1 2011-05-23 00:00:11 <BlueMatt> sipa: frankly its just a poc
   2 2011-05-23 00:00:21 <sipa> BlueMatt: but the deb links to a particular version, which probably exists at the time the deb file is built
   3 2011-05-23 00:00:26 <sipa> poc?
   4 2011-05-23 00:00:32 <BlueMatt> proof of concept
   5 2011-05-23 00:00:39 <sipa> ok, sure
   6 2011-05-23 00:00:53 <BlueMatt> the place gitian will really be used for updating is win32 (as we have to do our own updating stuff there anyway)
   7 2011-05-23 00:01:01 <sipa> indeed
   8 2011-05-23 00:01:09 <sipa> that will be a major improvement
   9 2011-05-23 00:01:44 <BlueMatt> also, for debs, I can unilaterally update a ppa to push binary bitcoin with a trojan in it...with gitian doing the actual work I cant (well sort of)
  10 2011-05-23 00:01:56 <BlueMatt> I could just push a virus on top of the gitian downloader but...
  11 2011-05-23 00:02:04 <sipa> it's more easily verified
  12 2011-05-23 00:02:34 <BlueMatt> as a side note, I very much want to see an "official" bitcoin ppa
  13 2011-05-23 00:03:46 <sipa> would a wx-bitcoin ppa be possible?
  14 2011-05-23 00:03:51 <BlueMatt> who the fuck is Melvin Arvalho?
  15 2011-05-23 00:03:56 <BlueMatt> yea of course
  16 2011-05-23 00:04:03 <BlueMatt> someone has one (though its like 0.3.19 or something)
  17 2011-05-23 00:04:19 <sipa> oh, i thought it was only bitcoind
  18 2011-05-23 00:04:39 <BlueMatt> joy someone has the project "Bitcoin" registered on launchpad with no public email
  19 2011-05-23 00:04:45 <BlueMatt> who is Melvin Carvalho?
  20 2011-05-23 00:05:03 <BlueMatt> oh idiot, no public email but its in his gpg key which is public :)
  21 2011-05-23 00:05:36 <sipa> indeed
  22 2011-05-23 00:05:47 <jgarzik> luke-jr: what are you seeing?
  23 2011-05-23 00:05:54 <BlueMatt> wow this is an odd group of people, looks like he just accepted everyone to the group
  24 2011-05-23 00:06:00 <BlueMatt> jaromil: ping
  25 2011-05-23 00:06:03 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I was thinking about ditching libevent's http engine, and putting db ops into a separate thread.
  26 2011-05-23 00:06:08 <BlueMatt> cdecker: ping
  27 2011-05-23 00:06:10 <jgarzik> luke-jr: but knowing specific symptoms would help
  28 2011-05-23 00:06:54 <BlueMatt> oh he has it on automatic approval...hm, Id like to use that for ppas
  29 2011-05-23 00:07:11 <BlueMatt> ;;seen cdecker
  30 2011-05-23 00:07:11 <gribble> cdecker was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 46 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <cdecker> ;;bc,gen 343000
  31 2011-05-23 00:07:15 <BlueMatt> arg
  32 2011-05-23 00:08:27 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: what do you think about official bitcoin ppa for ubuntu/debian users?
  33 2011-05-23 00:08:40 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ppa?
  34 2011-05-23 00:08:41 <BlueMatt> so we can slowly move off the binary releases
  35 2011-05-23 00:08:49 <BlueMatt> personal package archive ie apt repo
  36 2011-05-23 00:09:20 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: seeing as how the linux binaries have always been OS-specific, that makes a lot of sense
  37 2011-05-23 00:09:51 <luke-jr> jgarzik: complete resource exhaustion
  38 2011-05-23 00:09:59 <luke-jr> in terms of sockets
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  40 2011-05-23 00:10:22 <jgarzik> luke-jr: sounds like an unresolved leak
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  45 2011-05-23 00:11:16 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, mainline is vulnerable to a similar issue
  46 2011-05-23 00:11:24 <phantomcircuit> i decided not to crash the network
  47 2011-05-23 00:11:47 <erbs> an exchange that delivers the btc when you close your trading position would need to register under the cftc.. any individual tx over $10K would need to be reported under CFTA and SAR tx... register as a money services businees with the treasury if over $1K in stored value is being held...   each customer with an acct needs to be identified at account opening under the patriot act kyc (and
  48 2011-05-23 00:11:47 <erbs> most other countries)... to do business in each state you need to reg as a moeny transmittal biz and a currency exchanger...
  49 2011-05-23 00:12:12 <erbs> SEC regulates bitcoin exchanges because they regulate "Cash and cash equivalents (including foreign currencies) held for investment purposes"
  50 2011-05-23 00:12:33 <phantomcircuit> bitcoin isn't a cash equivalent ...
  51 2011-05-23 00:12:49 <erbs> its a currency
  52 2011-05-23 00:12:55 <erbs> it is cash
  53 2011-05-23 00:12:56 <luke-jr> not under US law
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  55 2011-05-23 00:13:13 <phantomcircuit> it's definitely not currency
  56 2011-05-23 00:13:22 <BlueMatt> sipa: would you mind registering for an account at launchpad.net?
  57 2011-05-23 00:13:37 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I'm not sure how putting db ops into another thread would help when it's all local
  58 2011-05-23 00:13:43 <erbs> it is a currency under any definition
  59 2011-05-23 00:13:49 <luke-jr> not under US law
  60 2011-05-23 00:14:04 <erbs> yes under US law
  61 2011-05-23 00:14:13 <phantomcircuit> lol
  62 2011-05-23 00:14:14 <luke-jr> erbs: US govt says otherwise
  63 2011-05-23 00:14:17 <erbs> do you know what a cash equivalent is
  64 2011-05-23 00:14:29 <phantomcircuit> <erbs> I AM LAWYER HEAR ME ROAR
  65 2011-05-23 00:14:37 <erbs> its any highly liquid investment that can be easily converted into cash
  66 2011-05-23 00:14:55 <jrmithdobbs> you're still on about this?
  67 2011-05-23 00:14:56 <erbs> its either cash outright (by being a currency) or a cash equivalent (when traded on mtgox or another exchange)
  68 2011-05-23 00:15:07 <phantomcircuit> erbs, so stocks are cash equivalent ? yeah i dont think so
  69 2011-05-23 00:15:17 <erbs> stocks are already defined as securities
  70 2011-05-23 00:15:28 <phantomcircuit> that's not the point
  71 2011-05-23 00:15:30 <erbs> they are equity shares, a completely different animal
  72 2011-05-23 00:15:39 <erbs> they cnvey rights - bitcoins do not convey rights
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  74 2011-05-23 00:16:23 <phantomcircuit> erbs, sure but they're highly liquid and readily convertable to cash
  75 2011-05-23 00:16:29 <phantomcircuit> which is the definition you used
  76 2011-05-23 00:17:04 <phantomcircuit> also
  77 2011-05-23 00:17:19 <phantomcircuit> lol mtgox has a high water mark for showing asks
  78 2011-05-23 00:17:28 <phantomcircuit> my ask @ 10k usd doesn't show up
  79 2011-05-23 00:17:29 <phantomcircuit> lame
  80 2011-05-23 00:17:34 <erbs> the treatment of stocks is pre-empted by the rules on equity shares, but it could also be discussed as a cash equivalent
  81 2011-05-23 00:18:06 <erbs> The Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) defines cash equivalents as highly liquid securities with maturities of less than three months. Liquid securities typically are those that can be sold easily with little or no loss of value.
  82 2011-05-23 00:18:09 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
  83 2011-05-23 00:18:09 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.7594,"low":5.99,"vol":23866,"buy":6.69,"sell":6.75,"last":6.69}}
  84 2011-05-23 00:18:24 <BlueMatt> alright, Im gonna push hard and see if I can get the "bitcoin" ppa on launchpad for us for 0.3.22 :)
  85 2011-05-23 00:18:27 <erbs> but why even bother with cash equiv.. it's cash
  86 2011-05-23 00:18:34 <BlueMatt> get some releases that are more like what people expect
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  88 2011-05-23 00:19:00 <AntiVigilante> is wxwidgets 29 for debian coming yet?
  89 2011-05-23 00:19:03 <phantomcircuit> erbs, FASB isn't a legal body, lrn2accounting
  90 2011-05-23 00:19:08 <BlueMatt> AntiVigilante: not a chance
  91 2011-05-23 00:19:19 <BlueMatt> its a "developement release" hence it will never be packaged
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  93 2011-05-23 00:19:43 <BlueMatt> except, _matbe_, in unstable, but I dont think thats how debian would do it
  94 2011-05-23 00:19:46 <lfm> wxwidgets 30 then?
  95 2011-05-23 00:19:48 <erbs> phantomcircuit: thats the meaning the SEC uses
  96 2011-05-23 00:19:54 <AntiVigilante> so how can I get the gui?
  97 2011-05-23 00:20:02 <BlueMatt> lfm: maybe
  98 2011-05-23 00:20:14 <lfm> AntiVigilante: just download the bins from bitcoin.org
  99 2011-05-23 00:20:16 <BlueMatt> AntiVigilante: static linked or our own wx2.9 ppa
 100 2011-05-23 00:20:16 <phantomcircuit> erbs, so then quite the us code that defines a cash equivalent
 101 2011-05-23 00:20:33 <AntiVigilante> amd64
 102 2011-05-23 00:20:41 <lfm> AntiVigilante: just download the bins from bitcoin.org
 103 2011-05-23 00:20:54 <AntiVigilante> ok let
 104 2011-05-23 00:20:56 <BlueMatt> (if you are on 11.04 you need 0.3.22 rc
 105 2011-05-23 00:21:05 <AntiVigilante> me see if that works
 106 2011-05-23 00:21:11 <AntiVigilante> um I'm on debian
 107 2011-05-23 00:22:01 <lfm> AntiVigilante: did you look in the bin dir?
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 109 2011-05-23 00:23:49 <jgarzik> luke-jr: db still must wait for disk to fsync, before agreeing that transaction is committed. standard transaction semantics.
 110 2011-05-23 00:24:13 <jgarzik> luke-jr: that does not sound like your problem, mind you
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 113 2011-05-23 00:24:27 <jgarzik> luke-jr: probably LP requests are leaking and not getting closed
 114 2011-05-23 00:24:41 <lfm> could fake symc to speed it up
 115 2011-05-23 00:24:48 <lfm> sync
 116 2011-05-23 00:24:50 <Astrohacker> hey guys, has there ever been a discussion about the threat of having the software auto-update?
 117 2011-05-23 00:24:57 <erbs> heh
 118 2011-05-23 00:25:01 <jgarzik> Astrohacker: yes
 119 2011-05-23 00:25:10 <lfm> Astrohacker: ya, thats why it doesnt
 120 2011-05-23 00:25:14 <Astrohacker> ok just checking. i assumed people had though tof that before.
 121 2011-05-23 00:25:21 <erbs> phantomcircuit: they don't define cash because its a term of art. anything that would go under the "Cash" section of a balance sheet is cash.. and cash held for investment purposes is regulated by the SEC
 122 2011-05-23 00:25:38 <BlueMatt> doesnt mean bitcoin shouldnt
 123 2011-05-23 00:25:42 <BlueMatt> just needs trust
 124 2011-05-23 00:25:53 <BlueMatt> on win32 that means gitian to make sure bitcoin is signed by x/y devs
 125 2011-05-23 00:26:01 <lfm> and we dont trust you Bluematt
 126 2011-05-23 00:26:03 <BlueMatt> on linux that means through standard pkg mgr
 127 2011-05-23 00:26:24 <BlueMatt> lfm: ok, but you do trust me+sipa+other even if you dont trust me alone
 128 2011-05-23 00:26:47 <lfm> um, not sure about that either
 129 2011-05-23 00:26:57 <BlueMatt> then why the hell are you using bitcoin?
 130 2011-05-23 00:27:04 <BlueMatt> did you review the entire source?
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 132 2011-05-23 00:27:12 <erbs> however, the SEC limits its oversight over cash held for investment purposes to bank deposits, CDs, insurance policies, etc... they dont mention stored value accounts, so not-being-a-bank might mean a bitcoin account held for investment purposes isnt regulated under that provision
 133 2011-05-23 00:27:24 <lfm> I reveiw the source each time I update! (you beleive me right?)
 134 2011-05-23 00:27:25 <erbs> the other alternative is if they consider bitcoins an equity (one of 21 million shares)
 135 2011-05-23 00:27:55 <BlueMatt> lfm: lol...either way gitian means no one person can unilaterally update everyone, in fact we can set it to take 4 or 5 devs
 136 2011-05-23 00:28:11 <jrmithdobbs> where's the wiki article on the origin block
 137 2011-05-23 00:28:16 <jrmithdobbs> cannot find it for some reason
 138 2011-05-23 00:28:52 <lfm> jrmithdobbs: maybe not writ yet
 139 2011-05-23 00:29:40 <BlueMatt> no it should be under ,,(bc,wiki Genisis block)
 140 2011-05-23 00:29:40 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block | Mar 4, 2011 ... A genesis block is the first block of a block chain. Modern versions of Bitcoin assign it block number 0, though older versions gave it ...
 141 2011-05-23 00:30:01 <tasha2> erg.. I'm having trouble with jsonRPCclient.php ...    let's say I have  $this->client   set as the jsonRPCclient.....  $this->client->getinfo()  works fine.   but what is proper way to do commands with 3 args?
 142 2011-05-23 00:30:29 <tasha2> like:  listreceivedbyaccount [minconf=1] [includeempty=false]
 143 2011-05-23 00:31:09 <tasha2> $this->client->listreceivedbyaccount(1,false)   ?
 144 2011-05-23 00:31:26 <tasha2> and $this->client->listreceivedbyaccount(0,true)   ?
 145 2011-05-23 00:33:19 <tasha2> i'm seeing some code like...   ..->listtransactions("*",-1)
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 148 2011-05-23 00:34:06 <lfm> tasha2: ya, looks ok t me
 149 2011-05-23 00:34:37 <tasha2> well, I got a few working... like  client->help($command)
 150 2011-05-23 00:35:11 <erbs> the main thing for exchanges and payment providers need to worry about is:  a) due diligence for KYC under bank secrecy act (it varies, and isn't as stringent as regulated banks, but still applies - more so to non-banks in the EU)  b) register with the cftc if your exchange is options-based (traders receive btc/usd when they close their position on the market)  c) selling over $1K to a
 151 2011-05-23 00:35:11 <erbs> user is selling stored value instruments like a prepaid card, register with the treasury  d) state registrations for money transmittal and currency exchange
 152 2011-05-23 00:35:14 <tasha2> but  listtransactions [account] [count=10]   is not working to get a higher count
 153 2011-05-23 00:35:31 <tasha2> ->client->listtransactions('','100');   ?
 154 2011-05-23 00:35:56 <erbs> i think theres legal wiggle room if the user already has a bitcoin account before you give him the bitcoins (then you are not creating a stored value instrument, you are just depositing it to his)
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 156 2011-05-23 00:36:15 <lfm> tasha2: count is minimum isnt it?
 157 2011-05-23 00:36:41 <erbs> the state regs are pretty onerous compared to the federal ones.. but its hard for states to enforce it on a foreign corp
 158 2011-05-23 00:37:00 <dissipate> erbs, worried about legal troubles with bitcoin?
 159 2011-05-23 00:37:07 <erbs> no..
 160 2011-05-23 00:37:19 <tasha2> ->client->listtransactions();   seems to show all accounts, last 10 only
 161 2011-05-23 00:37:20 <lfm> pretty hard for anyone to enforce regs on a foreign corp
 162 2011-05-23 00:37:51 <erbs> exchanges should make it clear they are not selling options (by requiring users to register with their own btc address and immediately withdrawing/depositing coins from their address whenever they buy or sell)
 163 2011-05-23 00:37:58 <lfm> tasha2: count is the count of confirmations isnt it?
 164 2011-05-23 00:38:31 <tasha2> no
 165 2011-05-23 00:38:32 <tasha2> 	listtransactions [account] [count=10] 		Returns up to [count] most recent transactions for account [account]
 166 2011-05-23 00:38:48 <erbs> then if they report any suspicious transactions under KYC and ask for some identification (level of verificaiton varies in each jurisdiction) they should be fine
 167 2011-05-23 00:38:48 <lfm> oh
 168 2011-05-23 00:39:50 <erbs> once you have ricardian contracts with OT or in the protocol with scripts theres no longer any single exchange they can go after
 169 2011-05-23 00:41:01 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: thanks, was searching for origin and instead of genesis, heh
 170 2011-05-23 00:41:23 <lfm> MagicalTux: you know that block where you only took 49.99999999 instead of 50 btc?
 171 2011-05-23 00:41:38 <lfm> MagicalTux: you passed up some fees too
 172 2011-05-23 00:41:50 <Namegduf> erbs: You can't withdraw.
 173 2011-05-23 00:42:02 <Namegduf> erbs: Requiring the user send adds a new fraud opportunity.
 174 2011-05-23 00:42:14 <Namegduf> And would make the automatic exchanges terribly slow
 175 2011-05-23 00:43:20 <erbs> its all a gray area since bitcoin doesn't fit the definition precisely of existing instruments.. so the govt can interpret is as a currency (cash), or an equity (one share out of 21 million - seems an unlikely interpretation since each "share" conveys no rights or property), or as a good (like an mp3 or baseball card - unlikely when its billed as a currency)
 176 2011-05-23 00:45:14 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 177 2011-05-23 00:45:14 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.78,"low":5.99,"vol":23762,"buy":6.69,"sell":6.75,"last":6.78}}
 178 2011-05-23 00:46:09 <erbs> mtgox should at the very least create a bitcoin account for you that represents your trading account and deposit/withdraw from there when you buy or sell.. that way its not an option
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 180 2011-05-23 00:46:33 <devrandom> BlueMatt - sounds good
 181 2011-05-23 00:48:24 <BlueMatt> devrandom: in case you are curious: https://launchpad.net/~bluematt
 182 2011-05-23 00:48:33 <BlueMatt> bitcoin downloader and gitian-builder/downloader
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 184 2011-05-23 00:48:57 <BlueMatt> just a poc as that wont be official and I wanted to learn how to do basic packaging first
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 186 2011-05-23 00:49:07 <erbs> the legal issues really are minimal on the federal level.. as long as it doesn't become 90% drugtrafficking/money laundering they wont crack down on it hopefully
 187 2011-05-23 00:49:39 <erbs> if your not an exchange, you have less federal regs than paypal.. not hard to do
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 189 2011-05-23 00:49:58 <erbs> paypal is barely under KYC in the US.. they have sme very minimal information they have to request
 190 2011-05-23 00:50:08 <BlueMatt> devrandom: but it proves it works...I might spend some time looking at win32 stuff, but that isnt due to be packaged for bitcoin till 0.4.0 with autotools so...
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 193 2011-05-23 00:51:14 <BlueMatt> anyway, Im off...hopefully I can see what is up with launchpad bitcoin ppa and get that for bitcoin official releases tomorrow
 194 2011-05-23 00:51:17 <devrandom> I think I'm going to move the pgp keys out of the config and into the distribution zip file
 195 2011-05-23 00:51:38 <BlueMatt> probably smart
 196 2011-05-23 00:51:38 <devrandom> I'm poking around the bitcoin ppa now
 197 2011-05-23 00:51:53 <BlueMatt> its just a really simple download script...
 198 2011-05-23 00:51:56 <BlueMatt> works though
 199 2011-05-23 00:52:04 <devrandom> it says "currently building" on your ppa
 200 2011-05-23 00:52:24 <BlueMatt> yea you cant upload binaries, launchpad itself "builds" it
 201 2011-05-23 00:52:33 <BlueMatt> even though its not building, just taring and such
 202 2011-05-23 00:53:04 <devrandom> I see
 203 2011-05-23 00:53:29 <BlueMatt> anyway...ttyl
 204 2011-05-23 00:53:47 <BlueMatt> download script seems to work perfectly, well done
 205 2011-05-23 00:53:58 <devrandom> ttul, and thanks :)
 206 2011-05-23 00:57:01 <erbs> http://www.quora.com/Is-Bitcoin-legal/answer/Corey-Recvlohe  this is a good roundup of bitcoin legal context.. but it doesn't address things like exchanges (cftc when dealing with options) or payment providers (minimum bank secrecy act due diligence) or state registrations for transmittal and currency exchnage
 207 2011-05-23 00:57:46 <erbs> in p2p usage, theres really no legal issue
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 220 2011-05-23 01:05:59 * AntiVigilante is disappoint @ all the pussies worried about the legality of bitcoin - was CONTINENTAL SCRIP legal?
 221 2011-05-23 01:06:21 <jrmithdobbs> tbqh attitudes like that are counterproductive
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 223 2011-05-23 01:06:35 <erbs> exchangers should probably avoid buying / selling in fractional USD amounts below $1  (even thugh the stamp payments act is laregely defunct, it makes sense to avoid the sub-$1 threshold)
 224 2011-05-23 01:07:22 <erbs> so round up / down USD<->BTC transactions to the nearest dollar
 225 2011-05-23 01:07:32 <lfm> erbs that will dissapoint luke-jr
 226 2011-05-23 01:08:09 <AntiVigilante> erbs and perpetuate the OMG21MLIMIT panic?
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 228 2011-05-23 01:08:43 <luke-jr> lfm: he said $1, not 1 BTC
 229 2011-05-23 01:08:52 <tasha2> hmm    listreceivedbyaddress  shows 'label'  field.   is that field setable?
 230 2011-05-23 01:09:03 <jrmithdobbs> yes
 231 2011-05-23 01:09:04 <tasha2> or is it just hardcoded as the same as account?
 232 2011-05-23 01:09:13 <luke-jr> tasha2: it's an obsolete name for account
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 234 2011-05-23 01:09:21 <luke-jr> kept for backward compat
 235 2011-05-23 01:09:27 <tasha2> so I can ignore it, eh?
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 237 2011-05-23 01:10:22 <erbs> a single tx should not be worth less than $1 (technically it could be considered a note/obligation for an amount less than $1 whith the stamp payments act frowns upon)
 238 2011-05-23 01:11:00 <erbs> but tx's higher than $1 wouldn't need to round if its in the same tx
 239 2011-05-23 01:11:16 <AntiVigilante> jrmithdobbs: Attitude? I don't believe in attitudes - everything I say is measured - It's not like I shove that in their faces. If I wanted to say that to them, I'd be sharper and more subtle.
 240 2011-05-23 01:11:24 <XX01XX> basically you can't sell any amount of bitcoin for less than $1
 241 2011-05-23 01:11:37 <erbs> that is kind of an issue with any micropayment system
 242 2011-05-23 01:11:55 <jrmithdobbs> AntiVigilante: well you're more than welcome to not believe in colours too.
 243 2011-05-23 01:12:02 <XX01XX> Nah... you could micropay in bitcoin for a debt in bitcoin without wrrying about the USD value,no?
 244 2011-05-23 01:12:03 <jrmithdobbs> AntiVigilante: doesn't change my statement.
 245 2011-05-23 01:12:18 <erbs> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1817857  goes into why stamp payments act is probably not enforceable on digital transactions, but it doesn't hurt exchangers to stay away from sub $1 valued transactions
 246 2011-05-23 01:12:37 <erbs> XX01XX: yeah i think so
 247 2011-05-23 01:13:02 <erbs> if its not tied to a USD-denominated transaction its probably fine
 248 2011-05-23 01:13:16 <erbs> or some foreign currency easily convertible to USD
 249 2011-05-23 01:13:23 <lfm> XX01XX: ya, just when you buy bitcoin to top up your account or sell btc to cash out you may be limited in your options
 250 2011-05-23 01:13:52 <AntiVigilante> jrmithdobbs: an attitude is an absent minded behavior. not how I play. I'd agree if I actually said that to ppl. I'm just venting on the pointless topic of fence sitters.
 251 2011-05-23 01:14:06 <lfm> or if you arnt in the usa
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 257 2011-05-23 01:19:08 <ntosme2> with DiabloMiner I'm consistently seeing the hash rate drop ~30% after about 30 mins, anyone else seeing this?
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 259 2011-05-23 01:20:09 <ntosme2> two 5870s get 710 MH for 30 minutes and then drop to 550 MH
 260 2011-05-23 01:20:25 <phantomcircuit> ntosme2, ask Diablo-D3
 261 2011-05-23 01:20:38 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: ping
 262 2011-05-23 01:20:45 <lfm> ntosme2: I dont think Diablo-D3 hash rate display is stable till you have run for 30 minutes anyway.
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 264 2011-05-23 01:21:31 <lfm> before that its just inacurate
 265 2011-05-23 01:21:35 <ntosme2> in that case, it's overall hash rate is much slower that poclbm
 266 2011-05-23 01:21:40 <erbs> p2p, b2b, b2c transactions have little to worry about.. exchangers and payment services have slightly more regs that are intended to be anti money laundering provisions
 267 2011-05-23 01:21:42 <MrHako> what should rejected be considered as? Why are they rejected?
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 269 2011-05-23 01:22:18 <AntiVigilante> the only way to prevent laundeting, drugs, crime on Bitcoin is to flood the market with stores, exchanges, donations
 270 2011-05-23 01:22:38 <Namegduf> s/prevent/hide/
 271 2011-05-23 01:23:02 <AntiVigilante> the market is us
 272 2011-05-23 01:23:12 <AntiVigilante> prevent is appropriate
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 274 2011-05-23 01:24:19 <lfm> I'm with Namegduf on that
 275 2011-05-23 01:24:27 <jrmithdobbs> AntiVigilante: you're more than welcome to redefine words to suit your intent as well, still doesn't change my statement.
 276 2011-05-23 01:24:38 <Namegduf> No, it isn't.
 277 2011-05-23 01:24:44 <Namegduf> The exact same amount will exist either way.
 278 2011-05-23 01:24:52 <jrmithdobbs> AntiVigilante: point stands that the "fuck the federal gov of every nation and their regs" attitude is not productive.
 279 2011-05-23 01:25:20 <erbs> a lot of the AML regs only apply to tx over $10K usd anyway.. so its not a big deal
 280 2011-05-23 01:25:52 <AntiVigilante> jrmithdobbs: agreed. but I don't give a shit for laws that prevent people from raising each other up.
 281 2011-05-23 01:25:55 <lfm> yup we should all learn all the regs for our own jurisdictions and learn how to work around <-<-<- with them
 282 2011-05-23 01:27:08 <AntiVigilante> I lit up because the United Homeless Organization was shut down. Point of no return for me.
 283 2011-05-23 01:27:10 <erbs> you cant really buy bitcoin with paper cash.. it goes through paypal/credit card/etc, so already customer identification is there. unlike prepaid cards where a druglord can buy $100K worth of cards in cash from a few gas stations
 284 2011-05-23 01:28:01 <lfm> erbs well you CAN buy btc with cash. themadhatter was doing that
 285 2011-05-23 01:28:24 <erbs> buy sending it over the mail? i guess.. but you cant really send $10K anonymously
 286 2011-05-23 01:28:26 <AntiVigilante> and ubitex
 287 2011-05-23 01:28:31 <lfm> send him cah in the mail and hed credit your btc account
 288 2011-05-23 01:28:35 <erbs> or i mean, putting $10K in a fedex is probably a bad idea hehe
 289 2011-05-23 01:29:09 <AntiVigilante> i'll put some bitbills in a bottle - put in on the sea.
 290 2011-05-23 01:29:11 <lfm> erbs if your doing $10k you can get bonded couriers
 291 2011-05-23 01:29:14 <luke-jr> erbs: depends where you live
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 293 2011-05-23 01:29:42 <erbs> right.. but its not the business model for payment providers to be accepting large anonymous bundles of cash
 294 2011-05-23 01:30:15 <lfm> erbs depends on the country, prolly in Nigeria it would be fine
 295 2011-05-23 01:31:07 <erbs> e-Gold: "The indictment alleges that the defendants knew of illegal activity associated with accounts and recorded it in the e-gold database with notations such as "child porn", "scammer", and "CC fraud""  their downfall was really failing at due diligence, laundering $ for known fraudsters allegedly
 296 2011-05-23 01:32:29 <lfm> erbs: is it ok if you send the law enforement notification that you have this stuff?
 297 2011-05-23 01:32:52 <erbs> lfm: exactly.. you have to file SARs, suspicious activity reports
 298 2011-05-23 01:33:01 <jgarzik> CTRs, SARs, ...
 299 2011-05-23 01:33:28 <tasha2> so in pools, is it that they forward on a getwork packet, but modify the target before sending?
 300 2011-05-23 01:33:42 <lfm> prolly just goes into files somewhere anyway.
 301 2011-05-23 01:33:54 <jgarzik> lfm: feds are great at data mining now
 302 2011-05-23 01:34:08 <jgarzik> lfm: every CC transaction in the US gets snarfed to the feds
 303 2011-05-23 01:34:16 <AntiVigilante> ok that's it
 304 2011-05-23 01:34:31 <phantomcircuit> erbs, funny we sold btc for cash today...
 305 2011-05-23 01:34:45 <lfm> jgarzik: well I guess we can relax then, they have won the war on drugs!
 306 2011-05-23 01:34:55 <JFK911> jgarzik: why can i buy illegal drugs with a credit card from the same guy i could years ago then?
 307 2011-05-23 01:34:59 <AntiVigilante> 5 BTC says that Reuben guy is going to be issuing a hit piece subtle or blunt
 308 2011-05-23 01:35:27 <lfm> what Reuben guy?
 309 2011-05-23 01:35:29 <AntiVigilante> Page 8 he call fractional reserve banks legitimate
 310 2011-05-23 01:35:45 <AntiVigilante> the guy who did the yale paper
 311 2011-05-23 01:35:57 <jgarzik> fractional reserve is just a choice.  nothing wrong with it, as long as you understand your money might be lost by the gamblers at the top.
 312 2011-05-23 01:36:04 <erbs> you can trade btc for paper cash - but a business based on that would have the same regs as prepaid cards
 313 2011-05-23 01:36:17 <lfm> AntiVigilante: ya well fractional reserve banks are legal, weed isnt
 314 2011-05-23 01:37:13 <lfm> jgarzik: yup keep your btc in your matress
 315 2011-05-23 01:37:18 <erbs> "Any person who owns or controls a money transmitting business shall register the business (whether or not the business is licensed as a money transmitting business in any State) with the Secretary of the Treasury "  http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31/usc_sec_31_00005330----000-.html  e-gold was indicted under that one as well
 316 2011-05-23 01:37:45 <AntiVigilante> jgarzik: your money might be lost but the properties they already acquired remain in theor hands - there is really no gambling at the top - it's a few levels below that where they feed off gamblers - names we know
 317 2011-05-23 01:37:52 <jgarzik> erbs: yes, that's standard MSB stuff
 318 2011-05-23 01:38:27 <lfm> AntiVigilante: and the bonuses they get paid are not part of the stuff they lose
 319 2011-05-23 01:38:35 <AntiVigilante> exactly
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 321 2011-05-23 01:40:12 <AntiVigilante> what if you're not a 'person'
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 328 2011-05-23 01:48:08 <stuhood> wow, mt. gox is blowing up.
 329 2011-05-23 01:48:11 <stuhood> in a good way.
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 332 2011-05-23 01:50:00 <ninjaneo> can someone send me a bunch of testcoins for me to play around with, plz? myAM24gdcxpJvfj9gRkKYqkHeoD9QsqMHU
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 335 2011-05-23 01:51:53 <ninjaneo> or is that inappropriate? =p
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 338 2011-05-23 01:55:24 <jfksir> eeks time to sell
 339 2011-05-23 01:55:30 <erbs> i dont think it costs anything to register as an MSB
 340 2011-05-23 01:56:04 <erbs> sure, how many would you like. will $800 USD be sufficient?
 341 2011-05-23 01:56:32 <jfksir> who me?
 342 2011-05-23 01:56:41 <jgarzik> erbs: MSB registration is annoying
 343 2011-05-23 01:56:41 <jfksir> oh i seel most of mine as they are generated on mtgox
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 345 2011-05-23 01:57:00 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt moved keys out of downloader config file.  https://gist.github.com/806265
 346 2011-05-23 01:57:02 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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 348 2011-05-23 01:59:10 <erbs> jgarzik: i doubt you really need it.. but if you're doing enough business where it would make sense you can afford the minimal requirements...
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 350 2011-05-23 02:03:56 <erbs> the treasury would have to make the sweeping argument that bitcoins are actually money/funds
 351 2011-05-23 02:04:46 <erbs> but then you could say beanie babies or baseball cards are funds.. billions have transacted in those, wheres btc has few transactions on record which would make it comparable to any other viable money
 352 2011-05-23 02:05:27 <erbs> you would need a much bigger market in the billions to come up with an argument that bitcoin is like other money..
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 354 2011-05-23 02:06:35 <dissipate> erbs, who cares what the government thinks.
 355 2011-05-23 02:06:43 <dissipate> erbs, just take the bitcoins and run
 356 2011-05-23 02:06:52 <erbs> i agree
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 360 2011-05-23 02:13:03 <jgarzik> erbs: it's mainly state regs that are a pain, and expensive
 361 2011-05-23 02:13:10 <jgarzik> erbs: $2-10k per state
 362 2011-05-23 02:13:16 <jgarzik> plus "surety bond"
 363 2011-05-23 02:15:32 <erbs> yeah jgarzik indeed
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 365 2011-05-23 02:16:08 <erbs> states are usually 5 yrs behind the feds any way on that type of stuff.. and the feds aare probably 5 yrs away from caring about bitcoin
 366 2011-05-23 02:16:27 <erbs> i think you need a billion $ market for it to be worth scrutiny by any jurisdiction
 367 2011-05-23 02:16:53 <ninjaneo> is there anyone willing to send testnet coins? myAM24gdcxpJvfj9gRkKYqkHeoD9QsqMHU
 368 2011-05-23 02:18:19 <lizthegrey> how much opposition would there be to including something in the bitcoin client that in addition to the precomputed hash values/parameters, returned the raw skeleton of the block? what about being able to set the nonce/generation address values?
 369 2011-05-23 02:18:31 <lizthegrey> or would I be better off forking the code or reimplementing to get that kind of functionality?
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 371 2011-05-23 02:19:21 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 372 2011-05-23 02:19:22 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.44,"low":6.075,"vol":34673,"buy":7.104,"sell":7.2698,"last":7.37}}
 373 2011-05-23 02:19:27 <erbs> its up again
 374 2011-05-23 02:19:32 <erbs> interesting
 375 2011-05-23 02:20:18 <jgarzik> lizthegrey: what is a raw skeleton of a block?  'getwork' RPC returns the block header.
 376 2011-05-23 02:21:17 <lizthegrey> jgarzik: that wasn't completely clear to me when I was looking at it, but it's possible I missed something
 377 2011-05-23 02:21:52 <ninjaneo> is cpumining on testnet practical
 378 2011-05-23 02:22:01 <lizthegrey> I'm working on an experimental pool
 379 2011-05-23 02:22:05 <lizthegrey> in short, I want to be able to trust clients to generate their own work rather than relying upon me to generate work and farm it out to clients
 380 2011-05-23 02:22:05 amiller has joined
 381 2011-05-23 02:22:12 <falafell> any of you guys know of some tool like msi afterburner that can scheduele different clocks at different times?
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 383 2011-05-23 02:22:15 <jgarzik> ninjaneo: moderately.  depends on your goal :)
 384 2011-05-23 02:22:20 <falafell> my rig crashes when the sun comes up xD
 385 2011-05-23 02:22:23 <ninjaneo> a block or two =p
 386 2011-05-23 02:22:32 <jgarzik> lizthegrey: that would require substantial client modification
 387 2011-05-23 02:22:50 <lizthegrey> so that means I need to be able to verify that a client submitting a proof of work had set the pool's payment address as the recipient of the generation/transaction fees
 388 2011-05-23 02:23:16 <lizthegrey> jgarzik: yeah, I'd assumed as much. I'm fine with incurring that work.
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 390 2011-05-23 02:24:07 <jgarzik> lizthegrey: not really.  the block header includes a hash of transactions (basically).  the block header does not include any payment addresses.  payment info for the block is stored in the special, first transaction called the coinbase TX.
 391 2011-05-23 02:24:23 <jgarzik> lizthegrey: the coinbase TX is then included the hash-of-transactions found in the block header
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 393 2011-05-23 02:24:35 <lizthegrey> jgarzik: yeah, I saw that pushpool was just asking the local bitcoin client for getwork
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 395 2011-05-23 02:25:43 <luke-jr> lizthegrey: that won't work for pools like Eligius
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 397 2011-05-23 02:26:56 <lizthegrey> luke-jr: aware. I'm trying to implement a pool, not connect to an existing pool :)
 398 2011-05-23 02:27:21 <luke-jr> lizthegrey: pool-specific miners ftl
 399 2011-05-23 02:28:11 <lizthegrey> luke-jr: no, no modification to miners needed.
 400 2011-05-23 02:29:15 <lizthegrey> existing miner calls getwork against a new binary running locally, returns a result, new binary running locally sends the full block for verification.
 401 2011-05-23 02:29:31 <lizthegrey> so the basic getwork bit that miners use is not changed.
 402 2011-05-23 02:30:00 <luke-jr> lizthegrey: still pool-specific the way you're talking
 403 2011-05-23 02:30:08 <luke-jr> you've just divided the miner into 2 parts
 404 2011-05-23 02:30:29 <lizthegrey> sure, there's a component you'd need to run in addition to your regular miner.
 405 2011-05-23 02:30:57 <lizthegrey> I concede that. I think there are advantages that would make you want to install the extra component though.
 406 2011-05-23 02:31:28 <luke-jr> I'd just prefer it be done in a way that works for all pools ;)
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 409 2011-05-23 02:32:36 <bitcoineer> hello
 410 2011-05-23 02:32:53 <bitcoineer> my client is not showing the updated blocl
 411 2011-05-23 02:33:04 <bitcoineer> its showing 125811
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 413 2011-05-23 02:33:23 <[Tycho]> How many connections do you get ?
 414 2011-05-23 02:33:28 <bitcoineer> hence,the payment i got just now isnt reflecting there
 415 2011-05-23 02:33:36 <bitcoineer> 3 connections
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 418 2011-05-23 02:34:48 <bitcoineer> current block is 125903
 419 2011-05-23 02:34:54 <phantomcircuit> bitcoineer, restart the client with an explicit -connect, the peer management is broken
 420 2011-05-23 02:34:56 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
 421 2011-05-23 02:34:57 <bitcoineer> but client isnt updating
 422 2011-05-23 02:34:58 <gribble> Current Blocks: 125903 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 1104 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 369820.37999348
 423 2011-05-23 02:35:24 <bitcoineer> i have gui
 424 2011-05-23 02:35:32 <bitcoineer> how do i start with -connect?
 425 2011-05-23 02:35:48 <phantomcircuit> bitcoineer, you start bitcoin from the cli
 426 2011-05-23 02:36:17 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, ps are you aware that the peer management code is like totally fucked?
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 428 2011-05-23 02:36:29 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: yes it sucks
 429 2011-05-23 02:36:37 <ninjaneo> ;;bc,calcd .129 24.7246072
 430 2011-05-23 02:36:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at .129 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 24.7246072, is 26 years, 5 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 36 minutes, and 20 seconds
 431 2011-05-23 02:36:41 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, no i mean it's like there has been a regression or something
 432 2011-05-23 02:36:53 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: regressions, I'm not aware of
 433 2011-05-23 02:37:04 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: I don't recall any changes to that code recently
 434 2011-05-23 02:37:06 <phantomcircuit> it used to just take a little while but now if the first connect fails it'll simply never work
 435 2011-05-23 02:37:22 <bitcoineer> i still dont get how run in -connect mode
 436 2011-05-23 02:37:24 <bitcoineer> :(
 437 2011-05-23 02:37:30 <phantomcircuit> my client was stuck for a couple hours with a SYN_SENT to the same ip
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 439 2011-05-23 02:37:40 <phantomcircuit> bitcoineer, windows or linux?
 440 2011-05-23 02:37:46 <bitcoineer> windows
 441 2011-05-23 02:37:52 <phantomcircuit> uh
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 443 2011-05-23 02:38:09 <phantomcircuit> just keep restarting the client until it connects to someone
 444 2011-05-23 02:38:19 <bitcoineer> can i use bitcoind for -connect
 445 2011-05-23 02:38:19 <phantomcircuit> restart, wait 30 seconds
 446 2011-05-23 02:38:20 <bitcoineer> ?
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 448 2011-05-23 02:38:45 <phantomcircuit> yes you can also use bitcoin.exe -connect=
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 450 2011-05-23 02:39:15 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: it's doing worse than it used to?
 451 2011-05-23 02:39:21 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: even if you kill addr.dat?
 452 2011-05-23 02:39:32 <phantomcircuit> yeah
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 454 2011-05-23 02:39:39 <phantomcircuit> maybe it's just bad luck on my part
 455 2011-05-23 02:39:51 <phantomcircuit> but it seems like there isn't any timeout at all for the first connect call
 456 2011-05-23 02:40:02 <jrmithdobbs> that code is a pretty huge clusterfuck but it doesn't seem quite that bad
 457 2011-05-23 02:40:30 <stuhood> wiping my address database and starting with -noirc worked well for me yesterday
 458 2011-05-23 02:40:32 <phantomcircuit> well i had it sitting with a single SYN_SENT for like 4 hours
 459 2011-05-23 02:41:07 <Namegduf> Damnit
 460 2011-05-23 02:41:11 <Namegduf> I buy and it stops going up.
 461 2011-05-23 02:41:14 * Namegduf shakes the price.
 462 2011-05-23 02:41:16 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, lol
 463 2011-05-23 02:41:19 <gasteve> how is it that the transaction hash for the generation transaction in block 0 on testnet and the real chain are the same?  the output address is different in those two transactions ...so, I guess the output address is not included in the transaction hash?  doesn't seem right
 464 2011-05-23 02:41:25 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, did you even look at the bids/asks?
 465 2011-05-23 02:41:27 <Namegduf> Oh, whoops, wrong #bitcoin channel
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 467 2011-05-23 02:41:57 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: I didn't buy at its actual peak, its been bouncing around
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 469 2011-05-23 02:42:11 <bitcoineer> will installing latest version rsolve this problem?
 470 2011-05-23 02:42:19 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: wonder if someone is seeding irc with bad nodes or something
 471 2011-05-23 02:42:23 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, there's a couple of large sell orders at specific prices
 472 2011-05-23 02:42:32 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, that's entirely possible
 473 2011-05-23 02:42:46 <phantomcircuit> bitcoineer, nope it'll probably not help at all
 474 2011-05-23 02:42:50 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: someone finally putting their money where their mouth is, so to speak, in re: to the irc bootstrap dos
 475 2011-05-23 02:43:05 <Beremat> yeah, I think something's going on, I'm seeing 0 connections
 476 2011-05-23 02:43:10 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, im not so worried about an irc ddos
 477 2011-05-23 02:43:16 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: not ddos
 478 2011-05-23 02:43:18 <phantomcircuit> just change it so irc defaults to being off
 479 2011-05-23 02:43:39 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, really the problem is that the timeout for connect() should be like 0.5 seconds
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 481 2011-05-23 02:44:03 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, you can buy btc from me, only 10k usd/btc
 482 2011-05-23 02:44:05 <erbs> yogic thunder
 483 2011-05-23 02:44:07 <jgarzik> main IRC channel on lfnet is consistently hitting max capacity, causing various problems
 484 2011-05-23 02:44:19 <jgarzik> latest git uses #bitcoin00 - #bitcoin99
 485 2011-05-23 02:44:27 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, you need lots of ips to run a scheme like that against the irc boosttrap, so yeah it is ddos ;)
 486 2011-05-23 02:44:28 <jgarzik> but -dnsseed should avoid all that mess
 487 2011-05-23 02:44:34 <Namegduf> Max capacity?
