1 2011-05-02 00:00:16 <luke-jr> netxshare: yes
   2 2011-05-02 00:01:19 <purplezky> luke-jr: why is it that generations in your pool do not show up in mybitcoin accounts and from slush's pool they do ?
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   4 2011-05-02 00:01:37 <luke-jr> purplezky: slush's pool doesn't generate to you
   5 2011-05-02 00:01:44 <luke-jr> I don't know why mybitcoin is broken
   6 2011-05-02 00:02:29 <purplezky> oh you send them in the generated block, no delays ?
   7 2011-05-02 00:03:10 <luke-jr> purplezky: if you earn less than 1 BTC, it delays until you get at least that much
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  15 2011-05-02 00:09:11 <devrandom> sipa / BlueMatt - did you have to make any changes to get it building reliably?
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  17 2011-05-02 00:10:21 <devrandom> and, yay for another build :)
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  20 2011-05-02 00:11:22 <devrandom> ah, they are not here
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  23 2011-05-02 00:16:43 <gim> luke-jr: just curious, what was the problem with sub-BTC payments?
  24 2011-05-02 00:17:12 <sipa> devrandom: only increase the timeout
  25 2011-05-02 00:17:31 <luke-jr> gim: when you try to spend them, you get hit with big fees
  26 2011-05-02 00:17:32 <devrandom> ok... I'll increase it to 20 just in case
  27 2011-05-02 00:18:07 <gim> even if they are > 0.01 BTC ?
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  31 2011-05-02 00:18:58 <luke-jr> gim: depends on how much you're spending
  32 2011-05-02 00:20:31 <gim> ah, you have to merge them and it's the size of the transaction that is problematic?
  33 2011-05-02 00:20:57 <EPiSKiNG> anyone have a video card they want to part with?
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  35 2011-05-02 00:22:13 <gim> isn't it possible to merge them in several steps?
  36 2011-05-02 00:22:15 <luke-jr> gim: yeah
  37 2011-05-02 00:22:29 <luke-jr> gim: possible, but not convenient
  38 2011-05-02 00:22:40 <luke-jr> gim: and eventually, every transaction will require a fee
  39 2011-05-02 00:22:44 <luke-jr> so won't save any money
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  41 2011-05-02 00:23:23 <gim> if you're not in a hurry i think you can merge them for almost free
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  43 2011-05-02 00:24:19 <luke-jr> gim: right now
  44 2011-05-02 00:24:27 <gim> blocks are not so crowded these days :)
  45 2011-05-02 00:24:48 <luke-jr> I sent a transaction 5 hours ago and it still doesn't have any confirmations ;)
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  48 2011-05-02 00:31:36 <xelister> 3 BTC (or more?) to solve: How to have r5970 outputing video signal; Problem: on this box (GA-8I915G mobo) normally onboard damn intell gfx starts up. When I put in nv250gtx then it starts instead onboard, but not with r5970. How to make onboard not start or otherwise make r5970 work: output video signal (and run openGL/CL etc). I can ssh into the box. r5970 is in lspci and so on. Drivers are installed. PM me
  49 2011-05-02 00:32:36 <gjs278> don't plug the cord into the intel
  50 2011-05-02 00:32:40 <gjs278> and it wont start
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  53 2011-05-02 00:33:48 <xelister> gjs278: it starts anyway
  54 2011-05-02 00:34:03 <xelister> and yea, no option to disable it in bios (even flashed)
  55 2011-05-02 00:34:10 <xtr3m3_b00t3r> is anybody having problems running bitcoin from Ubuntu 11.04 ? I sure am :( Help?
  56 2011-05-02 00:34:38 <xelister> xtr3m3_b00t3r: works for me
  57 2011-05-02 00:35:52 <xtr3m3_b00t3r> xelister: did you just download the linux archive and run the binary blob?
  58 2011-05-02 00:36:07 <luke-jr> xelister: you can't really mine if it's outputting video
  59 2011-05-02 00:36:29 <xtr3m3_b00t3r> I thought it was a GUI app?
  60 2011-05-02 00:36:56 <xelister> luke-jr: huh?
  61 2011-05-02 00:37:21 <luke-jr> xelister: if you're mining on it, it's not usable for video
  62 2011-05-02 00:37:32 <xelister> by video I mean a desktop
  63 2011-05-02 00:37:37 <luke-jr> I do too
  64 2011-05-02 00:37:58 <luke-jr> I mean, I guess you could use one core for desktop/video and the other for mining
  65 2011-05-02 00:37:59 <xelister> bitch u'r crazy =)
  66 2011-05-02 00:38:08 <luke-jr> but I'd rather use both for mining, and integrated for video
  67 2011-05-02 00:38:17 <xelister> hm, should that work?
  68 2011-05-02 00:38:23 <luke-jr> that's how I do it
  69 2011-05-02 00:38:27 <sipa> same here
  70 2011-05-02 00:38:35 <xelister> what is your integrated, intel?
  71 2011-05-02 00:38:42 <luke-jr> Intel Sandy Bridge
  72 2011-05-02 00:38:43 <sipa> integrated is ati as well here
  73 2011-05-02 00:38:50 <purplezky> hmm how come i can use both gpu's for mining and still watch video ?
  74 2011-05-02 00:38:58 <luke-jr> purplezky: ⁇?
  75 2011-05-02 00:39:10 <luke-jr> purplezky: I can't even move the mouse until I stop mining
  76 2011-05-02 00:39:15 <luke-jr> unless I set like -f 200
  77 2011-05-02 00:39:19 <luke-jr> which mines SLOW
  78 2011-05-02 00:39:49 <xelister> so then X server is using the Intel graphics?
  79 2011-05-02 00:39:55 <xelister> on display :0
  80 2011-05-02 00:39:56 <purplezky> only when i do cpu mining then everything slows
  81 2011-05-02 00:40:00 <xelister> and how is mining working??
  82 2011-05-02 00:40:07 <xelister> you set display :1 for mining then or soemthing?
  83 2011-05-02 00:40:16 <luke-jr> xelister: well, I don't have a :0
  84 2011-05-02 00:40:17 <sipa> yes
  85 2011-05-02 00:40:20 <luke-jr> I use :1
  86 2011-05-02 00:40:23 <luke-jr> and :2 for mining
  87 2011-05-02 00:40:26 <xelister> hmmm
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  89 2011-05-02 00:40:38 <xelister> ok lets try your setup sia/luk
  90 2011-05-02 00:40:42 <xelister> sipa / luke-jr
  91 2011-05-02 00:40:47 <luke-jr> when I want to play PS2 games, I VNC to :2
  92 2011-05-02 00:41:04 <luke-jr> (and stop mining)
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  94 2011-05-02 00:43:36 <xelister> so how you do it?
  95 2011-05-02 00:43:44 <xelister> luke-jr:  can you post your's xorg.conf ?
  96 2011-05-02 00:43:47 <xelister> and sipa
  97 2011-05-02 00:44:10 <xelister> I'm on
  98 2011-05-02 00:44:13 <xelister> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0e)
  99 2011-05-02 00:44:13 <gjs278> xelister you don't want theirs
 100 2011-05-02 00:44:14 <xelister> 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 689c
 101 2011-05-02 00:44:19 <gjs278> just do aticonfig --initial crap
 102 2011-05-02 00:44:27 <luke-jr> xelister: ^
 103 2011-05-02 00:44:34 <luke-jr> xelister: then start it with: X -sharevts -novtswitch :2
 104 2011-05-02 00:45:07 <xelister> gjs278:  yeah I did it, didnt worked
 105 2011-05-02 00:45:12 <xelister> export SCREEN=:0 ;  aticonfig --odgt
 106 2011-05-02 00:45:13 <xelister> ERROR - X needs to be running to perform ATI Overdrive(TM) commands
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 108 2011-05-02 00:46:12 <xelister> luke-jr: hmm how? where do I input that
 109 2011-05-02 00:47:21 <xelister> just ssh into it and then run     X -sharevts -novtswitch :2    after killall X ?
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 112 2011-05-02 00:50:39 <luke-jr> xelister: why are you killing X?
 113 2011-05-02 00:51:11 <xelister> dunno.. wy not
 114 2011-05-02 00:52:09 <luke-jr> shrug
 115 2011-05-02 00:52:17 <luke-jr> did you do aticonfig --initial to config it?
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 117 2011-05-02 00:52:52 <xelister> sure
 118 2011-05-02 00:52:59 <xelister> I wrote a book on it, son
 119 2011-05-02 00:53:09 <xelister> just this intel crap is complicating the picture.
 120 2011-05-02 00:53:18 <luke-jr> wait. why are we helping someone who sends tx spam?
 121 2011-05-02 00:53:48 <xelister> >_>
 122 2011-05-02 00:53:59 <xelister> Im developing for bitcoin
 123 2011-05-02 00:54:26 <luke-jr> xelister: are not! where is my Polish translation file? :P
 124 2011-05-02 00:54:32 <luke-jr> anyhow, brb
 125 2011-05-02 00:55:01 <xelister> dont brb on me
 126 2011-05-02 00:55:06 <xelister> need to start this shit =)
 127 2011-05-02 00:56:24 <gjs278> just don't kill your x
 128 2011-05-02 00:56:28 <gjs278> that will be a huge plus
 129 2011-05-02 01:00:01 <luke-jr> back
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 132 2011-05-02 01:03:27 <xelister> luke-jr: btw, watched the CNN  interview about tonal replacing normal 10-radix systems I linked previously?
 133 2011-05-02 01:03:34 <luke-jr> xelister: no
 134 2011-05-02 01:03:45 <luke-jr> CNN is too stupid to figure that out
 135 2011-05-02 01:03:59 <xelister> http://tinyurl.com/yzfp8dt
 136 2011-05-02 01:04:36 <xelister> this is how I imagine noticible part of us people ;)
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 142 2011-05-02 01:21:26 <purplezky> ;;bc,stats
 143 2011-05-02 01:21:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121316 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 40 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 140914.80997366
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 146 2011-05-02 01:23:11 <yebyen> damn
 147 2011-05-02 01:23:20 <yebyen> i just sold almost 120 for 40btc
 148 2011-05-02 01:23:31 <yebyen> and i'm pissed
 149 2011-05-02 01:23:50 <yebyen> is it really going up to 4 again?
 150 2011-05-02 01:24:00 <yebyen> or way past, that would be much preferred
 151 2011-05-02 01:25:58 <purplezky> the only question is not if, but when it will go past 4 again
 152 2011-05-02 01:26:17 <yebyen> i remember havin 200btc
 153 2011-05-02 01:26:30 <yebyen> i would be in good shape now if i had not traded after then
 154 2011-05-02 01:27:14 LightRider is now known as LightRider|Away
 155 2011-05-02 01:27:59 <lfm> if you had not traded then maybe you tipped the market at that time so it would keep growing instead of crashing
 156 2011-05-02 01:29:38 <vorlov> ;;bc,mtgox
 157 2011-05-02 01:29:39 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.87,"low":2.5,"vol":47120,"buy":3.029,"sell":3.0991,"last":3.029}}
 158 2011-05-02 01:29:41 <xelister> luke-jr:  you here?
 159 2011-05-02 01:29:46 <xelister> sipa: you still here ;)?
 160 2011-05-02 01:30:15 <lfm> I'm not here.
 161 2011-05-02 01:30:25 <xelister> ERROR: No OpenCL platforms found
 162 2011-05-02 01:30:39 <xelister> Im starting the miner from ssh, after export DISPLAY=:2
 163 2011-05-02 01:30:40 <lfm> set environment vars
 164 2011-05-02 01:30:54 <lfm> for sdk
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 166 2011-05-02 01:31:19 <xelister> lfm: ofcourse they are set. if not, then it wpould be other error
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 170 2011-05-02 01:50:33 <xelister> luke-jr: yeah it just hangs
 171 2011-05-02 01:54:42 <luke-jr> xelister: did you start X with the command line args I said?
 172 2011-05-02 01:55:55 <xelister> yes
 173 2011-05-02 01:56:04 <xelister> now trying again
 174 2011-05-02 01:56:17 <xelister> system runs, fglrx installed and sdk too
 175 2011-05-02 01:56:26 <xelister> intel card is active, r5970 too
 176 2011-05-02 01:56:52 <xelister> # X -sharevts -novtswitch :2
 177 2011-05-02 01:57:22 <xelister> (EE) fglrx(0): PPLIB: PP_Initialize() failed.
 178 2011-05-02 01:57:23 <xelister> (EE) fglrx(0): PPLIB: PP_Initialize() failed.
 179 2011-05-02 01:57:34 <xelister> now I ssh into the box, or ssh -X to it?
 180 2011-05-02 01:58:08 <xelister> miner start with DISPLAY=:2 hangs there
 181 2011-05-02 01:58:36 <gjs278> you can use  athing called x11vnc
 182 2011-05-02 01:58:42 <gjs278> to vnc to the session that is already created
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 184 2011-05-02 01:59:04 <xelister> [   107.639] (II) fglrx(1): Adapter ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series has 1 configurable heads and 0 displays connected.
 185 2011-05-02 01:59:34 <xelister> gjs278: a bit hard creating the session blindly.  my intel is not working either, when Xorg is configured to use Radeon from aticonfig initial
 186 2011-05-02 01:59:51 <xelister> how to fix the displays line?
 187 2011-05-02 02:00:02 <gjs278> are you actively using a monitor on it
 188 2011-05-02 02:00:52 <xelister> killing X of intel is hard freezing the box
 189 2011-05-02 02:01:56 <xelister> gjs278: yes, monitor is attached
 190 2011-05-02 02:02:14 <xelister> oh wait, now intel output IS wokring.
 191 2011-05-02 02:02:52 <xelister> X -sharevts -novtswitch :2       dies
 192 2011-05-02 02:03:18 <xelister> (EE) intel(0): failed to get resources: Bad file descriptor
 193 2011-05-02 02:03:19 <xelister> (EE) intel(0): Kernel modesetting setup failed
 194 2011-05-02 02:03:31 <xelister> blargh.
 195 2011-05-02 02:03:45 <xelister> Fail to link to fglrx-libglx.so, please check whether driver is installed correctly         wtf.
 196 2011-05-02 02:03:50 <xelister> O_o
 197 2011-05-02 02:06:03 <gasteve> anyone know of any papers or information on algorithmic trading algorithms?  I would like to be able to accumulate, divest, or trade around a position algorithmically and would like to find some simple algorithms for doing that
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 199 2011-05-02 02:07:00 <Cusipzzz> the easy algos like vwap, implementation shortfall, etc. you can find info on - the complex algos, good luck, nobody publishes
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 202 2011-05-02 02:15:38 <luke-jr> xelister: keep in mind I do mining in a VM, so a totally different X config
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 212 2011-05-02 02:52:09 <luke-jr> xelister: holy crap
 213 2011-05-02 02:52:11 <luke-jr> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/technology/03bitcoin.html?_r=1&hpw
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 217 2011-05-02 02:57:28 <noagendamarket> the link isnt working ffs
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 219 2011-05-02 02:57:49 <SzeChun> hey guys
 220 2011-05-02 02:57:50 <SzeChun> sups
 221 2011-05-02 02:58:05 <tectonic> ello
 222 2011-05-02 02:59:04 <SzeChun> hey what do you guys think about trading stocks on a place like ebay or forum
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 225 2011-05-02 03:00:40 <JFK911> ebay auctions take a week
 226 2011-05-02 03:00:51 <JFK911> by accessing h&r block thru my compuserve account i can make a stock trade in 25 minutes
 227 2011-05-02 03:01:13 <SzeChun> yeah thats true
 228 2011-05-02 03:01:18 <SzeChun> but what i mean is like
 229 2011-05-02 03:01:24 <SzeChun> trading stocks for bit coins
 230 2011-05-02 03:01:26 <SzeChun> and vise versa
 231 2011-05-02 03:01:54 <nanotube> SzeChun: how do you transfer them?
 232 2011-05-02 03:02:00 <nanotube> the stocks that is. bitcoins are easy :)
 233 2011-05-02 03:02:07 <SzeChun> legally which is through contracts
 234 2011-05-02 03:02:28 <SzeChun> i dunno
 235 2011-05-02 03:02:31 <SzeChun> what do you guys think
 236 2011-05-02 03:03:10 <SzeChun> its an idea i've been playing around with but i want to see how the community reacts with it
 237 2011-05-02 03:04:49 <SzeChun> ? :o
 238 2011-05-02 03:06:52 <noagendamarket> glbse.com
 239 2011-05-02 03:07:14 <noagendamarket> theres an app for that
 240 2011-05-02 03:07:27 <noagendamarket> in fact it just had its first ipo
 241 2011-05-02 03:07:38 <SzeChun> yeah i know about glbse
 242 2011-05-02 03:07:54 <SzeChun> but i was thinking of creating a alternate place to buy/sell stocks
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 245 2011-05-02 03:12:39 <noagendamarket> SzeChun that explains your motives
 246 2011-05-02 03:12:49 <SzeChun> uh
 247 2011-05-02 03:12:50 <SzeChun> what?
 248 2011-05-02 03:12:56 <noagendamarket> for posting shit in the forum
 249 2011-05-02 03:13:02 <noagendamarket> regarding glbse
 250 2011-05-02 03:13:05 <SzeChun> what did i post?
 251 2011-05-02 03:13:18 <SzeChun> you know i got this idea from that lol
 252 2011-05-02 03:13:22 <noagendamarket> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6500.msg102623;boardseen#new
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 254 2011-05-02 03:13:30 <Xenland> bit coins for the poor?
 255 2011-05-02 03:13:34 <SzeChun> yeah i was thinking of a legal way to sell/buy stocks
 256 2011-05-02 03:14:35 <SzeChun> i dont think my posts were that insulting or false
 257 2011-05-02 03:14:39 <SzeChun> sorry if you guys felt that way
 258 2011-05-02 03:14:51 <Xenland> i kid, i kid whats up chat
 259 2011-05-02 03:14:58 <SzeChun> nm u?
 260 2011-05-02 03:15:21 <Xenland> super bored. Looking for alternative ways of getting bitcoins. I tried looking towards the wiki to add to but it looks like everything is covered
 261 2011-05-02 03:15:37 <Xenland> How do you guys get bitcoins besides mining of course
 262 2011-05-02 03:16:22 <MagicalTux> Xenland, you can sell stuff for bitcoins, or directly buy bitcoins
 263 2011-05-02 03:16:46 <SzeChun> oh goes its magical tux
 264 2011-05-02 03:16:58 <SzeChun> dude magicaltux i have a question
 265 2011-05-02 03:17:10 <MagicalTux> mh?
 266 2011-05-02 03:17:13 <Xenland> Hmmm i'll have to look for stuff to sell now that i think about it
 267 2011-05-02 03:17:18 <SzeChun> what do you do with all those bitcoins
 268 2011-05-02 03:17:55 <MagicalTux> all those bitcoins?
 269 2011-05-02 03:18:03 <SzeChun> yeah the ones you get from mtgox
 270 2011-05-02 03:18:08 <SzeChun> you know fees
 271 2011-05-02 03:18:21 <MagicalTux> for now they are accumulated in a secret and dark place :p
 272 2011-05-02 03:18:28 <SzeChun> lol!
 273 2011-05-02 03:18:29 <Xenland> hehe
 274 2011-05-02 03:18:42 <SzeChun> dude why dont you do like a lending program
 275 2011-05-02 03:18:51 <MagicalTux> we use those to pay people who work for mtgox
 276 2011-05-02 03:19:07 <SzeChun> lend people bitcoins so they can invest it back into the mtgox
 277 2011-05-02 03:19:11 <SzeChun> if you get what i mean
 278 2011-05-02 03:19:38 <SzeChun> yeah but its only for people who work for mtgox
 279 2011-05-02 03:19:51 <MagicalTux> :p
 280 2011-05-02 03:20:01 <Xenland> MagicalTux, Do you think it would help to have a "Front" server to lighten the load. I know I like to go to Mtgox just to see what the rate is every hour, Im usre others do the same. Do you think it would help to have a server that provides bandwidth for just the front page?
 281 2011-05-02 03:20:03 <SzeChun> im talking about giving people some bit coins so they can tyr to make more money off of it
 282 2011-05-02 03:20:34 <MagicalTux> like margin trading? :p
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 285 2011-05-02 03:21:35 <SzeChun> yeah kinda like that lol
 286 2011-05-02 03:21:55 <SzeChun> its what i would do if i owned mtgox
 287 2011-05-02 03:22:17 <MagicalTux> it's being worked on
 288 2011-05-02 03:22:43 <SzeChun> cool
 289 2011-05-02 03:22:53 <lfm> SzeChun: the faucet gives people bitcoins
 290 2011-05-02 03:22:59 <SzeChun> really?
 291 2011-05-02 03:23:15 <Xenland> 0.05 btc
 292 2011-05-02 03:23:33 <SzeChun> cool
 293 2011-05-02 03:23:39 <SzeChun> im signng up for it
 294 2011-05-02 03:23:47 <lfm> go wild
 295 2011-05-02 03:24:01 <SzeChun> oh yeah tux do you have a background in finance?
 296 2011-05-02 03:25:27 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
 297 2011-05-02 03:25:47 <SzeChun> btw thanks lfm
 298 2011-05-02 03:25:50 <Xenland> How do i securely sell my stuff for bitcoins
 299 2011-05-02 03:26:40 <lfm> xenland get paid first? Of course then they gotta trust you
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 301 2011-05-02 03:27:33 <SzeChun> so when did bit coins actually start?
 302 2011-05-02 03:27:34 <Xenland> Indeed how do you build trust with anonomouse transactions like this
 303 2011-05-02 03:27:49 <SzeChun> xenland why dont you look up sites where theres a marketplace
 304 2011-05-02 03:27:56 <lfm> Xenland: or get a escrow that you both can trust like someone in bitcoin-otc
 305 2011-05-02 03:28:26 <lfm> SzeChun: Satoshi made the first bitcoins in jan 2009
 306 2011-05-02 03:28:48 <SzeChun> ah so its been going on for quite a while now
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 308 2011-05-02 03:29:05 <SzeChun> its pretty wierd how i dont see much of a japanese community
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 311 2011-05-02 03:29:21 <lfm> well the first year there wasnt much happening I guess,. they were refining the software and stuff
 312 2011-05-02 03:29:39 <SzeChun> so its only been around for like a year
 313 2011-05-02 03:30:23 <lfm> well depends how you count it of course
 314 2011-05-02 03:31:36 <SzeChun> yeah it started as in it picked off a year ago
 315 2011-05-02 03:31:53 <SzeChun> pretty impressive for something only a year old
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 323 2011-05-02 04:14:56 <Sam__> Hello
 324 2011-05-02 04:15:02 <Sam__> Anybody here?
 325 2011-05-02 04:15:12 <lfm> hi
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 327 2011-05-02 04:16:11 <Sam__> Where, and what do I do for pool mining?
 328 2011-05-02 04:16:50 <Sam__> I want to help mining bit coins
 329 2011-05-02 04:18:43 <lfm> well I may not be the best one to ask about that cuz I dont do pool mining and I probably never will. you can just mine solo and hope, but if you want to pool min just choose a pool and some of the pools have their own web sites even or read the forums about pools
 330 2011-05-02 04:20:06 <luke-jr> Sam__: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6667.0;all
 331 2011-05-02 04:20:47 <lfm> Sam__: ok theres one of them to choose from
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 333 2011-05-02 04:22:19 <lfm> hehe ok I hope he saw some of that
 334 2011-05-02 04:24:41 <CIA-30> bitcoin: genjix exper * re61d64..11df22 intersango/ (23 files in 4 dirs): (9 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3dynz2e
 335 2011-05-02 04:29:03 <x5x> luke-jr, what was that nyt link u posted
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 339 2011-05-02 04:32:24 <amiller> luke-jr be trollin
 340 2011-05-02 04:32:36 <x5x> doh
 341 2011-05-02 04:33:25 <luke-jr> :D
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 344 2011-05-02 04:38:34 <kika> jgarzi: which miners do you know that works with pushpoold other than minerd?
 345 2011-05-02 04:39:03 <kika> jgarzik:
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 347 2011-05-02 04:39:44 <luke-jr> kika: everything but ufasoft it seems
 348 2011-05-02 04:39:56 <luke-jr> jgarzik: got my patches?
 349 2011-05-02 04:39:58 <kika> luke-jr: did you test everything?
 350 2011-05-02 04:40:02 <bernie> hey, has anyone ever got the bitcoin client to start, but fail to open its main window?
 351 2011-05-02 04:40:02 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yep
 352 2011-05-02 04:40:12 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
 353 2011-05-02 04:40:13 <gribble> 15791163.0916
 354 2011-05-02 04:40:14 <kika> luke-jr: because only minerd is working for me
 355 2011-05-02 04:40:16 <jgarzik> bernie: that's called the bitcoin daemon
 356 2011-05-02 04:40:20 <bernie> it otherwise appears to work regularly
 357 2011-05-02 04:40:21 <luke-jr> kika: 15 GH worth at least
 358 2011-05-02 04:40:48 <luke-jr> bernie: I think someone had that problem on latest Ubuntu
 359 2011-05-02 04:40:50 <kika> luke-jr: so you tested pushpoold under a 15Ghash/s load?
 360 2011-05-02 04:40:56 <luke-jr> kika: it is under that load now
 361 2011-05-02 04:40:58 <jgarzik> kika: I have
 362 2011-05-02 04:41:15 <bernie> jgarzik: i was sure i built it with wx enabled... i debugged it for a while and it calls CreateMainWindow() at some point
 363 2011-05-02 04:41:22 <kika> jgarzik: so diablominer, phoenix, poclbm should work with pushpoold?
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 365 2011-05-02 04:41:35 <jgarzik> kika: plenty of poclbm/high powered CAL/custom miners pointed at it, with lucrative success :)
 366 2011-05-02 04:41:38 <jgarzik> kika: yes
 367 2011-05-02 04:41:39 <bernie> luke-jr: i'm also using the latest ubuntu, and wx 2.9.1 built from sources.
 368 2011-05-02 04:41:51 <jgarzik> bernie: strange
 369 2011-05-02 04:42:01 <luke-jr> bernie: sorry, I don't know details
 370 2011-05-02 04:42:02 <doublec> bernie: sometimes it takes up to 1 minute for the gui to appear for me
 371 2011-05-02 04:42:13 <luke-jr> bernie: you're welcome to use Spesmilo ;)
 372 2011-05-02 04:42:33 <doublec> bernie: I assume it's doing some validation or something regarding the wallet/blockchain before the gui appears
 373 2011-05-02 04:42:34 <bernie> doublec: ok i'll wait a bit
 374 2011-05-02 04:43:12 <bernie> luke-jr: Spesmilo?
 375 2011-05-02 04:43:27 <luke-jr> bernie: PySide Bitcoin client
 376 2011-05-02 04:44:03 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Spesmilo
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 378 2011-05-02 04:45:02 <kika> anyone here is willing to help me debug pushpoold to see if i setup it properly? ill provide username, password, ip, port so you can connect your miners
 379 2011-05-02 04:45:29 <kika> jgarzik: i sent you on github a blkmond bug, but no answer :(
 380 2011-05-02 04:45:44 <kika> jgarzik: blkmond crashes sometimes
 381 2011-05-02 04:46:03 * jgarzik <-- well tanned from avoiding all computers
 382 2011-05-02 04:46:24 <jgarzik> or programming, at least
 383 2011-05-02 04:46:46 <jgarzik> just got back from the beach today
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 385 2011-05-02 04:47:32 <lfm> now theres a market, a tanning light periferal for your laptop
 386 2011-05-02 04:48:06 <lfm> plug into usb, ya know?
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 389 2011-05-02 04:49:59 <SzeChun> lfm you play games?
 390 2011-05-02 04:50:09 <lfm> some games
 391 2011-05-02 04:50:30 <SzeChun> oh like what?
 392 2011-05-02 04:51:01 <SzeChun> i was wondering if people here would like to play on steam togethor or something
 393 2011-05-02 04:51:18 <lfm> oh no thanks
 394 2011-05-02 04:51:42 <SzeChun> lol you dont want people to know your steam id?
 395 2011-05-02 04:51:52 <lfm> i dont have one
 396 2011-05-02 04:52:08 <lfm> not my sort of games
 397 2011-05-02 04:52:28 <SzeChun> well steam is more like a online game stop
 398 2011-05-02 04:52:41 <SzeChun> did you like flash games?
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 400 2011-05-02 04:53:26 <SzeChun> hey can i ask a question?
 401 2011-05-02 04:54:55 <lfm> that is a question
 402 2011-05-02 04:54:57 <nanotube> no questions allowed here. this is irc.
 403 2011-05-02 04:54:58 <nanotube> :)
 404 2011-05-02 04:55:23 <bk128> lfm: minecraft?
 405 2011-05-02 04:55:25 <SzeChun> lol you facists!
 406 2011-05-02 04:55:38 <lfm> you only get one and you wasted it
 407 2011-05-02 04:55:52 <SzeChun> can i buy more with btc?
 408 2011-05-02 04:56:06 <lfm> more what
 409 2011-05-02 04:56:12 <SzeChun> questions lol
 410 2011-05-02 04:56:31 <lfm> oh, steam doesnt accept bitcoin (yet)
 411 2011-05-02 04:57:01 <SzeChun> well its going to be hard to get any credible retail store to accept btc
 412 2011-05-02 04:57:05 <nanotube> SzeChun: sure, 1btc per question. :) send to ,,botsnack :)
 413 2011-05-02 04:57:05 <gribble> Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)
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 415 2011-05-02 04:57:11 <SzeChun> lol!
 416 2011-05-02 04:57:32 <noagendamarket> http://ask.witcoin.com
 417 2011-05-02 04:57:36 <noagendamarket> :)
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 419 2011-05-02 04:59:08 <SzeChun> apparantly osama's dead
 420 2011-05-02 04:59:22 <lfm> ya, as someone pointed out the other day most serious business wouldnt wanna fool with bitcoin when their value is so erratic
 421 2011-05-02 04:59:36 <SzeChun> indeed
 422 2011-05-02 04:59:51 <SzeChun> but i think it would be a real turning point for a credible retail to accept bit coins
 423 2011-05-02 05:00:45 <bernie> Created new window in existing browser session.
 424 2011-05-02 05:00:45 <bernie> Warning: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
 425 2011-05-02 05:00:45 <bernie>   Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
 426 2011-05-02 05:00:45 <bernie>   Resource id:  0x28edf3a
 427 2011-05-02 05:01:00 <bernie> ok, now it's clear why the window is not coming up
 428 2011-05-02 05:01:11 <dishwara> when i try to open http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/pool/blocks/?C=M;O=A in IE , it asks open/save & open keeps on repeating, but chrome opens perfectly with out asking. Anyone have anyidea why Internet Explorer not opening?
 429 2011-05-02 05:01:42 <lfm> I didnt know anyone still used ie
 430 2011-05-02 05:01:58 <dishwara> I mean .json not supported by IE default?
 431 2011-05-02 05:02:40 <SzeChun> why cant you just use chrome then?
 432 2011-05-02 05:03:18 <dishwara> just want to know why the problem with IE
 433 2011-05-02 05:04:20 <dishwara> & also Firefox
 434 2011-05-02 05:04:21 <gribble> Error: "also" is not a valid command.
 435 2011-05-02 05:05:40 <lfm> your trying to open a file with .json extension, needs a plugin
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 438 2011-05-02 05:09:57 <SzeChun> so what do you guys think about an escrow service that allows you to buy/sell businesses in btc?
