1 2011-05-14 00:00:05 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yeah, the boost build is pretty easy.  I just dislike C++ in general, and boost in particular :)  Error messages produced by the compiler are completely incomprehensible
   2 2011-05-14 00:00:12 <anon23097> sipa: Who is your Ubuntu-providing VPS provider?
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  11 2011-05-14 00:13:56 <BlueMatt> if the first statement of an if && is false does c++ execute the rest and can one depend on that?
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  13 2011-05-14 00:14:28 <kreal-> it should
  14 2011-05-14 00:15:08 <BlueMatt> should or does?
  15 2011-05-14 00:15:14 <BlueMatt> with all compilers?
  16 2011-05-14 00:16:36 <jgarzik> kreal-: no, it shouldn't
  17 2011-05-14 00:16:57 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: if the first branch is false, other branches are not evaluated
  18 2011-05-14 00:17:10 <kreal-> i think it should then.
  19 2011-05-14 00:17:17 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: thanks
  20 2011-05-14 00:17:23 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: thus you can do:  if (ptr && ptr->myval != 42)
  21 2011-05-14 00:17:25 <BlueMatt> kreal-: if its a standard, it doesnt matter which as long as one knows
  22 2011-05-14 00:17:32 <jgarzik> kreal-: no, it shouldn't
  23 2011-05-14 00:17:52 <kreal-> oh well
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  25 2011-05-14 00:19:02 <kreal-> my pool is up again.
  26 2011-05-14 00:19:09 <kreal-> took me what 18 hours...
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  28 2011-05-14 00:27:34 <taco_the_paco> O_O
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  32 2011-05-14 00:30:16 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calc
  33 2011-05-14 00:30:16 <gribble> (bc,calc <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given current difficulty of [bc,diff], is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
  34 2011-05-14 00:30:25 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stat
  35 2011-05-14 00:30:25 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
  36 2011-05-14 00:30:26 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
  37 2011-05-14 00:30:30 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123759 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1232 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 207569.27230912
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  44 2011-05-14 00:45:28 <jaybny> follow @newberg_test for BTC - MTGOX price updates..   http://twitter.com/#!/newberg_test
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  62 2011-05-14 01:05:14 <EPiSKiNG> I have a 6990 that for some reason, after like 20 minutes, the fan reduces down to 30%
  63 2011-05-14 01:05:21 <EPiSKiNG> anyone seen this issue before?
  64 2011-05-14 01:05:37 <EPiSKiNG> and is there a way to edit the BIOS so that it defaults to 100% all the time?
  65 2011-05-14 01:06:15 <phantomcircuit> dont do dat
  66 2011-05-14 01:07:44 <EPiSKiNG> why?
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  68 2011-05-14 01:10:00 <taco_the_paco> yes theres a way to do that, flashing the bios is rather risky though
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  70 2011-05-14 01:10:41 <taco_the_paco> wouldn't suggest anyone to do it, just have MSI afterburner or the ATI drivers set the fan to 100 %
  71 2011-05-14 01:10:42 <EPiSKiNG> why risky?
  72 2011-05-14 01:10:51 <EPiSKiNG> Yeah, I have MSI afterburner set to 100%
  73 2011-05-14 01:11:04 <EPiSKiNG> but for some reason after a bit of time, it resets down to 30%
  74 2011-05-14 01:11:05 <EPiSKiNG> no idea why
  75 2011-05-14 01:11:17 <EPiSKiNG> I tried the settings->user fan control graph
  76 2011-05-14 01:11:20 <EPiSKiNG> same thing
  77 2011-05-14 01:16:20 <[Tycho]> "<taco_the_paco> yes theres a way to do that, flashing the bios is rather risky though" - 6990 has two bios chips, you can switch them in case of failure :)
  78 2011-05-14 01:16:31 <EPiSKiNG> true that
  79 2011-05-14 01:16:31 <EPiSKiNG> !
  80 2011-05-14 01:16:34 <taco_the_paco> ooo, did not know that :D!
  81 2011-05-14 01:16:52 * EPiSKiNG commences flashing
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  84 2011-05-14 01:17:30 <taco_the_paco> i'd say go for it then just be very careful http://www.techpowerup.com/rbe/
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  86 2011-05-14 01:17:48 <taco_the_paco> actually not sure if that card is supported
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  96 2011-05-14 01:31:12 <BlueMatt> jgarzik sipa: RFC #2 https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/941784a5bd4dc0e9da51fe7a5e0af3669949d254
  97 2011-05-14 01:31:41 <BlueMatt> (still needs to do the openssl malloc -> malloc + mlock thing but mostly good to go)
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  99 2011-05-14 01:33:03 <BlueMatt> (oh and translations)
 100 2011-05-14 01:34:02 <BlueMatt> anyway, those are things for tomorrow, please leave comments with gribble :)
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 111 2011-05-14 01:51:50 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: hm. How is this usable from the CLI? I'm not catching how you'd do password entry there.
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 113 2011-05-14 01:55:08 <luke-jr> 5d1d69453a8bc9564a40b3bb2e1f05de233e868d looks totally backward
 114 2011-05-14 01:55:17 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: ^
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 116 2011-05-14 01:55:52 <lulzplzkthx> eh?
 117 2011-05-14 01:57:05 <EPiSKiNG> 6990 is supported, and I flashed it
 118 2011-05-14 01:57:27 <lulzplzkthx> gmaxwell: what are you referring to?
 119 2011-05-14 01:58:26 <gmaxwell> lulzplzkthx: the wallet encryption.
 120 2011-05-14 01:58:48 <gmaxwell> (the patch BlueMatt linked to)
 121 2011-05-14 01:58:50 <lulzplzkthx> oh, not sure, sorry.
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 124 2011-05-14 02:01:52 <jaybny> is it true not every trade is published by MagicalTux?
 125 2011-05-14 02:01:54 <jaybny> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8224.0
 126 2011-05-14 02:02:53 <MagicalTux> ?
 127 2011-05-14 02:03:04 <MagicalTux> it's not trades but orders, on getOrders
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 129 2011-05-14 02:04:08 <jaybny> ok
 130 2011-05-14 02:04:35 <jaybny> what about the depth channel?
 131 2011-05-14 02:05:36 <jaybny> im only using trades for now anyways.
 132 2011-05-14 02:05:50 <MagicalTux> depth channel has no limits
 133 2011-05-14 02:05:56 <MagicalTux> it reports all changes to the depth
 134 2011-05-14 02:06:32 <jaybny> is there a way to get snapshot and then the deltas?
 135 2011-05-14 02:06:37 <Crshman> is it possible to run multiple bitcoind instances from one wallet at the same time?
 136 2011-05-14 02:07:03 <Crshman> in an attempt to make the xmlrpc interface for the singular wallet redundant and highly available
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 138 2011-05-14 02:07:30 <MagicalTux> [11:00:49] <jaybny> is there a way to get snapshot and then the deltas? <- planned
 139 2011-05-14 02:07:31 <jaybny> http://twitter.com/newberg_test - this is live - broadcats Btc-MtGox when tehre is a new high/low... and only 1 every 10 minutes...
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 142 2011-05-14 02:10:39 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r25afe8de940a gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoin/ (Manifest bitcoin-9999.ebuild): net-p2p/bitcoin-9999: SSE2 support was removed http://tinyurl.com/3sjv9ft
 143 2011-05-14 02:15:06 <sacarlson> Crshman: I'm not sure why you would need multi bitcoind running unless your running multi chain and it that case I keep my wallets separate
 144 2011-05-14 02:16:01 <Crshman> sacarlson: well I want to create a highly available xmlrpc interface for a single wallet, and from my limited knowledge the xmlrpc client is only presented by a bitcoind instance
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 146 2011-05-14 02:16:39 <sacarlson> Crshman: you can have muli accounts with bitcoind that's how I handle having many users one the same server
 147 2011-05-14 02:17:01 <Crshman> right, but I don't want to put many users on one server, I want multiple servers so if one goes down all hell doesn't break loose
 148 2011-05-14 02:17:13 <sacarlson> Crshman: I keep all the accounts on a single mysql server
 149 2011-05-14 02:17:54 <sacarlson> Crshman: you could run many servers on many systems and just move the accounts from bitcoind to the mysql account
 150 2011-05-14 02:18:51 <Crshman> so do you just associate all the keys for a single user in the mysql db?
 151 2011-05-14 02:19:02 <sacarlson> Crshman: when the user logs in and creates a seasion it would link him to the servers he will be using
 152 2011-05-14 02:19:04 <Crshman> say you have 5 servers, a single user would have 5 seperate keys from all the 5 servers?
 153 2011-05-14 02:19:11 <Crshman> and if that server goes down
 154 2011-05-14 02:19:13 <Crshman> then what?
 155 2011-05-14 02:19:16 <Crshman> they're kinda stuck
 156 2011-05-14 02:20:11 <sacarlson> Crshman: keys have a lifetime of 24 - 48 hours when he needs to create a new deposit he will be isued a new address
 157 2011-05-14 02:20:35 <Crshman> so you don't persist a bitcoin address to a user account?
 158 2011-05-14 02:20:43 <sacarlson> Crshman: no
 159 2011-05-14 02:20:57 <Crshman> ah
 160 2011-05-14 02:21:25 <Crshman> hmm i hadn't thought of that approach
 161 2011-05-14 02:22:11 <sacarlson> Crshman: you can keep the accounts running much longer but I tell them they need to have the transaction done within that time frame
 162 2011-05-14 02:22:26 <sacarlson> or addresses I should say
 163 2011-05-14 02:22:28 <Crshman> yeah, makes sense
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 165 2011-05-14 02:23:18 <Crshman> i guess that's really the only way around it
 166 2011-05-14 02:23:20 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
 167 2011-05-14 02:23:20 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.45,"low":6.5001,"vol":59155,"buy":7.9,"sell":8.15,"last":8}}
 168 2011-05-14 02:23:25 <Diablo-D3> jesus christ what
 169 2011-05-14 02:23:33 <Crshman> but honestly I'd rather persist addresses to a user
 170 2011-05-14 02:24:01 <sacarlson> Crshman: well when you are small you can have users with muliple addresses on different servers also
 171 2011-05-14 02:24:36 <sacarlson> Crshman: I'm small so I can persist
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 173 2011-05-14 02:25:12 <Crshman> i guess using revolving addresses wouldn't be too hard from a server standpoint, but that would make managing addresses for a user a non option
 174 2011-05-14 02:25:27 <Crshman> which may not be a bad thing
 175 2011-05-14 02:27:14 <luke-jr> Crshman: fwiw, I will probably be doing some kind of wallet synchronization soon
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 177 2011-05-14 02:27:25 <Crshman> yeah that's another option
 178 2011-05-14 02:27:36 <sacarlson> Crshman: you might note that's how https://www.mybitcoin.com/ does it
 179 2011-05-14 02:27:37 <Crshman> i have no idea how to go about that, but I haven't spent much time on it
 180 2011-05-14 02:27:42 <Crshman> ah
 181 2011-05-14 02:27:57 <Crshman> actually
 182 2011-05-14 02:28:03 <luke-jr> it's possible to hack bitcoind to use MySQL for the wallet, I think
 183 2011-05-14 02:28:04 <Crshman> that seems like a pretty reasonable solution
 184 2011-05-14 02:28:10 <luke-jr> not sure if I'm going to do that way tho
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 187 2011-05-14 02:28:44 <Crshman> well even if you do that I imagine you still run into the issue of a single "wallet" with multiple daemons
 188 2011-05-14 02:28:53 <Crshman> your storage engine just shifts from a file to a db
 189 2011-05-14 02:29:10 <Crshman> the sync option you mentioned seems like a good way to go
 190 2011-05-14 02:29:41 <Crshman> i guess it's time to do more research on how to accomplish that
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 192 2011-05-14 02:30:48 <sacarlson> Crshman: well that's how mine works when the user wants to see there balance what the php code does is move all the balances of that users acounts out of bitcoind and into the mysql before it displays to the user
 193 2011-05-14 02:31:03 <Crshman> right now that's what i'm doing right now too
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 195 2011-05-14 02:32:20 <sacarlson> Crshman: I guess if you had multiple systems running bitcoind servers your code would sync to all of them before showing the results
 196 2011-05-14 02:32:50 <Crshman> right, but a user would have a flurry of different keys on each server that I'd have to keep track of
 197 2011-05-14 02:33:14 <Crshman> and if a send transaction happens from one machine, the newly generated keys won't show up on the other servers
 198 2011-05-14 02:33:17 <Crshman> unless I do some sort of sync
 199 2011-05-14 02:33:39 <sacarlson> Crshman: the bitcoind will track the keys all the servers will still have the same account name
 200 2011-05-14 02:34:18 <Crshman> when I spend on server A a new key gets generated in the pool for server A right?
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 203 2011-05-14 02:34:49 <Crshman> how does server B know what key was generated on server A? does the protocol handle that?
 204 2011-05-14 02:34:52 <sacarlson> Crshman: so over time a user may have as many addresses for bitcoin deposits as you have servers
 205 2011-05-14 02:35:01 <Crshman> right
 206 2011-05-14 02:35:15 <Crshman> thinking about it though, I think I presented the wrong example
 207 2011-05-14 02:35:37 <plato> hi guys
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 209 2011-05-14 02:36:08 <plato> is there a list of the priority features for 4.0?
 210 2011-05-14 02:36:09 <sacarlson> Crshman: when the accounts are synced all the money in the bitcoind account for say user 104 is set to zero and added to the mysql balance
 211 2011-05-14 02:36:18 <Crshman> how about this example, lets say I do a "getnewaddress" for an account on server A
 212 2011-05-14 02:36:24 <Crshman> how does server B know what address was generated?
 213 2011-05-14 02:36:46 <sacarlson> Crshman: it doesn't need to know
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 215 2011-05-14 02:38:19 <Crshman> well what if server A goes down shortly after the new address is generated. the user wants to receive btc on that address, and it should be available immediately, will the other servers pick up that the address belongs to that account when a transaction is sent to the newly generated address?
 216 2011-05-14 02:38:22 <sacarlson> Crshman: I guess I see your point if that server with his address goes down you would need to move his account to the other server to continue to recieve his funds
 217 2011-05-14 02:38:33 <Crshman> yeah
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 219 2011-05-14 02:39:25 <sacarlson> Crshman: ok I see your point,  maybe with the tool that bitcard uses you could create a method to merge the two wallets
 220 2011-05-14 02:40:04 <Crshman> what tool is that? is it on the forums? if so I can search no need to spoon feed you've offered more than enough help thus far =D
 221 2011-05-14 02:40:20 <sacarlson> with bitcard they just extract the key of the wallet so you could add keys to an already existing wallet
 222 2011-05-14 02:40:39 <sacarlson> Crshman: google bitcard tools
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 224 2011-05-14 02:41:53 * luke-jr has a branch of bitcointools with --merge option
 225 2011-05-14 02:42:29 <sacarlson> luke-jr cool
 226 2011-05-14 02:42:34 <luke-jr> only works offline ofc
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 228 2011-05-14 02:42:45 <luke-jr> someone else here had patches for JSON-RPC import/export
 229 2011-05-14 02:43:08 <Crshman> that would be handy
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 231 2011-05-14 02:43:16 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gen 363000
 232 2011-05-14 02:43:18 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 363000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 2.31928159076 BTC per day and 0.0966367329485 BTC per hour.
 233 2011-05-14 02:43:19 <sacarlson> luke-jr but I assume you can't have both identicle wallets running at the same time
 234 2011-05-14 02:43:39 <luke-jr> sacarlson: why not?
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 236 2011-05-14 02:43:53 <Crshman> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/220
 237 2011-05-14 02:44:16 <sacarlson> luke-jr I'm not sure if you spend from one then the other isn't matched unless you sync on each transaction
 238 2011-05-14 02:44:46 <luke-jr> sacarlson: IIRC someone fixed that a bit ago
 239 2011-05-14 02:45:35 <sacarlson> luke-jr you mean buy design you have have to bitcoind running at the same time and there balance will stay synced?
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 241 2011-05-14 02:46:11 <Crshman> it should right?
 242 2011-05-14 02:46:20 <Crshman> since they both receive the transaction from the network?
 243 2011-05-14 02:46:31 <sacarlson> Crshman: I'm not sure I'll run an experiment in testnet to find out
 244 2011-05-14 02:46:47 <Crshman> yeah 'im going to run a few experiments in test net right now too
 245 2011-05-14 02:47:07 <sacarlson> Crshman: the other won't see the transaction until the next minned coin event
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 247 2011-05-14 02:47:14 <Crshman> oh true
 248 2011-05-14 02:47:38 <sacarlson> Crshman: so they will be out of sync for about 20 minits or up to 12 hours
 249 2011-05-14 02:48:12 <kreal-> ;;bc,stats
 250 2011-05-14 02:48:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123780 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1211 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 43 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 208460.84843488
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 252 2011-05-14 02:50:37 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rea49fd9aef10 gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoin/ (Manifest bitcoin-9999.ebuild files/Makefile.gentoo): net-p2p/bitcoin-9999: various other updates needed for latest git codebase http://tinyurl.com/6cgpu2b
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 254 2011-05-14 02:55:22 <Diablo-D3> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2546815
 255 2011-05-14 02:55:25 <Diablo-D3> dear god
 256 2011-05-14 02:56:27 <gjs278> namecoin sucks
 257 2011-05-14 02:58:50 <Diablo-D3> yes, but why the fuck did it even get votes
 258 2011-05-14 02:59:03 <jgarzik> gjs278: make a better one.  the instructions are on the forums.
 259 2011-05-14 02:59:08 <gjs278> no
 260 2011-05-14 02:59:10 <gjs278> i mean
 261 2011-05-14 02:59:13 <gjs278> the idea
 262 2011-05-14 02:59:39 <plato> how do I track bugs, proposed features, etc using github?
 263 2011-05-14 02:59:55 <gjs278> is stupid
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 268 2011-05-14 03:06:53 <Laereom_> So, I'm just getting started using the JSON RPC with bitcoind, and I have a few questions about how the account system works.  Pretty basic stuff, I doubt it'll be hard to answer.
 269 2011-05-14 03:07:13 <Laereom_> Anyone up for helping a noob out?
 270 2011-05-14 03:07:28 <Laereom_> ...i just read the 'ask and wait for a reply' >.>
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 272 2011-05-14 03:08:12 <Laereom_> Alright, I see a lot of commands for setting addresses to be associated with accounts, listing accounts, etc...but I don't actually see how accounts are created.  Is this somehow done implicitly?  Is there any resource I can read on this topic?
 273 2011-05-14 03:08:32 <necrodearia> I suggest a gnome and kde gui be developed as well
 274 2011-05-14 03:08:33 <sacarlson> I love this https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/220  able to export and merge keys  I want to play with that
 275 2011-05-14 03:09:20 <plato> Laereom_: i'm new to -dev too
 276 2011-05-14 03:09:33 <necrodearia> Discussing in #bitcoin-gentoo, I was curious about gui binary being renamed to have prefix of "wx" ("wxbitcoin") and realized that it was the only app on my system prefixed with wx.  However, there are many apps on my system prefixed with "k" for kde, "gtk" for gnome and "qt" for qt
 277 2011-05-14 03:11:04 <Crshman> sacarlson: it looks promising, I just compiled it right now
 278 2011-05-14 03:11:07 <Crshman> running some tests on it
 279 2011-05-14 03:13:47 <jaybny> MagicalTux is there an officail ticker symbol
 280 2011-05-14 03:13:50 <jaybny> ?
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 282 2011-05-14 03:17:24 <MagicalTux> jaybny: symbol?
 283 2011-05-14 03:17:34 <jaybny> USDBTC
 284 2011-05-14 03:17:43 <jaybny> mtgoxBC
 285 2011-05-14 03:17:48 <jaybny> mtgoxBTC
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 287 2011-05-14 03:18:29 <jaybny> MagicalTux what is the ticker symbol for trading BitCoins for USD on your exchange?
 288 2011-05-14 03:19:08 <EPiSKiNG> Who has extender cables for sale?
 289 2011-05-14 03:19:14 <EPiSKiNG> technopagan?
 290 2011-05-14 03:19:14 <Diablo-D3> jaybny: "mtgox"
 291 2011-05-14 03:19:23 <Diablo-D3> jaybny: "mtusd" is for usd holdings on mtgox
 292 2011-05-14 03:20:42 <jaybny> Diable-D3:    IBM 101 , ESM11 1300, mtgox 6
 293 2011-05-14 03:20:51 <jaybny> what about BTCUSD
 294 2011-05-14 03:20:55 <jaybny> USDBTC
 295 2011-05-14 03:22:50 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtusd
 296 2011-05-14 03:22:51 <gribble> Error: "bc,mtusd" is not a valid command.
 297 2011-05-14 03:22:57 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 298 2011-05-14 03:22:57 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.9,"low":6.5001,"vol":63453,"buy":8.501,"sell":8.511,"last":8.5011}}
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 307 2011-05-14 03:59:39 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
 308 2011-05-14 03:59:41 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123793 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1198 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 6 hours, 24 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 209215.02811429
 309 2011-05-14 03:59:50 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 2800000
 310 2011-05-14 03:59:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 2 days, 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 38 seconds
 311 2011-05-14 03:59:55 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calcd 2800000 209215.02811429
 312 2011-05-14 03:59:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2800000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 209215.02811429, is 3 days, 17 hours, 8 minutes, and 38 seconds
 313 2011-05-14 04:00:12 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gen 2800000
 314 2011-05-14 04:00:12 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 17.8897753558 BTC per day and 0.74540730649 BTC per hour.