 488 2011-05-23 02:44:44 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, irc server has a limit
 489 2011-05-23 02:44:48 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, who runs that server?
 490 2011-05-23 02:44:53 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: Weird. At what level?
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 492 2011-05-23 02:44:55 <phantomcircuit> the only channel on it is the bitcoin one
 493 2011-05-23 02:45:07 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: lazslo (sp?)
 494 2011-05-23 02:45:14 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, it's dependent entirely on who runs the server
 495 2011-05-23 02:45:19 <Namegduf> Server-wide limits make sense, but multiple channels wouldn't help with that.
 496 2011-05-23 02:45:44 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: depends on what ircd the irc bootstrap is using, there's a bunch you can fool into handing out the wrong ip info to everyone except the client connecting
 497 2011-05-23 02:45:47 <jgarzik> it is a channel-specific limit, not a server-wide limit.
 498 2011-05-23 02:45:50 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: Not really, the major IRCD software doesn't support a network administrator mandated channel size cap as a major feature, and basically no one has tried to set one.
 499 2011-05-23 02:45:51 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, the irc boostrap is pretty stupid a simple php script that returns peers would be simple as hell and trivial to distribute, in fact i wrote one for another project i was working on, it took me like 5 minutes and handled about 10k concurrent requests
 500 2011-05-23 02:45:59 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: u here?
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 502 2011-05-23 02:46:14 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: just requires ptr zone control and exploiting race conditions
 503 2011-05-23 02:46:17 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: ;P
 504 2011-05-23 02:46:24 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yeah i know ident forgery, but that's like the first thing major networks disable
 505 2011-05-23 02:46:25 <Schalk> Anyone here know a thing or two about linux?
 506 2011-05-23 02:46:31 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: tinydns is just as trivial
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 508 2011-05-23 02:46:34 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: periodically.
 509 2011-05-23 02:46:54 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, yeah but that'll end up being cached more regularly
 510 2011-05-23 02:46:56 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: I was wondering if you would know how to make Xsession(gnome) load with the ATI drivers when load with vnc4server
 511 2011-05-23 02:46:56 <vorlov> ?
 512 2011-05-23 02:47:08 <Schalk> bitcoind is meant to work on linux right?
 513 2011-05-23 02:47:19 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: a 60 second TTL is not a big deal
 514 2011-05-23 02:47:21 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, not to mention is harder for people to setup, a php script would be trivially distributed for bootstrap by tons of people
 515 2011-05-23 02:47:29 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: i got nodm loaded on :0 and i vnc into :1 which works for mining purposes... but the display itself (:1) isn't loaded with graphic drivers....
 516 2011-05-23 02:47:29 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: the vast majority of requests are likely uncached, anyway
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 518 2011-05-23 02:48:12 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, att is definitely caching bitseed.bitcoin.org.uk
 519 2011-05-23 02:48:17 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: i think dnsseed is the future
 520 2011-05-23 02:48:21 <phantomcircuit> and comcast aggressively caches dns
 521 2011-05-23 02:48:40 <phantomcircuit> every other p2p protocol uses webseeds with a single dnsseed
 522 2011-05-23 02:48:43 <gjs278> 8.8.8.8
 523 2011-05-23 02:48:45 <gjs278> 8.8.4.4
 524 2011-05-23 02:48:46 <gjs278> remember them
 525 2011-05-23 02:48:54 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: we just need a well controlled/defined way for people besides the owners of the zone to send updates so that they get added to the dns seed
 526 2011-05-23 02:49:00 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, yeah screw that i run my own dns resolver, but still most people dont
 527 2011-05-23 02:49:05 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: yep, and like every other p2p protocol, all we need is a single dnsseed
 528 2011-05-23 02:49:13 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 529 2011-05-23 02:49:13 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.44,"low":6.075,"vol":36072,"buy":6.8701,"sell":6.9,"last":6.88}}
 530 2011-05-23 02:49:19 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: yet without the webseeds
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 532 2011-05-23 02:49:26 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, lol then you just have the same problem, every ip on the planet would be added and it would take forever to connect
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 534 2011-05-23 02:49:40 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: vncing in sounds pointless
 535 2011-05-23 02:49:42 <phantomcircuit> again the timeout on peer connections needs to be massively reduced
 536 2011-05-23 02:49:43 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: hence the well controlled part of my statement
 537 2011-05-23 02:49:50 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: why not use x11vnc instead if you're going to do that?
 538 2011-05-23 02:49:55 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: or just ssh in
 539 2011-05-23 02:49:56 <gjs278> use x11vnc is right
 540 2011-05-23 02:49:56 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: not everyone should be able to get added to the dnsseed obviously
 541 2011-05-23 02:50:01 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: i do both
 542 2011-05-23 02:50:21 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: x11vnc is nice but it runs at a gigantic resolution
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 544 2011-05-23 02:50:25 <gjs278> so
 545 2011-05-23 02:50:32 <gjs278> your vnc client can scroll
 546 2011-05-23 02:50:43 <ninjaneo> ill paypal 2 usd for testnet coins
 547 2011-05-23 02:50:46 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: so tell the x server not to run at a gigantic resolution
 548 2011-05-23 02:50:50 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: one set of dns seeds holds well known fallback nodes, and another set randomly squirts long-lifetime nodes into a tinydns file.  no need to manually ping zone owners.
 549 2011-05-23 02:50:59 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, webseeds are easy as hell to implement and they discourage authorities seizing the dnsseed, since it's pointless
 550 2011-05-23 02:51:26 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: why would you need graphics support anyhow? ssh is enough
 551 2011-05-23 02:51:27 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: dns seeds are easy as hell to implement and they discourage authorities seizing the dnsseed, since it's pointless
 552 2011-05-23 02:51:29 <phantomcircuit> also is it just me or is the mtgox depth of market chart REALLY slow
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 554 2011-05-23 02:51:40 <jgarzik> every bitcoin node carries an address database
 555 2011-05-23 02:51:44 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, they're not that easy for normal users to implement
 556 2011-05-23 02:51:54 <phantomcircuit> liek you cant throw up a tinydns on soem shit free host
 557 2011-05-23 02:52:03 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: because its nice and it gives me the flexibility of calling my wife and asking her to check things for me when im not at home
 558 2011-05-23 02:52:07 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: didn't know it was already grabbing long-lifetime nodes
 559 2011-05-23 02:52:09 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: good to know
 560 2011-05-23 02:52:27 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: but ssh can do the same thing
 561 2011-05-23 02:52:48 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: every client having an address database is what leads to the shittiness phantomcircuit is bitching about in the first place though
 562 2011-05-23 02:52:56 <jrmithdobbs> tbqg
 563 2011-05-23 02:52:58 <jrmithdobbs> tbqh
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 566 2011-05-23 02:53:19 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: where a client gets stuck trying dead nodes over and over and over and never actually connecting
 567 2011-05-23 02:53:19 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: u are right and i do that, and obviously running any X is enough for mining purposes, but i like it and its flexible for me
 568 2011-05-23 02:53:24 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, lol im not bitching, i have no problem connecting, im just saying it's a shit design
 569 2011-05-23 02:53:36 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: going back to my question, do u happen to know if there's a way to load the graphics drivers in a vnc X session
 570 2011-05-23 02:53:45 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: yes, but if you have a phone with a ssh client you can just keep the miner running in screen
 571 2011-05-23 02:53:49 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: didn't mean that in a derragotory way, i agree that the state of that code is not good
 572 2011-05-23 02:53:55 <Diablo-D3> and then ssh to a box on your lan, and then ssh to your miner box from that
 573 2011-05-23 02:53:55 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: i just disagree that a web seed is the answer ;P
 574 2011-05-23 02:53:56 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, and actualyl the problem is more so that the client doesn't rapidly try new nodes, it tries them with a *HUGE* timeout
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 576 2011-05-23 02:54:08 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: erm, a vnc X session is _not_ X
 577 2011-05-23 02:54:11 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: its a fake X
 578 2011-05-23 02:54:14 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: use x11vnc
 579 2011-05-23 02:54:15 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: ya looking at the code it doesn't explicitly set one
 580 2011-05-23 02:54:20 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, which i suspect is actually forever
 581 2011-05-23 02:54:22 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: which means it uses the system default
 582 2011-05-23 02:54:28 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: okay i understand about vnc
 583 2011-05-23 02:54:29 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: which is forever in a lot of cases
 584 2011-05-23 02:54:33 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yeah
 585 2011-05-23 02:54:37 <jrmithdobbs> (or close enough to be pratically forever)
 586 2011-05-23 02:54:44 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: now what did u meen keep the miner running w/ screen? u mean with the screen program?
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 588 2011-05-23 02:54:52 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: yes
 589 2011-05-23 02:54:58 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, no it's literally forever on most linux boxes, SYN_SENT will wait forever
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 591 2011-05-23 02:55:10 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: screen lets you close the ssh connection without killing the miner
 592 2011-05-23 02:55:24 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: can be adjusted system wide, but yes
 593 2011-05-23 02:55:33 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: how do u do that w/ screen?
 594 2011-05-23 02:55:36 <Schalk> Can I interupt?
 595 2011-05-23 02:55:51 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yes, but most linux systems have syscookies turned on, which effectively disables system wide timeouts
 596 2011-05-23 02:56:17 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, there is a sysctl value that nominally controls the tcp connect timeout, but it doesn't actually do anything if syscookies is enabled
 597 2011-05-23 02:56:23 <phantomcircuit> it's a pretty common pitfall
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 599 2011-05-23 02:56:29 <Schalk> I'm getting this error on my linux machine
 600 2011-05-23 02:56:31 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: ssh in, run screen, run the program, press control-a control-d, exit, ssh back in, screen -r
 601 2011-05-23 02:56:43 <Schalk> EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc
 602 2011-05-23 02:56:46 <Schalk> std::bad_alloc
 603 2011-05-23 02:56:48 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: lemme try... maybe ill use that for other purposes ;-)
 604 2011-05-23 02:56:53 <Schalk> bitcoin in ProcessMessage()
 605 2011-05-23 02:56:56 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: this is basic screen usage, dude
 606 2011-05-23 02:57:01 <phantomcircuit> Schalk, can you pastebin the entire output?
 607 2011-05-23 02:57:06 <Schalk> Sure
 608 2011-05-23 02:57:10 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: i've never been a screen user.... gotta be honest
 609 2011-05-23 02:57:10 <Schalk> As well as OS?
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 611 2011-05-23 02:57:15 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: oh fun didn't know syncookies would disable that
 612 2011-05-23 02:57:16 <phantomcircuit> Schalk, including the stuff right at the end of ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
 613 2011-05-23 02:57:25 <Schalk> Ok will do
 614 2011-05-23 02:57:26 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: best fucking tool ever
 615 2011-05-23 02:57:29 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: the ghost of djb strikes again!
 616 2011-05-23 02:57:31 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
 617 2011-05-23 02:57:34 <phantomcircuit> lol
 618 2011-05-23 02:57:39 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: always time to learn something new ;-)
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 620 2011-05-23 02:57:48 <jrmithdobbs> (more like: people poorly implementing djb's designs, but whatever)
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 622 2011-05-23 02:58:58 <gjs278> GETTHAT SHIT OUT OF HERE
 623 2011-05-23 02:59:12 <gjs278> what can BlueMattBot do \
 624 2011-05-23 02:59:31 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: can u start screen directly into memory without having to ssh in and start in... i.e using it in an upstart script
 625 2011-05-23 02:59:33 <vorlov> ?
 626 2011-05-23 02:59:55 <Schalk> I'm in SSH how do I view a file?
 627 2011-05-23 02:59:55 <gjs278> son I do not know what the hell that means
 628 2011-05-23 02:59:58 <Schalk> Or get it to dump the file contents?
 629 2011-05-23 02:59:59 <phantomcircuit> vorlov, yes, but it might be called by a different user
 630 2011-05-23 03:00:04 <gjs278> Schalk cat filename
 631 2011-05-23 03:00:07 <phantomcircuit> vorlov, (like root)
 632 2011-05-23 03:00:08 <Schalk> thanks
 633 2011-05-23 03:00:31 <vorlov> what if i su -u it when constructing my "start script" stanza...?
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 635 2011-05-23 03:00:35 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, btw it's less or a serious issue and more of a nuisance for people who dont understand how any of it works
 636 2011-05-23 03:00:47 <gjs278> you still have to start X
 637 2011-05-23 03:00:54 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: thats nonsensical, screen is in memory no matter what
 638 2011-05-23 03:01:01 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: and it doesnt matter where you start it
 639 2011-05-23 03:01:06 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: read the manpage
 640 2011-05-23 03:01:12 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: u are right... my question was dumb
 641 2011-05-23 03:01:13 <gjs278> you have to start X, enter your screen, run the mining commands
 642 2011-05-23 03:01:13 <vorlov> sorry
 643 2011-05-23 03:01:15 <vorlov> i get it now
 644 2011-05-23 03:01:44 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: ugh, fixing this is nontrivial
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 646 2011-05-23 03:02:07 <Schalk> PhantomCircuit, can I trust you with my SSH
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 648 2011-05-23 03:02:11 <gjs278> no
 649 2011-05-23 03:02:35 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yeah my python implementation (which doesn't use twisted) the part which still really and truly doesn't work is keeping track of how many and which peers are connected
 650 2011-05-23 03:02:38 <Diablo-D3> yeah what gjs278 said
 651 2011-05-23 03:02:41 <Schalk> I only got there server yesterday, so it doesn't matter if it stuffs up somehow
 652 2011-05-23 03:02:49 <phantomcircuit> Schalk, yeah probably
 653 2011-05-23 03:02:52 <phantomcircuit> unless i get bored
 654 2011-05-23 03:02:53 <phantomcircuit> hehe
 655 2011-05-23 03:02:56 <Schalk> :P oj
 656 2011-05-23 03:02:58 <Schalk> ok*
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 661 2011-05-23 03:06:20 <Schalk> http://pastebin.com/zxuGR5dC
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 664 2011-05-23 03:13:51 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: can you split the screen into the different screen sessions running?
 665 2011-05-23 03:14:31 <gjs278> yes
 666 2011-05-23 03:14:33 <gjs278> ctrl+a c
 667 2011-05-23 03:14:53 <gjs278> ctrl+a n to move around them
 668 2011-05-23 03:15:11 <vorlov> no i mean.... i did ctrl+a S
 669 2011-05-23 03:15:15 <vorlov> cani  split it to more than two screens
 670 2011-05-23 03:15:15 <vorlov> ?
 671 2011-05-23 03:15:24 <gjs278> no idea, I never do that
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 687 2011-05-23 03:31:16 <vorlov> is there a screen argument to kill a session without actually going into the screen
 688 2011-05-23 03:31:16 <vorlov> ?
 689 2011-05-23 03:31:47 <[thor]> man screen
 690 2011-05-23 03:33:11 <erbs> hyperpeen
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 701 2011-05-23 03:45:13 <bd_> vorlov: You could kill the screen process
 702 2011-05-23 03:45:19 <bd_> screen -list => kill (pid)
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 714 2011-05-23 03:55:07 <grbgout> has something changed in the release candidate that affects connections (default port, maybe: 8333); I've only got 14 connected, when I usually have four to five times that.
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 720 2011-05-23 03:56:04 <Schalk> Hey Phantomcircuit
 721 2011-05-23 03:56:46 <jgarzik> grbgout: hmmmm shouldn't have...
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 726 2011-05-23 04:01:17 <eianpsego> I just compiled rc3 and tried to run the binary -  I don't see it doing anything.  It is just sitting there.  Is there a way to generate verbose output/log info to see what is happening?
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 728 2011-05-23 04:02:09 <lfm> there is a debug.log
 729 2011-05-23 04:02:17 <lfm> in the config dir
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 731 2011-05-23 04:04:16 <grbgout> I have my router forwarding to port 8333, as I recall that was the thing to do from some guide somewhere: the original FAQ on the bitcoin.org site, iirc.  I do not have that port set in the bitcoin.conf as the rpcport variable, and when I set it (think I should) it seemed to clobber my miner (connected to a pool) and cause problems with bitcoin itself (had to restart the server).
 732 2011-05-23 04:04:22 <grbgout> sorry for the length
 733 2011-05-23 04:04:37 <grbgout> s/think/thinking/
 734 2011-05-23 04:04:57 <lfm> 8333 is the net port, the rpc port is different
 735 2011-05-23 04:05:46 * grbgout nods
 736 2011-05-23 04:05:52 <grbgout> that explains why everything went haywire :)
 737 2011-05-23 04:05:55 <grbgout> poclbm freaked out
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 739 2011-05-23 04:06:08 <grbgout> and it was connected to a pool --- not sure why that would have influenced it.
 740 2011-05-23 04:06:24 <ramontayag> right room to ask questions to start bitcoin on ubuntu? I'm on ubuntu 11.04. Downloaded the latest client for linux. I chmod 755 the whole folder since it said there were permission problems. i then double clicked on the 32 bit version (since i am on a 32bit version of ubuntu). I can see bitcoin started in htop, but no gui pops up. what do i do?
 741 2011-05-23 04:06:50 <grbgout> ramontayag: did you run bitcoin or bitcoind?
 742 2011-05-23 04:06:52 <eianpsego> So I don't see the UI in ubuntu 11.04...wonder what is going on lol
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 744 2011-05-23 04:07:01 <ramontayag> bitcoin, not *d
 745 2011-05-23 04:07:08 <AntiVigilante> I get an odd error
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 747 2011-05-23 04:07:17 <grbgout> ramontayag: well, that's about as helpful as I can be since I don't use the gui >_> sorry
 748 2011-05-23 04:07:21 <AntiVigilante> EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException
 749 2011-05-23 04:07:21 <AntiVigilante> DbEnv::open: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery
 750 2011-05-23 04:07:21 <AntiVigilante> bitcoin in AppInit()
 751 2011-05-23 04:07:33 <lfm> I think theres a problem in ubuntu 11.04 you need the latest RC version
 752 2011-05-23 04:07:35 <ramontayag> oh ok :)
 753 2011-05-23 04:07:45 <ramontayag> rc version of bitcoin?
 754 2011-05-23 04:07:46 <eianpsego> lfm - I compiled rc3
 755 2011-05-23 04:08:22 <eianpsego> lfm: I see the debug.log entries coming in, so I know it is working.
 756 2011-05-23 04:08:49 <eianpsego> lfm: I don't see the wxWidgets UI though
 757 2011-05-23 04:08:49 <AntiVigilante> EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException
 758 2011-05-23 04:08:49 <AntiVigilante> DbEnv::open: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery
 759 2011-05-23 04:08:49 <AntiVigilante> bitcoin in CMyApp::OnUnhandledException()
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 761 2011-05-23 04:09:20 <AntiVigilante> so why's it doing that?
 762 2011-05-23 04:09:37 <lfm> eianpsego: ok maybe they dont have the rc working right yet, they may still be working on it
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 766 2011-05-23 04:11:33 <vorlov> guys, i have nodm installed.... but when i point it to my non root user to use the autologin feature of... it still loads nodm, but in the ps aux i see traces of gnome running as well
 767 2011-05-23 04:11:45 <vorlov> whereas if i run it autologin as root (nodm) it doesn't show traces of gnome....
 768 2011-05-23 04:12:05 <vorlov> mind u that when i use x11vnc i dont see any gnome interface....just the usual nodm
 769 2011-05-23 04:12:13 <erbs> angus stoat
 770 2011-05-23 04:12:41 <ramontayag> i guess i'll just install in it windows virtualbox :) thanks guys!
 771 2011-05-23 04:12:58 <grbgout> oh well, as I recall it took a while to get my 50+ connections anyway.
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 779 2011-05-23 04:23:59 <vorlov> anyone knows what makes gnome-powermanager and gnome-screensaver startup
 780 2011-05-23 04:24:00 <vorlov> ?
 781 2011-05-23 04:24:03 <vorlov> even tho gdm isnt running
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 789 2011-05-23 04:34:12 <eianpsego> The GUI problem with Ubuntu 11.04 is a problem with wxWidgets apparently - solution is to build the wxWidgets trunk (Solution described here: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=6299.20)
 790 2011-05-23 04:36:03 <bk128> so has anyone here used FPGAs?  I saw the forum post
 791 2011-05-23 04:36:32 <eianpsego> bk128: can you link me to the post if you still have it?
 792 2011-05-23 04:36:52 <bk128> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=fdea65dc3600baa73ef943e514103493&topic=2362.0;all
 793 2011-05-23 04:36:57 <eianpsego> thx
 794 2011-05-23 04:38:11 <bk128> sure
 795 2011-05-23 04:41:08 <erbs> fpga is cool
 796 2011-05-23 04:41:11 <erbs> but not cost effective
 797 2011-05-23 04:41:55 <midnightmagic> structured ASIC might be cost-effective-r.
 798 2011-05-23 04:42:15 <bk128> eh, with the power saving it might be cost effective, SASIC definitely is cost effective
 799 2011-05-23 04:42:37 <midnightmagic> "sasic" still requires a minimum first-order.
 800 2011-05-23 04:42:48 <midnightmagic> so once you're in, you're in.
 801 2011-05-23 04:43:06 <midnightmagic> older-process ASIC might be cost-effective.
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 804 2011-05-23 04:44:10 <midnightmagic> and FPGA takes so long to pay itself off, it would surprise me indeed if someone were able to make a go of using an fpga array. (would they still be "better" by that order-of-magnitude after the next-gen GPU arrives?
 805 2011-05-23 04:44:51 <jgarzik> I'd jump on sasic, if there was an easy route from HDL -> finished sasic + board
 806 2011-05-23 04:45:13 <midnightmagic> i would jump on sasic if there were an easy route from HDL -> finished sasic. :)
 807 2011-05-23 04:45:20 <erbs> whats new
 808 2011-05-23 04:45:22 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: MOSIS?
 809 2011-05-23 04:45:52 <midnightmagic> what fab lets you do a small first-order?
 810 2011-05-23 04:46:07 <erbs> cheaper to pay ppl to run your gpu-miner
 811 2011-05-23 04:46:32 <erbs> ie running a pool and skimming fees
 812 2011-05-23 04:46:35 <lfm> midnightmagic: you know that block you only claimed 49.999... btc on? well there was a fee you missed on it too you know?
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 814 2011-05-23 04:47:24 <lfm> midnightmagic: so you sent 0.0100000001 btc to the great bitbucket in the sky altogether
 815 2011-05-23 04:47:46 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: what is small?  I think MOSIS is 50-100?
 816 2011-05-23 04:48:25 <midnightmagic> lfm: I specifically set my total to a hard-coded value, ignoring fees. besides the fee is generated already. my aim was to eliminate a ฿ value from ever coming into existence..
 817 2011-05-23 04:48:34 <midnightmagic> jgarzik: ?! wtf? really?
 818 2011-05-23 04:49:13 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: surf their website http://www.mosis.com/ start at 'New MOSIS Users'
 819 2011-05-23 04:49:14 <midnightmagic> http://www.mosis.com/about/whatis.html huh, they're talking 40 there.
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 821 2011-05-23 04:50:23 <midnightmagic> well, I can do boards no problem.. I could've sworn when I looked at mosis they were a minimum of like 500 or so.. WELL COOL! :-)
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 824 2011-05-23 04:51:12 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: why not claim 0?
 825 2011-05-23 04:51:52 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: because the smallest unit has colloquially become known at a "Satoshi" and I wanted to enshrine the real Satoshi's absence into the blockchain for all time.
 826 2011-05-23 04:51:57 <midnightmagic> at => as
 827 2011-05-23 04:52:10 <lfm> very zen
 828 2011-05-23 04:52:25 <erbs> whats to stop someone from faking the timestamp on a block
 829 2011-05-23 04:52:32 <erbs> setting it way into the future to get the difficulty lowered
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 831 2011-05-23 04:54:24 <gmaxwell> MOSIS looks pretty good!
 832 2011-05-23 04:55:05 <lfm> erbs if its more than 2 hours off, it will be rejected
 833 2011-05-23 04:55:11 <gmaxwell> It's a very bitcoin business model too.
 834 2011-05-23 04:55:17 <midnightmagic> lfm: hrm. is the fee enshrined in the block? i don't see it in the raw block..
 835 2011-05-23 04:55:21 <gmaxwell> Send your transaction in for it to be included in a block. :)
 836 2011-05-23 04:55:43 <lfm> midnightmagic: the last txn in that block had a fee
 837 2011-05-23 04:56:13 <midnightmagic> lfm: i can't find it in the raw block.
 838 2011-05-23 04:56:23 <erbs> lfm: rejected by who? other miners would have an incentive to allow it so they extract more btc in less time
 839 2011-05-23 04:56:43 <ntosme2> luke-jr: what's the story with the dashjr.org address?
 840 2011-05-23 04:56:57 <lfm> midnightmagic: its a multi-output txn, total value 81.20
 841 2011-05-23 04:57:08 <gmaxwell> And they have monthly fab runs with modern processes too.
 842 2011-05-23 04:57:15 <luke-jr> what story?
 843 2011-05-23 04:57:46 <lfm> block 124724, right?
 844 2011-05-23 04:57:50 <midnightmagic> lfm: yeah..
 845 2011-05-23 04:58:01 <ntosme2> when did you switch to the mining.eligius.st domain?
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 847 2011-05-23 04:58:38 <vorlov> guys
 848 2011-05-23 04:58:53 <vorlov> do u get a segmentation fault trying to run byobu -d -m option
 849 2011-05-23 04:58:53 <vorlov> ?
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 852 2011-05-23 05:03:26 <midnightmagic> lfm: in order to reject a fee, I'd have to txn it back to the one paying the fee wouldn't I.
 853 2011-05-23 05:03:34 <erbs> ever if miners only set the time forward 2 hours, they can keep lowering the difficulty indefinitely...
 854 2011-05-23 05:04:32 <nanotube> http://freedomwatch.uservoice.com/forums/16625-freedom-watch-show-ideas/suggestions/1778101-bitcoin <-- a few more votes, and we get a freedomwatch episode on bitcoin.
 855 2011-05-23 05:04:32 <nanotube> if you have a few spare moments - put in a vote!
 856 2011-05-23 05:04:36 <lfm> midnightmagic: nope, fees are just an amount left over between the inputs and the outputs of a txn. if you dont claim em, they go into the ether
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 858 2011-05-23 05:05:53 <midnightmagic> lfm: yeah but if I wanted to mine for free--no txn fees--then the fees would need to be txn'd back to the sender. could that not be done in the same block?
 859 2011-05-23 05:06:34 <midnightmagic> so, "claim" the fee by paying myself the fee, and append a txn which pays it back to the pubkey of the sender..
 860 2011-05-23 05:06:40 <lfm> midnightmagic: the only way to gather them up is in the coinbase txn, then you could send them back from there ya
 861 2011-05-23 05:07:12 <midnightmagic> can the output of a transaction not be the input of another txn?
 862 2011-05-23 05:07:55 <midnightmagic> yeah it looks like it because it processes txn in order of dependency
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 865 2011-05-23 05:08:33 <lfm> midnightmagic: ya, but fees arnt explicit outputs, they are just the excess bewteen the inputs and the oputputs
 866 2011-05-23 05:09:35 <midnightmagic> hrm. so i guess..  there's no real point in putting it into a separate txn because you can just output it in the coinbase..
 867 2011-05-23 05:09:36 <lfm> see txn -> http://blockexplorer.com/t/9MXr3RauYB has a fee 0.01. it is in your block
 868 2011-05-23 05:09:39 <midnightmagic> but i wonder if it's possible..
 869 2011-05-23 05:09:49 <midnightmagic> yeah I've been staring at that,.
 870 2011-05-23 05:10:16 <jp_larocque> I would return payments unless you're okay with the money being lost forever.
 871 2011-05-23 05:10:19 <midnightmagic> meh. then I say I wanted no fee for my sentimental block.
 872 2011-05-23 05:10:27 <midnightmagic> jp_ it's too late, it's gone.
 873 2011-05-23 05:10:35 <lfm> when you hard coded the coinbase, you bypassed or threw away the fee as well
 874 2011-05-23 05:10:40 <jp_larocque> Think of automated systems that might send out money.  No person would ever see or spend returned money.
 875 2011-05-23 05:10:50 <grbgout> hmm, I don't need to forward port 8332 if I want to connect a miner to a bitcoin node on my intranet, right?
 876 2011-05-23 05:10:59 <jp_larocque> I wouldn't return payments*
 877 2011-05-23 05:11:19 <lfm> yup too late, its gone
 878 2011-05-23 05:11:28 <midnightmagic> i intended to simply refuse the fee actually, but I suppose the effort was clumsy.
 879 2011-05-23 05:11:46 <midnightmagic> either way, one Satoshi never came into existence. :)
 880 2011-05-23 05:12:17 <lfm> no big deal anyway, just a few extra cents lost to the entropy
 881 2011-05-23 05:12:36 <erbs> gavin is satoshi ?
 882 2011-05-23 05:12:43 <lfm> erbs nope
 883 2011-05-23 05:12:45 <midnightmagic> now I'm going to build a bitcoind which pays fees back to the senders.
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 885 2011-05-23 05:13:21 <lfm> midnightmagic: hehe, ok, ya
 886 2011-05-23 05:13:42 <jfksir> satoshi is actually billg - he doesn't want anyone to know
 887 2011-05-23 05:13:43 <midnightmagic> and I'd tested it so carefully on testnet too. :)
 888 2011-05-23 05:14:00 <lfm> hehe ya, not a lot of fees on testnet
 889 2011-05-23 05:14:19 <midnightmagic> lfm: thanks for ruining my sentimentality! :-)
 890 2011-05-23 05:14:47 <lfm> naw, not ruined, just an aspect you didnt antisipate
 891 2011-05-23 05:15:47 <midnightmagic> well. perhaps not. but it does show the effort was clumsily and imperfectly executed. not worthy of my usual high standards.
 892 2011-05-23 05:16:01 <midnightmagic> ha ha ha..
 893 2011-05-23 05:16:21 <erbs> satoshi has cashed out his $3M
 894 2011-05-23 05:16:41 <lfm> erbs why you say that?
 895 2011-05-23 05:16:44 <erbs> enough to live off the interest ad infinitum
 896 2011-05-23 05:17:36 <erbs> its a bad sign when the insiders cash out quickly, like the ceo of a company selling off all his shares
 897 2011-05-23 05:17:48 <grbgout> nanotube: voted
 898 2011-05-23 05:17:56 <nanotube> grbgout: \o/  :)
 899 2011-05-23 05:18:03 <grbgout> only 7 to go
 900 2011-05-23 05:18:04 <phantomcircuit> erbs, uh the insiders have nto cashed out
 901 2011-05-23 05:18:13 <nanotube> grbgout: no, 7 is how many votes you have left, it seems. :)
 902 2011-05-23 05:18:19 <grbgout> O.o
 903 2011-05-23 05:18:21 <nanotube> http://freedomwatch.uservoice.com/forums/16625-freedom-watch-show-ideas
 904 2011-05-23 05:18:24 <lfm> i think we might have noticed a $3 million sell. unless he sold it privatly to some nutty investor
 905 2011-05-23 05:18:24 <nanotube> grbgout: ^ overall rankings
 906 2011-05-23 05:18:47 <grbgout> oh
 907 2011-05-23 05:18:49 <grbgout> T_T
 908 2011-05-23 05:19:13 <grbgout> I can't add more than 3?  That's the-gay.
 909 2011-05-23 05:19:32 <lfm> ????
 910 2011-05-23 05:19:44 <lfm> ^ more than 3 ?
 911 2011-05-23 05:20:00 <midnightmagic> and why are you calling miners "insiders"?
 912 2011-05-23 05:20:00 <grbgout> lfm: http://freedomwatch.uservoice.com/forums/16625-freedom-watch-show-ideas/suggestions/1778101-bitcoin?ref=title
 913 2011-05-23 05:20:43 <grbgout> hmm, you think they monitor by IP on that site?
 914 2011-05-23 05:20:59 <erbs> mtgox has dark pools and they do hundreds of thousands a week. not hard to dispose of $3 mil over a few months
 915 2011-05-23 05:21:39 <lfm> how do you know how much is in the dark pools? Is MagicalTux telling random people now?
 916 2011-05-23 05:21:47 <midnightmagic> jgarzik: is your board-fu not da best then? why wouldn't you be doing mosis too?
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 918 2011-05-23 05:22:03 <midnightmagic> erbs: so you're speculating then
 919 2011-05-23 05:22:04 <phantomcircuit> erbs, 3 mil @ 6$ is a shitton of money
 920 2011-05-23 05:22:16 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, of course he is
 921 2011-05-23 05:22:34 <midnightmagic> yeah, i just want him to admit it
 922 2011-05-23 05:22:48 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: I have contacts that can do this sort of thing, but $$$$$$$.  My own hardware-fu is low.  I can read HDL and hack it a bit, that's it.
 923 2011-05-23 05:22:53 <erbs> admit that im not satoshi and dont record his every tx? lol
 924 2011-05-23 05:23:07 <erbs> the profit incentive is obvious. hes sold a huge amount
 925 2011-05-23 05:23:09 <lfm> phantomcircuit: no, he said $3 million, not 3 million btc
 926 2011-05-23 05:23:54 <midnightmagic> jgarzik: i would be happier if I could design the low-level logic itself gate-by-gate.. but I guess that isn't done quite so much anymore.
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 928 2011-05-23 05:24:46 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: software was invented so that I wouldn't have to deal with hardware
 929 2011-05-23 05:25:11 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: I want to write code, click 'Compile', and have a board w/ sASIC on it
 930 2011-05-23 05:25:40 <lfm> or fpga
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 932 2011-05-23 05:26:04 <midnightmagic> =] i designed an entire simple-as-possible computer gate-by-gate for a class like.. 15 years ago. had a little instruction set on it, an ALU, communications bus. *snif* I loved that class so much..
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 934 2011-05-23 05:26:33 <jrmithdobbs> midnightmagic: they barely even teach that any more
 935 2011-05-23 05:26:34 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: I'm pretty sure their a company that provide HDL -> hardware as a complete solution but it's very pricy.
 936 2011-05-23 05:26:35 <jrmithdobbs> :(
 937 2011-05-23 05:26:36 <midnightmagic> i still have the design in my permanent archives. too bad it was done in logicworks. I'm not even sure logicworks even exists anymore.
 938 2011-05-23 05:26:36 <lfm> midnightmagic: did you build it?
 939 2011-05-23 05:27:19 <midnightmagic> lfm: no, it would've required a huge number of nands. I simulated it though.
 940 2011-05-23 05:27:38 <midnightmagic> i think the gate count was.. somewhere in the thousands anyway.
 941 2011-05-23 05:27:51 <midnightmagic> jrmithdobbs: they don't eh? ah, more's the pity.
 942 2011-05-23 05:27:53 <phantomcircuit> lfm, oh, yes that would be easy
 943 2011-05-23 05:28:02 <phantomcircuit> lfm, but no 3 million usd isn't *that* much money
 944 2011-05-23 05:28:06 <phantomcircuit> lfm, so i doubt it
 945 2011-05-23 05:28:38 <lfm> there are people on the web with homebrew wirewrap computers and stuff they got running
 946 2011-05-23 05:28:55 <lfm> their own design
 947 2011-05-23 05:29:15 <gmaxwell> lfm: and then there are people building these things in minecraft...
 948 2011-05-23 05:29:19 <phantomcircuit> lol the potato server
 949 2011-05-23 05:29:24 <phantomcircuit> lfm, classics
 950 2011-05-23 05:29:38 <lfm> well minecraft is just another simulation
 951 2011-05-23 05:30:06 <phantomcircuit> does anybody know if the bignum size limitation in the script engine is permanent?
 952 2011-05-23 05:30:08 <lfm> phantomcircuit: ya even 0.5 million btc we'd likely notice it seems
 953 2011-05-23 05:30:13 <phantomcircuit> (it's limited to 31 bits + sign)
 954 2011-05-23 05:30:32 <phantomcircuit> lfm, yeah it would be basically all of the first blocks which would be super obvious
 955 2011-05-23 05:31:12 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rbdf8530d7bc0 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/helperscripts/bitcoin-otc-gpg-eauth-colloquy.applescript: GPG: add colloquy script for gpg eauth. Thanks pnicholson. http://tinyurl.com/4xmq84m
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 957 2011-05-23 05:31:18 <phantomcircuit> http://blockexplorer.com/b/50
 958 2011-05-23 05:31:22 <phantomcircuit> so im guessing he isn't
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 960 2011-05-23 05:32:48 <midnightmagic> phantomcircuit: not necessarily, if he just sent the wallet(s) themselves out.
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 962 2011-05-23 05:33:18 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, true
 963 2011-05-23 05:33:30 <phantomcircuit> im guessing he lost a bunch of them actually
 964 2011-05-23 05:33:31 <phantomcircuit> lol
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 969 2011-05-23 05:34:08 <kika_> whats the name of the ati catalyst package for fedora 14 ?
 970 2011-05-23 05:34:11 <lfm> jeez wouldnt that be a kick in the ass
 971 2011-05-23 05:34:43 <jgarzik> kika_: there is one?
 972 2011-05-23 05:34:58 <phantomcircuit> lfm, lol it really would
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 974 2011-05-23 05:35:24 <kika_> jgarzik: i have no idea, im just about to finish the fedora 14 installation, wondering where ill download the ati drivers for the 6990 card from, do you know?
 975 2011-05-23 05:35:27 <phantomcircuit> also
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 977 2011-05-23 05:35:39 <phantomcircuit> the big nums in the script use an openssl specific bin format
 978 2011-05-23 05:35:41 <kika_> jgarzik: what would be the recommened way to install catalyst for ati 6990 on fedora 14 ?
 979 2011-05-23 05:35:46 <phantomcircuit> silly ness with the sign bit
 980 2011-05-23 05:35:51 <jgarzik> kika_: I downloaded from AMD, and ran their install pkg
 981 2011-05-23 05:36:06 <midnightmagic> yeah, I did that too..
 982 2011-05-23 05:36:16 <kika_> jgarzik: okay ill do that, whats the fastest miner i can use on fedora 14 for my 6990 card? phoenix ?
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 984 2011-05-23 05:36:52 <lfm> any of the opencl are pretty close to the same, use whatever you like best
 985 2011-05-23 05:37:04 <jgarzik> kika_: ask on #bitcoin-mining.  convention wisdom seems to be "sdk 2.1 for 5xxx, sdk 2.4 for 6xxx".  as for miner, poclbm is a favorite.
 986 2011-05-23 05:37:20 <jgarzik> kika_: but it's money in your pocket, it's worth it to check...
 987 2011-05-23 05:37:26 <jgarzik> kika_: play around with aticonfig too
 988 2011-05-23 05:37:33 <midnightmagic> is poclbm as fast as the phatk kernel yet?
 989 2011-05-23 05:37:47 <kika_> jgarzik: uhmm do you think ill need to install many dependencies to get poclbm working on fedora 14 ?
 990 2011-05-23 05:37:55 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: depends on the GPU, I think
 991 2011-05-23 05:38:09 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: no, but mine is
 992 2011-05-23 05:38:17 <jgarzik> kika_: I only needed ati driver, ati sdk, icd reg, pyopencl, poclbm
 993 2011-05-23 05:38:21 <Diablo-D3> assuming we're talking about phatk on 2.4 on the few machines it actually wins
 994 2011-05-23 05:38:30 <Diablo-D3> phatk on 2.1 does nothing.
 995 2011-05-23 05:38:32 <jgarzik> kika_: just did a F14 setup for my 2x5870 rig
 996 2011-05-23 05:38:57 <kika_> jgarzik: so you installed icd reg, pyopencl via? .tar.gz ? packages?
 997 2011-05-23 05:38:57 <Diablo-D3> on my 5850@765, -v 3 -w 128 on sdk 2.4 does 300, vs -v 2 -w 128 doing 300 on 2.1
 998 2011-05-23 05:39:01 <Diablo-D3> its like fucking magic
 999 2011-05-23 05:39:21 <jgarzik> kika_: tarball.  I imagine someone has packaged it somewhere, but I didn't google around.
1000 2011-05-23 05:39:42 <jfksir> Diablo-D3: i'm running a 5850 - it was going 330 for a day then it decided to go only 300
1001 2011-05-23 05:39:46 <jfksir> i'm still confused
1002 2011-05-23 05:39:47 <jgarzik> kika_: just followed this, which is non-pkg install: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=1334.msg45364#msg45364
1003 2011-05-23 05:39:55 <Diablo-D3> jfksir: windows?
1004 2011-05-23 05:39:59 <jfksir> yeah
1005 2011-05-23 05:40:07 <kika_> jgarzik: ok thxs ill do that too
1006 2011-05-23 05:40:09 <Diablo-D3> I noticed a nasty problem when I finally got around to testing it
1007 2011-05-23 05:40:18 <Diablo-D3> I ran it on windows like 2 days ago
1008 2011-05-23 05:40:23 <Diablo-D3> shortly after I made a commit
1009 2011-05-23 05:40:26 <Diablo-D3> -f now defaults to 30
1010 2011-05-23 05:40:31 <Diablo-D3> because vista/7 suck dick
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1012 2011-05-23 05:41:46 <kika_> do you guys had any luck with clonezilla to clone linux systems?
1013 2011-05-23 05:42:22 <Diablo-D3> I just use rsync while booted from a livecd
1014 2011-05-23 05:42:25 <phantomcircuit> kika_, eh i just dd
1015 2011-05-23 05:42:36 <Diablo-D3> rsync -avHxAX /old /new
1016 2011-05-23 05:42:37 <Diablo-D3> bam
1017 2011-05-23 05:42:39 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: dont
1018 2011-05-23 05:42:45 <Diablo-D3> that copies the entire filesystem as is
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1020 2011-05-23 05:42:51 <phantomcircuit> yes im aware
1021 2011-05-23 05:42:55 <Diablo-D3> including all fragmentation and everything
1022 2011-05-23 05:43:01 <Diablo-D3> and its also not sized right for the target partition
1023 2011-05-23 05:43:01 <phantomcircuit> yes im aware
1024 2011-05-23 05:43:02 <kika_> phantomcircuit: what if the hard disk are different size?
1025 2011-05-23 05:43:11 <Diablo-D3> kika_: use my command instead
1026 2011-05-23 05:43:12 <phantomcircuit> kika_, resize2fs
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1028 2011-05-23 05:43:57 <kika_> Diablo-D3: i need to clone a whole system
1029 2011-05-23 05:43:59 <Diablo-D3> do you know how old my debian install is?
1030 2011-05-23 05:44:01 <Diablo-D3> its like 8 years.
1031 2011-05-23 05:44:04 <kika_> plus the partition table
1032 2011-05-23 05:44:04 <Diablo-D3> kika_: yes, so?
1033 2011-05-23 05:44:08 <Diablo-D3> ahh
1034 2011-05-23 05:44:09 <phantomcircuit> lol
1035 2011-05-23 05:44:11 <Diablo-D3> thats kind of pointless
1036 2011-05-23 05:44:17 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, -a, --archive               archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X)
1037 2011-05-23 05:44:19 <phantomcircuit> notice anything?
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1039 2011-05-23 05:44:22 <kika_> or almost i need to create a valid booteable linux
1040 2011-05-23 05:44:30 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: -a has added things in the past few years
1041 2011-05-23 05:44:37 <Diablo-D3> Ive been using this command for, literally, 8 years
1042 2011-05-23 05:44:54 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, not what i meant
1043 2011-05-23 05:45:02 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: and notice -a doesnt include v and x
1044 2011-05-23 05:45:08 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, not what i meant
1045 2011-05-23 05:45:15 <Diablo-D3> you misread it
1046 2011-05-23 05:45:18 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt say you cant use HAX
1047 2011-05-23 05:45:23 <Diablo-D3> it just doesnt include them
1048 2011-05-23 05:45:26 <phantomcircuit> hehe
1049 2011-05-23 05:45:27 <phantomcircuit> hax
1050 2011-05-23 05:45:31 <Diablo-D3> yes, HAX
1051 2011-05-23 05:45:37 <phantomcircuit> ITS A JOKE
1052 2011-05-23 05:45:40 <phantomcircuit> jebus
1053 2011-05-23 05:45:45 <Diablo-D3> IT WAS FUNNY 8 YEARS AGO
1054 2011-05-23 05:45:56 <Diablo-D3> I moved the v over in my command just to avoid it
1055 2011-05-23 05:46:04 <phantomcircuit> lol
1056 2011-05-23 05:46:08 <kika_> so if i have a 80 Gb that has a 10Gb linux partition on it
1057 2011-05-23 05:46:11 <kika_> and i have another empty hard disk
1058 2011-05-23 05:46:20 <kika_> thats 160 Gb in size
1059 2011-05-23 05:46:24 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, why -x?
