1 2011-05-26 00:02:21 <Backburn> ^
   2 2011-05-26 00:02:26 <Backburn> we require more vespene gas
   3 2011-05-26 00:03:36 <jrmithdobbs> 2011-05-25_23:48:30.88818 [1306367310.888151] PROOF-OF-WORK found
   4 2011-05-26 00:03:45 <idnar> gjs278: haha
   5 2011-05-26 00:03:57 <idnar> invalid psi usage requested
   6 2011-05-26 00:04:13 <ArtForz> do a barrel roll!
   7 2011-05-26 00:04:20 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: how do i tell pushpoold to stop adding stupid extra timestamps
   8 2011-05-26 00:04:32 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: please don't tel me i need to patch it :(
   9 2011-05-26 00:04:49 <Backburn> muhahahaha just got another 10ghashes online
  10 2011-05-26 00:04:50 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: there are a bazillion logging configurations, so you'll have to be much more specific
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  12 2011-05-26 00:05:06 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: syslog doesn't have extra timestamps
  13 2011-05-26 00:05:10 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: with -F -E commandline args it spits out a timestamp, i don't need it to
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  15 2011-05-26 00:05:44 <Backburn> 10ghash = a pint of blood in case cuts :P
  16 2011-05-26 00:05:57 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: <3 svlogd/runit
  17 2011-05-26 00:06:57 <jrmithdobbs> also i think there's a regression in 322 re: showing immature genned blocks in listtransactions
  18 2011-05-26 00:07:01 <Xenland> Any ideas after getting push pool start listening, why it would say Wrong Username or Password. when i know in the database it says exactly that same capitalization too
  19 2011-05-26 00:07:02 <jrmithdobbs> ie, it's not showing them
  20 2011-05-26 00:07:23 <jrmithdobbs> copy the wallet to a gui client and it shows them
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  24 2011-05-26 00:09:40 <Xenland> lol i got pushpool to work but now it wont get the user name and password correctly when i try to connect
  25 2011-05-26 00:09:49 <Xenland> tells me Wrong Username & Password
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  27 2011-05-26 00:10:32 <lfm> bluematt ok I have a patch for the difficulty. I dont know git tho. I can just give it to you as a pastebin ok? http://pastebin.com/QLnmZFbS
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  29 2011-05-26 00:11:09 <BlueMatt> lfm: can you email it to me...I have a feeling Ill forget, matt@bluematt.me
  30 2011-05-26 00:11:17 <TbbW> i'm sorry if i bring this up again but about that lvl of 21milion bitcoins been the limit... wont the 0.1 transaction fees make sure bitcoins disapear so new ones can be made ?
  31 2011-05-26 00:11:19 <BlueMatt> (or just the pastebin linke works too)
  32 2011-05-26 00:11:30 <lfm> bluematt oh ok
  33 2011-05-26 00:11:55 <gjs278> lfm got off easy, I was forced to git
  34 2011-05-26 00:12:19 <TbbW> 0.01 even
  35 2011-05-26 00:12:34 <BlueMatt> gjs278: Ill always git for you...sipa/jgarzik not so much
  36 2011-05-26 00:12:51 <lfm> gjs278: I hope its acceptable. quite small as patches go
  37 2011-05-26 00:13:13 <gjs278> my original was rejected because I tabbed instead of 8 spaces
  38 2011-05-26 00:13:24 <jrmithdobbs> oh nm, no regression bad logic in my rpc parser
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  40 2011-05-26 00:14:13 <BlueMatt> gjs278: lol, who did you send this to?
  41 2011-05-26 00:14:29 <gjs278> I just pasted it in the channel and said here take this
  42 2011-05-26 00:14:37 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
  43 2011-05-26 00:14:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126763 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 244 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 424519.15617783
  44 2011-05-26 00:14:45 <BlueMatt> gjs278: who responded?
  45 2011-05-26 00:14:55 <gjs278> I'd have to logcheck, it was like my first two days here
  46 2011-05-26 00:15:00 <gjs278> I didnt know the names
  47 2011-05-26 00:15:11 <BlueMatt> ah, meh doesnt really matter
  48 2011-05-26 00:15:50 <gjs278> tcatm&sipa
  49 2011-05-26 00:16:18 <BlueMatt> ah, well I think Im the only one who will reformat someone's patch for them...
  50 2011-05-26 00:16:26 <BlueMatt> not really my job, but either way...
  51 2011-05-26 00:17:11 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: so that's gonna take a patch i take it?
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  56 2011-05-26 00:21:05 <luke-jr> TbbW: the fees go to someone
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  58 2011-05-26 00:23:31 x5x`brb is now known as x5x
  59 2011-05-26 00:26:00 <bytepimp> Latest bitcoin desktop wallpaper design: http://carbonism.deviantart.com/#/d3h803f  enjoy
  60 2011-05-26 00:28:09 <BlueMatt> lolblocks
  61 2011-05-26 00:28:29 <kelp> that's cool
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  65 2011-05-26 00:35:29 <tcatm> looks like someone tried to DDoS bitcoincharts
  66 2011-05-26 00:35:43 <Kiba`> tcatm: wow..but you have no money
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  68 2011-05-26 00:37:10 <tcatm> Kiba`: that
  69 2011-05-26 00:37:21 <tcatm> 's probably the reason why it was only a syn flood
  70 2011-05-26 00:38:11 <luke-jr> tcatm: that means you can remove BTCex again right?
  71 2011-05-26 00:38:25 <tcatm> how does that relate?
  72 2011-05-26 00:38:25 <luke-jr> bytepimp: omg there's an idea!
  73 2011-05-26 00:38:36 <luke-jr> tcatm: didn't you add them back because they threatened to DDoS you?
  74 2011-05-26 00:38:43 <luke-jr> bytepimp: Bitcoin blocks! :P
  75 2011-05-26 00:38:51 <luke-jr> bytepimp: like Bitbucks, but cubes
  76 2011-05-26 00:38:56 <tcatm> luke-jr: no
  77 2011-05-26 00:39:02 <luke-jr> tcatm: then why? O.o
  78 2011-05-26 00:39:09 <Kiba`> btcex is dead, isn't it?
  79 2011-05-26 00:39:29 <tcatm> luke-jr: i forgot to commit the change so it was overwritten when I pushed new updates
  80 2011-05-26 00:39:39 <luke-jr> lol
  81 2011-05-26 00:39:47 <luke-jr> I was told they threatened to DDoS you
  82 2011-05-26 00:39:53 <tcatm> by whom?
