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2 2011-05-12 00:03:53 <EPiSKiNG> anyone have an idea why when I connect a 5970 and a 6990 in a miner i get BSOD?
3 2011-05-12 00:04:05 <EPiSKiNG> says something about an ATI file that caused it
4 2011-05-12 00:04:24 <EPiSKiNG> what version driver should i be using for a 5970 and a 6990 together?
5 2011-05-12 00:04:30 <EPiSKiNG> and do i have to crossfire?
6 2011-05-12 00:04:56 <lfm> in one machine? have you seen any indication that that is allowed?
7 2011-05-12 00:05:20 <EPiSKiNG> no indication that it's "allowed"
8 2011-05-12 00:05:29 <EPiSKiNG> yes, in one machine
9 2011-05-12 00:05:31 <EPiSKiNG> windows 7
10 2011-05-12 00:06:01 <lfm> afaik you have to match gpus to work together
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13 2011-05-12 00:08:23 <EPiSKiNG> will linux allow it?
14 2011-05-12 00:08:31 <lfm> afaik you have to match gpus to work together
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17 2011-05-12 00:09:05 <citiz3n> i have run both a 6990 and a 5870 in the same machine
18 2011-05-12 00:09:11 <citiz3n> catalyst 11.4 drivers
19 2011-05-12 00:09:19 <lfm> linux or mswin?
20 2011-05-12 00:09:23 <citiz3n> win
21 2011-05-12 00:10:08 <diki> psu?
22 2011-05-12 00:10:11 <lfm> oh ok, im rong
23 2011-05-12 00:10:20 <EPiSKiNG> what?
24 2011-05-12 00:10:27 <EPiSKiNG> how do I clean out all the drivers?
25 2011-05-12 00:10:30 <diki> power supply?
26 2011-05-12 00:10:37 <EPiSKiNG> Corsair 1000w
27 2011-05-12 00:10:45 <diki> i see, so there is enough
28 2011-05-12 00:10:53 <diki> You can clean drivers with driver sweeper
29 2011-05-12 00:11:00 <diki> preferably under safe mode
30 2011-05-12 00:11:01 <EPiSKiNG> think i can do it remotely?
31 2011-05-12 00:11:06 <diki> i doubt it
32 2011-05-12 00:11:27 <EPiSKiNG> 11.4 drivers with 2.1 sdk?
33 2011-05-12 00:11:47 <diki> to be honest i use 2.4 and i havent seen problems
34 2011-05-12 00:11:56 <EPiSKiNG> 11.5 drivers?
35 2011-05-12 00:12:02 <diki> 11.3 actually
36 2011-05-12 00:12:40 <EPiSKiNG> i guess since i'm using a 6 series gpu, i shoudla lways go with the latest drivers?
37 2011-05-12 00:12:53 <diki> Although your PSU is more than enough, you BSOD when the cards start mining, right?
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39 2011-05-12 00:13:07 <diki> that means they bsod under load
40 2011-05-12 00:13:42 <EPiSKiNG> yes
41 2011-05-12 00:13:52 <citiz3n> the cards work fine separately, just not together?
42 2011-05-12 00:13:59 <diki> You'd have more luck figuring this on overclock.net than here
43 2011-05-12 00:14:05 <EPiSKiNG> well, the 5970 was disappointing me in MH/s performance
44 2011-05-12 00:14:08 <EPiSKiNG> but it was stable
45 2011-05-12 00:14:21 <citiz3n> when i ran the 6990 and 5870 in one machine, i installed just the 6990 first
46 2011-05-12 00:14:29 <citiz3n> installed 11.4/2.4
47 2011-05-12 00:14:36 <citiz3n> got the 6990 working fine
48 2011-05-12 00:14:39 <citiz3n> shut down, install 5870
49 2011-05-12 00:14:51 <citiz3n> start back up and like i said, 5870 doesn't show up in CCC
50 2011-05-12 00:14:57 <citiz3n> but it mines just like normal :)
51 2011-05-12 00:15:03 <diki> dummy plug citizen?
52 2011-05-12 00:15:08 <citiz3n> so did both cores on the 6990
53 2011-05-12 00:15:11 <kakazza> How much can the 6990 do?
54 2011-05-12 00:15:13 <citiz3n> nope, monitor on both
55 2011-05-12 00:15:20 <citiz3n> i get about 335 per core
56 2011-05-12 00:15:27 <citiz3n> although for some reason with two 6990s in one machine
57 2011-05-12 00:15:33 <citiz3n> the 4th core runs at 1/3 speed :(
58 2011-05-12 00:15:38 <diki> bad scaling
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60 2011-05-12 00:16:13 <EPiSKiNG> mine's getting 783 @ 910 core 625 mem
61 2011-05-12 00:16:21 <diki> it could be that the 6990 is maxing out the miner
62 2011-05-12 00:16:43 <citiz3n> what miner are you using, EPiSKiNG
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65 2011-05-12 00:17:11 <citiz3n> my card didn't want to overclock at all either
66 2011-05-12 00:17:14 <citiz3n> could be OS-related
67 2011-05-12 00:17:21 <citiz3n> it's running on a Windows Small Business Server box hehe
68 2011-05-12 00:17:24 <lfm> citiz3n: 4 gpu is maxing out something, cpu or memory or pci bus or something
69 2011-05-12 00:17:27 <citiz3n> not something i would normally mine on
70 2011-05-12 00:17:41 <citiz3n> but a couple PCIe slots x16 slots and a beefy PSU sitting there doing nothing......
71 2011-05-12 00:18:17 <citiz3n> i suppose i could try setting affinity
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73 2011-05-12 00:20:21 <citiz3n> hmm
74 2011-05-12 00:21:38 <citiz3n> that didn't change anything
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81 2011-05-12 00:34:17 <sacarlson> why has this lib been added in my latiest attempt to build from git miniupnpc is now needed
82 2011-05-12 00:35:06 <sacarlson> I didn't need the last month to compile bitcoind
83 2011-05-12 00:35:11 <sipa> make bitcoind USE_UPNP=
84 2011-05-12 00:35:17 <sipa> that disables it
85 2011-05-12 00:35:32 <sacarlson> sipa ok cool thanks
86 2011-05-12 00:37:20 <doublec> sacarlson: it's to allow bitcoin to punch holes in the firewall automagically
87 2011-05-12 00:37:38 <doublec> pity it's not a more mainstream library
88 2011-05-12 00:38:16 <sacarlson> doublec: ok well I don't need that I have my ports all open and forwarded
89 2011-05-12 00:38:33 <doublec> I disable it too
90 2011-05-12 00:39:03 <sipa> sacarlson: USE_UPNP= : don't build upnp, USE_UPNP=0 : build but disable by default, USE_UPNP=1 : build but enable by default
91 2011-05-12 00:40:14 <sacarlson> I still get undefined reference to `fUseUPnP' with USE_UPNP= so I need to add USE_UPNP=0
92 2011-05-12 00:41:11 <sipa> no
93 2011-05-12 00:41:21 <sipa> you need to delete db.o from an earlier compilation
94 2011-05-12 00:41:25 <sipa> and recompile it
95 2011-05-12 00:41:38 <sacarlson> I had to make clean
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97 2011-05-12 00:42:41 <sacarlson> nope still stuck after make clean and added USE_UPNP=0 net.cpp:8:32: error: miniupnpc/miniwget.h: No such file or directory
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99 2011-05-12 00:43:16 <sipa> you need USE_UPNP=
100 2011-05-12 00:43:21 <sipa> not USE_UPNP=0
101 2011-05-12 00:43:28 <sipa> 02:33:31 < sipa> sacarlson: USE_UPNP= : don't build upnp, USE_UPNP=0 : build but disable by default, USE_UPNP=1 : build but enable by default
102 2011-05-12 00:43:46 <sacarlson> ok so I needed to make clean with USE_UPNP= blank will try that
103 2011-05-12 00:43:57 <sipa> you don't need make clean
104 2011-05-12 00:43:59 <sipa> just remove db.o
105 2011-05-12 00:44:06 <sipa> and make with USE_UPNP=
106 2011-05-12 00:44:15 <sacarlson> ok
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114 2011-05-12 00:47:30 <sacarlson> sipa ok that did the trick: make -f makefile.unix clean; make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP= bitcoind
115 2011-05-12 00:47:37 <sacarlson> sipa: thanks
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122 2011-05-12 00:54:54 * sipa 's importwallet patch finally compiles
123 2011-05-12 00:55:01 * sipa doesn't dare to test it, and goes to bed
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130 2011-05-12 01:24:32 <luke-jr> sipa: nooooo
131 2011-05-12 01:24:35 <luke-jr> sipa: push it first
132 2011-05-12 01:26:17 <sipa> https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commits/showwallet :)
133 2011-05-12 01:27:26 <jgarzik> sipa: were you the one working on key import/export? what's the status of that?
134 2011-05-12 01:28:16 <jgarzik> sipa: that would permit me to simply print out a key, and store it safely in a safety deposit box
135 2011-05-12 01:28:48 <sipa> jgarzik: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3906.0
136 2011-05-12 01:29:17 <lfm> jgarzik: better would be a thumb drive in a saftey dep box
137 2011-05-12 01:29:38 <luke-jr> sipa: doh, I was hoping I could just give it a raw wallet.dat :P
138 2011-05-12 01:29:46 <jgarzik> lfm: strongly disagree. I know flash technology :) CDs, DVDs and thumb drives all "rot"
139 2011-05-12 01:29:54 <jgarzik> lfm: thumb drive wouldn't last a year in a dep box
140 2011-05-12 01:30:10 <jgarzik> paper is more durable
141 2011-05-12 01:30:10 <lfm> jgarzik: and paper doesnt? hmmm
142 2011-05-12 01:30:36 <sipa> jgarzik: just key import/export was working for quite some time already, but i didn't make it into a pull request at the time because there were quite some issues with it (spend per txout and spendbycopy fix part of it, rejectedtx the rest)
143 2011-05-12 01:31:47 <lfm> anyway in a year bitcoins will have collapsed an be worthless
144 2011-05-12 01:31:52 <jgarzik> heh
145 2011-05-12 01:33:09 <jgarzik> sipa: any remaining merge obstacles now?
146 2011-05-12 01:35:38 <sipa> dumpkey and importkey should be fine (i can easily turn those into a separate pull req), but without rejectedtx it may be dangerous if people just go move around addresses between wallets
147 2011-05-12 01:36:23 <sipa> dumpwallet and importwallet is what i was working on; dump works, import needs testing
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152 2011-05-12 01:44:06 <sipa> jgarzik: bitbills apparently uses that importprivkey/dumpprivkey patch even
153 2011-05-12 01:44:24 <sipa> anyway, /me definitely needs sleep
154 2011-05-12 01:45:18 <jgarzik> sipa: cheers!
155 2011-05-12 01:45:27 <jgarzik> sipa: I'll ask what rejectedtx is, in the morning
156 2011-05-12 01:45:53 <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/195
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160 2011-05-12 01:47:56 <jgarzik> sipa: this might be useful in my quest to expire TX's from memory pool after ~150 blocks
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163 2011-05-12 01:51:30 <lfm> 144 blocks would be a nice round day
164 2011-05-12 01:51:57 <jgarzik> yep
165 2011-05-12 01:52:20 <luke-jr> does everything in the wallet have some kind of create-time?
166 2011-05-12 01:52:44 <jgarzik> if TX's expire from memory pool after 144 blocks, that would give a client the option to rewrite a TX that refuses to confirm.
167 2011-05-12 01:53:13 <jgarzik> older clients could resend (current behavior) as long as they wish, without penalty. TX would go right back into the cache.
168 2011-05-12 01:54:41 <jgarzik> luke-jr: some people were reporting pool connection problems... any data on that?
169 2011-05-12 01:55:43 <luke-jr> jgarzik: in general, no
170 2011-05-12 01:55:44 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I occasionally get "HTTP request failed: Empty reply from server" in minerd for unknown reasons. Been thinking about rewriting pool server HTTP engine to avoid libevent's http code, which appears to be a source of memleaks as well as possibly(?) not being as robust as we'd like.
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173 2011-05-12 01:56:31 <luke-jr> jgarzik: cosurgi tells me the pool is giving him duplicate work, but I don't see how it could
174 2011-05-12 01:56:53 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I don't see how it could, either
175 2011-05-12 01:57:36 <jgarzik> luke-jr: some buggy GPU clients will serve up duplicate solutions. I saw that with poold.py as well as pushpool
176 2011-05-12 01:57:42 <luke-jr> I mean, I /did/ find a potential race in bitcoind, as well as *possibly* an issue when clients change time on their ownâ¦
177 2011-05-12 01:57:47 <luke-jr> but those seem so unlikely, I kinda doubt it
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179 2011-05-12 01:58:02 <luke-jr> jgarzik: he says Deepbit doesn't have the same problem
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182 2011-05-12 01:58:46 <luke-jr> jgarzik: tbh, my bigger concerns are not much with pushpool right now
183 2011-05-12 01:59:04 <jgarzik> luke-jr: what are the bigger concerns?
184 2011-05-12 01:59:05 <luke-jr> I need to optimize my payout code more, and figure out a solution to a problem I'm about to give it :P
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190 2011-05-12 02:05:41 <coin> Is anyone here mining namecoin?
191 2011-05-12 02:06:52 <jgarzik> coin: maybe try #bitcoin-mining?
192 2011-05-12 02:07:13 <coin> k -thanks
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194 2011-05-12 02:22:22 <doublec> jgarzik: is that libevent's http client code? Or the server code?
195 2011-05-12 02:22:45 <jgarzik> doublec: server
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197 2011-05-12 02:23:45 <doublec> are you using libevent 2?
198 2011-05-12 02:26:32 <jgarzik> doublec: no
199 2011-05-12 02:27:20 <jgarzik> doublec: 1.4.x
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201 2011-05-12 02:27:56 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I think it compiles against 2 O.o
202 2011-05-12 02:28:20 <acfrazier> this could be the root of my problem
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205 2011-05-12 02:28:54 <doublec> I use 2 in a project using the http server and client code and it seems to work ok.
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207 2011-05-12 02:29:49 <doublec> but nothing that gets as heavy usage as a pool probably does
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211 2011-05-12 02:33:10 <Herodes_> Hello. I have transactions that are stuck at 0/unconfirmed, even though other transactions have gone through. Have now 3 such transactions, and I wonder if I have to scrap my wallet and get a new one.
212 2011-05-12 02:33:11 <Herodes_> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4002.msg116727#msg116727
213 2011-05-12 02:33:22 <Herodes_> I suspect there might be some glitch in the client ?
214 2011-05-12 02:34:22 <doublec> Herodes_: have you looked at http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin to see if the transactions are there?
215 2011-05-12 02:34:33 <Herodes_> yes
216 2011-05-12 02:34:35 <Herodes_> and it is not there.
217 2011-05-12 02:34:39 <Herodes_> But I can check again.
218 2011-05-12 02:34:47 <lfm> Herodes_: are these tiny 0.01 btc txn?
219 2011-05-12 02:35:08 <Herodes_> No. I will give a screen shot as image shack link. just wait 30 secs.
220 2011-05-12 02:35:17 <doublec> Herodes_: I had a similar issue yesterday. Took about an hour before the transaction was sent.
221 2011-05-12 02:35:26 <doublec> how long have yours been waiting?
222 2011-05-12 02:35:29 <Herodes_> well, i have been waiting for 12 hours.
223 2011-05-12 02:35:40 <lfm> sometimes the free txn get backlogged
224 2011-05-12 02:35:55 <Herodes_> i will prepare an image with the screenshot of the client and debug info about the latest transactions. brb.
225 2011-05-12 02:36:13 <Herodes_> Well, actually I have a 0.01 fee in two of the stalled transactions. That's what makes me suspect a bug.
226 2011-05-12 02:37:01 <doublec> is your block count up to date?
227 2011-05-12 02:37:18 <doublec> have you checked the addresses at blockexplorer.com to see if the transactoin has actually gone through?
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230 2011-05-12 02:43:47 <jaybny> anyone ave any C#, or c++ code for a BTCMtGox feed?
231 2011-05-12 02:46:37 <Herodes_> doublec: Yes and yes.
232 2011-05-12 02:46:50 <Herodes_> Here is a picture of the situation.
233 2011-05-12 02:46:51 <Herodes_> http://www.kraftsport.no/unconfirmedstuck.png
234 2011-05-12 02:47:12 <Herodes_> I have exhausted many ways to solve this, and therefore I come here.
235 2011-05-12 02:47:58 <doublec> Herodes_: is the receiver seeing 0/unconfirmed as well?
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237 2011-05-12 02:48:11 <doublec> I suspect the transactions haven't left your machine yet if not
238 2011-05-12 02:48:38 <Herodes_> There are a couple of send-transactions that's been stuck for nearly 12 hours at 0/unconfirmed. And also a recent send transaction is stuck at 0/unconfirmed. The first two is a 0.5 and a 0.51 transaction, the 2nd having a fee of 0.1 btc. The third transaction also have a fee of 0.1 btc.
239 2011-05-12 02:48:49 <Herodes_> I will ask him again.
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241 2011-05-12 02:48:55 <Herodes_> Last time I asked him he has not seen it.
242 2011-05-12 02:49:21 <doublec> that's exactly what happened to me yesterday if that's the case
243 2011-05-12 02:49:36 <doublec> I saw 'send' errors in the debug.log immediately after the transaction was created
244 2011-05-12 02:50:01 <Herodes_> doublec: The reciever apparently sees nothing, last time I spoke with him (nanotube) he said he saw nothing, and he asked me to go here and ask.
245 2011-05-12 02:50:32 <Herodes_> The only thing I can think of that I have done wrong is to use two versions of the client on the same data directory, this was an accident, and not intentional.
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247 2011-05-12 02:50:51 <Herodes_> I have tried cleaning all out, and just leaving wallet.dat, and then downloading all the blocks so the block count is updated.
248 2011-05-12 02:50:56 <Herodes_> To no avail.
249 2011-05-12 02:51:10 <Herodes_> So I tought perhaps the bright minds here could help solve this issue.
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251 2011-05-12 02:51:21 <Herodes_> Because if it is a bug, surely more ppl will make this mistake.
252 2011-05-12 02:51:24 <phantomcircuit_> Herodes_, ./bitcoin -rescan
253 2011-05-12 02:51:32 <Herodes_> I have done that too.
254 2011-05-12 02:51:36 <Herodes_> No help in that either.
255 2011-05-12 02:51:39 <Herodes_> Unfortunately.
256 2011-05-12 02:51:41 <phantomcircuit_> (worth a shot)
257 2011-05-12 02:51:53 <lfm> Herodes_: how many connections do you have on the bottom line of the main window?
258 2011-05-12 02:51:54 <doublec> do a -connect to a node with lots of connections
259 2011-05-12 02:51:57 <doublec> then wait an hour
260 2011-05-12 02:52:00 <Herodes_> I can do it again, but I already did that a few times, and it did not help.
261 2011-05-12 02:52:03 <doublec> that's what I did
262 2011-05-12 02:52:49 <Herodes_> I just restarted the client, wait a little while and I will tell you.
263 2011-05-12 02:53:48 <Herodes_> At the moment now, it is 6 connections. I believe it was 17 before I closed down the client and restarted it. The connection number appears to be increasing now.
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265 2011-05-12 02:54:15 <lfm> ok, what is the current blocks count there?
266 2011-05-12 02:54:23 <Aahzmundus> Man, i have a transaction that is on 3 hours old and still not confirmed... something needs to change with people and fees
267 2011-05-12 02:54:44 <Herodes_> I have opened for the recommended port in the router too. (port 8332). It is configured correctly.
268 2011-05-12 02:54:54 <Herodes_> The current block count is 123398
269 2011-05-12 02:55:07 <Diablo-D3> rock and roaded
270 2011-05-12 02:55:28 <Herodes_> I have a few times emptied all files from the AppData/roaming/BitCoin folder and just left the wallet.dat to see if it would catch up, downloaded all the blocks fresh, but it did not help.
271 2011-05-12 02:55:44 <Herodes_> IT seems to me the transactions are stuck in some way? Perhaps not resent from my computer?
272 2011-05-12 02:56:14 <lfm> ok, has it been running all that time or was it down most of the time?
273 2011-05-12 02:56:25 <Herodes_> Diablo: If you with your technical expertise can helpe reslove the issue, I would be greatly greatful, and I am sure others would be too, because this is an issue that could happen for anybody.
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275 2011-05-12 02:56:42 <Herodes_> It has been running steadily for a long time now. I have the computer on 24/7.
276 2011-05-12 02:56:49 <Herodes_> In the same period other transactions have been fine.,
277 2011-05-12 02:57:04 <Herodes_> The difference between these transactions and the others is that I have had a copule of warnings.
278 2011-05-12 02:57:33 <lfm> warnings to add fees?
279 2011-05-12 02:57:43 <Herodes_> 1. When I tried do a 0.5 transaction to nanotube, I was warned that it was a possible double spend. I asume this is because another version of the client had worked on the data directory prior to this.
280 2011-05-12 02:58:06 <Herodes_> 2. When I did the 4.81 transfer, I was asked to accept a 0.1 btc fee because the coin had not aged yet.
281 2011-05-12 02:58:42 <Herodes_> So I suspect there actually is a bug somewhere, probably in the client software, that has not taken into account this scenario of people using different version of the client on the same data directory?
282 2011-05-12 02:59:09 <Herodes_> lfm: Warning or info message. The point is that the message popped up after I had entered the recieving address and entered the amount.
283 2011-05-12 02:59:16 <nanotube> i confirm that i see nothing in my client - and the tx also doesn't show up in bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin
284 2011-05-12 02:59:24 <Herodes_> At the point I did not make a screenshot of it.
285 2011-05-12 02:59:31 <doublec> Herodes_: any errors in your debug.log?
286 2011-05-12 02:59:36 <Herodes_> That's correct nanotube.
287 2011-05-12 02:59:45 <lfm> ok the "possible double spend is still holding up all 3 of those txn then. It seems like the double spend was resolved not in your favor
288 2011-05-12 02:59:55 <Herodes_> I will check my debug.log. I will even upload it for you all to see (that should be safe, right?)
289 2011-05-12 03:00:29 <Herodes_> lfm: It was resolved not in my favour? How's that possible then and why would the double spend affect all 3 transactions?
290 2011-05-12 03:00:41 <vorlov> guys is anyone running a miner in windows 7?
291 2011-05-12 03:00:49 <vorlov> i got a newbie question since i haven't used windows in baout 15 years
292 2011-05-12 03:00:50 <Aahzmundus> vorlov: i am
293 2011-05-12 03:00:59 <Herodes_> Just to make it clear, it was never any attempts at double spending from my side. I have already explained what I did do. :)
294 2011-05-12 03:01:07 <vorlov> Aahzmundus: how can you set up a task scheduler for it to start and actually run
295 2011-05-12 03:01:13 <Herodes_> vorlov: Yes i am
296 2011-05-12 03:01:18 <vorlov> Aahzmundus: i made a batch file and whenever it goes into run it stops right away
297 2011-05-12 03:01:19 <lfm> well the input is split into the output and change, then the change is input for the next txn so all 3 depend on the previous one
298 2011-05-12 03:01:24 <vorlov> im trying to have it start in the evenings
299 2011-05-12 03:01:39 <Herodes_> vorlov: Google windows task scheduler set up task or something and you will find the answer.
300 2011-05-12 03:01:46 <Aahzmundus> ^
301 2011-05-12 03:02:01 <vorlov> ive made a task in task scheduler, but it just goes into run and then ends
302 2011-05-12 03:02:07 <vorlov> is there a log somewhere i can see what it did
303 2011-05-12 03:02:07 <vorlov> ?
304 2011-05-12 03:02:18 <vorlov> or a process list so i can see whats running
305 2011-05-12 03:02:20 <gdoteof_home> day traders dream right now
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307 2011-05-12 03:02:34 <lfm> why is your date 13-05-2011?
308 2011-05-12 03:03:03 <lfm> herodes_ why is your date 13-05-2011?
309 2011-05-12 03:03:30 <Herodes_> Here is my debug.log: http://www.kraftsport.no/debug.log
310 2011-05-12 03:03:36 <Herodes_> I live in Norway.
311 2011-05-12 03:04:32 <Herodes_> So it is: Day-Month-Year
312 2011-05-12 03:04:37 <Aahzmundus> its the 12th in norway currently
313 2011-05-12 03:04:50 <Herodes_> I hope that's not a bug in the client, that would be extremely amateurish. lol
314 2011-05-12 03:05:03 <lfm> Herodes_: your clock/calendar is set wrong
315 2011-05-12 03:05:07 <Aahzmundus> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=187
316 2011-05-12 03:06:05 <lfm> Herodes_: make sure your time zone is set right too
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318 2011-05-12 03:07:44 <Herodes_> Ah. Holy cow, how on earth did that happen.
319 2011-05-12 03:07:56 <Herodes_> It is set correct now.
320 2011-05-12 03:08:12 <Herodes_> And indeed it was one day into the future. \o/
321 2011-05-12 03:08:13 <lfm> so that may be why the net rejected your transactions also, not sure
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323 2011-05-12 03:08:33 <Herodes_> Well, it is adjusted now, also with correct time zone.
324 2011-05-12 03:08:49 <doublec> nice catch lfm
325 2011-05-12 03:09:12 <Herodes_> I did get a warning about the clock, but I tought it was just a general warning, like the warning i get that Nb_no cannot be loaded.
326 2011-05-12 03:09:24 <Herodes_> So when I got the warning about the clock.
327 2011-05-12 03:09:29 <Herodes_> I did check the clock, but not the date.
328 2011-05-12 03:09:34 <nanotube> lfm: so that means that once the real date catches up with the transaction date... it'll go through?
329 2011-05-12 03:10:00 <Herodes_> Uh oh.. I have actually spent btc in the future.
330 2011-05-12 03:10:05 <Herodes_> That's an odd experience.
331 2011-05-12 03:10:09 <Herodes_> Hehehe. ;)
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333 2011-05-12 03:11:09 <nanotube> heh
334 2011-05-12 03:11:28 <Herodes_> Ok, so now that the clock is adjusted, the first transaction has a date now about 50 mins into the future.