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 441 2011-05-02 05:12:48 <dishwara> escrow service already there, runs by gavin
 442 2011-05-02 05:13:14 <lfm> SzeChun: if you are thinking very large amounts like what businesses are worth it might be too big for bitcoin. a million dollar txn would be pretty hard to pull off in bitcoin right now. maybe in a while when bitcoin is worth a lot more and has a lot more volume
 443 2011-05-02 05:15:19 <SzeChun> hmmm thats true
 444 2011-05-02 05:15:36 <dishwara> clearcoin by https://clearcoin.appspot.com/?from=signature
 445 2011-05-02 05:15:43 <SzeChun> i was thinking people would just sell or buy chunks of businesses
 446 2011-05-02 05:15:50 <dishwara> by gavin himself
 447 2011-05-02 05:15:59 <SzeChun> and it would be in a legitimate form so external investors would feel more confident
 448 2011-05-02 05:16:22 <SzeChun> cool stuff
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 457 2011-05-02 05:45:01 <iFail> Hello, I've installed on a Ubuntu VM (not expecting a huge khash/s) but I'm getting a steady 0 :-( - what am I doing wrong?
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 461 2011-05-02 05:49:40 <luke-jr> iFail: trying to mine on CPU = wrong
 462 2011-05-02 05:50:01 <iFail> yes, but it should still be > 0
 463 2011-05-02 05:50:08 <iFail> an i3 was just under 2000
 464 2011-05-02 05:50:21 <iFail> a supermicro with all 8 cores should beat it
 465 2011-05-02 05:51:05 <iFail> unless that was off of my onboard gfx? Or am I failing more than normal
 466 2011-05-02 05:51:35 <luke-jr> get cpuminer
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 468 2011-05-02 05:51:46 <luke-jr> use sse2_64 algo
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 470 2011-05-02 05:53:32 <iFail> OK, will have a look
 471 2011-05-02 05:58:55 <iFail> One last Q, I run several mobile data centers that deal with grabbing video and processing, due to the nature of the business I only run at events so the machines (8 core with 5970s, over 380 machines in total) but have very limited bandwidth on off event days. On the off days we can be limited to sharing a 1mb line between half of the machines, would that kind of limited bandwidth cause a major issue?
 472 2011-05-02 05:59:23 <iFail> sorry, the machines are out of use for most of week but 'on' - missed a chunk of a sentence... it's early
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 474 2011-05-02 06:00:14 <[Tycho]> Traffic is low.
 475 2011-05-02 06:00:49 <iFail> that's a handsome looking answer, thankyou
 476 2011-05-02 06:01:15 <tcatm> two 5970 per machine?
 477 2011-05-02 06:01:31 <iFail> only one, i meant 5970s in them
 478 2011-05-02 06:01:40 <iFail> not many per machine, i wish
 479 2011-05-02 06:02:04 <tcatm> ;;bc,gen 220000000
 480 2011-05-02 06:02:07 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 220000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 2017.70743854 BTC per day and 84.0711432724 BTC per hour.
 481 2011-05-02 06:02:29 <tectonic> which is a fair amount of money right now
 482 2011-05-02 06:02:40 <iFail> In reality access wont be 24x7
 483 2011-05-02 06:02:46 <iFail> I would lose 2 whole days at least
 484 2011-05-02 06:02:51 <tcatm> better get them online soon. 2017 BTC => $6000/day
 485 2011-05-02 06:02:54 <iFail> due to travel to the events
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 487 2011-05-02 06:03:31 <iFail> and i couldn't have the processing during the events :)
 488 2011-05-02 06:04:41 <iFail> thanks for your help
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 491 2011-05-02 06:07:33 <jrabbit> http://www.kitcosilver.com/charts/24hoursspot.html
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 549 2011-05-02 08:20:36 <dishwara> Just now i saw heard bin laden killed
 550 2011-05-02 08:20:59 <lfm> ya someone else said he was dead too here
 551 2011-05-02 08:21:07 <dishwara> may be that made a network traffic which resulted for mtgox
 552 2011-05-02 08:21:15 <dishwara> obama confirmed it
 553 2011-05-02 08:21:33 <dishwara> i mean obama confirmed bin laden dead
 554 2011-05-02 08:21:49 <lfm> natural causes?
 555 2011-05-02 08:22:03 <dishwara> so, bin laden can't use bitcoin for his terrorist activity
 556 2011-05-02 08:22:21 <dishwara> killed by US army in 40 min fight
 557 2011-05-02 08:22:36 <lfm> oh ok
 558 2011-05-02 08:22:41 <gjs278> bin laden was buying the coins up to $4
 559 2011-05-02 08:23:01 <lfm> no one gets the reward money then
 560 2011-05-02 08:23:04 <gjs278> also paypal closed coincard noooooo
 561 2011-05-02 08:23:20 <bk128> paypal ruins everything
 562 2011-05-02 08:23:20 <lfm> whats coincard?
 563 2011-05-02 08:23:25 <dishwara> osama lived in a MASION with 7 feet foot in a city auttudabad in pakistan for 5 YEARS
 564 2011-05-02 08:23:36 <gjs278> coincard did direct btc to paypal transfers
 565 2011-05-02 08:23:45 <dishwara> he didnt used phone, internet......except courier
 566 2011-05-02 08:24:11 <dishwara> so, he may never heard bitcoin, too bad
 567 2011-05-02 08:24:45 <gjs278> it owned
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 569 2011-05-02 08:36:04 <RenaKunisaki> lfm no one gets the reward money then  <-- convenient :p
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 579 2011-05-02 09:16:03 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
 580 2011-05-02 09:16:04 <gribble> 121389
 581 2011-05-02 09:16:09 <sipa> ;;bc,diff
 582 2011-05-02 09:16:09 <gribble> 109670.13329248
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 587 2011-05-02 09:28:37 <quellhorst> paypal is with the terrorists
 588 2011-05-02 09:28:56 <BlueMatt> yep
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 596 2011-05-02 09:54:49 <cosurgi> luke-jr: your pool is quite nice.
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 598 2011-05-02 09:55:08 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I am getting correct amounts.
 599 2011-05-02 09:56:52 <TD> luke-jr: nice work on the authentication. using payout address as username makes a ton of sense.
 600 2011-05-02 09:58:04 <BlueMatt> lol binladen's hideout was right next to a police station in pakistan
 601 2011-05-02 09:58:20 <TD> does make you wonder, doesn't it
 602 2011-05-02 09:58:28 <TD> http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=11196890339658103699&q=osama+bin+laden's+compound,+abbottabad,+pakistan&hl=en&view=feature&mcsrc=google_reviews&num=10&start=0&ie=UTF8&ll=34.18846,73.24081&spn=0,0&t=h&z=19
 603 2011-05-02 09:59:09 <BlueMatt> yea
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 628 2011-05-02 10:36:10 <cosurgi> is it possible with `bitcoind getinfo` get a list of last block generations?
 629 2011-05-02 10:36:34 <cosurgi> I would avoid launching GUI client to see new generations in luke-jr pool.
 630 2011-05-02 10:38:02 <sipa> listtransactions shows immature generations since 0.3.21
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 634 2011-05-02 10:40:09 <lianj> cosurgi: not sure if this helps, http://oku.heroku.com/bitcoin-pools/luke-jr
 635 2011-05-02 10:42:44 <BlueMatt> lianj: that your script?
 636 2011-05-02 10:43:57 <sipa> nice, so now i can estimate how much hashing power those addresses have
 637 2011-05-02 10:44:12 <sipa> and trace where the coins generated by them go
 638 2011-05-02 10:46:21 <lianj> BlueMatt: yes, i had the same need
 639 2011-05-02 10:46:38 <BlueMatt> can you post the script?
 640 2011-05-02 10:46:53 <lianj> yikes, its ugly :D
 641 2011-05-02 10:47:22 <CIA-30> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rdbe89d3 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Moved spam debug to -dd, fixed bug wrt LP on lukejr's pool's non-compliance with HTTP spec - http://bit.ly/mh7WTW
 642 2011-05-02 10:47:43 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I'm afraid that guys with negative balance will never connect - or use another address to connect.
 643 2011-05-02 10:48:19 <BlueMatt> lianj: dont matter, just post
 644 2011-05-02 10:49:03 <cosurgi> maybe there's a way to avoid this negative balance problem..
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 646 2011-05-02 10:49:31 <sipa> all but the most negative one have more than -0.00097557 BTC
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 649 2011-05-02 10:53:42 <bk128> sipa: quit tracing my coins :p
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 651 2011-05-02 10:53:51 <jaromil> 3/win 23
 652 2011-05-02 10:54:00 <jaromil> ops sry. g'moin btw
 653 2011-05-02 10:54:12 <bk128> morning
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 656 2011-05-02 10:58:10 <da2ce7> morning bk128
 657 2011-05-02 10:59:13 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: why does your pool result in a _ton_ more stale blocks than slush's?
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 659 2011-05-02 11:00:13 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: lolrly?
 660 2011-05-02 11:00:35 <Diablo-D3> with whos miner?
 661 2011-05-02 11:00:35 <BlueMatt> goes from like 1-5% to like 90
 662 2011-05-02 11:00:42 <BlueMatt> phoenix
 663 2011-05-02 11:00:46 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: did you use the same miner on both pools? what miner?
 664 2011-05-02 11:00:46 <Diablo-D3> try mine
 665 2011-05-02 11:00:51 <sipa> i have almost no stale blocks on eligius
 666 2011-05-02 11:01:06 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: no yours doesnt work on latest nvidia drivers (which are required for x 10)
 667 2011-05-02 11:01:11 <Diablo-D3> the only stale blocks I have on deepbit are from when I was coding LP support
 668 2011-05-02 11:01:19 <BlueMatt> cosurgi: yes, phoenix on both
 669 2011-05-02 11:01:19 <cosurgi> phoenix isn't working on slush's that's the reason that I am now using luke-jr
 670 2011-05-02 11:01:22 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: you sure about that?
 671 2011-05-02 11:01:29 <sipa> 0.6% invalid blocks
 672 2011-05-02 11:01:32 <Diablo-D3> because no one has reported any new nvidia bugs
 673 2011-05-02 11:01:35 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: it worksish, just terrible, terrible desktop lag
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 675 2011-05-02 11:01:41 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: oh, cant fix that
 676 2011-05-02 11:01:46 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: thats eternal nvidia shit
 677 2011-05-02 11:01:55 <Diablo-D3> nvidia simply CANNOT code fucking drivers
 678 2011-05-02 11:01:55 <BlueMatt> yea no, its a driver problem no doubt, but its better on phoenix
 679 2011-05-02 11:01:56 <Diablo-D3> its absurd
 680 2011-05-02 11:02:03 <Diablo-D3> pheonix doesnt rape the GPU nearly as hard
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 682 2011-05-02 11:02:09 <BlueMatt> and amd can so magically? no
 683 2011-05-02 11:02:14 <BlueMatt> neither can really
 684 2011-05-02 11:02:23 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt shit nearly as hard
 685 2011-05-02 11:02:37 <Diablo-D3> -f 1000 is fluid as hell on AMD
 686 2011-05-02 11:02:39 <BlueMatt> the last 2 amd sdks dont work for shit
 687 2011-05-02 11:02:42 <Diablo-D3> cant even really tell the miner is running
 688 2011-05-02 11:02:44 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: no
 689 2011-05-02 11:02:45 <BlueMatt> same on nvidia on 260
 690 2011-05-02 11:02:46 <Diablo-D3> thats why you use 2.4
 691 2011-05-02 11:02:50 <Diablo-D3> 2.4 fixes the CPU use bug
 692 2011-05-02 11:02:51 <sipa> BlueMatt: with poclbm, i had around 1-1.5% stale/invalid blocks on slush's pool, and 0.6% on eligius
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 694 2011-05-02 11:03:01 <Diablo-D3> sipa: poclbm doesnt do LP though
 695 2011-05-02 11:03:04 <BlueMatt> sipa: odd
 696 2011-05-02 11:03:09 <sipa> yes, that's probably the reason
 697 2011-05-02 11:03:12 <sipa> 2.4 is significantly slower than 2.1 here
 698 2011-05-02 11:03:17 <Diablo-D3> 2.4 is slower yes
 699 2011-05-02 11:03:23 <Diablo-D3> but it doesnt have the 2.2/2.3 cpu use bug
 700 2011-05-02 11:03:27 <Diablo-D3> which is a major improvement
 701 2011-05-02 11:03:37 <Diablo-D3> 2.4 is about 10-15% slower than 2.1
 702 2011-05-02 11:03:40 <BlueMatt> yea, Im seeing a cpu bug on 270 (nvidia drivers)
 703 2011-05-02 11:03:41 <Diablo-D3> but you need it for 6xxx
 704 2011-05-02 11:03:47 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: thats "normal"
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 706 2011-05-02 11:03:59 <Diablo-D3> I just so much fucking hate nvidia
 707 2011-05-02 11:03:59 <BlueMatt> but the new cuda version does appear to be slightly better hash
 708 2011-05-02 11:04:11 <Diablo-D3> I swear, Im just going to add an nvidia switch
 709 2011-05-02 11:04:13 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: no, Ive never seen it on nvidia drivers before 270
 710 2011-05-02 11:04:19 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: other people have
 711 2011-05-02 11:04:23 <Diablo-D3> its the most reported "bug"
 712 2011-05-02 11:05:04 <Diablo-D3> the nvidia switch would turn off the other two execution threads, and then make it run at half speed
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 714 2011-05-02 11:05:21 <BlueMatt> meh, nvidia doesnt do a good job on opencl, they care more about cuda
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 718 2011-05-02 11:06:29 <Diablo-D3> yeah except
 719 2011-05-02 11:06:32 <Diablo-D3> you know that cuda miner?
 720 2011-05-02 11:06:39 <Diablo-D3> it also shits on people's desktop performance
 721 2011-05-02 11:06:44 <BlueMatt> never got it to compile
 722 2011-05-02 11:07:50 <BlueMatt> its build system sucked even harder than bitcoin
 723 2011-05-02 11:07:57 <Diablo-D3> hah
 724 2011-05-02 11:07:57 <Diablo-D3> wow
 725 2011-05-02 11:07:59 <Diablo-D3> thats pretty bad
 726 2011-05-02 11:08:33 <Diablo-D3> but yeah, with nvidia, you cant win
 727 2011-05-02 11:08:53 <BlueMatt> yea for non-floating nvidia just doesnt compete
 728 2011-05-02 11:09:01 <Diablo-D3> actualllyyyyy
 729 2011-05-02 11:09:11 <Diablo-D3> http://pastebin.com/j1iZ5tgk
 730 2011-05-02 11:09:14 <Diablo-D3> even for floating
 731 2011-05-02 11:09:15 <Diablo-D3> you're boned
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 733 2011-05-02 11:10:08 <BlueMatt> not really
 734 2011-05-02 11:10:18 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: sorry to say that, but phoenix rapes GPUs harder than your miner. You could try that just to check.
 735 2011-05-02 11:10:23 <BlueMatt> is that link even floating
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 737 2011-05-02 11:10:30 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: no, mine rapes harder
 738 2011-05-02 11:10:34 <Diablo-D3> it just doesnt do BFI_INT
 739 2011-05-02 11:10:43 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: GPUs temperature skyrockets too.
 740 2011-05-02 11:10:59 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: did you check this? maybe it happens only on mine 5870
 741 2011-05-02 11:11:01 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: if mine did BFI_INT, it'd be worse
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 743 2011-05-02 11:11:06 <Diablo-D3> I dont havea 5xxx, remember?
 744 2011-05-02 11:11:18 <BlueMatt> phoenix rapes my gpu harder without any kind of special options
 745 2011-05-02 11:11:18 <cosurgi> no, what do you have? :)
 746 2011-05-02 11:11:33 <Diablo-D3> a 4xxx
 747 2011-05-02 11:11:35 <cosurgi> ok
 748 2011-05-02 11:11:46 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: pheonix doesnt use the multiple queue rape trick
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 750 2011-05-02 11:11:55 <BlueMatt> and yet it does better
 751 2011-05-02 11:12:01 <Diablo-D3> not if you turn bfi_int off
 752 2011-05-02 11:12:07 <BurtyB> but who would :)
 753 2011-05-02 11:12:11 <BlueMatt> Im on nvidia remember?
 754 2011-05-02 11:12:16 <BlueMatt> no bfi_int
 755 2011-05-02 11:12:20 <Diablo-D3> why would you use pheonix on nvidia?
 756 2011-05-02 11:12:22 <Diablo-D3> seems pointless
 757 2011-05-02 11:12:30 <BlueMatt> because it works better than yours?
 758 2011-05-02 11:12:34 <Diablo-D3> what options are you using with pheonix on nvidia?
 759 2011-05-02 11:12:47 <BlueMatt> WORKSIZE=512 (same on yours)
 760 2011-05-02 11:13:04 <BlueMatt> and yes, Ive tried changing -f
 761 2011-05-02 11:14:08 <Diablo-D3> no other settings?
 762 2011-05-02 11:14:24 <BlueMatt> FASTLOOP, but thats not a huge diff
 763 2011-05-02 11:14:32 <Diablo-D3> it actually is
 764 2011-05-02 11:14:35 <Diablo-D3> and mine supports that
 765 2011-05-02 11:14:40 <Diablo-D3> its off by default on nvidia
 766 2011-05-02 11:14:47 <Diablo-D3> use the -z option
 767 2011-05-02 11:15:06 <BlueMatt> cant do that, when I try to add that commit and compile it kills my computer
 768 2011-05-02 11:15:32 <Diablo-D3> hah
 769 2011-05-02 11:15:38 <Diablo-D3> proof mine rapes harder
 770 2011-05-02 11:16:00 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: I'm usinf worksize 64, seems optimal for 5870
 771 2011-05-02 11:16:00 <sipa> define rape
 772 2011-05-02 11:16:07 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: hes on nvidia
 773 2011-05-02 11:16:09 <BlueMatt> no, actually when I turn that on it just freezes everything (including mining hash)
 774 2011-05-02 11:16:20 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: how high a number did you give it?
 775 2011-05-02 11:16:23 <Diablo-D3> the default is 10
 776 2011-05-02 11:16:24 <cosurgi> sipa: #define rape faster hashing
 777 2011-05-02 11:16:57 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: didnt even have to specify -z, just compile with that commit, run without -z, and death
 778 2011-05-02 11:16:58 <Diablo-D3> #define rape less desktop interactivity which may lead to faster hashing
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 782 2011-05-02 11:17:05 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: wtf?
 783 2011-05-02 11:17:06 <BlueMatt> well on phoenix it appears everything after the 1st solution is simply rejected on luke-jr's pool
 784 2011-05-02 11:17:11 <Diablo-D3> theres something very wrong with nvidia
 785 2011-05-02 11:17:16 <BlueMatt> or your miner
 786 2011-05-02 11:17:18 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: lolwhat
 787 2011-05-02 11:17:29 <Diablo-D3> thats hilarious
 788 2011-05-02 11:18:01 <BlueMatt> dude deal with it, when you program you have to work with what youve got.  Yes you dont care to support nvidia and thats fine, but that just means your miner sucks
 789 2011-05-02 11:18:18 <sipa> cosurgi: i'm on worksize 256 for 5970 now, which seems fastest (only in some combinations of driver/sdk and other settings though)
 790 2011-05-02 11:18:51 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: did you use -v flag in phoenix?
 791 2011-05-02 11:19:05 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: dude, its not that I dont support nvidia
 792 2011-05-02 11:19:10 <Diablo-D3> its that nvidia doesnt support nvidia.
 793 2011-05-02 11:19:15 <Diablo-D3> I cant fix driver bugs
 794 2011-05-02 11:19:20 <Diablo-D3> I cant even figure out why its causing them
 795 2011-05-02 11:19:33 <BlueMatt> do you have a nvidia/try to fix them?
 796 2011-05-02 11:19:39 <Diablo-D3> nope, I dont own an nvidia
 797 2011-05-02 11:20:06 <BlueMatt> hence you dont support it.  I dont care either way, just means I dont use your miner/it sucks on nvidia
 798 2011-05-02 11:21:50 <Diablo-D3> w/e
 799 2011-05-02 11:22:03 <Diablo-D3> it'd be nice to know why pheonix doesnt go splat with loops
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 803 2011-05-02 11:28:56 <disq> FYI, diablominer's been working fine on OSX so far. getting a decent hashrate, which I can't with other miners (well, except phoenix) thanks to apple's drivers.
 804 2011-05-02 11:29:22 <disq> that's with nvidia (gt130)
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 809 2011-05-02 11:32:53 <topi`> whose miner is this 'phoenix'?
 810 2011-05-02 11:32:58 <topi`> do you know the guy behind it?
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 812 2011-05-02 11:34:24 <cosurgi> ;;seen jed*
 813 2011-05-02 11:34:24 <gribble> jed* could be jed (3 weeks, 3 days, 16 hours, 50 minutes, and 55 seconds ago) or jedi95 (6 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 10 seconds ago)
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 817 2011-05-02 11:39:13 <topi`> is it so that ufasoft's SSE2 miner is faster on x86_64 than on i386?
 818 2011-05-02 11:39:48 <topi`> does anyone have the binary compiled for x86_64 linux so that I can try out the speed on a xeon?
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 820 2011-05-02 11:40:12 <topi`> disq: how did you compile diablominer for OSX? I just got the source code, but don't know how to compile .java
 821 2011-05-02 11:40:46 <lfm> topi get the binary package
 822 2011-05-02 11:40:58 <disq> topi`: i didn't, just use the binary zip
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 827 2011-05-02 11:45:22 <topi`> where's the binary zip?
 828 2011-05-02 11:45:31 <topi`> I just googled the source :D
 829 2011-05-02 11:46:30 <topi`> ok, found one .zip file, let's see what's the version
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 832 2011-05-02 11:49:02 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r63 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
 833 2011-05-02 11:49:02 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: Make Base58 throw on decode if the input is not valid base58, add test.
 834 2011-05-02 11:49:02 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: Add a decodeChecked method that uses the last 4 bytes as a checksum, for IRC support.
 835 2011-05-02 11:49:49 <topi`> should have checked the bitcoin wiki, it has links to the miner binaries...
 836 2011-05-02 11:49:52 <disq> topi`: http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner.zip (first mesasge in the DiabloMiner forum thread, but second link "newest binary")
 837 2011-05-02 11:51:04 <topi`> disq: the server is not responding :/
 838 2011-05-02 11:51:19 <topi`> maybe try bittorrent :)
 839 2011-05-02 11:51:44 <disq> topi`: seems to be working for me
 840 2011-05-02 11:51:52 <topi`> ping timeout...
 841 2011-05-02 11:52:14 <disq> you could try a proxy maybe
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 843 2011-05-02 11:52:29 <topi`> everything else responds to ping, but not this site
 844 2011-05-02 11:53:00 <topi`> ok, tried from another ip adderss, yes it works
 845 2011-05-02 11:53:01 <topi`> odd.
 846 2011-05-02 11:53:10 <topi`> very, very odd
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 848 2011-05-02 11:56:30 <topi`> well, it seems I get more or less the same mhash rate with Diablominer than on poclbm
 849 2011-05-02 11:56:46 <topi`> but I don't know how to modify the frame rate (-f in poclbm)
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 851 2011-05-02 11:58:22 <topi`> well, at least Diablominer consumes significantly less CPU than poclbm.py (the latter takes easily 10-20% according to 'top')
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 853 2011-05-02 11:59:09 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r64 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Implement support for IRC peer discovery. Patch contributed by John Sample.
 854 2011-05-02 12:03:44 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r65 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Allow user to provide NetworkConnection with a socket timeout. Resolves issue 17. Patch from John Sample.
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 856 2011-05-02 12:05:50 <sipa> why doesn't bitcoin(d) support name lookups for -addnode and -connect?
 857 2011-05-02 12:06:07 <xelister> hi sipa
 858 2011-05-02 12:06:09 <xelister> hi luke-jr
 859 2011-05-02 12:06:30 <xelister> care to tell me exactly how to use onboard intell for desktop-video, while still using r5970 for mininng?
 860 2011-05-02 12:06:34 <xelister> Im on linux (ubuntu 10.10)
 861 2011-05-02 12:07:19 <sipa> no idea - for me the onboard video is ati as well, so it uses the same X server
 862 2011-05-02 12:07:37 <xelister> ah
 863 2011-05-02 12:07:40 * xelister pokes luke-jr
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 866 2011-05-02 12:11:31 <topi`> sipa: one would think that it's possible to run one X server on one card, and another X on the other
 867 2011-05-02 12:11:35 <topi`> so :0 and :1
 868 2011-05-02 12:11:43 <TD> sipa: does -dnsseed work for name lookups with only one A?
 869 2011-05-02 12:11:46 <xelister> anyone knows exactly how to have a running intel onboard card outputing video and being used "for desktop" while at same time using radeon5970 (2 gpu) for mining? On Ubuntu 10.10
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 871 2011-05-02 12:12:26 <xelister> topi`: yes this is my idea too
 872 2011-05-02 12:12:55 <sipa> TD: yes, but the list of domain names tried by dnsseed is fixed
 873 2011-05-02 12:13:01 <sipa> hardcoded
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 875 2011-05-02 12:14:48 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
 876 2011-05-02 12:14:48 <gribble> 121411
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 878 2011-05-02 12:15:34 <xelister> 3 BTC (or more? pm me) for anyone to setup my X server as follows:  how to have a running intel onboard card outputing video and being used "for desktop" while at same time using radeon5970 (2 gpu) for mining? On Ubuntu 10.10. btw mobo is GA-8I915G-MF and has no option to just turn off onboard gfx: 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0e). Or any other way to have at least radeon making calculations and displaying desktop,
 879 2011-05-02 12:15:46 <TD> sipa: oh :(
 880 2011-05-02 12:17:31 <sipa> but the code is there
 881 2011-05-02 12:17:53 <sipa> i really don't understand why this isn't implemented - or is there some design decision i don't understand
 882 2011-05-02 12:18:12 <topi`> xelister: do you know if the onboard GPU is disabled in hardware or in software?
 883 2011-05-02 12:18:27 <xelister> topi`: onboard GPU can not be disabled in BIOS, nor by any jumper switch
 884 2011-05-02 12:19:03 <xelister> it usually disables itself when other "real" GPU is placed in pci-express port, this works with nvidia 250, but somehow NOT with r5970
 885 2011-05-02 12:19:09 <topi`> ok, so it's a sw question
 886 2011-05-02 12:19:24 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r66 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
 887 2011-05-02 12:19:24 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: Add DNS based discovery. Patch from John Sample. Resolves issue 18.
 888 2011-05-02 12:19:24 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: Rename IRCPeers to PrintPeers, add DNS, add timing measurements.
 889 2011-05-02 12:19:25 <topi`> can you put your dmesg into pastebin? and also X.org output at /var/log/Xorg.log
 890 2011-05-02 12:19:52 <xelister> the status now is: both cards are usually running. Intel is sometimes outputing video. Radeon is NEVER outputing video. I think perhaps setup 2 X serwers, one to use intel on :0, other tu use radeon on :1
 891 2011-05-02 12:19:58 <xelister> topi`: have jabber?   brb
 892 2011-05-02 12:20:11 <topi`> xelister: yes, tkanerva@gmail.com
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 894 2011-05-02 12:22:46 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 895 2011-05-02 12:22:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121412 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1563 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 24 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 144221.82621759
 896 2011-05-02 12:23:16 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 897 2011-05-02 12:23:16 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.56,"low":2.75,"vol":39171,"buy":3.11,"sell":3.185,"last":3.11}}
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 899 2011-05-02 12:25:17 <Caracrist> most of links in https://bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade are fake.they don't realy accept bitcoins...
 900 2011-05-02 12:25:36 <ersi> Edit the page and remove those then :o
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 902 2011-05-02 12:27:18 <topi`> Caracrist: why do you think they don't really accept bitcoin?
 903 2011-05-02 12:27:31 <Caracrist> I just visited the sites...
 904 2011-05-02 12:28:24 <Caracrist> cheap way to advertise
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 909 2011-05-02 12:33:56 <cdecker> Damnit BCBots disk filled up yesterday
 910 2011-05-02 12:34:02 <cdecker> I lost 12 hours of logs
 911 2011-05-02 12:34:54 <BlueMatt> cdecker: nanotube might have logs, if I was online at the time, I do
 912 2011-05-02 12:37:01 <cdecker> I might ask you later, maybe I got some with another client somewhere
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 916 2011-05-02 12:40:14 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r67 /trunk/ (14 files in 3 dirs):
 917 2011-05-02 12:40:14 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: Switch to using SLF4J + the simple logger, allowing people to integrate BitCoinJ with whatever logging system they
 918 2011-05-02 12:40:14 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: are already using.
 919 2011-05-02 12:40:14 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: Resolves issue 16.
 920 2011-05-02 12:42:02 <cdecker> Nice, SLF4J is really cool when developing libraries
 921 2011-05-02 12:45:54 <cdecker> Am I the only one who sees alot of invalid certificates lately?
 922 2011-05-02 12:46:12 <cdecker> cia.vc uses an expired certificate too
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 924 2011-05-02 12:48:59 <ersi> cdecker: Maybe you're being MITM'd
 925 2011-05-02 12:50:43 <TD> cdecker: just let scanlime know
 926 2011-05-02 12:50:48 <TD> cdecker: you can find him in #tacobeam usually
 927 2011-05-02 12:50:59 <TD> he'll awakify in 4-5 hours
 928 2011-05-02 12:51:11 <BlueMatt> who the f is scanline?
 929 2011-05-02 12:51:13 <TD> cdecker: btw did you see the meetup this weekend?
 930 2011-05-02 12:51:18 <TD> scanline runs CIA
 931 2011-05-02 12:51:23 * TD wrote CIA with him several years ago
 932 2011-05-02 12:51:33 <BlueMatt> ah
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 934 2011-05-02 12:51:57 <BlueMatt> wait, TD wrote CIA?
 935 2011-05-02 12:52:02 <BlueMatt> damn
 936 2011-05-02 12:52:03 <cdecker> Yeah I saw the mettup
 937 2011-05-02 12:52:05 <TD> his nick is actually scanlime these days, it wasn't a typo. it used to be scanline. i dunno why he changed.
 938 2011-05-02 12:52:11 <cdecker> Looking forward to it ^^
 939 2011-05-02 12:52:31 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: no, TD didnt write CIA
 940 2011-05-02 12:52:36 <TD> BlueMatt: i came up with the idea and wrote some of the very first import scripts for it. scanline and ChipX86 wrote the rest, then scanline rewrote it all from scratch about a year later
 941 2011-05-02 12:52:43 <Diablo-D3> TD: scanlime had a sex change
 942 2011-05-02 12:52:47 <TD> yeah i know
 943 2011-05-02 12:52:47 <BlueMatt> ah
 944 2011-05-02 12:52:49 <TD> i've met him several times
 945 2011-05-02 12:52:52 <BlueMatt> wait wtf?
 946 2011-05-02 12:52:52 <Diablo-D3> it was scanline before that
 947 2011-05-02 12:52:55 <TD> ah right
 948 2011-05-02 12:52:57 <Diablo-D3> scanlime after it
 949 2011-05-02 12:52:58 <TD> didn't know the timing
 950 2011-05-02 12:53:14 * Diablo-D3 used to hang out in #cia early on when it was created
 951 2011-05-02 12:53:31 <Diablo-D3> and now that fucking douchebag runs it
 952 2011-05-02 12:53:33 <TD> http://cia.vc/doc/inside/
 953 2011-05-02 12:53:39 <TD> http://cia.vc/historical/first-24-hours.html
 954 2011-05-02 12:53:53 <TD> well it was #commits back then. dunno if it moved. i wasn't involved for years.
