1 2011-05-17 00:00:07 <Demandrel> I am stuck at 500 blocks...
2 2011-05-17 00:00:41 <eamon> bitcoin is doing thousands and thousands of tiny writes
3 2011-05-17 00:00:54 <eamon> there has to be a more hdd friendly way
4 2011-05-17 00:00:56 <Diablo-D3> eamon: doesnt surprise me.
5 2011-05-17 00:01:24 <Diablo-D3> its doing things in safe ways
6 2011-05-17 00:01:31 <Diablo-D3> "hdd friendly" != "data safe"
7 2011-05-17 00:02:15 <eamon> ok, but I want hdd friendly, I don't care if it means you have to do it differently
8 2011-05-17 00:02:26 <Diablo-D3> eamon: I think you misunderstood
9 2011-05-17 00:02:32 <Diablo-D3> data loss is bad.
10 2011-05-17 00:02:34 <andrew12> eamon: it'll be more hdd friendly after it finishes downloading the block chain
11 2011-05-17 00:02:51 <Saab-> is there any way to prevent bitcoin and other mining apps from using my ssd and make them use the regular hd?
12 2011-05-17 00:03:06 <Saab-> for mac does bitcoin only use temp files iwhtin its own .app?
13 2011-05-17 00:03:16 <Saab-> r is it putting stuff in application support or something
14 2011-05-17 00:03:23 <comboy> btw, was there any idea to offer alternative client download with blockchain from say 2 weeks ago? it is indeed a bit of a pain for new users
15 2011-05-17 00:03:27 <aschmitz> Saab-: Also ~/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin
16 2011-05-17 00:03:32 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin is not a native mac app, Saab-
17 2011-05-17 00:04:00 <Diablo-D3> feel free to file bug reports if its doing anything strange, it shouldnt write to stuff inside of bitcoin.app
18 2011-05-17 00:04:22 <Diablo-D3> comboy: its been discussed
19 2011-05-17 00:04:26 <Saab-> do you know where it does write stuff to the hd for the mac client?
20 2011-05-17 00:04:27 <Diablo-D3> comboy: the issue isnt downloading the chain
21 2011-05-17 00:04:38 <Diablo-D3> Saab-: to files inside your home dir.
22 2011-05-17 00:04:48 <Saab-> ok thanks
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25 2011-05-17 00:05:26 <Saab-> would rather not have it hammering hte ssd if necessary, dont think there would be much of a speed increase anyway
26 2011-05-17 00:05:46 <Diablo-D3> comboy: see, it currently downloads an index of the chain, and then all the entries... but its not farming out downloads for the entries (how, say, torrent farms out file blocks to multiple peers)
27 2011-05-17 00:05:55 <Diablo-D3> comboy: instead of just keeps talking to the same peer
28 2011-05-17 00:06:01 <andrew12> Saab-: to be specific, it writes them to ~/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin
29 2011-05-17 00:06:14 <Diablo-D3> Saab-: no, the ssd would be faster
30 2011-05-17 00:06:21 <andrew12> Saab-: It'll stop hammering the ssd once the block chain finishes downloading
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32 2011-05-17 00:06:55 <Saab-> maybe im being paranoid, just figured id save the ssd of all those writes because it is eventually limited in that aspect right?
33 2011-05-17 00:07:01 <comboy> Diablo-D3: oh, I noticed that weirdness that I had only one connection when tried new installation lately until blockchain downloaded
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35 2011-05-17 00:07:14 <Diablo-D3> comboy: yeah, this COULD be handled better, its just not.
36 2011-05-17 00:07:23 <eamon> Saab-: Isn't that the whole point of an SSD?
37 2011-05-17 00:07:25 <multiHYP> why is the number of blocks not increasing anymore?
38 2011-05-17 00:07:33 <andrew12> multiHYP: what is it at?
39 2011-05-17 00:07:35 <testman> Hey all, does anyone have any plans to port a miner to XPI?
40 2011-05-17 00:07:37 <multiHYP> it stopped shy from 100000
41 2011-05-17 00:07:37 <Diablo-D3> multiHYP: it increases, on average, every 10 minutes.
42 2011-05-17 00:07:38 <comboy> Diablo-D3: still, even if that's improved for most people it would be faster to have some solid chunk of blockchain downloaded with client
43 2011-05-17 00:07:44 <eamon> ;;bc,blocka
44 2011-05-17 00:07:45 <gribble> Error: "bc,blocka" is not a valid command.
45 2011-05-17 00:07:47 <eamon> ;;bc,blocks
46 2011-05-17 00:07:48 <gribble> 124463
47 2011-05-17 00:07:49 <andrew12> multiHYP: is it at ,,bc,blocks ?
48 2011-05-17 00:07:49 <gribble> 124463
49 2011-05-17 00:07:56 <multiHYP> nope
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51 2011-05-17 00:08:01 <Diablo-D3> multiHYP: if it stops for too long during initial block dl, restart the client
52 2011-05-17 00:08:02 <andrew12> then be patient
53 2011-05-17 00:08:10 <Diablo-D3> comboy: well, that, yes
54 2011-05-17 00:08:14 <Diablo-D3> comboy: its been discussed
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56 2011-05-17 00:08:32 <Diablo-D3> I'd like to see optional downloads offered with, say, the first 100k blocks
57 2011-05-17 00:09:09 <eamon> Isn't that insecure?
58 2011-05-17 00:09:18 <comboy> as much as I hate such organizations in general, some kind of it to fund developers could be nice, these investing much in bitcoin care about it's usefullness and security, but possibly have no idea who could they donate to
59 2011-05-17 00:09:27 <Diablo-D3> eamon: no. I said first 100k.
60 2011-05-17 00:09:33 <comboy> Diablo-D3: exactly that, that would be great
61 2011-05-17 00:09:42 <multiHYP> this is going to screw up my harddrive :s
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63 2011-05-17 00:09:50 <multiHYP> it sounds horrible really
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65 2011-05-17 00:10:14 <Diablo-D3> eamon: the client is hardwired for specific blocks AND clients that are say, shipped with the wrong blocks cant connect to anyone else because the blocks wont match
66 2011-05-17 00:10:24 <Diablo-D3> multiHYP: dude, its not going to screw up anything
67 2011-05-17 00:10:33 <comboy> multiHYP: oh c'mon, it's just hdd, you're gonna screw much more hardware once you started playing with bitcoins ;)
68 2011-05-17 00:10:34 <Diablo-D3> multiHYP: if you dont like it, blame berkeley bd
69 2011-05-17 00:10:55 <eamon> Diablo-D3: I see.
70 2011-05-17 00:10:57 <multiHYP> thats the thing, my dissertation is due in a month
71 2011-05-17 00:11:09 <Diablo-D3> multiHYP: and why arent you regularly backing up shit?
72 2011-05-17 00:11:09 <multiHYP> so if my harddrive is screwed my degree is too :D
73 2011-05-17 00:11:23 <Diablo-D3> like, did you see the fml about the guy who his kid brother deleted the book hes been writing for the past 3 years?
74 2011-05-17 00:11:29 <multiHYP> i do, except my 1 TB drive is full of movies already
75 2011-05-17 00:11:40 <Diablo-D3> _backup your shit regularly people_
76 2011-05-17 00:11:41 <multiHYP> so the computer's drive is left
77 2011-05-17 00:11:46 <multiHYP> :D
78 2011-05-17 00:11:46 <Diablo-D3> multiHYP: thats no excuse.
79 2011-05-17 00:11:52 <Diablo-D3> a "backup" means EVERYTHING
80 2011-05-17 00:12:01 <Diablo-D3> a 1TB drive of movies is not a backup.
81 2011-05-17 00:12:10 <comboy> there's only way to learn this ;)
82 2011-05-17 00:12:10 <Diablo-D3> a backup of the 1TB drive of movies is a backup.
83 2011-05-17 00:12:20 <Diablo-D3> comboy: sigh, everyone has to learn this once.
84 2011-05-17 00:14:10 <Diablo-D3> I mean, shit, if you google "archival dvd", my blog is in the first fucking page.
85 2011-05-17 00:14:18 <Diablo-D3> http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media
86 2011-05-17 00:14:19 <plato_> what would have to happen if we needed to have smaller units of account than satoshis
87 2011-05-17 00:14:44 <Diablo-D3> this IS rocket science, and I did your homework for you.
88 2011-05-17 00:15:50 <Diablo-D3> plato_: ... dear god, if we need units smaller than satoshis, WE'RE ALL RICH
89 2011-05-17 00:16:31 <Diablo-D3> plato_: we'd need need an extension to the protocol essentially
90 2011-05-17 00:16:51 <Diablo-D3> every client would have to support it, and it'd need to be in place in all clients 2 years before we turn it on
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92 2011-05-17 00:17:46 <Diablo-D3> it'd require clients to support, say, 2 longs for the money fields in txes
93 2011-05-17 00:17:49 <plato_> Diablo-D3: so, there's a "ver":1, string in the blocks
94 2011-05-17 00:17:51 <Diablo-D3> instead of just 1
95 2011-05-17 00:17:58 <plato_> that'd change?
96 2011-05-17 00:18:04 <Diablo-D3> plato_: I dont think theres a ver string at all
97 2011-05-17 00:18:11 <Diablo-D3> if there is, it'd make shit so much easier
98 2011-05-17 00:18:11 <plato_> http://blockexplorer.com/rawblock/0000000000000ff80840db6df59117f3ae586c91faf19bcfa16e57ccdca5d657
99 2011-05-17 00:18:12 <comboy> about protocol, I hate the look that I'll be getting from ArtForz now, but what do you think if at some block in the future protocol was changed in the way that few different type of hashes would be used at once? it would make it safe even if sha would be exploited somehow
100 2011-05-17 00:18:20 <Diablo-D3> huh.
101 2011-05-17 00:18:24 <Diablo-D3> plato_: this I did not know.
102 2011-05-17 00:18:27 <Diablo-D3> and Ive been here forever
103 2011-05-17 00:18:34 <plato_> heh
104 2011-05-17 00:18:43 <Diablo-D3> I never looked at the block format, to be honest.
105 2011-05-17 00:18:53 <plato_> i'm polishing my guns for the 'what should we call 0.001 bitcoins' thread
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108 2011-05-17 00:19:20 <plato_> i'm pointing out that if we start using SI prefixes counting down from 1btc, it's incompatible from using SI prefixes counting up from 1 satoshi
109 2011-05-17 00:19:26 <Diablo-D3> plato_: below 0.01 we just refer to it as satoshi really
110 2011-05-17 00:19:41 <Diablo-D3> well, I was calling satoshi ubtc for awhile
111 2011-05-17 00:25:24 <luke-jr> plato_: smaller than Satoshi is about as difficult as more than 50 BTC per block reward
112 2011-05-17 00:25:58 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: ...
113 2011-05-17 00:26:05 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure if you tried to imply thats hard or not
114 2011-05-17 00:26:27 <Diablo-D3> 1 satoshi == 1, as described by 1 in a long integer.
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116 2011-05-17 00:26:49 <ericools> how about .01 being a Megatoshi and .0001 being a Kilotoshi
117 2011-05-17 00:26:53 <luke-jr> it "only" requires everyone on the network agree to upgrade to a new protocol
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119 2011-05-17 00:27:56 <ericools> kind of like getting everyone to choose one religion
120 2011-05-17 00:28:53 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: exactly
121 2011-05-17 00:28:54 <Diablo-D3> which is what I said
122 2011-05-17 00:29:01 <Diablo-D3> and it'd need to be done about 2 years before we need it
123 2011-05-17 00:29:22 <Diablo-D3> because if we NEED microtoshis, then we've hit the point that a single BTC is worth more than you make in a year.
124 2011-05-17 00:29:31 <Diablo-D3> and ... I just... I dunno man
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131 2011-05-17 00:37:17 <hyperjacker> when is D3 coming out?
132 2011-05-17 00:39:11 <Netsniper> lulz
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134 2011-05-17 00:39:39 <eamon> Are there any 1BTCs on block explorer made of 100 or more fragments?
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138 2011-05-17 00:47:00 <iGlobal> is there a .net library available?
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142 2011-05-17 00:49:54 <andrew12> a .net library for what?
143 2011-05-17 00:50:47 <iGlobal> creating trading apps
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145 2011-05-17 00:51:12 <andrew12> all you need is a JSON RPC library
146 2011-05-17 00:51:39 <iGlobal> wheres the api
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148 2011-05-17 00:52:26 <andrew12> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)
149 2011-05-17 00:52:48 <iGlobal> ahh
150 2011-05-17 00:52:49 marlowe has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
151 2011-05-17 00:52:54 <iGlobal> and now i see: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_%28JSON-RPC%29#.NET_%28C_%29
152 2011-05-17 00:52:58 <iGlobal> thx
153 2011-05-17 00:56:24 <andrew12> w
154 2011-05-17 00:56:30 <andrew12> yw
155 2011-05-17 00:58:01 <Diablo-D3> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/NkCJ2xw_mps/frank-lloyd-wright-s.html
156 2011-05-17 00:58:09 <Diablo-D3> >frank lloyd wright case
157 2011-05-17 00:58:13 <Diablo-D3> >doesnt use water cooling
158 2011-05-17 00:58:20 <Diablo-D3> ffffffffff
159 2011-05-17 00:58:57 <xelister> why not
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161 2011-05-17 01:02:11 <BTCexplorer> how long does it take to receive the .02 btc from bitcoinfaucet?
162 2011-05-17 01:02:33 <io_error> BTCexplorer: I think it sends them free, so it could be several hours
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164 2011-05-17 01:02:51 <BTCexplorer> tnx
165 2011-05-17 01:03:03 <noagendamarket> if apple comes out with an app it will be called ibitcoin
166 2011-05-17 01:03:06 <noagendamarket> lol
167 2011-05-17 01:03:50 <BTCexplorer> that long... I guess It needs to make sure its tracked everywhere.
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177 2011-05-17 01:13:14 <EPiSKiNG> you guyus think 770 Watts at the plug is ok for an 800 watt psu?
178 2011-05-17 01:13:22 <GermainAdrian> EPiSKiNG: depends on the psu
179 2011-05-17 01:13:47 <GermainAdrian> I'd say you are pushing it
180 2011-05-17 01:13:49 <EPiSKiNG> http://mushkin.com/Power-Supplies/Joule/MKNPSJL800.aspx
181 2011-05-17 01:13:53 <EPiSKiNG> that;s the psu i have
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183 2011-05-17 01:16:13 <EPiSKiNG> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/unled1cw.jpg/
184 2011-05-17 01:16:22 <EPiSKiNG> check out the usage on GPU2 and GPU3
185 2011-05-17 01:16:38 <EPiSKiNG> that's the 5970 i have, GPU 1 is the 5870
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187 2011-05-17 01:17:50 <EPiSKiNG> maybe i can uncderclock my CPU?
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190 2011-05-17 01:20:46 <Rudycoin> whats the best GPU for this that is on the Market?
191 2011-05-17 01:21:13 <iGlobal> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
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197 2011-05-17 01:24:36 <Rudycoin> iGlobal - thanks
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201 2011-05-17 01:29:25 <Rudycoin> looks like the 5970 is it
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204 2011-05-17 01:30:45 <Raccoon> hmm, here's an idea
205 2011-05-17 01:31:18 peck has joined
206 2011-05-17 01:31:31 <Raccoon> what if we could attach metadata to bitcoin transactions, to piggyback the existing P2P destination-finding network created by Bitcoin
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208 2011-05-17 01:31:40 <Raccoon> so we can send encrypted messages.
209 2011-05-17 01:31:50 <Raccoon> charge a fee per message length
210 2011-05-17 01:32:17 <Raccoon> the message need not necessarily be stored in the Blocks, maybe?
211 2011-05-17 01:33:43 <bd_> bitcoin is a terrible network to use for sending messages
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213 2011-05-17 01:33:53 <bd_> why not just make a dead-simple broadcast network?
214 2011-05-17 01:34:07 <z310> indeed
215 2011-05-17 01:34:08 <bd_> if you need some degree of persistence, use kademlia or something
216 2011-05-17 01:34:15 <z310> there's no reason to add that
217 2011-05-17 01:34:20 <z310> sounds only like bloat
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219 2011-05-17 01:34:26 <bd_> well, I mean, you _could_ do it
220 2011-05-17 01:34:36 <bd_> it's just that the messages would become part of the block chain and remain there forever
221 2011-05-17 01:34:51 <bd_> which is just silly, why would you need that?
222 2011-05-17 01:34:58 <da2ce7> https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1vBlIVORn8nZmMxZTI1ZGYtMDA0ZS00OTVmLTgxNmEtMWY5NjZkMjJlMmUw&hl=en_GB
223 2011-05-17 01:35:47 <da2ce7> ^ Bitcoin IPC... for network...
224 2011-05-17 01:35:55 <da2ce7> we need to design the proticol
225 2011-05-17 01:36:04 <bd_> block/tx may be a bit low level
226 2011-05-17 01:36:12 <bd_> well, maybe not for freenet bridges
227 2011-05-17 01:36:20 <bd_> but you'd really want a wallet abstraction above that
228 2011-05-17 01:36:32 <da2ce7> bd_ of course
229 2011-05-17 01:36:57 <bd_> I actually sketched something like that a while ago, but never bothered to really take it further: https://gist.github.com/845271
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233 2011-05-17 01:39:36 <da2ce7> bd_ looks cool... I was thinking of using Google's Protocol Buffers]
234 2011-05-17 01:39:48 <bd_> da2ce7: I didn't bother specifying the transport protocol :)
235 2011-05-17 01:39:58 <bd_> So yes, protocol buffers would be one way to encode this protocol
236 2011-05-17 01:40:18 <bd_> but you need to decide the scope of each API layer first; that's the most important part
237 2011-05-17 01:40:28 <da2ce7> and only having a very limited interface that deals with only the data that 'needs' to be transferd bewteen nodes.
238 2011-05-17 01:41:10 <bd_> well, the way I see it, you have several layers of participants here:
239 2011-05-17 01:41:34 <bd_> 1) Generators. These nodes need the full block chain in order to verify transactions and issue new blocks. They speak the current bitcoin protocol (or something similar)
240 2011-05-17 01:42:07 <scottttt> anyone buying or selling
241 2011-05-17 01:42:08 <bd_> 2) Gateways. These nodes speak the bitcoin protocol, but don't generate blocks. Their job is gating transactions to and from the core network, as well as responding to queries (including historical queries) to external hosts
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243 2011-05-17 01:42:54 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
244 2011-05-17 01:42:54 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.5,"low":6.75,"vol":41378,"buy":7.814,"sell":7.914,"last":7.82}}
245 2011-05-17 01:43:06 <bd_> 3) Wallets. These participants don't have a full block record and are thus incapable of verifying transactions themselves; they rely on gateways to do this (the paranoid may run their own gateway locally). However, they maintain a database of private keys and can commit to new transactions, which are sent to a gateway to be introduced to the network
246 2011-05-17 01:43:16 <luke-jr> da2ce7: bd_: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Wallet_protocol
247 2011-05-17 01:43:38 <bd_> 4) Clients. These are thin GUIs above a wallet; they don't maintain the core wallet keys themselves, but instead farm off the details to the wallet server. Ideal for mobile devices, etc.
248 2011-05-17 01:44:15 <Raccoon> re: bitcoin messages
249 2011-05-17 01:44:38 <Raccoon> the problem with creating an independent network purely for message sending, is raising its popularity to the level of bitcoin.
250 2011-05-17 01:44:57 <Raccoon> a good 'anonymous network' requires thousands if not millions of users.
251 2011-05-17 01:45:04 <Raccoon> can't just have 2 people running it.
252 2011-05-17 01:45:08 <bd_> luke-jr: The thing I don't like about that protocol is it doesn't provide a clear distinction between miners, gateways, and wallets
253 2011-05-17 01:45:11 <da2ce7> luke-jr, the wallet proticol is on the other side...
254 2011-05-17 01:45:33 <bd_> I could see someone wanting to run a website that works with bitcoins; they may be able to run their own wallet, but don't want to have to deal with the full block chain verification
255 2011-05-17 01:45:35 <luke-jr> bd_: that page is for the concept. the draft is just that.
256 2011-05-17 01:45:51 <Raccoon> bd_: isn't there already one like that?
257 2011-05-17 01:45:52 <bd_> Thus, ideally they should be able to just download transactions of interest to themselves, and upload raw transactions to the network
258 2011-05-17 01:45:52 <luke-jr> bd_: and in both cases, there is such a clear distinction
259 2011-05-17 01:45:59 <bd_> Raccoon: Maybe. I haven't been paying attention :)
260 2011-05-17 01:46:09 <Raccoon> i think it's mentioned on the main bitcoin.org page
261 2011-05-17 01:46:21 <bd_> well, if it's implemented, nevermind then :)
262 2011-05-17 01:46:30 <Raccoon> i haven't looked into it myself
263 2011-05-17 01:46:34 <bd_> Raccoon: Use i2p if you want anonymous messaging
264 2011-05-17 01:46:43 <bd_> Or freenet for that matter
265 2011-05-17 01:46:48 * Raccoon looks up i2p
266 2011-05-17 01:46:52 <bd_> or gnunet
267 2011-05-17 01:47:00 <bd_> they're both much better suited to transient messaging than bitcoin
268 2011-05-17 01:47:03 <Raccoon> all these things are laggy though, are they not?
269 2011-05-17 01:47:07 <Raccoon> eg, TOR
270 2011-05-17 01:47:32 <bd_> Raccoon: tor and i2p are a LOT faster than bitcoin's worst case
271 2011-05-17 01:47:44 <Raccoon> huh.
272 2011-05-17 01:47:49 <bd_> they also provide better anonymity
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274 2011-05-17 01:47:58 <bd_> bitcoin has exactly ZERO protection against traffic analysis
275 2011-05-17 01:48:08 <Raccoon> yet :P
276 2011-05-17 01:48:22 <bd_> Ever.
277 2011-05-17 01:48:38 <Raccoon> traffic isn't even SSL?
278 2011-05-17 01:48:51 <bd_> The bitcoin network is not for anonymity. Period. You can use it as a building block for an anonymous money transfer system. But it isn't it.
279 2011-05-17 01:48:54 <bd_> Raccoon: It doesn't need to be.
280 2011-05-17 01:49:06 <bd_> What can anyone do?
281 2011-05-17 01:49:09 <Raccoon> SSL prevents against basic packet shaping
282 2011-05-17 01:49:14 <da2ce7> luke-jr, bd_, updated.
283 2011-05-17 01:49:15 <da2ce7> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/867
284 2011-05-17 01:49:24 <bd_> Eve can... see what transaction you made. But so can anyone else, because it's broadcasted.
285 2011-05-17 01:49:28 <hyperjacker> why is that when i tried the proxy setting it wont even attempt to connect?
286 2011-05-17 01:49:37 <bd_> Mallory can... block your transaction. But he could with SSL anyway, just drop packets.
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290 2011-05-17 01:49:55 <bd_> So you don't need SSL - it doesn't give you any security
291 2011-05-17 01:49:58 <Raccoon> with SSL, he'd have to drop ALL packets
292 2011-05-17 01:50:08 <bd_> Raccoon: Uh, no, that's not what SSL protects against
293 2011-05-17 01:50:15 <bd_> it's trivially easy for mallory to kill a SSL session
294 2011-05-17 01:50:19 <bd_> he just injects a corrupt packet in
295 2011-05-17 01:50:19 <Raccoon> not knowing which are bitcoin and which are www.bankofamerica.com
296 2011-05-17 01:50:28 <bd_> SSL thinks this is a forgery and drops the connection
297 2011-05-17 01:50:35 <bd_> Raccoon: Er? What attack are you conceiving?
298 2011-05-17 01:50:49 <bd_> bankofamerica.com doesn't speak the bitcoin protocol.
299 2011-05-17 01:50:51 <Raccoon> you're talking about interrupting an SSL session
300 2011-05-17 01:51:09 <bd_> Yes. I'm saying, the transactions and blocks have, built in, nonrepudiation.
301 2011-05-17 01:51:10 <Raccoon> why would Malroy
302 2011-05-17 01:51:23 <bd_> So Mallory can't mess with their contents
303 2011-05-17 01:51:33 <Raccoon> at least with SSL, it's difficult to scrape a packet and analyze the network for identical packets
304 2011-05-17 01:51:33 <bd_> He can block their transmission, but Mallory is assumed to have this ability anyway
305 2011-05-17 01:51:51 <Raccoon> who cares if he can
306 2011-05-17 01:51:59 <Raccoon> anyone with a paperclip on an ethernet cable can.
307 2011-05-17 01:52:03 <bd_> Raccoon: No, but you can see that the user sent a message to all of their peers at at time X, and at time X+smallvalue all of their peers forwarded the same transaction
308 2011-05-17 01:52:22 <Raccoon> i'm talking about traffic analysis
309 2011-05-17 01:52:27 <Raccoon> not DDoS
310 2011-05-17 01:52:28 <hyperjacker> why cant i point the bitcoin client at a proxy?
311 2011-05-17 01:52:36 <bd_> Raccoon: I'm not talking about DDoS either.
312 2011-05-17 01:52:44 <Raccoon> and no
313 2011-05-17 01:52:47 <hyperjacker> when i try it wont connect at all
314 2011-05-17 01:52:47 <bd_> So here's the thing:
315 2011-05-17 01:52:53 <bd_> Bitcoin is a broadcast network
316 2011-05-17 01:52:53 <Raccoon> you can't see that ANYONE forwarded the same transaction
317 2011-05-17 01:52:59 <bd_> When you make a transaction, it is sent to EVERYONE
318 2011-05-17 01:52:59 <Raccoon> the transaction is different from each peer
319 2011-05-17 01:53:02 <Raccoon> doy
320 2011-05-17 01:53:07 <Raccoon> SSL
321 2011-05-17 01:53:16 <bd_> It is exactly the same transaction, as well. This is vital for bitcoin to work properly. It cannot be changed.
322 2011-05-17 01:53:19 <Raccoon> each 'everyone' gets a different SSL encrypted packet
323 2011-05-17 01:53:24 <Raccoon> you can't see what's beneath
324 2011-05-17 01:53:28 <bd_> Now, let's look at this scenario:
325 2011-05-17 01:53:29 <Raccoon> so all data looks unique
326 2011-05-17 01:53:35 vorlov has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
327 2011-05-17 01:53:45 <Raccoon> it's the individual packet uniqueness that adds a layer of anonymity
328 2011-05-17 01:53:45 <bd_> 1) The FBI connects to you, via SSL. Your bitcoin client accepts the connection and forwards your transactions. Oops.
329 2011-05-17 01:54:10 <Raccoon> you can't trace the packet route any further than 1 peer
330 2011-05-17 01:54:10 <Diablo-D3> bd_: over tor? :D
331 2011-05-17 01:54:15 <Raccoon> because of SSL
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333 2011-05-17 01:54:23 <Diablo-D3> Raccoon: not true
334 2011-05-17 01:54:29 <bd_> 2) Your client is configured to connect to only trusted peers. So the FBI monitors _when_ you send data out, and also connects to all of your peers. They see a burst of encrypted data, then a transaction coming out of all of your peers shortly after. It's probably the txn you sent.
335 2011-05-17 01:54:29 <Diablo-D3> its the "router blinking lights" problem
336 2011-05-17 01:54:33 <da2ce7> png version: http://hostinga.imagecross.com/image-hosting-01/9527Bitcoin-Block-tx-IPC-wallet.png
337 2011-05-17 01:54:35 <Diablo-D3> you'd need significant tx traffic to cover it up
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339 2011-05-17 01:54:43 <Diablo-D3> bd just covered it
340 2011-05-17 01:54:55 <hyperjacker> how long does it take the client to reconnect?
341 2011-05-17 01:55:01 <bd_> Raccoon: So to protect this you need to have cover traffic. This is outside of bitcoin's design goals and will never be implemented on the core network. Just run bitcoin protocol over i2p or tor or something.
342 2011-05-17 01:55:02 <Raccoon> bd_, how many packets a second are we talking about.
343 2011-05-17 01:55:12 <Raccoon> after a few hops, it gets conjested
344 2011-05-17 01:55:30 <Raccoon> why make it easier by not using SSL
345 2011-05-17 01:55:35 <bd_> Raccoon: With bitcoin's current level of traffic, you could probably get quite reliable results a few hops out
346 2011-05-17 01:55:44 <bd_> and again, this is outside of bitcoin's design scopr
347 2011-05-17 01:55:44 <Raccoon> as it stands
348 2011-05-17 01:55:51 <bd_> bitcoin is not an anonymity network
349 2011-05-17 01:55:54 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik * rd4e133a132e5 pushpool/server.c: Enable TCP keepalives on client sockets. http://tinyurl.com/64a89zf
350 2011-05-17 01:56:06 <bd_> I really wish people would stop calling it that too. It has really, really poor anonymity by itself.
351 2011-05-17 01:56:10 <Raccoon> a Sprint switch in California can match a packet against an ATT switch in New York (logged traffic), because it's clear.
352 2011-05-17 01:56:19 <Raccoon> without any live monitoring
353 2011-05-17 01:56:21 <bd_> Raccoon: I'm not talking about matching the content of packets here.
354 2011-05-17 01:56:24 <Raccoon> I am.
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356 2011-05-17 01:56:28 <bd_> I'm only talking about monitoring when you transmit
357 2011-05-17 01:56:31 <Raccoon> and packet contents match without SSL
358 2011-05-17 01:56:39 <Raccoon> so that is the obvious attack to use
359 2011-05-17 01:56:45 <Raccoon> just compare logs
360 2011-05-17 01:57:27 <bd_> Raccoon: So, here's the other question. Let's say we're using SSL. Fine. Who are you talking to?
361 2011-05-17 01:57:29 <Raccoon> or hell, grep all packets for specific addresses
362 2011-05-17 01:57:36 <Raccoon> since they're clear
363 2011-05-17 01:57:37 <bd_> SSL is all about knowing who you're talking to, so mallory can't MITM you.
364 2011-05-17 01:57:44 <bd_> But bitcoin connects out to, literally, random people.
365 2011-05-17 01:57:51 <bd_> Why can't $enemy just connect to you directly?
366 2011-05-17 01:57:56 <Raccoon> bd_, that's fine
367 2011-05-17 01:58:12 <Raccoon> but $enemy has to find you first
368 2011-05-17 01:58:22 <Raccoon> with clear packets 20 hops away, they can back track you
369 2011-05-17 01:58:31 <bd_> Raccoon: Or they can simply connect to every bitcoin node
370 2011-05-17 01:58:33 <Raccoon> casually
371 2011-05-17 01:58:36 <Raccoon> yeah
372 2011-05-17 01:58:38 <Raccoon> that's gonna happen
373 2011-05-17 01:58:41 <Raccoon> suure
374 2011-05-17 01:58:43 <bd_> Raccoon: It's easy, really.
375 2011-05-17 01:58:49 <bd_> get a handful of EC2 nodes
376 2011-05-17 01:58:54 <Raccoon> why not connect to every bittorrent client
377 2011-05-17 01:58:54 <bd_> don't forward txns yourself
378 2011-05-17 01:58:58 <bd_> connect to every client
379 2011-05-17 01:59:01 <bd_> easy stuff.
380 2011-05-17 01:59:04 <bd_> seriously.
381 2011-05-17 01:59:25 <bd_> My point is, and let me make this absolutely clear:
382 2011-05-17 01:59:52 <bd_> * SSL protects against exactly one attack: An after-the-fact search of transaction hashes in monitoring devices attached to core routers
383 2011-05-17 02:00:09 <Raccoon> that is exactly the attack i think needs to be hindered.
384 2011-05-17 02:00:16 <bd_> * SSL does not protect against: Transaction source/destination correlation; traffic analysis; malicious peer attacks
385 2011-05-17 02:00:20 <Raccoon> logging of transactions for searches
386 2011-05-17 02:00:35 <bd_> These latter attacks are _much_ easier to carry out than the attack you propose
387 2011-05-17 02:00:39 <bd_> so you get zero security
388 2011-05-17 02:00:42 <Raccoon> which is what we do with email
389 2011-05-17 02:00:45 <bd_> and you make things more complex
390 2011-05-17 02:01:01 <bd_> The reason SSL works for e-commerce and email is you know who you're talking to
391 2011-05-17 02:01:10 <bd_> Therefore, you can verify you're not talking to someone else
392 2011-05-17 02:01:15 <Raccoon> email isn't encrypted
393 2011-05-17 02:01:19 <bd_> The reason it doesn't work for bitcoin is you're talking to everyone. Inherently.
394 2011-05-17 02:01:35 <Raccoon> at least not end-to-end
395 2011-05-17 02:01:37 <bd_> Raccoon: okay, X.509 certificates with encryption for email, fine
396 2011-05-17 02:01:41 <bd_> close eough
397 2011-05-17 02:01:44 <Raccoon> not really
398 2011-05-17 02:01:48 <Raccoon> Carnivore
399 2011-05-17 02:02:01 <Raccoon> does exactly what i'm talking about
400 2011-05-17 02:02:03 <bd_> Raccoon: Yes, really. X.509 encryption with email, although rarely used in fact, will give you end-to-end encryption for emails
401 2011-05-17 02:02:09 <bd_> PGP will do the same
402 2011-05-17 02:02:13 <sneak> bd_: so will PGP, and it's not rarely used
403 2011-05-17 02:02:17 <bd_> point is, the common thread is you know who you're talking to
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405 2011-05-17 02:02:29 <bd_> with bitcoin, you talk to everyone
406 2011-05-17 02:02:34 <sneak> there's no point in encrypting if you don't know who you're talking to
407 2011-05-17 02:02:38 <bd_> point-to-point encryption will not help you here, at all
408 2011-05-17 02:02:47 <bd_> What you really need is to just mask the source of the data
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410 2011-05-17 02:02:55 <bd_> This requires more than just point-to-point encryption
411 2011-05-17 02:03:02 <bd_> it requires onion routing through a mixnet with cover traffic
412 2011-05-17 02:03:09 <bd_> Bitcoin does not do this, nor should it do this
413 2011-05-17 02:03:10 <Raccoon> it keeps Mallroy from hearing you scream BITCOIN in a crowded room.
414 2011-05-17 02:03:16 <bd_> i2p and tor have already solved this problem
415 2011-05-17 02:03:24 <Raccoon> instead all he hears is HAMSTER and shrugs it off
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417 2011-05-17 02:03:39 <bd_> Raccoon: They know you're screaming BITCOIN when you have open TCP sessions to ten known bitcoin routers
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419 2011-05-17 02:03:54 <Raccoon> what if you don't
420 2011-05-17 02:04:00 <bd_> Raccoon: So now we want a darknet.
421 2011-05-17 02:04:08 <Raccoon> or a direct peer?
422 2011-05-17 02:04:13 <Raccoon> remember. decentralized
423 2011-05-17 02:04:18 <bd_> Okay. Now how do you keep your darknet graph a secret?
424 2011-05-17 02:04:33 <Raccoon> what about a local network gateway?
425 2011-05-17 02:04:40 <Raccoon> magnet exchange
426 2011-05-17 02:04:43 <Raccoon> whatever
427 2011-05-17 02:04:46 <bd_> Raccoon: if you're on a local network the $enemy will target your gateway
428 2011-05-17 02:04:54 <bd_> anyway, my point is
429 2011-05-17 02:05:01 <bd_> all of these problems have been solved by i2p and tor
430 2011-05-17 02:05:10 <Raccoon> can bitcoin be used over those?
431 2011-05-17 02:05:15 <bd_> Sure, in principle.
432 2011-05-17 02:05:19 <Raccoon> today?
433 2011-05-17 02:05:36 <bd_> Tor, yes, with at most a few minutes' work
434 2011-05-17 02:05:45 <bd_> i2p, yes, with at most a few hours' work
435 2011-05-17 02:05:54 <Raccoon> with a windows binary that was compiled prior to Mon May 16 19:58:59 2011 ?
436 2011-05-17 02:06:04 <bd_> Raccoon: Good luck getting SSL to work with that! :)
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438 2011-05-17 02:06:14 <bd_> point is, it's easier to implement than SSL, and it's _more secure than SSL_
439 2011-05-17 02:06:29 <Raccoon> alright.
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441 2011-05-17 02:08:34 <EPiSKiNG> what's the best core clocks you guys have gotten for a stock voltage 5970?
442 2011-05-17 02:08:57 <bd_> Raccoon: also, and I want to make this perfectly clear: There's a lot of correlation analysis that can be done even over a mixnet
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446 2011-05-17 02:09:20 <bd_> Raccoon: Every transaction, as you know, references some set of prior transactions, and typically has two outputs: One will be your payment, and one will be your 'change'
447 2011-05-17 02:09:33 <bd_> If you trace the history of the 'change', you can identify patterns
448 2011-05-17 02:09:41 <bd_> This is a lot easier if people reuse receiving addresses
449 2011-05-17 02:10:27 <bd_> it's unclear exactly how much information can be extracted from this; however, if you send someone some bitcoins, wait a bit, then have them pay you, you can try to trace the shortest path between those two points, for exampl
450 2011-05-17 02:10:31 <bd_> e
451 2011-05-17 02:10:33 <bd_> and grab all the transactions in between
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453 2011-05-17 02:13:05 <Raccoon> that's something else i was thinking about.
454 2011-05-17 02:13:21 <Raccoon> it would be neat if the bitcoin wallet would only spend the oldest bitcoins first
455 2011-05-17 02:13:29 <Raccoon> or allow you to put bitcoins "on ice"
456 2011-05-17 02:13:49 <Raccoon> that way transactions aren't quite as speedily "turned around"
457 2011-05-17 02:13:59 <bd_> fast turnaroud might actually be a good thing
458 2011-05-17 02:14:11 <Raccoon> eh?
459 2011-05-17 02:14:22 <bd_> the region they can reliably trace is the region between when you received the tracer coins, and when you made the last payment based on them
460 2011-05-17 02:14:32 <bd_> or, alternately, when you pay their tracer account
461 2011-05-17 02:14:40 <bd_> if you were to receive 1 BTC from $enemy today
462 2011-05-17 02:14:51 <bd_> three years later give then 1 BTC (they're under a different name ofc)
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464 2011-05-17 02:15:10 <bd_> then they can try to trace the entire history between those two events, by taking the shortest path through the transaction graph
465 2011-05-17 02:15:15 <Raccoon> imagine if you had two bitcoin wallets. one for sending/receiving with Group A, and one for sending/receiving with Group B. You would never send/receive between those two wallets, thereby never connecting Group A to Group B
466 2011-05-17 02:15:26 <Raccoon> something like that would be kind of nice.
467 2011-05-17 02:15:27 <bd_> right, separate wallets is a good idea certainly
468 2011-05-17 02:15:42 <bd_> then the question is how to transfer funds
469 2011-05-17 02:15:52 <Raccoon> and i think at the very least, allowing coins to "cool down" is a small step toward that.
470 2011-05-17 02:16:05 <bd_> and again, cooling down might make things worse :)
471 2011-05-17 02:16:06 <Raccoon> it at least masks what your immediate dealings are
472 2011-05-17 02:16:20 <bd_> that said
473 2011-05-17 02:16:37 <bd_> also keep in mind that once you start intentionally trying to hide transaction history, money laundering statutes may come into play
474 2011-05-17 02:16:49 <Raccoon> not if the client plays that way to begin with
475 2011-05-17 02:17:12 <bd_> It's all about intent. If you chose that client for that reason...
476 2011-05-17 02:17:30 <Raccoon> 'its the only client'
477 2011-05-17 02:17:42 <bd_> except it won't be for long :)
478 2011-05-17 02:17:43 <Raccoon> i suggest that as a core feature
479 2011-05-17 02:18:04 <Raccoon> i don't know how the wallet behaves right now
480 2011-05-17 02:18:14 <Raccoon> does it spend out most recent or oldest coins first?
481 2011-05-17 02:18:18 <bd_> except that you can't force any client to implement any specific such functionality
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483 2011-05-17 02:19:43 <Raccoon> it should be a client option.