1060 2011-05-23 05:46:37 <kika_> whats the recommended way to clone the linux system on the 80gb disk to the 160gb disk?
1061 2011-05-23 05:46:51 <kika_> i want the system to be booteable
1062 2011-05-23 05:46:55 <Diablo-D3> kika_: recreate the partition table and rsync the roots.
1063 2011-05-23 05:47:36 <kika_> Diablo-D3: i need to do it over the network, basically i can go changing physically the hard disks between the pcs, thats why i was thinking clonezilla might help
1064 2011-05-23 05:47:43 <kika_> *i cant go
1065 2011-05-23 05:47:53 <Diablo-D3> you can rsync over networks
1066 2011-05-23 05:48:07 <Diablo-D3> but you need two livecds and the rsync daemon running on the target box
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1068 2011-05-23 05:48:22 * Diablo-D3 has done it.
1069 2011-05-23 05:48:29 <midnightmagic> dump/restore works okay too.
1070 2011-05-23 05:48:32 <kika_> Diablo-D3: i see and how do i recreate the partition table on the 160 gb disk?
1071 2011-05-23 05:48:44 <erbs> sup bro
1072 2011-05-23 05:48:47 <kika_> Diablo-D3: gparted?
1073 2011-05-23 05:49:04 <kika_> Diablo-D3: wondering how to make it booteable too
1074 2011-05-23 05:49:25 <Diablo-D3> gparted
1075 2011-05-23 05:49:30 <Diablo-D3> set the partition as bootable
1076 2011-05-23 05:49:37 <Diablo-D3> and then use the livecd to install grub or w/e
1077 2011-05-23 05:50:02 <erbs> now that satoshi has sold his bitcoin for millions hes like the directv opulence guy and is probably surrounded by mini-lap-giraffes
1078 2011-05-23 05:51:03 <lulzplzkthx> Where do I get a vhost on this server? :\
1079 2011-05-23 05:51:06 <phantomcircuit> erbs, http://www.petitelapgiraffe.com/
1080 2011-05-23 05:51:15 <phantomcircuit> lulzplzkthx, #freenode, ask
1081 2011-05-23 05:51:19 <lulzplzkthx> Thanks.
1082 2011-05-23 05:51:30 <kika_> Diablo-D3: thats all? so on the second pc, i gparted it, the rsync the / then grub it, thats your recommended way to clone linux systems over the network?
1083 2011-05-23 05:51:56 <phantomcircuit> kika_, that'll work, but it'll be slow
1084 2011-05-23 05:52:14 <kika_> phantomcircuit: yes i know, so what do you recommend?
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1087 2011-05-23 05:52:57 <phantomcircuit> kika_, how much space is actually used on the system you want to copy from?
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1090 2011-05-23 05:53:12 <kika_> 4gb
1091 2011-05-23 05:53:27 <phantomcircuit> kika_, do you have a dvd? lol
1092 2011-05-23 05:53:33 <kika_> i want to be able to copy that 10Gb partition to disks of any sizes and make those disks to boot the 10Gb partition linux
1093 2011-05-23 05:53:46 <kika_> phantomcircuit: yes i have a dvd
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1095 2011-05-23 05:54:43 <phantomcircuit> well what i would do is make a tarball of the target system, compress it, then write a small initramfs to write that out from the dvd to the hdd of any system it's booted on
1096 2011-05-23 05:56:57 <kika_> phantomcircuit: k thxs
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1098 2011-05-23 05:59:00 <Diablo-D3> kika_: yes.
1099 2011-05-23 05:59:12 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: btw
1100 2011-05-23 05:59:14 <Diablo-D3> you do fail.
1101 2011-05-23 05:59:20 <Diablo-D3> rsync already compresses
1102 2011-05-23 05:59:27 <Diablo-D3> and a dvd is not 10gb big
1103 2011-05-23 05:59:44 <Diablo-D3> its also slower than gbit ethernet
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1106 2011-05-23 06:07:47 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, he said there's only 4gb of actual space being used
1107 2011-05-23 06:07:52 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, lrn2read
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1109 2011-05-23 06:08:10 <erbs> gigaboat
1110 2011-05-23 06:08:25 <phantomcircuit> also what shitty dvd burner is slower than 1 gbps?
1111 2011-05-23 06:08:51 <erbs> australian banks are offering 7% interest
1112 2011-05-23 06:09:05 <phantomcircuit> lol
1113 2011-05-23 06:09:23 <noagendamarket> heh
1114 2011-05-23 06:09:52 <noagendamarket> aussies can pick up btc cheaply because the currency is strong at the moment
1115 2011-05-23 06:10:04 <jaromil> BlueMattBot: pong
1116 2011-05-23 06:10:05 <BlueMattBot> jaromil did you mean me? Unknown command 'pong'
1117 2011-05-23 06:10:05 <BlueMattBot> Use 'BlueMattBot: help' to get help!
1118 2011-05-23 06:10:12 <jaromil> BlueMattBot: help
1119 2011-05-23 06:10:13 <jaromil> ahahah
1120 2011-05-23 06:10:13 <BlueMattBot> Available commands:
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1123 2011-05-23 06:10:19 <BlueMattBot> s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
1124 2011-05-23 06:10:20 <BlueMattBot> schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
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1126 2011-05-23 06:10:26 <jaromil> meh
1127 2011-05-23 06:10:32 <phantomcircuit> dude...
1128 2011-05-23 06:10:35 <jaromil> just wanted to answer bluematt
1129 2011-05-23 06:10:38 <jaromil> sry
1130 2011-05-23 06:10:43 <jaromil> goodmorning phantomcircuit :)
1131 2011-05-23 06:10:53 <vorlov> guys do u get segfault out of byobu on ubuntu? trying to run the -d -m args
1132 2011-05-23 06:10:58 <phantomcircuit> jaromil, oh snap it's morning
1133 2011-05-23 06:11:01 <phantomcircuit> hehe
1134 2011-05-23 06:11:01 <jaromil> this bot is new
1135 2011-05-23 06:11:02 <jaromil> phantomcircuit: yea
1136 2011-05-23 06:11:03 <jaromil> ahahahah
1137 2011-05-23 06:11:21 <lfm> what is byobu?
1138 2011-05-23 06:11:46 <jaromil> however, re: launchpad group on bitcoin - yes i found it a month ago and subscribed, nothing really on it but some rare bugreports about how things don't work on ubuntu
1139 2011-05-23 06:11:59 <jaromil> told them wx2.9 needs be from svn but no response
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1141 2011-05-23 06:13:02 <Diablo-D3> [02:01:14] <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, he said there's only 4gb of actual space being used
1142 2011-05-23 06:13:02 <Diablo-D3> [02:01:19] <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, lrn2read
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1144 2011-05-23 06:13:17 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, although i am wrong about the gbps
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1146 2011-05-23 06:13:25 <Diablo-D3> then he can just rsync to an image, close the image, and burn it
1147 2011-05-23 06:13:26 <phantomcircuit> thought dvd burners were faster than that
1148 2011-05-23 06:13:32 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: lol no
1149 2011-05-23 06:13:38 <Diablo-D3> they dont do 125mb/sec.
1150 2011-05-23 06:13:38 <phantomcircuit> that's pretty sad
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1163 2011-05-23 06:34:11 <MemoryException> Can anyone explain why when H==0x5be0cd19 it means that it was a valid hash?  Is this something to do with a two stage SHA-256 algorithm?
1164 2011-05-23 06:34:57 <mtrlt> the actual condition is H==0
1165 2011-05-23 06:35:07 <MemoryException> well, yes... after adding 0x5be0cd19
1166 2011-05-23 06:35:10 <mtrlt> but the code doesn't do a couple of adds
1167 2011-05-23 06:35:21 <mtrlt> (at least my code)
1168 2011-05-23 06:35:49 <MemoryException> hmmm it looks like H is initialized to 0x5be0cd19 before the second round hash.  Then, after the SHA-256 64 rounds, it will add 0x5be0cd19 and then check H == 0
1169 2011-05-23 06:36:10 <mtrlt> yea it's one of the initialization values for sha-256
1170 2011-05-23 06:36:14 ntosme21 has quit (Client Quit)
1171 2011-05-23 06:36:29 <mtrlt> read on wikipedia or something, how sha-256 works
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1173 2011-05-23 06:36:57 <Diablo-D3> MemoryException: it doesnt mean its a valid hash
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1175 2011-05-23 06:37:01 <Diablo-D3> it means its a valid canidate
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1178 2011-05-23 06:37:35 <MemoryException> so, the GPU just finds candidates, and the computer confirms them?
1179 2011-05-23 06:37:44 <Diablo-D3> yes
1180 2011-05-23 06:38:03 <lfm> or rejects them
1181 2011-05-23 06:38:13 <Diablo-D3> yes, most are rejected
1182 2011-05-23 06:38:15 <MemoryException> hmm interesting. and it's possible for the GPU to find multiple candidates before finishing all 2^32 possible nonces?
1183 2011-05-23 06:38:21 <Diablo-D3> yes
1184 2011-05-23 06:38:28 <lfm> ;;bc,diff
1185 2011-05-23 06:38:29 <gribble> 244139.48158254
1186 2011-05-23 06:38:32 <Diablo-D3> thats why my miner has multiple bins
1187 2011-05-23 06:38:42 <Diablo-D3> although I should cut down on the number of bins
1188 2011-05-23 06:38:47 <lfm> ya about 244 thousand rejects for one good one
1189 2011-05-23 06:38:54 <Diablo-D3> lfm: well
1190 2011-05-23 06:38:57 <Diablo-D3> at diff 1
1191 2011-05-23 06:39:01 <Diablo-D3> its half are rejected
1192 2011-05-23 06:39:13 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,diff
1193 2011-05-23 06:39:13 <gribble> 244139.48158254
1194 2011-05-23 06:39:20 <Diablo-D3> so 244*2 are rejected currently.
1195 2011-05-23 06:39:22 <Diablo-D3> er
1196 2011-05-23 06:39:24 <Diablo-D3> 244k*2
1197 2011-05-23 06:39:27 <MemoryException> how does the computer determine whether to reject or accept them? it checks them against the threshold given by the server?
1198 2011-05-23 06:39:38 <Diablo-D3> MemoryException: it checks G and optionally F
1199 2011-05-23 06:39:50 <lfm> Diablo-D3: you're thinking testnet maybe, on main net its just the diff straight
1200 2011-05-23 06:40:00 <Diablo-D3> lfm: diff 1 == 1 in 2^33
1201 2011-05-23 06:40:07 <mtrlt> nope
1202 2011-05-23 06:40:07 <Diablo-D3> H is an int, thus 2^32
1203 2011-05-23 06:40:16 <mtrlt> diff 1 is target 0x0000FFFF00000..
1204 2011-05-23 06:40:20 <mtrlt> no
1205 2011-05-23 06:40:23 <mtrlt> 0x00000000FFFF00000 ..
1206 2011-05-23 06:40:33 <mtrlt> therefore almost 1 in 2^32
1207 2011-05-23 06:40:39 <Diablo-D3> 8 zeros, 4 Fs, rest zeros.
1208 2011-05-23 06:40:56 <Diablo-D3> in a hex string, 8 zeros is 32 bits of the number 0
1209 2011-05-23 06:40:59 <lfm> ya, thats not half
1210 2011-05-23 06:41:23 <mtrlt> most pools give a target of 8 zeros, rest Fs
1211 2011-05-23 06:41:34 <Diablo-D3> mtrlt: which is incorrect
1212 2011-05-23 06:41:43 <lfm> which is very close to the same
1213 2011-05-23 06:41:46 <mtrlt> a target cannot be incorrect
1214 2011-05-23 06:41:51 <MemoryException> why was the decision made for the GPU to only check H? did it end up being faster to store the candidates in bins and let the CPU decide, over having the extra comparisons on the GPU?
1215 2011-05-23 06:41:52 <mtrlt> it's all the same for the pool what the target is
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1217 2011-05-23 06:42:05 <lfm> MemoryException: just easier
1218 2011-05-23 06:42:11 <mtrlt> MemoryException: yes, afaik branches are expensive on gpus
1219 2011-05-23 06:42:26 <Diablo-D3> 2^32 - 0xFFFF0000 is 65536
1220 2011-05-23 06:42:33 <MemoryException> yes, I expect they would be...
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1222 2011-05-23 06:43:05 <mtrlt> Diablo-D3: yea?
1223 2011-05-23 06:43:09 <Diablo-D3> so...
1224 2011-05-23 06:43:09 <lfm> so h=0 is praticlly the same as diff = 1
1225 2011-05-23 06:43:13 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: where are you
1226 2011-05-23 06:43:29 <mtrlt> lfm: yep
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1228 2011-05-23 06:43:42 <kika__> does anyone know how i can solve this
1229 2011-05-23 06:43:45 <lfm> off by 1 in 64k
1230 2011-05-23 06:43:46 <kika__> .../usr/bin/ld: note: 'glOrtho' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 so try adding it to the linker command line /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
1231 2011-05-23 06:44:38 <Diablo-D3> kika__: duh, -lGL
1232 2011-05-23 06:44:54 <Diablo-D3> actually, no
1233 2011-05-23 06:44:56 <Diablo-D3> your shits fucked
1234 2011-05-23 06:44:57 <Diablo-D3> go fix it
1235 2011-05-23 06:45:01 <kika__> i just ran make on the StreamSDK for linux
1236 2011-05-23 06:45:06 <kika__> and it gave me that error
1237 2011-05-23 06:45:14 <MemoryException> cool.  thanks everyone
1238 2011-05-23 06:45:34 <Diablo-D3> kika__: dont.
1239 2011-05-23 06:45:35 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i ran make for AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx3
1240 2011-05-23 06:45:41 <Diablo-D3> kika__: you do not need to run make
1241 2011-05-23 06:45:49 <Diablo-D3> infact, dont run make.
1242 2011-05-23 06:45:53 <kika__> i see
1243 2011-05-23 06:45:57 <kika__> i just ran make clean now
1244 2011-05-23 06:46:02 <Diablo-D3> you just made it worse.
1245 2011-05-23 06:46:10 <ninjaneo> hm, I'm not able to get pushpool up, socket(PF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP) = -1 EAFNOSUPPORT (Address family not supported by protocol)
1246 2011-05-23 06:46:10 <kika__> basically im trying to get poclbm to work on linux
1247 2011-05-23 06:46:19 <ninjaneo> is ipv6 required?
1248 2011-05-23 06:46:20 <Diablo-D3> kika__: whats so hard about that
1249 2011-05-23 06:46:40 <lfm> ninjaneo: shouldnt be needed
1250 2011-05-23 06:46:51 <kika__> i just need to find a way to install the AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx3
1251 2011-05-23 06:46:51 <Diablo-D3> kika__: delete your unzipped copy, unzip it again
1252 2011-05-23 06:46:51 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, your kernel needs to have been compiled with support for ipv6
1253 2011-05-23 06:47:00 <Diablo-D3> kika__: you dont install it
1254 2011-05-23 06:47:04 <ninjaneo> ok
1255 2011-05-23 06:47:15 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, you dont actually need an ipv6 addr
1256 2011-05-23 06:47:16 <Diablo-D3> you just export LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG=/path/to/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86
1257 2011-05-23 06:47:18 <ninjaneo> i was hoping there was like a --without-ipv6
1258 2011-05-23 06:47:23 <ninjaneo> k
1259 2011-05-23 06:47:39 <kika__> Diablo-D3: okay i just deleted and unzipped again now ?
1260 2011-05-23 06:47:47 <Diablo-D3> kika__: [02:40:43] <Diablo-D3> you just export LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG=/path/to/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86
1261 2011-05-23 06:47:49 <lfm> kika there are instructions you should have read first
1262 2011-05-23 06:48:14 <Diablo-D3> kika__: and cd /; sudo tar zxvf /path/to/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/icd-registration.tgz
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1264 2011-05-23 06:48:27 <kika__> Diablo-D3: k, thxs, thats all?
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1266 2011-05-23 06:48:59 <Diablo-D3> kika__: you have to run the export command every time you close your bash session
1267 2011-05-23 06:49:04 <Diablo-D3> most people add it to their .bashrc
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1269 2011-05-23 06:49:55 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i see, thats all?
1270 2011-05-23 06:50:24 <lfm> thats for sdk, vid drivers are also needed
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1272 2011-05-23 06:51:50 <Diablo-D3> kika__: yes, and obviously fglrx installed
1273 2011-05-23 06:52:20 <kika__> Diablo-D3: fglrx installed means the catalyst thingy installed, right?
1274 2011-05-23 06:52:43 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
1275 2011-05-23 06:52:44 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.1231,"vol":40334,"buy":7.1019,"sell":7.2083,"last":7.2092}}
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1277 2011-05-23 06:53:19 <lfm> kika ya
1278 2011-05-23 06:53:30 <kika__> okay i just ran the catalyst .run
1279 2011-05-23 06:53:33 <kika__> its asking me..
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1282 2011-05-23 06:53:42 <Diablo-D3> kika__: bzzt wrong.
1283 2011-05-23 06:53:44 <Diablo-D3> you do not use the .run
1284 2011-05-23 06:53:52 <Diablo-D3> it fucks your system up if you're a noob
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1286 2011-05-23 06:53:56 <Diablo-D3> it even has noob detection code
1287 2011-05-23 06:54:03 <kika__> install driver 8.5 on X.org 6.9 or later .... OR generate Distribution specific driver package
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1289 2011-05-23 06:54:21 <kika__> Diablo-D3: so how i need to install this? im on fedora 14
1290 2011-05-23 06:55:02 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1291 2011-05-23 06:55:03 <gribble> Current Blocks: 125949 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 1058 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 372538.49855608
1292 2011-05-23 06:55:04 <kika__> Diablo-D3: if i dont install this via the .run ill install it via?
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1294 2011-05-23 06:55:45 <Diablo-D3> kika__: your OS.
1295 2011-05-23 06:55:54 <Diablo-D3> fedra 14 has fglrx packaged.
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1297 2011-05-23 06:56:18 <kika__> Diablo-D3: add/remove programs menu on fedora 14 ?
1298 2011-05-23 06:57:28 <Diablo-D3> who knows
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1301 2011-05-23 06:57:30 <Diablo-D3> I dont use fedora
1302 2011-05-23 06:57:33 <Diablo-D3> ask in ##fedora
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1305 2011-05-23 06:58:54 <kika__> Diablo-D3: fglrx seems to be too old if i install it via package, ill just install it via .run
1306 2011-05-23 07:00:01 <kika__> actually i think i found it http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=155503
1307 2011-05-23 07:00:02 <kika__> :)
1308 2011-05-23 07:01:20 <kika__> Diablo-D3: thxs
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1310 2011-05-23 07:01:42 <kika__> its upgrading the kernel hopefully it wont give trouble
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1314 2011-05-23 07:05:18 <Diablo-D3> kika__: do NOT use the run
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1317 2011-05-23 07:07:46 <lfm> too late
1318 2011-05-23 07:08:03 <Guest89541> I have a question. my network has to connect internet via http proxy, but i only see socket4 option in bitCoin. does bitCoin only support socket4 proxy?
1319 2011-05-23 07:08:04 <kika__> Diablo-D3: okay i installed fxglr without the run thing, now i have to reebot
1320 2011-05-23 07:08:05 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i installed the package catalyst
1321 2011-05-23 07:08:25 <kika__> Installed:   akmod-catalyst.i686 0:11.4-1.fc14                                                xorg-x11-drv-catalyst.i686 0:11.4-1.fc14                                         xorg-x11-drv-catalyst-libs.i686 0:11.4-1.fc14
1322 2011-05-23 07:08:35 <kika__> Diablo-D3: thats what you wanted, right ?
1323 2011-05-23 07:08:41 <Diablo-D3> looks new enough
1324 2011-05-23 07:08:48 <Diablo-D3> what hardware are you on?
1325 2011-05-23 07:08:56 <kika__> Diablo-D3: im on 6990 ati
1326 2011-05-23 07:09:11 <Diablo-D3> yeah thats new enough
1327 2011-05-23 07:09:11 <kika__> Diablo-D3: semprom am3
1328 2011-05-23 07:09:21 <kika__> okay ill reebot and hopefully everything will work ?
1329 2011-05-23 07:09:48 <Diablo-D3> in theory.
1330 2011-05-23 07:10:06 <kika__> lol k, brb
1331 2011-05-23 07:10:07 <lfm> guestya Not sure what the difference is really mysel;f
1332 2011-05-23 07:10:08 <kika__> gotta reebot
1333 2011-05-23 07:10:25 <Guest89541> hi guys, is there anyone can answer my question? does bitCoin only support socket4 proxy?
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1335 2011-05-23 07:10:58 <lfm> Guest89541: ya, not sure what the difference is, did you just try it anyway?
1336 2011-05-23 07:12:55 <Guest89541> thank you for your reply . ~ :) y, i tried it. http proxy not work at all. there isn't any connections or blocks.
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1338 2011-05-23 07:14:34 <lfm> Guest89541: ok well I guess you cant use bitcoin app then, you should still be able to use mybitcoin.com to trade bitcoins if you need to
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1342 2011-05-23 07:20:11 <kika_> wondering why i lost internet connection after kernel upgrade??
1343 2011-05-23 07:20:49 <kika_> Diablo-D3: i just reeboted however the pc now doesnt has internet
1344 2011-05-23 07:21:38 <kika_> Diablo-D3: plus that fglrx wasnt installed :/
1345 2011-05-23 07:22:48 <Diablo-D3> fedora sucks
1346 2011-05-23 07:22:50 <Diablo-D3> why are we using it
1347 2011-05-23 07:22:58 <lfm> I aint
1348 2011-05-23 07:23:06 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, which version of bdb is the binary built with?
1349 2011-05-23 07:23:12 <Diablo-D3> 4.7
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1351 2011-05-23 07:25:51 <kika_> Diablo-D3: your suggestions to not run the .run runied my system :(
1352 2011-05-23 07:26:31 <Diablo-D3> kika_: .run usually ruins systems for noobs.
1353 2011-05-23 07:26:37 <Diablo-D3> kika_: take it up with ##fedora
1354 2011-05-23 07:26:44 <jaromil> Diablo-D3: are you referring to all bitcoin clients distributed right now?
1355 2011-05-23 07:26:44 <Diablo-D3> or just fucking install ubuntu or debian
1356 2011-05-23 07:26:50 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: yes
1357 2011-05-23 07:26:51 <jaromil> i mean, distributed in binary
1358 2011-05-23 07:26:53 <jaromil> ok thanks
1359 2011-05-23 07:26:55 <Diablo-D3> though I think osx MIGHT use 4.8
1360 2011-05-23 07:26:59 <jaromil> yea
1361 2011-05-23 07:27:00 <Diablo-D3> I cant remember if they fixed that yet
1362 2011-05-23 07:27:04 <jaromil> i think i got mislead by that
1363 2011-05-23 07:27:13 <jaromil> and assumed were all 4.8
1364 2011-05-23 07:29:14 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1365 2011-05-23 07:29:16 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
1366 2011-05-23 07:29:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 125955 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 1052 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 18 hours, 50 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 372661.35704277
1367 2011-05-23 07:29:17 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.1231,"vol":40896,"buy":7.2002,"sell":7.28,"last":7.1901}}
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1369 2011-05-23 07:29:40 <kika_> Diablo-D3: actually it seems to only be a resolv.conf issue, its not resolving DNS requests only
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1371 2011-05-23 07:32:02 <lfm> dhcp issue?
1372 2011-05-23 07:32:06 <ninjaneo> ok so I recompiled kernel with ipv6, and im getting closer to getting pushpoold up and running, is there docs somewhere on how to setup the pwdb?
1373 2011-05-23 07:32:25 * necrodearia nibbles on nameless| 
1374 2011-05-23 07:32:32 <ninjaneo> i keep getting  pwdb sql step 1 failed: file is encrypted or is not a database
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1380 2011-05-23 07:44:50 <Blueye> hi
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1384 2011-05-23 07:50:40 <kika__> Diablo-D3: how do i know if i installed the drivers correctly ?
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1386 2011-05-23 07:50:59 <Theaxiom> So what is up with the irc botnet network?
1387 2011-05-23 07:51:07 <Diablo-D3> kika__: it works.
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1389 2011-05-23 07:51:31 <Theaxiom> I just discovered bitcoin and was reviewing the source and found an IRC server/channel and there are thousands of users in there...
1390 2011-05-23 07:51:46 <kika__> Diablo-D3: X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid reque thats what fglrxinfo command gives me but its supposed to give me a list of devices?
1391 2011-05-23 07:52:17 <Diablo-D3> kika__: are you executing that from inside of X?
1392 2011-05-23 07:52:35 <kika__> Diablo-D3: yes, im on KDE right now, i run it on a xterm
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1394 2011-05-23 07:53:01 <kika__> [root@localhost max]# fglrxinfo  X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)   Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX)   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)   Serial number of failed request:  14   Current serial number in output stream:  14
1395 2011-05-23 07:53:20 <Diablo-D3> kika__: just install ubuntu or debian
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1397 2011-05-23 07:55:15 <Theaxiom> anyone have an answer to that question?
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1399 2011-05-23 07:56:13 <Diablo-D3> Theaxiom: I did not see a question
1400 2011-05-23 07:56:14 <ersi> Theaxiom: Yeah, it's for Peer to peer Bootstrapping
1401 2011-05-23 07:56:23 <ersi> Diablo-D3: He asked about the Bootstrap IRC channel
1402 2011-05-23 07:56:25 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, hey you here?
1403 2011-05-23 07:56:35 <MagicalTux> yes
1404 2011-05-23 07:56:52 <Diablo-D3> he made a statement about it.
1405 2011-05-23 07:56:53 <Theaxiom> ersi, ahh that makes sense
1406 2011-05-23 07:57:11 <ersi> Theaxiom: Indeed :)
1407 2011-05-23 07:57:26 <Theaxiom> ersi, that is not exactly decentralized, lol
1408 2011-05-23 07:57:36 <Theaxiom> ersi, does the client accept any commands via IRC?
1409 2011-05-23 07:58:04 <ersi> AFAIK it's only to find each others, everything else is done over own client <> client connections
1410 2011-05-23 07:58:05 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit, you needed something?
1411 2011-05-23 07:58:18 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, yes the depth of market graph is like cripplingly slow
1412 2011-05-23 07:58:44 <phantomcircuit> my poor netbook takes about 2 minutes to load the graph
1413 2011-05-23 07:58:46 <ninjaneo> heh i just disabled pwdb functionality, woot
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1415 2011-05-23 07:58:50 <ersi> Diablo-D3: Ah, heh. True.
1416 2011-05-23 07:59:18 <MagicalTux> mh
1417 2011-05-23 07:59:34 <MagicalTux> I guess it's linked to the fact that when the price gets higher, the amount of returned data increases
1418 2011-05-23 07:59:41 <Theaxiom> ersi, what if a govt decides to seize that IP address?
1419 2011-05-23 07:59:53 <Theaxiom> ersi, wouldn't that effectively hinder the p2p network?
1420 2011-05-23 08:00:04 <Theaxiom> ersi, are there other ways to manually bootstrap onto the network?
1421 2011-05-23 08:00:51 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, wah
1422 2011-05-23 08:01:18 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, oh you only return data for a range around the last trade price?
1423 2011-05-23 08:01:26 <MagicalTux> yu
1424 2011-05-23 08:01:27 <MagicalTux> p
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1426 2011-05-23 08:01:48 <phantomcircuit> well that explains why my ask @ 10k doesn't show up
1427 2011-05-23 08:01:50 <phantomcircuit> lol
1428 2011-05-23 08:01:57 <Namegduf> Theaxiom: Yes. You can use -addnode and a fallback node.
1429 2011-05-23 08:02:13 <Theaxiom> Namegduf, good, thanks
1430 2011-05-23 08:02:38 <Theaxiom> Namegduf, I have designed a decentralized P2P network before, that is why I am asking these questions. Sorry if I am too nosey.
1431 2011-05-23 08:02:49 <Namegduf> No problem at all.
1432 2011-05-23 08:03:06 <Theaxiom> Namegduf, is there a command prompt for the windows client?
1433 2011-05-23 08:03:16 <Namegduf> Not sure.
1434 2011-05-23 08:03:19 <Theaxiom> Namegduf, I am looking through the rpc.cpp file and can see commands
1435 2011-05-23 08:06:27 <sipa> the binary is both gui, rpc server and rpc client
1436 2011-05-23 08:06:47 <sipa> depending on how you call it
1437 2011-05-23 08:06:48 <ersi> Theaxiom: Like Namegduf said, you can add nodes manually
1438 2011-05-23 08:06:58 <Theaxiom> sipa, it also appears to have a REST client, is that true?
1439 2011-05-23 08:07:53 <sipa> no idea what you mean
1440 2011-05-23 08:08:03 <Theaxiom> sipa, it has JSON-RPC
1441 2011-05-23 08:08:08 <sipa> yes
1442 2011-05-23 08:08:17 <Theaxiom> sipa, does it do that through the web?
1443 2011-05-23 08:08:57 <ersi> You communicate with the clients with RPC
1444 2011-05-23 08:09:15 <sipa> json rpc =  funcrion args serialized in json transmitted over http
1445 2011-05-23 08:09:26 <sipa> function
1446 2011-05-23 08:09:28 <Theaxiom> sipa, that would be a REST client then :)
1447 2011-05-23 08:10:22 <sipa> not really - rest is just an idea, but typically says something about how urls refer to data
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1449 2011-05-23 08:10:46 <sipa> (among other things)
1450 2011-05-23 08:11:18 <sipa> the url is very non-rest-like here
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1452 2011-05-23 08:12:45 <kika__> Diablo-D3: well.. the .run worked...
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1460 2011-05-23 08:23:26 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
1461 2011-05-23 08:23:27 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.1231,"vol":40362,"buy":7.141,"sell":7.24,"last":7.1447}}
1462 2011-05-23 08:26:08 <kika__> Diablo-D3: [max@localhost x86]$ ./HelloCL ./HelloCL: error while loading shared libraries: libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1463 2011-05-23 08:26:32 <kika__> [max@localhost x86]$ locate libOpenCL.so.1 /home/max/Downloads/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86/libOpenCL.so.1
1464 2011-05-23 08:26:37 <kika__> weird
1465 2011-05-23 08:26:45 <kika__> wondering why it doesnt finds it
1466 2011-05-23 08:27:25 <Diablo-D3> because you didnt follow instructions
1467 2011-05-23 08:27:43 <Diablo-D3> [02:40:43] <Diablo-D3> you just export LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG=/path/to/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86
1468 2011-05-23 08:28:29 <kika__> Diablo-D3: im already doing that export before call HelloCL
1469 2011-05-23 08:29:09 <Diablo-D3> did you forget to cd /; tar zxvf /path/to/AMD-APP/icd-registration.tgz?
1470 2011-05-23 08:29:12 <Diablo-D3> er sudo tar
1471 2011-05-23 08:29:19 <gjs278> what the hell is that icd crap for
1472 2011-05-23 08:29:28 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i already did that too
1473 2011-05-23 08:29:33 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: allows you to use driver specific backends
1474 2011-05-23 08:29:41 <Diablo-D3> kika__: obviously you're doing something wrong
1475 2011-05-23 08:30:18 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: they're just textfiles with filenames in them
1476 2011-05-23 08:30:36 <kika__> [root@localhost /]# tar xzvf /home/max/Downloads/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/icd-registration.tgz etc/ etc/OpenCL/ etc/OpenCL/vendors/ etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl64.icd etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl32.ic
1477 2011-05-23 08:30:40 <gjs278> the 5850 paid itself off today at this exchange rate
1478 2011-05-23 08:30:55 <gjs278> not including mail in rebate because I might expect to never get it back
1479 2011-05-23 08:31:00 <kika__> [max@localhost x86]$ export LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG=/home/max/Downloads/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86 [max@localhost x86]$ ./HelloCL ./HelloCL: error while loading shared libraries: libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [max@localhost x86]$ locate libOpenCL.so.1 /home/max/Downloads/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86/libOpenCL.so.1
1480 2011-05-23 08:31:39 <Diablo-D3> kika__: try adding a / to the end of that LD_LIBARY_CONFIG
1481 2011-05-23 08:31:58 <kika__> [max@localhost x86]$ export LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG=/home/max/Downloads/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86/ [max@localhost x86]$ ./HelloCL ./HelloCL: error while loading shared libraries: libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1482 2011-05-23 08:33:14 <Diablo-D3> kika__: cop whoops
1483 2011-05-23 08:33:21 <Diablo-D3> its LD_LIBRARY_PATH
1484 2011-05-23 08:33:33 <kika__> Diablo-D3: okay, let me fix
1485 2011-05-23 08:33:37 <Diablo-D3> dealing with noobs too long, seriously
1486 2011-05-23 08:33:43 <kika__> you told me LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG :P
1487 2011-05-23 08:33:53 <kika__> thxs
1488 2011-05-23 08:33:58 <kika__> ill try _PATH
1489 2011-05-23 08:34:00 <kika__> and let you know
1490 2011-05-23 08:35:18 <kika__> cool it works now!
1491 2011-05-23 08:35:19 <kika__> thxs!
1492 2011-05-23 08:37:54 <kika__> Diablo-D3: it doesnt work if i place it on bash_profile btw
1493 2011-05-23 08:38:11 <kika__> Diablo-D3: probably it needs to be placed in bashrc
1494 2011-05-23 08:38:18 <Diablo-D3> I said .bashrc
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1498 2011-05-23 08:40:18 <kika__> Diablo-D3: k it works now
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1500 2011-05-23 08:44:03 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r80 /trunk/build.xml: Delete typo.
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1502 2011-05-23 08:46:59 <kika__> one last step :)
1503 2011-05-23 08:47:00 <kika__> [root@localhost m0mchil-poclbm-06cf386]# ./poclbm.py --help Traceback (most recent call last):   File "./poclbm.py", line 3, in <module>     import pyopencl as cl ImportError: No module named pyopencl
1504 2011-05-23 08:47:18 <Diablo-D3> kika__: just use mine instead
1505 2011-05-23 08:48:10 <kika__> Diablo-D3: yours is slow for my card
1506 2011-05-23 08:48:20 <Diablo-D3> no it isnt.
1507 2011-05-23 08:48:23 <kika__> Diablo-D3: using poclbm on my 6990 card i get 700-900Mhash
1508 2011-05-23 08:48:31 <kika__> Diablo-D3: using your miner i get 500Mhash
1509 2011-05-23 08:48:40 <Diablo-D3> did you forget tof eed it the right settings?
1510 2011-05-23 08:48:44 <kika__> Diablo-D3: unless you tell me the parameters to use?
1511 2011-05-23 08:49:00 <Diablo-D3> see, I dont know why I bother writing instructions
1512 2011-05-23 08:49:09 <Diablo-D3> -v 3 -w 128 or -v 3 -w 256
1513 2011-05-23 08:49:24 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i already followed those instructions, however those are slow for me compared to poclbm
1514 2011-05-23 08:49:30 <kika__> ill try agian now from linux
1515 2011-05-23 08:49:35 <kika__> however on windows, it was slow
1516 2011-05-23 08:49:45 <Diablo-D3> on windows windows sucks
1517 2011-05-23 08:49:57 <Diablo-D3> I made -f 30 the default now to deal with the fact windows is fail
1518 2011-05-23 08:50:31 <kika__> Diablo-D3: okay let me download diablominer now and ill let you know my hash rate
1519 2011-05-23 08:50:58 <kika__> Diablo-D3: hopefully your miner wont ahve any dependency
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1521 2011-05-23 08:51:34 <deaf> lots of bitcoin related sites xss vulns :X
1522 2011-05-23 08:51:41 <deaf> i've found atleast 5-6 today
1523 2011-05-23 08:52:05 <xandy> hi i'm using bitcoin wit linux and fluxbox and the client gui doesn't work
1524 2011-05-23 08:52:21 <xandy> bitcoin starts and does work but i don't get a qui
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1527 2011-05-23 08:52:46 <Diablo-D3> deaf: and its not like xss are hard to stop
1528 2011-05-23 08:52:48 <xandy> i already tried it wit self compiled versions of wxwidgets and bitcoin
1529 2011-05-23 08:53:11 <deaf> heh
1530 2011-05-23 08:53:42 <kika__> Diablo-D3: -d -v 3 -w 128 is giving me 330000Khash on your miner, how i can get it to the 700Mhash i need?
1531 2011-05-23 08:53:43 <deaf> cookie stealing
1532 2011-05-23 08:54:15 <Diablo-D3> kika__: is it listing both of your gpus when the miner starts up?
1533 2011-05-23 08:54:25 <kika__> Diablo-D3: yes it adds both Caymans
1534 2011-05-23 08:54:34 <kika__> Diablo-D3: and then..
1535 2011-05-23 08:54:35 <kika__> [5/23/11 10:47:08 AM] DEBUG: Forcing getwork update due to nonce saturation [5/23/11 10:47:09 AM] Block 6 found on Cayman (#2)1.5 [5/23/11 10:47:10 AM] Block 7 found on Cayman (#1)1.5 [5/23/11 10:47:26 AM] Block 8 found on Cayman (#1)9.9 [5/23/11 10:47:33 AM] Block 9 found on Cayman (#2)0.4 [5/23/11 10:47:33 AM] Block 10 found on Cayman (#1).0 [5/23/11 10:47:34 AM] Block 11 found on Cayman (#2).2 [5/23/11 10:47:41 AM] Block 12 f
1536 2011-05-23 08:54:56 <Diablo-D3> did you remember to run aticonfig --initial --adapter=all -f?
1537 2011-05-23 08:55:27 <kika__> Diablo-D3: never run that, let me do that now? i need to restart diablominer then?
1538 2011-05-23 08:55:38 <Diablo-D3> run it with sudo, then restart X
1539 2011-05-23 08:55:42 <gjs278> you'll need to restart X
1540 2011-05-23 08:55:52 <kika__> how i can restart X on fedora 14 ?
1541 2011-05-23 08:55:59 <Diablo-D3> log out then log back in
1542 2011-05-23 08:56:06 <kika__> ok
1543 2011-05-23 08:56:06 <kika__> brb
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1546 2011-05-23 08:58:21 <kika__> Diablo-D3: it works at 650000 Khash/s now
1547 2011-05-23 08:58:57 <Diablo-D3> kika__: try -v 3 -w 256
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1549 2011-05-23 09:00:43 <kika__> Diablo-D3: the problem i have with your miner is that deepbit displays less Mhash than when using poclbm when i use poclbm deepbit says me 750Mhash with yours it says only 100Mhash
1550 2011-05-23 09:01:09 <Diablo-D3> kika__: deepbit uses an average
1551 2011-05-23 09:01:13 <Diablo-D3> its also highly inaccurate
1552 2011-05-23 09:02:02 <kika__> Diablo-D3: and why it displays 700Mhash for poclbm and only 100Mhash for DiabloMiner?
1553 2011-05-23 09:02:49 <Diablo-D3> kika__: because you're not making sense, for one
1554 2011-05-23 09:03:24 <kika__> Diablo-D3: ? i just tried the -v 3  -w 256
1555 2011-05-23 09:03:34 <Diablo-D3> and what did it say?
1556 2011-05-23 09:04:03 <ersi> kika__: You can't use Deepbit.net's number as a benchmark
1557 2011-05-23 09:04:10 <ersi> It's a "Luck-o-meter" if you havn't grasped it yet
1558 2011-05-23 09:04:11 <gjs278> look at the window
1559 2011-05-23 09:04:19 <kika__> DiabloMiner is at around 600000 Khash/s ill let you know what deepbit displays after 10 min
1560 2011-05-23 09:04:19 <gjs278> and just read the hash rate there
1561 2011-05-23 09:04:30 <kika__> gjs278: which window?
1562 2011-05-23 09:04:31 <Diablo-D3> kika__: deepbit doesnt provide a hash meter
1563 2011-05-23 09:04:40 <Diablo-D3> my miner outputs a 100% accurate hash meter, use that.
1564 2011-05-23 09:04:44 <gjs278> the window that says 600000 khash
1565 2011-05-23 09:04:59 <kika__> deepbit says... 440.20 MH/s Average speed in last 10 minutes
1566 2011-05-23 09:05:01 * ersi facepalms
1567 2011-05-23 09:05:04 <gjs278> dont read deepbit
1568 2011-05-23 09:05:08 <Diablo-D3> DEEPBIT LIES
1569 2011-05-23 09:05:09 <kika__> okay
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1571 2011-05-23 09:05:11 <gjs278> everytime you look at deepbit I stab myself
1572 2011-05-23 09:05:14 <kika__> i wont read deepbit
1573 2011-05-23 09:05:15 <Diablo-D3> DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH
1574 2011-05-23 09:05:17 <gjs278> oh god please not again
1575 2011-05-23 09:05:17 <ersi> READ THE TEXT AT DEEPBIT
1576 2011-05-23 09:05:56 <ersi> Now, scroll up and read what everyone has written AGAIN.
1577 2011-05-23 09:06:29 <Diablo-D3> kika__: my miner has a hash meter. it is 100% accurate. what part are you getting confused with?
1578 2011-05-23 09:06:37 <kika__> everyone says deepbit hash meter is useless
1579 2011-05-23 09:06:55 <ersi> It is. It has no idea how many hashes you compute per minute.
1580 2011-05-23 09:07:07 <ersi> I mean, per second of course
1581 2011-05-23 09:07:19 <kika__> ersi: but it knows how many hashes you submit to them per minute
1582 2011-05-23 09:07:25 <Diablo-D3> no it doesnt.
1583 2011-05-23 09:07:27 <sipa> no
1584 2011-05-23 09:07:29 <Diablo-D3> thats not how miners work.
1585 2011-05-23 09:07:32 <sipa> you don't submit any hashes
1586 2011-05-23 09:07:34 <Namegduf> kika__: You do not submit every hash you generate
1587 2011-05-23 09:07:34 <sipa> you submit shares
1588 2011-05-23 09:07:43 <kika__> i see
1589 2011-05-23 09:07:44 <sipa> but only one in 4 billion hashes results in a share
1590 2011-05-23 09:07:44 <Namegduf> You submit potential blocks, infrequently
1591 2011-05-23 09:07:47 <kika__> so DEEPBIT LIED ME
1592 2011-05-23 09:07:49 <kika__> I HATE IT
1593 2011-05-23 09:07:49 <kika__> :P
1594 2011-05-23 09:07:50 <kika__> lol
1595 2011-05-23 09:07:51 <sipa> and those are rare
1596 2011-05-23 09:07:53 <sipa> they don't lie
1597 2011-05-23 09:07:57 <Diablo-D3> kika__: no, you cant fucking read.
1598 2011-05-23 09:08:01 <sipa> they just don't have a way for measuring it accurately
1599 2011-05-23 09:08:01 <ersi> It says so on the site. It's you who havn't read and parsed what it means.
1600 2011-05-23 09:08:10 <Diablo-D3> deepbit lists a VERY approximate value based on shares submitted recently
1601 2011-05-23 09:08:18 <Namegduf> I was a bit weireded out by the estimate being consistently about half what it should be
1602 2011-05-23 09:08:19 <Diablo-D3> its +/- 50% correct.
