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2 2011-05-09 00:00:36 <jgarzik> stufi: correct
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4 2011-05-09 00:01:15 <stufi> jgarzik: so by default pushpoold listen on 8336 for everyone using binary protocol, 8337 to everyone using http json and 8338 to localhost only using binary
5 2011-05-09 00:01:16 <stufi> jgarzik: right?
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7 2011-05-09 00:01:36 <jgarzik> stufi: there is no default. it is 100% defined by your config.
8 2011-05-09 00:02:12 <stufi> jgarzik: ok, my config is the one i pasted you so basically my config will isten on 8336 for everyone using binary protocol, 8337 to everyone using http json and 8338 to localhost only using binary right?
9 2011-05-09 00:02:24 <jgarzik> stufi: correct
10 2011-05-09 00:02:46 <stufi> jgarzik: my config is "port" : 8336, "port" : 8337, "protocol" : "http-json", "host" : "127.0.0.1", "port" : 8338, "protocol" : "binary" :)
11 2011-05-09 00:02:54 <stufi> jgarzik: the problem im having is that im running pushpoold at a virtual machine inside my windows box
12 2011-05-09 00:03:32 <stufi> jgarzik: im fowarding the 8337 port from the windows box to the virtual machine ip on port 8337
13 2011-05-09 00:04:02 <stufi> jgarzik: those miners work fine
14 2011-05-09 00:04:02 <stufi> jgarzik: im able to connect minerd and rpcminers-cpu to port 8337 using my public internet ip
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17 2011-05-09 00:04:32 <stufi> jgarzik: however diablominer and poclbm miners arent working at all, do you have idea why? i need to open any other port than 8337 ?
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26 2011-05-09 00:19:57 <molecular> 5K to get it to 4 USD/BTC ;)
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28 2011-05-09 00:20:41 <jrmithdobbs> ?
29 2011-05-09 00:21:08 <molecular> it takes an order of 5K to move mtgox usd/btc price to 4.00
30 2011-05-09 00:21:37 <molecular> which is not much considering 100K volume have gone thru mtgox on a single day ;)
31 2011-05-09 00:22:13 <jgarzik> stufi: dunno
32 2011-05-09 00:22:24 <molecular> put another way: if some maniac buys 5K btc on mtgox, the rate is 4 USD/BTC
33 2011-05-09 00:22:53 <jrmithdobbs> gotcha
34 2011-05-09 00:23:24 <[Tycho]> I once tried to buy $5k worth of BTC there :)
35 2011-05-09 00:23:33 <molecular> you did?
36 2011-05-09 00:23:38 <molecular> what happened?
37 2011-05-09 00:23:39 <[Tycho]> And it moved !
38 2011-05-09 00:23:53 <[Tycho]> All of it.
39 2011-05-09 00:24:05 <molecular> huh? this projection I made considers movement
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45 2011-05-09 00:32:46 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
46 2011-05-09 00:32:47 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122770 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 205 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 23 hours and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 155013.53051842
47 2011-05-09 00:32:55 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
48 2011-05-09 00:32:56 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.63,"vol":21288,"buy":3.8112,"sell":3.8799,"last":3.8112}}
49 2011-05-09 00:38:18 <ErryDayImGenerat> what kind of hash rate is really needed to make a positive in your average pool?
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51 2011-05-09 00:38:53 <jrmithdobbs> 1 billion
52 2011-05-09 00:39:05 <jrmithdobbs> (not much)
53 2011-05-09 00:40:07 <jrmithdobbs> are there really only ~4.5k nodes?
54 2011-05-09 00:40:22 <jrmithdobbs> I ask because "connections" : 305
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56 2011-05-09 00:45:16 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * ra7b9d9481cf3 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/ (plugin.py test.py): GPG: add eauth/eregister/everify commands, to do gpg auth via encrypted messages. http://tinyurl.com/3tobvox
57 2011-05-09 00:49:09 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, there are 4.5k nodes in the irc bootstrap channel
58 2011-05-09 00:49:18 <phantomcircuit> so there's probably another 50%
59 2011-05-09 00:50:06 <Diablo-D3> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2526089
60 2011-05-09 00:50:17 <Diablo-D3> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2526563
61 2011-05-09 00:50:20 <Diablo-D3> remember to mod those up, people
62 2011-05-09 00:50:35 <phantomcircuit> bah someone have a fixed ip node?
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64 2011-05-09 00:52:36 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes ?
65 2011-05-09 00:52:45 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: if this is your client, you should enable DNS seeding
66 2011-05-09 00:52:49 <phantomcircuit> i couldn't find that page
67 2011-05-09 00:52:55 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, dns seeding?
68 2011-05-09 00:53:36 <sipa> use -dnsseed
69 2011-05-09 00:53:51 <phantomcircuit> sipa, yeah not gonna work
70 2011-05-09 00:53:52 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: bitcoin has a hardcoded list of DNS hostnames. add (addr, 8333) to your P2P address list
71 2011-05-09 00:54:11 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: your client should do same :)
72 2011-05-09 00:54:15 <phantomcircuit> oh
73 2011-05-09 00:54:16 <phantomcircuit> ok then
74 2011-05-09 00:54:23 <gjs278> Diablo-D3 I can only upvote something if I find the story interesting and worth reading to others!!!
75 2011-05-09 00:54:34 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: its bitcoin!
76 2011-05-09 00:54:45 <gjs278> you're right
77 2011-05-09 00:54:50 <sipa> jgarzik: satoshi's paper doesn't discuss the block reward formula at all, it seems, only "Once a predetermined number of coins have entered
78 2011-05-09 00:54:53 <sipa> circulation, the incentive can transition entirely to transaction fees and be completely inflation
79 2011-05-09 00:54:54 <gjs278> every upvote increases the coin cost .0001 cents
80 2011-05-09 00:54:56 <sipa> free.
81 2011-05-09 00:54:58 <sipa> "
82 2011-05-09 00:55:03 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: right now the hardcoded list is quite small:
83 2011-05-09 00:55:03 <jgarzik> "bitseed.xf2.org",
84 2011-05-09 00:55:03 <jgarzik> "bitseed.bitcoin.org.uk",
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87 2011-05-09 00:57:26 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: DNS seeding should get things going faster than IRC, and doesn't have IRC's overloading problems. Downside is that we have so few seed nodes right now.
88 2011-05-09 00:57:50 <jgarzik> tough to find volunteers with stable IP and stable server, who are trustworthy (hint hint anyone listening)
89 2011-05-09 00:58:44 <forrestv> me?
90 2011-05-09 00:59:09 <luke-jr> jgarzik: mine should already be on there
91 2011-05-09 00:59:16 <Cusipzzz> jgarzik: i added one of mine to the list, not sure what else was supposed to do.
92 2011-05-09 01:00:42 <Sedra> Hey guys, I am a totally new with this stuff and I have been mining using bitcoin.cz and paying out to mybitcoin.com. I have never used the 'official' client and I am very worried that I may be doing this totally wrong and somehow loose these coins at some point. Am I supposed to be using the official client to manage my payments only? Or should I just stick with using mybitcoin.com?
93 2011-05-09 01:01:08 <sipa> Sedra: if you trust mybitcoin.com, there is no reason to run the client yourself
94 2011-05-09 01:01:55 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, well i could setup a server that only did bootstrap
95 2011-05-09 01:01:59 <Sedra> I see
96 2011-05-09 01:02:22 <phantomcircuit> also ipv4 mapper ipv6 doesn't work with socket.getaddrinfo in python
97 2011-05-09 01:02:23 <phantomcircuit> :(
98 2011-05-09 01:03:05 <gjs278> they already gave me all of the ipv6 addresses
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100 2011-05-09 01:06:10 <phantomcircuit> also
101 2011-05-09 01:06:21 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, you can add my ipv6 address to the dns seeds
102 2011-05-09 01:06:40 <phantomcircuit> my python client supports ipv6 fully i've been running two of them on my lan that communicate over ipv6
103 2011-05-09 01:07:32 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
104 2011-05-09 01:07:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122778 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 197 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 59 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 155272.10954706
105 2011-05-09 01:07:55 <gruez> 21 hours...
106 2011-05-09 01:08:08 <gruez> 50% increase
107 2011-05-09 01:08:47 <JFK911> yup.
108 2011-05-09 01:08:50 <JFK911> doom
109 2011-05-09 01:08:55 <JFK911> end of your mining rewards
110 2011-05-09 01:09:29 <theorbtwo> OTOH, if that's true, then the miners will stop mining, and the difficulty will go back down.
111 2011-05-09 01:09:32 <JFK911> when the bubble pops, the whole network will gen one block per day, and we'll be stuck with slow transactions for years
112 2011-05-09 01:12:15 <jrabbit> JFK911: the difficulty can go down...
113 2011-05-09 01:12:38 <phantomcircuit> he's assuming a complete and systemic collapse
114 2011-05-09 01:12:48 <jrmithdobbs> jrabbit: but the txns will be slow as hell until it does
115 2011-05-09 01:12:48 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit / luke-jr / Cusipzzz: not talking about fallback nodes, but a dedicated DNS server that rotates through known-fresh addresses found on P2P network
116 2011-05-09 01:12:50 <phantomcircuit> more likely ArtFort would become a huge % of the network overnight
117 2011-05-09 01:12:53 <molecular> JFK911, no
118 2011-05-09 01:12:59 <JFK911> yeah, but if bitcoins tumble back to 50 cents, and most people stop mining when the difficulty is 150k
119 2011-05-09 01:13:02 <JFK911> yeah...
120 2011-05-09 01:13:06 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, that would be pretty easy actually
121 2011-05-09 01:13:07 <jgarzik> DNS seeding returns many DNS records, for each query
122 2011-05-09 01:13:15 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, basically a legit fast flux network :P
123 2011-05-09 01:13:16 <jgarzik> and nodes should get a fresh list
124 2011-05-09 01:13:20 <jgarzik> not static nodes
125 2011-05-09 01:13:34 <jgarzik> I would actually prefer if DNS seeds did -not- return fallback nodes
126 2011-05-09 01:13:35 <JFK911> it does take time for the difficulty to reset and that's where decimation of the network will hurt it
127 2011-05-09 01:13:42 <jgarzik> but fallback nodes are what we have, at the present
128 2011-05-09 01:14:05 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: but how fresh do you want to keep it?
129 2011-05-09 01:14:16 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: very
130 2011-05-09 01:14:21 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: that can get cumbersome because of dns semantics
131 2011-05-09 01:15:07 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: DNS seeds do not make repeated queries. It's OK to set TTL to 9000, then return absolute freshest A records from bitcoin P2P address list.
132 2011-05-09 01:15:40 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: DNS seeding is just for bootstrapping, like IRC seeding. Primary method of address gathering is peer exchange with directly connected P2P nodes.
133 2011-05-09 01:15:42 <luke-jr> jgarzik: DNS relays do
134 2011-05-09 01:15:48 <luke-jr> or rather, they cache results
135 2011-05-09 01:15:51 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: except that if you hand out a huge ttl and it gets cached by comcast (who does overagressive caching) you can end up with dead nodes in dns for a long time
136 2011-05-09 01:15:53 <jgarzik> luke-jr: which is just fine
137 2011-05-09 01:16:04 <luke-jr> jgarzik: not if all the addresses are invalid in 9000 seconds
138 2011-05-09 01:16:13 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, you hand out a tiny ttl like 30 seconds
139 2011-05-09 01:16:22 <jgarzik> luke-jr: highly unlikely. I certainly don't see that in testing.
140 2011-05-09 01:16:24 <luke-jr> jgarzik: no reason not to use a 10 second TTL for this IMO
141 2011-05-09 01:16:37 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: and now you're incrementing soa when? every join on the irc bootstrap channel?
142 2011-05-09 01:16:38 <jgarzik> < 30 TTL gets ignored by some
143 2011-05-09 01:16:43 <luke-jr> 30 then
144 2011-05-09 01:16:45 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: see what i'm getting at
145 2011-05-09 01:16:46 <luke-jr> or 60
146 2011-05-09 01:16:48 <luke-jr> DDNS use 60
147 2011-05-09 01:16:59 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, you change the record everytime your ns gets a request
148 2011-05-09 01:17:07 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: DNS seeding is totally unrelated to IRC, as already mentioned
149 2011-05-09 01:17:08 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, it's basically a modified fast flux network
150 2011-05-09 01:17:39 <JFK911> why cant the block chain be stored in dns
151 2011-05-09 01:17:41 <jrmithdobbs> so you're going to cycle all the way through the soa every 32k requests which can easily happen in a day
152 2011-05-09 01:17:45 <jrmithdobbs> which is going to fuck up caching
153 2011-05-09 01:18:09 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: no need to change serial
154 2011-05-09 01:18:18 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: that's only used for mirrors, not caching
155 2011-05-09 01:18:25 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, lol are you serious?
156 2011-05-09 01:18:37 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: um, wrong?
157 2011-05-09 01:18:40 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, caching will be 1000% fucked
158 2011-05-09 01:18:46 <JFK911> phantomcircuit: well im not sure how large a block is, but why not?
159 2011-05-09 01:18:49 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, or we could use random subdomains...
160 2011-05-09 01:19:03 <jrmithdobbs> i was just saying it's not as easy a problem as it was being presented as
161 2011-05-09 01:19:05 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, currently the block chain is ~300MB
162 2011-05-09 01:19:14 <JFK911> i mean why couldnt we simply make ns lookups for blocknumber.blocks.bitcoin.org
163 2011-05-09 01:19:18 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, it's actually a fairly easy problem
164 2011-05-09 01:19:23 <JFK911> TTL could be weeks
165 2011-05-09 01:19:28 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, you want to move 300MB through dns?
166 2011-05-09 01:19:30 <JFK911> and it may be cached
167 2011-05-09 01:19:30 <phantomcircuit> lol good luck
168 2011-05-09 01:19:32 <JFK911> not at once
169 2011-05-09 01:19:34 <JFK911> one block at a time
170 2011-05-09 01:19:45 <JFK911> isp's servers can cache for us
171 2011-05-09 01:19:52 <JFK911> until they realize what's going on and disable it
172 2011-05-09 01:19:54 <phantomcircuit> there's dns record limits
173 2011-05-09 01:19:59 <phantomcircuit> you'd hit them so fast
174 2011-05-09 01:20:08 <JFK911> so how large can they be? i've seen quite large TXT
175 2011-05-09 01:20:11 <jrmithdobbs> and as soon as major isps noticed you'd just get blacklisted
176 2011-05-09 01:20:14 <jrmithdobbs> tbqh
177 2011-05-09 01:20:27 <phantomcircuit> yeah
178 2011-05-09 01:20:32 <jrmithdobbs> i know i would.
179 2011-05-09 01:20:34 <JFK911> you can't blacklist anything the root server points at. that breaks dns
180 2011-05-09 01:20:54 <gjs278> the list is pointless, just cycle through every ip starting at 1.1.1.1
181 2011-05-09 01:20:56 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, the caching servers would blacklist your ns
182 2011-05-09 01:21:15 <jrmithdobbs> JFK911: which renders you unresolvable by 99.9999% of the population
183 2011-05-09 01:21:33 <JFK911> jrmithdobbs: do you run an isp or service provider?
184 2011-05-09 01:21:37 <gjs278> I run gigs through dns
185 2011-05-09 01:21:41 <gjs278> you guys are just noobs
186 2011-05-09 01:21:47 <JFK911> i like gjs278 attitude
187 2011-05-09 01:21:52 <jrmithdobbs> JFK911: in the past yes, that work sucks
188 2011-05-09 01:21:57 <jrmithdobbs> soul sucking
189 2011-05-09 01:22:09 <gjs278> I hit my 250gb cap on dns alone one month no big deal
190 2011-05-09 01:22:12 <JFK911> and wont be buying any services from jrmithdobbsisp.com
191 2011-05-09 01:22:20 <jrmithdobbs> JFK911: fine by me
192 2011-05-09 01:22:28 <gjs278> I just tried that domain
193 2011-05-09 01:22:29 <gjs278> and wasted
194 2011-05-09 01:22:31 <gjs278> fucking
195 2011-05-09 01:22:33 <gjs278> 4kb of dns lookup
196 2011-05-09 01:22:37 <jrmithdobbs> JFK911: don't buy from comcast, att, etc because they've all demonstrated willingness to do this in the past.
197 2011-05-09 01:22:37 <JFK911> you won't have any other customers either, so, sweet
198 2011-05-09 01:22:41 <gjs278> I'm going to get banned
199 2011-05-09 01:23:04 <JFK911> why are you ripping on comcast if they do "what you'd do"
200 2011-05-09 01:23:13 <JFK911> sounds like you should join them!
201 2011-05-09 01:23:13 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: the spec says serial is for use by secondaries (mirrors), and that caches use TTL
202 2011-05-09 01:23:37 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: it does, but in the real world it doesn't always
203 2011-05-09 01:23:47 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: isps abuse the fuck out of dns caching
204 2011-05-09 01:23:50 <JFK911> here is why i like bitcoin
205 2011-05-09 01:24:01 <JFK911> rules are rules and NOTHING WORKS if everyone doesnt agree about the rules
206 2011-05-09 01:24:03 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: then just update serial like djbdns's timestamp-to-serial way
207 2011-05-09 01:24:26 <JFK911> someone like jrmithdobbs can't come in and say "i'm not going to fullfull this part of what everyone expects"
208 2011-05-09 01:24:48 <luke-jr> gjs278: T-Mobile blocks dashjr.org cuz of my IP-over-DNS server
209 2011-05-09 01:24:49 <jrmithdobbs> sorry to break your alternate reality bubble JFK911
210 2011-05-09 01:25:21 <gjs278> they block emails sent to through the t-mobile service?
211 2011-05-09 01:25:25 <gjs278> or they outright ban the entire ip
212 2011-05-09 01:26:05 <JFK911> luke-jr: that is rude. f t-mo
213 2011-05-09 01:26:21 <JFK911> unless dns encapsulation is a way around a bandwidth meter
214 2011-05-09 01:26:28 <JFK911> in that case i think they should fix the meter
215 2011-05-09 01:26:31 <jrmithdobbs> it is
216 2011-05-09 01:27:12 <JFK911> now, does it work this way because you went to petition.com and declared TMOBILE SUX FOR MAKING US PAY FOR DNS BANDWIDTH
217 2011-05-09 01:27:37 <luke-jr> gjs278: they block resolving domains at dashjr.org
218 2011-05-09 01:28:06 <JFK911> because you seem to be the kind of guy who knows whats best for everyone, after analysis of only your needs and expectations
219 2011-05-09 01:28:08 <luke-jr> JFK911: it was a way around no-data-service ;)
220 2011-05-09 01:28:15 <JFK911> luke-jr: OHHHH :D :D :D
221 2011-05-09 01:28:51 <luke-jr> JFK911: but that was their fault too, they deactivated my SIM card and made me buy a new one
222 2011-05-09 01:29:11 <luke-jr> someone screwed up on their end, and they couldn't reverse it
223 2011-05-09 01:29:12 <JFK911> i wonder why an account with no data service provisioned is allowed to make a data connection in the first place?
224 2011-05-09 01:29:18 <JFK911> it should only be able to make voice calls
225 2011-05-09 01:29:26 <JFK911> they are distinctly different in each air interface
226 2011-05-09 01:29:31 <luke-jr> JFK911: it didn't have any service :P
227 2011-05-09 01:29:38 <JFK911> nice
228 2011-05-09 01:30:07 <luke-jr> and they broke it again, but this time I was signed up for the IPv6 beta
229 2011-05-09 01:30:13 <luke-jr> so now IPv6 still works
230 2011-05-09 01:30:18 <luke-jr> I just SSH tunnel everything IPv4
231 2011-05-09 01:30:33 <phantomcircuit> bah my sqlite3 db slows down a lot the larger it gets
232 2011-05-09 01:31:05 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: vacuum lately?
233 2011-05-09 01:31:08 <gjs278> put it in /tmp
234 2011-05-09 01:31:08 <JFK911> don't expect it to tell you why
235 2011-05-09 01:31:13 <gjs278> put /tmp in a ramdisk
236 2011-05-09 01:31:14 <gjs278> there you go
237 2011-05-09 01:31:18 <gjs278> no more disk time
238 2011-05-09 01:32:36 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: that tends to apply universally to software (and cats)
239 2011-05-09 01:33:11 <jgarzik> even O(1) algorithms magically take longer when you apply them to, say, 1 billion items
240 2011-05-09 01:34:39 <gjs278> just do
241 2011-05-09 01:34:48 <gjs278> O(1 * 0)
242 2011-05-09 01:34:58 <JFK911> perfect
243 2011-05-09 01:35:14 <jgarzik> Scott's Law: multiple both sides by zero, to make anything a true statement
244 2011-05-09 01:35:18 <CIA-30> bitcoin: phantomcircuit * ra0819effebf7 bitcoin-alt/ (bitcoin.py bitcoin/peer.py): removed references to sqlalchemy http://tinyurl.com/3lzt3qm
245 2011-05-09 01:35:22 <jgarzik> multiply
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247 2011-05-09 01:35:56 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, no i had not, lets see if that helps
248 2011-05-09 01:36:10 <phantomcircuit> oops forgot i have to wait for a block to be generated
249 2011-05-09 01:36:16 <phantomcircuit> MINE FASTER
250 2011-05-09 01:36:47 <gjs278> add more indexes
251 2011-05-09 01:36:49 <gjs278> index your index
252 2011-05-09 01:36:56 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, index my indexes?!
253 2011-05-09 01:36:59 <phantomcircuit> CAN DO
254 2011-05-09 01:36:59 <gjs278> yeah
255 2011-05-09 01:37:17 <gjs278> figure every possible scenario where you will be pulling data ever. index that combo
256 2011-05-09 01:37:45 <phantomcircuit> this is insert performance
257 2011-05-09 01:37:52 <gjs278> put it in a ramdisk
258 2011-05-09 01:37:59 <phantomcircuit> and the uniqueness constraints are obviously indexed
259 2011-05-09 01:38:01 <gjs278> sync it back every half hour
260 2011-05-09 01:38:06 <gjs278> then overclock your ram
261 2011-05-09 01:38:10 <gjs278> and then overclock your processor
262 2011-05-09 01:38:42 <phantomcircuit> :|
263 2011-05-09 01:38:52 <phantomcircuit> i could do pragma synchronous=off
264 2011-05-09 01:38:54 <gjs278> it will help
265 2011-05-09 01:38:55 <phantomcircuit> but that's cheating
266 2011-05-09 01:39:00 <gjs278> what filesystem is it on
267 2011-05-09 01:39:05 <gjs278> put it on an xfs filesystem
268 2011-05-09 01:39:07 <gjs278> just don't crash
269 2011-05-09 01:39:22 <phantomcircuit> ext4 i think
270 2011-05-09 01:39:39 <gjs278> I run my / as xfs I just lose my bash_history sometimes if I crash at a bad time
271 2011-05-09 01:39:43 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, vacuum helped
272 2011-05-09 01:39:47 <gjs278> all crashes are due to graphics cards
273 2011-05-09 01:39:49 <phantomcircuit> roughly 4x improvement
274 2011-05-09 01:40:03 <gjs278> put it on a ramdisk and just see what happens
275 2011-05-09 01:40:11 <gjs278> I don't know if it will actually help at all
276 2011-05-09 01:40:19 <gjs278> but I strongly believe it would
277 2011-05-09 01:40:28 <phantomcircuit> it does
278 2011-05-09 01:40:39 <phantomcircuit> same thing as setting pragma synchronous=off
279 2011-05-09 01:40:45 <phantomcircuit> but really what's the point of that?
280 2011-05-09 01:40:57 <gjs278> PRAGMA auto_vacuum = 0 | NONE | 1 | FULL | 2 | INCREMENTAL;
281 2011-05-09 01:41:05 <gjs278> the point is to be pew pew lazer fast
282 2011-05-09 01:41:45 <phantomcircuit> yes but you give up stability
283 2011-05-09 01:41:58 <gjs278> the only stability loss is if you crashed before it wrote something
284 2011-05-09 01:42:01 <gjs278> can this thing catch up
285 2011-05-09 01:42:50 <phantomcircuit> catch up?
286 2011-05-09 01:45:39 <gjs278> like if it went offline for 20 minutes
287 2011-05-09 01:45:44 <gjs278> would it know where to pickup from
288 2011-05-09 01:45:48 <gjs278> and continue as usual
289 2011-05-09 01:45:54 <gjs278> or does it have to be online at all times
290 2011-05-09 01:46:02 <phantomcircuit> yeah it would
291 2011-05-09 01:46:27 <gjs278> then who cares about stability
292 2011-05-09 01:46:29 <phantomcircuit> the block download algorithm is completely independent of the last state
293 2011-05-09 01:46:32 <gjs278> if you crash it picks back up
294 2011-05-09 01:46:54 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, you could lose transactions which you sent or which where sent to you but which have not made it into a block yet
295 2011-05-09 01:47:06 <gjs278> is it a client
296 2011-05-09 01:47:17 <BitMark> ;;guide eauth
297 2011-05-09 01:47:18 <gribble> Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
298 2011-05-09 01:47:21 <gjs278> also how slow is it getting
299 2011-05-09 01:47:23 <BitMark> ;;guide
300 2011-05-09 01:47:25 <gribble> Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
301 2011-05-09 01:47:41 <BitMark> ;;eauth
302 2011-05-09 01:47:41 <gribble> (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
303 2011-05-09 01:47:43 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, 8+ seconds to insert 500 blocks
304 2011-05-09 01:47:47 <gjs278> wow
305 2011-05-09 01:48:20 <gjs278> say I have to catchup a weeks worth. how many blocks would that be
306 2011-05-09 01:48:42 <phantomcircuit> ~1k
307 2011-05-09 01:49:04 <phantomcircuit> 16 whole seconds man
308 2011-05-09 01:49:07 <gjs278> yeah
309 2011-05-09 01:49:11 <gjs278> fuck waiting for that
310 2011-05-09 01:49:15 <phantomcircuit> the real issue is the initial block download
311 2011-05-09 01:49:43 <gjs278> just distribute it with an initial block download
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313 2011-05-09 01:50:06 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,mtgox
314 2011-05-09 01:50:06 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.63,"vol":21396,"buy":3.8001,"sell":3.8598,"last":3.8}}
315 2011-05-09 01:50:17 <gjs278> at $4 I sell
316 2011-05-09 01:50:38 <lfm> gjs put it in now
317 2011-05-09 01:50:49 <gjs278> why
318 2011-05-09 01:51:03 <lfm> you might miss it
319 2011-05-09 01:51:33 <lfm> put you ask in at $4\
320 2011-05-09 01:51:56 <gjs278> how does that work though, do I have to send in the coins now
321 2011-05-09 01:52:17 <lfm> you need them in yourt mtgox account ya
322 2011-05-09 01:52:51 <gjs278> I actually dont have one yet
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325 2011-05-09 01:53:23 <gjs278> do people prefer buying bitcoins or MTUSD
326 2011-05-09 01:53:36 <gjs278> I'm assuming mtusd is what you get when it finally hits $4
327 2011-05-09 01:53:57 <lfm> huh? you really dont understand at all do ya
328 2011-05-09 01:54:13 <gjs278> no
329 2011-05-09 01:54:16 <gjs278> I have no idea
330 2011-05-09 01:54:31 <gjs278> lets say I put in a bid for $4, I send the coins now
331 2011-05-09 01:54:40 <gjs278> eventually the coins hit $4 and I get the money in my account
332 2011-05-09 01:54:48 <gjs278> how do I get that money
333 2011-05-09 01:54:53 <gjs278> do I have to go through LR
334 2011-05-09 01:55:03 <gjs278> or can I sell the money on my mtgox account to someone else with an mtgox account
335 2011-05-09 01:55:09 <gjs278> for real money
336 2011-05-09 01:55:16 <Blitzboom> "real money"
337 2011-05-09 01:55:19 <Blitzboom> real paper money
338 2011-05-09 01:55:23 <gjs278> yes
339 2011-05-09 01:55:42 <Cusipzzz> real money as in gold ?
340 2011-05-09 01:55:44 <lfm> btc are real money. if thats all you want then do nothing
341 2011-05-09 01:56:08 <gjs278> us dollars
342 2011-05-09 01:56:12 <gjs278> if I ever have to explain that again
343 2011-05-09 01:56:15 <Cusipzzz> or the little green pieces of paper going down in value for years
344 2011-05-09 01:56:15 <gjs278> I will hunt each of you down
345 2011-05-09 01:56:26 <Cusipzzz> lol
346 2011-05-09 01:56:30 <Blitzboom> paper money isnât real money
347 2011-05-09 01:56:35 <gjs278> ok
348 2011-05-09 01:56:40 <gjs278> then I just want to trade this mtgox money
349 2011-05-09 01:56:41 <gjs278> into money
350 2011-05-09 01:56:43 <gjs278> that I can use
351 2011-05-09 01:56:46 <gjs278> to buy slurpies
352 2011-05-09 01:56:48 <gjs278> at 7/11
353 2011-05-09 01:56:49 <gjs278> in america
354 2011-05-09 01:56:51 <[Noodles]> yes, you can send your mtgox$ to other mtgox members, it's up to you what to charge for it, may it be real money, or carrots
355 2011-05-09 01:56:51 <gjs278> is that specific enough
356 2011-05-09 01:57:07 <gjs278> cool
357 2011-05-09 01:57:13 <Blitzboom> no, please use the term "federal reserve monopoly paper" :D
358 2011-05-09 01:57:13 <Cusipzzz> or alpaca socks
359 2011-05-09 01:57:18 <lfm> or there are bunches of LR exchangers will trade LR for US$
360 2011-05-09 01:57:21 <[Noodles]> no need to go through LR if you dont want to, just 'sell' mtgox$ to someone
361 2011-05-09 01:57:28 <gjs278> yeah that's my goal then
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368 2011-05-09 02:05:40 <da2ce7> hey genjix :)
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371 2011-05-09 02:14:21 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
372 2011-05-09 02:14:22 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.63,"vol":21666,"buy":3.7351,"sell":3.8027,"last":3.7303}}
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375 2011-05-09 02:16:45 <JFK911> bubbles bursting
376 2011-05-09 02:16:45 <doublec> gjs278: are you selling mtgox $?
377 2011-05-09 02:16:50 <gjs278> not yet
378 2011-05-09 02:16:51 <gjs278> yeah it is
379 2011-05-09 02:16:57 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
380 2011-05-09 02:16:57 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.63,"vol":21906,"buy":3.7052,"sell":3.8,"last":3.7052}}
381 2011-05-09 02:17:01 <gjs278> kaboom
382 2011-05-09 02:17:05 <gjs278> 3 cents in 3 minutes
383 2011-05-09 02:17:32 <gjs278> that guy who bought 200k coins at $2 each is finally cashing out
384 2011-05-09 02:17:35 <jaybny> its a .10 spread
385 2011-05-09 02:17:52 <gjs278> bubble is bursted
386 2011-05-09 02:17:58 <gjs278> dump your coins people
387 2011-05-09 02:18:00 <JFK911> doom
388 2011-05-09 02:18:00 <Cusipzzz> bubble has been bursting since 1.40 or so...congrats
389 2011-05-09 02:18:14 <gjs278> bubble bursted at parity
390 2011-05-09 02:18:14 <jaybny> gjs278 u joking?
391 2011-05-09 02:18:24 <JFK911> pump-and-dumper detected in the vicinity of Cusipzzz! alert!
392 2011-05-09 02:18:44 <gjs278> two minutes have gone by, time for another check
393 2011-05-09 02:18:50 <gjs278> if it's at 3.68 I am a prophet
394 2011-05-09 02:18:52 <JFK911> hold on
395 2011-05-09 02:18:57 <JFK911> someone bought a half million $ of btc?!
396 2011-05-09 02:18:59 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
397 2011-05-09 02:18:59 <JFK911> what?!
398 2011-05-09 02:19:00 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.63,"vol":21910,"buy":3.7001,"sell":3.7999,"last":3.7052}}
399 2011-05-09 02:19:07 <gjs278> where
400 2011-05-09 02:19:11 <lulzplzkthx> someone lend me 2 btc so i can buy a $25 gift card for 2 btc XD
401 2011-05-09 02:19:22 <TheKid> lulzplzkthx: you'd get scammed
402 2011-05-09 02:19:27 <TheKid> cause there's no way that card is legit
403 2011-05-09 02:19:28 <lulzplzkthx> TheKid: Not with ClearCoin.
404 2011-05-09 02:19:30 <Cusipzzz> lol
405 2011-05-09 02:19:47 <lulzplzkthx> TheKid: I have a feeling it's not legit, but still. xD
406 2011-05-09 02:20:01 <gjs278> the card definitely says $25
407 2011-05-09 02:20:04 <gjs278> it's just drained
408 2011-05-09 02:20:13 <lulzplzkthx> haha
409 2011-05-09 02:20:21 <lulzplzkthx> check it online at its balance checker
410 2011-05-09 02:20:25 <lulzplzkthx> easy and quick
411 2011-05-09 02:20:32 <gjs278> JFK911 where is this 500k transaction I want to look at it in amazement
412 2011-05-09 02:20:41 <gjs278> and then thank the guy for helping inflate my coins
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414 2011-05-09 02:21:12 <lulzplzkthx> what?
415 2011-05-09 02:21:14 <gjs278> unless you're talking about 200k at $2 guy in which case pretty much everyone believes he was lying
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417 2011-05-09 02:21:40 <Cusipzzz> why would someone on an internet forum lie???
418 2011-05-09 02:21:46 <gjs278> 3 minutes have gone by, time for another check
419 2011-05-09 02:21:49 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
420 2011-05-09 02:21:50 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.63,"vol":21990,"buy":3.705,"sell":3.8,"last":3.8}}
421 2011-05-09 02:21:54 <lulzplzkthx> lol nobody lies on the internet
422 2011-05-09 02:21:56 <lulzplzkthx> are you kidding?
423 2011-05-09 02:21:59 <Cusipzzz> lold
424 2011-05-09 02:22:00 <gjs278> the ship is bobbing back up
425 2011-05-09 02:22:03 <JFK911> gjs278: 06:12 < gjs278> that guy who bought 200k coins at $2 each is finally cashing out
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427 2011-05-09 02:22:08 <gjs278> yeah he lies
428 2011-05-09 02:22:13 <gjs278> this was when coins were like 60 cents
429 2011-05-09 02:22:13 <JFK911> 200k x 2 is roughly half a mm
430 2011-05-09 02:23:14 <gjs278> time to try and watch a movie without ati drivers crashing
431 2011-05-09 02:25:25 <JFK911> working in the 'doze
432 2011-05-09 02:25:33 <JFK911> slows down mining rate tho
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440 2011-05-09 02:43:54 <asker1> hey, is there any way to see other people's bitcoin balances?
441 2011-05-09 02:44:26 <luke-jr> no, just address balances
442 2011-05-09 02:44:57 <asker1> so you can look up address balances?
443 2011-05-09 02:45:12 <AAA_awright> Kinda
444 2011-05-09 02:45:39 <gjs278> you would have to know all of their addresses
445 2011-05-09 02:49:10 <asker1> I take it there's no limit to the number of addresses
446 2011-05-09 02:51:16 <luke-jr> nope
447 2011-05-09 02:51:22 <luke-jr> usually each transaction has its own address
448 2011-05-09 02:52:03 <TheKid> the limit is the maximum allowable addresses, roughly 2^160
449 2011-05-09 02:52:07 <TheKid> IIRC
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463 2011-05-09 03:18:05 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if my 5850 will come tommorow
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471 2011-05-09 03:23:40 <jaybny> ;;bc,mtgox
472 2011-05-09 03:23:41 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.63,"vol":21367,"buy":3.7402,"sell":3.7899,"last":3.7401}}
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474 2011-05-09 03:24:35 <aaron42> hi, i'm having trouble getting phoenix to run
475 2011-05-09 03:24:48 <aaron42> if i strip the args down to "phoenix.py -u http://XXX:XXX@www.bitcoinpool.com:8334/ -k poclbm DEVICE=0" it "works"
476 2011-05-09 03:24:56 <aaron42> in the sense of not crashing for other reasons
477 2011-05-09 03:25:21 <aaron42> but then i just get "Failed to connect, retrying..." endlessly
478 2011-05-09 03:25:32 <gjs278> try a differen tpool
479 2011-05-09 03:25:34 <aaron42> for reference, "poclbm-mod.py --user=XXX --pass=XXX -d 0 -w 128" works fine on the same box
480 2011-05-09 03:25:54 <aaron42> and bitcoinpool is poclbm-mod's default pool
481 2011-05-09 03:27:37 <aaron42> any suggestions which pool to try?
482 2011-05-09 03:27:41 programme has joined
483 2011-05-09 03:28:39 <programme> jgarzik: so i tested pushpoold using rpcminer-cpu and rpcminer-opencl and it worked however using diablominer it works very slow
484 2011-05-09 03:29:16 <jgarzik> Kiba: you gonna move my xf2.org dedicated server thread?
485 2011-05-09 03:29:31 <jgarzik> Kiba: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5632.0
486 2011-05-09 03:29:59 <programme> [Tycho]: so you are the owner of deepbit.net ?
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488 2011-05-09 03:31:06 <gjs278> he is
489 2011-05-09 03:31:41 <programme> jgarzik: if i buy you a pushpoold server setup it will work as fast as deepbit?
490 2011-05-09 03:32:10 <programme> jgarzik: i mean diablominer clients and poclbm clients will be able to connect to the pushpoold and mine as fast as they do on deepbit?
491 2011-05-09 03:32:16 <jgarzik> programme: yes
492 2011-05-09 03:32:43 <programme> jgarzik: i have the server ready, however i need assistance technical support to get it working, how much does that support costs?
493 2011-05-09 03:32:44 <luke-jr> programme: I can vouch for pushpool's performance
494 2011-05-09 03:32:47 <lolcat> Would a Forex-like trading site for bitcoins work?
495 2011-05-09 03:33:03 <lolcat> Like where you can borrow 400x of what you have to invest in bitcoins?
496 2011-05-09 03:33:21 <programme> luke-jr: which pool do you run?
497 2011-05-09 03:33:30 <luke-jr> programme: Eligius
498 2011-05-09 03:33:38 <aaron42> wow, i'm a total retard
499 2011-05-09 03:33:47 <aaron42> i was misspelling my own goddamn username
500 2011-05-09 03:33:47 <Cusipzzz> lolcat: sure, someone would just need to enforce margin limits and auto-close out positions that hit them
501 2011-05-09 03:33:48 <jgarzik> programme: oh, I thought you were talking about https://xf2.org/services/ I don't support other pool servers.
502 2011-05-09 03:33:51 <aaron42> never even saw it
503 2011-05-09 03:34:04 <luke-jr> aaron42: try Eligius :P
504 2011-05-09 03:34:11 <aaron42> ok, now back to why the go-faster args aren't working....
505 2011-05-09 03:34:32 <lolcat> Cusipzzz: Does bitcoin have enough liquidity?
506 2011-05-09 03:34:39 <programme> jgarzik: https://xf2.org/services/ using that one ill have a shell account to control everything?
507 2011-05-09 03:34:54 <luke-jr> aaron42: also, (normal) poclbm is better than phoenix and -mod
508 2011-05-09 03:35:06 <lolcat> I mean, if I where to loan someone $400 000 to buy bitcoins, would I be able to sell them at the same rate I bougth them for?
509 2011-05-09 03:35:15 <jgarzik> programme: no shell account. you set pool rules, payout rules, and xf2.org provides all server hosting and management.
510 2011-05-09 03:35:25 <jgarzik> provides stats web pages
511 2011-05-09 03:35:39 <luke-jr> jgarzik: not even if he gets a dedi?
512 2011-05-09 03:35:46 <Cusipzzz> lolcat: nope, it's hard to say. but the actual trading, once someone has bitcoins, e.g. stopping them out at margin limit, can be done
513 2011-05-09 03:35:47 <BitMark> lolcat: no guarantees
514 2011-05-09 03:36:05 <jgarzik> luke-jr: nope, the dedicated servers are unmanaged
515 2011-05-09 03:36:08 <lolcat> But etoro.com does this with real currency...
516 2011-05-09 03:36:23 <jgarzik> luke-jr: or, you can choose my ddos-resistant pool of US+EU servers
517 2011-05-09 03:36:24 <lolcat> I guess they stand a risk of not being able to sell before they loose, no?
518 2011-05-09 03:36:24 <Cusipzzz> lots of places do it with real currency.. just need someone to build the system
519 2011-05-09 03:36:32 <aaron42> it segfaults if i use VECTORS
520 2011-05-09 03:36:38 <aaron42> (but so does poclbm-mod)
521 2011-05-09 03:36:48 <luke-jr> jgarzik: IMO you should offer a middle-ground of some form
522 2011-05-09 03:37:05 <lolcat> Because if people where allowed to invest in bitcoins, purley based on loans, then they could push the price WAY up.
523 2011-05-09 03:37:06 <luke-jr> aaron42: odd
524 2011-05-09 03:37:27 <BitMark> lolcat: tell me an example of a real currency
525 2011-05-09 03:37:37 <jgarzik> luke-jr: suggestions? basically what people are looking for is raw consulting, and I don't have much time or interest to debug and build individual pools
526 2011-05-09 03:37:39 <programme> how i can pm someone here? which command?
527 2011-05-09 03:37:42 <programme> im using freenode chat
528 2011-05-09 03:37:44 <programme> webchat
529 2011-05-09 03:37:49 <lolcat> BitMark: USD/EUR, the reason I define it as real is you can buy everything you need for it
530 2011-05-09 03:37:53 <jgarzik> programme: /msg NICKNAME blah blah blah
531 2011-05-09 03:37:55 <BitMark> type /query <username>
532 2011-05-09 03:38:03 <luke-jr> jgarzik: maybe a shell account with webfiles and MySQL access or such
533 2011-05-09 03:38:20 <aaron42> also i have to delete any .elf cache files before i can launch at all
534 2011-05-09 03:38:29 <aaron42> otherwise i get "failed to compile kernel"
535 2011-05-09 03:38:32 <jgarzik> luke-jr: Well... Also, I don't like giving out shell accounts in general :)
536 2011-05-09 03:38:37 <jgarzik> too much headache
537 2011-05-09 03:38:41 <BitMark> lolcat: is there any guarantee that $5 today will be worth the same a month from now?
538 2011-05-09 03:38:43 <jgarzik> long-time lesson learned.
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542 2011-05-09 03:39:46 <aaron42> money is by definition a bubble
543 2011-05-09 03:39:55 <Akiron> lolcat: bitcoin is not nearly liquid enough to handle $400,000
544 2011-05-09 03:40:11 <aaron42> whichever bubble is most liquid and hasn't popped yet is the money :)
545 2011-05-09 03:40:14 <Akiron> yesterday $40k sent the market up $.20
546 2011-05-09 03:40:38 <aaron42> people are trying to set up darkpools, algo trading, all the usual wall street shenanigans
547 2011-05-09 03:40:43 <BitMark> Akiron: yes it is
548 2011-05-09 03:40:55 <aaron42> but it'll be a while before you can move 400k w/o moving the price drastically against you
549 2011-05-09 03:41:03 <aaron42> the same thing happens with the stock market--
550 2011-05-09 03:41:17 <BitMark> the same thing happens with every market
551 2011-05-09 03:41:33 <aaron42> if you own 10 million shares of microsoft, it's incredibly hard to sell them all without making the stock price drop before you're done
552 2011-05-09 03:41:41 <aaron42> probably by multiple dollars if you're sloppy about it
553 2011-05-09 03:41:48 <BitMark> aaron42: pretty much impossible
554 2011-05-09 03:41:52 <Akiron> well, sure you can buy $400k of bitcoin, if you don't mind watching it go to $6
555 2011-05-09 03:42:07 <aaron42> well, you pay very smart people with very expensive computers a very large commission to do it for you
556 2011-05-09 03:42:10 <BitMark> Akiron: it will go up far higher than that
557 2011-05-09 03:42:30 <aaron42> i used to work on the databases that make that sort of thing possible
558 2011-05-09 03:42:41 <aaron42> but even there there are scale limits
559 2011-05-09 03:43:04 <Akiron> bitmark: ok, $6 or higher
560 2011-05-09 03:43:08 <aaron42> you can't buy half the outstanding shares of something without screwing yourself, no matter what you do
561 2011-05-09 03:43:31 <BitMark> aaron42: sure you can
562 2011-05-09 03:43:40 <Akiron> so, over it's history Mt Gox has transacted just under $3 million
563 2011-05-09 03:43:46 <BitMark> Goldman did it with fuel oil
564 2011-05-09 03:44:59 <lolcat> So I cannot make a etoro.com like site and let people invest 400x the amount they have?
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566 2011-05-09 03:45:36 * lolcat will have to improve his forex trading to be able to give people that high loans first
567 2011-05-09 03:45:45 <Cusipzzz> lolcat: not unless you can close out their positions when they hit 0 equity, which will be very very fast
568 2011-05-09 03:46:05 <BitMark> what is etoro?
569 2011-05-09 03:46:11 <lolcat> BitMark: A forex site
570 2011-05-09 03:46:57 <lolcat> BitMark: You can buy $10 000 of currency for $25.
571 2011-05-09 03:47:01 <Cusipzzz> forex leverage can be 800x, but they have robust risk management systems, and small moves will crush equity and people will be closed out with nothing left
572 2011-05-09 03:47:07 <BitMark> so you are looking to trade btc currency pairs futures?
573 2011-05-09 03:47:15 <lolcat> No
574 2011-05-09 03:47:31 <lolcat> I am looking to make a site, where people can spend WAY more than they have on buying bitcoins
575 2011-05-09 03:47:42 fimp has joined
576 2011-05-09 03:47:42 <BitMark> lolcat: you are talkling about derivatives
577 2011-05-09 03:48:52 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
578 2011-05-09 03:48:54 <BitMark> lolcat: do you understand how leveraging works?
579 2011-05-09 03:48:55 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 39012619.6053 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 3 hours, 21 minutes, and 13 seconds
580 2011-05-09 03:49:46 <lolcat> BitMark: Not really, I don't see how they can make any money on borrowing me money I can't really pay back
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582 2011-05-09 03:50:18 <BitMark> they close out your position quickly if the market moves against you
583 2011-05-09 03:50:25 <Cusipzzz> lolcat: they make money on the spread, an by closing people out quickly on smart market moves when they are highly leveraged
584 2011-05-09 03:50:32 <alystair> ;;bc,stats
585 2011-05-09 03:50:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122807 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 168 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 34 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 155844.57461460
586 2011-05-09 03:50:39 <Cusipzzz> small*
587 2011-05-09 03:50:48 <lolcat> Cusipzzz: They make the spread?
588 2011-05-09 03:50:59 <lolcat> Does mtgox earn money on the spread?
589 2011-05-09 03:51:07 <jaybny> comission
590 2011-05-09 03:51:14 <alystair> can someone explain how the level of difficulty is calculated against speed of calculating blocks
591 2011-05-09 03:51:22 <Cusipzzz> lolcat: yes, forex brokers determine the spread based on wholesale orders, etc. gox does not set the spread, the orders do.
592 2011-05-09 03:51:26 <BitMark> which is kind of like making money on the spread
593 2011-05-09 03:51:28 <alystair> eg. how many hash/sec do you need to generate a block reliably
594 2011-05-09 03:51:32 <alystair> at this time
595 2011-05-09 03:52:02 <BitMark> ;;google bitcoin difficulty
596 2011-05-09 03:52:03 <gribble> Get rid of "difficulty" and maintain a constant rate. - Bitcoin: <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=425.0>; difficulty [Old Bitcoin Wiki (obsolete)]: <http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=difficulty>; Print Page - Wager on year end bitcoin difficulty factor: <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1312.0>
597 2011-05-09 03:52:15 <BitMark> ;;google bitcoin difficulty calc
598 2011-05-09 03:52:15 <gribble> Bitcoin Generation Calculator: <http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php>; Wolfram|Alpha Widgets - Bitcoin Generation Time Calculator: <http://developer.wolframalpha.com/widgets/gallery/view.jsp?id=76444b3132fda0e2aca778051d776f1c>; Bitcoin mining profitability calculator: <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5826.0>
599 2011-05-09 03:52:54 <BitMark> define "reliably"
600 2011-05-09 03:53:17 <alystair> as in, half the market? ;)
601 2011-05-09 03:53:22 * alystair shrugs
602 2011-05-09 03:53:38 <BitMark> ;;bc,hashrate
603 2011-05-09 03:53:39 <gribble> Error: "bc,hashrate" is not a valid command.