484 2011-05-17 02:19:55 <bd_> Raccoon: it's currently random
485 2011-05-17 02:19:56 <Raccoon> 'spend oldest coins first'. 'spend coins with fewest number of addresses'
486 2011-05-17 02:20:12 <Raccoon> 'spend exact matching amounts first'
487 2011-05-17 02:20:20 <Raccoon> 'spend this address'
488 2011-05-17 02:20:22 <bd_> Raccoon: What makes you think any of those options will be more secure? :)
489 2011-05-17 02:20:31 <bd_> You can't just guess here.
490 2011-05-17 02:20:32 <Raccoon> it lets you choose the path
491 2011-05-17 02:20:38 <Raccoon> so you know what you get
492 2011-05-17 02:20:47 <bd_> spend exact matching amounts first = now they know which txn was change for the previous txn
493 2011-05-17 02:20:50 <theymos> sirius: IP detection is broken on the forum. I had to disable the 5 second post limit per IP because everyone is seen as being from the same "unknown" IP.
494 2011-05-17 02:20:53 <bd_> (to a high degree of confidence)
495 2011-05-17 02:21:12 <Raccoon> bd_. again, it may be desirable, it may not be.
496 2011-05-17 02:21:19 <bd_> spend oldest coins first = high mixrate _within your wallet_, making it potentially easier to trace
497 2011-05-17 02:21:38 <Raccoon> actually, high mixrate is from spending too many addresses in one tx
498 2011-05-17 02:21:40 <bd_> spend coins w/ fewest number of addresses -- is this talking about txouts or txins?
499 2011-05-17 02:21:57 <Raccoon> which is why i suggested that 'spend exact'
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501 2011-05-17 02:22:14 <bd_> Raccoon: spend oldest first will continually turn old coins into new coins (change). This rotation will act to mix the histories of all the coins in your wallet
502 2011-05-17 02:22:21 <bd_> And will likely be visible in history
503 2011-05-17 02:22:31 <Raccoon> as long as that mix is mixed
504 2011-05-17 02:23:01 <Raccoon> the more mix in the network as a whole, the better
505 2011-05-17 02:23:19 <bd_> Mixing within your own wallet only worsens your security
506 2011-05-17 02:23:24 <Raccoon> no
507 2011-05-17 02:23:25 <bd_> mixing with other people's coins - this is useful
508 2011-05-17 02:23:33 <Raccoon> because you are blending old with new paths
509 2011-05-17 02:23:35 <bd_> mixing within your own wallet eliminates isolation between your own coins
510 2011-05-17 02:23:53 <Raccoon> why would you prefer spending most recent
511 2011-05-17 02:23:58 <Raccoon> over spending least recent
512 2011-05-17 02:24:35 <bd_> Raccoon: As I mentioned before, if the attacker can identify two transactions that were definitively to or from your wallet, they can trace your wallet activity by taking the shortest path between those two nodes in the txn graph
513 2011-05-17 02:25:05 <bd_> the more txns between those two marker transactions, the more transactions will be revealed to the attacker
514 2011-05-17 02:25:25 <bd_> If you use oldest first, you will have the effect of mixing all of your coins together, creating a path through them all
515 2011-05-17 02:26:06 <bd_> If you use newest first, you have a chance of eliminating coins from the trace by spending them before they mix with older marker transactions
516 2011-05-17 02:26:12 <bd_> It's not certain, of course.
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520 2011-05-17 02:27:25 <bd_> An ideal mix would take in a number of equal-value transactions from independent parties, and put out an equal number of equal-value transactions in random order to one-time-use destination keys
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530 2011-05-17 02:47:21 <nefario> I've a string here, can anyone tell me what encoding it is?
531 2011-05-17 02:47:38 <nefario> \x87e\xFE\xDE4U\x17\xC7tM\x99\xA7\xA7u)\xBD\x8E\x19\xA8}\xB3\xEB\x95\xEDF\x87\xAC\x8D\x7F\x8A\x82\x82\x80\xB47?\xBF\xD1H\xAC\xD0\xC4r-\x01$\xA3M\xA6\xC2n\x95^N\xE9\xF5\xB3\xA9 \xA9\x9CZe\x0F\xA0\xDF\xFD\xB1*9o3
532 2011-05-17 02:48:31 <gjs278> zalgo
533 2011-05-17 02:48:45 <nefario> funny
534 2011-05-17 02:48:58 <nefario> I mean number encoding
535 2011-05-17 02:49:11 <nefario> this is the output of openssl when I sign something
536 2011-05-17 02:50:45 <nefario> ok, figured it out, hex
537 2011-05-17 02:50:46 <phantomcircuit> nefario, you mean of pyopenssl?
538 2011-05-17 02:50:56 <nefario> actually ruby's openssl
539 2011-05-17 02:51:10 <nefario> pyopenssl would probably be similar
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542 2011-05-17 02:51:42 <phantomcircuit> nefario, it's the binary encoding, which function specifically did you use?
543 2011-05-17 02:52:13 <nefario> privatekey.sign(SHA512,"abcd")
544 2011-05-17 02:53:21 <nefario> it's the signature of "abcd"
545 2011-05-17 02:53:37 <nefario> openssl outputs the sig as binary AFAIK
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555 2011-05-17 03:23:06 <Nesetalis> nefario, it looks like zlib
556 2011-05-17 03:23:24 <nefario> zlib output
557 2011-05-17 03:23:32 <nefario> zipped?
558 2011-05-17 03:24:28 <Nesetalis> >>> 'derp me in the mouth.'.encode('zlib')
559 2011-05-17 03:24:28 <Nesetalis> 'x\x9cKI-*P\xc8MU\xc8\xccS(\xc9HU\xc8\xcd/-\xc9\xd0\x03\x00R\x1a\x07q'
560 2011-05-17 03:24:32 <Nesetalis> in python :p
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562 2011-05-17 03:25:03 <Nesetalis> but thats not all, its not in the right format
563 2011-05-17 03:25:06 <nefario> \x
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565 2011-05-17 03:25:21 <Nesetalis> so its not zlib.. or if it is, its been mangled
566 2011-05-17 03:25:23 <nefario> is the unix form of hex encoding
567 2011-05-17 03:25:28 <wolfman2k11> How is everyone today?
568 2011-05-17 03:25:30 <Nesetalis> aye
569 2011-05-17 03:25:43 <Nesetalis> but without more information, theres no way to know its encoding.
570 2011-05-17 03:26:07 <Nesetalis> :p
571 2011-05-17 03:26:14 <Nesetalis> i just know it looks like zlib encoding output
572 2011-05-17 03:26:16 Moonies has quit (Quit: quack)
573 2011-05-17 03:26:17 <Nesetalis> so..
574 2011-05-17 03:26:29 <nefario> I'll pay 100 bitcoins to anyone who can get javascript to sign something using RSA private keys that can then be verified with Openssl using the RSA public key
575 2011-05-17 03:26:32 <wolfman2k11> So, I just found out about this whole "bitcoin" venture, and I was wanting some opinions about it
576 2011-05-17 03:26:53 <wolfman2k11> Good or bad
577 2011-05-17 03:26:57 <Nesetalis> what do you want to kno wabout it wolfman2k11?
578 2011-05-17 03:27:07 <Nesetalis> its just currency, so its evil :p as money is the root of all evil.
579 2011-05-17 03:27:42 <wolfman2k11> How does it work exactly? I mean, do I buy them or... I mean, I read through the faq's and whatnot, but I guess I feel I'm still missing something..
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581 2011-05-17 03:27:59 <Nesetalis> its.. currency.. you earn them, buy in to it, or steal it :p
582 2011-05-17 03:28:10 <Nesetalis> or.. if you have alot of processing power, you can mine
583 2011-05-17 03:28:23 <wolfman2k11> I see... how do you earn them? via the open source program?
584 2011-05-17 03:29:05 <wolfman2k11> I have a 2.4 GHz AMD Turion 2 Ultra with an ATI Radeon 4650 HD card
585 2011-05-17 03:29:45 <ntosme2> wolfman2k11: unfortunately that won't be very useful for this application
586 2011-05-17 03:29:46 <Nesetalis> earn them by doing work for some one who wants to pay you in bitcoin? :p
587 2011-05-17 03:30:10 <wolfman2k11> I see... makes sense
588 2011-05-17 03:30:50 <wolfman2k11> @ ntosme: what do u mean? how so?
589 2011-05-17 03:30:53 <Nesetalis> i've made a few bitcoins mining.. but it's not efficient unless you haev a newer radeon card.. 5900~ are good
590 2011-05-17 03:31:27 <jlewis> luke-jr: pool down?
591 2011-05-17 03:31:36 <luke-jr> jlewis: just US
592 2011-05-17 03:31:54 <jlewis> should i point my miners elsewhere?
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594 2011-05-17 03:32:05 <luke-jr> eu.mining.eligius.st
595 2011-05-17 03:32:49 <jlewis> same port?
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597 2011-05-17 03:33:31 <luke-jr> yes
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604 2011-05-17 03:37:05 <jlewis> luke-jr: where can i get stats for that address?
605 2011-05-17 03:37:28 <luke-jr> jlewis: http://eligius.st/~luke-jr/raw/
606 2011-05-17 03:37:40 <jlewis> great, thanks
607 2011-05-17 03:37:55 <luke-jr> php is broken atm
608 2011-05-17 03:40:12 <jlewis> current_block also doesn't seem to have my address, but presumably that'll update
609 2011-05-17 03:41:56 <luke-jr> as soon as your balance goes over 1 BTC
610 2011-05-17 03:42:02 <sacarlson> I'm not getting any -testnet transactions from faucet with git f441949515fb76acad2e5987f5fcddbd804ba5c5 is it working the facet or this git?
611 2011-05-17 03:42:03 <jlewis> gotit
612 2011-05-17 03:42:17 <luke-jr> which may be a while-- we've been working on this block for some time now
613 2011-05-17 03:42:54 <sacarlson> on my console I see ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 969e7c8ca5 mapTransactions prev not found 4b226e31f1
614 2011-05-17 03:42:54 <sacarlson> ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed 969e7c8ca5
615 2011-05-17 03:46:06 <sacarlson> anyone have any -testnet coin to see if I can get a transaction on -testnet mrMkNS9n8aguJtzU67sC7z6fjB5LryXtSc .02 qty is fine
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617 2011-05-17 03:52:39 <io_error> ...waiting for block chain
618 2011-05-17 03:53:50 <io_error> sacarlson: Sent you a 0.22 on testnet
619 2011-05-17 03:54:01 <sacarlson> io_error: thank you sir
620 2011-05-17 03:54:23 <io_error> Haha, it says: Balance: 1,050.00
621 2011-05-17 03:54:30 <sacarlson> io_error: same error
622 2011-05-17 03:54:31 <io_error> I WISH that wasn't on testnet
623 2011-05-17 03:55:05 <sacarlson> io_error: I think I'll pull back from this git and find something that's still working
624 2011-05-17 03:55:16 <io_error> sacarlson: Do you have any connections?
625 2011-05-17 03:55:31 <sacarlson> yes it shows 8 connections
626 2011-05-17 03:55:47 <io_error> ah, hang out..I only have 1 connections on testnet
627 2011-05-17 03:56:26 <sacarlson> io_error: what is the tx no
628 2011-05-17 03:56:41 <io_error> ha, now 6 connections
629 2011-05-17 03:57:08 <sacarlson> io_error: is this your tx 2eaaa5300b0028b9b4a1
630 2011-05-17 03:57:31 <io_error> I think so
631 2011-05-17 03:57:42 <sacarlson> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2eaaa5300b mapTransactions prev not found 60e9432806
632 2011-05-17 03:57:42 <sacarlson> ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed 2eaaa5300b
633 2011-05-17 03:57:42 <sacarlson> storing orphan tx 2eaaa5300b
634 2011-05-17 03:58:02 <io_error> it was paid from a generated coin
635 2011-05-17 03:58:25 <sacarlson> ok I"ll at least wait for the next block to see if it changes then
636 2011-05-17 03:59:07 <io_error> Someone had better start testnet mining then :)
637 2011-05-17 03:59:09 <sacarlson> io_error: maybe this git reset the -testnet again?
638 2011-05-17 03:59:36 <LobsterMan> do ALL transactions have a .01 fee now?
639 2011-05-17 03:59:36 <io_error> I think if testnet had been reset, that bitcoin would be complaining very loudly
640 2011-05-17 03:59:49 <io_error> LobsterMan: no
641 2011-05-17 03:59:53 <sacarlson> io_error: I show "blocks" : 11195,
642 2011-05-17 04:00:28 <io_error> I see 19407 blocks on testnet
643 2011-05-17 04:00:33 <io_error> blockexplorer shows the same
644 2011-05-17 04:00:53 <sacarlson> io_error: oh maybe that's the older -testnet block
645 2011-05-17 04:01:08 <Ctylersmith> This might sound a bit ridiculous, but QUICK: SOMEONE SELL ME ON BITCOIN =]
646 2011-05-17 04:01:10 <sacarlson> or I just havn't got them all yet
647 2011-05-17 04:01:23 <Ctylersmith> I prefer human interaction to long scrawls of text. =\
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649 2011-05-17 04:01:54 <io_error> Ctylersmith: In this channel you can watch Bitcoin developers slave over the source code. :)
650 2011-05-17 04:02:23 <Ctylersmith> Aww.
651 2011-05-17 04:02:57 <io_error> sacarlson: I'd just kill your testnet database and redownload the whole blockchain, it's short :)
652 2011-05-17 04:03:05 <Ctylersmith> well, as a layman, I was actually looking for a validation as to why the code works and doesn't have huge glaring inherent flaws [all code is flawed, I'm just trying to understand why it works good enough]
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654 2011-05-17 04:03:26 <Ctylersmith> I know that sounds hugely vague, but I'm unsure how else to phrase it
655 2011-05-17 04:03:37 <sacarlson> io_error: it took 8 hours to download the block chain for main
656 2011-05-17 04:03:47 <meadowlark> Where are linux build instructions?
657 2011-05-17 04:03:54 <io_error> sacarlson: Slow ISP?
658 2011-05-17 04:05:36 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
659 2011-05-17 04:05:37 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.5,"low":6.953,"vol":37097,"buy":7.675,"sell":7.7433,"last":7.7262}}
660 2011-05-17 04:05:46 <sacarlson> io_error: no it seems the group that I connect stop feeding me and when I reset I notice I get more blocks
661 2011-05-17 04:05:56 <io_error> Ctylersmith: I'm NOT a core bitcoin developer and I've looked around the source code and read the technical papers.
662 2011-05-17 04:06:05 <io_error> sacarlson: Ahh, so there are some nodes on testnet not playing nice?
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664 2011-05-17 04:06:40 <io_error> Ctylersmith: I can say it works reasonably well, but if you don't read source code and scientific papers, you're always relying on third party opinions
665 2011-05-17 04:07:30 <sacarlson> io_error: well I'm trying to move my changes into this version but I can't even get this version to work
666 2011-05-17 04:07:57 <io_error> sacarlson: but the latest release works?
667 2011-05-17 04:08:11 <io_error> maybe time to git bisect
668 2011-05-17 04:08:21 <Ctylersmith> io_error: Indeed, that is true, my field of expertise certainly proves that true. I'm having a talented C++ friend of mine check through the code and validate/invalidate some of my concerns. I was just passing the time seeing if anyone else had any useful insight.
669 2011-05-17 04:08:43 <sacarlson> io_error: I assume it does the git version is above release and has had alot of changes the last 5 days
670 2011-05-17 04:09:00 <io_error> Ctylersmith: It would be nice if your friend shared his findings, e.g. on the bitcoin forum :)
671 2011-05-17 04:09:20 <io_error> sacarlson: LOL don't assume anything, go back to release and see if it works :)
672 2011-05-17 04:09:21 <sacarlson> io_error: so many changes my merge has many conflics and breaks it when I attempt to try it
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675 2011-05-17 04:09:42 <io_error> sacarlson: Oh yeah, I hate when that happens... definitely time for you to do some house cleaning :)
676 2011-05-17 04:10:02 <sacarlson> io_error: well I think my last working system is still above the release but the changes I need are in this version
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678 2011-05-17 04:10:25 <Ctylersmith> Iio_error: I'll see if he's interested. I'm extremely interested in monetary theory and have been for years. So, basically I'm really enjoying the innovative thought involved in BitCoin, I'm just trying to be responsibly hesitant. I'm not sure if my friend shares the same passion for monetary theory =P
679 2011-05-17 04:11:03 <io_error> Ctylersmith: You might join the more lively discussion in #bitcoin :)
680 2011-05-17 04:11:41 <Ctylersmith> IIndeed, I'll likely bounce over there.
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683 2011-05-17 04:12:08 <Ctylersmith> io_error: and apparently my I key hates me tonight.
684 2011-05-17 04:12:13 <io_error> sacarlson: more to the point, does the tree WITHOUT your changes work?
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686 2011-05-17 04:12:43 <sacarlson> io_error: that's what I'm running now and I see it just hasn't downloaded all the blocks yet
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688 2011-05-17 04:13:04 <io_error> sacarlson: ok, should be just a few minutes on your slow ISP :)
689 2011-05-17 04:13:06 <sacarlson> I just reset it and now it's pulling in more blocks
690 2011-05-17 04:13:12 <meadowlark> io_error: Where might I find instructions for building from source?
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692 2011-05-17 04:13:25 <sacarlson> io_error: my ISP cranks at 9meg
693 2011-05-17 04:13:38 <sacarlson> io_error: that's fast for me 900kb/sec
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695 2011-05-17 04:14:20 <sacarlson> meadowlark: what platform?
696 2011-05-17 04:14:25 <meadowlark> Linux
697 2011-05-17 04:14:26 Strom has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
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699 2011-05-17 04:14:52 <sacarlson> meadowlark: should see info on bitcoin.org
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701 2011-05-17 04:15:18 <sacarlson> meadowlark: look for the git release
702 2011-05-17 04:15:21 <meadowlark> I find makefile.unix in the source folder, but instructions and/or dependencies are missing.
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704 2011-05-17 04:15:53 <sacarlson> meadowlark: in the docs section tells you all the dependencies
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706 2011-05-17 04:16:12 <io_error> Dependencies are going to be fun!
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709 2011-05-17 04:16:33 <sacarlson> meadowlark: in ubuntu it's not too bad it's just a few packages
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711 2011-05-17 04:17:05 <sacarlson> meadowlark: I'm presently working on a windows release but I mostly work in ubuntu
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713 2011-05-17 04:18:10 <Yeraze> So, I was told to bring this up here.. I'm kinda new to BitCoin, but I've had the client running for about an hour now..
714 2011-05-17 04:18:19 <Yeraze> I've got 0 connections, but 65000 Blocks.. is that normal?
715 2011-05-17 04:18:59 <sacarlson> Yeraze: it took me about 8 hours to get all the blocks on main, I would stop and start it a few times to get the blocks faster
716 2011-05-17 04:19:13 <sacarlson> oh 0 connections
717 2011-05-17 04:19:21 <sacarlson> try restart
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720 2011-05-17 04:20:17 <ne0futur> and check firewall
721 2011-05-17 04:20:31 <meadowlark> wx, boost, and openssl are dependecies. The doc README mentions openssl, but not the other libraries.
722 2011-05-17 04:20:40 <Yeraze> I just restarted it..
723 2011-05-17 04:20:55 <Yeraze> i'm on a Mac, PeerGuardian is disabled.. What else should I check?
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725 2011-05-17 04:21:53 <Yeraze> 1 connection.. and blocks tricling in again :)
726 2011-05-17 04:22:03 <meadowlark> sacarlson: On ubuntu, I obtain the error "/usr/include/wx-2.8/wx/cursor.h:65: error: âwxIsBusyâ was not declared in this scope" when running make -f makefile.unix
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731 2011-05-17 04:24:17 <io_error> meadowlark: You need wx 2.9
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733 2011-05-17 04:25:01 <meadowlark> Thank you io_error.
734 2011-05-17 04:25:23 <meadowlark> Also, thank you sacarlson.
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737 2011-05-17 04:28:04 <io_error> Ctylersmith: Indeed I think you will enjoy the discussions in #bitcoin right now
738 2011-05-17 04:28:26 <sacarlson> meadowlark: you can build the server without the wx libs
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747 2011-05-17 04:41:10 <sacarlson> io_error: I'm finally caught up with 19407 blocks but still see no transactions
748 2011-05-17 04:41:41 <io_error> and I haven't seen a block generated lately either
749 2011-05-17 04:41:43 <charliesheen_> hey, rpc troubles, set user, password, ipallow, port, ip and still have trouble connecting my miners over the internet
750 2011-05-17 04:42:03 <sacarlson> io_error: I see the difficulty is quite high now might take years
751 2011-05-17 04:42:05 <charliesheen_> iptable rules are set and can connect to other pools
752 2011-05-17 04:42:22 <io_error> sacarlson: Yeah, difficulty of 12, what a pain
753 2011-05-17 04:42:50 <sacarlson> io_error: I normaly run my own testnet chain but I can't run it with this version
754 2011-05-17 04:43:00 plato_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
755 2011-05-17 04:43:18 <io_error> Throw a GPU miner on testnet for a few minutes :)
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757 2011-05-17 04:43:54 <sacarlson> io_error: I'm poor I don't have one my network runs with a 400kh/sec with no problems
758 2011-05-17 04:44:17 <io_error> eh, I'll see if I can generate a while, the CPU miner is at least somewhat useful on testnet
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760 2011-05-17 04:45:16 <sacarlson> io_error: even at a difficulty of 1.000 it takes my system 1 hour to generate 1 block
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763 2011-05-17 04:45:44 <io_error> sacarlson: Fortunately I get about 7Mhash/sec on my CPU :)
764 2011-05-17 04:47:09 <sacarlson> ok I got a transaction now "txid" : "6013d2be697e05d7d6f218e228d6172c5b7ef28247e902b0813156f2cf1f361a",
765 2011-05-17 04:47:21 <sacarlson> maybe your minner did it?
766 2011-05-17 04:47:36 <io_error> probably :)
767 2011-05-17 04:48:09 <sacarlson> io_error: and that was with no blocks recieved
768 2011-05-17 04:48:39 <sacarlson> io_error: so maybe there was just no minners present
769 2011-05-17 04:48:55 <io_error> Quite possibly, there hadn't been a block in over an hour
770 2011-05-17 04:49:37 <sacarlson> io_error: well as soon as I recieve and send one transaction I continue work merging into my network
771 2011-05-17 04:52:36 <sacarlson> io_error: oh and this ammount "amount" : 0.11000000, that means it was from faucet
772 2011-05-17 04:52:51 <io_error> I sent a 0.22
773 2011-05-17 04:52:59 <sacarlson> io_error: oh ok
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775 2011-05-17 04:54:33 <io_error> Haven't found a block yet
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777 2011-05-17 04:59:05 <B0g4r7> Can you guys explain the use of the rpcconnect option to me?
778 2011-05-17 04:59:56 <B0g4r7> It looks like I could use it to connect to a remote bitcoind and examine the wallet, etc, but it doesn't seem to work for me.
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782 2011-05-17 05:01:35 <doublec> B0g4r7: the node you are trying to send commands to has to have --rpcallowip set to allow the IP you are sending from
783 2011-05-17 05:01:48 <doublec> B0g4r7: by default the RPC server interface only works on localhost
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787 2011-05-17 05:06:29 <B0g4r7> Still no luck after adding that.
788 2011-05-17 05:06:37 <B0g4r7> It shows the local wallet instead.
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791 2011-05-17 05:12:20 <sacarlson> B0g4r7: what command line options and commands did you try?
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794 2011-05-17 05:13:07 <sacarlson> B0g4r7: I assume your using bitcoind getinfo or something like that to read your server?
795 2011-05-17 05:16:06 <sacarlson> io_error: cool I got your .22 deposit with 1 confirm now and the 2 transactions from faucet but they got no confirm not sure why so who would like some free -testnet money?
796 2011-05-17 05:16:08 <jrmithdobbs> B0g4r7: you cannot remotely examine the wallet exactly. you can use listaccounts and getbalance and send/recv, but there is currently no way to have it dump the entire wallet
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798 2011-05-17 05:16:51 <jrmithdobbs> B0g4r7: there is a pull request in that would make what you want possible, though it still doesn't actually implement that specifically
799 2011-05-17 05:16:53 <gmaxwell> backupwallet will write to a file...
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802 2011-05-17 05:17:00 <io_error> sacarlson: nice, I see 2 confirms on it now
803 2011-05-17 05:17:03 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: on the remote machine
804 2011-05-17 05:17:13 <gmaxwell> Right.
805 2011-05-17 05:17:24 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: you can't dump to the rpcclient in 3.21 which means the client can't read it directly
806 2011-05-17 05:17:34 <gmaxwell> Then add SCP? :)
807 2011-05-17 05:18:03 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: sipa ((I think) has an export to json patch
808 2011-05-17 05:18:21 <io_error> LOL someone sent .12345678
809 2011-05-17 05:18:35 <sacarlson> io_error: ya and wow I didn't notice but I got 3 transactions from faucet I only recall asking for two
810 2011-05-17 05:18:36 <jrmithdobbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/220
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813 2011-05-17 05:19:09 <sacarlson> somebody give me an address to send to -testnet
814 2011-05-17 05:19:20 <io_error> mvHWioxDtFocByR1RcmNXhB3RCzeW3GvNd
815 2011-05-17 05:19:48 <sacarlson> io_error: I'm going to make you a rich man now with .33 million
816 2011-05-17 05:20:22 <gmaxwell> Testnet millionare.. and then you find out that wasn't a testnet ID and it's lost forever.
817 2011-05-17 05:20:35 <gmaxwell> all that testnet coin...gone.. poof.
818 2011-05-17 05:20:38 <io_error> sacarlson: Just received a 0.33
819 2011-05-17 05:20:47 <sacarlson> io_error: cool b2dc1da4699faf14a67888fac209a96730cfa8f24bf5cc699ba8caf0296f4ded
820 2011-05-17 05:20:57 <sacarlson> io_error: ok I'm happy
821 2011-05-17 05:21:21 <io_error> I'm not, I want 1050.33 real BTC :(
822 2011-05-17 05:21:44 <sacarlson> io_error: hay I'll try to fix that too
823 2011-05-17 05:22:25 <io_error> I'm stuck on nvidia, just bought a 5850 and it gets here wednesday
824 2011-05-17 05:22:41 <sacarlson> io_error: I just checked my pockets thinking I had 10 grand in there... oh ya I spent it on that yaht yestarday
825 2011-05-17 05:22:59 <sacarlson> io_error: just kiding
826 2011-05-17 05:23:06 <io_error> sacarlson: hahaha
827 2011-05-17 05:29:04 <sirius> server downtime for a few moments
828 2011-05-17 05:30:33 <sirius> and back
829 2011-05-17 05:31:03 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r6d62d2f / (2 files):
830 2011-05-17 05:31:03 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Merge pull request #222 from TheBlueMatt/lt
831 2011-05-17 05:31:03 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Add Lithuanian translation. - http://bit.ly/khmBsv
832 2011-05-17 05:35:34 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r112262c / src/net.cpp :
833 2011-05-17 05:35:34 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Merge pull request #221 from gavinandresen/portoption
834 2011-05-17 05:35:34 <CIA-103> bitcoin: -port option to listen on arbitrary port - http://bit.ly/m3n69o
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836 2011-05-17 05:44:47 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r270e944 / (doc/README doc/README_windows.txt): doc/README: bump version to 0.3.22 - http://bit.ly/ki5R5N
837 2011-05-17 05:44:48 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r0c97aa9 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin - http://bit.ly/jC13Sl
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848 2011-05-17 06:04:17 <sacarlson> oh I just noticed a fee on my testnet transaction "fee" : -0.00050000, I don't recall seeing that before
849 2011-05-17 06:06:27 <sacarlson> CIA-103: wow cool my listen port is in there so I don't have to fix it!!
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871 2011-05-17 06:52:22 <Diablo-D3> jesus I broke clc
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874 2011-05-17 06:55:03 <NvrBst> Greetings. May I ask, is there some trick to getting two ATI gpus to show up under a windows environment? (using latest drivers, ati stream 2.4, HD 6870)?
875 2011-05-17 06:55:20 <NvrBst> I can only see one via the miners, but, GPUX can see both *just says load on 2nd is 0%*.
876 2011-05-17 06:55:42 <NvrBst> crossfire disabled
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878 2011-05-17 06:59:06 <gjs278> do you have a montir plugged into the second gpu NvrBst
879 2011-05-17 06:59:09 <gjs278> you need to
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882 2011-05-17 06:59:35 <NvrBst> hehe, is there anyway I can fool it without a 2nd monitor?
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884 2011-05-17 07:00:53 <jazzanova_> hi. how can I interface programmatically with mt. gox to buy/sell bitcoin ?
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886 2011-05-17 07:01:57 <sipa> NvrBst: either a dummy plug, or use linux :)
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890 2011-05-17 07:02:11 <Diablo-D3> NvrBst: which miner?
891 2011-05-17 07:02:23 <NvrBst> I tried poclbm and pheonix
892 2011-05-17 07:02:50 <NvrBst> what is a dummy plug? I have a spare hdmi cable, but nothing to plug it into. I tried just pluging it in the back empty, but, didn't seem to work.
893 2011-05-17 07:02:59 <Diablo-D3> NvrBst: both of those only see one gpu at a time
894 2011-05-17 07:03:07 <Diablo-D3> either run more than one, or switch to DiabloMiner
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896 2011-05-17 07:04:01 <NvrBst> oww aye, i mean they only see one gpu, eventhough i have two in my machine. in ccc it has my 2nd gpu has "disabled" I see (unless i have monitor pluged in?).
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898 2011-05-17 07:04:24 <NvrBst> more-so, I wondering if there is a way to enable the 2nd card for bitcion mining without a 2nd monitor pluged in...
899 2011-05-17 07:04:32 <Diablo-D3> NvrBst: no I mean, you have to start a poclbm for each gpu.
900 2011-05-17 07:04:39 <Diablo-D3> one with -D 0, one with -D 1
901 2011-05-17 07:04:47 <Diablo-D3> needing a dummy plug is also another issue
902 2011-05-17 07:04:50 <NvrBst> aye, but there is no "-D 1"
903 2011-05-17 07:05:05 <Diablo-D3> (well -D whatever your CPU isnt)
904 2011-05-17 07:05:11 <NvrBst> is dummy plug special? or is that just an hdmi cable?
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907 2011-05-17 07:05:48 <Diablo-D3> NvrBst: http://www.overclock.net/folding-home-guides-tutorials/384733-30-second-dummy-plug.html
908 2011-05-17 07:06:01 <NvrBst> ahh thankies kindly
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918 2011-05-17 07:30:59 <Nesetalis> ;;bc,mtgox
919 2011-05-17 07:31:00 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.5,"low":7.2279,"vol":37907,"buy":7.8,"sell":7.9449,"last":7.8}}
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944 2011-05-17 08:21:23 <ar4s> Has anyone here had experience in opening an exchange? Is this open source as well, or are there direct profits being made?
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946 2011-05-17 08:23:16 <ersi> ar4s: AFAIK there's no open source exchanges
947 2011-05-17 08:23:31 <ersi> It's profitable business... IF you manage to actually draw some exchange volume
948 2011-05-17 08:23:48 <ersi> (Do I have to point out there's no shortage on exchanges?)
949 2011-05-17 08:25:30 <ar4s> I see there being a bunch. I'm in Japan and I no longer see anything dealing with JPY (Yen), which is why I'm asking
950 2011-05-17 08:26:57 <ersi> It's quite funny that MtGox is .jp-based and is not handling JPY :)
951 2011-05-17 08:26:57 <noagendamarket> bitcoin central is open source
952 2011-05-17 08:27:04 <noagendamarket> so is britcoin
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954 2011-05-17 08:27:14 <noagendamarket> contact genjix for that one
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956 2011-05-17 08:28:05 <ar4s> I didn't realize MtGox is .jp based ... odd, haha.
957 2011-05-17 08:29:01 <noagendamarket> I think he wants to avoid that
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959 2011-05-17 08:32:25 <gjs278> mtgox is great as a price reference, but I'd never leave money sitting on an account there
960 2011-05-17 08:32:31 <gjs278> shit's going to get raided one day
961 2011-05-17 08:35:02 <ar4s> what do you figure the odds of getting cease and desist prior to getting raided? One would hope people are smart enough to shut down the exchanges after trading bitcoins is effectively illegal, no?
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963 2011-05-17 08:37:18 <gjs278> umm
964 2011-05-17 08:37:23 <gjs278> they will get no cease and desist
965 2011-05-17 08:37:25 <gjs278> they will get
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967 2011-05-17 08:37:28 <gjs278> all of their shit taken
968 2011-05-17 08:37:37 <gjs278> and anyone who had money on it won't see a dime of it
969 2011-05-17 08:37:46 <gjs278> just like the poker sites
970 2011-05-17 08:37:56 <ersi> He's gone, mate
971 2011-05-17 08:38:05 <vegard> does that happen in japan (too)?
972 2011-05-17 08:38:10 <gjs278> rest of the channel can read it
973 2011-05-17 08:38:11 <gjs278> yes
974 2011-05-17 08:38:14 <gjs278> it happens with swords though
975 2011-05-17 08:38:30 <gjs278> and the cops raiding you have tentacles
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978 2011-05-17 08:38:46 <gjs278> ar4s take this http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/5673/screenshotqm.png
979 2011-05-17 08:40:01 <ar4s> appreciate that ;)
980 2011-05-17 08:40:30 <ar4s> lmfao
981 2011-05-17 08:40:46 <ar4s> god I hope they have anime/hentai in jail
982 2011-05-17 08:41:17 <ar4s> it's really a shame I'm on a visa here, otherwise I would totally do it. I really don't want to risk being able to live here though. I like it... even with the radiation
983 2011-05-17 08:43:07 <ersi> ar4s: So, not a native? :)
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985 2011-05-17 08:43:48 <noagendamarket> mt gox will delay them as much as possible
986 2011-05-17 08:44:06 <noagendamarket> US lawyers arent welcome in japanese courts
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988 2011-05-17 08:44:32 <noagendamarket> its why he operates outside japan imo
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1014 2011-05-17 09:34:32 <mtrlt> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#Block_Headers <- is that really the block header that is given to the double sha-256? writing my own miner but can't seem to get the correct hash. tried little-endian and big-endian and such with a block from blockexplorer but no luck
1015 2011-05-17 09:35:38 <forrestv> mtrlt, what language?
1016 2011-05-17 09:36:26 <forrestv> mtrlt, the hashes on blockexplorer are in the reverse byte order than hashes are usually produced in
1017 2011-05-17 09:36:32 <forrestv> and you hash the little endian data
1018 2011-05-17 09:37:35 <mtrlt> C++
1019 2011-05-17 09:38:54 <mtrlt> umm so if blockexplorer has the uint32 number of 123456789 (0x075BCD15) what bytes should i write? 0x07 0x5B 0xCD 0x15 or 0x15 0xCD 0x5B 0x07
1020 2011-05-17 09:40:09 <MartianW> mtrlt, what kind of miner are you writing? (Just curious)
1021 2011-05-17 09:41:06 <mtrlt> in the end, a gpu miner that i can optimize properly :P but currently just a slow cpu-miner to get the basics right first
1022 2011-05-17 09:42:30 <mtrlt> i tried to hash the uint32 data big endian, little endian and the merkle root + last block in big and little endian. but none of those 4 combinations results in the right hash :/
1023 2011-05-17 09:42:43 <mtrlt> using cryptopp for sha-256
1024 2011-05-17 09:43:04 <sipa> the formatting of sha checksums is weird in bitcoin
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1029 2011-05-17 09:54:15 <xelister> for mining with 2x5970
1030 2011-05-17 09:54:24 <xelister> bettter board with or without buildin gfx?
1031 2011-05-17 09:55:17 <UukGoblin> without
1032 2011-05-17 09:55:21 <xelister> why so?
1033 2011-05-17 09:55:39 <UukGoblin> dunno, just a feeling
1034 2011-05-17 09:55:40 <xelister> builtin allows to use box as desktop easly (start X :2)
1035 2011-05-17 09:55:41 <UukGoblin> less power
1036 2011-05-17 09:55:51 <UukGoblin> oh, if you want to use it as desktop then sure
1037 2011-05-17 09:56:05 <UukGoblin> you said 'for mining' ;-]
1038 2011-05-17 09:56:42 <xelister> Which onboard VGA chips are disabable fully in BIOS? Or it depends on board itself? How to find out befoer buying if onboard vga can be COMPLETELY DISABLED in bios?
1039 2011-05-17 09:57:34 <UukGoblin> I think most of them can
1040 2011-05-17 09:57:42 <UukGoblin> I didn't see one that you couldn't
1041 2011-05-17 10:02:19 <xelister> I seen
1042 2011-05-17 10:02:27 <xelister> and it sucks a big donkey cock
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1044 2011-05-17 10:06:42 <mtrlt> ha, got it working. for some reason i thought txn_count was supposed to be part of the data :p
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1049 2011-05-17 10:12:39 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: wow, you merged portoption...? has anyone actually tested it real-world, because whenever I run it I get 0 outgoing connections and 0 incoming
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1052 2011-05-17 10:17:23 <BlueMatt> sipa: tcatm have either of you tested portoption irl?
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1065 2011-05-17 10:39:40 <quup> now I've set up a script that checks if bitcoind is still operational every 10 seconds, otherwise kill -9 and restart it. can this backfire somehow?
1066 2011-05-17 10:43:13 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: ArtForz got a sec?
1067 2011-05-17 10:43:23 <Blitzboom> yep
1068 2011-05-17 10:43:32 <BlueMatt> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8390.msg122381#msg122381
1069 2011-05-17 10:43:36 <BlueMatt> got a sec to translate?
1070 2011-05-17 10:44:04 <BlueMatt> been a while since anyone updated them and they need it
1071 2011-05-17 10:46:12 <Blitzboom> ok, let me see
1072 2011-05-17 10:46:42 <xelister> quup: killing -9 anything sounds like a good way to corrupt files
1073 2011-05-17 10:48:11 <UukGoblin> quup, yeah, I wouldn't trust BDB so much
1074 2011-05-17 10:48:19 <UukGoblin> quup, you're asking to get your wallet corrupted ;-]
1075 2011-05-17 10:48:39 <lupine_85> why on earth would you want to kill -9 it?
1076 2011-05-17 10:48:58 <quup> UukGoblin: ye, will make extra sure to back that up :)
1077 2011-05-17 10:49:24 <quup> lupine_85: because it locks up the rpc interface more often than not
1078 2011-05-17 10:49:50 <lupine_85> how odd
1079 2011-05-17 10:50:06 <UukGoblin> that should probably be looked into
1080 2011-05-17 10:50:10 <lupine_85> and a simple kill doesn't work ?
1081 2011-05-17 10:50:21 <quup> lupine_85: ^C didn't work
1082 2011-05-17 10:50:32 <UukGoblin> hm
1083 2011-05-17 10:50:46 <UukGoblin> quup, are you sure your filesystems are OK and you're not getting any I/O problems in dmesg?
1084 2011-05-17 10:50:48 <quup> but this was looked into yesterday, BlueMatt found where it was acting up
1085 2011-05-17 10:50:52 <quup> UukGoblin: yes
1086 2011-05-17 10:50:57 <UukGoblin> ah, ok
1087 2011-05-17 10:51:07 <lupine_85> quup, that's SIGINT. kill uses SIGTERM
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1089 2011-05-17 10:51:12 <BlueMatt> quup: no, I dont have any idea why its acting up, just where...
1090 2011-05-17 10:51:25 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/228
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1095 2011-05-17 10:59:27 <diki> So. I have a few questions regarding poclbm or any other miner.
1096 2011-05-17 10:59:53 <diki> They display the mhash/s however i noticed that it hides when a new share is accepted
1097 2011-05-17 11:00:12 <UukGoblin> phoenix shows that I think
1098 2011-05-17 11:00:23 <diki> Usually in a loop, when you want to print something on the console it will stay there and so will every text in the loop(if any)
1099 2011-05-17 11:00:43 <diki> How do poclbm display the mhash/s without displaying it per loop?