335 2011-05-12 03:11:35 <Herodes_> nanotube: One of my bad jokes. :D
336 2011-05-12 03:11:58 <Herodes_> lfm: Good catch btw. Didn't think of a simple solution like that.
337 2011-05-12 03:12:02 <nanotube> well, now leave your client on, and see if eventually the network accepts the rebroadcast.
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339 2011-05-12 03:12:28 <Herodes_> So basically when the time that is set on the transaction comes, then the client will broadcast the transaction to the network, and it will be effectuated eventually?
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342 2011-05-12 03:13:49 <nanotube> Herodes_: i hope so
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345 2011-05-12 03:23:40 <Herodes_> Well. I leave it on then, and the first transaction is set to be sent out at 05:45, in about 30 minutes. But I am not sure if the client sends it at that exact moment or if it sends with certain intervalls.
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348 2011-05-12 03:33:37 <Bill_> Hello,
349 2011-05-12 03:34:05 <Bill_> i dont quite understand what does the GPU or CPU has to do with money and Bitcoins
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351 2011-05-12 03:34:44 <forrestv> what does the 'hash1' in the getwork response mean?
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353 2011-05-12 03:36:22 <phantomcircuit> forrestv, it's midstate of sha256
354 2011-05-12 03:37:08 <forrestv> phantomcircuit, err, i think 'midstate' is that
355 2011-05-12 03:37:22 <forrestv> 'hash1' is a 'preformatted hash buffer', whatever that means
356 2011-05-12 03:38:54 <forrestv> 'formatted hash buffer for second hash'
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358 2011-05-12 03:44:43 <Herodes_> I get the error: "Bitcoin Error" locale 'nb_NO' can not be set. I was wondering how this works. Is there a procedure to implement a language in the bitcoin client? If this is not too much work, I could do it right way.
359 2011-05-12 03:44:53 <Herodes_> Is it just a file with strings that needs altering?
360 2011-05-12 03:45:02 <Herodes_> I can translate it from english to norwegian.
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362 2011-05-12 03:46:17 <Herodes_> ah i found it.
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369 2011-05-12 04:09:52 <jaybny> ;;seen MagicalTux
370 2011-05-12 04:09:52 <gribble> MagicalTux was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 19 hours, 40 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <MagicalTux> BlueMatt, yep, for example
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374 2011-05-12 04:13:23 <MagicalTux> jaybny, you can send me an email, too
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376 2011-05-12 04:13:56 <jaybny> i did
377 2011-05-12 04:16:13 <Diablo-D3> http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/168049
378 2011-05-12 04:16:24 <Diablo-D3> next time on dragonball z: what the fuck is this shit?!
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384 2011-05-12 04:24:51 <jaybny> anyone have a C# websocks impl?
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391 2011-05-12 04:29:08 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
392 2011-05-12 04:29:10 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123409 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1582 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 9 hours, 15 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 206736.16140952
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394 2011-05-12 04:34:28 <ux4> jaybny: check stackoverflow?
395 2011-05-12 04:35:03 <jaybny> i did... its al silverlight and servers.. i just need a way to connect from C# console app client
396 2011-05-12 04:35:33 <jaybny> i kill myself i i have to write the word POST
397 2011-05-12 04:36:42 <ux4> hmm... any protocol, or just raw sockets?
398 2011-05-12 04:40:19 <jaybny> i really never heard of it.. its some kind of layer on top of tcp/ip...
399 2011-05-12 04:41:17 <ux4> JFK911: so the Current Difficult is 157K, the next difficulty is 206K, does that mean the hash difficulty calculations to get a block will go up 30% next week?
400 2011-05-12 04:41:29 <gjs278> yeah
401 2011-05-12 04:41:44 <ux4> FUUUUUUU... I must go mine NOW!
402 2011-05-12 04:42:04 <ux4> my little GPU miners are barely contributing to the pools.
403 2011-05-12 04:43:48 <jaybny> http://superwebsocket.codeplex.com/ will try
404 2011-05-12 04:44:50 <ux4> a 30% bump will probably, means I'm going to have to go buy a real mining rig.
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406 2011-05-12 04:50:01 <Herodes_> ux4: :)
407 2011-05-12 04:51:36 <ux4> Some kid is selling his gaming rig with 5870 in it on craigslist.... $1000, cheaper to build my own ( I don't need the gaming CPU, HardDrives, etc), but I don't feel like waiting.
408 2011-05-12 04:53:30 <Mad7Scientist> How many bitcoins are in circulation?
409 2011-05-12 04:54:09 <Mad7Scientist> ux4, you get 3BTC/day with that
410 2011-05-12 04:56:11 <ux4> 3 BTC / day at ~$6 / BTC = $18 / day * 55.5 days to get to a $1000 (assuming btc hold constant, and not counting electricity..)
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413 2011-05-12 04:57:40 <ux4> once my dwolla account funds, I'll just be lazy and buy bit coins. leave the mining to the kids in the dorm rooms.
414 2011-05-12 04:59:21 <gmaxwell> So, after some odd behavior I observed at Eligius where their bitcoin daemon would go unresponsive right after finding a block, I hypothesized an attack where a bad player causes the network IO of a peer with a new block to block.
415 2011-05-12 04:59:46 <gmaxwell> I went looking at the source to gauge the possibility of this, and I couldn't see how it was possible.
416 2011-05-12 04:59:57 <gmaxwell> Untilâ¦
417 2011-05-12 05:00:00 <gmaxwell> Can anyone explain:
418 2011-05-12 05:00:04 <gmaxwell> $ grep MSG_DONTWAIT *.hutil.h:#define MSG_DONTWAIT 0
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435 2011-05-12 05:22:06 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: that's just an http optimization
436 2011-05-12 05:22:50 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: no wait, I'm thinking of MSG_MORE. MSG_DONTWAIT is non-blocking operation.
437 2011-05-12 05:23:20 <gmaxwell> yea, so, recv()/send() I would have thought was non-blocking appears not to be?
438 2011-05-12 05:23:49 <gmaxwell> I am completely ignorant about this codebase (and mostly ignorant overall)
439 2011-05-12 05:24:07 <gmaxwell> but I see all the network IO in a single select() loop...
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467 2011-05-12 06:26:49 <_ape> does anyone know a json source for current mining difficulty?
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471 2011-05-12 06:28:52 <_ape> ah got it
472 2011-05-12 06:28:52 <_ape> nevermind
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487 2011-05-12 06:53:38 <nanotube> _ape: blockexplorer.com/q/ has it. ,,bc,diff gets it from there
488 2011-05-12 06:53:38 <gribble> 157426.20628986
489 2011-05-12 06:55:37 <_ape> yeah i found it hehe
490 2011-05-12 06:55:59 <nanotube> cool :)
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497 2011-05-12 07:08:34 <x5x> how many miners are requiring tx fees now ?
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505 2011-05-12 07:19:03 <gmaxwell> x5x: the more important question is how many miners are still not adding low priority transactions after 4kb (most, it seems), and how big are blocks getting (>4kb is getting pretty common).
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513 2011-05-12 07:39:26 <Herodes> Can anyone tell me what are the rules for broadcasting transactions from a client? And is there anyway to force a broadcast? My client has currently 0/unconfirmed on 3 transactions, and it seems like they will not leave the client, they're not in block explorer. First I waited for 17 hrs, then I found that the clock on the computer was 24hrs off into the future (wrong date), but now the date of two of the transactions (the date that
514 2011-05-12 07:39:26 <Herodes> is written in the client) has passed, but still no confirmations. And it is about 4 hrs over that limit now, and two of the transactions even has fees attached to them. Anything taht I can do. Seems like these transfers are truly stuck.
515 2011-05-12 07:41:39 <ersi> MagicalTux: Is MtGox Trade Data -> Depth of Market supposed to show duplicates on the same Price? I thought it paired the same price together to a larger Amount
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517 2011-05-12 07:45:30 <tcatm> ersi: try bitcoincharts
518 2011-05-12 07:45:57 <ersi> tcatm: Yes, I have and it's great. I'm just reporting some odd behaviour though
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520 2011-05-12 07:48:32 <tcatm> MagicalTux is rewriting mtgox. that'll probably fix the graphs, too
521 2011-05-12 08:00:55 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
522 2011-05-12 08:00:56 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":5.9,"low":5.1,"vol":21833,"buy":5.402,"sell":5.497,"last":5.451}}
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524 2011-05-12 08:04:55 <ersi> tcatm: Oh heh :)
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526 2011-05-12 08:18:06 <edcba> Herodes: your client should rebroadcast transactions regularly
527 2011-05-12 08:18:28 <edcba> maybe try restarting client to connect to other nodes
528 2011-05-12 08:18:40 <edcba> or connect to more nodes :)
529 2011-05-12 08:19:48 <Herodes> edcba: I hear you. I did some searching on the fourms at bitcoin.org, and it might seem like I have encountered the backup wallet issue.
530 2011-05-12 08:19:51 <Herodes> I will give a link
531 2011-05-12 08:20:00 <Herodes> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5920.0
532 2011-05-12 08:20:31 <Herodes> I think something like that has happened. So I am now playing with my backups to see if I can restore my 5.5 BTC. Thank good it is not 5000BTC
533 2011-05-12 08:21:52 <_ape> what happened?
534 2011-05-12 08:21:58 <_ape> i back mine up on dropbox currently
535 2011-05-12 08:22:00 <_ape> in a private folder :X
536 2011-05-12 08:22:55 <Herodes> if you read that link, then you will see what happened. Something along the scenario there.
537 2011-05-12 08:23:29 <Herodes> Basically it looks like i have some transactions stuck at 0/unconfirmed forever. But the issue at play is the one described in that forum thread.
538 2011-05-12 08:23:42 <Herodes> Pretty good it is only 5.5BTC it is about and not 5000 ! :o
539 2011-05-12 08:23:48 <Herodes> Then I'd been shitting myself.
540 2011-05-12 08:24:31 <Herodes> _ape: Make sure that bitcoin client is closed down before you copy wallet.
541 2011-05-12 08:24:43 <_ape> it cant copy the file otherwise?
542 2011-05-12 08:24:43 <Herodes> And also that transactions are confirmed before you do backup. Just to be sure.
543 2011-05-12 08:24:44 <_ape> or what
544 2011-05-12 08:24:50 <_ape> well i have some blocks maturing still
545 2011-05-12 08:24:53 <_ape> hopefully that doesnt matter
546 2011-05-12 08:24:58 <_ape> theyre all confirmed though
547 2011-05-12 08:25:06 <Herodes> It can copy the file, but I heard it could be in the middle of a write operation, and then corruption of files might occur.
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549 2011-05-12 08:25:13 <_ape> ahh
550 2011-05-12 08:25:14 <_ape> okay
551 2011-05-12 08:25:29 <Herodes> I am not 100% sure that's the case, but so I've heard.
552 2011-05-12 08:25:39 <_ape> one of mine is about to mature in 1 more block
553 2011-05-12 08:25:43 <_ape> guess ill wait till then to close it lol
554 2011-05-12 08:25:47 <_ape> i dont trust that shit
555 2011-05-12 08:25:48 <_ape> :P
556 2011-05-12 08:25:50 <Herodes> yes, better safe than sore.
557 2011-05-12 08:25:52 <Herodes> hehe
558 2011-05-12 08:26:07 <Herodes> I think trust is something one gain from learning the details about the system.
559 2011-05-12 08:26:11 <_ape> yeah
560 2011-05-12 08:26:22 <_ape> its well designed i'm sure the problems are all just implementation errors in the java
561 2011-05-12 08:26:41 <_ape> not that it matters either way, if your wallet.dat dies so does your money :X
562 2011-05-12 08:26:42 <[Noodles]> more important, be sure to encrypt your wallet, before sending it to dropbox
563 2011-05-12 08:27:51 <_ape> yeah
564 2011-05-12 08:27:58 <Herodes> My father don't trust his laptop. If I ever install something on it and there's a new icon on the desktop, he complains loudly, or if I move a spreadsheet icon 2 inches on the screen, then he's all upset and think I break things. Not until I had been doing my computer engineering education for a couple of years, he started to trust me with his computer. He said, well, I asume you know what you're doing. Still a bit sceptical, but he
565 2011-05-12 08:27:59 <Herodes> would not be that upset about minor stuff anymore. But it's kind of understandable. To him the pc is all a mystery.
566 2011-05-12 08:27:59 <_ape> i also have a truecrypt volume i can back it up to
567 2011-05-12 08:28:37 <_ape> yeah people fear what they dont understand :P
568 2011-05-12 08:28:40 <_ape> same as in everything else
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570 2011-05-12 08:36:38 <Herodes> ;;bc,blocks
571 2011-05-12 08:36:38 <gribble> 123439
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589 2011-05-12 08:49:55 <topi`> _ape: it's true. I fear the nationalist right-wing guys, also probably because I don't understand their reasoning :)
590 2011-05-12 08:50:28 <topi`> lots of new ppl coming to this channel. have you just recently discovered bitcoin?
591 2011-05-12 08:50:57 <topi`> somebody ought to make a poll on the forums, which was the reason individuals got interested in bitcoin? which article, etc.
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593 2011-05-12 08:51:39 <_ape> i heard about it like 2 weeks ago
594 2011-05-12 08:51:41 <_ape> from ArtForzZz
595 2011-05-12 08:51:50 <_ape> he seems to be the man behind the curtain for bitcoin at this point lol
596 2011-05-12 08:51:59 <_ape> fuckin fpgas and asics
597 2011-05-12 08:56:07 <topi`> i'm writing a NEON version of the cpu miner, anyone here done asm coding in NEON?
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600 2011-05-12 09:00:14 <_ape> nope just x86 :X
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605 2011-05-12 09:04:30 <Herodes> topi: sounds interesting, but sorry, no, never gone that route.
606 2011-05-12 09:04:33 <Herodes> good luck though.
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609 2011-05-12 09:06:36 <ArtForz> topi`: iirc someone else already wrote one
610 2011-05-12 09:06:45 <ArtForz> performance is rather... meh.
611 2011-05-12 09:07:39 <ArtForz> it does have a Ch() like insn, no native rotate, you can do rotate in 2 ops using a shift + shift-and-add
612 2011-05-12 09:09:01 <ArtForz> and iirc you don't have enough registers to keep a..h and W0..15 in registers while working with full vectors
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614 2011-05-12 09:11:27 <ArtForz> = you have to use 2-wide vectors
615 2011-05-12 09:15:36 <Herodes> ArtForz: Did you get your ASICs array setup and working yet? Impressive job, btw. :)
616 2011-05-12 09:17:18 <ArtForz> still busy building and assembling the 2nd batch of 12 1.6ghps modules
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618 2011-05-12 09:20:47 <topi`> ArtForz: I'm using gcc NEON intrinsics, i'm trying to see how well the compiler schedules all those variables to only 16 registers
619 2011-05-12 09:21:05 <ArtForz> good luck
620 2011-05-12 09:21:24 <ArtForz> gccs vector intrinsics optimization is generally horrible
621 2011-05-12 09:21:36 <ArtForz> 100s of completely pointless movs FNAR
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623 2011-05-12 09:22:53 <topi`> ArtForz: basically I took tcatm's 4way sse2 code and changed it to use NEON instrinsics.
624 2011-05-12 09:23:53 <topi`> and actually found a gcc bug :) it thinks it can't use an argument with a shr intrinsic, because it doesn't realize it will have a value <=31
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628 2011-05-12 09:29:20 <BlueMatt> ;;seen TD
629 2011-05-12 09:29:20 <gribble> TD was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 11 hours, 27 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <TD> i'd be surprised if the bottleneck isn't io
630 2011-05-12 09:29:27 <BlueMatt> ;;seen TDX_
631 2011-05-12 09:29:27 <gribble> I have not seen TDX_.
632 2011-05-12 09:32:30 <sipa> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/f5c5b178fe876c291eb691616c58022166d8505fe6ebf6fca2b94cd5b748fa6a
633 2011-05-12 09:32:47 <sipa> test transaction using the new 0.0005-fee rule
634 2011-05-12 09:33:41 <BlueMatt> nice
635 2011-05-12 09:33:58 <BlueMatt> now we just have to get 0.4.0 out...
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637 2011-05-12 09:35:48 <UukGoblin> mornin' ;-]
638 2011-05-12 09:35:54 <BlueMatt> morning
639 2011-05-12 09:36:18 <sipa> BlueMatt: i finished a first compiling version of walletexport/import yesterday as well
640 2011-05-12 09:36:49 <BlueMatt> sipa: nice, I guess I need to rebase encprivkeys onto that...
641 2011-05-12 09:36:57 <BlueMatt> (because import keys needs to change password of those keys)
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643 2011-05-12 09:37:26 <sipa> i doubt it, i just call AddKey()
644 2011-05-12 09:37:56 <BlueMatt> ah, ok well it would be nice to get export to export them in encrypted form
645 2011-05-12 09:38:22 <BlueMatt> then import does the same (+ change key for them if required)
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647 2011-05-12 09:40:12 <topi`> sipa: what's the new 0.0005 fee rule?
648 2011-05-12 09:40:33 <sipa> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7749.0
649 2011-05-12 09:41:00 <topi`> ok, the tx fee of 0.01 was getting expensive anyways ;)
650 2011-05-12 09:41:09 <topi`> equals more than 5 US cents now
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653 2011-05-12 09:45:43 <Herodes> sipa: Good stuff. Just out of curiosity, what is your development environment?
654 2011-05-12 09:46:07 <sipa> hmm?
655 2011-05-12 09:46:19 <sipa> what system i use?
656 2011-05-12 09:48:13 * BlueMatt wants to know too
657 2011-05-12 09:48:24 <BlueMatt> (what you edit c++ in, how you compile, debug, etc)
658 2011-05-12 09:48:33 <sipa> don't laugh
659 2011-05-12 09:48:40 <sipa> ehm, ubuntu 10.04, xmonad, mcedit, make :)
660 2011-05-12 09:48:52 <BlueMatt> gedit, make here :)
661 2011-05-12 09:48:52 <sipa> gdb and valgrind to debug
662 2011-05-12 09:49:06 <BlueMatt> who needs debug, my code's perfect ;)
663 2011-05-12 09:49:31 <sipa> damn compiling bitcoin takes a long time on my vps with 512MiB ram
664 2011-05-12 09:49:53 <BlueMatt> why vps?
665 2011-05-12 09:50:04 <sipa> because i want to run it there :)
666 2011-05-12 09:50:09 <sipa> and i was too lazy to copy the binary
667 2011-05-12 09:50:18 <Herodes> I am not laughing. I was just genuinly curious.
668 2011-05-12 09:50:46 <topi`> sipa: xmonad is cool :)
669 2011-05-12 09:50:48 <Herodes> BlueMatt: hehe
670 2011-05-12 09:51:01 <sipa> i've actually once used eclipse-cdt for a C project before, and liked it
671 2011-05-12 09:51:02 <BlueMatt> interesting, anyway why xmonad?
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673 2011-05-12 09:51:19 <sipa> no clutter :)
674 2011-05-12 09:51:21 <topi`> BlueMatt: because it lets you concentrate on the stuff, and not handling or shuffling windows
675 2011-05-12 09:51:32 <sipa> (and it's written in Haskell)
676 2011-05-12 09:51:40 <topi`> and you can throw the mouse away, which is a big plus
677 2011-05-12 09:51:50 <BlueMatt> fair enough, though I do like a bit of window control
678 2011-05-12 09:51:50 <sipa> yup, i only use a mouse for browsing
679 2011-05-12 09:52:01 <topi`> sipa: I don't do even that ;) (conkeror)
680 2011-05-12 09:52:21 <topi`> BlueMatt: xmonad does allow you to place individual windows in a 'manual' way
681 2011-05-12 09:52:36 <BlueMatt> how?
682 2011-05-12 09:52:41 <topi`> but it has a slightly deep learning curve ;)
683 2011-05-12 09:52:53 <sipa> there are no windows, just subdivisions of your screen
684 2011-05-12 09:53:00 <sipa> wel, not entirely true, you can have windows as well
685 2011-05-12 09:53:05 <topi`> sipa: well, X11 treats them as windows :)
686 2011-05-12 09:53:57 <BlueMatt> I would like something better than gnome, but it works for now
687 2011-05-12 09:54:09 <BlueMatt> (at least it places windows pretty well thanks to compiz, unlike win/osx)
688 2011-05-12 09:54:56 <sipa> i just started using xmonad once out of curiosity, and became a bit dependent on the keybindings
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690 2011-05-12 09:55:16 <BlueMatt> isnt that how it always works?
691 2011-05-12 09:55:30 <sipa> sure
692 2011-05-12 09:56:33 <topi`> sipa: I started using xmonad in 2008 ;)
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703 2011-05-12 10:48:43 <topi`> damn, my code compiled :D I had to circumvent the gcc bug by inlining the affected instructions by using #defines
704 2011-05-12 10:48:58 <topi`> and now i've got 12000 lines of *.s code ;)
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708 2011-05-12 11:03:11 <BlueMatt> topi`: what are you compiling?
709 2011-05-12 11:05:14 <topi`> BlueMatt: a NEON version of tcatm's sha256_4way.c
710 2011-05-12 11:05:19 <topi`> for jgarzik's miner :)
711 2011-05-12 11:05:23 <BlueMatt> oh god
712 2011-05-12 11:05:31 <topi`> sorry, just for the kicks ;)
713 2011-05-12 11:05:37 <topi`> I wanted to learn NEON intrinsics.
714 2011-05-12 11:05:55 <BlueMatt> ok, I sure as hell hope youaren't planning on mining on that...
715 2011-05-12 11:06:07 <topi`> actually, it is efficient (power-wise)
716 2011-05-12 11:06:16 <sipa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Advanced_SIMD_.28NEON.29 ?
717 2011-05-12 11:06:22 <topi`> because the damn cortex-a8 core consumes <500 mW while active
718 2011-05-12 11:06:30 <topi`> sipa yeah
719 2011-05-12 11:06:34 <sipa> and what hash rate would it give?
720 2011-05-12 11:06:42 <topi`> very low, but i'll test it out now.
721 2011-05-12 11:06:47 <sipa> (rough estimate?)
722 2011-05-12 11:07:11 <BlueMatt> you say "efficient" how does it compare to actual miners? (gpus and asics and such)
723 2011-05-12 11:07:16 <topi`> the integer-only code gives out 250k @ 800mhz, so I'd expect something like double of that
724 2011-05-12 11:07:40 <topi`> because it can do 4way, however there'll be plenty of inefficiencies
725 2011-05-12 11:08:05 <topi`> BlueMatt: it compares pretty well with the best of nvidia, but of course that's not much
726 2011-05-12 11:08:14 <BlueMatt> lol yea
727 2011-05-12 11:09:54 <topi`> i'm afraid that it doesn't fit in the 32K L1 inst cache, that would bring the code down
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729 2011-05-12 11:10:08 <topi`> since there's 12000 lines in the asm output
730 2011-05-12 11:19:15 <topi`> ok, the code seems to stall because of the amount of registers and my sloppy implementation of vector immediate load :)
731 2011-05-12 11:19:27 <topi`> [2011-04-12 07:09:41] 1 miner threads started, using SHA256 '4way' algorithm.
732 2011-05-12 11:19:29 <topi`> [2011-04-12 07:12:53] thread 0: 16777216 hashes, 87.20 khash/sec
733 2011-05-12 11:19:34 <topi`> (you may laugh now :)
734 2011-05-12 11:19:42 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 87.2
735 2011-05-12 11:19:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 87.2 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 245 years, 45 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes, and 16 seconds
736 2011-05-12 11:19:48 * sipa laughs
737 2011-05-12 11:20:23 <topi`> ok, it seems it did *not* inline my vector load funcs :/
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739 2011-05-12 11:20:57 <bitcoinTrader> hi
740 2011-05-12 11:21:01 <bitcoinTrader> need help
741 2011-05-12 11:21:04 <topi`> that's unnecessary branching almost every second instruction in the main SHA256 loop
742 2011-05-12 11:21:09 <bitcoinTrader> just sent 6 btc
743 2011-05-12 11:21:18 <bitcoinTrader> but its showing as 0/offline?
744 2011-05-12 11:21:31 <bitcoinTrader> thee receiver hasnt got yet
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746 2011-05-12 11:21:33 <topi`> bitcoinTrader: that's interesting. have you found your tx from blockexplorer.com ?
747 2011-05-12 11:22:45 <bitcoinTrader> i searched
748 2011-05-12 11:22:54 <bitcoinTrader> recepint ddress on blockexplorer
749 2011-05-12 11:22:58 <bitcoinTrader> its not showing
750 2011-05-12 11:23:06 <topi`> well, if it shows '0' then nobody has accepted it yet
751 2011-05-12 11:23:19 <topi`> it should be somewhere among the pending transactions
752 2011-05-12 11:23:21 <ersi> bitcoinTrader: when did you send the btc?
753 2011-05-12 11:23:27 <ersi> as in more precise
754 2011-05-12 11:23:29 <bitcoinTrader> 10 mins
755 2011-05-12 11:24:02 <bitcoinTrader> the recepient wallet is new
756 2011-05-12 11:24:08 <bitcoinTrader> he created yesterday
757 2011-05-12 11:24:54 <bitcoinTrader> does tht matter?
758 2011-05-12 11:25:10 <topi`> no it does not affect it
759 2011-05-12 11:25:23 <topi`> can you give us the tx id of that transaction?
760 2011-05-12 11:25:45 <topi`> you can find it by wading through the logs in .bitcoin/debug.log
761 2011-05-12 11:25:50 <bitcoinTrader> i sent thru bitcoin gui
762 2011-05-12 11:25:55 <BlueMatt> your client says "0/offline"?
763 2011-05-12 11:26:05 <BlueMatt> then you are not connected to the network, and cant send any txes...
764 2011-05-12 11:26:06 <sipa> that means no other peer requested your tx
765 2011-05-12 11:26:28 <sipa> are you sure you were connected at the time?
766 2011-05-12 11:26:33 <topi`> you need to have peers, and then you need to have the same block count as everyone else :)
767 2011-05-12 11:26:53 <sipa> if you leave the client open and connected, it will reannounce the tx once in a while
768 2011-05-12 11:26:57 <sipa> but it may take a few hours
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770 2011-05-12 11:27:58 <BlueMatt> sipa: any guesses as to best way to chose a key to reuse if keypool.size()==0?