  83 2011-05-26 00:39:58 <luke-jr> dunno, it was a while ago
  84 2011-05-26 00:40:01 <Xenland> how does one rescan a backup wallet.dat
  85 2011-05-26 00:40:25 <luke-jr> Xenland: -rescan
  86 2011-05-26 00:40:45 <JFK911> uh oh competition for bitcoin? http://www.digitaltransactions.net/news/story/3059
  87 2011-05-26 00:41:05 <JFK911> oh thats paypal not bitcoin
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  89 2011-05-26 00:41:32 <Kiba`> it is only a threat if we move too slowly
  90 2011-05-26 00:41:32 <lfm> bluematt ok email sent
  91 2011-05-26 00:41:35 <Kiba`> if we move fast enough
  92 2011-05-26 00:41:38 <Kiba`> nothing is a threat
  93 2011-05-26 00:42:02 <BlueMatt> lfm: thanks...Im off to bed...gnight
  94 2011-05-26 00:42:08 <lfm> k gnite
  95 2011-05-26 00:42:43 <tcatm> JFK911: not really. article says PayPal is P2P and thus clearXchange is probably just something like paypal
  96 2011-05-26 00:43:02 <Kiba`> person to person?
  97 2011-05-26 00:43:13 <Cusipzzz> they haven't said what the fees for clearXchange will be
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  99 2011-05-26 00:43:20 <lfm> hehe ya I spoze so
 100 2011-05-26 00:43:23 <thedrs> ;;bc,stats
 101 2011-05-26 00:43:24 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126771 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 236 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 43 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 424720.53125274
 102 2011-05-26 00:43:52 <thedrs> ;;bc,help
 103 2011-05-26 00:43:52 <gribble> Alias bc,24hprc, Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btceur, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,btcgbp, Alias bc,btcguild, Alias bc,btcrub, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,deepbit, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,diffchange, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,googlerate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, (1 more message)
 104 2011-05-26 00:44:32 <thedrs> ;;bc,gend 424720.53125274 350000
 105 2011-05-26 00:44:33 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 424720.53125274 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 350000, is 1.22055989758 BTC per day and 0.050856662399 BTC per hour.
 106 2011-05-26 00:44:51 <thedrs> ;;bc,gend 350000 424720.53125274
 107 2011-05-26 00:44:51 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 350000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 424720.53125274, is 0.828874300392 BTC per day and 0.034536429183 BTC per hour.
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 109 2011-05-26 00:45:20 <BlueMatt> thedrs: that can be done in privmsg to gribble, please not in the chan
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 111 2011-05-26 00:45:40 <thedrs> sorry forgot about that new thing
 112 2011-05-26 00:46:00 <BlueMatt> *old thing
 113 2011-05-26 00:46:04 <thedrs> i thought gribble answers on private and that reminds you to use private
 114 2011-05-26 00:46:24 <BlueMatt> only on -otc
 115 2011-05-26 00:48:13 <thedrs> ahh
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 119 2011-05-26 00:52:51 <jeremid> ;;bc.mtgox
 120 2011-05-26 00:52:52 <gribble> Error: "bc.mtgox" is not a valid command.
 121 2011-05-26 00:52:55 <jeremid> ;;bc,mtgox
 122 2011-05-26 00:52:55 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.33,"low":7.2161,"vol":64782,"buy":8.1001,"sell":8.11,"last":8.11}}
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 124 2011-05-26 00:55:29 <Guest1997> Hello?
 125 2011-05-26 00:57:17 vorlov has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 126 2011-05-26 00:58:31 <Guest1997> Anybody have an idea of how to make an inexpensive rig for under 500 dollars?
 127 2011-05-26 00:58:52 <Guest1997> I was thinking about buying some of the computers on Ebay and putting Linux on them
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 129 2011-05-26 00:59:43 <Guest1997> What about under 1000 dollars
 130 2011-05-26 00:59:49 <JFK911> Kelly Hodgkins  You may have heard of Bitcoin. A new virtual currency used by hackers. Miners producing the currency are getting some unwanted attention from police who mistake them for pot growers.
 131 2011-05-26 01:00:24 <BlueMatt> JFK911: lol, god and Diablo even mentioned on that article that it was a joke...
 132 2011-05-26 01:00:29 <BlueMatt> Guest1997: #bitcoin-mining
 133 2011-05-26 01:00:31 <ArtForz> yep
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 135 2011-05-26 01:00:43 <Guest1997> #?
 136 2011-05-26 01:00:47 <Guest1997> ok
 137 2011-05-26 01:00:57 <Guest1997> #bitcoin-mining
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 139 2011-05-26 01:01:00 <JFK911> its such a likely thing to happen in the usa thou
 140 2011-05-26 01:01:08 <Guest1997> sorry I don't know how to use IRC
 141 2011-05-26 01:01:14 <Guest1997> I am a Newb
 142 2011-05-26 01:01:22 <BlueMatt> JFK911: lol if you think the govt goes after pot growers in the us...god you are stupid
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 144 2011-05-26 01:01:38 <Guest1997> =?
 145 2011-05-26 01:01:39 <JFK911> depends on what state you are in
 146 2011-05-26 01:01:46 <BlueMatt> only really huge ones
 147 2011-05-26 01:01:52 <BlueMatt> and they are never using electric lamps
 148 2011-05-26 01:01:58 <BlueMatt> those are out in fields hidden in forests
 149 2011-05-26 01:02:13 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: eww
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 152 2011-05-26 01:02:33 <ArtForz> outdoor pot sucks
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 155 2011-05-26 01:03:02 <JFK911> right
 156 2011-05-26 01:03:17 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: hence why so much is imported/grown indoors in smaller patches
 157 2011-05-26 01:03:21 <JFK911> busts are pretty regular in the newspaper here
 158 2011-05-26 01:03:31 <BlueMatt> where?
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 161 2011-05-26 01:04:22 <JFK911> the South
 162 2011-05-26 01:04:37 <BlueMatt> mm, ok well that is very different
 163 2011-05-26 01:04:44 <JFK911> yeah not the northwest
 164 2011-05-26 01:04:56 <JFK911> sadly
 165 2011-05-26 01:04:58 <BlueMatt> I think you mean anywest
 166 2011-05-26 01:05:25 <JFK911> you mean like arizona?
 167 2011-05-26 01:05:33 <BlueMatt> no like socal
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 169 2011-05-26 01:05:37 <BlueMatt> arizona aint great either
 170 2011-05-26 01:05:45 <JFK911> yea i am aware
 171 2011-05-26 01:05:57 <BlueMatt> though I suppose sw isnt good except for socal really...
 172 2011-05-26 01:06:17 <JFK911> electricity is expensive there, and im not sure los angeles has enough water
 173 2011-05-26 01:06:51 <JFK911> new mexico didnt seem to be very rude
 174 2011-05-26 01:06:54 <BlueMatt> they dont grow much indoor there, really...mostly either import or outdoor in some forest/mountin in arizona or towards the border
 175 2011-05-26 01:07:19 <JFK911> i think the story would also be plausible in BC too
 176 2011-05-26 01:07:23 <BlueMatt> well import including from nw that is...
 177 2011-05-26 01:08:00 <JFK911> there is some good outdoor pot grown in northern california, apparently, there was a thing on tv about this
 178 2011-05-26 01:08:10 <JFK911> people had backyards full of these ten foot plants
 179 2011-05-26 01:08:23 <BlueMatt> where is pot a native plant?
