1 2011-05-11 00:00:01 eternal1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
   2 2011-05-11 00:00:18 <molecular> luke-jr, jsemar wouldn't that be 15 MH/s? 1000/66?
   3 2011-05-11 00:00:40 <luke-jr> 1 GHz is 1,000,000,000 clock cycles
   4 2011-05-11 00:00:56 <luke-jr> and there are 2 SHA per H
   5 2011-05-11 00:00:56 <molecular> 1E9/66 = 15E6
   6 2011-05-11 00:01:11 <molecular> oh, so it's 7.57MH/s
   7 2011-05-11 00:01:22 <jsemar> that is what I thought at first
   8 2011-05-11 00:01:31 <molecular> not 757MH/s
   9 2011-05-11 00:01:34 <jsemar> that it seemed really small, but i though i'd ask oneo f you guys
  10 2011-05-11 00:01:53 <molecular> you'd have to fit it on the chip completely unrolled, like art
  11 2011-05-11 00:02:12 <molecular> so when pipeline is filled, you have _about_ 1 hash / clock
  12 2011-05-11 00:02:13 <jsemar> what do you mean by that
  13 2011-05-11 00:02:13 <luke-jr> ;;calc 1000000000/66/2
  14 2011-05-11 00:02:14 <gribble> (1 000 000 000 / 66) / 2 = 7 575 757.58
  15 2011-05-11 00:02:39 <molecular> jsemar, did you ever look at one of the opencl-kernels used on GPUs? there's no loop for sha256 there
  16 2011-05-11 00:02:46 <luke-jr> :o
  17 2011-05-11 00:02:48 <luke-jr> 7.5 GH?
  18 2011-05-11 00:02:53 <molecular> no, MH
  19 2011-05-11 00:03:06 <luke-jr> o
  20 2011-05-11 00:03:08 <luke-jr> right
  21 2011-05-11 00:03:16 <Ratt> Yeah. Depends on how many cores you can fit on a chip
  22 2011-05-11 00:03:24 <Ratt> Fit 200 on a small die and you might have something.
  23 2011-05-11 00:03:29 <theorbtwo> ;;rate 7575
  24 2011-05-11 00:03:29 <gribble> (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
  25 2011-05-11 00:04:26 <molecular> ;;bc,gen 7575
  26 2011-05-11 00:04:27 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 7575 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 0.0483982315428 BTC per day and 0.00201659298095 BTC per hour.
  27 2011-05-11 00:05:08 <theorbtwo> molecular: Thanks.
  28 2011-05-11 00:05:21 <molecular> instead of "for(i=0; i<3) do_x(i)" you do "do_x(0); do_x(1); do_x(2)" <- loop unrolling
  29 2011-05-11 00:05:49 <phantomcircuit> http://imgur.com/gallery/kEf7i
  30 2011-05-11 00:05:50 <phantomcircuit> lol
  31 2011-05-11 00:06:58 <forrestv> ArtForzZz, can you explain why simply reversing that hash string earlier made it work?
  32 2011-05-11 00:07:21 theorbtwo has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
  33 2011-05-11 00:09:08 theorbtwo has joined
  34 2011-05-11 00:10:39 BitMark has quit (Quit: BitMark)
  35 2011-05-11 00:13:56 <forrestv> grah, why don't people just store hashes as integers while in json format
  36 2011-05-11 00:14:05 sc8nt4u has joined
  37 2011-05-11 00:14:10 <midnightmagic> i wonder if that's a bot that slowly pushes up last-seen prices by buying 1 or 2 ฿ when the opportunity arises..
  38 2011-05-11 00:14:27 <luke-jr> forrestv++
  39 2011-05-11 00:14:32 <molecular> no, it's me
  40 2011-05-11 00:14:40 <molecular> midnightmagic, at least I'm helping that
  41 2011-05-11 00:14:41 <luke-jr> forrestv: but srsly, my miners would kill me
  42 2011-05-11 00:14:56 <anarchyx> if i add 50G to deepbit will it be crossing the 50% treshold again?
  43 2011-05-11 00:14:58 <forrestv> hehe
  44 2011-05-11 00:15:02 <molecular> midnightmagic, I'm investigating making a bot that would probably do sth like that, though ;)
  45 2011-05-11 00:15:03 <midnightmagic> molecular: well. thanks for making my safe deposit box insurable. :)
  46 2011-05-11 00:15:20 <luke-jr> anarchyx: pick Eligius -.-
  47 2011-05-11 00:15:24 <molecular> it's not me alone, though
  48 2011-05-11 00:15:30 <molecular> but I still think it's humans
  49 2011-05-11 00:15:49 <midnightmagic> well, so far I know you.. and.. I'll thank the others when i learn about them. :)
  50 2011-05-11 00:15:53 <molecular> midnightmagic, safe deposit box insurance?
  51 2011-05-11 00:16:07 <midnightmagic> no, worth buying insurance for its contents. :)
  52 2011-05-11 00:16:24 amiller has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  53 2011-05-11 00:17:15 <molecular> midnightmagic, I don't get it... what's your safe deposit box?
  54 2011-05-11 00:17:25 <midnightmagic> wallet backups.
  55 2011-05-11 00:17:49 ahbritto has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  56 2011-05-11 00:18:09 sc8nt4u has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  57 2011-05-11 00:18:20 <molecular> midnightmagic, how did I make your wallet backups insurable?
  58 2011-05-11 00:18:49 ahbritto has joined
  59 2011-05-11 00:20:18 <midnightmagic> you pushed up the psychological high-prices on mtgox.
  60 2011-05-11 00:21:24 <midnightmagic> unless i understood you wrong.
  61 2011-05-11 00:21:41 <molecular> uhm, the rough idea is to place orders "inside the gap"
  62 2011-05-11 00:22:14 <molecular> when exchange rate is swinging up and down like it often does, I make money, right?
  63 2011-05-11 00:23:09 <molecular> I'm kind of manually trying that with small amount (1-3 BTC)
  64 2011-05-11 00:23:45 <midnightmagic> ah, then you understood me wrong. to me, it looks like there is a 1BTC buy every now and then when it would push the last-price (and often the high) into new territory, and thus overall push up the last-seens.
  65 2011-05-11 00:24:26 <midnightmagic> wehre the purpose is to deliberately try to break psychological barriers to maximum prices.
  66 2011-05-11 00:24:37 <molecular> oh! that? I saw that happen, too, about a week ago. it kept buying/selling (don't remember which) 1 BTC like 20 times in a row about every 2-5 seconds
  67 2011-05-11 00:25:07 <molecular> but it was buying even when the last aktion was a buy
  68 2011-05-11 00:25:08 <midnightmagic> there's another bot in there that really hates it when you undersell it.
  69 2011-05-11 00:25:58 <molecular> you mean it makes a higher bid when it doesn't have the highest bid?
  70 2011-05-11 00:25:59 <jsemar> is there a link on the wiki of the actual algorithm that the miner is running (maybe in pseudo code) for example is it just sha256.digest(nonce+block_header)?
  71 2011-05-11 00:26:06 <midnightmagic> you can literally trigger it by underselling it by a significant fraction of its current volume, and it'll re-ask right below you, right down to a percentage above the gap.
  72 2011-05-11 00:26:39 <molecular> hmm, sounds like something my bot would do, but I have barely started coding ;)
  73 2011-05-11 00:27:16 <midnightmagic> i was probing it for about a week. it was 100% consistent.. i think I could have taken advantage of it if I were a bit more liquid. :)
  74 2011-05-11 00:27:37 <molecular> it'd be nice to analyze the bot and take... you just said it... advantage of it's logic
  75 2011-05-11 00:27:56 * molecular decided to randomize his bot's actions ;)
  76 2011-05-11 00:28:00 <midnightmagic> identification of automatic activity is always a precursor to..  what do they call it? lulz?
  77 2011-05-11 00:28:55 Lachesis has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
  78 2011-05-11 00:29:34 <midnightmagic> if you write a bot, watch out for rule changes!
  79 2011-05-11 00:29:37 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, xD
  80 2011-05-11 00:29:57 <molecular> midnightmagic, what rules? the 0.65%?
  81 2011-05-11 00:30:02 <midnightmagic> yeah.
  82 2011-05-11 00:30:54 <molecular> well, i'm not going to make it calculate that closely anyways
  83 2011-05-11 00:34:14 <molecular> currently the "gap" is 0.0490, that's 0.88% of the highest bid,  making up for the 0.65% mtgox charges...
  84 2011-05-11 00:34:21 <molecular> sorry, "barely making up"
  85 2011-05-11 00:35:01 <molecular> maybe I should run some simulations before I actually try this
  86 2011-05-11 00:35:11 acfrazier has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  87 2011-05-11 00:36:29 <molecular> ok, it wasnt me, but theres now 1 BTC ask and a 1 BTC bid at 5.56 and 5.59
  88 2011-05-11 00:37:16 agricocb has joined
  89 2011-05-11 00:37:55 Kiba has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  90 2011-05-11 00:38:05 <molecular> the bid was filled.. what's the bot/human do?
  91 2011-05-11 00:39:57 <midnightmagic> the one I'm talking about?
  92 2011-05-11 00:40:38 <midnightmagic> like the one I was tracking a few weeks ago? or the 1฿ push-the-price-higher bot?
  93 2011-05-11 00:40:47 <molecular> dunno. shouldn't think loud on # ;)
  94 2011-05-11 00:41:11 Clark has joined
  95 2011-05-11 00:41:58 drk_ghost has joined
  96 2011-05-11 00:41:59 <molecular> I don't know who/what was it. but there as an ask and a bid placed at about the same time, both 1 BTC. kinda looked to me like it might be a bot
  97 2011-05-11 00:42:25 <ntosme2> woot, 5970 for $540
  98 2011-05-11 00:42:32 <molecular> used?
  99 2011-05-11 00:42:38 <ntosme2> ya
 100 2011-05-11 00:42:46 <molecular> might have a problem
 101 2011-05-11 00:42:50 Dark_Ghost has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 102 2011-05-11 00:42:51 drk_ghost is now known as Dark_Ghost
 103 2011-05-11 00:42:55 <molecular> the card, I mean
 104 2011-05-11 00:43:08 <ntosme2> I've purchased several used already, no problems yet
 105 2011-05-11 00:43:23 <Construct> My 5970s and 5870s are probably the only hardware purchase I've ever had increase in value
 106 2011-05-11 00:43:23 <ntosme2> they have 3+ months at full load
 107 2011-05-11 00:43:55 <molecular> Construct, never saw it that way. but it's true for me, too. will keep my lonely 5970 though
 108 2011-05-11 00:44:21 <ntosme2> molecular: you don't want to sell it to me? ;-)
 109 2011-05-11 00:44:26 <Construct> Well, at least until mining becomes unprofitable/unpopular. At which point the market will probably be flooded
 110 2011-05-11 00:44:26 <molecular> no
 111 2011-05-11 00:44:39 <molecular> I would buy more cards if I had location to put them
 112 2011-05-11 00:44:40 <midnightmagic> construct lol awesome me too..! :)
 113 2011-05-11 00:45:36 <molecular> can't imagine mining being both profitable and unpopular
 114 2011-05-11 00:46:56 <Construct> Well if elecricity + depreciation are consuming 90% of the bitcoins you're earning, it's still technically profitable
 115 2011-05-11 00:46:56 Lachesis has joined
 116 2011-05-11 00:46:59 <Construct> Just not really worthwhile
 117 2011-05-11 00:48:51 ezl has joined
 118 2011-05-11 00:50:07 toffoo has quit ()
 119 2011-05-11 00:50:18 <molecular> your still stabilizing bitcoin, though
 120 2011-05-11 00:50:22 <molecular> *you're
 121 2011-05-11 00:50:48 toffoo has joined
 122 2011-05-11 00:57:56 KBme has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 123 2011-05-11 01:01:20 PsecretPseudonym has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 124 2011-05-11 01:01:46 PsecretPseudonym has joined
 125 2011-05-11 01:05:21 eternal1 has joined
 126 2011-05-11 01:06:47 Aahzmundus is now known as AFK!~random@207.138.216.146|Aahzmundus
 127 2011-05-11 01:09:19 KBme has joined
 128 2011-05-11 01:13:33 <dirtyfilthy> i also run a bot that scalps as an experiment
 129 2011-05-11 01:14:00 jeremias has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 130 2011-05-11 01:14:26 <dirtyfilthy> gave it twenty bucks to play with and it's now on 43 dollars HOWEVER this is less money than if the bot had just brought bitcoins and held them
 131 2011-05-11 01:15:30 AmpEater2 has quit ()
 132 2011-05-11 01:15:36 <dirtyfilthy> while earning a bunch of cash for mtgox ;)
 133 2011-05-11 01:15:43 ForceMajeure has joined
 134 2011-05-11 01:16:47 Guest40391 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 135 2011-05-11 01:16:54 pnicholson has quit (Quit: pnicholson)
 136 2011-05-11 01:21:48 pnicholson has joined
 137 2011-05-11 01:25:43 Silverpike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 138 2011-05-11 01:26:22 james has joined
 139 2011-05-11 01:26:49 james is now known as Guest42025
 140 2011-05-11 01:31:11 wolfspraul has joined
 141 2011-05-11 01:36:52 phantomcircuit_ has joined
 142 2011-05-11 01:39:22 _ape has joined
 143 2011-05-11 01:39:38 <_ape> anyone have any idea what would cause this shit: ./hashkill-gpu: /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by ./hashkill-gpu)
 144 2011-05-11 01:39:40 <_ape> ?
 145 2011-05-11 01:39:50 <_ape> ive tried like 3 different versions of openssl and they all do it
 146 2011-05-11 01:40:59 <sacarlson> _ape: did you install the -dev package?
 147 2011-05-11 01:41:03 <_ape> no
 148 2011-05-11 01:41:06 <_ape> just binary
 149 2011-05-11 01:41:10 <_ape> do i need to compile it myself?
 150 2011-05-11 01:41:39 <sacarlson> _ape: that would depend on what platform you run on I guess
 151 2011-05-11 01:41:47 <_ape> i'm using the latest tinycorelinux
 152 2011-05-11 01:41:54 <_ape> ive got opencl working just need to get the actual miners to work heh
 153 2011-05-11 01:42:09 <_ape> going to install the -dev and see
 154 2011-05-11 01:42:31 [Noodles] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 155 2011-05-11 01:43:02 vorlov has quit (Quit: vorlov)
 156 2011-05-11 01:44:02 <ne0futur> _ape: could be that the tinycorelinux version of libcrypto is so much optimized to be small that it does not have some symbols needed
 157 2011-05-11 01:44:10 <_ape> maybe
 158 2011-05-11 01:49:34 jivvz has quit (Quit: Lämnar)
 159 2011-05-11 01:50:04 <_ape> now i'm getting hashkill-gpu: error while loading shared libraries: libOpenCL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 160 2011-05-11 01:50:12 <_ape> even though $LD_LIBRARY_PATH has that file
 161 2011-05-11 01:50:23 <_ape> doesn't make a bit of sense
 162 2011-05-11 01:50:46 <Dark_Ghost> if the ps3 was able to run linux again, would using cheap ps3's to make a cluster to grind out btc be worth trying?
 163 2011-05-11 01:50:59 <_ape> running as root i get that error, as a user i get the other one
 164 2011-05-11 01:51:17 <_ape> Dark_Ghost: it would probably use more power than it made mining
 165 2011-05-11 01:51:45 <dirtyfilthy> Dark_Ghost: it can run linux and there's an spe miner
 166 2011-05-11 01:51:55 <Dark_Ghost> i could see that being true.
 167 2011-05-11 01:52:30 <dirtyfilthy> runs at 20 Mhash
 168 2011-05-11 01:53:44 lzsaver has joined
 169 2011-05-11 01:54:00 <Dark_Ghost> does that use both cpus and gpus?
 170 2011-05-11 01:56:01 <Dark_Ghost> what would a core 2 duo run, Mhash wise, approx i just need something for context to guage that statement
 171 2011-05-11 01:56:24 <kakazza> Dark_Ghost https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
 172 2011-05-11 01:56:36 <kakazza> The PS3 is also listed there.
 173 2011-05-11 01:57:06 <grbgout> Does anyone know the URL of the site that charts bitcoin transactions as they occur?  Yellow circles for generated blocks, blue for transactions.
 174 2011-05-11 01:57:23 <xelister> grbgout: should be listed
 175 2011-05-11 01:57:34 <xelister> in exchangers /  tradeers on bitcoin.org
 176 2011-05-11 01:57:59 Incitatus has joined
 177 2011-05-11 01:58:56 Darkmatter has joined
 178 2011-05-11 01:59:54 <sacarlson> _ape: did you try ldconfig to correct your problem?
 179 2011-05-11 02:00:18 Darkmatter has quit (Client Quit)
 180 2011-05-11 02:00:27 <grbgout> xelister: could be, I was hoping someone would remember the URL off the top of their head.
 181 2011-05-11 02:00:59 <_ape> doesnt  chang anything, sacarlson
 182 2011-05-11 02:01:02 <_ape> change*
 183 2011-05-11 02:01:06 <_ape> :\
 184 2011-05-11 02:01:15 <Dark_Ghost> thank you for the link!
 185 2011-05-11 02:01:18 <_ape> working on getting poclbm working since hashkill is being a bitch
 186 2011-05-11 02:01:27 <Dark_Ghost> also found it in the thread
 187 2011-05-11 02:03:14 <xelister> 5970's for rent: you pay some sum (to be agreed on) to rent for 30 days, during which time it is running @820MHz (610 MHash), on linux, connected to pool with 100% payouts, you get all its earning off that card. 2 card available now, 4 more with 5 day setup time. Anyone intersted - PM me what you would like to pay for access for 30 days for such radeon 5970. Uptime 99%.
 188 2011-05-11 02:04:27 <taco_the_paco> o-o
 189 2011-05-11 02:06:27 <xelister> SELLING @ 2 USD/BTC PM ME
 190 2011-05-11 02:06:46 <sacarlson> _ape: well I guess you need objdump -p /bin/bitcoin and see what libs it needs that you don't have?
 191 2011-05-11 02:11:57 <xelister> ;;bc,gen 615000
 192 2011-05-11 02:11:58 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 615000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 3.92936137278 BTC per day and 0.163723390533 BTC per hour.
 193 2011-05-11 02:12:55 <_ape> yeah i will check in a bit
 194 2011-05-11 02:12:58 <_ape> after i get python stuff working
 195 2011-05-11 02:21:41 <Aahzmundus> When you create a new wallet, does it create the 100 addresses in the background? or do you have to create your first extra address ( a second one) to force the 100 generation?
 196 2011-05-11 02:23:07 JSharp has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 197 2011-05-11 02:24:27 vorlov has joined
 198 2011-05-11 02:24:33 <Aahzmundus> Basically I got a friend into bitcoin, had him make a wallet, backed up the wallet, he made some addresses I sent him 5 coins, he reimaged the computer... restored the backup wallet, and now the coins arent there... and we are wondering what is up or what to do
 199 2011-05-11 02:26:29 <xelister> 5970 for 30 BTC. For rent for a week. x3 for month. Negotiable offer. You pay BTC to rent for 7 or 30 days, during which time it is running @820MHz (610 MHash), on linux, connected to pool with 100% payouts, you get all its earning off that card. 2 card available now, 4 more with 5 day setup time. Anyone intersted - PM me what you would like to pay for access for 7/30 days. Uptime 98%. Administration, net, electricity costs are on me. Possible to
 200 2011-05-11 02:26:30 <xelister> pay in USD/EUR/PLN and get vat invoice.
 201 2011-05-11 02:26:42 sethsethseth____ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 202 2011-05-11 02:27:04 sethsethseth____ has joined
 203 2011-05-11 02:27:06 <doublec> Aahzmundus: try using the -rescan option
 204 2011-05-11 02:27:23 <doublec> Aahzmundus: ie. ./bitcoind -rescan
 205 2011-05-11 02:27:45 <doublec> Aahzmundus: also make sure the entire blockchain has been re-downloaded
 206 2011-05-11 02:28:00 <doublec> Aahzmundus: your friend won't see the new coins until that happens
 207 2011-05-11 02:28:15 <Aahzmundus> we tried -rescan... when we load in the wallet... each time the original address is different
 208 2011-05-11 02:28:55 <Aahzmundus> currently we are trying a fresh install with the old wallet and letting it dl the chain over
 209 2011-05-11 02:30:05 <Aahzmundus> im worried that the 100 addresses are loaded into the wallet after the second address is generated
 210 2011-05-11 02:30:15 <Aahzmundus> because we made a wallet backup first thing
 211 2011-05-11 02:35:36 <doublec> in general I'd think it's a bad idea to wipe out your machine without backing up your wallet
 212 2011-05-11 02:35:43 amiller has joined
 213 2011-05-11 02:36:12 <doublec> but hopefully a wallet restore + block download + rescan will fix things
 214 2011-05-11 02:36:42 <Aahzmundus> well you see we figured the wallet was backed up
 215 2011-05-11 02:37:32 <Ratt> If you made new addresses after the wallet was backed up, I don't believe you'll get the same addresses back.
 216 2011-05-11 02:37:52 <Ratt> Since the random seed would be different, no?
 217 2011-05-11 02:38:07 <doublec> he's working on the theory that the wallet makes 100 addresses, so restoring from backup it still has those addresses
 218 2011-05-11 02:38:09 <Aahzmundus> but the coins would still be associated with the private key?
 219 2011-05-11 02:38:34 theorbtwo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 220 2011-05-11 02:38:56 <Ratt> Hmm, yeah that's true.  I'm not sure when the 100 addresses are generated first.  Yes, the coins would still be associated with the key I'd imagine.
 221 2011-05-11 02:39:16 AndChat- has joined
 222 2011-05-11 02:39:20 AndChat- has quit (Client Quit)
 223 2011-05-11 02:39:22 davex__ has joined
 224 2011-05-11 02:39:33 AndChat- has joined
 225 2011-05-11 02:39:44 BlueMatt has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 226 2011-05-11 02:39:53 mark__ has joined
 227 2011-05-11 02:40:58 phantomcircuit_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 228 2011-05-11 02:41:19 bitcoiner has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830])
 229 2011-05-11 02:43:28 <Aahzmundus> Whats with the wallet directory in %appdata%\roaming\bitcoin?
 230 2011-05-11 02:43:40 <Aahzmundus> do you need that and the wallet.dat file? not from what i read...
 231 2011-05-11 02:45:41 KBme has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 232 2011-05-11 02:46:52 <Ratt> No, just wallet.dat
 233 2011-05-11 02:47:15 <Ratt> Which directory did you pull wallet.dat out of?
 234 2011-05-11 02:47:50 <Aahzmundus> the %appdata%\roaming\bitcoin not %appdata%\roaming\bitcoin\wallet
 235 2011-05-11 02:48:12 <Ratt> I've not seen wallet directory, just the wallet.dat.
 236 2011-05-11 02:48:24 <Aahzmundus> yeah me neither till recently
 237 2011-05-11 02:49:10 curiositysquared has joined
 238 2011-05-11 02:50:03 <Ratt> Is there a known problem with 69xx cards in Natty? Anyone know?  I and several others are running into issues with fglrx on Natty with 69xx cards.
 239 2011-05-11 02:50:22 <Ratt> Works fine with 5xxx cards
 240 2011-05-11 02:55:13 joepie91 has joined
 241 2011-05-11 02:55:45 mark__ has quit (Quit: Page closed)
 242 2011-05-11 02:57:02 icarus has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 243 2011-05-11 02:57:08 ErrydayimGenerat has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 244 2011-05-11 02:58:09 icarus has joined
 245 2011-05-11 02:59:03 <Ratt> The answer is yes.  6xxx series cards aren't supported under Natty due to fglrx being outdated.
 246 2011-05-11 02:59:18 <Ratt> Need to install latest drivers from ATI's site.
 247 2011-05-11 03:01:41 BlueMatt has joined
 248 2011-05-11 03:02:40 sc8nt4u has joined
 249 2011-05-11 03:02:42 ErrydayimGenerat has joined
 250 2011-05-11 03:03:25 Incitatus has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 251 2011-05-11 03:06:48 caedes has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 252 2011-05-11 03:13:10 sc8nt4u has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 253 2011-05-11 03:18:08 DukeOfURL has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 254 2011-05-11 03:19:20 KBme has joined
 255 2011-05-11 03:19:47 tabsa has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 256 2011-05-11 03:25:43 eao has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 257 2011-05-11 03:26:13 eao has joined
 258 2011-05-11 03:26:40 <gasteve> my sdk is 2.1 with my 5970 and I can't run poclbm with it (something in pyopencl craps out)...I'm wondering whether I should install the latest driver?
 259 2011-05-11 03:26:45 <gasteve> (ATI driver)
 260 2011-05-11 03:27:14 <gasteve> anyone running 5970 with the latest driver and sdk2.1?
 261 2011-05-11 03:27:23 <gasteve> (on Ubuntu)
 262 2011-05-11 03:27:49 <gasteve> Natty is Ubuntu 11.04 right?
 263 2011-05-11 03:28:26 <gasteve> I'm running a rig with 11.04 and dual 6990s
 264 2011-05-11 03:29:57 EvanR has left ()
 265 2011-05-11 03:30:07 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 266 2011-05-11 03:30:08 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":5.99,"low":3.8109,"vol":68041,"buy":4.6492,"sell":4.7199,"last":4.7}}
 267 2011-05-11 03:30:10 <gjs278> dangit
 268 2011-05-11 03:30:17 <Ratt> gasteve: How did you get fgrlx to install properly?
 269 2011-05-11 03:30:20 <gjs278> luke-jr I should have taken that bet
 270 2011-05-11 03:30:29 peck has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 271 2011-05-11 03:30:51 <gasteve> not sure...I just upgraded ati catalyst using the ubuntu tool
 272 2011-05-11 03:31:07 <gasteve> stuff worked, so I didn't question it ;)
 273 2011-05-11 03:31:18 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, which way
 274 2011-05-11 03:31:51 <gjs278> luke-jr was going to be me 30 coins that the price would hit $6 in the next 12 hours
 275 2011-05-11 03:31:57 <gjs278> iII ddnt go for it
 276 2011-05-11 03:32:04 <gjs278> but I look like I may have won
 277 2011-05-11 03:32:10 <gjs278> bet me*
 278 2011-05-11 03:32:13 <gjs278> I didn't go for it*
 279 2011-05-11 03:32:14 gruez has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 280 2011-05-11 03:32:24 gdoteof_home has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 281 2011-05-11 03:32:28 <gjs278> one of my 5970 cores decided to fglrx dump so my X is really fucking laggy
 282 2011-05-11 03:32:35 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, 5.98000
 283 2011-05-11 03:32:40 <gjs278> yeah
 284 2011-05-11 03:32:40 <phantomcircuit> 5.9899
 285 2011-05-11 03:32:41 gdoteof_home has joined
 286 2011-05-11 03:32:41 <phantomcircuit> lulz
 287 2011-05-11 03:32:59 <gjs278> I should have known the sells at 5.99 would hold them off
 288 2011-05-11 03:33:09 <gjs278> oh well
 289 2011-05-11 03:33:32 <gjs278> oh well, time for another great reboot
 290 2011-05-11 03:33:37 <Blitzboom> genjix: awesome episode @ startups
 291 2011-05-11 03:33:55 <gasteve> anyone managed to underclock their card on Ubuntu with that AMDOverdriveCtrl?
 292 2011-05-11 03:33:55 <Blitzboom> thumbs up
 293 2011-05-11 03:34:10 <gasteve> (underclock the mem)
 294 2011-05-11 03:35:08 amiller has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 295 2011-05-11 03:35:30 <gasteve> now, I'm only getting about 670MHash out of each of my 6990 cards
 296 2011-05-11 03:35:38 gjs278 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 297 2011-05-11 03:36:29 <yebyen> ;;bc,calc 600000
 298 2011-05-11 03:36:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 week, 6 days, 1 hour, 1 minute, and 40 seconds
 299 2011-05-11 03:36:30 peck has joined
 300 2011-05-11 03:36:58 gjs278 has joined
 301 2011-05-11 03:37:15 <yebyen> ;;bc,calc 600
 302 2011-05-11 03:37:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 35 years, 38 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 57 minutes, and 59 seconds
 303 2011-05-11 03:37:33 <yebyen> ;;bc,calc 848785
 304 2011-05-11 03:37:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 848785 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 16 minutes, and 37 seconds
 305 2011-05-11 03:37:39 <yebyen> ;;bc,calc 848.785
 306 2011-05-11 03:37:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 848.785 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 25 years, 13 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, 12 minutes, and 49 seconds
 307 2011-05-11 03:37:58 <yebyen> hmm
 308 2011-05-11 03:38:50 <yebyen> ;;bc,calc 240000
 309 2011-05-11 03:38:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 240000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 4 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, 34 minutes, and 11 seconds
 310 2011-05-11 03:39:32 gdoteof_home has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
 311 2011-05-11 03:39:58 gdoteof_home has joined
 312 2011-05-11 03:40:01 amiller has joined
 313 2011-05-11 03:40:48 <yebyen> i think i had better start playing blackjack
 314 2011-05-11 03:41:36 <_ape> does anyone know what i can do to fix poclbm using the same half of a 5970 for each instance?
 315 2011-05-11 03:41:44 <_ape> im telling it to use the other device # but the hashrate cuts in half
 316 2011-05-11 03:41:52 <gjs278> you need to either
 317 2011-05-11 03:41:54 <gjs278> turn off crossfire
 318 2011-05-11 03:41:55 <gjs278> or
 319 2011-05-11 03:41:58 <gjs278> redo aticonfig --initial
 320 2011-05-11 03:42:02 <_ape> hmm
 321 2011-05-11 03:42:15 <_ape> how do you disable crossfire?
 322 2011-05-11 03:42:53 <gjs278> aticonfig has all of that
 323 2011-05-11 03:43:51 fimp has joined
 324 2011-05-11 03:44:01 <yebyen> ;;bc,stats
 325 2011-05-11 03:44:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123215 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1776 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 209440.59584652
 326 2011-05-11 03:44:45 <yebyen> does difficulty go down, if big nodes should leave for a long time?
 327 2011-05-11 03:45:09 <mrb_> yebyen: yes
 328 2011-05-11 03:45:23 sacarlson has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
 329 2011-05-11 03:46:15 gdoteof_home has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 330 2011-05-11 03:48:15 wolfspraul has quit (Quit: leaving)
 331 2011-05-11 03:48:54 sethsethseth has joined
 332 2011-05-11 03:50:16 sethsethseth____ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 333 2011-05-11 03:50:57 <yebyen> fuuu
 334 2011-05-11 03:51:37 <mrb_> ?
 335 2011-05-11 03:52:27 <_ape> so it says the crossfire  chain is disabled when i do aticonfig --lsch, but --lscs says crossfire is enabled
 336 2011-05-11 03:52:31 <_ape> and the same problem persists
 337 2011-05-11 03:52:32 <_ape> =wtf
 338 2011-05-11 03:52:45 <_ape> guess i will try redoing --initial
 339 2011-05-11 03:53:33 <yebyen> i just made $10 in 30 seconds
 340 2011-05-11 03:54:04 <yebyen> wish i could do this at work
 341 2011-05-11 03:54:37 <lfm> go into profesional poker
 342 2011-05-11 03:54:49 d4de has joined
 343 2011-05-11 03:54:57 d4de has quit (Changing host)
 344 2011-05-11 03:54:57 d4de has joined
 345 2011-05-11 03:56:08 <yebyen> yeah think i better
 346 2011-05-11 03:56:24 <lfm> _ape did you remove the crossfire connector?
 347 2011-05-11 03:56:36 <_ape> there is one on the card? haha
 348 2011-05-11 03:56:38 <_ape> didnt even look
 349 2011-05-11 03:57:16 <_ape> also do i need to use a dummy cable on the 2nd port?
 350 2011-05-11 03:58:14 <lfm> not if you run linux
 351 2011-05-11 03:58:24 <_ape> this is a single 5970, what crossfire connector? lol
 352 2011-05-11 03:58:35 <lfm> oh
 353 2011-05-11 03:58:55 <lfm> shouldnt need any dummy connectors either then
 354 2011-05-11 03:59:00 <_ape> well this is perplexing
 355 2011-05-11 03:59:03 <_ape> let me see if crossfire really disabled yet
 356 2011-05-11 03:59:31 <_ape> lscs still says crossfire is enabled
 357 2011-05-11 03:59:31 <_ape> damnit
 358 2011-05-11 03:59:32 sacarlson has joined
 359 2011-05-11 04:00:02 <lfm> ya Im thinking it will always say the chips are connected cuz they are
 360 2011-05-11 04:00:47 <gjs278> well first off
 361 2011-05-11 04:00:54 <_ape> i deleted the crossfire chains
 362 2011-05-11 04:00:56 <_ape> but its still enabled
 363 2011-05-11 04:00:57 <gjs278> X makes it very clear that disabling crossfire doesnt take effect
 364 2011-05-11 04:00:58 <_ape> somehow
 365 2011-05-11 04:00:59 <gjs278> until
 366 2011-05-11 04:01:00 <gjs278> you restart X
 367 2011-05-11 04:01:02 <_ape> i did restart it
 368 2011-05-11 04:01:04 <_ape> 50 times
 369 2011-05-11 04:01:07 <gjs278> rmmod fglrx
 370 2011-05-11 04:01:07 <_ape> it doesnt persist
 371 2011-05-11 04:01:23 <gjs278> kill X, rmmod fglrx, startx
 372 2011-05-11 04:01:30 <_ape> ah thanks
 373 2011-05-11 04:01:31 <_ape> let me try that
 374 2011-05-11 04:01:48 idnar has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 375 2011-05-11 04:01:55 <gjs278> if that doesn't work, kill X, rmmod fglrx, aticonfig --initial, startx
 376 2011-05-11 04:01:59 <_ape> --lscs still says its enabled haha
 377 2011-05-11 04:02:01 <_ape> ok ill try that
 378 2011-05-11 04:02:07 <gjs278> also make sure the genned xorg.conf has two monitors
 379 2011-05-11 04:02:09 <gjs278> and two cards
 380 2011-05-11 04:02:39 <_ape> yeah thats why i was asking about the dummy monitor
 381 2011-05-11 04:02:40 <_ape> cause it doesnt
 382 2011-05-11 04:02:47 <gjs278> you don't need a dummy monitor
 383 2011-05-11 04:02:54 <gjs278> what it will do is extend your X session past your monitor lenght
 384 2011-05-11 04:03:02 <gjs278> and it will just be an empty abyss
 385 2011-05-11 04:03:02 <_ape> i just have to add the 2nd one manually in the conf?
 386 2011-05-11 04:03:09 <gjs278> if it's not there sure
 387 2011-05-11 04:03:20 <_ape> ahh aticonfig --initial -f --adapter=all fixed it
 388 2011-05-11 04:03:22 <_ape> now it has both in there
 389 2011-05-11 04:03:54 <_ape> hope this works :P
 390 2011-05-11 04:03:56 <gjs278> your mouse will probably fly off the side of the screen to the right if you go too far over
 391 2011-05-11 04:04:00 <gjs278> so try to avoid that
 392 2011-05-11 04:04:04 <xelister> yea
 393 2011-05-11 04:04:05 <_ape> yay
 394 2011-05-11 04:04:06 <gjs278> it crashes my X sometimes
 395 2011-05-11 04:04:06 <_ape> works
 396 2011-05-11 04:04:07 <xelister> also whe this happens
 397 2011-05-11 04:04:07 <_ape> thanks a lot :D
 398 2011-05-11 04:04:10 <xelister> THEN IT HANGS THE X
 399 2011-05-11 04:04:12 <xelister> yes.
 400 2011-05-11 04:04:13 <gjs278> yeah
 401 2011-05-11 04:04:16 <gjs278> my mouse flickers
 402 2011-05-11 04:04:16 niekie has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 403 2011-05-11 04:04:18 <gjs278> but X is dead
 404 2011-05-11 04:04:19 <xelister> moving MOUSE cursor can HANG YOUR BOX
 405 2011-05-11 04:04:20 <xelister> thanks ati
 406 2011-05-11 04:05:21 idnar has joined
 407 2011-05-11 04:05:55 ForceDestroyer has joined
 408 2011-05-11 04:07:57 niekie has joined
 409 2011-05-11 04:08:50 <luke-jr> gjs278: so did we make that bet?
 410 2011-05-11 04:09:03 fimp has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
 411 2011-05-11 04:09:38 Kicchiri has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 412 2011-05-11 04:10:28 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r6a326b549ff2 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/plugin.py: GPG: fix bug in error logging http://tinyurl.com/3pbfybo
 413 2011-05-11 04:11:31 <luke-jr> nanotube: what bug in error logging⁈ :P
 414 2011-05-11 04:18:52 <nanotube> luke-jr: you want to know the details of the bug?
 415 2011-05-11 04:19:32 <nanotube> luke-jr: the bug was in my gpg bot plugin, not in bitcoin
 416 2011-05-11 04:19:48 gdoteof_home has joined
 417 2011-05-11 04:20:27 <luke-jr> yeah, I know that :P
 418 2011-05-11 04:23:34 AntiVigilante has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 419 2011-05-11 04:24:07 AntiVigilante has joined
 420 2011-05-11 04:24:42 Diablo-D3 has joined
 421 2011-05-11 04:26:07 <gjs278> no we didn't, it would be unfair to make it now
 422 2011-05-11 04:26:30 <gjs278> oh wow
 423 2011-05-11 04:26:35 <gjs278> it actually did go above 6
 424 2011-05-11 04:26:43 <nanotube> ;;bc,mtgox
 425 2011-05-11 04:26:43 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4,"vol":72940,"buy":5.5,"sell":5.58,"last":5.5799}}
 426 2011-05-11 04:26:45 <nanotube> yep
 427 2011-05-11 04:27:08 gavinandresen has quit (Quit: gavinandresen)
 428 2011-05-11 04:27:25 <gjs278> I can't see who is possibly buying these right now
 429 2011-05-11 04:28:29 <jgarzik> gjs278: yeah... chewed completely through all support at 6.00
 430 2011-05-11 04:28:35 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mgtox
 431 2011-05-11 04:28:35 <gribble> Error: "bc,mgtox" is not a valid command.
 432 2011-05-11 04:28:38 <Diablo-D3> fuck you
 433 2011-05-11 04:28:40 <gjs278> yeah
 434 2011-05-11 04:28:41 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
 435 2011-05-11 04:28:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4,"vol":72955,"buy":5.22,"sell":5.3999,"last":5.3}}
 436 2011-05-11 04:28:42 <gjs278> fuck you robot
 437 2011-05-11 04:28:45 <gjs278> you know what he meant
 438 2011-05-11 04:32:52 Teslah has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 439 2011-05-11 04:33:12 Teslah has joined
 440 2011-05-11 04:33:56 <Blitzboom> new resistance is 8$
 441 2011-05-11 04:34:00 ezl has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 442 2011-05-11 04:34:06 <Blitzboom> judging from the orderbook
 443 2011-05-11 04:34:33 <doublec> I sent coins to someone and they're not showing in their client as unconfirmed
 444 2011-05-11 04:34:46 <doublec> and I can't see the transaction on bitcoincharts.com
 445 2011-05-11 04:34:54 <doublec> any ideas why that might be?
 446 2011-05-11 04:35:21 <doublec> or how I could track down what's going on?
 447 2011-05-11 04:35:24 <Blitzboom> you mean it’s still unconfirmed?
 448 2011-05-11 04:35:34 <Blitzboom> no clue why it wouldn’t show up on bitcoincharts
 449 2011-05-11 04:35:38 <doublec> yes
 450 2011-05-11 04:35:50 <doublec> if I look in debug.log there are some socket recv errors immediately after the transaction
 451 2011-05-11 04:35:59 <doublec> if there was an error sending, will it retry?
 452 2011-05-11 04:36:36 <Diablo-D3> http://git.gnome.org/browse/frogr/commit/?id=d20b4b7679a64349c09b611b6376f20bfa4fb1d2
 453 2011-05-11 04:36:43 <doublec> this is the txid d9d87d0bdf38a426fe35f91e11b54992a7083357b6334deeefc933fb57520e9d
 454 2011-05-11 04:37:06 <nanotube> doublec: the tx in your client... does it show up as 0/unconf, or 0/offline?
 455 2011-05-11 04:37:37 <doublec> nanotube: I'm running bitcoind - where can I see that? Or should the other party be looking at it?
 456 2011-05-11 04:37:45 <doublec> they don't see the transaction at all
 457 2011-05-11 04:37:50 <gjs278> open actual bitcoin
 458 2011-05-11 04:37:52 <gjs278> look there
 459 2011-05-11 04:37:56 <gjs278> if it says it was sent, just wait
 460 2011-05-11 04:38:01 <gjs278> and it will get there eventually
 461 2011-05-11 04:38:30 <nanotube> doublec: not sure about bitcoind...
 462 2011-05-11 04:39:45 <Cusipzzz> doublec: you don't see it in listtransactions ?
