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   3 2011-04-27 00:02:14 <lulzplzkthx> ?
   4 2011-04-27 00:03:39 <ArtForzZz> liberty reserve
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   8 2011-04-27 00:08:27 <molecular> anyone try that phonix miner? http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6458.0. gives low hashrate here (about 1/3 to 1/2 of m0mchill's)
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  10 2011-04-27 00:08:59 <Diablo-D3> doesnt surprise me
  11 2011-04-27 00:09:06 <Diablo-D3> its hard to make a miner that performs well
  12 2011-04-27 00:10:14 <molecular> well, someone's reporting 730 mhps on a 5970 clocked at 850. I only get 640 on mine clocked even higher at 890.
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  14 2011-04-27 00:10:38 <ArtForzZz> 730 at 850 sounds somewhat unbelievable
  15 2011-04-27 00:10:51 <molecular> that's why I'm trying to reproduce
  16 2011-04-27 00:10:58 <ArtForzZz> at 950, maybe
  17 2011-04-27 00:11:03 <gjs278> at 850 on a 5970 I report 320 or something retarded like that
  18 2011-04-27 00:11:03 <molecular> it claims to use "BFI_INT", whatever that is?
  19 2011-04-27 00:11:05 <gjs278> er
  20 2011-04-27 00:11:07 <gjs278> 5870
  21 2011-04-27 00:11:15 <gjs278> 850 on a 5870 is 320 for me
  22 2011-04-27 00:11:27 <sipa> it does report 365 for one core of a 5970 here
  23 2011-04-27 00:11:29 <Diablo-D3> molecular: an instruction that gives you 5% more speed over mine
  24 2011-04-27 00:11:37 <ArtForzZz> shrug, weird
  25 2011-04-27 00:11:38 <sipa> clocked 845
  26 2011-04-27 00:11:45 <Diablo-D3> I bet its measuring speed wrong
  27 2011-04-27 00:11:59 <Diablo-D3> its extremely difficult to do well
  28 2011-04-27 00:12:00 <ArtForzZz> either they found a major shortcut or they're counting wrong somewhere
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  30 2011-04-27 00:12:21 <sipa> they use ArtForzZz' kernel + BFI_INT patching
  31 2011-04-27 00:12:29 <ArtForzZz> still not possible
  32 2011-04-27 00:12:39 <Diablo-D3> it cant be significantly faster than mine
  33 2011-04-27 00:12:42 <ArtForzZz> and they don't fully exploit BFI_INT either
  34 2011-04-27 00:12:42 <Diablo-D3> even with BFI_INT patching
  35 2011-04-27 00:12:52 <sipa> it sounds hard to believe
  36 2011-04-27 00:13:03 <ArtForzZz> so 730 at 850 would be ... faster than physically possible
  37 2011-04-27 00:13:06 <Diablo-D3> BFI_INT only gives you like 2-3% more speed
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  41 2011-04-27 00:14:06 <ArtForzZz> theoretical max with 100% VLIW packing and BFI_INT is about 618 for a stock 5970
  42 2011-04-27 00:14:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3: :-E
  43 2011-04-27 00:14:28 <molecular> stock is 750Mhz, right?
  44 2011-04-27 00:14:32 <ArtForzZz> 725
  45 2011-04-27 00:14:33 <ArtForzZz> they don't use BFI_INT in all possible places
  46 2011-04-27 00:14:42 <Diablo-D3> 618? shit dude
  47 2011-04-27 00:14:42 <xelister> Diablo-D3: 100% crashes when using OpenCL on CPU (installed 2.4 sdk)
  48 2011-04-27 00:14:56 <xelister> Diablo-D3: one 1 computer. works on another. ideas? winshit os
  49 2011-04-27 00:14:58 <Diablo-D3> xelister: Ive told you about 4 times now, you need at least 11.1
  50 2011-04-27 00:15:04 <xelister> hm?
  51 2011-04-27 00:15:07 <molecular> 618.0/725*850 = 724
  52 2011-04-27 00:15:14 <ArtForzZz> yep
  53 2011-04-27 00:15:16 <ArtForzZz> so 730 at 850 is about 1% faster than *theoretically possible*
  54 2011-04-27 00:15:17 <Diablo-D3> btw, only 618? thats LOW
  55 2011-04-27 00:15:28 <Diablo-D3> my miner gets like 590+ on stock 5970
  56 2011-04-27 00:15:38 <xelister> Diablo-D3: 530
  57 2011-04-27 00:15:49 <Diablo-D3> xelister: other people have quoted me numbers that big
  58 2011-04-27 00:15:50 <xelister> Diablo miner does 535+-5 on 5970@725
  59 2011-04-27 00:16:11 <ArtForzZz> people seem to like to exaggerate shit FNAR
  60 2011-04-27 00:16:15 <xelister> linux sdk 2.1; I should try 2.4 perhaps.  605 @800
  61 2011-04-27 00:16:18 <Diablo-D3> xelister: also, if you're on windows, uninstall both the sdk and catalyst, and install 11.4 and NO SDK
  62 2011-04-27 00:16:34 <sipa> well, i'll let it run on pool, and see how many valid shares are counted
  63 2011-04-27 00:16:37 <xelister> Diablo-D3: that computer does not have radeon card at all. Should it install catalyst??
  64 2011-04-27 00:16:45 <xelister> Diablo-D3: CPU mining on OpenCL
  65 2011-04-27 00:16:49 <xelister> it's for testing
  66 2011-04-27 00:17:09 <Diablo-D3> xelister: er... my miner doesnt support CPU mining
  67 2011-04-27 00:17:20 <xelister> sure it does
  68 2011-04-27 00:17:23 <Diablo-D3> and Ive never tested cpu mining on 2.4
  69 2011-04-27 00:17:25 <xelister> when I forked it =)
  70 2011-04-27 00:17:45 <xelister> its just other flag to _ACCELERATOR when selecting platforms of course.
  71 2011-04-27 00:18:01 <Diablo-D3> anyhow, what sort of crashes?
  72 2011-04-27 00:18:13 <Diablo-D3> if its in ati*.dll, its a driver bug
  73 2011-04-27 00:18:13 <xelister> j  org.lwjgl.opencl.CLCapabilities.()V+10   <-- v  ~StubRoutines::call_stub <-- V  [jvm.dll+0xf3abc] ..... <- V [jvm.dll+0xf1193] <-- j org.lwjgl.opencl.CL.create()V+272
  74 2011-04-27 00:18:36 <Diablo-D3> xelister: amd bitshit isnt supported on CPU
  75 2011-04-27 00:18:39 <gjs278> at 925 whats the theoretical max on a 5870
  76 2011-04-27 00:18:45 <xelister> wait, one more
  77 2011-04-27 00:18:46 <Diablo-D3> you'll have to hack the detection line to force it off
  78 2011-04-27 00:18:48 <xelister> C  [OpenCL.dll+0x2290]   <---- j  org.lwjgl.opencl.CLCapabilities.()V+10   <-- v  ~StubRoutines::call_stub <-- V  [jvm.dll+0xf3abc] ..... <- V [jvm.dll+0xf1193] <-- j org.lwjgl.opencl.CL.create()V+272
  79 2011-04-27 00:18:54 <Diablo-D3> see above.
  80 2011-04-27 00:19:04 <molecular> ok, according to it's own hashmeter phoenix does 295 mhps @725Mhz
  81 2011-04-27 00:19:16 <Kiba> anybody willing to sell me some testcoins?
  82 2011-04-27 00:19:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3: which detection line? what line @ git of your code, or what to search for?
  83 2011-04-27 00:19:32 <xelister> Kiba: yes, for realcoins?
  84 2011-04-27 00:19:36 <Diablo-D3> molecular: pheonix outputs when it solves a pool share, right?
  85 2011-04-27 00:19:44 <xelister> say 1000 testBTC?
  86 2011-04-27 00:19:56 <Kiba> xelister: willing to buy 100 testcoins for 1 BTC
  87 2011-04-27 00:19:56 <molecular> no, every second
  88 2011-04-27 00:20:04 <molecular> it updates the hashmeter
  89 2011-04-27 00:20:06 <Diablo-D3> no I mean
  90 2011-04-27 00:20:09 <Diablo-D3> when it solves a share
  91 2011-04-27 00:20:10 <xelister> Kiba: ok
  92 2011-04-27 00:20:10 <Diablo-D3> it outputs, right?
  93 2011-04-27 00:20:13 <molecular> yes
  94 2011-04-27 00:20:21 <Diablo-D3> how fast is it saying?
  95 2011-04-27 00:20:42 <Diablo-D3> 618?
  96 2011-04-27 00:20:45 <molecular> 349 x 2 (@850Mhz)
  97 2011-04-27 00:20:52 * xelister realizes his question about which line was stupid as fuck, we have backtrace >_> nm
  98 2011-04-27 00:21:03 <ArtForzZz> that sounds at least plausible
  99 2011-04-27 00:21:18 <Diablo-D3> molecular: it should take you approximately 242 minutes to solve 50 shares at that speed
 100 2011-04-27 00:21:21 <molecular> faster than the m0mchill I use
 101 2011-04-27 00:21:33 <xelister> Kiba: test address?
 102 2011-04-27 00:21:36 <molecular> Diablo-D3, you want me to time shares?
 103 2011-04-27 00:21:45 <molecular> Diablo-D3, to doublecheck the hashmeter?
 104 2011-04-27 00:21:55 <Diablo-D3> wait I did my math wrong
 105 2011-04-27 00:22:10 <Kiba> xelister: wait
 106 2011-04-27 00:22:25 <Diablo-D3> it takes 45 minutes to do 50 shares at 75 mhash, so it should take 4.8 minutes
 107 2011-04-27 00:22:40 <xelister> Kiba: actually, I will send you all my testBTC and then you will send me back the mount minus 100 you keep for yourself ok?  Im testing something. PM me with testnetAddr
 108 2011-04-27 00:22:48 <xelister> *amount
 109 2011-04-27 00:23:23 <Kiba> it seems that there is something wrong with my bitcoin daemon
 110 2011-04-27 00:23:30 <xelister> which files to copy from old node to new freshly installed node ~/.bitcoin to not re-download initiall chain?
 111 2011-04-27 00:23:41 <Diablo-D3> xelister: search for amd bitalign, its not hard dude
 112 2011-04-27 00:23:53 <Diablo-D3> xelister: Im not going to babysit you, learn how to code
 113 2011-04-27 00:24:03 <xelister> Diablo-D3: Im improving your miner >_>
 114 2011-04-27 00:24:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you cant.
 115 2011-04-27 00:24:17 <xelister> not that it is hard though <_<
 116 2011-04-27 00:24:40 <xelister> there are like 10+ things with your miner that can be improved
 117 2011-04-27 00:24:47 <gjs278> >>----------->          \(0_o)/!!!!!!!!!
 118 2011-04-27 00:25:05 <Diablo-D3> xelister: will any of them increase hash speed?
 119 2011-04-27 00:25:07 <xelister> but it is rather o.k. base code :)
 120 2011-04-27 00:25:14 <sethsethseth> yay so fun to find 2 blocks within a couple hours of each other when the price is this high
 121 2011-04-27 00:25:22 <[Tycho]> Bitcoin flooder is back again :)
 122 2011-04-27 00:25:57 <xelister> Diablo-D3: some are making it easier to incraese optimal performance, yes.  But not improving the main algorithm nor CL at least now
 123 2011-04-27 00:26:04 <xelister> s/increase/reach
 124 2011-04-27 00:26:10 <sethsethseth> now if i could just get someone to write the code to play the jackpot sound when i generate....
 125 2011-04-27 00:26:17 <gjs278> what's bitcoin flooder
 126 2011-04-27 00:26:47 <gjs278> oh
 127 2011-04-27 00:26:50 <gjs278> damn
 128 2011-04-27 00:26:54 <gjs278> 1.77
 129 2011-04-27 00:27:03 <gjs278> my leftovers need to be sent away I think
 130 2011-04-27 00:27:10 <sipa> molecular: i'm using VECTORS BFI_INT AGGRESSION=12 WORKSIZE=64
 131 2011-04-27 00:27:20 <sipa> what speed do you get with that?
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 133 2011-04-27 00:27:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: oh, hey, you dickhead
 134 2011-04-27 00:28:04 <Diablo-D3> I finally offloaded all those 0.01 tx
 135 2011-04-27 00:28:25 <Diablo-D3> to move ~670 btc, I had almost 4btc in fees.
 136 2011-04-27 00:28:44 <[Tycho]> I tried this phoenix miner and result were bad.
 137 2011-04-27 00:28:46 <gjs278> I had to pay .04 for 100 coins
 138 2011-04-27 00:29:16 <gjs278> is 391 mhash on a 5870 a glitch in the reporting
 139 2011-04-27 00:29:20 <gjs278> or could I actually get that
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 143 2011-04-27 00:32:48 <molecular> sipa: at what clock?
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 145 2011-04-27 00:33:03 <sipa> molecular: 845, but it crashed :)
 146 2011-04-27 00:33:28 <sipa> going to try stock clock speed now and see what happens
 147 2011-04-27 00:33:54 <molecular> HOLY FUCK 375 x 2 at 870Mhz
 148 2011-04-27 00:34:07 <molecular> to be determined if hashmeter is correct
 149 2011-04-27 00:34:14 <Diablo-D3> I doubt it is.
 150 2011-04-27 00:34:28 <molecular> btw: it crashed on me before on 890 while m0mchill never does
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 152 2011-04-27 00:34:48 <molecular> I'm going to let it run for a while and count shares
 153 2011-04-27 00:34:53 <Diablo-D3> doesnt surprise me
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 158 2011-04-27 00:35:35 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 375 1
 159 2011-04-27 00:35:36 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 375 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 53 seconds
 160 2011-04-27 00:35:39 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 375000 1
 161 2011-04-27 00:35:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 375000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 11 seconds
 162 2011-04-27 00:36:20 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calcd 375000 50
 163 2011-04-27 00:36:20 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 375000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50, is 9 minutes and 32 seconds
 164 2011-04-27 00:36:32 <Diablo-D3> thats about what I calculated it to, then
 165 2011-04-27 00:40:09 <netxshare> I went from 600mh/s to 660mh/s with that one
 166 2011-04-27 00:40:13 <luke-jr> hrm
 167 2011-04-27 00:40:25 <luke-jr> so I made JSON-RPC connections run in a new thread, but it doesn't work with SSL :P
 168 2011-04-27 00:40:31 <luke-jr> and timed out connections don't close
 169 2011-04-27 00:40:51 <phantomcircuit> THEY SEE ME ROLLIN
 170 2011-04-27 00:40:52 <rouault> Average time? What is the smallest and greatest possible time?
 171 2011-04-27 00:41:00 <phantomcircuit> i just realized what the song means
 172 2011-04-27 00:41:07 <gjs278> what doy ou mean
 173 2011-04-27 00:41:09 <gjs278> what does it mean
 174 2011-04-27 00:41:13 <gjs278> rolling drugs
 175 2011-04-27 00:41:22 <luke-jr> rouault: smallest is first try; greatest is infinite
 176 2011-04-27 00:41:23 <phantomcircuit> talking about taking ecstasy
 177 2011-04-27 00:41:34 <gjs278> what about his music being so loud
 178 2011-04-27 00:42:24 <gjs278> besides, it's not illegal to be high, only to have drugs, so he can't really get caught "riding dirty" if he only took the drugs
 179 2011-04-27 00:43:00 <lulzplzkthx> heh... blood tests, piss tests, etc.
 180 2011-04-27 00:43:06 <lulzplzkthx> and destroying evidence == eating it
 181 2011-04-27 00:43:30 gdoteof_home has joined
 182 2011-04-27 00:44:41 <gdoteof_home> regarding the bitcoin json/rpc server.  When the wiki says you must use basic auth.. does that mean i have to implement basic auth outside the server, or am I missing how to set the user/pass
 183 2011-04-27 00:45:07 <gjs278> "implementing basic auth" is as sample as sending user:pass@domain
 184 2011-04-27 00:45:07 <lulzplzkthx> --rpcuser --rpcpass
 185 2011-04-27 00:45:10 <gjs278> any http library can doit
 186 2011-04-27 00:45:34 <lulzplzkthx> or those params in .bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
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 191 2011-04-27 00:47:46 <rouault> How could the time required be infinite? The system is based on giving a cloud of computers a breakable key, and letting them cooperatively and sequentially break it right?
 192 2011-04-27 00:48:28 <molecular> sipa, ArtForzZz: 1mhash = 2^20 hashes, right?
 193 2011-04-27 00:48:38 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, riding dirty is a reference to driving with a warrant
 194 2011-04-27 00:48:46 <gjs278> yeah
 195 2011-04-27 00:48:47 <gjs278> I know
 196 2011-04-27 00:48:53 <gjs278> where does the ectasy part come in though
 197 2011-04-27 00:48:57 <ArtForzZz> no
 198 2011-04-27 00:49:00 <ArtForzZz> 10**6
 199 2011-04-27 00:49:00 <gjs278> or with drugs
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 201 2011-04-27 00:49:18 <[Tycho]> rouault, it's not guaranted to be breakable :)
 202 2011-04-27 00:49:21 <gdoteof_home> lulzplzkthx: the bitcoin.conf doesn't exist by default it looks like?
 203 2011-04-27 00:49:22 <phantomcircuit> rolling is a common term for taking ecstacy
 204 2011-04-27 00:49:26 <phantomcircuit> neat
 205 2011-04-27 00:49:28 <gjs278> of course
 206 2011-04-27 00:49:36 <luke-jr> molecular: you're asking for Tonal :P
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 208 2011-04-27 00:49:46 <molecular> just measured 64 shares in 731 seconds. If I use 10*6 for "m", that's indeed 376 mhps, so phonix's hashmeter seems correct
 209 2011-04-27 00:50:21 <luke-jr> 10^6, not 10*6
 210 2011-04-27 00:50:25 <molecular> yes
 211 2011-04-27 00:50:29 <ArtForzZz> 64 shares is about as useful a sample size as 1
 212 2011-04-27 00:50:52 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 376000 64
 213 2011-04-27 00:50:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 376000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 64, is 12 minutes and 11 seconds
 214 2011-04-27 00:51:35 <sipa> molecular: your standard deviation on average time per block is 1.5 minute
 215 2011-04-27 00:51:42 <molecular> ;;bc,calcd 376000 1
 216 2011-04-27 00:51:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 376000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 11 seconds
 217 2011-04-27 00:51:49 <sipa> so indeed, that's not yet statistically meaningful
 218 2011-04-27 00:51:54 <molecular> I'll wait
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 220 2011-04-27 00:52:03 <molecular> at what sample-size should I post my info?
 221 2011-04-27 00:52:24 <gjs278> over 9000
 222 2011-04-27 00:52:27 <sethsethseth> ordering parts for mining rig, can someone see if im forgetting a component?  mobo, processor, ram, power supply, case, hard drive, video cards ....
 223 2011-04-27 00:52:38 <ArtForzZz> fans
 224 2011-04-27 00:52:46 <molecular> lol, was going to say that
 225 2011-04-27 00:52:49 <sethsethseth> k
 226 2011-04-27 00:52:50 <sipa> i'm doing 313.9 Mhash/s at clock 5970
 227 2011-04-27 00:52:56 <gjs278> you'll need a cd drive to install the os
 228 2011-04-27 00:52:58 <sipa> per core
 229 2011-04-27 00:52:59 <gjs278> just external one
 230 2011-04-27 00:53:01 <molecular> also: extra-box to put it in if you'll use in your room(s)
 231 2011-04-27 00:53:06 <sethsethseth> oh ya
 232 2011-04-27 00:53:09 <molecular> gjs278, cd-drive? what's that?
 233 2011-04-27 00:53:11 <sethsethseth> can i use a flash drive?
 234 2011-04-27 00:53:17 <molecular> sethsethseth, sure
 235 2011-04-27 00:53:17 * luke-jr wonders how he installed his OS
 236 2011-04-27 00:53:19 <gjs278> a way of getting isos onto a computer
 237 2011-04-27 00:53:20 <sethsethseth> screw cd drives i dont want another one
 238 2011-04-27 00:53:21 <ArtForzZz> we'll see, I just don't quite trust those numbers
 239 2011-04-27 00:53:31 <molecular> me neither
 240 2011-04-27 00:53:43 <luke-jr> I have no CD drives :x
 241 2011-04-27 00:53:48 <ArtForzZz> seems a bit weird to get > 100% efficiency using a opencl miner and not even using bfi_int in all possible places
 242 2011-04-27 00:53:50 <luke-jr> I know I didn't mess with USB install either
 243 2011-04-27 00:54:03 <gjs278> how
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 245 2011-04-27 00:54:07 <gjs278> what else is there
 246 2011-04-27 00:54:12 <sipa> molecular: are you using vectors too?
 247 2011-04-27 00:54:12 <luke-jr> I can't remember
 248 2011-04-27 00:54:21 <luke-jr> I *might* have booted my old HD to CLI
 249 2011-04-27 00:54:22 <molecular> zur beruhigung, ArtForzZz: now 100 shares in 1206 seconds -> 356 mhps
 250 2011-04-27 00:54:23 <gjs278> install on an hd, take it over
 251 2011-04-27 00:54:30 <luke-jr> but it was all compiled for only Athlon64
 252 2011-04-27 00:54:33 <molecular> sipa, yes, your settings
 253 2011-04-27 00:54:36 <luke-jr> so not sure that would have worked on Intel
 254 2011-04-27 00:54:42 <gjs278> yeah it would fail
 255 2011-04-27 00:54:51 <molecular> sipa: what are you getting?
 256 2011-04-27 00:54:55 <luke-jr> oh well, I have an install now at least
 257 2011-04-27 00:54:56 <luke-jr> XD
 258 2011-04-27 00:55:04 <sipa> BFI_INT AGGRESSION=12 WORKSIZE=64 VECTORS
 259 2011-04-27 00:55:06 <ArtForzZz> molecular: yeah, to get a good estimate of hashrate, you generally need a lot of diff=1 shares
 260 2011-04-27 00:55:19 <luke-jr> in the meantime, I seem to have managed to make my bitcoind crash every few minutes :x
 261 2011-04-27 00:55:30 <molecular> I personally will quite trust the data of sample size 1000
 262 2011-04-27 00:55:32 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6599.0 any help?
 263 2011-04-27 00:55:37 <sipa> molecular: let me calc a bit
 264 2011-04-27 00:56:04 <molecular> sipa, yes: AGGRESSION=12 VECTORS BFI_INT WORKSIZE=64
 265 2011-04-27 00:56:24 <sipa> so, what is the reported speed?
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 267 2011-04-27 00:56:34 <sipa> actually, no, nvm
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 269 2011-04-27 00:57:37 <ArtForzZz> btw, 1000 sample size still seems way low
 270 2011-04-27 00:57:45 <sipa> if you have a sample of N values, totalling S seconds, the average time per share is N/S with stddev sqrt(N)/S
 271 2011-04-27 00:58:06 <ArtForzZz> one of my cards is showing up as 1% faster than it should be based on diff=1 shares
 272 2011-04-27 00:58:24 <ArtForzZz> over 40000 shares
 273 2011-04-27 00:58:25 <sipa> or relative stddev of 1/sqrt(N)
 274 2011-04-27 00:58:31 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you're welcomed =)
 275 2011-04-27 00:58:47 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I changed to new wallet since bitcoind was slowing down it seems, lol
 276 2011-04-27 00:58:49 <TheKid> ArtForzZz: would you be willing to sell some of your asics?
 277 2011-04-27 00:58:57 <molecular> sipa: it reports 375 mhps @870 Mhz
 278 2011-04-27 00:58:58 <sipa> if you want 3 decimals of precision, you'd need one million shares
 279 2011-04-27 00:59:06 <ArtForzZz> yeah
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 281 2011-04-27 01:00:02 <sipa> poisson processes are very long-tailed, causing a slow convergence
 282 2011-04-27 01:00:39 <ArtForzZz> yup
 283 2011-04-27 01:00:58 <sipa> bah, it crashed again
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 285 2011-04-27 01:02:33 <sipa> oh wait, it didn't
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 288 2011-04-27 01:04:26 <sethsethseth> art how long do you estimate until hardware is built that rapes video card hashing?
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 290 2011-04-27 01:05:06 <gdoteof_home> I am running bitcoin on a remote headless server.. I am just doing ./bitcoin --help and it is erroring because of no GTK
 291 2011-04-27 01:05:13 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr threaded_rpc * r355e162fba35 bitcoind-personal/rpc.cpp: Put JSON-RPC connections into their own threads, so they can run in parallel; UNSTABLE http://tinyurl.com/6jzlack
 292 2011-04-27 01:05:21 <ArtForzZz> not too long I suspect
 293 2011-04-27 01:05:27 <gdoteof_home> i sthere anyway i can do commands against it on teh command line, or is that just a bug
 294 2011-04-27 01:05:34 <luke-jr> ^^ need advice
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 296 2011-04-27 01:06:42 <sipa> gdoteof_home: use bitcoind
 297 2011-04-27 01:07:15 <gdoteof_home> sipa: oh.  that makes sense.  just annoying cus i want to look up the name of the commands
 298 2011-04-27 01:07:26 <gdoteof_home> if you do ./bitcoind --help it just has all the server specific stuff
 299 2011-04-27 01:07:36 <doublec> gdoteof_home: use ./bitcoind help
 300 2011-04-27 01:07:37 <gjs278> bitcoind help with no dashes
 301 2011-04-27 01:07:39 <gjs278> yeah
 302 2011-04-27 01:07:51 * gdoteof_home facepalm
 303 2011-04-27 01:07:52 <doublec> gdoteof_home: that queries a running bitcoin for the commands it supports
 304 2011-04-27 01:08:03 <gdoteof_home> thanks
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 306 2011-04-27 01:09:24 <molecular> 167 shares in 2074 seconds... avg=12.42, stddev=0.08. so 60% chance that 321 < real hashrate < 375, right?