 315 2011-05-14 04:00:15 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gend 2800000 209215.02811429
 316 2011-05-14 04:00:15 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2800000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 209215.02811429, is 13.4613631297 BTC per day and 0.560890130405 BTC per hour.
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 325 2011-05-14 04:15:01 <Crshman> is there a way to compile a 32b bitcoin binary on a 64b system ?
 326 2011-05-14 04:17:27 <luke-jr> not without installing a 32b system too
 327 2011-05-14 04:17:47 <Crshman> so I have to compile on a 32b system to get a 32b binary?
 328 2011-05-14 04:18:12 <Crshman> can't I just pass the -m32 flag?
 329 2011-05-14 04:19:14 <doublec> yes, pass the -m32 flag and install the 32 bit libraries
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 331 2011-05-14 04:19:32 <Crshman> pass -m32 to the make command? or do I set it in the makefile?
 332 2011-05-14 04:19:47 <doublec> it depends on how the project is set up
 333 2011-05-14 04:19:56 <doublec> it needs to be on the compile line and the link line
 334 2011-05-14 04:20:12 <luke-jr> Crshman: as doublec said, you still need to install the 32b system
 335 2011-05-14 04:20:15 <luke-jr> before that will work
 336 2011-05-14 04:20:20 <Crshman> right
 337 2011-05-14 04:20:20 <doublec> and you'll need g++-multilib
 338 2011-05-14 04:20:25 <Crshman> ah
 339 2011-05-14 04:20:33 <doublec> and probably ia32-libs and friends
 340 2011-05-14 04:20:41 <doublec> (on ubuntu)
 341 2011-05-14 04:21:11 <Crshman> more work than it's work =P I just installed all the source deps on my 32b laptop and i started the compile
 342 2011-05-14 04:21:17 <Crshman> worth*
 343 2011-05-14 04:21:27 <luke-jr> lol
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 346 2011-05-14 04:35:49 <EPiSKiNG> Tycho, you around?
 347 2011-05-14 04:36:00 <EPiSKiNG> I want to know how many BTC you're making in a 24 hr period
 348 2011-05-14 04:36:08 <EPiSKiNG> extremely curious
 349 2011-05-14 04:38:04 <doublec> you should be able to work it out. You know the pool hash rate. and the percentage it takes.
 350 2011-05-14 04:38:55 <gjs278> on topic there is a mouse in my house wat do
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 352 2011-05-14 04:40:26 <doublec> ;;bc,gen 600000000
 353 2011-05-14 04:40:28 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 600000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 3833.52329052 BTC per day and 159.730137105 BTC per hour.
 354 2011-05-14 04:40:36 <doublec> ;;calc 3833 * 0.03
 355 2011-05-14 04:40:36 <gribble> 3,833 * 0.03 = 114.99
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 357 2011-05-14 04:41:08 <Raccoon> ;;view
 358 2011-05-14 04:41:09 <gribble> #2294 Fri May 13 12:23:59 2011 Raccoon SELL 1.0 bcm_invitation @ 1 BTC ((Selling BitCoin Market invite))
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 363 2011-05-14 04:45:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123806 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1185 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 211332.48118757
 364 2011-05-14 04:46:13 <Crshman> sacarlson: that patch seems to be working pretty well from my testing
 365 2011-05-14 04:46:26 <Crshman> i'm going to add another small feature to it and I think it'll work out
 366 2011-05-14 04:47:22 <sacarlson> Crshman: I didn't find that tree hash in the git I downloaded
 367 2011-05-14 04:48:29 <sacarlson> Crshman: I'm presently busy with an attempt to compile for windows XP with mingw
 368 2011-05-14 04:48:38 <Crshman> fun fun
 369 2011-05-14 04:49:22 <sacarlson> Crshman: I hate windows but to get testers for my site I need a working windows client
 370 2011-05-14 04:49:30 <Crshman> sucks
 371 2011-05-14 04:51:51 <sacarlson> Crshman: I'm trying a dangers shortcut with this precreated package of dependancies http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4750.0
 372 2011-05-14 04:52:19 <Crshman> i see, I have no windows machines at all so I don't have to fight with that thankfull
 373 2011-05-14 04:52:19 <Crshman> y
 374 2011-05-14 04:52:25 <Crshman> nor does my app require windows
 375 2011-05-14 04:53:03 <sacarlson> has anyone used this package from here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UMGIGSYM  ?  is it at all safe?
 376 2011-05-14 04:53:33 <sacarlson> Crshman: I don't eather I run windows XP in a virtualbox in linux
 377 2011-05-14 04:55:08 <doublec> why not using mingw-get to install things like openssl?
 378 2011-05-14 04:55:16 <doublec> instead of building it from source
 379 2011-05-14 04:55:30 <doublec> making a mingw-get package for bitcoin would be useful
 380 2011-05-14 04:56:19 <sacarlson> doublec: that package above is all the binaries already compiled to enable compiling bitcoin without geting each of those
 381 2011-05-14 04:56:36 <doublec> yeah, I don't trust binaries from random strangers
 382 2011-05-14 04:56:51 <doublec> (says the person who suggests using random binaries from mingw....)
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 384 2011-05-14 04:57:51 <sacarlson> doublec: this is just a temp shortcut I agree at some point I'll have to find a more secure method,  but my windows XP is already unsecure so pointless to try to secure something that can't be anyway
 385 2011-05-14 04:58:58 <Kiba> yay...
 386 2011-05-14 04:59:09 * Kiba is close to finishing a critical component of his business model for bitcoinweekly
 387 2011-05-14 04:59:42 <sacarlson> I think I should distibute my windows version with a sandbox attached
 388 2011-05-14 05:00:49 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: page 3 girls?
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 391 2011-05-14 05:01:12 <doublec> sacarlson: haha, good point
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 393 2011-05-14 05:02:07 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: no...I am trying to improve the economic output of my magazine by improving the ease of posting and reviewing contents
 394 2011-05-14 05:02:28 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: so.... page 3 girls?
 395 2011-05-14 05:02:53 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: I bid 6 girls and one goat
 396 2011-05-14 05:03:28 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: no.
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 398 2011-05-14 05:04:43 <Kiba> Hmm
 399 2011-05-14 05:04:46 <pnicholson> Kiba: you should make two versions, one for Diablo-D3 and one for everyone else lol
 400 2011-05-14 05:04:51 <Kiba> bitcoin is its own startup incubators
 401 2011-05-14 05:05:04 <Diablo-D3> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3091
 402 2011-05-14 05:05:08 <Kiba> pnicholson: the ROI of that would be horrific
 403 2011-05-14 05:05:16 <Diablo-D3> the ROI would be HILARIOUS
 404 2011-05-14 05:05:31 <Diablo-D3> smaller returns would still be a positive ROI
 405 2011-05-14 05:06:08 <pnicholson> nah, you just design the one version and sub the picture for the other
 406 2011-05-14 05:06:29 <pnicholson> *pictures
 407 2011-05-14 05:06:57 <Kiba> I wonder what's taking my competitors, The Bitcoin Sun, so long to get started
 408 2011-05-14 05:06:58 <pnicholson> use a google images search for girls and goats LOL
 409 2011-05-14 05:07:09 <Kiba> s/competitors/competitor
 410 2011-05-14 05:07:21 <Kiba> allegly, they got enough capitals to last for weeks
 411 2011-05-14 05:07:29 <Kiba> and better pay
 412 2011-05-14 05:08:04 * Kiba only pay his employee a measely 2 BTC
 413 2011-05-14 05:08:48 <Kiba> granted, it is better pay than only weeks ago
 414 2011-05-14 05:09:12 <retinal> depending on how much effort the employee actually exerted that may not be so bad
 415 2011-05-14 05:09:45 <Kiba> my employee is a reliable producer of contents
 416 2011-05-14 05:10:26 <Kiba> and he write articles that get people's attention and stuff
 417 2011-05-14 05:10:32 <Kiba> that's gold right there
 418 2011-05-14 05:10:59 <retinal> I make noise and flash lights to accomplish the same thing ;)
 419 2011-05-14 05:11:02 <Kiba> ya know how many editors I went throught?
 420 2011-05-14 05:11:19 <Kiba> (and writers)
 421 2011-05-14 05:11:35 <Kiba> my boss left the business after an editor quit
 422 2011-05-14 05:11:48 <Kiba> then I have my own editor quit
 423 2011-05-14 05:12:20 <Kiba> plus, there's guys who write one or two articles..but that's it..
 424 2011-05-14 05:12:28 <da2ce7> :)
 425 2011-05-14 05:12:33 <da2ce7> hey kiba!
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 427 2011-05-14 05:13:08 <Kiba> I am finally recouping my cost though
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 432 2011-05-14 05:18:37 <da2ce7> how  much do you get from adds?
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 434 2011-05-14 05:22:00 <plato> ;;slap kiba
 435 2011-05-14 05:22:01 * gribble slaps kiba with a gone to waste trout
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 466 2011-05-14 06:48:33 <pnicholson> ;gpg eauth soaring_eagle
 467 2011-05-14 06:48:56 <pnicholson> ;;gpg eauth soaring_eagle
 468 2011-05-14 06:48:56 <gribble> Request successful for user soaring_eagle, hostmask pnicholson!~paul@2001:470:e1c6:0:fa1e:dfff:fee5:4864. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/4CF4982BE65E1DBE
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 471 2011-05-14 06:58:47 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
 472 2011-05-14 06:58:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 34603119.8481 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 5 hours, 25 minutes, and 39 seconds
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 478 2011-05-14 07:03:15 <Herodes> Kiba: Yes, content is king.
 479 2011-05-14 07:03:15 <Herodes> :D
 480 2011-05-14 07:04:15 <WantToBuy> Why can't I join the #Pakistan channel ? I wanted to give them this link : http://dotsub.com/media/b5ee5ada-5b37-4b0b-9916-e0896337ec4b/e/m
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 488 2011-05-14 07:28:12 <redwizard_kde> anyone have any errors compiling bitcoin for kubuntu?
 489 2011-05-14 07:28:25 <redwizard_kde> i'm stuck on miniupnpc
 490 2011-05-14 07:33:16 <wumpus> did you use make USE_PNP=
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 492 2011-05-14 07:33:42 <wumpus> sorry, make USE_UPNP
 493 2011-05-14 07:33:45 <redwizard_kde> o
 494 2011-05-14 07:33:49 * redwizard_kde tries that
 495 2011-05-14 07:33:51 <wumpus> =
 496 2011-05-14 07:33:56 <wumpus> no value after the =
 497 2011-05-14 07:34:08 <wumpus> it's a super special trick to disable UPNP
 498 2011-05-14 07:34:35 <wumpus> or you could install the miniupnp lib but I have no idea what the package name is
 499 2011-05-14 07:34:44 <redwizard_kde> where do i put that
 500 2011-05-14 07:34:47 <redwizard_kde> erm
 501 2011-05-14 07:34:53 <wumpus> after 'make'
 502 2011-05-14 07:35:02 <redwizard_kde> make USE_UPNP -f makefile.unix
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 505 2011-05-14 07:36:25 <redwizard_kde> seems to be vaguely getting further this time
 506 2011-05-14 07:36:45 <redwizard_kde> will be interesting to see how fast this is on a quadcore with a gts 240...
 507 2011-05-14 07:36:47 <wumpus> well as long as you have the right wx crap it whould work now
 508 2011-05-14 07:37:19 <redwizard_kde> yeah i installed the widget crap
 509 2011-05-14 07:37:27 <redwizard_kde> i even installed miniupnp...
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 512 2011-05-14 07:39:11 <redwizard_kde> grr
 513 2011-05-14 07:39:20 <redwizard_kde> undefined reference to fUseUPnP
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 519 2011-05-14 07:50:48 <jazzanova> necro: bitcoind getblance "Your Address" 1 -- gives me the same as with 0
 520 2011-05-14 07:50:54 <jazzanova> sorry, wrong channel
 521 2011-05-14 07:53:43 <jazzanova> how can I see the balance on an account, counting all the unconfirmed transaction made out of this account ?
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 523 2011-05-14 07:55:12 <datathe1st> How come I cannot chat in bitcoin-market anymore?
 524 2011-05-14 07:58:04 <retinal> you should've never been able to
 525 2011-05-14 07:58:31 <retinal> (channel mode +m only allows +v/above to chat)
 526 2011-05-14 07:58:47 <retinal> and gribble is the onle one that should ever need to
 527 2011-05-14 07:59:20 <sipa> Crshman: wallet.dat contains pregenerated keys, if you copy the file to another server they will have access to the same funds
 528 2011-05-14 07:59:51 <sipa> as long as you sync them at least every 100 transactions
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 530 2011-05-14 08:01:06 <datathe1st_> hello all
 531 2011-05-14 08:01:17 <datathe1st_> can someone please explain why there is no more chatting in #bitcoin-market?
 532 2011-05-14 08:01:49 <necrodearia> http://codepad.org/un8YL9o9 I noticed bitcoin-git makefile.unix uses a mix of static and dynamic librariies and the gentoo linux ebuild makefile uses only dynamic libraries.  Is there a benefit to using static and dynamic or is it better to use all dynamic?
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 534 2011-05-14 08:02:55 <jazzanova> how can I see the balance on an account, counting all the unconfirmed transaction made out of this account ?
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 537 2011-05-14 08:09:01 <Herodes> datathe1st_: Perhaps because most vendors are not that into technology? They're more into running their business?
 538 2011-05-14 08:09:10 <Herodes> I am speaking in general.
 539 2011-05-14 08:09:33 <datathe1st_> no i mean it is impossible to chat
 540 2011-05-14 08:09:48 <datathe1st_> == Cannot send to channel: #bitcoin-market
 541 2011-05-14 08:09:50 <Herodes> Of course technology businesses are knowledgeable about IT, but think the grocery store in your local town, not likely they will pop into that channel and start talking.
 542 2011-05-14 08:09:56 <Herodes> ah...
 543 2011-05-14 08:09:57 <Herodes> ok.
 544 2011-05-14 08:10:06 <datathe1st_> I've seen you there before
 545 2011-05-14 08:10:11 <datathe1st_> you must know what I'm talking about
 546 2011-05-14 08:10:23 jazzanova has left ()
 547 2011-05-14 08:10:27 <datathe1st_> and also why does my nick have an _ on the end?
 548 2011-05-14 08:10:30 <datathe1st_> its' wierdness
 549 2011-05-14 08:10:45 <Herodes> yes, there might be something wrong with that channel.
 550 2011-05-14 08:10:52 <Herodes> ask nanotube, he might fix it.
 551 2011-05-14 08:12:16 <plato> datathe1st_: you probably dc'd and logged in twice and kept the later username
 552 2011-05-14 08:12:22 <plato> datathe1st_: just use /nick datathe1st
 553 2011-05-14 08:12:57 <plato> datathe1st_: #bitcoin-market is just for market data, trade talk is in #bitcoin-otc
 554 2011-05-14 08:13:33 <datathe1st_> plato: god I'm an idiot
 555 2011-05-14 08:13:42 <datathe1st_> I wanted to join bitcoin-otc all along
 556 2011-05-14 08:13:47 <plato> datathe1st_: lawl
 557 2011-05-14 08:13:54 <plato> well, welcome
 558 2011-05-14 08:13:57 datathe1st_ is now known as datathe1st
 559 2011-05-14 08:14:00 <plato> also consider #bitcoin-politics
 560 2011-05-14 08:14:46 plato is now known as PLATO
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 562 2011-05-14 08:16:55 <sipa> datathe1st: #bitcoin-market is for market tickers, the bot speaks, the rest listens
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 564 2011-05-14 08:24:14 <Diablo-D3> good news
 565 2011-05-14 08:24:18 <Diablo-D3> my 5850 plays portal.
 566 2011-05-14 08:24:29 * Diablo-D3 wasted about an hour and 15 minutes.
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 571 2011-05-14 08:33:11 <necrodearia> datathe1st, Fixed that for you and everyone else. ^_^
 572 2011-05-14 08:34:55 <redwizard_kde> anyone know how to fix an undefined reference to fUseUPnP
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 577 2011-05-14 08:44:55 <sipa> redwizard_kde: delete db.o
 578 2011-05-14 08:45:27 <sipa> it means you still have a db.o file from an earlier compilation that had USE_UPNP enabled
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 583 2011-05-14 08:53:28 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit I hate python
 584 2011-05-14 08:53:46 <Diablo-D3> what the hell does \x7f in python strings mean? 0x7f?
 585 2011-05-14 08:56:41 <redwizard_kde> sipa: ty
 586 2011-05-14 08:57:07 <sipa> Diablo-D3: yes
 587 2011-05-14 08:57:19 <redwizard_kde> >.<
 588 2011-05-14 08:58:31 * redwizard_kde crosses everything
 589 2011-05-14 09:00:06 <redwizard_kde> woah
 590 2011-05-14 09:00:08 <redwizard_kde> it worked
 591 2011-05-14 09:00:17 * redwizard_kde hits the start making coins button
 592 2011-05-14 09:00:25 <sipa> don't
 593 2011-05-14 09:00:27 <ArtForz> don't cross the beams!
 594 2011-05-14 09:00:41 <sipa> it's pointless and will generate you less than what it costs you in electricity
 595 2011-05-14 09:00:48 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 4000
 596 2011-05-14 09:00:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 5 years, 18 weeks, 5 days, 10 hours, 11 minutes, and 41 seconds
 597 2011-05-14 09:01:03 <sipa> ^^ it will take you something like that until you have something
 598 2011-05-14 09:01:22 <ArtForz> it causes total protonic reversal
 599 2011-05-14 09:01:31 <redwizard_kde> crikey
 600 2011-05-14 09:01:39 <redwizard_kde> what is Khps
 601 2011-05-14 09:01:53 <ArtForz> kilo hashes per second
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 603 2011-05-14 09:01:58 <redwizard_kde> ah
 604 2011-05-14 09:02:06 <sipa> a normal CPU does around 2000-4000
 605 2011-05-14 09:02:08 <redwizard_kde> ok well thats fun to know
 606 2011-05-14 09:02:12 <redwizard_kde> i have a quadcore...
 607 2011-05-14 09:02:18 <sipa> ok, maybe 6000
 608 2011-05-14 09:02:21 <redwizard_kde> theres gpu stuff out there too though right?
 609 2011-05-14 09:02:24 <ArtForz> a high-end graphics card does 750000
 610 2011-05-14 09:02:32 <redwizard_kde> or does it just use it
 611 2011-05-14 09:02:42 <redwizard_kde> if it finds it
 612 2011-05-14 09:02:43 <sipa> no it doesn't, you need special software to use the ghp
 613 2011-05-14 09:02:45 <sipa> gpu
 614 2011-05-14 09:02:47 <redwizard_kde> ah
 615 2011-05-14 09:02:49 <Diablo-D3> a high end card does over 900.
 616 2011-05-14 09:02:49 <redwizard_kde> lovely
 617 2011-05-14 09:02:50 <Diablo-D3> er
 618 2011-05-14 09:02:51 <Diablo-D3> 9000
 619 2011-05-14 09:02:52 <Diablo-D3> srsly
 620 2011-05-14 09:02:59 <sipa> so please, do not use the generate coins option in bitcoin itself
 621 2011-05-14 09:03:05 <redwizard_kde> lol
 622 2011-05-14 09:03:06 <redwizard_kde> kk
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 624 2011-05-14 09:03:12 <ArtForz> yes, 750000 was OVER 9000!!! last time I checked ;)
 625 2011-05-14 09:03:14 <sipa> it's removed in the next version, btw
 626 2011-05-14 09:03:25 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: bitcoin has basically screwed over this meme
 627 2011-05-14 09:03:25 * redwizard_kde will find a program for his gpu later
 628 2011-05-14 09:03:28 <redwizard_kde> time for work! :)
 629 2011-05-14 09:03:50 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit
 630 2011-05-14 09:03:58 <Diablo-D3> this bfi patching code is shit
 631 2011-05-14 09:04:01 <Diablo-D3> who the fuck coded this
 632 2011-05-14 09:04:21 <ArtForz> a retarded monkey with ADS?
 633 2011-05-14 09:04:32 <Diablo-D3> you missed an I there
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 635 2011-05-14 09:04:53 <ArtForz> no, I d hey, a butterfly!
 636 2011-05-14 09:04:53 <Diablo-D3> (id, a, b, c, d, e, f, offset, g, h, i, j, entrySize, count, index) = unpack('QQHHIIIIIHHHHHH', data2[:52])
 637 2011-05-14 09:04:56 <Diablo-D3> seriously, fuck you
 638 2011-05-14 09:05:04 <Herodes> Diablo-D3: so much energy you waste on negativity.
 639 2011-05-14 09:05:15 <Diablo-D3> Herodes: Im trying to implement bfi int, shut up
 640 2011-05-14 09:05:27 <ArtForz> negative is the new positive
 641 2011-05-14 09:05:32 <Herodes> when I code, I usually leave irc.
 642 2011-05-14 09:05:33 <Herodes> :)
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 644 2011-05-14 09:06:22 <Herodes> ArtForz: For Diablo it means that supernegative is the new superpositive.
