1 2011-05-06 00:00:50 <phantomcircuit> xelister, federal police
   2 2011-05-06 00:02:16 <x5x> mtgox still down? really?
   3 2011-05-06 00:02:39 <ArtForz> huh?
   4 2011-05-06 00:02:48 <UukGoblin> ;;isitdown mtgox.com
   5 2011-05-06 00:02:50 <gribble> http://mtgox.com Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
   6 2011-05-06 00:03:17 <x5x> i guess my ip got blocekd by the ddos filter ?
   7 2011-05-06 00:03:22 <ArtForz> guess so
   8 2011-05-06 00:03:26 <ArtForz> works fine here
   9 2011-05-06 00:03:33 <x5x> wonder how many other ppl got blocekd too
  10 2011-05-06 00:03:34 <io_error> I wasn't even ddosing mtgox!
  11 2011-05-06 00:03:41 <io_error> And neither was my phone!
  12 2011-05-06 00:03:46 <iera> it really got ddosed? oh well
  13 2011-05-06 00:04:02 <iera> does anybody know something about the origin of the attack?
  14 2011-05-06 00:04:07 <iera> or rather the motivation
  15 2011-05-06 00:04:07 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, the ddos filter they're using is extremely aggressive
  16 2011-05-06 00:04:12 <ArtForz> well, either don't do OCD refreshing or don't run widgets that query the mtgox api every second
  17 2011-05-06 00:04:40 <x5x> ArtForz, havent doen either of those
  18 2011-05-06 00:04:58 <UukGoblin> iera, motivation was money. MagicalTux said he got an email from some russian saying he'll stop the ddos if he pays him $5k
  19 2011-05-06 00:04:59 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, i was banned because i sent a single ping
  20 2011-05-06 00:05:01 <phantomcircuit> lulz
  21 2011-05-06 00:05:02 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * r81413cad72bd intersango/ (cron/process_orders.php help.php www/style.css): Merge branch 'exper' of gitorious.org:intersango/master into exper http://tinyurl.com/4yfhmkb
  22 2011-05-06 00:05:05 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * r27c37c5bc7d4 intersango/ (api.php util.php): fix check_signature_rsa and place_api_order_fixed http://tinyurl.com/3dfawuj
  23 2011-05-06 00:05:12 <iera> UukGoblin: ok
  24 2011-05-06 00:05:13 <x5x> uh yea, both my IPs are blocekd, the other one im pretty sure i never even used to visit the site
  25 2011-05-06 00:05:25 <iera> im blocked too
  26 2011-05-06 00:05:36 <x5x> yea, this isnt good
  27 2011-05-06 00:05:43 <iera> but perhaps not
  28 2011-05-06 00:05:44 <ArtForz> I just logged in, works fine
  29 2011-05-06 00:05:44 <x5x> i hope someone makes a competing x/c soon
  30 2011-05-06 00:06:05 <iera> mtr shows 95% packet loss on 208.64.120.17
  31 2011-05-06 00:06:19 <iera> do you have the same hop?
  32 2011-05-06 00:06:50 <x5x> yes
  33 2011-05-06 00:06:55 <x5x> same thing
  34 2011-05-06 00:06:57 <io_error> make -j9
  35 2011-05-06 00:07:01 <io_error> oops
  36 2011-05-06 00:07:06 <ArtForz> maybe justa  bad route then
  37 2011-05-06 00:07:16 <iera> hm so probably a network error
  38 2011-05-06 00:07:35 <x5x> maybe some side effect of the ddos
  39 2011-05-06 00:07:38 <phantomcircuit> iera, that's their firewall
  40 2011-05-06 00:07:46 <iera> ah
  41 2011-05-06 00:07:56 <iera> but why do i have 95% loss then and not 100?
  42 2011-05-06 00:07:58 <phantomcircuit> im guessing their firewall just randomly drops traffic to a ceiling
  43 2011-05-06 00:08:03 <ArtForz> yep
  44 2011-05-06 00:08:03 <iera> ok
  45 2011-05-06 00:08:08 <ArtForz> especially "nonimportant" traffic
  46 2011-05-06 00:08:14 <iera> yeah maybe
  47 2011-05-06 00:08:22 <x5x> heh nonimportant
  48 2011-05-06 00:08:24 <xelister> x5x: what site, mtgox?
  49 2011-05-06 00:08:30 <x5x> xelister, yea
  50 2011-05-06 00:08:34 <xelister> x5x: u on windows?
  51 2011-05-06 00:08:36 <x5x> no
  52 2011-05-06 00:08:43 <phantomcircuit> all the ddos protected hosting providers pull the same shit
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  54 2011-05-06 00:08:56 <ArtForz> UDP and ICMP are best-effort, so by definition you can drop them if you got more important packets to route ;)
  55 2011-05-06 00:08:58 <xelister> "lets block all bitcoiners, they are terrorists"? :P
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  57 2011-05-06 00:09:03 <iera> MagicalTux: get a better hoster :p
  58 2011-05-06 00:09:05 <phantomcircuit> they oversell bandwidth just as bad as the normal hosts
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  60 2011-05-06 00:09:15 <phantomcircuit> except they randomly drop traffic instead of trying to forward it
  61 2011-05-06 00:09:21 <phantomcircuit> which isn't really helpful
  62 2011-05-06 00:09:31 <SaneSmith> that sucks
  63 2011-05-06 00:09:41 <iera> dont know about udp... but http is tcp so in that case it should work
  64 2011-05-06 00:09:51 <iera> i assume icmp comes last in every case
  65 2011-05-06 00:09:54 <phantomcircuit> SaneSmith, the alternative is about 2grand a month
  66 2011-05-06 00:09:55 <phantomcircuit> so
  67 2011-05-06 00:09:56 <phantomcircuit> yeah
  68 2011-05-06 00:10:00 <xelister> or
  69 2011-05-06 00:10:04 <xelister> oooor
  70 2011-05-06 00:10:14 <xelister> MagicalTux: move it to i2p,tor and Freeeenet
  71 2011-05-06 00:10:24 <xelister> site on Freenet is ULTIMATELLY resistant to DDoS,
  72 2011-05-06 00:10:28 <x5x> yea so the whole i2p and tor networks go down w it
  73 2011-05-06 00:10:30 <xelister> the more you request it, the FASTER it workd :D
  74 2011-05-06 00:10:42 <xelister> so big "DDoS" of site on Freenet == site works super fast :P
  75 2011-05-06 00:11:15 <xelister> x5x: he is attacked by ALL russains?
  76 2011-05-06 00:11:19 <io_error> Problem with freenet is you can only host static files without doing some bizarre hackery
  77 2011-05-06 00:11:33 <xelister> io_error: I know how to do the bizarre hackery \o
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  79 2011-05-06 00:11:40 <xelister> also, forums work there. freetalk, fms
  80 2011-05-06 00:11:49 <iera> ddos was probably tried already on tor
  81 2011-05-06 00:12:33 <xelister> io_error: also: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7181.0
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  83 2011-05-06 00:12:42 <xelister> there are ideas to put bitcoin protocol on freenet
  84 2011-05-06 00:13:15 <xelister> we can put there some mtgox orders protocol too
  85 2011-05-06 00:13:27 <xelister> ofcourse it will take months or years before wide adoption
  86 2011-05-06 00:13:33 <xelister> but staring of someting interesting :)
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  88 2011-05-06 00:13:47 <xelister> untracable, UNBLOCKABLE and un-DDoSable bitcoin exchange.
  89 2011-05-06 00:13:50 <iera> could be interesting
  90 2011-05-06 00:14:01 <xelister> MagicalTux:  sounds interesting
  91 2011-05-06 00:14:40 sipa has joined
  92 2011-05-06 00:14:50 <SaneSmith> I've got a bitcoin exchange forum
  93 2011-05-06 00:15:28 <xelister> btw #btcfn is channel for planned bitcoin-over-freenet (and other tunels) protcol
  94 2011-05-06 00:15:43 <xelister> eveyrone is welcomed to come idle with use elite bitcoin+cryptonets elite =)
  95 2011-05-06 00:17:02 <ArtForz> bitcoin over freenet over ipv6 over facebook over ipv4 over tor over ipv4 over avian carriers? *ducks*
  96 2011-05-06 00:18:46 <ArtForz> no... pigeons, not ducks
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  98 2011-05-06 00:24:36 <xelister> ArtForz: bitcoin over freenet over niggers in the east side boy \o/
  99 2011-05-06 00:24:40 <xelister> that is *actually* possible
 100 2011-05-06 00:24:50 <xelister> with sneakernets in freenet one day :)
 101 2011-05-06 00:25:07 <ArtForz> ipv6 over facebook and ipv4 over avian carriers are also possible
 102 2011-05-06 00:25:11 <jrabbit> Sneakernets are old hat
 103 2011-05-06 00:25:11 <ArtForz> both have been done
 104 2011-05-06 00:25:14 <jrabbit> HUMANETS
 105 2011-05-06 00:25:26 <jrabbit> networks based on the patterns of human motion as a colelctive
 106 2011-05-06 00:25:35 <xelister> batman mashnets wifi
 107 2011-05-06 00:25:39 <xelister> mesh
 108 2011-05-06 00:25:42 <jrabbit> an intresting concept I'd love to see
 109 2011-05-06 00:25:48 <xelister> anything over facebook steno \o.
 110 2011-05-06 00:26:12 <jrabbit> (basically your phone says you can run this route, and accepts packets to it)
 111 2011-05-06 00:26:27 <BitMark> ArtForz: what was the ping?
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 113 2011-05-06 00:33:23 <BlueMatt> necrodearia: ?
 114 2011-05-06 00:34:32 <ArtForz> iirc a few days
 115 2011-05-06 00:35:54 <xelister> jrabbit: delegalize jogging, think of the children
 116 2011-05-06 00:36:50 <BlueMatt> how many bytes is a pubkey on disk?
 117 2011-05-06 00:39:08 <necrodearia> BlueMatt, !
 118 2011-05-06 00:41:51 <sipa> BlueMatt: 65
 119 2011-05-06 00:42:08 <BlueMatt> sipa: good
 120 2011-05-06 00:42:12 <BlueMatt> thanks
 121 2011-05-06 00:42:34 <BlueMatt> sipa: Im assuming key.GetPubKey() is also 65 then?
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 123 2011-05-06 00:42:44 <sipa> BlueMatt: i believe so
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 125 2011-05-06 00:42:57 <sipa> (of which 33 are necessary, by the way)
 126 2011-05-06 00:43:08 <BlueMatt> sipa: Im just asking for IVs
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 128 2011-05-06 00:43:41 <sipa> BlueMatt: i'd use the sha256 of the pubkey, indeed
 129 2011-05-06 00:44:00 <BlueMatt> so HASH(key.GetPubKey()) then?
 130 2011-05-06 00:44:01 <sipa> you're talking about wallet encryption, right?
 131 2011-05-06 00:44:05 <BlueMatt> yea
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 140 2011-05-06 00:54:28 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, there is no guarantee that a public key will be 65 bytes
 141 2011-05-06 00:54:29 <phantomcircuit> :|
 142 2011-05-06 00:55:20 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: Im hashing it, its all good
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 147 2011-05-06 00:59:47 <sipa> phantomcircuit: actually, there is
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 149 2011-05-06 01:00:09 <sipa> it defined by the non-compressed ecdsa encoding
 150 2011-05-06 01:00:18 <sipa> the first byte will always be 04, by the way
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 153 2011-05-06 01:05:04 <phantomcircuit> sipa, the length of the non compressed ecdsa encoding isn't determinate for newly generated keys
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 156 2011-05-06 01:13:30 <BlueMatt> someone want to send some testnet coins this way? mn989xK5APtqJmWsLL8brxUS9hSepuV2cj
 157 2011-05-06 01:13:49 <io_error> How many you want?
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 159 2011-05-06 01:13:59 <BlueMatt> io_error: whatever you have
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 161 2011-05-06 01:14:12 <BlueMatt> just need to test txsigning
 162 2011-05-06 01:14:29 <io_error> Enjoy!
 163 2011-05-06 01:14:34 <BlueMatt> thanks
 164 2011-05-06 01:14:48 <io_error> Haha, it's fun to send 100 bitcoins, even if it is testnet
 165 2011-05-06 01:15:05 <BlueMatt> more fun to be on the receiving end ;)
 166 2011-05-06 01:15:24 <io_error> Hm, nobody's testnet mining
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 168 2011-05-06 01:15:38 <BlueMatt> can you give me a testnet address of yours to ping these back to?
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 170 2011-05-06 01:15:45 <io_error> mnjXX55qY3b2Ng91jXSPcCv9LmxCCLpbXn
 171 2011-05-06 01:15:47 <BlueMatt> actually, Ill just send to faucet
 172 2011-05-06 01:15:49 <BlueMatt> or that
 173 2011-05-06 01:16:05 <BlueMatt> arg, need a miner
 174 2011-05-06 01:16:10 <io_error> see?
 175 2011-05-06 01:16:14 <BlueMatt> someone want to testnet mine?
 176 2011-05-06 01:16:34 <io_error> 20 blocks in a day and a half is not gonna work too well
 177 2011-05-06 01:16:57 <io_error> Hang on I'll throw a GPU on it for a few
 178 2011-05-06 01:17:01 <BlueMatt> thanks
 179 2011-05-06 01:17:55 <BlueMatt> nevermind, I got a block
 180 2011-05-06 01:18:09 <BlueMatt> well Ill still be testing for a bit so miners help
 181 2011-05-06 01:18:31 <io_error> I'll leave the miner running, still got 5 block waiting to mature
 182 2011-05-06 01:18:33 <io_error> er, make that 6
 183 2011-05-06 01:18:50 <io_error> got your 0/unconfirmed
 184 2011-05-06 01:19:03 <io_error> for 50.00
 185 2011-05-06 01:19:53 <BlueMatt> I think you mined a block which stole mine
 186 2011-05-06 01:20:30 <io_error> But I didn't generate a block? not since yesterday
 187 2011-05-06 01:20:39 <BlueMatt> hm, someone did
 188 2011-05-06 01:20:39 <xelister> BlueMatt: DDoS him!!!11
 189 2011-05-06 01:20:46 <BlueMatt> oh that was me
 190 2011-05-06 01:20:50 <BlueMatt> Im looking at it wrong
 191 2011-05-06 01:21:12 <BlueMatt> in any case, encryption/decryption of privkey works, just doesnt check that pass is correct yet...
 192 2011-05-06 01:21:32 <io_error> well all I've got is my stupid little nvidia with 50Mhash/sec so it might be a few minutes before I get another block
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 194 2011-05-06 01:21:46 <BlueMatt> sipa: is there more than 1 way to go from ECDSA privkey->pubkey?
 195 2011-05-06 01:21:55 <BlueMatt> io_error: same here (though only 46)
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 204 2011-05-06 01:24:55 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * r13fa0bd1c05c intersango/ (api.php util.php): return order id and json format on succesfull order from api. http://tinyurl.com/3wbon7m
 205 2011-05-06 01:24:56 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * rda0462886f00 intersango/ (api.php www/api/buyBTC.php www/api/sellBTC.php): rename place_api_order_fixed to api_place_order_fixed http://tinyurl.com/3kppo6j
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 207 2011-05-06 01:25:13 <BlueMatt> sipa: can you even easily derive a ecdsa pubkey from privkey?
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 209 2011-05-06 01:25:24 <io_error> Oh look, someone generated a block
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 226 2011-05-06 01:25:32 <BlueMatt> I got another one :)
 227 2011-05-06 01:25:43 <BlueMatt> sipa: can you even easily derive a ecdsa pubkey from privkey?
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 233 2011-05-06 01:27:14 <grbgout> BlueMatt: another what?
 234 2011-05-06 01:27:26 <io_error> we're testnet mining
 235 2011-05-06 01:27:30 <BlueMatt> grbgout: block on testnet
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 237 2011-05-06 01:29:25 <BlueMatt> io_error: alright, until I need it again Im done testnet mining, thanks for the help and the testnet coins (Ill send them back your way slowly as I test more)
 238 2011-05-06 01:29:48 <vorlov> is there any pool that utilizes phoenix's MMP?
 239 2011-05-06 01:29:56 <io_error> BlueMatt: enjoy :)
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 244 2011-05-06 01:37:13 <BitMark> what is mmp?
 245 2011-05-06 01:38:11 <vorlov> pushing of getwork packets
 246 2011-05-06 01:38:11 <vorlov> ?
 247 2011-05-06 01:44:57 <vorlov> so im trying to run phoenix and its only discovering my cpu
 248 2011-05-06 01:45:00 <vorlov> any ideas why?
 249 2011-05-06 01:47:05 <vorlov> while system components and catalyst show my 5870
 250 2011-05-06 01:47:18 <vorlov> now the 5870 tho says disabled inside catalyst only.... tho windows claims its not disabled
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 253 2011-05-06 01:50:13 <ArtForz> btw, some engineer at xilinx has a sense of humor
 254 2011-05-06 01:50:24 <ArtForz> minimum data arrival time before clock
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 257 2011-05-06 01:50:35 <ArtForz> Tdick
 258 2011-05-06 01:52:46 <vorlov> guys? would you happen to know if i need to enable something in order for my 5870 show up in dos
 259 2011-05-06 01:54:57 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * r9b947cb6cfb0 intersango/ (api.php www/api/getOrders.php): added getOrders api method. http://tinyurl.com/6zwfxh2
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 261 2011-05-06 01:59:16 <theymos> New /q page: http://blockexplorer.com/q/mytransactions . It dumps all transactions for specified addresses. This can be used to make a simple Bitcoin client. Example: http://blockexplorer.com/q/mytransactions/1Cvvr8AsCfbbVQ2xoWiFD1Gb2VRbGsEf28
 262 2011-05-06 02:01:00 <theymos> You can give it a block hash to return only new transactions, and it has good support for ETag & If-None-Match.
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 267 2011-05-06 02:06:03 <io_error> Hm, the bitcoin client doesn't show generated until 2 blocks later. Is that normal?
 268 2011-05-06 02:06:08 <theymos> Yes.
 269 2011-05-06 02:06:31 <io_error> Gawd, I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to figure out what was wrong with my miner because I thought it wasn't generating anything
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 276 2011-05-06 02:13:59 <BlueMatt> aaand, CRYPTER IS DONE!
 277 2011-05-06 02:14:09 * BlueMatt realizes its 4am and goes to bed
 278 2011-05-06 02:14:57 <BlueMatt> can someone benchmark startup of my crypter branch, I have a feeling its a bit slow, but Im not sure what kind of impact it actually has
 279 2011-05-06 02:14:59 <BlueMatt> gnight all
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 282 2011-05-06 02:23:00 <vorlov> ;;bc,mtgox
 283 2011-05-06 02:23:00 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.447,"low":3.29,"vol":16218,"buy":3.33,"sell":3.332,"last":3.33}}
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 289 2011-05-06 02:30:29 <vorlov> guys? any suggestions as to why windows wont show my ATI in dos?
 290 2011-05-06 02:30:38 <vorlov> it shows it in the system components... but not in dos using pocl
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 294 2011-05-06 02:39:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122140 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 835 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 3 hours, 58 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 150450.34062691
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 315 2011-05-06 03:13:06 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,calc [eligius]
 316 2011-05-06 03:13:07 <gribble> Error: "eligius" is not a valid command.
 317 2011-05-06 03:13:43 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
 318 2011-05-06 03:13:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 14660155.037 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 8 hours, 55 minutes, and 29 seconds
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 321 2011-05-06 03:24:57 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * r109fb0f003b2 intersango/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add cancelOrder, add a new module for orders functionality and factor cancel order functionality into it. http://tinyurl.com/3l2yjgs
 322 2011-05-06 03:24:57 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * rbfee8458f99f intersango/ (6 files in 3 dirs): moved api.php to lib/api.php http://tinyurl.com/3hrv6v7
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 328 2011-05-06 03:40:20 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: did ya see our orphan? ☹
 329 2011-05-06 03:40:38 <Blitzboom> :(
 330 2011-05-06 03:41:00 <Blitzboom> needs more hashpower
 331 2011-05-06 03:41:07 <luke-jr> yeah
 332 2011-05-06 03:41:15 <Blitzboom> to reduce variance
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 334 2011-05-06 03:43:27 <theymos> luke-jr: Your pool requires a fee of 0.00008 BTC per 1000 bytes?
 335 2011-05-06 03:43:47 <luke-jr> theymos: 0.00004096
 336 2011-05-06 03:43:51 <luke-jr> per 512 bytes
 337 2011-05-06 03:44:03 <theymos> Why per 512? Bitcoin deals in 1000.
 338 2011-05-06 03:44:12 <luke-jr> I don't.
 339 2011-05-06 03:44:29 <luke-jr> what do you mean Bitcoin deals in 1000
 340 2011-05-06 03:44:36 <theymos> It would work to tell Bitcoin to give 0.00008, though?
 341 2011-05-06 03:44:39 <luke-jr> I haven't seen anything in the protocol using 1000 byte sizes
 342 2011-05-06 03:44:41 <luke-jr> no
 343 2011-05-06 03:44:46 <luke-jr> oh
 344 2011-05-06 03:44:54 <theymos> Fees are per 1000 bytes.
 345 2011-05-06 03:44:58 <luke-jr> that would work for 512 bytes
 346 2011-05-06 03:45:09 <luke-jr> theymos: so you get 24 extra bytes
 347 2011-05-06 03:45:20 <luke-jr> buy 1000, get 24 free
 348 2011-05-06 03:45:21 <luke-jr> :P
 349 2011-05-06 03:45:33 <luke-jr> but anyhow, fees aren't bitcoin, they're miner policy
 350 2011-05-06 03:45:55 <luke-jr> if you have over 512 bytes, you need at least 0.00008192 BTC fee
 351 2011-05-06 03:46:13 <luke-jr> 0.00009 would work
 352 2011-05-06 03:46:17 <theymos> Right, but the "pay tx fee" option is Bitcoin. I was wondering what to tell people who want to do non-standard transactions and stuff and stuff.
 353 2011-05-06 03:46:26 <theymos> OK, thanks.
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 355 2011-05-06 03:46:37 <luke-jr> oooh, you mean the paytxfee automatic doubling stuff
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 357 2011-05-06 03:47:07 <luke-jr> to do non-standard transactions, you need to hack the client anyway. I would just merge my policy branch.
 358 2011-05-06 03:49:11 <theymos> Convieniently, it seems that 0.00004096/512=0.00008/1000, so I can just tell people to pay 0.00008 BTC per decimal kB.
 359 2011-05-06 03:50:00 <luke-jr> theymos: I don't think that will work.
 360 2011-05-06 03:50:23 <theymos> Why?
 361 2011-05-06 03:50:26 <io_error> /headdesk
 362 2011-05-06 03:50:38 <luke-jr> (1 + (int64)nBytes / 0x200) * TCOIN
 363 2011-05-06 03:51:15 <luke-jr> theymos: it isn't a variable scale
 364 2011-05-06 03:51:57 <luke-jr> 0..511 bytes is 0.00004096; 512..1023 bytes is 0.00008192
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 366 2011-05-06 03:52:19 <theymos> Bitcoin rounds up when paying fees, too.
 367 2011-05-06 03:52:46 <theymos> As a multiple of the specified fee per kB.
 368 2011-05-06 03:54:54 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * r39fe876c2f29 intersango/docs/api.txt: added documentation for the bot api. http://tinyurl.com/4xt87aw
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 372 2011-05-06 03:59:12 <luke-jr> theymos: sounds like for the moment, -paytxfee 0.00008192 is the best you can do without modifying the client
 373 2011-05-06 03:59:26 <luke-jr> perhaps I should make it non-rounding
 374 2011-05-06 03:59:47 <theymos> OK
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 377 2011-05-06 04:02:50 <justmoon> during blockchain download does the off. client actually verify tx sigs?
 378 2011-05-06 04:03:11 <theymos> Yes.
 379 2011-05-06 04:03:46 <justmoon> why is that necessary? if someone sends you a corrupted chain, won't the correct one simply be longer?
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 381 2011-05-06 04:04:23 <phantomcircuit> justmoon, a block isn't valid if it contains any transactions which don't validate
 382 2011-05-06 04:04:52 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * raf822bd52d51 intersango/ (lib/api.php www/api/getBalance.php): added getBalance api function. http://tinyurl.com/5tchshe
 383 2011-05-06 04:04:53 <theymos> You could probably verify only the last 1000 blocks pretty safely. I hope the official client never does this, though, since it does add some risk.
