1 2011-04-29 00:00:03 <`lolwut> say, dump it to an 80 byte file
2 2011-04-29 00:00:11 <`lolwut> then run the "sha256sum" command on that file
3 2011-04-29 00:00:23 <`lolwut> and then run sha256sum on the resulting file
4 2011-04-29 00:00:33 <`lolwut> what do I need to do to "data" to get that to be correct
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6 2011-04-29 00:03:19 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 1425300
7 2011-04-29 00:03:20 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1425300 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 3 days, 5 hours, 17 minutes, and 58 seconds
8 2011-04-29 00:03:35 <sipa> ;;bc,prob 1425300 1w
9 2011-04-29 00:03:36 <gribble> 0.886205926223
10 2011-04-29 00:03:55 <`lolwut> is there a way I can just see the raw 80 byte string of the current block header?
11 2011-04-29 00:04:24 <sipa> use getwork rpc call?
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13 2011-04-29 00:04:31 <`lolwut> er
14 2011-04-29 00:04:41 <ArtForz> getwork output is completely backwards iirc
15 2011-04-29 00:04:43 <`lolwut> I want it as it appears raw
16 2011-04-29 00:04:44 <`lolwut> yes
17 2011-04-29 00:04:46 <`lolwut> EXACTLY
18 2011-04-29 00:05:03 <ArtForz> as in, exactly backwards byte and word order
19 2011-04-29 00:05:22 <`lolwut> byte backwards too?
20 2011-04-29 00:05:27 <`lolwut> the version is in front...
21 2011-04-29 00:05:39 <iera> just try it?
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23 2011-04-29 00:06:29 <`lolwut> I want the current blockheader so I can figure out how to reorganize things to get the hash right
24 2011-04-29 00:07:16 <`lolwut> I could keep watching output of getwork until a new block comes so I have the hash of the previous block but
25 2011-04-29 00:07:23 <`lolwut> I can't fully reconstruct the prev block without its nonce
26 2011-04-29 00:07:26 <`lolwut> which getwork doesn't provide
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29 2011-04-29 00:12:12 <EvanR> i just got home, and the second 5970 doesnt seem to have its fan set to 100%
30 2011-04-29 00:12:25 <EvanR> how do i set the second 5970s fan to 100?
31 2011-04-29 00:12:54 <gjs278> you have to use export and set it that way
32 2011-04-29 00:13:21 <EvanR> eh?
33 2011-04-29 00:13:28 <gjs278> something like export DISPLAY=:0.1 and then set the fanspeed
34 2011-04-29 00:13:33 <gjs278> go read every 5970 guide
35 2011-04-29 00:13:40 <EvanR> i did that
36 2011-04-29 00:13:41 <gjs278> they have all of the tricks
37 2011-04-29 00:13:51 <gjs278> try DISPLAY=:0.0 as well
38 2011-04-29 00:13:57 <gjs278> and any others you may have
39 2011-04-29 00:13:57 <EvanR> ati_pplib_cmd: execute "set" failed
40 2011-04-29 00:13:59 <EvanR> 0.0 works
41 2011-04-29 00:14:02 <EvanR> the first card is at 100
42 2011-04-29 00:15:13 <EvanR> what 5970 guide?
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45 2011-04-29 00:17:45 <gjs278> any of them
46 2011-04-29 00:17:55 <gjs278> try and specify adapter too
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48 2011-04-29 00:18:45 <EvanR> got it
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50 2011-04-29 00:19:07 <orbiting> I'm thinking of doing an Android client for bitcoin. One of the considerations is the amount of traffic that it will use. Anybody have any rough estimates?
51 2011-04-29 00:19:40 <orbiting> No one will want to use it if it eats up all of their mobile allotment...
52 2011-04-29 00:19:53 <B0g4r7> uh..."not very much"?
53 2011-04-29 00:20:01 <EvanR> for reference, DISPLAY=:0.2 is the trick
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55 2011-04-29 00:20:17 <B0g4r7> I have pretty limited home internet, and running bitcoind does not cause me to notice it's usage.
56 2011-04-29 00:20:28 <B0g4r7> I get half a megabit on a good day.
57 2011-04-29 00:20:37 <B0g4r7> and .05Mbps on a bad day/
58 2011-04-29 00:20:44 <orbiting> Cause otherwise the design will take an alternate route for the mobile app.
59 2011-04-29 00:20:55 <orbiting> It'll just rpc home.
60 2011-04-29 00:21:02 <orbiting> And only do a single connect.
61 2011-04-29 00:21:17 <B0g4r7> If you want a precise answer I would recommend capturing a sample of bitcoin traffic with tcpdump and calculating it's consumption.
62 2011-04-29 00:21:18 <orbiting> But that model would hurt adoption.
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66 2011-04-29 00:21:41 <B0g4r7> Also, for mobile, I would be more concerned with battery use than bandwidth.
67 2011-04-29 00:21:51 <orbiting> Touche. Being lazy as bitcoin is on the other computer.... windows.
68 2011-04-29 00:22:10 <orbiting> Well it isn't going to be generating. That's for sure.
69 2011-04-29 00:22:38 <B0g4r7> I would hope not.
70 2011-04-29 00:22:55 <orbiting> But yeah. First use getting the block chain should definitely be done connected.
71 2011-04-29 00:22:58 <B0g4r7> Seems like the time it would need to use the most is when it's trying to push a transaction out.
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73 2011-04-29 00:23:59 <B0g4r7> What do you plan to do for the UI to save the user from typing in the long addresses (if anything)?
74 2011-04-29 00:24:00 <orbiting> And then the third option is to just have it control home.
75 2011-04-29 00:24:10 <orbiting> Bluetooth actually.
76 2011-04-29 00:24:24 <orbiting> real person 2 real person transactions
77 2011-04-29 00:24:31 <B0g4r7> ah
78 2011-04-29 00:24:36 <B0g4r7> Not a bad idea.
79 2011-04-29 00:24:42 <B0g4r7> Did you see Paypal
80 2011-04-29 00:24:48 <B0g4r7> 's "bump" thing?
81 2011-04-29 00:24:49 <orbiting> "great we've done the transaction - now let's hang around for 3 hours" :P
82 2011-04-29 00:24:56 <B0g4r7> To send mobile to mobile, you
83 2011-04-29 00:24:57 <orbiting> Nope.
84 2011-04-29 00:24:58 <x5x> is anyone thinking about replacing the official client with a java version like bitcoinj ?
85 2011-04-29 00:25:00 <orbiting> I hate paypal.
86 2011-04-29 00:25:04 <B0g4r7> 're supposed to "bump them together".
87 2011-04-29 00:25:10 <orbiting> ah
88 2011-04-29 00:25:17 <B0g4r7> I guess it reads their accelerometers and makes sure that the "bump
89 2011-04-29 00:25:22 <orbiting> Although I still have an account unfortunately.
90 2011-04-29 00:25:24 <B0g4r7> " is synchronised between the 2.
91 2011-04-29 00:25:43 <B0g4r7> It has a gay ad for it.
92 2011-04-29 00:25:50 <B0g4r7> "Now your Android can bump"
93 2011-04-29 00:26:00 <B0g4r7> "bump me bro"
94 2011-04-29 00:26:05 <orbiting> Not that bad of an idea. Except someone else can also time it...
95 2011-04-29 00:26:14 <orbiting> So it's not really a security feature...
96 2011-04-29 00:26:31 <orbiting> ...if someone has a 10% chance of matching the bump.
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99 2011-04-29 00:27:58 <B0g4r7> lol, I got an email from "FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, ANTI-TERRORIST AND MONITORY CRIMES DIVISION".
100 2011-04-29 00:28:17 <B0g4r7> Hint: If they can't spell Monetary, they're not the real deal.
101 2011-04-29 00:28:39 <ArtForz> löl
102 2011-04-29 00:28:48 <x5x> B0g4r7, maybe they monitor things
103 2011-04-29 00:29:05 <x5x> u know crimes need monitoring
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107 2011-04-29 00:29:56 <B0g4r7> These guys seem to be monitoring "some funds valued at US$8,700,000.00 Eight Million Seven Hundred thousand United States Dollars to your name, from Inheritance 'willed ' from C.B.N REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA "
108 2011-04-29 00:30:44 <ArtForz> god, scammers get more obvious every day
109 2011-04-29 00:30:47 <B0g4r7> They even signed it "Robert S.Mueller"
110 2011-04-29 00:31:34 <orbiting> I played along once with a Nigerian who wanted to buy my laptop a couple years ago.
111 2011-04-29 00:31:45 <B0g4r7> Reply to: www.fbi-govt@live.com
112 2011-04-29 00:32:04 <Blitzboom> haha, great
113 2011-04-29 00:32:28 <B0g4r7> There was a guy that managed to play a 419'er and scam them, out of £150 or so.
114 2011-04-29 00:32:31 <orbiting> He sent me Western Union and Moneygram UPC codes and told me I could take them in and get my money.
115 2011-04-29 00:32:40 <orbiting> After I mailed the laptop of course.
116 2011-04-29 00:33:39 <B0g4r7> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/18/pc_builder_takes_419ers/
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124 2011-04-29 00:48:48 <orbiting> B0g4r7, that's a bit harsh....
125 2011-04-29 00:49:06 <orbiting> that guy is probably dead then.
126 2011-04-29 00:49:46 <orbiting> I saw another article where a guy shipped a cardboard macbook. since they have to pay when they do a pickup the guy was probably not in good with his boss
127 2011-04-29 00:50:32 <B0g4r7> Sounds like a case of the punishment fitting the crime to me.
128 2011-04-29 00:50:42 <KuT-Sickness> how is it harsch in any way
129 2011-04-29 00:50:47 <B0g4r7> Well, not death, but losing 171 pounds.
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133 2011-04-29 00:52:10 <orbiting> cause the guys doing the legwork usually aren't the ones profiting
134 2011-04-29 00:52:22 <orbiting> if you lose money for your boss....
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143 2011-04-29 01:00:36 <vorlov> how does one run bitcoind on mac
144 2011-04-29 01:00:36 <vorlov> ?
145 2011-04-29 01:00:38 <vorlov> in the terminal
146 2011-04-29 01:00:47 <vorlov> do i have to compile from sourceS?
147 2011-04-29 01:00:59 <vorlov> or is there a binary package for osx precompiled
148 2011-04-29 01:00:59 <vorlov> ?
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159 2011-04-29 01:07:47 <phantomcircuit> Intel: Mesa drivers earlier than 7.9
160 2011-04-29 01:07:49 <phantomcircuit> lol
161 2011-04-29 01:07:53 <phantomcircuit> http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=1220892
162 2011-04-29 01:07:55 <phantomcircuit> hilarity
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187 2011-04-29 01:54:50 <aninoni> Hey, you guys know where to find the raw data for each individual attribute of the mtgox ticker?
188 2011-04-29 01:55:41 <tcatm> If you're interested in market data try http://bitcoincharts.com/about/markets-api/
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190 2011-04-29 01:57:44 <B0g4r7> http://whttp://mtgox.com/code/ticker.php
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192 2011-04-29 01:57:48 <B0g4r7> http://mtgox.com/code/ticker.php
193 2011-04-29 01:57:56 <B0g4r7> There's the data in JSON form.
194 2011-04-29 01:59:19 <aninoni> I'm not sure I can use it. I'm only trying to make a google spreadsheet that auto-updates values from mtgox to do calculations with. I'm not sure if you can use JSON code in it...not much of a coder.
195 2011-04-29 01:59:43 <aninoni> Trying to work my way toward learning python or javascript though
196 2011-04-29 01:59:54 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
197 2011-04-29 01:59:55 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.66,"vol":101285,"buy":2.2111,"sell":2.2815,"last":2.21}}
198 2011-04-29 02:00:03 <B0g4r7> Most languages will have a JSON library available for parsing the format.
199 2011-04-29 02:00:43 <tcatm> aninoni: I can provide trade history in CSV
200 2011-04-29 02:01:05 <aninoni> would that be usable in google spreadsheets?
201 2011-04-29 02:01:24 <aninoni> *googles*
202 2011-04-29 02:01:25 <B0g4r7> What does a google spreadsheet take as input for a live cell?
203 2011-04-29 02:01:27 <aninoni> I see!
204 2011-04-29 02:01:40 <aninoni> nice!
205 2011-04-29 02:01:43 <aninoni> yeah, I'd love it
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212 2011-04-29 02:11:35 <B0g4r7> "the dollar isnt dying its merely taking a rest"
213 2011-04-29 02:11:37 <B0g4r7> lol
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215 2011-04-29 02:13:39 <jrabbit> goddamn btc hit 2.65?
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217 2011-04-29 02:13:55 * jrabbit curses not having a tradebot running earlier
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223 2011-04-29 02:29:23 <aninoni> ;;bc,mtgox
224 2011-04-29 02:29:23 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.66,"vol":91412,"buy":2.212,"sell":2.2815,"last":2.2815}}
225 2011-04-29 02:29:43 <B0g4r7> That's nice volume.
226 2011-04-29 02:29:50 <B0g4r7> I wish that was shown in the charts.
227 2011-04-29 02:31:33 <lulzplzkthx> HOLY FUCK
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229 2011-04-29 02:31:37 <lulzplzkthx> We hit 2.3?
230 2011-04-29 02:31:41 <lulzplzkthx> I didn't even know we hit 2.
231 2011-04-29 02:32:12 <witten> try 2.6
232 2011-04-29 02:32:18 <lulzplzkthx> O.O wow
233 2011-04-29 02:32:26 <lulzplzkthx> Where's the link to the chart again?
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235 2011-04-29 02:32:39 <witten> https://mtgox.com/ has one
236 2011-04-29 02:32:46 <B0g4r7> I have the chart embedded as a webclipping in my OS X Dashboard.
237 2011-04-29 02:32:50 <lulzplzkthx> thanks
238 2011-04-29 02:32:51 <witten> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html is another
239 2011-04-29 02:32:58 <FellowTraveler> Hi Bitcoin dev. I'm trying to make some RPC calls to the local Bitcoin server on my machine
240 2011-04-29 02:33:06 <FellowTraveler> I realized the local server wasn't running, so I ran it
241 2011-04-29 02:33:11 <FellowTraveler> then it crashed while starting up
242 2011-04-29 02:33:14 <lulzplzkthx> So this all happened in like 6 hours?
243 2011-04-29 02:33:19 <lulzplzkthx> FellowTraveler: Error message?
244 2011-04-29 02:33:32 <B0g4r7> It's a volatile market.
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246 2011-04-29 02:33:50 <lulzplzkthx> B0g4r7: lol, i understand that but we were at like 1.7 for what, a week?
247 2011-04-29 02:33:50 <B0g4r7> What OS are you running it on?
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249 2011-04-29 02:34:03 <FellowTraveler> There's no error message in the terminal log, but I have a "problem report" on the screen from Mac OS X
250 2011-04-29 02:34:11 <FellowTraveler> I ran like this: open ./Bitcoin.app --args -server
251 2011-04-29 02:34:40 <B0g4r7> I run using ./Bitcoin.all/Contents/MacOS/Bitcoin -foo -bar
252 2011-04-29 02:34:44 <B0g4r7> .app
253 2011-04-29 02:34:47 <lulzplzkthx> Sorry, I don't know when it comes to Mac OS X
254 2011-04-29 02:35:14 <JackRabiit> lol i would break Any free mac rather than sell it for money
255 2011-04-29 02:35:21 <B0g4r7> Well, I did until I put server=1 into bitcoin.conf. Now I just launch it from the gui since I don't need any args.
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260 2011-04-29 02:39:24 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
261 2011-04-29 02:39:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120759 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 200 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 108036.97137394
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264 2011-04-29 02:50:20 <vorlov> i was wodnering the same
265 2011-04-29 02:50:28 <vorlov> is there a way to run bitcoin headless in mac
266 2011-04-29 02:50:28 <vorlov> ?
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268 2011-04-29 02:51:45 <vorlov> Fellowtraveler: are u still looking for help?
269 2011-04-29 02:51:53 <FellowTraveler> hi vorlov
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271 2011-04-29 02:52:12 <FellowTraveler> Right now I'm setting up a bitcoin.conf with rpc user and password, and with server =1
272 2011-04-29 02:52:31 <FellowTraveler> and adding user/password to GUI for Bitcoin rpc
273 2011-04-29 02:52:33 <FellowTraveler> will that do it?
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276 2011-04-29 02:54:27 <vorlov> im not sure but i can tell u how to start it up and u tell me if it does what u wanted it to
277 2011-04-29 02:54:42 <B0g4r7> headless?
278 2011-04-29 02:55:00 <B0g4r7> You can ssh into an OS X machine and start it from the shell.
279 2011-04-29 02:55:11 <B0g4r7> If that's what you mean.
280 2011-04-29 02:56:04 <vorlov> b0g4r7 when i start it from terminal with -server -daemon options
281 2011-04-29 02:56:06 <vorlov> it says starting server
282 2011-04-29 02:56:12 <vorlov> but the icon still comes up on the dock
283 2011-04-29 02:56:17 <vorlov> is there a way to not have that happen?
284 2011-04-29 02:57:00 <B0g4r7> You can add Bitcoin to your Login Items, ans check the "hidden" box.
285 2011-04-29 02:58:42 <FellowTraveler> I'm on a a Mac and I just want to start up Bitcoin in server mode so I can talk to it with XmlRpc
286 2011-04-29 02:58:50 <FellowTraveler> please tell me exactly what you would type at the command line to do that
287 2011-04-29 02:58:54 <FellowTraveler> and exactly what you would set up first in the conf file
288 2011-04-29 02:59:02 <FellowTraveler> and I will do it and soon have this OT GUI integrated with BITC
289 2011-04-29 02:59:11 <FellowTraveler> brb girlfriend making me go walk dog with her
290 2011-04-29 02:59:19 <witten> priorities, man
291 2011-04-29 02:59:31 <vorlov> oh really?
292 2011-04-29 02:59:56 <doublec> FellowTraveler: is there not a bitcoind for the mac?
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297 2011-04-29 03:02:13 <B0g4r7> Ignore what I said above about Login Items. That won't work.
298 2011-04-29 03:07:07 <B0g4r7> http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=running_bitcoin#sample_bitcoinconf
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300 2011-04-29 03:08:16 <B0g4r7> -daemon is probably the arg you want to run without the UI.
301 2011-04-29 03:08:30 <B0g4r7> (vorlov)
302 2011-04-29 03:08:44 <vorlov> i did daemon
303 2011-04-29 03:08:48 <vorlov> but it still showed up on dock
304 2011-04-29 03:08:56 <vorlov> i did -server -daemon
305 2011-04-29 03:09:06 <B0g4r7> doh
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307 2011-04-29 03:09:20 <B0g4r7> Why do you not want it in the dock?
308 2011-04-29 03:09:45 <B0g4r7> You could set up a different user account and run bitcoin in that session if you want it out of the way.
309 2011-04-29 03:09:52 <nanotube> FellowTraveler: just run the 'bitcoind' binary with '-server' option. unless they do something different on a mac...
310 2011-04-29 03:11:07 <B0g4r7> You know, using that Fast User Switching thing.
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318 2011-04-29 03:52:19 <semarjt> does bitcoind have -paytxfee=.01 by default?
319 2011-04-29 03:55:18 <vorlov> can someone please explain to me how do blocks become invalid?
320 2011-04-29 03:55:25 <vorlov> and what does it mean for the transactions that were recorded in them
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329 2011-04-29 04:17:34 <nanotube> semarjt: not by default, i don't think. but you can check with 'bitcoind getinfo'
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333 2011-04-29 04:25:20 <JFK911> okay, i patched my client to send negative transaction fees.
334 2011-04-29 04:25:23 <JFK911> let's see how this works out.
335 2011-04-29 04:25:40 <JFK911> hope the rest of bitcoin world can handle twos complement
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339 2011-04-29 04:29:13 <dirtyfilthy> negative transaction fees?
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342 2011-04-29 04:34:54 <B0g4r7> heh
343 2011-04-29 04:35:17 <B0g4r7> How large of a negative are you testing with?
344 2011-04-29 04:36:54 <semarjt> its just hat i have this transaction:http://pastebin.com/BDz4tW6H shows a fee, is it under a threshold or something?
345 2011-04-29 04:37:05 <semarjt> (this is sent from the rpc
346 2011-04-29 04:37:06 <semarjt> )
347 2011-04-29 04:37:19 <semarjt> http://pastebin.com/BDz4tW6H
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349 2011-04-29 04:41:02 <vorlov> what is the parameter put in getdata command
350 2011-04-29 04:41:03 <vorlov> ?
351 2011-04-29 04:41:09 <vorlov> i meant to say getwork
352 2011-04-29 04:41:32 <semarjt> vorlov are you talking to me?
353 2011-04-29 04:41:43 <vorlov> im talking to everyone
354 2011-04-29 04:41:52 <vorlov> if you could help me semarjt, i'd appreciate it :)
355 2011-04-29 04:42:09 <semarjt> wish I could
356 2011-04-29 04:42:14 <vorlov> heheh ok
357 2011-04-29 04:44:58 <sacarlson> I'm getting more people asking to buy parts of the weeds chain but they want the client to run on windows. how hard is it to compile bitcoind in windows?
358 2011-04-29 04:46:53 <sacarlson> I've only ever compiled on linux ubuntu
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362 2011-04-29 04:48:03 <sacarlson> if it was compiled for windows how could you verify that the program has not been manipulated?
363 2011-04-29 04:49:26 <sacarlson> if it was compiled on two different computer would the md5sum come out to be the same with the same code?
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365 2011-04-29 04:52:34 <semarjt> id just get it here for windoze http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.21/
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367 2011-04-29 04:56:49 <sacarlson> semarjt: that's not the multi chain addition I need
368 2011-04-29 04:57:28 <sacarlson> I need this versions bitcoind in windows https://github.com/sacarlson/bitcoin
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372 2011-04-29 04:58:43 <gjs278> the 3 pin fan I bought so long ago and thought I would never use just came in handy
373 2011-04-29 04:58:50 <gjs278> currently sitting on the back of a 5970 to blow heat away
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375 2011-04-29 04:59:14 <gjs278> 74 cfm and ridiculously loud, but I sure as hell can't hear it under the sound of my gpu fan
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378 2011-04-29 05:00:21 <sacarlson> is there a gnu compiler for windows with access to the libs I need to compile it?
379 2011-04-29 05:00:22 <ninjaneo> greetings
380 2011-04-29 05:00:57 <ninjaneo> I am new to bitcoin, but you might try cygwin or msys
381 2011-04-29 05:01:21 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: that sounds like a good idea
382 2011-04-29 05:01:28 <gjs278> mingw32
383 2011-04-29 05:01:31 <ninjaneo> ^
384 2011-04-29 05:01:56 <gjs278> it's a messy process though
385 2011-04-29 05:02:06 <gjs278> search for some guy posting a 100 coin bounty on the process, every detail si there
386 2011-04-29 05:02:16 <ninjaneo> lol
387 2011-04-29 05:02:28 <sacarlson> gjs278: would cygwin be a better alternative, don't I still have to recompile to run it on cygwin?
388 2011-04-29 05:02:54 <gjs278> I don't think you ahve to use cygwin
389 2011-04-29 05:02:57 <ninjaneo> does anyone know why the 000 prefix is sought out?
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391 2011-04-29 05:03:59 <ninjaneo> the ming environment is nicer imo
392 2011-04-29 05:04:09 <sacarlson> gjs278: ok I'll take a look at minggw32 then thanks
393 2011-04-29 05:04:48 <sacarlson> can I still use the spesmilo in windows? so I wouldn't have to compile the gui part?
394 2011-04-29 05:05:03 <ninjaneo> did the pre built executable not work for you?
395 2011-04-29 05:05:41 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: who me? yes they worked fine but I'm moving into the multi chain edition https://github.com/sacarlson/bitcoin
396 2011-04-29 05:06:40 <sacarlson> I'm happy just compiling on linux but people that want to join want windows interface
397 2011-04-29 05:06:47 <ninjaneo> ah I see
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399 2011-04-29 05:07:49 <sacarlson> there not techies they just have lots of money to spend
400 2011-04-29 05:08:08 <ninjaneo> do you have the linux binary handy?
401 2011-04-29 05:08:36 <ninjaneo> you can get an idea of what dependencies would be required, by doing ldd /path/to/the/binary
402 2011-04-29 05:09:18 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: yes I have my version of the binary why?
403 2011-04-29 05:10:00 <sacarlson> yes but where do i get those libs in windows, I"ve never programed in that envirnment
404 2011-04-29 05:10:31 <ninjaneo> when you install ming if i remember right it has like checkboxes for lots of common libraries people have already ported over
405 2011-04-29 05:10:50 <sacarlson> I was told minggw32 so I'll try write a hellow world on that to see if it is at all posible
406 2011-04-29 05:11:01 <sacarlson> I don't even have a window machine anymore
407 2011-04-29 05:11:23 <ninjaneo> lol, you could do something horrendous like install wine
408 2011-04-29 05:11:26 <ninjaneo> to emulate windows
409 2011-04-29 05:11:30 <ninjaneo> to emulate linux
410 2011-04-29 05:11:44 <ninjaneo> er emulating linux
411 2011-04-29 05:11:55 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: wow that's a thought
412 2011-04-29 05:12:24 <sacarlson> but I have a virtualbox image that will bot an old black edition of xp
413 2011-04-29 05:12:42 <ninjaneo> ah, you could setup dual booting
414 2011-04-29 05:12:43 <sacarlson> it must have about 5000 trojans in it
415 2011-04-29 05:12:47 <ninjaneo> lol
416 2011-04-29 05:13:10 <ninjaneo> yes, i slipstream my own xp copies from a source that checks against the MSDN library
417 2011-04-29 05:13:44 <ninjaneo> "black edition" sounds loaded ;p
418 2011-04-29 05:13:50 <sacarlson> so that's why I was thinking to at least verify that my own released edition was clean that someone else compile with minggw and verify the md5sum was the same
419 2011-04-29 05:14:09 <ninjaneo> oh, well, that wouldn't matter
420 2011-04-29 05:14:24 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: well I'm told even the windows you get direct from microsoft has CIA holes in it
421 2011-04-29 05:14:43 <ninjaneo> that is 100% true
422 2011-04-29 05:14:46 <ninjaneo> advapi.dll
423 2011-04-29 05:15:00 <ninjaneo> it might compile the program in the same fashion, but that doesn't mean your computer, loaded with trojans, won't be able to get at your bit coins
424 2011-04-29 05:15:30 <ninjaneo> but then again, it was recently discovered that OpenBSD was paid off by the FBI
425 2011-04-29 05:15:32 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: so how do I provide a secure system to these none teches to work with?
426 2011-04-29 05:15:37 <ninjaneo> to incorporate holes in IPSEC ;p
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429 2011-04-29 05:16:26 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: then maybe I should start looking at the code in my linked libs also
430 2011-04-29 05:16:31 <ninjaneo> best thing to do is start with a known-to-be-clean copy of the xp. Set them up with auto updating virus protection
431 2011-04-29 05:17:09 <ninjaneo> yes, if you have the time, i would recommend it, I am constantly installing updates
432 2011-04-29 05:17:22 <ninjaneo> if someone slipped something into the archlinux community i'd be fucked
433 2011-04-29 05:17:22 <ninjaneo> ;p
434 2011-04-29 05:17:34 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: I have a clean enuf xp boot that has no trafic coming out of it when I monitor network so I guess I would have to call that the cleanest I have
435 2011-04-29 05:18:21 <ninjaneo> well I guess you can't ever be to sure though ;p
436 2011-04-29 05:18:40 <ninjaneo> might not have phoned home while you were listening
437 2011-04-29 05:18:47 <ninjaneo> or something
438 2011-04-29 05:18:57 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: in linux I use tripwire to monitor changes
439 2011-04-29 05:19:04 <ninjaneo> nice
440 2011-04-29 05:19:36 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: that's true I only monitored it for a day
441 2011-04-29 05:19:49 <sacarlson> maybe it only phones home 1 per month
442 2011-04-29 05:20:19 <ninjaneo> yeah, but the crappy viruses I see these days all give themselves away, popups, etc
443 2011-04-29 05:20:26 <ninjaneo> so you're probably ok
444 2011-04-29 05:20:37 <ninjaneo> do you know why we seek out 000prefix?
445 2011-04-29 05:20:43 <sacarlson> no
446 2011-04-29 05:20:53 <sacarlson> 000?
447 2011-04-29 05:21:03 <ninjaneo> idk I'm new to bit coins entirely
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449 2011-04-29 05:21:25 <ninjaneo> but I was under the impression that it had something to do with finding hashes that started with 000
450 2011-04-29 05:21:28 <nanotube> ninjaneo: it's just a way to create the difficulty of finding a block.
451 2011-04-29 05:21:39 <nanotube> it might as well have been finding a hash that ends with 0's
452 2011-04-29 05:21:42 <ninjaneo> so 001 would have been just as difficult
453 2011-04-29 05:21:43 <nanotube> or starts with a string of 2's
454 2011-04-29 05:21:54 <ninjaneo> ok
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456 2011-04-29 05:22:11 <ninjaneo> just wondering if there was something specific about those bits related to the hash function
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458 2011-04-29 05:22:20 <nanotube> it's not just about the zeros - what it really does is set some numeric threshold, below which the hash has to be.
459 2011-04-29 05:22:31 <nanotube> this basically 'cuts' the hash space into 'good' and 'bad' sides
460 2011-04-29 05:22:32 <ninjaneo> like they were involved in some type of initialization vector or something that could be used cryptographically
461 2011-04-29 05:22:32 <FellowTraveler> Hello adding BTC to Moneychanger GUI. Any BTC experts on the RPC protocol please message me.
462 2011-04-29 05:22:49 <nanotube> depending on how large the good vs bad sides are, the likelihood that any given hash is good changes
463 2011-04-29 05:23:03 <ninjaneo> ok
464 2011-04-29 05:23:07 <nanotube> FellowTraveler: have you seen the wiki about the rpc proto?
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466 2011-04-29 05:23:20 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: we're looking for hashes less than that value because only a certain number of hashes will be so, and since solution distribution is (supposed to be) random, then we'll be less likely to find a solution under that hash as we search.
467 2011-04-29 05:24:01 <luke-jr> as a result, the block hashes are highly compressable
468 2011-04-29 05:24:03 <luke-jr> <.<
469 2011-04-29 05:24:07 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: there's no evidence of a secret underlying problem we're "actually" solving by doing this, except perhaps giving the SHA2 digest a really, really good workout.
470 2011-04-29 05:24:12 <ninjaneo> because more will be 'claimed'
471 2011-04-29 05:24:15 <luke-jr> and clearly distinguished from (most) addresses
472 2011-04-29 05:24:45 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,mtgox
473 2011-04-29 05:24:46 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.67,"vol":72980,"buy":2.3,"sell":2.3215,"last":2.2301}}
474 2011-04-29 05:24:49 <ninjaneo> yeah I was wondering if maybe somehow the transactions could constitute some big collection of "rainbow tables" for attacking sha2 or some type of conspiracy of that matter
475 2011-04-29 05:24:49 <midnightmagic> whoah.
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477 2011-04-29 05:24:56 * midnightmagic checks again. $2.65?!
478 2011-04-29 05:24:57 <midnightmagic> wtf?
479 2011-04-29 05:25:13 <midnightmagic> stop fucking around with the market, art! people will think we're a ponzi scheme
480 2011-04-29 05:25:22 <ninjaneo> lol
481 2011-04-29 05:25:28 <MBS> lol
482 2011-04-29 05:25:32 <MBS> you mean it isnt one?
483 2011-04-29 05:25:34 <ninjaneo> ;p
484 2011-04-29 05:25:37 <gjs278> everytime we hit an new all time high I dump my coins
485 2011-04-29 05:26:01 <ninjaneo> i want a coin
486 2011-04-29 05:26:01 <ninjaneo> lol
487 2011-04-29 05:26:03 <midnightmagic> gjs hold some back, it's a huge psychological help.
488 2011-04-29 05:26:12 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: I can give you a coin. give me an address.
489 2011-04-29 05:26:16 <gjs278> I sold 125 and 1.95 Ihave no regret
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491 2011-04-29 05:26:47 <ninjaneo> I'm brand new, but I have bitcoind running. would strings ./bitcoin/wallet.dat show my address
492 2011-04-29 05:26:53 <ninjaneo> i dont understand how to do a transaction ;p
493 2011-04-29 05:27:01 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: are you running the command-line or the gui?
494 2011-04-29 05:27:04 <ninjaneo> cli
495 2011-04-29 05:27:17 <gjs278> just use the gui
496 2011-04-29 05:27:18 <midnightmagic> so, run: bitcoind getinfo and tell me if it tells you anything.
497 2011-04-29 05:27:20 <MBS> do "bitcoind help"
498 2011-04-29 05:27:45 <ninjaneo> er I'd have to install the wx deps, but i will, on gentoo its going to take a couple minutes
499 2011-04-29 05:27:49 <ninjaneo> ... at least =x
500 2011-04-29 05:28:02 <gjs278> I'll try it now
501 2011-04-29 05:28:12 <midnightmagic> no, if you've already got the cli up and it's running, don't worry about the gui. you can't run them both at the same time anyway.
502 2011-04-29 05:28:51 <midnightmagic> jesus, it jumped a dollar.. just incredible.
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504 2011-04-29 05:32:06 <ninjaneo> hm gethashespersec is 0
505 2011-04-29 05:32:13 <midnightmagic> ignore that.
