1 2011-05-03 00:00:00 <Diablo-D3> yes. yes it is.
   2 2011-05-03 00:00:02 <Diablo-D3> boost is very evil.
   3 2011-05-03 00:00:14 <Diablo-D3> jlewis: btw, do you know how bad the bitcoin code is?
   4 2011-05-03 00:00:21 <jlewis> why? could you give me some evidence? so far i've only really heard you talk in assertions
   5 2011-05-03 00:00:23 <Diablo-D3> its so bad I almost want to code my own client from scratch
   6 2011-05-03 00:00:42 <jlewis> and yes, i'm aware it's not really in the best of shape, that's why i'm trying to contribute..
   7 2011-05-03 00:00:56 <Diablo-D3> well, if you can get it to suck less, go ahead and try
   8 2011-05-03 00:01:02 <Diablo-D3> its just a very uphill battle.
   9 2011-05-03 00:01:22 <jlewis> so what's wrong with boost again?
  10 2011-05-03 00:01:29 <Diablo-D3> I just hate it
  11 2011-05-03 00:01:40 <jlewis> ok, well that's very different from it being Bad, isn't it? :)
  12 2011-05-03 00:01:42 <Diablo-D3> it seems to use the worst features of c++
  13 2011-05-03 00:01:50 <topi`> I found that boost bloats my debian installation
  14 2011-05-03 00:01:51 <Diablo-D3> and it doesnt help c++ is one of the worst languages ever
  15 2011-05-03 00:02:13 <topi`> agree with Diablo ;)
  16 2011-05-03 00:02:17 <jlewis> i don't want to turn this into a language war, but you surely must agree that it has some virtues considering how many people use it, right?
  17 2011-05-03 00:02:23 <topi`> about C++ being one of the worst languages
  18 2011-05-03 00:02:32 <xelister> topi`: bitch are you crazy =)
  19 2011-05-03 00:02:34 <xelister> c++ rules
  20 2011-05-03 00:02:48 <topi`> xel: fix your X server, and then we'll talk
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  22 2011-05-03 00:02:55 <xelister> if /pros/ are using it (it takes lot of skill to make not-shit)
  23 2011-05-03 00:03:10 <Diablo-D3> jlewis: btw, how is boost::aio setup? is it just using libevent underneath?
  24 2011-05-03 00:03:17 <xelister> topi`: yeah trying, soon you can help more
  25 2011-05-03 00:04:02 <jlewis> Diablo-D3: it uses epoll
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  27 2011-05-03 00:04:43 <Diablo-D3> what, directly? and thats it?
  28 2011-05-03 00:04:44 <Diablo-D3> wtf.
  29 2011-05-03 00:04:55 <jlewis> Diablo-D3: i don't know the implementation details; that's why it's a library, lol
  30 2011-05-03 00:05:20 <jlewis> afaik libevent is just a wrapper around epoll anyway
  31 2011-05-03 00:05:32 <Diablo-D3> no
  32 2011-05-03 00:05:39 <Diablo-D3> libevent is a wrapper around epoll and similar APIs
  33 2011-05-03 00:05:44 <Diablo-D3> its useful on OS other than Linu
  34 2011-05-03 00:05:47 <jlewis> right, in a platform independent way
  35 2011-05-03 00:05:53 <jlewis> same with boost
  36 2011-05-03 00:06:10 <jlewis> i'm not sure if it uses libevent or some other platform independence abstraction
  37 2011-05-03 00:06:22 <Diablo-D3> well, it'd be nice if it used libevent or libev directly
  38 2011-05-03 00:07:09 <Diablo-D3> hrm, apparently it uses its own code
  39 2011-05-03 00:07:09 <Diablo-D3> wtf.
  40 2011-05-03 00:07:47 <Diablo-D3> doesnt use solaris's epoll-alike
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  42 2011-05-03 00:08:16 <Diablo-D3> supports epoll, and kqueue on bsd/osx
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  47 2011-05-03 00:09:07 <Bayaba> Can someone tell me what the system requirements are to run Bitcoin?
  48 2011-05-03 00:09:20 <Diablo-D3> Bayaba: well, the computer has to be able to turn on.
  49 2011-05-03 00:09:55 <Bayaba> I see some info stating that I may need an ATI graphics card
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  51 2011-05-03 00:10:06 <jlewis> only if you want to do gpu mining
  52 2011-05-03 00:10:09 <Diablo-D3> you dont need a graphics card to RUN bitcoin
  53 2011-05-03 00:10:17 <Diablo-D3> to gpu mine, obviously you need a suitable gpu
  54 2011-05-03 00:11:31 <Bayaba> I'm also having trouble getting it to install. I am currently running Ubuntu 11.04 but want to go back to 10.10
  55 2011-05-03 00:12:03 <jlewis> #ubuntu might be a better place to ask about that
  56 2011-05-03 00:12:28 <sipa> Bayaba: there is a known issue in ubuntu 11.04
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  58 2011-05-03 00:12:38 <sipa> Bayaba: but there is a special build that works on 11.04
  59 2011-05-03 00:12:43 <sipa> let me find the forum post
  60 2011-05-03 00:12:46 <Bayaba> but is there info for installing on a Ubuntu system?
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  62 2011-05-03 00:13:20 <Diablo-D3> Bayaba: I just use the binary zip
  63 2011-05-03 00:13:24 <sipa> Bayaba: just unpack and run
  64 2011-05-03 00:13:25 <sipa> http://bitcoin.bluematt.me/bitcoin-nightly/ubuntu-11.04/
  65 2011-05-03 00:13:27 <Diablo-D3> compiling bitcoin is too much of a pita
  66 2011-05-03 00:14:02 <sipa> Bayaba: but by the way, bitcoin is much more than creating free money out of thin air
  67 2011-05-03 00:14:11 <Bayaba> sipa, thanks for the link. I'll see if that gets me anywhere
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  69 2011-05-03 00:14:23 <sipa> yes, it is possible to take part in mining, but unless you have very good hardware, it will probably not be worth it
  70 2011-05-03 00:14:34 <sipa> (to recover electricity and/or hardware costs)
  71 2011-05-03 00:15:17 <sipa> (mining = help searching for bitcoin blocks, necessary for the security of the system, and each block comes with a reward of 50BTC (for now) to its finder)
  72 2011-05-03 00:15:21 <Bayaba> I want it as an alternative means of exchange so I can stop using fiat garbage that the system leaves us with little choice for survival
  73 2011-05-03 00:15:58 <sipa> you can just buy bitcoins too - that's probably cheaper, unless you have a high-end graphic card and supporting system already
  74 2011-05-03 00:16:18 <Bayaba> I was engaged to an accountant for the Federal Reserve, btw, so I do understand the smoke and mirrors of that system rather well
  75 2011-05-03 00:17:15 <sipa> :)
  76 2011-05-03 00:18:01 <Bayaba> sipa, thanks again. I'll stop back if I need more help
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  88 2011-05-03 00:24:10 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
  89 2011-05-03 00:24:19 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.495,"low":3.029,"vol":18331,"buy":3.2,"sell":3.2989,"last":3.2}}
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  91 2011-05-03 00:26:31 <jaybny> mtgox update ne1?
  92 2011-05-03 00:26:54 <thermal> http://mtgox.com/: Loadavg too high due to ddos, please retry in ~5 min
  93 2011-05-03 00:26:56 <thermal> me too
  94 2011-05-03 00:27:06 <thermal> :(
  95 2011-05-03 00:27:18 <xelister> thermal: me 3
  96 2011-05-03 00:27:28 <thermal> been like that for long?
  97 2011-05-03 00:27:46 <thermal> i hope it's popularity, not something malicious
  98 2011-05-03 00:28:02 <jaybny> has anyone ever made a withdaw of USD from mtgox? if so, how? wire? check? paypal? ty
  99 2011-05-03 00:28:18 <sipa> wire
 100 2011-05-03 00:28:26 <sipa> (euro)
 101 2011-05-03 00:29:09 <jaybny> dows anyone know where the cash sits? if mtgox get raided by US govt... do we loose out $?
 102 2011-05-03 00:29:10 <jaybny> our
 103 2011-05-03 00:29:28 <JFK911> is it even in the usa?
 104 2011-05-03 00:29:58 <sipa> i'm sure MagicalTux knows :D
 105 2011-05-03 00:30:43 <jaybny> all i know is I sent a wire to a US account... and then dos. so did i lose my $?
 106 2011-05-03 00:30:46 <JFK911> i cant imagine how it would do cheap giro wires if it was in the usa
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 109 2011-05-03 00:31:22 <x5x> who's dosing mtgox now ?
 110 2011-05-03 00:31:35 <MagicalTux> jaybny, the ddos is just a temporaryt issue
 111 2011-05-03 00:31:36 <MagicalTux> x5x, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381851/
 112 2011-05-03 00:32:02 <x5x> egypt eh
 113 2011-05-03 00:32:31 <x5x> MagicalTux, are they dosing member pages or public apges?
 114 2011-05-03 00:32:51 <MagicalTux> x5x, both
 115 2011-05-03 00:32:55 <x5x> damn
 116 2011-05-03 00:33:07 <JFK911> rude behavior
 117 2011-05-03 00:33:37 <x5x> do you think its still that btcex dood?
 118 2011-05-03 00:34:02 <jaybny> is it bitcoinex?
 119 2011-05-03 00:34:49 <slush> I doubt it was bitcoinex. But thanks to his self-promo on forum I think he is really an idiot :)
 120 2011-05-03 00:35:00 <jaybny> i just added my ip to this.. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381851/   did i make a mistake?
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 124 2011-05-03 00:39:56 <alkor> Does anybody know what is the status of https://github.com/phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt?
 125 2011-05-03 00:40:04 <alkor> Can it be used to send and receive coins?
 126 2011-05-03 00:40:18 <jlewis> i expect phantomcircuit would now
 127 2011-05-03 00:40:20 <jlewis> know*
 128 2011-05-03 00:40:23 <phantomcircuit> hmm i think i might know who would know
 129 2011-05-03 00:40:29 <jlewis> :(
 130 2011-05-03 00:40:32 <jlewis> :)
 131 2011-05-03 00:40:37 <jlewis> full of typos today
 132 2011-05-03 00:41:09 <phantomcircuit> alkor, no it cannot yet send or receive coins, the main thing standing in the way of that is the OP_CHECKSIG instruction
 133 2011-05-03 00:41:17 <phantomcircuit> which im really not too keen on implementing
 134 2011-05-03 00:41:20 <phantomcircuit> also work that pays
 135 2011-05-03 00:41:23 <jaybny> MagicalTux, did u get my wire?
 136 2011-05-03 00:41:46 <alkor> Why is it so hard to implement the OP_CHECKSIG instruction?
 137 2011-05-03 00:42:02 <xelister> MOTHER
 138 2011-05-03 00:42:04 <xelister> OF
 139 2011-05-03 00:42:05 <xelister> GOD
 140 2011-05-03 00:42:06 <jlewis> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/OP_CHECKSIG
 141 2011-05-03 00:42:13 <xelister> if I dont make this damn r5970 in this damn old mobo work
 142 2011-05-03 00:42:17 <xelister> I will throw the motherfucking pc
 143 2011-05-03 00:42:18 <xelister> out
 144 2011-05-03 00:42:20 <xelister> the fucking window.
 145 2011-05-03 00:42:36 <xelister> Blaaaarghghghghgg.
 146 2011-05-03 00:44:37 <phantomcircuit> alkor, it's tedious
 147 2011-05-03 00:44:48 <plato_> anyone here part of Bitcoin Labs
 148 2011-05-03 00:44:55 <EPiSKiNG> http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1172&ID=1910
 149 2011-05-03 00:45:02 <EPiSKiNG> does that look like a decent PSU?
 150 2011-05-03 00:45:42 <alkor> phantomcircuit: Why did you decide to use sqlite to store the blockchain?
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 153 2011-05-03 00:46:09 <fabianhjr> Hi, sup?
 154 2011-05-03 00:46:12 <phantomcircuit> alkor, what else would i use?
 155 2011-05-03 00:46:17 <fabianhjr> How is MtGox doing after the DDoS?
 156 2011-05-03 00:46:44 <jlewis> sqlite is pretty great
 157 2011-05-03 00:46:46 <jaybny> ddos sill on
 158 2011-05-03 00:46:47 <alkor> phantomcircuit: For example, the Berkley db format as the official client?
 159 2011-05-03 00:47:02 <phantomcircuit> alkor, bdb is pretty arcane
 160 2011-05-03 00:47:11 <phantomcircuit> it's pretty unstructured
 161 2011-05-03 00:47:38 <alkor> I wonder if there is any reason as to why satoshi didn't use it in the official client.
 162 2011-05-03 00:47:41 <jlewis> i don't know of too many products that use bdb
 163 2011-05-03 00:48:11 <jlewis> also it's not exactly free software
 164 2011-05-03 00:48:48 <phantomcircuit> alkor, my best guess is that satoshi is some kind of academic, his code is very academicy
 165 2011-05-03 00:48:50 <jlewis> er, i guess it is, it just uses a weird oracle license
 166 2011-05-03 00:49:20 <fabianhjr> Anybody want to contribute to decentralize Financial Institutions? http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7096.0 I basically suggest a Ripple system that also extends to, but not limited to, brokerage, insurance, stock, and banking.
 167 2011-05-03 00:49:39 <thermal> what a cool name, Bitcoin Labs
 168 2011-05-03 00:50:04 <fabianhjr> thermal: whats's the market if any?
 169 2011-05-03 00:50:29 <thermal> no idea, just saw it mentioned above
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 171 2011-05-03 00:52:04 <EvanR> otc is trading...
 172 2011-05-03 00:52:17 <EvanR> buying around 3.1 selling around 3.3
 173 2011-05-03 00:52:55 benlake has joined
 174 2011-05-03 00:52:58 <EvanR> i just bought at 3.3
 175 2011-05-03 00:53:12 B0g4r7_ has joined
 176 2011-05-03 00:53:14 <alkor> How can you do ECDSA signing/verification from python? Is there a module for that?
 177 2011-05-03 00:53:42 <benlake> is there a roadmap for the BC client somewhere?
 178 2011-05-03 00:54:17 <fabianhjr> benlake: on the github page. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/
 179 2011-05-03 00:54:21 <jaybny> where is that exchange? EvanR
 180 2011-05-03 00:54:36 <benlake> fabianhjr: just as I click on the github link :P thanks
 181 2011-05-03 00:55:54 <benlake> fabianhjr: is it a file or a page? not seeing it...
 182 2011-05-03 00:56:05 <fabianhjr> It is in the issues tab.
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 184 2011-05-03 00:56:20 <fabianhjr> So if you got an idea you file it as Brainstorming or Request
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 186 2011-05-03 00:56:45 <fabianhjr> If you find a bug you do it as a Bug and each file you append the tag of the release it is related to.
 187 2011-05-03 00:57:16 <fabianhjr> For instance if you have a request it would go under the 0.3.22, where as we are in the 21 release.
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 189 2011-05-03 00:58:42 <fabianhjr> So no single comment on the OurFinances, decentralized financial services, implementation?
 190 2011-05-03 00:58:49 <benlake> fabianhjr: oic
 191 2011-05-03 00:59:07 <benlake> fabianhjr: you a main contrib?
 192 2011-05-03 00:59:34 <fabianhjr> Not really, I am still learning programming. I am more of a thinker.
 193 2011-05-03 00:59:48 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik * rfa8e5cd98541 pushpool/README: Better document dependencies. http://tinyurl.com/6krh3sl
 194 2011-05-03 01:00:20 <fabianhjr> There is the PHP library that I am working on at https://github.com/fabianhjr/bitcoinClient/
 195 2011-05-03 01:01:00 <noagendamarket> fabianhjr bitcoin-otc is still trading :)
 196 2011-05-03 01:02:47 <fabianhjr> noagendamarket: yeah, I know, though it is still centralized. ;)
 197 2011-05-03 01:03:03 <fabianhjr> Even if it is a WOT it relies on a central server to keep track of stuff.
 198 2011-05-03 01:03:18 <EvanR> jaybny: #bitcoin-otc
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 209 2011-05-03 01:17:19 <ntosme2> anyone running multiple gpus on one board, how do you instruct i.e. phoenix to use a particular card? I tried with DISPLAY=:0 or :1 and with -d1 or -d2
 210 2011-05-03 01:17:32 <ntosme2> right now they try to share a card
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 212 2011-05-03 01:18:54 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: btw, no, that'd be :0.0 and :0.1
 213 2011-05-03 01:19:10 <ntosme2> ah...I'll try that
 214 2011-05-03 01:19:15 <Diablo-D3> and I dunno about pheonix but...
 215 2011-05-03 01:19:19 <Diablo-D3> mine uses all gpus :D
 216 2011-05-03 01:22:11 <benlake> fabianhjr: cool, my first concern seems to be under discussion in the brainstorming section, issue #3
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 218 2011-05-03 01:22:50 <fabianhjr> benlake: I beg your pardon, what in specific are you talking about? I got mnay vars under #3. :P
 219 2011-05-03 01:23:18 <benlake> management/security of your "wallet"
 220 2011-05-03 01:23:40 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: what kind of cpu power is needed? does the cpu do anything except poll the gpu?
 221 2011-05-03 01:24:09 <ntosme2> maybe my problem is not having the horsepower to support 2 cards
 222 2011-05-03 01:24:35 <benlake> when I first installed the client and magically had this "address" I had no understanding of its value. Then when I did, I realized there was no clean process for safeguarding it... so I wanted to see if it was being discussed
 223 2011-05-03 01:24:51 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: it doesnt really require any cpu power
 224 2011-05-03 01:25:01 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: although nvidia drivers are fucked up
 225 2011-05-03 01:25:03 <luke-jr> benlake: huh?
 226 2011-05-03 01:25:07 <Diablo-D3> they on their own chew cpu time
 227 2011-05-03 01:25:18 <Diablo-D3> although it seems to just eat it all, it doesnt really require any
 228 2011-05-03 01:25:19 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: this is with 2x 5770
 229 2011-05-03 01:25:28 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: should work fine
 230 2011-05-03 01:25:34 <ntosme2> hmm
 231 2011-05-03 01:25:35 <alkor> Can bitcoinj be used to send and receive coins?
 232 2011-05-03 01:25:41 <benlake> luke-jr: what are you huh'ing?
 233 2011-05-03 01:25:58 <luke-jr> benlake: what "value"?
 234 2011-05-03 01:26:28 <benlake> the fact that if I have 30BTC sent to me and delete the directory the client uses I no longer have 30BTC
 235 2011-05-03 01:26:40 <luke-jr> so your wallet's value
 236 2011-05-03 01:26:54 <benlake> right. Is all tied up in that data dir
 237 2011-05-03 01:26:57 <luke-jr> that would seem obvious
 238 2011-05-03 01:27:10 <Diablo-D3> benlake: this is wy you backup your wallet.dat
 239 2011-05-03 01:27:19 <luke-jr> well, that's why you backup everything
 240 2011-05-03 01:27:22 <B0g4r7> Addresses do not need to be protected.
 241 2011-05-03 01:27:32 <luke-jr> only a fool doesn't backup important data
 242 2011-05-03 01:27:33 <benlake> B0g4r7: I get that... 
 243 2011-05-03 01:27:37 <disq> benlake: even, use two separate wallets, and keep your 'savings' stored away offline
 244 2011-05-03 01:27:40 <benlake> oh man.
 245 2011-05-03 01:27:44 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: although I wouldnt do it (and you cant do it due to lack of a board that supports it), in theory, an Atom could run 4 5970 and not use more than 5-10% of the cpu
 246 2011-05-03 01:27:46 <B0g4r7> Ppl put their addresses in their sigs.
 247 2011-05-03 01:28:21 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: I think I found my issue - only one card listed in xorg.conf
 248 2011-05-03 01:28:27 <benlake> I am a developer. So I understand your responses, but I am going to try and convey a first time users experience
 249 2011-05-03 01:28:49 <B0g4r7> You could keep your wallet on one of those encrypted USB flash drives with the thumbprint scanner.
 250 2011-05-03 01:28:55 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: you forgot to sudo aticonfig --initial --adapter=all --f
 251 2011-05-03 01:29:32 <benlake> B0g4r7: dude, I get that. I'm not asking for solutions. I simply wanted to see what the discussion was around solving the problem in a user-friendly manner for the rest of the population.
 252 2011-05-03 01:30:07 <benlake> I'll try approaching the topic again later. Perhaps differently.
 253 2011-05-03 01:30:39 <B0g4r7> I can't say I've seen discussion about that really.
 254 2011-05-03 01:30:54 <B0g4r7> It's a valid question though.
 255 2011-05-03 01:31:13 <benlake> seems to be being discussion on github, issue #3
 256 2011-05-03 01:31:23 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: actually, I only see one card in lspci...wtf
 257 2011-05-03 01:31:39 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: wtf, sure the second one is plugged in right?
 258 2011-05-03 01:32:07 <ntosme2> ya, it's on with fan running and getting hot
 259 2011-05-03 01:32:24 <Diablo-D3> well wtf.
 260 2011-05-03 01:32:26 <ntosme2> both work, I just swapped around cards a minute ago
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 262 2011-05-03 01:32:29 <B0g4r7> I run using the "CPU eating" driver version.
 263 2011-05-03 01:32:41 <B0g4r7> On an i7 it consumes about half the cpu power available.
 264 2011-05-03 01:32:50 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: with what?
 265 2011-05-03 01:32:51 <B0g4r7> For 4 gpus.
 266 2011-05-03 01:32:59 <B0g4r7> poclbm
 267 2011-05-03 01:33:03 <Diablo-D3> no I meant
 268 2011-05-03 01:33:05 <Diablo-D3> nvidia? ati?
 269 2011-05-03 01:33:10 <B0g4r7> 2 5970s.
 270 2011-05-03 01:33:16 <Diablo-D3> only half? lawlz
 271 2011-05-03 01:33:21 <Diablo-D3> if it was mine, it'd be all
 272 2011-05-03 01:33:27 <Diablo-D3> dont use sdk 2.2 or 2.3 for this reason
 273 2011-05-03 01:33:30 <Diablo-D3> either use 2.1 or 2.4
 274 2011-05-03 01:33:35 <B0g4r7> I dunno what I have really.
 275 2011-05-03 01:33:45 <B0g4r7> Is switching to another as simple as running the installer?
 276 2011-05-03 01:33:52 <B0g4r7> (on win7)
 277 2011-05-03 01:33:53 <Diablo-D3> on windows?
 278 2011-05-03 01:33:55 <Diablo-D3> heh
 279 2011-05-03 01:34:03 <Diablo-D3> uninstall the sdk from add/remove
 280 2011-05-03 01:34:14 <Diablo-D3> reboot
 281 2011-05-03 01:34:15 <Diablo-D3> then
 282 2011-05-03 01:34:28 <Diablo-D3> download either 11.4 and no sdk (and tell it to install the runtime when you install it)
 283 2011-05-03 01:34:52 <Diablo-D3> or download between 10.9 and 10.11 WITHOUT the runtime (some of them had optional +runtime installers) and install sdk 2.1
 284 2011-05-03 01:35:04 <Diablo-D3> and its usually a fpita to roll back drivers on windows
 285 2011-05-03 01:35:19 <B0g4r7> ATI Stream SDK v2 Developer, version 2.3.0.0.
 286 2011-05-03 01:35:27 <Diablo-D3> yeah, its 2.3, dont use it
 287 2011-05-03 01:35:38 <Diablo-D3> if you intend on gaming, just go straight to 11.4
 288 2011-05-03 01:35:40 <B0g4r7> Going to 2.4 seems to make sense.
 289 2011-05-03 01:35:43 <Diablo-D3> with the instructions I gave
 290 2011-05-03 01:35:57 <B0g4r7> 'k
 291 2011-05-03 01:35:58 <Diablo-D3> you lose like 10-15% of your mash by not using 2.1, but meh
 292 2011-05-03 01:35:58 <B0g4r7> thx.
 293 2011-05-03 01:36:04 <B0g4r7> o rly...
 294 2011-05-03 01:36:05 <Diablo-D3> *mhash
 295 2011-05-03 01:36:22 <Diablo-D3> 2.1 doesnt seem to work on post-11.1 windows drivers.
 296 2011-05-03 01:36:37 <Diablo-D3> it does work on linux though, oddly enough
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 298 2011-05-03 01:37:13 <B0g4r7> So I'll want to get 10.something to run sdk 2.1?
 299 2011-05-03 01:37:23 <B0g4r7> 10.11
 300 2011-05-03 01:37:26 <Diablo-D3> 10.9 through 10.11 (the installers WITHOUT the sdk)
 301 2011-05-03 01:37:40 <B0g4r7> aight
 302 2011-05-03 01:37:50 <Diablo-D3> its easier to just use linux honestly
 303 2011-05-03 01:38:14 <B0g4r7> Yeah, that's probably the way to go with it really.
 304 2011-05-03 01:38:39 <B0g4r7> I told myself I'd be gaming on it, but in 3 months I've not done so once.
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 316 2011-05-03 01:54:41 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r1dd4f40afce4 gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoin/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Bugfix: fix DT_TEXTREL warning for GCC 4.5 in everything except 0.3.19 (patch fails to apply) http://tinyurl.com/6274kd6
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 321 2011-05-03 02:00:30 <xelister> anyone around?
 322 2011-05-03 02:00:33 <xelister> /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
 323 2011-05-03 02:00:34 <xelister> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so:   ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
 324 2011-05-03 02:00:56 <xelister> and yet    aticonfig --initial -f           --->     "Fail to link to fglrx-libglx.so, please check whether driver is installed correctly"    wtf???
 325 2011-05-03 02:03:53 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: ok so your miner sees both cards and I'm using ati-stream 2.1 but the hash rate is 200 when it should be ~320
 326 2011-05-03 02:04:21 <Diablo-D3> xelister: what LD path?
 327 2011-05-03 02:04:48 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: what driver, what os
 328 2011-05-03 02:04:53 LIghtRIder is now known as afk!~LightRide@unaffiliated/lightrider|LightRider
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 331 2011-05-03 02:06:35 <ntosme2> drivers 10.11, OS Gentoo
 332 2011-05-03 02:06:56 davex__ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
 333 2011-05-03 02:07:15 <Diablo-D3> and you're comparing it to what?
 334 2011-05-03 02:08:58 <ntosme2> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/ati-stream-sdk/lib/x86_64
 335 2011-05-03 02:09:12 <ntosme2> comparing a single card running in poclbm
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 337 2011-05-03 02:09:31 <Diablo-D3> poclbm WITH bfi_int on?