 463 2011-05-11 04:40:00 <doublec> Cusipzzz: yes it's in listtransactions
 464 2011-05-11 04:40:27 <lfm> try: listtransactions [account] [count=10]
 465 2011-05-11 04:40:31 <Cusipzzz> was it small amount/new coins? lots waiting to get in a block
 466 2011-05-11 04:40:35 <lfm> use count=0
 467 2011-05-11 04:41:06 <doublec> I can't see that transactoin using 'gettransaction' on other nodes though
 468 2011-05-11 04:41:19 <Cusipzzz> tx id ?
 469 2011-05-11 04:41:20 <doublec> lfm: it's there if I do that
 470 2011-05-11 04:41:24 <doublec> Cusipzzz: d9d87d0bdf38a426fe35f91e11b54992a7083357b6334deeefc933fb57520e9d
 471 2011-05-11 04:41:55 <Cusipzzz> hmm
 472 2011-05-11 04:42:08 d4de has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 473 2011-05-11 04:42:31 <lfm> it should retransmit then, how many connections you have in getinfo?
 474 2011-05-11 04:42:56 bitcoinTrader_ has joined
 475 2011-05-11 04:43:19 <doublec> lfm: I had 8
 476 2011-05-11 04:43:33 <doublec> lfm: I've since restarted and connected directly to my node on a server with 70 connections
 477 2011-05-11 04:43:38 <lfm> if you still got 8 then just wait 1/2 hour
 478 2011-05-11 04:43:40 Netsniper has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 479 2011-05-11 04:43:54 <doublec> ok, thanks
 480 2011-05-11 04:44:04 <doublec> the other party in the transaction is getting antsy :)
 481 2011-05-11 04:44:42 bitcoinTrader_ has quit (Client Quit)
 482 2011-05-11 04:45:25 developer has joined
 483 2011-05-11 04:45:31 <Cusipzzz> ya, it should re transmit
 484 2011-05-11 04:46:02 <Cusipzzz> i don't see it anywhere
 485 2011-05-11 04:48:43 Netsniper has joined
 486 2011-05-11 04:49:47 tcoppi has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 487 2011-05-11 04:56:10 ErrydayimGenerat has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 488 2011-05-11 04:57:45 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 489 2011-05-11 04:57:46 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4,"vol":73479,"buy":5.4901,"sell":5.75,"last":5.5}}
 490 2011-05-11 04:58:25 pnicholson has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 491 2011-05-11 05:00:42 xelister has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 492 2011-05-11 05:03:09 plutonic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 493 2011-05-11 05:03:23 Cusipzzz has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)
 494 2011-05-11 05:03:30 plutonic has joined
 495 2011-05-11 05:04:16 AAA_awright has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 496 2011-05-11 05:04:46 developer has quit (Quit: Page closed)
 497 2011-05-11 05:12:34 <_ape> does anyone know how to check card temps remotely via ssh? i need to get around the "X needs to be running" thing
 498 2011-05-11 05:13:11 <Ratt> Is X running on the local server?
 499 2011-05-11 05:13:15 <_ape> it should be
 500 2011-05-11 05:13:22 <Ratt> sudo aticonfig --odgt --adapter=all
 501 2011-05-11 05:13:28 <_ape> thats what i used
 502 2011-05-11 05:13:35 <_ape> it doesnt work except from a terminal within X though
 503 2011-05-11 05:13:41 <_ape> i'm trying to do it remotely
 504 2011-05-11 05:13:49 <Ratt> Then either the drivers aren't installed corretly or X isn't running
 505 2011-05-11 05:14:02 <_ape>  2351 root     /usr/local/bin/Xorg -nolisten tcp
 506 2011-05-11 05:14:04 <Ratt> That's the only time I've run into what you're describing, otherwise it should work.
 507 2011-05-11 05:14:09 <_ape> x is definitely running, my miners spawned from .X.d scripts
 508 2011-05-11 05:14:43 <Ratt> Your miners are running on the box?
 509 2011-05-11 05:14:59 <_ape> ah i bet i need to do display=0
 510 2011-05-11 05:15:01 <_ape> let me try that
 511 2011-05-11 05:15:01 <Ratt> Did you export DISPLAY=:0
 512 2011-05-11 05:15:50 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 513 2011-05-11 05:15:50 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4,"vol":73144,"buy":5.49,"sell":5.64,"last":5.49}}
 514 2011-05-11 05:15:52 <_ape> yeah that fixed it
 515 2011-05-11 05:15:53 <_ape> thanks
 516 2011-05-11 05:18:33 AAA_awright has joined
 517 2011-05-11 05:20:33 malfy_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 518 2011-05-11 05:21:45 malfy has joined
 519 2011-05-11 05:22:55 <Diablo-D3> so
 520 2011-05-11 05:22:57 <Diablo-D3> my 5850
 521 2011-05-11 05:23:00 <Diablo-D3> it has arrived.
 522 2011-05-11 05:23:22 * Diablo-D3 plays thus sprach zatharaus
 523 2011-05-11 05:23:27 <gjs278> 2 coins a day
 524 2011-05-11 05:23:36 <gjs278> like $11 now
 525 2011-05-11 05:24:30 * Diablo-D3 beats gjs278 with a giant femeur bone
 526 2011-05-11 05:24:32 devon_hillard has joined
 527 2011-05-11 05:24:58 <gjs278> next time on dragonball z: the 5850 is hashing for a block
 528 2011-05-11 05:25:14 <gjs278> 23 episodes later
 529 2011-05-11 05:25:59 <devon_hillard> the block came, but it was stale?
 530 2011-05-11 05:26:00 <Diablo-D3> at least its not a c2d
 531 2011-05-11 05:26:13 <Diablo-D3> otherwise it'd be over 9000 episodes later
 532 2011-05-11 05:26:34 <gjs278> don't forget to send in the rebate so you can get a timely prepaid visa card or whatever in 8-10 weeks
 533 2011-05-11 05:27:09 <Diablo-D3> yeah yeah
 534 2011-05-11 05:27:18 * Diablo-D3 OPENS TEH BAWKZ
 535 2011-05-11 05:28:25 <Diablo-D3> hey ArtForzZz
 536 2011-05-11 05:28:27 <Diablo-D3> you awake
 537 2011-05-11 05:28:28 <gjs278> I got it to run using the two adapters on a 430w power supply
 538 2011-05-11 05:28:39 <gjs278> and I didn't even connect one of the two adapters with two molex
 539 2011-05-11 05:29:00 <Diablo-D3> well
 540 2011-05-11 05:29:09 <Diablo-D3> its only vamping the pins
 541 2011-05-11 05:29:23 <Diablo-D3> technically you dont have to connect all the grns and 12vs
 542 2011-05-11 05:29:44 <Diablo-D3> as long as the power usage doesnt exceed what the remaining shit is cleared for
 543 2011-05-11 05:29:58 <Diablo-D3> (and technically, the cards probably ignore it anyhow and just balance across all the 12v)
 544 2011-05-11 05:30:02 <jrmithdobbs> good to know. pxelinux does in fact implement rfc 2347/2348/2349
 545 2011-05-11 05:30:32 <jrmithdobbs> hoorah 512MB gzip -9 compressed initramfses
 546 2011-05-11 05:30:36 <jrmithdobbs> haha
 547 2011-05-11 05:30:54 <jrmithdobbs> er, wrong channel
 548 2011-05-11 05:30:57 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: probably supports all the compression formats too
 549 2011-05-11 05:31:08 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: it's uncompressed by the kernel
 550 2011-05-11 05:31:11 <jrmithdobbs> so doesn't matter
 551 2011-05-11 05:31:23 <Diablo-D3> well, uncompressed by the bootloader
 552 2011-05-11 05:31:31 <jrmithdobbs> no, by the kernel
 553 2011-05-11 05:31:35 <Diablo-D3> er?
 554 2011-05-11 05:31:56 <jrmithdobbs> bootloader pulls it into ram kernel takes it from there
 555 2011-05-11 05:32:04 <jrmithdobbs> p sure
 556 2011-05-11 05:32:41 <jrmithdobbs> there is zlib/bzip2 code in the kernel.
 557 2011-05-11 05:33:54 <jrmithdobbs> don't have a box with full kernel tree to confirm atm
 558 2011-05-11 05:33:59 <Diablo-D3> I thought the bootloader uncompressed it on load
 559 2011-05-11 05:34:00 <Diablo-D3> so
 560 2011-05-11 05:34:02 * Diablo-D3 shrugs
 561 2011-05-11 05:34:21 <Diablo-D3> theres even lzma compression available now, btw
 562 2011-05-11 05:34:26 <jrmithdobbs> either way, the cool part is that pxelinux understands how to do >32MB tftp xfers
 563 2011-05-11 05:35:36 <Diablo-D3> heh
 564 2011-05-11 05:35:37 <Diablo-D3> otoh
 565 2011-05-11 05:35:48 <Diablo-D3> I wonder what this box means
 566 2011-05-11 05:37:03 <Diablo-D3> 2oz copper PCB
 567 2011-05-11 05:37:13 <Diablo-D3> because if that says what I think it says
 568 2011-05-11 05:37:15 <jrmithdobbs> it means i can take my hackery out of the initramfs that pulls the image and deploys to tmpfs
 569 2011-05-11 05:37:24 <jrmithdobbs> and just let the bootloader/kernel deploy the image directly, heh
 570 2011-05-11 05:37:26 <Diablo-D3> theres a 2oz copper layer in the PCB
 571 2011-05-11 05:37:29 <Diablo-D3> which is gotta be huge
 572 2011-05-11 05:37:36 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: well yeah thats the point
 573 2011-05-11 05:38:10 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: just never thought of doing it, i remembered hearing about how much cooler initramfs was than initrd and just never actually read the docs until today, lol
 574 2011-05-11 05:38:29 <jrmithdobbs> (5? years later)
 575 2011-05-11 05:38:32 plutonic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 576 2011-05-11 05:38:41 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: heh
 577 2011-05-11 05:38:43 <Diablo-D3> I use initramfs
 578 2011-05-11 05:38:52 plutonic has joined
 579 2011-05-11 05:38:54 <gjs278> I use initramfs
 580 2011-05-11 05:39:06 <Diablo-D3> its a shitload easier with modern automated distros
 581 2011-05-11 05:39:08 <jrmithdobbs> i mean, of course i use initramfs, just never as the full system image before, haha
 582 2011-05-11 05:39:12 <Diablo-D3> but seriously though
 583 2011-05-11 05:39:23 <Diablo-D3> 2oz copper backplane?
 584 2011-05-11 05:39:26 <Diablo-D3> Im not seeing it
 585 2011-05-11 05:39:28 <Diablo-D3> it should be huge
 586 2011-05-11 05:39:32 <gjs278> sell the 2oz of copper
 587 2011-05-11 05:40:04 <jrmithdobbs> 2oz of copper in what?
 588 2011-05-11 05:40:20 <Diablo-D3> the pcb
 589 2011-05-11 05:40:51 <gjs278> holy fucking rage another fucking passworded rar
 590 2011-05-11 05:41:02 <jrmithdobbs> i figured that much, i missed what pcb you're talking about
 591 2011-05-11 05:41:08 <gjs278> the rar contains the rar itself and a file saying click here for password
 592 2011-05-11 05:41:23 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: my new 5850
 593 2011-05-11 05:41:32 <jrmithdobbs> haha no way
 594 2011-05-11 05:41:35 <gjs278> posting under the username teevee and not actually being teevee should be grounds for execution
 595 2011-05-11 05:41:55 <Diablo-D3> its a gigabyte durable series card (== pre OC'ed, copper heatpipes, double fans, extra good VRMs, solid jap caps, etc)
 596 2011-05-11 05:42:03 <gjs278> it owns
 597 2011-05-11 05:42:06 <Diablo-D3> (== msi military class, asus's good shit, etc)
 598 2011-05-11 05:42:06 <jrmithdobbs> 2oz of copper is worth more than a 5850
 599 2011-05-11 05:42:06 <jrmithdobbs> lol
 600 2011-05-11 05:42:43 <jrmithdobbs> fuck mining with those just straight up order and scrap 'em
 601 2011-05-11 05:42:49 ntosme2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 602 2011-05-11 05:42:50 <JFK911> yes
 603 2011-05-11 05:42:55 <jrmithdobbs> (but there's no way there's 2oz of copper)
 604 2011-05-11 05:43:14 wolfspraul has joined
 605 2011-05-11 05:43:17 <JFK911> now you are somewhat on your way to understanding what they mean when they say that, i guess
 606 2011-05-11 05:44:38 ezl has joined
 607 2011-05-11 05:48:56 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
 608 2011-05-11 05:54:16 <Diablo-D3> okay now to insert teh card
 609 2011-05-11 05:54:51 bk128 has joined
 610 2011-05-11 05:54:57 bk128 has quit (Changing host)
 611 2011-05-11 05:54:57 bk128 has joined
 612 2011-05-11 05:55:09 <Diablo-D3> btw, jrmithdobbs
 613 2011-05-11 05:55:13 <Diablo-D3> thats a $180 5850
 614 2011-05-11 05:55:37 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: cu's at 105usd/oz
 615 2011-05-11 05:55:47 <Diablo-D3> ffffff
 616 2011-05-11 05:56:02 <jrmithdobbs> /troll
 617 2011-05-11 05:56:04 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
 618 2011-05-11 05:56:12 <jrmithdobbs> see i can make up numbers too
 619 2011-05-11 05:56:22 <jrmithdobbs> (re: your india rant yesterday ;P)
 620 2011-05-11 05:56:46 <jrmithdobbs> or was that this morning
 621 2011-05-11 05:57:17 BitMark has joined
 622 2011-05-11 05:57:20 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: I didnt make those up though
 623 2011-05-11 05:57:24 <Diablo-D3> that was this morning, btw
 624 2011-05-11 05:57:52 <Diablo-D3> btw
 625 2011-05-11 05:57:53 <Diablo-D3> [01:50:28] <divVerent> Diablo-D3: just so you know... it took me like 10 minutes to find a heap corruption exploit in the nvidia driver
 626 2011-05-11 05:57:54 <Diablo-D3> [01:50:38] <divVerent> just use an identifier longer than 512kB in the glsl shader
 627 2011-05-11 05:58:22 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: aye there's a nice one in compiz that's about to get full disclosured too
 628 2011-05-11 05:58:27 <jrmithdobbs> similar issue
 629 2011-05-11 05:59:03 <jrmithdobbs> gfx code sucks in general as a rule
 630 2011-05-11 05:59:14 <Diablo-D3> I wrote a miner, Im aware of this
 631 2011-05-11 05:59:26 <jrmithdobbs> just pontificating
 632 2011-05-11 05:59:42 <Diablo-D3> lol
 633 2011-05-11 06:00:01 plutonic_ has joined
 634 2011-05-11 06:01:18 <doublec> these are all good reasons to disable webgl
 635 2011-05-11 06:01:33 plutonic has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 636 2011-05-11 06:01:33 plutonic_ is now known as plutonic
 637 2011-05-11 06:01:46 ezl has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
 638 2011-05-11 06:02:52 <Diablo-D3> damnit why the fuck am i humming the doctor who theme
 639 2011-05-11 06:03:40 <jrmithdobbs> i don't know
 640 2011-05-11 06:03:50 <jrmithdobbs> you should be listening to joe pass, like a man
 641 2011-05-11 06:03:52 <jrmithdobbs> like me.
 642 2011-05-11 06:04:00 davidg has joined
 643 2011-05-11 06:04:55 <Diablo-D3> ahaha this is nice
 644 2011-05-11 06:04:58 <Diablo-D3> theres a rubber protector
 645 2011-05-11 06:05:07 <Diablo-D3> over the crossfire plugs
 646 2011-05-11 06:05:10 Marcel has joined
 647 2011-05-11 06:05:35 <jrmithdobbs> buy em off ya so i can stop folding paper over them
 648 2011-05-11 06:05:36 <jrmithdobbs> haha
 649 2011-05-11 06:06:06 <Diablo-D3> well
 650 2011-05-11 06:06:14 <Diablo-D3> my 4850's is not covered at all
 651 2011-05-11 06:06:17 <Diablo-D3> nothing has happened yet
 652 2011-05-11 06:06:35 <jrmithdobbs> oh these are covered because of how they're ghetto mounted
 653 2011-05-11 06:06:46 <Diablo-D3> heh
 654 2011-05-11 06:06:54 <Diablo-D3> it looks like I have two plugs too
 655 2011-05-11 06:07:56 <jrmithdobbs> are both of those power connectors really needed?
 656 2011-05-11 06:08:04 <jrmithdobbs> i mean, the card wont init with out them
 657 2011-05-11 06:08:14 <jrmithdobbs> but that just doesn't seem right while not driving the dvi/displayports
 658 2011-05-11 06:08:33 <Diablo-D3> it wont start without them
 659 2011-05-11 06:09:08 <jrmithdobbs> amd needs to get off their ass and release a tesla destroyer
 660 2011-05-11 06:10:03 <Diablo-D3> er
 661 2011-05-11 06:10:04 <Diablo-D3> they did
 662 2011-05-11 06:10:09 <Diablo-D3> its called the 69xx series
 663 2011-05-11 06:10:56 <jrmithdobbs> no i mean release some ref boards without displayport/dvi at all
 664 2011-05-11 06:11:38 <Diablo-D3> oh
 665 2011-05-11 06:11:41 <Diablo-D3> its stupid
 666 2011-05-11 06:11:49 <Diablo-D3> no one particularly gives a fuck about that
 667 2011-05-11 06:11:59 <Diablo-D3> it raises the price of manufacturing
 668 2011-05-11 06:12:10 <an201> D3: penguin buys lots of them
 669 2011-05-11 06:12:12 <Diablo-D3> theres a reason why all cards use nearly identical setups
 670 2011-05-11 06:12:29 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: would make cable routing easier
 671 2011-05-11 06:12:32 <Diablo-D3> (usually identical to the card/type manufacturer though, although they're all alike)
 672 2011-05-11 06:12:36 <an201> isnt a texla card like $2k?
 673 2011-05-11 06:12:41 <Diablo-D3> an201: yes
 674 2011-05-11 06:12:44 <an201> tesla
 675 2011-05-11 06:12:46 <Diablo-D3> I'd give you my pastebin on the subject
 676 2011-05-11 06:12:47 <jrmithdobbs> an201: ya they're retarded
 677 2011-05-11 06:12:49 <Diablo-D3> but my box is off
 678 2011-05-11 06:12:55 <Diablo-D3> basically, 69xx beats everything nvidia
 679 2011-05-11 06:16:40 <jrmithdobbs> whats up with the 6990, it's slightly less than 2x the performance for more than 2x the cost of the 6970s
 680 2011-05-11 06:16:45 <jrmithdobbs> seems dumb
 681 2011-05-11 06:16:48 DavidSJ has joined
 682 2011-05-11 06:17:01 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, that's how high end everything works
 683 2011-05-11 06:17:20 <phantomcircuit> you think a ferrari is 10x as fast as a corrola ?
 684 2011-05-11 06:18:14 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: erm, its a 5970 made with 6970s.
 685 2011-05-11 06:18:14 <jrmithdobbs> but even say you were using them for playing with children's things, why would you buy a single 6990 over 2x6970s
 686 2011-05-11 06:18:18 <jrmithdobbs> doesn't really make sense
 687 2011-05-11 06:18:25 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: you buy it because it takes up one slot
 688 2011-05-11 06:18:39 <Diablo-D3> and btw, they underclock them for PCI-E spec reasons
 689 2011-05-11 06:18:42 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: aye i get what it is
 690 2011-05-11 06:18:53 <Diablo-D3> 5970s and 6990s both run at full 5870/6970 speeds
 691 2011-05-11 06:19:10 <jrmithdobbs> ah, that's where the slight drop comes from
 692 2011-05-11 06:19:11 <Diablo-D3> they use specially selected, but otherwise normal, 5870/6970 chips
 693 2011-05-11 06:19:12 danbri has joined
 694 2011-05-11 06:19:23 <jrmithdobbs> ya makes sense
 695 2011-05-11 06:19:34 <Diablo-D3> you have a 300 watt limit
 696 2011-05-11 06:19:43 <Diablo-D3> both come very close to crossing it underclocked
 697 2011-05-11 06:20:23 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: can you imagine typing that 10 years ago regarding a pci* expansion card? heh, ie, 300watts being limiting
 698 2011-05-11 06:20:25 <jrmithdobbs> heh
 699 2011-05-11 06:21:03 <Diablo-D3> well
 700 2011-05-11 06:21:06 <Diablo-D3> video cards did it
 701 2011-05-11 06:21:19 <Diablo-D3> I mean, it started with pci/agp cards crossing that, what, 75w barrier?
 702 2011-05-11 06:21:29 <Diablo-D3> so we plugged in a normal 4 pin molex
 703 2011-05-11 06:21:30 <jrmithdobbs> think that's right
 704 2011-05-11 06:21:51 <jrmithdobbs> but that was still only 6-7 years ago other than the lol voodoo5 lol
 705 2011-05-11 06:21:55 <Diablo-D3> now we got fucking double 8 pin (150w each, 4 12v lines, etc)
 706 2011-05-11 06:22:08 <Diablo-D3> infact I think I saw something do 2 8s and a 6
 707 2011-05-11 06:22:11 <Diablo-D3> or maybe 2 6s and an 8
 708 2011-05-11 06:22:19 <Diablo-D3> three plugs of some sort
 709 2011-05-11 06:22:24 <jrmithdobbs> haha jesus
 710 2011-05-11 06:22:27 <Diablo-D3> iand yeah, the voodoo 5, external PS
 711 2011-05-11 06:22:40 <Diablo-D3> which now would be, pretty much, any normal card that needs a 6 pin
 712 2011-05-11 06:23:16 <jrmithdobbs> which is basically anything not integrated
 713 2011-05-11 06:23:46 <jrmithdobbs> it's just crazy the ammount of power gpus use up these days
 714 2011-05-11 06:31:33 larsivi has joined
 715 2011-05-11 06:36:03 <EPiSKiNG> what drivers/opencl platform should I use for a 6990?
 716 2011-05-11 06:36:35 <EPiSKiNG> what would give the best hash rate?
 717 2011-05-11 06:37:09 <_ape> working on a crappy python script to spawn my workers with various settings by ip address
 718 2011-05-11 06:37:11 <_ape> :D
 719 2011-05-11 06:37:21 <_ape> this way i can run all my mining rigs off one pxe image
 720 2011-05-11 06:37:33 pnicholson has joined
 721 2011-05-11 06:37:33 <_ape> w/ different hw
 722 2011-05-11 06:38:54 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: and to answer the debate earlier, kernel def decompresses
 723 2011-05-11 06:39:10 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: cause the vm i'm testing with sits for ~2 minutes decompressing it after handoff
 724 2011-05-11 06:39:13 <jrmithdobbs> lol
 725 2011-05-11 06:39:14 docl has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 726 2011-05-11 06:39:32 <jrmithdobbs> long after the kernel starts booting
 727 2011-05-11 06:40:57 <lfm> vm? yuck!
 728 2011-05-11 06:41:16 <jrmithdobbs> not takin production down to test shit
 729 2011-05-11 06:41:18 <jrmithdobbs> haha
 730 2011-05-11 06:41:36 <lfm> huh?
 731 2011-05-11 06:41:50 <EPiSKiNG> anyone know what drivers are best for Win7 x64 with a 6990?
 732 2011-05-11 06:41:52 <_ape> eligius down for anyone else?
 733 2011-05-11 06:41:57 <EPiSKiNG> or a 5970 for that matter
 734 2011-05-11 06:42:41 <jrmithdobbs> EPiSKiNG: one of the 11.s obviously, there's not many to test
 735 2011-05-11 06:44:49 DD- has joined
 736 2011-05-11 06:45:40 <lfm> are you seriously running mining on a vm?
 737 2011-05-11 06:45:59 <jrmithdobbs> huh
 738 2011-05-11 06:46:20 <jrmithdobbs> no i'm tweaking shit in a vm
 739 2011-05-11 06:46:41 dissipate has joined
 740 2011-05-11 06:48:30 <_ape> http://privatepaste.com/3aaac0eef5
 741 2011-05-11 06:48:33 <_ape> here is what i have so far :D
 742 2011-05-11 06:48:39 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: huh interesting to know
 743 2011-05-11 06:49:34 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: ya it doesnt decompress until right before trying to "mount" it
 744 2011-05-11 06:49:37 <jrmithdobbs> and running init
 745 2011-05-11 06:55:40 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Chris Howie * r46b1607a0245 mining-proxy/htdocs/index.php: Remove unnecessary set of $lpurl http://tinyurl.com/3cfyrze
 746 2011-05-11 06:55:41 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Chris Howie * r753cdb340f9e mining-proxy/htdocs/ (common.inc.php index.php): Fix bug causing PHP warnings to display when failing over, and lower the timeout from 5 to 2 for poclbm http://tinyurl.com/3bdxles
 747 2011-05-11 06:55:55 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Chris Howie * r81b3ce1f9b49 mining-proxy/htdocs/config.inc.php.sample: Add error_reporting() call in the config sample http://tinyurl.com/3uq5lbq
 748 2011-05-11 06:57:06 <Diablo-D3> hr,
 749 2011-05-11 06:57:08 <Diablo-D3> interesting
 750 2011-05-11 06:57:11 <Diablo-D3> theres no heatsinks on the ram
 751 2011-05-11 06:58:34 phantomcircuit has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 752 2011-05-11 06:59:23 an201 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 753 2011-05-11 07:01:23 lfm has quit (Quit: bye)
 754 2011-05-11 07:02:07 <gjs278> I've checked the temps and I can assure you it wont vrm overheat
 755 2011-05-11 07:03:10 davidg has left ()
 756 2011-05-11 07:06:45 vorlov has quit (Quit: vorlov)
 757 2011-05-11 07:08:29 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
 758 2011-05-11 07:09:17 sc8nt4u has joined
 759 2011-05-11 07:19:58 <lupine_85> with svm/vmx, virtualisation doesn't seem to impact *that* much cpu mining performance
 760 2011-05-11 07:22:28 danbri has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 761 2011-05-11 07:22:52 Lachesis has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 762 2011-05-11 07:23:12 Jere has joined
 763 2011-05-11 07:23:42 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 764 2011-05-11 07:23:43 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4.37,"vol":73191,"buy":5.6001,"sell":5.6998,"last":5.7}}
 765 2011-05-11 07:24:08 OVerLoRDI has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 766 2011-05-11 07:24:48 Lachesis has joined
 767 2011-05-11 07:30:03 Lachesis has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 768 2011-05-11 07:31:37 gjs278 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 769 2011-05-11 07:31:59 gjs278 has joined
 770 2011-05-11 07:35:35 sethsethseth has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 771 2011-05-11 07:37:56 <cosurgi> luke-jr: hmm that's a lot of rejects like 5% or such. But that wasn't happening before... I thiunk. Or I didn't pay attention
 772 2011-05-11 07:38:44 DavidSJ has quit (Quit: DavidSJ)
 773 2011-05-11 07:39:37 TREYisRAD has joined
 774 2011-05-11 07:43:23 Silverpike has joined
 775 2011-05-11 07:46:50 zyb has joined
 776 2011-05-11 07:49:45 TREYisRAD has left ()
 777 2011-05-11 07:50:43 mikehawkburn has joined
 778 2011-05-11 07:53:43 x5x is now known as x5x`brb
 779 2011-05-11 07:54:18 jeremias has joined
 780 2011-05-11 07:57:13 larsivi has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 781 2011-05-11 08:00:33 <BlueMatt> wtf, why does the official debian package use libdb4.8?
 782 2011-05-11 08:02:39 Ratt has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 783 2011-05-11 08:02:45 <EPiSKiNG> thinka 1000 watt psu can support a 5970 and a 6990
 784 2011-05-11 08:02:59 <EPiSKiNG> i keep getting BSOD when I start up with both of them
 785 2011-05-11 08:03:06 <EPiSKiNG> 11.4 Drivers
 786 2011-05-11 08:03:47 <mtrlt> what brand psu do you have
 787 2011-05-11 08:03:57 [Noodles] has joined
 788 2011-05-11 08:03:57 [Noodles] has quit (Changing host)
 789 2011-05-11 08:03:57 [Noodles] has joined
 790 2011-05-11 08:04:05 <EPiSKiNG> Corsair
 791 2011-05-11 08:04:12 <EPiSKiNG> 80+ gold
 792 2011-05-11 08:05:25 <EPiSKiNG> anyone?
 793 2011-05-11 08:06:09 larsivi has joined
 794 2011-05-11 08:06:44 TheKid has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 795 2011-05-11 08:07:27 <mtrlt> it should be enough.
 796 2011-05-11 08:10:17 <EPiSKiNG> wonder what the BSOD is...
 797 2011-05-11 08:10:25 <mtrlt> no idea :P
 798 2011-05-11 08:11:00 <Diablo-D3> therew damnit
 799 2011-05-11 08:11:03 <Diablo-D3> after spending an hour
 800 2011-05-11 08:11:04 <Diablo-D3> its in
 801 2011-05-11 08:11:12 <Diablo-D3> because I had to fucking reroute like half my fucking wiring
 802 2011-05-11 08:11:24 <Diablo-D3> and mount one of my drives upsidedown because the card is about a half an inch too long
 803 2011-05-11 08:11:55 <Diablo-D3> now lets see if the fucker powers on correctly
 804 2011-05-11 08:14:07 <Diablo-D3> seems to have booted
 805 2011-05-11 08:14:25 larsivi has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 806 2011-05-11 08:14:44 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: ugh, ya was so pissed on these cases
 807 2011-05-11 08:15:24 <Diablo-D3> jesus I forgot what sort of airflow these fans have
 808 2011-05-11 08:15:26 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: the 2.5" drive cage is the PERFECT length for them
 809 2011-05-11 08:15:31 <jrmithdobbs> too perfect.
 810 2011-05-11 08:15:32 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: well
 811 2011-05-11 08:15:37 <Diablo-D3> Im going to put 2.5" drives in
 812 2011-05-11 08:15:42 <Diablo-D3> next
 813 2011-05-11 08:15:47 <Diablo-D3> because the card fits to the cage
 814 2011-05-11 08:15:48 <jrmithdobbs> the damned power connectors were flush against the fucking case
 815 2011-05-11 08:15:51 <jrmithdobbs> so could not go there
 816 2011-05-11 08:15:52 <Diablo-D3> its the fucking drives that have the proble
 817 2011-05-11 08:15:56 <jrmithdobbs> so i resorted to zip ties
 818 2011-05-11 08:16:00 <jrmithdobbs> works fine
 819 2011-05-11 08:16:08 <jrmithdobbs> but the cable routing is a nightmare
 820 2011-05-11 08:16:34 Jere has quit (Quit: Page closed)
 821 2011-05-11 08:16:45 <Diablo-D3> 43c idle
 822 2011-05-11 08:16:46 <Diablo-D3> lawlz
 823 2011-05-11 08:17:00 <Diablo-D3> lol I love my broken mobo sensor
 824 2011-05-11 08:17:03 <Diablo-D3> 14.5c
 825 2011-05-11 08:17:43 <jrmithdobbs> i haven't even looked at the mb sensors on these
 826 2011-05-11 08:17:54 <jrmithdobbs> because if that i3 oveheats, the cards were toast about 4 hours before that
 827 2011-05-11 08:18:10 <jrmithdobbs> so d/c
 828 2011-05-11 08:18:25 <Diablo-D3> and all my drives are reporting in
 829 2011-05-11 08:18:28 <Diablo-D3> so I think shit works
 830 2011-05-11 08:18:42 <topi`> ;;seen gavinandresen
 831 2011-05-11 08:18:42 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 14 hours, 35 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> kika: http://veritas.maximilianeum.ch/bitcoin/irc/logs/
 832 2011-05-11 08:18:58 <topi`> very funny bitcoin discussion on thisweekin.com
 833 2011-05-11 08:20:20 <BlueMatt> Im sorry, but blatant copyright infringement prevents me from watching that show
 834 2011-05-11 08:22:02 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: any progress on uploading that script? ;) (seriously, if you dont want to just say it man)
 835 2011-05-11 08:22:11 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: fair use?
 836 2011-05-11 08:22:32 <MagicalTux> BlueMatt, send me an email, I keep forgetting
 837 2011-05-11 08:22:41 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: not at all, this week in tech has been around a ton longer and they use this week in... is used by them a ton
 838 2011-05-11 08:22:44 <BlueMatt> thats not fair use
 839 2011-05-11 08:22:48 <BlueMatt> twit.tv
 840 2011-05-11 08:23:14 <BlueMatt> its leo laporte's thing
 841 2011-05-11 08:23:26 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: will do
 842 2011-05-11 08:23:46 Aahzmundus has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 843 2011-05-11 08:26:35 <jaromil> moin
 844 2011-05-11 08:26:49 <topi`> moinmoin
 845 2011-05-11 08:26:58 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i'll finish bfast with applepie and coffee and then complete the autotools
 846 2011-05-11 08:27:12 <BlueMatt> jaromil: nice, looking forward to it ;)
 847 2011-05-11 08:27:22 <jaromil> topi`: hey u passing by tonight for dinner with milkymist ?
 848 2011-05-11 08:27:47 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i have a good feeling, but then that might just be the applepie
 849 2011-05-11 08:27:57 <topi`> jaromil: what time? i have some business now
 850 2011-05-11 08:28:06 larsivi has joined
 851 2011-05-11 08:28:06 <jaromil> ~20
 852 2011-05-11 08:28:12 <topi`> that's cool
 853 2011-05-11 08:28:15 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: oh, see, i think stealing from asshole retards is fine
 854 2011-05-11 08:28:17 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: <3
 855 2011-05-11 08:28:24 <topi`> i'll call you for the address :)
 856 2011-05-11 08:28:40 <jaromil> yea. bring booze
 857 2011-05-11 08:28:43 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: since when is laporte an asshole or a retard?
 858 2011-05-11 08:28:46 Teslah has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 859 2011-05-11 08:28:47 Lambdanaut_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 860 2011-05-11 08:28:53 <jaromil> its the pre-dinner to next http://pixxxel.net
 861 2011-05-11 08:28:57 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: that guy just rubs me wrong and always have
 862 2011-05-11 08:28:58 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: its info@mtgox.com right?
 863 2011-05-11 08:29:09 <MagicalTux> BlueMatt, yep, for example
 864 2011-05-11 08:29:26 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: hm, dont know why...I see nothing wrong with him, I tend to enjoy his shows. they are pretty good
 865 2011-05-11 08:29:35 <BlueMatt> though merit is better, but hes also on that network
 866 2011-05-11 08:29:41 <jaromil> lekernel is quite some FPGA ninja
 867 2011-05-11 08:29:47 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: he's boring and repetative and talks too much about shit that just doesn't matter
 868 2011-05-11 08:29:58 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: hence why i think he comes off as a retard
 869 2011-05-11 08:29:58 <BlueMatt> hence why I like merit
 870 2011-05-11 08:30:15 <jrmithdobbs> but i can't stand any of those tech shows
 871 2011-05-11 08:30:22 <jrmithdobbs> if i wanted to work i'd go to work! not watch tv!
 872 2011-05-11 08:30:26 <BlueMatt> and you like this week in startups?
 873 2011-05-11 08:30:30 <jrmithdobbs> no
 874 2011-05-11 08:30:31 Teslah has joined
 875 2011-05-11 08:30:42 <jaromil> i love the daily show
 876 2011-05-11 08:30:47 <BlueMatt> hells yes
 877 2011-05-11 08:30:54 <jaromil> colbert is the best
 878 2011-05-11 08:30:56 <jrmithdobbs> just laporte doesn't get rights to one of the most common phrases in broadcast journalism
 879 2011-05-11 08:31:04 <jrmithdobbs> sorry
 880 2011-05-11 08:31:34 <jaromil> and btw breaking bad is an awesome series
 881 2011-05-11 08:31:54 <jrmithdobbs> i was so sad that dimitri's show turned out to be shit
 882 2011-05-11 08:31:58 <BlueMatt> how is "this week in..." being a podcast title one of the most common phrases in broadcast journalism
 883 2011-05-11 08:32:16 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: because it's been used in various broadcast media for 30+ years?
 884 2011-05-11 08:32:19 <BlueMatt> jaromil: hm, I prefer stewart over colbert, but I suppose they are both hilarious
 885 2011-05-11 08:32:22 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: eg: "this week in sports"
 886 2011-05-11 08:32:36 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: or: "this week in baghdad"
 887 2011-05-11 08:32:44 <BlueMatt> not as a podcast title esp referring to tech.  You do know the definition of copyright right?
 888 2011-05-11 08:32:55 <BlueMatt> it has to infringe in such a way as to cause confusion of the consumer
 889 2011-05-11 08:33:05 <sipa> eh no
 890 2011-05-11 08:33:06 <jaromil> yea stewart reaches points of hilarity colbert doesn't
 891 2011-05-11 08:33:14 <jaromil> but col keeps overall good rythm
 892 2011-05-11 08:33:18 <sipa> that is a tradmark
 893 2011-05-11 08:33:23 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: if they're violating than so is laporte because he does broadcast journalism
 894 2011-05-11 08:33:26 <jaromil> http://i.imgur.com/jgf7Q.jpg
 895 2011-05-11 08:33:28 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, sorry always get them confused
 896 2011-05-11 08:33:29 <jaromil> goodmorning breakfast
 897 2011-05-11 08:33:31 <BlueMatt> clearly this week in sports wont...this week in startups will
 898 2011-05-11 08:33:36 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: anyways, that'd be trademark violation
 899 2011-05-11 08:33:44 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: his fault if he didn't trademark it (he can't)
 900 2011-05-11 08:33:55 <BlueMatt> he can still sue
 901 2011-05-11 08:33:59 <jrmithdobbs> and lose
 902 2011-05-11 08:34:04 <BlueMatt> no, that he would win
 903 2011-05-11 08:34:08 <jrmithdobbs> and look like a bigger irrelevant idiot than he already does
 904 2011-05-11 08:34:11 <jrmithdobbs> no, he wouldn't
 905 2011-05-11 08:34:31 <jrmithdobbs> you can't trademark sentence fragments, they have to be unique
 906 2011-05-11 08:34:34 mosi has joined
 907 2011-05-11 08:34:38 <BlueMatt> If I went and named a computer brand Minisoft, I would get sued out of existence
 908 2011-05-11 08:34:44 <jrmithdobbs> if he would win he would have already done it
 909 2011-05-11 08:34:48 <BlueMatt> same principle it could cause consumer confusion
 910 2011-05-11 08:34:55 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gen 1900000
 911 2011-05-11 08:35:00 <jrmithdobbs> because i assure he's talked to his lawyers about it
 912 2011-05-11 08:35:08 <jrmithdobbs> and they told him basically what I just said
 913 2011-05-11 08:35:11 <BlueMatt> and yet apple has a trademark on "app store"
 914 2011-05-11 08:35:26 <BlueMatt> yes you can, m$ has a trademark on "windows"
 915 2011-05-11 08:35:33 ArtForzZz is now known as ArtForz
 916 2011-05-11 08:35:38 <jrmithdobbs> hey, i didn't say the system was perfect
 917 2011-05-11 08:35:42 <BlueMatt> just because its a common word doesnt mean I can go making software with a title identical to the original
 918 2011-05-11 08:35:45 <EPiSKiNG> is gribble working?
 919 2011-05-11 08:35:51 <jrmithdobbs> it has to be a unique use of a common word
 920 2011-05-11 08:35:54 <BlueMatt> it means I can go make a window called windows
 921 2011-05-11 08:35:58 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
 922 2011-05-11 08:36:04 <BlueMatt> ;;ping
 923 2011-05-11 08:36:11 <jrmithdobbs> "this week in" is not used uniquely by any stretch of the term
 924 2011-05-11 08:36:14 <gribble> pong
 925 2011-05-11 08:36:18 <sipa> ;;botsnack
 926 2011-05-11 08:36:19 * EPiSKiNG nudges gribble
 927 2011-05-11 08:36:20 <gribble> Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)
 928 2011-05-11 08:36:25 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gen 1900000
 929 2011-05-11 08:36:32 <_ape> bot seems braindead
 930 2011-05-11 08:36:39 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: doesnt matter, it can cause consumer confusion
 931 2011-05-11 08:36:46 <BlueMatt> you could easily convince a jury of that
 932 2011-05-11 08:36:50 <BlueMatt> brand-stealing
 933 2011-05-11 08:36:51 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: but he didn't trade mark it
 934 2011-05-11 08:36:58 <jrmithdobbs> for there to be violation there must be a trademark
 935 2011-05-11 08:37:02 <jrmithdobbs> so he has no grounds
 936 2011-05-11 08:37:16 <BlueMatt> doesnt matter, you can trademark it now and sue, its obvious that they are attempting to steal the brand
 937 2011-05-11 08:37:25 <BlueMatt> whether you like it or not, they get a ton of view so...