506 2011-04-29 05:33:49 <ninjaneo> hm, well I see 0.0.0.0:8333 so I guess its accepting connections
507 2011-04-29 05:33:56 <midnightmagic> so, now think of a good name for a new account to receive coins at and run: bitcoind getnewaddress someAccountName <-- where "someAccountName" is replaced with whatever you want. something clever, you can never, ever get rid of it.
508 2011-04-29 05:35:00 <ninjaneo> should it be long and obscure?
509 2011-04-29 05:35:06 <ninjaneo> or rememberable
510 2011-04-29 05:35:07 <ninjaneo> lol
511 2011-04-29 05:35:10 <midnightmagic> no, it's a placeholder. make it short and memorable
512 2011-04-29 05:35:14 <ninjaneo> k
513 2011-04-29 05:35:26 <midnightmagic> like "vikings" or "longship" or something.
514 2011-04-29 05:35:51 <midnightmagic> the *result* of that command will be a hex string. that's an address that I can send coins to.
515 2011-04-29 05:36:08 <midnightmagic> cut & paste it here. and then never use it for anything else ever, okay? always get new addresses, they're free.
516 2011-04-29 05:36:19 <ninjaneo> hm so it makes some type of self signed certificate/hash I guess?
517 2011-04-29 05:36:42 <ninjaneo> oh
518 2011-04-29 05:36:43 <ninjaneo> ok
519 2011-04-29 05:36:46 <midnightmagic> just pulls a keypair out of its ass, actually, and gives you the public one you can give to other people.
520 2011-04-29 05:37:19 <ninjaneo> hm, and can i continue to use that accountname?
521 2011-04-29 05:37:25 <midnightmagic> if you ever use this address you're about to give to me for anything else, people will know who it is.
522 2011-04-29 05:37:28 <midnightmagic> yes absolutely.
523 2011-04-29 05:37:39 <midnightmagic> an account can have all kinds of addresses associated with it.
524 2011-04-29 05:37:56 <ninjaneo> interesting i think im starting to get it a little better now
525 2011-04-29 05:38:40 <midnightmagic> just don't feel stupid if you try to do some things and it refuses to. some things really can't be done. yet.
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527 2011-04-29 05:39:41 <ninjaneo> i just discovered bit coins today, i intend to dive into the source myself heh. I'm good with python etc... Though I've read its all about GPU now ;p
528 2011-04-29 05:40:14 <midnightmagic> bitcoind it written in C++; but yeah, it's pretty much GPU now. CPU is basically pointless. unfortunately.
529 2011-04-29 05:40:16 <luke-jr> ninjaneo: check out spesmilo
530 2011-04-29 05:40:31 <ninjaneo> its good at diverse tasks ;p
531 2011-04-29 05:40:33 <ninjaneo> (cpu)
532 2011-04-29 05:40:47 <midnightmagic> the amusing part is that one medium-range mining rig is about half the speed of an entire university's high-energy physics grid computing cluster (if they were both mining)
533 2011-04-29 05:40:49 <midnightmagic> brutal
534 2011-04-29 05:40:51 <ninjaneo> i have grand ideas of coin-mining hardware
535 2011-04-29 05:41:25 <midnightmagic> well, it would be a fun thing to do for a hobby. :)
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539 2011-04-29 05:41:39 <ninjaneo> yeah cool application of crypto
540 2011-04-29 05:42:00 <ninjaneo> and im starting to get into embedded devices. I programmed my first attiny85, woot
541 2011-04-29 05:42:22 <midnightmagic> atmel microcontrollers rock. their timing is so precise, they can be used to hack other hardware!
542 2011-04-29 05:42:37 <ninjaneo> yeah i am in love lol
543 2011-04-29 05:42:45 <ninjaneo> I made a software based pulse width modulator
544 2011-04-29 05:42:54 <ninjaneo> using the lbuilt in timer heh
545 2011-04-29 05:43:06 <midnightmagic> the 90S2313 was pretty badass. I love Atmel.
546 2011-04-29 05:43:07 <ninjaneo> it makes pretty colors
547 2011-04-29 05:45:12 * ninjaneo waits for his first address
548 2011-04-29 05:46:39 <midnightmagic> oh it's not instantly returning?
549 2011-04-29 05:47:11 <midnightmagic> you must not have started it up that long ago
550 2011-04-29 05:47:29 <ninjaneo> no not long at all lol
551 2011-04-29 05:47:43 <midnightmagic> it's probably downloading the block chain. it'll be a while if that's the case. no worries, just PM me with the address after the block chain is downloaded.
552 2011-04-29 05:47:50 <ninjaneo> is it doing some initial state stuff?
553 2011-04-29 05:47:54 <ninjaneo> ah
554 2011-04-29 05:48:07 <midnightmagic> when you run bitcoind getinfo, what does "blocks" say?
555 2011-04-29 05:48:07 <ninjaneo> it did say something about downloading blocks in the getinfo
556 2011-04-29 05:49:11 <nanotube> there's a blockchain snapshot on sourceforge frs. if you want to save some time
557 2011-04-29 05:49:42 <ninjaneo> ill go see if i cant grab it
558 2011-04-29 05:50:20 <ninjaneo> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/blockchain/bitcoin_blockchain_120000.zip/download
559 2011-04-29 05:50:20 <ninjaneo> ?
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561 2011-04-29 05:50:48 <ninjaneo> ~128mb or so
562 2011-04-29 05:51:00 <ninjaneo> 158 rather
563 2011-04-29 05:51:32 * ninjaneo nods i think this is it
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565 2011-04-29 05:53:54 <midnightmagic> don't forget to stop your bitcoind prior to installing this zip file, BTW.
566 2011-04-29 05:54:00 <midnightmagic> er.. the contents of the zip file.
567 2011-04-29 05:54:03 <ninjaneo> ;)
568 2011-04-29 05:54:15 <ninjaneo> yeah i killed it, figured it was using up some bw
569 2011-04-29 05:54:43 <midnightmagic> not a lot, really, and it's pretty spread out. your torrents will stay fast while bitcoind is running, honest. :)
570 2011-04-29 05:55:43 <ninjaneo> aye
571 2011-04-29 05:56:02 <ninjaneo> sourceforge copy is almost done =)
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575 2011-04-29 05:59:40 <ninjaneo> woot
576 2011-04-29 05:59:44 <ninjaneo> 1Akt9uWovUV9K9mGdFHPDmLHnFWTjXPBvL
577 2011-04-29 06:00:54 <midnightmagic> txn: 853217edad22afa837125eb9d725b1bff3265d571de34ef6f8314798131039ae
578 2011-04-29 06:01:10 <midnightmagic> there you go dude. have fun!
579 2011-04-29 06:01:19 <ninjaneo> =o how do I see it
580 2011-04-29 06:02:41 <midnightmagic> hrm.. well, look in the .bitcoin/debug.log and look for the string 853217edad22afa83712. i think you should be able to see it there.
581 2011-04-29 06:03:09 <midnightmagic> or look here: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/853217edad22afa837125eb9d725b1bff3265d571de34ef6f8314798131039ae
582 2011-04-29 06:03:15 <noagendamarket> are there any ubuntu repositories aout yet ?
583 2011-04-29 06:03:19 <ninjaneo> oh, does it communicate via irc?
584 2011-04-29 06:03:32 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: no, only gets address of bitcoind to talk to from irc.
585 2011-04-29 06:03:40 <ninjaneo> ah
586 2011-04-29 06:03:49 <noagendamarket> the only ubuntu repository I found is an old bitcoin version
587 2011-04-29 06:03:50 <midnightmagic> you can tell it not to: just kill bitcoind, then restart it with bitcoind -daemon -noirc
588 2011-04-29 06:04:06 <ninjaneo> ah interesting, and thus the addpeer/node options
589 2011-04-29 06:04:11 <luke-jr> [01:56:42] <ljrbot> Txn 853217edad22afa837125eb9d725b1bff3265d571de34ef6f8314798131039ae: 1Kx3c6HzZP3BoE8uoPDf1hsnP7qVpS6v5E 40.00 BTC, 1Akt9uWovUV9K9mGdFHPDmLHnFWTjXPBvL 5.00 BTC
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592 2011-04-29 06:05:31 <ninjaneo> wow cool stuff
593 2011-04-29 06:05:38 <ninjaneo> thanks btw =)
594 2011-04-29 06:05:43 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: you're making it very easy to help you, dude. :)
595 2011-04-29 06:06:03 <ninjaneo> lol I may be new to bitcoin but I'm not new to computers ;P
596 2011-04-29 06:06:10 <midnightmagic> also, no problem. try to keep a thick skin: some bitcoiners are right irritating bastards.
597 2011-04-29 06:06:32 <noagendamarket> only the trolls
598 2011-04-29 06:06:34 <ninjaneo> lol
599 2011-04-29 06:06:37 <noagendamarket> :)
600 2011-04-29 06:06:46 * noagendamarket hides
601 2011-04-29 06:07:00 <midnightmagic> =]
602 2011-04-29 06:07:48 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: the non-trolls can irritate the trolls too
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604 2011-04-29 06:08:42 <noagendamarket> good
605 2011-04-29 06:08:56 <midnightmagic> yeah, good.
606 2011-04-29 06:09:36 <tcatm> could someone try the calculator on http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD_depth.html and check if it returns sane results?
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608 2011-04-29 06:10:47 <midnightmagic> what's it supposed to do?
609 2011-04-29 06:11:24 <tcatm> calculate how many BTC/USD you can sell/buy from market depth
610 2011-04-29 06:12:49 <midnightmagic> not doing anything for me when i enter in a value and press submit query. perhaps I'm doing something wrong. what should I do? just type a number and click submit right?
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612 2011-04-29 06:13:11 <tcatm> yep
613 2011-04-29 06:13:39 <tcatm> oh wait, firefox 3.x?
614 2011-04-29 06:14:16 <tcatm> refresh page, might work now
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616 2011-04-29 06:20:21 <ninjaneo> you might check out the google charts api, fewer images to generate on your end =)
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618 2011-04-29 06:22:47 <tcatm> I till need to prepare the data
619 2011-04-29 06:22:56 <tcatm> which is a lot more work than rendering an image
620 2011-04-29 06:25:36 <ninjaneo> would anyone get mad if I joined pelican.heliacal.net/#bitcoin?
621 2011-04-29 06:25:40 <ninjaneo> just to see what was going on
622 2011-04-29 06:25:51 <ninjaneo> i would think not...
623 2011-04-29 06:26:17 <tcatm> read the source before you join so you know how to decode the nicknames
624 2011-04-29 06:26:42 <ninjaneo> ah ok =)
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627 2011-04-29 06:37:01 <tcatm> 8240kB free memory. I really need a better server
628 2011-04-29 06:39:21 <midnightmagic> nobody would get mad. nobody would even know.
629 2011-04-29 06:39:28 <ninjaneo> strMyName = strprintf("x%u", GetRand(1000000000));
630 2011-04-29 06:39:29 <ninjaneo> =o
631 2011-04-29 06:39:41 <tcatm> is that php?
632 2011-04-29 06:39:51 <ninjaneo> c/cpp
633 2011-04-29 06:39:57 <ninjaneo> but sure looks like php ;P
634 2011-04-29 06:40:02 <midnightmagic> hahaha!
635 2011-04-29 06:41:10 <ninjaneo> so the usernames are just random =o
636 2011-04-29 06:41:40 <tcatm> ah, irc names? no they actually contain useful information
637 2011-04-29 06:41:42 <midnightmagic> yes. it retrieves the IPs from the usermasks in the channel, running "who" on them.
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641 2011-04-29 06:43:06 <midnightmagic> it's random if the user address is not routable, or is using a proxy, or the name is already "in use"..
642 2011-04-29 06:43:25 <ninjaneo> ah ok yeah I did see that bit of logic
643 2011-04-29 06:43:43 <midnightmagic> else, it's the user's address. but, since a huge number of people are running through nat, a large chunk are random.
644 2011-04-29 06:44:10 <midnightmagic> looks like the ones with useful info begin with "u" and the randoms with 'x"
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646 2011-04-29 06:44:41 <midnightmagic> tcatm looks like the calculator works now.
647 2011-04-29 06:44:46 <ninjaneo> ah hence the x or the u =)
648 2011-04-29 06:44:52 <midnightmagic> and I'm using firefox 3, yes.
649 2011-04-29 06:44:52 <ninjaneo> oh you just said that lol
650 2011-04-29 06:44:59 <tcatm> midnightmagic: great. thx for testing
651 2011-04-29 06:45:02 <ninjaneo> I was jumping around in vim
652 2011-04-29 06:45:21 <midnightmagic> if you're not familiar with cscope, consider giving it a spin
653 2011-04-29 06:45:28 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
654 2011-04-29 06:45:29 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.67,"vol":74855,"buy":2.28,"sell":2.35,"last":2.35}}
655 2011-04-29 06:45:45 <ninjaneo> i'll take a look at it
656 2011-04-29 06:47:35 <ninjaneo> ah =) struct ircaddr tmp;
657 2011-04-29 06:47:57 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: welcome to bitcoin. it can really suck you in. be warned!
658 2011-04-29 06:48:06 <midnightmagic> MUAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
659 2011-04-29 06:48:07 <midnightmagic> j/k
660 2011-04-29 06:48:26 <ninjaneo> =D
661 2011-04-29 06:51:48 <midnightmagic> demand totally outstripping supply.. sheesh. damn speculums.
662 2011-04-29 06:53:08 <ninjaneo> mussstt mineee bittttcoinnnss
663 2011-04-29 06:53:09 <ninjaneo> lol
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671 2011-04-29 07:02:00 <sacarlson> tcatm: seems the data is not the same as what I see presently on mtgox but I guess the calc is about right
672 2011-04-29 07:02:44 <sacarlson> tcatm: how often is the data updated?
673 2011-04-29 07:02:57 <tcatm> every 10s
674 2011-04-29 07:03:12 <sacarlson> tcatm: ok I'll try refresh and see if I see a change
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677 2011-04-29 07:05:05 <chmod755> hi @all. who's the owner of weusecoins.com ?
678 2011-04-29 07:05:05 <sacarlson> tcatm: ya now I see it changing looks good
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680 2011-04-29 07:07:02 <khalahan_> ;;bc,mtgox
681 2011-04-29 07:07:02 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.681,"vol":73211,"buy":2.2501,"sell":2.3498,"last":2.25}}
682 2011-04-29 07:07:22 <sacarlson> tcatm: good view you can see form that we have much more buyers than sellers at any price
683 2011-04-29 07:08:55 <sacarlson> so I guess when the sellers out number buyers will be the right time to buy
684 2011-04-29 07:10:01 <midnightmagic> that happened a long time ago..
685 2011-04-29 07:10:10 <midnightmagic> well.. a couple of months.
686 2011-04-29 07:10:27 <midnightmagic> if you look back in the irc logs, anytime I say "top heavy" the market was exactly that.
687 2011-04-29 07:11:37 <ninjaneo> lol
688 2011-04-29 07:14:24 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
689 2011-04-29 07:14:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120798 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 161 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 30 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 108511.91915108
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707 2011-04-29 07:59:01 <sacarlson> I'm at my record block in my chain now at 311
708 2011-04-29 07:59:42 <chmod755> ;;bc,blocks
709 2011-04-29 07:59:42 <gribble> 120803
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712 2011-04-29 08:01:03 <ersi> chmod755: 'whois weusecoins.com' xD
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714 2011-04-29 08:01:29 <chmod755> ersi: yup, I already did that :D
715 2011-04-29 08:01:41 <sacarlson> ersi: fname: Stefan
716 2011-04-29 08:01:42 <sacarlson> [zone-c] lname: Thomas
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719 2011-04-29 08:09:21 <Keefe> uh, anyone know if there's a secret switch to get around the latest windows binary telling me i have to pay a 0.01 btc fee to send 10 btc from a coin received 2 blocks ago?
720 2011-04-29 08:09:24 <Keefe> the client telling me what i can and can't do... not cool
721 2011-04-29 08:09:26 <Keefe> i know what i'm doing, and i'm willing to wait as long as it takes for this txn to get published for free
722 2011-04-29 08:10:06 <Keefe> i haven't tried the rpc interface yet
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725 2011-04-29 08:12:47 <sacarlson> ok now I need accounts how do I create one in bitcoind ?
726 2011-04-29 08:13:23 <lfm> Keefe: no switch, just go back to prev version
727 2011-04-29 08:13:23 <sacarlson> getreceivedbyaccount does that create it?
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729 2011-04-29 08:14:19 <sacarlson> oh or maybe getnewaddress [account] creates the account
730 2011-04-29 08:14:21 <Keefe> lfm: do you know the criteria off hand? if i just wait a few more blocks will it allow me to attempt a free txn?
731 2011-04-29 08:15:19 <sacarlson> Keefe: seems on my chain the transaction if free as long as I only send one transaction in a block that takes about 10 - 20 minits
732 2011-04-29 08:16:01 <Keefe> sacarlson: are you using the latest windows binary?
733 2011-04-29 08:16:13 <sacarlson> no I'm using the later git version
734 2011-04-29 08:16:15 <Keefe> 0.3.21 from bitcoin.org main page
735 2011-04-29 08:16:46 <Keefe> let's see if there's already a patch for this "feature"...
736 2011-04-29 08:17:30 <Keefe> it should be only a warning, not a hard forced limit
737 2011-04-29 08:17:56 <Keefe> or this is just asking for a fork
738 2011-04-29 08:19:02 <sacarlson> ok I figured out my question when you getnewaddress accountname will create a new accoun
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742 2011-04-29 08:20:01 <sacarlson> so I geuss I have to send money to myself? I never tried that
743 2011-04-29 08:22:19 <Keefe> kinda makes sense that you'd have to send from one account to another
744 2011-04-29 08:22:51 <Keefe> damn, no patch on github to make that txn fee optional again
745 2011-04-29 08:23:04 <Keefe> guess i really do have to downgrade
746 2011-04-29 08:23:58 <sacarlson> Keefe: no I found you can move "" test 20 to move from base account to a test account
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751 2011-04-29 08:32:06 <netxshare> so I just sat down and moved my mouse and my computer started to make this high pitch noise
752 2011-04-29 08:32:18 <netxshare> but only happens when I run both of my gpus on the 6990
753 2011-04-29 08:32:51 <lfm> netxshare: are you overclockong them?
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755 2011-04-29 08:34:38 <netxshare> just the default overclock switch
756 2011-04-29 08:34:43 <netxshare> with a downclock the memory
757 2011-04-29 08:34:44 <netxshare> to 315
758 2011-04-29 08:35:18 <ninjaneo> do you have a crt monitor lol
759 2011-04-29 08:35:20 <netxshare> it has been running fine for hours
760 2011-04-29 08:35:22 <netxshare> no
761 2011-04-29 08:35:24 <ninjaneo> k
762 2011-04-29 08:35:27 <netxshare> it's really freaking weird
763 2011-04-29 08:35:27 <lfm> try speeding the memory up a bit again and see if the sound changes
764 2011-04-29 08:35:31 <netxshare> it sounds like a speaker
765 2011-04-29 08:35:33 <netxshare> on the card
766 2011-04-29 08:36:07 <_ape> the mhz are leaking out :(
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768 2011-04-29 08:36:25 <lfm> its a resonance
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770 2011-04-29 08:39:14 <netxshare> hrm
771 2011-04-29 08:39:16 <netxshare> still doing it
772 2011-04-29 08:39:25 <netxshare> but once I cose out one miner works fine
773 2011-04-29 08:39:32 <_ape> is the fan speed changing
774 2011-04-29 08:39:54 <netxshare> it was on 100% but I set it to auto to see if it was fan freaking out
775 2011-04-29 08:42:17 <netxshare> hm maybe it's not the card making the noise and it's the psu
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777 2011-04-29 08:44:18 <_ape> yeah could be
778 2011-04-29 08:45:42 <netxshare> this would be the second issue with the card
779 2011-04-29 08:45:51 <netxshare> I can't open gpu-z while it understress
780 2011-04-29 08:45:57 <_ape> rma it then
781 2011-04-29 08:45:59 <netxshare> the system locks it
782 2011-04-29 08:46:02 <netxshare> it/up
783 2011-04-29 08:46:10 <netxshare> going to tomorrow morning ill take it back to the store
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785 2011-04-29 08:51:32 <ninjaneo> thanks again guys, ill be seeing you around ;)
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797 2011-04-29 09:24:34 <berto-> anyone know why the exchange rate exploded last month?
798 2011-04-29 09:24:55 <UukGoblin> because the demand was higher than supply
799 2011-04-29 09:25:03 <lfm> I think it was cuz of NY Times article
800 2011-04-29 09:25:12 <UukGoblin> there was a NY Times article?
801 2011-04-29 09:26:37 <sipa> ttp://techland.time.com/2011/04/16/online-cash-bitcoin-could-challenge-governments/
802 2011-04-29 09:26:45 <lfm> but it could be drug dealers
803 2011-04-29 09:26:56 <BlueMatt> not NY Times, TIME
804 2011-04-29 09:27:07 <BlueMatt> as in the magazine, but the online-only tech section
805 2011-04-29 09:27:36 <lfm> oh ok
806 2011-04-29 09:27:45 <BlueMatt> mostly just because of general increased interest
807 2011-04-29 09:27:50 <UukGoblin> ah, saw this one
808 2011-04-29 09:27:55 <BlueMatt> from many source
809 2011-04-29 09:27:57 <berto-> cool, thanks.
810 2011-04-29 09:27:58 <BlueMatt> s
811 2011-04-29 09:28:47 <BlueMatt> and when the price goes up a bit from media interest, the price spikes from speculators
812 2011-04-29 09:29:26 <edcba> bitcoin is best investment i ever made ! :)
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814 2011-04-29 09:29:40 <edcba> electricity in lot of money out ! :)
815 2011-04-29 09:30:03 <lfm> oh how much did you invest?
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817 2011-04-29 09:30:27 <berto-> edcba: do you think the current price is the pieak?
818 2011-04-29 09:30:32 <berto-> peak, rather?
819 2011-04-29 09:30:58 <BlueMatt> berto-: ask around on #bitcoin-otc, that is where all the traders hang out
820 2011-04-29 09:31:09 <berto-> BlueMatt: cool.
821 2011-04-29 09:35:26 <edcba> that really depends on bitcoin adoption anyway
822 2011-04-29 09:35:51 <edcba> and since that fucking thing is anonymous you can't really know who uses it and why
823 2011-04-29 09:36:56 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
824 2011-04-29 09:36:58 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120820 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 139 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 29 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 108775.75119035
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827 2011-04-29 09:44:26 <theorbtwo> The thing is, it's not actually all that anonymous.
828 2011-04-29 09:44:44 <theorbtwo> It *can* be anonymous, if handled carefully.
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831 2011-04-29 09:45:19 <theorbtwo> But the complete transaction log is not only public but widely distributed. It's just a matter of figuring out enough transactions.
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833 2011-04-29 09:45:34 <jargon> The DARPA TTO has requested I do an audit of Bitcoin.
834 2011-04-29 09:46:00 <jargon> There seems to be a massive trend between Anonymous intrusions and bitcoin user pool.
835 2011-04-29 09:47:16 <theorbtwo> TTO?
836 2011-04-29 09:47:18 <mrb_> jargon: nice. you have got the source code, that will be easy
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838 2011-04-29 09:47:32 <jargon> http://www.darpa.mil/Our_Work/TTO/
839 2011-04-29 09:48:19 <theorbtwo> Ah, interesting.
840 2011-04-29 09:48:25 <jargon> I notice there is no direct SVN information in the topic.
841 2011-04-29 09:48:43 <BlueMatt> the irc topic?
842 2011-04-29 09:48:45 <theorbtwo> I'm not surprised by the Anonymous thing, but I am surprised that it interests DARPA already.
843 2011-04-29 09:49:05 <jargon> It has interested the TTO since a year back.
844 2011-04-29 09:49:18 <BlueMatt> really? wow
845 2011-04-29 09:49:39 <mrb_> jargon: the repo is at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
846 2011-04-29 09:49:56 <jargon> So there is no SVN mirror?
847 2011-04-29 09:50:07 <theorbtwo> I suppose it appears, on the face of it, to be a great way of funneling money to terrorists.
848 2011-04-29 09:50:13 <mrb_> thee devs use git, not SVN
849 2011-04-29 09:50:19 <mrb_> *the
850 2011-04-29 09:50:25 <jargon> That is not why the TTO is interested in Bitcoin.
851 2011-04-29 09:50:39 <jlewis> jargon - why would a DARPA employee be hanging out on IRC at 4:45 am
852 2011-04-29 09:51:12 <theorbtwo> jargon: Can you tell us why the TTO *is* interested?
853 2011-04-29 09:51:14 <jargon> There is a suspected set of middle-man servers that collaborate the data within the Bitcoin network towards distributed intrusions.
854 2011-04-29 09:51:14 <BlueMatt> jargon: sort of, satoshi used svn on sf but it was moved to git
855 2011-04-29 09:51:18 <jlewis> proof or gtfo
856 2011-04-29 09:51:41 <UukGoblin> the svn is only used for releases, it's there somewhere, but the git should have more recent code additions
857 2011-04-29 09:51:46 <jargon> The lack of direct evidence is why the TTO is doing the Audit.
858 2011-04-29 09:52:36 <jargon> (as opposed to the incompetent FBI and NSA)
859 2011-04-29 09:52:37 <UukGoblin> interesting :-)
860 2011-04-29 09:52:56 <BlueMatt> I tend to agree with jlewis
861 2011-04-29 09:53:33 <jlewis> he's connecting from some random cox ip address - presumably a govt employee wouldn't be surfing irc from his home account at 4 in the morning
862 2011-04-29 09:53:33 <jargon> Personally, I am a TTO rogue, so this is why I am allowing your developer group to know in advance of completion of the audit.
863 2011-04-29 09:53:40 <jlewis> ooh a rogue
864 2011-04-29 09:54:01 <BlueMatt> lol ok have fun with that
865 2011-04-29 09:54:29 <theorbtwo> I see no reason that a government employee wouldn't be surfing irc from his home account at 4 in the morning. I see a lot of reason why he wouldn't identify himself.
866 2011-04-29 09:54:38 <theorbtwo> ...and diss other agencies, as well.
867 2011-04-29 09:54:41 <UukGoblin> I see no reason to be offensive ;-]
868 2011-04-29 09:55:18 <UukGoblin> someone claims he'll do an audit of the code, and you tell him to gtfo? fuck that.
869 2011-04-29 09:55:23 <jargon> Well, personally, the Defense Intelligence Agency never liked the National Security Agency.
870 2011-04-29 09:56:19 <jargon> and the Federal Bureau of Investigation never liked the National Security Agency either,
871 2011-04-29 09:56:27 <theorbtwo> jargon: By all means, you should do a public audit. We'd love to answer any questions e can.
872 2011-04-29 09:56:34 <jlewis> ok, it wasn't my intent to be offensive, just usually in the real world this is what's known as theater :)
873 2011-04-29 09:56:35 <UukGoblin> I didn't like any of these ;-]
874 2011-04-29 09:57:01 <jlewis> btw
875 2011-04-29 09:57:02 <jlewis> http://pastebin.com/2ADv2FL5
876 2011-04-29 09:57:06 <Tritonio> has anyone used the mt.gox merchant api? I was thinking about making some service and use that for the payments. but I would really like something like paypal's sandbox to test it...
877 2011-04-29 09:57:07 <UukGoblin> jlewis, well, yeah, there's that.
878 2011-04-29 09:57:25 <jargon> Your commit hashes are definately weak.
879 2011-04-29 09:57:43 <jargon> definitely
880 2011-04-29 09:58:09 <jlewis> UukGoblin: that = the pastebin? :)
881 2011-04-29 09:58:24 <jargon> I am no longer on a dark fibre route, so I can't exactly download your entire repo history in one massive grab.
882 2011-04-29 09:58:33 <jlewis> lol
883 2011-04-29 09:58:38 <UukGoblin> jlewis, no, that = "a theatre"
884 2011-04-29 09:58:46 <jlewis> ah
885 2011-04-29 09:58:50 <UukGoblin> just reading the pastebin
886 2011-04-29 09:58:57 <theorbtwo> Er, I doubt it's that big.
887 2011-04-29 09:59:03 <jargon> By entire history, I mean an image of all data between every git update.
888 2011-04-29 09:59:30 <jargon> So we will make do with just the current repo history for now.
889 2011-04-29 09:59:59 <UukGoblin> what do you mean, 'image of all data'? what data is there between git updates?
890 2011-04-29 10:00:01 <jargon> After all, its 3am not 4am and I am not really at any of the installations around the world.
891 2011-04-29 10:00:18 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: just ignore trolls
892 2011-04-29 10:00:34 <jargon> UukGoblin, entire image of all paritions on the server for every change in the repo
893 2011-04-29 10:00:39 <jargon> partitions
894 2011-04-29 10:00:58 <jargon> Sorry for the lack of proper spelling, this machine was bricked about a week ago,
895 2011-04-29 10:01:01 <jlewis> i think it's amusing, this could be the script for the next tron
896 2011-04-29 10:01:16 <UukGoblin> heh
897 2011-04-29 10:01:17 <BlueMatt> jlewis: quite possibly
898 2011-04-29 10:02:39 <UukGoblin> fun.
899 2011-04-29 10:03:02 <jargon> You seem to have a big focus in your issues history for OSX
900 2011-04-29 10:04:30 <jargon> The use of the JS
901 2011-04-29 10:04:40 <jargon> The use of the JSON toolset alarms me
902 2011-04-29 10:06:47 <jargon> What portion of the repo are the JSON handlers in?
903 2011-04-29 10:07:16 <UukGoblin> under /flux/capacitors
904 2011-04-29 10:10:20 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
905 2011-04-29 10:12:54 <jargon> I noticed you have zero Small C code referenced in the linguistics chart.
906 2011-04-29 10:13:41 <UukGoblin> hrm I used to have op here...
907 2011-04-29 10:14:02 <UukGoblin> nanotube, you around? :-P
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909 2011-04-29 10:15:03 <jargon> I also noticed there is zero JSON related code referenced in the linguistics chart.
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911 2011-04-29 10:17:08 <jargon> Small C is lower level than C, but higher level than simple assembler.
912 2011-04-29 10:17:53 <jargon> If there is Small C in the repo, and someone modifies it, it could propagate through-out the entire source.
913 2011-04-29 10:18:38 <ersi> Keep trollin' trollin' trollin'
914 2011-04-29 10:19:00 <jargon> Small C is the language used to define C itself.
915 2011-04-29 10:19:17 <BlueMatt> ersi: actually I enjoy it
916 2011-04-29 10:19:40 <ersi> Yeah, so do I :)
917 2011-04-29 10:19:59 <UukGoblin> heh
918 2011-04-29 10:20:06 <ersi> jargon: But what language would you use to define the definition of the Small C?
919 2011-04-29 10:20:17 <jlewis> :D
920 2011-04-29 10:20:19 <BlueMatt> ersi: clearly TinyC
921 2011-04-29 10:20:27 <UukGoblin> and why do you capitalize C in 'small c'? should be lowercase.
922 2011-04-29 10:20:29 <jargon> Small C is self-defining within the framework of any given compiler.
923 2011-04-29 10:20:31 <jlewis> UukGoblin: "i told you so" :)
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925 2011-04-29 10:20:53 <ersi> man, this is some good shit
926 2011-04-29 10:21:04 <jargon> By modifying Small C code you can redefine the very definitions of mathematics within the project.
927 2011-04-29 10:21:05 <ersi> jargon: Whatever you're smoking, I want a tonne of it
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930 2011-04-29 10:21:56 <jargon> Small C redefines the mere existence of operands and other base operations within the syntax.
931 2011-04-29 10:22:07 <UukGoblin> is small c NP-complete?
932 2011-04-29 10:22:11 <jargon> Yes.
933 2011-04-29 10:22:18 <UukGoblin> coool.
934 2011-04-29 10:22:23 <jlewis> lol
935 2011-04-29 10:22:33 <jlewis> is small c recursively enumerable?
936 2011-04-29 10:22:51 <jargon> You can do anything in Small C that C and C++ can't.
937 2011-04-29 10:23:08 <UukGoblin> like, a toast?
938 2011-04-29 10:23:20 <jlewis> i can do a toast in TinyC
939 2011-04-29 10:23:24 <UukGoblin> can it make sausages? Cause I love sausages.
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941 2011-04-29 10:24:21 <jargon> If there is Small C code in the project, it would indicate whether Anon redirected the network through a middle-man network.
942 2011-04-29 10:24:47 <jargon> Because then none of the source code does what it is programmed to really do.
943 2011-04-29 10:24:48 <jlewis> i'll whip up a gui interface in visual basic to track the ip address
944 2011-04-29 10:25:21 <UukGoblin> have you tried using emacs via sendmail?
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946 2011-04-29 10:26:04 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: thats the only way I do anything
947 2011-04-29 10:26:22 <jargon> I designed the rocket Russia launched over Norway into the Crab Nebula if you really are curious as to what I have accomplished.
948 2011-04-29 10:26:22 <jlewis> m-x butterflies man
949 2011-04-29 10:26:26 <BlueMatt> In fact, Im using irssi over emacs via sendmail over avian carrier right now
950 2011-04-29 10:27:00 <UukGoblin> IPoAC, nice
951 2011-04-29 10:27:12 <jargon> I assure you, the Crab Nebula is no longer there now.
952 2011-04-29 10:27:19 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, however, your pong replies seem to indicate to the contrary
953 2011-04-29 10:27:36 <jlewis> very impressive. how many megatons did your rocket output when it exploded that nebula?