 180 2011-05-26 01:08:29 <JFK911> china
 181 2011-05-26 01:08:34 <BlueMatt> ah, thought so
 182 2011-05-26 01:08:44 <BlueMatt> them crazy asians
 183 2011-05-26 01:08:44 <JFK911> my guess
 184 2011-05-26 01:09:05 <JFK911> if it grows in the california desert it should grow anywhere
 185 2011-05-26 01:09:12 <BlueMatt> lol true
 186 2011-05-26 01:09:30 <BlueMatt> and with enough money...
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 192 2011-05-26 01:15:43 <Juffo-Wup> man, cannabis will grow almost anywhere if left alone
 193 2011-05-26 01:15:47 <Juffo-Wup> i mean it likes rain but besides that...
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 199 2011-05-26 01:22:35 <Xenland> No thoughts on why poclbm would report wrong username or password for pushpool would they? (and don't say its the wrong username or password plz) :P
 200 2011-05-26 01:23:40 <GarrettB> Xenland: definitely that it's the wrong un/pw
 201 2011-05-26 01:24:03 <luke-jr> I concur
 202 2011-05-26 01:24:17 <Xenland> i disagree, i wouldn't want to make myself look "that" stupid
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 205 2011-05-26 01:24:33 <luke-jr> perhaps, but you just did!
 206 2011-05-26 01:24:49 <Xenland> perhaps.... but non the less i copy and pasted the password and username
 207 2011-05-26 01:24:53 <lfm> Xenland: you using funny chars in un/pw?
 208 2011-05-26 01:25:40 <Xenland> nope just a simple test poclbm --user=CustomUser --pass=CustomPass -host 127.0.0.1 -f10 -d1
 209 2011-05-26 01:26:06 <GarrettB> you can leave out the host
 210 2011-05-26 01:26:09 <GarrettB> that's the wrong syntax
 211 2011-05-26 01:26:15 <GarrettB> anyway
 212 2011-05-26 01:26:27 <lfm> -password=ccc?
 213 2011-05-26 01:26:51 <Xenland> whats wrong about the syntax
 214 2011-05-26 01:26:56 <Xenland> lfm: huh?
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 216 2011-05-26 01:27:10 <Xenland> i'll just do one letter passwords to statisfy everyone
 217 2011-05-26 01:28:13 <lfm> I dont see a problem actually
 218 2011-05-26 01:28:48 <Xenland> hmmm i think i thought of something, how do you test for if ports are open on ubuntu
 219 2011-05-26 01:28:57 <jmpespxoreax> nmap
 220 2011-05-26 01:28:59 <Xenland> im retireving this information from an external MySql server
 221 2011-05-26 01:29:07 <GarrettB> I'm pretty sure the host syntax is --host=hostip
 222 2011-05-26 01:29:20 <GarrettB> and it's -f # and -d #
 223 2011-05-26 01:29:24 <GarrettB> there should be a space
 224 2011-05-26 01:29:36 <lfm> oh ya missing '+' in --host
 225 2011-05-26 01:29:42 <lfm> oh ya missing '=' in --host
 226 2011-05-26 01:29:48 <GarrettB> lol
 227 2011-05-26 01:29:49 <Xenland> GarrettB: you are correct but thats how i connected to slush everyday
 228 2011-05-26 01:30:10 <Xenland> if it didnt connect to the host it probubly wouldnt have giving me the wrong user name & pass error
 229 2011-05-26 01:30:26 <Xenland> jmpespxoreax:thanks mate that helps
 230 2011-05-26 01:31:54 <GarrettB> ports being open shouldn't matter
 231 2011-05-26 01:32:00 <GarrettB> if you're connecting to localhost
 232 2011-05-26 01:32:00 <lfm> is no -host it is -o hastaddr or --host=hostaddr
 233 2011-05-26 01:32:19 <GarrettB> also, did you make the .conf file?
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 235 2011-05-26 01:33:45 <lfm> -host is prolly interpreted as -help
 236 2011-05-26 01:35:42 <jeremid> what function is called when a tx comes along
 237 2011-05-26 01:36:29 <lfm> jeremid prolly lots of functions
 238 2011-05-26 01:36:38 <Xenland> this is sooo wierd both my 3306 port and my hosts 3306 port is open but yet it continues to say wrong username and password
 239 2011-05-26 01:37:10 <jeremid> i mean the main function.. event loop or whatevs
 240 2011-05-26 01:37:13 <lfm> is it gui bitcoin or bitcoind?
 241 2011-05-26 01:38:08 <lfm> Xenland:  is it gui bitcoin or bitcoind?
 242 2011-05-26 01:38:14 <Xenland> bitcoind
 243 2011-05-26 01:38:19 <lfm> k
 244 2011-05-26 01:39:19 <lfm> jeremid something in net.cpp I guess.
 245 2011-05-26 01:39:24 <Xenland> im just going to try sqlite3 mysql hates me today
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 247 2011-05-26 01:40:52 <sneak> /usr/bin/ld: Warning: size of symbol `DES_set_odd_parity' changed from 57 in /usr/lib/gcc/i386-redhat-linux/4.1.2/../../../libcrypto.a(set_key.o) to 115 in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/deps/lib/libcrypto.a(set_key.o)
 248 2011-05-26 01:41:05 <sneak> how do i make gcc use only my defined-by-path libs on the command line and not the system ones?
 249 2011-05-26 01:41:14 <sneak> i'm trying to statically link against a sandboxed openssl with eccdsa
 250 2011-05-26 01:41:28 <sneak> this worked a few months ago, i'm trying to update my makefile in my srpm/spec
 251 2011-05-26 01:42:26 <sneak> nm it's just order on the command line
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 255 2011-05-26 01:45:38 <jeremid>     else if (strCommand == "tx")
 256 2011-05-26 01:45:49 <jeremid>  if (tx.AcceptToMemoryPool(true, &fMissingInputs))
 257 2011-05-26 01:45:56 <jeremid> where does it validate the block the tx references
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 260 2011-05-26 01:49:43 <jeremid> if you get a tx where the input is from a block you dont have.. what happens
 261 2011-05-26 01:50:00 <jrmithdobbs> what
 262 2011-05-26 01:50:21 <jeremid> someone sends you a tx right..
 263 2011-05-26 01:50:22 <tcatm> jeremid: IIRC the client will request the input tx
 264 2011-05-26 01:50:25 <jrmithdobbs> jeremid: things going into the memory pool are by definition not in a block
 265 2011-05-26 01:50:50 <jrmithdobbs> jeremid: if you're missing blocks you will ignore them until blocks show up because they wont validate
 266 2011-05-26 01:51:48 <jeremid> tcatm: hmm how does it do that.. in th emiddle of verifying the tx?
 267 2011-05-26 01:51:54 <jeremid> jrmithdobbs: hmm so just ignored? i c
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 275 2011-05-26 01:56:34 <tcatm> jeremid: hrm, looks like the client does not request missing TXs
 276 2011-05-26 01:56:55 <jeremid> oh no request missing blk
 277 2011-05-26 01:56:58 <jrmithdobbs> jeremid: i'd have to look at the code to be sure
 278 2011-05-26 01:57:12 <tcatm> missing blocks are requested.