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772 2011-05-12 11:29:34 <bitcoinTrader_> not able to find
773 2011-05-12 11:29:38 <bitcoinTrader_> in debug.log
774 2011-05-12 11:30:35 <bitcoinTrader_> this is wht it shows in status
775 2011-05-12 11:30:41 <bitcoinTrader_> Status: 0/offline?, has not been successfully broadcast yet
776 2011-05-12 11:30:56 <topi`> exactly, it needs to connect to other clients
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778 2011-05-12 11:31:19 <sipa> BlueMatt: good question...
779 2011-05-12 11:31:23 <BlueMatt> (as a side note the general support/discussion channel is #bitcoin)
780 2011-05-12 11:31:44 <bitcoinTrader_> so i have to wait
781 2011-05-12 11:31:48 <bitcoinTrader_> right?
782 2011-05-12 11:31:54 <BlueMatt> no, your client has a problem if it cant connect
783 2011-05-12 11:31:57 <bitcoinTrader_> it will send whenever it connects
784 2011-05-12 11:31:59 <BlueMatt> you should have no problems there
785 2011-05-12 11:32:07 <sipa> bitcoinTrader_: do you have connections?
786 2011-05-12 11:32:08 <BlueMatt> (maybe a restrictive firewall or such)
787 2011-05-12 11:32:17 <bitcoinTrader_> 8 connections
788 2011-05-12 11:32:29 <sipa> i'd suggest wait a few hours
789 2011-05-12 11:32:30 <bitcoinTrader_> i have done 25 transactions
790 2011-05-12 11:32:37 <sipa> if it doesn't change, something's wrong
791 2011-05-12 11:32:37 <BlueMatt> ah, then yea, just wait around
792 2011-05-12 11:32:57 <bitcoinTrader_> first time i got this offline
793 2011-05-12 11:33:15 <bitcoinTrader_> i think i had kept the generate coins on
794 2011-05-12 11:33:21 <bitcoinTrader_> now i have turned it off
795 2011-05-12 11:33:26 <bitcoinTrader_> does tht affect?
796 2011-05-12 11:33:32 <sipa> no
797 2011-05-12 11:33:36 <sipa> but turn it off
798 2011-05-12 11:33:39 <topi`> bitcoinTrader_: what's the current block count your client shows?
799 2011-05-12 11:33:55 <bitcoinTrader_> 123452
800 2011-05-12 11:33:56 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
801 2011-05-12 11:33:57 <gribble> 123452
802 2011-05-12 11:34:11 <topi`> ok, that's fine
803 2011-05-12 11:34:32 <BlueMatt> just wait
804 2011-05-12 11:34:54 <bitcoinTrader_> ok..
805 2011-05-12 11:35:15 <sipa> BlueMatt: maybe both encryption schemes together are meaningful, one to unlock the wallet, one to use keys
806 2011-05-12 11:35:16 <bitcoinTrader_> it shud be auto transmitted whenever it connects
807 2011-05-12 11:35:25 <bitcoinTrader_> right?
808 2011-05-12 11:35:31 <sipa> the first one symmetric, the second one assymetric
809 2011-05-12 11:35:37 <sipa> bitcoinTrader_: only rarely
810 2011-05-12 11:35:40 <sipa> but it will
811 2011-05-12 11:35:44 <sipa> eventually
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813 2011-05-12 11:35:50 <BlueMatt> sipa: ...ok, yes, and this has to do with keypool?
814 2011-05-12 11:36:05 <sipa> BlueMatt: trying to avoid the issue of empty keypool :)
815 2011-05-12 11:36:18 <BlueMatt> ah, well I still disagree with that method of implementation
816 2011-05-12 11:36:40 <BlueMatt> if you want to have a password to decrypt the wallet, you might as well just do just that...
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822 2011-05-12 11:55:21 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|is the default bitcoin app in gui form able to use a bitcoind running at another machine?
823 2011-05-12 11:55:36 <BlueMatt> no
824 2011-05-12 11:56:16 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|special reason?
825 2011-05-12 11:56:27 <taco_the_paco> for the lulz.
826 2011-05-12 11:56:34 <taco_the_paco> oops, wrong channel*
827 2011-05-12 11:56:41 <BlueMatt> because no one has implemented it yet
828 2011-05-12 11:56:53 <BlueMatt> taco_the_paco: well it worked well here too ;)
829 2011-05-12 11:57:08 <taco_the_paco> haha, i suppose ^.^
830 2011-05-12 11:57:08 <BlueMatt> because there are much better things for people to be working on
831 2011-05-12 11:57:49 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|BlueMatt, agreed
832 2011-05-12 11:59:09 <wumpus> Marcel|HSD: why not just use spesmilo
833 2011-05-12 11:59:32 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|wumpus, spesmilo?
834 2011-05-12 11:59:50 <wumpus> yeah let me find the topic, it's an external GUI for bitcoin
835 2011-05-12 12:00:03 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|found it on the wiki
836 2011-05-12 12:00:21 <BlueMatt> (by luke)
837 2011-05-12 12:01:07 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|git clone git://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo.git
838 2011-05-12 12:01:11 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|oops
839 2011-05-12 12:01:24 <wumpus> hehe
840 2011-05-12 12:01:41 <lianj> Marcel|HSD: https ftw
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842 2011-05-12 12:01:50 <ersi> gittery git
843 2011-05-12 12:02:18 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|lianj, hm?
844 2011-05-12 12:02:46 <lianj> https:// instead of git://
845 2011-05-12 12:03:13 <wumpus> somewhat more secure, I guess
846 2011-05-12 12:03:28 <lianj> and maybe works on more firewall too
847 2011-05-12 12:03:33 <lianj> *s
848 2011-05-12 12:04:24 <lianj> github and recent git supports smart-http fetch, so the old git http clone are slow/bad doesnt apply anymore
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851 2011-05-12 12:05:05 <wumpus> dunno about gitorious though
852 2011-05-12 12:05:19 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|it's a lot slower
853 2011-05-12 12:06:32 <lianj> wumpus: oh wow, i actually misread gitorious :| true, they might not support it yet. but should ;)
854 2011-05-12 12:07:54 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|;;bc,gen 4000000
855 2011-05-12 12:07:54 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 25.5568219368 BTC per day and 1.0648675807 BTC per hour.
856 2011-05-12 12:08:37 <taco_the_paco> ^
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858 2011-05-12 12:09:13 <Sedra> ;;bc,calc 4000000
859 2011-05-12 12:09:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 day, 22 hours, 57 minutes, and 15 seconds
860 2011-05-12 12:09:18 <lianj> wumpus: why did bitcoin choose gitorious?
861 2011-05-12 12:09:41 <wumpus> mainline bitcoin is on github
862 2011-05-12 12:10:11 <Sedra> ;;bc,calc 500000000
863 2011-05-12 12:10:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 22 minutes and 32 seconds
864 2011-05-12 12:10:21 <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
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866 2011-05-12 12:11:19 <lianj> is gitorious/bitcoin luke-jr's account then?
867 2011-05-12 12:11:51 <Wodash> Hi everybody
868 2011-05-12 12:12:06 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: how often does bitcoin end up actually creating a new block from getwork's?
869 2011-05-12 12:12:31 <BlueMatt> ie if you mine on a node which re-uses addresses, would it actually give you a problem?
870 2011-05-12 12:12:42 <BlueMatt> (from duplicating work)
871 2011-05-12 12:13:09 <BlueMatt> or sipa or whoever knows
872 2011-05-12 12:13:21 <sipa> it has a timestamp and a nonce to increase
873 2011-05-12 12:13:28 <sipa> the coinbase's extranonce
874 2011-05-12 12:13:46 <BlueMatt> my question is how often does it run out?
875 2011-05-12 12:13:54 <BlueMatt> (ie how much mining power would it take to make it run out)
876 2011-05-12 12:14:26 <sipa> the extranonce is stored as a serialized bignum
877 2011-05-12 12:15:07 <BlueMatt> and how much mining power does that translate to?
878 2011-05-12 12:15:12 <sipa> though it's an unsigned int in the implementation
879 2011-05-12 12:15:15 <BlueMatt> I suppose its not mining power, but getwork's/sec
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881 2011-05-12 12:15:24 <sipa> so that could run out in theory
882 2011-05-12 12:15:41 <sipa> but you'd need 2^32 getworks per second to make it overflow
883 2011-05-12 12:15:51 <BlueMatt> ah yes, ok...
884 2011-05-12 12:15:57 <BlueMatt> so I dont have to worry about that stuff
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886 2011-05-12 12:18:52 <topi`> ArtForz: I noticed from the NEON asm generated by gcc that almost all vector loads are quite immediately consumed. I was wishing for some 20 cycle latent consumption, but alas gcc doesn't want to do that... that's why the code stalls evidently
887 2011-05-12 12:19:54 <topi`> ArtForz: of course, latencies could be controlled by doing hand-crafted asm. or hand-crafted VLSI for that matter ;)
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892 2011-05-12 12:24:00 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|spesmilo is a bit problematic
893 2011-05-12 12:24:08 <anatolV_> ;;bc
894 2011-05-12 12:24:09 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
895 2011-05-12 12:25:58 <LobsterMan> http://i.imgur.com/JktWt.png LOL
896 2011-05-12 12:27:09 <taco_the_paco> ha
897 2011-05-12 12:27:34 <LobsterMan> i don't know if peerblock is actually accomplishing anything in this instance but i think it's interesting info nonetheless :P
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902 2011-05-12 12:35:39 <EvanR> i wonder if my ip is blocked at mining.bitcoin.cz, i cant browse to it
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907 2011-05-12 12:40:27 <mologie> EvanR: their DNS server appears to be down
908 2011-05-12 12:40:35 <mologie> http://178.79.147.99/ works for me
909 2011-05-12 12:40:47 <DukeOfURL> does anyone have ideas about how to escrow bitcoins? without a trusted third party?
910 2011-05-12 12:41:24 <EvanR> isnt the definition of escrow ... trusted third party?
911 2011-05-12 12:41:37 <kseistrup> DukeOfURL: https://clearcoin.appspot.com/
912 2011-05-12 12:41:53 <kseistrup> (but that's 3rd party, of course)
913 2011-05-12 12:42:05 <DukeOfURL> one party sends bitcoins to escrow. first party allow bitcoins to be delivered to one or more parties. after timeout coins revert to first party.
914 2011-05-12 12:43:09 <EvanR> mologie: doesnt work
915 2011-05-12 12:43:20 <EvanR> i can connect from work just fine, but not from home
916 2011-05-12 12:45:10 <EvanR> if i dont get this fixed guess i need to switch away from slush pool
917 2011-05-12 12:45:18 <EvanR> where is he!
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920 2011-05-12 12:49:20 <jrabbit> DukeOfURL: iirc someone was writing a patch to handle this in the bitcoin chain
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922 2011-05-12 12:52:38 <DukeOfURL> kseistrup: clearcoin is about what i need, except i need the funds to disburse to multiple recipients.
923 2011-05-12 12:53:37 <sipa> jrabbit: there are ideas about how to use the script system for such applications, yes
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925 2011-05-12 12:54:42 <DukeOfURL> it's a mental poker application. when a player buys in, the bitcoins go into escrow. When the player goes bust or otherwise leaves the game, the funds are disbursed to the other players.
926 2011-05-12 12:55:01 <DukeOfURL> mental poker is a game without a trusted third party
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928 2011-05-12 12:55:20 <sipa> DukeOfURL: but you'll still need an escrow for those applications, by the way
929 2011-05-12 12:55:29 <sipa> only the power of the escrow is limited
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932 2011-05-12 12:55:42 <DukeOfURL> correct
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944 2011-05-12 13:08:56 <sacarlson> DukeOfURL: poker that's my game I want to modify pokerth with a crypto chain interface
945 2011-05-12 13:10:40 <sacarlson> DukeOfURL: I still havn't figured out how to setup an escrow that can be trusted in the game
946 2011-05-12 13:11:40 <sacarlson> DukeOfURL: I consider just doing transaction on each hand so if some stops paying they can be kicked out
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948 2011-05-12 13:12:52 <UukGoblin> yeah fair p2p poker with bitcoin is bloody interesting
949 2011-05-12 13:12:54 <sacarlson> DukeOfURL: the other option is to setup a 3rd party escrow designed just for poker
950 2011-05-12 13:13:15 <UukGoblin> sacarlson, have you looked into Script and possibilities of non-standard transactions in terms of usage in poker games?
951 2011-05-12 13:14:12 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: I researched the posible escrow in bitcoin but failed to get anything but a flimsy idea with little support
952 2011-05-12 13:14:20 <UukGoblin> i.e. everyone makes a bitcoin transaction to the network that holds the pot, and only proving how the game ended can release the funds to the winners?
953 2011-05-12 13:15:55 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: in an group escrow with a third party I thought just have a vote as long as more than 50% of the players were for it the money would go to the voted player
954 2011-05-12 13:16:36 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: pokerth could be modified to make payment to the escrow and put in a vote at the end
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956 2011-05-12 13:17:10 <UukGoblin> yeah 3rd party escrow might be the only choice, but possibility of true p2p cryptopoker baffles me
957 2011-05-12 13:17:15 <UukGoblin> I think it /might/ be possible ;-]
958 2011-05-12 13:17:31 <UukGoblin> problem is what it's always been: collusion
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960 2011-05-12 13:17:45 <UukGoblin> how can you reliably detect and prevent collusion...
961 2011-05-12 13:17:58 <UukGoblin> I think only a web-of-trust kinda rating system can do it
962 2011-05-12 13:18:07 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: well when someone teaches me or learns how to setup scripts we will surly have p2p escrow with a poker interface
963 2011-05-12 13:19:19 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: ya that would be good to add so you could track any players that were found to cheat and to record posible good players
964 2011-05-12 13:19:31 <UukGoblin> sacarlson, well, I don't have much more than you've already got, i.e. some loose ideas
965 2011-05-12 13:20:20 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: well I also have lots of time, if pointed in the corect direction It could hapen
966 2011-05-12 13:20:45 <UukGoblin> sacarlson, problem with this web-of-trust is, that to detect collusion, you need insight into player's past games and the cards he was holding. Currently 3rd parties are good at that because they can inspect this data. But people might be reluctant to give up their hands to the network cause that might reveal their strategy
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968 2011-05-12 13:21:01 <UukGoblin> sacarlson, awesome that you have time for that :-D
969 2011-05-12 13:21:27 <UukGoblin> genjix might be interested too I think, judging from what he said on the TWIS interview
970 2011-05-12 13:22:21 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: I'm already working with genjix in there project called freecoin
971 2011-05-12 13:22:26 <UukGoblin> ah great
972 2011-05-12 13:22:51 <genjix> topi`: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/9483790.stm
973 2011-05-12 13:22:55 <genjix> topi`: very sad :(
974 2011-05-12 13:22:59 <UukGoblin> one funky lesser-known technology that I'm aware of that could be of use is Shamir Secret Splitting - i.e. maybe you could split the key to bitcoins among players in this way
975 2011-05-12 13:23:27 <UukGoblin> genjix, SHIT!
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977 2011-05-12 13:25:18 <UukGoblin> another thing that you're probably already aware of is LibTMCG
978 2011-05-12 13:25:53 <UukGoblin> at the time it was written the authors said it's too computationally heavy for poker, but with recent graphics card stuff it might be viable
979 2011-05-12 13:26:19 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: ya that would work but if one user feel of the net all would loose everything
980 2011-05-12 13:26:57 <genjix> actually mental poker can work somewhat fast between 2 servers dealing to a bunch of players
981 2011-05-12 13:27:07 <UukGoblin> sacarlson, what specifically? the secret splitting? not really, you can split any secret message into K parts so that at least N parts are required to recover the full message, where N <= K
982 2011-05-12 13:27:25 <genjix> but the servers have to trust each other, however the worst they can do is shuffle the deck less random than they could
983 2011-05-12 13:27:32 <UukGoblin> so if K - N or fewer users drop off, you can still recover the key
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985 2011-05-12 13:27:53 <UukGoblin> genjix, yeah, interserver trust is an interesting concept (rather than interplayer)
986 2011-05-12 13:28:12 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: no never saw that lib before, I wonder what lib pokerth uses
987 2011-05-12 13:29:38 <UukGoblin> sacarlson, that's entirely different to pokerth, definitely do look into it if you want p2p poker
988 2011-05-12 13:29:45 <UukGoblin> client-server approach doesn't need it
989 2011-05-12 13:29:48 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: I love the pokerth user interface and it's cross platform with 100's of players 24/7
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991 2011-05-12 13:30:02 <UukGoblin> but p2p bitcoin poker would be f*ing awesome, cause servers can always be targetted by gov'ts
992 2011-05-12 13:30:20 <UukGoblin> yeah pokerth is definitely worth being used as end-user interface
993 2011-05-12 13:30:44 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: oh for sure I see bitcoin being the new casino chips of the future I knew that first time I saw it
994 2011-05-12 13:31:45 <UukGoblin> yeah, that pops up in my mind too :-)
995 2011-05-12 13:31:54 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: I was just about to start adding print statments in a poketh build to start to find where I needed to probe to start sending to functions to provide payments
996 2011-05-12 13:32:46 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: it would take me weeks to figure out the pokerth code points then if I find what I want wory about the escrow part later
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999 2011-05-12 13:33:51 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: I had already planed to use my weeds chain as test currency or later maybe just use it all the time
1000 2011-05-12 13:34:15 <ersi> offtopic: that name is so silly
1001 2011-05-12 13:34:36 <ersi> Every single time you write about it, I think you're some drug dealer lurking around
1002 2011-05-12 13:34:51 <ersi> Okay, maybe not every. But most of those times
1003 2011-05-12 13:35:13 <topi`> DUH. my cpu miner nearly doubled in speed, when I recompiled it with gcc-4.6 (instead of 4.4.5)
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1005 2011-05-12 13:38:29 <UukGoblin> topi`, wow.
1006 2011-05-12 13:38:46 <UukGoblin> sacarlson, hm, don't you need to look into pokerth protocol rather than the client itself?
1007 2011-05-12 13:38:47 <jrmithdobbs> MagicalTux: i love you for dwolla support, just sayin
1008 2011-05-12 13:38:51 <UukGoblin> (or server)
1009 2011-05-12 13:39:41 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: I wasn't going to mess with the protocol I was just going to run something on the side of it
1010 2011-05-12 13:39:50 <topi`> UukGoblin: I think that just says how shitty gcc is :D
1011 2011-05-12 13:39:51 <UukGoblin> mhm
1012 2011-05-12 13:40:24 <UukGoblin> topi`, hey, it's the best one we've got ;-]
1013 2011-05-12 13:40:41 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,estimate
1014 2011-05-12 13:40:42 <gribble> 200360.31323051
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1016 2011-05-12 13:44:19 <eps1> ;;bc,stats
1017 2011-05-12 13:44:21 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123466 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1525 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 8 hours, 47 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 200223.96244257
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1028 2011-05-12 13:49:27 <sacarlson> where is the hardcoded list of IP address in bitcoind? would that be this list I see in net.cpp ?
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1030 2011-05-12 13:49:35 <sipa> yes
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1033 2011-05-12 13:50:35 <sacarlson> sipa: seems in my test chain it is still connecting to some of those address on port 18333 even when I have setup my net to run on 38333
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1035 2011-05-12 13:52:06 <sacarlson> sipa is it this list unsigned int pnSeed[] = ...?
1036 2011-05-12 13:53:19 <sipa> yes
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1045 2011-05-12 14:04:27 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gen 2400000
1046 2011-05-12 14:04:31 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 15.3340931621 BTC per day and 0.63892054842 BTC per hour.
1047 2011-05-12 14:04:48 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gend 2400000 200223.96244257
1048 2011-05-12 14:04:48 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2400000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 200223.96244257, is 12.0564396187 BTC per day and 0.502351650778 BTC per hour.
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1052 2011-05-12 14:10:05 <zajkfdakls> ;;bc,gen 1400000
1053 2011-05-12 14:10:06 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 8.94488767788 BTC per day and 0.372703653245 BTC per hour.
1054 2011-05-12 14:10:24 <zajkfdakls> ;;bc,gen 4
1055 2011-05-12 14:10:24 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 2.55568219368e-05 BTC per day and 1.0648675807e-06 BTC per hour.
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1060 2011-05-12 14:16:05 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|is memcached actually needed for pushpoold or can you disable it at compile?
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1065 2011-05-12 14:19:15 <mologie> ;;bc,gen 8700000
1066 2011-05-12 14:19:17 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 8700000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 55.5860877125 BTC per day and 2.31608698802 BTC per hour.
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1090 2011-05-12 15:03:52 <luke-jr> lianj: it's a "project", which encompasses many different software programs written by different people
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1096 2011-05-12 15:15:58 <MJDMJD> Hi all
1097 2011-05-12 15:16:30 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|im having a problem with pushpoold. trying to set up my own pool but it's not writing to the mysqldb
1098 2011-05-12 15:16:45 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|i've narrowed the problem down to 2 variables: upstream_result and reason
1099 2011-05-12 15:16:54 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|they always return null
1100 2011-05-12 15:17:07 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|anyone seen this problem before?
1101 2011-05-12 15:17:49 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|if i change the db-mysql code where it writes to the database to write 2 hardcoded values instead of those variables it will happily write
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1105 2011-05-12 15:24:16 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|nm, was just me being stupid
1106 2011-05-12 15:24:25 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|forgot to allow null entries in the sql database
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1110 2011-05-12 15:57:04 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 3000
1111 2011-05-12 15:57:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 7 years, 7 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes, and 35 seconds
1112 2011-05-12 15:57:12 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 3000
1113 2011-05-12 15:57:13 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 3000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 0.0191676164526 BTC per day and 0.000798650685525 BTC per hour.
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1115 2011-05-12 15:58:45 <eps1> ;;bc,calc 12000
1116 2011-05-12 15:58:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 12000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 year, 41 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 23 minutes, and 53 seconds
1117 2011-05-12 15:58:58 <eps1> ;;bc,gen 12000
1118 2011-05-12 15:58:59 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 12000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 0.0766704658104 BTC per day and 0.0031946027421 BTC per hour.
1119 2011-05-12 15:59:39 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 900000
1120 2011-05-12 15:59:40 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 900000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 5.75028493578 BTC per day and 0.239595205657 BTC per hour.
1121 2011-05-12 15:59:50 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 900000
1122 2011-05-12 15:59:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 900000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 week, 1 day, 16 hours, 41 minutes, and 7 seconds
1123 2011-05-12 16:01:22 <jrmithdobbs> did deepbit's pool proxy just drop off the internet or is it just me?
1124 2011-05-12 16:01:27 <eps1> ;;bc,gen 140000
1125 2011-05-12 16:01:27 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 140000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 0.894488767788 BTC per day and 0.0372703653245 BTC per hour.
1126 2011-05-12 16:01:35 <eps1> ;;bc,calc 140000
1127 2011-05-12 16:01:36 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 140000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 7 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 32 minutes, and 54 seconds
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1131 2011-05-12 16:17:12 <eps1> anyone know what hashrate a 6450 gets?
1132 2011-05-12 16:17:23 <eps1> the mining hardware comparison page doesn't list it
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1134 2011-05-12 16:18:17 <ArtForz> not much
1135 2011-05-12 16:20:05 <jrmithdobbs> ;;bc,gen 3300000
1136 2011-05-12 16:20:06 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 3300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 21.0843780979 BTC per day and 0.878515754077 BTC per hour.
1137 2011-05-12 16:20:09 <eps1> yeah, i am sure it is nothing compared to your asics
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1139 2011-05-12 16:20:23 <eps1> but i assume it would be more than a 5450?
1140 2011-05-12 16:20:57 <ArtForz> about 12% of a 6870
1141 2011-05-12 16:20:59 <ArtForz> max
1142 2011-05-12 16:21:17 <ArtForz> min... about 10% of a 6870
1143 2011-05-12 16:21:43 <eps1> hmmm
1144 2011-05-12 16:22:45 <eps1> what is it about the graphics card that determines it's hashing power?
1145 2011-05-12 16:22:59 <UukGoblin> clock and number of cores :-]
1146 2011-05-12 16:23:05 <UukGoblin> core clock
1147 2011-05-12 16:23:26 <cosurgi> deepbit was at 180 GHs, just a minute ago.
1148 2011-05-12 16:23:31 <cosurgi> now it's 300 GHs
1149 2011-05-12 16:23:34 <cosurgi> I wonder what happened.
1150 2011-05-12 16:24:43 <ArtForz> restart prolly
1151 2011-05-12 16:25:10 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|right, pushpool is setup and now logging finally. 2 things, how do i get the current Hash/s it's running at, is guess work based on number of shares a worker submits in a given period?
1152 2011-05-12 16:25:22 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|second thing: how do i know when it's actually found a block
1153 2011-05-12 16:25:46 <[Tycho]> I switched DNS to backup server, but not all DNS-servers respect TTL field.
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1156 2011-05-12 16:29:43 <gjs278> give me the ip of the server I'm supposed to be on
1157 2011-05-12 16:29:48 <gjs278> because my dns will not update for a long time
1158 2011-05-12 16:30:04 <gjs278> and I'll just put that in my hosts file
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1160 2011-05-12 16:30:31 <gjs278> paging [Tycho] for this very important info
1161 2011-05-12 16:32:03 <cosurgi> PING deepbit.net (46.4.99.204) 56(84) bytes of data.
1162 2011-05-12 16:32:27 <gjs278> yeah
1163 2011-05-12 16:32:28 <gjs278> doesnt help
1164 2011-05-12 16:32:31 <gjs278> thats the old one
1165 2011-05-12 16:32:32 <jrmithdobbs> and with deepbit fucked up it's gonna be forever before the next block
1166 2011-05-12 16:32:33 <jrmithdobbs> haha
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1168 2011-05-12 16:32:58 <gjs278> whatever, working now
1169 2011-05-12 16:33:16 <jrmithdobbs> what happened?
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1171 2011-05-12 16:33:41 <ArtForz> somebody set up us the bomb
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1173 2011-05-12 16:34:10 <jrmithdobbs> if i force flush my resolvers (i query at root from them) it should be working now then?