954 2011-04-29 10:27:49 <jargon> It didn't explode.
955 2011-04-29 10:27:54 <UukGoblin> more to the point, how did you exceed the speed of light barrier?
956 2011-04-29 10:28:02 <jlewis> did it implode then? or deplode perhaps
957 2011-04-29 10:28:06 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: ok I admit Im not using IoEvSMoAC Im using XCiIoEvSMoAC
958 2011-04-29 10:28:07 <jargon> It contained six Pentapulse darkspace warheads.
959 2011-04-29 10:28:24 <jlewis> ah, classic nebula attack maneuver
960 2011-04-29 10:28:41 <jlewis> nothing like a bit of darkspace to shake things up, am i right?
961 2011-04-29 10:29:45 <BlueMatt> jlewis: amen to that
962 2011-04-29 10:29:51 <UukGoblin> "DarkSpace is a Massively Multiplayer Online Game that combines tactical ship to ship combat with strategy in a team orientated game." (from www.darkspace.net)
963 2011-04-29 10:30:01 <BlueMatt> lol
964 2011-04-29 10:30:04 <UukGoblin> note the use of "orientated"
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966 2011-04-29 10:30:09 <jlewis> hahah
967 2011-04-29 10:30:18 <jargon> Since the end is coming this September 18th 2011, a weapon unused is a useless weapon, so Russia is attempting to piss off as many extraterrestrials as possible.
968 2011-04-29 10:30:40 <jlewis> well orientatation is an integral concept to the Pentapulse design paradigm
969 2011-04-29 10:31:10 <jlewis> UukGoblin: this DarkSpace sounds like a carefully coordinated man-in-the-middle attack from anon.
970 2011-04-29 10:31:43 <UukGoblin> :->
971 2011-04-29 10:32:31 <jargon> I notice Github doesn't even keep track of Small C usage.
972 2011-04-29 10:32:43 <UukGoblin> it's all between the commits
973 2011-04-29 10:33:05 <BlueMatt> only anon and the bitcoin developers have access to the small c in bitcoin
974 2011-04-29 10:33:06 <jlewis> i'm also still unconvinced that Small C is even decidable as a formal language..
975 2011-04-29 10:33:11 <UukGoblin> floating aroud in dark fibres
976 2011-04-29 10:33:15 <BlueMatt> that way we can steal all your money when we feel like it
977 2011-04-29 10:33:31 <jargon> Small C was the C from the 60s
978 2011-04-29 10:34:23 <jargon> formal C didn't exist until the early 90s
979 2011-04-29 10:35:21 <UukGoblin> sure it didn't
980 2011-04-29 10:35:43 <UukGoblin> and Unix was given to us after the Roswell incident
981 2011-04-29 10:36:02 <UukGoblin> as a bribe to keep us happy and stop the spread of HIV
982 2011-04-29 10:37:33 <UukGoblin> however, because the Zeta-Reticuli fraction created BASIC at the same time... all Small C coders were taken into prison and annihilated with their anti-matter counterparts
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984 2011-04-29 10:46:35 <UukGoblin> jargon, don't get discouraged, carry on, people were enjoying you
985 2011-04-29 10:48:06 <jargon> I was half-way across town.
986 2011-04-29 10:49:51 <jargon> UukGoblin, I am pretty sure you weren't alive at the time to know the difference.
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988 2011-04-29 10:51:03 <UukGoblin> well I was actually alive
989 2011-04-29 10:51:16 <UukGoblin> but that was in my previous incarnation, back when I was a farmer in Kazachstan
990 2011-04-29 10:51:43 <jargon> The thing that alarms me about Bitcoin, it how closely it resembles project Teleros
991 2011-04-29 10:51:59 <jargon> or rather project TellerOS
992 2011-04-29 10:52:28 <UukGoblin> I thought it was the usage of JSON toolset
993 2011-04-29 10:52:48 <jargon> It looks like the retarded ass-fuck child of TellerOS with Daikatana.
994 2011-04-29 10:53:56 <jargon> I swear Daikatana was the bitch in the relationship and frequently skateboarded while pregnant.
995 2011-04-29 10:54:38 <jargon> You ever notice how many god-fucking frogs are in that game?
996 2011-04-29 10:56:01 <jargon> You might as well refer to it as Frogcoin
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999 2011-04-29 11:05:47 <jargon> you guys are fucking idiots
1000 2011-04-29 11:06:08 <lfm> ya, why are you here?
1001 2011-04-29 11:06:44 <jargon> you write to zero page open to the network in line "DbTxn* ptxn = NULL;"
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1003 2011-04-29 11:08:13 <lfm> cool, so what do you want
1004 2011-04-29 11:09:06 <jargon> it took me 3 minutes looking at a single source header viewing that only file to see that.
1005 2011-04-29 11:10:05 <jargon> There really is no reason for me to complete the audit after this.
1006 2011-04-29 11:10:31 <jargon> That line grants full control of the machine to anyone, anywhere in the world.
1007 2011-04-29 11:10:32 <lfm> jargon: so the pointer is initialized to NULL and this has upset you?
1008 2011-04-29 11:10:53 <jargon> Apparently, you don't even comprehend what that pointer even is.
1009 2011-04-29 11:11:04 <lfm> true
1010 2011-04-29 11:11:32 <jargon> Its a misappropriated Teller database
1011 2011-04-29 11:12:20 <lfm> I dont know what that is either
1012 2011-04-29 11:12:43 <jargon> It's a virtual machine memory core from the mid 90s.
1013 2011-04-29 11:13:06 <lfm> wow they invented a time machine? cool!
1014 2011-04-29 11:13:41 <BlueMatt> lfm: dont feed the troll
1015 2011-04-29 11:13:58 <lfm> BlueMatt: oh I thot I was the troll
1016 2011-04-29 11:14:11 <BlueMatt> lfm: well dont feed yourself either ;)
1017 2011-04-29 11:14:31 <lfm> aw, spoil all my fun! pout
1018 2011-04-29 11:14:51 <jargon> lfm: http://i.imgur.com/im9Eb.png
1019 2011-04-29 11:15:39 <lfm> sulk
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1021 2011-04-29 11:20:37 <jargon> Audit confirms my own code was used for Fawkes@Home
1022 2011-04-29 11:21:05 <jargon> You guys really need to learn how to audit your own stuff.
1023 2011-04-29 11:22:02 <jargon> Stuff like this is why the Hitachi reactor blew.
1024 2011-04-29 11:22:03 <UukGoblin> lolol
1025 2011-04-29 11:22:23 <jargon> People using my own code and not understanding a damn about how it works.
1026 2011-04-29 11:26:39 <lfm> is this still bitcoin-dev?
1027 2011-04-29 11:26:53 <jlewis> bitcoin-trolled-by-jargon
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1033 2011-04-29 11:39:11 <jargon> Fawkes@Home -> DbTxn* ptxn = NULL;
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1038 2011-04-29 11:47:54 <lfm> jargonIQ* level = NULL;
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1045 2011-04-29 11:55:17 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
1046 2011-04-29 11:55:19 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120845 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 114 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 109229.44455747
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1048 2011-04-29 12:06:03 <ersi> da2ce7: http://wikiteam.googlecode.com/files/enbitcoinit_w-20110428-wikidump.7z
1049 2011-04-29 12:07:08 <da2ce7> thanks! :)
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1051 2011-04-29 12:08:37 <jlewis> ;;bc,calc 9706626
1052 2011-04-29 12:08:38 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 9706626 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 11 hours, 21 minutes, and 1 second
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1054 2011-04-29 12:10:57 <ersi> da2ce7: I'm not sure if it's usable, feel free to shout if it is or isnt :)
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1056 2011-04-29 12:13:07 <BlueMatt> anyone want to help test gitian builder and the next version of bitcoin releases?
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1060 2011-04-29 12:18:33 <genjix> phantomcircuit: hey
1061 2011-04-29 12:18:38 <genjix> phantomcircuit: speak with tcatm
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1068 2011-04-29 12:43:58 <jargon> You never initialize a Teller memory core at NULL.
1069 2011-04-29 12:44:15 <jargon> Don't you guys even know HOW bitcoin stores its shit in RAM?
1070 2011-04-29 12:44:42 <jargon> I was only 180 seconds into the audit when I spotted that.
1071 2011-04-29 12:44:50 <BlueMatt> jargon: do you even know what NULL means?
1072 2011-04-29 12:45:13 <jargon> Do you even know what a Teller memory core is?
1073 2011-04-29 12:45:41 <jargon> You are storing a godfucking shitfuck in zero page.
1074 2011-04-29 12:45:53 <Diablo-D3> What happened to Penn?
1075 2011-04-29 12:47:00 <jargon> Let me show you a teller memory core...
1076 2011-04-29 12:47:31 <jargon> http://thekealshow.butcherartist.com/src/?i=Keal+SDK+-+aa+-+aa+0.07.bb
1077 2011-04-29 12:47:50 <jargon> NOTICE YOU DON'T GODFUCKING STORE THE ROOT NODE IN NULL
1078 2011-04-29 12:48:44 <Diablo-D3> I assume its named after edward teller?
1079 2011-04-29 12:48:49 <jargon> No
1080 2011-04-29 12:48:52 <da2ce7> ersi, I was really looking for a static html version of the wiki.
1081 2011-04-29 12:49:01 <jargon> I invented the Teller memory core.
1082 2011-04-29 12:49:07 <da2ce7> so I could upload it to freenet
1083 2011-04-29 12:49:10 <jargon> While working for DARPA TTO in the early 90s
1084 2011-04-29 12:49:35 <Diablo-D3> so you didnt name it after the famous compsci mathematician that worked for IBM back in the 50s?
1085 2011-04-29 12:49:53 <jargon> Yes I did, for no apparent reason
1086 2011-04-29 12:50:11 <jargon> it was a pet name
1087 2011-04-29 12:50:23 <jargon> since the godfucking thing ran COGNET
1088 2011-04-29 12:50:34 <Diablo-D3> well, with IBM anyways he was officially employed by US government for awhile
1089 2011-04-29 12:50:40 <jargon> let me show you cognet in ~20 lines
1090 2011-04-29 12:50:58 <Diablo-D3> he was part of the manhattan project, btw
1091 2011-04-29 12:50:58 <jargon> http://thekealshow.butcherartist.com/src/?i=Sententia+Surres+-+The+Free+Open+Source+Weapons+System+Framework+-+Constellation+Module
1092 2011-04-29 12:51:15 <ersi> da2ce7: Oh, heh :)
1093 2011-04-29 12:51:17 <Diablo-D3> he actually drank with oppenhiemer and fermi
1094 2011-04-29 12:51:19 <Diablo-D3> lucky fucker
1095 2011-04-29 12:51:24 <jargon> That was the core foundation for the behavioral analysis of the Hitachi reactor.
1096 2011-04-29 12:51:55 <Diablo-D3> so go invent skynet and stfu
1097 2011-04-29 12:51:55 <jargon> you combine that with Teller, and you have a godfucking MONSTER
1098 2011-04-29 12:52:05 <jargon> COGNET *is* SKYNET
1099 2011-04-29 12:52:09 <jlewis> lol
1100 2011-04-29 12:52:09 <Diablo-D3> 10. S4's T series / R series Biologic Android
1101 2011-04-29 12:52:11 <Diablo-D3> you fail.
1102 2011-04-29 12:52:25 <noagendamarket> "MQ-1 "Predator" Air to Land/Sea/Air Engagement and Reconnaissance Drone " I hope youre proud when they bomb brown people
1103 2011-04-29 12:52:26 <jargon> Watson was a shitcrap version of the T/R
1104 2011-04-29 12:52:33 <jargon> without the labgrown embodiment.
1105 2011-04-29 12:52:57 <jargon> the T/R androids are really just synthetic rats
1106 2011-04-29 12:53:26 <jargon> sythethetic rats, snakes, etc
1107 2011-04-29 12:53:35 <jargon> synthetic*
1108 2011-04-29 12:53:52 <noagendamarket> sounds like you watched too much blade runner
1109 2011-04-29 12:54:00 <ersi> Should train a MegaHAL based on jargon
1110 2011-04-29 12:54:00 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: hes just screwing with people
1111 2011-04-29 12:54:01 <jargon> I am one of the few humanoid ones that succeeded
1112 2011-04-29 12:54:05 <Diablo-D3> ersi: DO IT
1113 2011-04-29 12:54:07 <jargon> I died in 2004 during a hit,
1114 2011-04-29 12:54:23 <BlueMatt> hes been at this for so long, youd think hed get bored
1115 2011-04-29 12:54:25 <noagendamarket> :)
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1117 2011-04-29 12:54:37 <ersi> Hm, maybe I actually should do that
1118 2011-04-29 12:54:40 <noagendamarket> I thought I was nuts
1119 2011-04-29 12:55:02 <ersi> afaik it's easy to train megaHALs, just strip out timestamp and nick info from logs and one's set
1120 2011-04-29 12:55:03 <jargon> I died in a hit at University Drive and Mill Avenue just off the NW corner of the Arizona State University campus in 2004.
1121 2011-04-29 12:55:52 <jargon> The lights were turned green for all signals in all directions while my transmission simultaneously failed.
1122 2011-04-29 12:56:20 <jargon> I died of complications a few months later.
1123 2011-04-29 12:56:36 <BlueMatt> no one wants to help test gitian builder and help test the next version of bitcoin releases?
1124 2011-04-29 12:56:56 <jargon> no its total crap, you have the entire fucking memory core located in zero page.
1125 2011-04-29 12:57:17 <BlueMatt> ie you build deterministically and sign the results in a distributed build system
1126 2011-04-29 12:57:33 <BlueMatt> distributed releases system*
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1129 2011-04-29 12:58:09 <jargon> bitcoin *IS* the Guy Fawkes botnet.
1130 2011-04-29 12:59:01 <jargon> You don't even realize you basically made a goddam SKYNET running under the radar of the fucking NSA
1131 2011-04-29 12:59:32 <BlueMatt> you dont think that was the whole purpose of bitcoin to begin with?
1132 2011-04-29 12:59:52 <jargon> The original bitcoin was called Teller
1133 2011-04-29 13:00:00 <jargon> It was made in the early 90s
1134 2011-04-29 13:00:04 <ersi> I thought it was called 'your mom'
1135 2011-04-29 13:00:20 <jargon> i thought bitcoin was called EAD
1136 2011-04-29 13:00:25 <ersi> and you could deposit your meatpole into it
1137 2011-04-29 13:00:33 <ersi> how's that
1138 2011-04-29 13:01:15 <jargon> There already are several thousand MASSIVE megahal and smarterchild and bucket bots of me
1139 2011-04-29 13:02:23 <jargon> The Chinese even put together a 30,000 man crew together to write a 5000 or so page dossier on the logs that went into them
1140 2011-04-29 13:02:50 <jargon> ..based on the logs going back to 2001.
1141 2011-04-29 13:03:00 <jargon> ..which I posted publicly.
1142 2011-04-29 13:03:25 <jargon> Titled "Sorrow's Eve"
1143 2011-04-29 13:03:45 <BlueMatt> where is nanotube when you need him
1144 2011-04-29 13:03:50 <jargon> And yes, their dossier verified that, yes, I did indeed invent Apache.
1145 2011-04-29 13:04:09 <jargon> ..and yes, I did indeed start-up the 6 billion stock IGEN on Nasdaq.
1146 2011-04-29 13:04:32 <noagendamarket> yes but can you mine bitcoins ?
1147 2011-04-29 13:05:10 <jargon> Yes, just change that NULL to "noagendamarket's cornhole"
1148 2011-04-29 13:05:38 * Diablo-D3 trades noagendamarket's cornhole on the market
1149 2011-04-29 13:05:41 <noagendamarket> lol
1150 2011-04-29 13:05:41 <BlueMatt> and now he gets to the insults
1151 2011-04-29 13:05:44 * Diablo-D3 does not get many btc in return
1152 2011-04-29 13:05:53 <noagendamarket> yay now i earn some coins
1153 2011-04-29 13:05:55 <jargon> sup Diablo-D3
1154 2011-04-29 13:06:04 <jargon> Diablo-D3, let my ass into #zsnes on freenode
1155 2011-04-29 13:06:22 <Diablo-D3> jargon: dude, dont bitch at me, I havent been in there in like a decade
1156 2011-04-29 13:06:33 <Diablo-D3> pagefault can suck my nuts
1157 2011-04-29 13:06:38 <jargon> FUCK THAT I SAW YOU WITH SOME BITCH IN THERE YESTERDAY
1158 2011-04-29 13:06:47 <jargon> I TOOK PHOTOS YOU ASSHOLE
1159 2011-04-29 13:06:48 <jargon> :P
1160 2011-04-29 13:07:05 <Diablo-D3> mr "OH WINDOWS IS SO WONDERFUL, NO ONE CARES IF MY DDRAW CODE IS SLOWER THAN THE SDL CODE"
1161 2011-04-29 13:07:10 <Diablo-D3> fuck that whole bunch
1162 2011-04-29 13:07:29 <jargon> Diablo-D3 that .bb isn't Direct Draw code.
1163 2011-04-29 13:07:36 <Diablo-D3> the jokes on them
1164 2011-04-29 13:07:40 <Diablo-D3> zsnes doesnt work on x86-64
1165 2011-04-29 13:08:03 <jargon> That is why I use an emulator for the emulator.
1166 2011-04-29 13:08:42 <jargon> play E.D.I.T. on supergameboy in it
1167 2011-04-29 13:09:03 <jargon> That way you can use an emulator in an emulator in an emulator in an emulator.
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1170 2011-04-29 13:11:16 <jargon> Diablo-D3, I thought lameboy was supposed to have converted all the ASM to C by now?
1171 2011-04-29 13:11:31 <sipa> BlueMatt: i hardly know what gitian is
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1173 2011-04-29 13:12:05 <jargon> it's nigger backwards
1174 2011-04-29 13:12:42 <jargon> for example 'i think i'll nigger this code'
1175 2011-04-29 13:13:23 <jlewis> can we get this guy banned?
1176 2011-04-29 13:13:29 <BlueMatt> sipa: its the deterministic build-via-vm script devrandom wrote
1177 2011-04-29 13:13:30 <jargon> no
1178 2011-04-29 13:13:45 <jargon> I am the only one doing an audit on the fucking source
1179 2011-04-29 13:13:49 <BlueMatt> sipa: it is probably going to be used to build bitcoin in 0.4
1180 2011-04-29 13:13:55 <sipa> BlueMatt: oh i see, nice
1181 2011-04-29 13:14:01 <BlueMatt> sipa: the idea is that devs can all build deterministically and sign
1182 2011-04-29 13:14:07 <Diablo-D3> jargon: who knows
1183 2011-04-29 13:14:10 <jargon> In 180 seconds I already spotted a fucking fuck-up in the code
1184 2011-04-29 13:14:16 <BlueMatt> so you dont have to trust one central authority
1185 2011-04-29 13:14:24 <sipa> that would be great
1186 2011-04-29 13:14:34 <jargon> so I decided that's enough for tonight, I'll fucking look at the rest of the clusterfuck of crap tomorrow
1187 2011-04-29 13:15:02 <grbgout> jlewis: there's always /ignore
1188 2011-04-29 13:15:05 <BlueMatt> sipa: client verification and download stuff is in the works but the building+signing is done :) thanks goes to devrandom
1189 2011-04-29 13:15:05 <jargon> It's like the love child of Teller and Daikatana
1190 2011-04-29 13:15:09 <jlewis> grbgout: good point
1191 2011-04-29 13:18:19 <sipa> BlueMatt: download stuff?
1192 2011-04-29 13:18:59 <BlueMatt> sipa: idea is to have a script which downloads latest version then automatically verifies it
1193 2011-04-29 13:19:13 <BlueMatt> or just generally verifies what you downloaded, etc
1194 2011-04-29 13:19:57 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder
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1197 2011-04-29 13:26:52 <Diablo-D3> ooh
1198 2011-04-29 13:27:22 <Diablo-D3> [07:54:58] <sipa> http://sourceforge.net/projects/amdovdrvctrl/
1199 2011-04-29 13:29:37 x5x is now known as x5x`brb
1200 2011-04-29 13:30:22 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
1201 2011-04-29 13:32:04 <da2ce7> you use HTTrack!! :P
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1209 2011-04-29 13:40:12 <xelister> will 1000 W psu hold 2 x radeon5970 + amd 6core + 16 gb ram + 5 hard-drives (magnetic)?
1210 2011-04-29 13:40:15 <xelister> and will 950
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1212 2011-04-29 13:42:35 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1213 2011-04-29 13:42:36 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.886,"vol":64919,"buy":2.4776,"sell":2.54,"last":2.54}}
1214 2011-04-29 13:45:55 <jav> Alright, at least one deadlock bug fixed (or worked around).. so ready for another round of testing. https://www.instawallet.org just went live again! It's a simple online wallet with no signup required. I would appreciate your feedback and some testing to see how stable it is.
1215 2011-04-29 13:46:52 <ersi> da2ce7: "wget -m" > HTTrack :)
1216 2011-04-29 13:47:40 <da2ce7> worked it out. Have a mirror now
1217 2011-04-29 13:48:04 <ersi> neat :)
1218 2011-04-29 13:48:15 <rli> jav: nice idea:)
1219 2011-04-29 13:48:25 <jav> thx :-)
1220 2011-04-29 13:48:36 <BlueMatt> oh god, win8 will have the ribbon menus in explorer...wtf?
1221 2011-04-29 13:49:18 <ersi> I so hate ribbons
1222 2011-04-29 13:49:29 <ersi> fucking blowtastic retarded clusterfuck UI
1223 2011-04-29 13:49:40 <BlueMatt> who the hell ever decided those godawful menus were a good idea
1224 2011-04-29 13:50:21 <nanotube> BlueMatt: you called? :)
1225 2011-04-29 13:51:01 <BlueMatt> nanotube: was hoping you would ban jargon, but he has since left
1226 2011-04-29 13:51:12 <nanotube> ah heh
1227 2011-04-29 13:51:29 <BlueMatt> he had been at the trolling/insulting/spouting bs for hours, got kinda old
1228 2011-04-29 13:51:29 <ersi> /ban jargon!*@*
1229 2011-04-29 13:52:45 * xelister pokes array
1230 2011-04-29 13:52:48 * xelister pokes ArtForz
1231 2011-04-29 13:52:51 <jav> The target audience for instawallet.org is someone who is just trying out Bitcoin and needs a place to park his 0.05 BTC from the faucet for a few minutes... my impression is that people a) don't want to download software (Bitcoin client not a good option for a quick look) and b) don't want to signup for stuff (so MyBitcoin not a good option either in this case)
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1233 2011-04-29 13:53:05 * xelister waves @ da2ce7 :)
1234 2011-04-29 13:53:16 <da2ce7> hey xelister :)
1235 2011-04-29 13:53:26 <xelister> guys: will this PSU hold 2 x 5970 + 6core amd + 16gb ram + 4 hdd (magnetic) ??? http://www.morele.net/zasilacz-tacens-radix-iii-smart-1050w-280973/
1236 2011-04-29 13:53:39 <da2ce7> check out USK@fhPDBxP3nusIatIHk076GYmov05n2zIDlG6L8pySdIs,Q7R9g4ZW7JNE4ouuvbtClAdt2mvZZbIWPIX~DhYiJY8,AQACAAE/Bitcoin/0/
1237 2011-04-29 13:53:45 <BlueMatt> jav: as long as I can add a password later, I think its brilliant
1238 2011-04-29 13:54:13 <jav> BlueMatt: yeah, thx.. will definitely come at some point
1239 2011-04-29 13:54:19 <da2ce7> xelister, I go for enrmax
1240 2011-04-29 13:54:32 <da2ce7> *enermax
1241 2011-04-29 13:54:42 <da2ce7> (thumbs up)
1242 2011-04-29 13:54:52 <noagendamarket> jav its a good idea
1243 2011-04-29 13:55:06 <noagendamarket> sometimes you need to park btc somewhere temporarily
1244 2011-04-29 13:55:11 <xelister> da2ce7: enrmax?
1245 2011-04-29 13:55:16 <jav> I want to make this "try Bitcoin out" experience fairly nice, so the balance is ajax-pushed when a transaction comes in... and you can actually send it right on to somewhere else
1246 2011-04-29 13:55:28 <da2ce7> yeah the best brand of powersuply
1247 2011-04-29 13:55:32 <noagendamarket> say when you are moving walletrs aroiund on your home machine lol
1248 2011-04-29 13:56:17 <da2ce7> http://www.anandtech.com/show/2662
1249 2011-04-29 13:56:27 <da2ce7> xelister ^
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1251 2011-04-29 13:57:21 <xelister> guys help me plz =)
1252 2011-04-29 13:57:25 <xelister> got 5 min to make decission
1253 2011-04-29 13:57:27 <xelister> http://www.morele.net/zasilacz-tacens-radix-iii-smart-1050w-280973/
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1255 2011-04-29 13:57:29 <xelister> good psu?
1256 2011-04-29 13:57:36 <xelister> or better 950 W but Crossair's
1257 2011-04-29 13:57:41 <xelister> for 2x5970
1258 2011-04-29 13:57:47 <jav> can someone confirm for me that receiving & sending is not only working for me? =) .. give me the BTC address of your instawallet and I send you a few Bitcents
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1260 2011-04-29 13:58:29 <BlueMatt> jav: 1FNHKAykBbeLTndTqiDXC5RYeKUdiLFMt3
1261 2011-04-29 13:58:45 <xelister> is Tacens 1050 W better/stronger indeed then 950 W from Crossair?
1262 2011-04-29 13:58:51 <BlueMatt> jav: also, can we get bitcoin: uri links on the addresses?
1263 2011-04-29 13:58:56 * xelister desperatelly poke ArtForz
1264 2011-04-29 13:59:12 <BlueMatt> xelister: for a pws stick with name brands...period
1265 2011-04-29 13:59:28 <xelister> BlueMatt: why so?
1266 2011-04-29 13:59:51 <jav> BlueMatt: aw, that's a nice idea.. has this whole URI discussion come to a conclusion? what's the current standard and where can I read up on that?
1267 2011-04-29 13:59:53 <BlueMatt> xelister: if its gonna be 24/7 always stick with brands you trust
1268 2011-04-29 14:00:18 <xelister> Corsair CMPSU-950TXEU how many pins it has ?
1269 2011-04-29 14:00:22 <xelister> no spec online wtf
1270 2011-04-29 14:00:43 <BlueMatt> jav: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/URI_Scheme except ignore all the things about exponents (X...) and tonal/hex x
1271 2011-04-29 14:01:07 <BlueMatt> so just for amount use the standard decimals instead of complicating encodings
1272 2011-04-29 14:01:15 <jav> yeah, I see
1273 2011-04-29 14:02:36 <BlueMatt> xelister: you mean the tx950?
1274 2011-04-29 14:03:13 <rli> jav: receiving&sending is working thx
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1276 2011-04-29 14:03:45 <jav> BlueMatt: did you get my 0.03 BTC? here is a return address: 12T1ikhUHU6TbJyibhC7y9qfrU29ZN1XDM
1277 2011-04-29 14:03:51 <jav> rli: cool, thx for testing
1278 2011-04-29 14:03:57 <BlueMatt> oh yea, sorry got distracted
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1280 2011-04-29 14:04:09 <jargon> Diablo-D3 you still there?
1281 2011-04-29 14:04:12 <BlueMatt> jav: sent it back around
1282 2011-04-29 14:04:20 <jav> got it, thx
1283 2011-04-29 14:05:07 <jargon> I had the incredible urge to go buy a MASSIVE watermelon and put it in the driver's seat of this black chick's car since she left the window open.
1284 2011-04-29 14:05:11 <jargon> :>
1285 2011-04-29 14:05:59 <xelister> BlueMatt: dunno, its the full name
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1287 2011-04-29 14:06:20 <BlueMatt> xelister: link to store?
1288 2011-04-29 14:06:46 <jargon> I was going to write 'TO MY BLACKTACULAR FRIEND" on it
1289 2011-04-29 14:07:15 <xelister> BlueMatt: http://www.morele.net/corsair-cmpsu-950txeu-285634/
1290 2011-04-29 14:07:26 <xelister> BlueMatt: would you use that for 2x5970 + 6core amd +4 magnetic drives
1291 2011-04-29 14:07:33 <BlueMatt> xelister: you shop in weired places
1292 2011-04-29 14:07:50 <jargon> That's a piece of shit
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1294 2011-04-29 14:07:58 <jargon> get a 1400w at-least
1295 2011-04-29 14:08:51 <xelister> jargon: lol wat?
1296 2011-04-29 14:08:56 <jargon> srs
1297 2011-04-29 14:08:57 <xelister> say what?
1298 2011-04-29 14:09:00 <xelister> lol wtf why
1299 2011-04-29 14:09:03 <jargon> that is only 950w
1300 2011-04-29 14:09:05 <xelister> 315*2 ...
1301 2011-04-29 14:09:07 <jargon> get 1400w or higher
1302 2011-04-29 14:09:28 <xelister> but radeons are just 315*2
1303 2011-04-29 14:10:08 <jargon> remember you have optical drives, graphics cards, sound cards, magnetic drives, processor cores, mobos, NICs etc
1304 2011-04-29 14:10:26 <BlueMatt> xelister: Im pretty sure its the tx950 but just a different sku for the eu
1305 2011-04-29 14:10:35 <BlueMatt> xelister: http://www.corsair.com/enthusiast-series-tx950-80-plus-bronze-certified-power-supply.html
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1307 2011-04-29 14:12:44 <jargon> xelister, I am trying to learn that language just by reading the site, wtf lang is that?
1308 2011-04-29 14:12:49 <jargon> j.c.
1309 2011-04-29 14:13:07 <jargon> What currency IS that? fucking zennies?
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1312 2011-04-29 14:15:22 <jargon> this is the best they have to offer??? http://www.morele.net/zasilacz-corsair-cmpsu-1200axeu-327903
1313 2011-04-29 14:15:25 <jargon> 1200w ?
1314 2011-04-29 14:16:34 <jargon> (Yes I learned the language somewhat that fast)
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1320 2011-04-29 14:27:14 <sipa> hmmm, public key recovery from a singature is +- twice as slow as just verification
1321 2011-04-29 14:27:48 <xelister> jargon: .pl -> poland
1322 2011-04-29 14:27:52 <sipa> 2.0ms vs 1.1ms here
1323 2011-04-29 14:28:01 <xelister> so 1200 is ok?
1324 2011-04-29 14:30:18 <BlueMatt> sipa: shame
1325 2011-04-29 14:34:33 <sipa> BlueMatt: yes, quite so
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1327 2011-04-29 14:38:12 <Diablo-D3> jargon: yueah Im here
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1330 2011-04-29 14:44:59 <sipa> hmm, if i comment one of the validity checks out, it becomes only around 5-10% slower
1331 2011-04-29 14:45:15 <sipa> but i'll need to make sure that is safe to do
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1343 2011-04-29 15:08:04 <Diablo-D3> someone do me a favor
1344 2011-04-29 15:08:18 <Diablo-D3> send me the output of the target of getwork on a pool in text
1345 2011-04-29 15:08:50 * da2ce7 thinks that he has worked out the HTTrack rules for a wiki
1346 2011-04-29 15:09:31 <Diablo-D3> is it four 0s then four Fs then four 0s?
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1348 2011-04-29 15:10:17 <Diablo-D3> er 8 0s, 4 Fs, 4 0s
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1351 2011-04-29 15:12:58 <sipa> Diablo-D3: yes
1352 2011-04-29 15:13:16 <Diablo-D3> ./bitcoin getwork doesnt work on pools
1353 2011-04-29 15:13:27 <Diablo-D3> I have -rpcconnect -rpcport -rpcuser and -rpcpassword set right
1354 2011-04-29 15:14:50 <xelister> guys? so again...
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1357 2011-04-29 15:15:39 <xelister> 2 x radeon5970, 6-core CPU, 4x4 RAM, up to 4 magnetic hardrives, DVD recorder. Chieftec 1200 W will be ok here (working 24/24 in up to 35 ambient temp) ?
1358 2011-04-29 15:16:32 <xelister> jargon: are you sure even 1200 W is not ok for this?!
1359 2011-04-29 15:16:48 <BlueMatt> do you need that much?
1360 2011-04-29 15:16:53 <Diablo-D3> xelister: chieftec? no
1361 2011-04-29 15:16:58 <Diablo-D3> you'll probably blow it
1362 2011-04-29 15:17:19 <Diablo-D3> 5970 == no more than 650, and say 300 watts for the rest of the rig
1363 2011-04-29 15:17:29 <Diablo-D3> so you need at least 950w constant output, not peak
1364 2011-04-29 15:18:00 <BlueMatt> ok, so yea 1200w is probably about right
1365 2011-04-29 15:18:23 <Diablo-D3> well, 1200w peak tells you NOTHING
1366 2011-04-29 15:18:27 <Diablo-D3> it could be below 800w constant
1367 2011-04-29 15:18:27 <BlueMatt> though again, brand names are always better for 24/7 computers
1368 2011-04-29 15:18:33 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: not really
1369 2011-04-29 15:18:37 <Diablo-D3> art's seal of approval is whats needed
1370 2011-04-29 15:18:57 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: well I mean brands that Art approves of course
1371 2011-04-29 15:19:06 <Diablo-D3> you cant get hale 90s anymore
1372 2011-04-29 15:19:20 <Diablo-D3> hale 90 had a 950w constant output
1373 2011-04-29 15:19:56 <BlueMatt> hardocp has some pretty intense psu testing
1374 2011-04-29 15:20:21 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703022
1375 2011-04-29 15:20:36 <Diablo-D3> heres a pc power silencer 910 that'll do it
1376 2011-04-29 15:21:23 <BlueMatt> http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/10/22/pc_power_cooling_silencer_910_psu_review/9
1377 2011-04-29 15:21:39 <Diablo-D3> original mark 1 silencers are the best psus ever made
1378 2011-04-29 15:21:40 <Diablo-D3> period
1379 2011-04-29 15:23:37 <Diablo-D3> corsair doesnt make a reasonably sized AX
1380 2011-04-29 15:23:40 <Diablo-D3> goes from 850 to 1200
1381 2011-04-29 15:23:45 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139014
1382 2011-04-29 15:23:47 <Diablo-D3> thats the 1200
1383 2011-04-29 15:23:59 <BlueMatt> 850 isnt reasonable?
