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  14 2011-04-28 00:23:02 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 484000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 1 week, 2 days, 11 hours, 38 minutes, and 3 seconds
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  23 2011-04-28 00:39:50 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 912000
  24 2011-04-28 00:39:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 912000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 5 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes, and 21 seconds
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  28 2011-04-28 00:45:35 <lulzplzkthx> wait
  29 2011-04-28 00:45:42 <lulzplzkthx> so in the latest bitcoin, the fee isn't voluntary?
  30 2011-04-28 00:45:51 <lulzplzkthx> at least, in the gui
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  33 2011-04-28 00:50:21 <lfm> it can still be zero
  34 2011-04-28 00:50:53 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: I had it set to zero, sent .05 BTC and was told it was "over the limit", which I'm unsure what that means, and that I needed to pay .01 BTC
  35 2011-04-28 00:51:31 <lfm> I think thats a bug then
  36 2011-04-28 00:52:46 <ArtForzZy> the message is badly worded I guess
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  40 2011-04-28 00:53:43 <ArtForz> but yes, stock client will refuse to create a transaction that has roughly a snowballs chance in hell of getting into a block (= one that needs a fee according to stock rules)
  41 2011-04-28 00:54:08 <lulzplzkthx> lol
  42 2011-04-28 00:54:21 <lulzplzkthx> well, i've done .05 payments with 0 transaction fees before
  43 2011-04-28 00:54:27 <lulzplzkthx> sure, it took a couple to a few hours in some cases, but.
  44 2011-04-28 00:54:41 <ArtForz> it's not a normal 0.05 transaction
  45 2011-04-28 00:54:50 <ArtForz> otherwise it wouldnt require a fee
  46 2011-04-28 00:54:56 <lulzplzkthx> how's it not normal?
  47 2011-04-28 00:55:03 <ArtForz> well, how would I know?
  48 2011-04-28 00:55:05 <lulzplzkthx> ol idk
  49 2011-04-28 00:55:07 <lulzplzkthx> lol idk*
  50 2011-04-28 00:55:12 inductor_ is now known as inductor
  51 2011-04-28 00:55:14 <lulzplzkthx> but you seem to know it isn't ;)
  52 2011-04-28 00:55:32 <lfm> cuz there are severakl possible reasons
  53 2011-04-28 00:55:46 <ArtForz> my guess is either made up of shitloads of very small inputs (= too big), or somehow creates a sub-0.01 output
  54 2011-04-28 00:56:12 <lulzplzkthx> o.o okay.
  55 2011-04-28 00:56:39 <doublec> I have that too from coins that were made up of lots of small inputs
  56 2011-04-28 00:56:48 <doublec> from pools. also the faucet money can have that problem.
  57 2011-04-28 00:57:05 <ArtForz> well, with 1btc made from 0.01 inputs it's easy
  58 2011-04-28 00:57:11 <ArtForz> but for a single 0.05 tx?
  59 2011-04-28 00:57:18 <lulzplzkthx> aha, okay. i do a bunch of double or nothing, so it could get messy with inputs
  60 2011-04-28 00:57:22 <lulzplzkthx> (lots of small going in and out)
  61 2011-04-28 00:57:28 <ArtForz> yeah, that could cause it
  62 2011-04-28 00:58:28 <ArtForz> iirc any tx over 10kB (9?) automatically requires a fee of 0.01/kB, which normally isn't a problem as each input is only 250 bytes or so
  63 2011-04-28 00:58:43 <lulzplzkthx> interesting.
  64 2011-04-28 00:58:52 <ArtForz> so normally you only run into it north of 40 inputs
  65 2011-04-28 00:59:10 <lulzplzkthx> :S that doesn't sound right then.
  66 2011-04-28 00:59:14 <lulzplzkthx> idk, weird.
  67 2011-04-28 00:59:20 <ArtForz> yeah, weird indeed
  68 2011-04-28 00:59:33 <lulzplzkthx> also, for my OCDness: the client's box for Send is a little small (send and cancel are squished)?
  69 2011-04-28 00:59:49 <lulzplzkthx> or did i somehow get stuck with the nightly build and think i had the normal release?
  70 2011-04-28 00:59:55 <ArtForz> hmmm... not here
  71 2011-04-28 01:00:04 <lulzplzkthx> What's the version in Help > About?
  72 2011-04-28 01:00:14 <lulzplzkthx> 0.3.21-beta or 0.3.21?
  73 2011-04-28 01:00:25 <ArtForz> nightly build here
  74 2011-04-28 01:00:27 <ArtForz> maybe depends on your OS and font settings?
  75 2011-04-28 01:00:28 <lulzplzkthx> oh
  76 2011-04-28 01:00:34 <lulzplzkthx> well
  77 2011-04-28 01:00:38 <lulzplzkthx> i doubt it, if it's using wxWidgets
  78 2011-04-28 01:00:42 <lulzplzkthx> wxWidgets i think can handle that?
  79 2011-04-28 01:00:47 <lulzplzkthx> and it was fine back with 0.3.20
  80 2011-04-28 01:00:55 <ArtForz> it should be, if you don't do stupid stuff
  81 2011-04-28 01:01:08 <lulzplzkthx> lol
  82 2011-04-28 01:01:23 <lulzplzkthx> alright, well i'm off, i have finals tomorrow, and need to study, sorry for my slight spam above ^
  83 2011-04-28 01:01:41 <ArtForz> but I doubt our wx usage is really in the "by the book" category
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  85 2011-04-28 01:03:04 <bk128> has anyone used catalyst control center to manually set their radeon fan speed then still had their fan speed randomly change?
  86 2011-04-28 01:03:20 <ArtForz> yes
  87 2011-04-28 01:03:44 <ArtForz> same shit happens on linux occasionally
  88 2011-04-28 01:03:59 <bk128> came home today and my card was at 95 degrees C
  89 2011-04-28 01:04:11 <bk128> the second I open the control panel though it speeds up again
  90 2011-04-28 01:04:12 <bk128> any fix?
  91 2011-04-28 01:04:18 <ArtForz> only had it when I ran cards pretty hot, my guess is somehow throttling sometimes resets fan to auto
  92 2011-04-28 01:04:22 <kika> ArtForz: do you have idea what command line i need to use with diablominer for a 6870?
  93 2011-04-28 01:05:01 <ArtForz> really, ATIs driver is ... ugh.
  94 2011-04-28 01:05:21 <bk128> ArtForz: I was using default 880MHz clock on a 6970, it was keeping it around 66-70C
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  96 2011-04-28 01:05:33 <ArtForz> hurrr... no, then def. shouldnt happen
  97 2011-04-28 01:05:54 <ArtForz> I "fixed" it for my 5xxx in a very... hacky way
  98 2011-04-28 01:05:59 <bk128> how?
  99 2011-04-28 01:06:09 <ArtForz> I'mn running a daemon that monitors core temps and adjusts fan speed once a second
 100 2011-04-28 01:06:30 <ArtForz> using ati ADL library
 101 2011-04-28 01:06:52 <ArtForz> so even if the driver decides to reset fan to auto, it just gets set back to where it should be a second later
 102 2011-04-28 01:07:12 <bk128> any way to do that with a 6970 on win xp/ win7?
 103 2011-04-28 01:07:20 <ArtForz> yep
 104 2011-04-28 01:07:30 <bk128> easy?
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 106 2011-04-28 01:07:58 <ArtForz> well, you just need a wrapper for the ADL lib
 107 2011-04-28 01:08:37 <ArtForz> my whole daemon is like 200 lines of C, with PID control and logging
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 109 2011-04-28 01:09:48 <bk128> well I have no idea how to do that :)
 110 2011-04-28 01:09:57 <ArtForz> about half of it is just enumerating cards (need to figure out which GPUs are a 5970)
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 114 2011-04-28 01:10:58 <ArtForz> 5970s have the fan controller connected to the primary gpu, yet setting it based on max or avg temp of primary+secondary sounds like a good idea
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 117 2011-04-28 01:11:57 <ArtForz> so I have to pretty much guess from device ID #s, sequence in list and presence/absence of a fan controller which is which
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 119 2011-04-28 01:12:29 <bk128> oh
 120 2011-04-28 01:12:36 <bk128> so it'd be easier on the 6970
 121 2011-04-28 01:12:39 <ArtForz> yep
 122 2011-04-28 01:13:34 <bk128> isnt there just a windows version of the adl lib? http://developer.amd.com/gpu/adlsdk/pages/default.aspx
 123 2011-04-28 01:13:44 <ArtForz> adl is crossplatform
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 125 2011-04-28 01:13:56 <bk128> what do you mean i need a wrapper?
 126 2011-04-28 01:13:57 <ArtForz> available on win & linux, 32 and 64 bit
 127 2011-04-28 01:14:39 <ArtForz> well, something so you can just call ADL_Overdrive5_FanSpeed_Set once every few seconds or so
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 129 2011-04-28 01:18:01 <ArtForz> someone should write a python wrapper for it
 130 2011-04-28 01:18:34 <ArtForz> it can do lots of useful shit, but the whole library architecture/interface is... ugh.
 131 2011-04-28 01:19:36 <bk128> so is catalyst control center essentially a wrapper for the adl lib too?
 132 2011-04-28 01:19:44 <ArtForz> yep
 133 2011-04-28 01:19:46 <Vladimir> ArtFortz: could you tell us more specifically which useful shit it can do?
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 135 2011-04-28 01:20:08 <ArtForz> anything CCC can do pretty much
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 137 2011-04-28 01:20:52 <ArtForz> reading temp/activity/clock, setting clocks and fanspeed, enabling/disabling outputs, setting custom screen timings, creating multihead layouts, lots of other things I didnt look into much
 138 2011-04-28 01:20:53 <Vladimir>  does it include changing bios limits on memclocks?
 139 2011-04-28 01:20:59 <ArtForz> nope
 140 2011-04-28 01:21:22 <ArtForz> well, that linux amd overclock thingy does just that
 141 2011-04-28 01:21:33 <ArtForz> call ADL with clock you specify
 142 2011-04-28 01:21:43 <ArtForz> while ignoring the min/max limits reported
 143 2011-04-28 01:21:45 <Vladimir> linux amd overclock thingy?
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 145 2011-04-28 01:21:57 <ArtForz> yeah, whatever its name is
 146 2011-04-28 01:22:15 <ArtForz> Qt or some such shit
 147 2011-04-28 01:22:23 <ArtForz> AmdClockTool ?
 148 2011-04-28 01:22:44 <Vladimir> aha, found it, thanks
 149 2011-04-28 01:24:26 <ArtForz> can't remember, saw gui, went "eww"
 150 2011-04-28 01:24:47 <Vladimir> http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1128/AMD%20GPU%20Clock%20Tool%20v0.9.8.html
 151 2011-04-28 01:25:31 <ArtForz> nah, thats the old windows one
 152 2011-04-28 01:25:31 <Vladimir> though based on screen shot, I'd say that it is just a wrapper round --odgc --od-sc
 153 2011-04-28 01:25:40 <Vladimir> --odsc
 154 2011-04-28 01:26:23 <ArtForz> nope
 155 2011-04-28 01:26:43 <ArtForz> aticonfig honors the min/max clock limits reported by ADL
 156 2011-04-28 01:27:00 <ArtForz> seems with some drivers you can just set clocks outside of that range and it works
 157 2011-04-28 01:28:10 <ArtForz> http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?27995-new-overclocking-tool-AMDOverdriveCtrl
 158 2011-04-28 01:28:13 <ArtForz> probably that one
 159 2011-04-28 01:29:31 <Vladimir> http://sourceforge.net/projects/amdovdrvctrl/
 160 2011-04-28 01:29:42 <Vladimir> interesting
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 162 2011-04-28 01:30:57 <Vladimir> definitely something worth looking into, thanks again
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 165 2011-04-28 01:33:18 <Vladimir> http://ignum.dl.sourceforge.net/project/amdovdrvctrl/QuickStartGuide.pdf - direct link to some description of this
 166 2011-04-28 01:33:52 <Androgynous> sorry guys
 167 2011-04-28 01:33:54 <Androgynous> won't work
 168 2011-04-28 01:34:01 <Androgynous> my CPU won't support the install
 169 2011-04-28 01:34:36 <Androgynous> i need my processor to have Intel® SSE 4.1 or higher
 170 2011-04-28 01:34:48 <ArtForz> *blink* what?
 171 2011-04-28 01:34:55 <Androgynous> dangit
 172 2011-04-28 01:34:56 <Androgynous> sorry
 173 2011-04-28 01:35:01 <Androgynous> wrong chat <<
 174 2011-04-28 01:35:34 <Androgynous> the WOT looks the same between the bitcoin rooms
 175 2011-04-28 01:36:10 xxxxxxx is now known as x5x
 176 2011-04-28 01:36:34 <Vladimir> if this is simply a wrapper around adl than this adl seems to be quite potent stuff and than there are sources...
 177 2011-04-28 01:36:42 theymos has joined
 178 2011-04-28 01:37:08 <Vladimir> I am going to have some fun with it this week I guess
 179 2011-04-28 01:37:09 <ArtForz> well, it's on SF, easy enough to check ;)
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 181 2011-04-28 01:37:30 <ArtForz> but yeah, adl can be used to do fun stuff
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 184 2011-04-28 01:41:51 <Vladimir> from that pdf: Call “AMDOverdriveCtrl my_settings.ovdr --batch-mode” to set values without gui
 185 2011-04-28 01:42:08 <Vladimir> not completely useless after all
 186 2011-04-28 01:43:49 <Kiba> hello.
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 188 2011-04-28 01:47:49 <kika> does anyone here know why diablominer works at 200mhash/s if i use deepbit and it runs at 10mhash if i use my own pushpool pool ?
 189 2011-04-28 01:51:24 <bk128> so is there anyone who can write a python wrapper to do the pid fan control on windows?
 190 2011-04-28 01:51:29 <bk128> I'll pay a few btc
 191 2011-04-28 01:52:46 <bk128> maybe we can get a bounty on it
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 196 2011-04-28 02:06:03 <dotblank> gah bit coins are getting too expensive..
 197 2011-04-28 02:06:07 <dotblank> ugh
 198 2011-04-28 02:06:11 <luke-jr> dotblank: so buy less?
 199 2011-04-28 02:06:25 <luke-jr> prices should be dropping with it
 200 2011-04-28 02:06:34 <dotblank> well i'm like the value will go do its just stuff from the press and it will drop soon
 201 2011-04-28 02:07:06 <dotblank> down*
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 203 2011-04-28 02:08:14 <AmpEater> I wouldn't take that bet
 204 2011-04-28 02:08:20 <AmpEater> (but thats just me)
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 207 2011-04-28 02:15:37 <mango> BTC @ 1.98!
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 209 2011-04-28 02:16:06 <AmpEater> hot damn
 210 2011-04-28 02:16:12 <AmpEater> beers on me!
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 212 2011-04-28 02:16:29 <mango> Next stop 2.50 - 2.75
 213 2011-04-28 02:16:33 <mango> easily
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 220 2011-04-28 02:29:39 <x5x> wait im confused, http://mtgox.com/trade/history , that shows an ask for 1000 bcn at 2.6 USD ?
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 222 2011-04-28 02:30:02 <x5x> does that mean if somone can sell 1000 bcn at 2.6 right now ?
 223 2011-04-28 02:30:50 <retinal> x5x: yes
 224 2011-04-28 02:30:54 <retinal> but there isn't any buyer
 225 2011-04-28 02:31:10 <retinal> bids = people willing to pay
 226 2011-04-28 02:31:15 <retinal> asks = people willing to sell
 227 2011-04-28 02:31:19 <nanotube> i can put an ask for 1million usd/btc... but i'll probably have to wait quite a while for that to be filled.
 228 2011-04-28 02:31:30 <x5x> ah i had it backwards
 229 2011-04-28 02:31:57 <retinal> nanotube: is that seriously even possible?
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 231 2011-04-28 02:32:14 <retinal> rather, does the mtgox interface support that?
 232 2011-04-28 02:32:32 <retinal> it'd be a great way to screw up all of the pretty graphs
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 234 2011-04-28 02:32:58 <nanotube> retinal: haha well, the mtgox display truncates the order book in a certain window around the bid-ask spread.
 235 2011-04-28 02:33:04 <nanotube> so the 1m ask won't even show up.
 236 2011-04-28 02:33:15 <nanotube> but hey, why don't i try it and see what happens :)
 237 2011-04-28 02:33:38 <retinal> :)
 238 2011-04-28 02:33:45 <x5x> cuz ask is usually the buy price
 239 2011-04-28 02:33:46 <x5x> does mtgox label it backwards or am i missing somthing
 240 2011-04-28 02:33:54 <retinal> I was going to test it out, but I don't have any funds in my mtgox account at the moment
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 242 2011-04-28 02:34:22 <retinal> x5x: nope, that's exactly how it's normally called
 243 2011-04-28 02:34:28 <nanotube> x5x: you're missing something. ask is normally the sell price :)
 244 2011-04-28 02:34:39 <nanotube> retinal: well i placed my 1m usd ask. see it anywhere? :)
 245 2011-04-28 02:34:47 <nanotube> it probably showed up on the websocket...
 246 2011-04-28 02:34:53 <nanotube> but other than that, nothing to show for it.
 247 2011-04-28 02:35:08 <retinal> hmm, nope
 248 2011-04-28 02:35:13 <retinal> I am diappointed :(
 249 2011-04-28 02:35:15 <retinal> no fun
 250 2011-04-28 02:35:44 <retinal> not on the depth of market list below the chart
 251 2011-04-28 02:36:23 <nanotube> right - as i said, it truncates.
 252 2011-04-28 02:36:37 <nanotube> but hey - at least we can all say that there's > 1m usd worth of bitcoin on offer on mtgox :)
 253 2011-04-28 02:36:38 <x5x> nanotube, ah ok, its cuz im used to forex, which is kinda reverse
 254 2011-04-28 02:36:53 <x5x> "A Forex asking price is the price at which the market is ready to sell a certain Forex Trading currency pair in the online Forex market. This is the price that the trader buys in."
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 256 2011-04-28 02:36:56 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 257 2011-04-28 02:36:57 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.98,"low":1.7201,"vol":43462,"buy":1.9798,"sell":1.9799,"last":1.9798}}
 258 2011-04-28 02:37:01 <nanotube> x5x: yea forex is weird, with the currency pairs and stuff. :)
 259 2011-04-28 02:37:25 <nanotube> x5x: mmm that actually sounds the same. ask is price market is ready to sell.
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 263 2011-04-28 02:37:33 <nanotube> so if you want to buy, that's what you'd pay.