 338 2011-05-03 02:09:37 <ntosme2> no
 339 2011-05-03 02:09:56 <ntosme2> I get ~140mhash without bfi_int
 340 2011-05-03 02:10:10 <Diablo-D3> hrrm
 341 2011-05-03 02:10:22 <ntosme2> so I'd expect almost 300
 342 2011-05-03 02:10:28 <gjs278> I got 11.3, and 2.1 on my opencl
 343 2011-05-03 02:10:31 <gjs278> what card are you ntosme2
 344 2011-05-03 02:10:43 <ntosme2> 2x 5770
 345 2011-05-03 02:10:47 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: 150 seems high for a 5770
 346 2011-05-03 02:11:04 CFSworks has joined
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 348 2011-05-03 02:11:12 <gjs278> no
 349 2011-05-03 02:11:14 <ntosme2> well I'm showing 133652/135059 khash/sec
 350 2011-05-03 02:11:16 <gjs278> 5770 can do higher than 150
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 352 2011-05-03 02:11:27 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: and my miner lists both gpus?
 353 2011-05-03 02:11:32 <ntosme2> yes
 354 2011-05-03 02:11:41 <ntosme2> [5/3/11 5:00:58 AM] Added Juniper (#1) (10 CU, local work size of 64)
 355 2011-05-03 02:11:41 <ntosme2> [5/3/11 5:01:02 AM] Added Juniper (#2) (10 CU, local work size of 64)
 356 2011-05-03 02:11:46 <Diablo-D3> try fiddling with -w 128 or -w 256
 357 2011-05-03 02:11:53 <gjs278> the new new poclbm can do 180 I believe
 358 2011-05-03 02:12:44 <gjs278> my friend has 3 of them going
 359 2011-05-03 02:13:04 <Diablo-D3> thats with bfi_int, gjs278
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 363 2011-05-03 02:13:11 <gjs278> yeah
 364 2011-05-03 02:13:16 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: ah! thank you very much
 365 2011-05-03 02:13:27 <ntosme2> now I'm getting 325mhash
 366 2011-05-03 02:13:38 <gjs278> not using bfi_int is derp with poclbm
 367 2011-05-03 02:13:49 <Diablo-D3> meh, I swear to god Im just going to put -w back to max
 368 2011-05-03 02:14:00 <ntosme2> now to condense this os down to a 1GB flash stick
 369 2011-05-03 02:14:30 <Diablo-D3> I can already imagine the commit message
 370 2011-05-03 02:14:34 <Diablo-D3> "fixing AMD derp forever"
 371 2011-05-03 02:14:35 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: well at least that wasn't my initial problem, my bios was being retarded
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 375 2011-05-03 02:15:50 <ntosme2> this is a good test of my fanless 80+ gold PSU, so far so good
 376 2011-05-03 02:16:17 <ntosme2> it's still barely warm with just convection
 377 2011-05-03 02:16:26 <retinal> I'd be wary if you intend to keep that on 24/7
 378 2011-05-03 02:16:34 <B0g4r7> Efficiency ftw.
 379 2011-05-03 02:16:45 <ntosme2> I've been running it with 1 gpu for ~3 months
 380 2011-05-03 02:17:23 <retinal> I personally wouldn't be worried unless it were at 80%+ load
 381 2011-05-03 02:18:05 <ntosme2> ya it's at ~270W
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 383 2011-05-03 02:19:36 <B0g4r7> What's it's load rating?
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 385 2011-05-03 02:20:43 <ntosme2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151097   400W
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 387 2011-05-03 02:23:49 <B0g4r7> Cool.
 388 2011-05-03 02:24:00 <B0g4r7> I have this one:
 389 2011-05-03 02:24:01 <B0g4r7> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371039
 390 2011-05-03 02:24:06 <B0g4r7> running 2 5970s.
 391 2011-05-03 02:24:09 <B0g4r7> Soon to be 3.
 392 2011-05-03 02:24:29 <B0g4r7> Well, almost that one.  Mine doesn't have the knobs.
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 394 2011-05-03 02:24:57 <ntosme2> I guess that's a reasonable power rating for 3
 395 2011-05-03 02:25:58 <ntosme2> I wish people on craigslist were selling 5970s lol, I really don't want to pay retail
 396 2011-05-03 02:26:48 <ntosme2> I've gotten about a 30% discount buying from people locally, also no shipping
 397 2011-05-03 02:27:40 <gjs278> ntosme2 you can get them from hardocp for $400
 398 2011-05-03 02:28:43 <ntosme2> do they have an online store?
 399 2011-05-03 02:28:49 <ntosme2> email sales?
 400 2011-05-03 02:29:33 <gjs278> nah
 401 2011-05-03 02:29:35 <gjs278> forums
 402 2011-05-03 02:29:39 <gjs278> just trading with people
 403 2011-05-03 02:29:44 <ntosme2> ah ok
 404 2011-05-03 02:30:57 <luke-jr> http://paulspontifications.blogspot.com/2011/04/patent-5893120-reduced-to-mathematical.html
 405 2011-05-03 02:32:10 <ntosme2> is $200 reasonable for 5870s?
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 407 2011-05-03 02:33:23 <gjs278> sure. I've seen $175 at the lowest
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 409 2011-05-03 02:33:30 <gjs278> $200 is a decent price
 410 2011-05-03 02:33:46 <gjs278> they were retail $180 at one point with rebates
 411 2011-05-03 02:33:49 <gjs278> but gl finding them now
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 413 2011-05-03 02:34:20 <ntosme2> I see a few on ebay for around that
 414 2011-05-03 02:34:22 <TheKid> ahhhh
 415 2011-05-03 02:34:27 <TheKid> newegg is all ugly all the sudden
 416 2011-05-03 02:34:30 <TheKid> what the fuck
 417 2011-05-03 02:34:44 <ntosme2> looks normal here
 418 2011-05-03 02:35:16 <TheKid> there's two gigantic columns of tan on the sides
 419 2011-05-03 02:35:33 <ntosme2> do the ati cards automatically downclock when they get hot?
 420 2011-05-03 02:35:51 <TheKid> yes
 421 2011-05-03 02:36:23 <ntosme2> great, I'm heating my closet enough to slow the hash rate lol
 422 2011-05-03 02:37:00 <gjs278> umm
 423 2011-05-03 02:37:05 <gjs278> if you're on linux
 424 2011-05-03 02:37:09 <gjs278> they will not downclock
 425 2011-05-03 02:37:32 <gjs278> I've never seen my card downclock even when it accidentally hit 89c once
 426 2011-05-03 02:38:17 <ntosme2> no? they seem to slow down when I close the closet door and it gets to 90F in there
 427 2011-05-03 02:40:06 <TheKid> 89c is almost at the VRM throttling temp
 428 2011-05-03 02:40:09 <TheKid> 120c
 429 2011-05-03 02:40:15 <TheKid> at least for my cards
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 432 2011-05-03 02:41:06 <gjs278> you'll need to speak in C
 433 2011-05-03 02:41:13 <gjs278> I dont know F when ti comes to cards
 434 2011-05-03 02:41:14 <ntosme2> would water cooling be worth it for maybe 10 cards?
 435 2011-05-03 02:41:21 <gjs278> lol
 436 2011-05-03 02:41:23 <gjs278> no
 437 2011-05-03 02:41:34 <gjs278> you'd have to watercool each system
 438 2011-05-03 02:41:43 <TheKid> ntosme2: not at all
 439 2011-05-03 02:41:43 <gjs278> so 3 systems worse case
 440 2011-05-03 02:42:05 <TheKid> The only time water cooling is efficient is when you have a big fishtank of mineral oil
 441 2011-05-03 02:42:10 <TheKid> and you submerge the cards in that
 442 2011-05-03 02:42:25 <xelister> yes the fuck
 443 2011-05-03 02:42:40 * xelister installed next r5970, like a boss (after long hours =)
 444 2011-05-03 02:42:55 <ntosme2> I'm not seeing the need for multiple pumps/systems
 445 2011-05-03 02:43:51 <TheKid> You'd need one bigass radiator
 446 2011-05-03 02:44:05 <TheKid> the biggest problem is the cooling block for each gpu/vrm set. Those don't come cheap.
 447 2011-05-03 02:44:06 <ntosme2> I'm thinking a large water pump and a standard water block for each
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 449 2011-05-03 02:44:15 <ntosme2> I can make them actually
 450 2011-05-03 02:44:29 <TheKid> oh
 451 2011-05-03 02:44:31 <TheKid> that is impressive
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 453 2011-05-03 02:44:33 <ntosme2> I have a CNC mill and the necessary software
 454 2011-05-03 02:44:39 <TheKid> if you can do it cheaply, then that might be worthwhile
 455 2011-05-03 02:45:02 <TheKid> you might consider offering your services to people for btc :)
 456 2011-05-03 02:45:12 <ntosme2> hmmmmmm...indeed
 457 2011-05-03 02:45:30 <plato> hey guys, I edited nanotube's gpgsigner.py script to work in python 3. i would like to commit it to git and issue a pull request to nanotube. I can't figure out what I need to do next
 458 2011-05-03 02:45:45 <plato> I have forked nanotube's repo, and I have installed git on my system, and I have the script available
 459 2011-05-03 02:46:57 <plato> i haven't linked my github repo to my comp's git install at all
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 461 2011-05-03 02:52:31 <nanotube> plato: you need to create a branch on github, and push your changes to github. then you can submit a pull request.
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 464 2011-05-03 02:58:06 <TheKid> ArtForz: you ther?
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 467 2011-05-03 03:02:17 <apache> I'd like to personally thank the teamof dev who brought us bit coin....MAD RESPECT 2 U!
 468 2011-05-03 03:02:41 <xelister> apache:  :)
 469 2011-05-03 03:02:42 <apache> this is the future.
 470 2011-05-03 03:02:49 <xelister> apache: yeap we hope so
 471 2011-05-03 03:06:27 <_ape> do you guys know if the msi 790fx-gd70 can take 4*5870 without extenders?
 472 2011-05-03 03:06:45 <_ape> trying to determine if i should use 2 cards per system or 4
 473 2011-05-03 03:07:02 <_ape> if i have to buy extenders and stick a bunch of extra fans to run 4 it doesnt seem worth it for the minor power savings
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 475 2011-05-03 03:07:10 <tcatm> _ape: it might work if you add powerful fans
 476 2011-05-03 03:07:14 <Diablo-D3> apache: more like one person, satoshi.
 477 2011-05-03 03:07:21 <Riking> fans?
 478 2011-05-03 03:07:26 <_ape> i think i will just go with 2 per box and stick with cheaper psu/case/mobo
 479 2011-05-03 03:07:26 <fabianhjr> _ape: buy instead 2x 5970s
 480 2011-05-03 03:07:29 <Riking> i like space.
 481 2011-05-03 03:07:38 <_ape> i want to get 5970s but they are really hard to find at decent prices atm
 482 2011-05-03 03:07:59 <_ape> ive seen a handful on forums/ebay used but i dont want to risk one with no warranty when its $400 heh
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 486 2011-05-03 03:09:10 <plato> _ape: that might get you a steep discount
 487 2011-05-03 03:09:15 <Riking> bah, mibbit.
 488 2011-05-03 03:09:47 <_ape> i will definitely look out for 5970s to add once i get the first 2 machines going i think
 489 2011-05-03 03:10:08 alkor has joined
 490 2011-05-03 03:10:12 <_ape> i should be able to use one of those $14 pci=>pcie converters to add another card in each box
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 492 2011-05-03 03:10:22 <B0g4r7> ebay is $700+ anymore.
 493 2011-05-03 03:10:39 <_ape> if the power use doesnt go too high heh
 494 2011-05-03 03:10:54 <grbgout> plato: how goes the trip?
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 498 2011-05-03 03:11:05 <plato> grbgout: pretty good
 499 2011-05-03 03:11:13 <grbgout> what state are you in now?
 500 2011-05-03 03:11:23 <plato> i keep meaning to edit some video footage together and write up some posts but i get sidetracked every time
 501 2011-05-03 03:11:26 <plato> still alabama
 502 2011-05-03 03:11:37 <plato> i will probably leave in a couple days for new orleans
 503 2011-05-03 03:11:44 <grbgout> nice
 504 2011-05-03 03:11:55 <grbgout> My parents are visiting Alabama this coming weekend.
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 506 2011-05-03 03:12:07 <AAA_awright> noagendamarket: Ping
 507 2011-05-03 03:13:29 <noagendamarket> hey
 508 2011-05-03 03:13:32 <noagendamarket> wassup?
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 516 2011-05-03 03:26:02 <sacarlson> my new multi chain client will soon be adding headers to gennewaddress and will use the header to pick what config file to use WEEDS_mouAkvGktCQ6m1VoPS6hVwTi4dE7HU7KDC for example
 517 2011-05-03 03:26:27 <Netsniper> i got .99 bitcoins!
 518 2011-05-03 03:26:56 <B0g4r7> Hit up the faucet!
 519 2011-05-03 03:27:23 <Netsniper> i did last night!
 520 2011-05-03 03:27:39 <Netsniper> it gave me 230 million coins!
 521 2011-05-03 03:27:58 <B0g4r7> jackpot
 522 2011-05-03 03:27:58 <Netsniper> jk
 523 2011-05-03 03:28:29 <B0g4r7> I was gonna say, you must've spent 'em awful quick.
 524 2011-05-03 03:28:53 wolfspraul has joined
 525 2011-05-03 03:29:12 <Netsniper> yeah if i had that many i'd buy a mclaren and a garage to keep it in
 526 2011-05-03 03:29:20 <Netsniper> within 24 hours
 527 2011-05-03 03:29:31 <B0g4r7> If I had that I'd buy an OC-3.
 528 2011-05-03 03:29:42 <Netsniper> yeah, i'd prolly get that later
 529 2011-05-03 03:29:54 <Netsniper> whats that run a month?
 530 2011-05-03 03:30:08 <B0g4r7> A t3 is maybe 15k/mo.
 531 2011-05-03 03:30:13 <B0g4r7> So more than that.
 532 2011-05-03 03:30:19 <Netsniper> i had a quote of $12,000/month or some shit back in 1998 for fiber
 533 2011-05-03 03:30:28 <Netsniper> yeah
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 535 2011-05-03 03:30:58 <Netsniper> i miss the days of local isp's
 536 2011-05-03 03:31:18 <B0g4r7> I was real happy when I was subscribed to one.
 537 2011-05-03 03:31:27 <Netsniper> same
 538 2011-05-03 03:32:09 <EPiSKiNG> god damn.... mtgox down again
 539 2011-05-03 03:32:20 <EPiSKiNG> no wonder the uptrend has ceased
 540 2011-05-03 03:32:24 <EPiSKiNG> no one can trade
 541 2011-05-03 03:32:25 <EPiSKiNG> lol
 542 2011-05-03 03:32:38 <B0g4r7> That's sure to put some fear into the market.
 543 2011-05-03 03:32:55 <B0g4r7> The possibility of inaccessible funds for who knows how long.
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 545 2011-05-03 03:33:03 <luke-jr> Bitcoin Market is getting some activity lately
 546 2011-05-03 03:33:13 <EPiSKiNG> why doesn't mtgox have redundant servers?
 547 2011-05-03 03:33:22 <luke-jr> $3.39 there
 548 2011-05-03 03:33:28 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: wouldn't help
 549 2011-05-03 03:33:42 <B0g4r7> A ddos can knock out 12 IPs as easily as 1.
 550 2011-05-03 03:33:48 <B0g4r7> Well, not as esaily, but it still can.
 551 2011-05-03 03:33:53 <luke-jr> besides, IIRC MtGox already has 3 servers
 552 2011-05-03 03:34:13 <B0g4r7> I heard that it was a SYN flood.
 553 2011-05-03 03:34:20 <luke-jr> o rly
 554 2011-05-03 03:34:25 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: turn on syn cookies
 555 2011-05-03 03:34:41 <Diablo-D3> he already did
 556 2011-05-03 03:34:41 <B0g4r7> I wonder, does ipv6 offer any advantages for this situation?
 557 2011-05-03 03:34:52 <B0g4r7> Yeah, I mentioned syncookies earlier.
 558 2011-05-03 03:35:42 <MagicalTux> [12:29:14] <luke-jr> MagicalTux: turn on syn cookies <- it's already on
 559 2011-05-03 03:36:01 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: point the DNS at BTCex servers
 560 2011-05-03 03:36:08 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: I thought about that one :p
 561 2011-05-03 03:36:17 <EPiSKiNG> MagicalTux=mtgox?
 562 2011-05-03 03:36:24 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: or better yet, the botnet controller
 563 2011-05-03 03:36:30 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: tell me his ip
 564 2011-05-03 03:36:37 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: that's not too difficult
 565 2011-05-03 03:36:55 <luke-jr> scan all the attacking IPs for port 80 with contact info
 566 2011-05-03 03:37:02 <luke-jr> contact the admin and get him to cooperate in a trace
 567 2011-05-03 03:37:05 <luke-jr> voila
 568 2011-05-03 03:37:30 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: could you help there? I posted a list of ~7000 ips already, but more busy having mtgox back up than tracking the attack
 569 2011-05-03 03:37:45 <luke-jr> where's the list again?
 570 2011-05-03 03:37:52 <B0g4r7> 7000 IPs huh.
 571 2011-05-03 03:37:58 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381851/
 572 2011-05-03 03:38:03 <B0g4r7> Can you block just those, or do more rapidly pop up?
 573 2011-05-03 03:38:12 <MagicalTux> B0g4r7: ?
 574 2011-05-03 03:38:22 <luke-jr> although tbh, I do rather think it helps Bitcoin for MtGox to have all this downtime… :P
 575 2011-05-03 03:38:27 <B0g4r7> Could you blacklist those 7000 IPs?
 576 2011-05-03 03:38:36 <MagicalTux> B0g4r7: it's already the case
 577 2011-05-03 03:38:43 <MagicalTux> but they keep adding more ips
 578 2011-05-03 03:38:52 <B0g4r7> mmm
 579 2011-05-03 03:39:01 <EPiSKiNG> block all but those who were there previous to the attack?
 580 2011-05-03 03:39:09 <B0g4r7> hah
 581 2011-05-03 03:39:19 <B0g4r7> whitelist
 582 2011-05-03 03:39:49 <B0g4r7> Do the zombies appear to have any sort of signatue you can use to automatically detect (and automatically block) them?
 583 2011-05-03 03:39:53 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: I presume you know Nihongo?
 584 2011-05-03 03:39:53 TheKid has left ()
 585 2011-05-03 03:40:07 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: yep
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 587 2011-05-03 03:40:11 <EPiSKiNG> maybe it's the US government trying to take it down... MtGox is the new ultra-villan
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 590 2011-05-03 03:40:28 <EPiSKiNG> haha
 591 2011-05-03 03:40:30 <B0g4r7> us.gov would take the domain.
 592 2011-05-03 03:41:02 <B0g4r7> It'sa probably paypal.
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 595 2011-05-03 03:42:09 <EPiSKiNG> interesting
 596 2011-05-03 03:42:28 <B0g4r7> mt, if you would care to send me a tcpdump log showing some of the attacker activity I wouldn't mind looking at it to look for a signature or somesuch.
 597 2011-05-03 03:42:40 <B0g4r7> (or wireshark capture, same thing)
 598 2011-05-03 03:43:32 phantomcircuit has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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 600 2011-05-03 03:46:20 <gjs278> honestly, blackhole any attempts at connecting for the next 15 minutes at the load balancer level.
 601 2011-05-03 03:46:28 <gjs278> then unban gribble
 602 2011-05-03 03:46:31 <gjs278> and we'll be good to go
 603 2011-05-03 03:46:53 <gjs278> I just won't connect during the honeypot stage and be fine
 604 2011-05-03 03:47:25 <B0g4r7> A proper DDoS will hold IPs in reserve for days.
 605 2011-05-03 03:47:50 <Diablo-D3> a proper ddos will use better means.
 606 2011-05-03 03:48:11 <gjs278> a proper ddos is always chinese and russians so it's satoshi
 607 2011-05-03 03:49:02 <xelister> gjs278: hm?
 608 2011-05-03 03:49:25 <gjs278> ban everyone, sort the bodies out later
 609 2011-05-03 03:50:05 <tcatm> hrm
 610 2011-05-03 03:51:00 <tcatm> make the target urls static html files with javascript redirect to a new url with the script. ban every IP that requests that page without accessing the static file first. could this work?
 611 2011-05-03 03:51:27 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: easy to work around.
 612 2011-05-03 03:51:29 <gjs278> well it depends if they are just pinging or actively viewing the website
 613 2011-05-03 03:51:42 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: and even doing that kind of shit costs.
 614 2011-05-03 03:51:56 <tcatm> Diablo-D3: static files are free
 615 2011-05-03 03:52:05 <Diablo-D3> not if I just keep slamming your static file server.
 616 2011-05-03 03:52:08 <gjs278> eventually, static files arent free
 617 2011-05-03 03:52:35 <gjs278> in all seriousness though, there's no way in hell I'm ever using mtusd
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 620 2011-05-03 03:53:01 <tcatm> keep them in memory, don't log access to them to disk.
 621 2011-05-03 03:53:24 <Diablo-D3> you're just trying to varnish the problem
 622 2011-05-03 03:53:29 <Diablo-D3> I can still bust varnish.
 623 2011-05-03 03:53:42 <an20> cant you just keep a list of IP's that makes it past the login.  then during a ddos only allow IP's from prior days that were able to login.  I know the ddos uses spoofed IP's but it wont spoof very many ip's that are allowed
 624 2011-05-03 03:53:57 <Diablo-D3> an20: requires upstream participation
 625 2011-05-03 03:54:02 <an20> exactly
 626 2011-05-03 03:54:07 <Diablo-D3> and syncookies does that at an IP level anyhow
 627 2011-05-03 03:54:07 <an20> zebra null rout
 628 2011-05-03 03:54:57 <Diablo-D3> it makes new connections harder while letting through existing ones
 629 2011-05-03 03:55:01 <B0g4r7> To permanently combat a distrtibuted attack, we need a distributed service.
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 631 2011-05-03 03:55:06 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: yes but
 632 2011-05-03 03:55:14 <Diablo-D3> to combat a distributed attack... you just ignore it.
 633 2011-05-03 03:55:17 <an20> magitux is not google
 634 2011-05-03 03:55:27 <Diablo-D3> I already told MagicalTux to move to RX
 635 2011-05-03 03:55:32 <Diablo-D3> he needs to listen to my advice.
 636 2011-05-03 03:55:39 <gjs278> what's rx
 637 2011-05-03 03:55:46 <Diablo-D3> rapidxen
 638 2011-05-03 03:55:52 <MagicalTux> Diablo-D3: moving stuff is not "that" easy
 639 2011-05-03 03:55:55 <Diablo-D3> the only company thats really capable of dealing with this.
 640 2011-05-03 03:56:06 <B0g4r7> I'm talking about a trading protocol that runs on the existing bitcoin p2p network.
 641 2011-05-03 03:56:08 <gjs278> moving stuff couldn't have taken longer than this ddos
 642 2011-05-03 03:56:08 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: setup three new VPS, move shit, make sure it works, change DNS.
 643 2011-05-03 03:56:13 <an20> I have a feeling RX doesnt want this type of traffic
 644 2011-05-03 03:56:21 <Diablo-D3> an20: RX laughs at this kind of traffic
 645 2011-05-03 03:56:36 <Diablo-D3> RX users have been hit with 100gbit floods and ... well, no one actually noticed.
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 647 2011-05-03 03:56:52 <an20> this sounds inflated
 648 2011-05-03 03:56:53 <Diablo-D3> service wasnt interrupted, and the automatic stuff kicked in
 649 2011-05-03 03:56:55 <gjs278> this is a pretty good service
 650 2011-05-03 03:57:00 <Diablo-D3> an20: nope
 651 2011-05-03 03:57:06 <MagicalTux> [12:50:57] <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: setup three new VPS, move shit, make sure it works, change DNS. <- how do they protect from a large botnet?
 652 2011-05-03 03:57:09 <Diablo-D3> and like 2 years ago I was hit with 40gbit/sec from the /b/tard army
 653 2011-05-03 03:57:10 <B0g4r7> Sounds like win.
 654 2011-05-03 03:57:13 <Diablo-D3> because I was running a chan
 655 2011-05-03 03:57:19 <gjs278> lol
 656 2011-05-03 03:57:24 <Diablo-D3> like goggles, it did nothing
 657 2011-05-03 03:57:56 <gjs278> they probably don't let that shit in the first place, that or their vps have enough bandiwdth to not care
 658 2011-05-03 03:57:56 <Diablo-D3> I didnt even know about it until I checked my bw graph later on
 659 2011-05-03 03:58:02 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: both.
 660 2011-05-03 03:58:22 <Diablo-D3> the guy who owns it is almost a pioneer in ddos mitigation
 661 2011-05-03 03:58:28 <Diablo-D3> he knows more about it than pretty much anyone
 662 2011-05-03 03:58:32 <gjs278> is it igor
 663 2011-05-03 03:58:36 <an20> what type of routers are they using?
 664 2011-05-03 03:58:59 <Diablo-D3> an20: not cisco. hes not a noob.
 665 2011-05-03 03:59:13 <an20> my guess it is some kind of hybrid foundry setup
 666 2011-05-03 03:59:31 <B0g4r7> Quantum routers.
 667 2011-05-03 03:59:35 <Diablo-D3> he has some foundry gear
 668 2011-05-03 03:59:36 <an20> lol
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 670 2011-05-03 03:59:40 <B0g4r7> They route to all potential destination IPs simultaneiously.
 671 2011-05-03 03:59:44 <Diablo-D3> and some of that other company that I think brocade bought
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 673 2011-05-03 04:00:52 <an20> well, if the russian maffia is involved I would not want to mess with them. poor Tux might have to go into hiding
 674 2011-05-03 04:01:03 <Diablo-D3> dude, fuck the russian mofia
 675 2011-05-03 04:01:06 <Diablo-D3> they cant do shit
 676 2011-05-03 04:01:12 <gjs278> that's because of igor
 677 2011-05-03 04:01:14 <an20> had a friedn selling cars to them, and for 10K anybody can turn up missing
 678 2011-05-03 04:01:31 <Diablo-D3> the owner of RX laughs at russians
 679 2011-05-03 04:01:36 <an20> dude, there are these groups that buy nice cars from the usa, and they are for real
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 681 2011-05-03 04:01:58 <forrestv> B0g4r7, i was thinking of something similar
 682 2011-05-03 04:01:59 <Diablo-D3> dude, anyone can buy "nice cars" from the US.