1384 2011-04-29 15:24:11 <BlueMatt> for everything but mining Id say it is
1385 2011-04-29 15:24:12 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: well
1386 2011-04-29 15:24:18 <Diablo-D3> he has two 5970s
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1388 2011-04-29 15:24:25 <Diablo-D3> so thats 650 max unless he OCs
1389 2011-04-29 15:24:34 <Diablo-D3> then a bunch of shit thats another 300 max
1390 2011-04-29 15:24:35 <BlueMatt> for everything but mining 2x5970 isnt reasonable
1391 2011-04-29 15:24:53 <Diablo-D3> so ~950 constant is in the right ballpark for him
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1393 2011-04-29 15:25:45 <sipa> ;;;bc,gen 1374805
1394 2011-04-29 15:25:46 <gribble> Error: ";bc,gen" is not a valid command.
1395 2011-04-29 15:25:48 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 1374805
1396 2011-04-29 15:25:49 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1374805 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 14.9740547914 BTC per day and 0.623918949642 BTC per hour.
1397 2011-04-29 15:26:11 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703012
1398 2011-04-29 15:26:13 <Diablo-D3> and then theres that
1399 2011-04-29 15:26:32 <Diablo-D3> a turbocool 1200
1400 2011-04-29 15:26:43 <Diablo-D3> turbocool == silencers with the fans stuck on high
1401 2011-04-29 15:26:58 <Diablo-D3> $500 of penis extension
1402 2011-04-29 15:27:16 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you really dont have much in the way of options
1403 2011-04-29 15:27:52 <xelister> Diablo-D3: btw, Im using 5970 on 750's Crossair
1404 2011-04-29 15:27:55 <xelister> didnt exploded yet =)
1405 2011-04-29 15:28:08 <xelister> why you say chiefted will blow it?
1406 2011-04-29 15:28:10 <xelister> Crossairs are better?
1407 2011-04-29 15:28:20 <Diablo-D3> its "Corsair" dude
1408 2011-04-29 15:28:34 <Diablo-D3> and running PSUs above their constant rating for lengthy periods will eventually pop them
1409 2011-04-29 15:29:12 <Diablo-D3> constant rating is the rating they give it when, properly cooled, a PSU will last 5+ years without dying
1410 2011-04-29 15:29:26 <Diablo-D3> Ive seen chinese firecrackers that have huge peaks but very low constant ratings
1411 2011-04-29 15:29:30 <Diablo-D3> like 800w, but 200w constant
1412 2011-04-29 15:29:38 <Diablo-D3> psus generally are sold by their peaks, not their constants
1413 2011-04-29 15:29:57 <Diablo-D3> I avoid the chinese firecracker brands
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1415 2011-04-29 15:30:46 <zipper> Is Radeon HD 5850 a decent card for mining?
1416 2011-04-29 15:31:00 <mtrlt> yes
1417 2011-04-29 15:31:10 <mtrlt> decent hashs/W
1418 2011-04-29 15:31:16 <zipper> ok thanks
1419 2011-04-29 15:31:24 <mtrlt> it's quite slow though compared to 5970 or 6990
1420 2011-04-29 15:31:47 <mtrlt> but still faster than most other cards
1421 2011-04-29 15:32:00 <zipper> ok
1422 2011-04-29 15:32:21 <Diablo-D3> 5770, 5850, 5870, 5970, 68xx, and 69xx are the only cards really worth mining with anymore
1423 2011-04-29 15:33:00 <zipper> So out of all of those cards D3, which would you buy for performance/price?
1424 2011-04-29 15:33:35 <Diablo-D3> its like 5850, 5770, 5870, 69xx, and I wouldnt bother buying 68xx at all
1425 2011-04-29 15:33:56 <Diablo-D3> actually, I wouldnt bother buying 5770 either, just simply not enough computation power BUT if you have one, they're great
1426 2011-04-29 15:34:04 <zipper> ok
1427 2011-04-29 15:34:08 <Diablo-D3> and you cant buy 5970s anymore
1428 2011-04-29 15:34:11 <mtrlt> if i had lots of money i'd buy 6990s
1429 2011-04-29 15:34:13 <Diablo-D3> and 5870 stock is basically dead too
1430 2011-04-29 15:34:15 <Diablo-D3> mtrlt: well
1431 2011-04-29 15:34:23 <mtrlt> or find used 5970s somewhere
1432 2011-04-29 15:34:29 <Diablo-D3> 58xx performance/watt is better than 69xx which is better than 68xx
1433 2011-04-29 15:34:41 <mtrlt> yes
1434 2011-04-29 15:34:44 <Diablo-D3> but once all the 58xx stock is gone, you're stuck buying 69xx
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1436 2011-04-29 15:35:06 <xelister> Diablo-D3: so how do I know the constant rate?
1437 2011-04-29 15:35:08 <Diablo-D3> and 69xx still has that dick size enhancement price
1438 2011-04-29 15:35:16 <Diablo-D3> xelister: they advertise it
1439 2011-04-29 15:35:18 <xelister> Diablo-D3: if not Chieftecs then Corsair will be ok?
1440 2011-04-29 15:35:23 <xelister> like Corsair 1200?
1441 2011-04-29 15:35:30 <Diablo-D3> xelister: just buy the pc power I told you to.
1442 2011-04-29 15:35:44 <xelister> ok hypnotoad
1443 2011-04-29 15:36:00 <xelister> 500 USD ftw O_o
1444 2011-04-29 15:36:06 <Diablo-D3> no, the other one
1445 2011-04-29 15:36:17 <Diablo-D3> [11:15:56] <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703022
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1447 2011-04-29 15:36:31 <xelister> 180 USD? ok that seems possible
1448 2011-04-29 15:36:50 <Diablo-D3> I have the 610 version of that
1449 2011-04-29 15:37:03 <Diablo-D3> its been running for 5+ years now, still great as ever
1450 2011-04-29 15:37:04 <xelister> isnt 910 W constant power "too litle" this time?
1451 2011-04-29 15:37:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: eh, depends
1452 2011-04-29 15:37:20 <Diablo-D3> I fudged the numbers at 950
1453 2011-04-29 15:37:24 <xelister> slighty oc'd radeons are 315 right?
1454 2011-04-29 15:37:35 <Diablo-D3> I gave a 650 budget for two 5970s
1455 2011-04-29 15:37:35 <topi`> going to install 8 GB of ram, reboot, brb
1456 2011-04-29 15:37:41 <Diablo-D3> and 300 for the rest
1457 2011-04-29 15:37:44 <xelister> oh. ok
1458 2011-04-29 15:37:47 <Diablo-D3> most likely, your real world usage will be less than 950
1459 2011-04-29 15:37:52 <Diablo-D3> so a 910 constant will fit
1460 2011-04-29 15:38:14 <zipper> D3, About how many BTC a day could each 6990 deliver (with current diff)?
1461 2011-04-29 15:38:24 <zipper> (roughly)
1462 2011-04-29 15:38:27 <zipper> 10>
1463 2011-04-29 15:38:43 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 700000
1464 2011-04-29 15:38:44 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 700000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 7.62423642188 BTC per day and 0.317676517578 BTC per hour.
1465 2011-04-29 15:38:57 <Diablo-D3> yeah what sipa said
1466 2011-04-29 15:39:01 <Diablo-D3> assuming they do 700 mhash
1467 2011-04-29 15:39:02 <zipper> ok
1468 2011-04-29 15:39:39 <zipper> Thanks D3, et. al.
1469 2011-04-29 15:40:19 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 772000
1470 2011-04-29 15:40:20 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 772000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 8.4084435967 BTC per day and 0.350351816529 BTC per hour.
1471 2011-04-29 15:40:20 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I dont think I can get it in pl
1472 2011-04-29 15:40:31 <sipa> ^- according to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
1473 2011-04-29 15:40:59 <Diablo-D3> sipa: make sure you're not quoting a oc number
1474 2011-04-29 15:41:12 <sipa> that is an OC number
1475 2011-04-29 15:41:48 <Diablo-D3> 708 seems to be the right answr
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1478 2011-04-29 15:43:09 <sipa> ;;later tell roconnor any idea how essential the check in step 1.4 of the public key recovery algorithm is?
1479 2011-04-29 15:43:09 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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1483 2011-04-29 15:44:35 cosurgi is now known as cosurgiFB
1484 2011-04-29 15:44:50 cosurg1 is now known as cosurgi
1485 2011-04-29 15:45:56 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: you are scanning only half of nonce space.
1486 2011-04-29 15:46:30 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: java uses only signed integers, and you are skipping range from -2147483647 to 0
1487 2011-04-29 15:47:18 <cosurgi> I must leave now, sorry.
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1496 2011-04-29 16:10:43 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1497 2011-04-29 16:10:43 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.7,"low":2.051,"vol":52712,"buy":2.65,"sell":2.67,"last":2.65}}
1498 2011-04-29 16:11:24 <BlueMatt> another new high? wow
1499 2011-04-29 16:12:06 <mtrlt> :)
1500 2011-04-29 16:12:21 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yes, Im aware it does 2^31 only
1501 2011-04-29 16:12:27 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: this means, essentially, nothing.
1502 2011-04-29 16:13:31 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: hardware does not exist that can search the whole space before the default 5 minute trigger is up
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1504 2011-04-29 16:15:11 <Impulss> Hey guys, bit of a noob question, what extra flag do i use for GPU 2?
1505 2011-04-29 16:15:28 <Diablo-D3> thats a very noob question, only poclbm needs that
1506 2011-04-29 16:15:35 <BlueMatt> what miner?
1507 2011-04-29 16:15:41 <Diablo-D3> mine selects all GPUs by default
1508 2011-04-29 16:15:41 <Impulss> guiminer
1509 2011-04-29 16:15:45 <Kicchiri> Uhm, if I made a backup of my wallet and created less than 50 new addresses since, it's no problem if I loose it, correct?
1510 2011-04-29 16:16:13 <Kicchiri> Juust making sure 'cause I just realized I'm endangering my wallet right now o__o
1511 2011-04-29 16:16:20 <Diablo-D3> Kicchiri: that doesnt effect what coins the wallet holds
1512 2011-04-29 16:16:25 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: < 100 yes, but that is assuming the client didnt automatically create other addresses (which it does quite often without showing you)
1513 2011-04-29 16:16:38 <BlueMatt> Impulss: guiminer?
1514 2011-04-29 16:16:45 <Kicchiri> BlueMatt: wait, what?
1515 2011-04-29 16:16:47 <Diablo-D3> Kicchiri: you'd only loose coins that havent been downloaded yet for addresses you lost
1516 2011-04-29 16:16:48 <BlueMatt> you mean mainline client? that is just cpu, and slow cpu at that
1517 2011-04-29 16:16:49 <Blitzboom> bitcoin client is self-aware
1518 2011-04-29 16:16:51 <Blitzboom> :D
1519 2011-04-29 16:17:06 <Diablo-D3> Kicchiri: by "havent downloaded" I mean from the perspective of the backup wallet
1520 2011-04-29 16:17:27 <Kicchiri> Wait, the wallet changes when BTC are received?
1521 2011-04-29 16:17:36 <Kicchiri> I thought it only changes when new addresses are generated
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1523 2011-04-29 16:17:41 <JFK911> gotta save your coins
1524 2011-04-29 16:17:44 <Diablo-D3> it changes when they are sent and recieved.
1525 2011-04-29 16:17:50 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: the client keeps 100 addresses (maybe its 50, I think its 100) ready for use. Whenever it sends and there is some left over from the inputs it makes a new address (without telling you) it does that kind of thing quite often
1526 2011-04-29 16:17:51 <Impulss> lol sorry matt i dont know how to whisper :P
1527 2011-04-29 16:18:31 <BlueMatt> but the idea is you only have to backup once every 100 new addresses used
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1529 2011-04-29 16:18:42 <Kicchiri> Exactly, that is what I thought
1530 2011-04-29 16:18:55 <Diablo-D3> which is wrong
1531 2011-04-29 16:19:01 <Diablo-D3> you have to backup everytime you recieve coins.
1532 2011-04-29 16:19:02 <lfm> Kicchiri: you can tell from the getinfo "keypoololdest" value
1533 2011-04-29 16:19:10 <Impulss> I'm unsure how to get GUIMiner to use my second GPU. Is it even able to use it? or should i be using something else?
1534 2011-04-29 16:19:25 <BlueMatt> Impulss: GUI Miner? you mean the regular bitcoin client?
1535 2011-04-29 16:19:33 <Diablo-D3> he means poclbm /w the gui shit
1536 2011-04-29 16:19:35 <Impulss> i guess :S
1537 2011-04-29 16:19:44 <Kicchiri> okay, this is not funny now. I believed this and did *not* backup every time I received coins
1538 2011-04-29 16:19:45 <BlueMatt> ah, well I have no idea then
1539 2011-04-29 16:19:45 <Diablo-D3> I wish people would just switch over to mine
1540 2011-04-29 16:20:06 <mtrlt> Diablo-D3: i would if it worked well :P
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1542 2011-04-29 16:20:14 <Diablo-D3> mtrlt: it does.
1543 2011-04-29 16:20:18 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: ignore Diablo-D3 I dont know where he is coming from with this
1544 2011-04-29 16:20:19 <mtrlt> doesn't on mine :-)
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1547 2011-04-29 16:20:38 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: read the spec dude
1548 2011-04-29 16:20:44 <Diablo-D3> wallets contain the actual coin signatures
1549 2011-04-29 16:21:00 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: if you -rescan after restoring from a backup, you are fine
1550 2011-04-29 16:21:07 <BlueMatt> as long as you backup when it makes a new privkey
1551 2011-04-29 16:21:10 <Diablo-D3> you ONLY need to keep old address signatures if you intend to get more coins from those addresses
1552 2011-04-29 16:21:13 <lfm> Diablo-D3: yes but you can recreate those coin sigs with -rescan
1553 2011-04-29 16:21:16 <phantomcircuit> hmm someone tried to contact me
1554 2011-04-29 16:21:29 <Diablo-D3> lfm: IF you still have address private keys for the involved addresses
1555 2011-04-29 16:21:29 <phantomcircuit> genjix, was it you?
1556 2011-04-29 16:21:55 <phantomcircuit> or maybe it was tcatm ?
1557 2011-04-29 16:22:12 <lfm> Diablo-D3: and they come from the 100 spare
1558 2011-04-29 16:22:33 <Diablo-D3> lfm: assuming you havent ran past 100 in the mean time
1559 2011-04-29 16:22:42 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: bitcoind has a 100 key buffer
1560 2011-04-29 16:22:42 <lfm> right
1561 2011-04-29 16:22:46 <Kicchiri> I said I used less than 50 AFAIK
1562 2011-04-29 16:22:53 <Kicchiri> So it should be fine
1563 2011-04-29 16:23:17 <Diablo-D3> Kicchiri: doesnt effect you, then
1564 2011-04-29 16:23:23 <Kicchiri> Okay, so basically, if my ubuntu upgrade now fucks my wallet, I just decrypt from a backup and re-scan. Phew, that's less stressful. :)
1565 2011-04-29 16:23:33 <lfm> Kicchiri: you can tell from the getinfo "keypoololdest" value, can do date -d @(number from "keypoololdest")
1566 2011-04-29 16:24:31 <Diablo-D3> btw, every send runs the risk of creating a new address, right?
1567 2011-04-29 16:24:50 <lfm> yes, uses one for "change"
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1569 2011-04-29 16:26:14 <Diablo-D3> yeah, so as long as you havent created 100 addresses, where addresses is defined as { pressing the "new address" button, creating a new tx }, you should be fine
1570 2011-04-29 16:26:58 <lfm> or send 100 txn with cange returned
1571 2011-04-29 16:27:02 <BlueMatt> also receiving a tx can make a new address
1572 2011-04-29 16:27:14 <Diablo-D3> lfm: thats what I said
1573 2011-04-29 16:27:28 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: yeah, but that floats your incoming address back to the top of the list iirc
1574 2011-04-29 16:27:50 <Diablo-D3> so frequently used incoming addresses would never be lost
1575 2011-04-29 16:27:55 <BlueMatt> if you have received on all of them, it adds a new one irrc
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1577 2011-04-29 16:28:07 <lfm> if you receive on your current "default/new address" from gui, it will cycle next avail into current new addr
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1579 2011-04-29 16:28:23 <Diablo-D3> lfm: that isnt it
1580 2011-04-29 16:28:27 <Diablo-D3> like, pools and stuff
1581 2011-04-29 16:28:40 <Diablo-D3> the address you gave to the pool keeps being bumped to the top
1582 2011-04-29 16:29:19 <AmpEater2> ;;bc,gen 666000000
1583 2011-04-29 16:29:20 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 666000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 7253.9163671 BTC per day and 302.246515296 BTC per hour.
1584 2011-04-29 16:29:20 <lfm> the pool is a queue
1585 2011-04-29 16:29:46 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but isnt it reinserting used entries at the front of the queue?
1586 2011-04-29 16:30:09 <Diablo-D3> because the list should be sorted by distance of last block to use that in a tx
1587 2011-04-29 16:30:16 <Diablo-D3> its nonsensical to use it otherwise
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1589 2011-04-29 16:30:40 <lfm> I dont think so, it only inserts new unused ones. newaaddres commands take from the output end
1590 2011-04-29 16:31:21 <Diablo-D3> sounds like a bug then
1591 2011-04-29 16:31:31 <Diablo-D3> frequently used incoming addresses should never be purged
1592 2011-04-29 16:31:57 <BlueMatt> are addresses ever purged?
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1594 2011-04-29 16:32:09 <lfm> used address are saved, the pool is 100 future addrs
1595 2011-04-29 16:32:14 <Diablo-D3> ahh.
1596 2011-04-29 16:32:18 <Diablo-D3> then theres no issue
1597 2011-04-29 16:32:32 <Diablo-D3> actually, thats rather clever
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1599 2011-04-29 16:32:41 <lfm> now you get it
1600 2011-04-29 16:32:41 <Diablo-D3> you know what your future random addresses are
1601 2011-04-29 16:32:47 <lfm> ya
1602 2011-04-29 16:33:19 <Diablo-D3> Kicchiri: okay, as long as you havent manually created a new address, got a tx, or made a tx, 100 times, you should be fine
1603 2011-04-29 16:33:44 <lfm> so you could run a scam if people think newaddr is created right at the time of the command. you could knwo the next 100
1604 2011-04-29 16:34:20 <lfm> like betting on the next newaddr
1605 2011-04-29 16:34:31 <phantomcircuit> http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-lost-data-2011-4
1606 2011-04-29 16:34:33 <Kicchiri> Yea, that's what I thought when I started the update without doing a new backup. Just wanted to be certain now. Thanks :)
1607 2011-04-29 16:34:33 <phantomcircuit> lolllllllllllllllllllll
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1609 2011-04-29 16:42:16 <lfm> val=$(${bin}/bitcoind getinfo | grep poololdest)
1610 2011-04-29 16:42:19 <lfm> date -d @$(echo $val | cut -d ':' -f 2 | tr -d ', ')
1611 2011-04-29 16:43:25 <lfm> if date is after backup you need a new backup
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1613 2011-04-29 16:49:45 <sacarlson> the weeds exchange is almost ready at: http://exchange.surething.biz now selling weeds for 20 btc for 1 weeds
1614 2011-04-29 16:51:12 <lfm> sacarlson: you think youll get right on it? (your pregen coins worth $200,000?
1615 2011-04-29 16:51:22 <lfm> right -> rich
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1617 2011-04-29 16:53:10 <sacarlson> lfm: I have no idea but I'm also buying at 19.5 btc per weeds but only the maket will tell
1618 2011-04-29 16:53:56 <lfm> also known as just another fiat currency, but good luck to ya anyway
1619 2011-04-29 16:54:01 <sacarlson> any one left selling ?
1620 2011-04-29 16:54:38 <sacarlson> I was giving them away I was sure they would want to sell them back
1621 2011-04-29 16:55:05 <JFK911> sacarlson: what specific weeds
1622 2011-04-29 16:55:19 <JFK911> indoor? hydro?
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1624 2011-04-29 16:56:32 <Diablo-D3> how do you plan on letting other clients access the network?
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1627 2011-04-29 16:57:14 <lfm> JFK911: weeds is what he calls his coins
1628 2011-04-29 16:58:13 <btc_btc_btc> this is pretty slick. What is next?! https://www.instawallet.org/
1629 2011-04-29 16:58:45 <xelister> Aerocool PSUs are good? compared to Corsair, Chiftec?
1630 2011-04-29 16:58:50 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no.
1631 2011-04-29 16:58:56 <xelister> Diablo-D3: worse then thoes?
1632 2011-04-29 16:59:08 <sacarlson> JFK911: well the weeds I sell and buy are a chain transactable with the exchange or with https://github.com/sacarlson/bitcoin
1633 2011-04-29 16:59:08 <Diablo-D3> there are two types of PSUs in the world
1634 2011-04-29 16:59:12 <Diablo-D3> ones I or art would buy
1635 2011-04-29 16:59:15 <Diablo-D3> and ones that suck
1636 2011-04-29 16:59:23 <xelister> sure sure ;)
1637 2011-04-29 16:59:24 <lfm> xelister: aerocool == no name
1638 2011-04-29 16:59:35 <xelister> so which ones do you buy Diablo-D3, thoes Silencers and what else
1639 2011-04-29 16:59:56 <JFK911> sacarlson: i can't smoke chains. i think you have the wrong idea about what bitcoin is all about!
1640 2011-04-29 17:00:32 <sacarlson> JFK911: well with the 1 weeds I will deliver on demand
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1642 2011-04-29 17:01:01 <Diablo-D3> xelister: for years I was just buying silencers
1643 2011-04-29 17:01:04 * xelister pokes Diablo-D3's broken ass with a glove
1644 2011-04-29 17:01:13 <xelister> hmm but thoes Silencers are expensivver
1645 2011-04-29 17:01:15 <Diablo-D3> but then ocz bought it and made those shitty silencer mk IIs
1646 2011-04-29 17:01:20 <Diablo-D3> xelister: who carse
1647 2011-04-29 17:01:22 <JFK911> hm
1648 2011-04-29 17:01:23 <xelister> mk II s?
1649 2011-04-29 17:01:26 <Diablo-D3> you buy a psu once in an eternety
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1651 2011-04-29 17:01:29 <xelister> so not all Silencers are good??
1652 2011-04-29 17:01:41 <Diablo-D3> silencer mk IIs == ocz shit inside, uses a tell tale 120mm top fan
1653 2011-04-29 17:02:08 <Diablo-D3> silencer Is == original pc power silencers, have a standard 80mm in the back
1654 2011-04-29 17:02:10 <sacarlson> JFK911: I'm looking at bitcoin as a comodity equity bond trading platform
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1656 2011-04-29 17:02:18 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it's all complicated as fuck :<
1657 2011-04-29 17:02:27 * xelister ;'(
1658 2011-04-29 17:02:32 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no its not.
1659 2011-04-29 17:02:36 <Diablo-D3> I told you what to buy
1660 2011-04-29 17:02:39 <Diablo-D3> you just have to do it
1661 2011-04-29 17:02:44 <xelister> well
1662 2011-04-29 17:02:48 <Diablo-D3> Ive had my pc power silencer I for over 5 years
1663 2011-04-29 17:02:52 <Diablo-D3> THIS SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING
1664 2011-04-29 17:02:53 <xelister> I based on your "but Silencer"
1665 2011-04-29 17:03:02 <lfm> can you still get the old ones tho?
1666 2011-04-29 17:03:06 <xelister> *buy
1667 2011-04-29 17:03:08 <Diablo-D3> lfm: newegg has very little stock left
1668 2011-04-29 17:03:10 <JFK911> Diablo-D3: is anything burned inside it?
1669 2011-04-29 17:03:11 <Diablo-D3> whats left of them is it
1670 2011-04-29 17:03:12 <xelister> Diablo-D3: found 1000 W Silencer.
1671 2011-04-29 17:03:14 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: nope
1672 2011-04-29 17:03:18 <JFK911> neat
1673 2011-04-29 17:03:20 <Diablo-D3> xelister: probably a mk II
1674 2011-04-29 17:03:30 <JFK911> ive had typical chinee psu's last that long, but they looked pretty sad inside
1675 2011-04-29 17:03:40 <Diablo-D3> the caps are still solid looking and not leaking
1676 2011-04-29 17:03:43 <Diablo-D3> HUGE caps, I might add
1677 2011-04-29 17:03:47 <Diablo-D3> and theres no marks on anything
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1679 2011-04-29 17:03:53 <JFK911> too bad ppc died
1680 2011-04-29 17:03:55 <xelister> so mk II is bad?
1681 2011-04-29 17:03:58 <JFK911> i was going to buy one
1682 2011-04-29 17:03:58 <Diablo-D3> xelister: very
1683 2011-04-29 17:04:03 <xelister> and mk III ? I think they also exist
1684 2011-04-29 17:04:08 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: newegg still has a few silencer Is left
1685 2011-04-29 17:04:11 <Diablo-D3> buy them while you can
1686 2011-04-29 17:04:14 <Diablo-D3> once they go out, thats it
1687 2011-04-29 17:04:30 <Diablo-D3> and newegg still has that one gigantic 1200 turbocool
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1689 2011-04-29 17:04:49 <JFK911> my needs are in the 600watt range
1690 2011-04-29 17:04:54 <Diablo-D3> they have a 610
1691 2011-04-29 17:04:58 <JFK911> hm
1692 2011-04-29 17:05:00 <Diablo-D3> still in stock
1693 2011-04-29 17:05:03 <JFK911> wish they took bitcoins
1694 2011-04-29 17:05:05 * Diablo-D3 has a 610 himself
1695 2011-04-29 17:05:08 <Diablo-D3> its so sexy
1696 2011-04-29 17:05:20 <xelister> Diablo-D3: which /cheapest/ PSU for 5970 radeon PC from thoes: http://sklep.sferis.pl/kategoria/115-zasilanie/2-strona.html?o[1][Chieftec]=1
1697 2011-04-29 17:05:33 <xelister> on left you can swith to other companies
1698 2011-04-29 17:05:37 <xelister> *vendors
1699 2011-04-29 17:05:40 <Diablo-D3> xelister: which button makes it sort by price
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1701 2011-04-29 17:05:48 <JFK911> with an i7-950, 5870 and 5550 one of my machines sucks 375 watts
1702 2011-04-29 17:06:02 <JFK911> according to metering device
1703 2011-04-29 17:06:19 <JFK911> disks idle at less than 5 watts each so thats insignificant
1704 2011-04-29 17:06:24 <JFK911> fans take more power
1705 2011-04-29 17:06:27 <xelister> Diablo-D3: small "cena" on top
1706 2011-04-29 17:06:31 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: hrrrm sounds about right
1707 2011-04-29 17:06:41 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I cant tell what brands these are
1708 2011-04-29 17:07:02 <xelister> Diablo-D3: hm? brands are on the left side
1709 2011-04-29 17:07:14 <Diablo-D3> yeah but I only recognize like 1 of them
1710 2011-04-29 17:07:25 <Diablo-D3> well 2
1711 2011-04-29 17:07:31 <xelister> well dunno... this is what is available in pl
1712 2011-04-29 17:07:40 <Diablo-D3> poland sucks.
1713 2011-04-29 17:07:41 <xelister> which of thoes seems fine for low price?
1714 2011-04-29 17:07:45 <Diablo-D3> none of them
1715 2011-04-29 17:07:50 <Diablo-D3> they all look like chinese firecrackers
1716 2011-04-29 17:07:59 <xelister> what this means
1717 2011-04-29 17:08:07 <xelister> they will likelly broke and stop working?
1718 2011-04-29 17:08:10 <Diablo-D3> it means they blow up under load.
1719 2011-04-29 17:08:26 <xelister> seriously, so even Chiftec is shitty psu vendor?
1720 2011-04-29 17:08:31 <Diablo-D3> yes.
1721 2011-04-29 17:08:45 <xelister> of thoes vendors which is least shitty
1722 2011-04-29 17:08:50 <xelister> Chiftec or Crosair
1723 2011-04-29 17:09:03 <xelister> (or other perhaps)
1724 2011-04-29 17:09:09 <Diablo-D3> xelister: whats the biggest Corsair model they sell?
1725 2011-04-29 17:09:17 <Diablo-D3> xelister: any AX ones?
1726 2011-04-29 17:09:45 <xelister> wait..... only Chiftec's there.
1727 2011-04-29 17:10:00 <Diablo-D3> http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/29/4-trends-shaping-the-emerging-superfluid-economy/
1728 2011-04-29 17:10:03 <Diablo-D3> err
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1730 2011-04-29 17:10:08 <Diablo-D3> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2498076
1731 2011-04-29 17:10:10 <Diablo-D3> everyone mod that up
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1734 2011-04-29 17:10:47 <gjs278> I will view the story and if I find it relevant to the ycombinator interests I will vote accordingly!
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1736 2011-04-29 17:12:15 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: you will vote up to inflate the bitcoin bubble, damnit!
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1746 2011-04-29 17:27:04 <iS3RV4NT> Can someone explain exactly what the processor on my computer is computing and from where?
1747 2011-04-29 17:27:18 <BlueMatt> iS3RV4NT: do you have generate coins on?
1748 2011-04-29 17:27:26 <iS3RV4NT> YEs
1749 2011-04-29 17:27:58 <BlueMatt> well a. trying to generate coins on your cpu is pretty much worthless in that you _might_ get a block every couple years.
1750 2011-04-29 17:28:13 <BlueMatt> but what you are doing is sha256 hashes of block headers until they match a target
1751 2011-04-29 17:28:23 <BlueMatt> ie you are doing pointless work just to prove that you did work :)
1752 2011-04-29 17:28:43 <iS3RV4NT> So what is non-pointless work?
1753 2011-04-29 17:28:53 <iS3RV4NT> Err efficient work?
1754 2011-04-29 17:29:06 <BlueMatt> what do you mean?
1755 2011-04-29 17:29:17 <iS3RV4NT> time * effort = results
1756 2011-04-29 17:29:32 <iS3RV4NT> or time * effort = bitcoins
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1758 2011-04-29 17:29:39 <BlueMatt> bitcoins
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1760 2011-04-29 17:30:01 * ninjaneo secretley suspects some complex building of rainbowtables
1761 2011-04-29 17:30:24 <BlueMatt> ninjaneo: rainbowtables specifically of hashes starting with 00000....
1762 2011-04-29 17:30:33 * xelister pokes Diablo-D3
1763 2011-04-29 17:30:33 <ninjaneo> ;p
1764 2011-04-29 17:30:51 * BlueMatt suspects this is all a plot to try to find something who's hash is 000000000000000000000
1765 2011-04-29 17:31:11 <ninjaneo> ah, that would be an interesting one
1766 2011-04-29 17:31:14 <BlueMatt> just to prove it can be done
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1768 2011-04-29 17:31:27 <iS3RV4NT> This really just sounds like a way to grab up processor time and work on the net.
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1771 2011-04-29 17:31:46 <ninjaneo> maybe its putting a value on cpu cycles
1772 2011-04-29 17:31:52 <xelister> 650 W Chieftec, will it hold: one 5970 + 1 core cpu + 1 memory block. should not explode? http://www.komputronik.pl/product/93156/Sprzet_komputerowy/Podzespoly_PC/Chieftec_CFT_650_14CS_650W.html
1773 2011-04-29 17:31:54 <BlueMatt> iS3RV4NT: the point is that you have to work hard to generate a block so that people can't double-spend
1774 2011-04-29 17:32:13 <iS3RV4NT> I don't work at all, the computer does
1775 2011-04-29 17:32:24 <BlueMatt> iS3RV4NT: I suggest listening to the omegatau podcast on bitcoin
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1777 2011-04-29 17:32:26 <Diablo-D3> xelister: what
1778 2011-04-29 17:32:31 <BlueMatt> with gavin (the lead dev)
1779 2011-04-29 17:32:43 <BlueMatt> and evangelist
1780 2011-04-29 17:32:49 <Diablo-D3> xelister: thats 650 peak not constant
1781 2011-04-29 17:32:49 <iS3RV4NT> I'll have to look into it.
1782 2011-04-29 17:33:03 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I know it sucks cocks, but its only thing I have here it turns out
1783 2011-04-29 17:33:08 <xelister> will it work, or will it catch fire?
1784 2011-04-29 17:34:05 <jaromil> wait a sec, if it sucks cocks it mustn't be so bad
1785 2011-04-29 17:34:06 <xelister> is it ok to power computer/mobo/cpu/mem/hdd and all from 1 PSU, and the radeon 8peg + 6peg FROM ANOTHER PSU ??? bot PSU connected to same power line. Is it 100% sure it will not demage cards?
1786 2011-04-29 17:34:09 <Diablo-D3> it'll catch fire.