 938 2011-05-11 08:37:31 <jrmithdobbs> if he had trademarked and it had made it through the process without getting rejected (probably would not have) he could sue
 939 2011-05-11 08:37:44 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: now if he trademarks it all they have to do is show they were using it before he trademarked it
 940 2011-05-11 08:38:09 mosi has quit (work!~mos@80.89.82.252|Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 941 2011-05-11 08:38:17 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: there's clear case law showing this.
 942 2011-05-11 08:38:26 <jrmithdobbs> not a grey area at all
 943 2011-05-11 08:38:31 mosi has joined
 944 2011-05-11 08:38:49 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: we have an LG that's based out of texas (forget what they make) for instance
 945 2011-05-11 08:39:09 <BlueMatt> yes, but the point is they make something different and hence you cant sue
 946 2011-05-11 08:39:22 <jrmithdobbs> no it's electronics related
 947 2011-05-11 08:39:25 <jrmithdobbs> i know that much
 948 2011-05-11 08:39:30 <BlueMatt> just like google couldnt sue me if I made a window company called google that made windows called apples
 949 2011-05-11 08:39:34 <jrmithdobbs> they existed before LG changed their name
 950 2011-05-11 08:39:43 <BlueMatt> only if its pretty clearly in the same product space...
 951 2011-05-11 08:39:56 <BlueMatt> or if they had the name first
 952 2011-05-11 08:39:58 <jrmithdobbs> LG is in pretty much every electronics product space
 953 2011-05-11 08:40:02 <BlueMatt> which TWI startups didnt
 954 2011-05-11 08:40:17 <jrmithdobbs> no they just have to have been using the name *before it was trademarked*
 955 2011-05-11 08:40:20 <jrmithdobbs> not "first"
 956 2011-05-11 08:40:32 danbri has joined
 957 2011-05-11 08:40:44 <BlueMatt> and I would guarantee you laporte has a copyright on this week in tech and this week in law and this week in google which could easily beat the piss out of another this week in podcast in court
 958 2011-05-11 08:40:45 <jrmithdobbs> he may have SOME grounds but he would have to show malicious intent iirc
 959 2011-05-11 08:40:55 <jrmithdobbs> once again, that is not copyrightable
 960 2011-05-11 08:40:59 <BlueMatt> no, he has to show confusion
 961 2011-05-11 08:41:00 <jrmithdobbs> trademarks are different
 962 2011-05-11 08:41:07 <BlueMatt> sorry, trademark wrong term
 963 2011-05-11 08:41:12 <BlueMatt> either way point still valid
 964 2011-05-11 08:41:47 <jrmithdobbs> if he had grounds he already would have, so he obviously doesn't
 965 2011-05-11 08:41:58 <BlueMatt> na, laporte is too lazy
 966 2011-05-11 08:41:58 <jrmithdobbs> pretty straight forward
 967 2011-05-11 08:42:04 <BlueMatt> plus its not like he wants to spend the money to sue
 968 2011-05-11 08:42:09 <jrmithdobbs> his lawyers aren't though
 969 2011-05-11 08:42:09 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,estimate
 970 2011-05-11 08:42:10 <BlueMatt> he doesnt have the lawyers
 971 2011-05-11 08:42:32 <BlueMatt> doesnt mean its not blatent trademark infringement on the part of this week in startups
 972 2011-05-11 08:43:26 <Diablo-D3> guh
 973 2011-05-11 08:43:28 <Diablo-D3> so
 974 2011-05-11 08:43:33 <Diablo-D3> the box is back where it belongs
 975 2011-05-11 08:43:36 <Diablo-D3> everything is put away
 976 2011-05-11 08:43:46 <Diablo-D3> my back hurts from leaning over an open computer for an hour
 977 2011-05-11 08:44:10 <Diablo-D3> and my box is clean
 978 2011-05-11 08:44:13 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: once again, you have to have a trademark before it can be violated
 979 2011-05-11 08:44:14 <Diablo-D3> and the fans seem quieter
 980 2011-05-11 08:44:17 Pathin has joined
 981 2011-05-11 08:44:25 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: and I guarantee you he does
 982 2011-05-11 08:44:26 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: however, he doesnt need a trademark to be violated
 983 2011-05-11 08:44:34 <Diablo-D3> dohohohoho
 984 2011-05-11 08:44:44 <BlueMatt> plus you dont have to actually register the trademark for it to be blatant infringement
 985 2011-05-11 08:45:10 <Diablo-D3> lawlz
 986 2011-05-11 08:45:12 <Diablo-D3> the temp
 987 2011-05-11 08:45:14 <Diablo-D3> of my gpu
 988 2011-05-11 08:45:16 <Diablo-D3> is 30c.
 989 2011-05-11 08:45:28 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: can't infringe a non-existant trademark
 990 2011-05-11 08:45:37 <jrmithdobbs> so yes, you do
 991 2011-05-11 08:45:57 <Diablo-D3> no one else finds that funny?
 992 2011-05-11 08:46:01 <BurtyBB> even if it's an unregistered trademark you still have some rights (I guess depending on country)
 993 2011-05-11 08:46:06 <BlueMatt> it is a trademark, not a "registered trademark"
 994 2011-05-11 08:46:42 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: only trademark in the us i see with "this week" in it is "this week" and it's some sunglasses company
 995 2011-05-11 08:46:47 <BlueMatt> and yet again I say, "This week in..." is a registered trademark of laporte and his company
 996 2011-05-11 08:46:48 <jrmithdobbs> his bad for not trademarking it man
 997 2011-05-11 08:47:04 <Diablo-D3> wtf is 30c in f?
 998 2011-05-11 08:47:11 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: show me the application
 999 2011-05-11 08:47:18 <BurtyBB> 86
1000 2011-05-11 08:47:27 <BlueMatt> you do realize that not all the trademark applications are on the internet, in fact very few
1001 2011-05-11 08:47:30 <Diablo-D3> huh, its barely above room temp
1002 2011-05-11 08:47:38 <BlueMatt> there are too many for the patent office to keep up with
1003 2011-05-11 08:47:44 Pathin has quit (Client Quit)
1004 2011-05-11 08:49:01 <BlueMatt> and as a sidenote, you CAN sue in federal court for trademark infringement WITHOUT a registered trademark, simply by having one, which under us law means you use it, not register it
1005 2011-05-11 08:49:11 devrandom has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1006 2011-05-11 08:49:37 <BlueMatt> so even without registering this week in tech (which again, I would bet anything laporte has done) he can sue this week in startups
1007 2011-05-11 08:49:53 <jrmithdobbs> patent office doesn't handle trademark claims
1008 2011-05-11 08:49:59 <jrmithdobbs> but ok
1009 2011-05-11 08:50:15 <BlueMatt> "patent and trademark office"
1010 2011-05-11 08:50:17 <BlueMatt> same place
1011 2011-05-11 08:50:20 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: seriously, it's not trademarkable
1012 2011-05-11 08:50:22 <BlueMatt> so yes, they do
1013 2011-05-11 08:50:26 <jrmithdobbs> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tm.htm
1014 2011-05-11 08:50:33 <jrmithdobbs> trademarks 101
1015 2011-05-11 08:50:59 <BlueMatt> yes I fucking understand trademarks, and under your idea, how does apple have a trademark on "app store" or microsoft one under "windows"
1016 2011-05-11 08:51:11 <BlueMatt> clearly you dont understand the actual applications of the laws
1017 2011-05-11 08:51:15 <BlueMatt> only the letter of them
1018 2011-05-11 08:51:21 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|is jgarzik's pushpool the best pool to use atm?. want to set up one for me and a few friends to use
1019 2011-05-11 08:51:28 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: because it clearly fits the arbitrary trade mark requirements
1020 2011-05-11 08:51:30 <BlueMatt> mosi|work: pretty much
1021 2011-05-11 08:51:35 <doublec> mosi|work: I think it's the only pool
1022 2011-05-11 08:51:46 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|good enough for me :P cheers
1023 2011-05-11 08:52:12 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: windows and apple are actual great examples of trademarks working like they should
1024 2011-05-11 08:52:22 devrandom has joined
1025 2011-05-11 08:53:02 Pathin has joined
1026 2011-05-11 08:53:23 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: and "this week in tech" is not a descriptive trademark?
1027 2011-05-11 08:53:33 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: sure that is
1028 2011-05-11 08:53:37 <BlueMatt> ie consumers associate the "this week in" brand with laporte's company?
1029 2011-05-11 08:53:39 <BlueMatt> hence he can sue
1030 2011-05-11 08:53:40 <jrmithdobbs> but "this week in" by itself is not
1031 2011-05-11 08:53:59 <BlueMatt> that is after all, the whole point of trademark law, is to protect people from having their brand ripped off
1032 2011-05-11 08:54:27 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: thats where I disagree, if it was just "this week in tech" sure, but its not. its "this week in tech" "this week in law" "this week in google"
1033 2011-05-11 08:54:31 <BlueMatt> etc, etc, etc
1034 2011-05-11 08:54:39 <BlueMatt> hence "this week in" is a trademark of laporte
1035 2011-05-11 08:55:47 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: i respectfully disagree
1036 2011-05-11 08:55:51 <BlueMatt> fair enough
1037 2011-05-11 08:55:53 <jrmithdobbs> and we'll have to leave it at that it seems
1038 2011-05-11 08:56:08 <BlueMatt> sounds good, I need to be studying for an exam in 3 hours anyway...
1039 2011-05-11 08:56:21 <jrmithdobbs> i need to be fixing run-init
1040 2011-05-11 08:56:29 <jrmithdobbs> to not pivot_root
1041 2011-05-11 08:56:43 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
1042 2011-05-11 08:58:54 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
1043 2011-05-11 08:59:10 MartianW has joined
1044 2011-05-11 08:59:24 MartianW has quit (Client Quit)
1045 2011-05-11 09:03:02 <jrmithdobbs> russian friends have fun with you again MagicalTux ?
1046 2011-05-11 09:03:12 <jeremias> lol
1047 2011-05-11 09:03:28 <jeremias> what is someones problem with mtgox
1048 2011-05-11 09:03:37 <BlueMatt> they want payment to make it stop
1049 2011-05-11 09:03:47 <BlueMatt> its the usual tactic, very common with sites that handle money
1050 2011-05-11 09:04:06 <jrmithdobbs> aye, was just making sure it wasn't just me
1051 2011-05-11 09:04:48 <BlueMatt> and until people stop paying, these kind of attacks will keep hapening
1052 2011-05-11 09:04:52 TheAncientGoat has joined
1053 2011-05-11 09:05:16 <jeremias> yep... i hope there is some technology to prevent those ddos attacks
1054 2011-05-11 09:05:38 <jeremias> but i guess it isn't too cheap
1055 2011-05-11 09:05:41 <jrmithdobbs> jeremias: there is
1056 2011-05-11 09:05:47 <jrmithdobbs> it's fun to implement
1057 2011-05-11 09:06:00 <jrmithdobbs> jeremias: we used one called netzentry at a place i worked
1058 2011-05-11 09:06:20 <Diablo-D3> you know what I dont understand?
1059 2011-05-11 09:06:25 <BlueMatt> mtgox was moved to a host with ddos prevention
1060 2011-05-11 09:06:27 <Diablo-D3> why they suggest you install TWO crossfire cables
1061 2011-05-11 09:06:36 <Diablo-D3> how do you make a 4x rig, eh? ;)
1062 2011-05-11 09:07:03 <jrmithdobbs> basically it's a bunch of traffic flow heuristics it learns over time, and there are very easy, from layer 3, heuristics to see a ddos ramp up, then it would just null route upstream (believe it or not, that's the hardest part because you got to get your providers on board with giving you some way of hooking in)
1063 2011-05-11 09:07:22 <jrmithdobbs> pretty cool stuff
1064 2011-05-11 09:07:35 <jrmithdobbs> esp for "easy" attacks like these
1065 2011-05-11 09:07:46 <jrmithdobbs> easy to detect. not easy to stop.
1066 2011-05-11 09:08:26 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: they don't want to endorse people blowing up their power supplies ;P
1067 2011-05-11 09:08:49 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: because you know some jackass would try it on an urnrated 450w and then demand it be replaced
1068 2011-05-11 09:09:02 <jrmithdobbs> s/urnrated/unrated/
1069 2011-05-11 09:09:10 mikehawkburn has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1070 2011-05-11 09:09:16 sc8nt4u has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1071 2011-05-11 09:09:18 mikehawkburn has joined
1072 2011-05-11 09:09:23 sc8nt4u has joined
1073 2011-05-11 09:09:29 <jeremias> well, i guess it's pretty good business for those criminals
1074 2011-05-11 09:09:32 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: erm
1075 2011-05-11 09:09:36 <Diablo-D3> crossfire cables
1076 2011-05-11 09:09:37 <Diablo-D3> you know
1077 2011-05-11 09:09:42 <jeremias> since the site is losing money all the time ddos is happening
1078 2011-05-11 09:09:45 <Diablo-D3> the little flexable circuit bridges that go on top that do nothing?
1079 2011-05-11 09:09:55 <jeremias> so going for the "easy" solution is pretty intriguing
1080 2011-05-11 09:10:09 <ArtForz> jeremias: man danegeld
1081 2011-05-11 09:10:27 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: ya but endorsing people plug two in keeps em from installing 4 gpus
1082 2011-05-11 09:10:43 <Diablo-D3> but... they're officially supported to support 4
1083 2011-05-11 09:10:57 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: TELL ME
1084 2011-05-11 09:11:00 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125318
1085 2011-05-11 09:11:03 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: HOW LONG IS THIS CARD
1086 2011-05-11 09:11:30 <Diablo-D3> is that a normal length 5850?
1087 2011-05-11 09:11:45 <jrmithdobbs> looks like it
1088 2011-05-11 09:12:10 <jrmithdobbs> only thing different is the second dvi
1089 2011-05-11 09:12:21 <jrmithdobbs> (and fan obviously)
1090 2011-05-11 09:12:32 <Diablo-D3> well wtf.
1091 2011-05-11 09:12:38 <Diablo-D3> my 4850 is abnormally tiny then
1092 2011-05-11 09:12:50 <Diablo-D3> Im glad I didnt buy a longer card
1093 2011-05-11 09:13:47 <ArtForz> hard to find a good image
1094 2011-05-11 09:14:06 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=14-125-318-Z03&SpinSet=14-125-318-RS&ISList=14-125-318-Z01%2c14-125-318-Z02%2c14-125-318-Z03%2c14-125-318-Z04%2c14-125-318-Z05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814125318&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=GIGABYTE%20GV-R585OC-1GD%20Radeon%20HD%205850%20%28Cypress%20Pro%29%201GB%20256-bit%20GDDR5%20PCI%20Express%202.1%20x16%20HDCP%20Ready%20CrossFireX%20Support%20Video%20Card
1095 2011-05-11 09:14:06 <Diablo-D3> %20w%2f%20ATI%20Eyefinity
1096 2011-05-11 09:14:09 <Diablo-D3> ffffffff
1097 2011-05-11 09:14:32 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: says it's 13" if anything it's smaller than some
1098 2011-05-11 09:14:35 <ArtForz> looks a bit longer than a normal 5850
1099 2011-05-11 09:14:46 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=14-125-318-Z03&SpinSet=14-125-318-RS&ISList=14-125-318-Z01%2c14-125-318-Z02%2c14-125-318-Z03%2c14-125-318-Z04%2c14-125-318-Z05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814125318&Depa=0&WaterMark=1
1100 2011-05-11 09:14:54 <Diablo-D3> lol url ahcking
1101 2011-05-11 09:14:57 <jrmithdobbs> eg
1102 2011-05-11 09:14:58 <jrmithdobbs> http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-100282-3SR/dp/B003D0IS3K
1103 2011-05-11 09:15:02 <jrmithdobbs> 14.8"
1104 2011-05-11 09:15:20 <Diablo-D3> thats not even the same card!
1105 2011-05-11 09:15:51 <jrmithdobbs> huh?
1106 2011-05-11 09:15:55 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: btw, 13" is BIGGER THAN A 5970
1107 2011-05-11 09:15:56 <jrmithdobbs> you said 5850 right?
1108 2011-05-11 09:16:09 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: not all 5850 are the same.
1109 2011-05-11 09:16:20 <jrmithdobbs> aye
1110 2011-05-11 09:16:24 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: like, how longer? 5870 longer?
1111 2011-05-11 09:16:26 <jrmithdobbs> just sayin it was shorter than some 5850s
1112 2011-05-11 09:16:28 <ArtForz> looks as long as 5870 pretty much
1113 2011-05-11 09:16:39 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well, I put it in, and it BARELY FITS
1114 2011-05-11 09:16:58 <Diablo-D3> I had to turn one of my HD upsidedown so the cables move
1115 2011-05-11 09:17:01 <ArtForz> cue "that's what she said"
1116 2011-05-11 09:17:57 <jrmithdobbs> haha
1117 2011-05-11 09:18:01 <Diablo-D3> heh
1118 2011-05-11 09:18:09 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: so if I bought a stock 5870, it'd still fit?
1119 2011-05-11 09:18:47 <ArtForz> probably
1120 2011-05-11 09:18:51 <Diablo-D3> man
1121 2011-05-11 09:18:55 <Diablo-D3> Im glad the power comes out the top
1122 2011-05-11 09:18:59 <Diablo-D3> and not the ass end
1123 2011-05-11 09:19:40 <ArtForz> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=14-129-141-Z03&ISList=14-129-141-Z01%2c14-129-141-Z02%2c14-129-141-Z03%2c14-129-141-Z04%2c14-129-141-Z05%2c14-129-141-Z06&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814129141&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=VisionTek%20900297%20Radeon%20HD%205850%20%28Cypress%20Pro%29%201GB%20256-bit%20GDDR5%20PCI%20Express%202.0%20x16%20HDCP%20Ready%20CrossFire%20Supported%20Video%20Card%20w%2fATI%20Eyefinity <- ref 5
1124 2011-05-11 09:19:40 <ArtForz> 850, compare length of card vs. length of PCIe connector on the backside pcb shot to the gigabyte
1125 2011-05-11 09:19:54 <jaromil> BlueMatt, jgarzik, sipa: i'm done with autotools, you can test it already. i'm just updating the documentation now and then rebasing into one commit
1126 2011-05-11 09:20:46 <BlueMatt> jaromil: nice...Ill test it in a couple hours when I get back from my next exam
1127 2011-05-11 09:20:57 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: that's awesome.
1128 2011-05-11 09:21:16 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: interestingly, the connector is the same size in the photos
1129 2011-05-11 09:21:17 dvide has joined
1130 2011-05-11 09:21:25 <BlueMatt> hopefully we can get that merged and we'll have 1/3 things done which are on the list for 0.4.0
1131 2011-05-11 09:21:28 * Diablo-D3 measured with his fingers, lol
1132 2011-05-11 09:21:39 <BlueMatt> (gitian-builder, autotools, wallet encryption)
1133 2011-05-11 09:21:42 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: i think it's just a little longer
1134 2011-05-11 09:21:47 <BlueMatt> possibly also fee change
1135 2011-05-11 09:21:51 <Diablo-D3> its just a TAD longer
1136 2011-05-11 09:21:52 <jaromil> to test do
1137 2011-05-11 09:22:08 <jaromil> git@github.com:jaromil/bitcoin.git; git checkout origin/autotools3; git checkout -b autotools
1138 2011-05-11 09:22:12 <jaromil> ops
1139 2011-05-11 09:22:15 <jaromil> git clone git@github.com:jaromil/bitcoin.git; git checkout origin/autotools3; git checkout -b autotools
1140 2011-05-11 09:22:27 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: yes
1141 2011-05-11 09:22:33 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=14-129-160-Z03&SpinSet=14-129-160-RS&ISList=14-129-160-Z01%2c14-129-160-Z02%2c14-129-160-Z03%2c14-129-160-Z04%2c14-129-160-Z05%2c14-129-160-Z06&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814129160&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=VisionTek%20900322%20Radeon%20HD%205870%202GB%20256-bit%20GDDR5%20PCI%20Express%202.0%20x16%20CrossFireX%20Support%20Eyefinity%206%20Edition%20Video%20Card
1142 2011-05-11 09:22:35 <Diablo-D3> stock 5870
1143 2011-05-11 09:22:38 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: power on top is a nice touch though
1144 2011-05-11 09:22:39 <BlueMatt> git remote add jaromil https://github.com/jaromil/bitcoin.git; git fetch jaromil; git checkout jaromil/autotools
1145 2011-05-11 09:22:41 <jaromil> don't mind last commit messages i'm still completing documentation
1146 2011-05-11 09:22:44 <jaromil> yea
1147 2011-05-11 09:22:48 <BlueMatt> better way ^
1148 2011-05-11 09:22:48 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: makes it workable at least
1149 2011-05-11 09:22:50 sc8nt4u has quit ()
1150 2011-05-11 09:22:52 <jaromil> better yes
1151 2011-05-11 09:22:55 <Diablo-D3> uhh
1152 2011-05-11 09:22:56 <Diablo-D3> jesus
1153 2011-05-11 09:22:59 <Diablo-D3> its as long as a 5870
1154 2011-05-11 09:23:00 <BlueMatt> or isnt it jaromil/autotools3?
1155 2011-05-11 09:23:04 <jaromil> autotools3
1156 2011-05-11 09:23:09 <Diablo-D3> although those fucking stock 5870s have those fucking holes in the back
1157 2011-05-11 09:23:11 mikehawkburn has quit ()
1158 2011-05-11 09:23:14 <Diablo-D3> which would defenetly have fucked me
1159 2011-05-11 09:23:19 <jaromil> the other are previous history in detail
1160 2011-05-11 09:23:26 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: not a fan of the holes in the back :(
1161 2011-05-11 09:23:28 <jaromil> not up to date
1162 2011-05-11 09:23:32 <sipa> BlueMatt: i also hope to get wallet export/import done for 0.4.0 :)
1163 2011-05-11 09:23:40 <BlueMatt> ah, ok didnt know that
1164 2011-05-11 09:23:44 <Diablo-D3> well
1165 2011-05-11 09:23:46 <ArtForz> you mean the batman vents?
1166 2011-05-11 09:23:46 <Diablo-D3> I know now
1167 2011-05-11 09:23:49 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: YES
1168 2011-05-11 09:23:51 <Diablo-D3> THOSE
1169 2011-05-11 09:23:51 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: they've killed my plans to go denser on this case :(
1170 2011-05-11 09:24:07 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: well, you can always swap that out
1171 2011-05-11 09:24:15 <Diablo-D3> and 69xx dont have them
1172 2011-05-11 09:24:17 <ArtForz> yeah, they add a few mm to the card FNAR
1173 2011-05-11 09:24:20 <Diablo-D3> but like
1174 2011-05-11 09:24:22 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: aye
1175 2011-05-11 09:24:24 <Diablo-D3> if I want to get a longer card
1176 2011-05-11 09:24:31 <Diablo-D3> Im going to have to switch to 2.5" drives.
1177 2011-05-11 09:24:37 <Diablo-D3> and thats just the way it is
1178 2011-05-11 09:24:45 <jrmithdobbs> what do you have your box in? a pizza box?
1179 2011-05-11 09:24:51 <Diablo-D3> p180b
1180 2011-05-11 09:24:53 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: your case doesn't have a empty 5.25" bay?
1181 2011-05-11 09:25:05 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: sure
1182 2011-05-11 09:25:06 <ArtForz> internal 3.5" cages are overrated
1183 2011-05-11 09:25:12 <Diablo-D3> but I have two drives
1184 2011-05-11 09:25:23 <Diablo-D3> and I hate 2x 3.5 -> 5.25 mounts
1185 2011-05-11 09:25:44 <jrmithdobbs> mine would fit in the 3.5" cage on this case if i was willing to modify the slot bracket
1186 2011-05-11 09:25:50 <ArtForz> btw, another "I never wanted to know that" .. you can fit a ATX PSU in 3 5.25" bays
1187 2011-05-11 09:25:56 <jrmithdobbs> so that i could face the power connector up
1188 2011-05-11 09:25:59 <jrmithdobbs> but fuck that
1189 2011-05-11 09:26:04 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: no, I knew that one
1190 2011-05-11 09:26:22 <Diablo-D3> but ONLY do it with a modular
1191 2011-05-11 09:26:35 <Diablo-D3> infact, have both modulars
1192 2011-05-11 09:26:36 <Diablo-D3> infact
1193 2011-05-11 09:26:41 <Diablo-D3> dont even bother with a fucking case
1194 2011-05-11 09:26:43 <Diablo-D3> do it art style
1195 2011-05-11 09:26:46 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: 5850s can be pretty safely strapped to fan mounts using zipties
1196 2011-05-11 09:26:53 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: another "never wanted to know"
1197 2011-05-11 09:26:59 <ArtForz> hehehe
1198 2011-05-11 09:27:00 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: oh god what
1199 2011-05-11 09:27:12 <jrmithdobbs> not joking.
1200 2011-05-11 09:27:20 <Diablo-D3> I didnt want to know that
1201 2011-05-11 09:27:37 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: remember how i was saying i'd buy those plastic xfire covers off you so i could stop folding paper?
1202 2011-05-11 09:27:42 <jrmithdobbs> ya that's why
1203 2011-05-11 09:27:49 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
1204 2011-05-11 09:28:03 <Diablo-D3> and they're rubber damnit
1205 2011-05-11 09:28:09 <Diablo-D3> and Ive never seen one before ever
1206 2011-05-11 09:28:36 <eps1> http://www.quora.com/Aaron-Greenspan/In-Fifty-Days-Payments-Innovation-Will-Stop-In-Silicon-Valley
1207 2011-05-11 09:29:22 <ArtForz> ahh, the xfire connector condoms?
1208 2011-05-11 09:29:50 <ArtForz> all my 5970s have em
1209 2011-05-11 09:29:57 <ArtForz> well, most
1210 2011-05-11 09:30:18 dinox has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1211 2011-05-11 09:30:22 <Diablo-D3> my 4850 didnt
1212 2011-05-11 09:30:28 <jrmithdobbs> these 5850s don't
1213 2011-05-11 09:30:39 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: arent 4850 and 5850 supposed to be the same size?
1214 2011-05-11 09:30:45 <ArtForz> well, guess thats another way to shave off $0.05
1215 2011-05-11 09:31:05 <Diablo-D3> this 5850 fucking dwarfs my 4850
1216 2011-05-11 09:31:05 <jrmithdobbs> btw, the conversation that led to using the oragami method was the nerdiest/awesomest thing ever
1217 2011-05-11 09:31:08 <Diablo-D3> infact
1218 2011-05-11 09:31:13 <Diablo-D3> the heatsink looks like mine almost
1219 2011-05-11 09:31:28 <Diablo-D3> I mean, I bet it even weighs almost as much
1220 2011-05-11 09:31:37 <Diablo-D3> the two cards as a whole way about the same
1221 2011-05-11 09:31:38 <Diablo-D3> so ffffff
1222 2011-05-11 09:34:15 icarus has left ()
1223 2011-05-11 09:34:46 <jrmithdobbs> there it is
1224 2011-05-11 09:34:46 <jrmithdobbs> http://pastebin.ca/2056676
1225 2011-05-11 09:35:51 <jrmithdobbs> (not irc, obviously, names have been changed to protect the guilty)
1226 2011-05-11 09:36:52 <ArtForz> yeah
1227 2011-05-11 09:37:01 <jaromil> does anyone knows about the copyright reference to Eric Young cryptsoft.com
1228 2011-05-11 09:37:09 <jaromil> to what part of bitcoin does it refers?
1229 2011-05-11 09:37:17 <ArtForz> my air guide prototypes were all cardboard ;)
1230 2011-05-11 09:37:25 <jaromil> i can't find anything about that. cryptopp is from Wei Day and various authors
1231 2011-05-11 09:37:35 <jaromil> yet that copyright reference is present everywhere
1232 2011-05-11 09:37:51 <BlueMatt> jaromil: IIRC its openssl
1233 2011-05-11 09:37:59 <ArtForz> openssl
1234 2011-05-11 09:37:59 <jaromil> i'm reviewing documentation, but there are so many errors that i'm thinking to leave that for another pull request
1235 2011-05-11 09:38:08 <jaromil> ok but isn't openssl from various authors?
1236 2011-05-11 09:38:13 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: some ssleay code?
1237 2011-05-11 09:38:15 <jaromil> it is stated already openssl
1238 2011-05-11 09:38:22 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: cause that's who wrote ssleay
1239 2011-05-11 09:38:32 <BlueMatt> we dont use ssleay though
1240 2011-05-11 09:38:32 <jaromil> ack
1241 2011-05-11 09:38:37 <jaromil> its not inside
1242 2011-05-11 09:38:50 <jrmithdobbs> bad copyright notice propigation?
1243 2011-05-11 09:38:51 <jrmithdobbs> heh
1244 2011-05-11 09:38:53 <jaromil> i think it is important to correct this part of the documentation
1245 2011-05-11 09:39:01 <jaromil> not just for the copyright
1246 2011-05-11 09:39:04 <jrmithdobbs> maybe something at one point used part of the ssleay code and doesn't?
1247 2011-05-11 09:39:09 <jrmithdobbs> now
1248 2011-05-11 09:39:12 <jaromil> but if a cryptographer that known implementations around reads it
1249 2011-05-11 09:39:24 <jaromil> gets mislead and starts seeing incongruences and thinks is FUD
1250 2011-05-11 09:39:37 <ArtForz> openssl is openssl+ssleay
1251 2011-05-11 09:39:52 <jrmithdobbs> ah then there it is
1252 2011-05-11 09:40:02 <BlueMatt> ah, ok
1253 2011-05-11 09:40:10 <jaromil> so but then is part of openssl
1254 2011-05-11 09:40:23 Ycros has joined
1255 2011-05-11 09:40:24 <jaromil> is there a special license clause with openssl that says it should be mentioned separately?
1256 2011-05-11 09:40:31 dinox has joined
1257 2011-05-11 09:40:32 <BlueMatt> who cares, just leave it in?
1258 2011-05-11 09:40:36 <BlueMatt> easier to be safe than sorry
1259 2011-05-11 09:40:42 <jaromil> yes
1260 2011-05-11 09:40:43 <ArtForz> yep
1261 2011-05-11 09:40:57 <BlueMatt> and who knows maybe eric young wrote some code for satoshi
1262 2011-05-11 09:41:04 <jaromil> actually i was adding ppl
1263 2011-05-11 09:41:10 <jaromil> like Wei Dai is not mentioned
1264 2011-05-11 09:41:17 <jaromil> however i think we should do this in another pull req
1265 2011-05-11 09:41:19 <ArtForz> it's just std CYA when including anything from openssl
1266 2011-05-11 09:41:19 <jrmithdobbs> hoping this extra ~142cfm is going to let me close these fucking things so i can a) stop having to lock the cat up when i leave b) stop having to watch the cat while i'm home c) stop having to yell at the cat and d) colo these bitches ;P
1267 2011-05-11 09:41:21 <jaromil> so i'll dump this
1268 2011-05-11 09:41:30 <jaromil> just keep in mind is needed
1269 2011-05-11 09:41:55 <BlueMatt> not sure which parts of cryptopp we actually use, but I suppose if we static link it all, we need all of them
1270 2011-05-11 09:42:08 <BlueMatt> or do we static link it all?
1271 2011-05-11 09:42:10 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: it's openssl thats causing ssleay license to get pulled in
1272 2011-05-11 09:42:27 <jrmithdobbs> think it's necesary
1273 2011-05-11 09:42:31 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: no re: wei dai and such
1274 2011-05-11 09:42:34 <ArtForz> good old license propagation via headers
1275 2011-05-11 09:43:27 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: huh?
1276 2011-05-11 09:46:52 <ArtForz> we use openssl for ECDSA and some other things, openssl is licensed under openssl+ssleay license and they clearly say that means BOTH apply
1277 2011-05-11 09:47:03 <ArtForz> and ssleay is pretty clear on this
1278 2011-05-11 09:47:04 <ArtForz>  * If this package is used in a product, Eric Young should be given attribution
1279 2011-05-11 09:47:04 <ArtForz>  * as the author of the parts of the library used.
1280 2011-05-11 09:47:04 <ArtForz>  * This can be in the form of a textual message at program startup or
1281 2011-05-11 09:47:04 <ArtForz>  * in documentation (online or textual) provided with the package.
1282 2011-05-11 09:48:19 dishwara has joined
1283 2011-05-11 09:48:24 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: no wei dai is part of the cryptopp license
1284 2011-05-11 09:48:29 <BlueMatt> Im not talking about openssl and such
1285 2011-05-11 09:48:47 <ArtForz> I was talking about why we have a "parts (C) Eric Young" in docs
1286 2011-05-11 09:48:59 <BlueMatt> and I had moved on to wei dei ie crpytopp
1287 2011-05-11 09:49:53 <ArtForz> btw, why are we still using cryptopp?
1288 2011-05-11 09:50:17 <BlueMatt> you want to rewrite bitcoin to not use it? its just simpler to keep using what we already use
1289 2011-05-11 09:50:22 <ArtForz> and lugging half of it around in source
1290 2011-05-11 09:50:54 <ArtForz> iirc only thing we use from cryptopp is sha256 and bytereverse
1291 2011-05-11 09:51:01 <jaromil> gnutls is better off than openssl with license btw
1292 2011-05-11 09:51:28 <jrmithdobbs> gnutls is lgpl right?
1293 2011-05-11 09:51:33 <jaromil> i was wondering about sssleay license since that is present everywhere, even in build documentation
1294 2011-05-11 09:51:48 <sipa> removing cryptopp shouldn't be hard...
1295 2011-05-11 09:51:53 <jaromil> yea lgpl
1296 2011-05-11 09:51:53 <ArtForz> yeah
1297 2011-05-11 09:51:56 <BlueMatt> no, gpl would be incompatible with bitcoin license so we would have to dynamic link it
1298 2011-05-11 09:51:58 <BlueMatt> right?
1299 2011-05-11 09:52:03 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: lgpl isn't
1300 2011-05-11 09:52:10 <ArtForz> gpl != lgpl
1301 2011-05-11 09:52:11 <BlueMatt> oh lgpl sorry
1302 2011-05-11 09:52:12 <jaromil> consider cryptopp is just a distribution of code
1303 2011-05-11 09:52:17 <jaromil> as wei dai states in license
1304 2011-05-11 09:52:24 <jaromil> and each file has an author specified
1305 2011-05-11 09:52:29 <jaromil> since we link it as static lib
1306 2011-05-11 09:52:41 <jaromil> it'd be very easy to just include those files used in code
1307 2011-05-11 09:52:47 <jaromil> yet, again this for another pull req
1308 2011-05-11 09:52:57 <ArtForz> iirc we only pulled in cryptopp to make a faster CPU miner
1309 2011-05-11 09:53:04 <ArtForz> which is kinda pointless now
1310 2011-05-11 09:53:12 <BlueMatt> ouch, yea then it should be killed
1311 2011-05-11 09:53:19 <ArtForz> so might as well revert to using openssl for sha256
1312 2011-05-11 09:53:19 <BlueMatt> care to write it ArtForz ?
1313 2011-05-11 09:53:28 <ArtForz> oh, wait
1314 2011-05-11 09:53:39 <ArtForz> before cryptopp we had our own sha256.cpp
1315 2011-05-11 09:53:42 <BlueMatt> though it would be nice to have block confirms every bit faster we can get
1316 2011-05-11 09:53:52 <jrmithdobbs> ^
1317 2011-05-11 09:53:52 <sipa> can't we just use openssl's sha256?
1318 2011-05-11 09:54:01 <sipa> we need openssl anyway for ec stuff
1319 2011-05-11 09:54:02 <jaromil> i suggest we pull the miner out of bitcoind
1320 2011-05-11 09:54:03 <ArtForz> sipa: yes we can!
1321 2011-05-11 09:54:06 <jaromil> but then i might be wrong
1322 2011-05-11 09:54:14 <jaromil> yet it could be a different package
1323 2011-05-11 09:54:19 <BlueMatt> jaromil: its mostly gone, should be totally gone
1324 2011-05-11 09:54:24 <sipa> jaromil: yes, that'd be my suggestion too
1325 2011-05-11 09:54:26 <ArtForz> I think I even have a path for just that around here... somewhere
1326 2011-05-11 09:54:29 <ArtForz> *patch
1327 2011-05-11 09:54:52 <sipa> ship it as a separate binary, a reference rpc getwork miner
1328 2011-05-11 09:54:59 <jaromil> it would still be good to have an reference implementation of a miner
1329 2011-05-11 09:55:02 <jaromil> like, non optimized
1330 2011-05-11 09:55:17 <sipa> exactly
1331 2011-05-11 09:55:22 <jaromil> ok i'm overlapping your thoughts :)
1332 2011-05-11 09:55:30 <jrmithdobbs> i think bitcoind should be pulled out completely and common functionality shared between the client and bitcoind tossed into a shared lib... personally
1333 2011-05-11 09:55:49 <BlueMatt> yea, please do that...might be work though
1334 2011-05-11 09:55:53 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: also many who share that thought, but it's not exactly trivial
1335 2011-05-11 09:56:06 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: i've thought about it
1336 2011-05-11 09:56:08 <jaromil> there are clients relying on json already
1337 2011-05-11 09:56:23 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: don't have the time atm
1338 2011-05-11 09:56:26 <jaromil> oh you mean a daemon using the client
1339 2011-05-11 09:56:27 <jaromil> yea
1340 2011-05-11 09:56:35 <jaromil> the lib
1341 2011-05-11 09:56:50 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: and i'm still getting familiar with the code
1342 2011-05-11 09:57:01 <sipa> split up main.cpp in miner code, wallet code, common code, node code
1343 2011-05-11 09:57:13 <sipa> would be a first step
1344 2011-05-11 09:57:30 <jrmithdobbs> if bitcoind were separate i would have already made some big net/acl config changes
1345 2011-05-11 09:57:43 <sipa> net/acl?
1346 2011-05-11 09:57:44 <jrmithdobbs> as it stands getting a grasp of whats going on is a bit cumbersome
1347 2011-05-11 09:57:59 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: eg, cidr support and a few other things
1348 2011-05-11 09:58:26 <sipa> i don't see how it doesn't support cidr now?
1349 2011-05-11 09:58:41 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: similar to the dns patches submitted, small annoying-from-a-maintenance-and-configuration standpoint things
1350 2011-05-11 09:58:47 <sipa> ok
1351 2011-05-11 09:58:49 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: i don't know but it doesn't work
1352 2011-05-11 09:58:57 <sipa> explain?
1353 2011-05-11 09:59:05 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: for acls in particular
1354 2011-05-11 09:59:17 <sipa> access control lists?
1355 2011-05-11 09:59:19 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: sec, pulling up an example
1356 2011-05-11 09:59:39 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: specifically the rpcallowip= conf value
1357 2011-05-11 09:59:45 <sipa> oh right
1358 2011-05-11 09:59:51 <sipa> yes, you're right
1359 2011-05-11 09:59:51 <ArtForz> btw, we currently only use cryptopp for ScanHash_CryptoPP for internal miner and getwork
1360 2011-05-11 10:00:06 <sipa> ArtForz: please rip it out :)
1361 2011-05-11 10:00:27 <ArtForz> block verification/... uses sha256.cpp
1362 2011-05-11 10:00:45 <ArtForz> or... maybe not, sec
1363 2011-05-11 10:00:48 <sipa> through the Hash() function i suppose
1364 2011-05-11 10:00:58 <ArtForz> yea
1365 2011-05-11 10:01:00 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: there's several little minor things like that that bug me that i'd have fixed if bitcoind was split out and made to act more like the d implies it should ;P
1366 2011-05-11 10:01:10 <jrmithdobbs> *fixed by now, i mean
1367 2011-05-11 10:01:54 <jaromil> ok autotools is rebased
1368 2011-05-11 10:02:02 * jaromil slaps it on the table
1369 2011-05-11 10:02:04 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: you are my hero.
1370 2011-05-11 10:02:06 <jaromil> that's it.
1371 2011-05-11 10:02:28 guest has joined
1372 2011-05-11 10:02:53 <sipa> including mingw32 support?
1373 2011-05-11 10:02:55 <jaromil> it is basically just about this https://github.com/jaromil/bitcoin/commit/a50984e530f885a39ada90998ee3acc621e66ece
1374 2011-05-11 10:02:58 <jaromil> yep
1375 2011-05-11 10:03:01 <sipa> nice!
1376 2011-05-11 10:03:08 <jaromil> including build docu
1377 2011-05-11 10:03:18 <jaromil> i also updated the osx build docu
1378 2011-05-11 10:03:27 <jaromil> which had the old bitcoin svn repo
1379 2011-05-11 10:04:28 <ArtForz> yep, we use openssl SHA256 for Hash(...)