 384 2011-05-06 04:04:54 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * r0a244ca844c7 intersango/docs/api.txt: added getBalance api documentation. http://tinyurl.com/5uetwnl
 385 2011-05-06 04:04:55 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * ra9c03ca81978 intersango/docs/api.txt: added missing getTrades documentation. http://tinyurl.com/6chn9wn
 386 2011-05-06 04:05:08 <justmoon> yeah, but couldn't you say only verify the top 200 blocks of the chain? what's the chance that somebody creates a bogus 200 tx chain longer than the valid one
 387 2011-05-06 04:05:09 <justmoon> ?
 388 2011-05-06 04:05:29 <justmoon> s/tx/block/
 389 2011-05-06 04:06:26 <phantomcircuit> justmoon, well you're half right, but that would mean that the time to verify transactions in the future is significantly longer
 390 2011-05-06 04:06:43 <justmoon> I don't follow?
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 392 2011-05-06 04:07:43 <phantomcircuit> justmoon, transactions are a chain, you cant verify one in the last 200 blocks without verifying every single one in that chain
 393 2011-05-06 04:08:07 <phantomcircuit> the easiest way to guarantee this is to require each block have all it's transactions verified
 394 2011-05-06 04:08:16 <theymos> If you assume older ones are valid, you can verify new ones.
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 396 2011-05-06 04:08:39 <justmoon> yeah exactly, I'm proposing assuming all tx with >200 confirmations are valid
 397 2011-05-06 04:08:50 <justmoon> (200 being some arbitrary number tbd)
 398 2011-05-06 04:09:09 <theymos> It's a safe assumption that blocks before the last checkpoint are valid. I don't like the idea of it, though.
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 401 2011-05-06 04:10:11 <phantomcircuit> theymos, sure but that's a bad idea :P
 402 2011-05-06 04:10:33 <justmoon> hmm
 403 2011-05-06 04:10:38 <phantomcircuit> especially since if everybody does it...
 404 2011-05-06 04:10:47 <theymos> Other than placing more trust in the official release, why is it a bad idea?
 405 2011-05-06 04:11:07 <phantomcircuit> theymos, you're placing more trust in the other peers to do your verification for you
 406 2011-05-06 04:11:15 <phantomcircuit> it's probably a safe bet 99% of the time
 407 2011-05-06 04:11:16 <phantomcircuit> but well
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 409 2011-05-06 04:11:21 <SerajewelKS> what's the recommended way to do transaction processing in applications?  poll bitcoind periodically?  how does one ask bitcoind for, say, all transactions with 6+ confirmations on or after a particular date or block number?
 410 2011-05-06 04:11:30 <justmoon> should I start a thread about it?
 411 2011-05-06 04:11:40 <theymos> Not peers. Bitcoin has a hardcoded hash. Blocks before that *can't* be wrong if you trust Bitcoin.
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 414 2011-05-06 04:11:50 <xelister> yo theymos
 415 2011-05-06 04:11:53 <theymos> Hi.
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 417 2011-05-06 04:12:21 <phantomcircuit> theymos, oh you mean the checkpoint
 418 2011-05-06 04:12:23 <BitMark> so if we are at like block 200000000 and i want to spend an outpoint from block 10
 419 2011-05-06 04:12:28 <BitMark> will that be possible?
 420 2011-05-06 04:12:28 <SerajewelKS> i'm looking for a way to limit the output of listtransactions such that i don't see transactions i've already processed, but that i won't miss any that i haven't.
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 422 2011-05-06 04:12:51 <theymos> BitMark: Yes.
 423 2011-05-06 04:13:19 <phantomcircuit> SerajewelKS, i dont think you can
 424 2011-05-06 04:13:24 <BitMark> is there any block count for which that gets very very hard?
 425 2011-05-06 04:13:33 <theymos> It never gets hard.
 426 2011-05-06 04:13:41 <SerajewelKS> phantomcircuit: i can't see how
 427 2011-05-06 04:13:48 <SerajewelKS> phantomcircuit: oh you said "don't"
 428 2011-05-06 04:14:05 <phantomcircuit> SerajewelKS, you'd just need to keep a list of transactions you've already processed
 429 2011-05-06 04:14:31 <SerajewelKS> phantomcircuit: i would have such a list, of course.  but i don't want to ask bitcoind for every transaction whenever i need to check for new ones.
 430 2011-05-06 04:14:59 <phantomcircuit> yeah no idea
 431 2011-05-06 04:14:59 <SerajewelKS> that would also tax the database as i check each transaction in the output against the database
 432 2011-05-06 04:15:12 <phantomcircuit> i wouldn't be using the mainline client anyways so...
 433 2011-05-06 04:15:13 <SerajewelKS> i'm curious how sites like mtgox deal with this problem
 434 2011-05-06 04:15:39 <SerajewelKS> well, i don't trust myself enough to patch C++.  i also don't like C++, so that's half the problem.
 435 2011-05-06 04:16:01 <theymos> MtGox probably uses getreceivedbyaddress instead of listtransactions.
 436 2011-05-06 04:16:47 <SerajewelKS> so every so often, it gets the addresses that haven't seen any transactions yet (according to its db) and does a getreceivedbyaddress call for each of those?
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 438 2011-05-06 04:17:20 <theymos> Yeah, that's my guess.
 439 2011-05-06 04:17:25 <SerajewelKS> hmm
 440 2011-05-06 04:17:57 <SerajewelKS> that's not a bad idea, but that necessitates disabling the addresses after a while, and i'm not sure i'm comfortable with the idea that if someone accidentally sends money to the address a second time, it would not get noticed
 441 2011-05-06 04:19:12 <SerajewelKS> bitcoind doesn't really seem like it's designed for ecommerce :/
 442 2011-05-06 04:19:21 <theymos> listtransactions should support a block hash as a parameter, and then show only transactions after that hash.
 443 2011-05-06 04:19:45 <SerajewelKS> i agree.  except for the special case where a block was invalidated by a longer chain.
 444 2011-05-06 04:20:11 <SerajewelKS> i'm not sure how to handle that
 445 2011-05-06 04:20:12 <theymos> That's what my http://blockexplorer.com/q/mytransactions page does.
 446 2011-05-06 04:20:22 <theymos> I suppose you could getblock all blocks and search for transactions to you.
 447 2011-05-06 04:20:58 <SerajewelKS> getblock?
 448 2011-05-06 04:21:29 <theymos> I thought there was some RPC method to get full blocks in the latest version. Maybe not. There's a patch that adds it, at least.
 449 2011-05-06 04:21:36 <SerajewelKS> i see
 450 2011-05-06 04:21:41 <SerajewelKS> is there a patch that adds mytransactions?
 451 2011-05-06 04:21:50 <SerajewelKS> this looks like what i'm after
 452 2011-05-06 04:21:51 <theymos> No. That's part of Bitcoin Block Explorer.
 453 2011-05-06 04:22:04 <theymos> It uses a database -- it doesn't talk to Bitcoin.
 454 2011-05-06 04:22:10 <SerajewelKS> ah
 455 2011-05-06 04:22:18 <SerajewelKS> well shoot
 456 2011-05-06 04:23:04 <SerajewelKS> there's really only one thing i can think to do that would not be breakable
 457 2011-05-06 04:23:47 <SerajewelKS> call listtransactions with a certain count.  look for the transaction that was last processed, then process everything after it.  if it's not found, double the count and repeat.
 458 2011-05-06 04:24:12 <SerajewelKS> seems like a kludge though
 459 2011-05-06 04:24:13 <vorlov> is there a quick and diryt on installing boost on windos 7
 460 2011-05-06 04:24:14 <vorlov> ?
 461 2011-05-06 04:24:53 <phantomcircuit> lol i doubt it
 462 2011-05-06 04:25:38 <io_error> vorlov: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_46_1/more/getting_started/windows.html
 463 2011-05-06 04:26:01 <vorlov> is it required for poclbm to work
 464 2011-05-06 04:26:02 <vorlov> ?
 465 2011-05-06 04:26:10 <vorlov> my pocl tells me the following:
 466 2011-05-06 04:26:18 <SerajewelKS> theymos: if part of the block chain is invalidated, and i had processed transactions in that chain, i assume that the re-introduced transactions would have the same hash, yes?  so i might not be able to rely on the fact that transaction X is in the same block?
 467 2011-05-06 04:26:31 <vorlov> importerror: dll load failed with error code -5269xxxxxx
 468 2011-05-06 04:26:36 <SerajewelKS> maybe i should key off the transaction ID and the block ID?
 469 2011-05-06 04:26:44 <vorlov> after trying to import the pyopencl
 470 2011-05-06 04:26:54 <phantomcircuit> SerajewelKS, transaction hashes are independent of the block they're in
 471 2011-05-06 04:26:57 <theymos> SerajewelKS: Right.
 472 2011-05-06 04:26:59 <SerajewelKS> right
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 474 2011-05-06 04:27:10 <SerajewelKS> hmm, it's a shame listtransactions doesn't include the block hash
 475 2011-05-06 04:27:17 <SerajewelKS> maybe my C knowledge will be enough to hack that in
 476 2011-05-06 04:27:54 <SerajewelKS> seems like a lot of work just for ecommerce
 477 2011-05-06 04:27:59 <theymos> I don't think it'd be too difficult. I think there may even be a patch lying around somewhere that does it. I seem to remember this being on the to-do list for Bitcoin.
 478 2011-05-06 04:28:24 <SerajewelKS> it'd be neat if bitcoind would let you mark a transaction as having been seen
 479 2011-05-06 04:28:39 <SerajewelKS> "listunseentransactions"
 480 2011-05-06 04:28:51 <SerajewelKS> or "listnewtransactions"
 481 2011-05-06 04:29:23 <SerajewelKS> that would simplify the process of reconciling bitcoin transactions with another DB
 482 2011-05-06 04:30:18 <theymos> You should start a topic about it on the forum.
 483 2011-05-06 04:30:19 <ntosme2> SerajewelKS: a simple python script should do that for you, you just need to keep track of the last seen txid
 484 2011-05-06 04:30:26 <phantomcircuit> SerajewelKS, what are you using this for specifically?
 485 2011-05-06 04:30:44 <SerajewelKS> phantomcircuit: i'm not sure yet, just noodling around
 486 2011-05-06 04:31:06 <SerajewelKS> if i can't solve this problem, there's not much point in building anything ;)
 487 2011-05-06 04:31:29 <SerajewelKS> ntosme2: perhaps.  it depends if the transaction was orphaned.
 488 2011-05-06 04:31:33 <doublec> what if you want to reconcile against different databases. having a 'markseen' won't help with that.
 489 2011-05-06 04:31:51 <theymos> For small sites you can use getreceivedbyaccount.
 490 2011-05-06 04:31:56 <SerajewelKS> ntosme2: for example if i last saw id "foo" and the block "foo" is in gets orphaned
 491 2011-05-06 04:32:10 <SerajewelKS> ntosme2: when "foo" gets reintroduced, i will have effectively skipped a bunch of transactions
 492 2011-05-06 04:32:20 <ntosme2> ah, I didn't consider that
 493 2011-05-06 04:32:37 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: the way I've seen my exchange software do it is that it creates accounts for each user and in cron checks listtransaction every 5 min when funds are found it deposits the funds into the mysql account of that user and moves the funds from that address to central fund
 494 2011-05-06 04:32:44 <SerajewelKS> doublec: perhaps.  in that case i would probably use an intermediary database -- insert the new transactions there, and provide more advanced marking functionality to the other databases
 495 2011-05-06 04:33:25 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: hmm, interesting.  i think it would make more sense to check listaccounts though and look for those with a nonzero balance.
 496 2011-05-06 04:33:34 <SerajewelKS> but that might be the way to go...
 497 2011-05-06 04:34:14 <SerajewelKS> for those with nonzero i could issue a getreceivedbyaccount and reconcile all the listed transactions
 498 2011-05-06 04:34:27 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: it zero's the ballance of the bitcoin address when funds are found.  it seems to work
 499 2011-05-06 04:34:28 <SerajewelKS> then move the balance to the main account, as a way of marking the account as reconciled
 500 2011-05-06 04:34:42 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: you mean the account, not the address :)
 501 2011-05-06 04:34:49 <SerajewelKS> yeah, yeah, this seems like the way to go
 502 2011-05-06 04:35:11 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: yes the users bitcoin address account
 503 2011-05-06 04:35:57 <SerajewelKS> my only concern is that the "listaccounts" output might eventually get *huge*
 504 2011-05-06 04:36:15 <SerajewelKS> maybe bitcoind could be patched to allow an option to listaccounts that only displays those with a nonzero balance
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 506 2011-05-06 04:38:05 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: I'm sure that can be handled with the mysql functions
 507 2011-05-06 04:38:24 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: mysql functions?  bitcoind doesn't use mysql.
 508 2011-05-06 04:38:43 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: my software keeps the use accounts in mysql
 509 2011-05-06 04:38:48 <SerajewelKS> i know
 510 2011-05-06 04:39:03 <SerajewelKS> but when you call listaccounts in bitcoind to see which accounts have new activity, that list will only keep growing as you get new users
 511 2011-05-06 04:39:56 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: I guess I don't wory that far into the future as long as it works today
 512 2011-05-06 04:40:18 <nanotube> UukGoblin: no i'm not /sure/, but since i understand only /spent/ transactions will be pruned, and these will never be spent... that should be the case. :)
 513 2011-05-06 04:40:20 <SerajewelKS> that's true
 514 2011-05-06 04:40:24 <SerajewelKS> i'm probably prematurely optimizing
 515 2011-05-06 04:40:40 <SerajewelKS> anyway, i need to go shower and get to bed :)
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 554 2011-05-06 05:49:57 <Stuee> Evening all :-)
 555 2011-05-06 05:50:36 <Stuee> Anybody using guiminer with poclbm?
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 557 2011-05-06 05:54:06 <bitcurious> hi, is there anyone here who can help me with wallet backup issues?
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 559 2011-05-06 05:54:50 <x5x> bitcurious, yea go ahead and send me ur wallet
 560 2011-05-06 05:56:06 <bitcurious> i had to switch computers and i transferred the wallet.dat file into the new system's appdata, and now the bitcoin app is showing all the transactions in grey and says my balance is 0
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 562 2011-05-06 05:57:33 <bitcurious> and the status bar at the bottom is flashing like crazy, and the number of blocks (to the left of the number of connections and to the right of the number of transactions) keeps going up
 563 2011-05-06 05:58:55 <bitcurious> what's going on?
 564 2011-05-06 05:59:17 <ArtForz> sounds like its still downloading the block chain?
 565 2011-05-06 05:59:38 <ArtForz> ;;bc,blocks
 566 2011-05-06 05:59:38 <gribble> 122165
 567 2011-05-06 06:00:12 <gjs278> Diablo-D3 got the gigabyte working, it keeps ridiculously cool with just one 120mm fan pointed at it
 568 2011-05-06 06:00:18 <bitcurious> i see... is there a usual length to block chains?
 569 2011-05-06 06:00:32 <ArtForz> current block number is 122165
 570 2011-05-06 06:00:36 <gjs278> was doing around 65 after an hour of going with the stock oc 765
 571 2011-05-06 06:00:38 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: jesus.
 572 2011-05-06 06:00:47 <bitcurious> thanks gribble and artforz
 573 2011-05-06 06:00:58 <ArtForz> chain will keep growing to infinity at ~144 blocks per day
 574 2011-05-06 06:01:10 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: tell me, the mhashes
 575 2011-05-06 06:01:12 <gjs278> and it's not nearly as loud as every other 58xx card I've come across
 576 2011-05-06 06:01:14 <gjs278> 280
 577 2011-05-06 06:01:19 <bitcurious> ArtForz
 578 2011-05-06 06:01:24 <Diablo-D3> with bfi?
 579 2011-05-06 06:01:32 <gjs278> I was using the latest poclbm gui
 580 2011-05-06 06:01:38 <gjs278> so if it has bfi then thats the rate I got
 581 2011-05-06 06:01:40 <Diablo-D3> you still have to turn bfi on I think
 582 2011-05-06 06:01:43 <gjs278> oh ok
 583 2011-05-06 06:01:56 <Diablo-D3> I was estimating around 290 WITH bfi on
 584 2011-05-06 06:02:03 <Diablo-D3> so it seems I was wrong, my estimate was too low
 585 2011-05-06 06:02:08 <Diablo-D3> with bfi should be above 300
 586 2011-05-06 06:02:22 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: btw, did you try temps with the 300mhz memory clock hack?
 587 2011-05-06 06:02:24 <bitcurious> ArtForz: is it the new instance of the application that downloads the block chain? such that every time i try to open my wallet on a new computer, it must download the entire blockchain before it will start working?
 588 2011-05-06 06:02:24 <gjs278> yeah I def. didnt turn on bfi, just let it go
 589 2011-05-06 06:02:36 <gjs278> I couldn't get the card to downclock below 1000 mem in msi afterburner
 590 2011-05-06 06:02:47 <gjs278> plus I had to go so I didn't get much time to mess around with it
 591 2011-05-06 06:02:47 <Diablo-D3> yeah, fuck msi afterburner
 592 2011-05-06 06:02:51 <Diablo-D3> that shit just oesnt work
 593 2011-05-06 06:02:54 <gjs278> yeah
 594 2011-05-06 06:03:05 <Diablo-D3> so 65c at full ram speed, shits overclocked
 595 2011-05-06 06:03:11 <Diablo-D3> so thats like
 596 2011-05-06 06:03:15 <Diablo-D3> 55c with ram underclocked
 597 2011-05-06 06:03:19 <gjs278> yeah
 598 2011-05-06 06:03:23 <ArtForz> bitcurious: no
 599 2011-05-06 06:03:38 <gjs278> by itself it hit 76 for me so I threw the fan in the way and it dropped to 65
 600 2011-05-06 06:03:46 <gjs278> just some crappy 3 pin rosewill
 601 2011-05-06 06:03:47 <Diablo-D3> still 76
 602 2011-05-06 06:03:56 <Diablo-D3> how do you have it oriented?
 603 2011-05-06 06:04:00 <ArtForz> you can also copy blkindex.dat and blk0001.dat to take your copy of the chain with you
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 605 2011-05-06 06:04:08 <gjs278> near the end blowing out of the case
 606 2011-05-06 06:04:17 <gjs278> like across the card
 607 2011-05-06 06:04:32 <Diablo-D3> and thus exactly how my case is setup
 608 2011-05-06 06:04:47 <ArtForz> or copy a new wallet into a existing bitcoin data dir, in that case you need to rescan to resync wallet and blkindex, though latest version should do that utomatically
 609 2011-05-06 06:04:57 <Diablo-D3> the front 120mm fan blows through the top hd cage (and doesnt get any additional heat, its only 2 drives)...
 610 2011-05-06 06:04:57 <ArtForz> *a saved wallet
 611 2011-05-06 06:05:04 <Diablo-D3> and then cuts right into the video card
 612 2011-05-06 06:05:08 <Diablo-D3> like straight down the middle
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 615 2011-05-06 06:06:40 <justmoon> is there a way to get the latest bitcoin version and/or download links as JSON or something like that?
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 617 2011-05-06 06:07:08 <Diablo-D3> justmoon: erm?
 618 2011-05-06 06:07:25 <justmoon> trying to add download links to weusecoins.com and don't want to keep them updated manually
 619 2011-05-06 06:07:41 <bitcurious> ArtForz: thanks, i really apprecitae the help
 620 2011-05-06 06:07:47 <Diablo-D3> meh
 621 2011-05-06 06:07:53 <Diablo-D3> direct linking to downloads suck
 622 2011-05-06 06:08:03 <bitcurious> ArtForz: it looks like i'm back up and running now
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 666 2011-05-06 07:38:59 <bk128> ArtForz: did you actually buy these? http://www.dhgate.com/product/productdisplay.do?pid=ff8080812c305fe5012c367decb86967
 667 2011-05-06 07:39:17 <bk128> guy only has 75% positive feedback
 668 2011-05-06 07:39:40 BitMark has quit (Quit: BitMark)
 669 2011-05-06 07:41:49 <bk128> hah http://cgi.ebay.com/PCI-Express-PCIe-16x-Riser-Card-Flexible-Extender-Cable-/150597357494?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item23104d4fb6 "great for games and bitcoin"
 670 2011-05-06 07:42:39 <ArtForz> bk128: yea, though I didnt order over dhgate
 671 2011-05-06 07:43:11 <bk128> ArtForz: do you think that second one would be okay?  as long as I check the pinout, it can't hurt, right?
 672 2011-05-06 07:43:18 <bk128> looks delicate though
 673 2011-05-06 07:43:32 <ArtForz> well, it's a rather cheap cable, might cause problems at 2.0 speeds
 674 2011-05-06 07:43:46 <ArtForz> and wider risers seem more prone to it than smaller ones
 675 2011-05-06 07:43:57 <ArtForz> = if you go with cheap, go with cheap x1 risers ;)
 676 2011-05-06 07:45:51 <bk128> http://cgi.ebay.com/PCI-E-express-1X-riser-card-adapter-extender-flex-/320627812981
 677 2011-05-06 07:46:05 <ArtForz> yep, these
 678 2011-05-06 07:46:07 <bk128> definitely a lot cheaper
 679 2011-05-06 07:46:13 x5x is now known as x5x`brb
 680 2011-05-06 07:46:18 <bk128> i'll let you know how they work, if I ever get them :)
 681 2011-05-06 07:48:17 <bk128> ok, just bought a few
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 697 2011-05-06 08:42:52 <bk128> this guy is arguing pro water cooling, tell me I'm not crazy "sturles: My pump uses less than 5 watts.  No fan.  Card uses 20 W less at same clock because it runs colder."
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 700 2011-05-06 08:46:12 <[Tycho]> Watercooling is insanely expensive and delays BE
 701 2011-05-06 08:48:35 <ArtForz> big endian?
 702 2011-05-06 08:48:45 <[Tycho]> Breaking Even
 703 2011-05-06 08:48:50 <ArtForz> yup
 704 2011-05-06 08:49:20 <ArtForz> but then it's more fun for special projects
 705 2011-05-06 08:49:35 <gjs278> and when you do break even, now you have water cooled ati cards
 706 2011-05-06 08:49:38 <[Tycho]> I have an offer to buy 2x5970 with waterblocks, ~$350 each, but not sure what to do with them :)
 707 2011-05-06 08:49:40 <ArtForz> like... mining powered heated floors ;)
 708 2011-05-06 08:49:51 <gjs278> 350 for the card AND the block included?
 709 2011-05-06 08:49:56 <[Tycho]> Yes.
 710 2011-05-06 08:49:59 <gjs278> dang
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 712 2011-05-06 08:50:11 <gjs278> everything I saw was $450 if I wanted the block (i didnt)
 713 2011-05-06 08:50:22 <ArtForz> plumbing watercooled PCs into low-temp heating loops with a plate exchangers is rather simple
 714 2011-05-06 08:50:59 <scottlad> Hello, Anyone need any hosting, We have dedicated servers...vps...basic pacjages .... shoiutcast
 715 2011-05-06 08:51:02 <gjs278> my breaking even for everything is 11 days
 716 2011-05-06 08:51:13 <bk128> ArtForz: does running the card cooler reduce power consumption at all?
 717 2011-05-06 08:51:19 <bk128> besides fan power
 718 2011-05-06 08:51:24 <ArtForz> yes
 719 2011-05-06 08:52:01 <[Tycho]> Leakage loss ?
 720 2011-05-06 08:52:05 <ArtForz> yep
 721 2011-05-06 08:52:15 <ArtForz> and RDS(on) loss of the VRM FETs
 722 2011-05-06 08:52:35 <bk128> is it significant for 50C vs 80C?