1787 2011-04-29 17:34:19 <xelister> Diablo-D3: the 650 ?
1788 2011-04-29 17:34:25 <Diablo-D3> everything ever forever.
1789 2011-04-29 17:34:36 <xelister> uhm
1790 2011-04-29 17:34:38 <xelister> wat?
1791 2011-04-29 17:34:45 <jaromil> be it gay or straight, oral sex isn't bad cmon
1792 2011-04-29 17:34:46 <xelister> what about the 2 PSU setup? is it safe?
1793 2011-04-29 17:35:05 <jaromil> i think you pissed him on the oral sex bad metaphore
1794 2011-04-29 17:35:18 <ninjaneo> lol
1795 2011-04-29 17:35:23 <noagendamarket> its a trap :)
1796 2011-04-29 17:35:28 <ninjaneo> HEY ILL PAY IT TO SUCK MINE
1797 2011-04-29 17:35:37 <Diablo-D3> btc for sex. lawlz.
1798 2011-04-29 17:35:39 <jaromil> ahahahahaha
1799 2011-04-29 17:36:08 <jaromil> mmmm, i have to check by the prostitution union here in amsterdam :D
1800 2011-04-29 17:36:18 <jaromil> i know some people there!
1801 2011-04-29 17:36:18 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: YES
1802 2011-04-29 17:36:22 <Diablo-D3> I bet you do.
1803 2011-04-29 17:36:24 <Diablo-D3> >_>
1804 2011-04-29 17:36:24 <jaromil> ok keep you posted
1805 2011-04-29 17:36:27 <ninjaneo> lol
1806 2011-04-29 17:37:47 <BlueMatt> ;;seen sirius
1807 2011-04-29 17:37:47 <gribble> sirius was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 14 hours, 52 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <sirius> the mysql was very slow when I tested it in 2009
1808 2011-04-29 17:38:33 <phantomcircuit> jaromil, if you can convince them to accept btc that will guarantee the commodities future :P
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1810 2011-04-29 17:39:44 <jaromil> phantomcircuit: unfortunately prohibitionsm is getting on big time here too. but well i guess the redlight stays longer than the coffee shops
1811 2011-04-29 17:40:42 <phantomcircuit> how can anybody have a problem with sex and pot ? :(
1812 2011-04-29 17:42:06 <BlueMatt> jaromil: whats up with autotools+mingw xcompiling?
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1814 2011-04-29 17:43:58 <jaromil> BlueMatt: no progress so far. had to work for other currencies :P but well the main problem resides in paths to compiled dependencies
1815 2011-04-29 17:44:27 <BlueMatt> I suppose that is all Im really asking about as Id like to be able to use that when it gets merged
1816 2011-04-29 17:44:35 <BlueMatt> other currencies?
1817 2011-04-29 17:44:52 <jaromil> yea, like those i can use to buy groceries and electricity :P
1818 2011-04-29 17:45:17 <BlueMatt> oh, legacy currencies ok
1819 2011-04-29 17:45:23 <BlueMatt> ;)
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1821 2011-04-29 17:47:03 <AmpEater2> legacy currencies, awesome
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1823 2011-04-29 17:49:00 <jaromil> phantomcircuit: those who make big bucks by prohibiting something that will happen anyway in black market, for instance
1824 2011-04-29 17:50:35 <phantomcircuit> jaromil, aren't pimps illegal?
1825 2011-04-29 17:50:56 <jaromil> not here. pimps aren't gangsters, but unions in the best case
1826 2011-04-29 17:51:23 <phantomcircuit> interesting
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1828 2011-04-29 17:51:58 <jaromil> things are kept clean, also health insurance and regular controls are given to sex workers
1829 2011-04-29 17:53:44 <jaromil> phantomcircuit: some more info are here http://www.rodedraad.nl
1830 2011-04-29 17:54:02 <jaromil> but it only in dutch
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1833 2011-04-29 17:54:36 <phantomcircuit> jaromil, sounds like germany except without any street walkers
1834 2011-04-29 17:55:10 <phantomcircuit> jaromil, lol @ I <3 sex button
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1836 2011-04-29 17:56:22 <jaromil> dutch lang is actually way easier than german, its grammar is easier
1837 2011-04-29 17:56:50 <jaromil> oh no they have tons of translation wait a sec
1838 2011-04-29 17:56:54 <jaromil> sry i missed the button
1839 2011-04-29 17:56:55 <phantomcircuit> no i meant the prostitution business
1840 2011-04-29 17:58:54 <jaromil> ack yea in .de or .at is also kindof legal, but still more marginalised
1841 2011-04-29 18:00:00 <phantomcircuit> well there's pretty obvious prostitutes in hamburg
1842 2011-04-29 18:00:20 <jaromil> re pimps here they have pimpfree zones lol
1843 2011-04-29 18:00:23 <phantomcircuit> they're all from Ukraine and stuff, it feels sketchy
1844 2011-04-29 18:00:39 <jaromil> http://rodedraad.nl/other-languages/english/pimpfree-action.html
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1847 2011-04-29 18:02:30 <jaromil> ppl who resort to selling sex are either rly addicted to it or rly poor. the latter is a turn off, leaving aside all kinds of humanitarian concerns.
1848 2011-04-29 18:02:55 <Diablo-D3> well
1849 2011-04-29 18:03:02 <Diablo-D3> humans ARE addicted to it, by definition
1850 2011-04-29 18:03:22 <Diablo-D3> it releases endorphins, which, until the 20th century, were the most addictive drugs ever discovered
1851 2011-04-29 18:03:43 <xelister> guys? so to summ up, is it ok to power the Radeon 5970 card's EXTRA POWER SUPPLY (PCI-Express card, that takes 12V 320W as 6 and 8 pin PEG connector) from PSU#1, and the rest of computer (the mobo that has Radeon5970 in its Pci-Express, and has CPU etc, and hard-drive) from PSU#2? Both PSUs are connected to the same exact power line, if it helps
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1853 2011-04-29 18:04:25 <BlueMatt> xelister: yes, if you force the psu that isnt on the mobo to on
1854 2011-04-29 18:04:38 <BlueMatt> by manually connecting the green pins on the 20-pin connector
1855 2011-04-29 18:04:43 <lfm> xelister: if you f it up you will die, you are playing with electricity, we cannt promise you that you wont make a mistake
1856 2011-04-29 18:04:47 <Diablo-D3> or use one of the cross over connectors for it
1857 2011-04-29 18:05:03 <BlueMatt> ok, well that is effectively the same too
1858 2011-04-29 18:05:33 <xelister> BlueMatt: just connect 2 pins, or it must be done via resistor?
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1860 2011-04-29 18:05:48 <BlueMatt> xelister: Ive used a paperclip before so...
1861 2011-04-29 18:05:53 <BurtyB> effectively except with the cable they turn on/off together :)
1862 2011-04-29 18:06:37 <BlueMatt> ok in that case, xelister if you can take out the green and one black from the 20-in not on the mobo and connect it to the mobo in the same spot
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1864 2011-04-29 18:08:36 <xelister> BlueMatt: thanks
1865 2011-04-29 18:08:39 * xelister loads soltering gun
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1867 2011-04-29 18:08:51 <BlueMatt> shouldnt need that but ok
1868 2011-04-29 18:08:54 <xelister> ArtForz: hi
1869 2011-04-29 18:09:07 <xelister> ArtForz: you used 2 PSUs in one box right? I'm trying same thing =)
1870 2011-04-29 18:09:11 <jaromil> Diablo-D3: i think you are right about sex addiction. is just the fuckup of human trafficking i was thinking of, and that exists because of making prostitution illegal
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1872 2011-04-29 18:09:20 <hacim> how can I turn off the debug.log?
1873 2011-04-29 18:09:30 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: exactly
1874 2011-04-29 18:09:33 <hacim> its getting a bit large
1875 2011-04-29 18:09:35 <Diablo-D3> its all because of the catholic church.
1876 2011-04-29 18:09:44 <Diablo-D3> they rape little boys and young women.
1877 2011-04-29 18:10:37 <lfm> I dont think they restrict themselves to little boys and young women
1878 2011-04-29 18:10:46 <Diablo-D3> you know what I mean though
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1880 2011-04-29 18:11:36 <xelister> jaromil: correct
1881 2011-04-29 18:11:59 <xelister> jaromil: in JP delegalizing porn hugelly incrase rape rate
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1883 2011-04-29 18:12:44 <jaromil> ouch :(
1884 2011-04-29 18:13:13 <xelister> and we all known what delegalized alcohol lead to
1885 2011-04-29 18:13:36 <lfm> delegalizing? is that like outlawing?
1886 2011-04-29 18:14:00 <xelister> yea
1887 2011-04-29 18:14:36 <jaromil> took me a while to get it. it's an interesting linguistic construction :)
1888 2011-04-29 18:15:04 <Diablo-D3> I think a better term would be "illegalizing'
1889 2011-04-29 18:15:18 <lfm> yup, some non native english speakers here perhaps
1890 2011-04-29 18:15:28 <Diablo-D3> it has the right amount of "fuck you" to it
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1892 2011-04-29 18:16:04 <xelister> ;)
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1900 2011-04-29 18:20:39 <sacarlson> sorry my dns wasn't setup before http://exchange.surething.biz/ I'm still not sure it works
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1902 2011-04-29 18:21:41 <sacarlson> my first interface from web to bitcoind
1903 2011-04-29 18:22:10 <lfm> well actually to weedcoind?
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1905 2011-04-29 18:22:53 <sacarlson> lfm: well it uses my multi net client works with more than just weeds
1906 2011-04-29 18:23:14 <lfm> oh ok ya
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1908 2011-04-29 18:24:05 <sacarlson> it uses my https://github.com/sacarlson/bitcoin client
1909 2011-04-29 18:24:41 <sacarlson> weeds uses port 38333 with IRC bootstrap on #weeds on freenode
1910 2011-04-29 18:26:16 <xelister> PSU: ATX12V v2.2 Another minor revision. Added 8-pin connector for PCIe graphics cards, that delivers another 150 watts.
1911 2011-04-29 18:26:32 <xelister> can I use PSU ATX12V 2.1 ?
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1913 2011-04-29 18:26:45 <Diablo-D3> the new revisions mean shit
1914 2011-04-29 18:26:57 <xelister> well it has 6-pin black connector
1915 2011-04-29 18:27:03 <xelister> and an 8 pin WHITE connectors
1916 2011-04-29 18:27:15 <xelister> this 8 pin white shit can be as well used as 8-PEG for radeon?
1917 2011-04-29 18:27:25 <Diablo-D3> color doesnt matter
1918 2011-04-29 18:27:32 <xelister> nigger plase
1919 2011-04-29 18:27:32 <Diablo-D3> just make sure its an pci-e plug and not a p8 plug
1920 2011-04-29 18:27:33 <xelister> =)
1921 2011-04-29 18:27:42 <xelister> how p8 plug looks like
1922 2011-04-29 18:27:49 <Diablo-D3> they all look alike
1923 2011-04-29 18:27:54 <xelister> or another way, if it "fits" into the radeon then it is ok to use it?
1924 2011-04-29 18:28:01 <lfm> ya there is 8 pin mb and 8 pin pcie and Im not sure if theyre the same
1925 2011-04-29 18:28:11 <Diablo-D3> p8 plug == 8 pin plugs that look like the p4 plugs
1926 2011-04-29 18:28:21 <Diablo-D3> p8 is basically a double wide p4
1927 2011-04-29 18:28:37 <Diablo-D3> they're rare on consumer psus
1928 2011-04-29 18:28:40 <Diablo-D3> and consumer mobos
1929 2011-04-29 18:28:57 <Diablo-D3> most of the consumer mobos that need that usually have a 6 or 8 pin pcie plug instead
1930 2011-04-29 18:29:13 <Diablo-D3> (and most mobos dont have anything but a p4 for an aux plug)
1931 2011-04-29 18:29:24 <lfm> ya theyre often on mb with a cover over half that seems to indicate theyre not needed
1932 2011-04-29 18:30:11 <xelister> fuck it doesnt fit
1933 2011-04-29 18:30:20 <Diablo-D3> its funny as hell
1934 2011-04-29 18:30:23 <Diablo-D3> we started with 20 pin atx
1935 2011-04-29 18:30:30 <Diablo-D3> then they added 4 more pins for 12v, -> 24 pins
1936 2011-04-29 18:30:39 <Diablo-D3> then they added the P4 plug for Pentium 4s
1937 2011-04-29 18:30:48 <Diablo-D3> then a P8 plug (or multiple P4s) for multisocket boards
1938 2011-04-29 18:30:57 <Diablo-D3> and then they added the pci-e plugs
1939 2011-04-29 18:31:05 <BlueMatt> now they use P8 on single-socket boards
1940 2011-04-29 18:31:07 <Diablo-D3> and there exists a 4 pin pci-e plug... you will NEVER see it
1941 2011-04-29 18:31:09 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: no
1942 2011-04-29 18:31:12 <Diablo-D3> depends on the board
1943 2011-04-29 18:31:16 <BlueMatt> mine does
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1945 2011-04-29 18:31:23 <Diablo-D3> a lot have a p4 + a 6 or 8 pin pci-e if they need it
1946 2011-04-29 18:31:30 <Diablo-D3> instead of a p8
1947 2011-04-29 18:31:33 <BlueMatt> mine has P8
1948 2011-04-29 18:31:39 <BlueMatt> for a single 1366 socket
1949 2011-04-29 18:31:52 <Diablo-D3> but the hilarity is
1950 2011-04-29 18:31:54 <Diablo-D3> a 4 pin pci-e
1951 2011-04-29 18:31:55 <Diablo-D3> it exists
1952 2011-04-29 18:32:01 <Diablo-D3> you will NEVER EVER SEE IT
1953 2011-04-29 18:32:11 <Diablo-D3> its in the spec
1954 2011-04-29 18:35:08 <xelister> fuck it doesnt fit :<
1955 2011-04-29 18:35:12 <xelister> blargh.
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1958 2011-04-29 18:37:29 <JackRabiit> luke-jr: HEY LUKE!, why do you have your own slot on the bitcoin total hashrate? lol, have you started your own pool?
1959 2011-04-29 18:37:45 <JackRabiit> http://bitcoinwatch.com/
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1961 2011-04-29 18:38:01 <BlueMatt> JackRabiit: yes, its a new pool
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1964 2011-04-29 18:41:08 <JackRabiit> Huh what BlueMatt is here?
1965 2011-04-29 18:41:14 <JackRabiit> why isnt he on the list
1966 2011-04-29 18:41:28 Netsniper has joined
1967 2011-04-29 18:41:29 <BlueMatt> op now :)
1968 2011-04-29 18:41:55 <lfm> anonymous miners
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1970 2011-04-29 18:42:43 <BlueMatt> When did we get a 4th pool (btcmine)?
1971 2011-04-29 18:43:03 <lfm> 8th pool 4 have shut down?
1972 2011-04-29 18:43:17 <BlueMatt> what 4?
1973 2011-04-29 18:43:27 <lfm> puddinpos?
1974 2011-04-29 18:43:38 <BlueMatt> the one that paid per share, puddinpop's...?
1975 2011-04-29 18:43:54 <lfm> and 3 others I dont remember
1976 2011-04-29 18:44:53 <BlueMatt> I suppose i just dont pay attention to mining enough
1977 2011-04-29 18:46:02 <ninjaneo> as for the "pay by share" approach, wouldn't it be possible to keep the "good hashes" for yourself, and still report all your meta hashes? to keep what you make + take a cut of what others submit? it seems flawed
1978 2011-04-29 18:46:22 <lfm> then there was that pool where that guy was paying miners in dollars (he didnt tell them it was bitcoin at all)
1979 2011-04-29 18:46:50 <BlueMatt> ninjaneo: no that wont work, you have to decide who gets the payment when you start mining
1980 2011-04-29 18:47:04 <ninjaneo> ah =)
1981 2011-04-29 18:47:09 <lfm> ninjaneo: yes, that will screww the pool administrator but it doesnt really benifit the cheater
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1983 2011-04-29 18:47:44 <ninjaneo> i'm sure you'd stick out as having a vastly different success rate too
1984 2011-04-29 18:48:21 <luke-jr> JackRabiit: pool
1985 2011-04-29 18:48:22 <lfm> ya if you play long enuf, of course you might just switch accounts so its not obvious
1986 2011-04-29 18:48:42 <ninjaneo> ah. yeah I think i'll avoid pools/banks/brokers
1987 2011-04-29 18:48:57 <luke-jr> who is btcmine? :/
1988 2011-04-29 18:49:06 <lfm> ninjaneo: I agree, I dont like pools for myself either
1989 2011-04-29 18:49:06 <luke-jr> they started a new pool and got bigger than me already? :|
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1995 2011-04-29 18:54:44 <bk128> luke-jr: whats your site?
1996 2011-04-29 18:54:59 <luke-jr> bk128: no site
1997 2011-04-29 18:55:04 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6667.0;all
1998 2011-04-29 18:55:05 <bk128> private pool?
1999 2011-04-29 18:55:43 fimp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2000 2011-04-29 18:56:21 <BlueMatt> no-registration-required pool
2001 2011-04-29 18:56:28 <luke-jr> bk128: ^
2002 2011-04-29 18:57:07 <bk128> luke-jr: no donation fees like slush?
2003 2011-04-29 18:57:28 <BlueMatt> bk128: "Pool keeps all transaction fees to itself, plus 0.00000001 BTC per second since last-found block."
2004 2011-04-29 18:57:41 <citiz3n> very small fee it seems
2005 2011-04-29 18:57:50 <BlueMatt> yep
2006 2011-04-29 18:57:55 <bk128> I'll put a 5870 on it later today.
2007 2011-04-29 18:58:23 <bk128> I have 8 newegg boxes and 3 computers to build now :) later
2008 2011-04-29 18:58:37 * ninjaneo looks jealous
2009 2011-04-29 18:59:09 <BlueMatt> lucky bastard
2010 2011-04-29 18:59:17 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: how many blocks have you found?
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2013 2011-04-29 19:01:57 <warpi> does someone have a irc-bot that can be programmed to send a message to the channel when a new "all time high" have been reached? (BTC/USD)
2014 2011-04-29 19:02:14 <BlueMatt> nanotube probably could with gribble
2015 2011-04-29 19:02:25 <BlueMatt> but preferably not on -dev, only on -otc
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2017 2011-04-29 19:03:16 <lfm> warpi it might spam cuz a lot of new "all time highs" can occur quickly
2018 2011-04-29 19:03:32 <BlueMatt> time-limited would work fine
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2020 2011-04-29 19:04:09 <BlueMatt> (assuming nanotube feels like implementing that)
2021 2011-04-29 19:04:22 <lfm> ya limit to 1/minute or something might be ok
2022 2011-04-29 19:04:37 <luke-jr> it would also need to pay attention to the volumes
2023 2011-04-29 19:05:20 <x5x> sigh... mtgox withdraw is vuln to csrf -__-
2024 2011-04-29 19:05:23 <warpi> lfm, sure... but limit to 1 time / minute then :)
2025 2011-04-29 19:05:25 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: how many blocks have yofound?
2026 2011-04-29 19:05:28 <warpi> it will be fun to watch :)
2027 2011-04-29 19:05:33 <warpi> i can make popcorn :)
2028 2011-04-29 19:05:34 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: 5 so far
2029 2011-04-29 19:05:42 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I'm about to upgrade the pool script
2030 2011-04-29 19:05:48 <BlueMatt> x5x: tell MagicalTux about it
2031 2011-04-29 19:05:50 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6667.msg99643#msg99643
2032 2011-04-29 19:06:12 <luke-jr> it's kinda scary though⦠50 lines of code in ver 1 to 300 for ver 2
2033 2011-04-29 19:06:20 <luke-jr> 6 times the complexity
2034 2011-04-29 19:06:29 <BlueMatt> why?
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2037 2011-04-29 19:06:53 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it calculates balances and other crazy stuff
2038 2011-04-29 19:07:02 <BlueMatt> x5x: also, generally dont tell the world about security vulns in software unless the maintainer has been informed and has had time to respond :)
2039 2011-04-29 19:07:20 <x5x> yea im too lazy for responsible disclosure
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2043 2011-04-29 19:10:26 <warpi> anyone have a tip of how to make a irc bot? last time i did it i was using mirc on windows :)
2044 2011-04-29 19:10:29 <warpi> now im on ubuntu
2045 2011-04-29 19:11:00 <BlueMatt> I believe gribble is based on a framework...
2046 2011-04-29 19:11:02 <luke-jr> everyone uses Supybot now
2047 2011-04-29 19:11:07 <BlueMatt> that one
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2049 2011-04-29 19:13:10 <phantomcircuit> x5x, oh wow...
2050 2011-04-29 19:13:37 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, lol i wrote one in c++ with boost
2051 2011-04-29 19:13:40 <phantomcircuit> it was loverly
2052 2011-04-29 19:13:51 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: but could you upgrade it without reconnecting? ;)
2053 2011-04-29 19:13:53 <lianj> luke-jr: only snakes ;)
2054 2011-04-29 19:14:09 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, actually yes, i used a bnc
2055 2011-04-29 19:14:38 <phantomcircuit> i know someone who wrote a php bot that could be upgraded w/o reconnecting
2056 2011-04-29 19:14:47 <phantomcircuit> it would quickly use up all available ram
2057 2011-04-29 19:14:50 <luke-jr> that's cheating
2058 2011-04-29 19:15:08 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i could probably have done so if i used modules
2059 2011-04-29 19:15:44 <phantomcircuit> which wouldn't have been that challenging, it was all event driven anyways, so moving to a system of event registration from modules (like how xchat does it) wouldn't ahve been that hard
2060 2011-04-29 19:15:54 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: it's fun to write all your state info to a file, set your fds to NOT close-on-exec, and re-exec the new version (which loads the state from the file)
2061 2011-04-29 19:16:00 <nanotube> warpi: the plugin to ping mtgox ticker every minute and msg on alltime high would be trivial to make. if you make it, i might load it on gribble. :)
2062 2011-04-29 19:16:04 <phantomcircuit> unfortunately i only have the irc line parser i wrote the rest is lost to the winds
2063 2011-04-29 19:16:19 <nanotube> personally i don't see much use... people can just run ,,bc,mtgox themselves.
2064 2011-04-29 19:16:50 <warpi> nanotube, sweet... what language does gribble use?
2065 2011-04-29 19:16:57 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, did you see what x5x said about csrf and withdrawing from mtgox?
2066 2011-04-29 19:17:02 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.749,"low":2.21,"vol":46157,"buy":2.52,"sell":2.7392,"last":2.52}}
2067 2011-04-29 19:17:10 <x5x> phantomcircuit, i PMed him, no reply :/
2068 2011-04-29 19:17:12 <nanotube> warpi: python. it's a supybot.
2069 2011-04-29 19:17:17 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: he as a gribble later tell waiting, no need to keep talking about it
2070 2011-04-29 19:17:31 <phantomcircuit> fair enough
2071 2011-04-29 19:17:31 <nanotube> phantomcircuit: what's a csrf?
2072 2011-04-29 19:17:43 <phantomcircuit> nanotube, magic
2073 2011-04-29 19:17:52 <lianj> ^^
2074 2011-04-29 19:18:02 <jlewis> cross site request forgery
2075 2011-04-29 19:18:07 <warpi> nanotube, but gribble already knows the rate, correct?
2076 2011-04-29 19:18:35 <warpi> so just inserting a variable called all_time_high, and a if statement + a last_time_all_high would do it
2077 2011-04-29 19:19:02 <warpi> nanotube, could i get the source of gribble or how do i make plugins?
2078 2011-04-29 19:20:12 <nanotube> jlewis: ah ic tx :)
2079 2011-04-29 19:20:39 <nanotube> warpi: yes it does...
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2081 2011-04-29 19:23:08 <nanotube> warpi: gribble is all foss. core code is at ,,boturl and bitcoin-related stuff is at ,,(whatis #bitcoin-otc code)
2082 2011-04-29 19:23:08 <gribble> Source code to gribble's bitcoin-related plugins: https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor
2083 2011-04-29 19:23:09 <gribble> The bot's webpage is http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
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2085 2011-04-29 19:23:34 <warpi> thx
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2087 2011-04-29 19:29:08 <phantomcircuit> on a totally unrelated note look at the kittens! http://covertinferno.org/~phantomcircuit/kittens.html !!!!!
2088 2011-04-29 19:30:46 <warpi> nanotube, i cant find where the bot outputs to the irc channel?
2089 2011-04-29 19:30:46 <warpi> https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor
2090 2011-04-29 19:30:53 <xelister> phantomcircuit your link is attempt to trick user to exploit mtgox
2091 2011-04-29 19:31:12 <xelister> your link redirects to http://mtgox.com/code/withdraw.php and tries to do some shit there ;)
2092 2011-04-29 19:31:16 <xelister> admins, banhammer? ;)
2093 2011-04-29 19:31:28 <x5x> lol
2094 2011-04-29 19:31:30 <phantomcircuit> xelister, OH SNAP YOU SAW THROUGH MY KITTENS MASQUERADE!
2095 2011-04-29 19:31:38 <xelister> I also may eaten them
2096 2011-04-29 19:31:40 <edcba> error not logged in
2097 2011-04-29 19:31:41 <edcba> damn
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2099 2011-04-29 19:32:17 <x5x> at least hes only trying to get 1 btc
2100 2011-04-29 19:32:33 <phantomcircuit> x5x, it wont go through unless you have the amount
2101 2011-04-29 19:32:42 <phantomcircuit> i could trivially change it to take everything though
2102 2011-04-29 19:32:46 <x5x> yea
2103 2011-04-29 19:32:47 <edcba> can't you do that in a frame ?
2104 2011-04-29 19:32:48 <phantomcircuit> although ill leave that step to the imagination
2105 2011-04-29 19:32:52 <x5x> edcba, eya
2106 2011-04-29 19:32:53 <ninjaneo> hahaha
2107 2011-04-29 19:32:54 <phantomcircuit> edcba, lulz
2108 2011-04-29 19:32:55 <ninjaneo> kittens
2109 2011-04-29 19:32:55 <x5x> it could be totally invisible to teh user
2110 2011-04-29 19:33:02 * edcba has a post to do in forum...
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2112 2011-04-29 19:33:28 <x5x> sigh, i guess ill email wats his face
2113 2011-04-29 19:33:43 <phantomcircuit> lol i like the person who used curl
2114 2011-04-29 19:33:47 <phantomcircuit> coward!
2115 2011-04-29 19:33:47 <x5x> that was me
2116 2011-04-29 19:33:53 <edcba> lol
2117 2011-04-29 19:33:59 <ninjaneo> i was just about to wget it
2118 2011-04-29 19:33:59 <ninjaneo> lol
2119 2011-04-29 19:34:11 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: do you have a Python validateaddress?
2120 2011-04-29 19:34:28 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, nope
2121 2011-04-29 19:34:35 <x5x> does irc count as "active explotation in the wild" ? :P
2122 2011-04-29 19:34:42 <phantomcircuit> ps if i actually do steal anybodies funds ill do my best to return them
2123 2011-04-29 19:34:52 <edcba> maybe it was just lending
2124 2011-04-29 19:35:07 <phantomcircuit> lol
2125 2011-04-29 19:35:08 <nanotube> warpi: every line that does irc.reply(...) or irc.error(....) outputs something to irc.
2126 2011-04-29 19:35:21 <ninjaneo> lol what about some type of pam based plugin
2127 2011-04-29 19:35:25 <nanotube> warpi: see also ,,(whatis #supybot resources) that has docs and links to more docs.
2128 2011-04-29 19:35:25 <gribble> Here's a nice page of supybot resources: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gribble/index.php?title=Supybot_Resources || Please join us if you would like to help!
2129 2011-04-29 19:35:39 <ninjaneo> to prevent such "accidental" transactinos
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2131 2011-04-29 19:37:11 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, what? you just put a random token in the form that corresponds with one in the session
2132 2011-04-29 19:38:03 <ninjaneo> oh its xss
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2134 2011-04-29 19:38:36 <x5x> ninjaneo, its not xss, its csrf
2135 2011-04-29 19:38:42 <ninjaneo> lol
2136 2011-04-29 19:39:01 <x5x> just emailed mtgox how to fix it, lets see how long it takes
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2139 2011-04-29 19:40:15 <fabianhjr> Sup?
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2141 2011-04-29 19:41:05 <edcba> it's not an easy fix
2142 2011-04-29 19:41:11 <x5x> actualyl its relaly ez
2143 2011-04-29 19:41:21 <edcba> yes in theory
2144 2011-04-29 19:41:27 <x5x> no, in code, its like a 1 liner
2145 2011-04-29 19:41:27 gruez_away is now known as gruez
2146 2011-04-29 19:41:27 <edcba> still a lot of code
2147 2011-04-29 19:41:31 <edcba> ?
2148 2011-04-29 19:41:33 <edcba> how ?
2149 2011-04-29 19:41:44 <ninjaneo> yeah how =o
2150 2011-04-29 19:41:57 <x5x> respond bad if header['X-Requested-With'] != 'XMLHttpRequest'
2151 2011-04-29 19:42:11 <ninjaneo> meh bad fix
2152 2011-04-29 19:42:17 <x5x> that will get to like "safe enuf"
2153 2011-04-29 19:42:22 <ninjaneo> lol
2154 2011-04-29 19:42:27 <x5x> ninjaneo, explain why its bad
2155 2011-04-29 19:42:32 <x5x> ill give u a bitcoin if u get it right
2156 2011-04-29 19:42:48 <ninjaneo> because people supply the http headers themselves
2157 2011-04-29 19:42:51 <x5x> wrong
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2159 2011-04-29 19:42:56 <x5x> not in cross domain XHRs
2160 2011-04-29 19:43:02 <x5x> u cant do cross domain XHRs
2161 2011-04-29 19:43:06 <ninjaneo> you should really provide a one time token
2162 2011-04-29 19:43:11 <x5x> yea thats the 100% fix
2163 2011-04-29 19:43:17 <x5x> but checkign that header covers like 99.9% of sitautions
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2165 2011-04-29 19:43:34 <ninjaneo> yeah but what if they open a socket
2166 2011-04-29 19:43:37 <x5x> flash DID have a bug a month ago that got around that, but its been patched
2167 2011-04-29 19:43:41 <x5x> ninjaneo, u cant open cross domain socket
2168 2011-04-29 19:43:50 <ninjaneo> websockets?
2169 2011-04-29 19:43:56 <x5x> ninjaneo, they follow same origin policy
2170 2011-04-29 19:43:59 <x5x> so u cant open them to whever u want
2171 2011-04-29 19:44:03 <x5x> unless the site specifically allows it
2172 2011-04-29 19:44:32 <ninjaneo> hm.... I'm pretty sure I've seen javascript client for irc
2173 2011-04-29 19:44:40 <x5x> yea, it connects back to the site its hosted on
2174 2011-04-29 19:44:41 <ninjaneo> that made its own connection
2175 2011-04-29 19:44:42 <x5x> to proxy thru
2176 2011-04-29 19:44:43 <ninjaneo> na
2177 2011-04-29 19:44:45 <ninjaneo> not through site
2178 2011-04-29 19:44:51 <ninjaneo> well now i have to go look
2179 2011-04-29 19:44:53 <x5x> or to anotehr site which had a cross domain polciy set which allowed it
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2181 2011-04-29 19:47:03 <warpi> nanotube, i suppose it is in this file we shall put the "all time high" script?
2182 2011-04-29 19:47:03 <warpi> https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/blob/master/MtgoxMonitor/plugin.py
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2187 2011-04-29 19:51:34 <ninjatest> ninjaneo looses
2188 2011-04-29 19:51:56 <ninjaneo> =(
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2190 2011-04-29 19:52:13 <ninjaneo> allow me to send you a bitcoin good sir lol
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2192 2011-04-29 19:52:45 <nanotube> warpi: nope... that plugin is no longer used even. juts make a fresh plugin, modeled on a mixture of mtgoxmonitor and marketmonitor, that pings the mtgox quote, and stores the current alltimehigh in a txt file.
2193 2011-04-29 19:52:50 <BitterTea> Hey guys... I have an issue. I sent some coins to a faucet address, but the transaction appears stuck. I even included a .01 BTC fee. Any ideas?
2194 2011-04-29 19:53:00 <BitterTea> Err, ClearCoin, not faucet
2195 2011-04-29 19:53:06 <nanotube> warpi: but really, there are probably more useful things you could help me out with, if you're up for it. :)
2196 2011-04-29 19:53:22 <nanotube> BitterTea: does it show up on bbe/
2197 2011-04-29 19:53:26 <BitterTea> NOpe
2198 2011-04-29 19:53:30 <nanotube> or is it 'stuck' as in, 0conf?
2199 2011-04-29 19:53:43 <BitterTea> 0 confirmations. previously it was "0/offline?"
2200 2011-04-29 19:54:01 <BitterTea> I get that when running Bitcoin from my usb drive sometimes, but I've not had it get stuck in 0/unconfirmed
2201 2011-04-29 19:54:11 <warpi> nanotube, lol :)
2202 2011-04-29 19:54:48 <BitterTea> Is there a way to clear the memory pool, or force it to try to rebroadcast a tx?
2203 2011-04-29 19:55:01 <nanotube> BitterTea: tx get rebroadcast automatically
2204 2011-04-29 19:55:15 <nanotube> BitterTea: just let your client sit while it's connected, it should be rebroadcast within an hour.
2205 2011-04-29 19:56:39 <BitterTea> What about ones that continue to show 0/unconfirmed but were actually transmitted? It may be due to me using the same wallet in multiple places, but for instance...