1380 2011-05-11 10:04:42 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: i'll futz with it on os x later today
1381 2011-05-11 10:04:54 <ArtForz> *still use
1382 2011-05-11 10:04:56 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: make sure bitcoind will build against ports and such
1383 2011-05-11 10:05:03 <jrmithdobbs> i will, i mean
1384 2011-05-11 10:05:05 <jaromil> jrmithdobbs: please do, i tested it already but was a week ago. also if you can test with wxwidget and miniupnp
1385 2011-05-11 10:05:41 <jaromil> i tested with macports indeed
1386 2011-05-11 10:05:46 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: ya i have some specific cases i want to test that made me resort to using makefile.unix when building bitcoind on osx ;P
1387 2011-05-11 10:05:47 <jaromil> and added that to docu
1388 2011-05-11 10:06:02 <jrmithdobbs> (which worked fine, btw)
1389 2011-05-11 10:06:08 <jaromil> its pretty similar indeed
1390 2011-05-11 10:06:17 <jaromil> have a look in configure.ac if you need to add osx specific flags
1391 2011-05-11 10:06:27 <jaromil> its pretty readable the case switch at beginning
1392 2011-05-11 10:06:48 <jrmithdobbs> you test on xcode 3 or 4?
1393 2011-05-11 10:07:31 <jrmithdobbs> i guess i should say dev tools 3 or 4 since xcode.app isn't involved, you know what i mean though
1394 2011-05-11 10:08:16 <jrmithdobbs> just want to widen your test cases if possible ;P
1395 2011-05-11 10:11:27 <jaromil> i don't remember. i borrowed the computer actually since i don't have an apple
1396 2011-05-11 10:11:34 <jaromil> it was osx 10.5 though
1397 2011-05-11 10:11:43 <jaromil> so i guess older
1398 2011-05-11 10:15:35 dishwara has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1399 2011-05-11 10:17:14 <sipa> jaromil: the pull request's last commit doesn't seem to be rebased against upstream master
1400 2011-05-11 10:21:43 <jaromil> you mean its not up to date?
1401 2011-05-11 10:23:14 <jaromil> i just did git pull --rebase origin master and it went smooth
1402 2011-05-11 10:23:15 AAA_awright has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1403 2011-05-11 10:23:20 <jaromil> i guess i should push force that
1404 2011-05-11 10:23:37 <jaromil> done
1405 2011-05-11 10:24:25 jivvz has joined
1406 2011-05-11 10:25:04 <sipa> jaromil: everything's ok now
1407 2011-05-11 10:27:21 tabsa has joined
1408 2011-05-11 10:28:53 d4de has joined
1409 2011-05-11 10:31:21 plutonic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1410 2011-05-11 10:32:05 plutonic_ has joined
1411 2011-05-11 10:32:58 <genjix> thanks Blitzboom
1412 2011-05-11 10:33:23 tabsa has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1413 2011-05-11 10:36:38 plutonic_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
1414 2011-05-11 10:37:02 guest has left ()
1415 2011-05-11 10:39:10 <jaromil> i'd like to hear from you how compilation goes also on vanilla gnu/linux like ubuntu or debian
1416 2011-05-11 10:39:19 <jaromil> mingw flags might break
1417 2011-05-11 10:41:46 <sipa> $ autoreconf -i
1418 2011-05-11 10:41:46 <sipa> Can't exec "libtoolize": No such file or directory at /usr/bin/autoreconf line 196.
1419 2011-05-11 10:42:02 <sipa> right, i don't have libtool
1420 2011-05-11 10:42:18 <Diablo-D3> lets see how fast my 5850 mines
1421 2011-05-11 10:43:01 <Diablo-D3> seems a bit slow
1422 2011-05-11 10:43:04 <Diablo-D3> 108 mhash
1423 2011-05-11 10:43:48 <sipa> jaromil:
1424 2011-05-11 10:43:49 <sipa> $ make -j1
1425 2011-05-11 10:43:55 <sipa>   CXX    ui.o
1426 2011-05-11 10:43:55 <sipa> In file included from ui.cpp:5:
1427 2011-05-11 10:43:55 <sipa> ../headers.h:5: fatal error: auto-config.h: No such file or directory
1428 2011-05-11 10:44:10 <sipa> after autoreconfig -i; configure --enable-gui
1429 2011-05-11 10:44:32 <Diablo-D3> -w 128 = 216
1430 2011-05-11 10:45:19 <Diablo-D3> -w 256 = 268
1431 2011-05-11 10:45:27 <sipa> clock?
1432 2011-05-11 10:45:34 <Diablo-D3> now lets try with -f 1
1433 2011-05-11 10:45:47 <Diablo-D3> sipa: 765
1434 2011-05-11 10:45:58 <Diablo-D3> lol my machine is nuking itself
1435 2011-05-11 10:46:36 <jaromil> sipa: yea.
1436 2011-05-11 10:46:53 <jaromil> i can reproduce that, indeed due to mingw fixes and the infamous -I. thingie
1437 2011-05-11 10:46:58 <jaromil> i will fix it now
1438 2011-05-11 10:47:03 <sipa> thanks :)
1439 2011-05-11 10:47:20 <Diablo-D3> I should probably try tuning -z too
1440 2011-05-11 10:47:29 <Diablo-D3> weird, -w 256 is getting fastest
1441 2011-05-11 10:47:32 <Diablo-D3> I wonder why
1442 2011-05-11 10:48:16 RazielZ has joined
1443 2011-05-11 10:48:20 plutonic has joined
1444 2011-05-11 10:49:56 <sipa> Diablo-D3: the fastest configuration i've found was (on 5970) also with worksize 256
1445 2011-05-11 10:50:23 <JFK911> selling bitcoins on ebay
1446 2011-05-11 10:50:24 <JFK911> 10 btc
1447 2011-05-11 10:50:29 <JFK911> reserve price $1,000 shhhh
1448 2011-05-11 10:50:35 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: violation of ebay eula
1449 2011-05-11 10:50:36 <JFK911> let's see how close it gets ;)
1450 2011-05-11 10:50:48 <JFK911> oh well i have a clean history they can pull it if they want
1451 2011-05-11 10:51:08 <JFK911> i do know they dont charge any fees at all if that happens
1452 2011-05-11 10:51:11 <Diablo-D3> how fast should I be getting with no bfi_int
1453 2011-05-11 10:51:55 theorbtwo has joined
1454 2011-05-11 10:53:26 <molecular> weird, worksize 256 and 128 are 10 and 5 MH/s slower than worksize 64 on my 6970 (maybe because my cpu/board are very slow?)
1455 2011-05-11 10:53:45 <Diablo-D3> molecular: -w 64 is supposed to be fastest
1456 2011-05-11 10:53:54 <sipa> for me, 256 is only fastest with sdk 2.1
1457 2011-05-11 10:54:00 <sipa> and vectors enabled, in poclbm
1458 2011-05-11 10:54:11 * Diablo-D3 tries with loops off
1459 2011-05-11 10:54:31 <molecular> 64 is fastest here, sdk 2.1, vectors
1460 2011-05-11 10:54:37 <molecular> (but: phoenix currenlty)
1461 2011-05-11 11:00:12 AnonX has joined
1462 2011-05-11 11:09:39 bnzdg has joined
1463 2011-05-11 11:14:07 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|hmm, bit stuck on getting pushpoold working
1464 2011-05-11 11:14:29 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|trying to run it with a mysql db. got it all compiled from the 0.4 tarball
1465 2011-05-11 11:14:36 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|i run ./pushpoold and get nothing
1466 2011-05-11 11:17:11 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|ah, now im getting somewhere
1467 2011-05-11 11:17:13 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|ill go play
1468 2011-05-11 11:18:25 Speeder has joined
1469 2011-05-11 11:21:10 grondilu has joined
1470 2011-05-11 11:22:05 <grondilu> trying to compile bitcoind, I get this error:
1471 2011-05-11 11:22:07 <grondilu> /usr/include/db_cxx.h:59:22: fatal error: iostream.h: No such file or directory
1472 2011-05-11 11:22:15 <grondilu> how weird!?
1473 2011-05-11 11:22:29 <nathan7> :O
1474 2011-05-11 11:22:44 <nathan7> You do have the dev libraries installed and all, grondilu?
1475 2011-05-11 11:22:58 <grondilu> I installed build-essential and stuffs
1476 2011-05-11 11:24:31 <grondilu> only libdb4.7++-dev would not install (not in my debian repo)
1477 2011-05-11 11:24:46 <grondilu> but I doubt it is related
1478 2011-05-11 11:25:06 plutonic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1479 2011-05-11 11:25:08 <grondilu> oh hang on, it IS related
1480 2011-05-11 11:25:31 plutonic has joined
1481 2011-05-11 11:25:55 <grondilu> I should ask #debian why I don't have libdb4.7++-dev in my repo, I guess
1482 2011-05-11 11:27:07 agricocb has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1483 2011-05-11 11:27:44 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|anyone got a .sql template for a mysql database for pushpoold ?
1484 2011-05-11 11:29:52 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|compiled it all, it's running but i have no database structure or any idea what it should be
1485 2011-05-11 11:30:03 <jaromil> sipa: fixed and pushed
1486 2011-05-11 11:31:08 <UukGoblin> ;;later tell gavinandresen great work man! that show was awesome!
1487 2011-05-11 11:31:09 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
1488 2011-05-11 11:31:28 <UukGoblin> is Amir Taaki here? :-P
1489 2011-05-11 11:31:36 <molecular> UukGoblin, link to show?
1490 2011-05-11 11:32:09 <tcatm> mosi|work: something like this should work http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WKR8VrMu
1491 2011-05-11 11:33:07 x5x is now known as x5x`brb
1492 2011-05-11 11:33:16 <tcatm> mosi|work: password is not encrypted
1493 2011-05-11 11:33:49 <sipa> UukGoblin: he's known as genjix
1494 2011-05-11 11:34:52 <jaromil> sipa: ehrm, pushed *now*
1495 2011-05-11 11:35:32 eao has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1496 2011-05-11 11:36:11 <grondilu> why can't I find libdb4.7++-dev anywhere?  Damn I don't get it.  It's not the first time I compile bitcoin, though.
1497 2011-05-11 11:36:30 ElectRo` has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1498 2011-05-11 11:36:37 ElectRo` has joined
1499 2011-05-11 11:37:00 * nathan7 taps UukGoblin 
1500 2011-05-11 11:38:27 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|thanks tcatm
1501 2011-05-11 11:39:40 TD has joined
1502 2011-05-11 11:40:27 grondilu has quit (Quit: leaving)
1503 2011-05-11 11:42:03 <UukGoblin> oh, genjix, awesome! thanks a lot, great show!
1504 2011-05-11 11:42:19 <molecular> scans of the forbes-article: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1246/forbes001.jpg, http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1319/forbes002.jpg (thanks to Garrett Burgwardt)
1505 2011-05-11 11:42:55 <UukGoblin> molecular, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNfBgwbqng
1506 2011-05-11 11:42:57 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
1507 2011-05-11 11:43:22 <molecular> UukGoblin, thanks. gavin is famous now ;)
1508 2011-05-11 11:44:52 <UukGoblin> well deserved!
1509 2011-05-11 11:44:54 <genjix> thanks UukGoblin :)
1510 2011-05-11 11:45:03 <genjix> hope i wasn't too radical
1511 2011-05-11 11:45:15 <genjix> (it's in my genetics XD)
1512 2011-05-11 11:45:22 <UukGoblin> you were awesome :)
1513 2011-05-11 11:46:06 DukeOfURL has joined
1514 2011-05-11 11:46:42 <UukGoblin> and mentioned betco.in, so we'll get more players there! great
1515 2011-05-11 11:46:57 * UukGoblin watches the value to rally
1516 2011-05-11 11:47:23 <UukGoblin> continue to rally
1517 2011-05-11 11:47:38 <UukGoblin> just sitting there and watching mtgox trades ffeels great
1518 2011-05-11 11:49:24 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
1519 2011-05-11 11:49:38 * LobsterMan pokes gribble
1520 2011-05-11 11:50:46 agricocb has joined
1521 2011-05-11 11:50:52 eternal1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1522 2011-05-11 11:51:00 duosrx has joined
1523 2011-05-11 11:54:32 acfrazier has joined
1524 2011-05-11 11:54:58 <acfrazier> How would I go about writing a web interface for my pushpool based pool?
1525 2011-05-11 11:56:44 slush has joined
1526 2011-05-11 11:59:17 d4de has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1527 2011-05-11 11:59:45 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,mtgox
1528 2011-05-11 12:01:35 mologie has joined
1529 2011-05-11 12:03:09 larsivi has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1530 2011-05-11 12:06:59 marlowe has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1531 2011-05-11 12:07:50 <molecular> huh? genjix == gavin? or did I misunderstand that?
1532 2011-05-11 12:08:04 <eps1> you misunderstood
1533 2011-05-11 12:08:11 <molecular> ok, thx
1534 2011-05-11 12:08:16 <tcatm> who runs coin-control.appspot.com?
1535 2011-05-11 12:08:17 <eps1> gavin and genjix were on the show together
1536 2011-05-11 12:08:29 <molecular> so genjix == amir?
1537 2011-05-11 12:08:32 <sipa> yes
1538 2011-05-11 12:08:35 <molecular> ah, ok
1539 2011-05-11 12:09:04 <molecular> it's nice to be able to put faces to people here ;)
1540 2011-05-11 12:11:10 plutonic_ has joined
1541 2011-05-11 12:13:06 <Diablo-D3> okay Im geting 277 without bfi_int with vectors
1542 2011-05-11 12:13:19 <Diablo-D3> actually 273
1543 2011-05-11 12:13:33 plutonic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1544 2011-05-11 12:13:34 plutonic_ is now known as plutonic
1545 2011-05-11 12:13:35 <Diablo-D3> and with loops off
1546 2011-05-11 12:17:01 larsivi has joined
1547 2011-05-11 12:17:04 ezl has joined
1548 2011-05-11 12:17:36 zyb has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1549 2011-05-11 12:20:08 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: hey, what was the trick you used to make fglrx handle kernel loops right?
1550 2011-05-11 12:20:27 <Diablo-D3> because I think its trying to unroll it
1551 2011-05-11 12:21:12 <ArtForz> xor counter with base nonce, don't add or or
1552 2011-05-11 12:21:39 <Diablo-D3> well I have
1553 2011-05-11 12:21:44 <Diablo-D3>   for(it = 0; it != LOOPS; it++) {
1554 2011-05-11 12:21:44 <Diablo-D3>     nonce = it ^ loopnonce;
1555 2011-05-11 12:22:07 <ArtForz> should be ok
1556 2011-05-11 12:22:14 <Diablo-D3> I wonder why its so fucking slow
1557 2011-05-11 12:22:36 <Diablo-D3> if I do like 1024 loops, it drops to 100mhash
1558 2011-05-11 12:24:38 <Diablo-D3> infact
1559 2011-05-11 12:24:41 <Diablo-D3> no loops at all
1560 2011-05-11 12:24:43 <Diablo-D3> seems to be fastest
1561 2011-05-11 12:24:49 fridge_ has joined
1562 2011-05-11 12:25:16 fridge has quit (Disconnected by services)
1563 2011-05-11 12:25:29 fridge_ is now known as fridge
1564 2011-05-11 12:26:13 cenuij has joined
1565 2011-05-11 12:26:13 cenuij has quit (Changing host)
1566 2011-05-11 12:26:13 cenuij has joined
1567 2011-05-11 12:27:34 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: hrm, but it only seems to be crapping itself on my new vectors support
1568 2011-05-11 12:36:22 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: loops seems to be slower in all cases =/
1569 2011-05-11 12:36:38 lzsaver has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1570 2011-05-11 12:39:01 bk128 has quit (Quit: bk128)
1571 2011-05-11 12:40:59 danbri has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1572 2011-05-11 12:41:48 yebyen has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1573 2011-05-11 12:45:22 dvide has quit ()
1574 2011-05-11 12:46:29 plutonic has quit (Quit: plutonic)
1575 2011-05-11 12:48:33 bitcoiner has joined
1576 2011-05-11 12:51:31 eternal1 has joined
1577 2011-05-11 12:51:44 <Sedra> im running a vapor-x 5870, standard clocks were 875 core 1250 mem.. ive bumped the clock up to 990 and dropped the mem down to 300... its been running stable for several days and temp is 60c @ 63% fan . Should I be worried about burning out/blowing up my card even though temps are fine?
1578 2011-05-11 12:53:43 <DD-> no?
1579 2011-05-11 12:53:50 <RazielZ> if you didn't change the voltage, it's np
1580 2011-05-11 12:54:08 <RazielZ> and changing the gpu voltage isn't that simple anyway
1581 2011-05-11 12:54:53 marlowe has joined
1582 2011-05-11 12:55:04 dvide has joined
1583 2011-05-11 12:56:21 ezl has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1584 2011-05-11 12:56:38 JMercha has quit (Quit: leaving)
1585 2011-05-11 12:56:48 Incitatus has joined
1586 2011-05-11 12:57:32 WakiMiko has joined
1587 2011-05-11 12:58:41 <Sedra> ok thanks, just got a little worried that was all.. <-- total overclocking virgin :D and no, I didnt mess with voltages
1588 2011-05-11 13:00:19 WakiMiko_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1589 2011-05-11 13:00:29 tcoppi has joined
1590 2011-05-11 13:07:25 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
1591 2011-05-11 13:07:40 <sipa> bot is partially down
1592 2011-05-11 13:08:28 ezl has joined
1593 2011-05-11 13:10:21 ForceDestroyer is now known as Vandroiy
1594 2011-05-11 13:11:14 jeremias_ has joined
1595 2011-05-11 13:12:38 jeremias has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1596 2011-05-11 13:14:19 <acfrazier> alright
1597 2011-05-11 13:14:31 <acfrazier> I started pushpoold with debug output enabled
1598 2011-05-11 13:14:41 <acfrazier> it says it's listening but then dies (I set it to run in foreground)
1599 2011-05-11 13:15:40 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r55f5b57f4025 gentoo/net-p2p/pushpool/ (Manifest pushpool-0.3.ebuild pushpool-0.4.ebuild): net-p2p/pushpool: build DEPEND on app-arch/unzip http://tinyurl.com/5wdcn8t
1600 2011-05-11 13:18:44 marlowe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1601 2011-05-11 13:20:17 <topi`> who is the one who maintains the BTC news in the top corner of http://bitcoinwatch.com ?
1602 2011-05-11 13:20:28 Jere has joined
1603 2011-05-11 13:20:42 <topi`> there's a pretty interesting article that was tweeted by glynmoody (anyone follow him?) which mentions bitcoin:
1604 2011-05-11 13:20:45 <topi`> http://falkvinge.net/2011/05/11/with-the-napster-of-banking-round-the-corner-bring-out-your-popcorn/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Falkvinge-on-Infopolicy+(Falkvinge+on+Infopolicy)&utm_content=Google+Reader
1605 2011-05-11 13:20:53 marlowe has joined
1606 2011-05-11 13:21:02 <topi`> bah, forgot to strip the query out of the url
1607 2011-05-11 13:22:08 bctrader has joined
1608 2011-05-11 13:23:39 bnzdg has quit (Quit: bnzdg)
1609 2011-05-11 13:28:05 bctrader has quit (Quit: Quit)
1610 2011-05-11 13:30:46 <tcoppi> ;;bc,mtgox
1611 2011-05-11 13:33:12 molecular has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1612 2011-05-11 13:33:17 <eps1> interesting article, i agree with her comment that bitcoin itself may not take off in the long term, but something like it inevitably will
1613 2011-05-11 13:33:38 molecular has joined
1614 2011-05-11 13:33:43 <eps1> oh it is a he
1615 2011-05-11 13:35:09 <topi`> it's the head of the swedish Pirate Party :)
1616 2011-05-11 13:35:13 <topi`> he's
1617 2011-05-11 13:35:20 <eps1> yeah
1618 2011-05-11 13:35:22 * jgarzik wakes up
1619 2011-05-11 13:36:20 <eps1> i don't see how bitcoins would make taxes go away
1620 2011-05-11 13:36:21 jwalck has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1621 2011-05-11 13:36:29 <eps1> not that i think that is even desirable
1622 2011-05-11 13:36:37 <eps1> it might make taxes fairer
1623 2011-05-11 13:36:38 docl has joined
1624 2011-05-11 13:36:45 * eps1 is a flat tax evangelist
1625 2011-05-11 13:39:03 <wumpus> so bitcoin is very sophisticated and totally incomprehensible? I agree with most of the article, but not that
1626 2011-05-11 13:39:23 jwalck has joined
1627 2011-05-11 13:39:29 <wumpus> as long as you don't go mining it's simple as shit to use
1628 2011-05-11 13:39:29 jwalck has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1629 2011-05-11 13:39:32 bitcoiner has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830])
1630 2011-05-11 13:39:58 <UukGoblin> wumpus, it's quite hard to understand how much privacy/anonymity it gives, as well as transaction fees
1631 2011-05-11 13:40:12 <UukGoblin> and the whole confirmation business
1632 2011-05-11 13:40:43 <wumpus> oh yes the internal workings are complicated, but that doesn't matter to end users that much, p2p file sharing protocols are also pretty complicated internally 
1633 2011-05-11 13:41:09 <sipa> trusting the system was hard for me, until i understood it :)
1634 2011-05-11 13:41:25 <topi`> eps1: i don't care about flat taxes, but i want taxes on natural resources and especially non-renewable resources
1635 2011-05-11 13:41:33 <topi`> and a co2 tax of course
1636 2011-05-11 13:41:59 <topi`> work should not be taxes, the destruction of the environment should.
1637 2011-05-11 13:42:00 <UukGoblin> topi`, so you propose to drop VAT and income tax?
1638 2011-05-11 13:42:12 <UukGoblin> inte-fucking-resting, I like that
1639 2011-05-11 13:42:23 <topi`> yes, because nobody can fully live without degrading the environment -> there'll be plenty of tax incomes
1640 2011-05-11 13:42:34 <genjix> cool idea
1641 2011-05-11 13:42:39 <topi`> but this is just a theoretical framework
1642 2011-05-11 13:42:57 <topi`> i'm not advanced enough to actually set those kind of tax rates - maybe a very intelligent computer program could
1643 2011-05-11 13:43:04 znGoat has joined
1644 2011-05-11 13:43:12 <genjix> :)
1645 2011-05-11 13:43:30 <wumpus> hehe
1646 2011-05-11 13:43:49 <eps1> topi`: we had this discussion yesterday, who programs the "very intelligent computer"?
1647 2011-05-11 13:44:06 <topi`> and having such taxes would be ethically sound as well, because that way we don't get without punishment from the fact that we're destroying the planet that belongs to our grandkids
1648 2011-05-11 13:44:07 <eps1> it's a HOOMAN, thats who
1649 2011-05-11 13:44:28 <topi`> eps1: I thought you could go and shop for some HAL9000's!
1650 2011-05-11 13:44:29 <wumpus> 1000 monkeys
1651 2011-05-11 13:44:42 <UukGoblin> topi`, it /is/ possible to live without degrading
1652 2011-05-11 13:44:51 <UukGoblin> it's even possible to live fixing the environment
1653 2011-05-11 13:44:53 <topi`> UukGoblin: maybe, but definately not in the cities
1654 2011-05-11 13:45:02 <UukGoblin> plant seeds, water plants, that sort of stuff
1655 2011-05-11 13:45:04 <eps1> topi`: 2 points, would taxes be even distributed?, what if we managed to create a fully renewable soceity?, who pays taxes then?
1656 2011-05-11 13:45:07 <topi`> cities per definition are unsustainable
1657 2011-05-11 13:45:20 <UukGoblin> well yeah cities should have loads of land outside of them to support them
1658 2011-05-11 13:45:36 <topi`> UukGoblin: have you watched 'the zeitgeist'? :)
1659 2011-05-11 13:45:50 <eps1> i don't think cities have to be environmentally destructive
1660 2011-05-11 13:46:01 <topi`> but they mostly are
1661 2011-05-11 13:46:12 <eps1> at the moment yes
1662 2011-05-11 13:46:18 <UukGoblin> topi`, I have
1663 2011-05-11 13:47:31 <eps1> if those vertical farms work then cities could be very environmentally friendly
1664 2011-05-11 13:47:36 <UukGoblin> I'm also not convinced that we need cities
1665 2011-05-11 13:47:49 <UukGoblin> with the era of internet the communication issue is much smaller
1666 2011-05-11 13:48:00 <kakazza> I think 2/3rd of the worlds population lives in cities.
1667 2011-05-11 13:48:01 _4z3rt has joined
1668 2011-05-11 13:48:04 <UukGoblin> and transportation is getting there, too
1669 2011-05-11 13:48:34 <UukGoblin> kakazza, and that's kinda wrong, imho
1670 2011-05-11 13:48:39 <eps1> earth will eventually be one big city
1671 2011-05-11 13:48:41 <UukGoblin> I'm looking to gtfo a city asap
1672 2011-05-11 13:48:48 <UukGoblin> eps1, fuck that
1673 2011-05-11 13:49:02 <UukGoblin> eps1, that can't happen before we find at least 2 other habitable planets
1674 2011-05-11 13:49:31 <eps1> don't worry i am sure there will be wildlife parks and stuff
1675 2011-05-11 13:49:40 <jrmithdobbs> underground
1676 2011-05-11 13:49:44 <jrmithdobbs> where we have room
1677 2011-05-11 13:49:50 <eps1> heh
1678 2011-05-11 13:50:00 <UukGoblin> o³szyns
1679 2011-05-11 13:50:57 gribble has quit (Quit: brb)
1680 2011-05-11 13:51:02 <UukGoblin> WTF^
1681 2011-05-11 13:51:07 <UukGoblin> brb? :-D
1682 2011-05-11 13:52:22 gribble has joined
1683 2011-05-11 13:53:35 glassresistor has joined
1684 2011-05-11 13:55:18 <znGoat> hey all :)
1685 2011-05-11 13:56:10 <Diablo-D3> you know
1686 2011-05-11 13:56:12 <Diablo-D3> this isnt too bad
1687 2011-05-11 13:56:24 <Diablo-D3> 273 mhash without bfi_int
1688 2011-05-11 13:57:28 <topi`> hmm, luke's pool stopped answering my rpc calls
1689 2011-05-11 13:57:45 <acfrazier> hm.
1690 2011-05-11 13:57:49 <acfrazier> I can't seem to get pushpoold working
1691 2011-05-11 13:57:55 <acfrazier> I've got bitcoind running in server mode
1692 2011-05-11 13:58:23 pnicholson has quit (Quit: pnicholson)
1693 2011-05-11 13:59:06 Incitatus has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1694 2011-05-11 14:02:04 wolfspraul has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1695 2011-05-11 14:03:45 <jaromil> BlueMatt: any results on autotools test?
1696 2011-05-11 14:03:52 wolfspraul has joined
1697 2011-05-11 14:04:01 <jaromil> BlueMatt: it is to its final form imho
1698 2011-05-11 14:06:18 gasteve has quit (Quit: gasteve)
1699 2011-05-11 14:08:24 tabsa has joined
1700 2011-05-11 14:12:00 wolfspraul has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1701 2011-05-11 14:12:47 wolfspraul has joined
1702 2011-05-11 14:13:58 <acfrazier> okay, got it working
1703 2011-05-11 14:14:08 <acfrazier> is there a database file that needs to be imported for pushpool?
1704 2011-05-11 14:14:48 ezl has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1705 2011-05-11 14:14:53 <topi`> jaromil: from where can I clone your newest autotools brach?
1706 2011-05-11 14:15:05 <topi`> damn, i hate this hay fever
1707 2011-05-11 14:15:28 <sipa> git pull https://github.com/jaromil/bitcoin.git autotools3
1708 2011-05-11 14:15:46 znGoat has quit ()
1709 2011-05-11 14:16:12 <topi`> sorry for being out of focus ;) i've been writing my NEON miner
1710 2011-05-11 14:17:05 <jaromil> topi`: yea, looks like you need a shower man
1711 2011-05-11 14:17:19 * jaromil looks around a channel full of dirty miners coming and going
1712 2011-05-11 14:17:24 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|acfrazier: someone gave me this when i asked the same question: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WKR8VrMu
1713 2011-05-11 14:17:28 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|passwords are not encrypted
1714 2011-05-11 14:17:42 <topi`> jaromil: true, that :) i just biked 40km
1715 2011-05-11 14:17:52 * jaromil has aristocratically never mined
1716 2011-05-11 14:18:03 <acfrazier> thanks mosi|work
1717 2011-05-11 14:18:22 `2Fast2BCn has quit (Quit: Changing server...)
1718 2011-05-11 14:18:25 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|im struggling with mine though now
1719 2011-05-11 14:18:26 AStove has joined
1720 2011-05-11 14:19:10 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|not sure if bitcoind is actually running right or is pushpool is set up right
1721 2011-05-11 14:21:30 larsivi has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1722 2011-05-11 14:24:40 <acfrazier> upstream RPC error.. that's a new one o nme
1723 2011-05-11 14:25:04 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|try using the other port
1724 2011-05-11 14:25:45 <acfrazier> hm. then it connects and drops
1725 2011-05-11 14:26:22 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|btw, how do you know your bitcoind is actually running? can't get anythign out of mine
1726 2011-05-11 14:26:43 <acfrazier> tail ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
1727 2011-05-11 14:26:49 <acfrazier> but you will get a lot of stuff that way
1728 2011-05-11 14:26:55 <acfrazier> tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
1729 2011-05-11 14:26:57 <acfrazier> I mean
1730 2011-05-11 14:27:14 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|ah yea
1731 2011-05-11 14:28:38 <acfrazier> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=RdFQx2sc
1732 2011-05-11 14:28:43 <acfrazier> when I try the other port.
1733 2011-05-11 14:28:59 <acfrazier> (8336)
1734 2011-05-11 14:29:04 <acfrazier> and it does that until I kill poclbm
1735 2011-05-11 14:30:21 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|connect to port 8337
1736 2011-05-11 14:30:30 <acfrazier> that gives a different error, one sec
1737 2011-05-11 14:30:32 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|with your mine client.
1738 2011-05-11 14:31:16 <acfrazier> I get a 401 error
1739 2011-05-11 14:31:18 <acfrazier> hm.
1740 2011-05-11 14:31:23 <UukGoblin> my mine client is mine
1741 2011-05-11 14:31:35 <UukGoblin> hrm actually it's Diablo-D3's but I tried to make a pun
1742 2011-05-11 14:31:53 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|:)
1743 2011-05-11 14:33:04 <acfrazier> hm yep
1744 2011-05-11 14:33:18 <acfrazier> my username and password are correct in both the bitcoind and server.json config files
1745 2011-05-11 14:34:08 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|and the rpc.url in server.json?
1746 2011-05-11 14:34:21 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|correct port?
1747 2011-05-11 14:34:50 <acfrazier> I'm using the default, if that's incorrect for bitcoind then what should I be using
1748 2011-05-11 14:35:02 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|whatever you set in bitcoin.conf
1749 2011-05-11 14:35:09 <acfrazier> ah, I didn't set a port
1750 2011-05-11 14:35:29 `2Fast2BCn has joined
1751 2011-05-11 14:36:02 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|bitcoin.conf    rpcuser=   rpcpassword=   rpcport=
1752 2011-05-11 14:39:10 mos has joined
1753 2011-05-11 14:42:48 mosi has quit (work!~mos@80.89.82.252|Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1754 2011-05-11 14:43:06 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|so
1755 2011-05-11 14:43:54 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|if all else fails you can always join my pool
1756 2011-05-11 14:44:22 <sipa> which is?
1757 2011-05-11 14:44:29 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|good?
1758 2011-05-11 14:44:38 <sipa> which one is your pool?
1759 2011-05-11 14:45:03 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|just a private thingy to keep track of my solo mining. nothing much.
1760 2011-05-11 14:45:09 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|gbyte.dk
1761 2011-05-11 14:45:11 jeremias_ is now known as jeremias
1762 2011-05-11 14:45:47 BitMark has quit (Quit: BitMark)
1763 2011-05-11 14:45:58 <jgarzik> acfrazier: you set up the password database in sqlite/mysql/postgres?
1764 2011-05-11 14:46:06 <acfrazier> yep.
1765 2011-05-11 14:46:07 <jgarzik> acfrazier: actually populated it with data?
1766 2011-05-11 14:46:11 <acfrazier> yep.
1767 2011-05-11 14:46:16 znGoat has joined
1768 2011-05-11 14:46:35 lfm has joined
1769 2011-05-11 14:46:57 <jgarzik> acfrazier: what error are you seeing?
1770 2011-05-11 14:47:06 <jgarzik> acfrazier: and from what miner?
1771 2011-05-11 14:47:16 <acfrazier> when I connect on port 8337 I get a 401 error, I'm using poclbm
1772 2011-05-11 14:47:30 DukeOfURL has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1773 2011-05-11 14:47:33 <acfrazier> built from the 0.4 tarball
1774 2011-05-11 14:47:38 <jgarzik> acfrazier: it's not sending authorization header
1775 2011-05-11 14:48:10 Lachesis has joined
1776 2011-05-11 14:48:34 <jgarzik> acfrazier: Mining client not sending Authorization header is the only reason why 401 would ever be returned
1777 2011-05-11 14:48:49 <jgarzik> acfrazier: You're not even getting to the point where the password database is checked
1778 2011-05-11 14:49:03 <acfrazier> hm.
1779 2011-05-11 14:49:16 <acfrazier> well, someone gave me a SQL query to populate the database.
1780 2011-05-11 14:49:17 <lfm> not sending user:password?
1781 2011-05-11 14:49:20 <acfrazier> so I did.
1782 2011-05-11 14:49:44 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|jgarzik: btw still cant get your mysql to work, just to let your know there might be a problem there.
1783 2011-05-11 14:49:51 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|i had to make my own sql functions.
1784 2011-05-11 14:50:10 <acfrazier> ah here we go
1785 2011-05-11 14:50:18 <acfrazier> [1305125058.486341] mysql pwdb query failed
1786 2011-05-11 14:50:18 <acfrazier> [1305125058.486405] memcached store(/pushpoold/cred_cache/ser=test) failed: WRITE FAILURE
1787 2011-05-11 14:50:25 bitcoiner has joined
1788 2011-05-11 14:51:12 <jgarzik> kreal|: what error are you seeing?  what does "make my own sql functions" mean?
1789 2011-05-11 14:51:17 <jgarzik> acfrazier: turn on memcached
1790 2011-05-11 14:51:37 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|it fails at step = "execute";
1791 2011-05-11 14:52:04 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|i mean i made my own queries to insert stuff into shares etc.
1792 2011-05-11 14:52:21 <acfrazier> memcached is in fact running.
1793 2011-05-11 14:52:42 <jgarzik> kreal|: sounds like your sql definition is not correct
1794 2011-05-11 14:53:28 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|hmm infact could be that.
1795 2011-05-11 14:53:50 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|what do I know, I just made it work hehe
1796 2011-05-11 14:53:50 <acfrazier> kreal|, did you write that webinterface?
1797 2011-05-11 14:53:59 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|acfrazier: gbyte.dk ?
1798 2011-05-11 14:54:02 <acfrazier> yeah
1799 2011-05-11 14:54:05 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|yes
1800 2011-05-11 14:54:23 <acfrazier> the reason I'm setting up a pool is for me and a few others on a forum
1801 2011-05-11 14:54:40 <acfrazier> but I don't know the slightest thing about json
1802 2011-05-11 14:55:03 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|dont fell bad, i spend 16 hours in a row to make pushpool work.
1803 2011-05-11 14:55:38 <acfrazier> do you have source for that? (that is if you wouldn't mind me using it)
1804 2011-05-11 14:55:59 <luke-jr> acfrazier: just join Eligius -.-
1805 2011-05-11 14:56:08 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|much better if you make it work yourself.
1806 2011-05-11 14:56:27 <acfrazier> luke-jr, that's what I'm currently using
1807 2011-05-11 14:56:41 <acfrazier> but I want my own pool for just us
1808 2011-05-11 14:59:29 danbri has joined
1809 2011-05-11 15:00:55 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|jgarzik: the "shares" table is all varchar right?
1810 2011-05-11 15:01:44 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.84|is there a full .sql template for mysql? when i compiled pushpool0.4 i had to make the pool_worker one myself, not sure what else if any is needed
1811 2011-05-11 15:01:53 slush has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1812 2011-05-11 15:03:13 <acfrazier> that would explain why I'm getting query failures
1813 2011-05-11 15:04:27 mosi has joined
1814 2011-05-11 15:05:15 <acfrazier> jgarzik, is there a .sql template to fully populate the db?
1815 2011-05-11 15:05:35 Dark_Ghost has quit (Quit:  HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.)
1816 2011-05-11 15:06:03 dsg has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1817 2011-05-11 15:06:42 <jaromil> jgarzik: autotools branch ready, plz test and pull when you like
1818 2011-05-11 15:08:09 mos has quit (work!~mos@217.22.80.84|Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1819 2011-05-11 15:09:51 AnonX has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1820 2011-05-11 15:11:13 <topi`> jaromil: who's hosting the dinner today?
1821 2011-05-11 15:11:29 prax has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1822 2011-05-11 15:13:15 danbri has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1823 2011-05-11 15:13:20 <jgarzik> kreal|: that's not how I did it, but I suppose if it works for you...
1824 2011-05-11 15:14:02 <jgarzik> acfrazier: if you want a "just us" pool, xf2.org sells private pools...
1825 2011-05-11 15:14:10 <jgarzik> jaromil: ok
1826 2011-05-11 15:14:17 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|well it doesnt, thats why i had to make my own sql queries :)
1827 2011-05-11 15:14:43 <acfrazier> I've already got my own server and stuff, I just need to get the software working
1828 2011-05-11 15:14:56 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|but its all good.
1829 2011-05-11 15:15:51 <pesco> luke-jr: i saw you're behind eligius. just wondering: is the source open/online somewhere?
1830 2011-05-11 15:16:12 <topi`> and, what lang is eligius written on?
1831 2011-05-11 15:16:19 DD- has quit ()
1832 2011-05-11 15:16:49 prax has joined
1833 2011-05-11 15:18:46 danbri has joined
1834 2011-05-11 15:19:08 lulzplzkthx has quit (Quit: leaving)
1835 2011-05-11 15:19:14 lulzplzkthx has joined
1836 2011-05-11 15:19:33 <acfrazier> pesco, not sure if related, I've been looking for the source myself https://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr
1837 2011-05-11 15:20:20 mos has joined
1838 2011-05-11 15:20:42 sytse has quit (Quit: leaving)
1839 2011-05-11 15:21:09 BitMark has joined
1840 2011-05-11 15:21:09 BitMark has quit (Changing host)
1841 2011-05-11 15:21:09 BitMark has joined
1842 2011-05-11 15:21:19 lulzplzkthx has quit (Client Quit)
1843 2011-05-11 15:21:40 lulzplzkthx has joined
1844 2011-05-11 15:21:42 BitMark has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1845 2011-05-11 15:21:50 BitMark has joined
1846 2011-05-11 15:23:21 <Diablo-D3> hrm
1847 2011-05-11 15:23:28 mosi has quit (work!~mos@217.22.80.84|Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1848 2011-05-11 15:23:30 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if I just accidently fixed the lagomatic on nvidia
1849 2011-05-11 15:23:43 ezl has joined
1850 2011-05-11 15:24:00 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: you did what now?
1851 2011-05-11 15:24:14 <Diablo-D3> well you know how nvidia just shits itself mining?
1852 2011-05-11 15:24:40 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|yes :)
1853 2011-05-11 15:24:41 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
1854 2011-05-11 15:24:54 <topi`> I thought the nvidia disadvantage came from the fact that  they have significantly less cores
1855 2011-05-11 15:25:01 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
1856 2011-05-11 15:25:01 <Diablo-D3> topi`: nope
1857 2011-05-11 15:25:08 <Diablo-D3> since cores is a meaningless concept
1858 2011-05-11 15:25:08 <topi`> also, no integer rotate.
1859 2011-05-11 15:25:11 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
1860 2011-05-11 15:25:16 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
1861 2011-05-11 15:25:24 <Diablo-D3> this is about desktop interactivity, topi`
1862 2011-05-11 15:25:30 <topi`> ah, ok
1863 2011-05-11 15:25:41 <topi`> yeah, I can bring my desktop to a halt with -f 1
1864 2011-05-11 15:26:25 vorlov has joined
1865 2011-05-11 15:26:27 <UukGoblin> nanotube, your everify needs at least a lot of randomness in the message, it makes the users' key vulnerable to plaintext attack!
1866 2011-05-11 15:26:31 <UukGoblin> known-plaintext
1867 2011-05-11 15:27:08 <Diablo-D3> topi`: yeah, but with my new 5850, so can I
1868 2011-05-11 15:29:00 Lachesis has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1869 2011-05-11 15:29:11 TheKid has joined
1870 2011-05-11 15:29:17 <TheKid> Success!
1871 2011-05-11 15:29:32 <TheKid> Anyone familiar with the cryptography used in bitcoin around?
1872 2011-05-11 15:29:47 <UukGoblin> nanotube, I'm afraid you might have compromised people's GPG keys...
1873 2011-05-11 15:30:01 <sipa> TheKid: i think i know most of it
1874 2011-05-11 15:30:01 <Diablo-D3> oh?
1875 2011-05-11 15:30:05 <lfm> TheKid:  whats your question?