 264 2011-04-28 02:37:47 <x5x> yea but, from teh buyers perspective, ask is the price they can buy at
 265 2011-04-28 02:37:58 <x5x> but in mtgox from teh buyers perspective, the bid is teh price they can buy at
 266 2011-04-28 02:38:11 <JFK911> ;;bc,stat
 267 2011-04-28 02:38:11 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
 268 2011-04-28 02:38:13 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 269 2011-04-28 02:38:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120584 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 375 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 107611.98065696
 270 2011-04-28 02:39:23 <nanotube> x5x: nope
 271 2011-04-28 02:39:36 <nanotube> 'best ask' is the lowest asking price. so it is the price you can buy at.
 272 2011-04-28 02:39:43 <nanotube> because someone is offering
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 274 2011-04-28 02:40:05 <Vladimir> forum got new record
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 276 2011-04-28 02:40:09 <Vladimir> Most Online Today: 609. Most Online Ever: 609 (Today at 02:31:37 am)
 277 2011-04-28 02:40:10 <nanotube> best bid is the highest price someone /wants/ to buy at, but not necessarily price you /can/ buy at.
 278 2011-04-28 02:40:17 <nanotube> only if a matching ask comes in.
 279 2011-04-28 02:40:23 <dissipate> Vladimir, why is the forum down? too much traffic?
 280 2011-04-28 02:40:27 <retinal> x5x: think auctions; the seller asks, the buyer bids
 281 2011-04-28 02:40:38 <Vladimir> given the record numbers this must be it
 282 2011-04-28 02:40:41 <x5x> nanotube, oh you can only buy it at the best ask ? not at any ask ?
 283 2011-04-28 02:40:57 <sacarlson> it might be a while before my 0.98 buy strike hits now
 284 2011-04-28 02:41:03 <dissipate> for the love of all that is unholy, why can't bitcoin.org and the forums get a decent host that can handle traffic spikes??
 285 2011-04-28 02:41:12 <nanotube> x5x: well, on automated order matching exchanges like mtgox, it'll automatically fill lowest ask.
 286 2011-04-28 02:41:26 <sirius> 500 guests on forum
 287 2011-04-28 02:41:27 <nanotube> if you want to pay a higher price, you can of course negotiate a deal OTC
 288 2011-04-28 02:41:40 <x5x> cuz there is an ask for bitcoins at 3USD, so ur saying the only reason u cant buy those at 3 is because its not the best ask price
 289 2011-04-28 02:41:43 <nanotube> sirius: saw my earlier comment? about moving site to sf.net projectweb?
 290 2011-04-28 02:42:00 <nanotube> x5x: i'll sell you some at $3 if you want. hell, i can even go to $5 :)
 291 2011-04-28 02:42:22 <Vladimir> well I have offered my help, and it is my speciality high load/high availability stuff, but they did not seem to be too interested
 292 2011-04-28 02:42:34 <jrabbit> sirius: is there a fast proxy infront of it for static content?
 293 2011-04-28 02:42:35 <sacarlson> otc is where is where my first buy in was at 0.75
 294 2011-04-28 02:42:45 <jrabbit> hell for all of it
 295 2011-04-28 02:43:09 <Vladimir> sirius: what kind of hardware are you running?
 296 2011-04-28 02:43:10 <sirius> nanotube: sf.net projectweb is quite limited
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 298 2011-04-28 02:43:15 <luke-jr> sirius: you got miners?
 299 2011-04-28 02:43:17 <sirius> unless they changed something since last year
 300 2011-04-28 02:43:29 <dissipate> Vladimir, at least you tried!
 301 2011-04-28 02:43:39 <nanotube> ;;whatis #sourceforge projectweb
 302 2011-04-28 02:43:39 <gribble> The documentation for project web services is available here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Project%20web
 303 2011-04-28 02:43:45 <nanotube> sirius: ^ they offer quite a bit of stuff.
 304 2011-04-28 02:43:59 <nanotube> it certainly is good enough to host the static front page for bitcoin.org
 305 2011-04-28 02:44:06 <x5x> mtgox shows "Ask	3	22.67", doesn't taht mean someone is asking to buy 22.67 bitcoins at 3USD a coin ?
 306 2011-04-28 02:44:09 <nanotube> and if the smf uses mysql, should be able to host smf as well.
 307 2011-04-28 02:44:28 <nanotube> x5x: no. it means they are willing to sell 22.67 coins at 3 each.
 308 2011-04-28 02:44:42 <dissipate> nanotube, it seems ycombinator linked directly to the bitcoin forums
 309 2011-04-28 02:44:55 <dissipate> for the thread about gavin go to the cia
 310 2011-04-28 02:44:59 <nanotube> dissipate: hehe ic
 311 2011-04-28 02:45:02 <sirius> well yeah, it should be fine for the static front page
 312 2011-04-28 02:45:28 <nanotube> they have very robust web hosting - it won't go down just because of a slashdotting :)
 313 2011-04-28 02:45:33 <sirius> the mysql was very slow when I tested it in 2009
 314 2011-04-28 02:45:45 <x5x> so its erallly theyre askign to buy USD with 22.67 bitcoins at the rate of 3.0 USD/BCN
 315 2011-04-28 02:45:47 <nanotube> so i'd strongly suggest to move at least the front page to sf.net. it looks really bad when project site is down. :)
 316 2011-04-28 02:45:57 <nanotube> sirius: they've improved a lot of stuff since then. 2009 was a bad year for sf. :)
 317 2011-04-28 02:46:10 <dissipate> and now bitcoin.org front page is down
 318 2011-04-28 02:46:15 <nanotube> x5x: sure, you can look at it like that :)
 319 2011-04-28 02:46:24 <luke-jr> any more miners want to help test my pool?
 320 2011-04-28 02:46:26 <dissipate> oh nevermind
 321 2011-04-28 02:46:28 <nanotube> but bitcoin markets usually phrase things it terms of btc, rather than other currencies.
 322 2011-04-28 02:46:30 <dissipate> it's just slow
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 324 2011-04-28 02:47:19 <Vladimir> ycombinator? link?
 325 2011-04-28 02:47:37 <Kiba> bitcoin.org is down?
 326 2011-04-28 02:47:46 <sacarlson> I'm looking to give away some weeds any body interested in 500 weeds for free to test
 327 2011-04-28 02:47:54 <Kiba> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2491830
 328 2011-04-28 02:48:04 <Vladimir> thanks
 329 2011-04-28 02:48:11 <luke-jr> sacarlson: why would anyone want weeds?
 330 2011-04-28 02:48:14 <luke-jr> give away grass
 331 2011-04-28 02:48:15 <sacarlson> only available to the first 10
 332 2011-04-28 02:48:27 <jrabbit> "Good to see something happening. I hadn't seen anything regarding Bitcoin on HN for about 24 hours and was starting to get worried.
 333 2011-04-28 02:48:30 <jrabbit> Lol
 334 2011-04-28 02:48:50 <x5x> ahahaha
 335 2011-04-28 02:49:01 <sacarlson> luke-jr because pu239 was already taken
 336 2011-04-28 02:49:15 <luke-jr> wtf?
 337 2011-04-28 02:50:04 <sacarlson> freenode #weeds
 338 2011-04-28 02:50:26 <luke-jr> sacarlson: so you don't have any switchgrass?
 339 2011-04-28 02:50:30 <sacarlson> is used as the bootstrap
 340 2011-04-28 02:50:44 <Freemoney> forum down?
 341 2011-04-28 02:50:52 <Freemoney> n/m
 342 2011-04-28 02:51:06 <sacarlson> luke-jr I don't know I'll have to check
 343 2011-04-28 02:51:30 <Freemoney> eh, slow maybe down again
 344 2011-04-28 02:51:34 <Freemoney> anyone else having trouble?
 345 2011-04-28 02:51:57 <doublec> yes
 346 2011-04-28 02:52:00 <doublec> ;;isitdown bitcoin.org
 347 2011-04-28 02:52:05 <gribble> http://bitcoin.org Is Down -> Check if your website is up or down?
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 349 2011-04-28 02:53:57 <sacarlson> I have added the specs for weeds into the file bitcoin.conf.weeds for this network to access from the multi net client found here https://github.com/sacarlson/bitcoin
 350 2011-04-28 02:54:27 <luke-jr> sacarlson: oh, are these weeds like carrots?
 351 2011-04-28 02:54:37 <sacarlson> luke-jr yes
 352 2011-04-28 02:54:45 <jrabbit> huh
 353 2011-04-28 02:54:56 <luke-jr> jrabbit: carrot is a competing crypto-commodity
 354 2011-04-28 02:55:03 <jrabbit> oh.
 355 2011-04-28 02:55:42 <Vladimir> we are going to be at 3$ by end of this week, I bet
 356 2011-04-28 02:56:09 <luke-jr> Vladimir: how much you bet?
 357 2011-04-28 02:56:37 <Vladimir> Gavin's trip to CIA is a prime material for slashdot, reddit and even more mainstreamish news
 358 2011-04-28 02:56:46 <AmpEater> indeed...
 359 2011-04-28 02:56:47 <jrabbit> ooh are there short-mid-long range bitcoin bet sites yet?
 360 2011-04-28 02:56:48 <AmpEater> hmm
 361 2011-04-28 02:57:04 <luke-jr> Vladimir: gavin should harden bitcoin before he goes IMO
 362 2011-04-28 02:57:09 <luke-jr> eg, randomize ports
 363 2011-04-28 02:57:10 <jrabbit> lol.
 364 2011-04-28 02:57:22 <luke-jr> right now, bitcoin is trivial to block
 365 2011-04-28 02:57:26 <dissipate> Vladimir, Gavin is going behind enemy lines!
 366 2011-04-28 02:57:31 <sacarlson> jrabbit: I've seen options offeres on otc for bitcoin
 367 2011-04-28 02:57:32 <jrabbit> luke-jr: paranoid
 368 2011-04-28 02:57:46 <jrabbit> sacarlson: lol @ weeds
 369 2011-04-28 02:57:53 <luke-jr> jrabbit: realistic
 370 2011-04-28 02:58:06 <Vladimir> I would say something about options, but it would sounds a shameless self promotion
 371 2011-04-28 02:58:11 <dissipate> Vladimir, what do you think about Gavin accepting the $3,000 blood money?
 372 2011-04-28 02:58:24 <Vladimir> I'd say ask for more
 373 2011-04-28 02:58:29 <jrabbit> luke-jr: this is more of a TOR situation, everyone wins
 374 2011-04-28 02:58:32 <dissipate> haha
 375 2011-04-28 02:58:33 <jrabbit> Vladimir: haha
 376 2011-04-28 02:58:56 <luke-jr> jrabbit: except then I have to figure out tor bs
 377 2011-04-28 02:59:06 <jrabbit> sacarlson: is there a market for weeds/carrots?
 378 2011-04-28 02:59:16 * jrabbit could speculatively mine them
 379 2011-04-28 02:59:17 <dissipate> Vladimir, the funny thing is that they think there is someone to 'negotiate' with. when in fact there isn't. the source is out, third party clients all over the place. Gavin is a figure head.
 380 2011-04-28 02:59:22 <Vladimir> nobody bought my carrot contracts
 381 2011-04-28 02:59:36 <jrabbit> dissipate: um
 382 2011-04-28 02:59:42 <jrabbit> they jsut asked for a tech talk
 383 2011-04-28 02:59:49 <jrabbit> luke-jr: um
 384 2011-04-28 02:59:50 <sacarlson> jrabbit: I have been offered to sell weeds for btc but I don't consider it ready for market yet it's only in it's test phase
 385 2011-04-28 02:59:59 <jrabbit> luke-jr: you realzie tor was made by the US Navy right?
 386 2011-04-28 03:00:07 <jrabbit> sacarlson: mhm
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 388 2011-04-28 03:00:25 <Vladimir> US Naval Intelligence, to be more specific
 389 2011-04-28 03:00:34 <jrabbit> luke-jr: theres alot for an intelligence agency to like about a crypto-currency
 390 2011-04-28 03:00:48 <jrabbit> they can pay sources not in USD, and it can't be traced to them
 391 2011-04-28 03:01:05 <luke-jr> jrabbit: ok so?
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 393 2011-04-28 03:01:57 <Vladimir> we need to ask Gavin to report if he hears some gigling from backbenches during his talk, if so we would know that it those giggling guys are the ones who set this whole thing in moiton :-)
 394 2011-04-28 03:02:28 <nanotube> Vladimir: haha
 395 2011-04-28 03:02:33 <nanotube> and if one of them looks japanese. :)
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 399 2011-04-28 03:04:11 <jrabbit> sacarlson: you misspelt miner in https://github.com/sacarlson/bitcoin/blob/master/create_new_genisis_block.txt#L55
 400 2011-04-28 03:04:40 <phantomcircuit> jrabbit, lol
 401 2011-04-28 03:04:46 <sacarlson> jrabbit: I'm a very bad speller but as long as people can read it that good enuf for me
 402 2011-04-28 03:06:08 <da2ce7> why is bitcoin getting slashdoted?
 403 2011-04-28 03:06:50 <Vladimir> CIA is going to run black money using bitcoin
 404 2011-04-28 03:06:56 <Vladimir> :-)
 405 2011-04-28 03:07:21 <AmpEater> weird transactions
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 407 2011-04-28 03:07:49 <phantomcircuit> smf is getting pwnt
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 409 2011-04-28 03:08:27 <jrabbit> Vladimir: "can we send cocaine over the internet now?"
 410 2011-04-28 03:08:50 <phantomcircuit> jrabbit, rofl
 411 2011-04-28 03:09:03 <Vladimir> yea I guess it will on Q&A session
 412 2011-04-28 03:09:07 <Vladimir> will be
 413 2011-04-28 03:09:34 <jrabbit> or maybe they'll be like the SCOTUS: "Is it like a pager?"
 414 2011-04-28 03:09:36 <sacarlson> jrabbit: seems #cocaine is avalable
 415 2011-04-28 03:10:19 <phantomcircuit> who runs bitcoin.org again?
 416 2011-04-28 03:10:50 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: whois bitcoin.org
 417 2011-04-28 03:10:51 <phantomcircuit> i think they need a donations pool for hosting
 418 2011-04-28 03:10:52 <phantomcircuit> lulz
 419 2011-04-28 03:10:53 <Vladimir> he's probably too busy to respond here
 420 2011-04-28 03:11:18 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, Anonymousspeech LLC?
 421 2011-04-28 03:12:37 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: ya I guess they don't want anyone to know
 422 2011-04-28 03:12:37 <phantomcircuit> meh covertinferno.org is falseinfo
 423 2011-04-28 03:12:37 <sacarlson> it was probly all financed by the CIA to start with
 424 2011-04-28 03:12:37 <phantomcircuit> and yet im pretty open about who i am
 425 2011-04-28 03:13:02 <dirtyfilthy> yeah i'd donate to a hosting pool
 426 2011-04-28 03:13:08 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: I"m stupid I put my name on everything
 427 2011-04-28 03:13:08 <skyewm> hey could anyone send me the nvidia opencl sdk for linux?
 428 2011-04-28 03:13:45 <skyewm> I didn't realize it takes up to five business days to register for an nvidia account...
 429 2011-04-28 03:14:03 <dirtyfilthy> five days! that's crazy
 430 2011-04-28 03:14:08 <phantomcircuit> that's ridiculous
 431 2011-04-28 03:14:23 <AmpEater> lol
 432 2011-04-28 03:14:35 <skyewm> yeah I'm pretty enraged atm
 433 2011-04-28 03:14:41 <skyewm> I'm hoping it actually takes more like 1 day to approve it
 434 2011-04-28 03:14:44 <sacarlson> skyewm: must be a torrent someplace
 435 2011-04-28 03:14:50 <skyewm> but I was sort of hoping to set up something now...
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 437 2011-04-28 03:15:11 <OVerLoRDI> bitcoin forums down?
 438 2011-04-28 03:15:17 <skyewm> sacarlson: I couldn't find one :(
 439 2011-04-28 03:15:44 <da2ce7> ;;isitdown bitcoin.org/smf/
 440 2011-04-28 03:15:49 <gribble> http://bitcoin.org Is Down -> Check if your website is up or down?
 441 2011-04-28 03:16:19 <sacarlson> skyewm: would this work http://www.kat.ph/nvidia-opencl-1-0-conformant-release-tools-utilities-t2716967.html
 442 2011-04-28 03:16:26 <Vladimir> lots of twits on Gavin's CIA gig... there is no such thing as bad publicity, isn't it?
 443 2011-04-28 03:16:36 <da2ce7> lol
 444 2011-04-28 03:16:59 <da2ce7> so this is all the CIA business
 445 2011-04-28 03:17:15 <OVerLoRDI> hey da2ce7 out of curiosity how much hashing power do you have?
 446 2011-04-28 03:17:23 <da2ce7> a bit.
 447 2011-04-28 03:17:24 <Vladimir> propose new headline: CIA dosed bitcoin.org
 448 2011-04-28 03:18:28 <da2ce7> well they have only killed the mysql so far
 449 2011-04-28 03:19:03 <da2ce7> https://twitter.com/search?q=bitcoin
 450 2011-04-28 03:19:12 tenach has quit (Quit: :|)
 451 2011-04-28 03:19:28 <da2ce7> we need a squid on top of the smf
 452 2011-04-28 03:19:28 kermit has joined
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 454 2011-04-28 03:19:56 <da2ce7> so it don't hit the mysql everytime somebody views the page
 455 2011-04-28 03:22:07 <noagendamarket> looks like the whole of twitter came to the forum at once
 456 2011-04-28 03:22:08 <Vladimir> not necessarily squid, but some hosting money and someone who knows what he is doing to advise
 457 2011-04-28 03:22:33 <nanotube> or just stuff it up into sf.net, and let their beefy servers eat the load. :)
 458 2011-04-28 03:22:52 <Vladimir> last time I seen forum online there were over 600 users, all time record
 459 2011-04-28 03:24:10 sabalaba has joined
 460 2011-04-28 03:24:26 <skyewm> sacarlson: oo looks promising, thanks!
 461 2011-04-28 03:24:33 <da2ce7> it getting hit hard man
 462 2011-04-28 03:25:05 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 463 2011-04-28 03:25:05 <noagendamarket> last time it went down like this was the first slashdot
 464 2011-04-28 03:25:06 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.98,"low":1.7201,"vol":43184,"buy":1.9415,"sell":1.971,"last":1.9455}}
 465 2011-04-28 03:25:30 * [Tycho] some weeks ago offrered hosting and slashdot-protection for site and forum but got no answer from sirius-m...
 466 2011-04-28 03:25:39 <noagendamarket> http://www.google.com/trends?q=bitcoin  look at this
 467 2011-04-28 03:25:42 <noagendamarket> all time high
 468 2011-04-28 03:25:57 <Vladimir> this storm is going to be much harder I think, I never saw twitter going so berserk over bitcoin
 469 2011-04-28 03:26:10 <AmpEater> I was hitting twitter hard today
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 471 2011-04-28 03:26:27 <nanotube> noagendamarket: hehe the russians are really digging bitcoin, it seems.