 723 2011-05-06 08:52:40 <gjs278> lol
 724 2011-05-06 08:52:41 <ArtForz> yep
 725 2011-05-06 08:52:48 <gjs278> if you are at 80c you really should get that down
 726 2011-05-06 08:52:58 <ArtForz> well, a few watts
 727 2011-05-06 08:53:05 <bk128> so it's not 20%
 728 2011-05-06 08:53:08 <ArtForz> nope
 729 2011-05-06 08:53:11 <bk128> I'm at 78C
 730 2011-05-06 08:53:18 <gjs278> whats your memclock
 731 2011-05-06 08:53:29 <bk128> as low as it will go without hacking the card
 732 2011-05-06 08:53:37 <gjs278> linux or windows
 733 2011-05-06 08:53:40 <bk128> they're 5870s (xfx) shitty cooler
 734 2011-05-06 08:53:45 <bk128> debian
 735 2011-05-06 08:53:46 <gjs278> oh
 736 2011-05-06 08:53:48 <gjs278> well
 737 2011-05-06 08:53:56 <gjs278> you can lower your memclock on 5870s but it hurt my performance
 738 2011-05-06 08:54:14 <bk128> I'm convinced the fan on the thing does more harm than good, it moves no air out the back
 739 2011-05-06 08:54:26 <gjs278> get a 120mm fan and just put it near the back of the card
 740 2011-05-06 08:54:31 <bk128> I've tried funneling 150+cfm over it with a delta fan and it doesnt make a bit of difference
 741 2011-05-06 08:54:32 <gjs278> it will help a lot
 742 2011-05-06 08:54:35 <gjs278> wow
 743 2011-05-06 08:55:04 <gjs278> my 5970 is less than 78c with just the reference cooler, lower mem clock, and a 120mm fan
 744 2011-05-06 08:55:11 <scottlad> Hello, Anyone need any hosting, We have dedicated servers...vps...basic pacjages .... shoiutcast
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 747 2011-05-06 08:55:21 <gjs278> I'm at 69c right now at 70^ fan which is pretty quiet compared to the rest of my room
 748 2011-05-06 08:57:09 <scottlad> http://www.soulacehosting.net
 749 2011-05-06 08:57:15 <scottlad> cheap reliable hosting
 750 2011-05-06 08:57:26 <gjs278> lol
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 752 2011-05-06 09:00:42 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 1497000
 753 2011-05-06 09:00:43 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1497000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 13.7295819795 BTC per day and 0.572065915813 BTC per hour.
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 757 2011-05-06 09:05:56 <Keefe> for the uninformed... many people have alleged that scottlad/skizza1 scammed or tried to scam them
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 760 2011-05-06 09:06:52 <[Tycho]> He asked me in PM too :)
 761 2011-05-06 09:06:55 <gjs278> same
 762 2011-05-06 09:06:59 <bk128> gjs278: yeah, I have a card with a reference cooler that stays under 70C without the nice case
 763 2011-05-06 09:07:24 <bk128> same about scottlad
 764 2011-05-06 09:07:25 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 765 2011-05-06 09:07:35 <scottlad> ??
 766 2011-05-06 09:07:38 <gjs278> gribble you faggot robot answer me
 767 2011-05-06 09:07:40 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.5998,"low":3.29,"vol":29393,"buy":3.452,"sell":3.549,"last":3.549}}
 768 2011-05-06 09:07:50 <gjs278> 3.45 looking pretty good
 769 2011-05-06 09:08:15 <bk128> just mentioning that you advertised your hosting services to me
 770 2011-05-06 09:08:31 <bk128> gribble is having a rough night
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 772 2011-05-06 09:12:29 <Keefe> for the record, scottlad insists he made things right. i'll try to collect more info before further comment
 773 2011-05-06 09:13:43 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
 774 2011-05-06 09:13:46 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122200 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 775 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 34 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 150980.25720455
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 776 2011-05-06 09:13:57 <sipa> 150K diff :o
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 779 2011-05-06 09:17:08 <bk128> also watch out for dougj
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 781 2011-05-06 09:18:48 <bk128> "rate DougJ -3 owes $503.7 for 138 coins sent to http://blockexplorer.com/address/195RAmL2bSiEBDSohC6csEMTmgfDrCtnoT"
 782 2011-05-06 09:19:21 <scottlad> bk128
 783 2011-05-06 09:19:29 <scottlad> i scammed no one we had misunderstandin
 784 2011-05-06 09:19:32 <scottlad> all sorted now
 785 2011-05-06 09:19:49 <bk128> scottlad: okay, I'm not concerned about it.  I never accused you of scamming anyone...
 786 2011-05-06 09:19:58 <scottlad> u selling coins?
 787 2011-05-06 09:20:06 <bk128> nope
 788 2011-05-06 09:22:01 <UukGoblin> nanotube, 0-value output transactions can be considered as spent instantly
 789 2011-05-06 09:22:22 <gjs278> sweet
 790 2011-05-06 09:22:24 <gjs278> coins at 3.55
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 794 2011-05-06 09:25:01 <scottlad> Anyone need hosting... dedicated servers vps basic packages we accept usd gbp btc
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 801 2011-05-06 09:34:16 <eps> in slush's pool, where it says "found blocks", does that mean I would have got the 50BTC if I had been mining on my own?
 802 2011-05-06 09:34:35 <eps> ignoring the butterfly effect, etc..
 803 2011-05-06 09:34:37 <BlueMatt> not quite, it means you generate 50BTC+ for the pool
 804 2011-05-06 09:34:46 <gjs278> no he's asking
 805 2011-05-06 09:34:47 <gjs278> on his own
 806 2011-05-06 09:34:53 <gjs278> would he have gotten 50
 807 2011-05-06 09:35:12 <bk128> eps: yes that's what it means.
 808 2011-05-06 09:35:17 <eps> cool thanks
 809 2011-05-06 09:35:17 <BlueMatt> but remember, you have to chose who you are mining for and that changes the entire calculation, so not really
 810 2011-05-06 09:35:22 <BlueMatt> probability-wise yea
 811 2011-05-06 09:35:50 <gjs278> just know that if you had been solo mining, your house would have blown up. butterfly effect.
 812 2011-05-06 09:35:57 <eps> haha
 813 2011-05-06 09:36:19 <eps> mine with slush or very bad things will happen...
 814 2011-05-06 09:36:37 <gjs278> if it makes you feel any better, I've leeched 53 coins from deepbit now. 203 gained, only 3 blocks found
 815 2011-05-06 09:36:42 <bk128> I'm in luke's pool now, no fees
 816 2011-05-06 09:37:01 <eps> what is the link to lukes pool?
 817 2011-05-06 09:37:04 <bk128> gjs278: it'll even out :)
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 819 2011-05-06 09:37:21 <eps> ;;bc,help
 820 2011-05-06 09:37:21 <gribble> Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,lukepool, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias (1 more message)
 821 2011-05-06 09:37:22 <bk128> eps: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6667.0
 822 2011-05-06 09:37:30 <bk128> ;;bc,lukepool
 823 2011-05-06 09:37:46 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression.  Please remove them.
 824 2011-05-06 09:38:23 <nevezen> there's a coop mining battle going on? fees and whatnots?
 825 2011-05-06 09:38:28 <nevezen> lame
 826 2011-05-06 09:38:41 <bk128> it's good that there are multiple pools
 827 2011-05-06 09:38:50 <bk128> another link to luke's https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Eligius
 828 2011-05-06 09:38:51 <nevezen> yes, more choices
 829 2011-05-06 09:38:57 <gjs278> what the fuck is wrong with that robot
 830 2011-05-06 09:39:09 <bk128> don't know how accurate this is http://bitcoinwatch.com/
 831 2011-05-06 09:39:32 <bk128> probably pretty accurate though
 832 2011-05-06 09:39:57 <topi`> i'm setting up my own pool as well. anybody know if there's a better option than to use jgarzik's poold.py ?
 833 2011-05-06 09:40:28 <scottlad> WWW.SOULACEHOSTING.NET CHEAP RELIABLE HOSTING
 834 2011-05-06 09:40:43 <xelister> scottlad: WHY THE FUCK THE CREAMING
 835 2011-05-06 09:40:54 <bk128> BILLY MAYS HERE?
 836 2011-05-06 09:41:21 <Keefe> is there a rule against advertising here like that? i would think so
 837 2011-05-06 09:41:27 <topi`> I need to write an irssi script that allows automatic ignore of everyone who uses all caps
 838 2011-05-06 09:41:45 <bk128> add me to your whitelist :)
 839 2011-05-06 09:41:50 <topi`> hehe
 840 2011-05-06 09:42:01 <bk128> just in case I say OK or something
 841 2011-05-06 09:42:13 <topi`> so, any opinions about pool software?
 842 2011-05-06 09:42:30 <bk128> running a pool?
 843 2011-05-06 09:42:33 <[Tycho]> topi`, why do you want to start a pool ? :)
 844 2011-05-06 09:42:42 <bk128> get rich quick
 845 2011-05-06 09:43:00 <[Tycho]> No way !
 846 2011-05-06 09:43:12 <bk128> hmm, I should start a pool too
 847 2011-05-06 09:44:23 <eps> everyone should run their own individual pool
 848 2011-05-06 09:44:40 <BlueMatt> that defeats the purpose of pools
 849 2011-05-06 09:44:41 <gjs278> everyone should be in the same pool
 850 2011-05-06 09:44:51 <BlueMatt> that defeats the purpose of bitcoin
 851 2011-05-06 09:44:52 <ersi> Pool should be closed.
 852 2011-05-06 09:44:57 <gjs278> then the pool owner should take all of the coins
 853 2011-05-06 09:45:04 <gjs278> and swim in them
 854 2011-05-06 09:45:45 <bk128> habbo?
 855 2011-05-06 09:45:52 <[Tycho]> Yeah, let the buddies hit the floor !
 856 2011-05-06 09:46:17 <bk128> http://www.flomble.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/poolsclosed.jpg
 857 2011-05-06 09:47:26 <bk128> I accidentally connected my front panel wires to my motherboard usb header >_<
 858 2011-05-06 09:47:49 <bk128> hit the power button on my new system and nothing happened
 859 2011-05-06 09:49:08 <dirtyfilthy> Pools closed due to aids.
 860 2011-05-06 09:50:48 <bk128> I never understood habbo, never used it
 861 2011-05-06 09:50:54 <BlueMatt> what a dirtyfilthy thing to say
 862 2011-05-06 09:51:11 <BlueMatt> oh wait, its not thursday, sorry
 863 2011-05-06 09:53:12 <xelister> Its friday
 864 2011-05-06 09:53:14 <xelister> friday
 865 2011-05-06 09:53:19 <BlueMatt> oh god
 866 2011-05-06 09:53:20 <ersi> Friday!
 867 2011-05-06 09:53:27 <xelister> and tommorow is going to be
 868 2011-05-06 09:53:30 <ersi> It's Rebecka Black-day
 869 2011-05-06 09:53:44 * BlueMatt kills himself
 870 2011-05-06 09:55:08 <UukGoblin> hrm where was this 'unconfirmed transactions' list? thought it was on bitcoinwatch?
 871 2011-05-06 09:56:14 <BlueMatt> bitcoincharts
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 873 2011-05-06 09:56:51 <UukGoblin> ah got it
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 879 2011-05-06 10:00:38 <ersi> derp, scottlad's PMing random people in the channel
 880 2011-05-06 10:00:43 <UukGoblin> can someone help harobed on #bitcoin? he sent two transactions of 0.01 to 1GThcAjepKoffjwDACADmu1QFpjAcf1CJF about 50 minutes ago and didn't get a confirmation
 881 2011-05-06 10:01:07 <UukGoblin> transactions aren't very big, one is 223 bytes another is 258
 882 2011-05-06 10:01:53 <sipa> they didn't make it into the block chain yet
 883 2011-05-06 10:01:59 <UukGoblin> yes
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 885 2011-05-06 10:02:11 <UukGoblin> I mean yes they didn't
 886 2011-05-06 10:02:18 <xelister> scottlad: u mad, mate?
 887 2011-05-06 10:02:25 <xelister> =)
 888 2011-05-06 10:02:27 <scottlad> what?
 889 2011-05-06 10:02:40 <ersi> DerpySpam Hosting Inc
 890 2011-05-06 10:02:46 <ersi> A derp a derp derp
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 899 2011-05-06 10:11:29 <scottlad> Anyone wonna sell 2 btc for £4.43 GBP
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 901 2011-05-06 10:11:56 <BlueMatt> scottlad: try asking on #bitcoin-otc
 902 2011-05-06 10:12:17 <scottlad> am banned atm
 903 2011-05-06 10:12:26 <mologie> lol
 904 2011-05-06 10:13:05 <ersi> No shit, sherlock
 905 2011-05-06 10:13:26 <ersi> Might it be your PM spamming practises or nicely padded channel messages?
 906 2011-05-06 10:14:30 <genjix> bitcoind keeps locking up on britcoin
 907 2011-05-06 10:14:51 <BlueMatt> 0.3.21?
 908 2011-05-06 10:15:23 <genjix> no
 909 2011-05-06 10:16:16 <BlueMatt> IIRC there are a couple fixups fixed in .21
 910 2011-05-06 10:16:38 <BlueMatt> lockups*
 911 2011-05-06 10:16:48 <genjix> yeah i want the links to specific patches
 912 2011-05-06 10:17:02 <genjix> 3.2.002
 913 2011-05-06 10:17:48 <BlueMatt> mm, now that I dont have
 914 2011-05-06 10:17:58 <genjix> gonna ask on forums i think
 915 2011-05-06 10:18:18 <topi`> interesting, diablominer gave a NullPointerException
 916 2011-05-06 10:18:40 <topi`> run->update->getWork->doJSONRPC
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 918 2011-05-06 10:19:38 <jaromil> hey guys
 919 2011-05-06 10:19:50 <BlueMatt> hi JaredW
 920 2011-05-06 10:19:53 <BlueMatt> jaromil: *
 921 2011-05-06 10:19:56 <BlueMatt> damn autotab
 922 2011-05-06 10:19:59 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i'm reemerding and will check the link you sent me
 923 2011-05-06 10:20:05 <jaromil> reemerging
 924 2011-05-06 10:20:14 <jaromil> indeed, i was backed last night lol
 925 2011-05-06 10:20:21 <jaromil> baked
 926 2011-05-06 10:20:28 <tcatm> genjix: there are lots of good reasons to upgrade to .21: full-precision, sendmany, many bugfixes
 927 2011-05-06 10:20:44 <genjix> i don't need any of those.
 928 2011-05-06 10:21:24 <jaromil> genjix: which version (or commit hash) does lockup?
 929 2011-05-06 10:21:29 <JaredW> hello BlueMatt
 930 2011-05-06 10:21:34 <jaromil> i have profiling in autotools
 931 2011-05-06 10:21:38 <BlueMatt> sorry JaredW
 932 2011-05-06 10:21:42 <jaromil> can find the bug pretty easily
 933 2011-05-06 10:22:11 <genjix> no you can't because it only happens after every 4 days
 934 2011-05-06 10:22:15 <genjix> or more
 935 2011-05-06 10:22:49 <tcatm> that's the RPC deadlock
 936 2011-05-06 10:22:51 <jaromil> mmm :/
 937 2011-05-06 10:22:58 <genjix> aha thanks tcatm
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 939 2011-05-06 10:23:11 <tcatm> f5f1878ba104a5d6a32eeb20b341326dca6086a5
 940 2011-05-06 10:23:15 <genjix> yep seems you're right
 941 2011-05-06 10:23:34 <genjix> because debug.log shows more events after the rpc call
 942 2011-05-06 10:23:34 <tcatm> 57b7fe4e6f4f49de0d11d107c24430cd71007c6b
 943 2011-05-06 10:23:48 <genjix> cool :)
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 945 2011-05-06 10:24:12 <jaromil> oh! joyful joyness again!
 946 2011-05-06 10:24:57 <jaromil> ok, today i'm going to merge bitcoin master into autotools and then bluematt's fixes
 947 2011-05-06 10:25:12 <sipa> BlueMatt: is your iv-enhanced crypter patch accessible anywhere?
 948 2011-05-06 10:25:40 <BlueMatt> sipa: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commits/crypter
 949 2011-05-06 10:26:10 <BlueMatt> sipa: works and is pretty much ready for real-world testing
 950 2011-05-06 10:27:18 <jaromil> BlueMatt: can you also remind me the link you gave me yesterday? commit to mingw32 fixes?
 951 2011-05-06 10:27:26 <jaromil> can't find it back atm
 952 2011-05-06 10:27:46 <BlueMatt> jaromil: its not working, it still needs a lot of work, but its a start
 953 2011-05-06 10:28:04 <BlueMatt> jaromil: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commits/autotools
 954 2011-05-06 10:29:04 <sipa> BlueMatt: there's a typo in the last commit (pleas instead of please)
 955 2011-05-06 10:29:15 <jaromil> ack. wow i see nitpicking micro issues like moving HOST_LIBS at the end gosh
 956 2011-05-06 10:29:22 <jaromil> didn't knew flags are position dependant
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 960 2011-05-06 10:29:36 <jaromil> we need moar testing yea
 961 2011-05-06 10:30:58 <BlueMatt> sipa: oops sorry (where?)
 962 2011-05-06 10:32:23 <sipa> Pleas supply a wallet decryption password.
 963 2011-05-06 10:32:33 <sipa> lines 362 and 364 of init.cpp
 964 2011-05-06 10:32:49 <BlueMatt> ah, ok fixing
 965 2011-05-06 10:33:38 <BlueMatt> fixed
 966 2011-05-06 10:33:57 <sipa> nice, i'd love to get this merged :)
 967 2011-05-06 10:35:23 <BlueMatt> not sure, I think checking all the keys on startup might be a bit slow...
 968 2011-05-06 10:35:28 <topi`> it's all in the details :)
 969 2011-05-06 10:35:48 <topi`> BlueMatt: the startup is slow in any case, because of loading 250 MB of db from disk...
 970 2011-05-06 10:36:06 <topi`> but, I'll go and have a bike trip today, so no more computers for today :)
 971 2011-05-06 10:36:17 <BlueMatt> yea but now it decrypts and attempts to sign something on each key
 972 2011-05-06 10:36:45 <sipa> one key would suffice, no?
 973 2011-05-06 10:36:56 <BlueMatt> yea, but I was too lazy to code that
 974 2011-05-06 10:36:59 <sipa> hehe
 975 2011-05-06 10:37:06 <BlueMatt> though it is a just a couple extra lines
 976 2011-05-06 10:37:36 <sipa> an alternative is to use a single random-generated aes key, and store that encrypted using the passphrase in the wallet + checksum
 977 2011-05-06 10:37:41 <BlueMatt> (it was kinda 4am when i finished it last night so...)
 978 2011-05-06 10:37:59 <sipa> so you could easily add a change-passphrase function
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 980 2011-05-06 10:38:07 <BlueMatt> yea no I was thinking about checksums but frankly its much easier to just check that one key signs properly
 981 2011-05-06 10:38:19 <BlueMatt> less space, less cputime, less work, less coding, etc
 982 2011-05-06 10:38:29 <diki> i think i broke my gpu
 983 2011-05-06 10:38:46 <sipa> BlueMatt: sure, i agree, but now you need to reencrypt everything when changing the passphrase
 984 2011-05-06 10:38:49 <BlueMatt> though yea change-password would be nice...
 985 2011-05-06 10:38:52 <diki> starts shutting down at the slightest OC or the slightest voltage increase
 986 2011-05-06 10:39:04 <jaromil> BTW jgarzik says we shouldn't have libtool. if there is noone actually happy with it i'll proceed ripping it away
 987 2011-05-06 10:39:06 <BlueMatt> reencrypting everything isnt really that much in this case
 988 2011-05-06 10:39:34 <sipa> jaromil: i know too little about autoconf/libtool
 989 2011-05-06 10:39:53 <BlueMatt> I know nothing about autoconf/libtool (or C++ for that matter_
 990 2011-05-06 10:39:53 <sipa> jaromil: can you explain me the advantages of using libtool?
 991 2011-05-06 10:39:55 <BlueMatt> )*
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 993 2011-05-06 10:40:09 <jaromil> theoretically is not needed *now*, following the rationale of having self-contained commits
 994 2011-05-06 10:40:22 <jaromil> libtool serves to build and install correctly shared libraries
 995 2011-05-06 10:40:36 <jaromil> it sets ABI versioning in them
 996 2011-05-06 10:40:52 <sipa> but for now we don't have a shared library, and it is easy to add libtool to the build process once we do?
 997 2011-05-06 10:40:54 <jaromil> and takes care of that messy linking of different versions and stuff
 998 2011-05-06 10:41:02 <jaromil> yes it is easy also later
 999 2011-05-06 10:41:20 <jaromil> so we leave it out for now
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1001 2011-05-06 10:41:42 <jaromil> noinst_LIBRARY should suffice as jgarzik commented
1002 2011-05-06 10:41:55 <BlueMatt> fair enough
1003 2011-05-06 10:42:30 <sipa> sounds like the best option for now
1004 2011-05-06 10:47:41 <UukGoblin> quite a lot of these unconfirms
1005 2011-05-06 10:48:08 <sipa> yes
1006 2011-05-06 10:48:30 <sipa> ;;bc,help
1007 2011-05-06 10:48:30 <gribble> Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,lukepool, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias (1 more message)
1008 2011-05-06 10:48:40 <sipa> ;;bc,fx
1009 2011-05-06 10:48:43 <gribble> 1 XAU = 1480.20 USD | 1 US dollar = 0.6862 euros | 1 US dollar = 0.9688 Canadian dollars | 1 US dollar = 0.6106 British pounds sterling | 1 US dollar = 0.9379 Australian dollars | 1 US dollar = 80.3000 Japanese yen | 1 US dollar = 7.7716 Hong Kong dollars | 1 BTC = 3.5297 USD
1010 2011-05-06 10:48:48 <tcatm> do keypool addresses become "invalid" after some time?
1011 2011-05-06 10:48:59 <sipa> tcatm: not afaik
1012 2011-05-06 10:49:05 <tcatm> hrm.
1013 2011-05-06 10:49:11 <diki> XAU?
1014 2011-05-06 10:49:14 <sipa> why?
1015 2011-05-06 10:49:48 <tcatm> I decrypted my savings wallet, send some coins + change, decrypted wallet again and lost the change.
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1017 2011-05-06 10:51:02 <UukGoblin> there's even a transaction for ~5 BTC with a 0.01 fee and size 326 bytes which wasn't included... bizarre
1018 2011-05-06 10:51:25 <diki> yeah
1019 2011-05-06 10:51:31 <diki> last night same thing happened to me
1020 2011-05-06 10:51:38 <tcatm> maybe some problem with limitfreerelay?
1021 2011-05-06 10:51:40 <diki> 1.29 coins didnt get confirmed for a few blocks
1022 2011-05-06 10:51:58 <sipa> the strange thing is that it seems so abundant
1023 2011-05-06 10:52:09 <sipa> i mean, *most* blocks don't have 27K free transactions
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1025 2011-05-06 10:52:24 <BlueMatt> I hope tcatm adds the option to show a tx's prio on blockexplorer
1026 2011-05-06 10:52:28 <BlueMatt> ;)
1027 2011-05-06 10:52:45 <tcatm> i.e. spam tx filling the limitfreerelay quota, then node rejects other tx
1028 2011-05-06 10:52:51 <tcatm> BlueMatt: how do I calculate that?
1029 2011-05-06 10:53:06 <BlueMatt> tcatm: dont know, have to look at the src
1030 2011-05-06 10:53:19 <tcatm> If you do that, I'll add it.
1031 2011-05-06 10:56:23 <tcatm> mhm looks like my saving wallet does not have a keypool at all
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1033 2011-05-06 10:57:47 <UukGoblin> tcatm, could I run a query against your data to see how many bitcoins from the early blocks are unspent?
1034 2011-05-06 10:58:00 <tcatm> UukGoblin: sure
1035 2011-05-06 10:58:23 <UukGoblin> tcatm, have you got some dumps or something? :-]
1036 2011-05-06 10:58:28 <diki> anyone here have aida and a card equal to or above a 5850?
1037 2011-05-06 10:58:47 <tcatm> UukGoblin: just a minute. I'll run a mysqldump
1038 2011-05-06 11:00:00 <eps> we did that ages ago
1039 2011-05-06 11:00:23 <eps> but i can't remember what the result was
1040 2011-05-06 11:00:43 <tcatm> eps: yep. I remember asking theymos to run that query
1041 2011-05-06 11:00:46 <eps> i think that may have been coins that were never moved after being generated
1042 2011-05-06 11:01:04 <diki> anyone?
1043 2011-05-06 11:01:12 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i'm wondering how to continue the pull request, i think best is that i push your fixes without rebasing them into the final format
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1045 2011-05-06 11:01:26 <jaromil> until they get fixed, then the process is visible
1046 2011-05-06 11:01:44 <BlueMatt> what?