 307 2011-04-27 01:10:01 <sipa> no, it's not a normal distribution
 308 2011-04-27 01:10:07 <sipa> but with 167 it will be close
 309 2011-04-27 01:12:21 <sipa> what clock, molecular?
 310 2011-04-27 01:12:41 <molecular> 870Mhz
 311 2011-04-27 01:14:09 <molecular> the phoenix hashmeter might be biased a little to the high side as it looks
 312 2011-04-27 01:14:33 <sipa> do you have rejected blocks?
 313 2011-04-27 01:14:43 <molecular> yes, 2, I counted them, though
 314 2011-04-27 01:14:51 <sipa> ok
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 316 2011-04-27 01:19:49 <sipa> ArtForzZz: theoretical maximum at clock speed for one 5970 core is 309 Mhash/s, right?
 317 2011-04-27 01:20:01 <sipa> *stock
 318 2011-04-27 01:20:16 <ArtForzZz> 312 or so
 319 2011-04-27 01:20:49 <ArtForzZz> +- a bit depending on how many registers you are tying up
 320 2011-04-27 01:20:51 <sipa> ok, i get 314 now...
 321 2011-04-27 01:20:53 <gjs278> wh'at sthe max for 5870
 322 2011-04-27 01:23:39 <gdoteof_home> can i spy on the bitcoind getting connections?  i am sitting at 1 connection for a while and my block count is stuck at 60k or so
 323 2011-04-27 01:24:06 <molecular> sipa: 314 at stock clock?
 324 2011-04-27 01:25:44 <xelister> gdoteof_home:  bitcoind getinfo
 325 2011-04-27 01:25:44 <molecular> sipa: how did you arrive at AGGRESSION=12?
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 329 2011-04-27 01:26:29 <gdoteof_home> xelister: ok.  nm it looks like it is working i guess.  i am surprised at how slowly its getting new blocks
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 335 2011-04-27 01:27:35 <sipa> molecular: that's the maximum value, as far as i understood
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 339 2011-04-27 01:30:50 <EPiSKiNG> is using the latest CCC drivers (11.3) ok?
 340 2011-04-27 01:30:51 <molecular> sipa, tried putting more, but that lowered the hashrate
 341 2011-04-27 01:30:57 <EPiSKiNG> with the OpenCL that is included with it?
 342 2011-04-27 01:31:06 <ntosme2> when solo mining with the stock bitcoind, is it normal not to see 'accepted' blocks? how does this differ from the pool servers?
 343 2011-04-27 01:31:33 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: depends how you define "normal"
 344 2011-04-27 01:31:43 <Diablo-D3> you'll see one once every week or more
 345 2011-04-27 01:31:59 <ntosme2> ok, that's what I assumed
 346 2011-04-27 01:32:52 <ntosme2> so 'accepted' indicates a block found worth 50 coins?
 347 2011-04-27 01:33:09 <sipa> yes
 348 2011-04-27 01:33:15 <sipa> actually, not necessarily even
 349 2011-04-27 01:33:29 <ntosme2> only if you find it first
 350 2011-04-27 01:33:32 <sipa> it means your client accepted it, and will broadcast it over the network
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 353 2011-04-27 01:33:42 <sipa> but indeed someone may still be faster
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 355 2011-04-27 01:34:33 <kika> Diablo-DR3: are you there?
 356 2011-04-27 01:34:36 <ntosme2> 16 days is quite a while to wait...shesh
 357 2011-04-27 01:34:44 <Diablo-D3> kika: =|
 358 2011-04-27 01:35:02 <Diablo-D3> irc clients have tab complete for a reason, you know
 359 2011-04-27 01:35:05 <kika> i dont know why rpcminer-opencl.exe works with my pool but diablominer doesnt, any ideas?
 360 2011-04-27 01:35:12 <kika> diablominer supports the http-json protocol?
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 362 2011-04-27 01:35:45 <kika> Diablo-D3: sorry
 363 2011-04-27 01:35:51 <kika> Diablo-D3: do you have idea why diablominer doesnt work with my pushpool pool?
 364 2011-04-27 01:36:10 <kika> Diablo-D3: rpcminer-opencl.exe works fine but diablominer doesnt
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 366 2011-04-27 01:36:17 <Diablo-D3> probably user error
 367 2011-04-27 01:36:29 <kika> Diablo-D3: so it should work?
 368 2011-04-27 01:36:37 <kika> Diablo-D3: it supports RPC JSON HTTP?
 369 2011-04-27 01:36:38 <Diablo-D3> if the pool software is written right? yes.
 370 2011-04-27 01:36:52 <Diablo-D3> kika: that http part is redundant
 371 2011-04-27 01:37:06 <Diablo-D3> json rpc is an application protocol that uses http as the transport
 372 2011-04-27 01:37:15 <kika> Diablo-D3: CPU  :: Ufasoft's SSE2 miner also doesnt work
 373 2011-04-27 01:37:26 <Diablo-D3> kika: what command line are you giving my miner
 374 2011-04-27 01:38:00 <kika> Diablo-D3: your miner basically tells me that it doesnt finds OpenCL because i dont have a graphics card but... i want to use your miner with the CPU is that possible?
 375 2011-04-27 01:38:43 <Diablo-D3> my miner doesnt support cpu mining.
 376 2011-04-27 01:39:32 <kika> Diablo-D3: ok thanks and do you know why ufasoft miner doesnt work and the rpcminer-cpu.exe works? it uses a different protocol the usafost one?
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 378 2011-04-27 01:40:04 <Diablo-D3> Dunno.
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 381 2011-04-27 01:40:58 <kika> Diablo-D3: is your miner the fastest one for ATI GPU's
 382 2011-04-27 01:40:59 <kika> ?
 383 2011-04-27 01:42:29 <Diablo-D3> yes.
 384 2011-04-27 01:42:48 <Diablo-D3> its also the fastest for nvidia gpus too, from what Ive heard
 385 2011-04-27 01:43:38 <kika> Diablo-D3: cool
 386 2011-04-27 01:44:54 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: do you have benchmarks to back that up? phoenix miner is blazing on my 5770s
 387 2011-04-27 01:45:14 <Diablo-D3> I dont believe phoenix is accounting correctly
 388 2011-04-27 01:45:19 <luke-jr> kika: don't believe a word Diablo-D3 says
 389 2011-04-27 01:45:39 <Diablo-D3> art already said its not using bfi_int right, so it cant be more than 1-2% faster than mine
 390 2011-04-27 01:45:43 <Diablo-D3> and its giving insane numbers
 391 2011-04-27 01:45:49 <B0g4r7> How does it compare to poclbm on ATI?
 392 2011-04-27 01:46:02 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: almost identical, poclbm is like 1-2% slower than mine
 393 2011-04-27 01:46:05 <ntosme2> interesting
 394 2011-04-27 01:46:17 <B0g4r7> Waht sort of percent gain would I like...ok, 1-2%
 395 2011-04-27 01:46:18 <B0g4r7> cool.
 396 2011-04-27 01:46:59 <B0g4r7> Does it play nicely with other processes?
 397 2011-04-27 01:47:05 <B0g4r7> I wanna run XBMC too and not have lag.
 398 2011-04-27 01:47:09 <luke-jr> it's Java, of course not
 399 2011-04-27 01:47:18 <gjs278> all your memory belong to java
 400 2011-04-27 01:47:22 <luke-jr> also, GPU mining doesn't play nicely with anything else anyway
 401 2011-04-27 01:47:33 <B0g4r7> poclbm does OK with -f 120.
 402 2011-04-27 01:47:45 <luke-jr> B0g4r7: sure, but -f 120 is basically CPU mining
 403 2011-04-27 01:47:53 <B0g4r7> Nah, it gets a decent rate.
 404 2011-04-27 01:48:02 <kika> Diablo-D3: where i need to download java from to use diablominer on win?
 405 2011-04-27 01:48:17 <B0g4r7> 247khps per 5970 gpu or so.
 406 2011-04-27 01:48:19 <[Tycho]> I would recommend poclbm miner if you don't believe in phoenix :)
 407 2011-04-27 01:48:24 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 314000 1
 408 2011-04-27 01:48:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 314000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 13 seconds
 409 2011-04-27 01:48:26 <luke-jr> B0g4r7: it's like 10% of -f 1 on my 5850
 410 2011-04-27 01:48:32 <[Tycho]> Poclbm is the most feature-rich and fast :)
 411 2011-04-27 01:48:42 <B0g4r7> say wat
 412 2011-04-27 01:49:05 <sipa> B0g4r7: it should be 1000 times more
 413 2011-04-27 01:49:06 <B0g4r7> -f 3 wasn't much different.  Maybe 6-8%
 414 2011-04-27 01:49:11 <kika> Diablo-D3: http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp right ¿?
 415 2011-04-27 01:49:13 <B0g4r7> oh
 416 2011-04-27 01:49:15 <B0g4r7> my bad
 417 2011-04-27 01:49:18 <B0g4r7> 247000mhps
 418 2011-04-27 01:49:40 <B0g4r7> er....no
 419 2011-04-27 01:49:41 <sipa> now it should be 1000 times less
 420 2011-04-27 01:49:47 <B0g4r7> I have thoroughly confused myself.
 421 2011-04-27 01:50:10 <B0g4r7> luke, your 5850 makes what hashrate again?
 422 2011-04-27 01:50:12 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes
 423 2011-04-27 01:50:30 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 1255000 10000
 424 2011-04-27 01:50:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1255000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 10000, is 9 hours, 30 minutes, and 22 seconds
 425 2011-04-27 01:50:39 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: both poclbm and mine support -f
 426 2011-04-27 01:50:42 <luke-jr> B0g4r7: 265000
 427 2011-04-27 01:50:46 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: give it like -f 1000 and it MIGHT be okay
 428 2011-04-27 01:50:53 <Diablo-D3> but lets face it, both are designed to be optimum
 429 2011-04-27 01:51:10 <Diablo-D3> playing nice isnt their thing
 430 2011-04-27 01:51:25 <luke-jr> B0g4r7: just setup your system to only run the miner when it's not being used
 431 2011-04-27 01:51:27 <B0g4r7> roit
 432 2011-04-27 01:51:44 <B0g4r7> poclbm actually works really well.  I can't tell it's running with -f 120
 433 2011-04-27 01:51:56 <B0g4r7> And it loses maybe another 10% of it's speed when XBMC runs.
 434 2011-04-27 01:51:58 <Diablo-D3> mines about the same at that
 435 2011-04-27 01:52:10 <Diablo-D3> well, yeah, its going to lose speed as it shapes around other gpu using shit
 436 2011-04-27 01:52:14 <B0g4r7> It takes a bunch of CPU too, but I have CPU power to spare.
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 439 2011-04-27 01:53:39 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: probably because you're on sdk 2.2 or 2.3. dont do that.
 440 2011-04-27 01:54:45 <kika> Diablo-D3:  how can on windows i add java.exe to the system path so that i dont have to go to the java folder to run java? do you have idea
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 445 2011-04-27 01:55:50 <Diablo-D3> kika: ask oracle.
 446 2011-04-27 01:55:56 <kika> ok
 447 2011-04-27 01:56:00 <kika> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/path.xml i think i found it
 448 2011-04-27 02:02:44 <B0g4r7> I dunno what SDK I have.  I never installed one.
 449 2011-04-27 02:02:54 <B0g4r7> I think the Catalyst package installed it for me.
 450 2011-04-27 02:03:40 <B0g4r7> So are you learning OpenCL programming pretty good, doing all that?
 451 2011-04-27 02:03:57 <B0g4r7> I tell ya, I just found a niche that's begging to be filled by an OpenCL solution.
 452 2011-04-27 02:04:20 <B0g4r7> That being a GPU-accelerated h.264 encoder that can plug into ffmpeg.
 453 2011-04-27 02:04:29 <B0g4r7> No such thing exists now.
 454 2011-04-27 02:10:05 <ntosme2> B0g4r7: please write one!
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 456 2011-04-27 02:10:54 <kika> why deepbit says GPU/CPU  :: DiabloMiner java miner
 457 2011-04-27 02:11:03 <B0g4r7> That'd be a cool project.
 458 2011-04-27 02:11:07 <kika> if diablominer doesnt supports cpu mining?
 459 2011-04-27 02:11:17 <B0g4r7> I don't have much of a clue how programming for opencl works.
 460 2011-04-27 02:12:56 <luke-jr> B0g4r7: um, my GPU can decode h.264 for VLC and mplayer at least
 461 2011-04-27 02:13:02 <luke-jr> oh, encode
 462 2011-04-27 02:13:05 <B0g4r7> yeah
 463 2011-04-27 02:13:09 <B0g4r7> Lots of things do decoding.
 464 2011-04-27 02:13:13 <luke-jr> probably too much patent BS
 465 2011-04-27 02:13:14 <sethsethseth> gpu encoding looks like shit
 466 2011-04-27 02:13:16 <B0g4r7> But almost nothing seems to address encoding.
 467 2011-04-27 02:13:22 <sethsethseth> they talk about it on handbrake forums
 468 2011-04-27 02:13:24 <luke-jr> B0g4r7: anyhow, no need for OpenCL :P
 469 2011-04-27 02:13:31 <luke-jr> that's a job for VA-API
 470 2011-04-27 02:14:25 <B0g4r7> hm...
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 473 2011-04-27 02:23:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rfeec925deed2 spesmilo/ (cashier.py settings.py):
 474 2011-04-27 02:23:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: abstract "disabled" style a bit, and only allow selecting Tonal number system if
 475 2011-04-27 02:23:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: a suitable font is installed also, if a language file is missing, disable it
 476 2011-04-27 02:23:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: rather than remove it altogether if a Tonal font is missing, also never choose
 477 2011-04-27 02:23:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: it for amount display under any circumstances http://tinyurl.com/63cqdxe
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 482 2011-04-27 02:32:03 <luke-jr> ugh, messed that up
 483 2011-04-27 02:32:45 <Androgynous> ?
 484 2011-04-27 02:33:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r21570f8ff7e7 spesmilo/ (cashier.py settings.py):
 485 2011-04-27 02:33:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: abstract "disabled" style a bit, and only allow selecting Tonal number system if
 486 2011-04-27 02:33:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: a suitable font is installed also, if a language file is missing, disable it
 487 2011-04-27 02:33:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: rather than remove it altogether if a Tonal font is missing, also never choose
 488 2011-04-27 02:33:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: it for amount display under any circumstances http://tinyurl.com/3okk76q
 489 2011-04-27 02:33:28 <luke-jr> that commit
 490 2011-04-27 02:33:32 <luke-jr> ^
 491 2011-04-27 02:33:32 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r19d6513de1d4 spesmilo/main.py: Only add fallback font, if default is certainly missing Tonal http://tinyurl.com/3kb4nev
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 502 2011-04-27 02:50:36 <kika> does anyone know why blkmond gives me an exception that says... "bad checksum" and closes?
 503 2011-04-27 02:52:00 <robblesz> kika: are you the one on github that messaged Benares about that?
 504 2011-04-27 02:52:33 <kika> yes
 505 2011-04-27 02:53:00 <robblesz> oh, that's me. jgarzik hangs out here sometimes. You should want for him to join
 506 2011-04-27 02:53:10 <robblesz> *wiat
 507 2011-04-27 02:53:13 <robblesz> **wait
 508 2011-04-27 02:55:11 <kika> robblesz: so why you say i need to use the jgarzik repo instead of yours?
 509 2011-04-27 02:55:13 <kika> robblesz: your repo seems to have more fixes?
 510 2011-04-27 02:55:50 <kika> robblesz: right now its logging shares to a shares.log is there a way i can enable it to log shares to the MySQL shares table ?
 511 2011-04-27 02:56:26 <robblesz> my repo was just created so I could submit 1 or 2 fixes, jgarzik's is the one to use
 512 2011-04-27 02:57:18 <kika> robblesz: but the jgarzik one doesnt have your fixes...
 513 2011-04-27 02:57:26 <kika> robbleesz: can i turn something on to loggin to mysql table instead of shares.log ?
 514 2011-04-27 02:57:57 <kika> robblesz: im going to contribute to the pushpool project too
 515 2011-04-27 02:58:15 <robblesz> kika: yeah, the sharelog mysql functionality works. see https://github.com/jgarzik/pushpool/commit/806a39197f83cc0668b70f30fe6977f9446b8d56
 516 2011-04-27 02:59:06 <robblesz> set sharelog to true in the config file
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 518 2011-04-27 02:59:26 <kika> server.cfg ?
 519 2011-04-27 03:00:19 <kika> "sharelog" : true ?
 520 2011-04-27 03:00:19 <kika> on server.cfg?
 521 2011-04-27 03:00:41 <robblesz> whatever pushpoold config file you're using. example-cfg.json or whatever
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 523 2011-04-27 03:02:21 <kika> i think it needs to go inside the "database" section, right?
 524 2011-04-27 03:03:00 <robblesz> I can't quite remember. My server is inaccessible at the moment
 525 2011-04-27 03:03:18 <robblesz> but yeah, database section most likely
 526 2011-04-27 03:03:31 <kika> ok
 527 2011-04-27 03:03:31 <kika> thxs
 528 2011-04-27 03:05:55 <kika> robblesz: do you have idea why the ufasoft SSE miner doesnt work with my pushpool server?
 529 2011-04-27 03:06:21 <xelister> Installation complete.
 530 2011-04-27 03:06:30 <xelister> Ati:  For further configuration of the driver, please run aticonfig from a terminal window or AMD CCC:LE from the Desktop Manager Menu.
 531 2011-04-27 03:06:34 <kika> robblesz: the rpcminer-cpu.exe miner client works with my pushpool server and the minerd miner client too
 532 2011-04-27 03:06:38 <xelister> System must be rebooted to avoid system instability and potential data loss.
 533 2011-04-27 03:06:51 <xelister> ^----- bitch, please.  :-D  :iDontGiveAFuck-Face:
 534 2011-04-27 03:07:24 <xelister> System must be rebooted with NVIDIA hardware instead - to avoid system instability and potential data loss.   :trollface:  :>
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 536 2011-04-27 03:09:20 <robblesz> kika: I've only tried poclbm
 537 2011-04-27 03:09:28 <robblesz> That worked fine for me
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 539 2011-04-27 03:09:44 <robblesz> but definitely report all of this to jgarzik
 540 2011-04-27 03:10:42 <kika> robbersz: poclbm works with CPU?
 541 2011-04-27 03:10:54 <kika> ill download poclbm now
 542 2011-04-27 03:11:21 <robblesz> I was testing poclbm-gui, never tried any CPU miners
 543 2011-04-27 03:11:34 <robblesz> yet
 544 2011-04-27 03:12:27 <xelister> sdk2.4 works for you people?
 545 2011-04-27 03:12:32 <kika> robblesz: okay i dont have a gpu, so ill just test with minerd ( it works ) or rpcminer-4way rpcminer-cpu ( it works )
 546 2011-04-27 03:13:01 Xunie has joined
 547 2011-04-27 03:13:07 <xelister> sdk2.4 works for you people? on linux.
 548 2011-04-27 03:14:20 <xelister> Blarrrghghghghghghghg
 549 2011-04-27 03:14:31 <xelister> fucking sdk2.4 doesnt work
 550 2011-04-27 03:14:39 <xelister> fucking shit
 551 2011-04-27 03:15:45 <xelister> #%^&*(
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 553 2011-04-27 03:16:49 <kika> robblesz: do you have idea why pushpoold listens on 3 ports? 8337 ? 8336? 8338 ?
 554 2011-04-27 03:17:07 <kika> robblesz: i only use 8337 with rpc miners, what are the others supposed to be used for?
 555 2011-04-27 03:17:28 Transformer has left ()
 556 2011-04-27 03:18:18 <kika> jgarzik is on vacation
 557 2011-04-27 03:19:45 <robblesz> the answer to your question is in the "listen" section of the json config file
 558 2011-04-27 03:20:54 <kika> robblesz: i already saw it, however i dont know what each port is used for, i know the 8338 port is the binary proto the 8337 is the http json proto and the 8336 i dont know what its used for
 559 2011-04-27 03:21:24 <kika> robblesz: do you have idea why its oppening port 8336 or port 8338 and what its using them for?
 560 2011-04-27 03:22:35 <robblesz> answer here: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3493.0
 561 2011-04-27 03:22:55 kermit has joined
 562 2011-04-27 03:23:06 <kika> robblesz: i already readed the thread about the binary proto
 563 2011-04-27 03:23:13 witten has joined
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 565 2011-04-27 03:25:09 <gdoteof_home> is there a command like listaccounts that shows both the label and the address?
 566 2011-04-27 03:25:19 <gdoteof_home> but for everythingin your wallet
 567 2011-04-27 03:26:24 <kika> robblesz: do you know why pushpool listens on port 8336 or what its used for?
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 569 2011-04-27 03:27:10 <netxshare> someone removed all the drug sites from the wiki
 570 2011-04-27 03:27:18 <netxshare> when did that happen?
 571 2011-04-27 03:27:28 <manveru> that's what wiki history is for
 572 2011-04-27 03:27:47 <gdoteof_home> netxshare: i am glad.  it's about time.. that shouldn't be on the official wiki
 573 2011-04-27 03:27:58 <netxshare> nope
 574 2011-04-27 03:28:06 <netxshare> just was shocked to see it vanish
 575 2011-04-27 03:28:11 <netxshare> but in that sense
 576 2011-04-27 03:28:15 <netxshare> you should not have gambling either
 577 2011-04-27 03:28:24 <netxshare> both are an addiction that ruin lifes
 578 2011-04-27 03:28:24 <manveru> netxshare: https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Trade&oldid=7742
 579 2011-04-27 03:28:32 <manveru> that revision removed it
 580 2011-04-27 03:28:46 <netxshare> thanks
 581 2011-04-27 03:28:48 <Validus> the internet can ruin lives to. but its still there
 582 2011-04-27 03:28:48 <Validus> hehe
 583 2011-04-27 03:28:51 <manveru> april 27th 01:12, no idea which timezone
 584 2011-04-27 03:28:59 <Validus> and they were on there just earlier today
 585 2011-04-27 03:29:43 <manveru> well, i'd rather not have stuff that's illegal in just about any jurisdiction on the wiki too :)
 586 2011-04-27 03:29:50 <Validus> so i shouldnt be able to gamble as an adult or adverttise a site that allows it cuz you dont like it?
 587 2011-04-27 03:29:53 <manveru> bitcoin gets enough bad press already
 588 2011-04-27 03:30:10 <manveru> and alternative sites will cover that soon enough
 589 2011-04-27 03:30:20 <robblesz> kika: not sure, sniff the traffic with tcpdump
 590 2011-04-27 03:30:29 <netxshare> not on that one either
 591 2011-04-27 03:30:40 <kika> robblesz: do you know exactly which command i can use?
 592 2011-04-27 03:30:48 <Validus> to tell me im not allowed to gamble or advertise a site that is allowed to gamble is complete bullshit
 593 2011-04-27 03:30:53 <robblesz> nope, check the man page
 594 2011-04-27 03:30:55 <kika> robblesz: ill have to check the source code...
 595 2011-04-27 03:31:07 <noagendamarket> fucking control freaks
 596 2011-04-27 03:31:10 <Validus> i can see the point of illegal drugs. but i could care less your opinions of what ruins lives
 597 2011-04-27 03:31:19 <Validus> the internet ruins lives everyday. log off of it
 598 2011-04-27 03:31:20 <kika> robblesz: ill just check the pushpool src i think however i ask because i mostly lack time lately and its faster to get answers here than to review the code
 599 2011-04-27 03:31:24 <manveru> i don't care about runing lifes
 600 2011-04-27 03:31:35 <Validus> i wasnt directing it to you manveru heh
 601 2011-04-27 03:31:43 <manveru> ah, ok :)
 602 2011-04-27 03:31:45 <noagendamarket> censorship is retarded
 603 2011-04-27 03:31:49 <Validus> i just hate when ppl mix their personal feeling crapt in with stuff that is not related
 604 2011-04-27 03:31:55 <manveru> noagendamarket: it's a wiki
 605 2011-04-27 03:32:02 <manveru> what do you expect?
 606 2011-04-27 03:32:20 <manveru> everybody can edit, so some will change stuff in their favor
 607 2011-04-27 03:32:35 <noagendamarket> of course...its na arm wrestle
 608 2011-04-27 03:33:05 <manveru> you can revert it if you don't agree... and after a year of editing wars we might have a winner
 609 2011-04-27 03:33:18 <EPiSKiNG> managed to get 443MH/s out of my 5870 with the new phoenix
 610 2011-04-27 03:33:27 <Validus> ya wish there was a way to lock it
 611 2011-04-27 03:33:33 <noagendamarket> It doesnt ake any difference to me
 612 2011-04-27 03:33:34 <Validus> then you dont get ppl removing things cuz they dont "feel" it should be there
 613 2011-04-27 03:33:50 <manveru> but you don't get ppl adding things either
 614 2011-04-27 03:33:58 <netxshare> I wanted to see Mr. Brown's website
 615 2011-04-27 03:34:00 <bk128> wait, how are you getting over 400 from a 5870?
 616 2011-04-27 03:34:22 <manveru> netxshare: https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Trade&oldid=7737#Psychoactive_drugs
 617 2011-04-27 03:34:35 <noagendamarket> make an alternative wiki where anything goes and censors get banned
 618 2011-04-27 03:34:43 <noagendamarket> lol
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 620 2011-04-27 03:34:49 <Diablo-D3> [11:29:08] <EPiSKiNG> managed to get 443MH/s out of my 5870 with the new phoenix
 621 2011-04-27 03:34:58 <Diablo-D3> that just proves pheonix is broken
 622 2011-04-27 03:35:14 <netxshare> I got my 5970 to 660mh/s
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 624 2011-04-27 03:36:17 <netxshare> found the one I wanted
 625 2011-04-27 03:36:26 <netxshare> looks like the site is offline tho
 626 2011-04-27 03:36:39 <EPiSKiNG> Diablo-D3: how so?