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1175 2011-05-12 16:37:26 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|depends how long it takes to propagate round to your dns server
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1177 2011-05-12 16:37:39 <jrmithdobbs> mosi|work: i control my dns server
1178 2011-05-12 16:37:42 <jrmithdobbs> answer: yes, fixed
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1180 2011-05-12 16:38:00 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|in taht case, yes :P
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1182 2011-05-12 16:43:05 <kika> whats the best place to learn how getwork works? or can someone explain it easly?
1183 2011-05-12 16:44:13 <jgarzik> kika: bitcoin source code is the best place
1184 2011-05-12 16:44:28 <jrmithdobbs> so what happens when the russians after mtgox decide deepbit is a better target?
1185 2011-05-12 16:44:32 <jrmithdobbs> txns stop processing?
1186 2011-05-12 16:44:37 <jrmithdobbs> sounds fun. :(
1187 2011-05-12 16:44:57 <jgarzik> deepbit is russian, I thought
1188 2011-05-12 16:45:25 <kika> can someone explain getwork?
1189 2011-05-12 16:45:27 <ArtForz> the end of the world !!1one
1190 2011-05-12 16:45:38 <[Tycho]> gjs278, both servers are up atm.
1191 2011-05-12 16:45:56 <gjs278> alriht
1192 2011-05-12 16:46:14 <ArtForz> kika: it gets. work.
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1194 2011-05-12 16:46:50 <[Tycho]> Looks like btcex is over...
1195 2011-05-12 16:47:06 <ArtForz> or maybe just check out the source code of any of the half dozen available miners
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1197 2011-05-12 16:47:15 <kika> im planning to do a miner so i need to understand how to get work and calculate the hash
1198 2011-05-12 16:47:27 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|check source of other miners then
1199 2011-05-12 16:47:38 <ArtForz> yes, now if there only were open source mienrs that implemented getwork.
1200 2011-05-12 16:47:41 <ArtForz> oh, wait...
1201 2011-05-12 16:47:46 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|:D
1202 2011-05-12 16:47:51 <kika> ArtForz: i just perform a call to getwork via rpc and i sha256 over the data that getworks returns? thats all?
1203 2011-05-12 16:48:04 <ArtForz> you also increment nonce
1204 2011-05-12 16:48:09 <kika> ArtForz: thats all?
1205 2011-05-12 16:48:14 <ArtForz> and the byte ordering in the hex strings is ... weird
1206 2011-05-12 16:48:23 <ArtForz> other than that, yeah, pretty much
1207 2011-05-12 16:48:51 <kika> ArtForz: so its very easy
1208 2011-05-12 16:48:53 <ArtForz> writing a simple (and sloooow) getwork miner in python takes about 30 lines
1209 2011-05-12 16:49:25 <jgarzik> Simple, slow getwork miner in python, at your service: https://github.com/jgarzik/pyminer
1210 2011-05-12 16:49:25 <kika> ArtForz: "midstate" : precomputed hash state after hashing the first half of the data
1211 2011-05-12 16:49:35 <ArtForz> yes
1212 2011-05-12 16:50:18 <kika> ArtForz: so that i need to sha256 basically? the midstate? the data? the hash1 ?
1213 2011-05-12 16:50:28 <ArtForz> if you are writing a miner, you should already know that sha256 operates on 64 byte blocks...
1214 2011-05-12 16:50:38 <kika> jgarzik: ok thxs! checking
1215 2011-05-12 16:50:39 <jgarzik> kika: sha256(sha256(80 byte block header))
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1217 2011-05-12 16:51:11 <kika> jgarzik: im checking if getwork returns me the block header
1218 2011-05-12 16:51:34 <jgarzik> python work() is about 50 lines, including blank lines and comments
1219 2011-05-12 16:51:36 <jgarzik> :)
1220 2011-05-12 16:51:42 <jgarzik> so maybe 30 lines compacted
1221 2011-05-12 16:51:53 <ArtForz> hmmm... I wonder what that "data" field getwork returns is...
1222 2011-05-12 16:51:54 <jgarzik> kika: that's "data"
1223 2011-05-12 16:52:05 <kika> jgarzik: k checking it thxs
1224 2011-05-12 16:52:12 <kika> jgarzik: so ill need to research what midstate and hash1 are :P
1225 2011-05-12 16:52:29 <ArtForz> midstate is midstate, hash1 is useless
1226 2011-05-12 16:53:00 <kika> ArtForz: ill need to research whats midstate
1227 2011-05-12 16:53:06 <kika> ArtForz: why is hash1 there if its useles??
1228 2011-05-12 16:53:29 <ArtForz> midstate is a..h after hashing first 64 bytes of data
1229 2011-05-12 16:53:43 <ArtForz> and no clue why hash1 is there, it's completely useless
1230 2011-05-12 16:54:03 <kika> ArtForz: ill have to research why midtstate is useful
1231 2011-05-12 16:54:05 <jrmithdobbs> future protocol changes maybe?
1232 2011-05-12 16:54:13 <ArtForz> nope
1233 2011-05-12 16:54:25 <ArtForz> more like "forgot nobody needs that"
1234 2011-05-12 16:54:31 <jrmithdobbs> heh
1235 2011-05-12 16:54:55 <jrmithdobbs> well, now it's there for future changes that wont break miners! see it's a feature
1236 2011-05-12 16:54:59 <jgarzik> over-optimization
1237 2011-05-12 16:55:01 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
1238 2011-05-12 16:55:25 <ArtForz> hash1 is always 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000008000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100
1239 2011-05-12 16:55:25 <topi`> jgarzik: did I mention that I got my NEON version of tcatm's 4way-miner to work?
1240 2011-05-12 16:55:36 <ArtForz> well, except in getwork weird byte order
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1242 2011-05-12 16:55:54 <topi`> jgarzik: I was a bit disappointed to find out that it's not faster than the 'c' version, because evidently the vector loads and stores stall the code a lot
1243 2011-05-12 16:56:21 <jgarzik> topi`: You recreated someone else's work :) mmarker, IIRC
1244 2011-05-12 16:56:26 <ArtForz> yep
1245 2011-05-12 16:56:26 <topi`> grrr
1246 2011-05-12 16:56:32 <topi`> I should always ask first on the channel :)
1247 2011-05-12 16:56:38 <ArtForz> gcc vector intrinsics suuuuuck
1248 2011-05-12 16:56:39 <topi`> well, I think I only invested 3 hours of time to it.
1249 2011-05-12 16:56:39 <jgarzik> or google
1250 2011-05-12 16:56:54 <topi`> ArtForz: indeed. I think the biggest problem is that I can't prefetch with GCC
1251 2011-05-12 16:57:05 <jgarzik> a choice google search string might me "cpuminer neon"
1252 2011-05-12 16:57:09 <jgarzik> *be
1253 2011-05-12 16:57:29 <jgarzik> topi`: ? gcc can prefetch
1254 2011-05-12 16:57:47 <kika> would it be possible to create cpu miners that be faster than gpu miners?
1255 2011-05-12 16:57:59 <ArtForz> kika: thats easy
1256 2011-05-12 16:58:05 <ArtForz> you only have to fidn a REALLY slow GPU
1257 2011-05-12 16:58:19 <kika> ArtForz: like? i386 ?
1258 2011-05-12 16:58:28 <kika> ArtForz: pentium I ?
1259 2011-05-12 16:58:44 <ArtForz> a 4350 is only about 7Mh/s
1260 2011-05-12 16:58:54 <ArtForz> so CPU miners are already faster than a gpu
1261 2011-05-12 16:58:56 <kika> 6990 is 700Mhash
1262 2011-05-12 16:59:02 <ArtForz> a 8600M is only 4.3
1263 2011-05-12 16:59:05 <ArtForz> ;)
1264 2011-05-12 16:59:10 <kika> i mean a CPU miner faster than 900 Mhash
1265 2011-05-12 16:59:20 <ArtForz> yes, in a decade or so
1266 2011-05-12 16:59:23 <TD> are any miners planning on draining the backlog of low priority transactions?
1267 2011-05-12 16:59:37 <TD> it seems there are more and more complaints about these small transactions being delayed
1268 2011-05-12 16:59:39 <kika> ArtForz: so whats the best CPU for mining?
1269 2011-05-12 16:59:57 <ArtForz> i7s or K10s
1270 2011-05-12 17:00:10 <kika> how much are i7s ?
1271 2011-05-12 17:00:18 <kika> ill check it on the wiki nvm
1272 2011-05-12 17:00:21 <kika> thxs
1273 2011-05-12 17:00:25 <jgarzik> TD: none that I saw
1274 2011-05-12 17:00:40 <kika> wondering if i can build a cpu cluster
1275 2011-05-12 17:00:53 <ArtForz> sure you can, the question is... why?
1276 2011-05-12 17:01:10 <topi`> jgarzik: I found the IRC log about mmarker's ventures into NEON mining, but didn't find out if he pushed the code or not
1277 2011-05-12 17:01:15 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik / sipa: you got any feedback on pull request 202?
1278 2011-05-12 17:01:22 <jgarzik> TD: IMO, looking at some of the transactions, I wonder if we shouldn't boost the priority of TX's that include a large number of inputs, and small (1-2) number of ouputs
1279 2011-05-12 17:01:25 <jgarzik> *outputs
1280 2011-05-12 17:01:32 <kika> ok
1281 2011-05-12 17:01:33 <ArtForz> jgarzik: imo, no
1282 2011-05-12 17:01:59 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: see also: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8027.0
1283 2011-05-12 17:02:03 <TD> well, or just let blocks run up to the size limit
1284 2011-05-12 17:02:18 <TD> this business where blocks are only 10kb and transactions stay pending for hours seems bogus
1285 2011-05-12 17:02:39 <ArtForz> no it's not
1286 2011-05-12 17:02:39 <TD> it hurts one of bitcoins basic value proposition - it's fast and cheap
1287 2011-05-12 17:02:48 <ArtForz> look at the rules.
1288 2011-05-12 17:03:01 <jgarzik> TD: which specific transactions do you feel need priority, which are currently marked as low prio?
1289 2011-05-12 17:03:06 <jrmithdobbs> TD: those huge numbers of tiny txns seem bogus imho
1290 2011-05-12 17:03:27 <ArtForz> but yeah, there seems to be a problem with priority propagation
1291 2011-05-12 17:03:30 <TD> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8048.0
1292 2011-05-12 17:03:37 <TD> this guy is trying to spend an output that went into a block yesterday
1293 2011-05-12 17:03:43 <TD> the tx is small. it hardly seems unreasonable.
1294 2011-05-12 17:03:45 <gmaxwell> Looks like it's been another 12 hours and that TX I wrote about is still stuck. (I found it because someone complained about it in #bitcoin)
1295 2011-05-12 17:04:45 <jrmithdobbs> TD: ok ya that's a little excessive, i see what you're talking about
1296 2011-05-12 17:05:49 <topi`> hm, i'll try to move 0.07 as well, lets see what happens
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1300 2011-05-12 17:07:07 <gmaxwell> "my 36btc transaction that I paid fees on took seven days" is not really acceptable. That would get a traditional bank yelled at. :)
1301 2011-05-12 17:07:08 <ArtForz> ?
1302 2011-05-12 17:07:57 <ArtForz> 2cf664377d1923089d0aed9d7aab3f8d51f69c76409a71e3d88b378a13e3612e is a double spend
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1304 2011-05-12 17:08:30 <topi`> my wallet looks really odd, after getting one of those tbc transactions from lukejr with its 2^x figure
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1306 2011-05-12 17:08:41 <TD> oh, hmm
1307 2011-05-12 17:08:42 <TD> you're right
1308 2011-05-12 17:08:45 <topi`> this is what 'listaccounts' outputs me:
1309 2011-05-12 17:08:45 <topi`> "" : -0.02048576,
1310 2011-05-12 17:08:45 <topi`> "temporary" : 0.03000000,
1311 2011-05-12 17:08:45 <topi`> "test2" : 0.00000000,
1312 2011-05-12 17:08:45 <topi`> "testing" : 0.02048576
1313 2011-05-12 17:08:47 <TD> i didn't spot that it's using :0 not :1
1314 2011-05-12 17:08:53 <TD> that's weird. i wonder how he managed that.
1315 2011-05-12 17:08:59 <topi`> how can an account be -0.02 ?? it's actually the complement of 'testing'
1316 2011-05-12 17:09:50 <topi`> did I double spend my account? :)
1317 2011-05-12 17:10:26 <ArtForz> nope
1318 2011-05-12 17:10:29 <ArtForz> thats a feature
1319 2011-05-12 17:10:53 <topi`> what kind of purpose does it serve?
1320 2011-05-12 17:11:07 <kika> jgarzik: # the first 76b of 80b do not change
1321 2011-05-12 17:11:12 <ArtForz> so you can have negative balances internally
1322 2011-05-12 17:11:22 <kika> jgarzik: that means that data is 80 bytes?
1323 2011-05-12 17:11:50 <topi`> ArtForz: I guess this "account" paid the tx fee of the other acct's transfer.
1324 2011-05-12 17:12:19 <jgarzik> kika: correct
1325 2011-05-12 17:12:32 <ArtForz> topi`: yep
1326 2011-05-12 17:13:03 <topi`> ArtForz: I was just baffled why the client wanted to pay -0.02048576 for the txfee
1327 2011-05-12 17:13:10 <ArtForz> lol
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1329 2011-05-12 17:13:35 <jgarzik> TD: so yeah, I think if you drill down to each TX, you'll find a reason for most. if you have a specific txid, like the one ArtForz posted, we can look into it.
1330 2011-05-12 17:13:46 <topi`> first I thought lukejr has hacked into my machine and modified my client :D
1331 2011-05-12 17:14:05 <jgarzik> though personally, I wouldn't mind increasing the free buffer from 4k/27k to 32k/64k
1332 2011-05-12 17:14:36 <TD> yeah
1333 2011-05-12 17:14:45 <TD> or just use a simple ordering
1334 2011-05-12 17:14:59 <ArtForz> yes, the current ordering/scoring system is just weird
1335 2011-05-12 17:15:02 <luke-jr> jgarzik: pushpoold just did some 100%-CPU-no-response hang
1336 2011-05-12 17:15:27 <B0g4r7> spinlock, oh noes.
1337 2011-05-12 17:15:40 <jrmithdobbs> ya it did
1338 2011-05-12 17:15:45 <jrmithdobbs> haha
1339 2011-05-12 17:16:00 <jgarzik> weird? I don't mind the scoring and rate limiting so much
1340 2011-05-12 17:16:17 <ArtForz> it's very... unelegant
1341 2011-05-12 17:16:28 <ArtForz> completely unlike the other bitcoin core stuff
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1343 2011-05-12 17:17:01 <jgarzik> I just think we should increase the size limits for free and low prio tx's a bit. Some of these low prio's are probably "young coins" from bitcoin newbies just getting into CPU mining (before finding out it's vastly unprofitable), and they want to play with their 0.01 BTC :)
1344 2011-05-12 17:17:03 <TD> // Transaction fee required depends on block size
1345 2011-05-12 17:17:03 <TD> bool fAllowFree = (nBlockSize + nTxSize < 4000 || dPriority > COIN * 144 / 250);
1346 2011-05-12 17:17:03 <TD> int64 nMinFee = tx.GetMinFee(nBlockSize, fAllowFree);
1347 2011-05-12 17:17:07 <TD> where do these numbers come from?
1348 2011-05-12 17:17:08 <TD> it does not say
1349 2011-05-12 17:17:54 <TD> bitcoin isn't immune to magic numbers (50 coins per block etc)
1350 2011-05-12 17:17:57 <TD> but there aren't a whole lot of them
1351 2011-05-12 17:18:09 <TD> so i'd agree it's inelegant and worse, hard to debug :-)
1352 2011-05-12 17:18:17 <topi`> jgarzik: or the 0.02 btc they got from the Faucet
1353 2011-05-12 17:18:54 <ArtForz> and for some reason the "propagate score to not-yet-included parents" stuff doesnt seem to work
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1355 2011-05-12 17:19:06 <jgarzik> ArtForz: really? that's annoying.
1356 2011-05-12 17:19:11 <ArtForz> which is why that one tx with a decent score but a 0/unconf input will take ages to get in
1357 2011-05-12 17:19:20 <jgarzik> luke-jr: :(
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1359 2011-05-12 17:20:04 <jgarzik> ArtForz: well that makes sense... as long as the tx can go into same block as parent, on the miner side
1360 2011-05-12 17:20:09 <BitMark> how does bitcoin faucet send btc?
1361 2011-05-12 17:20:47 <BitMark> does it have tx code running in GAE?
1362 2011-05-12 17:20:50 <topi`> BitMark: Gavin chops his coins to pieces of 0.02 and then sends a tx to anyone who got past the Google test ;)
1363 2011-05-12 17:20:54 <ArtForz> take a look at a08dd2cf23ef983e4b664b6cc806b9e663771c759bace685b59f0286b4841a67
1364 2011-05-12 17:21:17 <TD> BitMark: it does RPC to a node he runs
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1367 2011-05-12 17:21:42 <jgarzik> if I were doing things from scratch, I would... set one limit (~64k) for free txs, sort TX's according to priority, and fill as many as possible into the 64k area
1368 2011-05-12 17:21:46 <BitMark> and that is over https i guess
1369 2011-05-12 17:21:47 <luke-jr> TD: that stuff is all miner policy; you can change it to anything
1370 2011-05-12 17:22:04 <TD> yeah i know
1371 2011-05-12 17:22:08 <TD> if i were a miner, i would be tempted to do so :)
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1373 2011-05-12 17:22:16 <BitMark> what would be best practice for securing such a node?
1374 2011-05-12 17:22:27 <topi`> jgarzik: "load-balancing" ? :) yep, now you see many many blocks that use less than 4k for transactions
1375 2011-05-12 17:22:44 <luke-jr> TD: Eligius has different policies
1376 2011-05-12 17:23:04 <TD> ok
1377 2011-05-12 17:23:11 * TD -> home
1378 2011-05-12 17:23:14 <jgarzik> luke-jr: any debugger details? coredump?
1379 2011-05-12 17:23:17 TD is now known as TD[gone]
1380 2011-05-12 17:23:17 <ArtForz> a08dd2cf23ef983e4b664b6cc806b9e663771c759bace685b59f0286b4841a67 has a dPrio of > 5160*COIN
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1382 2011-05-12 17:23:19 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: RE: increasing size limits: I think we should change the definition of "very low priority"
1383 2011-05-12 17:23:30 <[Tycho]> "<jgarzik> I just think we should increase the size limits for free and low prio tx's a bit" - I agree.
1384 2011-05-12 17:23:43 <ArtForz> has been sitting for 8 hours+
1385 2011-05-12 17:23:57 <gavinandresen> Get up and stretch, ArtForz
1386 2011-05-12 17:24:01 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I had to restart it ASAP for the miners :p
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1388 2011-05-12 17:24:01 <ArtForz> because it's first input is 0febf4ff82314ee86f67fe5458b6c1ddb26c767e656245fbc82d1c6a2c5d0eae
1389 2011-05-12 17:24:04 <luke-jr> lemme look at core file
1390 2011-05-12 17:24:12 <jgarzik> luke-jr: if core dumps are turned off, (a) turn them on, and (b) when that issue happens, kill it in such a way that coredump is dropped
1391 2011-05-12 17:24:18 <ArtForz> whioch is still not in a block and has a prio of only 0.024*COIN
1392 2011-05-12 17:24:20 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: on the one hand i think you're right because it's a bad impression on new comers when their test (small) txns take forever
1393 2011-05-12 17:24:22 <ArtForz> errr
1394 2011-05-12 17:24:24 <ArtForz> yea
1395 2011-05-12 17:24:45 <luke-jr> jgarzik: my core dump seems to be useless :/
1396 2011-05-12 17:24:51 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: on the other hand how do you enforce processing at least some small txns without fees without encourging spam?
1397 2011-05-12 17:24:51 <jgarzik> luke-jr: gdb won't load it?
1398 2011-05-12 17:24:55 <ArtForz> if I read our priority calc stuf right, the high prio tx *should* pull in the low prio 0/unconf partent... but for some reason it doesn't
1399 2011-05-12 17:24:57 <gavinandresen> So: very-low-priority right now is "a brand new 1-BTC coin is very-low-priority for 24 hours." (144 confirmations)
1400 2011-05-12 17:24:58 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's all ?s
1401 2011-05-12 17:25:06 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: spam is inevitable with free TXs
1402 2011-05-12 17:25:19 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: well i mean high volumes of it
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1404 2011-05-12 17:25:33 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: we already rate-limit free TX relaying
1405 2011-05-12 17:25:49 <gmaxwell> ArtForz: you saw 2e74980e03fc0e3ca3c73379f07661afada17cf2103e196bb59345409a6945c8 right?
1406 2011-05-12 17:25:55 <gmaxwell> (the one I posted about)
1407 2011-05-12 17:26:10 <ArtForz> yeah ,same thing
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1409 2011-05-12 17:26:37 <ArtForz> looks like the "high prio tx pull in their parents" stuff doesn't work
1410 2011-05-12 17:26:39 <gmaxwell> From a spam perspective there is a huge difference between free and insanely cheap but not free... but is there much difference from a user perspective?
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1414 2011-05-12 17:26:56 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: ya but what's to stop someone with 50 coins from flooding the backlog of txns with 5000 .01 txns?
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1417 2011-05-12 17:27:24 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: that fact that they could have converted those coins to about $300 US instead?
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1419 2011-05-12 17:27:40 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: i know plenty of people who have spent well over $300 for lulz
1420 2011-05-12 17:27:49 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: do not underestimate asshattery
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1422 2011-05-12 17:27:59 <gavinandresen> Seems to me changing the very-low-priority definition to "1BTC is very-low-priority for 1 hour" would be better. then a .01 BTC would be very-low-priority for 100 hours, which should be long enough to slow down txn spamming.
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1425 2011-05-12 17:28:23 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: seems fair
1426 2011-05-12 17:28:34 <jrmithdobbs> that's a great idea
1427 2011-05-12 17:28:48 <gmaxwell> I imagine a lot of bitcoin users' first spends are things like 0.01 BTC to some silly site. It would be unfortunate if they almost always had a bad expirence.
1428 2011-05-12 17:29:04 <gavinandresen> newbies will still wonder why it take 4 days for their 0.01 BTC to confirm, but la-di-da.
1429 2011-05-12 17:29:33 <gmaxwell> (I guess sites expecting 0.01 payments should not be holding for confirmations!)
1430 2011-05-12 17:29:47 <gavinandresen> They'll be asked to pay a 0.0005 fee next version, and their txn will confirm quick
1431 2011-05-12 17:29:55 <galaxyAbstractor> is it possible to make payments from another app than the bitcoin client, like a browser plugin?
1432 2011-05-12 17:29:55 <gavinandresen> (if they're running latest version....)
1433 2011-05-12 17:30:06 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: solves that then.
1434 2011-05-12 17:30:11 <gavinandresen> galaxyAbstractor: see instawallet.org
1435 2011-05-12 17:30:12 <BitMark> gavinandresen: what is best practice for securing bitcoind for an exchange?
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1437 2011-05-12 17:30:38 <gavinandresen> BitMark: see any book on securing servers
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1439 2011-05-12 17:31:10 <BitMark> gavinandresen: would you ever store keys in a GAE datastore?
1440 2011-05-12 17:31:11 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: oh, change of subject. I think a 0.3.22 would be nice, with current git + #215 (move acct bal neg), maybe #213 (upnp fixes), maybe #192 (-dns for -addnode, -connect). We have enough fixes and tweaks to make a pre-0.4 version, IMO. Then 0.4 could have wallet crypt + autotools, which will take a long time for people to test and get right.
1441 2011-05-12 17:31:12 <gavinandresen> (keep the passwords safe, encrypt the hard drive and require that an admin enter password on server restart, etc)
1442 2011-05-12 17:31:30 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: would like to get TX fee change out there, prior to long wait for 0.4
1443 2011-05-12 17:32:32 <gavinandresen> BitMark: good question, I haven't thought it through. I don't, and would look at what google says about GAE datastore security.
1444 2011-05-12 17:33:01 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: agreed. Want to volunteer to do the release? I'm pretty busy getting ready to go to France
1445 2011-05-12 17:33:14 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I can do everything but builds
1446 2011-05-12 17:33:36 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: hey, crypter is almost done...
1447 2011-05-12 17:33:37 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: well, I think need some sort of SF access to post a -rc tarball
1448 2011-05-12 17:33:38 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt seems to be on top of builds (with devrandom )
1449 2011-05-12 17:33:48 <BlueMatt> and Ive finally got free time tomorrow (no exams :))
1450 2011-05-12 17:34:03 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: not quite ready to go (the client build script is still a WIP)
1451 2011-05-12 17:34:04 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: you have a sourceforge account?
1452 2011-05-12 17:34:11 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: yep, 'jgarzik'
1453 2011-05-12 17:34:20 <BlueMatt> client download script, sorry
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1455 2011-05-12 17:35:02 <topi`> gavinandresen: did the French secret service invite you to France? :)
1456 2011-05-12 17:35:05 <ux4> just: gpg --encrypt --output wallet.dat.gpg.enc < wallet.dat then upload to GAE. User has to keep their keys safe, or you move the gpg keys up also, but require passwords
1457 2011-05-12 17:35:15 <ux4> similar to the way lastpass runs their app.
1458 2011-05-12 17:35:32 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: Paris is fscking awesome. I used to work for MandrakeSoft, which was based in Paris. Then I married a woman with French relatives. It's a blast.
1459 2011-05-12 17:35:37 <gavinandresen> topi`: yes, but if I admit it then they promised to kill me.
1460 2011-05-12 17:35:49 <topi`> hehe
1461 2011-05-12 17:36:04 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: when do you return? A good plan might be me doing -rc, and you roll final once you return
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1463 2011-05-12 17:36:19 <gavinandresen> speaking of builds, I never did get around to releasing the build AMIs....
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1465 2011-05-12 17:36:34 <thedrs> does anyone know anything about very old PCIE (x16) boards not being able to handle new ATI gfx cards ?