 683 2011-05-03 04:02:15 <gjs278> move to rx
 684 2011-05-03 04:02:18 <sacarlson> what if he just changes the port he uses?
 685 2011-05-03 04:02:19 <gjs278> install nginx for everything static
 686 2011-05-03 04:02:24 <sacarlson> like 8080
 687 2011-05-03 04:02:25 <gjs278> proxy everything through nginx
 688 2011-05-03 04:02:25 <an20> they need to get them titled so they do it through dealers, its complicated
 689 2011-05-03 04:02:32 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: ... yes, and what, we type in port now? fuck that.
 690 2011-05-03 04:02:52 <Diablo-D3> only pansy runs from ddos
 691 2011-05-03 04:02:58 <Diablo-D3> I eat ddos for breakfast!
 692 2011-05-03 04:03:09 <Diablo-D3> and then have sensible lunch, need to keep weight down :,
 693 2011-05-03 04:03:11 <Diablo-D3> :<
 694 2011-05-03 04:03:17 <gjs278> install nginx
 695 2011-05-03 04:03:18 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: well at least as an option until he fixes the ddos sure what's so hard about adding :8080 at the end
 696 2011-05-03 04:03:25 <gjs278> igor eats ddos for breakfast
 697 2011-05-03 04:03:29 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: because bots just flood 8080.
 698 2011-05-03 04:03:44 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: igor must pump iron, ddos very filling
 699 2011-05-03 04:03:48 <forrestv> send coins to one global address with the liberty reserve name encoded in the tx somehow
 700 2011-05-03 04:03:53 <forrestv> no need for a website :p
 701 2011-05-03 04:04:08 <gjs278> I wish paypal just let bitcoin trading
 702 2011-05-03 04:04:12 <gjs278> that would make everything too easy
 703 2011-05-03 04:04:17 <Diablo-D3> I wish paypal would quit being the little girl.
 704 2011-05-03 04:04:33 <Diablo-D3> In soviet russia, you know what we do to the little girl.
 705 2011-05-03 04:04:35 <B0g4r7> paypal's probably behind the attack.
 706 2011-05-03 04:04:42 <gjs278> doubt it
 707 2011-05-03 04:04:44 <B0g4r7> It's certainly in their interest,
 708 2011-05-03 04:04:47 <Diablo-D3> IN SOVIET RUSSIA _YOU_ ARE THE LITTLE GIRL
 709 2011-05-03 04:04:51 <Diablo-D3> WA-HA HA HA HA HA
 710 2011-05-03 04:05:02 <gjs278> the technology from soviet russia doesnt get ddossed
 711 2011-05-03 04:05:04 <forrestv> bitcoin.local needs more participants
 712 2011-05-03 04:05:04 <gjs278> thats all they do
 713 2011-05-03 04:05:09 <xelister> Diablo-D3: there are CHK@ of that
 714 2011-05-03 04:05:10 <gjs278> they walk down the streets ddossing each other
 715 2011-05-03 04:05:20 <Diablo-D3> YOU ARE ALL READING THIS IN THE VOICE OF HEAVY WEAPONS GUY
 716 2011-05-03 04:05:33 <sacarlson> I see it comeing from mexico, india, KAZAKHSTAN, UKRAINE,COLOMBIA  so he can't use a method to block locations
 717 2011-05-03 04:05:52 <xelister> sacarlson: block all nigers fuckem \o/
 718 2011-05-03 04:05:59 <xelister> wait, that means also pollocks are blocked :<
 719 2011-05-03 04:06:01 <gjs278> he can
 720 2011-05-03 04:06:03 <gjs278> geoip
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 722 2011-05-03 04:06:16 <Diablo-D3> IN MOTHER RUSSIA, WE HAVE TWO KINDS OF ALCOHOLIC DRINK
 723 2011-05-03 04:06:19 <xelister> MagicalTux: you around?
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 725 2011-05-03 04:06:21 <Diablo-D3> VODKA, AND MORE VODKA.
 726 2011-05-03 04:06:29 <xelister> that reminds me
 727 2011-05-03 04:06:31 <xelister> how much will it cost
 728 2011-05-03 04:06:35 <MagicalTux> xelister: yes?
 729 2011-05-03 04:06:35 * Diablo-D3 PULLS OUT A SANDVICH
 730 2011-05-03 04:06:36 <sacarlson> gjs278: geoip is what I used to find those locations above
 731 2011-05-03 04:06:41 <Diablo-D3> OM NOM NOM NOM NOM
 732 2011-05-03 04:06:50 <xelister> to have Adobe Flash developers being beaten up by an legion of drunken russian soliders
 733 2011-05-03 04:06:58 <Diablo-D3> ONE PING ONLY
 734 2011-05-03 04:07:04 <Diablo-D3> wait, wrong russian stereotype
 735 2011-05-03 04:07:09 * xelister left-turns 180 deg
 736 2011-05-03 04:07:32 <Diablo-D3> american hardware, russian hardware, all made in taiwan!
 737 2011-05-03 04:07:43 <xelister> MagicalTux: jabber?
 738 2011-05-03 04:08:13 <B0g4r7> http://www.totallycrap.com/magazine/drunk_russian_guy_fall_off_a_tractor/
 739 2011-05-03 04:08:20 * xelister overflows Diablo-D3's location with a motherfucking 4 rurbotjet plane
 740 2011-05-03 04:08:43 * Diablo-D3 overflows xelister's mom.
 741 2011-05-03 04:09:04 * xelister overflows Diablo-D3's sister's face
 742 2011-05-03 04:09:11 <xelister> shit I cant spell.
 743 2011-05-03 04:09:13 <Diablo-D3> fail
 744 2011-05-03 04:09:17 <xelister> when drunk
 745 2011-05-03 04:09:37 <Diablo-D3> I go on irc and troll LIKE A BAWS
 746 2011-05-03 04:09:42 * Diablo-D3 promotes synergy, etc etc
 747 2011-05-03 04:09:46 <xelister> btw I have a video
 748 2011-05-03 04:10:05 <xelister> news report about why world trading should be moved to USD but in Tonall system
 749 2011-05-03 04:10:20 <luke-jr> that's self-contradictatory
 750 2011-05-03 04:10:24 * Diablo-D3 is also on a motherfucking boat
 751 2011-05-03 04:10:29 <xelister> http://tinyurl.com/yzfp8dt
 752 2011-05-03 04:11:02 <xelister> that dude is awesome.
 753 2011-05-03 04:11:08 <Diablo-D3> IN MOTHER RUSSIA, WE HAVE OWN VERSION OF YOUR... ROCK AND ROLL.
 754 2011-05-03 04:11:28 <gjs278> I only use software written by russians
 755 2011-05-03 04:11:29 <Diablo-D3> ahaha I was right, its trololololo
 756 2011-05-03 04:11:32 <gjs278> I've decided that right now
 757 2011-05-03 04:11:43 <gjs278> I'm uninstalling linux I want the russian version
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 759 2011-05-03 04:11:46 <Diablo-D3> IN MOTHER RUSSIA, OUR TERMINALS ARE GREEN AND BLACK, AND RUN THE MATRIX SCREEN SAVER
 760 2011-05-03 04:11:56 <luke-jr> Russians can make softwares?
 761 2011-05-03 04:12:08 <gjs278> russians make the best software
 762 2011-05-03 04:12:24 <Diablo-D3> IN MOTHER RUSSIA, WE JUST PIRATE THE SOFTWARE. SERIOUSLY. $250 FOR WINDOWS LICENSE? FUCK THAT.
 763 2011-05-03 04:12:32 <xelister> WINDOWS LICENSE
 764 2011-05-03 04:12:35 <xelister> wtf nigger please
 765 2011-05-03 04:12:39 <xelister> who uses windows
 766 2011-05-03 04:12:41 <gjs278> that's why they kidnapped Kaspersky
 767 2011-05-03 04:12:47 <gjs278> because his anti-virus was too good
 768 2011-05-03 04:12:49 <Diablo-D3> xelister: russians in mother russia, duh
 769 2011-05-03 04:13:16 <Netsniper> IN SOVIET TIMES, SOFTWARE PIRATE *YOU*
 770 2011-05-03 04:13:21 <gjs278> if I were russian I would use itunes to export munitions and missiles
 771 2011-05-03 04:13:26 <Diablo-D3> YOU KNOW, MEDIC ASKED ME THE OTHER DAY, WE CALL IT MOTHER RUSSIA, DA? BUT GERMANY IS THE FATHERLAND.
 772 2011-05-03 04:13:48 <B0g4r7> Der Vaterlund!
 773 2011-05-03 04:15:04 <Riking> HEIL HITLER
 774 2011-05-03 04:15:40 <B0g4r7> Fur den sieg!
 775 2011-05-03 04:15:41 <Diablo-D3> <MEDIC> NEIN!
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 783 2011-05-03 04:22:00 <forrestv> has anybody thought of transporting their computer's airflow to outside or the attic, to avoid heat?
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 785 2011-05-03 04:24:22 <Netsniper> forrestv: http://www.gearlog.com/2011/01/geek_harnesses_nature_turns_ou.php
 786 2011-05-03 04:29:59 <plato> pull request for python 3 version of nanotube's gpg signer script: https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/pulls
 787 2011-05-03 04:30:44 <EvanR> forrestv: well as long as the attic super insulated and can withstand arbitrary temperatures
 788 2011-05-03 04:30:46 <luke-jr> plato: tested how? was Supybot migrated to Py3?
 789 2011-05-03 04:31:06 <plato> luke-jr: no, this is just a python script to clearsign a challenge string
 790 2011-05-03 04:31:08 <AAA_awright> noagendamarket: Ping
 791 2011-05-03 04:31:27 <AAA_awright> Oh
 792 2011-05-03 04:31:32 <plato> AAA_awright: 23:26 <+noagendamarket> afk
 793 2011-05-03 04:31:39 <AAA_awright> noagendamarket: If I ping you you need to pong me back
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 795 2011-05-03 04:42:03 * Kiba will hire his first employee for The Bitcoin Weekly
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 803 2011-05-03 05:05:56 <B0g4r7> ;;bc,calc 1200000
 804 2011-05-03 05:05:57 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 4 days, 13 hours, 2 minutes, and 4 seconds
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 806 2011-05-03 05:12:19 <noagendamarket> AAA_awright :pong
 807 2011-05-03 05:12:27 <AAA_awright> Ah!
 808 2011-05-03 05:12:36 <AAA_awright> I should have posted the link too, uh
 809 2011-05-03 05:12:55 <AAA_awright> noagendamarket: From ##dns-p2p http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6197.0
 810 2011-05-03 05:13:10 <AAA_awright> I'm trying to figure out what all this DNS stuff is about
 811 2011-05-03 05:13:16 <AAA_awright> Who's working on this stuff
 812 2011-05-03 05:13:47 <noagendamarket> ah come to #namecoin
 813 2011-05-03 05:13:52 <Kiba> AAA_awright: the dns p2p group?
 814 2011-05-03 05:14:04 <AAA_awright> Yes
 815 2011-05-03 05:14:13 <Kiba> I am using a DNS server that got its data from the namecoin blockchain
 816 2011-05-03 05:14:16 <AAA_awright> noagendamarket: No you come to us, we work on theory
 817 2011-05-03 05:14:22 <Kiba> their site looks dead to me
 818 2011-05-03 05:14:28 <AAA_awright> Who?
 819 2011-05-03 05:14:40 <Kiba> the dns p2p group
 820 2011-05-03 05:15:00 <AAA_awright> It works on my end
 821 2011-05-03 05:15:51 <Kiba> not what I mean
 822 2011-05-03 05:15:54 <B0g4r7> ;;bc,stats
 823 2011-05-03 05:15:56 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121547 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1428 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 144897.25366824
 824 2011-05-03 05:16:02 <Kiba> the activity level of the group is next to none?
 825 2011-05-03 05:18:55 <sacarlson> Kiba: I should look at it does it work?
 826 2011-05-03 05:19:24 <Kiba> namecoin is working software
 827 2011-05-03 05:19:35 <AAA_awright> Kiba: On dead principles
 828 2011-05-03 05:19:55 <Kiba> explains
 829 2011-05-03 05:19:56 <sacarlson> AAA_awright: dead principles?
 830 2011-05-03 05:20:09 <AAA_awright> I'm not entirely sure how Namecoin works, but
 831 2011-05-03 05:20:18 <AAA_awright> If you have to generate domain names, you've killed it
 832 2011-05-03 05:20:19 <noagendamarket> I dont know how it works either
 833 2011-05-03 05:20:46 <AAA_awright> I've shown that through my research on the site which I encourage anyone implementing a solution to look at
 834 2011-05-03 05:20:47 <Kiba> umm.
 835 2011-05-03 05:20:48 <AAA_awright> and understand
 836 2011-05-03 05:20:50 <Kiba> it's a working system
 837 2011-05-03 05:21:07 <Kiba> you don't generate domain names
 838 2011-05-03 05:21:11 <Kiba> you generate coins
 839 2011-05-03 05:21:19 <Kiba> that you spent to get new names
 840 2011-05-03 05:22:08 <sacarlson> Kiba: or you buy coins to buy a name that last for how long?
 841 2011-05-03 05:23:02 <Kiba> 3 months
 842 2011-05-03 05:23:03 <Kiba> roughly
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 845 2011-05-03 05:24:22 <doublec> it last 3 months but updates are free iirc
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 848 2011-05-03 05:37:24 <npouillard> AAA_awright: you don't generate domain names but namecoins which can be spent to pay fees for domain names operations
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 852 2011-05-03 05:39:43 <npouillard> AAA_awright: oh you switched to #namecoin
 853 2011-05-03 05:39:52 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
 854 2011-05-03 05:39:52 <gribble> 27616639.7133
 855 2011-05-03 05:39:57 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
 856 2011-05-03 05:39:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 27616639.7133 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 16 seconds
 857 2011-05-03 05:40:06 <luke-jr> wtf is taking so long -.-
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 862 2011-05-03 05:45:39 <luke-jr> [01:37:53] <ljrbot> Blk 0000000000001c06fe3805f664cdb1b877bf6eebcc48c0f95419bb60e2468dd1: 1jT8tyQe4p1vF9TZ8zsxzsj2L3aehvF1v 9.30106262 BTC, 1NJiq6mPGWaEQUFwcnAWBjVAJES5UZLeQp 8.89388155 BTC, 1QDs3u4NawCmPBfMxWzZARbwjWwEQdTFTd 4.71823627 BTC, 1KoBYhF3uNS5ZvGTd4RNjWc7VbMqQfDwzy 2.76073659 BTC, 1Dh225PqFhD8eDFzqPoT8j5uhPF2j815Cb
 863 2011-05-03 05:45:39 <luke-jr> ll
 864 2011-05-03 05:45:42 <luke-jr> lol*
 865 2011-05-03 05:46:15 <Diablo-D3> wtf am I looking at
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 867 2011-05-03 05:47:58 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: my pool found a block 2 minutes after I complained it was taking too long
 868 2011-05-03 05:48:28 <Diablo-D3> hax
 869 2011-05-03 05:48:29 <phantomcircuit> lulz
 870 2011-05-03 05:48:32 <luke-jr> http://blockexplorer.com/block/0000000000001c06fe3805f664cdb1b877bf6eebcc48c0f95419bb60e2468dd1
 871 2011-05-03 05:48:35 <phantomcircuit> LUKE IS HACKING
 872 2011-05-03 05:48:38 <phantomcircuit> GUYS HES CHEATING
 873 2011-05-03 05:48:42 <phantomcircuit> MOOOOMMMMM
 874 2011-05-03 05:48:51 <luke-jr> imma try again
 875 2011-05-03 05:48:55 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
 876 2011-05-03 05:48:58 <gribble> 25640954.7571
 877 2011-05-03 05:48:59 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
 878 2011-05-03 05:49:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 25640954.7571 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 5 hours, 6 minutes, and 10 seconds
 879 2011-05-03 05:49:06 <luke-jr> wtf only 1 block yesterday
 880 2011-05-03 05:49:14 <plato> que pasa
 881 2011-05-03 05:49:17 * luke-jr waits
 882 2011-05-03 05:51:14 <luke-jr> aww, not working -.
 883 2011-05-03 05:51:15 <luke-jr> -.-
 884 2011-05-03 05:51:15 <xelister> phantomcircuit: ?
 885 2011-05-03 05:51:17 <luke-jr> gnight
 886 2011-05-03 05:51:24 <phantomcircuit> xelister, it's a joke bro
 887 2011-05-03 05:51:25 <phantomcircuit> also
 888 2011-05-03 05:51:28 <luke-jr> lol
 889 2011-05-03 05:51:28 <xelister> luke-jr is wallhacking
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 894 2011-05-03 05:58:48 <FellowTraveler> Any Bitcoin coders around?  Writing a Bitcoin GUI right now, and running into this bug, which occurs also on command line
 895 2011-05-03 05:58:56 <FellowTraveler> Bitcoin freezes when I do this:  ./bitcoin getaccountaddress ""
 896 2011-05-03 05:59:24 <FellowTraveler> running 0.3.20.1
 897 2011-05-03 05:59:25 <xelister> yo FellowTraveler
 898 2011-05-03 05:59:28 <xelister> :)
 899 2011-05-03 05:59:39 <xelister> FellowTraveler: blockchain downloaded and all?
 900 2011-05-03 05:59:53 <FellowTraveler> it says 24,930 blocks
 901 2011-05-03 05:59:57 <tcatm> FellowTraveler: just after starting bitcoind on an empty datadir?
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 903 2011-05-03 06:00:06 <tcatm> i.e. virgin wallet.dat?
 904 2011-05-03 06:00:14 <FellowTraveler> yes but I can try again
 905 2011-05-03 06:00:20 <FellowTraveler> just erase that dir and try again?
 906 2011-05-03 06:00:23 <tcatm> known problem
 907 2011-05-03 06:00:34 <FellowTraveler> well then what's the workaround?
 908 2011-05-03 06:00:35 <alkor> ;;gpg auth alkor
 909 2011-05-03 06:00:35 <gribble> Request successful for user alkor. Your challenge string is: 47166ede6cb5b977362a3251fb5a9ec4417445cc530048bd9e57b7c10cd7eb76
 910 2011-05-03 06:00:40 <alkor> ;;gpg verify http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/381994/
 911 2011-05-03 06:00:41 <gribble> You are now authenticated for user 'alkor' with key DF3E2313092D03BB
 912 2011-05-03 06:00:53 * xelister off to bed
 913 2011-05-03 06:01:11 <tcatm> FellowTraveler: calling getinfo once after creating the new wallet
 914 2011-05-03 06:01:30 <tcatm> FellowTraveler: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/185
 915 2011-05-03 06:01:38 <FellowTraveler> tcatm: therefore if I just code the client to call getInfo whenever it loads, problem will disappear?
 916 2011-05-03 06:01:41 <xelister> good work on your projects FellowTraveler o/
 917 2011-05-03 06:01:49 * xelister zzz
 918 2011-05-03 06:02:19 <tcatm> FellowTraveler: yep. well eventually there'll be a fix for bitcoind...
 919 2011-05-03 06:04:16 <sacarlson> I seem to note when my dynamic ip changes that my bitcoind seems to never recover back into the IRC is this normal?
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 921 2011-05-03 06:04:31 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: it doesnt need to join irc
 922 2011-05-03 06:04:32 <plato> FellowTraveler: didn't know you were here, i've been pimping Open Transactions lately
 923 2011-05-03 06:04:42 <Diablo-D3> infact, the irc code is going to be removed at some point
 924 2011-05-03 06:04:43 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: why not?
 925 2011-05-03 06:04:49 <Diablo-D3> its not needed for the functioning of bitcoin
 926 2011-05-03 06:04:55 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: it keeps a list of all the nodes it knows of
 927 2011-05-03 06:04:59 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, irc is just to bootstrap a list of peers
 928 2011-05-03 06:04:59 <plato> FellowTraveler: also, i'd love to hear your thoughts on my post here - http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7096
 929 2011-05-03 06:05:03 <Diablo-D3> and nodes can send each other more nodes
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 932 2011-05-03 06:05:15 <Diablo-D3> and bitcoin comes with a list of 200 well known nodes
 933 2011-05-03 06:05:23 <Diablo-D3> irc just isnt needed, even for bootstrapping
 934 2011-05-03 06:05:31 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: in this case it's the only system that is on the IRC so without it the network is dead
 935 2011-05-03 06:05:51 <tcatm> sacarlson: there are some bug reports for problems with dynamic IP changes. most are due to faulty routers
 936 2011-05-03 06:06:08 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, what?
 937 2011-05-03 06:06:24 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: it's my weeds network
 938 2011-05-03 06:06:24 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, you're running a parallel block chain?
 939 2011-05-03 06:06:31 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: yes
 940 2011-05-03 06:06:48 <phantomcircuit> meh
 941 2011-05-03 06:06:58 <phantomcircuit> mainline client has no reason to fix that
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 943 2011-05-03 06:07:45 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: I was looking at the namecoin method that I might add something similar or the same to weeds
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 945 2011-05-03 06:12:21 <shazow> I just misread "weeds" as "tweets" and imagined a twitter-like service built on bitcoin-like blockchains where you buy slots for short messages
 946 2011-05-03 06:13:07 <xelister> lol shazow
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 950 2011-05-03 06:16:12 <sacarlson> seems a transaction over a certain value should be able to add a dns if desired to the blockchain but I guess if the dns was poluted with wrong addresses it would also cause a failure of the network
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 967 2011-05-03 06:44:10 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 968 2011-05-03 06:44:20 <gribble> timed out
 969 2011-05-03 06:46:22 <sacarlson> JFK911: bummer must be being attacked again?
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 971 2011-05-03 06:46:39 <sacarlson> ;;bc,mtgox
 972 2011-05-03 06:46:50 <gribble> timed out
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 978 2011-05-03 07:02:42 <eluos> bitcoin is so hot right
 979 2011-05-03 07:02:44 <eluos> now
 980 2011-05-03 07:04:08 <ersi> ;;bc,mtgox
 981 2011-05-03 07:04:20 <gribble> Unknown host.
 982 2011-05-03 07:04:27 <RenaKunisaki> oh dear
 983 2011-05-03 07:04:37 <RenaKunisaki> last I saw was 3.495
 984 2011-05-03 07:04:56 <ersi> bitcoincharts lateast poll was "Previous Close: 3.2$" at mtgox
 985 2011-05-03 07:05:12 <ersi> and "Latest Price: 3.1211$"
 986 2011-05-03 07:05:24 <ersi> Is anyone here selling or buying for that price? :o
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 988 2011-05-03 07:08:47 <molecular> mtgox is really slow. is the ddos still going on? or did MagicalTux put some rate-limiting stuff?
 989 2011-05-03 07:08:58 <xelister> molecular: still going
 990 2011-05-03 07:09:12 <molecular> wow, congrats for making things accessible to MagicalTux then ;)
 991 2011-05-03 07:10:12 <molecular> I'm assuming they use a botnet? how long can they sustain this typically?
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 993 2011-05-03 07:10:41 <MagicalTux> molecular: seems like they can hold for a while
 994 2011-05-03 07:11:11 <xelister> btw guys, please review BtcFn bitcoin transport protocol freenet:SSK@oG7cGoUEBuHyulWpcmqV0yc-I569Re2A7RRs8zRljEs,IWIcXczmLdP9FEjTvoxJgGnXnK5~PxOppN-wYSADPWQ,AQACAAE/bitcoin-over-freenet-1/
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 996 2011-05-03 07:11:37 <gjs278> post it on a real url
 997 2011-05-03 07:11:40 <gjs278> and I'll consider it
 998 2011-05-03 07:12:24 <xelister> most interesting for people actually using freenet =) but ok
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1000 2011-05-03 07:12:57 x5x is now known as x5x`brb
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1002 2011-05-03 07:15:26 <molecular> MagicalTux, I just hope it costs them a lot of $$$ (or should I say "RUB")
1003 2011-05-03 07:15:29 <da2ce7> yo xelister
1004 2011-05-03 07:15:46 danbri has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1005 2011-05-03 07:16:07 <da2ce7> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2312.0
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1008 2011-05-03 07:17:28 <xelister> da2ce7: missing image... need to repate to normal internet
1009 2011-05-03 07:17:30 <CoinMan> Wow, super nice of this guy but is bitcoin ready for this exposure now? http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6619.0
1010 2011-05-03 07:20:09 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
1011 2011-05-03 07:20:14 <molecular> ugh, I hate radio ads.
1012 2011-05-03 07:20:54 <molecular> that's why I dont listen to traditional radio stations
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1014 2011-05-03 07:21:49 <CoinMan> :)
1015 2011-05-03 07:22:40 <CoinMan> I just wonder what the devs think...if bitcoin is really ready for mainstream after the events of the past couple of days.
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1017 2011-05-03 07:28:12 <molecular> it's not like millions will join because of a radio ad, is it?
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1019 2011-05-03 07:30:47 <molecular> what do you guys think of my first bitcoin-related idea: https://bitpoll.dyndns.org?poll=1 (sorry 'bout the cert and the shameless plug)
1020 2011-05-03 07:31:07 <comboy> MagicalTux: I'm not up to date, but about ddos, are there a lot of ips there? any chance you could publish list somewhere?
1021 2011-05-03 07:31:40 <MagicalTux> comboy: got a 7k ips list on the forum
1022 2011-05-03 07:31:56 <comboy> oh, sorry I missed that, will search thx
1023 2011-05-03 07:32:30 <MagicalTux> it's in the "mtgox vs mysterious russia" thread
1024 2011-05-03 07:32:31 <MagicalTux> page 3
1025 2011-05-03 07:32:33 <MagicalTux> near the end
1026 2011-05-03 07:32:40 <comboy> got it, thanks
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1030 2011-05-03 07:34:06 <molecular> anyone else have problems accessing forums?
1031 2011-05-03 07:34:14 <comboy> yup
1032 2011-05-03 07:34:26 <molecular> also ddos??
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1034 2011-05-03 07:34:52 <comboy> it's getting interesting, doesn't it? :)
1035 2011-05-03 07:34:57 <molecular> sure is ;)
1036 2011-05-03 07:35:17 <molecular> I kinda like being attacked, means you're important ;)
1037 2011-05-03 07:35:23 <[Tycho]> Why would anyone ddos the forums ? You only need to post a link to hnews and it's done :)
1038 2011-05-03 07:35:24 <MagicalTux> meh
1039 2011-05-03 07:35:39 <molecular> did someone post a link to hnews?