1603 2011-05-23 09:08:20 <Namegduf> But eh
1604 2011-05-23 09:08:29 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i see well i didnt know
1605 2011-05-23 09:08:32 <Namegduf> Either my nVidia thing is sucking or it's just a bad estimate
1606 2011-05-23 09:08:36 <ersi> Clearly.
1607 2011-05-23 09:08:36 <Namegduf> Either way, nought I could do.
1608 2011-05-23 09:08:42 <Diablo-D3> kika__: THERE IS A REASON MY MINER HAS A FUCKING HASH METER
1609 2011-05-23 09:08:46 <Diablo-D3> ITS
1610 2011-05-23 09:08:47 <Diablo-D3> RIGHT
1611 2011-05-23 09:08:47 <Diablo-D3> THERE
1612 2011-05-23 09:08:56 <BurtyBB> calm down it's only a miner
1613 2011-05-23 09:08:56 <molecular> I feel the forum search function is broken. Just entered a search for "eligius" => 0 results. then hit "revise search" => 1 result, then again search box on top => many results.
1614 2011-05-23 09:09:09 <sipa> @later tell BlueMatt would you be willing to do a build with rejectedtx+rescanupdated included? some sort of a 'recovery version'
1615 2011-05-23 09:09:27 <kika__> Diablo-D3: so your miner says 650000Khash/s i tought my 6990 card can do 700Mhash/s
1616 2011-05-23 09:09:30 <molecular> ;;later tell sipa did you do this right?
1617 2011-05-23 09:09:31 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
1618 2011-05-23 09:09:39 <Diablo-D3> kika__: you havent found the best settings.
1619 2011-05-23 09:09:50 <sipa> test
1620 2011-05-23 09:09:51 <Diablo-D3> kika__: what did you type into poclbm originally?
1621 2011-05-23 09:09:54 <sipa> ;;later tell BlueMatt would you be willing to do a build with rejectedtx+rescanupdated included? some sort of a 'recovery version'
1622 2011-05-23 09:09:54 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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1624 2011-05-23 09:10:07 <kika__> Diablo-D3: poclbm ... -w 256 -v thats all
1625 2011-05-23 09:10:24 <Diablo-D3> try -v 2 -w 256 then
1626 2011-05-23 09:10:27 <kika__> Diablo-D3: poclbm worked at 325MBhash per core
1627 2011-05-23 09:10:38 <Diablo-D3> kika__: thats 650, dude.
1628 2011-05-23 09:10:43 <Diablo-D3> not 700
1629 2011-05-23 09:11:16 <kika__> yes true, your miner is doing the same that poclbm just that i was basing my decitions on deepbit hashmeter it sometimes said 750Mhash or 900Mhash :P
1630 2011-05-23 09:11:30 <kika__> ill try -v 2 -w 256 with your miner now
1631 2011-05-23 09:12:02 * BurtyBB classes deepbits number as a luck-o-meter
1632 2011-05-23 09:12:13 <Diablo-D3> USUALLY -v 3 -w 128 is fastest on sdk 2.4, or -v 3 -w 256 on memory underclocked radeons or 5970/6990s
1633 2011-05-23 09:12:19 <Diablo-D3> but ALL MACHINES ARE DIFFERENT
1634 2011-05-23 09:12:30 <Diablo-D3> my recommendations are not a replacement for testing
1635 2011-05-23 09:12:58 * ersi nods approvingly at BurtyBB 
1636 2011-05-23 09:13:16 <kika__> ok im testing...
1637 2011-05-23 09:13:35 <ersi> Some serious rocket surgery
1638 2011-05-23 09:13:46 <kika__> im wondering if it would be useful for better mining to underclock my 6990 ? or maybe underclock the memory ?
1639 2011-05-23 09:14:06 <kika__> -v2 -w 256 is very slow 300000Khash/s
1640 2011-05-23 09:14:13 <Diablo-D3> btw, for the record
1641 2011-05-23 09:14:23 <Diablo-D3> a stock clocked 6990 is only about 650 to begin with
1642 2011-05-23 09:14:57 <Diablo-D3> kika__: then stick with -v 3 -w 256 or whatever was fastest
1643 2011-05-23 09:15:03 <kika__> Diablo-D3: yes true mine does that and is stock clocked
1644 2011-05-23 09:15:15 <Diablo-D3> you can try um
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1646 2011-05-23 09:15:58 <Diablo-D3> -v 4 and -v 36
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1648 2011-05-23 09:16:07 <Diablo-D3> try with both -w 128 and -w 256
1649 2011-05-23 09:16:13 <Diablo-D3> most likely it will perform like shit
1650 2011-05-23 09:16:15 <Diablo-D3> but who knows
1651 2011-05-23 09:16:33 <kika__> like shit you mean fast?
1652 2011-05-23 09:16:49 <ersi> It's usually not an euphorism for something good
1653 2011-05-23 09:16:59 <ersi> Usually means "crap" ie not good
1654 2011-05-23 09:17:12 <kika__> -v 3 - w 128 is only 30000Khash too
1655 2011-05-23 09:17:12 <Diablo-D3> I said shit, not the shit
1656 2011-05-23 09:18:51 <kika__> -v 36 -w 256 works at 550000Khash
1657 2011-05-23 09:19:03 <sipa> #bitcoin-mining ?
1658 2011-05-23 09:19:09 <kika__> but the card seems to be more silent
1659 2011-05-23 09:19:10 <kika__> :p
1660 2011-05-23 09:20:54 <Diablo-D3> kika__: try -v 4?
1661 2011-05-23 09:21:24 <kika__> -v 4 -w 256 is 550000Khash
1662 2011-05-23 09:21:34 <Diablo-D3> just use -v 3 -w 256 then
1663 2011-05-23 09:21:44 <kika__> k thxs
1664 2011-05-23 09:23:00 <kika__> -v 3 -w 256 is 660000Khash
1665 2011-05-23 09:23:38 <Diablo-D3> thats probably as fast as its getting
1666 2011-05-23 09:23:39 <Diablo-D3> and dude
1667 2011-05-23 09:23:42 <Diablo-D3> we call that 660 mhash
1668 2011-05-23 09:24:01 <kika__> yup that one wins! :) wondering if i can make this faster even with other miner?
1669 2011-05-23 09:24:27 <Diablo-D3> I doubt it
1670 2011-05-23 09:24:38 <kika__> k
1671 2011-05-23 09:24:41 <Diablo-D3> on 2.4, -v 3 -w 128/256 beats phatk on phoenix
1672 2011-05-23 09:25:05 <Diablo-D3> on 2.1, -v 2 -w 128/256 beats poclbm and phoenix on poclbm
1673 2011-05-23 09:25:41 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i have 2.4 sdk you think i need to downgrade to get faster?
1674 2011-05-23 09:26:01 <Diablo-D3> no
1675 2011-05-23 09:26:05 <kika__> k
1676 2011-05-23 09:26:10 <Diablo-D3> see the op post on my thread
1677 2011-05-23 09:26:17 <Diablo-D3> it lists what chips need which sdk
1678 2011-05-23 09:26:25 <Diablo-D3> 69xx needs 2.4
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1682 2011-05-23 09:28:23 <kika__> thxs
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1706 2011-05-23 09:51:47 <eps1> ;;bc,stats
1707 2011-05-23 09:51:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 125983 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 1024 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 15 hours, 13 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 375021.65058733
1708 2011-05-23 09:51:55 <eps1> ;;bc,mtgox
1709 2011-05-23 09:51:55 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.1231,"vol":42918,"buy":6.948,"sell":7.05,"last":6.96}}
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1730 2011-05-23 10:33:09 <Diablo-D3> argh
1731 2011-05-23 10:33:18 <Diablo-D3> to get to satoshis, I multiply by 1 followed by 8 zeros?
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1737 2011-05-23 10:35:53 <BlueMatt> no you multiply by 10 followed by 7 zeros
1738 2011-05-23 10:36:38 <Diablo-D3> ....
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1741 2011-05-23 10:39:20 <sipa> no you multiply by 0x5F5E100
1742 2011-05-23 10:41:23 <Diablo-D3> ....
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1744 2011-05-23 10:45:20 <UukGoblin> happy illuminati day everyone
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1746 2011-05-23 10:46:42 <BlueMatt> ?
1747 2011-05-23 10:49:14 <UukGoblin> 23rd of may
1748 2011-05-23 10:49:18 <UukGoblin> 23 2+3
1749 2011-05-23 10:49:27 <UukGoblin> illuminati love 2s and 3s
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1751 2011-05-23 10:49:58 <JFK911> omg 2+3=5 9+1+1=11 coincidence?
1752 2011-05-23 10:50:29 <lianj> years entropy is just too low ;)
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1756 2011-05-23 10:57:46 <zp> Hi, does getnewaddress generates a new address or does it take one from the pool?
1757 2011-05-23 10:58:30 <zp> (a non used addr. from the pool)
1758 2011-05-23 10:59:23 <zp> ?
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1760 2011-05-23 11:01:17 <zp> I mean the Key pool...
1761 2011-05-23 11:01:28 <BlueMatt> pool
1762 2011-05-23 11:02:02 <sipa> new addresses are always taken from the pool
1763 2011-05-23 11:02:10 <zp> and if I call it 100 times?
1764 2011-05-23 11:02:44 <BlueMatt> it will top up the keypool each time
1765 2011-05-23 11:04:20 <zp> so it is guaranteed that I will never get the same address after calling getnewaddress? (i.e. it doesn't returns to the beginning of the pool after reaching 100, assumed that I don't recieve on those addresses)?
1766 2011-05-23 11:04:40 <sipa> wtf is there a call to GenerateBitcoins in f*cking net.cpp?
1767 2011-05-23 11:04:50 <sipa> who wrote this!
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1770 2011-05-23 11:07:23 <zp> what will happen if I call getnewaddress and then never use this address? will it be returned once again by getnewaddress after some period of time?
1771 2011-05-23 11:07:47 <sipa> no
1772 2011-05-23 11:07:56 <sipa> once it's been revealed to you, it will expect you to use it
1773 2011-05-23 11:08:27 <zp> thank you!
1774 2011-05-23 11:08:29 <sipa> and since you may have given it to someone who will pay you 15 years in the future, it will have to remain in your wallet
1775 2011-05-23 11:08:45 <zp> thats exactyly why I'm asking
1776 2011-05-23 11:09:09 <zp> thank you
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1783 2011-05-23 11:16:07 <Diablo-D3> Sigh.
1784 2011-05-23 11:16:08 <Diablo-D3> you know what.
1785 2011-05-23 11:16:19 <Diablo-D3> I'm going to do btc in my pool as doubles.
1786 2011-05-23 11:16:40 <Diablo-D3> because bitcoin isnt fucking smart enough not to suck
1787 2011-05-23 11:18:43 <mtrlt> lol @imprecision
1788 2011-05-23 11:22:42 <CIA-103> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Bill Casarin master * r1e552d9 / package.json : Small whitespace fix - http://bit.ly/joE69D
1789 2011-05-23 11:22:42 <CIA-103> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Bill Casarin master * r7f5127c / README.md : Added small warning about security when running forward-facing p2p nodes - http://bit.ly/loe71v
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1809 2011-05-23 12:06:42 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, im having issues with eligius
1810 2011-05-23 12:06:50 <phantomcircuit> ie shits broke
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1817 2011-05-23 12:20:07 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r81 /trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
1818 2011-05-23 12:20:07 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: Add a unit test for the case where the block chain overrides a currently pending transaction. This is an edge case that should only occur when the user executes a Finney attack against somebody else.
1819 2011-05-23 12:20:07 <CIA-103> bitcoinj:  Fix the bug that Miron pointed out. Resolves comments on r76.
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1821 2011-05-23 12:26:53 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
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1823 2011-05-23 12:26:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126023 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 984 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 380938.51999754
1824 2011-05-23 12:27:06 <JFK911> HA
1825 2011-05-23 12:27:20 <JFK911> ;;bc,calcd 800000 381000
1826 2011-05-23 12:27:25 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 800000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 381000, is 3 weeks, 2 days, 16 hours, 11 minutes, and 18 seconds
1827 2011-05-23 12:27:38 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,mtgox
1828 2011-05-23 12:27:40 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.1499,"vol":44072,"buy":7.0075,"sell":7.15,"last":7.1498}}
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1831 2011-05-23 12:29:56 <WakiMiko_> i just tried to send 8.42 bitcoin to an address, and my client used 0.00109265 btc as txfee, even though i had set it to 0
1832 2011-05-23 12:30:06 <WakiMiko_> my whole balance was 8.42109265
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1834 2011-05-23 12:30:12 <WakiMiko_> so that seems kinda strange
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1836 2011-05-23 12:31:25 <jrmithdobbs> WakiMiko_: did you empty the wallet?
1837 2011-05-23 12:31:48 <WakiMiko_> my client emptied it pretty much
1838 2011-05-23 12:31:57 <jrmithdobbs> WakiMiko_: eg, was 8.42109265 the total of your wallet and you tried to xfer 8.42?
1839 2011-05-23 12:32:01 <WakiMiko_> yes
1840 2011-05-23 12:32:08 <jrmithdobbs> ya, expected behaviour
1841 2011-05-23 12:32:14 <WakiMiko_> why
1842 2011-05-23 12:32:19 <jrmithdobbs> leave at least 0.01 in wallet to avoid that
1843 2011-05-23 12:32:34 <jrmithdobbs> i don't remember the reason atm, just that it is
1844 2011-05-23 12:32:47 <WakiMiko_> that kinda sucks. didnt even give me a warning or anything
1845 2011-05-23 12:32:54 <jrmithdobbs> agreed
1846 2011-05-23 12:33:17 <jrmithdobbs> but now you know, and knowing is half the battle
1847 2011-05-23 12:33:45 <jrmithdobbs> (next week, will cobra finally overcome joe's ovwhelming combat strength? stay tuned!)
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1849 2011-05-23 12:34:40 <phantomcircuit> WakiMiko_, that happens because it's currently impossible to transfer less than 0.01 BTC
1850 2011-05-23 12:34:41 <WakiMiko_> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/1edec521768e04a4249a2907afd55559db0ae9f0d1cd1750dd3da14f3baf8c44 tx in question, just for reference
1851 2011-05-23 12:34:50 <phantomcircuit> WakiMiko_, 100% of it gets eaten up by fees
1852 2011-05-23 12:35:15 <WakiMiko_> wasnt the minimal fee lowered to 0.005?
1853 2011-05-23 12:35:27 <gmaxwell> Sometimes it would be preferable to round up the payment instead of the fee…
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1855 2011-05-23 12:36:41 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, no argument from me
1856 2011-05-23 12:36:48 <phantomcircuit> WakiMiko_, i dont think so
1857 2011-05-23 12:36:50 <phantomcircuit> let me see
1858 2011-05-23 12:37:36 <WakiMiko_> i think the fee system needs more work :P. upon trying to send a tx that requires a fee, the client should display the minimum required fee & an explanation why it is needed, and ask the user for confirmation
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1860 2011-05-23 12:38:32 <phantomcircuit> WakiMiko_, yes but that would require accepting commits
1861 2011-05-23 12:38:36 <phantomcircuit> *eh hem*
1862 2011-05-23 12:39:20 <WakiMiko_> lol
1863 2011-05-23 12:42:39 <WakiMiko_> did you submit a pull request and it was denied? because i cant find a pull request related to fees....
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1868 2011-05-23 12:44:06 <phantomcircuit> WakiMiko_, just a general sentiment
1869 2011-05-23 12:48:12 <gmaxwell> WakiMiko_: 0.0005 not 0.005 btw.
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1871 2011-05-23 12:50:18 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
1872 2011-05-23 12:50:21 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126029 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 978 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 6 hours, 57 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 381706.35536594
1873 2011-05-23 12:50:31 <WakiMiko_> oh yea, you are right. that means howerver, that the cleint stole even more from me >:C
1874 2011-05-23 12:51:18 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r82 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
1875 2011-05-23 12:51:19 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: Improve unit tests to verify the arguments to the onDeadTransaction event. Fixed a bug revealed by this.
1876 2011-05-23 12:51:19 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: Credit to miron@google.com for spotting the problem.
1877 2011-05-23 12:51:24 <gmaxwell> WakiMiko_: well that change isn't in the released versions yet.
1878 2011-05-23 12:51:25 <TD> WakiMiko_: you're right, it should
1879 2011-05-23 12:52:57 <phantomcircuit> hey guys
1880 2011-05-23 12:53:02 <phantomcircuit> stop using deepbit
1881 2011-05-23 12:53:18 <phantomcircuit> i just spent all of 10 minutes checking it out and could already kill that shits
1882 2011-05-23 12:53:41 <gmaxwell> I sent someone in IRC .02 btc the other day. He tried to send back 0.000001, expecting a .1 fee. Instead it used the whole .02 btc. Oh well.
1883 2011-05-23 12:54:02 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: all of the pools are pretty DOS attack vulnerable, AFAIK.
1884 2011-05-23 12:54:18 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, sure and the tooth fairy is real
1885 2011-05-23 12:54:31 <WakiMiko_> gmaxwell: is there a version with that change in it?
1886 2011-05-23 12:54:42 <WakiMiko_> there doesnt seem to be a pull request for it
1887 2011-05-23 12:55:45 <gmaxwell> It's in 4b2e21e7eec875a3e1ff898c50f3b8d4d57bae58
1888 2011-05-23 12:55:56 <gmaxwell> which is part of the v0.3.22rc3 rag
1889 2011-05-23 12:56:05 <gmaxwell> s/rag/tag/
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1891 2011-05-23 12:57:14 <WakiMiko_> i was using 0.3.22r2 btw
1892 2011-05-23 12:57:18 <WakiMiko_> *rc2
1893 2011-05-23 12:57:50 <gmaxwell> should have had it too.
1894 2011-05-23 12:57:54 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r83 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/Wallet.java: Minor refresh of the algorithm descriptions at the top of Wallet.java
1895 2011-05-23 12:58:21 <WakiMiko_> well it still emptied my wallet
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1897 2011-05-23 12:59:15 <gmaxwell> Right. So— better behavior to send it as a fee or to leave your wallet with money you can never spend (likely losing the funds to the network forever)?
1898 2011-05-23 12:59:42 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: leave wallet with money you can never spend
1899 2011-05-23 12:59:51 <WakiMiko_> id rather leave it in my wallet, i can alwaysspend it when i receive more coins
1900 2011-05-23 12:59:51 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: is the obvious better behaviour
1901 2011-05-23 13:00:12 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: because there's a good chance you will be xfering more money to the account, if you wont you should manually specify it as fee
1902 2011-05-23 13:00:12 <sipa> i agree there should at least be a warning in the GUI before this is done
1903 2011-05-23 13:00:16 <jrmithdobbs> imho
1904 2011-05-23 13:00:32 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: not just the gui, bitcoind too
1905 2011-05-23 13:00:43 <jrmithdobbs> especially bitcoind, i'd say
1906 2011-05-23 13:01:07 <sipa> for bitcoind it should be configurable, indeed
1907 2011-05-23 13:01:18 <jrmithdobbs> merchants automating xfers suddenly losing a portion of their wallet doesn't exactly inspire confidence
1908 2011-05-23 13:01:23 <dinox> "connections" : 382
1909 2011-05-23 13:01:25 <dinox> wuut :P
1910 2011-05-23 13:01:27 <WakiMiko_> the last time i tried to send a tx that required a fee with bitcoind, it returned an error, so it migth be already in there?!
1911 2011-05-23 13:01:43 <jrmithdobbs> WakiMiko_: not for the case you're talking about
1912 2011-05-23 13:01:57 <jrmithdobbs> WakiMiko_: i only ever send payments through bitcoind and use the gui for pretty status info on pending txns
1913 2011-05-23 13:01:58 <WakiMiko_> oh ol
1914 2011-05-23 13:02:01 <WakiMiko_> *ok
1915 2011-05-23 13:02:18 <sipa> dinox: wow, nice
1916 2011-05-23 13:02:25 <gmaxwell> Well, I'd agree that it should be a GUI only behavior if it does it at all.
1917 2011-05-23 13:02:26 * sipa has only 87
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1919 2011-05-23 13:03:01 <WakiMiko_> damn, laptop battery almost empty :C
1920 2011-05-23 13:03:30 <phantomcircuit> who runs bitcoin.it?
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1924 2011-05-23 13:05:42 <d1g1t4l> im sure theres already been a discussion about this but i cant find it, isnt it possible to affect the inflation of bitcoin by adding and removing processing power to the network?
1925 2011-05-23 13:05:56 <mtrlt> d1g1t4l: not in the long term
1926 2011-05-23 13:06:15 <mtrlt> because the difficulty will adjust every 2016 blocks (~2 weeks)
1927 2011-05-23 13:06:29 <d1g1t4l> i mean, if you add a lot of processing power for some time you increase the difficulty of generating coins and if you then remove that processing power you generate an artificail scarcity
1928 2011-05-23 13:07:00 <sipa> no, you will slow down the introduction rate of new currency
1929 2011-05-23 13:07:05 <d1g1t4l> exactly
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1931 2011-05-23 13:07:14 <sipa> and yes, new currency is the most often traded probable
1932 2011-05-23 13:07:28 <sipa> but it doesn't really decrease the amount of bitcoin is circulation
1933 2011-05-23 13:07:32 <sipa> *in
1934 2011-05-23 13:07:46 <d1g1t4l> no but it decreases the derivative of the amount of bitcoin
1935 2011-05-23 13:07:52 <d1g1t4l> dont know if thats the way to say it in english
1936 2011-05-23 13:07:59 <sipa> you're right
1937 2011-05-23 13:08:18 <sipa> but the influence is limited to the next retarget
1938 2011-05-23 13:08:26 <gmaxwell> d1g1t4l: however it's all quite predictable, in the sense that it will go back up again in 2016 blocks.
1939 2011-05-23 13:08:34 <d1g1t4l> i was thinking of a short term trader sitting in front of his monitor
1940 2011-05-23 13:08:47 <d1g1t4l> if there are many of those on line at the same time you can affect their behaviour
1941 2011-05-23 13:08:59 <d1g1t4l> and you can artificially increase the price of something you want to sell
1942 2011-05-23 13:09:11 <gmaxwell> (and in all small markets you can do things to totally manipulate ignorant traders)
1943 2011-05-23 13:10:00 <d1g1t4l> to me the weakness here relies on the way bitcoins are generated, normally the amount of currency is meant to reflect the amount of goods available
1944 2011-05-23 13:10:07 <d1g1t4l> but i cant see that relation with bitcoin
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1946 2011-05-23 13:10:36 <gmaxwell> The coins in a 2016 block window only represent about 1.6% of the coins already in existance, so you're taking about making few percent swings on a fairly small proportion of the coin population.
1947 2011-05-23 13:11:10 <d1g1t4l> why do you presume it is only possible to affect one window?
1948 2011-05-23 13:11:38 <d1g1t4l> it will be more difficult with the second window and so on but in theory it is possible to affect a finite number of windows
1949 2011-05-23 13:11:52 <sipa> you are right
1950 2011-05-23 13:11:55 <sipa> see http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png
1951 2011-05-23 13:12:22 <sipa> in march 2011 there was a spike (called the 'mystery miner' at the time), which suddenly disappeared
1952 2011-05-23 13:12:34 <sipa> you can see quite well how it influences the difficulty
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1955 2011-05-23 13:18:49 <d1g1t4l> hmm got disconnected, i was saying
1956 2011-05-23 13:18:51 <d1g1t4l> <d1g1t4l> another question, when the maximum number of bitcoins is reached wont we enter a phase in which everything becomes progressively more expensive?
1957 2011-05-23 13:18:54 <d1g1t4l> <d1g1t4l> inflation would be uncapped then and in the long term all the coins would be in the hands of a single user
1958 2011-05-23 13:18:57 <d1g1t4l> <d1g1t4l> is there anything in place to stop that from happening?
1959 2011-05-23 13:19:31 <Nesetalis> so, the stackexchange site for bitcoin has finally got in to the commitment phase.. anyone else going to commit? http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/30763/bitcoin-crypto-currency?referrer=ZoaawmVheQ_spDOgXlkhmg2
1960 2011-05-23 13:19:52 <gmaxwell> Bitcoin is deflationary, but your conclusion that one user will eventually have all the coin doesn't follow.
1961 2011-05-23 13:20:14 <gmaxwell> d1g1t4l: the deflation is why coin is divisible to very tiny parts.
1962 2011-05-23 13:20:37 <d1g1t4l> if everything becomes more expensive at some point any goods will be as expensive as all the bitcoins in circulation
1963 2011-05-23 13:20:47 <d1g1t4l> so to make a single purchase you will need to spend all the bitcoins
1964 2011-05-23 13:20:55 <d1g1t4l> and the person selling that good would receive them all
1965 2011-05-23 13:21:10 <d1g1t4l> the reasoning might be wrong of course
1966 2011-05-23 13:21:42 <sipa> i think the rule is +-: bitcoins_in_circulation*exchange_rate_of_bitcoin = value_of_bitcoin_economy
1967 2011-05-23 13:21:57 <sipa> "in circulation" and "economy" are very fuzzily defined though
1968 2011-05-23 13:22:37 <gmaxwell> d1g1t4l: er. no. a finite supply of bitcoins means that a good of a fixed value costs _less_ bitcoins over time.
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1970 2011-05-23 13:23:37 <d1g1t4l> normally is the value of the goods that fixes the amount of currency units you pay for them, how do you justify bitcoin working the other way around?
1971 2011-05-23 13:23:41 <gmaxwell> e.g. today an apple costs perhaps 0.4 BTC but if bitcoin is successful an apple may someday cost 0.00005 BTC.
1972 2011-05-23 13:23:51 <Diablo-D3> wow, Ive never done over 5000 shares on my own miner in a row before
1973 2011-05-23 13:24:20 <d1g1t4l> with every currency in the world an apple costs more units in the future than at the present time
1974 2011-05-23 13:24:32 <gmaxwell> d1g1t4l: because the (eventual) amount of bitcoin is a constant, so as more goods become available the value of each bitcoin goes _up_.
1975 2011-05-23 13:24:41 <sipa> d1g1t4l: bitcoin is more an electronic imitation of a tradable resource like gold, than an electronic fiat currency
1976 2011-05-23 13:24:48 <sipa> d1g1t4l: it's a design decision
1977 2011-05-23 13:25:11 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: s/0.00005 BTC/0.05 mBTC/
1978 2011-05-23 13:25:18 <phantomcircuit> d1g1t4l, not to mention it really is an "if you dont like it dont use it" kind of thing
1979 2011-05-23 13:25:22 <aninoni> hey all, does anyone have experience with automated trading with mtgox via their api?
1980 2011-05-23 13:25:22 <d1g1t4l> thats what i dont get, how are you going to force the owner of the apple to sell the apple for a lower amount of currency units than he bought it for?
1981 2011-05-23 13:25:33 <gmaxwell> d1g1t4l: because in those currencies people are adding supply without bound.  Though I'd protest 'all', gold is a currency too for example, and it takes far less gold now to buy an apple then it did 200 years ago. :)
1982 2011-05-23 13:25:40 <sipa> d1g1t4l: nobody forces anyone, it's just a free market
1983 2011-05-23 13:25:43 <davex__> d1g1t4l,  he will want to sell it for less.
1984 2011-05-23 13:25:43 <luke-jr> d1g1t4l: fail
1985 2011-05-23 13:25:45 <jrmithdobbs> d1g1t4l: the idea is the market does
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1987 2011-05-23 13:25:50 <jrmithdobbs> d1g1t4l: time will tell if it works or not
1988 2011-05-23 13:26:02 <sipa> d1g1t4l: people will be willing to sell for less, and the value of the currency has gone up
1989 2011-05-23 13:26:30 <gmaxwell> And he'llbe willing to sell for less because everyone else will be too, so he'll not lose any buying power from the transaction.
1990 2011-05-23 13:26:41 <d1g1t4l> i understand the concept what i am arguing is that the psicology of the people that would use it doesnt work like that
1991 2011-05-23 13:27:22 <jrmithdobbs> d1g1t4l: like i said, time will tell
1992 2011-05-23 13:27:23 <sipa> it's how currencies worked for the largest part of human history actually
1993 2011-05-23 13:27:34 <gmaxwell> d1g1t4l: People used precious metals and other things which didn't rapidly lose value as currency for thousands of years.
1994 2011-05-23 13:27:36 <sipa> free trade, using some limited resource as token of value
1995 2011-05-23 13:27:39 <d1g1t4l> when we started using the euro in Europe in most countries people took advantage to convert the prices in a way that everything was more expensive, that didnt benefit them at all but they still did
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1997 2011-05-23 13:28:15 <d1g1t4l> people dont normally make sensible decisions when they decide the price of the goods they sell
1998 2011-05-23 13:28:28 <d1g1t4l> but i agree with jrmithdobbs, time will tell
1999 2011-05-23 13:28:34 <gmaxwell> d1g1t4l: indeed, in any case.. right.
2000 2011-05-23 13:28:51 <sipa> there is one argument against deflationally currencies i agree with: people will not like a contract which stipulates a decreasing wage
2001 2011-05-23 13:29:12 <sipa> that is indeed purely psychological, but very real
2002 2011-05-23 13:30:10 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: the problem is rapidly gaining value
2003 2011-05-23 13:30:12 <phantomcircuit> sipa, one of the few points that keynes had which was valid
2004 2011-05-23 13:30:18 <d1g1t4l> anyway, i just wanted to ask my questions and say to whoever is developing this that he/she is doing a really good job
2005 2011-05-23 13:30:21 <gmaxwell> Plus, it's not clear that any alternative would have worked better: in a trustworthy distributed system there still could be no authority to choose the inflation rate. So even if we had forever-inflation, the rate would have to be built in and it's not clear to me that an unmanaged inflation is any better than unmanaged deflation.
2006 2011-05-23 13:30:24 <luke-jr> ie, why resell apples, when you can just hoard your bitcoin?
2007 2011-05-23 13:30:29 <phantomcircuit> sipa, workers demand wages in terms of arbitrary numbers, not real goods
2008 2011-05-23 13:30:46 <gmaxwell> Bitcoin will also be gaining coin for a very long time, just at an increasingly slow rate.
2009 2011-05-23 13:30:51 <sipa> phantomcircuit: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=8773.0 :)
2010 2011-05-23 13:32:34 <phantomcircuit> sipa, yes basically reinventing the CPI
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2012 2011-05-23 13:33:04 <sipa> phantomcircuit: not reinventing, just applying - though i didn't know the exact term :)
2013 2011-05-23 13:33:52 <gmaxwell> I've been a party to CPI adjusted contracts… fwiw.
2014 2011-05-23 13:34:09 <gmaxwell> Not a normal term for someone's wage though!
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2016 2011-05-23 13:35:13 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, lol yeah most people dont realize that they need a ~ 3% raise per annum simply to stay even
2017 2011-05-23 13:35:14 <ersi> CPI?
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2019 2011-05-23 13:35:22 <phantomcircuit> ersi, consumer price index
2020 2011-05-23 13:35:29 <ersi> Ah.
2021 2011-05-23 13:35:32 <phantomcircuit> ie the us governments official inflation numbers
2022 2011-05-23 13:35:32 <ersi> Thanks.
2023 2011-05-23 13:35:44 <ersi> "Goverment Big Mac Index" ;)
2024 2011-05-23 13:36:19 <phantomcircuit> more like the government milk and beef index
2025 2011-05-23 13:36:27 <phantomcircuit> (which btw are hilariously over represented)
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2043 2011-05-23 14:09:39 <dinox> Anyone knowing a trusted blockchain host?
2044 2011-05-23 14:10:06 <sipa> you mean fallback node?
2045 2011-05-23 14:10:57 <dinox> No, I mean I dont want to wait for bitcoind to verify the entire blockchain
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2047 2011-05-23 14:11:52 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
2048 2011-05-23 14:11:54 <gribble> 126044
2049 2011-05-23 14:11:59 <jgarzik> dinox: http://bitcoin.bluematt.me/bitcoin-nightly/blockchain-nightly/
2050 2011-05-23 14:12:11 <dinox> There we have it, thanks jgarzik
2051 2011-05-23 14:12:38 <mmoya> what's the appropiate channel to discuss wiki content, if there's one?
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2053 2011-05-23 14:13:34 <dinox> Whoo, BlueMatt has a fast connection :)
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2059 2011-05-23 14:16:36 <davex__> How do you get the receiving address displayed in a newly created wallet through json-rpc?
2060 2011-05-23 14:16:54 <davex__> i only see a method to create a new receiving address, but i don't see how to get existing ones.
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2062 2011-05-23 14:17:59 <sipa> getaddressesbyaccount ""
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2064 2011-05-23 14:18:14 <davex__> ok
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2067 2011-05-23 14:18:38 <sipa> getaddressesbyaccount "Your Address"
2068 2011-05-23 14:18:57 <davex__> so i guess accounts are fully implemented now?  been awhile since i checked.
2069 2011-05-23 14:19:09 <sipa> depends what you call fully
2070 2011-05-23 14:19:26 <sipa> they're manageable through json-rpc, but they are hidden in the gui
2071 2011-05-23 14:19:36 <davex__> yeah.  gui doesn't matter
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2082 2011-05-23 14:36:00 <Kiba> what is required of me before I can build my own bitcoin wallet out of javascript?
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2086 2011-05-23 14:38:53 <BlueMatt> dinox: thank my mirrors, my connection sucks
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2128 2011-05-23 15:38:53 <dinox> I'm trying to compile bitcoind on ubuntu 10.04 lucid and I get "g++: Internal error: Terminated (program cc1plus)" when compiling main.cpp. Any ideas?
2129 2011-05-23 15:39:11 <UukGoblin> dinox, how much ram have you got?
2130 2011-05-23 15:39:21 <dinox> 512mb
2131 2011-05-23 15:39:27 <UukGoblin> dinox, that's way not enough
2132 2011-05-23 15:39:32 <UukGoblin> I had problems with 1GB
2133 2011-05-23 15:39:35 <dinox> aww, hmm
2134 2011-05-23 15:39:39 <sipa> my vps with ubuntu 10.04 can compile bitcoin just fine
2135 2011-05-23 15:39:45 <sipa> and 512 MiB RAM
2136 2011-05-23 15:39:59 <UukGoblin> interesting
2137 2011-05-23 15:40:11 <sipa> with 256 MiB RAM it was also possible, but it took some 10 hours :)
2138 2011-05-23 15:40:17 <dinox> sipa: yes, this is a vps too with 512mb
2139 2011-05-23 15:40:21 <UukGoblin> well I didn't have any swap enabled
2140 2011-05-23 15:40:22 <dinox> hehe
2141 2011-05-23 15:40:56 <UukGoblin> sipa, do you know some magic g++ options to reduce memory usage?
2142 2011-05-23 15:41:47 <dinox> sipa: what options did you compile with?
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2146 2011-05-23 15:42:46 <sipa> nothing special, but it was a few weeks ago
2147 2011-05-23 15:42:58 <dinox> Getting "virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory" now... :/
2148 2011-05-23 15:43:22 <sipa> i do have 512 MiB swap as well, though
2149 2011-05-23 15:43:27 <sipa> and it's being used
2150 2011-05-23 15:43:33 <jrmithdobbs> UukGoblin: find . -name '*.cpp' -exec sh -c "mv {} `echo '{}' | sed 's/[.]cpp$/.c/'`" \; ; ... then fix all the breakage
2151 2011-05-23 15:43:37 <jrmithdobbs> UukGoblin: <3
2152 2011-05-23 15:43:45 <UukGoblin> lolol
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2154 2011-05-23 15:44:17 <sipa> evil
2155 2011-05-23 15:44:23 <jrmithdobbs> truth hurts ;P
2156 2011-05-23 15:44:48 <UukGoblin> jrmithdobbs, also sed -e s/class/struct/ on all the .c files? ;-]
2157 2011-05-23 15:45:17 <jrmithdobbs> nah that's an exercise left to use under the "then fix all the breakage" command
2158 2011-05-23 15:45:23 <jrmithdobbs> s/use/user/
2159 2011-05-23 15:45:25 <UukGoblin> mhm
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2165 2011-05-23 16:01:03 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: hahaha, yep
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2168 2011-05-23 16:06:17 <diki> how can i request how many confirms a block has?
2169 2011-05-23 16:07:32 <ninjaneo> i think it shows in listtransactions
2170 2011-05-23 16:07:42 <diki> and listtransactions is?
2171 2011-05-23 16:08:13 <ninjaneo> bitcoind listtransactions
2172 2011-05-23 16:08:23 <diki> interesting
2173 2011-05-23 16:08:32 <ninjaneo> thats only your transactions though
2174 2011-05-23 16:08:54 <dinox> Hmm, getting "EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException " when i try to start bitcoind
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2177 2011-05-23 16:09:17 <BlueMatt> dinox: delete everything but wallet.dat in ~/.bitcoin yet?
2178 2011-05-23 16:09:30 <sipa> just deleting the contents of ~/.bitcoin/database may be enough
2179 2011-05-23 16:09:37 <sipa> (but have a backup of wallet.dat)
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2181 2011-05-23 16:10:56 <dinox> removed database folder, worked! Thanks guys
2182 2011-05-23 16:12:48 <diki> okay...seems however there is a small problem
2183 2011-05-23 16:13:12 <diki> if Bitcoin is running, then bitcoind says that it cannot obtain a lock on the data
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2185 2011-05-23 16:13:23 <diki> then how do i query the confirmations of a block?
2186 2011-05-23 16:13:31 <sipa> only bitcoin or bitcoind can be running, not both at the same time
2187 2011-05-23 16:13:38 <sipa> but you can run bitcoin in server mode
2188 2011-05-23 16:13:43 <sipa> enabling rpc commands
2189 2011-05-23 16:14:03 <diki> and how would an rpc command be used to get the confirmations of a block?
2190 2011-05-23 16:14:14 <diki> as bitcoin is running in server mode
2191 2011-05-23 16:14:18 <sipa> ...
2192 2011-05-23 16:14:24 <sipa> bitcoind listtransactions
2193 2011-05-23 16:15:12 <diki> but then i get
2194 2011-05-23 16:15:13 <diki> Bitcoin: Cannot obtain a lock on data directory
2195 2011-05-23 16:15:24 <sipa> are you sure?
2196 2011-05-23 16:15:28 <diki> positive
2197 2011-05-23 16:15:36 <sipa> what exactly are you typing/running where?
2198 2011-05-23 16:15:46 <diki> i type bitcoind -listtransactions
2199 2011-05-23 16:15:58 <sipa> did you see any '-' in the suggestion we gave you?
2200 2011-05-23 16:16:34 <diki> so what exactly is listtransactions if not an argument?
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2202 2011-05-23 16:16:48 <sipa> it's a command
2203 2011-05-23 16:16:54 <sipa> to be passed to a running bitcoin or bitcoind instance
2204 2011-05-23 16:16:57 <sipa> through rpc
2205 2011-05-23 16:17:05 <sipa> it's not an option for the binary you're invoking
2206 2011-05-23 16:17:33 <sipa> type bitcoin --help for an explanation
2207 2011-05-23 16:17:42 <diki> can commands be passed to any program if it were coded to accept them?
2208 2011-05-23 16:18:03 <sipa> uh this is quite bitcoin/bitcoind specific
2209 2011-05-23 16:18:06 <diki> i typed that, but listtransactions was not in it
2210 2011-05-23 16:18:19 <sipa> *sigh*
2211 2011-05-23 16:18:31 <sipa>   bitcoin [options] <command> [params]  Send command to -server or bitcoind
2212 2011-05-23 16:18:54 <sipa> ok, sorry, i assumed there was some mentioning of the help command
2213 2011-05-23 16:19:14 <sipa> try typing "bitcoin help" (without any minus sign)
2214 2011-05-23 16:19:34 <sipa> that sends the help command to bitcoind/bitcoin, and will show you the possible rpc commands
2215 2011-05-23 16:19:47 <sipa> (which are different from the options parsed by the rpc client itself)
2216 2011-05-23 16:19:49 <diki> that is still a bit confusing tho
2217 2011-05-23 16:20:06 <diki> i thought that every program needed -args to do anything
2218 2011-05-23 16:20:18 <diki> program -somearg -secondarg
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2220 2011-05-23 16:20:36 <sipa> typically, -<something> is used to modify a program's behaviour, but normal arguments are used to pass it data
2221 2011-05-23 16:20:48 <sipa> eg. the cat command takes a list of filenames on the command line
2222 2011-05-23 16:21:00 <sipa> no reason to do that through an option
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2224 2011-05-23 16:21:25 <diki> Also, why Value listtransactions(const Array& params, bool fHelp)
2225 2011-05-23 16:21:33 <diki> I thought that functions types can be int,bool and void
2226 2011-05-23 16:21:38 <diki> never heard of Value
2227 2011-05-23 16:21:48 <sipa> it's a own data type
2228 2011-05-23 16:21:53 <sipa> but maybe you should learn C++ first
2229 2011-05-23 16:22:00 <diki> I am
2230 2011-05-23 16:22:05 <diki> Just now :)
2231 2011-05-23 16:22:36 <diki> And whatever i may have learned from books or so...there hasn't been much about custom function types
2232 2011-05-23 16:22:49 <sipa> no custom function type at all
2233 2011-05-23 16:22:56 <sipa> Value is just a data type
2234 2011-05-23 16:23:00 <sipa> it's defined in json/json_spirit_value.h
2235 2011-05-23 16:23:23 <ninjaneo> heh
2236 2011-05-23 16:24:07 <diki> you've memorized quite a lot
2237 2011-05-23 16:24:13 <diki> i could never follow that much code
2238 2011-05-23 16:25:20 <ninjaneo> no need to memorize it, its all infront of ya ;P
2239 2011-05-23 16:25:32 <ninjaneo> YAY I HAVE TESTNET COINS TIME TO START DEVELOPING
2240 2011-05-23 16:25:33 <jrmithdobbs> diki: you given up on your win32 port of pushpool yet? figured out that replacing libevent is harder than expected? heh
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2242 2011-05-23 16:27:00 <diki> No i have not given up yet....just pushed to a lower priority..
2243 2011-05-23 16:27:27 <diki> ninjaneo: But sipa told me right away in which file the template was
2244 2011-05-23 16:27:54 <jrmithdobbs> diki: man grep
2245 2011-05-23 16:28:27 <diki> i assume that is a linux command?
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2247 2011-05-23 16:28:45 <ninjaneo> heh yes
2248 2011-05-23 16:28:49 <ninjaneo> but you can install cygwin
2249 2011-05-23 16:28:56 <ninjaneo> or msys and have grep on windows
2250 2011-05-23 16:29:00 <diki> anyway, if cygwin or mingw have no problems with unix sockets and stuff like that, then compiling pushpoold may be a matter of time
2251 2011-05-23 16:29:15 <jrmithdobbs> diki: cygwin doesn't implement libevent afaik
2252 2011-05-23 16:29:27 <diki> i am compiling everything
2253 2011-05-23 16:29:35 <diki> from jansson to zlib, libmemcached and libevent
2254 2011-05-23 16:29:36 <jrmithdobbs> libevent requires kernel hooks
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2256 2011-05-23 16:30:01 <Ramen> the wiki talked about moving the decimal point to deal with inflation/deflation.  how would they go about doing that.  I mean with all the exchanges it seems really easy for the ppl unaware to get ripped off
2257 2011-05-23 16:30:09 <jrmithdobbs> i would be quite surprised if there is a working win32 port of libevent because similar functionality already exists in the win32 api with (completely) different semantics
2258 2011-05-23 16:30:24 <diki> actually here is a compiled dll
2259 2011-05-23 16:30:29 <diki> *there
2260 2011-05-23 16:30:33 <diki> but it's version 1.3
2261 2011-05-23 16:32:38 <diki> Also, why most pools declare a block invalid if it doesnt have 100 confirmations?