604 2011-05-09 03:53:57 <alystair> ok better question
605 2011-05-09 03:54:27 <alystair> what's the hash rate of a 2 x 2.4ghz dual xeon machine
606 2011-05-09 03:54:28 <BitMark> you would need to do as many hash/s as the current netowrk, roughly 1.2 terahashes / sec
607 2011-05-09 03:54:50 <BitMark> prolly around 12 or 24 for mhash
608 2011-05-09 03:55:01 <Diablo-D3> hrm
609 2011-05-09 03:55:11 <Diablo-D3> I cleaned out my computer from dust
610 2011-05-09 03:55:13 <aaron42> huh, that's even weirder
611 2011-05-09 03:55:14 <Diablo-D3> really wasnt that much in there
612 2011-05-09 03:55:16 <BitMark> that might be high estimate :)
613 2011-05-09 03:55:23 <Diablo-D3> GPU temp is down to 60.
614 2011-05-09 03:55:24 <aaron42> it only sefaults if i'm running as root
615 2011-05-09 03:55:31 <alystair> so hold on
616 2011-05-09 03:55:48 <Akiron> lolcat: that forEx 400x leverage stuff is a scam
617 2011-05-09 03:55:52 <alystair> about 3000khash for a dual xeon?
618 2011-05-09 03:56:12 <alystair> wish there was a CPU comparison chart :)
619 2011-05-09 03:56:16 <BitMark> ;;google bitcoin hardware comparison
620 2011-05-09 03:56:17 <gribble> Mining hardware comparison - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison>; Talk:Mining hardware comparison - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:Mining_hardware_comparison>; Question about Hardware Comparison - Bitcoin: <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3642.0>
621 2011-05-09 03:56:25 <alystair> nice
622 2011-05-09 03:56:25 <BitMark> its on that page
623 2011-05-09 03:57:32 <BitMark> worse that i thought each xeon will do a little over 2mhash
624 2011-05-09 03:57:57 <alystair> ugh
625 2011-05-09 03:58:03 <lfm> I think newwer xenons are better than that
626 2011-05-09 03:58:11 <BitMark> not by much
627 2011-05-09 03:58:19 <BitMark> they getu up to 8 mhash i think
628 2011-05-09 03:58:37 <alystair> lame
629 2011-05-09 03:58:47 <alystair> only 448mhash :(
630 2011-05-09 03:59:13 <BitMark> how many xeon servers do you have ?
631 2011-05-09 03:59:23 <alystair> oh 483mhash
632 2011-05-09 03:59:27 <alystair> would that do any good?
633 2011-05-09 03:59:33 <alystair> WOW
634 2011-05-09 03:59:37 <alystair> single gpu does so much better!
635 2011-05-09 03:59:41 <BitMark> yup
636 2011-05-09 03:59:51 <alystair> that's plain retarded
637 2011-05-09 04:00:00 allied has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
638 2011-05-09 04:00:03 <BitMark> hehe
639 2011-05-09 04:00:08 <programme> do you guys have idea which opencl sdk or runtimes i need to install on windows so that it can list my CPU as a OpenCL device?
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641 2011-05-09 04:00:24 <alystair> no it is, single video card does better than 224 dual xeon servers.
642 2011-05-09 04:00:41 <BitMark> yep that sounds about right
643 2011-05-09 04:00:46 <alystair> that's plain retarded.
644 2011-05-09 04:01:10 <lolcat> Akiron: How so?
645 2011-05-09 04:01:18 <BitMark> it doesnt mean server cpus are weak, just not good at mining bitcoin
646 2011-05-09 04:01:39 <alystair> am I the only who thinks this is silly because it's practially bogomips
647 2011-05-09 04:01:44 <alystair> like, not doing any 'real' work
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649 2011-05-09 04:01:53 <BitMark> thats not the point
650 2011-05-09 04:02:48 <BitMark> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof-of-work_system
651 2011-05-09 04:02:49 <alystair> the point is creating value out of thin air
652 2011-05-09 04:03:05 <BitMark> the point is securing bitcoin transactions against double spends
653 2011-05-09 04:03:39 <Akiron> lolcat: at that level of leverage, the normal expected market moves will wipe a person out. The Forex places know that and they have set it up so they can quickly take your money.
654 2011-05-09 04:03:39 <BitMark> if you have a better way to do that, we are, all of us, all ears
655 2011-05-09 04:03:50 <lfm> its not outa thin air, its out computers and electricitry
656 2011-05-09 04:03:57 <aaron42> ok, that'll do for now
657 2011-05-09 04:03:58 _Netsniper_ is now known as Netsniper
658 2011-05-09 04:04:08 <BitMark> lfm: not true either
659 2011-05-09 04:04:09 <aaron42> the phoenix launch script is seriously buggy, but at least i've got the damn thing up and running
660 2011-05-09 04:04:26 <aaron42> i'll put some work into hardening it later....
661 2011-05-09 04:04:37 <aaron42> thanks!
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663 2011-05-09 04:04:42 <BitMark> lfm: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoins_value_is_based_on_how_much_electricity_and_computing_power_it_takes_to_mine_them
664 2011-05-09 04:05:07 <alystair> are there stats of people doing larger mining operations
665 2011-05-09 04:05:16 <BitMark> yes
666 2011-05-09 04:05:28 <lfm> BitMark: its a myth cuz there is a kernel of truth in it
667 2011-05-09 04:05:40 ForceDestroyer has joined
668 2011-05-09 04:05:59 <BitMark> o_O
669 2011-05-09 04:06:08 <lolcat> Akiron: But with it for bitcoins bitcoins would be worth more. Can the forex people earn money on me loosing?
670 2011-05-09 04:06:14 <alystair> like people using multiple GPUs
671 2011-05-09 04:07:14 * lolcat is mining on his htc desire
672 2011-05-09 04:07:23 fimp has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
673 2011-05-09 04:07:48 <Akiron> lolcat: the system the Forex people use isn't dependent on the currency, it's dependent on the volatility of the asset (so it doesn't matter if it's dollar, or ruppees, or bitcoins)
674 2011-05-09 04:08:30 <lolcat> Yeah, if the price drops, and nobody is willing to buy the bitcoins at the price they where bougth for, then they loose.
675 2011-05-09 04:08:39 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
676 2011-05-09 04:08:40 <Akiron> lolcat: basically, you can use the volatility to calculate the minimum amount of leverage that would likely wipe most people out. You then give people that leverage, wait for them to get wiped out, and take their money
677 2011-05-09 04:08:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 39785713.7186 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 3 hours, 17 minutes, and 19 seconds
678 2011-05-09 04:08:48 <luke-jr> almost 40 GH :D
679 2011-05-09 04:09:03 <alystair> GH?
680 2011-05-09 04:09:19 <luke-jr> gigahash/sec
681 2011-05-09 04:09:25 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,mtgox
682 2011-05-09 04:09:25 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.63,"vol":21611,"buy":3.7,"sell":3.7888,"last":3.75}}
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685 2011-05-09 04:13:52 <alystair> wow why are AMDs so much better
686 2011-05-09 04:14:01 <luke-jr> cuz nvidia sucks
687 2011-05-09 04:15:15 <lfm> also amd is optimized for integers and nvidia was designed for floats and bitcoin is an integer app
688 2011-05-09 04:21:59 Cusipzzz has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)
689 2011-05-09 04:22:01 <gjs278> 1 + 1 = 2 I am ati
690 2011-05-09 04:22:06 EPiSKiNG has joined
691 2011-05-09 04:23:05 <EPiSKiNG> I just got a 5970, and it doesn't have Fan control?!?!?
692 2011-05-09 04:23:09 <gjs278> lol
693 2011-05-09 04:23:16 <gjs278> how are you trying to set it
694 2011-05-09 04:23:18 <gjs278> windows or lolnix
695 2011-05-09 04:23:29 <gjs278> check the fan connector and see if its connected to the board
696 2011-05-09 04:23:37 <EPiSKiNG> windows
697 2011-05-09 04:23:41 <gjs278> is the fan spinning at all
698 2011-05-09 04:23:48 <EPiSKiNG> yeah, it spins up when it gets hot
699 2011-05-09 04:23:52 <gjs278> also windows I have no idea
700 2011-05-09 04:23:52 <EPiSKiNG> but i can't define it myself
701 2011-05-09 04:23:55 <EPiSKiNG> even in CCC
702 2011-05-09 04:24:03 <gjs278> I hate the windows tools for it
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704 2011-05-09 04:28:34 <programme> which command will tell me which ports my bitcoind is listeting on?
705 2011-05-09 04:33:41 <programme> why netstat is taking too long
706 2011-05-09 04:34:40 <djoot> lsof -i |grep bitcoind|grep -i listen
707 2011-05-09 04:35:24 <alystair> mhashes is just 10x khash right
708 2011-05-09 04:35:57 <alystair> so, 800mhash is 8000khash?
709 2011-05-09 04:36:08 <alystair> or 80000
710 2011-05-09 04:36:53 ArtForzZz is now known as ArtForz
711 2011-05-09 04:36:57 <jmpespxoreax> alystair: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix
712 2011-05-09 04:37:02 <ArtForz> si prefix fail much?
713 2011-05-09 04:37:05 <programme> running bitcoin -server would be the same than running bitcoind ?
714 2011-05-09 04:37:28 <Diablo-D3> yes
715 2011-05-09 04:37:34 <Diablo-D3> bitcoind automatically implies -server
716 2011-05-09 04:37:47 <alystair> 8000000khash?!
717 2011-05-09 04:38:16 <programme> Diablo-D3: i see so basically if i run bitcoin -server it will make bitcoin to listen on 8332 plus 8333
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719 2011-05-09 04:38:24 <Diablo-D3> programme: yes
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721 2011-05-09 04:39:16 <EPiSKiNG> argh... missed whatever someone replied to me
722 2011-05-09 04:39:39 <programme> dhcppc1:~ # lsof -i |grep bitcoin|grep -i listen bitcoin 8788 root 9u IPv4 33758 0t0 TCP *:36128 (LISTEN)
723 2011-05-09 04:39:42 <programme> why my bitcoin regular client is listeting on port 36128 ??
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725 2011-05-09 04:40:08 <ArtForz> why are you running bitcoin asd root
726 2011-05-09 04:40:29 <EPiSKiNG> regarding fan control in windows for an XFX 5970 black edition
727 2011-05-09 04:40:30 <programme> ArtForz: its just a virtual machine
728 2011-05-09 04:40:30 <programme> ArtForz: why i cant run it as root?
729 2011-05-09 04:40:40 <ArtForz> just wondering
730 2011-05-09 04:41:08 <programme> ArtForz: why bitcoin is listening at that high port ?
731 2011-05-09 04:41:27 <ArtForz> right now, not sure
732 2011-05-09 04:41:44 <ArtForz> it should be listening on 8333 and whatever rpc port you specify if you use -server
733 2011-05-09 04:42:14 <programme> i know however didnt use server i just used ./bitcoin
734 2011-05-09 04:43:03 <programme> ArtForz: all the other connections are okay i think.. i see 5 connections on the client and then...
735 2011-05-09 04:43:03 <programme> TCP 192.168.1.34:57333->18.111.108.202:8333 (ESTABLISHED)
736 2011-05-09 04:43:03 <programme> so basically i see 5 of those on the lsof
737 2011-05-09 04:43:05 <Diablo-D3> 8333 is high?
738 2011-05-09 04:43:09 <Diablo-D3> thats not even half way
739 2011-05-09 04:43:27 <ArtForz> yes, thats outgoing connections to other bitcoin nodes
740 2011-05-09 04:43:40 <programme> Diablo-D3: nono those ones are correct the high port is:
741 2011-05-09 04:43:40 <programme> itcoin 8788 root 9u IPv4 33758 0t0 TCP *:36128 (LISTEN
742 2011-05-09 04:43:45 <ArtForz> is it listening on 8333 ?
743 2011-05-09 04:43:48 <programme> no
744 2011-05-09 04:43:56 <ArtForz> if not... is this in VMware?
745 2011-05-09 04:43:57 <programme> its listening on 36128 for some reason
746 2011-05-09 04:44:01 <programme> yes this is vmware
747 2011-05-09 04:44:04 <ArtForz> yeah
748 2011-05-09 04:44:05 <programme> virtual machine
749 2011-05-09 04:44:07 <Diablo-D3> thats an outgoing connection isnt it?
750 2011-05-09 04:44:12 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: no
751 2011-05-09 04:44:18 <programme> i just have a 8333 port forwarded from the host os to his guest os
752 2011-05-09 04:44:20 <ArtForz> LISTEN
753 2011-05-09 04:44:22 <ArtForz> vmware internally uses 8333
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755 2011-05-09 04:44:50 <programme> ArtForz: internally ?
756 2011-05-09 04:44:53 <ArtForz> yeah
757 2011-05-09 04:44:57 <programme> ArtForz: weird, well on my windows box thats running this vmware virtual machine linux
758 2011-05-09 04:45:04 <programme> i just setup a port 8333 forward so that
759 2011-05-09 04:45:06 <ArtForz> iirc it's used by their RDP protocol
760 2011-05-09 04:45:31 <programme> my public IP 8333 port is fowarded to the 8333 port of the VM
761 2011-05-09 04:45:31 <programme> does make sense what im trying to say ArtForz ?
762 2011-05-09 04:45:37 <ArtForz> yes
763 2011-05-09 04:45:58 <ArtForz> ahh, right
764 2011-05-09 04:46:02 <programme> ArtForz: so basically ill have to change the vmware RDP protocol right?
765 2011-05-09 04:46:06 <ArtForz> 8333 is VMwares we mgmt interface
766 2011-05-09 04:46:10 <programme> ArtForz: i mean ill have to find a way so that the vmware RDP protocol uses another port of i can just disable it?
767 2011-05-09 04:46:10 <ArtForz> *web
768 2011-05-09 04:46:13 <gjs278> rdp sudkcs install vnc
769 2011-05-09 04:46:34 <programme> ArtForz: i just have vmware player i dont think it have the mgmt thing
770 2011-05-09 04:46:37 <programme> ArtForz: i think the mgmt thing is for vmware workstation or server
771 2011-05-09 04:47:06 <ArtForz> no clue, I don't use VMware
772 2011-05-09 04:47:08 <programme> ArtForz: my bitcoin client just shows 5 connections and no more :(
773 2011-05-09 04:47:37 <ArtForz> but I know people had problems because VMware uses 8333 for itself
774 2011-05-09 04:47:40 <programme> uhmm
775 2011-05-09 04:47:40 <programme> WEIRD
776 2011-05-09 04:48:10 <programme> ArtForz: so you say my bitcoin client is listening on the high port because the 8333 port is already in use?
777 2011-05-09 04:48:19 <ArtForz> well, thats my guess
778 2011-05-09 04:48:22 <programme> ill try to telnet to the high port to see if it shows the bitcoin version strying thing?
779 2011-05-09 04:48:29 <ArtForz> good idea
780 2011-05-09 04:48:36 <programme> ArtForz: what do you think? that way ill know if its the bitcoin 8333 thing
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783 2011-05-09 04:48:50 <ArtForz> except latest client doesn't blast out version anymore :/
784 2011-05-09 04:49:46 <programme> ArtForz: i see true lol
785 2011-05-09 04:49:46 <programme> ArtForz: i dont see any version
786 2011-05-09 04:49:51 <programme> ArtForz: uhmm wondering how i can check if this is the bitcoin port
787 2011-05-09 04:50:15 <programme> ArtForz: it just connects but it doesnt show anything
788 2011-05-09 04:50:30 <ArtForz> yeah, thats what I see with a working bitcoin, too
789 2011-05-09 04:50:46 <ArtForz> well, if you don't see a TCP *:8333 (LISTEN)... that bind has to go somewhere
790 2011-05-09 04:50:59 <programme> ArtForz: i see so i guess its the bitcoin port
791 2011-05-09 04:51:20 <ArtForz> and I just checked, that (and the RPC port if enabled) are the only listening sockets it opens
792 2011-05-09 04:51:28 <programme> ArtForz: ya true i dont see the *:8333 thing i see the TCP *:36128 (LISTEN) thing so i supposed my bitcoin client for some reason
793 2011-05-09 04:51:28 <programme> ArtForz: wasnt able to allocate port 8333
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795 2011-05-09 04:51:54 <ArtForz> pure speculation, maybe VMware tools in the VM is hoggig 8333 ?
796 2011-05-09 04:51:58 <programme> ArtForz: now wondering how can i see whats using port 8333 or why its not able to allocate it
797 2011-05-09 04:52:22 <programme> ArtForz: i just tried to telnet to 8333 on localhost and i got connection refused
798 2011-05-09 04:52:26 <ArtForz> lsof -i -n | grep 8333
799 2011-05-09 04:52:30 <programme> ArtForz: vmware tools well i dont have them enabled
800 2011-05-09 04:52:36 <sacarlson> programme: or sudo netstat -pant
801 2011-05-09 04:52:42 <ArtForz> okay, thats really weird then
802 2011-05-09 04:53:14 <programme> lsof -i -n | grep 8333 <<--------- only displays me outgoing connections to other bitcoin nodes on port 8333
803 2011-05-09 04:53:21 <ArtForz> as I'm pretty sure bitcoin should complain loudly and die if the bind fails
804 2011-05-09 04:53:48 <programme> sacarlson: the same for netstat -pant just outgoing to 8333
805 2011-05-09 04:54:19 <programme> ArtForz: so i suppose vmware is remapping the port internally without bitcoin even able to notice it?
806 2011-05-09 04:54:28 <ArtForz> possibly
807 2011-05-09 04:54:37 <programme> ArtForz: the bitcoin code doesnt try to bind in any another unused port of the 8333 isnt available?
808 2011-05-09 04:54:46 <sacarlson> programme: I didn't read back to far so did you setup port forwarding on port 8333 ?
809 2011-05-09 04:54:54 <ArtForz> can you grep ~/.bitcoin/debug.log for "Bound to port" ?
810 2011-05-09 04:55:17 <programme> sacarlson: yes on windows i have a port forward 8333 to the IP of my VM
811 2011-05-09 04:55:17 <programme> im on the VM right now running bitcoin
812 2011-05-09 04:55:24 <programme> ArtForz: ok let me see
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814 2011-05-09 04:55:34 <sacarlson> programme: what about on your router?
815 2011-05-09 04:55:47 <ArtForz> sacarlson: that doesnt really matter right now
816 2011-05-09 04:55:54 <ArtForz> it's not even listening on 8333 locally
817 2011-05-09 04:56:22 <programme> sacarlson: nah its okay if i run the bitcoin client on my windows box ( the one that hosts this vm) the bitcoin client there works fine, i get maaany connections and port 8333 open
818 2011-05-09 04:56:35 <sacarlson> programme: your right and now the VM comes in I thought that conflicts with port 8333
819 2011-05-09 04:56:39 <programme> sacarlson: so basically my bitcoin client on the windows box works flawlessly!
820 2011-05-09 04:57:01 <programme> sacarlson: nono i closed the bitcoin on windows
821 2011-05-09 04:57:27 <programme> sacarlson: on windows i just have a port forward so that my public ip to the internet gets a redirect to the vm for por 8333
822 2011-05-09 04:57:27 <programme> does make sense?
823 2011-05-09 04:57:30 <programme> publicip:8333 -> vminternalip:8333
824 2011-05-09 04:58:03 <programme> my port 8333 is open to the internet
825 2011-05-09 04:58:03 <programme> and forwarded to the vm
826 2011-05-09 04:58:24 <programme> ArtForz: let me check that log
827 2011-05-09 04:59:21 <programme> "Bound to port 36128"
828 2011-05-09 04:59:21 <programme> WEIRD
829 2011-05-09 04:59:21 <programme> wondering why
830 2011-05-09 04:59:21 <programme> lol
831 2011-05-09 04:59:45 <ArtForz> okay, thats... weird
832 2011-05-09 05:00:23 <ArtForz> what version are you running? stock 0.3.21?
833 2011-05-09 05:00:27 <programme> someone has to fix the bitcoin client for vmware lol
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835 2011-05-09 05:01:27 <programme> the log contains maaaany of those "Bound to port 36128" lines so always it connected to the same port
836 2011-05-09 05:01:27 <programme> ArtForz: let me see i compiled it myself
837 2011-05-09 05:02:24 <djoot> programme: maybe try changing vmware port from 8333 to something else? this might help, http://www.ehow.com/how_7369786_do-change-8333-vmware-port_.html
838 2011-05-09 05:02:34 <programme> ArtForz: do you have idea on the bitcoin src tree, where i can get the version from?
839 2011-05-09 05:03:04 <programme> ArtForz: the client says...
840 2011-05-09 05:03:14 <programme> ArtForz: 3.21-beta
841 2011-05-09 05:03:26 <programme> ArtForz: 0.3.21-beta
842 2011-05-09 05:03:42 <ArtForz> ok
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844 2011-05-09 05:04:17 <programme> djoot: okay ill try that thing guys what do you think?
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846 2011-05-09 05:04:30 <ArtForz> stupid question... is that mainline source or some fork?
847 2011-05-09 05:05:11 <programme> ArtForz: i got it from github i think
848 2011-05-09 05:05:14 <programme> ArtForz: mainline
849 2011-05-09 05:05:30 <ArtForz> in that case, I have no clue how it can end up on something other than 8333
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851 2011-05-09 05:06:24 <programme> its a git clone from github mainline
852 2011-05-09 05:06:53 <programme> last commit i have is commit 64ad448adc67f3c32fe0dfe074c82a8377f67ee7
853 2011-05-09 05:06:53 <programme> i think
854 2011-05-09 05:07:08 <ArtForz> GetDefaultPort always returns htons(8333), we just do sockaddr.sin_port = GetDefaultPort(); bind(socket, sockaddr, ....); printf("Bound to port %i", ntohs(sockaddr.sin_port)...
855 2011-05-09 05:07:14 <ArtForz> and we check if the bind fails
856 2011-05-09 05:07:41 <programme> ArtForz: i see well, which file is that one? line?
857 2011-05-09 05:07:41 <programme> ArtForz: let me check because i think when i compiled it
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860 2011-05-09 05:07:52 <ArtForz> GetDefaultPort is ~line 15 in net.h
861 2011-05-09 05:07:54 <programme> ArtForz: i the compilation steps i had to change a htons line
862 2011-05-09 05:08:00 <ArtForz> what?
863 2011-05-09 05:08:08 <ArtForz> waaait a second
864 2011-05-09 05:08:15 <programme> ArtForz: the compilation steps were telling me that i have to change the 8333 for a hex value o_O
865 2011-05-09 05:08:35 <ArtForz> socket.htons(8333)
866 2011-05-09 05:08:35 <ArtForz> 36128
867 2011-05-09 05:08:37 <programme> ArtForz: those were shadey compilation steps then
868 2011-05-09 05:08:52 <ArtForz> you got your listening port in the wrong byte order
869 2011-05-09 05:09:04 <programme> ArtForz: ya i readed a tutotial somewhere on the net that said to change that line before compilation, let me check that line ill let you know
870 2011-05-09 05:09:26 <programme> ArtForz: so its a bitcoin bug?
871 2011-05-09 05:09:30 <ArtForz> no
872 2011-05-09 05:09:53 <programme> ArtForz: so let me check that line, a second
873 2011-05-09 05:10:02 <ArtForz> it's a "don't randomly change shit and wonder when things break" bug
874 2011-05-09 05:10:31 <programme> ArtForz: that line i have... { return fTestNet ? htons(18333) : htons(0x8d20); }
875 2011-05-09 05:10:47 <ArtForz> thats just wrong
876 2011-05-09 05:10:50 <programme> ArtForz: the tutorial with the install.txt steps to compiled bitcoin that i followed, was asking me to change the htons(8333) for htons(0x8d20)
877 2011-05-09 05:10:56 <programme> *compile
878 2011-05-09 05:11:02 <programme> ArtForz: i think the tutorial was lying uh ?
879 2011-05-09 05:11:06 <ArtForz> 0x8d20 = 36128
880 2011-05-09 05:11:14 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
881 2011-05-09 05:11:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122817 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 158 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 33 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 155666.44814647
882 2011-05-09 05:11:22 <ArtForz> so it's properly listening on the port you told it
883 2011-05-09 05:11:38 <ArtForz> just change it back to 8333
884 2011-05-09 05:11:50 <programme> ArtForz: so the tutorial that i followed was a bad one
885 2011-05-09 05:11:56 <ArtForz> yep
886 2011-05-09 05:11:57 <ArtForz> well, htons(8333)
887 2011-05-09 05:11:58 <programme> ArtForz: okay yes ill do that i really was wondering why the tutorial was asking me to change that line
888 2011-05-09 05:12:04 <programme> ArtForz: if you google
889 2011-05-09 05:12:15 <programme> htons(0x8d20) probably we will find the tutorial
890 2011-05-09 05:12:16 <programme> let me see
891 2011-05-09 05:12:46 <gjs278> this difficulty
892 2011-05-09 05:12:53 <ArtForz> it says to change htons(8333) to 0x8d20
893 2011-05-09 05:12:56 <programme> i think someone wanted to influence people to run bitcoin on a different port
894 2011-05-09 05:12:59 <ArtForz> not to htons(0x8d20)
895 2011-05-09 05:13:02 <x5x> MagicalTux, ping
896 2011-05-09 05:13:22 <ArtForz> and iirc that was only needed with some weird distro and a old version of bitcoin
897 2011-05-09 05:13:50 <programme> ArtForz: heliacal.net/~solar/bitcoin/bitcoin-linuxbuild.pdf
898 2011-05-09 05:13:50 <programme> ArtForz: i followed that tutorial -_-
899 2011-05-09 05:14:01 <programme> ArtForz: there they say "Bitcoin svn checkout https://bitcoin.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ bitcoin/trunk edit net.h and change line 15: 'htons(8333)' to 0x8d20"
900 2011-05-09 05:14:02 <ArtForz> yeah, that one is somewhat outdated
901 2011-05-09 05:14:23 <programme> ArtForz: however i git clone instead ;)
902 2011-05-09 05:14:26 <programme> well
903 2011-05-09 05:14:29 <programme> ill recompile it
904 2011-05-09 05:14:34 <programme> thxs
905 2011-05-09 05:14:39 <programme> brb
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907 2011-05-09 05:15:15 <sacarlson> is there already php code to interface to mtgox quotes api?
908 2011-05-09 05:17:03 <programme> ArtForz: i saw your opencl code for diablominer it calculates attempt worthy nonces right?
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912 2011-05-09 05:17:49 <MagicalTux> x5x, pong
913 2011-05-09 05:19:08 <x5x> MagicalTux, hey just in case it wasnt on purpose, that STS header on port 80 doesn't do anyhting
914 2011-05-09 05:19:22 <x5x> if u wanna get everyone on sts u gotta redirect them to https
915 2011-05-09 05:19:36 <programme> MagicalTux: you are the owner of mtgox right?
916 2011-05-09 05:21:45 <programme> weird
917 2011-05-09 05:21:49 <MagicalTux> x5x, nah, was just too lazy to add a if(https)
918 2011-05-09 05:21:52 <MagicalTux> programme, yes
919 2011-05-09 05:21:54 <programme> error when trying to compile bitcoin
920 2011-05-09 05:21:55 <programme> bin/ld: cannot find -ldb_cxx
921 2011-05-09 05:21:58 <programme> i already solved this...
922 2011-05-09 05:22:03 <programme> i just need to remember how
923 2011-05-09 05:22:04 <programme> lol
924 2011-05-09 05:22:14 <gjs278> you may need to specifiy your db4.8 folder
925 2011-05-09 05:22:15 <MagicalTux> db_cxx-4.7
926 2011-05-09 05:22:16 <x5x> MagicalTux, ah cool yea, thot that might be teh case
927 2011-05-09 05:24:36 <programme> it seems to be located here
928 2011-05-09 05:24:38 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: hey, dont mean to bug, but do you have the btc php half-node node logger available?
929 2011-05-09 05:24:44 <programme> uhm /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.7/lib/libdb_cxx.so
930 2011-05-09 05:24:48 <programme> can someone help?
931 2011-05-09 05:24:55 <gjs278> you need to specify that
932 2011-05-09 05:24:57 <gjs278> in the Makefile
933 2011-05-09 05:25:09 <gjs278> also
934 2011-05-09 05:25:12 <gjs278> it's looking for your .h
935 2011-05-09 05:25:13 <gjs278> not your so
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937 2011-05-09 05:25:27 <gjs278> the .h is most likely in /usr/include
938 2011-05-09 05:25:30 <gjs278> or local/include
939 2011-05-09 05:25:40 <programme> nvm
940 2011-05-09 05:25:41 <programme> got it
941 2011-05-09 05:26:00 <MagicalTux> [14:19:28] <programme> uhm /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.7/lib/libdb_cxx.so <- -L/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.7/lib
942 2011-05-09 05:26:22 <programme> oh no
943 2011-05-09 05:26:26 <programme> can seomeone help me ?
944 2011-05-09 05:26:44 <programme> i need to make my bitcoin makefile to locate the /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.7/lib/libdb_cxx.so when using -ldb_cxx
945 2011-05-09 05:27:12 <MagicalTux> programme, add the -L option I gave you before the -ldb_cxx
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948 2011-05-09 05:28:05 <programme> maybe i need to symlink it?
949 2011-05-09 05:28:12 <programme> from /usr/local/lib/
950 2011-05-09 05:28:22 <gjs278> you need to be looking in /usr/include lib is not the directory you are including
951 2011-05-09 05:28:45 <ArtForz> gjs278: he has a linker error, not a compile error
952 2011-05-09 05:28:58 <ArtForz> so yes, the linker isn't finding the .so
953 2011-05-09 05:29:13 <ArtForz> easiest is to just add the -L like MagicalTux said
954 2011-05-09 05:29:28 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: nvm, if you do get around to posting it, please leave a ;;later tell with gribble ;)
955 2011-05-09 05:29:54 <MagicalTux> BlueMatt, ok
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957 2011-05-09 05:30:08 <programme> i think its called LIBRARY_PATH or something let me see
958 2011-05-09 05:30:08 <programme> lol
959 2011-05-09 05:30:27 <MagicalTux> programme, just add the freaking -L and get your bitcoin client linked
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961 2011-05-09 05:33:51 <programme> LDFLAGS ?
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963 2011-05-09 05:38:06 <programme> nvm solved it
964 2011-05-09 05:38:06 <programme> :P
965 2011-05-09 05:40:17 <programme> im getting cannot obtain a lock on the .bitcoin directory, probably bitcoin is already running, someone knows how i can release the lock?
966 2011-05-09 05:40:43 <gjs278> stop the other bitcoin processes
967 2011-05-09 05:40:46 <gjs278> with a shovel
968 2011-05-09 05:40:53 <programme> ill just delete the lock file nvm
969 2011-05-09 05:40:59 <gjs278> lol
970 2011-05-09 05:42:54 <programme> ArtForz: cool it listens on 8333 now :)
971 2011-05-09 05:43:23 <ArtForz> btw, if you get more than 8 connections, incoming forwarding is working
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976 2011-05-09 05:57:12 <ntosme2> ooo 5970s for $550...mine!
977 2011-05-09 05:57:22 <an20> if you run poclbm.py with an ask rate of 1 second will that help your chances of finding a block at the expense of more network overhead?
978 2011-05-09 05:57:51 <ntosme2> damn, none in store
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980 2011-05-09 06:04:15 <jrmithdobbs> an20: my experience is no, you just fuck up the rpc server in bitcoind and make it respond to each request slower causing "problems communicating with rpc server"
981 2011-05-09 06:05:04 <jrmithdobbs> an20: especially if you don't actually process everything you requested in that 1s
982 2011-05-09 06:05:38 <programme> jrmithdobbs: so you say an ask of 1sec causes "problem communicating with rpc" server why ?
983 2011-05-09 06:06:03 <programme> jrmithdobbs: too many requests?
984 2011-05-09 06:06:16 <jrmithdobbs> programme: i don't know. i haven't looked into, just anecdotal experience
985 2011-05-09 06:06:30 <jrmithdobbs> backing it off fixed it for me
986 2011-05-09 06:06:46 <programme> jrmithdobbs: so you increased the ask time to fix it?
987 2011-05-09 06:07:05 <jrmithdobbs> yes
988 2011-05-09 06:07:41 <jrmithdobbs> may have been link related
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992 2011-05-09 06:15:54 <programme> luke-jr: are you there?
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996 2011-05-09 06:19:27 <jrmithdobbs> programme: may also be i was testing with cpu mining and the extra requests were just resource starving it to the point where it fucked things up on the miner side
997 2011-05-09 06:20:19 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rfd429cfa852a supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/MarketMonitor/plugin.py: MarketMonitor: allow market names containing numerals http://tinyurl.com/3clmuyy
998 2011-05-09 06:20:21 <programme> jrmithdobbs: so how many seconds do you recommend?
999 2011-05-09 06:20:56 <jrmithdobbs> programme: the default 5 is pretty reasonable in my experience
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1001 2011-05-09 06:22:59 <an20> I am trying to cool things down, I am going to try to keep the cement floor wet and run a fan across it. I live in a dry climate and that might be a cheap way to cool things. thinking out loud
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1003 2011-05-09 06:23:30 <ArtForz> an20: google swamp cooler
1004 2011-05-09 06:23:41 <an20> well, I am trying to avoid buying one :)
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1006 2011-05-09 06:23:58 <an20> wife is mad about all the mone going out and magic beans comming in
1007 2011-05-09 06:24:03 <an20> *money
1008 2011-05-09 06:24:06 <ArtForz> but yeah, evaporative cooling works pretty well if you have low humidity
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1010 2011-05-09 06:26:00 <jrmithdobbs> an20: how many nodes you running to piss the wife off? lol
1011 2011-05-09 06:26:17 <an20> lol, thank goodness its still cool outside
1012 2011-05-09 06:26:23 <an20> only doing about 6gh/s
1013 2011-05-09 06:26:39 <jrmithdobbs> ya but how many psus
1014 2011-05-09 06:26:40 <programme> Updating f285622..ee98e0f error: Entry 'server.c' not uptodate. Cannot merge
1015 2011-05-09 06:26:40 <an20> can see why fpga makes sense, serious heat problems fast
1016 2011-05-09 06:27:04 <programme> when i did git pull it throwed me that error, anyone know how i can solve it?
1017 2011-05-09 06:27:28 <jrmithdobbs> programme: you have uncommitted changes to server.c
1018 2011-05-09 06:27:47 <jrmithdobbs> programme: back them out and pull again
1019 2011-05-09 06:27:58 <programme> jrmithdobbs: how i can revert those changes? i dont want to commit anything
1020 2011-05-09 06:28:07 <programme> jrmithdobbs: i dont mind to loose those changes, isnt there a svn revert equivalent?
1021 2011-05-09 06:28:17 <jrmithdobbs> programme: git checkout server.c
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1023 2011-05-09 06:29:13 <programme> ok, got it thanks
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1026 2011-05-09 06:30:42 <jrmithdobbs> an20: running more than 3-4 boxes out of a residential space would cause issues p quick, ya
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1030 2011-05-09 06:33:54 <an20> yep, I am out of power
1031 2011-05-09 06:34:46 <jrmithdobbs> i've already got at-cost colo'ing lined up if i can get my enclosures worked out to a point they're safe to put in a dc
1032 2011-05-09 06:34:48 <jrmithdobbs> haha
1033 2011-05-09 06:35:14 <jrmithdobbs> still working on that
1034 2011-05-09 06:37:04 <programme> luke-jr: after i git pull from the pushpoold repository, it worked
1035 2011-05-09 06:37:47 <programme> luke-jr: now the ufasoft miner works! just wondering why it didnt work before? you guys fixed with jgarzik lately the pushpoold to be more compatible with new miners?
1036 2011-05-09 06:39:13 <an20> I would guess that the dc people have not seen such high power density before, and will get pissed at you fast
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1038 2011-05-09 06:39:38 <an20> you could order up 2x 208 30A legs for your cab and not even blink.
1039 2011-05-09 06:39:40 <jrmithdobbs> an20: used to work there. very very very clearly laid out what it was
1040 2011-05-09 06:39:59 <an20> that sounds cool
1041 2011-05-09 06:40:05 <jrmithdobbs> an20: we'd have to work out placement/cooling issues
1042 2011-05-09 06:40:29 <jrmithdobbs> but they're aware (my ex-boss's exact words when i told him the power usage were: "wtf, you're shitting me?!")
1043 2011-05-09 06:40:37 <an20> lol
1044 2011-05-09 06:40:49 <an20> like running a space heater in his dc
1045 2011-05-09 06:40:58 <jrmithdobbs> ya but it's a nice facility
1046 2011-05-09 06:41:15 <jrmithdobbs> so long as it's not gonna explode or melt the floor
1047 2011-05-09 06:41:17 <jrmithdobbs> haha
1048 2011-05-09 06:41:27 <jrmithdobbs> they're fine with it
1049 2011-05-09 06:41:53 <an20> was stuck in a contract once and I seriously was thinking about putting a space heater in my cabinet because it was just sitting empty
1050 2011-05-09 06:42:13 <ArtForz> unless you go for *very* custom cases, power density really isn't that high
1051 2011-05-09 06:42:30 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: it's about like filling a rack with 1us
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1053 2011-05-09 06:42:35 <jrmithdobbs> that are actually under load
1054 2011-05-09 06:42:40 <jrmithdobbs> which still isn't anything to blink at
1055 2011-05-09 06:42:43 <ArtForz> roughly, yeah
1056 2011-05-09 06:42:55 <an20> well most dc's i have seen try to cap you to 100w per U
1057 2011-05-09 06:43:07 <ArtForz> yeah, for general hosting that's about right
1058 2011-05-09 06:43:13 <jrmithdobbs> an20: nah i'd be leasing the power circuits outright
1059 2011-05-09 06:43:17 <ArtForz> for HPC stuff twice that is pretty common
1060 2011-05-09 06:43:37 <jrmithdobbs> and not paying usage which is stupid on their part
1061 2011-05-09 06:43:40 <jrmithdobbs> they could rape me on it
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1066 2011-05-09 06:45:47 <jrmithdobbs> esp at 500/m for a 120 a/b pair. i've not heard a quote that low on dc power in a while
1067 2011-05-09 06:45:48 <programme> jrmithdobbs: how many seconds do you recommend for askrate?
1068 2011-05-09 06:46:40 <jrmithdobbs> but i've been dealing with bumfuck operations outside of major city centers lately
1069 2011-05-09 06:46:53 <ntosme2> jrmithdobbs: that's $500/month for 120A 12V?
1070 2011-05-09 06:46:59 <ntosme2> what's the standard?
1071 2011-05-09 06:47:14 <jrmithdobbs> we were paying 1500 last place at work
1072 2011-05-09 06:47:24 <ArtForz> thats cheap as fuck for a DC even if it's at the ass-end of nowhere
1073 2011-05-09 06:47:29 <ArtForz> yea
1074 2011-05-09 06:48:01 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: well, they're actually in someone else's facility. but they lease enough of the floorspace they get good rates
1075 2011-05-09 06:48:13 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: and like I said, he's giving it to me at cost
1076 2011-05-09 06:48:33 <ntosme2> that's about 50% of raw 120VAC in Houston, TX
1077 2011-05-09 06:48:40 <ntosme2> impressive
1078 2011-05-09 06:48:41 <an20> you are planning on 125V 20A?
1079 2011-05-09 06:49:01 <jrmithdobbs> he may change his mind when he's see i'm not joking about consumption though
1080 2011-05-09 06:49:23 <an20> you wont fit very much on that if its 20A
1081 2011-05-09 06:49:36 <an20> I think you should push him for 208 - 30A
1082 2011-05-09 06:49:58 <an20> maybe see if he can get it to you off the battery
1083 2011-05-09 06:50:12 <jrmithdobbs> an20: aye, i only got a brief verbal commitment from him, i want 208
1084 2011-05-09 06:50:25 <jrmithdobbs> those were just the numbers he knew off the top of his head
1085 2011-05-09 06:50:41 <ntosme2> what's a standard rack height? 12U?
1086 2011-05-09 06:51:02 <jrmithdobbs> 42
1087 2011-05-09 06:51:04 <ArtForz> usually 42U is a full rack
1088 2011-05-09 06:51:26 <an20> I have been at some data centers that a/b pairs means you can only use the one leg as the total, eg .8 * 20A * 120V = total watts
1089 2011-05-09 06:51:26 <ntosme2> 73.5" tall? gees
1090 2011-05-09 06:51:27 <jrmithdobbs> you really should be able to guess that based on nerd + arbitrary number alone
1091 2011-05-09 06:51:30 <jrmithdobbs> tbqh
1092 2011-05-09 06:51:33 <jrmithdobbs> haha
1093 2011-05-09 06:52:11 <ntosme2> I guessed 6' which is ~12U
1094 2011-05-09 06:52:19 <ntosme2> 42 is indeed awesome
1095 2011-05-09 06:52:20 <an20> guess I hate DC people after dealing with telx
1096 2011-05-09 06:52:23 <bk128> you can buy dc power?
1097 2011-05-09 06:52:24 <jrmithdobbs> an20: yes i know, but on hpc where the nodes are stateless do *i* really care if i blow their fuse if one fails?
1098 2011-05-09 06:52:34 <jrmithdobbs> that's their liability
1099 2011-05-09 06:53:07 <topi`> luke-jr: how do I find out my current shares in Eligius?
1100 2011-05-09 06:53:41 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
1101 2011-05-09 06:53:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.635,"vol":21493,"buy":3.7402,"sell":3.7996,"last":3.7401}}
1102 2011-05-09 06:53:56 <ArtForz> but like I said, unless you go for really weird designs, you only have about 6.5kW/rack
1103 2011-05-09 06:53:59 <jrmithdobbs> an20: if they let me plug it in that way it's their problem if one side fails tbqh (they shouldn't, and probably wont)
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1105 2011-05-09 06:55:02 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: i'm trying to work out 16 gpus per mainboard for the time being. basically i'm building ghetto dell c410xs
1106 2011-05-09 06:55:11 <jrmithdobbs> or trying to
1107 2011-05-09 06:55:12 <ArtForz> oh god, have fun.
1108 2011-05-09 06:55:26 <jrmithdobbs> ya, like i said *if i can make it safe*
1109 2011-05-09 06:55:27 <jrmithdobbs> haha
1110 2011-05-09 06:55:32 <ntosme2> hmm, maybe I can put a rack in the laundry room and use the waste heat to dry clothes
1111 2011-05-09 06:55:35 <an20> jrmithdobbs what? how do you do that?
1112 2011-05-09 06:55:41 <jrmithdobbs> an20: magic
1113 2011-05-09 06:55:50 <an20> how long can you extenc pcie cables?
1114 2011-05-09 06:55:50 <ArtForz> an20: custom coolers, custom cases, huge fans
1115 2011-05-09 06:55:52 <an20> 35cm?
1116 2011-05-09 06:56:06 <ArtForz> a few m
1117 2011-05-09 06:56:06 <an20> *extend
1118 2011-05-09 06:56:10 <an20> wow
1119 2011-05-09 06:56:12 <bk128> jrmithdobbs: what motherboard?
1120 2011-05-09 06:56:14 <ArtForz> and the whole thing will most likely und up more expensive per card than just sticking with COTS stuff
1121 2011-05-09 06:56:15 <jrmithdobbs> doesn't have to be too long
1122 2011-05-09 06:56:37 <jrmithdobbs> yes most likely
1123 2011-05-09 06:56:46 <jrmithdobbs> but dense and rackable
1124 2011-05-09 06:56:59 <an20> I would propose just cheap mobo+ 3 x gpu per box
1125 2011-05-09 06:57:12 <bk128> I'm doing 3 gpu per box
1126 2011-05-09 06:57:17 <an20> 4U x 10 per cab
1127 2011-05-09 06:57:22 <ArtForz> an20: yep
1128 2011-05-09 06:57:39 <jrmithdobbs> an20: that's what i've got going now basically
1129 2011-05-09 06:57:45 <jrmithdobbs> thats just not fun to talk about.
1130 2011-05-09 06:58:01 <ntosme2> won't a card fit vertically in 3U?
1131 2011-05-09 06:58:01 <an20> lol
1132 2011-05-09 06:58:07 <ArtForz> it does
1133 2011-05-09 06:58:15 <jrmithdobbs> ntosme2: ya
1134 2011-05-09 06:58:33 <ntosme2> so you can do 14 x 3U
1135 2011-05-09 06:58:33 <ArtForz> barely
1136 2011-05-09 06:58:57 <jrmithdobbs> ntosme2: but most cases wont close with it in there
1137 2011-05-09 06:59:05 <jrmithdobbs> ntosme2: which is a nono in someone else's facility
1138 2011-05-09 06:59:32 <ntosme2> do they require specific cases or could you fab up your own?
1139 2011-05-09 06:59:44 <ntosme2> I've never used a colo
1140 2011-05-09 06:59:58 <jrmithdobbs> i'd prly be using modified desktop towers with shelves
1141 2011-05-09 07:00:04 <jrmithdobbs> and they will probably hate me for it
1142 2011-05-09 07:00:05 <an20> for a colo you can do what ever you want, but its hard to manage if you stack to high
1143 2011-05-09 07:00:09 <bk128> look like crap
1144 2011-05-09 07:00:09 <ArtForz> problem in 3Us is you have nearly no space left for vents
1145 2011-05-09 07:00:47 <ntosme2> bk128: but who will actually be looking at it lol?
1146 2011-05-09 07:00:58 <jrmithdobbs> ntosme2: some facilities will bitch
1147 2011-05-09 07:01:04 <jrmithdobbs> endlessly.
1148 2011-05-09 07:01:25 <ntosme2> haha, I'm considering something like this in my garage http://joule.bu.edu/~hazen/LinuxCluster/
1149 2011-05-09 07:01:42 <jrmithdobbs> ya, tx, garage anywhere is out, lol
1150 2011-05-09 07:01:48 <jrmithdobbs> esp the next 4 months
1151 2011-05-09 07:01:51 <ntosme2> I'm sure they would love something like that
1152 2011-05-09 07:02:28 <jrmithdobbs> they actually just pulled out a bunch of "bread racks" with basically those dimensions to get things denser
1153 2011-05-09 07:02:40 <jrmithdobbs> reached a point where using the shitty cheap hardware packed that close wasn't cutting it
1154 2011-05-09 07:03:09 <cosurgi> /lastt/last
1155 2011-05-09 07:03:24 <bk128> jrmithdobbs: what are you running right now?
1156 2011-05-09 07:03:38 <jrmithdobbs> too many heat-related failures because of the placement of the vents on the cases and how they were stacking them =/
1157 2011-05-09 07:04:02 <jrmithdobbs> bk128: 4xchassis
1158 2011-05-09 07:04:15 <bk128> how many cards each?
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1160 2011-05-09 07:05:10 <ntosme2> do any colos support fluid cooling?
1161 2011-05-09 07:05:33 <an20> ntosme2: not that i have ever seen
1162 2011-05-09 07:06:12 <ntosme2> I really like the water-cooled shipping containers some companies use
1163 2011-05-09 07:06:57 <jrmithdobbs> bk128: no, 4 cards per chassis
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1165 2011-05-09 07:08:29 <jrmithdobbs> they're just standard towers with no disks and an a/c vent pointing directly at their intake fans
1166 2011-05-09 07:08:55 <jrmithdobbs> *front intake
1167 2011-05-09 07:08:58 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
1168 2011-05-09 07:09:00 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122837 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 138 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 156272.20892334
1169 2011-05-09 07:09:07 <bk128> jrmithdobbs: 5970s?