 472 2011-04-28 03:26:27 <AmpEater> cros-promoting my #fuckSony hatred and bitcoin
 473 2011-04-28 03:26:32 parus has joined
 474 2011-04-28 03:26:43 <noagendamarket> lawl
 475 2011-04-28 03:26:44 <AmpEater> plus that thread with 25k views
 476 2011-04-28 03:26:56 <noagendamarket> the damn cia brought down the forum
 477 2011-04-28 03:27:05 <noagendamarket> but accidentally!
 478 2011-04-28 03:27:16 <noagendamarket> its kinda funny when you think about it
 479 2011-04-28 03:27:30 <gekko_> I say $3 BTC by June 5
 480 2011-04-28 03:27:30 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: it's the Russian man there invading
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 482 2011-04-28 03:27:59 <AmpEater> I say $3 BTC by june 4, 11:59 pm
 483 2011-04-28 03:28:29 <da2ce7> the forum should use a squid (or some other transparent cache) for guest uses
 484 2011-04-28 03:28:35 <RenaKunisaki> I say June 4, 11:58 PM. ;3
 485 2011-04-28 03:28:37 <Vladimir> I'd say earlier, 20k$ buy and next stop 3, might happen today
 486 2011-04-28 03:28:40 <AmpEater> :(
 487 2011-04-28 03:28:59 <AmpEater> you've got 20k, do it already
 488 2011-04-28 03:29:01 <sacarlson> AmpEater:  in a year we will be moving the decimal place on the user interface so you don't need to type so many .000034
 489 2011-04-28 03:29:18 edd has joined
 490 2011-04-28 03:29:25 <nanotube> da2ce7: as i've been suggesting - just shove it up on sf.net and let them take care of it. they've got real beefy hw to handle all kinds of traffic.
 491 2011-04-28 03:30:27 <AmpEater> I'm full prepared to handle that reality :) :)
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 496 2011-04-28 03:32:15 <luke-jr> sacarlson: don't bet on that
 497 2011-04-28 03:33:27 <sacarlson> luke-jr  just being optomistic but in the long run I would assume that's what they would do with only 21 * 50 btc to play with I assume the numbers will get smaller
 498 2011-04-28 03:33:32 <Vladimir> 1. separate static and dynamic content, 2. move statics to some CDN, 3. get rid of apache (if it is being used), 4. set up a reverse proxy in front. 5 separate db to another server(s). 6 Move to FastCGI for PHP, 7. Implement caching both on db and page level. 8. remove some features of forum which cause excessive db updates  9. tweak OS and TCP stack... in no particular order
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 500 2011-04-28 03:33:48 <sacarlson> sorry 21M * 50
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 503 2011-04-28 03:35:10 <sacarlson> wonder what the smalist soveran country has as an M2 money supply
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 509 2011-04-28 03:39:35 <da2ce7> bitcoin smf is back up!
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 515 2011-04-28 03:51:39 <gjs278> holy fuck fitting this 5970 was impossible
 516 2011-04-28 03:51:43 <gjs278> had to remove my hd cage
 517 2011-04-28 03:51:52 <luke-jr> gjs278: I just had to remove the HD itself
 518 2011-04-28 03:52:01 <gjs278> my case is pretty big too
 519 2011-04-28 03:52:31 <gjs278> my pc speaker got bumped out I think
 520 2011-04-28 03:53:11 * Kiba eyes the eliminator of the CD drive
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 522 2011-04-28 03:53:39 <Kiba> what would happen if IBM use linux instead of window?
 523 2011-04-28 03:53:54 <Kiba> back in the PC war
 524 2011-04-28 03:54:03 <luke-jr> …
 525 2011-04-28 03:54:09 <Kiba> wait
 526 2011-04-28 03:54:16 <Kiba> the PC  war was before the internet?
 527 2011-04-28 03:54:55 <gekko_> Is there a way to tell how many BTC clients are on the network?
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 529 2011-04-28 04:00:24 <sacarlson> gekko_: you can see a minimum number by looking at the irc #bitcoin on ifnet.org  but that won't count system running with -noirc on lans
 530 2011-04-28 04:01:11 <gekko_> thanks
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 533 2011-04-28 04:03:36 <sacarlson> Kiba:  they had os9 back then that I guess was linux or was unix before dos came out but I could be wrong that was already in the 80's
 534 2011-04-28 04:05:32 <[Tycho]> Modern PC cases are way too small :(
 535 2011-04-28 04:05:49 <[Tycho]> Most of them only allow 265-285 mm cards
 536 2011-04-28 04:06:02 <[Tycho]> Rarely they allow 5970's 310
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 544 2011-04-28 04:14:05 <sacarlson> if anyone can enlighten me on the user interface needed to setup a simple escrow with bitcoin I'm ready to listen
 545 2011-04-28 04:14:23 <luke-jr> JSON-RPC
 546 2011-04-28 04:14:24 <sacarlson> a p2p escrow not to a site
 547 2011-04-28 04:14:26 <luke-jr> see wiki
 548 2011-04-28 04:14:35 <luke-jr> p2p escrow is impossible
 549 2011-04-28 04:14:52 <sacarlson> luke-jr that's not what I saw in an article I was reading using scripts
 550 2011-04-28 04:15:02 <luke-jr> sacarlson: the article was wrong then
 551 2011-04-28 04:15:19 <sacarlson> luke-jr then I will have to devise my own
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 553 2011-04-28 04:15:44 <nanotube> i think most script has been disabled for security reasons
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 555 2011-04-28 04:16:15 <sacarlson> nanotube: I've enabled them on my vision with an added config to turn it on and off
 556 2011-04-28 04:16:19 <noagendamarket> just use clearcoin
 557 2011-04-28 04:16:27 <noagendamarket> now if gavin only had an api
 558 2011-04-28 04:16:29 <noagendamarket> ....
 559 2011-04-28 04:16:44 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: how can I use clearcoin to escrow weeds?
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 561 2011-04-28 04:16:53 <noagendamarket> lol
 562 2011-04-28 04:17:05 <noagendamarket> ask gavin how he seti it up
 563 2011-04-28 04:17:30 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: ok will do but sounds like he's busy,  he has given me alot already
 564 2011-04-28 04:17:40 <noagendamarket> the cia shoulda paid in bitcoinffs
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 574 2011-04-28 04:27:32 <Vladimir> someone got seriously spooked by CIA thing, according to mtgox
 575 2011-04-28 04:30:27 <nanotube> Vladimir: hehe yep. 20kbtc selloff... very niteresting :)
 576 2011-04-28 04:30:31 <nanotube> good chance to buy more :)
 577 2011-04-28 04:31:24 <noagendamarket> wow back to 1.9
 578 2011-04-28 04:31:51 <purplezky> you can't keep a good coin down ;)
 579 2011-04-28 04:32:27 <Vladimir> interestingly, unless I am mistaken that 20k were taken from higher asks and dumped to the bids
 580 2011-04-28 04:32:43 <tcoppi> looks like it
 581 2011-04-28 04:33:32 <purplezky> and some were set deliberatly at 1 BTC
 582 2011-04-28 04:34:00 <purplezky> bots really are starting to use market manipulation tactics
 583 2011-04-28 04:34:49 <nanotube> Vladimir: yep it does look like the asks slimmed down a bit.
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 596 2011-04-28 04:49:23 <luke-jr> where is jgarzik these days?
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 601 2011-04-28 04:52:50 <nanotube> on vacation, last i heard, luke-jr
 602 2011-04-28 04:53:08 <Androgynous> luke-jr: you here? o3o
 603 2011-04-28 04:53:20 <luke-jr> nanotube: ah
 604 2011-04-28 04:53:27 <luke-jr> Androgynous: half
 605 2011-04-28 04:53:30 <Androgynous> ah
 606 2011-04-28 04:53:39 <Androgynous> well, you used GUI miner before?
 607 2011-04-28 04:53:45 <Androgynous> cause my shares accepted
 608 2011-04-28 04:53:47 <Androgynous> stopped showing up
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 611 2011-04-28 05:02:23 <Androgynous> luke-jr: I got it to show again... but it is still 0, how much on your end, if I can bug ya.
 612 2011-04-28 05:02:42 <luke-jr> never used
 613 2011-04-28 05:02:55 <luke-jr> still 1
 614 2011-04-28 05:03:06 <Androgynous> any idea why my end isn't updating?
 615 2011-04-28 05:03:08 <Androgynous> 3:
 616 2011-04-28 05:05:37 <Kiba> somebody on HN hates the fact that bitcoin is receiving coverage constantly from hacker news
 617 2011-04-28 05:06:06 <Androgynous> somebody on HN hates that bitcoin is getting coverage on HN
 618 2011-04-28 05:06:06 <Androgynous> XD
 619 2011-04-28 05:06:24 <Androgynous> know why?
 620 2011-04-28 05:07:10 <noagendamarket> the usual
 621 2011-04-28 05:07:19 <noagendamarket> its probably mr vegetable
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 624 2011-04-28 05:09:20 <Kiba> Androgynous: he was not very enthausastic about bitcoin
 625 2011-04-28 05:09:34 <Androgynous> :P
 626 2011-04-28 05:09:41 <Kiba> so he's rationalizing his hatred/unenthausim about bitcoin
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 628 2011-04-28 05:10:11 <Androgynous> so he's butthurt?
 629 2011-04-28 05:10:39 <Kiba> Androgynous: don't know what's going on in his mind
 630 2011-04-28 05:10:42 <Kiba> just a guess
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 632 2011-04-28 05:17:18 <sacarlson> I think I have a stupid idea of an escrow interface method:  bitcoind sendtoaddressescrowed <bitcoinaddress> <amount> <key>[comment] [comment-to];  and bitcoind unlockescrow <txnumber> <key>
 633 2011-04-28 05:18:12 <sacarlson> I guess the unlock would have to be run on the reciever side that he get's the key from the sender when the sender is happy
 634 2011-04-28 05:18:33 <d03boy> why not just use an escrow service like usual?
 635 2011-04-28 05:19:05 <sacarlson> d03boy: because they won't work with weeds and that would require trust of the third party
 636 2011-04-28 05:19:22 <d03boy> what's a weed
 637 2011-04-28 05:19:38 <sacarlson> d03boy: weeds is the beginning of the new market order
 638 2011-04-28 05:20:05 <sacarlson> were you can exange more than just money
 639 2011-04-28 05:20:23 <d03boy> turtle shells?
 640 2011-04-28 05:20:45 <sacarlson> d03boy: not sure what those are
 641 2011-04-28 05:21:13 <sacarlson> d03boy: sure if there is a demand of turtle shells you should be able to trade them
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 665 2011-04-28 06:10:29 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
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 693 2011-04-28 06:42:53 <pirrr> Hi, I am seeing 100 connections. Yesterday (before reboot, after the client was on for 8 days) there were 18. Does it not pick up new connections?
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 700 2011-04-28 07:00:59 <pirrr> WOW that was a price drop @ mtgox
 701 2011-04-28 07:01:24 <pirrr> Bid	1.672	516.42
 702 2011-04-28 07:01:25 <pirrr> Bid	1.6721	2
 703 2011-04-28 07:01:25 <pirrr> Ask	1.8757	20
 704 2011-04-28 07:01:25 <pirrr> Ask	1.8767	2
 705 2011-04-28 07:02:46 <ersi> Oh? Wasn't most of the bidders in the 1.5-1.6 range yesterday?
 706 2011-04-28 07:03:02 <ersi> Sure, 'last price' was up at 1.9.. but that doesn't say much
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 709 2011-04-28 07:07:22 <semarjt> I wonder if the bitcoin p2p/web of trust model could be extended to the world of signed ssl certs.
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 712 2011-04-28 07:13:33 <pirrr> still anonymous? :P
 713 2011-04-28 07:14:01 <gjs278> I can't get my board to post with a 5870 and 5970
 714 2011-04-28 07:14:03 <gjs278> wat do
 715 2011-04-28 07:14:16 <gjs278> I take out the 58 and the 59 works fine
 716 2011-04-28 07:14:20 <gjs278> I take out the 59, the 58 works fine
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 721 2011-04-28 07:27:02 <LightRider> Would there be any benefit to an x64 client?
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 723 2011-04-28 07:28:53 <gjs278> for what
 724 2011-04-28 07:28:55 <gjs278> bitcoin
 725 2011-04-28 07:29:37 <gjs278> the obvious reason you want architecture same as your os is so you don't have to keep around 32bit libraries
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 727 2011-04-28 07:30:00 <JFK911> but on windows you have to anyway
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 739 2011-04-28 07:43:10 <semarjt> err, so if i set up a new bitcoind server, and then send a tx to it, it wont show up in listransactions until the daemon has caught up with the blocks?
 740 2011-04-28 07:43:17 <semarjt> i hope?
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 745 2011-04-28 07:55:49 <LightRider> I'm talking about computational ability. Would 64bit code increase hashing rate.
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 750 2011-04-28 08:11:50 <edcba> yes it does
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 765 2011-04-28 08:30:38 <lfm> taco_the_paco: rong chan
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 767 2011-04-28 08:31:19 <taco_the_paco> sorry about that, lfm
 768 2011-04-28 08:31:27 <lfm> np
 769 2011-04-28 08:31:33 <taco_the_paco> forgot xchat is bleh and when it amsgs it it does it on every server
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 791 2011-04-28 09:31:06 <doublec> ;;mtgox
 792 2011-04-28 09:31:07 <gribble> Error: "mtgox" is not a valid command.
 793 2011-04-28 09:31:13 <doublec> ;;bc,mtgox
 794 2011-04-28 09:31:13 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.98,"low":1.66,"vol":64439,"buy":1.7601,"sell":1.85,"last":1.84}}
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 805 2011-04-28 10:04:41 <johnlockwood> ;;bc,mtgox
 806 2011-04-28 10:04:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.98,"low":1.66,"vol":65021,"buy":1.8001,"sell":1.832,"last":1.829}}
 807 2011-04-28 10:05:20 <BlueMatt> new all-time high :)
 808 2011-04-28 10:06:02 <johnlockwood> making ß while I sleep
 809 2011-04-28 10:06:06 <johnlockwood> :)
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 825 2011-04-28 10:44:25 <subpar> morning - anyone around ?
 826 2011-04-28 10:47:29 <subpar> I can confirm the same issue of running bitcoind not working properly - had to add -daemon to have it work
 827 2011-04-28 10:48:03 <BlueMatt> subpar: conscious change
 828 2011-04-28 10:48:04 <MartianW> subpar, I'm around, but I'm not a dev.
 829 2011-04-28 10:48:20 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/d12ea887bcf1eab4b029007c4bf5821992c0c6b1
 830 2011-04-28 10:48:48 <subpar> BlueMatt: ok - someone in -otc said there were people doubting this was a real issue
 831 2011-04-28 10:48:58 <subpar> just wnated to chime in was all
 832 2011-04-28 10:49:11 <subpar> I'll watch for a new tarball
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 834 2011-04-28 10:49:28 <BlueMatt> the change was made on purpose
 835 2011-04-28 10:49:54 <subpar> so even running bitcoind you need to add -daemon
 836 2011-04-28 10:49:58 <BlueMatt> not really sure why myself, but it was made on purpose
 837 2011-04-28 10:50:02 <Diablo-D3> http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/brun/pubs/pubs/Kiddon11.pdf
 838 2011-04-28 10:50:02 <BlueMatt> yes
 839 2011-04-28 10:50:10 * subpar shakes head
 840 2011-04-28 10:50:24 <subpar> then why include bitcoind ?
 841 2011-04-28 10:50:37 <ersi> Diablo-D3: l o l
 842 2011-04-28 10:50:47 <subpar> thks BlueMatt
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 844 2011-04-28 10:53:39 <doublec> even the developer who committed the change seems to be unaware it was on purpose
 845 2011-04-28 10:55:50 <BlueMatt> subpar: because it doesnt require wx or x
 846 2011-04-28 10:56:05 <BlueMatt> honestly, Id rather it daemonize automatically, but its not a big deal
 847 2011-04-28 10:56:23 <BlueMatt> doublec: well, Im sure he just forgot
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 849 2011-04-28 10:56:41 <BlueMatt> you could look through the chan logs, but Im too lazy
 850 2011-04-28 10:57:59 <BlueMatt> devrandom: ping
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 852 2011-04-28 10:59:06 <rly> What changed between .19 and .21?
 853 2011-04-28 10:59:31 <BlueMatt> +upnp, +support for nums <0.01, +dns seed, +a ton of fixes
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 866 2011-04-28 11:30:55 <topi`> i'm testing out lukejr's jsonrpc ServiceProxy class
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 868 2011-04-28 11:31:20 <topi`> oddly, my 0.00 paytxfee gets displayed as Decimal('0E-8')
 869 2011-04-28 11:32:09 <JFK911> sounds like a good zero to me
 870 2011-04-28 11:32:12 <Diablo-D3> because floats are fags.
 871 2011-04-28 11:32:43 <topi`> JFK911: it *is* zero, but one needs to think of the correct representation to non-geeks :)
 872 2011-04-28 11:34:35 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
 873 2011-04-28 11:34:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120645 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 314 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 18 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 107517.69288539
 874 2011-04-28 11:34:59 <da2ce7> ;;gend 1000000 107517
 875 2011-04-28 11:34:59 <gribble> Error: "gend" is not a valid command.
 876 2011-04-28 11:35:07 <da2ce7> ;;bc,gend 1000000 107517
 877 2011-04-28 11:35:07 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 107517, is 9.35506366979 BTC per day and 0.389794319575 BTC per hour.
 878 2011-04-28 11:35:24 <da2ce7> ;;bc,gend 1000000 200000
 879 2011-04-28 11:35:24 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 200000, is 5.02914190292 BTC per day and 0.209547579288 BTC per hour.
 880 2011-04-28 11:35:42 <BlueMatt> please do that in privmsg with gribble unless it is for public examination
 881 2011-04-28 11:35:57 <da2ce7> k
 882 2011-04-28 11:36:17 <BlueMatt> thanks
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 890 2011-04-28 11:51:29 <topi`> shit. I just realized that if we just *could* render banks obsolete, there would be no hindrance in creating networks of different money systems
 891 2011-04-28 11:51:41 <topi`> as long as they're based on open technology like the bitcoin.
 892 2011-04-28 11:52:02 <topi`> the networks themselves would negotiate the exchange rates and put the funds flowing around optimally.
 893 2011-04-28 11:52:18 <topi`> this also means that bitcoin does not have to be the only network around.