 955 2011-05-02 12:54:01 <Diablo-D3> its still #commits
 956 2011-05-02 12:54:06 <Diablo-D3> but now #commits is commits only
 957 2011-05-02 12:54:12 <Diablo-D3> they have another channel for regular discussion
 958 2011-05-02 12:54:19 <Diablo-D3> so, #commits -> #cia really
 959 2011-05-02 12:54:28 <TD> right
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 961 2011-05-02 12:54:42 <Diablo-D3> TD: I havent seen you for awhile, whats been up?
 962 2011-05-02 12:54:58 <TD> you mean in this channel?
 963 2011-05-02 12:55:13 <Diablo-D3> in any channel =P
 964 2011-05-02 12:55:31 <TD> yeah i come and go on this network :)
 965 2011-05-02 12:55:45 <TD> ah yeah, i remember now.
 966 2011-05-02 12:55:48 <TD> you wrote the darcs integration for CIA
 967 2011-05-02 12:55:56 <Diablo-D3> yeah
 968 2011-05-02 12:55:59 <Diablo-D3> and now no one uses darcs
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 970 2011-05-02 12:56:18 <TD> well, i also wrote an arch integration
 971 2011-05-02 12:56:21 <TD> haha. gnu arch.
 972 2011-05-02 12:56:32 <TD> what a head trip. and now everyone tells me i don't get distributed version control because i don't like git :-)
 973 2011-05-02 12:57:01 <Diablo-D3> heh
 974 2011-05-02 12:57:03 <Diablo-D3> well
 975 2011-05-02 12:57:10 <Diablo-D3> darcs, git, and hg are the only ones that got it imo
 976 2011-05-02 12:57:14 <Diablo-D3> and darcs is dead now
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 978 2011-05-02 12:57:46 <lianj> thank god you didnt list fossil
 979 2011-05-02 12:58:32 <TD> i should set up a CIA inside google one day
 980 2011-05-02 12:58:36 <TD> it'd be fun to watch all the commits flow by
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 982 2011-05-02 12:59:28 <Diablo-D3> hah
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 984 2011-05-02 12:59:37 <Diablo-D3> man, Im not sure what I saw in darcs
 985 2011-05-02 12:59:56 <xelister> topi`: authorize me?
 986 2011-05-02 12:59:58 <TD> "the physics of version control"
 987 2011-05-02 13:00:02 <xelister> topi`: xelist@jabber.org
 988 2011-05-02 13:00:11 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but its written in haskell
 989 2011-05-02 13:00:15 <Diablo-D3> I hated haskell then, I hate it now
 990 2011-05-02 13:00:25 <Diablo-D3> and Im probably going to hate it tommorow
 991 2011-05-02 13:01:03 <TD> yeah, distributed vcs written in haskell ..... there's a recipe for unmaintainable code if there ever was one
 992 2011-05-02 13:01:17 <TD> ah well. good times. at least there's consensus these days, even if it IS on git
 993 2011-05-02 13:01:47 <Diablo-D3> well
 994 2011-05-02 13:01:49 <Diablo-D3> its git/hg
 995 2011-05-02 13:01:55 <Diablo-D3> since they're almost identical in functionality
 996 2011-05-02 13:02:02 <Diablo-D3> I dont care what you use as long is once of those two
 997 2011-05-02 13:02:26 <Diablo-D3> LOL
 998 2011-05-02 13:02:30 <Diablo-D3> Im in the first 24 hours log
 999 2011-05-02 13:02:31 <Diablo-D3> bwhahahah
1000 2011-05-02 13:03:37 <Diablo-D3> man, I sometimes forget how long Ive been around
1001 2011-05-02 13:04:59 <TD> ah yeah, so you are
1002 2011-05-02 13:05:17 <TD> hah. you know i was thinking for some time your nick was familiar from somewhere, i couldn't place it though
1003 2011-05-02 13:05:34 <Diablo-D3> TD: :<
1004 2011-05-02 13:05:38 <TD> well open source is a small world. i keep meeting googlers and i'm like, oh yeah, i remember you from <mailing list foo> or <project bar>
1005 2011-05-02 13:06:27 <Diablo-D3> hah
1006 2011-05-02 13:06:36 <Diablo-D3> yeah, now I have the second most popular gpu miner
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1010 2011-05-02 13:10:38 <cdecker> Goddamn those explosions are getting louder
1011 2011-05-02 13:10:45 <cdecker> Hope they are done soon
1012 2011-05-02 13:10:55 <BlueMatt> ?
1013 2011-05-02 13:11:06 <chmod755> explosions???
1014 2011-05-02 13:11:11 <cdecker> What a stupid idea to start tunneling using explosive in the middle of Zurich
1015 2011-05-02 13:11:24 <TD> i can't hear them from enge
1016 2011-05-02 13:11:27 <chmod755> oh
1017 2011-05-02 13:11:35 <TD> but then i'm wearing headphones :-)
1018 2011-05-02 13:11:48 <cdecker> I'm 15 meters from the hole...
1019 2011-05-02 13:11:53 <xelister> lol cdecker
1020 2011-05-02 13:11:59 <cdecker> My rooms shakes every 10 minutes
1021 2011-05-02 13:12:28 <xelister> are you sure this are not usafags coming to free you from not paying btc taxes and licensing/patent fees ;)
1022 2011-05-02 13:13:16 <cdecker> Hehe I just paid my taxes :D
1023 2011-05-02 13:13:33 <cdecker> Here's the construction site https://www.webcam.ethz.ch/detail.html?&webcamid_get=134
1024 2011-05-02 13:13:40 <cdecker> I live right under that webcam
1025 2011-05-02 13:14:30 <xelister> cdecker: how about making an "BitCoin forever" sign over that camera?
1026 2011-05-02 13:14:33 <TD> cool pic. i hadn't ever seen it from above.
1027 2011-05-02 13:14:49 <cdecker> Too bad they don't show how deep it is
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1029 2011-05-02 13:15:03 <cdecker> It's 5-7 stories underground...
1030 2011-05-02 13:15:13 <TD> wow
1031 2011-05-02 13:15:32 <cdecker> Could go with a basejump down there xD
1032 2011-05-02 13:15:35 <TD> if i was a braver and more stupid person, i'd be tempted to go exploring :-)
1033 2011-05-02 13:16:03 <cdecker> ETH is so much fun to explore
1034 2011-05-02 13:16:16 <cdecker> Did you know they connected all buildings with tunnels?
1035 2011-05-02 13:16:20 <TD> zurich must be getting close to london in the amount of "weird stuff underground"
1036 2011-05-02 13:16:27 <TD> no, didn't know that
1037 2011-05-02 13:16:45 <cdecker> We still need giant rats and then we're close, yeah ^^
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1039 2011-05-02 13:18:18 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r68 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/BlockChain.java: Simplify the findSplit code, suggested by miron@google.com
1040 2011-05-02 13:19:39 <cdecker> Just noticed that BitDroid-Network has been running with 250 connections for 90 hours ^^
1041 2011-05-02 13:20:02 <cdecker> I definitely have to write an adapter to your code TD
1042 2011-05-02 13:20:12 <TD> nice!
1043 2011-05-02 13:20:20 <TD> yes the bitcoinj networking code is pretty trivial.
1044 2011-05-02 13:20:32 <TD> though for connecting from mobiles it doesn't really matter that much. i don't think we'll ever want more than 8 connections.
1045 2011-05-02 13:20:53 <cdecker> I want 10'000 connections on my phone, just for bragging rights ^^
1046 2011-05-02 13:21:06 <BlueMatt> I think we need to up the outgoing connection count by default
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1048 2011-05-02 13:21:46 <cdecker> I think we need some more bootstrap nodes that accept connections from outside
1049 2011-05-02 13:21:59 <cdecker> Far too many don't accept connections
1050 2011-05-02 13:22:10 <BlueMatt> thats why we have upnp
1051 2011-05-02 13:22:23 <BlueMatt> thats why I was in favor of upnp on by default
1052 2011-05-02 13:22:27 <cdecker> Yeah, that's a good point
1053 2011-05-02 13:22:29 * TD nods
1054 2011-05-02 13:22:33 <TD> yes it should be on by default
1055 2011-05-02 13:22:44 <TD> one step at a time, i guess
1056 2011-05-02 13:22:47 <cdecker> Uhm, please don't
1057 2011-05-02 13:23:08 <BlueMatt> It probably wont happen, the community voted the other way and that will be respected
1058 2011-05-02 13:23:10 <cdecker> I have 180 users on my network and we keep getting bombed with requests for UPNP
1059 2011-05-02 13:23:46 <xelister> cdecker: what requests?
1060 2011-05-02 13:23:47 <BlueMatt> why do you have 180 users on your network, and why are they making that many upnp requests?
1061 2011-05-02 13:24:00 <BlueMatt> it should be just a couple requests to map a port and done
1062 2011-05-02 13:24:35 <cdecker> I'm admin for a dorm here
1063 2011-05-02 13:24:50 <cdecker> It's not network requests
1064 2011-05-02 13:24:57 <cdecker> It's people asking me to allow UPNP
1065 2011-05-02 13:25:05 <CIA-30> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r69 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/ (BlockChain.java TransactionOutput.java): Some small renamings in BlockChain. Log but don't throw in TransactionOutput.isMine() if the script is unparseable. Suggestions from Miron.
1066 2011-05-02 13:25:15 <BlueMatt> oh, well understandably you dont want that
1067 2011-05-02 13:25:25 <BlueMatt> that doesnt mean bitcoin shouldnt have it on by default
1068 2011-05-02 13:26:29 <cdecker> It won't change much for me if Bitcoin has it on by default, but I do dislike UPNP as a protocol
1069 2011-05-02 13:26:49 <TD> it should be on by default. community votes don't carry a whole lot of weight, or shouldn't - there are usually technical arguments one way or another
1070 2011-05-02 13:26:51 <BlueMatt> as a protocol, it sucks, but its useful and provides many advantages for bitcoin
1071 2011-05-02 13:27:05 <TD> forum votes get heavily biased by people who don't do any work and may not even understand what the issues are.
1072 2011-05-02 13:27:14 <cdecker> agreed
1073 2011-05-02 13:27:39 <BlueMatt> true, but unless you get a poll on here (or some other truly developer-run place) I dont think it will change
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1075 2011-05-02 13:27:59 <cdecker> What prevents us from starting a poll bot in here?
1076 2011-05-02 13:28:14 <funkenstein> anybody try instawallet.org?
1077 2011-05-02 13:28:17 <BlueMatt> go ahead
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1079 2011-05-02 13:29:06 <TD> it's just up to gavin. if he says no, it's no, if he says yes, it's yes
1080 2011-05-02 13:29:10 <TD> no need for polls
1081 2011-05-02 13:29:14 <TD> funkenstein: yeah i did. it works well.
1082 2011-05-02 13:29:38 <BlueMatt> well gavin generally follows polls if they exist, he doesnt make unilateral decisions
1083 2011-05-02 13:29:42 <funkenstein> kk thanks TD, i sent a penny from there 6 hrs ago and still no confirmations on the receipt...
1084 2011-05-02 13:30:01 <BlueMatt> (nor should he)
1085 2011-05-02 13:30:24 <TD> funkenstein: if you only sent a penny it is probably waiting to get high enough priority to be included
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1090 2011-05-02 13:39:56 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1091 2011-05-02 13:39:56 <gribble> 121419
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1095 2011-05-02 13:46:50 <cdecker> see you around
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1097 2011-05-02 13:47:15 * sipa wonders how it came to this: dns lookups were implemented in like 4 separate places in the source code, but not in CAddress or anywhere general
1098 2011-05-02 13:47:26 <sipa> and not used for -connect or -addnode
1099 2011-05-02 13:48:34 * BlueMatt nominates sips to rewrite that
1100 2011-05-02 13:48:44 * sipa did
1101 2011-05-02 13:48:52 <BlueMatt> :)
1102 2011-05-02 13:48:58 <Diablo-D3> lol
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1105 2011-05-02 13:53:01 <jgarzik> sipa: satoshi didn't want DNS in -connect or -addnode, for some strange reason
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1107 2011-05-02 13:53:06 <jgarzik> sipa: it's a frequent request
1108 2011-05-02 13:53:16 <sipa> ok, that explains
1109 2011-05-02 13:53:26 <sipa> but i still don't understand what the problem is with that
1110 2011-05-02 13:53:28 <BlueMatt> security concerns probably, but I disagree
1111 2011-05-02 13:54:00 <sipa> maybe a -allowdnslookups command line option?
1112 2011-05-02 13:54:07 <sipa> but i'd still prefer to know what the problem is
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1114 2011-05-02 13:54:24 <jgarzik> sipa: or just -dns
1115 2011-05-02 13:54:45 <sipa> meh
1116 2011-05-02 13:55:36 <sipa> for send to IP, i can understand the security concerns not wanting to do a DNS lookup
1117 2011-05-02 13:55:36 <pwrcycle> hi all
1118 2011-05-02 13:55:45 <tcatm> I don't see what's wrong with DNS in -addnode/connect
1119 2011-05-02 13:55:49 <BlueMatt> I think the problem is the potential for sybil if you have 8 -addnode's or -connect
1120 2011-05-02 13:56:05 <sipa> but even if dns hijacking is assumed to be trivial, nodes connect to other node at will anyway
1121 2011-05-02 13:56:08 <sipa> *nodes
1122 2011-05-02 13:56:22 <BlueMatt> not if you have 8 -addnode's
1123 2011-05-02 13:56:27 <BlueMatt> (and no incomming)
1124 2011-05-02 13:56:42 <sipa> true, and in the case -connect it's even easier
1125 2011-05-02 13:56:51 <sipa> but that's your responsibility
1126 2011-05-02 13:56:54 <tcatm> If connect= causes a DNS lookup, output a warning and the returned IP that tells the user to double check it?
1127 2011-05-02 13:56:57 <sipa> if you use that
1128 2011-05-02 13:57:44 <sipa> currently, the fallback list on the wiki even does dns lookups anyway
1129 2011-05-02 13:58:08 <sipa> someone attacking by changing the IP's there is a lot easier than doing a dns hijacking
1130 2011-05-02 13:58:20 <sipa> (tough more noticable as well)
1131 2011-05-02 13:58:22 <sipa> *though
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1136 2011-05-02 14:10:31 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121427 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1548 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 4 hours, 4 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 144596.87800266
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1145 2011-05-02 14:22:28 <cosurgi> luke-jr: some guys disconnected. you better make sure that they don't go into negative balance, or they may never join again with these addresses
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1147 2011-05-02 14:25:38 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ping
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1156 2011-05-02 14:36:36 <sipa> jgarzik: what do you propose? just -dns?
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1158 2011-05-02 14:37:21 <jgarzik> sipa: yeah
1159 2011-05-02 14:37:35 <sipa> without it, -addnode and -connect only accept IP addresses (but maybe give a warning if a DNS is used there anyway)
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1163 2011-05-02 14:58:44 <lulzplzkthx> Transaction hasn't gotten into a block since 18:41 last night. It's now 10:54.
1164 2011-05-02 14:58:47 <lulzplzkthx> >_<
1165 2011-05-02 14:58:50 <lulzplzkthx> ;;bc,mtgox
1166 2011-05-02 14:58:50 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.501,"low":2.75,"vol":30176,"buy":3.12,"sell":3.239,"last":3.2}}
1167 2011-05-02 14:59:02 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: er?
1168 2011-05-02 14:59:12 * Diablo-D3 had a tx go out not too long ago, its already 5
1169 2011-05-02 14:59:19 <lulzplzkthx> wtf
1170 2011-05-02 14:59:31 <lulzplzkthx> restarting bitcoin
1171 2011-05-02 15:00:04 <lulzplzkthx> nope. someone sent it to me though, bitcoin toss, prob. didn't give it a transaction fee
1172 2011-05-02 15:00:32 <Diablo-D3> well the other guy needs to keep his client running until the tx says
1173 2011-05-02 15:00:33 <Diablo-D3> er
1174 2011-05-02 15:00:35 <Diablo-D3> says 1
1175 2011-05-02 15:01:12 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: ?
1176 2011-05-02 15:01:20 <luke-jr> cosurgi: already have that fixed I think
1177 2011-05-02 15:01:31 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: why am I getting like 99% of blocks rejected on your pool when using phoenix?
1178 2011-05-02 15:04:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no idea?
1179 2011-05-02 15:04:35 <BlueMatt> works fine on slush, poclbm also appears to work fine
1180 2011-05-02 15:04:49 <luke-jr> what address?
1181 2011-05-02 15:05:04 <BlueMatt> 1EU8DGeYKXDwmFWym1DqL1QLjmnA6VCX6C
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1183 2011-05-02 15:06:53 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I see 37% stale
1184 2011-05-02 15:07:00 <luke-jr> and very few shares at all
1185 2011-05-02 15:07:09 <citiz3n> slush support long polling now, right?
1186 2011-05-02 15:07:10 <BlueMatt> well I gave up after seeing so many rejections
1187 2011-05-02 15:07:34 <citiz3n> does long polling really increase efficiency, thereby giving you more shares?
1188 2011-05-02 15:07:35 <BlueMatt> but this morning when I tried it it would get the first block (usually) then the rest rejected
1189 2011-05-02 15:07:44 <sipa> citiz3n: yes
1190 2011-05-02 15:07:48 <BlueMatt> let me try again
1191 2011-05-02 15:07:49 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: this is how it was working for me without vectors
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1193 2011-05-02 15:08:02 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: only first accepted, and all others rejected, then disconnect.
1194 2011-05-02 15:08:09 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it's 1% overall
1195 2011-05-02 15:08:13 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: I started using vectors, and suddenly it all worked.
1196 2011-05-02 15:08:26 <BlueMatt> well Im on nvidia so vectors isnt much of an option
1197 2011-05-02 15:08:27 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: it's a command line option
1198 2011-05-02 15:08:34 <cosurgi> oh, ok.
1199 2011-05-02 15:08:35 <luke-jr> cosurgi: I get all bad without vectors…
1200 2011-05-02 15:08:42 <citiz3n> i use m0mchil's miner, what needs to be added to the command to enable long polling?
1201 2011-05-02 15:08:57 <sipa> nothing
1202 2011-05-02 15:08:59 <luke-jr> citiz3n: automatic
1203 2011-05-02 15:09:07 <cosurgi> I think slush's doean't have this
1204 2011-05-02 15:09:08 <citiz3n> ah ok
1205 2011-05-02 15:09:08 <BlueMatt> Im fine w/o vectors on diablo, poclbm just not phoenix
1206 2011-05-02 15:09:25 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: are you overclocking?
1207 2011-05-02 15:09:28 <citiz3n> sipa said it does, cosurgi, and i think I've seen slush say it does as wel
1208 2011-05-02 15:09:29 <BlueMatt> no
1209 2011-05-02 15:09:31 <citiz3n> as well
1210 2011-05-02 15:09:32 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: you could use poclbm.. it's almost as good as phoenix
1211 2011-05-02 15:09:46 <cosurgi> sipa: slush has LP?
1212 2011-05-02 15:09:46 <luke-jr> cosurgi: poclbm is *better* than Phoenix for me
1213 2011-05-02 15:09:51 <citiz3n> i do get more "invalid or stale" shares than I would like
1214 2011-05-02 15:09:55 <BlueMatt> not for me, Im on desktop and need some performance so FASTLOOP is much better
1215 2011-05-02 15:10:10 <luke-jr> o
1216 2011-05-02 15:10:24 <sipa> cosurgi: no idea
1217 2011-05-02 15:10:39 <cosurgi> I haven't seen him around for few days, so we can't ask him
1218 2011-05-02 15:10:47 <cosurgi> :/
1219 2011-05-02 15:10:49 <kfr> Is hardware/rig discussion tolerated here or is it too off-topic?
1220 2011-05-02 15:11:13 <cosurgi> kfr: it's central to this channel. ArtForz is an expert.
1221 2011-05-02 15:11:13 <BlueMatt> kfr: we are hardly ever on topic, so you are probably safe, though #bitcoin might be better
1222 2011-05-02 15:11:27 <cosurgi> :-)
1223 2011-05-02 15:11:30 <BlueMatt> ArtForzZz: is asleep as his nick indicates ;)
1224 2011-05-02 15:11:32 <kfr> It looks like this channel is much more active and even more populated
1225 2011-05-02 15:11:38 <BlueMatt> wait...wtf why is he asleep at 5?
1226 2011-05-02 15:11:41 <citiz3n> there's also #bitcoin-discussion
1227 2011-05-02 15:11:52 <kfr> I already know ArtForzZz, I met him 1 or 2 years ago in a Bitcoin unrelated environment
1228 2011-05-02 15:11:54 <sipa> and #bitcoin-mining ffs
1229 2011-05-02 15:11:57 <BlueMatt> #bitcoin is the official replacement to -discussion
1230 2011-05-02 15:11:57 <cosurgi> yeah, strange. maybe he just went to work, or something
1231 2011-05-02 15:14:15 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: hm, well phoenix seems to be working now...really odd it was failing so bad earlier
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1233 2011-05-02 15:16:20 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: more importantly, why does this seem to be a new address? <.<
1234 2011-05-02 15:16:30 <BlueMatt> hm?
1235 2011-05-02 15:16:43 <luke-jr> weren't you mining on Eligius before today? O.o
1236 2011-05-02 15:16:46 <BlueMatt> no
1237 2011-05-02 15:16:48 <luke-jr> o
1238 2011-05-02 15:17:02 <luke-jr> tbh, I'd like to simply accept stale hashes altogether
1239 2011-05-02 15:17:13 <luke-jr> but jgarzik's pushpool doesn't differentiate between stale and cheat
1240 2011-05-02 15:17:37 <luke-jr> and I guess rejecting stale encourages better mining tools
1241 2011-05-02 15:17:57 <BlueMatt> you could accept stale from 1 block ago instead of all stales
1242 2011-05-02 15:18:13 <cosurgi> wtf tbh ?
1243 2011-05-02 15:18:24 <BlueMatt> but stale is a problem with your design as blocks change so quick when you have to set the outputs
1244 2011-05-02 15:18:33 <BlueMatt> to be honest cosurgi
1245 2011-05-02 15:18:42 <cosurgi> thx
1246 2011-05-02 15:18:48 <BlueMatt> ;;ud tbh
1247 2011-05-02 15:18:48 <gribble> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tbh | tbh lol to be honest imo honest rofl wtf cba be stfu myspace honestly tbqh tbf to lmao gtfo emos pwn really ass teebs omg tbbh cunt fucking atm imho ftw ...
1248 2011-05-02 15:18:59 <cosurgi> :)
1249 2011-05-02 15:19:25 <BlueMatt> well, until I can mine right, Im back to slush
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1251 2011-05-02 15:20:25 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: it's still wrong?
1252 2011-05-02 15:20:52 <BlueMatt> cosurgi: well it appears to be more random than it was this morning, but still a considerable amount rejected
1253 2011-05-02 15:21:06 <finnomenon> is there a place to get older mtgox trade data?
1254 2011-05-02 15:21:54 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: bitcoind changes blocks every getwork regardless
1255 2011-05-02 15:22:04 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I'm not changing the bitcoind-side getwork rate at all
1256 2011-05-02 15:22:21 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that's why the pool overpays so much
1257 2011-05-02 15:22:56 <luke-jr> s/much/often
1258 2011-05-02 15:23:20 <BlueMatt> oh, you mean the payouts are only calculated when a new block is found on the network?
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1260 2011-05-02 15:24:59 <devrandom> BlueMatt - who else's signature should we get on the build?
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1262 2011-05-02 15:26:39 <BlueMatt> devrandom: IMHO, everyone, but specifically jgarzik and gavin (if you can get it going on a mac)
1263 2011-05-02 15:27:02 <devrandom> ok
1264 2011-05-02 15:27:20 <BlueMatt> luke-jr Diablo-D3 want to build bitcoin using gitian?
1265 2011-05-02 15:27:25 <devrandom> jgarzik, ayt?
1266 2011-05-02 15:27:31 <luke-jr> wtf is gitian?
1267 2011-05-02 15:27:38 <BlueMatt> deterministic building
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1269 2011-05-02 15:27:53 <BlueMatt> it will probably be used to make the bitcoin releases starting in 0.4.0
1270 2011-05-02 15:27:57 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no, bitcoind creates a new block after time passes too
1271 2011-05-02 15:28:02 <BlueMatt> and everyone's sig is welcome
1272 2011-05-02 15:28:27 <devrandom> there's a deterministic source to binary transformation, so that multiple people can build from source and get the same output.  then they all sign
1273 2011-05-02 15:28:43 <devrandom> this way we are assured that the build process has not been compromised
1274 2011-05-02 15:28:57 <devrandom> and don't have to depend on just one person
1275 2011-05-02 15:29:16 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: well I mean what it will accept, will bitcoind accept a block submission that is a couple "blocks" old as long as it has the correct previous block?
1276 2011-05-02 15:29:39 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: not sure
1277 2011-05-02 15:29:54 <BlueMatt> Id think that is where the problem lies
1278 2011-05-02 15:30:13 <BlueMatt> your pool is rejecting because it has different outputs, but bitcoind would have accepted because its still correct block order
1279 2011-05-02 15:30:34 <luke-jr> pushpoold doesn't know anything about outputs
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1281 2011-05-02 15:30:46 <BlueMatt> well how do you do the outputs?
1282 2011-05-02 15:30:52 <luke-jr> bitcoind
1283 2011-05-02 15:31:04 <BlueMatt> and does it accept differently than regular bitcoind?
1284 2011-05-02 15:31:32 <luke-jr> dunno
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1286 2011-05-02 15:31:57 <BlueMatt> well in any case, that is just my guess
1287 2011-05-02 15:33:44 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: I want to try Spesmilo.
1288 2011-05-02 15:33:52 <lulzplzkthx> I'm on Windows, and too lazy to find all the dependencies and install.
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1290 2011-05-02 15:33:59 <lulzplzkthx> So where's an executable that's not a year old? :P
1291 2011-05-02 15:34:49 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: Development forum has 0.0.1.beta1
1292 2011-05-02 15:35:05 <lulzplzkthx> Where is it currently?
1293 2011-05-02 15:35:13 <luke-jr> that's the latest release
1294 2011-05-02 15:35:21 <lulzplzkthx> Or rather, how many changes since that was released in git
1295 2011-05-02 15:35:46 <luke-jr> 10
1296 2011-05-02 15:35:54 <lulzplzkthx> Major or minor?
1297 2011-05-02 15:36:22 <luke-jr> minor
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1300 2011-05-02 15:36:38 <lulzplzkthx> k.
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1302 2011-05-02 15:40:12 <lulzplzkthx> Trying to build from source on windows, luke-jr, missing MSVCP90.dll. I thought that was part of Python that got installed when you install Python? :S
1303 2011-05-02 15:40:19 <lulzplzkthx> Oh, that's Visual C>
1304 2011-05-02 15:40:47 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: missing it for what step?
1305 2011-05-02 15:42:05 <Diablo-D3> [11:22:39] <BlueMatt> luke-jr Diablo-D3 want to build bitcoin using gitian?
1306 2011-05-02 15:42:06 <Diablo-D3> what?
1307 2011-05-02 15:42:08 <lulzplzkthx> python windows/build_win32_dist.py
1308 2011-05-02 15:42:14 <lulzplzkthx> creating python loader for extension 'bz2'
1309 2011-05-02 15:42:19 <lulzplzkthx> then that missing the dll comes up.
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1311 2011-05-02 15:42:27 <cosurgi> luke-jr: how it will work if I wanted to connect to your pool with a different address? I'm worried about negative balances
1312 2011-05-02 15:42:35 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: did you do the 'make win32prep' first?
1313 2011-05-02 15:42:50 <luke-jr> cosurgi: worried about them why?
1314 2011-05-02 15:43:01 <lulzplzkthx> heh, no, is there a readme for building or something?
1315 2011-05-02 15:43:09 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: 'winprep' I mean
1316 2011-05-02 15:43:11 <cosurgi> luke-jr: could be a problem for you. doesn't it?
1317 2011-05-02 15:43:21 <lulzplzkthx> lrelease: command not found
1318 2011-05-02 15:43:22 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: see head comments in the nsis file
1319 2011-05-02 15:43:27 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: gitian is a deterministic build system so that bitcoin can be released in a trusted mechanism without central authority
1320 2011-05-02 15:43:30 <luke-jr> cosurgi: I would consider it cheating
1321 2011-05-02 15:43:35 <BlueMatt> it will probably be used for official releases starting 0.4.0
1322 2011-05-02 15:43:36 <luke-jr> cosurgi: regardless, I fixed overpayment
1323 2011-05-02 15:43:43 <BlueMatt> care to help test by building 0.3.29?
1324 2011-05-02 15:43:46 <BlueMatt> 21*
1325 2011-05-02 15:43:48 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: also see the normal source install instructions
1326 2011-05-02 15:43:53 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: orly?
1327 2011-05-02 15:43:55 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: url?
1328 2011-05-02 15:43:59 <citiz3n> is there a bitcoin client out for windows that doesn't require installation?
1329 2011-05-02 15:44:09 <citiz3n> eg. one that could be run from a USB stick for
1330 2011-05-02 15:44:20 <lulzplzkthx> citiz3n: the Bitcoin client can be run from USB
1331 2011-05-02 15:44:23 <lulzplzkthx> one sec, let me link you
1332 2011-05-02 15:44:42 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: https://gist.github.com/806265
1333 2011-05-02 15:45:15 <cosurgi> luke-jr: ok. I'm thinking about maybe changing address, because this one was in slush's too. And why waste opportunity to group every income on different address...
1334 2011-05-02 15:46:15 <cosurgi> oops, we're 5 GHs down, since yesterday
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1336 2011-05-02 15:46:23 <Diablo-D3> http://i.imgur.com/09fM7.jpg
1337 2011-05-02 15:46:24 <lulzplzkthx> citiz3n: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4868.msg71216#msg71216
1338 2011-05-02 15:46:58 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: did he really?
1339 2011-05-02 15:47:04 <Diablo-D3> apparently.
1340 2011-05-02 15:47:21 <BlueMatt> epic
1341 2011-05-02 15:48:14 <citiz3n> thanks, lulzplzkthx
1342 2011-05-02 15:48:32 <netxshare> Pool rate: 294 Gh/s
1343 2011-05-02 15:48:34 <netxshare> o.o
1344 2011-05-02 15:48:57 <Diablo-D3> (obama_official2010.jpg) BALLS: He has them
1345 2011-05-02 15:49:08 <Diablo-D3> er, 2008
1346 2011-05-02 15:49:34 <lulzplzkthx> lol
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1348 2011-05-02 15:53:35 <codemojo> hi, is this the place to ask about curious padding in bitcoin blocks
1349 2011-05-02 15:53:52 <BlueMatt> codemojo: yep
1350 2011-05-02 15:54:11 <codemojo> BlueMatt: great
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1352 2011-05-02 15:54:28 <codemojo> 00000001 9698c83c3fe85d85835176cf02dae255813e9023f936315c0000742700000000 6f0146d49ab1d87df3e8b921867cc123f556ef4ff4fcfc92dcb562cdab785616 4dbed177 1b0098fa 00000000 000000800000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000080020000
1353 2011-05-02 15:54:37 <codemojo> suppose this is m block
1354 2011-05-02 15:54:50 <codemojo> my evn
1355 2011-05-02 15:54:59 <codemojo> the last chunk is padding
1356 2011-05-02 15:55:30 <codemojo> and 7th digit of this last chunk is an 8 (1000)
1357 2011-05-02 15:55:32 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
1358 2011-05-02 15:55:32 <gribble> 16549940.6473
1359 2011-05-02 15:55:40 <luke-jr> only 16.5 GH now? :/
1360 2011-05-02 15:55:54 <codemojo> shouldnt this 8 be at the start of padding?