1170 2011-05-09 07:09:37 <jrmithdobbs> bk128: 5850s because we got them ridiculously cheap and able to recoup investment quicker
1171 2011-05-09 07:09:50 <an20> how cheap?
1172 2011-05-09 07:09:54 <jrmithdobbs> very cheap
1173 2011-05-09 07:10:00 <an20> like $100 each?
1174 2011-05-09 07:10:13 <ntosme2> hah, I got a 5870 for 100 the other day
1175 2011-05-09 07:10:14 <jrmithdobbs> not much more, ya
1176 2011-05-09 07:10:23 <an20> thats a great price
1177 2011-05-09 07:10:24 <ntosme2> this guy needed to pay rent
1178 2011-05-09 07:10:35 <bk128> jrmithdobbs: nice. I just got 3 at like 150 each
1179 2011-05-09 07:10:58 <an20> well I bet ATI has taken notice of bitcoin, maybe nvidia also
1180 2011-05-09 07:11:18 <jrmithdobbs> bk128: :P
1181 2011-05-09 07:11:58 <ntosme2> hopefully nvidia is scrambling to tweak their hardware for better integer math
1182 2011-05-09 07:13:06 <an20> ATI has to notice when the cards just fly off the shelf. newegg had about 500 xfx 5870's in stock 2 months ago, all gone now.
1183 2011-05-09 07:13:18 <lfm> an20 what notice has ati taken? is there a link?
1184 2011-05-09 07:13:41 <an20> I assume, they watch newegg closely
1185 2011-05-09 07:14:05 <lfm> ya well 5870 are popular game cards too
1186 2011-05-09 07:14:38 <gjs278> 587's own
1187 2011-05-09 07:14:48 <gjs278> only problem was how loud mine was
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1189 2011-05-09 07:15:02 <midnightmagic> 5870 is loud?
1190 2011-05-09 07:15:07 <gjs278> 5850's now are basically selling $20 less than what 5850's were
1191 2011-05-09 07:15:11 <gjs278> the asus one is a hair dryer
1192 2011-05-09 07:15:16 <gjs278> the gigabyte one is probably quieter
1193 2011-05-09 07:15:24 <gjs278> $20 less than the 5870's***
1194 2011-05-09 07:15:41 <midnightmagic> wow.. i have.. what looks like a powercolor 5870 and it's super quiet in comparison to my 5970s
1195 2011-05-09 07:16:08 <gjs278> my 5970 is pretty quiet
1196 2011-05-09 07:16:09 <ntosme2> midnightmagic: my powercolor 5770s are jet engines
1197 2011-05-09 07:16:21 <midnightmagic> ?! wtf, mine are quiet
1198 2011-05-09 07:16:35 <ntosme2> odd...
1199 2011-05-09 07:16:47 <midnightmagic> er.. sorry, 5870s are quiet. i have no 5770s.
1200 2011-05-09 07:16:55 <gjs278> I replaced the 5870 with an accelero
1201 2011-05-09 07:16:59 <gjs278> had to hack the shit out of it
1202 2011-05-09 07:17:00 <gjs278> but it rapes
1203 2011-05-09 07:17:05 <gjs278> 49C right now
1204 2011-05-09 07:17:09 <gjs278> at 100% load
1205 2011-05-09 07:17:14 <midnightmagic> fanspeed?
1206 2011-05-09 07:17:24 <gjs278> you can't hear the difference between 30 and 100 on an accelero
1207 2011-05-09 07:17:26 <gjs278> but 100
1208 2011-05-09 07:17:38 <an20> Artforz you should give an data feed to bitcoinwatch.com so you show up on their pie chart
1209 2011-05-09 07:18:45 <midnightmagic> i'm pretty sure i would go deaf if my machines all went to 100%
1210 2011-05-09 07:18:46 <gjs278> it works well if you have a reference 5870. if you don't, you have to buy two copper heatsinks to cover two vrms, and then cut one in half and cut an inch off of another
1211 2011-05-09 07:19:08 <gjs278> what do youu sually run at
1212 2011-05-09 07:19:14 <gjs278> 70% was unacceptable for me
1213 2011-05-09 07:19:17 <midnightmagic> lemme see what they're at right now..
1214 2011-05-09 07:19:20 <gjs278> for my stock 5870
1215 2011-05-09 07:19:31 <gjs278> and even then I'd hit bs temps like 80c
1216 2011-05-09 07:19:49 <ntosme2> gjs278: shove them in a closet with the door cracked
1217 2011-05-09 07:19:53 <gjs278> main pc
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1219 2011-05-09 07:19:57 <gjs278> not really an option lol
1220 2011-05-09 07:20:09 <gjs278> I have a dell poweredge in the closet though
1221 2011-05-09 07:20:12 <gjs278> and that thing is loud as hell
1222 2011-05-09 07:20:17 <gjs278> can't hear it though
1223 2011-05-09 07:20:20 <gjs278> due to closet
1224 2011-05-09 07:20:33 <gjs278> (and the 5970 fan noise in my room)
1225 2011-05-09 07:20:51 <ntosme2> wood is a great sound dampener
1226 2011-05-09 07:21:00 <midnightmagic> well there're a lot of them. anywhere from 45%, to 36% for my 5870, to a max of 52%
1227 2011-05-09 07:21:08 <gjs278> temps
1228 2011-05-09 07:21:22 <midnightmagic> i target 85C
1229 2011-05-09 07:21:25 <gjs278> lol
1230 2011-05-09 07:21:27 <gjs278> well tthas why
1231 2011-05-09 07:21:29 <gjs278> fuck that shit
1232 2011-05-09 07:21:40 <gjs278> it was definitely not loud at 52% but I would never let the card sit at 85
1233 2011-05-09 07:22:40 <midnightmagic> they're been running for months at that. the only hiccough i had was when half a 5970 failed but it was because my pid controller was oscillating
1234 2011-05-09 07:22:47 <jrmithdobbs> just think of it as the cheapest whitenoise generator you can buy
1235 2011-05-09 07:22:52 <jrmithdobbs> with the added bonus of paying for itself
1236 2011-05-09 07:23:38 <jrmithdobbs> that's how i got the gf's sign off to run this shit in my office, lol
1237 2011-05-09 07:24:26 <ntosme2> I think the paying for itself bit was the key
1238 2011-05-09 07:24:42 <jrmithdobbs> heh
1239 2011-05-09 07:25:05 <jrmithdobbs> well, it's my money, she doesn't have say in that
1240 2011-05-09 07:25:18 <midnightmagic> my powercolor 5970s seems to be decidedly more flakey than my sapphires.
1241 2011-05-09 07:25:18 <jrmithdobbs> don't tell her that, obv
1242 2011-05-09 07:26:24 <lfm> ya powercooler is a cheap brand
1243 2011-05-09 07:26:34 <gjs278> sapphires have those fucking dreadlock people on the card
1244 2011-05-09 07:26:37 <gjs278> will not buy
1245 2011-05-09 07:26:59 <jrmithdobbs> i will suck those dreadlock people's dicks so long as they keep doing math for me
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1247 2011-05-09 07:27:02 <gjs278> unless you got a toxic
1248 2011-05-09 07:27:02 <jrmithdobbs> tbqh
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1255 2011-05-09 07:27:32 <jrmithdobbs> (mine actually don't have the dreadlock people, but you get my meaning ;p)
1256 2011-05-09 07:27:39 <gjs278> you're lucky
1257 2011-05-09 07:27:48 <lfm> and whats wrong with dreads! hehe
1258 2011-05-09 07:27:49 * midnightmagic taps out.. back to my OGD1
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1260 2011-05-09 07:28:30 <jrmithdobbs> i just remembered this is logged to the web, oh well, i'm sure there are gayer quotes of mine that have been
1261 2011-05-09 07:29:02 <datathe1st-away> anyone want to buy bitcoins?
1262 2011-05-09 07:29:02 _flow_ has joined
1263 2011-05-09 07:29:15 <datathe1st-away> I'm selling BTC for Canadian dollars by interac email money transfer
1264 2011-05-09 07:29:17 <lfm> try bitcoin-otc
1265 2011-05-09 07:29:23 <datathe1st-away> oops
1266 2011-05-09 07:29:24 <datathe1st-away> so sorry
1267 2011-05-09 07:29:28 <jrmithdobbs> no i want the people that buy forbes to wake up and hit newsstands already is what i want
1268 2011-05-09 07:29:35 <lfm> np
1269 2011-05-09 07:29:59 <jrmithdobbs> s/buy/read/
1270 2011-05-09 07:31:10 <jrmithdobbs> going back to bed. maybe the dog moved so she's not like a builtin space heater any more.
1271 2011-05-09 07:31:25 <jrmithdobbs> wtf is this 90F+ shit in may
1272 2011-05-09 07:31:50 <lfm> wtf is dog in human bed for?
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1274 2011-05-09 07:32:20 <jrmithdobbs> sleeps at feet, i'll kick her off if she hasn't moved
1275 2011-05-09 07:32:25 <jrmithdobbs> haha
1276 2011-05-09 07:33:07 <jrmithdobbs> better than the fuckin cat butt in the face.
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1278 2011-05-09 07:33:49 <gjs278> euthanize your dog
1279 2011-05-09 07:33:55 <gjs278> in the name of the bitcoin project
1280 2011-05-09 07:34:01 <lfm> animals of any species shouldnt be in human bed imho
1281 2011-05-09 07:34:50 <gjs278> this project needs publicity, and massive dog euthanisia parties will get us the attention we deserve
1282 2011-05-09 07:35:00 <lfm> bad enuf I have to share occasional sidewalk with em
1283 2011-05-09 07:35:11 <topi`> gjs :DD
1284 2011-05-09 07:35:20 <gjs278> ever notice how stupid some dogs are
1285 2011-05-09 07:35:29 <gjs278> like they just lick you for no reason
1286 2011-05-09 07:35:34 <gjs278> what kind of human would do that
1287 2011-05-09 07:35:36 <gjs278> nobody
1288 2011-05-09 07:35:40 <topi`> i know some
1289 2011-05-09 07:35:40 <topi`> :D
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1291 2011-05-09 07:38:09 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: we can't stop the cat. we've tried.
1292 2011-05-09 07:38:18 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: the big dog sleeps on his own bed
1293 2011-05-09 07:38:18 <gjs278> euthanize it
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1295 2011-05-09 07:38:51 <jrmithdobbs> the one that sleeps at foot of the bed is just a tiny not-fat (amazing! bet you've never seen one in person!) beagle
1296 2011-05-09 07:39:03 <gjs278> some people neuter their animals, I take it a step further
1297 2011-05-09 07:40:02 <jrmithdobbs> tomorrow is going to be fun. more pcie1x extenders to cut up
1298 2011-05-09 07:41:04 <topi`> jrmithdobbs: beagles are funny animals, especially if one is used for hunting rabbits
1299 2011-05-09 07:41:39 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: ya we can't take her off leash anywhere because of all the dear around here
1300 2011-05-09 07:41:45 <jrmithdobbs> deer
1301 2011-05-09 07:42:04 <jrmithdobbs> she goes into that little butterfly sniff mode and doesn't hear a goddamned thing
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1305 2011-05-09 07:43:42 <jrmithdobbs> and the we find her 2 hours later tired as fuck rolling in dirt
1306 2011-05-09 07:43:43 <jrmithdobbs> haha
1307 2011-05-09 07:44:03 <jrmithdobbs> she's great though ;P
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1310 2011-05-09 07:46:11 <jrmithdobbs> also, if I have time i'm going to see if I can't fix backupwallet to use the *callers* pwd instead of the daemon's, that shit's annoying
1311 2011-05-09 07:46:18 <jrmithdobbs> tomorrow
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1315 2011-05-09 07:51:40 <topi`> damn, i've fed lots of shares to luke's pool but have no idea whatsoever if I ever get paid :)
1316 2011-05-09 07:52:55 <gjs278> well
1317 2011-05-09 07:52:58 <gjs278> I made a new address for it
1318 2011-05-09 07:53:00 <gjs278> that way I can tell
1319 2011-05-09 07:56:12 <topi`> i'm mining at 2 Mhash/s so it takes ages until I even get a payout
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1321 2011-05-09 07:56:38 <topi`> luke said there was a minimal amount of BTC for the payout to happen
1322 2011-05-09 07:57:13 <lfm> ;;bc,gen 2000
1323 2011-05-09 07:57:14 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 0.0183427948958 BTC per day and 0.000764283120658 BTC per hour.
1324 2011-05-09 07:57:16 <ersi> amazing how you bother, with that kind of rate :)
1325 2011-05-09 07:57:44 <topi`> ersi: why should I not mine? :) the GPU only gets slightly hot and with Diablo's miner does not impact desktop perf much
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1328 2011-05-09 07:58:08 <topi`> I'm mining above the profitability, at least until the diff hits 150k
1329 2011-05-09 07:58:18 <ersi> Heh, alrighty then
1330 2011-05-09 07:58:20 <topi`> http://uni.kaverit.org/cgi/calc.py <- you can calc your own profitability
1331 2011-05-09 07:58:24 <lfm> in 15 hours?
1332 2011-05-09 07:58:30 <topi`> oops, wrong host
1333 2011-05-09 07:58:39 <topi`> http://lorelei.kaverit.org/cgi/calc.py <- you can calc your own profitability
1334 2011-05-09 07:59:05 <topi`> right now, my elec cost per bitcoin is 1.05 EUR
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1336 2011-05-09 07:59:22 <topi`> as far as I see, one btc is worth more than 1 eur :)
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1338 2011-05-09 07:59:57 <topi`> even with the new difficulty, it seems i'm still below 1.5 eur per btc
1339 2011-05-09 07:59:58 <jrmithdobbs> ;;bc,gen 4000000
1340 2011-05-09 08:00:00 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 36.6855897916 BTC per day and 1.52856624132 BTC per hour.
1341 2011-05-09 08:00:17 <ersi> sure, but it'll take five hundred bazilion years before you'll get any. But I guess patience is a virtue
1342 2011-05-09 08:00:23 <jrmithdobbs> hrm, maybe i should be pooling
1343 2011-05-09 08:00:28 <retinal> ;;bc,gend 400000 [bc,estimate]
1344 2011-05-09 08:00:29 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 400000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 155970.27806247, is 2.57953859692 BTC per day and 0.107480774872 BTC per hour.
1345 2011-05-09 08:00:33 <topi`> ersi: I'm mining on the Geforce 9400M, integrated into the ION2 chip. probably the slowest chip that fully supports OpenCL :)
1346 2011-05-09 08:00:53 <topi`> ersi: I'm mining for a pool so that I get sub-btc coins :)
1347 2011-05-09 08:01:09 <topi`> for the past 4 weeks, I've already gotten 0.40 BTC payout from slush!
1348 2011-05-09 08:01:18 <topi`> and who knows, maybe one day you can buy a car for 0.40 BTC
1349 2011-05-09 08:01:32 <ersi> Yeah, heh
1350 2011-05-09 08:01:35 <lfm> and maybe not
1351 2011-05-09 08:01:38 <retinal> we'll all be swimming in cars by then
1352 2011-05-09 08:01:40 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: nah, i'm on a 320m
1353 2011-05-09 08:01:49 <topi`> lfm, this whole thing is just one huge bet :)
1354 2011-05-09 08:01:53 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: ~1300khash
1355 2011-05-09 08:02:01 <topi`> jrmithdobbs: wow, what machine is that?
1356 2011-05-09 08:02:08 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: macbook air ;P
1357 2011-05-09 08:02:11 <topi`> I thought the 320m was newer than the 9400m
1358 2011-05-09 08:02:20 <topi`> ah, that's why :D it probably has lower clocks
1359 2011-05-09 08:02:24 <jrmithdobbs> ya but slower
1360 2011-05-09 08:02:41 <topi`> jrmithdobbs: try "Hardware Monitor.app", it will show you how much your graphics core consumes watts
1361 2011-05-09 08:02:54 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: i don't actually mine off of it, haha
1362 2011-05-09 08:02:59 <topi`> there are extensive power measuring facilities in your AIr motherboard
1363 2011-05-09 08:03:03 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: it's my vmware test net ;P
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1365 2011-05-09 08:03:34 <topi`> jrmithdobbs: my wife loves the fact that the macbook fan stays silent even though I'm mining :)
1366 2011-05-09 08:04:02 <topi`> so no CPU mining for me.
1367 2011-05-09 08:04:29 <lfm> haha my 5770 fans stay silent even tho I am mining at 160000 khas/s
1368 2011-05-09 08:04:34 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: my 13" macbook (not pro, last gen whitebook before the metal unibodies) spins the fans up and gets loud as fuck
1369 2011-05-09 08:05:45 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
1370 2011-05-09 08:06:05 <topi`> jrmithdobbs: right, well, this is the first white unibody, so different motherboard
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1373 2011-05-09 08:06:37 <topi`> lfm: it's kind of unfair to compare desktops to notebooks
1374 2011-05-09 08:06:45 <topi`> the desktops have plenty of space to dissipate heat
1375 2011-05-09 08:06:47 <lfm> topi yup
1376 2011-05-09 08:07:10 <jrmithdobbs> erm, wtf
1377 2011-05-09 08:07:17 <jrmithdobbs> rpc.cpp:1251: error: âformatâ is not a member of âboostâ
1378 2011-05-09 08:07:26 <topi`> lfm: my solution: I bought a 6870 for my little brother so that he can mine for me :D
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1381 2011-05-09 08:07:49 <lfm> topi such a nice big brother
1382 2011-05-09 08:08:01 <Diablo-D3> ;bc,calc 1000000
1383 2011-05-09 08:08:03 <topi`> lfm: well, I'd like the coins to stay in the family ;)
1384 2011-05-09 08:08:07 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 1000000
1385 2011-05-09 08:08:07 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 5 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 29 seconds
1386 2011-05-09 08:08:10 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calcd 1000000
1387 2011-05-09 08:08:10 <lfm> or is it actually child slave labor
1388 2011-05-09 08:08:10 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
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1390 2011-05-09 08:08:31 <topi`> lfm: he's already adult, but still lives at parents'
1391 2011-05-09 08:08:36 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,help
1392 2011-05-09 08:08:36 <gribble> Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,deepbit, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,googlerate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,lukepool, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,mtgoxlast, Alias bc,nexttarget, (1 more message)
1393 2011-05-09 08:08:46 <topi`> lfm: the fate of the late comers! :)
1394 2011-05-09 08:08:58 <lfm> topi ok he is old enuf to send to the mines for you eh?
1395 2011-05-09 08:08:58 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,gen 1000000
1396 2011-05-09 08:08:59 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 9.1713974479 BTC per day and 0.382141560329 BTC per hour.
1397 2011-05-09 08:09:51 <jrmithdobbs> do i need to add a boost header to rpc.cpp to get boost::format or am I losing my mind?
1398 2011-05-09 08:10:25 <gjs278> use the boost to get through
1399 2011-05-09 08:10:30 <lfm> jrmithdobbs: what version boost is it?
1400 2011-05-09 08:10:40 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: 1.42
1401 2011-05-09 08:10:45 <gjs278> press left C
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1405 2011-05-09 08:13:48 <jrmithdobbs> i seriously have this bug fixed if i can just figure out why it's not finding boost::format, lol
1406 2011-05-09 08:14:26 <lfm> -l order in link command?
1407 2011-05-09 08:14:30 <gjs278> use the brakes
1408 2011-05-09 08:14:46 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: not even getting to linking, i'm just make rpc.o
1409 2011-05-09 08:15:11 <jrmithdobbs> maybe unnecessary anyways, sec
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1412 2011-05-09 08:21:16 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,gen 1000
1413 2011-05-09 08:21:18 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 0.0091713974479 BTC per day and 0.000382141560329 BTC per hour.
1414 2011-05-09 08:24:50 <jrmithdobbs> ok ya, got it working without boost::format, but i'm apparently not understanding the rpc flow right
1415 2011-05-09 08:24:52 <gjs278> never tell me the odds
1416 2011-05-09 08:24:57 <jrmithdobbs> too tired, fuck with this tomorrow
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1420 2011-05-09 08:25:58 <programme> jgarzik: are you there?
1421 2011-05-09 08:26:06 <programme> luke-jr: are you there?
1422 2011-05-09 08:26:44 <programme> i was able to make ufasoft miner to work with pushpoold by appliying the latest fixes on the mailine of the pushpoold project however
1423 2011-05-09 08:26:53 <programme> im still not able to make poclbm work on it
1424 2011-05-09 08:27:00 <programme> any ideas?
1425 2011-05-09 08:27:19 <jrmithdobbs> rpc.cpp backupwallet() is what's called in the calling binary when using the backupwallet commandline action right? the more i look the more this looks like the bitcoind side not the requestor
1426 2011-05-09 08:27:23 <programme> im trying to use tcpdump to see whats the difference beetween miners
1427 2011-05-09 08:27:53 <jrmithdobbs> wait no i'm on crack
1428 2011-05-09 08:27:57 <programme> what do you guys recommend to compare tcpdumps?
1429 2011-05-09 08:28:04 <jrmithdobbs> i'm going to bed before i destroy my working tree, lol
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1436 2011-05-09 08:32:34 <programme> what do you guys recommend to analyze a tcpdump output file? wireshark? ethareal?
1437 2011-05-09 08:32:48 <jrmithdobbs> some thing
1438 2011-05-09 08:33:49 <midnightmagic> eyeballs
1439 2011-05-09 08:33:57 <jrmithdobbs> err same
1440 2011-05-09 08:33:59 <midnightmagic> wireshark is lame.
1441 2011-05-09 08:34:14 <programme> midnightmagic: what do you recommend me?
1442 2011-05-09 08:34:34 <midnightmagic> find someone who can read dumps and ask them to read it for you..
1443 2011-05-09 08:34:38 <programme> midnightmagic: i already have the output file that tcpdump generated using the -w option now?
1444 2011-05-09 08:34:58 <programme> midnightmagic: i need to do it myself
1445 2011-05-09 08:35:02 <midnightmagic> it requires skill to even read the wireshark GUI.
1446 2011-05-09 08:35:08 <programme> midnightmagic: probably i can open the output on wireshark
1447 2011-05-09 08:35:18 <midnightmagic> similar skill to reading it from the command-line. however, wireshark will read that file.
1448 2011-05-09 08:35:42 <programme> midnightmagic: np i have the skills just that if i open the tcpdump directly i see weird characters at it
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1450 2011-05-09 08:36:19 <midnightmagic> tcpdump -vxX -s 2049 -r filename
1451 2011-05-09 08:38:36 <programme> midnightmagic: i just run it...
1452 2011-05-09 08:38:52 <midnightmagic> replace "filename" with the name of the file you say comes from a tcpdump -w
1453 2011-05-09 08:39:03 <midnightmagic> this channel kinda isn't really the place to ask about this, though.
1454 2011-05-09 08:41:05 <programme> midnightmagic: which channel do you recommend?
1455 2011-05-09 08:41:30 <ersi> meh, there's no one that *really* cares what discussion belongs in what channel
1456 2011-05-09 08:41:41 <ersi> but yeah, that's way off topic
1457 2011-05-09 08:41:57 <midnightmagic> programme: perhaps ##linux?
1458 2011-05-09 08:41:59 <gjs278> everything is on topic
1459 2011-05-09 08:42:01 <gjs278> no
1460 2011-05-09 08:42:03 <gjs278> don't go to linux
1461 2011-05-09 08:42:12 <gjs278> if you can't handle his question, leave
1462 2011-05-09 08:42:16 <gjs278> don't be a topic prick
1463 2011-05-09 08:43:47 <midnightmagic> i'll remember you said that.
1464 2011-05-09 08:43:53 <gjs278> good
1465 2011-05-09 08:44:12 <midnightmagic> you remember too, mkay?
1466 2011-05-09 08:44:17 <gjs278> this man needs assistance in developing bitcoin
1467 2011-05-09 08:44:49 <programme> im using tcpdump to debug a problem with pushpoold and the poclbm miner
1468 2011-05-09 08:45:21 <programme> just trying to figure out what poclbm miner is doing different to the other miners that works at my pool
1469 2011-05-09 08:45:43 <gjs278> wireshark you can filter is pretty well and then just read the packets of interest from there
1470 2011-05-09 08:46:03 <gjs278> filter it*
1471 2011-05-09 08:46:08 <programme> gjs278: cool ill try it, thxs
1472 2011-05-09 08:46:24 <midnightmagic> gjs278: dick, i don't see anyone else answering his question, and the nearest expertise that comes to my mind which can is in ##linux. you got a problem with a redirect? you answer his question better than I, or you show him where to find a tcpdump reader.
1473 2011-05-09 08:46:36 <gjs278> midnightmagic stop trolling
1474 2011-05-09 08:46:44 <midnightmagic> whatever
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1476 2011-05-09 08:47:56 <midnightmagic> change your rag..
1477 2011-05-09 08:48:12 <gjs278> hey!!!! I'm not a girl!!!!
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1482 2011-05-09 08:57:29 <x5x> heh wonder why the HN article got killed
1483 2011-05-09 08:57:44 <BlueMatt> HN?
1484 2011-05-09 08:57:47 <x5x> hacker news
1485 2011-05-09 08:57:49 <x5x> apenwarrs post
1486 2011-05-09 08:57:53 <gjs278> there was a hacker news article saying bitcoins were going to fail
1487 2011-05-09 08:57:56 <gjs278> and it got killed
1488 2011-05-09 08:57:56 <x5x> it was up there w lots of comments
1489 2011-05-09 08:58:18 <BlueMatt> ah
1490 2011-05-09 08:58:38 programme has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1491 2011-05-09 08:58:57 <gjs278> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2527969 this is a repost of it
1492 2011-05-09 08:59:18 <x5x> heh, thats the 3rd repost so far right ?
1493 2011-05-09 09:00:11 LightRider is now known as LightRider|afk
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1495 2011-05-09 09:00:51 <gjs278> some guy is really content on getting that blog traffic
1496 2011-05-09 09:03:54 <x5x> hehe, its funny how divisive bitcoins are
1497 2011-05-09 09:05:13 <Diablo-D3> damnit [Tycho]
1498 2011-05-09 09:05:22 <Diablo-D3> quit pressing deepbit's buttons
1499 2011-05-09 09:06:07 <gjs278> 03:59:01, long poll: backend error
1500 2011-05-09 09:06:09 <gjs278> kaboom
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1502 2011-05-09 09:06:23 <Diablo-D3> [5/9/11 4:59:12 AM] ERROR: Can't connect to Bitcoin: Bitcoin returned error message: backend error
1503 2011-05-09 09:06:27 <Diablo-D3> mine has extra fuck you spam
1504 2011-05-09 09:06:39 <gjs278> = 7.66 BTC in last 24h for 1.1 ghash is bs
1505 2011-05-09 09:06:45 <gjs278> I used to get 10 everytime
1506 2011-05-09 09:07:01 <Diablo-D3> well you know how share value is typically calculated, right?
1507 2011-05-09 09:07:10 <Diablo-D3> 50/difficulty
1508 2011-05-09 09:07:17 <Diablo-D3> difficulty goes up, share value goes down
1509 2011-05-09 09:07:30 <gjs278> 10 on this difficulty
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1511 2011-05-09 09:07:44 <gjs278> although according to this handy calculator on deep
1512 2011-05-09 09:07:48 <gjs278> my average is supposed to be PPS: 8.96 BTC/24h
1513 2011-05-09 09:07:51 <gjs278> so it works out
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1516 2011-05-09 09:08:47 <Diablo-D3> 1.1 ghash?
1517 2011-05-09 09:09:05 <gjs278> yeah
1518 2011-05-09 09:09:09 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,gen 1100000
1519 2011-05-09 09:09:21 <gjs278> gribble respond
1520 2011-05-09 09:09:21 <Diablo-D3> come on you goddamned bot
1521 2011-05-09 09:09:31 <Diablo-D3> gribble: you fuck wit, stop lagging
1522 2011-05-09 09:09:44 <gjs278> he needs his transaction fee
1523 2011-05-09 09:09:51 <gjs278> or he'll take 10 minutes to process your request
1524 2011-05-09 09:09:54 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1100000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 10.0885371927 BTC per day and 0.420355716362 BTC per hour.
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1526 2011-05-09 09:11:08 <gjs278> http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/744/screenshotwt.png
1527 2011-05-09 09:11:12 <gjs278> I don't know who to believe
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1530 2011-05-09 09:11:56 <Strom> gjs278, those two match
1531 2011-05-09 09:12:03 <Strom> PPS is 10% lower payout than avarage
1532 2011-05-09 09:12:13 <gjs278> oh right
1533 2011-05-09 09:12:14 <Diablo-D3> er, on deepbit?
1534 2011-05-09 09:12:14 <gjs278> nevermind
1535 2011-05-09 09:12:23 <gjs278> we're doing proportional
1536 2011-05-09 09:12:27 <Diablo-D3> oh
1537 2011-05-09 09:12:32 <gjs278> 9.08 is your guaranteed rate
1538 2011-05-09 09:12:33 <Diablo-D3> because I thought deepbit didnt feewhore
1539 2011-05-09 09:13:18 <gjs278> well the 3% fee is kind of ridiculous now with the price of coin
1540 2011-05-09 09:13:26 <gjs278> when he was taking 3 out of 100 at 50 cents each
1541 2011-05-09 09:13:28 <gjs278> whatever
1542 2011-05-09 09:13:36 <gjs278> but 3 out of 100 now is $10
1543 2011-05-09 09:14:01 <Strom> well the high fees open a nice possibility for pool competition
1544 2011-05-09 09:14:43 <gjs278> deepbit is like the only server that doesn't tard kill the entire pool on people
1545 2011-05-09 09:15:24 <gjs278> I'd probably be just as even if I were taking the 2% fee and going down on mining.bitcoin.cz
1546 2011-05-09 09:18:08 <Diablo-D3> "tard kill"
1547 2011-05-09 09:18:20 <Diablo-D3> NEXT TIME ON DRAGON BALL Z.... TARD KILL, WHO WILL WIN
1548 2011-05-09 09:18:34 <Diablo-D3> holy fuck are we still on namek?!
1549 2011-05-09 09:19:03 <gjs278> next time on dragon ball z... gohan charges for 30 minutes
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1551 2011-05-09 09:19:18 <gjs278> next time on dragon ball z... gohan missed
1552 2011-05-09 09:20:04 <gjs278> the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is such a dumb idea
1553 2011-05-09 09:20:19 <gjs278> just let cell absorb you, give up
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1555 2011-05-09 09:20:54 <Diablo-D3> wait, was it gohan?
1556 2011-05-09 09:20:58 <gjs278> yes
1557 2011-05-09 09:21:02 <gjs278> well gohan trained in the chamber
1558 2011-05-09 09:21:05 <gjs278> gohan kills cell
1559 2011-05-09 09:21:06 <gjs278> http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100513150808/dragonball/images/c/c9/GohanSSIIVsCellNV.png
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1561 2011-05-09 09:21:08 <Diablo-D3> was that the one where he spent an entire fucking episode charging up?
1562 2011-05-09 09:21:18 <Diablo-D3> next episode, fires it and misses it
1563 2011-05-09 09:21:19 <gjs278> thats every episode
1564 2011-05-09 09:21:35 <gjs278> I'm checking
1565 2011-05-09 09:21:54 <gjs278> actually it was goku
1566 2011-05-09 09:21:57 <[Tycho]> gjs278, look at the stats page - we had lower luck in last 24 hours. That's the reason.
1567 2011-05-09 09:22:01 <Diablo-D3> yeah thought it was goku
1568 2011-05-09 09:22:06 <gjs278> yeah I figured
1569 2011-05-09 09:22:15 <gjs278> two days or so I pulled in an 11 so it's all good
1570 2011-05-09 09:22:18 <Diablo-D3> gohan never did anything worth while
1571 2011-05-09 09:22:38 <Diablo-D3> I mean, fuck, did ANYONE do anything?
1572 2011-05-09 09:22:56 <Diablo-D3> I think everyone spent a season dead at some point or another
1573 2011-05-09 09:22:57 <gjs278> http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4764/screenshotjmu.png
1574 2011-05-09 09:23:05 <Diablo-D3> up to the point its a running joke about taking a vacation
1575 2011-05-09 09:24:22 <gjs278> the only dbz game I've ever played was a mod for warcraft 3
1576 2011-05-09 09:24:25 <gjs278> and killing cell was impossible
1577 2011-05-09 09:24:27 <Diablo-D3> "1 minute per episode"
1578 2011-05-09 09:24:34 <Diablo-D3> aka ARE WE STILL ON NAMEK?!
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1580 2011-05-09 09:25:18 <gjs278> I could never follow what was going on when I was watching it at age 9
1581 2011-05-09 09:25:20 <gjs278> I mean
1582 2011-05-09 09:25:25 <gjs278> I could tell what was happening with pokemon
1583 2011-05-09 09:25:30 <gjs278> but no idea with dbz
1584 2011-05-09 09:25:51 <gjs278> oh look he's punching stuff in the chamber really fast again
1585 2011-05-09 09:27:21 <Diablo-D3> erm, dude, pokemon wasnt even around when I was 9
1586 2011-05-09 09:27:34 <gjs278> maybe 10
1587 2011-05-09 09:27:40 <Diablo-D3> I think we were still bitching about how much hax black lotuses were in unlimited edition
1588 2011-05-09 09:27:46 <Diablo-D3> and how none of us would ever touch one
1589 2011-05-09 09:29:30 <gjs278> I have only owned 60 magic cards in my life
1590 2011-05-09 09:30:13 <Diablo-D3> man
1591 2011-05-09 09:30:18 <Diablo-D3> I have not played mtg for over a decade.
1592 2011-05-09 09:30:42 <gjs278> I played pokemon at toys r us
1593 2011-05-09 09:30:49 <gjs278> and this one kid would get japanese cards
1594 2011-05-09 09:30:54 <gjs278> and just write whatever the fuck he wanted on them
1595 2011-05-09 09:31:09 <gjs278> his beedrill could stun you
1596 2011-05-09 09:31:21 <gjs278> only if he flipped heads
1597 2011-05-09 09:31:26 <gjs278> but if that coin ever touched anything
1598 2011-05-09 09:31:30 <gjs278> INTERFERENCE REFLIP
1599 2011-05-09 09:34:19 <jrmithdobbs> people still play stupid rpg card games where you have to seek out $100+ cards?
1600 2011-05-09 09:34:22 <jrmithdobbs> retarded
1601 2011-05-09 09:35:12 <jrmithdobbs> i thought magic/etc died long ago?
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1603 2011-05-09 09:40:45 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: this is what we were talking about
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1605 2011-05-09 09:41:42 <jrmithdobbs> that makes some of someone's twats i follow make a lot more sense
1606 2011-05-09 09:41:43 <jrmithdobbs> haha
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1614 2011-05-09 10:07:54 <jrmithdobbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/209 <3
1615 2011-05-09 10:08:26 <jrmithdobbs> that was annoying me way more than it should have.
1616 2011-05-09 10:09:26 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: i'm working on a dumpwallet patch that will output a human-readable dump of a wallet (including secret keys) directly in JSON
1617 2011-05-09 10:10:18 <sipa> the problem here is that backupwallet is an RPC call, and is hard to make it look like it was executed by the client
1618 2011-05-09 10:10:36 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: oh good, i wont waste time on that
1619 2011-05-09 10:10:37 <jrmithdobbs> lol
1620 2011-05-09 10:10:49 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: cause that was where i was going
1621 2011-05-09 10:11:38 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: i just kept forgetting what dir bitcoind had been started from and getting confused when i ran backupwallet and that was a quick fix.
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1623 2011-05-09 10:12:08 <sipa> and the corresponding importwallet call will take a filename (interpreted by the client as a special case), and send it as json code to the server in the rpc call
1624 2011-05-09 10:13:06 <jrmithdobbs> ya it makes more sense to have it respond with json and save it on the client side and vice versa
1625 2011-05-09 10:14:12 <sipa> now, it can't replace backupwallet entirely
1626 2011-05-09 10:15:26 <jrmithdobbs> i'm sure the issue addressed in that patch has annoyed someone besides me, if you're not going to drop backupwallet completely ;P
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1629 2011-05-09 10:18:58 <sacarlson> I found a cool mtgox api tool in python but having a problem with certificates anyone know how to add mtgox cert to pycurl ? pycurl.error: (60, 'server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none')
1630 2011-05-09 10:20:22 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: maybe backupwallet needs to be reworked to encode the actual resulting bdb files in json and have the client write that as well?
1631 2011-05-09 10:22:43 <sipa> that's indeed a possibility
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1633 2011-05-09 10:23:05 <sipa> or base64 encode the file, and transport that over rpc :)
1634 2011-05-09 10:23:27 <jrmithdobbs> ya, that's how you'd dump binary data in json
1635 2011-05-09 10:24:25 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: let me sleep on it and i'll take a stab at it.
1636 2011-05-09 10:24:31 <jrmithdobbs> 'night
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1642 2011-05-09 10:45:45 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
1643 2011-05-09 10:45:47 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122869 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 106 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 36 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 156045.85066675
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1651 2011-05-09 11:42:57 <sgornick> Ha! "This open source project was created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto and was formally announced by Google in March 2010."
1652 2011-05-09 11:43:02 <sgornick> http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Bangalore/article2001732.ece
1653 2011-05-09 11:43:18 <BlueMatt> wtf????
1654 2011-05-09 11:44:09 <sgornick> "BitCoin is yet to make an impact among Indian users. But considering the thousands of PayPal customers who suffered last year when the firm withdrew services from India, this is one idea that is likely to catch on among freelancers and small businesses."
1655 2011-05-09 11:44:25 <BlueMatt> now that is true
1656 2011-05-09 11:44:46 <sgornick> BlueMatt: Ya, it will get interesting.
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1658 2011-05-09 11:46:31 <sgornick> Well, there are now twice as many "accepting" nodes in India as there were the last time I checked. (up to 2 now).
1659 2011-05-09 11:46:33 <sgornick> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=https://smsz.net/btcStats/bitcoin.kml
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1662 2011-05-09 11:48:45 <sgornick> 1 for every 605,000,000 people.
1663 2011-05-09 11:50:13 <sgornick> there must be more. I wonder if the ones that work for companies HQ'd elsewhere are on VPN and show up as being at HQ location than in India.
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1669 2011-05-09 11:55:15 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
1670 2011-05-09 11:55:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122881 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 94 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 10 hours, 15 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 156297.17820222
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1674 2011-05-09 12:08:43 <da2ce7> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7626.0
1675 2011-05-09 12:08:49 <da2ce7> oooh I feel sorry
1676 2011-05-09 12:08:50 <da2ce7> :P
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1678 2011-05-09 12:14:18 <[Tycho]> You can also feel sorry for him: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=782.0
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1682 2011-05-09 12:14:58 <BlueMatt> lol, I have a feeling that one isn't quite right
1683 2011-05-09 12:15:54 <tcatm> the 9000 BTC lost?
1684 2011-05-09 12:16:01 <BlueMatt> yea
1685 2011-05-09 12:16:17 <tcatm> He mailed me his wallet.
1686 2011-05-09 12:16:25 <BlueMatt> and...?
1687 2011-05-09 12:16:51 <tcatm> As in his post. 8900 send to an address noone has a privkey for.
1688 2011-05-09 12:16:52 <BlueMatt> hence the 8900 BTC spent to an address he didnt spend to ;)
1689 2011-05-09 12:17:27 <da2ce7> :O that would be very painfull now
1690 2011-05-09 12:17:31 <BlueMatt> hm, so his client sent to an invalid address for the spare change?
1691 2011-05-09 12:17:44 <tcatm> It was before we had the keypool
1692 2011-05-09 12:17:50 <BlueMatt> ah, ok
1693 2011-05-09 12:17:58 <da2ce7> fuck that would hurt...
1694 2011-05-09 12:18:04 <tcatm> So he split a 9000 BTC coin, restored backup and thus didn't get the 8900 BTC change.
1695 2011-05-09 12:18:24 <da2ce7> yep
1696 2011-05-09 12:18:24 <BlueMatt> good thing we have keypool :)
1697 2011-05-09 12:18:37 <da2ce7> keypool is the bomb!
1698 2011-05-09 12:19:12 <da2ce7> I think that we should set the default too 1000
1699 2011-05-09 12:19:22 <JFK911> how do we collide that private key and get those 8999 btc
1700 2011-05-09 12:19:22 <da2ce7> 100 is just too low.
1701 2011-05-09 12:19:30 <tcatm> Yep, until just recently I decrypted my savings wallet and almost lost quite a few coins because somehow bitcoin didn't create the keypool when I created that wallet
1702 2011-05-09 12:20:01 <sipa> it only does so at the time the first new address is created, i think
1703 2011-05-09 12:20:19 <da2ce7> sipa that is such a stupid way to do it.
1704 2011-05-09 12:20:21 <BlueMatt> yep
1705 2011-05-09 12:20:35 <tcatm> Probably. I created that wallet, got the first address and made an encrypted backup.
1706 2011-05-09 12:20:38 <da2ce7> it needs to 'always' have 100 or 1000 keys ahead.
1707 2011-05-09 12:20:46 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: if you have time to fix it, please do (so that people enter passwords at decrypt time instead of at startup)
1708 2011-05-09 12:21:10 <da2ce7> BlueMatt, me != cypto code.
1709 2011-05-09 12:21:39 <Blitzboom> iâd like a keypool of 9999999999 and a .txt file with those public keys
1710 2011-05-09 12:21:40 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: Ive got the crypto, you just have to move the keypool generation
1711 2011-05-09 12:22:25 <sipa> BlueMatt: only the public keys?
1712 2011-05-09 12:22:36 <BlueMatt> sipa: no only the private keys
1713 2011-05-09 12:22:37 <BlueMatt> ?
1714 2011-05-09 12:23:10 <BlueMatt> sipa: they are kinda generated together so Im assuming Im misunderstanding that comment
1715 2011-05-09 12:23:13 <da2ce7> what we should have is a 'master public key' and 'master private key' that we use for encripting and decripting all our other keys.
1716 2011-05-09 12:23:34 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: look at my pull request ;)
1717 2011-05-09 12:23:45 <BlueMatt> (though its symmetric and not public keys)
1718 2011-05-09 12:24:19 <da2ce7> BlueMatt it should be public keys, except for the passphase for the private key.
1719 2011-05-09 12:24:25 <da2ce7> that is a much more secure design.
1720 2011-05-09 12:24:31 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: not really
1721 2011-05-09 12:24:34 <BlueMatt> in fact, not at all
1722 2011-05-09 12:24:44 <BlueMatt> now you depend on two cryptosystems instead of one
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1724 2011-05-09 12:25:01 <BlueMatt> why do people always think that is a more secure design...its less secure, by a ton
1725 2011-05-09 12:25:10 <BlueMatt> it does, however, offer some more real-world advantages
1726 2011-05-09 12:25:14 <da2ce7> As you can make new keys without suppling your private key.
1727 2011-05-09 12:25:21 <BlueMatt> such as ease of chaning password
1728 2011-05-09 12:25:28 <BlueMatt> no you cant
1729 2011-05-09 12:25:45 <BlueMatt> you have to encrypt new private keys no matter how you do it
1730 2011-05-09 12:25:54 <sipa> what would be possible
1731 2011-05-09 12:26:03 <da2ce7> yes you can... make a private key in private, encript it to the to the 'master public key'
1732 2011-05-09 12:26:09 <sipa> is to store the private keys using assymetric encryption
1733 2011-05-09 12:26:28 <sipa> with the public key stored just in the wallet itself
1734 2011-05-09 12:26:36 <sipa> and the private key encrypted with a passphrase
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1736 2011-05-09 12:26:46 <BlueMatt> Yes, I agree, that is a good design...but it is less secure
1737 2011-05-09 12:26:54 <BlueMatt> it does, however, offer many advantages
1738 2011-05-09 12:26:56 <da2ce7> BlueMatt, how?
1739 2011-05-09 12:27:09 <da2ce7> is it less secure... it just just as secure.
1740 2011-05-09 12:27:22 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: because you are depending on the security of both your symmetric key algo and your privkey algo
1741 2011-05-09 12:27:30 <BlueMatt> yea, its only by a tiny bit but...
1742 2011-05-09 12:28:01 <da2ce7> Blue providing you pick sane keylengths, it is just as secure ... aka 100% secure.
1743 2011-05-09 12:28:35 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: very true...but encryption systems have been broken before and will be again in the future
1744 2011-05-09 12:28:44 <BlueMatt> so its best to depend on as little as possible
1745 2011-05-09 12:30:03 <BlueMatt> sipa: the thing with that design anyway is that it is only really that much more advantageous when you have enough encrypted material that it takes a long time to reencrypt it to change the password
1746 2011-05-09 12:30:13 <BlueMatt> with the current patch...it takes very little time anyway
1747 2011-05-09 12:31:30 <da2ce7> there should be 3 layers of security for a wallet... First: Golbal wallet encription. So that a hacker cannot see 'what' keys you own.
1748 2011-05-09 12:31:46 <da2ce7> Second: Master Pub-Private keypair.
1749 2011-05-09 12:32:01 <da2ce7> Third Optional Subkeys.
1750 2011-05-09 12:32:14 <BlueMatt> that is 2 layers of security
1751 2011-05-09 12:32:44 <da2ce7> no, 3. optional subkeys allows you to have some keys needing a extra passphase to use.
1752 2011-05-09 12:33:02 <BlueMatt> but anyway, I disagree there...encrypting asymmetrically offers no benefit for us...yea its great for truecrypt and such but that doesnt mean its beneficial for us
1753 2011-05-09 12:33:13 <BlueMatt> ah, ok well thats a cool idea
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1764 2011-05-09 12:47:46 <eps1> anyone seen this? http://j.mp/iCyIbL
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1766 2011-05-09 12:48:20 <BlueMatt> why use url shorteners for irc?
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1768 2011-05-09 12:48:48 <BlueMatt> and yea, its just some douche who doesnt fully understand bitcoin makes some ok points but never thinks it all the way through
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1770 2011-05-09 12:49:23 <jaromil> re: security check this out http://tomb.dyne.org git://code.dyne.org/tomb.git
1771 2011-05-09 12:49:34 <jaromil> i'm almost done with version 1.0
1772 2011-05-09 12:49:45 <jaromil> gnu/linux only FWIW
1773 2011-05-09 12:49:58 <eps1> yeah, he completely ignores any advantages bitcoin has over gold
1774 2011-05-09 12:50:36 <BlueMatt> he just doesnt think it all the way through, just some douche who wants traffic
1775 2011-05-09 12:50:47 <BlueMatt> jaromil: cool, any major advantages over truecrypt and the like?
1776 2011-05-09 12:51:05 <jaromil> but ok if you need security and FAST. pay me bitcoins and i'll code a new minimal gtk gui complete with encryption support for bitcoind, providing distro packages ready to use
1777 2011-05-09 12:51:23 <jaromil> BlueMatt: your answer is answered on the homepage
1778 2011-05-09 12:51:34 <BlueMatt> jaromil: oh sorry, guess I didnt read long enough
1779 2011-05-09 12:51:36 <jaromil> in short: bind-hooks that mount things in place when you open the tomb
1780 2011-05-09 12:51:47 <jaromil> plus readability and linkage of peer reviewed shared libs
1781 2011-05-09 12:52:03 <jaromil> srsly, call me paranoid, but i don't trust truecrypt
1782 2011-05-09 12:52:07 <BlueMatt> ah, ok...well if you want bitcoin security now, you could just merge my branch and compile
1783 2011-05-09 12:52:26 <jaromil> yea? you have wallet.dat encryption ?
1784 2011-05-09 12:52:34 <BlueMatt> only privkeys
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1786 2011-05-09 12:52:41 <BlueMatt> its in a pull request too
1787 2011-05-09 12:52:47 <jaromil> ok! good
1788 2011-05-09 12:53:00 <jaromil> speaking of which
1789 2011-05-09 12:53:03 <BlueMatt> though still not ideal but...