 894 2011-04-28 11:52:22 <MartianW> topi`, why would banks be obsolete?
 895 2011-04-28 11:52:30 <mtrlt> the rendering process could prove very difficult :P
 896 2011-04-28 11:52:37 <topi`> MartianW: if nobody would need them any longer?
 897 2011-04-28 11:52:46 <MartianW> Considering the bandwidth needed most users will probably have a server manage their wallet for them.
 898 2011-04-28 11:52:49 <topi`> mtrlt: I know, but it's just a wish from an old anarchist.
 899 2011-04-28 11:52:49 <MartianW> With an account for them.
 900 2011-04-28 11:52:55 <MartianW> Like MyBitcoin.
 901 2011-04-28 11:53:02 <mtrlt> and i agree with MartianW.
 902 2011-04-28 11:53:12 <topi`> MyBitcoin is just as centralized as banks.
 903 2011-04-28 11:53:22 <mtrlt> no shit, it's a bitcoin bank :P
 904 2011-04-28 11:53:34 <topi`> except that with bitcoin, you need nobody's legal charter to start banking.
 905 2011-04-28 11:53:34 <Diablo-D3> A BANK! BURN IT! ITS A WITCH!
 906 2011-04-28 11:53:35 <rly> topi`: how does anarchism cope with gangs deciding to burn down your house?
 907 2011-04-28 11:54:03 <noagendamarket> witcoin is also a bank :)-
 908 2011-04-28 11:54:09 <mtrlt> rly: he forms his own gang. then the gangs merge until there are countries :P
 909 2011-04-28 11:54:18 <topi`> rly: well, christiania (in copenhagen) is pretty anarchistic, and they've managed without gangs burning their houses
 910 2011-04-28 11:54:20 <rly> mtrlt: exactly.
 911 2011-04-28 11:54:24 <noagendamarket> a knowledge bank...
 912 2011-04-28 11:54:54 <rly> topi`: isn't anarchism a binary thing?
 913 2011-04-28 11:55:00 <rly> Either you have it or you don't.
 914 2011-04-28 11:55:03 <Diablo-D3> you either burn houses or you dont
 915 2011-04-28 11:55:06 <topi`> nope. unless you ask pjotr kropotkin :)
 916 2011-04-28 11:55:30 <topi`> rly: I think you're mixing anarchism up with anrachy.
 917 2011-04-28 11:55:31 <topi`> anarchy
 918 2011-04-28 11:55:51 <Diablo-D3> and now, psg.
 919 2011-04-28 11:56:02 <MartianW> How is anarchism different from anarchy? Doesn't the 'ism' suffix just transform anarchy to a school of thought?
 920 2011-04-28 11:56:12 <topi`> it does.
 921 2011-04-28 11:56:22 <Diablo-D3> yes, and anarchy involves no thought
 922 2011-04-28 11:56:27 <Diablo-D3> ergo your shits fuck, go troll elsewhere
 923 2011-04-28 11:56:29 <topi`> :)
 924 2011-04-28 11:57:02 <MartianW> Diablo-D3, ?
 925 2011-04-28 11:58:07 <Diablo-D3> thats right, I just called politics trolling
 926 2011-04-28 11:59:04 <topi`> well, the similarities between politicians and trolls are pretty evident, aren't they
 927 2011-04-28 11:59:30 <rly> Anarchists have the image of just destroying office space.
 928 2011-04-28 11:59:30 <MartianW> Both use irrationality to stir strong emotions, but for different ends.
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 930 2011-04-28 11:59:47 <Diablo-D3> for the profit, or for the lulz
 931 2011-04-28 11:59:50 <Diablo-D3> whats the fifference
 932 2011-04-28 11:59:58 <rly> They shit everywhere and move to other places, like parasites.
 933 2011-04-28 12:00:21 <Diablo-D3> rly: so its anonymous?
 934 2011-04-28 12:00:27 <MartianW> Diablo-D3, one aims to get people to agree with you and hate the opposition. The other wants people to not band together.
 935 2011-04-28 12:00:50 <Diablo-D3> MartianW: you just described trolling twice
 936 2011-04-28 12:00:58 <rly> Diablo-D3: I don't see what is anonymous about being in a physical location for an extended period of time.
 937 2011-04-28 12:01:18 <MartianW> Diablo-D3, trolls don't attempt to create a group of people agreeing with each other?
 938 2011-04-28 12:01:23 <noagendamarket> Diablo-D3 whats your opinion on gavin  meeting the cia ?
 939 2011-04-28 12:01:42 <Diablo-D3> MartianW: yes they do... then they turn them into the feds for being a cult
 940 2011-04-28 12:01:49 <rly> Diablo-D3 would love to meet Gavin.
 941 2011-04-28 12:01:52 <rly> Oops
 942 2011-04-28 12:01:55 <noagendamarket> lol
 943 2011-04-28 12:02:02 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: so what
 944 2011-04-28 12:02:07 <Diablo-D3> boo hoo the cia
 945 2011-04-28 12:02:13 <rly> (that is a joke) ;)
 946 2011-04-28 12:02:13 <Diablo-D3> big deal
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 948 2011-04-28 12:02:49 <rly> The CIA only has some cruise missiles under their control to destroy you whenever they want.
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 950 2011-04-28 12:03:04 <MartianW> Considering the CIA's massive success against wikileaks I doubt they'll be able to do much against bitcoin.
 951 2011-04-28 12:03:10 <noagendamarket> haha
 952 2011-04-28 12:03:16 <Diablo-D3> they couldnt even take down 4chan
 953 2011-04-28 12:03:31 <rly> How much have you actually read on wikileaks?
 954 2011-04-28 12:03:38 <noagendamarket> they just want to know wtf silk roads addres is so they can sell coke on there
 955 2011-04-28 12:03:51 <Diablo-D3> rly: I dont have to, fox news and nyt are forced to write pieces against it
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 957 2011-04-28 12:04:00 <rly> Diablo-D3: forced?
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 959 2011-04-28 12:04:03 <Diablo-D3> <wikileaks> bush imprissioned innocents
 960 2011-04-28 12:04:15 <Diablo-D3> <fox news and nyt> wikileaks supports freeing known terrorists
 961 2011-04-28 12:04:18 <Diablo-D3> it all works out in the end
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 963 2011-04-28 12:04:25 <noagendamarket> heh
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 965 2011-04-28 12:04:36 <rly> heh
 966 2011-04-28 12:04:43 <topi`> it took really long to get confirmation for my transaction. I tx'ed it at 13:37 and the 1st confirmation arrived at 13:59, hence 22 minutes later
 967 2011-04-28 12:04:50 <noagendamarket> its akin to meeting with a criminal organisation imo
 968 2011-04-28 12:05:05 <topi`> I'll calculate a probability for not solving a new block for 22 minutes instead of the expected 10
 969 2011-04-28 12:05:12 <MartianW> topi`, it probably didn't get into the first block produced after you sent it out?
 970 2011-04-28 12:05:15 <noagendamarket> like the neighbourhood mafia
 971 2011-04-28 12:05:40 <topi`> MartianW: should have, it had plenty of time to propagate. it appeared quite immediately on my server 2000km away.
 972 2011-04-28 12:05:49 <x5x> topi`, that doesn't sound that unlikely
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 975 2011-04-28 12:08:45 <topi`> shit, my statistics has gotten a bit rusty
 976 2011-04-28 12:09:05 <topi`> I tried to use chi-square statistics for determining the possibility
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 979 2011-04-28 12:16:46 <topi`> damn. Once again, I got a 'fee' of 0.01 to my transaction, although I used luke's py-jsonrpc
 980 2011-04-28 12:16:51 <topi`> what is it that I'm doing wrong?
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 982 2011-04-28 12:17:24 <topi`> {u'fee': Decimal('-0.01000000'), u'txid': u'503ed31abe618f9e3938940319d52b89033543030443c0948ef861b5fcbbb01e', u'amount': Decimal('-0.01000000'), u'confirmations': 0
 983 2011-04-28 12:17:35 <topi`> says account.gettransaction(x)
 984 2011-04-28 12:18:13 <topi`> what I did, was simply:
 985 2011-04-28 12:18:14 <topi`> >>> acc.sendfrom('temporary','12tTZtjimWJb2hDbmWL9GTiiQtx6Dr67ae',0.01)
 986 2011-04-28 12:23:28 <rly> Freetown Christiania is hilariously small, btw. (0.34 square kilometer)
 987 2011-04-28 12:25:12 <luke-jr> topi`: bitcoinrpc is by jgarzik, not I
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 990 2011-04-28 12:27:06 <rly> "Christiania is thus one of the greatest tourist attractions in Copenhagen, and abroad it is a well-known "brand" for the progressive and liberated Danish lifestyle. Many Danish businesses and organizations also use Christiania as a show place for their foreign friends and guests. The purpose is to show something Danish that cannot be found anywhere else in the world."
 991 2011-04-28 12:27:15 <rly> Yeah, that sounds like true anarchism. LOL
 992 2011-04-28 12:27:22 <rly> It is just another business model.
 993 2011-04-28 12:27:53 <rly> (nothing wrong with that, just calling it an example of anarchism is hilarious)
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1018 2011-04-28 12:41:03 <bencoder> rly: how so? I see nothing incompatible with anarchism in that
1019 2011-04-28 12:41:17 <rly> bencoder: they are more like a zoo now.
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1021 2011-04-28 12:41:31 <rly> Look a monkey vs Look an anarchist with long hair.
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1024 2011-04-28 12:41:54 <rly> In Somalia their is sort of anarchism now.
1025 2011-04-28 12:41:57 <rly> there*
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1027 2011-04-28 12:42:44 <rly> But because of a difference in power between them and the rest of the world it is basically getting destroyed by other nations/companies.
1028 2011-04-28 12:42:59 <noagendamarket> anarchism = bitcoin
1029 2011-04-28 12:43:07 <noagendamarket> thats how we roll
1030 2011-04-28 12:43:15 <rly> noagendamarket: except you still have to pay taxes.
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1034 2011-04-28 12:43:30 <rly> noagendamarket: which you have to do in government issued credit notes.
1035 2011-04-28 12:43:31 <noagendamarket> what taxes are those ?
1036 2011-04-28 12:43:43 <rly> noagendamarket: are you saying you live somewhere without taxes?
1037 2011-04-28 12:43:59 <noagendamarket> wtf read what I wrote
1038 2011-04-28 12:44:01 <rly> noagendamarket: taxes on water for example.
1039 2011-04-28 12:44:18 <rly> noagendamarket: taxes on owning property.
1040 2011-04-28 12:44:24 <noagendamarket> bitcoin is a living example of anarchism
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1042 2011-04-28 12:44:50 <rly> noagendamarket: you already said that.
1043 2011-04-28 12:45:06 <rly> noagendamarket: you ask what taxes are those. I told you and then there is no response.
1044 2011-04-28 12:45:11 <noagendamarket> whatever
1045 2011-04-28 12:45:28 <noagendamarket> the bitcoin client doesnt tax me lol
1046 2011-04-28 12:45:43 <ersi> neither does your money
1047 2011-04-28 12:45:54 <ersi> as in bills and/or other currencies in bank accounts
1048 2011-04-28 12:46:04 <rly> noagendamarket: uhm, you are not entirely a source of great wisdom now.
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1050 2011-04-28 12:46:10 <rly> ersi: that is false.
1051 2011-04-28 12:46:27 <ersi> Hm.
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1053 2011-04-28 12:46:41 * noagendamarket ignores the troll
1054 2011-04-28 12:46:49 <ersi> Well, perhaps if you count banks/goverments regulation of said currencies
1055 2011-04-28 12:47:14 <rly> noagendamarket: I am a troll when you ask questions and then just say 'whatever'?
1056 2011-04-28 12:47:37 <ersi> But the numbers in your bank account, or slips of paper and lumps of coins doesn't tax itself. Not without intervention
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1058 2011-04-28 12:48:04 <rly> ersi: your point being?
1059 2011-04-28 12:48:34 <rly> ersi: if you do not pay up, you will get the military at your door ultimately. Do you have your own private army?
1060 2011-04-28 12:48:35 <topi`> luke-jr: I see, i'll look at jgarzik's code
1061 2011-04-28 12:48:42 <ersi> That neither form does it automatically. It's still something you have to manually/intervene
1062 2011-04-28 12:48:53 <topi`> rly: Christiania is anarchistic in the sense that the local police won't intervene in their affairs
1063 2011-04-28 12:49:11 <noagendamarket> rly we already know the deal
1064 2011-04-28 12:49:13 <rly> topi`: what if they start building advanced weaponry?
1065 2011-04-28 12:49:14 <topi`> an exception was an incident in 2004 where some motorbike gangs had a firefight
1066 2011-04-28 12:49:28 <rly> topi`: see? No self-determination.
1067 2011-04-28 12:49:40 <rly> That is not anarchism, that is a zoo.
1068 2011-04-28 12:49:42 <da2ce7> rly is a fat troll under the fiat bridge.
1069 2011-04-28 12:49:44 <topi`> I've been in Christiania, and talked to the people living there. they're basically squats, haven't paid anything for the land.
1070 2011-04-28 12:49:46 <da2ce7> :O
1071 2011-04-28 12:49:47 <noagendamarket> lol
1072 2011-04-28 12:49:53 <topi`> lol :D
1073 2011-04-28 12:50:28 <rly> What happens if one moves there?
1074 2011-04-28 12:50:38 <rly> Do you just have to kill someone and take space? ;)
1075 2011-04-28 12:50:43 <noagendamarket> they live with you under a bridge
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1077 2011-04-28 12:50:50 <da2ce7> lol
1078 2011-04-28 12:51:05 <noagendamarket> and they trolololo
1079 2011-04-28 12:51:17 <ersi> Hah
1080 2011-04-28 12:51:20 <rly> I prefer not to hang around in shit.
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1082 2011-04-28 12:52:00 <da2ce7> any aussies want to buy $1000 of BTC
1083 2011-04-28 12:52:01 <rly> That would be fun. Invite all the major owners of office space to go there and put shit on all their 'houses'.
1084 2011-04-28 12:52:10 <noagendamarket> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0    is anarchy
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1086 2011-04-28 12:53:19 <da2ce7> lawl.
1087 2011-04-28 12:54:29 <Diablo-D3> yeah, drug niggers flippin out, quite the anarchy there isnt it
1088 2011-04-28 12:54:32 * Diablo-D3 smacks noagendamarket 
1089 2011-04-28 12:54:39 <Diablo-D3> er, dunk
1090 2011-04-28 12:54:42 <Diablo-D3> *drunk.
1091 2011-04-28 12:54:46 <Diablo-D3> Im so angry I cant even type.
1092 2011-04-28 12:54:48 <Diablo-D3> Good job, asshole
1093 2011-04-28 12:54:56 * Diablo-D3 smacks noagendamarket again
1094 2011-04-28 12:55:40 <rly> How many BTC would noagendamarket's home address be worth?
1095 2011-04-28 12:55:42 <da2ce7> Diablo-D3, http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Margaret_Thatcher
1096 2011-04-28 12:56:08 <Diablo-D3> yes, god forbid we lose a wonderful article like that
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1099 2011-04-28 12:56:42 <noagendamarket> rly nothing
1100 2011-04-28 12:57:58 <da2ce7> sexy: http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:Bbw.jpg
1101 2011-04-28 12:58:05 <da2ce7> I'd give here bitcoins.
1102 2011-04-28 12:58:22 <JFK911> damn miner says he found a block but it doesnt show in the client :(
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1104 2011-04-28 12:58:41 <da2ce7> JFK911, it takes 2 confimations to show up
1105 2011-04-28 12:59:04 <da2ce7> but annother miner might have found a block at the same time, and 'wins the race'
1106 2011-04-28 12:59:13 <da2ce7> that means you are super unlucky
1107 2011-04-28 12:59:20 * noagendamarket doesnt live under a bridge 
1108 2011-04-28 12:59:33 <JFK911> da2ce7: ... 0/unconfirmed would show up.
1109 2011-04-28 12:59:50 <da2ce7> hmm, not for block, for transcations yes.
1110 2011-04-28 12:59:53 <JFK911> it also said: accepted
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1112 2011-04-28 13:00:06 <da2ce7> at least it didn't used to.
1113 2011-04-28 13:00:08 <JFK911> i'll look at block history in a few mins.
1114 2011-04-28 13:00:23 <JFK911> ive seen it for gens, also "matures in 120 more blocks"
1115 2011-04-28 13:00:27 <ArtForz> JFK911: if you got no clue, stfu
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1118 2011-04-28 13:00:39 <ArtForz> gens only show up at 2 confirms
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1122 2011-04-28 13:01:31 <ArtForz> otherwise people would go WTF when their block lost a race and goes from 1 back to 0 (and stays there forever)
1123 2011-04-28 13:01:38 <JFK911> p sure i remember seeing those lines before, but also i think you mined more than me
1124 2011-04-28 13:02:22 <ArtForz> and why 2? as generations live in blocks, the one from a newly found block is already at 1
1125 2011-04-28 13:02:42 <ArtForz> so if the next block builds on it, it goes to 2 and shows up
1126 2011-04-28 13:03:04 <JFK911> kick your creation and find a couple blocks please, art
1127 2011-04-28 13:03:08 <ArtForz> if the next block is built on a concurrent block at the same height, it juts goes to 0 and gets forgotten
1128 2011-04-28 13:03:35 <ArtForz> well, not really fogotten, it will just sit in wallet forever
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1135 2011-04-28 13:05:16 <ArtForz> I'd be fine with changing the gui to show em as soon as they're found, but I bet my ass then we'll get dozens of "wahhh, my generation went from 1 to 0 and never gets confirmed"
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1137 2011-04-28 13:06:14 <bencoder> ersi: you could say that your money does tax you automatically, when they print more of it.
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1139 2011-04-28 13:07:43 <JFK911> i just need tcp for 8333, right?
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1142 2011-04-28 13:08:16 <ArtForz> yup
1143 2011-04-28 13:08:28 <JFK911> danke
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1146 2011-04-28 13:09:09 <ersi> bencoder: yeah
1147 2011-04-28 13:09:33 <ArtForz> JFK911: sorry for the strong language, I just hate people spreading misinformation on -dev
1148 2011-04-28 13:09:51 <JFK911> well, i seriously misremembered :)
1149 2011-04-28 13:10:15 <JFK911> never had an 'accepted' not show up
1150 2011-04-28 13:10:55 <JFK911> does the client save the coin immediately?  what if he crashes before it's confirmed?
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1152 2011-04-28 13:11:27 <ArtForz> it saves it immediately
1153 2011-04-28 13:11:27 <Diablo-D3> before whats confirmed?