 627 2011-04-27 03:37:05 <kika> Diablo-D3: diablo miners issues http rpc json requests ? or uses the binary protocol ?
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 629 2011-04-27 03:37:27 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, what is your GPU frequency ?
 630 2011-04-27 03:37:33 <kika> Diablo-D3: diablo miner just issues getwork rpc json requests?
 631 2011-04-27 03:37:52 <EPiSKiNG> Core 1000, mem 300
 632 2011-04-27 03:38:18 <[Tycho]> Are you mining in pool ?
 633 2011-04-27 03:38:31 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes, its just getwork.
 634 2011-04-27 03:38:35 <gjs278> I'm at 925 frequency and I claim to get 391
 635 2011-04-27 03:38:46 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG: pretty much everyone here thinks its doing accounting wrong
 636 2011-04-27 03:38:52 <EPiSKiNG> of course Tycho
 637 2011-04-27 03:38:55 <EPiSKiNG> yours
 638 2011-04-27 03:38:57 <netxshare> AaronM (Talk | contribs) (28,525 bytes) (→Material products: deleted "psychoactive drugs" section -- let's not promote this kind of use of BTC, okay?)
 639 2011-04-27 03:39:05 <EPiSKiNG> so it's not a valid miner??
 640 2011-04-27 03:39:07 <luke-jr> netxshare: ++
 641 2011-04-27 03:39:09 <gjs278> go vandalise his page
 642 2011-04-27 03:39:10 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, PM me your login please. I'll check the speed :)
 643 2011-04-27 03:39:16 <netxshare> lol
 644 2011-04-27 03:39:19 <EPiSKiNG> seems ok through deepbit
 645 2011-04-27 03:39:23 <netxshare> those sites are so sad
 646 2011-04-27 03:40:21 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG: basically, it doesnt use bfi_int to its fullest, so getting speeds significantly higher than mine is wrong.
 647 2011-04-27 03:40:29 <Diablo-D3> you cant pull performance out of nothing
 648 2011-04-27 03:40:35 <luke-jr> actually, I don't know if there's a moral problem with psychoactive drugs, and they ARE legal in some places (I presume), so I revoke that ++
 649 2011-04-27 03:40:46 <bk128> Diablo-D3: so it makes up the mhash/sec rate?
 650 2011-04-27 03:40:49 <kika> Diablo-D3: so the fastest card on this planet to compute hashes is an ati 6990 ? can i somehow build a cluster of gpus or something to mine faster? that would be the most cost effective way to get as many Mhash/s as i can ? which hardware?
 651 2011-04-27 03:41:02 <netxshare> lol
 652 2011-04-27 03:41:20 <netxshare> If someone can pay for their drugs they should be able to do them
 653 2011-04-27 03:41:22 <kika> *what would
 654 2011-04-27 03:41:29 <Diablo-D3> bk128: its accounting it wrong.
 655 2011-04-27 03:41:31 <netxshare> only when their drug problem effects other people should it be an issue
 656 2011-04-27 03:41:34 <Diablo-D3> kika: no, 5970.
 657 2011-04-27 03:41:38 <luke-jr> netxshare: bad logic
 658 2011-04-27 03:41:42 <netxshare> how is that?
 659 2011-04-27 03:41:47 <[Tycho]> I noticed that total hashing speed variance increased tonight. May be somehow caused by this new miner :)
 660 2011-04-27 03:41:49 <Diablo-D3> kika: 6990 has amazing 3D power, but its not as good on bitcoin
 661 2011-04-27 03:42:01 <netxshare> if had millions of dollars and could afford my habit just fine, it should be non issue
 662 2011-04-27 03:42:14 <luke-jr> netxshare: 1) it assumes harming oneself is moral, 2) it assumes the State lacks the authority to make completely arbitrary laws
 663 2011-04-27 03:42:17 <luke-jr> netxshare: both of which are false
 664 2011-04-27 03:42:25 <Validus> the 6990 has amazing 3d power when you find something that actually works
 665 2011-04-27 03:42:39 <netxshare> there are many legal products that cause harm
 666 2011-04-27 03:42:46 <Validus> yep. some worst than drugs
 667 2011-04-27 03:42:47 <luke-jr> netxshare: that doesn't justify it
 668 2011-04-27 03:42:55 <bk128> Diablo-D3: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison according to that 6990 is faster
 669 2011-04-27 03:43:20 <kika> Diablo-D3: how come? i tought this https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison is saying 6990 is 2x 6970
 670 2011-04-27 03:43:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr threaded_rpc * r0071352b3347 bitcoind-personal/ (makefile.unix rpc.cpp): Put JSON-RPC connections into their own threads, so they can run in parallel UNSTABLE WITH USE_SSL http://tinyurl.com/6zkczkc
 671 2011-04-27 03:43:49 <bk128> kika: he's saying 5970 is faster I think
 672 2011-04-27 03:43:52 <Diablo-D3> kika: its 2x 6970, but a a 5970 is 2x 5870, and a 5870 beats a 6970
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 674 2011-04-27 03:44:02 <netxshare> weed will be legal in CA soon enough
 675 2011-04-27 03:44:02 <kika> blk128: yeah i know i just ordered a 6990 because of that however why Diablo-D3 is saying 5970 is better?
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 677 2011-04-27 03:44:09 <Diablo-D3> 69xx has amazing 3D throughput
 678 2011-04-27 03:44:14 <netxshare> it is rather close to it as it is
 679 2011-04-27 03:44:35 <Diablo-D3> none of the enhancements to the 69xx architecture improve bitcoin speed.
 680 2011-04-27 03:44:54 <bk128> Diablo-D3: on that page, max hash for 5970 is 730, max for 6990 (not on phoenix) is 771
 681 2011-04-27 03:45:11 <netxshare> 5970 has a max of 730?
 682 2011-04-27 03:45:20 <bk128> oh, its OC to 880
 683 2011-04-27 03:45:24 <netxshare> ah
 684 2011-04-27 03:45:30 <netxshare> that's a high overclock
 685 2011-04-27 03:45:34 <Diablo-D3> yeah, you need to make sure you compare at stock rates
 686 2011-04-27 03:45:51 <Diablo-D3> and also look at watt efficiency
 687 2011-04-27 03:46:12 <Diablo-D3> also, being forced to use sdk 2.4 means you lose about 10-15% speed
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 689 2011-04-27 03:47:57 <netxshare> oh really
 690 2011-04-27 03:48:08 <netxshare> I have been having issues with blue screens
 691 2011-04-27 03:48:12 <netxshare> every now and then
 692 2011-04-27 03:48:18 <netxshare> it hated mem 300mhz
 693 2011-04-27 03:48:22 <netxshare> it worked once
 694 2011-04-27 03:48:29 <netxshare> then rebooted and bluescreen all the time
 695 2011-04-27 03:48:48 <netxshare> I am using drivers 11.3?
 696 2011-04-27 03:49:08 <netxshare> dunno if ill get much more then 660
 697 2011-04-27 03:49:39 <dishwara> reinstall windows
 698 2011-04-27 03:49:58 <Diablo-D3> yeah, sounds like other shit is going on
 699 2011-04-27 03:50:03 <Diablo-D3> also, dont underclock mem
 700 2011-04-27 03:50:06 <Diablo-D3> thats REALLY not recommended
 701 2011-04-27 03:50:11 <EPiSKiNG> or disable graphic stuff
 702 2011-04-27 03:50:11 <Diablo-D3> and you dont buy much from it
 703 2011-04-27 03:50:18 <Diablo-D3> you need to control mem VOLTAGE not speed
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 706 2011-04-27 03:51:53 <luke-jr> hmm
 707 2011-04-27 03:52:03 <luke-jr> since that guy took out drugs, I'm very tempted to remove Adult too ;)
 708 2011-04-27 03:52:08 <luke-jr> that one should go before drugs
 709 2011-04-27 03:52:26 <netxshare> lol
 710 2011-04-27 03:52:35 <xelister> new fglrx doesnt seem to work for my linux
 711 2011-04-27 03:52:37 <netxshare> it's becomming more of a ad service to make money
 712 2011-04-27 03:52:38 <xelister> and sdk2.4 needs it
 713 2011-04-27 03:52:42 <xelister> jesus fucking christ
 714 2011-04-27 03:52:46 <netxshare> then a useful index for people
 715 2011-04-27 03:53:00 <netxshare> but I would like to know every site that will take BTC
 716 2011-04-27 03:53:05 <netxshare> just not on the main wiki
 717 2011-04-27 03:53:43 <netxshare> so keep the mem at 1ghz and core at 800
 718 2011-04-27 03:53:46 <luke-jr> maybe a separate "Questionable Trade" pag
 719 2011-04-27 03:53:48 <luke-jr> page*
 720 2011-04-27 03:53:56 <netxshare> that is a good idea
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 722 2011-04-27 03:55:08 <xelister> indeed sdk 2.4 seems better so far
 723 2011-04-27 03:55:23 <xelister> it alwasy and without exception, resets the X server, on any CL program start.
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 726 2011-04-27 03:57:00 <netxshare> Diablo-D3: Do you recommend I switch my drivers?
 727 2011-04-27 03:57:19 <Diablo-D3> what hardware?
 728 2011-04-27 03:57:24 <xelister> nvidia should teach ati's driver guys how to write drivers
 729 2011-04-27 03:57:30 <netxshare> the 5970
 730 2011-04-27 03:57:34 <xelister> I mean, seriously, wtf
 731 2011-04-27 03:57:35 <netxshare> it's on 11.3
 732 2011-04-27 03:57:42 <Diablo-D3> yeah
 733 2011-04-27 03:57:47 <netxshare> 11.1?
 734 2011-04-27 03:57:50 <xelister> netxshare: what os?
 735 2011-04-27 03:57:56 <netxshare> right now windows 7
 736 2011-04-27 03:58:03 <Diablo-D3> you should be on 10.9 - 10.11 (WITHOUT the OCL runtime), and use sdk 2.1
 737 2011-04-27 03:58:10 <netxshare> okay
 738 2011-04-27 03:58:16 <Diablo-D3> and if you're on windows, make sure you uninstalled shit right
 739 2011-04-27 03:58:21 <Diablo-D3> rolling back drivers is a pita
 740 2011-04-27 03:58:21 <netxshare> yeah
 741 2011-04-27 03:58:27 <netxshare> need to get driver cleaner
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 743 2011-04-27 03:58:37 <EPiSKiNG> driver cleaner?
 744 2011-04-27 03:58:49 <xelister> ®
 745 2011-04-27 04:00:58 <dishwara> better use driver sweeper from phython.net
 746 2011-04-27 04:00:58 <netxshare> it fully uninstalls a driver
 747 2011-04-27 04:01:12 <netxshare> im sure that's the same thing
 748 2011-04-27 04:01:25 <netxshare> im going to go set that up
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 750 2011-04-27 04:01:54 <dishwara> oops phyxion.net
 751 2011-04-27 04:02:53 <dishwara> http://www.phyxion.net/item/driver-sweeper.html
 752 2011-04-27 04:04:44 <EPiSKiNG> Diablo-D3 I'm running 11.3 with OCL druntime and Stream SDK 2.1 and getting great results
 753 2011-04-27 04:04:48 <EPiSKiNG> with 5870
 754 2011-04-27 04:05:59 * Diablo-D3 shrugs.
 755 2011-04-27 04:06:12 <Diablo-D3> 2.1 doesnt work for people on newer cats in windows
 756 2011-04-27 04:06:15 <Diablo-D3> but I cant figure out why
 757 2011-04-27 04:06:19 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt apply to everyone
 758 2011-04-27 04:06:31 <EPiSKiNG> wierd
 759 2011-04-27 04:10:05 <xelister> you know what is wierder?
 760 2011-04-27 04:10:15 <netxshare> ;;bc,gen 7200000
 761 2011-04-27 04:10:17 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 7200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 78.4207174822 BTC per day and 3.26752989509 BTC per hour.
 762 2011-04-27 04:10:26 <netxshare> ;;bc,calc 7200000
 763 2011-04-27 04:10:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 7200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 7 seconds
 764 2011-04-27 04:10:27 <xelister> guys are coding damn gfx cards all day long for a living for like 10 years and still didn't figured out this drivers shit out
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 766 2011-04-27 04:14:37 <dishwara> Since they are just drivers & driver writers/coders may be they need some conductors to conduct
 767 2011-04-27 04:17:55 <xelister> Installation complete.
 768 2011-04-27 04:17:57 <xelister> *** glibc detected *** ./setup.data/bin/x86_64/setup: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x000000000209c2b0 ***
 769 2011-04-27 04:18:09 <xelister> ^-- the radeon  **INSTALLER** programm.  Good job.
 770 2011-04-27 04:18:30 <luke-jr> xelister: yay for Gentoo
 771 2011-04-27 04:18:48 <luke-jr> emerge ati-drivers
 772 2011-04-27 04:18:49 <luke-jr> done
 773 2011-04-27 04:18:51 <luke-jr> :P
 774 2011-04-27 04:18:58 <xelister> luke-jr: ubuntu comes with ati driver
 775 2011-04-27 04:19:02 <xelister> but older version
 776 2011-04-27 04:19:24 <luke-jr> shrug
 777 2011-04-27 04:19:26 <luke-jr> why do you want new anyway
 778 2011-04-27 04:19:33 <xelister> I dont want
 779 2011-04-27 04:19:37 <xelister> but SDK 2.4 needs it
 780 2011-04-27 04:19:58 <xelister> I dont want sdk 2.4 actually too much, but 2.1 eats all the cpu and its wife and family
 781 2011-04-27 04:20:06 <xelister> *2.2
 782 2011-04-27 04:20:22 <luke-jr> 2.1 works fine
 783 2011-04-27 04:21:02 <xelister> how can serious people make their INSTALLER program (run as root) segfault itself on typical use?
 784 2011-04-27 04:21:13 <xelister> 1.
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 788 2011-04-27 04:26:33 <xelister> 9. get high and let interns handle it
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 790 2011-04-27 04:31:24 <x6763> ;;bc,mtgox
 791 2011-04-27 04:31:24 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.88,"low":1.5301,"vol":24273,"buy":1.84,"sell":1.88,"last":1.88}}
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 793 2011-04-27 04:38:50 <purplezky> ;;bc,stats
 794 2011-04-27 04:38:52 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120430 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 529 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 107585.02442323
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 798 2011-04-27 04:58:28 <sethsethseth> why does it cost me .01 to do every transaction, yet when i mine a block i usually only get .01 for it
 799 2011-04-27 04:58:57 <doublec> why does it cost you .01 to do a transaction?
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 801 2011-04-27 04:59:58 <sethsethseth> oh do i have my fee set too high?
 802 2011-04-27 05:00:29 <sethsethseth> whenever i would try to send like 100btc with no fee teh client would tell me to put a fee on it
 803 2011-04-27 05:00:57 <fabianhjr> Going to finish the Bitcoin PHP class tomorrow :D https://github.com/fabianhjr/bitcoinClient/
 804 2011-04-27 05:01:12 <fabianhjr> Night
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 808 2011-04-27 05:08:09 <netxshare> drivers 10.10 give me a No opencl error
 809 2011-04-27 05:08:19 <netxshare> even after I have installed stream sdk 2.1
 810 2011-04-27 05:10:05 <netxshare> I am having a hard time finding old drivers too
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 812 2011-04-27 05:11:56 <Diablo-D3> sounds like user error
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 814 2011-04-27 05:12:57 <netxshare> finding the drivers
 815 2011-04-27 05:13:04 <netxshare> or it failing?
 816 2011-04-27 05:13:07 <lfm> following instructions
 817 2011-04-27 05:13:26 <netxshare> did I missing something?
 818 2011-04-27 05:13:38 <Diablo-D3> dunno, I dont use windows
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 820 2011-04-27 05:13:49 <netxshare> WITHOUT the OCL runtime)
 821 2011-04-27 05:13:53 <netxshare> mine was _OCL
 822 2011-04-27 05:14:37 <lfm> look at the sdk install instruction again
 823 2011-04-27 05:14:46 <lfm> s
 824 2011-04-27 05:14:57 <netxshare> is there a guide or something, I just ran setup.exe
 825 2011-04-27 05:15:12 <lfm> yup, thats your problem
 826 2011-04-27 05:15:15 <netxshare> ah okay
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 828 2011-04-27 05:17:32 <netxshare> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3774.msg60557#msg60557
 829 2011-04-27 05:17:39 <netxshare> is that what you are talking about?
 830 2011-04-27 05:19:24 <lfm> no instructions from amd site
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 841 2011-04-27 05:35:14 <EPiSKiNG> phoenix is running super stable on my rig
 842 2011-04-27 05:35:49 <EPiSKiNG> deepbit is reporting right on target at 5 minute and 30 minute polling intervals
 843 2011-04-27 05:36:05 <EPiSKiNG> i'm converting video and typing
 844 2011-04-27 05:36:10 <EPiSKiNG> at agression=13
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 851 2011-04-27 05:47:10 <Stellar> EPiSKiNG: do you encounter any excessive stale shares?
 852 2011-04-27 05:48:37 <Stellar> i have 2956 Accepted/28 rejected on one of my core
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 854 2011-04-27 05:55:43 <netxshare> epsiking what type of system do you have
 855 2011-04-27 05:56:24 <netxshare> at  agression=11 the cmd windows are super slow
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 857 2011-04-27 05:59:12 <witten> is it expecting that loading the block index should take a while?
 858 2011-04-27 05:59:18 <witten> from debug.log:  block index          108785ms
 859 2011-04-27 05:59:33 <witten> s/expecting/expected/
 860 2011-04-27 06:04:09 <gjs278> ;;bc,timetonext
 861 2011-04-27 06:04:10 <gribble> 2 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 10 seconds
 862 2011-04-27 06:04:22 <gjs278> ;;bc,estimate
 863 2011-04-27 06:04:22 <gribble> 107657.83726876
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 878 2011-04-27 06:43:24 <EPiSKiNG> Stellar: with 1.2 i believe it was resolved:  1258 / 26 rejected
 879 2011-04-27 06:43:53 <EPiSKiNG> netxshare: my command windows are super slow... ut an i7 920 with one 5870
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 892 2011-04-27 07:19:02 <OneFixt> i think the overclock.net minig thread just got deleted
 893 2011-04-27 07:19:22 <OneFixt> mining*
 894 2011-04-27 07:20:06 <OneFixt> hmm never mind, back up
 895 2011-04-27 07:20:24 <retinal> I was going to say everything at http://google.com/search?q=site:overclock.net+bitcoin worked fine
 896 2011-04-27 07:20:54 <retinal> also, '2 Hours Ago' ..?
 897 2011-04-27 07:20:57 <retinal> wow, explosive
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 908 2011-04-27 07:38:52 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 909 2011-04-27 07:38:53 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.88,"low":1.535,"vol":26040,"buy":1.7799,"sell":1.8,"last":1.78}}
 910 2011-04-27 07:38:56 <BurtyB> mornin
 911 2011-04-27 07:43:30 <noagendamarket> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6619.msg96743#msg96743  wtf
 912 2011-04-27 07:44:15 <noagendamarket> bitcoin national radio ad ?
 913 2011-04-27 07:44:53 <noagendamarket> witcoin struggles to get 5btc a month lol
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 916 2011-04-27 07:52:11 <jaromil> noagendamarket: i've tipped a goot 10btc last week in witcoin c'mon don't whine :)
 917 2011-04-27 07:52:25 <jaromil> witcoin its the best bitcoin startup around
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 919 2011-04-27 07:58:04 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 920 2011-04-27 07:58:05 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.88,"low":1.535,"vol":25974,"buy":1.7798,"sell":1.79,"last":1.7799}}
 921 2011-04-27 07:58:24 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 922 2011-04-27 07:58:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120457 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 502 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 107893.12834426
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 927 2011-04-27 08:10:58 <noagendamarket> :)
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 944 2011-04-27 08:33:28 <topi`> regarding the national radio ad, I think it's a bit premature to start advertising beta software
 945 2011-04-27 08:33:40 <sipa> me too
 946 2011-04-27 08:34:40 <topi`> unless there are geeks listening to radio, but I doubt... they are much more likely to watch sucky youtube videos:)
 947 2011-04-27 08:34:51 <topi`> I wouldn't want to explain my mom how to set up bitcoin
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 949 2011-04-27 08:35:47 <JFK911> i wouldnt want my mom to waste bitcoins on stupid stuff that mom buys
 950 2011-04-27 08:36:24 <sipa> i would
 951 2011-04-27 08:36:38 <sipa> buying stupid stuff is good for the economy :p
 952 2011-04-27 08:36:54 <JFK911> MOM! i need those bitcoins!
 953 2011-04-27 08:36:56 <JFK911> for silk road!
 954 2011-04-27 08:37:05 <JFK911> you like silk, right ma!?!
 955 2011-04-27 08:37:06 <topi`> :D
 956 2011-04-27 08:37:46 <sipa> molecular: how are the statistics going?
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 987 2011-04-27 09:21:19 <newbitcoinuser> where can i buy bitcoins with a credit/debit card?
 988 2011-04-27 09:22:15 <BlueMatt> not really possible...
 989 2011-04-27 09:22:28 <BlueMatt> you can easily buy paypal usd then buy bitcoins with that
 990 2011-04-27 09:22:33 <BlueMatt> but directly via cc isnt easy
 991 2011-04-27 09:22:53 <BlueMatt> http://coinpal.ndrix.com/
 992 2011-04-27 09:23:24 <newbitcoinuser> thanks for the link, checkin it out
 993 2011-04-27 09:23:40 <BlueMatt> also, ask around on #bitcoin-otc
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1003 2011-04-27 09:38:40 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,estimate
1004 2011-04-27 09:38:40 <gribble> 108178.47362853
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1010 2011-04-27 09:46:29 <eps> ;;bc,stats
1011 2011-04-27 09:46:31 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120475 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 484 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 108243.90745501
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1014 2011-04-27 09:47:08 <AStove> Is there a binary out for 0.3.21 yet?
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1016 2011-04-27 09:47:54 <sipa> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.21/
1017 2011-04-27 09:48:29 <JFK911> o
1018 2011-04-27 09:49:42 <BlueMatt> not "out" yet, but its an rc and probably the final
1019 2011-04-27 09:50:37 <AStove> Thanks.
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1023 2011-04-27 09:52:46 <BlueMatt> didnt gavin say he wanted to get .21 out yesterday?
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1025 2011-04-27 09:54:50 <AStove> Also, lol at froced language. I have to delete the folder in local to run it in English.
1026 2011-04-27 09:54:58 <AStove> forced*
1027 2011-04-27 09:56:45 <topi`> how do you force a language?
1028 2011-04-27 09:57:31 <AStove> It looks at your regional settings and there's no option to change it, except maybe comandline, but havn't thought about that.
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1040 2011-04-27 10:14:09 <AStove> Any idea when there's a built in encryption for the wallet comming?
1041 2011-04-27 10:18:17 <BlueMatt> AStove: 0.4.0
1042 2011-04-27 10:18:26 <BlueMatt> ie the next release after .3.21
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1044 2011-04-27 10:19:26 <Blitzboom> good. badly needed
1045 2011-04-27 10:19:38 <BlueMatt> isnt that what gavin said yesterday?
1046 2011-04-27 10:19:41 <BlueMatt> I think he did
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1049 2011-04-27 10:22:10 <BlueMatt> though there are still several problems with the current patch which need solved
1050 2011-04-27 10:23:01 <Blitzboom> what encryption will be used?
1051 2011-04-27 10:24:01 <BlueMatt> aes 256 cbc
1052 2011-04-27 10:24:02 <molecular> ArtForzZz. phoenix: 3116 shares is 35033 seconds -> 382 mhash/s
1053 2011-04-27 10:24:08 <molecular> *in
1054 2011-04-27 10:24:09 <BlueMatt> (is jgarziks current patch)
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1056 2011-04-27 10:24:34 <Blitzboom> ok. i think i would feel safe with greater sums of BTC this way
1057 2011-04-27 10:24:53 <Blitzboom> password prompt everytime you initiate a transaction?
1058 2011-04-27 10:25:03 <BlueMatt> thats the idea
1059 2011-04-27 10:25:18 <Blitzboom> great
1060 2011-04-27 10:25:45 <Blitzboom> next on my personal wishlist would be wallet merging
1061 2011-04-27 10:25:55 <BlueMatt> <gavinandresen> I'd like the next version to be 0.4 with jgarzik's encrypt-private-keys incorporated
1062 2011-04-27 10:26:31 <BlueMatt> also autotools and Im hoping for bitcoin: uris
1063 2011-04-27 10:26:49 <Blitzboom> ah, yeah. URI is going to be awesome
1064 2011-04-27 10:27:01 <BlueMatt> next release is going to be big
1065 2011-04-27 10:27:13 <Blitzboom> hence .4 i guess
1066 2011-04-27 10:27:28 <doublec> how will bitcoin URI's work?
1067 2011-04-27 10:28:09 <BlueMatt> doublec: you create a bitcoin:address ... link and when you click it it opens a bitcoin send dialog
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1069 2011-04-27 10:28:27 <doublec> via a browser plugin I guess?
1070 2011-04-27 10:28:32 <BlueMatt> doublec: nope
1071 2011-04-27 10:28:43 <doublec> how will it work?
1072 2011-04-27 10:29:23 <BlueMatt> no plugins necessary
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1074 2011-04-27 10:29:23 <molecular> ? how does that work?