2262 2011-05-23 16:32:52 <diki> rather how do they know if it's invalid?
2263 2011-05-23 16:33:03 <sipa> invalid? they just wait until there are 100 confirmations
2264 2011-05-23 16:33:16 <diki> a 100 is a lot
2265 2011-05-23 16:33:19 <sipa> because they don't get the income themselves until 100 confirmation have passed
2266 2011-05-23 16:33:27 <sipa> so they can't spend it either
2267 2011-05-23 16:33:29 <diki> isn't it 120 blocks?
2268 2011-05-23 16:33:44 <sipa> the GUI client enforces 120 blocks, the protocol requires 100
2269 2011-05-23 16:33:46 <ninjaneo> sipa is a g theres no doubt about that lol ive seen some of his commits =p
2270 2011-05-23 16:34:05 <sipa> a g?
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2272 2011-05-23 16:34:10 <ninjaneo> its a good thing
2273 2011-05-23 16:34:10 <diki> which do you recommend for a pool? the gui or console?
2274 2011-05-23 16:34:10 <ninjaneo> lol
2275 2011-05-23 16:34:41 <ninjaneo> do pool operators wait the 100 blocks before paying out users hten?
2276 2011-05-23 16:34:49 <sipa> some do, some don't
2277 2011-05-23 16:35:00 <sipa> if they don't, they need some buffer to get the money frm
2278 2011-05-23 16:35:11 <diki> I am just curios. Do they declare the block invalid if it doesnt reach 100 confirms?
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2280 2011-05-23 16:35:35 <sipa> there is no such thing
2281 2011-05-23 16:35:36 <diki> My point is, it could take 1 week before a block get's validated
2282 2011-05-23 16:35:52 <sipa> either it ends up in the chain that gets continued, and its confirmation count goes to infinity
2283 2011-05-23 16:35:54 <ninjaneo> diki it is listed as immature / unconfirmed
2284 2011-05-23 16:36:02 <sipa> immature
2285 2011-05-23 16:36:09 <sipa> unconfirmed is for non-generation tx's
2286 2011-05-23 16:36:14 <jrmithdobbs> diki: takes about 24 hours on average
2287 2011-05-23 16:36:32 <diki> So if by 24 hours, a block does not get 100 confirms= invalid
2288 2011-05-23 16:36:32 <sipa> ... or it ends up on the wrong side of a chain split, and it just gets removed
2289 2011-05-23 16:36:33 <lianj> 20 hours before a transactions is set in stone? nobody can every claim bitcoin is instant or you can just send them peer-to-peer
2290 2011-05-23 16:36:45 <Nesetalis> -facepalms-
2291 2011-05-23 16:36:49 <sipa> lianj: this is only for generating transactions
2292 2011-05-23 16:36:51 <sipa> diki: not at all
2293 2011-05-23 16:37:01 <diki> i am sorry i am bit lost here
2294 2011-05-23 16:37:03 <sipa> diki: you just *wait* until 100 confirmations are reached
2295 2011-05-23 16:37:06 <sipa> there is nothing invalid
2296 2011-05-23 16:37:25 <diki> pools say invalid tho
2297 2011-05-23 16:37:32 <Nesetalis> diki, consider it like in escrow
2298 2011-05-23 16:37:33 <UukGoblin> well if block doesn't get into blockchain after 100 new blocks were generated...
2299 2011-05-23 16:37:33 <sipa> if it doesn't reach 100 confirmations, it means it ended up at the wrong side of a split, and it just stops *existing*
2300 2011-05-23 16:37:34 <jrmithdobbs> unless something whacky is going on it'll chain split within the first couple blocks
2301 2011-05-23 16:37:41 <Nesetalis> you have to wait 100 confirmations before they release it from escrow
2302 2011-05-23 16:37:48 <jrmithdobbs> and it sorts itself out pretty quick
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2304 2011-05-23 16:37:56 <UukGoblin> ... it's unlikely it'll ever get back to the chain again
2305 2011-05-23 16:38:03 <sipa> and we assume that if it reaches 100 confirmations, it will not be reverted anymore
2306 2011-05-23 16:38:13 <diki> So...via my pool i request bitcoind listtransactions and check how many confirms it has...
2307 2011-05-23 16:38:16 <sipa> yes
2308 2011-05-23 16:38:23 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: so is the artificiall +20 limit going to be removed from the official client?
2309 2011-05-23 16:38:23 <diki> say it's 99
2310 2011-05-23 16:38:31 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: no
2311 2011-05-23 16:38:35 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: why?
2312 2011-05-23 16:38:46 <UukGoblin> yeah it's 120 confirms btw, isn't it?
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2314 2011-05-23 16:38:55 <sipa> UukGoblin: protocol requires only 100
2315 2011-05-23 16:39:05 <UukGoblin> ah.
2316 2011-05-23 16:39:07 <jrmithdobbs> UukGoblin: no, it's 100. the protocol will let you create txns with the coins after 100 blocks. client artificially limits to 120
2317 2011-05-23 16:39:15 <UukGoblin> I see.
2318 2011-05-23 16:39:16 <sipa> there was a reason for this
2319 2011-05-23 16:39:40 <sipa> has to do with reorganisations, that a tx could end up earlier in the block chain than before, and thus incur an extra fee
2320 2011-05-23 16:39:41 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: that's as in depth as anyone has said, though, "there was a reason" ... noone knows what it was
2321 2011-05-23 16:39:48 <diki> so when bitcoind is at 99 confirms what happens later?
2322 2011-05-23 16:39:58 <ArtForzZz> jrmithdobbs: dont proclaim shit you have no clue about
2323 2011-05-23 16:39:58 <luke-jr> 100
2324 2011-05-23 16:40:21 <ArtForzZz> btw, the real limit is 101, not 100
2325 2011-05-23 16:40:27 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZz: ? that's all anyone's been able to tell me when asked
2326 2011-05-23 16:40:29 <lianj> sipa: oh now it get it. was going to ask what you mean with generating txs.. but you mean spent new bitcoins again
2327 2011-05-23 16:40:45 <ArtForzZz> reason is simple, imagine a chain split where tx end up in a *earlier* block
2328 2011-05-23 16:40:46 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZz: obviously there is some reason it's 120 i'm just trying to figure out what
2329 2011-05-23 16:40:59 <ArtForzZz> which can happen
2330 2011-05-23 16:41:21 <sipa> lianj: for spending a normal output, the protocol limit is 0 blocks - for spending a coinbase output, the limit is 100 blocks
2331 2011-05-23 16:41:42 <ArtForzZz> sipa: it's > 100 blocks, aka >= 101 blocks ;)
2332 2011-05-23 16:41:50 <sipa> the client however enforces 1 block for normal outputs and 120 blocks for coinbases
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2334 2011-05-23 16:42:02 <ArtForzZz> there has to be 100 blocks *after* the block the coinbase is in
2335 2011-05-23 16:42:02 <sipa> ArtForzZz: could be, but i assume you're right
2336 2011-05-23 16:42:16 <ArtForzZz> I tested it on testnet like ages ago
2337 2011-05-23 16:42:19 <diki> So i know how to code my website, but i have no idea how to code the block confirm check
2338 2011-05-23 16:42:22 <diki> it's still fuzzy to me
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2340 2011-05-23 16:42:47 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZz: so if it ends up earlier in the block chain due to a split what happens?
2341 2011-05-23 16:42:53 <ArtForzZz> jrmithdobbs: it can't
2342 2011-05-23 16:43:00 <lianj> sipa: thank you, that makes sense!
2343 2011-05-23 16:43:02 <ArtForzZz> because it isn't valid in a earlier block
2344 2011-05-23 16:43:12 <jrmithdobbs> ah! ok i see
2345 2011-05-23 16:43:26 <Nesetalis> diki.. just check which block number it is.. and wait till its that block number + 120 :p
2346 2011-05-23 16:43:35 <ArtForzZz> thats why theres a 20 (well, 19) block buffer
2347 2011-05-23 16:43:35 <Nesetalis> or.. count how many over that block number it is
2348 2011-05-23 16:43:45 <jrmithdobbs> so the +20 (or 19 it sounds like) is just a precaution to prevent yourself from fucking yourself in case of an unforseen reorg
2349 2011-05-23 16:43:57 <jrmithdobbs> makes sense.
2350 2011-05-23 16:44:02 <ArtForzZz> yep
2351 2011-05-23 16:44:34 <sipa> ArtForzZz: not sure how necessary the 120 rule is in that case - i suppose it should just be kept in the memory pool until it does reach 101?
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2353 2011-05-23 16:44:42 <sipa> it's an easy fix of course
2354 2011-05-23 16:44:46 <ArtForzZz> sipa: thats what should happen
2355 2011-05-23 16:44:49 <diki> But i see no numbers here http://pastebin.com/M7KNS5Yk
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2357 2011-05-23 16:44:58 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
2358 2011-05-23 16:44:58 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.1499,"vol":41225,"buy":7.0804,"sell":7.1999,"last":7.11}}
2359 2011-05-23 16:45:11 <sipa> diki: you see the 'confirmations' in there?
2360 2011-05-23 16:45:19 <sipa> with number 1720?
2361 2011-05-23 16:45:22 <diki> i see it, but it doesnt say for which block it is
2362 2011-05-23 16:45:23 <Diablo-D3> getinfo balance does NOT include non-mature blocsk, right?
2363 2011-05-23 16:45:23 <UukGoblin> just how many orphaned blocks have we got btw?
2364 2011-05-23 16:45:24 <sipa> that means 1720 confirmations
2365 2011-05-23 16:45:30 <sipa> diki: the block that was 1720 blocks ago
2366 2011-05-23 16:45:32 <ArtForzZz> UukGoblin: nobody knows
2367 2011-05-23 16:45:36 <gmaxwell> the client should be lowered to the absolute minimum I think.  There is basicaly no chance of a netwok split big enough for that to be problematic now.
2368 2011-05-23 16:45:40 <ArtForzZz> but it's at least a few 100
2369 2011-05-23 16:45:46 <UukGoblin> ArtForzZz, really? no-one remembers them?
2370 2011-05-23 16:45:47 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: doesn't seem to
2371 2011-05-23 16:45:54 <jrmithdobbs> erm
2372 2011-05-23 16:46:00 <ArtForzZz> clients dont spread orphaned blocks
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2374 2011-05-23 16:46:07 <sipa> UukGoblin: splits are typically local in the network
2375 2011-05-23 16:46:16 <ArtForzZz> so unless you just happened to get the loser first, you won't know if there has been a orphan
2376 2011-05-23 16:46:18 <diki> So say i have a block which is at 99 confirms. And wont get passed 100
2377 2011-05-23 16:46:20 <gmaxwell> (or if there was a big split, you're unlikely to be on the losing side for 100 blocks)
2378 2011-05-23 16:46:23 <UukGoblin> :-[
2379 2011-05-23 16:46:35 <sipa> diki: yes, that means it will be removed
2380 2011-05-23 16:46:37 <diki> how long should one wait to mark it as invalid on the pool website?
2381 2011-05-23 16:46:44 * UukGoblin feels like building a block orphanage now
2382 2011-05-23 16:46:50 <sipa> it's invalid if it doesn't exist in listtransactions anymore
2383 2011-05-23 16:46:56 <jrmithdobbs> ^
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2385 2011-05-23 16:47:01 <gmaxwell> You can figure out the approimate orphan rate mathmatically given some reasonable assumptions about latency.
2386 2011-05-23 16:47:05 <sipa> it's immature if it doesn't have 120 confirmations
2387 2011-05-23 16:47:11 <sipa> it's valid if it does have 120 confirmations
2388 2011-05-23 16:47:11 <Nesetalis> UukGoblin, build it in minecraft, lots of blocks there :D
2389 2011-05-23 16:47:18 <Diablo-D3> lol
2390 2011-05-23 16:47:28 <Nesetalis> maybe orphaned blocks are creepers...
2391 2011-05-23 16:47:30 <Nesetalis> >.>
2392 2011-05-23 16:47:33 <Nesetalis> this would explain much
2393 2011-05-23 16:47:36 <diki> lol
2394 2011-05-23 16:47:40 <diki> SSssss
2395 2011-05-23 16:47:42 <jrmithdobbs> Nesetalis: obviously they are if they play minecraft
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2397 2011-05-23 16:48:00 <diki> I like diamond
2398 2011-05-23 16:48:00 <jrmithdobbs> the game for aspies by aspies!
2399 2011-05-23 16:48:04 <ArtForzZz> minecraft has way too many dimensions, terraria ftw.
2400 2011-05-23 16:48:09 <Nesetalis> XD
2401 2011-05-23 16:48:17 <diki> the nether :
2402 2011-05-23 16:48:25 <diki> >:]
2403 2011-05-23 16:48:25 <Nesetalis> aspies? psh
2404 2011-05-23 16:48:58 <Diablo-D3> when the hell is bitcoin going to support commands in satoshis
2405 2011-05-23 16:49:28 <ArtForzZz> Diablo-D3: probbaly sometime between "after hell freezes over" and "never"
2406 2011-05-23 16:49:43 <Diablo-D3> well its fucking absurd I support high precision in my shit
2407 2011-05-23 16:49:48 <Diablo-D3> and have to dumb it down
2408 2011-05-23 16:49:52 <ArtForzZz> Diablo-D3: huh?
2409 2011-05-23 16:50:05 <Diablo-D3> I keep track of raw satoshis in my pool
2410 2011-05-23 16:50:10 <ArtForzZz> it already takes/returns stuff with up to 8 decimal places
2411 2011-05-23 16:50:21 <sipa> parse it as a double, multiple with 100000000, and round to nearest integer
2412 2011-05-23 16:50:28 <Diablo-D3> sipa: > round
2413 2011-05-23 16:50:29 <Diablo-D3> you fail
2414 2011-05-23 16:50:35 <ArtForzZz> or parse it as a decimal with precision=8
2415 2011-05-23 16:50:41 <sipa> since a double has 53 bits of mantissa, which is more than 10^8, it should always be exact
2416 2011-05-23 16:50:50 <sipa> eh, more than 21M*10^8
2417 2011-05-23 16:51:09 <diki> sipa, how should i store my rewards var i.e BTC for the worker. double, float?
2418 2011-05-23 16:51:19 <ArtForzZz> int64 ?
2419 2011-05-23 16:51:32 <diki> what? mysql doesnt support that
2420 2011-05-23 16:51:48 <sipa> mysql sure has some integer type
2421 2011-05-23 16:51:56 <sipa> that supports at least 64-bit numbers
2422 2011-05-23 16:52:03 <diki> Integer = 1234324. it's not 1.8974234
2423 2011-05-23 16:52:09 <Diablo-D3> diki: integer satoshis
2424 2011-05-23 16:52:17 <ArtForzZz> I prefer keeping stuff around in integer satoshis internally
2425 2011-05-23 16:52:34 <sipa> internally either store everything as an integer multiple of 0.00000001, or as a decimal type
2426 2011-05-23 16:52:39 <ArtForzZz> just watch out for rounding errors ;)
2427 2011-05-23 16:52:42 <sipa> never as a double
2428 2011-05-23 16:52:47 <ArtForzZz> sipa: agreed
2429 2011-05-23 16:53:11 <diki> integer multiple of 0.00000001,<- i dont quite get that part
2430 2011-05-23 16:53:11 <sipa> some languages/platforms even have a decimal type they call currency - for good reason :)
2431 2011-05-23 16:53:24 <ArtForzZz> making sure that the balances actually balance is... fun!
2432 2011-05-23 16:53:27 <sipa> diki: if you want to store the number 50.12 BTC, you store the integer 5012000000
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2435 2011-05-23 16:53:57 <Diablo-D3> how do I check if an address is invalid?
2436 2011-05-23 16:54:10 <ArtForzZz> Diablo-D3: you ask your bitcoind nicely
2437 2011-05-23 16:54:24 <Diablo-D3> oh theres a validate address command now
2438 2011-05-23 16:54:31 <sipa> you can implement the logic yourself, there are nice examples in many languages
2439 2011-05-23 16:54:37 <sipa> but asking bitcoind is probably easier
2440 2011-05-23 16:54:44 <ArtForzZz> sipa: yep, but thats kinda more error prone
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2442 2011-05-23 16:54:55 <ArtForzZz> especially getting the leading-0 de/encoding in base58 correct
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2445 2011-05-23 16:55:08 <diki> so i basically store 50BTC/100000000
2446 2011-05-23 16:55:22 <sipa> diki: no, *100000000
2447 2011-05-23 16:55:28 <diki> oops, right
2448 2011-05-23 16:55:31 <sipa> but what it means is /100000000
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2451 2011-05-23 16:55:50 <sipa> ArtForzZz: exactly, it's an edge case that you can easily miss
2452 2011-05-23 16:55:53 <diki> but initially the bitcoins will be 50.XX
2453 2011-05-23 16:56:00 [1]currentB has joined
2454 2011-05-23 16:56:00 <diki> even more including fees
2455 2011-05-23 16:56:04 <sipa> so?
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2457 2011-05-23 16:56:17 <diki> nvm
2458 2011-05-23 16:56:39 <ArtForzZz> especially with a pool, getting the sub-satoshi rounding right is a bit tricky ;)
2459 2011-05-23 16:57:04 <diki> how can we avoid rounding?
2460 2011-05-23 16:57:08 <ArtForzZz> you can't
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2462 2011-05-23 16:58:18 <diki> one thing is puzzling me. When pushpool stores found blocks, it does not store them by block number
2463 2011-05-23 16:58:24 <diki> how do i figure out the block #?
2464 2011-05-23 16:58:26 <eps1> ;;bc,mtgox
2465 2011-05-23 16:58:26 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.1499,"vol":41319,"buy":7.1024,"sell":7.1495,"last":7.01}}
2466 2011-05-23 16:58:40 <sipa> what does it store?
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2469 2011-05-23 16:58:42 <sipa> block id?
2470 2011-05-23 16:59:03 <diki> it stores data, hash1 and another one as well into one big hash
2471 2011-05-23 16:59:25 <diki> and if it's easy target...i couldnt even find it on blockexplorer
2472 2011-05-23 16:59:49 <sipa> that sounds like shares, not blocks, but possibly including them
2473 2011-05-23 16:59:51 <sipa> anyway, gotta go
2474 2011-05-23 16:59:53 <Nesetalis> you can see the current block number easily enough with getinfo
2475 2011-05-23 17:01:06 <diki> but what if by the time the program checks for the block number...another block is found?
2476 2011-05-23 17:01:09 <Nesetalis> fuck... no.. not again ;.; -has had hickups constantly since dinner last night... almost 15 hours now-
2477 2011-05-23 17:01:33 <Nesetalis> then the block's confirmations will be 1 instead of 0
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2479 2011-05-23 17:01:41 <UukGoblin> Nesetalis, the world record was over 50 years
2480 2011-05-23 17:01:49 <Nesetalis> please dont say that D:
2481 2011-05-23 17:02:11 <Nesetalis> i'm suffering here.. I dont want to even imagine going an entire day like this, let alone 50 years.
2482 2011-05-23 17:02:39 <UukGoblin> 68 years, to be precise ]:->
2483 2011-05-23 17:02:43 <pirrr> Wow, this is special, I normally get ~20 connections in bitcoin, now after a reboot I have >800...
2484 2011-05-23 17:02:59 <Nesetalis> i get a max of 8 connections
2485 2011-05-23 17:02:59 <pirrr> How come?
2486 2011-05-23 17:03:03 <diki> i also get 8
2487 2011-05-23 17:03:08 <diki> rarely 50
2488 2011-05-23 17:03:28 <pirrr> did you open your ports?
2489 2011-05-23 17:03:43 <pirrr> port 8333
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2491 2011-05-23 17:04:08 <Nesetalis> possibly, dont remember :p
2492 2011-05-23 17:04:11 <UukGoblin> pirrr, I had >200 connections but it clogged up my upload (over 100kB/sec), so I limited it
2493 2011-05-23 17:04:13 <Nesetalis> i'm not the network admin
2494 2011-05-23 17:04:19 <diki> is blkmond useful for something?
2495 2011-05-23 17:04:31 <diki> it prints stuff on the console, but that's about it
2496 2011-05-23 17:04:39 <diki> i find it useless
2497 2011-05-23 17:04:57 <pirrr> UukGoblin: I now have 850 connections, it might be good to limit it...
2498 2011-05-23 17:05:14 <diki> oh seems i have 64
2499 2011-05-23 17:05:18 <diki> weirDOS
2500 2011-05-23 17:05:35 <diki> <diki> weirDOS<- not ment for you guys
2501 2011-05-23 17:06:18 <Diablo-D3> alright
2502 2011-05-23 17:06:24 <Diablo-D3> I think my pool is actually mostly functional
2503 2011-05-23 17:06:27 <Diablo-D3> it takes in shares
2504 2011-05-23 17:06:30 <Diablo-D3> it counts shares
2505 2011-05-23 17:06:31 <diki> will it be open source?
2506 2011-05-23 17:06:35 <Diablo-D3> it pays out currency in theory
2507 2011-05-23 17:06:37 <Diablo-D3> diki: duh
2508 2011-05-23 17:06:43 <diki> well i don't know
2509 2011-05-23 17:06:47 <edcba> who wants some bitcoin ?
2510 2011-05-23 17:06:59 <diki> there are people out there that say they are coding something big but only for themselves
2511 2011-05-23 17:07:09 <diki> java?
2512 2011-05-23 17:07:14 <Diablo-D3> diki: yes.
2513 2011-05-23 17:07:46 <pirrr> UukGoblin: how do you limit your up-connections?
2514 2011-05-23 17:07:56 <diki> i can already imagine how much public Function stuff you have
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2516 2011-05-23 17:10:33 <diki> i am still unsure of using exec tho
2517 2011-05-23 17:12:00 <Diablo-D3> diki: eh?
2518 2011-05-23 17:12:04 <Dekbit> Diablo: you commenting your code? =P
2519 2011-05-23 17:12:17 <diki> huh?
2520 2011-05-23 17:12:38 <Diablo-D3> diki: what is wrong with public methods?
2521 2011-05-23 17:12:43 <Diablo-D3> Dekbit: possibly.
2522 2011-05-23 17:12:46 <Dekbit> will be 1000x better than pushpool if so
2523 2011-05-23 17:12:54 <Diablo-D3> the problem is, my code doesnt suck dick
2524 2011-05-23 17:12:55 <Dekbit> but somehow i doubt it from that answer ;)
2525 2011-05-23 17:13:00 <Diablo-D3> its rather self commenting
2526 2011-05-23 17:13:05 <Dekbit> haha self commenting
2527 2011-05-23 17:13:06 <Dekbit> you rule
2528 2011-05-23 17:13:29 <Dekbit> Using the microsoft style of development I see
2529 2011-05-23 17:13:31 <diki> i suggest a very descriptive README
2530 2011-05-23 17:13:33 <Nesetalis> D:
2531 2011-05-23 17:13:35 <Diablo-D3> diki: nien.
2532 2011-05-23 17:13:42 <Diablo-D3> even less descriptive than diablominer's
2533 2011-05-23 17:13:46 <Dekbit> a readme? thats just crazy talk
2534 2011-05-23 17:13:48 <diki> i hate to read code and then find out how it works
2535 2011-05-23 17:13:59 <diki> readme-instructions=profit
2536 2011-05-23 17:14:03 <Dekbit> why would someone put a shit ton of work into something, release it open source, then actually make it easy for people to use? thats insane
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2538 2011-05-23 17:14:14 <Diablo-D3> my code is rather idiomatic at times though
2539 2011-05-23 17:14:15 <diki> because it should be so?
2540 2011-05-23 17:14:20 <Nesetalis> this_function_does_procedure_XYZ_and_returns_an_integer()
2541 2011-05-23 17:14:21 <Nesetalis> :P
2542 2011-05-23 17:14:21 <Diablo-D3> once you learn to read my code, you can read ALL my code
2543 2011-05-23 17:14:33 <Dekbit> no the best way is do all the work, release it in a form no one can use, then paste it constantly as the answer to peoples questions
2544 2011-05-23 17:15:05 <Nesetalis> what language Diablo-D3?
2545 2011-05-23 17:16:33 <Diablo-D3> java
2546 2011-05-23 17:16:41 <Diablo-D3> and hey, its not like DiabloMiner is hard to read
2547 2011-05-23 17:16:50 <Diablo-D3> the json parser is a little hairy, but I wanna replace it with my new one anyhow
2548 2011-05-23 17:16:52 <Nesetalis> well, java i suppose is better than VB.. :D
2549 2011-05-23 17:17:02 <diki> i hope you dont call your pool diablopool
2550 2011-05-23 17:17:15 <Diablo-D3> diki: ... yes.
2551 2011-05-23 17:17:19 <diki> ....
2552 2011-05-23 17:17:21 <Dekbit> lol
2553 2011-05-23 17:17:22 <mtrlt> :)
2554 2011-05-23 17:17:25 <mtrlt> as expected
2555 2011-05-23 17:17:52 <Nesetalis> whats wrong with diablopool diki? aside from being wholey expected.
2556 2011-05-23 17:18:15 <Diablo-D3> its been named that for like 2 months now
2557 2011-05-23 17:18:38 <Diablo-D3> no one should be surprised at this point
2558 2011-05-23 17:19:00 <Diablo-D3> no one expects the spanish revolution!... wait, what
2559 2011-05-23 17:19:07 <Nesetalis> also... next generation internet, here we come :p 26 terabytes per second.
2560 2011-05-23 17:19:22 <Nesetalis> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/23/new-internet-tech-transmits-data-at-26-terabytes-per-second/
2561 2011-05-23 17:19:45 <pirrr> Hmmmmz, 871 connections now, 140KB/s-200KB/s constant up, how can I limit that?
2562 2011-05-23 17:20:03 <pirrr> (200Kb/s does not seem a lot after seeing 26Tb/s)
2563 2011-05-23 17:20:11 <Nesetalis> i know right?
2564 2011-05-23 17:20:32 <Nesetalis> ive got 4.1MB/s download speed where i am.. (rarely see faster than 1.5MB/s though)
2565 2011-05-23 17:20:56 <BlueMatt> pirrr: -maxconnections or something like that iirc
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2567 2011-05-23 17:22:12 <pirrr>                      rx         |       tx
2568 2011-05-23 17:22:13 <pirrr>    max           32.88 Mbit/s  |     1.59 Mbit/s
2569 2011-05-23 17:22:13 <pirrr>       average           26.95 Mbit/s  |   969.45 kbit/s
2570 2011-05-23 17:22:17 <pirrr> wooops
2571 2011-05-23 17:22:24 <pirrr> tx BlueMatt , I'll try
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2575 2011-05-23 17:23:58 <meLon> I installed miniupnpc as the build-unix.txt file says.  Now when I compile bitcoind, I get this error:  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lminiupnpc .   If any of you have seen/worked around this before, please let me know :D
2576 2011-05-23 17:24:18 <diki> i get 5.7 megaBYTES/s download
2577 2011-05-23 17:24:31 <diki> about...$10 a month
2578 2011-05-23 17:24:34 <BlueMatt> meLon: you probably didnt install it make install
2579 2011-05-23 17:24:36 <lfm> meLon: add a -L path to the lib
2580 2011-05-23 17:24:42 <BlueMatt> diki: WTF???
2581 2011-05-23 17:24:52 <pirrr> I get around ~5megabytes/s for about €25
2582 2011-05-23 17:25:04 <BlueMatt> bytes?
2583 2011-05-23 17:25:05 <mtrlt> i got 100Mbit/s for 20 EUR/month when i was a student :P
2584 2011-05-23 17:25:06 <lfm> meLon or try a ldconfig
2585 2011-05-23 17:25:22 <BlueMatt> I get like 10-16 Mbit/sec for a shitton more than that
2586 2011-05-23 17:25:29 <diki> my ISP offer 94 mbit for about $30 tho
2587 2011-05-23 17:25:33 <diki> *offers
2588 2011-05-23 17:25:37 <mtrlt> now it'd cost like 55 EUR
2589 2011-05-23 17:25:47 <Dekbit> damn USA sucks for bandwidth so bad
2590 2011-05-23 17:25:52 <meLon> lfm, what's the filename for the lib?
2591 2011-05-23 17:26:02 <BlueMatt> Im in .de and I cant get that
2592 2011-05-23 17:26:08 <pirrr> 713.1 G This month    5.0 T Total < NO LIMIT ;)
2593 2011-05-23 17:26:10 <lfm> libupnp*
2594 2011-05-23 17:26:18 <BlueMatt> meLon: libminiupnpc
2595 2011-05-23 17:26:26 <lfm> oh ok
2596 2011-05-23 17:26:28 <diki> so soon in USA there will be data caps?
2597 2011-05-23 17:26:29 <meLon> /usr/lib/libupnp.so.3
2598 2011-05-23 17:26:37 <BlueMatt> no libupnp is a different library
2599 2011-05-23 17:26:39 <BlueMatt> its miniupnpc
2600 2011-05-23 17:26:44 <lfm> libminiupnp*
2601 2011-05-23 17:26:47 <BlueMatt> c
2602 2011-05-23 17:27:54 <meLon> Hmmm, I am unable to find any libminiupnp*.  I have checked to make sure the make install ran, and it did
2603 2011-05-23 17:28:17 <BlueMatt> did you install libupnp instead of miniupc?
2604 2011-05-23 17:28:25 <BlueMatt> miniupnpc*
2605 2011-05-23 17:28:28 <meLon> minissdpd-1.0.20110523
2606 2011-05-23 17:28:29 <lfm> meLon: did you look in /usr/local/lib/?
2607 2011-05-23 17:28:33 <BlueMatt> nope
2608 2011-05-23 17:28:37 <meLon> >_<
2609 2011-05-23 17:28:42 <BlueMatt> http://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/
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2611 2011-05-23 17:29:27 <BlueMatt> what was that about having read build-unix.txt ?
2612 2011-05-23 17:29:55 <meLon> HEY NOW!!! I went to the site.  I just grabbed the wrong tar :P
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2614 2011-05-23 17:30:09 <BlueMatt> lol, just messing
2615 2011-05-23 17:30:24 <BlueMatt> you want miniupnpc-1.5.tar.gz
2616 2011-05-23 17:31:56 <jaromil> hi bluematt
2617 2011-05-23 17:32:07 <jaromil> miniupnp is a problem in ubuntu there is no package...
2618 2011-05-23 17:32:07 <meLon> Progress :D.    src/db.cpp:811: undefined reference to `fUseUPnP'  |   src/serialize.h:136: undefined reference to `fUseUPnP'
2619 2011-05-23 17:32:23 <jaromil> for my builds i've solved it including it static in the source...
2620 2011-05-23 17:32:40 <BlueMatt> meLon: you need to make clean
2621 2011-05-23 17:32:41 <jaromil> just mentioning in case more people is interested in that approach i have it ready
2622 2011-05-23 17:32:51 <BlueMatt> jaromil: why would you do that?
2623 2011-05-23 17:33:04 <BlueMatt> just download and install it
2624 2011-05-23 17:33:28 <jaromil> to automatize package creation and have it easy built on more platforms...
2625 2011-05-23 17:33:43 <jaromil> i find it very handy, also less cruft around
2626 2011-05-23 17:33:55 <BlueMatt> just write a simple script to download and build it
2627 2011-05-23 17:34:04 <BlueMatt> gitian does it already...really not that hard
2628 2011-05-23 17:34:10 <jaromil> also miniupnp has api changes and they are sloppy
2629 2011-05-23 17:34:22 <BlueMatt> so use the 1.5 version and not the random daily builds
2630 2011-05-23 17:34:25 <jaromil> one recent gave me an hour of hitch
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2632 2011-05-23 17:34:52 <BlueMatt> build-unix.txt pretty clearly says 1.5 not 1.5.DAILY
2633 2011-05-23 17:35:04 <jaromil> well, i'm an autotools junkie :) and always preferred to include source that is not stable and everywhere
2634 2011-05-23 17:35:16 <BlueMatt> and yet miniupnp is
2635 2011-05-23 17:35:21 <lfm> bluematt build-unix.txt is only usefull for people who can read
2636 2011-05-23 17:35:36 <meLon> This make clean is taking longer than the make, BlueMatt :P
2637 2011-05-23 17:35:37 <BlueMatt> lfm: and I dont support those who cant ;P
2638 2011-05-23 17:35:43 <BlueMatt> meLon: wtf?
2639 2011-05-23 17:35:55 <BlueMatt> make clean just removes obj/* and cryptopp/obj/*
2640 2011-05-23 17:36:03 <BlueMatt> how can rm -rf take long?
2641 2011-05-23 17:36:11 <meLon> It compiled it too, actually BlueMatt
2642 2011-05-23 17:36:18 <BlueMatt> huh?
2643 2011-05-23 17:36:25 <BlueMatt> so you called make clean bitcoin then?
2644 2011-05-23 17:36:26 <lfm> meLon: huh?
2645 2011-05-23 17:36:32 <meLon> make clean -f makefile.unix bitcoind
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2647 2011-05-23 17:36:38 <meLon> I ran that, it rm -f some files
2648 2011-05-23 17:36:41 <lfm> oh! ya
2649 2011-05-23 17:36:41 <meLon> Then it compiled it
2650 2011-05-23 17:36:41 <luke-jr> this is why we need autoconf!
2651 2011-05-23 17:37:04 <BlueMatt> yea make -f makefile.unix clean cleans then bitcoind builds bitcoind
2652 2011-05-23 17:37:04 <meLon> make -f makefile.unix bitcoind > make: `bitcoind' is up to date.
2653 2011-05-23 17:37:10 <jaromil> i can even see more reasons :)
2654 2011-05-23 17:37:11 <BlueMatt> you didnt clea
2655 2011-05-23 17:37:12 <BlueMatt> n
2656 2011-05-23 17:37:22 <meLon> make clean would not run
2657 2011-05-23 17:37:24 <lfm> meLon: relace bitcoind with clean, dont add clean
2658 2011-05-23 17:37:34 <Diablo-D3> you can make clean bitcoind though
2659 2011-05-23 17:37:34 <BlueMatt> meLon: because you specified it before the file
2660 2011-05-23 17:37:36 <meLon> ohhh, i see
2661 2011-05-23 17:37:38 <Diablo-D3> at least, you're supposed to be able to
2662 2011-05-23 17:37:41 <BlueMatt> so it didnt know which makefile
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2664 2011-05-23 17:37:49 <meLon> make -f makefile.unix clean
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2666 2011-05-23 17:37:55 <meLon> Now I will compile it again :D
2667 2011-05-23 17:37:55 <lfm> melon ya
2668 2011-05-23 17:38:11 <BlueMatt> no, I dont argue we dont need autotools, I just dont see why so many people have so many problems
2669 2011-05-23 17:38:13 <meLon> Thanks for being patient with me <3
2670 2011-05-23 17:38:13 <lfm> meLon: have fun
2671 2011-05-23 17:38:22 <BlueMatt> worst case use gitian, its all automatic and simple
2672 2011-05-23 17:38:41 <lfm> meLon: hint "ln -s makefile.unix Makefile
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2676 2011-05-23 17:40:14 <meLon> Mmm, sexy :D
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2678 2011-05-23 17:42:12 <SlytheeTove> Hi all.
2679 2011-05-23 17:42:21 <BlueMatt> hell
2680 2011-05-23 17:42:22 <BlueMatt> o
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2682 2011-05-23 17:42:39 <SlytheeTove> anyone here actually ever buy anything with bitcoins?
2683 2011-05-23 17:43:05 <luke-jr> yeah
2684 2011-05-23 17:43:07 <luke-jr> baby wipes
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2686 2011-05-23 17:43:17 <SlytheeTove> from who for how much?
2687 2011-05-23 17:43:24 <SlytheeTove> tell me all about it
2688 2011-05-23 17:43:27 <BlueMatt> try #bitcoin-otc
2689 2011-05-23 17:43:33 <BlueMatt> there are plenty of things to buy/sell
2690 2011-05-23 17:44:41 <diki> So...what difficulty target do you guys recommend i should send to miners?
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2692 2011-05-23 17:44:48 <BlueMatt> 1?
2693 2011-05-23 17:44:52 <BlueMatt> maybe 2
2694 2011-05-23 17:44:52 <mtrlt> diki: 2^224-1
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2697 2011-05-23 17:45:11 <mtrlt> well yeah. if the pool grows bigger, upping the diff might be good
2698 2011-05-23 17:45:11 <diki> i actually have two choices
2699 2011-05-23 17:45:17 <diki> either diff 1 or the true diff
2700 2011-05-23 17:45:27 <mtrlt> lol why would you use the true diff
2701 2011-05-23 17:45:37 <mtrlt> that kinda defeats the purpose of a pool
2702 2011-05-23 17:45:48 <diki> because pushpoold stores block from the diff you specify
2703 2011-05-23 17:45:53 <BlueMatt> really defats the purpose
2704 2011-05-23 17:45:54 <diki> and those blocks are not real for me
2705 2011-05-23 17:46:03 <mtrlt> BlueMatt: yes. totally.
2706 2011-05-23 17:46:26 <lfm> diki diff 1 then
2707 2011-05-23 17:47:42 <lfm> diki if you get too much traffic try to make it diff 10 or something
2708 2011-05-23 17:48:00 <diki> that would require recompiling
2709 2011-05-23 17:48:05 <lfm> ya
2710 2011-05-23 17:48:20 <diki> this is a share, right?
2711 2011-05-23 17:48:23 <diki> in it's raw form http://pastebin.com/Hx5AyaYp
2712 2011-05-23 17:48:29 <diki> unsolved i mean
2713 2011-05-23 17:48:49 <lfm> diki ya it specifies what qualifies for a share
2714 2011-05-23 17:49:23 <diki> I've figured out some stuff, however i haven't understood yet how to: When the pool finds a block to insert it into a blocks table i make
2715 2011-05-23 17:49:47 <diki> since pushpoold, when it's found a block at easy target it still marks it as valid
2716 2011-05-23 17:50:16 <diki> My point is i don't know how to make it so i also get the block number the pool solved
2717 2011-05-23 17:50:33 <diki> and block hash to link it to blockexplorer
2718 2011-05-23 17:51:03 <lfm> blockexplorer will look up block numbers
2719 2011-05-23 17:51:27 <lfm> you dont need a hash
2720 2011-05-23 17:51:37 <diki> then how do i display a link to it?
2721 2011-05-23 17:51:45 <diki> just like deepbit
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2723 2011-05-23 17:52:57 <diki> Look at this example:pool finds block, but i have no idea which block # it is
2724 2011-05-23 17:53:00 <lfm> http://blockexplorer.com/b/120000
2725 2011-05-23 17:53:08 <lfm> where 120000 is the block number
2726 2011-05-23 17:53:23 <diki> and how do i find out the block number?
2727 2011-05-23 17:54:27 <lfm> I guess you're on your own for that
2728 2011-05-23 17:55:30 <diki> this is why software needs to have documentation
2729 2011-05-23 17:56:05 <lfm> what? you figured that out all on your own?!
2730 2011-05-23 17:56:13 <diki> huh?
2731 2011-05-23 17:57:22 <lfm> please excuse sarcasm
2732 2011-05-23 17:57:54 <Dekbit> no one involved in btc believes in documentation! blasphemy!
2733 2011-05-23 17:58:29 <BlueMatt> lol docs, you need to read the src to figure out how to use it
2734 2011-05-23 17:58:33 <BlueMatt> why would you do it any other way
2735 2011-05-23 17:59:20 <diki> cause it's the right way? I am not obligated to read the code even if it's open source
2736 2011-05-23 17:59:35 <diki> more so if i dont understand C/C++
2737 2011-05-23 17:59:45 <diki> especially if i dont know C/C++
2738 2011-05-23 18:00:23 <lfm> bitcoin is a plot to force people to learn c/c++
2739 2011-05-23 18:00:27 <BlueMatt> bullshit, you should always read the entire src...I know everything about kernel/X11/gnome/everything
2740 2011-05-23 18:00:39 <Dekbit> lol just cause you read the source doesnt make it good coding practice to not document
2741 2011-05-23 18:00:42 <Dekbit> that is just silly
2742 2011-05-23 18:01:04 <BlueMatt> yep, sadly no one has time to do that...
2743 2011-05-23 18:01:10 <lfm> oh you think we are being silly? well you're right!
2744 2011-05-23 18:01:46 <BlueMatt> ...no
2745 2011-05-23 18:02:08 <BlueMatt> us, silly? never
2746 2011-05-23 18:02:29 <lfm> no one expects the spanish inquisition!
2747 2011-05-23 18:02:39 <Dekbit> documenting your code actually saves time; just costs a little bit up front (and a lot of pain from people who dont like to do it)
2748 2011-05-23 18:03:09 <Dekbit> If you dont think you have time that is like not using object oriented design philosophies 'because it takes to long'. your shooting yourself in the foot
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2751 2011-05-23 18:04:14 <BlueMatt> that sounds great! so go write it if you do please
2752 2011-05-23 18:04:22 <Dekbit> lol trust me i do comment my code
2753 2011-05-23 18:04:30 <BlueMatt> great, satoshi didnt
2754 2011-05-23 18:04:39 <BlueMatt> so go comment it for us...
2755 2011-05-23 18:04:42 <Dekbit> and apparently you support that decision. Real tough stance your taking
2756 2011-05-23 18:04:47 <Dekbit> way to dismiss a valid argument
2757 2011-05-23 18:04:50 <BlueMatt> seriously, that sounds all noble and whatnot but irl...
2758 2011-05-23 18:05:02 <erbs> lol nanotube is a dipshit
2759 2011-05-23 18:05:08 <BlueMatt> look, I wish the code was commented I do
2760 2011-05-23 18:05:11 <erbs> apparently hes banned all discussion of mtgox on -pit
2761 2011-05-23 18:05:13 <BlueMatt> and I agree its better to do that
2762 2011-05-23 18:05:22 <BlueMatt> erbs: that is the whole point of -pit
2763 2011-05-23 18:05:27 <nanotube> lol erbs is about to be kicked from -dev too
2764 2011-05-23 18:05:28 <BlueMatt> that is why it was founded
2765 2011-05-23 18:05:44 <erbs> exactly BlueMatt. that dispshit obviously doesnt know what a trading pit is
2766 2011-05-23 18:05:46 <BlueMatt> but satoshi didnt comment bitcoin and no one has the time to go back and do it
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2768 2011-05-23 18:06:06 <BlueMatt> by the time you learn all about bitcoin enough to comment it, you no longer really need it then you dont do it
2769 2011-05-23 18:06:12 <BlueMatt> it might help new people but not current devs
2770 2011-05-23 18:06:24 <BlueMatt> erbs: discussion of mtgox is not trading discussion
2771 2011-05-23 18:06:30 <erbs> yes it is
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2773 2011-05-23 18:06:36 <BlueMatt> and please stop arguing that here
2774 2011-05-23 18:06:43 <BlueMatt> and dont randomly insult people for no reason
2775 2011-05-23 18:07:05 <erbs> you're the only one arguing. <@BlueMatt> erbs: that is the whole point of -pit  <@BlueMatt> erbs: discussion of mtgox is not trading discussion   way to contradict yourself bro
2776 2011-05-23 18:07:14 <Dekbit> Ok i understand what your saying completely. But spending the time to learn the entire code base just to add comments is ridiculous, someone needs to do it who already has that working knowledge. Then it would be done for other people to be able to enter more easily and help those "overworked" devs
2777 2011-05-23 18:07:21 <BlueMatt> ok, I suppose my point was this discussion is done
2778 2011-05-23 18:07:47 <BlueMatt> Dekbit: yep good point, but again no existing devs have time...