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1101 2011-05-17 11:01:43 <_ape> i suggest reading the source?
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1104 2011-05-17 11:01:50 <diki> its in python
1105 2011-05-17 11:01:53 <_ape> so
1106 2011-05-17 11:02:02 * diki doesnt know python
1107 2011-05-17 11:02:02 <_ape> you can see where its printing the mhash at least
1108 2011-05-17 11:02:04 <_ape> pretty easily
1109 2011-05-17 11:02:20 <diki> I can see it, but how do i do the same effect in C++?
1110 2011-05-17 11:02:42 <diki> For an example: if you loop a text a thousand times, it will print the text a thousand times
1111 2011-05-17 11:02:59 <diki> In poclbm it's not
1112 2011-05-17 11:03:10 <_ape> it does \r
1113 2011-05-17 11:03:13 <_ape> to go back to the start of the line
1114 2011-05-17 11:03:14 <_ape> lol
1115 2011-05-17 11:03:16 <_ape> same as any other console app
1116 2011-05-17 11:03:59 <_ape> also uses sys.stdout.write instead of print to avoid the \n
1117 2011-05-17 11:04:13 <_ape> i do the same thing in my temp monitoring script
1118 2011-05-17 11:04:46 <diki> In poclbm all i see in the code is
1119 2011-05-17 11:04:46 <diki> def hashrate(self, rate): self.say('%s khash/s', rate)
1120 2011-05-17 11:04:51 <diki> no \r there
1121 2011-05-17 11:04:52 <_ape> look at self.say
1122 2011-05-17 11:05:05 <xelister> ArtForz: http://www.komputronik.pl/product_picture/6/PLASM4A88TDVEVOUSB3-1/Asus_M4A88TD_V_EVO/USB3.png will that have enough cooling space for 2x5970 fittig (normally, no extender used)?
1123 2011-05-17 11:05:57 <xelister> or anyone that has multi 5970 setup without extenders..? ^
1124 2011-05-17 11:05:59 <xelister> UukGoblin: ^ :)
1125 2011-05-17 11:06:08 <_ape> to do it in c++ you can do it like this, same deal: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1637587/c-libcurl-console-progress-bar/1639047#1639047
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1127 2011-05-17 11:06:41 <xelister> _ape: the \r should work quite universally same in c++ as in python
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1129 2011-05-17 11:06:45 <_ape> yeah
1130 2011-05-17 11:06:47 <_ape> thats what i mean
1131 2011-05-17 11:06:55 <diki> there was actually a game written in console form. does it use the same trick?
1132 2011-05-17 11:07:07 <_ape> you need more api to move the cursor around up and down
1133 2011-05-17 11:07:12 <_ape> usually people use curses
1134 2011-05-17 11:07:16 <_ape> or similar
1135 2011-05-17 11:07:19 <diki> keyboard on that game
1136 2011-05-17 11:07:22 <diki> just kb
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1138 2011-05-17 11:08:18 <UukGoblin> xelister, if they don't touch each other and have some space between them and you spin the fans at 100% it should be ok
1139 2011-05-17 11:08:29 <UukGoblin> IANAL and I haven't actually looked at the picture ;-]
1140 2011-05-17 11:08:35 <diki> and put another fan on top of them
1141 2011-05-17 11:08:55 <xelister> it's not gay
1142 2011-05-17 11:08:57 <diki> Actually, look at the dude with the 12 5970 and ask him for advice
1143 2011-05-17 11:09:04 <xelister> it's not gay
1144 2011-05-17 11:09:06 <xelister> if the radeons aren't touching
1145 2011-05-17 11:09:15 <UukGoblin> xelister, hrm that only has one slot between cards... might be tight
1146 2011-05-17 11:09:24 <xelister> UukGoblin: one? I see 2 slots there...?
1147 2011-05-17 11:09:31 <xelister> yea, 1 between the cards
1148 2011-05-17 11:09:39 <xelister> considering their size..
1149 2011-05-17 11:09:41 <_ape> im having a hard enough time keeping 5870s with no extra slot between them cool
1150 2011-05-17 11:09:44 <_ape> wouldnt want to try 5970s that way
1151 2011-05-17 11:09:47 <xelister> are there boards with bigger spacing, UukGoblin?
1152 2011-05-17 11:09:54 <diki> If the 5970 are not reference, and you find them with thinner cases you will have better airflow
1153 2011-05-17 11:10:12 <xelister> diki: hm?
1154 2011-05-17 11:10:34 <diki> if the design is not a reference design
1155 2011-05-17 11:10:37 <diki> they might be thinner
1156 2011-05-17 11:10:52 <diki> i mean the PCB is what...1-2 mm thick?
1157 2011-05-17 11:11:05 <diki> it's the case with the heatsink that is big
1158 2011-05-17 11:11:08 <UukGoblin> xelister, nah a 5970 is 2 slots wide
1159 2011-05-17 11:11:28 <xelister> well are there any mainboards with wider spacing then 2 pci between pci-e ?
1160 2011-05-17 11:11:28 <UukGoblin> so yeah 1 slot of space between cards
1161 2011-05-17 11:11:36 <UukGoblin> dunno ;-]
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1163 2011-05-17 11:11:48 <xelister> what are you using then?
1164 2011-05-17 11:11:53 <diki> there are motherboards that fit your requirements
1165 2011-05-17 11:12:02 <UukGoblin> well the msi 790fx-gd70 (afaik, I keep confusing the number) has 4 pci-e slots so you can make yourself some space between them
1166 2011-05-17 11:12:04 <diki> like 16 pci-e x16 slots
1167 2011-05-17 11:12:22 <UukGoblin> diki, srsly? that's gotta be expensive
1168 2011-05-17 11:12:28 <xelister> UukGoblin: hm? so how you are making the space
1169 2011-05-17 11:12:37 <xelister> UukGoblin: you pack 2x5970 per box?
1170 2011-05-17 11:13:10 <diki> oops, correction just 10
1171 2011-05-17 11:13:15 <diki> http://www.funkykit.com/component/content/article/7959-review-msi-big-bang-marshal-b3-motherboard.html?start=1
1172 2011-05-17 11:13:24 <diki> the big bang marshal fits your requirements
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1174 2011-05-17 11:14:36 <UukGoblin> diki, very closely spaced ;-]
1175 2011-05-17 11:14:43 <diki> Other than that the g1 assassin http://www.gigabyte.com/microsite/259/models.htm
1176 2011-05-17 11:15:00 <UukGoblin> diki, and the drivers can't really take more than 8 chips
1177 2011-05-17 11:15:14 <UukGoblin> xelister, I used even 3x 5970s, with risers
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1179 2011-05-17 11:15:44 <diki> My point is that the mobo is big enough
1180 2011-05-17 11:15:49 <UukGoblin> mhm
1181 2011-05-17 11:15:50 <diki> for any type of crossfire setup
1182 2011-05-17 11:16:04 <UukGoblin> wonder how much power it feeds to the ports ;-]
1183 2011-05-17 11:16:16 <diki> A slot gives 75 watts
1184 2011-05-17 11:16:26 <diki> everything else is the 6 or 8 pin connectors
1185 2011-05-17 11:16:27 <UukGoblin> xelister, btw, keep in mind that the 5970s are fucking greedy on power from the pci-ex slots
1186 2011-05-17 11:16:28 AAA_awright_ is now known as AAA_awright
1187 2011-05-17 11:16:50 <xelister> ;; bc,gen 1300000
1188 2011-05-17 11:16:51 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 8.30596712946 BTC per day and 0.346081963727 BTC per hour.
1189 2011-05-17 11:17:07 <diki> The max a 5970 can draw or any other card as a matter of fact from the slot is 75 watts
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1191 2011-05-17 11:20:55 <_ape> did you guys see how fast those newegg $200 5870s sold out lol
1192 2011-05-17 11:21:01 <_ape> they had like 30 one hour then 0 the next :\
1193 2011-05-17 11:21:13 <_ape> meanwhile im stuck with my dick in my hand waiting for dwolla to send 13 cents to my bank
1194 2011-05-17 11:21:36 <_ape> should have just used otc
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1197 2011-05-17 11:34:49 <xelister> 5970 + 5970 + 5770 will be fine on 1000 W ?
1198 2011-05-17 11:35:20 <xelister> and dont fucking tell me to just summ up the max W of this cards :-E ;)
1199 2011-05-17 11:35:50 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: not sure about "obtain a lock"
1200 2011-05-17 11:36:12 <sipa> xelister: i can tell you that 2x 5970 works fine on corsair tx 850w
1201 2011-05-17 11:36:13 <da2ce7> hey Blitzboom :)
1202 2011-05-17 11:36:13 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: whats the location in the source?
1203 2011-05-17 11:36:21 <BlueMatt> (should be a comment)
1204 2011-05-17 11:36:31 <xelister> UukGoblin: so you have 2x5970 working on that 790fx-gd70 ?
1205 2011-05-17 11:36:39 <Blitzboom> src/init.cpp:335
1206 2011-05-17 11:36:54 <diki> a 5970 draws no more than 375 watts
1207 2011-05-17 11:36:56 * da2ce7 has two GPU's running at feet warming temputures
1208 2011-05-17 11:37:00 <diki> no OCed of course
1209 2011-05-17 11:37:02 <Blitzboom> da2ce7: hey
1210 2011-05-17 11:37:11 <diki> *not
1211 2011-05-17 11:37:13 <Blitzboom> anyway, iâll finish the rest
1212 2011-05-17 11:38:04 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: it just means another bitcoin is running...the lock on a dir means only one process can have the lock
1213 2011-05-17 11:38:09 <sipa> diki: our 2x5970 consumes 630W for the whole system, OCed to 810-860MHz
1214 2011-05-17 11:38:11 <BlueMatt> have no idea the german word
1215 2011-05-17 11:38:11 <diki> everytime i think that pool gives me more btc than the other..it's not...
1216 2011-05-17 11:38:17 <BlueMatt> maybe ArtForz would know
1217 2011-05-17 11:38:29 <Blitzboom> yeah, but iâm not sure how to translate
1218 2011-05-17 11:38:40 <Blitzboom> zugriff maybe?
1219 2011-05-17 11:38:45 <Blitzboom> zugriffsrechte
1220 2011-05-17 11:38:53 <sipa> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock
1221 2011-05-17 11:39:01 <BlueMatt> not quite right, but...it works
1222 2011-05-17 11:39:09 <Blitzboom> ah, i see
1223 2011-05-17 11:41:43 <da2ce7> Blitzboom, what langurages are you good at?
1224 2011-05-17 11:41:51 <BlueMatt> german
1225 2011-05-17 11:41:57 <da2ce7> :)
1226 2011-05-17 11:42:00 <da2ce7> programing langurages
1227 2011-05-17 11:42:09 <Blitzboom> none :P
1228 2011-05-17 11:42:10 <BlueMatt> ah, well that I dont know about Blitzboom
1229 2011-05-17 11:42:23 <da2ce7> lol... well https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8379.0
1230 2011-05-17 11:42:36 <da2ce7> look at the diagram, on the 3rd post.
1231 2011-05-17 11:42:54 <da2ce7> how hard will such a topology be to make.
1232 2011-05-17 11:43:01 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: I think its really cool, but...I would much rather see work on bitcoin wallet proto first
1233 2011-05-17 11:43:28 <diki> Erm you wrote ProtIcol it's ProtOcol
1234 2011-05-17 11:43:45 <BlueMatt> yea saw that
1235 2011-05-17 11:44:01 <da2ce7> lol diki, our favourate spelling nazi.
1236 2011-05-17 11:44:09 * sipa saw it too
1237 2011-05-17 11:44:12 <diki> also The Bitcoin FreeEnt
1238 2011-05-17 11:46:13 <diki> Does a cpu need to support opencl for it to mine?
1239 2011-05-17 11:46:22 <diki> Say a...cortex-A8?
1240 2011-05-17 11:46:29 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: hope i havenât missed anything: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/390514/
1241 2011-05-17 11:47:31 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: thanks a ton...missed one #: ../../../src/ui.cpp:1409
1242 2011-05-17 11:48:03 <BlueMatt> just "Comment:"
1243 2011-05-17 11:48:07 <Blitzboom> ok, "Kommentar:"
1244 2011-05-17 11:48:26 <BlueMatt> thanks Ill file a pull req under your name
1245 2011-05-17 11:48:34 <Blitzboom> will the fee be reduced in 0.3.22 btw?
1246 2011-05-17 11:48:54 <BlueMatt> yea
1247 2011-05-17 11:49:06 <Blitzboom> great
1248 2011-05-17 11:51:17 <diki> and .22 will be out...?
1249 2011-05-17 11:51:32 <BlueMatt> wen I convince jgarzik that portoption wasnt ready to be pulled ;)
1250 2011-05-17 11:51:38 <BlueMatt> na, its at rc now...
1251 2011-05-17 11:51:45 <diki> portoption?
1252 2011-05-17 11:51:54 <BlueMatt> -port to change listen port
1253 2011-05-17 11:52:20 <sipa> well, it's only an rc
1254 2011-05-17 11:52:37 <BlueMatt> na, I was just surprised that jgarzik pulled it
1255 2011-05-17 11:52:38 <diki> cant you like just copy over the code from -rescan etc and call it -port and change it like that?
1256 2011-05-17 11:52:47 <diki> I've always relied on copy/paste when writing code
1257 2011-05-17 11:52:47 <sipa> loi
1258 2011-05-17 11:52:51 <BlueMatt> Ive never gotten it to make any connection, but it might just be my lack of that much testing
1259 2011-05-17 11:52:57 <sipa> the option parsing isn't the problem diki
1260 2011-05-17 11:52:59 <sipa> that's trivial
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1262 2011-05-17 11:53:34 <sipa> BlueMatt: later today i'd like to do a test with two 0.3.22rc clients both specifying the same -port
1263 2011-05-17 11:53:35 <diki> 1. Copy code 2. Parse variable port 3.???? 4. Profit?
1264 2011-05-17 11:53:40 <sipa> haha
1265 2011-05-17 11:54:01 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, but it should work if one loan user in the middle of buttfuck-whoknows-where is using port 463572352
1266 2011-05-17 11:54:28 <diki> Can you guys make bitcoin open the said port if it's closed?
1267 2011-05-17 11:54:38 <diki> or report if it's been blocked by some reason
1268 2011-05-17 11:54:41 <BlueMatt> you mean upnp?
1269 2011-05-17 11:55:05 <diki> I dont know how you forward a port in programming, but yeah
1270 2011-05-17 11:55:30 <diki> uTorrent notifies a user with an icon if the port is open or closed
1271 2011-05-17 11:55:42 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: "If the file does not exist, create it with owner-readable-only file permissions."
1272 2011-05-17 11:55:44 <sipa> BlueMatt: or just two 0.3.22rc's, one with -port and the other without
1273 2011-05-17 11:56:12 <BlueMatt> sipa: Ive done a bit of testing with -port and have never been able to get any connections, hence my reservations
1274 2011-05-17 11:56:27 <diki> did you forward your ports matt?
1275 2011-05-17 11:56:30 <BlueMatt> though I havn't done _that_ much testing
1276 2011-05-17 11:56:37 <BlueMatt> diki: should still make outgoing connections
1277 2011-05-17 11:56:40 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: "Wenn die Datei nicht existiert, erstellen Sie sie mit ausschlieÃlich Besitzer-Leserechten"
1278 2011-05-17 11:57:05 <diki> How did jgarzik respond?
1279 2011-05-17 11:57:16 <BlueMatt> hasn't yet
1280 2011-05-17 11:58:06 <diki> there are many things i still wonder about in a program(any program)...how does the gui run while doing nothing...
1281 2011-05-17 11:58:42 <diki> Bitcoin is constantly checking the block chain...but you can in the same time make it send coins, generate coins and pop open the options dialog
1282 2011-05-17 11:58:56 <TD> the magic of threads ....
1283 2011-05-17 11:59:07 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: alright, thanks looks good on a scroll through
1284 2011-05-17 11:59:18 <diki> If i make a simple app in c++ and make do a loop and make the thread sleep. I can't do anything at all if i dont get out the loop first...which closes the programs
1285 2011-05-17 11:59:31 <Blitzboom> np
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1287 2011-05-17 11:59:53 <BlueMatt> anyone russian here?
1288 2011-05-17 12:00:01 <diki> no, but i am Bulgarian...
1289 2011-05-17 12:00:32 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: what should I put for commit author?
1290 2011-05-17 12:00:44 <BlueMatt> and Last-Translator
1291 2011-05-17 12:00:54 <BlueMatt> typically Real Name <email@domain>
1292 2011-05-17 12:00:57 <TD> diki: so you use multiple threads, or a multiplexed event loop
1293 2011-05-17 12:01:16 <diki> And how do you keep the program from closing?
1294 2011-05-17 12:01:50 <diki> A console app, after it finishes it's job closes unless you put system pause
1295 2011-05-17 12:02:04 <diki> even after pause it will close cause it finished it's job
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1297 2011-05-17 12:02:50 <TD> diki: the main thread handles the gui. a different thread talks to the network.
1298 2011-05-17 12:02:55 <TD> (that's one way to do it)
1299 2011-05-17 12:03:07 <TD> you can also do sleeps in such a way that you can respond to events at the same time
1300 2011-05-17 12:03:29 <TD> look at poll() on unix or MsgWaitForMultipleObjectsEx on Windows
1301 2011-05-17 12:03:32 <sacarlson> I can't seem to make any changes to the IRC address when I change this line in irc.cpp line 272 ; CAddress addrIRC("irc.surething.biz:6667", 0, true); in new git version 0c97aa9e141f5c23dc9f80e5fb4c8297d8a6b4dd
1302 2011-05-17 12:04:33 <BlueMatt> who is sending me encrypted gpg messages
1303 2011-05-17 12:04:38 <sacarlson> I see this line is executed but I havn't checked to see if it passes an error yet
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1305 2011-05-17 12:05:49 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: just use my nick
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1308 2011-05-17 12:06:20 <BlueMatt> fair enough, Blizboom <anon@none> it is
1309 2011-05-17 12:06:35 <tentsua> is there a way to disable the debug log in the windows client?
1310 2011-05-17 12:07:49 <tentsua> ie. extend ssd lifetime.
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1312 2011-05-17 12:09:33 <BlueMatt> yay, 2 translations down, 6 to go
1313 2011-05-17 12:10:31 <Blitzboom> you guys should start a bitcoin organization financing itself by the deflation of input funds :D
1314 2011-05-17 12:10:51 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: thine pull request: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/230
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1317 2011-05-17 12:12:45 <ersi> BlueMatt: translations of the gui? :O
1318 2011-05-17 12:12:59 <BlueMatt> ersi: yea
1319 2011-05-17 12:13:32 <ersi> BlueMatt: Got Swedish already?
1320 2011-05-17 12:14:09 <BlueMatt> not that I know of, please add it
1321 2011-05-17 12:15:03 <BlueMatt> ersi: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8390.msg122381#msg122381
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1325 2011-05-17 12:18:16 <noagendamarket> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8608.0 does anyone want to go to this ?
1326 2011-05-17 12:18:45 <ersi> BlueMatt: Where's the english base/source? :P it's not in https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/tree/translations/locale
1327 2011-05-17 12:19:10 <BlueMatt> yea, those are all the translated ones, just open any of them
1328 2011-05-17 12:19:30 <BlueMatt> and replace all the translated stuff with the new language
1329 2011-05-17 12:19:32 <ersi> Ah, heh. I'm used to having a english empty one
1330 2011-05-17 12:19:33 <UukGoblin> xelister, depends, sometimes 2, sometimes 3
1331 2011-05-17 12:19:33 <ersi> ye
1332 2011-05-17 12:19:43 <sipa> sacarlson: that code is wrong, and that's my fault
1333 2011-05-17 12:20:24 <sacarlson> sipa: so so you have a fix yet?
1334 2011-05-17 12:20:44 <sacarlson> sipa: had me thinking I had done something wrong now for 2 days
1335 2011-05-17 12:20:44 <xelister> UukGoblin: and with 2 cooling if totally fine right? and with 3 sometimes?
1336 2011-05-17 12:20:58 <sipa> sacarlson: i'll fix it tonight
1337 2011-05-17 12:21:10 <UukGoblin> xelister, it depends how you do it... I have custom fans and shit
1338 2011-05-17 12:21:15 <UukGoblin> I generally don't use boxes
1339 2011-05-17 12:21:15 <Olli_> This is really interesting..
1340 2011-05-17 12:21:24 <Blitzboom> sipa: you need to update your graphsâ axis again :P
1341 2011-05-17 12:21:28 <sacarlson> sipa: cool, oh and I love your dns lookup in -conect by the way
1342 2011-05-17 12:21:29 <sipa> damn
1343 2011-05-17 12:21:35 <sacarlson> sipa: I needed that
1344 2011-05-17 12:21:40 <sipa> so did i
1345 2011-05-17 12:21:41 <Diablo-D3> I think I have gone wrong somewhere
1346 2011-05-17 12:21:45 <Diablo-D3> I am now writing code to write code
1347 2011-05-17 12:21:54 <sipa> it's called a compiler?
1348 2011-05-17 12:21:56 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, perfectly viable
1349 2011-05-17 12:22:12 <Diablo-D3> all those years I used perl are coming in handy again
1350 2011-05-17 12:22:24 <UukGoblin> hahah
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1356 2011-05-17 12:29:42 <nordicminers> Hi guys. Im having a pain with openCL, anyone got a spare minute?
1357 2011-05-17 12:30:08 <UukGoblin> nordicminers, DATAJA
1358 2011-05-17 12:30:57 <Diablo-D3> it is rude to ask to ask
1359 2011-05-17 12:30:59 <Diablo-D3> just ask
1360 2011-05-17 12:31:15 <nordicminers> UukGoblin, its the openCLlib.so that keeps crashing my openCL
1361 2011-05-17 12:31:36 <UukGoblin> openCLlib.so?
1362 2011-05-17 12:32:11 <nordicminers> yes, something python uses. I just dont get it - yesterday it all ran fine, now it comes with these messy errors
1363 2011-05-17 12:32:30 marlowe has joined
1364 2011-05-17 12:32:44 <UukGoblin> well if you pasted the errors on some pastebin, maybe some python guys could help, I'm using diablo ;-]
1365 2011-05-17 12:33:14 <nordicminers> yeah sorry, was a bit empty stated one second
1366 2011-05-17 12:33:54 <nordicminers> im using phoenix, buts its before the miner the problem occurs. ./CLInfo |grep CL_DEVICE_TYPE_GPU gives me a CL error, undefined
1367 2011-05-17 12:34:34 <nordicminers> i can see my 3 HD5870 cards fine with the aticonfig command, but somehow CL doesnt see them
1368 2011-05-17 12:34:46 <nordicminers> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'cl::Error'
1369 2011-05-17 12:34:54 <nordicminers> thats all i get
1370 2011-05-17 12:35:00 <UukGoblin> what did you change since yesterday?
1371 2011-05-17 12:35:10 <JFK911> read the directions for installing amd's opencl
1372 2011-05-17 12:35:22 <nordicminers> I changed nothing. I think it might be the library path or something
1373 2011-05-17 12:35:23 <JFK911> solves most problems
1374 2011-05-17 12:35:42 <nordicminers> yeah, been reading it for 12 hours now - i just dont get it
1375 2011-05-17 12:36:10 <JFK911> theres a command at the end, did you do it
1376 2011-05-17 12:36:40 <nordicminers> what document are you reffering to?
1377 2011-05-17 12:36:50 <UukGoblin> you need these variables set properly: ATISTREAMSDKROOT, ATISTREAMSAMPLEROOT and LD_LIBRARY_PATH
1378 2011-05-17 12:37:04 <sipa> only the last one matters
1379 2011-05-17 12:37:04 <JFK911> the one that explains how to run the script that does what UukGoblin just said
1380 2011-05-17 12:37:20 <xelister> Diablo-D3: yo
1381 2011-05-17 12:37:23 <BlueMatt> who the hell sends me an encrypted gpg message from an anonymous email service...it makes it kind of hard to respond...
1382 2011-05-17 12:37:32 <BlueMatt> I guess thats what you get when you work in bitcoin
1383 2011-05-17 12:37:33 <xelister> Diablo-D3: sometimes your recent miner (yesterday) slows down to almost zero speed after long runtime
1384 2011-05-17 12:37:43 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, lol
1385 2011-05-17 12:37:48 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you're the only one whos ever experienced that bug
1386 2011-05-17 12:37:52 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: wrong
1387 2011-05-17 12:37:58 <Diablo-D3> you only need LD_LIBRARY_PATH set
1388 2011-05-17 12:38:02 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you asked every user ever?
1389 2011-05-17 12:38:19 <UukGoblin> well I set all 3 cause that's what the doc says ;-]
1390 2011-05-17 12:38:19 <Diablo-D3> /path/to/ati-stream-sdk-lnx64/lib/x86_64/
1391 2011-05-17 12:38:29 <Diablo-D3> thats ALL that needs to be set
1392 2011-05-17 12:39:15 <nordicminers> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/btc/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
1393 2011-05-17 12:39:15 <nordicminers> cd btc/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx32/samples/opencl/bin/x86
1394 2011-05-17 12:39:27 <nordicminers> and then the ./CLInfo line
1395 2011-05-17 12:39:35 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: erm one of your lines are wrong there
1396 2011-05-17 12:39:35 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, if you're /desperate/ to respond, just send plaintext saying 'keyz dude'
1397 2011-05-17 12:39:55 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: if you're on 32bit, obviously that needs to match
1398 2011-05-17 12:40:06 <BlueMatt> no, I cant respond its an anonymous email service, if I send a message it says "No such recipient"
1399 2011-05-17 12:40:13 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 but its on the 86 both sides?
1400 2011-05-17 12:40:20 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: lnx64 -> 32
1401 2011-05-17 12:40:20 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, ah. ;-]
1402 2011-05-17 12:40:37 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, nah you're wrong now
1403 2011-05-17 12:40:39 <nordicminers> ohh
1404 2011-05-17 12:40:50 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, directory is named the same, the difference is between lib/x86 and lib/86_64
1405 2011-05-17 12:40:59 <UukGoblin> (I think)
1406 2011-05-17 12:41:04 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: not if he downloaded the 32bit verrsion of the sdk
1407 2011-05-17 12:41:06 <UukGoblin> (never actually used 32)
1408 2011-05-17 12:41:06 <JFK911> why not just run the setup script that ati gives? is it broken?
1409 2011-05-17 12:41:19 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: because its a zip file, and you unzip it?
1410 2011-05-17 12:41:30 <UukGoblin> there's no setup script in the sdk
1411 2011-05-17 12:41:42 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
1412 2011-05-17 12:41:43 <gribble> 124603
1413 2011-05-17 12:41:44 <JFK911> yes there is. running it is the last step
1414 2011-05-17 12:42:14 <Diablo-D3> you're on drugs
1415 2011-05-17 12:42:35 <nordicminers> hmm i still get the same error
1416 2011-05-17 12:42:47 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: what IS the error you're getting?
1417 2011-05-17 12:43:03 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 terminate called after throwing an instance of 'cl::Error'
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1419 2011-05-17 12:43:14 <Diablo-D3> pastebin the whole error
1420 2011-05-17 12:43:22 <JFK911> what's icd-registration.tgz then
1421 2011-05-17 12:43:30 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: not a script
1422 2011-05-17 12:43:33 <nordicminers> That is the whole error line
1423 2011-05-17 12:43:37 <UukGoblin> JFK911, something you need to untar to / ;-]
1424 2011-05-17 12:43:42 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: there are lines above it, no?
1425 2011-05-17 12:43:57 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 No, only my ./CLInfo command
1426 2011-05-17 12:44:01 <JFK911> same shit
1427 2011-05-17 12:44:16 <UukGoblin> JFK911, you claim a tarball is the same as a script?
1428 2011-05-17 12:44:26 <UukGoblin> agree with Diablo-D3, you're on drugs
1429 2011-05-17 12:44:27 <JFK911> well
1430 2011-05-17 12:44:31 <JFK911> a shar and a tarball are the same thing
1431 2011-05-17 12:44:32 <nordicminers> My ICD is installed on root, like etc/OpenCL/vendors
1432 2011-05-17 12:44:33 <JFK911> and a shar is a script
1433 2011-05-17 12:44:37 <JFK911> so, they are equal.
1434 2011-05-17 12:44:54 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: are you sshing in?
1435 2011-05-17 12:44:58 <sipa> what's a shar?
1436 2011-05-17 12:45:02 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 No, its local everything
1437 2011-05-17 12:45:11 <JFK911> `shell archive`
1438 2011-05-17 12:45:14 <Diablo-D3> sipa: sh script that untars itself
1439 2011-05-17 12:45:14 <sipa> ok
1440 2011-05-17 12:45:16 <Diablo-D3> sipa: freaky shit
1441 2011-05-17 12:45:25 <sipa> yes yes, i've come across those
1442 2011-05-17 12:45:37 <Diablo-D3> catalyst installer .runs are a variant of those
1443 2011-05-17 12:45:45 <UukGoblin> it's not a shar for me, looks like a regular tar archive
1444 2011-05-17 12:45:50 <sipa> so, you have scripts, archives, and some crossover between the two
1445 2011-05-17 12:45:56 <sipa> that doesn't mean they are equal
1446 2011-05-17 12:45:56 <Diablo-D3> sipa: its a normal fucking tar
1447 2011-05-17 12:46:00 <Diablo-D3> er
1448 2011-05-17 12:46:01 <JFK911> im going to do some drugs now, per the above suggestions
1449 2011-05-17 12:46:03 <BlueMatt> can I get someone to compile bitcoin with MAX_OUTBOUND_CONNECTION=some huge number (in net.cpp) and run it on testnet?
1450 2011-05-17 12:46:04 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: its a normal fucking tar
1451 2011-05-17 12:46:15 <JFK911> Diablo-D3: whatever, its an extra step that's confusing
1452 2011-05-17 12:46:16 <Diablo-D3> cd /; sudo tar zxvf /path/to/the.tar
1453 2011-05-17 12:46:21 * Diablo-D3 shrugs
1454 2011-05-17 12:46:23 <xelister> will r5970 work fine in Pci-E x4 (electrically, x16 mechanically)
1455 2011-05-17 12:46:24 <JFK911> because people arent used to rtfm
1456 2011-05-17 12:46:27 <sipa> it's a tar with a script prepended
1457 2011-05-17 12:46:34 <xelister> for mining, it will just have x4 lower memory xfers?
1458 2011-05-17 12:46:37 <Diablo-D3> YES GODDAMNED RTFM IS SO HARD, LETS GO TO THE MALLLLLLLLLl
1459 2011-05-17 12:46:44 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: what video card?
1460 2011-05-17 12:46:57 <nordicminers> Diablo_D3 3x HD 5870 is installed
1461 2011-05-17 12:47:08 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 ATIconfig finds them all but CLinfo doesnt
1462 2011-05-17 12:47:18 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: what version of catalyst?
1463 2011-05-17 12:47:28 <Diablo-D3> oh wait a second
1464 2011-05-17 12:47:31 <Diablo-D3> you're on 32-bit windows
1465 2011-05-17 12:47:36 <Diablo-D3> you miiiiiight have a problem
1466 2011-05-17 12:47:37 <Diablo-D3> err
1467 2011-05-17 12:47:40 <Diablo-D3> 32 bit linux
1468 2011-05-17 12:48:01 <Diablo-D3> no, now Im the one thats on drugs, you said 5870, not 5970
1469 2011-05-17 12:48:09 <Diablo-D3> apparently JFK911's retardation is spreading
1470 2011-05-17 12:48:09 <JFK911> yes
1471 2011-05-17 12:48:12 <JFK911> get high enjoy life
1472 2011-05-17 12:48:27 <UukGoblin> nordicminers, cat /etc/OpenCL/vendors/*
1473 2011-05-17 12:48:32 <nordicminers> ubuntu 10.10, catalyst 10.12
1474 2011-05-17 12:48:41 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: it should work fine
1475 2011-05-17 12:48:52 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: fglrxinfo says appropriate strings?
1476 2011-05-17 12:48:53 <JFK911> unless you have autism, drugs are necessary for computer work
1477 2011-05-17 12:49:02 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: I have autism. You fail.
1478 2011-05-17 12:49:05 <UukGoblin> JFK911, disagree
1479 2011-05-17 12:49:08 <JFK911> a "healthy" human mind cannot comprehend c++ without being drowned in LSD first
1480 2011-05-17 12:49:21 <Diablo-D3> dude, c++ isnt even a real language
1481 2011-05-17 12:49:25 <JFK911> right
1482 2011-05-17 12:49:26 <UukGoblin> I'm neither on LSD nor autistic
1483 2011-05-17 12:49:33 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 yes fglrxinfo got all three cards fine
1484 2011-05-17 12:49:42 <UukGoblin> and C++ is my favourite REAL LANGUAGE
1485 2011-05-17 12:49:46 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: vendor says ATI, etc?
1486 2011-05-17 12:49:49 <JFK911> UukGoblin, you dont have to be "on lsd" now. The changes it makes are long lasting.
1487 2011-05-17 12:50:05 <UukGoblin> JFK911, I never touched the shit?
1488 2011-05-17 12:50:09 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 display: :0.0 screen: 1
1489 2011-05-17 12:50:09 <nordicminers> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
1490 2011-05-17 12:50:09 <nordicminers> OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
1491 2011-05-17 12:50:09 <nordicminers> OpenGL version string: 4.1.10362 Compatibility Profile Context
1492 2011-05-17 12:50:16 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: hrrrrm.
1493 2011-05-17 12:50:18 <JFK911> It must be undiagnosed autism spectrum then :P
1494 2011-05-17 12:50:22 <UukGoblin> 134225 <@UukGoblin> nordicminers, cat /etc/OpenCL/vendors/*
1495 2011-05-17 12:50:25 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: uname -a
1496 2011-05-17 12:51:15 <UukGoblin> I do agree however, that there is only a small subset of people who understand pointers
1497 2011-05-17 12:51:17 <nordicminers> UukGoblin that gives me libatiocl32.so and the 64 one - two files
1498 2011-05-17 12:51:26 <JFK911> it's more than pointers
1499 2011-05-17 12:51:31 <JFK911> pointers are somewhat sensible
1500 2011-05-17 12:51:36 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: are you fucking kidding me?
1501 2011-05-17 12:51:39 <Diablo-D3> pointers are easy
1502 2011-05-17 12:51:41 <Diablo-D3> its all address math
1503 2011-05-17 12:51:48 <UukGoblin> nordicminers, ok, if you're on 32 bit, find libatiocl32.so in your sdk directory (lib/x86 afaik), and run ldd on it
1504 2011-05-17 12:51:50 <JFK911> it's all the stack abuse
1505 2011-05-17 12:52:02 * Diablo-D3 has coded C for a decade, and has earned the right to look down on C++
1506 2011-05-17 12:52:16 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, well you're in that small subset then?
1507 2011-05-17 12:52:31 <UukGoblin> stack abuse?
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1509 2011-05-17 12:52:36 <UukGoblin> why would you abuse the stack?
1510 2011-05-17 12:52:42 <Diablo-D3> stack abuse is lol in C
1511 2011-05-17 12:52:44 <Diablo-D3> generally: dont do it
1512 2011-05-17 12:52:46 <JFK911> the programmer doesn't; the c++ compiler does it
1513 2011-05-17 12:52:47 * Herodes has coded in asm and binary for centuries and have the right to look down on silly creatured like Diablo-D3
1514 2011-05-17 12:52:57 <UukGoblin> oh you mean stack unwinding
1515 2011-05-17 12:53:05 * Diablo-D3 invented Herodes
1516 2011-05-17 12:53:12 <Herodes> hahahahah
1517 2011-05-17 12:53:16 <Herodes> you're too smart.
1518 2011-05-17 12:53:18 <nordicminers> UukGoblin - linux-gate.so.1 => (0x008fa000)
1519 2011-05-17 12:53:18 <nordicminers> libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00b23000)
1520 2011-05-17 12:53:18 <nordicminers> libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x00680000)
1521 2011-05-17 12:53:18 <nordicminers> libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1 (0x00c77000)
1522 2011-05-17 12:53:19 <nordicminers> libGLU.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 (0x00bb5000)
1523 2011-05-17 12:53:20 <nordicminers> librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0x00891000)
1524 2011-05-17 12:53:22 <nordicminers> libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x00436000)
1525 2011-05-17 12:53:23 <Herodes> +1 Diablo
1526 2011-05-17 12:53:24 <nordicminers> libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00de8000)
1527 2011-05-17 12:53:27 <nordicminers> libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00dab000)
1528 2011-05-17 12:53:28 <nordicminers> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x009e0000)
1529 2011-05-17 12:53:29 <BlueMatt> aw dont do that
1530 2011-05-17 12:53:30 <nordicminers> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00110000)
1531 2011-05-17 12:53:32 <nordicminers> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x00f7d000)
1532 2011-05-17 12:53:34 <nordicminers> libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 (0x00a98000)
1533 2011-05-17 12:53:36 <nordicminers> libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x0026d000)
1534 2011-05-17 12:53:38 <nordicminers> libatiuki.so.1 => /usr/lib/fglrx/libatiuki.so.1 (0x00c3f000)
1535 2011-05-17 12:53:39 <UukGoblin> my fingers are sooo close to typing /kick
1536 2011-05-17 12:53:40 <nordicminers> libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x00ba7000)
1537 2011-05-17 12:53:42 <nordicminers> libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x00d9d000)
1538 2011-05-17 12:53:44 <nordicminers> sorry guys
1539 2011-05-17 12:53:45 <UukGoblin> nordicminers, ever heard of a pastebin?
1540 2011-05-17 12:53:46 <BlueMatt> patebin it next time nordicminers
1541 2011-05-17 12:53:47 <Diablo-D3> its in his queue
1542 2011-05-17 12:53:53 <nordicminers> im sorry it slipped for me
1543 2011-05-17 12:53:55 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: pastebin anything longer than 3 lines
1544 2011-05-17 12:54:03 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: also, uname -a
1545 2011-05-17 12:54:24 <diki> Any improvements on your miner diablo?
1546 2011-05-17 12:54:45 <Diablo-D3> diki: it has bfi.
1547 2011-05-17 12:54:49 <UukGoblin> nordicminers, ok so you don't have the problem I had.
1548 2011-05-17 12:54:50 <Diablo-D3> and its theoretically the fastest one ever
1549 2011-05-17 12:54:53 chmod755 is now known as chmod777
1550 2011-05-17 12:55:01 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: dude, I want the output of uname -a
1551 2011-05-17 12:55:05 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 Linux nordicMiners 2.6.35-28-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:00:26 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
1552 2011-05-17 12:55:09 <Diablo-D3> hrrrm.
1553 2011-05-17 12:55:11 <Diablo-D3> its not that then
1554 2011-05-17 12:55:20 <JFK911> wasnt ubuntu broken for mining?
1555 2011-05-17 12:55:21 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: as far as I can tell, there sno reason for this to happen
1556 2011-05-17 12:55:25 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: yes/no.
1557 2011-05-17 12:55:25 <JFK911> or was it broken for bitcoin?
1558 2011-05-17 12:55:30 <Diablo-D3> it just sucks
1559 2011-05-17 12:55:33 <JFK911> agree
1560 2011-05-17 12:55:34 <Diablo-D3> it DOES work though
1561 2011-05-17 12:55:38 <Diablo-D3> sometimes
1562 2011-05-17 12:55:38 <UukGoblin> yay, finally not me who has the weird ass problems
1563 2011-05-17 12:55:41 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 does it looks fine?
1564 2011-05-17 12:55:48 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: yes. try using my miner instead.
1565 2011-05-17 12:56:09 <UukGoblin> error reporting in opencl SUCKS COCKS
1566 2011-05-17 12:56:15 <vegard> what seems to be the problem?
1567 2011-05-17 12:56:24 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 i just dont get why the CLInfo dont work. I figure it should give me the right output without error before im starting to try a miner
1568 2011-05-17 12:56:33 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: yes, it should work fine
1569 2011-05-17 12:56:42 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: are you SURE you exported the right path?