1361 2011-05-02 15:56:33 <codemojo> http://www.rfc-ref.org/RFC-TEXTS/4634/chapter4.html this is my reference
1362 2011-05-02 15:58:32 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: ImportError: No module named anynumber
1363 2011-05-02 15:58:38 <lulzplzkthx> :S
1364 2011-05-02 15:59:22 <lulzplzkthx> I can't find anything about anynumber anywhere
1365 2011-05-02 15:59:35 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: make local
1366 2011-05-02 15:59:41 <luke-jr> and rtfm!
1367 2011-05-02 15:59:52 <lulzplzkthx> I'm trying to, but I really can't find shit on it in your Git thing.
1368 2011-05-02 16:00:00 <lulzplzkthx> I found a since-deleted README, and am trying to use that.
1369 2011-05-02 16:00:09 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Spesmilo#Quick_start_(from_source)
1370 2011-05-02 16:00:23 <lulzplzkthx> Might wanna include that in a README on your gitorious, yeah?
1371 2011-05-02 16:00:33 <luke-jr> pretty sure it's in the doc dir
1372 2011-05-02 16:00:44 * luke-jr should change 'make local' to use bitcoinrpc
1373 2011-05-02 16:01:00 <lulzplzkthx> It's not
1374 2011-05-02 16:01:09 <lulzplzkthx> doc/ contains INSTALL.Gentoo and INSTALL.Ubuntu
1375 2011-05-02 16:01:15 <BlueMatt> codemojo: I dont really know much about bitcoin's padding scheme personally but, it does uses a modified version of sha256, however it doesnt change the actual security thereof AFAIK
1376 2011-05-02 16:01:21 <cosurgi> ;;bc,lukepool
1377 2011-05-02 16:01:27 <gribble> 17365984.4335
1378 2011-05-02 16:01:40 <cosurgi> luke-jr: why both commands return different outputs?
1379 2011-05-02 16:01:48 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
1380 2011-05-02 16:01:48 <gribble> 17365984.4335
1381 2011-05-02 16:01:50 <lulzplzkthx> And what you just linked me to is not useful anyway, as make local just go jsonrpc, which I already installed the egg for. I then ran "make" and I'm having "lrelease" errors again
1382 2011-05-02 16:01:51 <luke-jr> they don't
1383 2011-05-02 16:01:55 <cosurgi> sorry
1384 2011-05-02 16:02:03 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: lrelease is part of PySide
1385 2011-05-02 16:02:17 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: 'make local' fetches jsonrpc and anynumber
1386 2011-05-02 16:02:19 <lulzplzkthx> I've already installed PySide
1387 2011-05-02 16:02:25 <lulzplzkthx> Okay .
1388 2011-05-02 16:02:30 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: so figure out where your lrelease cmd isn't in PATH
1389 2011-05-02 16:03:13 <lulzplzkthx> "No items match your search." for lrelease.
1390 2011-05-02 16:03:55 <codemojo> BlueMatt: thanks
1391 2011-05-02 16:04:05 <lulzplzkthx> In \Pyton27\Tools\ i have i18n, but no lrelease within.
1392 2011-05-02 16:04:16 <lulzplzkthx> Not sure i those are useful, but I see it's an i18n line.
1393 2011-05-02 16:05:51 <warpi> does anyone know why i have 0 connections.. it worked yesterday :(
1394 2011-05-02 16:06:03 <lulzplzkthx> warpi: Try adding a fallback node.
1395 2011-05-02 16:06:09 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
1396 2011-05-02 16:06:10 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.501,"low":2.75,"vol":29743,"buy":3.25,"sell":3.33,"last":3.33}}
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1398 2011-05-02 16:06:39 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: it's possible you may need to install Qt itself for lrelease
1399 2011-05-02 16:06:49 <lulzplzkthx> warpi: try running bitcoin with --addnode=64.22.103.150
1400 2011-05-02 16:06:52 <lulzplzkthx> I have Qt as well luke-jr
1401 2011-05-02 16:06:55 <warpi> lulzplzkthx, shouldnt that be default?
1402 2011-05-02 16:07:04 <lulzplzkthx> warpi: By default it connects to IRC, which might not be working for you.
1403 2011-05-02 16:07:13 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: it has no lrelease either? :/
1404 2011-05-02 16:07:20 <warpi> oki, thx for the help
1405 2011-05-02 16:08:34 <lulzplzkthx> I found an lrelease project luke-jr, but no executable. Let me see if I can compile it.
1406 2011-05-02 16:08:55 <lulzplzkthx> Ah never mind, found the exe, hold on.
1407 2011-05-02 16:12:18 <lulzplzkthx> We're getting further...
1408 2011-05-02 16:12:30 <lulzplzkthx> convert -background none icons/bitcoin32.xpm icons/bitcoin32.png
1409 2011-05-02 16:12:34 <lulzplzkthx> Invalid Parameter - none
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1411 2011-05-02 16:12:50 <jgarzik> devrandom: here
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1413 2011-05-02 16:14:10 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: What's up with the convert o.o
1414 2011-05-02 16:14:31 <devrandom> jgarzik - do you have access to an ubuntu machine with cpu virtualization?
1415 2011-05-02 16:14:37 <devrandom> i.e. that kvm works
1416 2011-05-02 16:15:01 <jgarzik> devrandom: nope.  I avoid Ubuntu.
1417 2011-05-02 16:15:12 <devrandom> or debian?
1418 2011-05-02 16:15:23 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: do you have _any_ machine with cpu virt?
1419 2011-05-02 16:15:32 <jgarzik> devrandom: nope, just a Debian VPS
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1421 2011-05-02 16:15:40 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yes, plenty of Fedora machines
1422 2011-05-02 16:15:58 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I sell dedicated servers, after all :)
1423 2011-05-02 16:16:36 <devrandom> hm... I wonder if I can get debbootstrap to run on fedora
1424 2011-05-02 16:16:40 <BlueMatt> devrandom: can he not do it without apt-cache on a fedora machine?
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1426 2011-05-02 16:16:50 TD_ is now known as TD
1427 2011-05-02 16:17:10 <devrandom> probably
1428 2011-05-02 16:17:21 <BlueMatt> Best quote about the people who killed osama: "You know I'd love to help you man, but I can't say a word about Team 6. There is no Team 6."
1429 2011-05-02 16:18:13 <warpi> this is fun :)
1430 2011-05-02 16:18:13 <warpi> Can't contact the database server: Too many connections (mysql))
1431 2011-05-02 16:18:17 <warpi> @https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page
1432 2011-05-02 16:18:18 <BlueMatt> devrandom: Id assume replace 127.0.0.1 with archive.ubuntu.org or something would work? care to try?
1433 2011-05-02 16:18:43 <lulzplzkthx> Osama Bin Laden died in 2001.
1434 2011-05-02 16:18:43 <warpi> same problem as everyone else have in the bitcoin network i suppose :)
1435 2011-05-02 16:18:52 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1436 2011-05-02 16:18:53 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.501,"low":2.75,"vol":30974,"buy":3.301,"sell":3.39,"last":3.37}}
1437 2011-05-02 16:18:53 <devrandom> BlueMatt - I don't have a fedora installation handy
1438 2011-05-02 16:18:55 <jgarzik> warpi: poke the admin, MagicalTux
1439 2011-05-02 16:19:02 <BlueMatt> warpi: good problem to have :)
1440 2011-05-02 16:19:10 <warpi> BlueMatt, sure :)
1441 2011-05-02 16:19:19 <warpi> jgarzik, is he running bitcoin.it aswell?
1442 2011-05-02 16:19:25 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: well care to test gitian on a non-ubuntu machine and help get it working?
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1445 2011-05-02 16:20:49 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: no time today :/
1446 2011-05-02 16:21:00 * jgarzik is snowed under with post-vacation work
1447 2011-05-02 16:21:17 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ah, well I hope you had a good vacation
1448 2011-05-02 16:22:06 * jgarzik is still dumping sand out of everything
1449 2011-05-02 16:22:09 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: where did you get yours? :P
1450 2011-05-02 16:22:18 * BlueMatt needs to be studying anyway, final exams over the next 3 weeks
1451 2011-05-02 16:22:46 * jgarzik got pounced on by luke-jr with bugs and patches, among other things
1452 2011-05-02 16:22:56 <devrandom> BlueMatt - maybe it's a priority to get this working on ec2 so that people with no access to ubuntu VTx machines can still build
1453 2011-05-02 16:23:03 <jgarzik> not a one of them tonal-related, so I gotta attend to those <grin>
1454 2011-05-02 16:23:08 <luke-jr> :P
1455 2011-05-02 16:23:26 <luke-jr> jgarzik: IIRC they were all simple
1456 2011-05-02 16:23:31 <jgarzik> devrandom: I think that's reasonable
1457 2011-05-02 16:23:41 <jgarzik> luke-jr: oh they were, just poking you :)
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1460 2011-05-02 16:24:08 <devrandom> oops
1461 2011-05-02 16:24:29 <BlueMatt> devrandom: I think a solution could be found which works on mac/non-vtx/ec2
1462 2011-05-02 16:24:33 <luke-jr> jgarzik: also, Diablo-D3 demands pushpoold should support illegal URIs with // in paths
1463 2011-05-02 16:24:35 <BlueMatt> virtualbox or similar maybe
1464 2011-05-02 16:24:44 <devrandom> I'll have to add VirtualBox support
1465 2011-05-02 16:24:46 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I figure ignoring his demands is fine
1466 2011-05-02 16:24:46 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rf9a328b883e1 spesmilo/Makefile: fix installing "make local" libs with "make install" http://tinyurl.com/6yhlfo6
1467 2011-05-02 16:24:48 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rc382d12beb00 spesmilo/Makefile: use bitcoinrpc for "make local" http://tinyurl.com/622byaq
1468 2011-05-02 16:25:27 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ignoring that one, at least...
1469 2011-05-02 16:25:37 <jgarzik> luke-jr: in general Diablo-D3 produces useful code
1470 2011-05-02 16:26:04 <jgarzik> devrandom: qemu
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1474 2011-05-02 16:26:16 <jgarzik> devrandom: runs anywhere, and supports hardware virt where available through KVM
1475 2011-05-02 16:26:17 <devrandom> too slow without kvm
1476 2011-05-02 16:26:34 <devrandom> it's 10x slowdown without kvm
1477 2011-05-02 16:26:54 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: eh?
1478 2011-05-02 16:27:01 <lulzplzkthx> Where did I get my...?
1479 2011-05-02 16:27:02 <BlueMatt> virtualbox non-vtx shouldnt be too slow, problem is automating it
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1481 2011-05-02 16:27:19 <devrandom> they have command line stuff, and I got part way through it
1482 2011-05-02 16:27:22 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: 'convert'
1483 2011-05-02 16:27:32 <lulzplzkthx> I don't know. I didn't even know I had it until a second ago. :P
1484 2011-05-02 16:27:40 <lulzplzkthx> It might be part of msysgit?
1485 2011-05-02 16:27:40 <devrandom> BlueMatt - hopefully I'll have time this week to continue
1486 2011-05-02 16:27:40 <luke-jr> devrandom: VirtualBox doesn't work without KVM either…
1487 2011-05-02 16:27:51 <BlueMatt> devrandom: hm, didnt know you could automate install and such on virtualbox, oh well. Have fun
1488 2011-05-02 16:28:01 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: All of this stuff is being done in msysgit atm.
1489 2011-05-02 16:28:05 <lulzplzkthx> I can try straight from cmd
1490 2011-05-02 16:28:17 <devrandom> luke-jr - it does... they actually started out as a kqemu fork
1491 2011-05-02 16:28:26 <lulzplzkthx> Never mind, make is part of msysgit so I can't.
1492 2011-05-02 16:28:42 <devrandom> luke-jr - they do code patching
1493 2011-05-02 16:28:46 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: for 32-bit vms yes, 64-bit no?
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1495 2011-05-02 16:28:59 <luke-jr> oh
1496 2011-05-02 16:29:01 <BlueMatt> devrandom: cant build 64-bit like that can you?
1497 2011-05-02 16:29:14 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: is convert supposed to be converting my filesystem...?
1498 2011-05-02 16:29:19 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: no
1499 2011-05-02 16:29:24 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: it's part of ImageMagick
1500 2011-05-02 16:29:25 <lulzplzkthx> Converts a FAT volume to NTFS.
1501 2011-05-02 16:29:26 <lulzplzkthx> :P
1502 2011-05-02 16:29:33 <lulzplzkthx> kk hold on i'll go see if i have it
1503 2011-05-02 16:29:46 <devrandom> BlueMatt - are you saying that vbox doesn't do 64bit guests without kvm?
1504 2011-05-02 16:30:11 <lulzplzkthx> I think that's correct devrandom
1505 2011-05-02 16:30:20 <devrandom> uh oh
1506 2011-05-02 16:30:21 <BlueMatt> devrandom: without vtx* I think so
1507 2011-05-02 16:30:23 <luke-jr> I used kqemu on 64-bit
1508 2011-05-02 16:30:25 <BlueMatt> vbox does no kvm stuff
1509 2011-05-02 16:30:35 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: 64-bit guests not hosts
1510 2011-05-02 16:30:45 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: pretty sure I had both
1511 2011-05-02 16:30:48 <lulzplzkthx> I was unable to run 64-bit guests on my Windows 7 machine for some reason but I forget why.
1512 2011-05-02 16:30:58 <BlueMatt> hm, it might but I dont think so...let me check
1513 2011-05-02 16:31:07 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: kqemu, not VBox :p
1514 2011-05-02 16:31:29 <luke-jr> in fact, I *had* to do 64-bit guests, on 64-bit host w/ kqemu
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1516 2011-05-02 16:31:55 <lulzplzkthx> w/ vbox i couldn't do 64-bit guests on a 64-bit host
1517 2011-05-02 16:32:23 <BlueMatt> "On the General page, you have selected a 64-bit guest OS type for this VM. As such guests require hardware virtualization (VT-x/AMD-V), this feature will be enabled automatically."
1518 2011-05-02 16:32:29 <BlueMatt> so in vbox, it cant
1519 2011-05-02 16:33:14 <BlueMatt> but honestly, that isnt much of a problem
1520 2011-05-02 16:33:27 <BlueMatt> no modern hardware doesnt support vtx unless its already a guest vm
1521 2011-05-02 16:33:37 <devrandom> but it does mean we can't use ec2
1522 2011-05-02 16:33:50 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: the only reason I'm not using my Athlon64 is because it didn't support DDR3 RAM
1523 2011-05-02 16:34:19 <luke-jr> devrandom: nah, just use kqemu :p
1524 2011-05-02 16:34:29 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: It finally built correctly, but anynumber still doesn't exist, so I think something's wrong with the make local
1525 2011-05-02 16:34:33 <BlueMatt> devrandom: true, but I dont think there is any vm that can run a 64-bit guest in a nonvtx host
1526 2011-05-02 16:34:42 <devrandom> ok
1527 2011-05-02 16:34:50 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: you made the installer?
1528 2011-05-02 16:35:12 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: kqemu, LXC, OpenVZ
1529 2011-05-02 16:35:32 <lulzplzkthx> Uh, I don't know. I thought I made Spesmilo. make local, make, ./spesmilo, and "./spesmilo" errors on No module named anynumber
1530 2011-05-02 16:35:42 <devrandom> http://wiki.qemu.org/KQemu/Doc
1531 2011-05-02 16:35:44 <BlueMatt> openvz != virtualization, only sort of. Plus that wont support mac
1532 2011-05-02 16:35:49 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: I don't know how ./spesmilo could possibly work on Windows
1533 2011-05-02 16:35:50 <BlueMatt> how many of those support osx?
1534 2011-05-02 16:35:56 <devrandom> Current versions of qemu (0.11 and up) has no support for kqemu anymore, focusing on kvm instead.
1535 2011-05-02 16:36:01 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: well considering it's simply callying main.pyo
1536 2011-05-02 16:36:07 <lulzplzkthx> it's not an actual executable.
1537 2011-05-02 16:36:08 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: it's setting PYTHONPATH first
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1539 2011-05-02 16:36:19 <lulzplzkthx> but python runs it correctly, so that doesn't matter
1540 2011-05-02 16:36:20 <lulzplzkthx> oh
1541 2011-05-02 16:36:21 <lulzplzkthx> oh!
1542 2011-05-02 16:36:22 <lulzplzkthx> okay
1543 2011-05-02 16:36:25 <lulzplzkthx> hold on
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1545 2011-05-02 16:37:38 <devrandom> BlueMatt - do you think openvz is a possibility?
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1547 2011-05-02 16:38:07 <luke-jr> LXC is more likely a possibility
1548 2011-05-02 16:38:14 <lulzplzkthx> Alright, luke-jr I exported PYTHONPATH in msysgit, and now I'm having yet another error: ValueError: unichr() arg not in range(0x10000) (narrow Python build)
1549 2011-05-02 16:38:48 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: pastebin the full error?
1550 2011-05-02 16:39:05 <BlueMatt> devrandom: for linux hosts yes, does it support mac hosts (didnt in the past) and does it support 64-bit guests on non-vtx hosts?
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1553 2011-05-02 16:39:25 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: http://pastebin.com/vvvbVQVG
1554 2011-05-02 16:39:26 <BlueMatt> no macs
1555 2011-05-02 16:39:41 <devrandom> BlueMatt - openvz is just containers, doesn't really run a vm
1556 2011-05-02 16:39:50 <BlueMatt> devrandom: Im not a big fan of openvz because its just containers
1557 2011-05-02 16:39:51 <BlueMatt> yea
1558 2011-05-02 16:40:05 <BlueMatt> its great for vms but its not idea to setup or build in
1559 2011-05-02 16:40:11 <devrandom> it probably doesn't care about bitness
1560 2011-05-02 16:40:14 <BlueMatt> sorry, it is ideal to build in
1561 2011-05-02 16:40:15 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: OpenVZ/LXC never use VT-x
1562 2011-05-02 16:40:31 <xelister> iera: hi
1563 2011-05-02 16:40:35 <iera> xelister: hi
1564 2011-05-02 16:40:37 <xelister> yo BlueMatt
1565 2011-05-02 16:40:40 <BlueMatt> sorry, didnt mean non-vtx hosts, meant can you run 64-bit guestish in 32-bit host
1566 2011-05-02 16:40:40 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: *is* ideal to build in?
1567 2011-05-02 16:40:47 <xelister> so we are setting up  onboard intel + r5970  linux (ubuntu 10.10) box
1568 2011-05-02 16:40:47 <devrandom> BlueMatt, lukejr - but maybe these are good enough for the gitian build
1569 2011-05-02 16:40:49 <xelister> any idea how to?
1570 2011-05-02 16:41:07 <BlueMatt> devrandom: openvz is great to build in because of performance but can it virtualize a different bitness
1571 2011-05-02 16:41:08 <xelister> luke-jr: has working intel + r5850 but the 5850 is accessed from vm (lxc)
1572 2011-05-02 16:41:16 <iera> hm i would try to create a xorg config with both of the r5970 and not use the intel at all
1573 2011-05-02 16:41:19 <cdecker> ;;bc,blocks
1574 2011-05-02 16:41:19 <gribble> 121449
1575 2011-05-02 16:41:20 <iera> ah
1576 2011-05-02 16:41:29 <devrandom> BlueMatt - probably not
1577 2011-05-02 16:41:41 <devrandom> could still be a solution for ec2
1578 2011-05-02 16:41:59 <xelister> iera: now booted the box, R binary driver installed. Video ooutput from intel: black scren after linux X started (before it was showing bios etc), and R is silence (no vid signal)
1579 2011-05-02 16:42:00 <BlueMatt> yea, do you want to write this thing for 40 different vms though?
1580 2011-05-02 16:42:01 <iera> BlueMatt: no it cant, think of it as a better chroot
1581 2011-05-02 16:42:11 <BlueMatt> iera: yea, thats what I thought
1582 2011-05-02 16:42:23 <iera> xelister: did you try both of the r5970 video outputs?
1583 2011-05-02 16:42:27 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: 'make local' again
1584 2011-05-02 16:42:29 <xelister> aticonfig --initial
1585 2011-05-02 16:42:30 <xelister> Found fglrx primary device section
1586 2011-05-02 16:42:32 <xelister> Fail to link to fglrx-libglx.so, please check whether driver is installed correctly
1587 2011-05-02 16:42:37 <xelister> iera: sure, like 50 times
1588 2011-05-02 16:42:41 <iera> ok
1589 2011-05-02 16:42:46 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: yes
1590 2011-05-02 16:42:51 <xelister> why the above error?
1591 2011-05-02 16:42:51 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I'm afraid that to attract more people you will need to make sobe web interface, or something
1592 2011-05-02 16:42:54 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: my 5850 mining VM is 64-bit
1593 2011-05-02 16:42:54 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: I've done it 3 times already.
1594 2011-05-02 16:42:56 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: host is 32-bit
1595 2011-05-02 16:42:57 <lulzplzkthx> But okay.
1596 2011-05-02 16:42:58 <cosurgi> ;;bc,lukepool
1597 2011-05-02 16:43:03 <gribble> 16478357.859
1598 2011-05-02 16:43:04 <lulzplzkthx> Ah, you win.
1599 2011-05-02 16:43:11 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: openvz?
1600 2011-05-02 16:43:12 <devrandom> BlueMatt - maybe just kvm and openvz...
1601 2011-05-02 16:43:18 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: LXC
1602 2011-05-02 16:43:22 <iera> xelister: hm did you install fglrx via apt? ubuntu?
1603 2011-05-02 16:43:26 <UukGoblin> hrm
1604 2011-05-02 16:43:27 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: OpenVZ too, actually
1605 2011-05-02 16:43:37 <luke-jr> just not with 5850
1606 2011-05-02 16:43:42 <BlueMatt> devrandom: hm, Id like to have mac support as well
1607 2011-05-02 16:43:45 <xelister> iera: builded amd.com's into .deb and insrtalled .deb; reinstalling now
1608 2011-05-02 16:43:52 <UukGoblin> I'm trying to find a reference that supports my claim that "setting security on an access point" is a shitty choice of words
1609 2011-05-02 16:43:53 <BlueMatt> devrandom: could just do kvm+virtualbox
1610 2011-05-02 16:44:00 <BlueMatt> sorry openvz+virtualbox
1611 2011-05-02 16:44:08 <luke-jr> openvz requires a custom kernel
1612 2011-05-02 16:44:13 <lulzplzkthx> Okay luke-jr I got the updates to anynumber, but it's still giving me the error.
1613 2011-05-02 16:44:14 <xelister> Preparing to replace fglrx 2:8.841-0ubuntu1 (using fglrx_8.841-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...
1614 2011-05-02 16:44:25 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: 'make' ;)
1615 2011-05-02 16:44:29 <lulzplzkthx> I did
1616 2011-05-02 16:44:31 <iera> xelister: something with the install isnt ok, maybe the kernel is too new for the drivers if you got .38 or something
1617 2011-05-02 16:44:34 <luke-jr> :/
1618 2011-05-02 16:44:37 <lulzplzkthx> i make clean'd, make local'd, make'd
1619 2011-05-02 16:44:42 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: that line no longer exists in the updated anynumber
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1621 2011-05-02 16:45:08 <lulzplzkthx> Well I got the insertions/deletions to anynumber, but maybe it didn't install correctly or somethin?
1622 2011-05-02 16:45:20 <xelister> iera: brb
1623 2011-05-02 16:45:20 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: sure it's the SAME error?
1624 2011-05-02 16:45:40 <lulzplzkthx> Yes.
1625 2011-05-02 16:45:41 <lulzplzkthx> Exactly.
1626 2011-05-02 16:45:50 <devrandom> BlueMatt - have to run, will think about it more... drop me a note if you have further thoughts
1627 2011-05-02 16:45:53 <luke-jr> I guess you can delete 'lib' and redo local
1628 2011-05-02 16:45:57 <lulzplzkthx> k
1629 2011-05-02 16:46:02 <BlueMatt> devrandom: see ya, will do
1630 2011-05-02 16:46:30 <lulzplzkthx> Workage!
1631 2011-05-02 16:46:32 <lulzplzkthx> Thanks luke-jr ;)
1632 2011-05-02 16:46:36 <luke-jr> :D
1633 2011-05-02 16:46:49 <lulzplzkthx> Lol, I like how American is a language >_<
1634 2011-05-02 16:46:50 <luke-jr> that bug was introduced as part of my porting anynumber to Python3
1635 2011-05-02 16:46:52 <luke-jr> :p
1636 2011-05-02 16:46:56 <lulzplzkthx> Ah, :P
1637 2011-05-02 16:46:58 <iera> luke-jr: with lxc you have a 64 bit vm inside 32 bit? how is that possible with a 32bit kernel?
1638 2011-05-02 16:47:06 <luke-jr> iera: I have a 64-bit kernel.
1639 2011-05-02 16:47:16 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: that is not what you said
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1641 2011-05-02 16:47:20 <iera> ah ok so only 32bit userland?
1642 2011-05-02 16:47:23 <luke-jr> iera: yes
1643 2011-05-02 16:47:26 <iera> ok
1644 2011-05-02 16:47:47 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it is, but I probably could have been clearer
1645 2011-05-02 16:47:54 <luke-jr> host vs guest in LXC is just userland
1646 2011-05-02 16:47:59 <luke-jr> kernel is shared across all
1647 2011-05-02 16:48:07 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: oh 32-bit userland, still I was asking about standard i386 installs of whatever
1648 2011-05-02 16:48:12 <BlueMatt> which would be 32-bit kernel
1649 2011-05-02 16:48:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: not necessarily
1650 2011-05-02 16:48:21 <luke-jr> Debian i386 supports 64-bit kernels
1651 2011-05-02 16:48:30 <BlueMatt> by default it installes 32-bit kernel?
1652 2011-05-02 16:48:31 <iera> how did you access the fgrlx stuff inside lxc?
1653 2011-05-02 16:48:36 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: dunno
1654 2011-05-02 16:48:42 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I would assume depends on hardware
1655 2011-05-02 16:49:00 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: Anyway, Id bet most linuxes install 32-bit kernel for i386 installs
1656 2011-05-02 16:49:07 <BlueMatt> by default at least
1657 2011-05-02 16:49:24 <luke-jr> iera: I simply didn't deny access to that device
1658 2011-05-02 16:49:36 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that'd be silly of them ;)
1659 2011-05-02 16:49:48 <luke-jr> no harm in a 64-bit kernel when the hardware supports it
1660 2011-05-02 16:50:10 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: well many linux installers are pretty dumb
1661 2011-05-02 16:50:21 <luke-jr> cosurgi: want to make a webpage? :P
1662 2011-05-02 16:51:12 <luke-jr> iera: also, for the sake of simplicity, my mining VM also shares the host's network stack
1663 2011-05-02 16:51:41 * luke-jr loves how LXC lets him micromanage resource sharing
1664 2011-05-02 16:51:48 <iera> luke-jr: k, ill have to look again at lxc, wanted to do it anyways, last time i tried, reboot inside the vm rebooted the host
1665 2011-05-02 16:51:54 <iera> but its an awesome project
1666 2011-05-02 16:51:58 <luke-jr> iera: be sure you configure it right ;P
1667 2011-05-02 16:52:01 <iera> yeah :p
1668 2011-05-02 16:52:10 <luke-jr> I think that one is lxc.cap.drop=sys_boot
1669 2011-05-02 16:52:15 <iera> i use vserver+nx still for some stuff
1670 2011-05-02 16:52:20 <iera> ah
1671 2011-05-02 16:52:28 <luke-jr> to be safe, I always reboot from host
1672 2011-05-02 16:53:03 <iera> right, but it would be cool to get it safe enough to be able to host vms for bad people
1673 2011-05-02 16:53:07 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: why do you mine in a vm anyway?
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1675 2011-05-02 16:53:41 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I don't trust fglrx, and it's buggy.
1676 2011-05-02 16:53:43 <lulzplzkthx> ffs, Bitcoin Toss needs to hurry up with their payment.
1677 2011-05-02 16:53:55 <lulzplzkthx> 0/unconfirmed. It's been 151 confirmations since the payment I sent them for that.
1678 2011-05-02 16:53:59 <iera> luke-jr: it still can crash your kernel :p
1679 2011-05-02 16:54:00 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it's impossible to use a 32-bit userland with 64-bit kernel with fglrx
1680 2011-05-02 16:54:07 <luke-jr> iera: for now
1681 2011-05-02 16:54:17 <luke-jr> iera: I hope to upgrade to Q67 motherboard to fix that
1682 2011-05-02 16:54:25 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ah
1683 2011-05-02 16:54:41 <BlueMatt> how does a mobo upgrade fix fglrx?
1684 2011-05-02 16:54:47 <luke-jr> VT-d support
1685 2011-05-02 16:54:53 <luke-jr> then I can use KVM
1686 2011-05-02 16:54:56 <BlueMatt> oh, ok
1687 2011-05-02 16:54:57 <luke-jr> fglrx inside the VM
1688 2011-05-02 16:55:06 <iera> with pci passthrough or?
1689 2011-05-02 16:55:11 <BlueMatt> you can attach a gcard to a kvm?
1690 2011-05-02 16:55:12 <luke-jr> yeah
1691 2011-05-02 16:55:17 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: onyl with VT-d
1692 2011-05-02 16:55:22 <iera> ah i thought it only works with xen
1693 2011-05-02 16:55:23 <luke-jr> (not VT-x)
1694 2011-05-02 16:55:53 <luke-jr> iera: it's all pre-beta stuff still
1695 2011-05-02 16:56:00 <BlueMatt> ah, nice
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1697 2011-05-02 16:56:12 <luke-jr> but I only have until May 18 to return my H67
1698 2011-05-02 16:56:13 <luke-jr> :/
1699 2011-05-02 16:56:21 <luke-jr> and nobody seems to be selling Q67 yet
1700 2011-05-02 16:56:32 <iera> a shame you cant turn off a card completely
1701 2011-05-02 16:56:40 <luke-jr> iera: ?
1702 2011-05-02 16:56:43 <iera> otherwise i would just use 2 cards and one for windows inside kvm
1703 2011-05-02 16:56:50 <iera> and start it up when i want to play something
1704 2011-05-02 16:56:59 <luke-jr> ah
1705 2011-05-02 16:57:10 <luke-jr> well, I just VNC to my LXC when I want to play PS2 games
1706 2011-05-02 16:57:20 <luke-jr> which is the only thing that doesn't work on my APU
1707 2011-05-02 16:57:27 <iera> lol
1708 2011-05-02 16:57:35 <iera> ok, didnt know vnc was fast enough for that
1709 2011-05-02 16:57:45 <luke-jr> it's just localhost :P
1710 2011-05-02 16:57:49 <BlueMatt> when its to localhost
1711 2011-05-02 16:57:54 <iera> did you measure the max speed via lo?
1712 2011-05-02 16:57:59 <luke-jr> no
1713 2011-05-02 16:58:06 <iera> hm, interesting
1714 2011-05-02 16:58:07 <luke-jr> I just know it works
1715 2011-05-02 16:58:09 <luke-jr> :p
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1717 2011-05-02 16:58:12 <iera> hehe
1718 2011-05-02 16:58:18 <iera> which resolution?