1876 2011-05-11 15:30:07 <BlueMatt> TheKid: ask a question/make a statement, dont ask to ask
1877 2011-05-11 15:30:40 <sipa> when asking for experts about something, you ignore people who do not consider themselves experts, but still know the answer :)
1878 2011-05-11 15:31:13 <TheKid> BlueMatt: I suppose ;) I'm looking for review of the article I just wrote regarding the technology I'm describing, as I'm not entirely sure what I'm talking about
1879 2011-05-11 15:31:20 <UukGoblin> sipa, it's usually clear from the answer too
1880 2011-05-11 15:31:35 wolfspraul has quit (Quit: leaving)
1881 2011-05-11 15:31:47 TheAncientGoat has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1882 2011-05-11 15:31:49 mosi has joined
1883 2011-05-11 15:32:04 Yurock has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1884 2011-05-11 15:32:15 <lfm> TheKid: just publish it, you'll be corrected
1885 2011-05-11 15:32:33 <UukGoblin> hmm elgamal might be safe-ish against known plaintext... but still...
1886 2011-05-11 15:32:43 <TheKid> lfm: considering I'm getting paid, I want to make it right the first time ;)
1887 2011-05-11 15:32:47 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: what are you on about?
1888 2011-05-11 15:32:50 <TheKid> I'm willing to pay for corrections, by the way
1889 2011-05-11 15:33:01 <lfm> TheKid: so will you pay the reviewer?
1890 2011-05-11 15:33:01 <BlueMatt> TheKid: just post it on a pastebin and let us have a look
1891 2011-05-11 15:33:09 <lfm> oh!
1892 2011-05-11 15:33:10 <TheKid> lfm: yes
1893 2011-05-11 15:33:13 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, everify sends a public encrypted message to Alice and asks Alice to publicly decrypt its contents
1894 2011-05-11 15:33:18 <TheKid> BlueMatt: alright, just a second
1895 2011-05-11 15:33:27 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, I postulate it makes Alice's key vulnerable to known-plaintext
1896 2011-05-11 15:33:56 <BlueMatt> you mean "[PULL] Sign and verify message with bitcoin address and public key" ?
1897 2011-05-11 15:34:24 <TheKid> http://pastebin.com/n9szdJcx
1898 2011-05-11 15:34:33 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, me? no, I mean authentication to bitcoin-otc
1899 2011-05-11 15:34:45 <BlueMatt> you mean the gpg stuff?
1900 2011-05-11 15:34:45 <UukGoblin> this has nothing to do with bitcoin proper
1901 2011-05-11 15:34:47 <UukGoblin> yes
1902 2011-05-11 15:34:54 <TheKid> it's long, but the part I'm specifically worried about is the first bit about the transaction being sent and verified by other clients
1903 2011-05-11 15:35:34 mos has quit (work!~mos@217.22.80.84|Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1904 2011-05-11 15:35:54 <BlueMatt> jaromil: :) :) :) :) :) (for bitcoind building without miniupnp)
1905 2011-05-11 15:36:01 mos has joined
1906 2011-05-11 15:36:09 <acfrazier> so, does anyone have a proper .sql for pushpool
1907 2011-05-11 15:36:27 <acfrazier> (for mysql)
1908 2011-05-11 15:36:31 <BlueMatt> jaromil: doesnt want to build for me on mingw with gui (it just builds bitcoind and ignores gui)
1909 2011-05-11 15:37:18 DukeOfURL has joined
1910 2011-05-11 15:37:31 <UukGoblin> nanotube, hrm, I'm actually not a security expert, modern algorithms look like they might be not vulnerable
1911 2011-05-11 15:37:48 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: I dont think gpg is...
1912 2011-05-11 15:38:06 <UukGoblin> gpg can use elgamal or dsa, right?
1913 2011-05-11 15:38:32 mosi has quit (work!~mos@217.22.80.84|Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1914 2011-05-11 15:39:04 <sipa> TheKid: just read the first part - it seems you describe it mostly from the perspective of addresses sending coins to other addresses. that's semantically correct, but it's really coins (= unredeemed transaction outputs) that are merged, split, and addressed to someone, if you look at the protocol technicallities
1915 2011-05-11 15:40:13 <BlueMatt> jaromil: also, it is missing dlls once compiled (specifically boost ones)
1916 2011-05-11 15:40:31 <BlueMatt> (which should be static)
1917 2011-05-11 15:40:53 <TheKid> I'm not going for 100% technical, just close enough that it's accurate and understandable
1918 2011-05-11 15:41:00 <UukGoblin> nanotube, actually thinking about it ignore me, I must be wrong. :-]
1919 2011-05-11 15:41:06 <sipa> in that case, i'd say you're quite close :)
1920 2011-05-11 15:41:57 <BlueMatt> TheKid: it looks good, though I just skimmed it (and read the part about sending)
1921 2011-05-11 15:42:01 <sipa> TheKid: it's ECDSA by the way that is used for the 'proof' you are talking about, namely the tx signatures
1922 2011-05-11 15:42:11 mos has quit (work!~mos@217.22.80.84|Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
1923 2011-05-11 15:42:17 jsemar has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1924 2011-05-11 15:42:24 kreal has quit (!~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|Quit: leaving)
1925 2011-05-11 15:42:31 <sipa> though SHA256 is used internally in many places too (also as hash function for the signature)
1926 2011-05-11 15:42:46 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
1927 2011-05-11 15:42:51 kreal has joined
1928 2011-05-11 15:43:01 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
1929 2011-05-11 15:44:26 mosi has joined
1930 2011-05-11 15:44:48 dissipate has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1931 2011-05-11 15:45:08 <TheKid> Anything else? I'm surprised if I did that good a job :P
1932 2011-05-11 15:45:21 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
1933 2011-05-11 15:45:36 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
1934 2011-05-11 15:46:31 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
1935 2011-05-11 15:46:41 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
1936 2011-05-11 15:46:56 <TheKid> note that I'll be adding a section regarding how bitcoins come into circulation with the miners
1937 2011-05-11 15:47:03 <nanotube> UukGoblin: hehe ok. good thing i was afk and only came by to see your last message hehe
1938 2011-05-11 15:47:11 eternal11 has joined
1939 2011-05-11 15:47:17 eternal1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1940 2011-05-11 15:47:25 <UukGoblin> nanotube, yeah, sorry for the fake warning ;-]
1941 2011-05-11 15:47:41 eternal1 has joined
1942 2011-05-11 15:48:01 <nanotube> UukGoblin: np :) hehe. but yea, the whole point about asymmetric key crypto is that knowing text + pubkey, you can't derive the privkey ;)
1943 2011-05-11 15:48:07 <UukGoblin> if what I said was true, you could simply encrypt a message to someone and perform a known-plaintext attack on her key, because you know both the encrypted and decrypted text - which is bullshit ;-]
1944 2011-05-11 15:48:15 <nanotube> righto :)
1945 2011-05-11 15:49:06 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
1946 2011-05-11 15:49:32 _4z3rt has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1947 2011-05-11 15:50:39 mologie has quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)
1948 2011-05-11 15:51:29 <BlueMatt> wait Laszlo runs lfnet???
1949 2011-05-11 15:51:58 eternal11 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1950 2011-05-11 15:52:06 TheKid_ has joined
1951 2011-05-11 15:52:13 <TheKid_> apparently I got disconnected, wooo
1952 2011-05-11 15:53:13 TheKid has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1953 2011-05-11 15:54:23 <UukGoblin> TheKid_, in part 7, it's actually backwards - the miner takes all the transactions and constructs the target sha based on them - if it found the sha first and added the transactions later, that would invalidate the sha and you'd have to start searching again
1954 2011-05-11 15:54:28 <UukGoblin> but it's fairly minor
1955 2011-05-11 15:56:41 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
1956 2011-05-11 15:56:45 TheKid_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
1957 2011-05-11 15:57:12 <sipa> same remark as UukGoblin :)
1958 2011-05-11 15:57:29 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|with my pushpoold, i keep getting this: http://pastebin.com/CjZpNpfw
1959 2011-05-11 15:57:41 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
1960 2011-05-11 15:57:53 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|my client connecting on 8336 connects and drops straight away
1961 2011-05-11 15:58:02 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|8337 makes pushpool hang
1962 2011-05-11 15:58:19 <acfrazier> I think our databases aren't right
1963 2011-05-11 15:58:26 <acfrazier> I wish someone would give a proper mysql .sql
1964 2011-05-11 15:58:31 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
1965 2011-05-11 15:58:35 <lfm> isnt it spozed to hang till it gets a new block (lik e10 minutes)
1966 2011-05-11 15:58:37 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|would be nice :P
1967 2011-05-11 15:58:56 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
1968 2011-05-11 15:58:58 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|doesnt it just take current block?
1969 2011-05-11 15:59:36 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
1970 2011-05-11 16:00:24 <acfrazier> mine gets db errors when I connect on 8337
1971 2011-05-11 16:00:35 <acfrazier> so I'm guessing I need a .sql file
1972 2011-05-11 16:01:11 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|i dont think it's pushpool hanging waiting for a new block, as my miner is saying "problems communicating with bitcoin rpc"
1973 2011-05-11 16:01:21 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|surely it would connect but not do anything
1974 2011-05-11 16:01:37 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|and i have to kill the process with kill -9 <pid> otherwise it just wont die
1975 2011-05-11 16:01:38 TD_ has joined
1976 2011-05-11 16:01:56 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
1977 2011-05-11 16:02:01 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
1978 2011-05-11 16:02:27 docl has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1979 2011-05-11 16:02:44 <acfrazier> http://pastebin.com/y9n9LjvL
1980 2011-05-11 16:02:44 AndChat- has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1981 2011-05-11 16:02:47 <acfrazier> I get this on 8337
1982 2011-05-11 16:02:49 phantomcircuit has joined
1983 2011-05-11 16:02:58 <acfrazier> same as mosi|work on 8336
1984 2011-05-11 16:03:01 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
1985 2011-05-11 16:03:11 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
1986 2011-05-11 16:03:52 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|i get the write failures when memchached isn't running
1987 2011-05-11 16:04:03 <acfrazier> memcached is running for me
1988 2011-05-11 16:04:14 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|when i close memcached i get this: http://pastebin.com/PCcGf7Ci
1989 2011-05-11 16:04:26 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|and my miners start reporting upstream rpc error
1990 2011-05-11 16:04:51 <acfrazier> http://pastebin.com/8a9nQRTG
1991 2011-05-11 16:05:02 <acfrazier> memcached is running, but I still get the upstream rpc error and write failure
1992 2011-05-11 16:07:39 phantomcircuit has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1993 2011-05-11 16:09:30 <mosi> work!~mos@80.89.82.252|so, anyone have any ideas?
1994 2011-05-11 16:16:12 jivvz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1995 2011-05-11 16:16:37 jivvz has joined
1996 2011-05-11 16:22:28 mos has joined
1997 2011-05-11 16:22:31 duosrx has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1998 2011-05-11 16:24:02 Lachesis has joined
1999 2011-05-11 16:26:39 mosi has quit (work!~mos@80.89.82.252|Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2000 2011-05-11 16:26:50 danbri has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2001 2011-05-11 16:27:53 <BlueMatt> if one calls LoadWallet() twice will it kill you?
2002 2011-05-11 16:27:56 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|what is the proper action to compile bitcoind on debian with sslv2 disabled? (boost problem ?)
2003 2011-05-11 16:28:37 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|This looks like the bug I run into: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621402
2004 2011-05-11 16:28:41 sethsethseth has joined
2005 2011-05-11 16:28:59 Mad7Scientist has joined
2006 2011-05-11 16:29:00 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: most of the values are key/value based, and would simply overwrite existing values (== ok), but some are cumulative
2007 2011-05-11 16:29:24 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: alright, thanks Ill see if I can figure out what will get mad
2008 2011-05-11 16:29:53 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: it helps if you explain why you want to do this, so we can talk you out of it :)
2009 2011-05-11 16:30:13 <jgarzik> Marcel|HSD: it's debian bug, not bitcoin
2010 2011-05-11 16:30:27 <sethsethseth> what directory is the wallet.dat file in?
2011 2011-05-11 16:30:27 Netsniper has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2012 2011-05-11 16:30:31 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|i know, no workaround possible?
2013 2011-05-11 16:30:32 <gjs278> .bitcoin
2014 2011-05-11 16:30:46 <BlueMatt> lol, well the idea is, if you didnt enter a password at startup and LoadWallet tries to load an unencrypted key, it much be encrypted, so LoadWallet errors and you go back and enter a password
2015 2011-05-11 16:30:54 <BlueMatt> (to encrypt the keys in ram)
2016 2011-05-11 16:31:07 <BlueMatt> Im too lazy to not encrypt some in ram, and encrypt others
2017 2011-05-11 16:31:22 Lachesis has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018 2011-05-11 16:31:44 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|acfrazier, you got anywhere with your setup yet?
2019 2011-05-11 16:31:47 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: just rip through the db real quick, and scan for ekeys
2020 2011-05-11 16:31:53 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: prior to LoadWallet
2021 2011-05-11 16:31:59 <BlueMatt> meh, also sounds like too much work
2022 2011-05-11 16:32:12 <BlueMatt> (no Im looking for unencrypted keys to encrypt them, instead of ekeys)
2023 2011-05-11 16:32:19 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: "for each key" is trivial in db4
2024 2011-05-11 16:32:29 <BlueMatt> arg...ok
2025 2011-05-11 16:32:45 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: and much less problematic than trying to work around all problems created by an unintended LoadWallet usage (calling it twice)
2026 2011-05-11 16:33:23 <BlueMatt> fair enough, Im just against adding yet another function in db.cpp
2027 2011-05-11 16:33:34 <BlueMatt> which ends up copying half of other functions
2028 2011-05-11 16:33:37 <acfrazier> mos|work, nope
2029 2011-05-11 16:33:40 kika has joined
2030 2011-05-11 16:33:51 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|me either
2031 2011-05-11 16:34:03 <kika> so basically extraNonce is the coinbase pubkey?
2032 2011-05-11 16:34:36 <sipa> it's part of the coinbase tx's scriptSig
2033 2011-05-11 16:34:57 <sipa> normal txins have indeed a pubkey in there scriptSig
2034 2011-05-11 16:35:04 Ratt has joined
2035 2011-05-11 16:35:28 phrearch has joined
2036 2011-05-11 16:37:16 <kika> sipa: yes so basically the extraNonce = the coinbase tx scriptSig ?
2037 2011-05-11 16:38:13 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
2038 2011-05-11 16:38:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 52226802.3194 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 3 hours, 35 minutes, and 46 seconds
2039 2011-05-11 16:38:15 <kika> sipa: on this tx http://blockexplorer.com/tx/0d3103fa08c828342293cec695fa4240be64653893d093102cfa660df5afc1a3 the extraNonce would be 04b3936a1a011b ?
2040 2011-05-11 16:39:55 <acfrazier> jgarzik, so will you assist me with the sql for pushpoold?
2041 2011-05-11 16:40:53 <luke-jr> acfrazier: jgarzik wants you to buy a private pool from him
2042 2011-05-11 16:41:02 <acfrazier> I realize this
2043 2011-05-11 16:41:13 <jaromil> BlueMatt: wassup with those problems?
2044 2011-05-11 16:41:16 <kika> "A real coinbase transaction has some stuff in the scriptSig like the extraNonce and difficulty"
2045 2011-05-11 16:41:28 <acfrazier> luke-jr, are you familiar with pushpoold's database structure?
2046 2011-05-11 16:41:52 <ArtForz> kika: nope
2047 2011-05-11 16:41:57 <ArtForz> it'd be 1b
2048 2011-05-11 16:42:20 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|i need help with the sql part and just getting it running too
2049 2011-05-11 16:42:23 <kika> ArtForz: 04b3936a1a01 is the difficulty ?
2050 2011-05-11 16:42:37 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|not interested in buying a private server as i have my own server here and i'd rather learn and run one myself
2051 2011-05-11 16:42:42 <acfrazier> ^
2052 2011-05-11 16:42:47 <BlueMatt> jaromil: not sure, I just saw a. --with-gui doesnt bother to compile anything with wx for mingw and 2. trying to open bitcoind on windows results in a "missing boost*.dll" error
2053 2011-05-11 16:42:54 <BlueMatt> (boost should be static but currently its not)
2054 2011-05-11 16:43:01 <ArtForz> 04 = length of diff iculty data
2055 2011-05-11 16:43:03 <Ratt> mos|work: What's your question?
2056 2011-05-11 16:43:11 <luke-jr> acfrazier: I want you to use Eligius. ;)
2057 2011-05-11 16:43:13 <acfrazier> Ratt, pushpoold database structure
2058 2011-05-11 16:43:18 <ArtForz> b3936a1a = ddifficulty, same format as nBits in block header
2059 2011-05-11 16:43:23 <Ratt> Are you asking about the schema?
2060 2011-05-11 16:43:23 <ArtForz> 01 = length of extranonce
2061 2011-05-11 16:43:34 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|right now whenever i try and connect a miner to my pushpool, pushpool just hangs
2062 2011-05-11 16:43:45 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|that and i have no idea what the .sql schema is apart from pool_worker table
2063 2011-05-11 16:43:46 <acfrazier> Ratt, yes
2064 2011-05-11 16:44:03 <Ratt> mos|work: What's the debug output say?
2065 2011-05-11 16:44:16 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|nothing, the thing properly hangs
2066 2011-05-11 16:44:20 <Ratt> I laid out the schema in the channel a couple days ago, lemme see if I can find it.
2067 2011-05-11 16:44:41 <Ratt> mos|work: start pushpool with these switches: -E -F --debug=2
2068 2011-05-11 16:44:42 <acfrazier> Ratt, http://pastebin.com/y9n9LjvL
2069 2011-05-11 16:44:44 <acfrazier> is what I get
2070 2011-05-11 16:44:45 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|although when i close memcahced while it's hung i get this: http://pastebin.com/LwPP1Usq
2071 2011-05-11 16:44:54 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|Ratt: already running with those
2072 2011-05-11 16:45:03 Netsniper has joined
2073 2011-05-11 16:45:20 <acfrazier> and memcached is running when I get that, oddly enough
2074 2011-05-11 16:45:20 <kika> ArtForz: for that block nBits=1a6a93b3
2075 2011-05-11 16:45:34 <kika> ArtForz: the coinbase is 04b3936a1a011b
2076 2011-05-11 16:45:46 <ArtForz> yes, so?
2077 2011-05-11 16:45:48 <kika> ArtForz: i dont see the 1a6a93b3  on the coinbase scriptSig :/
2078 2011-05-11 16:45:54 <Ratt> acfrazier: Your second error can be caused by not having an up to date wallet or bitcoind not running
2079 2011-05-11 16:45:55 <ArtForz> nBits is stored little endian, remember?
2080 2011-05-11 16:45:59 <Ratt> You sure your wallet is up to date?
2081 2011-05-11 16:46:05 <kika> ArtForz: so i have to reverse it, right?
2082 2011-05-11 16:46:09 <kika> ArtForz: big endian?
2083 2011-05-11 16:46:13 cenuij has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2084 2011-05-11 16:46:17 <jaromil> BlueMatt: ack. have you tried fiddling --with-boost options for that?
2085 2011-05-11 16:46:17 <Ratt> mos|work: You are running with those switches and you get no debug output?
2086 2011-05-11 16:46:26 <acfrazier> Ratt, I just loaded bitcoin onto this server and let it download the blockchain overnight
2087 2011-05-11 16:46:31 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|Running with: ./pushpoold -E -F -D 2 -c server.json
2088 2011-05-11 16:46:33 <acfrazier> so I don't know why it wouldn't be
2089 2011-05-11 16:46:43 <ArtForz> LE b3936a1a = 0x1a6a93b3
2090 2011-05-11 16:46:44 <kika> ArtForz: 1a6a93b3 converted to little endian would be b3936a1a maybe
2091 2011-05-11 16:47:01 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|pushpool hangs totally, i only get an output once i close memcached which is when i get a load of outputs like this: http://pastebin.com/PCcGf7Ci
2092 2011-05-11 16:47:13 <Ratt> mos|work: You should get some initial output regarding what interfaces it's listening on, then when you try to connect, large blocks of text describing what's going on.
2093 2011-05-11 16:47:21 <BlueMatt> jaromil: no, havent looked at that, though IIRC it needs -static and it builds fine
2094 2011-05-11 16:47:25 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|oh that part, sec
2095 2011-05-11 16:47:26 <BlueMatt> not sure if autotools does that currently
2096 2011-05-11 16:47:38 <kika> ArtForz: ok thxs
2097 2011-05-11 16:47:49 <kika> ArtForz: so basically your opencl kernel for diablominer calculates attempt worthy nonces?
2098 2011-05-11 16:47:58 <Ratt> mos|work: So what you just pasted, you get when memcached is closed, right?
2099 2011-05-11 16:48:12 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|yes
2100 2011-05-11 16:48:20 <Ratt> mos|work: What port are you connected to with your client?
2101 2011-05-11 16:48:28 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|8337
2102 2011-05-11 16:48:59 <Ratt> Well, I'd say it's a problem with memcached then.  What distro?
2103 2011-05-11 16:49:10 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|ubuntu 10.04 - 64bit
2104 2011-05-11 16:49:18 <acfrazier> mine is the same except 32 bit
2105 2011-05-11 16:49:59 <jaromil> BlueMatt: there is no flag like that exposed in configure, but you can try adding it inside configure.ac and see if it works
2106 2011-05-11 16:50:02 <jaromil> then we add it
2107 2011-05-11 16:50:27 <Ratt> hmm
2108 2011-05-11 16:50:33 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|Ratt: http://pastebin.com/F4LMmAt7 - my full output, line 9 is where the client joins
2109 2011-05-11 16:51:38 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|oh, now it's just started working and connecting
2110 2011-05-11 16:51:39 <kika> what if someone with more mining power than the whole bitcoin network generates a new main chain?
2111 2011-05-11 16:51:42 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|with memcahched closed
2112 2011-05-11 16:52:26 <Ratt> acfrazier: if you tail the bitcoind log, what block number is your wallet on?
2113 2011-05-11 16:52:45 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|jgarzik,  FYI, applying the patch described at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621402#57 helps compiling bitcoind on debian
2114 2011-05-11 16:52:50 <kika> i mean for example someone creating a new main chain from the genesis block with greater aggregate difficulty than the current main chain?
2115 2011-05-11 16:53:04 <acfrazier> received getdata for: block 0000000016d4ee839982
2116 2011-05-11 16:53:06 <jgarzik> kika: then that chain wins
2117 2011-05-11 16:53:07 <acfrazier> is that what you mean?
2118 2011-05-11 16:53:18 <BlueMatt> jaromil: AHHH, why are there static directories in the form of /usr/i586-mingw32msvc in configure.ac???
2119 2011-05-11 16:53:25 <kika> jgarzik: so alll the current generated coins will be useless right?
2120 2011-05-11 16:54:01 <jgarzik> acfrazier: verify via 'getinfo' that the "blocks" field matches http://bitcoinwatch.com/
2121 2011-05-11 16:54:05 <jaromil> BlueMatt: is there a way to retrieve the prefix on mingw32?
2122 2011-05-11 16:54:08 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yeah, that's a bunch of crap
2123 2011-05-11 16:54:19 <kika> jgarzik: if that new main chain wins then all the current coins will be useless, right?
2124 2011-05-11 16:54:20 <jgarzik> jaromil: the user specifies the prefix.  never hardcode it into configure.ac.
2125 2011-05-11 16:54:22 <BlueMatt> jaromil: no idea, jgarzik any idea?
2126 2011-05-11 16:54:29 <BlueMatt> I guess --prefix should work
2127 2011-05-11 16:54:38 <jaromil> --prefix is for the install path
2128 2011-05-11 16:54:53 <BlueMatt> oh sorry, whats the default lib-prefix flag?
2129 2011-05-11 16:54:57 <Ratt> jgarzik: besides sharelog set to true in the config file, is there something else that needs to be done to get pushpoold to write an mysql db?
2130 2011-05-11 16:55:02 * jgarzik was using "prefix" as in sub-directory prefix, not specifically "--prefix"
2131 2011-05-11 16:55:18 <BlueMatt> yea
2132 2011-05-11 16:55:20 <jaromil> we can add another flag --with-mingw=/usr/i586-mingw32
2133 2011-05-11 16:55:21 <kika> Ratt: you need to create the mysql tables
2134 2011-05-11 16:55:27 <BlueMatt> jaromil: sounds good to me
2135 2011-05-11 16:55:37 <jgarzik> Ratt: have correct schema, have SQL statement match your schema, ...
2136 2011-05-11 16:55:42 <Ratt> kika: well, that's kind of a given heh.  :)
2137 2011-05-11 16:55:48 <jgarzik> jaromil: read mingw32-configure on Fedora
2138 2011-05-11 16:55:50 phantomcircuit has joined
2139 2011-05-11 16:56:02 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: that just calls rpm
2140 2011-05-11 16:56:04 <Ratt> jgarzik: Everything is working, it's just not writing to the db.  Statements work manually
2141 2011-05-11 16:56:05 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|i'd still like to know what the sql chema is for pushpool
2142 2011-05-11 16:56:20 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: so...might not work on non-fedora
2143 2011-05-11 16:56:35 <phantomcircuit> mos|work, so then start an sqlite db and then check it's schema
2144 2011-05-11 16:56:58 <Ratt> mos|work: pool_worker table has 2 fields, "username" and "password"
2145 2011-05-11 16:57:11 <acfrazier> not sure what you mean by "getinfo"
2146 2011-05-11 16:57:18 <acfrazier> do I have to send something to the daemon?
2147 2011-05-11 16:57:23 <Ratt> mos|work: shares has 6 fields, "rem_host, username, our_result, upstream_result, reason, solution
2148 2011-05-11 16:57:31 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|./bitcoind getinfo
2149 2011-05-11 16:57:36 <jaromil> BlueMatt: but before that can you try deleting those hardcoded paths and using --prefix=/usr/i586-mingw32msvc
2150 2011-05-11 16:57:41 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: the relevant point is that mingw32-configure sets the proper env vars and cli parameters, when calling configure
2151 2011-05-11 16:57:48 <jaromil> to see if that works, then its the simpliest solution
2152 2011-05-11 16:57:59 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|thansk Ratt
2153 2011-05-11 16:58:04 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|Any others?
2154 2011-05-11 16:58:04 <BlueMatt> jaromil: as you pointed out, --prefix just sets install path
2155 2011-05-11 16:58:04 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, jaromil: illustrating by example that --with-mingw32 is not needed
2156 2011-05-11 16:58:11 <acfrazier>     "blocks" : 123324,
2157 2011-05-11 16:58:14 <acfrazier> it looks like it matches
2158 2011-05-11 16:58:23 <jgarzik> remember... that is from the author of mingw32
2159 2011-05-11 16:58:27 <Ratt> mos|work: That's it.  I set them all to varchar(255) for simplicities sake.
2160 2011-05-11 16:58:27 <jgarzik> well, chief maintainer
2161 2011-05-11 16:58:38 <jaromil> i have no mingw32-config installed on debian
2162 2011-05-11 16:58:49 <BlueMatt> jaromil: yea, its a fedora thing
2163 2011-05-11 16:58:59 <jgarzik> jaromil: re-read what I just said.  #1 "mingw32-configure"  #2 "fedora"
2164 2011-05-11 16:59:00 <Ratt> mos|work: That's probably an issue at some point, but I just wanted to get it working.  Haven't been able to yet though.
2165 2011-05-11 16:59:38 <BlueMatt> jaromil: looks like just -static in the front of HOST_CXXFLAGS in mingw in configure.ac
2166 2011-05-11 16:59:49 <BlueMatt> seems to work, but needs more testing and I have to go, bbl
2167 2011-05-11 16:59:55 <kika> Ratt: maybe you need to allow null values for the shares table fields?
2168 2011-05-11 17:00:05 <jaromil> ok later
2169 2011-05-11 17:00:15 <Ratt> kika: I do for all but rem_host and username
2170 2011-05-11 17:00:19 <jaromil> jgarzik: what documentation are you pointing to, specifically?
2171 2011-05-11 17:00:56 <acfrazier> Ratt, http://pastebin.com/iHJYQWrD should work right?
2172 2011-05-11 17:01:02 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
2173 2011-05-11 17:01:07 <kika> why we need extraNonce when each coinbase transaction can just generate a new pubkey '
2174 2011-05-11 17:01:26 <kika> its only for those that want the coinbase to include the same pubkey on different blocks?
2175 2011-05-11 17:01:45 <Ratt> acfrazier: Yeah, as far as I know.  Haven't gotten it to succefully write to the db yet, but I don't think it's a schema issue.
2176 2011-05-11 17:01:47 <kika> extraNonce maybe was just for the genesis block useful
2177 2011-05-11 17:02:05 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, jaromil: here's "bash -x mingw32-configure" http://pastebin.com/Uvg9btR1
2178 2011-05-11 17:02:12 <kika> what do you guys think about extraNonce?
2179 2011-05-11 17:02:16 <jgarzik> jaromil: I never referred to any documentation
2180 2011-05-11 17:03:03 <jgarzik> jaromil: I am referring you to a script, from the upstream mingw32 maintainer, that illustrates how to call configure for mingw32
2181 2011-05-11 17:03:11 caedes has joined
2182 2011-05-11 17:03:46 <UukGoblin> kika, afair extraNonce is needed when the miner exhausts Nonce, which is quite common
2183 2011-05-11 17:03:58 <jgarzik> jaromil: the paths may differ between OS's, but the relevant point is that these paths should not be hardcoded into configure.ac
2184 2011-05-11 17:04:07 <jgarzik> the whole point of autotools is not to hardcode paths
2185 2011-05-11 17:04:39 <jgarzik> you then communicate paths through a standardized set of environment variables (which sometimes helpfully include cli parameters, for many of the common ones)
2186 2011-05-11 17:04:41 <kika> UukGoblin: when the miner exhausts nonce the miner can just generate a new priv/pub keypair
2187 2011-05-11 17:05:09 <UukGoblin> kika, generating keypairs is quite computationally heavy compared to incrementing an int
2188 2011-05-11 17:05:11 Yurock has joined
2189 2011-05-11 17:05:12 <jgarzik> kika: ntime may also vary
2190 2011-05-11 17:05:45 <UukGoblin> but I don't know exactly if it's needed or not
2191 2011-05-11 17:05:55 <kika> jgarzik: so why need extraNonce if we have ntime?
2192 2011-05-11 17:05:58 <jaromil> jgarzik: yea i know what autotools is for :) indeed if a pkg-config of mingw would be present that would solve
2193 2011-05-11 17:06:14 <acfrazier> hm, same errors
2194 2011-05-11 17:06:21 <acfrazier> pwdb query failed, memcache write failure
2195 2011-05-11 17:06:25 <UukGoblin> ntime is not enough in some cases, with 4x5970 you're mining at 2.4GHash/sec...
2196 2011-05-11 17:06:34 <kika> jgarzik: maybe to distribute work on pools only is useful extraNonce
2197 2011-05-11 17:06:43 <kika> jgarzik: and for the genesis block
2198 2011-05-11 17:06:48 <jaromil> that's where the mingw32 script takes the paths from
2199 2011-05-11 17:06:53 <Ratt> acfrazier: Something is up with your memecache install
2200 2011-05-11 17:06:56 <UukGoblin> well, it's close to exhausting the whole Nonce in a second anyway.
2201 2011-05-11 17:07:43 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: ...times ntime range
2202 2011-05-11 17:07:52 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: which is -5 minutes to +2 hours
2203 2011-05-11 17:07:52 <kika> UukGoblin: uh true
2204 2011-05-11 17:08:26 <kika> jgarzik: so each miner is responsible to create their own extraNonce?
2205 2011-05-11 17:08:40 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: if you can do a nonce per second... then ntime varying by two hours will take... two hours
2206 2011-05-11 17:08:47 <jgarzik> kika: no
2207 2011-05-11 17:08:52 <UukGoblin> jgarzik, well, yeah, but extraNonce is probably better than trying to cheat on time ;-]
2208 2011-05-11 17:08:57 <kika> jgarzik: pushpoold doesnt distribute different extraNonces to each miner so that they dont work on the same stuff?
2209 2011-05-11 17:08:58 zyb has joined
2210 2011-05-11 17:09:06 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: it's not cheating.  the miner is permitting to change ntime.
2211 2011-05-11 17:09:22 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: changing extranonce means changing the coinbase
2212 2011-05-11 17:09:37 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: ntime is far easier to change, for all involved
2213 2011-05-11 17:09:40 <luke-jr> hmm
2214 2011-05-11 17:09:45 <jgarzik> kika: no
2215 2011-05-11 17:09:57 <luke-jr> I'm not sure how pushpool actually gives miners different work
2216 2011-05-11 17:10:05 <kika> jgarzik: so who creates a new extraNonce?
2217 2011-05-11 17:10:06 <jgarzik> luke-jr: direct from bitcoind
2218 2011-05-11 17:10:10 <jgarzik> kika: ^
2219 2011-05-11 17:10:21 <luke-jr> jgarzik: bitcoind's getwork only seems to run every once in a while, though?
2220 2011-05-11 17:10:34 <kika> i see so bitcoind generates it
2221 2011-05-11 17:10:34 <jgarzik> luke-jr: look closely.  each work is unique.
2222 2011-05-11 17:10:40 <luke-jr> O.o
2223 2011-05-11 17:10:53 <UukGoblin> jgarzik, ok again, I'm not good at this, but assuming there were no transactions, and a miner did, say, 28.8Thash/sec, it'd exhaust the whole ntime allowance in a second and would have nothing to do...
2224 2011-05-11 17:11:03 <kika> ok thanks good i need to leave
2225 2011-05-11 17:11:34 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: yep, you would request a new work from bitcoind
2226 2011-05-11 17:11:42 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: but that would be a stupid setup
2227 2011-05-11 17:12:00 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: better to parallelize with separate works, than coordinate everybody on one work
2228 2011-05-11 17:12:06 <UukGoblin> jgarzik, but then bitcoind would have to create a new keypair, no?
2229 2011-05-11 17:12:15 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: no
2230 2011-05-11 17:12:49 <UukGoblin> well if it requests new work from bitcoind, and bitcoind doesn't change the keypair, what else it can change if not extraNonce (if there were no transactions)?
2231 2011-05-11 17:13:21 <jgarzik> UukGoblin: vin[0] scriptsig changes.  that includes extranonce.
2232 2011-05-11 17:13:56 <UukGoblin> ah, so extraNonce indeed - then again I'm not sure what was the original question ;-]
2233 2011-05-11 17:14:11 * jgarzik shrugs :)
2234 2011-05-11 17:14:43 <UukGoblin> oh, crap, I've got to go too
2235 2011-05-11 17:14:48 <UukGoblin> sorry ;-)
2236 2011-05-11 17:15:39 fimp has joined
2237 2011-05-11 17:18:09 FabianB_ has joined
2238 2011-05-11 17:18:13 da2ce7 has quit ()
2239 2011-05-11 17:19:01 <BlueMatt> jaromil: ok, so...it compiles into what appears to be a fine exe...it opens and asks about windows firewall crap (ie its binding to its port) but after that it just crashes sans-error messages or anything
2240 2011-05-11 17:19:11 <BlueMatt> just...no bitcoind anymore
2241 2011-05-11 17:19:16 FabianB has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2242 2011-05-11 17:19:51 kika has quit (Quit: Page closed)
2243 2011-05-11 17:20:44 * jgarzik builds mingw32-wxWindows RPMs
2244 2011-05-11 17:21:01 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: have you had a chance to look at the uri pull request?
2245 2011-05-11 17:21:16 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: not since the initial, no
2246 2011-05-11 17:21:16 <BlueMatt> #182
2247 2011-05-11 17:21:31 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: wallet encryption, jaromil's autotools and other work were higher priority, sorry to say
2248 2011-05-11 17:21:37 <BlueMatt> its been sitting around since april, just wondered if you had a chance...
2249 2011-05-11 17:21:44 * Diablo-D3 counts from 1:16
2250 2011-05-11 17:21:56 <jgarzik> ;;lastseen gavinandresen
2251 2011-05-11 17:21:56 <gribble> Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
2252 2011-05-11 17:22:01 <jgarzik> ;;bc,lastseen gavinandresen
2253 2011-05-11 17:22:01 <gribble> Error: "bc,lastseen" is not a valid command.
2254 2011-05-11 17:22:04 <acfrazier> Ratt, any idea how you'd do a web interface for this?
2255 2011-05-11 17:22:05 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
2256 2011-05-11 17:22:05 <jgarzik> ;;seen gavinandresen
2257 2011-05-11 17:22:05 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 23 hours, 38 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> kika: http://veritas.maximilianeum.ch/bitcoin/irc/logs/
2258 2011-05-11 17:22:06 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 23 hours, 38 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> kika: http://veritas.maximilianeum.ch/bitcoin/irc/logs/
2259 2011-05-11 17:22:15 <BlueMatt> in that case, have you had a chance to look at my encprivkey branch, the next generation of crypter?
2260 2011-05-11 17:22:25 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yep, it's looking pretty good
2261 2011-05-11 17:22:45 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: only a conceptual blocker -- should we prefer sipa's idea of master key?
2262 2011-05-11 17:22:47 <BlueMatt> nice, well just gonna add keypool cycling and then pull request it I think...
2263 2011-05-11 17:23:04 <BlueMatt> I was thinking yes, but then gavin's point about stuffing keypool made me reconsider
2264 2011-05-11 17:23:09 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, sipa: I wonder how GPG encrypts keys, for example?
2265 2011-05-11 17:23:24 <jgarzik> for keyring storage
2266 2011-05-11 17:23:26 <BlueMatt> (on his forum thread) I discussed my concerns there and IMHO its not worth it anymore
2267 2011-05-11 17:24:33 <jgarzik> building wxwindows takes for. freaking. ever.
2268 2011-05-11 17:24:41 <BlueMatt> not as long as boost
2269 2011-05-11 17:25:56 * Diablo-D3 does ... -F 1
2270 2011-05-11 17:25:57 <BlueMatt> " Instead it encrypts it using a symmetric encryption algorithm" -gpg manual (obviously not 100% to either way to encrypt, but Id bet plain symmetric is the way they do that)
2271 2011-05-11 17:26:03 <acfrazier> Ratt, hm.. I built libmemcached and memcached from source, installed them.. no dice
2272 2011-05-11 17:26:03 <Diablo-D3> full power to the rape engines!
2273 2011-05-11 17:26:13 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: longer, here, because some weird quirk of the build system prevents parallel compilation :(
2274 2011-05-11 17:26:23 da2ce7 has joined
2275 2011-05-11 17:26:29 <BlueMatt> ah, well that would kill it, -j8 is quite nice
2276 2011-05-11 17:26:30 <jgarzik> multi-core was invented for paralell compilation.  make -sj32 FTW
2277 2011-05-11 17:26:37 <Diablo-D3> no
2278 2011-05-11 17:26:49 <Diablo-D3> multicore was invented for people who are impatient
2279 2011-05-11 17:26:51 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: if you have the RAM, you want to build at least n_cores*2
2280 2011-05-11 17:26:51 <BlueMatt> (though I need more ram to keep my damn vms open while building with -j8)
2281 2011-05-11 17:27:19 <BlueMatt> probably should, though I thought the rule of thumb was n_cores+1?
2282 2011-05-11 17:27:40 <jrmithdobbs> it depends on the exact workload
2283 2011-05-11 17:27:46 <jrmithdobbs> oh the build
2284 2011-05-11 17:27:49 <jrmithdobbs> s/oh/of
2285 2011-05-11 17:28:25 <BlueMatt> either way 4 cores (8 ht) the difference between -j4 and -j8 is pretty small
2286 2011-05-11 17:29:27 brooss_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2287 2011-05-11 17:30:20 <Ratt> I've always gone with n_cores+1 myself
2288 2011-05-11 17:30:44 kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2289 2011-05-11 17:32:03 <jgarzik> you want to keep the CPUs busy even when the system is doing I/O
2290 2011-05-11 17:32:08 <Diablo-D3> ahahahah
2291 2011-05-11 17:32:08 <Diablo-D3> wow
2292 2011-05-11 17:32:11 <jgarzik> so overcommitting is fine
2293 2011-05-11 17:32:13 <Diablo-D3> I just redid -f 1000
2294 2011-05-11 17:32:18 <Diablo-D3> jesus this is smooth
2295 2011-05-11 17:32:36 <Diablo-D3> and my miner is taking up 70% cpu time doing it
2296 2011-05-11 17:32:38 vorlov has quit (Quit: vorlov)
2297 2011-05-11 17:33:19 thedarkone has joined
2298 2011-05-11 17:34:45 brooss has joined
2299 2011-05-11 17:35:14 vorlov has joined
2300 2011-05-11 17:35:22 <lupine_85> is the CDB wallet file an effective standard?
2301 2011-05-11 17:35:34 <lupine_85> i.e., is it meant to be portable between clients?