1047 2011-05-06 11:01:48 <tcatm> UukGoblin: might be a better idea to just tell me the query
1048 2011-05-06 11:02:22 <BlueMatt> tcatm: do you happen to have any scripts which dump the list of known nodes?
1049 2011-05-06 11:02:28 <BlueMatt> or does anyone for that matter?
1050 2011-05-06 11:02:35 <sipa> tcatm: there was once a suggestion for calculating how many BTCdays are destroyed/reset, as a measure for spending
1051 2011-05-06 11:02:50 <BlueMatt> more specifically one hat constantly runs and tries to keep a constant up-to-date list
1052 2011-05-06 11:02:56 <tcatm> BlueMatt: I don't. I think MagicalTux does
1053 2011-05-06 11:03:17 <BlueMatt> tcatm: yea, Ive been trying to get in contact with him, but hes been really busy with mtgox
1054 2011-05-06 11:03:27 <BlueMatt> shame, I suppose Ill just wait
1055 2011-05-06 11:03:58 <tcatm> UukGoblin: 984M 2011-05-06 10:58 blockchain.sql
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1058 2011-05-06 11:05:15 <jaromil> BlueMatt: nvm will show you once done
1059 2011-05-06 11:05:29 <BlueMatt> jaromil: ok, looking forward to it
1060 2011-05-06 11:06:00 <diki> Does anyone have Aida or Everest?
1061 2011-05-06 11:06:50 <diki> as i want to ask that person something, cause i think i may have broken my 5850
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1063 2011-05-06 11:08:31 <tcatm> diki: I have a few 5870/5970
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1067 2011-05-06 11:09:09 <diki> i was asking about the monitoring program Everest or Aida
1068 2011-05-06 11:09:39 <jaromil> oh i love git https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/180
1069 2011-05-06 11:09:57 <jaromil> your commits are in there because the fix is unfinished, after all will be rebased into 2 steps commit
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1071 2011-05-06 11:10:13 <jaromil> did a bit of mess but nothing is ever lost with git :D
1072 2011-05-06 11:10:59 <jaromil> basically i also tested merging to trunk myself to check if last week of changes is not conflicting and it goes smooth in fact
1073 2011-05-06 11:11:15 <scottlad> ANYONE NEED HOSTING?
1074 2011-05-06 11:11:24 <eps> free hosting?
1075 2011-05-06 11:11:25 <eps> sure
1076 2011-05-06 11:11:45 <sipa> scottlad: the right place to ask is on the forums, if no one responds, please don't keep asking over and over again
1077 2011-05-06 11:11:48 <UukGoblin> tcatm, hrm just curious actually when the first spent generation transaction is, for instance
1078 2011-05-06 11:11:51 <jeremias> lol
1079 2011-05-06 11:12:02 <jeremias> great way to advertise your hosting service, spamming in irc
1080 2011-05-06 11:12:05 <UukGoblin> tcatm, at a quick glance lots of the early blocks have generation outputs of 50 that are not redeemed
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1082 2011-05-06 11:12:21 <tcatm> UukGoblin: yep
1083 2011-05-06 11:12:23 <UukGoblin> tcatm, that could give us a rough overview of how much BTC Satoshi is hoarding ;-]
1084 2011-05-06 11:12:32 <sipa> 1 million!
1085 2011-05-06 11:12:51 <tcatm> IIRC that number was 1e6..15e5
1086 2011-05-06 11:12:55 <sipa> jaromil: how would i test mingw32 building in your branch?
1087 2011-05-06 11:13:23 <BlueMatt> sipa: on ubuntu? check out my crosscompile branch
1088 2011-05-06 11:13:41 <BlueMatt> build-linux-mingw32.txt should explain it
1089 2011-05-06 11:13:50 <UukGoblin> tcatm, ah, cool, that's a lot :-]
1090 2011-05-06 11:13:52 <BlueMatt> with new build system, look at my branch
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1092 2011-05-06 11:18:47 <jaromil> BlueMatt: your branch is now merged in the pull request
1093 2011-05-06 11:18:58 <jaromil> but we have to fix it a bit, i'm now looking into removing libtool
1094 2011-05-06 11:19:33 <jaromil> i understand pull requests aren't for WIP, yet this is such a huge moving around we really need to follow the process step by step IMHO
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1097 2011-05-06 11:22:27 <BlueMatt> jaromil: fair enough, I dont think anyone minds too much (as long as you make it clear it is not ready to be pulled yet)
1098 2011-05-06 11:24:00 <sipa> you can close the pull request and get it reopenecdd, too
1099 2011-05-06 11:24:02 <sipa> reopened
1100 2011-05-06 11:24:17 <BlueMatt> (only sipa/gavin/etc can reopen a pull req)
1101 2011-05-06 11:24:39 <jaromil> i added WIP
1102 2011-05-06 11:24:41 <sipa> i'm not convinced of that, actually
1103 2011-05-06 11:24:46 <jaromil> ah i didn't knew about reopen
1104 2011-05-06 11:24:53 <jaromil> oh ok
1105 2011-05-06 11:24:59 <jaromil> anyway i think we are almost done now
1106 2011-05-06 11:25:06 <BlueMatt> sipa: Ive looked up and down and never have been able to find it, but Im probably just looking past it
1107 2011-05-06 11:26:04 <sipa> BlueMatt: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/123
1108 2011-05-06 11:26:19 <sipa> that was before i had commit rights
1109 2011-05-06 11:26:39 <BlueMatt> wtf? ok, fine I guess Im blind
1110 2011-05-06 11:27:01 <sipa> right top of the comment box
1111 2011-05-06 11:27:06 <sipa> below a pull request
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1114 2011-05-06 11:29:42 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Amir Yalon master * r894031b / build-unix.txt : Clarify the meaning of USE_UPNP in build-unix.txt - http://bit.ly/jJeHhn
1115 2011-05-06 11:29:44 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r62b427e / build-unix.txt :
1116 2011-05-06 11:29:44 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Merge pull request #196 from amiryal/master
1117 2011-05-06 11:29:44 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Improve UPNP build instructions - http://bit.ly/iEcvMy
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1119 2011-05-06 11:30:02 <jaromil> k i removed autotools
1120 2011-05-06 11:30:19 <jaromil> ops
1121 2011-05-06 11:30:21 <jaromil> libtools
1122 2011-05-06 11:30:22 <jaromil> :D
1123 2011-05-06 11:31:08 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: can you improve the commit message on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/197 ?
1124 2011-05-06 11:31:30 <jaromil> i'm off to lunch. last thing missing now is to make bluematt's sed into the build system
1125 2011-05-06 11:31:41 <BlueMatt> oh god, dont put that in there
1126 2011-05-06 11:31:48 <jaromil> or... leave it in contrib/ for now but well worth trying
1127 2011-05-06 11:31:50 <jaromil> no i mean
1128 2011-05-06 11:31:55 <jaromil> not leave a sed :)
1129 2011-05-06 11:32:09 <jaromil> i mean break it up in pieces go through it and merge the necessary changes into the build system
1130 2011-05-06 11:32:22 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: the one-line summary of your commit is "If an error is returned, the client won't crash."  That does not tell us anything, really.  /What/ did your commit change?  "Fix crash in GUI <blahblah>" would be a more useful commit description.
1131 2011-05-06 11:32:24 <jaromil> you basically lined up all the problems in that sed, shouldn't be difficult
1132 2011-05-06 11:32:36 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: the one-line summary should hint at to which part of the code you changed
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1134 2011-05-06 11:33:36 <jaromil> bbl
1135 2011-05-06 11:34:26 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: fixed
1136 2011-05-06 11:35:19 <BlueMatt> well, no I changed it but its not pushing to github...
1137 2011-05-06 11:35:54 <sipa> use push -f
1138 2011-05-06 11:36:05 <sipa> since you're rewriting history
1139 2011-05-06 11:36:07 <BlueMatt> did, it just says everything is up-to-date...
1140 2011-05-06 11:36:25 <BlueMatt> oh damn, Im not on the branch somehow...
1141 2011-05-06 11:36:36 <sipa> :D
1142 2011-05-06 11:37:51 <BlueMatt> ok there we go
1143 2011-05-06 11:38:49 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r2f62b12 / ui.cpp :
1144 2011-05-06 11:38:49 <CIA-30> bitcoin: When an error is returned, the client crashes as EndModal is called twice.
1145 2011-05-06 11:38:49 <CIA-30> bitcoin: This fixes that and simply returns instead. At least GTK won't complain. - http://bit.ly/igeOww
1146 2011-05-06 11:38:50 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r4408034 / ui.cpp :
1147 2011-05-06 11:38:50 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Merge pull request #197 from TheBlueMatt/errorfix
1148 2011-05-06 11:38:50 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Fix GUI crash - http://bit.ly/iEo4az
1149 2011-05-06 11:40:29 <anarchyx> can you put 2 riser cables in eachother and have it work like that?
1150 2011-05-06 11:40:29 <jgarzik> sipa: is there a forum thread for your -dns pull request?
1151 2011-05-06 11:40:50 <anarchyx> 25 cm of rising
1152 2011-05-06 11:41:14 <sipa> jgarzik: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7123.0
1153 2011-05-06 11:43:53 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: have you taken a look at my #crypter?
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1156 2011-05-06 11:44:20 <sipa> BlueMatt: better post in the forum about it, i think
1157 2011-05-06 11:44:28 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yes
1158 2011-05-06 11:44:32 <jgarzik> sipa: agreed
1159 2011-05-06 11:44:34 <BlueMatt> yea, I just wanted to ask jgarzik first
1160 2011-05-06 11:44:44 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I think it's time for a pull request + rebase
1161 2011-05-06 11:44:47 <BlueMatt> see if I made any obvious stupid mistakes
1162 2011-05-06 11:45:25 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: create a new forum thread, and a single commit, and reference the old forum thread and original #crypter work from me
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1164 2011-05-06 11:46:01 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: alright, just wanted to see if you saw any obvious mistakes
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1166 2011-05-06 11:53:21 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sipa http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7405.0
1167 2011-05-06 11:54:46 <sipa> BlueMatt: unsigned char keyData;
1168 2011-05-06 11:54:55 <sipa> shouldn't that be a vector or at least a pointer?
1169 2011-05-06 11:55:05 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Ehud Ben-Reuven * r0e6d3e..dd86d1 iOSApp/ (83 files in 5 dirs): (58 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3mbwnhm
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1171 2011-05-06 11:55:11 <sipa> you do a memcopy of arbitrary length to it
1172 2011-05-06 11:55:24 <jgarzik> sipa: IPv6 comments added to -dns
1173 2011-05-06 11:55:30 <BlueMatt> hence why I asked for comments fist ;)
1174 2011-05-06 11:55:39 <jgarzik> sipa: my finger was hovering over "Merge pull request"
1175 2011-05-06 11:56:30 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: can you elaborate on "s I don't think its done in the best way possible and wanted comments." in the forum thread please?  reviewers will want _details_
1176 2011-05-06 11:56:48 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: summarize what it does, how it works, and what further changes may be needed
1177 2011-05-06 11:56:49 <BlueMatt> sorry, I guess today isnt my day for verbosity
1178 2011-05-06 11:58:24 <SerajewelKS> i'm having trouble building bitcoin on debian: http://pastebin.ca/2054524
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1180 2011-05-06 11:58:32 <SerajewelKS> that's the beginning of a very long flood of errors
1181 2011-05-06 12:01:05 <SerajewelKS> mm, making bitcoind only seems to go a bit better
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1186 2011-05-06 12:04:47 <ArtForz> wx 2.6?
1187 2011-05-06 12:05:11 <BlueMatt> sipa: and the original version worked fine with keyData and then just referencing it everywhere instead
1188 2011-05-06 12:05:13 <ArtForz> I'm pretty sure gui still needs 2.9
1189 2011-05-06 12:05:14 * xelister prods wx people to get up to the speed
1190 2011-05-06 12:05:41 <sipa> BlueMatt: it would not have passed a valgrind testing :)
1191 2011-05-06 12:05:45 <SerajewelKS> ArtForz: ah, debian only has 2.6 and 2.8
1192 2011-05-06 12:05:54 <SerajewelKS> ArtForz: i tried both... if it needs 2.9 then that explains it
1193 2011-05-06 12:05:54 <ArtForz> yep
1194 2011-05-06 12:06:04 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, hence the asking
1195 2011-05-06 12:06:08 <SerajewelKS> at least miniupnpc is in backports
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1197 2011-05-06 12:06:43 <ArtForz> yup
1198 2011-05-06 12:06:56 <ArtForz> I'm on sid, had to compile wx 2.9 from source
1199 2011-05-06 12:07:21 <RazielZ> Core 1 85MHash/s, core 2 75...
1200 2011-05-06 12:07:31 <RazielZ> How do I know if I logged in right on the POOL? >.>
1201 2011-05-06 12:08:20 <SerajewelKS> ArtForz: good thing i don't use the GUI :)
1202 2011-05-06 12:08:49 <ArtForz> for bitcoind you shouldnt need the wx stuff
1203 2011-05-06 12:08:55 <ArtForz> just a bunch of boost -dev packages
1204 2011-05-06 12:09:09 <xelister> yea
1205 2011-05-06 12:09:11 <SerajewelKS> ArtForz: yeah, i know, it's building fine so far
1206 2011-05-06 12:09:15 <RazielZ> ok, it got a share, so it's fine
1207 2011-05-06 12:09:21 <RazielZ> gpu temp... 95C
1208 2011-05-06 12:09:23 <RazielZ> good enough.
1209 2011-05-06 12:09:26 <RazielZ> ....waaaait...
1210 2011-05-06 12:09:37 <xelister> 95C "close enough".
1211 2011-05-06 12:09:40 <xelister> *pssssssst*
1212 2011-05-06 12:09:46 <xelister> what smells like plastic becon
1213 2011-05-06 12:09:47 <anarchyx> ArtForz: does extending pci riser to 25 cm (putting 2 on eachother) still work? ever tried it?
1214 2011-05-06 12:09:49 <RazielZ> it's a 4870x2, I'm used to these temps
1215 2011-05-06 12:09:50 <RazielZ> >.>
1216 2011-05-06 12:10:09 <xelister> RazielZ: 95 means card will die soon
1217 2011-05-06 12:10:10 <ArtForz> anarchyx: never tried it, but with a good cable and at 1.0 speeds it should
1218 2011-05-06 12:10:16 <xelister> afaik
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1220 2011-05-06 12:10:26 <anarchyx> ok tnx ill try :)
1221 2011-05-06 12:10:31 <davex__> anyone had any luck getting 6990 memory clocked down?  seems like settings from amdoverdrivectrl don't stick
1222 2011-05-06 12:10:39 <xelister> ArtForz: you need to set some options to get 1.0 speed, or does it autodetect
1223 2011-05-06 12:10:46 <RazielZ> manual fan control... 100%...
1224 2011-05-06 12:10:51 <RazielZ> sounds like I got a turbine next to me
1225 2011-05-06 12:10:52 <RazielZ> :v
1226 2011-05-06 12:10:53 <ArtForz> xelister: it normally autdetects, except when it doesn't
1227 2011-05-06 12:11:14 <ArtForz> then you get to fuck with manually setpci'ing registers to force 1.0 speed
1228 2011-05-06 12:11:22 <xelister> :}
1229 2011-05-06 12:11:30 <RazielZ> atleast temps are under 90 now
1230 2011-05-06 12:11:41 <RazielZ> It usually idles at 80 so it should be fine
1231 2011-05-06 12:11:42 <RazielZ> >..>
1232 2011-05-06 12:11:57 <ArtForz> idles at 80? where's the bacon?
1233 2011-05-06 12:12:08 <RazielZ> lol
1234 2011-05-06 12:12:19 <RazielZ> it's been like that for 2 years since I got it, didn't fry any bacon on it yet
1235 2011-05-06 12:12:23 <anarchyx> how do you set the speed to 1.0? in bios?
1236 2011-05-06 12:12:36 <ArtForz> anarchyx: in BIOSes that support it, yes
1237 2011-05-06 12:12:47 <ArtForz> MSI 790FX-GD70 for example doesn't
1238 2011-05-06 12:13:16 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r2fb1124 / (main.cpp makefile.unix sha256.cpp):
1239 2011-05-06 12:13:16 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Merge branch 'remove-4way' of github.com:jgarzik/bitcoin into tmp
1240 2011-05-06 12:13:16 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Conflicts:
1241 2011-05-06 12:13:16 <CIA-30> bitcoin:  makefile.unix - http://bit.ly/jaI9I4
1242 2011-05-06 12:13:18 <ArtForz> just grab the PCIe spec to find the proper pci config register on the card to poke
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1244 2011-05-06 12:14:12 <mrb_> when I used to mess with PCIe extenders, I tried to stick to 1.0-only mobos for that reason. The autonegotiation was often unreliable and failed to fall back from 2.0 to 1.0 speeds
1245 2011-05-06 12:14:49 <ArtForz> yep
1246 2011-05-06 12:14:55 <jgarzik> 4way cpu miner removed from client
1247 2011-05-06 12:14:59 <jgarzik> let's see who screams
1248 2011-05-06 12:15:16 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
1249 2011-05-06 12:15:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122219 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 756 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 18 hours, 43 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 150358.12622948
1250 2011-05-06 12:15:29 <csshih> hey all
1251 2011-05-06 12:15:39 <ArtForz> btw, with active redrivers PCIe 1.0 works over up to 3m or so
1252 2011-05-06 12:16:35 <mrb_> that may be interesting if amd ever removes the 8-gpu limit
1253 2011-05-06 12:16:39 <ArtForz> over common SAS cables
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1255 2011-05-06 12:17:11 <ArtForz> probably eSATA cables would work, too
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1257 2011-05-06 12:18:14 <ArtForz> well, except they don't have enough data pairs to also carry clock, so you'd need 2
1258 2011-05-06 12:18:16 <noagendamarket> http://freedomwatch.uservoice.com/forums/16625-freedom-watch-show-ideas/suggestions/1778101-bitcoin   its in 5th place !
1259 2011-05-06 12:18:36 <ArtForz> and the redrivers are pretty cheap, <$2 for a x1 tx+rx
1260 2011-05-06 12:19:03 <ArtForz> only somewhat expensive part for external PCIe boxes is the bridge chip
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1279 2011-05-06 12:58:28 <scottlad> Anyone need hosting?
1280 2011-05-06 12:58:53 <RenaKunisaki> not immediately
1281 2011-05-06 12:58:58 <RenaKunisaki> maybe in the near future
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1284 2011-05-06 12:59:50 <ersi> scottlad: This is a development channel, discussing technical/developer related stuff. This is not #bitcoin-otc
1285 2011-05-06 13:00:18 <UukGoblin> these unconfirmed transactions are worrying
1286 2011-05-06 13:00:32 <ArtForz> ?
1287 2011-05-06 13:00:33 <UukGoblin> there's like 250kB waiting but blocks are like 3-5kB each
1288 2011-05-06 13:00:48 <gavinandresen> There's only 4K per block reserver for very-low-priority transactions
1289 2011-05-06 13:00:51 <UukGoblin> users can't transfer small amounts
1290 2011-05-06 13:01:00 <ArtForz> yay, tx spam doesnt get added quickly
1291 2011-05-06 13:01:05 <gavinandresen> Yup
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1293 2011-05-06 13:01:44 <ArtForz> looks like > 90% of em are just huge chains of spam tx
1294 2011-05-06 13:02:04 <UukGoblin> it's gotta be pretty annoying for new users who only have 0.05 to spend from the faucet
1295 2011-05-06 13:02:19 <gavinandresen> 0.02 from the faucet these days...
1296 2011-05-06 13:02:32 <UukGoblin> and don't get small txs confirmed for very long
1297 2011-05-06 13:02:38 <ArtForz> yes, especially annyoing for users repeatedly sending the same 0.02 to themselves over and over
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1300 2011-05-06 13:02:55 <gavinandresen> Latest bitcoin will tell them they need a tx fee in that case.
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1302 2011-05-06 13:03:29 <gavinandresen> (latest == 0.3.21)
1303 2011-05-06 13:03:36 <scottlad> gavinandresen
1304 2011-05-06 13:03:41 <gavinandresen> scottlad
1305 2011-05-06 13:03:42 <scottlad> u need hosting
1306 2011-05-06 13:03:50 <gavinandresen> i got hosting
1307 2011-05-06 13:03:55 <UukGoblin> mhm
1308 2011-05-06 13:04:03 <sipa> gavinandresen: ignore him, he's been spamming the channels for some days now with that question
1309 2011-05-06 13:04:05 <scottlad> i can save u $$ probably
1310 2011-05-06 13:04:08 <ArtForz> annyoing spammer is annoying
1311 2011-05-06 13:04:17 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: hes just a spammer
1312 2011-05-06 13:04:45 <RenaKunisaki> ah, I was considering taking his offer until I noticed that
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1314 2011-05-06 13:05:03 <davex__> yup me too. :)
1315 2011-05-06 13:05:27 <UukGoblin> there's plenty of these mullvads and vreykajks and whatnot hosting for bitcoins available
1316 2011-05-06 13:05:47 <gavinandresen> if only there was an ignore button... hey!  wait!  there IS an ignore button!
1317 2011-05-06 13:06:01 <BlueMatt> lol
1318 2011-05-06 13:06:07 <sipa> what is this 'button' concept you are referring to?
1319 2011-05-06 13:06:16 <RenaKunisaki> if only there were someone who could boot spammers... hey, wait, there is!
1320 2011-05-06 13:06:18 <gavinandresen> the amish use them to fasten their clothing
1321 2011-05-06 13:06:36 <RenaKunisaki> hehe
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1325 2011-05-06 13:09:57 <scottlad> how much is 1.5 btc worth
1326 2011-05-06 13:10:09 <RenaKunisaki> ;;bc,mtgox
1327 2011-05-06 13:10:09 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.5998,"low":3.29,"vol":28768,"buy":3.501,"sell":3.5499,"last":3.501}}
1328 2011-05-06 13:10:17 <RenaKunisaki> ;;calc 1.5 * 3.5998
1329 2011-05-06 13:10:17 <gribble> 1.5 * 3.5998 = 5.3997
1330 2011-05-06 13:10:21 <RenaKunisaki> ^
1331 2011-05-06 13:10:24 <scottlad> anyone wonna buy them
1332 2011-05-06 13:10:59 <scottlad> 1.5 btc for 5usd
1333 2011-05-06 13:11:17 <noagendamarket> youre in the wrogn channel
1334 2011-05-06 13:11:37 <noagendamarket> take it to #bitcoin-otc
1335 2011-05-06 13:11:46 <BlueMatt> hes banned there I think
1336 2011-05-06 13:12:31 <noagendamarket> theres like 9000 bitcoin channels for him to spam
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1338 2011-05-06 13:14:53 <ersi> scottlad: Seeing how you can't write for shit, I wouldn't trust hosting a static page at your place
1339 2011-05-06 13:19:17 <edcba> lol
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1343 2011-05-06 13:25:06 <eps>  how come the price is holding so steady
1344 2011-05-06 13:25:20 <eps> i thought it would go down after the recent rally
1345 2011-05-06 13:25:48 <eps> was thinking about cashing some out, waiting for the price to drop and then buying up some more
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1351 2011-05-06 13:30:47 <BitMark> because someone keeps buying anytime it goes below 3.3
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1353 2011-05-06 13:34:03 <sipa> BlueMatt: the allocated data in keyData is never freed
1354 2011-05-06 13:34:15 <sipa> any reason not to use vector?
1355 2011-05-06 13:40:47 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ^^ agreed.  vector<unsigned char> is preferred to manually allocating the same, and storing length in a separate var
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1360 2011-05-06 13:47:23 <sipa> you can use &vector[0] to get a elem* pointer to the data
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1367 2011-05-06 13:59:55 <tcatm> BlueMatt: I added priority calculation to the list
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1370 2011-05-06 14:06:42 <sipa> ;;later tell slush would it be possible to have some kind of per-worker or whole-account share or hashrate statistics?