1719 2011-05-02 16:58:25 <iera> does it look blocky?
1720 2011-05-02 16:58:27 <luke-jr> dunno, I maximize it
1721 2011-05-02 16:58:44 <luke-jr> so something under 1920x1080
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1723 2011-05-02 16:59:01 <iera> ok
1724 2011-05-02 16:59:48 <malnilion> Is this the proper channel to inquire about a runtime error in bitcoin for windows?
1725 2011-05-02 17:00:09 <iera> i think so
1726 2011-05-02 17:00:53 <BlueMatt> malnilion: probably
1727 2011-05-02 17:01:18 <malnilion> Okay, well should I pastebin the error dialogs I get or is there a .log that would be preferred?
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1731 2011-05-02 17:03:18 <BlueMatt> malnilion: the errors first, then maybe the debug.log
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1733 2011-05-02 17:06:57 <malnilion> Alright, gimme a sec, it's not letting me copy and paste from the dialogs, so I'm typing them.
1734 2011-05-02 17:08:01 <phantomcircuit> malnilion, that's on purpose to encourage people to submit the issue reports to Microsoft, apparently having crash statistics for competitors programs is valuable....
1735 2011-05-02 17:08:02 <malnilion> BlueMatt, http://pastebin.com/Sn4uWdDA
1736 2011-05-02 17:08:31 <malnilion> phantomcircuit, that'd be great except that the whole MS submit thing isn't coming up :P
1737 2011-05-02 17:09:13 <phantomcircuit> oh you've got a runtime exception dialog
1738 2011-05-02 17:09:14 <BlueMatt> malnilion: looks like the download didnt work right, that appears to be that part of the file is missing
1739 2011-05-02 17:09:20 <phantomcircuit> lol yeah those are just poorly engineered
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1743 2011-05-02 17:12:37 <malnilion> BlueMatt, so are you suggesting I redownload bitcoin and try reinstalling? I did that with no joy. This might sound like a strange question, but could a Windows Update have broken bitcoin for me?
1744 2011-05-02 17:13:56 <BlueMatt> probably not
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1746 2011-05-02 17:15:59 <nanotube> just from a brief look at that... it seems that maybe there's something wrong with the dbs - it's getting unexpected eof from reading some file...
1747 2011-05-02 17:16:05 <topi`> it seems lukejr's pool is sending bits of the generated 50.0 btc to everyone involved in the pool. how is that done?
1748 2011-05-02 17:16:22 <topi`> I mean, there's a input:50.0 btc (generated) and then several outputs to several addresses
1749 2011-05-02 17:17:11 <BlueMatt> oops missed the read part, in that case delete all files except wallet.dat from your Bitcoin AppData folder
1750 2011-05-02 17:17:14 <phantomcircuit> malnilion, what version is it exactly?
1751 2011-05-02 17:17:40 <malnilion> 0.3.21, but I tried reverting to 0.3.20 to see if that would fix it
1752 2011-05-02 17:17:41 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, the error doesn't make any sense, AppInit basically just calls AppInit2
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1754 2011-05-02 17:18:19 <phantomcircuit> oh which catches std::exception and pretends like it's AppInit
1755 2011-05-02 17:18:20 <phantomcircuit> sigh
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1759 2011-05-02 17:22:37 <malnilion> You folks want me to post the error part of my debug.log?
1760 2011-05-02 17:23:04 <BlueMatt> try deleting all but wallet.dat in your bitcoin appdata folder
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1762 2011-05-02 17:24:03 <malnilion> BlueMatt, okay, sure thing, one sec.
1763 2011-05-02 17:25:24 <malnilion> BlueMatt, well that got me up and running. My transactions are now shown unconfirmed, though.
1764 2011-05-02 17:25:47 <BlueMatt> yea, it has to redownload the blockchain
1765 2011-05-02 17:25:54 <BlueMatt> then they should go back to confirmed and such
1766 2011-05-02 17:26:12 <malnilion> BlueMatt, thanks a bunch!
1767 2011-05-02 17:26:29 <BlueMatt> thank nanotube hes the one who figured it ou
1768 2011-05-02 17:26:31 <BlueMatt> t
1769 2011-05-02 17:26:41 <malnilion> I have the pastebin from my debug.log if it'd be of any help: http://pastebin.com/SVNJEaTr
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1779 2011-05-02 17:44:51 <jgarzik> sipa, BlueMatt: please word-wrap your git commits at <= 75 chars
1780 2011-05-02 17:45:12 <jgarzik> sipa, BlueMatt: makes 'git log' viewing much more sane, at command line
1781 2011-05-02 17:45:24 <jgarzik> git commit descriptions, that is
1782 2011-05-02 17:45:46 <gjs278> never
1783 2011-05-02 17:45:49 <gjs278> if technology
1784 2011-05-02 17:45:53 <gjs278> cannot handle wordwrapping
1785 2011-05-02 17:45:55 <gjs278> it should be killed
1786 2011-05-02 17:45:56 <luke-jr> jgarzik: changing human behaviour to give inaccurate data to workaround a software bug is silly
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1788 2011-05-02 17:46:19 <luke-jr> git log should be fixed to do its own wrapping correctly. or the terminal mayeb
1789 2011-05-02 17:46:29 <jgarzik> fixing that requires a time machine
1790 2011-05-02 17:46:40 <luke-jr> why?
1791 2011-05-02 17:46:47 <Diablo-D3> [01:40:10] <jgarzik> sipa, BlueMatt: please word-wrap your git commits at <= 75 chars
1792 2011-05-02 17:46:49 <Diablo-D3> fuck that dude
1793 2011-05-02 17:46:51 <gjs278> I don't wrap my emails unless they refuse to send
1794 2011-05-02 17:46:52 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sorry, will do
1795 2011-05-02 17:46:52 <Diablo-D3> I dont line wrap my commits
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1797 2011-05-02 17:47:21 <BlueMatt> I just tend to prefer first line==important stuff, the rest==descriptions
1798 2011-05-02 17:47:51 <luke-jr> jgarzik: why does fixing git log require a time machine?
1799 2011-05-02 17:48:17 <gjs278> my guess is it would start word wrapping on people that manually word wrapped their posts when they shouldnt have
1800 2011-05-02 17:48:35 <luke-jr> gjs278: it shouldn't.
1801 2011-05-02 17:48:52 <luke-jr> gjs278: unless the terminal really is smaller than where they wrapped it, in which case it's screwed anyway
1802 2011-05-02 17:48:56 <gjs278> yeah
1803 2011-05-02 17:49:13 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: that's not a preference... that's how git is coded.  First line is used in 'git shortlog' summaries
1804 2011-05-02 17:49:27 <jgarzik> so first line is, indeed, more important.  it summarizes the entire commit.
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1807 2011-05-02 17:51:14 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sorry, never done much with git, there really should be a faq with this stuff in there...
1808 2011-05-02 17:51:22 <gjs278> don't give in
1809 2011-05-02 17:52:27 <bencoder> how many confirms does clearcoin take to confirm? does anybody know?
1810 2011-05-02 17:52:53 <luke-jr> I guess the real bug is in 'less'
1811 2011-05-02 17:53:08 <luke-jr> it has no option to wrap on line breaks and such
1812 2011-05-02 17:53:11 <luke-jr> err
1813 2011-05-02 17:53:15 <luke-jr> on word breaks
1814 2011-05-02 17:53:30 <jgarzik> bencoder: search the forums for this sort of thing...  http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5147.msg75185#msg75185
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1817 2011-05-02 17:55:02 <bencoder> thanks, jgarzik
1818 2011-05-02 17:55:19 <jgarzik> bencoder: apparently, when you mention clearcoin, gavinandresen appears like magic.
1819 2011-05-02 17:55:28 <gavinandresen> what huh?
1820 2011-05-02 17:55:31 <jgarzik> beetlejuice.  beetlejuice.  beetlejuice.
1821 2011-05-02 17:55:32 <Diablo-D3> HAH
1822 2011-05-02 17:55:33 * jgarzik waits
1823 2011-05-02 17:55:40 <bencoder> jgarzik: :D
1824 2011-05-02 17:55:45 <Diablo-D3> [01:50:38] <jgarzik> bencoder: apparently, when you mention clearcoin, gavinandresen appears like magic.
1825 2011-05-02 17:55:45 <Diablo-D3> [01:50:47] <gavinandresen> what huh?
1826 2011-05-02 17:55:48 <Diablo-D3> lol
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1828 2011-05-02 17:56:08 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: nothing :) bencoder asked for # of clearcoin confirmations required, and I dug up http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5147.msg75185#msg75185
1829 2011-05-02 17:56:18 <Diablo-D3> wtf is clearcoin?
1830 2011-05-02 17:56:26 <gavinandresen> "THREE shall be the number, and the number shall be THREE."
1831 2011-05-02 17:56:38 <Diablo-D3> not 4, and 5 is right out, etc etc
1832 2011-05-02 17:56:39 <jgarzik> Four is right out.
1833 2011-05-02 17:57:02 <bencoder> yep... just been no confirms for almost 30 minutes now... going to need to release in about 40 minutes... hopefully the next few will come in quick...
1834 2011-05-02 17:57:58 <gavinandresen> I should teach ClearCoin to allow pre-releasing... "release X coins ASAP" would be darn useful
1835 2011-05-02 17:58:09 <bencoder> yeah
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1837 2011-05-02 17:58:36 <luke-jr> ok, emailed the author of 'less' with two feature requests :P
1838 2011-05-02 17:58:45 <bencoder> haha
1839 2011-05-02 17:58:57 <luke-jr> to wrap on word boundaries, and indent wrapped lines
1840 2011-05-02 17:58:59 <luke-jr> both per option
1841 2011-05-02 17:59:22 <cosurgi> bc,lukepool
1842 2011-05-02 17:59:27 <luke-jr> this will allow jgarzik to view properly formatted commit messages in the way he likes, without messing with the commit message itself
1843 2011-05-02 17:59:31 <cosurgi> ;;bc,lukepool
1844 2011-05-02 17:59:33 <gribble> 16005911.4564
1845 2011-05-02 17:59:37 <cosurgi> :(
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1849 2011-05-02 18:00:55 <luke-jr> cosurgi: I was thinking about dividing TOTAL pool generation ever by TOTAL shares ever
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1852 2011-05-02 18:01:09 <luke-jr> cosurgi: that way shares always have the same value
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1854 2011-05-02 18:01:21 <luke-jr> even for "quick" blocks, and absurdly long blocks
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1856 2011-05-02 18:03:15 <cosurgi> luke-jr: how this could work? you would pay less on quick blocks, but you would have to pay much more on long blocks.
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1858 2011-05-02 18:03:29 <cosurgi> luke-jr: you could go bankrupt.
1859 2011-05-02 18:03:39 <luke-jr> cosurgi: retroactively
1860 2011-05-02 18:03:59 <luke-jr> so for 3 blocks, there would be 150 BTC total distributed period
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1862 2011-05-02 18:04:22 <luke-jr> but yes, I did observe in theory that accounts could easily become negative
1863 2011-05-02 18:04:28 <luke-jr> which is the problem
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1868 2011-05-02 18:07:41 <BlueMatt> hey both gavin and jgarzk are back on the same day
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1878 2011-05-02 18:23:46 <jlewis> so i've got the rpc thread doing asynchronous IO
1879 2011-05-02 18:23:57 <jlewis> well, minus ssl - that's coming next
1880 2011-05-02 18:24:16 <jlewis> boost::asio is pretty nice
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1882 2011-05-02 18:26:18 <kfr> Yes, ASIO is sweet
1883 2011-05-02 18:26:40 <netxshare> http://www.bitshift.io/gadgets/deepbit/
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1885 2011-05-02 18:28:56 <CoinMan> Hey guys.  Has a manditory transaction fee been imposed in the bitcoin client?
1886 2011-05-02 18:29:12 <kfr> o_o
1887 2011-05-02 18:29:16 <gavinandresen> Mac version of bitcoin 0.3.21 is up and available.
1888 2011-05-02 18:29:32 <kfr> CoinMan whom would the fees go to?
1889 2011-05-02 18:29:50 <CoinMan> I ask, because I did a test x-fer of .01 to another wallet and it charged a .01 fee, my client clearly states 0.00 for transaction fee
1890 2011-05-02 18:29:54 <jgarzik> jlewis: great!  definitely looking forward to a patch / pull request on that
1891 2011-05-02 18:30:04 <CoinMan> it wen to the person that solved thte block my trans is in
1892 2011-05-02 18:30:53 <jgarzik> jlewis: most high performance HTTP servers simply buffer until \n\n or \r\n\r\n is seen inside the buffer (closing cxn if buffer overflows), and then process the entire http request at once
1893 2011-05-02 18:30:59 <jgarzik> jlewis: does your implementation behave similarly?
1894 2011-05-02 18:31:03 <CoinMan> debit was .02 credit to my wallet was .01 and I was like? huh...checked my client, 0.00 trans fee, checked the blockexplorer and see it charged me a fee
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1896 2011-05-02 18:31:36 <jgarzik> CoinMan: young coins, tiny amounts, coins sent to self, all sorts of things can trigger TX fee
1897 2011-05-02 18:31:40 <gavinandresen> CoinMan: see http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6642.msg99523#msg99523
1898 2011-05-02 18:32:31 <gavinandresen> jlewis, jgarzik:  is there any benefit to asio RPC?  Most of the RPC calls acquire one of the 'big locks' first-thing, so won't you just end up with a bunch of threads waiting ?
1899 2011-05-02 18:32:55 <CoinMan> Thanks guys.  I just wanted to make sure this was right!
1900 2011-05-02 18:33:04 <kfr> ASIO uses IOCP/epoll/kqueue and scales heavily with large amounts of connections
1901 2011-05-02 18:33:04 <CoinMan> I can see now it's all good.  Appreciate the replies.
1902 2011-05-02 18:33:08 <kfr> That's why I primarily used it
1903 2011-05-02 18:33:20 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: the current single-threaded implementation is DoS'able too easily.  it's just not robust, even for friendly [yet buggy] clients.
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1905 2011-05-02 18:33:26 <kfr> For applications which deal with tons of connections
1906 2011-05-02 18:34:01 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: there's no reason to for faster client B, who is ready with an HTTP request + body, to wait for slower client A to time out
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1908 2011-05-02 18:34:08 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: request can really pile up
1909 2011-05-02 18:34:10 <jgarzik> requests
1910 2011-05-02 18:34:41 <gavinandresen> my point is that slower client a probably has the csMapWallet or csMain locked, so B will end up waiting anyway
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1912 2011-05-02 18:35:07 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: the current implementation blocks on all sorts of transient network conditions unrelated to such locks
1913 2011-05-02 18:35:12 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I see it in the field all the time
1914 2011-05-02 18:35:18 <luke-jr> jlewis: so how about multithreading?
1915 2011-05-02 18:35:21 <gavinandresen> Right, so it seems to me we should fix that BEFORE doing asi.
1916 2011-05-02 18:36:02 <gavinandresen> (e.g. right now a send can take multiple seconds to complete, and in those multiple seconds no other RPC calls can proceeed because the send has the wallet locked, etc etc)
1917 2011-05-02 18:36:20 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I have a multithreaded version that locks by default (so certain RPC calls unlock)
1918 2011-05-02 18:36:31 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I have to set rpctimeout stupidly low to make it usable for high volumes of requests
1919 2011-05-02 18:36:38 <luke-jr> but it doesn't work with USE_SSL defined for some reason
1920 2011-05-02 18:36:39 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: so this solves an immediate problem for me
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1923 2011-05-02 18:37:00 <jgarzik> async I/O or threading, doesn't matter to me
1924 2011-05-02 18:37:19 <gavinandresen> luke-jr:  look into how openssl handles multithreading. Maybe a call to openssl_init (or whatever it is) in the right place will fix.
1925 2011-05-02 18:37:20 <jgarzik> getting rid of this one-at-a-time processing pipeline is the main priority
1926 2011-05-02 18:37:44 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: maybe, but tbh I don't care for SSL right now
1927 2011-05-02 18:38:10 <jgarzik> a critical section or spinlock is really fast (though you might be waiting on ECDSA inside such a lock...)
1928 2011-05-02 18:38:12 <luke-jr> kinda got annoyed with it after trying to make it work for a few hours
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1930 2011-05-02 18:39:18 <jgarzik> With threading, be warned it's easy to create an easily-DoS'd naive implementation.  You don't wanna fork off a thread for each new connection; that allows third parties to DoS your RPC without a password.
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1932 2011-05-02 18:39:36 <luke-jr> jgarzik: only if they can connect
1933 2011-05-02 18:39:59 <jgarzik> luke-jr: we cannot assume all bitcoin RPC users employ a firewall
1934 2011-05-02 18:40:04 <luke-jr> sure
1935 2011-05-02 18:40:09 <jgarzik> luke-jr: and rpcallowip operates at too high a level
1936 2011-05-02 18:40:14 <luke-jr> so probably a combination of async and threading is needed
1937 2011-05-02 18:40:39 <antivigilante> how do I remove an address on my system?
1938 2011-05-02 18:40:50 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  what's banging hard on RPC for you?  getwork?
1939 2011-05-02 18:40:50 * jgarzik has received much trouble from throwing high volumes of RPC at bitcoind... and given this a ton of thought :)  Both thread-wise and async I/O-wise.
1940 2011-05-02 18:41:29 <antivigilante> i can't run the bitcoin gui because debian hasn't packaged the wxwidgets 2.9
1941 2011-05-02 18:42:03 <luke-jr> jgarzik: my bitcoind setup actively requires multithreaded ;p
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1943 2011-05-02 18:42:05 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: getwork plus additional scanning.  I need to get real-time transaction list with many of the getworks, and I need to perform getblockcount + listtransactions + getblockcount triplet to guarantee listtransaction data accuracy.  bang bang bang on the RPC port.
1944 2011-05-02 18:42:50 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I have lots of pool servers talking to the same bitcoind, so it's not the normal model of "one website == one main bitcoin RPC user"
1945 2011-05-02 18:43:30 <gavinandresen> Supporting json-2.0 multi-sends might help more than multithreading; for getwork, seems like a proxy or dedicated half-node that is optimized just for getwork might be a better direction to go.
1946 2011-05-02 18:43:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: a RPC call to getwork on my bitcoind, blocks on other RPC calls
1947 2011-05-02 18:43:40 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: and consequently, with multiple RPC users, there is much higher failure rate... and each failure pauses rpctimeout length of time
1948 2011-05-02 18:43:54 <jgarzik> it can get painful
1949 2011-05-02 18:44:11 <jgarzik> a 100-line libevent server works better than this :)
1950 2011-05-02 18:44:31 <xelister> jgarzik: ramdisk
1951 2011-05-02 18:44:43 <jgarzik> buffalo steak
1952 2011-05-02 18:44:44 <gavinandresen> Well, current implementation is being stretched in a lot of different directions all at once
1953 2011-05-02 18:44:53 <xelister> motherfuckers do you use it
1954 2011-05-02 18:45:50 <xelister> # aticonfig --initial
1955 2011-05-02 18:45:51 <xelister> Found fglrx primary device section   Fail to link to fglrx-libglx.so, please check whether driver is installed correctly
1956 2011-05-02 18:45:52 <xelister> Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf  Saving back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-7
1957 2011-05-02 18:46:02 <xelister> any thoughts?   onboard intel is on the fuck,   radeon is on.  both cards in lspci
1958 2011-05-02 18:46:15 <jgarzik> suffice to say, RPC server doesn't look like any other production HTTP server out there.  If jlewis wants to create an async I/O solution, that's awesome.  It solves a real design problem.
1959 2011-05-02 18:46:31 <xelister> # dpkg -l *deb
1960 2011-05-02 18:46:33 <xelister> No packages found matching fglrx_8.841-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb.
1961 2011-05-02 18:46:34 <xelister> No packages found matching fglrx-amdcccle_8.841-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb.
1962 2011-05-02 18:46:36 <xelister> No packages found matching fglrx-dev_8.841-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb.
1963 2011-05-02 18:46:37 <xelister> No packages found matching fglrx-modaliases_8.841-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb.
1964 2011-05-02 18:46:39 <xelister> shouldnt they be visible after I just installed them?
1965 2011-05-02 18:46:45 <gjs278> sure
1966 2011-05-02 18:47:05 <xelister> so why they arent :{
1967 2011-05-02 18:47:17 <gavinandresen> I'm not convinced it will solve the problem; I'm concerned it will just add complexity and move the problem deeper in.
1968 2011-05-02 18:47:22 * luke-jr pushes his latest threaded branch
1969 2011-05-02 18:47:51 <xelister> why we need IO at all? disk IO?
1970 2011-05-02 18:48:14 <gavinandresen> I'm happy to be proven wrong-- deploy it on a high-volume bitcoin-processing site and show that it is faster/better/more stable....
1971 2011-05-02 18:48:45 * luke-jr also shares his coinbaser branch for the first time
1972 2011-05-02 18:49:27 <jgarzik> <shrug>  Having tackled this problem on the kernel side, and now in writing userland servers, I am convinced.  It only rewrites the HTTP processing loop; requests themselves continue to be executed serially, until someone tackles the locking stuff.
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1974 2011-05-02 18:51:44 <cosurgi> luke-jr: why currently generated block sums to 47.23 BTC, and not to 50 ?
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1976 2011-05-02 18:51:56 <jgarzik> This is network server writing 101.  Really.  Name a production HTTP (or other data) server, and that's how they implement processing: async I/O, often coupled with a small number of pre-forked or pre-executed threads.
1977 2011-05-02 18:52:12 <jgarzik> satoshi even got it right, with the P2P code.
1978 2011-05-02 18:52:17 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I took current_block.json, and summed all rewards in it.
1979 2011-05-02 18:52:26 <luke-jr> cosurgi: earnings under 1 BTC
1980 2011-05-02 18:53:07 <cosurgi> luke-jr: ok, so this extra ~3 BTC is stored to payout later.
1981 2011-05-02 18:53:14 <cosurgi> makes sense, thx
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1983 2011-05-02 18:54:07 <luke-jr> cosurgi: not *exactly*, but more or less
1984 2011-05-02 18:54:14 <cosurgi> that's fine.
1985 2011-05-02 18:54:30 <cosurgi> we're quite unlucky now.
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1987 2011-05-02 18:54:34 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  sure... I'm just not sure putting a full-blown multithreaded or asio web server inside bitcoin/bitcoind is the best architecture.  Maybe the serving component should be separate, and bitcoin/bitcoind should be stripped down to what it does best
1988 2011-05-02 18:54:45 <cosurgi> ;;bc,calc [bc,lukepool]
1989 2011-05-02 18:54:46 <jgarzik> My employer has been in the trenches of HTTP server optimization for well over a decade.  Every inch of the system has been profiled.  We even created a kernel-based HTTP server for certain types of content.  HTTP is Linux's bread and butter, and the bottlenecks are well known for years now.
1990 2011-05-02 18:54:47 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr threaded_rpc * reaafa3377fe2 bitcoind-personal/ (makefile.unix rpc.cpp): Put JSON-RPC connections into their own threads, so they can run in parallel UNSTABLE WITH USE_SSL http://tinyurl.com/3m58om6
1991 2011-05-02 18:54:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 14989435.863 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 8 hours, 43 minutes, and 44 seconds
1992 2011-05-02 18:54:48 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr threaded_rpc * rdadb3618aa26 bitcoind-personal/rpc.cpp: allow other JSON-RPC during getwork http://tinyurl.com/3lkj62j
1993 2011-05-02 18:54:49 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr coinbaser * r1c1e01a9479a bitcoind-personal/main.cpp: Execute command specified by -coinbaser when creating a new block, which can output data to control where the generation goes http://tinyurl.com/3uayu3d
1994 2011-05-02 18:54:51 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr coinbaser * ree3ce9f4fb84 bitcoind-personal/main.cpp: coinbaser: replace %d in command line with available funds http://tinyurl.com/42b9dg3
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1996 2011-05-02 18:55:08 <luke-jr> there it is
1997 2011-05-02 18:55:38 <luke-jr> jgarzik: gavinandresen: ^ thoughts?
1998 2011-05-02 18:56:04 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  so how can we leverage all that great work on a kernel-based HTTP server?   I've only got half-baked thoughts....
1999 2011-05-02 18:56:30 <jgarzik> basically bitcoin reinvents an HTTP server... poorly
2000 2011-05-02 18:56:31 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  ... maybe a well-defined shared memory or message queue interface to the bitcoin process....
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2002 2011-05-02 18:56:36 <jgarzik> rather than using code already intended for HTTP serving
2003 2011-05-02 18:57:05 <luke-jr> jgarzik: pushpoold has memory leaks galore it seems :|
2004 2011-05-02 18:57:18 <jgarzik> luke-jr: not according to my valgrind
2005 2011-05-02 18:57:20 <luke-jr> just had to restart it to fix apache
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2007 2011-05-02 18:58:10 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: it sounds like you're just trying real hard to avoid using standard HTTP server code already in boost :)   If people put HTTP server code in a library, let's use it, rather than rolling our own and doing it poorly.
2008 2011-05-02 18:58:31 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: the kernel stuff was mainly for static content, alas
2009 2011-05-02 18:59:14 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I don't see anything in my patches that would have added a leak
2010 2011-05-02 18:59:15 <jgarzik> You gain the advantages of having an HTTP server that looks and works like all the others, rather than one with weird delays and quirks unique to us
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2012 2011-05-02 18:59:51 <jgarzik> bugs are shared, eyes are shared, all the standard advantages of library code
2013 2011-05-02 19:00:00 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  I'm NOT suggesting rolling our own; I'm suggesting maybe a lower-level interface to the state of bitcoin, with a mod_bitcoin for apache, etc (web-server-specific code for high performance RPC serving)
2014 2011-05-02 19:00:09 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: we've _already_ rolled our own
2015 2011-05-02 19:00:22 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: and quirks unique to bitcoin have already appeared (RPC delays)
2016 2011-05-02 19:00:41 <jgarzik> that's the problem.  we should be using HTTP server code provided in libraries to which we already link.
2017 2011-05-02 19:01:33 <gavinandresen> Last time I looked, the boost http support was very low-level; am I missing a higher-level boost http library?
2018 2011-05-02 19:02:21 <kfr> gavinandresen: I have complained to them about this before but they always rejected any such "higher level" protocol implementations afaik because it's not "fundamental enough"
2019 2011-05-02 19:02:43 <DukeOfURL> 	does anyone know if there is a free web service that provides currency conversion rates? A REST interface would be fantastic.
2020 2011-05-02 19:03:17 <jgarzik> it's low level + common design patterns
2021 2011-05-02 19:03:19 <jgarzik> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_38_0/doc/html/boost_asio/examples.html
2022 2011-05-02 19:04:20 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  ... that looks a lot like "rolling our own" to me...
2023 2011-05-02 19:04:31 <jgarzik> heck, even copying select(2) code from net.cpp (P2P stuff) would be better than what we have
2024 2011-05-02 19:04:50 * [Tycho] installed one more 5970, this time a Saphire one. But CCC and Afterburner don't allow me to change it's fan speed. Hmm !
2025 2011-05-02 19:04:57 <kfr> Btw I've written a HTTP server in boost::asio at some point
2026 2011-05-02 19:05:09 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: it's reusing server code and design patterns used by the boost community, rather than creating own our "accept connection + start ReadHTTP thread + wait + timeout" code
2027 2011-05-02 19:05:22 <EPiSKiNG> with a 2x5970 rig, what speed CPU would I need to make sure I'm getting full potential
2028 2011-05-02 19:05:25 <EPiSKiNG> ?
2029 2011-05-02 19:05:27 <kfr> https://github.com/epicvrvs/theodwalha that code is oooold and I never really ended up using it
2030 2011-05-02 19:05:36 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, CPU doesn't matters
2031 2011-05-02 19:05:50 <kfr> EPiSKiNG: 100 MHz?
2032 2011-05-02 19:06:08 <cosurgi> EPiSKiNG: I've put cheapest semprons in all my mining rigs
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2034 2011-05-02 19:06:16 <jgarzik> if the current rpc.cpp were submitted as a new pull request, we would be asking why it doesn't look like other HTTP servers (even simple ones) out there
2035 2011-05-02 19:06:18 <kfr> I think people usually try to get the cheapest single core AMD CPU possible
2036 2011-05-02 19:06:22 <kfr> Semprons yeah
2037 2011-05-02 19:06:30 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  what problem does it solve?   Without fixing the locking (which is the real problem, IMHO), I don't see how it fixes anything.
2038 2011-05-02 19:06:56 <EPiSKiNG> I've noticed that the 5970 will peg my processor at 100%
2039 2011-05-02 19:07:03 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: only with SDK 2.2+
2040 2011-05-02 19:07:11 <EPiSKiNG> so I need 2.1 for sure
2041 2011-05-02 19:07:22 <BlueMatt> or 2.5
2042 2011-05-02 19:07:26 <BlueMatt> 2.4*
2043 2011-05-02 19:07:31 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I already listed the problems
2044 2011-05-02 19:08:16 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: specifically, buggy clients can sometimes connect + do nothing, and you're forced to wait the network timeout.  totally unrelated to locking.
2045 2011-05-02 19:08:46 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: other times, slowly sending HTTP request pauses other clients, creating unwanted latency
2046 2011-05-02 19:08:59 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: that occurs frequently over WAN
2047 2011-05-02 19:09:02 <gavinandresen> ... and we'd have to trade that problem with "make sure not more than N clients connect at once and do nothing"
2048 2011-05-02 19:09:19 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: ?  async I/O has no problem with that.
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2050 2011-05-02 19:09:50 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: the current code, OTOH, -does- pause horribly in that exact situation.
2051 2011-05-02 19:11:02 <gavinandresen> Ok.  If asio fixes that, then great!
2052 2011-05-02 19:11:16 <jgarzik> async I/O eliminates a long list of network-related issues that are common and well known.  The RPC "execution engine" should not have to worry about anything except executing fully received and parsed HTTP requests.
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2054 2011-05-02 19:13:05 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, otoh synchronous io reduces context switches
2055 2011-05-02 19:13:07 <jgarzik> Right now, if a third party knows of an RPC endpoint somewhere on the Internet, they can cause continuous pauses for that bitcoin server.
2056 2011-05-02 19:13:10 <jgarzik> even with SSL
2057 2011-05-02 19:13:23 <jgarzik> no need for password or rpcallowip access
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2059 2011-05-02 19:15:32 <jgarzik> actually, SSL might even make the problem worse
2060 2011-05-02 19:15:47 <jgarzik> if you have to wait around for a bogus SSL negotiation to fail
2061 2011-05-02 19:15:54 <jgarzik> while valid RPC requests stack up behind it
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2067 2011-05-02 19:18:42 <gavinandresen> My concern is just that bitcoin is being pulled in lots of different directions, and asked to do more and more ("it is a GUI for your wallet!"  "It is a multi-user wallet keeper!"  "It relays transactions!" etc etc).  My gut feeling is splitting it up would be better, rather than building more functionality in.
2068 2011-05-02 19:19:01 <gavinandresen> And yeah, I'm as guilty as anybody of adding more stuff.