 645 2011-05-14 09:06:22 <Herodes> :D
 646 2011-05-14 09:06:25 <Herodes> Hehehe.
 647 2011-05-14 09:06:32 <Diablo-D3> 45, 4C, 46
 648 2011-05-14 09:06:35 <Diablo-D3> what does that spell?
 649 2011-05-14 09:06:37 <Diablo-D3> FUCK YOU
 650 2011-05-14 09:06:38 <Herodes> Always when I hear Diablo-D3 speak, I think of my grumpy professor.
 651 2011-05-14 09:07:05 <Herodes> The interesting thing is that he's prolly serious too.
 652 2011-05-14 09:07:25 <ArtForz> nah, he just wants to play!
 653 2011-05-14 09:07:32 <Herodes> hahaha.. :)
 654 2011-05-14 09:07:56 mtrlt has joined
 655 2011-05-14 09:07:57 <lianj> Diablo-D3: i doesnt spell fuck you :P
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 657 2011-05-14 09:08:08 <Diablo-D3> it depends if you hate AMD or not
 658 2011-05-14 09:08:16 <Herodes> ArtForz: What background do you have, I have learned you are one of the top dogs when it comes to technical skills in this community. Electrical engineering? Or computer engineering?
 659 2011-05-14 09:08:22 <ArtForz> EE
 660 2011-05-14 09:08:40 <Diablo-D3> I better get fucking over 300 mhash on this
 661 2011-05-14 09:08:49 <Herodes> Ah, yes. I'd think so. That explains how you know to do the ASICs stuff. very impressive.
 662 2011-05-14 09:09:06 x5x is now known as x5x`brb
 663 2011-05-14 09:09:09 <Herodes> Diablo-D3: ah, there you said it. The lack of fucking is your problem.
 664 2011-05-14 09:09:17 <Herodes> Try it, and you'll be more calm, I promise.
 665 2011-05-14 09:09:18 <Herodes> :D
 666 2011-05-14 09:09:27 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
 667 2011-05-14 09:12:06 <ArtForz> finally got around to implementing LP support for the getwork version of my asic miner host
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 669 2011-05-14 09:13:02 <ArtForz> seems to work so far
 670 2011-05-14 09:13:54 <Diablo-D3> heh
 671 2011-05-14 09:18:53 <edcba> wtf is namecoin ?
 672 2011-05-14 09:19:23 <edcba> can you run your own nameserver ?
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 675 2011-05-14 09:37:20 <mrb_> Diablo-D3: need help for bfi_int patching?
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 677 2011-05-14 09:45:30 <Diablo-D3> I dont think poclbm is doing what it thinsk its doing
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 682 2011-05-14 09:51:38 <Diablo-D3> wait maybe it is
 683 2011-05-14 09:51:45 <Diablo-D3> its using that fucking insane python opencl wrapper shit
 684 2011-05-14 09:52:19 <molecular> is €140 a good price for a 6870?
 685 2011-05-14 09:54:03 <Diablo-D3> sounds high, honestly
 686 2011-05-14 09:54:10 <mtrlt> i can get a new one for €180.. i'd say yes
 687 2011-05-14 09:54:31 <mtrlt> but i'm finnish so my sense of value is warped
 688 2011-05-14 09:54:42 <mtrlt> (because of high taxes)
 689 2011-05-14 09:54:57 <lupine_85> (taken from #bitcoin) - what do people reckon to adding webfinger support to bitcoin? So given an address like 'nick@lupine.me.uk' to pay bitcoins to, you go to lupine.me.uk, find the config for 'nick', and extract a field telling you the bitcoin address
 690 2011-05-14 09:55:35 <lupine_85> (I think there's also support for JID-style specifications - nick@lupine.me.uk/home , /work , etc
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 692 2011-05-14 10:01:53 <BlueMatt> <luke-jr> 5d1d69453a8bc9564a40b3bb2e1f05de233e868d looks totally backward <- Huh?
 693 2011-05-14 10:02:53 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell> BlueMatt: hm. How is this usable from the CLI? I'm not catching how you'd do password entry there. <- passwords are always the first argument to commands that require a password...
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 695 2011-05-14 10:04:14 <Diablo-D3> (id, a, b, c, d, e, f, offset, g, h, i, j, entrySize, count, index) = unpack('QQHHIIIIIHHHHHH', data2[:52])
 696 2011-05-14 10:04:17 <Diablo-D3> Q = unsigned long long
 697 2011-05-14 10:04:19 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit.
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 702 2011-05-14 10:14:16 <Keefe> mrb_: you still on?
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 706 2011-05-14 10:18:40 <mrb_> Keefe: yes
 707 2011-05-14 10:19:04 <Keefe> looking at your blog post about splitting off the 12V power from a pci-e riser...
 708 2011-05-14 10:19:30 <Keefe> you're only splitting off +. what about the return path?
 709 2011-05-14 10:19:53 <Keefe> does it use the grounds of the other power connectors?
 710 2011-05-14 10:20:21 <mrb_> the return path is via the many ground lines of PCIe extender, and the many ground lines of the 24-pin ATX connector
 711 2011-05-14 10:20:26 <Keefe> or does it use other pins of the pci-e slot but your mobo had plenty of grounding so no need to split those as well?
 712 2011-05-14 10:20:33 <Keefe> ok
 713 2011-05-14 10:20:33 <ArtForz> building massive current loops is fun!
 714 2011-05-14 10:22:34 <Diablo-D3> lol
 715 2011-05-14 10:23:20 <Keefe> i was up in my attic today checking cables... the 12-2 romex feeding most of my miners, thru which about 15A is flowing, was almost too hot to hold my hand around :(
 716 2011-05-14 10:23:20 <mrb_> ?
 717 2011-05-14 10:23:44 <Keefe> at one point, where it was buried in insulation
 718 2011-05-14 10:23:56 <Keefe> where it was in open air, it was only warm
 719 2011-05-14 10:24:43 <Diablo-D3> Keefe: heh, run another line up
 720 2011-05-14 10:25:01 <Keefe> going to... but to hook up even more heaters
 721 2011-05-14 10:25:09 <Keefe> but i'll probably use 10 guage wire this time
 722 2011-05-14 10:26:23 <Diablo-D3> oh fuck you
 723 2011-05-14 10:26:27 <Keefe> my goal is 50A total
 724 2011-05-14 10:26:35 <Diablo-D3> Im trying to figure out why the fuck I cant find this shit
 725 2011-05-14 10:26:38 <Keefe> multiple circuits of course
 726 2011-05-14 10:26:40 <Diablo-D3> 			if id == 0x64010101464c457f and offset != 0:
 727 2011-05-14 10:26:52 <Diablo-D3> 6010101 + "\x7fELF"
 728 2011-05-14 10:27:12 <ArtForz> byte order?
 729 2011-05-14 10:27:13 <Diablo-D3> the fucking goddamned shitfuck starts 4 bytes AFTER WE ALREADY FOUND THE GODDAMNED FUCKING THING
 730 2011-05-14 10:27:28 <Diablo-D3> https://github.com/m0mchil/poclbm/blob/master/BitcoinMiner.py#L63
 731 2011-05-14 10:27:32 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
 732 2011-05-14 10:27:33 <Diablo-D3> YES WE KNOW ITS THERE, WE JUST FOUND IT
 733 2011-05-14 10:27:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123861 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1130 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 19 hours, 3 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 213279.54096673
 734 2011-05-14 10:28:43 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: you fail.
 735 2011-05-14 10:28:54 <Diablo-D3> dont look at me, I didnt write this fucking code
 736 2011-05-14 10:29:08 <ArtForz> the code is correct, your understanding, not.
 737 2011-05-14 10:29:28 <Diablo-D3> line 62: find the ELF signature
 738 2011-05-14 10:29:32 <ArtForz> it's looking for the *second* \x7FELF
 739 2011-05-14 10:29:35 <Diablo-D3> line 63: find the second ELF signature
 740 2011-05-14 10:29:41 <ArtForz> yep
 741 2011-05-14 10:29:51 <Diablo-D3> line 67: check if id _matches the ELF signature WE JUST FOUND IN LINE 63
 742 2011-05-14 10:30:19 <ArtForz> well, thats simply a duplicate check
 743 2011-05-14 10:30:39 <ArtForz> but yeah, checking for \x7fELF there is useless
 744 2011-05-14 10:31:27 <ArtForz> might as well read the dword at +4 and compare against 0x64010101
 745 2011-05-14 10:32:54 <Diablo-D3> well, why the fuck dont I just search for line 67 to begin with
 746 2011-05-14 10:34:43 <edcba> wait something is wrong
 747 2011-05-14 10:34:49 <edcba> ;bc,mtgox
 748 2011-05-14 10:34:55 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
 749 2011-05-14 10:34:55 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.9,"low":6.51,"vol":52021,"buy":8.5291,"sell":8.6,"last":8.52}}
 750 2011-05-14 10:35:03 <Diablo-D3> whats so wrong?
 751 2011-05-14 10:35:26 <ArtForz> seems fine
 752 2011-05-14 10:36:52 <edcba> maybe i should do a real backup of my wallet
 753 2011-05-14 10:37:04 <edcba> like buying a new hard disk lol
 754 2011-05-14 10:37:18 <BlueMatt> offline backups ftw
 755 2011-05-14 10:37:53 <edcba> how is the difficulty now ?
 756 2011-05-14 10:38:00 <BlueMatt> 150k
 757 2011-05-14 10:40:11 <BlueMatt> if witchspace gets qt up in the next couple weeks, 0.4.0 might be qt (or I suppose more likely 0.4.1/0.5 at that point)
 758 2011-05-14 10:40:22 <BlueMatt> that would be so nice
 759 2011-05-14 10:43:23 <dirtyfilthy> ;;sell 380 MTUSD at 1.029 PPUSD
 760 2011-05-14 10:43:24 <gribble> Order id 2316 created.
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 762 2011-05-14 10:44:27 <edcba> hmm so mtgox takes a fee when you sell
 763 2011-05-14 10:44:34 <edcba> mtgox must be rich now
 764 2011-05-14 10:45:00 <BlueMatt> only recently has he been making a pretty decent salart
 765 2011-05-14 10:45:05 <BlueMatt> salary*
 766 2011-05-14 10:46:25 <edcba> i still wonder how that will end
 767 2011-05-14 10:46:46 <BlueMatt> ?
 768 2011-05-14 10:47:13 <BlueMatt> though Im sure he has to shell out a pretty penny for hosting
 769 2011-05-14 10:47:25 <edcba> no i was thinking about bitcoin globally
 770 2011-05-14 10:47:45 <BlueMatt> oh, I dont think it will in the forseable future
 771 2011-05-14 10:47:59 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: erm
 772 2011-05-14 10:48:02 <Diablo-D3> this code is screwy
 773 2011-05-14 10:48:28 <Diablo-D3> does that fall through and continue even if it doesnt find the second elf?
 774 2011-05-14 10:48:29 <ArtForz> wow, really?
 775 2011-05-14 10:48:34 <edcba> also i should really try gpu mining now
 776 2011-05-14 10:48:59 <edcba> what's the easiest way when running windows ?
 777 2011-05-14 10:49:12 <Diablo-D3> edcba: probably my miner
 778 2011-05-14 10:49:15 <edcba> pooled of course
 779 2011-05-14 10:49:32 <edcba> it's the java thing ?
 780 2011-05-14 10:49:49 <Diablo-D3> yes
 781 2011-05-14 10:50:02 <edcba> damn i didn't like your code
 782 2011-05-14 10:50:11 <Diablo-D3> what, my nice superior code?
 783 2011-05-14 10:50:16 <edcba> lol
 784 2011-05-14 10:50:23 <Diablo-D3> my code thats faster than anybody else's code?
 785 2011-05-14 10:50:24 <BlueMatt> does it support BFI_INT yet?
 786 2011-05-14 10:50:34 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: what do you think Ive been swearing about the past 2 houes
 787 2011-05-14 10:50:36 <Diablo-D3> *hours
 788 2011-05-14 10:50:58 <BlueMatt> ah, well not quite faster than everyone else yet..but I suppose its close
 789 2011-05-14 10:51:16 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: well, vs phoenix with bfi off, its a huge margin
 790 2011-05-14 10:51:35 <Diablo-D3> and vs poclbm with bfi patching removed by hand, its a smaller but significant margin
 791 2011-05-14 10:52:14 <Diablo-D3> and soon as I finish hating bfi, it will be faster with bfi on.
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 793 2011-05-14 10:55:48 <edcba> hmm maybe i should sell service against bitcoins
 794 2011-05-14 10:56:08 <edcba> maybe easier to win bitcoins that way finally
 795 2011-05-14 10:56:56 <edcba> how much bitcoin(s) do you earn by day with some 5870 card ?
 796 2011-05-14 10:59:02 <Diablo-D3> sigh, dear god python sucks
 797 2011-05-14 11:03:08 <da2ce7> diablo-d3, it is supprising that there are somany python dev's in the bitcoin community.
 798 2011-05-14 11:04:04 <Diablo-D3> I dont know why anyone would program in such a horrid language
 799 2011-05-14 11:04:12 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: just hates anything thats not java so...
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 801 2011-05-14 11:05:12 <da2ce7> jave is just like .net  I think that they must have got losts of their ideas from Microsoft...
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 803 2011-05-14 11:05:17 <jazzanova> hi
 804 2011-05-14 11:05:36 <jazzanova> i'm issuing a "move" command with json-rpc and I get 500 internal server error
 805 2011-05-14 11:05:46 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: you're going to die.
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 807 2011-05-14 11:11:54 <acfrazier> ;;bc,gen 800000
 808 2011-05-14 11:11:55 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 5.11136438736 BTC per day and 0.21297351614 BTC per hour.
 809 2011-05-14 11:12:27 <molecular> da2ce7, you're trolling, right?
 810 2011-05-14 11:12:44 <da2ce7> yep... I love Jave
 811 2011-05-14 11:12:53 <molecular> thank god
 812 2011-05-14 11:13:00 <lianj> jvm is nice, but java the language? come on..
 813 2011-05-14 11:13:27 <molecular> lianj, what's wrong with it?
 814 2011-05-14 11:13:51 <lianj> not enjoyable to write in
 815 2011-05-14 11:14:06 <molecular> lianj, that's subjective ;)
 816 2011-05-14 11:14:08 * da2ce7 cannot code... so bags out anyone who dosn't program in pure haskell
 817 2011-05-14 11:14:14 <lianj> molecular: true
 818 2011-05-14 11:14:57 <da2ce7> *well can code... but don't like to do it...  I'm better at Functional Langurages
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 820 2011-05-14 11:15:40 <lianj> da2ce7: is there a bitcoin.hs?
 821 2011-05-14 11:15:45 <molecular> da2ce7, trying to write sth in a functional language make knots in my brain
 822 2011-05-14 11:15:57 <molecular> too many ((((()))))
 823 2011-05-14 11:16:11 <da2ce7> we should make a bitcoin F# impmentation...
 824 2011-05-14 11:16:21 <da2ce7> that would be both great to define the spec in...
 825 2011-05-14 11:16:23 <molecular> nah, brainfuck
 826 2011-05-14 11:16:38 <lianj> molecular: would you still enjoy writing java without an IDE? in like vim?
 827 2011-05-14 11:16:40 <da2ce7> and portable to mono
 828 2011-05-14 11:17:09 <molecular> lianj, yes. actually I do that for smaller projects... kinda dislike netbeans/eclipse
 829 2011-05-14 11:17:34 <molecular> not vim, though ;)
 830 2011-05-14 11:17:52 <lianj> hehe
 831 2011-05-14 11:17:55 <da2ce7> OO functional langurages are the way to do it...
 832 2011-05-14 11:18:16 <lianj> da2ce7: we should have lunch :D
 833 2011-05-14 11:18:23 <molecular> da2ce7, functional language always seemed to me like a mathematicians specification of how something should work
 834 2011-05-14 11:18:38 <molecular> there's no free lunch!
 835 2011-05-14 11:18:56 <acfrazier> hm
 836 2011-05-14 11:19:05 <acfrazier> on pushpool I get mysql sharelog failed at execute
 837 2011-05-14 11:19:07 <acfrazier> what does that mean.
 838 2011-05-14 11:19:15 <da2ce7> wouldn't that be usefull for bitcoin... it will be a propper mathatmatical spec of bitcoin.
 839 2011-05-14 11:19:53 <molecular> that only some people can actually read
 840 2011-05-14 11:19:53 <da2ce7> insted of translating bitcoin from C++ to everthing else... it will be From Functional to > whatever...
 841 2011-05-14 11:20:30 <da2ce7> hmmm... yeah you will have like 1% of the coders can 'get it'...
 842 2011-05-14 11:20:39 <da2ce7> and the rest will be like 'wtf'
 843 2011-05-14 11:20:54 <da2ce7> but I don't code... I get people to code for me.
 844 2011-05-14 11:21:12 <molecular> well, I always thought java was a good language for reference implementations, because _most_ people can read it
 845 2011-05-14 11:21:33 <da2ce7> yeah... java is very portable.
 846 2011-05-14 11:21:35 <molecular> and it has static typing
 847 2011-05-14 11:21:40 <da2ce7> +1 for java.
 848 2011-05-14 11:22:16 <da2ce7> once the bitcoinj is stable it shouldn't be long till we see a good c# port.
 849 2011-05-14 11:22:29 <BlueMatt> nice language, I prefer compiling to native though...though Ive never tried jgc
 850 2011-05-14 11:22:30 <molecular> da2ce7, you let people code for you? need code? have BTC?
 851 2011-05-14 11:22:36 <BlueMatt> or is it gjc?
 852 2011-05-14 11:23:07 <da2ce7> molecular, I have 100 jobs to be done.. and two few programers...
 853 2011-05-14 11:23:31 <doublec> pay them more. You might get more programmers.
 854 2011-05-14 11:24:32 <edcba> you can also read c++ easily
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 856 2011-05-14 11:24:48 <edcba> it really depends on how you use it
 857 2011-05-14 11:24:55 <molecular> edcba, no, for someone that knows, say php and python, c++ can be hellish
 858 2011-05-14 11:25:14 <edcba> the problem is for bitcoin original implementation all the serialization stuff is unreadable
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 860 2011-05-14 11:25:52 <da2ce7> doublec... my ventures need to make a proffit before I can be generous with my pay.
 861 2011-05-14 11:26:16 <edcba> chicken and egg
 862 2011-05-14 11:26:16 <lianj> the cpp and bitcoinj's tests helped me to port it :)
 863 2011-05-14 11:26:16 <da2ce7> and If I have my way... they will be very proffitable.
 864 2011-05-14 11:26:31 <sipa> BlueMatt: gcj :D
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 866 2011-05-14 11:26:53 <BlueMatt> sipa: comments on current encprivkeys?
 867 2011-05-14 11:27:18 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/941784a5bd4dc0e9da51fe7a5e0af3669949d254
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 869 2011-05-14 11:40:09 <acfrazier> so, how to fix mysql share log failed at execute.
 870 2011-05-14 11:40:13 <acfrazier> (pushpool)
 871 2011-05-14 11:40:25 <acfrazier> my schema looks right.
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 873 2011-05-14 11:42:19 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|set your schema to allow for null values
 874 2011-05-14 11:42:47 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|upstream_result and reason often have null values sent
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 878 2011-05-14 11:45:45 <acfrazier> mos|work, so just set all of them to default to null?
 879 2011-05-14 11:46:09 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|yea
 880 2011-05-14 11:47:23 <acfrazier> woot, all fixed now.
 881 2011-05-14 11:47:25 <Diablo-D3> hurray
 882 2011-05-14 11:47:28 <mos> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|:)
 883 2011-05-14 11:47:33 <Diablo-D3> Im now down to detecting the .text section
 884 2011-05-14 11:48:01 <Diablo-D3> this is motherfucking home stretch shit here
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 893 2011-05-14 12:26:19 <Diablo-D3> now it finds the instructions
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 917 2011-05-14 13:03:53 <mtrlt> but not aroused?
 918 2011-05-14 13:04:53 <Diablo-D3> bfi_int patching seems to work
 919 2011-05-14 13:05:06 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: is current git 0.3.22-rc? if yes, can we get a tag, if no, what is still missing?
 920 2011-05-14 13:05:29 <Diablo-D3> or not
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 926 2011-05-14 13:15:03 <Diablo-D3> wait
 927 2011-05-14 13:15:06 <Diablo-D3> the fuck?
 928 2011-05-14 13:15:33 <Diablo-D3> my patching process is half broke
 929 2011-05-14 13:16:05 <Diablo-D3> it repeatedly finds bads blocks...
 930 2011-05-14 13:16:12 <Diablo-D3> but finds actually fucking valid ones
 931 2011-05-14 13:23:08 <mtrlt> lol
 932 2011-05-14 13:23:10 <Diablo-D3> and if I turn -v on, the bad blocks go away, but its slow
 933 2011-05-14 13:23:11 <mtrlt> hey
 934 2011-05-14 13:23:22 <mtrlt> that's what happened to me when i was trying to optimize poclbm
 935 2011-05-14 13:23:57 <mtrlt> there was a part that didn't use the BFI_INT instruction so i changed it to do that. then i started getting both bad and valid shares. and then i got the "check hardware" error.