1570 2011-05-17 12:56:59 chmod777 is now known as chmod755
1571 2011-05-17 12:57:24 <Diablo-D3> you need to run export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx32/lib/x86 (or whatever it is for you) everytime you open a new xterm (or just put it in your .bashrc)
1572 2011-05-17 12:57:53 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 Im not a 100% sure. I got my sdk folder on root, and im using the 2.1 version (32b)
1573 2011-05-17 12:58:25 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: define "on root"
1574 2011-05-17 12:58:26 <UukGoblin> nordicminers, well run echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH; ./CLInfo
1575 2011-05-17 12:58:31 <UukGoblin> and paste the output to some pastebin
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1579 2011-05-17 12:59:31 <xelister> Asrock's mobos are good? for linux mining
1580 2011-05-17 12:59:39 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 sorry its in my home folder
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1582 2011-05-17 12:59:54 <nordicminers> UukGoblin hmm no such file it says
1583 2011-05-17 13:00:05 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: I dont care where you unzipped it, as long as your path is correct.
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1585 2011-05-17 13:00:23 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 okay. Can i see the current set path?
1586 2011-05-17 13:00:24 <UukGoblin> nordicminers, drop the './' then I guess...
1587 2011-05-17 13:00:38 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
1588 2011-05-17 13:00:56 <nordicminers> UukGoblin CLInfo: Command not found
1589 2011-05-17 13:01:04 <Diablo-D3> ls $LD_LIBRARY_PATH should produce a list of files
1590 2011-05-17 13:01:21 <vegard> 14:33 < nordicminers> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/btc/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
1591 2011-05-17 13:01:24 <vegard> 14:53 < nordicminers> Diablo-D3 sorry its in my home folder
1592 2011-05-17 13:01:38 <vegard> they clearly don't match.
1593 2011-05-17 13:01:45 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 this is what i get /btc/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx32/lib/x86/:
1594 2011-05-17 13:01:49 <Diablo-D3> yes what vegard said
1595 2011-05-17 13:01:56 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: take the : off of it, and do ls that
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1597 2011-05-17 13:02:29 <vegard> do export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/btc/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH instead
1598 2011-05-17 13:02:41 <Diablo-D3> vegard: lnx32
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1600 2011-05-17 13:02:50 <vegard> oh, right.
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1604 2011-05-17 13:04:49 <nordicminers> how do i benchmark the output?
1605 2011-05-17 13:05:09 <UukGoblin> with emacs over sendmail
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1608 2011-05-17 13:07:12 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: dude
1609 2011-05-17 13:07:20 <Diablo-D3> pastebinnnn
1610 2011-05-17 13:07:24 <Diablo-D3> not dcc
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1612 2011-05-17 13:07:51 <nordicminers> oh sorry
1613 2011-05-17 13:07:53 <nordicminers> but guys
1614 2011-05-17 13:07:53 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: yeah, that ls path looks right
1615 2011-05-17 13:07:57 <nordicminers> i get no error now
1616 2011-05-17 13:08:19 <nordicminers> vegard i did your line - perhaps that was what worked?
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1618 2011-05-17 13:08:38 <Diablo-D3> yeah you had the wrong path
1619 2011-05-17 13:08:57 <vegard> my line was wrong, though -- shouldn't it be lnx32 like diablo said?
1620 2011-05-17 13:09:00 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 oh, but i will have to define it each time then?
1621 2011-05-17 13:09:07 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: yes, or throw it in your .bashrc
1622 2011-05-17 13:09:11 <nordicminers> vegard i changed to lnx32 :)
1623 2011-05-17 13:09:27 <Diablo-D3> btw, if you have stuff in your home dir, the path for it is ~/whatever
1624 2011-05-17 13:09:30 <Diablo-D3> not /whatever
1625 2011-05-17 13:09:35 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 where is the .bashrc located?
1626 2011-05-17 13:10:21 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 ah cool. Im creating some shell scripts to start the miner etc. Would be cool not to define the library each time they run
1627 2011-05-17 13:10:21 <Diablo-D3> ~/
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1629 2011-05-17 13:12:51 <diki> Why are all the functions from jgarzik's cpu-miner written as static?
1630 2011-05-17 13:13:20 <Diablo-D3> because he writes code worse than I do
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1633 2011-05-17 13:13:47 <diki> lol
1634 2011-05-17 13:14:11 <Diablo-D3> actually no
1635 2011-05-17 13:14:17 <Diablo-D3> I think I abused inner classes too much
1636 2011-05-17 13:14:35 <sipa> diki: you know what a static function in C is?
1637 2011-05-17 13:14:54 <diki> i've tried to understand what static variables are, but....
1638 2011-05-17 13:15:04 <sipa> static functions are completely different
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1640 2011-05-17 13:15:23 <sipa> it simply means they are not accessible from another compilation unit (= .c file)
1641 2011-05-17 13:15:31 <diki> why not?
1642 2011-05-17 13:15:40 <diki> rather, why?
1643 2011-05-17 13:16:07 <sipa> 1) to avoid clashes with other functions with the same name, locally defined in other files
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1645 2011-05-17 13:16:21 <sipa> and 2) allows the compiler to optimize further, as it knows all places where it may be called
1646 2011-05-17 13:16:51 <diki> Is it multithreaded?
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1648 2011-05-17 13:17:03 <sipa> cpu-miner?
1649 2011-05-17 13:17:06 <diki> yes
1650 2011-05-17 13:17:09 <sipa> not sure
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1652 2011-05-17 13:18:19 <nordicminers> btw thanks a lot for your help guys.
1653 2011-05-17 13:18:32 <diki> I also wanted to know..is it possible to request a getwork from a pool, but send it to the local client?
1654 2011-05-17 13:18:41 <Diablo-D3> no
1655 2011-05-17 13:18:45 <diki> why not?
1656 2011-05-17 13:18:57 <Diablo-D3> how are you defining "send to local client"
1657 2011-05-17 13:19:27 <diki> request a getwork, solve the hash, but instead of sending the hash to the pool, you send it to bitcoin running in -server mode
1658 2011-05-17 13:19:39 <Diablo-D3> ahh, you cant
1659 2011-05-17 13:19:43 <Diablo-D3> getwork sends you a header
1660 2011-05-17 13:19:53 <Diablo-D3> you cant reconstruct the block from it
1661 2011-05-17 13:20:14 <diki> then what does bitcoin send me?
1662 2011-05-17 13:20:19 <Diablo-D3> the header.
1663 2011-05-17 13:20:26 <Diablo-D3> it keeps a copy of the original block
1664 2011-05-17 13:21:07 <diki> So bitcoin already has the winning block, but cuts the header and wants me to solve it?
1665 2011-05-17 13:21:17 <sipa> and even if you could know the original block
1666 2011-05-17 13:21:21 <sipa> you couldn't change it
1667 2011-05-17 13:21:27 <Diablo-D3> diki: it has a potentially winning block
1668 2011-05-17 13:21:29 <sipa> as that would change the hash
1669 2011-05-17 13:21:31 <Diablo-D3> sipa: that too
1670 2011-05-17 13:21:39 <Diablo-D3> since the gen tx is tied to the owner
1671 2011-05-17 13:21:42 <sipa> and the block contains who to pay
1672 2011-05-17 13:21:45 <diki> The reason i am asking is because it's far more likely to find a block in a pool than solo
1673 2011-05-17 13:21:52 <sipa> of course
1674 2011-05-17 13:21:54 <Diablo-D3> diki: duh
1675 2011-05-17 13:21:57 <sipa> that's the point of pools
1676 2011-05-17 13:21:58 <Diablo-D3> actually no
1677 2011-05-17 13:22:00 <diki> so the pool could potentially send me the winning ticket
1678 2011-05-17 13:22:01 <sipa> but no, you can't cheat them
1679 2011-05-17 13:22:03 <diki> then i get my 50BTC
1680 2011-05-17 13:22:03 <Diablo-D3> YOU'RE not more likely
1681 2011-05-17 13:22:21 <sipa> indeed
1682 2011-05-17 13:22:22 <Diablo-D3> you still generate x hashes per second which generates y blocks per z hashes
1683 2011-05-17 13:22:32 <sipa> each hash has exactly the same chance of winning
1684 2011-05-17 13:22:39 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt give a fuck if you're on a pool or solo
1685 2011-05-17 13:22:41 <sipa> each hash by anyone anywhere
1686 2011-05-17 13:22:42 <Diablo-D3> your life still sucks
1687 2011-05-17 13:23:20 <diki> my virtual life...
1688 2011-05-17 13:23:29 <Diablo-D3> nope, your real life too
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1690 2011-05-17 13:23:56 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin is worse than hubble imagrey for making you feel small and unimportant
1691 2011-05-17 13:24:25 <diki> If that's how you feel. I can't really help you if you feel/are small
1692 2011-05-17 13:24:38 <Diablo-D3> well its not that
1693 2011-05-17 13:24:44 <Diablo-D3> all those people with dedi mining rigs?
1694 2011-05-17 13:24:51 <Diablo-D3> they must feel very small
1695 2011-05-17 13:25:12 <diki> they have deep pockets
1696 2011-05-17 13:25:24 <diki> means they have big pants
1697 2011-05-17 13:25:36 <Diablo-D3> yes, but they are not FILLING said pants, if you know what I mean
1698 2011-05-17 13:25:44 <diki> Which furthermore means they have big pack in the underwear
1699 2011-05-17 13:26:04 <Diablo-D3> diki: which is simply not true
1700 2011-05-17 13:26:08 <Diablo-D3> its clearly over compensating
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1702 2011-05-17 13:27:17 <diki> if you dont earn from bitcoin, why do you do it?
1703 2011-05-17 13:27:36 <Diablo-D3> I dont particularly do any real genning at all
1704 2011-05-17 13:27:44 <diki> genning?
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1706 2011-05-17 13:27:47 <diki> ;;define gening
1707 2011-05-17 13:27:48 <gribble> Error: "define" is not a valid command.
1708 2011-05-17 13:27:49 <Diablo-D3> mining
1709 2011-05-17 13:27:59 <Diablo-D3> I just wrote a miner, thats all
1710 2011-05-17 13:28:05 <diki> you dont mine?
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1712 2011-05-17 13:28:42 <Diablo-D3> I have a 5850, and its not on 24/7
1713 2011-05-17 13:28:50 <diki> mine is..though b0rked
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1716 2011-05-17 13:29:36 <diki> The only good thing is, that it's possible due to the different currencies to earn 3-4 times more than the electricity used
1717 2011-05-17 13:29:44 <diki> even with crossfire
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1720 2011-05-17 13:31:54 <diki> I also will earn soon, enough to buy another one for mining
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1722 2011-05-17 13:32:14 <diki> The only problem that comes is that the diff increases, while the mhash/s do not
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1727 2011-05-17 13:35:31 <diki> I miss the good old days...
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1729 2011-05-17 13:35:54 <eamon> you're getting mor $ per bitcoin now though
1730 2011-05-17 13:36:10 <diki> which could someday go below $2
1731 2011-05-17 13:36:24 <diki> regardless of the diff
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1734 2011-05-17 13:38:27 <diki> I have to ask. When on a pool, does the pool give you a block header to solve at current diff or a lower one? What i am asking if in the future i would make less shares than i do now
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1736 2011-05-17 13:39:10 <sipa> it asks you to report blocks which beat the difficulty-1 target, instead of the real target
1737 2011-05-17 13:39:28 <sipa> and it uses these 'shares' to distribute the income of the ones that do solve the real target
1738 2011-05-17 13:40:17 <diki> will it get harder to make shares when the diff increases?
1739 2011-05-17 13:40:46 <sipa> difficulty-1 is difficulty-1
1740 2011-05-17 13:41:03 <sipa> one hash in 4.29 billion beats the difficulty-1 target
1741 2011-05-17 13:41:04 <diki> minus one...that isn't a lot
1742 2011-05-17 13:41:25 <sipa> no, i mean "the target corresponding to the difficulty value 1"
1743 2011-05-17 13:41:35 <sipa> sorry, that was ambiguous
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1747 2011-05-17 13:46:12 <diki> Also, why is the OpenCL code not compiled but instead raw code?
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1750 2011-05-17 13:48:21 <gdoteof> how do I use bitcoind to send a payment that includes a fee?
1751 2011-05-17 13:48:42 <gdoteof> sendtoaddress <bitcoinaddress> <amount> [comment] [comment-to]
1752 2011-05-17 13:49:48 <diki> use the gui?
1753 2011-05-17 13:50:31 <sipa> it will automatically add the fee if necessary
1754 2011-05-17 13:50:54 <diki> though, the larger the fee, the bigger the priority
1755 2011-05-17 13:51:01 <diki> *higher
1756 2011-05-17 13:51:03 <gdoteof> sipa: oh cool
1757 2011-05-17 13:51:06 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|if you're sending 1btc and there is a 0.01 fee and you only have 1btc, you need tos et amount to 0.99
1758 2011-05-17 13:51:19 <mosi> work!~mos@217.22.80.82|but toehr than that, it auto does fee
1759 2011-05-17 13:55:59 <luke-jr> gdoteof: there's basically no good way to add a fee
1760 2011-05-17 13:56:14 <luke-jr> other than the automatic "required" fee
1761 2011-05-17 13:56:20 <luke-jr> which isn't even required
1762 2011-05-17 13:56:27 <luke-jr> (you could pay less, and it would still work)
1763 2011-05-17 13:56:40 <diki> i pay 0.02 fee
1764 2011-05-17 13:58:28 <gdoteof> sweet. well this one just went free
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1768 2011-05-17 14:06:36 <mtrlt> sipa: some of your charts are still overflowing :< please update
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1775 2011-05-17 14:08:46 <Diablo-D3> holy shit
1776 2011-05-17 14:08:52 * Diablo-D3 just hacked the unhackable
1777 2011-05-17 14:09:01 * diki wonders
1778 2011-05-17 14:09:02 <BlueMatt> sony?
1779 2011-05-17 14:09:07 <diki> lol
1780 2011-05-17 14:09:08 <manonminer> hi. I just stumbled upon diablominer and im trying it on linux now. It brings some java error i dont get. Anyone cares? http://pastebin.com/DER0mnHb
1781 2011-05-17 14:09:09 <Diablo-D3> blueMatt: bwhahahaha
1782 2011-05-17 14:09:10 <diki> Chrome?
1783 2011-05-17 14:09:35 <Diablo-D3> manonminer: what arguments did you feed it
1784 2011-05-17 14:09:40 <BlueMatt> diki: no google keeps paying out 1337 $ for cracks all the time
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1786 2011-05-17 14:11:18 <sipa> mtrlt: this should suffice for a while
1787 2011-05-17 14:11:22 <sipa> (i hope)
1788 2011-05-17 14:11:32 <Diablo-D3> okay, Ive done the impossible I think
1789 2011-05-17 14:11:40 <diki> You made your miner work?
1790 2011-05-17 14:12:01 <diki> sipa: Who are you talking about?
1791 2011-05-17 14:12:01 <mtrlt> sipa: thanks :)
1792 2011-05-17 14:12:07 <Diablo-D3> I'm now making it go about 20 mhash faster
1793 2011-05-17 14:12:19 <Diablo-D3> and Im really hoping I screwed up
1794 2011-05-17 14:12:24 <diki> pic or it didn't happen
1795 2011-05-17 14:12:28 <mtrlt> now the network hashrate increase doesn't look that horrible. :D
1796 2011-05-17 14:12:41 <Diablo-D3> 324741/326403 khash/sec | ghash: 11.6 | fps: 60.3
1797 2011-05-17 14:13:11 <mtrlt> hmm you get results by just testing for 35 seconds?
1798 2011-05-17 14:13:17 <mtrlt> for me, your miner takes like half an hour to settle :S
1799 2011-05-17 14:13:20 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt seem to be finding shares, so, I may have won.
1800 2011-05-17 14:14:52 <Diablo-D3> yup I broke it :D
1801 2011-05-17 14:15:04 <eps1> Diablo-D3: your miner just segfaulted on me :)
1802 2011-05-17 14:15:11 <eps1> i know that is possible in java
1803 2011-05-17 14:15:12 <Diablo-D3> eps1: the breakage, it spreads!
1804 2011-05-17 14:15:21 <eps1> but still it surprised me
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1806 2011-05-17 14:15:53 <manonminer> Diablo-Miner i feed the miner ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh Âurl http://user:pass@deepbit.net:8332/ and it brings me this http://pastebin.com/DER0mnHb
1807 2011-05-17 14:16:16 <manonminer> @ Diablo-D3 that is
1808 2011-05-17 14:16:44 <Diablo-D3> manonminer: it should be --url
1809 2011-05-17 14:17:59 <manonminer> Diablo-D3 oh sorry it is in the real code
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1811 2011-05-17 14:18:38 <manonminer> Diablo-D3 ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh --url http://user:password@deepbit.net:8332/
1812 2011-05-17 14:18:40 <Diablo-D3> manonminer: try -u user -p password -o deepbit.net -p 8332
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1814 2011-05-17 14:22:32 <diki> In portal 2, in the beginning the big ball with the blue "eye" was asking the test subject to say Apple...back then i thought they meant apple literary, but then i realized Valve was making fun of Apple Inc. :D :D
1815 2011-05-17 14:22:59 <Diablo-D3> manonminer: did it work?
1816 2011-05-17 14:23:34 <Diablo-D3> diki: you missed the mac vs pc ads valve did?
1817 2011-05-17 14:24:14 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 it works now! How can i check each cypress chip?
1818 2011-05-17 14:24:15 <diki> never seen them
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1820 2011-05-17 14:24:27 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: check?
1821 2011-05-17 14:24:46 <Diablo-D3> diki: portal turret "Im a mac", tf2 engie turret "Im a pc"
1822 2011-05-17 14:24:55 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 yeah, i mean the hash rate and stale?
1823 2011-05-17 14:25:06 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: it displays the hash rate for all your devices.
1824 2011-05-17 14:25:08 <diki> lol
1825 2011-05-17 14:25:48 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 i see, but is there any parameters to go like aggression?
1826 2011-05-17 14:25:54 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: yes, -f
1827 2011-05-17 14:26:01 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: what hardware are you on?
1828 2011-05-17 14:26:15 <z310_> when is diablo 3 coming out
1829 2011-05-17 14:26:16 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 got the 5870 on this one
1830 2011-05-17 14:26:19 <diki> Is it my broken GPU or the server already received the hash, cause i've been getting a lot of stale shares lately
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1832 2011-05-17 14:26:20 <diki> A lot...
1833 2011-05-17 14:26:42 <Diablo-D3> diki: sounds like pool fail
1834 2011-05-17 14:26:48 <Diablo-D3> nordicminers: try -v 2 -w 128
1835 2011-05-17 14:26:57 <diki> hell, i have 59 stale shares currently
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1837 2011-05-17 14:27:20 <mtrlt> diki: how many %
1838 2011-05-17 14:27:24 <TheKid> what's the next version of bitcoin going to be, will it have the new minimum tx fee, and will it have the generate coins option?
1839 2011-05-17 14:27:35 <diki> I use poclbm, so i don't know
1840 2011-05-17 14:27:43 <mtrlt> ok
1841 2011-05-17 14:27:55 <TheKid> I'm fairly certain it will have the new tx fee, but not sure about the generate coins option, though I did see a pull request on the forums
1842 2011-05-17 14:28:12 <diki> Why are you so worried about this generate btc option?
1843 2011-05-17 14:28:39 <BlueMatt> TheKid: 0.3.22 with new tx fee
1844 2011-05-17 14:28:40 <TheKid> diki: writing an article. Personally though I'm glad to see it go
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1846 2011-05-17 14:28:43 <BlueMatt> no generate coins option
1847 2011-05-17 14:28:45 <TheKid> BlueMatt: thank you
1848 2011-05-17 14:28:52 <diki> How so?
1849 2011-05-17 14:29:14 <TheKid> how so what?
1850 2011-05-17 14:29:14 <BlueMatt> (not in gui, still accessible via cli)
1851 2011-05-17 14:29:22 <TheKid> right
1852 2011-05-17 14:29:29 <diki> why is it being removed? I know it's slow...but still
1853 2011-05-17 14:29:35 <TheKid> diki: because it confuses new users
1854 2011-05-17 14:29:41 <diki> by?
1855 2011-05-17 14:29:44 <BlueMatt> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5353
1856 2011-05-17 14:29:46 <TheKid> and artificially makes the focus of bitcoin mining
1857 2011-05-17 14:30:01 <z310> that sounds fair
1858 2011-05-17 14:30:41 <diki> Why? The less people mining, the better
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1860 2011-05-17 14:30:50 <BlueMatt> wtf?
1861 2011-05-17 14:30:54 <BlueMatt> I think you mean more
1862 2011-05-17 14:31:53 <sipa> more people mining is better, but pushing users to heat their CPu's for barely any advantage is pointless
1863 2011-05-17 14:32:08 <diki> Is it possible to make a non opencl card mine ?
1864 2011-05-17 14:32:14 <diki> non opencl/non cuda
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1867 2011-05-17 14:34:34 <TheKid> diki: possibly with some highly specialized code?
1868 2011-05-17 14:34:42 <TheKid> I would imagine it is possible, but doubt that it is easy :)
1869 2011-05-17 14:34:43 <diki> which is?
1870 2011-05-17 14:34:50 <Diablo-D3> alright Im going to bed
1871 2011-05-17 14:34:53 <Diablo-D3> jight all
1872 2011-05-17 14:35:00 <z310> nn Diablo-D3
1873 2011-05-17 14:35:00 <TheKid> night Diablo-D3
1874 2011-05-17 14:35:02 <nordicminers> Diablo-D3 thanks a lot for your help! Its awesome this app
1875 2011-05-17 14:35:15 <z310> mr. popular
1876 2011-05-17 14:35:27 <diki> don't let the angels bite ;)
1877 2011-05-17 14:35:38 <z310> or the grim reaper
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1886 2011-05-17 14:38:48 <horb> werdup
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1888 2011-05-17 14:39:23 <BlueMatt> anyone else want to test portoption??
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1891 2011-05-17 14:39:41 <z310> portoption?
1892 2011-05-17 14:39:47 <BlueMatt> -port
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1894 2011-05-17 14:40:06 <BlueMatt> listen port
1895 2011-05-17 14:40:13 <BlueMatt> ie latest nightly/0.3.22rc
1896 2011-05-17 14:40:23 <z310> sure
1897 2011-05-17 14:40:48 <sipa> i don't have access to a system with bitcoin that has abitrary open ports right now
1898 2011-05-17 14:41:05 <BlueMatt> you dont have to open, I want someone to test getting outgoing connections
1899 2011-05-17 14:41:06 <z310> would you mind if i had my morning cigarette first
1900 2011-05-17 14:41:07 <TheKid> BlueMatt: one more question- there isn't an option to send a tx anyway, without a fee, is there?
1901 2011-05-17 14:41:08 <BlueMatt> I get none
1902 2011-05-17 14:41:25 <sipa> TheKid: no
1903 2011-05-17 14:41:31 <BlueMatt> TheKid: there should be
1904 2011-05-17 14:41:34 <sipa> maybe there should be
1905 2011-05-17 14:41:48 <sipa> the default currently kinda forces its policy
1906 2011-05-17 14:41:56 <sipa> *client
1907 2011-05-17 14:42:05 <TheKid> BlueMatt: I agree
1908 2011-05-17 14:42:25 <sipa> but the current system is definitely temporary
1909 2011-05-17 14:43:16 <BlueMatt> yea, someone needs to write a patch for that
1910 2011-05-17 14:44:59 <TheKid> BlueMatt: I'm willing to write the blurb that pops up, if someone else does the actual coding :P
1911 2011-05-17 14:45:16 <TheKid> seeing as btc is not coded in python I'm lost heh
1912 2011-05-17 14:45:24 <TD> ye gods, finally
1913 2011-05-17 14:45:27 <BlueMatt> lol the blurb is the easy part, getting it translated...
1914 2011-05-17 14:45:31 * TD has all his unit tests working [again]
1915 2011-05-17 14:46:07 <BlueMatt> TD actually has unit test? mind writing some for bitcoin proper???
1916 2011-05-17 14:46:21 <TD> unit tests for bitcoinj, sorry
1917 2011-05-17 14:46:24 <TD> perhaps they can serve as a basis
1918 2011-05-17 14:46:57 <TheKid> unit tests?
1919 2011-05-17 14:47:04 <TheKid> pardon my noob but I'm trying to learn :)
1920 2011-05-17 14:47:50 <BlueMatt> me wants unit test for bitcoin, but doesnt feel like writing them
1921 2011-05-17 14:48:16 <TD> TheKid: small programs that check the correctness of other programs
1922 2011-05-17 14:48:33 <TD> bitcoin c++ has none. this is not excellent
1923 2011-05-17 14:48:43 <BlueMatt> sorry, / that last one
1924 2011-05-17 14:48:56 <TheKid> TD ah, thanks
1925 2011-05-17 14:49:17 <horb> !seen luke-jr
1926 2011-05-17 14:49:33 <luke-jr> â¦
1927 2011-05-17 14:49:36 <TD> i'm implementing a simplified form of bitcoin in java and getting all the edge cases in re-org handling to pass the tests has been a total nightmare
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1930 2011-05-17 14:51:59 <TheKid> TD: will it support headers only mode?
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1932 2011-05-17 14:52:12 <TD> yes
1933 2011-05-17 14:52:13 <TheKid> and are you working with or independently of [mike]?
1934 2011-05-17 14:52:18 <TD> i am [mike]
1935 2011-05-17 14:52:43 <TheKid> oh, herp :P
1936 2011-05-17 14:53:02 <TheKid> don't mind me, I'm totally awesome at knowing people
1937 2011-05-17 14:53:11 <TD> well there's really no way to make that connection
1938 2011-05-17 14:53:13 <TheKid> (in my defense I usually just stick to -otc)
1939 2011-05-17 14:53:15 <TD> i use this nick for historical reasons
1940 2011-05-17 14:53:36 <TheKid> there isn't a gui for bitcoinj, is there?
1941 2011-05-17 14:53:54 <TD> no
1942 2011-05-17 14:54:22 <TheKid> once you've got everything tested, are you planning on working on one?
1943 2011-05-17 14:54:38 <TheKid> (sorry for the imprompteau interview, by the way- feel free to /ignore :P)
1944 2011-05-17 14:54:39 <sipa> i hope he doesn't need to, and others will do that anyway :)
1945 2011-05-17 14:54:57 <TD> there are already two android guis being written on top of it
1946 2011-05-17 14:55:03 <TD> as for desktop UI i haven't decided yet
1947 2011-05-17 14:55:10 <TD> there's plenty of work to do just supporting the needs of the android guys
1948 2011-05-17 14:55:14 <TheKid> right
1949 2011-05-17 14:55:21 <TD> i guess eventually it'll be nice to have a desktop app based on it
1950 2011-05-17 14:55:34 <TheKid> especially if it could tie in nicely with the android version
1951 2011-05-17 14:55:38 <TD> but yeah. i'd like to outsource that work if possible :) there are lots of java devs who could make a nice swing or swt gui
1952 2011-05-17 14:55:42 <TheKid> who is working on the android guis?
1953 2011-05-17 14:56:22 <jrmithdobbs> like there's such a thing as a nice swing or swt gui
1954 2011-05-17 14:56:26 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
1955 2011-05-17 14:56:49 <TheKid> ^
1956 2011-05-17 14:57:04 <TheKid> Hate to say it but I'm not really a java fan ;)
1957 2011-05-17 14:57:16 <sipa> well, what about this policy: all transactions get a score of (something like, needs tweaking) A*sum(amount*age_in_block,for each input)+time_in_queue*fee/size - age, and the only parameter miners can control is how much fee_income/size they want, and mining picks tx's by selecting them from high-prio to low-prio as long as the average fee is enough
1958 2011-05-17 14:57:25 <jrmithdobbs> ya tbqh the only usable ui that will come out of bitcoinj is for android
1959 2011-05-17 14:57:44 <TD> it's a lot better than it used to be, actually
1960 2011-05-17 14:57:49 <sipa> no free-tx reserved area, no low-priority tx's, every tx with fee eventually accepted
1961 2011-05-17 14:57:56 <TD> i made quite a nice app last year with java. it got rave reviews.
1962 2011-05-17 14:58:03 <TD> good choice of themes, colors and art makes a huge difference
1963 2011-05-17 14:58:06 <TheKid> sipa: I believe miners are able to do such things already, basically
1964 2011-05-17 14:58:16 <TheKid> luke-jr's pool only takes txs with fees
1965 2011-05-17 14:58:16 <sipa> of course, if they hack they client
1966 2011-05-17 14:58:21 <TheKid> well, right
1967 2011-05-17 14:58:32 <TheKid> but that's not prohibitively difficult for a pool operator to do/hire someone to do
1968 2011-05-17 14:58:32 <sipa> i just mean to make it default
1969 2011-05-17 14:58:43 <jrmithdobbs> TD: it's possible to do but most swing/swt stuff either the people writing it got lazy as fuck and so it's ugly or they know nothing about ui design so it's ugly in my experience
1970 2011-05-17 14:58:51 <TheKid> There's quite the discussion about what defaults should do or not do
1971 2011-05-17 14:59:13 <TheKid> essentially it was decided on that defaults will eventually be ignored so don't worry about them too much, especially as other clients are developed
1972 2011-05-17 14:59:29 <TheKid> the only problem is that some things are hard coded into the client to be a valid block, such as block size
1973 2011-05-17 14:59:30 <TD> yeah. it varies by platform too.
1974 2011-05-17 14:59:35 <TheKid> those things need new algorithms
1975 2011-05-17 14:59:36 <sipa> afaik all miners are currently still connected to a bitcoind
1976 2011-05-17 14:59:37 <TD> intellij has a pretty nice gui, i think
1977 2011-05-17 14:59:51 <TheKid> TD: Java just looks bloated imo
1978 2011-05-17 14:59:58 <jrmithdobbs> TD: swing/swt is unusable on anything that isn't windows basically
1979 2011-05-17 15:00:03 <TheKid> even very nicely designed java things are.... silly looking
1980 2011-05-17 15:00:15 <jrmithdobbs> TD: the mac ui elements don't even pretend to try and look native
1981 2011-05-17 15:00:31 <jrmithdobbs> without a LOT of work on the dev's part
1982 2011-05-17 15:00:36 <Akinava> possible guess sumarny Hashrate if you know difficulty? http://goo.gl/PUJLs
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1984 2011-05-17 15:00:47 <sipa> sumarny?
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1986 2011-05-17 15:00:52 <Akinava> yes
1987 2011-05-17 15:01:01 <TheKid> more people need to get into eligus
1988 2011-05-17 15:01:08 <TheKid> so that my payouts are more frequent
1989 2011-05-17 15:01:08 <TheKid> :P
1990 2011-05-17 15:01:14 <sipa> i have no idea what 'sumarny' means
1991 2011-05-17 15:02:00 <Akinava> *total
1992 2011-05-17 15:02:03 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,blocks
1993 2011-05-17 15:02:04 <gribble> 124622
1994 2011-05-17 15:02:46 <sipa> Akinava: the only formula is that 1 difficulty corresponds to 2^48/65535 hashes per 10 minutes, or 7158388 hash/s
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1996 2011-05-17 15:03:03 <sipa> but difficulty is always running behind on the real network speed
1997 2011-05-17 15:03:25 <mtrlt> if the network speed is increasing (which it is)
1998 2011-05-17 15:03:45 <sipa> see http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png eg
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2000 2011-05-17 15:03:59 <jrmithdobbs> mtrlt: no it's always running behind unless it's stagnant, dcreasing/increasing doesn't matter
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2002 2011-05-17 15:04:12 <minionminer> Anyone knows how to reduce ones stale?
2003 2011-05-17 15:04:21 <mtrlt> jrmithdobbs: well yea i understood "behind" as "being lower than"
2004 2011-05-17 15:04:27 <sipa> mtrlt: long polling, higher askrate, better network connection
2005 2011-05-17 15:04:50 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: you mean lower ask rate right?
2006 2011-05-17 15:04:57 <sipa> higher ask rate
2007 2011-05-17 15:05:03 <jrmithdobbs> how's that?
2008 2011-05-17 15:05:06 <mtrlt> yep and that was probably for minionminer :P
2009 2011-05-17 15:05:07 <sipa> ...
2010 2011-05-17 15:05:25 <sipa> lower ask rate = more stale shares obvliously, as you're more often working on old data
2011 2011-05-17 15:05:28 <jrmithdobbs> if you ask less often you're more likely to be working on stale data
2012 2011-05-17 15:05:31 <Akinava> sipa, thanks for the info
2013 2011-05-17 15:05:41 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: you know what the word 'rate' means? :)
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2015 2011-05-17 15:05:51 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: wait we're saying the same thing lol
2016 2011-05-17 15:05:55 <sipa> :D
2017 2011-05-17 15:06:06 <jrmithdobbs> just got up ;P
2018 2011-05-17 15:06:42 <minionminer> hehe so higher ask rates means lower workqueries?
2019 2011-05-17 15:06:59 <sipa> no, it means more getwork queries
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2021 2011-05-17 15:07:09 <jrmithdobbs> ask more often
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2023 2011-05-17 15:07:46 <minionminer> but i cant understund why one has to get bigger queries if others then solve the decryptation before you?
2024 2011-05-17 15:07:51 <minionminer> understand
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2026 2011-05-17 15:07:56 <ArtForz> if you get > 1% stales with LP, you're doing it wrong
2027 2011-05-17 15:08:13 <jrmithdobbs> aye
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2029 2011-05-17 15:08:22 <jrmithdobbs> i'd saying if >0.5%
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2031 2011-05-17 15:08:27 <jrmithdobbs> s/saying/say/
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2033 2011-05-17 15:08:36 <minionminer> after how long do you count on that?
2034 2011-05-17 15:08:45 <ArtForz> mainly depends on latency to pool server
2035 2011-05-17 15:08:50 <jrmithdobbs> eg, get aless latent pipe
2036 2011-05-17 15:09:38 <minionminer> okay, i have 3 hd 5870 cards in a miner - what would you do?
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2054 2011-05-17 15:29:07 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r76 /trunk/ (11 files in 2 dirs):
2055 2011-05-17 15:29:07 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: Another rewrite of the re-org handling:
2056 2011-05-17 15:29:07 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: - Split the unit tests for this into a separate file
2057 2011-05-17 15:29:07 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: - Add more tests for double spends, reversal of external spends and more edge cases
2058 2011-05-17 15:29:07 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: - Handle the case where transactions should be resurrected after a re-org
2059 2011-05-17 15:29:07 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: - Handle the case where transactions are overridden by double spends
2060 2011-05-17 15:29:08 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: Should address [some of] the points Miron raised during his review. There are likely still bugs but it's a lot closer to correct than before.
2061 2011-05-17 15:30:09 <kreal-> hmm
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2063 2011-05-17 15:30:56 <Blitzboom> another one: http://launch.is/blog/l020-is-bitcoin-the-wikileaks-of-monetary-policy.html
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2065 2011-05-17 15:31:38 <BlueMatt> god stop linking that terribly-written linkbait
2066 2011-05-17 15:31:49 <Blitzboom> :D
2067 2011-05-17 15:31:53 <z310> D:
2068 2011-05-17 15:31:53 <Blitzboom> hey, itâs generating interest
2069 2011-05-17 15:32:21 <Blitzboom> calacanis ftw
2070 2011-05-17 15:32:33 <Blitzboom> we *need* such stupid journalism
2071 2011-05-17 15:32:38 <Blitzboom> noone cares for anything else
2072 2011-05-17 15:32:43 <TD> i think we need responsible journalism ....
2073 2011-05-17 15:32:51 <Blitzboom> TD: noone will read it
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2075 2011-05-17 15:32:59 <BlueMatt> you arent gonna get it from jason calicanus or whatever his name is
2076 2011-05-17 15:33:01 <Blitzboom> or talk about it
2077 2011-05-17 15:33:53 <Blitzboom> "10 minutes in, still haven't generated a bitcoin. stupid."
2078 2011-05-17 15:34:04 <Blitzboom> meh, when will the option be taken out of the client?
2079 2011-05-17 15:34:12 <Blitzboom> 0.4?
2080 2011-05-17 15:34:27 <z310> most recent release
2081 2011-05-17 15:34:29 <z310> or something
2082 2011-05-17 15:34:37 <BlueMatt> 0.3.22
2083 2011-05-17 15:34:57 <Blitzboom> great. i hope it comes out soon
2084 2011-05-17 15:35:06 <Blitzboom> iâm tired of people wanting to generate BTC with their CPU
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2086 2011-05-17 15:35:09 <BlueMatt> aka next release already in rc
2087 2011-05-17 15:35:43 <z310> is it generally referred to as BTC?
2088 2011-05-17 15:35:50 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ok, I take back all the crap I said about portoption...turns out it is just the current crap of takes an hour to get your first outgoing connection...
2089 2011-05-17 15:35:57 <Blitzboom> itâs the most common abbreviation, yes
2090 2011-05-17 15:36:00 <BlueMatt> speaking of which, I think now is the time to start turning on upnp by default
2091 2011-05-17 15:36:05 <BlueMatt> this is getting rediculous
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2093 2011-05-17 15:36:17 <jrmithdobbs> how do we get people writing these articles to stop saying txns can't be traced
2094 2011-05-17 15:36:21 <jrmithdobbs> seriously that's infuriating
2095 2011-05-17 15:36:26 <BlueMatt> and only partially because I misspelled ridiculous
2096 2011-05-17 15:36:33 <jrmithdobbs> they can be traced by design
2097 2011-05-17 15:36:41 <ArtForz> jrmithdobbs: yeah
2098 2011-05-17 15:36:54 <ArtForz> calling bitcoin anonymous was imo a mistake
2099 2011-05-17 15:37:00 <BlueMatt> as I said, jason is not writing to write an article, hes writing to get links, its terribly written and people need to stop linking that crap
2100 2011-05-17 15:37:05 <ArtForz> it's pseudonymous really
2101 2011-05-17 15:37:16 <jrmithdobbs> someone put a big flashing red blurb on bitcoin.org that says TRANSACTIONS ARE NOT UNTRACABLE
2102 2011-05-17 15:37:19 <jrmithdobbs> haha
2103 2011-05-17 15:37:37 <z310> not untraceable haha
2104 2011-05-17 15:37:53 <Blitzboom> no, someone put an all-seeing eye there "we are watching you in the block chain"
2105 2011-05-17 15:37:56 <jrmithdobbs> aye it's only anonymous if money never leaves the system and you never spend any you get
2106 2011-05-17 15:38:02 <jrmithdobbs> and you only get them from mining
2107 2011-05-17 15:38:14 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r77 /trunk/ (25 files in 3 dirs): Fix javadoc rule in ant. Refresh Javadocs.
2108 2011-05-17 15:38:14 <jrmithdobbs> and even then not really
2109 2011-05-17 15:38:23 <z310> i was pointing out the double-negative :P
2110 2011-05-17 15:38:39 <jrmithdobbs> z310: it was intentional
2111 2011-05-17 15:38:53 <z310> yeah. sounds a lot better than "are traceable"
2112 2011-05-17 15:38:58 <jrmithdobbs> aye
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2121 2011-05-17 15:48:04 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: and you only use tor to communicate with bitcoin.
2122 2011-05-17 15:49:40 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r78 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/Wallet.java: Delete an unused method.
2123 2011-05-17 15:51:02 <z310> Anybody already following Ron Paul for the upcoming election?
2124 2011-05-17 15:51:41 <BlehTM> Hi does anyone know to what extent current GPU mining software can be optimized (if at all)? Just curious.
2125 2011-05-17 15:52:16 <yuzhe> rewrite sha256 to clasm
2126 2011-05-17 15:52:32 <yuzhe> Will get you additional 10-20%, or so I heard on the forums.