1371 2011-05-06 14:06:43 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
1372 2011-05-06 14:07:21 <UukGoblin> sipa, I've actually written a simple stats stuff for diabominer
1373 2011-05-06 14:07:55 <sipa> yeah, maybe that's the easier way, to add the statistics i want to poclbm
1374 2011-05-06 14:08:26 <UukGoblin> sipa, sends out card temps, fan speeds, hashrates, attempts and found blocks JSON-encoded in a UDP packet, and then a master server gathers these stats and INSERTs them INTO an SQL DB
1375 2011-05-06 14:08:48 <UukGoblin> in future I want to add auto-throttling of the clock speed based on temperatures
1376 2011-05-06 14:09:03 <UukGoblin> (I also run SQL queries piped to gnuplot to get graphs)
1377 2011-05-06 14:09:23 <UukGoblin> (and I ran into the same averaging problems that you solved on your graphing page;->)
1378 2011-05-06 14:12:06 <UukGoblin> geez I've just read what I'd written... sorry for my grammar today, I'm too hungover ;-P
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1380 2011-05-06 14:15:03 <BlueMatt> sipa: jgarzik sorry don't know much about C++, oh well fixed now...
1381 2011-05-06 14:16:26 <BlueMatt> tcatm: cool, can you write how many k of txes there are that are "very low" prio (dont remember the cutoff)
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1383 2011-05-06 14:18:00 <tcatm> BlueMatt: good idea...
1384 2011-05-06 14:19:08 <sipa> BlueMatt: you've no idea how much c++ i learned for studying the bitcoin source (i have a lot of experience with C, but a lot less with C++)
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1386 2011-05-06 14:20:15 <jaromil> ... and its not the worst c++ style i've seen, after all.
1387 2011-05-06 14:21:22 <TD> yeah the bitcoin codebase isn't so bad. the issue is really the layout (or lack of it) rather than the micro-level code itself.
1388 2011-05-06 14:22:10 <sipa> BlueMatt: also, you don't really follow the variable naming conventions (which i consider stupid myself, but uniformity (is that english?) is good)
1389 2011-05-06 14:23:17 <BlueMatt> sipa: all do a bit more looking and cleaning...
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1391 2011-05-06 14:24:17 <sipa> BlueMatt: also, maybe you can just pass a string to SetKey, instead of a C-style char* and length?
1392 2011-05-06 14:24:43 <BlueMatt> sipa: good point, I had just left it the way jgarzk had it
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1397 2011-05-06 14:31:41 <baaaacon> how I make my bitcoin send go in my block?
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1399 2011-05-06 14:32:48 <UukGoblin> TD, when will google checkout start support bitcoins? ;-)
1400 2011-05-06 14:33:24 <SerajewelKS> after the conversation i had last night about processing transactions from bitcoind and trying to get all unprocessed transactions, this is the solution i've come up with: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7415.0
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1402 2011-05-06 14:35:17 <SerajewelKS> comments welcome... i want to make sure that the community has access to a "best practice" algorithm that is incapable of missing or doubly-processing transactions
1403 2011-05-06 14:35:25 <SerajewelKS> especially on an unmodified bitcoind
1404 2011-05-06 14:36:32 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: looks reasonable.  0-confirmation transactions won't have a block hash; a nagging issue is how the RPC should report "doesn't exist" (ok to just leave that field out of the JSON?  or should it report a 000000.... block hash?)
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1406 2011-05-06 14:37:11 <baaaacon> is way to do now? luke-jr say he does for 'eligius' pool. my friend wait 2 days and not got my bitcoin
1407 2011-05-06 14:37:42 <baaaacon> but I solve block yesterday
1408 2011-05-06 14:37:45 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: Bitcoin already has a notion of a 'block locator' -- a listtransactions since this block locator (which is a hash) might be better
1409 2011-05-06 14:38:48 <luke-jr> baaaacon: you probably need to merge my myFreeTx and policy branches
1410 2011-05-06 14:39:00 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: my code checks if wtx.hashBlock != 0 before adding it to the JSON data
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1412 2011-05-06 14:39:10 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: so the field will simply not exist on 0-confirmed transactions
1413 2011-05-06 14:39:40 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: my main problem with the "block locator" mechanism is that it needs a contingency plan for if the block was orphaned
1414 2011-05-06 14:39:52 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: I think that's the right answer.... although in the C/C++ world flexible data structures that sometimes have fields and sometimes don't can cause problems.  JSON ain't C/C++ though....
1415 2011-05-06 14:39:58 <baaaacon> luke-jr: where can download?
1416 2011-05-06 14:40:10 <luke-jr> baaaacon: learn to use git
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1418 2011-05-06 14:40:17 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: right.  listtransactions already returns different data structures anyway.
1419 2011-05-06 14:40:27 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: CBlockLocator will find the common ancestor, so in that case listtransactions would report from there.
1420 2011-05-06 14:40:28 <baaaacon> luke-jr: is on bitcoin git?
1421 2011-05-06 14:40:29 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: intra-wallet moves, for example, don't even have a transaction id
1422 2011-05-06 14:40:37 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: (which is what you'd want)
1423 2011-05-06 14:40:50 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: oh... bitcoind remembers the existence of orphaned blocks?
1424 2011-05-06 14:41:04 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: yes
1425 2011-05-06 14:41:06 <scottlad> Anyone need hosting?
1426 2011-05-06 14:41:07 <SerajewelKS> neat
1427 2011-05-06 14:41:23 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: would you object to taking this patch anyway?  having the block hash for a transaction might be useful anyway.
1428 2011-05-06 14:42:16 <luke-jr> baaaacon: check BitGit
1429 2011-05-06 14:42:30 <SerajewelKS> it'd be an ok interim solution
1430 2011-05-06 14:43:40 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: my only concern is that it bloats the listtransactions output with information maybe not everybody needs
1431 2011-05-06 14:43:56 <SerajewelKS> i can understand that
1432 2011-05-06 14:44:00 <gavinandresen> ... and repeats the same information over and over...
1433 2011-05-06 14:44:36 <gavinandresen> Would a getblock <depth>  RPC call help?  It'd return block hash, you could check to see if re-org happened....
1434 2011-05-06 14:45:17 <tcatm> list of unconfirmed transactions: low priority transactions have a red background/border, transactions that could make it into the neext block are green
1435 2011-05-06 14:45:17 <gavinandresen> (because transaction confirmations already tell #confirmations which gets you which block they're in)
1436 2011-05-06 14:45:19 <SerajewelKS> maybe.  honestly i don't care if a re-org happened, as long as i can say "give me all the transactions newer than block hash ID foobar"
1437 2011-05-06 14:45:35 <gavinandresen> tcatm:  awesome!
1438 2011-05-06 14:46:06 <SerajewelKS> so if the code is smart enough to, if block hash id foobar was orphaned, give me all the transactions since "foobar" and the current tip of the chain's common ancestor, that would be ideal.
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1440 2011-05-06 14:46:22 <SerajewelKS> if it gave me the most recent block hash ID in that same output, that would be perfect
1441 2011-05-06 14:46:29 <SerajewelKS> i would get everything i need to sync the db in one RPC call
1442 2011-05-06 14:47:23 <SerajewelKS> also, if a re-org happened, bitcoind doesn't really have to worry about checking the orphan chain and excluding those transactions from the output
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1444 2011-05-06 14:47:51 <SerajewelKS> that would complicate the code IMO for little gain -- the reconciler code should already be checking to make sure it doesn't reprocess a transaction
1445 2011-05-06 14:48:25 <SerajewelKS> tcatm: this is assuming default bitcoin logic, yes?
1446 2011-05-06 14:49:30 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: is this something you are planning on doing, or should i try to write up a patch?
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1448 2011-05-06 14:50:00 <tcatm> SerajewelKS: yes. I copied the rules from main.cpp/h
1449 2011-05-06 14:50:03 <gavinandresen> I've got a fair bit on my plate, so if you want it soon, write up a patch
1450 2011-05-06 14:50:07 <SerajewelKS> ok
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1452 2011-05-06 14:51:17 <tcatm> actually, I have a bug in my priority calculation
1453 2011-05-06 14:51:53 <gavinandresen> tcatm:  phew, good.  I was about to ask why all those green txns weren't getting into blocks...
1454 2011-05-06 14:52:26 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: do you have a suggested name for the RPC call, considering that its primary use would be to get new transactions from block X for reconciliation with a database?  for example, i plan on including the most recent block hash in the output, alongside the list of transactions, so that this hash can be stored for passing to the call on the next reconciliation.
1455 2011-05-06 14:52:44 <tcatm> gavinandresen: forgot the dPriority /= txsize
1456 2011-05-06 14:53:14 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: listsince ?
1457 2011-05-06 14:53:48 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: "listsinceblock" maybe?  to make it clear what kind of input it wants?
1458 2011-05-06 14:54:08 <gavinandresen> listsinceblock <blockhash>   ... works for me
1459 2011-05-06 14:54:11 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: and i would probably code it so that passing in an empty string, or no argument at all, lists every transaction
1460 2011-05-06 14:54:28 <tcatm> gavinandresen: fixed. looks _much_ better now (974 of 981 are low priority)
1461 2011-05-06 14:54:29 <SerajewelKS> since that's probably what'll happen the first time reconciliation happens
1462 2011-05-06 14:55:26 <gavinandresen> tcatm:  ... if you're in the code, you should print priority as an integer....
1463 2011-05-06 14:58:07 <tcatm> gavinandresen: done
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1465 2011-05-06 14:58:37 <gavinandresen> tcatm: ooh!  with commas, even-- nice!
1466 2011-05-06 14:59:13 * tcatm likes template tags: tx.priority|floatformat:0|intcomma
1467 2011-05-06 14:59:45 <gavinandresen> tcatm:  mmmm, templates....
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1469 2011-05-06 15:03:12 <theymos> UukGoblin: There are 50829 unspent generations.
1470 2011-05-06 15:03:25 <UukGoblin> theymos, oh cool, thanks :-]
1471 2011-05-06 15:03:39 <UukGoblin> that's 2.5M BTC
1472 2011-05-06 15:03:54 <UukGoblin> almost half the whole supply!
1473 2011-05-06 15:04:09 <theymos> The percentage has gone down. A few months ago it was over half.
1474 2011-05-06 15:04:19 <UukGoblin> mhm :-]
1475 2011-05-06 15:04:24 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: this is my patch for including the block hash in listtransactions, just for reference: https://github.com/cdhowie/bitcoin/commit/9470b4d8a4b94012f85d778a59945585c948927a
1476 2011-05-06 15:04:42 <tcatm> gavinandresen: I think I'm still missing something. How does the fee affect priority?
1477 2011-05-06 15:04:44 <gavinandresen> theymos:  tcatm added priority to http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/  check it out, is very nice
1478 2011-05-06 15:05:49 <theymos> Cool. I thought about adding that to BBE, but it seemed to be a very expensive calculation.
1479 2011-05-06 15:05:53 <SerajewelKS> theymos: re our conversation last night: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7415.0
1480 2011-05-06 15:05:54 <gavinandresen> tcatm:  it doesn't affect priority.  But if you have a fee of 0.01-per-KB or greater, then your transaction doesn't run into the 4-K or 20-mumble-K of free transactions per block checks
1481 2011-05-06 15:06:28 <tcatm> so fee overrides priority in that case..
1482 2011-05-06 15:06:37 <tcatm> theymos: the calculation is very simple
1483 2011-05-06 15:06:42 <SerajewelKS> theymos: after talking with gavin though, i'm going to hack bitcoind to allow fetching transactions from a specific block hash forward.  gavin informs me that CBlockLocator will deal with orphaned block hashes by using the nearest ancestor that is in the main chain.
1484 2011-05-06 15:06:58 <gavinandresen> tcatm: yup, as long as the fee is big enough.
1485 2011-05-06 15:07:17 <sipa> with just a block hash you don't have enough, do you?
1486 2011-05-06 15:07:21 <theymos> SerajewelKS: That's the best solution, I think.
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1488 2011-05-06 15:07:27 <SerajewelKS> theymos: yup
1489 2011-05-06 15:07:33 <sipa> if bitcoind does not know about that orphaned block
1490 2011-05-06 15:07:36 <gavinandresen> sipa:  as long as you're talking to one bitcoind should be OK
1491 2011-05-06 15:07:42 <theymos> tcatm: Getting # of confirmations for inputs is expensive.
1492 2011-05-06 15:07:43 <sipa> right
1493 2011-05-06 15:07:47 <SerajewelKS> sipa: it doesn't have to know about any orphaned blocks
1494 2011-05-06 15:08:02 <SerajewelKS> sipa: bitcoind could forget about orphaned blocks completely and the algorithm i posted on the forums would still work.
1495 2011-05-06 15:08:11 <SerajewelKS> sipa: or are you talking about fetch-since-block
1496 2011-05-06 15:08:15 <tcatm> theymos: nConf = 1 + best_height - int(Block.objects.get(hash=txin['block']).height)
1497 2011-05-06 15:08:16 <sipa> ok, maybe i'm not up to date
1498 2011-05-06 15:08:16 <gavinandresen> if the block hash you pass in wasn't seen by the bitcoind you're talking to... you'll get a list of all transactions from the genesis block.
1499 2011-05-06 15:08:44 <SerajewelKS> sipa: a single instance of bitcoind knows what blocks it had at one point that were later orphaned apparently
1500 2011-05-06 15:08:53 <SerajewelKS> sipa: if you're running a bitcoind cluster, they might disagree and that could be trouble
1501 2011-05-06 15:09:16 <gavinandresen> They're unlikely to disagree; they'd be listening to the same network connection, most likely.
1502 2011-05-06 15:09:28 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: all transactions affecting addresses in your wallet, of course
1503 2011-05-06 15:09:34 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: yes
1504 2011-05-06 15:09:47 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: yes, that's possible.  however if they all talk to some master bitcoind then you have a single point of failure.
1505 2011-05-06 15:09:49 <gavinandresen> (it'd degrade to listtransactions)
1506 2011-05-06 15:09:50 <BlueMatt> sipa: hmmm, I prefer not to do that simply because ramdumpers are so good at finding aes keys in memory...
1507 2011-05-06 15:09:57 <theymos> tcatm: I suppose I could store block numbers in my inputs table to get that quickly. Maybe in a later version.
1508 2011-05-06 15:10:17 <sipa> BlueMatt: but storing the passphrase in memory is ok?
1509 2011-05-06 15:10:34 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: if you were running a cluster i would expect each bitcoind to make its own connections to the network, as well as to each other, for resilliency
1510 2011-05-06 15:10:35 <BlueMatt> sipa: no, but it makes it much harder for scripkiddies (actually impossible for them)
1511 2011-05-06 15:10:48 <BlueMatt> anyone with any skill can get it but some kid, not so much
1512 2011-05-06 15:11:10 <SerajewelKS> are we talking about encrypting the wallet?
1513 2011-05-06 15:11:15 <BlueMatt> yes
1514 2011-05-06 15:11:18 <tcatm> GetMinFee() is complicated :/
1515 2011-05-06 15:11:30 <SerajewelKS> cool, so i was right when i said on free talk live that this issue is being actively discussed :)
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1517 2011-05-06 15:11:48 <sipa> BlueMatt: i can't imagine finding a random 128-bit string in memory is easier than finding a typically string of ascii text :S
1518 2011-05-06 15:12:10 <BlueMatt> jgarzik wrote a patch quite a while ago but it hasn't really been touched for a while, so I revived it (albeit terribly)
1519 2011-05-06 15:12:25 <BlueMatt> sipa: you'd be surprised...
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1521 2011-05-06 15:12:41 <sipa> still, currently you're not using the IV at all
1522 2011-05-06 15:12:47 <BlueMatt> ?
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1524 2011-05-06 15:12:52 <sipa> read my post
1525 2011-05-06 15:12:58 <sipa> you overwrite it
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1527 2011-05-06 15:13:16 <sipa> and each wallet key is encrypted with the same IV
1528 2011-05-06 15:13:19 <BlueMatt> ah, didnt read that closely enough I suppose
1529 2011-05-06 15:13:27 <sipa> since the input to EVP_BytesToKey is identical
1530 2011-05-06 15:13:53 <BlueMatt> yea, sorry didnt read that all the way through I suppose
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1532 2011-05-06 15:15:33 <sipa> you have any reference about this finding AES keys in memory?
1533 2011-05-06 15:16:02 <BlueMatt> hmm...dont remember the program, but when I was looking into all the stuff about quick-reset-ramdump stuff when all that was popular
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1538 2011-05-06 15:17:08 <BlueMatt> sipa: http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/code/ looks about right
1539 2011-05-06 15:17:33 <xelister> ;; bc,gen 2400000
1540 2011-05-06 15:17:35 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 22.011353875 BTC per day and 0.91713974479 BTC per hour.
1541 2011-05-06 15:20:27 <eps> ;;bc,gen 12000
1542 2011-05-06 15:20:32 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 12000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 0.110056769375 BTC per day and 0.00458569872395 BTC per hour.
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1544 2011-05-06 15:20:46 <nanotube> UukGoblin: can be, but are they? :)
1545 2011-05-06 15:21:27 <sipa> BlueMatt: if you're worried about that, you should also call EVP_CIPHER_CTX_cleanup, otherwise your keys can still leak in memory
1546 2011-05-06 15:21:44 <UukGoblin> nanotube, nah, I don't /anything/ is pruned at the moment
1547 2011-05-06 15:21:52 <UukGoblin> (but I haven't checked the code)
1548 2011-05-06 15:23:57 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: it looks like CBlockLocator is a bit fuzzy in that it is guaranteed to return either the specificed block or an ancestor in the main chain (if the specified block is not in the main chain)
1549 2011-05-06 15:24:08 <SerajewelKS> but it's not guaranteed to return the nearest common ancestor in the main chain
1550 2011-05-06 15:24:21 <SerajewelKS> which should be OK for this code
1551 2011-05-06 15:26:40 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: ... with the possibility of multiple block chain splits (and multiple orphan chains) fuzzy is probably the best that can be done.
1552 2011-05-06 15:26:42 <nanotube> UukGoblin: yes nothing at the moment. but i meant, does the spec say that they are prunable? or are you just saying that "it is theoretically possible"
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1554 2011-05-06 15:27:44 <diki> Can anyone tell me what templates are for in C++?
1555 2011-05-06 15:27:56 <TD> SerajewelKS: theoretically you could make it precise but only with a gigantic block locator
1556 2011-05-06 15:28:03 <TD> in practice it doesn't really matter that it's fuzzy
1557 2011-05-06 15:28:06 <gavinandresen> diki: they're for making really long and hard-to-understand error messages :-)
1558 2011-05-06 15:28:18 <diki> huh?
1559 2011-05-06 15:28:56 <diki> It starts with map<char, char> but i don't really get it
1560 2011-05-06 15:29:04 <gavinandresen> diki:  templates let you write generic code that doesn't care about the specific types of things.
1561 2011-05-06 15:29:47 <gavinandresen> diki:  like associative arrays (aka maps) that can have anything as keys, and anything as values.  Like map<char, char>
1562 2011-05-06 15:30:23 <diki> I was asking because it's used a lot in bitcoin
1563 2011-05-06 15:31:42 <diki> You know, i read about pointers but i don't think they are needed. Why would one need the address of a variable...
1564 2011-05-06 15:31:46 * tcatm added the concept of "high priority" transactions to the list of unconfirmed transactions.
1565 2011-05-06 15:32:30 <gavinandresen> tcatm:  very nice!
1566 2011-05-06 15:32:51 <gavinandresen> (3 faucet customers in the last 10 minutes I see....)
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1568 2011-05-06 15:33:31 <lulzplzkthx> uh oh
1569 2011-05-06 15:33:48 <tcatm> now all that's missing to make it into a miner node is serializing the transactions into blocks and hash it :)
1570 2011-05-06 15:33:50 <lulzplzkthx> diki: well...
1571 2011-05-06 15:34:03 <BlueMatt> sipa: much, much better version @28ff3ab
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1573 2011-05-06 15:34:05 <lulzplzkthx> pointers make ti so you don't have to create many unneeded variables (afaik)
1574 2011-05-06 15:34:23 <lulzplzkthx> but really idk, cuz i never fully understood them either.
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1576 2011-05-06 15:34:43 <lulzplzkthx> unneeded variables, or at least use less memory
1577 2011-05-06 15:34:44 <diki> sorry about that, my card crashed
1578 2011-05-06 15:34:53 <nanotube> tcatm: hehe
1579 2011-05-06 15:34:58 <lulzplzkthx> pointers make ti so you don't have to create many unneeded variables (afaik)
1580 2011-05-06 15:35:02 <lulzplzkthx> but really idk, cuz i never fully understood them either.
1581 2011-05-06 15:35:05 <lulzplzkthx> diki ^
1582 2011-05-06 15:35:27 <diki> all i know is they point to the hex address of the variable in the memory
1583 2011-05-06 15:35:44 <tcatm> hrm.
1584 2011-05-06 15:36:07 <lulzplzkthx> right, so if you read what's stored at that address, or write new data, it keeps you from having to use more memory at a second address
1585 2011-05-06 15:36:17 <tcatm> In theory I could calculate how long it takes for each transaction to have a high enough priority.
1586 2011-05-06 15:36:23 <lulzplzkthx> so if you passed a non0pointer to a function, it would use a second location
1587 2011-05-06 15:36:28 <lulzplzkthx> but if you pass a pointer, it uses the same location.
1588 2011-05-06 15:36:39 <jaromil> mm https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/198 new RPC calls :D
1589 2011-05-06 15:36:40 <lulzplzkthx> also, you don't need to return that way, becase your'e writing directly to the address (i think)
1590 2011-05-06 15:36:47 <lulzplzkthx> references & pointers.
1591 2011-05-06 15:37:05 <sipa> BlueMatt: you only resize the output vector after encryption
1592 2011-05-06 15:37:31 <sipa> oh wait, or will it only shrink?
1593 2011-05-06 15:37:49 <BlueMatt> and? (sorry I never bothered to research all the encryption methods here as I just used what jgarzik had done)
1594 2011-05-06 15:38:11 <BlueMatt> jgarzik's comment: "plaintext will always be equal to or lesser than length of ciphertext"
1595 2011-05-06 15:38:40 <diki> And this way a program uses less memory?
1596 2011-05-06 15:38:53 <diki> depending on all the code
1597 2011-05-06 15:38:58 <sipa> BlueMatt: so, right, it will only shrink, consider my comment removed from history :)
1598 2011-05-06 15:38:58 <BlueMatt> and it calculates c_len to find max length of ciphertext if Im reading it right
1599 2011-05-06 15:39:26 <sipa> (i never carefully reviewed jgarzic's patch)
1600 2011-05-06 15:39:42 <BlueMatt> neither did I TBH
1601 2011-05-06 15:39:49 <BlueMatt> I just built on it
1602 2011-05-06 15:40:09 <lulzplzkthx> diki: yes. that's the idea.
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1604 2011-05-06 15:40:18 <lulzplzkthx> i could also be totally incorrect. i'm not very good with c++.
1605 2011-05-06 15:40:25 <lulzplzkthx> but i think i'm pretty much right.
1606 2011-05-06 15:40:56 <sipa> BlueMatt: btw, i checked that aes key finder
1607 2011-05-06 15:41:02 <sipa> it only works for scheduled keys
1608 2011-05-06 15:41:03 <lulzplzkthx> diki: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5727/what-are-the-barriers-to-understanding-pointers-and-what-can-be-done-to-overcome
1609 2011-05-06 15:41:15 <sipa> which is the thing currently created in EVP_CIPHER_CTX\
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1611 2011-05-06 15:41:55 <sipa> just the chKey[32] should not be detectable, as it is statistically indistinguishable from random data
1612 2011-05-06 15:42:36 <BlueMatt> ah, ok Ill move it up to the constructor then...
1613 2011-05-06 15:43:19 <sipa> though you should overwrite chKey in a destructor, i think, to minimize the chances of it ending up in swap space
1614 2011-05-06 15:43:31 <BlueMatt> fair enough
1615 2011-05-06 15:44:03 <luke-jr> jaromil: EWW
1616 2011-05-06 15:44:10 <diki> i'd have to ask about availability of a variable to a function. In PHP you have to make the variable global with the global keywork to make it accessible to the specific function
1617 2011-05-06 15:44:29 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: why must monitor* require the monitoring application to run a webserver? -.-
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1620 2011-05-06 15:46:01 <sipa> luke-jr: does it?
1621 2011-05-06 15:46:06 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: if you want to implement some other protocol, go ahead.  The current bitcoin RPC interface is JSON-RPC over HTTP.