1040 2011-05-03 07:35:41 <xelister> [Tycho]: are you the russian guy responsible =)
1041 2011-05-03 07:35:43 <MagicalTux> [Tycho]: in 10 minutes, clone attack in the channel, I'd guess?
1042 2011-05-03 07:35:43 <xelister> >_>
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1044 2011-05-03 07:36:06 <MagicalTux> it's not the forums which are targetted, but bitcoin.org (wild guess)
1045 2011-05-03 07:36:38 <molecular> hmm, bitcoin.org itself seams to load rapidly, though
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1047 2011-05-03 07:36:54 <[Tycho]> No, i'm not evil.
1048 2011-05-03 07:36:56 <molecular> oh, no it doesnt
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1051 2011-05-03 07:37:16 <[Tycho]> And i don't agree with btcex guy.
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1053 2011-05-03 07:37:32 <MagicalTux> ok, so forum is attacked
1054 2011-05-03 07:37:33 <MagicalTux> great
1055 2011-05-03 07:37:57 * comboy waiting for freenode to go down
1056 2011-05-03 07:38:02 <BurtyB> :/
1057 2011-05-03 07:38:03 <molecular> lol
1058 2011-05-03 07:38:18 * MagicalTux waiting for verisign to go down
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1060 2011-05-03 07:38:41 <[Tycho]> He wants the exchange to be stopped when rate changes rapidly and during night, i don't like it.
1061 2011-05-03 07:39:17 <BurtyB> have verisign not called up yet to offer you ddos protection?
1062 2011-05-03 07:39:57 <comboy> I'm no Russia enemy but they may still have some ideas hardcoded about things like "everyone should get evenly", that what limiting trading sounds to me like
1063 2011-05-03 07:40:21 <BurtyB> looks like britcoin is broken now too :(
1064 2011-05-03 07:40:24 <MagicalTux> [16:34:03] <BurtyB> have verisign not called up yet to offer you ddos protection? <- actually, they did
1065 2011-05-03 07:40:44 <ersi> comboy: No need to generalise that much dude. It's a freckin' huge country.
1066 2011-05-03 07:40:50 <ersi> Makes you sound like an idiot.
1067 2011-05-03 07:41:11 <comboy> ersi: there may be some truth in what you're saying, sorry then
1068 2011-05-03 07:41:20 <BurtyB> MagicalTux sounds similar to someone else I know then heh
1069 2011-05-03 07:41:24 <ersi> Just sayin'
1070 2011-05-03 07:41:57 <MagicalTux> BurtyB: got an email "Hi, google alerts told us you got attacked blablabla we don't tell you how much right now because you'd faint"
1071 2011-05-03 07:41:58 <comboy> so let's say I only meant those who want to limit trading/mtgox, I may have some opinion about them I guess
1072 2011-05-03 07:43:30 <MagicalTux> anyway I'm speeding up the process of setting up the new server for mtgox
1073 2011-05-03 07:43:34 <comboy> MagicalTux: how many boxes do you have for mtgox if many?
1074 2011-05-03 07:43:54 <BurtyB> MagicalTux :) yes i imagine their price will have have a few digits :(
1075 2011-05-03 07:43:57 <MagicalTux> comboy: for now I used to run on 3 servers, I'll move to a single server at a specific provider specialized in ddos mitigation
1076 2011-05-03 07:44:17 <MagicalTux> BurtyB: one of the first "cheap" alternative was US$9k/month
1077 2011-05-03 07:44:32 <comboy> MagicalTux: there are some providers like this? any links if it's not confidential?
1078 2011-05-03 07:44:33 <BurtyB> MagicalTux nice... not
1079 2011-05-03 07:44:49 <MagicalTux> [16:39:18] <comboy> MagicalTux: there are some providers like this? any links if it's not confidential? <- the name passed here a few times
1080 2011-05-03 07:44:59 <MagicalTux> prolexic.com for example
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1082 2011-05-03 07:45:43 <comboy> sorry I just only have time to read irc from time to time lately, so then I end up asking questions that have been asked many times before
1083 2011-05-03 07:45:57 <comboy> I just cannot stop curiosity
1084 2011-05-03 07:46:12 <MagicalTux> np
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1086 2011-05-03 07:47:24 <molecular> anyone know a simple way to geolocate a list of 7000 ips and draw them on a map?
1087 2011-05-03 07:47:40 <comboy> hmm, I had a script for that
1088 2011-05-03 07:47:53 <comboy> but with 7000 may be problem, common appis have daily limits like 1k max afair
1089 2011-05-03 07:48:25 <MagicalTux> [16:42:09] <molecular> anyone know a simple way to geolocate a list of 7000 ips and draw them on a map? <- most are in mexico, tcatm checked the locations already (not as pretty as on a map, but good enough for what I had to do)
1090 2011-05-03 07:48:26 <molecular> had a rapid-proxy-switching script laying around for google map ripping
1091 2011-05-03 07:49:18 <comboy> nice, I wonder if google is still accepting tor ips for this
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1094 2011-05-03 07:51:03 <molecular> tor is probably too slow to rip considerable amounts of google map data, I used "traditional" proxy lists back when I did this
1095 2011-05-03 07:51:18 <molecular> ripped over 1.000.000 jpegs
1096 2011-05-03 07:51:39 <comboy> it's not really that slow when you're doing many connections in parallel, I guet 1-2s per request after warmup
1097 2011-05-03 07:51:49 <comboy> look what I found:
1098 2011-05-03 07:51:53 <comboy> http://www.phpace.com/tools/network-tools/ip-to-location/
1099 2011-05-03 07:52:02 <comboy> worked with 200+ ips for me from the list
1100 2011-05-03 07:52:11 <molecular> nice
1101 2011-05-03 07:52:27 <comboy> ok
1102 2011-05-03 07:52:34 <comboy> I pasted 200 ;p
1103 2011-05-03 07:52:41 <comboy> it cuts to 100 but still
1104 2011-05-03 07:53:21 <molecular> yeah
1105 2011-05-03 07:53:26 <MagicalTux> comboy: just download the "maxmind geoip lite database" and use it
1106 2011-05-03 07:53:34 <MagicalTux> it's free and since you lookup locally, no rate limit
1107 2011-05-03 07:53:39 <comboy> looks like maybe first ips were from like vietnam, but last ones are mostly europe
1108 2011-05-03 07:53:43 <molecular> am at it
1109 2011-05-03 07:53:48 <comboy> somebody have a nice botnet
1110 2011-05-03 07:53:52 <MagicalTux> comboy: in the whole list, the winner is mexico
1111 2011-05-03 07:53:57 <molecular> or multiple ones
1112 2011-05-03 07:54:15 <comboy> MagicalTux: thx, didn't know that one
1113 2011-05-03 07:55:09 <MagicalTux> maxmind is like the most famous company when it comes to ip geolocalisation
1114 2011-05-03 07:55:30 <BurtyB> and maxmind are sane and actually update listings when you complain :)
1115 2011-05-03 07:57:04 <comboy> haven't tested this lite version accuracy yet but this is so way cooler than querying some remote apis
1116 2011-05-03 07:57:31 <TD> molecular: funny
1117 2011-05-03 07:57:37 <TD> molecular: my job used to be to stop guys like you
1118 2011-05-03 07:57:46 <BurtyB> php.net uses the lite version and there aren't many complaints
1119 2011-05-03 07:57:55 <TD> you realize ripping google maps imagery is against the terms of service, right?
1120 2011-05-03 07:58:11 <comboy> TD: at google or somewhere else?
1121 2011-05-03 07:58:32 <TD> yes, i worked on google maps, one of the things i did was block scrapers like moleculars. i didn't work on it for a couple of years though.
1122 2011-05-03 07:59:20 <comboy> it sounds like a difficult job
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1124 2011-05-03 08:00:02 <comboy> especially if you have some policy (if you have) to keep tor ips non-blocked
1125 2011-05-03 08:00:30 <BurtyB> blocking tor exit nodes isnt too hard
1126 2011-05-03 08:01:00 <comboy> sure, there are ips list ready to download, but not everyone wants to get rid of all tor users
1127 2011-05-03 08:01:46 <LightRider> What if Egypt happens again? Do you want to be on the side of the oppressors?
1128 2011-05-03 08:01:53 <comboy> still I don't get why people run these tor nodes, I would be really afraid of making all these nasty requests
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1130 2011-05-03 08:03:08 <comboy> what I want is a independent internet p2p physipcal structure, it's doable already, starting with networks in big cities, from hotspot to hotspot, only then internet will be safe
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1133 2011-05-03 08:04:38 <TD> comboy: it's hard to stop people who are willing to break the law to get the imagery yes, if they use thousands of proxies they are almost certainly doing that.
1134 2011-05-03 08:04:54 <TD> tor ips are not treated specially. they're just proxies like any other.
1135 2011-05-03 08:05:14 <molecular> TD, stop guys like me from doing what?
1136 2011-05-03 08:05:50 <TD> scraping maps imagery
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1138 2011-05-03 08:06:29 <molecular> oh, well, not that easy to find something I won't wind my way around, though (if I have enough IPs available)
1139 2011-05-03 08:06:48 <comboy> TD, well for maps I use openstreetmap, getting data for some own research seems reasonable, but I don't know what one could do with images since he cannot use them in public
1140 2011-05-03 08:06:53 <TD> yes, like i said, people who are willing to used thousands of hacked machines are very hard to stop without inconveniencing regular users
1141 2011-05-03 08:07:10 <TD> and unfortunately the fact that people like molecular are around does make things work worse for lots of other people
1142 2011-05-03 08:07:31 <molecular> yeah, well. there's not much of a point in doing this anyway
1143 2011-05-03 08:07:48 <molecular> as you said: you can't really use the data except for private uses
1144 2011-05-03 08:07:55 <TD> so why were you doing it?
1145 2011-05-03 08:08:03 <comboy> TD, oh, that sounds bad, it sounds like somewhat like security by obscurity, if something is possible just assume people will do it
1146 2011-05-03 08:08:08 <molecular> I wanted to take map material on a rally jordan
1147 2011-05-03 08:08:15 <molecular> *to jordan
1148 2011-05-03 08:08:45 <TD> yeah. i don't think there's a free service that will let you do that today. the satellite companies want you to buy it from them, for that sort of thing.
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1150 2011-05-03 08:09:22 <TD> comboy: abuse fighting is all about raising the costs, raising the bar
1151 2011-05-03 08:09:24 <molecular> I _did_ take the db with the images, which made for a queer situation on syrian border when they asked about gps or map material looking at my car pc ;)
1152 2011-05-03 08:09:45 <molecular> "nooo, this is just for music (cranking it up)" solved the situation ;)
1153 2011-05-03 08:10:16 <TD> hah
1154 2011-05-03 08:10:25 <comboy> hehe
1155 2011-05-03 08:13:22 <BurtyB> hmm has the new (0.3.21) client got different rules re fees?
1156 2011-05-03 08:14:09 <molecular> I think it suggests you pay a fee if your tx meets certain critery which wasnt in 0.3.20 ?
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1158 2011-05-03 08:15:34 <BurtyB> hmm it says over size limit :/
1159 2011-05-03 08:15:42 <molecular> the gui? yeah
1160 2011-05-03 08:16:27 <molecular> I wish it was 0.001 instead of 0.01. 0.01 is not a reasonable fee for small (BTC-wise) tx
1161 2011-05-03 08:16:34 <BurtyB> yeah in the gui
1162 2011-05-03 08:16:48 <molecular> this was put in to avoid huge transaction backlog (anti-tx-spam)
1163 2011-05-03 08:17:14 <molecular> well, rather it was put in so people wouldn't have to wait very long for their tx to get into block
1164 2011-05-03 08:18:00 <BurtyB> oh well i want to move it so i guess i have to pay :/
1165 2011-05-03 08:18:16 <molecular> if you're able to compile bitcoin yourself you could hack it
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1167 2011-05-03 08:29:08 <MagicalTux> meh
1168 2011-05-03 08:29:11 <MagicalTux> forum ?
1169 2011-05-03 08:29:29 <MagicalTux> "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to www.bitcoin.org" ... guess something happened while I was setting up a server
1170 2011-05-03 08:30:56 <mrb_> yeah what's up with that? I hope it is not someone ddos'ing bitcoin.org too
1171 2011-05-03 08:32:25 <comboy> I don't know if I should say that loud but you know, p2p can be ddosed too, and it's *much* harder to protect against that
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1179 2011-05-03 08:59:25 <sacarlson> genjix  how's your black-market doing?
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1183 2011-05-03 09:18:43 <jaromil> jgarzik: read now some conversations yesterday. autotools solves lots of headache with ubuntu packaging already
1184 2011-05-03 09:18:47 <netxshare> it's been offline for me
1185 2011-05-03 09:18:53 <netxshare> I wanted to test it out today =/
1186 2011-05-03 09:19:09 <jaromil> branch is not moving since almost a week now, last thing missing is win32 build but i doubt i can do that alone
1187 2011-05-03 09:19:30 <jaromil> i just plan to verify why some configure --flags aren't responding, hopefully that will fix
1188 2011-05-03 09:20:54 <jaromil> so more or less that is it.
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1192 2011-05-03 09:21:31 <jaromil> btw for debian/ubuntu packaging, using multiple branches and git-buildpackage its a piece of cake
1193 2011-05-03 09:22:01 <jaromil> since i'm rolling lots more stuff this way it can be easy for me to maintain .deb binary packages
1194 2011-05-03 09:22:12 <jaromil> so if you like consider i can volunteer on that
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1201 2011-05-03 09:41:03 <topi`> my opinion is that we need a better client that is not written in C++ :)
1202 2011-05-03 09:42:05 <disq> i think separating the ui from the internals would make this easier
1203 2011-05-03 09:42:29 <topi`> funnily, I agree with Diablo on the point that libboost is a PITA
1204 2011-05-03 09:42:33 <disq> unless someone was to rewrite it in a modern language (which is what c++ is not imo :P )
1205 2011-05-03 09:43:04 <topi`> Erlang would be a good candidate, and then some formal verification tools could be used to verify the logic
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1207 2011-05-03 09:44:03 * jaromil has seen so many projects failing with ppl coming over with new languages and theories about them...
1208 2011-05-03 09:44:32 <jaromil> IMHO C and C++ are production ready languages, all the rest is toying and prototyping for kids in legoland <g>
1209 2011-05-03 09:44:48 <jaromil> i agree libboost is PITA and actually could be substituted
1210 2011-05-03 09:44:51 <disq> i never liked cpp
1211 2011-05-03 09:45:29 <jaromil> if you want different langs on top of bitcoin you simply SWIG the shit out of its cpp classess, they are there for that
1212 2011-05-03 09:45:32 <topi`> jaromil: I see it requires a working code to convince you otherwise.
1213 2011-05-03 09:45:34 <topi`> we shall do that.
1214 2011-05-03 09:45:42 <sacarlson> disq: you can make the user interface with anything just use rpc to comunicate with bitcoind
1215 2011-05-03 09:45:54 <disq> libboost looks too heavy. i think if you don't want to use the 'v' flag with tar, then it's too heavy. (of course this rule could/should change with faster machines)
1216 2011-05-03 09:45:58 <jaromil> topi`: sure you can take my skepticism as motivation if that suffices
1217 2011-05-03 09:46:03 <topi`> my problem with c++ is that it's inherently difficult to prove that it works correctly. on functional languages, it's just a question of mathematics and determinism
1218 2011-05-03 09:46:13 <topi`> jaromil: thank you for that!
1219 2011-05-03 09:47:05 <jaromil> you knew i was a conservative bastard didn't you
1220 2011-05-03 09:47:08 <sacarlson> disq: and there is the java branch if you like that lang better
1221 2011-05-03 09:47:31 <sipa> java jre is a lot heavier then libboost, afaik :)
1222 2011-05-03 09:47:32 <disq> sacarlson: true, but what about the core developers? they have feelings too? :)
1223 2011-05-03 09:47:58 <jaromil> java ahahhahah java is not even good for prototyping
1224 2011-05-03 09:48:13 <genjix> me and caedes already swig-enabled bitcoin
1225 2011-05-03 09:48:17 <netxshare> what's the blackmarket website?
1226 2011-05-03 09:48:19 <netxshare> errr
1227 2011-05-03 09:48:25 <netxshare> the bitcoin blackmarket
1228 2011-05-03 09:48:28 <netxshare> .py
1229 2011-05-03 09:48:29 <jaromil> genjix: y0. i was waiting you to say it to not spoil the pleasure :D
1230 2011-05-03 09:48:29 <netxshare> yes
1231 2011-05-03 09:48:34 <genjix> http://glbse.com/
1232 2011-05-03 09:48:38 <netxshare> thanks
1233 2011-05-03 09:48:44 <sacarlson> I'm just learning c++ I haven't programed in C for years it's not that bad
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1235 2011-05-03 09:48:47 <netxshare> anyway to list the symbols from the client?
1236 2011-05-03 09:48:54 <genjix> sup jaromil. you ran off before i got to say bye :p
1237 2011-05-03 09:49:09 <netxshare> fyi, it's Monday.
1238 2011-05-03 09:49:10 <genjix> netxshare: blackmarket help
1239 2011-05-03 09:49:12 <jaromil> genjix: c'mon i'm sitting side by side here all day don't be sentimental now
1240 2011-05-03 09:49:35 <jaromil> :) i was sorry but had stuff to do and was very annoyed by the weather
1241 2011-05-03 09:49:42 <genjix> kk no worries
1242 2011-05-03 09:50:09 <netxshare> bah
1243 2011-05-03 09:50:16 <netxshare> can't list them with out knowning them?
1244 2011-05-03 09:50:22 <topi`> genjix: so, did you already leave adam?
1245 2011-05-03 09:50:29 <genjix> yes
1246 2011-05-03 09:50:34 <topi`> cool
1247 2011-05-03 09:51:10 <sacarlson> genjix: so hows your glbse.com doing?  I was just taking a look at it, the pages said would be down til monday but todays tuesday here
1248 2011-05-03 09:53:05 <genjix> sacarlson: ask nefario
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1254 2011-05-03 09:53:44 <sacarlson> genjix: ok,  I didn't look at the code or see how it works I guess it works from a server not pure p2p?
1255 2011-05-03 09:54:17 <netxshare> servers down again
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1257 2011-05-03 09:54:35 <genjix> yep server based.
1258 2011-05-03 09:55:00 <sacarlson> genjix: ok cool thanks
1259 2011-05-03 10:02:41 TD has joined
1260 2011-05-03 10:04:19 <genjix> topi`: #bitcoinconsultancy
1261 2011-05-03 10:04:46 <CIA-30> bitcoin: genjix exper * r0e10fa10144e intersango/transfer.php: added recipient to text http://tinyurl.com/6yk5u6m
1262 2011-05-03 10:04:52 <CIA-30> bitcoin: genjix exper * rd94c13f8e3da intersango/ (DATABASE transfer.php util.php withdraw.php): transferring files to other users works. TODO: - show past transfers in profile. - do exchange mechanism http://tinyurl.com/69x73xy
1263 2011-05-03 10:04:53 <CIA-30> bitcoin: genjix exper * rc5afbeca2fae intersango/transfer.php: exchange funds is now working. http://tinyurl.com/6f5j2bx
1264 2011-05-03 10:04:58 <CIA-30> bitcoin: genjix exper * r0204b38e981c intersango/profile.php: profile is showing transfers initiated by you. TODO: show transfers queued up FOR me. http://tinyurl.com/5spfezh
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1271 2011-05-03 10:12:30 <pirrr> Where can I find updates for mtgox?
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1276 2011-05-03 10:21:34 <genjix> ;;bc,seen tcatm
1277 2011-05-03 10:21:34 <gribble> Error: "bc,seen" is not a valid command.
1278 2011-05-03 10:21:44 <genjix> ;;seen tcatm
1279 2011-05-03 10:21:45 <gribble> tcatm was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <tcatm> sacarlson: there are some bug reports for problems with dynamic IP changes. most are due to faulty routers
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1285 2011-05-03 10:27:08 <sipa> ;;bc,eligius
1286 2011-05-03 10:27:09 <gribble> 29807073.0342
1287 2011-05-03 10:27:14 <sipa> ooh nice
1288 2011-05-03 10:27:16 <UukGoblin> eliwhat?
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1290 2011-05-03 10:27:21 <sipa> luke-jr's pool
1291 2011-05-03 10:27:28 <sipa> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
1292 2011-05-03 10:27:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 29807073.0342 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 22 seconds
1293 2011-05-03 10:27:41 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
1294 2011-05-03 10:27:41 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 13 hours, 40 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> talk to y'all later, I've gotta go...
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1296 2011-05-03 10:28:53 <UukGoblin> are any nodes under attack too?
1297 2011-05-03 10:29:47 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: you mean the ddoses going around?
1298 2011-05-03 10:29:52 <UukGoblin> yeah
1299 2011-05-03 10:30:29 <BlueMatt> nothing showing up odd on my graphs here
1300 2011-05-03 10:30:34 <UukGoblin> cool
1301 2011-05-03 10:30:46 <BlueMatt> wouldnt bet against it for the fallback nodes though
1302 2011-05-03 10:30:55 <BlueMatt> gonna go add mine to that list :)
1303 2011-05-03 10:31:03 <UukGoblin> yeah I should probably add mine too
1304 2011-05-03 10:31:31 <UukGoblin> but need to tighten it up a bit first
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1306 2011-05-03 10:32:42 * da2ce7_laptop has linux installed.
1307 2011-05-03 10:32:45 <da2ce7_laptop> :_)
1308 2011-05-03 10:33:06 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: yay, welcome to the wonderful world of wonderfulness
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1310 2011-05-03 10:33:31 <sipa> cat /boot/vmlinuz >/dev/dsp to hear the voice of god
1311 2011-05-03 10:34:50 <da2ce7> still have windows on this bad boy tho.
1312 2011-05-03 10:34:54 <BlueMatt> yay, bluematt.me now on fallback nodes list
1313 2011-05-03 10:35:03 <BlueMatt> (just dont kill my dsl ;)
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1320 2011-05-03 10:42:03 <eps> ;;bc,stats
1321 2011-05-03 10:42:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121589 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1386 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 7 hours, 33 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 144455.68731208
1322 2011-05-03 10:42:17 <eps> ;;bc,help
1323 2011-05-03 10:42:17 <gribble> Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,lukepool, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias (1 more message)
1324 2011-05-03 10:42:20 <eps> ;;bc,help
1325 2011-05-03 10:42:20 <gribble> Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,lukepool, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias (1 more message)
1326 2011-05-03 10:42:24 <eps> ;;bc,mtgox
1327 2011-05-03 10:42:25 <gribble> Connection refused.
1328 2011-05-03 10:42:33 <BlueMatt> mtgox is down - server upgrades
1329 2011-05-03 10:42:38 <eps> ahh cool, thanks
1330 2011-05-03 10:42:58 <UukGoblin> thought it was 'ddos' ;-P
1331 2011-05-03 10:43:14 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: it was, hence the upgrades
1332 2011-05-03 10:43:17 <UukGoblin> ;-)
1333 2011-05-03 10:44:03 <UukGoblin> kinda like 'signalling failure' on british underground
1334 2011-05-03 10:44:08 <UukGoblin> when there was a bomb earlier
1335 2011-05-03 10:44:16 <UukGoblin> sure, it failed to signal because it got blown up ;-]
1336 2011-05-03 10:44:51 <BlueMatt> when was this?
1337 2011-05-03 10:45:24 <UukGoblin> bomb attacks on london underground? uh... 7/7 2005
1338 2011-05-03 10:45:42 <UukGoblin> unsure if it was /actually/ said it was signalling failure though
1339 2011-05-03 10:45:51 <BlueMatt> oh that one
1340 2011-05-03 10:45:51 <UukGoblin> definitely wasn't later, but I'd imagine some early reports might be that
1341 2011-05-03 10:46:05 <UukGoblin> they use 'signalling failure' as a problem description quite often ;-]
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1350 2011-05-03 10:57:42 <UukGoblin> MagicalTux, btw, check out webscreen ;-]
1351 2011-05-03 10:58:05 <disq> sipa: back in the day it was called the sound of linux
1352 2011-05-03 10:58:27 <disq> and it was /vmlinuz because everybody used slackware :P
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1355 2011-05-03 11:01:45 <UukGoblin> hehe
1356 2011-05-03 11:01:58 <UukGoblin> yeah OSS is kinda deprecated these days :-/
1357 2011-05-03 11:02:23 <UukGoblin> and it's not as easy to pipe using ALSA
1358 2011-05-03 11:02:26 <BlueMatt> lol, oss deprecated?
1359 2011-05-03 11:02:33 <UukGoblin> in linux
1360 2011-05-03 11:02:40 <UukGoblin> and 'kinda' ;-)
1361 2011-05-03 11:02:50 <UukGoblin> I know OSSv4 is doing well in BSD
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1393 2011-05-03 13:13:48 <UukGoblin> MagicalTux, that was fast :-)
1394 2011-05-03 13:14:07 <MagicalTux> UukGoblin: server is still in raid resync
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1396 2011-05-03 13:14:36 <UukGoblin> MagicalTux, btw, I tried to use the trading API a few times before, and it was always giving me some kind of 'not logged in' error...
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1399 2011-05-03 13:15:11 <MagicalTux> UukGoblin: "POST"
1400 2011-05-03 13:15:25 <MagicalTux> it's displayed with ?user=blabla in the page, but you need to pass that as POST
1401 2011-05-03 13:16:31 <UukGoblin> $ curl -k -X POST 'https://mtgox.com/code/getFunds.php?name=goblin&pass=secret'
1402 2011-05-03 13:16:37 <UukGoblin> {"error":"Not logged in."}
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1404 2011-05-03 13:17:35 <MagicalTux> no
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1410 2011-05-03 13:18:14 <MagicalTux> curl -d 'name=goblin&pass=secret' 'https://mtgox.com/code/getFunds.php'
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1413 2011-05-03 13:20:12 <UukGoblin> oh, the... aaah
1414 2011-05-03 13:20:20 <UukGoblin> that's confusing ;-]
1415 2011-05-03 13:21:03 <UukGoblin> cool that works, thanks :-)
1416 2011-05-03 13:21:06 <MagicalTux> yes, it is
1417 2011-05-03 13:23:45 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: what is this I hear about going ahead with my/devrandom/sipa's builds as the "official builds"
1418 2011-05-03 13:24:09 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt:  sounds like a good idea to me.