1075 2011-04-27 10:29:23 <BlueMatt> all oses have support for protocol handler registration
1076 2011-04-27 10:29:23 <BlueMatt> currently its only implemented on windows (in the pull)
1077 2011-04-27 10:29:23 <doublec> ah right
1078 2011-04-27 10:29:26 <BlueMatt> but it shouldnt be hard on gnome, probably also kde
1079 2011-04-27 10:29:28 <doublec> I thought you might be using HTML's registerProtocolHandler
1080 2011-04-27 10:29:29 <Blitzboom> man, this is going to make everything so much easier
1081 2011-04-27 10:29:35 <BlueMatt> mac would be a bit harder from what I can tel
1082 2011-04-27 10:29:36 <Blitzboom> two clicks and done
1083 2011-04-27 10:29:52 <molecular> hopefully not "one-click" :)
1084 2011-04-27 10:29:59 <BlueMatt> nope
1085 2011-04-27 10:30:13 <molecular> amazon could do that
1086 2011-04-27 10:30:32 <BlueMatt> but we probably want to confirm before we send
1087 2011-04-27 10:30:39 <BlueMatt> 2 clicks is good enough for me
1088 2011-04-27 10:31:07 <Blitzboom> well, with encryption it should be two clicks and passphrase
1089 2011-04-27 10:31:18 <BlueMatt> good point
1090 2011-04-27 10:31:24 <BlueMatt> oh well I dont mind that
1091 2011-04-27 10:31:27 <doublec> I look forward to exploit^H^Hring that feature
1092 2011-04-27 10:31:28 <molecular> I'm getting 318 mhps on half a stock 5970 with phoenix miner, that's 14% better than with m0mchill's
1093 2011-04-27 10:31:34 <Blitzboom> neither do i. security is more important
1094 2011-04-27 10:32:39 <BlueMatt> molecular: isnt that the paid one?
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1097 2011-04-27 10:33:09 <Blitzboom> and personally i’m not afraid by keyloggers or else i’d have lots of trouble already :D
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1099 2011-04-27 10:36:33 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcGTUaG930U
1100 2011-04-27 10:37:57 <BlueMatt> you link the most random things
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1107 2011-04-27 10:52:06 <asn> You guys didn't get into GSoC?
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1109 2011-04-27 10:59:17 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: heh, isnt that the nature of the internet?
1110 2011-04-27 11:00:53 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: yep, pretty much
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1112 2011-04-27 11:02:57 <doublec> hmm, my webserver doesn't like serving pages to requests for .bit domains for some reason
1113 2011-04-27 11:03:14 <doublec> it works for a while then, stops, just sending no response to the http request
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1123 2011-04-27 11:09:54 <molecular> BlueMatt, no, phoenix is free and opensource
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1128 2011-04-27 11:13:08 <sacarlson> I got weeds net proto setup to run public on freenode #weeds  ready for testing from outside
1129 2011-04-27 11:13:24 <ersi> weeds net?
1130 2011-04-27 11:13:27 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: what is weeds?
1131 2011-04-27 11:13:49 <sacarlson> weeds is just a name of my last proto network chain
1132 2011-04-27 11:14:30 <sacarlson> it's a new chain with max of 10 million units already produced with no more to be produced
1133 2011-04-27 11:14:54 <BlueMatt> why?
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1135 2011-04-27 11:15:29 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: just experimenting with new chains to be used for trading
1136 2011-04-27 11:16:04 <BlueMatt> you think you're gonna get any traders?
1137 2011-04-27 11:16:23 <sacarlson> I was asked by someone today if I would trade btc for weeds
1138 2011-04-27 11:16:45 <BlueMatt> interesting
1139 2011-04-27 11:16:46 <sacarlson> but I'm not sure it's ready yet for the public
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1141 2011-04-27 11:17:29 <BlueMatt> no offense but I hope it doesnt get picked up, we really dont need to split our efforts among a ton of different currencies
1142 2011-04-27 11:17:40 <sacarlson> I originaly planed to have very limited zero grouth chains but this is the last one I was working on when I fixed the IRC part that was broken
1143 2011-04-27 11:18:14 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: no offense taken
1144 2011-04-27 11:19:27 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: and I don't see split effort I use all your code
1145 2011-04-27 11:19:43 <mtrlt> but different currency
1146 2011-04-27 11:19:52 <BlueMatt> we arent fighting to code, we are fighting for currency adoption
1147 2011-04-27 11:19:59 <mtrlt> if you don't see the split effort there, then get eyeglasses :(
1148 2011-04-27 11:20:16 <Blitzboom> i agree with BlueMatt, although i like the idea of competing bitcoin-currencies
1149 2011-04-27 11:20:21 <mtrlt> i don't
1150 2011-04-27 11:20:43 <mtrlt> there is no reason to have multiple volatile currencies, nobody's gonna use them
1151 2011-04-27 11:20:44 <BlueMatt> I like the idea, but the split effort makes me disagree
1152 2011-04-27 11:21:02 <Blitzboom> bitcoin already has basic infrastructure (forums, wiki, exchanges, shops and organizations accepting it)
1153 2011-04-27 11:21:05 <mtrlt> if we can get the first one to stabilize, then would be the time for possible other currencies
1154 2011-04-27 11:21:14 <Blitzboom> ^ i agree
1155 2011-04-27 11:21:14 <edcba> sacarlson: 10M divisible ?
1156 2011-04-27 11:21:27 <sacarlson> mtrlt: well I saw it as a way to make quicker steps with different networks with different rules like mine clears quicker with only 2 blocks to verify
1157 2011-04-27 11:21:43 <sacarlson> edcba: yes 10m divisible
1158 2011-04-27 11:21:52 <mtrlt> yea but my argument still stands
1159 2011-04-27 11:22:03 <mtrlt> one strong currency is much better than many volatile ones
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1161 2011-04-27 11:22:15 <edcba> divisible by how much ?
1162 2011-04-27 11:22:19 <Blitzboom> yeah … plus networking effect
1163 2011-04-27 11:22:23 <sacarlson> edcba: I had originaly planed only 10,000 divisible but I just needed to test all posibilities
1164 2011-04-27 11:23:05 <Blitzboom> if bitcoin had stable demand and a market i’d be all for it
1165 2011-04-27 11:23:06 <sacarlson> edcba: by same as bit coin .000000001
1166 2011-04-27 11:23:20 <edcba> ok it's a forl
1167 2011-04-27 11:23:21 <edcba> fork
1168 2011-04-27 11:23:51 <edcba> so what do i do to have some weedcoins ?
1169 2011-04-27 11:24:02 <sacarlson> edcba: it's not much a a fork it just adds flexibility and includes transacitons on bitcoin chains also
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1172 2011-04-27 11:24:47 <sacarlson> edcba: you would have to compile the needed changes from git and use the weeds config file
1173 2011-04-27 11:25:26 <edcba> i thought coins were already generated ?
1174 2011-04-27 11:25:40 <mtrlt> how does that work anyway :P
1175 2011-04-27 11:25:46 <sacarlson> edcba: yes but you can still mine for transaction fee's
1176 2011-04-27 11:25:57 <mtrlt> where's the incentive to hop onboard
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1178 2011-04-27 11:26:48 <sacarlson> mtrlt: no real incentive that I can think of at this time until the coins attached to something of real value like realestate or equities
1179 2011-04-27 11:28:05 <mtrlt> i see.
1180 2011-04-27 11:28:33 <sacarlson> or if it tied to a casino with there own curency
1181 2011-04-27 11:30:03 <sacarlson> in theory it shouldn't take much power to run since there is not much motiviation to mine other than to keep transactions flowing
1182 2011-04-27 11:30:27 <BlueMatt> kills the double-spend protection though
1183 2011-04-27 11:30:57 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I'm not sure I have setup one check block but not sure how much protection that provides
1184 2011-04-27 11:31:57 <BlueMatt> what?
1185 2011-04-27 11:32:50 <ersi> Diablo-D3: Edit I Ja seems awesome
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1187 2011-04-27 11:34:28 <Diablo-D3> I liked it
1188 2011-04-27 11:42:00 <sacarlson> edcba: oh and I would give you 500 weeds for free just for testing if you want any
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1190 2011-04-27 11:44:12 <lfm> why they called weeds? is that the target market? weed?
1191 2011-04-27 11:45:13 <Diablo-D3> makes cents
1192 2011-04-27 11:45:16 <Diablo-D3> dohohohohoho
1193 2011-04-27 11:46:20 <sacarlson> lfm: well I do like smoking it and it just came to mind
1194 2011-04-27 11:47:55 <sacarlson> plutonium was on my list of names but I thought that might attract the wrong idea
1195 2011-04-27 11:48:20 <Diablo-D3> as long as you dont let the libyans have it, I dont see the problem
1196 2011-04-27 11:48:23 <edcba> the problem with your money sacarlson is that you control all of it
1197 2011-04-27 11:49:07 <sacarlson> edcba: maybe now but I'm very generose so that shouldn't be a problem
1198 2011-04-27 11:50:12 <sacarlson> and in this format in my opinion it has no value until it points at something
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1200 2011-04-27 11:51:55 <slush> Any experience with this 5870? http://img07.allegroimg.pl/photos/400x300/15/79/63/36/1579633668_1
1201 2011-04-27 11:52:16 <Diablo-D3> looks like a ref 5870 with stock cooler
1202 2011-04-27 11:52:19 <slush> design is slightly modified, I'm not sure if cooler is reference
1203 2011-04-27 11:52:39 <Diablo-D3> plastic housing is a little fancier though
1204 2011-04-27 11:52:42 <Diablo-D3> ask art
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1206 2011-04-27 11:54:12 <edcba> sacarlson: we have to trust you
1207 2011-04-27 11:54:18 <rly> Is there any company that converts VHDL designs into hardware with listed prices?
1208 2011-04-27 11:54:25 <slush> Diablo-D3: thanks
1209 2011-04-27 11:54:33 <edcba> with satoshi's way we only needed to trust the code
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1211 2011-04-27 11:54:57 <sacarlson> edcba: well I'm not sure you would be the people that invested in me would
1212 2011-04-27 11:55:00 <rly> edcba: no, we also need to trust that not too many coins have been collected by first adopters.
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1214 2011-04-27 11:55:12 <sacarlson> edcba: buy my code is public
1215 2011-04-27 11:55:44 <Diablo-D3> dude
1216 2011-04-27 11:55:45 <edcba> yes it's quite same than satoshi i guess
1217 2011-04-27 11:55:50 <Diablo-D3> I want printed bitcoin bills
1218 2011-04-27 11:55:54 <Diablo-D3> IN SATOSHI WE TRUST
1219 2011-04-27 11:55:56 <Diablo-D3> or something
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1221 2011-04-27 11:56:41 <rly> How many BTC exist now? 1e5*50?
1222 2011-04-27 11:56:53 <sacarlson> edcba: boy my typing sucks today my code is free and is public in git
1223 2011-04-27 11:57:01 <edcba> but satoshi algo would have been distributed among a lot of ppl when totally mined
1224 2011-04-27 11:57:07 <edcba> it's not the case in your money
1225 2011-04-27 11:57:28 <edcba> my english was bad
1226 2011-04-27 11:57:58 <edcba> you completely reversed the idea of bitcoin it seems
1227 2011-04-27 11:58:36 <sacarlson> edcba: yes his code is also public now not in the future,  it just changes or enables changing the rules
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1230 2011-04-27 12:09:49 <sacarlson> but to give you any confidence in btc I have already started ACH transfers to mtgox to buy up to $5000 USD worth of btc
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1233 2011-04-27 12:10:21 <xxxxxxx> sacarlson, when?
1234 2011-04-27 12:10:42 <Diablo-D3> $5000?
1235 2011-04-27 12:10:43 <Diablo-D3> jesus.
1236 2011-04-27 12:10:51 <xxxxxxx> 5000 will easily make the price jump over 2.0 USD
1237 2011-04-27 12:10:55 <sacarlson> when will I buy them?  I'm not sure I will monitor the market but the money will soon be transfered there
1238 2011-04-27 12:10:59 <Blitzboom> xxxxxxx: no
1239 2011-04-27 12:11:06 <xxxxxxx> ACH takes 3 days
1240 2011-04-27 12:11:09 <xxxxxxx> when did u start it
1241 2011-04-27 12:11:22 <xxxxxxx> Blitzboom, no what?
1242 2011-04-27 12:11:26 <sacarlson> xxxxxxx: I'm not in the much of a rush
1243 2011-04-27 12:11:27 <Blitzboom> no, it will not
1244 2011-04-27 12:11:33 <Blitzboom> see the order book
1245 2011-04-27 12:11:52 <Diablo-D3> it'd take $50k to jump over 2
1246 2011-04-27 12:12:00 <sacarlson> I still talking to my chase bank about seting the transaction
1247 2011-04-27 12:12:08 <Blitzboom> how do you come up with 50k, Diablo-D3?
1248 2011-04-27 12:12:14 <Diablo-D3> rough estimate
1249 2011-04-27 12:12:19 <xxxxxxx> from experience
1250 2011-04-27 12:12:21 <Diablo-D3> theres a few dark orders obviously not being listed
1251 2011-04-27 12:12:33 <xxxxxxx> putting in more than 1k makes the price increase quite quickly
1252 2011-04-27 12:12:38 <Diablo-D3> plus people will start selling again once it gets up there
1253 2011-04-27 12:12:44 <Blitzboom> 50k is not very much considering the >100k volume we had
1254 2011-04-27 12:12:47 <Blitzboom> in one day
1255 2011-04-27 12:12:54 <Diablo-D3> look at the market depth graph, xxxxxxx
1256 2011-04-27 12:13:00 <Diablo-D3> huge resistance at $2
1257 2011-04-27 12:13:16 <Blitzboom> not really huge
1258 2011-04-27 12:13:28 <xxxxxxx> ah
1259 2011-04-27 12:13:41 <Diablo-D3> compared to the history of btc? its huge
1260 2011-04-27 12:13:45 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: but theres also black money that I'm not sure of
1261 2011-04-27 12:13:47 <Diablo-D3> I think its the first resistence we've ever had
1262 2011-04-27 12:13:55 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: "dark orders", I said that
1263 2011-04-27 12:14:00 <Blitzboom> Diablo-D3: uhm no
1264 2011-04-27 12:14:04 <Blitzboom> there have been lager ones
1265 2011-04-27 12:14:52 <Blitzboom> and there’s a 17k bid at 1.2$ or so
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1267 2011-04-27 12:15:27 <sacarlson> the more money that comes it the more stable it will become
1268 2011-04-27 12:15:38 <BlueMatt> 11k bid @ 1.6
1269 2011-04-27 12:15:55 <Blitzboom> nice, BlueMatt …
1270 2011-04-27 12:16:08 <Blitzboom> ok, who here is this? D
1271 2011-04-27 12:16:11 <Blitzboom> :D
1272 2011-04-27 12:17:27 <xxxxxxx> how long till bitcoin is on the cover of time ?
1273 2011-04-27 12:17:45 <mrb_> 2 months, 14 days
1274 2011-04-27 12:18:03 <sacarlson> ok beer time for me don't do anything I wouldn't do
1275 2011-04-27 12:18:11 <da2ce7> lol
1276 2011-04-27 12:18:18 <sirius> gavin, man of the year :)
1277 2011-04-27 12:18:31 <da2ce7> sacarlson, I need beer alos. :P
1278 2011-04-27 12:18:42 <Blitzboom> sirius: satoshi, man of the millenium
1279 2011-04-27 12:18:50 <eps> the beers are on scarlson?
1280 2011-04-27 12:18:59 <BlueMatt> satoshi man of last year, gavin of this
1281 2011-04-27 12:19:04 <sirius> good luck finding satoshi's pic for the cover :P
1282 2011-04-27 12:19:20 <da2ce7> sirius, you can be on the back cover.
1283 2011-04-27 12:19:31 <sirius> that would be fine, too
1284 2011-04-27 12:19:31 <Diablo-D3> just use the mirror issue
1285 2011-04-27 12:19:43 <da2ce7> You are Satoshi
1286 2011-04-27 12:19:49 <xxxxxxx> that mirror was really ghetto
1287 2011-04-27 12:19:59 <Diablo-D3> the mirror was a fucking copout
1288 2011-04-27 12:20:11 <BlueMatt> yea, they really couldnt come up with a good idea
1289 2011-04-27 12:20:20 <da2ce7> the mirror made my fat ass look big.
1290 2011-04-27 12:20:43 <Diablo-D3> (-er)
1291 2011-04-27 12:22:09 <noagendamarket> lol
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1294 2011-04-27 12:32:21 <BlueMatt> someone really likes 1.88
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1297 2011-04-27 12:33:30 <noagendamarket> ha maybe they are chinese
1298 2011-04-27 12:33:36 <noagendamarket> its a lucky number
1299 2011-04-27 12:33:38 <noagendamarket> 8
1300 2011-04-27 12:33:38 <Blitzboom> maybe nazis
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1309 2011-04-27 13:01:04 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 15000
1310 2011-04-27 13:01:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 15000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 43 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 59 minutes, and 52 seconds
1311 2011-04-27 13:01:09 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 15000
1312 2011-04-27 13:01:09 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 15000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 0.163376494755 BTC per day and 0.00680735394811 BTC per hour.
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1315 2011-04-27 13:08:29 <bencoder> ;;bc,mtgox
1316 2011-04-27 13:08:30 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.9,"low":1.5635,"vol":29490,"buy":1.8534,"sell":1.889,"last":1.8532}}
1317 2011-04-27 13:08:43 <bencoder> insane
1318 2011-04-27 13:10:41 <sirius> cool that creating a block is worth almost 100 bucks
1319 2011-04-27 13:14:31 <BlueMatt> genjix: ping
1320 2011-04-27 13:16:06 <xxxxxxx> hrm
1321 2011-04-27 13:16:24 <xxxxxxx> thoughts on webgl based mining ?
1322 2011-04-27 13:17:21 <ersi> Get some numbers and people will think about it
1323 2011-04-27 13:17:33 <BlueMatt> Id say wait for webcl
1324 2011-04-27 13:17:37 <bencoder> that would be WebCL rather than webgl wouldn't it?
1325 2011-04-27 13:17:41 <bencoder> ^^
1326 2011-04-27 13:18:26 <BlueMatt> can you even do processing in GL?
1327 2011-04-27 13:18:27 <xxxxxxx> if you added the code to a popular site you could quickly have an extremely powerful miner
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1329 2011-04-27 13:18:36 <xxxxxxx> i dunno, havent used it before
1330 2011-04-27 13:19:04 <BlueMatt> I dont think you can
1331 2011-04-27 13:19:21 <BlueMatt> or well, if its designed properly you shouldnt be able to
1332 2011-04-27 13:20:44 <bencoder> i think it is technically posible with glsl
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1334 2011-04-27 13:22:11 xxxxxxx is now known as xxxxxxx`brb
1335 2011-04-27 13:22:14 xxxxxxx`brb is now known as xxxxxxx
1336 2011-04-27 13:22:35 xxxxxxx is now known as xxxxxxx`brb
1337 2011-04-27 13:22:37 xxxxxxx`brb is now known as xxxxxxx
1338 2011-04-27 13:23:36 <BlueMatt> anyone know much about aes?
1339 2011-04-27 13:24:36 <sipa> no, but maybe somebody knows enough? :D
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1341 2011-04-27 13:25:17 <BlueMatt> just wanted to discuss jgarzik's encryption
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1343 2011-04-27 13:25:59 <sipa> i aksed a friend of mine (who has a phd in cryptography) about the suggestion i did myself
1344 2011-04-27 13:26:18 <BlueMatt> what was your suggestion?
1345 2011-04-27 13:26:27 <bencoder> BlueMatt: http://www.mathematik.uni-dortmund.de/~goeddeke/gpgpu/tutorial.html if you're interested in it, here is a lower level tutorial of GPGPU without one of the higher level frameworks like opencl, which I think would be possible with webgl
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1347 2011-04-27 13:26:51 <ArtForzZz> dunno about that, iirc webgl is based on GLSL-ES2, which is pretty much OpenGL 2.0 shaders
1348 2011-04-27 13:27:09 <sipa> BlueMatt: use the public key or address as IV
1349 2011-04-27 13:27:21 <luke-jr> [05:56:18] <ljrbot> Blk 000000000000976a85ddc10f60730bf2babb9a9659639f87d09eacdcfb62e2a9: 1Fx7iX1rUxr5dtSNsMA3ahSbEhbzuX34cC 50.05999999 BTC, 1CT1Wbu5kkQArCkWjHnzKyx6YaPCiFTJdB 0.00000001 BTC
1350 2011-04-27 13:28:23 <ArtForzZz> and iirc theres no much support for integer and bitwise stuff in 2.0
1351 2011-04-27 13:28:36 <sipa> he commented that it shouldn't be for an attacker to change the value (=the private key in our case), which is true, since that would make it mismatch the key
1352 2011-04-27 13:29:19 <sipa> ArtForzZz: we did some tests with the phoenix miner, and my current guess is that it indeed reaches 314Mhash/s per core on stock 5970
1353 2011-04-27 13:29:41 <ArtForzZz> huh, weird
1354 2011-04-27 13:30:36 <sipa> i get 310Mhash/s calculated from the actual amount of sent shares (including rejected ones, though), with a stddev of 3Mhash/s, so that leaves 314Mhash/s very possible
1355 2011-04-27 13:30:46 <sipa> disregarding rejected shares it's only 304Mhash/s, thouhj
1356 2011-04-27 13:30:46 <sipa> though
1357 2011-04-27 13:30:46 <ArtForzZz> well, 310 is certainly possible, especially with 1.2
1358 2011-04-27 13:30:47 <luke-jr> http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000976a85ddc10f60730bf2babb9a9659639f87d09eacdcfb62e2a9
1359 2011-04-27 13:30:49 <BlueMatt> sipa: what does jgarzik's patch use for ivs?
1360 2011-04-27 13:31:00 <sipa> BlueMatt: i believe just a constant
1361 2011-04-27 13:31:01 <ArtForzZz> now that they actually use BFI_INT for Maj
1362 2011-04-27 13:31:07 <sipa> 1.2?
1363 2011-04-27 13:31:13 <molecular> I'm getting 318 Mhash/s (corrected for overclocking) with phoenix
1364 2011-04-27 13:31:15 <sipa> ah, version number
1365 2011-04-27 13:31:21 <ArtForzZz> yep
1366 2011-04-27 13:31:25 <molecular> on half a 5970
1367 2011-04-27 13:31:29 <ArtForzZz> 1.1 only used BFI_INT for CH()
1368 2011-04-27 13:31:37 <sipa> but i don't see why the hashmeter would be wrong
1369 2011-04-27 13:31:48 <sipa> so i believe it actually does 314
1370 2011-04-27 13:31:55 <molecular> I have to agree
1371 2011-04-27 13:31:59 <ArtForzZz> yup
1372 2011-04-27 13:32:08 <ArtForzZz> with current version, certainly possible
1373 2011-04-27 13:32:35 <sipa> BlueMatt: it just uses a constant value, i believe
1374 2011-04-27 13:32:44 <ArtForzZz> especially with vectors
1375 2011-04-27 13:32:55 <sipa> without vectors it is a lot slower
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1377 2011-04-27 13:33:06 <sipa> but shouldn't opencl do that vectors-optimization itself?
1378 2011-04-27 13:33:26 <ArtForzZz> yes, but the compiler is kinda... well... ATI
1379 2011-04-27 13:33:31 <sipa> :D
1380 2011-04-27 13:33:36 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: whatcha think?
1381 2011-04-27 13:33:52 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: on key encryption?
1382 2011-04-27 13:33:59 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: on my new block :p
1383 2011-04-27 13:34:04 <ArtForzZz> same way spelling out constant parts of the calculation shouldnt be required
1384 2011-04-27 13:34:14 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000976a85ddc10f60730bf2babb9a9659639f87d09eacdcfb62e2a9
1385 2011-04-27 13:34:19 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you sent yourself 50 and another address 0.0000...1?
1386 2011-04-27 13:34:24 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: yes
1387 2011-04-27 13:34:28 <BlueMatt> why?
1388 2011-04-27 13:34:35 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: this will be how my pool pays out
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1390 2011-04-27 13:34:42 <BlueMatt> ah, cool
1391 2011-04-27 13:34:43 <luke-jr> I wanted to test it
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1393 2011-04-27 13:35:16 <luke-jr> only problem is it depends on multithreaded JSON-RPC, which is a bit unstable
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1397 2011-04-27 13:37:35 <BlueMatt> sipa: so all that needs added from a security pov is using pub keys as ivs?
1398 2011-04-27 13:37:57 <BlueMatt> also, are you sure aes-cbc would be exploitable with constant ivs?
1399 2011-04-27 13:38:07 <sipa> i'm quite sure it won't
1400 2011-04-27 13:38:24 <BlueMatt> but pubkeys are definitely better?
1401 2011-04-27 13:38:33 <nanotube> what are you guys talking about? wallet encryption?
1402 2011-04-27 13:38:37 <sipa> yes
1403 2011-04-27 13:39:01 * BlueMatt knows little about security of aes, but wants to help get this patch moving forward
1404 2011-04-27 13:39:14 <nanotube> ah cool.