1622 2011-05-06 15:46:23 <sipa> i just listen on :80, and parse the input with json
1623 2011-05-06 15:46:31 <sipa> ok, technically that's a webserver
1624 2011-05-06 15:46:41 <SerajewelKS> is it normal for g++ to consume 256MB+ of RAM while compiling rpc.cpp?
1625 2011-05-06 15:46:48 <sipa> unfortunately, yes
1626 2011-05-06 15:46:52 <sipa> even a lot more
1627 2011-05-06 15:46:59 <SerajewelKS> :/
1628 2011-05-06 15:47:01 <gavinandresen> yeah... and my latest pull request makes that worse
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1630 2011-05-06 15:47:24 <gavinandresen> (boost::xpressive implements regular expressions mostly in the compiler)
1631 2011-05-06 15:47:26 <SerajewelKS> modularity!
1632 2011-05-06 15:47:48 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: yeah, but it *was* unidirectional :P
1633 2011-05-06 15:47:57 <SerajewelKS> yeah it pushed 220MB of other shit into swap
1634 2011-05-06 15:48:11 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: whoa, how's boost pull that off?
1635 2011-05-06 15:48:29 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: metaprogramming magic.  Deep C++ voodoo
1636 2011-05-06 15:48:48 <luke-jr> C++ might become my new favourite language if it has first-class regex! :P
1637 2011-05-06 15:49:21 <SerajewelKS> perl has first-class regex
1638 2011-05-06 15:49:47 <UukGoblin> nanotube, I'm saying it is theoretically possible, I don't think any spec mentions it
1639 2011-05-06 15:50:13 <UukGoblin> nanotube, I'd assume regular bitcoin nodes could prune such txs, but special dns-enabled ones would keep them
1640 2011-05-06 15:50:17 <devrandom> BlueMatt - what if we have a nonce in the download script, and ensure that the sha256 sum of the script starts with a 0xdeadcafe like string?  it would make it easier to check the script for authenticity, since it's the starting point for trust checking
1641 2011-05-06 15:51:02 <SerajewelKS> ok, i clearly did not implement this correctly.
1642 2011-05-06 15:51:24 <SerajewelKS> navigating a sea of undocumentation is interesting
1643 2011-05-06 15:51:31 <devrandom> BlueMatt - s/since/and that would be useful because/
1644 2011-05-06 15:51:34 <BlueMatt> devrandom: not so sure its that ridiculously useful as an attacker could still do the same
1645 2011-05-06 15:51:48 <jaromil> luke-jr: eheh! I always regarded all C purists as primitivists. now who's your daddy :D
1646 2011-05-06 15:51:56 <BlueMatt> that is add their own nonce and hash it
1647 2011-05-06 15:52:01 <luke-jr> SerajewelKS: Perl is my current favourite
1648 2011-05-06 15:52:28 <SerajewelKS> given a CBlockIndex, is there a quick way to retrieve all CWalletTx objects it logically contains?
1649 2011-05-06 15:52:54 <luke-jr> SerajewelKS: my understanding is that CBlockIndex doesn't contain any. you need to get a CBlock by reading from disk
1650 2011-05-06 15:53:05 <devrandom> BlueMatt - it would be easier to check the hash at a glance
1651 2011-05-06 15:53:16 <sipa> luke-jr: and a CBlock doesn't even contains CWalletTx's
1652 2011-05-06 15:53:33 <devrandom> you would look for the deadcafe string, followed by a few bytes of random nibbles
1653 2011-05-06 15:53:46 <sipa> SerajewelKS: you'd need to look in mapWallet for the hashes inside CBlockLocator
1654 2011-05-06 15:53:55 <devrandom> BlueMatt - instead of only looking at random nibbles and giving up after 4
1655 2011-05-06 15:54:05 <BlueMatt> devrandom: true, but I dont think its too hard to begin with, if someone is going to check the hash, they are going to check the first x characters and maybe the last y
1656 2011-05-06 15:54:14 <BlueMatt> either way, same result
1657 2011-05-06 15:54:19 <sipa> ?
1658 2011-05-06 15:54:54 <sipa> BlueMatt: signing is way more expensive than hashing
1659 2011-05-06 15:54:59 <sipa> (i think)
1660 2011-05-06 15:55:16 <devrandom> BlueMatt - it's much easier to generate a script whos hash starts and ends with 4 bytes of a chosen string
1661 2011-05-06 15:55:22 <BlueMatt> sipa: hes talking about the script which is used to download (Im pretty sure)
1662 2011-05-06 15:55:33 <BlueMatt> not the stuff that is downlaoded
1663 2011-05-06 15:55:42 <SerajewelKS> luke-jr: right, i'm doing that. and then constructing CWalletTx objects from the CTransaction objects the block contains
1664 2011-05-06 15:55:44 <devrandom> BlueMatt - compared to generating a script that does that, but also starts with deadcafe twice
1665 2011-05-06 15:56:09 <SerajewelKS> luke-jr: the result is a really slow process that doesn't even return correct data.  half the transactions are orphans, and they all have zero confirmations.
1666 2011-05-06 15:56:16 <sipa> BlueMatt: never mind
1667 2011-05-06 15:56:17 <BlueMatt> why bother, I still don't see much of any advantage
1668 2011-05-06 15:56:47 <devrandom> makes it a billion billion times harder to generate a hash that would fool someone
1669 2011-05-06 15:57:24 <SerajewelKS> hmm, so i lookup the result of CTransaction::GetHash() in mapWallet?
1670 2011-05-06 15:57:28 <devrandom> I'm exaggerating actually... maybe a million billion
1671 2011-05-06 15:57:34 <luke-jr> devrandom: no matter what characters you check, they can be chosen
1672 2011-05-06 15:57:56 <devrandom> luke-jr - these chars are going to be in the hash, not in the script
1673 2011-05-06 15:58:02 <BlueMatt> I dont know about that.  a. most users are not going to check the hash, period. nothing you can do about it.  for those who will check the hash, they will check it the same whether it starts with deadbeef or asd155346asd
1674 2011-05-06 15:58:05 <devrandom> you'd mine to find a hash that has them
1675 2011-05-06 15:58:23 <devrandom> BlueMatt - maybe you are right
1676 2011-05-06 15:58:26 <luke-jr> devrandom: yep
1677 2011-05-06 15:58:30 <luke-jr> 1KCXXgFfXAJiDHzxaifLdafiVZH2KLuKe
1678 2011-05-06 15:58:52 <devrandom> did you write a program to mine for that?
1679 2011-05-06 15:58:55 <luke-jr> yep
1680 2011-05-06 15:59:04 <BlueMatt> its gavin's vanity patch
1681 2011-05-06 15:59:04 <luke-jr> rather, JSON-RPC call
1682 2011-05-06 15:59:12 <BlueMatt> 1JBMattRztKDF2KRS3vhjJXA7h47NEsn2c
1683 2011-05-06 15:59:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I wrote one before I found that ;P
1684 2011-05-06 15:59:18 <BlueMatt>   BMatt
1685 2011-05-06 15:59:18 <luke-jr> mine uses regex
1686 2011-05-06 15:59:38 <BlueMatt> oh, ok, well mine's gavin's vanity patch
1687 2011-05-06 15:59:49 <gavinandresen> (which uses regex, too)
1688 2011-05-06 15:59:57 <luke-jr> combined with my multi-threaded JSON-RPC patch, it backgrounds nicely
1689 2011-05-06 16:00:05 <BlueMatt> sipa: alright, finally a half-way decent patch which properly (I think) does wallet privkey encryption
1690 2011-05-06 16:00:07 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: oh? I thought yours just did strings
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1692 2011-05-06 16:00:29 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: nah, I made it do regex.  I haven't been keeping it up-to-date, though.
1693 2011-05-06 16:00:33 <SerajewelKS> C++ really makes me miss type inference
1694 2011-05-06 16:00:51 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: it still applies pretty well (well it did a week or so ago)
1695 2011-05-06 16:00:58 <devrandom> cool...
1696 2011-05-06 16:01:03 <BlueMatt> and you can call gavin's 8 times for 8 cores :)
1697 2011-05-06 16:01:18 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: mine too, with multithreading :P
1698 2011-05-06 16:01:23 <devrandom> so you guys made it harder for someone to impersonate you for donation purposes
1699 2011-05-06 16:01:35 <luke-jr> devrandom: not really
1700 2011-05-06 16:01:38 <luke-jr> easier, if anything
1701 2011-05-06 16:01:39 <BlueMatt> not really, any idiot can do it if they have a couple hours of cputime
1702 2011-05-06 16:01:47 <luke-jr> hours? mine took 10 minutes
1703 2011-05-06 16:01:51 <devrandom> well, you didn't make it hard enough
1704 2011-05-06 16:01:58 <BlueMatt> I think mine took like 20 minutes
1705 2011-05-06 16:02:02 <devrandom> you could have thrown a GPU at it
1706 2011-05-06 16:02:04 <BlueMatt> but I have 1 more char
1707 2011-05-06 16:02:09 <devrandom> for a week
1708 2011-05-06 16:02:11 <luke-jr> devrandom: yeah, I want a GPU address miner
1709 2011-05-06 16:02:12 <BlueMatt> and the caps were strict
1710 2011-05-06 16:02:37 <gavinandresen> devrandom: slow part is generating the candidate ECDSA keypairs, not the hashing...
1711 2011-05-06 16:02:48 <devrandom> ah, right
1712 2011-05-06 16:02:50 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: GPU can't do that?
1713 2011-05-06 16:03:02 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: it could, but you'd have to write GPU code
1714 2011-05-06 16:03:16 <BlueMatt> fucking great, just got an email to my hs' alum mailing list when Im still taking final exams
1715 2011-05-06 16:03:24 <luke-jr> lol
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1717 2011-05-06 16:03:48 <vorlov> hello bitcoin's brain
1718 2011-05-06 16:04:38 <devrandom> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Huge_Ever_Growing_Pulsating_Brain_That_Rules_from_the_Centre_of_the_Ultraworld
1719 2011-05-06 16:04:41 <vorlov> im having some problems getting my pyopencl to recognize my AMD5870.... with my monitor currently hooked to one of it's DVIs and having an onboard ATI 3000 thats basically got nothing hooked to it right now.... anyone got any ideas?
1720 2011-05-06 16:04:46 <sipa> does OpenCL support bigint's of some kind?
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1722 2011-05-06 16:05:21 <sipa> doesn't seem so
1723 2011-05-06 16:05:46 <SerajewelKS> vorlov: #bitcoin-mining maybe?
1724 2011-05-06 16:05:55 <vorlov> ok
1725 2011-05-06 16:05:57 <vorlov> will do
1726 2011-05-06 16:05:58 <vorlov> thanks
1727 2011-05-06 16:06:06 <SerajewelKS> np
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1736 2011-05-06 16:10:11 <sipa> BlueMatt: the second EncryptInit_ex isn't necessary anymore i think, you just set up a new CTX anyway
1737 2011-05-06 16:10:33 <BlueMatt> oops yea sorry
1738 2011-05-06 16:10:42 <BlueMatt> had deleted some stuff but missed that
1739 2011-05-06 16:11:01 <SerajewelKS> there we go
1740 2011-05-06 16:11:10 <SerajewelKS> i have a PoC patch, without any critical sections (which are probably necessary)
1741 2011-05-06 16:12:03 <SerajewelKS> do i need to lock on anything when traversing a CBlockIndex linked list or when fetching the index from CBlockLocator?
1742 2011-05-06 16:12:12 <SerajewelKS> or just the map wallet?
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1749 2011-05-06 16:18:52 <SerajewelKS> \o/
1750 2011-05-06 16:19:44 <sgornick> Gavin Andresen and Britcoin founder Amir Taaki to appear on Tuesday's This Week In Startups http://j.mp/9EiFNn@TWiStartups #Twist #bitcoin
1751 2011-05-06 16:20:33 <gavinandresen> it is true!  You'll be able to recognize me because I'm going to wear my new I Use Coins T-shirt
1752 2011-05-06 16:21:07 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: https://github.com/cdhowie/bitcoin/commit/b334fd0fd42ef79fe1e4beff9351c95249027835
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1754 2011-05-06 16:23:29 <SerajewelKS> gavinandresen: unless there are issues with the patch, that's my final version
1755 2011-05-06 16:23:54 <SerajewelKS> should i issue a pull request?
1756 2011-05-06 16:23:58 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: there might be deadlock issues with the critsection....
1757 2011-05-06 16:24:17 <SerajewelKS> ok
1758 2011-05-06 16:24:18 <gavinandresen> SerajewelKS: ... but I'd have to think about it for longer than I have time right now.
1759 2011-05-06 16:24:30 <SerajewelKS> alright, i'll issue the request then and let you follow-up there
1760 2011-05-06 16:24:40 <gavinandresen> back later
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1763 2011-05-06 16:28:12 <SerajewelKS> i'm guessing because loading the block enters other critical sections, and you are worried that the order is different than elsewhere?
1764 2011-05-06 16:28:41 <SerajewelKS> if that is so i can move the mapwallet critical section to wrap the foreach instead of the while
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1769 2011-05-06 16:31:10 <SerajewelKS> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/199
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1771 2011-05-06 16:31:23 <diki> Guys, seems i broke my gpu. Ran OCCT gpu test and it found errors
1772 2011-05-06 16:31:45 <diki> of all the people, why me...and i have no warranty
1773 2011-05-06 16:32:25 <da2ce7_laptop> diki... no supprise... just return the card... they cannot check if you used it or not
1774 2011-05-06 16:33:29 <UukGoblin> what's OCCT?
1775 2011-05-06 16:34:03 <diki> i cant
1776 2011-05-06 16:34:12 <diki> i tried opening it to clean the heatsink
1777 2011-05-06 16:34:21 <diki> just a few days ago
1778 2011-05-06 16:34:23 <UukGoblin> I have a broken 5970 too, shows up 2 red leds all the time
1779 2011-05-06 16:34:44 <UukGoblin> diki, that shouldn't matter, I was told by a sapphire support guy that if you put it back like it was it shouldn't matter
1780 2011-05-06 16:35:48 <diki> Where i live, things dont happen like that
1781 2011-05-06 16:36:01 <UukGoblin> I'm also kinda screwed... purchased from followtheotter.co.uk, which seems to no longer exist... Sapphire won't accept the card because it was originally purchased from pixmania, and they have some special agreements with pixmania... talking to them now, but it doesn't look promising
1782 2011-05-06 16:36:04 <diki> if i've opened the case, which i did, i void the warranty, moreover i opened the card
1783 2011-05-06 16:36:17 <diki> Now i have to earn enough btc for a replacement
1784 2011-05-06 16:36:53 <diki> It spikes to 98 amps on the VRM
1785 2011-05-06 16:37:08 <diki> which is incredible considering it didn't do that at the highest voltage i used when i oced
1786 2011-05-06 16:40:13 <UukGoblin> oh you overvolted ;-]
1787 2011-05-06 16:40:21 <lulzplzkthx> Does anyone know if you can configure a CNAME to point to a subdomain of another website?
1788 2011-05-06 16:40:41 <UukGoblin> lulzplzkthx, sure you can
1789 2011-05-06 16:41:04 <BlueMatt> if one write "chKey = '\0';" and compiles using -O2, Im assuming that doesnt overwrite previous chKey, but just makes it point to a new location?
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1791 2011-05-06 16:41:29 <lulzplzkthx> UukGoblin: so I could buy a domain, and point it to, for example, sub.example.com and going to the domain would mirror sub.example.com?
1792 2011-05-06 16:42:12 <UukGoblin> lulzplzkthx, depends on the options you get from your provider, but if it's a reasonable one then yes, you should be able to do that
1793 2011-05-06 16:42:29 <UukGoblin> it wouldn't 'mirror' it, it would just direct a user to sub.example.com
1794 2011-05-06 16:42:45 <lulzplzkthx> Direct them silently or redirect the browser?
1795 2011-05-06 16:43:16 <lulzplzkthx> What I would like to do is buy a domain which points to a subdomain I have on a server a friend gave me (saving me the cost of hosting.)
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1797 2011-05-06 16:45:37 <diki> I don't think so
1798 2011-05-06 16:45:47 <diki> People say they can handle to about max 1,3 volts
1799 2011-05-06 16:45:54 <diki> i didn't go over 1,200
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1801 2011-05-06 16:46:06 <diki> i tried different combinations now the slightest OC results in problems
1802 2011-05-06 16:46:14 <BlueMatt> arg, I need a good way to measure how much trust individual bitcoin devs have for the build process...any ideas?
1803 2011-05-06 16:46:28 <BlueMatt> commits doesnt seem to match up
1804 2011-05-06 16:46:39 <BlueMatt> nor lines committed
1805 2011-05-06 16:47:40 <sipa> ?
1806 2011-05-06 16:47:41 <lulzplzkthx> huh?
1807 2011-05-06 16:48:09 <BlueMatt> the new build process requires assigning numbers to the trust individual developers have
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1809 2011-05-06 16:48:18 <BlueMatt> Im looking for a good way to do that
1810 2011-05-06 16:48:23 <lulzplzkthx> What new build process?
1811 2011-05-06 16:48:33 <BlueMatt> for 0.4.0 gitian-builder, devrandom's one
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1813 2011-05-06 16:49:34 <lulzplzkthx> If I don't use Gitian, does this concern me? :S I don't know what it does.
1814 2011-05-06 16:49:56 <BlueMatt> doesnt matter if you have an idea for how to assign trust to people in the bitcoin community
1815 2011-05-06 16:50:03 <BlueMatt> (developer trust, not wot -otc trust)
1816 2011-05-06 16:50:17 <SerajewelKS> lulzplzkthx: it might redirect, and it might not
1817 2011-05-06 16:50:20 <BlueMatt> unless you think they are close enoughly related...
1818 2011-05-06 16:50:23 <sipa> BlueMatt: not sure what you mean
1819 2011-05-06 16:50:31 <lulzplzkthx> Well, who would you say is most trusted now? gavinandres|en is clearly very trusted.
1820 2011-05-06 16:50:35 <lulzplzkthx> You're trusted.
1821 2011-05-06 16:50:35 <sipa> either the checksums match, or they don't right?
1822 2011-05-06 16:50:35 <SerajewelKS> lulzplzkthx: the destination page might look at the URL in the browser and redirect them.  it also might not.
1823 2011-05-06 16:50:49 <gjs278> you add the domain on the hosting and set an A record for the ip
1824 2011-05-06 16:50:54 <BlueMatt> sipa: the idea is that a download script will only install a new client if x of y gpg keys have signed it, but not all gpg keys are equal
1825 2011-05-06 16:50:59 <lulzplzkthx> SerajewelKS: So it dependso n the server that it's pointed to?
1826 2011-05-06 16:51:01 <gjs278> if you can't add the domain on the hosting then it won't be what you want
1827 2011-05-06 16:51:03 <BlueMatt> gavin's is obviously worth more than me, but how much more?
1828 2011-05-06 16:51:14 <gjs278> 7
1829 2011-05-06 16:51:15 <gjs278> 7 more
1830 2011-05-06 16:51:19 <sipa> 42
1831 2011-05-06 16:51:19 <SerajewelKS> lulzplzkthx: yes.  in some cases it might not even work.
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1833 2011-05-06 16:51:35 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: Maybe base it on time said dev has been working on the projec.
1834 2011-05-06 16:51:39 <sipa> BlueMatt: and users will assign those numbers themselves?
1835 2011-05-06 16:51:48 <lulzplzkthx> And if this uses the git system, whether they own the project.
1836 2011-05-06 16:51:50 <SerajewelKS> lulzplzkthx: for example, if the same server serves your target domain and another subdomain, it's not going to know which one your CNAME domain is trying to point to
1837 2011-05-06 16:52:02 <BlueMatt> well we will probably just use a default scipt making users do that is way too much work
1838 2011-05-06 16:52:03 <SerajewelKS> lulzplzkthx: the browser will pass 'Host: your-alias.example.com'
1839 2011-05-06 16:52:15 <SerajewelKS> lulzplzkthx: and the server will look at that and say "i don't handle that domain"
1840 2011-05-06 16:52:28 <lulzplzkthx> SerajewelKS: Ah, okay. That makes sense. Thanks.
1841 2011-05-06 16:52:31 <SerajewelKS> lulzplzkthx: so all of these factors are dependent on the hosting server and its configuration
1842 2011-05-06 16:52:36 <BlueMatt> the download script will need a certain "trust score" before it gives the greenlight on any downloads, each dev or signing will have x trust to give
1843 2011-05-06 16:52:38 <BlueMatt> you get the point
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1854 2011-05-06 17:25:20 <UukGoblin> so is gavinandresen appearing in public with the britcoin founder sometime soon?
1855 2011-05-06 17:25:29 <Diablo-D3> at the same place?
1856 2011-05-06 17:25:31 <UukGoblin> that j.mp link posted didn't seem to work very well for me
1857 2011-05-06 17:25:32 <Diablo-D3> not sure if thats a good diea
1858 2011-05-06 17:25:42 <gavinandresen> no, we'll appear on TWIST via skype
1859 2011-05-06 17:25:43 <gjs278> they already got Satoshi
1860 2011-05-06 17:25:48 <UukGoblin> Startups http://j.mp/9EiFNn@TWiStartups #Twist #bitcoin
1861 2011-05-06 17:25:56 <UukGoblin> oh
1862 2011-05-06 17:26:03 <UukGoblin> TWIST via skype, ok
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1864 2011-05-06 17:26:10 <UukGoblin> technology today...
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1867 2011-05-06 17:27:38 <grbgout> Why do UukGoblin and BlueMatt have ops in here now?  Is it based on source contribution?
1868 2011-05-06 17:27:49 <UukGoblin> grbgout, not the slightest
1869 2011-05-06 17:28:01 <UukGoblin> grbgout, I haven't contributed any source, I guess nanotube just likes me ;-]
1870 2011-05-06 17:28:08 <grbgout> Ah, I see.
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1872 2011-05-06 17:30:01 <xelister> how come I dont have ops
1873 2011-05-06 17:30:04 <xelister> and Diablo and ArtForz
1874 2011-05-06 17:30:07 <xelister> :>
1875 2011-05-06 17:30:24 <BlueMatt> grbgout: its the "I was here when there was  a douche who needed kicking and nanotube wasnt so I get ops for the future"
1876 2011-05-06 17:30:58 <UukGoblin> I agree Diablo-D3 and ArtForz could get some more permanent ops, as well as gavinandresen
1877 2011-05-06 17:31:07 <xelister> we 3 and pools/exchanges owners should get +v ;)
1878 2011-05-06 17:31:13 <UukGoblin> xelister, dunno about you though ;-]
1879 2011-05-06 17:31:24 <xelister> UukGoblin: what the fuck in the fuck ;)
1880 2011-05-06 17:31:35 <BlueMatt> I agree, but honestly as long as there is one person here most of the time, it doesnt matter
1881 2011-05-06 17:31:38 <xelister> UukGoblin: you developed any project extending bitcoin yet? :P
1882 2011-05-06 17:31:41 <BlueMatt> its not like anyone ever uses it
1883 2011-05-06 17:31:47 <UukGoblin> xelister, no u?
1884 2011-05-06 17:31:50 <xelister> yes
1885 2011-05-06 17:31:52 <xelister> u jelly?
1886 2011-05-06 17:31:59 <xelister> \o/
1887 2011-05-06 17:31:59 <BlueMatt> happy?
1888 2011-05-06 17:32:00 <UukGoblin> ah ok ;-]
1889 2011-05-06 17:32:08 <xelister> Im so happy I wish I could wet myself
1890 2011-05-06 17:32:18 <UukGoblin> xelister, what did you develop?
1891 2011-05-06 17:32:19 <xelister> >_>
1892 2011-05-06 17:32:36 <xelister> UukGoblin: well to be honest its just entering actually DEVELOPMENT - BtcFn
1893 2011-05-06 17:32:39 <xelister> #btcfn
1894 2011-05-06 17:32:48 <UukGoblin> ah, yeah, heard of it
1895 2011-05-06 17:33:00 <BlueMatt> yay, now you have ops, which you will literally never use :)
1896 2011-05-06 17:33:02 <xelister> btw, you're wellcomed to join the channel :) da2ce7 is sponsoring
1897 2011-05-06 17:33:16 <xelister> BlueMatt: already used it 3 times =)
1898 2011-05-06 17:33:26 <scottlad> Anyone interested in hosting for btc usd or gbp
1899 2011-05-06 17:33:27 <BlueMatt> ok, give ops doesnt count
1900 2011-05-06 17:33:38 <xelister> scottlad: buying?