 936 2011-05-14 13:24:15 <Diablo-D3> my kernel is almost identical to m0's
 937 2011-05-14 13:24:20 <Diablo-D3> since we both use art's
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 939 2011-05-14 13:26:43 <mtrlt> yea but it could be related :P
 940 2011-05-14 13:27:05 <Diablo-D3> then m0's would be broken too
 941 2011-05-14 13:27:21 <mtrlt> maybe it's broken in specific circumstances
 942 2011-05-14 13:27:26 <Diablo-D3> =|
 943 2011-05-14 13:27:48 <mtrlt> :P
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 946 2011-05-14 13:48:02 <snun23> Should I buy bitcoins now? With the price jumping a few dollars a day it's killin me I didn't jump in when it was 1-$1
 947 2011-05-14 13:48:59 <eps1>   who knows
 948 2011-05-14 13:49:31 <wumpus> it keeps surprising us all
 949 2011-05-14 13:50:33 <snun23> The whole 21milion coin max is really convincing me that it's still ok to buy
 950 2011-05-14 13:51:01 <snun23> like if online casino market switches to bitcoin.... thats a lot of money being dumpped into it
 951 2011-05-14 13:51:44 <snun23> I wanted to buy some last night when it waas $7ish... now it's $8ish! lol
 952 2011-05-14 13:54:41 <acfrazier> personally I'm going to wait for the inevitable crash.
 953 2011-05-14 13:54:52 <acfrazier> then I'll buy, wait for it to go up, and then sell.
 954 2011-05-14 13:54:57 <mtrlt> lol
 955 2011-05-14 13:55:19 <acfrazier> until then, I'm minting my own.
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 957 2011-05-14 13:56:26 <snun23> I was saying that a week ago when it was 3-4 and it's just kept rising since then!
 958 2011-05-14 13:56:28 <snun23> lol
 959 2011-05-14 13:56:36 <mtrlt> yeah
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 962 2011-05-14 14:00:04 <snun23> Damn, I have to wait a few days for dwolla to add a verification to my account.  It may be a curse, it may be a blessing...
 963 2011-05-14 14:01:34 <zappa> THe last time  I had to wait for money to transfer like that was when I wired it to MtGox... that was when it went from .80 to 1.80 .....
 964 2011-05-14 14:02:51 <snun23> That's what I'm attempting to do, I'm just hoping it doesn't go above 10$ before I can get into the market
 965 2011-05-14 14:03:29 <zappa> It will probably go about 10 today!
 966 2011-05-14 14:03:41 <zappa> by the way it is going
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 968 2011-05-14 14:04:56 <snun23> for real man! I'm wondering what is causing this huge influx. There must a lot of people adopting bitcoin
 969 2011-05-14 14:05:21 <zappa> demand
 970 2011-05-14 14:05:27 <zappa> and limited supply
 971 2011-05-14 14:05:34 <zappa> just getting started really
 972 2011-05-14 14:06:47 <snun23> Any people out there sneaking paypal transactions that I could get some today with? Or did they all get shut down?
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 977 2011-05-14 14:18:42 <Diablo-D3> I think my X is screwed up
 978 2011-05-14 14:21:02 <Diablo-D3> because poclbm is doing the same shit
 979 2011-05-14 14:21:08 <Diablo-D3> AHAHAHA
 980 2011-05-14 14:21:10 <Diablo-D3> JESUS CHRIST ON A STICK
 981 2011-05-14 14:21:15 <Diablo-D3> I hit 300 mhash
 982 2011-05-14 14:21:24 <Diablo-D3> no! 301!
 983 2011-05-14 14:21:28 <Diablo-D3> FUCK YEAH
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 985 2011-05-14 14:21:54 <JFK911> are you cheating Diablo-D3
 986 2011-05-14 14:22:07 <Diablo-D3> in what way?
 987 2011-05-14 14:22:15 <JFK911> no idea :)
 988 2011-05-14 14:22:21 <JFK911> you're the genius, not me
 989 2011-05-14 14:22:35 <JFK911> except when it cames to who blame for that ssl bug
 990 2011-05-14 14:22:42 <JFK911> :P~~~~
 991 2011-05-14 14:22:43 <Diablo-D3> poclbm -w 128 -v -> 289
 992 2011-05-14 14:22:56 <Diablo-D3> mine -w 128 -v 2 -> almost 302
 993 2011-05-14 14:23:00 <JFK911> there is something interesting int he new poclbm that makes it faster
 994 2011-05-14 14:23:00 <JFK911> wow
 995 2011-05-14 14:23:08 <JFK911> i mean it is faster now than it was before
 996 2011-05-14 14:23:36 <JFK911> i have an xp box set up now.  i could try your miner again if you commit and release whatever it is you did. :)
 997 2011-05-14 14:24:55 <Diablo-D3> how the fuck do you print something in python
 998 2011-05-14 14:25:18 <Diablo-D3> wait nm
 999 2011-05-14 14:25:28 <Diablo-D3> no, wtf?
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1001 2011-05-14 14:25:42 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit I hate python
1002 2011-05-14 14:25:46 <JFK911> tru
1003 2011-05-14 14:25:52 <JFK911> but shouldnt there be an example in front of you
1004 2011-05-14 14:26:00 <Diablo-D3> m0 does weird shit in his
1005 2011-05-14 14:26:07 <JFK911> heh
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1025 2011-05-14 14:56:18 <BlueMatt> sipa: MinGW doesnt appear to have NameLookup
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1027 2011-05-14 14:56:37 <BlueMatt> wtf is NameLookup in net.cpp?
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1029 2011-05-14 14:57:01 <sipa> NameLookup? didn't i rename it to Lookup ?
1030 2011-05-14 14:57:11 <sipa> it's a function i wrote
1031 2011-05-14 14:57:17 <BlueMatt> where is it defined?
1032 2011-05-14 14:57:24 <sipa> net.cpp
1033 2011-05-14 14:57:28 <BlueMatt> its causing me build problems (probably missing a header)
1034 2011-05-14 14:57:34 <BlueMatt> huh?
1035 2011-05-14 14:57:50 <sipa> where?
1036 2011-05-14 14:58:01 <sipa> ooooh
1037 2011-05-14 14:58:11 <sipa> there's a NameLookup left
1038 2011-05-14 14:58:18 <BlueMatt> that would cause it
1039 2011-05-14 14:58:20 <sipa> it should be Lookup
1040 2011-05-14 14:59:32 <BlueMatt> also, inet_aton is causing similar problems...Im looking for the proper headers which are needed...
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1042 2011-05-14 15:00:27 <BlueMatt> hm, mingw doesnt seem to have inet_aton
1043 2011-05-14 15:00:39 <sipa> ow
1044 2011-05-14 15:00:50 <sipa> there is an alternative function, which was already used
1045 2011-05-14 15:00:56 <sipa> i'll fix that soon
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1061 2011-05-14 15:35:03 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: no -rc yet
1062 2011-05-14 15:35:37 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: what is still to do? (aside from sipa fixing the build ;) )
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1064 2011-05-14 15:36:19 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: nothing AFAIK.  The build is broken?
1065 2011-05-14 15:36:31 <BlueMatt> (on mingw, I think on linux as well)
1066 2011-05-14 15:36:40 <sipa> linux is fine
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1068 2011-05-14 15:36:43 <sethsethseth> how do i just talk to gribble without spamming the channel
1069 2011-05-14 15:36:47 <sipa> it's in the mingw specific part
1070 2011-05-14 15:36:52 <BlueMatt> sethsethseth: /msg gribble
1071 2011-05-14 15:36:57 <BlueMatt> ah, ok then just on mingw then
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1073 2011-05-14 15:38:14 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ok, then, we're waiting on a build fix for 0.3.22-rc1 :)
1074 2011-05-14 15:38:25 <BlueMatt> fair enough
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1076 2011-05-14 15:39:53 * sipa just split off wallet-related code to a separate wallet.{cpp,h}
1077 2011-05-14 15:40:10 <BlueMatt> nice...great now I have to rebase yet again
1078 2011-05-14 15:40:27 <sipa> no no, this won't be pullreq'd immediately :)
1079 2011-05-14 15:40:38 <BlueMatt> oh, ok
1080 2011-05-14 15:41:42 <sipa> but i'd like to see know how hard it is to move all wallet stuff to a separate class
1081 2011-05-14 15:41:55 <sipa> that's more involved than just moving the code
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1092 2011-05-14 15:50:12 <cosurgi> bc,poolstats
1093 2011-05-14 15:50:16 <cosurgi> ;;bc,poolstats
1094 2011-05-14 15:50:18 <gribble> {"ghashes_ps": "229.595", "shares": 40819, "active_workers": 2359, "round_duration": "0:12:48", "score": "172459.0000", "round_started": "2011-05-14 15:31:26", "shares_cdf": "22.84", "getwork_ps": 676}
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1097 2011-05-14 15:51:31 <sipa> inet_aton doesn't work on windows
1098 2011-05-14 15:51:51 <BlueMatt> according to my googleing, yea
1099 2011-05-14 15:51:56 <doublec> sipa: in Loopup in net.cpp, if pszName is empty (ie. strlen(pszName)==0) then could strrchr(psz+1,':') be hit and index past the null character?
1100 2011-05-14 15:52:11 <doublec> s/Loopup/Lookup
1101 2011-05-14 15:52:25 <doublec> I haven't looked to see if there's a way of calling that with an empty pszName though
1102 2011-05-14 15:52:44 <sipa> doublec: you're right, i believed i checked all those cases
1103 2011-05-14 15:52:48 <sipa> but i missed this one
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1105 2011-05-14 15:56:46 <forrestv> why, in the getwork response, is prev_block stored as '1a693bfcba60258e481da7e524fe91c55e921e693e8745fb400000c4e00000000'
1106 2011-05-14 15:56:55 <forrestv> is that ... a mix of little and big endian storage?
1107 2011-05-14 15:56:57 <forrestv> wtf?
1108 2011-05-14 15:57:00 <JFK911> looks like it
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1111 2011-05-14 15:59:37 <doublec> sipa: also, if pszName == ":1234" then it seems like pszColon[-1] will be hit which underruns the the psz array.
1112 2011-05-14 16:00:15 <sipa> you're very right - the host part shouldn't ever be empty
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1114 2011-05-14 16:00:27 <sipa> and that's not a problem, but it should be tested
1115 2011-05-14 16:00:38 <doublec> actually the psz[0] == '[' probably stops that
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1117 2011-05-14 16:02:22 <sipa> pszName can't be ":1234", since we only start looking for a : in the second place
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1119 2011-05-14 16:03:39 <sipa> but i've added an emptyness check
1120 2011-05-14 16:04:46 <Pinkfear> Hi there, i'm a new user, and i have a question, when i generate Bitcoin, are they credited to my account ?
1121 2011-05-14 16:04:59 <Pinkfear> (sorry for my bad englich i'm a french guy)
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1123 2011-05-14 16:05:09 <Diablo-D3> sipa: you use poclbm right?
1124 2011-05-14 16:05:32 <sipa> Diablo-D3: yes
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1126 2011-05-14 16:05:48 <Diablo-D3> ever get it bitching that theres hardware errors?
1127 2011-05-14 16:06:01 <sipa> yes, if i disable vectors
1128 2011-05-14 16:06:11 <Diablo-D3> so its not just me?
1129 2011-05-14 16:06:23 <sipa> didn't look into it further
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1131 2011-05-14 16:06:30 <sipa> but idneed, that was pretty strange
1132 2011-05-14 16:06:32 <sipa> indeed
1133 2011-05-14 16:06:47 <sipa> BlueMatt: does my current dnslookup branch compile in mingw?
1134 2011-05-14 16:06:57 <Diablo-D3> Im probably going to shut off error detection then
1135 2011-05-14 16:07:24 <doublec> sipa: yes good point about the looking for a : in the second place
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1137 2011-05-14 16:07:46 <sipa> doublec: by the way, when i told you that after difficulty 1048560 you should start checking targetF, i was wrong
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1139 2011-05-14 16:07:54 <sipa> eh, Diablo-D3
1140 2011-05-14 16:08:04 <sipa> there's a couple more bits in nbits, so it's already the case, actually
1141 2011-05-14 16:08:20 <sipa> ;;bc,hextarget
1142 2011-05-14 16:08:20 <gribble> 0000000000006A93B30000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1143 2011-05-14 16:08:47 <Diablo-D3> but I dont wanna check f :<
1144 2011-05-14 16:09:00 <sipa> but it's only an issue in less than 1/100000 of shares, i believe
1145 2011-05-14 16:09:07 <sipa> *blocks
1146 2011-05-14 16:09:14 <sipa> if you're pool mining, you won't notice
1147 2011-05-14 16:09:27 <sipa> so for now you can safely ignore it, i think :D
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1149 2011-05-14 16:10:40 <phantomcircuit> dont all the gpu miners run a secondary check on the gpu after getting a block from the gpu?
1150 2011-05-14 16:11:00 <sipa> BlueMatt: puulreq 223
1151 2011-05-14 16:11:02 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: not all
1152 2011-05-14 16:11:04 <mtrlt> i know at least poclbm does.
1153 2011-05-14 16:11:05 <Diablo-D3> mine obsessively does it
1154 2011-05-14 16:11:18 <BlueMatt> sipa: hm, Im getting an issue which appears to be on my end...
1155 2011-05-14 16:11:24 <Diablo-D3> its kind of sad
1156 2011-05-14 16:11:29 <Diablo-D3> miners are basically chasing after mine
1157 2011-05-14 16:11:34 <phantomcircuit> lol
1158 2011-05-14 16:11:41 <Diablo-D3> and Im the last to get bfi int
1159 2011-05-14 16:11:48 <mtrlt> Diablo-D3: release the bfi_int version and we'll see ;-)
1160 2011-05-14 16:11:51 <Diablo-D3> the score thus far
1161 2011-05-14 16:12:04 <sipa> BlueMatt: explain?
1162 2011-05-14 16:12:08 <Diablo-D3> phoenix vectors worksize 128 bfi = 25x
1163 2011-05-14 16:12:16 <Diablo-D3> poclbm -v -w 128 = 289
1164 2011-05-14 16:12:34 <Diablo-D3> mine -v 2 -w 128 = 301
1165 2011-05-14 16:12:48 <BlueMatt> sipa: in_addr_t not declared, probably missing a header as mingw appears to have it
1166 2011-05-14 16:13:20 <phantomcircuit> in_addr_t might be a mingw only structure
1167 2011-05-14 16:13:34 <phantomcircuit> nope nvm
1168 2011-05-14 16:13:39 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if victory has a taste
1169 2011-05-14 16:13:43 <Diablo-D3> because om nom nom nom
1170 2011-05-14 16:13:54 <phantomcircuit> lulz
1171 2011-05-14 16:14:00 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, THE TASTE OF VICTORY
1172 2011-05-14 16:14:05 <mtrlt> lol
1173 2011-05-14 16:14:46 <sipa> Diablo-D3: if you push it to github, i'll try yours
1174 2011-05-14 16:14:56 * Diablo-D3 starts benchmark hard count from 12:06
1175 2011-05-14 16:15:12 <sipa> wonder if you can beat poclbm's 383Mhash/s here
1176 2011-05-14 16:16:17 <BlueMatt> sipa: hm, grep -r -n in_addr_t /usr/i586-mingw32msvc gives me nothing...
1177 2011-05-14 16:16:25 <sipa> BlueMatt: sec
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1180 2011-05-14 16:17:11 <BlueMatt> sipa: it looks like many applications typedef it themsevles
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1182 2011-05-14 16:17:31 <sipa> blaargh
1183 2011-05-14 16:17:41 <sipa> it's an unsigned int in the old code
1184 2011-05-14 16:17:54 <JuanDaugherty> why is the dollar market cap exploding but the other currencies actually dropping?
1185 2011-05-14 16:18:05 <sipa> who in his right mind uses a numeric type of undefined length for an ip address?
1186 2011-05-14 16:18:15 <Diablo-D3> OOH
1187 2011-05-14 16:18:20 <Diablo-D3> I just saw it shift to 302
1188 2011-05-14 16:18:25 <Diablo-D3> GLORIOUS
1189 2011-05-14 16:18:26 <TD> probably a btc/dollar bubble, not enough trade in other currencies to be reflected
1190 2011-05-14 16:18:42 <phantomcircuit> JuanDaugherty, the other currencies see far less trade
1191 2011-05-14 16:19:04 <phantomcircuit> so a 50% drop in them doesn't necessarily mean very much...
1192 2011-05-14 16:20:01 <sipa> BlueMatt: try again?
1193 2011-05-14 16:20:05 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r4a71335 / (2 files in 2 dirs): BFI_INT support - http://bit.ly/kLBYZG
1194 2011-05-14 16:20:24 <Diablo-D3> and now I upload the binary
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1197 2011-05-14 16:21:59 <Diablo-D3> okay its uploaded
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1199 2011-05-14 16:23:05 <mtrlt> yay
1200 2011-05-14 16:23:10 <mtrlt> test time
1201 2011-05-14 16:24:22 <mtrlt> info("BFI_INT patching enabled, disabling hardware checking"); hmm :P
1202 2011-05-14 16:24:33 <mtrlt> you sure about that?
1203 2011-05-14 16:24:38 <Diablo-D3> does it on poclbm too
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1205 2011-05-14 16:24:48 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, so you're patching the binary representation of the kernel so make use of a better instruction basically?
1206 2011-05-14 16:24:56 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: yes
1207 2011-05-14 16:25:00 <Diablo-D3> and dear god I hate that code
1208 2011-05-14 16:25:02 <mtrlt> ah
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1210 2011-05-14 16:25:48 <JuanDaugherty> why do people think anyone should care if they "hate" or "love" something?
1211 2011-05-14 16:25:56 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, yeah if only you could modify the opencl compiler
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1213 2011-05-14 16:25:59 <Diablo-D3> JuanDaugherty: because I wrote the code?
1214 2011-05-14 16:26:18 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: no.
1215 2011-05-14 16:26:38 <JuanDaugherty> Diablo-D3, I mean't why do people say such things to others.
1216 2011-05-14 16:26:43 <JuanDaugherty> *meant
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1218 2011-05-14 16:27:05 * Diablo-D3 facepalms
1219 2011-05-14 16:27:18 <BlueMatt> sipa: it builds now...
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1222 2011-05-14 16:28:32 <phantomcircuit> JuanDaugherty, because we were talking about that code and i was clearly implying that it's an ugly hack, so he made sure to agree?
1223 2011-05-14 16:29:06 <JuanDaugherty> phantomcircuit, acknowledged.
1224 2011-05-14 16:30:35 <Diablo-D3> I retested poclbm, I think 295 is the correct answer
1225 2011-05-14 16:30:45 <Diablo-D3> it seems to vary
1226 2011-05-14 16:30:58 <Diablo-D3> I think Im just going to put down 292 down as the average
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1228 2011-05-14 16:31:08 <Diablo-D3> because it bounces between 89 and 95
1229 2011-05-14 16:31:45 <Diablo-D3> I. Win.
1230 2011-05-14 16:33:19 <BlueMatt> oh shit, the source tree reorg that was pulled also killed the mingw build...
1231 2011-05-14 16:33:58 <sipa> ?
1232 2011-05-14 16:34:39 <BlueMatt> errors with moving the rc folder
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1234 2011-05-14 16:34:48 <BlueMatt> Ill see if the makefile can be changed in a sec...
1235 2011-05-14 16:40:41 <BlueMatt> sipa: if you feel like making a commit while you are at it, makefile.mingw needs ../share/pixmaps/ in front of all the ico/bmp stuff on obj/ui_res.o and ../share/ui.rc for ui.rc
1236 2011-05-14 16:41:36 <BlueMatt> oh sorry, and ui.rc needs paths updated as well
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1249 2011-05-14 16:53:02 <sipa> BlueMatt: can you make a pull req?
1250 2011-05-14 16:53:45 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea 1 sec, my repo is all over the place trying to figure out problems so...
1251 2011-05-14 16:54:31 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Pieter Wuille master * r545a679 / src/net.cpp : bugfix in dnslookup code: didn't compile in mingw - http://bit.ly/mhq1HF
1252 2011-05-14 16:54:32 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Pieter Wuille master * rf53faff / src/net.cpp :
1253 2011-05-14 16:54:32 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Merge pull request #223 from sipa/dnslookup
1254 2011-05-14 16:54:32 <CIA-103> bitcoin: bugfix in dnslookup code: didn't compile in mingw - http://bit.ly/iXY9fN
1255 2011-05-14 16:57:04 <forrestv> is the merkle root encoded in the exact same way as the previous block's hash in getwork and the format used for hashing?
1256 2011-05-14 16:58:40 <BlueMatt> sipa: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/224
1257 2011-05-14 16:59:04 <sipa> forrestv: yes
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1262 2011-05-14 17:07:16 <luke-jr> jgarzik: the out-of-fds issue is caused by lots of CLOSE_WAIT sockets
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1265 2011-05-14 17:07:46 <forrestv> how hard would it be to implement a stub bitcoin protocol interface that only submits blocks?