1790 2011-05-09 12:53:17 <jaromil> i just finished pushing over tomb now i'll make a break then see if i can move our autotools fwd
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1792 2011-05-09 12:54:08 <BlueMatt> nice
1793 2011-05-09 12:54:15 <ersi> eps1: seen and dismissed as random bull
1794 2011-05-09 12:54:35 <ersi> The unfortunate thing is I've read stuff from him before, which was coherent and reasonable :/
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1797 2011-05-09 12:56:42 <BlueMatt> wtf is up with virustotal these days, it never seems to respond
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1799 2011-05-09 12:57:21 <ArtForz> sorry, but his older articles are similar bullshit
1800 2011-05-09 12:57:22 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|hey all.
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1804 2011-05-09 12:59:17 <ArtForz> looks mostly like trolling to get pageviews
1805 2011-05-09 12:59:36 <da2ce7> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7575.0
1806 2011-05-09 12:59:50 <da2ce7> the kama system is so not working.
1807 2011-05-09 13:00:10 <edcba> kama ?
1808 2011-05-09 13:00:23 <ersi> karma
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1810 2011-05-09 13:00:28 <ersi> Reputation
1811 2011-05-09 13:00:32 <BlueMatt> whats up with that, it was on for a couple days then all the links went away?
1812 2011-05-09 13:01:07 <da2ce7> lol, it is stupid cause it is a joke, and noobies may take downvotes seriously
1813 2011-05-09 13:01:37 <BlueMatt> ;;seen sirius
1814 2011-05-09 13:01:37 <gribble> sirius was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 4 days, 11 hours, 49 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <sirius> luke-jr: no
1815 2011-05-09 13:01:50 <BlueMatt> why is our webhost never online?
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1817 2011-05-09 13:02:28 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|what would you recommend with 3 x 5870 solo mining or a pool like deepbit?
1818 2011-05-09 13:02:37 <da2ce7> no deepbit
1819 2011-05-09 13:02:39 <JFK911> im launching a site that pays bitcoins to fat ladies if they lose weight
1820 2011-05-09 13:02:39 <da2ce7> use the others!
1821 2011-05-09 13:02:56 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|Luke-Jr or slush?
1822 2011-05-09 13:03:05 <da2ce7> luke-jr is the best
1823 2011-05-09 13:03:07 <JFK911> da2ce7: why not deepbit?
1824 2011-05-09 13:03:21 <da2ce7> they are too big, and take way heaps of fees
1825 2011-05-09 13:03:32 <JFK911> yes they are big
1826 2011-05-09 13:03:37 <BlueMatt> JFK911: brilliant, though you might want to pay in food instead...oh wait...
1827 2011-05-09 13:03:37 <JFK911> have no idea what fees they take
1828 2011-05-09 13:03:39 <da2ce7> use: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Eligius
1829 2011-05-09 13:03:47 <JFK911> BlueMatt: well i guess they will go straight to coincard
1830 2011-05-09 13:03:53 <JFK911> since paypal is crap
1831 2011-05-09 13:04:22 <da2ce7> pp is shitter than my shit.
1832 2011-05-09 13:04:26 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|hmm okie
1833 2011-05-09 13:04:28 <da2ce7> :O
1834 2011-05-09 13:04:53 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|but with the current difficulty am I still able to get 50 BTC like every 4 5 days with 3 x 5870 ?
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1836 2011-05-09 13:05:25 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|or 95% 13 days, acording to bitcoin calculator.
1837 2011-05-09 13:05:33 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|if I solo mine.
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1839 2011-05-09 13:05:40 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 850000
1840 2011-05-09 13:05:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 850000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 6 days, 9 hours, 55 minutes, and 52 seconds
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1842 2011-05-09 13:05:46 <JFK911> ;;bc,calcd 850000 160000
1843 2011-05-09 13:05:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 850000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 160000, is 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 34 minutes, and 24 seconds
1844 2011-05-09 13:06:00 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|;;bc,calc 1200000
1845 2011-05-09 13:06:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 4 days, 13 hours, 2 minutes, and 4 seconds
1846 2011-05-09 13:06:06 <BlueMatt> is it just me or did all the reputation points just dissapear from the forum??
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1848 2011-05-09 13:06:44 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|so I guess solo it is.
1849 2011-05-09 13:06:47 * da2ce7 wants more bitcoin!
1850 2011-05-09 13:07:02 <JFK911> you can have 5 btc to wash my cat
1851 2011-05-09 13:07:06 <Sedra> ;;bc,calc 421000
1852 2011-05-09 13:07:07 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 421000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes, and 15 seconds
1853 2011-05-09 13:07:24 <Sedra> ill be staying in the pool :)
1854 2011-05-09 13:07:37 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|Whats the price in BTC for information regarding making a pool like deepbit?
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1857 2011-05-09 13:09:07 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
1858 2011-05-09 13:09:10 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|you just setup a bitcoind and make people join ? :)
1859 2011-05-09 13:09:10 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122896 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 79 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 36 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 156558.85730152
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1862 2011-05-09 13:09:37 <BlueMatt> kreal|: and some kind of rpc proxy like jgarzik's pushpoold
1863 2011-05-09 13:09:39 <da2ce7> kreal|, if you want everyone to steal your coins from you...
1864 2011-05-09 13:09:58 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|nah was a jule da2ce7
1865 2011-05-09 13:10:09 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|im currently investigation how to make a good pool
1866 2011-05-09 13:10:33 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|investigating*
1867 2011-05-09 13:10:55 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1458.0;all
1868 2011-05-09 13:11:03 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|is a good place to start right?
1869 2011-05-09 13:11:25 <BlueMatt> no thats an old thing that never caught on
1870 2011-05-09 13:11:31 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|okie
1871 2011-05-09 13:11:35 <BlueMatt> none of the miners support that
1872 2011-05-09 13:11:40 <BlueMatt> try jgarzik's pushpoold
1873 2011-05-09 13:11:49 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|probably why I couldnt get it to work.
1874 2011-05-09 13:11:56 <Sedra> ;;bc,calc 421000 160000
1875 2011-05-09 13:11:58 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
1876 2011-05-09 13:12:17 <Sedra> ;;bc,calcd 421000 160000
1877 2011-05-09 13:12:17 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 421000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 160000, is 2 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 51 seconds
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1880 2011-05-09 13:16:53 <Sedra> [426.50 Mhash/sec] [533 Accepted] [27 Rejected] [RPC] Would you guys say that level of rejection is ok or should I maybe reduce my overclocking a little?
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1883 2011-05-09 13:26:56 <kreal> !~kris@87.72.198.21|anyhow back to reading.
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1885 2011-05-09 13:27:26 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: is there any merit to Intels 3D transistors? Are they as useful as they are hyping them?
1886 2011-05-09 13:27:48 <ArtForz> yea
1887 2011-05-09 13:28:33 <BlueMatt> cool
1888 2011-05-09 13:28:37 <ArtForz> though it's not entirely accurate
1889 2011-05-09 13:29:00 <ArtForz> finfets are neither new nor particulary fast
1890 2011-05-09 13:29:02 <BlueMatt> how so?
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1893 2011-05-09 13:29:51 <BlueMatt> so why is your first answer "yea"
1894 2011-05-09 13:30:01 <ArtForz> less leakage at same perf as planars
1895 2011-05-09 13:30:21 <BlueMatt> and why is global foundry et al not using them then?
1896 2011-05-09 13:30:39 <ArtForz> mainly because so far it wasn't really that neccessary
1897 2011-05-09 13:30:45 <BlueMatt> ah
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1900 2011-05-09 13:32:16 <BlueMatt> how long before amd is building procs and gcards with them?
1901 2011-05-09 13:32:18 <ArtForz> basically the next solution to "leakage getting out of hand" that required moving to high-K dielectric at 45nm
1902 2011-05-09 13:32:43 <ArtForz> dunno, could be 2 years or so
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1907 2011-05-09 13:43:20 <diki> ;;bc,stats
1908 2011-05-09 13:43:22 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122899 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 76 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 156617.99979573
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1910 2011-05-09 13:43:38 <diki> in 8 hours...solo goes hard
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1912 2011-05-09 13:43:58 <diki> so does pooled mining and so do the shares in deepbit
1913 2011-05-09 13:43:58 <BlueMatt> its not hard at 100k?
1914 2011-05-09 13:44:21 <diki> it's harder now
1915 2011-05-09 13:44:32 <diki> but it will be even harder later
1916 2011-05-09 13:45:11 <diki> you know...if you ask me, the difficulty would stabilize one day and stop at a certain point
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1919 2011-05-09 13:45:50 <diki> because it will be so hard to mine, that even with all the hardware power, we won't be able to mine them
1920 2011-05-09 13:45:57 <diki> and it will drop and stop
1921 2011-05-09 13:46:13 <TD> ArtForz: how is your asic miner going? are all the stability problems ironed out now?
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1927 2011-05-09 13:56:51 <mtrlt> diki: yes, the ratio btc_value / difficulty will stabilize one day
1928 2011-05-09 13:57:51 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
1929 2011-05-09 13:57:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 47960468.1387 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 41 seconds
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1931 2011-05-09 13:59:44 <mtrlt> almost 50GH already? :>
1932 2011-05-09 13:59:50 <mtrlt> quite nice
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1934 2011-05-09 14:01:27 <luke-jr> I think I need to set it up to call me if it stops working :P
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1937 2011-05-09 14:02:35 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
1938 2011-05-09 14:02:36 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122900 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 75 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 11 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 156402.85275587
1939 2011-05-09 14:02:39 <mtrlt> yea, run through a speech synth: "help, i'm dying :("
1940 2011-05-09 14:02:48 <luke-jr> kreal|: you don't *have* 4-5 days left this difficulty ;)
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1948 2011-05-09 14:12:22 <foggyb> hey any issues with 6950's? im going to build two rigs with a gaggle of them.
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1950 2011-05-09 14:13:21 <foggyb> i can get them cheaper than 5870's, power is less, and performance is just behind 5870
1951 2011-05-09 14:13:37 <diki> buy reference for unlocking the shaders
1952 2011-05-09 14:13:57 <foggyb> sapphire?
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1955 2011-05-09 14:14:25 <diki> google around
1956 2011-05-09 14:14:43 <diki> for the brands that can
1957 2011-05-09 14:14:49 <foggyb> sapphire has bios switch, is that the same thing?
1958 2011-05-09 14:14:56 skyewm has joined
1959 2011-05-09 14:15:02 <foggyb> or is it not in bios?
1960 2011-05-09 14:15:23 <diki> dunno
1961 2011-05-09 14:15:49 <foggyb> actually i meant powercolor - that is the card im buying
1962 2011-05-09 14:15:56 <diki> usuall you unlock with bios flash
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1965 2011-05-09 14:18:40 <diki> http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159
1966 2011-05-09 14:19:02 <foggyb> what kind of mhash improvements will i see with unlocking shaders?
1967 2011-05-09 14:19:09 <foggyb> all i see is game benchies
1968 2011-05-09 14:19:26 <foggyb> they only saw performance boosts when unlocking shaders + OC
1969 2011-05-09 14:21:51 <diki> do it if you like, i am not forcing you nor do i own a 6950
1970 2011-05-09 14:26:59 <foggyb> i most certainly will ... ;^)
1971 2011-05-09 14:27:26 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: pong? you sent some msg via gribble or something?
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1973 2011-05-09 14:29:59 <genjix> gavinandresen: did you get my email reply?
1974 2011-05-09 14:30:38 <gavinandresen> genjix about what?
1975 2011-05-09 14:31:18 <genjix> 1 May 2011 replying to your email
1976 2011-05-09 14:31:56 <genjix> gavinandresen: btw how did your CIA thing go? Might be a nice idea to post a follow up in your thread :)
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1978 2011-05-09 14:32:26 <gavinandresen> my cia thing happens June 14th
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1980 2011-05-09 14:33:16 <BlueMatt> does anyone happen to know the requirements for not appearing in symanted/f-secure's avs when we release new code?
1981 2011-05-09 14:33:35 <genjix> gavinandresen: http://pastebin.com/Fffb2ZWc
1982 2011-05-09 14:33:44 <BlueMatt> Im assuming something to do with code signing, but what cas are valid and/or do we need ca's?
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1987 2011-05-09 14:35:41 <gavinandresen> genjix: oh, that email: yup, I did get it.
1988 2011-05-09 14:35:48 <genjix> kk
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1995 2011-05-09 14:45:28 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Chris Howie diablo-lp-fix * rf4cd17aba105 mining-proxy/htdocs/index.php: Fix for DiabloMiner, which uses POST for long polling requests instead of GET http://tinyurl.com/6d4mutz
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1998 2011-05-09 14:50:42 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: good for you. I say leave it that way. LP should have always used POST, just like bitcoind.
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2001 2011-05-09 14:53:12 <luke-jr> SerajewelKS: I don't think that will actually fix itâ¦
2002 2011-05-09 14:53:23 <luke-jr> SerajewelKS: you need to change $_GET to $_REQUEST, IIRC
2003 2011-05-09 14:54:52 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: it appears the only way to avoid the av detection when we first release (for now) is to buy a codesigning cert (I cant seem to find any free ones) and I think the best way would be for the community to pay you and you get the cert to sign the windows releases (pretty easy if you have some ms sdk installed)
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2005 2011-05-09 14:55:27 <CIA-30> bitcoin: pharaon * r046b1e243c22 mining-proxy/htdocs/models/worker-pool.inc.php: Error: missing an "," at line 96 http://tinyurl.com/3lszqqw
2006 2011-05-09 14:55:29 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Chris Howie * r33e8f23ef546 mining-proxy/htdocs/models/worker-pool.inc.php: Merge pull request #6 from pharaon/patch-1 http://tinyurl.com/3trkahg
2007 2011-05-09 14:55:34 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: I don't have any MS SDK...
2008 2011-05-09 14:55:42 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: that would be free...
2009 2011-05-09 14:55:53 <BlueMatt> visual studio or whatever works
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2011 2011-05-09 14:56:48 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: can mingw codesign? It'd be nice if the windows build process didn't have extra hoops to jump through.
2012 2011-05-09 14:57:24 <BlueMatt> I dont think so...but it would be much more appropriate if one person held the codesigning key
2013 2011-05-09 14:57:28 <gavinandresen> I'm also not sure I can release build machine virtual images if they contain visual studio (no permission to redistribute)
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2015 2011-05-09 14:57:32 <BlueMatt> not exactly something you want to be sending around
2016 2011-05-09 14:58:00 <gavinandresen> mmmmm.... centralized infrastructure fricking fracking....
2017 2011-05-09 14:58:22 <sipa> how does codesigning work? is it a signature inside the binary?
2018 2011-05-09 14:58:30 <jgarzik> what is this AV problem?
2019 2011-05-09 14:58:39 <jgarzik> cpuminer and other mingw32 apps do not flag, for me
2020 2011-05-09 14:58:43 <BlueMatt> well I was thinking (or TD was suggesting) we build via mingw distributedly and such then one person signs
2021 2011-05-09 14:58:52 <BlueMatt> sipa: pretty much sign the binary
2022 2011-05-09 14:59:19 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: they are only flagged by one or two avs
2023 2011-05-09 14:59:27 <BlueMatt> symantec and f-secure from what I can tell
2024 2011-05-09 14:59:47 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ...and we think it is somehow intrinsic in mingw build?
2025 2011-05-09 14:59:51 <jgarzik> that seems odd.
2026 2011-05-09 14:59:53 <BlueMatt> no, all builds
2027 2011-05-09 15:00:08 <BlueMatt> its a new "trusted binary" av system
2028 2011-05-09 15:00:16 <Diablo-D3> er
2029 2011-05-09 15:00:20 <BlueMatt> so fancy, they just reject everything thats not popularly used and not signed
2030 2011-05-09 15:00:21 <Diablo-D3> [10:40:10] <CIA-30> bitcoin: Chris Howie diablo-lp-fix * rf4cd17aba105 mining-proxy/htdocs/index.php: Fix for DiabloMiner, which uses POST for long polling requests instead of GET http://tinyurl.com/6d4mutz
2031 2011-05-09 15:00:24 <BlueMatt> so fing pointless
2032 2011-05-09 15:00:24 <Diablo-D3> [10:45:23] <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: good for you. I say leave it that way. LP should have always used POST, just like bitcoind.
2033 2011-05-09 15:00:28 <Diablo-D3> I didnt touch anything.
2034 2011-05-09 15:00:55 <Diablo-D3> diablominer uses post for everything, you cant get with content in the request body
2035 2011-05-09 15:00:57 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: I'm looking at the msdn page on code siging. So will an Individual Certificate cert pass muster, or does it have to be Commercial?
2036 2011-05-09 15:01:10 <Diablo-D3> literally, java's http impl forbids you to do it as per http spec
2037 2011-05-09 15:01:20 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: I cant quite tell...it depends on symantec more than ms
2038 2011-05-09 15:01:33 <gavinandresen> If symantec only like Commercial certs, then bitcoin.org needs a Dun & Bradstreet Rating.
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2040 2011-05-09 15:01:56 <BlueMatt> I dont think it has to be commercial just one of the 100$/year codesigning certs
2041 2011-05-09 15:02:00 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: feel like doing some more detective work and asking symantec?
2042 2011-05-09 15:02:33 <BlueMatt> yea, I was just asking about the possibility...
2043 2011-05-09 15:03:17 <BlueMatt> as Id bet a ton that you have to get a legit signed cert to get it to "pass"
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2050 2011-05-09 15:17:44 <gdoteof> i am trying to build a headless bitcoind on unix
2051 2011-05-09 15:18:03 <gdoteof> i don't need upnp.. where it says "USE_UPNP="
2052 2011-05-09 15:18:22 <gdoteof> do i put that in the make command, like `make USE_UPNP= -f makefile.unix bitcoind`
2053 2011-05-09 15:19:13 <BlueMatt> after
2054 2011-05-09 15:19:14 <BlueMatt> at the end
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2059 2011-05-09 15:20:08 <gdoteof> `make -f makefile.unix bitcoind USE_UPNP=` ?
2060 2011-05-09 15:20:20 <gdoteof> i am getting
2061 2011-05-09 15:20:28 <gdoteof> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
2062 2011-05-09 15:20:30 <gdoteof> derp
2063 2011-05-09 15:20:36 <gdoteof> /home/gdot/src/bitcoin/db.cpp:811: undefined reference to `fUseUPnP'
2064 2011-05-09 15:21:33 <sipa> delete db.o
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2066 2011-05-09 15:22:24 <gdoteof> sipa: where is db.o?
2067 2011-05-09 15:22:51 <gdoteof> nm
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2069 2011-05-09 15:23:01 <gdoteof> do i remove all the .o or just db.o
2070 2011-05-09 15:24:13 <UukGoblin> hm, nice upgrade on bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin
2071 2011-05-09 15:25:01 <UukGoblin> just wondering... why does the only high priority transaction have priority of ~3M, three "normal" priority transactions have priority of ~60M, and low priority transactions have between 0 and 57M priority
2072 2011-05-09 15:27:41 <gavinandresen> high priority == has a fee
2073 2011-05-09 15:27:53 <BlueMatt> gdoteof: might as well
2074 2011-05-09 15:28:06 <gavinandresen> normal > 58?-or-something priority
2075 2011-05-09 15:28:11 <gavinandresen> (with no fee)
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2080 2011-05-09 15:31:06 <gdoteof> thanks sipa; it built
2081 2011-05-09 15:31:21 <gdoteof> this newest client can do satoshi transactions right?
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2085 2011-05-09 15:33:24 <UukGoblin> gavinandresen, ah, ok
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2087 2011-05-09 15:34:01 <UukGoblin> so will the 0 priority ones eventually be included?
2088 2011-05-09 15:34:23 <UukGoblin> some have been waiting for 4 days already
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2090 2011-05-09 15:35:45 <TD> gavinandresen: do you have any criteria in mind for lowering the min fee?
2091 2011-05-09 15:35:58 * TD is sympathetic to the complaints on the forums about fees being higher than paypal for small txns ....
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2094 2011-05-09 15:36:46 <gavinandresen> TD: I said a few months ago that at $10/BTC the min fee should be lowered; I still think that's about right, and am thinking about writing a patch for it
2095 2011-05-09 15:36:48 <Diablo-D3> I dont know why we just dont pay a percentage of fee for kb minimum
2096 2011-05-09 15:37:13 <gavinandresen> (since I think by the time the next version of bitcoin is released we might be close to $10/per)
2097 2011-05-09 15:37:38 <Diablo-D3> so, 0.01 absolute minimum for every tx that contains more than, say, 1 input and two outputs (target, change)
2098 2011-05-09 15:37:53 <Diablo-D3> and then do like 1% fee per kb
2099 2011-05-09 15:37:56 <Diablo-D3> er
2100 2011-05-09 15:38:08 <Diablo-D3> yeah 1% fee per kb
2101 2011-05-09 15:38:17 <Diablo-D3> and allow unlimited kb up to block max size
2102 2011-05-09 15:38:29 <Diablo-D3> for the vast majority of tx, this is 0.01 fee.
2103 2011-05-09 15:38:39 <sipa> so a 500KiB tx would pay 500% fee? :D
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2105 2011-05-09 15:38:51 <Diablo-D3> sipa: yup, which may be 0.01.
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2108 2011-05-09 15:42:31 <UukGoblin> this really should be up to individual miners :->
2109 2011-05-09 15:42:48 <UukGoblin> I'd simply include any transaction that has a fee in it + all my transactions
2110 2011-05-09 15:43:04 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: yeah but
2111 2011-05-09 15:43:09 <Diablo-D3> we cant easily set rules
2112 2011-05-09 15:43:38 <genjix> could you remove MAX_BLOCK_SIZE if you only accepted tx which had a fee based on Diablo-D3's rule?
2113 2011-05-09 15:43:41 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, that's the thing, miners should be able to easily set rules, that's why I made a whole thread about it on the forum
2114 2011-05-09 15:43:48 <genjix> so no non-fee tx
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2116 2011-05-09 15:44:01 <genjix> but that doesn't protect against malicious miners
2117 2011-05-09 15:44:13 <Diablo-D3> the default should be, for example, sort all possible tx by fees, then by average age of inputs, then by total sum of inputs
2118 2011-05-09 15:44:30 <Diablo-D3> so you have to a) pay to play, b) pay to play, c) pay to play
2119 2011-05-09 15:44:39 <sipa> the problem is that the miner's best interest isn't exactly equal to that of bitcoin as a whole
2120 2011-05-09 15:44:44 <Diablo-D3> you dont have to reject tx flat out
2121 2011-05-09 15:44:51 <Diablo-D3> just when you run out of room in your block
2122 2011-05-09 15:44:52 <UukGoblin> sipa, bingo
2123 2011-05-09 15:45:01 <Diablo-D3> yeah but my rules as a default would work
2124 2011-05-09 15:45:11 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, there should be no default
2125 2011-05-09 15:45:13 <UukGoblin> :-]
2126 2011-05-09 15:45:14 <sipa> and the part of it that isn't, should be regulated by rules in the protocol... but how
2127 2011-05-09 15:45:20 <Diablo-D3> and then impose a 0.01 fee minimum on any tx thats more than 1 input, 2 outputs
2128 2011-05-09 15:45:22 <genjix> yeah seems like a much nicer ruleset
2129 2011-05-09 15:45:24 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: well
2130 2011-05-09 15:45:27 <Diablo-D3> we should have sane defaults
2131 2011-05-09 15:45:27 <UukGoblin> sipa, that's why I started a thread about it
2132 2011-05-09 15:45:34 <Diablo-D3> something that makes sense
2133 2011-05-09 15:45:56 <Diablo-D3> we're not a bank, we shouldnt penalize poor people
2134 2011-05-09 15:46:00 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, sense to whom? the end-user, the miner, or the network as whole?
2135 2011-05-09 15:46:09 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: I just nailed all three.
2136 2011-05-09 15:46:38 <Diablo-D3> end users end up with suitable expected behavior, the network spreads wealth to pay for computation time appropriately, and miners START with a good rule set
2137 2011-05-09 15:46:46 <Diablo-D3> its win win win
2138 2011-05-09 15:46:56 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, you never run out of room in a block
2139 2011-05-09 15:47:01 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: not true
2140 2011-05-09 15:47:03 <UukGoblin> blocks can be arbitrarily large
2141 2011-05-09 15:47:05 <Diablo-D3> 1mb max.
2142 2011-05-09 15:47:12 <UukGoblin> really? who said that?
2143 2011-05-09 15:47:17 <TD> MAX_BLOCK_SIZE also protects against a bad miner exploding the block chain
2144 2011-05-09 15:47:27 <UukGoblin> ah, interesting
2145 2011-05-09 15:47:29 <TD> but users should never really encounter it, ideally
2146 2011-05-09 15:47:30 <Diablo-D3> and I imagine a world where we regularly have 100k+ tx an hour or something
2147 2011-05-09 15:47:37 <Diablo-D3> TD: no, but I encountered max tx size
2148 2011-05-09 15:47:37 <TD> we want bitcoin to be "free" for most end users
2149 2011-05-09 15:47:41 <TD> yeah
2150 2011-05-09 15:47:42 <UukGoblin> so you actually couldn't upload too much kiddie porn in there...
2151 2011-05-09 15:47:46 <Diablo-D3> TD: which is fucking BS
2152 2011-05-09 15:47:55 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: you cant anyhow
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2154 2011-05-09 15:48:06 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, sure you can
2155 2011-05-09 15:48:14 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, just up to 1MiB/10 min it seems
2156 2011-05-09 15:48:31 <Diablo-D3> yes but that'd be exceedingly expensive
2157 2011-05-09 15:48:50 <UukGoblin> well yeah it would
2158 2011-05-09 15:49:00 <Diablo-D3> with an output minimum of 0.01 considered for fee scheduling....
2159 2011-05-09 15:49:13 <UukGoblin> I didn't said it'd be cheap
2160 2011-05-09 15:49:18 <Diablo-D3> 10.24 BTC per MB.
2161 2011-05-09 15:49:19 <UukGoblin> s/said/say/
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2163 2011-05-09 15:49:40 <UukGoblin> you can fit a few low-res photos in a MB
2164 2011-05-09 15:50:13 <UukGoblin> but an avi would be quite expensive
2165 2011-05-09 15:50:13 <ErrydayimGenerat> back in my day an entire porn site was hosted on geocities, under 2mb
2166 2011-05-09 15:50:29 <Diablo-D3> I could be a fucking dick and make that 1% per kb PER KB
2167 2011-05-09 15:50:36 <Diablo-D3> let that sink in for a moment.
2168 2011-05-09 15:51:00 <Diablo-D3> 0.01 output minimum considered for scheduling.... 1MB would cost 10485.76 BTC.
2169 2011-05-09 15:51:01 <UukGoblin> per kb^2?
2170 2011-05-09 15:51:37 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, well anyway if there's a hard limit on blocksize of 1MB, you still won't run out of that space very fast
2171 2011-05-09 15:51:47 <Diablo-D3> thats $40k.
2172 2011-05-09 15:52:13 <Diablo-D3> if you want to put child porn into the chain at $40k a whack, go right a fucking head.
2173 2011-05-09 15:52:26 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, you're wrong btw
2174 2011-05-09 15:52:31 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, it's enough to mine a few blocks
2175 2011-05-09 15:52:43 <UukGoblin> you don't have to pay a fee to the miners, you can mine them yourself
2176 2011-05-09 15:52:52 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: true
2177 2011-05-09 15:52:58 <Diablo-D3> but people who do child porn arent that smart
2178 2011-05-09 15:53:02 <UukGoblin> ;-]
2179 2011-05-09 15:53:16 <Diablo-D3> and they always seem to own like 486s
2180 2011-05-09 15:53:27 <UukGoblin> dunno, haven't met any
2181 2011-05-09 15:53:40 <Diablo-D3> I dunno, TV programs always make it look that way
2182 2011-05-09 15:53:58 <eps1> perhaps those are just the ones who get caught?
2183 2011-05-09 15:53:59 <UukGoblin> wikipedia has childporn
2184 2011-05-09 15:54:08 <UukGoblin> and they only shut it down for ~5 days
2185 2011-05-09 15:54:12 <Diablo-D3> eps1: I only care about the ones that get caught
2186 2011-05-09 15:54:24 <Diablo-D3> the ones that dont get caught dont make legal problems for everyone else.
2187 2011-05-09 15:54:30 <noagendamarket> you can buy cp for cash
2188 2011-05-09 15:54:39 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: or
2189 2011-05-09 15:54:41 <Diablo-D3> I can fap to tits.
2190 2011-05-09 15:54:43 <diki> d3-you watch child porn?
2191 2011-05-09 15:54:44 <Diablo-D3> real hoenst to god tits
2192 2011-05-09 15:54:56 <Diablo-D3> who the fuck needs cp when you can have TITS
2193 2011-05-09 15:55:00 <noagendamarket> lol
2194 2011-05-09 15:55:00 <Diablo-D3> like d cup sized ones
2195 2011-05-09 15:55:20 <Diablo-D3> I'd like to see your fucking 12 year olds have those!
2196 2011-05-09 15:55:27 <Diablo-D3> actually, no I wouldnt, that'd be disturbing
2197 2011-05-09 15:55:27 <eps1> shit son, this girl has tits, what you messing with that pre pubescent shit for?
2198 2011-05-09 15:56:01 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, no, I'd say it's people making up arbitrary laws make legal problems for everyone else
2199 2011-05-09 15:56:02 <Diablo-D3> diki: no, but look at, say, that guy that got busted for cp... when it was just an unsecured wifi router
2200 2011-05-09 15:56:18 <Diablo-D3> this wouldnt have happened if cp fuckers would just secure their shit
2201 2011-05-09 15:56:36 <Diablo-D3> if you're going to hijack someone else's wifi, have the common courtesy to cp surf through tor
2202 2011-05-09 15:56:54 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, unless you want to frame the said someone else into cp
2203 2011-05-09 15:56:56 <eps1> you should start a website helping CP fans encrypt and securely send stuff
2204 2011-05-09 15:57:13 <Diablo-D3> eps1: fuck that dude
2205 2011-05-09 15:57:19 <Diablo-D3> then you have the fucking FBI attacking me
2206 2011-05-09 15:57:38 <Diablo-D3> and why the fuck are they even going after the people who HAVE it
2207 2011-05-09 15:57:41 <Diablo-D3> go after the fuckers WHO PRODUCE IT
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2210 2011-05-09 15:57:51 <UukGoblin> yeah, yeah, we all know that
2211 2011-05-09 15:57:53 <Diablo-D3> I dont care if you have to bomb some foreign country into the stone age
2212 2011-05-09 15:57:54 <eps1> well they are already gonna go after you for being a prominent supporter of bitcoins
2213 2011-05-09 15:58:00 <eps1> so you might as well
2214 2011-05-09 15:58:05 <Diablo-D3> eps1: fuck that dude
2215 2011-05-09 15:58:06 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, I care
2216 2011-05-09 15:58:11 <Diablo-D3> Im not even a prominent supporter
2217 2011-05-09 15:58:16 <Diablo-D3> we have gavin for that
2218 2011-05-09 15:58:33 <eps1> "he wrote a miner your honour"
2219 2011-05-09 15:58:38 <UukGoblin> if a monkey fucks a younger monkey, no-one would give a shit
2220 2011-05-09 15:58:39 <noagendamarket> lol
2221 2011-05-09 15:58:41 * eps1 is just messing
2222 2011-05-09 15:58:52 <noagendamarket> Diablo likes miners
2223 2011-05-09 15:58:52 <UukGoblin> but suddently when its humans we're dropping bombs? fuck that.
2224 2011-05-09 15:59:35 <noagendamarket> you probably wont hear the drones coming :)
2225 2011-05-09 15:59:37 <UukGoblin> what's happening to my grammar...
2226 2011-05-09 16:00:27 <Diablo-D3> seriously though
2227 2011-05-09 16:00:34 <Diablo-D3> oh and UukGoblin
2228 2011-05-09 16:00:38 <Diablo-D3> mining for themselves?
2229 2011-05-09 16:00:50 <Diablo-D3> if that fee schedule is considered the very minimum to protect the network
2230 2011-05-09 16:00:57 <Diablo-D3> all their blocks are invalid.
2231 2011-05-09 16:01:13 <Diablo-D3> even if they get the fees back, they'd still have to PAY them.
2232 2011-05-09 16:01:56 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, what? can't you simply include an arbitrary unannounced transactions into your block?
2233 2011-05-09 16:02:04 <Diablo-D3> nope.
2234 2011-05-09 16:02:11 <UukGoblin> well with legal inputs that is
2235 2011-05-09 16:02:13 <Diablo-D3> thats something that absolutely should be rejected.
2236 2011-05-09 16:02:27 <Diablo-D3> the fees MUST exchange hands, even if its the same hands.
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2238 2011-05-09 16:03:10 <Diablo-D3> so the inputs for such a TX would need to exceed the fees.
2239 2011-05-09 16:03:11 <Diablo-D3> period.
2240 2011-05-09 16:04:02 <Diablo-D3> so, 0.01 minimum, 1% per kb^2.
2241 2011-05-09 16:04:25 <Diablo-D3> with 0.01 input considered as fee schedule minimum
2242 2011-05-09 16:04:45 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, are you proposing to reject all blocks which have transactions containing 0 fees?
2243 2011-05-09 16:04:52 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: not at all.
2244 2011-05-09 16:05:07 <Diablo-D3> 0.00 fees is valid for tx that have 1 input, and 2 outputs (target, change).
2245 2011-05-09 16:05:17 <Diablo-D3> anything else requires fee.
2246 2011-05-09 16:05:34 <BlueMatt> best straight to dvd movie I have ever seen
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2248 2011-05-09 16:05:40 <UukGoblin> so, mine a block which has lots of transactions with 1 input and 2 outputs?
2249 2011-05-09 16:06:13 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: no, just the space for it
2250 2011-05-09 16:06:17 <UukGoblin> earlier preparing your wallet so that you have lots of 0.0000001 BTC inputs?
2251 2011-05-09 16:06:30 <Diablo-D3> it could be one of those non-financial TX
2252 2011-05-09 16:06:46 <Diablo-D3> which, unless its extremely fucking small, would require a 0.01 fee.
2253 2011-05-09 16:07:10 <UukGoblin> I'm lost now
2254 2011-05-09 16:07:24 <UukGoblin> are we still discussing the technicalities of putting some pr0n into the blockchain?
2255 2011-05-09 16:07:26 <Diablo-D3> yes
2256 2011-05-09 16:07:31 <Diablo-D3> but look at like bitdns and shit
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2258 2011-05-09 16:07:59 <UukGoblin> ok, so my fairly-cheap way of doing this is:
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2260 2011-05-09 16:08:08 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: hear me out first
2261 2011-05-09 16:08:26 <Diablo-D3> so, you're stuck using these exceedingly small blocks, right?
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2263 2011-05-09 16:08:38 <UukGoblin> mine a block and include, say, 1k transactions in it with your wallet's input, and 2 outputs: 0.000001 to your other address and your data
2264 2011-05-09 16:08:44 <Diablo-D3> anything over ... what, 64 bytes paylod?
2265 2011-05-09 16:08:50 <Diablo-D3> changes 0.01 fee
2266 2011-05-09 16:09:12 <Diablo-D3> because remember, theres still that absolute 0.01 fee minimum
2267 2011-05-09 16:09:17 <Diablo-D3> once you cross that threshold
2268 2011-05-09 16:09:45 <Diablo-D3> so, you need to, somewhere else, essentially need to record the list of your tx, in order, to get your prons
2269 2011-05-09 16:09:56 <Diablo-D3> whichout this list, you cannot reconstruct the pron
2270 2011-05-09 16:10:00 <UukGoblin> oh you're talking about your proposal of fee structure
2271 2011-05-09 16:10:09 <Diablo-D3> since you do not know which tx in which blocks have your porn
2272 2011-05-09 16:10:12 <Diablo-D3> and your order has been lost
2273 2011-05-09 16:10:15 <Diablo-D3> so guess what
2274 2011-05-09 16:10:15 <TD> gavinandresen: also, any ideas on criteria for bumping the block size/free tx space?
2275 2011-05-09 16:10:22 <TD> first lightweight/headers-only client?
2276 2011-05-09 16:10:32 <Diablo-D3> your porn payload is in chain
2277 2011-05-09 16:10:39 <Diablo-D3> you cannot view it by simply extracting the payload.
2278 2011-05-09 16:11:16 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: and yes, Im considering this vs my fee proposal
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2280 2011-05-09 16:11:48 <diki> so after this difficulty increase, when will the next be?
2281 2011-05-09 16:11:51 <Diablo-D3> I could also NOT have a fee free minimum
2282 2011-05-09 16:11:55 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
2283 2011-05-09 16:11:57 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122922 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 53 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 156686.27435488
2284 2011-05-09 16:12:00 <Diablo-D3> and just do kb^2 at all times.
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2286 2011-05-09 16:13:17 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, would you require this in order for blocks to get accepted though?
2287 2011-05-09 16:13:25 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: yes.
2288 2011-05-09 16:13:43 <diki> this difficulty thing would make some users leave...i mean say someone with a 5770 barely made btc, now he wont be able to
2289 2011-05-09 16:13:46 <Diablo-D3> having that 0.01 cludge is a bad idea because 0.01 is rapidly becoming valuable
2290 2011-05-09 16:13:53 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, you'd brake the fundamental rule of bitcoin with that, as long as backwards compatibility
2291 2011-05-09 16:13:58 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: not at all
2292 2011-05-09 16:14:04 <UukGoblin> break* fuck
2293 2011-05-09 16:14:05 <Diablo-D3> have it kick in at a certain block number
2294 2011-05-09 16:14:20 <UukGoblin> s/as long/as well/
2295 2011-05-09 16:14:27 <UukGoblin> GEEZ I CAn"T TYPE TODAY
2296 2011-05-09 16:14:27 <Diablo-D3> kb^2 minimum fees.
2297 2011-05-09 16:14:44 <Diablo-D3> so if they wanna sneak porn in, they can go ahead and try
2298 2011-05-09 16:14:48 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, that'd suck btw, if you wanted to transfer money to yourself
2299 2011-05-09 16:14:59 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: depends how you define transfer
2300 2011-05-09 16:15:06 <UukGoblin> i.e. transfers between savings and current accounts
2301 2011-05-09 16:15:13 <Diablo-D3> yeah, it would "suck"
2302 2011-05-09 16:15:29 <Diablo-D3> except that if its just a handful of inputs
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2304 2011-05-09 16:16:02 <UukGoblin> you'd have to have a special type of wallet which would keep a 1 BTC address, 2 BTC, 4 BTC, 8 BTC, etc, in order to be able to easily shuffle your bitcoins between wallets
2305 2011-05-09 16:16:04 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt cost anything
2306 2011-05-09 16:16:25 <BlueMatt> who has admin on the wiki?
2307 2011-05-09 16:16:40 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, and yes, you would break backwards compatibility if you introduced it at a certain block. Old clients would still accept blocks with transactions without fees after this block
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2309 2011-05-09 16:16:56 <diki> i dont know what you guys plan to do with bitcoin in the future, but don't think you can put in features YOU want
2310 2011-05-09 16:16:58 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: for example, take in account the cost of 64 bytes
2311 2011-05-09 16:17:01 <Diablo-D3> its 0.003 btc fee.
2312 2011-05-09 16:17:16 <Diablo-D3> 128 bytes is 0.01
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2315 2011-05-09 16:18:06 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: and btw, yes, we could put the change a year from now
2316 2011-05-09 16:18:10 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, also, you'd impose YOUR idea of fees onto everyone. Satoshi's plan was to allow miners to set their own fees. You can't just reject transactions without fees, I wouldn't buy your client
2317 2011-05-09 16:18:11 <Diablo-D3> if you havent upgraded your client yet, gtfo.
2318 2011-05-09 16:18:22 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: erm
2319 2011-05-09 16:18:26 <Diablo-D3> if you dont allow that
2320 2011-05-09 16:18:38 <Diablo-D3> then I should be able to reject blocks that dont meet criteria
2321 2011-05-09 16:18:45 <Diablo-D3> and then perminently fork the chain
2322 2011-05-09 16:19:01 <Diablo-D3> because I refuse to let child porn into the chain
2323 2011-05-09 16:19:05 <UukGoblin> and it's a computing power fight
2324 2011-05-09 16:19:07 <Diablo-D3> and should not be forced into the illegal act.
2325 2011-05-09 16:19:20 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, you don't refuse, you just make it more expensive
2326 2011-05-09 16:19:23 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
2327 2011-05-09 16:19:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122924 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 51 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 34 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 156635.93870099
2328 2011-05-09 16:19:37 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: but how can I make it more expensive if you fuckers are letting the pervet in the front door
2329 2011-05-09 16:19:40 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, also, child porn could be sneaked in BEFORE that year elapsed
2330 2011-05-09 16:19:58 <Diablo-D3> well, this is why I wanted to reject non-financial tx to begin with
2331 2011-05-09 16:20:10 <Diablo-D3> if the payload doesnt make sense, it should be rejected
2332 2011-05-09 16:20:11 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, if you set up your fees your way, someone could still pay the fees required and get his data in
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2334 2011-05-09 16:20:26 <BlueMatt> nanotube: would you mind locking en.bitcoin.it/wiki/URI_Scheme ...the community voted on a spec and the wiki should reflect that...
2335 2011-05-09 16:20:34 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, there's no way of distinguishing between non-financial and financial because you can burn coins
2336 2011-05-09 16:20:35 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: like I said, if someone wants to pay whats now $40k to get the porn in, let them
2337 2011-05-09 16:20:56 <BlueMatt> Kiba: genjix ^^
2338 2011-05-09 16:21:04 <Diablo-D3> I suspect bitcoin is a failure.
2339 2011-05-09 16:21:31 <UukGoblin> I don't think that child porn in the block chain is a major problem
2340 2011-05-09 16:21:37 <UukGoblin> but then that's me
2341 2011-05-09 16:21:46 <Diablo-D3> All threads are a major problem.
2342 2011-05-09 16:22:10 <genjix> BlueMatt: is there an edit war going on there?
2343 2011-05-09 16:22:32 <BlueMatt> genjix: yea...or there will be in about 10 secs when luke gets back
2344 2011-05-09 16:22:52 <BlueMatt> (the whole uri-spec voting vs "bigotry" thing)
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2346 2011-05-09 16:23:46 <BlueMatt> or can you lock specific sections individually?
2347 2011-05-09 16:24:03 <gjs278> needs more tonal
2348 2011-05-09 16:24:11 <genjix> where is the forum link where everybody voted?
2349 2011-05-09 16:24:26 <Diablo-D3> FUCK TONAL
2350 2011-05-09 16:24:29 <UukGoblin> gjs278, lol
2351 2011-05-09 16:24:39 <UukGoblin> I want a lojban translation
2352 2011-05-09 16:24:43 <UukGoblin> while we're at tonal
2353 2011-05-09 16:24:44 <Diablo-D3> FUCK LOJBAN TOO
2354 2011-05-09 16:25:05 <BlueMatt> genjix: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6206.0 http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6207.0 http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6208.0
2355 2011-05-09 16:25:10 <diki> ;;bc,eligius
2356 2011-05-09 16:25:10 <gribble> 40630390.6202
2357 2011-05-09 16:25:10 <genjix> thanks
2358 2011-05-09 16:25:51 <diki> 40 ghash?
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2361 2011-05-09 16:26:35 <Diablo-D3> uh
2362 2011-05-09 16:26:37 <Diablo-D3> that first poll
2363 2011-05-09 16:26:40 <Diablo-D3> at 6206
2364 2011-05-09 16:26:43 <Diablo-D3> is bullshit
2365 2011-05-09 16:26:49 <Diablo-D3> people dont evne know what they're voting for
2366 2011-05-09 16:26:56 <Diablo-D3> APIs are _required_ to use satoshis, period
2367 2011-05-09 16:27:04 <Diablo-D3> floating point representations cannot be allowed in financial code
2368 2011-05-09 16:27:07 <BlueMatt> and yet people voted against that...
2369 2011-05-09 16:27:09 <genjix> i speak esperanto but i do not use bitcoin as a political ground for furthering my own views
2370 2011-05-09 16:27:16 <Diablo-D3> people who are not programmers voted against it
2371 2011-05-09 16:27:23 <Diablo-D3> people who will NEVER INTERACT with it voted against it
2372 2011-05-09 16:27:25 <BlueMatt> I voted against it
2373 2011-05-09 16:27:40 <Diablo-D3> I voted what the US law already is
2374 2011-05-09 16:27:41 <Diablo-D3> use floats, go to jail.
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2376 2011-05-09 16:27:56 <genjix> Diablo-D3: i was in south africa speaking to one of the largest mobile operators about bitcoin
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2378 2011-05-09 16:28:08 <gjs278> do you really go to jail for using floats
2379 2011-05-09 16:28:11 <gjs278> I'm going to set someone up
2380 2011-05-09 16:28:12 <genjix> when i said the api uses floats they found it hilarious
2381 2011-05-09 16:28:30 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: theres a huge body of law on how to write software for financial transactions
2382 2011-05-09 16:28:33 <BlueMatt> genjix: the problem is uris is a people-facing api
2383 2011-05-09 16:28:34 <genjix> bitcoin will be forever a joke if it persists using floats for the api
2384 2011-05-09 16:28:39 <Diablo-D3> uris are NOT people facing.
2385 2011-05-09 16:28:46 <diki> africa has phones
2386 2011-05-09 16:28:51 <diki> ?
2387 2011-05-09 16:28:51 <BlueMatt> diki: lol
2388 2011-05-09 16:29:07 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: yes they are, though I agree rpc shouldnt use floats
2389 2011-05-09 16:29:07 <genjix> calling all the other languages that interpret them as floats "broken" is bad
2390 2011-05-09 16:29:12 <ersi> Hah
2391 2011-05-09 16:29:19 <ersi> diki: Yes, they sure as heck do
2392 2011-05-09 16:29:19 <Diablo-D3> infact, how the fuck do you use uris for paying in a way that users can type in?
2393 2011-05-09 16:29:31 <Diablo-D3> you cant.
2394 2011-05-09 16:29:35 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt work that way.
2395 2011-05-09 16:29:38 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: users have to type the uris
2396 2011-05-09 16:29:41 <diki> i thought only tribes live there
2397 2011-05-09 16:29:45 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: uh, why?
2398 2011-05-09 16:29:51 <Diablo-D3> if users have to type a url, its broken
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2400 2011-05-09 16:29:52 <Diablo-D3> stop doing that.
2401 2011-05-09 16:29:54 <BlueMatt> wtf?
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2403 2011-05-09 16:30:16 <BlueMatt> if you want to send a link to your mom, you have to type the url, she isnt going to copy/paste a bitcoin addr
2404 2011-05-09 16:30:16 <Diablo-D3> anything out side double you double you double you dot fuck you dot com is beyond mere mortals
2405 2011-05-09 16:30:21 <Diablo-D3> trust me, PEOPLE ARE STUPID
2406 2011-05-09 16:30:29 <luke-jr> nanotube: please fix the page before locking it
2407 2011-05-09 16:30:39 <xelister> ~90% people appears to be morons
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2409 2011-05-09 16:30:58 <luke-jr> genjix: don't do that, idiot
2410 2011-05-09 16:31:19 <Diablo-D3> oh god
2411 2011-05-09 16:31:22 <Diablo-D3> that second poll
2412 2011-05-09 16:31:22 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: yes people are fucking stupid, thats why its in people-units not satoshis
2413 2011-05-09 16:31:23 <Diablo-D3> ist even worse
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2415 2011-05-09 16:31:34 <Diablo-D3> FLOATS _AND_ EXPONENTS?
2416 2011-05-09 16:31:34 <Diablo-D3> WHAT THE FUCK
2417 2011-05-09 16:31:41 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, does this tonal thing have a wiki page?
2418 2011-05-09 16:31:43 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: yes, which requires using satoshis in the back end.
2419 2011-05-09 16:31:46 <nanotube> BlueMatt: why does it need locking? luke-jr let me guess, tonal conflict? :)
2420 2011-05-09 16:31:50 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: what tonal thing?