1419 2011-05-03 13:24:31 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ok so I upload the files to you to go to sf?
1420 2011-05-03 13:24:55 <gavinandresen> Yes
1421 2011-05-03 13:25:13 <gavinandresen> (well, just put them someplace I can get them, I suppose)
1422 2011-05-03 13:25:43 <BlueMatt> alright one sec, Ill put it on the mirrors
1423 2011-05-03 13:25:55 <gavinandresen> If that gets annoying, I'll anoint one of you the official built team leader, and let you upload to sourceforge
1424 2011-05-03 13:26:18 <gavinandresen> Hang on, you don't mean nightlies, do you?
1425 2011-05-03 13:26:20 <BlueMatt> Well, devrandom is working on a better idea
1426 2011-05-03 13:26:30 <BlueMatt> no, Im just putting it on that server
1427 2011-05-03 13:26:37 <gavinandresen> I was talking about next major release....
1428 2011-05-03 13:26:41 <sipa> i assume he's talking about the gitian builds
1429 2011-05-03 13:27:20 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: yea, ok, devrandom left me a gribble msg which seemed to indicate otherwise
1430 2011-05-03 13:27:24 <BlueMatt> ie current 0.3.21 goes up
1431 2011-05-03 13:27:30 <gavinandresen> Nah, why bother?
1432 2011-05-03 13:27:35 <BlueMatt> thats what I thought
1433 2011-05-03 13:27:46 <gavinandresen> Next release == gitian would be most excellent.
1434 2011-05-03 13:27:53 <BlueMatt> or maybe I read it wrong...
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1436 2011-05-03 13:27:59 <gavinandresen> Otherwise it's just busy work, and I don't believe in busy-work
1437 2011-05-03 13:28:08 <BlueMatt> tell me about it...
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1439 2011-05-03 13:28:25 <BlueMatt> (I am just getting out of hs ;)
1440 2011-05-03 13:28:34 <BlueMatt> In any case, I suppose I read it wrong...my bad
1441 2011-05-03 13:30:41 <BlueMatt> and I thought this decision had been made a while ago
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1485 2011-05-03 15:21:07 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r8737e1e / (ui.cpp ui.h):
1486 2011-05-03 15:21:07 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Merge pull request #190 from johnmaguire2013/tray.
1487 2011-05-03 15:21:07 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Added balance to tooltip and send coin option to tray menu - http://bit.ly/lF9rDA
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1495 2011-05-03 15:29:48 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r519365c / main.cpp :
1496 2011-05-03 15:29:48 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Merge pull request #173 from gavinandresen/testnet_isstandard.
1497 2011-05-03 15:29:48 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Accept non-standard transactions on testnet. - http://bit.ly/kxTiRT
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1500 2011-05-03 15:32:38 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rb99c23a / (11 files in 8 dirs):
1501 2011-05-03 15:32:38 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Merge pull request #142 from jgarzik/remove-gui-gen.
1502 2011-05-03 15:32:38 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Remove GUI 'generate coins' option. - http://bit.ly/kGn3GD
1503 2011-05-03 15:32:54 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, THANK YOU
1504 2011-05-03 15:33:08 <disq> thanks!
1505 2011-05-03 15:33:12 <gavinandresen> I'm going to regret that.....
1506 2011-05-03 15:33:18 <BlueMatt> not a chance
1507 2011-05-03 15:33:19 <gavinandresen> ... (but it is the right thing to do)
1508 2011-05-03 15:33:33 <WakiMiko_> you missed the next commit: "added GUI 'mine coins' option"
1509 2011-05-03 15:33:58 <disq> lol
1510 2011-05-03 15:33:58 <citiz3n> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7130.0
1511 2011-05-03 15:34:24 <citiz3n> I couldn't find a bitcoin client ideas/suggestions thread, so I made one
1512 2011-05-03 15:34:42 <BlueMatt> I know there has to be one or two
1513 2011-05-03 15:34:55 <gavinandresen> citiz3n: The issues list has new feature suggestions: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues?sort=updated&direction=desc&_pjax=true&state=open
1514 2011-05-03 15:35:30 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: if you do merge sign+verify can you make it explicit that it should not be used unless it has to
1515 2011-05-03 15:35:44 <BlueMatt> ie dont start using it for authentication
1516 2011-05-03 15:35:59 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: what huh?
1517 2011-05-03 15:36:13 <BlueMatt> the sign+verify with bitcoin address
1518 2011-05-03 15:36:24 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: what's the risk?
1519 2011-05-03 15:36:24 <BlueMatt> IMHO should never be used unless you have a good reason
1520 2011-05-03 15:36:42 <gavinandresen> It's a good way of proving that you own a bitcoin address....
1521 2011-05-03 15:36:43 <BlueMatt> just doesnt sit well...
1522 2011-05-03 15:36:48 <BlueMatt> and satoshi hated it
1523 2011-05-03 15:37:08 <BlueMatt> I agree and thus I agree with merge, but when people start using it to make you auth every time...
1524 2011-05-03 15:37:17 <BlueMatt> I feel that could be open to attack somehow...just dont know how
1525 2011-05-03 15:37:21 <gavinandresen> make you auth to do what?
1526 2011-05-03 15:37:34 <BlueMatt> ie instead of gpg on -otc, use your bitcoin sign
1527 2011-05-03 15:37:46 <BlueMatt> that kind of auth
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1529 2011-05-03 15:38:18 <TD> i don't get it
1530 2011-05-03 15:38:24 <gavinandresen> I don't see the risk, and I see lots of benefits to being able to prove "I have the private key(s) corresponding to this/these bitcoin address(es)"
1531 2011-05-03 15:38:27 <BlueMatt> dont get what?
1532 2011-05-03 15:38:29 <TD> being able to send a message proving you are the same identity that controls a bunch of coins is very useful
1533 2011-05-03 15:38:51 <TD> the reason the PGP web of trust never really took off is that "reputation" is a very nebulous thing, but that's really all you could build with pki
1534 2011-05-03 15:39:13 <TD> now keys control value, you can swap out "i have good reputation" for "i have coins" and that makes all kinds of new trade possible
1535 2011-05-03 15:39:15 <BlueMatt> No I agree, it is very useful (and should be merged).  But I also agree with satoshi that bitcoin addresses shouldnt start being used for all sorts of crazy things
1536 2011-05-03 15:39:25 <gavinandresen> Open auditing of services like ClearCoin or MyBitcoin become possible
1537 2011-05-03 15:39:26 <TD> *shrug* they are just keypairs.
1538 2011-05-03 15:39:37 <EvanR> TD: isnt reputation just as important as having money?
1539 2011-05-03 15:39:59 <TD> BlueMatt: there's nothing magical about a bitcoin key. why should i have to create two and link them via some third party site?
1540 2011-05-03 15:40:00 <BlueMatt> TD: I disagree with that.  Technically, obviously, but realistically...
1541 2011-05-03 15:41:03 <BlueMatt> They are just keypairs, yes, but I just see when everything is authed with my bitcoin address...and that doesnt sit well with me at all
1542 2011-05-03 15:41:28 <edcba> the problem is keeping track of keys
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1544 2011-05-03 15:41:43 <BlueMatt> edcba: how is that a problem?
1545 2011-05-03 15:42:02 <BlueMatt> (or with satoshi for that matter)
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1547 2011-05-03 15:44:09 <nefario> I have a question regarding transaction fees (again, silly me)
1548 2011-05-03 15:44:11 <nanotube> oh, so client now has option to sign arbitrary messages with selected address's keys?
1549 2011-05-03 15:44:13 <nanotube> is that it?
1550 2011-05-03 15:44:27 <nanotube> has that been merged in?
1551 2011-05-03 15:44:32 <BlueMatt> the messages are sha256d before signing right?
1552 2011-05-03 15:44:55 <tcoppi> what was satoshi's problem with it?
1553 2011-05-03 15:44:56 <luke-jr> IMO, the client should include a timestamp too
1554 2011-05-03 15:44:57 <nefario> I set the fee in the bitcoind config file to be 0.01btc, only to find for one transaction that the fee was 0.01299910btc
1555 2011-05-03 15:45:09 <nefario> is this normal activity?
1556 2011-05-03 15:45:12 <luke-jr> nefario: that sounds like an old version with bugs
1557 2011-05-03 15:45:33 <luke-jr> or a low balance
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1559 2011-05-03 15:48:14 <topi`> anyone here an expert of writing optimized SSE2 asm for sha256?
1560 2011-05-03 15:48:28 <topi`> I'd like to write a NEON optimized sha256 in assembler, I suppose nobody has yet done that.
1561 2011-05-03 15:48:32 <BlueMatt> ok my solution to make this slightly more palatable...add better hashing.  Currently the thing signs the hash using a predetermined formula.  Can we add the address as a salt?
1562 2011-05-03 15:48:50 <BlueMatt> That way it isnt vulnerable to a rainbox table + known plaintext attack?
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1564 2011-05-03 15:50:28 <nefario> luke-jr how do you query the version?
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1566 2011-05-03 15:52:11 <nefario> using getinfo my version is "version" : 32002,
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1568 2011-05-03 15:52:25 <nefario> my balace os 257btc
1569 2011-05-03 15:52:28 <nefario> is
1570 2011-05-03 15:54:58 <luke-jr> topi`: NEON != SSE2
1571 2011-05-03 15:55:02 <nefario> anyone?
1572 2011-05-03 15:55:21 <luke-jr> nefario: that's old
1573 2011-05-03 15:55:44 <nefario> I see
1574 2011-05-03 16:01:29 <topi`> luke-jr: i'm pretty well aware of that since I've coded some routines in NEON. but I'd just need to see what kind of tricks, bit shifts etc are done in the SSE2 code.
1575 2011-05-03 16:01:54 <topi`> and if I can reproduce them using the NEON insn set.
1576 2011-05-03 16:02:24 <luke-jr> take a look at cpuminer ?
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1578 2011-05-03 16:02:59 <luke-jr> topi`: based on the C algo on ARM, a NEON optimized version might have some good potential
1579 2011-05-03 16:03:45 <luke-jr> If I opened BitGit up to push repositories, would anyone use it?
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1581 2011-05-03 16:04:36 <soultcer> What's bitgit?
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1583 2011-05-03 16:05:25 <topi`> luke-jr: I just got myself a Genesi EfikaMX smartbook (cortex-a8 800mhz) so I'd like to test it out ;)
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1585 2011-05-03 16:06:11 <luke-jr> soultcer: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin
1586 2011-05-03 16:06:26 <luke-jr> topi`: I have 6 of the non-smartbook boards
1587 2011-05-03 16:06:58 <luke-jr> topi`: #efika exists btw
1588 2011-05-03 16:07:44 <soultcer> Hehe cool, a git hosting service just for bitcoins
1589 2011-05-03 16:08:45 <topi`> luke-jr: so did you find out any use for those? :)
1590 2011-05-03 16:10:38 <luke-jr> topi`: not really. was originally going to port Mer
1591 2011-05-03 16:10:41 <luke-jr> but Mer kinda died :/
1592 2011-05-03 16:10:51 <luke-jr> stupid nokia
1593 2011-05-03 16:11:25 <luke-jr> soultcer: well, right now it's mirror-only
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1595 2011-05-03 16:11:37 <luke-jr> soultcer: wondering if anyone would use it for hosting if I enabled push
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1597 2011-05-03 16:12:17 <soultcer> luke-jr: Well since it's git the "mirror" part doesn't make much difference. Wheter I pull from the official source or from your mirror, it will always be the same
1598 2011-05-03 16:12:31 <luke-jr> soultcer: yeah, but you can't manually push to it I mean
1599 2011-05-03 16:13:06 <soultcer> Hehe I could push my very incomplete bitcoin implementation of ruby
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1601 2011-05-03 16:13:23 <lianj> soultcer: same here :D
1602 2011-05-03 16:13:37 <soultcer> My last commit on that is from over a year ago, beat that :P
1603 2011-05-03 16:13:39 <luke-jr> you implemented Ruby in a Bitcoin script?
1604 2011-05-03 16:13:53 <soultcer> I implemented communications between nodes, nothing more
1605 2011-05-03 16:14:00 <soultcer> Was too lazy to continue
1606 2011-05-03 16:14:13 <lianj> soultcer: using eventmachine?
1607 2011-05-03 16:14:35 <soultcer> Nah, just normal ruby sockets, though I guess adding eventmachine wouldn't be much trouble
1608 2011-05-03 16:14:41 <soultcer> Unfortunately the implementation is kinda broken
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1613 2011-05-03 16:27:52 <nanotube> BlueMatt: the point of pubkey crypto, is that even knowing the plaintext, and the public key, you cannot derive the private key.
1614 2011-05-03 16:28:08 <BlueMatt> nanotube: doesnt mean it always works out that way
1615 2011-05-03 16:28:22 <devrandom> MattBlue , gavinandresen - sorry, I read gavin's comment yesterday wrong, I thought he wanted to get out of linux builds as of this release.
1616 2011-05-03 16:28:36 <BlueMatt> plus there is no reason to not add a bit more security
1617 2011-05-03 16:28:40 <BlueMatt> just add a bit more salt
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1619 2011-05-03 16:29:55 <x5x> BlueMatt, you're worried that someoen will get the private key by having the public key and the plaintext ?
1620 2011-05-03 16:30:27 <BlueMatt> x5x: no, known plaintext + pubkey + signed = privkey
1621 2011-05-03 16:30:38 <BlueMatt> after you have gotten a couple thousand plaintexts
1622 2011-05-03 16:31:29 <x5x> BlueMatt, do you know of anyone who's ever actually successfully performed an attack like that ?
1623 2011-05-03 16:31:41 <BlueMatt> not on ecdsa, but on rsa yes
1624 2011-05-03 16:31:58 <x5x> link ?
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1626 2011-05-03 16:32:10 <ninjaneo> its not that hard with rsa because they're relative primes
1627 2011-05-03 16:32:12 <ninjaneo> p and q
1628 2011-05-03 16:32:34 <BlueMatt> yes, I know ecdsa is very different and its not a known attack, but what is wrong with more salt?
1629 2011-05-03 16:32:51 <BlueMatt> you never know what might happen in the future and more security is always better
1630 2011-05-03 16:32:57 <x5x> can u show me the rsa one ?
1631 2011-05-03 16:32:57 <ninjaneo> im not opposed, but its probably safe for the next 10-20 years
1632 2011-05-03 16:33:20 <BlueMatt> and what about if bitcoin lasts more than 10 years?
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1634 2011-05-03 16:33:40 <BlueMatt> x5x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen-ciphertext_attack
1635 2011-05-03 16:34:05 <BlueMatt> depends on your padding scheme, but it is fairly easy against a poorly-padded rsa
1636 2011-05-03 16:34:08 <gavinandresen> Ciphertext isn't chosen, though-- patch signs the hash of the salt+message
1637 2011-05-03 16:34:19 <edcba> which salt are you talking about ?
1638 2011-05-03 16:34:21 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: currently, no salt
1639 2011-05-03 16:34:32 <gavinandresen> Hmm?  it salts with fixed string
1640 2011-05-03 16:34:40 <BlueMatt> and what about a rainbow table?
1641 2011-05-03 16:34:51 <gavinandresen> For sha256?  good luck with that
1642 2011-05-03 16:34:58 <BlueMatt> they exist
1643 2011-05-03 16:35:08 <BlueMatt> (obviously not _all_ possibilities but many)
1644 2011-05-03 16:35:24 <BlueMatt> plus we have to be secure against very large attackers 10 years down the road
1645 2011-05-03 16:35:35 <ninjaneo> if rainbow table for sha-2 exists, bitcoins has bigger problems
1646 2011-05-03 16:35:45 <edcba> lol
1647 2011-05-03 16:35:49 <BlueMatt> why not add a dynamic salt, that way even if sha256 is partially broken it still is secure
1648 2011-05-03 16:36:00 <lianj> ninjaneo: where to save this table :D
1649 2011-05-03 16:36:11 <ninjaneo> lol lets save it in a distributed p2p network fashion
1650 2011-05-03 16:36:18 <ninjaneo> so no one has to have terabytes of storage
1651 2011-05-03 16:36:21 <ninjaneo> ;)
1652 2011-05-03 16:36:23 <lianj> haha oO
1653 2011-05-03 16:36:43 * BlueMatt thinks bitcoin is just a plot to find a sha256 that is just 0000000....
1654 2011-05-03 16:36:49 <xelister> 0.5 - 2 BTC: to give me bash script to unfaggotize file names (make them fat32 compatible, just ascii, space to _ and other specials to _. ALSO make it solve resulting name collisions by adding some suffix like -3 -4 -5 etc).  anyone?
1655 2011-05-03 16:36:59 <x5x> unfaggotize haha
1656 2011-05-03 16:37:02 <ninjaneo> it does put a "bet" on the security of sha2
1657 2011-05-03 16:37:25 <BlueMatt> I prefer to add as much as possible to my hashes
1658 2011-05-03 16:38:16 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt:  I just don't see a viable attack.  If you're worried, then don't expose the functionality and/or don't use services that expose the functionality.
1659 2011-05-03 16:38:32 <ninjaneo> lol
1660 2011-05-03 16:38:41 <ninjaneo> i think int he future bitcoin will switch to a larger hash
1661 2011-05-03 16:38:55 <luke-jr> xelister: what controls the price?
1662 2011-05-03 16:39:09 <xelister> luke-jr: negotiation. anyone will do it at 1 ?
1663 2011-05-03 16:39:15 <ninjaneo> lol
1664 2011-05-03 16:39:17 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: I dont disagree that there is no current viable attack, but in the future I can see many...
1665 2011-05-03 16:39:30 <ninjaneo> yeah in the future, when i get my quantum computer
1666 2011-05-03 16:39:34 <ninjaneo> you're all fucked, all the bitcoins are mine
1667 2011-05-03 16:39:35 <ninjaneo> =p
1668 2011-05-03 16:39:37 <BlueMatt> well that too
1669 2011-05-03 16:40:05 <ninjaneo> but in the mean time it puts money on "advancing cryptography"
1670 2011-05-03 16:40:10 <ninjaneo> which im down with
1671 2011-05-03 16:40:57 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt:  if we spend all our time worrying about what might happen in the future we'll get nothing done today.
1672 2011-05-03 16:41:26 <ninjaneo> and in the future we'll loose what we've worked to achieve ;p
1673 2011-05-03 16:41:41 <BlueMatt> alright fine, but can we just add the address being used to sign as an additional salt just to add a tiny bit more?
1674 2011-05-03 16:41:51 <xelister> luke-jr: doing it?
1675 2011-05-03 16:41:59 <luke-jr> xelister: maybe when you offer more
1676 2011-05-03 16:42:03 <ninjaneo> wouldn't that fuck up all previous transactions?
1677 2011-05-03 16:42:09 <ninjaneo> its too late to switch now
1678 2011-05-03 16:42:32 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt:  who is "we"?  Talk to khalahan....
1679 2011-05-03 16:42:41 <gavinandresen> (more salt is fine with me)
1680 2011-05-03 16:42:42 <xelister> ninjaneo: nahm just apply rule after block N
1681 2011-05-03 16:42:54 <ninjaneo> yeah but the hashes could collide
1682 2011-05-03 16:44:27 <ninjaneo> come to think of it thats probably why they used a fixed salt
1683 2011-05-03 16:45:29 <xelister> [18:38:28] <twkm> your offer to pay via that non-currency.
1684 2011-05-03 16:45:41 <xelister> ^- on #bash response to microbounty...
1685 2011-05-03 16:45:59 <ninjaneo> shall we join #bash and bash them
1686 2011-05-03 16:46:10 <BlueMatt> ninjaneo: what are you even talking about, hashes could collide now.  If we have to move to a stronger hashing algo
1687 2011-05-03 16:46:16 <BlueMatt> (ie more bits) it cant collide
1688 2011-05-03 16:46:22 <BlueMatt> (with the existing stuff)
1689 2011-05-03 16:46:39 <grbgout> BlueMatt: hey, I noticed you checked my version over the weekend.  Was there something in particular I can help you with?
1690 2011-05-03 16:46:51 <ninjaneo> talking about hash(a+b) could colide with hash(a+b+c)
1691 2011-05-03 16:46:51 <xelister> ninjaneo: Im trying to convince him but no luck I guess
1692 2011-05-03 16:46:57 <luke-jr> xelister: 2 BTC yet?
1693 2011-05-03 16:47:21 <x5x> ninjaneo, the idea is hash(x) will "never" collide with hash(y) where x != y
1694 2011-05-03 16:47:25 <BlueMatt> ninjaneo: that could always happen, but with 256 bits its so unlikely we dont really need to worry about it
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1697 2011-05-03 16:47:44 <ninjaneo> well im saying a changing salt could match the plaintext of a current hash
1698 2011-05-03 16:47:59 <ninjaneo> but yeah it does seem unlikely
1699 2011-05-03 16:48:05 <x5x> so yea, you'd have to be careful taht a+b can never equal a+b+c
1700 2011-05-03 16:48:05 <luke-jr> xelister: fwiw, I have working one-liner.
1701 2011-05-03 16:48:17 <xelister> luke-jr: recurses dirs, renames in place?
1702 2011-05-03 16:48:30 <grbgout> BlueMatt: I'll take that as a no.
1703 2011-05-03 16:48:35 <luke-jr> xelister: mmm, no dirs yet
1704 2011-05-03 16:48:36 <xelister> kills trailing spaces?  resolves conflicts like  "a " and "a    " -->  a-1  a-2
1705 2011-05-03 16:48:48 <luke-jr> can do
1706 2011-05-03 16:48:58 <ninjaneo> x5x thats what i was trying to get at, like if b was 0 (oversimplified)
1707 2011-05-03 16:48:59 <xelister> 1.5 for version that does all above ;)
1708 2011-05-03 16:49:10 <ninjaneo> or c rather
1709 2011-05-03 16:49:17 <x5x> ninjaneo, yea, thats def something to watc out for
1710 2011-05-03 16:49:25 <BlueMatt> grbgout: I did what to your what?
1711 2011-05-03 16:49:36 <luke-jr> xelister: pfft
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1713 2011-05-03 16:49:48 <grbgout> BlueMatt: 16:51:13 BlueMatt [~matt@unaffiliated/bluematt] requested CTCP VERSION from grbgout:
1714 2011-05-03 16:49:58 <BlueMatt> ninjaneo: two equal length strings are not guaranteed to not hav the same strings at all
1715 2011-05-03 16:50:02 <grbgout> it was on may 1st
1716 2011-05-03 16:50:14 <BlueMatt> grbgout: oh, sorry just did a version poll
1717 2011-05-03 16:50:26 <BlueMatt> (as there was some discussion of irc clients on -otc and I was interested)
1718 2011-05-03 16:50:44 <ninjaneo> i know, just trying to point out something to consider
1719 2011-05-03 16:50:53 <grbgout> gotchya, results published anywhere?  Could be interesting.
1720 2011-05-03 16:51:05 <grbgout> What's the latest on the ddos on mtgox?
1721 2011-05-03 16:51:14 <BlueMatt> grbgout: yea I pastebinned them somewhere, you would have to dig up the link on the logs
1722 2011-05-03 16:51:23 <BlueMatt> grbgout: new server hardware is online irrc
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1724 2011-05-03 16:51:28 <grbgout> BlueMatt: don't worry about it, if it was in a channel I'm in I have'em in my logs.
1725 2011-05-03 16:51:45 <grbgout> Did they catch whomever done it?
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1727 2011-05-03 16:52:21 <BlueMatt> grbgout: some russians wanted him to pay to make it stop (there is strong support for the idea that btcex is either involved or knows exactly who is doing it)
1728 2011-05-03 16:52:32 <grbgout> wow
1729 2011-05-03 16:52:53 <ninjaneo> lol dont negotiate with terrorists
1730 2011-05-03 16:53:09 <ninjaneo> get a host with ddos protection
1731 2011-05-03 16:53:13 <ninjaneo> like www.encept.com
1732 2011-05-03 16:53:17 <BlueMatt> nope, hes just upgrading servers with the 5000 he would have to pay to the russians ;)
1733 2011-05-03 16:53:25 <ninjaneo> good
1734 2011-05-03 16:53:54 <grbgout> BlueMatt: is there evidence that ties btcex into it, and if so is it mostly circumstantial?
1735 2011-05-03 16:54:08 <grbgout> s/mostly circumstantial/circumstantial at all/
1736 2011-05-03 16:54:40 <BlueMatt> mostly circumstantial, bad comments and potential knowledge of the event before mt spoke about it/it started
1737 2011-05-03 16:54:43 <ninjaneo> or if they're ddossing a host, which most noobs do, change the dns to btcex and see if it stops
1738 2011-05-03 16:54:44 <ninjaneo> =
1739 2011-05-03 16:54:45 <ninjaneo> =p
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1741 2011-05-03 16:54:55 <grbgout> ninjaneo: lol
1742 2011-05-03 16:55:04 <grbgout> BlueMatt: hmm
1743 2011-05-03 16:55:32 <BlueMatt> youll have to ask around for more.  I just saw one or two comments by him and spoke with mt on the issue
1744 2011-05-03 16:55:40 <grbgout> gotchya
1745 2011-05-03 16:57:19 <noagendamarket> maybe it was the guy who claimed mt gox owed him 45 000
1746 2011-05-03 16:57:40 <noagendamarket> that would do it for motivation...
1747 2011-05-03 16:57:42 <BlueMatt> no I think that was long ago resolved
1748 2011-05-03 16:57:50 <xelister> luke-jr: since you joined #bah might as well say something?
1749 2011-05-03 16:58:50 <grbgout> Well, whomever is responsible cost me a few bit-pence.  I wanted to sell the 3 BTC I sent ot mtgox during the 2.65 spike when the price started goin' down, and hit 3.88 --- could have bought today at 3.11.  Big moniez, I know ;)
1750 2011-05-03 16:59:05 <grbgout> s/down,/down/
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1752 2011-05-03 17:00:17 <grbgout> Erm, is anyone aware of an mtgox specific discussion channel, per chance? -otc doesn't quite cut it.
1753 2011-05-03 17:00:29 <ninjaneo> xelister, try the program "detox"
1754 2011-05-03 17:00:41 <ninjaneo> The detox utility renames files to make them easier to work with. It removes spaces and other such annoyances. It'll also translate or cleanup Latin-1 (ISO 8859-1) characters encoded in 8-bit ASCII, Unicode characters encoded in UTF-8, and CGI escaped characters.
1755 2011-05-03 17:00:48 <xelister> ninjaneo: sounsd cool, wait
1756 2011-05-03 17:00:48 <luke-jr> xelister: so 2 BTC?