1154 2011-04-28 13:11:40 <ArtForz> generations
1155 2011-04-28 13:11:47 <Diablo-D3> its probably already too late at that point
1156 2011-04-28 13:11:49 <ArtForz> they just arent shown in the gui until at least 1 block is on top
1157 2011-04-28 13:11:53 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 9448928
1158 2011-04-28 13:11:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 9448928 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 11 hours, 39 minutes, and 36 seconds
1159 2011-04-28 13:11:54 <Diablo-D3> if your client crashed, someone else beat you to the block
1160 2011-04-28 13:12:01 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: depends
1161 2011-04-28 13:12:05 <JFK911> just throwing it out there
1162 2011-04-28 13:12:33 <ArtForz> well, actually until they're at least 1 deep into the main chain
1163 2011-04-28 13:12:52 <WakiMiko> sometimes they show up right away with 0 confirmations
1164 2011-04-28 13:12:55 <WakiMiko> sometimes tehy dont
1165 2011-04-28 13:13:00 <WakiMiko> on testnet that is
1166 2011-04-28 13:13:04 <ArtForz> genrations? no
1167 2011-04-28 13:13:10 <WakiMiko> i think it did for me
1168 2011-04-28 13:13:12 <ArtForz> they shouldnt
1169 2011-04-28 13:13:17 <ArtForz> if they do, thats a bug
1170 2011-04-28 13:13:18 <WakiMiko> using an external miner
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1173 2011-04-28 13:13:38 <ArtForz> normal tx can and do show up at 0/unconfirmed
1174 2011-04-28 13:13:38 <WakiMiko> hmm im not sure
1175 2011-04-28 13:14:03 <WakiMiko> gonna test it but my hardware sucks so it will take some time even on testnet ;_;
1176 2011-04-28 13:14:19 <ArtForz> it's certainly possible, the gui tx list is a bit... special
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1178 2011-04-28 13:14:49 <ArtForz> yeah, as in "special needs" special ;)
1179 2011-04-28 13:14:54 <JFK911> haha
1180 2011-04-28 13:14:55 <JFK911> okay
1181 2011-04-28 13:15:05 <JFK911> when the blocks turned from 102651 to 102652
1182 2011-04-28 13:15:06 <WakiMiko> is the only difference between the all transactions and send/received tabs that the former lists generations?
1183 2011-04-28 13:15:07 <JFK911> it didnt show
1184 2011-04-28 13:15:11 <JFK911> but i restarted the client and it's there
1185 2011-04-28 13:15:31 <ArtForz> yep, thats what I mean with tx list being special
1186 2011-04-28 13:15:42 <ArtForz> sometimes tx just don't show up at all
1187 2011-04-28 13:16:21 <ArtForz> forcing it to refresh fixes it
1188 2011-04-28 13:16:31 <JFK911> okay!  So, explain me how this works.  poclbm can say 'accepted' or 'rejected.'  when bitcoin returns him whatever negative status, what happened?  calculations for verification failed?  or network didn't accept?
1189 2011-04-28 13:16:34 <luke-jr> ArtForz: sure you don't want to boost my pool a bit for fun? :P
1190 2011-04-28 13:16:40 <ArtForz> luke-jr: nah
1191 2011-04-28 13:16:53 <ArtForz> I prefer local mining, less points of failure
1192 2011-04-28 13:16:55 <ArtForz> fewer
1193 2011-04-28 13:20:27 <da2ce7> can I please have a dump of the wiki :)
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1204 2011-04-28 13:41:06 <appamatto> ;;bc,mtgox
1205 2011-04-28 13:41:07 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.98,"low":1.66,"vol":71528,"buy":1.875,"sell":1.9478,"last":1.934}}
1206 2011-04-28 13:41:13 <appamatto> Holy crap
1207 2011-04-28 13:44:13 <edcba> damn i should have invested 1000€ in bitcoins
1208 2011-04-28 13:44:39 <mtrlt> hehe
1209 2011-04-28 13:44:51 <mtrlt> i did :-P but too late and bought at 1.5 or something
1210 2011-04-28 13:45:00 <nanotube> https://dump.bitcoin.it/ da2ce7
1211 2011-04-28 13:45:01 <noagendamarket> its not too late
1212 2011-04-28 13:45:21 <da2ce7> thankyou
1213 2011-04-28 13:45:24 <mtrlt> maybe, but i am a pessimist by nature :P
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1220 2011-04-28 13:49:10 <da2ce7> ey, nanotube those don't seem like to be full dumps. All they contain is one xml file.
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1240 2011-04-28 14:25:43 <BlueMatt> devrandom: left you a bunch of gribble msgs about this process, I think we are getting really close here.
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1249 2011-04-28 14:37:28 <nanotube> da2ce7: dunno, that's all i see. ask magicaltux when he's around.
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1251 2011-04-28 14:43:23 <ersi> da2ce7: Want a dump of bitcoin.it?
1252 2011-04-28 14:43:30 <da2ce7> yep
1253 2011-04-28 14:43:41 <ersi> I got a MediaWiki-dumper.py script laying right here
1254 2011-04-28 14:43:49 * ersi points towards monitor
1255 2011-04-28 14:44:32 <ersi> Dumping..
1256 2011-04-28 14:46:16 <ersi> It's gonna take a little while. There's... a few pages. :)
1257 2011-04-28 14:46:52 <devrandom> BlueMatt - did not get the gribble msgs
1258 2011-04-28 14:47:05 <devrandom> oh, now I did
1259 2011-04-28 14:47:29 <BlueMatt> devrandom: yea, you have to do something on the chan to get them
1260 2011-04-28 14:47:37 <jrabbit> http://www.good.is/post/ku-klux-klan-says-it-doesn-t-condone-tea-party-or-koran-burning/
1261 2011-04-28 14:47:59 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: ...wtf?
1262 2011-04-28 14:48:22 * jrabbit found it bizzare
1263 2011-04-28 14:48:57 <BlueMatt> since when does the kkk accept other people's ideas?
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1270 2011-04-28 14:58:55 <pirrr> <gribble> Apr28 14:53:35 mtgox      500.0000 @     1.945      USD
1271 2011-04-28 15:02:52 <pirrr> <gribble> Apr28 14:58:21 mtgox    1,000.0000 @     1.95       USD
1272 2011-04-28 15:04:09 <pirrr> wow :
1273 2011-04-28 15:04:13 <pirrr> wow :D*
1274 2011-04-28 15:04:17 <johnlockwood> omg
1275 2011-04-28 15:05:06 <edcba> ?
1276 2011-04-28 15:05:10 <edcba> 1M what ?
1277 2011-04-28 15:05:15 <pirrr> noo
1278 2011-04-28 15:05:16 <pirrr> not 1m
1279 2011-04-28 15:05:17 <pirrr> 1k
1280 2011-04-28 15:05:21 <edcba> oh
1281 2011-04-28 15:05:25 <edcba> ok
1282 2011-04-28 15:05:27 <johnlockwood> lol
1283 2011-04-28 15:05:30 <edcba> not that much
1284 2011-04-28 15:05:54 <pirrr> but the prices vary much
1285 2011-04-28 15:06:01 <pirrr> over 24h
1286 2011-04-28 15:06:19 <edcba> as long it goes up it's not a problem lol
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1290 2011-04-28 15:12:46 <pirrr> <gribble> Apr28 15:08:14 mtgox      793.5640 @     1.98       USD
1291 2011-04-28 15:12:49 <pirrr> rise up, rise up
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1294 2011-04-28 15:14:50 <edcba> maybe i should sell my 10k bitcoins
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1296 2011-04-28 15:15:06 <mtrlt> do that :)
1297 2011-04-28 15:15:24 <zq> do it ^^
1298 2011-04-28 15:15:32 <pirrr> <gribble> Apr28 15:10:43 mtgox      562.3460 @     1.9914     USD
1299 2011-04-28 15:15:41 <edcba> pb is i don't have 10k bitcoins
1300 2011-04-28 15:15:52 <edcba> maybe i should lend some
1301 2011-04-28 15:16:16 <zq> I think it would be a good time to short the market soon
1302 2011-04-28 15:16:23 <pirrr> only 1200 bitcoins on mtgox for <$2
1303 2011-04-28 15:16:30 <mtrlt> if it goes over 2, i think it won't come down in a while
1304 2011-04-28 15:16:51 <pirrr> who knows  :P
1305 2011-04-28 15:17:04 <edcba> depends on ppl wanting to sell or not
1306 2011-04-28 15:17:43 <pirrr> aaaaand we reached $2
1307 2011-04-28 15:17:51 <pirrr> Bid	1.97	1.98
1308 2011-04-28 15:17:51 <pirrr> Ask	2	158.28
1309 2011-04-28 15:18:32 <edcba> yeah !
1310 2011-04-28 15:18:43 <edcba> quick let's submit that to /. !
1311 2011-04-28 15:19:00 <edcba> to drive up difficulty
1312 2011-04-28 15:19:06 <pirrr> where has been no $2 sale yet
1313 2011-04-28 15:19:08 <edcba> (and prices :)
1314 2011-04-28 15:19:19 <rli> $2 reached !
1315 2011-04-28 15:19:30 <edcba> sell ! sell !
1316 2011-04-28 15:20:28 <pirrr> <gribble> Apr28 15:16:03 mtgox        2.0000 @     2.00       USD
1317 2011-04-28 15:21:25 <pirrr> sell! sell!
1318 2011-04-28 15:21:39 <UukGoblin> :->
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1321 2011-04-28 15:22:29 <johnlockwood> buy
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1324 2011-04-28 15:28:40 <da2ce7> Freenet Bitcoin: USK@fhPDBxP3nusIatIHk076GYmov05n2zIDlG6L8pySdIs,Q7R9g4ZW7JNE4ouuvbtClAdt2mvZZbIWPIX~DhYiJY8,AQACAAE/Bitcoin/0/
1325 2011-04-28 15:29:28 <RenaKunisaki> hmm
1326 2011-04-28 15:29:32 <RenaKunisaki> ?
1327 2011-04-28 15:29:42 <da2ce7> ah freenet.
1328 2011-04-28 15:29:52 <RenaKunisaki> what's the relation between Freenet and Bitcoin here?
1329 2011-04-28 15:30:00 <da2ce7> https://freenetproject.org/
1330 2011-04-28 15:30:04 * RenaKunisaki can't be arsed to start up Freenet to check
1331 2011-04-28 15:30:21 <da2ce7> I have made a freesite that cointants bitcoin.
1332 2011-04-28 15:30:23 <RenaKunisaki> I'm familiar with it, I'm just wondering what Freenet Bitcoin is
1333 2011-04-28 15:30:28 <jaromil> guys: i've just seen a mod of bitcoind exposing an API to python and java. i mean the core C++ - neat. i guess we'll have an interesting branch soon. the presence of genjix in amsterdam is seminal. that guy is an inseminator.
1334 2011-04-28 15:30:32 <RenaKunisaki> Bitcoin over Freenet or just a donation system or what
1335 2011-04-28 15:30:48 <da2ce7> no this isn't the BtcFn project
1336 2011-04-28 15:30:50 <RenaKunisaki> needs more Lua :p
1337 2011-04-28 15:30:56 <da2ce7> this is just a mirror
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1339 2011-04-28 15:33:34 <pirrr> www.mtgox.com down?
1340 2011-04-28 15:33:48 <mtrlt> nope
1341 2011-04-28 15:34:03 <edcba> no it goes up ! :)
1342 2011-04-28 15:34:10 <mtrlt> :P
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1347 2011-04-28 15:39:07 <pirrr> Will transactions get processed quicker if the network is bigger?
1348 2011-04-28 15:39:22 <mtrlt> no because the difficulty will readjust itself
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1351 2011-04-28 15:42:04 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 292000
1352 2011-04-28 15:42:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 292000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 2 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 18 minutes, and 41 seconds
1353 2011-04-28 15:42:17 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 292000 [bc,estimate]
1354 2011-04-28 15:42:17 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 292000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 107359.12410948, is 2 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 38 minutes, and 43 seconds
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1356 2011-04-28 15:42:22 <luke-jr> hmm
1357 2011-04-28 15:42:28 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 [bc,estimate]
1358 2011-04-28 15:42:28 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 107359.12410948, is 2 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 20 minutes, and 14 seconds
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1361 2011-04-28 15:50:32 <tcoppi> ;;bc,stats
1362 2011-04-28 15:50:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120672 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 287 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 14 hours, 44 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 107367.17564121
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1369 2011-04-28 16:03:37 <kika> Diablo-D3: hey
1370 2011-04-28 16:04:48 <kika> Diablo-D3: do you have idea why diablominer is working slower with my pushpool server than using deepbit ? if i connect to deepbit the speed is 200Mhash/s however if i do it on my own pushpool pool its only 20 Mhash/s
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1373 2011-04-28 16:07:34 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: I got a question. What is 'target[6]' here? if(G <= currentWork.target[6]) {
1374 2011-04-28 16:07:49 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: I guess it's related to difficulty. but exactly?
1375 2011-04-28 16:07:58 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: G.
1376 2011-04-28 16:08:17 <UukGoblin> it's one of the bytes of the target
1377 2011-04-28 16:08:17 <cosurgi> so it's the next 32bits ?
1378 2011-04-28 16:08:21 <Diablo-D3> kika: dunno, sounds like the pushpool isnt working
1379 2011-04-28 16:08:30 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yes, its 8 numbers, indexes start from 0.
1380 2011-04-28 16:08:37 <kika> Diablo-D3: it connects and works, however its slower
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1382 2011-04-28 16:09:01 <kika> Diablo-D3: Phenix gives me 150Mhash/s using my pushpool
1383 2011-04-28 16:09:02 <kika> *Prohenix
1384 2011-04-28 16:09:07 <kika> *Phoenix
1385 2011-04-28 16:09:09 <Diablo-D3> kika: yeah, but if the pool doesnt handle concurrent connections correctly, my miner is going to run slowly
1386 2011-04-28 16:09:24 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: so, for slush's pool, where difficulty=1 this check isn't necessary? (I ask not tuo optimize, but to understand)
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1388 2011-04-28 16:09:45 <kika> Diablo-D3: so you say the pushpool dont handle correctly concurrent connections, ill have to fix the pushpool code right? do you know which miner software deepbit uses?
1389 2011-04-28 16:09:54 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: I mean, when diff=1, only H must be 0, and G can be random.
1390 2011-04-28 16:10:02 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: its technically necessary
1391 2011-04-28 16:10:05 <kika> Diablo-D3: the diablominer was the only client connected to the pushpool btw
1392 2011-04-28 16:10:16 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: why?
1393 2011-04-28 16:10:22 <sipa_> cosurgi: technically, no
1394 2011-04-28 16:10:26 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: diff 1 technically doesnt mean H == 0
1395 2011-04-28 16:10:40 <kika> Diablo-D3: why would it need concurrent connections ? i tought diablominer just issues a getwork command once every x seconds
1396 2011-04-28 16:10:42 <sipa_> at difficulty 1, H==0 and G<-0xFFFF0000
1397 2011-04-28 16:10:46 <cosurgi> isn't it 00000000FFFFFFFFFFFFF.... ?
1398 2011-04-28 16:11:05 <Diablo-D3> kika: because it runs multiple executor threads at the same time
1399 2011-04-28 16:11:07 <sipa_> difficulty==1: target==0x00000000FFFF0000000000000...
1400 2011-04-28 16:11:17 <cosurgi> oh.
1401 2011-04-28 16:11:30 <cosurgi> I thought it's F until the end.
1402 2011-04-28 16:11:35 <kika> Diablo-D3: so basically diablominer runs different executor threads and creates a connection on each one of those to pushpoold
1403 2011-04-28 16:11:44 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes.
1404 2011-04-28 16:12:04 <kika> Diablo-D3: do you know which pool software deebit runs ? or btcminer.com ?
1405 2011-04-28 16:12:05 <Diablo-D3> kika: its the only way to make sure that the GPU is always mining
1406 2011-04-28 16:12:11 <Diablo-D3> deepbit runs their own
1407 2011-04-28 16:12:16 <Diablo-D3> as does slush
1408 2011-04-28 16:12:21 <Diablo-D3> they're both closed source
1409 2011-04-28 16:12:24 <kika> i see
1410 2011-04-28 16:12:33 <kika> so ill need to create a closed source one
1411 2011-04-28 16:12:33 <kika> :P
1412 2011-04-28 16:12:42 <Diablo-D3> or just use mine when its done
1413 2011-04-28 16:13:02 <kika> Diablo-D3: ? when pushpool be done?
1414 2011-04-28 16:13:14 <Diablo-D3> mine isnt pushpool =P
1415 2011-04-28 16:13:29 <kika> Diablo-D3: brb
1416 2011-04-28 16:13:47 <kika> whats mine? a pool software?
1417 2011-04-28 16:14:06 <Diablo-D3> mine is a noun implying ownership of the speaker
1418 2011-04-28 16:14:28 <kika> Diablo-D3: i see can i contribute to yours so get it done faster? when it will be released?
1419 2011-04-28 16:14:35 <cosurgi> or is a noun describing a hole in the ground which is full of gold.
1420 2011-04-28 16:15:17 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yes, but then its also a verb
1421 2011-04-28 16:15:23 <cosurgi> :)
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1423 2011-04-28 16:15:32 <kika> Diablo-D3:  when yours will be done ? can i help you to finish it faster?
1424 2011-04-28 16:15:44 <Diablo-D3> it'll be done when its done.
1425 2011-04-28 16:16:00 <Diablo-D3> diablo time is worse than valve time.
1426 2011-04-28 16:16:04 <kika> Diablo-D3: so you dont have a release date yet i see
1427 2011-04-28 16:16:58 <Diablo-D3> release dates exist to be ignored.
1428 2011-04-28 16:17:10 <kika> Diablo-D3: so basically diablominer opens many threads and in each thread it requests work via rpc from the pooler, and each threads works on its work, right ?
1429 2011-04-28 16:17:21 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes. three per gpu
1430 2011-04-28 16:17:31 <kika> Diablo-D3: 3 threads per GPU i see
1431 2011-04-28 16:18:01 <Diablo-D3> it basically does queue stuffing, and then also, by purely the fact there are multiple threads, does checking and networking in parallel
1432 2011-04-28 16:18:01 <kika> Diablo-D3: and what time interval it keeps each thread open? or re-requests getwork
1433 2011-04-28 16:18:03 <kika> ?
1434 2011-04-28 16:18:11 <Diablo-D3> kika: they never close.