2127 2011-05-17 15:52:51 <ArtForz> nope
2128 2011-05-17 15:52:56 <sipa> BlehTM: there is little room for improvement left
2129 2011-05-17 15:53:03 <ArtForz> maybe 4-5% left
2130 2011-05-17 15:53:08 <ArtForz> if that
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2132 2011-05-17 15:53:32 <BlehTM> alright good to know thanks
2133 2011-05-17 15:54:54 <sacarlson> I don't hear to much about building an altera programable chip engine to make hashes as cheap as they are getting these days
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2135 2011-05-17 15:55:27 <sacarlson> my nabor showed me he had an altera develpment system
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2139 2011-05-17 15:59:17 <BlueMatt> wtf is clasm?
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2142 2011-05-17 16:00:09 <yuzhe> BlueMatt: ISA, there sure is ati equivalent too.
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2144 2011-05-17 16:00:42 <BlueMatt> sill no idea
2145 2011-05-17 16:01:37 <yuzhe> BlueMatt: https://github.com/laanwj/decuda/wiki
2146 2011-05-17 16:01:39 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Pieter Wuille master * rb201c1f / src/irc.cpp : Bugfix for dnslookup: irc.cpp still used old CAddress constructor - http://bit.ly/m6zJzu
2147 2011-05-17 16:01:49 <TD> we need somebody to moderate the dev forum more aggressively imho
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2151 2011-05-17 16:01:51 <yuzhe> Not familiar with non-cuda systems, yet.
2152 2011-05-17 16:02:04 <BlueMatt> TD: agree so much
2153 2011-05-17 16:02:17 <TD> i'm not convinced the existing mods actually read it .... :-)
2154 2011-05-17 16:02:21 <TD> are there any mods here?
2155 2011-05-17 16:02:34 <sipa> not sure, who are the mods? :)
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2157 2011-05-17 16:02:41 <TD> forum moderators
2158 2011-05-17 16:02:45 <TD> dunno
2159 2011-05-17 16:02:46 <TD> kiba is one
2160 2011-05-17 16:02:49 <TD> gavin
2161 2011-05-17 16:03:22 <z310> TD: Why does it need to be moderated more aggressively?
2162 2011-05-17 16:03:34 <TD> there are quite a few threads that aren't to do with development or technical discussion
2163 2011-05-17 16:03:40 <TD> or are better suited for the "bitcoin discussion" forum
2164 2011-05-17 16:03:52 <BlueMatt> bitcoin discussion has too much crap too
2165 2011-05-17 16:03:52 <acfrazier> Anyone know what would be causing this error in cellminer? libspe2 is installed
2166 2011-05-17 16:03:53 <acfrazier> http://pastebin.com/nRhFvy1U
2167 2011-05-17 16:04:18 <TD> there's some rambling diatribe about drugs again, the wifi thread is probably better suited for the marketplace or discussion forum
2168 2011-05-17 16:04:30 <Kiba> aggressively?
2169 2011-05-17 16:04:36 <Kiba> there's more people more than ever
2170 2011-05-17 16:04:41 <TD> well, i mean, move threads around
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2172 2011-05-17 16:04:46 <Kiba> generating at least a thousand posts a day
2173 2011-05-17 16:04:54 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #22: ABORTED in 1 min 44 sec: http://www.bluematt.me/jenkins/job/Bitcoin/22/
2174 2011-05-17 16:04:55 <BlueMattBot> pieter.wuille: Bugfix for dnslookup: irc.cpp still used old CAddress constructor
2175 2011-05-17 16:05:02 <sipa> wtf
2176 2011-05-17 16:05:05 <BlueMatt> sorry, doing some other maintinence
2177 2011-05-17 16:05:07 <BlueMatt> aborted
2178 2011-05-17 16:05:11 <sipa> ok
2179 2011-05-17 16:05:16 <Kiba> the last time I moved threads around, people gotten very angry
2180 2011-05-17 16:05:19 <BlueMatt> Ill let it go again when Im done doing some other mingw testing
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2186 2011-05-17 16:07:37 <Kiba> WTF
2187 2011-05-17 16:07:48 <Kiba> I have 55.23 USD in my paypal account
2188 2011-05-17 16:08:01 <BlueMatt> what you dont want it? Ill take it
2189 2011-05-17 16:08:07 <sipa> and this is strange because...?
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2191 2011-05-17 16:09:14 <Kiba> sipa: because I thought have nothing my paypal balance
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2193 2011-05-17 16:09:34 <BlueMatt> again, send it to me then you will be happy :)
2194 2011-05-17 16:09:36 <sipa> well, sell it for btc on otc :)
2195 2011-05-17 16:10:06 <Blitzboom> who would want PPUSD generated at difficulty 0?
2196 2011-05-17 16:10:24 <sipa> ...?
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2198 2011-05-17 16:10:52 <Blitzboom> just kidding. unfortunately, there are lots of people valuing paypal money
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2210 2011-05-17 16:22:39 <BlueMatt> oh shit that cancel probably fired gavin an email, sorry gavin
2211 2011-05-17 16:23:00 <TheKid> haha what'd you do?
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2213 2011-05-17 16:23:22 <BlueMatt> cancled the build sanity test, see BlueMattBot's comment above
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2219 2011-05-17 16:26:18 <TheKid> I would if I had been logged in :P not that big a deal though
2220 2011-05-17 16:27:06 <BlueMatt> there are chan logs in the topic
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2228 2011-05-17 16:33:02 <BitterTea> Anyone else getting a much larger number of connections recently?
2229 2011-05-17 16:33:23 <BitterTea> I had almost 100 when I opened my client earlier today
2230 2011-05-17 16:34:12 <Mookman288> Opening the client reducesmy MH/s so I haven't done so today.
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2232 2011-05-17 16:35:27 <z310> lol
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2235 2011-05-17 16:38:31 <BitterTea> Mookman288: Do you have the "generate coins" setting on in the client?
2236 2011-05-17 16:38:58 <Mookman288> No, but it utilizes some level of the CPU and that's not helpful to me.
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2238 2011-05-17 16:39:24 <TD> hmmm
2239 2011-05-17 16:39:55 <TD> i wonder if somebody could set up a CC based seller of bitcoins using something like ccnetpay
2240 2011-05-17 16:40:32 <Mookman288> I believe that would only be successful if you could convince your gateway that they were a product not a currency.
2241 2011-05-17 16:40:52 <TD> ccnetpay claim they accept anything that's legal
2242 2011-05-17 16:40:58 <TD> i am skeptical but they do the "high risk" category
2243 2011-05-17 16:41:18 <Mookman288> Currency conversion is somewhat dangerous.
2244 2011-05-17 16:42:01 <yuzhe> its not problem to setup cc gateway per se
2245 2011-05-17 16:42:17 <yuzhe> trouble arises from the enormous abuse this will involve
2246 2011-05-17 16:42:46 <TheKid> TD: doesn't solve the problem of chargebacks though
2247 2011-05-17 16:42:51 <TD> no, obviously not
2248 2011-05-17 16:42:57 <TheKid> though maybe mndrix can work on that
2249 2011-05-17 16:42:59 <TD> mndrix was able to keep fraud under control though
2250 2011-05-17 16:43:01 <TD> exactly
2251 2011-05-17 16:43:02 <TheKid> he apparently had a pretty good system
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2253 2011-05-17 16:43:26 <BitterTea> What about selling BitBills using credit cards? It's kind of like a gift card...
2254 2011-05-17 16:43:34 <yuzhe> another possibility is use high-fraud optimised CC processor
2255 2011-05-17 16:43:37 <yuzhe> like ccbill
2256 2011-05-17 16:44:10 <yuzhe> they have like 20% comission however to cater for chargebacks
2257 2011-05-17 16:44:32 <TheKid> woah what
2258 2011-05-17 16:44:34 <TheKid> 20%?
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2260 2011-05-17 16:44:35 <TD> BitterTea: not exactly easy though
2261 2011-05-17 16:44:36 <TheKid> that's insane
2262 2011-05-17 16:44:44 <TD> well, the ones i'm seeing on searches are more like 5%
2263 2011-05-17 16:44:47 <TD> but yeah the rates are pretty crazy
2264 2011-05-17 16:44:49 <jgarzik> mndrix' system was far below paypal's desired fraud rate, even for high risk processors.
2265 2011-05-17 16:44:56 <jgarzik> but somebody got a burr about TOS
2266 2011-05-17 16:45:03 <yuzhe> TheKid: they're dealing with the fraud for you. it's a porn industry :)
2267 2011-05-17 16:45:09 <TheKid> fuck paypal
2268 2011-05-17 16:45:12 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: see my email? any chance you can whip up some 22rc2 builds?
2269 2011-05-17 16:45:14 <TheKid> yuzhe: still, 20% is awful
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2271 2011-05-17 16:45:37 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.22/test/
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2273 2011-05-17 16:45:41 <jgarzik> ^^ source tarball
2274 2011-05-17 16:45:51 <TD> you could probably start out with the regular and if your chargeback rate is too high, they'd upgrade you ?
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2277 2011-05-17 16:45:53 <TD> not sure how it works
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2279 2011-05-17 16:45:58 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yea, sorry Im debugging some mingw crap on my build server atm, as soon as I figure that out I will
2280 2011-05-17 16:46:03 <yuzhe> TheKid: they've several rates according to fraud/chargeback rate
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2282 2011-05-17 16:46:36 <yuzhe> TheKid: after you prove its not that bad (ie pre-screen your clients somehow)
2283 2011-05-17 16:47:07 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: out of curiosity does cpuminer build with -mthreads ?
2284 2011-05-17 16:47:09 <TheKid> is there a rate table?
2285 2011-05-17 16:47:51 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: it builds with -pthreads
2286 2011-05-17 16:48:00 <BlueMatt> on mingw?
2287 2011-05-17 16:48:05 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yes
2288 2011-05-17 16:48:23 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: that makes the compiler DTRT with threads
2289 2011-05-17 16:48:23 <BlueMatt> huh? I wasn't aware -pthread worked on mingw-gcc
2290 2011-05-17 16:48:39 <yuzhe> TheKid: http://www.ccbill.com/online-merchants/services-comparison.php .. they're quite silent on exact rates
2291 2011-05-17 16:48:40 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yep, works fine
2292 2011-05-17 16:48:49 * BlueMatt facepalm
2293 2011-05-17 16:49:01 <yuzhe> TheKid: lurk around gfy.com where cc processors and abuse is discussed in deeper detail
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2295 2011-05-17 16:50:10 <Blitzboom> https://www.quora.com/Bitcoin/Is-the-cryptocurrency-Bitcoin-a-good-idea/answer/Adam-Cohen-2?srid=Tf7
2296 2011-05-17 16:50:20 <Blitzboom> "Bitcoin is a ludicrously bad idea. It is a scam. A Scam. It is not a currency"
2297 2011-05-17 16:51:18 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: hm, I always get i586-mingw32msvc-g++: unrecognized option '-pthreads"
2298 2011-05-17 16:51:26 <BlueMatt> hence -mthreads which is being a bitch
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2301 2011-05-17 16:52:19 <sipa> sacarlson: i fixed it
2302 2011-05-17 16:52:49 <yuzhe> BlueMatt: enrich early adopters
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2304 2011-05-17 16:53:00 <yuzhe> Blitzboom: enrich early adopters
2305 2011-05-17 16:53:11 <sipa> note that it first tries to connect to the ip, and only if it fails, tries the domain name
2306 2011-05-17 16:53:15 <yuzhe> Blitzboom: haha, butthurt. its nice to see capitalist envious
2307 2011-05-17 16:53:23 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yes, I'd use -mthreads if not -pthreads
2308 2011-05-17 16:53:23 <Blitzboom> yep. clearly jelly
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2310 2011-05-17 16:53:48 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I might even need to add -mthreads in addition, in my builds. maybe mingw32-configure does that under the hood.
2311 2011-05-17 16:53:54 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yea, bitcoin is set up to use -mthreads and it should but...its not static linking some mingw32 dll which it static links properly on windows
2312 2011-05-17 16:54:10 <BlueMatt> (when built on windows)
2313 2011-05-17 16:54:20 <Blitzboom> "Bitcoin is not designed to be a functioning currency, it's designed to enrich early adopters. Again, that is why it is a scam. Period."
2314 2011-05-17 16:54:36 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: no one agrees with that, so why are you linking it?
2315 2011-05-17 16:54:46 <Blitzboom> "28 votes by John H. Hillman, V, Eunji Choi, John Clover, (more)"
2316 2011-05-17 16:54:52 <Blitzboom> doesnât seem like noone agrees to it
2317 2011-05-17 16:55:03 <BlueMatt> no one here...
2318 2011-05-17 16:55:11 <Blitzboom> of course not
2319 2011-05-17 16:55:22 <Blitzboom> important to know what people think though :P
2320 2011-05-17 16:55:35 <BlueMatt> not on -dev ;)
2321 2011-05-17 16:55:43 <Blitzboom> ok, sorry
2322 2011-05-17 16:57:01 <TD> well, i've seen lots of arguments like that one before. agreed it's better for #bitcoin or the discuss part of the forum
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2325 2011-05-17 17:00:59 <nate_> how much is one bitcoin worth
2326 2011-05-17 17:01:16 <sipa> around $7
2327 2011-05-17 17:01:22 <sipa> currently
2328 2011-05-17 17:01:46 <ne0futur> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#kgbcmPPUSDzrg180zigHourlyzvztgMzbgEza1gSMAzm1g10za2gWMAzm2g25zi1gVolzi2gPVT
2329 2011-05-17 17:01:53 <nate_> do people just trade them?
2330 2011-05-17 17:02:12 <sipa> see mtgox.com
2331 2011-05-17 17:02:26 <ne0futur> yes people trade bitcoins for sure
2332 2011-05-17 17:02:36 <ne0futur> and sometimes use them to pay a service
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2335 2011-05-17 17:03:16 <ne0futur> ( http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1687.0 )
2336 2011-05-17 17:03:27 <ne0futur> hum i ll have to update my btc prices ;(
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2338 2011-05-17 17:05:03 <Speeder> people please upvote that http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/hcxzx/rbitcoin_has_shot_past_1000_readers_do_you_want/
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2340 2011-05-17 17:06:11 <nanotube> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7749.msg125549#msg125549 thoughts, anyone?
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2342 2011-05-17 17:07:11 <luke-jr> nanotube: love it
2343 2011-05-17 17:08:10 <nanotube> cool :)
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2354 2011-05-17 17:20:48 <Ghici> Hey guys
2355 2011-05-17 17:20:49 <TheKid> how feasible would be to increase divisibility?
2356 2011-05-17 17:20:53 <TheKid> like how hard coded is that?
2357 2011-05-17 17:20:55 <TheKid> hi Ghici
2358 2011-05-17 17:20:59 <Ghici> I got a question
2359 2011-05-17 17:21:18 <Mookman288> You should probably just ask away.
2360 2011-05-17 17:21:31 <Ghici> I don't get the part, mine the blocks :S
2361 2011-05-17 17:21:52 <TheKid> explain what you think bitcoin is and how it works
2362 2011-05-17 17:21:55 <TheKid> and we'll go from there
2363 2011-05-17 17:22:19 <Ghici> BitCoin is online wallet, that stores money in a safe place
2364 2011-05-17 17:22:27 <Ghici> I can send/recive/buy items with it
2365 2011-05-17 17:22:28 <Mookman288> Not the way I see it.
2366 2011-05-17 17:22:35 <luke-jr> TheKid: it would be as easy as changing the reward to something other than 50 BTC
2367 2011-05-17 17:22:36 <Ghici> and that's it i guess.
2368 2011-05-17 17:22:50 <luke-jr> TheKid: or the total amount to other than 21million
2369 2011-05-17 17:23:15 <luke-jr> Ghici: mining is just technical details, you can ignore
2370 2011-05-17 17:23:39 <Mookman288> Bitcoin is a currency.
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2374 2011-05-17 17:24:41 <Ghici> So...
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2376 2011-05-17 17:25:42 <acfrazier> alright, well I got cellminer to run, except now I get a segfault saying spu_create(): Invalid argument
2377 2011-05-17 17:25:43 <Ghici> How the hell i collect coins ?
2378 2011-05-17 17:25:56 <Mookman288> So when you mine, through solo or pool, you generate bitcoins.
2379 2011-05-17 17:25:58 <luke-jr> Ghici: you buy/earn them, and don't spend them
2380 2011-05-17 17:26:01 <Mookman288> Or rather, you are "rewarded"
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2382 2011-05-17 17:26:14 <iera> luke-jr: is the mhash/s value of coin-control exact?
2383 2011-05-17 17:26:22 <ne0futur> Ghici: you sell your work for bitcoins :p
2384 2011-05-17 17:26:24 <iera> luke-jr: its about the half of what i submit
2385 2011-05-17 17:26:27 <Ghici> How do i earn them ?
2386 2011-05-17 17:26:39 <sacarlson> TheKid: divisibility? you want 1 btc to have more than 1 million units?
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2388 2011-05-17 17:27:38 <TheKid> scarlyes
2389 2011-05-17 17:27:53 <ezl> ;;authenticate
2390 2011-05-17 17:27:53 <gribble> Error: "authenticate" is not a valid command.
2391 2011-05-17 17:27:59 <latregetic> Does anyone know what hash algorithm we use when we're mining?
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2393 2011-05-17 17:28:05 <ezl> ;;identify
2394 2011-05-17 17:28:06 <gribble> Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
2395 2011-05-17 17:28:06 <latregetic> Is it just SHA-256?
2396 2011-05-17 17:28:33 <TheKid> luke-jr: not to make more bitcoins and thus devalue the holdings of other people
2397 2011-05-17 17:28:44 <TheKid> but to let the client interact with smaller amounts of bitcoins
2398 2011-05-17 17:28:44 <x6763> latregetic: yes, SHA-256, but it's hashed twice: sha256(sha256(blockheader))
2399 2011-05-17 17:29:07 <luke-jr> iera: unlikely
2400 2011-05-17 17:29:15 <latregetic> awesome, thanks
2401 2011-05-17 17:29:15 <TheKid> we may as well get a head start
2402 2011-05-17 17:29:24 <latregetic> I'm arguing with a guy about FPGA board powere mining
2403 2011-05-17 17:29:26 <luke-jr> sacarlson: BTC is 100 million units
2404 2011-05-17 17:29:37 <Mookman288> What are you arguing latregetic?
2405 2011-05-17 17:29:40 <luke-jr> TheKid: those two things are just as difficult
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2407 2011-05-17 17:30:05 <latregetic> ballpark hash/sec
2408 2011-05-17 17:30:16 <sacarlson> luke-jr: ya I don't count zeroooooos too good
2409 2011-05-17 17:30:20 <iera> luke-jr: k
2410 2011-05-17 17:30:36 <luke-jr> iera: if you see jarly, tell him to talk to me
2411 2011-05-17 17:30:42 <iera> luke-jr: ok
2412 2011-05-17 17:30:55 <sacarlson> luke-jr: wow I'm a billion are
2413 2011-05-17 17:31:57 <TheKid> luke-jr: not arguing the difference in difficulty
2414 2011-05-17 17:32:10 <TheKid> but that one would devalue all other btc in circulation
2415 2011-05-17 17:32:10 <latregetic> depending on the FPGA, optimization, and command/control overhead, you could see anywhere from 50Gh/sec to 3.3Th/sec
2416 2011-05-17 17:32:22 <latregetic> on a $400 board
2417 2011-05-17 17:32:26 <luke-jr> TheKid: or increase the value, potentially
2418 2011-05-17 17:32:54 <luke-jr> TheKid: but it would break compatibility with older clients, so the original client will never merge it
2419 2011-05-17 17:33:13 <luke-jr> TheKid: if you want it, help reduce its market share
2420 2011-05-17 17:33:27 <ArtForz> latregetic: ROFL
2421 2011-05-17 17:33:38 <ArtForz> off by a few orders of magnitude
2422 2011-05-17 17:34:23 <latregetic> How so?
2423 2011-05-17 17:34:37 <ArtForz> on a $400 *board* you're lucky to get 30Mhps
2424 2011-05-17 17:34:47 <ArtForz> on a $400 *chip* you might get 100
2425 2011-05-17 17:35:04 <latregetic> This is also using ebay prices on used (maybe) working gear
2426 2011-05-17 17:35:12 <latregetic> new prices are probably 10-25x that
2427 2011-05-17 17:35:17 <ArtForz> aka "old, small and slow as fuck"
2428 2011-05-17 17:35:36 <latregetic> yeah, probably
2429 2011-05-17 17:35:47 <TheKid> luke-jr: of course it would break compatibility, but it could be something like at block 210000, new txs will be accepted down to .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 or something
2430 2011-05-17 17:36:18 <ArtForz> 3 generations old $10000 chip = now about as fast as a $100 chip
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2433 2011-05-17 17:36:41 <diki> So what are we going to do with cypherfox?
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2435 2011-05-17 17:36:51 <ArtForz> mainly because high-end chips have huge margins, moore's law does the rest
2436 2011-05-17 17:37:08 <luke-jr> TheKid: that amount of divisibility would break A LOT of compatibilityh
2437 2011-05-17 17:37:16 kreal- is now known as Kriz
2438 2011-05-17 17:37:21 <luke-jr> TheKid: that is, all Bitcoin-related code at every level would need rewriting
2439 2011-05-17 17:37:26 Kriz is now known as kreal-
2440 2011-05-17 17:37:39 <luke-jr> TheKid: if we're going to do that, we should switch to varint fractions
2441 2011-05-17 17:37:57 <latregetic> ArtForz: I stand corrected, the $400 price point isn't correct
2442 2011-05-17 17:38:11 <latregetic> but the hashes/second values looks correct to one order of magnitude
2443 2011-05-17 17:38:23 <diki> Can someone answer me this: I am going to get another 5850 to mine....after the diff continues to increase...will it still be able to produce 200+ shares per hour on a pool?
2444 2011-05-17 17:38:27 <ArtForz> errr... nope
2445 2011-05-17 17:38:37 <ArtForz> maybe rounds/second
2446 2011-05-17 17:38:41 <ArtForz> but not hashes
2447 2011-05-17 17:38:43 <luke-jr> diki: yes
2448 2011-05-17 17:38:49 <diki> for how long?
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2450 2011-05-17 17:39:02 <diki> The diff will increase especially with the 2 FPGA cluster guy
2451 2011-05-17 17:39:07 <luke-jr> diki: forever
2452 2011-05-17 17:39:16 <luke-jr> diki: pool shares are always difficulty 1
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2454 2011-05-17 17:39:32 <ArtForz> you won't be fitting a unrolled bitcoinhash engine on anything smaller than a S6 100 or cyclone IV 115 or so
2455 2011-05-17 17:39:48 <diki> Cyperfox said think more like http://www.dinigroup.com/new/DNBFC_S12_12_Cluster.html
2456 2011-05-17 17:40:19 <diki> He is porting a miner to one of those. How much hash power will he have?
2457 2011-05-17 17:40:29 <diki> Not one, two i meant
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2459 2011-05-17 17:41:08 <ArtForz> 144 S6 LX150 ... about 12-14Ghps/box or so
2460 2011-05-17 17:41:52 <ArtForz> at a cost of probably > $50k/box
2461 2011-05-17 17:42:02 <latregetic> Huh, that's not nearly as high as I thought
2462 2011-05-17 17:42:11 <diki> 50 thousand is a lot
2463 2011-05-17 17:42:15 <latregetic> but then again, one VHDL course in college 5 years ago does not an expert make
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2465 2011-05-17 17:42:35 <ArtForz> diki: iirc quote for one of those cards is $9000 or so ...
2466 2011-05-17 17:42:40 <quup> how long does it usually take for a transaction to start spreading in the testnet?
2467 2011-05-17 17:42:45 <TheKid> luke-jr: that's why we should start now, and it will be a while before it takes effect
2468 2011-05-17 17:42:49 <TheKid> a transition period
2469 2011-05-17 17:43:08 <diki> start what TheKid?
2470 2011-05-17 17:43:18 <ArtForz> even figuring in volume discount, $50k is probably way too low
2471 2011-05-17 17:43:20 <luke-jr> TheKid: there is no transition period when you break compatibility at all levels
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2473 2011-05-17 17:43:33 <luke-jr> only if you break it at the lowest level
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2475 2011-05-17 17:43:50 <luke-jr> which only provides maybe 3 more places
2476 2011-05-17 17:43:50 <latregetic> The other question is if these boxes were basically idle because they're college compute engines, then the marginal cost is the electricity and bandwidth
2477 2011-05-17 17:43:53 <diki> So luke, did you on pushpool create your own sqlite3 tables for users and stuff like that ?
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2479 2011-05-17 17:44:03 <latregetic> buying new is retarded, but borowing free time is not
2480 2011-05-17 17:44:07 <luke-jr> diki: yes, when I was using sqlite3
2481 2011-05-17 17:44:16 <ArtForz> latregetic: true
2482 2011-05-17 17:44:18 <TheKid> luke-jr: even changing it so that it accepts txs after a certain block down to a certain divisibility would be impossible to code in without breaking everything?
2483 2011-05-17 17:44:21 <diki> Did you have to change a lot of code to acomodate the new tables ?
2484 2011-05-17 17:44:25 <luke-jr> no
2485 2011-05-17 17:44:28 <quup> is there some faster way to try out stuff than the testnet?
2486 2011-05-17 17:44:47 <TheKid> seems like it could be two different functions, sendtx and sendtx_210000
2487 2011-05-17 17:44:48 <diki> I am just wondering what kind of modifications i will have to do to make it work
2488 2011-05-17 17:45:00 <luke-jr> TheKid: output
2489 2011-05-17 17:45:01 <TheKid> sendtx_210000 would be what bitcoin uses after block 210000
2490 2011-05-17 17:45:02 <diki> I mean, it compiled, it runs ok...
2491 2011-05-17 17:45:07 <TheKid> luke-jr: ?
2492 2011-05-17 17:45:20 <luke-jr> diki: it's fine as-is. you just need to use your head.
2493 2011-05-17 17:45:25 <sacarlson> TheKid: I'm not sure what your talking about you can already transact very small numbers
2494 2011-05-17 17:45:39 <luke-jr> TheKid: it might be viable with something like the new wallet protocol, if it's introduced off-the-bat
2495 2011-05-17 17:45:49 <diki> What about the balances file in the json format...i didnt notice such code in pushpool
2496 2011-05-17 17:46:04 <luke-jr> diki: pushpool isn't a whole pool
2497 2011-05-17 17:46:32 <diki> So..you wrote more code to make it work?
2498 2011-05-17 17:46:35 <TheKid> sacarlson: yes, but we may as well increase divisibility far below what we'll need before it becomes an issue
2499 2011-05-17 17:46:43 <luke-jr> diki: I wrote the code for the other parts of a pool
2500 2011-05-17 17:46:57 <TheKid> my point is that there is concern about only 8 decimal places, why not add more to safeguard against it
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2502 2011-05-17 17:47:06 <diki> In C i assume
2503 2011-05-17 17:47:11 <luke-jr> diki: no
2504 2011-05-17 17:47:18 <sacarlson> TheKid: just move the decimal place when you need to type too many zeros
2505 2011-05-17 17:47:28 <latregetic> at 8 decimal places, most people can't really understand it
2506 2011-05-17 17:47:35 <diki> Then luke, i see nothing else than http://dashjr.org/~luke-jr/programs/bitcoin/pool/
2507 2011-05-17 17:47:40 <latregetic> at least on the viceral 'this cost me x monies' level
2508 2011-05-17 17:47:46 <TheKid> sacarlson: I'm talking about moving the decimal place
2509 2011-05-17 17:47:49 <Titeuf_87> quup, you could look at having your own personal testnet: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/testnet-in-a-box/
2510 2011-05-17 17:47:50 <TheKid> er, no
2511 2011-05-17 17:47:53 <luke-jr> sacarlson: that doesn't help you divide by 3
2512 2011-05-17 17:47:54 <TheKid> allowing further divisibility
2513 2011-05-17 17:47:58 <sacarlson> TheKid: well we also have infinite number of encrypted chains
2514 2011-05-17 17:48:07 <TheKid> of what?
2515 2011-05-17 17:48:23 <quup> Titeuf_87: fantastic, thanks
2516 2011-05-17 17:48:27 <sacarlson> TheKid: like weeds we already have more than one
2517 2011-05-17 17:48:36 <TheKid> sacarlson: what are you talking about
2518 2011-05-17 17:48:51 <TheKid> I'm trying to follow, but you lost me at encrypted chains
2519 2011-05-17 17:48:54 <TheKid> the block chain?
2520 2011-05-17 17:49:03 <sacarlson> TheKid: you wanted more coins so I made more
2521 2011-05-17 17:49:11 <TheKid> no
2522 2011-05-17 17:49:14 <TheKid> that is different
2523 2011-05-17 17:49:17 <TheKid> I don't want more coins
2524 2011-05-17 17:49:21 <TheKid> listen carefully
2525 2011-05-17 17:49:23 <quup> Titeuf_87: it wont try to find nodes or anything and confuse people?
2526 2011-05-17 17:49:44 <TheKid> I propose allowing further divisibility of the 21 mil coins we will have
2527 2011-05-17 17:49:55 <luke-jr> 21 mil BTC*
2528 2011-05-17 17:50:01 <TheKid> right
2529 2011-05-17 17:50:04 <luke-jr> which results in more raw bitcoins
2530 2011-05-17 17:50:12 <TheKid> no
2531 2011-05-17 17:50:20 <luke-jr> yes
2532 2011-05-17 17:50:25 <TheKid> well, wait, by raw bitcoins do you mean base units/
2533 2011-05-17 17:50:28 <luke-jr> there are 21 quintillion raw bitcoins
2534 2011-05-17 17:50:30 <TheKid> if so, then yes
2535 2011-05-17 17:50:32 <sacarlson> TheKid: plus the 210000000000000000000000000 weeds
2536 2011-05-17 17:50:34 <edcba> TheKid: difficult to do
2537 2011-05-17 17:50:51 <Titeuf_87> quup, no, it's really your own personal testnet, with two nodes by default, but you can easily add more by copying the configs provided
2538 2011-05-17 17:51:09 <luke-jr> TheKid: anyhow, it doesn't matter. gavin et al will never merge it
2539 2011-05-17 17:51:21 <TheKid> edcba: it could potentially be a problem with only 8 decimals of divisibility, and it is easier to change now
2540 2011-05-17 17:51:25 <quup> Titeuf_87: great, thanks
2541 2011-05-17 17:51:33 <sacarlson> TheKid: I think we will already have more units of btc than all the currency on the planet today
2542 2011-05-17 17:51:54 <luke-jr> sacarlson: we don't, and won't.
2543 2011-05-17 17:52:17 <diki> If 6 mil blocks were found for 2-3 years
2544 2011-05-17 17:52:20 <luke-jr> sacarlson: bitcoin volume grows linearly, at best. human population grows exponentially, normally
2545 2011-05-17 17:52:23 <diki> then it would be around 10 to find the rest
2546 2011-05-17 17:52:30 <TheKid> sacarlson: yes, but planning for the future is something we should do
2547 2011-05-17 17:53:28 <sacarlson> luke-jr: TheKid well if they run out I guess they will need more of my weeds and I'll make my beer coins with 256 bit int to be safe
2548 2011-05-17 17:53:28 <luke-jr> TheKid: quantum computing is liable to become a bigger problem first
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2551 2011-05-17 17:53:38 <latregetic> 21 quintillion 100ths of a cent is still a retarded pile of currency in circulation
2552 2011-05-17 17:53:55 <TheKid> luke-jr: probably
2553 2011-05-17 17:53:59 <luke-jr> latregetic: there aren't 21 quintillion in circulation
2554 2011-05-17 17:54:06 <TheKid> but we can't really work against that as far as I know
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2556 2011-05-17 17:54:11 <luke-jr> TheKid: yes we can
2557 2011-05-17 17:54:18 <TheKid> well then I'm wrong :)
2558 2011-05-17 17:54:20 <luke-jr> TheKid: it's just difficult :P
2559 2011-05-17 17:54:20 <latregetic> 21 million total with 8 decimal places of divisibility?
2560 2011-05-17 17:54:22 <yuzhe> qunatum crypto btc2.0!
2561 2011-05-17 17:54:29 <latregetic> well, 21 mil total eventually
2562 2011-05-17 17:55:02 <TheKid> luke-jr: as difficult as adding divisibility?
2563 2011-05-17 17:55:11 <luke-jr> no, more difficult
2564 2011-05-17 17:55:18 <luke-jr> adding divisibility doesn't require brain power
2565 2011-05-17 17:55:22 <luke-jr> just decision making
2566 2011-05-17 17:55:31 <TheKid> yeah
2567 2011-05-17 17:55:31 <luke-jr> dealing with quantum issues requires brain power
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2569 2011-05-17 17:55:37 <TheKid> so tackle the easy problem first :)
2570 2011-05-17 17:55:41 <TheKid> easier*
2571 2011-05-17 17:55:43 <luke-jr> no
2572 2011-05-17 17:55:55 <luke-jr> it's so easy, it can be taken forgranted when the bigger problem is solved
2573 2011-05-17 17:56:08 <topi`> luke-jr: is there a way to see the current hash rate of eligius?
2574 2011-05-17 17:56:15 <luke-jr> topi`: not right now, sorry
2575 2011-05-17 17:56:18 <topi`> so that I can calculate how much my shares are worth
2576 2011-05-17 17:56:26 <TheKid> I disagree- we don't want to get caught with our pants down like what has happened with ipv4
2577 2011-05-17 17:56:29 <luke-jr> topi`: http://eligius.st/~luke-jr/raw/hashrate.txt is the closest you can get
2578 2011-05-17 17:57:07 <topi`> that seems to be around 5 gigahas
2579 2011-05-17 17:57:08 <topi`> h
2580 2011-05-17 17:57:22 <diki> So what other part of the pool did you write luke? The php file called hashrate?
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2582 2011-05-17 17:57:23 <quup> Titeuf_87: does one have to be generating for things to work?
2583 2011-05-17 17:57:24 <luke-jr> topi`: moving to combined dir
2584 2011-05-17 17:57:32 <luke-jr> diki: the core
2585 2011-05-17 17:57:39 <diki> isn't that already there?
2586 2011-05-17 17:57:43 <luke-jr> diki: no
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2588 2011-05-17 17:57:49 <XX01XX> Would anyone be interested in using the P2P blockchain system to control ownership of Monetary Data Tokens without attached denomination?
2589 2011-05-17 17:58:05 <luke-jr> XX01XX: no. go away. :P
2590 2011-05-17 17:58:07 <latregetic> what?
2591 2011-05-17 17:58:10 <diki> So you wrote this in pushpool's code and recompiled?
2592 2011-05-17 17:58:14 <luke-jr> diki: no.
2593 2011-05-17 17:58:14 <Titeuf_87> quup, if you want transactions to get confirmed, then yes, you'll need to generate. But the difficulty is low, so it shouldn't take too long.
2594 2011-05-17 17:58:22 <diki> Then please be more descriptive
2595 2011-05-17 17:58:25 <luke-jr> diki: no.
2596 2011-05-17 17:58:29 <diki> lol
2597 2011-05-17 17:58:40 <luke-jr> I refuse to help idiots who can't think for themselves.
2598 2011-05-17 17:58:44 <luke-jr> sorry
2599 2011-05-17 17:58:48 <diki> and i think of myself, because...?
2600 2011-05-17 17:58:49 <XX01XX> Rather than trading any particular currency, it would just be a token... all associations with money and value would be determined offline.
2601 2011-05-17 17:58:59 <latregetic> What's the average transaction time to get 6 verifications?
2602 2011-05-17 17:59:04 <quup> Titeuf_87: seconds/minutes/hours on a core2 2GHz?
2603 2011-05-17 17:59:10 <TheKid> latregetic: less than an hour
2604 2011-05-17 17:59:13 <luke-jr> latregetic: an hour, if you paid a reasonably high fee
2605 2011-05-17 17:59:28 <TheKid> depending on transaction priority of course
2606 2011-05-17 17:59:43 <sacarlson> XX01XX: like a smartcard I guess
2607 2011-05-17 17:59:51 <luke-jr> latregetic: note that 6 verifications is equivalent to 6 months after a credit card purchase
2608 2011-05-17 17:59:57 <luke-jr> in terms of security
2609 2011-05-17 18:00:04 <latregetic> yeah
2610 2011-05-17 18:00:06 <Titeuf_87> quup, umm, I only generated one block, I think it took around 15 minutes on a similar cpu, but I'm not sure anymore
2611 2011-05-17 18:00:20 <luke-jr> Titeuf_87: CPUs can't generate blocks
2612 2011-05-17 18:00:34 <quup> Titeuf_87: ok
2613 2011-05-17 18:00:40 <luke-jr> oh, testnet
2614 2011-05-17 18:00:43 <Titeuf_87> luke-jr, on the testnet
2615 2011-05-17 18:00:57 <XX01XX> sacarlson... well, the point would be that you could entrench the system in non-money transactions... you could hook facebook thumbs, reddit upvotes, diggs, etc. into the system
2616 2011-05-17 18:01:05 <latregetic> What's the rough computational complexity for computing one block, in terms of hashs?
2617 2011-05-17 18:01:12 <diki> So you wrote the core...which is not in C...there are no files or front end....what the hell did you write?
2618 2011-05-17 18:01:18 <luke-jr> latregetic: varies
2619 2011-05-17 18:01:21 <diki> If it's the tables, that's not the core lol
2620 2011-05-17 18:01:40 <luke-jr> diki: there are files, just not ones for you to see
2621 2011-05-17 18:01:42 <latregetic> On the total number of transactions in the block, or random luck?
2622 2011-05-17 18:01:52 <luke-jr> latregetic: on how many people are mining
2623 2011-05-17 18:01:59 <luke-jr> and what their total hash rate is
2624 2011-05-17 18:02:07 <sacarlson> XX01XX: but you want them offline so you need some way of encypting the data on both cards that you pass value from one to the other
2625 2011-05-17 18:02:45 <latregetic> No, I meant, to have a 95% chance to calculate one block, you need to randomly guess 17.9 trillion hashes before you get one that satifies the proof of work requirement
2626 2011-05-17 18:02:50 <TheKid> wait, luke-jr is the divisibility limit in the client or the protocol
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2628 2011-05-17 18:03:08 <luke-jr> TheKid: both
2629 2011-05-17 18:03:46 <XX01XX> sacarlson... by, offline, I mean I would show you that a particular monetary data token in my custody on the network had been digitally signed as electronic currency in a value of $100.
2630 2011-05-17 18:04:11 <latregetic> XX01XX: What stops double spending?
2631 2011-05-17 18:04:27 <latregetic> A single provider signing the token and backing it with BTC?
2632 2011-05-17 18:04:35 <XX01XX> But there would be not indication that the data token had been signed to be $100. It could jsut as easily be a random karma token from a social website
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2634 2011-05-17 18:04:42 <TheKid> luke-jr: where can I learn more?
2635 2011-05-17 18:04:50 <diki> Alright, we are getting somewhere
2636 2011-05-17 18:04:51 <iera> TheKid: read the code :p
2637 2011-05-17 18:04:54 <luke-jr> TheKid: the source code
2638 2011-05-17 18:04:54 <XX01XX> latregetic... same things that stop double spending in bitcoin... the ownership of the data token
2639 2011-05-17 18:04:56 <diki> And what do these file do?
2640 2011-05-17 18:05:23 <sacarlson> XX01XX: we have spoken of such things before using escow you could have an offline entity with some security but not as much as you have online
2641 2011-05-17 18:06:03 <TheKid> luke-jr: for someone who doesn't want to misinterpret code, and is bad at reading it to begin with, where should I look
2642 2011-05-17 18:06:06 <sacarlson> XX01XX: but for smaller purchases people would be willing to take the risk on both sides
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2644 2011-05-17 18:06:15 <luke-jr> TheKid: that is all
2645 2011-05-17 18:06:30 <TheKid> or can you at least point me to the file that contains the check against the protocol?
2646 2011-05-17 18:06:30 <XX01XX> sacarlson... this is not just for "purchases"
2647 2011-05-17 18:06:47 <sacarlson> XX01XX: ownership purchase same thing
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2649 2011-05-17 18:07:02 <sacarlson> XX01XX: used for trade
2650 2011-05-17 18:07:17 <XX01XX> sacarlson... MTDs could be used for anything you wanted.