1757 2011-05-03 17:01:33 <appamatto> What is going on with btc prices!?
1758 2011-05-03 17:01:39 <appamatto> $3.50!?
1759 2011-05-03 17:01:50 <ninjaneo> xelister, furthermore see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4721249/recursively-normalize-filenames for why bash sucks at doing this shit itself
1760 2011-05-03 17:02:19 <Diablo-D3> heh
1761 2011-05-03 17:02:24 <Diablo-D3> I want to boycott stackoverflow
1762 2011-05-03 17:02:28 <Diablo-D3> its apparently written in c#
1763 2011-05-03 17:02:30 <ninjaneo> ew
1764 2011-05-03 17:02:37 <ninjaneo> it has a good userbase tho
1765 2011-05-03 17:02:44 <Diablo-D3> http://highscalability.com/blog/2011/5/2/stack-overflow-makes-slow-pages-100x-faster-by-simple-sql-tu.html
1766 2011-05-03 17:03:35 <ninjaneo> i've been using django lately, and I am really upset by how hard they make it to do any type of useful querry
1767 2011-05-03 17:03:44 <ninjaneo> (group, count/ max / avg etc)
1768 2011-05-03 17:03:47 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: don't want to register just to read crap
1769 2011-05-03 17:03:47 <xelister> appamatto: its skyrocketing =)
1770 2011-05-03 17:03:52 <ninjaneo> subqurries are almost impossible
1771 2011-05-03 17:03:58 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: well, its not like you can register anyhow
1772 2011-05-03 17:04:03 <Diablo-D3> they use openid
1773 2011-05-03 17:04:06 <luke-jr> xelister: find|perl -nle '($o)=m~([^/]*)$~;$o=~s/(["\\])/\\$1/g;s/\s+//;s~[^\w/.]~_~g;m~^(.*/)?~;$o="$1$o";next if $o eq $_;s/(?:\-(\d+))?$/"-".($1+1)/e while -e;system "mv -v \"$o\" \"$_\""'
1774 2011-05-03 17:04:20 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: btw, this is why god invented sql
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1776 2011-05-03 17:04:28 <ninjaneo> lol
1777 2011-05-03 17:04:33 <xelister> I have no idea what that command does :-o
1778 2011-05-03 17:04:38 <xelister> lol, oh perl you.
1779 2011-05-03 17:04:40 <luke-jr> xelister: what you asked for
1780 2011-05-03 17:04:47 <lianj> haha
1781 2011-05-03 17:04:54 <ninjaneo> perl is gross
1782 2011-05-03 17:04:56 <Diablo-D3> .... woah, I know perl and I... think I know what that does.
1783 2011-05-03 17:05:00 <ninjaneo> look how unreadable that shit is
1784 2011-05-03 17:05:00 <ninjaneo> haha
1785 2011-05-03 17:05:03 <ninjaneo> i mean sure its powerful
1786 2011-05-03 17:05:04 <Diablo-D3> thats an abortion, even for perl
1787 2011-05-03 17:05:07 <luke-jr> lol
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1789 2011-05-03 17:06:15 <ninjaneo> oh it escapes all non word chars
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1792 2011-05-03 17:09:02 <ninjaneo> Diablo-D3, i find myself doing my own sql qurries using the db cursor more and more often ;D
1793 2011-05-03 17:09:13 <xelister> ninjaneo: thanks, detox worked as expected it seems mostly (without the trailing space but ok.. ) ... want 0.5 for the tip?
1794 2011-05-03 17:09:23 <ninjaneo> na free
1795 2011-05-03 17:09:23 <ninjaneo> ;D
1796 2011-05-03 17:09:30 <ninjaneo> send it to luke-jr
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1798 2011-05-03 17:09:51 <xelister> rly?  ok  luke-jr want 0.5?  and +1 trust eachother?
1799 2011-05-03 17:10:00 <luke-jr> xelister: you offered 1.5 at least :P
1800 2011-05-03 17:10:10 * BlueMatt is away: Away
1801 2011-05-03 17:10:21 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: well, this is why I use JQL
1802 2011-05-03 17:10:50 <Diablo-D3> jql == jpa's sql variant that just uses the names of your POJOs to mask table and column names
1803 2011-05-03 17:10:54 <ninjaneo> Diablo-D3, i do something like Table.objects.all().count() and django does a SELECT * from `table`; Pulls it into some type of iterable object/array. And then gets the length
1804 2011-05-03 17:10:55 <ninjaneo> hahah
1805 2011-05-03 17:10:57 <xelister> luke-jr: are you kiding me? :) I didnt bought your solition, I actually just used detox anyway, Im just doing it just for the karma since you tried to sell me
1806 2011-05-03 17:11:03 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: wtf
1807 2011-05-03 17:11:08 <Diablo-D3> thats insane
1808 2011-05-03 17:11:13 <luke-jr> xelister: 15E7dUVbZFGY2SFCHd711qAD5C7h3k8w9o
1809 2011-05-03 17:11:23 <ninjaneo> yeah. Its horrible
1810 2011-05-03 17:12:13 <Diablo-D3> SELECT count(foo) FROM Bar foo WHERE foo.baz =:quux ORDER BY foo.qax DESC
1811 2011-05-03 17:12:15 <Diablo-D3> for example
1812 2011-05-03 17:12:27 <Diablo-D3> er, ignore the order by
1813 2011-05-03 17:12:29 <luke-jr> …
1814 2011-05-03 17:12:35 <luke-jr> was about to say… :P
1815 2011-05-03 17:12:41 <ninjaneo> lol
1816 2011-05-03 17:12:42 * Diablo-D3 was copypasting from code, forgot to scrub
1817 2011-05-03 17:12:53 <ninjaneo> ill have to look into it jql.
1818 2011-05-03 17:13:03 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: yeah, but you have to use... TEH JAVAS
1819 2011-05-03 17:13:06 <ninjaneo> :quux i assume is some variable?
1820 2011-05-03 17:13:08 <ninjaneo> oh
1821 2011-05-03 17:13:08 <ninjaneo> ew
1822 2011-05-03 17:13:18 <Diablo-D3> its a named query
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1824 2011-05-03 17:13:37 <ninjaneo> i started making a java sprite game
1825 2011-05-03 17:13:46 <ninjaneo> http://sporeskool.com/~ninja/zday/
1826 2011-05-03 17:13:47 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: you probably did it wrong
1827 2011-05-03 17:13:56 <Diablo-D3> use slick2D
1828 2011-05-03 17:14:02 <ninjaneo> not Graphics2D?
1829 2011-05-03 17:14:16 <Diablo-D3> imagine slick2D as the closest you can get to SDL for Java
1830 2011-05-03 17:14:24 <xelister> luke-jr: yes I seen your addr no worries ;) btw  greycat is seriously going to kill you in a second imo =)
1831 2011-05-03 17:14:26 <Diablo-D3> without being exceedingly dumb about it ,anyways
1832 2011-05-03 17:14:49 <Diablo-D3> slick2D uses lwjgl, so yay 3D accel when avail
1833 2011-05-03 17:14:53 <ninjaneo> ahhh nie
1834 2011-05-03 17:14:54 <ninjaneo> ce
1835 2011-05-03 17:15:10 <Diablo-D3> NEVER use java's native stuff for games
1836 2011-05-03 17:15:19 <ninjaneo> you can see the source if you want at http://sporeskool.com/~ninja/zday.zip
1837 2011-05-03 17:15:22 <luke-jr> NEVER use java period
1838 2011-05-03 17:15:24 <ninjaneo> lol
1839 2011-05-03 17:15:28 <ninjaneo> yeah I'm not a fan of java
1840 2011-05-03 17:15:53 <ninjaneo> i might end up making it simpler and using websockets and javascript
1841 2011-05-03 17:15:57 <ninjaneo> with html5 canvas etc
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1843 2011-05-03 17:17:09 <ninjaneo> i <3 python
1844 2011-05-03 17:17:42 * luke-jr stabs Python with a pitchfork
1845 2011-05-03 17:17:42 <xelister> luke-jr: why ever java
1846 2011-05-03 17:18:49 <ninjaneo> OUCH
1847 2011-05-03 17:18:53 <ninjaneo> whats your beef with python
1848 2011-05-03 17:19:11 <ninjaneo> its cross platform w.o any headache, efficient, compiles into bytecode
1849 2011-05-03 17:19:12 <Diablo-D3> java runs extremely fast
1850 2011-05-03 17:19:29 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure why anyone would go with anything else
1851 2011-05-03 17:19:30 <luke-jr> ninjaneo: yeah right
1852 2011-05-03 17:19:32 <lianj> ninjaneo: python's pegs
1853 2011-05-03 17:19:34 <ninjaneo> idk why i dont like java.. i just dont
1854 2011-05-03 17:19:43 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: probably because you never learned it
1855 2011-05-03 17:19:51 <xelister> maybe it was too have and bulky when ou fist meet it?
1856 2011-05-03 17:20:04 <xelister> was my impression too... but I guess I can live with it
1857 2011-05-03 17:20:08 <luke-jr> ninjaneo: besides being a pain to write, Python is a pain to cross-compile, inefficient, and doesn't compile to native bytecode
1858 2011-05-03 17:20:11 <ninjaneo> yeah, i guess i didn't like their "standard library" seemed absurdly named/organized
1859 2011-05-03 17:20:18 <xelister> perhaps its too bulkier then other comparable languages like C++
1860 2011-05-03 17:20:24 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: if you're from windows land, sure
1861 2011-05-03 17:20:30 <ninjaneo> im a nixer
1862 2011-05-03 17:20:45 <Diablo-D3> java's base class library is well organized
1863 2011-05-03 17:20:57 <ninjaneo> pain to cross compile python? =o
1864 2011-05-03 17:21:05 <luke-jr> yes
1865 2011-05-03 17:21:10 <ninjaneo> its a script, and before it runs it compiles into pyc
1866 2011-05-03 17:21:12 <luke-jr> I can cross-compile C and Qt no problem
1867 2011-05-03 17:21:19 <ninjaneo> or you mean into COEF / ELF?
1868 2011-05-03 17:21:26 <luke-jr> ninjaneo: I mean into EXE
1869 2011-05-03 17:21:30 <ninjaneo> yeah k
1870 2011-05-03 17:21:36 <ninjaneo> PECOFF rather or wahtever the fuck exe it
1871 2011-05-03 17:21:37 <ninjaneo> is
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1873 2011-05-03 17:21:38 <Diablo-D3> the main flaw of C is that you have to compile it
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1875 2011-05-03 17:21:58 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: go away troll
1876 2011-05-03 17:22:13 <ninjaneo> there is a python -> exe thing from activestate that works pretty well, but it just bundles python librarys
1877 2011-05-03 17:22:33 <luke-jr> ninjaneo: for Linux?
1878 2011-05-03 17:22:39 <ninjaneo> wind
1879 2011-05-03 17:22:40 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: how am I a troll?
1880 2011-05-03 17:22:46 <Diablo-D3> I got tired of doing that fucking dance
1881 2011-05-03 17:23:01 <Diablo-D3> its easier to just write everything in java and let sun provide jvms for everyone
1882 2011-05-03 17:23:01 <ninjaneo> oh oh oh I see, you are in linux and want to make an executable. Yeah I think I'd have to use wine
1883 2011-05-03 17:23:21 <Diablo-D3> I use only linux
1884 2011-05-03 17:23:25 <luke-jr> ninjaneo: for my C programs, I just make WIN32=1
1885 2011-05-03 17:23:31 <ninjaneo> ahhh =)
1886 2011-05-03 17:23:34 <Diablo-D3> so if you would want windows binaries of my shit, you'd be building it yourself
1887 2011-05-03 17:23:40 <ninjaneo> i just install the python interperter for windows
1888 2011-05-03 17:23:42 <Diablo-D3> so its better for everyone if I just use java
1889 2011-05-03 17:23:42 <ninjaneo> ;x
1890 2011-05-03 17:23:55 <luke-jr> Java isn't Linux
1891 2011-05-03 17:24:02 <ninjaneo> which is the same as running a java vm
1892 2011-05-03 17:24:08 <luke-jr> Java is a crappy emulator that can't run natively basically anywhere
1893 2011-05-03 17:24:16 <ninjaneo> rofl
1894 2011-05-03 17:24:17 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: uh, except it does run natively.
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1896 2011-05-03 17:24:21 <Diablo-D3> also, what is it emulating?
1897 2011-05-03 17:24:22 <luke-jr> no
1898 2011-05-03 17:24:37 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: a virtual machine
1899 2011-05-03 17:24:38 <ninjaneo> it makes its own bytecode and runs a native interperter
1900 2011-05-03 17:24:41 <luke-jr> that's why it's called JVM
1901 2011-05-03 17:24:46 <lianj> jvm might outlive java :)
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1903 2011-05-03 17:24:49 <luke-jr> Java VIRTUAL MACHINE
1904 2011-05-03 17:24:58 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: I think you need to learn what VM means in the context of languages.
1905 2011-05-03 17:25:03 <luke-jr> it means crap
1906 2011-05-03 17:25:06 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: also, you must HATE python
1907 2011-05-03 17:25:11 <luke-jr> yes, I do
1908 2011-05-03 17:25:14 <Diablo-D3> since it cant even jit native code
1909 2011-05-03 17:25:20 <Diablo-D3> and its about 20 times slower than java
1910 2011-05-03 17:25:21 <Kiba> Diablo-D3 hates python and
1911 2011-05-03 17:25:22 <Kiba> ruby
1912 2011-05-03 17:25:30 <ninjaneo> python is not slower than java! thank you very much
1913 2011-05-03 17:25:38 <Diablo-D3> ninjaneo: yup, it pretty much is
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1916 2011-05-03 17:25:50 <ninjaneo> i challenge you to an efficiency duel
1917 2011-05-03 17:25:51 <ninjaneo> lol
1918 2011-05-03 17:25:57 <Kiba> wat about pypy?
1919 2011-05-03 17:26:01 <Diablo-D3> the internet already challenged itself to one
1920 2011-05-03 17:26:02 <kika> anyone can explain OP CHECKSIG ?
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1922 2011-05-03 17:26:07 <Diablo-D3> java is one of the fastest.
1923 2011-05-03 17:26:10 <Diablo-D3> kika: FOR GREAT JUSTICE
1924 2011-05-03 17:26:17 <ninjaneo> i code assembly because its easy.
1925 2011-05-03 17:26:18 <kika> Diablo-D3: ?
1926 2011-05-03 17:26:18 <ninjaneo> woot
1927 2011-05-03 17:26:24 <Kiba> it's also the most beaucractic language on the planet
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1929 2011-05-03 17:26:27 <Diablo-D3> I code opencl because its easy.
1930 2011-05-03 17:26:35 <ninjaneo> lol, i want to know opencl =(
1931 2011-05-03 17:26:45 <ninjaneo> i'd use Python's bindings
1932 2011-05-03 17:26:52 <ninjaneo> lulz
1933 2011-05-03 17:26:58 <Diablo-D3> I use java bindings.
1934 2011-05-03 17:27:10 <kika> Diablo-D3: great justice
1935 2011-05-03 17:27:11 <kika> ?
1936 2011-05-03 17:27:29 <Diablo-D3> kika: launch checksig!
1937 2011-05-03 17:27:40 <kika> Diablo-D3: where is it
1938 2011-05-03 17:27:42 <ninjaneo> I was really against java for awhile
1939 2011-05-03 17:27:52 <ninjaneo> because there was no 64 bit linux support
1940 2011-05-03 17:28:01 <lianj> Kiba: ruby is most enjoyable
1941 2011-05-03 17:28:01 <ninjaneo> that was a big wtf
1942 2011-05-03 17:28:13 * Diablo-D3 listens to The Laziest Men On Mars - Invasion Of The Gabber Robots
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1944 2011-05-03 17:28:47 <xelister> what the fuck are you listening to, Diablo-D3 =)
1945 2011-05-03 17:28:54 <ninjaneo> yay anonymous functions and list comprehension though, java has jack shit on that ;X
1946 2011-05-03 17:29:27 <Diablo-D3> erm, I use anonymous functions in java frequently.
1947 2011-05-03 17:29:31 <ninjaneo> fuck
1948 2011-05-03 17:29:40 <ninjaneo> thats what I get for dissing languages I don't know
1949 2011-05-03 17:30:26 <ninjaneo> any functionality similar to myArray = [x+123 for x in myOtherArray]
1950 2011-05-03 17:31:17 <topi`> xelister: I think I have a script just for your needs somewhere...
1951 2011-05-03 17:31:25 <Diablo-D3> http://69.93.111.150/albino_flash18/music/base%28www.albinoblacksheep.com%29.swf
1952 2011-05-03 17:31:27 <Diablo-D3> THE CLASSIC
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1954 2011-05-03 17:31:28 <Diablo-D3> xelister: ^
1955 2011-05-03 17:31:35 <lianj> ninjaneo: now thats just backward :P myOtherArray.each{|x| x+123 }
1956 2011-05-03 17:31:36 <topi`> xelister: at one time I was pretty pedant on not having spaces and such annoyances in my filenames, so I wrote a little script...
1957 2011-05-03 17:31:46 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,estimate]
1958 2011-05-03 17:31:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 145835.60152990 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 5 weeks, 2 days, 9 hours, 11 minutes, and 7 seconds
1959 2011-05-03 17:31:57 <ninjaneo> lol
1960 2011-05-03 17:31:58 <luke-jr> err
1961 2011-05-03 17:32:05 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
1962 2011-05-03 17:32:06 <xelister> topi`: oh that is already solved: detox program ( ninjaneo )
1963 2011-05-03 17:32:07 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 28189302.0194 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 4 hours, 38 minutes, and 29 seconds
1964 2011-05-03 17:32:16 <xelister> spaces are just evil
1965 2011-05-03 17:32:23 <Diablo-D3> also, re: python
1966 2011-05-03 17:32:30 <Diablo-D3> WHITESPACE IS NOT SYNTACTICALLY VALID
1967 2011-05-03 17:32:37 <luke-jr> xelister:
1968 2011-05-03 17:32:44 kika has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1969 2011-05-03 17:32:46 <ninjaneo> i love the whitespace having syntactic meaning
1970 2011-05-03 17:32:51 <xelister> btw python is crazy with forcing ident
1971 2011-05-03 17:32:54 <ninjaneo> it causes people to properly indent
1972 2011-05-03 17:33:07 <luke-jr> xelister: not only that, but Python's policy for indenting is totally backward
1973 2011-05-03 17:33:08 <ninjaneo> improves readability
1974 2011-05-03 17:33:22 <xelister> just like catholics used to caused people to have relligion properly, with fire and swrod ;)
1975 2011-05-03 17:33:23 <ninjaneo> haters ;P
1976 2011-05-03 17:33:25 <luke-jr> ninjaneo: find|perl -nle '($o)=m~([^/]*)$~;$o=~s/(["\\])/\\$1/g;s/\s+//;s~[^\w/.]~_~g;m~^(.*/)?~;$o="$1$o";next if $o eq $_;s/(?:\-(\d+))?$/"-".($1+1)/e while -e;system "mv -v \"$o\" \"$_\""'
1977 2011-05-03 17:33:43 <xelister> LANGUAGES THAT FORCE IDENT AND NEW LINES ON YOU
1978 2011-05-03 17:33:46 <topi`> xelister: does it do recursive increment on conflicting names? :)
1979 2011-05-03 17:33:46 <xelister> 1) python
1980 2011-05-03 17:33:48 <xelister> 2) VISUAL BASIC
1981 2011-05-03 17:33:51 <xelister> </list>
1982 2011-05-03 17:33:55 <ninjaneo> lol
1983 2011-05-03 17:34:05 <ninjaneo> visual basic doesn't force new lines
1984 2011-05-03 17:34:09 <xelister> topi`: im not sure, evnetually I resigned from that requirement... its good enught so far
1985 2011-05-03 17:34:10 <ninjaneo> you can use \
1986 2011-05-03 17:34:18 <topi`> xelister: indent is very useful in programming languages
1987 2011-05-03 17:34:19 <xelister> topi`: btw still we can look into my box.  I GOT IT WORKING WOOOOO \i/
1988 2011-05-03 17:34:38 <topi`> xelister: good. do you now get video on 1 card, or both?
1989 2011-05-03 17:34:38 <luke-jr> xelister: mine does that
1990 2011-05-03 17:34:40 <xelister> topi`: but well just the radones are really working, intell is doing nothing... still its open question how to have intell serve X and radeon also run X at sa,me time
1991 2011-05-03 17:35:05 <luke-jr> xelister: I already told u that
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1994 2011-05-03 17:37:42 <topi`> perhaps I should get into mining business myself as well, since nobody's selling me any bitcoins on #otc :/
1995 2011-05-03 17:38:15 <topi`> I wonder how cheap I could get a suitable mining platform with a cheap motherboard, good powersupply/fan and 2 radeons
1996 2011-05-03 17:39:00 <luke-jr> don't expect it to pay for itself
1997 2011-05-03 17:39:47 <topi`> in the long run, it should
1998 2011-05-03 17:40:15 <topi`> (assuming that the increase in difficulty will be offset by the increase in value of BTC)
1999 2011-05-03 17:40:30 <topi`> because every time the BTC value goes up, hordes of miners join the fun, and vice versa.
2000 2011-05-03 17:41:24 <xelister> luke-jr: btw me and nanotube are refering to you as trolololo =)
2001 2011-05-03 17:41:27 * xelister wowowoow
2002 2011-05-03 17:41:47 <netxshare> who ruins bitcoincharts.com?
2003 2011-05-03 17:41:52 <netxshare> ruins/runs
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2005 2011-05-03 17:42:24 <topi`> wtf is virwoxSLL ?
2006 2011-05-03 17:42:34 <netxshare> dunno
2007 2011-05-03 17:42:51 <netxshare> ;;isitdown bitcoincharts.com
2008 2011-05-03 17:42:52 <gribble> http://bitcoincharts.com Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
2009 2011-05-03 17:42:59 <netxshare> hrm
2010 2011-05-03 17:43:02 <netxshare> I must have an ipban
2011 2011-05-03 17:43:09 <luke-jr> topi`: VirWoX Second Life Linden dollars
2012 2011-05-03 17:43:17 <netxshare> guess not
2013 2011-05-03 17:43:21 <netxshare> that's what I was thinking
2014 2011-05-03 17:43:39 <netxshare> you can then sell those to linden for paypal
2015 2011-05-03 17:43:46 <netxshare> and no risk of charge back if I remember right
2016 2011-05-03 17:43:51 <netxshare> and second life is free
2017 2011-05-03 17:43:55 <nanotube> luke-jr: i'm not referring to you specifically as that. we're just discussing the rating system in general, fyi :)
2018 2011-05-03 17:44:05 <xelister> ;)
2019 2011-05-03 17:44:35 <luke-jr> nanotube: O.o?
2020 2011-05-03 17:44:44 <luke-jr> anyone read the crypto++ license? :
2021 2011-05-03 17:44:46 <luke-jr> :/
2022 2011-05-03 17:46:14 <luke-jr> it's actually somewhat dubious
2023 2011-05-03 17:46:54 <nanotube> luke-jr: just in reference to xe's statement above
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2025 2011-05-03 17:48:58 <edcba> topi`: at what price do you want to buy ? :)
2026 2011-05-03 17:49:04 <netxshare> I have seen a python program in oneline of code
2027 2011-05-03 17:49:11 <netxshare> that did many things
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2029 2011-05-03 17:50:31 <genjix> topi`: linden dollars
2030 2011-05-03 17:51:07 <genjix> netxshare: tcatm runs it
2031 2011-05-03 17:51:30 <ninjaneo> you guys ever seen "code golf"?
2032 2011-05-03 17:52:03 <ninjaneo> http://codegolf.com/
2033 2011-05-03 17:53:29 <tcatm> netxshare: is bitcoincharts still down for you?
2034 2011-05-03 17:55:31 <genjix> tcatm: it'd be cool if the graphs could show all time
2035 2011-05-03 17:56:09 <genjix> oh they can :p
2036 2011-05-03 17:57:00 <tcatm> yep and soon they'll even show market depth history
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2040 2011-05-03 17:59:03 <netxshare> ;;isitdown bitcoincharts.com
2041 2011-05-03 17:59:05 <gribble> http://bitcoincharts.com Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
2042 2011-05-03 17:59:08 <netxshare> wth
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2044 2011-05-03 18:00:37 <lianj> netxshare:  http://bitcoincharts.com/about/markets-api/
2045 2011-05-03 18:03:07 <topi`> edcba: i'm poor, i'll wait until BTC is back at $2.5 :)
2046 2011-05-03 18:04:32 <x5x> is wallet.dat always located in the 'datadir' ?
2047 2011-05-03 18:05:22 dust1 has joined
2048 2011-05-03 18:05:57 <chmod755> ;;isitdown paypal.com
2049 2011-05-03 18:06:00 <gribble> http://paypal.com Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
2050 2011-05-03 18:06:12 <chmod755> ;;shutdown paypal.com
2051 2011-05-03 18:06:12 <gribble> Error: "shutdown" is not a valid command.
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2053 2011-05-03 18:07:55 <ne0futur> bitcoincharts.com ok from here
2054 2011-05-03 18:08:15 <ne0futur> just one warning on dns http://www.zonecheck.fr/cgi-bin/zc-limited.cgi?zone=bitcoincharts.com
2055 2011-05-03 18:09:23 <genjix> i just upgraded a laptop to the new ubuntu and the login screen has slow keys, but not after being logged in... any suggestions?
2056 2011-05-03 18:09:42 ArtForzZz has joined
2057 2011-05-03 18:09:47 <ne0futur> textt login
2058 2011-05-03 18:09:50 <ne0futur> and then startx
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2064 2011-05-03 18:26:17 <netxshare> "volume": 1E+2,
2065 2011-05-03 18:26:25 <netxshare> ;;bc,bcm
2066 2011-05-03 18:26:25 <gribble> [{"pair": "BMBTC/BMUSD", "ask": "0.0", "bid": "2.9", "time": 1304446816}, {"pair": "BMBTC/BMAUD", "ask": "0.0", "bid": "0.0", "time": 1304446816}, {"pair": "BMBTC/BMGAU", "ask": "0.0231", "bid": "0.019", "time": 1304446816}, {"pair": "BMBTC/LRUSD", "ask": "0.85", "bid": "1.8", "time": 1304446816}, {"pair": "BMBTC/MBUSD", "ask": "0.85", "bid": "0.91", "time": 1304446816}, {"pair": (1 more message)
2067 2011-05-03 18:27:16 * BlueMatt is back (gone 01:17:06)
2068 2011-05-03 18:27:39 <netxshare> bleh something is wrong
2069 2011-05-03 18:28:11 <Buckbeak> I'm having trouble with the latest bitcoin not connecting to peers without addnode statements. Older version had no issues.