 279 2011-05-26 01:57:20 <jrmithdobbs> jeremid: but it may very well keep them around in memory forever considering how some other parts of the code works
 280 2011-05-26 01:57:32 <jrmithdobbs> jeremid: waiting for the blocks in question
 281 2011-05-26 01:57:37 <tcatm> main.cpp ~1780
 282 2011-05-26 01:57:37 <jeremid> interesting
 283 2011-05-26 01:58:05 <jeremid> tcatm - oh rite, but that is not triggered when you see a tx that references some blk youve never seen
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 285 2011-05-26 01:58:11 <jeremid> ok i see what you mean
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 287 2011-05-26 01:58:34 <tcatm> jeremid: true. you don't even know whether that input tx is in a block
 288 2011-05-26 01:58:38 <jeremid> if you get a blk, youll ask for prev blks..  if you get a tx - you wont ask for blks
 289 2011-05-26 01:59:13 <jeremid> tcatm - so if you don't already have all the ancestor transactions on disk or in memory, you will just drop the tx.. because you cant verify it
 290 2011-05-26 01:59:30 <Ratt> I'm having a bit of a problem with blkmond.  I start it up and it's failing at handle_read(self) under the if len(t) == 0
 291 2011-05-26 01:59:46 <Ratt> Anyone know why it's not staying connected to pushpool?
 292 2011-05-26 01:59:56 <jrmithdobbs> it doesn't connect to pushpool
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 294 2011-05-26 02:00:01 <Ratt> I mean Bitcoind
 295 2011-05-26 02:00:08 <tcatm> err.. no. it's added to the list of orphaned transactions and processed if you somehow get the missing inputs (either with a new block or because someone sends it to you)
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 298 2011-05-26 02:00:41 <Ratt> When it does stay connected, it won't signal pushpool there's a new block
 299 2011-05-26 02:01:14 <jrmithdobbs> tcatm: isn't that a possible memory exhaustin dos vector?
 300 2011-05-26 02:01:18 <jrmithdobbs> exhaustion
 301 2011-05-26 02:01:23 <tcatm> jrmithdobbs: yep
 302 2011-05-26 02:01:38 <jeremid> tcatm: gotcha.. but you wont "ask for more blocks" to help you deal with that tx.
 303 2011-05-26 02:01:39 <jrmithdobbs> tcatm: there's another one in the network time code
 304 2011-05-26 02:01:45 <jeremid> you just chill until you get something new
 305 2011-05-26 02:02:03 <jeremid> makes sense
 306 2011-05-26 02:02:03 <jrmithdobbs> tcatm: not easily exploitable with ip4 only but turn on ip6 and you could exploit it with just a /64 which is trivial
 307 2011-05-26 02:02:07 <jrmithdobbs> tcatm: same basic idea
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 310 2011-05-26 02:05:11 <jeremid> when a peer sends you a tx they dont include the blocks it depends on does it
 311 2011-05-26 02:05:17 <jeremid> i assume not.. that would just be a waste of bw
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 314 2011-05-26 02:08:27 <jeremid> blocks that fail the PoW test arent kept around as orphans are they?
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 329 2011-05-26 02:26:51 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 330 2011-05-26 02:26:51 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.33,"low":7.2161,"vol":66623,"buy":8.28,"sell":8.3,"last":8.3}}
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 334 2011-05-26 02:36:50 <jgarzik> oh, dog
 335 2011-05-26 02:36:59 <jgarzik> luke-jr has even infected https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/History with tonal
 336 2011-05-26 02:38:12 <jrmithdobbs> why do you hate tonal so much
 337 2011-05-26 02:38:14 <doublec> "Tonal Bitcoin units standardized"
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 340 2011-05-26 02:41:13 <johnnympereira5> where would i find the current difficulty level?
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 342 2011-05-26 02:43:13 <ninjaneo> ;;bc,diff
 343 2011-05-26 02:43:13 <gribble> 244139.48158254
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 345 2011-05-26 02:45:28 <johnnympereira5> thanks! do you know if theres a specific website that shows that
 346 2011-05-26 02:45:37 <luke-jr> ;;help bc,diff
 347 2011-05-26 02:45:37 <gribble> (bc,diff <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch http://blockexplorer.com/q/getdifficulty".
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 350 2011-05-26 02:48:39 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: Tonal is a one man crusade, but you would never know that from reading the wiki.  Most people think tonal is quite irrelevant, myself included, making it the subject of April Fool's jokes and the like.  But when new users -- or reporters -- start reading this stuff and thinking tonal is important or relevant somehow, it makes one wish for a wiki editorial staff.
 351 2011-05-26 02:49:14 <lfm> hehe
 352 2011-05-26 02:49:28 <jgarzik> Note the date on Gavin's pull request:  http://forum.bitcoin.org/?topic=5276.0
 353 2011-05-26 02:49:40 <lfm> Ill donate 10 btc to a wiki editorial staff
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 357 2011-05-26 02:52:53 <manveru> wtf is tonal about?
 358 2011-05-26 02:53:02 <jgarzik> another howler from the wiki:
 359 2011-05-26 02:53:04 <jgarzik> April 28, 2011
 360 2011-05-26 02:53:04 <jgarzik>     * Block 120,630 is first to be mined using split allocation of the generation reward.
 361 2011-05-26 02:53:14 <jgarzik> puddinpop did that long before April 2011
 362 2011-05-26 02:53:54 <lfm> it from a book from soewhere aroun 1855 or something where some engineer thinks we should all change over to base 16 and a bunch of related unit changes for length and area
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 364 2011-05-26 02:54:15 <manveru> lol
 365 2011-05-26 02:54:20 <jgarzik> manveru: exactly
 366 2011-05-26 02:54:38 <lfm> oh ya, and a universal tonal currency
 367 2011-05-26 02:55:19 <lfm> so luke-jr figured bitcoin was just the thing to advance the tonal cause to the world
 368 2011-05-26 02:55:56 <manveru> :)
 369 2011-05-26 02:56:22 <luke-jr> jgarzik: nonsense
 370 2011-05-26 02:56:28 <lfm> luke-jr was so insistant and I was bored one day so I actually read the book. its just as much garbage as you think it is
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 372 2011-05-26 02:56:54 <luke-jr> jgarzik: the puddinpop note is correct; I suggest someone fix that
 373 2011-05-26 02:56:59 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: i don't know i perused the book earlier and the guy makes some good points
 374 2011-05-26 02:57:00 rtward has joined
 375 2011-05-26 02:57:10 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: and his points have only become more valid with the advent of computers tbqh
 376 2011-05-26 02:57:20 <manveru> what's wrong with base-10?