2302 2011-05-11 17:36:43 znGoat has quit ()
2303 2011-05-11 17:37:01 amiller has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2304 2011-05-11 17:39:37 <wumpus> well it makes sense for clients to support the same wallet format, but I doubt it was ever meant as an interoparable format
2305 2011-05-11 17:40:37 <luke-jr> lupine_85: no
2306 2011-05-11 17:40:50 <luke-jr> lupine_85: not even between two builds of the same bitcoind version
2307 2011-05-11 17:41:08 TheKid_ has joined
2308 2011-05-11 17:41:14 <luke-jr> eg, you can't use a wallet based on db4.8 with a db4.7 bitcoind
2309 2011-05-11 17:41:41 <sacarlson> wow I backed up my wallet thinking that was always going to be good
2310 2011-05-11 17:41:49 <BlueMatt> as a side note, I propse moving to db4.8 as that is what the debian package uses and it would be nice to be compatible with ourselves
2311 2011-05-11 17:42:49 ezl has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2312 2011-05-11 17:42:49 <BlueMatt> (while we are incompatibly upgrading wallets anyway)
2313 2011-05-11 17:43:11 <wumpus> I suppose you can use the db4.7 wallets with db4.8?
2314 2011-05-11 17:43:17 <wumpus> or is it also not backward compatible?
2315 2011-05-11 17:43:28 <BlueMatt> the logs are not, but the wallet itself is
2316 2011-05-11 17:43:44 <wumpus> phew
2317 2011-05-11 17:44:10 <BlueMatt> but I also think upgrading to db5 should be considered (which is not backward compatible)
2318 2011-05-11 17:44:16 <wumpus> another reason to overhaul the wallet format I guess
2319 2011-05-11 17:44:25 <BlueMatt> why? it works fine
2320 2011-05-11 17:44:55 <BlueMatt> Im just saying while we are adding encrypted keys (so old clients cant open new wallets)...might as well upgrade db while we can
2321 2011-05-11 17:44:58 <wumpus> because you need to be able to guarantee it is at least compatible with newer versions
2322 2011-05-11 17:45:22 <BlueMatt> no, db5 can open db4, just not the other way around
2323 2011-05-11 17:45:25 <BlueMatt> (well it can upgrade)
2324 2011-05-11 17:45:27 <wumpus> it's be disastrous if you upgrade bitcoin andyou lose your stuff
2325 2011-05-11 17:45:29 <wumpus> ok 
2326 2011-05-11 17:45:51 <BlueMatt> no, if we couldnt open old wallets, I would never consider it
2327 2011-05-11 17:46:15 <TheKid_> we need a tool that converts from one to another
2328 2011-05-11 17:46:21 <luke-jr> sacarlson: db4.8 will upgrade a db4.7 file
2329 2011-05-11 17:46:45 mosimo has joined
2330 2011-05-11 17:46:58 <BlueMatt> "Berkeley DB version 4.8 will be eventually
2331 2011-05-11 17:46:58 <BlueMatt> removed from unstable in favor of version 5.1." -debian bug report
2332 2011-05-11 17:47:15 <luke-jr> Gentoo is using db4.8
2333 2011-05-11 17:47:23 <BlueMatt> does gentoo also have db5?
2334 2011-05-11 17:47:44 <luke-jr> masked
2335 2011-05-11 17:47:45 <wumpus> yes in that case it might make sense to upgrade to a newer bdb, though they usually do keep the older version around for some time
2336 2011-05-11 17:47:55 <BlueMatt> ah, well then it would make sense to upgrade to db4.8
2337 2011-05-11 17:48:15 <luke-jr> # Masked for testing, and some testsuite failures.
2338 2011-05-11 17:48:45 <jrmithdobbs> wasnt db5 an ibm product at one point?
2339 2011-05-11 17:48:51 <luke-jr> it's Oracle now
2340 2011-05-11 17:48:59 <wumpus> maybe the client should have an option to export the wallet data in an interoperable format, like json
2341 2011-05-11 17:49:00 <jrmithdobbs> no not bdb
2342 2011-05-11 17:49:02 <BlueMatt> oracle bought it with sun and the rest
2343 2011-05-11 17:49:16 <wumpus> so you can import it into another client, or store it for the future safely
2344 2011-05-11 17:49:25 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yes, ibm built it, sun bought it, oracle bought sun
2345 2011-05-11 17:49:28 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, i think
2346 2011-05-11 17:49:31 kermit has joined
2347 2011-05-11 17:49:51 <BlueMatt> ibm picked it up after being designed by some guys at Berkeley iirc
2348 2011-05-11 17:50:01 <luke-jr> wumpus: not hard
2349 2011-05-11 17:50:03 <BlueMatt> (or did they hire those guys before they released it?)
2350 2011-05-11 17:50:08 <wumpus> sleepycat isn't it ?
2351 2011-05-11 17:50:15 <wumpus> luke-jr: no, not hard
2352 2011-05-11 17:50:36 <jrmithdobbs> no I know the lifespan of bdb (don't remember ibm ever owning it, thought it went something like berkley->sleepycat->(maybe a mysql stop)->sun->oracle
2353 2011-05-11 17:50:43 <wumpus> yep sleepycat was the bdb company
2354 2011-05-11 17:51:09 <jrmithdobbs> i meant ibm's other db product, that name "db5" just sounds familiar as hell and I know i've never used bdb 5 ;P
2355 2011-05-11 17:51:47 <wumpus> oracle ends up buying all database products in the end
2356 2011-05-11 17:52:20 <wumpus> it's like adobe with 3d design programs
2357 2011-05-11 17:52:54 <Diablo-D3> db... 5?!
2358 2011-05-11 17:53:04 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck dude
2359 2011-05-11 17:53:08 <Diablo-D3> I thought ibm was still at 2!
2360 2011-05-11 17:53:19 <Diablo-D3> oh, you meant bdb5
2361 2011-05-11 17:53:33 <Diablo-D3> [01:41:27] <BlueMatt> "Berkeley DB version 4.8 will be eventually
2362 2011-05-11 17:53:34 <Diablo-D3> [01:41:28] <BlueMatt> removed from unstable in favor of version 5.1." -debian bug report
2363 2011-05-11 17:53:38 <Diablo-D3> I dont think so tim
2364 2011-05-11 17:53:44 <Mad7Scientist> If they were at 5 that would be serious version number inflation
2365 2011-05-11 17:53:44 <Diablo-D3> bdb 5.x is closed source
2366 2011-05-11 17:54:34 <wumpus> I don't think they changed license
2367 2011-05-11 17:54:42 <BlueMatt> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621425
2368 2011-05-11 17:54:55 thedarkone has quit (Quit: Page closed)
2369 2011-05-11 17:55:33 <wumpus> I can't even download it from the oracle site without registering
2370 2011-05-11 17:55:33 pavlicek has joined
2371 2011-05-11 17:55:37 <wumpus> fuckups
2372 2011-05-11 17:55:42 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, rofl that's ridiculous
2373 2011-05-11 17:55:50 <Diablo-D3> time to flame the idiot who posted that comment
2374 2011-05-11 17:56:01 <BlueMatt> I just know what I read
2375 2011-05-11 17:56:25 <BlueMatt> yep, nvm I dont know why I believed that
2376 2011-05-11 17:56:37 <wumpus> but I can't find anything about a license change or a change to closed source, where did you get that from?
2377 2011-05-11 17:56:47 <BlueMatt> I knew better too, I need to read more into crap
2378 2011-05-11 17:57:08 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin should be patched to refuse to start with anything but 4.7
2379 2011-05-11 17:57:28 <BlueMatt> hm, no nvm...according to packages.debian.org, they appear to be moving towards db5.1
2380 2011-05-11 17:57:36 <BlueMatt> so that guy was right
2381 2011-05-11 17:57:39 <Diablo-D3> uh
2382 2011-05-11 17:57:45 <Diablo-D3> then bitcoin needs to be removed from debian
2383 2011-05-11 17:57:51 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin does not support closed source software.
2384 2011-05-11 17:57:54 TD_ has quit (Quit: TD_)
2385 2011-05-11 17:58:02 <wumpus> Diablo-D3: answer my question
2386 2011-05-11 17:58:03 <BlueMatt> since when is db5 closed source?
2387 2011-05-11 17:58:12 <wumpus> debian doesn't support closed source either
2388 2011-05-11 17:58:12 <BlueMatt> its just hard to download, not closed source
2389 2011-05-11 17:58:38 <BlueMatt> debian wheezy shows 5.1.1 for libdb-dev instead of 4.8
2390 2011-05-11 17:58:39 phrearch has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2391 2011-05-11 17:58:39 maikmerten has joined
2392 2011-05-11 17:59:05 <wumpus> can't we just embed the bdb4.7 files? I find it kind of scary to rely on an outside library that can change at any time, for the wallet format
2393 2011-05-11 17:59:25 <BlueMatt> wtf?
2394 2011-05-11 17:59:28 <wumpus> users are going to be bitten by this big time
2395 2011-05-11 17:59:34 <BlueMatt> no...no
2396 2011-05-11 17:59:49 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: 5.1 is closed source.
2397 2011-05-11 17:59:55 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: no its not
2398 2011-05-11 18:00:01 <wumpus> Diablo-D3: source?
2399 2011-05-11 18:00:01 <BlueMatt> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libdb-dev&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
2400 2011-05-11 18:00:02 <Diablo-D3> oracle changed the license away from BSD
2401 2011-05-11 18:00:07 <BlueMatt> that is db11
2402 2011-05-11 18:00:15 <BlueMatt> (no idea why the fuck they jumped so many versions
2403 2011-05-11 18:00:20 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: its available from oracle if you sign the nasty eula for an account
2404 2011-05-11 18:00:21 <gjs278> they're 6 versions ahead of us in terms of features
2405 2011-05-11 18:00:22 <wumpus> Diablo-D3: you can keep repeating it but that doesn't make it true
2406 2011-05-11 18:00:38 <Diablo-D3> dude, read the licenase.
2407 2011-05-11 18:00:43 <gjs278> licenses don't matter
2408 2011-05-11 18:00:52 <wumpus> debian wouldn't include it if it wasn't open source
2409 2011-05-11 18:00:56 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: having to sign an eula != closed source software...they just want you to sign some crap on their website
2410 2011-05-11 18:01:00 <wumpus> they'd rather throw you into a tar pit
2411 2011-05-11 18:01:05 <BlueMatt> that doesnt mean db5 is under eula
2412 2011-05-11 18:01:07 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: no, thats just to get the source to read the license.
2413 2011-05-11 18:01:20 <Diablo-D3> the license is closed source.
2414 2011-05-11 18:01:34 <wumpus> the license of the code itself matters, because if it is still bopen source you can copy it from someone else that downloaded it
2415 2011-05-11 18:02:19 <Diablo-D3> and why is debian trying to break apps?
2416 2011-05-11 18:02:22 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: unless you provide a link to prove it stfu
2417 2011-05-11 18:02:36 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: I cannot provide a link to it, I do not have an oracle account
2418 2011-05-11 18:02:42 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, iirc it's dual license?
2419 2011-05-11 18:02:43 <Diablo-D3> I refuse to sign the eula
2420 2011-05-11 18:02:50 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: that means "closed source"
2421 2011-05-11 18:02:57 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: no it doesnt
2422 2011-05-11 18:03:06 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, uh then mysql is closed source
2423 2011-05-11 18:03:13 <BlueMatt> eula on the site != closed source on the software
2424 2011-05-11 18:03:13 <Diablo-D3> when both of the "dual licenses" are not the original BSD license, it very much does.
2425 2011-05-11 18:03:28 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: and when Oracle starts suing mysql users over sw pats, yes, it will be
2426 2011-05-11 18:03:43 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, it's the sleepy cat license which is 2 clause bsd + copyleft something or other
2427 2011-05-11 18:03:52 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: not anymore it isnt
2428 2011-05-11 18:04:07 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: stfu, it is NOT closed source, you cant prove it and we can so STFU
2429 2011-05-11 18:04:22 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: I already proved it
2430 2011-05-11 18:04:25 <Diablo-D3> its Oracle.
2431 2011-05-11 18:04:27 <BlueMatt> back to the first discussion, IMHO we should upgrade bitcoin to use db5
2432 2011-05-11 18:04:33 <wumpus> you haven't proved anything
2433 2011-05-11 18:04:34 <BlueMatt> (in the official builds)
2434 2011-05-11 18:04:39 <Diablo-D3> no, bitcoin should not support closed source.
2435 2011-05-11 18:04:52 <wumpus> or maybe switch to sqlite, it's not owned by oracle yet :)
2436 2011-05-11 18:05:03 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|acfrazier: got it to work?
2437 2011-05-11 18:05:10 <wumpus> though they might buy it tomorrow of course
2438 2011-05-11 18:05:10 <BlueMatt> wumpus: I see no advantage to sqlite
2439 2011-05-11 18:05:22 <Ratt> Kreal: You ever get the db to write?
2440 2011-05-11 18:05:28 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|ratt yes
2441 2011-05-11 18:05:33 <Ratt> What'd you have to do?
2442 2011-05-11 18:05:33 <BlueMatt> I see no reason to move off of bdb, but we should upgrade to the latest version for forward support
2443 2011-05-11 18:05:43 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|made my own functions.
2444 2011-05-11 18:05:50 <Diablo-D3> and besides
2445 2011-05-11 18:05:51 <BlueMatt> though the gentoo masked db5 thing is an issue, so 4.8 it is
2446 2011-05-11 18:05:57 <Diablo-D3> isnt it bdb 11gR2 now?
2447 2011-05-11 18:06:09 <BlueMatt> yea they renamed 5.X
2448 2011-05-11 18:06:14 <Diablo-D3> even the version is an oracle ambombimation
2449 2011-05-11 18:06:17 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|what me to show you?
2450 2011-05-11 18:06:27 <acfrazier> kreal|, nope
2451 2011-05-11 18:06:34 <wumpus> well sqlite is embeddable, truly open source (public domain even) and not owned by oracle
2452 2011-05-11 18:06:35 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, they branded everything 11g
2453 2011-05-11 18:06:37 <nanotube> flatfile database! fully open source :)
2454 2011-05-11 18:06:39 <phantomcircuit> doesn't mean anything
2455 2011-05-11 18:06:56 <BlueMatt> wumpus: there is nothing wrong with bdb, its owned by is no reason to chose something
2456 2011-05-11 18:07:08 <TheKid_> BlueMatt: if they'll sue it is
2457 2011-05-11 18:07:14 marlowe has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2458 2011-05-11 18:07:16 <wumpus> there's a good reason that projects like firefox are using sqlite
2459 2011-05-11 18:07:17 <nanotube> BlueMatt: but what's the licensing on the new bdb?
2460 2011-05-11 18:07:31 <BlueMatt> nanotube: the same as the old one
2461 2011-05-11 18:07:37 <BlueMatt> nanotube: we already established that
2462 2011-05-11 18:07:40 <wumpus> anyway, switching the db format is not a good thing anyway
2463 2011-05-11 18:07:41 <nanotube> ah ok
2464 2011-05-11 18:07:48 <nanotube> BlueMatt: i'm late to the discussion :)
2465 2011-05-11 18:07:56 <wumpus> I'd say just stay at 4.7 which works
2466 2011-05-11 18:07:56 <BlueMatt> TheKid_: wtf? oracle wont sue us for using their software
2467 2011-05-11 18:08:01 <nanotube> if licensing is the same, then doesn't much matter who owns it.
2468 2011-05-11 18:08:16 <wumpus> we don't need any of the newer features
2469 2011-05-11 18:08:17 <nanotube> wumpus: how does sqlite compare with bdb for speed?
2470 2011-05-11 18:08:18 <mosimo> kreal|, i'd be interested in seeing what you had to do for the db writes
2471 2011-05-11 18:08:33 <BlueMatt> wumpus: my point is that the debian package uses 4.8 because that is what is available in their repos and it would be nice to be compatible with ourselves
2472 2011-05-11 18:08:35 <wumpus> nanotube: I don't know, that'd indeed be interesting to find out
2473 2011-05-11 18:08:45 <BlueMatt> (keep in mind that 0.4.0 adds wallet encryption which is incompatible anyway)
2474 2011-05-11 18:08:52 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|okie mosimo just a sec
2475 2011-05-11 18:08:54 Inaba has joined
2476 2011-05-11 18:09:08 <Inaba> Well, internet took a dump.  Anyway, were you sharing your changes, Kreal?
2477 2011-05-11 18:09:16 marlowe has joined
2478 2011-05-11 18:09:25 <sacarlson> I think the distibution if changing should add the needed data to prevent the 8 hour delay to download the blocks for first timers. not that it's related to db stuf
2479 2011-05-11 18:09:44 Ratt has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2480 2011-05-11 18:10:03 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, i actually agree with the general sentiment about moving away from bdb, sqlite3 is pretty good
2481 2011-05-11 18:10:17 vorlov has quit (Quit: vorlov)
2482 2011-05-11 18:10:19 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: since when is that general sentiment?
2483 2011-05-11 18:10:24 <BlueMatt> and why?
2484 2011-05-11 18:10:34 <glassresistor> since no one else uses bdb
2485 2011-05-11 18:10:34 <BlueMatt> I have yet to hear a reason at all to do so?
2486 2011-05-11 18:10:35 Inaba is now known as Ratt
2487 2011-05-11 18:10:41 <BlueMatt> glassresistor: ...facepalm
2488 2011-05-11 18:10:51 <glassresistor> bdb has no outside tools to manager it
2489 2011-05-11 18:10:54 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, it's easier to work with using external tools
2490 2011-05-11 18:10:59 <BlueMatt> glassresistor: well that is a good point
2491 2011-05-11 18:11:08 gasteve has joined
2492 2011-05-11 18:11:27 <glassresistor> postgres, mysql, and god be damned sqlite3 are much more developed
2493 2011-05-11 18:11:29 ArtForzZz has joined
2494 2011-05-11 18:11:46 <glassresistor> mysql is probably the correct size in my mind, postgres is probably overkill
2495 2011-05-11 18:11:55 vorlov has joined
2496 2011-05-11 18:12:04 <BlueMatt> not sure its worth moving though as there is some backward compatibility currently, but moving to sqlite kills all, not just some
2497 2011-05-11 18:12:12 <BlueMatt> (-nocrypt option)
2498 2011-05-11 18:12:12 <glassresistor> it wouldn't be hard to make it backend independent
2499 2011-05-11 18:12:40 <glassresistor> ignoring things like encryption of the db
2500 2011-05-11 18:12:51 <nanotube> sacarlson: blockchain snapshot is available on sourceforge frs.
2501 2011-05-11 18:13:01 ahbritto__ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
2502 2011-05-11 18:13:10 <jgarzik> glassresistor: huh?  dbd ships with external tools
2503 2011-05-11 18:13:14 <BlueMatt> (if you want to code it, go ahead)...upgrading to bdb4.8 is pretty much as simple as installing different dev package and modifying makefile, chaning to sqlite or anything else that fancy is a hell of a lot of work
2504 2011-05-11 18:13:16 <jgarzik> glassresistor: and every language under the sun supports it
2505 2011-05-11 18:13:38 <sacarlson> nanotube: cool and if we ever have a ubuntu distrubution hope it's there also
2506 2011-05-11 18:14:01 <BlueMatt> and more up-to-date blockchain is on bitcoin.bluematt.me ;)
2507 2011-05-11 18:14:19 <BlueMatt> (though to be fair, I dont want to see that distributed as it would be better to do thin clients instead)
2508 2011-05-11 18:14:31 <nanotube> sacarlson: should be a separate optional package. not everyone will need 150megs of extra blockchain data from the repos :)
2509 2011-05-11 18:14:42 ArtForz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2510 2011-05-11 18:15:06 ezl has joined
2511 2011-05-11 18:15:16 <sacarlson> nanotube:  is that what's needed to do transactions 150 megs?
2512 2011-05-11 18:15:43 kelvie_ has joined
2513 2011-05-11 18:15:44 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: you only need blockchain if you are mining
2514 2011-05-11 18:15:51 <BlueMatt> otherwise thin client ftw
2515 2011-05-11 18:16:21 <nanotube> BlueMatt: and since there's no thin clients in operation currently... yes you need it, sacarlson :)
2516 2011-05-11 18:16:36 danbri has joined
2517 2011-05-11 18:16:58 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: oh ok If not needed to sent 2 btc then it should be an option
2518 2011-05-11 18:17:05 <BlueMatt> true, but Id like to see thin clients worked on more than blockchain distribution
2519 2011-05-11 18:17:05 TheKid_ has quit (Quit: TheKid_)
2520 2011-05-11 18:17:46 <sacarlson> something like a 150 meg file could be distributed with torrents
2521 2011-05-11 18:17:51 Ratt has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2522 2011-05-11 18:18:27 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: is that what thin clients are torrents?
2523 2011-05-11 18:18:52 <BlueMatt> no, they are just clients which ignore all the crap that they dont care aboue (ie other peoepl's transactions)
2524 2011-05-11 18:18:59 <BlueMatt> and thus dont need to care about the whole blockchain
2525 2011-05-11 18:20:21 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: like what I see my skype does with me maybe,  they seem to use my connection since I have a direct ip to redistribute and use alot of my bandwidth
2526 2011-05-11 18:20:21 <lfm> BlueMatt: ok if a thin client is to receive a txn, how does it verify it?
2527 2011-05-11 18:20:29 <lupine_85> OK, so why not consider moving to SQLite3 for the database?
2528 2011-05-11 18:20:39 <BlueMatt> lfm: it doesnt, simple
2529 2011-05-11 18:21:02 <lupine_85> it's marginally more complex (although not much), and you also get the advantage of being able to use SQLCipher too
2530 2011-05-11 18:21:03 <lfm> so its vulnreble to double spending?
2531 2011-05-11 18:21:04 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: no, thin clients have nothing to do with p2p additions
2532 2011-05-11 18:21:15 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,gen 300
2533 2011-05-11 18:21:18 <BlueMatt> lfm: no, it depends on the miners to confirm its txes
2534 2011-05-11 18:21:30 <lupine_85> (sorry I took so long to respond, luke-jr)
2535 2011-05-11 18:21:46 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: they are just regular nodes, which drop blocks that dont contain txes which arent their's
2536 2011-05-11 18:22:00 <lupine_85> plus, backward compatibility + interoperable export/import format
2537 2011-05-11 18:22:04 <lfm> k, so it still waits for like 6 blocks to confirm a txn?
2538 2011-05-11 18:22:13 <BlueMatt> lfm: exactly
2539 2011-05-11 18:22:28 <BlueMatt> "confirm" being used very lossely
2540 2011-05-11 18:22:31 <jrmithdobbs> MagicalTux: what happened to us eft possibility?
2541 2011-05-11 18:22:50 <BlueMatt> the client doesnt "confirm" a tx at 6 blocks, just marks it "confirmed"
2542 2011-05-11 18:23:19 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I was just reading the code changes at confirm that in my version was modifiable I didn't read far enuf into the code to see how the number has changed
2543 2011-05-11 18:23:40 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 300 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 0.00191676164526 BTC per day and 7.98650685525e-05 BTC per hour.
2544 2011-05-11 18:23:50 amiller has joined
2545 2011-05-11 18:24:21 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: what now?
2546 2011-05-11 18:24:41 mologie has joined
2547 2011-05-11 18:24:48 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I think it had to do with what was set in main.h to a constant 100 for miners before they can spend money,  not sure what the new code uses
2548 2011-05-11 18:25:13 <BlueMatt> what are you on aboue?
2549 2011-05-11 18:25:17 <BlueMatt> about*
2550 2011-05-11 18:25:43 <BlueMatt> something about the 120 confirms before you can spend a generation tx?
2551 2011-05-11 18:25:43 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, actually the way it's setup now would be conductive to a switch to sqlite,
2552 2011-05-11 18:25:52 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, but i have no interest in doing so ;)
2553 2011-05-11 18:26:14 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: I dont think it would be advantageous in any way, even if someone did have the free time to implement it
2554 2011-05-11 18:26:34 <lfm> just be slower prolly
2555 2011-05-11 18:27:44 <CIA-30> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r6a46b36 / (2 files in 2 dirs):
2556 2011-05-11 18:27:44 <CIA-30> DiabloMiner: Added -v for vectors, reworked -f code (should allow -f 1000 on nvidia
2557 2011-05-11 18:27:44 <CIA-30> DiabloMiner: to work better), and disabled -z 10 by default on Radeon 5/6xxx - http://bit.ly/mefhgC
2558 2011-05-11 18:27:48 Nicksasa has joined
2559 2011-05-11 18:28:36 <gasteve> why are people interested in a switch to sqllite3?
2560 2011-05-11 18:28:58 <gjs278> EMBEDDING
2561 2011-05-11 18:29:00 <BlueMatt> gasteve: I agree, I see no advantage to it
2562 2011-05-11 18:29:06 <Diablo-D3> okay so guys
2563 2011-05-11 18:29:09 <Diablo-D3> give me an accurate answer
2564 2011-05-11 18:29:29 <Diablo-D3> with -v -w 128, what should I get on a 765mhz 5850 without bfi_int, and on sdk 2.1
2565 2011-05-11 18:29:57 <gjs278> I got 280 but I don't know if bfi_int was on or off, it was the may 1st version of poclbm
2566 2011-05-11 18:30:04 <gjs278> poclbm-gui that is
2567 2011-05-11 18:30:08 <gasteve> it would be nice to have a standardized text based format for a wallet (with encrypted private keys)
2568 2011-05-11 18:30:16 <Diablo-D3> Im getting 273 as it is
2569 2011-05-11 18:30:20 <Diablo-D3> it seems... low for some reason
2570 2011-05-11 18:30:23 <gasteve> (and an import/export feature in the client)
2571 2011-05-11 18:30:39 <lupine_85> SQLCipher is a massive advantage
2572 2011-05-11 18:31:02 <BlueMatt> lupine_85: what is SQLCipher and how is it an advantage for bitcoin?
2573 2011-05-11 18:31:04 <lupine_85> highly integrated, reliable encryption without hurting performance much
2574 2011-05-11 18:31:10 <gasteve> I thought the approach to encrypting keys was to just encrypt the keys and not the whole DB?
2575 2011-05-11 18:31:23 <BlueMatt> lupine_85: encryption is in bitcoin, not the db, so I see no advantage
2576 2011-05-11 18:31:28 <BlueMatt> gasteve: yep
2577 2011-05-11 18:31:41 <BlueMatt> Id much, much rather do it in bitcoin than my db
2578 2011-05-11 18:31:49 <lupine_85> if someone gets the wallet file, they can steal your bitcoins, correct?
2579 2011-05-11 18:31:49 <gasteve> m2
2580 2011-05-11 18:32:02 <BlueMatt> lupine_85: currently, yes, in the next version, no
2581 2011-05-11 18:32:10 <lupine_85> well, that's good then :)
2582 2011-05-11 18:32:10 <gjs278> isn't it
2583 2011-05-11 18:32:13 <BlueMatt> (Im working on the encryption right now)
2584 2011-05-11 18:32:15 <gjs278> in the next version "maybe"
2585 2011-05-11 18:32:22 <lupine_85> sqlcipher does the encryption for freee
2586 2011-05-11 18:32:26 <lupine_85> and it's already written
2587 2011-05-11 18:32:26 <gjs278> because it depends if you actually used the encryption or not
2588 2011-05-11 18:32:35 <gjs278> or is everyone using this encryption
2589 2011-05-11 18:32:38 <BlueMatt> gjs278: well you have to go out of your way to not
2590 2011-05-11 18:32:42 <BlueMatt> -nocrypt
2591 2011-05-11 18:32:53 <gasteve> although, there is some meta information that might be worth encrypting...the set of addresses contained within a wallet might be considered sensitive information by some
2592 2011-05-11 18:32:54 <BlueMatt> but no regular users are going to launch with a specific option via cli
2593 2011-05-11 18:33:20 <BlueMatt> gasteve: true, but I dont think its that worth it IMHO...but I could be wrong
2594 2011-05-11 18:34:07 <lupine_85> but what triggered the thought of sqlite is that then you're not bound to the fickleness of cdb minor versions
2595 2011-05-11 18:34:15 <lupine_85> gramps has the same problem
2596 2011-05-11 18:34:23 <gasteve> if you got someone's wallet, you could start to piece together a lot of fund movement from the addresses
2597 2011-05-11 18:34:42 <lupine_85> at one point, I ended up building an entire hardy chroot just to get a version of gramps that could read an old data file
2598 2011-05-11 18:34:46 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: not sure it was your change but this int ncoinbase_maturity = 100; value or where it comes from seems to have changed
2599 2011-05-11 18:34:58 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: isnt it 120?
2600 2011-05-11 18:35:17 <lupine_85> *shrug* if there's massive sqlite hatred here, fair enough, but I do think it's a good solution, especially when combined with sqlcipher
2601 2011-05-11 18:35:19 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: it was at the user interface but the net was 100
2602 2011-05-11 18:35:32 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: I have no idea wtf you are talking about, what change?
2603 2011-05-11 18:35:45 <BlueMatt> ncoinbase_maturity should be the number of confirms before you can spend coinbase coins
2604 2011-05-11 18:35:46 <gasteve> but, encrypting private keys is a necessary first step...even if whole wallet encryption became desirable, you might want the option to encrypt the private keys with a separate encryption code
2605 2011-05-11 18:36:06 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: sorry I'll find more details if your interested
2606 2011-05-11 18:36:07 <gjs278> 
2607 2011-05-11 18:36:25 <BlueMatt> gasteve: I agree, but IMHO if someone is reading your drive, getting your bitcoin balance is the least of your worries
2608 2011-05-11 18:36:35 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: what change are you talking about?
2609 2011-05-11 18:36:55 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I'm looking for the line now
2610 2011-05-11 18:37:12 * lupine_85 wonders if he should write a railsy bitcoin app, just to keep in practice
2611 2011-05-11 18:37:47 <gasteve> btw, I am really like the node.js stuff
2612 2011-05-11 18:37:53 <gasteve> *liking
2613 2011-05-11 18:38:03 <lupine_85> node.js is hideously good :/
2614 2011-05-11 18:38:22 <lupine_85> I'm meant to hate javascript, but I can't bring myself to condemn it
2615 2011-05-11 18:38:42 <phantomcircuit> lupine_85, try using that with 10k clients
2616 2011-05-11 18:38:48 <phantomcircuit> inb4meltedpileofshit
2617 2011-05-11 18:38:56 <gasteve> at least it has closures...more than Java and c++ can say
2618 2011-05-11 18:39:08 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, sipa, TD: comments requested, re headers-only client: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7972.0
2619 2011-05-11 18:39:09 <lupine_85> what, node.js or rails?
2620 2011-05-11 18:39:12 <jgarzik> (anyone else welcome, too)
2621 2011-05-11 18:39:21 <gasteve> JavaScript has closures
2622 2011-05-11 18:39:30 <lupine_85> I was talking about the C10K challenge :)
2623 2011-05-11 18:39:32 <gasteve> (and hence node.js does as well)
2624 2011-05-11 18:39:49 <lupine_85> (groupon was written in rails and coped with C10K without any trouble at all, as it happens)
2625 2011-05-11 18:40:03 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: frankly, I see no huge advantage to headers-only for quite a while (until the blocks become HUGE)
2626 2011-05-11 18:40:14 <BlueMatt> just the dont-store blocks would be really nice for non-miners
2627 2011-05-11 18:40:31 <gasteve> bigger fish to fry before that becomes an issue
2628 2011-05-11 18:40:35 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: it's a pain for phones and disconnected operation
2629 2011-05-11 18:40:37 <phantomcircuit> lupine_85, i happen to know that groupon is only nominally written in rails, they replaced the ActiveRecord model with more traditional db objects
2630 2011-05-11 18:40:44 <phantomcircuit> lupine_85, and they gutted a bunch of the internals
2631 2011-05-11 18:40:57 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: this line  nGeneratedImmature = CTransaction::GetCredit();  at line 496 in my code but might be after merge in main.cpp  I'm not sure what the difference is from CTransaction::GetCredit(); and GetCredit(); 2 lines down in the if else lines
2632 2011-05-11 18:40:58 <BlueMatt> I guess, first step would be just rip out all the storage of txes in the on-disk database
2633 2011-05-11 18:41:03 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: and a win for user freedom -- the current client kind of ties users to big sites like mybitcoin or mtgox, because running your own client is a pain.
2634 2011-05-11 18:41:21 <mosimo> quick question, what's the command to send btc using bitcoind and how do you find it's payment address?
2635 2011-05-11 18:41:21 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: so the current implementation incentivizes you to use a Big Banking Establishment to store your bitcoins reliably ;-)
2636 2011-05-11 18:41:32 <BlueMatt> sorry, I thought you meant network headers-only, not actual client headers-only
2637 2011-05-11 18:41:38 <BlueMatt> so yea, I see a huge advantage
2638 2011-05-11 18:41:52 <lupine_85> mm, I had a good chat with them at RailsConf about it
2639 2011-05-11 18:41:59 <gasteve> phones won't need blocks or headers at all...they won't even need local storage of anything...just send down the encrypted private keys and let the user decrypt to make transactions...everything else is online
2640 2011-05-11 18:42:03 <BlueMatt> let me get a bit more done on this crypto stuff, and Ill see whats going on then
2641 2011-05-11 18:42:07 TD_ has joined
2642 2011-05-11 18:42:16 <lupine_85> don't really fancy a platform war, though :)
2643 2011-05-11 18:42:16 <BlueMatt> TD_: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7972.0
2644 2011-05-11 18:42:30 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: i don't understand why headers only helps
2645 2011-05-11 18:42:37 <jrmithdobbs> rest if it i get
2646 2011-05-11 18:42:40 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: saves a ton of space on disk
2647 2011-05-11 18:42:44 Ratt has joined
2648 2011-05-11 18:42:46 <lfm> mosimo: your payee gives you the payment address to send to. you use the sendtoaddress bitcoind command
2649 2011-05-11 18:43:02 <jrmithdobbs> oh headers of the block not headers only in the json-rpc api
2650 2011-05-11 18:43:03 <jrmithdobbs> hahaha
2651 2011-05-11 18:43:04 <jrmithdobbs> nm
2652 2011-05-11 18:43:30 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: right
2653 2011-05-11 18:43:45 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: if there are good concrete steps posted, Ill volunteer to actually write it (looking for something after crypto anyway)
2654 2011-05-11 18:43:47 <mosimo> thanks lfm. was just wondering if i could send 0.1 to my bitcoind client just to make sure its working right
2655 2011-05-11 18:43:59 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I think we'll all work on various bits
2656 2011-05-11 18:44:06 <BlueMatt> fair enough
2657 2011-05-11 18:44:52 <lfm> mosimo: ya get a new address to send to with getnewaddress command then send to that address
2658 2011-05-11 18:45:00 pnicholson has joined
2659 2011-05-11 18:45:02 <lupine_85> still, massive props to redis
2660 2011-05-11 18:45:04 <mosimo> sorted, thanks :)
2661 2011-05-11 18:45:19 <jgarzik> My main concern is behavior of older clients, in the face of partial blocks.
2662 2011-05-11 18:45:39 <jgarzik> satoshi prepared for many eventualities -- including ones not yet implemented -- but I'm not so sure about this one
2663 2011-05-11 18:45:45 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: isnt there some flag somewhere in the networking stuff that means "im a partial node"
2664 2011-05-11 18:45:51 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yep
2665 2011-05-11 18:46:07 <BlueMatt> well then the first step is to get a version out there that doesnt connect to "partial nodes"
2666 2011-05-11 18:46:23 <BlueMatt> because it doesnt know how to handle them
2667 2011-05-11 18:46:29 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: thereby slowly isolating and snubbing ancient clients with spendable coins?
2668 2011-05-11 18:46:56 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: coins can be spent with a simple update, don't see the major issue
2669 2011-05-11 18:47:07 <BlueMatt> new nodes which are partial nodes should reject other partial node connections as well then?
2670 2011-05-11 18:47:29 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,gen 1200000
2671 2011-05-11 18:47:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 7.66704658104 BTC per day and 0.31946027421 BTC per hour.
2672 2011-05-11 18:47:38 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: people holding money, using older versions might disagree with that logic
2673 2011-05-11 18:48:02 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: my not-very-fully-thought-out mental image has always been of supernodes and subnodes where subnodes (thin clients) never connect to other subnodes
2674 2011-05-11 18:48:05 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: i understand holding money, but what's keeping from upgrading?
2675 2011-05-11 18:48:07 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: we have a higher standard than that.  it's just not friendly to users if their payment system just stops working one day.
2676 2011-05-11 18:48:18 <jrmithdobbs> fair enough, good answer.
2677 2011-05-11 18:48:21 <BlueMatt> and some automatic upgrading of subnodes to super nodes if they have the disk space and cputime available
2678 2011-05-11 18:48:27 <BlueMatt> (like gnutella)
2679 2011-05-11 18:48:35 pavlicek has left ()
2680 2011-05-11 18:48:40 <lfm> partial nodes prolly shouldnt accept any incomming connects
2681 2011-05-11 18:48:44 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: new software can do all sorts of wonderful things.
2682 2011-05-11 18:48:51 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: how can we make -old- software continue working?
2683 2011-05-11 18:49:09 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: have the leaf nodes reject connections from older clients
2684 2011-05-11 18:49:11 <BlueMatt> I dont see backward compatibility issues with that idea?
2685 2011-05-11 18:49:23 <BlueMatt> if subnodes simply drop connections to other subnodes?
2686 2011-05-11 18:49:27 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: the 'super nodes' will still accept their connections and so long as the seeds are only super nodes
2687 2011-05-11 18:49:33 <BlueMatt> old clients will take longer to connect, but they will still connect
2688 2011-05-11 18:49:36 <jrmithdobbs> it sorts itself out
2689 2011-05-11 18:49:45 <jgarzik> long term, all super nodes will be partial nodes, except for the stubborn holdouts like theymos ;)
2690 2011-05-11 18:49:49 <jgarzik> because we must prune spent tx's
2691 2011-05-11 18:49:58 <jgarzik> but gotta keep supporting older clients
2692 2011-05-11 18:50:01 <BlueMatt> well thats a separate problem
2693 2011-05-11 18:50:03 <lfm> jgarzik: that doesnt seem likley
2694 2011-05-11 18:50:25 <BlueMatt> and I agree with lfm
2695 2011-05-11 18:50:32 <lfm> why "must" we prune?
2696 2011-05-11 18:50:33 <jgarzik> so, "partial nodes don't accept incoming connections" is plainly not workable
2697 2011-05-11 18:50:49 <acfrazier> http://pastebin.com/KSQpMri8
2698 2011-05-11 18:50:49 <BlueMatt> no, they can accept incoming connections, just not from other partial nodes
2699 2011-05-11 18:50:52 <acfrazier> still getting this.
2700 2011-05-11 18:50:52 <BlueMatt> (or older clients)
2701 2011-05-11 18:50:59 <acfrazier> I've tried everything.
2702 2011-05-11 18:51:13 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: what about "don't except connections from legacy clients"?
2703 2011-05-11 18:51:13 <jgarzik> ...thereby degrading the experience of older clients severely
2704 2011-05-11 18:51:25 <jrmithdobbs> hmm
2705 2011-05-11 18:51:25 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: locks older clients out of the network
2706 2011-05-11 18:51:28 <jrmithdobbs> it's a hard problem
2707 2011-05-11 18:52:04 <lfm> jgarzik why "must" we prune long term?
2708 2011-05-11 18:52:06 <BlueMatt> I dont think it kills them that hard, just hurts them
2709 2011-05-11 18:52:21 <BlueMatt> the static nodes will still be accessible as full nodes as will dns seeds
2710 2011-05-11 18:52:33 <BlueMatt> just the irc nodes will be full of dont-connect
2711 2011-05-11 18:52:54 <BlueMatt> or...half-nodes encode their ip differently on irc, hence old nodes will automatically seek out full nodes
2712 2011-05-11 18:53:09 <BlueMatt> just adding a _ in front of their nick should do it
2713 2011-05-11 18:53:33 <jgarzik> lfm: because otherwise the database fills with garbage.  all tx's are stuffed into a single key/value namespace, and lack of pruning continues to drag on performance
2714 2011-05-11 18:54:10 <BlueMatt> yea, pruning would be useful, the problem there is more severe to old nodes...we would _have_ to keep old nodes or other nodes which dont prune around to support them
2715 2011-05-11 18:54:17 kreal has quit (!~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|Read error: Operation timed out)
2716 2011-05-11 18:54:48 <BlueMatt> though the same applies as above, just no longer a full network but several volunteer nodes kept up specifically for old nodes
2717 2011-05-11 18:55:14 <BlueMatt> (different irc nicks, different dns name, and the static nodes keep running full non-pruning nodes)
2718 2011-05-11 18:55:27 <TD_> BlueMatt, jgarzik: replying now
2719 2011-05-11 18:55:35 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, the performance penalty of a single transaction table isn't actually that bad
2720 2011-05-11 18:55:44 kreal has joined
2721 2011-05-11 18:55:49 <BlueMatt> anyway, Ill put this on the forum to get more comments because Im sure Im missing a couple things
2722 2011-05-11 18:55:51 TD has quit (Disconnected by services)
2723 2011-05-11 18:55:52 TD_ is now known as TD
2724 2011-05-11 18:56:02 <TD> it might be worth using the google design doc template for this. i've found it helpful for my own programs. for now a forum discussion will do.