2070 2011-05-03 18:29:21 <BlueMatt> Buckbeak: anything in debug.log about irc?
2071 2011-05-03 18:29:52 <Buckbeak> I have to wait til I get home to check
2072 2011-05-03 18:31:10 <Buckbeak> Just wondered if others are having the same issues. It can't seem to jumpstart itself without me manually adding "known" IP's to addnodes.
2073 2011-05-03 18:31:50 <BlueMatt> not from what Ive heard, but making the outgoing connections from the irc list is often quite a fail
2074 2011-05-03 18:32:08 * BlueMatt just had an idea for a much better way of doing that...
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2078 2011-05-03 18:35:15 <dinox> nefario: Im having problems getting the glbse client work
2079 2011-05-03 18:35:25 <dinox> What are all the dependencies?
2080 2011-05-03 18:35:26 <nefario> ok
2081 2011-05-03 18:35:33 <nefario> what's your platform
2082 2011-05-03 18:35:42 <dinox> Mac os x 10.7
2083 2011-05-03 18:35:47 <nefario> oh
2084 2011-05-03 18:35:58 <nefario> that's a new one for me
2085 2011-05-03 18:36:03 <nefario> give me a minute
2086 2011-05-03 18:36:05 <dinox> ok
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2088 2011-05-03 18:38:21 <dinox> Error message: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/382359/
2089 2011-05-03 18:38:39 <dinox> I have installed M2Crypto and argparse
2090 2011-05-03 18:40:52 <nefario> pycurl
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2092 2011-05-03 18:40:55 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I just had a connection problem, and it went away. Did you restart bitcoind, or something?
2093 2011-05-03 18:41:18 <luke-jr> cosurgi: no
2094 2011-05-03 18:41:38 <nefario> also Ive only done this on python 2.7
2095 2011-05-03 18:41:44 <nefario> you've got 2.6
2096 2011-05-03 18:41:51 <dinox> aww hmm
2097 2011-05-03 18:42:01 <luke-jr> cosurgi: I might be hitting a sqlite bottleneck, if you mean a slight delay
2098 2011-05-03 18:42:12 <luke-jr> might need to move it to MySQL or smth
2099 2011-05-03 18:42:26 <nefario> try with pycurl
2100 2011-05-03 18:42:28 <xelister> luke-jr: sqllight problem? at what load? how many queries/sec
2101 2011-05-03 18:42:37 <nefario> if that doesnt work then get python 2.7
2102 2011-05-03 18:42:50 <luke-jr> ;;web fetch http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/pool/hashrate.php
2103 2011-05-03 18:42:50 <gribble> {"timedelta":300,"shares":1959,"hashrate":28046136442.88}
2104 2011-05-03 18:43:00 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 1959 / 300
2105 2011-05-03 18:43:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1959 / 300 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 2287 years, 17 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 11 minutes, and 12 seconds
2106 2011-05-03 18:43:03 <luke-jr> ;;calc 1959 / 300
2107 2011-05-03 18:43:03 <gribble> 1,959 / 300 = 6.53
2108 2011-05-03 18:43:06 <cosurgi> [03/05/2011 20:33:34] Result: 2048e185 accepted
2109 2011-05-03 18:43:06 <cosurgi> [03/05/2011 20:34:39] Warning: work queue empty, min
2110 2011-05-03 18:43:06 <cosurgi> er is idle
2111 2011-05-03 18:43:06 <cosurgi> [03/05/2011 20:34:41] Result: 6154cdee accepted
2112 2011-05-03 18:43:06 <cosurgi> [03/05/2011 20:34:47] Disconnected from server
2113 2011-05-03 18:43:08 <cosurgi> [0 KHs/s| 15 Ac| 0 Rj| 18 Un] [RPC (+LP)],2Unhandled error in Deferred:
2114 2011-05-03 18:43:10 <luke-jr> xelister: I guess about 7 per second
2115 2011-05-03 18:43:11 <cosurgi> Traceback (most recent call last):
2116 2011-05-03 18:43:13 <cosurgi> Failure: twisted.internet.error.TCPTimedOutError: TC
2117 2011-05-03 18:43:16 <cosurgi> P connect[03/05/2011 20:34:58] Connected to server
2118 2011-05-03 18:43:18 <cosurgi> [03/05/2011 20:35:07] Result: 6d122e54 accepted
2119 2011-05-03 18:43:19 <xelister> cosurgi: u mad?
2120 2011-05-03 18:43:24 <dinox> nefario: pycurl installed, same problem
2121 2011-05-03 18:43:26 <cosurgi> xelister: that's for luke-jr
2122 2011-05-03 18:43:36 <luke-jr> xelister: the bottleneck being when I select a lot of them
2123 2011-05-03 18:43:45 <dinox> you getting any info from this? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/382359/
2124 2011-05-03 18:44:50 <luke-jr> it takes 1.2 seconds to build the blocks now
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2126 2011-05-03 18:45:23 <nefario> dinox:investigating
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2128 2011-05-03 18:45:39 <cosurgi> luke-jr: actually 14 per second.
2129 2011-05-03 18:45:58 <cosurgi> luke-jr: assuming that nobody is using diablo miner, which is unlikely
2130 2011-05-03 18:46:09 <dinox> I'll try and install python 2.7 in the meantime
2131 2011-05-03 18:46:12 <luke-jr> cosurgi: ?
2132 2011-05-03 18:46:21 <luke-jr>         4    1.468    0.367    1.468    0.367 {method 'execute' of 'sqlite3.Cursor' objects}
2133 2011-05-03 18:46:42 <cosurgi> luke-jr: every getWork has roughly 50% chance for being solved. so your shares":1959 are actually minimum 2*1959 requests
2134 2011-05-03 18:46:47 <BlueMatt> thinking about time it takes to make initial connections: probably related to #nodes which dont accept incoming connections?
2135 2011-05-03 18:47:06 <luke-jr> cosurgi: but only shares access the db
2136 2011-05-03 18:47:07 <cosurgi> luke-jr: but diablo miner is requesting about four times more than it is solving.
2137 2011-05-03 18:47:09 <luke-jr> oh wait
2138 2011-05-03 18:47:10 <luke-jr> password lookups
2139 2011-05-03 18:47:13 <BlueMatt> some kind of check to ensure your node is accepting incoming connections before telling others?
2140 2011-05-03 18:47:21 <cosurgi> luke-jr: oh, ok.
2141 2011-05-03 18:47:34 <luke-jr> so maybe 14+ reads per sec, plus 7 writes
2142 2011-05-03 18:48:21 <cosurgi> luke-jr: you can ask slush about database stuff. He made a very fast database.
2143 2011-05-03 18:48:53 <cosurgi> luke-jr: catch him when he is around. I'm sure he will tell you something useful.
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2149 2011-05-03 18:51:01 <cosurgi> woo! we made a block :)
2150 2011-05-03 18:51:06 <luke-jr> yep
2151 2011-05-03 18:51:08 <luke-jr> no payout for me tho :|
2152 2011-05-03 18:51:19 <cosurgi> omg, why?
2153 2011-05-03 18:51:28 <luke-jr> only .99 BTC
2154 2011-05-03 18:51:31 <cosurgi> ouch
2155 2011-05-03 18:51:39 <luke-jr> getting .45 BTC per block it seems
2156 2011-05-03 18:52:17 <cosurgi> and again connection problem, very short one: Failure: twisted.internet.error.TCPTimedOutError: TCP
2157 2011-05-03 18:52:27 <cosurgi> that's phoenix, btw.
2158 2011-05-03 18:52:55 <luke-jr> hrm
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2160 2011-05-03 18:54:20 <cosurgi> I'm sure it wasn't happening in past few hours.
2161 2011-05-03 18:54:53 <cosurgi> I'm not sure about night. But in past few hours I was looking at miner output. It just started happening.
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2163 2011-05-03 18:56:56 <BlueMatt> anyone else tried to build with latest version w/ removed gui generate option?
2164 2011-05-03 18:57:08 <Diablo-D3> hrm
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2166 2011-05-03 18:57:17 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102932\
2167 2011-05-03 18:57:27 <luke-jr> cosurgi: IPv4 or v6?
2168 2011-05-03 18:57:28 <Diablo-D3> I bet I can fit my heatsink on that
2169 2011-05-03 18:57:46 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: did the auto-merge break the gui build?
2170 2011-05-03 18:58:53 <nefario> dinox: you need python 2.7
2171 2011-05-03 18:58:56 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: well on second thought its looking like build issues on my end, its not linking so must be stale, will clean and report
2172 2011-05-03 18:59:40 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gen 298000
2173 2011-05-03 18:59:41 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 298000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 2.73307643947 BTC per day and 0.113878184978 BTC per hour.
2174 2011-05-03 18:59:47 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
2175 2011-05-03 18:59:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121668 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1307 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 17 hours, 55 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 147627.01394467
2176 2011-05-03 18:59:55 <cosurgi> luke-jr: ipv4
2177 2011-05-03 18:59:56 <ersi> ;;bc,mtgox
2178 2011-05-03 19:00:06 <gribble> timed out
2179 2011-05-03 19:00:20 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gend 298000 [bc,estimate]
2180 2011-05-03 19:00:20 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 298000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 147627.01394467, is 2.03036591613 BTC per day and 0.0845985798388 BTC per hour.
2181 2011-05-03 19:00:58 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gend 298000 191915
2182 2011-05-03 19:00:58 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 298000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 191915, is 1.56182089683 BTC per day and 0.0650758707011 BTC per hour.
2183 2011-05-03 19:01:05 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: nope its broken, in ui.h:55 and uibase.h:102 references to OnMenuOptionsGenerate go nowhere
2184 2011-05-03 19:01:13 <BlueMatt> hence no linking
2185 2011-05-03 19:01:26 <BlueMatt> (possibly other such problems
2186 2011-05-03 19:01:35 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gend 298000 249489
2187 2011-05-03 19:01:35 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 298000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 249489, is 1.20140309759 BTC per day and 0.0500584623995 BTC per hour.
2188 2011-05-03 19:01:57 <luke-jr> hmm
2189 2011-05-03 19:02:03 <luke-jr> that price might be worth buying
2190 2011-05-03 19:02:30 <gavinandresen> Time to slap jgarzik with a wet noodle
2191 2011-05-03 19:02:40 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I just noticed that my worksize was 128, and it should be 64. Maybe that's why.
2192 2011-05-03 19:02:51 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I'll let you know in 5-10 minutes
2193 2011-05-03 19:03:13 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: ?
2194 2011-05-03 19:03:19 <cosurgi> I was experimenting with worksize, to measure speed, so maybe that';s why I got timeouts
2195 2011-05-03 19:03:30 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: current git isnt building due to issues after removing gui generate options
2196 2011-05-03 19:04:36 <bd_> People really shouldn't push untested code :|
2197 2011-05-03 19:04:54 <BlueMatt> bd_: it was tested, just not tested in its current form
2198 2011-05-03 19:05:01 <bd_> Okay, so untested then
2199 2011-05-03 19:05:04 <BlueMatt> (not pulled right)
2200 2011-05-03 19:05:16 <BlueMatt> bd_: I blame git
2201 2011-05-03 19:05:31 <bd_> BlueMatt: I blame whoever didn't run make on their merge before committing it :)
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2203 2011-05-03 19:05:58 <gavinandresen> But the new github "I can merge this for you right here" feature is so SEXY....
2204 2011-05-03 19:06:16 <BlueMatt> they have that now? nice.  Too bad I dont run any repos
2205 2011-05-03 19:06:18 <gavinandresen> (and the diff looked harmless enough)
2206 2011-05-03 19:06:29 <bd_> gavinandresen: Merge into a staging branch, pull it down, test, then push back :)
2207 2011-05-03 19:06:33 <bd_> You can even automate this
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2210 2011-05-03 19:06:48 <pwrcycle> BlueMatt: check your PM for a sec.
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2213 2011-05-03 19:07:10 <gavinandresen> bd_:  yeah yeah.  More fun to slap jgarzik with a wet noodle
2214 2011-05-03 19:08:40 <bd_> gavinandresen: It's not a fast-forward, so I think the responsibility still lies with the merger :)
2215 2011-05-03 19:08:41 <gavinandresen> ... and easily fixed
2216 2011-05-03 19:08:43 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * re5577d5 / (ui.h uibase.h): Fix broken build (remove declarations of GUI generate methods) - http://bit.ly/kANbEL
2217 2011-05-03 19:09:09 <bd_> but yeah, github's automerge thing sounds dangerous to me :/
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2219 2011-05-03 19:11:35 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: aaaaand...builds
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2222 2011-05-03 19:17:07 <cosurgi> luke-jr: it works now, with worksize 64. Sorry for false alarm.
2223 2011-05-03 19:17:37 <dinox> nefario: installed python 2.7, now im getting ImportError: No module named pycurl
2224 2011-05-03 19:17:49 <dinox> yes, i have installed pycurl
2225 2011-05-03 19:18:02 <nefario> you need to reinstall the modulefor pythn2.7
2226 2011-05-03 19:18:06 <nefario> i think :S
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2228 2011-05-03 19:18:37 <dinox> any way to see versoin of installed module?
2229 2011-05-03 19:18:51 <nefario> have no ideaIm not a python guy
2230 2011-05-03 19:18:59 <nefario> someone else did most of the client
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2232 2011-05-03 19:19:20 <dinox> aha
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2234 2011-05-03 19:19:37 <nefario> leave it for a couple of days, and I'll get someone working on it
2235 2011-05-03 19:19:48 <nefario> could be an openssl issue I don't know
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2237 2011-05-03 19:22:27 <dinox> ok
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2244 2011-05-03 19:31:33 <lyspooner> if my computer clock says it is 20 minutes ahead of everyone else's clock, will my transaction be accepted as valid?
2245 2011-05-03 19:31:57 <tcatm> yes
2246 2011-05-03 19:32:06 <tcatm> transactions don't have timestamps
2247 2011-05-03 19:32:10 <lyspooner> ok thx
2248 2011-05-03 19:33:14 <lyspooner> so then on bitcoinmonitor, does the website just timestamp a tx when it hears it?
2249 2011-05-03 19:33:47 <tcatm> yep
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2251 2011-05-03 19:34:17 <tcatm> once a tx made it into a block the block's timestamp is used
2252 2011-05-03 19:36:21 <lyspooner> that part makes sense, but just to be sure... on bitcoinmonitor.com, the website has a timestamp for transactions in between blocks, and i wanted to make sure i understood where the website was coming up with these timestamps
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2255 2011-05-03 19:38:04 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: har, I'd surprised you pulled at all -- I was still hunting around on IRC for somebody to give it an "it works" test
2256 2011-05-03 19:38:24 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: Im always around for such tasks ;)
2257 2011-05-03 19:38:33 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: so... does it work?  :)
2258 2011-05-03 19:38:42 <BlueMatt> lol
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2265 2011-05-03 19:52:53 <echelon> what is up with mtgox?
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2267 2011-05-03 19:53:48 <xelister> echelon: DDoS'd
2268 2011-05-03 19:53:57 <echelon> by whom
2269 2011-05-03 19:54:06 <BlueMatt> russians who want paid for it to stop
2270 2011-05-03 19:54:12 <BlueMatt> ie bounty
2271 2011-05-03 19:54:17 <echelon> should report it to feds
2272 2011-05-03 19:54:24 <echelon> is it btcex?
2273 2011-05-03 19:54:34 <BlueMatt> there are connections, nothing solid though
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2275 2011-05-03 19:54:53 <BlueMatt> MT is jpy, I think their govt has more to do than go after russian botnet operators
2276 2011-05-03 19:55:00 <echelon> why isn't there good ddos prevention on mtgox's box
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2278 2011-05-03 19:55:13 <echelon> hmm
2279 2011-05-03 19:55:14 <BlueMatt> echelon: because they never had to deal with it?
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2281 2011-05-03 19:55:31 <xelister> echelon: what's btcex
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2283 2011-05-03 19:55:35 <BlueMatt> Hes working on it and there are smart people offering help so, it should be ok
2284 2011-05-03 19:55:42 <BlueMatt> xelister: a competing exchange
2285 2011-05-03 19:55:45 <xelister> BlueMatt: drop ocean water on russians =)
2286 2011-05-03 19:55:51 <echelon> BlueMatt, it's an issue with the host, the host should offer the security
2287 2011-05-03 19:55:55 <echelon> ok
2288 2011-05-03 19:55:58 <BlueMatt> xelister: ouch, bit too soon
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2290 2011-05-03 19:56:16 <BlueMatt> echelon: yea I think hes changing hosts + adding more boxes etc
2291 2011-05-03 19:56:23 <echelon> ok, cool
2292 2011-05-03 19:56:42 <echelon> man, russians are only good for stirring up shit
2293 2011-05-03 19:56:48 vorlov has quit (Quit: vorlov)
2294 2011-05-03 19:56:57 <echelon> hope everyone boycotts btcex from now on
2295 2011-05-03 19:57:11 <mrb_> don't make generalizations like that.
2296 2011-05-03 19:57:17 <BlueMatt> its not like he has any traffic anyway
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2298 2011-05-03 19:57:39 <echelon> mrb_, ok.. most eastern europeans
2299 2011-05-03 19:57:49 <mrb_> there is enough racism in today's society...
2300 2011-05-03 19:58:02 <echelon> some are backed by legitimate evidence
2301 2011-05-03 19:58:46 <echelon> they should go back to being commies
2302 2011-05-03 19:59:17 <vsviridov> lol
2303 2011-05-03 19:59:26 <vsviridov> did you get ripped of by a russian or something?
2304 2011-05-03 19:59:48 <CIA-30> bitcoin: genjix exper * r0291e5202c33 intersango/ (profile.php util.php): Add lookup of transfer code. http://tinyurl.com/5ukhmsx
2305 2011-05-03 19:59:49 <CIA-30> bitcoin: genjix exper * ra0494d4e79c8 intersango/ (profile.php switcher.php view_transfer.php): added view_transfer.php (which is blank). http://tinyurl.com/6gn2z6j
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2307 2011-05-03 20:00:32 <echelon> i really don't see why their society had to fall to the hands of organized crime once gorbachev broke up the bloc
2308 2011-05-03 20:01:08 <vsviridov> dude, it was total wild west out there at that time
2309 2011-05-03 20:01:10 <vsviridov> no contol
2310 2011-05-03 20:01:25 <vsviridov> "get money any way you can" type deal
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2313 2011-05-03 20:09:46 <CIA-30> bitcoin: genjix exper * rd57338366134 intersango/ (DATABASE transfer.php): transfer fully using status VARCHAR field instead of pending bool now (more flexible). http://tinyurl.com/6keocvf
2314 2011-05-03 20:10:04 <xelister> ;;seen i2pduck
2315 2011-05-03 20:10:04 <gribble> I have not seen i2pduck.
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2317 2011-05-03 20:12:07 <Kiba> ;;seen kib
2318 2011-05-03 20:12:07 <gribble> I have not seen kib.
2319 2011-05-03 20:12:42 <xelister> ;;seen ducki2p
2320 2011-05-03 20:12:43 <gribble> ducki2p was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 week, 2 days, 23 hours, 44 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <ducki2p> does the guarantee cover that?
2321 2011-05-03 20:12:58 <xelister> ;;tell ducki2p hi duck, please join #btcfn it may interest you
2322 2011-05-03 20:12:59 <gribble> Error: I haven't seen ducki2p, I'll let you do the telling.
2323 2011-05-03 20:13:08 <xelister> blargh
2324 2011-05-03 20:13:14 <xelister> he was in -otc
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2332 2011-05-03 20:26:22 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
2333 2011-05-03 20:26:24 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121677 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1298 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 146811.64219238
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2343 2011-05-03 20:44:25 <luke-jr> jgarzik: restarted pushpoold inside valgrind
2344 2011-05-03 20:44:36 <phantomcircuit> echelon, there really isn't anything you can do about a DDoS except throw more compute power at it
2345 2011-05-03 20:44:37 <cosurgi> lianj: ok, this time it's for real - connection problems
2346 2011-05-03 20:44:48 <cosurgi> luke-jr: oh, ok. you restered
2347 2011-05-03 20:44:48 <jgarzik> luke-jr: great, I'll be interested to know what the log looks like
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2349 2011-05-03 20:45:09 <cosurgi> luke-jr: valgrind is very good. I use it sometimes. What are you looking for?
2350 2011-05-03 20:45:19 <lianj> cosurgi: ?
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2352 2011-05-03 20:45:21 <luke-jr> cosurgi: pushpoold is leaky
2353 2011-05-03 20:45:25 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, be careful with that, valgrind significantly slows execution
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2355 2011-05-03 20:45:28 <cosurgi> I see.
2356 2011-05-03 20:45:31 <luke-jr> I know
2357 2011-05-03 20:45:38 <luke-jr> doesn't seem to hurt my GPU miner at least tho
2358 2011-05-03 20:45:40 <phantomcircuit> you can barely run bitcoin under it
2359 2011-05-03 20:45:48 <luke-jr> CPU at 12%
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2362 2011-05-03 20:47:02 <ntosme2> luke-jr: is it c/c++?
2363 2011-05-03 20:47:11 <luke-jr> ntosme2: C
2364 2011-05-03 20:47:22 <luke-jr> jgarzik: any preference for how long i leave it running?
2365 2011-05-03 20:47:34 <luke-jr> a normal kill should do clean shutdown, I presume?
2366 2011-05-03 20:47:49 <jgarzik> luke-jr: long enough to show the memory usage pattern you reported?
2367 2011-05-03 20:48:02 <luke-jr> dunno how long it takes ;)
2368 2011-05-03 20:48:05 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yes, though I recommend "--strict-free" for better valgrinding
2369 2011-05-03 20:48:06 <luke-jr> I just know it maxed out the VP
2370 2011-05-03 20:48:08 <luke-jr> VPS
2371 2011-05-03 20:48:20 <cosurgi> luke-jr: did you use  2>&1 > result
2372 2011-05-03 20:48:21 <cosurgi> ?
2373 2011-05-03 20:48:26 <luke-jr> yes
2374 2011-05-03 20:48:49 <luke-jr> well
2375 2011-05-03 20:48:52 <luke-jr> >>result 2>&1
2376 2011-05-03 20:49:04 <cosurgi> again failed to connect :)
2377 2011-05-03 20:49:22 <cosurgi> I dodn't know that order doesn't matter :)
2378 2011-05-03 20:49:29 <cosurgi> never bothered to check
2379 2011-05-03 20:49:52 <luke-jr> =14902==    definitely lost: 383,240 bytes in 4,355 blocks
2380 2011-05-03 20:49:54 <luke-jr> ==14902==    indirectly lost: 413,730 bytes in 21,946 blocks
2381 2011-05-03 20:49:55 <luke-jr> ==14902==      possibly lost: 514,585 bytes in 7,090 blocks
2382 2011-05-03 20:49:57 <luke-jr> ==14902==    still reachable: 270,910 bytes in 3,004 blocks
2383 2011-05-03 20:49:58 <luke-jr> =
2384 2011-05-03 20:50:09 <edcba> nice lol
2385 2011-05-03 20:50:17 <luke-jr> forgot --leak-check=full
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2387 2011-05-03 20:51:42 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, you want a code review? im excellent ;)
2388 2011-05-03 20:51:55 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: go ahead? :P
2389 2011-05-03 20:52:13 <phantomcircuit> link?
2390 2011-05-03 20:52:39 <luke-jr> https://github.com/jgarzik/pushpool
2391 2011-05-03 20:52:45 <xelister> pushpool?
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2393 2011-05-03 20:53:13 <xelister> which one are yiou using on your pool, luke-jr
2394 2011-05-03 20:53:23 <luke-jr> …
2395 2011-05-03 20:53:45 <ntosme2> luke-jr: do you keep restarting your pool? lots of connection refused
2396 2011-05-03 20:53:47 <luke-jr> sorry
2397 2011-05-03 20:53:53 * luke-jr blames jgarzik for that downtime
2398 2011-05-03 20:53:57 <ntosme2> haha
2399 2011-05-03 20:53:58 <luke-jr> there is no --strict-free -.-
2400 2011-05-03 20:54:33 <cosurgi> well.. my GPU temps went down a little. good for them :)
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2402 2011-05-03 20:58:46 <jgarzik> [jgarzik@bd pushpool]$ grep -c strict.free server.c
2403 2011-05-03 20:58:46 <jgarzik> 5
2404 2011-05-03 21:00:55 <luke-jr> …
2405 2011-05-03 21:01:56 <luke-jr> I thought you meant for Valgrind
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2408 2011-05-03 21:02:45 <cosurgi> valgrind --help | grep -c strict
2409 2011-05-03 21:02:46 <cosurgi> 0
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2414 2011-05-03 21:10:37 <jgarzik> luke-jr: normally it is faster to exit(3) than manually free everything allocated
2415 2011-05-03 21:10:53 <jgarzik> luke-jr: --strict-free is used inside pushpoold to force manual free, rather than exit
2416 2011-05-03 21:11:00 <jgarzik> helps track leaks
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2419 2011-05-03 21:13:00 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, well first of all
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2421 2011-05-03 21:13:13 <phantomcircuit> config.c:305
2422 2011-05-03 21:13:20 <phantomcircuit> json_loads takes 3 arguments
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2424 2011-05-03 21:13:56 <phantomcircuit> the fact that you can build at all with that is amazing :|
2425 2011-05-03 21:15:32 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
2426 2011-05-03 21:15:35 <gribble> Too many connections
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2435 2011-05-03 21:20:00 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I already reported that bug to jgarzik
2436 2011-05-03 21:20:08 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: 1.x uses 2 arguments
2437 2011-05-03 21:20:14 <phantomcircuit> oh
2438 2011-05-03 21:20:42 <luke-jr> jgarzik: with --strict-free, it segfaulted on shutdown ;)
2439 2011-05-03 21:20:54 <phantomcircuit> the whole thing refuses to build with clang
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2441 2011-05-03 21:21:00 <phantomcircuit> which isn't surprising but still
2442 2011-05-03 21:21:35 <luke-jr> ==8386== 2,295,502 (1,091,904 direct, 1,203,598 indirect) bytes in 12,408 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 724 of 724
2443 2011-05-03 21:22:08 <luke-jr> jgarzik: which libevent do you use?