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1267 2011-05-14 17:09:05 <phantomcircuit> forrestv, retty easy
1268 2011-05-14 17:09:07 <phantomcircuit> pretty*
1269 2011-05-14 17:09:40 <BlueMatt> isnt there already a network implementation
1270 2011-05-14 17:10:07 <phantomcircuit> <-- yes
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1272 2011-05-14 17:14:55 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * rbcb971f / (share/ui.rc src/makefile.mingw): Fix MinGW build due to bad pointers to ui.rc pixmaps stuff. - http://bit.ly/kavV8l
1273 2011-05-14 17:14:55 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Pieter Wuille master * rc22feee / (share/ui.rc src/makefile.mingw):
1274 2011-05-14 17:14:55 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Merge pull request #224 from TheBlueMatt/mingwbuildfix
1275 2011-05-14 17:14:55 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Fix MinGW build due to bad pointers to ui.rc pixmaps stuff. - http://bit.ly/kcCzo6
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1286 2011-05-14 17:19:56 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * re5e9853 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Improve long username handling - http://bit.ly/k3LMxN
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1292 2011-05-14 17:35:57 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: FYI, only trusted devs (core guys, you, ...) may submit *.mo translations.
1293 2011-05-14 17:36:09 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: outsiders may only submit *.po, and core dev must recompile *.mo from there
1294 2011-05-14 17:36:31 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yea I compiled the mo myself
1295 2011-05-14 17:36:42 <BlueMatt> (for the lt translation)
1296 2011-05-14 17:36:50 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: oh?  the commit is credited to someone else
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1298 2011-05-14 17:36:57 <BlueMatt> I made the commit
1299 2011-05-14 17:37:01 <BlueMatt> for someone
1300 2011-05-14 17:37:08 <BlueMatt> with git commit --author "..."
1301 2011-05-14 17:37:13 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ok, objection removed then :)
1302 2011-05-14 17:37:22 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: translations are something I'd like to pull for 0.3.22-rc1
1303 2011-05-14 17:38:15 <BlueMatt> up to you, though Id really like to go back sometime and look to see how many things are missing in translations, because Im pretty sure there are a couple
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1305 2011-05-14 17:40:02 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: you're welcome to :)
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1307 2011-05-14 17:40:53 <BlueMatt> yea, need to go back and look up what program is used to generate those files in the first place
1308 2011-05-14 17:40:56 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: FWIW, gettext autoconf macros automatically provide a build system for that.  notably, there are makefile targets to (a) update-in-place *.po with new strings, and (b) recompile .po->.mo as necessary
1309 2011-05-14 17:41:01 <BlueMatt> but Im too busy watching tv so...
1310 2011-05-14 17:41:10 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: should be somewhere in gettext / intltools pkgs
1311 2011-05-14 17:41:16 <BlueMatt> alright, will do
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1317 2011-05-14 17:46:42 <luke-jr> jgarzik: got the bug reproduced
1318 2011-05-14 17:47:05 <luke-jr> jgarzik: when you make a LP request, pushpoold stops polling for read events
1319 2011-05-14 17:47:19 <luke-jr> jgarzik: if you then make a LP request, then disconnect, pushpoold never cleans it up
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1321 2011-05-14 17:47:39 <jgarzik> luke-jr: definitely sounds like a bug
1322 2011-05-14 17:48:16 <luke-jr> only *really* a problem if blkmond is not running
1323 2011-05-14 17:48:20 <luke-jr> when it should be
1324 2011-05-14 17:49:46 <jgarzik> luke-jr: well it sounds like LP will leak requests in any case
1325 2011-05-14 17:50:04 <luke-jr> yeah
1326 2011-05-14 17:50:15 <luke-jr> I imagine if blkmond were working, they would get cleaned up on new-block
1327 2011-05-14 17:51:02 * luke-jr tests that theory :p
1328 2011-05-14 17:51:03 <draaglom> aha, that probably explains what I'm seeing
1329 2011-05-14 17:51:37 <draaglom> after an indeterminate amount of time I lose long-polling
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1331 2011-05-14 17:52:18 <luke-jr> jgarzik: is there a reason why input should ever not be polled?
1332 2011-05-14 17:52:36 <luke-jr> in my own servers, I usually always poll input
1333 2011-05-14 17:52:48 <luke-jr> at least moving the buffer to userspace, if nothing else
1334 2011-05-14 17:53:03 <jgarzik> luke-jr: if you're not processing further requests, that's awful logic.  they teach you not to do that in DoS 101.
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1336 2011-05-14 17:53:35 <jgarzik> luke-jr: you don't want to move the buffer to userspace, if you're not actually consuming the buffer.
1337 2011-05-14 17:53:35 <luke-jr> jgarzik: the application can decide "this is bs, you're fired", but leaving it in the kernel buffers seems to be asking for a DoS…
1338 2011-05-14 17:53:47 <jgarzik> luke-jr: other way around
1339 2011-05-14 17:54:07 <luke-jr> kernel buffers have a limit, and kernel can't make that "bs" call O.o
1340 2011-05-14 17:54:32 <luke-jr> I guess the kernel can slow down the sender (in theory)
1341 2011-05-14 17:54:54 <luke-jr> but I'm not sure that's a good idea unless it's a real attack, which isn't likely to obey anyway
1342 2011-05-14 17:54:58 <jgarzik> luke-jr: if you haven't yet processing request A, there is no reason to read request B.  the whole point of the kernel buffer limit is that it tells the sender to stop sending (and drops packets if it doesn't)
1343 2011-05-14 17:55:07 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ditto on the write side
1344 2011-05-14 17:55:15 <jgarzik> luke-jr: if the receiver is not listening, you should stop sending
1345 2011-05-14 17:55:27 <jgarzik> luke-jr: this is how TCP flow control works
1346 2011-05-14 17:56:00 <luke-jr> jgarzik: how to get EOF then? ;)
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1348 2011-05-14 17:57:46 <kika> which linux distro you guys recommend for bitcoin?
1349 2011-05-14 17:58:02 <kika> i mean what distro the main bitcoin developers work on to create bitcoin?
1350 2011-05-14 17:59:01 <luke-jr> kika: Gentoo is well-supported
1351 2011-05-14 17:59:20 <luke-jr> dunno what gavin/jgarzik use
1352 2011-05-14 17:59:35 <sipa> gavin uses osx, afaik :)
1353 2011-05-14 17:59:43 <sipa> i'm using ubuntu now
1354 2011-05-14 17:59:45 <luke-jr> but on Gentoo, you can just emerge pushpool bitcoin spesmilo etc
1355 2011-05-14 17:59:47 <jgarzik> luke-jr: libevent _should_ notice that, since pushpool relies on libevent's HTTP library to manage HTTP connections.  I am beginning to think that libevent is not able to (a) notice connection loss, then (b) clean up outstanding http requests
1356 2011-05-14 17:59:55 <BlueMatt> ubuntu is probably the best-supported for bitcoin building
1357 2011-05-14 18:00:04 <jgarzik> luke-jr: so the fix will involve reading libevent code, and making pushpool match up to that
1358 2011-05-14 18:00:08 <BlueMatt> (what I use for nightlies and such)
1359 2011-05-14 18:00:10 <luke-jr> jgarzik: *can* you notice that if you're not polling read?
1360 2011-05-14 18:00:42 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that's why you need a ton of manually compiled stuff, copied libraries, and static linking?
1361 2011-05-14 18:00:44 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yes, you can receive OOB events like connection close (POLLERR)
1362 2011-05-14 18:00:46 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: all of which are bad practice?
1363 2011-05-14 18:01:15 <jgarzik> luke-jr: but it might be as I fear... we must abandon libevent's http code and roll our own.  not difficult, I can steal code from tabled.  but disappointing.
1364 2011-05-14 18:01:16 <luke-jr> jgarzik: fwiw, with blkmond working, the next block fixed all the CLOSE_WAITs
1365 2011-05-14 18:01:27 <luke-jr> libevent probably doesn't like slow requests
1366 2011-05-14 18:01:28 <jgarzik> luke-jr: are you seeing blkmon problems?
1367 2011-05-14 18:01:32 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yep :(
1368 2011-05-14 18:01:44 <luke-jr> jgarzik: no, I just forgot to change my bitcoind's port
1369 2011-05-14 18:01:50 <luke-jr> or rather, I forgot the htons
1370 2011-05-14 18:01:52 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: if you have a better way to distribute bitcoin for noobs please by all means enlighten us
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1372 2011-05-14 18:02:01 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: proper packages
1373 2011-05-14 18:02:08 <luke-jr> with dynamic linking
1374 2011-05-14 18:02:09 <BlueMatt> (and no, telling people to build wx for themselves is not an option)
1375 2011-05-14 18:02:14 <BlueMatt> nor is distributing wx ourselves
1376 2011-05-14 18:02:19 <luke-jr> well, there's no sane wx solution
1377 2011-05-14 18:02:24 <jgarzik> luke-jr: that's trickle-down.  IMO we (core bit devs) should never build Linux binaries.
1378 2011-05-14 18:02:29 <BlueMatt> yea, thats why we do what we do
1379 2011-05-14 18:02:29 <luke-jr> no idea why wx client depends on unstable wx
1380 2011-05-14 18:02:35 <jgarzik> luke-jr: unicode
1381 2011-05-14 18:02:42 <luke-jr> jgarzik: old wx supports unicode
1382 2011-05-14 18:02:56 <luke-jr> 2.9 just removed ASCII-only support
1383 2011-05-14 18:03:14 <jgarzik> has anyone tried 2.8?
1384 2011-05-14 18:03:17 <jgarzik> I would love 2.8 to work.
1385 2011-05-14 18:03:20 <luke-jr> even 2.6 has Unicode support
1386 2011-05-14 18:03:21 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: I dont know, for bitcoin, because it is financial software which holds keys to money, Im not sure I want to trust regular single-maintainter for distributing it
1387 2011-05-14 18:03:24 <sipa> it doesn't compile on 2.8
1388 2011-05-14 18:03:31 <sipa> but maybe the changes aren't that bad
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1391 2011-05-14 18:03:50 <BlueMatt> well theres someone who claims to be getting close on a qt port so...
1392 2011-05-14 18:03:54 <BlueMatt> (on the forums)
1393 2011-05-14 18:03:59 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: <eye roll>  This is how GPG and other softwares are handled.  Upstream does a source release, distro has a packager that knows that OS.
1394 2011-05-14 18:04:08 <luke-jr> I personally look forward to seeing MT's QBitcoin
1395 2011-05-14 18:04:08 <jgarzik> s/other/other security software/
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1397 2011-05-14 18:04:25 <jgarzik> core devs cannot scale to N distros
1398 2011-05-14 18:04:39 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: no, I agree, I just see the problem with trust...
1399 2011-05-14 18:04:44 <sipa> and distro has packager that doesn't know the difference between a bug and a valgrind hack that disables random key generation source? ;)
1400 2011-05-14 18:04:45 <jgarzik> you simply miss security stuff that a distro packager can get right
1401 2011-05-14 18:04:47 <BlueMatt> trusting the single maintiner...
1402 2011-05-14 18:05:03 <kika> jgarzik: so you recommend me Gentoo for bitcoin
1403 2011-05-14 18:05:06 <BlueMatt> re: debian openssl random...
1404 2011-05-14 18:05:09 <jgarzik> kika: I use Fedora
1405 2011-05-14 18:05:22 <kika> jgarzik: i can install pushpool by yum?
1406 2011-05-14 18:05:49 <jgarzik> sipa: that only disables one-of-many entropy sources.  I wish openssl was always compiled in a valgrind-friendly way, and IMO it is perfectly safe to do so.
1407 2011-05-14 18:06:09 <jgarzik> kika: if your distro packages it, yes
1408 2011-05-14 18:06:28 <sipa> jgarzik: i was talking about the debian bug :)
1409 2011-05-14 18:06:41 <kika> jgarzik: so what would you recommend me to become bitcoin developer? gentoo? fedora?
1410 2011-05-14 18:06:52 <kika> jgarzik: why fedora over gentoo?
1411 2011-05-14 18:06:58 <sipa> kika: whatever you feel best with as developer
1412 2011-05-14 18:07:08 <jgarzik> kika: what sipa said
1413 2011-05-14 18:07:13 <kika> im just wondering which distro has the most updated libraries
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1415 2011-05-14 18:07:25 <kika> i would be confortable with a distro that be easy to upgrade
1416 2011-05-14 18:07:25 <BlueMatt> kika: you can probably get them all to work, just go with what you like
1417 2011-05-14 18:07:29 <luke-jr> kika: they all vary
1418 2011-05-14 18:07:33 <TD> evening chaps
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1420 2011-05-14 18:07:41 <luke-jr> Debian is easiest to upgrade IMO
1421 2011-05-14 18:07:46 <BlueMatt> kika: start at distrowatch and go from there
1422 2011-05-14 18:07:49 <BlueMatt> TD: evening
1423 2011-05-14 18:07:51 <luke-jr> Gentoo is easiest to package for
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1425 2011-05-14 18:08:09 <kika> BlueMatt: ok
1426 2011-05-14 18:08:12 <TD> bitbills looks interesting. is anyone going to buy some?
1427 2011-05-14 18:08:21 <Blitzboom> i know a lot of people did
1428 2011-05-14 18:08:21 <sipa> TD: i am, i'm curious :)
1429 2011-05-14 18:08:24 <luke-jr> TD: I would, but they're just too expensive
1430 2011-05-14 18:08:26 <Blitzboom> has anyone received them yet?
1431 2011-05-14 18:08:37 <TD> sipa: cool. gives you an incentive to really polish the key import/export functionality i guess :-)
1432 2011-05-14 18:08:41 <luke-jr> at least, considering the current level of trust
1433 2011-05-14 18:08:44 <Blitzboom> and i agree with luke-jr, with the rise of bitcoin value the price should be adjusted
1434 2011-05-14 18:09:00 <sipa> TD: well there is a pull request now :)
1435 2011-05-14 18:09:01 <kika> which distro has the most packages and best package manger?
1436 2011-05-14 18:09:03 <TD> nice
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1438 2011-05-14 18:09:12 <luke-jr> kika: they all suck. just in different ways.
1439 2011-05-14 18:09:28 <kika> luke-jr: ok so probably opensuse would be good for me
1440 2011-05-14 18:09:31 <luke-jr> kika: I personally find Gentoo easiest to deal with
1441 2011-05-14 18:09:47 <luke-jr> I haven't heard anyone here use SuSE, so you might be on your own with that
1442 2011-05-14 18:10:41 <TD> sipa: sounds like they might be kind of awkward to open though. presumably you need a penknife or so
1443 2011-05-14 18:10:52 <luke-jr> TD: scissors?
1444 2011-05-14 18:11:19 <TD> it says to cut out the square only. perhaps i don't understand how they're constructed
1445 2011-05-14 18:11:21 <sipa> TD: i'll definitely open one when i get them, to try, but keep the rest as safe offline stored :)
1446 2011-05-14 18:11:29 <sipa> storage
1447 2011-05-14 18:11:31 <TD> right
1448 2011-05-14 18:11:33 <kika> luke-jr: http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/current-iso/install-x86-minimal-20110426.iso would be bootable and okay right ?
1449 2011-05-14 18:11:46 <sipa> kika: what linux distro's do you have experience with?
1450 2011-05-14 18:12:00 <kika> sipa: centos, opensuse, debian, fedora, redhat, ubuntu
1451 2011-05-14 18:12:05 <luke-jr> kika: do you have any idea how to install Gentoo?
1452 2011-05-14 18:12:16 <kika> luke-jr: it isnt a booteable cd?
1453 2011-05-14 18:12:21 <sipa> kika: in that case i'd advise you debian or ubuntu
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1455 2011-05-14 18:12:39 <TD> interestingly they are encoding the privkey using hexadecimal instead of base58
1456 2011-05-14 18:12:48 <sipa> really?
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1459 2011-05-14 18:12:52 <kika> sipa: okay so ill try.... ubuntu
1460 2011-05-14 18:12:57 <luke-jr> TD: of course?
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1463 2011-05-14 18:13:15 <TD> the qrcodes can't be very large. the more compact your encoding the better
1464 2011-05-14 18:13:21 <TD> well i guess they are beta after all :-)
1465 2011-05-14 18:13:23 <luke-jr> kika: if you want to install gentoo, read the instructions before you try: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1
1466 2011-05-14 18:13:34 <luke-jr> TD: true
1467 2011-05-14 18:13:38 <sipa> base36 would even be better for QR codes, actually
1468 2011-05-14 18:14:02 <sipa> since base58 needs to be encoded in 8-bit mode, while base36 can be done in alphanum
1469 2011-05-14 18:15:00 <luke-jr> x-btc is looking more and more needed with Bitbills
1470 2011-05-14 18:15:01 <sipa> TD: i find it odd that they use hex if they advise to use my patch
1471 2011-05-14 18:15:09 <kika> luke-jr: too much trouble i tought it had a booteable installation like ubuntu
1472 2011-05-14 18:15:15 <kika> luke-jr: like a wizard
1473 2011-05-14 18:15:18 <BlueMatt> sipa: is that importprivkeys that bitbills is using the current one from the pull req? at least the format
1474 2011-05-14 18:15:23 <TD> sipa: maybe recommend it to the guy when you get some ?
1475 2011-05-14 18:15:26 <luke-jr> kika: nope, Gentoo isn't for novices
1476 2011-05-14 18:15:29 <TD> i guess bitbills can be upgraded to newer versions
1477 2011-05-14 18:15:33 <sipa> BlueMatt: the format didn't change between the patch and the pull req
1478 2011-05-14 18:15:40 <BlueMatt> ok
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1480 2011-05-14 18:16:05 <kika> luke-jr: so in a future ill use gentoo for now i go with other distros
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1482 2011-05-14 18:16:35 <sipa> kika: gentoo is the closest to full control but also most manual intervention you'll see in popular linux distro's, i think
1483 2011-05-14 18:16:37 <jgarzik> kika: I'd recommend debian unstable, or fedora
1484 2011-05-14 18:17:47 <BlueMatt> someone want to write something to check an address' balance to check bitbills before accepting them?
1485 2011-05-14 18:17:57 <BlueMatt> (though I suppose that would be slow as all hell)
1486 2011-05-14 18:18:02 * luke-jr prefers stable, no matter what OS
1487 2011-05-14 18:18:18 <sipa> BlueMatt: i'm now working on trying to get multiple wallets loaded simulatenously
1488 2011-05-14 18:18:19 <luke-jr> one reason I prefer Gentoo, is the ease of mixing unstable and testing into a stable install
1489 2011-05-14 18:18:35 <BlueMatt> sipa: ooo, sounds interesting
1490 2011-05-14 18:18:56 <sipa> if that exists, it's probably easy to do things like: create new temp (non-disk-backed) wallet, load privkey into it, rescan, observe, and possibly merge with real wallet
1491 2011-05-14 18:19:27 <kika> jgarzik: why unstable?
1492 2011-05-14 18:19:37 <kika> jgarzik: ill create a miner
1493 2011-05-14 18:19:50 <sipa> another one? :D
1494 2011-05-14 18:20:00 <kika> jgarzik: i want to create the more optimized miner on the planet
1495 2011-05-14 18:20:07 <sipa> for CPU?
1496 2011-05-14 18:20:12 <jlewis> lol
1497 2011-05-14 18:20:12 <kika> for both
1498 2011-05-14 18:20:17 <jlewis> THE MORE OPTIMIZED MINER ON THE PLANET
1499 2011-05-14 18:20:22 <kika> lol
1500 2011-05-14 18:20:30 <kika> my english sucks
1501 2011-05-14 18:20:37 <jlewis> no it's not so bad
1502 2011-05-14 18:20:48 <jgarzik> kika: debian unstable is pretty stable
1503 2011-05-14 18:20:48 <jlewis> 'most' is the word you were looking for though
1504 2011-05-14 18:20:53 <jgarzik> kika: it gives you fresh packages
1505 2011-05-14 18:21:03 <jgarzik> kika: debian stable is ancient :)
1506 2011-05-14 18:21:08 <jgarzik> perpetually
1507 2011-05-14 18:21:08 <kika> jgarzik: okay so ill try debian unstable
1508 2011-05-14 18:21:11 <TD> BlueMatt: you could use the block explorer for an instant lookup
1509 2011-05-14 18:21:30 <kika> jgarzik: i want a linux distro that allows me to update the packages easly for the next 10 years or so
1510 2011-05-14 18:22:11 <sipa> BlueMatt: that'd also allow you to load coins into a temp wallet, calculate its balance, and then do a tx from that wallet to your real wallet
1511 2011-05-14 18:23:51 <sipa> BlueMatt: i'm mistaken of course, because what you asked is looking up the balance of an address, not of a privkey
1512 2011-05-14 18:23:53 <luke-jr> kika: then it's only Gentoo
1513 2011-05-14 18:24:24 <kika> luke-jr: so you say gentoo is the only that can offer me that?
1514 2011-05-14 18:24:43 <luke-jr> kika: out of the major distros, considering the stable versions
1515 2011-05-14 18:24:48 <sipa> gentoo is a wonderful system, which i've really loved to use, but it really takes a lot of work to maintain
1516 2011-05-14 18:24:52 <luke-jr> even RHEL is only like 6 years
1517 2011-05-14 18:25:13 <sipa> debian unstable also continuously updates
1518 2011-05-14 18:25:20 <sipa> without releases
1519 2011-05-14 18:25:21 <kika> ill use debian unstable then
1520 2011-05-14 18:25:26 <luke-jr> sipa: that's not stable
1521 2011-05-14 18:25:33 <sipa> neither is gentoo :)
1522 2011-05-14 18:25:36 <jgarzik> gentoo is only for people who love to recompile everything -O3 -march=native :)
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1524 2011-05-14 18:25:38 <luke-jr> Gentoo stable is stable
1525 2011-05-14 18:25:39 <kika> ill use fedora
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1527 2011-05-14 18:25:50 <sipa> kika: just make up your mind!