1405 2011-04-27 13:39:26 * nanotube doesn't know much about aes. :)
1406 2011-04-27 13:39:39 <Blitzboom> nanotube will probably suggest GPG :P
1407 2011-04-27 13:39:52 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: curiously, listtransactions shows the total of both under a single Generated
1408 2011-04-27 13:39:58 <sipa> only in very specific cases i think you could derive some information even in ecb mode, i think
1409 2011-04-27 13:40:09 <nanotube> Blitzboom: haha and indeed i have done so before. :)
1410 2011-04-27 13:40:12 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: not really surprising
1411 2011-04-27 13:40:23 <Blitzboom> GPG would be cool imo
1412 2011-04-27 13:40:25 <luke-jr> once you know the code, not surprising
1413 2011-04-27 13:40:26 <sipa> but still, using varying IVs will even make that almost impossible
1414 2011-04-27 13:40:40 <luke-jr> but if I hadn't seen how it's implemented, I would be very suspicious :P
1415 2011-04-27 13:40:43 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: really not what pub/priv encryption is used for
1416 2011-04-27 13:40:55 <xxxxxxx> BlueMatt, check out http://www.freearchive.org/o/907da43df4038f882bf25159cb3f26708735a60f3bff881372b3bb8f6cf677be
1417 2011-04-27 13:40:56 <BlueMatt> sipa: fair enough
1418 2011-04-27 13:41:04 <luke-jr> also, this block brings my average mining earnings to 158% of what bc,calc predicts
1419 2011-04-27 13:41:08 <xxxxxxx> search for AES and start from there
1420 2011-04-27 13:41:15 <BlueMatt> xxxxxxx: yea, ive read through that
1421 2011-04-27 13:41:20 <BlueMatt> great presentation
1422 2011-04-27 13:41:40 <xxxxxxx> yea
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1428 2011-04-27 14:02:27 <topi`> great primer on crypto :)
1429 2011-04-27 14:02:51 <topi`> I have used aes256 without any real facts behind its use to encrypt my wallet.dat
1430 2011-04-27 14:02:59 <topi`> but it seems it's recommended for block crypto
1431 2011-04-27 14:03:29 <topi`> what's wrong with blowfish? :) I think many ssh implementations have used it.
1432 2011-04-27 14:04:42 <BlueMatt> aes is more known, more tested and more used, Id much prefer to use it
1433 2011-04-27 14:04:49 <luke-jr> just xor every byte with random data
1434 2011-04-27 14:05:14 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: that great encryption in that no one can ever decrypt?
1435 2011-04-27 14:05:21 <luke-jr> :D
1436 2011-04-27 14:06:31 <topi`> I think the protected AAC files I bought from iTunes music store, must be AES128 encrypted.
1437 2011-04-27 14:06:44 <topi`> (yeah, i know, evil evil, well...)
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1439 2011-04-27 14:09:17 <BlueMatt> when out of memory, does kernel kill largest mem-using program or simply not allow new mallocs?
1440 2011-04-27 14:09:51 <luke-jr> depends on config
1441 2011-04-27 14:10:01 <luke-jr> on desktop OS, usually the killer
1442 2011-04-27 14:10:07 <BlueMatt> default==?
1443 2011-04-27 14:10:13 <luke-jr> on servers, it varies
1444 2011-04-27 14:10:19 <luke-jr> mine denys mallocs
1445 2011-04-27 14:10:27 <BlueMatt> desktops?
1446 2011-04-27 14:10:33 <luke-jr> [10:05:48] <luke-jr> on desktop OS, usually the killer
1447 2011-04-27 14:10:45 <BlueMatt> meaning?
1448 2011-04-27 14:10:53 <tcatm> yep, linux kills processes on low memory
1449 2011-04-27 14:11:03 <BurtyB> on one of my centos boxes I find it likes to kill named :(
1450 2011-04-27 14:11:15 <BlueMatt> the one with the largest mem usage or?
1451 2011-04-27 14:11:15 <ersi> OOM says MOO
1452 2011-04-27 14:11:39 <tcatm> BlueMatt: IIRC the algorithm is more complex
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1456 2011-04-27 14:12:18 <topi`> you want to kill the process that does too many mallocs without subsequent free()s
1457 2011-04-27 14:12:24 <tcatm> BlueMatt: http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer
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1460 2011-04-27 14:17:14 <advertisingbit> Hi all. I'm working on a simple ad network - http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6610.0 - any comments?
1461 2011-04-27 14:19:06 <UukGoblin> shit. advertisingbit, awesome idea! why did I think of it ;-]
1462 2011-04-27 14:19:50 <advertisingbit> hah. thanks.
1463 2011-04-27 14:20:21 <advertisingbit> im trying to use a proof-of-work system to manage clickfraud.
1464 2011-04-27 14:20:38 <UukGoblin> ooh, that might be tricky. detailz plz!
1465 2011-04-27 14:20:46 <BlueMatt> everything in the bitcoin community is pow based now
1466 2011-04-27 14:20:49 <molecular> advertisingbit, nice idea. similar to projectfabulous?
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1468 2011-04-27 14:21:20 <advertisingbit> molecular, not really - OF is more like buysellads.com. i'm aiming for something like adsense.
1469 2011-04-27 14:21:27 <advertisingbit> except anyone can sign up, no approval.
1470 2011-04-27 14:21:46 <advertisingbit> i'm using a technique like hashcash.
1471 2011-04-27 14:22:01 <molecular> advertisingbit, awright... not into ad at all... if I had sth to advertise, I would look into advertisingbit
1472 2011-04-27 14:22:15 <advertisingbit> a browser runs md5 hashes in the background, when it finds one that has four zeroes - it sends it to the adserver.
1473 2011-04-27 14:22:23 <advertisingbit> and the adserver then counts all it's impressions, not before.
1474 2011-04-27 14:22:49 <advertisingbit> mostly doing it for fun though.
1475 2011-04-27 14:22:57 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 1384000
1476 2011-04-27 14:22:58 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1384000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 15.0742045827 BTC per day and 0.628091857612 BTC per hour.
1477 2011-04-27 14:23:17 <UukGoblin> advertisingbit, hrm, clickspammers will use gfx cards to generate clicks then
1478 2011-04-27 14:23:42 <advertisingbit> the hashing function has to run in the browser, so just plain cpu would be far faster.
1479 2011-04-27 14:24:05 <advertisingbit> i'm not sure how to properly solve clickspam. hopefully i can work it out somehow.
1480 2011-04-27 14:24:29 <TD[work]> heh
1481 2011-04-27 14:24:35 <TD[work]> clickspam == hard work
1482 2011-04-27 14:24:58 <UukGoblin> advertisingbit, you'd have no way of enforcing of where it's actually run
1483 2011-04-27 14:25:17 <BlueMatt> TD[work]: isnt it your job to stop clickspam?
1484 2011-04-27 14:26:12 * TD[work] chuckles
1485 2011-04-27 14:26:27 <TD[work]> sort of .... i'm more dealing with regular spam. but there's a fair bit of overlap
1486 2011-04-27 14:26:51 <brycek> pick an algorithm GPUs are awful at
1487 2011-04-27 14:26:53 <BlueMatt> hah, ok in either case it takes a fair bit of work to prevent clickspam
1488 2011-04-27 14:26:59 <xxxxxxx> advertisingbit, that's not gonna work
1489 2011-04-27 14:27:01 <BlueMatt> but I suppose you know that
1490 2011-04-27 14:27:12 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 1357000
1491 2011-04-27 14:27:12 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1357000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 14.7801268921 BTC per day and 0.615838620506 BTC per hour.
1492 2011-04-27 14:28:06 <advertisingbit> yeah. i realise that clickspam is the impossible thing.
1493 2011-04-27 14:28:31 <TD[work]> it's not impossible
1494 2011-04-27 14:28:37 <TD[work]> obviously. otherwise google would be out of business.
1495 2011-04-27 14:28:43 <TD[work]> it IS a lot of work if you're up against sophisticated adversaries
1496 2011-04-27 14:28:46 <TD[work]> however, you won't be.
1497 2011-04-27 14:28:57 <TD[work]> because you're very small .... not much money to be stolen
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1499 2011-04-27 14:33:33 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r5ff32af655f0 spesmilo/cashier.py: Optimize: Rather than re-style every single table item when there's a new block, only do it for actual changes http://tinyurl.com/3px2237
1500 2011-04-27 14:37:38 <advertisingbit> Are there any interesting web-development bounties going at the moment?
1501 2011-04-27 14:38:17 <Diablo-D3> bounties? no
1502 2011-04-27 14:38:21 <Diablo-D3> no one pays me for my work
1503 2011-04-27 14:38:35 <Diablo-D3> I do it.... because I can. Also, my disk is bigger, I dont really need reasons.
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1505 2011-04-27 14:38:52 <ersi> "Do what we can, because, we must - la lala lalalala"
1506 2011-04-27 14:39:08 <Diablo-D3> hehhhhh.
1507 2011-04-27 14:39:13 <Diablo-D3> thats wrong
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1509 2011-04-27 14:39:21 <Diablo-D3> Do what we must because we can
1510 2011-04-27 14:39:30 <ersi> bah
1511 2011-04-27 14:40:06 <Diablo-D3> black mesa, fat chance, ha ha, etc, etc
1512 2011-04-27 14:40:50 <UukGoblin> aaanywaay this cake is great; it's so delicious and moist!
1513 2011-04-27 14:41:15 <UukGoblin> is there a json-rpc call to check balance from unconfirmed transactions?
1514 2011-04-27 14:41:43 <[Tycho]> ...I've experiments to run, there is research to be done on the miners who are still alive
1515 2011-04-27 14:42:08 * UukGoblin wants a multiplayer crack for portal2
1516 2011-04-27 14:42:47 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: I... dont think so
1517 2011-04-27 14:42:50 <Diablo-D3> that'd be useful
1518 2011-04-27 14:43:09 <Diablo-D3> also, I probably wont be playing portal 2. ever.
1519 2011-04-27 14:43:19 <Diablo-D3> at least not until they drop prices down to like $15
1520 2011-04-27 14:43:19 <UukGoblin> old versions used to show the balance immediately
1521 2011-04-27 14:43:33 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: whats the point if you cant spend it
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1523 2011-04-27 14:43:42 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, just to see if someone sent it
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1525 2011-04-27 14:45:39 <Diablo-D3> ahh
1526 2011-04-27 14:45:44 <Diablo-D3> then balance would be useless
1527 2011-04-27 14:45:48 <Diablo-D3> you want actual transactions
1528 2011-04-27 14:46:36 <UukGoblin> yeah, I guess.
1529 2011-04-27 14:46:48 <UukGoblin> any would be useful
1530 2011-04-27 14:46:57 <Diablo-D3> pretty sure listtransactions still lists new tx
1531 2011-04-27 14:47:14 <UukGoblin> I think they need 1+ confirmation, doesn't it?
1532 2011-04-27 14:47:19 <Diablo-D3> yeah, at least 1
1533 2011-04-27 14:47:27 <Diablo-D3> its gotta be in a block in the chain
1534 2011-04-27 14:47:31 <Diablo-D3> ANOTHER BLOCK IN THE CHAIN
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1536 2011-04-27 14:48:17 <UukGoblin> I want UNconfirmed transactions
1537 2011-04-27 14:48:26 <UukGoblin> to see them as soon as they're sent, like, instantly.
1538 2011-04-27 14:48:41 <Diablo-D3> When we grew up and had a job, there were certain bankers who would hurt the people anyway they could, etc etc etc
1539 2011-04-27 14:48:47 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: they're still unconfirmed at 1
1540 2011-04-27 14:49:09 <UukGoblin> well in my language, they have 1 confirmation then
1541 2011-04-27 14:49:09 <Diablo-D3> btw, the UI client will show 0/unconfirmed
1542 2011-04-27 14:49:17 <UukGoblin> yeah, the UI one will
1543 2011-04-27 14:49:19 <Diablo-D3> but only if it saw the push
1544 2011-04-27 14:49:26 <Diablo-D3> not everyone sees a new tx event
1545 2011-04-27 14:49:37 <UukGoblin> no?
1546 2011-04-27 14:50:03 <Diablo-D3> no
1547 2011-04-27 14:50:11 <sipa> getbalance "*" 0
1548 2011-04-27 14:50:20 <sipa> in 0.3.21
1549 2011-04-27 14:50:51 <UukGoblin> ah, great, thanks
1550 2011-04-27 14:50:58 <UukGoblin> I think it's OK in 3.19 too
1551 2011-04-27 14:51:02 <UukGoblin> 0.3.19 I mean
1552 2011-04-27 14:51:03 <Diablo-D3> WE DONT NEED NO CREDIT CARDS, WE DONT NEED NO BANK ACCOUNTS
1553 2011-04-27 14:51:11 <Diablo-D3> NO DARK SARCASM IN THE WALLET
1554 2011-04-27 14:51:16 <Diablo-D3> BANKERS LEAVE THEM PEOPLE ALONE
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1556 2011-04-27 14:51:45 <sipa> aha, a great classic by pink coin
1557 2011-04-27 14:51:47 <UukGoblin> ... all and all it's just a...nother block in the chain!
1558 2011-04-27 14:51:48 <Diablo-D3> ALL IN ALL ITS JUST ANOTHER BLOCK IN THE CHAIN
1559 2011-04-27 14:51:58 <UukGoblin> [-;
1560 2011-04-27 14:52:03 <Diablo-D3> god thats horrible
1561 2011-04-27 14:52:05 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt even rhyme
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1563 2011-04-27 14:53:00 <UukGoblin> hrm except getbalance "*" returns 0 ;-P
1564 2011-04-27 14:53:16 <UukGoblin> so /that/ is what I need from 0.3.21 ;-]
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1568 2011-04-27 15:01:39 <Diablo-D3> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/-dzDWOr7bXM/sex-ed-cthulhu-style.html
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1582 2011-04-27 15:30:48 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000976a85ddc10f60730bf2babb9a9659639f87d09eacdcfb62e2a9
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1588 2011-04-27 15:39:36 <gavinandresen> luke-jr:  something in particular you want me to notice about that block?
1589 2011-04-27 15:39:49 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: the generation
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1591 2011-04-27 15:40:35 <gavinandresen> Looks OK to me.  Weird, but ok
1592 2011-04-27 15:44:11 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: going to use that for my pool's payouts ;)
1593 2011-04-27 15:45:22 <TD[work]> 50.05999999 ?
1594 2011-04-27 15:45:24 <TD[work]> is that tonal at work ?
1595 2011-04-27 15:45:32 <luke-jr> TD[work]: no, see the other output :P
1596 2011-04-27 15:45:41 <TD[work]> right, a tiny amount
1597 2011-04-27 15:46:05 <luke-jr> my CreateBlock executes a shell command which tells it how to distribute generation
1598 2011-04-27 15:46:15 <luke-jr> my test script just gave 1 unit to a specific address
1599 2011-04-27 15:47:47 <gavinandresen> luke-jr:  very nice, although your users might be upset if they end up with micro-bitcoins that they have to pay transaction fees to spend.
1600 2011-04-27 15:47:53 <gavinandresen> (do you have minimum payouts?)
1601 2011-04-27 15:48:11 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I plan to not have minimum payouts, to discourage CPU miners.
1602 2011-04-27 15:50:06 <luke-jr> although I suppose when it grows to >50 GPUs it will be just as problematic
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1609 2011-04-27 16:06:20 <devrandom> gavinandresen - you said "I can get a cheap linux netbook to run VMs to build..." Is this because you wanted VTx?
1610 2011-04-27 16:06:53 <gavinandresen> what is VTx?
1611 2011-04-27 16:07:18 <devrandom> cpu hardware virtualization
1612 2011-04-27 16:07:26 <devrandom> I might be misspelling it
1613 2011-04-27 16:07:40 <gavinandresen> I just figured it would be easier to get VMs running under Linux on a netbook than on my Mac
1614 2011-04-27 16:07:59 <TD[work]> hmm, VMs take a lot of memory/cpu ...
1615 2011-04-27 16:08:18 <devrandom> gotcha
1616 2011-04-27 16:08:26 <xxxxxxx> i run vmware on my mbpro
1617 2011-04-27 16:08:32 <devrandom> you probably want at least 2GB of ram
1618 2011-04-27 16:08:50 <xxxxxxx> ubuntu vm as my main os
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1620 2011-04-27 16:09:04 <devrandom> and if you want hw virtualization, you'll need support from both the cpu and the bios
1621 2011-04-27 16:09:51 <gavinandresen> If I decide to buy hardware to run VMs, I'll be sure to ask y'alls advice.  I don't keep track of hardware stuff.
1622 2011-04-27 16:10:21 <devrandom> I should add support for VirtualBox, where cpu virt is optional
1623 2011-04-27 16:10:31 <devrandom> qemu might also work ok
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1630 2011-04-27 16:16:30 <xxxxxxx> btw vbox perf blows compared to vmware
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1632 2011-04-27 16:18:28 <devrandom> xxxxxxx - does qemu run under vmware?
1633 2011-04-27 16:18:49 <xxxxxxx> devrandom, dunno...
1634 2011-04-27 16:19:00 <xxxxxxx> i belive u cannot do nested vmwares in vmware, so maybe same for qemu ?
1635 2011-04-27 16:19:14 <xxxxxxx> or maybe u can do nested qemu w/o hw virt
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1637 2011-04-27 16:19:35 <devrandom> I believe the plain qemu doesn't require any hardware support, so it works nested
1638 2011-04-27 16:19:37 <devrandom> I could be wrong
1639 2011-04-27 16:19:41 <xxxxxxx> yea i think ur right
1640 2011-04-27 16:23:18 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1641 2011-04-27 16:23:18 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.95,"low":1.66,"vol":28411,"buy":1.9031,"sell":1.949,"last":1.9491}}
1642 2011-04-27 16:24:47 <luke-jr> qemu supports KVM virt acceleration
1643 2011-04-27 16:24:56 <luke-jr> IIRC, even if nested on AMD
1644 2011-04-27 16:26:27 <luke-jr> are block times guaranteed to always move forward?
1645 2011-04-27 16:26:51 <sipa> no
1646 2011-04-27 16:26:56 <phantomcircuit> yes :|
1647 2011-04-27 16:27:00 <sipa> on average, yes
1648 2011-04-27 16:27:13 <sipa> but in individual cases, no
1649 2011-04-27 16:27:27 <phantomcircuit> if the previous blocks timestamp is ahead of the current block the current block is supposed to be rejected
1650 2011-04-27 16:27:41 <sipa> no
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1652 2011-04-27 16:28:06 <genjix> hey BlueMatt
1653 2011-04-27 16:28:09 <sipa> if the next blocks timestamp is less than the mean of the last (iirc) 11 blocks, it is to be rejected
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1655 2011-04-27 16:29:36 * luke-jr grumbles
1656 2011-04-27 16:34:09 * luke-jr doesn't see any sensible way to use pushpool's data
1657 2011-04-27 16:34:36 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki timestamp
1658 2011-04-27 16:34:36 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_timestamp | Jan 13, 2011 ... Each block contains a Unix time timestamp. In addition to serving as a source of variation for the block hash, there are also validity ...
1659 2011-04-27 16:34:43 <nanotube> phantomcircuit: ^ more details here :)
1660 2011-04-27 16:34:55 <phantomcircuit> ah
1661 2011-04-27 16:35:32 <phantomcircuit> "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you.
1662 2011-04-27 16:35:37 <phantomcircuit> that is manipulatable
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1664 2011-04-27 16:35:51 <phantomcircuit> especially for nodes that are connectable
1665 2011-04-27 16:36:35 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: the code is smart about it
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1669 2011-04-27 16:51:33 <BlueMatt> genjix: whats up?
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1671 2011-04-27 16:52:47 <BlueMatt> genjix: I was going to ask you about your comments about jgarzik's encryption in his wallet-enc patch, but I think sipa pretty much covered it
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1673 2011-04-27 16:52:59 <caedes> hi!
1674 2011-04-27 16:53:28 <Incitatus> msg/ caedes hi
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1677 2011-04-27 16:54:25 <genjix> BlueMatt: well i made a class to do everything but didnt add it at the access points
1678 2011-04-27 16:54:48 <genjix> however his patch uses AES so im not sure if it's as secure as using SSL's SEAL
1679 2011-04-27 16:55:48 <topi`> http://www.tapirday.org/
1680 2011-04-27 16:56:01 <BlueMatt> genjix: I dont know much about seal but isnt it something like symmetric with the keys encrypted with asymmetric
1681 2011-04-27 16:56:06 <xxxxxxx> genjix, ssl SEAL ?
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1684 2011-04-27 16:56:59 <BlueMatt> xxxxxxx: he means openssl's seal
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1687 2011-04-27 16:57:56 <xxxxxxx> i dont see that either
1688 2011-04-27 16:58:09 <xxxxxxx> oh its a function
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1694 2011-04-27 17:03:59 <xxxxxxx> BlueMatt, ic, so it encyrptes a message with a symmetric key, then encyrpts the symmetric key with a public key, and inlcudes that in the message
1695 2011-04-27 17:04:10 <xxxxxxx> - A list of public keys to encrypt a symmetric key. At least one public key must be supplied. If two or more keys are given, the symmetric key are encrypted by each public keys so that any of the corresponding private keys can decrypt the message.
1696 2011-04-27 17:04:28 <xxxxxxx> and it allows you to chose whatever cipher you want
1697 2011-04-27 17:04:34 <sacarlson> your asking about encryption I devised this as one method https://sites.google.com/site/remotekeyencrypt/home
1698 2011-04-27 17:04:37 <BlueMatt> xxxxxxx: as I said, I dont know much about it
1699 2011-04-27 17:04:44 <xxxxxxx> yea me2, was just learning :)
1700 2011-04-27 17:05:10 <BlueMatt> anyway, I dont see anything wrong with just straight aes
1701 2011-04-27 17:05:42 <sacarlson> it's a simple method to encrypt a file as a mounted partition that get's it's key from a remote site that can be turned off and on
1702 2011-04-27 17:05:51 <xxxxxxx> BlueMatt, well everyone says dont implement crypto urself, always use high level libraries
1703 2011-04-27 17:06:04 <xxxxxxx> which is what seal seems to be part of, openssl evp
1704 2011-04-27 17:06:09 <xxxxxxx> http://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/evp.html
1705 2011-04-27 17:06:17 <topi`> hi caedes, how about some dinner?
1706 2011-04-27 17:06:41 <sacarlson> I didn't write the libs for this it's just simple scripts that put the libs together
1707 2011-04-27 17:06:58 <caedes> topi`: hey hey :)
1708 2011-04-27 17:07:25 <xxxxxxx> that said... once you've gened the keys and used SEAL to encrypt the wallet w them, what do you encrypt those keys with ?
1709 2011-04-27 17:07:32 <caedes> topi`: thinking about some specific day?
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1711 2011-04-27 17:07:59 <topi`> caedes: dunno. but we need to start hacking.
1712 2011-04-27 17:08:13 <topi`> i'm pretty much idle every day, while the woman is working.
1713 2011-04-27 17:08:47 <caedes> topi`: yeah.. well today we have a few ppl at home if you would like to come around.. no specific plan for dinner though.. otherwise I think this friday there is some hacklab meeting
1714 2011-04-27 17:09:20 <topi`> and on saturday, everything turns crazy :)
1715 2011-04-27 17:09:33 <caedes> yeah
1716 2011-04-27 17:09:35 <topi`> have you seen jaromil?
1717 2011-04-27 17:09:44 <caedes> he's here too :)
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1719 2011-04-27 17:09:46 <topi`> he's been pretty busy with some stuff, haven't been able to meet him.
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1721 2011-04-27 17:10:29 <caedes> yeah, i also was too busy to organize something with all the people from the talk..
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1724 2011-04-27 17:11:41 <devrandom> xxxxxxx - qemu is too slow without kvm, just tried it
1725 2011-04-27 17:12:03 <devrandom> maybe virtualbox would work
1726 2011-04-27 17:12:07 <lianj> devrandom: its just emulation without kvm
1727 2011-04-27 17:12:48 <devrandom> right... I thought they had the rewriting stuff, but that's been ripped out (kqemu)
1728 2011-04-27 17:13:07 <xxxxxxx> devrandom, why not just run multiple vms immediately on top of the host OS ?
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1730 2011-04-27 17:14:20 <devrandom> my build tools (gitian) want to build/start/stop the build vm
1731 2011-04-27 17:14:45 <devrandom> and for gavin and other people that already run ubuntu in a vm, that's a problem
1732 2011-04-27 17:14:56 <xxxxxxx> ah right ok
1733 2011-04-27 17:20:22 <genjix> topi`: come now
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1737 2011-04-27 17:26:24 <skyewm> does anyone know why blocks are hashed twice?
1738 2011-04-27 17:27:32 <Diablo-D3> its a common technique used in other systems
1739 2011-04-27 17:27:49 <xxxxxxx> skyewm, to prevent length extension attacks
1740 2011-04-27 17:27:58 <xxxxxxx> same thing used in HMACs
1741 2011-04-27 17:28:13 <skyewm> oo right
1742 2011-04-27 17:30:49 <skyewm> another question: does the client check that new blocks have the expected difficulty?
1743 2011-04-27 17:30:52 <JFK911> i get a lot of length extension spam
1744 2011-04-27 17:31:09 <skyewm> like if I solved a block with higher-than-necessary difficulty, would it be accepted by others?
1745 2011-04-27 17:31:48 <xxxxxxx> skyewm, you mean lower than necessary difficutly ?
1746 2011-04-27 17:32:54 <skyewm> either way I guess
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1749 2011-04-27 17:34:22 <skyewm> the wiki says "The 'length' of the entire block chain refers to the chain with the most combined difficulty", so does that mean you can choose any difficulty if you think that will make you the "longest" chain?
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1751 2011-04-27 17:35:31 <xxxxxxx> skyewm, difficutly just means, find a value that makes the hash lower than X, so it doesnt matter if u find one that is X-1 or X-infinity, itll still be accepted
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1754 2011-04-27 17:36:14 <skyewm> isn't the target difficulty also encoded somewhere in the block though?
1755 2011-04-27 17:36:28 <skyewm> like can you change that at will?
1756 2011-04-27 17:36:56 <lianj> its the bits field
1757 2011-04-27 17:37:20 <xxxxxxx> skyewm, and about the reason its hashed twice, im just guessing its because of length ext attacks because i dont know of any other reason, but the weird thing is i dont see what a length ext attack on a block would provide an attacker
1758 2011-04-27 17:38:23 <xxxxxxx> length ext attack usually means you dont know the original data that was hashed... but in this case i think everyone knows it
1759 2011-04-27 17:39:37 <skyewm> yeah that is a little strange
1760 2011-04-27 17:39:56 <skyewm> plus there's nothing more to hash anyway
1761 2011-04-27 17:40:39 <xxxxxxx> yea, i was originally thinking maybe it would prvent you from finding another hash which met the difficulty more easily, but thats not true
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1763 2011-04-27 17:42:40 <skyewm> so to clarify re:difficulty
1764 2011-04-27 17:43:18 <skyewm> say I was trying to fork the chain (or working on finding a hash for past transactions that are already in solved blocks for whatever reason)
1765 2011-04-27 17:43:38 <skyewm> and I happen to find a super low hash
1766 2011-04-27 17:43:59 <xxxxxxx> ah like
1767 2011-04-27 17:44:01 <skyewm> would the "true" chain be dropped in favor of my new super-difficult chain?