2779 2011-05-23 18:07:58 <BlueMatt> and frankly, its not _that_ hard to figure out
2780 2011-05-23 18:07:59 <Dekbit> system is locked into failure then
2781 2011-05-23 18:08:12 <Dekbit> will just get harder to do with time as code base grows but thats all i will say
2782 2011-05-23 18:08:19 <BlueMatt> if you are going to invest the time to add some feature or change something, you can easily figure it out
2783 2011-05-23 18:08:33 <Dekbit> Sure I am just an advocate of always commenting the first time around
2784 2011-05-23 18:08:41 <BlueMatt> no I agree there
2785 2011-05-23 18:08:44 <Dekbit> obviously its too late for that here in a lot of ways
2786 2011-05-23 18:08:47 <BlueMatt> but that is not where we are anymore
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2789 2011-05-23 18:10:20 <lfm> Dekbit: yes and lack of docs makes it harder to find people willing to dive into undoced code
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2792 2011-05-23 18:11:09 <lfm> we should hunt down Satoshi and lock him in a room till he writes the missing docs
2793 2011-05-23 18:11:20 <Dekbit> its a vicious cycle. But i am more interested in the elements currently being coded actively such as the pools being released, etc
2794 2011-05-23 18:11:41 <Dekbit> I understand where bluematt is coming from cant help what satoshi did what you suggest lfm is about the only way
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2796 2011-05-23 18:12:45 <lfm> pools are a distraction as I understand bitcoin. they are born of gambler's falacy and perpetuated by pool admins they prey on people who dont know what gambler's falacies are.
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2798 2011-05-23 18:13:00 <Dekbit> actually pools fix a flaw in bitcoins original design
2799 2011-05-23 18:13:11 <Dekbit> but the fact they are run privately is exactly as you describe
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2801 2011-05-23 18:13:35 <Dekbit> bitcoin could just pay out like a pool currently does to all participants and spread wealth more widely without a fee
2802 2011-05-23 18:13:55 <lfm> the flaw being Satoshi didnt expect so many people would fall for gambler's falacies
2803 2011-05-23 18:14:05 <Dekbit> yes and didnt see the rise of GPU
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2805 2011-05-23 18:15:18 <lfm> was never intended to "spread wealth" it was reward proof of work. the fact that gpu work faster than cpu is unsurprising
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2807 2011-05-23 18:15:56 <Dekbit> no but people participaiting with tiny fractions of total network hashing speed have virtually no chance of a payout. That forces them to pool (even if taking a cut) just to get something out of the effort they expend mining
2808 2011-05-23 18:16:21 <Dekbit> so why not incentivize those people directly
2809 2011-05-23 18:16:25 <lfm> nothing forces them to pool but their own delusions
2810 2011-05-23 18:16:31 <Dekbit> with tiny fractions of the generated payout equal to their relative worth to the network
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2813 2011-05-23 18:18:28 <meLon> BlueMatt, As long as I have hasespersec value greater than 0, I have the chance of getting a BC, eh?
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2815 2011-05-23 18:18:40 <Dekbit> lol
2816 2011-05-23 18:18:47 <lfm> melon right
2817 2011-05-23 18:19:07 <meLon> I dont understand how they are tied to me.  I haven't set up anything other than rcp account information
2818 2011-05-23 18:19:12 <lfm> every single hash has the same chance of geting a block
2819 2011-05-23 18:19:14 <BlueMatt> meLon: technically, yes...though 10-20 years is likely for 50 btc
2820 2011-05-23 18:19:33 <BlueMatt> and thousands in power costs
2821 2011-05-23 18:20:15 <meLon> This bitcoind 'client' only uses CPU, correct?
2822 2011-05-23 18:20:19 <Dekbit> My point is someone like meLon isnt going to mine for 10 years for a 50 btc payout. But he might be more interested to mine for 5 weeks for .96btc
2823 2011-05-23 18:20:29 <Dekbit> that is what leads to pooling
2824 2011-05-23 18:21:04 <meLon> naw, I'm just tired of wasting my CPU/GPU's on SETI and F@H, especially since i found out SETI wont release any information until the gov't says it's okay :P
2825 2011-05-23 18:21:09 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 500
2826 2011-05-23 18:21:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500 Khps, given current difficulty of 244139.48158254 , is 66 years, 26 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, 29 minutes, and 38 seconds
2827 2011-05-23 18:21:12 <Dekbit> good choice :)
2828 2011-05-23 18:21:16 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 5000
2829 2011-05-23 18:21:16 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 5000 Khps, given current difficulty of 244139.48158254 , is 6 years, 33 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 56 minutes, and 57 seconds
2830 2011-05-23 18:21:18 <Dekbit> Seti only searches narrow band anyway
2831 2011-05-23 18:21:22 <lfm> ;;bc,gen 5000
2832 2011-05-23 18:21:23 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 5000 Khps, given current difficulty of 244139.48158254 , is 0.0205994617106 BTC per day and 0.00085831090461 BTC per hour.
2833 2011-05-23 18:21:24 <erbs> Folkinshteyn is goin down lol
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2835 2011-05-23 18:21:47 <erbs> next stop pennsylvania
2836 2011-05-23 18:22:23 <MaKyOtO> Dear all, do you know how to fix the idle problem on phoenix miner ?
2837 2011-05-23 18:22:47 <lfm> nope
2838 2011-05-23 18:22:51 <erbs> do you live with grandma Galina ?
2839 2011-05-23 18:22:56 <meLon> I am interested in GPU mining as well.  Is there a specific GPU client you guys would recommend I look up?
2840 2011-05-23 18:22:57 <MaKyOtO> :(
2841 2011-05-23 18:23:13 <meLon> (Linux, mostly Nvidia gpu's)
2842 2011-05-23 18:23:17 <meLon> MMM CUDA
2843 2011-05-23 18:23:28 <erbs> perkasie is a nice town
2844 2011-05-23 18:23:33 <lfm> melon the gpu miners are all very close. feel free to use any of them
2845 2011-05-23 18:23:50 <diki> According to pushpoold this is the block i solved
2846 2011-05-23 18:23:50 <diki> http://pastebin.com/SE7YB1mH
2847 2011-05-23 18:23:57 <diki> However, on testnet there is no such block
2848 2011-05-23 18:24:10 <MaKyOtO> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
2849 2011-05-23 18:24:31 <lfm> diki when was that? testpool takes a while to get updates
2850 2011-05-23 18:25:01 <diki> well after the site updated
2851 2011-05-23 18:25:12 <diki> i am sure that one is mine
2852 2011-05-23 18:25:23 <diki> However nothing of that is on testnet
2853 2011-05-23 18:25:27 <diki> nor my wallet address
2854 2011-05-23 18:25:44 <erbs> dfolkins
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2857 2011-05-23 18:27:07 <meLon> Ugh, half of the forum threads are 404's >_<
2858 2011-05-23 18:29:00 <meLon> Everything I've read says that you jerks stole all the BC's at the beginning and it'll take me 10y to get a bitcoin :P
2859 2011-05-23 18:30:11 <mtrlt> you should've heard of bitcoin a year ago :P
2860 2011-05-23 18:30:11 <Dekbit> thats 100% true
2861 2011-05-23 18:30:14 <mtrlt> (i should have too)
2862 2011-05-23 18:30:23 <Dekbit> you are definitely too late to make a ton of free money for nothing
2863 2011-05-23 18:30:42 <Dekbit> Just the way the system was set up and then executed
2864 2011-05-23 18:30:47 <meLon> Makes sense
2865 2011-05-23 18:30:58 <mtrlt> well if bitcoin gets even bigger.
2866 2011-05-23 18:31:09 <mtrlt> then it'd be another story
2867 2011-05-23 18:31:10 <mtrlt> :P
2868 2011-05-23 18:31:10 <Dekbit> use poclbm or phoenix or diablominer for gpu mining
2869 2011-05-23 18:31:27 <meLon> ;;bc,calc 1877588
2870 2011-05-23 18:31:28 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1877588 Khps, given current difficulty of 244139.48158254 , is 6 days, 11 hours, 7 minutes, and 47 seconds
2871 2011-05-23 18:32:23 <meLon> Dekbit, taking a look at diablominer, ty
2872 2011-05-23 18:32:53 <erbs> PERKASIE MOTHERFUCKER!
2873 2011-05-23 18:32:56 <erbs> lol
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2877 2011-05-23 18:36:59 <meLon> Hmmm seems diablominder needs x, Dekbit
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2879 2011-05-23 18:37:42 <diki> ;;define perkasie
2880 2011-05-23 18:37:42 <gribble> Error: "define" is not a valid command.
2881 2011-05-23 18:37:52 <diki> ;;google define:perkasie
2882 2011-05-23 18:37:52 <gribble> Perkasie Borough: <http://www.perkasieborough.org/>; Perkasie | Free Music, Tour Dates, Photos, Videos: <http://www.myspace.com/perkasieband>; Perkasie, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perkasie,_Pennsylvania>
2883 2011-05-23 18:38:10 <erbs> its where galina and leo live
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2889 2011-05-23 18:44:49 <diki> i could try and use some trick to get the number of the solved block, but it would require about 2-3 minutes delay before i can
2890 2011-05-23 18:45:09 <diki> isn't there a way to get the damn block number on solve time?
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2895 2011-05-23 18:52:41 <Sage> hey
2896 2011-05-23 18:52:59 <Sage> is here any experienced miner who uses 6990?
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2898 2011-05-23 18:53:15 <journeyofrivers> hey all
2899 2011-05-23 18:53:53 <Sage> i need help with my 6990 :(
2900 2011-05-23 18:54:01 <journeyofrivers> any one know why sendfrom in jsonRPCClient under PHP just dies?
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2902 2011-05-23 18:54:33 <mtrlt> Sage: windows or linux? i have many 6990s on windows
2903 2011-05-23 18:54:43 <journeyofrivers> I'm obviously not the first to ask said question?
2904 2011-05-23 18:55:04 <Sage> its problem with temperature, not system
2905 2011-05-23 18:55:12 <mtrlt> ah :P
2906 2011-05-23 18:55:14 <Sage> it works just fine on 700M
2907 2011-05-23 18:55:26 <Sage> but my pc froze three times
2908 2011-05-23 18:55:33 <mtrlt> 700MHz? or 700MH/s
2909 2011-05-23 18:55:36 <Sage> has something like that ever happened to you?
2910 2011-05-23 18:55:38 <Sage> MH/s
2911 2011-05-23 18:55:43 <mtrlt> nope.
2912 2011-05-23 18:55:46 <mtrlt> they work fine.
2913 2011-05-23 18:55:50 <Sage> how do you cool them?
2914 2011-05-23 18:55:55 <mtrlt> lemme show a pic
2915 2011-05-23 18:56:04 <Sage> cause mine is hot as hell itself
2916 2011-05-23 18:56:04 <mtrlt> http://zerosignalgame.com/rig_cooling.jpg <-
2917 2011-05-23 18:56:13 <ntosme21> what are you guys using for multiple cards per board?
2918 2011-05-23 18:56:13 <mtrlt> all cards currently around 65-70 degrees
2919 2011-05-23 18:56:39 <mtrlt> the ambient temp is probably a bit under 20
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2922 2011-05-23 18:56:52 <meLon> lolol mtrlt
2923 2011-05-23 18:56:52 <Sage> mine is 68 but i have to use only one core
2924 2011-05-23 18:57:11 <diki> that's some bad hat harry
2925 2011-05-23 18:57:15 <mtrlt> Sage: what happens if you use both cores?
2926 2011-05-23 18:57:23 <Sage> total overheat
2927 2011-05-23 18:57:29 <mtrlt> :P
2928 2011-05-23 18:57:34 <Sage> it goes higher than 85
2929 2011-05-23 18:57:36 <diki> anyway, why the crap camera?
2930 2011-05-23 18:57:36 <mtrlt> that's a common problem with 6990s. how to cool 'em
2931 2011-05-23 18:57:39 <gjs278> Sage lower your memclock
2932 2011-05-23 18:57:39 <Sage> then pc freezes
2933 2011-05-23 18:57:42 <diki> looks like a picture from a 1990s cam
2934 2011-05-23 18:57:55 <mtrlt> diki: i only had my n810 available at that time and even though it was released in 2007, it has a 640x480 camera :D
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2937 2011-05-23 18:58:06 <gjs278> put the fan speed at 100
2938 2011-05-23 18:58:10 <diki> what?
2939 2011-05-23 18:58:11 <gjs278> put 120mm fan on the back of the card
2940 2011-05-23 18:58:16 <diki> no way it was 480p...
2941 2011-05-23 18:58:21 <diki> more like a VGA camera
2942 2011-05-23 18:58:24 <mtrlt> diki: nokia n810
2943 2011-05-23 18:58:27 <gjs278> put 120mm fan near the intake fan of the card itself blowing away from it
2944 2011-05-23 18:58:30 <mtrlt> diki: VGA _is_ 640x480
2945 2011-05-23 18:58:44 <gjs278> I run my 5970 at 77C with 60% fan speed that way
2946 2011-05-23 18:59:07 <Sage> the intake fan is the one on the end?
2947 2011-05-23 18:59:14 <Sage> the hole in the case? :D
2948 2011-05-23 18:59:15 <gjs278> does your 6990 only have one fan
2949 2011-05-23 18:59:32 <gjs278> near the end
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2951 2011-05-23 18:59:49 <gjs278> or is yours in the middle
2952 2011-05-23 18:59:55 <Sage> mine is in the middle
2953 2011-05-23 19:00:09 <gjs278> oh ok
2954 2011-05-23 19:00:10 <gjs278> hmm
2955 2011-05-23 19:00:15 <Sage> and its facing the power supply, because my pc case is a bit weird
2956 2011-05-23 19:00:31 <gjs278> can you fit a 120mm fan behind it
2957 2011-05-23 19:00:33 <Sage> but the supply is cool
2958 2011-05-23 19:00:51 <Sage> so once again: where do you want me to put that fan?
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2960 2011-05-23 19:01:04 <Sage> behind like at the end inside the case?
2961 2011-05-23 19:01:11 <gjs278> I'll draw it out
2962 2011-05-23 19:01:13 <luke-jr> omg seriously
2963 2011-05-23 19:01:19 <luke-jr> RHEL 6 is only db 4.7?
2964 2011-05-23 19:01:43 <diki> luke...can you tell me how you get your solved blocks?
2965 2011-05-23 19:01:53 <diki> pushpool does not tell me the block number
2966 2011-05-23 19:01:56 <Sage> i have 120mm fan in case, but its kinda useless
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2968 2011-05-23 19:02:08 <Sage> its near the cpu, but mine cpu isnt really being used
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2970 2011-05-23 19:02:59 <gjs278> Sage http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8854/screenshothp.png
2971 2011-05-23 19:03:09 <gjs278> put the fan over it with the air blowing away
2972 2011-05-23 19:03:14 <gjs278> right in that red square
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2974 2011-05-23 19:03:36 <Sage> oh right
2975 2011-05-23 19:03:59 <gjs278> it will help but it probably will only get you to about 82C
2976 2011-05-23 19:04:09 <gjs278> other than that you'll have to lower the memclock most likely
2977 2011-05-23 19:04:15 <gjs278> which will help a good 5C as well
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2979 2011-05-23 19:04:34 <Sage> and how do i do that (catalyst wont let me) and how low should i set it?
2980 2011-05-23 19:04:40 <gjs278> msi afterburner
2981 2011-05-23 19:04:49 <gjs278> it's a piece of crap, but it can do it
2982 2011-05-23 19:04:54 <Sage> i use sapphire
2983 2011-05-23 19:04:57 <mtrlt> msi afterburner works fine :)
2984 2011-05-23 19:05:02 <mtrlt> and works for all brands
2985 2011-05-23 19:05:04 <gjs278> afterburner will work on any card
2986 2011-05-23 19:05:06 <Sage> oh cool
2987 2011-05-23 19:05:13 <Sage> because i had some problems with gigabyte software
2988 2011-05-23 19:05:14 <gjs278> asus smartdoctor only works on asus cards and it is a piece of crap as well
2989 2011-05-23 19:05:32 <gjs278> most people on the 5970s shoot for 300 memclock
2990 2011-05-23 19:06:08 <mtrlt> my 6990s work fine at 400 mem clock
2991 2011-05-23 19:06:16 <mtrlt> 300 made them crash and stuff
2992 2011-05-23 19:06:29 <gjs278> 400 wins then
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2994 2011-05-23 19:06:44 <mtrlt> if you're feeling adventurous, you can try 350 too :P
2995 2011-05-23 19:07:41 <Sage> ok
2996 2011-05-23 19:07:46 <Sage> so i set up the fan you advised
2997 2011-05-23 19:07:57 <Sage> maybe it was better idea to turn the pc off during doing it :D
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3000 2011-05-23 19:08:20 <swarngoggle> nanotube banned me, so i'll drop his dox i guess. nanotube is Daniel Folkinshteyn (dfolkins@temple.edu, dfolkins@gmail.com, nanotube@gmail.com, daniel.folkinshteyn@yale.edu [class of 02, Biology])  215-204-8108, 267-468-8360. linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-folkinshteyn/0/5b3/884.
3001 2011-05-23 19:08:21 <swarngoggle> Parents: Galina & Leo - 3555 Ridge Rd., Perkasie, PA 18944
3002 2011-05-23 19:08:21 <swarngoggle> e-mail logs of nanotube's non-stop insanity sent to his advisor and dept. chair @ temple.  good times... enjoy explaining that shit nanoboob. looool
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3005 2011-05-23 19:08:36 <Sage> the fan is supposed to lay on the card?
3006 2011-05-23 19:08:52 <Sage> or be a bit away?
3007 2011-05-23 19:09:21 <gjs278> I put mine on the card
3008 2011-05-23 19:09:29 <gjs278> only because I have nothing securing the fan
3009 2011-05-23 19:09:34 <gjs278> except for the fact that it is laying on the card
3010 2011-05-23 19:09:43 <Sage> ok
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3012 2011-05-23 19:09:51 <Sage> but it doesnt look like it helped much
3013 2011-05-23 19:09:51 <harnkrove> nanotube banned me, so i'll drop his dox i guess. nanotube is Daniel Folkinshteyn (dfolkins@temple.edu, dfolkins@gmail.com, nanotube@gmail.com, daniel.folkinshteyn@yale.edu [class of 02, Biology])  215-204-8108, 267-468-8360. linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-folkinshteyn/0/5b3/884.
3014 2011-05-23 19:09:52 <harnkrove> Parents: Galina & Leo - 3555 Ridge Rd., Perkasie, PA 18944 e-mail logs of nanotube's non-stop insanity sent to his advisor and dept. chair @ temple.  good times... enjoy explaining that shit nanoboob. looool
3015 2011-05-23 19:09:52 <harnkrove> nanotube banned me, so i'll drop his dox i guess. nanotube is Daniel Folkinshteyn (dfolkins@temple.edu, dfolkins@gmail.com, nanotube@gmail.com, daniel.folkinshteyn@yale.edu [class of 02, Biology])  215-204-8108, 267-468-8360. linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-folkinshteyn/0/5b3/884.
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3017 2011-05-23 19:10:07 <Sage> anyway, do you think its still profitable to mine?
3018 2011-05-23 19:10:12 <mtrlt> absolutely
3019 2011-05-23 19:10:18 <Sage> the difficulty is striking pretty hard
3020 2011-05-23 19:10:23 <mtrlt> still costs me $0.56 or $0.57 for one bitcoin
3021 2011-05-23 19:10:25 <Sage> i just bought mine card today
3022 2011-05-23 19:10:29 <mtrlt> and btc prices are in $7 ...
3023 2011-05-23 19:10:41 <Sage> and i have only 1
3024 2011-05-23 19:10:43 <mtrlt> it's crazily profitable
3025 2011-05-23 19:10:44 <BlueMatt> wtf is wrong with that guy?
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3028 2011-05-23 19:11:19 <BlueMatt> nanotube: why does that guy hate you?
3029 2011-05-23 19:11:20 <mtrlt> Sage: if you have money, buy more if you dare ;-)
3030 2011-05-23 19:11:36 <Sage> mtrlt: thats the problem
3031 2011-05-23 19:11:45 <Sage> and my mb only has one slot -.-
3032 2011-05-23 19:11:52 <mtrlt> :(
3033 2011-05-23 19:11:59 <Sage> thats why i didnt buy some cheaper card
3034 2011-05-23 19:12:24 <BlueMatt> and why does he think hes so cool because he can use google?
3035 2011-05-23 19:12:39 <gjs278> I wish I had a subscription to google search
3036 2011-05-23 19:12:43 <Sage> so far 69° stable
3037 2011-05-23 19:12:45 <gjs278> then I could know all of these things
3038 2011-05-23 19:13:01 <Sage> running only 20 minutes so far
3039 2011-05-23 19:13:07 <Sage> and still only on one core
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3043 2011-05-23 19:13:46 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
3044 2011-05-23 19:13:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126097 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 910 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, 30 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 384994.71284057
3045 2011-05-23 19:14:20 <Sage> 3 days
3046 2011-05-23 19:14:35 <Sage> how many blocks per hour are mined atm?
3047 2011-05-23 19:15:20 <MemoryException> about 11 blocks/hr
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3049 2011-05-23 19:15:29 <Sage> a bit too much..
3050 2011-05-23 19:15:33 <Sage> isnt it supposed to be 6?
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3052 2011-05-23 19:15:58 <diki> oh man...next diff is the biggest raper ever
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3054 2011-05-23 19:16:10 <Sage> ok same problem with afterburner as with catalyst
3055 2011-05-23 19:16:16 <Sage> wont let me go below 600
3056 2011-05-23 19:16:26 <diki> it's locked via bios i guess
3057 2011-05-23 19:16:40 <Sage> damn i feel like such a noob
3058 2011-05-23 19:16:45 <Sage> but i couldnt find it in bios
3059 2011-05-23 19:16:50 <MemoryException> ya, 6/hr sounds about right.  I'm starting to regret buying 2 new GPUs :P
3060 2011-05-23 19:16:55 <diki> okay then it could be hard-wired
3061 2011-05-23 19:17:07 <MemoryException> next diff is rough
3062 2011-05-23 19:17:38 <diki> why do you regret?
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3064 2011-05-23 19:17:45 <BlueMatt> whats the 2 character short version of esperanto?
3065 2011-05-23 19:17:55 <diki> espresso?
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3067 2011-05-23 19:18:25 <MemoryException> diki: my return on investment for those two cards is likely to take a long time with the new difficulty rating.  hopefully it ends up paying off eventually :)
3068 2011-05-23 19:18:36 <MemoryException> i won't receive the gpus before the updated difficulty
3069 2011-05-23 19:18:38 <BlueMatt> no the gay super-lanuage that no one speaks because no one cares to try to define a special language for global crap
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3071 2011-05-23 19:18:40 * BlueMatt ducks
3072 2011-05-23 19:18:51 <diki> MemoryException: i am going to buy a new GPU from USD earned only from BTC with one card
3073 2011-05-23 19:19:03 <diki> that excludes power bill tho
3074 2011-05-23 19:20:16 <MemoryException> diki: that's awesome. what card are you currently using? my current cards are all nvidia, so... my hashrate is unfortunate
3075 2011-05-23 19:21:44 <Sage> have you guys tried ati tools?
3076 2011-05-23 19:21:53 <diki> lol, check this out
3077 2011-05-23 19:21:54 <diki> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=9526.0
3078 2011-05-23 19:21:56 <Sage> ati tray tools
3079 2011-05-23 19:22:00 nan0tube has joined
3080 2011-05-23 19:22:01 <nan0tube> nanotube banned me, so i'll drop his dox i guess. nanotube is Daniel Folkinshteyn (dfolkins@temple.edu, dfolkins@gmail.com, nanotube@gmail.com, daniel.folkinshteyn@yale.edu [class of 02, Biology])  215-204-8108, 267-468-8360. linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-folkinshteyn/0/5b3/884.
3081 2011-05-23 19:22:02 <nan0tube> Parents: Galina & Leo - 3555 Ridge Rd., Perkasie, PA 18944 e-mail logs of nanotube's non-stop insanity sent to his advisor and dept. chair @ temple.  good times... enjoy explaining that shit nanoboob. looool
3082 2011-05-23 19:22:02 <nan0tube> nanotube banned me, so i'll drop his dox i guess. nanotube is Daniel Folkinshteyn (dfolkins@temple.edu, dfolkins@gmail.com, nanotube@gmail.com, daniel.folkinshteyn@yale.edu [class of 02, Biology])  215-204-8108, 267-468-8360. linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-folkinshteyn/0/5b3/884.
3083 2011-05-23 19:22:02 <nan0tube> Parents: Galina & Leo - 3555 Ridge Rd., Perkasie, PA 18944 e-mail logs of nanotube's non-stop insanity sent to his advisor and dept. chair @ temple.  good times... enjoy explaining that shit nanoboob. looool
3084 2011-05-23 19:22:02 <nan0tube> nanotube banned me, so i'll drop his dox i guess. nanotube is Daniel Folkinshteyn (dfolkins@temple.edu, dfolkins@gmail.com, nanotube@gmail.com, daniel.folkinshteyn@yale.edu [class of 02, Biology])  215-204-8108, 267-468-8360. linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-folkinshteyn/0/5b3/884.
3085 2011-05-23 19:22:02 <nan0tube> Parents: Galina & Leo - 3555 Ridge Rd., Perkasie, PA 18944 e-mail logs of nanotube's non-stop insanity sent to his advisor and dept. chair @ temple.  good times... enjoy explaining that shit nanoboob. looool
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3087 2011-05-23 19:22:11 <BlueMatt> god damnit
3088 2011-05-23 19:22:33 <diki> Bluematt do you have an idea how to get the block number my pool mined?
3089 2011-05-23 19:22:55 <BlueMatt> sorry other users of that isp
3090 2011-05-23 19:23:18 <BlueMatt> diki: as Ive said before, I dont know anything about and pool servers, stop asking me ;)
3091 2011-05-23 19:24:01 eternal1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
3092 2011-05-23 19:26:05 <gmaxwell> who was that troll and what was their beef?
3093 2011-05-23 19:26:13 Sage__ has joined
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3095 2011-05-23 19:26:16 <gjs278> trolls have no beef
3096 2011-05-23 19:26:20 <gjs278> trolls just want to watch the world burn
3097 2011-05-23 19:26:21 <Sage__> well
3098 2011-05-23 19:26:31 <gmaxwell> gjs278: they usually have an excuse.
3099 2011-05-23 19:26:39 <Sage__> setting my mem to 400 didnt work
3100 2011-05-23 19:27:09 <BlueMatt> seriously though, what a douche
3101 2011-05-23 19:27:17 <BlueMatt> I mean he is proud that he can google nanotube
3102 2011-05-23 19:27:24 <lianj> ^^
3103 2011-05-23 19:27:35 <nanotube> BlueMatt: heh yea.
3104 2011-05-23 19:27:55 <BlueMatt> why is he mad at you anyway?
3105 2011-05-23 19:28:33 <jercos> That was not a troll.
3106 2011-05-23 19:28:36 <jercos> Trolls are subtle
3107 2011-05-23 19:29:06 <gjs278> the second you are called a troll, you have failed at trolling
3108 2011-05-23 19:29:10 <gjs278> the is the rule I live by
3109 2011-05-23 19:29:23 <gjs278> that
3110 2011-05-23 19:30:09 <Sage__> ok, set both gpus to 405mhz mem and 830 cores
3111 2011-05-23 19:30:19 <Sage__> placed fan on the card
3112 2011-05-23 19:30:22 <Sage__> wish me luck :D
3113 2011-05-23 19:30:32 <Ramen> hehe
3114 2011-05-23 19:30:38 <Ramen> how much mhs are you doing?
3115 2011-05-23 19:30:50 <Sage__> 660-700
3116 2011-05-23 19:31:16 <Ramen> haha nice
3117 2011-05-23 19:31:33 <Sage__> no way im going to overclock it
3118 2011-05-23 19:31:46 <Sage__> the temperature keeps raising no matter what
3119 2011-05-23 19:32:05 <Sage__> i seriously dont get how did they do that
3120 2011-05-23 19:33:09 <diki> bluematt you once said you didn't know c/c++ yet sometimes you sound very techy and i even see a lot of pull requests on github
3121 2011-05-23 19:33:33 <Sage__> oh yea do you guys pool? :)
3122 2011-05-23 19:33:46 <gjs278> yes
3123 2011-05-23 19:33:47 <diki> yes we swim a lot
3124 2011-05-23 19:33:58 <BlueMatt> diki: I dont, but I know enough to get by...doesnt mean I know anything about setting up pushpool
3125 2011-05-23 19:33:58 <Sage__> what style?
3126 2011-05-23 19:34:09 <BlueMatt> if its a bitcoin problem, I can probably help...pushpool not so much
3127 2011-05-23 19:34:11 <diki> i am not talking about pushpool now
3128 2011-05-23 19:34:17 <gjs278> Sage__ you really should join a pool, with rising difficult you could possibly be way under the stable earnings of a pool
3129 2011-05-23 19:34:18 <BlueMatt> ?
3130 2011-05-23 19:34:24 <diki> in general you said you didnt know c/c++
3131 2011-05-23 19:34:28 <diki> or any programming at all
3132 2011-05-23 19:34:32 <Sage__> im actually inside the BTCmine
3133 2011-05-23 19:34:35 <BlueMatt> no I know some programming
3134 2011-05-23 19:34:42 <gjs278> damnit diki you have 10 seconds to ask the man what you want
3135 2011-05-23 19:34:43 <BlueMatt> not much c/c++ but I learn as I go
3136 2011-05-23 19:35:17 <diki> gjs278: What??
3137 2011-05-23 19:35:32 <Sage__> but i wanted to ask if there is any difference between them or whether i should join some other
3138 2011-05-23 19:35:50 <gjs278> I do deepbit but I am a heathen contributing to the 50% problem
3139 2011-05-23 19:36:09 * luke-jr glares
3140 2011-05-23 19:36:23 <BlueMatt> anyway...diki, I dont know of a command which will get you block gen id...
3141 2011-05-23 19:36:25 * diki hides in the bush
3142 2011-05-23 19:36:27 <luke-jr> Sage__: #Eligius
3143 2011-05-23 19:36:30 <Sage__> i only read about the 50% somewhere by chance, so i didnt join deepbit
3144 2011-05-23 19:36:33 <BlueMatt> I'd just go try a bunch and see ;)
3145 2011-05-23 19:36:41 <diki> Luke-jr knows matt
3146 2011-05-23 19:36:57 <Sage__> luke-jr whats that?
3147 2011-05-23 19:37:02 <BlueMatt> he does?
3148 2011-05-23 19:37:16 <diki> he has a pool? and even stores blocks in files..
3149 2011-05-23 19:37:18 <BlueMatt> probably
3150 2011-05-23 19:37:23 <nanotube> BlueMatt: he refused to stop talking OT on -pit, so i gave him a kban.
3151 2011-05-23 19:37:45 <diki> what is OT?
3152 2011-05-23 19:37:54 <BlueMatt> off topic
3153 2011-05-23 19:38:01 <BlueMatt> nanotube: why have you not banned him from -otc yet?
3154 2011-05-23 19:38:34 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
3155 2011-05-23 19:38:34 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.6108,"vol":38033,"buy":7.011,"sell":7.0899,"last":7.0107}}
3156 2011-05-23 19:38:37 <luke-jr> Sage__: pool
3157 2011-05-23 19:38:46 <BlueMatt> nanotube: nvm
3158 2011-05-23 19:38:51 * BlueMatt is blind
3159 2011-05-23 19:39:11 * diki likes the new mtgox price
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3161 2011-05-23 19:39:14 <Sage__> luke-jr isnt it BTCmine now?
3162 2011-05-23 19:39:15 <largalo> nanotube banned me for talking about mtgox in #bitcoin-pit. what a dipshit. so now he has to explain to his advisor why he's spending all day trolling irc.
3163 2011-05-23 19:39:16 <largalo> nanotube banned me, so i'll drop his dox i guess. nanotube is Daniel Folkinshteyn (dfolkins@temple.edu, dfolkins@gmail.com, nanotube@gmail.com, daniel.folkinshteyn@yale.edu [class of 02, Biology])  215-204-8108, 267-468-8360. linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-folkinshteyn/0/5b3/884
3164 2011-05-23 19:39:16 <largalo> Parents: Galina & Leo - 3555 Ridge Rd., Perkasie, PA 18944 e-mail logs of nanotube's non-stop insanity sent to his advisor and dept. chair @ temple.  good times... enjoy explaining that shit nanoboob. looool
3165 2011-05-23 19:39:16 <largalo> nanotube banned me for talking about mtgox in #bitcoin-pit. what a dipshit. so now he has to explain to his advisor why he's spending all day trolling irc.
3166 2011-05-23 19:39:16 <largalo> nanotube banned me, so i'll drop his dox i guess. nanotube is Daniel Folkinshteyn (dfolkins@temple.edu, dfolkins@gmail.com, nanotube@gmail.com, daniel.folkinshteyn@yale.edu [class of 02, Biology])  215-204-8108, 267-468-8360. linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-folkinshteyn/0/5b3/884
3167 2011-05-23 19:39:16 largalo has left ()
3168 2011-05-23 19:39:21 <diki> zomg
3169 2011-05-23 19:39:24 <luke-jr> Sage__: no
3170 2011-05-23 19:39:24 <BlueMatt> oh god damnit
3171 2011-05-23 19:39:40 <jrmithdobbs> he's just going to keep doing it
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3173 2011-05-23 19:39:53 <BlueMatt> he has at least 2 isps...
3174 2011-05-23 19:39:56 <largalo> nanotube banned me for talking about mtgox in #bitcoin-pit. what a dipshit. so now he has to explain to his advisor why he's spending all day trolling irc.
3175 2011-05-23 19:39:56 <largalo> nanotube banned me, so i'll drop his dox i guess. nanotube is Daniel Folkinshteyn (dfolkins@temple.edu, dfolkins@gmail.com, nanotube@gmail.com, daniel.folkinshteyn@yale.edu [class of 02, Biology])  215-204-8108, 267-468-8360. linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-folkinshteyn/0/5b3/884
3176 2011-05-23 19:39:56 <largalo> Parents: Galina & Leo - 3555 Ridge Rd., Perkasie, PA 18944 e-mail logs of nanotube's non-stop insanity sent to his advisor and dept. chair @ temple.  good times... enjoy explaining that shit nanoboob. looool
3177 2011-05-23 19:39:56 <largalo> nanotube banned me for talking about mtgox in #bitcoin-pit. what a dipshit. so now he has to explain to his advisor why he's spending all day trolling irc.
3178 2011-05-23 19:39:56 <largalo> nanotube banned me, so i'll drop his dox i guess. nanotube is Daniel Folkinshteyn (dfolkins@temple.edu, dfolkins@gmail.com, nanotube@gmail.com, daniel.folkinshteyn@yale.edu [class of 02, Biology])  215-204-8108, 267-468-8360. linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-folkinshteyn/0/5b3/884
3179 2011-05-23 19:39:56 largalo has left ()
3180 2011-05-23 19:39:57 <jrmithdobbs> you're going to have half the internet banned before he stops.
3181 2011-05-23 19:40:08 <luke-jr> nanotube: mind if I add you on LinkedIn?
3182 2011-05-23 19:40:15 MaKyOtO has quit (Quit: —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 3.1 (December '08))
3183 2011-05-23 19:40:17 <nanotube> BlueMatt: setting ban on nicks is kinda useless.
3184 2011-05-23 19:40:26 <BlueMatt> nanotube: yea, clicked the wrong one
3185 2011-05-23 19:41:21 <Sage__> also may i ask: do you sell your btcs or just keep them so you can sell them later for more money?
3186 2011-05-23 19:41:27 <luke-jr> nanotube:
3187 2011-05-23 19:41:47 <nanotube> luke-jr: sure why not :)
3188 2011-05-23 19:41:50 <gjs278> I sell mine
3189 2011-05-23 19:42:12 <jrmithdobbs> lol
3190 2011-05-23 19:42:21 <jrmithdobbs> probably not the outcome he wanted out of that ;P
3191 2011-05-23 19:42:24 <gjs278> this is my sell chart http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1015/screenshotcr.png
3192 2011-05-23 19:42:45 <Sage__> cool
3193 2011-05-23 19:42:49 <Sage__> how long have you been mining?
3194 2011-05-23 19:42:53 <gjs278> march
3195 2011-05-23 19:43:30 <Sage__> thats awesome
3196 2011-05-23 19:43:44 <Sage__> i will get some money on august
3197 2011-05-23 19:43:46 <Sage__> like 2 grand
3198 2011-05-23 19:44:01 <Sage__> but dunno whether the mining still will be profitable to obtain cool rigs
3199 2011-05-23 19:44:05 <vegard> BlueMatt: if it persists, you could make a channel redirect to some channel, stay there, and give people (who are not this spammer) invites to here
3200 2011-05-23 19:44:22 <gjs278> just get him klined on rizon
3201 2011-05-23 19:44:23 <gjs278> er
3202 2011-05-23 19:44:25 <gjs278> freenode
3203 2011-05-23 19:44:27 <BlueMatt> vegard: ...sounds like too much work
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3205 2011-05-23 19:44:34 <gjs278> giving out personal information is probably grounds for it
3206 2011-05-23 19:44:52 <BlueMatt> yea, but its not like its not pretty much public personal info to begin with
3207 2011-05-23 19:44:54 <BlueMatt> sorry nanotube
3208 2011-05-23 19:45:05 <BlueMatt> though if nanotube wants to set it up, he by all means can
3209 2011-05-23 19:45:19 <BlueMatt> why did he not have op?
3210 2011-05-23 19:45:39 <Sage__> does your 6990 cards get much hotter than gpus itself?
3211 2011-05-23 19:45:44 <nanotube> since he's hopping addresses, not sure how much it'll do
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3215 2011-05-23 19:50:33 <Sage__> after 20 minutes i got stable 69°C
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3217 2011-05-23 19:52:11 <Sage__> oh no, 70
3218 2011-05-23 19:52:30 <Sage__> this is crazy
3219 2011-05-23 19:52:37 <Ramen> 70 is really good
3220 2011-05-23 19:52:42 <Ramen> my shit goes up to 100 C
3221 2011-05-23 19:52:49 <Ramen> well cpu
3222 2011-05-23 19:53:07 <Sage__> my old gtx460 was on stable 65°and wouldnt move from that all day long
3223 2011-05-23 19:53:21 <Sage__> but you cant compare the 40 to 660
3224 2011-05-23 19:53:35 <Ramen> sure you can ti's 11.5X
3225 2011-05-23 19:53:38 <Ramen> lol
3226 2011-05-23 19:53:47 <Sage__> Ramen it is 70 now, dunno how long will it take to heat up to 85
3227 2011-05-23 19:53:55 <Ramen> err i mean 16.5 o.o
3228 2011-05-23 19:54:16 <Sage__> we have sunny weather here, so during the day it will rise again
3229 2011-05-23 19:54:21 <Ramen> lol
3230 2011-05-23 19:54:29 <mtrlt> heh
3231 2011-05-23 19:54:31 <jrmithdobbs> Sage__: if it doesn't do it in 20-30 minutes of hitting full load it's not going to unless your airflow is bad
3232 2011-05-23 19:54:38 <sipa> BlueMatt: seen my gribble later earlier today?
3233 2011-05-23 19:54:39 <jrmithdobbs> and you have heat building up in the case
3234 2011-05-23 19:54:41 <Sage__> and i have to turn the thing off during the night because i have to stay a week with my parrents
3235 2011-05-23 19:54:53 <mtrlt> take the rig to your parents
3236 2011-05-23 19:54:54 <mtrlt> :P
3237 2011-05-23 19:55:13 <Sage__> i have it here - but the fans on card are noisy as hell
3238 2011-05-23 19:55:29 <mtrlt> ah
3239 2011-05-23 19:55:42 <mtrlt> 6990?
3240 2011-05-23 19:55:48 <Sage__> yup
3241 2011-05-23 19:55:59 <mtrlt> yep, it's a vacuum cleaner, at least at 100%
3242 2011-05-23 19:56:10 <Sage__> i dont dare to lower it
3243 2011-05-23 19:56:36 <mtrlt> how about downclocking for night
3244 2011-05-23 19:56:39 <Sage__> oh my new neighbours are going to love me
3245 2011-05-23 19:56:49 <Sage__> yea but dunno how low will i have to go
3246 2011-05-23 19:56:59 <Sage__> when its base temp its about 50
3247 2011-05-23 19:57:10 <Phoebus> My next desktop should be liquid cooling based... for now stuck on an asus laptop and missing desktops :/
3248 2011-05-23 19:57:10 <mtrlt> lol
3249 2011-05-23 19:57:30 <Sage__> i could go for one core only and set it to 500mhz
3250 2011-05-23 19:57:38 <mtrlt> yeah, better than nothing :P
3251 2011-05-23 19:57:40 <Sage__> and i will try it in 10 minutes :D
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3253 2011-05-23 19:58:03 <mtrlt> i had my first 6990 at like 600mhz for a day or two because of heat problems
3254 2011-05-23 19:58:09 <mtrlt> until i came up with my table fan solution :P
3255 2011-05-23 19:58:25 <Sage__> i bought corsair power supply with the card (i had only 600w before) and its amazing
3256 2011-05-23 19:58:47 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, sorry Ive been distracted
3257 2011-05-23 19:58:51 <sipa> no prob
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3259 2011-05-23 19:59:09 <Sage__> how much did you pay for the fans?
3260 2011-05-23 19:59:09 <BlueMatt> sipa: Im planning on actually doing a new patched branch, but Ive been bust trying to build proper wx packages for bitcoin ppa
3261 2011-05-23 19:59:18 <mtrlt> Sage__: 20 eur each
3262 2011-05-23 19:59:28 <sipa> BlueMatt: sure, i suppose that's more important currently
3263 2011-05-23 19:59:43 <Sage__> damnit.. i have to spend my last money on internet connection to my new appartment
3264 2011-05-23 19:59:48 <mtrlt> :p
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3266 2011-05-23 20:01:03 <DrewSJ> has anyone gotten three 6990s working in the same machine?
3267 2011-05-23 20:01:20 <mtrlt> DrewSJ: yes but the power connectors melt after a time
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3269 2011-05-23 20:01:21 <sipa> DrewSJ: OS?
3270 2011-05-23 20:01:27 <DrewSJ> Any
3271 2011-05-23 20:01:34 <DrewSJ> Windows preferred but willing to do linux
3272 2011-05-23 20:01:42 <DrewSJ> I'm a linux noob though. I couldnt get a single 6990 to work
3273 2011-05-23 20:01:44 <sipa> windows doesn't support more than 4 GPU's iirc
3274 2011-05-23 20:01:48 <DrewSJ> couldnt get the miner to recognize the GPUs
3275 2011-05-23 20:01:53 <ArtForzZy> DrewSJ: yes
3276 2011-05-23 20:01:54 <mtrlt> and the power connectors melt
3277 2011-05-23 20:01:57 <mtrlt> with 3x6990
3278 2011-05-23 20:02:05 <ArtForzZy> yep
3279 2011-05-23 20:02:07 <DrewSJ> melt?
3280 2011-05-23 20:02:12 <DrewSJ> because of the fan heat?
3281 2011-05-23 20:02:13 <mtrlt> yes, too much current
3282 2011-05-23 20:02:15 <DrewSJ> or because of the power useage?
3283 2011-05-23 20:02:19 <mtrlt> 75W per card but the limit is 150W
3284 2011-05-23 20:02:26 <ArtForzZy> either need spliced risers or upgraded ATX 12V pins
3285 2011-05-23 20:02:27 <mtrlt> -> meltage
3286 2011-05-23 20:02:38 <Sage__> anyway, can you use the gpu for other profiting uses than bitcoin?