2069 2011-05-02 19:20:23 <citiz3n> bitcoin is great at what it does right now, and its adoption has shown that
2070 2011-05-02 19:21:02 <BlueMatt> then we need to sit down now and decide where we want to go with bitcoin (I like the wallet-net-etc-separation)
2071 2011-05-02 19:21:08 <citiz3n> anyone can make their own bitcoin client to suit their needs
2072 2011-05-02 19:21:31 <citiz3n> so it doesn't make sense to muddy up the "official" client with new features
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2074 2011-05-02 19:23:05 <BlueMatt> citiz3n: irrelivant, we need to try to make the best client we can
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2076 2011-05-02 19:23:55 <citiz3n> i guess im just saying new features should be very carefully considered
2077 2011-05-02 19:24:19 <luke-jr> just keep 0.3 as it is, and add any new features to a 0.4 :p
2078 2011-05-02 19:24:23 <luke-jr> then everyone's happy
2079 2011-05-02 19:24:26 <BlueMatt> we should make a client we think is the most useful and let others deal with other cases
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2081 2011-05-02 19:24:48 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: we dont have the resources to start making branches
2082 2011-05-02 19:24:51 <citiz3n> is there a place where new ideas/features are being put out on the table
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2084 2011-05-02 19:24:54 <citiz3n> for input
2085 2011-05-02 19:24:57 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it's not difficult.
2086 2011-05-02 19:25:07 <citiz3n> I'd be curious to see what ideas have been proposed, and which ideas are getting the most traction
2087 2011-05-02 19:25:22 <luke-jr> this "stable branches" take resources myth is increasingly problematic IMO
2088 2011-05-02 19:25:28 <luke-jr> this "stable branches take resources" myth is increasingly problematic IMO
2089 2011-05-02 19:25:45 <BlueMatt> I think while we are reorging the sourcetree anyway, we should go for splitting net, wallet, gui, etc
2090 2011-05-02 19:25:52 <BlueMatt> that shouldnt be _too_ hard
2091 2011-05-02 19:26:27 <luke-jr> well, net and wallet "need" to be intrinsically linked if you want to censor relays
2092 2011-05-02 19:26:44 <luke-jr> unless you put relay policy strictly on the net side i guess
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2094 2011-05-02 19:26:59 <BlueMatt> I think that would be best
2095 2011-05-02 19:27:21 <luke-jr> then the biggest gap is a protocol between wallet and GUI
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2097 2011-05-02 19:27:50 <BlueMatt> I dont think that is too hard to bridge look at spesmilo
2098 2011-05-02 19:28:04 <luke-jr> Spesmilo has less functionality, because JSON-RPC is impossible to use for the same stuff
2099 2011-05-02 19:28:18 <luke-jr> and has lots of hacks to work around its problems
2100 2011-05-02 19:28:38 <BlueMatt> well we can make it better
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2103 2011-05-02 19:31:38 <citiz3n> from a marketing perspective, how are suggestions/etc being sorted and considered, and have the developers been providing information such as "X Y Z are features we are seriously considering right now..." back to the community?
2104 2011-05-02 19:31:49 <citiz3n> I'm looking for this in the forum, but it's not always easy to find things in forums
2105 2011-05-02 19:31:59 <jgarzik> libbitcoin is a good idea
2106 2011-05-02 19:32:10 <jgarzik> separating wallet, net, etc.
2107 2011-05-02 19:32:21 <jgarzik> but making a bunch of separate processes for GUI users is untenable
2108 2011-05-02 19:32:42 <jgarzik> "start your wallet server, your P2P server, and your RPC server.  then you have a working installation"
2109 2011-05-02 19:33:09 <luke-jr> jgarzik: not if you just do it liek Spesmilo does
2110 2011-05-02 19:33:26 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: agreed.  To the end-user, it has to be double-click-and-run
2111 2011-05-02 19:33:31 <luke-jr> GUI is responsible for (depending on configuration) launching a wallet process it communicates with over stdio rather than TCP
2112 2011-05-02 19:33:52 <jgarzik> luke-jr: that sort of setup has a long history of having parts that break
2113 2011-05-02 19:34:02 <jgarzik> libbitcoin makes it easier to do the same thing
2114 2011-05-02 19:34:06 <luke-jr> jgarzik: that sort of setup is how UNIX works in general
2115 2011-05-02 19:34:15 <luke-jr> libbitcoin doesn't do the same thing
2116 2011-05-02 19:34:17 <gavinandresen> Although I'm frankly less concerned about the run-on-your-PC stuff, because I think most usage will be web sites / cell phones very soon
2117 2011-05-02 19:34:23 <luke-jr> libbitcoin would be impossible for power users to split it up really
2118 2011-05-02 19:35:00 <cdecker> I'm starting to feel like we had that same discussion in the Java world a few years back with OSGi
2119 2011-05-02 19:35:06 <luke-jr> while the average idiot might use the stdio mode, any power user is going to want to run the GUI on a separate machien from the wallet
2120 2011-05-02 19:35:46 <BlueMatt> well Im in favor of net not being a process
2121 2011-05-02 19:36:04 <BlueMatt> for standard users libbitcoin-net libbitcoin-wallet libbitcoin-etc and bitcoin-gui
2122 2011-05-02 19:36:27 <luke-jr> C linking ONLY works for "standard" users
2123 2011-05-02 19:36:28 <BlueMatt> or maybe libbitcoin-wallet bitcoin-net (autostarted by gui) and bitcoin-gui
2124 2011-05-02 19:37:36 <luke-jr> in the future, it will make best sense to have SOHO routers ship with a Node shared by the LAN IMO
2125 2011-05-02 19:37:55 <BlueMatt> This may be insane, but what about a libbitcoin-net which is set up to run in a thread and then either load it in bitcoin-gui or launch it in bitcoin-net for users who need that
2126 2011-05-02 19:38:17 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: we will never be that big, and even if, we shouldnt plan on it
2127 2011-05-02 19:38:20 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that would basically be the same thing IMO
2128 2011-05-02 19:38:35 <BlueMatt> true
2129 2011-05-02 19:38:43 <luke-jr> the difference between a thread and a process when both communicate over a socket, is trivial
2130 2011-05-02 19:38:52 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: gavinandresen what do you think about the idea in general of splitting it up now?
2131 2011-05-02 19:38:54 <luke-jr> I suppose a thread makes it nicer for task managers though
2132 2011-05-02 19:39:39 * luke-jr wonders if the C++-level API used by the wx client might be possible to turn into a network wrapper
2133 2011-05-02 19:40:44 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt:  Grand ReWorkings is almost always the wrong way to move forward.  Baby steps are almost always better
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2135 2011-05-02 19:41:10 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ok so split off gui now seems most reasonable to me
2136 2011-05-02 19:41:11 ja has joined
2137 2011-05-02 19:41:13 <gavinandresen> (e.g. lets change the directory structure so it fits GNU standards.  Fix some of the bugs that are piling up.  Then think about a libbitcoin....)
2138 2011-05-02 19:41:22 <xelister> luke-jr: hmm..?  to have other format then rpc?
2139 2011-05-02 19:41:36 <BlueMatt> that way all kinds of  odd changes can be made for users without being concerned about servers and such
2140 2011-05-02 19:42:28 <ja> is http://mtgox.com/ down again?
2141 2011-05-02 19:42:49 <EPiSKiNG> is it ok to Crossfire 2 5870 that are different brands?
2142 2011-05-02 19:42:53 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: yep -- baby steps, driven by production needs
2143 2011-05-02 19:43:06 <jgarzik> jaromil's stuff seems to be moving in the right direction
2144 2011-05-02 19:43:08 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: as a side note, can we get official binaries built with wx-trunk as it is needed for new distros to work properly?
2145 2011-05-02 19:43:11 <xelister> EPiSKiNG: hm? for mining you need to turn OFF any crossfire
2146 2011-05-02 19:43:19 <EPiSKiNG> right
2147 2011-05-02 19:43:27 <EPiSKiNG> that answers my question
2148 2011-05-02 19:43:40 <xelister> ja: down for me
2149 2011-05-02 19:43:42 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
2150 2011-05-02 19:43:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121463 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1512 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 142749.38161898
2151 2011-05-02 19:43:59 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt:  I'd like to get out of the business of building linux binaries.
2152 2011-05-02 19:44:10 <gjs278> EPiSKiNG: even if you did want to xfire, it is ok
2153 2011-05-02 19:44:20 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: well for now we need something for the ubuntu 11.04 users...I have some, but official ones would be nice
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2155 2011-05-02 19:45:13 <BlueMatt> trust and all, you know
2156 2011-05-02 19:45:33 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: I thought you and devrandom were going to figure all that out...
2157 2011-05-02 19:45:50 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: well if you want to start releasing bitcoin with gitian, great...for now...
2158 2011-05-02 19:46:29 <gavinandresen> don't let me stop you.  I've got my hands full with lots of stuff, worrying about ubuntu 11.04 users isn't high on my priority list
2159 2011-05-02 19:46:36 <BlueMatt> we are good to go for ubuntu users with kvm support on their procs, but end-user download and verification needs finished and non-linux, non-vtx supporting users
2160 2011-05-02 19:47:15 <gavinandresen> i have no idea what you just said, but okey doke....
2161 2011-05-02 19:48:15 <jgarzik> If most bitcoin users will be on websites, long term, just let Motivated Parties build binaries.  Don't bother with binaries at all, on bitcoin.org.
2162 2011-05-02 19:48:31 <jgarzik> mind you, that's a radical idea, and I am not necessarily endorsing my own idea...
2163 2011-05-02 19:48:41 <jgarzik> just straw for thought
2164 2011-05-02 19:48:44 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: thats a bit longer-term than I like to plan for
2165 2011-05-02 19:48:50 <luke-jr> so I hear Osama bin ladin was Satoshi?
2166 2011-05-02 19:48:57 <slush> botnet on deepbit?
2167 2011-05-02 19:49:08 <slush> jump from 290ghash to 400...
2168 2011-05-02 19:49:12 <BlueMatt> SATOSHI IS DEAD, damn usafags
2169 2011-05-02 19:49:43 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
2170 2011-05-02 19:49:45 <gribble> 23765485.7045
2171 2011-05-02 19:49:51 <luke-jr> big jump on Eligius too
2172 2011-05-02 19:49:57 <luke-jr> not that I'm complaining
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2174 2011-05-02 19:50:21 <luke-jr> tcatm: care to update the piechart to show Eligius? :p
2175 2011-05-02 19:50:44 <gjs278> Satoshi is paypal
2176 2011-05-02 19:50:52 <chmod755> gjs278: lol!!
2177 2011-05-02 19:50:53 <luke-jr> btw, Deepbit is looking scarily close to 50%
2178 2011-05-02 19:51:15 <gjs278> these people are stealing my coisn on deepbit
2179 2011-05-02 19:51:19 <gjs278> I'm getting less and less
2180 2011-05-02 19:51:40 <gjs278> averages be damned, I am getting less coins on deepbit in last 24 hours than I was a day ago
2181 2011-05-02 19:51:47 <idnar> slush: hey, I sent info@bitcoin.cz an email about 3 weeks ago about a CSRF attack on worker-delete; did you ever get my email / fix the problem?
2182 2011-05-02 19:51:52 <jgarzik> slush: botnet, or a major miner moved from solo mining to deepbit
2183 2011-05-02 19:51:53 <luke-jr> gjs278: switch to Eligius
2184 2011-05-02 19:52:05 <slush> idnar: I never received email like this
2185 2011-05-02 19:52:07 <luke-jr> jgarzik: that does sound more likely
2186 2011-05-02 19:52:08 <gjs278> I'm thinking about it
2187 2011-05-02 19:52:23 <jgarzik> slush: did the total network power jump by that amount also?  it looks like the 'other' part of graph shrunk.
2188 2011-05-02 19:52:30 <gjs278> on a 5970 and 5870, I'm pulling like 9 coins every 24 hours now
2189 2011-05-02 19:52:53 <slush> jgarzik: or total hashrate is higher, so original 'other' hashrate looks smaller
2190 2011-05-02 19:53:00 <BurtyB> gjs278 you are taking into account the higher difficulty?
2191 2011-05-02 19:53:03 <idnar> slush: hmm, maybe it got spamfiltered somewhere due to the URLs in the body
2192 2011-05-02 19:53:05 <gjs278> yes
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2195 2011-05-02 19:53:09 <gjs278> how long has difficulty been up
2196 2011-05-02 19:53:12 <slush> well, somebody asked me before few days if I'm okay with connecting large numbers of workers.
2197 2011-05-02 19:53:16 <luke-jr> legitimacy of DeepBit's new hashpower source is irrelevant compared to the risk of DeepBit getting control of over 50% of the network IMO
2198 2011-05-02 19:53:22 <slush> I rejected that, it sounded like botnet... maybe tycho didn't :)
2199 2011-05-02 19:53:33 <BlueMatt> slush: is sub 0.01 precision payout in the to-do list for the pool?
2200 2011-05-02 19:53:41 <slush> idnar: what is exactly the problem?
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2202 2011-05-02 19:54:05 <gjs278> the attack is most likely you can craft a form and delete peoples workers on them from 3rd party sites
2203 2011-05-02 19:54:10 <slush> BlueMatt: bitcoin client currently handle sub-0.01 amounts correctly, right?
2204 2011-05-02 19:54:18 <BlueMatt> slush: yes, as of 0.3.21
2205 2011-05-02 19:54:42 <slush> BlueMatt: Minimum payout will be still 0.01, but I can remove rounding to bitcents, yes
2206 2011-05-02 19:54:53 <idnar> slush: the "Delete" action for workers is just a GET request to .../profile/worker-delete/1234, not even a POST; so somebody can fill a page with links like <img href=".../profile/worker-delete/1234" times 10000, and then if you happen to visit that page, all your workers get deleted
2207 2011-05-02 19:54:53 <BlueMatt> that is what I was asking, yes, thanks
2208 2011-05-02 19:55:13 <slush> idnar: ok, somebody CAN fill or somebody really did the attack?
2209 2011-05-02 19:55:20 <idnar> slush: somebody spammed the pool thread on the forum with links like that, which is how I noticed
2210 2011-05-02 19:55:38 <idnar> (this was about three weeks ago, the offending links got removed at some point)
2211 2011-05-02 19:55:48 <cosurgi> luke-jr: wow, 24 GHs
2212 2011-05-02 19:55:55 <slush> idnar: oh, smart guy. I know forum admin removed some spam from the forum, but I never see the post itself
2213 2011-05-02 19:56:11 <jgarzik> slush: I don't see where total network hashrate increased by that amount.  Do you have data?
2214 2011-05-02 19:56:29 <idnar> if it's a POST instead of a GET, it's of course still possible to execute a CSRF attack by automatically submitting a form or whatever, but it's a lot harder to sneak it into unexpected places
2215 2011-05-02 19:56:41 <jgarzik> slush: it appears that some hash rate /shifted/
2216 2011-05-02 19:56:45 <luke-jr> jgarzik: is there any reason pushpool wouldn't handle different miners using the same username?
2217 2011-05-02 19:56:53 <cosurgi> ;;bc,lukepool
2218 2011-05-02 19:56:55 <brycek> idnar: needs to use csrf protection
2219 2011-05-02 19:56:59 <gribble> 24796277.8556
2220 2011-05-02 19:57:28 <idnar> brycek: well, my point is just that switching from GET to POST is a much simpler change than adding more comprehensive CSRF protection
2221 2011-05-02 19:57:33 <jgarzik> luke-jr: works just fine here...  if you are avoiding memcached (not recommended) you can hammer the db pretty hard, or cause timeouts
2222 2011-05-02 19:57:41 <jgarzik> luke-jr: anything in system log?
2223 2011-05-02 19:57:55 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I wasn't aware memcached *could* be avoided. your build system seems to require it
2224 2011-05-02 19:57:57 <phantomcircuit> idnar, POST vs GET is basically no defense at all
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2226 2011-05-02 19:58:15 <idnar> phantomcircuit: there are lots of places you can inject an <img> tag that you can't inject forms or javascript
2227 2011-05-02 19:58:19 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I don't know that there's a problem. I've just been asked it a lot
2228 2011-05-02 19:58:28 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I'm talking about whether or not memcached is running on your system
2229 2011-05-02 19:58:35 <jgarzik> luke-jr: runtime, not build time
2230 2011-05-02 19:58:39 <brycek> idnar: you really have to do both
2231 2011-05-02 19:58:40 <luke-jr> ?
2232 2011-05-02 19:58:56 <luke-jr> I also have no idea what memcached does
2233 2011-05-02 19:58:58 <slush> well, the hashrate was maybe just deepbit bug in meter - it is going down right now
2234 2011-05-02 19:59:00 <phantomcircuit> idnar, that's not at all how a csrf works :|
2235 2011-05-02 19:59:01 <echelon> so it was btcex that was doing the ddos'ing?
2236 2011-05-02 19:59:04 <jgarzik> luke-jr: it's a memory cache
2237 2011-05-02 19:59:14 <brycek> use POST because everyone expects GET to be idempotent, and use csrf protection
2238 2011-05-02 19:59:38 <idnar> phantomcircuit: I don't really care to argue the definition of CSRF, so if you want to call it something else, whatever
2239 2011-05-02 19:59:53 <gjs278> how has deepbit not found a block for like 4 hours now
2240 2011-05-02 19:59:57 <gjs278> with this hashrate
2241 2011-05-02 19:59:59 <phantomcircuit> idnar, csrf does not require xss
2242 2011-05-02 20:00:08 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, cheating?
2243 2011-05-02 20:00:17 <luke-jr> jgarzik: so multiple miners on the same username shouldn't be a problem, correct?
2244 2011-05-02 20:00:25 <gjs278> I hope not
2245 2011-05-02 20:00:33 <gjs278> that would be a little obvious
2246 2011-05-02 20:00:34 <jgarzik> luke-jr: correct
2247 2011-05-02 20:00:35 <brycek> gjs278: luck
2248 2011-05-02 20:00:52 <gjs278> this is not luck. this is horrifying
2249 2011-05-02 20:00:58 <BurtyB> gjs278 luck averaging out at -8% we're due some bad
2250 2011-05-02 20:01:02 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ...presuming your database is working and memcached is up and running properly
2251 2011-05-02 20:01:02 <luke-jr> jgarzik: any way I can help debug the memory leak without killing the pool's performance?
2252 2011-05-02 20:01:05 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, who runs deepbit?
2253 2011-05-02 20:01:09 <gjs278> tycho
2254 2011-05-02 20:01:10 <idnar> phantomcircuit: no, of course not, but it does require you to visit a page on which the attacker is able to execute the CSRF
2255 2011-05-02 20:01:12 <gjs278> he is an honorable man
2256 2011-05-02 20:01:16 <EPiSKiNG> i agree
2257 2011-05-02 20:01:22 <jgarzik> luke-jr: does valgrind kill performance?  valgrind gives useful output.
2258 2011-05-02 20:01:23 <gjs278> also he takes 3% so he's got enough...
2259 2011-05-02 20:01:30 <luke-jr> jgarzik: my script that updates hashrate.txt has timed out twice over the past 4 days
2260 2011-05-02 20:01:31 <phantomcircuit> idnar, which is probably just as easy as convincing them to click a crazy ass link
2261 2011-05-02 20:01:32 <brycek> valgrind demolishes performance
2262 2011-05-02 20:01:35 <luke-jr> valgrind emulates the process
2263 2011-05-02 20:01:37 <brycek> it's an x86 emulator
2264 2011-05-02 20:01:44 <gjs278> every little step of the way, someone wants a cut of my bitcoins
2265 2011-05-02 20:01:48 <gjs278> this is like dealing with the mafia
2266 2011-05-02 20:01:56 <EPiSKiNG> I can't decide if I should buy two 5970s or not.. I really like 5870s
2267 2011-05-02 20:02:00 <brycek> gjs278: you're more than welcome to run your own pool
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2269 2011-05-02 20:02:20 <gjs278> that won't help much
2270 2011-05-02 20:02:25 <luke-jr> or use mine
2271 2011-05-02 20:02:27 <gjs278> I'll still get raped on thesee xchange fees
2272 2011-05-02 20:02:31 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, or better yet solo mine
2273 2011-05-02 20:02:32 <gjs278> I'm probably going to
2274 2011-05-02 20:02:37 <gjs278> well
2275 2011-05-02 20:02:42 <gjs278> I wouldn't call it better yet
2276 2011-05-02 20:02:46 <phantomcircuit> if you're running long term there is little reason to pool
2277 2011-05-02 20:02:49 <gjs278> my deepbit stats show me as a leech
2278 2011-05-02 20:02:53 <idnar> phantomcircuit: eh, well, I wouldn't have followed a link from the forum thread, but I do browse with image loading enabled...
2279 2011-05-02 20:02:58 <gjs278> in all seriousness I made out pretty big
2280 2011-05-02 20:03:01 <gjs278> I've found 2 blocks
2281 2011-05-02 20:03:05 <gjs278> I'm at 182 coins paid out
2282 2011-05-02 20:03:07 <gjs278> sooo
2283 2011-05-02 20:03:11 <gjs278> I got lucky so far
2284 2011-05-02 20:03:25 <phantomcircuit> sure
2285 2011-05-02 20:03:25 <JFK911> how so?
2286 2011-05-02 20:03:30 <phantomcircuit> but eventually that will even out
2287 2011-05-02 20:03:34 <gjs278> yeah
2288 2011-05-02 20:03:42 <JFK911> you spent time mining and thats what you want to get equiatble from the pool, right?
2289 2011-05-02 20:03:51 <JFK911> sounds perfectly fair to me
2290 2011-05-02 20:03:52 <BurtyB> gjs278 similar here - 4 found, paid 230.. someones been lucky heh
2291 2011-05-02 20:03:54 <idnar> phantomcircuit: I'm not trying to argue against proper CSRF protection, I'm just saying that switching from GET to POST (which is the right thing to do anyway, since it's not a "safe" operation) would have thwarted this particular attack by itself
2292 2011-05-02 20:03:54 <gjs278> so now that I've got all my bad hashes out, it's time to go solo ;)
2293 2011-05-02 20:04:15 <idnar> it actually is an idempotent operation
2294 2011-05-02 20:04:42 <luke-jr> gjs278: aww :/
2295 2011-05-02 20:04:47 <gjs278> nah
2296 2011-05-02 20:04:54 <gjs278> I'm not going solo
2297 2011-05-02 20:05:08 <gjs278> I'm not mad max, I have to stick with the group
2298 2011-05-02 20:05:17 * BurtyB tried solo for a week and got sfa as i deserved ;)
2299 2011-05-02 20:11:53 <sipa> jgarzik: you're referring to the descriptor of a particular commit?
2300 2011-05-02 20:12:29 <jgarzik> sipa: be2fa90b94cfa9aeadcf6cd1a4d05bb8c2349f2f
2301 2011-05-02 20:13:47 <sipa> so you want not only the first line to be wrapped?
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2307 2011-05-02 20:21:57 <bencoder> gavinandresen: clearcoin works good, thanks :)
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2309 2011-05-02 20:22:11 <gavinandresen> bencoder:  great, glad to hear it
2310 2011-05-02 20:22:47 <netxshare> ;;bc,stats
2311 2011-05-02 20:22:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121473 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1502 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 23 hours, 30 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 143680.60476031
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2313 2011-05-02 20:23:05 <gjs278> luke-jr: I'm in
2314 2011-05-02 20:23:27 <jlewis> jgarzik: it's a little bit more granular than that, but not much - it reads the status line async, reads until the \r\n\r\n async, and then reads the request-size bytes of the message async
2315 2011-05-02 20:23:41 <gjs278> I'm doing about 1ghash, see how this turns out
2316 2011-05-02 20:23:52 <jlewis> and luke-jr, multithreading is really easy to add on top of the async io
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2320 2011-05-02 20:24:53 <phantomcircuit> jlewis, asio is actually much slower than thread per connection
2321 2011-05-02 20:24:54 <lyspooner> gavinadresen, ditto bencoder on clearcoin
2322 2011-05-02 20:25:01 <phantomcircuit> i dont understand why people still insist on using it
2323 2011-05-02 20:25:22 <jlewis> phantomcircuit: no it's not - are you talking about 1 thread per connection?
2324 2011-05-02 20:25:24 <phantomcircuit> also take a look at silver
2325 2011-05-02 20:25:28 <phantomcircuit> someones having fun
2326 2011-05-02 20:25:35 <luke-jr> jlewis: thought so
2327 2011-05-02 20:25:46 <phantomcircuit> jlewis, nptl changed the math on it
2328 2011-05-02 20:25:55 <phantomcircuit> jlewis, asio is actually slower now
2329 2011-05-02 20:26:01 <jlewis> slower than what?
2330 2011-05-02 20:26:08 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: without ASIO to authenticate, wouldn't per-thread still be subject to DoS?
2331 2011-05-02 20:26:10 <phantomcircuit> 1 thread per connection
2332 2011-05-02 20:26:11 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
2333 2011-05-02 20:26:15 <gribble> 23808435.3775
2334 2011-05-02 20:26:25 <jlewis> it's almost certainly not, phantomcircuit, at least not when the number of connections scale up...
2335 2011-05-02 20:26:29 <jlewis> i'd like to see a reference on that
2336 2011-05-02 20:26:59 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, you can instantiate millions of threads in no time at all with nptl
2337 2011-05-02 20:27:03 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: DoS?
2338 2011-05-02 20:27:17 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: guess someone just needs to fix SSL in my branch then ;)
2339 2011-05-02 20:27:23 <phantomcircuit> DoS isn't any worse with threads than with asio
2340 2011-05-02 20:27:26 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: maybe timeouts too-- I disabled that entirely XD
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2342 2011-05-02 20:27:43 <phantomcircuit> indeed it can be better
2343 2011-05-02 20:28:00 <luke-jr> actually, long before thread count becomes a problem, fd count would
2344 2011-05-02 20:28:02 <phantomcircuit> creating new threads is actually very cheap on linux now
2345 2011-05-02 20:28:07 <luke-jr> select() breaks if your process has more than 1024 fds
2346 2011-05-02 20:28:08 <jlewis> and gavinandresen is right in that asio doesn't create true concurrency as all of the actual rpc operations are still locked - it'll help a lot though, as it'll remove the issue of having a queue of waiting connections
2347 2011-05-02 20:28:09 <luke-jr> on Linux
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2349 2011-05-02 20:28:30 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, nobody should be using select anyways
2350 2011-05-02 20:28:32 <sipa> gavinandresen: did you get an answer from satoshi about the getbalance discrepancy?
2351 2011-05-02 20:28:34 <phantomcircuit> select is slow as fuck
2352 2011-05-02 20:28:54 <gavinandresen> sipa: nope.  I guess he's busy doing... something else....
2353 2011-05-02 20:28:58 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
2354 2011-05-02 20:29:00 <gribble> 23808435.3775
2355 2011-05-02 20:29:03 <sipa> so he's really disappearing
2356 2011-05-02 20:29:04 <jlewis> luke-jr: i'll give you a ping when i'm done adding ssl support, if you wanted to do a stress test comparison
2357 2011-05-02 20:29:06 <luke-jr> sipa: Satoshi was just killed
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2359 2011-05-02 20:29:19 <luke-jr> jlewis: I don't stress mine ;)
2360 2011-05-02 20:29:24 <gjs278> Satoshi is busy finding exploits in pools to steal his coins back
2361 2011-05-02 20:29:45 <jlewis> ok, well, i'll give gavinandresen or jgarzik a ping then :)
2362 2011-05-02 20:29:54 <midnightmagic> select is not slow as fuck for these purposes.
2363 2011-05-02 20:30:10 <jlewis> phantomcircuit: what's nptl?
2364 2011-05-02 20:30:19 <luke-jr> jlewis: Native Posix Threading Library
2365 2011-05-02 20:30:21 <phantomcircuit> jlewis, native posix threading library
2366 2011-05-02 20:30:27 <sipa> gavinandresen: in the detect-wallet-conflicts patch i'm writing, a (memory only) map is kept linking outpoints to the wallettx's that spend them - i think that may be used to check whether a spent coin should be ignored by getbalance '*' as well
2367 2011-05-02 20:30:33 <luke-jr> jlewis: replaced linuxthreads some years ago
2368 2011-05-02 20:30:35 <jlewis> oh, yeah
2369 2011-05-02 20:31:14 <jlewis> i never had the dubious opportunity to work with linuxthreads
2370 2011-05-02 20:31:26 <gavinandresen> sipa:  nice.  that code needs to be optimized for "big server with lots of accounts" case.
2371 2011-05-02 20:31:53 <phantomcircuit> jlewis, they were terrible, upto a full second to start a thread
2372 2011-05-02 20:31:59 <phantomcircuit> which is just fucking mind boggling
2373 2011-05-02 20:32:10 <midnightmagic> a full second? not
2374 2011-05-02 20:32:23 <midnightmagic> what were you running it on, an Amiga?
2375 2011-05-02 20:32:27 <sipa> gavinandresen: it should be working by the way, if you want to take a look, there are only some parts missing
2376 2011-05-02 20:32:31 <phantomcircuit> P4 in mid swap
2377 2011-05-02 20:32:45 <gjs278> should have bought a dell
2378 2011-05-02 20:32:51 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, lol it is
2379 2011-05-02 20:32:52 <sipa> https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/tree/rejectedtx
2380 2011-05-02 20:33:30 <gjs278> added a subset of Crypto++ 5.6.0 with 48% faster A... [--author=Satoshi Nakamoto]
2381 2011-05-02 20:33:45 <midnightmagic> wei dai is my hero
2382 2011-05-02 20:33:49 <gjs278> if I was Satoshi I would have seppuku'd after fucking that up
2383 2011-05-02 20:33:52 <midnightmagic> perhaps he's satoshi
2384 2011-05-02 20:35:24 <sipa> gavinandresen: as for the big server with lots of accounts case - i figure as long as the whole wallet is loaded in memory anyway, an additional map with memory footprint 72 bytes * n_wallet_inputs won't harm much more
2385 2011-05-02 20:36:00 <sipa> n_wallet_inputs = sum(w.n_inputs, w in wallet_transactions)
2386 2011-05-02 20:36:49 <gavinandresen> sipa:  I meant all the wallet-interface code needs optimizing for the big-server, lots of accounts case.  e.g. listtransactions is O(n) where n is number of transactions in wallet.
2387 2011-05-02 20:37:14 <sipa> there is no way to make it better than O(n)?
2388 2011-05-02 20:37:22 <gavinandresen> (it should take time proportional to the number of transactions you're fetching--- should index by time)
2389 2011-05-02 20:37:32 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: isn't it actually O(2n)?
2390 2011-05-02 20:37:43 <sipa> luke-jr: learn big-O notation :)
2391 2011-05-02 20:37:46 <gavinandresen> O(n) == O(2n) if you'r ea cs major
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2393 2011-05-02 20:38:02 <luke-jr> :P
2394 2011-05-02 20:38:25 <xvilka> hi! where i should post bugs in official client?
2395 2011-05-02 20:38:43 <luke-jr> actually not entirely 2n, I think it filters BEFORE the second iteration?