2421 2011-05-09 16:31:59 <BlueMatt> nanotube: how did you know ;)?
2422 2011-05-09 16:31:59 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, you know... that... tonal thing
2423 2011-05-09 16:32:02 Aquar1us has left ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
2424 2011-05-09 16:32:02 <luke-jr> nanotube: no
2425 2011-05-09 16:32:12 <Diablo-D3> that third poll makes no sense
2426 2011-05-09 16:32:15 <luke-jr> nanotube: though BlueMatt's vandalism is aimed at one purpose: to make Tonal more difficult
2427 2011-05-09 16:32:22 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, is there a description of that tonal system on wikipedia, I'm asking
2428 2011-05-09 16:32:22 <Diablo-D3> wheres the option to force people to use decimal satoshis only when writing code.
2429 2011-05-09 16:32:26 <genjix> luke-jr: hey you made a poll, the people spoke and then you go against your own poll?
2430 2011-05-09 16:32:27 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: of course
2431 2011-05-09 16:32:29 <genjix> cmon
2432 2011-05-09 16:32:33 <BlueMatt> no its to match what the community voted on
2433 2011-05-09 16:32:44 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: its under Tonal Bitcoin IIRC
2434 2011-05-09 16:32:44 <luke-jr> genjix: the poll wasn't to change the standard
2435 2011-05-09 16:32:56 <BlueMatt> it was to set the standard
2436 2011-05-09 16:32:59 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, link? Cause I typed 'tonal' and it gave me Tonality and Tone (linguistics)
2437 2011-05-09 16:33:00 <genjix> luke-jr: i speak esperanto, but im not trying to force people to have it as the default language in bitcoin
2438 2011-05-09 16:33:02 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: he's tlakign about Tonal in general, and Wikipedia
2439 2011-05-09 16:33:13 <Diablo-D3> tonal is hexidecimal representation of money
2440 2011-05-09 16:33:17 <Diablo-D3> ie, luke is a fag.
2441 2011-05-09 16:33:17 <luke-jr> genjix: I'm not trying to force anything
2442 2011-05-09 16:33:18 <BlueMatt> oh on wikipedia tonal should find it
2443 2011-05-09 16:33:24 <luke-jr> genjix: BlueMatt is trying to force Decimal
2444 2011-05-09 16:33:30 <luke-jr> genjix: the REAL URI spec is neutral
2445 2011-05-09 16:33:36 <Diablo-D3> bullshit
2446 2011-05-09 16:33:37 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_System
2447 2011-05-09 16:33:42 <Diablo-D3> the real uri spec is decimal satoshis only
2448 2011-05-09 16:33:47 <genjix> so what prefix do we give for base 2?
2449 2011-05-09 16:33:48 <UukGoblin> Search results
2450 2011-05-09 16:33:48 <UukGoblin> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2451 2011-05-09 16:33:48 <UukGoblin> Did you mean: total bitch
2452 2011-05-09 16:33:54 <BlueMatt> oh god...CAN WE STOP THE FUCKING BULLSHIT NAMECALLING AND NON-CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION
2453 2011-05-09 16:34:00 <UukGoblin> (I typed 'tonal bitcoin')
2454 2011-05-09 16:34:02 <genjix> because tonal has an x as a prefix
2455 2011-05-09 16:34:03 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: fuck you dude
2456 2011-05-09 16:34:08 <Diablo-D3> because Im tired of this shit
2457 2011-05-09 16:34:11 <luke-jr> genjix: no, x is hexadecimal
2458 2011-05-09 16:34:12 <Diablo-D3> all non-programmers can get the fuck out.
2459 2011-05-09 16:34:20 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: Sorry I thought you meant on the bitcoin wiki
2460 2011-05-09 16:34:22 <Diablo-D3> no more letting people who arent programmers vote
2461 2011-05-09 16:34:25 <genjix> 0x
2462 2011-05-09 16:34:32 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, thanks
2463 2011-05-09 16:34:32 <Diablo-D3> no more BlueMatt
2464 2011-05-09 16:34:35 <Diablo-D3> no more luke-jr
2465 2011-05-09 16:34:37 <genjix> anyway im outta here. this is unproductive
2466 2011-05-09 16:34:43 <BlueMatt> no shit
2467 2011-05-09 16:34:43 <luke-jr> genjix: then fix the page before locking it
2468 2011-05-09 16:34:52 <Diablo-D3> programmers only.
2469 2011-05-09 16:34:56 <luke-jr> ie, revert BlueMatt's vandalism
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2471 2011-05-09 16:35:08 <Diablo-D3> and someone delete that goddamned tonal page on the bitcoin wiki
2472 2011-05-09 16:35:11 <Diablo-D3> fucking spam
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2474 2011-05-09 16:35:21 <kika> luke-jr: are you there?
2475 2011-05-09 16:35:27 <Diablo-D3> its not even bitcoin related
2476 2011-05-09 16:35:39 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: shoo troll
2477 2011-05-09 16:35:43 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr relay_eligius * r7f0c8f29f706 bitcoind-personal/ (main.cpp main.h): Allow relaying of transactions with lower fees accepted by Eligius http://tinyurl.com/3umedcs
2478 2011-05-09 16:35:44 <genjix> luke-jr: im just following the majority rule
2479 2011-05-09 16:35:52 <luke-jr> genjix: no
2480 2011-05-09 16:35:58 <genjix> if everybody votes to unlock it then i will
2481 2011-05-09 16:35:58 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: your opinion is meaningless, you are not a programmer
2482 2011-05-09 16:36:00 <kika> luke-jr: did you remove the basic auth thing from pushpoold?
2483 2011-05-09 16:36:01 <luke-jr> genjix: the majority of clients have 100% correct support
2484 2011-05-09 16:36:14 <Diablo-D3> and stop putting fucking polls on the forum
2485 2011-05-09 16:36:18 <Diablo-D3> no one who votes on them is a programmer
2486 2011-05-09 16:36:19 <luke-jr> genjix: only the wx client is trying to change it
2487 2011-05-09 16:36:21 <Diablo-D3> the poll outcome is automatically invalid.
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2489 2011-05-09 16:36:29 <BlueMatt> ENOUGH STFU
2490 2011-05-09 16:36:44 <luke-jr> genjix: months *after* it's been standardized
2491 2011-05-09 16:37:07 <genjix> ok i will unlock it. someone else can handle this
2492 2011-05-09 16:37:15 <ArtForz> standardized by luke-jr and himself
2493 2011-05-09 16:37:22 <jostmey> Hello, I want to share a new website plugin that I wrote.
2494 2011-05-09 16:37:32 <genjix> i am not a baby-sitter
2495 2011-05-09 16:37:45 <Diablo-D3> will someone just remove luke's account on the forums?
2496 2011-05-09 16:37:47 <luke-jr> ArtForz: nonsense
2497 2011-05-09 16:37:51 <Diablo-D3> its spam and trolling
2498 2011-05-09 16:37:52 <BlueMatt> genjix: sorry for trying to pull you into this
2499 2011-05-09 16:38:12 <BlueMatt> jostmey: please do...link?
2500 2011-05-09 16:38:16 <jostmey> Sure.
2501 2011-05-09 16:38:16 <jostmey> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7731.0
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2503 2011-05-09 16:38:27 <genjix> thanks BlueMatt
2504 2011-05-09 16:38:43 <jostmey> THe plugin generates a feed of various items for sale that I found in the bitcoin world.
2505 2011-05-09 16:38:45 <ArtForz> luke-jr: what was the original wording on your "neutral" poll again "discriminate against non-decimal minorities" ?
2506 2011-05-09 16:38:54 <genjix> haha
2507 2011-05-09 16:38:57 <Diablo-D3> you know what
2508 2011-05-09 16:38:58 <luke-jr> ArtForz: that's what they want to do
2509 2011-05-09 16:39:00 <Diablo-D3> Im fucking going to bed
2510 2011-05-09 16:39:02 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: we're done
2511 2011-05-09 16:39:05 <Diablo-D3> I want luke banned by the time I get up
2512 2011-05-09 16:39:14 <ArtForz> and even then your proposal was voted down 10:1 or more
2513 2011-05-09 16:39:16 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: bye, troll
2514 2011-05-09 16:39:32 <genjix> send non-decimal minorities to numeric gulag
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2516 2011-05-09 16:39:37 <Diablo-D3> Im a troll? Im mandating an API for programmers written the way its meant to be
2517 2011-05-09 16:39:41 <genjix> for re-arithmetisizing
2518 2011-05-09 16:39:41 <Diablo-D3> no fucking hexidecimals
2519 2011-05-09 16:39:42 <ArtForz> luke-jr: how many inflammatory worded polls did diablo start on the forum?
2520 2011-05-09 16:39:44 <Diablo-D3> no fucking floats
2521 2011-05-09 16:39:47 <gjs278> next time on dragon ball z
2522 2011-05-09 16:40:12 <gjs278> Goku uses a float to represent currency
2523 2011-05-09 16:40:12 <BlueMatt> fucking madhouse in here
2524 2011-05-09 16:40:14 <ArtForz> trolls calling trolls trolls, oh the huge manatee!
2525 2011-05-09 16:40:20 <diki> no one includes dbz without my permission
2526 2011-05-09 16:40:38 <BlueMatt> trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls while trolls troll trolls
2527 2011-05-09 16:40:49 <gjs278> next time on dragon ball z: Gohan adds tonal support
2528 2011-05-09 16:40:57 <luke-jr> ArtForz: the funny thing is, I agree with Diablo-D3's basic argument
2529 2011-05-09 16:40:58 <diki> trololol
2530 2011-05-09 16:41:03 <genjix> haha
2531 2011-05-09 16:41:06 <luke-jr> ArtForz: but he's always trolling here, so a troll
2532 2011-05-09 16:41:09 <xelister> TROLOLOLOL
2533 2011-05-09 16:41:24 <xelister> http://trololololololololololo.com/
2534 2011-05-09 16:41:46 <genjix> Next episode of Bitcoin: xelister announces he's pregnant.
2535 2011-05-09 16:41:48 <luke-jr> ArtForz: and it wasn't an inflammatory worded poll, just the facts
2536 2011-05-09 16:41:49 <B0g4r7> You couldn't troll me on the trollinest day of your life if you had an electrified trolling machine.
2537 2011-05-09 16:41:52 <noagendamarket> chuck norris
2538 2011-05-09 16:42:00 <genjix> and noagendamarket has aids
2539 2011-05-09 16:42:08 <noagendamarket> I do ?
2540 2011-05-09 16:42:21 <noagendamarket> I was wonder what those sores were
2541 2011-05-09 16:42:30 <genjix> noagendamarket: it's in the next episode
2542 2011-05-09 16:42:42 <genjix> Bitcoin community: drama queens
2543 2011-05-09 16:42:46 <noagendamarket> thats what you get for not using lube
2544 2011-05-09 16:42:53 <genjix> XD
2545 2011-05-09 16:42:55 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Forrest Voight master * re6ad2c8 / rpc.cpp : Initial commit of changes to make JSON-RPC HTTP headers case-insensitive, as per RFC 2616 - http://bit.ly/kUqKcZ
2546 2011-05-09 16:42:56 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r752e598 / rpc.cpp :
2547 2011-05-09 16:42:56 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Merge pull request #205 from forrestv/caseinsensitive_rpc_headers
2548 2011-05-09 16:42:56 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Case-Insensitive JSON-RPC HTTP Headers - http://bit.ly/lndoFG
2549 2011-05-09 16:43:00 <BlueMatt> B0g4r7: oh really? I take that as a challenge
2550 2011-05-09 16:43:57 <kika> luke-jr: you had to modify pushpoold for it to be able to work using poclbm ?
2551 2011-05-09 16:44:08 <luke-jr> kika: no, ufasoft
2552 2011-05-09 16:44:24 <kika> luke-jr: i pulled the latest sources from mainline and now ufasoft works for me
2553 2011-05-09 16:44:31 <kika> luke-jr: however i still cant get poclbm.exe to work
2554 2011-05-09 16:44:32 <luke-jr> yes, see the git log :p
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2556 2011-05-09 16:44:47 <kika> luke-jr: do you have idea why? you using a special poclbm ?
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2559 2011-05-09 16:45:00 <luke-jr> kika: standard poclbm from git
2560 2011-05-09 16:45:17 <kika> luke-jr: actually i tested poclbm.exe with your pool and it works but it doesnt work for mine
2561 2011-05-09 16:45:26 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Shane Wegner * re5f18ea76bfd pushpool/ (config.c msg.c server.c): Don't use memcached if it isn't defined in config. http://tinyurl.com/3hajede
2562 2011-05-09 16:45:26 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik * rf7ffe33179f7 pushpool/ (config.c msg.c server.c): Merge pull request #10 from shanew/memcached http://tinyurl.com/4xr86a3
2563 2011-05-09 16:45:35 <luke-jr> anyhow
2564 2011-05-09 16:45:36 <kika> luke-jr: it says problems connecting with bitcoin rpc
2565 2011-05-09 16:45:44 <luke-jr> could someone review and/or make a pull req for [12:30:24] <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr relay_eligius * r7f0c8f29f706 bitcoind-personal/ (main.cpp main.h): Allow relaying of transactions with lower fees accepted by Eligius http://tinyurl.com/3umedcs
2566 2011-05-09 16:45:50 <kika> luke-jr: do you have idea what can be going on on my pushpoold?
2567 2011-05-09 16:45:54 <luke-jr> kika: no
2568 2011-05-09 16:46:01 <ArtForz> luke-jr: go fuck yourself with a chainsaw. Btw, that's not an insult, just a friendly suggestion.
2569 2011-05-09 16:46:08 <luke-jr> ArtForz: no u
2570 2011-05-09 16:46:12 <gjs278> vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
2571 2011-05-09 16:46:19 <kika> luke-jr: maybe its because im using port forwarding for the 8777 port?
2572 2011-05-09 16:46:24 <luke-jr> kika: maybe.
2573 2011-05-09 16:46:51 <kika> luke-jr: if i setup apache reverse proxy i have to just make the reverse proxy to point to http://127.0.0.1:8337 right
2574 2011-05-09 16:46:51 <kika> ?
2575 2011-05-09 16:46:55 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: what exactly does that do?
2576 2011-05-09 16:47:09 <ErrydayimGenerat> i couldn't get poclbm to work either
2577 2011-05-09 16:47:18 <kika> luke-jr: like configure apache reverse proxy at port 80 to reverse proxy to http://127.0.0.1:8337 that might work uh ? do i need to make any other changes'
2578 2011-05-09 16:47:18 <ErrydayimGenerat> bitched at me a little and i gave up
2579 2011-05-09 16:47:23 <kika> ?
2580 2011-05-09 16:47:23 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: allows relaying transactions with fees less than 0.01 BTC, but large enough for Eligius to accept them
2581 2011-05-09 16:47:57 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r6244e44 / rpc.cpp :
2582 2011-05-09 16:47:57 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Merge pull request #160 from CAFxX/listtransactions-from
2583 2011-05-09 16:47:57 <CIA-30> bitcoin: add parameter "from" to listtransactions (range queries) - http://bit.ly/ijWiII
2584 2011-05-09 16:47:58 <BlueMatt> Hm, I would disagree there...is there a need for transactions like that?
2585 2011-05-09 16:48:04 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: â¦
2586 2011-05-09 16:48:10 <gjs278> there will be
2587 2011-05-09 16:48:14 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: is there a need to force people to pay fees larger than required?
2588 2011-05-09 16:48:37 <BlueMatt> wait, currently if a tx doesnt require a fee but include 0.005 what happens?
2589 2011-05-09 16:48:47 <luke-jr> that tx always requires a fee
2590 2011-05-09 16:49:01 <diki> tx=tax?
2591 2011-05-09 16:49:06 <BlueMatt> transaction
2592 2011-05-09 16:49:06 <gjs278> if luke-jr is willing to process my transaction for a fee of .004096 then the software should represent this
2593 2011-05-09 16:49:16 <kika> luke-jr: ProxyPassReverse /pool/ http://127.0.0.1:8337 do you think it will work that way ?
2594 2011-05-09 16:49:25 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: currently, if you send less than 0.01 BTC with only 0.00004096 fee, all the other nodes will refuse to relay it
2595 2011-05-09 16:49:37 <BlueMatt> gjs278: if it means passing around txes which represent spam I disagree
2596 2011-05-09 16:49:38 <kika> luke-jr: so i point the miners to http://publicip/pool/ on the URL parameter then ?
2597 2011-05-09 16:49:45 <BlueMatt> I dont want to waste my net bw on spam txes
2598 2011-05-09 16:49:57 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: how is it spam?
2599 2011-05-09 16:50:10 <gjs278> .01 is already 3 pennies
2600 2011-05-09 16:50:10 <BlueMatt> because they are paying next to nothing to send coins around all day
2601 2011-05-09 16:50:27 <BlueMatt> if someone is just sending coins for the sake of it, its spam
2602 2011-05-09 16:50:37 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: so you hate micropayments?
2603 2011-05-09 16:51:00 <BlueMatt> never said that, but a micro payment of .03 isnt quite a micropayment
2604 2011-05-09 16:51:09 <BlueMatt> its a nanopayment and you have to draw the line somewhere
2605 2011-05-09 16:51:18 <luke-jr> â¦
2606 2011-05-09 16:51:29 <luke-jr> micropayment is under .01 now
2607 2011-05-09 16:51:54 <BlueMatt> it is? oh well in that case, I think bitcoin is not the place for micropayment
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2609 2011-05-09 16:52:16 <kika> luke-jr: i think pushpoold server.c has many bugs...
2610 2011-05-09 16:52:46 <kika> luke-jr: loook at line 712 ... its using the username variable without initialize it first?
2611 2011-05-09 16:53:06 <kika> luke-jr: reqlog(req->remote_host, username, req->uri);
2612 2011-05-09 16:53:12 <jgarzik> kika: it's clearly initialized to an empty string
2613 2011-05-09 16:53:24 <kika> jgarzik: so how does it auth?
2614 2011-05-09 16:53:40 <jgarzik> kika: what are you talking about?
2615 2011-05-09 16:53:48 <kika> jgarzik: isnt supposed that the username of the user trying to connect should go there?
2616 2011-05-09 16:54:19 <kika> when i setup my poclbm.exe -user=hello
2617 2011-05-09 16:54:22 <kika> username should be filled with "hello" i think
2618 2011-05-09 16:54:23 <luke-jr> kika: learn C++
2619 2011-05-09 16:54:29 <jgarzik> kika: come on, this is reading-the-source-code stuff.
2620 2011-05-09 16:54:32 <kika> luke-jr: i already know C++
2621 2011-05-09 16:54:33 <gavinandresen> The right way to do micropayments with bitcoin is sendmany. Bundle up a bunch of little payments, then pay 0.01-btc-per-kilobyte.
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2623 2011-05-09 16:54:58 <BlueMatt> jaromil: around?
2624 2011-05-09 16:55:04 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: why pay more than you have to?
2625 2011-05-09 16:55:23 <jgarzik> kika: no, username is properly initialized at all times
2626 2011-05-09 16:55:27 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik * ree998ee0ad22 pushpool/ (config.c server.c server.h util.c): jansson, libmemcached compatibility wrappers http://tinyurl.com/63a3ycn
2627 2011-05-09 16:55:30 <kika> jgarzik: auth = evhttp_find_header(req->input_headers, "Authorization"); if (!auth) <--- that basically means that as long as i send a request using an "authorization" header ill be logged in ?
2628 2011-05-09 16:55:31 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik * r59f5ffff2137 pushpool/db-mysql.c: db-mysql.c: don't include sqlite3 header. remove obsolete #undef http://tinyurl.com/6ebcer6
2629 2011-05-09 16:55:42 <ArtForz> gavinandresen: stop injecting reason into a perfectly good flamewar ;)
2630 2011-05-09 16:55:49 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: to avoid spending too much on bw, its not just the miners that have to work on txes...market failure
2631 2011-05-09 16:55:49 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: 0.00008192 BTC per KB is enough to get it done within a day
2632 2011-05-09 16:55:52 <jgarzik> kika: it's value is either the correct username, or ""
2633 2011-05-09 16:56:05 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: meh, we are off uri
2634 2011-05-09 16:56:16 <kika> jgarzik: im trying to figure out where it fills the username with the correct username :/
2635 2011-05-09 16:56:25 <jgarzik> kika: valid_auth_hdr()
2636 2011-05-09 16:56:40 <jgarzik> kika: see the function parameter named "username_out" ?
2637 2011-05-09 16:57:05 <kika> jgarzik: yes i see it
2638 2011-05-09 16:57:21 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: topic is [12:30:24] <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr relay_eligius * r7f0c8f29f706 bitcoind-personal/ (main.cpp main.h): Allow relaying of transactions with lower fees accepted by Eligius http://tinyurl.com/3umedcs
2639 2011-05-09 16:57:55 <Kiba> a .01 is now .038 US cents
2640 2011-05-09 16:57:58 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I'd like to get that merged to mainline, if possible.
2641 2011-05-09 16:58:23 <ArtForz> no it's not
2642 2011-05-09 16:58:36 <kika> jgarzik: oh i see well i have to debug this because pushpoold isnt working with poclbm for me
2643 2011-05-09 16:58:36 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: next step would be to propose the client *send* less than 0.01 BTC per KB fee, since it isn't required
2644 2011-05-09 16:58:57 <kika> jgarzik: i dont know how you guys get pushpoold working with pclbm
2645 2011-05-09 16:59:22 <ArtForz> Kiba: it's about .038 usd or 3.8 us cents
2646 2011-05-09 16:59:38 <ArtForz> .038 cents would be about 0.0001 btc
2647 2011-05-09 16:59:46 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I'll pull just-the-reorg commit, the first one. The rest isn't baked yet.
2648 2011-05-09 16:59:47 <gavinandresen> Dropping the definition of "free" from less-than-0.01 to less-than-0.001 aught to be part of the next release, imho
2649 2011-05-09 16:59:56 <ArtForz> gavinandresen: agreed
2650 2011-05-09 17:00:04 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: agreed
2651 2011-05-09 17:00:08 <kika> jgarzik: why the pushpoold mainline lastest commit doesnt work with poclbm?
2652 2011-05-09 17:00:27 <jgarzik> kika: it works for others
2653 2011-05-09 17:00:27 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: this would be unrelated to that
2654 2011-05-09 17:00:38 <Kiba> it seems that we now have a large vibrant market now
2655 2011-05-09 17:00:49 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: IMHO 0.001 is a bit much, the "really low prio tx" thing is already causing a problem with the size of space allocated too them
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2657 2011-05-09 17:01:18 <kika> jgarzik: it works for me with other miners but not using poclbm, i even tested to connect using my poclbm to luke pool and it works so i think it might be because im port forwarding 8337 from my windows box to my linux vm ( pushpoold is running here )
2658 2011-05-09 17:01:22 <BlueMatt> there are very few legitimate reasons why 0.01 should be sent right now...I could see a day where microtxes become popular but now...?
2659 2011-05-09 17:01:30 <kika> jgarzik: do you think the port forwarding can be the problem?
2660 2011-05-09 17:01:48 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: that's just because we still have a lot of pre-0.3.21 users. If we succeed in making people think twice about sending tiny (less-than-10-us-cents) transactions, then that's a good thing.
2661 2011-05-09 17:01:48 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: if someone wants to send 0.0001 BTC, wx forces a 0.01 (or 0.001 with your proposal) fee even though 0.00005 BTC would be enough
2662 2011-05-09 17:01:55 <jgarzik> kika: who knows. depends on your setup.
2663 2011-05-09 17:02:11 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: then why lower the "free" bar?
2664 2011-05-09 17:02:17 <gjs278> does it use less overall resources to send .001 than it does to send 1.00
2665 2011-05-09 17:02:25 <luke-jr> gjs278: no
2666 2011-05-09 17:02:29 <BlueMatt> not really
2667 2011-05-09 17:02:30 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: we'll suffer a tragedy of the commons if the fee-to-me is less than the network-wide cost of a transaction
2668 2011-05-09 17:02:36 <jgarzik> My gut feeling says that MyBitcoin.com will stay on an older client for a while. They seem MIA this year.
2669 2011-05-09 17:02:45 <kika> jgarzik: i see no other reason for it to not work :/
2670 2011-05-09 17:02:53 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: huh?
2671 2011-05-09 17:03:13 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: yes, thats why Im confused as to why you want to lower the bar for free txes?
2672 2011-05-09 17:03:40 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: because the estimated network-wide cost is about 0.001 US dollars.
2673 2011-05-09 17:03:45 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: the cost to handle a tx is lower for the miner than the total of the network...miners should take into account the cost to the entire network but they dont
2674 2011-05-09 17:03:53 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: my patch does not change the effective fee suggested/forced by the client, nor the fee it accepts into blocks
2675 2011-05-09 17:03:58 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: ... so with BTC above $1, 0.001 BTC is more than that.
2676 2011-05-09 17:03:59 <BlueMatt> hence tragedy of the commons aka market failure
2677 2011-05-09 17:04:34 <kika> jgarzik: to setup apache to reverse proxy pushpoold 8337... ProxyPassReverse /pool/ http://127.0.0.1:8337 do you think it will work that way ?
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2679 2011-05-09 17:05:13 <jgarzik> kika: You need to fly on your own wings, baby caterpillar.
2680 2011-05-09 17:05:15 <BlueMatt> hmmm...but my concerns are more along the lines of noobs freaking out because their 0.01 tx is taking forever to confirm
2681 2011-05-09 17:05:20 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that would be a flaw with the system then
2682 2011-05-09 17:05:23 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: your patch looks like it adds complexity for no reason.
2683 2011-05-09 17:05:36 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: if relay costs are to be considered, the relay should be able to take that portion of the fee
2684 2011-05-09 17:05:55 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: it adds a slight complexity, as one step to allowing people to *actually* pay less fee
2685 2011-05-09 17:05:55 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: have fun figuring out how to do that securely
2686 2011-05-09 17:06:07 <BlueMatt> Though I guess I think 0.001 is a good idea if we have a more detailed dialog about fees in the client
2687 2011-05-09 17:06:15 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: so long as the majority of clients run 0.3.21 and earlier, it is impractical to lower the fee the client recommends
2688 2011-05-09 17:06:26 <BlueMatt> ie "this tx is of verly low priority and thus might not confirm for up to a day"
2689 2011-05-09 17:06:37 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: because those clients won't *relay* the transactions
2690 2011-05-09 17:06:58 jostmey has left ()
2691 2011-05-09 17:07:09 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: if I code such a dialog and pull req it would you be in favor?
2692 2011-05-09 17:07:21 <kika> jgarzik: weird well i think that ProxyPassReverse thing will work... ill have to try..
2693 2011-05-09 17:07:22 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ^
2694 2011-05-09 17:07:32 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: so any change has to be in 2 steps: first, enable relaying; then, only after a significant amount of people adopt the new version, the send limits can be reduced
2695 2011-05-09 17:07:37 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: did you hear my earlier idea?
2696 2011-05-09 17:07:46 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: 0.01 btc per kb^2
2697 2011-05-09 17:07:50 <BlueMatt> everyone attack gavin :)
2698 2011-05-09 17:08:07 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: no fee minimum, no ouput minimum for fee scheduling
2699 2011-05-09 17:08:09 * jgarzik throws an alpaca sock at gavin. wait, why am I throwing sock at gavin?
2700 2011-05-09 17:08:29 <BlueMatt> and alpaca ones at that, those things are amazing (from what I hear)
2701 2011-05-09 17:08:30 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: vast majority of normal transactions cost nothing
2702 2011-05-09 17:09:01 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: a 1mb tx costs over 10k btc.
2703 2011-05-09 17:09:21 <BlueMatt> a 1mb tx???
2704 2011-05-09 17:09:22 <BlueMatt> wtf?
2705 2011-05-09 17:09:50 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: you broke the build
2706 2011-05-09 17:09:54 <jgarzik> rpc.cpp: In function âjson_spirit::Value listtransactions(const json_spirit::Array&, bool)â:
2707 2011-05-09 17:09:54 <jgarzik> rpc.cpp:1122:77: error: invalid use of qualified-name âstd::advanceâ
2708 2011-05-09 17:10:21 <andrew12> i wonder how much it would cost for someone to send every single bitcoin in existance to one address
2709 2011-05-09 17:11:08 <ErrydayimGenerat> lets find out
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2711 2011-05-09 17:11:24 <luke-jr> haha
2712 2011-05-09 17:11:38 <andrew12> i.e. everyone in the bitcoin network sends their money to A. A wants to send all of their money to B. How much would A's transaction fee be?
2713 2011-05-09 17:11:43 * jgarzik throws two alpaca socks at gavin
2714 2011-05-09 17:11:50 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: none.
2715 2011-05-09 17:11:51 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: mmm, socks...
2716 2011-05-09 17:11:51 <Diablo-D3> wait
2717 2011-05-09 17:11:56 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: infinite.
2718 2011-05-09 17:12:03 <andrew12> wat
2719 2011-05-09 17:12:05 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: did I make sense yet? :p
2720 2011-05-09 17:12:08 <gavinandresen> All right, that's the second time I bit myself in my ass with auto-merge.
2721 2011-05-09 17:12:13 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: he'd hit tx max size quite a few times, for one.
2722 2011-05-09 17:12:20 <gavinandresen> I guess I'll do it the old fashioned way from now on.... sigh
2723 2011-05-09 17:12:31 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: yeah it needs a build-test button :)
2724 2011-05-09 17:12:37 <andrew12> tx max size? huh?
2725 2011-05-09 17:12:56 <Diablo-D3> yes, tx have max size
2726 2011-05-09 17:13:00 <Diablo-D3> its less than max blocks ize
2727 2011-05-09 17:13:07 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: if 0.3.22 starts sending 0.001 BTC without a fee, it will never get anywhere ever, because 99% of the nodes you connect to won't relay it. so 0.3.22 should change only the relay rules (and maybe mining rules) first. Then 0.3.23 can enable sending such transactions when 0.3.22 is widespread\
2728 2011-05-09 17:13:16 <andrew12> interesting
2729 2011-05-09 17:13:32 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: its less than 100 inputs too.
2730 2011-05-09 17:14:11 <Speeder> what is tonal?
2731 2011-05-09 17:14:36 <Diablo-D3> Speeder: child porn, luke-jr is into it
2732 2011-05-09 17:14:50 <gavinandresen> Speeder: maybe ask luke-jr in a private message....
2733 2011-05-09 17:14:53 <andrew12> it's a pointless way of confusing and pissing off people
2734 2011-05-09 17:14:58 <Speeder> O.o
2735 2011-05-09 17:15:00 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: liar
2736 2011-05-09 17:15:12 <luke-jr> Speeder: you can ask in #Tonal if you don't want to bug them here ;)
2737 2011-05-09 17:15:13 <Speeder> what is a alpaca sock?
2738 2011-05-09 17:15:15 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: dude, tell that to the fbi
2739 2011-05-09 17:15:20 <Diablo-D3> Speeder: a sock made of alpaca wool.
2740 2011-05-09 17:15:30 <jgarzik> luke-jr: sendmany example proves that sufficient mining nodes will upgrade to make such minor rule changes doable
2741 2011-05-09 17:15:31 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: they already investigated me for some other retard's allegation.
2742 2011-05-09 17:15:32 <gjs278> alpaca is dog
2743 2011-05-09 17:15:36 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: stfu, dont make another flame war
2744 2011-05-09 17:15:40 <andrew12> http://www.grasshillalpacas.com/alpacaproductsforbitcoinoffer.html
2745 2011-05-09 17:15:41 <luke-jr> jgarzik: how quickly?
2746 2011-05-09 17:15:45 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: why not?
2747 2011-05-09 17:15:47 <Speeder> Diablo-D3: I wonder what is a alpaca..
2748 2011-05-09 17:15:48 <jgarzik> luke-jr: within a day or two
2749 2011-05-09 17:15:58 <Diablo-D3> Speeder: sorta like a wooly llama, but not
2750 2011-05-09 17:16:01 <luke-jr> jgarzik: but the people using sendmany are also the ones who wanted it
2751 2011-05-09 17:16:05 <kika> jgarzik: maybe we need to trim if (strcasecmp(t_type, "basic")) line 600 at server.c for poclbm to work?
2752 2011-05-09 17:16:10 <Speeder> interesting, Alpaca Socks DO exist
2753 2011-05-09 17:16:11 <Speeder> itneresting
2754 2011-05-09 17:16:15 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I see a lot of old nodes on the network stillâ¦
2755 2011-05-09 17:16:22 <kika> jgarzik: sorry i lean line 600 user = t_userpass;
2756 2011-05-09 17:16:24 <Diablo-D3> yes, it was the first commercially available product to be sold with bitcoins
2757 2011-05-09 17:16:25 <luke-jr> jgarzik: and it isn't just miners that need to upgrade for this one
2758 2011-05-09 17:16:27 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's EVERYONE
2759 2011-05-09 17:16:36 * jgarzik hands BlueMatt a /ignore :) It makes your life easier.
2760 2011-05-09 17:16:50 <ArtForz> luke-jr: no it isn't, thanks for playing
2761 2011-05-09 17:16:51 <jgarzik> luke-jr: old clients will accept valid, mined blocks with weird TX fee policies.
2762 2011-05-09 17:16:52 <gjs278> you only get one
2763 2011-05-09 17:16:53 <ArtForz> yep
2764 2011-05-09 17:17:02 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: as I said, I really dont like /ignore ing people, if they are that anoying they should be kicked instead
2765 2011-05-09 17:17:25 <ArtForz> so you only need enough new-rules clients to have a decent chance of the tx reaching most miners
2766 2011-05-09 17:17:35 <gjs278> ;;roll
2767 2011-05-09 17:17:36 <gribble> Error: "roll" is not a valid command.
2768 2011-05-09 17:17:43 <luke-jr> jgarzik: but old clients will block the transaction from getting to miners
2769 2011-05-09 17:17:44 <gjs278> add ;;roll please
2770 2011-05-09 17:17:47 <ArtForz> but yeah, 2-stage rollout is a *very* good idea
2771 2011-05-09 17:17:50 <jgarzik> I _really_ dislike kicking. IRC channel wars in general are lame. /ignore is a better tool than wasting your time arguing with tools.
2772 2011-05-09 17:18:23 <BlueMatt> if you have to /ignore someone they are probably bugging the rest of the chan as well, and should be kicked IMHO, but then again wtf do I know?
2773 2011-05-09 17:18:24 <Speeder> what technicality you people are arguing about?
2774 2011-05-09 17:18:25 <ArtForz> at least wait until the major pools and the 100s-of-peers-nodes have upgraded and will accept and forward 0.001 tx
2775 2011-05-09 17:18:32 <jgarzik> a 2-stage rollout will occur naturally. once the new rules are "out there", clients will start using them, as their chance of success gets higher.
2776 2011-05-09 17:18:40 <Speeder> oh, you are talking about accepting 0.001 BTC transfers?
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2778 2011-05-09 17:18:52 <BlueMatt> Speeder: yes, without fees
2779 2011-05-09 17:19:01 <Speeder> Good :D
2780 2011-05-09 17:19:03 <jgarzik> so the important step is fee change in next version (as gavin's already been talking about)
2781 2011-05-09 17:19:11 <ArtForz> yep
2782 2011-05-09 17:19:12 <jgarzik> IMO
2783 2011-05-09 17:19:14 <Speeder> The original japanese author is still around?
2784 2011-05-09 17:19:20 <ArtForz> not really
2785 2011-05-09 17:19:27 <luke-jr> jgarzik: all I'm saying is that the "you need this fee" part cannot practically change until the "relay this fee" is deployed
2786 2011-05-09 17:19:29 mologie has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2787 2011-05-09 17:19:30 <BlueMatt> not really, still responds to some emails but not all
2788 2011-05-09 17:19:30 <gjs278> satoshi was bin laden
2789 2011-05-09 17:19:30 <andrew12> he wasn't around much to begin with
2790 2011-05-09 17:19:43 <andrew12> =p
2791 2011-05-09 17:19:57 mologie has joined
2792 2011-05-09 17:20:31 <kika> jgarzik: my_pwdb_lookup isnt filling password i think
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2794 2011-05-09 17:20:39 <ArtForz> I just have the slight feeling that just enabling sending no-fee 0.001 tx without waiting a while for nodes and miners to upgrade might be a bad idea
2795 2011-05-09 17:20:57 <Diablo-D3> no fee 0.001tx? heh
2796 2011-05-09 17:20:59 <kika> jgarzik: how come?
2797 2011-05-09 17:21:13 <ArtForz> *0.001 tx output
2798 2011-05-09 17:21:24 <kika> jgarzik: i see it just gets it from the db nvm
2799 2011-05-09 17:21:57 <Diablo-D3> okay Im going to bed for real
2800 2011-05-09 17:21:58 <Diablo-D3> night all
2801 2011-05-09 17:22:05 <BlueMatt> night Diablo-D3
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2803 2011-05-09 17:22:08 <jgarzik> kika: Like I keep saying, I'm not here to debug your personal setup. Use The Source, open a debugger, figure it out. It works for others.
2804 2011-05-09 17:22:18 <kika> jgarzik: okay
2805 2011-05-09 17:22:19 <gavinandresen> ArtForz, luke-jr: you're right, just changing it could make for a rough week or so while people upgrade.
2806 2011-05-09 17:22:24 <ArtForz> one small "problem", the < 0.01 part doesnt have to be the sent amount, and people will wonder whyTF their tx take AGES to confirm
2807 2011-05-09 17:22:34 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: if the miners change first, who will notice?
2808 2011-05-09 17:22:50 <luke-jr> jgarzik: the problem isn't the miners, it's the relaying
2809 2011-05-09 17:22:52 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: anybody connected to all 0.3.21 nodes
2810 2011-05-09 17:22:56 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: yea, we need to change the dialog before any of this 0.001 business
2811 2011-05-09 17:23:23 <gavinandresen> ... which suggests a possible solution: notice the version of who you're connected to, and if majority is pre-change then suggest 0.01 fee.
2812 2011-05-09 17:23:30 <gavinandresen> otherwise suggest 0.001.
2813 2011-05-09 17:23:45 <ArtForz> hmmm
2814 2011-05-09 17:23:45 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: how do you know the version of the peers *they're* connected to?
2815 2011-05-09 17:23:47 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: ? if the miners change first, you won't have anybody [except maybe miners] generating these TX's.
2816 2011-05-09 17:23:48 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: too complicated
2817 2011-05-09 17:23:56 <jgarzik> just change first, let the community "soak it in"
2818 2011-05-09 17:24:01 <BlueMatt> wait Im confused...I thought we were lowering the bar for free txes to 0.001 txout, or is it 0.001 fee?
2819 2011-05-09 17:24:02 <jgarzik> people won't start using 0.0001 until it works
2820 2011-05-09 17:24:04 <jgarzik> simple
2821 2011-05-09 17:24:08 <jgarzik> er, 0.001
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2823 2011-05-09 17:24:15 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: I think both? I'm confused now, too
2824 2011-05-09 17:24:31 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: obviously we need some kind of a mechanism to propagate acceptable fees from miners, but until then, two-stage changes are probably safest
2825 2011-05-09 17:24:33 <jgarzik> IMO: both
2826 2011-05-09 17:24:35 <luke-jr> and simplest
2827 2011-05-09 17:24:54 <jgarzik> if we simply change the rules, nature and the market will sort out the details
2828 2011-05-09 17:24:56 <jgarzik> as it should
2829 2011-05-09 17:24:56 <BlueMatt> IMO only fee (and the dialog)
2830 2011-05-09 17:25:00 <luke-jr> jgarzik: right now, people just get OK/Cancel, I think?
2831 2011-05-09 17:25:06 <ArtForz> luke-jr: thats pretty hard to do safely and in any sane manner
2832 2011-05-09 17:25:25 <luke-jr> ArtForz: it's complex, but doable. I'm not suggesting doing it before 0.3.22
2833 2011-05-09 17:25:54 <ArtForz> random future idea, have miners put their fee schedule (or something like a hash of it referencing some kind of distributed store) in coinbase?
2834 2011-05-09 17:25:57 <gavinandresen> So easiest two-stage change is: next version accepts/mines with 0.001, but always suggest 0.01-per-k fee. (new setting to override?)
2835 2011-05-09 17:26:17 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: fee or txout?
2836 2011-05-09 17:26:33 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: right; except I'd like it to relay down to 0.00004096 too if possible ;)
2837 2011-05-09 17:26:41 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: ??? luke-jr: no
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2840 2011-05-09 17:27:00 <luke-jr> so relay=4,096, accept=100,000, send=1,000,000
2841 2011-05-09 17:27:03 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: accepts with 0.001 fee or 0.001 txout?
2842 2011-05-09 17:27:06 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: why not?
2843 2011-05-09 17:27:22 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: because then you go way below the network-wide costs
2844 2011-05-09 17:27:50 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: definition of "free" would change from "less than 0.01" to "less than 0.001", which affects both the transaction-spam size and the min fee size.
2845 2011-05-09 17:28:03 <BlueMatt> ah, ok
2846 2011-05-09 17:28:18 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: client would lag one-step behind when it came to asking the user whether to accept a fee and what that fee should be
2847 2011-05-09 17:28:38 <ArtForz> gavinandresen, BlueMatt: 0.001 min output and fee sounds quite reasonable
2848 2011-05-09 17:28:48 <ArtForz> actually maybe still a bit high
2849 2011-05-09 17:28:51 <jostmey> Sorry for posting this again. I am wanting to know what anyone thinks of my new website plugin. It is a feed of items for sale in the bitcoin community.
2850 2011-05-09 17:28:53 <BlueMatt> I still dont see much reason for 0.001 output, though I agree with 0.001 fee
2851 2011-05-09 17:29:11 <jostmey> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7731.0
2852 2011-05-09 17:29:59 <jostmey> I am hoping that the plugin will help show the world that the bitcoin community has stuff to sell! It is about more than just trading currencies.
2853 2011-05-09 17:30:22 <Kiba> there's a lot of stuff in the bitcoin marketplace
2854 2011-05-09 17:30:58 <Kiba> I heard one bitcoiner said there's so much traffic there that it become impossible for him to learn everything that's selling in the forum
2855 2011-05-09 17:30:59 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: so... you'd rather keep the "if you send less than 0.01 you must pay a fee" but make the default/minimum fee smaller?
2856 2011-05-09 17:31:19 <BlueMatt> yes
2857 2011-05-09 17:31:21 <gavinandresen> jostmey: widget looks very spiffy
2858 2011-05-09 17:31:23 <jostmey> Kiba: you think I should add stuff from teh bitcoin marketplace to the feed?
2859 2011-05-09 17:31:29 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: agree w/ ArtForz. I bet we change the fee again soon.
2860 2011-05-09 17:31:35 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: I think I'd be OK with that.
2861 2011-05-09 17:31:39 <jostmey> Thanks. I am actuall wanting to put more work into its design. I am not quite satisfied yet.
2862 2011-05-09 17:31:59 <BlueMatt> either way dialog needs some upgrades (FWIW: there were complaints on the forums as well)
2863 2011-05-09 17:32:03 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: OK with that, too
2864 2011-05-09 17:32:08 <Kiba> jostmey: it subdivided into sell and buy now
2865 2011-05-09 17:32:22 <ArtForz> changing it in the future really isn't that difficult
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2867 2011-05-09 17:32:28 <Kiba> I think bitcoinbulletin is very noisy, have so many things on it
2868 2011-05-09 17:32:31 <jgarzik> difficulty 157,000 here we come!
2869 2011-05-09 17:32:39 <ArtForz> so I guess 0.001 would be fine for now
2870 2011-05-09 17:32:40 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I'd be ok dropping min fee to something like 0.0005 BTC, but I think 0.0001 is too small.
2871 2011-05-09 17:32:40 <BlueMatt> oh god
2872 2011-05-09 17:32:50 <jostmey> Kiba: I did not know that. Can you give me a URL t the sell page, so that I know exactly what you are talking about?
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2874 2011-05-09 17:33:06 <Kiba> the marketplace have sell and buy subforum
2875 2011-05-09 17:33:13 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: that works
2876 2011-05-09 17:33:17 <ArtForz> gavinandresen: yup
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2878 2011-05-09 17:33:39 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: yep
2879 2011-05-09 17:33:44 <jostmey> Kiba: Yeah, but it the bitcoinbulletin is getting a lot of traffic. Spener told me had 3000 pages views already today.
2880 2011-05-09 17:34:20 <ArtForz> I guess at decently > $5/btc 0.0001 would start to make sense
2881 2011-05-09 17:34:25 <gavinandresen> If we divorce the "spammy transaction size" from "min fee" numbers, then maybe 0.0005 makes sense (0.01/0.0005 looks a lot different than 0.01 / 0.001)
2882 2011-05-09 17:34:37 <BlueMatt> so, its agreed? new minfee should be 0.0005, minout still 0.01, tx dialog/fee notice reworded/done
2883 2011-05-09 17:34:43 <nanotube> gavinandresen: i'd buy min .001 with .001 fee. :)
2884 2011-05-09 17:35:21 <nanotube> but i'm ok with keeping min txvalue at .01 as well.
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2886 2011-05-09 17:35:32 <jgarzik> new minfee 0.0005 should be easy (and IMO go first)
2887 2011-05-09 17:35:46 <ArtForz> nanotube: then the "but but but micropayments!!!" people will start whining again...
2888 2011-05-09 17:36:10 <ArtForz> but yeah, I'd be fine with it
2889 2011-05-09 17:36:39 <ArtForz> I just think 0.01/kB is a bit crazy when 0.01 btc is nearly 4 us cents
2890 2011-05-09 17:36:40 <nanotube> <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: because the estimated network-wide cost is about 0.001 US dollars. <-- how do you figure that? i'd be mighty curious to know.
2891 2011-05-09 17:36:42 <jgarzik> ArtForz: strongly agreed
2892 2011-05-09 17:36:45 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: as a sidenote, have you tried autotools on mingw on fedora?
2893 2011-05-09 17:36:51 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rc0430f4 / rpc.cpp : Fix broken build (invalid use of qualified name std::advance) - http://bit.ly/mb0E9m
2894 2011-05-09 17:36:54 <ArtForz> unless you're a mobile carrier, then it's a bargain ;)
2895 2011-05-09 17:37:02 <nanotube> ArtForz: hahaha
2896 2011-05-09 17:37:04 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yes :) I've told you this several times. That's how cpuminer win32 gets built.
2897 2011-05-09 17:37:13 <BlueMatt> no I mean bitcoin autotools branch
2898 2011-05-09 17:37:16 <gavinandresen> nanotube: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3332.0
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2900 2011-05-09 17:37:32 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I tried an earlier one, and after hacking, I got bitcoind built on win32
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2902 2011-05-09 17:37:51 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: wx is a pain, so I simply avoided
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2904 2011-05-09 17:38:22 <BlueMatt> oh, hm, well then I suppose Im fine with current autotools pull (obviously sans my repo's crap)
2905 2011-05-09 17:38:34 <BlueMatt> though I think jaromil was going to do more work before he wanted it pulled
2906 2011-05-09 17:39:05 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: at the time I reviewed it, it seemed ready to go once libtool cruft was removed
2907 2011-05-09 17:39:11 <BlueMatt> has anyone tried autotools on win32 mingw?
2908 2011-05-09 17:41:07 <BlueMatt> wrt mingw xcompiling, normally when you set --host on an autotools ./configure, it sets up xcompiling pretty well (mentions xcompiling in the output) but for some reason jaromil's branch does not
2909 2011-05-09 17:41:30 <BlueMatt> in any case, can it get a couple more days to test?
2910 2011-05-09 17:42:14 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: it's not gonna get pulled anytime in the next couple days
2911 2011-05-09 17:42:23 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I'm just going to pull the file reorg
2912 2011-05-09 17:42:29 <BlueMatt> oh, ok fair enough
2913 2011-05-09 17:43:07 <rlifchitz> ;;bc,stats
2914 2011-05-09 17:43:11 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122941 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 34 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 41 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 157033.25172326
2915 2011-05-09 17:43:12 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I would personally prefer .0005 over .001
2916 2011-05-09 17:43:35 <nanotube> gavinandresen: ah interesting...