 377 2011-05-26 02:57:27 <lfm> jrmithdobbs: ya, and he glosses over some collosal blunders
 378 2011-05-26 02:57:28 <luke-jr> manveru: every base is base 10
 379 2011-05-26 02:57:55 <manveru> from WP it sounds more like tonal is base-16
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 381 2011-05-26 02:58:08 <jrmithdobbs> i think adding glyphs for it is stupid and it should be represented by the more widely accept in this day and age 0x[0-f] hex representations
 382 2011-05-26 02:58:08 <luke-jr> manveru: only from the perspective of decimal
 383 2011-05-26 02:58:20 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: oh i didn't bother with the units of measure bits
 384 2011-05-26 02:58:38 <manveru> luke-jr: well, that's what 95% of the world uses nowadays
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 386 2011-05-26 02:58:54 <lfm> well in tonal the base it uses is base 10 and the rest of the world uses base0a or some new character thats not on my keyboard
 387 2011-05-26 02:59:04 <luke-jr> lfm: 9 isn't on your keyboard?
 388 2011-05-26 02:59:04 <jrmithdobbs> manveru: it base-16 + a bunch of crazy crap
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 390 2011-05-26 02:59:26 <lfm> base 9, oh ya tonal's 9 is our 10
 391 2011-05-26 02:59:42 <jrmithdobbs> the base16 portion really has a pretty defensible stance in our times
 392 2011-05-26 02:59:46 <lfm> he though redefining 9 was a good idea
 393 2011-05-26 02:59:49 <jrmithdobbs> the crazy measuring/units stuff not so much
 394 2011-05-26 03:00:00 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: nothing crazy about it
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 396 2011-05-26 03:00:15 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: hey man, be happy with the halfassed backing i'm giving you on this
 397 2011-05-26 03:00:57 <lfm> he repeated points out that tonal would be good for a "craftsman's folding measuring rule" since they didnt have tape measures back then
 398 2011-05-26 03:01:03 <jrmithdobbs> there is definitely use, at least in academic settings, for people to learn base 16 (and base 6 and base2)
 399 2011-05-26 03:01:09 <luke-jr> it's not as ideal as dozenal's TGM, but it's logically consistent
 400 2011-05-26 03:01:37 <jrmithdobbs> and it really should be more prominent in modern curriculums
 401 2011-05-26 03:01:39 <luke-jr> lfm: that's just in regard to the length of the meter
 402 2011-05-26 03:01:41 <jrmithdobbs> that should be base8 obviously
 403 2011-05-26 03:01:49 <jrmithdobbs> base6 is pretty fuckin worthless
 404 2011-05-26 03:02:08 <manveru> unless you cut off 4 of your fingers
 405 2011-05-26 03:02:20 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: my curriculum covers tonal, dozenal, decimal, octal, and binary
 406 2011-05-26 03:02:37 <luke-jr> actually, base 6 is 2nd-ideal base for finger-counting
 407 2011-05-26 03:02:37 <jrmithdobbs> manveru: no that's a pretty bad misconception
 408 2011-05-26 03:02:40 <lfm> and he made a totally wrong argument about sines and cosines, mainly because he didn't have a computer to calculate them correctly
 409 2011-05-26 03:02:41 <luke-jr> each hand being a digit
 410 2011-05-26 03:02:59 <luke-jr> lfm: he approximated, cry a river
 411 2011-05-26 03:03:02 <jrmithdobbs> manveru: simple math is much easier in base2 reducable numbering systems
 412 2011-05-26 03:03:18 <lfm> no it was totally wrong, not even aproximatly right
 413 2011-05-26 03:03:26 <luke-jr> lfm: no it wasn't.
 414 2011-05-26 03:04:03 <lfm> luke we thats sure a convincing and logical argument tyhere luke. I calculated those sine tables and his agument is wrong
 415 2011-05-26 03:04:23 <luke-jr> lfm: I calculated them too, and while his figures weren't exact, his argument stood
 416 2011-05-26 03:04:27 <jrmithdobbs> link to page on google books
 417 2011-05-26 03:04:37 <luke-jr> http://books.google.com/books?id=aNYGAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover
 418 2011-05-26 03:04:46 <luke-jr> also, this discussion really belongs in #Tonal
 419 2011-05-26 03:04:46 <jrmithdobbs> i said page not the frontcover
 420 2011-05-26 03:04:51 <manveru> hm
 421 2011-05-26 03:04:53 <jrmithdobbs> as in, the page with the tables
 422 2011-05-26 03:05:05 <jrmithdobbs> and nm, not fuckin doin trig tonight, fuck that shit
 423 2011-05-26 03:05:07 <luke-jr> because at the end of the day, people who like decimal will use BTC, and people who like tonal will use TBC
 424 2011-05-26 03:05:12 <lfm> oh it was the log tables, not the sine tables
 425 2011-05-26 03:05:37 <manveru> dunno, i have a hard time believing a system that measures stuff in "bong" will ever gain widespread acceptance
 426 2011-05-26 03:05:40 <jlewis> who else uses tonal besides luke-jr? just curious
 427 2011-05-26 03:05:43 <jlewis> lol
 428 2011-05-26 03:06:03 <jrmithdobbs> jlewis: i'm sure there's some corner case academic circles
 429 2011-05-26 03:06:05 <luke-jr> jlewis: probably nobody *here*, because there's too many trolls to chase them away
 430 2011-05-26 03:06:06 <jrmithdobbs> but um
 431 2011-05-26 03:06:12 <jrmithdobbs> ya
 432 2011-05-26 03:06:16 <luke-jr> at least, I'm not going to invite them with the status quo
 433 2011-05-26 03:06:17 <jrmithdobbs> can't think of anything else
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 435 2011-05-26 03:06:48 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: where do you teach anyways?
 436 2011-05-26 03:07:00 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: near Tampa
 437 2011-05-26 03:07:04 <jlewis> i can't imagine an academic circle that would be interested in using a nonstandard base system that is only talked about in that guy's one book
 438 2011-05-26 03:07:05 <bitcoiinTrder> hi
 439 2011-05-26 03:07:15 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: so not a uni or you would have said so
 440 2011-05-26 03:07:19 <bitcoiinTrder> my client isnt downloading the blocks
 441 2011-05-26 03:07:20 <jrmithdobbs> and named it
 442 2011-05-26 03:07:21 <bitcoiinTrder> :(
 443 2011-05-26 03:07:24 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: no, I don't respect unis
 444 2011-05-26 03:07:29 <lfm> luke-jr do you have the link to the book handy? I lost it, but I found my program to calculate the right tables.
 445 2011-05-26 03:07:37 <luke-jr> lfm: look about 25 lines up
 446 2011-05-26 03:07:38 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: what kind of institution do you teach at?
 447 2011-05-26 03:07:39 <luke-jr> brb
 448 2011-05-26 03:07:39 <jlewis> additionally i don't see why you don't just use 0-9a-f like regular hex
 449 2011-05-26 03:07:43 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: homeschool
 450 2011-05-26 03:07:50 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: /lastlog google 1
 451 2011-05-26 03:07:55 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: he just pasted it
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 453 2011-05-26 03:08:22 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: are your clients mostly religious zealots/fanatics?
 454 2011-05-26 03:09:25 <jrmithdobbs> (trying to make your "metric hexadecimal is anti-christ" statements gel, whether you were kidding or actually serious is what I'm after ....)