1528 2011-05-14 18:25:52 <luke-jr> jgarzik: -march=native doesn't work for me in stable Gentoo
1529 2011-05-14 18:26:01 <kika> jgarzik uses fedora so ill use fedora, i admire jgarzik :)
1530 2011-05-14 18:26:02 <jgarzik> luke-jr: another reason not to use gentoo :)
1531 2011-05-14 18:26:11 <jgarzik> kika: I'm an asshole don't admire me
1532 2011-05-14 18:26:12 <luke-jr> jgarzik: neither does any other OS afaik
1533 2011-05-14 18:26:23 * jgarzik <-- not a role model
1534 2011-05-14 18:26:27 <kika> lol
1535 2011-05-14 18:26:31 <luke-jr> jgarzik: btw, why doesn't Linux delete and null-route files that are only open for write-only?
1536 2011-05-14 18:26:39 <sipa> jgarzik: you forgot -fomit-broken-code -moptimize-away-required-code
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1538 2011-05-14 18:30:48 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ?
1539 2011-05-14 18:31:09 <jgarzik> luke-jr: -march=native works great in Fedora.  It helps to employ a bunch of gcc folks :)
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1541 2011-05-14 18:33:08 <luke-jr> jgarzik: not on my CPU
1542 2011-05-14 18:34:16 <luke-jr> it requires 4.6+
1543 2011-05-14 18:34:58 <jgarzik> luke-jr: that's what F15 ships
1544 2011-05-14 18:35:04 <luke-jr> oh?
1545 2011-05-14 18:35:07 <luke-jr> is that stable?
1546 2011-05-14 18:35:17 <jgarzik> luke-jr: release candidate
1547 2011-05-14 18:37:10 <luke-jr> how's that work, given that lots of stuff still breaks with 4.6?
1548 2011-05-14 18:37:45 <luke-jr> actully, the list doesn't look too bad…
1549 2011-05-14 18:37:59 <luke-jr> is 4.6 output binary compatible with 4.4⁇
1550 2011-05-14 18:40:14 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ABI is, yes
1551 2011-05-14 18:40:32 <jgarzik> luke-jr: but if you're using -march=native, you cannot ship to another computer
1552 2011-05-14 18:40:41 <luke-jr> of course
1553 2011-05-14 18:40:42 <jgarzik> of a different CPU type
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1555 2011-05-14 18:41:47 <luke-jr> maybe I'll try it out
1556 2011-05-14 18:42:11 <luke-jr> jgarzik: any way to get Linux to build using march=native or corei7-avx yet?
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1565 2011-05-14 18:54:52 <jgarzik> TD: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Alternative_Chains is good stuff, thanks
1566 2011-05-14 18:55:04 <TD> no problem, thanks for the feedback.
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1568 2011-05-14 18:55:06 <jlewis> is good  stuff, thanks
1569 2011-05-14 18:55:06 <jlewis> 13:49 < TD> no problem, thanks for the feedback.
1570 2011-05-14 18:55:10 <jlewis> erps, sorry
1571 2011-05-14 18:55:17 <TD> now i'm working on some stuff about distributed contracts
1572 2011-05-14 18:55:17 <jlewis> rogue mouse
1573 2011-05-14 18:55:34 <TD> to summarise discussions with satoshi about that
1574 2011-05-14 18:56:00 <BlueMatt> TD: I know, but I'd like to see it in mainline client...though I suppose there is no good way to do that so...
1575 2011-05-14 18:56:27 <TD> well, i think indexing every address can be done, but i guess it'd have to be off by default as that could be very expensive
1576 2011-05-14 18:56:35 <TD> i guess blockexplorer type services are the way to go there
1577 2011-05-14 18:57:22 <BlueMatt> yea, pretty much
1578 2011-05-14 18:57:38 <phantomcircuit> well it's not necessarily very expensive
1579 2011-05-14 18:57:58 <BlueMatt> either way it means storing more data, which is the opposite of what we want to do atm
1580 2011-05-14 18:58:16 <phantomcircuit> true
1581 2011-05-14 18:59:26 <sipa> TD, BlueMatt: i think these physical-bitcoin-like-things should include the txid (and maybe even merkle branch) of the tx that credited them
1582 2011-05-14 18:59:38 <TD> you can find that out from the address
1583 2011-05-14 18:59:43 <sipa> of course
1584 2011-05-14 18:59:44 <TD> block explorer saves the day again
1585 2011-05-14 18:59:47 <BlueMatt> thats a good idea, makes searching quicker
1586 2011-05-14 18:59:55 <sipa> but it needs a scan of the full block chain
1587 2011-05-14 19:00:04 <sipa> or a database of course
1588 2011-05-14 19:00:22 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, but its still quicker than searching by address...or actually I suppose its not because you still have to search till the end for spends of the tx
1589 2011-05-14 19:00:27 <BlueMatt> meh, just use BBE
1590 2011-05-14 19:00:36 <TD> yeah. i think the way to go is have 2 qrcodes
1591 2011-05-14 19:00:41 <sipa> indeed
1592 2011-05-14 19:00:42 <TD> one is the public key holding the coins
1593 2011-05-14 19:00:54 <BlueMatt> TD: they do, on the back
1594 2011-05-14 19:00:54 <TD> one is a public form of a key held by BitBills
1595 2011-05-14 19:01:04 <TD> scanning that lets you challenge BitBills and verify it's legit
1596 2011-05-14 19:01:16 <TD> it's not as fast as glancing at a hologram but it can still be done with a simple mobile app
1597 2011-05-14 19:01:42 <TD> so you can prove both that the coins are still there, and that it's a legitimate card
1598 2011-05-14 19:01:52 <TD> all these qrcodes get ugly though
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1600 2011-05-14 19:02:51 <phantomcircuit> not to mention one big enough to store a private key is.. big
1601 2011-05-14 19:03:12 <TD> no private keys
1602 2011-05-14 19:03:14 <TD> just public keys
1603 2011-05-14 19:03:19 <TD> oh, right
1604 2011-05-14 19:03:22 <TD> you mean the one inside the card itself
1605 2011-05-14 19:03:27 <phantomcircuit> yeah
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1607 2011-05-14 19:03:58 <phantomcircuit> TD, you're talking scratch off's right
1608 2011-05-14 19:04:09 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: bitbills
1609 2011-05-14 19:04:11 <BlueMatt> so, yea
1610 2011-05-14 19:04:39 <sipa> does anyone understand what that Solver is, that is called for example in script.cpp's ExtractHash160?
1611 2011-05-14 19:04:55 <sipa> it's passed only 2 arguments
1612 2011-05-14 19:04:55 <TD> it's a pattern matcher
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1614 2011-05-14 19:05:15 <sipa> yes yes
1615 2011-05-14 19:05:22 <sipa> i mean, literally, which function
1616 2011-05-14 19:05:36 <sipa> there is a definition for a function with 3 arguments, and one with 4
1617 2011-05-14 19:05:38 <sipa> oh wait
1618 2011-05-14 19:05:53 <BlueMatt> bool Solver(const CScript& scriptPubKey, vector<pair<opcodetype, valtype> >& vSolutionRet)
1619 2011-05-14 19:05:56 <BlueMatt> 2 args
1620 2011-05-14 19:05:59 <TD> line 962(ish)
1621 2011-05-14 19:06:12 <sipa> my god
1622 2011-05-14 19:06:16 * sipa hides
1623 2011-05-14 19:06:30 <phantomcircuit> sipa, that's not even that bad
1624 2011-05-14 19:06:33 * BlueMatt does that on such a regular basis, he gave up on the hiding part and just moves on
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1626 2011-05-14 19:07:06 <phantomcircuit> argh why do people still use svn
1627 2011-05-14 19:07:07 <TD> it's not like it's an easy file to navigate
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1631 2011-05-14 19:08:31 <sipa> most confusing thing is IsMine, which is both a top-level function in script.cpp, and a member function in TxOut and Transaction
1632 2011-05-14 19:09:04 <phantomcircuit> lol
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1634 2011-05-14 19:09:21 <jgarzik> C++ is so powerful... that it encourages people to use every feature, which is almost always a mistake :)
1635 2011-05-14 19:09:23 <TD> phantomcircuit: which project are you thinking of ?
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1637 2011-05-14 19:09:44 <phantomcircuit> TD, still using svn? http://802.11ninja.net/
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1639 2011-05-14 19:10:16 <jlewis> oh, i was wondering, has anyone made any effort at all to remove the globally included header.h? i looked at it briefly and there's a lot of room for optimization there.. compilations would become a whole lot faster
1640 2011-05-14 19:10:22 <jlewis> headers.h i mean
1641 2011-05-14 19:10:53 <jlewis> like, every single file includes all of the xpm headers..
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1644 2011-05-14 19:11:35 <jlewis> i could clean things up and submit a pull request if there's interest
1645 2011-05-14 19:12:04 * sipa is interested
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1647 2011-05-14 19:12:23 <sipa> there have been earlier attempts though
1648 2011-05-14 19:12:42 <sipa> but those changed pretty much everything
1649 2011-05-14 19:13:25 <jlewis> well, i wouldn't go for restructuring, because everyone hates those kinds of patches
1650 2011-05-14 19:13:29 <jlewis> just paring down
1651 2011-05-14 19:14:09 <jgarzik> small, focused patches are good
1652 2011-05-14 19:14:22 <jgarzik> one tiny change, across N files
1653 2011-05-14 19:14:41 <sipa> ok next question: ExtractPubKey in script.cpp, in the OP_PUBKEYHASH case, it hashes the pubkey, looks it up in mapPubKeys, and returns the found pubkey?
1654 2011-05-14 19:14:56 <sipa> again, never mind, misread
1655 2011-05-14 19:15:14 <sipa> it starts from the hash
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1657 2011-05-14 19:18:10 <BlueMatt> jlewis: Im very interested, I hate having my entire branch recompile if I change a header file
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1666 2011-05-14 19:32:52 <BlueMatt> Im thinking of setting up a bitcoin buildbot...what do people think? build nightlies automatically and maybe even do some basic regression testing on each new patch (at a minimum check that the build didnt break)
1667 2011-05-14 19:33:27 <jlewis> sounds awesome - i think people have been looking for that for a long time
1668 2011-05-14 19:33:43 <BlueMatt> it seems like bitcoin build fails happen too often
1669 2011-05-14 19:33:46 <jlewis> yes
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1675 2011-05-14 19:38:25 <LanceRushing> bc,calc 600000
1676 2011-05-14 19:38:28 <LanceRushing> oops
1677 2011-05-14 19:38:33 <LanceRushing> ;;bc,calc 600000
1678 2011-05-14 19:38:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 week, 6 days, 1 hour, 1 minute, and 40 seconds
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1682 2011-05-14 19:42:24 <jlewis> so i think the main compilation bottleneck is that everyone includes main.h, which has all of the implementations of the CFoo classes (COutPoint, CInPoint, CWalletTx, etc) - i think if we broke out the implementations from the header file and just left the declarations the compile would speed up a ton
1683 2011-05-14 19:42:30 <acfrazier> ;;bc,calc 800000
1684 2011-05-14 19:42:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 46 minutes, and 15 seconds
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1686 2011-05-14 19:43:26 <EPiSKiNG> ;;convert 7.6 CAD to USD
1687 2011-05-14 19:43:26 <gribble> Error: CAD is not a valid unit.
1688 2011-05-14 19:43:35 <EPiSKiNG> ;;convert hrm
1689 2011-05-14 19:43:35 <gribble> (convert [<number>] <unit> to <other unit>) -- Converts from <unit> to <other unit>. If number isn't given, it defaults to 1. For unit information, see 'units' command.
1690 2011-05-14 19:43:36 <ArtForzZz> ROFL
1691 2011-05-14 19:44:16 <BlueMatt> ?
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1694 2011-05-14 19:45:53 <jlewis> oh, but there are templated member functions in all of them. now i understand -_-
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1708 2011-05-14 19:57:16 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: nope, I cant poclbm any faster
1709 2011-05-14 19:57:53 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: so even if its supposed to be 305
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1711 2011-05-14 19:57:58 <LanceRushing> ;;bc,calc 400000
1712 2011-05-14 19:57:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 2 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 32 minutes, and 31 seconds
1713 2011-05-14 19:57:59 <Diablo-D3> imagine what mine would be
1714 2011-05-14 19:58:05 <Diablo-D3> it'd be like 315
1715 2011-05-14 19:59:02 <LanceRushing> Anyone have a URL on how how the bot calculates block return based on hash rate?  (or the source code to the bot?)
1716 2011-05-14 19:59:08 <LanceRushing> Trying to make a spread sheet.
1717 2011-05-14 20:00:04 <jrabbit> http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_ec169697-a19e-525f-a532-81b3df229697.html
1718 2011-05-14 20:00:07 <jrabbit> anyone see this ;_;
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1732 2011-05-14 20:16:13 <BlueMatt> sipa: who is sven again? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a07dca7cd2012dd26af73facfee381aedcb9cc0e
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1736 2011-05-14 20:16:28 <BlueMatt> nvm
1737 2011-05-14 20:16:28 <LanceRushing> ;;bc,stas
1738 2011-05-14 20:16:28 <gribble> Error: "bc,stas" is not a valid command.
1739 2011-05-14 20:16:40 <LanceRushing> ;;bc,stats
1740 2011-05-14 20:16:41 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123964 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1027 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 3 hours, 31 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 218318.12854321
1741 2011-05-14 20:16:56 <mookey> hiya, any able to assist me with getting an Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT  working for GPU mining in a pool?  Have latest driver installed CUDA installed but can't connect to mining pool.  Get error: ImportError:  DLL load failed:  The specified procedure could not be found.  using poclbm
1742 2011-05-14 20:17:12 <LanceRushing> ;;bc,calcd 400000 218318.12854321
1743 2011-05-14 20:17:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 218318.12854321, is 3 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 9 minutes, and 33 seconds
1744 2011-05-14 20:17:23 <sipa> BlueMatt: joepie92
1745 2011-05-14 20:17:26 <sipa> i believe
1746 2011-05-14 20:17:28 <BlueMatt> yea, it is
1747 2011-05-14 20:17:34 <BlueMatt> I just went back and figured that out
1748 2011-05-14 20:17:50 <edcba> jrabbit: of course you don't have the right it's justice job
1749 2011-05-14 20:18:41 <jrabbit> edcba: this is a blatant nullification of the intent of the 4th amendment.
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1752 2011-05-14 20:18:57 <jrabbit> I'm not a constiution thumper... but this is retarded
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1754 2011-05-14 20:19:47 <thedrs> hi all
1755 2011-05-14 20:19:53 <BlueMatt> hello thedrs
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1757 2011-05-14 20:20:42 <thedrs> ;;bc,gen 375000
1758 2011-05-14 20:20:44 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 375000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 2.39595205657 BTC per day and 0.0998313356906 BTC per hour.
1759 2011-05-14 20:22:15 <thedrs> ;;bc,mtgox
1760 2011-05-14 20:22:15 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.9,"low":7.4,"vol":43895,"buy":8.0501,"sell":8.3,"last":8.3}}
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1762 2011-05-14 20:23:18 <TD> anyone here watching the eurovision?
1763 2011-05-14 20:23:31 <BlueMatt> its downstairs...all the way downstairs
1764 2011-05-14 20:23:46 <TD> what the heck was moldova???
1765 2011-05-14 20:23:55 <TD> pretty amazing. they're definitely my number one vote so far.
1766 2011-05-14 20:24:07 <sipa> hmm, url?
1767 2011-05-14 20:24:11 <BlueMatt> sipa: on tv
1768 2011-05-14 20:24:25 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
1769 2011-05-14 20:24:25 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.9,"low":7.4,"vol":43867,"buy":8.0501,"sell":8.3,"last":8.3}}
1770 2011-05-14 20:24:38 <sipa> BlueMatt: without dvb-t receiver, tv:// doesn't work here :p
1771 2011-05-14 20:24:55 <BlueMatt> well that would be a problem
1772 2011-05-14 20:27:24 <TD> it was a heavy rock song where all the performers were wearing enormous conical hats
1773 2011-05-14 20:27:28 <TD> and one of them was on a unicycle
1774 2011-05-14 20:27:31 <TD> very energetic :)
1775 2011-05-14 20:28:05 <BlueMatt> the last time I watched it, 90% of them sucked, and the votes were just an exercise in european politics/history
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1777 2011-05-14 20:29:29 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, lulz truth
1778 2011-05-14 20:29:48 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, fixing the header mess is going to be harder than it looks
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1780 2011-05-14 20:31:22 <BlueMatt> sipa: http://www.eurovision.tv/esctv/main?program=24953
1781 2011-05-14 20:32:06 <bencoder> moldova or estonia so far :)
1782 2011-05-14 20:32:37 <bencoder> I'm sure eurovision used to be a lot sillyer and more fun
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1788 2011-05-14 20:37:01 <BlueMatt> god, I have to say, half of these people can hardly sing on tune, let alone represent their countr
1789 2011-05-14 20:37:02 <BlueMatt> y
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1792 2011-05-14 20:39:21 <bitjet> is it possible to copy the blockcahin from another install?
1793 2011-05-14 20:39:25 <sipa> yes
1794 2011-05-14 20:39:32 <BlueMatt> bitjet: yep, just copy blk*
1795 2011-05-14 20:39:34 <bitjet> cool, now how do i do it?
1796 2011-05-14 20:39:40 <bitjet> oh
1797 2011-05-14 20:39:43 <BlueMatt> blk* from bitcoin datadir
1798 2011-05-14 20:40:03 <sipa> 0.3.21 will even automatically rescan your wallet
1799 2011-05-14 20:40:23 <bitjet> in windows is the data in the prog directory?
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1801 2011-05-14 20:40:37 <sipa> it's in appdata
1802 2011-05-14 20:40:45 <sipa> not sure where that is in post-win98
1803 2011-05-14 20:40:58 <bitjet> there should really be an option to download blockchain from a server (or moany mirrors) inthe client to speed up the process for new installs
1804 2011-05-14 20:41:09 <bitjet> thanks sipp
1805 2011-05-14 20:41:10 <sipa> problem is that downloading isn't the issue
1806 2011-05-14 20:41:17 <sipa> connecting and verifying it is
1807 2011-05-14 20:41:38 <sipa> connecting takes way too long, but can be resolved using some addnodes in the config file eg
1808 2011-05-14 20:42:36 <phantomcircuit> sipa, well to be fair the problem is largely the latency
1809 2011-05-14 20:43:01 <sipa> ?
1810 2011-05-14 20:43:01 <phantomcircuit> sipa, you cant download more than 500 blocks at a time, since you have to know the last block to request the next 500 blocks
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1812 2011-05-14 20:43:17 <sipa> but downloading takes almost no time, compared to veryfing it
1813 2011-05-14 20:43:19 <sipa> verifying
1814 2011-05-14 20:43:27 <phantomcircuit> that's not really true
1815 2011-05-14 20:43:28 <bitjet> ahh
1816 2011-05-14 20:43:28 <sipa> at least when connected to a fast node
1817 2011-05-14 20:43:52 <phantomcircuit> sipa, to download a block takes several exchanges
1818 2011-05-14 20:44:00 <sipa> yes that is true
1819 2011-05-14 20:44:06 <sipa> but still, it is fast
1820 2011-05-14 20:44:32 <sipa> i'm not saying there aren't improvements possible to the downloading
1821 2011-05-14 20:44:38 <sipa> but it's not the main problem, imho
1822 2011-05-14 20:46:05 <phantomcircuit> well for starters transaction verification/block verification shouldnt be required to put the block/transaction into the block chain
1823 2011-05-14 20:46:21 <phantomcircuit> but obviously that would require a significant number of modifications so... oh well
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1828 2011-05-14 20:53:52 <bitjet> ;;gpg eregister
1829 2011-05-14 20:54:06 <bitjet> rrr
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1842 2011-05-14 21:22:31 <sipa> BlueMattBot: you turned into a bot?
1843 2011-05-14 21:22:43 <BlueMattBot> sipa: Im registering a bot for jenkins building
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1845 2011-05-14 21:22:54 <sipa> jenkins?
1846 2011-05-14 21:23:04 <BlueMattBot> buildbot alternative
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1849 2011-05-14 21:23:41 <gribble> (gpg eregister <nick> <keyid> [<keyserver>]) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. Optional <keyserver> argument tells us where to get your public key. By default we look on pgp.mit.edu and pgp.surfnet.nl. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your (1 more message)
1850 2011-05-14 21:23:51 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1851 2011-05-14 21:25:00 <gribble> 123971
1852 2011-05-14 21:25:42 <phantomcircuit> anybody else think the current buy/sell ratio on mtgox is a bit troubling?
1853 2011-05-14 21:26:09 <ArtForzZz> no, not really
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1862 2011-05-14 21:32:54 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZz, k
1863 2011-05-14 21:32:59 <ArtForzZz> a few sellers selling down the book taking out a large chunk of bids, not the first time this happened
1864 2011-05-14 21:33:15 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZz, im predicting a market reordering in the next few days
1865 2011-05-14 21:33:55 <ArtForzZz> a what?