2396 2011-05-02 20:38:48 <gjs278> right here
2397 2011-05-02 20:38:50 <gjs278> in this channel
2398 2011-05-02 20:39:15 <sipa> luke-jr: you could say it is O(n+m), with n the total number of transactions and m the number of requested transactions
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2400 2011-05-02 20:39:23 <gavinandresen> xvilka: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues
2401 2011-05-02 20:39:29 <gjs278> O(n+m) where O is equal to 0
2402 2011-05-02 20:39:38 <sipa> but since m is limited by n, that is still O(n)
2403 2011-05-02 20:40:03 <xvilka> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381464 + http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381465
2404 2011-05-02 20:40:08 <gavinandresen> By the way... the Faucet is running in "community policing" mode now:   https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/recent_sends
2405 2011-05-02 20:40:09 <xvilka> on hardened gentoo
2406 2011-05-02 20:40:51 <gjs278> xvilka file that with
2407 2011-05-02 20:40:53 <gjs278> the gentoo maintainer
2408 2011-05-02 20:40:57 <phantomcircuit> jlewis, 10 million threads created from 1 thread in 26.357 seconds
2409 2011-05-02 20:41:06 <xvilka> this is not gentoo bug
2410 2011-05-02 20:41:26 <luke-jr> xvilka: yeah, that's our fault
2411 2011-05-02 20:41:27 <xvilka> this is mainstream bug, about PIC code
2412 2011-05-02 20:41:34 <BurtyB> gavinandresen hmm all those emails to harvest :p
2413 2011-05-02 20:41:48 <gjs278> I can assure you this is not a bug anyone in the main bitcoin project will look at
2414 2011-05-02 20:41:51 <gavinandresen> BurtyB: they're randomly obfuscated
2415 2011-05-02 20:42:07 <phantomcircuit> jlewis, i think 2 microseconds is pretty good
2416 2011-05-02 20:43:01 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, they dont look obfuscated to me :|
2417 2011-05-02 20:43:13 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
2418 2011-05-02 20:43:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121476 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1499 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 42 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 144035.21766777
2419 2011-05-02 20:43:16 <luke-jr> since when are TEXTREL a problem in non-libraries? :/
2420 2011-05-02 20:43:41 <luke-jr> xvilka: IMO, that warning is wrong
2421 2011-05-02 20:43:45 <gjs278> Next Difficulty Estimate: 144035.21766777
2422 2011-05-02 20:43:47 <gjs278> wat
2423 2011-05-02 20:44:04 <BurtyB> phantomcircuit indeed, i can see it putting people off
2424 2011-05-02 20:44:53 <gavinandresen> The 'getsome' page shows people their obfuscated address and IP address, and lets them know it'll be shown.
2425 2011-05-02 20:45:07 <gavinandresen> If it puts some people off... OK.
2426 2011-05-02 20:45:31 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: xvilka's second paste is the ASM mining code I think
2427 2011-05-02 20:45:47 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: good, that should be easy to fix, then.
2428 2011-05-02 20:45:58 <gavinandresen> (rip out the asm mining....)
2429 2011-05-02 20:46:37 <sipa> split off mining into a separate executable reference miner
2430 2011-05-02 20:46:52 <sipa> (i know,  lot's of discussion about it, people don't agree, ...)
2431 2011-05-02 20:46:56 <gavinandresen> talk to y'all later, I've gotta go...
2432 2011-05-02 20:47:00 <midnightmagic> bye gavin
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2434 2011-05-02 20:47:03 <midnightmagic> \o
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2436 2011-05-02 20:48:38 <xvilka> do i need still fill the bug or not?
2437 2011-05-02 20:48:54 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
2438 2011-05-02 20:48:58 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.495,"low":3.029,"vol":23510,"buy":3.211,"sell":3.2111,"last":3.2111}}
2439 2011-05-02 20:49:06 <gjs278> umm ok
2440 2011-05-02 20:49:12 <gjs278> 3.2111 for all 3?
2441 2011-05-02 20:49:24 <BlueMatt> xvilka: probably
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2443 2011-05-02 20:49:52 <kostagr33k> hey guys i keep getting "irc who" on my mac os x client .. not sure if its because our outgoing traffic is load balanced or not but its causing the log to fill with "irc who"
2444 2011-05-02 20:50:09 <BlueMatt> xvilka: though I do agree, that its likely no one will look at it (though it should go away if mining is pulled out)
2445 2011-05-02 20:50:19 <BlueMatt> was mining removal ever put to a vote?
2446 2011-05-02 20:50:25 <gjs278> do it right now
2447 2011-05-02 20:50:43 <gjs278> all in favor of removing cpu mining support from the main client say aye
2448 2011-05-02 20:50:45 <gjs278> aye
2449 2011-05-02 20:50:49 <forrestv> aye
2450 2011-05-02 20:50:51 <sipa> aye
2451 2011-05-02 20:50:54 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
2452 2011-05-02 20:50:57 <BlueMatt> aye, not a fair vote, many people not here
2453 2011-05-02 20:50:57 <JFK911> aye
2454 2011-05-02 20:51:04 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.495,"low":3.029,"vol":23626,"buy":3.2,"sell":3.2999,"last":3.2}}
2455 2011-05-02 20:51:06 <gjs278> find me a nah
2456 2011-05-02 20:51:19 <gjs278> and then we'll have a quorum
2457 2011-05-02 20:51:27 <phantomcircuit> indeed you can create 10 million threads in only about 1 microsecond with nptl
2458 2011-05-02 20:51:28 <sipa> it's the least binding kind of vote possible here :)
2459 2011-05-02 20:51:30 <gjs278> but in all seriousness nearly every developer is here
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2461 2011-05-02 20:51:39 <gjs278> thedrs
2462 2011-05-02 20:51:47 <gjs278> should we remove mining support from the main client
2463 2011-05-02 20:51:49 <BlueMatt> no gavin, jgarzik ?
2464 2011-05-02 20:52:02 <gjs278> jgarzik is here
2465 2011-05-02 20:52:04 <thedrs> hi all
2466 2011-05-02 20:52:08 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ?
2467 2011-05-02 20:52:12 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: vote?
2468 2011-05-02 20:52:16 <gjs278> gavin just left
2469 2011-05-02 20:52:26 <gjs278> but
2470 2011-05-02 20:52:29 <gjs278> look at this comment
2471 2011-05-02 20:52:31 <gjs278> [15:41] <gavinandresen> luke-jr: good, that should be easy to fix, then.
2472 2011-05-02 20:52:32 <gjs278> [15:41] <gavinandresen> (rip out the asm mining....)
2473 2011-05-02 20:52:35 <gjs278> I can say he'd be with the aye
2474 2011-05-02 20:52:42 <gjs278> he wouldn't suggest ripping out the code if he wanted it there
2475 2011-05-02 20:52:50 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I think we should rip out asm and 4way
2476 2011-05-02 20:52:54 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: and hide in gui
2477 2011-05-02 20:53:00 <BlueMatt> ok, Im gonna start a forum poll, or is there one?
2478 2011-05-02 20:53:04 <BlueMatt> I cant seem to find it
2479 2011-05-02 20:53:09 <sipa> there have been, i believe
2480 2011-05-02 20:53:23 <BlueMatt> I thought so too, but I cant seem to find it
2481 2011-05-02 20:53:24 <sipa> and i much prefer a discussion than an anonymous vote
2482 2011-05-02 20:53:26 <gjs278> let's do our part and save the environemtn
2483 2011-05-02 20:53:36 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: kinda like what my pull requests and commits already reflect :)
2484 2011-05-02 20:53:40 * jgarzik bvoted w/ code
2485 2011-05-02 20:53:42 <gjs278> yeah
2486 2011-05-02 20:53:43 <jgarzik> voted
2487 2011-05-02 20:54:21 <gjs278> it's just got to go at this point. people get confused seeing that option there thinking it actually does soemthing
2488 2011-05-02 20:54:23 <sipa> where is the forum thread about that pull request?
2489 2011-05-02 20:54:32 <BlueMatt> oh found it http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4828.20
2490 2011-05-02 20:54:46 <gjs278> dahhhhhh
2491 2011-05-02 20:54:49 <gjs278> these forum people
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2493 2011-05-02 20:55:25 <BlueMatt> we need a developer voting method
2494 2011-05-02 20:55:32 <BlueMatt> where devs vote with some kind of barrier to entry
2495 2011-05-02 20:55:48 <gjs278> the barrier to entry is this multiplayer notepad we are typing on
2496 2011-05-02 20:55:49 <BlueMatt> because lets be honest, there are many people more qualified than some of the forum-voters to vote
2497 2011-05-02 20:55:51 <jgarzik> I would /prefer/ leaving in ref miner, accessible only by CLI.  hide in GUI.  but I would be ok with total removal.
2498 2011-05-02 20:56:09 <sipa> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5353.0
2499 2011-05-02 20:56:10 <gjs278> of the people that mine, do they use asm mining
2500 2011-05-02 20:56:26 <BlueMatt> sipa: re: discussion, I prefer a vote as it has already been discussed at length ;)
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2502 2011-05-02 20:56:41 <BlueMatt> can we get an irc vote bot?
2503 2011-05-02 20:56:47 <patapper> !yes
2504 2011-05-02 20:56:50 <gjs278> I can count the nahs on one hand
2505 2011-05-02 20:56:55 <jgarzik> sipa: there ya go.  my search-fu was weak.
2506 2011-05-02 20:56:57 <BlueMatt> ;;yah
2507 2011-05-02 20:56:58 <gribble> Error: "yah" is not a valid command.
2508 2011-05-02 20:57:01 <BlueMatt> ;;yes
2509 2011-05-02 20:57:01 <gribble> Error: "yes" is not a valid command.
2510 2011-05-02 20:57:06 <gjs278> ;;vote
2511 2011-05-02 20:57:07 <gribble> Error: "vote" is not a valid command.
2512 2011-05-02 20:57:12 <jgarzik> ;;rule
2513 2011-05-02 20:57:12 <gribble> Error: "rule" is not a valid command.
2514 2011-05-02 20:57:22 <patapper> ;;import vote from __future__
2515 2011-05-02 20:57:23 <gribble> Error: "import" is not a valid command.
2516 2011-05-02 20:57:29 <gjs278> ;;seen "a reason to keep cpu mining in the main client. Remove it"
2517 2011-05-02 20:57:30 <gribble> I have not seen a reason to keep cpu mining in the main client. Remove it.
2518 2011-05-02 20:57:33 <gjs278> the fucking boit
2519 2011-05-02 20:57:36 <gjs278> says we should remove it
2520 2011-05-02 20:57:37 <gjs278> do it
2521 2011-05-02 20:57:41 <sipa> and the other one: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5351.0
2522 2011-05-02 20:58:54 <gjs278> look there is basically only one guy who wants cpu support in the client
2523 2011-05-02 20:58:55 <gjs278> creighto
2524 2011-05-02 20:58:57 <gjs278> get me creighto
2525 2011-05-02 20:59:05 <jgarzik> sipa: seems like the main choice is between my pull reqs and tcatm's, which removes everything
2526 2011-05-02 20:59:07 <gjs278> and then we can at least say creighto was involved
2527 2011-05-02 20:59:23 <sipa> jgarzik: let's go step by step
2528 2011-05-02 20:59:43 <sipa> there is at least some opposition to removing it entirely
2529 2011-05-02 20:59:46 <gjs278> step 1. fetch creighto and have a discussion
2530 2011-05-02 20:59:51 <gjs278> in this channel
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2532 2011-05-02 21:00:07 <JackRabiit> BlueMatt: Hey!
2533 2011-05-02 21:00:11 <gjs278> JackRabiit do you support removing cpu mining from the main client
2534 2011-05-02 21:00:19 <gjs278> the entire vote depends on you
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2536 2011-05-02 21:00:27 <BurtyB> life or death
2537 2011-05-02 21:00:34 <JackRabiit> I do not support removing cpu mining capabilities from the client
2538 2011-05-02 21:00:41 <BlueMatt> oh come on
2539 2011-05-02 21:00:44 <gjs278> you just received death
2540 2011-05-02 21:00:48 <BurtyB> lol
2541 2011-05-02 21:00:51 <forrestv> why?
2542 2011-05-02 21:00:56 <disq> death or cake
2543 2011-05-02 21:01:01 <sipa> JackRabiit: i like to hear your opinion
2544 2011-05-02 21:01:02 <JackRabiit> So that the noob can fail for longer
2545 2011-05-02 21:01:02 <BlueMatt> Ill take the cake
2546 2011-05-02 21:01:04 <BurtyB> I vote beer :)
2547 2011-05-02 21:01:07 <JackRabiit> LOL
2548 2011-05-02 21:01:09 <sipa> lol
2549 2011-05-02 21:01:09 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
2550 2011-05-02 21:01:12 <gribble> 26428365.4281
2551 2011-05-02 21:01:15 <sipa> luke-jr: nice!
2552 2011-05-02 21:01:17 <gjs278> you expect a guy with a 6000 coin wallet to generate with his cpu? COME ON
2553 2011-05-02 21:01:26 <gjs278> luke-jr I gave you a gigahash
2554 2011-05-02 21:01:30 <luke-jr> gjs278: ty
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2556 2011-05-02 21:01:39 <sipa> luke-jr: but still no block for 11h!
2557 2011-05-02 21:01:49 <sipa> ;;bc,prob [bc,eligius] 11h
2558 2011-05-02 21:01:50 <gribble> 0.891593030348
2559 2011-05-02 21:02:03 <luke-jr> sipa: I thought there was one at 9 Am
2560 2011-05-02 21:02:20 <sipa> at 9:46 there was one, it's 22:57 now
2561 2011-05-02 21:02:28 <sipa> oh, 12h11m!
2562 2011-05-02 21:02:32 <sipa> ;;bc,prob [bc,eligius] 12h 11m
2563 2011-05-02 21:02:41 <gribble> 0.914640325108
2564 2011-05-02 21:03:02 <jgarzik> chuckle
2565 2011-05-02 21:03:04  has joined
2566 2011-05-02 21:03:11 <jgarzik> and right on time, we get an asm-related bug report: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/191
2567 2011-05-02 21:03:22 <gjs278> that was the guy in the channel
2568 2011-05-02 21:03:28 <jgarzik> step #1: rip out asm and 4way.  step #2: hide option in GUI.
2569 2011-05-02 21:03:29 <jgarzik> IMO
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2571 2011-05-02 21:03:48 <jgarzik> well, arguably, hiding option in GUI is most important
2572 2011-05-02 21:03:54 <jgarzik> so 1 <-> 2
2573 2011-05-02 21:04:12 <B0g4r7> 3.  Fix the bug, and build a unit test to check for the bug so it won't come back.
2574 2011-05-02 21:04:17 <jgarzik> but ripping out code is generally easier
2575 2011-05-02 21:04:22 <B0g4r7> unnoticed
2576 2011-05-02 21:04:23 <sipa> di di just lose my ability to count?
2577 2011-05-02 21:04:25 <sipa> it's 13h11m
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2579 2011-05-02 21:06:17 * BlueMatt is leaving and hopes asm/4way/guiminer will no longer be in the client when he gets back
2580 2011-05-02 21:06:20 <xvilka> and then i can test
2581 2011-05-02 21:07:48 <JackRabiit> can someone do some weird console command and check if my PGP/GPG key working?
2582 2011-05-02 21:08:30 <B0g4r7> Sure, DCC me the key.
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2584 2011-05-02 21:08:45 <JackRabiit> uhhhhh, What?
2585 2011-05-02 21:08:51 <B0g4r7> lul
2586 2011-05-02 21:09:16 <JackRabiit> 36f33f3a6f968f9fd9942e661682211d1c4b64331813e61878bc393f953ea168 ?
2587 2011-05-02 21:09:21 <JackRabiit> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6kex4F2T
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2589 2011-05-02 21:09:34 <B0g4r7> I'm sorry, I was being facetious.
2590 2011-05-02 21:09:37 <B0g4r7> Forgive me.
2591 2011-05-02 21:09:52 <JackRabiit> k..
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2593 2011-05-02 21:10:25 <BurtyB> estimating the time to generate and showing it in the client might also make people realise it's pointless
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2595 2011-05-02 21:10:59 <sipa> forrestv, gjs278, JFK911, gjs278, and uh... gribble: could you mention your support on the forum (i just bumped both threads)? that way it will be much more visible
2596 2011-05-02 21:11:04 <BurtyB> (showing it with the hashrate)
2597 2011-05-02 21:11:16 <gjs278> grrible is most important for this
2598 2011-05-02 21:11:20 <gjs278> he's the one who convinced me
2599 2011-05-02 21:11:26 <gjs278> if he posts, I'll post
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2602 2011-05-02 21:15:51 <luke-jr> xvilka: the first one seems to be a bug in (Gentoo's) GCC 4.5
2603 2011-05-02 21:15:57 <luke-jr> xvilka: I have no such issue with 4.4
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2610 2011-05-02 21:17:04 <UpperCASEcc> Hey guys :)
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2613 2011-05-02 21:17:32 <UpperCASEcc> Ok so im pretty new to bitcoin and the concept of mining so I set out today to do some reading and get some info on how to get started
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2615 2011-05-02 21:18:13 <sipa> UpperCASEcc: first ask yourself whether it's worth it
2616 2011-05-02 21:18:19 <xvilka> luke-jr: this is not a bug in gcc - this is gcc with PIE and SSP
2617 2011-05-02 21:18:30 <Diablo-D3> PIE!!!!!!!!
2618 2011-05-02 21:18:34 <sipa> UpperCASEcc: hardware may not repay itself, though currently the gains a very high
2619 2011-05-02 21:18:34 <luke-jr> xvilka: it's a bug in GCC.
2620 2011-05-02 21:18:45 <luke-jr> xvilka: whether it's a bug in the SSP patch or not, I don't care.
2621 2011-05-02 21:19:04 <UpperCASEcc> I understand how miners and everything works but dont underatna dhow this works without an account, if I open the application and start mining on multiple machines how do I add thoes coins to who I am
2622 2011-05-02 21:19:19 <sipa> UpperCASEcc: don't do that
2623 2011-05-02 21:19:22 <UpperCASEcc> Also, I own a computer store so I have buckets of new hardware I can leave running
2624 2011-05-02 21:19:31 <sipa> mining in the default client is very inefficient
2625 2011-05-02 21:19:33 <luke-jr> UpperCASEcc: you don't pay your electric bill?
2626 2011-05-02 21:19:37 <gjs278> how much graphics cards do you have
2627 2011-05-02 21:19:43 <luke-jr> ^
2628 2011-05-02 21:19:54 <sipa> and it cannot use your GPU, which is currently a requirement for mining at any reasonable speed - CPU mining is just too slow
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2631 2011-05-02 21:20:26 <sipa> UpperCASEcc: if you have a computer store, do you have ati 5870/5970/6970/6990 ?
2632 2011-05-02 21:20:33 <UpperCASEcc> I have tons of new GPUs laying around ANTI 5970's and such
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2634 2011-05-02 21:20:50 <UpperCASEcc> I also have a few 6970s I could use
2635 2011-05-02 21:20:51 <luke-jr> UpperCASEcc: please just buy bitcoins and leave us miners alone ;.;
2636 2011-05-02 21:21:24 <UpperCASEcc> Just looking for some more explination of how it works, the wiki and guides are very general
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2640 2011-05-02 21:21:33 <luke-jr> UpperCASEcc: actually, more important than buying bitcoins, is accepting them as payment
2641 2011-05-02 21:22:14 <gjs278> UpperCASEcc are you looking to sell those 5970s
2642 2011-05-02 21:22:16 <gjs278> because
2643 2011-05-02 21:22:20 <gjs278> the people here will buy them from you
2644 2011-05-02 21:22:39 <luke-jr> indeed
2645 2011-05-02 21:22:43 <luke-jr> I might even buy one
2646 2011-05-02 21:22:51 <xvilka> ok. i'll fix that
2647 2011-05-02 21:22:59 <UpperCASEcc> I have the abbility to setup dozens of these miners to gain coins, Im just wondering how the application distributes the gained coins to you
2648 2011-05-02 21:23:12 <gjs278> basically you ignore the main application
2649 2011-05-02 21:23:19 <gjs278> you only need your address
2650 2011-05-02 21:23:23 <sipa> UpperCASEcc: either you use a pool, and in your pool account you tell which address to send payments to
2651 2011-05-02 21:23:31 <gjs278> you join pools, you put your address in there, you get paid back to one account
2652 2011-05-02 21:23:36 <luke-jr> UpperCASEcc: I'd rather you NOT add that many new miners, honestly, but if you do, please add them to my pool
2653 2011-05-02 21:23:50 <UpperCASEcc> lol
2654 2011-05-02 21:24:03 <sipa> UpperCASEcc: if you mine by yourself, you let the bitcoin application run (it manages your wallet), and let the miners connect to that application
2655 2011-05-02 21:24:24 <sipa> and it will make sure the awards go to an address it manager itself
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2657 2011-05-02 21:24:28 <sipa> *manages
2658 2011-05-02 21:24:44 <UpperCASEcc> But how do I spend the coins?
2659 2011-05-02 21:25:05 <gjs278> you send them to other addresses
2660 2011-05-02 21:25:06 <UpperCASEcc> Im just confused becasue there is no account here just an address
2661 2011-05-02 21:25:14 <sipa> the address is your account
2662 2011-05-02 21:25:18 <gjs278> pretend the address is your paypal email
2663 2011-05-02 21:25:28 <sipa> coins sent to that address, end up in your wallet
2664 2011-05-02 21:25:35 <UpperCASEcc> what if I loose the addresss?
2665 2011-05-02 21:25:40 <sipa> you lose the coins
2666 2011-05-02 21:25:43 <gjs278> you're screwed, dont do that
2667 2011-05-02 21:25:45 <UpperCASEcc> interesting
2668 2011-05-02 21:26:01 <UpperCASEcc> so what sites accept this payment method, I cant find a list anywhere
2669 2011-05-02 21:26:03 <sipa> and you can decide to send them to other people's wallets, by sending to their addresses
2670 2011-05-02 21:26:28 <gjs278> the list isnt that big
2671 2011-05-02 21:26:29 <chmod755> UpperCASEcc: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade
2672 2011-05-02 21:26:40 <UpperCASEcc> Also whats the current exchange rate via khash/USD
2673 2011-05-02 21:26:55 <luke-jr> …
2674 2011-05-02 21:26:55 <UpperCASEcc> or coin/USD
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2680 2011-05-02 21:26:57 <gjs278> well
2681 2011-05-02 21:27:02 <gjs278> coin to usd is 3.25
2682 2011-05-02 21:27:02 <disq> plus you can create as many addresses as you like, that way it's more anonymous
2683 2011-05-02 21:27:04 <gjs278> around that
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2685 2011-05-02 21:27:28 <sipa> UpperCASEcc: an ati 5970 can do up to 750 Mhash/s when OC'ed
2686 2011-05-02 21:27:30 <sipa> at that rate:
2687 2011-05-02 21:27:31 <luke-jr> UpperCASEcc: where is your store? how many BTC for a 5970?
2688 2011-05-02 21:27:35 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 750000
2689 2011-05-02 21:27:36 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 750000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 6.87854808592 BTC per day and 0.286606170247 BTC per hour.
2690 2011-05-02 21:27:39 <disq> bitcoin transactions are not encrypted, everyone can view addresses involved in a transaction etc. but you don't know who they are actually
2691 2011-05-02 21:27:39 <luke-jr> sipa: he had better not overclock it
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2693 2011-05-02 21:27:54 <gjs278> it's so hard keeping temps down on my damn 5970
2694 2011-05-02 21:27:54 <luke-jr> sipa: that'd be fraud basically
2695 2011-05-02 21:27:59 <sipa> ?
2696 2011-05-02 21:28:02 <TheKid> Hmmm, anyone working to remove the send message and such from the gui?
2697 2011-05-02 21:28:05 <gjs278> reselling the card
2698 2011-05-02 21:28:08 <MBS> ;;bc,gen 7500000
2699 2011-05-02 21:28:09 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 7500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 68.7854808592 BTC per day and 2.86606170247 BTC per hour.
2700 2011-05-02 21:28:09 <luke-jr> sipa: to sell overclocked (damaged) hardware
2701 2011-05-02 21:28:11 <MBS> 10 of them
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2703 2011-05-02 21:28:18 <sipa> luke-jr: he shouldn't sell it used anyway
2704 2011-05-02 21:28:18 <MBS> so around $170/day
2705 2011-05-02 21:28:24 <sipa> at least not without telling it is used
2706 2011-05-02 21:28:29 <luke-jr> sipa: true
2707 2011-05-02 21:28:38 <luke-jr> sipa: but not saying anything != "new"
2708 2011-05-02 21:28:45 <sipa> but indeed, let's stick to non-OC'ed
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2710 2011-05-02 21:28:48 <B0g4r7> 750 huh.
2711 2011-05-02 21:28:51 <gjs278> I'm getting 700 a day
2712 2011-05-02 21:28:53 <gjs278> er
2713 2011-05-02 21:28:54 <B0g4r7> I get about 600 on the factory clock.
2714 2011-05-02 21:28:55 <gjs278> 700 a second
2715 2011-05-02 21:28:58 <gjs278> at 825
2716 2011-05-02 21:29:03 <gjs278> on poclbm
2717 2011-05-02 21:29:12 <B0g4r7> same
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2719 2011-05-02 21:29:18 <gjs278> 850 crashes me
2720 2011-05-02 21:29:19 <TheKid> ah - tcatm I see you submitted something yesterday to that effect?
2721 2011-05-02 21:29:34 <sipa> B0g4r7: i get 640 Mhash/s, converted to stock clock
2722 2011-05-02 21:29:39 <gjs278> what miner
2723 2011-05-02 21:29:48 <UpperCASEcc> ok so Im on my back office pc which has a 5830 in it, and i just opened the app a min ago and I have 8090 khash/s whats the in relation to how much USD per hour?
2724 2011-05-02 21:29:50 <tcatm> TheKid: ?
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2726 2011-05-02 21:29:58 <TheKid> I can get to 850 and probably higher, just have to bump voltage
2727 2011-05-02 21:30:03 <sipa> UpperCASEcc: look at this
2728 2011-05-02 21:30:03 <Diablo-D3> UpperCASEcc: very low, and thats also a waste
2729 2011-05-02 21:30:06 <TheKid> tcatm: to remove messages
2730 2011-05-02 21:30:07 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 8090
2731 2011-05-02 21:30:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 8090 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 1 year, 44 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 14 minutes, and 47 seconds
2732 2011-05-02 21:30:10 <Diablo-D3> 5830s are horribly shitty
2733 2011-05-02 21:30:17 <sipa> UpperCASEcc: so please turn that of, it's pointless
2734 2011-05-02 21:30:19 <TheKid> UpperCASEcc: that's your CPU mining I believe
2735 2011-05-02 21:30:23 <gjs278> I dont think 5830's do 8khash
2736 2011-05-02 21:30:25 <tcatm> TheKid: what messages?
2737 2011-05-02 21:30:26 <Diablo-D3> also yes
2738 2011-05-02 21:30:27 <gjs278> there's no way thats his gpu
2739 2011-05-02 21:30:29 <sipa> and now you are mining on your CPU
2740 2011-05-02 21:30:33 <TheKid> you need to use a GUI mining program to use your GPU
2741 2011-05-02 21:30:34 <Diablo-D3> they are faster than 8 mhash/sec I believe
2742 2011-05-02 21:30:39 <sipa> as i told you, the default client only support cpu mining
2743 2011-05-02 21:30:40 <TheKid> tcatm: in the senddialogue
2744 2011-05-02 21:30:41 <Diablo-D3> TheKid: bzzt fail.
2745 2011-05-02 21:30:41 <gjs278> yeah
2746 2011-05-02 21:30:46 <sipa> and isn't very good at that even
2747 2011-05-02 21:30:47 <TheKid> I'm looking at github right now
2748 2011-05-02 21:30:47 <Diablo-D3> DiabloMiner is not a gui program.
2749 2011-05-02 21:30:55 <gjs278> hahahah
2750 2011-05-02 21:30:58 <TheKid> Diablo-D3: herp, right
2751 2011-05-02 21:31:09 <TheKid> I phrased that poorly, but that is certainly the easiest process
2752 2011-05-02 21:31:13 <Diablo-D3> Damned straight Im right, I wrote the fucking thing.
2753 2011-05-02 21:31:21 <tcatm> TheKid: ah, yes. I removed them both
2754 2011-05-02 21:31:23 <gjs278> I have to try a core of my 5970 on diablo miner
2755 2011-05-02 21:31:33 <TheKid> and Diablo-D3 I never managed to get your miner to work on my 6990 or 5970 so buzz off :P
2756 2011-05-02 21:31:37 <gjs278> it has to beat 340mhash
2757 2011-05-02 21:31:38 <UpperCASEcc> So for an ati based card whats the best miner do you think?
2758 2011-05-02 21:31:44 <Diablo-D3> TheKid: should work fine, sounds like user error.
2759 2011-05-02 21:31:47 <Diablo-D3> UpperCASEcc: mine.
2760 2011-05-02 21:31:55 <Diablo-D3> I dont trust pheonix, honestly
2761 2011-05-02 21:31:57 <TheKid> Diablo-D3: on windows, I couldn't get it running, and you gave up helping :P
2762 2011-05-02 21:32:02 <TheKid> Diablo-D3: why?
2763 2011-05-02 21:32:02 <gjs278> I trust the poclbm one
2764 2011-05-02 21:32:07 <gjs278> which basically matches phoenix for me
2765 2011-05-02 21:32:11 <UpperCASEcc> Any known decent win7 miners?
2766 2011-05-02 21:32:13 <xvilka> something like http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381779
2767 2011-05-02 21:32:14 <gjs278> poclbm-gui
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2769 2011-05-02 21:32:16 <Diablo-D3> poclbm isnt so bad that it has bfi_int now
2770 2011-05-02 21:32:16 <TheKid> yeah that would be poclbm
2771 2011-05-02 21:32:17 <gjs278> can work on win7
2772 2011-05-02 21:32:40 <TheKid> tcatm: good, it was confusing some people. Why did it take so long? I imagine it was just removing code wasn't it?
2773 2011-05-02 21:32:42 <sipa> gjs278: i do 383Mhash/s on one core (at 860)
2774 2011-05-02 21:32:48 <gjs278> makes sense
2775 2011-05-02 21:32:51 <gjs278> I can't do 860 though
2776 2011-05-02 21:33:00 <luke-jr> UpperCASEcc: host pool.bitcoin.dashjr.org port 8337
2777 2011-05-02 21:33:01 <gjs278> my X crashes after awhile of use that high
2778 2011-05-02 21:33:05 <luke-jr> UpperCASEcc: username is your bitcoin address
2779 2011-05-02 21:34:15 <gjs278> the only way to view earned from the pool is to see transactions right? I know how to lookup shares, but I don't see one for earnings
2780 2011-05-02 21:35:20 <midnightmagic> gah. new poclbm chokes compiling the opencl. #pragma OPENCL EXTENSION cl_amd_media_ops : enable <- fails, plus amd_bitalign declared implicitly.
2781 2011-05-02 21:35:51 <luke-jr> gjs278: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/pool/balances.json
2782 2011-05-02 21:35:59 <luke-jr> gjs278: excludes what's been sent to you
2783 2011-05-02 21:36:07 <gjs278> ok
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2785 2011-05-02 21:36:16 <UpperCASEcc> Thanks guy, g2g
2786 2011-05-02 21:36:19 <UpperCASEcc> guys
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2788 2011-05-02 21:36:34 <MBS> so my pcie x1 extender cable came in :)
2789 2011-05-02 21:36:43 <gjs278> I did a pci-e 16 to 16 extender
2790 2011-05-02 21:36:53 <MBS> going to cut open the side
2791 2011-05-02 21:36:54 <tcatm> TheKid: we didn't have enough developers so less important ui fixes would take some time...
2792 2011-05-02 21:37:12 <gjs278> my stupid firefox
2793 2011-05-02 21:37:16 <gjs278> always tries to download json files
2794 2011-05-02 21:37:17 <MBS> well i only need it cuz the current motherboard on my server box is x1 only cuz its mini itx
2795 2011-05-02 21:37:41 <MBS> and i cant fit my current 5770 along with the 5850 im getting because it would block most of my sata ports :(
2796 2011-05-02 21:38:06 <B0g4r7> Where's you order from?