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 456 2011-05-26 03:09:55 <jlewis> just gonna put this here http://dashjr.org/~luke-jr/education/tonal/calendar/
 457 2011-05-26 03:10:09 <jlewis> >_>
 458 2011-05-26 03:10:41 <jrmithdobbs> jlewis: question answered!
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 460 2011-05-26 03:11:10 <jlewis> yeaah
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 462 2011-05-26 03:11:26 <jrmithdobbs> i thought the comments were pretty funny until i now know they weren't jokes
 463 2011-05-26 03:11:30 <jrmithdobbs> :(
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 465 2011-05-26 03:13:37 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: my children
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 468 2011-05-26 03:14:50 <lfm> page 27, he is incorrect. the most of those tonal numbers have infinite number of digits also
 469 2011-05-26 03:14:59 <luke-jr> lfm: half != most
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 471 2011-05-26 03:15:48 <jrmithdobbs> 50% or 51%
 472 2011-05-26 03:15:56 <lfm> 1/4 luke
 473 2011-05-26 03:16:09 <lfm> 1/4 are finite
 474 2011-05-26 03:16:23 <lfm> ie 4 out of 16 are finite in truth
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 476 2011-05-26 03:18:26 <lfm> oh 5 out of 16 I miscounted 1.0
 477 2011-05-26 03:18:57 <lfm> so only 1, 2, 4, 8, and 16 are finite
 478 2011-05-26 03:20:03 <lfm> exactly the same ones that are finite in decimal
 479 2011-05-26 03:20:28 <luke-jr> uh no
 480 2011-05-26 03:20:34 <luke-jr> in decimal, only 1 and 10 are finite
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 482 2011-05-26 03:21:05 <lfm> log to the base 16?
 483 2011-05-26 03:21:12 <lfm> in decimal
 484 2011-05-26 03:21:13 <luke-jr> decimal isn't base 16
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 486 2011-05-26 03:22:51 <lfm> ya well if you calculate in decimal a log base 16 the same ones will be finite as the in tonal
 487 2011-05-26 03:23:24 johnnympereira5 has joined
 488 2011-05-26 03:23:35 <lfm> and it is a lot more than the 1 or 2 he claims
 489 2011-05-26 03:24:49 <lfm> ie any plcae he shows 2 digits, is reall an infinite sequence of digits
 490 2011-05-26 03:25:56 <lfm> in any case it is actually a minor error and forgivable due to his lack of computers to do it right.
 491 2011-05-26 03:27:05 <lfm> and that he was an engineer, not a mathemetician. a mathemetician might have figured it out with a proof that those numbers would be irrational
 492 2011-05-26 03:27:55 <luke-jr> 31% > 20%
 493 2011-05-26 03:28:23 <lfm> he claims 1 or 2 and the correct number is 11?!
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 497 2011-05-26 03:29:51 <lfm> sorry I read it wrong he claims 1 or 2 where the correct answer is 1 or infinity
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 499 2011-05-26 03:33:31 <lfm> oh I see you want to compare logs base 10 in base 10 to logs base 16 in base 16? thats you 20% vs 31% eh? why not logs base 10 in base 16 to logs base 16 in base 10? its a nonsensical argument
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 503 2011-05-26 03:36:23 <CIA-102> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r70f6c07da0f4 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/plugin.py: GPG: shorten challenge strings by 6 characters, to make 80-char terminals happy. http://tinyurl.com/3ek3pc9
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 505 2011-05-26 03:39:38 <lfm> or if you wanted a fair comparison you would use natural logs (log base e) where you would find no difference, they would all be irrational.
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 507 2011-05-26 03:40:18 <lfm> excpet 1.0 I spoze
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 510 2011-05-26 03:42:56 <Xenland> its probubly just my rig, but pushpool dosent work with the following: Local Sqlite3, Remote MySql, or Local MySql. I am able to connect all of these databases with ther native commandline. I've ran the "SELECT password FROM pool_worker USERNAME = xenland" and it came up with the password that i sent.
 511 2011-05-26 03:43:30 <Xenland> but still poclbm returns Wrong username or password. ugh piss
 512 2011-05-26 03:44:01 <Xenland> i'll pay $10 dwolla to anyone that can assist in helping me fix this
 513 2011-05-26 03:44:03 <soultcer> Maybe the password is encrypted?
 514 2011-05-26 03:44:05 <soultcer> Lemme take a look
 515 2011-05-26 03:44:09 <lfm> it may be some other error really with the wrong error message
 516 2011-05-26 03:44:35 <Xenland> lfm: I dont know what tho, i've scanned all neccesarry ports
 517 2011-05-26 03:44:49 <Xenland> all open
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 519 2011-05-26 03:46:23 <soultcer> What database do you use?
 520 2011-05-26 03:46:38 <Xenland> i tried MySql and Sqlite3 both different times
 521 2011-05-26 03:46:55 <Xenland> but i would like to use MySql
 522 2011-05-26 03:47:19 <Xenland> (better performance when i put up a web gui frontend)
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 524 2011-05-26 03:47:57 <soultcer> What is your stmt.pwdb set to?
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 527 2011-05-26 03:48:44 <Xenland> "stmt.pwdb" :"SELECT xenland_pushpool.password FROM pool_worker WHERE username = ?"
 528 2011-05-26 03:49:02 <Xenland> actually for the localhost one it was this "stmt.pwdb" :"SELECT password FROM pool_worker WHERE username = ?"
 529 2011-05-26 03:49:09 <doublec> does your username or password have a ':' in it?
 530 2011-05-26 03:49:30 <Xenland> doublec: no, should it?
 531 2011-05-26 03:49:38 <doublec> no it shouldn't
 532 2011-05-26 03:49:50 <Xenland> you had me worried for a second there
 533 2011-05-26 03:50:04 <Xenland> afk for a sec
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 538 2011-05-26 03:52:47 <Xenland> is this the wierdest thing or woot?
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 545 2011-05-26 04:02:03 <bobberb> What does is mean when "this transaction is over the size limit"
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 548 2011-05-26 04:04:01 <bobberb> What does is mean when "this transaction is over the size limit"
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 550 2011-05-26 04:04:41 <noagendamarket> you need to pay a fee
 551 2011-05-26 04:04:56 <noagendamarket> bitcoin transactions have a size limit
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 564 2011-05-26 04:14:49 <justend> your poclbm how to set? your pushpool used 8337 port?
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 583 2011-05-26 04:21:22 <CIA-102> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r595ee3e5a335 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/plugin.py: GPG: shorten the message yet more, since a rogue newline still happens when string is exactly 80chr on win. http://tinyurl.com/3qef4ea
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 594 2011-05-26 04:31:54 <tri5870s> anyone know how to fix the verification failed error?
 595 2011-05-26 04:32:34 <jgarzik> tri5870s: -v
 596 2011-05-26 04:33:56 <tri5870s> jgarzik: I'm already using -v
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 601 2011-05-26 04:38:49 <gjs278> turn off crossfire
 602 2011-05-26 04:38:53 <gjs278> redo aticonfig --initial
 603 2011-05-26 04:39:18 <gjs278> plug a monitor into the cards
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 605 2011-05-26 04:40:54 <tri5870s> gjs278: I'm not using crossfire, I'm using dummy plugs with windows 7
 606 2011-05-26 04:41:17 <gjs278> thats all I've got
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 608 2011-05-26 04:41:35 <tri5870s> Is it possible to do redo aticonifg --initial with windows 7 guiminer?