1435 2011-04-28 16:18:19 <Diablo-D3> it works like any other miner does
1436 2011-04-28 16:18:29 <Diablo-D3> it just does it in threads
1437 2011-04-28 16:18:34 <Diablo-D3> it'd be like running three poclbms
1438 2011-04-28 16:18:39 <kika> Diablo-D3: so i dont understand why Phoenix miner does quicker using pushpool than diablominer
1439 2011-04-28 16:18:53 <kika> Diablo-D3: it must be doing something different
1440 2011-04-28 16:19:15 <Diablo-D3> kika: pushpool probably has an especially shit network setup
1441 2011-04-28 16:19:17 <Diablo-D3> so Im not surprised
1442 2011-04-28 16:19:36 <kika> Diablo-D3: i see so basically in each thread a rcp getwork call is done, and then each thread works on it, and how much time apsses between each thread re-requests work from the server?
1443 2011-04-28 16:19:55 <luke-jr> kika: Diablo-D3's miner is crap and only supports JSON-RPC
1444 2011-04-28 16:19:56 <Diablo-D3> kika: three conditions
1445 2011-04-28 16:20:12 <kika> Diablo-D3: whcih conditions?
1446 2011-04-28 16:20:14 <kika> *which
1447 2011-04-28 16:20:16 <Diablo-D3> kika: either a) you've guessed 2^32 times
1448 2011-04-28 16:20:24 <Diablo-D3> b) 5 (configurable) minutes have passed
1449 2011-04-28 16:20:36 <Diablo-D3> c) you just submitted an attempt to bitcoin
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1451 2011-04-28 16:22:18 <Diablo-D3> kika: this is generally how any miner works
1452 2011-04-28 16:22:49 <Diablo-D3> with miners that poll, it doesnt do b or c, it just waits for the poll to return
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1468 2011-04-28 16:37:44 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: got another question - what happens if the nonce solving a block is 0 ? Is it lost?
1469 2011-04-28 16:38:05 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: I see that you check for possible solution by doing: if(nonce > 0) {
1470 2011-04-28 16:38:09 <cosurgi> but maybe I read wrong.
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1482 2011-04-28 16:57:29 <grbgout> I just set 3 BTC to mtgox, http://blockexplorer.com/tx/b9a04a36cb4c697e9f67f1a5f40de39e7fadbd10c227234c9feb920bec5755d2 , I don't understand what that 0.04 is doing --- I've looked for the address the cents were sent to in my bitcoin client, and I don't see it associated with any accounts.  Is it an automatically generated 'orphan' address specifically for collecting change?
1483 2011-04-28 16:58:12 <grbgout> The entry in the listtransactions RPC command shows 0.000... for fees, and -3.000... for value.
1484 2011-04-28 16:58:28 <grbgout> I'll read the wiki pages again in the meantime..
1485 2011-04-28 16:58:42 <bencoder> yes, the 0.04 went back to a new address of yours
1486 2011-04-28 16:58:47 <cosurgi> grbgout: those 0.04 were sent back to you?\
1487 2011-04-28 16:59:00 <cosurgi> if yes, then all is OK.
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1489 2011-04-28 16:59:06 <sipa_> grbgout: it's a change address, it's in your wallet, but not visibly
1490 2011-04-28 16:59:17 <cosurgi> it's done in order to increase anonymity.
1491 2011-04-28 16:59:40 <cosurgi> it is then harder to track which address belongs to who.
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1493 2011-04-28 16:59:53 <grbgout> cosurgi: that's what I'm trying to figure out.
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1495 2011-04-28 17:00:14 <grbgout> sipa_: and there's no way to see such orphaned addresses?
1496 2011-04-28 17:00:21 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1497 2011-04-28 17:00:22 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.66,"vol":100366,"buy":2.4712,"sell":2.6,"last":2.4711}}
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1500 2011-04-28 17:03:22 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: btw yes
1501 2011-04-28 17:03:24 <Diablo-D3> if the solution is 0
1502 2011-04-28 17:03:25 <Diablo-D3> its lost
1503 2011-04-28 17:04:46 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
1504 2011-04-28 17:04:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120677 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 282 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 14 hours, 4 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 107163.57502869
1505 2011-04-28 17:04:53 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: ok, thx.
1506 2011-04-28 17:04:55 <sipa_> cosurgi: if value is -3, it means the -0.04 isn't counted, and must be change
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1510 2011-04-28 17:07:21 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: remember, its a 2^32 space.
1511 2011-04-28 17:07:25 <Diablo-D3> thats over 9000.
1512 2011-04-28 17:07:30 <cosurgi> yes, I know. so no problem.
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1514 2011-04-28 17:09:01 <cosurgi> it's more about understanding your code
1515 2011-04-28 17:10:04 <gavinandresen> Good morning everybody.  Anybody willing to review the ClearCoin API and let me know if I'm being an idiot and forgetting something obvious?  https://testnet.clearcoin.appspot.com/developer/start
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1518 2011-04-28 17:12:02 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: so Ive decided something
1519 2011-04-28 17:12:08 <Diablo-D3> Im going to run for office and make bitcoin illegal
1520 2011-04-28 17:12:23 <gavinandresen> Well, then I'm not going to vote for you.
1521 2011-04-28 17:12:26 <cosurgi> gavinandresen: does it have wallet encryption? :-p
1522 2011-04-28 17:12:58 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: no, you're going to donate to my campaign
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1524 2011-04-28 17:13:49 <cosurgi> :-)
1525 2011-04-28 17:14:09 <Diablo-D3> er
1526 2011-04-28 17:14:11 <Diablo-D3> gavin I mean
1527 2011-04-28 17:14:13 <Diablo-D3> you will too
1528 2011-04-28 17:14:53 <luke-jr> if I get elected president, I'll make bitcoin the official currency of the USA
1529 2011-04-28 17:14:59 <luke-jr> but it'll never happen
1530 2011-04-28 17:15:14 <luke-jr> (I'll also require prices to be published in both BTC and TBC)
1531 2011-04-28 17:15:17 <BlueMatt> I wouldnt vote for luke, because Im afraid of him making TBC official instead of BTC
1532 2011-04-28 17:16:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I'd force the schools to use Tonal too
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1534 2011-04-28 17:16:41 <BlueMatt> oh god
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1536 2011-04-28 17:17:22 <chmod755> gavinandresen: Firefox says "This Connection is Untrusted"
1537 2011-04-28 17:17:23 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,mtgox
1538 2011-04-28 17:17:23 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.66,"vol":99821,"buy":2.331,"sell":2.4,"last":2.331}}
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1540 2011-04-28 17:17:26 <jlewis> if i'm running a minerd that's accepting remote miner connections, how can i get the average hash rate per second of the whole system?
1541 2011-04-28 17:17:28 <BlueMatt> O:
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1545 2011-04-28 17:18:29 <cosurgi> ??? 2.30 on mtgox ???
1546 2011-04-28 17:18:42 <cosurgi> wtf is happening?
1547 2011-04-28 17:18:53 <BlueMatt> high 2.65
1548 2011-04-28 17:19:06 <cosurgi> that can't be real.
1549 2011-04-28 17:19:10 <cosurgi> :-DDD
1550 2011-04-28 17:19:21 <chmod755> cosurgi: welcome to reality :)
1551 2011-04-28 17:19:26 <BlueMatt> Apr28 16:42:06 mtgox    4,516.4940 @     2.65       USD
1552 2011-04-28 17:19:42 <BlueMatt> damn, someone really wants a high price
1553 2011-04-28 17:20:15 <jlewis> anyone know? :) mining.bitcoin.cz does it, for example
1554 2011-04-28 17:20:20 <gavinandresen> Huh.  Well, I did get a couple of "congratulations on the article in Forbes" on Tuesday from people who get the print edition, and it takes a day or two to get money into MtGox.....
1555 2011-04-28 17:20:27 <luke-jr> [13:15:58] <ljrbot> trade BCMarket:     600.00   BTC @    2.00        PPUSD (pending since Apr28 17:10:57)
1556 2011-04-28 17:20:29 <luke-jr> mwahaha
1557 2011-04-28 17:20:45 <chmod755> lol
1558 2011-04-28 17:21:06 <omglolbbq1> anyone know where i can find an actual list of gpu speeds?
1559 2011-04-28 17:21:32 <TD> morning gavin
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1561 2011-04-28 17:21:43 <gavinandresen> morning mike
1562 2011-04-28 17:22:13 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I thought the Forbes print was early May?
1563 2011-04-28 17:22:24 <chmod755> omglolbbq1: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison ?
1564 2011-04-28 17:22:29 <omglolbbq1> tnx
1565 2011-04-28 17:22:42 <BlueMatt> 0.3.21 is out, now its time to work on the long list of pending pull requests :)
1566 2011-04-28 17:22:50 <TD> congrats on getting the speaking gig :)
1567 2011-04-28 17:22:54 <TD> may it be the first of many
1568 2011-04-28 17:23:11 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: magazine dates are weird.  May 9 issue goes out April 26....
1569 2011-04-28 17:23:16 <BlueMatt> Ill drink to that
1570 2011-04-28 17:23:33 <luke-jr> O.o
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1572 2011-04-28 17:23:49 <chmod755> gavinandresen: congratulations on the article in Forbes :)
1573 2011-04-28 17:23:56 <luke-jr> :P
1574 2011-04-28 17:24:09 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 12627203
1575 2011-04-28 17:24:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 12627203 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 8 hours, 43 minutes, and 30 seconds
1576 2011-04-28 17:24:12 <gavinandresen> chmod755: thanks!  Wish they hadn't gone with the 'money and magic mushrooms" angle, though
1577 2011-04-28 17:24:16 <luke-jr> need moar power!
1578 2011-04-28 17:24:28 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: got any mining rigs you can put on the pool?
1579 2011-04-28 17:24:31 <TD> yeah, well, who can blame them when we make it so easy .....
1580 2011-04-28 17:24:51 <luke-jr> TD: well, the wiki went a whole day with drugs & porn removed…
1581 2011-04-28 17:24:52 <gavinandresen> luke-jr:  I don't really do hardware.
1582 2011-04-28 17:24:55 <TD> heh
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1584 2011-04-28 17:26:46 <jlewis> luke-jr: how do generated transactions work?
1585 2011-04-28 17:26:50 <TD> $2.50, what the heck ....
1586 2011-04-28 17:27:24 <JFK911> not anymore lol
1587 2011-04-28 17:27:29 <JFK911> pumped and dumped!
1588 2011-04-28 17:28:20 <dreamer_> wow that hurt
1589 2011-04-28 17:30:00 <luke-jr> jlewis: ?
1590 2011-04-28 17:30:14 <cosurgi> gavinandresen: can I see this article online somewhere?
1591 2011-04-28 17:30:26 <TD> here you go
1592 2011-04-28 17:30:27 <TD> http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0509/technology-psilocybin-bitcoins-gavin-andresen-crypto-currency.html
1593 2011-04-28 17:30:43 <jlewis> luke-jr: your forum thread says you receive payout from found blocks immediately as a "Generated transaction"
1594 2011-04-28 17:30:54 <cosurgi> thanks
1595 2011-04-28 17:31:20 <luke-jr> jlewis: yes
1596 2011-04-28 17:31:32 <cosurgi> gavinandresen: did you burn those paper money? What is it? doesn't look like EUR or USD...
1597 2011-04-28 17:31:51 <grbgout> gavinandresen: justed wanted to say that I found your video on the old bitcoin.org index page to be the best introductory video I've seen to date.
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1599 2011-04-28 17:32:41 <gavinandresen> I did accidently catch a Swiss Franc on fire during the photo shoot.  That's actually a collection of bills we have from previous travels: Australian, Swiss, French, American...
1600 2011-04-28 17:32:53 <jlewis> luke-jr: i'm curious how that works :)
1601 2011-04-28 17:33:02 <gavinandresen> Burning US dollars is apparently illegal, by the way.
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1603 2011-04-28 17:33:55 <TD> swiss francs are great
1604 2011-04-28 17:33:58 <TD> very colourful
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1606 2011-04-28 17:34:53 <luke-jr> jlewis: CreateBlock executes a command to tell it how to make coinbase txns
1607 2011-04-28 17:34:55 <TD> i will miss them once paper currency is obsolete :)
1608 2011-04-28 17:35:28 <Diablo-D3> [01:10:58] <BlueMatt> I wouldnt vote for luke, because Im afraid of him making TBC official instead of BTC
1609 2011-04-28 17:35:30 <Diablo-D3> fuck that
1610 2011-04-28 17:35:37 <Diablo-D3> make satoshi official
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1612 2011-04-28 17:35:54 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: what would I need to do, to check by hand in java if nonce=0 isn't a solution?
1613 2011-04-28 17:36:05 <grbgout> official what?
1614 2011-04-28 17:36:20 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: I think I saw a sha256 somewhere in your code, or sth like that...
1615 2011-04-28 17:36:26 <Diablo-D3> make satoshi officials
1616 2011-04-28 17:36:31 <Diablo-D3> er
1617 2011-04-28 17:36:36 <Diablo-D3> make satoshi official currency of the united states
1618 2011-04-28 17:36:37 <luke-jr> brb
1619 2011-04-28 17:36:40 <Diablo-D3> fucking keyboard
1620 2011-04-28 17:36:52 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: you dont have to check by hand
1621 2011-04-28 17:36:56 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: er
1622 2011-04-28 17:37:00 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: I dont check that at all
1623 2011-04-28 17:37:02 <Diablo-D3> if its 0, too bad
1624 2011-04-28 17:37:03 <Diablo-D3> its lost
1625 2011-04-28 17:37:32 <mtrlt> is it faster that way or something
1626 2011-04-28 17:37:33 <grbgout> erm, what are the alternatives? "I wouldn't vote for luke" ... I think I missed the all important lead in for this.  What time do you have now, so I can page up to your past time stamp?
1627 2011-04-28 17:37:59 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: ok, nvm.
1628 2011-04-28 17:38:24 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqAjQIfaHTU
1629 2011-04-28 17:38:39 <Diablo-D3> Thu Apr 28 13:34:19 EDT 2011
1630 2011-04-28 17:39:14 <TD> gavinandresen: was there another attack against the faucet?
1631 2011-04-28 17:39:35 <grbgout> Diablo-D3: wow, that's convenient; same timezone.
1632 2011-04-28 17:39:47 <TD> it's run very low again
1633 2011-04-28 17:40:38 <gavinandresen> If it is an attack, it is a very stealthy attack.  I spot-checked the logs, and all the accesses look like genuine people.
1634 2011-04-28 17:40:56 <TD> in that case i'll send some more coins to top it up. sent 30 a couple of days ago
1635 2011-04-28 17:41:09 <gavinandresen> The main bitcoin.org site was down yesterday because of load, so I'm pretty sure it is actual, new people.
1636 2011-04-28 17:41:31 <TD> do we have google analytics on the site? would be interesting to know how they find the site
1637 2011-04-28 17:41:58 <TD> hm, seems we don't
1638 2011-04-28 17:42:05 <gavinandresen> Nope, I should add that.
1639 2011-04-28 17:42:19 <gavinandresen> (I should do a BUNCH of work on the faucet....)
1640 2011-04-28 17:42:42 <TD> i'm happy to set up analytics given sufficient access
1641 2011-04-28 17:43:42 <TD> the bitcoinmonitor site is crazy right now. as many currency trades as there are transactions, pretty much
1642 2011-04-28 17:44:17 <tcatm> gavinandresen: no objections :)
1643 2011-04-28 17:45:35 <jrabbit> woah
1644 2011-04-28 17:46:15 <jrabbit> shoulda been running my mtgox bot
1645 2011-04-28 17:46:18 <grbgout> is there an RPC command to see how many confirmations a potential block has acquired? (To check "accepted" hashes from an instance poclbm connected to bitcoind)
1646 2011-04-28 17:46:20 <jrabbit> would have made more money :P
1647 2011-04-28 17:47:38 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: howd you get python compiled for spesmilo in win32?
1648 2011-04-28 17:47:39 <devrandom> luke-jr - is there an easy way to create a self-contained python executable on windows?
1649 2011-04-28 17:47:50 <BlueMatt> devrandom: I win ;)
1650 2011-04-28 17:48:01 <devrandom> on my screen I win...
1651 2011-04-28 17:48:11 <devrandom> remember, frames of reference are relative ;)
1652 2011-04-28 17:48:17 <BlueMatt> lol
1653 2011-04-28 17:48:30 <devrandom> or maybe I am just lagging more
1654 2011-04-28 17:48:47 <gavinandresen> grbgout: 0.3.21 bitcoin's listtransactions shows immature blocks-- not sure what you mean by 'potential block'
1655 2011-04-28 17:49:01 <theymos> Future Bitcoin releases need a much longer testing period. People have already found some minor bugs in 0.3.21, and there was a pretty serious bug in 0.3.20 (the send buffer limit). I think having separate stable/unstable branches would be good.
1656 2011-04-28 17:49:17 <TD> well, that won't increase the amount of testing.
1657 2011-04-28 17:49:20 <BlueMatt> theymos: what bug in 0.3.21?
1658 2011-04-28 17:49:28 <TD> basically need some kind of regression test suite
1659 2011-04-28 17:49:32 <theymos> There was some UI bug posted in the forum thread.
1660 2011-04-28 17:49:58 <theymos> New code is bad for security/stability. Letting it age for a while is good.
1661 2011-04-28 17:50:04 <devrandom> I agree with TD
1662 2011-04-28 17:50:17 <TD> the release process is already kind of slow :-)
1663 2011-04-28 17:50:19 <BlueMatt> No, I agree with theymos, we need longer rcs
1664 2011-04-28 17:50:24 <TD> for comparison we release a new version of gmail every week
1665 2011-04-28 17:50:29 <BlueMatt> well really we need more people to test rcs
1666 2011-04-28 17:50:31 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: py2exe
1667 2011-04-28 17:50:58 <gavinandresen> Yes, we need people to test release candidates-- and people just aren't/won't.
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1669 2011-04-28 17:51:08 <BlueMatt> yea
1670 2011-04-28 17:51:25 <theymos> Gmail is not a money transfer program, and you keep extensive backups. Sorting out a serious Bitcoin problem would be more difficult.
1671 2011-04-28 17:51:28 <luke-jr> devrandom: ^
1672 2011-04-28 17:51:32 <TD> well, it's also a lot more complicated
1673 2011-04-28 17:51:37 <grbgout> gavinandresen: ah, well, I saw four accepts when mining for namecoind (so, technically not bitcoind --- my bad); the last time I generated accepts (when I see "accepted" in poclbm) for namecoind they didn't appear in listtransactions until they had attained 120 confirmations. Namecoind almost certainly isn't up to 0.3.21 yet.
1674 2011-04-28 17:51:39 <TD> bugs can take users offline for days
1675 2011-04-28 17:51:47 <TD> my point is, automated testing is the way to go
1676 2011-04-28 17:51:59 <TD> doing it by hand for every release is kind of flaky
1677 2011-04-28 17:52:00 <echelon> are there plans to add ipv6 support for the bitcoin client?