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2919 2011-05-09 17:44:37 <nanotube> gavinandresen: ideally... i would like to see some code that allows miners to easily tweak their preferred fee amounts based on tx backlog etc... and to communicate that information to the rest of the clients.
2920 2011-05-09 17:44:53 <nanotube> iow, a free market for transaction fees.
2921 2011-05-09 17:45:07 <luke-jr> nanotube: I think that's impractical for the timeframe being discussed
2922 2011-05-09 17:45:13 <gavinandresen> nanotube: uh-huh.... I'd like to see baby-steps on the way to that ideal.
2923 2011-05-09 17:45:14 <nanotube> this "central planning" of fee amounts is not very sustainable.
2924 2011-05-09 17:45:24 <nanotube> gavinandresen: yes i mean, "eventually", not for .22 release.
2925 2011-05-09 17:45:27 <nanotube> luke-jr: ^
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2929 2011-05-09 17:45:49 <luke-jr> nanotube: IMO, allowing miners to "vote" on minimums with their coinbases is maybe a way to do it
2930 2011-05-09 17:46:00 <luke-jr> nanotube: but there needs to be a compact way to encode miner rules for that
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2932 2011-05-09 17:46:28 <nanotube> luke-jr: right, something like that. first, we make a protocol for conveying that information to the clients via block chain.
2933 2011-05-09 17:46:30 <gavinandresen> I still think a smart client can infer what it needs to know about fees by looking at the transaction memory pool backlog and recently generated blocks.
2934 2011-05-09 17:46:32 <luke-jr> and if a big miner changes his rules, it would have an unacceptably large propagation delay
2935 2011-05-09 17:46:40 <nanotube> that way, you know exactly by how much to weight any miner's vote - if he makes many blocks, he counts for mer.
2936 2011-05-09 17:46:51 <nanotube> then eventually, we introduce code into clients that actually uses that info
2937 2011-05-09 17:47:00 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: that's a good idea
2938 2011-05-09 17:47:00 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
2939 2011-05-09 17:47:03 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122942 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 33 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 34 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 157067.28233329
2940 2011-05-09 17:47:10 <gavinandresen> And I think any scheme that relies on miners telling the truth opens up lots of possible avenues for trying to game the system
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2942 2011-05-09 17:47:17 <jgarzik> gavinandresen, BlueMatt, sipa, tcatm: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7749.0 "New TX fee: 0.0005 BTC"
2943 2011-05-09 17:47:31 <nanotube> gavinandresen: indeed. at any rate - something less 'centrally-planned' :)
2944 2011-05-09 17:49:21 <ArtForz> gavinandresen: I don't see how a client can infer anything about the fee schedules of mienrs by just looking at historic transaction queues and blocks without more prior knowledge
2945 2011-05-09 17:49:46 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: agreed, and I think we need such smart clients. Our software should be smart enough to generate transactions that are likely to get confirmed in under an hour. That means being smart about fee selection. Having transactions hang around in limbo for hours is an awful user experience.
2946 2011-05-09 17:50:00 <ArtForz> unless we somehow force everyone to stick to one very simple scheme
2947 2011-05-09 17:50:05 <jgarzik> that's why I want to expire TX's out of cache after 1 day
2948 2011-05-09 17:50:21 <jgarzik> opens the door to smarter transaction cancelled, down the line. a baby step.
2949 2011-05-09 17:50:28 <jgarzik> *cancellation
2950 2011-05-09 17:50:55 <andrew12> are transaction fees paid to whoever generated the block that those txs end up in?
2951 2011-05-09 17:51:01 <ArtForz> yep
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2953 2011-05-09 17:51:36 <andrew12> oic
2954 2011-05-09 17:51:41 <gdoteof> bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin has three designations for transactiosn: high priority, neutral, low priority
2955 2011-05-09 17:51:47 <andrew12> i thought they were paid to whoever generated those bitcoins
2956 2011-05-09 17:51:48 <gdoteof> what is the difference between high/low/neutral
2957 2011-05-09 17:52:15 <gdoteof> and how is the 'priority' integer generated for non-high priority transactions?
2958 2011-05-09 17:52:24 <ArtForz> the priority *ducks*
2959 2011-05-09 17:52:38 <andrew12> lol
2960 2011-05-09 17:52:45 <gdoteof> there are even low priority ones with fees
2961 2011-05-09 17:52:51 <gdoteof> and high priority ones without fees
2962 2011-05-09 17:52:53 <ArtForz> sum(#confirms of input * value of input) / size of transaction
2963 2011-05-09 17:52:55 <ArtForz> yes
2964 2011-05-09 17:53:04 <gavinandresen> high priority == includes fee of at lest 0.01 BTC per kilobyte (rounded up)
2965 2011-05-09 17:53:04 <ArtForz> because priority doesnt care about fees currently
2966 2011-05-09 17:53:24 <xelister> speaking of priority
2967 2011-05-09 17:53:38 <xelister> good job OpenCL and EVERYONE for not implementing it in opencl.
2968 2011-05-09 17:53:44 <gavinandresen> normal priority == no fee (or fee less than 0.01BTC per kilobyte), priority greater than 58K or so
2969 2011-05-09 17:53:48 <gavinandresen> low priority == all others
2970 2011-05-09 17:53:54 <xelister> because radeon5970 workstation seems indeed like single-user computer.
2971 2011-05-09 17:53:58 <ArtForz> xelister: how would that work?
2972 2011-05-09 17:54:03 <gdoteof> gavinandresen: thanks
2973 2011-05-09 17:54:12 <gdoteof> and ArtForz; ty
2974 2011-05-09 17:54:27 <ArtForz> current GPUs are still essentially single-threaded
2975 2011-05-09 17:54:28 <gavinandresen> priority is a function of size-in-bitcoins, size-in-bytes, and age of inputs
2976 2011-05-09 17:54:49 <gdoteof> the designation on bitcoincharts.com.. is that arbitrary or does the miner itself sort transactions based on that algorithm
2977 2011-05-09 17:54:57 <xelister> ArtForz: set priority on OpenCL programs and X applications. if Desktop runs on default prio0 and OpenCL renderer on nice=20 and OpenCL boinc=10 then boinc would be betting x2 speed of miner, and neither of them would lag the desktop
2978 2011-05-09 17:55:20 <xelister> ArtForz: preempt them. Yeah would require other hardware...
2979 2011-05-09 17:55:34 <gavinandresen> gdoteof: bitcoincharts matches the 0.3.21 rules for relaying transactions and including them in blocks (low-priority aren't relayed or included by 0.3.21 clients)
2980 2011-05-09 17:55:38 <ArtForz> yep
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2984 2011-05-09 17:56:07 <ArtForz> currently drivers do something very similar to cooperative multithreading
2985 2011-05-09 17:56:25 <ArtForz> which is why having long-running kernels kills system performance so well
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2987 2011-05-09 17:56:48 <gdoteof> gavinandresen: does that suggest that low priority transactions will stew forever once everyone updates their software?
2988 2011-05-09 17:57:04 <gdoteof> that seems unlikely. i guess it's just the pools that take care of them?
2989 2011-05-09 17:57:19 <jgarzik> gdoteof: well, it's intended that spam sits at the bottom of the barrel
2990 2011-05-09 17:57:30 <ArtForz> and transactions gain priority by simply aging
2991 2011-05-09 17:57:39 <gdoteof> oh duh
2992 2011-05-09 17:59:09 <diki> so im almost done but now i need sqlite 3.x
2993 2011-05-09 17:59:21 <brycek> heh i found a way to make mining not lag my desktop
2994 2011-05-09 17:59:23 <diki> problem is i can't seemt to find it for linux
2995 2011-05-09 17:59:29 * luke-jr facepalms
2996 2011-05-09 17:59:30 <gdoteof> I guess my last question then is, will bitcoind automatically create transactions in such a way to create teh highest possible priority? or can i 'encourage it' to someway? ie by using one input when possible and/or pulling from the oldest confirmed inputs
2997 2011-05-09 17:59:41 <brycek> get an ec2 spot instance 8)
2998 2011-05-09 17:59:44 <gdoteof> diki you can't apt-get yum-install it?
2999 2011-05-09 17:59:52 <ArtForz> gdoteof: it should
3000 2011-05-09 17:59:54 <diki> oh i need yum?
3001 2011-05-09 18:00:04 <brycek> diki: which distro?
3002 2011-05-09 18:00:04 <BlueMatt> gdoteof: you can give it a fee
3003 2011-05-09 18:00:04 <ArtForz> iirc it tries to pick the oldest inputs first
3004 2011-05-09 18:00:14 <gdoteof> BlueMatt: right outside of that i meant
3005 2011-05-09 18:00:31 <diki> says that no package sqlite exits
3006 2011-05-09 18:00:34 <BlueMatt> yes it tries to do that
3007 2011-05-09 18:00:40 <brycek> try sqlite3
3008 2011-05-09 18:00:41 <diki> ubuntu 11.04
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3010 2011-05-09 18:01:59 <diki> i tried, couldnt find it with yum so i tried apt-get install sqlite3 and it supposedly installed it
3011 2011-05-09 18:02:06 <diki> however i still get missing sqlite 3.x library
3012 2011-05-09 18:02:09 <jgarzik> hum
3013 2011-05-09 18:02:13 <brycek> type sqlite3 at the prompt
3014 2011-05-09 18:02:16 <brycek> and see if it pops up
3015 2011-05-09 18:02:18 <jgarzik> who was doing the import/export key patch?
3016 2011-05-09 18:02:20 <jgarzik> I don't see a pull req
3017 2011-05-09 18:02:26 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sipa?
3018 2011-05-09 18:02:32 <brycek> if it does, ctrl-d to quit, and figure out why your tool isn't finding the library
3019 2011-05-09 18:02:42 <diki> says enter sql statements etc
3020 2011-05-09 18:02:46 <gdoteof> diki do `apt-get build-dep sqlite3`
3021 2011-05-09 18:02:46 <brycek> ok
3022 2011-05-09 18:02:51 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: you mean for wallet?
3023 2011-05-09 18:02:52 <brycek> so sqlite3 is installed and working
3024 2011-05-09 18:02:53 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: sipa
3025 2011-05-09 18:02:58 <brycek> maybe sqlite3-dev needs to be installed?
3026 2011-05-09 18:03:07 <brycek> or -devel or w/e
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3028 2011-05-09 18:05:42 * netxshare kicks computer
3029 2011-05-09 18:06:23 <diki> i did apt-get build-dep sqlite3 but still get the error
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3031 2011-05-09 18:07:16 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * rb17be7e / (194 files in 18 dirs):
3032 2011-05-09 18:07:16 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Manual merge of jaromil's source tree reorg commit.
3033 2011-05-09 18:07:16 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Conflicts:
3034 2011-05-09 18:07:16 <CIA-30> bitcoin: src/sha256.cpp - http://bit.ly/msV9Ji
3035 2011-05-09 18:07:19 <ArtForz> missing libsqlite3-dev ?
3036 2011-05-09 18:07:21 <jgarzik> ok people
3037 2011-05-09 18:07:22 <jgarzik> build test time
3038 2011-05-09 18:07:22 <BlueMatt> oh god, now I have to rebase enverything...
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3040 2011-05-09 18:07:46 <BlueMatt> are my nightlies going to die?
3041 2011-05-09 18:08:02 <BlueMatt> ...yep
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3043 2011-05-09 18:09:36 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7750.0
3044 2011-05-09 18:09:36 <jgarzik> [PULL] Bitcoin source code tree re-organization
3045 2011-05-09 18:09:50 <luke-jr> O.O
3046 2011-05-09 18:10:03 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I second your concern, but I suspect it's for the better
3047 2011-05-09 18:10:10 <BlueMatt> no, I agree
3048 2011-05-09 18:10:26 <BlueMatt> its a necessary problem and needs to be dealt with now, before we break more things
3049 2011-05-09 18:10:33 <BlueMatt> I was just complaining for the sake of it ;)
3050 2011-05-09 18:10:39 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r59d18ad / rpc.cpp : listtransactions number-of-params check was wrong. - http://bit.ly/lnGuYB
3051 2011-05-09 18:10:44 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r91b8932 / (194 files in 18 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:bitcoin/bitcoin - http://bit.ly/jqLyJl
3052 2011-05-09 18:10:45 <luke-jr> does the reorganizing allow building both GUI and daemon while compiling shared code only once?
3053 2011-05-09 18:10:48 <diki> install it finally, however still, on configure now i get a syntax error on the libcurl_check etc
3054 2011-05-09 18:10:59 <diki> libcurl_check_config
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3057 2011-05-09 18:12:28 <jgarzik> luke-jr: the reorg is intentionally very dumb. just sorting files into directories, absolutely no other changes
3058 2011-05-09 18:12:35 <luke-jr> jgarzik: yeah, just noticed that
3059 2011-05-09 18:12:37 <jgarzik> luke-jr: any additional work should be in additional, separate commits
3060 2011-05-09 18:12:42 <luke-jr> this actually shouldn't be too hard to rebase
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3062 2011-05-09 18:13:28 <BlueMatt> will git figure it out? or does one have to do it manually?
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3064 2011-05-09 18:13:41 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: builds OK for me (using a slightly hacked makefile.osx makefile)
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3066 2011-05-09 18:14:06 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: git will figure out a merge, better than a rebase
3067 2011-05-09 18:14:13 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: but it's doable
3068 2011-05-09 18:14:37 <BlueMatt> merge then rebase should do it right?
3069 2011-05-09 18:15:08 <diki> jgarzik, which jansson version did you use?
3070 2011-05-09 18:15:12 <BlueMatt> hey look at that, 2 commands and no problems
3071 2011-05-09 18:15:19 <jgarzik> diki: 1.x
3072 2011-05-09 18:15:27 <diki> i am getting some errors on compilation(finnaly got past configure)
3073 2011-05-09 18:16:47 <luke-jr> jgarzik: git pull --rebase # should work?
3074 2011-05-09 18:17:11 <brycek> http://blog.brycekerley.net/post/5338746136/bitcoin-mining-on-amazon-ec2 i made a thing
3075 2011-05-09 18:17:51 <lfm> brycek: that was tried nearly a year ago
3076 2011-05-09 18:18:16 <ArtForzZz> and again. and again. and again.
3077 2011-05-09 18:18:20 <jgarzik> brycek: put 'this isnt profitable' in bold, as a service to humanity
3078 2011-05-09 18:18:26 <brycek> it's in there three times
3079 2011-05-09 18:18:52 <ArtForzZz> theres about half a dozen posts actually doing the math in the mining forum
3080 2011-05-09 18:18:59 <brycek> i read them
3081 2011-05-09 18:19:05 <brycek> i just wanted to mess with ec2
3082 2011-05-09 18:19:32 <ArtForzZz> so why not do anything actually ... worthwhile?
3083 2011-05-09 18:20:00 <brycek> couldn't think of anything worthwhile this morning
3084 2011-05-09 18:20:01 <ArtForzZz> instead of "look, I did the same thing as everyone else, and got exactly the same result"
3085 2011-05-09 18:20:13 <gjs278> the problem with ec2
3086 2011-05-09 18:20:15 <luke-jr> lol
3087 2011-05-09 18:20:23 <gjs278> was that before
3088 2011-05-09 18:20:25 <lfm> ArtForzZz: hey he maybe learnt something, just is isnt teaching the rest of us anything
3089 2011-05-09 18:20:29 <gjs278> clearly you could mine a lot of coins with it
3090 2011-05-09 18:20:35 <gjs278> but at the time, the coins were worthless
3091 2011-05-09 18:20:41 <gjs278> but if your goal was to get coins no matter what
3092 2011-05-09 18:20:47 <gjs278> with the intent of selling them way down the line
3093 2011-05-09 18:20:49 <gjs278> it was worth it
3094 2011-05-09 18:20:54 <ArtForzZz> gjs278: nope
3095 2011-05-09 18:21:02 <luke-jr> gjs278: cheaper to buy them
3096 2011-05-09 18:21:07 <ArtForzZz> before gpu mining, other cloud providers were cheaper
3097 2011-05-09 18:21:11 <gjs278> if you bought them you raised prices
3098 2011-05-09 18:21:46 <gjs278> I agree that buying them would be cheaper but if you just mined them you wouldn't push the pool as much
3099 2011-05-09 18:21:49 <ArtForzZz> with gpu mining, assembling a rack of simple radeon based miners is cheaper
3100 2011-05-09 18:22:04 <diki> now i get libcurl is missing...
3101 2011-05-09 18:22:06 <brycek> cheaper in the long run, higher up-front costs
3102 2011-05-09 18:22:08 <gjs278> that's true, but you could still have made money on ec2
3103 2011-05-09 18:22:10 <diki> i assure you, it's there
3104 2011-05-09 18:22:13 <gjs278> just not nearly as much
3105 2011-05-09 18:22:16 <ArtForzZz> long run = "more than a few days"
3106 2011-05-09 18:23:07 <gjs278> plus it depends what the goal was. if the goal was to make money, the actual setup is clearly the way to go because you can liquidate the hardware afterwards
3107 2011-05-09 18:23:41 <ArtForzZz> yep
3108 2011-05-09 18:24:09 <brycek> in this case, the goal was use ec2, which didn't require going anywhere or pants
3109 2011-05-09 18:24:29 <gjs278> ec2 was too much of a gamble to use though
3110 2011-05-09 18:24:31 <lfm> ah yes, the pants factor
3111 2011-05-09 18:24:41 <gjs278> nobody could predict the coins would go from 60 cents to $3.80 in two months
3112 2011-05-09 18:24:58 <gjs278> so you would have to have pants on head to actually think it was worth it at the time
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3114 2011-05-09 18:25:27 <lfm> brycek: actualy I think you could buy GPUs online without pants
3115 2011-05-09 18:25:38 <gjs278> yeah just hit up vlad
3116 2011-05-09 18:25:39 <ArtForzZz> what? you need pants to order GPUs from newegg?
3117 2011-05-09 18:25:46 <brycek> but i can't get the door without pants
3118 2011-05-09 18:25:49 <gjs278> he's like your british ec2
3119 2011-05-09 18:26:02 <ArtForzZz> yep, excepot slightly less crazily overpriced
3120 2011-05-09 18:26:06 <lfm> brycek: maybe just a towel
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3122 2011-05-09 18:26:19 <brycek> heh i could even wait for fedex from the pool
3123 2011-05-09 18:26:28 <ArtForzZz> still overpriced, but a lot less so ;)
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3125 2011-05-09 18:27:47 <gjs278> even if I had bought a lot more gpus at the start, I have a feeling I would have sold however many thousands of coins I got the second they hit parity
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3127 2011-05-09 18:28:39 <ArtForzZz> $500/ghps/mo is ... nuts
3128 2011-05-09 18:28:56 <brycek> http://i.bf1c.us/Screen+shot+2011-05-09+at+14.22.56.png
3129 2011-05-09 18:28:58 <brycek> some quality amazon ui
3130 2011-05-09 18:29:43 <gjs278> sometimes the ajax gets stuck for me
3131 2011-05-09 18:29:46 <gjs278> and I have to just refresh
3132 2011-05-09 18:29:54 <gjs278> I still have an instance that is fucked up from the downtime
3133 2011-05-09 18:29:57 <gjs278> it refuses to reboot
3134 2011-05-09 18:30:14 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, but the cloud!
3135 2011-05-09 18:30:21 RazielZ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
3136 2011-05-09 18:30:22 <gjs278> I know
3137 2011-05-09 18:30:45 <gjs278> next time on dragonball z: the instance is still trying to reboot
3138 2011-05-09 18:30:59 <ArtForzZz> you're anthropomorphizing it, thats why it doesn't want to reboot.
3139 2011-05-09 18:31:00 <brycek> they just provide the tools, it's up to you to make reliable distributed systems out of them
3140 2011-05-09 18:31:35 <gjs278> well the problem is
3141 2011-05-09 18:31:39 <gjs278> that this was definitely them
3142 2011-05-09 18:32:02 <gjs278> I had a backup of it from a week earlier
3143 2011-05-09 18:32:07 <gjs278> but it's still bs that the instance is stuck
3144 2011-05-09 18:32:17 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * re8adcf8 / src/rpc.cpp : Help for sendtoaddress/sendfrom was wrong: amounts are rounded to 0.00000001 - http://bit.ly/mkWxvO
3145 2011-05-09 18:32:18 <brycek> can you just nuke the instance?
3146 2011-05-09 18:32:26 <gjs278> there are two options
3147 2011-05-09 18:32:30 <BlueMatt> is there no list of what the actual locks mean?
3148 2011-05-09 18:32:31 <gjs278> Reboot and Terminate
3149 2011-05-09 18:32:33 <gjs278> if you terminate, it's gone
3150 2011-05-09 18:32:50 <gjs278> what they need to offer people is a "Zap" option or something that just shuts it off and lets you turn it back on
3151 2011-05-09 18:32:59 <gjs278> because terminate makes it go byebye
3152 2011-05-09 18:33:15 <brycek> wouldn't the backup or ebs snapshot stick around?
3153 2011-05-09 18:33:27 <gjs278> the ebs snapshot is fine
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3155 2011-05-09 18:33:48 <diki> im gonna quit for today
3156 2011-05-09 18:33:50 <gjs278> the backup was just missing a weeks worth of some config changes I had to make in /etc
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3158 2011-05-09 18:33:58 <knapol> hello ;d
3159 2011-05-09 18:33:59 <gjs278> thats all I really lost
3160 2011-05-09 18:34:03 <diki> i've been compiling for hours now inly to see failure
3161 2011-05-09 18:34:13 <knapol> i want to buy some more computers to mining ;)
3162 2011-05-09 18:34:14 <gjs278> knapol do you support removing the cpu mining from the main client
3163 2011-05-09 18:34:17 <diki> *only
3164 2011-05-09 18:34:26 <knapol> http://www.ceneo.pl/;0112-0;004+sRadeon~~M5850.htm
3165 2011-05-09 18:34:31 <knapol> http://www.onlinepc.pl/GIGABYTE_ATI_Radeon_HD5870_1024MB_DDR5256bit_DVIHDMIDP_PCI_E_8704800_wer_OC_Over_Clock-35420.html
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3167 2011-05-09 18:34:49 <knapol> which card I should buy ? :D
3168 2011-05-09 18:34:57 <gjs278> a 5850 will get you 2 coins a day
3169 2011-05-09 18:35:09 <gjs278> a 5870 will perform about 33% better than the 5850
3170 2011-05-09 18:35:19 <knapol> you think ?
3171 2011-05-09 18:35:23 <gjs278> I know
3172 2011-05-09 18:35:34 <gjs278> a 5870 will get you about 400 mhash
3173 2011-05-09 18:35:43 <gjs278> a 5850 will do around 300 if you oc it enough
3174 2011-05-09 18:35:44 <EPiSKiNG> and a 5970 will get you ~640
3175 2011-05-09 18:35:50 <gjs278> higher
3176 2011-05-09 18:35:57 <EPiSKiNG> i can't get mine higher
3177 2011-05-09 18:36:09 <gjs278> I'm pulling in 375/355 using the 355 core as my display
3178 2011-05-09 18:36:09 <ArtForzZz> EPiSKiNG: higher
3179 2011-05-09 18:36:18 <ArtForzZz> yep
3180 2011-05-09 18:36:22 <EPiSKiNG> got a 5870 and a 5970 in a case together, and I can't get past about 800core500mem
3181 2011-05-09 18:36:26 <EPiSKiNG> at 1049 volt
3182 2011-05-09 18:36:27 <ArtForzZz> I average well > 700 per 5970
3183 2011-05-09 18:36:36 <ArtForzZz> at stock 1050mV
3184 2011-05-09 18:36:37 <gjs278> EPiSKiNG did you update your poclbm
3185 2011-05-09 18:36:47 <EPiSKiNG> yeah, i'm using guiminer 2011.05.01
3186 2011-05-09 18:36:58 <gjs278> I run at 840 core
3187 2011-05-09 18:37:00 <knapol> hey, is there phoenix with graphic version
3188 2011-05-09 18:37:03 <gjs278> on the 5970
3189 2011-05-09 18:37:10 <EPiSKiNG> 840 core at stock voltage?
3190 2011-05-09 18:37:13 <gjs278> yes
3191 2011-05-09 18:37:15 <gjs278> 1050
3192 2011-05-09 18:37:19 <EPiSKiNG> 500 mem?
3193 2011-05-09 18:37:19 <gjs278> 300 mem clock
3194 2011-05-09 18:37:37 <EPiSKiNG> wierd... mine always locks up when I go above like 810
3195 2011-05-09 18:37:52 <EPiSKiNG> I'm thinking about offering a trade for my 5970 for your two 5870
3196 2011-05-09 18:37:54 <gjs278> what do you run your 5870 at
3197 2011-05-09 18:38:00 <EPiSKiNG> 999core
3198 2011-05-09 18:38:02 <EPiSKiNG> 300mem
3199 2011-05-09 18:38:03 <gjs278> damn
3200 2011-05-09 18:38:06 <gjs278> that's way more than I can get
3201 2011-05-09 18:38:08 <EPiSKiNG> yeah, i love 5870
3202 2011-05-09 18:38:10 <gjs278> what mhash does thatgrab you
3203 2011-05-09 18:38:17 <EPiSKiNG> 440
3204 2011-05-09 18:38:19 <gjs278> wow
3205 2011-05-09 18:38:33 <gjs278> I can do 935 before I have stability issues
3206 2011-05-09 18:38:39 <gjs278> that will net me like 410
3207 2011-05-09 18:38:42 <EPiSKiNG> XFX HD 5870
3208 2011-05-09 18:38:48 <gjs278> I have the asus
3209 2011-05-09 18:38:55 <EPiSKiNG> I have ASUS in my other case
3210 2011-05-09 18:38:57 <gjs278> I'm surprised the xfx can do it
3211 2011-05-09 18:38:58 <EPiSKiNG> it's at 999 too
3212 2011-05-09 18:39:02 <ArtForzZz> EPiSKiNG: why only 999 core?
3213 2011-05-09 18:39:09 <gjs278> yeah the epeen demands 1000
3214 2011-05-09 18:39:19 <EPiSKiNG> i get stability issues at 1000 and higher
3215 2011-05-09 18:39:22 <gjs278> what voltage do you run at
3216 2011-05-09 18:39:26 <ArtForzZz> thats... weird
3217 2011-05-09 18:39:26 <EPiSKiNG> stock
3218 2011-05-09 18:39:31 <gjs278> wow
3219 2011-05-09 18:39:37 <EPiSKiNG> xfx has no volt control
3220 2011-05-09 18:39:44 <gjs278> oh yeah
3221 2011-05-09 18:39:44 <ArtForzZz> so you're saying that a *one* MHz OC makes it unstable?
3222 2011-05-09 18:39:52 <knapol> is there phoenix with graphic version
3223 2011-05-09 18:39:56 <gjs278> I don't think so
3224 2011-05-09 18:40:00 <ArtForzZz> on two cards?
3225 2011-05-09 18:40:01 <gjs278> it would be on the forums if there was
3226 2011-05-09 18:40:03 <EPiSKiNG> ArtForzZz: it appears that way
3227 2011-05-09 18:40:20 <gjs278> I'll bump my 5970 up to 841 see if I crash
3228 2011-05-09 18:40:32 <ArtForzZz> wow, thats ... random
3229 2011-05-09 18:40:36 <ArtForzZz> guess it's possible
3230 2011-05-09 18:41:07 <ArtForzZz> but yeah, for most cards you need quite a bit of voltage to go > 1000
3231 2011-05-09 18:41:22 <knapol> because i hve problems with this phoeanicx ;/
3232 2011-05-09 18:41:31 <knapol> i have nly 8 MhASH
3233 2011-05-09 18:41:35 <gjs278> that's your cpu
3234 2011-05-09 18:41:38 <knapol> on 5870
3235 2011-05-09 18:41:46 <knapol> but if i choose cpu
3236 2011-05-09 18:41:52 <knapol> it's 154 Khash
3237 2011-05-09 18:42:06 <gjs278> try the poclbm instead
3238 2011-05-09 18:42:18 <ArtForzZz> though 999 at stock V is damn impressive
3239 2011-05-09 18:42:28 <ArtForzZz> most 5870s seem to need about 1180-1200mV to get there
3240 2011-05-09 18:42:31 <gjs278> I'm at 1.212
3241 2011-05-09 18:42:39 <ArtForzZz> ahhh
3242 2011-05-09 18:42:40 <gjs278> and I can't do 950 without crashing on these drivers
3243 2011-05-09 18:43:14 <gjs278> my card can go up to 1.35v but oh hey you have to use smartdoctor for that
3244 2011-05-09 18:43:15 <EPiSKiNG> at 840 on my 5970 I i'm getting like ~350MH/s on each core
3245 2011-05-09 18:43:23 <EPiSKiNG> seems slow
3246 2011-05-09 18:43:26 <gjs278> set your width to 256
3247 2011-05-09 18:43:35 <ArtForzZz> gjs278: can go up to or can go up in smoke at? ;)
3248 2011-05-09 18:43:47 <gjs278> never been in windows long enough to see what happens
3249 2011-05-09 18:43:54 <ArtForzZz> EPiSKiNG: at 840 I get ~740
3250 2011-05-09 18:43:57 <gjs278> I tried hitting 1000 core at 1.3v, it crashes, I gave up
3251 2011-05-09 18:44:10 <ArtForzZz> lemme guess, you on sdk 2.4?
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3253 2011-05-09 18:44:55 <gjs278> 2.1 for life
3254 2011-05-09 18:44:59 <topi`> damn, I want to control the CPU core voltage myself, that way I can decide at which wattage levels I still CPU-mine
3255 2011-05-09 18:45:11 <gjs278> none of them
3256 2011-05-09 18:45:18 <topi`> I compiled the ufasoft optimized SSE2 miner, and ho behold, it does 2.4 Mkeys/s per core
3257 2011-05-09 18:45:27 <topi`> 4 times faster than the 'c' code
3258 2011-05-09 18:45:41 <gjs278> Vcore Voltage: +0.98 V
3259 2011-05-09 18:45:52 <gjs278> if my vcore is higher than that, something is actually happening on my computer
3260 2011-05-09 18:45:59 <topi`> any Macbook users here? how to control the CPU core voltage?
3261 2011-05-09 18:46:10 <EPiSKiNG> I'm at ~345 per core with 256 width
3262 2011-05-09 18:46:15 <gjs278> hmm
3263 2011-05-09 18:46:23 <gjs278> are you on opecl 2.4
3264 2011-05-09 18:46:26 <EPiSKiNG> no 2.1
3265 2011-05-09 18:46:38 <ArtForzZz> using poclbm?
3266 2011-05-09 18:46:44 <EPiSKiNG> guiminer 05.01
3267 2011-05-09 18:46:48 <EPiSKiNG> yes
3268 2011-05-09 18:46:49 <gjs278> what frames
3269 2011-05-09 18:46:52 <EPiSKiNG> 0
3270 2011-05-09 18:47:00 <gjs278> that's weird
3271 2011-05-09 18:47:06 <ArtForzZz> worksize? vectors?
3272 2011-05-09 18:47:12 <gjs278> actually some of my gain is from the memclcok being at 300
3273 2011-05-09 18:47:16 <gjs278> but it's not that big
3274 2011-05-09 18:47:25 <gjs278> like 3 - 5 mhash and a lot less heat
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3276 2011-05-09 18:48:14 <EPiSKiNG> --platform 0 -v -w 256 -f 0
3277 2011-05-09 18:48:32 <diki> -w 128
3278 2011-05-09 18:48:35 <ArtForzZz> tried -w 128 ?
3279 2011-05-09 18:48:39 <gjs278> yeah he was 128 earlier
3280 2011-05-09 18:48:41 <gjs278> 350 for that
3281 2011-05-09 18:48:47 <gjs278> 256 just works better on mine
3282 2011-05-09 18:48:58 <ArtForzZz> weirdly, it depends here
3283 2011-05-09 18:49:15 <gjs278> what's the platform 0 for
3284 2011-05-09 18:49:29 <ArtForzZz> with a single 5970, 128 is a bit faster here, with 2 256
3285 2011-05-09 18:49:32 <ArtForzZz> with 4, 256
3286 2011-05-09 18:49:40 <EPiSKiNG> ~354 with mem @ 300
3287 2011-05-09 18:49:42 <diki> mine, regardless...it does 128,256 and 64 at same speed
3288 2011-05-09 18:50:00 <EPiSKiNG> if I don't include platform 0, i get errors
3289 2011-05-09 18:50:07 <ArtForzZz> it's only a few Mh/s difference
3290 2011-05-09 18:50:09 <EPiSKiNG> asking me if i want stream or opencl
3291 2011-05-09 18:50:22 <ArtForzZz> so you have 2.1 and 2.4 installed?
3292 2011-05-09 18:50:27 <CIA-30> bitcoin: various settxfee * rd9068a..b26141 bitcoind-personal/ (206 files in 26 dirs): (60 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3bowuvf
3293 2011-05-09 18:50:44 <EPiSKiNG> ArtForzZz don't think so...
3294 2011-05-09 18:50:51 <EPiSKiNG> let me check gpuid
3295 2011-05-09 18:51:05 <gjs278> I was under the impression platform was only if you had nvidia drivers
3296 2011-05-09 18:51:18 <ArtForzZz> gjs278: no, amd changed platform for 2.4 I think
3297 2011-05-09 18:51:48 <ArtForzZz> was also suprised by that
3298 2011-05-09 18:51:54 <ArtForzZz> even on linux
3299 2011-05-09 18:52:18 <ArtForzZz> iirc 2.1 = ati stream, 2.4 = amd opencl
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3303 2011-05-09 18:52:29 <gjs278> wow
3304 2011-05-09 18:52:58 <ArtForzZz> now the quuestion is, does having 2 different stream/opencl/app/whateverthenextnameis sdks installed actually work as expected
3305 2011-05-09 18:53:18 <ArtForzZz> as it's ATI... probably not
3306 2011-05-09 18:54:44 <EPiSKiNG> ok, got GPU caps up
3307 2011-05-09 18:54:47 <EPiSKiNG> what do i check?
3308 2011-05-09 18:55:09 <diki> so what 6k series card do you guys recommend?
3309 2011-05-09 18:55:16 <EPiSKiNG> 6990
3310 2011-05-09 18:55:17 <EPiSKiNG> lol
3311 2011-05-09 18:55:18 <diki> or stick with a 5k?
3312 2011-05-09 18:55:21 <diki> lol
3313 2011-05-09 18:55:34 <diki> i was thinking something close to the price of a 5850
3314 2011-05-09 18:55:37 <gjs278> well
3315 2011-05-09 18:55:48 <diki> but with same gaming and mining power even more
3316 2011-05-09 18:55:48 <ArtForzZz> 68xx arent too great
3317 2011-05-09 18:55:54 <gjs278> you can get used 5k because gamers are selling them
3318 2011-05-09 18:55:57 <gjs278> in favor of 6 series
3319 2011-05-09 18:56:01 <diki> so im left with a 6950..
3320 2011-05-09 18:56:07 <gjs278> unlcok your shaders
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3322 2011-05-09 18:56:10 <ArtForzZz> and finding a cheap 6950 is getting really hard
3323 2011-05-09 18:56:32 <diki> VC Sapphire HD6950 2GB GDDR5 256bit HDMI/DP PCI-E FULL
3324 2011-05-09 18:56:36 <ArtForzZz> unlockable 1GB 6950s are somewhat rare
3325 2011-05-09 18:56:40 * BlueMatt lets his computer crash due to a runaway program eating mem until swap kill me for the last time...deletes his swap partition
3326 2011-05-09 18:56:44 <ArtForzZz> and 2GB ones are usually expensive
3327 2011-05-09 18:56:50 <phantomcircuit> it's my understanding that a 5830/5850 are roughly the same in mhash/s
3328 2011-05-09 18:56:51 <diki> only for 344 usd
3329 2011-05-09 18:56:51 <BlueMatt> damn make while vms are running
3330 2011-05-09 18:56:54 <phantomcircuit> amirite?
3331 2011-05-09 18:57:13 <ArtForzZz> nope
3332 2011-05-09 18:57:15 <gjs278> I've seen 5870's for $180 used
3333 2011-05-09 18:57:18 <gjs278> so get that
3334 2011-05-09 18:57:18 <ArtForzZz> 5830 suuuucks
3335 2011-05-09 18:57:21 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, lol you realize that w/o swap the oom killer will just randomly kill stuff right?
3336 2011-05-09 18:57:22 <diki> i say new
3337 2011-05-09 18:57:32 <gjs278> yeah add more swap
3338 2011-05-09 18:57:33 <gjs278> 1tb
3339 2011-05-09 18:57:35 <diki> i dont buy used stuff unless it's for an old pc
3340 2011-05-09 18:57:39 <ArtForzZz> BlueMatt: what phantomcircuit wrote.
3341 2011-05-09 18:57:43 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: better to have it kill my vm/cpp's than my computer freeze entirely
3342 2011-05-09 18:57:53 <ArtForzZz> BlueMatt: you're doing it wrong
3343 2011-05-09 18:57:54 <BlueMatt> that way atleast I dont lose the 2000 other things open
3344 2011-05-09 18:57:55 <gjs278> I think your computer will still freeze
3345 2011-05-09 18:58:00 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, except it's just as likely to kill x as it is to kill your vm
3346 2011-05-09 18:58:05 <BlueMatt> ArtForzZz: and yet it works better
3347 2011-05-09 18:58:06 <diki> But the 6950 2GB is for 344 usd
3348 2011-05-09 18:58:12 <gjs278> BlueMatt how much ram
3349 2011-05-09 18:58:18 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: no, it pays attention to memusage and cputime
3350 2011-05-09 18:58:22 <BlueMatt> gjs278: 8gb
3351 2011-05-09 18:58:22 <gjs278> don't pay 344 for a 6950
3352 2011-05-09 18:58:34 <gjs278> it's not worth it if your goal is to mine
3353 2011-05-09 18:58:36 <diki> i dont have them either way
3354 2011-05-09 18:58:37 <ArtForzZz> I'm using ~6GB swap right now, no freezing
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3356 2011-05-09 18:58:39 <gjs278> you can get a 5970 for like 400
3357 2011-05-09 18:58:45 <diki> my goal is not only to mine, but to game
3358 2011-05-09 18:58:48 <gjs278> I have 2gb of encrypted swap on 12gb of ram
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3360 2011-05-09 18:58:58 <gjs278> a 5870 will still pwn any game you throw at it really
3361 2011-05-09 18:58:58 <BlueMatt> ArtForzZz: when my computer is made up of like 10 cpu-intensive jobs at once, it just dies
3362 2011-05-09 18:59:00 <diki> and 5970 are hard to find
3363 2011-05-09 18:59:06 <ArtForzZz> 16G ram
3364 2011-05-09 18:59:09 <BlueMatt> (when those jobs get swapped)
3365 2011-05-09 18:59:19 <ArtForzZz> BlueMatt: slow disk?
3366 2011-05-09 18:59:20 <BlueMatt> though Im gonna add another 4 as soon as I get the chance
3367 2011-05-09 18:59:27 <BlueMatt> ArtForzZz: no, average disk
3368 2011-05-09 18:59:35 <gjs278> 8gb means you don't have any triple channel going
3369 2011-05-09 18:59:36 <ArtForzZz> so... slow disk.
3370 2011-05-09 18:59:39 <gjs278> where is the triple channnnnelll
3371 2011-05-09 18:59:43 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * rd9068ad / src/rpc.cpp : Add settxfee RPC, to permit setting default TX fee at runtime. - http://bit.ly/lXjWit
3372 2011-05-09 18:59:46 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r04a667b / src/rpc.cpp :
3373 2011-05-09 18:59:46 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Merge pull request #150 from jgarzik/settxfee
3374 2011-05-09 18:59:46 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Add 'settxfee' RPC, to change TX fee setting at runtime - http://bit.ly/layV0t
3375 2011-05-09 19:00:00 <BlueMatt> gjs278: yea, 1366 w/ 2-chan is kinda pointless but its not like it makes any real-world difference
3376 2011-05-09 19:00:04 <ArtForzZz> gjs278: meh, just get a opteron. quad-channel FTW.
3377 2011-05-09 19:00:09 <gjs278> yeah
3378 2011-05-09 19:00:17 <BlueMatt> or socket 2011
3379 2011-05-09 19:00:24 <jgarzik> ;;bc,stats
3380 2011-05-09 19:00:25 <ArtForzZz> and support for unregistered ECC DDR3 ram (YES!)
3381 2011-05-09 19:00:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122956 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 19 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 157341.34252361
3382 2011-05-09 19:00:46 <BlueMatt> you actually use ECC?
3383 2011-05-09 19:00:48 <ArtForzZz> yep
3384 2011-05-09 19:00:52 <EPiSKiNG> http://cgi.ebay.com/XFX-ATI-Radeon-HD-5870-/250817584923?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item3a65e49f1b#ht_500wt_1156
3385 2011-05-09 19:01:01 <EPiSKiNG> no thermal pads, paste or screws
3386 2011-05-09 19:01:06 <EPiSKiNG> but you can pick that one up for $100
3387 2011-05-09 19:01:18 <gjs278> is that thing reference
3388 2011-05-09 19:01:31 <ArtForzZz> got bitten by a bit error one time too many
3389 2011-05-09 19:01:36 <diki> i cant buy from ebay
3390 2011-05-09 19:02:04 <jmpespxoreax> ArtForzZz: care to tell the stor[y/ies]?
3391 2011-05-09 19:02:14 <diki> and even if i do, i'll pay that item's price and 20% of it's real price
3392 2011-05-09 19:02:22 <gjs278> one time he was scanning binary logs and he saw a 2
3393 2011-05-09 19:02:27 <gjs278> then he woke up from a terrible nightmare
3394 2011-05-09 19:02:28 <diki> cause of the duty etc
3395 2011-05-09 19:02:45 <ArtForzZz> bad memory module caused a multi-week field solver run to produce garbage
3396 2011-05-09 19:02:46 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZz, so what's wrong with the 5830s?
3397 2011-05-09 19:03:03 <BlueMatt> oh, ok then
3398 2011-05-09 19:03:07 <ArtForzZz> phantomcircuit: very few shaders, high voltage and clock stock
3399 2011-05-09 19:03:24 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZz, oh so they run fine until... they dont
3400 2011-05-09 19:03:31 <ArtForzZz> hell, 5770s would probably be more efficient
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3402 2011-05-09 19:04:18 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gen 4700
3403 2011-05-09 19:04:20 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4700 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 0.0431055680051 BTC per day and 0.00179606533355 BTC per hour.
3404 2011-05-09 19:04:21 <ArtForzZz> doesnt 5830 run at like 1.18V stock ?
3405 2011-05-09 19:05:23 <gjs278> I got a 5850 to work on the crappiest 430w power supply in the world if every other possible device on board is turned off
3406 2011-05-09 19:05:59 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZz, so basically they removed a bunch of silicon and bumped up the clock
3407 2011-05-09 19:06:04 <gjs278> it doesn't even fully connect both pci-e because one of them is an adapter and it's missing a molex
3408 2011-05-09 19:07:25 <ArtForzZz> phantomcircuit: pretty much
3409 2011-05-09 19:07:38 <phantomcircuit> nice
3410 2011-05-09 19:07:44 <ArtForzZz> and ramped the voltage so even really "bad" chips can hit 800
3411 2011-05-09 19:07:50 <phantomcircuit> i guess that's probably fine for 90% of gamers actually
3412 2011-05-09 19:08:04 <ArtForzZz> so on paper, 5830 = 34% less shader throughput than a 5870 at 7% less power consumption; 5850 = 23% less shader than a 5870 at 19% less power consumption
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3414 2011-05-09 19:09:53 <phantomcircuit> so basically dumb unless you can get it for substantially less than a 5870/5850
3415 2011-05-09 19:09:58 <ArtForzZz> yep
3416 2011-05-09 19:10:17 <ArtForzZz> and for some random oldish box, 5770 also wouldn't be too weird
3417 2011-05-09 19:10:53 <ArtForzZz> hash/J between 5830 and 5850, and you can get the used 512MB ones *really* cheap
3418 2011-05-09 19:11:25 <ArtForzZz> all of mine OCed to > 1GHz at stock 1.20 V core
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3423 2011-05-09 19:16:35 <ntosme2> ArtForzZz: can you save an OC in the card or do you need to set it at boot?
3424 2011-05-09 19:17:05 <ArtForzZz> I just set it in my miner startup script
3425 2011-05-09 19:17:20 <ntosme2> windows or linux?
3426 2011-05-09 19:17:27 <ArtForzZz> linux
3427 2011-05-09 19:17:32 <ntosme2> I have 3 5770s I could try that on
3428 2011-05-09 19:17:54 <ArtForzZz> havent yet figured out how to do a diskless headless windows box
3429 2011-05-09 19:17:59 <ArtForzZz> ;)
3430 2011-05-09 19:18:12 <ntosme2> haha, I use headless Debian
3431 2011-05-09 19:18:38 <ArtForzZz> yep, debian sid, pxeboot, nfsroot
3432 2011-05-09 19:18:54 <ntosme2> I'm using some old 2gb flash drives
3433 2011-05-09 19:19:05 <ArtForzZz> 2gb isn't old ;)
3434 2011-05-09 19:19:23 <ArtForzZz> my usb stick with DOS + atiflash is 16MB
3435 2011-05-09 19:19:37 <Strom> LOL
3436 2011-05-09 19:19:45 <Strom> that's some serious storage capacity
3437 2011-05-09 19:19:45 <ArtForzZz> it's actually really useful
3438 2011-05-09 19:19:50 <ArtForzZz> as it shows up as a usb floppy
3439 2011-05-09 19:20:15 <xelister> ArtForz: or just allow preempt-by-killing-program, miner would be fine
3440 2011-05-09 19:20:15 <ArtForzZz> = it's bootable even on really old BIOSes
3441 2011-05-09 19:20:17 <topi`> ArtForzZz: do you know anything about the sha256 hw implementation in the VIA cpus? is it such a implementation that is just meant to do a single hash, i.e. non-pipelined?
3442 2011-05-09 19:20:32 <ArtForzZz> topi`: it's non-pipelined
3443 2011-05-09 19:20:48 <ArtForzZz> takes 66 clocks/hash or so
3444 2011-05-09 19:20:58 <topi`> ArtForzZz: and after calculating one hash, you have to reload the registers, reload new data to be hashed, etc?
3445 2011-05-09 19:21:14 <ArtForzZz> topi`: afaik ,yeah
3446 2011-05-09 19:21:27 <topi`> ArtForzZz: so the advantage of VIA crypto hw is not of speed, only power efficiency?