2725 2011-05-11 18:56:06 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: but in 10 years, how many txes...
2726 2011-05-11 18:56:18 TDX_ has joined
2727 2011-05-11 18:56:43 <lfm> jgarzik: "Garbage" is subjective term. if the txn history ever becomes truley intractable, we will not longer have bitcoin any more, it will be something else (maybe still called bitcoin but not the same)
2728 2011-05-11 18:56:53 <BlueMatt> TD: IMHO better a development planning could be used, the forum isnt great...
2729 2011-05-11 18:57:06 <TD> a google doc might be good
2730 2011-05-11 18:57:11 Incitatus has joined
2731 2011-05-11 18:57:11 * TD is clearly biased :)
2732 2011-05-11 18:57:13 <jgarzik> TD: bleh
2733 2011-05-11 18:57:28 <TD> i actually use the HTML design doc template, checked into perforce for my own designs
2734 2011-05-11 18:57:34 <TD> that way they go through the regular code review process
2735 2011-05-11 18:57:37 <jgarzik> perforce: double bleh :)
2736 2011-05-11 18:57:42 <TD> same tools, etc. changes to design can be done atomically with code :)
2737 2011-05-11 18:57:51 <TD> lots of git5 users at google ..... i'm not one of them though, heh
2738 2011-05-11 18:58:12 <BlueMatt> git5?
2739 2011-05-11 18:58:41 <wumpus> so you use the old version of google docs? the new one isn't html based is it
2740 2011-05-11 19:00:31 <wumpus> doesn't even support css custom styles
2741 2011-05-11 19:00:51 <TD> indeed it's not html based. you can export to html though
2742 2011-05-11 19:00:55 <TD> no, i write the html by hand
2743 2011-05-11 19:00:58 * TD is old fashioned
2744 2011-05-11 19:01:04 * BlueMatt does as well
2745 2011-05-11 19:01:08 <TD> BlueMatt: some kind of frankenstein git/perforce mashup
2746 2011-05-11 19:01:16 <TD> i haven't really tried it
2747 2011-05-11 19:01:20 <wumpus> I'm still using the old google docs for design docs because of that reason
2748 2011-05-11 19:02:41 <wumpus> I hate writing html by hand, the typing doesn't flow, if I have to write docs as text I use restructuredtext/markdown
2749 2011-05-11 19:03:22 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, it helps to remap <> to not require shift
2750 2011-05-11 19:03:23 <phantomcircuit> lul
2751 2011-05-11 19:03:30 <wumpus> lol, yeah I guess
2752 2011-05-11 19:04:18 <wumpus> but I don't like reading html/xml either, I guess I'd have to remap the < and > away completely to nicer characters :)
2753 2011-05-11 19:05:18 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: reply posted :)
2754 2011-05-11 19:05:39 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, TD: thanks!
2755 2011-05-11 19:12:26 BlueMatt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2756 2011-05-11 19:14:12 tabsa has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2757 2011-05-11 19:16:09 ezl has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
2758 2011-05-11 19:16:18 thedarkone has joined
2759 2011-05-11 19:16:23 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
2760 2011-05-11 19:16:23 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4.6,"vol":56887,"buy":5.649,"sell":5.7,"last":5.649}}
2761 2011-05-11 19:16:44 <TD> jgarzik: ok, replied
2762 2011-05-11 19:17:02 <gjs278>  ////;;;;\\\\
2763 2011-05-11 19:17:49 BlueMatt has joined
2764 2011-05-11 19:17:49 BlueMatt has quit (Changing host)
2765 2011-05-11 19:17:49 BlueMatt has joined
2766 2011-05-11 19:17:59 thedarkone has quit (Client Quit)
2767 2011-05-11 19:18:35 * BlueMatt lets his comptuer use up all its memory and watch it die for the last time and goes to buy another 4g
2768 2011-05-11 19:18:41 justanotheruser has joined
2769 2011-05-11 19:21:11 CIA-30 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2770 2011-05-11 19:21:28 <gjs278> now is the best time too
2771 2011-05-11 19:21:32 <gjs278> ddr3 is cheaper than ever
2772 2011-05-11 19:22:27 <BlueMatt> the saddest part is I have no idea wtf it is doing when it runs out...I turned off swap hoping it would just kill memhogs instantly but instead it sits around for about 10 minutes pegging io before killing anything...
2773 2011-05-11 19:22:41 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: you're the kernel expert, wtf is my kernel doing?
2774 2011-05-11 19:23:21 <gjs278> I don't see how you would hit 8gb of ram usage
2775 2011-05-11 19:23:27 <gjs278> unless it was clearly obvious what was using it
2776 2011-05-11 19:23:49 <BlueMatt> make -j8 on bitcoin + 2g ram on a tmpfs that I use for some other stuff +  a couple vms
2777 2011-05-11 19:24:00 <BlueMatt> kills it pretty quick
2778 2011-05-11 19:24:09 <gjs278> what ram do you give the "couple vms"
2779 2011-05-11 19:24:17 <gjs278> just lower it on them
2780 2011-05-11 19:24:39 <BlueMatt> no, I just give them 2g
2781 2011-05-11 19:24:40 <gjs278> unless of course they start crashing due to out of memory
2782 2011-05-11 19:25:19 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: well tmpfs sucks up your ram
2783 2011-05-11 19:25:31 devon_hillard has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2784 2011-05-11 19:25:32 <gjs278> tmpfs only sucks up ram for space that is being used
2785 2011-05-11 19:25:42 <BlueMatt> but it should only use what space is being used on it right?
2786 2011-05-11 19:25:46 <BlueMatt> I only have like 1g stored in tmpfs
2787 2011-05-11 19:26:16 thedarkone has joined
2788 2011-05-11 19:26:41 <gjs278> how much memory does each vm get and how many of them are there
2789 2011-05-11 19:26:48 <gjs278> like 2gb total for all of the vms?
2790 2011-05-11 19:27:00 <thedarkone> hello,can someone explain to me whats this bitcoin thing?
2791 2011-05-11 19:27:06 <BlueMatt> no 2gb for win7 vm and often a linux vm or two with 1g or 1.5 each
2792 2011-05-11 19:27:17 <BlueMatt> thedarkone: probably better to ask on #bitcoin
2793 2011-05-11 19:27:32 <thedarkone> sry i found this on the bit coin wiki
2794 2011-05-11 19:27:50 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: I still wonder why it is thrashing disk for a couple minutes before killing anything
2795 2011-05-11 19:27:54 <gjs278> when I have my vm open for windows xp I give it 2gb of ram and the second I give it any work I can see all 2gb of it being considered "in use"
2796 2011-05-11 19:27:55 thedarkone has left ()
2797 2011-05-11 19:27:58 <BlueMatt> (with no swap)
2798 2011-05-11 19:28:22 <gjs278> when my ssd was failing
2799 2011-05-11 19:28:25 <gjs278> my io would stuck
2800 2011-05-11 19:28:28 <gjs278> like no writes would go through
2801 2011-05-11 19:28:31 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: no swap... or you disabled swap in the middle of all that?  that would force a swap->ram dump of tmpfs contents.
2802 2011-05-11 19:28:38 <BlueMatt> if it killed something instantly I wouldnt mind at all, but spending 10 minutes waiting for it to kill is kinda anoying
2803 2011-05-11 19:28:42 <gjs278> and eventually I would crash but that was obvious because I would lose plenty of files
2804 2011-05-11 19:28:50 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: without swap, tmpfs becomes ramfs, and simply kills everything by filling up all pages
2805 2011-05-11 19:28:56 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: no, I deleted swap partition after this happened the first couple times
2806 2011-05-11 19:29:06 <lupine_85> presumably oomkiller is coming in
2807 2011-05-11 19:29:12 <BlueMatt> its only 1g stored in tmpfs
2808 2011-05-11 19:29:28 <jgarzik> ramfs stores directly in page cache, it's not a process that gets oom-killed
2809 2011-05-11 19:29:43 sethsethseth__ has joined
2810 2011-05-11 19:29:49 <BlueMatt> how does oomkiller coming in take 10 minutes of disk-thrashing?
2811 2011-05-11 19:29:53 <jgarzik> you just eat memory until your network driver cannot allocate new memory for packets, your SATA driver cannot allocate new memory for disk requests, ...
2812 2011-05-11 19:30:01 Incitatus has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2813 2011-05-11 19:30:23 <BlueMatt> which I have no problem with as long as it just kills my vm or something quickly
2814 2011-05-11 19:30:39 <BlueMatt> but...10 minutes just to get it to kill my memory-hogs?
2815 2011-05-11 19:30:57 sethsethseth has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2816 2011-05-11 19:31:30 <gjs278> buy more
2817 2011-05-11 19:31:32 <gjs278> ram owns
2818 2011-05-11 19:31:38 <BlueMatt> doing that right now...
2819 2011-05-11 19:32:12 caedes has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2820 2011-05-11 19:32:23 <mosimo> how long does it usually take to send 0.1btc to a bitcoind server?
2821 2011-05-11 19:32:30 <mosimo> been waiting almost an hour now for it to show up
2822 2011-05-11 19:32:50 <gjs278> did you pay a transaction fee on it
2823 2011-05-11 19:33:09 <BlueMatt> is it showing up as unconfirmed or not at all?
2824 2011-05-11 19:33:19 <mosimo> i dont have one set in bitcoind,sent it from mybitcoin.com
2825 2011-05-11 19:33:36 <mosimo> im just doing ./bitcoind getbalance
2826 2011-05-11 19:33:57 <TD> jgarzik: happy with the answers?
2827 2011-05-11 19:34:05 <mosimo> just showing 0, unless there is another command to show uncomfirmed payments?
2828 2011-05-11 19:34:07 <BlueMatt> so probably just unconfirmed, does it show up on bitcoincharts?
2829 2011-05-11 19:34:30 <lupine_85> the oomkiller algorithm is a bit poor. it kills processes more or less randomly
2830 2011-05-11 19:34:32 <mosimo> not checked bitcoincharts
2831 2011-05-11 19:34:39 justanotheruser has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2832 2011-05-11 19:34:56 <mosimo> getting 502 bad gateway on the site so can't look
2833 2011-05-11 19:34:58 <BlueMatt> ArtForzZz: where do you buy your pc parts?
2834 2011-05-11 19:35:10 <jrmithdobbs> lupine_85: there's some patches that improve it, not sure if they ever made it into mainline
2835 2011-05-11 19:35:14 <mosimo> ill just keep checking in a bit and see if it turns up
2836 2011-05-11 19:35:14 <BlueMatt> ah, yes does appear to be down
2837 2011-05-11 19:35:42 <lupine_85> not been keeping track, really
2838 2011-05-11 19:35:45 BCBot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2839 2011-05-11 19:35:57 <jrmithdobbs> lupine_85: i think they did but aren't turned on by default or something like that
2840 2011-05-11 19:35:58 <gjs278> BlueMatt newegg has 10% off all corsair memory today
2841 2011-05-11 19:36:10 <BlueMatt> gjs278: newegg doesnt ship to germany
2842 2011-05-11 19:36:13 <gjs278> oh ok
2843 2011-05-11 19:36:16 <BlueMatt> its not _that_ bad, it does try to figure out what it should kill
2844 2011-05-11 19:36:41 <BlueMatt> better than random
2845 2011-05-11 19:36:51 cdecker has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2846 2011-05-11 19:36:52 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
2847 2011-05-11 19:38:08 cdecker has joined
2848 2011-05-11 19:38:30 theymos has joined
2849 2011-05-11 19:42:46 BCBot has joined
2850 2011-05-11 19:43:23 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
2851 2011-05-11 19:46:05 pygy has joined
2852 2011-05-11 19:48:16 <jgarzik> TD: s/answers/results/ yes :)
2853 2011-05-11 19:48:50 <jgarzik> TD: from my perspective a lot of people have different ideas about client mode, and how lightweight clients might behave, and what protocol changes are needed.  I wanted to start getting that down somewhere.
2854 2011-05-11 19:49:02 <TD> yeah
2855 2011-05-11 19:49:07 maikmerten has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2856 2011-05-11 19:49:09 <Diablo-D3> wbahahah
2857 2011-05-11 19:49:14 <Diablo-D3> I just tried pheonix
2858 2011-05-11 19:49:25 <Diablo-D3> vectors worksize=128 bfi_int
2859 2011-05-11 19:49:33 <Diablo-D3> it gets about 271
2860 2011-05-11 19:49:40 <jgarzik> TD: in general I view my role as mainly poking, prodding and strawmanning myself and others into action :)
2861 2011-05-11 19:49:44 RazielZ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2862 2011-05-11 19:49:46 <Diablo-D3> my miner, -v -w 128, no bfi yet, does 273.
2863 2011-05-11 19:49:47 <Diablo-D3> bwhahahahah
2864 2011-05-11 19:49:49 <Diablo-D3> ultrafail
2865 2011-05-11 19:49:51 <TD> makes sense :)
2866 2011-05-11 19:49:55 <gjs278> what agression did you set
2867 2011-05-11 19:49:56 Aahzmundus has joined
2868 2011-05-11 19:50:06 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: I dunno, whats the default?
2869 2011-05-11 19:50:11 <gjs278> not sure
2870 2011-05-11 19:50:18 <jgarzik> one of Andrew Morton's favorite things to do, on the kernel list, is to post an _obviously_ wrong patch, that solves a certain problem in a way that is not satisfactory to most parties
2871 2011-05-11 19:50:20 <gjs278> but I think they demand like agression=13 to make it max
2872 2011-05-11 19:50:24 <gjs278> which I have no idea what that means
2873 2011-05-11 19:50:26 Speeder has quit (Quit: Speeder)
2874 2011-05-11 19:50:26 diki has joined
2875 2011-05-11 19:50:26 <jgarzik> people get so annoyed, they do it the right way
2876 2011-05-11 19:50:27 <gjs278> frames is so much easier
2877 2011-05-11 19:50:34 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: agression sets a fixed size
2878 2011-05-11 19:50:46 <gjs278> what is agression 13 vs 10 though
2879 2011-05-11 19:50:49 <jgarzik> that's why andrew is #2 linux guy, after Linus
2880 2011-05-11 19:50:50 <jgarzik> :)
2881 2011-05-11 19:50:51 <Diablo-D3> its like 2^
2882 2011-05-11 19:50:51 <Diablo-D3> er
2883 2011-05-11 19:50:52 <diki> does poclbm take BFI_INT as an argument or is it on by default?
2884 2011-05-11 19:50:54 <Diablo-D3> 2^x
2885 2011-05-11 19:50:59 <gjs278> I can't do exponents
2886 2011-05-11 19:51:13 <Diablo-D3> its pretty fucking small
2887 2011-05-11 19:51:19 <gjs278> I think poclbm does bfi_int by default if it can
2888 2011-05-11 19:51:26 <gjs278> unless I've been not using it all this time
2889 2011-05-11 19:51:40 <Diablo-D3> with agression 11, I get 273.
2890 2011-05-11 19:51:46 <TD> jgarzik: works great as long as people have time to do it right :) otherwise the wrong patch has a risk of being accepted
2891 2011-05-11 19:51:51 <diki> Oh, jgarzik, you watch Linus Tech Tips as well?
2892 2011-05-11 19:51:56 <Diablo-D3> failnix VECTORS WORKSIZE=128 BFI_INT AGRESSION=11 = 273
2893 2011-05-11 19:52:04 <diki> and the mysterious camera man :D
2894 2011-05-11 19:52:07 <jgarzik> diki: ?
2895 2011-05-11 19:52:13 <diki> you sayd Linus
2896 2011-05-11 19:52:16 <diki> *said
2897 2011-05-11 19:52:22 <Diablo-D3> diablominer -v -w 128 -f 60 no bfi = 273
2898 2011-05-11 19:52:26 <diki> he is a guy on youtube
2899 2011-05-11 19:52:29 <Diablo-D3> you have no clue how hilarious that is
2900 2011-05-11 19:52:30 <jgarzik> diki: I'm a kernel dev.  I email Linus on a regular basis :)
2901 2011-05-11 19:52:43 <jgarzik> TD: everybody is smart enough not to do that :)
2902 2011-05-11 19:52:47 <TD> heh
2903 2011-05-11 19:52:48 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: then tell Linus to quit being a fag and get rid of CFS already
2904 2011-05-11 19:52:51 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: and fire mingo
2905 2011-05-11 19:53:11 TheKid has joined
2906 2011-05-11 19:53:12 TheKid has quit (Changing host)
2907 2011-05-11 19:53:12 TheKid has joined
2908 2011-05-11 19:54:52 Xunie has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2909 2011-05-11 19:56:00 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: well we need a ton of that so...
2910 2011-05-11 20:02:01 vorlov has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2911 2011-05-11 20:03:52 Pander has joined
2912 2011-05-11 20:04:34 Teslah has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2913 2011-05-11 20:07:56 <diki> i'ce seen people refer a kernel to being a loop(for,while etc) and the other is the os bridge between apps and hardware
2914 2011-05-11 20:08:04 <diki> *i've
2915 2011-05-11 20:09:04 <sipa> ...
2916 2011-05-11 20:09:18 <phantomcircuit> wat
2917 2011-05-11 20:09:29 <TD> analogy http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/000/028/failgull.jpg?1229113036
2918 2011-05-11 20:09:47 <diki> i said i've seen
2919 2011-05-11 20:09:51 <gjs278> http://www.reece-eu.net/gallery/var/albums/funny/turtle-wat.jpg?m=1272638393
2920 2011-05-11 20:10:12 m00p has joined
2921 2011-05-11 20:10:24 sytse has joined
2922 2011-05-11 20:10:28 <diki> I've specifically seen people who made miners(like poclbm) refer to a part of a program as the kernel
2923 2011-05-11 20:11:01 bitcoiner has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830])
2924 2011-05-11 20:11:04 <diki> A brief topic change http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY
2925 2011-05-11 20:11:04 <BlueMatt> thats because its the opencl kernel which runs on the gpu
2926 2011-05-11 20:11:31 acfrazier has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
2927 2011-05-11 20:11:42 <gjs278> youtube freaks out on my x86_64 flash
2928 2011-05-11 20:11:42 <sipa> kernel is a normal english word, analoguous to core - it's used for all kinds of things in technical jargon
2929 2011-05-11 20:11:58 <gjs278> videos crash after watching them one time
2930 2011-05-11 20:12:01 <diki> Youtube sucks
2931 2011-05-11 20:12:04 <gjs278> and I get a dmesg for the flashplugin
2932 2011-05-11 20:12:06 <gjs278> youtube owns
2933 2011-05-11 20:12:06 <diki> oops
2934 2011-05-11 20:12:09 <diki> i meant flash sucks
2935 2011-05-11 20:12:19 <diki> scratch the YT sucks word...yt rules
2936 2011-05-11 20:12:27 <diki> or...rulzzz as they sale
2937 2011-05-11 20:12:35 * diki can't write today
2938 2011-05-11 20:12:51 <diki> *say
2939 2011-05-11 20:12:57 <sipa> http://msosanko.wikispaces.com/file/view/you-rock-you-rule.jpg/156773043/you-rock-you-rule.jpg
2940 2011-05-11 20:13:29 <Pander> you've all seen this? http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/05/06/1940220/Writing-Linux-Kernel-Functions-In-CUDA-With-KGPU
2941 2011-05-11 20:13:32 <diki> I actually switched from dling music to watching it on YT
2942 2011-05-11 20:14:16 <diki> HTML5 should kill flash once and for all
2943 2011-05-11 20:15:17 <phantomcircuit> Pander, that is a bad idea on so many levels
2944 2011-05-11 20:15:28 gdoteof has left ()
2945 2011-05-11 20:15:31 <gjs278> my cpu has aes acceleration its good enough
2946 2011-05-11 20:16:17 <diki> My P4 gets killed by flash and i remember there was no such thing with Flash Player 9
2947 2011-05-11 20:16:20 <phantomcircuit> BUT THAT COULD BE TAINTED BY EVIL INTEL
2948 2011-05-11 20:16:26 <phantomcircuit> ^ actual argument from commentor on /.
2949 2011-05-11 20:16:29 <gjs278> yeah
2950 2011-05-11 20:16:33 <gjs278> I saw that one
2951 2011-05-11 20:16:47 <gjs278> like intel would waste their entire aes accelerated secrets on me
2952 2011-05-11 20:16:58 Teslah has joined
2953 2011-05-11 20:17:15 <diki> if you give them 300-400k bitcoins they might ;)
2954 2011-05-11 20:17:27 lyspooner has joined
2955 2011-05-11 20:17:50 <gjs278> I'm referring more to if I encrypted something using intel's aes
2956 2011-05-11 20:17:58 <gjs278> and the president needed to decrypt it
2957 2011-05-11 20:18:08 <gjs278> using intels secret backdoor
2958 2011-05-11 20:18:38 <phantomcircuit> not to mention it's trivial to verify that the aes file is correct
2959 2011-05-11 20:18:40 <diki> intel's secret doors are processors many times faster than sandy bridge
2960 2011-05-11 20:18:52 <lfm> gjs278: if you encrypt anything using any implementation of aes ... the intel one is not spcial
2961 2011-05-11 20:18:58 <gjs278> I know
2962 2011-05-11 20:19:01 <jrabbit> yeah you'd hope that keeping backdoors secret is more valuable than your information
2963 2011-05-11 20:19:37 Pander has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110422050619])
2964 2011-05-11 20:20:19 <diki> after exploring push pool a bit more...i think in order for it to be implemented in a custom frontend..i.e the website etc, it might need additional code
2965 2011-05-11 20:20:39 Herodes has joined
2966 2011-05-11 20:20:56 <[Tycho]> Who is the author of BBE ?
2967 2011-05-11 20:21:04 <diki> bbe?
2968 2011-05-11 20:21:14 <sipa> theymos
2969 2011-05-11 20:21:35 _Silverpike_ has joined
2970 2011-05-11 20:21:37 <theymos> Why?
2971 2011-05-11 20:21:42 <[Tycho]> Difficulty value on his site is not the same as reported by bitcoind
2972 2011-05-11 20:21:43 <diki> Long way to go: Round Duration: 12:27:42
2973 2011-05-11 20:21:52 <theymos> Where?
2974 2011-05-11 20:22:00 larsivi has joined
2975 2011-05-11 20:22:02 <lfm> [Tycho]: how close is it?
2976 2011-05-11 20:22:08 whoami is now known as afk!~lulzplzkt@irc.darchoods.net|lulzplzkthx
2977 2011-05-11 20:22:20 <[Tycho]> theymos, http://blockexplorer.com/block/0000000000000ed8ed4fc143832f8ff6bb6f02970d0a932ebcee7b3630b52830
2978 2011-05-11 20:22:30 <[Tycho]> "157416.401843"
2979 2011-05-11 20:22:38 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
2980 2011-05-11 20:22:40 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123350 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1641 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 13 hours, 34 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 210064.06469277
2981 2011-05-11 20:22:40 <diki> hey i remember this block
2982 2011-05-11 20:22:47 <[Tycho]> ~10
2983 2011-05-11 20:22:48 <diki> some idiot generated it for 23 seconds
2984 2011-05-11 20:23:11 <phantomcircuit> [Tycho], it's a rounding error caused by the RPC api iirc
2985 2011-05-11 20:23:23 <[Tycho]> Why 23 seconds ?
2986 2011-05-11 20:23:30 <theymos> [Tycho]: My bitcoind gives me a different value. Maybe the code was changed with new versions. I'm using 0.3.19.
2987 2011-05-11 20:23:53 <diki> oh sorry, seems 23 shares were contributed, not 23 seconds
2988 2011-05-11 20:23:55 <[Tycho]> Actually it was generated in less than a 1/10 of a second.
2989 2011-05-11 20:24:07 Silverpike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2990 2011-05-11 20:24:09 <Herodes> Ok, I have a couple of 0.5 BTC transactions (one with only 0.5 and the other 0.51 with a 0.01 fee atached), not much money by any stretch, but still it is a bitch worrysomme when it comes to trust in the protocol itself. The're been 17 hours now. Those are still 0/unconfirmed 17hrs after I initiated them. I have recieved other payments after I attempted to do these, so my client does work. Anyone else had this? The transfers are als
2991 2011-05-11 20:24:09 <Herodes> o deducted from my total amount, but still showing as unconfirmed send orders after 17 hrs.
2992 2011-05-11 20:24:10 <diki> If only i knew who the guy was, i'd beat the crap out of him
2993 2011-05-11 20:24:17 <lfm> probably the difference between float and double
2994 2011-05-11 20:24:58 <[Tycho]> diki, how do you know the number of shares ?
2995 2011-05-11 20:25:07 <diki> it says it on your website lol
2996 2011-05-11 20:25:13 <theymos> Difficulty is pretty close, so I'll just leave it.
2997 2011-05-11 20:25:15 <[Tycho]> lfm, the number is too small for this.
2998 2011-05-11 20:25:18 <phantomcircuit> lfm, no it has to do with the compact representation used in the block headers vs the more accurate calculation based on time
2999 2011-05-11 20:25:29 <sipa> very strange that it differs
3000 2011-05-11 20:25:36 <[Tycho]> diki, do you remember all the hashes ? :)
3001 2011-05-11 20:25:53 <diki> No, it was just a coincidence that i looked at that hash
3002 2011-05-11 20:25:57 docl has joined
3003 2011-05-11 20:25:58 <diki> because i got nothing in prop
3004 2011-05-11 20:26:01 <lfm> [Tycho]: huh? float is like 5 or 5 digit accuracy?
3005 2011-05-11 20:26:15 <lfm> 6
3006 2011-05-11 20:26:38 <sipa> 7
3007 2011-05-11 20:27:02 <molecular> over 9000
3008 2011-05-11 20:27:13 <[Tycho]> diki, one of the shares was mine :)
3009 2011-05-11 20:27:14 <sipa> 32-bit floats have 7 decimal digits accuracy, 64-bit floats have 15 (almost 16)
3010 2011-05-11 20:27:14 <phantomcircuit> depends on the implementation and it's not accurate to a digit's place
3011 2011-05-11 20:27:24 bitcoiner has joined
3012 2011-05-11 20:27:32 <diki> did you generate the block?
3013 2011-05-11 20:27:36 <[Tycho]> No.
3014 2011-05-11 20:27:49 <diki> Then everything is fine ;)
3015 2011-05-11 20:28:00 <[Tycho]> Last block generated by me is http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000010b855f70b2326af5e8d1dd1138ccc98ac4e27f64665b9277e5c
3016 2011-05-11 20:28:16 <[Tycho]> It doesn't matters who generated it.
3017 2011-05-11 20:28:44 <diki> It does...cause he did it way fast...and i got nothing in prop cause of em
3018 2011-05-11 20:28:47 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: does your pool payout the additional decimal places?
3019 2011-05-11 20:28:48 <diki> And i know it's a guy
3020 2011-05-11 20:29:08 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt, nanocents ?
3021 2011-05-11 20:29:27 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: yea if my balance is 0.985 do I only get 0.98?
3022 2011-05-11 20:29:36 agricocb has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
3023 2011-05-11 20:29:45 <diki> So tycho, the live support; i havent seen it in a while
3024 2011-05-11 20:30:00 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt, yes, but 0.005 is not lost.
3025 2011-05-11 20:30:10 darkskiez has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3026 2011-05-11 20:30:11 <BlueMatt> no, I know, I just wondered if you paid it
3027 2011-05-11 20:30:14 <[Tycho]> It will be accumulated on your balance.
3028 2011-05-11 20:30:18 <BlueMatt> do you have any plans on paying it?
3029 2011-05-11 20:30:40 <[Tycho]> Why ? It may cause losses.
3030 2011-05-11 20:30:50 <lfm> ok ya float should still be 157416. someone goofed
3031 2011-05-11 20:31:10 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: it might be nice for those who are looking on getting out of the mining business
3032 2011-05-11 20:31:17 <[Tycho]> But I may add option to do this because nanocents are not so cheap already :)
3033 2011-05-11 20:31:19 <theymos> http://blockexplorer.com/q/getdifficulty gets difficulty by running RPC getdifficulty, so it's definitely a change in Bitcoin.
3034 2011-05-11 20:31:28 <diki> I tried using curl to send a file to a free host...it keeps giving me 403 forbidden; the browser has no such error
3035 2011-05-11 20:31:30 <diki> Any ideas?
3036 2011-05-11 20:31:32 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: can be optional, of course
3037 2011-05-11 20:31:37 <molecular> Herodes, "I have a couple of 0.5 BTC transactions (one with only 0.5 and the other 0.51 with a 0.01 fee atached)" <- do you have the tx id of that one with the fee?
3038 2011-05-11 20:32:16 <[Tycho]> Sending nanocents each time is not a good idea. Someone will surely complain about his lost or hidden money.
3039 2011-05-11 20:32:18 <molecular> Herodes, maybe you can locate it there: http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
3040 2011-05-11 20:32:27 <jgarzik> Pull request created: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/218
3041 2011-05-11 20:32:32 <jgarzik> decreases tx fee to 0.0005 BTC
3042 2011-05-11 20:32:39 <diki> this is the guy 1NBG8sqSh632Fa81HRm39tsMEvmgpU9rgZ
3043 2011-05-11 20:33:05 <diki> requesting 0,01
3044 2011-05-11 20:33:39 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: cool
3045 2011-05-11 20:33:43 <[Tycho]> I'm not sure, but i think that even luke is not doing this anymore
3046 2011-05-11 20:34:02 tcoppi has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
3047 2011-05-11 20:34:24 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: well it would be nice imho, but its up to you
3048 2011-05-11 20:34:33 <sipa> jgarzik: nice, remarkably simple patch :)
3049 2011-05-11 20:35:06 <lulzplzkthx> I really wish I had saved my money awhile ago instead of gambling it away...
3050 2011-05-11 20:35:14 <lulzplzkthx> i would have made $69 just by saving it from 2 weeks ago
3051 2011-05-11 20:35:23 <lulzplzkthx> 30btc.
3052 2011-05-11 20:35:31 theymos has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
3053 2011-05-11 20:35:33 <diki> What would happen if you changed static const int64 COIN = 100000000; to static int64 COIN = 100000000;
3054 2011-05-11 20:35:46 <lulzplzkthx> it wouldn't be a constant.
3055 2011-05-11 20:35:48 fimp has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
3056 2011-05-11 20:35:52 <phantomcircuit> lulzplzkthx, ++
3057 2011-05-11 20:35:57 tcoppi has joined
3058 2011-05-11 20:36:03 <diki> right, but what would happen to the program then?
3059 2011-05-11 20:36:04 <jgarzik> lulzplzkthx ++
3060 2011-05-11 20:36:32 <lyspooner> i could have [saved/lost/made] X if I had only [bought/sold/not bought/not sold] Y bitcoins on date D
3061 2011-05-11 20:36:38 <molecular> diki, it might be slower
3062 2011-05-11 20:36:38 <lulzplzkthx> err, depends, i'm not sure how the app is written. you would then be able to write to the variable later in the script, i believe. as it currently stands you can't becuase you don't need to.
3063 2011-05-11 20:36:38 <diki> i had a function sendfile which took char* handle as an argument
3064 2011-05-11 20:36:43 <lulzplzkthx> a constant is a variable that's meant to stay the same.
3065 2011-05-11 20:36:48 <diki> it did not work, changing it to const char* handle made it work...why?
3066 2011-05-11 20:36:50 <lulzplzkthx> as molecular said, it also is a bit more efficient / quicker
3067 2011-05-11 20:37:11 <BlueMatt> diki: you might want to look up an online c++ introduction
3068 2011-05-11 20:37:20 <diki> believe me i've looked.
3069 2011-05-11 20:37:40 <lulzplzkthx> Constants are fairly basic C++, diki.
3070 2011-05-11 20:37:43 <molecular> diki, you'd have to show us that code
3071 2011-05-11 20:37:59 <BlueMatt> www.cplusplus.com has been pretty good to me the past couple weeks
3072 2011-05-11 20:38:03 <molecular> if it works with a const char*, it should work the same with a char*
3073 2011-05-11 20:38:12 <diki> nope, didnt work with char*
3074 2011-05-11 20:38:19 <lulzplzkthx> diki: Don't believe you. :P
3075 2011-05-11 20:38:24 <lulzplzkthx> You botched something else.
3076 2011-05-11 20:38:32 <jgarzik> molecular: well...
3077 2011-05-11 20:38:32 <molecular> lulzplzkthx, I don't believe it either
3078 2011-05-11 20:38:34 <sipa> well if you have a const char* as variable
3079 2011-05-11 20:38:40 <sipa> and you want to pass it to a function
3080 2011-05-11 20:38:43 <molecular> well, in that case it's as argument
3081 2011-05-11 20:38:46 <sipa> that is declared to take a char*
3082 2011-05-11 20:38:49 <sipa> it won't work
3083 2011-05-11 20:38:52 <lyspooner> my client isn't finding connections, though it's been up for 30 minutes.  any suggestions?
3084 2011-05-11 20:38:57 <molecular> oh, yes. it wont even compile
3085 2011-05-11 20:39:00 <lulzplzkthx> Eh, you win.
3086 2011-05-11 20:39:08 <sipa> and changing that declaration to const char* will make it work
3087 2011-05-11 20:39:13 <sipa> so diki may be right
3088 2011-05-11 20:39:13 darkskiez has joined
3089 2011-05-11 20:39:19 <diki> oh no, it compiled with char*, but changing it to const char made it work
3090 2011-05-11 20:39:21 <molecular> "work" as in "compile fine"
3091 2011-05-11 20:39:33 <sipa> that's strange
3092 2011-05-11 20:39:35 <phantomcircuit> lyspooner, what version?
3093 2011-05-11 20:39:35 <diki> work as in actually doing what it should
3094 2011-05-11 20:39:44 <molecular> yes, that's probably the case, but it such a case the compiler usually clearly says: "expecting const here"
3095 2011-05-11 20:39:47 <sipa> const doesn't change any semantics, it only causes the compiler to complain
3096 2011-05-11 20:39:57 <lyspooner> 0.3.20.2
3097 2011-05-11 20:40:04 <molecular> diki, don't you have that code? I'd like to see it
3098 2011-05-11 20:40:09 <sipa> lyspooner: use -addnode
3099 2011-05-11 20:40:13 <sipa> or -dnsseed
3100 2011-05-11 20:40:27 <sipa> oh wait, dnsseed is only in 0.3.21, i believe
3101 2011-05-11 20:40:43 <nanotube> jgarzik: re: your patch... eventually, min tx value will also be less than 1 cent (if things continue apace)
3102 2011-05-11 20:40:50 <nanotube> jgarzik: maybe need to separate that part from CENT as well
3103 2011-05-11 20:41:25 <sipa> i agree
3104 2011-05-11 20:41:42 <diki> codee
3105 2011-05-11 20:41:43 <diki> http://pastebin.com/z1Cp3hRh
3106 2011-05-11 20:42:20 <diki> Oops, double included string header(not that it was a problem tho)
3107 2011-05-11 20:46:39 <molecular> diki, and where do you call "sendfile(..)"?
3108 2011-05-11 20:46:48 <diki> in my main function?
3109 2011-05-11 20:47:35 <TD> why are there so many low priority transactions?
3110 2011-05-11 20:47:38 <molecular> whereever it "doesn't work when you use char*"
3111 2011-05-11 20:48:03 tabsa has joined
3112 2011-05-11 20:48:24 <jgarzik> nanotube: makes sense, but let's keep that separate from these commits
3113 2011-05-11 20:48:26 <jgarzik> sipa: ^^
3114 2011-05-11 20:49:55 AnonX has joined
3115 2011-05-11 20:49:55 <nanotube> jgarzik: yea i guess '1 thing per pull request' is a good goal. :)
3116 2011-05-11 20:50:06 <nanotube> jgarzik: what about calling the var MIN_TX_FEE to be more descriptive?
3117 2011-05-11 20:50:11 gavinandresen has joined
3118 2011-05-11 20:50:24 <jgarzik> I can rename to MIN_TX_FEE
3119 2011-05-11 20:52:11 marlowe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3120 2011-05-11 20:57:23 <molecular> diki: my compiler warns "sendfile.cpp:41: warning: cannot pass objects of non-POD type ‘struct std::string’ through ‘...’" and proggy aborts at runtime with "illegal instruction". I used "curl_easy_setopt(curl, CURLOPT_URL, link.c_str()); " for line 41. now it compiles and runs fine
3121 2011-05-11 20:57:29 <jgarzik> updated pull request
3122 2011-05-11 20:57:50 <jgarzik> Anybody wanna help test git://github.com/jgarzik/bitcoin.git fee-update ?
3123 2011-05-11 20:58:28 <jgarzik> "Update TX fee to 0.0005 BTC" https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/218
3124 2011-05-11 20:58:31 <molecular> diki, removing the const in line 11: "int sendfile(char* handle, std::string link)" changes nothing. still compiles and runs fine
3125 2011-05-11 20:59:08 <molecular> diki, only thing that changes is compiler warning about deprecated conversion form string constant to char *
3126 2011-05-11 20:59:12 jivvz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3127 2011-05-11 20:59:31 <BlueMatt> encprivkeys branch getting really close, might finish it tomorrow :)
3128 2011-05-11 20:59:33 <BlueMatt> gnight all
3129 2011-05-11 21:00:05 <andrew12> jgarzik: depends... what do i need to do to help test? :P
3130 2011-05-11 21:00:40 <diki> VS 2010 warns me of no such things
3131 2011-05-11 21:00:47 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: gn
3132 2011-05-11 21:01:37 <jgarzik> andrew12: build bitcoin, and sent a TX with and without a fee, make sure things work as expected.  can test on mainnet, but you probably want to test on testnet.
3133 2011-05-11 21:01:57 <andrew12> sounds like a plan
3134 2011-05-11 21:02:19 <[Tycho]> theymos, so which is real difficulty ? :)
3135 2011-05-11 21:04:16 caedes has joined
3136 2011-05-11 21:04:56 <lyspooner> sipa: i'm afraid i need to be walked through the process like a child if you are willing to help
3137 2011-05-11 21:05:49 <sipa> lyspooner: you're familiar with starting bitcoin on the command line?
3138 2011-05-11 21:06:31 danbri has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
3139 2011-05-11 21:06:43 <andrew12> heh
3140 2011-05-11 21:08:38 <sytse> shiit
3141 2011-05-11 21:08:40 <sytse> over $5?
3142 2011-05-11 21:08:42 <sytse> ridiculous
3143 2011-05-11 21:09:31 Incitatus has joined
3144 2011-05-11 21:09:36 <andrew12> hm
3145 2011-05-11 21:09:49 <andrew12> why is bitcoin still using berkeley db 4.7?
3146 2011-05-11 21:09:51 <andrew12> >_<
3147 2011-05-11 21:10:04 <sytse> it's berkeley db
3148 2011-05-11 21:10:07 <sytse> people are still using 3 :P
3149 2011-05-11 21:10:11 pygy has quit (Quit: Page closed)
3150 2011-05-11 21:10:31 <andrew12> why are people using it at all? :|
3151 2011-05-11 21:10:39 <sytse> good question
3152 2011-05-11 21:10:48 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
3153 2011-05-11 21:10:52 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123356 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1635 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 209657.45502306
3154 2011-05-11 21:10:59 <luke-jr> andrew12: what? BDB?>
3155 2011-05-11 21:11:11 <andrew12> luke-jr: yes...
3156 2011-05-11 21:11:18 duosrx has joined
3157 2011-05-11 21:11:19 <luke-jr> because there's nothing better for the job?
3158 2011-05-11 21:11:27 <diki> anyway..only a week when the new dif comes?
3159 2011-05-11 21:11:31 <andrew12> there isn't?
3160 2011-05-11 21:11:50 <andrew12> huh
3161 2011-05-11 21:11:55 Herodes has quit (Quit: I'll be back)
3162 2011-05-11 21:11:58 <andrew12> diff always goes up by 50000 it seems
3163 2011-05-11 21:12:13 <sytse> don't say 'sqlite' now andrew12! ;-)
3164 2011-05-11 21:12:16 <diki> let's see
3165 2011-05-11 21:12:25 <jgarzik> an sql database just means a fancy wrapper on top of bdb-like b-tree and hash indexes
3166 2011-05-11 21:12:34 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 600000 209657.45502306
3167 2011-05-11 21:12:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 209657.45502306, is 2 weeks, 3 days, 8 hours, 53 minutes, and 6 seconds
3168 2011-05-11 21:12:44 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 1000000 209657.45502306
3169 2011-05-11 21:12:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 209657.45502306, is 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 51 seconds
3170 2011-05-11 21:12:48 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 1000000
3171 2011-05-11 21:12:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 0 seconds
3172 2011-05-11 21:12:54 <diki> the 5970 just got killed
3173 2011-05-11 21:12:55 <andrew12> that's 1ghash
3174 2011-05-11 21:12:56 <andrew12> wow.