1901 2011-05-06 17:33:47 <scottlad> pardon
1902 2011-05-06 17:33:51 <scottlad> no i am selling dude?
1903 2011-05-06 17:33:56 <Diablo-D3> [01:25:55] <UukGoblin> I agree Diablo-D3 and ArtForz could get some more permanent ops, as well as gavinandresen
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1905 2011-05-06 17:34:07 <Diablo-D3> people who are considered bitcoin devs should
1906 2011-05-06 17:34:26 <scottlad> xelister u intersted
1907 2011-05-06 17:34:34 <Diablo-D3> so that'd include me, art, and m0
1908 2011-05-06 17:34:38 <Diablo-D3> except m0s never around
1909 2011-05-06 17:34:45 <xelister> scottlad: hmm not now but perhaps soon :)
1910 2011-05-06 17:34:48 <BlueMatt> scottlad: please go talk with nanotube and go advertise on #bitocin-otc instead of here
1911 2011-05-06 17:34:54 <scottlad> want to see out site
1912 2011-05-06 17:34:55 <Diablo-D3> and probably MagicalTux
1913 2011-05-06 17:34:58 <UukGoblin> first!
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1915 2011-05-06 17:35:04 <xelister> but I was ._. lol
1916 2011-05-06 17:35:06 <BlueMatt> ok, now thats just not nice
1917 2011-05-06 17:35:09 <grbgout> BlueMatt: gotchya.  Whatever happened to the pay-to-kick service? :)
1918 2011-05-06 17:35:26 <UukGoblin> pay-to-kick, lol
1919 2011-05-06 17:35:32 <xelister> huhu
1920 2011-05-06 17:35:35 <BlueMatt> grbgout: it failed when UukGoblin got ops :(
1921 2011-05-06 17:35:43 <grbgout> BlueMatt: Ah, of course ^_^
1922 2011-05-06 17:35:53 <grbgout> BlueMatt: because he's always here?
1923 2011-05-06 17:36:01 <grbgout> therefore no need?
1924 2011-05-06 17:36:07 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, hey, he's been told several times to stop spamming us about it and use -otc
1925 2011-05-06 17:36:11 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I think Artz could easly develop some nice manual and tools about o.c.,  you are making diablominer, and me BtcFn (plus other stuff ;)
1926 2011-05-06 17:36:22 <Diablo-D3> btcwhat
1927 2011-05-06 17:37:04 <BlueMatt> grbgout: the only pay-to-kick there was was a bet that I wouldn't kick jargon (which obviously didnt impact my judgment ;)
1928 2011-05-06 17:37:10 <BlueMatt> though for some reason I was never paid...
1929 2011-05-06 17:38:00 <xelister> Diablo-D3: #btcfn you where in the channel, see /topic .
1930 2011-05-06 17:38:10 <xelister> project to make bitcoin more anonymous and uncensorable/unblockable
1931 2011-05-06 17:41:17 <Diablo-D3> but isnt that what tor is for?
1932 2011-05-06 17:41:57 <midnightmagic> yes.
1933 2011-05-06 17:42:14 <midnightmagic> and i2p.
1934 2011-05-06 17:42:19 <midnightmagic> and, and, and..
1935 2011-05-06 17:42:27 <xelister> Diablo-D3: tor, i2p, freenet
1936 2011-05-06 17:42:34 <xelister> but freenet has uniqie properies
1937 2011-05-06 17:42:57 <midnightmagic> uniquely irritating.
1938 2011-05-06 17:42:57 <xelister> + UNCENSORABLE - totally distributed. you can bomb the "server of site" the site still is available
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1940 2011-05-06 17:43:07 <xelister> - slow as fuck and east all resources =)
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1942 2011-05-06 17:43:26 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you know, doing something like freenet would be easy as a http cdn over tor
1943 2011-05-06 17:43:36 <xelister> + totally not DDoSable: the more the site is accessed, the FASTER it works :-D  something mtgox could had used one day ;)
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1945 2011-05-06 17:44:39 <grbgout> BlueMatt: I was referring to the pay-to-kick suggetion I made to nanotube about a month ago.
1946 2011-05-06 17:44:45 <xelister> + in future versions: doesnt need IP protocol and can have even like 1 week latency.  So sneakers-net, connect via HDD on usb, etc
1947 2011-05-06 17:44:53 <grbgout> But ultimately I was just joking.
1948 2011-05-06 17:45:05 <BlueMatt> grbgout: ah, must've missed that, but then again I was joking about it all too
1949 2011-05-06 17:45:11 <midnightmagic> or not.. cause you know, freenet's for static published docs.
1950 2011-05-06 17:45:24 <midnightmagic> and most of them are unavailable
1951 2011-05-06 17:45:24 <xelister> midnightmagic: boards work in it
1952 2011-05-06 17:45:32 <midnightmagic> for some definition of "work" sure
1953 2011-05-06 17:45:34 <xelister> even IRC work in them (~1 minute latency)
1954 2011-05-06 17:45:56 <midnightmagic> in freenet?
1955 2011-05-06 17:45:58 <midnightmagic> hardly
1956 2011-05-06 17:46:11 <xelister> yeah, since storage network is not infinite, obviously some documents - the least often accessed ones - are removed (well, overwritten by newer stuff) eventually
1957 2011-05-06 17:46:38 <xelister> midnightmagic: yeah there is totally experimental proof of concept, but working, IRC client over freenet
1958 2011-05-06 17:46:44 <grbgout> BlueMatt: I think it wasn't in -dev.
1959 2011-05-06 17:47:35 <midnightmagic> i'm having trouble lowering my expectations enough to allow the word "working" to apply to freenet. also, how the hell did you get ops?
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1961 2011-05-06 17:47:50 <xelister> midnightmagic: and it is possible to have bitcoin (blockchain and TXes) available via freenet
1962 2011-05-06 17:47:58 <midnightmagic> yeah that's truye
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1964 2011-05-06 17:48:26 <xelister> so bitcoin will work even if you would have blocked connections to 8332 and even if (more important) badgov would be scanning packages to detect btc
1965 2011-05-06 17:48:57 <xelister> you can do same ofc. say with ssh tunels and all, but that is much harder ultimatelly, and the person you connect to probably can give you away if traced
1966 2011-05-06 17:49:14 <midnightmagic> that is a good idea.
1967 2011-05-06 17:49:52 <xelister> which one?
1968 2011-05-06 17:49:58 <grbgout> Hmm, I've asked just about everywhere else, so why not here too?  Do any of you have an XFX 5850?
1969 2011-05-06 17:50:00 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Ehud Ben-Reuven * r08d5804177aa iOSApp/BitCoin/ (5 files): use http:// in the server name field to connect to a remote node using SSL http://tinyurl.com/3cwjon9
1970 2011-05-06 17:50:07 <grbgout> *HD 5850
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1972 2011-05-06 17:52:18 <xelister> midnightmagic: ultimatelly, by the way of doind BtcFn, we hope to develop also some sort of framework for other connection-plugins (both TCP-like and data-storage-like)
1973 2011-05-06 17:52:24 <xelister> *doing
1974 2011-05-06 17:52:52 <xelister> tor already works,  i2p would be nice to have, esp for blockchain since seems to work better for high load
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1976 2011-05-06 17:53:37 <xelister> ALSO, freenet would be awesome for thousands of new users joining quickly, since it would be very fast download of initiall blockchain since each-node-is-cashing-proxy
1977 2011-05-06 17:54:28 <lianj> i doubt in freenet and that an freenode channel needs 9 active ops. you just become op when you need it.
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1979 2011-05-06 17:55:17 <grbgout> lianj: depends on whether or not the channel founder has setup the permissions accordingly.
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1981 2011-05-06 17:55:27 <xelister> lianj: what do you doubt in in freenet?
1982 2011-05-06 17:55:48 <BlueMatt> lianj: I would tend to agree, but if xelister wants ops so badly, sure, its not like they will be used
1983 2011-05-06 17:56:39 <xelister> bitcoin has strong connectdions to trust and ranks. Would be nice imo if all developers doing soemthing big for bitcoin would be perhaps +v then instead
1984 2011-05-06 17:57:16 <xelister> you know, as a signal that this guy is has some reputation, apparently chan owners trust/know him to some degree, so if he would cheat you in trade then he has a lot to lost
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1986 2011-05-06 18:00:37 <allied> anyone know why 90e06d8f93e3918b79ad1eaf9eee29812b50b02675a3162b3f5a8f61c49022b2: 1BGRuS97i5nCtCsgw8x1EVGFHgbrGmMnnR 2.00 BTC isn't showing confirmed?
1987 2011-05-06 18:01:14 <allied> and isn't showing in the receivers mybitcoin.com wallet
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1991 2011-05-06 18:05:25 <allied> nevermind
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2003 2011-05-06 18:18:50 <xelister> ;;bc,gen 1400000
2004 2011-05-06 18:18:51 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 12.8399564271 BTC per day and 0.534998184461 BTC per hour.
2005 2011-05-06 18:19:36 <xelister> ;;bc,gen 1400000
2006 2011-05-06 18:19:37 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 12.8399564271 BTC per day and 0.534998184461 BTC per hour.
2007 2011-05-06 18:20:03 <xelister> ;;bc,gend 1400000 200000
2008 2011-05-06 18:20:03 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1400000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 200000, is 7.04079866409 BTC per day and 0.293366611004 BTC per hour.
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2012 2011-05-06 18:30:21 <midnightmagic> xelister: always the problems in I2P are host discovery. I'm not sure how the "trackerless" torrents work, but i'm certain the i2p people have a way to pass along hosts one to another, so I'm certain it would be possible (if not easy) to plug i2p well and properly into bitcoin
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2022 2011-05-06 18:47:25 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
2023 2011-05-06 18:47:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122279 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 696 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 11 hours, 42 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 150969.95396321
2024 2011-05-06 18:48:01 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, trackerless torrents are nothing more than a dht
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2027 2011-05-06 18:51:03 <midnightmagic> not in i2p.
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2029 2011-05-06 18:52:59 <forrestv> ;;bc,gen 387500
2030 2011-05-06 18:53:01 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 387500 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 3.55391651106 BTC per day and 0.148079854627 BTC per hour.
2031 2011-05-06 18:53:54 <midnightmagic> sorry, assume i know how normal torrents, normal trackerless torrents, magnet links, and the rest all work; i was talking specifically about how torrent'ers like robert (i think it's called robert) work in i2p.
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2033 2011-05-06 19:02:10 <gjs278> ;;bc,gen 280000
2034 2011-05-06 19:02:14 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 280000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 2.56799128541 BTC per day and 0.106999636892 BTC per hour.
2035 2011-05-06 19:02:35 <gjs278> ;;bc,gen 280000 150000
2036 2011-05-06 19:02:37 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
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2040 2011-05-06 19:05:02 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Ehud Ben-Reuven * reb44483ba712 iOSApp/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 1.0.7 http://tinyurl.com/5wvnsmd
2041 2011-05-06 19:05:14 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Ehud Ben-Reuven * r1cb5ef7be0ff iOSApp/BitCoin.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: 1.0.7 http://tinyurl.com/6bu2bxu
2042 2011-05-06 19:05:18 <UukGoblin> is 5650 really better mhash/W
2043 2011-05-06 19:05:18 <UukGoblin> ?
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2049 2011-05-06 19:09:30 <pwrcycle> how can you set bitcoind to charge for processing transactions?
2050 2011-05-06 19:09:50 <RenaKunisaki> edit the config file
2051 2011-05-06 19:10:01 <RenaKunisaki> ~/.bitcoin.conf IIRC
2052 2011-05-06 19:10:23 <pwrcycle> RenaKunisaki: i see examples to pay, but not to charge.
2053 2011-05-06 19:10:24 <RenaKunisaki> er, ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
2054 2011-05-06 19:10:40 <RenaKunisaki> what, to charge others for sending to you?
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2056 2011-05-06 19:10:56 <pwrcycle> what is the syntax to charge a fee? like th mining pools charge a fee.
2057 2011-05-06 19:11:10 <BlueMatt> there is none
2058 2011-05-06 19:11:13 <BlueMatt> you have to modify the src
2059 2011-05-06 19:11:51 <BlueMatt> and mining pools dont charge a fee
2060 2011-05-06 19:12:01 <BlueMatt> (beyond what the default is)
2061 2011-05-06 19:12:13 <BlueMatt> if you mean fee on miners, well then you need to be running a pool server
2062 2011-05-06 19:12:19 <BlueMatt> with which I have no experience
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2064 2011-05-06 19:12:54 <pwrcycle> BlueMatt: not th fee for mining blocks, i'm looking at the fee for processing transactions.
2065 2011-05-06 19:13:09 <BlueMatt> for transactions its hard-coded in the src
2066 2011-05-06 19:13:15 <pwrcycle> k
2067 2011-05-06 19:13:15 <BlueMatt> its per kb
2068 2011-05-06 19:13:59 <pwrcycle> for a mining pool, do you run bitcoind as the central controler, with rcp connections?
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2070 2011-05-06 19:14:55 <BlueMatt> effectively run bitcoind with a rpc proxy
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2080 2011-05-06 19:30:15 <SerajewelKS> pwrcycle: as the block generator, you don't choose what the fee is, the person who created the transaction does.  if you want to "charge a fee" you simply don't include transactions that have less than the fee you are charging.
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2086 2011-05-06 19:45:51 <BlueMatt> theymos: get my gribble pms?
2087 2011-05-06 19:46:13 <theymos> Yes. I'm not interested in building the release.
2088 2011-05-06 19:46:28 <BlueMatt> no?
2089 2011-05-06 19:47:44 <BlueMatt> why not, might I ask?
2090 2011-05-06 19:47:59 <theymos> I'm not very experienced with it, and setting up a build environment would be a lot of work.
2091 2011-05-06 19:48:39 <BlueMatt> you dont have to, thats the beauty of gitian
2092 2011-05-06 19:48:43 <BlueMatt> all you need is ubuntu
2093 2011-05-06 19:49:10 <theymos> Then I'd have to set up Ubuntu...
2094 2011-05-06 19:49:43 <BlueMatt> mmm, well any linux distro should work in theory, but as you wish
2095 2011-05-06 19:50:02 <theymos> I don't have any Linux systems with a GUI.
2096 2011-05-06 19:50:25 <BlueMatt> dont need gui
2097 2011-05-06 19:50:59 <gjs278> he just doesn't want to do it bro!!!
2098 2011-05-06 19:51:10 <gjs278> although he should admit that instead of coming up with the world's worst excuses
2099 2011-05-06 19:51:39 <BlueMatt> its all good, if you dont want to, you dont have to
2100 2011-05-06 19:51:44 <io_error> Building what? I happily spin up virtual machines for fun and profit.
2101 2011-05-06 19:51:49 <gjs278> zero profit
2102 2011-05-06 19:51:57 <io_error> Then it had better be REALLY fun@!
2103 2011-05-06 19:52:00 <gjs278> maximum fun
2104 2011-05-06 19:52:18 <BlueMatt> Im just looking for people who are very well-trusted in the community to plan on building 0.4.0 when the time comes
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2107 2011-05-06 19:53:25 <io_error> Well I've been planning to set up a virtual build server farm for my own use anyway
2108 2011-05-06 19:53:25 <gjs278> I've gotten close to building a copy of windows for fun but then I gave up
2109 2011-05-06 19:54:21 <io_error> Windows is NOT fun. Profit required :P
2110 2011-05-06 19:54:40 <BlueMatt> cross compile
2111 2011-05-06 19:55:14 <JFK911> yeah mingw32 kicked ass when i tried it out last week
2112 2011-05-06 19:55:43 <JFK911> the hardest part was finding the toolchain after it was installed
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2114 2011-05-06 19:56:43 <gjs278> my mingw32 setup is really old and only used for compiling gtk c apps
2115 2011-05-06 19:56:59 <gjs278> I could probably never get it working again
2116 2011-05-06 19:57:10 <gjs278> so I'm holding onto my dirs of it forever
2117 2011-05-06 19:57:44 <BlueMatt> ubuntu: sudo apt-get install mingw32 works great for me
2118 2011-05-06 19:58:05 <BlueMatt> even have bitcoin compiling on that
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2120 2011-05-06 19:58:52 <BlueMatt> anyone else have comments on the wallet-private-key-encryption patch?
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2126 2011-05-06 20:11:13 <sipa> BlueMatt: you can write a destructor by giving it function name ~CCrypter
2127 2011-05-06 20:11:46 <BlueMatt> sipa: does it get called automatically on application close?
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2129 2011-05-06 20:13:33 <BlueMatt> sipa: the docs I saw online were fairly unclear on that matter so I didnt do that, but maybe I just didnt google long enough
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2135 2011-05-06 20:21:20 <sipa> BlueMatt: yes, will be called automatically when deleted or going out of scope
2136 2011-05-06 20:21:54 <BlueMatt> sipa: ok new commit pushed
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2151 2011-05-06 21:00:27 <BlueMatt> sipa: ok, now that you have effectively written more of this patch than me, does it look good to you?
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2154 2011-05-06 21:01:13 <UukGoblin> ;;later tell luke-jr aah, I've looked more into that mkdir_recurse(). You appear to be right, I can't think of a way of writing it in C++ more efficiently :-]
2155 2011-05-06 21:01:13 <gribble> Error: Spurious "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
2156 2011-05-06 21:01:27 <UukGoblin> ;;later tell luke-jr "aah, I've looked more into that mkdir_recurse(). You appear to be right, I can't think of a way of writing it in C++ more efficiently :-]"
2157 2011-05-06 21:01:28 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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2164 2011-05-06 21:10:02 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
2165 2011-05-06 21:10:03 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.61,"low":3.29,"vol":25140,"buy":3.48,"sell":3.4898,"last":3.482}}
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2170 2011-05-06 21:18:48 <idealistChampion> sup bitcoiners?
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2173 2011-05-06 21:19:19 <idealistChampion> hello?
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2177 2011-05-06 21:34:26 <netxshare> anyone know how luke-jr's pools balance is stored?
2178 2011-05-06 21:34:36 <netxshare> is "balance" really BTC?
2179 2011-05-06 21:34:41 <netxshare> or is it in a different format
2180 2011-05-06 21:34:50 <BlueMatt> its satoshis
2181 2011-05-06 21:34:53 <BlueMatt> ie base units
2182 2011-05-06 21:35:09 <netxshare> thanks
2183 2011-05-06 21:35:16 <netxshare> it did not make sense other wise :P
2184 2011-05-06 21:36:19 <BlueMatt> yea, Id love to get a couple hundred bitcoin per share
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2194 2011-05-06 21:59:38 <foggyb> where would i go find a sponser for a new mining rig?
2195 2011-05-06 22:00:25 <jgarzik> a sponsor?
2196 2011-05-06 22:00:43 <jgarzik> typically, anybody who sponsors a new mining rigs wants all the income from it...
2197 2011-05-06 22:00:59 <foggyb> oh .... hehe
2198 2011-05-06 22:01:47 <foggyb> free electricity....;^)
2199 2011-05-06 22:02:07 <foggyb> i host & run it
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2203 2011-05-06 22:03:18 <foggyb> is a 4-gpu (4850's) rig a good way to start?
2204 2011-05-06 22:03:29 <foggyb> for solo mining
2205 2011-05-06 22:03:51 <diki> may someone tell me what bitcoinD is against normal bitcoiN?
2206 2011-05-06 22:03:53 <foggyb> i can get new 4850's for 184 each
2207 2011-05-06 22:04:12 <BlueMatt> foggyb: you might be able to find someone on #bitcoin-otc but I highly doubt it
2208 2011-05-06 22:06:49 <diki> someone?
2209 2011-05-06 22:07:05 <BlueMatt> diki: bitcoind = server bitcoin = gui
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2211 2011-05-06 22:08:15 <diki> does this bitcoind support long polling?
2212 2011-05-06 22:08:33 <BlueMatt> no
2213 2011-05-06 22:08:38 <BlueMatt> thats only pools
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2215 2011-05-06 22:09:26 <diki> isnt it also a pool?
2216 2011-05-06 22:09:52 <jgarzik> diki: not really
2217 2011-05-06 22:10:00 <BlueMatt> no bitcoind is your own personal bitcoin
2218 2011-05-06 22:10:02 <forrestv> is there an accepted 'okay' temperature for gpus?
2219 2011-05-06 22:10:10 <BlueMatt> though you can have as many miners as you want on it
2220 2011-05-06 22:10:19 <midnightmagic> ;;isitup mtgox.com
2221 2011-05-06 22:10:19 <gribble> Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
2222 2011-05-06 22:10:26 <BlueMatt> forrestv: no, not by any means...though if you are under 80 you are good
2223 2011-05-06 22:10:26 <midnightmagic> ;;isitdown mtgox.com
2224 2011-05-06 22:10:30 <diki> I was actually looking for an alternative before using a virtual machine as a server
2225 2011-05-06 22:10:31 <gribble> http://mtgox.com Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
2226 2011-05-06 22:10:40 <forrestv> ah, i am (:
2227 2011-05-06 22:10:57 <diki> beware of clocking
2228 2011-05-06 22:11:00 <diki> seems i overvolted
2229 2011-05-06 22:11:08 <diki> my vrms are screwed
2230 2011-05-06 22:11:45 <Diablo-D3> wait for it to cool down off for awhile
2231 2011-05-06 22:12:01 <Diablo-D3> [05:58:50] <foggyb> i can get new 4850's for 184 each
2232 2011-05-06 22:12:06 <Diablo-D3> lolwhat
2233 2011-05-06 22:12:10 <Diablo-D3> I paid less for my 5850
2234 2011-05-06 22:12:16 <diki> what do you mean diablo?
2235 2011-05-06 22:12:22 <Diablo-D3> diki: machine, turn off.
2236 2011-05-06 22:12:28 <diki> why?
2237 2011-05-06 22:12:43 <Diablo-D3> because I am going to crowbar if you question the advice of people who know what they're talking about again
2238 2011-05-06 22:12:57 <Diablo-D3> [06:04:59] <forrestv> is there an accepted 'okay' temperature for gpus?
2239 2011-05-06 22:13:01 <Diablo-D3> 85 max
2240 2011-05-06 22:13:05 <diki> Look the card is screwed it went to 110c without much voltage
2241 2011-05-06 22:13:12 <diki> on the VRMs not core
2242 2011-05-06 22:13:21 <Diablo-D3> diki: 110c VRM temp? thats not bad
2243 2011-05-06 22:13:37 <BlueMatt> god 110 on any other device is TJmax
2244 2011-05-06 22:13:38 <diki> if the vrms are bad...it could be
2245 2011-05-06 22:13:44 <Diablo-D3> 85c GPU temp usually means around 120c VRM
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2247 2011-05-06 22:13:54 <BlueMatt> oh not TJ ok
2248 2011-05-06 22:13:54 <foggyb> oops i meant 5858 ;^)
2249 2011-05-06 22:14:04 <Diablo-D3> this is why you dont wanna exceed 85c on the GPU... its not bad for the GPU so to speak, its bad for the VRMs
2250 2011-05-06 22:14:12 <Diablo-D3> of course some insane fuckers install VRM coolers
2251 2011-05-06 22:14:13 <midnightmagic> AMD "specs" for stock clockings are quite a bit higher than that, but people here like to be safer because the stuff we do works things out a bit harder than your typical game of quake. :)
2252 2011-05-06 22:14:20 <diki> right now the amps are increased
2253 2011-05-06 22:14:33 <Diablo-D3> diki: if you want to cool it down to try again, you _shut the machine off_
2254 2011-05-06 22:14:34 <diki> with no voltage added while they were less before
2255 2011-05-06 22:14:41 <Diablo-D3> Ive overheated my VRMs before
2256 2011-05-06 22:14:49 <Diablo-D3> all it does is shorten the life like a month
2257 2011-05-06 22:14:55 <foggyb> diablo where do u get 5850 for less than 184?
2258 2011-05-06 22:15:08 <diki> where do you get it under 250?