2797 2011-05-02 21:38:35 <B0g4r7> (the cable)
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2799 2011-05-02 21:38:50 <luke-jr> tcatm: get my piechart msg?
2800 2011-05-02 21:38:55 <xvilka> luke-jr: did you seen http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381779 ?
2801 2011-05-02 21:38:56 <MBS> the guy on marketplace
2802 2011-05-02 21:39:01 <MBS> though i got it through his ebay store
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2804 2011-05-02 21:39:27 <luke-jr> xvilka: no
2805 2011-05-02 21:39:29 <tcatm> luke-jr: hm no
2806 2011-05-02 21:39:37 <luke-jr> tcatm: can you rename mine to Eligius?
2807 2011-05-02 21:39:43 <tcatm> sure
2808 2011-05-02 21:39:46 <luke-jr> ty
2809 2011-05-02 21:40:18 <luke-jr> tcatm: also, is there a page with the pie chart more prominent (bigger and at the top)?
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2811 2011-05-02 21:40:33 <xelister> MBS: will you give me 3 BTC if I tell you how to solve "and i cant fit my current 5770 along with the 5850 im getting because it would block most of my sata ports :(" problem?
2812 2011-05-02 21:40:44 <MBS> lol
2813 2011-05-02 21:40:52 <Diablo-D3> xel is scumming for money
2814 2011-05-02 21:40:53 <tcatm> luke-jr: nope. I plan to make a dedicated "network statistics" page someday
2815 2011-05-02 21:40:58 <MBS> let me guess
2816 2011-05-02 21:41:07 <MBS> pcie x1 sata card :p
2817 2011-05-02 21:41:10 <MBS> lol
2818 2011-05-02 21:41:18 <luke-jr> OMG what happened to pie
2819 2011-05-02 21:41:22 <xelister> MBS: nope
2820 2011-05-02 21:41:26 <MBS> lol
2821 2011-05-02 21:41:30 <midnightmagic> and the answer is, it seems to require v2.1 SDK. (compile will succeed then). verification check failed shortly thereafter, fixed (at least seemingly so) by using the -v flag.
2822 2011-05-02 21:41:37 <xelister> Diablo-D3: what the fuck scumming
2823 2011-05-02 21:41:39 <MBS> it would be better in the server anyway
2824 2011-05-02 21:41:44 <xelister> Im also paying BTC for computer advices.
2825 2011-05-02 21:41:46 <luke-jr> MBS: he's gonna tell you [17:31:52] <MBS> so my pcie x1 extender cable came in ☺
2826 2011-05-02 21:41:52 <MBS> or that :p
2827 2011-05-02 21:41:55 <xelister> no, other then using pcie extender
2828 2011-05-02 21:42:04 <xelister> well if you will want, then poke me.
2829 2011-05-02 21:42:09 <MBS> 5770 runs really hot and would get better cooling on server that only has hdd heat
2830 2011-05-02 21:42:11 <tcatm> luke-jr: race condition. every rsync resets the piechart (and other stuff) until the next update script is run
2831 2011-05-02 21:42:24 <luke-jr> O.o
2832 2011-05-02 21:42:27 <MBS> will try to reseat the cooler tommorow night when card comes in though
2833 2011-05-02 21:42:41 <MBS> but i heard its a common problem with the original HIS 5770s
2834 2011-05-02 21:42:48 <MBS> so i might try a replacement cooler
2835 2011-05-02 21:43:13 <tcatm> luke-jr: I have a database model for precalculated data. Unfortunately, I decided to store both the code to generate it and the cached version in the same table.
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2838 2011-05-02 21:45:56 <TheKid> xelister: what advice do you need
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2840 2011-05-02 21:46:04 <plato> Hey, anyone from @BitcoinLabs here?
2841 2011-05-02 21:46:07 <midnightmagic> unfortunately, new poclbm, using v2.1 makes the screen flicker occasionally on my tri-monitor display.
2842 2011-05-02 21:46:16 <TheKid> MBS: the non stock coolers suck on 5770s
2843 2011-05-02 21:46:20 <TheKid> or any card tbh
2844 2011-05-02 21:46:45 <xelister> TheKid: run opencl on box with r5970 + undisablable onboard intel crap.  The intel crap seems to somehow get in the way
2845 2011-05-02 21:46:51 <B0g4r7> MBS, cool.  That's my bud.
2846 2011-05-02 21:47:43 <TheKid> Hmm.
2847 2011-05-02 21:47:46 <TheKid> what intel crap
2848 2011-05-02 21:48:02 <TheKid> and it has to be disableable, are you running a monitor through it or something?
2849 2011-05-02 21:48:11 <MBS> thekid
2850 2011-05-02 21:48:14 <xelister> TheKid: it is unkillable
2851 2011-05-02 21:48:15 <MBS> cant be worse than temps now
2852 2011-05-02 21:48:28 <MBS> 105C underclocked to 700mhz while mining
2853 2011-05-02 21:48:30 <forrestv> is historical data from mtgox archived anywhere?
2854 2011-05-02 21:48:33 <TheKid> MBS wow
2855 2011-05-02 21:48:36 <TheKid> what's ambient?
2856 2011-05-02 21:48:42 <xelister> TheKid: no bios option, no switch on board.  It works even with r5970 in slot, even with no monitor connected
2857 2011-05-02 21:48:43 <TheKid> forrestv: I believe on bitcoincharts.com
2858 2011-05-02 21:48:44 <MBS> like 45-50C idle
2859 2011-05-02 21:48:51 <xelister> MSyou. are. running. at. 105. Celcious. WTF?????
2860 2011-05-02 21:48:52 <MBS> fan blows cool air, lol
2861 2011-05-02 21:48:53 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102932
2862 2011-05-02 21:48:55 <Diablo-D3> I might buy this
2863 2011-05-02 21:49:00 <TheKid> disable in the system manager
2864 2011-05-02 21:49:02 <MBS> first i will try a reseat with some new thermal paste
2865 2011-05-02 21:49:04 <xelister> MBS: your card didn't fried yet? =)  how long @ > 100C ?
2866 2011-05-02 21:49:11 <MBS> 24/7, lol
2867 2011-05-02 21:49:20 <MBS> for like 1.5 weeks now
2868 2011-05-02 21:49:24 <xelister> TheKid: disable in in what manger? im on linux obviously
2869 2011-05-02 21:49:30 <midnightmagic> MBS: you're treading a fine line.
2870 2011-05-02 21:49:34 <xelister> MBS: you are running a card @105 C for 1.5 weeks 24/7 ? wow.
2871 2011-05-02 21:49:35 <MBS> lol
2872 2011-05-02 21:49:40 <xelister> MBS: 5770 HIS radeon?
2873 2011-05-02 21:49:43 <MBS> yeah
2874 2011-05-02 21:49:46 <MBS> if it dies i couldnt really care too much
2875 2011-05-02 21:49:46 <xelister> impressive
2876 2011-05-02 21:49:50 <MBS> have 5850 coming tommorrow
2877 2011-05-02 21:49:51 <TheKid> oh, herp
2878 2011-05-02 21:49:55 <xelister> tell us when it dies
2879 2011-05-02 21:50:18 <MBS> lol, well i am reseating it and putting it in a case with more airflow for a while
2880 2011-05-02 21:50:28 <TheKid> I don't know linux too well, sorry xelister
2881 2011-05-02 21:50:40 <MBS> lol i wonder how long the HIS warrenty is
2882 2011-05-02 21:51:24 <xelister> <his-tech-guy> What.. The... Fuck... happened to your card sire?  Was it used @ fukushima
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2884 2011-05-02 21:52:21 <MBS> i have a feeling reseating will prob wok
2885 2011-05-02 21:52:22 <MBS> work
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2887 2011-05-02 21:52:43 <MBS> but saw on some forum that the HIS 5770s had a problem for the heatsink rising up some from gpu
2888 2011-05-02 21:53:36 <Diablo-D3> HIS sucks though
2889 2011-05-02 21:55:26 <MBS> yeah
2890 2011-05-02 21:57:50 <phantomcircuit> MBS, jew
2891 2011-05-02 21:58:01 <MBS> ?
2892 2011-05-02 21:58:08 <MBS> oh hey phantom, lol
2893 2011-05-02 22:00:03 <phantomcircuit> ^ slow mofo
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2898 2011-05-02 22:06:46 <Diablo-D3> so\
2899 2011-05-02 22:06:48 <Diablo-D3> I have $92
2900 2011-05-02 22:06:49 <Diablo-D3> of
2901 2011-05-02 22:06:55 <Diablo-D3> my $1xx goal.
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2903 2011-05-02 22:08:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3: wanna get some donations? :-D
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2909 2011-05-02 22:11:41 <Diablo-D3> xelister: sigh.
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2915 2011-05-02 22:21:59 <TheKid> Diablo-D3: what's the goal for?
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2920 2011-05-02 22:26:29 <Diablo-D3> xelister: want to take bitcoin to the limits? send me 1 million 0.01 tx
2921 2011-05-02 22:26:33 <Diablo-D3> TheKid: a radeon 5xxx
2922 2011-05-02 22:28:21 <xelister> interesting bitcoin security discussion on #freenet-chat
2923 2011-05-02 22:29:06 <xelister> taling with Freenode (best cryptonetwork) main developer Toad:  "<xelister> easiest exampl:  guy using BtcFn had mined a block, and still using BtcFn just donated (one-way, no return-address etc) money to some bitcoin address.  I say, here it is impossible to say who donated this, unless you do very very heavy work of cracking both bitcoin and freenet protocols at same time basically"
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2925 2011-05-02 22:29:11 <topi`> did they reach a conclusion?
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2927 2011-05-02 22:29:43 <xelister> Diablo-D3: how much missing?
2928 2011-05-02 22:29:46 <plato> xelister: that was my impresion
2929 2011-05-02 22:30:43 <xelister> Diablo-D3: if I donate you 15 BTC (in 1 tx ;), will you later connect it to my pool for 3 weeks? (95-99% payouts of mined blocks, or 85-95% of EXPECTED blocks, e.g. paying even for each share - so good conditions)
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2931 2011-05-02 22:31:12 <xelister> also in first few days the pool may be a bit unstable
2932 2011-05-02 22:32:44 <Diablo-D3> xelister: but when my pool is up... Im just going to connect to my pool
2933 2011-05-02 22:36:39 <CIA-30> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r4ec861c / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Beefed up error reporting take, what are we at now, 12? - http://bit.ly/lqPbXm
2934 2011-05-02 22:36:58 <Diablo-D3> xelister: whos pool software are you going to use?
2935 2011-05-02 22:43:05 <xelister> Diablo-D3: will see yet
2936 2011-05-02 22:43:07 <xelister> one that works.
2937 2011-05-02 22:43:44 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well run it at least 2 weeks so I can test my pool server enough.  Btw, we could conenct your pool into mine pool or soemthing like that
2938 2011-05-02 22:43:57 <xelister> the goal is simply to get maximum liquidity / granulity
2939 2011-05-02 22:44:20 <ninjaneo> i read somewhere than 3rd party clients aren't condoned?
2940 2011-05-02 22:44:25 <ninjaneo> i wanted to make a python client
2941 2011-05-02 22:44:53 <sipa> ninjaneo: bitcoin clients you mean?
2942 2011-05-02 22:44:58 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: they're condoned... they just need to work
2943 2011-05-02 22:45:01 <xvilka> final. working good patch for bitcoin client http://dpaste.org/OwYT/
2944 2011-05-02 22:45:18 <ninjaneo> ah ok. Just saw on a forum post that I "had to use RPC"
2945 2011-05-02 22:45:20 <xvilka> now it can be compiled with PIC
2946 2011-05-02 22:46:06 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: erm, RPC means remote procedure call
2947 2011-05-02 22:46:07 <topi`> ninjaneo: I'm also making a python client
2948 2011-05-02 22:46:08 <xvilka> sorry. intendation issue
2949 2011-05-02 22:46:26 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: its what outside programs use to communicate with the bitcoin client
2950 2011-05-02 22:46:33 <topi`> but it will run slowly, even the C++ client eats plenty of cpu :)
2951 2011-05-02 22:46:33 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: like, miners and such
2952 2011-05-02 22:46:36 <sipa> xvilka: it's a massive work to create a full client from scratch
2953 2011-05-02 22:46:41 <sipa> xvilka: but if you can, please
2954 2011-05-02 22:46:47 <ninjaneo> yeah i didn't really care to use the bitcoin client in combination with another client
2955 2011-05-02 22:46:54 <xvilka> sipa: why i am?
2956 2011-05-02 22:47:06 <sipa> xvilka: oops, i meant ninjaneo
2957 2011-05-02 22:47:28 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: well, miners arent full clients, etc etc
2958 2011-05-02 22:47:35 <Diablo-D3> miners dont know anything about bitcoin
2959 2011-05-02 22:48:07 <xelister> bitches :<
2960 2011-05-02 22:48:10 <ninjaneo> yea yea, I'm interested in the block chain and the p2p
2961 2011-05-02 22:48:11 <ninjaneo> ;D
2962 2011-05-02 22:48:59 * xelister pokes nanotube nameless| sipa   as I said we are discussing with THE creator of THE best cryptonetwork on #freenet-chat   about bitcoin, how to make it uncensorable, how to use it with privacy respecting trading etc.  join? :)
2963 2011-05-02 22:49:55 <xelister> Diablo-D3:   :-)[ Minets ain't know about my hoarded bitcoins ]<
2964 2011-05-02 22:49:59 <xelister> *miners
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2966 2011-05-02 22:53:56 <xelister> Diablo-D3: so?
2967 2011-05-02 22:54:00 <Diablo-D3> well
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2969 2011-05-02 22:54:08 <xelister> if Im donating 50 usd you could like show some entusiasm?
2970 2011-05-02 22:54:21 <xelister> I mentioned I dont have money for food recently =) ?  (invested ALL into mineeersss)
2971 2011-05-02 22:54:33 <Diablo-D3> dude, wtf.
2972 2011-05-02 22:54:58 <xelister> Im left with just some last BTCs... too bad can't spent that yet on food directly ;)
2973 2011-05-02 22:55:11 <Diablo-D3> xelister: well
2974 2011-05-02 22:55:14 <Diablo-D3> then you know what its like to be me
2975 2011-05-02 22:55:40 <xelister> hm, you dont have a job? I thought you're adult/advanced developer
2976 2011-05-02 22:55:58 <Diablo-D3> being an adult does not magically give you jobs.
2977 2011-05-02 22:56:36 <noagendamarket> nope it doesnt
2978 2011-05-02 22:57:16 <Diablo-D3> I am stuck in this strange space where Im simultaneously overqualified for every job ever, and underqualified.
2979 2011-05-02 22:57:19 <xelister> does it give blowjobs magicaly
2980 2011-05-02 22:57:30 <Diablo-D3> xelister: only your mom does.
2981 2011-05-02 22:57:33 <noagendamarket> lawl
2982 2011-05-02 22:57:46 <BurtyB> xelister sounds like you need some carrots for BTC
2983 2011-05-02 22:57:59 <xelister> yeah there should be
2984 2011-05-02 22:58:13 <noagendamarket> someone should sell noodles for btc
2985 2011-05-02 22:58:20 <BurtyB> http://bitmunchies.com/
2986 2011-05-02 22:58:22 <noagendamarket> since thats what I live on lol
2987 2011-05-02 22:58:29 <Diablo-D3> it could be worse
2988 2011-05-02 22:58:33 <Diablo-D3> this could be an episode of Tenchi.
2989 2011-05-02 22:58:33 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I think your childhood experiences are unique to you =)
2990 2011-05-02 22:58:37 * dinox going to bed now, hoping that btc market has not crashed to tomorrow
2991 2011-05-02 22:58:51 <noagendamarket> hahaha bitmunchies
2992 2011-05-02 22:58:53 * BurtyB used to live on noodles n beer in the student days.. not much has changed
2993 2011-05-02 22:58:58 <noagendamarket> now thers a site i can use
2994 2011-05-02 22:58:59 <luke-jr> seriously, 45 BTC per lb of carrots? wtf?
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2996 2011-05-02 22:59:20 <BurtyB> luke-jr lol yeah i did think they had over valued the golden carrot
2997 2011-05-02 22:59:26 <Diablo-D3> well
2998 2011-05-02 22:59:28 <noagendamarket> wtf carrots
2999 2011-05-02 22:59:29 <Diablo-D3> that was probably when
3000 2011-05-02 22:59:35 <Diablo-D3> 45 btc was like $4.50
3001 2011-05-02 22:59:55 <noagendamarket> they need a script that automatically adjusts prices
3002 2011-05-02 23:02:12 <BurtyB> unless they got stock with BTC ;)
3003 2011-05-02 23:02:28 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: it could be done
3004 2011-05-02 23:02:37 <topi`> ninjaneo: do you know about socket and thread programming in python?
3005 2011-05-02 23:02:43 <Diablo-D3> collect, say, last 7 days of mtgox averages
3006 2011-05-02 23:02:49 <Diablo-D3> then round to the nearest $x.99
3007 2011-05-02 23:03:01 <topi`> what I'm looking forward is to use Stackless python or PyPy to create a fully concurrent Bitcoin client
3008 2011-05-02 23:03:20 <topi`> the current C++ code is difficult to debug because of the threading design
3009 2011-05-02 23:03:36 <noagendamarket> yeah and on the backend the merchant can input the amount of their currency they need
3010 2011-05-02 23:03:45 <noagendamarket> which get sconverted
3011 2011-05-02 23:04:21 <noagendamarket> as soon as someone does hosted shops that do this they win
3012 2011-05-02 23:04:59 <ninjaneo> yeah but i think im going asynch
3013 2011-05-02 23:05:00 <ninjaneo> twisted
3014 2011-05-02 23:05:09 <ninjaneo> event driven
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3021 2011-05-02 23:11:31 <forrestv> topi`, you mean twisted?
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3023 2011-05-02 23:12:03 <alkor> Is anybody working on replaceing wxWidgets with Qt in the official bitcoin client?
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3025 2011-05-02 23:15:02 <Diablo-D3> alkor: hell no
3026 2011-05-02 23:15:05 <Diablo-D3> gtk or gtfo
3027 2011-05-02 23:15:34 <alkor> gtk does not work well on Mac OS
3028 2011-05-02 23:15:44 <Diablo-D3> not my problem
3029 2011-05-02 23:15:47 <Diablo-D3> file a bug with apple
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3031 2011-05-02 23:16:47 <alkor> I am not really interested in engaging in a flame war with you.
3032 2011-05-02 23:17:02 <alkor> The problem with wxWidgets is that it doesn't even work on the most recent Ubuntu.
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3034 2011-05-02 23:17:21 <alkor> So, yeah maybe even choosing GTK would be better than the current situation.
3035 2011-05-02 23:17:47 <alkor> Right now people that have upgraded to Ubuntu 11.04 cannot start the GUI client.
3036 2011-05-02 23:19:21 <topi`> forrestv: no, I mean microthreads that Stackless python implements
3037 2011-05-02 23:19:38 <xvilka> yep gtk/qt is better than wxWidgets. much better
3038 2011-05-02 23:19:46 <topi`> but yes, basically Twisted could be used for implementing the socket reading in bitcoin
3039 2011-05-02 23:20:33 <topi`> alkor: wait for the MeeGo guys to get on board; they'll happily do a Qt port ;)
3040 2011-05-02 23:20:57 <slush> wtf is blackmarket client? Are they serious?
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3042 2011-05-02 23:22:05 <slush> I hacked installation more than 10 minutes and failed on blackmarket.py register on ;couldnt connect to host'. We are in 21st century, aren't we?
3043 2011-05-02 23:22:08 <alkor> topi`: Are people still working on MeeGo? Didn't Nokia abandon the project?
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3045 2011-05-02 23:23:47 <Diablo-D3> alkor: no, Ill agree with you on one thing
3046 2011-05-02 23:23:50 <Diablo-D3> wx is fucking shit
3047 2011-05-02 23:24:22 <alkor> well, ok then. Let's have a Gtk client so that at least ubuntu users can have a decent client.
3048 2011-05-02 23:24:36 <topi`> alkor: I don't know since I no longer work for Nokia, but if I had to make a guess, I think they're still working on MeeGo
3049 2011-05-02 23:24:47 <Blitzboom> slush: afaik the server’s down for maintenance
3050 2011-05-02 23:25:00 <Diablo-D3> nope
3051 2011-05-02 23:25:01 <Diablo-D3> meego is dead
3052 2011-05-02 23:25:15 <Blitzboom> nokia is dead
3053 2011-05-02 23:25:21 <xelister> USA (and others) govs 2012  "lets not invent ways to use penises for sex, because then rapists will use that too and they will again delegalize penises"  =)
3054 2011-05-02 23:25:22 <topi`> who did write the original wx code for Bitcoin?
3055 2011-05-02 23:25:28 <Blitzboom> they don’t use android => dead
3056 2011-05-02 23:25:32 <Diablo-D3> topi`: satoshi wrote all the original code
3057 2011-05-02 23:25:35 <Diablo-D3> Blitzboom: well, its worse
3058 2011-05-02 23:25:43 <xelister> topi`: satoshi.  It was right after he first time in history used BTC to buy weed. Lots of it =)
3059 2011-05-02 23:26:16 <Diablo-D3> meego is fucking dead because nokia ditched maemo and pissed off the entire maemo community
3060 2011-05-02 23:26:17 <Diablo-D3> THEN
3061 2011-05-02 23:26:18 <topi`> alkor: Gtk2 works nicely with OSX, have you tried building it from macports?
3062 2011-05-02 23:26:20 <Diablo-D3> microsoft bought nokia
3063 2011-05-02 23:26:28 <topi`> targeting Aqua, no X11 needed
3064 2011-05-02 23:26:29 <Diablo-D3> and fired the meego lead, alberto torres
3065 2011-05-02 23:27:07 <topi`> Diablo-D3: well, that's pretty much true, but they still keep some guys working for them (I know my friends still work)
3066 2011-05-02 23:27:26 * Diablo-D3 shrugs
3067 2011-05-02 23:27:27 <topi`> which means that they are polishing a release. for something. dunno
3068 2011-05-02 23:27:31 <Diablo-D3> meego was dead to begin with
3069 2011-05-02 23:27:32 <Diablo-D3> so
3070 2011-05-02 23:27:33 <Diablo-D3> who cares
3071 2011-05-02 23:27:40 <topi`> I agree, I didn't like the Meego move
3072 2011-05-02 23:28:07 <disq> me neither. though it was a long time after i stopped developing for maemo (hi)
3073 2011-05-02 23:28:31 <topi`> disq: I developed when it was still called "internet tablet OS" :)
3074 2011-05-02 23:28:38 <Diablo-D3> loldisq
3075 2011-05-02 23:28:40 <disq> ITOS2005? sure!
3076 2011-05-02 23:28:42 <alkor> topi`: I think if someone publishes a well documented and stable C/C++ API for the bitcoin library, then it would be trivial for people to write  a native Apple client without having to go trhough Gtk.
3077 2011-05-02 23:28:47 <Diablo-D3> well
3078 2011-05-02 23:28:55 <Diablo-D3> Im hoping android 3.x takes off on tablets
3079 2011-05-02 23:28:57 <Diablo-D3> I mean
3080 2011-05-02 23:28:59 <Diablo-D3> I fucking hate android
3081 2011-05-02 23:29:05 <Diablo-D3> but
3082 2011-05-02 23:29:13 <topi`> alkor: well, that's true as well. and then you could link the C/C++ lib to the Objective-C code
3083 2011-05-02 23:29:14 <Diablo-D3> I like linux, I like java, and I hope google wins against oracle on the java suite
3084 2011-05-02 23:29:21 <Diablo-D3> and I would run android before everything else
3085 2011-05-02 23:29:22 <Diablo-D3> BUT
3086 2011-05-02 23:29:25 <Diablo-D3> I still fucking hate it
3087 2011-05-02 23:29:34 <forrestv> why not just write an http interface to bitcoind
3088 2011-05-02 23:29:35 <xelister> you prefer gaypad?
3089 2011-05-02 23:29:41 <forrestv> so there is no need to gui frontends?
3090 2011-05-02 23:29:43 <topi`> android has some really interesting bits. like a fucked-up C library
3091 2011-05-02 23:29:45 <jlewis> phantomcircuit: thread creation time isn't the only metric you have to consider
3092 2011-05-02 23:29:47 <Diablo-D3> xelister: android > ios
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3094 2011-05-02 23:29:51 <Diablo-D3> and its not the hardware
3095 2011-05-02 23:29:59 <Diablo-D3> they've been selling ipad sized computers for like a decade now
3096 2011-05-02 23:30:05 <Diablo-D3> I think ipads are too big
3097 2011-05-02 23:30:11 <Diablo-D3> 7" is the right size, not 10"
3098 2011-05-02 23:30:14 <jlewis> phantomcircuit: in particular io performance degrades more when multiplexed over many threads than when multiplexed through aio
3099 2011-05-02 23:30:41 <topi`> Diablo-D3: the crowds disagree with you :)
3100 2011-05-02 23:30:47 <topi`> if you look at the ipad sales figures
3101 2011-05-02 23:31:05 <Diablo-D3> I dont give a fuck about the cult of apple
3102 2011-05-02 23:31:10 <Diablo-D3> also, ipad sales are basically shit
3103 2011-05-02 23:31:17 <Diablo-D3> look at iphone sales vs android phone sales
3104 2011-05-02 23:31:20 <Diablo-D3> its like 2:1 now
3105 2011-05-02 23:31:35 <alkor> Android's NDK sucks. It is hell to port an existing C/C++ library to android, and it is even harder then to call it from Java through the JNI.
3106 2011-05-02 23:31:40 <Diablo-D3> soon as all the big first gen android 3.0 tablets come out, a year after that, its going to be the same 2:1
3107 2011-05-02 23:31:50 <Diablo-D3> alkor: NDK is new
3108 2011-05-02 23:32:03 <Diablo-D3> alkor: and NDK doesnt make it more difficult to use JNI
3109 2011-05-02 23:32:28 <Diablo-D3> the real problem is, the Android SDK was obviously written by fuckers who didnt understand Java
3110 2011-05-02 23:32:30 <Diablo-D3> which pisses me off
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3114 2011-05-02 23:33:40 <alkor> Well, the fact remains that it is hard to port an existing C/C++ library to android, whereas on the iPhone you can just call it directly from inside Obj-C code without having to wrap around it using JNI
3115 2011-05-02 23:34:05 <xvilka> alkor: you right. and bionic libc - is a sh*t
3116 2011-05-02 23:34:17 <alkor> I am actually an android user, and I sstill have the first generation T-mobile G1, and it is slow as hell
3117 2011-05-02 23:34:23 <Diablo-D3> alkor: well
3118 2011-05-02 23:34:28 <Diablo-D3> Id never use native code on android to ebgin with
3119 2011-05-02 23:34:33 <xvilka> i'm ported powertop on android, so i know this exactly
3120 2011-05-02 23:34:47 <Diablo-D3> kind of defeats the point of using java to begin with
3121 2011-05-02 23:37:37 <sipa> alkor: i had a htc hero, and have
3122 2011-05-02 23:38:22 <sipa> alkor: i had a htc hero (which i found too slow, actually), and am now using an lg optimus one (cheap, but actually fast)
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3124 2011-05-02 23:41:21 <eps> ;;bc,stats
3125 2011-05-02 23:41:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121500 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1475 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 143901.48670891
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3131 2011-05-02 23:51:12 <phantomcircuit> jlewis, io performance does not degrade when multiplexed over many threads
3132 2011-05-02 23:51:18 <phantomcircuit> jlewis, indeed the opposite is true
3133 2011-05-02 23:53:25 <jlewis> if you have 1000 threads all trying to write to the network at once, my intuition is that you're going to take a worse performance hit than if you had a pool of threads doing aio on 1000 connections
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3135 2011-05-02 23:53:51 <jlewis> you could well be right, in any case it'd be nice if we could find some data on this
3136 2011-05-02 23:53:53 <Diablo-D3> jlewis: uh, jesus christ
3137 2011-05-02 23:54:04 <jlewis> hmm?
3138 2011-05-02 23:54:06 <Diablo-D3> THREAD PER CONNECTION == BAD
3139 2011-05-02 23:54:06 <Diablo-D3> THREAD PER CONNECTION == BAD
3140 2011-05-02 23:54:07 <Diablo-D3> THREAD PER CONNECTION == BAD
3141 2011-05-02 23:54:07 <Diablo-D3> THREAD PER CONNECTION == BAD
3142 2011-05-02 23:54:09 <Diablo-D3> DO NOT DO IT
3143 2011-05-02 23:54:15 <Diablo-D3> DO
3144 2011-05-02 23:54:15 <jlewis> Diablo-D3: that's what i'm arguing..
3145 2011-05-02 23:54:15 <Diablo-D3> NOT
3146 2011-05-02 23:54:16 <Diablo-D3> DO
3147 2011-05-02 23:54:17 <Diablo-D3> IT
3148 2011-05-02 23:54:22 <jlewis> please relax :)
3149 2011-05-02 23:54:45 <jlewis> if you read what i said, you'll see that i'm not advocating one thread per connection
3150 2011-05-02 23:54:50 <jlewis> in fact its just the opposite
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3152 2011-05-02 23:54:57 <Diablo-D3> fine, keep advocating it
3153 2011-05-02 23:55:04 <Diablo-D3> because Im going to crowbar the next fucker that does that
3154 2011-05-02 23:55:06 <xelister> jlewis: send him 1 BTC as 100 tx he will relax then =)  want the script?
3155 2011-05-02 23:55:20 * xelister hides   wowowowowo wo wo ~~~~<_<~~~~
3156 2011-05-02 23:55:22 <Diablo-D3> why the fuck are people even fucking coding socket wranglers?
3157 2011-05-02 23:55:39 <jlewis> what's a socket wrangler? why are you getting so upset? :)
3158 2011-05-02 23:55:46 <Diablo-D3> jlewis: bad code makes me angry
3159 2011-05-02 23:57:20 <jlewis> k dude
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3161 2011-05-02 23:57:31 <Diablo-D3> its just that theres at least 9000 libraries and frameworks to help build fucking event driven network stacks
3162 2011-05-02 23:57:32 <Diablo-D3> its not hard
3163 2011-05-02 23:57:45 <jlewis> i don't think you realize that no one ever said it was hard
3164 2011-05-02 23:57:59 <Diablo-D3> well why the fuck are people still trying to code this shit
3165 2011-05-02 23:58:01 <Diablo-D3> its insane
3166 2011-05-02 23:58:36 <jlewis> bitcoin's rpc server has synchronous connection code. i rewrote it to use asynchronous io. what's the big deal?
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3168 2011-05-02 23:58:54 <Diablo-D3> jlewis: using what?
3169 2011-05-02 23:58:59 <jlewis> boost::aio
3170 2011-05-02 23:59:06 <Diablo-D3> feh, more boost faggotry
3171 2011-05-02 23:59:23 <jlewis> most communities don't yell at you for making positive contributions
3172 2011-05-02 23:59:37 <Diablo-D3> want to make a really possitive contribution?
3173 2011-05-02 23:59:44 <Diablo-D3> take out all the wx and boost code.
3174 2011-05-02 23:59:45 <jlewis> i'll just assume that most people are interested in improving the code quality of bitcoin, and you're in the minority
3175 2011-05-02 23:59:54 <jlewis> boost isn't an evil
3176 2011-05-02 23:59:57 <jlewis> i'm not going to comment on wx