1466 2011-05-12 17:36:57 <gavinandresen> I leave a week from today, get back June 3
1467 2011-05-12 17:37:01 <gavinandresen> I will have net access
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1469 2011-05-12 17:37:25 <BitMark> gavinandresen: Google: "We take security very seriously and have measures in place to protect your code and application data."
1470 2011-05-12 17:37:30 <thedrs> hi gavin, liked your cast in this week in startups
1471 2011-05-12 17:37:38 ribuck has left ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
1472 2011-05-12 17:37:40 <gavinandresen> thedrs: thanks@!
1473 2011-05-12 17:38:12 <BitMark> does mike ever frequent irc?
1474 2011-05-12 17:38:39 <topi`> gavinandresen: you should do a show with the French as well ;)
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1476 2011-05-12 17:39:26 <thedrs> gavinandresen: the future is in explaining the concept and improving the expanation from one iteration to the next using metaphors that help non technically inclined ppl to understand too (or at least intrigue them enough to start investigating on their own)
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1478 2011-05-12 17:39:57 <nathan7> bloop
1479 2011-05-12 17:39:58 <jgarzik> gavinandresen, BlueMatt: when Linus does a release, uploading the final tarball + git push to kernel.org, we call it "sprinkling holy penguin pee" on the code. So how does this sound: (a) I'll do 0.3.22-rc[1-N] with current git + pulls describe above in next couple days, (b) lean on BlueMatt and devr for builds, (c) wait a week for comments and bug reports, and finally (d) prep final build and await the holy bitcoin
1480 2011-05-12 17:39:58 <jgarzik> pee from you.
1481 2011-05-12 17:40:19 <gavinandresen> thedrs: hopefully the future is people who aren't geeks explaining bitcoin to people who aren't geeks....
1482 2011-05-12 17:40:39 * nathan7 nods at gavinandresen
1483 2011-05-12 17:40:43 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: indeed
1484 2011-05-12 17:40:54 <thedrs> agree
1485 2011-05-12 17:41:08 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: sounds good
1486 2011-05-12 17:41:08 <topi`> everyone, who has a girlfriend? :)
1487 2011-05-12 17:41:13 <ArtForz> so basically bitcoins eternal september *ducks*
1488 2011-05-12 17:41:18 <nathan7> :o
1489 2011-05-12 17:41:32 <topi`> yeah, we need some *female* bitcoin users.
1490 2011-05-12 17:42:13 <B0g4r7> lol
1491 2011-05-12 17:42:15 <krekbwoy> is there any technical documentation except satoshis paper and the source code?
1492 2011-05-12 17:42:16 <gavinandresen> fee what?
1493 2011-05-12 17:42:19 <jgarzik> there'll be plenty once bitcoin moves out of the geek realm. when you can buy coffee with a BitBill.
1494 2011-05-12 17:42:27 <B0g4r7> My wife just knows that I do "some crazy bitcoin thing"
1495 2011-05-12 17:42:37 <ux4> Wife + 4 kids
1496 2011-05-12 17:42:44 <jrmithdobbs> we need a good smartcard wallet implementation ;P
1497 2011-05-12 17:42:48 <jgarzik> my wife now watches bitcoinwatch.com, and keeps telling me "let it ride!"
1498 2011-05-12 17:43:04 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: my gf too, lol
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1500 2011-05-12 17:43:11 <gavinandresen> my wife isn't calling it a "pretend money project" any more
1501 2011-05-12 17:43:36 <jrmithdobbs> lol
1502 2011-05-12 17:43:38 <jgarzik> it's still officially "play money" in this household :) helps her keep her sanity
1503 2011-05-12 17:43:45 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: that's real progress right there
1504 2011-05-12 17:44:21 <thedrs> krekbwoy: yeah i was looking for some techincal stuff about the process too (i found this http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3493.0)
1505 2011-05-12 17:44:25 <ux4> anyone working on a distributed exchange client yet?
1506 2011-05-12 17:45:07 <topi`> my wife is asking how much the bitcoin is worth now :D maybe in anticipation of cashing out the investments...
1507 2011-05-12 17:45:26 <gavinandresen> krekbwoy: there's good info on the bitcoin wiki. Look in the Technical category
1508 2011-05-12 17:45:54 <krekbwoy> ah, thanks
1509 2011-05-12 17:46:00 <krekbwoy> to both of you
1510 2011-05-12 17:46:01 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: new release right now sounds good but...the only people the community trusts for builds right now is probably you or gavin, and neither of you have time to/can build atm so...
1511 2011-05-12 17:46:07 <gavinandresen> If it isn't in the wiki, it is in the source code. So read that, then add a nice wiki page to share what you learn....
1512 2011-05-12 17:46:46 <topi`> BlueMatt: maybe we should get Linus on board ;)
1513 2011-05-12 17:46:48 <krekbwoy> still trying to wrap my head around how everything fits together
1514 2011-05-12 17:47:03 <BlueMatt> topi`: if linus would build bitcoin, I would personally pay him some...
1515 2011-05-12 17:47:17 <BlueMatt> though I have a feeling there's a chicken+egg problem in there somewhere
1516 2011-05-12 17:47:24 <topi`> BlueMatt: I know him from the years when he still taught at Helsinki University :)
1517 2011-05-12 17:47:33 <ux4> besides trust and personal time to make a build, are they any other hurdles?
1518 2011-05-12 17:47:36 <BlueMatt> if you could get him on board...
1519 2011-05-12 17:47:43 <BlueMatt> ux4: not really
1520 2011-05-12 17:48:05 <thedrs> krekbwoy: there is a good explanation on the "security now" podcast (lookup the bitcoin episode)
1521 2011-05-12 17:48:38 <BlueMatt> Ive heard omegatau is great too
1522 2011-05-12 17:48:44 <topi`> making a build is just a lot of testing and checking out and making sure
1523 2011-05-12 17:48:48 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: it's just -rc. like I mentioned, we'd get gavinandresen to sprinkle holy bitcoin pee on the final. either uploading it himself, or logging in remotely to build the final, or whatever works for gavin.
1524 2011-05-12 17:48:59 <gavinandresen> I did a deep "how everything fits together" podcast: http://omegataupodcast.net/2011/03/59-bitcoin-a-digital-decentralized-currency/
1525 2011-05-12 17:49:01 <BlueMatt> fair enough
1526 2011-05-12 17:49:02 <ux4> hmmm... I've setup several build systems for work. thinking.... maybe building a trusted build server that can would have some trusted keys... still thinking....
1527 2011-05-12 17:49:25 <BlueMatt> ux4: there is a new build system in the works...but its not 100 % ready yet
1528 2011-05-12 17:49:33 <BlueMatt> close though, will probably be used for 0.4.0
1529 2011-05-12 17:49:45 <cosurgi> my wife doesn't want to know anything about that, but she appreciates extra cash in our regular bank account.
1530 2011-05-12 17:50:06 <edcba> ;;bt,mtgox
1531 2011-05-12 17:50:06 <gribble> Error: "bt,mtgox" is not a valid command.
1532 2011-05-12 17:50:10 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
1533 2011-05-12 17:50:10 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":5.95,"low":5.1,"vol":28231,"buy":5.8012,"sell":5.89,"last":5.8105}}
1534 2011-05-12 17:50:15 <edcba> wtf
1535 2011-05-12 17:50:27 <krekbwoy> thedrs: ah, thanks, I'll check it out
1536 2011-05-12 17:50:32 <BlueMatt> yea, I kinda expected a fall after the 5.75 of two days ago
1537 2011-05-12 17:50:35 <BlueMatt> but no crash yet...
1538 2011-05-12 17:51:04 <edcba> maybe i should sell my bitcoins at some time lol
1539 2011-05-12 17:51:08 <Blitzboom> me too. wtf is this
1540 2011-05-12 17:51:09 <ux4> builiding brand trust is important, but do the masses really care? (they woul d if somebody every cheated). Most of trust that our browser doesn't have an SSL back door. We use Firefox, b/c we trust they are doing it right, but they don't
1541 2011-05-12 17:51:19 <Blitzboom> ArtForz should sell his coins already :D
1542 2011-05-12 17:51:41 <ux4> I should say, they *might* not.
1543 2011-05-12 17:51:41 <edcba> i bet he already sold some
1544 2011-05-12 17:51:57 <ux4> sale them all to me.
1545 2011-05-12 17:52:11 <jgarzik> satoshi is livin' large, sippin' gin and juice, sailing his 1 mil BTC yacht around the world.
1546 2011-05-12 17:52:17 <nathan7> :o
1547 2011-05-12 17:52:27 <edcba> haha
1548 2011-05-12 17:52:43 <BlueMatt> or satoshi has been selling this whole time trying to keep the price down, but just ran out 2 days ago
1549 2011-05-12 17:53:03 <nathan7> I'm still annoyed I sold those 700 coins a while ago and they were $47
1550 2011-05-12 17:53:12 <edcba> lool
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1552 2011-05-12 17:53:26 <BlueMatt> Im holding on to mine till the crash, and maybe later too
1553 2011-05-12 17:53:30 <thedrs> gavinandresen: thanks didn't know about that podcast, i was actually looking for like the "advanced issues in bitcoin" post/podcast something that goes ahead and beyond the beginners how it works kind of posts
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1555 2011-05-12 17:53:42 <topi`> nathan7: bad luck :D
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1557 2011-05-12 17:54:01 <nathan7> this time I'm not selling early
1558 2011-05-12 17:54:14 <nathan7> or I could sell it slowly, hrm
1559 2011-05-12 17:54:18 <edcba> ok wait
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1561 2011-05-12 17:54:25 * edcba calcs
1562 2011-05-12 17:54:37 <edcba> at $6/BTC that means
1563 2011-05-12 17:54:38 <topi`> I need some btc "on the bottom of the counter" to start a (yet another) btc exchange
1564 2011-05-12 17:54:49 <edcba> $300/hour ?
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1566 2011-05-12 17:55:00 <edcba> err
1567 2011-05-12 17:55:03 <nathan7> at $6/BTC... whoa, whoa
1568 2011-05-12 17:55:04 <edcba> $3000/hour ?
1569 2011-05-12 17:55:14 <nathan7> every day I become more sorry about selling those 700 coins early
1570 2011-05-12 17:55:53 <topi`> nathan7: you sound like my friend, who sold his shares in a company they founded when they were young hackers, and then later on some big finnish company bought it all in 2000 :D
1571 2011-05-12 17:55:57 <topi`> before the bubble burst
1572 2011-05-12 17:55:58 <ux4> Some of the horders, should start trading (buying and selling) to give the market more volume and more stability. Just buy and sale with enough profit to cover the commissions.
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1574 2011-05-12 17:56:10 <nathan7> topi`: hmm
1575 2011-05-12 17:56:32 <topi`> nathan7: I know he could have had like 200 000 eur worth of the stock of the acquiring company :D
1576 2011-05-12 17:56:37 <topi`> but he *didn't* ;)
1577 2011-05-12 17:56:44 <nathan7> Did bitcoincharts die?
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1579 2011-05-12 17:57:15 <Blitzboom> letâs see what S0532 has to say about this
1580 2011-05-12 17:57:33 <ux4> nathan7: down http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/bitcoincharts.com
1581 2011-05-12 17:57:34 <topi`> i'm not particularly fond of S0532's forecasts
1582 2011-05-12 17:57:36 <Blitzboom> he keeps predicting a correction, and then it goes 1$ higher
1583 2011-05-12 17:57:39 <Blitzboom> every fucking time
1584 2011-05-12 17:57:43 <topi`> he uses a lot of fancy but nonsensical terms.
1585 2011-05-12 17:57:44 <nathan7> It's just you. http://bitcoincharts.com is up.
1586 2011-05-12 17:57:49 <nathan7> lolwut? :O
1587 2011-05-12 17:58:02 <nathan7> ux4: lol, synced thought count++
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1589 2011-05-12 17:58:11 <ux4> jinx!
1590 2011-05-12 17:59:50 <gavinandresen> technical analysis is bullshit. It is just money pareidolia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
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1592 2011-05-12 18:00:26 <Blitzboom> i agree, but some people believe in it => self-fulfilling prophecy
1593 2011-05-12 18:00:45 <Blitzboom> itâs like money â it only has value because i believe others believe it does
1594 2011-05-12 18:00:55 * nathan7 nods
1595 2011-05-12 18:01:02 <nathan7> Money is so wonderfully paradoxical
1596 2011-05-12 18:01:09 <lianj> luke-jr: lol, orly? oO
1597 2011-05-12 18:01:10 <nathan7> well, tautological
1598 2011-05-12 18:01:12 Stellar has joined
1599 2011-05-12 18:01:26 <BlueMatt> I really dont know how much stock people actually take in s0532's stuff, if they did, it would have corrected several times
1600 2011-05-12 18:02:03 <Blitzboom> i bet a correction will still come
1601 2011-05-12 18:02:09 <gavinandresen> most of his predictions seem to be of the form "it will go up! Unless it doesn't, in which case it will go down."
1602 2011-05-12 18:02:12 <Blitzboom> i just donât know how high it will get before, lol
1603 2011-05-12 18:02:37 <luke-jr> lianj: â¦yes
1604 2011-05-12 18:03:01 <ArtForz> gavinandresen: which is most likely correct
1605 2011-05-12 18:03:05 <nathan7> :|
1606 2011-05-12 18:03:07 <lianj> luke-jr: i was asking about the account on gitoriousâ¦
1607 2011-05-12 18:03:14 <luke-jr> lianj: it isn't an account
1608 2011-05-12 18:04:38 <BitMark> the future will be different, unless it isn't :)
1609 2011-05-12 18:05:12 <nathan7> ;;bc,mtgox
1610 2011-05-12 18:05:13 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":5.95,"low":5.1,"vol":28336,"buy":5.8003,"sell":5.83,"last":5.8002}}
1611 2011-05-12 18:07:04 <phantomcircuit> lol so i was getting new glasses yesterday
1612 2011-05-12 18:07:14 <phantomcircuit> and the optometrist knew about bitcoins
1613 2011-05-12 18:07:16 <phantomcircuit> i was like
1614 2011-05-12 18:07:17 <phantomcircuit> wat
1615 2011-05-12 18:07:32 lumos has joined
1616 2011-05-12 18:07:47 <phantomcircuit> so anybody in here have an optometristfor a boyfriend?
1617 2011-05-12 18:08:08 <cosurgi> lol
1618 2011-05-12 18:08:17 <sethsethseth____> lol
1619 2011-05-12 18:08:18 eternal11 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1620 2011-05-12 18:08:19 <sethsethseth____> so awesome
1621 2011-05-12 18:08:27 <sethsethseth____> everyone will know about it in a year
1622 2011-05-12 18:08:55 <gavinandresen> ... we just gotta work to make sure the wheels don't fall off before then...
1623 2011-05-12 18:09:00 <cosurgi> but only ArtForz will be rich by then
1624 2011-05-12 18:09:11 <lianj> luke-jr: oh, didnt know that. gotta lookup how gitorious work now..
1625 2011-05-12 18:09:22 <BlueMatt> sethsethseth____: could you add any more _'s to your name, its not quite long enough?
1626 2011-05-12 18:09:33 <BitMark> which wheel is likely to fall off first?
1627 2011-05-12 18:09:41 <sethsethseth____> i think its cause i keep disconnecting
1628 2011-05-12 18:09:50 <BlueMatt> yea, thats usually the cause
1629 2011-05-12 18:09:59 <cosurgi> gavinandresen: or it could fall apart if someone will crack sha256. Is there a built-in way of switching whole network to more complex algorithm?
1630 2011-05-12 18:10:04 <BlueMatt> old logins dont timeout->nick already taken-> more _s are added
1631 2011-05-12 18:10:37 <gavinandresen> cosurgi: stop worrying about "it ain't gonna happen" things. cracking sha256 ain't gonna happen.
1632 2011-05-12 18:11:18 <jrmithdobbs> *without quantum computing
1633 2011-05-12 18:11:28 <jrmithdobbs> but if that comes to pass we got MUCH bigger problems.
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1635 2011-05-12 18:11:39 <cosurgi> gavinandresen: well, if each blocks will consist in 80% of zeros, they will be hard to distinguish from each other. And thiw will happen in less than 100 years.
1636 2011-05-12 18:11:43 <BlueMatt> sethsethseth____: /nick sethsethseth
1637 2011-05-12 18:11:44 ArtForzZz has joined
1638 2011-05-12 18:12:00 <ArtForzZz> zs totally beat _s
1639 2011-05-12 18:12:35 <cosurgi> quantum computing is still in development :)
1640 2011-05-12 18:12:36 <BitMark> cosurgi: bitcoin only needs to be viable for the next 30 years
1641 2011-05-12 18:12:49 <cosurgi> BitMark: what after?
1642 2011-05-12 18:12:55 <gavinandresen> singularity!
1643 2011-05-12 18:12:58 <BitMark> cosurgi: bettercoin will replace it
1644 2011-05-12 18:13:07 <cosurgi> :)
1645 2011-05-12 18:13:10 <mtrlt> why not bittercoin
1646 2011-05-12 18:13:13 <gmaxwell> qbitcoin.
1647 2011-05-12 18:13:16 <gavinandresen> ubercoin
1648 2011-05-12 18:13:21 <ArtForzZz> I'll wait for yetanothercoin
1649 2011-05-12 18:13:23 <gavinandresen> hypercoin
1650 2011-05-12 18:13:25 <krekbwoy> what happens if you loose your private key for your "wallet"?
1651 2011-05-12 18:13:25 <gavinandresen> ultracoin
1652 2011-05-12 18:13:27 <BitMark> ;;google better coin bitcoin
1653 2011-05-12 18:13:27 <gribble> Portable Bitcoin Client: <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7603.0>; Bitcoin P2P Virtual Currency: <http://www.bitcoin.org/>; Print Page - [better]coin eats bitcoin: <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=6710.0>
1654 2011-05-12 18:13:31 marlowe has joined
1655 2011-05-12 18:13:34 <gavinandresen> yo-mamas-coin
1656 2011-05-12 18:13:44 <ux4> krekbwoy: you cry
1657 2011-05-12 18:13:56 <cosurgi> ok, I'll pick qcoin :)
1658 2011-05-12 18:13:56 <gmaxwell> I like qbitcoin: Your money is in a superposition of spent and saved!
1659 2011-05-12 18:14:01 <BitMark> as in [better]coin per that thread
1660 2011-05-12 18:14:10 <Blitzboom> bernankoin will save us
1661 2011-05-12 18:14:15 <krekbwoy> alright, so it's difficult to retreieve once you lost your private key...
1662 2011-05-12 18:14:31 <ux4> difficult, no, impossible yes.
1663 2011-05-12 18:14:34 <BitMark> krekbwoy: effectively impossibl
1664 2011-05-12 18:14:36 <Blitzboom> we need more money so the economy can grow!
1665 2011-05-12 18:14:38 <ux4> well... until quantum computing.
1666 2011-05-12 18:14:41 <gmaxwell> Don't do that.
1667 2011-05-12 18:14:47 <krekbwoy> won't there be alot of coins trapped in accounts in the future then?
1668 2011-05-12 18:14:48 <BitMark> Blitzboom: no we dont
1669 2011-05-12 18:14:56 <gavinandresen> WorldCoin(tm) WorldCoin is a registered trademark of the United Nations. All rights reserved. Void where prohibited.
1670 2011-05-12 18:15:02 <Blitzboom> BitMark: lrn2jokes
1671 2011-05-12 18:15:14 <ux4> probably, check old forum posts, guys are complaining they lost 1000s of coins back in the early months.
1672 2011-05-12 18:15:14 <lumos> clitcoin
1673 2011-05-12 18:15:17 ArtForz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1674 2011-05-12 18:15:21 <ux4> when a 1000 coins = $1
1675 2011-05-12 18:15:21 ArtForzZz is now known as ArtForz
1676 2011-05-12 18:15:25 <sipa> gavinandresen: and even if a full 64-round preimage attack on sha256 was found, chances are it won't work on 128-round double-dha256
1677 2011-05-12 18:15:28 <sipa> *sha
1678 2011-05-12 18:15:30 <krekbwoy> hehe
1679 2011-05-12 18:15:35 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, the shore algorithm which is the focus of quantum comptuers right now would not assist in breaking sha256, it would however likely break the ecdsa system for transactions
1680 2011-05-12 18:15:44 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, and i cant think of a suitable alternative
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1682 2011-05-12 18:16:05 <sipa> wait, never mind
1683 2011-05-12 18:16:06 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover%27s_algorithm
1684 2011-05-12 18:16:31 <ArtForz> gmaxwell: and your point is... ?
1685 2011-05-12 18:16:54 <krekbwoy> since new coins wont be added to the system after 21M won't that becoma a problem in the distant future?
1686 2011-05-12 18:17:02 <cosurgi> hmm.. during one week one of my cards produced three wrong nonces.
1687 2011-05-12 18:17:12 <cosurgi> I wonder which one...
1688 2011-05-12 18:17:24 <ArtForz> cosurgi: the bad one
1689 2011-05-12 18:17:34 <gmaxwell> in theory Grover's algorithm could be used to find partial collisions of sha256 faster using a quantum computer. I don't actually expect this to ever be pratical.
1690 2011-05-12 18:17:40 <cosurgi> ArtForz: but currently all of them work quite ok.
1691 2011-05-12 18:17:47 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, yeah i understand that, which is why i said most of the focus is on shores algorithm, afaict quantum computers capable of shores algorithm will not be capable of grovers at first, so we'll have ample warning
1692 2011-05-12 18:17:49 <Diablo-D3> bwhahah]
1693 2011-05-12 18:17:53 <Diablo-D3> quantum computing
1694 2011-05-12 18:17:53 <cosurgi> ArtForz: low temps, etc.
1695 2011-05-12 18:17:54 <ArtForz> cosurgi: increase cloks a few MHz and see which one keels over?
1696 2011-05-12 18:17:55 <Diablo-D3> dude
1697 2011-05-12 18:18:00 <Diablo-D3> when quantum computing happens
1698 2011-05-12 18:18:06 <Diablo-D3> encryption wont even matter
1699 2011-05-12 18:18:08 <cosurgi> ArtForz: oh, good idea.
1700 2011-05-12 18:18:21 <Diablo-D3> it'll immediately cause the end of days and the technological singularity
1701 2011-05-12 18:18:24 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: it's not a big speedup in any case.
1702 2011-05-12 18:18:29 <Diablo-D3> all Men on Earth will fuse into God
1703 2011-05-12 18:18:29 <ArtForz> dude, quantum computing is, like, totally awesome, dude
1704 2011-05-12 18:18:34 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: you've been reading too much fiction.
1705 2011-05-12 18:18:48 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: no, its because theres no such thing as quantum computing
1706 2011-05-12 18:18:53 <Diablo-D3> its all a joke thats gotten out of hand
1707 2011-05-12 18:19:05 <ArtForz> hey, IBM managed to factor 15
1708 2011-05-12 18:19:23 <ArtForz> ina decade they'll probably factor 255
1709 2011-05-12 18:19:37 <phantomcircuit> lol
1710 2011-05-12 18:19:47 <cosurgi> ArtForz: factor 15 bits in sha256, or what?
1711 2011-05-12 18:19:47 <mtrlt> :D
1712 2011-05-12 18:19:55 <ArtForz> no, factor 15
1713 2011-05-12 18:19:58 <Diablo-D3> no, factor 15 normal bits
1714 2011-05-12 18:19:59 <Diablo-D3> as in
1715 2011-05-12 18:20:00 <ArtForz> into 3*5
1716 2011-05-12 18:20:02 <BitMark> as in 3 * 5
1717 2011-05-12 18:20:03 <Diablo-D3> yeah
1718 2011-05-12 18:20:03 <phantomcircuit> i never thought that 100 mbps would seem slow
1719 2011-05-12 18:20:13 <phantomcircuit> backing up 160GB over 100mbps though makes it seems like a crawl
1720 2011-05-12 18:20:23 <cosurgi> multiplication?
1721 2011-05-12 18:20:26 <ArtForz> why do you still have 100M?
1722 2011-05-12 18:20:31 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, netbook
1723 2011-05-12 18:20:32 <BitMark> Bill Gates thought that 640K would be too small :)
1724 2011-05-12 18:20:35 <ArtForz> ouch
1725 2011-05-12 18:20:40 <BitMark> er never thought
1726 2011-05-12 18:20:58 <phantomcircuit> i have no idea what's on the win7 partition so im just backing up the entire thing as an img
1727 2011-05-12 18:21:04 <ArtForz> because the difference between E100 and GigE is so small nowadays, not going with GigE makes no sense
1728 2011-05-12 18:21:07 <phantomcircuit> which is gonna take about 4 hours :|
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1730 2011-05-12 18:21:26 <ArtForz> even for large managed switches it's only a few $/port difference
1731 2011-05-12 18:21:49 <phantomcircuit> yeah
1732 2011-05-12 18:22:06 <phantomcircuit> well a $300 netbook it's understandable that they cut it down to 100mbps
1733 2011-05-12 18:22:31 <ArtForz> not really
1734 2011-05-12 18:22:57 <jgarzik> gige are the volume -- and low power -- parts these days (though said gige phys may downshift to save power)
1735 2011-05-12 18:23:00 <phantomcircuit> 99.99% of their customers wont care
1736 2011-05-12 18:23:49 <ArtForz> shrug
1737 2011-05-12 18:24:01 <phantomcircuit> and actually why am i doing this i have an external usb
1738 2011-05-12 18:24:10 <ArtForz> only sucks that 10GbE transceivers are still so fucking expensive
1739 2011-05-12 18:24:25 <ersi> ArtForz: make one yourself with a FPGA
1740 2011-05-12 18:24:31 <ArtForz> löl
1741 2011-05-12 18:24:51 <phantomcircuit> i like how the thunderbolt connector was hyped as a fiber optic connector
1742 2011-05-12 18:25:00 <jgarzik> where is an umlaut-enabled lulz when you need one
1743 2011-05-12 18:25:02 <phantomcircuit> but the one in the macbook pro is just copper
1744 2011-05-12 18:25:08 <ArtForz> having to trunk several GigE ports to the core switch just feels like a huge hack
1745 2011-05-12 18:25:10 <ersi> lül
1746 2011-05-12 18:25:23 <ArtForz> phantomcircuit: thats why they renamed it
1747 2011-05-12 18:26:12 <ArtForz> light peak without light would've been just peak, and "a peak port" just doesnt sounds as exciting
1748 2011-05-12 18:26:16 <ersi> ArtForz: meh, fiber biatch
1749 2011-05-12 18:27:06 <phantomcircuit> ah better
1750 2011-05-12 18:27:08 <phantomcircuit> 40MB/s
1751 2011-05-12 18:27:22 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, heh
1752 2011-05-12 18:27:53 <ArtForz> thunderbolts original name was "light peak"
1753 2011-05-12 18:28:00 <phantomcircuit> bah still 1.5 hours
1754 2011-05-12 18:28:03 <phantomcircuit> ridiculousness
1755 2011-05-12 18:28:39 <sipa> ĺųĺż
1756 2011-05-12 18:28:41 <ArtForz> yup, USB2 is slow as fuck :/
1757 2011-05-12 18:28:47 <BlueMatt> wtf?