1866 2011-05-14 21:34:24 <jrmithdobbs> readjustment
1867 2011-05-14 21:34:37 <sipa> which, in practice, means?
1868 2011-05-14 21:34:43 <jrmithdobbs> aka price drop
1869 2011-05-14 21:35:29 <ArtForzZz> yeah
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1871 2011-05-14 21:35:55 <jrmithdobbs> same, i sort of hope it takes a couple weeks to happen though
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1873 2011-05-14 21:36:26 <jrmithdobbs> i cashed enough out at the 8 price point that it doesn't really matter to me at this point, lol
1874 2011-05-14 21:36:30 <ArtForzZz> I wouldnt be surprised to see a drop to < $5 before the next rally
1875 2011-05-14 21:36:46 * jrmithdobbs part of the problem :(
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1883 2011-05-14 21:43:28 <vorlov> would a 1200W PSU handle two 5970s?
1884 2011-05-14 21:44:11 <jrmithdobbs> easy
1885 2011-05-14 21:44:19 <jrmithdobbs> way overkill
1886 2011-05-14 21:44:21 <taco_the_paco> imo it should vorlov
1887 2011-05-14 21:44:33 <vorlov> taco_the_paco: thanks!
1888 2011-05-14 21:44:35 <sipa> we do 2x 5970 on a 850W PSU
1889 2011-05-14 21:44:44 <sipa> but there is a *lot* of difference between PSU's
1890 2011-05-14 21:44:52 <vorlov> sipa: really? which PSU do u use for that?
1891 2011-05-14 21:44:54 <jrmithdobbs> and it depends on the draw of the board/cpu a bit
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1893 2011-05-14 21:44:57 <jrmithdobbs> not too much
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1895 2011-05-14 21:45:04 <sipa> vorlov: corsair 850w tx
1896 2011-05-14 21:45:19 <jrmithdobbs> ya if you're trying to run off one psu it is NOT the place to cheap out in the rig
1897 2011-05-14 21:45:33 <vorlov> looks like a bargain price on it
1898 2011-05-14 21:45:50 <vorlov> sipa: how does one know if the PSU is not enough? will the cards not power up?
1899 2011-05-14 21:46:01 <jrmithdobbs> what's watt/card on 5970s again? i forget
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1901 2011-05-14 21:46:11 <sipa> vorlov: you'll know :D
1902 2011-05-14 21:46:13 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: bad things will happen at load
1903 2011-05-14 21:46:16 <jrmithdobbs> heh
1904 2011-05-14 21:46:29 <jrmithdobbs> they may still power enough to init tho
1905 2011-05-14 21:46:30 <vorlov> sipa: well i'd like to not find the hard way... as in buring one of my cards
1906 2011-05-14 21:46:40 <sipa> you won't burn them
1907 2011-05-14 21:46:47 <vorlov> or ruin them... /
1908 2011-05-14 21:46:48 <vorlov> ?
1909 2011-05-14 21:46:51 <jrmithdobbs> nah you'll just underpower them and the shit wont work
1910 2011-05-14 21:46:55 <sipa> they have a red led that will light up if they don't get enough power
1911 2011-05-14 21:47:20 <vorlov> okay thanks guys :)
1912 2011-05-14 21:47:26 <vorlov> im trying to put togehter a system and order it
1913 2011-05-14 21:48:04 <vorlov> anyone has any experience with ASRock mobo?
1914 2011-05-14 21:48:13 <BlueMatt> yuck
1915 2011-05-14 21:48:20 <ArtForzZz> eww
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1917 2011-05-14 21:48:24 <jrmithdobbs> ya that is the OTHER place not to cheap out
1918 2011-05-14 21:48:35 <jrmithdobbs> unless you like fiddling with jumpering slots with wires, lol
1919 2011-05-14 21:48:42 <Big_Brother> how do i setup the bitcoin.conf to use 2 miners?
1920 2011-05-14 21:48:49 <sipa> you don't
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1922 2011-05-14 21:48:54 <sipa> you do not mine with bitcoidn
1923 2011-05-14 21:49:27 <Big_Brother> sipa: bitcoin doesn't normally have a bitcoin.conf file. get thinking. :)
1924 2011-05-14 21:49:43 <sipa> Big_Brother: relevance?
1925 2011-05-14 21:49:47 <jrmithdobbs> huh
1926 2011-05-14 21:50:09 <sipa> vorlov: one tip: many so-called crossfire-ready mobo's do not support a dual-GPU in the second slot when there is already a dual-GPU one in the first slot
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1928 2011-05-14 21:50:36 <vorlov> okay so lets make it simple... what decently priced mobo would u recomend that can handle 2 5970s?
1929 2011-05-14 21:50:44 <vorlov> or a 5970 and a 5870 combination together
1930 2011-05-14 21:51:06 * ArtForzZz likes the msi 870-g45
1931 2011-05-14 21:51:15 <bli> hey, can someone help? ive sent 400 BTC to 112mGREXHnMc1HkbJzND6Hi4KayRe1oVQB and it doesnt show up on bitcoincharts, although its been seven blocks now
1932 2011-05-14 21:51:17 <BlueMatt> now I just need the build to fail to test if the bot is working
1933 2011-05-14 21:51:18 <jrmithdobbs> pretty happy with the newer gigabyte boards too
1934 2011-05-14 21:51:34 <jrmithdobbs> (intel based ones)
1935 2011-05-14 21:51:41 <bli> im using 0.3.2
1936 2011-05-14 21:52:08 <jrmithdobbs> except the usb3 stuff freaks out debian-installer if turned on, ha
1937 2011-05-14 21:52:12 <bli> will the tx propagate eventually? how can i enforce it?
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1939 2011-05-14 21:53:03 <vorlov> any other mobo suggestions? tho msi 870-g45 looks slick!!!!
1940 2011-05-14 21:53:18 <jrmithdobbs> bli: probably, you probably were just connected to other nodes that are on slow links, wait a bit
1941 2011-05-14 21:53:30 <BlueMatt> bli: why are you on 0.3.2?
1942 2011-05-14 21:53:32 <ArtForzZz> running dual 5870s and 5970s on 6 of em
1943 2011-05-14 21:53:40 <ArtForzZz> sempron 140, 1G DDR3
1944 2011-05-14 21:53:44 <bli> because i havent upgraded yet
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1946 2011-05-14 21:53:53 <bli> anything i can do besides waiting?
1947 2011-05-14 21:53:59 <sipa> no
1948 2011-05-14 21:54:07 <bli> ok. ETA?
1949 2011-05-14 21:54:08 <jrmithdobbs> oh did you submit it with no fee?
1950 2011-05-14 21:54:17 <vorlov> ArtForzZz: im just curious - why do u like the MSI? any particular reason?
1951 2011-05-14 21:54:27 <bli> it didnt ask for any fee
1952 2011-05-14 21:54:32 <bli> so no
1953 2011-05-14 21:54:36 <ArtForzZz> nice slot spacing, it works, it's cheap
1954 2011-05-14 21:55:05 <BlueMatt> bli: just wait, it will happen
1955 2011-05-14 21:55:18 <bli> how often does the node propagate transactions exactly?
1956 2011-05-14 21:55:27 <vorlov> nice
1957 2011-05-14 21:55:28 <BlueMatt> (though maybe upgrade your client, as I dont know when the node resends txes that far back)
1958 2011-05-14 21:55:28 <bli> in what interval
1959 2011-05-14 21:55:30 <vorlov> im sold
1960 2011-05-14 21:55:37 <sipa> +- 15 minutes or so
1961 2011-05-14 21:55:39 <BlueMatt> bli: its random to keep it fairly anonymous
1962 2011-05-14 21:55:53 <vorlov> what about a case... any suggestions? or just about anything
1963 2011-05-14 21:55:54 <bli> ok, ill ugrade
1964 2011-05-14 21:55:59 <bli> thanks
1965 2011-05-14 21:56:05 <BlueMatt> backup your wallet first ;)
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1967 2011-05-14 21:56:22 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: you're going to have to experiment with that one
1968 2011-05-14 21:56:29 <ArtForzZz> that tx isnt in my tx cache...
1969 2011-05-14 21:56:44 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: all depends on your cooling situation and such
1970 2011-05-14 21:56:51 * xelister murders ArtForzZz
1971 2011-05-14 21:57:02 <xelister> wow Im glad that is over.  AND! we found porn in ArtForzZz's hideout.
1972 2011-05-14 21:57:04 <sipa> vorlov: if you double click on that tx, what does it tell you?
1973 2011-05-14 21:57:09 <vorlov> for now its gonna be normal fans.... no water cooling
1974 2011-05-14 21:57:19 <sipa> oh, bli
1975 2011-05-14 21:57:22 <ArtForzZz> so it either never sent it, or it's so oversized that no node will propagate it
1976 2011-05-14 21:57:25 <vorlov> sipa: huh?
1977 2011-05-14 21:57:26 <sipa> it should tell you to how many nodes it was sent
1978 2011-05-14 21:57:33 <sipa> vorlov: was meant for bli
1979 2011-05-14 21:57:37 <vorlov> ok
1980 2011-05-14 21:57:43 <sipa> your nicks are so alike!
1981 2011-05-14 21:57:45 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZz: ya seems like it'd be big without a fee
1982 2011-05-14 21:57:52 <jrmithdobbs> err to be without a fee
1983 2011-05-14 21:57:56 <bli> sipa: nothing like that info there
1984 2011-05-14 21:58:14 <sipa> status: 0 confirmations?
1985 2011-05-14 21:58:21 <bli> sipa: yes
1986 2011-05-14 21:59:07 <bli> ii hope im not going to lose those bitcoins in nirvana ... ?
1987 2011-05-14 21:59:31 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: eg, i run 4x5850s off a 750w but the rest of the machine is designed to make that possible
1988 2011-05-14 21:59:49 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: we still haven't sorted out the case thing
1989 2011-05-14 22:00:07 <sipa> bli: don't worry
1990 2011-05-14 22:00:08 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: it's actually one of the harder pieces
1991 2011-05-14 22:00:24 <bli> sipa: ive upgraded now
1992 2011-05-14 22:00:38 <sipa> just leave the client running for a few hours
1993 2011-05-14 22:00:42 <sipa> and make sure it's connected
1994 2011-05-14 22:00:47 <vorlov> jrmithdobbs: when u say the rest of the machine is designed to support... do u mean that the 750w is basically dedicated to the GPUs while there is another small PSU for the mobo/comp unit?
1995 2011-05-14 22:00:58 <bli> yeah, it has 7 connections
1996 2011-05-14 22:00:59 <ArtForzZz> humm... doe sa client propagate its own tx if they violate the "forwarding" size/fee rules?
1997 2011-05-14 22:01:01 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: no i don't
1998 2011-05-14 22:01:15 <vorlov> jrmithdobbs: can u elaborate please?
1999 2011-05-14 22:01:17 <ArtForzZz> I'm pretty sure it doesn't
2000 2011-05-14 22:01:24 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: not really
2001 2011-05-14 22:01:29 <bli> ArtForzZz: how can i violate them without being warned by the client?
2002 2011-05-14 22:01:31 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: sorry
2003 2011-05-14 22:01:39 <devon_hillard> ArtForzZz: were you playing with the BTC price again? damn near hit $9 per, be careful :p
2004 2011-05-14 22:01:47 <ArtForzZz> bli: you used a ancient version that didnt have the warning yet?
2005 2011-05-14 22:01:58 <jrmithdobbs> if he was thx for my trades at 8.55 ;P
2006 2011-05-14 22:02:12 <bli> it was 0.3.2
2007 2011-05-14 22:02:15 <sipa> bli: did you use 0.3.2 or 0.3.20?
2008 2011-05-14 22:02:17 <ArtForzZz> nope, sold quite a few at around 8.30 though
2009 2011-05-14 22:02:29 <vorlov> jrmithdobbs: okay well thanks for the tips tho! my small machine wont compare to a machine as powerful as yours.
2010 2011-05-14 22:02:37 <vorlov> so im content with the tips so far
2011 2011-05-14 22:02:56 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #12: FAILURE in 4.3 sec: http://10.232.1.8:8080/job/Bitcoin/12/
2012 2011-05-14 22:02:57 <bli> im not sure anymore now ...
2013 2011-05-14 22:03:11 <sipa> when did you download it?
2014 2011-05-14 22:03:15 <bli> but it was 0.3.2(0)
2015 2011-05-14 22:03:36 <sipa> i assume 0.3.20 :)
2016 2011-05-14 22:04:08 <bli> ArtForzZz made me worry
2017 2011-05-14 22:04:18 <sipa> well, when did you download it?
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2019 2011-05-14 22:04:54 <ArtForzZz> 0.3.2(0) ... no, I think that was 0.3.2 ... that has to be over a year old
2020 2011-05-14 22:05:15 <bli> no
2021 2011-05-14 22:05:17 <bli> not a year
2022 2011-05-14 22:05:21 <bli> april maybe
2023 2011-05-14 22:05:28 <sipa> 0.3.20 :)
2024 2011-05-14 22:05:32 <ArtForzZz> then it has to be 0.3.20
2025 2011-05-14 22:05:36 <bli> ok
2026 2011-05-14 22:05:46 <ArtForzZz> which already had the min fee rules iirc, so... wtf?
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2028 2011-05-14 22:06:03 <sipa> maybe he was just badly connected when creating the tx
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2030 2011-05-14 22:06:11 <ArtForzZz> possible
2031 2011-05-14 22:06:13 <bli> yes, thats possible
2032 2011-05-14 22:06:21 <bli> bad connection atm
2033 2011-05-14 22:06:28 <vorlov> ArtForzZz: does the msi 870-g45 do a sempron CPU?
2034 2011-05-14 22:06:54 <vorlov> do u guys suggest anything more than a 140?
2035 2011-05-14 22:07:00 <ArtForzZz> no, I don't run them with sempron 140s, also I don't use 1GB ram on each and don't run dual 5870ßs and 5970s on em *headdesk*
2036 2011-05-14 22:07:02 <bli> ok, so will it propagate? just want to know whether i have to worry
2037 2011-05-14 22:07:08 <ArtForzZz> it should
2038 2011-05-14 22:07:11 <bli> its 400 BTC after aee
2039 2011-05-14 22:07:16 <bli> all
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2041 2011-05-14 22:07:19 <vorlov> thanks
2042 2011-05-14 22:07:21 <ArtForzZz> takes 1 block + 5-30 mion before it tries again though
2043 2011-05-14 22:07:27 <ArtForzZz> *min
2044 2011-05-14 22:07:36 <bli> ok, thanks for your help guys
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2046 2011-05-14 22:08:20 <TD> sweet, azerbaijan is gonna win, it seems
2047 2011-05-14 22:09:54 <jrmithdobbs> ?
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2050 2011-05-14 22:12:30 <BlueMatt> meh, Im not a big fan of azerbaijan
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2052 2011-05-14 22:12:44 <BlueMatt> then again none of them are really that great
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2054 2011-05-14 22:13:16 <vorlov> hard drive.... do u guys like one over the other? seems all the same to me?
2055 2011-05-14 22:13:23 <vorlov> any reason to go for a solid drive
2056 2011-05-14 22:13:24 <vorlov> ?
2057 2011-05-14 22:13:27 <TD> moldova were worth a laugh
2058 2011-05-14 22:13:27 <sipa> take the cheapest
2059 2011-05-14 22:13:36 <sipa> if it's just for mining
2060 2011-05-14 22:13:45 <sipa> but make sure you have backups of your wallet.dat
2061 2011-05-14 22:14:25 <BlueMatt> yay, jenkins is building for win32 + linux and should post here if the build failed (just have to proxy the results so people can see the errors)
2062 2011-05-14 22:15:30 <vorlov> sipa: memory? kingstone? or again the cheapest ddr3
2063 2011-05-14 22:15:59 <sipa> memory, cpu, harddrive, ... don't matter
2064 2011-05-14 22:16:08 <sipa> mobo, psu, gpu ... do
2065 2011-05-14 22:16:31 <vorlov> sounds good
2066 2011-05-14 22:16:34 <vorlov> thank you very very much!
2067 2011-05-14 22:16:37 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
2068 2011-05-14 22:16:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123977 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1014 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 217535.83483106
2069 2011-05-14 22:16:43 <midnightmagic> fascinating.
2070 2011-05-14 22:17:00 <vorlov> going down again?!
2071 2011-05-14 22:17:01 <midnightmagic> ;;calc ([bc,estimate]-[bc,diff])/[bc,diff]*100
2072 2011-05-14 22:17:02 <gribble> ((217,535.83483106 - 157,426.20628986) / 157,426.20628986) * 100 = 38.1827333
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2074 2011-05-14 22:17:24 <midnightmagic> "down"?
2075 2011-05-14 22:17:58 <sipa> ;;bc,diff
2076 2011-05-14 22:17:59 <gribble> 157426.20628986
2077 2011-05-14 22:18:24 <sipa> this is obviously some strange usage of the word "down" that I hadn't been previously aware of
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2079 2011-05-14 22:18:49 <ArtForzZz> up is down
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2081 2011-05-14 22:20:50 <midnightmagic> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png yikes!
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2088 2011-05-14 22:25:40 <jrmithdobbs> haha who's cashing out
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2090 2011-05-14 22:27:26 <MagicalTux> am I the only one who feels that the bitcoin.org/smf forums are a bit slowy?
2091 2011-05-14 22:27:30 <ArtForzZz> ?
2092 2011-05-14 22:27:52 <ArtForzZz> oi, 6.80 ?
2093 2011-05-14 22:29:33 <MagicalTux> looks like someone dropped some bitcoins on the market
2094 2011-05-14 22:29:38 <jrmithdobbs> aye
2095 2011-05-14 22:30:04 <ArtForzZz> corresponding nicely with s2052s "xmas tree" post...
2096 2011-05-14 22:30:39 <jrmithdobbs> link?
2097 2011-05-14 22:30:56 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
2098 2011-05-14 22:30:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123978 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 217582.88730974
2099 2011-05-14 22:31:13 <MagicalTux> next difficulty is crazy :o
2100 2011-05-14 22:31:29 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gen 2900000
2101 2011-05-14 22:31:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2900000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 18.5286959042 BTC per day and 0.772028996007 BTC per hour.
2102 2011-05-14 22:31:32 <ArtForzZz> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1493.760
2103 2011-05-14 22:31:34 <MagicalTux> (we keep saying thatà
2104 2011-05-14 22:31:42 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gend 2900000 217582.88730974
2105 2011-05-14 22:31:42 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2900000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 217582.88730974, is 13.4059361918 BTC per day and 0.558580674656 BTC per hour.
2106 2011-05-14 22:31:55 <vorlov> do u need those thermal glew things for a sempron? or does it not have any heat sink to attach?
2107 2011-05-14 22:31:58 <jrmithdobbs> MagicalTux: not as crazy as last time
2108 2011-05-14 22:32:07 <jrmithdobbs> MagicalTux: only 25% jump! haha only
2109 2011-05-14 22:32:17 <EPiSKiNG> vorlov: stock HSF has paste on the bottom
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2111 2011-05-14 22:32:28 <vorlov> HSF?
2112 2011-05-14 22:32:30 <ArtForzZz> either s3052 is psychic or plenty of followers pretty much have created the eternal self-fulfilling prophecy ;)
2113 2011-05-14 22:32:33 <EPiSKiNG> heat sink fan
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2116 2011-05-14 22:34:21 <vorlov> i see
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2120 2011-05-14 22:35:43 <midnightmagic> -otc is brutally low S:N ratio..
2121 2011-05-14 22:35:54 <EPiSKiNG> signal to noise?
2122 2011-05-14 22:35:57 <ArtForzZz> there's S there?
2123 2011-05-14 22:35:58 <EPiSKiNG> haha
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2127 2011-05-14 22:38:29 <sipa> ArtForzZz: you need massive filtering to distinguish it, but yes
2128 2011-05-14 22:38:55 <ArtForzZz> ahhh, but then the symbol rate is so low :/
2129 2011-05-14 22:39:20 <BlueMatt> http://www.bluematt.me/jenkins
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2131 2011-05-14 22:43:27 <ElectRo`> how do i find out what my bitcoin address is on linux
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2133 2011-05-14 22:44:05 <sipa> ElectRo`: using bitcoind?
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2135 2011-05-14 22:44:19 <ElectRo`> sipa: yes
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2137 2011-05-14 22:46:24 <sipa> bitcoind getaddressesbyaccount ""
2138 2011-05-14 22:46:27 <sipa> or getnewaddress
2139 2011-05-14 22:46:43 <jrmithdobbs> speaking of which
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2145 2011-05-14 22:51:02 <BlueMatt> yay, now whenever bitcoin build gets killed, jenkins will post a message here notifying people of that :)
2146 2011-05-14 22:51:32 <vorlov> how do u guys measure how much wattage (kw/h) your burning a month
2147 2011-05-14 22:51:33 <vorlov> ?