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 610 2011-05-26 04:41:51 <gjs278> no
 611 2011-05-26 04:41:57 <gjs278> that's linux only issue
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 613 2011-05-26 04:42:55 <tri5870s> isnt there a patch or script that restarts guiminer every 30 min?
 614 2011-05-26 04:43:42 <tri5870s> i know its not ideal but its better than getting stuck
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 621 2011-05-26 04:51:10 <Ratt> blkmond doesn't seem to be notifying pushpoold of new blocks.  How can I go about figuring out why that would be?
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 623 2011-05-26 04:51:51 <jrmithdobbs> Ratt: make sure long polling is enabled in the config of pushpool and make sure the path to pushpool's pid file matchies in both the pushpool config and blkmond config
 624 2011-05-26 04:52:09 <jrmithdobbs> Ratt: then make sure pushpool and blkmond are talking to the same bitcoind with the correct rpc user/pass
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 627 2011-05-26 04:52:50 <Ratt> Is there a config variable for blkmond to set the password?  It's not in the example file?
 628 2011-05-26 04:54:22 <jrmithdobbs> my bad, blkmond watches on the bitcoin network connection
 629 2011-05-26 04:54:27 <jrmithdobbs> not rpc
 630 2011-05-26 04:54:42 <jrmithdobbs> the rest of that is valid though
 631 2011-05-26 04:55:04 <Ratt> It all seems to be set properly... but blkmond just sits there doing nothing and I can't figure out why.
 632 2011-05-26 04:55:11 <jrmithdobbs> Ratt: blkmond should be connecting to 8333 NOT 8332
 633 2011-05-26 04:55:44 <Ratt> 8333 is which port?  I've moved bitcoind off of port 8332
 634 2011-05-26 04:55:46 <jrmithdobbs> well ya, it doesn't do anything until a new block is seen fro bitcoind
 635 2011-05-26 04:55:56 <jrmithdobbs> Ratt: the p2p port not the rpc port
 636 2011-05-26 04:56:25 <jrmithdobbs> and why
 637 2011-05-26 04:56:57 <Ratt> Well, I was looking at putting pushpool on bitcoinds port.  No particular specific reason.
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 639 2011-05-26 04:57:18 <jrmithdobbs> i wouldn't move the p2p port off of 8333
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 641 2011-05-26 04:58:59 <Ratt> I haven't explicitly configured any other port than rpcport= in the bitcoin.conf file
 642 2011-05-26 04:59:58 <jrmithdobbs> well then make sure you're telling blkmond to connect to 8333
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 644 2011-05-26 05:02:03 <Ratt> Hmm, port 8333 isn't open.
 645 2011-05-26 05:02:29 <jrmithdobbs> how are you starting bitcoind?
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 647 2011-05-26 05:02:56 <Ratt> at the moment just ./bitcoind -testnet with ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf as the config file I'm assuming.
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 649 2011-05-26 05:04:39 <jrmithdobbs> so besides rpcusername/rpcpassword/rpcport what are you putting in bitcoin.conf?
 650 2011-05-26 05:05:06 <jrmithdobbs> and rpcallowip
 651 2011-05-26 05:05:46 <jrmithdobbs> and does getinfo tell you you actually have any connections?
 652 2011-05-26 05:06:08 <Ratt> I have only, server=1, rpcuser, rpcpassword and rpctimeout=3 in the bitcoin.conf file
 653 2011-05-26 05:06:17 <Ratt> s/3/30/g
 654 2011-05-26 05:06:29 <jrmithdobbs> no "nolisten"
 655 2011-05-26 05:06:35 <Ratt> No
 656 2011-05-26 05:06:36 <jrmithdobbs> right?
 657 2011-05-26 05:06:48 <jrmithdobbs> so does getinfo actually tell you you have connections?
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 660 2011-05-26 05:09:29 <Ratt> Yeah, 9.  Just restarted the server
 661 2011-05-26 05:10:56 <Ratt> Is testnet p2p on 18333?
 662 2011-05-26 05:11:34 <Ratt> Yeah... I'm thinking that's the problem.
 663 2011-05-26 05:11:44 <jrmithdobbs> ah
 664 2011-05-26 05:11:51 <jrmithdobbs> ya that'll do it
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 666 2011-05-26 05:13:47 <Ratt> It sure is taking me a lot longer to generate a block on testnet than it should, according to the difficulty.  at 1 GH/s i should genete about a block a minute, but it's taking much longer.
 667 2011-05-26 05:14:36 <Ratt> Sigh... blkmond closed for no reason now.
 668 2011-05-26 05:16:30 <Ratt> When I start blkmond pointed at port 18883, in the bitcoind debug.log file, I get this: PROCESSMESSAGE MESSAGESTART NOT FOUND
 669 2011-05-26 05:16:53 <Ratt> About 60 seconds later blkmond exits
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 672 2011-05-26 05:25:04 <Ratt> So should blkmond be pointed at 8332 or 8333?
 673 2011-05-26 05:25:31 <jeremid> blkmaestro
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 676 2011-05-26 05:29:44 <sacarlson> with bitcointd getinfo   the line  "balance" : 0.21950000,  is the total of all account correct?
 677 2011-05-26 05:30:20 <Ratt> Yes
 678 2011-05-26 05:31:19 <sacarlson> Ratt: so with bitcoind listaccounts  how is it posible to have negitive accouts?  "107" : -5.00000000,
 679 2011-05-26 05:32:06 <Ratt> I forget the reason that comes up... others have asked that though and there is an answer.
 680 2011-05-26 05:32:08 <jgarzik> sacarlson: one account is +50 BTC, another account is -50 BTC
 681 2011-05-26 05:32:25 <sacarlson> jgarzik: yes
 682 2011-05-26 05:32:34 <jgarzik> sacarlson: it is easy to create by using 'sendtoaddress' rather than 'sendfrom' as is proper with accounts
 683 2011-05-26 05:32:47 <jgarzik> sacarlson: mixing the two easily created negative balances
 684 2011-05-26 05:32:50 <sacarlson> oh no there is just one -50
 685 2011-05-26 05:34:21 <Ratt> jgarzik: Does blkmond work properly on testnet?
 686 2011-05-26 05:34:47 <jgarzik> Ratt: dunno
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 688 2011-05-26 05:35:19 <Ratt> It is suppose to connect to 8332 or 8333?
 689 2011-05-26 05:35:22 <sacarlson> jgarzik: so you can sendtoaddress a negitive number?