3175 2011-05-11 21:12:59 <luke-jr> jgarzik: would anything bad happen if I only reset extraNonce every 5 minutes?
3176 2011-05-11 21:13:20 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I haven't studied the problem enough to know off the top of my head
3177 2011-05-11 21:13:20 <andrew12> i didn't realize how much it went up
3178 2011-05-11 21:13:38 <andrew12> i was going to try mining for a while to see if i get lucky
3179 2011-05-11 21:13:39 <sipa> luke-jr: how much is it now?
3180 2011-05-11 21:13:40 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 270000 209657.45502306
3181 2011-05-11 21:13:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 270000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 209657.45502306, is 5 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 24 minutes, and 41 seconds
3182 2011-05-11 21:13:46 <luke-jr> sipa: every second
3183 2011-05-11 21:13:52 <sytse> andrew12: me too, haven't generated 50 btc since
3184 2011-05-11 21:13:55 <jgarzik> As long as price keeps shooting up, miners will buy and turn on new hardware.
3185 2011-05-11 21:14:01 <jgarzik> GPU miners will cheer for their 0.01 BTC
3186 2011-05-11 21:14:03 <sytse> all bitcoins I have were generated over half a year ago
3187 2011-05-11 21:14:03 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 7000
3188 2011-05-11 21:14:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 7000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 3 years, 3 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 58 minutes, and 6 seconds
3189 2011-05-11 21:14:06 <jgarzik> which will be worth $1000
3190 2011-05-11 21:14:21 <luke-jr> my 5850 generates more USD today than it did when I got it
3191 2011-05-11 21:14:33 <diki> huh? at this dif?
3192 2011-05-11 21:14:38 <sipa> luke-jr: can you tell me the +- line number?
3193 2011-05-11 21:14:39 <diki> how much mhahs you get?
3194 2011-05-11 21:14:41 <luke-jr> diki: check the market
3195 2011-05-11 21:14:45 <luke-jr> 298
3196 2011-05-11 21:14:46 larsivi has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
3197 2011-05-11 21:14:51 <diki> OCed?
3198 2011-05-11 21:14:51 <sytse> jgarzik: only if ridiculously many people get interested
3199 2011-05-11 21:14:55 <luke-jr> sipa: 3,451 on my current branch
3200 2011-05-11 21:14:57 <luke-jr> diki: no
3201 2011-05-11 21:14:57 agricocb has joined
3202 2011-05-11 21:14:59 <andrew12> jgarzik: by then you'll be swimming in a pool of bitcoins
3203 2011-05-11 21:15:00 agricocb has quit (Changing host)
3204 2011-05-11 21:15:00 agricocb has joined
3205 2011-05-11 21:15:07 <diki> then how come i do only 270?
3206 2011-05-11 21:15:09 <sytse> ultimately market price is going to dominate over mining price I guess
3207 2011-05-11 21:15:12 <luke-jr> diki: old poclbm?
3208 2011-05-11 21:15:19 <luke-jr> diki: or maybe you use it for video output too?
3209 2011-05-11 21:15:27 <diki> yes i do use it
3210 2011-05-11 21:15:33 <luke-jr> that's why then
3211 2011-05-11 21:15:40 <diki> how old poclbm?
3212 2011-05-11 21:15:46 <andrew12> what's the debian package for miniupnpc/miniwget.h
3213 2011-05-11 21:15:49 <luke-jr> whatever the last git commit was
3214 2011-05-11 21:16:01 <luke-jr> andrew12: IIRC it's only in unstable
3215 2011-05-11 21:16:04 roconnor has joined
3216 2011-05-11 21:16:06 <andrew12> wtf
3217 2011-05-11 21:16:38 <andrew12> is there a way to make it not compile in upnp? because this is a vps...
3218 2011-05-11 21:16:41 <roconnor> sipa, gribble: hi ya
3219 2011-05-11 21:16:56 <luke-jr> andrew12: make USE_UPNP=
3220 2011-05-11 21:17:11 <luke-jr> andrew12: also, squeeze-backports has libminiupnpc-dev
3221 2011-05-11 21:17:18 <luke-jr> but better to just disable it on a VPS
3222 2011-05-11 21:17:25 <andrew12> uh
3223 2011-05-11 21:17:32 <sipa> luke-jr: quite sure it won't make a difference
3224 2011-05-11 21:17:43 <andrew12> adding USE_UPNP= didn't help
3225 2011-05-11 21:17:55 <andrew12> wait
3226 2011-05-11 21:17:58 <andrew12> nevermind
3227 2011-05-11 21:17:58 <gjs278> USE_UPNP="" make command
3228 2011-05-11 21:18:04 <andrew12> USE_NPNP=0 didn't do anything
3229 2011-05-11 21:18:10 <andrew12> the former did though
3230 2011-05-11 21:18:10 <sipa> it's just there because it knows nTime in the block will be updated anyway, so it doesn't make sense to increment extranonce above 127 (which would cause it to require an byte or so?)
3231 2011-05-11 21:19:09 <andrew12> has the gui changed at all over the last 3 months?
3232 2011-05-11 21:19:10 <andrew12> :P
3233 2011-05-11 21:19:18 * andrew12 hasn't looked at the gui recently
3234 2011-05-11 21:19:33 <luke-jr> gjs278: no, USE_UPNP= must be *after* the make command P:P
3235 2011-05-11 21:19:57 <gjs278> it shouldn't even be default
3236 2011-05-11 21:20:02 <luke-jr> sipa: I wouldn't bet on that :P
3237 2011-05-11 21:20:06 bk128 has joined
3238 2011-05-11 21:20:18 <luke-jr> gjs278: USE_UPNP=0 is the default
3239 2011-05-11 21:20:24 <luke-jr> gjs278: USE_UPNP=1 should be the default
3240 2011-05-11 21:20:32 <sipa> luke-jr: i know of someone who changed to code to increment extranonce up to a 32-bit number
3241 2011-05-11 21:20:34 <gjs278> upnp on as the default?
3242 2011-05-11 21:20:43 <luke-jr> gjs278: it should be. it isn't.
3243 2011-05-11 21:20:45 <andrew12> upnp is bad
3244 2011-05-11 21:20:47 <sipa> and the data in the coinbase's scriptsig isn't used anywhere
3245 2011-05-11 21:20:51 <gjs278> why did he even have an issue though
3246 2011-05-11 21:20:56 <luke-jr> current default is to compile support, but not enable it without -upnp
3247 2011-05-11 21:21:00 <gjs278> I mean shouldnt upnp have been off for him so he wouldnt have to do anything
3248 2011-05-11 21:21:02 <gjs278> oh
3249 2011-05-11 21:21:03 <gjs278> okay
3250 2011-05-11 21:21:13 <luke-jr> andrew12: no u
3251 2011-05-11 21:21:26 <andrew12> :(
3252 2011-05-11 21:21:38 <luke-jr> NAT is bad
3253 2011-05-11 21:21:48 <andrew12> IPv4 is bad
3254 2011-05-11 21:21:51 <gjs278> nat owns
3255 2011-05-11 21:21:58 <luke-jr> listen() should always work or error
3256 2011-05-11 21:22:07 <luke-jr> never "no error, but doesn't work" like NAT makes it
3257 2011-05-11 21:22:21 <andrew12> it works, just only in LAN :D
3258 2011-05-11 21:22:48 <[Tycho]> IPv4 is good
3259 2011-05-11 21:22:53 <andrew12> wtf
3260 2011-05-11 21:23:21 <[Tycho]> And NAT too :)
3261 2011-05-11 21:23:29 <sipa> NAT is the worst hack that happened to the internet
3262 2011-05-11 21:23:37 <sipa> and UPNP is another hack to fix part of it
3263 2011-05-11 21:23:46 <luke-jr> yep
3264 2011-05-11 21:24:08 <luke-jr> if IPv4 is supported on a system, libc listen() should use UPnP
3265 2011-05-11 21:24:24 <luke-jr> cut the apps out of the loop at least
3266 2011-05-11 21:24:28 bk128 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3267 2011-05-11 21:24:36 <[Tycho]> Never tried UPNP
3268 2011-05-11 21:26:07 lumos has joined
3269 2011-05-11 21:27:42 <andrew12> the UPnP option in the options dialog isn't clickable
3270 2011-05-11 21:27:53 <andrew12> is this a mac thing?
3271 2011-05-11 21:30:06 <luke-jr> andrew12: whoever built the Mac binary left it out
3272 2011-05-11 21:30:14 <luke-jr> that's what USE_UPNP= does
3273 2011-05-11 21:30:32 <andrew12> it should be removed from the menu entirely if it's not compiled in
3274 2011-05-11 21:30:38 <andrew12> :<
3275 2011-05-11 21:30:40 <luke-jr> I disagree.
3276 2011-05-11 21:31:00 <luke-jr> Current Spesmilo shows languages greyed if not installed :D
3277 2011-05-11 21:31:04 <roconnor> sipa: did you get key recovery worked out?
3278 2011-05-11 21:31:11 <luke-jr> same for Tonal if it can't find a compatible font
3279 2011-05-11 21:31:16 <sipa> roconnor: yes, i did, it's implemented
3280 2011-05-11 21:31:21 <andrew12> same with "Minimize to the tray instead of the taskbar" and "Start Bitcoin on window system startup"
3281 2011-05-11 21:31:22 <roconnor> :O
3282 2011-05-11 21:31:24 <andrew12> those are greyed too
3283 2011-05-11 21:31:27 <roconnor> implemented?
3284 2011-05-11 21:31:53 <sipa> https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/6e223c405988a1002eeeee69db88a1128a38b0a3
3285 2011-05-11 21:31:56 <andrew12> in other news: bitcoin takes too long to compile
3286 2011-05-11 21:31:58 <luke-jr> andrew12: ok, I agree on those :P
3287 2011-05-11 21:32:08 Herodes has joined
3288 2011-05-11 21:32:15 <luke-jr> those are not only disabled-at-compile-time, but don't-even-make-sense-here
3289 2011-05-11 21:32:22 <andrew12> :P
3290 2011-05-11 21:32:37 <sipa> roconnor: i did have a question though
3291 2011-05-11 21:32:44 <sipa> roconnor: there are 4 possible recovered keys, right
3292 2011-05-11 21:32:57 <roconnor> potentially yes
3293 2011-05-11 21:33:07 <roconnor> I had some examples
3294 2011-05-11 21:33:17 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
3295 2011-05-11 21:33:17 <sipa> but two of them are only possible if the number r in the signature is lower than 2^256-fieldsize, right?
3296 2011-05-11 21:33:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 49721404.73 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 3 hours, 46 minutes, and 38 seconds
3297 2011-05-11 21:33:39 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
3298 2011-05-11 21:33:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 49721404.73 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 3 hours, 46 minutes, and 38 seconds
3299 2011-05-11 21:33:42 <roconnor> sipa: if the number is greater than that I think.
3300 2011-05-11 21:33:49 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,calc [bc,deepbit]
3301 2011-05-11 21:33:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 563294000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 20 minutes and 0 seconds
3302 2011-05-11 21:33:59 <roconnor> Sedra: er not
3303 2011-05-11 21:34:05 <andrew12> luke-jr: convince me to use your pool instead of any of the others.  :P
3304 2011-05-11 21:34:05 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: gonna topple your empire >:D
3305 2011-05-11 21:34:05 <sipa> roconnor: x=r+j*n
3306 2011-05-11 21:34:06 <roconnor> sipa: er not
3307 2011-05-11 21:34:15 <sipa> roconnor: so i'm talking about the j case
3308 2011-05-11 21:34:22 <roconnor> sipa: sorry I messed up
3309 2011-05-11 21:34:23 <luke-jr> andrew12: I'll let the other pool members do that for me. :P
3310 2011-05-11 21:34:31 <sipa> the j=1 case i mean
3311 2011-05-11 21:34:43 <sipa> as x needs to be lower than 2^256 anyway, r needs to be below 2^256-n
3312 2011-05-11 21:34:44 fimp has joined
3313 2011-05-11 21:34:47 <roconnor> sipa: if the number is less than field size - group size (aka p - n) then there could be 4
3314 2011-05-11 21:34:50 <roconnor> otherwise 2
3315 2011-05-11 21:34:50 <[Tycho]> luke-jr, I'm not evil so I should win :)
3316 2011-05-11 21:34:56 <sipa> right, i'm wrong
3317 2011-05-11 21:34:58 Nicksasa has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3318 2011-05-11 21:35:05 <sipa> it's field and group size, not 2^256 and field size
3319 2011-05-11 21:35:07 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: don't bet on it
3320 2011-05-11 21:35:31 <sipa> now i wonder, why can r just be replaced with x in the signature already?
3321 2011-05-11 21:35:33 <luke-jr> power corrupts. people know this.
3322 2011-05-11 21:35:35 <sipa> can't
3323 2011-05-11 21:35:47 <[Tycho]> I care about my users :)
3324 2011-05-11 21:35:56 <roconnor> sipa: at one time I figured that out ...
3325 2011-05-11 21:35:58 <Herodes> I have the impression you do.
3326 2011-05-11 21:36:07 <sipa> roconnor: please enlighten me
3327 2011-05-11 21:36:14 <roconnor> I forget
3328 2011-05-11 21:36:24 <sipa> since that would mean a compact signature would be (x,s) + 1 bit
3329 2011-05-11 21:36:43 <roconnor> yes
3330 2011-05-11 21:36:51 <sipa> instead of (r,s) + 2 bits
3331 2011-05-11 21:37:06 <roconnor> I can't imagine what the reason could possible be
3332 2011-05-11 21:37:12 <roconnor> maybe I'm mistaken
3333 2011-05-11 21:37:13 <sipa> but there was a reason?
3334 2011-05-11 21:37:19 <sipa> as far as you remember?
3335 2011-05-11 21:37:28 <roconnor> I vaguely remember
3336 2011-05-11 21:37:33 <roconnor> but it is fuzzy
3337 2011-05-11 21:37:45 <roconnor> so I might be vaguely remembering something else :D
3338 2011-05-11 21:38:04 glassresistor has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
3339 2011-05-11 21:38:08 <sipa> by the way: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6430.0
3340 2011-05-11 21:44:15 lzsaver has joined
3341 2011-05-11 21:44:22 lzsaver has quit (Changing host)
3342 2011-05-11 21:44:22 lzsaver has joined
3343 2011-05-11 21:45:20 <mosimo> if you do "./bitcoind getinfo" the part that says "hashespersec". is that H/s the server is generating or everyone connected to it?
3344 2011-05-11 21:46:04 <sipa> it's the number of hashes bitcoind is calculating itself
3345 2011-05-11 21:46:12 <sipa> and you should turn it off if it isn't zero
3346 2011-05-11 21:46:13 <roconnor> sipa: you also got rid of the DER cruft?
3347 2011-05-11 21:46:17 <sipa> roconnor: yes
3348 2011-05-11 21:46:39 <mosimo> yea, it's on 0. just got abit worried thinking "but my miners are doing 400M/s"
3349 2011-05-11 21:46:51 <sipa> don't worry
3350 2011-05-11 21:47:01 <sipa> if miners are saying they're doing 400Mhash/s, they are
3351 2011-05-11 21:47:18 <sipa> but at that speed, you probably want to be pool mining
3352 2011-05-11 21:47:24 <sipa> instead of solo
3353 2011-05-11 21:47:36 <mosimo> im just setting up a pool for me and some friends
3354 2011-05-11 21:47:45 <mosimo> using my 400M for testing it
3355 2011-05-11 21:47:59 <roconnor> sipa: no protocol changes in your patch?
3356 2011-05-11 21:48:08 <sipa> roconnor: it doesn't do anything
3357 2011-05-11 21:48:17 <sipa> it just introduces functions in CKey
3358 2011-05-11 21:48:23 <roconnor> right
3359 2011-05-11 21:48:41 <sipa> though i suggested khal to use it for his sign+verify message patch
3360 2011-05-11 21:48:44 <roconnor> There doesn't seem to be a lot of uptake on your proposal :/
3361 2011-05-11 21:49:08 <sipa> it's low priority, for now :)
3362 2011-05-11 21:49:26 <andrew12> hmm
3363 2011-05-11 21:49:28 <sipa> storage and network capacity aren't the things that should be dealt with now
3364 2011-05-11 21:50:03 <roconnor> clearly they should be dealt with after it is too late :D
3365 2011-05-11 21:50:49 Marcel has left (HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|)
3366 2011-05-11 21:51:02 gjs278 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
3367 2011-05-11 21:51:05 <sipa> well, feel free to comment :)
3368 2011-05-11 21:51:24 <roconnor> you have my support!
3369 2011-05-11 21:51:41 gjs278 has joined
3370 2011-05-11 21:52:38 <luke-jr> why does the initial block download take so long?
3371 2011-05-11 21:52:51 <roconnor> isn't it like 100s of megabytes?
3372 2011-05-11 21:52:53 <luke-jr> I'm downloading from localhost, and CPU is nowhere near busy.
3373 2011-05-11 21:53:06 <luke-jr> neither is IO
3374 2011-05-11 21:54:34 acfrazier has joined
3375 2011-05-11 21:56:28 <nevezen> because you're downloading from other peers?
3376 2011-05-11 21:56:57 <nevezen> thought the initial blocks are built into every release (of bitcoin client s/w)
3377 2011-05-11 21:57:28 <sipa> no
3378 2011-05-11 21:57:35 <sipa> only some checksums of them
3379 2011-05-11 21:57:37 <nevezen> I guess the longer you stay offline, the longer it'll take to update to the most recent one?
3380 2011-05-11 21:57:37 <andrew12> luke-jr: it stops for a few seconds after 500 blocks
3381 2011-05-11 21:58:08 <andrew12> luke-jr: also if you can find the blk*.dat files then you should be able to just copy those
3382 2011-05-11 21:58:57 <TD> luke-jr: how are you measuring io utilization?
3383 2011-05-11 21:59:23 Marcel has joined
3384 2011-05-11 21:59:56 <luke-jr> andrew12: I have to stop the first one to copy them tho
3385 2011-05-11 21:59:59 <luke-jr> TD: iotop
3386 2011-05-11 22:00:14 fimp has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
3387 2011-05-11 22:00:19 <andrew12> luke-jr: is that a problem? :D
3388 2011-05-11 22:00:22 <nevezen> oh, you can just copy block data?
3389 2011-05-11 22:00:56 <luke-jr> andrew12: no, I'm just lazy
3390 2011-05-11 22:00:57 <andrew12> nevezen: bdb has a magic annoying lock thing.
3391 2011-05-11 22:01:16 <andrew12> luke-jr: terrible excuse
3392 2011-05-11 22:01:22 <TD> i'd be surprised if the bottleneck isn't io
3393 2011-05-11 22:01:43 <andrew12> no, it's a built-into-the-client bottleneck
3394 2011-05-11 22:01:49 <andrew12> and the protocol isn't amazing
3395 2011-05-11 22:02:21 <`2Fast2BCn> I created an experimental pushpool for namecoins but it's not storing shares in the database. Should I enable that somehow in some config like the login statement?
3396 2011-05-11 22:02:23 <mosimo> can you turn off memcached in pushpool at runtime or does that need to be done at compile?
3397 2011-05-11 22:02:59 <andrew12> how long is bitcoind supposed to take to compile? it's been on main.cpp for like half an hour
3398 2011-05-11 22:03:35 <nevezen> I was under the impression that your client has to confirm every transaction up to the recent block by itself, and that copy/pasting the block file in itself wont actually work
3399 2011-05-11 22:03:58 <andrew12> it doesn't have to
3400 2011-05-11 22:04:24 <andrew12> the block fiels have a list of which ones are confirmed htough
3401 2011-05-11 22:04:25 <nanotube> nevezen: it doesn't rescan the whole database every time. it keeps an index.
3402 2011-05-11 22:04:27 <andrew12> i think :P
3403 2011-05-11 22:04:34 <andrew12> what nanotube said
3404 2011-05-11 22:04:46 justanotheruser has joined
3405 2011-05-11 22:04:49 <nevezen> I mean, your client recieving confirmations..
3406 2011-05-11 22:04:49 <nanotube> so if you grab a snapshot, you have the db+index up to that point
3407 2011-05-11 22:05:04 <nanotube> then it'll start building from that point on, rather than from 0.
3408 2011-05-11 22:06:07 <andrew12> nanotube: you should add commands like ;;tn,calc for the testnet. http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/q does exist.
3409 2011-05-11 22:06:20 <nevezen> gotcha
3410 2011-05-11 22:06:44 eternal1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
3411 2011-05-11 22:07:15 <nanotube> andrew12: hehe maybe, if there's sufficient demand. but bc,calcd can be just just as well.
3412 2011-05-11 22:07:43 fridge has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3413 2011-05-11 22:07:48 <andrew12> nanotube: but i can't do ;;bc,calcd 7000 [tn,diff] :p
3414 2011-05-11 22:08:34 <nanotube> ah, so we need tn,diff and tn,blocks maybe :)
3415 2011-05-11 22:08:53 <andrew12> \o/
3416 2011-05-11 22:09:59 <nanotube> ;;tn,diff
3417 2011-05-11 22:09:59 <gribble> 12.36211496
3418 2011-05-11 22:10:02 <nanotube> ;;tn,blocks
3419 2011-05-11 22:10:02 <gribble> 19308
3420 2011-05-11 22:10:05 <nanotube> there you go, enjoi :)
3421 2011-05-11 22:10:07 <nanotube> y
3422 2011-05-11 22:10:19 <andrew12> ;;bc,calcd 7000 [tn,diff]
3423 2011-05-11 22:10:20 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 7000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 12.36211496, is 2 hours, 6 minutes, and 24 seconds
3424 2011-05-11 22:10:31 <andrew12> ;;bc,gend 7000 [tn,diff]
3425 2011-05-11 22:10:31 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 7000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 12.36211496, is 569.546446065 BTC per day and 23.7311019194 BTC per hour.
3426 2011-05-11 22:11:40 justanotheruser has quit (Quit: Leaving)
3427 2011-05-11 22:12:29 dbitcoin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
3428 2011-05-11 22:13:35 fimp has joined
3429 2011-05-11 22:14:13 <diki> ufasoft's miner is fast
3430 2011-05-11 22:14:51 <diki> however, puddinpop s 4way miner also get's the same mhash/s however it finds more hashes
3431 2011-05-11 22:14:58 <diki> i.e i get more shares with it
3432 2011-05-11 22:15:16 <diki> with the CPU
3433 2011-05-11 22:15:41 <andrew12> that's probably just coincidence
3434 2011-05-11 22:16:32 frewsxcv has joined
3435 2011-05-11 22:16:36 <sipa> how to create a patch from one specific git commit?
3436 2011-05-11 22:16:46 <lupine_85> git format-patch ?
3437 2011-05-11 22:17:04 <sipa> ok, that was easy, thanks!
3438 2011-05-11 22:17:11 <frewsxcv> alright, i have a really great idea for a bitcoin website. fork http://shapado.com/ (which is open source) and add bitcoin bounty functionality
3439 2011-05-11 22:18:15 mologie has quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)
3440 2011-05-11 22:18:27 <andrew12> come up with a domain, and we can get started :D
3441 2011-05-11 22:19:06 <andrew12> yesss... it's ruby + rails + mongodb + mongomapper
3442 2011-05-11 22:19:10 Incitatus has quit (Quit: Leaving)
3443 2011-05-11 22:19:23 fridge has joined
3444 2011-05-11 22:19:32 <frewsxcv> andrew12: i know, it wouldn't be too hard really
3445 2011-05-11 22:19:33 fridge has quit (Client Quit)
3446 2011-05-11 22:19:44 <andrew12> indeed it wouldn't
3447 2011-05-11 22:20:01 <frewsxcv> https://github.com/andrew12/ruby-bitcoin
3448 2011-05-11 22:20:08 <nanotube> isn't that what witcoin is for? :)
3449 2011-05-11 22:20:14 <andrew12> no
3450 2011-05-11 22:20:21 <andrew12> witcoin is like reddit but you get paid
3451 2011-05-11 22:20:45 <frewsxcv> no, witcoin is not like stack exchange
3452 2011-05-11 22:20:58 <andrew12> what?
3453 2011-05-11 22:21:12 <frewsxcv> witcoin isn't even open source
3454 2011-05-11 22:21:34 <frewsxcv> shapado is like stack exchange
3455 2011-05-11 22:21:34 zyb_ has joined
3456 2011-05-11 22:22:07 <`2Fast2BCn> I created an experimental pushpool for namecoins but it's not storing shares in the database. I've added "stmt.sharelog" : "INSERT INTO shares (username, rem_host, our_result, upstream_result, reason, solution) VALUES (?,?,?,?,?,?)" should I add something else?
3457 2011-05-11 22:22:14 <dinox> does pushpool relay bitcoind json-rpc output at port 8338?
3458 2011-05-11 22:24:24 zyb has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
3459 2011-05-11 22:25:16 sabalabas has joined
3460 2011-05-11 22:25:55 <frewsxcv> andrew12: so, what do you think? would you actually help? we could charge like 0.02BTC per question or somethign
3461 2011-05-11 22:26:18 eternal1 has joined
3462 2011-05-11 22:26:37 duosrx has quit (Quit: Leaving...)
3463 2011-05-11 22:26:45 <andrew12> frewsxcv: and do what with that money?
3464 2011-05-11 22:26:57 <andrew12> frewsxcv: also that's quite a lot.
3465 2011-05-11 22:27:27 <frewsxcv> well 0.01 then
3466 2011-05-11 22:27:36 <frewsxcv> it's not really the point, just throwing out ideas
3467 2011-05-11 22:27:44 <frewsxcv> if we needed money to maintain servers
3468 2011-05-11 22:28:31 <dinox> a/w 54
3469 2011-05-11 22:28:44 <andrew12> http://xkcd.com/bitcoin/ -- what does it mean?
3470 2011-05-11 22:29:00 <EPiSKiNG> how can I tell what SDK version I'm using?
3471 2011-05-11 22:29:25 <sipa> look at the filename you downloaded? :)
3472 2011-05-11 22:30:21 <EPiSKiNG> I have GPU Caps open
3473 2011-05-11 22:30:34 <EPiSKiNG> OpenCL 1.0 ATI-Stream-v2.1 (145) - CU: 20 @ 970MHz (GPU)
3474 2011-05-11 22:30:36 <EPiSKiNG> I see
3475 2011-05-11 22:30:36 <EPiSKiNG> thanks
3476 2011-05-11 22:30:57 lumos has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3477 2011-05-11 22:31:01 TD has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
3478 2011-05-11 22:31:18 <frewsxcv> andrew12: well i'm actually serious/interested if you're willing to help
3479 2011-05-11 22:32:24 diki has quit ()
3480 2011-05-11 22:34:03 thedrs has joined
3481 2011-05-11 22:34:22 <thedrs> ;;bc,help
3482 2011-05-11 22:34:22 <gribble> Alias bc,24hprc, Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,deepbit, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,googlerate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,interval, Alias bc,lukepool, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,mtgoxask, Alias bc,mtgoxbid, (1 more message)
3483 2011-05-11 22:34:31 <thedrs> ;;bc,gen 360000
3484 2011-05-11 22:34:31 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 360000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 2.30011397431 BTC per day and 0.095838082263 BTC per hour.
3485 2011-05-11 22:34:48 sabalabas has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
3486 2011-05-11 22:35:14 <thedrs> ;;bc,mtgox
3487 2011-05-11 22:35:15 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4.6,"vol":56550,"buy":5.2001,"sell":5.5999,"last":5.39}}
3488 2011-05-11 22:35:20 <mosimo> ;;bc,gen 402000
3489 2011-05-11 22:35:21 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 402000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 2.56846060465 BTC per day and 0.10701919186 BTC per hour.
3490 2011-05-11 22:35:30 eternal1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
3491 2011-05-11 22:35:58 <thedrs> ;;bc,googlerate
3492 2011-05-11 22:35:58 <gribble> (bc,googlerate <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "field 2 [re "m/= [\d\.]+/" [calc $1 in $2]]".
3493 2011-05-11 22:36:41 <thedrs> ;;bc,estimate
3494 2011-05-11 22:36:43 <gribble> 210040.58904100
3495 2011-05-11 22:37:19 <thedrs> ;;bc,interval
3496 2011-05-11 22:37:19 <gribble> 412
3497 2011-05-11 22:37:30 zyb_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
3498 2011-05-11 22:37:40 eao has joined
3499 2011-05-11 22:37:42 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
3500 2011-05-11 22:37:43 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4.6,"vol":56514,"buy":5.4007,"sell":5.5999,"last":5.39}}
3501 2011-05-11 22:38:04 marlowe has joined
3502 2011-05-11 22:38:19 <thedrs> i keep forgetting what is the com for seeing next estimated jump in difficulty ?
3503 2011-05-11 22:38:25 <thedrs> ;;bc,labs
3504 2011-05-11 22:38:25 <gribble> Error: "bc,labs" is not a valid command.
3505 2011-05-11 22:38:35 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
3506 2011-05-11 22:38:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123368 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1623 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 11 hours, 19 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 210040.58904100
3507 2011-05-11 22:38:46 <thedrs> thanks
3508 2011-05-11 22:39:07 <frewsxcv> andrew12: oh wait, you wrote that bitcoin client
3509 2011-05-11 22:39:16 <frewsxcv> i pasted it to you to inform you, only to find out that you wrote it
3510 2011-05-11 22:39:18 <andrew12> yeah except i didn't finish it
3511 2011-05-11 22:39:43 <frewsxcv> are there any finished ruby bitcoin wallets?
3512 2011-05-11 22:39:51 <thedrs> stats command should be added to bc bot help
3513 2011-05-11 22:40:07 <andrew12> thedrs: ,,(apropos bc)
3514 2011-05-11 22:40:08 <gribble> Alias bc,24hprc, Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,deepbit, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,googlerate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,interval, Alias bc,lukepool, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,mtgoxask, Alias bc,mtgoxbid, (1 more message)
3515 2011-05-11 22:40:14 <frewsxcv> andrew12: if you're interested you shoud join #shapado
3516 2011-05-11 22:40:23 <frewsxcv> andrew12: supposedly bitcoin/flattr support is on their roadmap
3517 2011-05-11 22:40:50 <andrew12> frewsxcv: what exactly is shapado?
3518 2011-05-11 22:40:56 <andrew12> frewsxcv: i don't quite understand it :D
3519 2011-05-11 22:41:08 <thedrs> andrew12: it might be the late hour but i don't see 'stats' in there
3520 2011-05-11 22:45:29 fimp has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
3521 2011-05-11 22:50:14 diki has joined
3522 2011-05-11 22:54:01 <diki> I know php has it's limits, but is it possible to port some form of a miner to php?
3523 2011-05-11 22:54:20 <`2Fast2BCn> ok found it I had to add "sharelog" : true
3524 2011-05-11 22:54:24 <sipa> that's even been done, i think
3525 2011-05-11 22:54:24 Herodes has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3526 2011-05-11 22:55:31 ezl has joined
3527 2011-05-11 22:55:49 <frewsxcv> diki: search github
3528 2011-05-11 22:57:31 <diki> is it this one? https://github.com/mikegogulski/bitcoin-php
3529 2011-05-11 22:57:53 kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
3530 2011-05-11 22:58:48 <Mad7Scientist> Can I easily copy my bitcoin database over to another computer so I don't have to have that huge download?
3531 2011-05-11 22:58:57 <Mad7Scientist> on the other computer
3532 2011-05-11 22:59:43 <gjs278> copy your .bitcoin folder
3533 2011-05-11 23:00:07 <gjs278> you can just take the entire folder and put it somewhere else and it might work
3534 2011-05-11 23:00:18 Nicksasa has joined
3535 2011-05-11 23:00:21 kreal has quit (!~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|Quit: leaving)
3536 2011-05-11 23:06:50 marlowe has quit (Quit: leaving)
3537 2011-05-11 23:07:09 marlowe has joined
3538 2011-05-11 23:08:21 lyspooner has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830])
3539 2011-05-11 23:17:53 <thedrs> Q: my friend raised a question about pool clients - he said why can't they just cheat and report as if they completed checking hashes even though they didn't just to increase their speed in the pool - i couldn't answer that - can someone help ?
3540 2011-05-11 23:18:58 AAA_awright has joined
3541 2011-05-11 23:19:58 <Jere> Don't pools verify hashes that they receive?  Verifying is much easier then finding the right nonce in the first place.
3542 2011-05-11 23:20:04 <molecular> is it possible to generate an address and _not_ put it in the wallet, print it out, and give it to someone in an envelope (open in 2016) and make it possible for that person to insert the address into their wallet in 2016?
3543 2011-05-11 23:21:20 <thedrs> molecular: why not just create a new wallet with one address and then put the whole thing in an envelope ...
3544 2011-05-11 23:21:45 <molecular> hm.. I want to print it out (dunno why exactly, but that's the thought)
3545 2011-05-11 23:22:09 <citiz3n> encrypt a wallet
3546 2011-05-11 23:22:15 <citiz3n> you can print out the key for it
3547 2011-05-11 23:22:16 <molecular> it's probably too big to enter it manually (remembering typing binary c64 game code)
3548 2011-05-11 23:22:29 <thedrs> Jere: if i understand correctly, pools give their clients seed ranges to check hashes on the current block - can't the client just say "i checked it and haven't found anything" and move on to the next block without checking
3549 2011-05-11 23:22:30 <molecular> then the envelope doesnt contain everything needed
3550 2011-05-11 23:22:41 <molecular> I'd have to supply the encrypted wallet.dat some other way
3551 2011-05-11 23:22:50 <citiz3n> CD
3552 2011-05-11 23:22:59 <citiz3n> mini-CD, USB stick, and 1.44 floppy :D
3553 2011-05-11 23:23:03 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, are you interested in doing the 'hug 3 friends' achievement in portal 2? ;)
3554 2011-05-11 23:23:04 <Jere> thedrs: Sure, but clients only receive credit for hashes they find.
3555 2011-05-11 23:23:35 <molecular> citiz3n, for some reason I want paper-only..
3556 2011-05-11 23:24:05 <citiz3n> how many sheets of paper would the wallet file fit onto
3557 2011-05-11 23:24:07 <Jere> thedrs: I imagine that may be an attack vector. Repeatedly ask the server for more work without performing any.
3558 2011-05-11 23:24:17 <citiz3n> they could always scan it using OCR or whatever
3559 2011-05-11 23:24:21 <citiz3n> but still seems like too much room for error
3560 2011-05-11 23:24:36 Marcel has left (HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|)
3561 2011-05-11 23:25:28 <molecular> citiz3n, so it's not possible to extract/delete an address from a wallet.dat and later insert it into another wallet.dat???
3562 2011-05-11 23:25:39 <citiz3n> i don't believe so
3563 2011-05-11 23:25:40 <molecular> I assume it's possible, just not implemented
3564 2011-05-11 23:25:41 <Jere> citiz3n: QR codes can hold almost 3k of binary data.  That should be enough for the keys.
3565 2011-05-11 23:25:43 <thedrs> Jere: but if you receive "shares" only for hashes you find that means you solve the block hash by yourself, meaning the 50 btc block hash ?
3566 2011-05-11 23:25:53 acfrazier has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
3567 2011-05-11 23:26:36 <Jere> thedrs: Typically the pool will enforce a much lower difficulty so that you can report back work more often.
3568 2011-05-11 23:27:18 <lfm> ya shares are normally difficulty 1.0
3569 2011-05-11 23:27:23 <Jere> thedrs: For example, slush only asks for hashes that meet a difficulty of 32 instead of the 150K that is the full difficulty.
3570 2011-05-11 23:27:54 <thedrs> ok that sounds logical now
3571 2011-05-11 23:28:18 <lfm> ok they used to ba all difficulty 1.0
3572 2011-05-11 23:28:45 <thedrs> but still if there was an 'evil' user, he could just pull more and more jobs without doing them, and thus reducing that pools chances of winning the current block, right ?
3573 2011-05-11 23:29:27 <thedrs> ;;bc,gen 7000000
3574 2011-05-11 23:29:28 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 7000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 44.7244383894 BTC per day and 1.86351826622 BTC per hour.
3575 2011-05-11 23:29:34 <Mad7Scientist> gjs278, isn't there some kind of wallet ID that gets set the first time you start bitcoin?
3576 2011-05-11 23:29:42 toffoo_ has joined
3577 2011-05-11 23:29:43 <gjs278> if there is
3578 2011-05-11 23:29:43 Cusipzzz has joined
3579 2011-05-11 23:29:44 <thedrs> ;;bc,gen 7000
3580 2011-05-11 23:29:45 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 7000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 0.0447244383894 BTC per day and 0.00186351826622 BTC per hour.
3581 2011-05-11 23:29:45 <gjs278> it's in .bitcoin
3582 2011-05-11 23:29:47 <Jere> thedrs: I haven't gone through the pushpool code so I couldn't say if the server divides the possible nonces or just gives out random ones.
3583 2011-05-11 23:29:56 toffoo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3584 2011-05-11 23:30:00 <Mad7Scientist> I want a different wallet but the same database
3585 2011-05-11 23:30:20 <gjs278> then copy everything
3586 2011-05-11 23:30:22 <gjs278> delete the wallet.dat
3587 2011-05-11 23:30:23 kermit has joined
3588 2011-05-11 23:30:27 <Mad7Scientist> cool
3589 2011-05-11 23:30:29 <thedrs> Jere: it would be more logical if it divides them so as not to perform duplicate checks within the pool
3590 2011-05-11 23:30:32 <gjs278> maybe that will work
3591 2011-05-11 23:30:34 <gjs278> maybe not
3592 2011-05-11 23:30:39 <gjs278> but you'll be able to tell pretty quickly
3593 2011-05-11 23:31:05 <thedrs> thats true
3594 2011-05-11 23:31:10 BitMark has left ()
3595 2011-05-11 23:31:21 <Jere> thedrs: I agree but there is a lot of housekeeping that requires that would add load to the server
3596 2011-05-11 23:31:39 <thedrs> doing so many trials without results would arise suspicion
3597 2011-05-11 23:33:06 <thedrs> thanks guys
3598 2011-05-11 23:33:08 <thedrs> good night
3599 2011-05-11 23:33:21 khalahan has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3600 2011-05-11 23:33:34 soultcer has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
3601 2011-05-11 23:33:40 mosimo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3602 2011-05-11 23:33:52 <Jere> thedrs: Only if someone was looking for it.
3603 2011-05-11 23:34:23 toffoo_ has quit (Client Quit)
3604 2011-05-11 23:34:39 acfrazier has joined
3605 2011-05-11 23:34:47 toffoo has joined
3606 2011-05-11 23:35:06 <thedrs> Jere: which i would expect a good pool to check...
3607 2011-05-11 23:35:23 Andrevan has joined
3608 2011-05-11 23:35:27 khalahan has joined
3609 2011-05-11 23:35:48 amiller has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
3610 2011-05-11 23:36:29 <Jere> thedrs: Before a pool can check it, the programmer has to anticipate that type of attack, devise a way to measure it, and decide it is a high enough risk to spend the time writing checks and or defenses.
3611 2011-05-11 23:36:50 <Jere> thedrs: Defenses come with costs.
3612 2011-05-11 23:37:18 <thedrs> Jere: agreed, and if the pool sends out random nonces, then it couldn't care less with attacks like this
3613 2011-05-11 23:39:14 <Jere> thedrs: In the early days, probably not. As the pool reaches the edges of its capacity, maybe it would.  I would imagine that an attacker that does this would also have his miner respond slowly with very small TCP buffers.  That could be a big danger.
3614 2011-05-11 23:43:10 alystair has joined
3615 2011-05-11 23:43:10 AnonX has quit ()
3616 2011-05-11 23:45:40 acfrazier has quit (Quit: Leaving)
3617 2011-05-11 23:49:18 <DukeOfURL> the GPUs in a pool...  does each start with a different nonce?
3618 2011-05-11 23:49:41 <DukeOfURL> how does each GPU work on a different problem?
3619 2011-05-11 23:49:46 <sipa> yes
3620 2011-05-11 23:50:20 <lfm> DukeOfURL: no, they would each start with different extranonce in the coinbase txn
3621 2011-05-11 23:50:20 <DukeOfURL> and the pool admin hands-out a nonce to each processor?
3622 2011-05-11 23:50:57 <lfm> all getworks are allowed to try the full range of nonces
3623 2011-05-11 23:51:28 <DukeOfURL> but you would want each GPU working on its own problem domain?
3624 2011-05-11 23:51:34 <sipa> yes
3625 2011-05-11 23:51:42 ezl has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
3626 2011-05-11 23:51:45 <lfm> yes they each have their own merkle hash
3627 2011-05-11 23:52:07 eternal1 has joined
3628 2011-05-11 23:53:08 <lfm> since the extranonce in the coinbase txn is different, that makes the merkle hash of the txns in the block header unique
3629 2011-05-11 23:53:18 <DukeOfURL> ok
3630 2011-05-11 23:54:04 ae___ has joined