2444 2011-05-03 21:22:14 <phantomcircuit> i stand corrected it refuses to build period
2445 2011-05-03 21:23:52 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
2446 2011-05-03 21:23:52 <gribble> 29706857.1307
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2449 2011-05-03 21:31:07 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
2450 2011-05-03 21:31:08 <gribble> 22448362.4004
2451 2011-05-03 21:31:11 <luke-jr> :/
2452 2011-05-03 21:31:17 <luke-jr> lost 7 GH?
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2454 2011-05-03 21:34:41 <jgarzik> luke-jr: 1.x
2455 2011-05-03 21:34:58 <jgarzik> libevent-1.4.14b-1.fc14.x86_64
2456 2011-05-03 21:35:16 <luke-jr> hmm
2457 2011-05-03 21:35:19 <luke-jr> I have 1.4.14b too
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2464 2011-05-03 21:47:37 <Blitzboom> luke-jr, using your pool now
2465 2011-05-03 21:47:47 <Blitzboom> what hashrate does it have?
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2470 2011-05-03 21:49:46 <lianj> Blitzboom: http://oku.heroku.com/bitcoin-pools/luke-jr
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2472 2011-05-03 21:50:27 <Blitzboom> so 20 GH/s, right?
2473 2011-05-03 21:50:35 <Blitzboom> thanks
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2475 2011-05-03 21:52:12 <Blitzboom> pretty cool stuff
2476 2011-05-03 21:52:12 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
2477 2011-05-03 21:52:12 <gribble> 20300878.7524
2478 2011-05-03 21:52:15 <luke-jr> argh
2479 2011-05-03 21:52:25 <luke-jr> lost 10 GH trying to find mem leak? ☹
2480 2011-05-03 21:52:36 <Blitzboom> ☺
2481 2011-05-03 21:54:50 <midnightmagic> ;;isitdown blockexplorer.com
2482 2011-05-03 21:54:51 <gribble> http://blockexplorer.com Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
2483 2011-05-03 21:55:22 <midnightmagic> ;;isitdown 1NJiq6mPGWaEQUFwcnAWBjVAJES5UZLeQp
2484 2011-05-03 21:55:22 <midnightmagic> '
2485 2011-05-03 21:55:22 <gribble> http://1NJiq6mPGWaEQUFwcnAWBjVAJES5UZLeQp -> Huh? Error... - Check if your website is up or down?
2486 2011-05-03 21:55:30 <midnightmagic> ;;isitdown 99.27.237.13
2487 2011-05-03 21:55:31 <gribble> http://99.27.237.13 Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
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2490 2011-05-03 21:56:50 <midnightmagic> wtf
2491 2011-05-03 21:57:42 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
2492 2011-05-03 21:57:43 <gribble> 20429727.7713
2493 2011-05-03 21:57:51 <luke-jr> jgarzik: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/382496/
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2508 2011-05-03 22:23:04 <andrew12> iostream.h doesn't exist!
2509 2011-05-03 22:23:09 <andrew12> how2fix
2510 2011-05-03 22:23:40 <andrew12> what's bc,eligus
2511 2011-05-03 22:23:46 <andrew12> ;;help bc,eligus
2512 2011-05-03 22:23:47 <gribble> Error: There is no command "bc,eligus".
2513 2011-05-03 22:23:55 <andrew12> ;;help bc,eligius
2514 2011-05-03 22:23:56 <gribble> (bc,eligius <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "bc,lukepool $*".
2515 2011-05-03 22:24:01 <andrew12> oh
2516 2011-05-03 22:24:28 <andrew12> ;;help bc,lukepool
2517 2011-05-03 22:24:29 <gribble> (bc,lukepool <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "math calc [cut -1 [web fetch http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/pool/hashrate.txt]]/1000".
2518 2011-05-03 22:25:06 <phantomcircuit> god western union sucks
2519 2011-05-03 22:25:14 <andrew12> anyways
2520 2011-05-03 22:25:20 <andrew12> http://andrew12.net/bitcoin-typescript
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2522 2011-05-03 22:26:08 <andrew12> short version:
2523 2011-05-03 22:26:09 <andrew12> http://pastie.org/1862164
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2533 2011-05-03 22:49:35 <stamit> hello, i have a question
2534 2011-05-03 22:49:57 <stamit> is there a way to export a log of BTC transactions?
2535 2011-05-03 22:49:59 <stamit> a simple text file will do
2536 2011-05-03 22:50:38 <luke-jr> I just idle in #bitcoin-watch
2537 2011-05-03 22:50:42 <luke-jr> with logging enabled
2538 2011-05-03 22:51:03 <stamit> no, i mean one's own BTC transactions
2539 2011-05-03 22:51:11 <stamit> from the client
2540 2011-05-03 22:51:32 <stamit> i didn't see a "file/export" or a command-line option or something like that
2541 2011-05-03 22:52:03 <slush> stamit: I don'
2542 2011-05-03 22:52:03 <stamit> basically, what i need is the same thing the list displays, only in a text file
2543 2011-05-03 22:52:08 <slush> I don't think it is possible
2544 2011-05-03 22:52:22 <stamit> eh well, might need a patch
2545 2011-05-03 22:52:26 <Aahzmundus> you could write something to parse the block chain
2546 2011-05-03 22:52:39 <Aahzmundus> :P
2547 2011-05-03 22:52:47 <slush> well, it _is_ possible by exporting transactions from internal structures, but there is no tool yet
2548 2011-05-03 22:52:56 <stamit> nah, should be just a simple client patch
2549 2011-05-03 22:53:03 <slush> yes
2550 2011-05-03 22:56:47 <ntosme2> woot 5870 just arrived, only getting 283mhash though
2551 2011-05-03 22:56:56 <ntosme2> seems a bit low..
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2553 2011-05-03 22:58:58 <mrb_> definitely. 5870 is capable of at least 333 Mhash/s at stock 850MHz
2554 2011-05-03 22:59:16 <ntosme2> I think the previous owner smoked cigars
2555 2011-05-03 22:59:51 <ntosme2> this is with phoenix -w128 bfi_int vectors
2556 2011-05-03 23:00:20 plato has joined
2557 2011-05-03 23:00:35 <plato> hi guys, anyone know where I can get raw historical mtgox trade data
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2559 2011-05-03 23:01:20 <[Tycho]> ntosme, what is yout ATI Stream SDK version ?
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2561 2011-05-03 23:01:27 <mrb_> plato: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6193.0
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2563 2011-05-03 23:02:20 <ntosme2> [Tycho]: 2.1
2564 2011-05-03 23:02:31 <plato> mrb_: thanks
2565 2011-05-03 23:03:10 <[Tycho]> ntosme2, try poclbm miner.
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2567 2011-05-03 23:03:14 <ntosme2> with poclbm -w128 -f0 -v I get 281mhash
2568 2011-05-03 23:05:36 <ntosme2> [Tycho]: oops! I actually bought a 5850, my mistake
2569 2011-05-03 23:05:43 <ntosme2> so 280 is about right
2570 2011-05-03 23:05:51 <Diablo-D3> hey man
2571 2011-05-03 23:05:55 <Diablo-D3> some people got 5850s above 300 now
2572 2011-05-03 23:06:00 <Diablo-D3> with bfni_int usage
2573 2011-05-03 23:06:13 <luke-jr> ntosme2: -w64 -f1 -v = 298 MH
2574 2011-05-03 23:06:23 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: only broken ones
2575 2011-05-03 23:06:35 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: well, NOW broken ones
2576 2011-05-03 23:06:37 <Diablo-D3> I bet they melted down
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2578 2011-05-03 23:07:30 <ntosme2> luke-jr: with that I get 282 MH
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2586 2011-05-03 23:10:20 <eps> ;;bc,stats
2587 2011-05-03 23:10:22 <gribble> Current Blocks: 121692 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 1283 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 17 hours, 5 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 145835.56284302
2588 2011-05-03 23:10:42 <eps> hmm, that is quite a jump in difficulty
2589 2011-05-03 23:11:00 <luke-jr> pretty normal
2590 2011-05-03 23:11:09 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd [bc,eligius] [bc,estimate]
2591 2011-05-03 23:11:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 18668791.1799 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 145835.56284302, is 9 hours, 19 minutes, and 11 seconds
2592 2011-05-03 23:11:29 <eps> no i mean the estimate for the next increase
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2594 2011-05-03 23:11:43 <luke-jr> me too
2595 2011-05-03 23:11:47 <eps> that must be 40% or more
2596 2011-05-03 23:12:08 <topi`> i wonder how that will fit into sipa's data
2597 2011-05-03 23:12:44 <luke-jr> eps: nope
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2599 2011-05-03 23:13:50 <eps> Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248, Next Difficulty Estimate: 145835.56284302
2600 2011-05-03 23:13:57 <eps> what am i reading wrong?
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2605 2011-05-03 23:15:56 <luke-jr> eps: 110 -> 146 is only 32%
2606 2011-05-03 23:16:24 <Aahzmundus> .32976
2607 2011-05-03 23:16:34 <midnightmagic> "only"
2608 2011-05-03 23:16:34 <eps> ahh ok, that still seems like a big jump
2609 2011-05-03 23:16:53 <luke-jr> 30% is about average jump IIRC
2610 2011-05-03 23:17:05 <topi`> last jump was from 82000 -> 109000
2611 2011-05-03 23:17:06 <ntosme2> maybe it will settle a bit since it just changed
2612 2011-05-03 23:17:12 <Blitzboom> dude, the price TRIPLED
2613 2011-05-03 23:17:18 <Blitzboom> wtf do you all expect
2614 2011-05-03 23:17:20 <luke-jr> my first jump was 40%
2615 2011-05-03 23:17:39 <luke-jr> then 56%
2616 2011-05-03 23:17:48 <luke-jr> then 36%
2617 2011-05-03 23:17:55 <midnightmagic> triple price is kind of meaningless given the slope of difficulty
2618 2011-05-03 23:18:08 <luke-jr> then -10% :p
2619 2011-05-03 23:18:20 <luke-jr> then 19%
2620 2011-05-03 23:18:28 <luke-jr> 12%
2621 2011-05-03 23:18:38 <luke-jr> 20%
2622 2011-05-03 23:18:40 <luke-jr> then today
2623 2011-05-03 23:19:00 <luke-jr> so basically, the difficulty jumping just slowed temporarily during the market crash
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2627 2011-05-03 23:20:16 <mrb_> luke-jr: oh, you are that new? :)
2628 2011-05-03 23:20:30 <mrb_> only 7-difficulty-adjustment-old :)
2629 2011-05-03 23:20:38 <luke-jr> mrb_: yes
2630 2011-05-03 23:20:50 <luke-jr> mizerydearia found me Jan 1 2011
2631 2011-05-03 23:21:19 <ntosme2> that's right about when I hopped on as well
2632 2011-05-03 23:21:39 <ntosme2> slashdot pointed the way
2633 2011-05-03 23:21:41 <midnightmagic> dec 21 or so for me..  wish i'd been about two months earlier.
2634 2011-05-03 23:21:45 <mrb_> I hoped on when difficulty was 12251
2635 2011-05-03 23:22:03 <Blitzboom> 26k here
2636 2011-05-03 23:22:05 <mrb_> but it is never too early. we all wish we discovered bitcoin earlier
2637 2011-05-03 23:22:20 <Blitzboom> yeah ;_;
2638 2011-05-03 23:22:28 <luke-jr> except sirius
2639 2011-05-03 23:23:10 <topi`> :)
2640 2011-05-03 23:23:23 <topi`> i discovered bitcoin only in early april :( when genjix came to a'dam
2641 2011-05-03 23:23:28 <midnightmagic> i had heard of it when it started but thought it was ridiculous..
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2643 2011-05-03 23:23:55 <ntosme2> I started with a nvidia 8600 :-o
2644 2011-05-03 23:24:05 <topi`> me a nvidia 9400m ;)
2645 2011-05-03 23:24:11 <ntosme2> haha
2646 2011-05-03 23:24:21 <topi`> hey, it's still 2 Mhash! :)
2647 2011-05-03 23:24:25 <ntosme2> laptop?
2648 2011-05-03 23:24:29 <topi`> macbook yeah :)
2649 2011-05-03 23:24:42 <ntosme2> poor hot battery
2650 2011-05-03 23:25:01 <ntosme2> I hope you pulled it out
2651 2011-05-03 23:25:09 <topi`> actually this doesn't get hot while mining. the ION chip consumes 6 watts at 100% GPU
2652 2011-05-03 23:25:41 <topi`> even wife likes it, completely quiet
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2654 2011-05-03 23:25:46 <ntosme2> ah...so I could mine on my laptop as well
2655 2011-05-03 23:26:01 <xelister> topi`: are you around
2656 2011-05-03 23:26:02 <xelister> :)
2657 2011-05-03 23:26:07 <topi`> well, if you're using it anyhow then it's just bonus btc
2658 2011-05-03 23:26:17 <midnightmagic> ฿ seems like the most natural concept in the world to me now.
2659 2011-05-03 23:26:20 <topi`> xel: wife is asleep, i should be as well. do you have any news?
2660 2011-05-03 23:26:21 <xelister> topi`: see jabber?
2661 2011-05-03 23:26:22 <midnightmagic> sigh
2662 2011-05-03 23:26:49 <Blitzboom> so when did you return, midnightmagic?
2663 2011-05-03 23:27:06 <midnightmagic> dec 21 or so.
2664 2011-05-03 23:27:19 <Blitzboom> that’s early anyway
2665 2011-05-03 23:27:24 <midnightmagic> made perfect sense then, for some reason. must've been art telling me about it.
2666 2011-05-03 23:27:25 <ntosme2> midnightmagic: it still has the issue of rapid payment, but for most purposes I agree
2667 2011-05-03 23:27:40 <Blitzboom> that’s no issue
2668 2011-05-03 23:27:44 <Blitzboom> bitcoin = hard currency
2669 2011-05-03 23:27:54 <Blitzboom> for rapid payments you need paypal-like sites
2670 2011-05-03 23:28:31 <midnightmagic> i think a dual-use card that can be instructed to make a hard ฿ payment as an option will be very important for larger transactions.
2671 2011-05-03 23:28:39 <ntosme2> I'm thinking in terms of in-person digital transactions
2672 2011-05-03 23:28:50 <ntosme2> dwolla seems to be a good choice there
2673 2011-05-03 23:28:55 <midnightmagic> have some coffee and eat a cookie while the transaction is confirmed.
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2675 2011-05-03 23:29:31 <ntosme2> what if you pull up to a drive-through window?
2676 2011-05-03 23:29:56 <ntosme2> they won't want you to sit there for 5-10 mins for confirmation
2677 2011-05-03 23:29:58 <midnightmagic> i won't be making $10k purchases at a drive-through window.
2678 2011-05-03 23:30:09 <midnightmagic> and thus the insta-transaction wallet there.
2679 2011-05-03 23:30:16 <midnightmagic> two options..
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2682 2011-05-03 23:31:01 <ntosme2> then you will be paying transaction fees unfortunately
2683 2011-05-03 23:31:38 <midnightmagic> or monthly wallet maintenance fees.  it's only unfortunate if it's as bad or worse than real credit cards.. which it doesn't need to do.
2684 2011-05-03 23:32:10 <midnightmagic> on-card p/w entry so you don't even have to trust the merchant's own machinery..
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2686 2011-05-03 23:33:03 <ntosme2> great, another object that can be ruined by water exposure!
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2688 2011-05-03 23:33:50 <ntosme2> it could be potted in epoxy with a sealed capacitive display
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2690 2011-05-03 23:34:40 <ArtForz> seriously, water is trivial to handle
2691 2011-05-03 23:34:41 <ntosme2> with near-field inductive power/data communication
2692 2011-05-03 23:35:04 <ntosme2> maybe a small battery
2693 2011-05-03 23:35:12 <ArtForz> supercap?
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2696 2011-05-03 23:35:32 <ntosme2> if they're flat enough
2697 2011-05-03 23:35:43 <ArtForz> there are quite small versions
2698 2011-05-03 23:35:55 <ArtForz> it'd still be thicker than a credit card
2699 2011-05-03 23:36:19 <ntosme2> two or three card thicknesses would be fine
2700 2011-05-03 23:36:23 <ArtForz> yeah
2701 2011-05-03 23:36:51 <ArtForz> about the same dims as those solar powered CC-size calculators
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2703 2011-05-03 23:37:27 <ArtForz> and enough space for a keypad + lcd
2704 2011-05-03 23:38:16 <ntosme2> wouldn't a touch screen work?
2705 2011-05-03 23:38:35 <ArtForz> ugh, and who's gonna pay for that?
2706 2011-05-03 23:39:05 <ntosme2> I haven't priced them, is it that bad?
2707 2011-05-03 23:39:31 <ntosme2> with capacitive it's just a grid of tiny wires, can't be that expensive
2708 2011-05-03 23:39:35 <molecular> hey, cool: I can set Voltage and Engine clock using ADL on my 5970 ;))
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2710 2011-05-03 23:39:48 <ArtForz> it's still a rather large LCD
2711 2011-05-03 23:39:57 <ArtForz> also, how do you want to protect it?
2712 2011-05-03 23:39:58 <plato> ArtForz: depending on how much power you need, it would be cool to harvest background EM
2713 2011-05-03 23:40:08 <plato> ArtForz: use e-inmk
2714 2011-05-03 23:40:11 <plato> *e-ink
2715 2011-05-03 23:40:19 <ntosme2> plato: agreed
2716 2011-05-03 23:40:27 <molecular> ArtForz, didn't you tell me you couldn't set the core Voltage using ADL?
2717 2011-05-03 23:40:32 <ArtForz> yes, that's like totally cheap and available on every street corner *headdesk*
2718 2011-05-03 23:40:42 <ArtForz> you can
2719 2011-05-03 23:40:50 <ArtForz> to one of the 4 predefined voltages
2720 2011-05-03 23:40:55 <molecular> array, just realized that, yeah.
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2722 2011-05-03 23:41:24 <plato> ArtForz: what development tools do you use
2723 2011-05-03 23:41:25 <plato> out of curiosity
2724 2011-05-03 23:41:38 <ArtForz> basically you can do the same stuff you can do in the top half of RBEs voltages/clocks tab
2725 2011-05-03 23:41:42 <molecular> ArtForz, I can set any voltage in range [0.950..1.050] step 0.005
2726 2011-05-03 23:41:50 <molecular> ArtForz, by manipulating performance levels
2727 2011-05-03 23:41:56 <ArtForz> huh, weird
2728 2011-05-03 23:42:01 <molecular> ADL_Overdrive5_ODPerformanceLevels_Set
2729 2011-05-03 23:42:10 <molecular> just manipulated the highest level
2730 2011-05-03 23:42:22 <ArtForz> that didn't do anything here, except set the closest of the 4 preprogrammed voltages
2731 2011-05-03 23:42:28 <molecular> unfortunately it doesnt work for memory clock ;(
2732 2011-05-03 23:42:41 <ArtForz> could be driver dependent I guess
2733 2011-05-03 23:43:11 <molecular> I treid a couple different voltages (1.045, 1.050, 1.038)
2734 2011-05-03 23:43:15 <molecular> all worked
2735 2011-05-03 23:43:23 <ArtForz> and... did it do anything?
2736 2011-05-03 23:43:50 <ArtForz> as in, did the actual core V change or just what ADL/driver thinks it is?
2737 2011-05-03 23:44:14 <molecular> I'm pretty sure it did. rerunning the tool (reads the performance levels) shows new voltage. and I can see changed engine clock in aticonfig
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2739 2011-05-03 23:44:32 <molecular> how can I check the "real" voltage?
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2742 2011-05-03 23:44:47 <ArtForz> hummm, good Q
2743 2011-05-03 23:44:55 <ArtForz> I used a multimeter
2744 2011-05-03 23:45:22 <molecular> hehe
2745 2011-05-03 23:45:26 <ArtForz> set 1.05 V -> 1.05V, set 1.04 -> 1.05, set 1.03 -> 1.05, set 1.02 -> 1.00
2746 2011-05-03 23:45:50 <molecular> ArtForz, here's the code (fits into your fan controller code): http://pastebin.com/9AJ28KPu
2747 2011-05-03 23:45:52 <topi`> plato: I wanted to get a e-ink devel kit, but they wanted $3000 for that. I gave up.
2748 2011-05-03 23:46:00 <molecular> ArtForz, if you want to see/try
2749 2011-05-03 23:46:09 <ArtForz> same thing happens if you change the core V in the top half of RBE clock/voltage tab
2750 2011-05-03 23:46:14 <topi`> I can buy a OMAP4 devel kit for $170
2751 2011-05-03 23:46:20 <molecular> hmmmm
2752 2011-05-03 23:46:35 <ArtForz> you can set it to anything you like, BIOS picks the closest of the 4 available voltages
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2754 2011-05-03 23:46:38 <molecular> the clock actually changing doesn't necessarily mean it works for the Voltage, too ;|
2755 2011-05-03 23:46:57 <plato> ArtForz: how power efficient can you get? 5970 seems to be like 300W, 700 Mhash
2756 2011-05-03 23:47:17 <plato> that seems really wasteful, i imagine there's a ton of overhead
2757 2011-05-03 23:47:37 <molecular> plato, mine draws more like 350W @1.05V, 890 Mhz
2758 2011-05-03 23:47:48 <plato> rgr
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2760 2011-05-03 23:47:54 <ArtForz> molecular: lower mem clock and voltage
2761 2011-05-03 23:48:11 <molecular> can't seem to change the memclock :(
2762 2011-05-03 23:48:18 <molecular> *to be able to
2763 2011-05-03 23:48:21 <ArtForz> ~ 280W @ 870 @ 1.05V core
2764 2011-05-03 23:48:28 <molecular> huh? memclock?
2765 2011-05-03 23:48:36 <ArtForz> yeah
2766 2011-05-03 23:48:48 <molecular> what memclock? 870 or is that engine clock?
2767 2011-05-03 23:48:50 <plato> ArtForz: what's your theoretical hashrate to wattage ratio for asic's
2768 2011-05-03 23:48:52 <ArtForz> thats engine
2769 2011-05-03 23:48:58 <molecular> and mem?
2770 2011-05-03 23:49:02 <ArtForz> plato: practical: about 25Mh/W
2771 2011-05-03 23:49:06 <ArtForz> err... Mh/J
2772 2011-05-03 23:49:25 <ArtForz> on FPGAs, about 15-18
2773 2011-05-03 23:49:35 <ArtForz> and yes, 5970 does about 2.x
2774 2011-05-03 23:49:48 <molecular> what are "typical" mem-clocks I could try to set?
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2776 2011-05-03 23:49:52 <ArtForz> 300
2777 2011-05-03 23:49:52 <plato> Nice
2778 2011-05-03 23:50:23 <ArtForz> and for std cell ASICs... about 50-80
2779 2011-05-03 23:50:33 <molecular> damn, doesn't work, error -1
2780 2011-05-03 23:50:44 <ArtForz> probably > 100 on a modern process
2781 2011-05-03 23:51:14 <molecular> although it tells me a range of 150.00 to 1500.00 Mhz possible for mem clock
2782 2011-05-03 23:51:36 <ArtForz> 300 should work for sure, it's the default mem clock in idle performance mode
2783 2011-05-03 23:51:55 <molecular> well great, I can set it to 1005.00 Mhz
2784 2011-05-03 23:52:05 <molecular> I can set >1000Mhz but not lower?
2785 2011-05-03 23:52:28 <ArtForz> yeah, ADL stupidity
2786 2011-05-03 23:52:41 <ArtForz> you can trick it by fudging with the perf level stuff
2787 2011-05-03 23:52:44 <molecular> could there be a minimum value given in the BIOS?
2788 2011-05-03 23:52:51 <gjs278> you can reflash your bios
2789 2011-05-03 23:52:52 <molecular> can I set the perf level?
2790 2011-05-03 23:52:53 <gjs278> and set it to 300
2791 2011-05-03 23:53:07 <gjs278> I've done it for a 5870
2792 2011-05-03 23:53:11 <ArtForz> iirc it refuses to set anything lower than default in "3D" perf level
2793 2011-05-03 23:53:17 <molecular> was kinda hoping to avoid that, the thing is in a raintight woodbox ;)
2794 2011-05-03 23:53:43 <molecular> can I manipulate the 2nd-highest perf-level and somehow tell it to use that?
2795 2011-05-03 23:53:53 <ArtForz> I guess so
2796 2011-05-03 23:53:55 <molecular> it seems to use perf-level 3 (of 3) here
2797 2011-05-03 23:54:03 <molecular> you know the call to set perf-level... can't find it
2798 2011-05-03 23:54:17 <ArtForz> yeah, theres 3 perf levels on 5970s
2799 2011-05-03 23:54:32 <ArtForz> and the 0 one used in BIOS/DOS
2800 2011-05-03 23:54:57 <molecular> hmm
2801 2011-05-03 23:55:09 <molecular> ok, I can set memclock 995Mhz for perf-level 2
2802 2011-05-03 23:55:23 <molecular> even 300Mhz
2803 2011-05-03 23:55:42 <molecular> and also 870 engine clock and 1.05 V, so that would work ;)
2804 2011-05-03 23:56:18 <molecular> can GET the performance level with: ADL_Overdrive5_CurrentActivity_Get, but how to set it? aticonfig?
2805 2011-05-03 23:57:16 <ArtForz> btw, be careful fudging with perf levels, might compromise throttling
2806 2011-05-03 23:57:47 <molecular> I'm using your fan controller anyways... so that should be no problem?
2807 2011-05-03 23:58:02 <ArtForz> card seems to drop from 3 to 2 when shit gets too hot, guess what happens if 2 is the same V/clock as 3...
2808 2011-05-03 23:58:03 <molecular> ah, you mean throttling down a perf-level when overheating?
2809 2011-05-03 23:58:07 <ArtForz> yep
2810 2011-05-03 23:58:14 <molecular> yeah
2811 2011-05-03 23:58:16 <molecular> damn
2812 2011-05-03 23:58:32 <ArtForz> actually I do have V for 2 == V for 3
2813 2011-05-03 23:58:36 <molecular> why do they have a friggin minimum for memory-clock on perf-level 3 anyway. I hate the f...ers
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2815 2011-05-03 23:59:01 <ArtForz> I have core V for all perf levels at 1.05, hacked bios
2816 2011-05-03 23:59:32 <ArtForz> when you push the OC, and stop/start the miner, shit likes to lock up
2817 2011-05-03 23:59:40 <xelister> ArtForz: which tool used to change bios etc?