1678 2011-04-28 17:52:03 <grbgout> as for potential, couldn't the block be stale, or discovered simultaneously as another miner?
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1680 2011-04-28 17:52:20 <theymos> Automatic testing is also good, but the most important thing is to let the code age for a while.
1681 2011-04-28 17:52:21 <luke-jr> echelon: I have a branch that doesn't quite work
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1683 2011-04-28 17:52:27 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck is namecoin anyhow?
1684 2011-04-28 17:52:33 <BlueMatt> echelon: if someone finishes it, yes
1685 2011-04-28 17:52:40 <echelon> cool
1686 2011-04-28 17:52:42 <grbgout> Diablo-D3: it's someone's attempt at a bitcoin inspired DNS.
1687 2011-04-28 17:52:47 <TD> echelon: the protocol has space for it
1688 2011-04-28 17:52:57 <TD> echelon: it represents addresses as ipv6 on the wire with the v4 addresses in mapped space
1689 2011-04-28 17:53:02 <TD> echelon: the software itself does not support it.
1690 2011-04-28 17:53:06 <TD> wanna volunteer? :-)
1691 2011-04-28 17:53:11 <gavinandresen> theymos: I've been trying to pull "might have big impact" changes early in the new release process, so they get more testing as people use top-of-git.
1692 2011-04-28 17:53:23 <justmoon> TD: are you ok with me posting the meetup thread for May 7th? or did you do it already and I missed it?
1693 2011-04-28 17:53:33 <TD> oops, sorry
1694 2011-04-28 17:53:39 <devrandom> luke-jr - thanks
1695 2011-04-28 17:53:41 <TD> that slipped my mind. yeah, please do
1696 2011-04-28 17:53:50 <justmoon> TD: kk, no worries :)
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1698 2011-04-28 17:54:09 <justmoon> TD: Same time and venue, right?
1699 2011-04-28 17:54:12 <TD> sure
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1702 2011-04-28 17:55:16 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: so I think bitcoin is going to take off even more once I finish my mining pool software
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1704 2011-04-28 17:57:03 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: :D
1705 2011-04-28 17:57:53 <bk128-Droid> Is it possible to mine with a 5870 and a 5970 in the same pc?  Or a 5xxx card and 6xxx card in the same pc?
1706 2011-04-28 17:58:05 <citiz3n> i would think so
1707 2011-04-28 17:58:11 <luke-jr> bk128-Droid: for 5xxx+6xxx, probably not efficiently
1708 2011-04-28 17:58:14 <theymos> gavinandresen: That doesn't satisfy me. I almost always use the old, stable versions of software. Bitcoin doesn't have anything like this, since critical changes are mixed in with new features. I'd like a version of 0.3.19 with the updated fee rules and other critical changes, but without any other new code.
1709 2011-04-28 17:58:16 <luke-jr> since 6xxx requires broken SDKs
1710 2011-04-28 17:58:29 <Diablo-D3> 6xxx would only cause you to be using 5xxx on 2.4
1711 2011-04-28 17:58:30 <Diablo-D3> also
1712 2011-04-28 17:58:37 <Diablo-D3> you probably CAN split it
1713 2011-04-28 17:58:44 <Diablo-D3> if you're on linux
1714 2011-04-28 17:58:50 <gavinandresen> theymos:  okey doke, go for it.
1715 2011-04-28 17:58:56 <citiz3n> how bad is 2.4 for 5870s in windows?
1716 2011-04-28 17:58:56 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: perhaps stop adding any new features to 0.3.x and start a 0.4.x branch with those
1717 2011-04-28 17:58:58 <Diablo-D3> tell my miner to use your 6xxx ids with one, then launch my miner again with the other on the path
1718 2011-04-28 17:59:03 <citiz3n> is it just a slight speed loss?
1719 2011-04-28 17:59:04 <B0g4r7> 5870 and 5970 works fine.
1720 2011-04-28 17:59:15 <B0g4r7> They're the same chip.
1721 2011-04-28 17:59:15 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: git can't reasonably backport, so bugfixes should be done in 0.3 branch
1722 2011-04-28 17:59:15 <bk128-Droid> Ok.  What's the cheapest place for 5970s now?
1723 2011-04-28 17:59:40 <gjs278> I got one for 400 shipped
1724 2011-04-28 17:59:41 <B0g4r7> :crickets:
1725 2011-04-28 17:59:57 <citiz3n> gjs, where?
1726 2011-04-28 18:00:01 <gjs278> hardforum.com
1727 2011-04-28 18:00:06 <bk128-Droid> gjs278: where
1728 2011-04-28 18:00:16 <bk128-Droid> Oh Ty
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1730 2011-04-28 18:00:19 <B0g4r7> eBay is insane.
1731 2011-04-28 18:00:27 <gjs278> go on hardforum make like 5 posts, go to for sale/trades, search 5970
1732 2011-04-28 18:00:32 <gjs278> then you can pm people
1733 2011-04-28 18:00:32 <B0g4r7> None of the fixed price ones are under 700.
1734 2011-04-28 18:00:56 <gjs278> every 5970 on hardforum is 380 - 400 they dont care
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1736 2011-04-28 18:01:17 <gjs278> they're all buying 6990's so none of them even worry about bitcoin they just use it for gaming
1737 2011-04-28 18:01:27 <citiz3n> gavinandresen, you didn't already have that meeting did you?
1738 2011-04-28 18:01:28 <Diablo-D3> I would buy 6990s now honestly
1739 2011-04-28 18:01:31 <Diablo-D3> they're not bad chips
1740 2011-04-28 18:01:45 <Diablo-D3> they're the second fastest miner around
1741 2011-04-28 18:01:54 <bk128-Droid> I think Bitcoin is keeping the eBay prices high.  Who else would pay the same for a 5xxx card as a 6xxx card
1742 2011-04-28 18:01:56 <gavinandresen> citiz3n: meeting?  you mean the talk I'll be giving in June?
1743 2011-04-28 18:02:04 <Diablo-D3> 6970/6990s are about 15% behind 5870/5970
1744 2011-04-28 18:02:09 <Diablo-D3> and its due to the SDK problem
1745 2011-04-28 18:02:12 <topi`> gavin: I think he's interested in the CIA
1746 2011-04-28 18:02:14 <citiz3n> someone was asking in #bitcoin-otc, so i thought I'd relay the question
1747 2011-04-28 18:02:14 <Diablo-D3> the hardware itself should be around the same
1748 2011-04-28 18:02:34 <citiz3n> they said "meeting" but they probably are referring to your scheduled presentation
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1750 2011-04-28 18:03:48 <eps> jeez the price dropped on mtgox pretty quickly didn't it...
1751 2011-04-28 18:04:25 <B0g4r7> you mean rose pretty quick
1752 2011-04-28 18:04:33 <eps> both
1753 2011-04-28 18:04:43 <citiz3n> look how much bitcoin has grown in the last 2 months - this is incredible :)
1754 2011-04-28 18:04:54 <eps> yeah
1755 2011-04-28 18:05:30 <bk128-Droid> How much in the last 10 months
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1757 2011-04-28 18:06:09 <B0g4r7> Grown in what regard?
1758 2011-04-28 18:06:13 <bk128-Droid> I remember buying at $.04
1759 2011-04-28 18:06:19 <WakiMiko> no
1760 2011-04-28 18:06:24 <WakiMiko> ;_;
1761 2011-04-28 18:06:32 <bk128-Droid> Value, popularity, userbase, merchants
1762 2011-04-28 18:06:33 <Diablo-D3> Ill probably end up buying a 6990 if I can get enough donations for DiabloMiner
1763 2011-04-28 18:07:06 <topi`> Diablo-D3: how much do you already have in donations?
1764 2011-04-28 18:07:17 <topi`> or is it a secret :D
1765 2011-04-28 18:07:26 <Diablo-D3> dunno, I had to literally eat my pile of coins =/
1766 2011-04-28 18:07:27 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rddbc464 / (serialize.h setup.nsi):
1767 2011-04-28 18:07:27 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Bump version number to 0.3.22
1768 2011-04-28 18:07:27 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Doing this now because I always forget to do it later.
1769 2011-04-28 18:07:27 <CIA-30> bitcoin: (I'm hoping the next release will actually be 0.4.0) - http://bit.ly/jFdw5U
1770 2011-04-28 18:07:30 <Diablo-D3> and most of it was mine
1771 2011-04-28 18:07:38 <Diablo-D3> I think the total donations have been below 25BTC
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1773 2011-04-28 18:08:43 <justmoon> Diablo-D3: address?
1774 2011-04-28 18:09:02 <bk128-Droid> I could never get your miner working on windows.  Poclbm works though
1775 2011-04-28 18:09:18 <bk128-Droid> Driver issues
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1777 2011-04-28 18:09:57 <Diablo-D3> justmoon: 1DbeWKCxnVCt3sRaSAmZLoboqr8pVyFzP1
1778 2011-04-28 18:10:31 <justmoon> Diablo-D3: now you've got more than 25 in donations ;)
1779 2011-04-28 18:10:51 <Diablo-D3> heh :D
1780 2011-04-28 18:11:07 <Diablo-D3> it sucks though, my last bit of coins, Im buying food with
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1783 2011-04-28 18:12:16 <jaromil> gavinandresen: the autotool branch has already 0.4.0 in configure.ac's PACKAGE_VERSION :D
1784 2011-04-28 18:12:46 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: I thought next was 0.4? not 0.3.22?
1785 2011-04-28 18:12:54 <da2ce7> we are so not ready for fo 0.4
1786 2011-04-28 18:13:02 <Diablo-D3> a 6990 should be able to pay for itself after a year or so though
1787 2011-04-28 18:13:28 <citiz3n> a year? it should only take 3 months max
1788 2011-04-28 18:13:43 <Diablo-D3> citiz3n: not 24/7, and power is expensive here in Maine
1789 2011-04-28 18:13:46 <jaromil> nxt is 0.3.22 and if caedes moves his finger more on the thing we have swig bindings to other languages without actual changes to the code
1790 2011-04-28 18:13:53 <citiz3n> ah, not 24/7
1791 2011-04-28 18:13:55 <Diablo-D3> its also a $700 fucking card
1792 2011-04-28 18:13:57 <jaromil> i'd call that 0.4  - IMHO
1793 2011-04-28 18:14:14 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: what needs changed so much for 0.4?
1794 2011-04-28 18:15:27 <BlueMatt> jaromil: caedes? swig?
1795 2011-04-28 18:16:50 <jaromil> BlueMatt: caedes is a friend of mind and genjix. they'll be spending the second night together now..
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1797 2011-04-28 18:17:24 <jaromil> it happens that caedes is very talented with swig
1798 2011-04-28 18:18:04 <jaromil> if it goes that way in a few days the code will get incredibly flexible to readapt in lots more languages
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1800 2011-04-28 18:18:30 <jaromil> then its about to socialize it a bit here. judging from the pace of maintainance of bitcoind codebase that will take months
1801 2011-04-28 18:19:26 <jaromil> however today i've seen this thing out of a night of those two hacking and i was happy
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1803 2011-04-28 18:19:52 <BlueMatt> jaromil: wouldnt swig be used for libraries not applications?
1804 2011-04-28 18:20:11 <jaromil> BlueMatt: bitcoind is close to being a library...
1805 2011-04-28 18:20:25 <jaromil> i can make it a libtoolized library in half a day if you need :)
1806 2011-04-28 18:20:41 <jaromil> i'm just taking it easy since everyone else is, which makes sense after all
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1808 2011-04-28 18:21:05 <BlueMatt> interesting
1809 2011-04-28 18:21:11 <jaromil> but well genjix was experimenting with this python rewrite... i am against
1810 2011-04-28 18:21:35 <justmoon> sgornick: thanks for adding our meetup to the list - that was fast!
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1812 2011-04-28 18:21:41 <BlueMatt> why wouldnt we work harder to make a libbitcoin first before we make it into a swig lib?
1813 2011-04-28 18:21:43 <jaromil> so we had some argument about it last night and then he came up from a session with caedes and now we have something usable from python which has the same exact bitcoind code underneath
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1816 2011-04-28 18:22:32 <jaromil> we are all too far away. we cannot work harder without proper trust...
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1819 2011-04-28 18:22:45 <jaromil> speeding it up means more resp. distribution
1820 2011-04-28 18:22:51 <jaromil> which is not advisable in this phase
1821 2011-04-28 18:23:08 <jaromil> maybe branch bitcoind in stable and unstable
1822 2011-04-28 18:23:39 <jaromil> however. we all have other projects to take care of :)
1823 2011-04-28 18:26:02 <lianj> is cpp really wanted or needed for libbitcoin?
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1826 2011-04-28 18:28:23 <BlueMatt> what is planned for 0.3.22 vs 0.4?
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1834 2011-04-28 18:34:38 <jaromil> lianj: i like cpp. however the fact now is that the codebase is working and should be changed the less as possible. it is possible to have libbitcoin with little change.
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1838 2011-04-28 18:36:04 <lianj> there gonna be a C api on top of it?
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1841 2011-04-28 18:44:33 <EvanR> having trouble with my second 5970 i just installed
1842 2011-04-28 18:45:03 <EvanR> http://codepad.org/7LHUHbBN
1843 2011-04-28 18:45:19 <EvanR> poclbm doesnt see the second two cpus, and none of the commands work for the second card
1844 2011-04-28 18:45:52 <EvanR> http://codepad.org/aA1A9lsn
1845 2011-04-28 18:49:06 <gjs278> reinitilaze your xorg
1846 2011-04-28 18:49:51 <EvanR> i tried reinstalling the ati drivers, guess that wasnt enough
1847 2011-04-28 18:49:55 <EvanR> whats the command
1848 2011-04-28 18:50:06 <EvanR> Xorg -configure ?
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1850 2011-04-28 18:51:19 <gjs278> no
1851 2011-04-28 18:51:24 <gjs278> its in aticonfig
1852 2011-04-28 18:51:46 <gjs278> aticonfig --initial --adapters=all or something like that
1853 2011-04-28 18:53:12 <jaromil> lianj: (this all IMHO) there won't be a C api, but you can always write "C style" code and compile all with g++
1854 2011-04-28 18:54:09 <EvanR> gjs278: ok (--adapter=all) then restart X ?
1855 2011-04-28 18:54:09 <jaromil> however these are predictions, i'm not in charge of maintainance, just a mere contributor awaiting judgment, but i've read the code by now...
1856 2011-04-28 18:54:24 <gjs278> yeah
1857 2011-04-28 18:54:29 <gjs278> it will generate you a new xorg.conf
1858 2011-04-28 18:54:36 <EvanR> how can i restart X from ssh?
1859 2011-04-28 18:54:38 <gjs278> and it will include all 4 cores from any 5970's it detects
1860 2011-04-28 18:54:42 <gjs278> well
1861 2011-04-28 18:54:45 <gjs278> you can kill X
1862 2011-04-28 18:54:51 <gjs278> and then start it again
1863 2011-04-28 18:54:59 <EvanR> k ill try startx
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1865 2011-04-28 18:55:31 <jaromil> if you kill i doubt you can restart unless you have xdm or another display manager
1866 2011-04-28 18:55:38 <EvanR> i dont
1867 2011-04-28 18:55:45 <jaromil> well maybe you can but i'm not sure
1868 2011-04-28 18:55:55 <jaromil> you'll get the X console output on the ssh... mmm
1869 2011-04-28 18:57:03 <EvanR> ok
1870 2011-04-28 18:57:04 <Validus> umm. you have virtual terminals
1871 2011-04-28 18:57:08 <EvanR> the fan command still didnt work
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1873 2011-04-28 18:57:32 <EvanR> but the temperature does work
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1875 2011-04-28 18:58:00 <Validus> press ctrl+alt+f2, login, restart X, then hit ctrl+alt+f7 (should be, might be 6 cant member lol)
1876 2011-04-28 18:58:09 <Validus> it goes right back. to your 1st terminal
1877 2011-04-28 18:58:15 <EvanR> Validus: im not at the mahine
1878 2011-04-28 18:58:20 <Validus> err hit alt+f7, sorry, ctrl is only needed when in xwindows
1879 2011-04-28 18:58:37 <EvanR> alright, fan command worked for DISPLAY=:0.0 i wonder if that means both fans went to 100
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1881 2011-04-28 18:59:15 <jaromil> EvanR: is there anyone close to the machine, in case it explodes? :D
1882 2011-04-28 18:59:20 <EvanR> no
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1885 2011-04-28 19:00:20 <EvanR> how do i check the fan speed?
1886 2011-04-28 19:00:49 <EvanR> the temp is slow decreasing so --adapter=all may have worked
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1889 2011-04-28 19:03:57 <EvanR> poclbm sees all gpus
1890 2011-04-28 19:04:01 <EvanR> miner online
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1909 2011-04-28 19:38:25 <Diablo-D3> okay
1910 2011-04-28 19:38:34 <Diablo-D3> a 4850 is approx 9.5 inches long
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1912 2011-04-28 19:42:28 <Diablo-D3> theres no way I can fit a 6990 or 5970 in my box
1913 2011-04-28 19:42:59 <Diablo-D3> 5850 and 6950 are apparently both 9.5 as well
1914 2011-04-28 19:43:46 <Diablo-D3> oh wait 6950 is the same as a 6970
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1916 2011-04-28 19:43:52 <Diablo-D3> and its 10.75"
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1918 2011-04-28 19:44:40 <grbgout> ah, that reminds me, I need to remove the floppy covers from my case to improve the airflow to the 5870, thanks Diablo-D3 ^_^
1919 2011-04-28 19:45:10 <Diablo-D3> the plugs on these newer cards are on the top right?
1920 2011-04-28 19:45:21 <grbgout> Not on the one I got, but I don't know how new it is.
1921 2011-04-28 19:45:43 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: hey
1922 2011-04-28 19:46:10 <grbgout> he's ranting in -mining about soldering techniques.
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1924 2011-04-28 19:48:56 <bk128> ArtForz: did you ever take any pics of your chips?