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2207 2011-04-29 19:57:26 <phantomcircuit> lol ok now it'll take 100% of your money
2208 2011-04-29 19:57:30 <BitterTea> Hmm, nevermind
2209 2011-04-29 20:01:53 <phantomcircuit> the kittens now have fangs
2210 2011-04-29 20:02:10 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
2211 2011-04-29 20:02:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120908 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 51 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 37 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 109547.05300209
2212 2011-04-29 20:02:39 <mrb_> http://blockexplorer.com/address/1EWvVZrkU6dPB7w3hLeHgExBMhuFzX5vjg
2213 2011-04-29 20:02:52 <phantomcircuit> mrb_, i believe those are all from me testing it
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2215 2011-04-29 20:02:57 <mrb_> yeah right
2216 2011-04-29 20:03:11 <phantomcircuit> i swears
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2219 2011-04-29 20:03:46 <phantomcircuit> if i wanted to steal everybodies btc i could have written this and then quietly posted a link to something containing it in an iframe on the forums
2220 2011-04-29 20:03:52 <phantomcircuit> id be rich and nobody would be the wiser
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2222 2011-04-29 20:04:40 <thehoboharvester> BTC
2223 2011-04-29 20:04:51 <phantomcircuit> also i have 6 withdraws in the amounts of 6/24/1/1/10/1
2224 2011-04-29 20:04:59 <phantomcircuit> so yeah that's all from me
2225 2011-04-29 20:05:28 <phantomcircuit> although strangely the 2 older transactions aren't in the block chain yet
2226 2011-04-29 20:05:39 <phantomcircuit> possibly mtgox screwed up?
2227 2011-04-29 20:06:05 <x5x> phantomcircuit, luckily mtgox has a daily limit
2228 2011-04-29 20:06:16 <x5x> so u can only get 1k worth of BTC a day from ppl max
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2230 2011-04-29 20:06:43 <phantomcircuit> x5x, meh if i was doing this to steal funds i could trivially get a couple dozen people with it
2231 2011-04-29 20:06:45 <phantomcircuit> no problem
2232 2011-04-29 20:06:50 <x5x> yea i know
2233 2011-04-29 20:06:55 <x5x> its too easy
2234 2011-04-29 20:07:02 <x5x> thats why i was like wtf
2235 2011-04-29 20:07:09 <x5x> i highly doubt im the first person to notice that
2236 2011-04-29 20:07:15 <phantomcircuit> i told him i'd help with the site but ... no response
2237 2011-04-29 20:08:35 <phantomcircuit> also it looks like mtgox debited my account but failed to send 2 transactions
2238 2011-04-29 20:08:52 <phantomcircuit> fuckin up :(
2239 2011-04-29 20:10:26 <jsemar> hey guys should i be getting a tx fee for a transaction of 0.25 sent from bitcoind rpc?
2240 2011-04-29 20:10:37 <jsemar> i have -paytxfee=0.0
2241 2011-04-29 20:10:48 <jsemar> got charged 0.01
2242 2011-04-29 20:11:55 <Cusipzzz> new version?
2243 2011-04-29 20:11:59 <jsemar> yeah
2244 2011-04-29 20:12:04 <fabianhjr> jsmar you get the option as a miner to ask for a fee, though it is weird because you should be able to accept or decline a fee.
2245 2011-04-29 20:12:08 <AmpEater2> ;;bc,gen 666000
2246 2011-04-29 20:12:09 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 666000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 7.2539163671 BTC per day and 0.302246515296 BTC per hour.
2247 2011-04-29 20:12:19 <Cusipzzz> jsemar: some weird fee stuff going on with new version
2248 2011-04-29 20:12:20 <jsemar> fabianhjr: sorry I was unclear, not mining
2249 2011-04-29 20:12:23 <AmpEater2> ;;bc,gen 6660000
2250 2011-04-29 20:12:24 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 6660000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 72.539163671 BTC per day and 3.02246515296 BTC per hour.
2251 2011-04-29 20:12:30 <jsemar> just for sending tx from the rpc server
2252 2011-04-29 20:12:33 <fabianhjr> jsemar: yeah, there I go.
2253 2011-04-29 20:12:45 <AmpEater2> ;;bc,gend [6660000,est]
2254 2011-04-29 20:12:45 <gribble> Error: "6660000,est" is not a valid command.
2255 2011-04-29 20:12:52 <fabianhjr> Though, most miners have a fee space and if you don't fit there just move to the next block.
2256 2011-04-29 20:13:07 <AmpEater2> ;;bc,gend 6660000,108000
2257 2011-04-29 20:13:07 <gribble> (bc,gend <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
2258 2011-04-29 20:13:08 <Cusipzzz> it should be made a lot more clear.. everyone understands < .01 - but there is some aging rules too
2259 2011-04-29 20:13:56 <jsemar> I am doing a project that uses bitcoin, and was testing transactions last night, I was aware of the .01 threshold, but i kept getting tx fees on any amount
2260 2011-04-29 20:14:11 <jsemar> don't mind paying tx fees longterm but for testing its kind of annoying
2261 2011-04-29 20:14:30 <Cusipzzz> jsemar: young coins likely
2262 2011-04-29 20:14:34 <jsemar> ?
2263 2011-04-29 20:14:58 <fabianhjr> jsemar: there is a priority depending on how many confs a coin has.
2264 2011-04-29 20:15:18 <Cusipzzz> forcing the fee on those is bad form, though.
2265 2011-04-29 20:15:25 <fabianhjr> So if you just recieved it and want to send it inmidietly, someone that has hold on to their coins for 3K confirmations goes first.
2266 2011-04-29 20:15:32 <jsemar> well they def had 1k+ confs
2267 2011-04-29 20:16:04 <jsemar> err, actually, maybe not
2268 2011-04-29 20:16:04 <Cusipzzz> maybe a bug...downgrade and it won't charge a fee
2269 2011-04-29 20:16:08 <fabianhjr> Also as Cusipzzz mentioned someone must be charging a fee for too young coins, likely to avoid spam.
2270 2011-04-29 20:16:10 <Sami345> I saw a dream of getting a block :D
2271 2011-04-29 20:16:22 <fabianhjr> Sami345: so, did it happen? :D
2272 2011-04-29 20:16:33 <jsemar> ah, they might have been young coins, considering I had just xfered them into the test account
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2274 2011-04-29 20:16:41 <jsemar> and got the fee sending them back out
2275 2011-04-29 20:16:43 <jsemar> k
2276 2011-04-29 20:16:43 <Cusipzzz> jsemar: ya, that's prob it
2277 2011-04-29 20:16:49 <[Tycho]> Heh, luke-jr was hit by ufasoft problem too :)
2278 2011-04-29 20:16:49 <Sami345> I just saw a block found in pocmlbm and I was like :)
2279 2011-04-29 20:17:09 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: ok, so what's the problem? âº
2280 2011-04-29 20:17:29 <Sami345> In morning I was not sure if it happened for real or was it a dream
2281 2011-04-29 20:17:51 <Sami345> I looked at my bitcoin -> no block found -> :(
2282 2011-04-29 20:18:28 <Sami345> it's getting pretty hard to find a block
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2284 2011-04-29 20:18:59 <Cusipzzz> young coin explanation : http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6642.msg99523#msg99523
2285 2011-04-29 20:19:25 <fabianhjr> Sami345: it isn't free money, what's your hashing rate?
2286 2011-04-29 20:19:40 <Sami345> 160000 khash/s
2287 2011-04-29 20:20:01 <Sami345> I have already 175 bitcoin
2288 2011-04-29 20:20:19 <Sami345> just not a block for a long time :(
2289 2011-04-29 20:20:31 <dotblank> http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide-165.html#post13319735
2290 2011-04-29 20:20:37 <dotblank> oops wrong channel
2291 2011-04-29 20:21:16 <[Tycho]> luke-jr, each pool had trubles with it
2292 2011-04-29 20:21:40 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
2293 2011-04-29 20:21:42 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120912 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 47 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 6 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 109622.54677250
2294 2011-04-29 20:21:46 <[Tycho]> luke-jr, ufasoft uses HTTP library that does it wrong
2295 2011-04-29 20:22:12 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: â¦so what's it do wrong? XD
2296 2011-04-29 20:22:15 <phantomcircuit> i would like to congratulate everybody here for not losing a single btc to the csrf!
2297 2011-04-29 20:22:17 <phantomcircuit> good for you
2298 2011-04-29 20:22:19 <[Tycho]> Basic auth
2299 2011-04-29 20:22:29 <[Tycho]> I don't want to spoil all the fun
2300 2011-04-29 20:23:00 <Lachesis> csrf?
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2302 2011-04-29 20:23:34 <luke-jr> csrf?
2303 2011-04-29 20:23:35 <x5x> center for the satoshi resistance force
2304 2011-04-29 20:23:36 <Cusipzzz> csrf?
2305 2011-04-29 20:23:50 <ninjaneo> cross site request forgery
2306 2011-04-29 20:23:59 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: is it something I can fix?
2307 2011-04-29 20:24:11 <[Tycho]> luke-jr, only workaround
2308 2011-04-29 20:24:23 <phantomcircuit> dotblank, weird wonder why they locked that thread
2309 2011-04-29 20:24:23 <luke-jr> â¦
2310 2011-04-29 20:24:34 <[Tycho]> What is "â¦" ?
2311 2011-04-29 20:24:35 <fabianhjr> ninjaneo: naw! You ruined the funz! D:
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2313 2011-04-29 20:24:41 <phantomcircuit> [Tycho], elipses
2314 2011-04-29 20:24:52 <phantomcircuit> Ellipsis
2315 2011-04-29 20:25:00 <[Tycho]> What does it means ?
2316 2011-04-29 20:25:10 <phantomcircuit> intentional omission of a word in text
2317 2011-04-29 20:25:12 <fabianhjr> phantomcircuit: which site/payload?
2318 2011-04-29 20:25:16 <[Tycho]> (i'm using non-unicode font)
2319 2011-04-29 20:25:29 <phantomcircuit> fabianhjr, ill never telll xD
2320 2011-04-29 20:25:33 <davex__> i wonder if you can figure out the number of bitcoin users from #bitcoin-dev participant count
2321 2011-04-29 20:25:41 <davex__> 272 users now, that's got to be a record
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2323 2011-04-29 20:25:48 <fabianhjr> phantomcircuit: then, how can someone fall for an CSRF link?
2324 2011-04-29 20:25:50 <phantomcircuit> although it has a big giant warning on it now before anything happens that allows you to stop it
2325 2011-04-29 20:25:54 <gjs278> got my 5970 down to 68c by attaching two 120mm arctic fans to the back
2326 2011-04-29 20:26:56 <ninjaneo> lol
2327 2011-04-29 20:26:57 <[Tycho]> Where is that link ?
2328 2011-04-29 20:27:24 <phantomcircuit> <phantomcircuit> on a totally unrelated note look at the kittens! http://covertinferno.org/~phantomcircuit/kittens.html !!!!!
2329 2011-04-29 20:27:49 <B0g4r7> Do you think those fans generate a significant EMF?
2330 2011-04-29 20:27:52 <phantomcircuit> please dont click ok
2331 2011-04-29 20:28:00 <gjs278> not sure
2332 2011-04-29 20:28:04 <phantomcircuit> im really not interested in figuring out who is who to send stuff back
2333 2011-04-29 20:28:23 <Sami345> phantomcircuit, what's thaT?
2334 2011-04-29 20:28:40 <phantomcircuit> Sami345, kittens cant you read?
2335 2011-04-29 20:28:45 <ninjaneo> lol
2336 2011-04-29 20:29:08 <phantomcircuit> i just know someone is going to do the typical user click through and not read the warning
2337 2011-04-29 20:29:38 <fabianhjr> " iframe.src = "mtgox.html?amount="+amount" Who do you send it to? MagicalTux paid you for this? xD
2338 2011-04-29 20:30:06 <Sami345> I'll open that in a virtual machine
2339 2011-04-29 20:30:18 <Sami345> there is no way it can steal my money then
2340 2011-04-29 20:30:46 <fabianhjr> Sami345: it is from an MtGox account, not from your wallet.
2341 2011-04-29 20:31:03 <Sami345> I don't have one
2342 2011-04-29 20:31:17 <gjs278> what I don't get is that you set an amount
2343 2011-04-29 20:31:19 <gjs278> but
2344 2011-04-29 20:31:22 <gjs278> you don't have anything after that?
2345 2011-04-29 20:32:08 <[Tycho]> Don't see any kittens there.
2346 2011-04-29 20:32:23 <[Tycho]> Looks like it doesn't works without JS
2347 2011-04-29 20:32:55 <x5x> woudlnt be hard to make one that works w/o it
2348 2011-04-29 20:33:02 <gjs278> it doesnt need js to work if he used a different method
2349 2011-04-29 20:33:34 <Sami345> you can autoredirect with html
2350 2011-04-29 20:33:37 <phantomcircuit> x5x, uh yes it would
2351 2011-04-29 20:33:54 <x5x> phantomcircuit, nah it wouldnt, it'd just require a singel click, anywhere
2352 2011-04-29 20:34:05 <phantomcircuit> x5x, it's a POST form
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2354 2011-04-29 20:34:15 <phantomcircuit> i doubt it works in the query string
2355 2011-04-29 20:34:16 <x5x> ever herad of image buttons
2356 2011-04-29 20:34:33 <phantomcircuit> oh you meant with active user involvement
2357 2011-04-29 20:34:36 <phantomcircuit> s/user/victim/
2358 2011-04-29 20:34:40 <phantomcircuit> yeah that's cheating
2359 2011-04-29 20:34:42 <x5x> "require a single click"
2360 2011-04-29 20:34:43 <gjs278> not really
2361 2011-04-29 20:34:53 <gjs278> you can submit forms with javascript
2362 2011-04-29 20:34:57 <gjs278> and that can post
2363 2011-04-29 20:34:57 <x5x> anyway, that tux dood needs to wake up
2364 2011-04-29 20:35:07 <x5x> and fix this
2365 2011-04-29 20:35:12 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, he was saying without javascript
2366 2011-04-29 20:35:14 <x5x> gjs278, hrm... auto submit w/o js ?
2367 2011-04-29 20:35:17 <omglolbbq1> how do i unlock decimals in the new version?
2368 2011-04-29 20:35:19 <x5x> ohh u said with not w/o
2369 2011-04-29 20:35:21 <gjs278> well cant do it without js
2370 2011-04-29 20:35:22 <gjs278> but
2371 2011-04-29 20:35:27 <gjs278> nearly everyone has js on
2372 2011-04-29 20:35:33 <gjs278> so you could get away with it
2373 2011-04-29 20:35:48 <x5x> but pretty much aynone would also clck at least once somewher on the page
2374 2011-04-29 20:35:51 <Sami345> I don't see where it is sending them to
2375 2011-04-29 20:36:00 <gjs278> I don't think he actually has it sending to anyone
2376 2011-04-29 20:36:07 <Sami345> are you sure it's still working?
2377 2011-04-29 20:36:11 <phantomcircuit> http://blockexplorer.com/address/1EWvVZrkU6dPB7w3hLeHgExBMhuFzX5vjg
2378 2011-04-29 20:36:22 <gjs278> lol
2379 2011-04-29 20:36:24 <phantomcircuit> so far all of those are me testing it out
2380 2011-04-29 20:36:27 <phantomcircuit> and it 100% works
2381 2011-04-29 20:36:29 <gjs278> yeah
2382 2011-04-29 20:36:49 <gjs278> he just needs to add auth tokens and it would be fine
2383 2011-04-29 20:37:00 <phantomcircuit> yeah
2384 2011-04-29 20:37:21 <cosurgi> anybody seen m0mchill around?
2385 2011-04-29 20:37:27 <x5x> gjs278, as discussed above the fix is even simpler than that
2386 2011-04-29 20:37:34 <gjs278> what would you suggest
2387 2011-04-29 20:37:43 <x5x> jsut check the x-requested-with header
2388 2011-04-29 20:38:02 <gjs278> well if you do that
2389 2011-04-29 20:38:07 <gjs278> then you only prevent javascript attacks
2390 2011-04-29 20:38:14 <phantomcircuit> x5x, that's a bandaid
2391 2011-04-29 20:38:16 <gjs278> yeah
2392 2011-04-29 20:38:26 <x5x> he only does ajax submission on his site
2393 2011-04-29 20:38:28 <x5x> so its fine
2394 2011-04-29 20:38:34 <cosurgi> ;;bc,seen m0mchil
2395 2011-04-29 20:38:34 <gribble> Error: "bc,seen" is not a valid command.
2396 2011-04-29 20:38:40 <x5x> u just dissallow any non ajax submissions
2397 2011-04-29 20:38:51 <x5x> phantomcircuit, nah its actually a fullproof solution, until flash has a vunlerability
2398 2011-04-29 20:39:04 <cosurgi> ;;seen m0mchil
2399 2011-04-29 20:39:04 <gribble> m0mchil was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 5 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 35 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <m0mchil> what is fMiner?
2400 2011-04-29 20:39:04 <x5x> whcih is why rails/django only did that check up until flash did have a vuln a few months ago
2401 2011-04-29 20:39:20 <cosurgi> oops. he wasn't around for 5 weeks.
2402 2011-04-29 20:39:25 <gjs278> well he could do that to stop it now, but tokens would be bulletproof
2403 2011-04-29 20:39:39 <x5x> gjs278, yea, thats exatly what i said to him actually
2404 2011-04-29 20:39:41 <Sami345> ;;seen Sami345
2405 2011-04-29 20:39:41 <gribble> Sami345 was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 3 minutes and 34 seconds ago: <Sami345> are you sure it's still working?
2406 2011-04-29 20:39:43 BitterTea has joined
2407 2011-04-29 20:39:59 <Sami345> ;;seen Sami345
2408 2011-04-29 20:39:59 <gribble> Sami345 was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 18 seconds ago: <Sami345> ;;seen Sami345
2409 2011-04-29 20:40:00 <BitterTea> Ok, so I think I found the cause of this tx sticking around in the memory pool
2410 2011-04-29 20:40:02 <Sami345> :d
2411 2011-04-29 20:40:07 <gjs278> ;;seen Satoshi
2412 2011-04-29 20:40:08 <gribble> Satoshi was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 10 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, 35 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <satoshi> satoshi is here!
2413 2011-04-29 20:40:35 <Diablo-D3> :<
2414 2011-04-29 20:40:39 <Diablo-D3> wait thats a fraud
2415 2011-04-29 20:40:46 <Diablo-D3> satoshi has never been on irc
2416 2011-04-29 20:41:32 <gjs278> irc doesnt have enough hentai
2417 2011-04-29 20:41:52 eternal1 has joined
2418 2011-04-29 20:42:17 <gjs278> ;;seen "a pair of breasts in my entire life"
2419 2011-04-29 20:42:17 <gribble> I have not seen a pair of breasts in my entire life.
2420 2011-04-29 20:42:34 <Cusipzzz> lold
2421 2011-04-29 20:43:01 <soultcer> lol
2422 2011-04-29 20:43:14 <Diablo-D3> ;;seen "my dick in years because Im so fat"
2423 2011-04-29 20:43:15 <gribble> I have not seen my dick in years because Im so fat.
2424 2011-04-29 20:43:59 <soultcer> Now you broke it
2425 2011-04-29 20:44:13 <gjs278> gribble is a fucking lardass
2426 2011-04-29 20:44:48 <soultcer> haha, I bet the underlying script scans through all log files since channel creation
2427 2011-04-29 20:44:57 <soultcer> ;;seen soultcer
2428 2011-04-29 20:44:57 <gribble> soultcer was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 9 seconds ago: <soultcer> haha, I bet the underlying script scans through all log files since channel creation
2429 2011-04-29 20:45:29 <phantomcircuit> ;;seen "*%_"
2430 2011-04-29 20:45:29 <gribble> I haven't seen anyone matching *%_.
2431 2011-04-29 20:45:36 <phantomcircuit> ;;seen "*"
2432 2011-04-29 20:45:37 <gribble> * could be <last> (6 seconds ago), phantomcircuit (6 seconds ago), soultcer (39 seconds ago), gjs278 (1 minute and 22 seconds ago), Diablo-D3 (2 minutes and 21 seconds ago), Cusipzzz (3 minutes and 1 second ago), Sami345 (5 minutes and 33 seconds ago), BitterTea (5 minutes and 36 seconds ago), x5x (5 minutes and 57 seconds ago), cosurgi (6 minutes and 16 seconds ago), omglolbbq1 (10 (50 more messages)
2433 2011-04-29 20:45:41 <phantomcircuit> lulz
2434 2011-04-29 20:45:43 <gjs278> kaboom
2435 2011-04-29 20:45:46 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: that's not fraud. slush changed his nick to Satoshi for 15 minutes
2436 2011-04-29 20:45:48 <soultcer> ;;seen ".*"
2437 2011-04-29 20:45:49 <gribble> .* could be <last> (2 seconds ago), cosurgi (2 seconds ago), gjs278 (4 seconds ago), phantomcircuit (7 seconds ago), soultcer (51 seconds ago), Diablo-D3 (2 minutes and 33 seconds ago), Cusipzzz (3 minutes and 13 seconds ago), Sami345 (5 minutes and 45 seconds ago), BitterTea (5 minutes and 48 seconds ago), x5x (6 minutes and 9 seconds ago), omglolbbq1 (10 minutes and 31 seconds ago), (50 more messages)
2438 2011-04-29 20:45:52 <gjs278> holy fuck
2439 2011-04-29 20:45:57 <gjs278> why would the bot accept regex
2440 2011-04-29 20:46:17 <gjs278> ;;seen gribble
2441 2011-04-29 20:46:18 <gribble> I have not seen gribble.
2442 2011-04-29 20:46:21 <gjs278> fuck you
2443 2011-04-29 20:46:22 <soultcer> Quick let's write a regex that mines for bitcoins and abuse the bot's cpu cycles
2444 2011-04-29 20:46:44 <phantomcircuit> ;;seen "[a-z]+"
2445 2011-04-29 20:46:44 <gribble> I have not seen [a-z]+.
2446 2011-04-29 20:46:49 <phantomcircuit> ;;seen "/[a-z]+/"
2447 2011-04-29 20:46:50 <gribble> I have not seen /[a-z]+/.
2448 2011-04-29 20:46:56 <BitterTea> Perhaps not
2449 2011-04-29 20:47:04 <phantomcircuit> . isn't a valid char in an irc nick
2450 2011-04-29 20:47:05 <BlueMatt> just * then
2451 2011-04-29 20:47:10 <phantomcircuit> yeah
2452 2011-04-29 20:47:14 <phantomcircuit> so it removes the .
2453 2011-04-29 20:47:14 <gjs278> ;;seen "a reason to keep living.--; system('reboot');"
2454 2011-04-29 20:47:15 <gribble> I have not seen a reason to keep living.--; system('reboot');.
2455 2011-04-29 20:47:20 <gjs278> didnt work
2456 2011-04-29 20:47:30 <soultcer> ;;seen `echo`
2457 2011-04-29 20:47:30 <gribble> I have not seen `echo`.
2458 2011-04-29 20:47:36 <soultcer> ;;seen "`echo Hello`"
2459 2011-04-29 20:47:36 <gribble> I have not seen `echo Hello`.
2460 2011-04-29 20:47:48 <cosurgi> ;;bc,block
2461 2011-04-29 20:47:48 <gribble> Error: "bc,block" is not a valid command.
2462 2011-04-29 20:47:49 <cosurgi> ;;bc,blocks
2463 2011-04-29 20:47:50 <gribble> 120914
2464 2011-04-29 20:47:53 <cosurgi> ;;bc,hextarget
2465 2011-04-29 20:47:53 <gribble> 000000000000B5AC000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
2466 2011-04-29 20:47:57 <gjs278> ;;bc,difficulty
2467 2011-04-29 20:47:57 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
2468 2011-04-29 20:47:57 <cosurgi> ;;bc,stats
2469 2011-04-29 20:47:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120914 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 45 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 52 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 109583.38887046
2470 2011-04-29 20:48:00 <Sami345> lol, do you think it's written with php :D
2471 2011-04-29 20:48:05 <gjs278> you never know
2472 2011-04-29 20:48:11 <gjs278> wtf
2473 2011-04-29 20:48:12 <cosurgi> ;;bc,calc 2300000
2474 2011-04-29 20:48:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 1 day, 23 hours, 54 minutes, and 7 seconds
2475 2011-04-29 20:48:13 <gjs278> 120k difficulty
2476 2011-04-29 20:48:18 <cosurgi> ;;bc,gen 2300000
2477 2011-04-29 20:48:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 25.051062529 BTC per day and 1.04379427204 BTC per hour.
2478 2011-04-29 20:48:20 <gjs278> oh
2479 2011-04-29 20:48:22 <gjs278> nevermind
2480 2011-04-29 20:48:23 <gjs278> misread badly
2481 2011-04-29 20:48:29 <sipa> ;;later tell slush is there way of changing a mining.bitcoin.cz password?
2482 2011-04-29 20:48:29 <gjs278> 109k a lot better
2483 2011-04-29 20:48:29 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
2484 2011-04-29 20:48:31 <cosurgi> ;;bc,gen 0
2485 2011-04-29 20:48:32 <gribble> Error: float division
2486 2011-04-29 20:48:37 jroot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2487 2011-04-29 20:48:41 <soultcer> ;;later dude
2488 2011-04-29 20:48:41 <gribble> Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "dude" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
2489 2011-04-29 20:48:58 <cosurgi> lol!
2490 2011-04-29 20:49:09 <soultcer> ;;list later
2491 2011-04-29 20:49:09 <gribble> notes, remove, and tell
2492 2011-04-29 20:49:15 <Sami345> ;;funnyniceplugin dude
2493 2011-04-29 20:49:16 <gribble> Error: "funnyniceplugin" is not a valid command.
2494 2011-04-29 20:49:27 <cosurgi> ;;roulette
2495 2011-04-29 20:49:27 <gribble> *click*
2496 2011-04-29 20:49:27 <Sami345> ;;later remove
2497 2011-04-29 20:49:29 <gribble> Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
2498 2011-04-29 20:49:37 <soultcer> ;;roulette
2499 2011-04-29 20:49:37 <sipa> ;;help later notes
2500 2011-04-29 20:49:38 <cosurgi> ;;ping
2501 2011-04-29 20:49:38 * gribble reloads and spins the chambers.
2502 2011-04-29 20:49:39 <gribble> (later notes [<nick>]) -- If <nick> is given, replies with what notes are waiting on <nick>, otherwise, replies with the nicks that have notes waiting for them.
2503 2011-04-29 20:49:40 <gribble> pong
2504 2011-04-29 20:49:43 soultcer has joined
2505 2011-04-29 20:49:50 <soultcer> That that bot really just kick me?
2506 2011-04-29 20:49:58 <sipa> yes
2507 2011-04-29 20:50:01 <BlueMatt> you were playing roulette
2508 2011-04-29 20:50:03 <soultcer> Why does it even have op?
2509 2011-04-29 20:50:05 <gjs278> you got shot
2510 2011-04-29 20:50:05 <cosurgi> you played roulett, what did you expect?
2511 2011-04-29 20:50:05 <sipa> ;;roulette
2512 2011-04-29 20:50:05 <gribble> *click*
2513 2011-04-29 20:50:10 <Cusipzzz> lol
2514 2011-04-29 20:50:14 <gjs278> ;;roulette
2515 2011-04-29 20:50:14 <gribble> *click*
2516 2011-04-29 20:50:16 <Sami345> ;;roulette
2517 2011-04-29 20:50:16 <gribble> *click*
2518 2011-04-29 20:50:17 <gjs278> raped
2519 2011-04-29 20:50:19 <BlueMatt> because for some reason all op in this chan is given by the bot
2520 2011-04-29 20:50:21 <soultcer> No seriously, any reason this bot has op?
2521 2011-04-29 20:50:27 <sipa> ;;roulette
2522 2011-04-29 20:50:27 <gribble> *click*
2523 2011-04-29 20:50:28 <gjs278> so it can kick you
2524 2011-04-29 20:50:30 <gjs278> wow
2525 2011-04-29 20:50:30 <soultcer> No it's not
2526 2011-04-29 20:50:32 <gjs278> you are really unlucky
2527 2011-04-29 20:50:37 <gjs278> the only one to die
2528 2011-04-29 20:50:39 <gjs278> to roulette
2529 2011-04-29 20:50:51 <fabianhjr> ;;roulette
2530 2011-04-29 20:50:52 <soultcer> Wanna play my roulette? Hint: The chamber is fully loaded? :D
2531 2011-04-29 20:50:52 * gribble reloads and spins the chambers.
2532 2011-04-29 20:50:59 fabianhjr has joined
2533 2011-04-29 20:51:04 <fabianhjr> LOL, stupid bot. :P
2534 2011-04-29 20:51:07 <gjs278> fabianhjr what is it like
2535 2011-04-29 20:51:09 <gjs278> being dead
2536 2011-04-29 20:51:21 <gjs278> you die in the channel, you die in real life
2537 2011-04-29 20:51:28 <soultcer> He's a bitcoin zombie
2538 2011-04-29 20:51:30 <Sami345> ;;google lol
2539 2011-04-29 20:51:30 <gribble> League of Legends - Free Online Game | LoL - League of Legends: <http://leagueoflegends.com/>; LOL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOL>; Lolcats 'n' Funny Pictures of Cats - I Can Has Cheezburger?: <http://icanhascheezburger.com/>
2540 2011-04-29 20:51:34 <soultcer> *COOOOIIIINNNNNNSSSSSS*
2541 2011-04-29 20:51:56 <Sami345> ;;help
2542 2011-04-29 20:51:56 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
2543 2011-04-29 20:51:58 <cosurgi> ;;google yade
2544 2011-04-29 20:51:58 <gribble> YADE: <http://yade.wikia.com/>; YADE | Free Music, Tour Dates, Photos, Videos: <http://www.myspace.com/yademusic>; Yade: <http://yade-dem.org/>
2545 2011-04-29 20:52:10 <Sami345> ;;facts
2546 2011-04-29 20:52:11 <gribble> To see a nice sortable web view of all factoids, click here: http://gribble.dreamhosters.com/viewfactoids.php?db=%23bitcoin-dev || To see a list of the most popular factoids, run !rank || To search factoids, run !factoids search <yoursearchterm>
2547 2011-04-29 20:52:15 <cosurgi> ha! cool.
2548 2011-04-29 20:52:37 <cosurgi> ;;google cosurgi
2549 2011-04-29 20:52:38 <gribble> nV News Forums - View Profile: cosurgi: <http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/member.php?u=45517>; Print Page - Spesmilo 0.0.1.beta1 Release (Linux and Windows): <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=6273.0>; Spesmilo 0.0.1.beta1 Release (Linux and Windows): <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6273.0>
2550 2011-04-29 20:52:51 <fabianhjr> ;;roulette
2551 2011-04-29 20:52:51 <cosurgi> ;;google gribble
2552 2011-04-29 20:52:51 <gribble> *click*
2553 2011-04-29 20:52:52 <gribble> Christopher Gribble - New Hampshire News Story - WMUR Manchester: <http://www.wmur.com/news/25356990/detail.html>; Judge sentences Gribble to life in prison; assures Jaimie Cates ...: <http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2011/03/gribble_guilty.html>; Gribble declares he might kill again, if freed - Boston.com: <http://articles.boston.com/2011-03-17/news/29350415_1_three- (1 more message)
2554 2011-04-29 20:53:03 <fabianhjr> See, I am now undead. :D
2555 2011-04-29 20:53:11 <cosurgi> ;;google fabianhjr
2556 2011-04-29 20:53:20 <Sami345> ;;google Sami345
2557 2011-04-29 20:53:28 <fabianhjr> ;;google fabianhjr
2558 2011-04-29 20:53:29 <gribble> BTCDir - Find everything you can buy with bitcoins! - Fabian H. jr.: <http://fabianhjr.co.cc/btcdir/>; SourceForge.net: Fabian H jr. - User Profile: <http://sourceforge.net/users/damegedspy>; Xonotic Forums - Reputation Report for fabianhjr: <http://forums.xonotic.org/reputation.php?uid=62>
2559 2011-04-29 20:53:30 <Sami345> it break :D
2560 2011-04-29 20:53:31 <gribble> How can I mute a single program in C#?: <http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/csharplanguage/thread/d4b6ddd7-04d0-4c9b-9a10-e87a2628dc45>; AUR (en) - gnurobots: <http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=5479>; Bless on Wakoopa: <http://social.wakoopa.com/software/bless>
2561 2011-04-29 20:53:32 <gribble> BTCDir - Find everything you can buy with bitcoins! - Fabian H. jr.: <http://fabianhjr.co.cc/btcdir/>; SourceForge.net: Fabian H jr. - User Profile: <http://sourceforge.net/users/damegedspy>; Xonotic Forums - Reputation Report for fabianhjr: <http://forums.xonotic.org/reputation.php?uid=62>
2562 2011-04-29 20:54:09 <soultcer> Actually that's a pretty cool channel bot
2563 2011-04-29 20:54:14 <Sami345> yeah
2564 2011-04-29 20:54:31 <cosurgi> ;;google 1 inch in meters
2565 2011-04-29 20:54:32 <gribble> Answers.com - How many meters are in one inch: <http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_meters_are_in_one_inch>; Common Weights and Measures (table) â Infoplease.com: <http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0813058.html>; Metric and U.S. Equivalents â Infoplease.com: <http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001661.html>
2566 2011-04-29 20:54:40 <cosurgi> ;;google 2+2
2567 2011-04-29 20:54:40 <gribble> Two Plus Two Poker Forum - Poker Strategy Forums: <http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/>; ThinkGeek :: 2+2=5: <http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/generic/60f5/>; British undergraduate degree classification - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_undergraduate_degree_classification>
2568 2011-04-29 20:54:41 <Sami345> ;;calc 1 + 1
2569 2011-04-29 20:54:41 <gribble> 1 + 1 = 2
2570 2011-04-29 20:54:54 <Sami345> ;;calc 9999^9999
2571 2011-04-29 20:54:54 <gribble> ...