3447 2011-05-09 19:21:33 <ArtForzZz> yep
3448 2011-05-09 19:21:50 <ArtForzZz> well, compared to what the CPU could do, it's blazingly fast ;)
3449 2011-05-09 19:22:03 <topi`> ArtForzZz: I'm looking for getting a new Efika smartbook, with the i.MX535 SoC which has "SAHARA4" crypto module
3450 2011-05-09 19:22:14 <topi`> it also implements SHA256, I suppose in a very similar fashion to VIA
3451 2011-05-09 19:22:19 <ArtForzZz> I don't have a C7 to test
3452 2011-05-09 19:23:02 <ArtForzZz> I was so disappointed with the HW AES accel in C3 I pretty much gave up
3453 2011-05-09 19:23:04 <topi`> the Cortex-A8 in MX535 runs at 1.2 GHz but I suspect the crypto module runs at a smaller rate
3454 2011-05-09 19:23:35 <topi`> ArtForzZz: probably the HW vendors only design the crypto hw to do single hashes
3455 2011-05-09 19:23:42 <ArtForzZz> yeah
3456 2011-05-09 19:23:47 <ArtForzZz> they're usually designed to do a single stream
3457 2011-05-09 19:23:50 <topi`> and not many hashing rounds per se
3458 2011-05-09 19:24:15 <ArtForzZz> topi`: now, if it ran at 1.2G and didnt need too much setup time, that'd be decent
3459 2011-05-09 19:24:25 <topi`> I even saw SHA256 hw support in a PowerPC core (ppc460 or something)
3460 2011-05-09 19:24:40 <topi`> but that chip was designed for RAID/NAS boxes, so I guess it will have beefier crypto
3461 2011-05-09 19:24:52 <ArtForzZz> 9.5 Mh/s or so theoretical (if you can have it start from midstate)
3462 2011-05-09 19:25:02 <andrew12> hmm
3463 2011-05-09 19:25:19 <andrew12> is there anyone running a testnet node that's got all of the blocks? :c
3464 2011-05-09 19:25:33 <jrmithdobbs> 4 x 1400W hot-plug, high-efficiency power supplies
3465 2011-05-09 19:25:42 <ArtForzZz> don't forget, the effective sha256 throughput we're doing is... crazy
3466 2011-05-09 19:25:48 <jrmithdobbs> guess which sales guy i'm getting free lunches out of this week. ha
3467 2011-05-09 19:26:02 <andrew12> wait, nevermind
3468 2011-05-09 19:26:15 <topi`> freescale itself describes the SAHARA core as "low power and low latency data encryption/decryption"
3469 2011-05-09 19:26:21 <ArtForzZz> 1Mh/s bitcoin = about 1Gbit/s sha256 throughput
3470 2011-05-09 19:26:24 <topi`> I have to get the docs for programming it
3471 2011-05-09 19:26:41 <ArtForzZz> well, roughly
3472 2011-05-09 19:26:52 <topi`> ArtForzZz: what's the significance of the midstate? I know it comes from a preceding hashing op, but...
3473 2011-05-09 19:26:55 <ntosme2> jrmithdobbs: what is high? 89% eff?
3474 2011-05-09 19:26:56 <jrmithdobbs> oh that was the wrong line of text: Up to 16 available slots, 10 front, 6 rear x16 PCIe slots
3475 2011-05-09 19:27:55 <ArtForzZz> topi`: we hash 80 bytes of data and then hash the hash, sha256 has 64 bytes block size
3476 2011-05-09 19:27:59 <ArtForzZz> so the data hash is 2 blocks
3477 2011-05-09 19:28:08 <ArtForzZz> well, nonce is in the 2nd of those blocks
3478 2011-05-09 19:28:21 <ArtForzZz> so for just trying fiderrent nonces, we don't have to do the first block over
3479 2011-05-09 19:28:27 <topi`> so the hash from those 80 bytes of data is also getting hashed?
3480 2011-05-09 19:28:31 <ArtForzZz> = we save the state after 1st block and start there
3481 2011-05-09 19:28:34 <topi`> but that hash is only 64 bytes, not 80
3482 2011-05-09 19:28:34 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: si
3483 2011-05-09 19:28:45 <ArtForzZz> so we only have to do the 2nd block of the inner hash and the outer hash
3484 2011-05-09 19:28:49 <andrew12> ;;bc,calcd 6000 13
3485 2011-05-09 19:28:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 13, is 2 hours, 35 minutes, and 5 seconds
3486 2011-05-09 19:28:58 <andrew12> hm
3487 2011-05-09 19:29:00 <topi`> ArtForzZz: so, you basically record the state of the variables A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H ?
3488 2011-05-09 19:29:05 <ArtForzZz> yep
3489 2011-05-09 19:29:09 <topi`> makes sense.
3490 2011-05-09 19:29:29 <andrew12> ;;bc,gend 6000 13
3491 2011-05-09 19:29:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 6000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 13, is 464.228483347 BTC per day and 19.3428534728 BTC per hour.
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3493 2011-05-09 19:29:37 <ArtForzZz> and in our cl miners, we pull a few more tricks so we effectively only have to do ~120 rounds
3494 2011-05-09 19:30:17 <ArtForzZz> which is pretty much impossible with a simple looping hardware engine
3495 2011-05-09 19:30:33 <topi`> heh, i'm finding lots of shares now that I run 2x ufasoft (at 2200khash/s/core) and then diablominer for the 9400m, so 6.2Mhash in total :)
3496 2011-05-09 19:30:42 <topi`> i've never experienced such a crazy hash rate
3497 2011-05-09 19:31:08 <ArtForzZz> write a miner for C1541 ;)
3498 2011-05-09 19:31:13 <topi`> :))
3499 2011-05-09 19:31:31 <topi`> the dual-core C64 ... 6510 in the computer, and 6510 in the disk drive ;)
3500 2011-05-09 19:31:37 <ArtForzZz> yep
3501 2011-05-09 19:31:47 * andrew12 gets ~6-7Mhash on the geforce 320M in his macbook pro
3502 2011-05-09 19:31:55 <andrew12> w/ diablominer
3503 2011-05-09 19:31:58 <ArtForzZz> and the 1541 cpu was clocked a bit higher
3504 2011-05-09 19:32:07 <topi`> andrew12: so it's 3 times faster than my 9400m
3505 2011-05-09 19:32:07 <Fnar> I paid more for my 1541-II than I did for the C64 itself
3506 2011-05-09 19:32:29 <topi`> ArtForzZz: they probably had to do it, because the firmware that 6510 was running, was shitty :D
3507 2011-05-09 19:32:30 <ArtForzZz> same, but it was a original "push-latch" 1541
3508 2011-05-09 19:32:38 <topi`> some ppl wrote their own, to create "30X turbo" loaders
3509 2011-05-09 19:32:51 <andrew12> I'd probably get better hashrate if I installed linux
3510 2011-05-09 19:32:58 <ArtForzZz> I still have my commodore collection
3511 2011-05-09 19:33:39 <ntosme2> ArtForzZz: let me guess...3.5 hash/s
3512 2011-05-09 19:33:47 <topi`> I really learned programming on the Amiga, though
3513 2011-05-09 19:33:54 <topi`> I was like 10 years old when I got my C64 :)
3514 2011-05-09 19:34:30 <andrew12> I was 7 when I got my first email
3515 2011-05-09 19:34:33 <andrew12> :p
3516 2011-05-09 19:34:39 <tcatm> python question: anyone know whether I can exploit the split function to split a list on something like lambda x: x.name == 'foo'?
3517 2011-05-09 19:34:43 <topi`> ArtForzZz: if there were a sensible way to interface the C64, I'd like to write a sha256 miner for 6510, just for the kicks :D
3518 2011-05-09 19:34:59 <ArtForzZz> there is, use the IEEE bus
3519 2011-05-09 19:35:03 <topi`> lda #$00 sta $d020
3520 2011-05-09 19:35:09 <ArtForzZz> 2 C64s, 2 C64-IIs, 3 1541s, a 1541C, 2 1541-IIs, a C128 w7 1571, a C128D, a box full of cassette drives, ...
3521 2011-05-09 19:35:13 <topi`> I faintly remember some mnemonics
3522 2011-05-09 19:35:26 <luke-jr> tcatm: not sure I understand what you want
3523 2011-05-09 19:35:26 <ArtForzZz> thats just the 8-bitters
3524 2011-05-09 19:35:27 <brycek> ArtForzZz: a c64 probably costs more per hash than ec2
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3526 2011-05-09 19:35:33 <ArtForzZz> sadly my VIC20 bit the dust
3527 2011-05-09 19:35:34 <luke-jr> tcatm: you mean like grep?
3528 2011-05-09 19:35:55 <andrew12> brb cracking windows passwords with rainbow tables on a c64
3529 2011-05-09 19:36:09 <andrew12> :p
3530 2011-05-09 19:36:13 <topi`> tcatm: I thought split only works for strings, not lists?
3531 2011-05-09 19:36:17 <ArtForzZz> brb? you mean bbiac
3532 2011-05-09 19:36:26 <tcatm> luke-jr: I have a list of dicts. I want only those dicts before a certain dict in that list with a special key
3533 2011-05-09 19:36:27 <ArtForzZz> ;)
3534 2011-05-09 19:36:29 <rlifchitz> ;;bc,stats
3535 2011-05-09 19:36:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122962 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 13 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 24 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 157388.93336039
3536 2011-05-09 19:36:39 <andrew12> what would that stand for?
3537 2011-05-09 19:36:48 <ArtForzZz> be back in a century, duh ;)
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3539 2011-05-09 19:36:53 <topi`> tcatm: you realise that the dict entries are in a non-deterministic order?
3540 2011-05-09 19:37:03 <topi`> oh, you have a *list* of dicts
3541 2011-05-09 19:37:03 <luke-jr> topi`: â¦
3542 2011-05-09 19:37:03 <topi`> sorry
3543 2011-05-09 19:37:04 <tcatm> topi`: list of dict
3544 2011-05-09 19:37:11 <luke-jr> tcatm: I don't know how to do that simply
3545 2011-05-09 19:37:11 <ArtForzZz> 157k, woo!
3546 2011-05-09 19:37:31 <andrew12> ArtForzZz: rofl
3547 2011-05-09 19:37:42 <topi`> tcatm: have an index calculated, and then you can use list slicing ops
3548 2011-05-09 19:37:45 <tcatm> basically, it's a list of html tags and I want everything before the first <br/>.
3549 2011-05-09 19:38:33 <andrew12> be back when i realize that i could've done it in 2 seconds on a quantum computer
3550 2011-05-09 19:38:38 <luke-jr> for i in xrange(len(LIST)): if LIST[i].name == 'br': LIST = LIST[:i]; break
3551 2011-05-09 19:39:02 <ArtForzZz> andrew12: thats one kinda counterintuitive thing, for some calculations, you finish faster by starting later
3552 2011-05-09 19:39:28 <andrew12> hehe
3553 2011-05-09 19:39:45 <andrew12> if only it were like that for bitcoin :(
3554 2011-05-09 19:40:05 <ArtForzZz> basically happens when you have something taking months-years and you can't easily capture the current state and continue at a later point
3555 2011-05-09 19:41:14 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
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3557 2011-05-09 19:41:17 <phantomcircuit> lol excuse me while i destroy my gentoo server
3558 2011-05-09 19:41:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122962 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 13 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 24 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 157388.93336039
3559 2011-05-09 19:41:24 <ArtForzZz> or if you have a fixed budget
3560 2011-05-09 19:41:26 <phantomcircuit> baselayout switch + kernel upgrade all at the same time
3561 2011-05-09 19:42:07 <ntosme2> phantomcircuit: live dangerously, backup often
3562 2011-05-09 19:42:19 <phantomcircuit> ntosme2, i have no backup
3563 2011-05-09 19:42:20 <phantomcircuit> lol
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3565 2011-05-09 19:42:30 <ntosme2> sounds like a plan!
3566 2011-05-09 19:43:00 <ntosme2> I have a 2-layer backup
3567 2011-05-09 19:43:35 <phantomcircuit> i have 2 hdds in a 10 yro desktop from dell which has had persistent memory corruption trouble
3568 2011-05-09 19:43:38 <topi`> tcatm: have you looked at PyPy? I'd like to do stuff with Stackless Python, but the original author of Stackless is now working on PyPy, which looks interesting
3569 2011-05-09 19:43:45 <phantomcircuit> and i have my entire /home stripped accross the 2 hdds
3570 2011-05-09 19:43:47 <phantomcircuit> LIKE A BOSS
3571 2011-05-09 19:44:06 <ArtForzZz> meh, real men use write-only memory
3572 2011-05-09 19:44:08 <tcatm> topi`: nope. I don't really know what PyPy is...
3573 2011-05-09 19:44:10 <phantomcircuit> topi`, pypy is a dead end unless they build an llvm output layer
3574 2011-05-09 19:44:26 <ntosme2> I used to do that, and then I lost a drive...
3575 2011-05-09 19:44:27 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, it's a python interpreter written in python
3576 2011-05-09 19:44:37 <tcatm> cool
3577 2011-05-09 19:44:49 <phantomcircuit> ntosme2, fortunately this would be a "and nothing of value was lost"
3578 2011-05-09 19:45:05 <phantomcircuit> the server is filled to the brim with tv and assorted crap
3579 2011-05-09 19:45:11 <topi`> tcatm: it has its advantages, one can use stackless threads for huge perf gains in many problems
3580 2011-05-09 19:45:12 <phantomcircuit> i have backups of the crap
3581 2011-05-09 19:45:34 <tcatm> So it avoids the GIL?
3582 2011-05-09 19:45:45 <phantomcircuit> lol nope
3583 2011-05-09 19:45:51 <topi`> tcatm: if I had to rewrite the Bitcoind in python, I'd do it in Stackless python
3584 2011-05-09 19:46:08 <phantomcircuit> topi`, the syntax is basically identical right?
3585 2011-05-09 19:46:12 <topi`> creating a stackless thread for every connection
3586 2011-05-09 19:46:34 <topi`> phantomcircuit: yes, but the stackless stuff has additions, confined to a module
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3588 2011-05-09 19:46:46 <phantomcircuit> that's exactly how my implementation works
3589 2011-05-09 19:46:48 <phantomcircuit> heh
3590 2011-05-09 19:46:53 <phantomcircuit> except my threads have stack
3591 2011-05-09 19:46:56 <topi`> so you say "import stackless" and then you'll get the good stuff
3592 2011-05-09 19:47:17 <andrew12> import antigravity
3593 2011-05-09 19:47:22 <topi`> EVE online is coded in stackless, and they serve more than 50 000 clients on a single server node
3594 2011-05-09 19:47:25 <ArtForzZz> xkcd ftw
3595 2011-05-09 19:48:09 <topi`> i should start donating btc to xkcd every time I reference one of his strips ;)
3596 2011-05-09 19:48:20 <phantomcircuit> topi`, iirc python threads have pretty much constant stack usage
3597 2011-05-09 19:48:26 <topi`> the antigravity one is particularly funny
3598 2011-05-09 19:48:33 <phantomcircuit> the actual python interpreter uses some hilarious gcc hacks
3599 2011-05-09 19:49:02 <topi`> phantomcircuit: still, the threads come at a cost in python, whereas in stackless you can create thousands of threads in an instant
3600 2011-05-09 19:49:13 <topi`> but, stackless is a big hack.
3601 2011-05-09 19:49:33 <phantomcircuit> topi`, how does it work?
3602 2011-05-09 19:50:07 <phantomcircuit> context switching and task scheduling is done purely in the interpreter
3603 2011-05-09 19:50:07 <topi`> he modified the interpreter in a clever way so that it doesn't keep a stack about its operation anymore
3604 2011-05-09 19:50:09 <phantomcircuit> uh
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3606 2011-05-09 19:50:34 <topi`> i can't remember the exact details, i read the article once and didn't understand all :D
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3609 2011-05-09 19:50:50 <andrew12> what about unladen-swallow?
3610 2011-05-09 19:51:24 <luke-jr> â¦
3611 2011-05-09 19:51:33 * andrew12 ducks
3612 2011-05-09 19:51:43 <luke-jr> what kind of interpreter uses a stack?
3613 2011-05-09 19:51:48 <ArtForzZz> unladen ducks?
3614 2011-05-09 19:51:56 <andrew12> http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/
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3618 2011-05-09 19:54:07 <topi`> luke-jr: the default python interpreter uses the C stack
3619 2011-05-09 19:54:20 <andrew12> hmm... in python, everything is an object. in ruby, everything is a method (and returns expression)...
3620 2011-05-09 19:54:25 <topi`> that's also why there's a recursion limit in python :)
3621 2011-05-09 19:54:34 <andrew12> returns an expression*
3622 2011-05-09 19:54:38 <andrew12> topi`: oh noooooo!
3623 2011-05-09 19:54:42 <topi`> in haskell, everything is a function :)
3624 2011-05-09 19:55:13 <phantomcircuit> not cool
3625 2011-05-09 19:55:15 <phantomcircuit> topi`, im pretty sure it doesn't anymore
3626 2011-05-09 19:55:48 <andrew12> heh
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3628 2011-05-09 19:56:07 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: at least 2.6 does. I run into that limit once.
3629 2011-05-09 19:56:33 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, im pretty sure the recursion limit is arbitrary now
3630 2011-05-09 19:56:49 <phantomcircuit> im gonna go code spelunking now
3631 2011-05-09 19:57:00 <topi`> i've asked this before, but can anyone help me change the ufasoft sse2 asm code so that it will compile on OSX?
3632 2011-05-09 19:57:24 <topi`> the problem is that there's one absolute relocation which is supported on ELF64, but is *not* supported on Mach-O 64
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3634 2011-05-09 19:58:47 <sipa> ;;isitup mtgox.com
3635 2011-05-09 19:58:49 <gribble> Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
3636 2011-05-09 19:58:55 <topi`> tcatm: what python module do you use for implementing basic web stuff, like static and dynamic page serves? I've been trying out CherryPy recently
3637 2011-05-09 20:00:41 <phantomcircuit> topi`, class MyHTTP(BaseHTTPServer,threading.Thread):
3638 2011-05-09 20:00:42 <phantomcircuit> like a boss
3639 2011-05-09 20:01:17 <tcatm> topi`: bitcoincharts is build with django
3640 2011-05-09 20:01:49 <tcatm> for static pages I kinda like Jekyll (ruby), but there's Hyde (python) which should be similar
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3644 2011-05-09 20:05:21 <kseistrup> phantomcircuit: Python has a recursion limit of about 1000.
3645 2011-05-09 20:05:41 <phantomcircuit> kseistrup, yes but i believe that it's arbitrary to avoid runaway recursion
3646 2011-05-09 20:05:47 <phantomcircuit> and isn't actually a platform limit
3647 2011-05-09 20:06:04 <phantomcircuit> although i cant seem to find the main loop :|
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3649 2011-05-09 20:06:37 <tcatm> does python support end recursion?
3650 2011-05-09 20:07:13 <kseistrup> phantomcircuit: Yes, it's arbitrary, it isn't inherent in the language.
3651 2011-05-09 20:07:32 <topi`> uh oh, soon the new difficulty kicks in
3652 2011-05-09 20:07:36 <topi`> then i'll shut down my cpu miners
3653 2011-05-09 20:07:42 <topi`> ...for good
3654 2011-05-09 20:07:43 <kseistrup> tcatm: What is end recursion?
3655 2011-05-09 20:07:55 <tcatm> kseistrup: s/end recursion/tail recursion/
3656 2011-05-09 20:08:49 <phantomcircuit> topi`, you're still running cpu miners?
3657 2011-05-09 20:08:52 <kseistrup> tcatm: You mean like the factorial?
3658 2011-05-09 20:09:39 <tcatm> kseistrup: yes
3659 2011-05-09 20:09:58 <kseistrup> tcatm: in that case the answer is yes
3660 2011-05-09 20:10:21 <tcatm> great
3661 2011-05-09 20:10:36 <tcatm> I could need that for some recursive blockchain analyzer I want to write
3662 2011-05-09 20:10:43 <andrew12> python2.6's limit is 999... python3's is 997
3663 2011-05-09 20:11:23 <topi`> phantomcircuit: not regularly, but today I ran, because I compiled the ufasoft sse2 code, which is 3x faster than the C code
3664 2011-05-09 20:11:26 <andrew12> huh
3665 2011-05-09 20:11:30 <andrew12> ruby has a limit too: 8732
3666 2011-05-09 20:11:38 <andrew12> that's 1.9.2
3667 2011-05-09 20:12:11 <topi`> tcatm: if you want highly efficient tail recursion, there is haskell :)
3668 2011-05-09 20:12:13 <andrew12> rubinius works up to 7352
3669 2011-05-09 20:12:14 <kseistrup> tcatm: this is a valid factorial function: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/385998/
3670 2011-05-09 20:12:38 <tcatm> topi`: I know. I'll probably end up learning haskell as it seems to have many nice features I really miss in python.
3671 2011-05-09 20:12:45 <andrew12> ree up to 8129
3672 2011-05-09 20:12:46 <topi`> kseistrup: it is, but python will run out of stack
3673 2011-05-09 20:13:04 <andrew12> installing jruby...
3674 2011-05-09 20:13:13 <phantomcircuit> kseistrup, im pretty sure there isn't an implementation limit either
3675 2011-05-09 20:13:15 <topi`> tcatm: erlang could probably be more efficient than haskell for many purposes right now, BUT i don't like erlang's syntax, I prefer haskell's
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3677 2011-05-09 20:13:45 <kseistrup> topi`: yes, python3.1 says "RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded in comparison" when you try fact(998).
3678 2011-05-09 20:13:47 <tcatm> a merge of all three languages (erlang, haskell, python) would be nice
3679 2011-05-09 20:13:48 <topi`> and the experimental stuff about haskell data parallelism is really cool
3680 2011-05-09 20:14:31 <phantomcircuit> yay system came online
3681 2011-05-09 20:14:35 <phantomcircuit> a small miracle
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3683 2011-05-09 20:14:58 <tcatm> my html parser is working :)
3684 2011-05-09 20:14:58 <phantomcircuit> Fri May 6 12:39:33 PDT 2011
3685 2011-05-09 20:15:01 <phantomcircuit> argh
3686 2011-05-09 20:15:04 <phantomcircuit> damn you ntpd
3687 2011-05-09 20:15:13 <topi`> tcatm: why would you want your own html parser? :)
3688 2011-05-09 20:15:38 <topi`> I once wrote a small html parser using regular expressions, but uh it was too complicated
3689 2011-05-09 20:15:45 <tcatm> topi`: it's not plain html but rather parses a html page into something I can work with
3690 2011-05-09 20:16:02 <topi`> yeah, html pages can be a pain in the butt
3691 2011-05-09 20:16:10 <topi`> if they don't export the data in any sensible format
3692 2011-05-09 20:16:13 <jmpespxoreax> what's wrong with HTML::Parser?
3693 2011-05-09 20:16:14 <molecular> why not transform them using xslt
3694 2011-05-09 20:16:34 <tcatm> topi`: I'm parsing bitcoinnews.com into headline + link tuples
3695 2011-05-09 20:16:55 <tcatm> getting the link is easy. extracting a short headline is tricky
3696 2011-05-09 20:16:59 <andrew12> hpricot is pretty good imo
3697 2011-05-09 20:17:26 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, you're doing the parsing in ... python?
3698 2011-05-09 20:17:27 <topi`> bitcoinnews is over capacity :D
3699 2011-05-09 20:17:27 <jmpespxoreax> actually, HTML::TreeBuilder is better
3700 2011-05-09 20:17:52 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: yes
3701 2011-05-09 20:18:00 <topi`> phantomcircuit: some of us do *everything* in python ;)
3702 2011-05-09 20:18:05 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, lxml.html
3703 2011-05-09 20:18:13 <topi`> import re ; import OpenCL ; import numpy
3704 2011-05-09 20:18:14 <tcatm> already got a html parser
3705 2011-05-09 20:18:17 <phantomcircuit> topi`, http://github.com/phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt
3706 2011-05-09 20:18:19 <topi`> you can do everything in python ;)
3707 2011-05-09 20:18:21 <phantomcircuit> topi`, yes i know ;)
3708 2011-05-09 20:18:46 <phantomcircuit> We're very sorry
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3710 2011-05-09 20:18:54 <phantomcircuit> guess bitcoinnews.com is down
3711 2011-05-09 20:19:16 <topi`> phantomcircuit: there's no description of your github project
3712 2011-05-09 20:19:21 vorlov has joined
3713 2011-05-09 20:19:31 <phantomcircuit> topi`, check the README
3714 2011-05-09 20:19:44 <tcatm> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CSc22nHx sample output of my script
3715 2011-05-09 20:19:47 <BlueMatt> someone want to do some testnet mining so I can do some more privkey encryption testing?
3716 2011-05-09 20:20:08 <luke-jr> can anyone recommend a good HTTP virtual proxy?
3717 2011-05-09 20:20:26 <luke-jr> ideally something that will just pass the fd off when it's found the target?
3718 2011-05-09 20:20:49 <sipa> BlueMatt: i can give you 90Mhash/s :)
3719 2011-05-09 20:21:01 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: like a transparent squid?
3720 2011-05-09 20:21:01 vorlov has quit (Client Quit)
3721 2011-05-09 20:21:11 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no, isn't that a cache?
3722 2011-05-09 20:21:12 <BlueMatt> sipa: thanks, just need it for a couple minutes (hopefully ;)
3723 2011-05-09 20:21:22 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you can do all kinds of fancy scripting with squid
3724 2011-05-09 20:21:28 <topi`> phantomcircuit: have you done any testing for the modules?
3725 2011-05-09 20:21:29 <BlueMatt> (like upsidedownternet ;)
3726 2011-05-09 20:21:30 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I want something *light* that can just pass off connections
3727 2011-05-09 20:21:33 <topi`> phantomcircuit: like in a testnet?
3728 2011-05-09 20:21:37 <BlueMatt> try running that one on your school's wifi :)
3729 2011-05-09 20:21:55 <BlueMatt> geeky senior prank ftw
3730 2011-05-09 20:21:56 <phantomcircuit> topi`, i've run it on the main p2p net, it works as far as it's implemented
3731 2011-05-09 20:22:36 <luke-jr> grr, is one of the miners aggressively caching DNS?
3732 2011-05-09 20:22:46 <topi`> phantomcircuit: I think I can write peer.py shorter
3733 2011-05-09 20:23:08 <topi`> you repeat a lot in those send_block, send_transaction etc functions
3734 2011-05-09 20:23:38 <phantomcircuit> topi`, go for it, i definitely accept patches
3735 2011-05-09 20:23:41 <topi`> phantomcircuit: have you a script that imports those modules?
3736 2011-05-09 20:23:54 <phantomcircuit> topi`, bitcoin.py in the top folder
3737 2011-05-09 20:24:18 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you could do some kind of apache, but in terms of simple scripting proxy...maybe hack that av proxy...whats it called?
3738 2011-05-09 20:24:21 <luke-jr> I HAVE MY DNS TTL SET TO 60 FOR A REASON
3739 2011-05-09 20:24:26 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: Apache fails epicly
3740 2011-05-09 20:24:38 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: RAM exhausted in minutes with a bunch of LPs
3741 2011-05-09 20:24:39 <BlueMatt> how so?
3742 2011-05-09 20:24:41 <BlueMatt> oh
3743 2011-05-09 20:24:54 <BlueMatt> well I dont know of one off hand, sorry
3744 2011-05-09 20:25:14 <luke-jr> I just added a second IP and used iptables to NAT its port 80 to 8337
3745 2011-05-09 20:25:17 <luke-jr> and changed DNS
3746 2011-05-09 20:25:21 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, posts = t.xpath('//li.post') for post in posts: title = post.xpath('//div.content/h3')[0]
3747 2011-05-09 20:25:25 <gjs278> install nginx it's russian
3748 2011-05-09 20:25:33 <luke-jr> and waited TTL * 2 before booting everyone on Apache
3749 2011-05-09 20:25:39 <luke-jr> yet some idiots are reconnecting to the old IP
3750 2011-05-09 20:25:41 <luke-jr> -.-
3751 2011-05-09 20:25:41 <BlueMatt> does nginx do scripted proxying?
3752 2011-05-09 20:25:58 <topi`> phantomcircuit: do you have a specific usage for your python modules?
3753 2011-05-09 20:26:06 <gjs278> you can proxy to any webserver that is already running
3754 2011-05-09 20:26:13 <gjs278> not sure what scripting you want to do
3755 2011-05-09 20:26:16 <luke-jr> I want it to ideally see "Host: pool.bitcoin.dashjr.org", then send the fd to pushpoold ;P
3756 2011-05-09 20:26:22 <luke-jr> eg, no proxy
3757 2011-05-09 20:26:26 <phantomcircuit> topi`, it's part of the way to a full client
3758 2011-05-09 20:26:31 <gjs278> I think you can do that with nginx
3759 2011-05-09 20:26:34 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: dont you just want some kind of cgi?
3760 2011-05-09 20:26:38 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no
3761 2011-05-09 20:26:48 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I can just send fds for any other Host to apache
3762 2011-05-09 20:26:51 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: I've got the html parsing right... making a short headline is the problem
3763 2011-05-09 20:27:24 <BlueMatt> fd?
3764 2011-05-09 20:27:38 <topi`> phantomcircuit: your code seems to be written for python3
3765 2011-05-09 20:27:54 <phantomcircuit> topi`, that's because it is
3766 2011-05-09 20:27:55 <topi`> you dropped 2.x support intentionally? :)
3767 2011-05-09 20:28:10 <gjs278> I only write for perl 6
3768 2011-05-09 20:28:18 <topi`> last time I looked, there weren't very important differences between 2.x and 3.0
3769 2011-05-09 20:28:43 <topi`> but of course, the amount of modules available for 3.0 is limited
3770 2011-05-09 20:29:03 <topi`> I guess Guido himself is pretty satisfied with 3.0 but i'm sticking with 2.x :)
3771 2011-05-09 20:29:28 <phantomcircuit> topi`, silly things like except KeyboardInterrupt as e instead of except KeyboardInterrupt, e:
3772 2011-05-09 20:29:31 <BlueMatt> arg testnet difficulty is too high
3773 2011-05-09 20:29:34 <andrew12> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5489165/stack_limits_in_ruby.txt
3774 2011-05-09 20:29:39 <andrew12> BlueMatt: agree
3775 2011-05-09 20:29:45 <BlueMatt> anyone else want to join the testnet mining party?
3776 2011-05-09 20:29:49 <andrew12> i do!
3777 2011-05-09 20:29:54 <andrew12> make a pool!
3778 2011-05-09 20:29:55 <BlueMatt> yay
3779 2011-05-09 20:30:01 <ArtForzZz> BlueMatt: 12.4 ?
3780 2011-05-09 20:30:05 <BlueMatt> oh...uh that sounds hard
3781 2011-05-09 20:30:10 <ArtForzZz> thats not exactly high
3782 2011-05-09 20:30:22 <BlueMatt> sorry, some of us dont have 50 GHash
3783 2011-05-09 20:30:27 <ArtForzZz> what did I push old testnet diff to again? 360 ?
3784 2011-05-09 20:30:40 <ArtForzZz> 368 or so I think
3785 2011-05-09 20:30:53 <BlueMatt> well you're just a dick aren't you?
3786 2011-05-09 20:31:01 <andrew12> lol
3787 2011-05-09 20:31:02 <sipa> BlueMatt: got a block!
3788 2011-05-09 20:31:05 <ArtForzZz> yep
3789 2011-05-09 20:31:14 <sipa> and another one!
3790 2011-05-09 20:31:20 <BlueMatt> sipa: yay, still dont have it...wtf?
3791 2011-05-09 20:31:27 <andrew12> https://testnet.freebitcoins.appspot.com/
3792 2011-05-09 20:31:28 <gjs278> hold onto those coins
3793 2011-05-09 20:31:33 <gjs278> one day, testnet will be the real net
3794 2011-05-09 20:31:34 <topi`> :)
3795 2011-05-09 20:31:41 <BlueMatt> andrew12: yea Im waiting on a confirm from faucet to spend
3796 2011-05-09 20:31:45 <luke-jr> unless gavin resets it
3797 2011-05-09 20:31:49 <BlueMatt> (Im too lazy to modify bitcoin)
3798 2011-05-09 20:31:52 <sipa> 18225 blocks, right?
3799 2011-05-09 20:31:58 <BlueMatt> yea
3800 2011-05-09 20:31:59 <andrew12> yeah
3801 2011-05-09 20:32:01 <gjs278> gavin will be taken care of
3802 2011-05-09 20:32:07 <BlueMatt> hm, maybe it just didnt confirm my testnet coins
3803 2011-05-09 20:32:09 <BlueMatt> scriptSigRet.clear();
3804 2011-05-09 20:32:10 <BlueMatt> vector<pair<opcodetype, valtype> > vSolution;
3805 2011-05-09 20:32:10 <BlueMatt> if (!Solver(scriptPubKey, vSolution))
3806 2011-05-09 20:32:10 <BlueMatt> return false;
3807 2011-05-09 20:32:10 <BlueMatt> // Compile solution
3808 2011-05-09 20:32:10 <BlueMatt> CRITICAL_BLOCK(cs_mapKeys)
3809 2011-05-09 20:32:12 <BlueMatt> {
3810 2011-05-09 20:32:14 <BlueMatt> foreach(PAIRTYPE(opcodetype, valtype)& item, vSolution)
3811 2011-05-09 20:32:16 <BlueMatt> {
3812 2011-05-09 20:32:17 <gjs278> c
3813 2011-05-09 20:32:18 <BlueMatt> if (item.first == OP_PUBKEY)
3814 2011-05-09 20:32:19 <gjs278> o
3815 2011-05-09 20:32:20 <BlueMatt> {
3816 2011-05-09 20:32:21 <gjs278> m
3817 2011-05-09 20:32:22 <BlueMatt> // Sign
3818 2011-05-09 20:32:23 <gjs278> b
3819 2011-05-09 20:32:26 <BlueMatt> const valtype& vchPubKey = item.second;
3820 2011-05-09 20:32:27 <gjs278> o
3821 2011-05-09 20:32:27 <andrew12> o i c
3822 2011-05-09 20:32:28 <BlueMatt> if (!mapKeys.count(vchPubKey))
3823 2011-05-09 20:32:30 <BlueMatt> return false;
3824 2011-05-09 20:32:31 <gjs278> b
3825 2011-05-09 20:32:32 <BlueMatt> if (hash != 0)
3826 2011-05-09 20:32:33 <gjs278> r
3827 2011-05-09 20:32:34 <BlueMatt> {
3828 2011-05-09 20:32:35 <gjs278> e
3829 2011-05-09 20:32:36 <BlueMatt> CPrivKey vchPrivKey;
3830 2011-05-09 20:32:37 <gjs278> a
3831 2011-05-09 20:32:38 <BlueMatt> if(!GetBoolArg("-nocrypt"))
3832 2011-05-09 20:32:39 <gjs278> k
3833 2011-05-09 20:32:40 <BlueMatt> {
3834 2011-05-09 20:32:41 <gjs278> e
3835 2011-05-09 20:32:42 <BlueMatt> uint256 hashPubKey = Hash(vchPubKey.begin(), vchPubKey.end());
3836 2011-05-09 20:32:43 <gjs278> r
3837 2011-05-09 20:32:44 <BlueMatt> unsigned char chIV[32];
3838 2011-05-09 20:32:46 <BlueMatt> memcpy(&chIV, &hashPubKey, 32);
3839 2011-05-09 20:32:49 <BlueMatt> vector<unsigned char> vchCiphertext;
3840 2011-05-09 20:32:49 <ArtForzZz> roifl
3841 2011-05-09 20:32:50 <BlueMatt> vchCiphertext.resize(mapKeys[vchPubKey].size());
3842 2011-05-09 20:32:50 <phantomcircuit> lolololololololololol
3843 2011-05-09 20:32:50 <gjs278> bluematt stop trolling
3844 2011-05-09 20:32:52 <BlueMatt> memcpy(&vchCiphertext[0], &mapKeys[vchPubKey][0], vchCiphertext.size());
3845 2011-05-09 20:32:52 <andrew12> NOT EVERY DAY THAT HAPPENS
3846 2011-05-09 20:32:56 <BlueMatt> vector<unsigned char> vchPlaintext;
3847 2011-05-09 20:32:58 <BlueMatt> if (!cWalletCrypter.Decrypt(vchCiphertext, chIV, vchPlaintext))
3848 2011-05-09 20:32:59 <kseistrup> phantomcircuit: is the bitcoin-alt working?
3849 2011-05-09 20:33:00 <BlueMatt> return false;
3850 2011-05-09 20:33:01 <sipa> op spamming channel!
3851 2011-05-09 20:33:02 <BlueMatt> vchPrivKey.resize(vchPlaintext.size());
3852 2011-05-09 20:33:04 <BlueMatt> memcpy(&vchPrivKey[0], &vchPlaintext[0], vchPlaintext.size());
3853 2011-05-09 20:33:06 <ArtForzZz> spam, spam, lovely spam!
3854 2011-05-09 20:33:06 <BlueMatt> fill(vchPlaintext.begin(), vchPlaintext.end(), '\0');
3855 2011-05-09 20:33:08 <andrew12> cat /etc/ssn.txt
3856 2011-05-09 20:33:09 <BlueMatt> }
3857 2011-05-09 20:33:10 <BlueMatt> else
3858 2011-05-09 20:33:11 <gjs278> BlueMatt is trolling all of us this was intentional
3859 2011-05-09 20:33:12 <BlueMatt> vchPrivKey = mapKeys[vchPubKey];
3860 2011-05-09 20:33:14 <BlueMatt> vector<unsigned char> vchSig;
3861 2011-05-09 20:33:14 <sipa> someone kick him
3862 2011-05-09 20:33:15 <gjs278> oh god not an else
3863 2011-05-09 20:33:16 <BlueMatt> if (!CKey::Sign(vchPrivKey, hash, vchSig))
3864 2011-05-09 20:33:18 <BlueMatt> {
3865 2011-05-09 20:33:21 <BlueMatt> if(!GetBoolArg("-nocrypt"))
3866 2011-05-09 20:33:21 <sipa> BlueMatt: kick yoursel!
3867 2011-05-09 20:33:22 <BlueMatt> fill(vchPrivKey.begin(), vchPrivKey.end(), '\0');
3868 2011-05-09 20:33:26 <BlueMatt> return false;
3869 2011-05-09 20:33:28 <BlueMatt> }
3870 2011-05-09 20:33:30 <topi`> { spam; } or { die; }
3871 2011-05-09 20:33:30 <BlueMatt> if(!GetBoolArg("-nocrypt"))
3872 2011-05-09 20:33:32 <BlueMatt> fill(vchPrivKey.begin(), vchPrivKey.end(), '\0')
3873 2011-05-09 20:33:33 <sipa> ... please
3874 2011-05-09 20:33:34 <andrew12> return false was his response
3875 2011-05-09 20:33:34 <BlueMatt> ah, sorry
3876 2011-05-09 20:33:35 <gjs278> you missed it
3877 2011-05-09 20:33:36 <BlueMatt> mvXTjZpFcBVoEndX1x11AaXi8cuuFNshVw
3878 2011-05-09 20:33:37 <gjs278> syntax error
3879 2011-05-09 20:33:39 <andrew12> ROFL
3880 2011-05-09 20:33:39 <BlueMatt> h
3881 2011-05-09 20:33:40 <BlueMatt> the "Copy to Clipboard" on bitcoin apparently doesnt work
3882 2011-05-09 20:33:46 <gjs278> noob
3883 2011-05-09 20:33:46 <sipa> haha
3884 2011-05-09 20:33:46 BlueMatt has joined
3885 2011-05-09 20:33:47 <gjs278> noooooob
3886 2011-05-09 20:33:48 <andrew12> LMFAO
3887 2011-05-09 20:33:49 <sipa> wb
3888 2011-05-09 20:33:54 <sipa> too late :)
3889 2011-05-09 20:34:00 <phantomcircuit> kseistrup, everything implemented in it works, but it's only a partial implementation
3890 2011-05-09 20:34:02 <topi`> "famous last words" :)
3891 2011-05-09 20:34:10 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: try pushing it harder.
3892 2011-05-09 20:34:11 <andrew12> how did you accidenally paste a ton of code
3893 2011-05-09 20:34:21 <gjs278> easy
3894 2011-05-09 20:34:22 <gjs278> ctrl+c
3895 2011-05-09 20:34:26 <gjs278> ctrl+v and irc just went for it
3896 2011-05-09 20:34:28 <BlueMatt> sipa: damn, still havnt gotten the 50 confirmed can you send me some mvXTjZpFcBVoEndX1x11AaXi8cuuFNshVw
3897 2011-05-09 20:34:32 <sipa> BlueMatt: 18226, 18225 and 18224 are mine(d) :)
3898 2011-05-09 20:34:32 <andrew12> get a better client then :D
3899 2011-05-09 20:34:39 <gjs278> mine has a warning message
3900 2011-05-09 20:34:44 <BlueMatt> andrew12: apparently...
3901 2011-05-09 20:35:06 <ArtForzZz> "you are about to spam 4689456 lines, are you sure? no. abort. cancel."
3902 2011-05-09 20:35:16 <andrew12> abort. reply. mourn.
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3904 2011-05-09 20:35:21 <sipa> BlueMatt: sent
3905 2011-05-09 20:35:37 <BlueMatt> thanks, I see the unconfirmed 123.45678901...wow
3906 2011-05-09 20:35:59 <kseistrup> phantomcircuit: cool. i guess i have to read the source to see how much is implemented.
3907 2011-05-09 20:36:06 <sipa> bitcoin testnet... valueless payments at lightspeed!
3908 2011-05-09 20:36:12 <BlueMatt> yay
3909 2011-05-09 20:36:31 <andrew12> if you wanna help me mine testnet coins: http://testnet:testnet@andrew12.net:18332/
3910 2011-05-09 20:36:32 <ArtForzZz> ultimate micropayment system
3911 2011-05-09 20:36:35 <andrew12> =p
3912 2011-05-09 20:36:44 <ArtForzZz> transferring no value instantly for free
3913 2011-05-09 20:36:46 <BlueMatt> yay 1 confirmation
3914 2011-05-09 20:36:54 <sipa> BlueMatt: by me :p
3915 2011-05-09 20:36:56 <BlueMatt> sipa: want them back, or to the facuet they go
3916 2011-05-09 20:37:00 sytse has quit (Read error: No route to host)
3917 2011-05-09 20:37:02 <sipa> send them to faucet
3918 2011-05-09 20:37:14 <sipa> or anyone else who can use them
3919 2011-05-09 20:37:21 <andrew12> mea
3920 2011-05-09 20:37:27 <BlueMatt> yay, wallet decryption at send-time working :)
3921 2011-05-09 20:37:36 * sipa seems to have 2395 tnBTC left
3922 2011-05-09 20:37:44 <BlueMatt> (including modified keypool creation time)
3923 2011-05-09 20:38:09 <andrew12> mweit9gg6qL9uCLGvCGjeTZnUQprwbbGLi
3924 2011-05-09 20:38:10 <ArtForzZz> trinitrobitcoins?
3925 2011-05-09 20:38:33 <topi`> shouldn't the testnet difficulty go down at some point, if everyone stops mining testcoins?
3926 2011-05-09 20:38:36 <BlueMatt> so, now that I almost have both patches done, which one should be used? Decrypt at send-time or decrypt at open-time
3927 2011-05-09 20:38:39 ezl has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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3930 2011-05-09 20:38:54 <andrew12> 1KXZdvSJqaMRM3d9hdSNuFv17QLABidJDx
3931 2011-05-09 20:38:55 <BlueMatt> (hint: if you say open-time, I might just kill you)
3932 2011-05-09 20:38:59 <andrew12> if you wanna send me real bitcoins :D
3933 2011-05-09 20:39:18 <ArtForzZz> *throws a coin* ... heads
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3935 2011-05-09 20:39:35 <sipa> *throws a bitcoin* ... 0
3936 2011-05-09 20:39:36 <andrew12> look ma, i found a testnet block!
3937 2011-05-09 20:39:52 <phantomcircuit> kseistrup, only the p2p overlay part is implemented, and only a client at that
3938 2011-05-09 20:40:02 <ArtForzZz> *throws a bitcoin* ... 2
3939 2011-05-09 20:40:08 <BlueMatt> ok, thanks guys...it seems to be working, couple more things to test, but I have a balance to test with until then :)
3940 2011-05-09 20:40:10 <ArtForzZz> crap
3941 2011-05-09 20:40:11 <topi`> phantomcircuit: perhaps you should implement a coinFlip() function to the alternate bitcoin.py client? :)
3942 2011-05-09 20:40:19 <BlueMatt> ;;coin
3943 2011-05-09 20:40:21 <gribble> heads
3944 2011-05-09 20:40:27 <andrew12> ;;bitcoin
3945 2011-05-09 20:40:30 <gribble> I do not know about 'bitcoin', but I do know about these similar topics: 'freebitcoins'
3946 2011-05-09 20:40:45 <kseistrup> phantomcircuit: so i can't run it instead of "bitcoind -server"?
3947 2011-05-09 20:41:05 <ArtForzZz> *throws a bytecoin* ... 0x6e
3948 2011-05-09 20:41:11 <sipa> jgarzik: "The minimum free TX value would remain at 0.01 BTC." -> that means that <0.01 outputs will require a 0.0005 fee?
3949 2011-05-09 20:41:14 <phantomcircuit> kseistrup, no
3950 2011-05-09 20:41:21 <gjs278> decrypt at send time imo
3951 2011-05-09 20:41:28 <phantomcircuit> kseistrup, and you probably never will be since im not every going to be using bdb
3952 2011-05-09 20:41:32 <ArtForzZz> sipa: yes
3953 2011-05-09 20:41:34 <gjs278> I don't care if someone can read my balance
3954 2011-05-09 20:41:37 <gjs278> I care if they can send from it
3955 2011-05-09 20:42:02 <BlueMatt> yea currently its just privkey encryption
3956 2011-05-09 20:42:06 <BlueMatt> and thats all I plan on doing
3957 2011-05-09 20:42:17 <gjs278> that's cool
3958 2011-05-09 20:42:22 <ArtForzZz> anything else doesn't make much sense really
3959 2011-05-09 20:42:25 <BlueMatt> though encrypt at send-time will only be implemented for gui (and disabled for -server or -daemon)
3960 2011-05-09 20:42:27 <gjs278> the masses will finally have their encryption problems answered
3961 2011-05-09 20:42:35 <kseistrup> phantomcircuit: that's only if i want to run it on an already existing bitcoind dir, right? but what if bitcoin.py starts its own dir?
3962 2011-05-09 20:42:56 <phantomcircuit> kseistrup, well i dont have an rpc interface either
3963 2011-05-09 20:42:59 <sipa> BlueMatt: can i stop mining? :))
3964 2011-05-09 20:43:00 fimp_ has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
3965 2011-05-09 20:43:07 <phantomcircuit> and certainly dont intend to implement it
3966 2011-05-09 20:43:12 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, thanks
3967 2011-05-09 20:43:28 <kseistrup> phantomcircuit: yet! ;)
3968 2011-05-09 20:43:31 <gjs278> buying 21 million testnet coins
3969 2011-05-09 20:43:46 <BlueMatt> lol, you might actually have to pay for those
3970 2011-05-09 20:43:56 <phantomcircuit> and certainly dont intend to implement it
3971 2011-05-09 20:43:57 <andrew12> 50 btc
3972 2011-05-09 20:44:01 <andrew12> jk
3973 2011-05-09 20:44:05 <kseistrup> phantomcircuit: right
3974 2011-05-09 20:44:45 <gdoteof> ;;view RBecker
3975 2011-05-09 20:44:46 <gribble> #1932 Fri May 6 15:01:02 2011 RBecker SELL 7.0 BNC Hosting - 1 Month @ 5 btc (ZNC, IPv6 Connectivity, any IRC network. One user. Contact RB14060@gmail.com or RBecker.)
3976 2011-05-09 20:44:48 <gribble> #2026 Mon May 9 13:11:35 2011 RBecker SELL 1.0 netbook @ 20.997 btc (Asus Eee PC 900a, 8.9" Screen, 4GB SSD, Email RB14060@gmail.com or contact RBecker)
3977 2011-05-09 20:44:53 <RBecker> whoa
3978 2011-05-09 20:44:57 <sipa> -> otc
3979 2011-05-09 20:44:58 <RBecker> highlights much
3980 2011-05-09 20:45:16 <andrew12> expect them when you're selling stuff.
3981 2011-05-09 20:45:26 <RBecker> yeah yeah
3982 2011-05-09 20:45:28 chmod755 has joined
3983 2011-05-09 20:45:30 <gdoteof> you can ignore gribble at least
3984 2011-05-09 20:46:03 <andrew12> ,,
3985 2011-05-09 20:46:08 <andrew12> good
3986 2011-05-09 20:46:09 <andrew12> :p
3987 2011-05-09 20:47:23 <sipa> luke-jr: is your pool having problems?