1925 2011-04-28 19:50:09 <ArtForz> bk128: yes
1926 2011-04-28 19:50:22 <ArtForz> and no, I won't post em
1927 2011-04-28 19:50:26 <bk128> oh :(
1928 2011-04-28 19:50:31 <bk128> classified
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1936 2011-04-28 19:57:50 <RenaKunisaki> hmm. "Sorry, you must have Javascript enabled to use Mt. Gox"
1937 2011-04-28 19:58:38 <RenaKunisaki> right... I do, and everything seems to be working. Thanks for the info I guess, but I don't see much need to apologize :p
1938 2011-04-28 20:01:06 <x5x> man that site is so ghetto
1939 2011-04-28 20:01:38 <x5x> kinda sad its the one thing propping up the value of bitcoins
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1941 2011-04-28 20:01:46 <BlueMatt> x5x: talk to MagicalTux about it
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1944 2011-04-28 20:01:59 <x5x> is that the mtgox dood
1945 2011-04-28 20:02:04 <BlueMatt> yes
1946 2011-04-28 20:02:21 <BlueMatt> you could always go to #bitcoin-otc and buy/sell there
1947 2011-04-28 20:02:27 <BlueMatt> or one of the other 4-5 sites
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1949 2011-04-28 20:03:23 <x5x> yea but seems liek mtgox pretty much holds the biggest share of trading by far
1950 2011-04-28 20:03:24 <ersi> RenaKunisaki: And you don't happen to have 'noscript' or any other JS-blocker on? :o
1951 2011-04-28 20:03:34 <x5x> ersi, nah it always says that until the js loads
1952 2011-04-28 20:03:40 <ersi> ah, lol
1953 2011-04-28 20:03:47 <x5x> i've never used another site liek it
1954 2011-04-28 20:04:29 <BlueMatt> meh, hes working on making it better, but there are functionality additions that are of higher priority than design
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1959 2011-04-28 20:10:08 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|nanotube, should add my pool's hashrate to gribble :p
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1962 2011-04-28 20:11:35 <nanotube> luke-jr|otg: is there json url we can query for that?
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1980 2011-04-28 20:28:32 <skyewm> is there a default rpcuser?
1981 2011-04-28 20:29:14 <gjs278> just make one up
1982 2011-04-28 20:30:51 <skyewm> there's no default? it would be convenient for me (I'm creating fresh clients a lot)
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1986 2011-04-28 20:32:35 <brocktice> mtgox volume is listed in BTC right?
1987 2011-04-28 20:32:49 <BlueMatt> brocktice: I think so, ask on #bitcoin-otc
1988 2011-04-28 20:32:55 <tcatm> brocktice: yep
1989 2011-04-28 20:33:16 <brocktice> insane. over $200k USD volume in the last 24 hours
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1991 2011-04-28 20:35:21 <tcatm> brocktice: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD_trades.html has USD + BTC volume for last 15min .. 1y
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1996 2011-04-28 20:36:44 <brocktice> tcatm: thanks
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2005 2011-04-28 20:48:05 <ntosme2> has the ati stream sdk been renamed to amd app?
2006 2011-04-28 20:48:38 <ntosme2> AMD seems to have shuffled their website around a lot
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2039 2011-04-28 21:42:03 <green_eggs> Yesterday I called $2.50 (I was off by +15 --  $2.65). Tomorrow's BTC will be $3.00 .....   $4 BTC by Cinqo De Mayo.  STAY TUNED....
2040 2011-04-28 21:42:44 <green_eggs> Everyone thought I was crazy when I said by in mass at .50... including everyone here....
2041 2011-04-28 21:43:02 <x5x> green_eggs, dooo it
2042 2011-04-28 21:43:13 <green_eggs> I own 15K BTC
2043 2011-04-28 21:43:21 <x5x> me2, hi5
2044 2011-04-28 21:43:23 <green_eggs> i -did
2045 2011-04-28 21:43:49 <lyspooner> green_eggs, i will buy them all for 30,000 USD
2046 2011-04-28 21:44:48 <green_eggs> lyspooner, not for sale... Some are for sale at 4.20
2047 2011-04-28 21:45:00 <green_eggs> I think I have 4200 @ 4.20
2048 2011-04-28 21:45:05 <green_eggs> just for kicks
2049 2011-04-28 21:45:09 <green_eggs> sould be soon.
2050 2011-04-28 21:45:24 <x5x> green_eggs, whered u get ur crystal ball from
2051 2011-04-28 21:45:40 <green_eggs> 10 years of stock trading.
2052 2011-04-28 21:45:51 <green_eggs> blood simple
2053 2011-04-28 21:45:54 <x5x> green_eggs, are u the tech analysis dood ?
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2055 2011-04-28 21:46:06 <eps> do you think bitcoin is a long term investment?
2056 2011-04-28 21:46:07 <green_eggs> comp sci
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2058 2011-04-28 21:46:27 <green_eggs> 1 year ago BTC was at .04
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2060 2011-04-28 21:46:33 <BlueMatt> I believe this is more suited to be discussed on #bitcoin-otc
2061 2011-04-28 21:46:58 <BlueMatt>  /nazi
2062 2011-04-28 21:47:40 <green_eggs> Anyway, good luck everyone... and long live BTC!
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2066 2011-04-28 21:50:30 <ThomasV_> is wallet.dat needed while the client is operating ? or is it just loaded initially, and saved on exit ?
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2076 2011-04-28 22:06:30 <sethsethseth> ;;difficulty
2077 2011-04-28 22:06:31 <gribble> Error: "difficulty" is not a valid command.
2078 2011-04-28 22:06:37 <sethsethseth> dang it what is it
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2080 2011-04-28 22:07:07 <sethsethseth> ;;bc,estimate
2081 2011-04-28 22:07:09 <gribble> 107733.45106105
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2084 2011-04-28 22:14:13 <molecular> does "getreceivedbyaddress" only work for my own addresses?
2085 2011-04-28 22:14:38 <Androgynous_> for pool mining?
2086 2011-04-28 22:14:43 <Androgynous_> you could put anyone's there
2087 2011-04-28 22:15:18 <molecular> ~/bitcoin/bitcoin_git/bitcoin getreceivedbyaddress 1HT7jE1h496txKT8wZc29gBspmKKrcLabj give me 0.00 while on http://blockexplorer.com/address/1HT7jE1h496txKT8wZc29gBspmKKrcLabj I see 18.32
2088 2011-04-28 22:15:34 <BlueMatt> only your addresses I beleive
2089 2011-04-28 22:15:47 <molecular> damn. but the data would be available, right?
2090 2011-04-28 22:16:42 <BlueMatt> via standard rpc, I dont think so
2091 2011-04-28 22:16:50 <BlueMatt> modified rpc, of course
2092 2011-04-28 22:16:53 <molecular> I mean I could hack up bitcoin
2093 2011-04-28 22:16:57 <molecular> theoretically
2094 2011-04-28 22:17:01 <BlueMatt> yea
2095 2011-04-28 22:17:21 <molecular> it would have to search through the whole tx-db, though
2096 2011-04-28 22:17:36 <BlueMatt> you could hack it up to create an index by address
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2098 2011-04-28 22:17:43 <molecular> yeah
2099 2011-04-28 22:18:16 <BlueMatt> is it just me or are there a bunch of new users today?
2100 2011-04-28 22:19:10 <molecular> I could also use blockexplorer: http://blockexplorer.com//q/getreceivedbyaddress/1HT7jE1h496txKT8wZc29gBspmKKrcLabj
2101 2011-04-28 22:19:19 <BlueMatt> or that
2102 2011-04-28 22:20:10 <molecular> who's running blockexplorer anyway?
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2104 2011-04-28 22:20:26 <molecular> I'll have to donate some coins...
2105 2011-04-28 22:20:31 * molecular just saw the donation address
2106 2011-04-28 22:20:44 <BlueMatt> "Tell me (theymos) if you find any bugs."
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2108 2011-04-28 22:20:52 <BlueMatt> so...theymos Id assume
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2134 2011-04-28 23:04:24 <vorlov> hello
2135 2011-04-28 23:04:33 <luke-jr> nanotube: text/plain
2136 2011-04-28 23:04:46 <echelon> mtg sellers, stop settling at $2 :|
2137 2011-04-28 23:04:53 <vorlov> i was wondering if everybody accepting bitcoin as payment is using blockexplorer to verify or running bitcoind in the background and running ajax queries directly to it?
2138 2011-04-28 23:05:18 <echelon> blockexplorer has an api?
2139 2011-04-28 23:05:20 <tcatm> vorlov: most run bitcoind
2140 2011-04-28 23:05:37 <vorlov> and u just run ajax commands directly and figure out what u need to figure out
2141 2011-04-28 23:05:37 <vorlov> ?
2142 2011-04-28 23:05:44 <nanotube> luke-jr: url?
2143 2011-04-28 23:05:52 <vorlov> i meant to say JSON-RPC cmds
2144 2011-04-28 23:05:53 <vorlov> not ajax
2145 2011-04-28 23:05:54 <echelon> vorlov, json commands
2146 2011-04-28 23:05:54 <tcatm> depends on what you want to figure out ;)
2147 2011-04-28 23:05:57 <vorlov> bad choice of words
2148 2011-04-28 23:05:59 <echelon> yeah
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2151 2011-04-28 23:06:17 <luke-jr> nanotube: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/pool
2152 2011-04-28 23:08:39 <vorlov> is there a bitcoin accepting hosting service that allows running bitcoind for your user?
2153 2011-04-28 23:09:07 <tcatm> vorlov: xf2.org
2154 2011-04-28 23:09:10 <BlueMatt> vorlov: if you want just bitcoind ask jgarzik about xf2.org
2155 2011-04-28 23:09:27 <BlueMatt> if you want a full vm, well just try and see if your host gets mad
2156 2011-04-28 23:10:27 <vorlov> no
2157 2011-04-28 23:10:35 <vorlov> what i'd like is a hosting package that allows ssh and running bitcoind
2158 2011-04-28 23:10:37 <vorlov> in the background
2159 2011-04-28 23:10:41 <vorlov> so i could accept payments
2160 2011-04-28 23:10:48 <lulzplzkthx> VPS?
2161 2011-04-28 23:10:51 <vorlov> yes
2162 2011-04-28 23:10:54 <BlueMatt> yea, just get a vps and see if your host gets mad
2163 2011-04-28 23:10:59 <BlueMatt> Im assuming the ones that take btc wont
2164 2011-04-28 23:11:19 <lulzplzkthx> nearlyfreespeech.net <-- doesn't accept bitcoin, but pretty cheap.
2165 2011-04-28 23:11:44 <lulzplzkthx> supposedly this: https://www.kalyhost.com/?Currency=BTC (from forums
2166 2011-04-28 23:12:26 <nanotube> lulzplzkthx: so would you like to pull the hashrate.php, with the json info, or the .txt, with just the hashrate?
2167 2011-04-28 23:12:32 <nanotube> luke-jr: ^
2168 2011-04-28 23:12:34 <nanotube> sorry lulzplzkthx not for you :)
2169 2011-04-28 23:12:39 <lulzplzkthx> :P
2170 2011-04-28 23:13:08 <luke-jr> nanotube: just the txt? ☺
2171 2011-04-28 23:13:12 <vorlov> where are kalyhost servers located?
2172 2011-04-28 23:13:34 <luke-jr> vorlov: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps&currency=BTC
2173 2011-04-28 23:14:10 <luke-jr> tcatm: so is my pool too small for the pie chart?
2174 2011-04-28 23:14:10 <vorlov> thank you!
2175 2011-04-28 23:14:21 <nanotube> ;;bc,lukepool
2176 2011-04-28 23:14:27 <gribble> "Luke's pool hash rate: 9677992973.65\n"
2177 2011-04-28 23:14:32 <luke-jr> XD
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2179 2011-04-28 23:14:36 <divergenta> ;;bc,mtgox
2180 2011-04-28 23:14:36 <nanotube> luke-jr: ^ bight want to take out the \n :)
2181 2011-04-28 23:14:36 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.66,"vol":102668,"buy":2.2253,"sell":2.33,"last":2.33}}
2182 2011-04-28 23:14:41 <BlueMatt> vorlov: kalyhost is hosted by http://www.intergenia.de/
2183 2011-04-28 23:14:55 <tcatm> luke-jr: nope
2184 2011-04-28 23:15:00 <BlueMatt> vorlov: for reference the dashjr.org vps are run by luke-jr (self promotion)
2185 2011-04-28 23:15:11 <vorlov> oh i see :-D
2186 2011-04-28 23:15:12 <vorlov> nice!
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2189 2011-04-28 23:15:28 <tcatm> luke-jr: slush's pool is down
2190 2011-04-28 23:15:32 <BlueMatt> vorlov: its amazing what you can learn with dig -x `dig +short kalyhost.com` ;)
2191 2011-04-28 23:15:42 <tcatm> makes the script hang
2192 2011-04-28 23:15:48 <luke-jr> tcatm: I don't understand how that relates to mine not being on the pie chart O.o
2193 2011-04-28 23:16:02 <tcatm> the chart isn't  updated at all
2194 2011-04-28 23:16:07 <luke-jr> o
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2196 2011-04-28 23:17:37 <luke-jr> if slush's pool is down why aren't more people joining mine? :<
2197 2011-04-28 23:18:14 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: because mining still works, just the website doesnt
2198 2011-04-28 23:18:29 <luke-jr> o
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2201 2011-04-28 23:21:08 <lulzplzkthx> Lol ^
2202 2011-04-28 23:21:10 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: which is yours?
2203 2011-04-28 23:21:24 <luke-jr> hmm, I guess now that I know it works, I don't personally especially care to have more hash power in my pool-- that will just make my payouts unmanagably small and force me to implement some kind of consolidating algo
2204 2011-04-28 23:21:25 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: all the dashjr.org stuff is luke-jr's
2205 2011-04-28 23:21:33 <lulzplzkthx> ah
2206 2011-04-28 23:21:34 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: pool.bitcoin.dashjr.org:8337
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2208 2011-04-28 23:22:20 <lulzplzkthx> lol...
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2210 2011-04-28 23:26:32 <slush> website back up
2211 2011-04-28 23:27:07 <phantomcircuit> so what was wrong with the forums?
2212 2011-04-28 23:27:17 <luke-jr> slush: you should shutdown the pool itself so I can grow
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2214 2011-04-28 23:27:39 <slush> ha ha
2215 2011-04-28 23:27:46 <[Tycho]> luke-jr, you want to ruin bitcoin economy ? :)
2216 2011-04-28 23:28:00 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: no?
2217 2011-04-28 23:28:19 <[Tycho]> People will lose all their nanocents :)
2218 2011-04-28 23:28:37 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: only if they run buggy clients
2219 2011-04-28 23:28:46 <[Tycho]> *only client :)
2220 2011-04-28 23:29:19 <[Tycho]> I know that i need to combine coins, but they don't.
2221 2011-04-28 23:29:20 <luke-jr> no modern client loses cmBTC
2222 2011-04-28 23:29:31 <[Tycho]> What is cmBTC ?
2223 2011-04-28 23:29:33 <BlueMatt> modern being the client from yesterday
2224 2011-04-28 23:29:37 <luke-jr> centi-milli-BTC?
2225 2011-04-28 23:29:46 <BlueMatt> just call them satoshi's
2226 2011-04-28 23:29:48 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: or Spesmilo, at least
2227 2011-04-28 23:29:53 <[Tycho]> Even the official too ?
2228 2011-04-28 23:30:13 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: spesmilo doesnt lose coins when used with bitcoind<0.3.21?
2229 2011-04-28 23:30:25 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: there is no official.
2230 2011-04-28 23:30:33 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: the original client no longer has the bug, though
2231 2011-04-28 23:30:48 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I was referring to using the included bitcoind ;)
2232 2011-04-28 23:30:56 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: currently every client except the bitcoin that came out yesterday loses coins
2233 2011-04-28 23:31:07 <gjs278> how many
2234 2011-04-28 23:31:09 <gjs278> coins
2235 2011-04-28 23:31:12 <BlueMatt> (or the bitcoind that ships with spesmilo, it being >0.3.20 but <0.3.21)
2236 2011-04-28 23:31:16 <BlueMatt> gjs278: <0.01
2237 2011-04-28 23:31:21 <gjs278> ok
2238 2011-04-28 23:31:22 <BlueMatt> per txin? or tx?
2239 2011-04-28 23:31:38 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: per tx
2240 2011-04-28 23:31:51 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: also, I don't know if BitcoinJ has that bug
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2242 2011-04-28 23:31:55 <luke-jr> it would seem unlikely
2243 2011-04-28 23:32:04 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,calc 1124076
2244 2011-04-28 23:32:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1124076 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 4 days, 2 hours, and 49 seconds
2245 2011-04-28 23:32:11 <LtBrenton> \o/
2246 2011-04-28 23:32:21 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: true, but currently what one client uses bitcoinj and no one uses that client?
2247 2011-04-28 23:33:14 <vorlov> ;;bx,mtgox
2248 2011-04-28 23:33:14 <gribble> Error: "bx,mtgox" is not a valid command.
2249 2011-04-28 23:33:25 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,mtgox
2250 2011-04-28 23:33:25 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.66,"vol":100375,"buy":2.33,"sell":2.35,"last":2.35}}
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2252 2011-04-28 23:39:28 <phantomcircuit> lol
2253 2011-04-28 23:39:35 <phantomcircuit> anybody planning on going to noise bridge ?
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2258 2011-04-28 23:53:34 <skyewm> hey, I'm running the testnet-in-a-box (two-node testnet basically), with a miner mining for one of the nodes
2259 2011-04-28 23:53:43 <`lolwut> what's the deal with byte reordering in getwork?
2260 2011-04-28 23:53:46 <skyewm> but the OTHER node gets the generated bitcoins whenever a block is found!
2261 2011-04-28 23:54:01 <skyewm> halp anyone??
2262 2011-04-28 23:54:05 <luke-jr> someone should make a C-like game for Bitcoin <.<
2263 2011-04-28 23:54:12 <`lolwut> is there a sane explanation of what's going on anywhere? it seems it reorders the bytes for no reason before sending them and then reorders them back upon receiving??
2264 2011-04-28 23:54:26 <luke-jr> `lolwut: basically XD
2265 2011-04-28 23:54:53 <`lolwut> what order should things be in to just
2266 2011-04-28 23:54:59 <`lolwut> apply standard sha256
2267 2011-04-28 23:55:08 <`lolwut> like if I dumped the block header (80 bytes I think?) to a file
2268 2011-04-28 23:55:12 <luke-jr> `lolwut: read up on endians
2269 2011-04-28 23:55:25 <`lolwut> yeah I know that is the issue what I wonder is
2270 2011-04-28 23:55:32 <`lolwut> why it changes the endianness and then changes it back
2271 2011-04-28 23:56:23 <skyewm> `lolwut: I think the SHA256 algorithm takes big-endian input
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2273 2011-04-28 23:56:37 <`lolwut> er it takes bytes..
2274 2011-04-28 23:56:56 <skyewm> `lolwut: but x86 code is generally little-endian, so it has to convert between the two
2275 2011-04-28 23:57:11 <skyewm> the endianess is in respect to each byte
2276 2011-04-28 23:57:23 <`lolwut> ? its in respect to each block of 4 bytes
2277 2011-04-28 23:59:33 <`lolwut> ok here is a simple direct question hopefully someone can answer
2278 2011-04-28 23:59:44 <`lolwut> if I want to just take the "data" from getwork