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2149 2011-05-14 22:51:59 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: watts/10000 = kwh * 24 * 30
2150 2011-05-14 22:52:28 <vorlov> jrmithdobbs: what i mean is, how do u actually know how much the unit is taking
2151 2011-05-14 22:52:28 <jrmithdobbs> er 1000 not 10000 haha
2152 2011-05-14 22:52:29 <vorlov> requiring
2153 2011-05-14 22:52:36 <sipa> vorlov: it's kWh, not kW/h
2154 2011-05-14 22:52:50 <vorlov> sipa: sorry, kWh
2155 2011-05-14 22:52:51 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: plug it into something that measures it
2156 2011-05-14 22:52:59 <ArtForzZz> kW/h would be a rather... weird... unit
2157 2011-05-14 22:53:16 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #14: ABORTED in 28 sec: http://www.bluematt.me/jenkins/job/Bitcoin/14/
2158 2011-05-14 22:53:21 <vorlov> out of curiosity jrmithdobbs how much does your 4x5970 require?
2159 2011-05-14 22:53:31 <ArtForzZz> OVER 9000!!!
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2162 2011-05-14 22:53:59 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: i told you it's a 750w power supply, you can extrapolate a good guestimate off that (and they're 5850s)
2163 2011-05-14 22:54:13 <xelister> ArtForzZz: how many 5970's you seen failing?
2164 2011-05-14 22:54:27 <ArtForzZz> 2, both of them with AC accelero coolers
2165 2011-05-14 22:54:29 <ArtForzZz> 4*5970 is about 1.2kW at the plug
2166 2011-05-14 22:54:29 <xelister> e.g. I wonder, of the well-used 5970's (<= 80 C, 24/7 operation, normal V)
2167 2011-05-14 22:54:36 <xelister> how much I can expect to die during 3 months
2168 2011-05-14 22:54:37 <ArtForzZz> none
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2170 2011-05-14 22:54:49 <xelister> oh. so just the PSU is the risk>
2171 2011-05-14 22:55:18 <ArtForzZz> yea
2172 2011-05-14 22:55:23 <cowlicks> how do i use the balances.json tocheck my balance with eligius?
2173 2011-05-14 22:55:30 <xelister> for normal (not elite ;) branded PSU, like corsair, how many W PSU should be fine to hold 2x5970, ambient temp up to 38 C lets say
2174 2011-05-14 22:56:02 <xelister> 1000 W ?
2175 2011-05-14 22:56:11 <xelister> 24/7 operation
2176 2011-05-14 22:56:20 <jrmithdobbs> 5 billion watts
2177 2011-05-14 22:56:20 <sipa> corsair TX 850W works fine for 2x 5970
2178 2011-05-14 22:56:25 <xelister> well 2x5970 @830 MHz, and normal desktop
2179 2011-05-14 22:56:27 <jrmithdobbs> seriously do some math man
2180 2011-05-14 22:56:56 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: do some practice
2181 2011-05-14 22:57:31 <xelister> there's difference between "can hold, according to label" and "WILL hold, even 24/7 6 month 38 C operation on MAX load"
2182 2011-05-14 22:57:31 <ArtForzZz> to get decent efficiency, 1kW
2183 2011-05-14 22:57:33 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: the trick is just to buy psus whose actual output is close to what they claim
2184 2011-05-14 22:58:05 <xelister> ArtForzZz: if I dont care about efficiency, then 850?
2185 2011-05-14 22:58:11 <ArtForzZz> pretty much
2186 2011-05-14 22:58:13 <xelister> k
2187 2011-05-14 22:58:31 <ArtForzZz> a decent 850W works fine
2188 2011-05-14 22:58:35 <xelister> hmm if two r5970 almost touch echother in 2 slots
2189 2011-05-14 22:58:40 <ArtForzZz> a cheap 850W leaves a crater
2190 2011-05-14 22:58:41 <xelister> then are then properly cooled?
2191 2011-05-14 22:58:46 <ArtForzZz> no
2192 2011-05-14 22:58:47 <jrmithdobbs> no
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2195 2011-05-14 22:58:58 <jrmithdobbs> not without modifications
2196 2011-05-14 22:59:00 <jrmithdobbs> at least
2197 2011-05-14 22:59:01 <xelister> hmm ok, so a mobo with 2 pci between the 2 pci-X is needed?
2198 2011-05-14 22:59:26 <ArtForzZz> unless you use riser cables, yea
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2205 2011-05-14 23:02:22 <EPiSKiNG> anyone have experience with a 6970?
2206 2011-05-14 23:02:33 <EPiSKiNG> I'm wondering if it's overclockable more than a 5870
2207 2011-05-14 23:02:50 <EPiSKiNG> dude has one for sale, and I'm not sure if I want to spend $240 on it
2208 2011-05-14 23:02:52 <ArtForzZz> yes. next question?
2209 2011-05-14 23:03:11 <EPiSKiNG> i have 2 5870 that are running at 1000core
2210 2011-05-14 23:03:23 <EPiSKiNG> will the 6970 beat 430MH/s?
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2212 2011-05-14 23:03:26 <ArtForzZz> at stock V?
2213 2011-05-14 23:03:46 <EPiSKiNG> not stock V
2214 2011-05-14 23:03:52 <EPiSKiNG> 1175 V
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2216 2011-05-14 23:04:12 <allied> with the mtgox websocket, what is the format of the command to send
2217 2011-05-14 23:04:27 <allied> mtgox.subscribe(key) like that?
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2219 2011-05-14 23:05:50 <Ljrn900> luke-jr|otg, faila
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2221 2011-05-14 23:06:39 <EPiSKiNG> 6950 with unlocked shaders just as overclockable as a 6970??
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2225 2011-05-14 23:08:00 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: how could that be?
2226 2011-05-14 23:08:01 <googleplex> anyone wanna give me free bitcoins?
2227 2011-05-14 23:08:13 <EPiSKiNG> I'm just asking
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2229 2011-05-14 23:08:18 <lfm> googleplex: try the faucet
2230 2011-05-14 23:08:19 <EPiSKiNG> if anyone has had experience with it
2231 2011-05-14 23:08:46 <googleplex> i did. im just asking if anyone wants so bitcoins taken off their hands
2232 2011-05-14 23:09:07 <googleplex> btw why is the price of bitcoins so volatile
2233 2011-05-14 23:09:20 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: well think about it. if the factory is binning them the ones that pass factory test at the higher speed will get the more expensive model desigantion. the ones that fail wont
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2235 2011-05-14 23:09:55 <lfm> googleplex: mainly its voletile cuz it is still a small young market
2236 2011-05-14 23:10:02 <lfm> with no regulation
2237 2011-05-14 23:10:31 <googleplex> do u think it will get regulated?
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2239 2011-05-14 23:11:05 <jrmithdobbs> can't be, that's the whole point?
2240 2011-05-14 23:11:16 <lfm> googleplex: Im not sure how it would be possible since it is so decentralized, no one countries laws could control it completely
2241 2011-05-14 23:11:41 <jrmithdobbs> individual countrys can do what they like re: to use in their controlled areas, but the currency itself can't really be "regulated"
2242 2011-05-14 23:12:04 <googleplex> wat about if countries implement internet control laws, like make the internet resemble that in China
2243 2011-05-14 23:12:28 <jrmithdobbs> googleplex: people get around the bans/blocks and china now. that is your answer, really.
2244 2011-05-14 23:12:36 <jrmithdobbs> s/and/in
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2246 2011-05-14 23:13:01 <lfm> googleplex: ya, various countries may try to control ltheir own citizen's use of bitcoin but thats not really control or regulation of bitcoin itself
2247 2011-05-14 23:13:32 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #15: ABORTED in 1 min 25 sec: http://www.bluematt.me/jenkins/job/Bitcoin/15/
2248 2011-05-14 23:13:36 <googleplex> wat gives bitcoins their value at this time?
2249 2011-05-14 23:13:52 <googleplex> like why do people buy them
2250 2011-05-14 23:13:59 <lfm> googleplex: mainly just what people are willing to buy and sell them for
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2252 2011-05-14 23:14:23 <jrmithdobbs> like any other modern currency
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2254 2011-05-14 23:14:42 <lfm> I suspect some people see then as a quickly raising value and trying to get in on the boom (before it crashes)
2255 2011-05-14 23:14:54 <gmaxwell> or many very limited commodities. E.g. gold's value as a metal doesn't at all reflect its market price.
2256 2011-05-14 23:15:09 <googleplex> when do u suppose the crash will occur
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2258 2011-05-14 23:15:11 <lfm> yup
2259 2011-05-14 23:15:31 <lfm> although there is even less intrinsic value to bitcoins than gold
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2261 2011-05-14 23:15:46 <gmaxwell> lfm: yes, but you can't eat either of them.
2262 2011-05-14 23:15:58 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #16: ABORTED in 38 sec: http://www.bluematt.me/jenkins/job/Bitcoin/16/
2263 2011-05-14 23:15:59 <lfm> googleplex: could be tommorow or it could be in 5 years. I dunno
2264 2011-05-14 23:16:00 <googleplex> but u can eat dollar bills
2265 2011-05-14 23:16:06 <gmaxwell> And at lest bitcoins are reallllly light and easy to transport. ;)
2266 2011-05-14 23:16:45 <lfm> googleplex: hehe, not much nutrition in paper but I spoze you could eat it as much as you could eat gold
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2269 2011-05-14 23:18:00 <googleplex> just as a question how much bitcoin reserves do u have
2270 2011-05-14 23:18:06 <gmaxwell> lfm: so long as the cryptosystem isn't cracked bitcoins do have some "intrinsic" value: they'd be a perfectly fine reusable proof of work system for anti-DOS for online systems even if no one used them as money. Admittedly thats not much value.
2271 2011-05-14 23:18:09 <lfm> its a secret
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2273 2011-05-14 23:18:55 <sipa> gmaxwell: bitcoin the system has intrinsic value, sure
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2275 2011-05-14 23:19:06 <lfm> gmaxwell: ya I think gold's value as a metal for electrical contacts would trump that
2276 2011-05-14 23:19:17 <sipa> gmaxwell: bitcoins - the mathematical tokens of the currency it defines - don't
2277 2011-05-14 23:19:30 <gmaxwell> sipa: because the coins are finite then they should have some part of that value too. But going down tothe smallest unit there sure are a lot of them.
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2279 2011-05-14 23:19:39 <googleplex> also wat is the best place to exchange bitcoins for $$
2280 2011-05-14 23:19:49 <sipa> value, obviously, people are paying for it
2281 2011-05-14 23:19:53 <xelister> ArtForzZz: ATX mobo with slots: pci-Ex16, pci, pci, pci-Ex16   guarantees that there is enough room between thoes two 5970's to be cooled reasonably?
2282 2011-05-14 23:19:55 <sipa> but no intrinsic value
2283 2011-05-14 23:20:09 <lfm> googleplex: dunno best, the most common/popular would be mtgox.com I spoze
2284 2011-05-14 23:20:15 <sipa> if they weren't used as currency, they'd be worthless
2285 2011-05-14 23:20:20 <gmaxwell> sipa: if I had all the coins you couldn't use bitcoin as a RPOW system.
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2287 2011-05-14 23:20:34 <sipa> so?
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2289 2011-05-14 23:20:52 * sipa -> bed
2290 2011-05-14 23:20:59 <lfm> gmaxwell: if I had all the computers in the world you could use bitcoin either
2291 2011-05-14 23:21:05 <lfm> couldnt
2292 2011-05-14 23:21:14 <gmaxwell> sipa: So I think it has no intrensic value without the coins.
2293 2011-05-14 23:21:35 <gmaxwell> lfm: true enough. This isa bit like arguing about how many angels fit on the head of a pin.
2294 2011-05-14 23:21:42 <lfm> yup
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2297 2011-05-14 23:22:12 <googleplex> lfm: at mt.gox they exchange for mtgox $$ not for usd. then u have to pay a percentage to withdraw.
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2299 2011-05-14 23:23:01 <lfm> googleplex: ya, you can eventually get us$ tho. dunno if there is a more direct (and trustworthy) site somewhere
2300 2011-05-14 23:23:46 <lfm> googleplex: you might ask in the #bitcoin-otc channel, they have other trading options too
2301 2011-05-14 23:24:09 <googleplex> lfm: do when people started using bitcoins?
2302 2011-05-14 23:24:37 <lfm> bitcoin started jan 2009 but there wasnt much happened for the first year
2303 2011-05-14 23:24:45 <xelister> hi
2304 2011-05-14 23:24:58 <xelister> did UsaFags attacked Liberty Dollar or something?
2305 2011-05-14 23:25:17 <lfm> dunno why you ask?
2306 2011-05-14 23:25:31 <xelister> http://www.libertydollar.org/  --> Site Removed Due to Court Order.
2307 2011-05-14 23:25:38 <grbgout> wow
2308 2011-05-14 23:25:41 <Nesetalis> woah
2309 2011-05-14 23:26:12 <googleplex> :O
2310 2011-05-14 23:26:15 <Nesetalis> http://reason.com/blog/2011/03/18/liberty-dollar-founder-reporte
2311 2011-05-14 23:26:20 <gmaxwell> This isn't news.
2312 2011-05-14 23:26:28 <grbgout> it is to me
2313 2011-05-14 23:26:37 <grbgout> does dwolla still work with mtgox?
2314 2011-05-14 23:26:38 <lfm> liberty dollar is old news. try https://www.libertyreserve.com/
2315 2011-05-14 23:26:50 <gmaxwell> liberty dollar != liberty reserve.
2316 2011-05-14 23:26:51 <grbgout> lfm: ah, of course.
2317 2011-05-14 23:26:52 <googleplex> http://www.liberty4free.com/Liberty%20Dollar%20Trial.htm
2318 2011-05-14 23:26:57 <xelister> The leader of a group that marketed a fake currency called Liberty Dollars in the Asheville area and elsewhere has been found guilty by a federal jury of conspiracy against the government in a case of “domestic terrorism.”
2319 2011-05-14 23:26:58 <grbgout> xelister is just trolololing.
2320 2011-05-14 23:27:23 <xelister> fake currency
2321 2011-05-14 23:27:28 <xelister> onspiracy against the government
2322 2011-05-14 23:27:31 <xelister> domestic terrorism
2323 2011-05-14 23:27:34 <gmaxwell> The argument that liberty dollar was counterfit was pretty good.
2324 2011-05-14 23:27:35 <xelister> trolololo what
2325 2011-05-14 23:27:36 <Nesetalis> mhm
2326 2011-05-14 23:27:40 <xelister> oh USA gov, U SO SILLY
2327 2011-05-14 23:27:42 <grbgout> xelister: clearly bitcoin is safe, it's a /real/ currency.
2328 2011-05-14 23:27:49 <gmaxwell> If you read the trial stuff— e.g. they encouraged people to pass them off as USD.
2329 2011-05-14 23:27:50 <lfm> xelister: to answer your question, ya I think it was USA secret service and freinds who shut down liberty dollar but it was like years ago
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2331 2011-05-14 23:28:42 <xelister> trading == terrorism
2332 2011-05-14 23:28:51 <xelister> in the land of the brave  :>
2333 2011-05-14 23:28:55 <xelister> in the land of the free  <:
2334 2011-05-14 23:29:06 <lfm> well how better to undermine a capitalist state?
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2336 2011-05-14 23:29:14 <gmaxwell> lfm: yep
2337 2011-05-14 23:29:17 <18VAADBET> in the land of highly organized tyrany
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2340 2011-05-14 23:29:39 <gmaxwell> 18VAADBET: my tyrany is more cuddly than your tyrany.
2341 2011-05-14 23:29:51 <xelister> lfm: dunno, I was saying brave and free.  Not commercialized and incorportaed
2342 2011-05-14 23:29:54 <18VAADBET> heh
2343 2011-05-14 23:30:17 <lfm> xelister: ya depends which usa you mean
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2345 2011-05-14 23:30:41 <18VAADBET> there needs to be a decenteralized exchange
2346 2011-05-14 23:30:50 <xelister> I guess USA had lost the war on terror and is an oppressive state of silently enslaved pepople
2347 2011-05-14 23:30:52 <18VAADBET> mtgox seems like a single point of failure
2348 2011-05-14 23:31:02 <lfm> 18VAADBET: try #bitcoin-otc channel?
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2350 2011-05-14 23:31:26 <xelister> we talk here about this and this topic goes around and around,  yet usafags themselves apparently fail to organize to "do something about it"... wonder will they ever?
2351 2011-05-14 23:31:41 <lfm> xelister: Huh? I thot they won when they shoot osama?
2352 2011-05-14 23:31:57 <xelister> they did when found porn in his hideout
2353 2011-05-14 23:32:01 <xelister> that is very important information
2354 2011-05-14 23:32:09 <xelister> THAT. CHANGES. EVERYTHING.
2355 2011-05-14 23:32:17 <lfm> xelister: has that been confirmed? it was just a rumour.
2356 2011-05-14 23:32:30 <xelister> why usafags are surprised or make any deal that he had porn/
2357 2011-05-14 23:32:34 <xelister> its like
2358 2011-05-14 23:32:40 <xelister> We killed Ghandi
2359 2011-05-14 23:32:50 <xelister> HE PLAYED MARIO BROS IV COMPUTER GAME
2360 2011-05-14 23:33:03 <xelister> so...?  and...?  that matters how...?
2361 2011-05-14 23:33:39 <lfm> porn is important in usa
2362 2011-05-14 23:34:14 <lfm> its how they define good and evil
2363 2011-05-14 23:34:54 <xelister> 18VAADBET: some decentralized exchanges will arise Im sure :)
2364 2011-05-14 23:35:20 <18VAADBET> the logistics would be interesting
2365 2011-05-14 23:36:10 <lfm> 18VAADBET: is trickey question since you have to exchange with something else which may be centrally controlled
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2367 2011-05-14 23:36:42 <18VAADBET> i'd totally start a bitcoin currency exchange straight inbetween cash and bitcoins at street level out of my shop... if i wern't a little afraid of attracting the wrong kind of attention from the gov
2368 2011-05-14 23:36:46 <midnightmagic> 18VAADBET: how to get money *out* of the decentralized network, and how do you ensure that timely trades can be made? might as well just go to #bitcoin-otc
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2370 2011-05-14 23:37:11 <18VAADBET> yeah...
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2372 2011-05-14 23:37:22 <lfm> 18VAADBET: ya, and youd get a lot of the other "wrong kind" of customers too I expect
2373 2011-05-14 23:37:52 <18VAADBET> there should be some way of distrubiting everything over an anon network just like i2p and the bitcoin proof of work for an exchange too though
2374 2011-05-14 23:37:55 <googleplex> the us gov is a big liar
2375 2011-05-14 23:38:09 <lfm> googleplex: so?
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2377 2011-05-14 23:38:30 <midnightmagic> kinda brutal problem. someone, somewhere, needs to take the risk and the burden, and they're not going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts.
2378 2011-05-14 23:38:49 <lfm> Al franken wrote books about how polititians are big fat liers and now he is one.
2379 2011-05-14 23:39:14 <googleplex> watcha peeps think about Ron Paul?
2380 2011-05-14 23:40:12 <xelister> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/11/us-30m-fighting-internet-censorship
2381 2011-05-14 23:40:18 <xelister> "US to spend $30m fighting internet censorship."
2382 2011-05-14 23:40:21 <xelister> Trololololol?
2383 2011-05-14 23:40:24 <edcba> loool
2384 2011-05-14 23:40:35 <googleplex> and spend $1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to censor
2385 2011-05-14 23:40:47 <18VAADBET> heh
2386 2011-05-14 23:40:47 <lfm> ya, they want monopoly on cencorship
2387 2011-05-14 23:40:51 <xelister> they are going to invest 30m$ to shut down their gov?
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2389 2011-05-14 23:41:26 <googleplex> no they are going to invest $30 to make their gov supreme
2390 2011-05-14 23:42:17 <lfm> our definition of freedom is the only one you will find after this! (us gov)
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2392 2011-05-14 23:44:12 <lfm> just like hollywood is the only place allowed to make movies and music (except maybe knashville)
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2394 2011-05-14 23:48:13 <kika> ubuntu installation supports LUKS ?
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2396 2011-05-14 23:48:28 <kika> i want to encrypt the drive during installation using AES 256
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2400 2011-05-14 23:48:38 <kika> which distro do you guys recommend to do that?
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2404 2011-05-14 23:50:34 <BlueMatt> yay BlueMattBot has a cloak :)
2405 2011-05-14 23:50:51 <lfm> whats aes 256?
2406 2011-05-14 23:51:50 <gmaxwell> kika: all linux supports disk encryption, some make it an installer options.
2407 2011-05-14 23:51:56 <gmaxwell> s/options/option.
2408 2011-05-14 23:52:17 <kika> gmaxwell: so basically a ubuntu or fedora installation wizard will have it, right?
2409 2011-05-14 23:52:30 <gmaxwell> I know the fedora install has it.
2410 2011-05-14 23:52:40 <gmaxwell> I expect that the ubuntu installer does too.
2411 2011-05-14 23:53:07 <gmaxwell> Also— if you just want to encrypt part of the system (like your home directory) you can do it after the install.
2412 2011-05-14 23:53:14 <xelister> anyone wanna @ 7.00 ? forward contract 150 BTC after 4 weeks
2413 2011-05-14 23:53:55 <gmaxwell> I just encrypt my home— this lets me enter only a single password, my login password decrypts the volume using pam_mount.
2414 2011-05-14 23:54:53 <gmaxwell> This also lets me have an alternative unencrypted account, so if ninjas force me to log into my computer and hand if over I can do that. (assuming they're dumb enough ninjas that they'll be happy with my dummy account)
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