1768 2011-04-27 17:44:17 <xxxxxxx> the difficutly of finding that one hash, is higher than the combined difficutly of all the otehr blocks in the currennt chain ?
1769 2011-04-27 17:44:24 <skyewm> yea
1770 2011-04-27 17:44:29 <xxxxxxx> yea thats interesting, i have no idea
1771 2011-04-27 17:44:32 <xxxxxxx> im not sure how that part works yet
1772 2011-04-27 17:44:36 <Diablo-D3> sure, but your new chain MUST be sane
1773 2011-04-27 17:44:43 <Diablo-D3> you cant put false tx into the blocks
1774 2011-04-27 17:44:45 <xxxxxxx> altho i guess probability-wise that's not gonna happen
1775 2011-04-27 17:44:46 <Diablo-D3> or do other dumb shit
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1777 2011-04-27 17:45:03 <skyewm> yeah, but you could double spend
1778 2011-04-27 17:45:09 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: nope
1779 2011-04-27 17:45:24 <xxxxxxx> you could invalidate a ton of transactions tho
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1782 2011-04-27 17:45:37 <skyewm> yeah, including one I paid to someone
1783 2011-04-27 17:45:40 <xxxxxxx> itd basically detsroy the network depending how far back you found it
1784 2011-04-27 17:45:43 <Diablo-D3> invalidating transactions? yes, ONLY if its behind 3 blocks
1785 2011-04-27 17:45:45 <skyewm> and then use those outputs again in a new txn
1786 2011-04-27 17:45:52 <Diablo-D3> or whatever that particular user requires for a tx to become live
1787 2011-04-27 17:45:57 <luke-jr> anyone have Python code to verify an address is valid?
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1791 2011-04-27 17:46:35 <xxxxxxx> skyewm, hrm yea thats a good question though, how difficult would it be to do that for N past blocks
1792 2011-04-27 17:46:59 <skyewm> the reason I ask is that I'm doing a project for school that's basically trying to answer that question :)
1793 2011-04-27 17:47:00 <Diablo-D3> very
1794 2011-04-27 17:47:11 <Diablo-D3> you'd have to be hashing extremely fucking fast
1795 2011-04-27 17:47:19 <skyewm> we're gonna set up a tiny test network doing CPU mining and pit a GPU against it
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1797 2011-04-27 17:47:27 <xxxxxxx> Diablo-D3, well it should be a function of N right ?
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1799 2011-04-27 17:47:36 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: thats pointless
1800 2011-04-27 17:47:52 <skyewm> Diablo-D3: why?
1801 2011-04-27 17:47:53 <Diablo-D3> once you have one user who has the raw computational power more than the rest of the network, the games over
1802 2011-04-27 17:47:55 <xxxxxxx> if N is small maybe it wouldnt be that hard, but that would still be a pretty bad thing if someone invalidated the past 3 blocks of bitcoin TXs
1803 2011-04-27 17:47:57 <Diablo-D3> thats already known
1804 2011-04-27 17:47:57 <skyewm> maybe you're right, I don't know much about this
1805 2011-04-27 17:48:07 <Diablo-D3> satoshi even details it in his whitepaper
1806 2011-04-27 17:48:31 <xxxxxxx> skyewm, you're just doing a perf benchmark of CPUs vs a GPU ?
1807 2011-04-27 17:48:54 <Diablo-D3> if an attacker gains a significant amount of hashing power in terms of total network hashing power, the attacker can start trying to fork the chain from the past
1808 2011-04-27 17:49:03 <skyewm> satoshi's calculations are pretty idealistic and only deal with probabilities, we're trying to get emprical data
1809 2011-04-27 17:49:13 <skyewm> the results might not be super exciting
1810 2011-04-27 17:49:20 <skyewm> but it's too late to change the project now :P
1811 2011-04-27 17:49:26 <Diablo-D3> but you have to be careful how you insert the new fork
1812 2011-04-27 17:49:33 <echelon> is there a bitcoin job ad site?
1813 2011-04-27 17:49:35 <Diablo-D3> if you simply broadcast them normally, clients will reject them
1814 2011-04-27 17:49:38 <xxxxxxx> skyewm, yea Diablo-D3's right this probly falls under the need more than 50% of network hashing power to do type attack
1815 2011-04-27 17:49:38 <Diablo-D3> they'll be too old
1816 2011-04-27 17:49:58 <Diablo-D3> most likely the shear number of clients on the network will stop you
1817 2011-04-27 17:50:23 <Diablo-D3> they'll just reject your fork because its coming too far from the past and they already know previous blocks
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1819 2011-04-27 17:50:28 <skyewm> I wonder if it's not quite 50% because the attacker would be more organized
1820 2011-04-27 17:50:32 <Diablo-D3> you'll have to ask gavin or art though
1821 2011-04-27 17:50:38 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: its more than 50% actually
1822 2011-04-27 17:50:39 <xxxxxxx> skyewm, wait what is your project ?to try to the attack bitcoin network or just benchmarking cpu/gpu ?
1823 2011-04-27 17:50:52 <Diablo-D3> he has to ALSO control nodes that are considered influential
1824 2011-04-27 17:50:59 <Diablo-D3> and theres no way of knowing which nodes those are
1825 2011-04-27 17:51:00 <skyewm> we're not trying to attack the actual bitcoin network (test or actual), that's too hard
1826 2011-04-27 17:51:06 <Diablo-D3> and you cant actually test it either
1827 2011-04-27 17:51:11 <skyewm> we're trying to simulate an attack basically
1828 2011-04-27 17:51:18 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: thats exceedingly difficult
1829 2011-04-27 17:51:23 <nanotube> http://www.bitcoinjobs.com/ < echelon
1830 2011-04-27 17:51:37 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: simulations done with a handful of nodes are always incorrect
1831 2011-04-27 17:51:38 <sethsethseth> how do i get gribble to tell me next difficulty estimate
1832 2011-04-27 17:51:44 <echelon> awesome :)
1833 2011-04-27 17:51:48 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,estimate
1834 2011-04-27 17:51:49 <gribble> 107969.07312903
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1836 2011-04-27 17:52:00 <sethsethseth> thx
1837 2011-04-27 17:52:00 <skyewm> Diablo-3D: has someone tried this before?
1838 2011-04-27 17:52:36 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: satoshi worked out how to actually do it
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1840 2011-04-27 17:52:40 <sacarlson> skyewm: I would like someone to try to attack my net https://github.com/sacarlson/bitcoin
1841 2011-04-27 17:52:58 <echelon> nanotube, oh i was thinking something like scriptlance
1842 2011-04-27 17:53:01 <sacarlson> I'm looking for weakness
1843 2011-04-27 17:53:05 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: you need to hash significantly faster than the network
1844 2011-04-27 17:53:13 <Diablo-D3> thats the absolute requirement
1845 2011-04-27 17:53:26 <Diablo-D3> you also need a significant number of nodes that automatically accept your forked chain no matter what
1846 2011-04-27 17:53:45 <skyewm> are you referring to how the client checks certain checkpoints in the chain?
1847 2011-04-27 17:53:49 <Diablo-D3> no
1848 2011-04-27 17:53:57 <Diablo-D3> that prevents deep history mining attacks
1849 2011-04-27 17:54:07 <Diablo-D3> this is just recent blcoks
1850 2011-04-27 17:54:41 <Diablo-D3> but you need nodes connected to the network, and quite a few of them, that are preprogrammed to only work on your fork
1851 2011-04-27 17:54:47 <skyewm> do clients check that a new chain doesn't fork too many blocks?
1852 2011-04-27 17:54:49 <Diablo-D3> using something similar to the checkpoints, in a way
1853 2011-04-27 17:54:56 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: no...
1854 2011-04-27 17:54:57 <sacarlson> skyewm: I only do one checkpoint in my chain and only at block 50 with only a single minner with as little as 900khash/sec
1855 2011-04-27 17:55:00 <Diablo-D3> it only checks for total difficulty
1856 2011-04-27 17:55:08 <Diablo-D3> 1 1000 diff block is the same as 1000 1 diff
1857 2011-04-27 17:55:28 <Diablo-D3> (obviously the real diff has to match the diff scaling rules)
1858 2011-04-27 17:55:40 <echelon> bitcoinjobs.com should hire someone to make their site more interactive
1859 2011-04-27 17:55:48 <Diablo-D3> so you cant crank out extremely low diff blocks and try to get ahead
1860 2011-04-27 17:56:07 <Diablo-D3> you have to crank out ones that match or exceed the current diff
1861 2011-04-27 17:56:16 <Diablo-D3> NOW
1862 2011-04-27 17:56:20 <Diablo-D3> lets say you CAN produce those
1863 2011-04-27 17:56:51 <Diablo-D3> and you DO have a lot of clients that automatically listen to your poisoned fork, across IPs all over the world
1864 2011-04-27 17:56:52 <topi`> genjix: I'm actually going to casarobino now, to install a bitcoind for them so that they can start receiving donations in BTC
1865 2011-04-27 17:56:58 <topi`> and to spread the word :)
1866 2011-04-27 17:57:02 <Diablo-D3> and they've been connected for awhile, and other safe nodes are connected to them
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1868 2011-04-27 17:57:10 <Diablo-D3> THEN
1869 2011-04-27 17:57:13 <Diablo-D3> you can perform the attack
1870 2011-04-27 17:57:37 <xxxxxxx> Diablo-D3, why is it that you need need the extra clients that listen to the poisoned fork ?
1871 2011-04-27 17:57:38 <skyewm> can you explain why the network topology matters?
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1873 2011-04-27 17:57:50 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx: otherwise you cant get the fork out
1874 2011-04-27 17:57:55 <Diablo-D3> not enough clients will listen to your event send
1875 2011-04-27 17:58:00 <xxxxxxx> Diablo-D3, so like thers no way to get half the network connectd to ur singel node ?
1876 2011-04-27 17:58:09 <Diablo-D3> nope, the client resists that
1877 2011-04-27 17:58:13 <xxxxxxx> ah ic
1878 2011-04-27 17:58:16 <xxxxxxx> how does it do that ?
1879 2011-04-27 17:58:18 <Diablo-D3> you have to basically proxy your events
1880 2011-04-27 17:58:34 <Diablo-D3> dunno
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1882 2011-04-27 17:58:40 <Diablo-D3> and Im not sure if the code is even effective
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1884 2011-04-27 17:58:47 <xxxxxxx> like, how does your client X know taht 1000 other clients are already connected to my attacking client
1885 2011-04-27 17:58:55 <Diablo-D3> but trying to get everyone to connect to your client is going to be difficult
1886 2011-04-27 17:59:02 <xxxxxxx> i know that a singel client will onyl connect to one ip per subnet
1887 2011-04-27 17:59:02 <Diablo-D3> peer xchg and such will severely limit you
1888 2011-04-27 17:59:06 <xxxxxxx> or one client per subnet
1889 2011-04-27 17:59:15 <xxxxxxx> yea i can imagine that tho, just curious
1890 2011-04-27 17:59:22 <skyewm> wait, when you broadcast an event, is it not rebroadcasted?
1891 2011-04-27 17:59:33 <skyewm> I don't know anything about how messages are actually propagated :\
1892 2011-04-27 17:59:36 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: yeah, but you have to broadcast louder than the established fork
1893 2011-04-27 17:59:40 <xxxxxxx> hrm wait yea good pt....
1894 2011-04-27 17:59:50 <xxxxxxx> so if u just braodcast to a single client
1895 2011-04-27 17:59:50 <luke-jr> I have a pool to test. Who wants to help test it?
1896 2011-04-27 17:59:53 <xxxxxxx> wont taht client rebroadcast ?
1897 2011-04-27 17:59:53 <Diablo-D3> the posioned clients just exist to broadcast louder
1898 2011-04-27 18:00:01 <xxxxxxx> considering ur block chain looks more difficult
1899 2011-04-27 18:00:01 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx: it will... possibly.
1900 2011-04-27 18:00:09 <skyewm> what do you mean broadcast louder?
1901 2011-04-27 18:00:15 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: more clients hear you
1902 2011-04-27 18:00:23 <skyewm> yeah, I thought the difficulty is what matters, not... how many people are broadcasting?
1903 2011-04-27 18:00:29 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx: basically you have to overpower the normal broadcast setup
1904 2011-04-27 18:00:36 <Diablo-D3> which requires a lot of clients setup to listen only to you
1905 2011-04-27 18:01:03 <Diablo-D3> being able to just echo your broadcast effortlessly will significantly help the fork effort
1906 2011-04-27 18:01:10 <xxxxxxx> well the question is why wont the poisoned blockchain propagate by itself thru the network
1907 2011-04-27 18:01:20 <Diablo-D3> you need to stop the real chain in as few blocks as possible
1908 2011-04-27 18:01:21 <xxxxxxx> considering it should "look better" to anyone
1909 2011-04-27 18:01:40 <Diablo-D3> merely broadcasting wont always work
1910 2011-04-27 18:01:54 <Diablo-D3> because you'll be broadcasting, essentially, blocks in the past
1911 2011-04-27 18:02:03 <Diablo-D3> if you do it wrong, antways
1912 2011-04-27 18:02:09 <xxxxxxx> right
1913 2011-04-27 18:02:20 <skyewm> do clients reject past blocks?
1914 2011-04-27 18:02:25 <gavinandresen> skyewm: to answer your question from a while back... chain difficulty is calculated based on nBits (the target), NOT on the actual hashes found.
1915 2011-04-27 18:02:27 <sacarlson> skyewm: I have been looking into the posibility of a man in the middle attack that would require that you disable your target client from any network connection except you as the only seen node.  then you might be able to make the target think you sent him money
1916 2011-04-27 18:03:03 <skyewm> gavinandresen: does the client check that the nBits field is something reasonable?
1917 2011-04-27 18:03:08 <sacarlson> but you could never get him to sent you his funds
1918 2011-04-27 18:03:25 <gavinandresen> skyewm: the client checks that the nBits field is exactly what the difficulty algorithm says it should be
1919 2011-04-27 18:03:50 <gavinandresen> (adjusted every 2016 blocks based on block timestamps yada yada)
1920 2011-04-27 18:04:03 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: yes but
1921 2011-04-27 18:04:10 <Diablo-D3> if he just shits out on diff blocks
1922 2011-04-27 18:04:12 <Diablo-D3> for past blocks
1923 2011-04-27 18:04:23 <Diablo-D3> and has clients saying thats the valid chain
1924 2011-04-27 18:04:26 <Diablo-D3> then he CAN do it
1925 2011-04-27 18:04:33 <Diablo-D3> it just requires a fucking shitload of computation power
1926 2011-04-27 18:04:43 <skyewm> sacarlson: that's interesting, maybe we can try that in our baby test network
1927 2011-04-27 18:05:16 <sacarlson> skyewm: sure I see it only posible to be tested before the first block test is performed
1928 2011-04-27 18:05:16 <skyewm> I don't know how'd you sever the other connections though
1929 2011-04-27 18:06:10 <Diablo-D3> you still need the poisoned clients to always accept your NEW blocks
1930 2011-04-27 18:06:10 <sacarlson> skyewm: well in my case being an ISP I have the ability to turn off or divert all trafic as I normaly do for people that don't pay and I noticed it then
1931 2011-04-27 18:06:18 <Diablo-D3> ones that are for your fork
1932 2011-04-27 18:06:28 <Diablo-D3> and reject ones that arent yours
1933 2011-04-27 18:06:40 <Diablo-D3> you basically have to seriously confuse the network to get significant hash power working
1934 2011-04-27 18:06:46 <Diablo-D3> unless you just overpower it 100%+
1935 2011-04-27 18:07:04 <Diablo-D3> and if you're already doing that, why bother performing the attack
1936 2011-04-27 18:07:08 <Diablo-D3> just mine normally and profit like hell
1937 2011-04-27 18:07:46 <skyewm> I'm imagining an actual attacker would use a botnet
1938 2011-04-27 18:07:54 <skyewm> so they would have lots of computational power + lots of actual nodes
1939 2011-04-27 18:07:55 <xxxxxxx> yea, i see the only motive for most attakcs is to jsut fuck up the network, to benefit some alternative network or something
1940 2011-04-27 18:07:59 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: your blocks I guess will look good up untill the first test of verified blocks, but if the person had already been connected to the nework before it should already fail
1941 2011-04-27 18:08:08 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: no, the blocks come out fine verified
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1944 2011-04-27 18:08:11 <Diablo-D3> you have to produce ACTUAL blocks
1945 2011-04-27 18:08:16 <Diablo-D3> or clients immediately reject
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1947 2011-04-27 18:08:17 <Diablo-D3> period
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1954 2011-04-27 18:09:38 <skyewm> I'm still confused about why you need enough clients listening, though
1955 2011-04-27 18:09:45 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: well you can create a new chain over time from the original chain start as the only minner so you will create 7200 btc per day then you connect to your sealed target with the already created blocks before the check
1956 2011-04-27 18:09:55 <Diablo-D3> having a bunch of clients that refuse to accept blocks that arent from your forked chain propagates your chain faster
1957 2011-04-27 18:10:03 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: wont work
1958 2011-04-27 18:10:11 <Diablo-D3> because the network doesnt stop mining
1959 2011-04-27 18:10:15 <Diablo-D3> you have to mine pretty fast
1960 2011-04-27 18:10:17 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: maybe not
1961 2011-04-27 18:10:42 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: no the network won't but the target has never seen the network so doen't know
1962 2011-04-27 18:10:42 <skyewm> Diablo-D3: this is assuming your forked chain is >= difficulty as the original?
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1965 2011-04-27 18:11:05 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: yes, but due to diff rules, you basically need more blocks
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1967 2011-04-27 18:11:16 <Diablo-D3> you cant wildly screw with the diff number itself
1968 2011-04-27 18:11:27 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, what you're describing is basically an attack i already described, and which isn't possible unless you can mitm their interwebz
1969 2011-04-27 18:11:34 <Diablo-D3> so, say, you can shove a few 1 minute solve time blocks in (EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE)
1970 2011-04-27 18:11:42 <Diablo-D3> and have your fake clients start repeating those
1971 2011-04-27 18:11:54 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: mitm iterwebz?
1972 2011-04-27 18:12:05 <skyewm> man-in-the-middle
1973 2011-04-27 18:12:09 <Diablo-D3> and then other clients pick those up
1974 2011-04-27 18:12:10  is now known as Netsniper|!~kvirc@76.252.38.204|Netsniper
1975 2011-04-27 18:12:15 <Diablo-D3> think they're the normal chain
1976 2011-04-27 18:12:18 <Diablo-D3> and start mining ON THOSE
1977 2011-04-27 18:12:28 <Diablo-D3> and start spitting out blocks on YOUR fork
1978 2011-04-27 18:12:37 <Diablo-D3> and your clients, seeing they come from your fork, repeat those
1979 2011-04-27 18:12:42 <phantomcircuit> although i think you could mine a block with super high difficulty
1980 2011-04-27 18:12:47 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: nope
1981 2011-04-27 18:12:48 <phantomcircuit> why you would do that is beyond me though
1982 2011-04-27 18:12:53 <Diablo-D3> because your nBits has to match the algo
1983 2011-04-27 18:12:55 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, no?
1984 2011-04-27 18:13:05 <phantomcircuit> oh it doesn't just make sure nBits is >
1985 2011-04-27 18:13:08 <phantomcircuit> ok then
1986 2011-04-27 18:13:12 <xxxxxxx> Diablo-D3, ohhh ic
1987 2011-04-27 18:13:23 <Diablo-D3> the nBits, for time/blocks/previous diff, is pre known for any given combination mostly
1988 2011-04-27 18:13:23 <xxxxxxx> so that basically prevents this attack weve been talking about
1989 2011-04-27 18:13:30 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx: not quite
1990 2011-04-27 18:13:35 <Diablo-D3> blocks dont take ten minutes
1991 2011-04-27 18:13:41 <Diablo-D3> they take ... whenever they get done
1992 2011-04-27 18:13:55 <Diablo-D3> theres been times where a block took 1 minute, theres been times where a block took 3 hours
1993 2011-04-27 18:14:08 <xxxxxxx> Diablo-D3, i mean thats what we were talking about, if you were to find an extremely small hash, that could take the place of like the past 10 blocks or osmething
1994 2011-04-27 18:14:19 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx: almost
1995 2011-04-27 18:14:22 <Diablo-D3> but you're approaching it wrong
1996 2011-04-27 18:14:30 <xxxxxxx> but ur saying the size of the hash is not jsut < x its between x and y
1997 2011-04-27 18:14:32 <Diablo-D3> you live solve correct diff blocks extremely fast
1998 2011-04-27 18:14:38 <Diablo-D3> like 10 in 10 minutes
1999 2011-04-27 18:14:41 <Diablo-D3> you'll outrun the network
2000 2011-04-27 18:14:48 <xxxxxxx> yea i get that
2001 2011-04-27 18:14:51 <Diablo-D3> you just need to make sure you dont lose the advantage
2002 2011-04-27 18:14:55 <skyewm> how big is the network right now?
2003 2011-04-27 18:15:05 <skyewm> like is this actually completely infeasible?
2004 2011-04-27 18:15:09 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: at least a thousand, most likely no more than a million
2005 2011-04-27 18:15:19 <Diablo-D3> no one knows due to the fact the network software itself does not map things
2006 2011-04-27 18:15:23 <xxxxxxx> cant u just join the irc channel and check
2007 2011-04-27 18:15:32 <Diablo-D3> clients wont join the irc channel if they have enough peers
2008 2011-04-27 18:15:37 <xxxxxxx> ah ic
2009 2011-04-27 18:15:40 <Diablo-D3> they just use peer xchg after that
2010 2011-04-27 18:16:08 <skyewm> O(1000) machines isn't that many...
2011 2011-04-27 18:16:17 <skyewm> I mean, granted there isn't a huge incentive to disrupt the network :)
2012 2011-04-27 18:16:18 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: "machines" is a funny number
2013 2011-04-27 18:16:23 <Diablo-D3> art has "one machine"
2014 2011-04-27 18:16:40 <grbgout> "art"?
2015 2011-04-27 18:16:40 <Diablo-D3> its 5 boxes with 4 5970s in them, plus all his fabbed chip miners
2016 2011-04-27 18:16:45 <grbgout> oh, ArtForz
2017 2011-04-27 18:16:45 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz
2018 2011-04-27 18:16:45 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: you may be thinking that the target has been connected before or is always connected.  in the real world the ISP has options, but I would love to be proven wrong so I can stop woring about it
2019 2011-04-27 18:16:58 <Diablo-D3> one "box" that has like 9000 ghash
2020 2011-04-27 18:17:03 <grbgout> wow
2021 2011-04-27 18:17:14 <grbgout> I wonder if he gives out loans ^_^
2022 2011-04-27 18:17:21 <skyewm> it should be possible to get an estimate of the total computational power of the network right?
2023 2011-04-27 18:17:28 <skyewm> I guess that's a more relevant statistic
2024 2011-04-27 18:17:29 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: your attack nodes that promote only your chain obviously have to have been connected for awhile
2025 2011-04-27 18:17:43 <Diablo-D3> its not an attack that you can just launch and have it work now
2026 2011-04-27 18:17:46 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: only to me
2027 2011-04-27 18:17:47 <Diablo-D3> you gotta sneak up on it
2028 2011-04-27 18:18:02 <Diablo-D3> skyewm: total estimate? yeah, we have a graph
2029 2011-04-27 18:18:03 <grbgout> Diablo-D3: my cable is almost done, just have to shape the Square plug into the other shape --- trapazoid?
2030 2011-04-27 18:18:07 <Diablo-D3> I just cant remmeber where it is
2031 2011-04-27 18:18:27 <Diablo-D3> grbgout: rectangle?
2032 2011-04-27 18:18:30 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: or as I do to create new chain to another solo system that has never seen the net that lets me create or continue a chain
2033 2011-04-27 18:18:32 <grbgout> Diablo-D3: nah
2034 2011-04-27 18:18:44 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: wait, to simulate an attack?
2035 2011-04-27 18:18:47 <grbgout> http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/3329/pcieplugdiagramoa5.png
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2037 2011-04-27 18:19:02 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: start a new chain, dont let them connect to the net, change your chain's name
2038 2011-04-27 18:19:13 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: and then let it run for a length and start trying to attack it
2039 2011-04-27 18:19:21 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: no I create new chains,  I would like someone to simulate an attack on it yes
2040 2011-04-27 18:19:34 <Diablo-D3> grbgout: well, its technically a hex
2041 2011-04-27 18:19:36 <Diablo-D3> grbgout: 6 sides
2042 2011-04-27 18:19:40 <grbgout> sacarlson: have you played around with testnet-in-a-box?
2043 2011-04-27 18:19:43 <grbgout> Diablo-D3: haha, good point.
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2045 2011-04-27 18:19:56 <Diablo-D3> grbgout: everyone else just calls those keyed square pins
2046 2011-04-27 18:20:10 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: no as I did accedently on testnet with the old copy no one was on it so my system created the chain from zero
2047 2011-04-27 18:20:19 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: /me shrugs
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2051 2011-04-27 18:20:53 <sacarlson> grbgout: no I havn't but I guess my proto might be similar
2052 2011-04-27 18:21:22 <grbgout> sacarlson: not familiar with what you're doing/trying.