2651 2011-05-17 18:07:24 <XX01XX> MDTs, rather
2652 2011-05-17 18:07:50 <XX01XX> The point is what you're using them as or for is not known on the network controlling their exchange and custody
2653 2011-05-17 18:07:56 <latregetic> Ownership of a 'token' doesn't give you shit unless you can verify the ownership and verify what the token is
2654 2011-05-17 18:08:00 <sacarlson> XX01XX: someone is already selling offline bitcoins
2655 2011-05-17 18:08:04 <latregetic> without those two things, nobody will trust it
2656 2011-05-17 18:08:25 <sacarlson> XX01XX: bitcards they are called
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2658 2011-05-17 18:08:33 <XX01XX> latregetic... yes... and the people involved in the transaction (and ONLY those people) would have that information.
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2660 2011-05-17 18:09:05 <latregetic> So you're basically selling an address that has a few BTC on it on an SD card?
2661 2011-05-17 18:09:11 <sacarlson> XX01XX: how would you teach people to trust your system and how would they use it?
2662 2011-05-17 18:09:18 <TheKid> latregetic: kind of, but not really
2663 2011-05-17 18:09:31 <XX01XX> No... this has nothing to do with bitcoin... it's a system that uses a similar P2P blockchain for transaction history
2664 2011-05-17 18:09:58 <XX01XX> sacarlson... I'd probably start it out trading the various karma tokesn on social websites.
2665 2011-05-17 18:10:01 <sacarlson> XX01XX: yes like the stock market idea I had with multi chains
2666 2011-05-17 18:10:17 <latregetic> XX01XX: Is this a physical token, like a SD card, or is it a digital token, like a key file/wallet?
2667 2011-05-17 18:10:45 <XX01XX> latragetic... it's data. It's basically a bitcoin, but it's acknowledged to have no value.
2668 2011-05-17 18:10:55 <latregetic> Then why would anyone take them?
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2670 2011-05-17 18:11:04 <zool> hey
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2672 2011-05-17 18:11:16 <quup> Titeuf_87: I keep getting Unable to bind to port 18333 on this computer. when starting the second one. how do I change what port it should listen to?
2673 2011-05-17 18:11:17 <latregetic> Especially since anyone could double spend them over and over again as long as nobody got online to verify them
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2675 2011-05-17 18:11:21 <XX01XX> latregetic... why do people want karma on slashdot, reddit, digg, facebook, flattr, etc?
2676 2011-05-17 18:11:25 <sacarlson> XX01XX: I already have those they are called weeds
2677 2011-05-17 18:11:50 <zool> ok im a newbie.. i prefer asking people to scouring and scouting
2678 2011-05-17 18:11:57 <XX01XX> latregetic... can you spend bitcoins over and over and over?
2679 2011-05-17 18:12:01 <latregetic> Yes, you can apply the proof of work chain concept to trading anything you like, with any gind of derived or fiat value you care to list
2680 2011-05-17 18:12:15 <latregetic> you could in theory trade gamerscore on xbox live the same way
2681 2011-05-17 18:12:21 <zool> how do i install a bitcoin node so i can mine my coins and how do i get em on a wallet thats hosted on the web?
2682 2011-05-17 18:12:26 <latregetic> XX01XX: if you do so offline, yes you can
2683 2011-05-17 18:12:31 <sacarlson> XX01XX: it's just another chain that you can define the value to be anything you or your group wants to be and can distrbute online or with cards
2684 2011-05-17 18:12:37 <jrmithdobbs> zool: really?
2685 2011-05-17 18:12:48 <jrmithdobbs> zool: that's a long question
2686 2011-05-17 18:12:57 <Titeuf_87> quup, do you have bitcoin running already on the testnet from outside that testnet-box?
2687 2011-05-17 18:13:00 <jrmithdobbs> zool: bitcoin.org and wiki.bitcoin.it lay it all out for you.
2688 2011-05-17 18:13:02 <latregetic> zool: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ
2689 2011-05-17 18:13:03 <quup> Titeuf_87: no
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2691 2011-05-17 18:13:34 <quup> Titeuf_87: if I start with -datadir=1 first the second wont start, and same other way around
2692 2011-05-17 18:14:06 <zool> well i want to run a node
2693 2011-05-17 18:14:09 <neoeinstein_> Thoughts on an idea: Right now, checkpoint block hashes are used to increase the difficulty of backtracking on the main block chain.
2694 2011-05-17 18:14:15 <neoeinstein_> Would it be more advantageous to calculate a merkle tree of the block hashes from a checkpoint block up (possibly to the genesis block?), and use the value of that merkle root to determine validity?
2695 2011-05-17 18:14:17 <zool> i guess there should be a program to download right?
2696 2011-05-17 18:14:21 <neoeinstein_> It might be a bit slower when such a checkpoint is encountered, but it would serve in part to verify all the blocks in that chain segment rather than just the checkpoint block.
2697 2011-05-17 18:14:25 <Titeuf_87> quup, you have to start the first one first. Do you get the same message there?
2698 2011-05-17 18:14:37 <sacarlson> quup: I can run multi chains at the same time
2699 2011-05-17 18:14:39 <quup> Titeuf_87: whichever I start second doesn't work
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2702 2011-05-17 18:15:35 <XX01XX> The point is that the survival of any particular currency based on the p2p blockchain doesn't depend ont he popularity of that currency because many different currencies can co-exist ont he same system
2703 2011-05-17 18:15:39 <BlueMatt> FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU MinGW
2704 2011-05-17 18:15:56 <neoeinstein_> BlueMatt: I hear you.
2705 2011-05-17 18:16:00 <XX01XX> And they all just look like transactions of data tokens.
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2707 2011-05-17 18:16:18 <yuzhe> XX01XX: you're forgetting about the fact that btc appear to be sucking blood out of other currencies
2708 2011-05-17 18:16:26 <luke-jr> XX01XX: BTC is not hard-coded into the blockchain already
2709 2011-05-17 18:16:29 <sacarlson> XX01XX: yes we have it already with mutichain clients
2710 2011-05-17 18:16:34 <quup> Titeuf_87: fiddled around with nolisten and that works as workaround I guess
2711 2011-05-17 18:16:39 <latregetic> Probably because it has that amazing gold rush mining thing going for it
2712 2011-05-17 18:16:45 <luke-jr> XX01XX: TBC shares the same block chain as BTC
2713 2011-05-17 18:16:54 <BlueMatt> -mthreads == dep on mingw thread dll, -D_MT -lmingwthrd != random dll dep...and yet according to what I can see from gcc source, they are fucking the same
2714 2011-05-17 18:17:00 <BlueMatt> wtf gcc
2715 2011-05-17 18:17:07 <Titeuf_87> quup, when you launch bitcoin with -datadir=1, it should open port 18333 and listen on it. Launching it with -datadir=2 should then connect to the already running bitcoin instance
2716 2011-05-17 18:17:28 <iera> luke-jr: does eligius still pay out at least by 1btc? can you change it to 0.01?
2717 2011-05-17 18:17:42 <Titeuf_87> quup, the bitcoin.conf file in 2/bitcoin.conf already sets the nolisten option, so I'm not sure why that option doesn't work for you
2718 2011-05-17 18:17:42 <luke-jr> iera: I can, but 1 BTC seems more reasonable for now
2719 2011-05-17 18:17:53 <luke-jr> iera: if the value keeps skyrocketting I might lower it a little
2720 2011-05-17 18:17:57 <iera> luke-jr: hm ok
2721 2011-05-17 18:17:58 <XX01XX> What's a multichain client?
2722 2011-05-17 18:18:06 <XX01XX> As in an example.. not an explaination
2723 2011-05-17 18:18:45 <luke-jr> iera: probably closer to .16 BTC
2724 2011-05-17 18:18:56 <quup> Titeuf_87: oh I probably removed it when first messing around with it :)
2725 2011-05-17 18:19:02 <sacarlson> Titeuf_87: I think in bitcoin even in -testnet it still uses the same port for rpcport control
2726 2011-05-17 18:19:27 <quup> Titeuf_87: but does nolisten also affect rpc?
2727 2011-05-17 18:19:42 <sacarlson> quup: no I don't think so
2728 2011-05-17 18:19:46 <Titeuf_87> sacarlson, it does, but that is also set in the bitcoin.conf file to avoid conflicts
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2730 2011-05-17 18:20:08 <Titeuf_87> quup, it doesn't, you can have -nolisten set and still use rpc commands
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2732 2011-05-17 18:20:34 <sacarlson> Titeuf_87: I can run two or more clients with my version of freecoin that allows changing the rpcport address also
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2735 2011-05-17 18:21:34 <XX01XX> Will the bitcoin blockchain accept token creation if it's NOT bitcoin?
2736 2011-05-17 18:21:39 <quup> Titeuf_87: for some reason it wont connect http://pastebin.com/E61F3evz
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2738 2011-05-17 18:22:25 <quup> maybe I made a type
2739 2011-05-17 18:22:27 <sacarlson> XX01XX: I guess you will need another client to make tokens for a different blockchain at this time
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2741 2011-05-17 18:23:39 <XX01XX> But if I made a client that would make a little ??>>User txn pretty much creating a token the bitcoin network would accept and track it provided it wasn't trying to create a bitcoin from ntohing?
2742 2011-05-17 18:23:44 <luke-jr> XX01XX: tokens don't need to be BTC
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2744 2011-05-17 18:25:13 <iera> luke-jr: 0.16 is also ok
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2748 2011-05-17 18:25:34 <Titeuf_87> quup, rpcconnect is only used when you have bitcoind already running, so that isn't needed there I think.
2749 2011-05-17 18:25:37 <sacarlson> quup: I think you still need something to connect to not just yourself
2750 2011-05-17 18:25:55 <quup> Titeuf_87: yea, but I want to connect with poclbm so I can start testing quicker
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2752 2011-05-17 18:26:08 <XX01XX> But if I create non-BTC tokens does the blockchain accept them or are the rejected as unverifiable?
2753 2011-05-17 18:26:11 <sacarlson> quup: maybe run a virtualbox with another client running to connect to
2754 2011-05-17 18:26:29 <luke-jr> XX01XX: it verifies them
2755 2011-05-17 18:26:45 <XX01XX> interesting.
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2757 2011-05-17 18:26:55 <quup> sacarlson: I have two client running now, one listens for connections, the other connects to that one. I'm trying to connect to the second one with rpc
2758 2011-05-17 18:27:23 <Titeuf_87> quup, not sure if it's related, but you don't have -datadir=2 there
2759 2011-05-17 18:27:49 <sacarlson> quup: also connect=127.0.0.1:18333 I didn't know you could add the port on that line
2760 2011-05-17 18:28:08 <sacarlson> quup: and it's pointless to connect to yourself anyway
2761 2011-05-17 18:28:08 <quup> Titeuf_87: yea tried with -datadir=2 and -testnet
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2763 2011-05-17 18:28:16 <quup> sacarlson: it's for testing
2764 2011-05-17 18:28:18 <XX01XX> How much non-BTC activity is there in the blockchain? And how pissed would the bitcoin community be if suddenly the bulk of the txns were not bitcoin related?
2765 2011-05-17 18:28:37 <sacarlson> quup: even for testing you need to connect to something else
2766 2011-05-17 18:28:57 <lfm> XX01XX: the bitcoin net is still just btc afaik
2767 2011-05-17 18:29:05 <quup> sacarlson: testnet was too slow, so running testnet-box to be able to get stuff done. the first one listens, second one has nolisten=1 http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/testnet-in-a-box/
2768 2011-05-17 18:29:30 <lfm> XX01XX: if you wanna spam with other crap they might take action to stop you
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2770 2011-05-17 18:30:25 <sacarlson> quup: ok I'm not privy to this version or box, I just setup testnets with another system in a virtualbox or on my lan to connect to
2771 2011-05-17 18:30:37 <quup> sacarlson: ok
2772 2011-05-17 18:30:43 <knodi> anyone know why the hashespersec stays at 0 even when generating is true?
2773 2011-05-17 18:30:54 <quup> I'll just do testing with normal BTC this seems a bit too buggy
2774 2011-05-17 18:30:57 <XX01XX> knodi... have yo downloaded the complete blockchain yet?
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2776 2011-05-17 18:31:07 <lfm> knodi: you cant generate till you have all the blocks
2777 2011-05-17 18:31:09 <XX01XX> ;;bc,blocks
2778 2011-05-17 18:31:10 <gribble> 124662
2779 2011-05-17 18:31:27 <knodi> O i see its at 111651 right
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2781 2011-05-17 18:31:32 <knodi> so im close to it
2782 2011-05-17 18:31:32 <knodi> thx
2783 2011-05-17 18:31:32 <Titeuf_87> quup, I'm not exactly sure what else could be wrong. You could check the debug logs made in those directory to see if it gives you a clue hopefully
2784 2011-05-17 18:31:37 <sacarlson> knodi: I can't get my -gen to hash until I connect to at least one other node
2785 2011-05-17 18:31:41 <lfm> knodi: it might take an hour or more
2786 2011-05-17 18:31:52 <knodi> ok thx a lot
2787 2011-05-17 18:32:00 <luke-jr> XX01XX: the block chain is bitcoin
2788 2011-05-17 18:32:14 <knodi> can i copy my block chain to another computer so I don't have to redownload it?
2789 2011-05-17 18:32:22 <sacarlson> XX01XX: it could be a block chain of weeds
2790 2011-05-17 18:32:33 <luke-jr> XX01XX: bitcoin is more than BTC
2791 2011-05-17 18:32:39 <lfm> knodi: I think that will work well ya
2792 2011-05-17 18:32:43 <Gozalie> 5770 is good with catalyst 10.10 + sdk 2.4 ?
2793 2011-05-17 18:32:44 <knodi> thx
2794 2011-05-17 18:32:58 <lfm> knodi: do not copy wallet.dat tho
2795 2011-05-17 18:33:22 <quup> Titeuf_87: figured it out, it wont accept -rpcconnect localhost, must be -rpcconnect=localhost :)
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2797 2011-05-17 18:33:36 <quup> Titeuf_87: thanks for pointing me to testnet-box, will improve my productivity greatly now
2798 2011-05-17 18:33:44 <knodi> ok thx
2799 2011-05-17 18:33:46 <Titeuf_87> quup, you're welcome, and good luck!
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2802 2011-05-17 18:34:59 <jrmithdobbs> quup: ya the commandline processing of bitcoin proper needs to be ripped out and replaced with getopt.
2803 2011-05-17 18:35:07 <jrmithdobbs> it's annoying
2804 2011-05-17 18:35:44 <jrmithdobbs> quup: think the problem is win32 doesn't have getopt
2805 2011-05-17 18:36:08 <quup> jrmithdobbs: yea
2806 2011-05-17 18:36:09 <lfm> jrmithdobbs: you can get a getopt for mswin too if you try
2807 2011-05-17 18:36:20 <sacarlson> jrmithdobbs: you only really need one command line option to point to -datadir=/your/path/ and put the rest in the bitcoin.conf there
2808 2011-05-17 18:36:51 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: ya was just looking at that
2809 2011-05-17 18:37:18 <jrmithdobbs> sacarlson: sure but inconsistant commandline option formatting is annoying and worth fixing imho
2810 2011-05-17 18:37:19 <sacarlson> jrmithdobbs: oh win32 I haven't played much with that yet but don't the config files still work?
2811 2011-05-17 18:37:35 <jrmithdobbs> sacarlson: sure
2812 2011-05-17 18:37:59 <jrmithdobbs> using a single '-' for longopts is just nonstandard and confusing
2813 2011-05-17 18:38:27 <lfm> sacarlson: ya config files should be the same, getopt doesnt really handle config files. command line options are still handny lots of the time
2814 2011-05-17 18:39:11 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: ya looks like http://www.pwilson.net/sample.html has a public domain getopt implementation that could be bundled for the win32 case
2815 2011-05-17 18:39:18 <jrmithdobbs> well non-mingw win32
2816 2011-05-17 18:39:27 <jrmithdobbs> err non-cygwin i guess
2817 2011-05-17 18:39:39 <lfm> cygwin prolly has its own
2818 2011-05-17 18:39:43 <jrmithdobbs> right
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2820 2011-05-17 18:39:58 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: cygwin uses glbc's
2821 2011-05-17 18:40:09 <Optimo> ;;bc,gen 104000
2822 2011-05-17 18:40:09 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 104000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 0.664477370357 BTC per day and 0.0276865570982 BTC per hour.
2823 2011-05-17 18:40:18 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6667.msg125843#msg125843
2824 2011-05-17 18:40:57 <Optimo> deepbit ppl doing payper share or proportional?
2825 2011-05-17 18:41:29 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: shouldn't you link just /raw publically without the ~luke-jr ?
2826 2011-05-17 18:41:36 <diki> prop now
2827 2011-05-17 18:41:41 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: maybe ;)
2828 2011-05-17 18:41:48 <diki> shares are worthless now
2829 2011-05-17 18:41:50 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: heh
2830 2011-05-17 18:41:53 <Optimo> proportional seems to make more sense
2831 2011-05-17 18:41:57 <Optimo> yeah
2832 2011-05-17 18:42:12 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: the idea is to have a bazaar of interfaces
2833 2011-05-17 18:42:32 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: ya i've already got a short ruby script that pulls the stuff i care about. noticed the url change earlier ;P
2834 2011-05-17 18:42:37 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: so jarly can move coin control to http://eligius.st/~jarly/ etc
2835 2011-05-17 18:42:50 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i see
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2837 2011-05-17 18:43:19 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: want access for your Ruby?
2838 2011-05-17 18:43:27 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: so is /raw going to disappear?
2839 2011-05-17 18:43:30 <luke-jr> might need to help me set up the webserver for Ruby stuff
2840 2011-05-17 18:43:33 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: undecided
2841 2011-05-17 18:43:39 <luke-jr> raw might be special enough for top-level
2842 2011-05-17 18:43:49 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: oh no it doesn't need to be run server side it just parses the json
2843 2011-05-17 18:44:08 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I'd almost prefer it be server-side ;)
2844 2011-05-17 18:44:30 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: give it your btc address and it spits out current hash/s in Ghash, last block payout, and current balance ;P
2845 2011-05-17 18:44:48 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: was waiting on you to stabalize urls so you could pass us/eu as a param, heh
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2847 2011-05-17 18:46:04 <Gozalie> guy i have set my gpu clock to 900mhz but when running the miner it only stay at 505mhz, what could be the problem ?
2848 2011-05-17 18:46:07 <Incitatus> necrodearia: confirm?
2849 2011-05-17 18:46:25 * necrodearia confirms with Incitatus
2850 2011-05-17 18:46:54 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: can you put the hashrate in json back up there? i like being able to see the time period/etc
2851 2011-05-17 18:47:03 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: hashrate.php i mean
2852 2011-05-17 18:47:08 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: or whatever you want to rename it to
2853 2011-05-17 18:47:31 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: it's under my personal dir
2854 2011-05-17 18:47:34 <jrmithdobbs> ah
2855 2011-05-17 18:47:43 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: no it's not
2856 2011-05-17 18:47:49 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: http://eligius.st/~luke-jr/raw/us/
2857 2011-05-17 18:48:18 <luke-jr> not raw
2858 2011-05-17 18:48:31 <Gozalie> guy i have set my gpu clock to 900mhz but when running the miner it only stay at 505mhz, what could be the problem ?
2859 2011-05-17 18:48:31 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i want it split out by region since they're doing payouts seperately the combined hashrate isn't a useful number to me
2860 2011-05-17 18:48:35 <Gozalie> anyone know the problem ?
2861 2011-05-17 18:48:40 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: make since?
2862 2011-05-17 18:48:41 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: n/a atm
2863 2011-05-17 18:48:42 <jrmithdobbs> sense
2864 2011-05-17 18:48:49 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: will add a ?server=us/eu soon
2865 2011-05-17 18:49:04 <Gozalie> it never goes above 500mhz
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2867 2011-05-17 18:49:10 <Gozalie> how come ?
2868 2011-05-17 18:49:17 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: k, i'll modify my stuff to use hashrate.txt then for now
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2870 2011-05-17 18:50:14 * BlueMatt is literally ready to murder half the gcc/mingw devs
2871 2011-05-17 18:50:16 <psymin> to compile the bitcoin source, I'm using wxGTK-2.9.1.1 .. which version of boost do I need?
2872 2011-05-17 18:50:25 <BlueMatt> psymin: what platform?
2873 2011-05-17 18:50:33 <psymin> gentoo linux x86_64
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2875 2011-05-17 18:50:48 <BlueMatt> any fairly recent boost should work, I use 1.42
2876 2011-05-17 18:51:16 <psymin> hmmm .. I'll dig deeper then .. I have 1.42 .. "/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_system
2877 2011-05-17 18:51:16 <psymin> "
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2879 2011-05-17 18:51:51 <BlueMatt> bitcoin is probably looking in the wrong place, open up the makefile and point it to the right place
2880 2011-05-17 18:52:02 <BlueMatt> (find / | grep boost_system might help)
2881 2011-05-17 18:52:56 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
2882 2011-05-17 18:52:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 37265999.5716 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 5 hours, 2 minutes, and 23 seconds
2883 2011-05-17 18:54:02 <diki> 37265999/100000000
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2887 2011-05-17 18:57:15 <psymin> headers are looking in the right spot .. hmm
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2889 2011-05-17 18:58:59 <psymin> the reason I'm attempting to compile, is because the binary is looking for libpng12.so.0 .. and I've got 1.4.5
2890 2011-05-17 18:59:27 <BlueMatt> ah yes, that has been fixed, but not in any released version
2891 2011-05-17 18:59:42 <BlueMatt> (removed libpng dep entirely)
2892 2011-05-17 18:59:58 <psymin> nifty .. emerging the older libpng in a slot now :(
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2894 2011-05-17 19:04:04 <XX01XX> There any miner programs that pay out in something other than bitcoin?
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2896 2011-05-17 19:04:14 <jrmithdobbs> no why would there be
2897 2011-05-17 19:04:27 <XX01XX> to account fornon-bitcoin tokens in the network
2898 2011-05-17 19:05:11 <BlueMatt> ther was a pool for that but it took like 50%
2899 2011-05-17 19:05:25 <Blitzboom> what happened to the bitcoin forum?
2900 2011-05-17 19:05:41 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: nothing?
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2902 2011-05-17 19:05:59 <Blitzboom> itâs broken for me
2903 2011-05-17 19:06:06 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: btw, i understand if you're not going to but do you have any plans on releasing your magic generate->sendmany stuff? I'm really curious on how it works because that's just cool.
2904 2011-05-17 19:06:13 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: not payout logic/etc just that little piece
2905 2011-05-17 19:07:15 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I already released that.
2906 2011-05-17 19:07:34 <BlueMatt> oo idea: (TD) we can split the Development Discussion and Technical Discussion...development is exclusively for stuff about the client and network, technical is all the other crap
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2908 2011-05-17 19:07:43 <BlueMatt> oh hes not one...
2909 2011-05-17 19:07:46 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: which of your gitorious repos is it in? the bitcoind one? (I assume that's where you have to do it)
2910 2011-05-17 19:07:47 <BlueMatt> s/one/on/
2911 2011-05-17 19:08:12 <BlueMatt> who's forum admin?
2912 2011-05-17 19:08:12 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: yes
2913 2011-05-17 19:08:21 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: well nm then i just didn't look hard enough, haha
2914 2011-05-17 19:08:29 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: it's coinbaser
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2916 2011-05-17 19:09:50 <XX01XX> /j #bitcoin-tech
2917 2011-05-17 19:10:08 <Nesetalis> huh.. https://www.bitcoin.org has vanished? :o cant establish a connection... though can through http
2918 2011-05-17 19:10:30 bitcointrader has joined
2919 2011-05-17 19:10:30 <XX01XX> I think there's been a spike of interest over the past few days and they can't handle the traffic
2920 2011-05-17 19:10:37 <BlueMatt> ah, maybe hes installing a new cert
2921 2011-05-17 19:10:37 <jrmithdobbs> Nesetalis: was moved to freshmeat's free project hosting do to /. / reddit and such
2922 2011-05-17 19:10:38 <bitcointrader> hi
2923 2011-05-17 19:10:51 <jrmithdobbs> i thought?
2924 2011-05-17 19:10:51 <bitcointrader> i have 0/unconfirmed receving
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2926 2011-05-17 19:10:58 <BlueMatt> XX01XX: no the site isnt succumbing to load atim, probably upgrades
2927 2011-05-17 19:11:01 <bitcointrader> for last 3 hours
2928 2011-05-17 19:11:16 <XX01XX> bitcointrader... it takes a while sometimes.
2929 2011-05-17 19:11:22 <jrmithdobbs> bitcointrader: low priority txn
2930 2011-05-17 19:11:33 <bitcointrader> actually
2931 2011-05-17 19:11:35 <BlueMatt> XX01XX: I think sirius is moving bitcoin.org homepage to sf hosting and smf to something like forum.bitcoin.org
2932 2011-05-17 19:11:42 <bitcointrader> i did withdrawal frm mtgox
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2934 2011-05-17 19:11:48 <Nesetalis> some one was skimping on the tip :p
2935 2011-05-17 19:11:48 <BlueMatt> bitcointrader: how much btc out, how new are the ins, and was a fee paid?
2936 2011-05-17 19:11:52 <jrmithdobbs> Nesetalis: sf hosting doesn't do ssl on anything so it's just going to go away
2937 2011-05-17 19:12:12 <bitcointrader> i received
2938 2011-05-17 19:12:12 <Nesetalis> er, what jrmithdobbs?
2939 2011-05-17 19:12:20 <bitcointrader> so dont know if fees was paid
2940 2011-05-17 19:12:27 <jrmithdobbs> Nesetalis: https:// on www is going to disappear from what i understand
2941 2011-05-17 19:12:36 <BlueMatt> bitcointrader: look for the tx on bitcoincharts.com
2942 2011-05-17 19:12:44 <Nesetalis> have a link, jrmithdobbs?
2943 2011-05-17 19:12:52 <wumpus> https going to disappear?
2944 2011-05-17 19:12:53 <wumpus> that's fucked
2945 2011-05-17 19:12:59 <jrmithdobbs> Nesetalis: no it was discussed in here yesterday
2946 2011-05-17 19:13:02 <Nesetalis> http should vanish, not https :|
2947 2011-05-17 19:13:03 <BlueMatt> not for forum
2948 2011-05-17 19:13:06 <wumpus> it's already very vulnerable
2949 2011-05-17 19:13:07 <wumpus> indeed Nesetalis
2950 2011-05-17 19:13:10 <jrmithdobbs> not for the forum
2951 2011-05-17 19:13:11 <BlueMatt> only main site
2952 2011-05-17 19:13:14 <jrmithdobbs> just www. landing page
2953 2011-05-17 19:13:21 <BlueMatt> its dl over sf anyway so it doesnt make a difference
2954 2011-05-17 19:13:22 <Nesetalis> i'm using the forum :p
2955 2011-05-17 19:13:30 <BlueMatt> (plus there is better stuff coming in 0.4.0 so...)
2956 2011-05-17 19:13:31 <Nesetalis> sf?
2957 2011-05-17 19:13:37 <wumpus> but the forum is on www.
2958 2011-05-17 19:13:37 <BlueMatt> sourceforge
2959 2011-05-17 19:13:44 <BlueMatt> (for now)
2960 2011-05-17 19:13:44 <jrmithdobbs> it's going to move
2961 2011-05-17 19:13:50 <Nesetalis> mmkay
2962 2011-05-17 19:13:58 roconnor has joined
2963 2011-05-17 19:14:02 <jrmithdobbs> he'll have it sorted some time today i'm sure ;P
2964 2011-05-17 19:14:09 <wumpus> but it's pretty stupid to drop https now that the whole internet is transitioning to it
2965 2011-05-17 19:14:15 <bitcointrader> There are 263 unconfirmed transactions (174370 bytes): There are 258 low priority transactions
2966 2011-05-17 19:14:34 <bitcointrader> might b in tht?
2967 2011-05-17 19:14:38 <roconnor> what's a low priority transaction?
2968 2011-05-17 19:14:51 <jrmithdobbs> bitcointrader: yes search for your txn id or send to address on that page.
2969 2011-05-17 19:14:53 ahbritto has joined
2970 2011-05-17 19:15:01 <bitcointrader> yeah
2971 2011-05-17 19:15:07 <bitcointrader> i found my address in tht
2972 2011-05-17 19:15:17 <jrmithdobbs> bitcointrader: should be pretty apparent why it's taking a while
2973 2011-05-17 19:15:21 <BlueMatt> bitcointrader: and is it low prio?
2974 2011-05-17 19:15:31 <wumpus> huh the certificate for the forum changed
2975 2011-05-17 19:15:47 <bitcointrader> yes
2976 2011-05-17 19:15:50 <bitcointrader> low priority
2977 2011-05-17 19:15:52 <topi`> what's the definition for a low prio tx?
2978 2011-05-17 19:15:56 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: forum layout broken, images too, canât login: "You should fill in a username."
2979 2011-05-17 19:16:01 <Blitzboom> it doesnât work on any browser
2980 2011-05-17 19:16:05 <Blitzboom> but it works on my android
2981 2011-05-17 19:16:09 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: WFM
2982 2011-05-17 19:16:16 <Blitzboom> so i guess it has something to do with my connection
2983 2011-05-17 19:16:22 <XX01XX> roconnor... you know how the system works with the blockchain and transaction history?
2984 2011-05-17 19:16:26 <Blitzboom> WFM?
2985 2011-05-17 19:16:29 <roconnor> yes
2986 2011-05-17 19:16:35 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: works for mw
2987 2011-05-17 19:16:36 <BlueMatt> e
2988 2011-05-17 19:16:40 <BlueMatt> topi`: it depends on age of txins, txout total, and fee
2989 2011-05-17 19:16:46 <wumpus> if you go to http://forum.bitcoin.org/smf/ and click a link you go back to http :s
2990 2011-05-17 19:16:47 <Blitzboom> i know one other person with this problem
2991 2011-05-17 19:16:50 <Blitzboom> located in the UK
2992 2011-05-17 19:16:58 <wumpus> I mean https://forum.bitcoin.org/smf/
2993 2011-05-17 19:17:15 <XX01XX> roconnor... folks that are generating new blocks gather up a bunch of the outstanding transactions... on the basis of priority. Low priority transactions may not be included and will take longer to be confirmed.
2994 2011-05-17 19:17:27 <jrmithdobbs> Blitzboom: dns issue i'm sure be patient it'll get sorted
2995 2011-05-17 19:17:39 <Blitzboom> thanks
2996 2011-05-17 19:17:39 <BlueMatt> wumpus: woo, he set up the dns
2997 2011-05-17 19:17:50 <roconnor> why wouldn't you include a transaction?
2998 2011-05-17 19:18:02 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: more processing required for no payout
2999 2011-05-17 19:18:23 <jrmithdobbs> capitalism at it's best.
3000 2011-05-17 19:18:37 <roconnor> the amount of extra processing is close to trivial, but let me rephrase
3001 2011-05-17 19:18:49 <wumpus> doesn't seem to be a dns issue -- the links are simply wrong
3002 2011-05-17 19:18:53 <XX01XX> roconnor... because you only pick up a fixed size of transactions before you start trying to hash a new block.
3003 2011-05-17 19:18:54 <roconnor> why wouldn't you include a transaction now that you would accept if it were older?
3004 2011-05-17 19:19:00 jnd has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
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3006 2011-05-17 19:19:08 <BlueMatt> wumpus: no, Im saying he set up the new dns, ie added forum.
3007 2011-05-17 19:19:12 <roconnor> hmm
3008 2011-05-17 19:19:14 <BlueMatt> its still a WIP
3009 2011-05-17 19:19:15 <jrmithdobbs> yes but if everyone always includes low prio txn it kills the incentive to add fees to prio processing
3010 2011-05-17 19:19:21 <XX01XX> roxonnor... because you already have enough higher-priorty txns to hash
3011 2011-05-17 19:19:24 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: make sense?
3012 2011-05-17 19:19:29 <wumpus> ok..
3013 2011-05-17 19:19:34 <XX01XX> When the txn is older it will have higher priority
3014 2011-05-17 19:19:38 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: people dont, there is a strict limit (by default) of space reserved for low prio
3015 2011-05-17 19:19:42 <roconnor> jrmithdobbs: not entirely
3016 2011-05-17 19:19:53 <BlueMatt> hence currently low prios almost never make it into a block until they reach normal prio
3017 2011-05-17 19:19:58 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: right i know, trying to simplify
3018 2011-05-17 19:20:15 peck has joined
3019 2011-05-17 19:20:17 * BlueMatt is waiting for this js-x86-vm to have network support :)
3020 2011-05-17 19:20:36 <roconnor> age of a transaction seems like it ought to mostly irrelvenet for making the decision to include it or not.
3021 2011-05-17 19:20:47 <BlueMatt> no, the whole point is spam
3022 2011-05-17 19:20:48 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: the idea is to discourage txns that would get marked as low prio in the first place as a means of sustaining the system long term
3023 2011-05-17 19:20:53 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: and to prevent spam
3024 2011-05-17 19:20:54 <BlueMatt> if your txes are new, its spam
3025 2011-05-17 19:20:55 <jrmithdobbs> heh
3026 2011-05-17 19:21:05 <BlueMatt> or more likely to be
3027 2011-05-17 19:21:08 <roconnor> how does it become not spam with age?
3028 2011-05-17 19:21:20 <BlueMatt> well its not spam if you can only send it once/day
3029 2011-05-17 19:21:29 <BlueMatt> or at least we dont care anymore
3030 2011-05-17 19:21:31 <XX01XX> roconnor... at this point, yes. if the system catches on to where the number of txns routinely exceeds ore size, it will be more important.
3031 2011-05-17 19:21:36 <jrmithdobbs> it becomes more acceptable spam if you get delayed forever because of it
3032 2011-05-17 19:21:38 <roconnor> someone is queuing these transactions?
3033 2011-05-17 19:21:59 scottlad has joined
3034 2011-05-17 19:21:59 <jrmithdobbs> the network as a whole queues them
3035 2011-05-17 19:22:19 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: and bitcoind can be easily modified to never process fee-less txns or low prio ones
3036 2011-05-17 19:22:21 <roconnor> I don't understand this anti-spam measure
3037 2011-05-17 19:22:29 <BlueMatt> roconnor: had you not seen the lines of 0.01->0.01->0.01->0.01->0.01->0.01->0.01->0.01 txes before 0.3.21
3038 2011-05-17 19:22:50 <roconnor> oh I believe it
3039 2011-05-17 19:22:59 <roconnor> but I don't see how delaying processing them will help
3040 2011-05-17 19:23:00 <XX01XX> roconnor... it's a novelty, people send BTC to each other just because they can.
3041 2011-05-17 19:23:04 <jrmithdobbs> it discourages people from doing stupid shit like that
3042 2011-05-17 19:23:25 <jrmithdobbs> because their funds will be tied up indefinitely
3043 2011-05-17 19:23:26 <BlueMatt> because it simply leaves space for real txes and keeps spam from wasteing bw and hdd space
3044 2011-05-17 19:23:29 scottlad is now known as scotty15y
3045 2011-05-17 19:23:51 <roconnor> but how does the transaction aging make it less spamy
3046 2011-05-17 19:24:01 <scotty15y> anyone buying or selling?
3047 2011-05-17 19:24:04 <roconnor> shouldn't low priority txs simply be dropped from the network?
3048 2011-05-17 19:24:05 <BlueMatt> it doesnt, it just keeps spam from effecting people as much
3049 2011-05-17 19:24:08 <jrmithdobbs> scotty15y: wrong channel
3050 2011-05-17 19:24:09 <BlueMatt> scotty15y: #bitcoin-otc
3051 2011-05-17 19:24:14 <roconnor> hmm
3052 2011-05-17 19:24:15 <spitteler> scott try #bitcoin-otc
3053 2011-05-17 19:24:20 <scotty15y> ok
3054 2011-05-17 19:24:21 <XX01XX> roconnor... they should be recorded as time permits.
3055 2011-05-17 19:24:24 <scotty15y> can someone
3056 2011-05-17 19:24:27 <scotty15y> buematt
3057 2011-05-17 19:24:32 <scotty15y> u a op in their
3058 2011-05-17 19:24:33 <roconnor> I guess I'm slowy starting to understand
3059 2011-05-17 19:24:47 <BlueMatt> roconnor: no, because many of them arent actually spam, like bitcointrader's tx
3060 2011-05-17 19:24:55 <BlueMatt> scotty15y: no, sorry just /join #bitcoin-otc
3061 2011-05-17 19:25:00 <scotty15y> wont let me
3062 2011-05-17 19:25:02 <scotty15y> says i am banned
3063 2011-05-17 19:25:07 <BlueMatt> lol, nanotube?
3064 2011-05-17 19:25:12 <scotty15y> idk
3065 2011-05-17 19:25:13 <scotty15y> probs
3066 2011-05-17 19:25:16 <scotty15y> i dont like him
3067 2011-05-17 19:25:27 <scotty15y> oh nanotube
3068 2011-05-17 19:25:31 <scotty15y> thought u said nando
3069 2011-05-17 19:25:44 <BlueMatt> Keefe: MagicalTux sgornick UukGoblin ?
3070 2011-05-17 19:25:55 <mtrlt> ah, this is the scammah
3071 2011-05-17 19:25:56 <XX01XX> what kind of server doesn't let non ops look at the banlist?
3072 2011-05-17 19:26:09 <dbitcoin> bitcoin.org forum redirected to IP?
3073 2011-05-17 19:26:11 <BlueMatt> XX01XX: most of them?
3074 2011-05-17 19:26:20 <luke-jr> XX01XX: works for me
3075 2011-05-17 19:26:21 <XX01XX> BlueMatt... LOOK at it?
3076 2011-05-17 19:26:23 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: none of them?
3077 2011-05-17 19:26:28 <BlueMatt> dbitcoin: its changing location
3078 2011-05-17 19:26:29 johnlockwood has quit (Quit: johnlockwood)
3079 2011-05-17 19:26:34 <ne0futur> http://www.zonecheck.fr/cgi-bin/zc-limited.cgi?zone=bitcoin.org
3080 2011-05-17 19:26:35 <dbitcoin> ah, ok
3081 2011-05-17 19:26:36 fimp has joined
3082 2011-05-17 19:26:45 <ne0futur> dirty dns for bitcoin.org
3083 2011-05-17 19:26:53 <BlueMatt> or...actually no, its just stuff is getting moved
3084 2011-05-17 19:27:10 <BlueMatt> /smf is getting moved to forum. and bitcoin homepage is going to sf hosting
3085 2011-05-17 19:27:11 <scotty15y> anyone need hosting
3086 2011-05-17 19:27:13 <XX01XX> I think I see why scotty15y was banned
3087 2011-05-17 19:27:16 <ne0futur> ( I can provide 3 dns servers in 3 different datacenters if needed )
3088 2011-05-17 19:27:22 <BlueMatt> oh, its this douche
3089 2011-05-17 19:27:29 <BlueMatt> gtfo
3090 2011-05-17 19:27:40 bitcoiner has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830])
3091 2011-05-17 19:27:41 <brocktice> Is there something wonky going on with the forums all of a sudden?
3092 2011-05-17 19:27:42 <ne0futur> ( http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1687.0 )
3093 2011-05-17 19:27:43 <BlueMatt> ne0futur: no, I think sirius got it fine
3094 2011-05-17 19:27:53 <BlueMatt> brocktice: maintenance
3095 2011-05-17 19:27:57 <ne0futur> the errors on http://www.zonecheck.fr/cgi-bin/zc-limited.cgi?zone=bitcoin.org are clear
3096 2011-05-17 19:28:06 <luke-jr> scotty15y: shoo
3097 2011-05-17 19:28:09 <brocktice> BlueMatt: ah ok, thanks
3098 2011-05-17 19:28:11 scotty15y has left ()
3099 2011-05-17 19:28:13 <ne0futur> compared to a clean dns service : http://www.zonecheck.fr/cgi-bin/zc-limited.cgi?zone=ww7.be
3100 2011-05-17 19:28:18 <luke-jr> hey cool, he listened
3101 2011-05-17 19:28:23 <mtrlt> :)
3102 2011-05-17 19:28:48 <luke-jr> (if you do need hosting though, go with me ;)
3103 2011-05-17 19:28:48 <BlueMatt> ne0futur: those are hardly warnings
3104 2011-05-17 19:29:03 <BlueMatt> ne0futur: they dont effect anything really
3105 2011-05-17 19:29:36 <ne0futur> is you say so :p
3106 2011-05-17 19:29:43 <BlueMatt> yes, yes I do...