1758 2011-05-12 18:28:49 <ArtForz> whoever designed it should be shot
1759 2011-05-12 18:29:06 <BlueMatt> (to sipa)
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1762 2011-05-12 18:29:38 <ArtForz> well, actually he should have to ask everyone every milliscond if he's been shot yet
1763 2011-05-12 18:29:49 <sipa> ArtForz: lol
1764 2011-05-12 18:29:57 <phantomcircuit> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/world/europe/13nazi.html
1765 2011-05-12 18:29:58 <phantomcircuit> sigh
1766 2011-05-12 18:30:03 <phantomcircuit> dudes 91
1767 2011-05-12 18:30:16 <phantomcircuit> he'll probably live longer in prison than outside
1768 2011-05-12 18:30:34 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, pretty sure it's netbooks hdd
1769 2011-05-12 18:30:54 <phantomcircuit> actually no it's the shitty drive in the enclosure
1770 2011-05-12 18:31:08 <ArtForz> most USB2 enclosures top out at 40-42MB/s
1771 2011-05-12 18:31:24 <phantomcircuit> yeah this ones topping out at like 30 sustained
1772 2011-05-12 18:31:27 <ArtForz> really bad ones at about 15
1773 2011-05-12 18:31:46 <phantomcircuit> and i even did dd bs=1M
1774 2011-05-12 18:31:47 <phantomcircuit> :(
1775 2011-05-12 18:32:30 <mrb_> that's why my laptop has a 3Gbps eSATA port
1776 2011-05-12 18:32:43 <ArtForz> yep
1777 2011-05-12 18:33:00 <ArtForz> now if only port multiplier support was more universal :/
1778 2011-05-12 18:33:04 <Diablo-D3> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2149358&cid=36109934
1779 2011-05-12 18:33:22 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well, its basically required to work right according to the sata spec
1780 2011-05-12 18:33:38 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: yes, in theory.
1781 2011-05-12 18:33:42 <Diablo-D3> although you need to install software to talk to the repeater (if it supports that)
1782 2011-05-12 18:33:52 <ArtForz> in practice only about half a dozen controller chips actually support it
1783 2011-05-12 18:34:12 <Diablo-D3> well, a lot of people just use SiL steelvine shit
1784 2011-05-12 18:34:19 <Diablo-D3> which pretty much works everywhere
1785 2011-05-12 18:34:24 <Diablo-D3> even on controllers that dont support it
1786 2011-05-12 18:34:24 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, yeha i tried to setup a port multiplier on a mobo to attach a ton of sata drivers
1787 2011-05-12 18:34:27 <phantomcircuit> didn't work
1788 2011-05-12 18:34:44 <ArtForz> it works with cheapass SiL controllers ;)
1789 2011-05-12 18:35:03 <phantomcircuit> welp i had no idea
1790 2011-05-12 18:35:07 <phantomcircuit> i was like 15 at the time
1791 2011-05-12 18:35:11 <ArtForz> a PCIe x1 2-port sata/esata controller w/ a SiL chip is like $9.99
1792 2011-05-12 18:35:26 <Diablo-D3> yeah
1793 2011-05-12 18:35:29 <Diablo-D3> thats another thing
1794 2011-05-12 18:35:36 <ArtForz> and the steelvine stuff only works in raid mode on most controllers
1795 2011-05-12 18:35:37 <Diablo-D3> plugging a sil multiplier into a sil controller
1796 2011-05-12 18:35:39 <Diablo-D3> it will always work
1797 2011-05-12 18:35:42 <ArtForz> yep
1798 2011-05-12 18:36:11 <ArtForz> too bad SiL doesn't have a nice affordable 4 or 8 port PCIe x4 or so controller
1799 2011-05-12 18:36:19 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well
1800 2011-05-12 18:36:22 <Diablo-D3> you technically dont need it
1801 2011-05-12 18:36:39 <ArtForz> well, half a dozen 2-port controllers just looks wrong
1802 2011-05-12 18:36:47 <Diablo-D3> I'd rather have a x1 one with a port multiplier plugged into it
1803 2011-05-12 18:37:03 <phantomcircuit> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=20-231-417-TS&ISList=20-231-417-Z07%2c20-231-417-Z08%2c20-231-417-Z09&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16820231417&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=G.SKILL%20Sniper%208GB%20%282%20x%204GB%29%20240-Pin%20DDR3%20SDRAM%20DDR3%201333%20%28PC3%2010666%29%20Desktop%20Memory%20Model%20F3-10666CL9D-8GBSR
1804 2011-05-12 18:37:05 <phantomcircuit> lolllllllllllllll
1805 2011-05-12 18:37:07 <Diablo-D3> although, I need to find 1 inch long sata cables
1806 2011-05-12 18:37:09 <ArtForz> that only gets you up to 5 drives, and PMs somewhat lower throughput
1807 2011-05-12 18:37:23 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: jesus christ, its a P80
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1809 2011-05-12 18:37:39 <Diablo-D3> thats not a sniper rifle at all
1810 2011-05-12 18:37:46 <ArtForz> lol, fail
1811 2011-05-12 18:37:57 <Diablo-D3> er, P90
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1813 2011-05-12 18:38:06 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: but yeah, like
1814 2011-05-12 18:38:12 <Diablo-D3> port multiplier gets you 5 drives
1815 2011-05-12 18:38:15 <Diablo-D3> you have 2 ports
1816 2011-05-12 18:38:21 <Diablo-D3> ergo, 10 drives
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1818 2011-05-12 18:38:25 <ArtForz> yeah, and you're limited to 180MB/s total
1819 2011-05-12 18:38:36 <Diablo-D3> the problem is you need some sort of flexy connector
1820 2011-05-12 18:38:43 <ArtForz> = not-so great controller on PCIe x1
1821 2011-05-12 18:38:49 <Diablo-D3> because case bays NEVER align with backplane oriented shit
1822 2011-05-12 18:39:01 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah but... 180mb/sec is more than enough to do normal shit
1823 2011-05-12 18:39:02 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: who uses case bays?
1824 2011-05-12 18:39:06 <Diablo-D3> I do.
1825 2011-05-12 18:39:09 <Diablo-D3> but I have a nice case
1826 2011-05-12 18:39:33 <ArtForz> a nice case? for a fileserver that sits in a closet all of its life?
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1828 2011-05-12 18:39:42 <Diablo-D3> its my workstation
1829 2011-05-12 18:40:00 <mosimo> by nice i hope you mean "it has nice airflow and can accomodate what i need with ease"
1830 2011-05-12 18:40:08 <Diablo-D3> mosimo: yes
1831 2011-05-12 18:40:14 <phantomcircuit> mosimo, ofc he means it's got lots of lights
1832 2011-05-12 18:40:14 <ArtForz> btw, there's nice 5-in-3 backplanes w/ internal PM
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1835 2011-05-12 18:40:22 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: lol no
1836 2011-05-12 18:40:24 <Diablo-D3> zero lights
1837 2011-05-12 18:40:28 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, NO LIGHTS?
1838 2011-05-12 18:40:30 <phantomcircuit> ARE YOU MAD?
1839 2011-05-12 18:40:34 <OVerLoRDI> i know I asked this yesterday, but what is the command to change the data path for bitcoin?
1840 2011-05-12 18:40:38 <Diablo-D3> power, hd light
1841 2011-05-12 18:40:39 <Diablo-D3> thats it
1842 2011-05-12 18:40:48 <Diablo-D3> no window either
1843 2011-05-12 18:40:49 <OVerLoRDI> like where the wallet and blockchain is stored, I'm using Windows btw
1844 2011-05-12 18:40:50 <ArtForz> -datadir
1845 2011-05-12 18:40:54 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, electrical tape over those
1846 2011-05-12 18:41:02 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: er no, I can just unplug them
1847 2011-05-12 18:41:05 <mosimo> just unplug them from the motherboard
1848 2011-05-12 18:41:13 <ArtForz> yeah, thats why god invented plugs
1849 2011-05-12 18:41:21 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, well electrical tape isn't 100%
1850 2011-05-12 18:41:33 <Diablo-D3> I leave the power led plugged in because sometimes I cant tell if its on
1851 2011-05-12 18:41:35 <Diablo-D3> its that silent
1852 2011-05-12 18:41:55 <phantomcircuit> yeah my desktop is basically silent
1853 2011-05-12 18:42:04 <phantomcircuit> the hdd is unhappy when i start win7 on it though
1854 2011-05-12 18:42:06 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well, what I wish I had was a 4 drive backplane that would fit my p180's lower drive cage
1855 2011-05-12 18:42:09 <OVerLoRDI> hmm im getting an error saying can't connect to server..
1856 2011-05-12 18:42:13 <Diablo-D3> so I could cut down on the fucking wiring
1857 2011-05-12 18:42:15 <ArtForz> my desktop is in another room
1858 2011-05-12 18:42:21 <Diablo-D3> and probably take out the second ide controller
1859 2011-05-12 18:42:29 <phantomcircuit> ide controller?
1860 2011-05-12 18:42:31 <OVerLoRDI> doing, bitcoin.exe -datadir <path>
1861 2011-05-12 18:42:32 <phantomcircuit> dear god man
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1863 2011-05-12 18:42:35 <Diablo-D3> er sata
1864 2011-05-12 18:42:48 <ArtForz> -datadir=path
1865 2011-05-12 18:42:51 <BitMark> gavinandresen: what do you think of GAEs new quota changes?
1866 2011-05-12 18:43:10 <Demonofelru_> Hello :jrabbit ='s jackrabbit
1867 2011-05-12 18:43:19 <JackRabiit> Noup
1868 2011-05-12 18:43:22 <JackRabiit> Oh
1869 2011-05-12 18:43:24 <OVerLoRDI> there we go, thanks ArtForz :)
1870 2011-05-12 18:43:25 <JackRabiit> Hi felru!
1871 2011-05-12 18:43:34 <gavinandresen> BitMark: haven't heard about them.
1872 2011-05-12 18:43:37 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, im amazed that the prices for ide drives is significantly higher /gb than for sata drives
1873 2011-05-12 18:43:43 <Demonofelru_> oh lol or I guess JackRabbit could ' that too
1874 2011-05-12 18:43:49 <phantomcircuit> who the hell is still buying them?!
1875 2011-05-12 18:43:50 <ArtForz> phantomcircuit: obsolete tech is expensive
1876 2011-05-12 18:43:51 <BitMark> http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2011/05/year-ahead-for-google-app-engine.html
1877 2011-05-12 18:44:00 <ArtForz> check the price/G on SDRAM vs. DDR3 ;)
1878 2011-05-12 18:44:12 <Demonofelru_> =*
1879 2011-05-12 18:44:20 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, yeah i know this laptop has 1GB of DDR SODIMM that was like 45$
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1881 2011-05-12 18:44:31 <JackRabiit> Hey guys how do we open a private chat window in this irc
1882 2011-05-12 18:44:35 <phantomcircuit> which was an amazingly bad purchase
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1884 2011-05-12 18:44:54 <phantomcircuit> JackRabiit, /msg nick hi
1885 2011-05-12 18:44:58 <ArtForz> I probably should get a new notebook soon
1886 2011-05-12 18:45:14 <phantomcircuit> it's amazing what you can get today
1887 2011-05-12 18:45:23 <JackRabiit> uherm
1888 2011-05-12 18:45:24 <phantomcircuit> i was just looking at them and was just like
1889 2011-05-12 18:45:25 <phantomcircuit> wat
1890 2011-05-12 18:45:42 <ArtForz> my newest notebook is a P2 w/ 192MB ram
1891 2011-05-12 18:46:32 <phantomcircuit> hahah
1892 2011-05-12 18:46:44 <phantomcircuit> dear god man
1893 2011-05-12 18:46:50 <phantomcircuit> that would be infuriating to me
1894 2011-05-12 18:46:59 <ArtForz> well, it works for what I need it for
1895 2011-05-12 18:47:18 <phantomcircuit> do you even have xorg installed?
1896 2011-05-12 18:47:30 <ArtForz> nope, win95
1897 2011-05-12 18:47:42 <phantomcircuit> hehe
1898 2011-05-12 18:47:53 <phantomcircuit> why?
1899 2011-05-12 18:47:57 <ArtForz> I use it to drive a few old PLC programming cables
1900 2011-05-12 18:48:13 <phantomcircuit> i seem to remember there being rce exploits that were left un patched
1901 2011-05-12 18:48:17 <phantomcircuit> ah
1902 2011-05-12 18:48:20 <phantomcircuit> makes sense
1903 2011-05-12 18:48:27 <ArtForz> the SW only works on win9x
1904 2011-05-12 18:48:35 <ArtForz> and doesn't like modern fast CPUs
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1909 2011-05-12 18:58:54 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, yeah you cant really play fallout 1 on anything faster than about 600 MHz
1910 2011-05-12 18:59:00 <phantomcircuit> you never end up with random encounters
1911 2011-05-12 18:59:04 <phantomcircuit> which is just mind boggling
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1915 2011-05-12 19:06:18 <lyspooner> what is average length of a difficulty period thus far?
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1921 2011-05-12 19:11:57 <gmaxwell> This is why you need a turbo button to turn off!
1922 2011-05-12 19:12:05 <gmaxwell> 6MHZ babe.
1923 2011-05-12 19:12:43 <tcatm> lyspooner: 14.0236 days
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1925 2011-05-12 19:13:37 <lyspooner> tcatm: is that available on bitcoincharts?
1926 2011-05-12 19:14:01 Egor has joined
1927 2011-05-12 19:14:09 <lyspooner> tcatm: and how about since Jun 2010?
1928 2011-05-12 19:14:11 <tcatm> lyspooner: no
1929 2011-05-12 19:16:33 <tcatm> 2010-06-09 .. today: 10.7226 days
1930 2011-05-12 19:17:29 <anatoly_l> Is there any open software to create mining pool?
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1932 2011-05-12 19:19:33 <[Tycho]> Yes.
1933 2011-05-12 19:20:13 <anatoly_l> Any links? Tycho, I use your pool by the way, thanks!
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1935 2011-05-12 19:21:52 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|guys, running bitcoin-miner.exe with -a 10 -t 1 -v parameters makes my PC freezed
1936 2011-05-12 19:22:22 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|even if I dedicate 1 core to the process and lower priority to IDLE
1937 2011-05-12 19:22:26 <sipa> what is the -t parameter?
1938 2011-05-12 19:22:32 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|thread
1939 2011-05-12 19:22:36 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|=core
1940 2011-05-12 19:22:45 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|1..4 for my pc
1941 2011-05-12 19:23:28 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|Processed: 10048 Mhash, 759s with average Rate: 13.2 MHash/s
1942 2011-05-12 19:23:28 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|Accepted: 3, average: 0.237 shares/min
1943 2011-05-12 19:23:49 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|CPU is busy
1944 2011-05-12 19:24:04 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|and i cant see GPU load
1945 2011-05-12 19:25:10 <mtrlt> bitcoin-miner is a cpu miner afaik
1946 2011-05-12 19:25:43 <lyspooner> tcatm: if we assume the June2010->now pace, then the reward switch is in august 2012
1947 2011-05-12 19:26:05 <mtrlt> or wait. might be that it had some gpu support too. can't remember so ignore me :P
1948 2011-05-12 19:26:19 <tcatm> lyspooner: that's possible
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1950 2011-05-12 19:26:27 <lyspooner> just checking my math
1951 2011-05-12 19:27:16 <lyspooner> ;;calc (210000-123509)*.76/6/24
1952 2011-05-12 19:27:16 <gribble> (((210,000 - 123,509) * .76) / 6) / 24 = 456.480278
1953 2011-05-12 19:28:02 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|CPU mining
1954 2011-05-12 19:28:02 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|> ufasoft's CPU miner
1955 2011-05-12 19:28:08 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|fail =\
1956 2011-05-12 19:28:09 <tcatm> we could also reach the 21M limit ~30..50 years earlier than expected
1957 2011-05-12 19:29:03 <Egor> h!phr@91.215.52.227|tcatm, yep, maybe with another types of CPU/xPU
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1959 2011-05-12 19:30:04 <BlueMatt> why are the first 6 bytes of private keys always the same? is that just some kind of ecdsa thing?
1960 2011-05-12 19:30:22 <sipa> BlueMatt: you mean the 279-byte privkeys?
1961 2011-05-12 19:30:29 <BlueMatt> yea
1962 2011-05-12 19:30:40 <BlueMatt> Im assuming there is a bunch of crap encoded in there...?
1963 2011-05-12 19:31:00 <sipa> they contain 1) the field parameters 2) the curve parameters 3) the secret parameter (only 32 bytes) 4) the pubkey
1964 2011-05-12 19:31:02 <jgarzik> tcatm: FYI... did you see the 0.3.22 release plan, above?
1965 2011-05-12 19:31:09 <BlueMatt> ah
1966 2011-05-12 19:31:10 <jgarzik> sipa: ^^
1967 2011-05-12 19:31:16 <sipa> 1) and 2) are identical for all bitcoin keys
1968 2011-05-12 19:31:19 <sipa> jgarzik: roughlu
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1970 2011-05-12 19:31:22 <sipa> roughly
1971 2011-05-12 19:31:26 <BlueMatt> sipa: makes sense, thanks
1972 2011-05-12 19:31:28 <tcatm> jgarzik: nope. link?
1973 2011-05-12 19:31:37 <BlueMatt> tcatm: scroll up?
1974 2011-05-12 19:31:45 <jgarzik> tcatm: <jgarzik> gavinandresen, BlueMatt: when Linus does a release, uploading the final tarball + git push to kernel.org, we call it "sprinkling holy penguin pee" on the code. So how does this sound: (a) I'll do 0.3.22-rc[1-N] with current git + pulls describe above in next couple days, (b) lean on BlueMatt and devr for builds, (c) wait a week for comments and bug reports, and finally (d) prep final build and await
1975 2011-05-12 19:31:45 <jgarzik> the holy bitcoin pee from you.
1976 2011-05-12 19:31:46 <sipa> BlueMatt: that's why i propose switching to secret parameters only for encrypted privkeys
1977 2011-05-12 19:32:03 <BlueMatt> sipa: now that is totally not worth it...
1978 2011-05-12 19:32:10 <jgarzik> tcatm: <jgarzik> gavinandresen: oh, change of subject. I think a 0.3.22 would be nice, with current git + #215 (move acct bal neg), maybe #213 (upnp fixes), maybe #192 (-dns for -addnode, -connect). We have enough fixes and tweaks to make a pre-0.4 version, IMO. Then 0.4 could have wallet crypt + autotools, which will take a long time for people to test and get right.
1979 2011-05-12 19:32:17 * jgarzik bbiab
1980 2011-05-12 19:33:19 <sipa> BlueMatt: if you're not touching the privkey format, sure, don't touch it, but if it has to change anyway, i'd immediately switch to the more efficient representation
1981 2011-05-12 19:33:35 <BlueMatt> oh, well Im not
1982 2011-05-12 19:33:39 <sipa> ok :)
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1985 2011-05-12 19:34:14 <BlueMatt> and really? to save a couple bytes?
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1988 2011-05-12 19:34:34 <tcatm> jgarzik: good plan :)
1989 2011-05-12 19:35:01 <sipa> BlueMatt: the change is trivial, and there are no disadvantages, except that the format has to change, which is absolutely not worth doing for just shrinking the storage requirements
1990 2011-05-12 19:35:14 <sipa> but if it has to change anyway, i don't see why not
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1992 2011-05-12 19:35:31 <BlueMatt> fair enough
1993 2011-05-12 19:37:27 darin_ is now known as darin
1994 2011-05-12 19:37:34 <sipa> anyway, it's very low priority
1995 2011-05-12 19:37:44 darin is now known as Darin
1996 2011-05-12 19:37:53 <BlueMatt> s/very/ridiculously/
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2000 2011-05-12 19:38:28 <sipa> :)
2001 2011-05-12 19:41:33 <sipa> BlueMatt: i just brought it up in my encryption proposal because it'd require increases the per-key storage requirements, and that is a very easy way to compensate those
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2003 2011-05-12 19:41:46 <sipa> anyway, i'm not going to implement it, so i'll shut up
2004 2011-05-12 19:42:14 <BlueMatt> sipa: on a related note, do you still think your proposal is better than current idea?
2005 2011-05-12 19:42:44 <sipa> i think they're complimentary, actually
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2007 2011-05-12 19:43:05 <sipa> i understand there may be need for some to have a wallet that is hard to tamper with
2008 2011-05-12 19:43:29 <BlueMatt> but then you have to hold the anti-tamper keys in memory which kills the usefulness of them IMHO
2009 2011-05-12 19:43:31 <sipa> but the most common use for wallets is imho not being able to spend without authentication
2010 2011-05-12 19:44:09 <gmaxwell> Does this wallet encryption allow for password changes? does it allow multiple password (multiuser wallets), does it allow seperate passwords per-account, is the password strengthend so that it's strong enough to protect a wallet posted in public? Have I creeped your scope yet? ;)
2011 2011-05-12 19:44:31 <sipa> gmaxwell: yes, no, no, yes
2012 2011-05-12 19:44:36 <sipa> in the current patch
2013 2011-05-12 19:45:30 <BlueMatt> sipa: I suppose my question is: if I keep doodling around working on my patch, and people disagree and think your idea is better, what am I doing?
2014 2011-05-12 19:46:38 <sipa> i definitely sympathise with the idea that the fill-keypool attack is nasty, and should be protected against in some cases
2015 2011-05-12 19:47:50 <gmaxwell> from expirence with real (l)users changing without allowing the last one to hang around can create fun when you forget the new one two minutes after putting it to use. ::shrugs::
2016 2011-05-12 19:48:30 * sipa shouldn't say much as he changed his mybitcoin password, and forgot it...
2017 2011-05-12 19:48:52 <sipa> not much in there, though
2018 2011-05-12 19:48:53 <BlueMatt> my problem is I fail to see any major advantages to your scheme (the whole anonymity, I need a new key on each spend/receive thing is overrated IMHO)
2019 2011-05-12 19:49:09 <BlueMatt> or is there something Im missing?
2020 2011-05-12 19:50:05 <sipa> the only real advantage is that the keypool can be filled without knowing the password really
2021 2011-05-12 19:50:11 <sipa> and maybe that's not worth the complexity
2022 2011-05-12 19:50:50 <BlueMatt> thats really my pov, its a nice feature, but is it necessary?
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2024 2011-05-12 19:51:03 <midnightmagic> is there a particular response strategy planned for the upcoming legislation in California/et al?
2025 2011-05-12 19:51:03 <sipa> maybe not
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2027 2011-05-12 19:51:11 <sipa> the other advantages are things that are also possible in symmetric encryption, like multiple passphrases
2028 2011-05-12 19:51:14 <BlueMatt> Ill go poll the guys on -otc
2029 2011-05-12 19:53:06 <phantomcircuit> accounts have addresses
2030 2011-05-12 19:53:18 <phantomcircuit> addresses are symmetrically encrypted with accounts password
2031 2011-05-12 19:53:26 <phantomcircuit> accounts password is encrypted with the users password
2032 2011-05-12 19:53:31 <phantomcircuit> O(1) password changes
2033 2011-05-12 19:53:34 <phantomcircuit> WHO LOVES ME
2034 2011-05-12 19:53:48 <sipa> i still think accounts are a horrible hack
2035 2011-05-12 19:54:06 <phantomcircuit> as implemented i thinkt hey are
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2037 2011-05-12 19:54:17 <sipa> actually, no, they're a nice feature, but not completely implemented
2038 2011-05-12 19:54:29 <Herodes_> Which environment is best to use for compiling the bitcoin client under windows?
2039 2011-05-12 19:54:33 * sipa would rather just have multiple wallet.dat files that you can load
2040 2011-05-12 19:54:46 <sipa> and move coins from one to another
2041 2011-05-12 19:54:54 <Herodes_> Ie, visual studio, gcc or something else? What's the most common way?
2042 2011-05-12 19:55:04 <phantomcircuit> Herodes_, mingw iirc
2043 2011-05-12 19:55:54 <BlueMatt> Herodes_: mingw is all thats supported (gcc)
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2047 2011-05-12 20:06:33 <Herodes_> thanks.
2048 2011-05-12 20:06:36 <Herodes_> I downloaded it.
2049 2011-05-12 20:06:42 <Herodes_> and iirc is a library then?
2050 2011-05-12 20:06:49 <sipa> iirc = if i recall correct
2051 2011-05-12 20:06:52 <sipa> ly
2052 2011-05-12 20:07:00 <phantomcircuit> sipa, well accounts could be implemented as .bitcoin/accounts/name/wallet.dat
2053 2011-05-12 20:07:12 <sipa> phantomcircuit: i definitely agree
2054 2011-05-12 20:07:24 <sipa> but it requires a major refactoring of the code
2055 2011-05-12 20:07:26 <BlueMatt> ok sipa so is it ok to continue with the no-keypool-generation-except-sometimes stuff?
2056 2011-05-12 20:07:36 <sipa> BlueMatt: sure
2057 2011-05-12 20:07:41 <BlueMatt> in your opinion?