2053 2011-04-27 18:21:35 <grbgout> just takin' a break from soldering fumes
2054 2011-04-27 18:21:52 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx, skyewm: but yeah, this entire attack is dead if you cant live mine extremely fast
2055 2011-04-27 18:21:52 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6648.msg97122#msg97122
2056 2011-04-27 18:21:55 <luke-jr> testing please
2057 2011-04-27 18:22:23 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx, skyewm: the attack is dead if you cant get past 50% and get very lucky early on and you NEED nodes forcing your fork
2058 2011-04-27 18:22:27 <Elrond> Anyone familiar with cpuminer?
2059 2011-04-27 18:22:34 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx, skyewm: if you're closer to 100%, then you might not need the nodes
2060 2011-04-27 18:22:45 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx, skyewm: if you're closer to 200%, then jesus christ just mine normally you noob
2061 2011-04-27 18:22:51 <xxxxxxx> haha
2062 2011-04-27 18:23:03 <luke-jr> Elrond: use or code?
2063 2011-04-27 18:23:08 <Diablo-D3> also, I think we've crossed the 1Thash/sec line
2064 2011-04-27 18:23:28 <ArtForzZy> doesn't look like it
2065 2011-04-27 18:23:57 <grbgout> Elrond: I'd say jg... oh noez, he isn't here, tab-complete fail.  There's a z in his name too... and a k....
2066 2011-04-27 18:23:57 <ArtForzZy> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png
2067 2011-04-27 18:24:10 <Blitzboom> so are we the most powerful distributed computing project yet?
2068 2011-04-27 18:24:13 <Elrond> luke-jr - more code. I have tried various compile options (linux, 32bit), and it's still slower than the default bitcoind from the normal repos.
2069 2011-04-27 18:24:14 <Diablo-D3> ahh not quite
2070 2011-04-27 18:24:14 <ArtForzZy> nope
2071 2011-04-27 18:24:18 <Diablo-D3> AAALMOST 1 thash
2072 2011-04-27 18:24:24 <ArtForzZy> missing about a factor of 2 to F@H
2073 2011-04-27 18:24:31 <luke-jr> Elrond: try -a sse2_64
2074 2011-04-27 18:24:32 <Diablo-D3> at 1 thash, thats like, 333 thousand 5870s
2075 2011-04-27 18:24:48 <grbgout> F@H is completely voluntary, right?  They don't get paid for that, do they?
2076 2011-04-27 18:24:54 <Elrond> grbgout - I was looking for him. ;)
2077 2011-04-27 18:25:03 <Blitzboom> yes, it is
2078 2011-04-27 18:25:04 <luke-jr> ArtForzZy: care to put a miner or two on my pool? ;)
2079 2011-04-27 18:25:08 <ArtForzZy> more like 2900
2080 2011-04-27 18:25:08 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx, skyewm: thats your attack size, 333 thousand 5870s.
2081 2011-04-27 18:25:10 <Blitzboom> but you get a big e-penis for doing it
2082 2011-04-27 18:25:16 <grbgout> Elrond: have you tweaked the -algo runtime option?
2083 2011-04-27 18:25:19 <Elrond> luke-jr - sse2_64 does not work on a 32 bit box.
2084 2011-04-27 18:25:29 <luke-jr> Elrond: this is true
2085 2011-04-27 18:25:34 <luke-jr> Elrond: make a 64-bit VM
2086 2011-04-27 18:25:53 <Elrond> grbgout - I tried them all, changing GCC options around. The best currently is -algo c with "-msse2". Strange enough.
2087 2011-04-27 18:26:05 <Diablo-D3> 1 ghash == 3 5870s give or take
2088 2011-04-27 18:26:11 <Diablo-D3> so, okay, 3000 5870s
2089 2011-04-27 18:26:13 <Diablo-D3> I did my math wrong
2090 2011-04-27 18:26:27 <luke-jr> ArtForzZy: ?
2091 2011-04-27 18:26:29 <Diablo-D3> xxxxxxx, skyewm: thats your attack size, 3000 5870s.
2092 2011-04-27 18:26:37 <Diablo-D3> where the fuck are you going to get 3000 5870s
2093 2011-04-27 18:26:41 <ArtForzZy> what's two orders of magnitude between friends?
2094 2011-04-27 18:26:42 <skyewm> haha ok
2095 2011-04-27 18:26:49 <grbgout> ArtForzZy: lol
2096 2011-04-27 18:26:56 <Diablo-D3> even taxpayer dollars cant help
2097 2011-04-27 18:27:10 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: it would be cheaper to pay off the ISP to divert port 8333
2098 2011-04-27 18:27:12 <Diablo-D3> they'd need some sort of nuclear power plant to power the fucking thing
2099 2011-04-27 18:27:21 <Diablo-D3> it'd be cheaper TO ASSASSINATE PEOPLE
2100 2011-04-27 18:27:43 <Blitzboom> it’d be cheaper to take down mtgox
2101 2011-04-27 18:27:49 <Diablo-D3> theres your ultimate attack. just kill important bitcoin people.
2102 2011-04-27 18:27:50 <grbgout> 3000 5870s would be 564000 Watts per card alone.
2103 2011-04-27 18:27:52 <Diablo-D3> you cant beat it.
2104 2011-04-27 18:27:55 <ArtForzZy> fuck no, if govt built it it'd cost 100 million, be 3 years late and completely obsolete when it finally works
2105 2011-04-27 18:28:03 <grbgout> sorry
2106 2011-04-27 18:28:05 <Blitzboom> haha
2107 2011-04-27 18:28:08 <grbgout> s/per card/for the cards/
2108 2011-04-27 18:28:22 <Elrond> luke-jr, grbgout - I'm considering to try to link cpuminer to my systems cryptopp library (used by bitcoind), which seems to be lots faster (1.4 MH/s instead of 1.15 MH/s for my cpuminer build)
2109 2011-04-27 18:28:28 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZy: 3 years late? it'd be about where you'll be in 3 years >_>
2110 2011-04-27 18:28:52 <luke-jr> Elrond: you do realize how pointless this is, right?
2111 2011-04-27 18:28:53 <grbgout> Elrond: do you have a GPU that can handle mining?
2112 2011-04-27 18:29:09 <Diablo-D3> cpu mining is pretty most not cost effective
2113 2011-04-27 18:29:11 <Diablo-D3> power costs too much
2114 2011-04-27 18:29:11 <Elrond> grbgout - only some intel gpu. ;-|
2115 2011-04-27 18:29:17 <grbgout> Elrond: dang :(
2116 2011-04-27 18:29:24 <Elrond> luke-jr - What?
2117 2011-04-27 18:29:25 <grbgout> CPU mining is not cost effective.
2118 2011-04-27 18:29:29 <luke-jr> Elrond: CPU mining
2119 2011-04-27 18:29:37 <luke-jr> Elrond: even if you had a good CPU, it wouldn't be worth it
2120 2011-04-27 18:29:44 <ArtForzZy> did anyone say cpu mining yet?
2121 2011-04-27 18:29:46 <Elrond> It's more like the fun. ;-)
2122 2011-04-27 18:29:48 <luke-jr> I only CPU mine for testing my pool :p
2123 2011-04-27 18:29:56 <grbgout> Elrond: then that's all that matters, ignore the nay sayers.
2124 2011-04-27 18:30:00 <luke-jr> Elrond: want to test my pool? :P
2125 2011-04-27 18:30:19 <ArtForzZy> doing it for fun and to understand the algo is perfectly fine
2126 2011-04-27 18:30:23 <Elrond> luke-jr - sure?
2127 2011-04-27 18:30:24 <skyewm> how much faster are gpus than cpus?
2128 2011-04-27 18:30:28 <luke-jr> Elrond: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6648.msg97122#msg97122
2129 2011-04-27 18:30:28 <skyewm> I'm just here to learn :P
2130 2011-04-27 18:30:31 <grbgout> skyewm: orders of magnitude
2131 2011-04-27 18:30:46 <grbgout> skyewm: check out GPGPU.org
2132 2011-04-27 18:30:53 <luke-jr> skyewm: nvidia, about 5 times; ATI, about 10-100 times
2133 2011-04-27 18:31:18 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: last I checked nvidias are only 1/2 atis (for shas)
2134 2011-04-27 18:31:25 <luke-jr> 5-50*
2135 2011-04-27 18:31:34 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: test my pool :P
2136 2011-04-27 18:31:42 <grbgout> My nVidia only gets 21Mhash :(
2137 2011-04-27 18:31:47 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: stop pulling numbers out your ass
2138 2011-04-27 18:31:58 <grbgout> yeah, they smell awful.
2139 2011-04-27 18:32:08 <ArtForzZy> ARGH
2140 2011-04-27 18:32:09 <skyewm> so ~150,000 CPUs worth on the network... maybe google can launch an attack? ;)
2141 2011-04-27 18:32:09 <luke-jr> grbgout: ok, so nvidia is only 1.5 times :P
2142 2011-04-27 18:32:16 <ArtForzZy> bbl
2143 2011-04-27 18:32:45 <grbgout> luke-jr: /my/ nvidia
2144 2011-04-27 18:32:50 <grbgout> ;;bc,calc 21571
2145 2011-04-27 18:32:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 21571 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 30 weeks, 2 days, 19 hours, 33 minutes, and 1 second
2146 2011-04-27 18:32:52 <luke-jr> grbgout: :P
2147 2011-04-27 18:33:28 <grbgout> ;;bc,calc 300000
2148 2011-04-27 18:33:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 2 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 14 minutes, and 59 seconds
2149 2011-04-27 18:35:03 <skyewm> what's the deal with DDoS attacks?
2150 2011-04-27 18:35:09 <skyewm> I've seen mention of those while lurking here :P
2151 2011-04-27 18:35:28 <grbgout> skyewm: targetting whom, pools?
2152 2011-04-27 18:35:34 <Elrond> luke-jr - Okay, booting up cpuminer for your pool... Takes a bit, need to create new key. ;)
2153 2011-04-27 18:36:01 <grbgout> Elrond: new key?
2154 2011-04-27 18:36:03 <skyewm> I don't know, I've heard people mentioning DDoS
2155 2011-04-27 18:36:23 <sacarlson> my small net could easily be subject to ddos attacks if a high powered system started to mine in it over some time and left then then slower minners that take over would take some time to find the next block
2156 2011-04-27 18:37:20 <Elrond> grbgout - New 1* thing. Where payment should go. ;)
2157 2011-04-27 18:37:22 <sacarlson> that would make transactions take much longer
2158 2011-04-27 18:37:53 <skyewm> sacarlson: ? that's an attack?
2159 2011-04-27 18:38:16 <sacarlson> skyewm: that's what I would call it if you slowed transaction times
2160 2011-04-27 18:38:55 <sacarlson> it might take days or weeks to verify a transaction in worst case
2161 2011-04-27 18:39:07 <skyewm> sacarlson: you're saying the attacker would raise the difficulty?
2162 2011-04-27 18:39:16 <sacarlson> skyewm: yes
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2164 2011-04-27 18:39:42 <sacarlson> skyewm: only on a small net like mine,  not likly on bitcoin main
2165 2011-04-27 18:40:01 <grbgout> Elrond: ah, those are addresses.  Pretty simple to get a new one: /path/to/bitcoin getnewaddress
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2167 2011-04-27 18:40:15 <luke-jr> yay someone else is testing pool
2168 2011-04-27 18:40:18 * luke-jr wonders who
2169 2011-04-27 18:40:20 <grbgout> Better still, /path/to/bitcoin getnewaddress "Elrond"
2170 2011-04-27 18:40:27 <Elrond> luke-jr - 1E8* is me.
2171 2011-04-27 18:40:33 <luke-jr> Elrond: aha, thanks ☺
2172 2011-04-27 18:41:02 <Elrond> grbgout - getnewaddress "Mining" ;o)
2173 2011-04-27 18:41:26 <Elrond> luke-jr - Yeah, one share just went to your pool. ;)
2174 2011-04-27 18:42:50 <luke-jr> Elrond: if we find a block now, yours gets 0.33 BTC :P
2175 2011-04-27 18:42:54 <sacarlson> I guess even on bitcoin now that the pools are getting so big with two main players if one or both went down for a time and back up again might cause a spike in difficulty to make transactions take longer for a time
2176 2011-04-27 18:43:11 <Elrond> luke-jr - Weee. ;-))
2177 2011-04-27 18:43:18 * BlueMatt just about had a heart attack when he noticed limechat was written by satoshi nakagawa
2178 2011-04-27 18:43:25 <BlueMatt> easy to mistake on a small screen
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2180 2011-04-27 18:47:37 <Elrond> luke-jr - How many people take part in your pool?
2181 2011-04-27 18:47:45 <luke-jr> Elrond: you're the first besides me :P
2182 2011-04-27 18:47:55 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: link?
2183 2011-04-27 18:47:57 <Elrond> *lol* ;-)
2184 2011-04-27 18:47:58 <BlueMatt> found a block yet?
2185 2011-04-27 18:48:01 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6648.msg97122#msg97122
2186 2011-04-27 18:48:03 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no
2187 2011-04-27 18:48:14 xxxxxxx is now known as xxxxxxx`brb
2188 2011-04-27 18:48:36 xxxxxxx`brb is now known as xxxxxxx
2189 2011-04-27 18:49:56 <Elrond> Oh, my second share. ;-)
2190 2011-04-27 18:51:06 <Elrond> And 67 conns on my normal bitcoind... what do all those people want there?!
2191 2011-04-27 18:51:16 <luke-jr> my CPU has 7 shares so far
2192 2011-04-27 18:51:19 <luke-jr> and my GPU, 178
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2202 2011-04-27 19:31:33 <CIA-89> Bitcoin: gavinandresen * r251 /trunk/ (43 files in 10 dirs): Version 0.3.21 release, files copied from the git tree.
2203 2011-04-27 19:32:08 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: guess we're out of rc then?
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2205 2011-04-27 19:35:08 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I just downloaded a final
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2207 2011-04-27 19:35:54 <BlueMatt> :)
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2210 2011-04-27 19:39:13 <BlueMatt> nanotube: can we get a topic chage?
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2212 2011-04-27 19:39:27 <BlueMatt> change*
2213 2011-04-27 19:40:22 <nanotube> is new version released?
2214 2011-04-27 19:40:27 <BlueMatt> 0.3.21
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2216 2011-04-27 19:40:38 <nanotube> bitcoin.org is still on .20
2217 2011-04-27 19:40:56 <BlueMatt> sf disagrees
2218 2011-04-27 19:40:59 <BlueMatt> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.21/
2219 2011-04-27 19:41:12 <BlueMatt> lack of rc on the filenames
2220 2011-04-27 19:41:49 <luke-jr> no Mac ver yet
2221 2011-04-27 19:42:02 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: don't you want to test my pool?
2222 2011-04-27 19:42:31 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: sorry, slush takes ever so slightly less
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2224 2011-04-27 19:42:35 <nanotube> ;;topic change 3 s/20.02/21/
2225 2011-04-27 19:42:39 <BlueMatt> unless your pool becomes popular
2226 2011-04-27 19:42:45 <BlueMatt> :)
2227 2011-04-27 19:42:46 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: what?
2228 2011-04-27 19:42:53 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: slush takes a whole 2%
2229 2011-04-27 19:43:08 <BlueMatt> dont you take .0000X btc per minute a block isnt found?
2230 2011-04-27 19:43:13 <luke-jr> no
2231 2011-04-27 19:43:18 <luke-jr> .00000001 per second
2232 2011-04-27 19:43:26 <luke-jr> so .00087 per day
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2234 2011-04-27 19:44:23 <[Tycho]> Wow, pool that takes money if block is not found :) Something new.
2235 2011-04-27 19:44:23 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: yup, 0.3.21 is Officially Released.  (mac version soon... one of these days I'll get around to recreating laszlo's mac build environment on my mac....)
2236 2011-04-27 19:44:41 <BlueMatt> Ive tried, still havnt gotten it to work
2237 2011-04-27 19:44:44 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: it comes out of the next block reward :P
2238 2011-04-27 19:45:06 <BlueMatt> meh, I dont care to switch...too lazy
2239 2011-04-27 19:46:25 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rf3ab6ba60f4f gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoin/ (Manifest bitcoin-0.3.21.ebuild): net-p2p/bitcoin: 0.3.21 final http://tinyurl.com/6gsnkev
2240 2011-04-27 19:46:40 <Vladimir> forum is down
2241 2011-04-27 19:47:26 <luke-jr> definitely gavinandresen's fault
2242 2011-04-27 19:47:38 <BlueMatt> everything is gavin's fault
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2244 2011-04-27 19:47:55 <gavinandresen> I didn't do it, I was taking my daughter to ballet.....
2245 2011-04-27 19:48:04 <luke-jr> suuuuuure
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2247 2011-04-27 19:49:51 <nanotube> gavinandresen: btw, how about releasing a blockchain snapshot on the sf.net frs?
2248 2011-04-27 19:50:01 <nanotube> (along with a gpg signature file so people can verify?)
2249 2011-04-27 19:50:13 <nanotube> iirc we talked about that earlier, and also iirc you thought it was a good idea :)
2250 2011-04-27 19:50:27 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
2251 2011-04-27 19:50:29 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120541 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 418 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 57 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 107977.21641190
2252 2011-04-27 19:50:49 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: anyhow, don't switch for the rewards then; switch to help test XD
2253 2011-04-27 19:51:11 <BlueMatt> meh Im not even mining atm, I am working my ass off to make my monthly folding target
2254 2011-04-27 19:51:12 <topi`> can anyone send me a fraction of a bitcoin ? :) testing out a new installation and i can't access my "normal" bitcoin wallet now
2255 2011-04-27 19:51:16 <BlueMatt> everything is going towards that atm
2256 2011-04-27 19:51:39 <topi`> (because my machine is at home, behind a stupid firewall)
2257 2011-04-27 19:51:42 <luke-jr> topi`: address?
2258 2011-04-27 19:51:43 <gavinandresen> nanotube:  do you have a sourceforge account?  Want to volunteer to upload it with a README explaining what to do with it?
2259 2011-04-27 19:52:20 <nanotube> gavinandresen: sure i have an sf account, and sure i can upload it... but only you can upload a gpg signature file using your key :)
2260 2011-04-27 19:53:08 <Elrond> topi` - If you're happy with 1/1000 BTC? ;o))
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2262 2011-04-27 19:53:41 <topi`> how do I use 'getnewaddress' API call? (i'm trying to figure out how to find out the address of my bitcoind)
2263 2011-04-27 19:53:47 <BlueMatt> also, luke-jr your pool creates fees when I try to spend my minuscule payouts
2264 2011-04-27 19:53:55 <topi`> since I started running bitcoind, it has already created 100 addresses, shouldn't it?
2265 2011-04-27 19:53:56 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: only if you use a buggy client
2266 2011-04-27 19:54:00 <Elrond> topi` - bitcoind getnewaddress "Some string"
2267 2011-04-27 19:54:06 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: or a CPU miner I guess
2268 2011-04-27 19:54:19 <topi`> Elrond: what's the meaning of "Some string"?
2269 2011-04-27 19:54:32 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: kinda defeats the purpose of mining
2270 2011-04-27 19:54:37 <luke-jr> topi`: label for internal accounting
2271 2011-04-27 19:54:41 <topi`> right!
2272 2011-04-27 19:54:43 <Elrond> topi` - It's the "account". Some sort of pool.
2273 2011-04-27 19:54:49 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: you don't have a GPU?
2274 2011-04-27 19:55:04 <Elrond> topi` - All btc for all adresses in that pool get merged.
2275 2011-04-27 19:55:11 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yes but the purpose of mining is that anyone can get btc over time
2276 2011-04-27 19:55:15 <luke-jr> Elrond: erm, no
2277 2011-04-27 19:55:27 <BlueMatt> and even with my gpu, if I want to spend 100 btc, Ill end up paying a fee
2278 2011-04-27 19:55:42 <Elrond> luke-jr - Hmm, then what?
2279 2011-04-27 19:56:09 <luke-jr> Elrond: when you receive coins at that address, it adds the value to the account
2280 2011-04-27 19:56:19 <luke-jr> there is no coin:account link
2281 2011-04-27 19:56:21 <topi`> it's a torture to try out the API in python ;) "ERROR: params must be an array" :)
2282 2011-04-27 19:56:59 <topi`>  u'result': u'1KupuQyyGdEBcroLfMaQrNy8mmL8REsK8A'
2283 2011-04-27 19:57:14 <topi`> so this is one of the addresses for the new wallet.dat?
2284 2011-04-27 19:57:24 <luke-jr> topi`: 10 TBC sent
2285 2011-04-27 19:58:15 <topi`> thanks, i'll do a listtransactions
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2289 2011-04-27 20:00:57 <Elrond> Seems I'm too stupid for the "sendfrom" command...
2290 2011-04-27 20:01:08 <Tritonio> bitcoin forum looks down...
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2292 2011-04-27 20:02:02 <topi`> thanks for the 1048576 fractions of a coin! :)
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2294 2011-04-27 20:02:33 <Insti> forum down?
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2296 2011-04-27 20:03:06 <Elrond> topi` - Hmmm. I wanted to send you a fraction... but that stupid thing says "invalid amount". :-|
2297 2011-04-27 20:03:18 <topi`> what kind of fraction was that?
2298 2011-04-27 20:03:51 <Elrond> 0.001 ;o))
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2301 2011-04-27 20:05:09 <luke-jr> topi`: that's 10 TBC
2302 2011-04-27 20:05:16 <luke-jr> and closer to 0.01
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2304 2011-04-27 20:05:18 <luke-jr> (BTC)
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2311 2011-04-27 20:11:17 <Elrond> I remember, something about amounts less than 0.01 would only work with 0.3.21?
2312 2011-04-27 20:11:28 <BlueMatt> Elrond: yep
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2314 2011-04-27 20:11:48 <BlueMatt> they should display and be able to transfer properly in .21
2315 2011-04-27 20:12:31 <Elrond> Stupid question: Why has it taken so long for this to be fixed?
2316 2011-04-27 20:14:12 <BlueMatt> Elrond: welcome to floss, stuff doesnt get done very quickly
2317 2011-04-27 20:14:35 <Elrond> hehe, okay. :-)
2318 2011-04-27 20:14:40 <Elrond> I know floss very well.
2319 2011-04-27 20:14:44 <BlueMatt> and the stuff that should be high priority isnt, its the stuff that is the most fun to code
2320 2011-04-27 20:15:30 <BlueMatt> :)
2321 2011-04-27 20:15:52 <Elrond> Hmm. I code the stuff, that makes me interact with users. ;-)
2322 2011-04-27 20:15:59 <gavinandresen> patches welcome.  Just be aware that we're extra super paranoid because this is open source FINANCIAL software
2323 2011-04-27 20:16:31 <BlueMatt> we are?
2324 2011-04-27 20:16:33 <BlueMatt> since when?
2325 2011-04-27 20:16:45 <gavinandresen> ok, I'm extra super paranoid.
2326 2011-04-27 20:16:52 <gavinandresen> about code changes, anyway.
2327 2011-04-27 20:16:55 <Elrond> gavinandresen - I'm currently not in "send patches" mode.  Got pissed a month back...
2328 2011-04-27 20:17:01 <Elrond> (not by this project)
2329 2011-04-27 20:17:02 <BlueMatt> I dont seem to recall anyone mentioning any kind of review of upnp before it was pulled
2330 2011-04-27 20:17:24 <gavinandresen> I read the upnp code before I pulled it.
2331 2011-04-27 20:17:43 <BlueMatt> ok, well at least someone cares about the financial part of this
2332 2011-04-27 20:18:31 <Blitzboom> hopefully the CIA won’t be able to brainwash gavin somehow
2333 2011-04-27 20:18:41 <Blitzboom> (it was time for a conspiracy theory)
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2335 2011-04-27 20:18:57 <BlueMatt> Dont we have enough?
2336 2011-04-27 20:19:05 <gavinandresen> the beautiful thing is I don't think I could do any harm even if I was brainwashed....
2337 2011-04-27 20:19:07 <Blitzboom> only regarding satoshi
2338 2011-04-27 20:19:25 <BlueMatt> like the CIA put a backdoor in openbsd's whatever-it-was
2339 2011-04-27 20:19:27 <lyspooner> mister mister, can i have your watch when you are dead?
2340 2011-04-27 20:20:44 <BlueMatt> (sarcasm again, just in case someone missed that)
2341 2011-04-27 20:22:10 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: patches welcome? since when?
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2343 2011-04-27 20:23:28 <noot> ;;bc,gen 1302000
2344 2011-04-27 20:23:29 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1302000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 14.1810797447 BTC per day and 0.590878322696 BTC per hour.
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2349 2011-04-27 20:33:26 <sneak> bitcoin.org mysqld getting overloaded
2350 2011-04-27 20:34:03 <BlueMatt> sneak: really? do you watch referrers?
2351 2011-04-27 20:34:07 <BlueMatt> wheres it coming from?
2352 2011-04-27 20:34:11 <sneak> no idea
2353 2011-04-27 20:34:19 <sneak> but i am getting errors from both smf and the main drupal site
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2355 2011-04-27 20:34:29 <sneak> unable to connect to db, too many connections
2356 2011-04-27 20:34:43 * sneak does not have access to the server
2357 2011-04-27 20:34:46 * sneak is just reporting the problem
2358 2011-04-27 20:34:54 <BlueMatt> who runs the server?
2359 2011-04-27 20:35:06 * sneak shrugs
2360 2011-04-27 20:35:16 <BlueMatt> oh, sorry, my bad
2361 2011-04-27 20:35:45 <BlueMatt> got you confused with sirius
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2365 2011-04-27 20:39:14 <gruez> Connection Problems Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later.