2259 2011-05-06 22:15:14 <foggyb> newegg
2260 2011-05-06 22:15:17 <Diablo-D3> foggyb: newegg has an gigabyte OC'ed 5850 for $180 plus a MIB so its down to $155
2261 2011-05-06 22:15:37 <foggyb> i hate MIB with passion
2262 2011-05-06 22:15:43 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125318
2263 2011-05-06 22:15:44 <Diablo-D3> that one
2264 2011-05-06 22:15:50 <midnightmagic> MIBs are the devil
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2266 2011-05-06 22:15:55 <foggyb> i know about that deal
2267 2011-05-06 22:16:02 <Diablo-D3> I bought that one three days ago
2268 2011-05-06 22:16:10 <foggyb> how's it OC?
2269 2011-05-06 22:16:11 <Diablo-D3> its about the best card you're going to get unless you just load up on 6990s
2270 2011-05-06 22:16:16 <Diablo-D3> foggyb: dunno
2271 2011-05-06 22:16:20 <Diablo-D3> its 765 out of the box
2272 2011-05-06 22:16:22 <Diablo-D3> instead of 725
2273 2011-05-06 22:16:28 <Diablo-D3> UPS hasnt delivered it yet
2274 2011-05-06 22:16:45 <foggyb> newegg and ncix reviewers said it OC's past 5870 numbers
2275 2011-05-06 22:16:49 <Diablo-D3> well
2276 2011-05-06 22:16:49 <foggyb> 975? i think
2277 2011-05-06 22:16:51 <diki> DIablo...my card shuts down if i even clock it a little over 760-65
2278 2011-05-06 22:16:51 <foggyb> core
2279 2011-05-06 22:17:00 <diki> while i had no issues before
2280 2011-05-06 22:17:03 <Diablo-D3> its got better VRMs in it
2281 2011-05-06 22:17:13 <Diablo-D3> and the heatsink design seems to be pretty good
2282 2011-05-06 22:17:21 <diki> However the amps on the VRMs spiked to 100
2283 2011-05-06 22:17:34 <foggyb> gigabyte gear is always nice, their MB are the bomb
2284 2011-05-06 22:17:35 <davex__> 5970 > 6990, unless someone's figured a way to clock down the 6990 memory and have the setting stick
2285 2011-05-06 22:17:40 <Diablo-D3> I should be able to push it past 765
2286 2011-05-06 22:17:50 <Diablo-D3> davex__: you cant buy 5970s or 5870s anymore
2287 2011-05-06 22:17:55 <Diablo-D3> you literally have no options
2288 2011-05-06 22:17:56 <davex__> yeah figured
2289 2011-05-06 22:18:03 <Diablo-D3> so its either the worlds last 5850s
2290 2011-05-06 22:18:04 <diki> why cant you>
2291 2011-05-06 22:18:08 <Diablo-D3> or go directly to 6990
2292 2011-05-06 22:18:36 <davex__> just a week ago they were like $450 on ebay.  but not anymore.
2293 2011-05-06 22:18:41 <davex__> er maybe 2 weeks ago...
2294 2011-05-06 22:19:03 <foggyb> 3 of those in one rig takes out my local hydo generating station
2295 2011-05-06 22:19:45 <diki> I plan on disassembling the card again to see if any vrms look bad
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2298 2011-05-06 22:20:22 <foggyb> techpowerup chart shows something like 450 watts per 6990 at full load
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2300 2011-05-06 22:20:32 <davex__> yeah
2301 2011-05-06 22:20:33 <davex__> sucks
2302 2011-05-06 22:20:49 <Diablo-D3> foggyb: no
2303 2011-05-06 22:20:53 <Diablo-D3> you're reading the chart wrong
2304 2011-05-06 22:21:01 <Diablo-D3> its technically 300 max, its 315 real max
2305 2011-05-06 22:21:05 <Diablo-D3> 5970 is 300 real max
2306 2011-05-06 22:21:19 <Diablo-D3> and 69xx tune better on lopsided loads like bitcoin mining
2307 2011-05-06 22:21:22 <davex__> mmm...  my 6990 is pulling close to that overvolted
2308 2011-05-06 22:21:39 <foggyb> maybe i was looking at crossfire 69xx numbers
2309 2011-05-06 22:22:28 <foggyb> so i can pull off 6990 x 3 with silvertone 1k PSU?
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2312 2011-05-06 22:25:12 <foggyb> is it worth to build a new rig with all-new parts, what with difficulty increases?
2313 2011-05-06 22:25:47 <davex__> difficulty is very low
2314 2011-05-06 22:26:59 <davex__> all depends on the market price
2315 2011-05-06 22:27:02 <foggyb> yes but will rise exponentially, will it not?
2316 2011-05-06 22:27:07 <foggyb> the dif
2317 2011-05-06 22:27:13 <midnightmagic> there's no way of knowing.
2318 2011-05-06 22:27:34 <midnightmagic> or, if you're good with math, take some splines and project it out.
2319 2011-05-06 22:27:34 <davex__> nope.  maxes 300 btc/hr power usage.
2320 2011-05-06 22:27:57 <foggyb> can i pay off my 4x 5850's in a month?
2321 2011-05-06 22:28:29 <midnightmagic> how much did you pay for them, what is your power costs, and then you have to ask yourself how much you trust the curves you can see on mtgox?
2322 2011-05-06 22:28:34 <davex__> if you'd bought them in february you'd have paid them back twice by now without selling the coins
2323 2011-05-06 22:28:52 <midnightmagic> not a particularly helpful answer..
2324 2011-05-06 22:29:05 <davex__> haha
2325 2011-05-06 22:29:11 <davex__> there is no helpful answer to that question.
2326 2011-05-06 22:29:14 <foggyb> i hate u ;^)
2327 2011-05-06 22:29:23 <midnightmagic> there's always a helpful answer.
2328 2011-05-06 22:29:24 <midnightmagic> :)
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2330 2011-05-06 22:30:14 <foggyb> well my power costs are free, 5850 will cost 184 each
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2333 2011-05-06 22:30:59 <davex__> i'd think building a rig would be way smarter than buying bitcoins right now.
2334 2011-05-06 22:31:08 <midnightmagic> if your power costs are free, then you can take as much time as you need to pay them back?
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2336 2011-05-06 22:31:31 <foggyb> pay who back?
2337 2011-05-06 22:31:38 <midnightmagic> your wallet.
2338 2011-05-06 22:32:25 <foggyb> the only two unknowns for me, is BTC price, and difficulty increases
2339 2011-05-06 22:32:57 <foggyb> well, that and BTC liquidity
2340 2011-05-06 22:33:29 <foggyb> should do solo mining, or pool?
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2342 2011-05-06 22:34:42 <luke-jr> time to figure out mining in KVM
2343 2011-05-06 22:35:43 <foggyb> whats better for dedicated rig, solo, or pool mining?
2344 2011-05-06 22:36:17 <BlueMatt> there is a #bitcoin-mining btw
2345 2011-05-06 22:37:03 <midnightmagic> pool mining is for people who mine so little they don't have a hope of ever getting anything back if they did it solo.
2346 2011-05-06 22:37:24 <foggyb> i see
2347 2011-05-06 22:37:26 <midnightmagic> dedicated rigs are currently better solo, assuming pool managers aren't ripping you off.
2348 2011-05-06 22:37:40 <foggyb> how can they do that?
2349 2011-05-06 22:38:02 <midnightmagic> by pretending they have a bigger share of the overall pie than you do.
2350 2011-05-06 22:38:15 <midnightmagic> and then just paying themselves appropriately.
2351 2011-05-06 22:38:45 <midnightmagic> by solo mining, you cut out all that crap. but of course, if you are mining with something wimpy, then honestly there's not much hope of getting ฿ without pool mining.
2352 2011-05-06 22:39:10 <foggyb> i want to build a good rig, and then expand with the profits
2353 2011-05-06 22:43:52 <lulzplzkthx> Is there a site other that Bitcoin charts to see transactions waiting to get in blocks?
2354 2011-05-06 22:45:39 <foggyb> so if i find a block, is that data stored on the PC waiting to get deleted by accident?
2355 2011-05-06 22:46:17 <davex__> huh?
2356 2011-05-06 22:46:29 <midnightmagic> foggyb: yep.
2357 2011-05-06 22:46:47 <midnightmagic> well.. the block itself isn't. but your wallet is, which has the authority to spend the coins generated in that block
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2360 2011-05-06 22:47:33 <foggyb> is there any way to store the wallet online?
2361 2011-05-06 22:48:27 <BlueMatt> foggyb: the wallet is just a file, encrypt  it and back it up like any other file
2362 2011-05-06 22:48:40 <Diablo-D3> [06:17:25] <foggyb> so i can pull off 6990 x 3 with silvertone 1k PSU?
2363 2011-05-06 22:48:41 <Diablo-D3> no
2364 2011-05-06 22:48:52 <lulzplzkthx> Does anyone know why Bitcoin Charts is down / when it'll be back up?
2365 2011-05-06 22:49:04 <Diablo-D3> that'd be 950w just for the 6990s alone
2366 2011-05-06 22:49:19 <Diablo-D3> just go straight to 4 and get like two good 750/850 PSUs
2367 2011-05-06 22:49:27 <Diablo-D3> thats how art built his rigs
2368 2011-05-06 22:49:46 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: ask tcatm
2369 2011-05-06 22:50:04 <foggyb> thats what i'd like to do....
2370 2011-05-06 22:50:31 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: thanks.
2371 2011-05-06 22:50:55 <foggyb> thats what, 2800 m/hash?
2372 2011-05-06 22:51:31 <Diablo-D3> um
2373 2011-05-06 22:51:35 <Diablo-D3> like 700 each
2374 2011-05-06 22:51:46 <Diablo-D3> so yeah 2800 give or take
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2376 2011-05-06 22:52:10 <lulzplzkthx> ;;calc [bc,mtgoxlast]*20
2377 2011-05-06 22:52:21 <gribble> ...
2378 2011-05-06 22:53:13 <davex__> Diablo-D3, dumb q...  can you use more than 1 psu per mb?
2379 2011-05-06 22:53:25 <Diablo-D3> davex__: "yes"
2380 2011-05-06 22:53:28 <Diablo-D3> but not really
2381 2011-05-06 22:53:33 <Diablo-D3> plug the ATX and P4 from the same mobo
2382 2011-05-06 22:53:50 <Diablo-D3> errr
2383 2011-05-06 22:53:52 <Diablo-D3> from the same PSU
2384 2011-05-06 22:54:12 <Diablo-D3> and then like on a 4 card rig
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2386 2011-05-06 22:54:31 <Diablo-D3> 2 8pins and 2 6pins on one psu, 2 6pins and 2 8pins on the other
2387 2011-05-06 22:54:47 <Diablo-D3> or 2 8pin, 1 6pin, 3 6pin, 2 8pin
2388 2011-05-06 22:54:50 <BlueMatt> davex__: to get them to go on, you have to wire the green pins together on the 20ping
2389 2011-05-06 22:54:52 <BlueMatt> pin*
2390 2011-05-06 22:54:57 <BlueMatt> then 1 ground
2391 2011-05-06 22:55:07 <Diablo-D3> yeah if you wanna turn the second on, just use an ATX starter plug
2392 2011-05-06 22:55:10 <BlueMatt> green being the one the mobo uses to turn power on
2393 2011-05-06 22:55:12 <Diablo-D3> its easier that way
2394 2011-05-06 22:55:20 <davex__> hmm...  that woulda been good to know about.  oh well
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2396 2011-05-06 22:55:27 <BlueMatt> (or if you are ghetto like me, use a paper clip on the second one ;)
2397 2011-05-06 22:55:31 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: meh
2398 2011-05-06 22:55:54 <grbgout> lsnames
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2400 2011-05-06 22:56:10 <grbgout> wrong window /and/ a typo.
2401 2011-05-06 22:56:12 <BlueMatt> well Ive only ever done that when testing waterloop overnight without having any hardware in the case
2402 2011-05-06 22:56:19 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: yeah but like
2403 2011-05-06 22:56:25 <grbgout> Does it matter which ground wire you use?
2404 2011-05-06 22:56:26 <Diablo-D3> they have stand alone starterplugs too
2405 2011-05-06 22:56:39 <BlueMatt> no the grounds are all wired together on the psu side
2406 2011-05-06 22:56:50 <grbgout> k, I think I have a dead PSU then.
2407 2011-05-06 22:56:51 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: but then I have to spend money, a paperclip is free
2408 2011-05-06 22:57:04 <grbgout> I tried the paperclip-trick, and the PSU fan doesn't spin.
2409 2011-05-06 22:57:05 <BlueMatt> well, should be, try some other ones too
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2411 2011-05-06 22:57:41 <BlueMatt> as long as you just see a single green wire, wiring that to the nearest black should work fine to get it going, try it with a gpu or something before giving up
2412 2011-05-06 22:57:43 <Diablo-D3> man
2413 2011-05-06 22:57:48 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck is with Vangelis
2414 2011-05-06 22:57:51 <BlueMatt> maybe fan doesnt spin up till its getting some amperage
2415 2011-05-06 22:57:58 <Diablo-D3> ALWAYS that fucking trumpet
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2417 2011-05-06 22:58:44 <BlueMatt> anyone else had a chance to look through jgarzik's/sipa's/(somewhat my) wallet encryption thing?
2418 2011-05-06 22:59:44 <vorlov> luke-jr: are you here?
2419 2011-05-06 22:59:52 <luke-jr> sortof
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2421 2011-05-06 23:00:10 <vorlov> if im showing on the currnt_block.json when can i expect to see the btcs in my addr
2422 2011-05-06 23:00:10 <vorlov> ?
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2426 2011-05-06 23:02:41 <BlueMatt> vorlov: when the pool makes another block
2427 2011-05-06 23:03:21 <vorlov> BlueMatt: is looking at blocks/ dir the only way to know when a new block has been created by us?
2428 2011-05-06 23:03:47 <BlueMatt> well the generation tx is very different if you are looking at blockexplorer
2429 2011-05-06 23:04:42 <vorlov> i mean if i look at luke's eligius server in the blocks directory
2430 2011-05-06 23:04:49 <vorlov> is that my only way of knowing that we have generated a new block
2431 2011-05-06 23:04:50 <vorlov> ?
2432 2011-05-06 23:05:10 <BlueMatt> that will tell you, but if you look at blockexplorer which ones are luke's are pretty obvious
2433 2011-05-06 23:05:26 <vorlov> how so? becuz the generation is right away spread into multiple accounts?
2434 2011-05-06 23:05:32 <BlueMatt> yea
2435 2011-05-06 23:05:43 <BlueMatt> normally its 50 to one address, but luke's are to like 10
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2438 2011-05-06 23:07:07 <wheatgrass> Anyone know when the diff is scheduled to go up?
2439 2011-05-06 23:07:33 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
2440 2011-05-06 23:07:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122323 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 652 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 151980.72808440
2441 2011-05-06 23:08:19 <vorlov> BlueMatt: last question... looking at current_block i see my sum go up and in the last few minutes down... does that mean that in the grand scheme of things some of my hashes got accepted and later on rejected?
2442 2011-05-06 23:08:25 <vorlov> or why would it go down?
2443 2011-05-06 23:08:52 <BlueMatt> current_block isnt your balance, its just what your balance WOULD be if a block came out now
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2445 2011-05-06 23:09:13 <vorlov> i see.... but why does it go down is my question
2446 2011-05-06 23:09:14 <vorlov> ?
2447 2011-05-06 23:09:16 <BlueMatt> remember that as time goes on, each share you submitted to a block gets less and less valuable (hence the switching pools attack)
2448 2011-05-06 23:09:22 <vorlov> ohhhhhh
2449 2011-05-06 23:09:24 <vorlov> i see
2450 2011-05-06 23:09:29 <BlueMatt> because there are more shares and still 50 BTC
2451 2011-05-06 23:09:36 <vorlov> okay i understand
2452 2011-05-06 23:09:38 <vorlov> thank you
2453 2011-05-06 23:09:42 <BlueMatt> np
2454 2011-05-06 23:09:53 <vorlov> ill be back later, thanks for the help BlueMatt !
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2461 2011-05-06 23:20:16 <BlueMatt> sipa: does pubkey derivation from privkey work faster than signing?
2462 2011-05-06 23:20:44 <ntosme2> is pcie-8x enough for a 5970?
2463 2011-05-06 23:20:58 <BlueMatt> for mining, yea
2464 2011-05-06 23:21:06 <BlueMatt> you dont need much bw for a mining card
2465 2011-05-06 23:21:13 x5x is now known as x5x`brb
2466 2011-05-06 23:21:17 <ntosme2> how about 4,2,1x?
2467 2011-05-06 23:21:32 <xelister> "Until today, GPGPU computing was a userspace privilege because of NVIDIA's closed-source policy and AMD's semi-open state. KGPU is a workaround to enable Linux kernel functionality written in CUDA.
2468 2011-05-06 23:21:33 <xelister> what
2469 2011-05-06 23:21:35 <sipa> BlueMatt: very much
2470 2011-05-06 23:21:43 <sipa> BlueMatt: the privkey simply contains the pubkey
2471 2011-05-06 23:21:44 <xelister> even slashdot is bribed by nvidia into "cuda" crap?
2472 2011-05-06 23:21:48 <xelister> fuck cuda in the ass, use opencl?
2473 2011-05-06 23:21:57 <BlueMatt> sipa: alright, fair enough...will change
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2475 2011-05-06 23:22:48 <BlueMatt> on nvidia hardware, cuda performs better
2476 2011-05-06 23:23:05 <sipa> BlueMatt: so use SetPrivKey() on a new CKey, followed by GetPubKey()
2477 2011-05-06 23:23:05 <xelister> BlueMatt: and?
2478 2011-05-06 23:23:17 <BlueMatt> and for floating point, cuda will outpreform an amd on opencl
2479 2011-05-06 23:23:23 <xelister> on Radeon hardware, Radeon's assembler performas better
2480 2011-05-06 23:23:34 <BlueMatt> (which is what most gpgpu is)
2481 2011-05-06 23:23:39 <sipa> cuda and opencl are just interfaces
2482 2011-05-06 23:23:41 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
2483 2011-05-06 23:23:45 <xelister> BlueMatt: floating point in kernel for implementing crypto-fs? Oh u so corazy.
2484 2011-05-06 23:23:53 <sipa> i think talking about one being faster than the other is pointless
2485 2011-05-06 23:23:56 <csshih> ;;getrating Beremat
2486 2011-05-06 23:23:56 <gribble> User Beremat, with hostmask None, was created on Sat Apr 30 23:15:44 2011, and has a cumulative rating of 4, from a total of 4 ratings. Of these, 4 are positive and 0 are negative. This user has also sent 5 positive ratings, and 0 negative ratings to others.
2487 2011-05-06 23:24:14 <sipa> xelister: no one is talking about crypto stuff
2488 2011-05-06 23:24:15 <BlueMatt> xelister: ok well not for crypto, but most gpgpu isnt crypto
2489 2011-05-06 23:24:27 <BlueMatt> sipa: the /. article xelister is talking about was
2490 2011-05-06 23:24:32 <sipa> oh, sorry
2491 2011-05-06 23:24:47 <BlueMatt> god man, keep up with your /. articles from 10 minutes ago ;)
2492 2011-05-06 23:24:54 <xelister> sipa: you see any possimple applications of KERNEL opencl-like calculations that would be FLOATING POINT? Oh bitcoiners u so crazy =)
2493 2011-05-06 23:25:04 <xelister> ^ linux kernel
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2495 2011-05-06 23:26:20 <xelister> but yea it is worht noting, that here using CUDA is stupid /because/ these calculations are integers, so radeon is the win. But anyway, using CUDA in kernel is lockin into nvidias, while OpenCL is portable
2496 2011-05-06 23:26:20 <sipa> xelister: no, absolutely not
2497 2011-05-06 23:26:42 <sipa> xelister: but i forgot the discussion started with a /. article about using it for in kernel ops
2498 2011-05-06 23:26:55 <xelister> ok ;)
2499 2011-05-06 23:27:04 <BlueMatt> if you want general use out of a gpgpu, you might as well go nvidia
2500 2011-05-06 23:27:14 <BlueMatt> more applications and better floating point (only by a tiny bit)
2501 2011-05-06 23:27:23 <BlueMatt> hence the cuda obsession
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2503 2011-05-06 23:29:34 <BlueMatt> how did I miss SetPrivKey when looking at key.h last night
2504 2011-05-06 23:29:39 <BlueMatt> I really shouldnt program after 3 am
2505 2011-05-06 23:29:50 <grbgout> Sleep deprivation and computing doesn't mix :)
2506 2011-05-06 23:29:53 <grbgout> yet, we persist.
2507 2011-05-06 23:30:09 <jgarzik> so true
2508 2011-05-06 23:31:12 <xelister> grbgout: debian libssl guy found the hard way? ;)
2509 2011-05-06 23:31:22 <BlueMatt> lol, yep
2510 2011-05-06 23:31:40 <grbgout> xelister: not familiar.
2511 2011-05-06 23:31:50 <BlueMatt> they are never gonna live that one down
2512 2011-05-06 23:31:51 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
2513 2011-05-06 23:31:52 <ntosme2> are 5970s cheap anywhere?
2514 2011-05-06 23:31:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 18167711.6621 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 7 hours, 12 minutes, and 6 seconds
2515 2011-05-06 23:32:00 <luke-jr> Stellar: ^ maybe useful
2516 2011-05-06 23:32:30 <BlueMatt> grbgout: at one point debian made their "random" function in libssl return something like PID*constant or something
2517 2011-05-06 23:32:41 <Stellar> ya but need realtime/lag data...
2518 2011-05-06 23:32:56 <BlueMatt> hence the xkcd where int random = 3 //chosen from a fair dice roll, guaranteed to be random
2519 2011-05-06 23:33:05 <sipa> no, the xkcd was much earlier
2520 2011-05-06 23:33:12 <sipa> and it's 4
2521 2011-05-06 23:33:16 <ntosme2> has anyone bought from provantage.com?
2522 2011-05-06 23:33:21 <BlueMatt> really? I thought it referenced the debian bug in the hover?
2523 2011-05-06 23:33:48 <genjix> isn't it referencing the sony bug?
2524 2011-05-06 23:34:18 <BlueMatt> nvm, hover says something about rfc 1149.5
2525 2011-05-06 23:34:22 <BlueMatt> http://xkcd.com/221/
2526 2011-05-06 23:35:03 <grbgout> BlueMatt: lol, I see.
2527 2011-05-06 23:36:08 <xelister> ;;bc,mtgox
2528 2011-05-06 23:36:18 <Stellar> sony ftw ;)
2529 2011-05-06 23:36:20 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.61,"low":3.29,"vol":23405,"buy":3.452,"sell":3.47,"last":3.4692}}
2530 2011-05-06 23:36:20 <xelister> ddos'd?
2531 2011-05-06 23:37:03 <sipa> BlueMatt: the xkcd is from 9 feb 2007
2532 2011-05-06 23:37:41 <sipa> the debian ssl bug was discovered on 13 may 2008
2533 2011-05-06 23:38:09 <genjix> it's about sony http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/29/hackers-obtain-ps3-private-cryptography-key-due-to-epic-programm/
2534 2011-05-06 23:38:39 <BlueMatt> lol to be fair they werent THAT bad, only very, very close
2535 2011-05-06 23:39:52 <Stellar> protect the 'gate' and just put everything importants in plain variables
2536 2011-05-06 23:40:02 <BlueMatt> yep
2537 2011-05-06 23:42:41 <xelister> why we bitcoiners always say yep
2538 2011-05-06 23:43:07 <sipa> does it matter?
2539 2011-05-06 23:43:12 <Beremat> yep
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2543 2011-05-06 23:50:27 <LightRider> I think this is pretty cool http://www.raspberrypi.org/
2544 2011-05-06 23:50:37 <xelister> LightRider: indeed
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2546 2011-05-06 23:53:38 <BlueMatt> ok, https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/314b08d4b2379ec0f3801292591311f61af2037b
2547 2011-05-06 23:55:03 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: what is proper on such a commit, your name on it, or mine?
2548 2011-05-06 23:56:12 <JFK911> hmm
2549 2011-05-06 23:56:28 <JFK911> does it look like deepbit pays better in the flat rate per share model
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2551 2011-05-06 23:57:59 <JFK911> ntosme2: provantage is cool - if you call them they will haggle a little
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2553 2011-05-06 23:59:47 <ntosme2> JFK911: neat! I love companies that will do that.