2058 2011-05-12 20:07:45 <sipa> yes, please
2059 2011-05-12 20:07:55 <phantomcircuit> either way the general structure of accounts having a password, which is used to encrypt the accounts privkeys, is probably the best architecture for privkey encryption
2060 2011-05-12 20:08:03 <BlueMatt> fair enough, 5 hour coding megafest here I come :)
2061 2011-05-12 20:08:18 <BlueMatt> (hopefully get it done tonight)
2062 2011-05-12 20:08:31 <phantomcircuit> no-keypool-generation-except-comtimes
2063 2011-05-12 20:08:32 <phantomcircuit> wat
2064 2011-05-12 20:08:49 <phantomcircuit> also i thought there was an umlat in somtimes but it was just a fleck of dust
2065 2011-05-12 20:08:56 <phantomcircuit> thought id share that
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2067 2011-05-12 20:10:21 <gmaxwell> It would be interesting to make the backup function trigger a flurry of keypool generation, and have the software try to never do it except right before a backup.
2068 2011-05-12 20:11:02 <BlueMatt> it has a "fillkeypool" rpc command
2069 2011-05-12 20:11:08 <BlueMatt> or something, I dont remember what I called it
2070 2011-05-12 20:12:01 <sipa> maybe you could have the logic: *if* you have the key/passphrase stored/available, and you do a backupwallet, it issues a fillkeypool first
2071 2011-05-12 20:12:13 <sipa> or are fillkeypools done automatically when the key is available?
2072 2011-05-12 20:12:26 <BlueMatt> pretty much automatically when key is available
2073 2011-05-12 20:12:34 <sipa> good
2074 2011-05-12 20:12:37 <BlueMatt> which is pretty much just when you send/click the new address button
2075 2011-05-12 20:13:07 <gmaxwell> right but thats bad if you really don't want your backups lacking ids with money in them.
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2085 2011-05-12 20:30:34 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r591520008c87 gentoo/net-p2p/pushpool/ (4 files): net-p2p/pushpool: "longpolling" USE flag to pull in dev-python/pycrypto for blkmond http://tinyurl.com/66rxp6x
2086 2011-05-12 20:30:56 <Diablo-D3> hey
2087 2011-05-12 20:31:08 <Diablo-D3> does anyone have the url to that one indian news blog?
2088 2011-05-12 20:31:14 <Diablo-D3> with the bitcoin math that was wrong
2089 2011-05-12 20:31:33 <BlueMatt> http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Bangalore/article2001732.ece
2090 2011-05-12 20:31:42 <BlueMatt> that one?
2091 2011-05-12 20:31:48 <Diablo-D3> yeah thanks
2092 2011-05-12 20:32:31 <BlueMatt> browser history is useful ;)
2093 2011-05-12 20:32:39 <Diablo-D3> I couldnt find it in mine
2094 2011-05-12 20:32:50 <Diablo-D3> I typed in bitcoin and saw about 9000 things that wernt it
2095 2011-05-12 20:32:54 <BlueMatt> (when it works)
2096 2011-05-12 20:33:09 <BlueMatt> oh, well I happened to remember it was hindu something or other
2097 2011-05-12 20:34:12 <Diablo-D3> hahaha he posted the comment.
2098 2011-05-12 20:34:24 <Diablo-D3> I didnt expect it to go through moderation
2099 2011-05-12 20:34:29 <BlueMatt> same here
2100 2011-05-12 20:34:31 <Diablo-D3> since I basically sank the entirety of india's economy
2101 2011-05-12 20:35:05 <BlueMatt> well same about the first two comments, often they just reject stuff that is correcting them
2102 2011-05-12 20:35:39 <Diablo-D3> well, this is basically Faux News journalism here
2103 2011-05-12 20:35:51 <BlueMatt> yep
2104 2011-05-12 20:35:53 <Diablo-D3> Im surprised he didnt call me out for supporting Obama Bin Laden, oops, I mean Osama
2105 2011-05-12 20:36:00 <BlueMatt> lol
2106 2011-05-12 20:36:32 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
2107 2011-05-12 20:36:32 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":5.95,"low":5.1,"vol":27726,"buy":5.85,"sell":5.889,"last":5.85}}
2108 2011-05-12 20:38:38 * sipa has succesfully imported a wallet! *happy dance*
2109 2011-05-12 20:42:52 <lyspooner> what has been the lowest hash value found so far?
2110 2011-05-12 20:43:01 <gjs278> over 9000
2111 2011-05-12 20:43:05 <sipa> at one point, i found the third lower hash ever
2112 2011-05-12 20:44:16 <netxshare> I thought it was Usama?
2113 2011-05-12 20:45:16 <gjs278> it's only usama to fox and the fbi
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2119 2011-05-12 20:49:01 <lyspooner> tcatm: if the difficulty increases at the same rate it has been increasing since June 2010, what will the difficulty be in 456 days?
2120 2011-05-12 20:49:19 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, it's usama in arabic
2121 2011-05-12 20:49:29 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, osama is just the laziest translation possible
2122 2011-05-12 20:49:38 <gjs278> it looks better as osama
2123 2011-05-12 20:49:42 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|I can't get my bitcoind to accept a https connection when testnet=1 (non tesnet runs fine). That a bug or a feature? (before i dig in)
2124 2011-05-12 20:49:48 <sipa> it's a transliteration, and as far as i know, there are no strict rules for that
2125 2011-05-12 20:49:57 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, i suspect fox was using usama to avoid writting obama
2126 2011-05-12 20:50:05 <Construct> lyspooner: Not worth calculating. There are too many events that cause difficulty jumps in that period (CPU->GPU mining, exchange rate jumps, etc.)
2127 2011-05-12 20:50:14 <gjs278> they've been doing it since 2001, so they'd have to be pretty far into the obama conspiracy for that one
2128 2011-05-12 20:50:25 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, oh really?
2129 2011-05-12 20:50:30 <gjs278> yeah
2130 2011-05-12 20:50:33 <lyspooner> Construct: just curious
2131 2011-05-12 20:50:39 <tcatm> lyspooner: that's a little harder to answer...
2132 2011-05-12 20:50:40 <gjs278> I remember seeing it back then and them being the only ones to call it usama
2133 2011-05-12 20:50:41 <phantomcircuit> first tiem i saw it was when they were announcing he was dead
2134 2011-05-12 20:50:59 <gjs278> let me check how far back google can take us
2135 2011-05-12 20:51:15 <lyspooner> tcatm: use 10.7 days per diff period
2136 2011-05-12 20:51:48 <gjs278> phantomcircuit here we go http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=104324
2137 2011-05-12 20:52:10 <lyspooner> Construct: I think CPU -> GPU will be analogous to the GPU -> ASIC move in 2012
2138 2011-05-12 20:52:57 <Construct> lyspooner: I think someone calculated ~9% as the long term average. Going by that and ~10.7 periods as you requested, that's about (very roughly) 40 times as difficult as it is now
2139 2011-05-12 20:53:04 <Construct> But current jumps are more in the realm of 40%
2140 2011-05-12 20:53:05 <gjs278> http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=100926 here's a 2009 one
2141 2011-05-12 20:53:06 <gjs278> of usama
2142 2011-05-12 20:53:07 <tcatm> lyspooner: I can calculate that later or maybe you could ask sipa?
2143 2011-05-12 20:53:42 <lyspooner> construct: sounds good, thanks for tickling my fancy
2144 2011-05-12 20:53:52 <Construct> At 40% difficulty increases every time, it would be about 3.7 million times as difficult as it is now.
2145 2011-05-12 20:54:04 <Construct> So I'm going to go out on a limb and say the real answer is somewhere between those two numbers.
2146 2011-05-12 20:54:15 <lyspooner> :)
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2149 2011-05-12 20:55:51 <finnomenon> is it possible to transfer a bitcoin multiple times within the same block?
2150 2011-05-12 20:56:17 <sipa> yes
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2154 2011-05-12 21:01:51 <BlueMatt> I suppose its fair for me to put my name on the commit instead of jgarzik's now that most of the code is mine...
2155 2011-05-12 21:01:56 <BlueMatt> (by alot0
2156 2011-05-12 21:01:57 <BlueMatt> )
2157 2011-05-12 21:02:19 <sipa> even if it wasn't
2158 2011-05-12 21:03:35 <gjs278> always take credit
2159 2011-05-12 21:03:57 <BlueMatt> best to avoid making enemies
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2161 2011-05-12 21:05:22 <sipa> i don't say you should remove his name
2162 2011-05-12 21:05:30 <sipa> but there is no problem in adding your own, right?
2163 2011-05-12 21:05:42 <BlueMatt> I dont think you can have 2 names on a commit log
2164 2011-05-12 21:05:51 <BlueMatt> (though obviously say thanks in commit msg)
2165 2011-05-12 21:06:03 <gjs278> if you can't decide, split it into two
2166 2011-05-12 21:06:04 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, pretty sure you can
2167 2011-05-12 21:06:10 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: any idea how?
2168 2011-05-12 21:06:12 <gjs278> Bluerzik
2169 2011-05-12 21:06:17 <sipa> :D
2170 2011-05-12 21:06:18 <topi`> tcatm: I created a NEON miner based on your 4way SSE2 miner code. however, it seems minerd has no facilities of verifying the correct functioning of the sha hash
2171 2011-05-12 21:06:18 <gjs278> put that
2172 2011-05-12 21:06:27 <topi`> [2011-04-12 16:19:11] PROOF OF WORK RESULT: false (booooo)
2173 2011-05-12 21:06:29 <BlueMatt> gjs278: lol, ok
2174 2011-05-12 21:06:35 <topi`> does this mean that the hash is not correct even though it think it is?
2175 2011-05-12 21:06:47 <gjs278> jgaMatt just sounds weird
2176 2011-05-12 21:06:51 <gjs278> but it definitely has a ring to it
2177 2011-05-12 21:07:06 <BlueMatt> I dont thin you can have 2 names aside from "committed" vs "author" committed being overwritten by new committed when pulled into bitcoin-mainline I think
2178 2011-05-12 21:07:12 <BlueMatt> though I could be wrong about that, jgarzik?
2179 2011-05-12 21:07:19 <BlueMatt> gjs278: maybe just Jeff/Matt?
2180 2011-05-12 21:07:28 <gjs278> yeah that could work
2181 2011-05-12 21:07:30 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, possibly --author="first,second" ?
2182 2011-05-12 21:07:43 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: hm, Ill go look
2183 2011-05-12 21:09:01 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: you have committer and author. don't play games with stuffing multiple people into the author field, it's just not that important. It's not an academic paper, where everybody tries to get their name on the author's list.
2184 2011-05-12 21:09:31 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: Describe in the commit how credit is properly distributed ("sipa contributed ideas, jgarzik contributed original implementation" blah blah)
2185 2011-05-12 21:09:32 <BlueMatt> lol, if you dont care...though honestly Ill probably leave yours because Im too lazy to redo the commit for my name
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2187 2011-05-12 21:09:48 <luke-jr> anyone familiar with pipelining and such nonsense? is it legal to multiple different Host: headers on the same connection?
2188 2011-05-12 21:09:52 <luke-jr> eg, if they share the same IP
2189 2011-05-12 21:10:01 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yes, that's legal
2190 2011-05-12 21:10:06 <luke-jr> jgarzik: really? -.-
2191 2011-05-12 21:10:10 <jgarzik> luke-jr: not all mining clients send Host FYI
2192 2011-05-12 21:10:14 <luke-jr> that makes life so much more annoying
2193 2011-05-12 21:10:15 <gjs278> you wont goo t jail for it
2194 2011-05-12 21:10:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's required
2195 2011-05-12 21:10:49 <sipa> BlueMatt: people should know whom to blame
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2197 2011-05-12 21:10:56 <jgarzik> luke-jr: pipelining does -not- imply stateful, between one HTTP request and another, precisely because one webserver could host 1,000 websites.
2198 2011-05-12 21:10:57 <sipa> oh right, the committer :D
2199 2011-05-12 21:11:08 * BlueMatt points at jgarzik
2200 2011-05-12 21:11:11 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: yea, the multiple hosts in a pipelined requrest really #@$@##@ using varnish passthrough for stuff.
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2202 2011-05-12 21:14:32 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: how many characters do I limit commit msg to? or is that just the first line?
2203 2011-05-12 21:15:32 * Marcel HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|slaps forehead
2204 2011-05-12 21:17:30 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: just the first line; ~75 chars
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2206 2011-05-12 21:17:39 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: the commit msg can be as long as you want
2207 2011-05-12 21:17:57 <BlueMatt> ah, ok I thought each line had to be limited, but ok
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2209 2011-05-12 21:18:07 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: you need to wrap long lines, yes
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2211 2011-05-12 21:18:14 <BlueMatt> well, yea, ok
2212 2011-05-12 21:18:24 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: but you can have 1,000,000 nicely-wrapped lines, if you wish :)
2213 2011-05-12 21:18:33 <BlueMatt> fair enough
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2215 2011-05-12 21:20:40 <BlueMatt> "19 changed files with 1,213 additions and 54 deletions." I have a feeling I did something wrong...
2216 2011-05-12 21:20:46 <sipa> :D
2217 2011-05-12 21:20:54 <BlueMatt> and its still not done...
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2224 2011-05-12 21:23:54 <sipa> BlueMatt: want to race, first wallet encryption, or wallet export/import? ;)
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2226 2011-05-12 21:24:21 <BlueMatt> I have a feeling Ill lose, still got a decent chunk to do, but Im game...dont go to sleep until its done :)
2227 2011-05-12 21:26:58 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: more immediately for 0.3.22... what's the status of pull #213?
2228 2011-05-12 21:27:41 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: autotools comes in 0.4
2229 2011-05-12 21:27:44 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sounds pull-able to me, will stop quite a bit of the complaining due to stale obj/*s
2230 2011-05-12 21:27:51 <BlueMatt> ACK
2231 2011-05-12 21:28:22 <BlueMatt> though 2 commits for that...
2232 2011-05-12 21:29:03 <sipa> YES
2233 2011-05-12 21:29:05 <BlueMatt> actually just change his #if defined(USE_UPNP) && USE_UPNP to #if USE_UPNP
2234 2011-05-12 21:29:12 <sipa> tx-based import also works
2235 2011-05-12 21:29:13 <BlueMatt> dont need to make it more complicated that it has to be
2236 2011-05-12 21:29:24 <sipa> (without full rescan, though it's hardly faster)
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2238 2011-05-12 21:30:09 <sipa> funny temporary results in the gui while importing though, it first loads all wallet tx's, and afterwards marks them spent if necessary
2239 2011-05-12 21:30:29 * sipa saw a balance for a millisecond that he *really* would have liked to have kept
2240 2011-05-12 21:31:39 <sipa> the end result balance is up to the ucBTC correct, though
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2242 2011-05-12 21:32:05 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: you're welcome to create the obvious commit, which I'll ACK and pull :)
2243 2011-05-12 21:32:18 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ...one minute
2244 2011-05-12 21:33:03 <jgarzik> sipa: ok to pull #192 (-dns)?
2245 2011-05-12 21:33:10 <sipa> yes
2246 2011-05-12 21:34:26 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, sipa: any opinions on gavin's patch? it needs ACKs. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/215
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2248 2011-05-12 21:34:37 <jrmithdobbs> negative balances in wallet isn't in 3.21 right?
2249 2011-05-12 21:35:00 <jrmithdobbs> or what was the change to that?
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2251 2011-05-12 21:36:54 <sipa> jgarzik: can i ACK without compiling it? :)
2252 2011-05-12 21:36:59 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: do you want a pull request, or can you pull from #fUseUpnPfix 5d1d69453a8bc9564a40
2253 2011-05-12 21:37:05 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r9398bf9 / (src/init.cpp src/irc.cpp src/net.cpp src/net.h):
2254 2011-05-12 21:37:05 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Merge pull request #192 from sipa/dnslookup
2255 2011-05-12 21:37:05 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Support for name lookups in -connect and -addnode - http://bit.ly/jsSSJG
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2257 2011-05-12 21:38:14 <jgarzik> sipa: yes :)
2258 2011-05-12 21:38:37 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: you can paste a full git URL and branch name into IRC, if you like
2259 2011-05-12 21:38:43 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: re: gavin's 215: I think its a good addition, ACK from me
2260 2011-05-12 21:39:11 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: https://TheBlueMatt@github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin.git fUseUPnP you dont have me as a remote yet? Im insulted
2261 2011-05-12 21:39:22 <BlueMatt> oops without the TheBlueMatt@
2262 2011-05-12 21:39:27 <BlueMatt> that would be for pushing
2263 2011-05-12 21:39:33 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, sipa: please post ACKs for posterity :) only 3 chars needed
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2265 2011-05-12 21:39:42 <jgarzik> on github, I mean
2266 2011-05-12 21:39:50 <sipa> jgarzik: already done :)
2267 2011-05-12 21:39:50 <BlueMatt> done
2268 2011-05-12 21:39:59 <jgarzik> thanks!
2269 2011-05-12 21:40:27 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: give me a pasteable URL, lazy bones :)
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2272 2011-05-12 21:40:51 <BlueMatt> https://hithub.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin.git
2273 2011-05-12 21:40:57 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin.git
2274 2011-05-12 21:41:00 <BlueMatt> there we go
2275 2011-05-12 21:41:03 <sipa> i think i need to locks on just about every critical section in the program while importing
2276 2011-05-12 21:41:06 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin.git fUseUPnPfix
2277 2011-05-12 21:41:09 <sipa> what's the order for locking?
2278 2011-05-12 21:41:30 <BlueMatt> that should be written in coding.txt if you have a sec
2279 2011-05-12 21:41:33 * jgarzik fires BlueMatt
2280 2011-05-12 21:41:34 <jgarzik> [jgarzik@bd bitcoin]$ git pull https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin.git fUseUPnP
2281 2011-05-12 21:41:40 <jgarzik> fatal: Couldn't find remote ref fUseUPnP
2282 2011-05-12 21:41:53 <BlueMatt> missed the "fix" at the end
2283 2011-05-12 21:42:13 <jgarzik> ah! I had switched away from IRC before you pasted that
2284 2011-05-12 21:42:27 <BlueMatt> sorry, I cant type tonight apparently
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2287 2011-05-12 21:44:56 <BlueMatt> do I have to bother grabbing a CRITICAL_BLOCK in AppInit()?
2288 2011-05-12 21:45:30 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r73eb306 / src/main.cpp : Merge branch 'fUseUPnPfix' of https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin into tmp - http://bit.ly/iqODVe
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2290 2011-05-12 21:46:27 <nphekt> Hey, i'm kind of new to the bitcoins system
2291 2011-05-12 21:46:36 <nphekt> A friend of mine pointed me to it.
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2293 2011-05-12 21:46:41 <sipa> nphekt: welcome!
2294 2011-05-12 21:46:46 <BlueMatt> well thank your friend :)
2295 2011-05-12 21:46:52 <Kiba> welcome to the bitcoin community
2296 2011-05-12 21:46:53 <Kiba> hmm
2297 2011-05-12 21:46:57 <finnomenon> are the dependencies in the bitcoin network correctly described by this: http://pastebin.com/txyz6nuN ?
2298 2011-05-12 21:47:02 <Kiba> the price rose to 6 dollars per bitcoin
2299 2011-05-12 21:47:03 <Kiba> wow
2300 2011-05-12 21:47:15 <nphekt> And, well. i have been a economics student for the last 4 years
2301 2011-05-12 21:47:28 KBme has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
2302 2011-05-12 21:47:31 <nphekt> and the concept of bitcoins aren't quite clear to me.
2303 2011-05-12 21:47:57 <nphekt> Especially the concept of bitcoin mining
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2305 2011-05-12 21:48:16 <sipa> nphekt: it's bitcoin's way of doing the initial distribution of the currency
2306 2011-05-12 21:48:45 <nphekt> but what is it distributing?
2307 2011-05-12 21:48:45 <sipa> and by tying it to a service that's useful for the community (verifying transactions), that gets an economic incentive
2308 2011-05-12 21:48:48 <sipa> bitcoins
2309 2011-05-12 21:48:56 <nphekt> What ARE bitcoins?
2310 2011-05-12 21:49:01 lulzplzkthx is now known as whoami|afk
2311 2011-05-12 21:49:07 <jgarzik> nphekt: digital certificates
2312 2011-05-12 21:49:25 <sipa> nphekt: start by reading http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7269.0
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2314 2011-05-12 21:49:40 <nphekt> Ok thanks
2315 2011-05-12 21:49:42 <sipa> it explains things quite nicely
2316 2011-05-12 21:49:45 <nphekt> And the important part,
2317 2011-05-12 21:49:52 <nphekt> how do i start making money :)
2318 2011-05-12 21:50:02 <sipa> by offerings goods and services for bitcoin
2319 2011-05-12 21:50:23 <sipa> OR by mining, if you're interested in doing some investment in fast hardware (which may or may not repay itself)
2320 2011-05-12 21:50:26 <nphekt> Yeah, i'm talking about bitcoin mining.
2321 2011-05-12 21:50:34 <nphekt> I've got some nice hardware right here.
2322 2011-05-12 21:50:44 <nphekt> 8 node cluster
2323 2011-05-12 21:50:49 <BlueMatt> ,,bc,wiki mining comparison chart
2324 2011-05-12 21:50:49 <gribble> https://bitcoin.it/ | Apr 8, 2011 ... Sourced from Wikipedia. Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software ...
2325 2011-05-12 21:51:02 <BlueMatt> ,,bc,wiki mining hardware comparison
2326 2011-05-12 21:51:02 <gribble> https://bitcoin.it/ | Apr 8, 2011 ... Sourced from Wikipedia. Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software ...
2327 2011-05-12 21:51:09 <nphekt> a dual core server that manages the cluster
2328 2011-05-12 21:51:09 <sipa> unless it's a high-end ATI Radeon HD 5xxx or 6xxx, it's probably not that useful for mining
2329 2011-05-12 21:51:17 <BlueMatt> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
2330 2011-05-12 21:51:23 <nphekt> and a high end ATI radeon HD in my laptop.
2331 2011-05-12 21:51:25 <BlueMatt> there, gribble needs to learn how to search
2332 2011-05-12 21:51:27 <sipa> CPU's are way too slow to do it in any useful way
2333 2011-05-12 21:51:40 <BlueMatt> check that link and look up the total hash/sec
2334 2011-05-12 21:51:47 <ArtForz> unless you have a few 1000 and 0 power cost
2335 2011-05-12 21:51:54 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * refe06e1 / src/rpc.cpp :
2336 2011-05-12 21:51:54 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Merge pull request #215 from gavinandresen/negativemove
2337 2011-05-12 21:51:54 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Allow move RPC to take account balances negative - http://bit.ly/iCMt1Y
2338 2011-05-12 21:52:11 <nphekt> I've got the equipment, and i can build more.
2339 2011-05-12 21:52:23 <nphekt> So that isn't a problem.
2340 2011-05-12 21:52:29 <BlueMatt> if you pay for power, you lose money except for high-end radeons
2341 2011-05-12 21:52:38 <jrmithdobbs> nphekt: you'll lose money on power
2342 2011-05-12 21:52:39 <jrmithdobbs> easily
2343 2011-05-12 21:52:41 <sipa> for more information, you should visit the forum under mining
2344 2011-05-12 21:53:27 <nphekt> jrsmithdobbs: i've got that managed. Believe me.
2345 2011-05-12 21:53:51 <jrmithdobbs> no, you don't
2346 2011-05-12 21:53:54 <jrmithdobbs> believe me
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2348 2011-05-12 21:54:22 <BlueMatt> in that case, look on the forums for jgarzik's cpuminer (its probably the best hash/s for a cpu) and phoenix as its currently the best for gpus (though probably not for long, does diablo have BFI_INT yet?)
2349 2011-05-12 21:54:33 <nphekt> I've got phoenix.
2350 2011-05-12 21:54:43 <nphekt> I've got bitcoin
2351 2011-05-12 21:54:50 <nphekt> How do i get it started?
2352 2011-05-12 21:55:21 <BlueMatt> unless you have some huge amount of mining hardware, you are probably best off joining a pool like beepbit.net or mining.bitcoin.cz
2353 2011-05-12 21:55:35 <BlueMatt> or luke's pool, whats it called eligus?
2354 2011-05-12 21:55:36 <sipa> nphekt: what hash rate does your hardware have, according to that wiki page?
2355 2011-05-12 21:55:42 <sipa> eligius
2356 2011-05-12 21:56:17 <Kiba> hmm
2357 2011-05-12 21:56:21 <DukeOfURL> what is in the bc adress? can someone point to a doc? thx
2358 2011-05-12 21:56:24 <nphekt> I'll look it up
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2361 2011-05-12 21:56:49 <BlueMatt> DukeOfURL: just the has of the public key
2362 2011-05-12 21:56:58 <BlueMatt> hash*
2363 2011-05-12 21:57:37 <nphekt> 59,59
2364 2011-05-12 21:57:47 <DukeOfURL> so in my bc client, each time i push "New", it generates a new key-pair?
2365 2011-05-12 21:57:50 <BlueMatt> yea, join a pool, but dont expect much
2366 2011-05-12 21:57:56 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,gen 59.59
2367 2011-05-12 21:57:57 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 59.59 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 0.000380732754803 BTC per day and 1.58638647835e-05 BTC per hour.
2368 2011-05-12 21:58:06 <nphekt> For every node, that is.
2369 2011-05-12 21:58:09 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,gen 59590
2370 2011-05-12 21:58:09 <topi`> ArtForz: I talked today to a guy who designs video synthesizers on top of FPGA's. very interesting how much flexibility a small, cheap FPGA affords.
2371 2011-05-12 21:58:09 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 59590 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 0.380732754803 BTC per day and 0.0158638647835 BTC per hour.
2372 2011-05-12 21:58:13 <BlueMatt> sorry, that one
2373 2011-05-12 21:58:16 <nphekt> 59,59 x 8
2374 2011-05-12 21:58:27 <ArtForz> topi`: yep
2375 2011-05-12 21:58:34 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,gen 476720
2376 2011-05-12 21:58:35 <Kiba> so most of the computational power are now powered by pools
2377 2011-05-12 21:58:35 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 476720 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 3.04586203843 BTC per day and 0.126910918268 BTC per hour.
2378 2011-05-12 21:58:35 <topi`> ArtForz: he's using a XC6SLX45 Spartan-6 FPGA, which I think has 45000 cells. do you think it could do mining?