3287 2011-05-23 20:02:46 <DrewSJ> I want to try three anyways
3288 2011-05-23 20:02:57 <mtrlt> well, they're not my power connectors, go ahead :P
3289 2011-05-23 20:03:00 <DrewSJ> :-D
3290 2011-05-23 20:03:25 <mtrlt> if you go ahead, do what ArtForzZy said
3291 2011-05-23 20:03:27 <DrewSJ> I read on the forums that you can get more than 4 GPUs to work on win 7
3292 2011-05-23 20:03:32 <mtrlt> or suffer the consequence
3293 2011-05-23 20:03:33 <mtrlt> s
3294 2011-05-23 20:04:01 <DrewSJ> upgraded 12v pins/
3295 2011-05-23 20:04:02 <DrewSJ> ?*
3296 2011-05-23 20:04:30 <phantomcircuit> Sage__, yes you can sell them to people who do crazy things like render millions of triangles with them
3297 2011-05-23 20:04:51 * BurtyBB is having problems getting Linux to understand more than 4 cards too :(
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3299 2011-05-23 20:05:12 <DrewSJ> This is the power supply I am using:
3300 2011-05-23 20:05:13 <DrewSJ> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153119&Tpk=TRX-1200M
3301 2011-05-23 20:05:17 <ArtForzZy> no problem with 4x5970 here, also built a 4x6990 rig for someone else
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3303 2011-05-23 20:05:21 <DrewSJ> Would it still melt?
3304 2011-05-23 20:05:36 <ArtForzZy> yes
3305 2011-05-23 20:05:44 <ArtForzZy> the pins in the ATX connector are rated for 2*6A
3306 2011-05-23 20:05:51 <ArtForzZy> each 6990 is pulling about 6A from the slot
3307 2011-05-23 20:06:10 <diki> 6 amps?
3308 2011-05-23 20:06:14 <ArtForzZy> yep
3309 2011-05-23 20:06:16 <diki> My 5850 pulls 80 amps man
3310 2011-05-23 20:06:19 <ArtForzZy> thats stock
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3312 2011-05-23 20:06:36 <DrewSJ> diki you must be talking about watts lol
3313 2011-05-23 20:06:38 <ArtForzZy> OCed they're about 7.4A each from the slot
3314 2011-05-23 20:06:39 <gmaxwell> ...
3315 2011-05-23 20:06:43 <diki> AMPS
3316 2011-05-23 20:06:43 <DrewSJ> Alright
3317 2011-05-23 20:06:46 <diki> amperage not watts
3318 2011-05-23 20:06:58 <gmaxwell> diki: 80a at 12 volts is about a kw.
3319 2011-05-23 20:06:58 <mtrlt> diki: 80 amps at 12v.. 960 W. sure?
3320 2011-05-23 20:07:00 <DrewSJ> I guess I'll build another machine rather than run three in one
3321 2011-05-23 20:07:33 <ArtForzZy> either that 5850 is on fire or you're mixing things up....
3322 2011-05-23 20:07:58 <diki> my vrms report that much amps
3323 2011-05-23 20:08:04 <ArtForzZy> *headdesk*
3324 2011-05-23 20:08:09 <gmaxwell> [...]
3325 2011-05-23 20:08:19 <mtrlt> what about voltage :P
3326 2011-05-23 20:08:22 <DrewSJ> ArtForzZy: How much $ would it cost to upgrade that power supply in order to handle three cards?
3327 2011-05-23 20:08:24 <diki> stock
3328 2011-05-23 20:08:26 <ArtForzZy> thats output current. at 1.05V or whever your core V is.
3329 2011-05-23 20:08:27 <diki> 1.087
3330 2011-05-23 20:08:34 <gmaxwell> It's talking about at the output voltage.
3331 2011-05-23 20:08:40 <ArtForzZy> DrewSJ: its not a PSU problem
3332 2011-05-23 20:08:50 <ArtForzZy> it's a mainboard problem
3333 2011-05-23 20:09:00 <DrewSJ> oh
3334 2011-05-23 20:09:01 <gjs278> run two, call it a day
3335 2011-05-23 20:09:01 <diki> how can it be a mobo problem?
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3337 2011-05-23 20:09:09 <diki> GPU VRM=80 amps
3338 2011-05-23 20:09:12 <gjs278> lol
3339 2011-05-23 20:09:12 <gmaxwell> because the cards draw power thorugh the slot.
3340 2011-05-23 20:09:12 <DrewSJ> Yeah I guess I dont really understand
3341 2011-05-23 20:09:14 <diki> under load
3342 2011-05-23 20:09:17 <gjs278> damnit diki
3343 2011-05-23 20:09:19 <gjs278> that's not possible
3344 2011-05-23 20:09:19 <mtrlt> DrewSJ: just run two boxes :p
3345 2011-05-23 20:09:21 <gmaxwell> The slot is only rated for a few amps top.
3346 2011-05-23 20:09:21 <ArtForzZy> plenty gamer boards have additional 5.25" molex or 6-pin PCIe connectors nobard to supply more 12V to the PCIe slots
3347 2011-05-23 20:09:21 <diki> without load it's 5-6
3348 2011-05-23 20:09:31 <ArtForzZy> *onboard
3349 2011-05-23 20:09:39 <gmaxwell> 13:02 < diki> GPU VRM=80 amps
3350 2011-05-23 20:09:46 <gmaxwell> thats at 1.08v
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3352 2011-05-23 20:09:54 <ArtForzZy> MSI really fucked up with the 790FX-GD70 and 890FXA-GD70 in that regard
3353 2011-05-23 20:09:55 <diki> yep
3354 2011-05-23 20:09:56 <gmaxwell> at the 12v pins it's about, say 7.5.
3355 2011-05-23 20:10:13 <diki> MSI have more blown VRMs than any other manufacterer
3356 2011-05-23 20:10:27 <ArtForzZy> diki: wtf are you talking about?
3357 2011-05-23 20:10:40 <gmaxwell> diki = random comment generator?
3358 2011-05-23 20:10:46 <DrewSJ> So you're saying the motherboard can't supply enough power to the cards
3359 2011-05-23 20:10:53 <ArtForzZy> yep
3360 2011-05-23 20:10:54 <gmaxwell> "diki" does sound a lot like "zippy"…
3361 2011-05-23 20:11:01 <DrewSJ> never thought that would be the problem since the cards have their own power connectors
3362 2011-05-23 20:11:06 <ArtForzZy> hey, zippy makes good PSUs!
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3364 2011-05-23 20:11:21 <gmaxwell> DrewSJ: you can make a hacked up extender that provides external power.
3365 2011-05-23 20:11:29 <diki> My VRM current according to Aida64 is 80 amps under load
3366 2011-05-23 20:11:31 <ArtForzZy> yep, or just buy one or two
3367 2011-05-23 20:11:32 <gmaxwell> DrewSJ: yea, they still use the MB power. "cause they can"
3368 2011-05-23 20:11:45 <mtrlt> diki: yes we got that.
3369 2011-05-23 20:11:56 <diki> do you think that is abnormal?
3370 2011-05-23 20:11:59 <mtrlt> diki: you are talking about 1.08V , we are talking about 12V
3371 2011-05-23 20:12:08 <ArtForzZy> gmaxwell: also, because 2 8-pin and a 6-pin or 3*8pin on a 6990 would look kinda weird
3372 2011-05-23 20:12:22 <ArtForzZy> which is what would be needed without slot power
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3374 2011-05-23 20:12:30 <ArtForzZy> though 8-pins are actually overspecced as hell
3375 2011-05-23 20:12:40 <gmaxwell> "It's the RINSE CYCLE!!  They've ALL IGNORED the RINSE CYCLE!!"
3376 2011-05-23 20:12:47 <ArtForzZy> you can pull up to 450W or so on a 8-pin without exceeding wire or pin ratings
3377 2011-05-23 20:13:01 <mtrlt> a single 8-pin?
3378 2011-05-23 20:13:03 <DrewSJ> so
3379 2011-05-23 20:13:05 <ArtForzZy> yep
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3383 2011-05-23 20:13:08 <DrewSJ> this is the board I'm using:
3384 2011-05-23 20:13:09 <DrewSJ> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131604&cm_re=Asus_P7P55-_-13-131-604-_-Product
3385 2011-05-23 20:13:10 <mtrlt> lol
3386 2011-05-23 20:13:17 <DrewSJ> thats half the power it would need?
3387 2011-05-23 20:13:18 <ArtForzZy> 8-pin has 3 12V/GND pairs
3388 2011-05-23 20:13:35 <ArtForzZy> connector pins/receptables are rated for 13A per pin
3389 2011-05-23 20:13:39 <ArtForzZy> = 39A
3390 2011-05-23 20:13:40 <DrewSJ> wait
3391 2011-05-23 20:13:44 <DrewSJ> that shit is not the board I'm using
3392 2011-05-23 20:13:45 <DrewSJ> my bad
3393 2011-05-23 20:14:09 <ArtForzZy> and even 18AWG in a tight bundle can handle 13A all day long
3394 2011-05-23 20:14:10 <jrmithdobbs> still probably the anser
3395 2011-05-23 20:14:12 <jrmithdobbs> answer
3396 2011-05-23 20:14:17 <DrewSJ> http://www.malabs.com/product.asp?item_no=MB-P7P55WS&show=b&pass=memdeal&class=navactive2
3397 2011-05-23 20:14:22 <DrewSJ> that's the board
3398 2011-05-23 20:14:27 <DrewSJ> it has an 8 pin connector
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3400 2011-05-23 20:14:43 <DrewSJ> In the picture, it looks like 4
3401 2011-05-23 20:14:45 <DrewSJ> but its 8
3402 2011-05-23 20:14:47 <DrewSJ> it has a plug
3403 2011-05-23 20:14:49 <ArtForzZy> argh
3404 2011-05-23 20:15:01 <ArtForzZy> I hate the "spot the black connector on the black board" game
3405 2011-05-23 20:15:20 <DrewSJ> indeed
3406 2011-05-23 20:15:37 <mtrlt> why are they color-coded like that anyway o_O
3407 2011-05-23 20:15:39 <DrewSJ> well you can see half od it
3408 2011-05-23 20:15:48 <DrewSJ> because half of it is not plugged
3409 2011-05-23 20:15:49 <DrewSJ> so its white
3410 2011-05-23 20:16:00 <ArtForzZy> nope, thats probably CPU only
3411 2011-05-23 20:16:19 <ArtForzZy> easy enough to check with a continuity tester
3412 2011-05-23 20:16:20 <DrewSJ> 8 pin connector for CPU only??
3413 2011-05-23 20:16:24 <ArtForzZy> yea
3414 2011-05-23 20:16:29 <DrewSJ> what the du ma
3415 2011-05-23 20:16:36 <ArtForzZy> at least ona ll other boards I've cehcked so far that was the case
3416 2011-05-23 20:16:46 <DrewSJ> oh yeah
3417 2011-05-23 20:16:51 <mtrlt> yep, new standard or something
3418 2011-05-23 20:16:53 <DrewSJ> never though of it before
3419 2011-05-23 20:16:56 <ArtForzZy> 4/8pin ATX12V/EPS12V is CPU only
3420 2011-05-23 20:16:58 <DrewSJ> since the big cable is the mobo cable
3421 2011-05-23 20:17:01 <DrewSJ> yeah
3422 2011-05-23 20:17:05 <DrewSJ> stupid me
3423 2011-05-23 20:17:10 <DrewSJ> alright then
3424 2011-05-23 20:17:17 <ArtForzZy> I just wondered why mobo mfgs lost the additional connectors
3425 2011-05-23 20:17:38 <ArtForzZy> even my stone-age A8N-E had a additional 5.25" molex for PCIe +12V power
3426 2011-05-23 20:18:13 <gjs278> how did you even power your machine without connecting that 8 pin
3427 2011-05-23 20:18:22 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZy: solution: just don't plug anything in that'll draw power off the board except pcie cards and cpu ;P
3428 2011-05-23 20:18:48 <Ramen> ram?
3429 2011-05-23 20:18:49 <ArtForzZy> jrmithdobbs: and the PCIe cards alone will happily melt the 12V pins on the 24pin...
3430 2011-05-23 20:19:09 <ArtForzZy> especially with 4*5970 or 4*6990
3431 2011-05-23 20:19:31 <jrmithdobbs> i've not tried quite that dense
3432 2011-05-23 20:19:33 <ArtForzZy> > 24A over 2 pins rated for 6A each = whats that funny smell
3433 2011-05-23 20:19:47 <DrewSJ> well I can see that with 4*6990
3434 2011-05-23 20:19:50 <jrmithdobbs> ya that could be a problem ;P
3435 2011-05-23 20:19:54 <DrewSJ> but do you really think it would happen with 3?
3436 2011-05-23 20:19:58 <ArtForzZy> yes
3437 2011-05-23 20:19:58 <DrewSJ> I just want 3 :)
3438 2011-05-23 20:20:00 <DrewSJ> dman it
3439 2011-05-23 20:20:13 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZy, 4*6990 is what 2kW?
3440 2011-05-23 20:20:17 <ArtForzZy> didnt soemone melt the 24pin with 3*5970?
3441 2011-05-23 20:20:24 <gjs278> that is most definitely not 2kw
3442 2011-05-23 20:20:29 <gjs278> it cant be
3443 2011-05-23 20:20:33 <gjs278> no one has that powerlevel
3444 2011-05-23 20:20:41 <ArtForzZy> 4*6990 is about 1.5-1.8kW
3445 2011-05-23 20:20:42 <DrewSJ> 2*PSUs
3446 2011-05-23 20:20:45 <ArtForzZy> yep
3447 2011-05-23 20:20:49 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZy, lol
3448 2011-05-23 20:20:51 <phantomcircuit> insanity
3449 2011-05-23 20:20:53 <ArtForzZy> 2*1kW is pretty much required
3450 2011-05-23 20:21:11 <ArtForzZy> 4 overvolted 5970s arent much less ;)
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3452 2011-05-23 20:21:58 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForzZy: you know of any boards that have 4/8pin connectors not dedicated to the cpu?
3453 2011-05-23 20:22:28 <ArtForzZy> no, but I know boards that have a PCIe 6pin for the PCIe slots
3454 2011-05-23 20:23:31 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZy, the reference 5870's have the fan in the middle right?
3455 2011-05-23 20:23:34 <jrmithdobbs> any mini-atx ones?
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3457 2011-05-23 20:23:55 <DrewSJ> lol
3458 2011-05-23 20:23:56 <ArtForzZy> phantomcircuit: nope
3459 2011-05-23 20:23:57 <DrewSJ> mini atx
3460 2011-05-23 20:24:00 <DrewSJ> so cute
3461 2011-05-23 20:24:12 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZy, at the end?
3462 2011-05-23 20:24:21 <jrmithdobbs> DrewSJ: leaves room for mounting cards in inappropriate ways.
3463 2011-05-23 20:24:23 <ArtForzZy> ref 5870s have the blower toward the ass-end, basically looks like shortened 5970s
3464 2011-05-23 20:24:26 <jrmithdobbs> DrewSJ: ;P
3465 2011-05-23 20:24:31 <gjs278> back end cooler is great
3466 2011-05-23 20:24:42 <phantomcircuit> so like a HD587AZNF9 is a reference board?
3467 2011-05-23 20:25:03 <ArtForzZy> kinda hard to tell with XFX
3468 2011-05-23 20:25:13 <ArtForzZy> they *love* making nonref boards that look like ref at first glance
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3470 2011-05-23 20:25:17 <gjs278> every brand has fake reference cards
3471 2011-05-23 20:25:23 <gjs278> like the asus one looks reference
3472 2011-05-23 20:25:25 <gjs278> isnt
3473 2011-05-23 20:25:37 <ArtForzZy> havent seen a fake-ref sapphire yet
3474 2011-05-23 20:26:02 <ArtForzZy> at least not for 58xx/59xx
3475 2011-05-23 20:26:07 <gjs278> dreadlocks
3476 2011-05-23 20:26:49 <ArtForzZy> who cares about ugly stickers when it's on a ref 5970 w/ $499 MSRP? ;)
3477 2011-05-23 20:27:58 <jrmithdobbs> ya i don't get the whining about that
3478 2011-05-23 20:28:10 <jrmithdobbs> OMG THERE IS STICKERS ON A CARD THAT I WILL NEVER SEE THAT IS MAKING ME MONEY
3479 2011-05-23 20:28:13 <jrmithdobbs> CANNOT BUY IT
3480 2011-05-23 20:28:22 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZy, lol
3481 2011-05-23 20:28:25 <karnac> where is this 499 deal
3482 2011-05-23 20:28:30 <gjs278> get a time machine
3483 2011-05-23 20:28:34 <gjs278> and then it will be there for you
3484 2011-05-23 20:28:37 <ArtForzZy> yep
3485 2011-05-23 20:28:41 * Kiba is hungry
3486 2011-05-23 20:28:47 <jrmithdobbs> ya there's no new 5970s left
3487 2011-05-23 20:28:48 <phantomcircuit> yeah 5970 is like $600 on ebay
3488 2011-05-23 20:28:50 <jrmithdobbs> afaik
3489 2011-05-23 20:28:50 <ArtForzZy> late nov early dec 2010
3490 2011-05-23 20:28:55 <gjs278> mine was 400
3491 2011-05-23 20:28:56 <gjs278> used
3492 2011-05-23 20:29:12 <jrmithdobbs> until end of mar they were all 250-400 used, haha
3493 2011-05-23 20:29:16 <jrmithdobbs> then the people selling them caught on
3494 2011-05-23 20:29:19 <ArtForzZy> back then you could get shittons of 5970 for $499 new
3495 2011-05-23 20:29:24 <karnac> i found some 5870's on pricewatch for 253, ordered 2
3496 2011-05-23 20:29:38 <ArtForzZy> I picked up most of my 5970s back then for 480 new
3497 2011-05-23 20:29:38 <gjs278> 5870s were $190 at one point
3498 2011-05-23 20:29:40 <gjs278> on newegg
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3500 2011-05-23 20:29:48 <karnac> not any more
3501 2011-05-23 20:29:58 <gjs278> well they dont even sell them or 5850s anymore
3502 2011-05-23 20:30:04 <karnac> i also found another 5870 at microcenter for 250 with 50 mail in rebate, snatched that up
3503 2011-05-23 20:30:05 <ArtForzZy> aka "yay for mfg dumping remining stock"
3504 2011-05-23 20:30:08 <gjs278> only thing left is the overpriced visionteks
3505 2011-05-23 20:30:09 <ArtForzZy> +a
3506 2011-05-23 20:30:39 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: and those are only left because they set a max of 1 per order
3507 2011-05-23 20:30:39 <jrmithdobbs> lol
3508 2011-05-23 20:31:04 <gjs278> the 5850 I bought 17 days ago finally paid for itself at this excahnge rate
3509 2011-05-23 20:31:10 <gjs278> I didn't oc it
3510 2011-05-23 20:31:17 <gjs278> not that it would have made it happen any sooner
3511 2011-05-23 20:31:24 <phantomcircuit> 7.10 MH/s
3512 2011-05-23 20:31:26 <phantomcircuit> lol im so lucky
3513 2011-05-23 20:31:29 <phantomcircuit> fuck yeah luck
3514 2011-05-23 20:32:00 <phantomcircuit> ps luke-jr eligius was down like all day
3515 2011-05-23 20:32:39 <karnac> btcguild is where its at
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3518 2011-05-23 20:35:23 <DrewSJ> I have 3 slightly uses 5850's for sale if anyone wants them. They've only been in a single machine for a bout a day
3519 2011-05-23 20:35:30 <DrewSJ> willing to sell for BTC or USD
3520 2011-05-23 20:35:43 <DrewSJ> used**
3521 2011-05-23 20:35:54 <cosurgi> so why do you want to sell them ?
3522 2011-05-23 20:36:21 <DrewSJ> They actually belong to my boss. He would rather use 6990s
3523 2011-05-23 20:36:31 <DrewSJ> we have two more 6990s on the way
3524 2011-05-23 20:36:42 <erbs> satoshi@ati.amd.com ?
3525 2011-05-23 20:36:44 <DrewSJ> the 5850s are sitting in static bags not doing anything right now
3526 2011-05-23 20:37:31 <mtrlt> aww, all abandoned in a sack :(
3527 2011-05-23 20:37:33 <cosurgi> I have one 5830 like that
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3529 2011-05-23 20:38:00 <cosurgi> I'm too lazy to get another PC for it and it will get too hot
3530 2011-05-23 20:38:24 <cosurgi> so it just lies on a shelf
3531 2011-05-23 20:38:46 <lfm> sell em
3532 2011-05-23 20:39:16 <cosurgi> 5830? who would want to buy that..
3533 2011-05-23 20:39:31 <lfm> $10
3534 2011-05-23 20:39:55 <cosurgi> nah. too much hassle to even go to post office
3535 2011-05-23 20:40:13 <cosurgi> eventually I might end up with some unused PC
3536 2011-05-23 20:40:21 <cosurgi> or some unsued slot
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3542 2011-05-23 20:47:02 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: uh, no
3543 2011-05-23 20:47:16 <luke-jr> http://eligius.st/~artefact2/
3544 2011-05-23 20:47:33 <luke-jr> http://eligius.st/~artefact2/cache/__hashrate
3545 2011-05-23 20:47:59 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, it was 100% down about 8 hours ago
3546 2011-05-23 20:47:59 <journeyofrivers> hey all   I have an ID-10T error I need help with
3547 2011-05-23 20:48:28 <ArtForzZy> journeyofrivers: reverse the deflector shield polarity
3548 2011-05-23 20:48:47 <journeyofrivers> I can't get sendfrom to work under jsonRPCClient
3549 2011-05-23 20:48:49 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: yeah, before I woke up :P
3550 2011-05-23 20:48:56 <luke-jr> ie, before day, not all day
3551 2011-05-23 20:49:05 <luke-jr> and not even 100%
3552 2011-05-23 20:49:07 <luke-jr> only 50%
3553 2011-05-23 20:49:23 <phantomcircuit> you have 2 servers?
3554 2011-05-23 20:49:27 <luke-jr> US and Europe
3555 2011-05-23 20:49:29 <phantomcircuit> also what was wrong :P
3556 2011-05-23 20:49:34 <luke-jr> bitcoind died.
3557 2011-05-23 20:49:44 <phantomcircuit> ah
3558 2011-05-23 20:49:52 <phantomcircuit> you need a script to restart it hehe
3559 2011-05-23 20:50:03 <diki> what is blkmond for ?
3560 2011-05-23 20:50:04 <luke-jr> I need to redo the US server entirely
3561 2011-05-23 20:50:15 <journeyofrivers> can anyone assist me?
3562 2011-05-23 20:50:20 <gjs278> did the process die, or did it not accept connections anymore
3563 2011-05-23 20:50:30 <luke-jr> gjs278: died, this time
3564 2011-05-23 20:50:39 <gjs278> install monit
3565 2011-05-23 20:50:39 <diki> R.I.P
3566 2011-05-23 20:50:41 <luke-jr> usually it's pushpoold that just stops responding
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3568 2011-05-23 20:50:48 <luke-jr> bitcoind tends to be fine
3569 2011-05-23 20:51:21 <pwrcycle> luke-jr: do you have a writeup or link to the changes to compile your daemon?
3570 2011-05-23 20:51:26 <pwrcycle> any suggested reading?
3571 2011-05-23 20:51:38 <luke-jr> pwrcycle: what daemon?
3572 2011-05-23 20:51:47 <gjs278> http://www.garyshood.com/bitcoin/monitrc you can use this config to restart it checks for the port and the actual pid
3573 2011-05-23 20:52:14 <luke-jr> gjs278: if it died more than once, I might
3574 2011-05-23 20:52:18 <gjs278> yeah
3575 2011-05-23 20:52:33 <pwrcycle> your pool's daemon, the one connecting to the bitcoing p2p network
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3577 2011-05-23 20:52:59 <luke-jr> pwrcycle: the actual node connecting to the p2p network is my standard 'combo' branch
3578 2011-05-23 20:53:05 <pwrcycle> are you running bitcoind in some modified form?
3579 2011-05-23 20:53:16 <luke-jr> but that node is not really involved in the pool at all
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3581 2011-05-23 20:53:48 <pwrcycle> how do you get the current block for the pool, and how does that get made into smaller blocks for the pool miners?
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3583 2011-05-23 20:54:04 <luke-jr> pwrcycle: while I have published the changes for bitcoind on my pool, I have no incentive to assist or make it easy to use
3584 2011-05-23 20:54:29 <luke-jr> now you're asking standard pool how-does-it-work as documented on the wiki
3585 2011-05-23 20:54:41 <jrmithdobbs> pwrcycle: diki in hiding?
3586 2011-05-23 20:54:52 <erbs> eligius is a cool pool
3587 2011-05-23 20:54:54 <diki> i am here
3588 2011-05-23 20:55:00 <diki> but it seems i am not alone
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3590 2011-05-23 20:55:00 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: -.-
3591 2011-05-23 20:55:10 <diki> power to the people
3592 2011-05-23 20:55:20 <Carandiru> hey I have a few questions about bitcoin and listening to transactions
3593 2011-05-23 20:55:30 <diki> pwrcycle you are not alone
3594 2011-05-23 20:55:44 <diki> i've been asking this question for few days now
3595 2011-05-23 20:56:22 <erbs> luke-jr denied the pool was down then admitted it
3596 2011-05-23 20:56:24 <jrmithdobbs> seriously, if you can't figure this stuff out you shouldn't be runninga  pool anyways
3597 2011-05-23 20:56:41 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs++
3598 2011-05-23 20:56:45 <diki> i learn through experience lol
3599 2011-05-23 20:56:53 <diki> did you think luke knew it?
3600 2011-05-23 20:56:57 <diki> He prolly asked more than i do
3601 2011-05-23 20:57:04 <luke-jr> it's called trial and error
3602 2011-05-23 20:57:11 <Carandiru> I've tried looking at he bitcoin source at http://yyz.us/bitcoin/poold.py
3603 2011-05-23 20:57:19 <diki> and for me it's called going the easy wat
3604 2011-05-23 20:57:21 <diki> *way
3605 2011-05-23 20:57:23 Enchilada has left ()
3606 2011-05-23 20:57:30 <diki> taking the shortcut
3607 2011-05-23 20:57:32 <luke-jr> diki: and getting nowhere
3608 2011-05-23 20:57:33 <Carandiru> is that all thats really necessary to find transactions and distribute them among connected peers
3609 2011-05-23 20:57:36 <jgarzik> Carandiru: the bitcoin source is at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
3610 2011-05-23 20:57:47 <luke-jr> Carandiru: that code doesn't do anything with transactions period
3611 2011-05-23 20:57:47 <jgarzik> Carandiru: you are looking at an HTTP proxy
3612 2011-05-23 20:58:19 <Carandiru> ahh
3613 2011-05-23 20:58:30 <Carandiru> You see I don't think a pool needs a server
3614 2011-05-23 20:58:50 <jrmithdobbs> what
3615 2011-05-23 20:58:57 <Carandiru> or a database for that matter
3616 2011-05-23 20:58:57 <jgarzik> Carandiru: you need to read more about bitcoin basics
3617 2011-05-23 20:59:05 <diki> Look, luke, you could've helped me a lot of times you know
3618 2011-05-23 20:59:29 <jrmithdobbs> diki: ask specific questions that aren't easy to find and luke is pretty responsive
3619 2011-05-23 20:59:38 <jrmithdobbs> ask stupid questions over and over and not so much
3620 2011-05-23 20:59:40 <diki> Oh i asked...he doesnt answer at all
3621 2011-05-23 21:00:05 <diki> i really mean at all
3622 2011-05-23 21:00:09 <Carandiru> If I wanted to make a pool, it would be a cloud, where everyone is a server and a client and the cloud has persistent data available to all client/servers with RakNet
3623 2011-05-23 21:00:19 <jrmithdobbs> diki: then how come i know exactly how he does his generate->sendtomany conversion and have figured out how to use it and you don't?
3624 2011-05-23 21:00:23 <jrmithdobbs> just sayin.
3625 2011-05-23 21:00:42 <diki> generate->sendtomany<- and this is??
3626 2011-05-23 21:00:44 <Carandiru> no central database nor central server for collecting and distributing work, everyone grabs work and propogates it thru the cloud
3627 2011-05-23 21:00:50 <jrmithdobbs> diki: point in case
3628 2011-05-23 21:00:54 <jrmithdobbs> diki: case in point
3629 2011-05-23 21:00:56 <jrmithdobbs> w/e
3630 2011-05-23 21:01:06 <diki> you are not making any sense...
3631 2011-05-23 21:01:12 <luke-jr> LOL
3632 2011-05-23 21:01:23 <sipa> Carandiru: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=3461.0
3633 2011-05-23 21:01:24 <erbs> luke-jr = fountain of misdirection / doubletalk
3634 2011-05-23 21:01:31 <erbs> j/k luke-jr you're a cool guy
3635 2011-05-23 21:01:40 <lfm> Carandiru: and this sounds like it would end up looking exactly like bitcoin itself, ie already been done
3636 2011-05-23 21:02:02 <Carandiru> yes but Im talking about the bitcoind server
3637 2011-05-23 21:02:06 <Carandiru> not bitcoin itself
3638 2011-05-23 21:02:13 <Carandiru> for pools specifically
3639 2011-05-23 21:02:14 <sipa> bitcoind == bitcoin itself
3640 2011-05-23 21:02:17 <sipa> but read my link
3641 2011-05-23 21:02:21 <lfm> I mean bitcoin the net
3642 2011-05-23 21:02:41 <Carandiru> kk
3643 2011-05-23 21:03:09 <diki> Actually, i do have a semi-working idea of getting the block number, but by the time i fetch it, by some bad luck, another block could be generated thus i fetch the wrong block number
3644 2011-05-23 21:03:09 <lfm> bitcoin the network IS a pool, pays out lottery style
3645 2011-05-23 21:03:31 <jrmithdobbs> heh
3646 2011-05-23 21:03:31 <diki> I also can't seem to find the block hash as well..
3647 2011-05-23 21:03:42 <jgarzik> erbs: you're the nutter who spammed nanotube personal details all over IRC?
3648 2011-05-23 21:03:53 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: i wonder how hard it'd be to use a simple blockchain to run a distributed pool using bitcoind itself
3649 2011-05-23 21:04:00 <luke-jr> sipa: I like it, but it's not for Eligius :P
3650 2011-05-23 21:04:07 <erbs> which pool is ArtForzZy?
3651 2011-05-23 21:04:09 <erbs> no jgarzik
3652 2011-05-23 21:04:32 <diki> Ah sipa, do you have an idea of fetching the block number on solve time and also fetching the block hash itself?
3653 2011-05-23 21:04:38 <Carandiru> hrmm, no these hashing pools are basically just collecting how much work each miner that subscribes to the pool eg btcguild
3654 2011-05-23 21:04:44 <luke-jr> sipa: although, Eligius might participate in it I suppose
3655 2011-05-23 21:04:46 <Carandiru> *so
3656 2011-05-23 21:04:47 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: eg, "blocks" are the proof of work, your miners connect to your bitcoind which -addnode='s the alt p2p network and it uses bitcoin itself to keep the pool honest
3657 2011-05-23 21:04:47 <jgarzik> erbs: that would be a 'yes', you mean
3658 2011-05-23 21:04:50 <jrmithdobbs> lol
3659 2011-05-23 21:04:51 <meLon> jgarzik, BlueMatt hooked me up with minderd.  Thanks :D
3660 2011-05-23 21:04:57 <sipa> luke-jr: i have no intention for implementing it
3661 2011-05-23 21:05:01 <luke-jr> sipa: aww
3662 2011-05-23 21:05:16 <jgarzik> --- gribble sets ban on *!farnsswort@oldwww4.internection.com
3663 2011-05-23 21:05:16 <jgarzik> <-- gribble has kicked erbs from #bitcoin-pit (come back when sober. :))
3664 2011-05-23 21:05:18 <lfm> jrmithdobbs: thats like asking if the 50 btc rewards could be split and spread out as 1 btc reward much more often. it doesnt work due to too much traffic
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3666 2011-05-23 21:05:39 <sipa> jgarzik: the spammer did have a different hostmask than erbs
3667 2011-05-23 21:05:45 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: no i think you misunderstand
3668 2011-05-23 21:05:46 <tasha3> only on current networks...
3669 2011-05-23 21:05:53 <luke-jr> jgarzik: he did the same to me once
3670 2011-05-23 21:05:59 <luke-jr> jgarzik: because I wouldn't give him $
3671 2011-05-23 21:06:03 <Carandiru> the miners them selves actually get the work, no thru the pool setup by btcguild, then submits how much work the miner has done so the btcguild pool can then add them all up to calculate the amount of shares ?
3672 2011-05-23 21:06:17 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: use an alt p2p network/blockchain for the "pool" and once the "pool" finds a "real" block it gets sent to the actual bitcoin p2p/blockchain
3673 2011-05-23 21:06:28 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: instead of a central proxy server for the pool
3674 2011-05-23 21:06:35 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: read my link
3675 2011-05-23 21:06:41 <Carandiru> I thought it was the other way around, the pool btcguild grabs the work then distributes to to all the miners connected to the pool
3676 2011-05-23 21:06:45 <jgarzik> sipa: he appears almost immediately after erbs was kban'd, complaining about being banned :)
3677 2011-05-23 21:06:52 <lfm> jrmithdobbs: yes, too much trafic on the alt pool
3678 2011-05-23 21:06:53 <Carandiru> but its not like that right ?
3679 2011-05-23 21:06:54 <nanotube> jgarzik: yes he is
3680 2011-05-23 21:07:05 <jgarzik> sipa: you'd need a different hostmask to make such complaints, being kban'd and all :)
3681 2011-05-23 21:07:23 <sipa> jgarzik: ok, i wasn't following
3682 2011-05-23 21:07:27 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: meh, too much traffic isn't an issue for me (or most people that'd be interested in it)
3683 2011-05-23 21:07:35 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: oh, lol, that's basically what they're proposing
3684 2011-05-23 21:07:45 <lfm> jrmithdobbs: ok then go ahead
3685 2011-05-23 21:07:46 <luke-jr> lfm: the p2p system could automatically distribute among different sets of members
3686 2011-05-23 21:07:59 <luke-jr> lfm: each peer could define a max pool size
3687 2011-05-23 21:08:09 <luke-jr> but yeah, that also means slower earnings
3688 2011-05-23 21:08:15 <luke-jr> guess Eligius wins
3689 2011-05-23 21:08:16 <luke-jr> :p
3690 2011-05-23 21:08:22 <lfm> solo wins
3691 2011-05-23 21:08:33 <luke-jr> no
3692 2011-05-23 21:08:35 <luke-jr> solo lacks LP
3693 2011-05-23 21:08:38 <luke-jr> so Eligius wins
3694 2011-05-23 21:09:02 <lfm> whats LP?
3695 2011-05-23 21:09:08 <sipa> long polling
3696 2011-05-23 21:09:09 <mtrlt> long polling
3697 2011-05-23 21:09:09 <jgarzik> long polling
3698 2011-05-23 21:09:12 <gjs278> long polling
3699 2011-05-23 21:09:13 <jgarzik> heh
3700 2011-05-23 21:09:13 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: solo with pushpoold works fine
3701 2011-05-23 21:09:14 <mtrlt> yea say it once more
3702 2011-05-23 21:09:16 <mtrlt> :P
3703 2011-05-23 21:09:20 <sipa> long polling
3704 2011-05-23 21:09:25 <mtrlt> there we go
3705 2011-05-23 21:09:26 <mtrlt> :)
3706 2011-05-23 21:09:28 <jgarzik> long-play records
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3709 2011-05-23 21:10:02 <sipa> jgarzik: had a look at http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=9492.0 ?
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3711 2011-05-23 21:10:48 <erbs> sipa - coolidea.. im not too up on the details, but how do you prevent 1 miner from submitting multiple shares under 2 names (so his "hardest" share is multiplied by 2)
3712 2011-05-23 21:10:54 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: and if you're going solo no need to add the payout tracking/logic and web ui ;P
3713 2011-05-23 21:11:11 <erbs> lets say he finds 3 diff-16's.. could he just submit that under 3 user names
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3715 2011-05-23 21:11:27 <sipa> there is no username
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3717 2011-05-23 21:11:55 <erbs> normally he would just submit 1 diff-16 right.. but could he pretend to be 3 miners, each with their own diff-16
3718 2011-05-23 21:12:03 <TD> sipa: it's a good patch, but i worry about refactorings in the absence of unit test
3719 2011-05-23 21:12:10 <TD> would be easy to break things and not notice
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3721 2011-05-23 21:12:40 <sipa> TD: needs a lot of testing of course
3722 2011-05-23 21:12:40 <Carandiru> so am I correct in saying that mining pools like BTC guild just gather information on each miner connected, for how much each miner has mined themselves, then sums up all miners contributions and distributes the BTC that way OR is it that the pool BTC guild gets the work then distributes it to all the miners connected to the pool
3723 2011-05-23 21:12:45 <erbs> or is the prehash different for each miner, so you cant share it between multiple miners
3724 2011-05-23 21:12:45 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: that's a good idea
3725 2011-05-23 21:13:00 <TD> yeah, it's just hard to do in a reliable way manually.
3726 2011-05-23 21:13:05 <TD> gunit is a pretty nice test framework
3727 2011-05-23 21:13:10 <sipa> TD: and i agree that unit tests are very much needed
3728 2011-05-23 21:13:14 <TD> it might be worth throwing in a few
3729 2011-05-23 21:13:20 <TD> it doesn't even have to be many
3730 2011-05-23 21:13:32 <TD> just establishing that it's a tested codebase will encourage future contributors to pony up :)
3731 2011-05-23 21:13:38 <erbs> if a minder finds a diff-19, diff-18, diff-17  could he pretend to be three diff miners each with their own "hardest" share. so hes getting 3x more than he should
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3734 2011-05-23 21:14:06 <erbs> or create a miner for each share he found
3735 2011-05-23 21:14:25 <erbs> rather than truly submitting only his hardest find
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3737 2011-05-23 21:14:38 <sipa> you don't just submit the hardest
3738 2011-05-23 21:14:41 <sipa> you submit them all
3739 2011-05-23 21:14:49 <sipa> and you're rewarded for each
3740 2011-05-23 21:14:53 <JoeAbunga> how can i generate bitcoins
3741 2011-05-23 21:15:07 <JoeAbunga> Ive been generating for a month and havnt gotten shit
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3743 2011-05-23 21:15:24 <sipa> JoeAbunga: the difficulty is way too high to mine with a normal CPU these days
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3745 2011-05-23 21:15:46 <sipa> it takes years to find a block with one
3746 2011-05-23 21:15:51 <sipa> most mining is done on high-end graphic cards, and specialized software
3747 2011-05-23 21:16:03 <diki> the soft is free
3748 2011-05-23 21:16:15 <sipa> sure, but it's not just the bitcoin client that can do it
3749 2011-05-23 21:16:22 <Carandiru> so am I correct in saying that mining pools like BTC guild just gather information on each miner connected, for how much each miner has mined themselves, then sums up all miners contributions and distributes the BTC that way OR is it that the pool BTC guild gets the work then distributes it to all the miners connected to the pool
3750 2011-05-23 21:16:33 <diki> sipa can you tell me how to get block number on solve time and it's hash?
3751 2011-05-23 21:16:41 <erbs> oh ok sipa i misunderstood.. i thought this was part of the other proposal that had miners reporting just the hardest block they found, to reduce traffic
3752 2011-05-23 21:16:56 <sipa> Carandiru: read https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pooled_mining
3753 2011-05-23 21:17:38 <sipa> diki: i have no idea how pushpoold works
3754 2011-05-23 21:18:10 <erbs> where do you set the minimum difficulty
3755 2011-05-23 21:18:16 <erbs> diff-24?
3756 2011-05-23 21:18:31 <sipa> the minimum difficulty is just 1
3757 2011-05-23 21:18:41 <lfm> diki can you get the 80 byte block header itself?
3758 2011-05-23 21:18:41 <Carandiru> ah thank you
3759 2011-05-23 21:18:47 <erbs> ahh ok.. you could increase the threshold tho to reduce traffic i guess
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3762 2011-05-23 21:20:22 <diki> pushpoold only stores the share that was solved to get the block
3763 2011-05-23 21:20:27 <diki> but not the hash itself
3764 2011-05-23 21:20:54 <Carandiru> so shares contributed to stale blocks are carried over to the next round in eligius pool?
3765 2011-05-23 21:20:57 <lfm> the share? whats in it?
3766 2011-05-23 21:21:07 <luke-jr> Carandiru: yes
3767 2011-05-23 21:21:16 <erbs> p2p pooling is cool
3768 2011-05-23 21:21:19 <luke-jr> lfm: diki doesn't know what he's talking about fyi
3769 2011-05-23 21:21:30 <diki> lfm: http://pastebin.com/SDrs1Er4
3770 2011-05-23 21:21:35 <lfm> diki cuz you can easily recalculate the hash if you have the block header
3771 2011-05-23 21:21:41 <Carandiru> interesting - then all stale shares still count
3772 2011-05-23 21:21:51 <Carandiru> just deferred and reset per round
3773 2011-05-23 21:21:59 <luke-jr> Carandiru: yep
3774 2011-05-23 21:22:57 <Carandiru> so why isn't everyone using your pool lol
3775 2011-05-23 21:22:57 <lfm> diki ya, take the first 80 bytes of that and you can recalc the hash easy, even the command line sha256sum command can do it
3776 2011-05-23 21:23:05 <luke-jr> Carandiru: Deepbit pays for google ads
3777 2011-05-23 21:23:09 <erbs> An independent state probe in West Virginia concludes that mining giant, Massey Energy, was responsible for the April 2010 explosion that killed 29 underground coal mining workers.
3778 2011-05-23 21:23:31 <erbs> criminal prosecution may follow. until then the mine's owner got a few $10 million bonuses
3779 2011-05-23 21:24:28 <erbs> the bigger the damage, the bigger the bonus is apparently the motto of american capitalism
3780 2011-05-23 21:24:50 <Carandiru> well im changing over to your pool - big advantage
3781 2011-05-23 21:24:51 <jgarzik> erbs: take it to #bitcoin
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3784 2011-05-23 21:25:24 <luke-jr> Carandiru: we have a community in #Eligius too
3785 2011-05-23 21:25:56 <dinox> Do bitcoind automatically include unconfirmed transactions in a generated block, if the transactions is self sent?
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3787 2011-05-23 21:27:01 * BlueMatt almost has proper wxwidgets packages (matching the packaging scheme of 2.8 and previous releases) for ubuntu :)
3788 2011-05-23 21:27:14 <jgarzik> dinox: not necessarily
3789 2011-05-23 21:27:47 <erbs> take it to your mom's poontang jgarzik
3790 2011-05-23 21:28:35 <dinox> jgarzik: why?
3791 2011-05-23 21:28:51 <lfm> diki has of that paste is cc650cb12fa010294982136ab2d4c371dfa506994179bf3ca9afdd0000000000
3792 2011-05-23 21:28:56 <lfm> hash
3793 2011-05-23 21:29:03 <BlueMatt> erbs: that is just rude, please keep that out of the chan
3794 2011-05-23 21:29:09 <jgarzik> dinox: the code doesn't make it easy for you to flood the network with what would otherwise be considered a spam transaction
3795 2011-05-23 21:29:41 <diki> it's backwards tho
3796 2011-05-23 21:30:02 <diki> well i couldnt recreate your result tho
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3798 2011-05-23 21:31:57 <lfm> diki why not? I can show you how
3799 2011-05-23 21:32:18 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: bonus points if you can backport wxBitcoin to 2.8 ;)
3800 2011-05-23 21:32:28 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: meh, too much work ;)
3801 2011-05-23 21:32:38 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: lotsa bonus points ;)
3802 2011-05-23 21:32:40 <luke-jr> dinox: I have patches to do that
3803 2011-05-23 21:32:41 <diki> i paste all that in here
3804 2011-05-23 21:32:41 <diki> http://bytesizematters.com/
3805 2011-05-23 21:32:50 <BlueMatt> I know Ive been told before but what, exactly, is the problem with wx2.8 that keeps translations from working right?