2572 2011-04-29 20:54:58 <Sami345> :D
2573 2011-04-29 20:54:59 <cosurgi> ;;calc 2^32
2574 2011-04-29 20:55:00 <gribble> 2^32 = 4,294,967,296
2575 2011-04-29 20:55:05 <cosurgi> ;;calc 2^352
2576 2011-04-29 20:55:06 <gribble> 2^352 = 9.17399446 * 10^(105)
2577 2011-04-29 20:55:06 warpi has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
2578 2011-04-29 20:55:09 <Cusipzzz> ;;ud ygos
2579 2011-04-29 20:55:10 <gribble> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ygos | Aug 12, 2007 ... YGOS. buy ygos mugs, tshirts and magnets. Internet acronym for "you gay or something?". OP kept saying all of the girls pictured in the ...
2580 2011-04-29 20:55:19 <cosurgi> ;;ud omg
2581 2011-04-29 20:55:20 <gribble> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=omg | Possibly the most irritating piece of chatroom vernacular in existence. Often used by teenage girls in chatroom who, for some reason, punctuate the...
2582 2011-04-29 20:55:35 <Sami345> ;;calc "'++++313'31
2583 2011-04-29 20:55:35 <gribble> Error: No closing quotation
2584 2011-04-29 20:55:35 <cosurgi> ;;ud lol
2585 2011-04-29 20:55:36 <gribble> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lol | The name 'Lol' is an abreviated form of the name 'Laurence'.
2586 2011-04-29 20:55:47 <cosurgi> ;;ud rotfl
2587 2011-04-29 20:55:47 <gribble> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rotfl | rotfl 2 sounds lol lmao rofl lmfao rotflmao haha omg funny roflmao laughing laugh lawl lolz wtf rotflol rotflmfao roflcopter acronym lolol hehe roffle lmbo ...
2588 2011-04-29 20:55:51 <Sami345> ;;calc "lol" + "fun"
2589 2011-04-29 20:55:51 <gribble> funlol
2590 2011-04-29 20:55:57 <Sami345> ?
2591 2011-04-29 20:55:58 <Sami345> :D
2592 2011-04-29 20:55:58 B0g4r7 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2593 2011-04-29 20:56:04 <Sami345> ;;calc "lol" + "fun" + "ha"
2594 2011-04-29 20:56:05 <gribble> ...
2595 2011-04-29 20:56:23 <cosurgi> ;;calc ["fun"]+["omg"]
2596 2011-04-29 20:56:23 <gribble> Error: "omg" is not a valid command.
2597 2011-04-29 20:56:31 <Sami345> ;;calc 2 / "0"
2598 2011-04-29 20:56:43 <Sami345> crash?
2599 2011-04-29 20:56:44 <ninjaneo> infinity
2600 2011-04-29 20:56:45 <ninjaneo> =o
2601 2011-04-29 20:56:49 <Sami345> ;;calc 1+1
2602 2011-04-29 20:56:59 <gribble> ...
2603 2011-04-29 20:57:00 <gribble> 1 + 1 = 2
2604 2011-04-29 20:57:04 <ninjaneo> owned
2605 2011-04-29 20:57:15 <Sami345> just got stuck for a moment :D
2606 2011-04-29 20:57:24 B0g4r7 has joined
2607 2011-04-29 20:57:32 <ninjaneo> he is trying to divide 2 into very small pieces
2608 2011-04-29 20:57:51 <Sami345> ;;calc "fun" / ""
2609 2011-04-29 20:57:51 <gribble> ...
2610 2011-04-29 20:57:57 <Sami345> ;;calc "fun" / 2
2611 2011-04-29 20:57:57 <gribble> fun
2612 2011-04-29 20:58:07 <Sami345> ;;calc "0"
2613 2011-04-29 20:58:08 <gribble> ...
2614 2011-04-29 20:58:11 <cosurgi> ;;google bitcoin-dev
2615 2011-04-29 20:58:11 <gribble> Freenode / #Bitcoin-Dev Chat Logs: <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=986.0>; Contact / IRC | Bitcoin: <http://www.bitcoin.org/contact>; Gribble - Bitcoin: <http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble>
2616 2011-04-29 20:58:15 <Sami345> ;;calc "0" +
2617 2011-04-29 20:58:15 <gribble> ...
2618 2011-04-29 20:58:20 <Sami345> ;;calc "0" + 1
2619 2011-04-29 20:58:20 <gribble> 0 + 1 = 1
2620 2011-04-29 20:58:23 fimp has joined
2621 2011-04-29 20:58:30 <cosurgi> ;;calc 2^-32
2622 2011-04-29 20:58:30 <gribble> 2^(-32) = 2.32830644 * 10^(-10)
2623 2011-04-29 20:58:36 <Sami345> ;;calc 2 7 0
2624 2011-04-29 20:58:37 <gribble> ...
2625 2011-04-29 20:58:38 <ninjaneo> ;; calc 6^3
2626 2011-04-29 20:58:38 <gribble> 6^3 = 216
2627 2011-04-29 20:58:40 <Sami345> ;;calc 2 / 0
2628 2011-04-29 20:58:41 <gribble> ...
2629 2011-04-29 20:58:41 <cosurgi> ;;calc asin(1)
2630 2011-04-29 20:58:42 <gribble> asin(1) = 1.57079633
2631 2011-04-29 20:58:46 <ninjaneo> i want XOR op dammit
2632 2011-04-29 20:58:47 <ninjaneo> =p
2633 2011-04-29 20:58:47 <cosurgi> ;;calc pi=2*asin(1)
2634 2011-04-29 20:58:49 <gribble> ...
2635 2011-04-29 20:58:52 <cosurgi> ;;calc pi
2636 2011-04-29 20:58:52 <gribble> pi = 3.14159265
2637 2011-04-29 20:59:06 <cosurgi> ;;calc pi2=4*asin(1)
2638 2011-04-29 20:59:06 <gribble> ...
2639 2011-04-29 20:59:07 <Sami345> ;;calc 9999^"99999999"
2640 2011-04-29 20:59:08 <gribble> ...
2641 2011-04-29 20:59:11 <cosurgi> ;;calc pi2
2642 2011-04-29 20:59:11 <gribble> ...
2643 2011-04-29 20:59:20 <Sami345> ;;calc pi ^ 2
2644 2011-04-29 20:59:20 <gribble> pi^2 = 9.8696044
2645 2011-04-29 20:59:32 <BlueMatt> whats with the sudden gribble obsession?
2646 2011-04-29 20:59:42 <cosurgi> ;;calc 234 % 5
2647 2011-04-29 20:59:42 <gribble> 234 mod 5 = 4
2648 2011-04-29 20:59:57 * cosurgi STOPS NOW.
2649 2011-04-29 21:00:01 <Sami345> ;;calc 200 - 5%
2650 2011-04-29 21:00:03 <gribble> 200 - (5%) = 199.95
2651 2011-04-29 21:00:16 <Sami345> okay, let's stop
2652 2011-04-29 21:00:26 <ninjaneo> can i do one
2653 2011-04-29 21:00:49 <BlueMatt> /msg gribble funness
2654 2011-04-29 21:00:50 <cosurgi> do /msg
2655 2011-04-29 21:01:16 <ninjaneo> oooh he handles fractions
2656 2011-04-29 21:01:31 <cosurgi> and I only wanted to check how long ago m0mchil was here
2657 2011-04-29 21:01:36 <ninjaneo> most bots would tell me 1/3+1/3+1/3 is .99999 lol
2658 2011-04-29 21:01:50 <BlueMatt> gribble just uses google calc
2659 2011-04-29 21:01:53 <ninjaneo> ah
2660 2011-04-29 21:07:59 <BitterTea> Anyone interested in helping me figure out a strange looking tx deadlock?
2661 2011-04-29 21:08:01 <Sami345> ;;calc the answer to life the universe and everything
2662 2011-04-29 21:08:02 <gribble> the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
2663 2011-04-29 21:08:15 <phantomcircuit> ;;calc pi^1000
2664 2011-04-29 21:08:16 <gribble> ...
2665 2011-04-29 21:08:20 <phantomcircuit> lulz
2666 2011-04-29 21:09:25 glassresistor has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2667 2011-04-29 21:09:29 <lulzplzkthx> ;;bc,mtgox
2668 2011-04-29 21:09:30 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.85,"low":2.21,"vol":56010,"buy":2.795,"sell":2.829,"last":2.79}}
2669 2011-04-29 21:09:38 m00p has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2670 2011-04-29 21:09:55 FrankyJoe has joined
2671 2011-04-29 21:11:09 <BlueMatt> BitterTea: ask a question, dont ask to ask ;)
2672 2011-04-29 21:11:52 <BitterTea> Well, I'm not super comfortable sharing intimate details of my txs to the whole channel ;)
2673 2011-04-29 21:12:08 <Cusipzzz> imtimate... o.O
2674 2011-04-29 21:12:22 <Cusipzzz> ASCII pr0n in the blockchain !
2675 2011-04-29 21:12:23 <BitterTea> It requires a paste of the debug output from Bitcoin to explain
2676 2011-04-29 21:12:40 <BitterTea> Meh, whatever... http://pastebin.com/h3ZzJMvt
2677 2011-04-29 21:12:45 DukeOfURL has joined
2678 2011-04-29 21:12:49 <BitterTea> So the second tx used the first as an input
2679 2011-04-29 21:12:55 <BitterTea> Except the first had not been broadcast yet, and still isn't
2680 2011-04-29 21:13:15 <BitterTea> I'm wondering if this fact is keeping it from being broadcast, or perhaps it's being rejected by my peers
2681 2011-04-29 21:13:41 <BlueMatt> probably rejected by peers, just wait for the first to be transmitted in the next hour or so
2682 2011-04-29 21:13:57 <BitterTea> It's been 6 hours now
2683 2011-04-29 21:14:08 <BlueMatt> (assuming the original node is still on the network)
2684 2011-04-29 21:14:19 <BitterTea> Doesn't show up in BBE or charts unconfirmed txs list
2685 2011-04-29 21:14:24 <BlueMatt> hmmmm
2686 2011-04-29 21:14:27 <BitterTea> Yeah, 8 connections
2687 2011-04-29 21:14:54 Cusipzzz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2688 2011-04-29 21:15:00 <BitterTea> I did shut down Bitcoin at one point and restarted it (with -rescan if that matters)
2689 2011-04-29 21:15:10 <BlueMatt> did you send the first one (on which the other depends)?
2690 2011-04-29 21:15:10 <JFK911> the biggest flaw with bitcoin is the lost coins arent given to me
2691 2011-04-29 21:15:15 <BlueMatt> or was it sent by someone else
2692 2011-04-29 21:15:23 <BitterTea> I sent both
2693 2011-04-29 21:15:40 <BitterTea> The change from the first (0/unconfirmed) was used as the input to the second
2694 2011-04-29 21:15:41 <BlueMatt> oh you sent to yourself?
2695 2011-04-29 21:15:49 <BlueMatt> oh, ok
2696 2011-04-29 21:16:09 <BlueMatt> well if they are both in your wallet, Id assume its safe to restart the client and see what happens
2697 2011-04-29 21:16:14 <BlueMatt> (maybe with -rescan)
2698 2011-04-29 21:16:20 <sipa> rescan won't help
2699 2011-04-29 21:16:21 <BitterTea> Already did that ;)
2700 2011-04-29 21:16:41 <BlueMatt> sipa: didnt think so, but you never know
2701 2011-04-29 21:16:41 <BitterTea> Well, I have multiple wallets sharing a block database, so I always -rescan
2702 2011-04-29 21:16:43 <sipa> that's for when the block chain contains transactions that are relevant for you that aren't in your wallet yet
2703 2011-04-29 21:17:06 <sipa> and 0.3.21 will automatical rescan if necessary
2704 2011-04-29 21:18:10 <sipa> i believe that when txs are rebroadcast, their unconfirmed supporting txs are broadcast as well
2705 2011-04-29 21:18:13 <sipa> let me check
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2707 2011-04-29 21:18:34 <BitterTea> Will 0.3.21 rescan the whole block chain (as with -rescan), or just the necessary parts?
2708 2011-04-29 21:18:58 <sipa> only the necessary part
2709 2011-04-29 21:18:59 <BitterTea> Because waiting a few minutes for the block chain to be scanned is a little annoying (but worth the convenience of separate wallets)
2710 2011-04-29 21:19:04 <BitterTea> That's really nice
2711 2011-04-29 21:19:29 <sipa> well, typically a bit further back
2712 2011-04-29 21:19:46 <sipa> if it's N blocks that need rescanning, it will on average rescan 1.5*N
2713 2011-04-29 21:20:41 <BlueMatt> sipa: how does it keep track of how far back it has to rescan?
2714 2011-04-29 21:21:07 <sipa> BlueMatt: it stores a list of recent blocks, with exponentially increasing intervals, in wallet.dat
2715 2011-04-29 21:21:13 <luke-jr> could use a second human looking over http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/pool/balances.json
2716 2011-04-29 21:22:05 <BitterTea> luke, looking for what? Maybe this will help? http://jsonformatter.curiousconcept.com/
2717 2011-04-29 21:22:46 <luke-jr> BitterTea: ⦠the data itself, not the format
2718 2011-04-29 21:22:59 <BitterTea> I know, figured it would be easier to read that way
2719 2011-04-29 21:24:06 <BitterTea> What are those? TBC amounts?
2720 2011-04-29 21:24:27 <BitterTea> Can't make heads nor tails of this
2721 2011-04-29 21:24:31 <omglolbbq1> how do i unlock more decimals in .21?
2722 2011-04-29 21:24:57 <BlueMatt> omglolbbq1: if you use them, they show up
2723 2011-04-29 21:24:59 <luke-jr> BitterTea: bitcoin raw units
2724 2011-04-29 21:25:08 <omglolbbq1> ah ok, tnx blue :)
2725 2011-04-29 21:25:09 <tcatm> BlueMatt: I'm trying to compile latest git head: /usr/include/miniupnpc/upnpcommands.h:11: fatal error: portlistingparse.h: not found
2726 2011-04-29 21:25:20 <luke-jr> BitterTea: like all data should have been from the start
2727 2011-04-29 21:25:20 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, why are some of them negative?
2728 2011-04-29 21:25:24 <omglolbbq1> is it limited to 3? or up to 8?
2729 2011-04-29 21:25:26 <sipa> tcatm: use miniupnpc 1.5
2730 2011-04-29 21:25:26 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: because the pool overpaid
2731 2011-04-29 21:25:27 <BitterTea> luke-jr: What's "newest":1304111809.72?
2732 2011-04-29 21:25:30 <sipa> tcatm: not the beta
2733 2011-04-29 21:25:37 <BlueMatt> tcatm: Im assuming you arent using miniupnpc-1.5 without the other numbers
2734 2011-04-29 21:25:40 <luke-jr> BitterTea: most recent time the balance was updated
2735 2011-04-29 21:25:59 <BitterTea> Oh, gotcha. This is for your pool
2736 2011-04-29 21:26:00 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i assume it rounds the the closest btc?
2737 2011-04-29 21:26:05 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: nope
2738 2011-04-29 21:26:23 <BitterTea> Those units are 1e-8 BTC
2739 2011-04-29 21:26:30 <luke-jr> â¦
2740 2011-04-29 21:26:34 <luke-jr> no, 1e8
2741 2011-04-29 21:26:49 <luke-jr> oh, I see what you mean
2742 2011-04-29 21:27:28 <tcatm> sipa thx
2743 2011-04-29 21:28:36 <BitterTea> sipa, you think if I wait long enough the original tx will be rebroadcast? even though it's been 6 hours already?
2744 2011-04-29 21:29:29 <JFK911> $3 bitcoins tonight?
2745 2011-04-29 21:30:03 <B0g4r7> ;;bc,mtgox
2746 2011-04-29 21:30:04 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.9,"low":2.21,"vol":57007,"buy":2.8701,"sell":2.89,"last":2.89}}
2747 2011-04-29 21:30:17 <BurtyB> not far to go
2748 2011-04-29 21:30:23 <B0g4r7> lawdy
2749 2011-04-29 21:30:36 <BlueMatt> we just keep hitting new all-time highs
2750 2011-04-29 21:32:39 <BitterTea> Glad I only sold a little bit this afternoon, I thought it would bounce back down to 2.3 or so after hitting 2.6 againt oday
2751 2011-04-29 21:33:05 <BlueMatt> I said the same thing when we hit 1.1
2752 2011-04-29 21:33:10 <BurtyB> heh
2753 2011-04-29 21:33:56 <sipa> BitterTea: it should keep rebroadcasting
2754 2011-04-29 21:34:30 <sipa> and the client needs to be running for at least half an hour to be sure it did a rebroadcast
2755 2011-04-29 21:34:48 <tcatm> how can I un-redirect the printf -> debug.log for a single function?
2756 2011-04-29 21:35:12 <gjs278> I remember when it was 1.95 and I sold them all because I had no faith
2757 2011-04-29 21:35:15 <BitterTea> Like I said, it's been 6 hours already, and I have to leave soon (running from a USB drive)
2758 2011-04-29 21:35:16 <BlueMatt> tcatm: change to fprintf(stderr, ...
2759 2011-04-29 21:35:23 <tcatm> mhm
2760 2011-04-29 21:35:29 <B0g4r7> http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0509/technology-psilocybin-bitcoins-gavin-andresen-crypto-currency.html
2761 2011-04-29 21:35:37 <luke-jr> 2.95
2762 2011-04-29 21:35:38 <B0g4r7> Geez, talk about a negative article.
2763 2011-04-29 21:35:46 <B0g4r7> F U Greenberg.
2764 2011-04-29 21:35:52 <B0g4r7> The jewz tryin to keep us down.
2765 2011-04-29 21:35:57 <BitterTea> B0g4r7: Really? Didn't seem bad to me
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2767 2011-04-29 21:36:09 <BlueMatt> B0g4r7: m, I didnt read it that negative. The beginning very much is, but after that its not bad at all IMHO
2768 2011-04-29 21:36:11 <B0g4r7> Putting psilocymin in the title?
2769 2011-04-29 21:36:23 <edcba> i hope gavin won't go to USA to speak about bitcoin
2770 2011-04-29 21:36:28 <BlueMatt> yea title+pic+first couple paragraphs
2771 2011-04-29 21:36:39 <B0g4r7> Which is what most ppl read.
2772 2011-04-29 21:36:41 <BlueMatt> edcba: USA? he lives there
2773 2011-04-29 21:36:49 <edcba> oh ok then it's ok
2774 2011-04-29 21:36:58 <phantomcircuit> lol
2775 2011-04-29 21:37:02 <phantomcircuit> he's talking to the cia
2776 2011-04-29 21:37:02 <edcba> because usually invitation from usa land you to jail :)
2777 2011-04-29 21:37:04 <phantomcircuit> THE CIA
2778 2011-04-29 21:37:19 <phantomcircuit> i predict an influx of cia laundering operations
2779 2011-04-29 21:37:25 <edcba> haha
2780 2011-04-29 21:37:29 <B0g4r7> heg
2781 2011-04-29 21:37:31 <B0g4r7> heh
2782 2011-04-29 21:37:36 <Diablo-D3> [05:31:26] <B0g4r7> The jewz tryin to keep us down.
2783 2011-04-29 21:37:38 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: meh, people think they will shut us down. Thats not the cia, thats fbi. CIA just wants to know wtf bitcoin is to be ready when terrorists start using it
2784 2011-04-29 21:37:38 <Diablo-D3> fuck off dude
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2786 2011-04-29 21:38:04 <edcba> BlueMatt: i doubt 'terrorists' waited for CIA
2787 2011-04-29 21:38:13 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, and the fbi is much too busy looking at kiddy porn to do anything about it unless you poke them
2788 2011-04-29 21:38:18 <BlueMatt> edcba: yep, hence why the cia wants to know
2789 2011-04-29 21:38:29 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: yep, they wont care about bitcoin for a while
2790 2011-04-29 21:38:40 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: and we wont know until they arrest gavin
2791 2011-04-29 21:39:03 <edcba> ok now bitcoin has acquired bad reputation i can offer some grey-services over bitcoin lol
2792 2011-04-29 21:39:03 <phantomcircuit> i doubt they'd arrest him
2793 2011-04-29 21:39:17 <BitterTea> BlueMatt: Also the NSA
2794 2011-04-29 21:39:17 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, they're more incompetent than anything else
2795 2011-04-29 21:39:24 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: well if the fbi tries to shut bitcoin down, they will go after gavin
2796 2011-04-29 21:39:27 <BitterTea> They do domestic stuff too
2797 2011-04-29 21:39:28 <gekko_> Yesterday I predicted that BTC would hit $3.00.... it is at 2.95.... I call $4 by May 5.
2798 2011-04-29 21:39:34 <BitterTea> And Bitcoin seems more up their alley than the FBI
2799 2011-04-29 21:39:38 <edcba> they will propose him to put a backdoor maybe :)
2800 2011-04-29 21:39:43 <BlueMatt> they are incompetent in that they arrest gavin because they dont understand it
2801 2011-04-29 21:39:50 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, an FBI cyber crimes special agent living in NYC makes 85K/year, a security consultant for a bank makes 300k/year
2802 2011-04-29 21:39:53 <BlueMatt> they think arresting leaders will shut it down
2803 2011-04-29 21:40:14 <BitterTea> BlueMatt: I'm not sure they're that dumb... but perhaps
2804 2011-04-29 21:40:24 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: yep, they usually dont understand anything about the internet
2805 2011-04-29 21:40:32 <edcba> yes governments will have to align money if they want to rule internet
2806 2011-04-29 21:40:34 <BlueMatt> BitterTea: see: operation: in our sites
2807 2011-04-29 21:40:57 <BitterTea> Yeah but that's immigration and customs enforcement, IIRC
2808 2011-04-29 21:41:48 <BlueMatt> yea but they are both about as incompetent if the media companies tell them to do something
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2810 2011-04-29 21:42:20 <phantomcircuit> neat
2811 2011-04-29 21:42:24 <phantomcircuit> dnssec was turned on today
2812 2011-04-29 21:42:36 <BlueMatt> for what tld?
2813 2011-04-29 21:42:47 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, rDNS
2814 2011-04-29 21:42:50 <phantomcircuit> in the US
2815 2011-04-29 21:42:56 <BlueMatt> ah, nice
2816 2011-04-29 21:43:28 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: were you talking about http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/04/29/1948242/Department-of-Justice-FBI-Too-Focused-On-Child-Porn
2817 2011-04-29 21:44:15 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, yeah
2818 2011-04-29 21:44:24 <phantomcircuit> except i actually knew that already
2819 2011-04-29 21:44:47 <phantomcircuit> iirc their limit for investigating cyber crime is 300k USD in damages
2820 2011-04-29 21:44:48 <BlueMatt> heh, ok
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2823 2011-04-29 21:53:06 <ninjaneo> i wanna know who wants to work for the child porno department of DOJ
2824 2011-04-29 21:53:39 <ninjaneo> like "i wanna grow up to fight kiddy porn"
2825 2011-04-29 21:54:03 <ninjaneo> a noble cause, or means to an end
2826 2011-04-29 21:54:03 <ninjaneo> lol
2827 2011-04-29 21:54:11 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, i would assume they assign rookies to the cool stuff and then 2 years later BAM
2828 2011-04-29 21:54:15 <phantomcircuit> kiddie porn division
2829 2011-04-29 21:54:15 <dirtyfilthy> it's like pyromaniacs becoming firemen
2830 2011-04-29 21:54:25 <ninjaneo> lol yeah
2831 2011-04-29 21:54:51 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
2832 2011-04-29 21:54:52 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.95,"low":2.21,"vol":57231,"buy":2.73,"sell":2.7309,"last":2.7309}}
2833 2011-04-29 21:57:39 <alystair> wow
2834 2011-04-29 21:57:44 <alystair> that number keeps going up :|
2835 2011-04-29 21:57:59 <alystair> this will just further increase hording!
2836 2011-04-29 21:58:23 <alystair> we need a giant market crash to make everyone sell off their massive hidden away stashes of BC
2837 2011-04-29 21:58:28 <alystair> >;o
2838 2011-04-29 21:59:05 <ninjaneo> ha on the contrary rising prices will have people cashing out
2839 2011-04-29 21:59:09 <ninjaneo> good try tho
2840 2011-04-29 21:59:10 <ninjaneo> ;P
2841 2011-04-29 21:59:22 <alystair> I rather it crashes so I can buy everyone's stockpiles for cheap
2842 2011-04-29 21:59:27 <ninjaneo> lol
2843 2011-04-29 21:59:29 <alystair> then cash out later and retire on my secluded island
2844 2011-04-29 21:59:32 <alystair> :p
2845 2011-04-29 21:59:35 <ninjaneo> haha
2846 2011-04-29 21:59:54 * alystair might cash out at 5:1
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2848 2011-04-29 22:00:03 <alystair> I don't have much tho :/
2849 2011-04-29 22:00:04 <ninjaneo> yeah this market is crazy =o
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2851 2011-04-29 22:00:36 <alystair> maybe it's just that the USD is garbage now ;)
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2853 2011-04-29 22:01:15 <ninjaneo> merrill lynch doesn't have its phalus embedded in it yet
2854 2011-04-29 22:01:20 <ninjaneo> yay
2855 2011-04-29 22:01:21 <ninjaneo> lol
2856 2011-04-29 22:01:58 <ninjaneo> yay hyper inflation
2857 2011-04-29 22:02:20 <alystair> doesn't that mean one of the big hyper corps can swoop in and buy up all the current bitcoins for 5:1 easily
2858 2011-04-29 22:02:23 <alystair> then just ... destroy them
2859 2011-04-29 22:02:37 <alystair> for dirt cheap!
2860 2011-04-29 22:02:40 <ninjaneo> yeah but they would have no incentive to do so
2861 2011-04-29 22:03:07 <phantomcircuit> they would simply increase the value of everybody elses btc and lose their own usd
2862 2011-04-29 22:03:07 <ninjaneo> they would want to make money too ;)
2863 2011-04-29 22:03:12 <phantomcircuit> that would be stupid as hell
2864 2011-04-29 22:03:13 <alystair> they'd be squashing the currenty at the bud and would force a restart in generation
2865 2011-04-29 22:03:22 <alystair> at which point they could just hook up their own cluster and make 90% of the bc
2866 2011-04-29 22:03:26 <phantomcircuit> alystair, uh no
2867 2011-04-29 22:03:29 <BitterTea> alystair: The more they buy, the higher the price goes
2868 2011-04-29 22:03:35 <BitterTea> So the more they buy, the less they can buy
2869 2011-04-29 22:03:43 <phantomcircuit> alystair, there isn't enough btc for sale on the market to do that
2870 2011-04-29 22:04:10 <ninjaneo> yeah with a young market like this the money is in doing the work
2871 2011-04-29 22:04:25 <ninjaneo> and day trading
2872 2011-04-29 22:04:25 <ninjaneo> ;P
2873 2011-04-29 22:04:31 <alystair> there's currently ~$120k worth of BC on the market at the moment
2874 2011-04-29 22:05:07 <BitterTea> Where did you get that number from?
2875 2011-04-29 22:05:11 <Diablo-D3> heh
2876 2011-04-29 22:05:14 <BitterTea> The total volume TRADED today is $140k
2877 2011-04-29 22:05:17 <alystair> the current volume?
2878 2011-04-29 22:05:28 <alystair> oh
2879 2011-04-29 22:05:30 <alystair> that's only daily
2880 2011-04-29 22:05:38 <dirtyfilthy> i've been thinking about volatility... i reckon it'll only go down when price goes up and big stashes of bitcoin get redistributed through resale.
2881 2011-04-29 22:05:41 <phantomcircuit> alystair, sounds about right
2882 2011-04-29 22:06:50 <phantomcircuit> alystair, except it's wrong, currently on mtgox there's 44.2k USD in BTC for sale
2883 2011-04-29 22:07:21 <phantomcircuit> so if you tried to swoop in and buy it all you'd end up with <1% of minted btc and would instantly double the excahnge rate
2884 2011-04-29 22:07:23 <phantomcircuit> so yeah
2885 2011-04-29 22:07:29 <phantomcircuit> id love to see a bank try that one
2886 2011-04-29 22:07:42 <BitterTea> "Buy 11924.46 BTC for 44224.35 USD"
2887 2011-04-29 22:07:50 <BitterTea> according to the bitcoincharts calculatoor
2888 2011-04-29 22:07:54 <BitterTea> tcatm: Love the new updates btw
2889 2011-04-29 22:08:33 <tcatm> great. there'll be more calculators coming soon. (e.g. a currency converter)
2890 2011-04-29 22:10:47 <xelister> 3.00 the fuck
2891 2011-04-29 22:11:00 <xelister> ;;bc,ticker
2892 2011-04-29 22:11:01 <gribble> Error: "bc,ticker" is not a valid command.
2893 2011-04-29 22:11:02 <gjs278> you scared me
2894 2011-04-29 22:11:02 <xelister> ;;bc,tick
2895 2011-04-29 22:11:03 <gribble> Error: "bc,tick" is not a valid command.
2896 2011-04-29 22:11:06 <gjs278> I thought it was sell at 3.00
2897 2011-04-29 22:11:16 <xelister> ;;bc
2898 2011-04-29 22:11:16 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
2899 2011-04-29 22:11:18 <xelister> ;;bc,price
2900 2011-04-29 22:11:20 <gribble> Error: "bc,price" is not a valid command.
2901 2011-04-29 22:11:22 <xelister> ;;bc,mt
2902 2011-04-29 22:11:23 <gribble> Error: "bc,mt" is not a valid command.
2903 2011-04-29 22:11:24 <sipa> BitterTea, tcatm: where is that calculator?
2904 2011-04-29 22:11:25 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
2905 2011-04-29 22:11:26 <xelister> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
2906 2011-04-29 22:11:26 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.95,"low":2.21,"vol":57539,"buy":2.83,"sell":2.869,"last":2.83}}
2907 2011-04-29 22:12:02 <tcatm> sipa: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD_depth.html
2908 2011-04-29 22:13:02 <sipa> ah, nice!
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2911 2011-04-29 22:15:09 <vorlov> hello, anyone here?
2912 2011-04-29 22:17:03 <B0g4r7> Only 271 users.
2913 2011-04-29 22:17:11 <alystair> no one is here
2914 2011-04-29 22:17:16 <B0g4r7> Not really.
2915 2011-04-29 22:17:27 <BlueMatt> nope, Im not here either
2916 2011-04-29 22:17:34 <sipa> let me check
2917 2011-04-29 22:17:40 ArtForzZz is now known as ArtForz
2918 2011-04-29 22:17:42 <ArtForz> no, no one
2919 2011-04-29 22:17:43 <sipa> sorry, only my cat is here
2920 2011-04-29 22:18:11 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: how the fuck are you in germany if you wake up at midnight?
2921 2011-04-29 22:18:13 <ArtForz> checks... nope, not even my cat
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2923 2011-04-29 22:18:27 <ArtForz> actually I didnt wake up, I just got back from work
2924 2011-04-29 22:18:33 <ArtForz> well, about a hour ago
2925 2011-04-29 22:18:44 <BlueMatt> you work till 11?
2926 2011-04-29 22:19:02 <sipa> it's 0:14am in western europe now
2927 2011-04-29 22:19:02 <ArtForz> if the fuckwits in production mess up and we got a fixed delivery date, yes
2928 2011-04-29 22:19:18 * sipa misread - nvm
2929 2011-04-29 22:19:23 <BlueMatt> sucks
2930 2011-04-29 22:19:44 <BlueMatt> it just seems you are never online at reasonable times
2931 2011-04-29 22:19:56 <netxshare> ;;bc,next
2932 2011-04-29 22:19:56 <gribble> Error: "bc,next" is not a valid command.
2933 2011-04-29 22:19:59 <netxshare> e
2934 2011-04-29 22:20:00 <netxshare> r
2935 2011-04-29 22:20:24 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,stats
2936 2011-04-29 22:20:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120928 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 31 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 hours, 2 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 109745.79685703
2937 2011-04-29 22:20:32 <netxshare> eww
2938 2011-04-29 22:20:41 <BlueMatt> I dont remember
2939 2011-04-29 22:20:45 <BlueMatt> the actual command
2940 2011-04-29 22:21:01 alystair has left ()
2941 2011-04-29 22:21:02 <netxshare> ;;bc,timetonext
2942 2011-04-29 22:21:02 <gribble> 4 hours, 2 minutes, and 50 seconds
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2946 2011-04-29 22:21:45 <ArtForz> well, mostly I work from home, unless theres a important meeting or some kind of emergency
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2952 2011-04-29 22:24:07 <davex__> What's the highest you can overclock a 6990 without overvolting it?
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2954 2011-04-29 22:24:48 <xelister> ArtForz: you have a work outside of bitcoin?????