3988 2011-05-09 20:47:51 <luke-jr> sipa: sortof
3989 2011-05-09 20:48:12 <luke-jr> someone decided to use port 80 whether or not they had issues with 8337â¦
3990 2011-05-09 20:48:16 eao has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
3991 2011-05-09 20:48:26 <luke-jr> Apache can only handle a few of those
3992 2011-05-09 20:48:30 <sipa> i see
3993 2011-05-09 20:48:35 <gdoteof> ;;getrating
3994 2011-05-09 20:48:37 <gribble> (getrating <nick>) -- Get rating information for <nick>.
3995 2011-05-09 20:48:39 * sipa tries switching back to 8337
3996 2011-05-09 20:48:41 <gdoteof> ;;getrating RBecker
3997 2011-05-09 20:48:43 <gribble> User RBecker, with hostmask None, was created on Sat May 7 12:15:25 2011, and has a cumulative rating of 1, from a total of 1 ratings. Of these, 1 are positive and 0 are negative. This user has also sent 1 positive ratings, and 0 negative ratings to others.
3998 2011-05-09 20:48:44 <luke-jr> so as a temporary measure, I've given the pool its own IP and used iptables to handle port 80
3999 2011-05-09 20:48:47 eao has joined
4000 2011-05-09 20:48:59 <luke-jr> yet some people refused to use the new IP even after the TTL :/
4001 2011-05-09 20:49:08 <RBecker> ?
4002 2011-05-09 20:49:12 <diki> ;;bc,stats
4003 2011-05-09 20:49:21 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122970 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 5 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 32 minutes and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 157209.91354486
4004 2011-05-09 20:49:38 <mtrlt> 5 blocks to go :o
4005 2011-05-09 20:49:40 <RBecker> ;;getrating gdoteof
4006 2011-05-09 20:49:41 <gribble> Error: This user has not yet been rated.
4007 2011-05-09 20:49:44 <sipa> luke-jr: does the miner continuously reconnect?
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4009 2011-05-09 20:49:51 <diki> goodbye 5850's btc earnings
4010 2011-05-09 20:49:53 <luke-jr> sipa: long-term, I want to find a vhost server for port 80 that can hand-off connections to the real server (Apache or pushpoold) when it identifies the Host
4011 2011-05-09 20:49:59 <luke-jr> sipa: poclbm does
4012 2011-05-09 20:49:59 <diki> i wont be able to earn as before...
4013 2011-05-09 20:50:06 <luke-jr> diki: join Eligius :P
4014 2011-05-09 20:50:06 <topi`> 5 blocks and my cpu miner gets a pension
4015 2011-05-09 20:50:19 <diki> yeah...sucks..
4016 2011-05-09 20:50:29 <diki> my gpu miner get's a pension
4017 2011-05-09 20:50:35 <mtrlt> wat
4018 2011-05-09 20:50:37 <sipa> luke-jr: still get a lot of 'miner is idle' warnings
4019 2011-05-09 20:50:37 <allied> wow
4020 2011-05-09 20:50:38 <diki> the 5850 wont be able to mine
4021 2011-05-09 20:50:41 <mtrlt> i'm still gonna mine with my 5850
4022 2011-05-09 20:50:43 <mtrlt> totally
4023 2011-05-09 20:50:47 <mtrlt> 300Mhash is worth it
4024 2011-05-09 20:50:53 <diki> 270 you mean
4025 2011-05-09 20:50:57 <diki> unless you OCed
4026 2011-05-09 20:50:58 <mtrlt> i get 300 :P
4027 2011-05-09 20:51:02 <mtrlt> OC and little optimization
4028 2011-05-09 20:51:08 <RBecker> it takes my cpu miner 2 years to mine a block
4029 2011-05-09 20:51:08 <mtrlt> a little
4030 2011-05-09 20:51:10 <diki> optimizations?
4031 2011-05-09 20:51:13 <RBecker> according to gribble's calc
4032 2011-05-09 20:51:13 <luke-jr> sipa: I used to too
4033 2011-05-09 20:51:15 <diki> do share
4034 2011-05-09 20:51:17 <mtrlt> yea like 0.5% faster :P
4035 2011-05-09 20:51:22 <luke-jr> sipa: until I setup my router's QoS to prioritize 8337
4036 2011-05-09 20:51:23 <mtrlt> nah :P
4037 2011-05-09 20:51:28 <luke-jr> sipa: did you get it on port 80?
4038 2011-05-09 20:51:33 <sipa> luke-jr: yes, on both
4039 2011-05-09 20:51:33 <diki> if you are talking about -v -w128
4040 2011-05-09 20:51:35 <diki> i use it to
4041 2011-05-09 20:51:38 <diki> *too
4042 2011-05-09 20:51:38 <topi`> RBecker: what about the total amount of kWh to mine a block with the CPU ? :)
4043 2011-05-09 20:51:40 <luke-jr> sipa: does your router support QoS?
4044 2011-05-09 20:51:41 <sipa> maybe there are some network issues on my side
4045 2011-05-09 20:51:44 <mtrlt> no, i mean i edited the opencl code
4046 2011-05-09 20:51:44 <andrew12> luke-jr: would it be difficult to make a #bitcoin-testnet-watch
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4048 2011-05-09 20:51:49 <topi`> RBecker: http://lorelei.kaverit.org/cgi/calc.py
4049 2011-05-09 20:51:52 <diki> please share...
4050 2011-05-09 20:52:01 <mtrlt> nah, it's just 0.5% :P
4051 2011-05-09 20:52:02 <luke-jr> andrew12: maybe an hour of work
4052 2011-05-09 20:52:10 <RBecker> toffoo, idk
4053 2011-05-09 20:52:10 <diki> 0.5 is better than 0.0
4054 2011-05-09 20:52:12 <RBecker> topi`*
4055 2011-05-09 20:52:15 <topi`> (my server is cpu mining coins, that's why it responds so slowly ;)
4056 2011-05-09 20:52:22 gavinandresen has quit (Quit: gavinandresen)
4057 2011-05-09 20:52:34 <mtrlt> i could do better but having problems with python :)
4058 2011-05-09 20:52:36 <sipa> luke-jr: have you read jgarzik's suggestion to turn on X-Roll-NTime ?
4059 2011-05-09 20:52:42 <mtrlt> if i solve those problems, i could probably release it.
4060 2011-05-09 20:52:58 <topi`> RBecker: my core2duo needs 1200 days to find a block, and for that it consumes a total of 610 kWh ! :D
4061 2011-05-09 20:53:08 <RBecker> moo: cpu: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor (x64) at 3200MHz (88% Load)
4062 2011-05-09 20:53:10 <mtrlt> lol
4063 2011-05-09 20:53:13 <topi`> which costs approx 100 eur here in Holland
4064 2011-05-09 20:53:19 <mtrlt> 100 eur block :D
4065 2011-05-09 20:53:20 <diki> I have the 955 too
4066 2011-05-09 20:53:26 <diki> but it's a black edition
4067 2011-05-09 20:53:27 <andrew12> luke-jr: what's ljrbot written in?
4068 2011-05-09 20:53:29 <diki> unlocked multi :P
4069 2011-05-09 20:53:30 <RBecker> so is this one
4070 2011-05-09 20:53:35 <luke-jr> andrew12: Supybot
4071 2011-05-09 20:53:39 <andrew12> oic
4072 2011-05-09 20:53:46 <diki> i can actually change the multi right now
4073 2011-05-09 20:53:47 <mtrlt> diki: for that price it is actually profitable
4074 2011-05-09 20:53:52 <RBecker> It's supposed to be OCed, but idk what happened to it
4075 2011-05-09 20:53:53 <gjs278> I have unlocked multi
4076 2011-05-09 20:53:55 <luke-jr> andrew12: latest code is pushed to Gitorious on my personal branch
4077 2011-05-09 20:53:56 <diki> while under load even
4078 2011-05-09 20:54:01 <RBecker> I'll have to clear my bios and rerun the oc util
4079 2011-05-09 20:54:11 <gjs278> asus bios owns
4080 2011-05-09 20:54:13 <diki> and i'll be getting my Hyper 212+ tomorrow
4081 2011-05-09 20:54:14 <luke-jr> sipa: no, I don't see it as useful
4082 2011-05-09 20:54:14 <gjs278> it can tell when the oc fails
4083 2011-05-09 20:54:18 <gjs278> and pick right back up
4084 2011-05-09 20:54:19 <RBecker> gjs278, yes it does :)
4085 2011-05-09 20:54:23 <RBecker> I have an Asus mobo
4086 2011-05-09 20:54:25 <diki> clear cmos?
4087 2011-05-09 20:54:29 <sipa> luke-jr: why not?
4088 2011-05-09 20:54:33 <RBecker> diki, load default values, yes
4089 2011-05-09 20:54:34 <diki> I do OC directly from windows
4090 2011-05-09 20:54:39 fridge has joined
4091 2011-05-09 20:54:39 <andrew12> luke-jr: ah, that was my next question
4092 2011-05-09 20:54:39 <gjs278> oh I oc in bios
4093 2011-05-09 20:54:45 <luke-jr> wtf miner software opens 3 connections? -.-
4094 2011-05-09 20:54:47 <gjs278> I'm in linux so I pretty much have to
4095 2011-05-09 20:54:47 <sipa> it would massively decrease the amount of necessary communication with the pool
4096 2011-05-09 20:54:53 <luke-jr> sipa: would it?
4097 2011-05-09 20:55:01 <fridge> can someone explain how and where the code in script.cpp is used?
4098 2011-05-09 20:55:04 <RBecker> I do too, but the BIOS still says that the target speed is 3.87, but the system isn't reporting it as that fast
4099 2011-05-09 20:55:05 <sipa> luke-jr: now i need to fetch work every 5-10s
4100 2011-05-09 20:55:11 <fridge> I'm wondering why it needs a forth interpreter
4101 2011-05-09 20:55:21 <diki> ;;bc,stats
4102 2011-05-09 20:55:23 <sipa> luke-jr: that could easily become 60-120s with rolltime+long poll
4103 2011-05-09 20:55:26 <luke-jr> who is sjs-130-65-215-206.sjsu.edu?
4104 2011-05-09 20:55:34 tcoppi has joined
4105 2011-05-09 20:55:36 <gjs278> not me
4106 2011-05-09 20:55:36 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122973 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 2 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 12 minutes and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 157373.20920901
4107 2011-05-09 20:55:38 <luke-jr> sipa: it should be 60-120 with just LP
4108 2011-05-09 20:55:44 <RBecker> they're on this channel luke-jr?
4109 2011-05-09 20:55:45 <diki> 2 blocks...
4110 2011-05-09 20:55:48 <luke-jr> RBecker: not afaik
4111 2011-05-09 20:55:51 <RBecker> ah
4112 2011-05-09 20:55:54 <topi`> 2 blocks and it's the end of the world!
4113 2011-05-09 20:55:57 <RBecker> I was gonna say, I could get it that way
4114 2011-05-09 20:56:00 <gjs278> RBecker do you have speedstep enabled or something
4115 2011-05-09 20:56:05 <gjs278> that would make it not report correctly
4116 2011-05-09 20:56:07 <gjs278> also how do you check
4117 2011-05-09 20:56:08 <sipa> luke-jr: but my miner runs out of nonces after 11s
4118 2011-05-09 20:56:25 <luke-jr> someone has a miner that refuses to honour DNS TTLs, and maintains 3 connections all the time
4119 2011-05-09 20:56:38 <luke-jr> sipa: o
4120 2011-05-09 20:56:43 <RBecker> gjs278, the powersaver is on afaik, and all my scripts have always said 3.87 but now they're reporting 3.2
4121 2011-05-09 20:56:44 <luke-jr> sipa: but NTime != NOnce
4122 2011-05-09 20:56:49 <gjs278> hmm
4123 2011-05-09 20:56:50 <diki> could someone explain what this nonces is?
4124 2011-05-09 20:56:52 <sipa> luke-jr: ?
4125 2011-05-09 20:56:56 <lfm> fridge: the scrip was an idea for complex transactions such as joint accounts and escrow and such
4126 2011-05-09 20:56:56 <gjs278> RBecker lolnix or windows
4127 2011-05-09 20:56:56 <sipa> i know that
4128 2011-05-09 20:56:57 <luke-jr> diki: rtfw
4129 2011-05-09 20:57:04 <RBecker> gjs278, winblows
4130 2011-05-09 20:57:04 <luke-jr> ooooo I get it
4131 2011-05-09 20:57:07 <gjs278> hmm
4132 2011-05-09 20:57:09 <gjs278> that's weird
4133 2011-05-09 20:57:16 <gjs278> usually I just gave it load and then cpu-z got my speed
4134 2011-05-09 20:57:18 <diki> i'd rather be told
4135 2011-05-09 20:57:26 <luke-jr> diki: then I'll ignore you
4136 2011-05-09 20:57:40 <gjs278> read the fire wall
4137 2011-05-09 20:57:46 <diki> you ask me to join your pool and then want to ignore me?
4138 2011-05-09 20:57:56 <sipa> diki: read the wiki, and if you have a specific question, please ask
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4140 2011-05-09 20:58:17 <gjs278> rage the fucking whale
4141 2011-05-09 20:58:23 <luke-jr> sipa: got a spec for it? :P
4142 2011-05-09 20:58:29 <RBecker> gjs278, weird thing is that the BIOS reports the target speed is 3.87
4143 2011-05-09 20:58:36 <sipa> luke-jr: for X-Roll-NTime ?
4144 2011-05-09 20:58:41 <luke-jr> ya
4145 2011-05-09 20:58:42 <gjs278> yeah I have that happen to me too
4146 2011-05-09 20:58:50 <gjs278> but only when I had speedstep or turbo or some bs on
4147 2011-05-09 20:59:19 <gjs278> I actually have to turn off turbo for 30x multiplier to work correctly
4148 2011-05-09 20:59:23 <RBecker> TurboV has the custom values
4149 2011-05-09 20:59:31 <RBecker> but it's not honoring them
4150 2011-05-09 20:59:48 <gjs278> if you turn off turbo your new turbo will be the value you actually set
4151 2011-05-09 20:59:52 <gjs278> at least thats what happened for me
4152 2011-05-09 21:00:00 <gjs278> so my turbo jumped from 26x, 27x to 30x flat
4153 2011-05-09 21:00:00 <RBecker> hm, cpuz says core speed is 3.89
4154 2011-05-09 21:00:09 <RBecker> multipler x16
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4156 2011-05-09 21:00:31 <sipa> luke-jr: no published spec, but reason poclbm's source, it simply means the miner is allowed to update NTime at will
4157 2011-05-09 21:00:42 <luke-jr> sipa: yeah, but what value am I supposed to put
4158 2011-05-09 21:00:43 <luke-jr> ?
4159 2011-05-09 21:00:49 <lfm> gjs278: could it be variable overhead like interrupt services or something
4160 2011-05-09 21:01:01 <sipa> luke-jr: anything but an empty string
4161 2011-05-09 21:01:19 <diki> one block
4162 2011-05-09 21:01:21 <sipa> so i suppose it's supposed to be 'true' or 'yes' or 'enabled' or '1'
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4164 2011-05-09 21:01:41 <lfm> true works
4165 2011-05-09 21:02:56 <lfm> luke-jr ntime is the seconds since 1970 jan 1
4166 2011-05-09 21:03:28 <sipa> lfm: i'm sure he knows that :D
4167 2011-05-09 21:03:28 <luke-jr> no duh :P
4168 2011-05-09 21:03:39 <gjs278> I eventually got mine working by doing offset voltage, turning on the cpufreq modules for linux, and disabling turbo
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4170 2011-05-09 21:03:50 <lfm> luke UTC
4171 2011-05-09 21:03:53 <gjs278> so right now I'm at 1.6ghz ramping up to 4gz
4172 2011-05-09 21:04:06 <gjs278> which will hit about 75C at max over time
4173 2011-05-09 21:04:06 <diki> ;;bc,stats
4174 2011-05-09 21:04:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122975 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 0 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 157416.40184364
4175 2011-05-09 21:04:15 <gjs278> oh wtf
4176 2011-05-09 21:04:17 <gjs278> nice grab
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4179 2011-05-09 21:04:56 <jaromil> oh, did you merged autotools?
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4183 2011-05-09 21:05:27 <ntosme2> is 17kW an acceptable power density for a standard rack?
4184 2011-05-09 21:06:02 <jaromil> jgarzik: i'd prefer to actually appear in the git tree with my commits. why a manual merge?
4185 2011-05-09 21:06:21 <jaromil> i did separated both commits as indicated and they were merging allright with the master the last time i've tried
4186 2011-05-09 21:06:23 <lfm> ntosme2: Thats probably a hi power rack
4187 2011-05-09 21:06:24 <gjs278> he wants all of the credit
4188 2011-05-09 21:06:38 <jaromil> so i don't really see the reason for a "manual merge"
4189 2011-05-09 21:06:44 <gjs278> epeen
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4191 2011-05-09 21:07:04 <ntosme2> lfm: any idea what I would be charged for such a beast?
4192 2011-05-09 21:07:11 <lfm> nope
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4194 2011-05-09 21:07:26 <gjs278> you would be charged with increasing the mining capacity on me
4195 2011-05-09 21:07:31 <gjs278> punishment is death
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4197 2011-05-09 21:07:50 <jaromil> BlueMatt: this is quite demotivating for me :(
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4199 2011-05-09 21:07:59 <lfm> gjs278: ya but then we all will need to die
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4201 2011-05-09 21:08:13 <gjs278> everyone who is already in before this difficulty change is safe
4202 2011-05-09 21:08:14 <ntosme2> at $0.15 / kW-hr that's $61.2 per day
4203 2011-05-09 21:08:16 <gjs278> everyone new must go
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4205 2011-05-09 21:08:25 <jaromil> it even gives a conflict on sha256
4206 2011-05-09 21:08:35 <jaromil> bha :/ i'll go to sleep
4207 2011-05-09 21:09:05 <luke-jr> whoever 130.65.215.206 is, is now blocked from all my websites -.-
4208 2011-05-09 21:09:07 <ntosme2> gjs278: you'll have to find me :-p
4209 2011-05-09 21:09:15 <luke-jr> until they fix their miner
4210 2011-05-09 21:09:31 <sipa> luke-jr: 3 connections, that sounds like diablominer btw
4211 2011-05-09 21:09:37 <luke-jr> figures
4212 2011-05-09 21:09:47 <gjs278> luke-jr: lavses@illuminationsupply.com
4213 2011-05-09 21:09:52 <luke-jr> ?
4214 2011-05-09 21:10:01 <gjs278> I found their ip in google
4215 2011-05-09 21:10:04 <gjs278> that is his email
4216 2011-05-09 21:10:06 <luke-jr> lol
4217 2011-05-09 21:10:09 <sipa> haha
4218 2011-05-09 21:10:09 <gjs278> he visited the bitcoin faucet
4219 2011-05-09 21:10:10 <gjs278> also
4220 2011-05-09 21:10:19 <gjs278> why does the bitcoin faucet show everyones emails
4221 2011-05-09 21:10:33 danbri has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
4222 2011-05-09 21:10:41 <fridge> isn't it supposed to obfuscate them?
4223 2011-05-09 21:10:42 <sipa> the email addresses are slightly obfuscated
4224 2011-05-09 21:10:46 <gjs278> oh
4225 2011-05-09 21:10:48 <gjs278> wlel
4226 2011-05-09 21:10:56 <gjs278> bitcoin faucet owner, reveal the details
4227 2011-05-09 21:10:59 <gjs278> this is important
4228 2011-05-09 21:11:25 <gjs278> although I bet webmaster@illuminationsupply.com would probably be him too
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4230 2011-05-09 21:11:31 <gjs278> if only the username is obfuscated at least
4231 2011-05-09 21:11:59 <diki> ;;bc,stats
4232 2011-05-09 21:12:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122975 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 0 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 157416.40184364
4233 2011-05-09 21:12:10 <sipa> luke-jr: how old may received merkleroots in getwork be?
4234 2011-05-09 21:12:12 <ntosme2> abuse@illuminationsupply.com would be more appropriate
4235 2011-05-09 21:12:39 <luke-jr> sipa: dunno? :P
4236 2011-05-09 21:13:16 <sipa> luke-jr: what validity checks do you do?
4237 2011-05-09 21:13:25 <sipa> for received getwork results?
4238 2011-05-09 21:13:42 <luke-jr> I think 300 seconds?
4239 2011-05-09 21:13:43 <topi`> hm, why is the difficulty still 109k if I ask my client?
4240 2011-05-09 21:13:49 <sipa> because it is
4241 2011-05-09 21:13:53 <luke-jr> topi`: the 0th block is left
4242 2011-05-09 21:13:54 <luke-jr> :p
4243 2011-05-09 21:14:36 <gjs278> I'll find it
4244 2011-05-09 21:14:39 <gjs278> by hand
4245 2011-05-09 21:14:47 <luke-jr> lol
4246 2011-05-09 21:15:44 <RBecker> god this is intense
4247 2011-05-09 21:15:55 <sipa> double rainbow all the way!
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4251 2011-05-09 21:17:15 ahbritto__ has joined
4252 2011-05-09 21:17:39 <topi`> i'm sure Art's hw miners will find the hiding block :)
4253 2011-05-09 21:17:43 ahbritto__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
4254 2011-05-09 21:17:49 <topi`> no matter how hard it tries to hide
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4256 2011-05-09 21:18:38 <gjs278> this was satoshi's twist
4257 2011-05-09 21:18:41 <gjs278> the mining is over
4258 2011-05-09 21:18:47 <gjs278> this was the last block to ever be generated
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4261 2011-05-09 21:18:55 <gjs278> shutdown the videocards boys
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4263 2011-05-09 21:19:07 <chmod755> gjs278: lol
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4266 2011-05-09 21:20:08 <sipa> if that is true, satoshi just aced the underhanded C contest
4267 2011-05-09 21:21:03 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
4268 2011-05-09 21:21:06 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122975 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 0 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 157416.40184364
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4270 2011-05-09 21:21:44 <BlueMatt> jaromil: wait, whats up?
4271 2011-05-09 21:22:06 <topi`> proof of work result!!!
4272 2011-05-09 21:22:11 <topi`> wait, it's only for the pool...
4273 2011-05-09 21:22:12 <topi`> :D
4274 2011-05-09 21:22:13 <JSharp> interesting
4275 2011-05-09 21:22:20 <EPiSKiNG> everyone shut down your miners for the next difficulty!
4276 2011-05-09 21:22:30 <EPiSKiNG> protest the 50% increase!
4277 2011-05-09 21:22:33 <topi`> I will shut, but let's first find that missing block
4278 2011-05-09 21:22:34 <EPiSKiNG> ;-)
4279 2011-05-09 21:22:46 <sipa> EPiSKiNG: funny thing is, that would actually help :)
4280 2011-05-09 21:22:52 <EPiSKiNG> it would totally help
4281 2011-05-09 21:23:01 <EPiSKiNG> summer vacation!
4282 2011-05-09 21:23:08 <EPiSKiNG> get the difficulty down to 75K
4283 2011-05-09 21:23:26 <sipa> *DOOMTIME*
4284 2011-05-09 21:23:31 <diki> ;;bc,stats
4285 2011-05-09 21:23:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122976 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 14 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 629665.87782534
4286 2011-05-09 21:23:40 <chmod755> ;;bc,gend 1 -1
4287 2011-05-09 21:23:40 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of -1, is -1.00582838058 BTC per day and -0.0419095158577 BTC per hour.
4288 2011-05-09 21:23:40 <ErrydayimGenerat> 5 days
4289 2011-05-09 21:23:44 <EPiSKiNG> 629665.8778253 LOL!!
4290 2011-05-09 21:23:47 <RBecker> there's the block
4291 2011-05-09 21:23:48 <topi`> well, when the dorms(with the free electricity) throw the students (and their gaming rigs) out for the summer, the mining rate SURELY will drop
4292 2011-05-09 21:23:49 <RBecker> :D
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4294 2011-05-09 21:24:02 <gjs278> shutdown the miners boys
4295 2011-05-09 21:24:10 <topi`> i wonder who got that last block...
4296 2011-05-09 21:24:12 * EPiSKiNG shuts down 2.2GH/s
4297 2011-05-09 21:24:20 <chmod755> topi`: <<<
4298 2011-05-09 21:24:24 <gjs278> I did
4299 2011-05-09 21:24:28 <gjs278> I solo mined it
4300 2011-05-09 21:24:36 <ErrydayimGenerat> <gribble> Current Blocks: 122976 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 14 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 629665.87782534
4301 2011-05-09 21:24:38 <sipa> it was not slush, deepbit or eligius that found it
4302 2011-05-09 21:24:39 BitMark has joined
4303 2011-05-09 21:24:41 <ErrydayimGenerat> wait wrong channel my bad haha
4304 2011-05-09 21:24:42 <gjs278> then I printed it out and am going to smoke a cigar with it
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4306 2011-05-09 21:25:19 <chmod755> EPiSKiNG: CIA started mining....@ 629665.8778253 ;)
4307 2011-05-09 21:25:21 <topi`> ok, shutting down my cpu miners :/
4308 2011-05-09 21:25:38 <JSharp> boom, first block at 150k difficulty :) yay
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4310 2011-05-09 21:26:09 <topi`> even the difficulty rise does not seem to be enough to curb the rate of new blocks...
4311 2011-05-09 21:26:19 <JSharp> then it will keep rising
4312 2011-05-09 21:26:30 <chmod755> Network total1.827 Thash/s wtf?
4313 2011-05-09 21:26:54 <sipa> actually, no there is no block yet at 150k difficulty
4314 2011-05-09 21:27:03 <JSharp> well, ~157
4315 2011-05-09 21:27:05 <JSharp> k
4316 2011-05-09 21:27:05 <chmod755> it was ~1.3 Thash/s this morning
4317 2011-05-09 21:27:09 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 270000 629665.87782534
4318 2011-05-09 21:27:09 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 270000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 629665.87782534, is 16 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 17 minutes, and 55 seconds
4319 2011-05-09 21:27:14 <sipa> ah well, yes, there is, sorry
4320 2011-05-09 21:27:25 <JSharp> sipa, yup, http://blockexplorer.com/block/0000000000003b10472364bf9183984bce1c54e6445ee997f193cbea40e65336
4321 2011-05-09 21:27:29 <JSharp> :)
4322 2011-05-09 21:27:38 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: did you see jaromil's response?
4323 2011-05-09 21:27:45 <EPiSKiNG> difficulty estimates are extremely innacurate for the first 500 blocks or so
4324 2011-05-09 21:28:04 <diki> doesnt matter
4325 2011-05-09 21:28:14 <diki> it will be up someday
4326 2011-05-09 21:28:26 <diki> beyond 629665.87782534
4327 2011-05-09 21:29:09 <chmod755> Next Difficulty Estimate: integer overflow error
4328 2011-05-09 21:30:01 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
4329 2011-05-09 21:30:01 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.6905,"vol":13341,"buy":3.8748,"sell":3.88,"last":3.8748}}
4330 2011-05-09 21:30:11 <gjs278> decent
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4333 2011-05-09 21:33:10 <grbgout> Does the official client support long polling?
4334 2011-05-09 21:33:28 marlowe has joined
4335 2011-05-09 21:33:34 <sipa> grbgout: what would it poll?
4336 2011-05-09 21:33:40 <sipa> it is its own server
4337 2011-05-09 21:33:47 * grbgout shrugs
4338 2011-05-09 21:33:48 <sipa> ah, as a server you mean :D
4339 2011-05-09 21:33:50 <sipa> sorry
4340 2011-05-09 21:33:51 <sipa> no
4341 2011-05-09 21:33:53 <luke-jr> grbgout: no
4342 2011-05-09 21:33:56 <luke-jr> sipa: miners would
4343 2011-05-09 21:33:57 <luke-jr> :P
4344 2011-05-09 21:34:31 <grbgout> I mean if I point my GPU miner at my bitcoin node, would long polling work?
4345 2011-05-09 21:34:41 <luke-jr> no
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4350 2011-05-09 21:41:36 <andrew12> I love that I can unknowingly uninstall irssi and it will still run perfectly fine.
4351 2011-05-09 21:41:44 <andrew12> <3 screen
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4356 2011-05-09 21:49:04 <netxshare> ;;bc,stats
4357 2011-05-09 21:49:10 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122978 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 30 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 399083.88153087
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4360 2011-05-09 21:50:55 <diki> maybe i should try doing solo for a minute or so
4361 2011-05-09 21:51:03 <diki> if i am extremely lucky i might find the hash
4362 2011-05-09 21:51:06 <diki> i.e block
4363 2011-05-09 21:51:14 <sipa> hash rate?
4364 2011-05-09 21:51:21 <diki> 270 mhash/s :P
4365 2011-05-09 21:51:56 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 270000 1m
4366 2011-05-09 21:51:57 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
4367 2011-05-09 21:52:00 <sipa> ;;bc,prob 270000 1m
4368 2011-05-09 21:52:01 <gribble> 2.39592335387e-05
4369 2011-05-09 21:52:06 <sipa> don't bother :D
4370 2011-05-09 21:52:17 <lupine_85> that is pretty poor
4371 2011-05-09 21:52:18 <lulzplzkthx> ;;bc,mtgox
4372 2011-05-09 21:52:19 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.6905,"vol":13488,"buy":3.8127,"sell":3.8599,"last":3.8124}}
4373 2011-05-09 21:52:22 <sipa> 0.00293% chance
4374 2011-05-09 21:52:36 <lulzplzkthx> sipa: That's more than the lottery.
4375 2011-05-09 21:52:37 <diki> you see, computers are computers; there is nothing random
4376 2011-05-09 21:52:39 <sipa> 0.00240% actually
4377 2011-05-09 21:52:41 <diki> that probability is also random
4378 2011-05-09 21:53:11 <diki> i could even find the block as fast as clicking "Start mining"
4379 2011-05-09 21:53:19 <diki> i mean right after i click start mining
4380 2011-05-09 21:54:09 <Strom> and then it could also turn out to be late to the party and be invalidated
4381 2011-05-09 21:55:31 <diki> Although now i get some weird message on gui miner again
4382 2011-05-09 21:55:39 <diki> Blocks:1, Difficulty hashes: 1
4383 2011-05-09 21:55:48 <diki> the blocks:1 part
4384 2011-05-09 21:56:41 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: just got back
4385 2011-05-09 21:57:27 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: jaromil did not look past the first commit
4386 2011-05-09 21:57:42 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 270000 157426.20628986
4387 2011-05-09 21:57:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 270000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 157426.20628986, is 4 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 37 minutes, and 3 seconds
4388 2011-05-09 21:57:45 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: if jaromil had bothered to actually check his own commit id, he would have seen it in the upstream tree: commit 84c3fb07b0b8199c7f85c5de280e7100bad0786f
4389 2011-05-09 21:57:46 <jgarzik> Author: Jaromil <jaromil@dyne.org>
4390 2011-05-09 21:57:46 <jgarzik> Date: Sat Apr 23 11:49:47 2011 +0200
4391 2011-05-09 21:57:46 <jgarzik> directory re-organization (keeps the old build system)
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4393 2011-05-09 21:58:06 <jgarzik> a merge commit is just that: a merge commit
4394 2011-05-09 21:58:11 <jgarzik> the old commits still exist
4395 2011-05-09 21:59:29 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 281000 157426.20628986
4396 2011-05-09 21:59:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 281000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 157426.20628986, is 3 weeks, 6 days, 20 hours, 23 minutes, and 13 seconds
4397 2011-05-09 21:59:43 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sorry, that would be my bad
4398 2011-05-09 21:59:55 <BlueMatt> I thought you did a manual redo of the commit instead of merging
4399 2011-05-09 22:02:06 <sipa> i don't understand github's output
4400 2011-05-09 22:02:10 * BlueMatt facepalms for the 100th time, its a learning process I suppose
4401 2011-05-09 22:02:14 <chmod755> ;;bc,stats
4402 2011-05-09 22:02:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122979 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 2012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 190327.15488046
4403 2011-05-09 22:02:58 <Kiba> when I woked up, there were 396 twitter messages about bitcoin O_O
4404 2011-05-09 22:03:13 <BlueMatt> sipa: got some free time? https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/fb70b46244968a43a899462a4c4e76252e5bc402 which depends on https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/c85871e3db5373129067c50042b3e0e20724e931 I have to go, leave comments with gribble :) (if you have time)
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4406 2011-05-09 22:05:48 <sipa> jgarzik: but why doesn't it show up in the commit history of bitcoin itself?
4407 2011-05-09 22:07:04 <sipa> oh wait it does
4408 2011-05-09 22:07:15 <sipa> but it's so old that it's not anymore on the first page
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4410 2011-05-09 22:08:40 <EvanR> difficulty adjusts every 2016 blocks, and if mining suddenly drops off drastically, the network basically locked up for a really long time?
4411 2011-05-09 22:09:20 <diki> locked up?
4412 2011-05-09 22:09:40 <EvanR> blocks taking much longer than 10 minutes, like 5 days each or something
4413 2011-05-09 22:09:47 <luke-jr> EvanR: yep
4414 2011-05-09 22:10:25 <EvanR> >_>
4415 2011-05-09 22:10:27 <EvanR> i need more input from more peoplee
4416 2011-05-09 22:10:27 <luke-jr> so basically, at this point if the exchange rate drops we're screwed
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4418 2011-05-09 22:11:06 <EvanR> i thought there was some sort of failsafe
4419 2011-05-09 22:11:09 <EvanR> like if 3 weeks go by and diff doesnt drop, it drops anyway
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4421 2011-05-09 22:12:16 <luke-jr> EvanR: not that I know of
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4425 2011-05-09 22:12:45 <diki> wow...taking much longer now to make a share
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4427 2011-05-09 22:13:35 <EvanR> where did all the technical stuff on the wiki go
4428 2011-05-09 22:13:39 <EvanR> i cant seem to navigate to it
4429 2011-05-09 22:13:56 <diki> the difficulty killed it :P
4430 2011-05-09 22:14:45 <EvanR> A single retarget never changes the target by more than a factor of 4 either way to prevent large changes in difficulty.
4431 2011-05-09 22:14:48 <EvanR> well theres something
4432 2011-05-09 22:14:49 <diki> by the next difficulty...there will be no use in mining with 270 mhash
4433 2011-05-09 22:14:57 <sipa> EvanR: there was some failsafe suggested, i believe
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4435 2011-05-09 22:15:04 <EvanR> oh
4436 2011-05-09 22:15:13 <EvanR> diki: oh?
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4439 2011-05-09 22:15:50 <diki> the way i see it...if difficulty get's higher then the 270 mhash/s wont be able to keep up
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4441 2011-05-09 22:16:12 <diki> mining for pennies is not what people came here for..
4442 2011-05-09 22:16:19 <EvanR> diki: keep up with what?
4443 2011-05-09 22:16:30 <EvanR> its profitable as long as you can pay for the electricity
4444 2011-05-09 22:16:31 <acfrazier> anyone here familiar with pushpool (specifically compiling it)
4445 2011-05-09 22:16:44 <EvanR> and the cost of maintaining the miner
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4461 2011-05-09 22:18:30 <dikidera> small delay
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4464 2011-05-09 22:18:39 <dikidera> so like i said...mining for pennies is not what people came here for..
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4466 2011-05-09 22:18:51 <dikidera> im actually pissed i learnt about bitcoin this year
4467 2011-05-09 22:19:02 <dikidera> i mean wtf did no one mentioned it earlier?
4468 2011-05-09 22:19:26 <ErrydayimGenerat> i mined before gpu processing
4469 2011-05-09 22:19:34 <dikidera> i would have too
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4471 2011-05-09 22:19:40 <ErrydayimGenerat> i wish i kept with it
4472 2011-05-09 22:19:43 <ErrydayimGenerat> 3 months bleh
4473 2011-05-09 22:19:46 <ErrydayimGenerat> i could have retired
4474 2011-05-09 22:19:48 <dikidera> do you know how much time i actually downclocked my cpu?
4475 2011-05-09 22:19:51 <dikidera> cause i didnt need it?
4476 2011-05-09 22:20:17 <dikidera> and i had the 5850 since 2010 february
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4478 2011-05-09 22:21:27 <EvanR> dikidera: how is ~300M mining for pennies?
4479 2011-05-09 22:21:50 <dikidera> when the next diff comes...it will be
4480 2011-05-09 22:22:10 <dikidera> and the next, and the next
4481 2011-05-09 22:22:15 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gen 300000 [bc,estimate]
4482 2011-05-09 22:22:15 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
4483 2011-05-09 22:22:24 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gend 300000 [bc,estimate]
4484 2011-05-09 22:22:25 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 239872.63686385, is 1.25795304592 BTC per day and 0.0524147102466 BTC per hour.
4485 2011-05-09 22:22:31 <luke-jr> â¦
4486 2011-05-09 22:22:40 <dikidera> i do 270 currently
4487 2011-05-09 22:22:43 <dikidera> max
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4489 2011-05-09 22:22:51 <EvanR> dikidera: if diff goes that high, then the price will go up
4490 2011-05-09 22:22:58 <EvanR> er the price would have gone up
4491 2011-05-09 22:23:00 <dikidera> will it?
4492 2011-05-09 22:23:01 <dikidera> i doubt
4493 2011-05-09 22:23:11 <dikidera> people say it might even drop
4494 2011-05-09 22:23:16 <luke-jr> it would already be up
4495 2011-05-09 22:23:25 <luke-jr> people won't buy miners unless it's profitable
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4497 2011-05-09 22:23:33 <luke-jr> for it to be profitable, the price has to go up
4498 2011-05-09 22:24:35 <dikidera> i actually had plans...but when i learnt about difficulty...they kinda got screwed up
4499 2011-05-09 22:24:41 <dikidera> even more so when i broke my card
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4502 2011-05-09 22:25:44 <dikidera> my plans were: make btc and buy another card to help me mine, thus doubling the profit
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4504 2011-05-09 22:27:39 <dikidera> and also buy more ram and a better case...
4505 2011-05-09 22:27:56 <dikidera> and if the chance existed, spare me from getting a job
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4507 2011-05-09 22:29:11 <SerajewelKS> luke-jr: re: < luke-jr> SerajewelKS: you need to change $_GET to $_REQUEST, IIRC
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4509 2011-05-09 22:29:33 <SerajewelKS> luke-jr: is this in reference to my fix for the bug in diablominer?
4510 2011-05-09 22:29:38 <dikidera> $_REQUEST only if you don't know from where the data will come
4511 2011-05-09 22:29:46 <dikidera> $_request also does cookies
4512 2011-05-09 22:29:48 <luke-jr> SerajewelKS: yes
4513 2011-05-09 22:29:53 <SerajewelKS> luke-jr: ok. sorry, that's wrong.
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4515 2011-05-09 22:30:04 <SerajewelKS> luke-jr: $_GET refers to stuff in the query string. $_POST refers to stuff in the HTTP entity.
4516 2011-05-09 22:30:16 <SerajewelKS> luke-jr: if you pass stuff in the query string with a POST, you still read it with $_GET
4517 2011-05-09 22:30:18 <dikidera> basic stuff :)
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4521 2011-05-09 22:30:36 <SerajewelKS> luke-jr: diablominer does an empty POST to a URL with a query string, hence $_GET
4522 2011-05-09 22:30:50 <luke-jr> ew
4523 2011-05-09 22:31:07 <SerajewelKS> yes. technically diablominer violates the long-polling spec.
4524 2011-05-09 22:31:26 <SerajewelKS> but whatever, it's a one-line change for me to support broken clients. :)
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4526 2011-05-09 22:31:37 <dikidera> technically diablo has been acting like an ass...
4527 2011-05-09 22:32:00 <dikidera> i've seen people swear a lot
4528 2011-05-09 22:32:11 <dikidera> but diablo might get it in the guinness records
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4530 2011-05-09 22:32:30 <SerajewelKS> i will reserve comment about diablo until i've seen more conversations with him. but my first impression is that he doesn't have a whole lot of people skills.
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4532 2011-05-09 22:33:19 <luke-jr> dikidera: that's normal for him
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4534 2011-05-09 22:33:58 <ErrydayimGenerat> people with friends don't find bitcoin
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4538 2011-05-09 22:34:30 <acfrazier> alright. when I go to compile pushpool I get
4539 2011-05-09 22:34:31 <acfrazier> configure: error: Missing required SQLite 3.x library
4540 2011-05-09 22:34:36 <acfrazier> but sqlite 3 is installed.
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4544 2011-05-09 22:35:29 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Chris Howie * ree5266996ea1 mining-proxy/htdocs/index.php: Fix for DiabloMiner, which uses POST for long polling requests instead of GET http://tinyurl.com/5tcn8kp
4545 2011-05-09 22:35:55 <SerajewelKS> ErrydayimGenerat: my friends do :)
4546 2011-05-09 22:36:00 <SerajewelKS> oh neat
4547 2011-05-09 22:36:07 <Ratt> Hi guys... I am trying to get pushpoold to work, but when I try to connect poclbm to it, debug output says host connected, then client ended. No other information (other than IP information) is returned in the log and poclbm returns Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
4548 2011-05-09 22:36:10 <SerajewelKS> i have a bot stalker
4549 2011-05-09 22:37:06 <SerajewelKS> anyway, time to head home
4550 2011-05-09 22:37:07 * SerajewelKS waves
4551 2011-05-09 22:37:24 <ArtForzZz> depends
4552 2011-05-09 22:37:42 <ArtForzZz> reading the LP spec literally, you're supposed to send a empty GET
4553 2011-05-09 22:38:05 <Ratt> Is that directed at me or a previous conversation?
4554 2011-05-09 22:38:09 <SerajewelKS> ArtForzZz: yes, and that's what every other client i have used actually does
4555 2011-05-09 22:38:21 <SerajewelKS> thus far, diablominer is the only outlier
4556 2011-05-09 22:39:24 <SerajewelKS> ArtForzZz: and specs are meant to be read literally :) if not, they wouldn't be specs. they would be ideas.
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4558 2011-05-09 22:39:40 <ArtForzZz> yup, if he does that, thats quite obviously violating the spec
4559 2011-05-09 22:39:59 <tcatm> Is a lot of connections in TIME_WAIT a symptom of a DDoS?
4560 2011-05-09 22:40:19 <SerajewelKS> however, there is the "be lenient in what you accept" wisdom to consider
4561 2011-05-09 22:40:24 <ArtForzZz> you can also read the spec as "send a getwork JSON-RPC call to the LP url"
4562 2011-05-09 22:40:35 <SerajewelKS> tcatm: TIME_WAIT means that the connection was recently closed
4563 2011-05-09 22:40:43 <SerajewelKS> tcatm: so if so, it's a very primitive DDoS
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4565 2011-05-09 22:41:21 <SerajewelKS> tcatm: i'd expect many SYN_RECV sockets for a SYN flood
4566 2011-05-09 22:41:24 <ArtForzZz> which would be violating HTTP protocol to send as a GET (GET can't have content body)
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4568 2011-05-09 22:41:39 <jgarzik> sipa: when you merge a commit from, say, Jan 2011, it shows up way way way down in the commit list
4569 2011-05-09 22:41:40 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
4570 2011-05-09 22:41:41 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.937,"low":3.6905,"vol":13219,"buy":3.816,"sell":3.8597,"last":3.816}}
4571 2011-05-09 22:42:17 <Ratt> Is this a good place to ask questions about pushpoold or is there a more appropriate place?
4572 2011-05-09 22:42:20 <SerajewelKS> ArtForzZz: i don't see that in the spec
4573 2011-05-09 22:42:25 <ArtForzZz> see what?
4574 2011-05-09 22:42:27 <SerajewelKS> ArtForzZz: not unless you are assuming it, which would be wrong
4575 2011-05-09 22:42:32 <SerajewelKS> < ArtForzZz> you can also read the spec as "send a getwork JSON-RPC call to the LP url"
4576 2011-05-09 22:42:38 <SerajewelKS> you can't read it that way
4577 2011-05-09 22:42:44 <SerajewelKS> unless you like to make up shit while you read it
4578 2011-05-09 22:42:47 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
4579 2011-05-09 22:42:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122986 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 2005 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 17 hours, 18 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 224734.67603000
4580 2011-05-09 22:42:52 <ArtForzZz> yes you can, because the spec doesn't define "request"
4581 2011-05-09 22:42:55 <JFK911> 160k!
4582 2011-05-09 22:42:59 <SerajewelKS> Ratt: i think this is the place to ask
4583 2011-05-09 22:43:08 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 800000
4584 2011-05-09 22:43:08 <ArtForzZz> and actually uses "request" to refer to a json-rpc request 2 paragraphs above
4585 2011-05-09 22:43:09 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 46 minutes, and 15 seconds
4586 2011-05-09 22:43:13 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 850000
4587 2011-05-09 22:43:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 850000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 57 minutes, and 39 seconds
4588 2011-05-09 22:43:30 <SerajewelKS> ArtForzZz: "requests getwork" and "starts a request" are different
4589 2011-05-09 22:43:37 <SerajewelKS> ArtForzZz: one is a verb, one is a noun
4590 2011-05-09 22:44:08 <ArtForzZz> wow, really? who would've noticed.
4591 2011-05-09 22:44:17 <SerajewelKS> "request to long polling URL with GET method" sounds like an HTTP request to me
4592 2011-05-09 22:44:33 <SerajewelKS> but i tend to read things pretty literally :)
4593 2011-05-09 22:44:40 <ArtForzZz> sounds like != clearly states
4594 2011-05-09 22:44:45 <SerajewelKS> yes, it is a bit ambiguous. but it clearly specifies GET.
4595 2011-05-09 22:44:50 <ArtForzZz> yep
4596 2011-05-09 22:44:53 <SerajewelKS> and since GET requests have no body, that rules out JSON-RPC.
4597 2011-05-09 22:45:05 <ArtForzZz> obviously
4598 2011-05-09 22:45:29 <SerajewelKS> so if you thought "JSON-RPC request" when you read "request" you should stop thinking that when you reach "GET" ;)
4599 2011-05-09 22:45:31 <acfrazier> so nobody knows how to fix this problem with pushpool?
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4601 2011-05-09 22:45:44 <Ratt> What's your problem acfrazier?
4602 2011-05-09 22:46:11 <acfrazier> whenever I run ./configure I get an error about a missing SQLite 3.x library, but SQLite is installed as far as I can tell
4603 2011-05-09 22:46:23 <SerajewelKS> acfrazier: which linux distribution?
4604 2011-05-09 22:46:34 <acfrazier> CentOS
4605 2011-05-09 22:46:48 <SerajewelKS> acfrazier: do you have the sqlite development RPMs installed, or just the library?
4606 2011-05-09 22:46:48 <Ratt> Do you not have mysql installed by default on CentOS?
4607 2011-05-09 22:47:01 <acfrazier> mysql is installed, yep
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4609 2011-05-09 22:47:14 <ArtForzZz> looks like thats actually exactly what diablos does...
4610 2011-05-09 22:47:20 <SerajewelKS> no matter which DB you choose, you will need to have the development headers installed
4611 2011-05-09 22:47:23 <acfrazier> SerajewelKS, sqlite-devel is installed, if that's what you mean
4612 2011-05-09 22:47:31 <Ratt> Unless you are just playing around, I'd recommend going with mysql anyway, because you'll eventually end up having to convert over to it when you start having heavier sql load.
4613 2011-05-09 22:47:37 <SerajewelKS> acfrazier: hmm, that should be enough, weird
4614 2011-05-09 22:47:41 <Ratt> Or postgres
4615 2011-05-09 22:48:02 <SerajewelKS> if you have the option of postgres, use it :)
4616 2011-05-09 22:48:18 <ArtForzZz> yep, looks like it's trying to send a getwork request to the LP URL
4617 2011-05-09 22:48:27 <SerajewelKS> ArtForzZz: yeah, that would be wrong :)
4618 2011-05-09 22:48:32 <Ratt> So anyone know what my problem is as far as pushpool goes?
4619 2011-05-09 22:51:21 <acfrazier> ah, now I think I know why it won't compile
4620 2011-05-09 22:51:30 <acfrazier> mysql-devel isn't installed, and I've entered dependency hell
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4651 2011-05-09 23:36:16 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
4652 2011-05-09 23:36:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122999 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1992 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 12 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 324523.44727863
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