3107 2011-05-17 19:29:52 <BlueMatt> dns resolvers tend to be very forgiving
3108 2011-05-17 19:30:04 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: there's a failure too
3109 2011-05-17 19:30:06 <BlueMatt> typically even more forgiving than dns servers are when it comes to loading zones
3110 2011-05-17 19:30:11 <psymin> I haven't used bitcoin in a while .. I remember needing to open some ports so that I could download a list of trusted ppl to auth with? .. I'm trying to run the 32 bit linux binary and I currently have 'no connections'
3111 2011-05-17 19:30:16 <BlueMatt> that failure isnt a failure, its a warning
3112 2011-05-17 19:30:34 <luke-jr> it's a failure.
3113 2011-05-17 19:30:44 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: its marked as one
3114 2011-05-17 19:31:01 <BlueMatt> psymin: the whole connection thing is a real pita atm...though opening port 8333, or turning on upnp to do it for you, will help
3115 2011-05-17 19:31:24 <psymin> gotcha, I'll do that at home then :)
3116 2011-05-17 19:31:28 <jrmithdobbs> ne0futur: that check is retarded.
3117 2011-05-17 19:31:41 <jrmithdobbs> ne0futur: none of those are issues and if you think they are you don't understand dns.
3118 2011-05-17 19:32:13 vorlov has joined
3119 2011-05-17 19:32:21 <BlueMatt> pretty much
3120 2011-05-17 19:33:13 ar4s has quit (Quit: ar4s)
3121 2011-05-17 19:33:42 <jrmithdobbs> ne0futur: and if you want to dickwave i'll give you the dns test that checks ipv6 and dnssec with a zone i control and compare it to yours and show you all YOUR errors ;P
3122 2011-05-17 19:33:50 <Optimo> I've been staring at a 0/unconfirmed line for a while now..
3123 2011-05-17 19:33:54 <ne0futur> jrmithdobbs: i m hosting the dns servers for more than 400 domain neames ;)
3124 2011-05-17 19:34:13 <BlueMatt> Optimo: low prio tx?
3125 2011-05-17 19:34:20 <jrmithdobbs> ne0futur: amazing.
3126 2011-05-17 19:34:37 <ne0futur> Optimo: i also have an unconfirmed/0 for more than one hour
3127 2011-05-17 19:34:41 <jrmithdobbs> ne0futur: you're bad at internet e-peen contests. try again when you break 15k
3128 2011-05-17 19:34:56 <lulzplzkthx> What happened to QBitcoin?
3129 2011-05-17 19:35:01 <Optimo> it's' just interesting, but really nothing you could infer from it
3130 2011-05-17 19:35:19 <BlueMatt> meh, as I said, dns resolvers are so forgiving following rfc's closely doesnt really matter anymore, as long as its remotely sane, it will work
3131 2011-05-17 19:35:23 <BlueMatt> (not that that is ok)
3132 2011-05-17 19:35:32 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: MT is busy
3133 2011-05-17 19:35:39 trekdanne has joined
3134 2011-05-17 19:35:42 <lulzplzkthx> MT is the leader of that project, luke-jr ?
3135 2011-05-17 19:35:48 <luke-jr> sole developer
3136 2011-05-17 19:35:49 <ne0futur> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/Themes/custom1/style.css?fin11
3137 2011-05-17 19:35:53 <lulzplzkthx> kk
3138 2011-05-17 19:35:55 <ne0futur> forum cant load the css
3139 2011-05-17 19:35:58 <luke-jr> mainly cuz it isn't open
3140 2011-05-17 19:36:03 <ne0futur> (404)
3141 2011-05-17 19:36:25 <ne0futur> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/Themes/custom1/style.css?fin11" />
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3143 2011-05-17 19:36:48 <XX01XX> How well will the system scale to thousands or millions of transactions an hour?
3144 2011-05-17 19:37:25 <Nesetalis> the forum just herped the derp
3145 2011-05-17 19:38:13 <Nesetalis> very well, from what i can tell, XX01XX
3146 2011-05-17 19:38:35 <jrmithdobbs> XX01XX: right now, it wont too well due to artificial blocksize limit
3147 2011-05-17 19:38:51 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,wiki Scalability
3148 2011-05-17 19:38:52 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability | Mar 5, 2011 ... [edit] Scalability targets. VISA handles on average around 2000 transactions/sec , so call it a daily peak rate of 4000/sec. ...
3149 2011-05-17 19:38:57 <jrmithdobbs> the math works out to maxxing at 8 txn/s atm iirc
3150 2011-05-17 19:39:51 <lulzplzkthx> Does anyone know where I can download Ufasoft's miner? The download link on ufasoft.com goes from 70 kB/s to 1000 B/s within a second or two...
3151 2011-05-17 19:40:01 <lulzplzkthx> So even though it's only 723 kB, it's going to take a long time to d/l.
3152 2011-05-17 19:40:11 <BlueMatt> use jgarzik's cpuminer
3153 2011-05-17 19:40:15 <BlueMatt> it now has the same algo
3154 2011-05-17 19:40:19 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: Thanks.
3155 2011-05-17 19:40:47 <Nesetalis> 1000B/s is fast enough... infact, i would have envied that when i was younger :P -cuddles his fiberoptic internet line-
3156 2011-05-17 19:41:01 <BlueMatt> you has fiber...gimme
3157 2011-05-17 19:41:10 <lulzplzkthx> lol
3158 2011-05-17 19:41:20 * lulzplzkthx can't stand his 768 Kbps
3159 2011-05-17 19:41:36 <BlueMatt> ouch, well I suppose I cant really complain with 10mbps adsl
3160 2011-05-17 19:41:47 johnlockwood has joined
3161 2011-05-17 19:41:53 <lulzplzkthx> Or, technically, 1.5 Mbps, but my downloads are around 110-130 KB/s. I used to get 180 KB/s on 768, they upgraded us to 1.5M and now I get 110-130, wtf?
3162 2011-05-17 19:42:02 <Nesetalis> weve got symetrical 35mbps
3163 2011-05-17 19:42:11 <BlueMatt> we?
3164 2011-05-17 19:42:14 <Nesetalis> its technically a buisness line :p
3165 2011-05-17 19:42:14 * lulzplzkthx is jelly.
3166 2011-05-17 19:42:22 <Nesetalis> but thre are 6 people who live here
3167 2011-05-17 19:42:23 <BlueMatt> as in, who do you share with?
3168 2011-05-17 19:42:25 <BlueMatt> ah
3169 2011-05-17 19:42:29 <BlueMatt> still, pretty damn good
3170 2011-05-17 19:42:32 <Nesetalis> mhm
3171 2011-05-17 19:42:34 <z310> i used to have 25/25 fios
3172 2011-05-17 19:42:41 <z310> until their caught their mistake
3173 2011-05-17 19:42:44 <BlueMatt> why would you give that up
3174 2011-05-17 19:42:51 <z310> and put us at what we're paying for, 15/5
3175 2011-05-17 19:43:01 <z310> they caught*
3176 2011-05-17 19:43:01 <BlueMatt> ah, that sucks
3177 2011-05-17 19:43:05 <lulzplzkthx> Is bitcoin.org having issues?
3178 2011-05-17 19:43:08 <z310> haha it was awesome
3179 2011-05-17 19:43:14 <z310> like waaay more bw than i can use
3180 2011-05-17 19:43:15 <lulzplzkthx> I just logged in and got redirected to http://174.143.149.98/smf/index.php, and all my images are missing.
3181 2011-05-17 19:43:20 <BlueMatt> upgrades
3182 2011-05-17 19:43:23 Moonies has joined
3183 2011-05-17 19:43:25 <lulzplzkthx> Along with the fact that I keep getting logged out.
3184 2011-05-17 19:43:26 <lulzplzkthx> Ah, okay.
3185 2011-05-17 19:43:41 <jrmithdobbs> z310: friend of mine lived in one of the test market areas back in 2005-2006
3186 2011-05-17 19:43:45 <jrmithdobbs> z310: envied him so much.
3187 2011-05-17 19:43:46 <lulzplzkthx> Ooh, forum.bitcoin.org now, eh? Fancy.
3188 2011-05-17 19:44:04 <z310> lucky yeah
3189 2011-05-17 19:44:10 <z310> fancy.
3190 2011-05-17 19:44:20 <grbgout> hmm, just me or is the forum down?
3191 2011-05-17 19:44:23 * BlueMatt needs to move to Kansas City ASAP
3192 2011-05-17 19:44:28 <BlueMatt> grbgout: upgrades
3193 2011-05-17 19:44:31 <grbgout> k
3194 2011-05-17 19:44:34 chmod755 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
3195 2011-05-17 19:44:36 <z310> grbgout: just loaded for me
3196 2011-05-17 19:44:36 <BlueMatt> google fiber ftw
3197 2011-05-17 19:44:38 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: why would anyone do that
3198 2011-05-17 19:44:40 <jrmithdobbs> oh
3199 2011-05-17 19:44:41 <jrmithdobbs> haha
3200 2011-05-17 19:44:42 <z310> they got BIG
3201 2011-05-17 19:45:00 <z310> like i disappeared for a year but
3202 2011-05-17 19:45:09 <z310> i was like the third guy generating coins
3203 2011-05-17 19:45:14 <grbgout> lulzplzkthx: I'm actually logging in to post on that writing 1kBTC bounty thread with a warning.
3204 2011-05-17 19:45:32 <Nesetalis> -starts fiending for the forum- D: i'm addicted to bitcoins.. must.. get.. my.. fix.
3205 2011-05-17 19:45:39 <BlueMatt> the what thread now?
3206 2011-05-17 19:45:46 <jrmithdobbs> the who what
3207 2011-05-17 19:46:03 <lulzplzkthx> heh grbgout
3208 2011-05-17 19:46:04 <jrmithdobbs> warning about what? people not paying out bounties any more?
3209 2011-05-17 19:46:06 <grbgout> BlueMatt: there's a writing-bounty thread, with a proclaimed 1000BTC bounty.
3210 2011-05-17 19:46:08 <lulzplzkthx> warning for what?
3211 2011-05-17 19:46:16 <BlueMatt> that the bounty is bs?
3212 2011-05-17 19:46:21 <lulzplzkthx> it's not exactly a bounty, tbh.
3213 2011-05-17 19:46:23 <grbgout> lulzplzkthx: it smacks of a ripoff. You'll see when I post, it's a pretty common approach.
3214 2011-05-17 19:46:23 <BlueMatt> writing what though?
3215 2011-05-17 19:46:31 <lulzplzkthx> yes, it does sound like a ripoff.
3216 2011-05-17 19:46:31 <grbgout> lulzplzkthx: indeed
3217 2011-05-17 19:46:32 <jrmithdobbs> lulzplzkthx: people are offering bounties and then backing out
3218 2011-05-17 19:46:42 <grbgout> lulzplzkthx: and that's part of why you know it is likely what I'm thinking it is.
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3220 2011-05-17 19:46:48 <Nesetalis> there are alot of scammers coming out of the woodwork
3221 2011-05-17 19:46:49 <BlueMatt> like the 250, Im still owed for writing upnp support?
3222 2011-05-17 19:46:54 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: link to thread?
3223 2011-05-17 19:47:06 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: er, forum is down for me, let me try the new URL
3224 2011-05-17 19:47:08 <lulzplzkthx> :P i can't wait to see your post grbgout
3225 2011-05-17 19:47:18 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: which section was it in?
3226 2011-05-17 19:47:28 <grbgout> projects
3227 2011-05-17 19:47:28 <XX01XX> What's the actuall payload of a bitcoin thatmakes it a bitcoin rather than some other token?
3228 2011-05-17 19:47:29 <lulzplzkthx> jrmithdobbs: I think Buying, maybe not.
3229 2011-05-17 19:47:42 <lulzplzkthx> nope.
3230 2011-05-17 19:47:51 <grbgout> hmm, lulzplzkthx: is that https://forum.bitcoin.org/ ?
3231 2011-05-17 19:47:52 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: did you try forum.bitcoin.org/smf
3232 2011-05-17 19:47:53 <grbgout> lulzplzkthx: it's in Projects
3233 2011-05-17 19:47:57 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: nope
3234 2011-05-17 19:48:02 <lulzplzkthx> forum.bitcoin.org/smf
3235 2011-05-17 19:48:06 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: that's new link
3236 2011-05-17 19:48:06 <lulzplzkthx> or 174.143.149.98/smf
3237 2011-05-17 19:48:09 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: that's got it
3238 2011-05-17 19:48:17 <grbgout> lulzplzkthx: was redirected to the IP, and it didn't work
3239 2011-05-17 19:48:25 <lulzplzkthx> works here, just no images.
3240 2011-05-17 19:48:40 <Nesetalis> yeah forum is borked at the moment.
3241 2011-05-17 19:48:44 <Nesetalis> cant log in
3242 2011-05-17 19:48:44 <sgornick> is the forum going to forum.bitcoin.org now? https://forum.bitcoin.org/smf if so, do all the search links to the old forum URL go 404?
3243 2011-05-17 19:48:49 <Nesetalis> and the css is missing
3244 2011-05-17 19:48:59 <Nesetalis> no sgornick.
3245 2011-05-17 19:49:05 <Nesetalis> they are relative urls
3246 2011-05-17 19:49:06 <BlueMatt> sgornick: a redirect...
3247 2011-05-17 19:49:09 <Nesetalis> SMF isnt that stupid.
3248 2011-05-17 19:49:21 <Nesetalis> or do you mean from like google or what not
3249 2011-05-17 19:49:31 <lulzplzkthx> Heh, I like the BitBank guy.
3250 2011-05-17 19:49:35 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: http://174.143.149.98/smf/index.php?topic=8159.0
3251 2011-05-17 19:49:38 <BlueMatt> I think sirius is smart enough to redirect those properly
3252 2011-05-17 19:49:42 <Nesetalis> ugh, i want to punch him in the teeth lulzplzkthx.
3253 2011-05-17 19:49:51 <BlueMatt> who?
3254 2011-05-17 19:50:00 <lulzplzkthx> lol look in marketplace @ bitbank
3255 2011-05-17 19:50:00 <Nesetalis> oh god, that guy, grbgout.
3256 2011-05-17 19:50:02 <lulzplzkthx> stupid guy lol
3257 2011-05-17 19:50:09 <sgornick> so is there an official announcement on what sirius is doing then/
3258 2011-05-17 19:50:35 <Nesetalis> http://174.143.149.98/smf/index.php?topic=8621.0
3259 2011-05-17 19:50:47 <BlueMatt> sgornick: nope, there never is...
3260 2011-05-17 19:51:35 <Nesetalis> this makes me sad :<
3261 2011-05-17 19:51:44 <Nesetalis> anti-social sirius?
3262 2011-05-17 19:51:57 <BlueMatt> antisocial-community
3263 2011-05-17 19:51:59 <jrmithdobbs> that's an obvious scam
3264 2011-05-17 19:52:10 <BlueMatt> or more realistic, people who dont have time to do the shit they do anyway
3265 2011-05-17 19:52:19 <BlueMatt> (thanks sirius )
3266 2011-05-17 19:52:42 <lulzplzkthx> what's sirius doing?
3267 2011-05-17 19:53:21 <jrmithdobbs> splitting the forums off so /. / reddit /etc destroy the frontpage on sf.net hosting instead of making the whole thing unusable
3268 2011-05-17 19:54:03 <lulzplzkthx> lolk
3269 2011-05-17 19:54:04 <BlueMatt> "The wikipedia page "List of Numbers" opens with "This list is incomplete, you can help by expanding it"" - oh the wonderful factoids you lean by reading xkcd
3270 2011-05-17 19:54:16 <lulzplzkthx> xD
3271 2011-05-17 19:54:30 <Nesetalis> -grins-
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3274 2011-05-17 19:56:10 <jrmithdobbs> so the million dollar question
3275 2011-05-17 19:56:20 marlowe has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
3276 2011-05-17 19:56:24 <Nesetalis> http://174.143.149.98/smf/index.php?topic=8433.0;topicseen here, have some more spam
3277 2011-05-17 19:56:50 <BlueMatt> why do our forum mods not ban enough?
3278 2011-05-17 19:56:59 <lulzplzkthx> ^ this.
3279 2011-05-17 19:57:00 <grbgout> There, replied.
3280 2011-05-17 19:57:04 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: lol, I see you did too.
3281 2011-05-17 19:57:05 <jrmithdobbs> do I bitch at my apt people to fix not having the microwave on it's own circuit breaker (out of code spec and fire hazard) or wait until i have these miner nodes out of it first so they don't try and pull some "lol ur running commercial equipment now evicted" thing on me
3282 2011-05-17 19:57:27 <lulzplzkthx> even when someone scams, they aren't banned. but i realized that if you ban someone who scams, it doesn't help anyway. thye've already disappeared. you just keep them from coming back and explaining or anything
3283 2011-05-17 19:57:29 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: wiat until you move the miners
3284 2011-05-17 19:57:34 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: don't give them a rebuttal.
3285 2011-05-17 19:57:35 <jrmithdobbs> seriously having issues sleeping at night now that I know how bad the electricity in here is
3286 2011-05-17 19:57:44 <jrmithdobbs> it's scarey as fuck
3287 2011-05-17 19:58:01 <jrmithdobbs> so glad i usually only have to deal with commercial power. this residential shit is ghetto as fuck.
3288 2011-05-17 19:58:07 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: the form needs a scammer badge that everyone but the scammer can see.
3289 2011-05-17 19:58:21 <grbgout> gmaxwell: lol!
3290 2011-05-17 19:58:25 <jrmithdobbs> lol
3291 2011-05-17 19:58:36 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: 2000btc bounty to get it implemented!
3292 2011-05-17 19:58:37 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
3293 2011-05-17 19:58:46 <jrmithdobbs> (not really, obv)
3294 2011-05-17 19:58:53 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: hah you'll get the scammer badge for that bounty! ;)
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3296 2011-05-17 19:59:00 <BlueMatt> can I get a 10 billion btc bounty to finish wallet priv key encryption?
3297 2011-05-17 19:59:10 <grbgout> BlueMatt: sure, will you take a check? :)
3298 2011-05-17 19:59:33 <BlueMatt> Ill take a scammer badge as proof of sincerity
3299 2011-05-17 19:59:34 <grbgout> It'll be dated in the future though...
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3301 2011-05-17 19:59:57 <BlueMatt> can some non-mingw-installed windows user test the latest win32 nightly?
3302 2011-05-17 20:00:10 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: more freelance artists (writes, ui designers, etc) really need to live by " fuck you, pay me"
3303 2011-05-17 20:00:18 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: hate seeing them burned all the damned time
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3305 2011-05-17 20:01:10 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: did you watch the video? It's pretty good.
3306 2011-05-17 20:01:24 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: sucks that those skills tend to (not always) come with the types of personalities that are easy to scam
3307 2011-05-17 20:01:37 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: nah but i know the gist of it. It's a lesson i had to learn contracting
3308 2011-05-17 20:01:44 <jrmithdobbs> everyone who contracts figures it out at some point.
3309 2011-05-17 20:01:50 <jrmithdobbs> (or goes bankrupt)
3310 2011-05-17 20:02:55 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: my outlook comes from an old timer i worked with for a while (IT) .... the company's goal is to exploit you for as much work you're willing to output for the least ammount of investment on their part
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3312 2011-05-17 20:03:13 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: this isn't cynicism. THIS IS THE LAW that corporations are governed by.
3313 2011-05-17 20:03:48 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: doing anything else is actually illegal for them to do. which is fine. you just need to be aware of it. Don't ever work for free.
3314 2011-05-17 20:03:56 <jrmithdobbs> turn about is fair play.
3315 2011-05-17 20:04:29 <lfm> jrmithdobbs: ya they sure like people doing free overtime and crap
3316 2011-05-17 20:05:25 <ArtForzZz> jrmithdobbs: wrong
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3318 2011-05-17 20:06:07 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: learns what?
3319 2011-05-17 20:07:25 <Mookman288> Gah, my VM just doesn't output enough power.
3320 2011-05-17 20:07:34 <BlueMatt> for?
3321 2011-05-17 20:07:38 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZz: wrong how?
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3323 2011-05-17 20:08:20 <ArtForzZz> it's a common misconception
3324 2011-05-17 20:08:22 <Mookman288> To get enough MH/s.
3325 2011-05-17 20:08:38 <ArtForzZz> THE LAW as you put it, requires a company to maximize shareholder value
3326 2011-05-17 20:08:54 <ArtForzZz> though plenty idiots think that means next quarter earnings, it doesn't
3327 2011-05-17 20:08:56 <lfm> Mookman288: is the hardware yours or just the vm?
3328 2011-05-17 20:09:05 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZz: it's an oversimplification, i'm aware
3329 2011-05-17 20:09:18 <Mookman288> The VM is sitting on top of the host, which is on top of the hardware. I own both. The VM virtualizes it's hardware.
3330 2011-05-17 20:09:29 <Mookman288> It wouldn't matter if the CPU was a hexacore, or quadcore.
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3332 2011-05-17 20:09:57 <lfm> Mookman288: ok, ya, dont run bitcoin in a vm, run it on the host os
3333 2011-05-17 20:10:06 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZz: but it's a nice easy way to illustrate for people
3334 2011-05-17 20:10:19 <Mookman288> I realize that's what you're supposed to do, but I need to limit the maximum processing power because I only have one machine.
3335 2011-05-17 20:10:25 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZz: one valid mindset for making sure you don't get fucked over doing contract/freelance work
3336 2011-05-17 20:10:36 <Mookman288> If I had the know how, I would investigate increasing the efficiency.
3337 2011-05-17 20:10:45 <lfm> Mookman288: ya bitcoin will run lowwest priority
3338 2011-05-17 20:11:04 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: cool talk so far though
3339 2011-05-17 20:11:15 <Mookman288> It's currently utilizing 90.3% of the VMs CPU.
3340 2011-05-17 20:11:31 <amstan> any idea why diablominer crashes on me? http://pastebin.com/SGTtLasG
3341 2011-05-17 20:11:34 <Mookman288> Atleast this miner, lfm.
3342 2011-05-17 20:11:36 * amstan is sorry if this is the wrong place
3343 2011-05-17 20:11:55 <lfm> ya, if 90% is unused it will run 90%, if anything else wants to run it will run first
3344 2011-05-17 20:12:00 <jrmithdobbs> Mookman288: cpu mining is a waste of power
3345 2011-05-17 20:12:20 <Mookman288> I can either use 0%, or 90% jrmithdobbs. I can't see how it's a waste in this particular instance.
3346 2011-05-17 20:12:38 <jrmithdobbs> Mookman288: you're spending more money on power than you will ever see in returns
3347 2011-05-17 20:12:41 <jrmithdobbs> period.
3348 2011-05-17 20:12:49 <Mookman288> jrmithdobbs: I'm not spending any more in actual power usage.
3349 2011-05-17 20:12:52 <lfm> Mookman288: still the vm is not needed
3350 2011-05-17 20:13:06 <jrmithdobbs> Mookman288: you will if you keep it peaked at 100% cpu 24/7
3351 2011-05-17 20:13:19 <Mookman288> jrmithdobbs: It's a VM cpu, my actual CPU is around 0.25%.
3352 2011-05-17 20:13:39 <lfm> Mookman288: its true a 100% cpu uses more power than an idle cpu
3353 2011-05-17 20:14:01 <BlueMatt> wtf kind of vm are you running?
3354 2011-05-17 20:14:13 <jrmithdobbs> Mookman288: k, feel free to waste power if you want, just warning you
3355 2011-05-17 20:14:15 <Mookman288> lfm: Yes I realize this but it wouldn't really be a waste by not using it.
3356 2011-05-17 20:14:42 <lfm> Mookman288: depends if you like giving money to the power company
3357 2011-05-17 20:14:43 <Mookman288> jrmithdobbs: The difference in wattage is not actually visible on my kill-a-watt.
3358 2011-05-17 20:15:07 <lfm> Mookman288: if your kiilawatt cant see it you are doing it wrong
3359 2011-05-17 20:15:43 <Mookman288> lfm: If you say so.
3360 2011-05-17 20:15:58 <lfm> Mookman288: what actual cpu is it?
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3362 2011-05-17 20:16:04 <Lachesis> jrmithdobbs, i've done the calculation here - it's worth running cpu miner
3363 2011-05-17 20:16:06 <Mookman288> lfm: It has no name, it's not a real CPU.
3364 2011-05-17 20:16:11 <Lachesis> make about $8 a month
3365 2011-05-17 20:16:14 <Lachesis> and pay about $3
3366 2011-05-17 20:16:20 <Lachesis> not _really_ worth it though
3367 2011-05-17 20:16:37 <Lachesis> b/c my time in dealing with it and the extra stress on my hardware
3368 2011-05-17 20:16:38 <lfm> Mookman288: the real hardware cpu is from intel? amd? via? someone else?
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3370 2011-05-17 20:16:57 <Mookman288> lfm: AMD.
3371 2011-05-17 20:17:09 <Mookman288> lfm: it would run the same on VIA.
3372 2011-05-17 20:17:21 <lfm> Mookman288: ok and it has an amd model number and or name then
3373 2011-05-17 20:17:41 <Mookman288> lfm: you're not really understanding this. It can be ANY cpu. It doesn't have any impact on the function of this program.
3374 2011-05-17 20:17:49 <jrmithdobbs> Lachesis: you're assuming this bubble isn't going to pop
3375 2011-05-17 20:18:00 <mtrlt> who says this is a bubbel
3376 2011-05-17 20:18:03 <lfm> Mookman288: are we talking about bitcoin at all here?
3377 2011-05-17 20:18:08 <Mookman288> lfm: Yep.
3378 2011-05-17 20:18:21 <Mookman288> lfm: However, you've sort of changed the topic on this one.
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3380 2011-05-17 20:18:45 <Mookman288> lfm: I actually have no idea what use the information you're asking would be.
3381 2011-05-17 20:18:46 <lfm> Mookman288: ok is the the bitcoin 0.3.xx client or a cpuminer or some other programm?
3382 2011-05-17 20:18:58 <Mookman288> lfm: cpuminer, but still I don't see what you're getting at now.
3383 2011-05-17 20:19:13 <lfm> Mookman288: you're saying you dont really know the model name/number?
3384 2011-05-17 20:19:32 <Mookman288> lfm: The VMWare processor has no model number.
3385 2011-05-17 20:19:47 <lfm> like amd athlon 64 x4 or something?
3386 2011-05-17 20:19:52 <Lachesis> jrmithdobbs, well yeah
3387 2011-05-17 20:19:54 <Mookman288> What would that matter exactly?
3388 2011-05-17 20:20:10 <Mookman288> lfm why would that have any impact -at all-
3389 2011-05-17 20:20:12 <lfm> Mookman288: ig you want to optimize cpuminer it would matter
3390 2011-05-17 20:20:13 <jrmithdobbs> Lachesis: bad assumption to make business decisions on
3391 2011-05-17 20:20:25 <Lachesis> but if you're making an instantaneous calculation (i.e. i have the hardware, should I run the miner), then the future price is irrelvant.
3392 2011-05-17 20:20:27 <Mookman288> lfm: If I want to optimize cpuminer, having the host CPU would do me no use you realize
3393 2011-05-17 20:20:40 <lfm> Mookman288: also it would matter how much power it will be using
3394 2011-05-17 20:20:41 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: he just said vmware so it's def intel or latest round of amd
3395 2011-05-17 20:20:48 <jrmithdobbs> heh
3396 2011-05-17 20:20:53 <Mookman288> lfm: From wikipedia: A virtual machine (VM) is a "completely isolated operating system installation within your normal operating system".
3397 2011-05-17 20:21:18 <Mookman288> jrmithdobbs: I don't see how, I can run ESXi on a 3200+ from 2003.
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3399 2011-05-17 20:21:32 <edcba> "completely"
3400 2011-05-17 20:21:43 <lfm> Mookman288: ya, sure, it still has itel or amd intruction set underneath and the VM can still know that and optimize for it
3401 2011-05-17 20:22:00 <BlueMatt> Mookman288: what was that earlier about 1% cpu on the host and 99% on the guest?
3402 2011-05-17 20:22:05 <BlueMatt> what kind of crappy vm is that?
3403 2011-05-17 20:22:06 <Mookman288> lfm: I can drop this vm on any processor in the world. Period. I cannot send instructions past the VM shell.
3404 2011-05-17 20:22:30 <ArtForzZz> Mookman288: you fail.
3405 2011-05-17 20:22:32 <BlueMatt> (though it works better on some processors)
3406 2011-05-17 20:22:33 <jrmithdobbs> Mookman288: show me how you're gonna drop it on z/vm
3407 2011-05-17 20:22:34 <lfm> bluematt ESV is VMWARE commercial system
3408 2011-05-17 20:22:39 <jrmithdobbs> Mookman288: obviously retarded
3409 2011-05-17 20:22:41 <lfm> ESX
3410 2011-05-17 20:22:48 <BlueMatt> ESXi or ESX
3411 2011-05-17 20:22:57 <lfm> ya whatever
3412 2011-05-17 20:22:57 <BlueMatt> ESXi is technically free, and no one uses ESX
3413 2011-05-17 20:22:58 <Mookman288> You're telling me, straight off, that I cannot move VM's freely between systems?
3414 2011-05-17 20:23:02 <Mookman288> Do I have a bridge to sell you.
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3416 2011-05-17 20:23:19 <ArtForzZz> not without completely destroying performance in plenty of cases
3417 2011-05-17 20:23:28 <jrmithdobbs> Mookman288: i'm telling you your vms will not run on z/vm, I will give you 20btc if you prove me wrong.
3418 2011-05-17 20:23:31 <BlueMatt> ArtForzZz: how so?
3419 2011-05-17 20:23:41 <lfm> Mookman288: if you move em between intel and amd the software could get confused, yes
3420 2011-05-17 20:23:43 <ArtForzZz> BlueMatt: not all cpus have the same insn set
3421 2011-05-17 20:23:48 <Mookman288> Then I suspect performance has been severely destroyed, jrmithdobbs.
3422 2011-05-17 20:23:53 <Nesetalis> damnit.. this again "The last posting from your IP was less than 0 seconds ago. Please try again later. "
3423 2011-05-17 20:23:59 <Mookman288> lfm: This has not happened to me yet, I must be special.
3424 2011-05-17 20:24:01 <jrmithdobbs> Mookman288: then you don't know what z/vm is
3425 2011-05-17 20:24:03 <ArtForzZz> guess what happens when code inside the VM uses a SSE insn that once cpu does natively, while on another the VM has to trap and emulate?
3426 2011-05-17 20:24:05 <BlueMatt> ArtForzZz: but typically vmware doesnt show the full set to the guest afaik, just some basic crap
3427 2011-05-17 20:24:29 <Mookman288> jrmithdobbs: I was agreeing with ArtForzZz, my mistake on referencing you.
3428 2011-05-17 20:24:44 <lfm> Mookman288: it of course could WORK WITH THE COMMON SUBSET AND MOVE BETWEEN INTEL AND AMD TRANPERENTLY BUT IT CANT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OPTIMIZATION THEN
3429 2011-05-17 20:24:55 <lfm> dam caps, sorry
3430 2011-05-17 20:25:04 <Lachesis> lol calm down lfm :)
3431 2011-05-17 20:25:11 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: appropriate anyways ;P
3432 2011-05-17 20:25:14 * ArtForzZz steals lfm's capslock key
3433 2011-05-17 20:25:28 <Lachesis> ArtForzZz, I thought the zZz meant sleeping
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3435 2011-05-17 20:25:41 <ArtForzZz> sleepchatting, like sleepwalking but in IRC
3436 2011-05-17 20:25:41 <BlueMatt> Lachesis: ArtForzZz is magic, he ircs in his sleep
3437 2011-05-17 20:25:45 <lfm> ya he is stealth sleeping
3438 2011-05-17 20:25:45 <Lachesis> lol
3439 2011-05-17 20:26:03 <BlueMatt> lfm: well most apps these days are just binary debs and such which typically dont use sse or crap, and it doesnt make a huge difference unless you are doing a ton of high-computing crap
3440 2011-05-17 20:26:28 <lfm> bluematt ya, like cpuminer
3441 2011-05-17 20:26:40 <BlueMatt> well, yes that would be a problem
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3443 2011-05-17 20:26:48 <jrmithdobbs> right which was his whole point to begin with
3444 2011-05-17 20:26:48 <jrmithdobbs> haha
3445 2011-05-17 20:27:02 <nanotube> BlueMatt: he's banned for good reason. :) he's a spammer and a scammer (see his ratings)
3446 2011-05-17 20:27:03 allied has joined
3447 2011-05-17 20:27:06 * BlueMatt missed 90% of the beginning of the convo
3448 2011-05-17 20:27:19 <BlueMatt> nanotube: yea, no I recognized him after a sec (he changed his nick)
3449 2011-05-17 20:27:30 <ArtForzZz> convo breaker!
3450 2011-05-17 20:27:37 <BlueMatt> the old "anyone want hosting, Ima spam for the next 10 secs then bolt" buy
3451 2011-05-17 20:27:40 <BlueMatt> guy
3452 2011-05-17 20:28:03 <lfm> so anyway, if he cant see any power use by cpuminer on his killawatt then he has either throttled that vm down to uselessness or he otherwise has no idea what he is really doing
3453 2011-05-17 20:28:30 <jrmithdobbs> voting latter based on rest of the conversation
3454 2011-05-17 20:28:31 <Lachesis> lfm, or his machine doesn't downclock when the VM is on
3455 2011-05-17 20:28:39 <BlueMatt> yea, didnt he say he had 1% cpuusage on his host, hence throttled to nothing
3456 2011-05-17 20:29:14 <lfm> and i totally do not see his point in running it in a VM in the first place
3457 2011-05-17 20:29:34 <XX01XX> What exactly will the bitcoin client do after 0.3.22 if it can't generate coins?
3458 2011-05-17 20:29:36 <Lachesis> ;;bc,next
3459 2011-05-17 20:29:36 <gribble> Error: "bc,next" is not a valid command.
3460 2011-05-17 20:29:44 <Lachesis> damnit gribble, what's the right command then? :)
3461 2011-05-17 20:29:47 <BlueMatt> XX01XX: it can, just not in the gui
3462 2011-05-17 20:29:59 <lfm> XX01XX: huh? I suspect you have missunderstood something
3463 2011-05-17 20:30:02 <BlueMatt> all the gpu miners/rpc cpu miners keep working, but it keeps noobs from complaining
3464 2011-05-17 20:30:13 <forrestv> XX01XX, it will be able to process transactions
3465 2011-05-17 20:30:23 <BlueMatt> "Ive checked generate coins and it hasnt made anything yet, its been running for 2 days"...its gonna take a year
3466 2011-05-17 20:30:50 <dinox> Is there any way to get the address which generated blocks are paid to when solo mining?
3467 2011-05-17 20:31:01 <Lachesis> where does gribble get its next diff estimate?
3468 2011-05-17 20:31:01 <npouillard> [Tycho]: Yay! thanks for the SSL support on deepbit!
3469 2011-05-17 20:31:09 <lfm> dinox ya, after it is generated ...
3470 2011-05-17 20:31:25 <dinox> lfm: But not before?
3471 2011-05-17 20:31:42 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
3472 2011-05-17 20:31:44 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression. Please remove them.
3473 2011-05-17 20:31:44 <lfm> dinox, not for solo mining, it will use a new one
3474 2011-05-17 20:31:59 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: much longer
3475 2011-05-17 20:32:31 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
3476 2011-05-17 20:32:32 <BlueMatt> meh, you get the point
3477 2011-05-17 20:32:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 41475067.5217 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 4 hours, 31 minutes, and 42 seconds
3478 2011-05-17 20:32:59 <dinox> lfm: ok, so only way to determine if I have solved a block is by calling listtransactions on bitcoind?
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3480 2011-05-17 20:33:33 <XX01XX> Seems like that undermines the idea of the blockchain maintenance being distirbuted.
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3482 2011-05-17 20:33:35 <luke-jr> dinox: it will show up in the GUI too
3483 2011-05-17 20:34:54 <lfm> dinox or getbalance perhaps
3484 2011-05-17 20:34:56 <XX01XX> You could change it to "Enter Bitcoin Lottery" so the conceptual understanding is closer.
3485 2011-05-17 20:35:22 <BlueMatt> XX01XX: its been discussed...at very, very long length, I think everyone is done discussing it
3486 2011-05-17 20:35:50 <lfm> XX01XX: keep old version if you prefer
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3488 2011-05-17 20:35:59 <ekls> Hi
3489 2011-05-17 20:36:04 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: that's a great talk
3490 2011-05-17 20:36:06 <BlueMatt> hi
3491 2011-05-17 20:36:09 <lfm> ekls: hi
3492 2011-05-17 20:36:14 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: wish every designer would follow his advice
3493 2011-05-17 20:37:06 <XX01XX> I realize it's annoying to have a bunch of dumb n00bs coming in here asking why they don't have any bitcoins yet... but you have to balance that against the number of people who are interested in the client only because they can mine.
3494 2011-05-17 20:37:25 <lfm> Lachesis: gribble estimate is just extrapolation of block rate since last diff change
3495 2011-05-17 20:37:42 <XX01XX> You just get a bunch of noobs asking how they can mine... and then asking why they don't have any bitcoins yet.
3496 2011-05-17 20:37:57 <BlueMatt> <BlueMatt> XX01XX: its been discussed...at very, very long length, I think everyone is done discussing it
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3498 2011-05-17 20:38:23 <lfm> XX01XX: just point em to cpuminer I guess
3499 2011-05-17 20:38:53 <lfm> then live with it when they complain its est a year to win
3500 2011-05-17 20:39:23 <subpar_> Is there a known limit to what bitcoind can handle from a pool - 50 Gh/s - 100Gh/s ?
3501 2011-05-17 20:39:27 <ekls> I hacked some improvements to the german translation files locally. How would I proceed from this point on? Is here someone, who can take a look at it or do I need to upload it somewhere?
3502 2011-05-17 20:39:48 <lfm> subparshouldnt be any limit really, just bugs
3503 2011-05-17 20:40:03 <XX01XX> How significant is the hash contribution of the multitude of little people getting 1000 khs?
3504 2011-05-17 20:40:15 <subpar_> lfm: ok - thks
3505 2011-05-17 20:40:42 <BlueMatt> ekls: rebase onto https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/blob/769e457d9432706af7704e61f9a5ec1a7ab21153/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po then either push on git, or email to me
3506 2011-05-17 20:40:46 <BlueMatt> matt@bluematt.me
3507 2011-05-17 20:40:46 <subpar_> I guess it is more an issue of getworks/s
3508 2011-05-17 20:41:10 <lfm> XX01XX: prolly ask a pool manager, they might have some way of knowing
3509 2011-05-17 20:41:11 <subpar_> but getworks/s are collearted closely (I assume) with hashrate
3510 2011-05-17 20:41:15 <BlueMatt> ekls: there were a ton of translations updated in that commit, but your updates are likely still valid, that was mostly just an add-new stuff to match client update
3511 2011-05-17 20:41:16 <Lachesis> lfm, i just wanted the url from which it pulled.. found it
3512 2011-05-17 20:41:27 <subpar_> correlated
3513 2011-05-17 20:41:35 <ArtForzZz> subpar_: nope
3514 2011-05-17 20:42:00 <ArtForzZz> well, they are correlated
3515 2011-05-17 20:42:04 <subpar_> ArtForzZz: this all pertains back to btcguild...
3516 2011-05-17 20:42:16 <ArtForzZz> but ehre's a huge variable in there for LP supprt and roll-ntime
3517 2011-05-17 20:42:18 <subpar_> correlated but not highly ?