2379 2011-05-12 21:58:39 <BlueMatt> still not a ton
2380 2011-05-12 21:58:46 <BlueMatt> but a good chunk
2381 2011-05-12 21:58:48 <ArtForz> topi`: yes
2382 2011-05-12 21:58:59 <topi`> ArtForz: I mean, 45000 doesn't sound like many, but I guess one could implement a fully pipelined sha256 with it
2383 2011-05-12 21:59:03 <ArtForz> I got 2 of those here, too
2384 2011-05-12 21:59:10 <ArtForz> nope
2385 2011-05-12 21:59:18 <Kiba> the hashrate distribution can be further divided by xkcd and reddit I think
2386 2011-05-12 21:59:32 <BlueMatt> ?
2387 2011-05-12 21:59:32 <ArtForz> you can fit about 1.5 single-pipelined sha blocks
2388 2011-05-12 21:59:40 <topi`> ArtForz: so, how many cells do you think the FPGA needs to have, for a fully-pipelined sha256?
2389 2011-05-12 22:00:05 <ArtForz> 70k for a single-pipelined give or take
2390 2011-05-12 22:00:06 <Kiba> BlueMatt: ?
2391 2011-05-12 22:00:30 <topi`> ArtForz: and then you'd need to run the same data thru the pipe a second time? (for the hashing of the hash)
2392 2011-05-12 22:00:38 <ArtForz> nope
2393 2011-05-12 22:00:42 <BlueMatt> Kiba: hash rate divided by xkcd, reddit???
2394 2011-05-12 22:00:43 <ArtForz> thats for a full bitcoinhash block
2395 2011-05-12 22:00:50 <topi`> right.
2396 2011-05-12 22:00:55 <ArtForz> like I said, you can fit about 1.5 blocks of sha256 on a 45k
2397 2011-05-12 22:01:01 <ArtForz> single-pipelined
2398 2011-05-12 22:01:07 <topi`> damn, I almost feel like getting a devel board for a FPGA :)
2399 2011-05-12 22:01:13 <topi`> he was very enthusiastic about it
2400 2011-05-12 22:01:18 <ArtForz> I got 2 with lx45s here
2401 2011-05-12 22:01:34 <gmaxwell> $/h not so attractive.
2402 2011-05-12 22:01:40 <ArtForz> yep
2403 2011-05-12 22:01:44 <ArtForz> but fun to play with
2404 2011-05-12 22:02:12 <Kiba> BlueMatt: there is the xkcd and reddit minig pool
2405 2011-05-12 22:02:17 <topi`> ArtForz: any idea how much a 70k fpga would cost, approx?
2406 2011-05-12 22:02:29 <BlueMatt> Kiba: what? since when?
2407 2011-05-12 22:02:43 <Kiba> BlueMatt: ...
2408 2011-05-12 22:02:52 <Kiba> not my fault if you never heard of it
2409 2011-05-12 22:03:13 <ArtForz> about $90
2410 2011-05-12 22:03:48 <jrmithdobbs> is there not currently a way to get bitcoin addresses in the wallet? the public portion?
2411 2011-05-12 22:04:03 <ArtForz> though single pipelined doesnt get high clocks
2412 2011-05-12 22:04:35 <ArtForz> about 70-80MHz is probably the best you can get
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2415 2011-05-12 22:06:36 <gmaxwell> alas, hash functions with modular adds.
2416 2011-05-12 22:06:50 <ArtForz> yep :/
2417 2011-05-12 22:07:03 <ArtForz> btw, sha1 is fun to optimize in FPGA
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2419 2011-05-12 22:07:27 <ArtForz> it has a completely linear data schedule
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2421 2011-05-12 22:08:10 <luke-jr> jgarzik: got another change for ya
2422 2011-05-12 22:08:44 <jgarzik> luke-jr: git url + branch name :)
2423 2011-05-12 22:08:54 <nphekt> So i made an account on mining,bitcoin.cz
2424 2011-05-12 22:09:02 <topi`> ArtForz: what kind of CPU do you have running the slave FPGA? or do you have a small microcontroller core programmed into the FPGA itself?
2425 2011-05-12 22:09:13 <nphekt> i have phoenix miner and bitcoin on my pc
2426 2011-05-12 22:09:17 <nphekt> what do i do now?
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2428 2011-05-12 22:09:46 <ArtForz> S6 LX16 + a USB 1.1 transceiver
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2430 2011-05-12 22:10:41 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr personal * r087e74483d6b pushpool-personal/ (config.c server.c server.h): accept X-Forwarded-For header, if a trusted proxy provides it http://tinyurl.com/4x7l9ys
2431 2011-05-12 22:10:43 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|hey
2432 2011-05-12 22:10:44 <topi`> so it has a '67MHz 8051 core'? I wonder what architecture that i
2433 2011-05-12 22:10:50 <ArtForz> nope
2434 2011-05-12 22:10:53 <ArtForz> no CPU core at all
2435 2011-05-12 22:10:58 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: you here?
2436 2011-05-12 22:11:04 <ArtForz> my USB interface is a simple state machine at 48MHz
2437 2011-05-12 22:11:09 <sipa> TADA https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/220
2438 2011-05-12 22:11:10 <ArtForz> well, "simple"
2439 2011-05-12 22:11:28 <topi`> ArtForz: so you control the FPGA inputs via the USB link?
2440 2011-05-12 22:11:34 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
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2442 2011-05-12 22:11:42 <MagicalTux> Diablo-D3: yes
2443 2011-05-12 22:11:45 <gribble> timed out
2444 2011-05-12 22:11:48 <ArtForz> the slaves, yeah
2445 2011-05-12 22:11:56 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ^
2446 2011-05-12 22:12:03 <topi`> and upload the hash variables to the memory, and then trigger the hashing
2447 2011-05-12 22:12:20 <ArtForz> master loads bitfiles on slaves via JTAG, comm is then via simple bidir sync serial bus
2448 2011-05-12 22:12:21 <topi`> how much memory would be needed? I guess most FPGAs have enough memory cells anyway
2449 2011-05-12 22:12:38 <topi`> what are bitfiles?
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2451 2011-05-12 22:12:39 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: fix mtgox to allow sub-$/sub-btc bids
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2453 2011-05-12 22:12:50 <MagicalTux> heh
2454 2011-05-12 22:12:55 <ArtForz> global clock is a buffered 48MHz osc, each slave uses one of the on-chip PLLs to syntesize its core clock
2455 2011-05-12 22:13:01 <MagicalTux> I love when I get this kind of requests
2456 2011-05-12 22:13:09 <ArtForz> topi`: the config bitstream for the FPGA
2457 2011-05-12 22:13:33 <ArtForz> topi`: you don't need much memory at all
2458 2011-05-12 22:13:53 <topi`> ArtForz: so you need to configure the FPGA at every powerup?
2459 2011-05-12 22:13:55 <jgarzik> luke-jr: your roll-ntime change needs a small tweak: if config file disables behavior, disable the range check in preference for simple equality check
2460 2011-05-12 22:14:01 <ArtForz> yea
2461 2011-05-12 22:14:12 <jgarzik> luke-jr: if (disable_rollntime) { equality } else { range check }
2462 2011-05-12 22:14:20 <luke-jr> grmbl
2463 2011-05-12 22:14:22 <ArtForz> the controller downloads its config from a 4Mbit SPI flash
2464 2011-05-12 22:14:43 <ArtForz> then host sends slave config via usb to controller
2465 2011-05-12 22:15:03 <luke-jr> jgarzik: except that old poclbm will still roll Ntime without it
2466 2011-05-12 22:15:04 <topi`> by the controller you mean that 8051 core? that's taking care of power management
2467 2011-05-12 22:15:13 <ArtForz> what power mgmt?
2468 2011-05-12 22:15:25 <topi`> "cypress PSoC 3"
2469 2011-05-12 22:15:29 <jgarzik> luke-jr: you're configuring server behavior. config file shall control behavior, not just appearance of HTTP header.
2470 2011-05-12 22:15:36 <ArtForz> ?
2471 2011-05-12 22:15:36 <topi`> it just says "power circuit control" with many other boxes
2472 2011-05-12 22:15:46 <ArtForz> I don't have any micro on there
2473 2011-05-12 22:15:55 <topi`> i'm reading the PDF about the s6 lx16 devkit
2474 2011-05-12 22:16:15 <ArtForz> errr... my fpga board is custom...
2475 2011-05-12 22:16:26 <jgarzik> luke-jr: otherwise there's no point in the config file option, or the conditionality of the header
2476 2011-05-12 22:16:53 <ArtForz> lx16, 8 lx150, spi prom, usb transceiver, 48M clock, power supply
2477 2011-05-12 22:16:54 <topi`> ArtForz: ok, I see
2478 2011-05-12 22:17:08 <topi`> ArtForz: sorry for thinking that you ran an eval kit ;)
2479 2011-05-12 22:17:40 <topi`> the eval kit seems to be $250, so not very cheap either
2480 2011-05-12 22:17:47 <luke-jr> jgarzik: well that's too much trouble -.-
2481 2011-05-12 22:17:55 <luke-jr> jgarzik: work_in_log is nowhere near the config structures
2482 2011-05-12 22:17:59 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: you do the eval kit to get things going then build your own ;P
2483 2011-05-12 22:18:19 <ArtForz> well, this puppy cost me about $2800 to build
2484 2011-05-12 22:18:24 <jgarzik> luke-jr: then remove disable_rollntime and make the range check and header unconditional
2485 2011-05-12 22:18:32 <ArtForz> one-offs = expensive
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2490 2011-05-12 22:19:54 <luke-jr> jgarzik: can I just add another commit removign the option to my branch, or do I need to go rewrite history? -.-
2491 2011-05-12 22:20:12 <jgarzik> luke-jr: need to rewrite history :)
2492 2011-05-12 22:20:49 <jgarzik> luke-jr: create new branch; git cherry-pick top commit; git show bottom_commit | patch -sp1 ; git commit -a
2493 2011-05-12 22:20:54 <jgarzik> easy peasy
2494 2011-05-12 22:21:05 <finnomenon> are bitcoin clients forward compatible or does the net demand newer versions?
2495 2011-05-12 22:21:08 <jgarzik> well, and 'vi' in there before git commit
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2497 2011-05-12 22:21:22 <jgarzik> finnomenon: we try hard not to break old clients
2498 2011-05-12 22:21:33 <finnomenon> ok
2499 2011-05-12 22:23:01 <finnomenon> is there a way to send transactions to a single node in order to have it broadcast it in the network?
2500 2011-05-12 22:23:29 <luke-jr> jgarzik: done, but untested. might be untested for a while. bbiab
2501 2011-05-12 22:23:34 <finnomenon> (ideally json rpc)
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2505 2011-05-12 22:25:53 <Diablo-D3> [06:07:24] <MagicalTux> I love when I get this kind of requests
2506 2011-05-12 22:25:57 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: why?
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2509 2011-05-12 22:26:27 <kreal> !~kris@ip1.c70.frb232.cust.comxnet.dk|hmm
2510 2011-05-12 22:26:29 <MagicalTux> Diablo-D3: it means bitcoin's value is going up :p
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2512 2011-05-12 22:26:43 <finnomenon> what type of requests?
2513 2011-05-12 22:27:06 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: yeah, thats what Im thinking
2514 2011-05-12 22:27:12 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: 1BTC is worth like $50 now or some shit
2515 2011-05-12 22:28:00 <jgarzik> luke-jr: easier just to directly push the obvious one-liner
2516 2011-05-12 22:28:00 <finnomenon> I wish its value didn't rise at this rate
2517 2011-05-12 22:28:05 <jgarzik> luke-jr: which I just did
2518 2011-05-12 22:28:10 <finnomenon> such deflation is bad for economy in my eyes
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2520 2011-05-12 22:28:33 <topi`> well it's the initial gold rush :D
2521 2011-05-12 22:28:34 <jgarzik> finnomenon: sorta inevitable, until demand is satisfied
2522 2011-05-12 22:28:37 <topi`> it will stabilize
2523 2011-05-12 22:28:37 <midnightmagic> finnomenon: yeah, it encourages stockpiling in people who don't mind stunting the growth of the currency.
2524 2011-05-12 22:28:42 pirrr has joined
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2526 2011-05-12 22:29:12 <pirrr> I just restarted the bitcoin app and I am getting no connections? Is something wrong?
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2528 2011-05-12 22:29:24 <sipa> pirrr: it can take a while
2529 2011-05-12 22:29:44 <sipa> you can use -addnode to force it to connect to a specific IP (look on the wiki under fallback nodes for some good ones)
2530 2011-05-12 22:29:52 <pirrr> normally I get them instantly ;).
2531 2011-05-12 22:30:46 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik * rd13c58cfdd03 pushpool/server.c: Output X-Roll-Ntime HTTP header, because we support ntime varying http://tinyurl.com/3rdsu7q
2532 2011-05-12 22:30:47 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr personal * r8a44c244cfd8 pushpool-personal/server.c: Add support for X-Roll-NTime http://tinyurl.com/3ne4c59
2533 2011-05-12 22:30:48 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr personal * rb22774352d8a pushpool-personal/ (config.c server.c server.h): accept X-Forwarded-For header, if a trusted proxy provides it http://tinyurl.com/3zp9c3x
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2535 2011-05-12 22:31:27 <pirrr> even with -addnode the connection counter keeps at 0
2536 2011-05-12 22:31:31 <pirrr> $ bitcoin -addnode=178.79.147.99
2537 2011-05-12 22:31:45 <pirrr> IP is up (pingable)
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2539 2011-05-12 22:32:56 <sipa> i can connect to that IP just fine
2540 2011-05-12 22:34:36 <pirrr> very strange
2541 2011-05-12 22:34:43 <pirrr> it used to work perfectly
2542 2011-05-12 22:36:23 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,diff
2543 2011-05-12 22:36:23 <gribble> 157426.20628986
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2545 2011-05-12 22:38:05 <jgarzik> luke-jr: pulled via cherry-pick
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2548 2011-05-12 22:40:52 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r460f48d7713d pushpool/ (config.c server.c server.h): accept X-Forwarded-For header, if a trusted proxy provides it http://tinyurl.com/6xncv3r
2549 2011-05-12 22:40:54 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik * ref161bcaf0b5 pushpool/example-cfg.json: example-cfg.json: Better document 'listen' block. Document new proxy option. http://tinyurl.com/6ay2v8c
2550 2011-05-12 22:40:54 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
2551 2011-05-12 22:40:55 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.489,"low":5.201,"vol":29324,"buy":6.07,"sell":6.0999,"last":6.1}}
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2567 2011-05-12 22:54:20 <finnomenon> can the bitcoin client only send transactions in its wallet?
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2569 2011-05-12 22:55:50 <Herodes> what do you mean by that? Care to elaboratE?
2570 2011-05-12 22:57:10 <finnomenon> can a client be brought to broadcast (valid) transactions that are not in its own wallet?
2571 2011-05-12 22:57:25 <sipa> it does
2572 2011-05-12 22:57:39 <sipa> it will broadcast all transactions it hears about
2573 2011-05-12 22:57:49 <sipa> though only once
2574 2011-05-12 22:58:07 <sipa> it will keep rebroadcasting wallet transactions until they get in a block
2575 2011-05-12 22:58:18 <BlueMatt> sipa: hows export/import going?
2576 2011-05-12 22:58:28 <sipa> BlueMatt: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8091.0 :)
2577 2011-05-12 22:58:38 <BlueMatt> damn...nice
2578 2011-05-12 22:58:40 <finnomenon> so it should be possible to make a client act as a gateway and receive transactions (json rpc) which it then broadcasts?
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2580 2011-05-12 22:59:12 <finnomenon> (if somebody implemented this by means of a patch)
2581 2011-05-12 22:59:39 <sipa> finnomenon: why use json rpc? just send it a transaction using the wire protocol
2582 2011-05-12 23:00:12 <finnomenon> I'll have another look tomorrow. it's getting late
2583 2011-05-12 23:00:13 <finnomenon> thank you
2584 2011-05-12 23:01:00 <BlueMatt> what, exactly, is cs_main used for?
2585 2011-05-12 23:01:38 <genjix> its the global mutex
2586 2011-05-12 23:02:03 <BlueMatt> ...meaning?
2587 2011-05-12 23:04:00 <ArtForz> it's the big fucking lock ;)
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2589 2011-05-12 23:04:15 <BlueMatt> hence it is used in real-world usage as...
2590 2011-05-12 23:04:33 <sipa> "if you're doing something more or less intrusive, better take a lock on it"
2591 2011-05-12 23:04:39 <ArtForz> yep
2592 2011-05-12 23:04:41 <BlueMatt> fair enough
2593 2011-05-12 23:04:47 <ArtForz> the lock for everything and the kitchen sink
2594 2011-05-12 23:05:22 <Diablo-D3> hrm
2595 2011-05-12 23:05:26 <Diablo-D3> if you're all douches
2596 2011-05-12 23:05:35 <Diablo-D3> would that not make #bitcoin-dev a douche bag?
2597 2011-05-12 23:06:09 <sipa> or a swimming pool
2598 2011-05-12 23:06:16 <sipa> (since it's french for shower)
2599 2011-05-12 23:06:55 <BlueMatt> Dusche == german(shower)
2600 2011-05-12 23:07:17 <Diablo-D3> sipafail
2601 2011-05-12 23:07:25 <Diablo-D3> okay, so, douchearmy
2602 2011-05-12 23:07:30 <Diablo-D3> has anyone tried hashkill yet?
2603 2011-05-12 23:07:41 <molecular> sipa, what's the status of dumppemkey?
2604 2011-05-12 23:08:13 <sipa> molecular: oh, didn't include that currently, i may make that into a separate pull req
2605 2011-05-12 23:08:22 <sipa> if there's interest
2606 2011-05-12 23:08:36 <Diablo-D3> anyone know?
2607 2011-05-12 23:08:39 <BlueMatt> what it do?
2608 2011-05-12 23:08:41 <Diablo-D3> because the guys claiming its the fastest ever
2609 2011-05-12 23:08:45 <molecular> sipa, well, there is for me at least... want to make a sort of paper-money
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2612 2011-05-12 23:09:34 <molecular> sipa, and I also think the other use-cases in http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4448.msg65388#msg65388 by Hal are also valid
2613 2011-05-12 23:09:57 <molecular> sipa, like being able to move keys around in between wallets
2614 2011-05-12 23:10:01 <sipa> molecular: why do you need pem keys for paper money?
2615 2011-05-12 23:10:11 <sipa> they are massive in size
2616 2011-05-12 23:10:24 <molecular> sipa, I want to give printed address + key as a gift to someone
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2618 2011-05-12 23:10:38 <sipa> so, use dumpprivkey?
2619 2011-05-12 23:10:48 <molecular> sipa, oh...
2620 2011-05-12 23:11:32 <sipa> molecular: bitbills already uses that
2621 2011-05-12 23:11:55 <sipa> PEM = 720 character for a key, dumpprivkey format = 51 characters
2622 2011-05-12 23:12:10 <molecular> sipa, ok thanks, didn't know about that patch
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2624 2011-05-12 23:12:22 <molecular> will anything like this get into main bitcoin anytime?
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2626 2011-05-12 23:12:50 <fabianhjr> Hello, need some money?
2627 2011-05-12 23:13:00 <sipa> molecular: it's included in the current pull request
2628 2011-05-12 23:13:06 <molecular> sipa, NICE!
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2646 2011-05-12 23:26:33 <fabianhjr> MagicalTux:
2647 2011-05-12 23:26:50 <fabianhjr> I haven't been able to buy BTC from Mtgox, can you help?
2648 2011-05-12 23:27:37 <sethsethseth____> luke do you still need me on that alternate address?
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2650 2011-05-12 23:28:30 <fabianhjr> Kiba: how are you?
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2654 2011-05-12 23:29:17 Kiba has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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2657 2011-05-12 23:37:03 <Herodes> fabian: What is the trouble?
2658 2011-05-12 23:39:38 <sethsethseth____> herodes: how are we looking? harder than expected?
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2660 2011-05-12 23:43:46 <BlueMatt> ZOMG..."19 changed files with 1,473 additions and 80 deletions."
2661 2011-05-12 23:44:25 <fabianhjr> Herodes, my order won't get trough.
2662 2011-05-12 23:44:43 <EvanR> slush: hey. i cant get to your website
2663 2011-05-12 23:44:49 <EvanR> am i on a blacklist
2664 2011-05-12 23:45:04 <luke-jr> jgarzik: why not just pull/merge? :/
2665 2011-05-12 23:45:06 <fabianhjr> 6.5 USD per rBTC. All time high. We will reach 10 USD per BTC quite soon. :)
2666 2011-05-12 23:45:10 <slush> EvanR: what error?
2667 2011-05-12 23:45:20 <luke-jr> fabianhjr: rBTC? wtf? O.o
2668 2011-05-12 23:45:25 <EvanR> slOops! Google Chrome could not connect to mining.bitcoin.cz
2669 2011-05-12 23:45:59 <slush> hm, troubles with dns?
2670 2011-05-12 23:46:08 <EvanR> dont think so
2671 2011-05-12 23:46:12 <EvanR> give me the ip address
2672 2011-05-12 23:46:17 <slush> which IP do you see?
2673 2011-05-12 23:46:21 <sipa> BlueMatt: where can you see those statistics?
2674 2011-05-12 23:46:30 <slush> 178.79.147.99
2675 2011-05-12 23:46:31 <BlueMatt> sipa: if I click pull req, but dont submit
2676 2011-05-12 23:46:41 <EvanR> 178.79.147.99
2677 2011-05-12 23:46:49 <slush> correct
2678 2011-05-12 23:46:51 <fabianhjr> luke-jr typo sorry. In all honesty is the BTC 2.0 :P
2679 2011-05-12 23:47:05 <BlueMatt> and that is without any key cycling stuff, though that should only be another ~25x2 lines
2680 2011-05-12 23:47:06 <EvanR> sending request ...
2681 2011-05-12 23:47:19 <EvanR> This webpage is not available.
2682 2011-05-12 23:47:29 <slush> did you tried another browser?
2683 2011-05-12 23:47:39 <slush> site works fine for me, that's strange
2684 2011-05-12 23:47:53 <sipa> BlueMatt: i "only" have 261 additions, 16 deletions
2685 2011-05-12 23:47:58 <EvanR> firefox...
2686 2011-05-12 23:48:01 <BlueMatt> ha, what a loser ;)
2687 2011-05-12 23:48:03 <EvanR> connecting...
2688 2011-05-12 23:48:05 <sipa> and 7 files changed :(
2689 2011-05-12 23:48:13 <EvanR> The connection has timed out
2690 2011-05-12 23:48:34 <EvanR> slush: yes, as far as i can tell it works for *everyone* else, including my computer at work
2691 2011-05-12 23:48:43 <sipa> rejectedtx has another 237 additions 69 deletions in 7 files
2692 2011-05-12 23:48:48 <BlueMatt> now I just have to figure out the key-rotating stuff and test all the changes when Im slightly more awake...
2693 2011-05-12 23:49:07 <slush> EvanR: don't have an idea :(
2694 2011-05-12 23:49:12 <EvanR> slush: >_<
2695 2011-05-12 23:49:28 <EvanR> my isp blocked you? no, i can ping
2696 2011-05-12 23:49:47 <grbgout> slush'
2697 2011-05-12 23:49:50 <BlueMatt> if you had to guess the best way to figure out which key had gone the longest since use, what would you guess?
2698 2011-05-12 23:49:51 <jgarzik> luke-jr: when you said "bbiab" nothing had changed in your public git tree
2699 2011-05-12 23:49:52 <grbgout> slush's page is up for me.
2700 2011-05-12 23:49:57 <slush> EvanR: site does not have blacklist, but rate limiter. So there is no reason to block some specific ip...
2701 2011-05-12 23:49:58 <jgarzik> luke-jr: faster just to paste a one-liner
2702 2011-05-12 23:50:01 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it had :P
2703 2011-05-12 23:50:02 <EvanR> slushs page works for everyone but me
2704 2011-05-12 23:50:07 <luke-jr> just wasn't updated on BitGit morror
2705 2011-05-12 23:50:09 <luke-jr> mirror
2706 2011-05-12 23:50:18 <grbgout> EvanR: maybe slush hates you? =X
2707 2011-05-12 23:50:25 <slush> :)
2708 2011-05-12 23:50:30 <EvanR> slush: going to netcat and manually request on port 80
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2711 2011-05-12 23:50:43 <sipa> BlueMatt: if it's for change, i think the best key to use is one of the addresses it came from
2712 2011-05-12 23:50:44 <slush> what's your IP?
2713 2011-05-12 23:50:48 <slush> PM me
2714 2011-05-12 23:51:13 <sipa> BlueMatt: any other key will link two addresses the world did not know they belonged to the same person together
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2716 2011-05-12 23:51:15 <BlueMatt> sipa: ah, good point...
2717 2011-05-12 23:51:25 <BlueMatt> sipa: what about mining?
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2719 2011-05-12 23:51:50 <sipa> BlueMatt: i'd use the default key for mining
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2721 2011-05-12 23:51:58 <BlueMatt> ok, Ill go do that
2722 2011-05-12 23:52:17 <sipa> many people don't care about that anonymity, as it is a single address in pool mining anyway
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2726 2011-05-12 23:52:40 <BlueMatt> I think it probably only effects Art
2727 2011-05-12 23:52:53 <sipa> there are quite some solo miners too
2728 2011-05-12 23:52:57 <BlueMatt> though Id bet he'll be smart enough to write an rpc cronjob which refreshes his keypool
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2730 2011-05-12 23:53:09 <BlueMatt> the thing is how long it takes to go through 100 addresses...
2731 2011-05-12 23:53:27 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 60000000
2732 2011-05-12 23:53:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 60000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 49 seconds
2733 2011-05-12 23:53:35 <sipa> 2 weeks? :)
2734 2011-05-12 23:53:41 <sipa> at 60Ghash/s
2735 2011-05-12 23:53:48 <BlueMatt> yea...doesnt even effect Art
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2737 2011-05-12 23:55:41 <CIA-103> bitcoin: various personal * ref161b..495ec6 pushpool-personal/ (6 files): (5 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3egzu9w
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