3806 2011-05-23 21:32:51 <diki> i shorten it until it reaches 80 bytes
3807 2011-05-23 21:32:58 <diki> and then hash it, but the result is not the same
3808 2011-05-23 21:33:06 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: the problem is nobody has done it
3809 2011-05-23 21:33:09 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: we should document the answer to that question somewhere...
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3811 2011-05-23 21:33:26 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: I agree...care to share (again)
3812 2011-05-23 21:33:33 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I don't know offhand
3813 2011-05-23 21:33:38 <sipa> i'm not sure whether the option of switching to wx2.8 has been explorer enough
3814 2011-05-23 21:33:43 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I thought it had to do with UTF8, but someone disagreed
3815 2011-05-23 21:33:46 <sipa> *explored
3816 2011-05-23 21:33:47 <lfm> ya, take 80 bytes and swap 4 bytes at a time then sha256sum them and sha256 the result
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3818 2011-05-23 21:33:47 <BlueMatt> sipa: I dont think it has
3819 2011-05-23 21:33:54 <luke-jr> the only reason I've heard is "Unicode support", but wxWidgets has had Unicode support for a long time
3820 2011-05-23 21:33:55 <BlueMatt> (I agree)
3821 2011-05-23 21:33:57 <luke-jr> even 2.6
3822 2011-05-23 21:34:01 <jgarzik> yep
3823 2011-05-23 21:34:06 <lfm> ya, take 80 bytes and swap 4 bytes at a time then sha256sum them and sha256um the result
3824 2011-05-23 21:34:07 <BlueMatt> yep
3825 2011-05-23 21:34:32 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: what are you on about
3826 2011-05-23 21:34:33 <BlueMatt> I think its just a rumor that backporting to 2.8 does damage to stuff...I think it just works...anyone ever actually tried?
3827 2011-05-23 21:34:34 <lfm> ya, take 80 bytes and swap 4 bytes at a time then sha256sum them and sha256sum the result then swap the 32 byes to the order you need
3828 2011-05-23 21:35:00 <jgarzik> lfm, diki: this is the canonical example I like to paste: https://github.com/jgarzik/cpuminer/blob/master/sha256_via.c#L43
3829 2011-05-23 21:35:18 <jgarzik> clearly shows (a) byte swapping and (b) where to call sha256 [without midstate and other optimizations]
3830 2011-05-23 21:36:47 <BlueMatt> oh, I think I might have spotted the problem, and its fixable: http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/Converting_everything_to_and_from_wxString#Literals
3831 2011-05-23 21:36:55 <BlueMatt> "A literal is a string written in code with "quotes around it". A literal is not a wxString, and (in wxWidgets 2.8) will not be implicitly converted to one. This means that you can never pass in a raw literal into a wxWidget function or method (unless you don't care about your app not building with Unicode-enabled wxWidgets builds)"
3832 2011-05-23 21:37:21 <BlueMatt> that is probably one of the major problems
3833 2011-05-23 21:37:32 <BlueMatt> and/or is one of the minor problems
3834 2011-05-23 21:37:32 <sipa> there are massive compile errors with wx2.8 though
3835 2011-05-23 21:37:39 <BlueMatt> that is why
3836 2011-05-23 21:37:51 <BlueMatt> (well that is the first compile errors I see)
3837 2011-05-23 21:38:04 <sipa> i get lots of things like /usr/include/wx-2.8/wx/cursor.h:65: error: ‘wxIsBusy’ was not declared in this scope
3838 2011-05-23 21:38:15 <sipa> and /usr/include/wx-2.8/wx/sizer.h:292: error: invalid use of incomplete type ‘struct wxWindow’
3839 2011-05-23 21:39:52 <BlueMatt> ah, nope I had just started with default start (util.cpp) which is mostly stuff about wxString
3840 2011-05-23 21:40:18 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
3841 2011-05-23 21:40:18 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.6108,"vol":36981,"buy":6.96,"sell":6.9998,"last":7.1}}
3842 2011-05-23 21:40:21 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
3843 2011-05-23 21:40:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126126 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 881 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 387288.85281299
3844 2011-05-23 21:40:26 <BlueMatt> well, Ill take a look
3845 2011-05-23 21:42:34 <DoomDumas> anyone know the date when reward for finding a block will be halved to 25 ?
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3847 2011-05-23 21:42:49 <sipa> DoomDumas: at block 210000
3848 2011-05-23 21:42:55 <sipa> we're now at ,,bc,blocks
3849 2011-05-23 21:42:56 <gribble> 126127
3850 2011-05-23 21:42:59 <DoomDumas> thank  sipa
3851 2011-05-23 21:43:03 <diki> damn i'm sweating a lot
3852 2011-05-23 21:43:30 <sipa> DoomDumas: i expect it to be around november/december 2012
3853 2011-05-23 21:43:41 <lfm> diki warm weather or just working hard?
3854 2011-05-23 21:43:47 <diki> both
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3856 2011-05-23 21:44:03 <diki> Currently it's because i'm maxing out my brain thinking power
3857 2011-05-23 21:44:07 <DoomDumas> sipa : what the BTC related related site you created ?
3858 2011-05-23 21:44:16 <lfm> diki I found testnet block 19883 from the block you pasted
3859 2011-05-23 21:44:29 <sipa> DoomDumas: you mean bitcoin.sipa.be ?
3860 2011-05-23 21:44:41 <DoomDumas> bitcoin.sipa.de, yeah, nice, thanks
3861 2011-05-23 21:44:44 <diki> i am just going to copy that sha256_via to pushpool and compile
3862 2011-05-23 21:44:57 <sipa> no, not .de, .be
3863 2011-05-23 21:45:02 <sipa> i'm no german
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3867 2011-05-23 21:45:48 <lfm> diki you have a via c7 cpu?
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3869 2011-05-23 21:47:01 <jgarzik> diki: huh whuh ?
3870 2011-05-23 21:47:06 <jgarzik> pushpool already does
3871 2011-05-23 21:47:08 <jgarzik>         for (i = 0; i < 128/4; i++)
3872 2011-05-23 21:47:09 <jgarzik>                 data32[i] = bswap_32(data32[i]);
3873 2011-05-23 21:47:09 <jgarzik>         SHA256(data, 80, hash1);
3874 2011-05-23 21:47:09 <jgarzik>         SHA256(hash1, SHA256_DIGEST_LENGTH, hash);
3875 2011-05-23 21:47:27 <jgarzik> in check_hash()
3876 2011-05-23 21:48:07 <lfm> ya he want that hash output so he can show a like to block explorer
3877 2011-05-23 21:48:18 <diki> where do you propose i put my block_save function? after applog(LOG_INFO, "PROOF-OF-WORK found"); or..?
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3879 2011-05-23 21:48:47 <jrmithdobbs> diki: what you're wanting to do shouldn't require any pushpool changes?!
3880 2011-05-23 21:48:55 <DoomDumas> sipa : eh, you manage to have a BTC adress that ends with sipa or you get your nick from an adress ?
3881 2011-05-23 21:49:11 <jrmithdobbs> DoomDumas: there's a patch that'll keep hashing until it finds one
3882 2011-05-23 21:49:19 <jrmithdobbs> with a given string
3883 2011-05-23 21:49:21 <diki> i basically am making a blocks table where all the pool solved blocks will be stored
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3885 2011-05-23 21:49:26 <BlueMatt> anyone seen this: http://bitcoin-doc.allmediasoft.com/
3886 2011-05-23 21:49:26 <DoomDumas> fine :D   quite funny !
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3888 2011-05-23 21:50:27 <bd_> DoomDumas: It's certainly possible to brute force the address to fix the last four digits; one in about 16 million addresses should end in sipa
3889 2011-05-23 21:50:51 <sipa> DoomDumas: search for something called vanity patch
3890 2011-05-23 21:51:11 <diki> jgarzik i am still bothered by this part
3891 2011-05-23 21:51:12 <diki> 	if (*json_result)
3892 2011-05-23 21:51:12 <diki> 		applog(LOG_INFO, "PROOF-OF-WORK found");
3893 2011-05-23 21:51:36 <sipa> bd_: one in 58^4 L(
3894 2011-05-23 21:51:41 <sipa> ;;calc 58^4
3895 2011-05-23 21:51:41 <gribble> 58^4 = 11,316,496
3896 2011-05-23 21:51:54 <jgarzik> diki: what is the problem?  looks correct to me.
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3898 2011-05-23 21:52:02 <diki> correction, this part
3899 2011-05-23 21:52:03 <diki> 	if (srv.easy_target)
3900 2011-05-23 21:52:03 <diki> 		*json_result = true;
3901 2011-05-23 21:52:13 <diki> Now, if the server uses diff 1
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3903 2011-05-23 21:52:22 <diki> Then json_result is always true
3904 2011-05-23 21:52:58 <jgarzik> diki: json_result is never assigned a value, anywhere else but that one line?
3905 2011-05-23 21:53:03 <bd_> sipa: Hm, it's not base64?
3906 2011-05-23 21:53:15 <jgarzik> diki: nowhere else in that function is there a json_result=false ?
3907 2011-05-23 21:53:26 <sipa> bd_: no, base58
3908 2011-05-23 21:53:36 <bd_> Okay, well, still same order of magnitude :)
3909 2011-05-23 21:53:45 <diki> only if it's an invalid hash
3910 2011-05-23 21:53:50 <diki> but otherwise it's always true
3911 2011-05-23 21:54:15 <DrewinSJ> dayamn
3912 2011-05-23 21:54:16 <jgarzik> diki: yep
3913 2011-05-23 21:54:25 <diki> But is does that part of code actually affect the code above it?
3914 2011-05-23 21:54:48 <diki> before it's even executed?
3915 2011-05-23 21:55:22 * luke-jr facepalms
3916 2011-05-23 21:55:26 <vegard> are there any bounties for finding (serious) bugs in bitcoin[d]?
3917 2011-05-23 21:55:31 <jgarzik> diki: I think you're completely confused about how C code works :)
3918 2011-05-23 21:55:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I don't know how you put up with diki :p
3919 2011-05-23 21:55:50 <jrmithdobbs> vegard: like it matters, everyone filched on the bounties once prices skyrocketed
3920 2011-05-23 21:55:53 <eianpsego> Is there a page that concisely defines the intra-node protocol?  I see in the code/debugging log that "inv" is a type of message - what are the others and what do they do?
3921 2011-05-23 21:56:05 <DrewinSJ> can anyone help me setup a 6990 in linux?
3922 2011-05-23 21:56:08 <jgarzik> luke-jr: hey you were an annoying noob once too ;)
3923 2011-05-23 21:56:16 <luke-jr> jgarzik: was I? :p
3924 2011-05-23 21:56:27 <vegard> jrmithdobbs: you mean they didn't pay up?
3925 2011-05-23 21:56:39 <luke-jr> I mean, annoying from your perspective, sure
3926 2011-05-23 21:56:39 <jrmithdobbs> vegard: correct
3927 2011-05-23 21:56:44 <luke-jr> but noob? :P
3928 2011-05-23 21:56:52 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I seem to recall saying "luke-jr is not a troll" in public at least once
3929 2011-05-23 21:56:53 <jgarzik> ;)
3930 2011-05-23 21:57:01 <vegard> ok, well, maybe offer new ones that are a bit lower? :-P
3931 2011-05-23 21:57:56 <diki> if pool server mode, return success even if result==false */ i don't see anywhere return json_result
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3933 2011-05-23 21:58:02 <diki> only return r
3934 2011-05-23 21:58:04 <diki> *rc
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3938 2011-05-23 21:59:33 <eianpsego> Nevermind, I found what I needed here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification
3939 2011-05-23 21:59:42 <diki> I am going to remove that piece if and see what happens
3940 2011-05-23 21:59:58 <sipa> diki: maybe you should start learning C/C++ with simpler projects first
3941 2011-05-23 22:00:25 <diki> luke said "Trial and error"
3942 2011-05-23 22:00:29 <diki> i am doing just that
3943 2011-05-23 22:00:47 <diki> and plus, i never read once anything about php yet i've picked up a lot of things
3944 2011-05-23 22:00:51 <sipa> he's right - best way to learn is to try
3945 2011-05-23 22:00:56 <diki> i jumped right away to the hard brojects
3946 2011-05-23 22:01:40 * luke-jr shivers at the idea of working with diki's PHP code
3947 2011-05-23 22:02:35 sethsethseth_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
3948 2011-05-23 22:03:08 <diki> it's very clean
3949 2011-05-23 22:03:09 meLon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3950 2011-05-23 22:03:18 <diki> and thanks to MyBB i've improved my coding style
3951 2011-05-23 22:03:31 mtrlt has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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3953 2011-05-23 22:04:42 <diki> i remember it as if it was yesterday...2006 the year when the hype were torrent trackers
3954 2011-05-23 22:05:01 <diki> i jumped right in with no knowledge at all
3955 2011-05-23 22:05:14 spitteler has joined
3956 2011-05-23 22:05:40 <diki> now i look back and see how many errors people had in their codes
3957 2011-05-23 22:05:44 <diki> and the many holes...
3958 2011-05-23 22:07:21 <diki> Anyway, so far no change when i removed that if
3959 2011-05-23 22:08:29 <vegard> jrmithdobbs: if there IS a serious bug, the bounty better be greater than the potential to exploit it :-P
3960 2011-05-23 22:08:55 <jrmithdobbs> vegard: there is no bounty
3961 2011-05-23 22:08:59 <jrmithdobbs> so it's not
3962 2011-05-23 22:09:08 <jrmithdobbs> vegard: toss it to f-d and have fun imho
3963 2011-05-23 22:09:14 bitcoiner has joined
3964 2011-05-23 22:09:53 <vegard> f-d?
3965 2011-05-23 22:10:29 bradmills has joined
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3969 2011-05-23 22:13:55 <gjs278> diki paste some code you've done
3970 2011-05-23 22:14:04 <gjs278> I want to see how much of a shiver luke-jr would expereince
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3972 2011-05-23 22:14:49 <bradmills> is anyone working on a gui miner for average internet user?
3973 2011-05-23 22:14:55 <gjs278> poclbm-gui
3974 2011-05-23 22:15:28 <Carandiru> #include "stdafx.h"
3975 2011-05-23 22:15:28 <Carandiru> #include "eL.h"
3976 2011-05-23 22:15:28 <Carandiru> #include "XMM128.h"
3977 2011-05-23 22:15:29 <MrHako> Anyone knows what rejected in miners are caused by?
3978 2011-05-23 22:15:29 <Carandiru> #include "cVisibilityBase.h"
3979 2011-05-23 22:15:30 <Carandiru> #include "cEffectsBase.h"
3980 2011-05-23 22:15:31 <Carandiru> #include "cD3DBase.h"
3981 2011-05-23 22:15:32 <Carandiru> #include "..\cInstanceDynamic.h"
3982 2011-05-23 22:15:33 <Carandiru> #include "..\cInstanceStatic.h"
3983 2011-05-23 22:15:34 <Carandiru> #include "..\cInstanceSkinned.h"
3984 2011-05-23 22:15:35 <Carandiru> #include "..\cModelDynamic.h"
3985 2011-05-23 22:15:36 <Carandiru> #include "..\cModelStatic.h"
3986 2011-05-23 22:15:37 <Carandiru> #include "..\cModelSkinned.h"
3987 2011-05-23 22:15:38 <Carandiru> #ifdef _DEBUG
3988 2011-05-23 22:15:39 <Carandiru> #include <projectSilicon\projectSilicon\cDebugONLY.h>
3989 2011-05-23 22:15:40 <Carandiru> #endif
3990 2011-05-23 22:15:41 <Carandiru> unsigned int cVisibilityBase::m_uiNumInstancesMaxAll(0);
3991 2011-05-23 22:15:42 <Carandiru> D3DX_ALIGN16 bm::bvector<> cVisibilityBase::m_bitVisible;
3992 2011-05-23 22:15:43 <Carandiru> void cVisibilityBase::HeapCreate()
3993 2011-05-23 22:15:44 <Carandiru> {
3994 2011-05-23 22:15:45 <Carandiru> 	m_fFrustumRadius = 0.0f;
3995 2011-05-23 22:15:45 <diki> zomg
3996 2011-05-23 22:15:46 <Carandiru> 	m_fViewLength = 0.0f;
3997 2011-05-23 22:15:48 <Carandiru> 	// CleanUp Memory
3998 2011-05-23 22:15:49 <ArtForzZy> spam, spam, lovely spam!
3999 2011-05-23 22:15:49 <Carandiru> 	XMMATRIX xmIdentity = XMMatrixIdentity();
4000 2011-05-23 22:15:50 <Carandiru> 	XMFLOAT4X4A matIdentity;
4001 2011-05-23 22:15:51 <Carandiru> 	XMStoreFloat4x4A(&matIdentity, xmIdentity);
4002 2011-05-23 22:15:52 <Carandiru> 	m_matView = matIdentity;
4003 2011-05-23 22:15:53 <Carandiru> 	m_matProj = matIdentity;
4004 2011-05-23 22:15:54 <Carandiru> 	m_matViewProj = matIdentity;
4005 2011-05-23 22:15:55 <Carandiru> 	m_matInvViewProj = matIdentity;
4006 2011-05-23 22:15:56 <Carandiru> 	m_matProjOrtho = matIdentity;
4007 2011-05-23 22:15:57 <Carandiru> 	m_matProjOrthoRTx64 = matIdentity;
4008 2011-05-23 22:15:58 <Carandiru> 	m_matProjOrthoRTx128 = matIdentity;
4009 2011-05-23 22:15:59 <Carandiru> 	m_matProjOrthoRTx256 = matIdentity;
4010 2011-05-23 22:16:00 <Carandiru> 	m_matProjOrthoRTx512 = matIdentity;
4011 2011-05-23 22:16:01 <Carandiru> 	m_matProjOrthoRTx1024 = matIdentity;
4012 2011-05-23 22:16:02 <Carandiru>     ZeroMemory( &m_Planes, sizeof(m_Planes) );
4013 2011-05-23 22:16:03 <Carandiru> 	m_pcCamera = new D3DX_ALIGN16 cCamera;
4014 2011-05-23 22:16:04 <Carandiru> }
4015 2011-05-23 22:16:05 <Carandiru> void cVisibilityBase::ConfigureCameraParameters( XMFLOAT3A const& vLookAtPt, float const& fAngleDegrees, float const& fFixedHeight,
4016 2011-05-23 22:16:05 <broker> 3000 lines later ...
4017 2011-05-23 22:16:06 <Carandiru> 												 float const& fScrollSpeed, float const& fSmoothSteps, bool const& bContrictToWorldExtents )
4018 2011-05-23 22:16:07 <BlueMatt> wtf?
4019 2011-05-23 22:16:07 <Carandiru> {
4020 2011-05-23 22:16:08 <Carandiru> 	m_pcCamera->ConfigureCameraParameters( vLookAtPt, fAngleDegrees, fFixedHeight,
4021 2011-05-23 22:16:09 * diki is like rofl
4022 2011-05-23 22:16:09 <Carandiru> 										   fScrollSpeed, fSmoothSteps, bContrictToWorldExtents );
4023 2011-05-23 22:16:10 <Carandiru> }
4024 2011-05-23 22:16:11 <Carandiru> unsigned char const cVisibilityBase::CheckNodeCorners( LPNODEeXCorner const* const pCorner ) const
4025 2011-05-23 22:16:13 <Carandiru> {
4026 2011-05-23 22:16:13 <Carandiru> 	D3DX_ALIGN16 unsigned int uiMask(0),
4027 2011-05-23 22:16:14 <Carandiru> 							  uiTotalIn(0),
4028 2011-05-23 22:16:15 <Carandiru> 							  uiInCount(0),
4029 2011-05-23 22:16:17 <Carandiru> 							  uiCornerInAllPlanes(0);
4030 2011-05-23 22:16:18 <Carandiru> 	// test all 8 corners against the 6 sides
4031 2011-05-23 22:16:19 <BlueMatt> god quit your client
4032 2011-05-23 22:16:19 <Carandiru> 	// if all points are behind 1 specific plane, we are out
4033 2011-05-23 22:16:20 <Carandiru> 	// if we are in with all points, then we are fully in
4034 2011-05-23 22:16:22 <Carandiru> 	for(unsigned int iDxPlane = 0; iDxPlane < 6; ++iDxPlane)
4035 2011-05-23 22:16:22 <BlueMatt> just close it
4036 2011-05-23 22:16:23 <Carandiru> 	{
4037 2011-05-23 22:16:24 <Carandiru> 		uiInCount = OCTREE;
4038 2011-05-23 22:16:25 <Carandiru> 		uiCornerInAllPlanes = 1;
4039 2011-05-23 22:16:25 <Carandiru> 		for(unsigned int iDxCorner = 0; iDxCorner < OCTREE; ++iDxCorner)
4040 2011-05-23 22:16:26 * luke-jr smacks gjs278
4041 2011-05-23 22:16:27 <Carandiru> 		{
4042 2011-05-23 22:16:28 <Carandiru> 			switch ( iDxPlane )
4043 2011-05-23 22:16:29 <Carandiru> 			{
4044 2011-05-23 22:16:30 <Carandiru> 			case 0:
4045 2011-05-23 22:16:30 <diki> this could take a while
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4047 2011-05-23 22:16:35 <ArtForzZy> phew
4048 2011-05-23 22:16:35 <BlueMatt> thank you
4049 2011-05-23 22:16:45 * BlueMatt was about to kick him
4050 2011-05-23 22:16:47 <diki> it's like i was seeing a fax in slow motion
4051 2011-05-23 22:17:03 <bradmills> hahah
4052 2011-05-23 22:17:17 <BlueMatt> no that was a fax in real time
4053 2011-05-23 22:17:43 <broker> this cpp file was definetly too long :D
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4056 2011-05-23 22:18:35 <Carandiru> sorry that was dumb of me
4057 2011-05-23 22:18:40 <BlueMatt> what was that?
4058 2011-05-23 22:19:29 <Carandiru> source code from one file for visibility determination for a game I've been working on
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4060 2011-05-23 22:19:47 * diki bets that is actually piece of code concerning MS kinect
4061 2011-05-23 22:20:26 <JFK911> complex code
4062 2011-05-23 22:20:41 <JFK911> looks like it does a lot
4063 2011-05-23 22:20:47 <JFK911> of setting memory to zero and such
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4065 2011-05-23 22:20:54 <JFK911> good work
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4067 2011-05-23 22:22:19 <DoomDumas>  is it now possible to mine with 2x 5970 card on a AMD mainboard in windows ?
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4069 2011-05-23 22:23:33 <tasha4> why wouldn't it be possible?
4070 2011-05-23 22:26:01 <jgarzik> DoomDumas: should be
4071 2011-05-23 22:26:13 <jgarzik> DoomDumas: make sure the PSU is capable
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4073 2011-05-23 22:29:32 <neoeinstein_> And you may need a VGA terminator to enable the second card if you don't have a second monitor to hook up to the second card.
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4077 2011-05-23 22:32:09 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, you wouldn't happen to know if nMaxNumSize in script.cpp is permanent would you
4078 2011-05-23 22:32:11 <phantomcircuit> ?
4079 2011-05-23 22:32:23 <EPiSKiNG> DoomDumas: I think you need 11.3 drivers
4080 2011-05-23 22:32:25 <EPiSKiNG> not 11.5
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4082 2011-05-23 22:32:49 <EPiSKiNG> i had issues with my 11.5 drivers in win7 with dual, dual gpu cards
4083 2011-05-23 22:33:09 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: dunno offhand.  I wouldn't go larger, just in case there were hardcoded 32-bit assumptions lurking about.
4084 2011-05-23 22:33:41 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, well im just wondering, since making the 32 bit assumption would VASTLY simply some code, but would make it annoying to change later
4085 2011-05-23 22:34:12 <phantomcircuit> whatever ill just makes the assumption and deal with it later if it's an issue
4086 2011-05-23 22:35:02 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: I have a feeling satoshi said the same thing to himself when writing
4087 2011-05-23 22:35:12 <phantomcircuit> lol
4088 2011-05-23 22:35:22 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, yes except my assumption will lead to cleaner code
4089 2011-05-23 22:35:25 <phantomcircuit> not the other way around
4090 2011-05-23 22:35:28 <jgarzik> heh
4091 2011-05-23 22:35:43 <phantomcircuit> static uint64_t script::parse_bignum(std::string);
4092 2011-05-23 22:35:54 <phantomcircuit> the part im worried about is the uint64_t
4093 2011-05-23 22:35:59 <neoeinstein_> It's used for various counts of the number of operands and for limiting size of operands to arithmetic, so I'd think it's a pretty strong assumption.
4094 2011-05-23 22:36:09 <phantomcircuit> but i guess that can be changed later if it's really an issue
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4096 2011-05-23 22:36:43 <phantomcircuit> neoeinstein_, what? no it's not
4097 2011-05-23 22:36:44 <phantomcircuit> lol
4098 2011-05-23 22:37:28 <phantomcircuit> neoeinstein_, it limit's the byte length of a bignum in the scripts
4099 2011-05-23 22:37:55 <neoeinstein_> And where is CastToBigNum called?
4100 2011-05-23 22:37:59 <neoeinstein_> In the instances I mentioned
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4102 2011-05-23 22:40:37 <phantomcircuit> neoeinstein_, oh i see what you meant
4103 2011-05-23 22:40:43 <phantomcircuit> i read that wrong
4104 2011-05-23 22:41:13 <phantomcircuit> neoeinstein_, you can also do simple integer maths, so theoretically it could be increased to allow for adding together really large numbers
4105 2011-05-23 22:41:17 <phantomcircuit> but that seems unlikely
4106 2011-05-23 22:42:04 <neoeinstein_> Right. It's limited to reduce DoS type scripts, though they are still very possible as scripts are now written.
4107 2011-05-23 22:42:50 <neoeinstein_> (speaking of the scripts themselves, not whether the network will propogate them now)
4108 2011-05-23 22:43:00 <diki> you know...i still dont understand how a diff-1 share could find a block at current diff.
4109 2011-05-23 22:43:10 <diki> How are all the shares combined to find the block?
4110 2011-05-23 22:43:17 <gmaxwell> They aren't combined.
4111 2011-05-23 22:43:27 <diki> then how?
4112 2011-05-23 22:43:33 <diki> Pool sends you diff 1 problem
4113 2011-05-23 22:43:37 <gmaxwell> solves at the current diff are a proper subset of diff 1 solutions.
4114 2011-05-23 22:43:56 <neoeinstein_> diff-1 shares don't help find the block at all, unless they also match the current diff. Diff-1 shares otherwise are just proof of work.
4115 2011-05-23 22:44:07 <sipa> diki: diff-1 means: you report all solutions which score at least one, instead of only those who score the real difficulty
4116 2011-05-23 22:44:11 <gmaxwell> the pool says "find blocks where the value is < X" the solution is a block with value Y where Y<X.
4117 2011-05-23 22:44:29 <diki> right, then how in the end does it find the block at current diff?
4118 2011-05-23 22:44:38 <sipa> it just does
4119 2011-05-23 22:44:44 <gmaxwell> diki: one of the diff 1 shares is also a diff=zillion share, by chance.
4120 2011-05-23 22:45:06 <neoeinstein_> the getwork uses the "current diff", but tells the client to report all shares that meet the diff-1 criteria.
4121 2011-05-23 22:45:38 <gmaxwell> right, the block has the correct difficulty, of course, or its not valid.
4122 2011-05-23 22:46:17 <diki> So...all the getworks are just pieces of the original diff?
4123 2011-05-23 22:46:24 <gmaxwell> ...
4124 2011-05-23 22:46:26 <neoeinstein_> No
4125 2011-05-23 22:46:29 * gmaxwell cries
4126 2011-05-23 22:46:49 <gmaxwell> diki: imagine we're playing a dice game. The goal is to roll less than a 4.
4127 2011-05-23 22:47:03 <gmaxwell> Sometimes we might find a solution less than 4 which is also less than 2.
4128 2011-05-23 22:47:23 <gmaxwell> So in that case our roll would win the current game, as well as a harder game.
4129 2011-05-23 22:47:41 <sipa> diki: you get a hash problem, you find many solutions to it; some are good, others are better; the pool just asks you to report all reasonably good solutions, instead of only the really good ones - obviously you will also report the really good ones, but those are very rare
4130 2011-05-23 22:47:47 <diki> but i thought bitcoin checked if the hash is current diff
4131 2011-05-23 22:47:58 <gmaxwell> Likewise— the pool has you submit shares with <4 (random number), and eventually one of those will be enough to break the current diff as well.
4132 2011-05-23 22:48:07 <deaf> Does anyone know where I can get a script for a site for when someone enters in their bitcoin address and click "withraw" or "submit" it sends them bitcoins from my wallet?
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4134 2011-05-23 22:48:23 <gmaxwell> diki: it does. I'm not sure what you're asking there.
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4136 2011-05-23 22:49:02 <sipa> diki: for a POW to be a share, it must beat the difficulty-1's target; for a POW to be a real block, it must beat the real target
4137 2011-05-23 22:49:06 <diki> Here's what i understood. Pool sends diff 1 problem...and that diff 1 problem could actually be the correct hash for current diff
4138 2011-05-23 22:49:14 <sipa> yes
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4140 2011-05-23 22:49:26 <forrestv> deaf, 'shares' are blocks matching an arbitrarily higher target than the current difficulty's. some of those shares match the actual target too
4141 2011-05-23 22:49:32 <forrestv> yeah
4142 2011-05-23 22:49:34 <sipa> solutions to the diff-1 problem also include solutions to the diff-difficulty problem
4143 2011-05-23 22:49:53 <diki> so this is like trying to brute-force md5 by finding a hash that is equal to another, but not by it's original value
4144 2011-05-23 22:50:14 <gmaxwell> er.
4145 2011-05-23 22:50:45 <diki> collisions?
4146 2011-05-23 22:50:49 <gmaxwell> You're trying to find hashes less than Y by finding hashes less than X  such that Y<X.
4147 2011-05-23 22:50:56 <Namegduf> diki: It's trying to bruteforce SHA256, yes. No original value in particular.
4148 2011-05-23 22:51:00 <jgarzik> diki: pretend that collisions do not exist ;-)
4149 2011-05-23 22:51:05 <gmaxwell> s/such that/given/  (really)
4150 2011-05-23 22:51:21 <Namegduf> Just an arbitrary range of target SHA256 values.
4151 2011-05-23 22:51:26 <diki> so we ARE doing collisions in a more layman terms?
4152 2011-05-23 22:51:29 <Namegduf> No.
4153 2011-05-23 22:51:40 <Namegduf> There are not two values being found which both hash to the same thing.
4154 2011-05-23 22:51:43 <Namegduf> Simple as that.
4155 2011-05-23 22:51:48 <forrestv> not exact collisions, but kinda the same idea - hashes matching a certain pattern
4156 2011-05-23 22:51:56 <gmaxwell> it's a partial collision, technially.. but more partial than collisions.
4157 2011-05-23 22:52:15 <forrestv> instead of searching for an exact collision you search for data with a hash that is within a certain range
4158 2011-05-23 22:52:16 <Namegduf> You're looking for a hash with an arbitrary hash value, set not by the hash of something else but set arbitrarily factoring in difficulty.
4159 2011-05-23 22:52:43 <diki> there is a program out there called evil_md5 i think. It basically does something to a file to make it have the same md5 hash even if the file is different in name,size and contents
4160 2011-05-23 22:52:59 <sipa> yes, that is a real collision
4161 2011-05-23 22:53:04 <sipa> that is not what we're doing
4162 2011-05-23 22:53:08 <JFK911> md5 is easy to collide
4163 2011-05-23 22:53:15 <JFK911> thats why it was banned by the nsa over a decade ago
4164 2011-05-23 22:53:36 <diki> and what about bcrypt?
4165 2011-05-23 22:53:42 <JFK911> what you wanna look at here is preimage attack
4166 2011-05-23 22:53:55 <JFK911> you can decide what almost half the bits are going to be.
4167 2011-05-23 22:54:09 <gmaxwell> diki: in our case we're not trying to get a specific value, just any value such that hash =< target when hash is just taken as a bignum, with target determined by the difficulty.
4168 2011-05-23 22:54:10 <AAA_awright> What crypto algorithm does Bitcoin use for transactions?
4169 2011-05-23 22:54:13 <diki> let's leave it at collisions..any further is going to confuse me
4170 2011-05-23 22:54:16 <AAA_awright> Something that's shorter than RSA
4171 2011-05-23 22:54:19 <sipa> AAA_awright: ECDSA
4172 2011-05-23 22:54:27 <gmaxwell> AAA_awright: no crypto, ECC signatures.
4173 2011-05-23 22:54:39 <sipa> gmaxwell: sure crypto, no encryption though
4174 2011-05-23 22:54:45 <sipa> AAA_awright: using the secp256k1 curve
4175 2011-05-23 22:54:52 <AAA_awright> That's it
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4177 2011-05-23 22:55:13 <gmaxwell> sipa: fair. Just wanted to make it clear that it's not encrypted since people seem surprised by that in my expirence.
4178 2011-05-23 22:55:31 <sipa> gmaxwell: agree, i've seen many people make that assumption too
4179 2011-05-23 22:55:36 <gmaxwell> AAA_awright: thats it for the transactions.
4180 2011-05-23 22:56:23 <diki> In push pool we have easy target set as ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff00000000. What should i change to make the diff 2 or 3 or higher?
4181 2011-05-23 22:56:37 <AAA_awright> There's other methods for other things
4182 2011-05-23 22:56:41 <sipa> diff 2: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff700000000
4183 2011-05-23 22:56:49 <gmaxwell> diki: note that making the difficulty higher will make many GPU miner clients far less efficient.
4184 2011-05-23 22:56:56 <gmaxwell> s/far// I guess.
4185 2011-05-23 22:57:04 <diki> but deepbit and slush give out higher diffs
4186 2011-05-23 22:57:07 <sipa> diff 1.999969482421875 actually
4187 2011-05-23 22:57:12 <sipa> no
4188 2011-05-23 22:57:22 <sipa> oh, not sure
4189 2011-05-23 22:57:38 <sipa> gmaxwell: how so?
4190 2011-05-23 22:57:50 <bradmills> hey fellas - does anyone know of any BTC wealthy folks who would like to invest some BTC in a business that will help grow the global btc economy and attract new bitcoin users? It's a product/service (something everyon's asking for).  It's an investment so you will get cash and BTC back.
4191 2011-05-23 22:58:07 <sipa> bradmills: the forums is probably the best place to ask
4192 2011-05-23 22:58:12 <bradmills> thanks
4193 2011-05-23 22:58:15 <sipa> under project developement
4194 2011-05-23 22:58:23 <gmaxwell> sipa: well I removed the far because it was stupid.  It's not far. but e.g. phoenix has a dumb slow sha256 implemention which is uses to check the diff1 results from the gpu kernel.
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4196 2011-05-23 22:59:05 <sipa> yes, and it needs to check on average one solution in 2^32
4197 2011-05-23 22:59:10 <sipa> that's neglectable
4198 2011-05-23 22:59:14 <gmaxwell> yea, stupid. Ignore me. ;)
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4200 2011-05-23 22:59:43 <gmaxwell> Twice inconsequental is still inconsequential. ;)
4201 2011-05-23 23:01:42 <diki> sipa, mind telling me how to turn my own diffs to the format above?
4202 2011-05-23 23:01:57 <sipa> diki: it's just hex notation for numbers
4203 2011-05-23 23:02:07 <sipa> i'm not going to explain how that works
4204 2011-05-23 23:02:23 <diki> i used some online hex to dec and vice versa but the numbers are not the same as what they should be
4205 2011-05-23 23:02:36 <sipa> gmaxwell: i believe the miner does the calculation for all candidate solutions anyway, as it wants to check for hardware errors
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4207 2011-05-23 23:03:07 <sipa> diki: then toy around until you find it - if you have specific questions, please ask, but we're not going to explain you each and every step
4208 2011-05-23 23:03:12 <gmaxwell> sipa: and of course it does. I stand by my prior comment. (ignore me)
4209 2011-05-23 23:03:28 <neoeinstein_> diki, check your endianness
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4213 2011-05-23 23:05:36 <diki> well, all i get is 1.157920892373162e+77
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4215 2011-05-23 23:06:23 <sipa> ... don't use floating-point arithmetic
4216 2011-05-23 23:06:41 <diki> that is what online converters tell me
4217 2011-05-23 23:07:00 <sipa> there is no need to convert anything
4218 2011-05-23 23:07:40 * sipa -> bed
4219 2011-05-23 23:07:54 * diki return false
4220 2011-05-23 23:08:51 <diki> I think it's time to test out what CSS3 has to offer and some html5 features
4221 2011-05-23 23:10:00 <diki> text canvases in particular
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4235 2011-05-23 23:26:22 <ne0futur>  shizz : /join
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4238 2011-05-23 23:27:29 <shizz> has anyone got any illegal stuff to sell
4239 2011-05-23 23:27:33 <shizz> testing the water
4240 2011-05-23 23:27:36 <shizz> silk road is onwn
4241 2011-05-23 23:27:47 <shizz> are there any other vendors?
4242 2011-05-23 23:27:59 <shizz> i obviously am just scouting
4243 2011-05-23 23:28:02 <shizz> don't want to buy
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4245 2011-05-23 23:28:16 <BlueMatt> shizz: #bitcoin-otc
4246 2011-05-23 23:28:22 <BlueMatt> this is not the place
4247 2011-05-23 23:28:29 <BlueMatt> (for any buying/selling)
4248 2011-05-23 23:28:35 <Dekbit> lol they sent him here
4249 2011-05-23 23:28:35 <shizz> lol
4250 2011-05-23 23:28:38 <shizz> haha
4251 2011-05-23 23:28:44 <shizz> \is this developers
4252 2011-05-23 23:28:45 <Dekbit> basically dont ask stupid questions anywhere
4253 2011-05-23 23:28:46 <shizz> haha
4254 2011-05-23 23:28:53 <shizz> i don't have any coins
4255 2011-05-23 23:28:56 <BlueMatt> wtf, why did they send him here?
4256 2011-05-23 23:29:00 <shizz> i'm just interested in the whole operation
4257 2011-05-23 23:29:08 <shizz> but yeah point taken dekbit
4258 2011-05-23 23:29:14 <shizz> haha
4259 2011-05-23 23:29:15 <BlueMatt> if you want to know about the client/software here is the place
4260 2011-05-23 23:29:24 <shizz> bastards!
4261 2011-05-23 23:29:25 <BlueMatt> if not #bitcoin #bitcoin-otc #bitcoin-mining etc
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4264 2011-05-23 23:30:05 <Carandiru> really people selling illegal stuff don't think there gonna get busted lol
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4267 2011-05-23 23:30:28 <jgarzik> it's a publicly logged channel
4268 2011-05-23 23:30:35 <jgarzik> anyone talking about illegal stuff is just a troll
4269 2011-05-23 23:30:45 <jgarzik> or really stupid
4270 2011-05-23 23:31:24 <XX01XX> I think you can talk about that stuff in #bitcoin-FBI
4271 2011-05-23 23:31:32 <bradmills> haha
4272 2011-05-23 23:32:38 <diki> such a channel exists btw
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4276 2011-05-23 23:33:38 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: i'm having a weird issue with pushpool
4277 2011-05-23 23:33:48 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: i thought it was the miner i was using but doesn't seem that way
4278 2011-05-23 23:34:19 <diki> issue is?
4279 2011-05-23 23:34:34 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: if i connect my miners to deepbit everything works fine, if i connect them to pushpool (either my own with sqlite backend and me being the only user, or eligius) hashrate drops to ~1/3rd expected using exact same settings and just changing host/port/user/pass
4280 2011-05-23 23:34:49 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: ideas where to start looking?
4281 2011-05-23 23:34:55 <diki> 0_0
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4283 2011-05-23 23:35:12 <diki> i have no such problem
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4285 2011-05-23 23:35:36 <fabianhjr> MagicalTux: I think I nailed it.
4286 2011-05-23 23:35:52 <fabianhjr> The reason I can't trade is because I want to change 5 USD into < 1 BTC.
4287 2011-05-23 23:36:03 <fabianhjr> And it will round and I have not enough funds.
4288 2011-05-23 23:36:08 <jrmithdobbs> wait, i think i'm retarded
4289 2011-05-23 23:36:09 <fabianhjr> Why do you have that rule btw?
4290 2011-05-23 23:36:13 <jrmithdobbs> fooled by symlinks
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4292 2011-05-23 23:36:24 <jrmithdobbs> whoops, telling all 4 to use the same gpu is not productive
4293 2011-05-23 23:36:25 <jrmithdobbs> lol
4294 2011-05-23 23:37:10 <fabianhjr> Wait, the fuck?
4295 2011-05-23 23:37:17 <Dekbit> some people do run several pointed at different pools concurrently
4296 2011-05-23 23:37:18 <fabianhjr> Everyone should be using the 5970 by now.
4297 2011-05-23 23:38:23 <phantomcircuit> lol
4298 2011-05-23 23:38:33 <phantomcircuit> bignum in the scripts is just sign & magnitude
4299 2011-05-23 23:38:36 <phantomcircuit> fail
4300 2011-05-23 23:38:39 <jrmithdobbs> wait no, not all using the same gpu
4301 2011-05-23 23:38:41 <phantomcircuit> 0 and -0
4302 2011-05-23 23:38:44 <phantomcircuit> sigh
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4304 2011-05-23 23:39:48 <jrmithdobbs> oh there it is figured it out, not the miner or the pool
4305 2011-05-23 23:40:00 <jrmithdobbs> broken scripts, ha
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4311 2011-05-23 23:42:48 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, there is literally a valid representation of negative zero
4312 2011-05-23 23:42:58 <phantomcircuit> i mean for fucks sake people
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4318 2011-05-23 23:44:49 <phantomcircuit> ./src/script.cpp:38:            // Can be negative zero
4319 2011-05-23 23:44:50 <phantomcircuit> lol
4320 2011-05-23 23:44:52 <phantomcircuit> srsly?
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4322 2011-05-23 23:46:57 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: what
4323 2011-05-23 23:47:02 <ntosme21> which miner should I use with multiple cards?
4324 2011-05-23 23:47:25 <jrmithdobbs> wtf is negative zero
4325 2011-05-23 23:47:42 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, zero with a sign bit
4326 2011-05-23 23:47:46 <phantomcircuit> lolololololol
4327 2011-05-23 23:47:48 <jrmithdobbs> but
4328 2011-05-23 23:47:50 <jrmithdobbs> why
4329 2011-05-23 23:48:06 <phantomcircuit> because satoishi decided to use the openssl bignum library
4330 2011-05-23 23:48:17 <phantomcircuit> and he's using like half of their insane format
4331 2011-05-23 23:48:26 <Carandiru> its still zero and should be treated as such
4332 2011-05-23 23:48:49 <phantomcircuit> Carandiru, well yes
4333 2011-05-23 23:48:52 <phantomcircuit> but it's insane
4334 2011-05-23 23:48:59 <jrmithdobbs> interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signed_zero
4335 2011-05-23 23:49:12 <jrmithdobbs> i don't see how it's useful to bitcoin .... but learn something every day
4336 2011-05-23 23:50:14 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, it's not useful at all
4337 2011-05-23 23:50:21 <phantomcircuit> it's simply a quirk of the script engine
4338 2011-05-23 23:50:44 <jrmithdobbs> that's not even concept i've head of until now, haha
4339 2011-05-23 23:50:55 <Carandiru> I could just imagine someone writing some code that is .... if ( iX == 0 ) else if ( iX == -0) else ....
4340 2011-05-23 23:51:37 <bitlife> lol
4341 2011-05-23 23:52:42 <phantomcircuit> sigh i guess i shouldn't be using public facing api's which could potentially be obsoleted in the future
4342 2011-05-23 23:52:53 <phantomcircuit> now i need a stupid bignum class
4343 2011-05-23 23:52:54 <phantomcircuit> god
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