2366 2011-04-27 20:39:16 <gruez> damn
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2368 2011-04-27 20:39:28 <BlueMatt> my bet's on ddos
2369 2011-04-27 20:39:37 <BlueMatt> dont know who though, anonymous likes us
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2375 2011-04-27 20:45:09 <BlueMatt> ;;seen sirius
2376 2011-04-27 20:45:10 <gribble> sirius was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 7 hours, 34 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <sirius> cool that creating a block is worth almost 100 bucks
2377 2011-04-27 20:47:23 <lyspooner> *sirius leaves to create a block
2378 2011-04-27 20:48:40 <fimp_> BlueMatt, where has anonymous stated they like bitcoin?
2379 2011-04-27 20:49:14 <BlueMatt> fimp_: the guy who runs anonnews used to be here occasionally, said there was some positive chatter about bitcoin on anon-related sites
2380 2011-04-27 20:49:33 <fimp_> k
2381 2011-04-27 20:49:36 <Blitzboom> anonymous would be huge idiots for NOT supporting us
2382 2011-04-27 20:50:25 <nanotube> sirius: maybe we should host bitcoin.org on sf.net project web space? should be... much more resistant to going down due to traffic.
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2384 2011-04-27 20:50:50 <BlueMatt> nanotube: can we migrate forum data easily?
2385 2011-04-27 20:51:13 <nanotube> BlueMatt: as long as it's just in a mysql table, yes.
2386 2011-04-27 20:51:33 <nanotube> but even if not - we can host bitcoin.org front page on sf.net prweb
2387 2011-04-27 20:51:42 <BlueMatt> true
2388 2011-04-27 20:51:44 <nanotube> even if smf remains elsewhere
2389 2011-04-27 20:51:50 <nanotube> just looks bad when front page goes down. :)
2390 2011-04-27 20:51:55 <nanotube> we could host the wiki on sf.net too
2391 2011-04-27 20:56:45 <freemoney> homepage is up for me
2392 2011-04-27 20:57:13 <BlueMatt> freemoney: off and on
2393 2011-04-27 20:57:23 <grbgout> what homepage is that?
2394 2011-04-27 20:57:32 <freemoney> bitcoin.org
2395 2011-04-27 20:57:36 <grbgout> uh oh
2396 2011-04-27 20:57:38 <freemoney> i only tried it just now
2397 2011-04-27 20:58:01 <grbgout> Unreachable for me, and isitup.org
2398 2011-04-27 20:58:21 <devrandom> BlueMatt - what exact version of miniupnpc should we build with?  the latest gives me compile errors
2399 2011-04-27 20:58:43 <BlueMatt> devrandom: 1.5 for unix/mac nightly-before-current for win32
2400 2011-04-27 20:58:51 <BlueMatt> (it was pulled when it was latest)
2401 2011-04-27 21:00:37 <devrandom> /home/ubuntu/install/include/miniupnpc/miniupnpc.h:53: error: too few arguments to function ‘UPNPDev* upnpDiscover(int, const char*, const char*, int, int, int*)’
2402 2011-04-27 21:00:37 <devrandom> net.cpp:903: error: at this point in file
2403 2011-04-27 21:00:45 <devrandom> this is with the latest 1.5 release (there are multiple)
2404 2011-04-27 21:00:47 <topi`> my bitcoind has 94 connections to it, is this normal or excessive?
2405 2011-04-27 21:01:14 <topi`> if I run bitcoin client on my latop (which is behind a DSL subscriber line) then I usually only see 8 connections. what's the reason for the discrepancy?
2406 2011-04-27 21:01:15 <BlueMatt> devrandom: no those are nightly
2407 2011-04-27 21:01:18 <BlueMatt> or some other release
2408 2011-04-27 21:01:28 <BlueMatt> I dont get their release methods, but there should be a 1.5
2409 2011-04-27 21:01:32 <BlueMatt> that has no additional numbers
2410 2011-04-27 21:01:47 <devrandom> okay, I must be looking at the wrong thing
2411 2011-04-27 21:02:02 <BlueMatt> its marked stable iirc
2412 2011-04-27 21:02:17 <devrandom> oh yeah
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2416 2011-04-27 21:04:06 <brocktice> So I heard the forum is down?
2417 2011-04-27 21:04:09 <brocktice> what's this about overclock.net?
2418 2011-04-27 21:04:21 <BlueMatt> brocktice: forum + bitcoin.org + bitcoin wiki is down
2419 2011-04-27 21:04:24 <BlueMatt> overloaded it seems
2420 2011-04-27 21:04:37 <brocktice> oh I see
2421 2011-04-27 21:04:53 <brocktice> someone decided to post on a forum full of GPU fanatics about how they can make money from their cards
2422 2011-04-27 21:04:56 * brocktice headdesks
2423 2011-04-27 21:05:07 <brocktice> http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide.html
2424 2011-04-27 21:05:15 * BlueMatt headdesk
2425 2011-04-27 21:05:18 <AmpEater> lol
2426 2011-04-27 21:05:19 <brocktice> bitcoin.org is up at the moment
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2428 2011-04-27 21:05:25 <AmpEater> diff is gonna rise!!!
2429 2011-04-27 21:05:31 <BlueMatt> homepage is mostly up
2430 2011-04-27 21:05:32 <brocktice> a lot
2431 2011-04-27 21:05:35 <BlueMatt> forums is down
2432 2011-04-27 21:05:37 <dust1> yeah although it's amazing how long people kept it quiet
2433 2011-04-27 21:05:39 <AmpEater> alooooottttt
2434 2011-04-27 21:06:08 <brocktice> BTW I think I have the most awesome rig ever posted in their 5970 owners' forum
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2438 2011-04-27 21:06:11 <brocktice> :)
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2440 2011-04-27 21:06:20 <brocktice> Nobody else is using 3 cards, water cooled, for anything
2441 2011-04-27 21:06:28 <brocktice> You can't even game with that
2442 2011-04-27 21:06:35 <brocktice> I mean, you can, but not using all the cards
2443 2011-04-27 21:08:07 <gjs278> there's a guy on hardforum with quad sli nvidia 580s
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2447 2011-04-27 21:08:14 <xxxxxxx> hrm
2448 2011-04-27 21:09:08 <Stellar> there is extra 5-7 on deepbit lol
2449 2011-04-27 21:09:12 <Stellar> *ghz
2450 2011-04-27 21:09:21 <xxxxxxx> there are some algos which a gpu can't do (faster) than a cpu right?  I wonder how much faster a custom chip/fpga/wahtever would process algos lke that tho
2451 2011-04-27 21:09:21 <Stellar> ermm ghps...
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2453 2011-04-27 21:14:20 <topi`> is there a way to limit the amount of connections to my bitcoind? I think the huge amount of connections (>90) is the reason why its eating 8-15% of cpu
2454 2011-04-27 21:14:33 <BlueMatt> check -help
2455 2011-04-27 21:14:34 <nanotube> topi`: iirc there's a config for that.
2456 2011-04-27 21:14:40 <BlueMatt> there is a -maxconnections or something like that
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2459 2011-04-27 21:17:21 <luke-jr> topi`: try -noirc
2460 2011-04-27 21:17:49 <topi`> thanks
2461 2011-04-27 21:17:50 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: problem is hes getting a ton of incomming ones
2462 2011-04-27 21:17:57 <BlueMatt> hence -noirc wont help
2463 2011-04-27 21:18:03 <grbgout> Where is the IRC channel/server that bitcoin connects to?
2464 2011-04-27 21:18:08 <grbgout> I suppose I could just grok the source....
2465 2011-04-27 21:18:12 <BlueMatt> #bitcoin on lfnode
2466 2011-04-27 21:18:19 <BlueMatt> iirc
2467 2011-04-27 21:18:25 <topi`> BlueMatt: my server is on a 100 Mbps low latency connection to the biggest ip exchange in Finland
2468 2011-04-27 21:18:29 <grbgout> That sounds right, I think it's even mentioned in the FAQ.
2469 2011-04-27 21:18:39 <topi`> so a much, much lower latency than any DSL subscriber line
2470 2011-04-27 21:18:46 <topi`> I think that's why it's having so many connections
2471 2011-04-27 21:18:54 <BlueMatt> topi`: doesnt actually matter
2472 2011-04-27 21:18:58 <topi`> problem is, my CPU is a 500mhz cortex-a8 :(
2473 2011-04-27 21:19:12 <topi`> so the CPU is quite pegged by the traffic.
2474 2011-04-27 21:19:13 <BlueMatt> nodes connect indiscriminately no matter what kind of connection they get
2475 2011-04-27 21:19:46 <BlueMatt> yea verifying txes and blocks can get cpu intensive
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2479 2011-04-27 21:22:08 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,mtgox
2480 2011-04-27 21:22:09 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.95,"low":1.71,"vol":32924,"buy":1.92,"sell":1.922,"last":1.92}}
2481 2011-04-27 21:22:10 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
2482 2011-04-27 21:22:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120550 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 409 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 6 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 107795.64189443
2483 2011-04-27 21:22:40 <dust1> BlueMatt: is there a downside to having a slow CPU on a mining computer?
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2485 2011-04-27 21:22:58 <dust1> would it increase the chance of gettinga  stale block?
2486 2011-04-27 21:23:07 <midnightmagic> no
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2488 2011-04-27 21:23:19 <BlueMatt> dust1: it just means you spend a ton of power and get next to nothing
2489 2011-04-27 21:23:43 <dust1> no i mean, say having 2 5970s and a sempron
2490 2011-04-27 21:23:57 <dust1> in the future, if there are lots of transactions, will the cpu bottleneck?
2491 2011-04-27 21:24:51 <midnightmagic> dust1: no, it won't increase your chance to any degree a human would notice. the work ask rate is your stale block thingie, not the host cpu.
2492 2011-04-27 21:25:20 <nanotube> midnightmagic: well, the cpu that's running the bitcoind and processing incoming tx, and providing the getworks... :)
2493 2011-04-27 21:25:33 <dust1> nanotube: that's what i'm thinking about
2494 2011-04-27 21:25:46 <dust1> if there are many transactions, could the cpu fall behind
2495 2011-04-27 21:25:47 <midnightmagic> yeah, but he only has two (or maybe just one) miner getting work.
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2497 2011-04-27 21:25:55 <nanotube> dust1: dunno what the tx rate has to be in order to peg a cpu, though.
2498 2011-04-27 21:26:05 <nanotube> a few orders of magnitude more than what it is now. :)
2499 2011-04-27 21:26:32 <midnightmagic> and it's probably localhost
2500 2011-04-27 21:26:36 <nanotube> midnightmagic: but there are also transactions to verify, network traffic to relay, etc.
2501 2011-04-27 21:26:56 <dust1> just checked a 2x5970 + Sempron 140 2.7GHz box
2502 2011-04-27 21:27:06 <dust1> its at around .5 load
2503 2011-04-27 21:27:14 <dust1> *it's
2504 2011-04-27 21:27:15 <midnightmagic> load is meaningless
2505 2011-04-27 21:27:19 <midnightmagic> ignore machine load.
2506 2011-04-27 21:27:34 <midnightmagic> how much CPU is your bitcoind consuming right now?
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2508 2011-04-27 21:27:40 <midnightmagic> take a peek at top
2509 2011-04-27 21:27:49 <dust1> 2%
2510 2011-04-27 21:28:05 <dust1> 1-5% actually
2511 2011-04-27 21:28:20 <dust1> and this on has a lot of connections too
2512 2011-04-27 21:28:29 <BlueMatt> dont worry about it
2513 2011-04-27 21:28:29 <dust1> your right that is the better measure
2514 2011-04-27 21:28:33 <midnightmagic> CPU is not going to be a problem for you. bitcoind is threaded. besides that, Linux will use both CPU, no problem.
2515 2011-04-27 21:28:47 <dust1> single core :)
2516 2011-04-27 21:29:05 <midnightmagic> ah, sorry, of course. 2.7GHz. anyway, still doesn't matter.
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2518 2011-04-27 21:29:28 <midnightmagic> i have bitcoind running on a duron 1200.
2519 2011-04-27 21:29:29 <dust1> i know it's not a problem now, just curious if it would matter in the future
2520 2011-04-27 21:29:33 <midnightmagic> it's doing just fine there.
2521 2011-04-27 21:29:47 <nanotube> dust1: probably by the time it becomes a problem... the 5970s will be useless as well. :)
2522 2011-04-27 21:29:53 <dust1> true
2523 2011-04-27 21:30:01 <nanotube> so don't worry about it
2524 2011-04-27 21:30:18 <midnightmagic> not for the foreseeable future unless something big happens to propel transaction volume into the stratosphere.
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2526 2011-04-27 21:31:36 <topi`> what's the difference between 'move', 'sendfrom' and 'sendtoaddress' ?
2527 2011-04-27 21:31:45 <midnightmagic> just keep an eye on your CPU if you're concerned, and map avg CPU over time. nagios or santa or bigbrother, or mrtg or whatever the new hotness is these days can give you some nice graphs over time and you can very quickly see at a glance whether your machine is getting loaded down. i personally would be more concerned about drive space anyway.
2528 2011-04-27 21:32:21 <nanotube> topi`: iirc, move and sendfrom have to do with accounts. sendtoaddress has to do with addresses. see ,,(bc,wiki accounts)
2529 2011-04-27 21:32:21 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Accounts_explained | Feb 27, 2011 ... Accounts are named with arbitrary strings; you may use any JSON string other than "*" (JSON strings are sent and returned as UTF-8 encoded ...
2530 2011-04-27 21:32:43 <topi`> exactly
2531 2011-04-27 21:32:46 <midnightmagic> move lets you shuffle between local accounts (run bitcoind listaccounts to get a list), sendfrom lets you choose a local account to send coins from (but will steal from other local accounts if it needs to, putting the sendfrom into the negative) and sendtoaddress is a "don't care where they come from" command. (but I'm not sure about the last one.)
2532 2011-04-27 21:32:53 <topi`> i'll use "sendtoaddress" then
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2534 2011-04-27 21:33:07 <midnightmagic> i use sendfrom since i make extensive use of account names.
2535 2011-04-27 21:34:08 <midnightmagic> i use sendfrom in all my ฿ sends (to mtgox, and people, and merchants, and automated websites and such)
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2542 2011-04-27 21:43:47 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: IRC is how you easily get incoming connections
2543 2011-04-27 21:44:03 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: only somewhat true
2544 2011-04-27 21:44:21 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: help test plzzzzzz
2545 2011-04-27 21:44:41 <BlueMatt> as I said, cant till the 1st
2546 2011-04-27 21:44:45 <luke-jr> o
2547 2011-04-27 21:44:59 <BlueMatt> need to meet my folding target this mongth
2548 2011-04-27 21:45:01 <BlueMatt> month*
2549 2011-04-27 21:45:10 <topi`> how do I interpret the 'fee' field? I sent an amount of 0.01 and then the 'fee' field is set to 0.01048576
2550 2011-04-27 21:45:16 <Blitzboom> why? epenis?
2551 2011-04-27 21:45:30 <topi`> is this something that my client decided to do as a kind of default setting?
2552 2011-04-27 21:45:33 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: payment
2553 2011-04-27 21:45:40 <Blitzboom> they pay for folding?
2554 2011-04-27 21:45:47 <BlueMatt> some people do
2555 2011-04-27 21:45:52 <Blitzboom> why do they?
2556 2011-04-27 21:46:10 <dust1> this is the opposite of overclock
2557 2011-04-27 21:46:11 <BlueMatt> because it helps the community, so they pay to make themselves look good
2558 2011-04-27 21:46:14 <dust1> "They pay for bitcoins?"
2559 2011-04-27 21:46:30 <Blitzboom> dust1: yeah, but bitcoin is a currency
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2561 2011-04-27 21:46:34 <luke-jr> topi`: thaat's with 0.3.21?
2562 2011-04-27 21:46:38 <Blitzboom> folding is just for science
2563 2011-04-27 21:46:53 <Blitzboom> it won’t get you anything more than an epenis
2564 2011-04-27 21:47:02 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: I get paid
2565 2011-04-27 21:47:12 <Blitzboom> yeah, that’s why i’m wondering why people pay
2566 2011-04-27 21:47:29 <BlueMatt> it helps science, some sites like to look good like that
2567 2011-04-27 21:47:41 <Blitzboom> ok
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2569 2011-04-27 21:49:37 <topi`> luke-jr: yes, the 'version' is 32001
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2571 2011-04-27 21:49:53 <luke-jr> topi`: …
2572 2011-04-27 21:50:30 <topi`> i'm writing a small python script that lets me send some btc's, so I'm filling up the JSON with params
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2574 2011-04-27 21:51:07 <BlueMatt> yay /smf is up again
2575 2011-04-27 21:51:08 <topi`>     params = [btcaddr, amount]
2576 2011-04-27 21:51:09 <topi`>   postdata = {'id': 'json', 'method': meth, 'params': params}
2577 2011-04-27 21:51:24 <topi`> and then i'm just json.dumps(postdata) and sending it over the rpc
2578 2011-04-27 21:51:40 <luke-jr> topi`: … fail
2579 2011-04-27 21:51:49 <topi`> what's wrong?
2580 2011-04-27 21:51:51 <luke-jr> install bitcoinrpc python module
2581 2011-04-27 21:52:15 <luke-jr> import jsonrpc; jsonrpc.ServiceProxy('http://…').method(params)
2582 2011-04-27 21:52:24 <luke-jr> also read the wiki
2583 2011-04-27 21:53:02 <topi`> i always write everything myself :D
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2585 2011-04-27 21:53:13 <topi`> but then again, stubborn ppl deserve to suffer.
2586 2011-04-27 21:53:17 <Elrond> topi` - 32001 sounds oldish. My 0.3.20.2 has 32002.
2587 2011-04-27 21:53:41 <topi`> oh, it was 32100
2588 2011-04-27 21:53:53 <Elrond> Ahh.
2589 2011-04-27 21:54:56 <topi`> luke-jr: judging from the new balance, I think it sent the remaining 0.01048576 btc (which you sent) as a transfer fee to somebody
2590 2011-04-27 21:54:59 <topi`> but who?
2591 2011-04-27 21:55:29 <Elrond> topi` - The one to generate the next block.
2592 2011-04-27 21:55:42 <topi`> evidently it chose that amount as a tx fee because that was all there was left, after 0.01 and your transfer
2593 2011-04-27 21:55:47 <BlueMatt> topi`: outputs which result in your own coins being less than 0.01 means the rest go as fee
2594 2011-04-27 21:55:57 <BlueMatt> because otherwise you couldnt spend them
2595 2011-04-27 21:56:26 <Elrond> BlueMatt - I thought, that was also fixed in .21?
2596 2011-04-27 21:56:35 <BlueMatt> Elrond: thats not a bug
2597 2011-04-27 21:56:45 <topi`> but the balance was 0.02048 (before) and 0.0 (after) and the transfer amount was 0.01
2598 2011-04-27 21:56:46 <BlueMatt> though it might have been changed
2599 2011-04-27 21:56:47 <luke-jr> Elrond: not when you have very low balances
2600 2011-04-27 21:56:48 <BlueMatt> I dont know
2601 2011-04-27 21:57:00 <BlueMatt> topace: how many inputs?
2602 2011-04-27 21:57:07 <cosurgi> will we get a slashdot story when we hit 2.0 USD ?
2603 2011-04-27 21:57:07 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it appears, 2 inputs
2604 2011-04-27 21:57:15 <luke-jr> cosurgi: hopefully
2605 2011-04-27 21:57:16 <topi`> how do you calculate the amount of inputs?
2606 2011-04-27 21:57:20 <luke-jr> cosurgi: also, we already hit it
2607 2011-04-27 21:57:20 <topi`> by looking at the block?
2608 2011-04-27 21:57:28 <cosurgi> that will drive it up to 3.0 USD :)
2609 2011-04-27 21:57:38 <cosurgi> we did?
2610 2011-04-27 21:57:39 <cosurgi> heh
2611 2011-04-27 21:57:46 <luke-jr> I sold at $2 at least
2612 2011-04-27 21:58:12 <topi`> how do I find the block, if the txid for the transaction is 1048845fc2a16673cc1f432af299fd75d44166f5d05d094e435ee10c00a49314
2613 2011-04-27 21:58:32 <cosurgi> blockexplorer is your friend
2614 2011-04-27 21:58:41 <Elrond> luke-jr - What the hack has my balance to do with that?!
2615 2011-04-27 21:59:08 <midnightmagic> i don't see $2 anywhere?
2616 2011-04-27 21:59:25 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: OTC
2617 2011-04-27 21:59:30 <midnightmagic> ah
2618 2011-04-27 21:59:33 <cosurgi> 2-2*.65/100=1.987
2619 2011-04-27 21:59:35 <BlueMatt> really close on mtg
2620 2011-04-27 21:59:59 <midnightmagic> hovering around $1.92-$1.95
2621 2011-04-27 22:00:07 <BlueMatt> matched all-time high of 1.95
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2633 2011-04-27 22:20:24 <topi`> I limited the # of connections to 10, now the bitcoind is using less cpu, by a magnitude of 10
2634 2011-04-27 22:23:57 <phantomcircuit> topi`, yeah there's a race condition iirc, you receive transactions from mutiple peers roughyl simultaneously, but the de duplication code doesn't run until after it's been verified
2635 2011-04-27 22:24:06 <phantomcircuit> so you have multiple verification threads running
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2637 2011-04-27 22:25:25 <Elrond> I'll probably just remove the 8333 entry again from my firewalls allow list. ;o)
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2643 2011-04-27 22:27:52 <topi`> :)
2644 2011-04-27 22:28:18 <lulzplzkthx> Any new news coverage of Bitcoin since the Time article?
2645 2011-04-27 22:28:21 <BlueMatt> Elrond: bad for the network, but have fun
2646 2011-04-27 22:29:05 <xxxxxxx> that time article was only onlien not in the mag right ?
2647 2011-04-27 22:30:13 <lulzplzkthx> i think that's correct xxxxxxx
2648 2011-04-27 22:30:39 <citiz3n> anyone have link to time article?
2649 2011-04-27 22:31:06 <citiz3n> nvm, google found it
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2651 2011-04-27 22:34:10 <topi`> very odd, my bitcoind just got stuck on a rpc call. I even tried to kill the daemon, but it doesn't die, so I assume that some thread is badly stuck
2652 2011-04-27 22:34:26 <topi`> anyone experienced something like that? maybe it's worth to debug what's happening?
2653 2011-04-27 22:34:35 <lulzplzkthx> ;;bc,mtgox
2654 2011-04-27 22:34:35 <Elrond> BlueMatt - It's eating my bandwidth, my cpu, my disk... (I might check the number of fsync()s maybe once...). Having that for fun to see the tail -f debug.log scroll, it nice. But it doesn't give me long term "fun". (say like running a big irc server. ;o) ).
2655 2011-04-27 22:34:36 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.95,"low":1.71,"vol":32036,"buy":1.9011,"sell":1.9363,"last":1.89}}
2656 2011-04-27 22:34:37 <phantomcircuit> topi`, linux?
2657 2011-04-27 22:35:31 <topi`> debian-unstable :)
2658 2011-04-27 22:35:37 <Elrond> topi` - I only was able to crash my bitcoind. ;o)
2659 2011-04-27 22:35:38 <topi`> these are the last lines in debug.log:
2660 2011-04-27 22:35:41 <topi`> ThreadRPCServer method=getaccountaddress
2661 2011-04-27 22:35:42 <topi`> accepted connection
2662 2011-04-27 22:35:42 <topi`> socket closed
2663 2011-04-27 22:35:42 <topi`> disconnecting node
2664 2011-04-27 22:35:42 <topi`> accepted connection
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2666 2011-04-27 22:36:35 <topi`> when I send the kill signal to it, nothing appears on the log, even though it should start to shutdown
2667 2011-04-27 22:37:03 <topi`> ah, more info on debug.log:
2668 2011-04-27 22:37:04 <topi`> socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
2669 2011-04-27 22:37:04 <topi`> disconnecting node
2670 2011-04-27 22:37:07 <Elrond> topi` - "bitcoind stop" doesn't help either?
2671 2011-04-27 22:37:49 <topi`> it gets stuck as well
2672 2011-04-27 22:38:01 <Elrond> Well, then kill-9. ;o)
2673 2011-04-27 22:38:03 <topi`> ctrl-c -> error: no response from server
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2675 2011-04-27 22:38:33 <topi`> no,i'll just connect gdb to it
2676 2011-04-27 22:38:45 <Elrond> Or that.
2677 2011-04-27 22:39:04 <topi`> damn, no debugging symbols :(
2678 2011-04-27 22:39:16 <Elrond> ... and threads. ;)
2679 2011-04-27 22:39:33 <topi`> yeah, gdb can't trace the stack
2680 2011-04-27 22:39:58 <Elrond> *duck* floss. ;o)
2681 2011-04-27 22:40:03 <topi`> it's only able to find that the pc is in nanosleep() in libpthread
2682 2011-04-27 22:40:37 <Elrond> You have libc6-dbg installed?
2683 2011-04-27 22:44:06 <midnightmagic> what's the new hotness for video card mining? are all 6950 unlockable?
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2685 2011-04-27 22:44:33 <midnightmagic> woops wrong place.
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2690 2011-04-27 22:53:03 <Elrond> Night people.
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2698 2011-04-27 23:05:35 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: just wanted to say i appreciate your nightlies :)
2699 2011-04-27 23:12:25 <necrodearia> hehe
2700 2011-04-27 23:12:29 <necrodearia> 1 second too late
2701 2011-04-27 23:13:13 <lulzplzkthx> oh damn
2702 2011-04-27 23:13:17 <lulzplzkthx> i didn't even notice that
2703 2011-04-27 23:13:20 <lulzplzkthx> lol
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2705 2011-04-27 23:13:28 <Androgynous> i thought you did it on purpose XD
2706 2011-04-27 23:13:46 <lulzplzkthx> lol, i used tab completition to make sure he was here too
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2719 2011-04-27 23:39:14 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt https://gist.github.com/806265 - ready to build, let me know how it works out
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