2955 2011-04-29 22:24:54 <ArtForz> yup
2956 2011-04-29 22:24:57 <xelister> is it yakuza
2957 2011-04-29 22:25:03 <ArtForz> nope
2958 2011-04-29 22:25:32 <ArtForz> mostly PLC stuff
2959 2011-04-29 22:25:41 <BlueMatt> I thought you run your own company?
2960 2011-04-29 22:26:17 <ArtForz> err, yes
2961 2011-04-29 22:26:19 <BitterTea> Is there any recourse if you accidentally send too much to ClearCoin?
2962 2011-04-29 22:26:28 <BitterTea> Well, sort of accidentally
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2964 2011-04-29 22:28:36 <vorlov> i have a question
2965 2011-04-29 22:28:43 <ArtForz> you do realize people can have a salaried job and run a business or 2 or 3 on the side?
2966 2011-04-29 22:29:01 <vorlov> can someone point me to a doc of where i can find the protocol for the data you get from "getwork"
2967 2011-04-29 22:29:02 <vorlov> ?
2968 2011-04-29 22:29:36 <vorlov> im trying to learn how the pocl and diablo work
2969 2011-04-29 22:29:42 <vorlov> and im getting lost
2970 2011-04-29 22:29:43 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: yes, didnt know that is what you did
2971 2011-04-29 22:30:06 <ArtForz> just a matter of managing your time and not signing work contracts with overreaching non-competes
2972 2011-04-29 22:31:05 <BlueMatt> yep
2973 2011-04-29 22:31:16 <vorlov> anyone?
2974 2011-04-29 22:32:00 <phantomcircuit> vorlov, sure one sec
2975 2011-04-29 22:32:06 <vorlov> thank you
2976 2011-04-29 22:32:19 <phantomcircuit> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)
2977 2011-04-29 22:32:29 <ArtForz> theres also rather simple example getwork miners in python and C
2978 2011-04-29 22:33:39 <ArtForz> one thing to watch out for, getwork data is little endian and the word order is reversed compared to normal sha256
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2980 2011-04-29 22:35:03 <vorlov> oh i understand that but im trying to understand where do i find the composition of
2981 2011-04-29 22:35:04 <vorlov> data
2982 2011-04-29 22:35:05 <vorlov> midstate
2983 2011-04-29 22:35:06 <vorlov> hash1
2984 2011-04-29 22:35:12 <vorlov> what they mean and what are they composed of
2985 2011-04-29 22:35:20 <BlueMatt> best bet is the example miners
2986 2011-04-29 22:35:24 <ArtForz> yep
2987 2011-04-29 22:35:26 <BitterTea> You'll probably have to look at some code to get that
2988 2011-04-29 22:35:32 <BlueMatt> there is no good reference afaik
2989 2011-04-29 22:35:40 <ArtForz> hard to describe that stuff without delving into sha256 internals
2990 2011-04-29 22:36:32 <vorlov> i see
2991 2011-04-29 22:36:42 <vorlov> the simple example getwork miner is where?
2992 2011-04-29 22:36:46 <vorlov> its not pocl is it?
2993 2011-04-29 22:36:46 <gat3way> ok I think I have currently the fastest miner for ATI cards
2994 2011-04-29 22:36:59 <gat3way> haven't tested hdminer though
2995 2011-04-29 22:36:59 <BlueMatt> no pocl is very optimized
2996 2011-04-29 22:37:04 <ArtForz> nope
2997 2011-04-29 22:37:06 <BlueMatt> Id look at jgarzik's cpuminer
2998 2011-04-29 22:37:14 <ArtForz> iirc theres a very simple CPU miner in python
2999 2011-04-29 22:37:17 <BlueMatt> ok somewhat optimized
3000 2011-04-29 22:37:23 <ArtForz> and jgarziks cpuminer in C
3001 2011-04-29 22:37:34 <vorlov> now i also see there is discussion about pushing getwork into the clients.. has anything been done with that? or is it talk for now?
3002 2011-04-29 22:37:39 <BlueMatt> well depends on what you read then
3003 2011-04-29 22:37:52 <BlueMatt> vorlov: some pools support it, and most miners do
3004 2011-04-29 22:38:29 <vorlov> is that setup with outside scripts or are there flags you can start the bitcoin daemon with that will produce pushes?
3005 2011-04-29 22:38:42 <BlueMatt> outside scripts
3006 2011-04-29 22:38:56 <BlueMatt> not mainline bitcoin anyway
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3009 2011-04-29 22:40:03 <sipa> gat3way: which miner do you have?
3010 2011-04-29 22:40:35 <gat3way> http://www.gat3way.eu/poc/hashkill-0.2.4-x86_64.tgz
3011 2011-04-29 22:40:49 <gat3way> it's an alpha yet
3012 2011-04-29 22:40:57 <vorlov> so you guys are setting up scripts to run and continually pool the bitcoin rpc with getworks and push it to your registered clients
3013 2011-04-29 22:40:57 <vorlov> ?
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3015 2011-04-29 22:41:50 <vorlov> is there a wiki page showing the structure of work["data"]
3016 2011-04-29 22:41:50 <vorlov> ?
3017 2011-04-29 22:42:06 <BitterTea> vorlov: You point the miner at a bitcoind instance and it gets work on its own, I believe
3018 2011-04-29 22:42:27 <BitterTea> Well, bitcoind instance or suitable proxy (like pooled mining software, or the mining proxy)
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3021 2011-04-29 22:44:25 <sipa> gat3way: segfault :)
3022 2011-04-29 22:44:44 <gat3way> shit
3023 2011-04-29 22:44:48 <gat3way> :)
3024 2011-04-29 22:45:04 <gat3way> instant or it printed out smth?
3025 2011-04-29 22:45:06 <sipa> do i need any special command line options?
3026 2011-04-29 22:45:27 <gat3way> hashkill-gpu -p bitcoin user:pass:host:port
3027 2011-04-29 22:46:58 <B0g4r7> vorlov, you could try to capture the traffic using wireshark.
3028 2011-04-29 22:47:12 <vorlov> i think im not asking my question clearly
3029 2011-04-29 22:47:14 <ArtForz> B0g4r7: thats pretty much useless
3030 2011-04-29 22:47:32 <vorlov> looking at the code it seems you guys all decode the data json returned from getwork
3031 2011-04-29 22:47:42 <vorlov> you take certain values out of it like at position 128 etc
3032 2011-04-29 22:47:54 <ArtForz> understand sha256, look at what the miners are doing, it's pretty damn obvious
3033 2011-04-29 22:47:55 <vorlov> and im trying to figure out where are you guys reading the spec on what is that data json representing
3034 2011-04-29 22:48:14 <B0g4r7> Not really.
3035 2011-04-29 22:48:24 <B0g4r7> I just took a peek with tcpdump, and it looks like regular JSON.
3036 2011-04-29 22:48:31 <ArtForz> it is
3037 2011-04-29 22:48:39 <ArtForz> it's just json carrying hex strings
3038 2011-04-29 22:48:54 <vorlov> i see
3039 2011-04-29 22:49:07 <sipa> [hashkill] Compiling OpenCL kernel source (amd_bitcoin.cl)[error] (ocl_bitcoin.c:923) clBuildProgram error (-11)
3040 2011-04-29 22:49:31 <vorlov> so what are the values that are inserted into your search function Art?
3041 2011-04-29 22:49:38 <vorlov> what is state[1], state[2] etc
3042 2011-04-29 22:49:39 <gat3way> what gpu you have?
3043 2011-04-29 22:49:49 <sipa> radeon hd 4870
3044 2011-04-29 22:49:53 <gat3way> ah
3045 2011-04-29 22:49:59 <sipa> 5xxx only?
3046 2011-04-29 22:50:03 <ArtForz> data is the block header to hash + standard sha padding
3047 2011-04-29 22:50:13 <gat3way> yeah, that's known problem - 4xxx codepath is fucked up for some reason
3048 2011-04-29 22:50:42 <gat3way> what sdk do you use?
3049 2011-04-29 22:50:44 <ArtForz> block header is simply 4B version, 32B hprevblock, 32B hmerkleroot, 4B timestamp, 4B nbits, 4B nonce
3050 2011-04-29 22:50:46 <gat3way> 2.4?
3051 2011-04-29 22:51:22 <phantomcircuit> i just finished ironing my jeans
3052 2011-04-29 22:51:24 <phantomcircuit> that felt weird
3053 2011-04-29 22:51:30 <ArtForz> now if you know sha256, you know it operates on 512 bit data blocks
3054 2011-04-29 22:51:45 <ArtForz> 80 bytes are > 512 bits, so it's padded to 1024 using standard padding
3055 2011-04-29 22:52:05 <B0g4r7> vorlov: here is my captured packets if it will help you.
3056 2011-04-29 22:52:08 <B0g4r7> http://pastebin.com/txPXBEVx
3057 2011-04-29 22:52:09 <ArtForz> as the nonce is in the second 512 bits of that, the first doesnt change while trying differet nonces
3058 2011-04-29 22:52:15 <ArtForz> so we only have to do the first block one
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3060 2011-04-29 22:52:17 <ArtForz> *once
3061 2011-04-29 22:52:27 <ArtForz> the sha256 state after doing that half is... midstate
3062 2011-04-29 22:53:31 <phantomcircuit> lol wait what the rpc protocol sends out the internal sha256 state?
3063 2011-04-29 22:53:32 <phantomcircuit> nice
3064 2011-04-29 22:53:39 <ArtForz> yes
3065 2011-04-29 22:54:01 <ArtForz> doesnt make much sense to have each miner do the work
3066 2011-04-29 22:54:16 <ArtForz> especially as it doesn't change if you only update ntime
3067 2011-04-29 22:54:40 <phantomcircuit> yeah but the calculation for each miner would be trivial
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3069 2011-04-29 22:54:57 <ArtForz> yes, it's arguable if it shoudl be in getwork
3070 2011-04-29 22:55:00 <B0g4r7> You enter his pp email address and it fills in the name?
3071 2011-04-29 22:55:06 <ArtForz> same for hash1 imo
3072 2011-04-29 22:55:08 <B0g4r7> ^ wrong window
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3074 2011-04-29 22:55:21 <vorlov> i think i need to do some reading up
3075 2011-04-29 22:55:24 <ArtForz> you really only need data and target
3076 2011-04-29 22:55:26 <vorlov> but im still a lil bit lost
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3079 2011-04-29 22:56:01 <ArtForz> I think one could write a getwork miner in about 20 lines of python
3080 2011-04-29 22:56:20 <phantomcircuit> a getwork cpu miner that is
3081 2011-04-29 22:56:23 <B0g4r7> do you have his pp email address? I can look it up that way.
3082 2011-04-29 22:56:23 <ArtForz> yep
3083 2011-04-29 22:56:25 <lianj> ArtForz: thanks, that helped me understand midstate :)
3084 2011-04-29 22:56:29 <B0g4r7> :facepalm:
3085 2011-04-29 22:56:52 <B0g4r7> I'm interested in writing a perl miner, as an exercise.
3086 2011-04-29 22:57:07 <ArtForz> the main idea would be to make the thing as obvious as possible
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3088 2011-04-29 22:57:15 <B0g4r7> So it takes data and tagret and does what with them?
3089 2011-04-29 22:57:16 <vorlov> im interested in writing a ruby miner
3090 2011-04-29 22:57:17 <vorlov> :)
3091 2011-04-29 22:57:22 <ArtForz> = no clever shortcuts
3092 2011-04-29 22:57:59 <ArtForz> you iterate nonce in data, do sha256(sha25&(data)), intepret the hash as a 256 bit Le integer, compare against target
3093 2011-04-29 22:58:31 <phantomcircuit> the interpretation would actually be the most tecnically challenging part
3094 2011-04-29 22:58:33 <ArtForz> if hash <= target, you got a solution, send back the block with that nonce value as data to getwork
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3096 2011-04-29 22:58:45 <ArtForz> phantomcircuit: in python?
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3098 2011-04-29 22:59:06 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, yeah, the built in struct module only goes up to 64 bit integers
3099 2011-04-29 22:59:24 <phantomcircuit> otherwise the entire thing could be 1 loc
3100 2011-04-29 22:59:36 <ArtForz> phantomcircuit: luckily it's 8 32 bit integers, and python happily converts ints to bigints if they get too big
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3102 2011-04-29 23:00:23 <phantomcircuit> oh right
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3104 2011-04-29 23:00:52 <ArtForz> so just bitshift and add ;)
3105 2011-04-29 23:00:57 <ArtForz> or or
3106 2011-04-29 23:01:24 <Sami345> Why it's double sha256?
3107 2011-04-29 23:01:44 <ArtForz> no one knows, probably to prevent theoretical length extension attacks or something
3108 2011-04-29 23:02:12 <gjs278> should have been triple
3109 2011-04-29 23:02:22 <ArtForz> should have been OVER 9000!!!!
3110 2011-04-29 23:02:27 <gjs278> he's right
3111 2011-04-29 23:02:38 <ArtForz> no wait, then it'd be PBKDF-SHA256 ;)
3112 2011-04-29 23:02:53 <vorlov> so now looking at jgarzik cpuminer
3113 2011-04-29 23:02:57 <phantomcircuit> well and any attack against sha256 is unlikely to work against a second round
3114 2011-04-29 23:03:07 <vorlov> he takes the hexstring and turns it into a binary store...
3115 2011-04-29 23:03:08 <vorlov> why?
3116 2011-04-29 23:03:27 <ArtForz> well, what are you supposed to do with hex ascii if you need the binary datza to feed to sha256?
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3118 2011-04-29 23:04:30 <vorlov> i realize my questions seem pretty dumb... but im trying to get my mind wrapped around it
3119 2011-04-29 23:04:30 <ArtForz> btw, by the fuck does the binascii module in pythons stdlib have hexlify/unhexlify if you have "hex" string en/decoder?
3120 2011-04-29 23:05:01 <ArtForz> binascii.unhexlify("deadbeef") == "deadbeef".decode("hex")
3121 2011-04-29 23:05:03 <vorlov> maybe i should start my question from the other way around, where can i find some reading material on how to compose a block?
3122 2011-04-29 23:05:17 <B0g4r7> So in my example on pastebin, "target":"000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000acb5000000000000"
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3124 2011-04-29 23:05:28 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, because there's no .encode
3125 2011-04-29 23:05:35 <ArtForz> there isn't?
3126 2011-04-29 23:05:56 <ArtForz> "abc".encode("hex")
3127 2011-04-29 23:05:56 <phantomcircuit> oh so there is
3128 2011-04-29 23:05:56 <ArtForz> '616263'
3129 2011-04-29 23:06:01 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, i have no idea
3130 2011-04-29 23:06:17 <B0g4r7> So a miner takes "data", does sha256 on it twice, and evaluates the resulting hash as a number. If it is less than target, a solution is found.
3131 2011-04-29 23:06:23 <ArtForz> yep
3132 2011-04-29 23:06:31 <ArtForz> well it also changes the nonce in data
3133 2011-04-29 23:06:40 <B0g4r7> And if a solution is not found, it does 2 more rounds on sha256 and checks again?
3134 2011-04-29 23:06:49 <B0g4r7> of
3135 2011-04-29 23:06:53 <ArtForz> yep, if no solution, it increments nonce and trys again
3136 2011-04-29 23:07:19 <phantomcircuit> lol
3137 2011-04-29 23:07:29 <phantomcircuit> jsonrpc for python appears to be a hilariously unstable extension
3138 2011-04-29 23:07:36 <B0g4r7> And nonce is 4 bytes?
3139 2011-04-29 23:07:37 <ArtForz> until it tried all 2**32 possible nonces or a certain time limit elapsed (usually 10 sec), then it sends a new getwork
3140 2011-04-29 23:07:41 <ArtForz> yes
3141 2011-04-29 23:07:54 <B0g4r7> That seems pretty simple.
3142 2011-04-29 23:08:01 <ArtForz> <ArtForz> block header is simply 4B version, 32B hprevblock, 32B hmerkleroot, 4B timestamp, 4B nbits, 4B nonce
3143 2011-04-29 23:08:01 <ninjaneo> but on average it would only check 50%
3144 2011-04-29 23:08:04 <vorlov> i think im even managing to follow so far
3145 2011-04-29 23:08:27 <B0g4r7> And if a solutiuon is found I guess it sends back the initial "data", along with the nonce used to find the solution?
3146 2011-04-29 23:08:45 <ArtForz> it replaces the nonce in initial "data" with the good one and sends that back as "data"
3147 2011-04-29 23:09:10 <B0g4r7> Cool.
3148 2011-04-29 23:09:13 <vorlov> how do u know the location of noonce in the "data"
3149 2011-04-29 23:09:14 <vorlov> ?
3150 2011-04-29 23:09:18 <B0g4r7> I'll have to write that perl miner now.
3151 2011-04-29 23:09:35 <ArtForz> you decode the hex "data", get 128 bytes
3152 2011-04-29 23:09:48 <B0g4r7> 6:46:18 PM: ArtForz: block header is simply 4B version, 32B hprevblock, 32B hmerkleroot, 4B timestamp, 4B nbits, 4B nonce
3153 2011-04-29 23:09:54 <phantomcircuit> rofl
3154 2011-04-29 23:09:55 <ArtForz> yep
3155 2011-04-29 23:10:06 <B0g4r7> It's bytes 77-80.
3156 2011-04-29 23:10:07 <phantomcircuit> the white iPhone is thicker than the black one
3157 2011-04-29 23:10:07 <vorlov> i see
3158 2011-04-29 23:10:08 <phantomcircuit> what
3159 2011-04-29 23:10:09 <phantomcircuit> the
3160 2011-04-29 23:10:10 <phantomcircuit> fuck
3161 2011-04-29 23:10:12 <ArtForz> it's just bytes 76-79 (counting from 0)
3162 2011-04-29 23:10:17 <vorlov> i see i see now
3163 2011-04-29 23:10:19 <vorlov> i understan
3164 2011-04-29 23:10:25 <ArtForz> ednianness is kinda weird
3165 2011-04-29 23:10:29 <ArtForz> *endianness
3166 2011-04-29 23:10:38 <ArtForz> getworks sends/expects LE data
3167 2011-04-29 23:10:43 <ninjaneo> i dont undestand why they cant produce a white iphone or a purple iphone or a green iphone
3168 2011-04-29 23:10:45 <ninjaneo> just as easily
3169 2011-04-29 23:10:53 <ArtForz> even though SHA256 works on BE data
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3171 2011-04-29 23:11:17 <ArtForz> I spent more time figuring out correct byteswapping than any other part of the getwork protocol
3172 2011-04-29 23:11:33 <vorlov> what about timestamp
3173 2011-04-29 23:11:36 <vorlov> am I supposed to change that
3174 2011-04-29 23:11:38 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, white plastic allows more light in, so they need to make it thicker than the black one
3175 2011-04-29 23:11:39 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, lulz
3176 2011-04-29 23:11:41 <ArtForz> mienr doesnt touch that
3177 2011-04-29 23:11:45 <ArtForz> *miner
3178 2011-04-29 23:11:46 <vorlov> or is that permanant according to when the tx was generated
3179 2011-04-29 23:11:46 <vorlov> ?
3180 2011-04-29 23:11:54 <ArtForz> it's set by the node
3181 2011-04-29 23:12:01 <vorlov> i see
3182 2011-04-29 23:12:02 <vorlov> ok
3183 2011-04-29 23:12:19 <ArtForz> it's also not a truely monotonic timestamp
3184 2011-04-29 23:12:24 <ninjaneo> LULZ
3185 2011-04-29 23:12:26 <vorlov> now wat does your search function do? sha256(sha256( ?
3186 2011-04-29 23:13:47 <ArtForz> search function: for getwork() nonce in range 0....fuckton: t = sha256(sha256(decoded_data[0:76] . nonce)).to_uint256(); if t < target (send gwetowrk response);
3187 2011-04-29 23:14:11 <omglolbbq1> is there an online mirror for the phoenix miner? (win)
3188 2011-04-29 23:15:20 <vorlov> ArtForz:.... slower.... please?
3189 2011-04-29 23:15:34 <phantomcircuit> vorlov, that would be plenty slow
3190 2011-04-29 23:15:44 <phantomcircuit> for getwork() nonce in range 0....fuckton: t = sha256(sha256(decoded_data[0:76] . nonce)).to_uint256(); sleep(1); if t < target (send gwetowrk response);
3191 2011-04-29 23:15:46 <phantomcircuit> is that better?
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3193 2011-04-29 23:16:31 <lianj> vorlov: http://l.uphnix.de/do_work.rb
3194 2011-04-29 23:17:05 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: heh
3195 2011-04-29 23:17:14 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, i couldn't help myself
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3197 2011-04-29 23:17:30 <Diablo-D3> but you dont sleep
3198 2011-04-29 23:17:37 <vorlov> lianj: thank you
3199 2011-04-29 23:17:42 <vorlov> this makes perfect sense
3200 2011-04-29 23:17:58 <vorlov> question is, what does Art's search function do in a miner that wants to utilize GPU?
3201 2011-04-29 23:18:05 <vorlov> does it do the shae256 twice?
3202 2011-04-29 23:18:11 <Diablo-D3> it does it once
3203 2011-04-29 23:18:15 <vorlov> oh ok
3204 2011-04-29 23:18:28 <Diablo-D3> getwork returns the state after the first sha256 already done
3205 2011-04-29 23:18:34 <vorlov> so basically one is supposed to run search(search(decoded_data[0:76] . noonce)
3206 2011-04-29 23:18:34 <vorlov> ?
3207 2011-04-29 23:18:37 <Diablo-D3> then a miner typically does additional optimizations after that
3208 2011-04-29 23:18:46 <vorlov> i see
3209 2011-04-29 23:18:47 <Diablo-D3> actually, vorlov
3210 2011-04-29 23:18:50 <Diablo-D3> just look at my miner
3211 2011-04-29 23:18:54 <Diablo-D3> or poclbm
3212 2011-04-29 23:18:58 <Diablo-D3> we both use art's ocl kernel
3213 2011-04-29 23:19:31 <vorlov> yes i've been studying them.... but couldn't make out how Art's kernel comes into the play... i didn't realize the data comes hashes already once
3214 2011-04-29 23:19:53 <vorlov> nor did i realize its a simple sha256 function translated into GPU SDK
3215 2011-04-29 23:20:03 <Diablo-D3> its done once, plus the first 4 rounds are torn apart
3216 2011-04-29 23:20:07 <Diablo-D3> and the last 3 are ignored
3217 2011-04-29 23:20:13 <ArtForz> its double-sha256 really
3218 2011-04-29 23:20:21 <ArtForz> notice it has more-or less 120 rounds
3219 2011-04-29 23:20:32 <ArtForz> second half of inner hash, outer hash
3220 2011-04-29 23:20:38 <sipa> 122, no?
3221 2011-04-29 23:20:40 <Diablo-D3> well, its half of a double
3222 2011-04-29 23:20:43 <Diablo-D3> er
3223 2011-04-29 23:20:50 <Diablo-D3> half of the first one
3224 2011-04-29 23:21:05 <Diablo-D3> since the first one has to be ran twice since its over 64 dick size units
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3226 2011-04-29 23:21:21 <vorlov> ok
3227 2011-04-29 23:21:31 <Diablo-D3> the whole thing takes 64*3 rounds
3228 2011-04-29 23:21:44 <vorlov> now what kind of optimizations do you guys do on the data then?
3229 2011-04-29 23:21:50 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin itself does the first 64, and hands us the midstate
3230 2011-04-29 23:22:04 <Diablo-D3> then art has figured out how to maximally shortcut the first few rounds
3231 2011-04-29 23:22:09 <gjs278> first you yell optimize this and then you whip your dick out on the keyboard
3232 2011-04-29 23:22:10 <Diablo-D3> and then we simply dont need the last 3
3233 2011-04-29 23:22:19 <phantomcircuit> it's 1.5 sha256 rounds
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3235 2011-04-29 23:22:28 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: well
3236 2011-04-29 23:22:30 <phantomcircuit> which is also an inaccurate statement
3237 2011-04-29 23:22:31 <phantomcircuit> lulz
3238 2011-04-29 23:22:36 <Diablo-D3> yeah thats... inaccurate.
3239 2011-04-29 23:22:46 <phantomcircuit> it's 1.5 sha256 operations
3240 2011-04-29 23:22:49 <Diablo-D3> its more like 2/3rd of a sha256(sha256())
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3242 2011-04-29 23:24:38 <phantomcircuit> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2115200&cid=35980302
3243 2011-04-29 23:24:40 <phantomcircuit> ahahaha
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3245 2011-04-29 23:25:46 Xenland has joined
3246 2011-04-29 23:25:53 <Xenland> Hello dev team
3247 2011-04-29 23:26:15 <d03boy> hi dev momma
3248 2011-04-29 23:26:46 <Xenland> I hope im in the right place, how do i get poclbm-mod to run on Ubuntu linux. I've succefully installed fglrx; (Im not sure about the status of ati stream sdk but no errors were reported)
3249 2011-04-29 23:26:54 <Xenland> When i run poclbm-mod i get no output
3250 2011-04-29 23:27:06 <Xenland> when i try to run the setup, it says i need py2exe which is for windows
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3270 2011-04-29 23:46:48 <cosurgi> anybody has a mirror of phoenix-1.3.tar.bz2 ?
3271 2011-04-29 23:46:59 <cosurgi> http://svn3.xp-dev.com/svn/phoenix-miner/files/phoenix-1.3.tar.bz2 isn't working.
3272 2011-04-29 23:47:04 <cosurgi> I wanted to try a new miner
3273 2011-04-29 23:47:21 <cosurgi> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6458.0;all
3274 2011-04-29 23:47:30 <cosurgi> http://svn3.xp-dev.com/svn/phoenix-miner/ isn't working either
3275 2011-04-29 23:48:17 <omglolbbq1> i was looking for that too corurgi
3276 2011-04-29 23:48:30 <omglolbbq1> the zip then, but itÅ on the same domain
3277 2011-04-29 23:48:40 <Diablo-D3> maybe its dead
3278 2011-04-29 23:48:43 * BurtyB has a copy somewhere
3279 2011-04-29 23:48:43 * Diablo-D3 hopes so
3280 2011-04-29 23:49:01 <cosurgi> BurtyB: version 1.3 ? can you put it online?
3281 2011-04-29 23:49:14 <omglolbbq1> that would be cool
3282 2011-04-29 23:49:15 <BurtyB> cosurgi yeah
3283 2011-04-29 23:49:29 <cosurgi> would be great :)
3284 2011-04-29 23:49:38 <omglolbbq1> burtyb, you have the zip too? for win
3285 2011-04-29 23:50:10 <BurtyB> cosurgi sorry I only have linux - http://dnshistory.org/dump/phoenix-1.3.tar.bz2
3286 2011-04-29 23:50:43 <omglolbbq1> maybe somebody else has the windows zip?
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3289 2011-04-29 23:51:47 <cosurgi> BurtyB: great, thanks a lot! I'll try it out
3290 2011-04-29 23:52:06 * BurtyB has found windows zip too I'll upload it
3291 2011-04-29 23:52:12 <kika> ArtForz: i heard you have most of the processing power of bitcoin network ?
3292 2011-04-29 23:52:14 <omglolbbq1> sweet tnx man
3293 2011-04-29 23:52:14 <vorlov> guys thank you for all explanations and examples
3294 2011-04-29 23:52:22 <vorlov> i gotta leave, but thanks ! ill be studying :)
3295 2011-04-29 23:52:25 <ArtForz> kika: doubtful
3296 2011-04-29 23:52:35 <kika> ArtForz: do you use pushpool ?
3297 2011-04-29 23:52:41 <ArtForz> nope
3298 2011-04-29 23:52:50 <kika> ArtForz: do you understand how miners work ?
3299 2011-04-29 23:53:01 <kika> internally
3300 2011-04-29 23:53:02 <ArtForz> yes, I wrote one or two
3301 2011-04-29 23:53:11 <Diablo-D3> kika: dude, he fucking wrote the kernel used by the two most used miners
3302 2011-04-29 23:53:14 <kika> ArtForz: are your miners open source?
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3304 2011-04-29 23:53:17 <ArtForz> nope
3305 2011-04-29 23:53:22 <kika> yea i saw he wrote the OpenCL code
3306 2011-04-29 23:53:29 <ArtForz> but I released the kernel used by my CL miner a few months ago
3307 2011-04-29 23:53:30 <kika> i was wondering if that OpenCL can still be more optimized?
3308 2011-04-29 23:53:35 <ArtForz> yes
3309 2011-04-29 23:53:47 <Diablo-D3> it can with one more step, but thats only useful on radeon 5/6xxx
3310 2011-04-29 23:53:53 <Diablo-D3> and its largely a hack
3311 2011-04-29 23:53:55 <kika> i was thinking to write instructions specicifically for each card, that might optimize it like 10 times ?
3312 2011-04-29 23:54:03 <Diablo-D3> kika: fuck no.
3313 2011-04-29 23:54:16 <Diablo-D3> how slow do you think opencl is?
3314 2011-04-29 23:54:23 <kika> Diablo-D3: which more step ? i have ati 6990
3315 2011-04-29 23:54:24 <sipa> kika: maybe 1% :)
3316 2011-04-29 23:54:36 <Diablo-D3> BFI_INT
3317 2011-04-29 23:54:41 <Diablo-D3> which has questionable usage
3318 2011-04-29 23:54:56 <BurtyB> cosurgi http://dnshistory.org/dump/phoenix-1.3.zip
3319 2011-04-29 23:54:56 <kika> Diablo-D3: so basically using BFI_INT on ati 6990 it will be faster
3320 2011-04-29 23:55:06 <ArtForz> yes, about 10%
3321 2011-04-29 23:55:08 <Diablo-D3> yes, about 5%.
3322 2011-04-29 23:55:18 <omglolbbq1> O_O
3323 2011-04-29 23:55:20 <B0g4r7> yes, about 23%
3324 2011-04-29 23:55:20 <B0g4r7> lol
3325 2011-04-29 23:55:21 <kika> so the fastest miner for 6990 would be the Diablo-D3
3326 2011-04-29 23:55:29 <ArtForz> after that, it's reordering shit to get as close to 100% utilization as possible
3327 2011-04-29 23:55:30 <Diablo-D3> kika: I dont do bfi_int on mine.
3328 2011-04-29 23:55:40 <kika> Diablo-D3 i saw the whole code for your miner and the code of artforz regarding the opencl kernel
3329 2011-04-29 23:55:58 <omglolbbq1> tnx burtyb
3330 2011-04-29 23:56:07 <kika> Diablo-D3: so phoenix will be faster for me right on an ati 6990 ?
3331 2011-04-29 23:56:13 <BurtyB> omglolbbq1 np
3332 2011-04-29 23:56:13 <Diablo-D3> kika: nope
3333 2011-04-29 23:56:19 <kika> Diablo-D3: i saw you run threads for each GPU
3334 2011-04-29 23:56:29 <Diablo-D3> phoenix is coded badly
3335 2011-04-29 23:56:46 <Diablo-D3> if you turn bfi_int off, its also slower than mine
3336 2011-04-29 23:56:50 <kika> Diablo-D3: basically you run threads for each GPU as i understand, and each threads gets work from the pool using rpc
3337 2011-04-29 23:56:56 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes.
3338 2011-04-29 23:57:11 <kika> Diablo-D3: now, you told me that it will re-fetch work from the pool
3339 2011-04-29 23:57:15 <kika> under 3 circunstances
3340 2011-04-29 23:57:23 <Diablo-D3> yes, this is typically how any miner is coded.
3341 2011-04-29 23:57:42 <kika> a number of certain hashes have been guesses i think you told me 2^256 times ?
3342 2011-04-29 23:57:49 <Diablo-D3> 2^32
3343 2011-04-29 23:57:57 <Diablo-D3> well, 2^31
3344 2011-04-29 23:58:11 <kika> and the other 2 circunstances? i think you told me once an attemt has been tried
3345 2011-04-29 23:58:21 <B0g4r7> I assume the miner maintains a 1-deep cache of work units so it doesn't gave to halt to fetch the next one, yes?
3346 2011-04-29 23:58:27 <kika> and once x secs have been passed?
3347 2011-04-29 23:58:27 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: no
3348 2011-04-29 23:58:34 <cosurgi> omglolbbq1: http://dnshistory.org/dump/phoenix-1.3.zip
3349 2011-04-29 23:58:35 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: this is another reason why I run multiple threads
3350 2011-04-29 23:58:35 <B0g4r7> rly?
3351 2011-04-29 23:58:37 <B0g4r7> why?
3352 2011-04-29 23:58:40 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: you cant
3353 2011-04-29 23:58:47 <cosurgi> BurtyB: I'm trying linux version already. I'll let you know :)
3354 2011-04-29 23:58:51 <Diablo-D3> cached attempts would be instantly stale
3355 2011-04-29 23:58:53 <cosurgi> how i tperforms
3356 2011-04-29 23:59:14 <B0g4r7> I don't understand.
3357 2011-04-29 23:59:24 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: the attempt depends on whats current.
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3359 2011-04-29 23:59:35 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: why would you mine on work that is no longer valid?
3360 2011-04-29 23:59:36 <B0g4r7> I can run like 10 miners against one bitcoind and they won't interfere, yes?
3361 2011-04-29 23:59:45 <Diablo-D3> they wont interfere, no
3362 2011-04-29 23:59:52 <Diablo-D3> but why mine on something thats not valid?
3363 2011-04-29 23:59:54 <B0g4r7> How does the work become invalid?
3364 2011-04-29 23:59:55 <kika> and once x secs have been passed? re-fetchs work a) 2^31 hashes have been tried b) an attemt was tried? c) x secs have been passed?