3518 2011-05-17 20:42:22 <lfm> subpar um, kinda ya, depends on the miner how it uses getwork
3519 2011-05-17 20:42:24 <subpar_> got it
3520 2011-05-17 20:42:29 <ekls> BlueMatt: I'll mail, thanks
3521 2011-05-17 20:44:47 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: i'll get that capabilities bounding set rebased and mangled into autotools some time this week btw
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3523 2011-05-17 20:44:57 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: yup
3524 2011-05-17 20:45:06 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: I pass it along whenever I meet new freelancers.
3525 2011-05-17 20:45:18 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: you need to convince jgarzik it should be pulled first
3526 2011-05-17 20:45:22 <BlueMatt> not my decision
3527 2011-05-17 20:45:28 <BlueMatt> nor am I sure of which is right
3528 2011-05-17 20:45:43 <jrmithdobbs> never saw his objections
3529 2011-05-17 20:45:58 <BlueMatt> "overengineering" and not worth it
3530 2011-05-17 20:46:27 <jrmithdobbs> eh, it's just a way of preventing issues outside of bitcoind's control from causing an attack vector
3531 2011-05-17 20:46:36 <BlueMatt> talk to jgarzik
3532 2011-05-17 20:46:41 <jrmithdobbs> aye, i will
3533 2011-05-17 20:46:42 <BlueMatt> or sipa/tcatm
3534 2011-05-17 20:47:19 <jrmithdobbs> and it should stay a build time option that's off by default anyways
3535 2011-05-17 20:47:24 <BlueMatt> IMHO its not a huge deal as all it realistically prevents is suid privilege escalation which isnt that huge or a problem
3536 2011-05-17 20:47:39 <jrmithdobbs> it prevents some escalation paths through /proc and such too
3537 2011-05-17 20:47:43 <jrmithdobbs> but ya
3538 2011-05-17 20:48:20 <BlueMatt> 1st attempt at bitcoin 0.3.22 compilation via gitian for win32...god this is gonna take hours...
3539 2011-05-17 20:50:53 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, what?
3540 2011-05-17 20:51:33 <BlueMatt> building 0.3.22 rc2 binaries with the hope of officialness soon...but if I made a mistake in the make stuff...god its gonna take hours
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3544 2011-05-17 20:56:22 <Titeuf_87> Small question: if a mining pool creates a block that contains an invalid transaction, this will cause the blockchain to fork right?
3545 2011-05-17 20:56:31 <Titeuf_87> (assuming that pool has <50% of the hashing power)
3546 2011-05-17 20:56:39 <jrmithdobbs> <50% of nodes not hashing power
3547 2011-05-17 20:56:47 <jrmithdobbs> and yes if the block is invalid it'll fork
3548 2011-05-17 20:57:07 <BlueMatt> wont really fork, just wont be accepted by anyone but the pool
3549 2011-05-17 20:57:07 <Titeuf_87> awesome, I understand that part right then :)
3550 2011-05-17 20:57:27 <BlueMatt> so it will only "fork" to the pool, to everyone else, someone is trying to spam them with invalid blocks
3551 2011-05-17 20:58:03 <Titeuf_87> ah ok, makes sense!
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3560 2011-05-17 21:03:43 <Enchilada> How many KLOCs is bitcoin?
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3562 2011-05-17 21:03:52 <BlueMatt> wtf?
3563 2011-05-17 21:04:02 <Enchilada> kLOC. thousand Lines of Code
3564 2011-05-17 21:04:02 <luke-jr> Enchilada: what program?
3565 2011-05-17 21:04:18 <Enchilada> bitcoin
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3567 2011-05-17 21:04:25 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/
3568 2011-05-17 21:04:38 <bbfx> Hello everyone! I just have one question: Was it easier to mine bitcoins in the beginning that it is now? Because if it wasn't like this, then why would it take more than 100years to create all the 21million coins?
3569 2011-05-17 21:04:59 <luke-jr> bbfx: read the paper
3570 2011-05-17 21:05:02 <bbfx> Considering we have already created 6 mill
3571 2011-05-17 21:05:11 <bbfx> what paper?
3572 2011-05-17 21:05:15 <luke-jr> next year, reward drops to 25 BTC
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3574 2011-05-17 21:05:19 <luke-jr> the Bitcoin paper
3575 2011-05-17 21:05:31 <BlueMatt> google bitcoin.pdf
3576 2011-05-17 21:05:48 <bbfx> Ok thanks
3577 2011-05-17 21:05:49 <Enchilada> What are the prerequisites for understanding the bitcoin source code? Is it well commented and documented?
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3579 2011-05-17 21:06:10 <jrmithdobbs> it's a little overwhelming but pretty straight forward
3580 2011-05-17 21:06:31 <BlueMatt> Enchilada: well commented, not really...documented, not at all
3581 2011-05-17 21:06:34 <BlueMatt> just dive in and have fun
3582 2011-05-17 21:06:39 <Enchilada> scary
3583 2011-05-17 21:06:41 <Enchilada> is it c?
3584 2011-05-17 21:06:43 <Enchilada> or ruby?
3585 2011-05-17 21:06:44 <BlueMatt> C++
3586 2011-05-17 21:06:48 <Enchilada> yikes
3587 2011-05-17 21:08:37 <yuzhe> dont read the sources, start with the wiki
3588 2011-05-17 21:08:44 <yuzhe> then look up according parts in code
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3590 2011-05-17 21:09:00 <WakiMiko_> http://bellard.org/jslinux/ holy fucking shit
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3592 2011-05-17 21:09:11 <BlueMatt> WakiMiko_: yea, insane isnt it
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3594 2011-05-17 21:09:28 <BlueMatt> you dont really need to read the source unless you want to change something, start with the wiki
3595 2011-05-17 21:09:35 <BlueMatt> though some specifics are only in the source
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3598 2011-05-17 21:09:51 <yuzhe> WakiMiko_: 20 bogomips
3599 2011-05-17 21:09:55 <yuzhe> WakiMiko_: hows yours?
3600 2011-05-17 21:10:07 <WakiMiko_> 20.21
3601 2011-05-17 21:10:20 <jrmithdobbs> is that really loading a kernel in my browser whoa
3602 2011-05-17 21:10:22 <yuzhe> mine too, guess its hardcoded
3603 2011-05-17 21:10:29 <luke-jr> Enchilada: who uses Ruby?
3604 2011-05-17 21:10:29 <WakiMiko_> jrmithdobbs: it is
3605 2011-05-17 21:10:38 <WakiMiko_> he even wrote a compiler and an emacs clone
3606 2011-05-17 21:10:41 <Enchilada> luke-jr: lol
3607 2011-05-17 21:10:43 <yuzhe> its actually CPU emu
3608 2011-05-17 21:10:47 <WakiMiko_> it even has syntax highlighting
3609 2011-05-17 21:10:48 <yuzhe> so it can run even windows xp
3610 2011-05-17 21:10:52 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: ;P
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3614 2011-05-17 21:12:27 <BlueMatt> I really want networking on there, then I can just put all my vms in a website ;)
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3617 2011-05-17 21:12:43 <BlueMatt> ff running from linux, running in ff :)
3618 2011-05-17 21:12:50 <BlueMatt> the definition of meta
3619 2011-05-17 21:12:51 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: that's some pretty cool stuff btw
3620 2011-05-17 21:12:51 <luke-jr> yuzhe: doubt it
3621 2011-05-17 21:13:00 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: ?
3622 2011-05-17 21:13:06 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: coinbaser
3623 2011-05-17 21:13:19 <BlueMatt> its still mising quite a few instructions, but if someone spent a lot of time, they could do vga and run windows
3624 2011-05-17 21:13:41 <yuzhe> BlueMatt: its got rs232, so its kind of networking
3625 2011-05-17 21:13:58 <yuzhe> no vga though :(
3626 2011-05-17 21:13:59 <BlueMatt> yuzhe: I mean networking to the outside, ie real networking
3627 2011-05-17 21:14:23 <yuzhe> BlueMatt: yeah, just setup ppp to ajax gateway :)
3628 2011-05-17 21:14:33 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: ah
3629 2011-05-17 21:14:42 <BlueMatt> oh god
3630 2011-05-17 21:14:49 <BlueMatt> pppoajax
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3634 2011-05-17 21:17:01 <BlueMatt> why are quotes all blue...?
3635 2011-05-17 21:19:45 <WakiMiko_> hehe the emacs in it is quite slow, while the vi is blazing fast :P
3636 2011-05-17 21:19:52 <WakiMiko_> take that emacs fanboys!!
3637 2011-05-17 21:20:00 <jrmithdobbs> WakiMiko_: that is not unique to that platform.
3638 2011-05-17 21:20:25 <WakiMiko_> well with todays cpu power it doesnt really matter any more
3639 2011-05-17 21:20:30 <WakiMiko_> i dont notice a difference on my pc
3640 2011-05-17 21:20:34 <WakiMiko_> between vim and emacs that is
3641 2011-05-17 21:20:47 <jrmithdobbs> right, but that's because your machine is so overpowered for the task
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3643 2011-05-17 21:20:53 <WakiMiko_> yeah
3644 2011-05-17 21:21:01 <jrmithdobbs> throw it on a geod 450 or a small arm thing and it becomes very apparent very quickly ;P
3645 2011-05-17 21:21:07 <jrmithdobbs> s/geod/geode/
3646 2011-05-17 21:21:24 <WakiMiko_> vim runs well on my n900, havent tried emacs though
3647 2011-05-17 21:21:36 <jrmithdobbs> still overpowered for the task ;p
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3649 2011-05-17 21:22:18 <ArtForzZz> emacs is a nice os, now if it only had a decent text editor... *ducks*
3650 2011-05-17 21:22:45 <iera> i think this one is older than me
3651 2011-05-17 21:22:49 <jrmithdobbs> and a decent vmm
3652 2011-05-17 21:22:49 <bbfx> Read the wiki, but still cant figure out how 6mill coins were created in such a small amount of time when it says the next 15million coins will take 100 years + to make. Anyone got a simple explanation for this?
3653 2011-05-17 21:22:52 <ArtForzZz> it is
3654 2011-05-17 21:22:52 * jrmithdobbs ducks further
3655 2011-05-17 21:22:58 <luke-jr> I managed to kernel panic it
3656 2011-05-17 21:22:59 * BlueMatt is such a noob, he just uses nano :)
3657 2011-05-17 21:23:03 <WakiMiko_> When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi and Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, âC-h for helpâ and ââfooâ File is read onlyâ. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
3658 2011-05-17 21:23:14 <ArtForzZz> ed?
3659 2011-05-17 21:23:18 <directhex> bbfx: mining difficulty goes up every couple of thousand blocks.
3660 2011-05-17 21:23:25 <WakiMiko_> ArtForzZz: yeah :P
3661 2011-05-17 21:23:27 <jrmithdobbs> ed is p awesome
3662 2011-05-17 21:23:41 <bbfx> ok, so it was very easy in the beginning to generate a coin yeah?
3663 2011-05-17 21:23:45 <jrmithdobbs> i actually do use ed from time to time ;P
3664 2011-05-17 21:23:52 <WakiMiko_> When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a âviitorâ. Not a âemacsitorâ. Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
3665 2011-05-17 21:23:58 <jrmithdobbs> when i want sed with command history
3666 2011-05-17 21:24:00 <jrmithdobbs> haha
3667 2011-05-17 21:24:01 <WakiMiko_> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html love this
3668 2011-05-17 21:24:33 <bbfx> thanks for good and easy answer directhex anyways:)
3669 2011-05-17 21:24:47 <edcba> directhex: no it's because the reward is /2 every X year
3670 2011-05-17 21:24:55 <directhex> that too
3671 2011-05-17 21:25:01 <jrmithdobbs> directhex: can go down too.
3672 2011-05-17 21:25:12 <directhex> jrmithdobbs: true. not often though.
3673 2011-05-17 21:25:23 <jrmithdobbs> difficulty is re-evaluated every n blocks is more accurate
3674 2011-05-17 21:25:47 <edcba> difficulty just make sure the blocks happen at regular interval
3675 2011-05-17 21:25:48 <jrmithdobbs> and it's attempted to be kept at approximately 1 block per 10 minutes
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3678 2011-05-17 21:27:03 <bbfx> Does anyone here believe that btc will be the primary currency for illegal activities in the coming years?
3679 2011-05-17 21:27:14 <ArtForzZz> nope
3680 2011-05-17 21:27:28 <edcba> i think it's too much monitorable
3681 2011-05-17 21:27:29 <sipa> i'm sure some do
3682 2011-05-17 21:27:33 <ArtForzZz> that'd probably still be good ole USD
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3684 2011-05-17 21:27:44 <bbfx> yeah
3685 2011-05-17 21:27:46 <sipa> but i definitely don't
3686 2011-05-17 21:27:58 <edcba> maybe a lot of ppl will get caught thanks to bitcoin
3687 2011-05-17 21:28:03 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
3688 2011-05-17 21:28:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 41389168.1758 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 4 hours, 32 minutes, and 16 seconds
3689 2011-05-17 21:28:06 <jrmithdobbs> usd is so much easier to counterfeit
3690 2011-05-17 21:28:06 <edcba> like pedophiles and internet
3691 2011-05-17 21:28:10 <ArtForzZz> edcba: quite possible
3692 2011-05-17 21:28:27 <edcba> i mean real pedophiles lol
3693 2011-05-17 21:28:33 <ArtForzZz> keeping you'r pubkey "nyms" seperate from a real identity isnt *that* easy
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3695 2011-05-17 21:28:37 <ArtForzZz> -'
3696 2011-05-17 21:28:45 <ArtForzZz> +'
3697 2011-05-17 21:29:10 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZz: especially with every additional press article claiming it's untracable
3698 2011-05-17 21:29:12 <bbfx> but say someone was to buy some blotters of lsd over the internet, would it require to much energy from FBI (or whatever agency) to trace it for them to bother?
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3700 2011-05-17 21:29:55 <ArtForzZz> well, if the seller gets caught or is a honeypot, they're SOL anyways
3701 2011-05-17 21:30:20 <jrmithdobbs> bbfx: txns can be traced to the source and unless you do some very crazy (and expensive due to txn fees) stuff are very easily tracable due to the fact that money has to enter and leave at some point (the way the system is being used at this time, at least)
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3703 2011-05-17 21:31:25 <bbfx> Right.. but this would require a lot of research am I right?
3704 2011-05-17 21:31:35 <Jere_Jones> bbfx: The main reason that it will take 140 years to make 21 million bitcoins is that the number of bitcoins rewarded for creating a block is halved every 4 years or so.
3705 2011-05-17 21:31:39 <jrmithdobbs> bbfx: no
3706 2011-05-17 21:31:47 <jrmithdobbs> bbfx: it requires knowing how to use blockexplorer.com
3707 2011-05-17 21:32:13 <jrmithdobbs> bbfx: which, admittedly, is outside the scope of your average fbi computer crimes agent ...
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3709 2011-05-17 21:32:31 <bbfx> I see
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3711 2011-05-17 21:32:47 <bbfx> But this could in other words turn into a trap for criminals then?
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3713 2011-05-17 21:33:56 <jrmithdobbs> no more so than normal banking systems really
3714 2011-05-17 21:34:36 <edcba> it's a bit more anonymous than your credit card
3715 2011-05-17 21:34:42 <jrmithdobbs> not really
3716 2011-05-17 21:34:42 <ArtForzZz> quite a bit more
3717 2011-05-17 21:34:47 <ArtForzZz> yes really
3718 2011-05-17 21:34:49 <bbfx> hmm ok. Would you consider it safe to use btc for illegal activities at this time?
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3720 2011-05-17 21:35:01 <jrmithdobbs> only in that they can't just fork over a warrant and be handed it immediately and would have to do the legwork themselves
3721 2011-05-17 21:35:20 <diki> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=8713.0
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3723 2011-05-17 21:35:23 <edcba> depend on illegal acticity
3724 2011-05-17 21:35:24 <jrmithdobbs> bbfx: nobody's going to endorse it
3725 2011-05-17 21:35:35 <carldays> anyone buying or selling
3726 2011-05-17 21:36:03 <jrmithdobbs> carldays: wrong channel
3727 2011-05-17 21:36:11 <carldays> ok
3728 2011-05-17 21:36:21 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
3729 2011-05-17 21:36:22 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.389,"low":7,"vol":35426,"buy":7.002,"sell":7.0144,"last":7.002}}
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3740 2011-05-17 21:46:04 <jrmithdobbs> anyone know the spec max length of dvi cables?
3741 2011-05-17 21:46:24 <carldays> anyone wonna rent a mining server
3742 2011-05-17 21:46:25 <carldays> pm me
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3744 2011-05-17 21:46:30 <ArtForzZz> jrmithdobbs: 5m iirc
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3746 2011-05-17 21:46:45 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZz: looks like you're right
3747 2011-05-17 21:47:07 <ArtForzZz> usually 10m+ works fine if you don't push really high pixel clocks
3748 2011-05-17 21:47:12 <akusama> jrmithdobbs: I think it depends on the resolution you are running...
3749 2011-05-17 21:47:19 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: i think its one goggle :P
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3751 2011-05-17 21:48:32 <ArtForzZz> really depends more on the quality of the transmitters, receivers and cable than the spec
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3753 2011-05-17 21:49:03 <jrmithdobbs> ya figured that, just wondered what the spec was
3754 2011-05-17 21:49:10 <jrmithdobbs> hdmi it is!
3755 2011-05-17 21:49:30 <ArtForzZz> which is... pretty much the same thing ;)
3756 2011-05-17 21:49:53 <ArtForzZz> except with crappier cables
3757 2011-05-17 21:50:13 <jrmithdobbs> ya but people sell them longer (I know the transmitter in this case should be capable of ~10m)
3758 2011-05-17 21:50:40 <jrmithdobbs> easier to manage connectors anyways
3759 2011-05-17 21:50:42 <ArtForzZz> iirc dvi specs TP for the differential refclock and data wire pairs, hdmi doesn't
3760 2011-05-17 21:51:10 <jrmithdobbs> dvi definitely does
3761 2011-05-17 21:51:16 <directhex> displayport, man! it's the future!
3762 2011-05-17 21:51:18 <carldays> anyone wonna buy a mining server
3763 2011-05-17 21:51:21 <ArtForzZz> which also kinda explains how hdmi cables can be so much thinner than single link dvi
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3767 2011-05-17 21:52:26 <jrmithdobbs> Category 1 and 2 cables can either meet the required parameter specifications for interpair skew, far-end crosstalk, attenuation and differential impedance, or they can meet the required nonequalized/equalized eye diagram requirements.[59] A cable of about 5 meters (16 ft.) can be manufactured to Category 1 specifications easily and inexpensively by using 28 AWG (0.081 mm²) conductors.[58] With better quality construction and materials, in
3768 2011-05-17 21:52:33 <jrmithdobbs> crazy
3769 2011-05-17 21:52:46 <jrmithdobbs> who came up with that spec where there's basically not a spec
3770 2011-05-17 21:52:49 <jrmithdobbs> haha
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3778 2011-05-17 21:57:22 <forrestv> what's the distinction between 'tx' and 'txn'?
3779 2011-05-17 21:57:40 <sipa> context? (i assume none)
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3782 2011-05-17 21:58:21 <forrestv> sipa, discussion of the p2p protocol
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3784 2011-05-17 22:03:42 <Kiba> hmm
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3787 2011-05-17 22:07:10 <hozer> so where did all the 5870's go on newegg ;)
3788 2011-05-17 22:07:33 <sipa> see #bitcoin-mining :p
3789 2011-05-17 22:08:46 <forrestv> also, why does it seem that all scripts start with either 'G0D' or 'H0E'
3790 2011-05-17 22:08:58 <sipa> ?
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3794 2011-05-17 22:09:51 <forrestv> 'tx_ins': [{'previous_output': {'index': 0, 'hash': ...}, 'sequence': 4294967295, 'script': 'G0D\x02 G^\x15;y\x9
3795 2011-05-17 22:10:05 <forrestv> 'tx_ins': [{'previous_output': {'index': 57, 'hash': ...}, 'sequence': 4294967295, 'script': 'H0E\x02!\x00\x97\x84\xc...
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3797 2011-05-17 22:10:31 <samfisher> bitcoin site down?
3798 2011-05-17 22:10:57 <samfisher> am i readable?
3799 2011-05-17 22:11:02 <sipa> yes
3800 2011-05-17 22:11:17 <samfisher> first q or 2nd?
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3802 2011-05-17 22:11:37 <sipa> you are readable
3803 2011-05-17 22:11:50 <samfisher> i can't access bitcoin.org
3804 2011-05-17 22:12:01 <sipa> works fine here
3805 2011-05-17 22:12:19 <samfisher> it might, but i cannot
3806 2011-05-17 22:12:24 <samfisher> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.bitcoin.org.
3807 2011-05-17 22:12:29 <samfisher> i think i am banned
3808 2011-05-17 22:12:42 <sipa> i doubt that
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3810 2011-05-17 22:12:57 <samfisher> by govt
3811 2011-05-17 22:13:03 <samfisher> or isp
3812 2011-05-17 22:13:08 <z310> ping it?
3813 2011-05-17 22:13:08 <sipa> i certainly oubt that
3814 2011-05-17 22:13:11 <sipa> +d
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3816 2011-05-17 22:13:32 <samfisher> no ping
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3821 2011-05-17 22:16:00 <lulzplzkthx> yes.
3822 2011-05-17 22:16:10 <lulzplzkthx> :P, bitcoin forums up for me.
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3825 2011-05-17 22:17:20 <z310> samfisher: weird.
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3827 2011-05-17 22:20:19 <dho> where are the forums?
3828 2011-05-17 22:20:42 <samfisher> z310: it's persisting for about 12 hrs
3829 2011-05-17 22:20:48 <dho> nvm, forum.bitcoin.org i assume
3830 2011-05-17 22:22:36 <z310> samfisher: ping 216.34.181.97
3831 2011-05-17 22:24:00 <samfisher> it works
3832 2011-05-17 22:24:34 <z310> ipconfig /flushdns
3833 2011-05-17 22:25:12 <samfisher> ok
3834 2011-05-17 22:25:26 <z310> http://bitcoin.org lol
3835 2011-05-17 22:25:35 <samfisher> i can access it now
3836 2011-05-17 22:25:36 <samfisher> thanks
3837 2011-05-17 22:25:45 <z310> dns error lol
3838 2011-05-17 22:26:04 <samfisher> well, i just blame my govt for that
3839 2011-05-17 22:26:12 <samfisher> blamed
3840 2011-05-17 22:26:22 <z310> well hate
3841 2011-05-17 22:26:25 <z310> hey*
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3843 2011-05-17 22:26:32 <z310> that's generally the case
3844 2011-05-17 22:29:42 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: around?
3845 2011-05-17 22:29:43 <diki> W00t i am still working on pushpool. That thing requires more reconfiguring tho
3846 2011-05-17 22:30:42 <diki> Although i have no idea what that forcehost thing does
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3849 2011-05-17 22:31:00 <diki> also, should the server be set to 127.0.0.1 or to some other address?
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3853 2011-05-17 22:32:19 <Lachesis> check out my new generation calculator?
3854 2011-05-17 22:32:22 <Lachesis> *.
3855 2011-05-17 22:32:22 <Lachesis> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
3856 2011-05-17 22:32:27 <Lachesis> anything i ought to add?
3857 2011-05-17 22:32:44 <carldays> anyone selling btc
3858 2011-05-17 22:33:17 <Lachesis> carldays, go over to #bitcoin-otc
3859 2011-05-17 22:34:07 <Nesetalis> very nice Lachesis
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3861 2011-05-17 22:34:23 <Lachesis> Nesetalis, ty
3862 2011-05-17 22:35:17 <m1k3yboi> Running bitcoin client on my macbook, block count is running at 115815, seems really slow updating, any idea how i can find the current (live) blockcount?
3863 2011-05-17 22:35:29 <ArtForzZz> ;;bc,blocks
3864 2011-05-17 22:35:29 <gribble> 124699
3865 2011-05-17 22:36:38 <m1k3yboi> Thz gribble, not far to go then, it's taken ages, mind, i aint got the fastest internet connection!:-)
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3875 2011-05-17 22:48:19 <diki> ;;bc,stats
3876 2011-05-17 22:48:22 <gribble> Current Blocks: 124702 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 289 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 54 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 234346.32746146
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3888 2011-05-17 23:01:16 <diki> So...i have sqlite3, i create my table, but how do i move my databases to /tmp/data.sqlite?
3889 2011-05-17 23:01:20 <diki> jgarzik/
3890 2011-05-17 23:01:23 <diki> *?
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3893 2011-05-17 23:03:58 <QuantumG> is there a building guide?
3894 2011-05-17 23:04:24 <diki> nope
3895 2011-05-17 23:04:26 <BlueMatt> QuantumG: doc/build-os.txt
3896 2011-05-17 23:04:45 <QuantumG> cool, thanks
3897 2011-05-17 23:05:34 <diki> So bluemat have you ever tested pushpool?
3898 2011-05-17 23:05:41 <diki> i mean actually configuring it?
3899 2011-05-17 23:05:50 <BlueMatt> no, Ive never bothered to look at it
3900 2011-05-17 23:06:10 <diki> Do you have an idea how to make and move my sqlite3 database?
3901 2011-05-17 23:06:27 <forrestv> how is hashing for the merkle tree handled at the end of a row when there's an odd number of hashes?
3902 2011-05-17 23:07:03 <forrestv> the odd hash at the end, how is it processed? i mean
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3904 2011-05-17 23:07:34 <phantomcircuit> forrestv, block1,block2,block3 sha256(sha256(block1+block2)+block3)
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3906 2011-05-17 23:08:49 <forrestv> phantomcircuit, i tried that - http://gitorious.org/pycoin/pycoin/blobs/master/protocol.py and the bitcoin source indicate that it would be sha(sha(a+b)+sha(c))
3907 2011-05-17 23:09:07 <forrestv> which i tried too - neither work
3908 2011-05-17 23:09:26 <jgarzik> diki: come on, dude. you cannot expect us to teach you the basics of moving files and creating sqlite databases. You need this knowledge in order to use the software.
3909 2011-05-17 23:09:43 <diki> dude i know how to make databases..prolly more than you do
3910 2011-05-17 23:09:52 <jgarzik> heh
3911 2011-05-17 23:09:55 <diki> However i have no idea where teh file is stored
3912 2011-05-17 23:10:03 <diki> in linux of course
3913 2011-05-17 23:10:16 <jgarzik> it is stored -precisely where you tell it to be stored-
3914 2011-05-17 23:10:40 <diki> no it's not...i type sqlite3 in the terminal and it expects me to start creating tables/editing
3915 2011-05-17 23:10:44 <diki> which i do
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3917 2011-05-17 23:11:00 <diki> create table blah....(column(type)
3918 2011-05-17 23:11:07 <diki> after that...nothing
3919 2011-05-17 23:11:20 <diki> Hell i'll even offer one bitcoin for someone to tell me this
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3921 2011-05-17 23:11:39 <diki> *to tell me how to configure the whole pushpool not just the sqlite db
3922 2011-05-17 23:11:45 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: hey you are around...for 0.3.22, is it wise to attempt to roll our own wx 2.9 (2.9.1+various commits which would need researched) with support for gtk3/ubuntu 11.04/etc or use wx 2.9.1 leaving those people out? Or lock in a wx-trunk and chose svn version as bitcoin-base?
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3924 2011-05-17 23:12:18 <jgarzik> diki: man sqlite3
3925 2011-05-17 23:12:44 <forrestv> phantomcircuit, for future reference, it's a, b, c -> sha(sha(a+b)+sha(c+c))
3926 2011-05-17 23:12:47 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: not sure what you mean by "roll our own"
3927 2011-05-17 23:12:51 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: honestly the req of 2.9 breaks both older AND newer distros so i don't see benefit of either
3928 2011-05-17 23:12:53 <forrestv> how completely unobvious!
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3930 2011-05-17 23:12:58 <diki> i've already manned sqlite3
3931 2011-05-17 23:13:14 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ie take 2.9.1 and add the commits required for gtk3
3932 2011-05-17 23:13:16 <jrmithdobbs> diki: your answer is on the first content line of the manpage, i don't really know what to tell you
3933 2011-05-17 23:13:16 <mtrlt_> umm if i send this through JSON to a pool, the pool should reply with work, right? {"jsonrpc":"2.0", "method": "getwork"} it works with a local bitcoind but doesn't work for slush's pool. slush replies with {"result": true, "id": "1", "error": null}
3934 2011-05-17 23:13:26 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: well tell that to satoshi...
3935 2011-05-17 23:13:30 <mtrlt_> i mean it replies with "result": false..
3936 2011-05-17 23:13:53 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: that doesn't un-confuse me :) are you suggesting (a) a doc change, (b) shipping wx source code _inside_ bitcoin tarball, or something else?
3937 2011-05-17 23:14:02 <diki> Then can you at least tell me if the question mark i SELECT password FROM pool_worker WHERE username = ? is a variable?
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3939 2011-05-17 23:14:10 <diki> and what forcedhost does
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3941 2011-05-17 23:14:33 <jgarzik> diki: if you know databases, you should know what the question mark means
3942 2011-05-17 23:14:47 <jgarzik> diki: forcehost forces the internal hostname to X, rather than using the OS gives you
3943 2011-05-17 23:15:00 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: I mean the wx with which bitcoin is static-linked. Which version should be used? support for gtk3 means either wx2.9.1 + commits or wx-trunk. Otherwise we can just use 2.9.1 and leave ubuntu11.04 and some other distros out
3944 2011-05-17 23:15:15 <jgarzik> EDINNER
3945 2011-05-17 23:15:17 <diki> i do know the WHETE clauses needs column = 'value'
3946 2011-05-17 23:15:17 <jgarzik> er
3947 2011-05-17 23:15:20 <jgarzik> SIGDINNER
3948 2011-05-17 23:15:22 <diki> *WHERE
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3950 2011-05-17 23:16:13 <diki> which would mean WHERE username = myworkername
3951 2011-05-17 23:16:32 <diki> However doesnt that need to be dynamic...i.e the value from the miner?
3952 2011-05-17 23:16:46 <jlewis> sipa: would you prefer that i remove the .d commit? you can also just pull everything but that part
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3954 2011-05-17 23:18:09 <roconnor_> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/c43345385746e629183572306a85f176b169b23de5f045ba41edcb36c7c971cd
3955 2011-05-17 23:18:20 <roconnor_> This block has fees = -0.2
3956 2011-05-17 23:18:37 <luke-jr> nice
3957 2011-05-17 23:18:52 <luke-jr> oh
3958 2011-05-17 23:18:52 <BlueMatt> huh?
3959 2011-05-17 23:18:55 <luke-jr> no, that isn't a block
3960 2011-05-17 23:18:57 <luke-jr> it's a txn
3961 2011-05-17 23:19:05 <roconnor_> oh
3962 2011-05-17 23:19:06 <BlueMatt> oh, its a generation txn
3963 2011-05-17 23:19:22 <luke-jr> I wonder, if a miner wanted to, could they allow a txn with negative fee?
3964 2011-05-17 23:19:24 <roconnor_> ah
3965 2011-05-17 23:19:26 <roconnor_> sorry
3966 2011-05-17 23:19:28 <luke-jr> ie, give up part of the reward
3967 2011-05-17 23:19:31 <diki> When i get the pool to work, i've already got the perfect theme for it
3968 2011-05-17 23:19:42 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yes
3969 2011-05-17 23:19:45 <diki> I plan to add quite the ajax features
3970 2011-05-17 23:20:00 <BlueMatt> they can accept 0 instead of 50, and as the reward is just lumped in there anyway, id assume so
3971 2011-05-17 23:20:29 <BlueMatt> I want to generate a block with 49.99 just to mess with people who keep track of the total btc in existence
3972 2011-05-17 23:20:30 <midnightmagic> all of this speculation should be captured in a test suite. :(
3973 2011-05-17 23:20:53 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: I thought of that in January but realised i might kick myself in 20 years. :)
3974 2011-05-17 23:21:03 <BlueMatt> .01 BTC?
3975 2011-05-17 23:21:12 <midnightmagic> no, generating less than 50 ฿.
3976 2011-05-17 23:21:16 <jrmithdobbs> negative fees are retarded, haha
3977 2011-05-17 23:21:26 <BlueMatt> yea, just do like 49.999999
3978 2011-05-17 23:21:43 <BlueMatt> just so all the smart-asses would have to make sure to subtract a satoshi from the total generated
3979 2011-05-17 23:21:59 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: lol
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3982 2011-05-17 23:22:45 <forrestv> i'm surprised that hasn't been done
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3984 2011-05-17 23:24:18 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: the check itself is: if (vtx[0].GetValueOut() > GetBlockValue(pindex->nHeight, nFees)) return false;
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3986 2011-05-17 23:24:43 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: so, want to generate 50-satoshi on a block?
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3988 2011-05-17 23:24:49 <BlueMatt> (Ill send you a satoshi)
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3990 2011-05-17 23:25:05 <midnightmagic> not necessary, and yes, I would do it in an instant just to be That Guy.
3991 2011-05-17 23:25:28 <BlueMatt> ArtForzZz: Ill send you .01 BTC if you become That Guy
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3994 2011-05-17 23:27:18 <diki> and stmt.pwdb stands for?
3995 2011-05-17 23:27:34 <diki> pwdb obviously stands for password database...but
3996 2011-05-17 23:27:48 <diki> stmt?
3997 2011-05-17 23:29:57 <diki> cool, found that little sucker of a db file
3998 2011-05-17 23:29:57 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: I'm building a patched bitcoind now.. MUAAAHAHAHA
3999 2011-05-17 23:30:49 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
4000 2011-05-17 23:30:52 <gribble> Current Blocks: 124715 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 276 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 36 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 235199.04425955
4001 2011-05-17 23:32:22 <BlueMatt> and...its...done: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/6d6052ea81e52c26b4d99dcc83f6e129eb50a9a1
4002 2011-05-17 23:32:34 <BlueMatt> pull request-ready wallet private key encryption :)
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4004 2011-05-17 23:32:54 <BlueMatt> only 1430 lines in the end
4005 2011-05-17 23:33:16 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/232
4006 2011-05-17 23:33:43 <hozer> is this your 'I am that guy' patch?
4007 2011-05-17 23:33:52 <BlueMatt> no...
4008 2011-05-17 23:34:00 <BlueMatt> Im am that guy patch should be like 2 lines
4009 2011-05-17 23:34:10 <BlueMatt> this is my wallet private key encryption patch :)
4010 2011-05-17 23:34:14 <hozer> heheh, I was all ready to download and run it
4011 2011-05-17 23:34:33 <BlueMatt> you think I can code 1400 lines in like 20 minutes?
4012 2011-05-17 23:34:39 <BlueMatt> Im flattered, but no
4013 2011-05-17 23:34:45 <hozer> it did seem a little strange ;)
4014 2011-05-17 23:34:54 <BlueMatt> that considering I hardly know C++
4015 2011-05-17 23:35:05 <hozer> I had someone trying to get me to trade BTC for hosting or PPusd.
4016 2011-05-17 23:35:47 <jrmithdobbs> that guy is annoying
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4020 2011-05-17 23:35:58 <hozer> it was really quite irritating, as they kept saying "did you send it NOW"
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4022 2011-05-17 23:36:21 <jrmithdobbs> will the current code process negative txns?
4023 2011-05-17 23:36:27 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: testing it on testnet now.. thanks for giving me the motivation to do it.
4024 2011-05-17 23:36:28 <jrmithdobbs> because that's evil
4025 2011-05-17 23:36:32 <jrmithdobbs> err negative fee txns
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4028 2011-05-17 23:36:41 <hozer> why is that evil?
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4030 2011-05-17 23:36:54 <BlueMatt> nevative fee would mean txout > txin that is illegal
4031 2011-05-17 23:37:09 <BlueMatt> wont be forwarded or accepted to mempool
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4033 2011-05-17 23:37:56 <luke-jr> illegal, or just not accepted?
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4035 2011-05-17 23:39:25 <jrmithdobbs> hozer: someone just mentioned seeing a -0.02 txn fee so was curious
4036 2011-05-17 23:39:32 <jrmithdobbs> hozer: it's evil for pretty obvious reasons
4037 2011-05-17 23:39:37 <diki> what is supposed to be written on RPC settings in teh config file?
4038 2011-05-17 23:39:46 <BlueMatt> I dont think the block would be accepted, but that Im not sure of
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4041 2011-05-17 23:43:39 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: are you on testnet?
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4043 2011-05-17 23:44:21 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: not atm, did you get a block?
4044 2011-05-17 23:44:21 <noagendamarket> http://evilpacket.net/2011/may/17/stealing-bitcoins/ ping:MagicalTux
4045 2011-05-17 23:44:35 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: yeah, I was hoping you could tell me if it was accepted by your client..
4046 2011-05-17 23:44:45 <BlueMatt> its on blockexplorer :)
4047 2011-05-17 23:45:04 <BlueMatt> oo, you found a blockexplorer display bug as well
4048 2011-05-17 23:45:07 <BlueMatt> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/0000000001a4872d8580fd6bcc8fe8272e15b0fc269bf20ef4ecbeceb21e507c
4049 2011-05-17 23:45:15 <BlueMatt> "Generation: 50 + 0.00000001 total fees"
4050 2011-05-17 23:45:19 <BlueMatt> there were no fees
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4052 2011-05-17 23:46:45 <nanotube> BlueMatt: jsut a bug in blockexplorer i guess. :) the coinbase got 49.9999999
4053 2011-05-17 23:46:56 <MagicalTux> noagendamarket: already fixed
4054 2011-05-17 23:47:11 <BlueMatt> yea, it says to got 49.999... and total btc in the block was 49.9999
4055 2011-05-17 23:47:16 <nanotube> ;;later tell theymos bug in blockexplorer due to undersized coinbase tx? there are no fees: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/0000000001a4872d8580fd6bcc8fe8272e15b0fc269bf20ef4ecbeceb21e507c
4056 2011-05-17 23:47:17 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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4058 2011-05-17 23:49:18 <diki> jgarzik, how is the password for the user defined?
4059 2011-05-17 23:49:26 <diki> dots, ats?
4060 2011-05-17 23:49:35 <midnightmagic> sweet.
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4062 2011-05-17 23:49:50 <BlueMatt> why are the respect counters back? it seems like the counters just keep coming back, even if the voters dont
4063 2011-05-17 23:49:50 <midnightmagic> switching to "funnymode" on main-net
4064 2011-05-17 23:50:02 <BlueMatt> lol, if you get a block...
4065 2011-05-17 23:50:16 <midnightmagic> should be about a half a day away..
4066 2011-05-17 23:52:12 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
4067 2011-05-17 23:52:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 47473705.1785 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 3 hours, 57 minutes, and 22 seconds
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4071 2011-05-17 23:53:32 <jgarzik> jlewis: yes, remove the .d
4072 2011-05-17 23:54:15 <jgarzik> diki: insert a record in the database
4073 2011-05-17 23:54:57 <diki> so far i created a test table with username varchar(120) and password with varchar 50
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4076 2011-05-17 23:56:31 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: any opinion on wx library version to use to link bitcoin?
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4078 2011-05-17 23:57:26 <diki> Wait, i forgot to add an id field and make it A_I
4079 2011-05-17 23:58:45 <diki> i get json_rpc_call failed on your miner jgarzik
4080 2011-05-17 23:59:04 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: nope
4081 2011-05-17 23:59:12 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: whatever it takes to get a build :)
4082 2011-05-17 23:59:20 <BlueMatt> well now thats no fun...
4083 2011-05-17 23:59:39 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I think shipping Linux binaries are supremely pointless, and hope to talk Gavin into dropping them altogether
4084 2011-05-17 23:59:39 <plato_> hey
4085 2011-05-17 23:59:42 <BlueMatt> alright, a shitton of research and an attempt at finding the exact commit(s) which fix the issue it is
4086 2011-05-17 23:59:48 <plato_> is http://bitcoin.org self signed
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4088 2011-05-17 23:59:54 <BlueMatt> well we need autotools for that first
4089 2011-05-17 23:59:58 <plato_> *https