 690 2011-05-26 05:36:16 <jgarzik> sacarlson: no.  my point was that using sendtoaddress just picks random coins from random accounts, because the interface does not support accounts
 691 2011-05-26 05:36:57 <sacarlson> jgarzik: oh ok I think I get it
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 693 2011-05-26 05:38:02 <sacarlson> jgarzik: not that it make any difference since the accounts are kept in mysql but I'll change the sendtoaddress to a sendfrom just to make it clear when I check activity
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 697 2011-05-26 05:45:21 <_Maru_> sooo .... I got my radeon 5770 and i'm trying to install it on linux but i'm getting
 698 2011-05-26 05:45:22 <_Maru_> pyopencl.LogicError: clGetPlatformIDs failed: invalid/unknown error code
 699 2011-05-26 05:45:24 <_Maru_> any ideas?
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 704 2011-05-26 05:49:49 <jgarzik> _Maru_: install icd?
 705 2011-05-26 05:50:21 <jgarzik> _Maru_: ran aticonfig --initial?  rebooted after all that is done?  X server running?
 706 2011-05-26 05:51:06 <_Maru_> whats icd?
 707 2011-05-26 05:51:15 <_Maru_> i did do aticonfig and rebooot
 708 2011-05-26 05:51:40 <jgarzik> _Maru_: http://developer.amd.com/Downloads/icd-registration.tgz
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 710 2011-05-26 05:51:44 <jgarzik> _Maru_: untar into /
 711 2011-05-26 05:51:47 <jgarzik> as root
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 713 2011-05-26 05:55:09 <sacarlson> jgarzik: cool I figured it out I had a 50 TNBTC deposit that ended up getting zero confirms and since my setting are that it deposits at 1 confirm I get a negitive or zero balance
 714 2011-05-26 05:55:57 <sacarlson> jgarzik: I've since had other deposits after the 50 tnbtc that have cleared
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 719 2011-05-26 05:59:23 <Xenland> Soo ehh... Whats blkmond do?
 720 2011-05-26 05:59:40 <Xenland> for pushpool
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 723 2011-05-26 06:01:40 <sacarlson> nope I havn't figured it out ignore last post
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 725 2011-05-26 06:03:00 <sacarlson> it seems the total deposits of incoming transactions don't total the end ballance as there are no withdraws and a total of 60 tnbtc deposits there seems there should be a positive ballance
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 727 2011-05-26 06:04:40 <sacarlson> maybe my moving the transactions from one account to another before confirmation make bitcoin deposit not get deposited?  must be some major bug in my software
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 730 2011-05-26 06:06:21 <sacarlson> thank god it's fake money
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 733 2011-05-26 06:12:35 <Xenland> Why is it that pushpool only lets me connect with my bitcoind conf file
 734 2011-05-26 06:13:04 <Xenland> Heres a better question what port does pushpool listen on?
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 738 2011-05-26 06:16:48 <bytepimp> Added a new Bitcoin desktop wallpaper... http://carbonism.deviantart.com/#/d3h8rh4  enjoy!
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 740 2011-05-26 06:17:36 <diki> ;;bc,calc 427514
 741 2011-05-26 06:17:38 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 427514 Khps, given current difficulty of 244139.48158254 , is 4 weeks, 0 days, 9 hours, 18 minutes, and 37 seconds
 742 2011-05-26 06:17:45 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 427514
 743 2011-05-26 06:17:46 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
 744 2011-05-26 06:18:18 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 270000 427514
 745 2011-05-26 06:18:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 270000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 427514, is 11 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 3 minutes, and 7 seconds
 746 2011-05-26 06:18:29 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 535000 427514
 747 2011-05-26 06:18:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 535000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 427514, is 5 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 12 seconds
 748 2011-05-26 06:18:49 <diki> This is going to get very ugly...
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 752 2011-05-26 06:20:15 <diki> ;;bc,stats
 753 2011-05-26 06:20:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126841 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 166 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 13 hours, 30 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 427514.25853632
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 758 2011-05-26 06:23:09 <Xenland> Why would pushpool report that clients are connecting but poclbm reports "Problems communicating with Bitcoin RPC
 759 2011-05-26 06:23:44 <Xenland> ;;bc,calcd 800000
 760 2011-05-26 06:23:44 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
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 763 2011-05-26 06:24:19 <Xenland> ;;bc,calcd 800000 444000
 764 2011-05-26 06:24:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 800000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 444000, is 3 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 8 minutes, and 26 seconds
 765 2011-05-26 06:25:12 <darbsllim> yowzers
 766 2011-05-26 06:29:16 <Xenland> Yes! after litterally 18hours of getting pushpool to work i think i can finally make a front-end for everybody to enjoy. thanks for everyones efforts in assisting me in assisting everyone.
 767 2011-05-26 06:29:31 <Xenland> Back to the lab
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 775 2011-05-26 06:38:36 <sacarlson> why would you have a minconf option for bitcoind sendfrom <fromaccount> <bitcoinaddress> <amount> <minconf>  what does minconf function as when you are sending money?
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 786 2011-05-26 06:48:50 <sacarlson> does any one have 50 tnBTC (testnet) or any amount would do that can be sent me at mj4SEumw4M8nianfBDT84zuEzQHmydR9TQ  seems faucet is backed up with request
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 789 2011-05-26 06:51:43 <diki> I sent 250btc to testnet faucet
 790 2011-05-26 06:51:54 <diki> seems they were all used up
 791 2011-05-26 06:53:20 <sacarlson> diki: oh thanks man
 792 2011-05-26 06:55:16 <_Maru_> jgarzik: what do you do after you extract it to etc?
 793 2011-05-26 06:57:15 <diki> @Maru: extract what?
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 806 2011-05-26 07:22:21 <diki> why doesnt mtgox allow you to see offers/requests if you dont have any funds on the site?
 807 2011-05-26 07:23:35 <jrmithdobbs> since when
 808 2011-05-26 07:23:54 <jrmithdobbs> wait, did you modify the firefox source of the browser you're using?
 809 2011-05-26 07:23:54 <io_error> Works fine for me.
 810 2011-05-26 07:24:03 <jrmithdobbs> got to start at the basic troubleshooting steps here with diki.
 811 2011-05-26 07:24:03 <io_error> Don't even need to be logged in.
 812 2011-05-26 07:24:22 <jrmithdobbs> diki: maybe cut and paste around a bit of the javascript engine?
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 847 2011-05-26 08:08:23 <tippenein> any reason my bitcoin client won't connect?  I checked the bitcoin.conf file and restarted a few times.  running it on linux
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 849 2011-05-26 08:12:42 <stuhood> tippenein: i got into a similar place the other day… ended up deleting ~/.bitcoin/addr.dat and starting fresh
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 851 2011-05-26 08:13:14 <stuhood> …address wise
 852 2011-05-26 08:13:29 <tippenein> i didn't delete anything, so that shouldn't be it
 853 2011-05-26 08:13:56 <ArtForz> -addnode one of the fallback nodes
 854 2011-05-26 08:15:02 <ArtForz> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_nodes
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 856 2011-05-26 08:15:24 <sacarlson> still seems to be no activity from the testnet faucet  anyone with 0.10 tnBTC laying around? mj4SEumw4M8nianfBDT84zuEzQHmydR9TQ
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 859 2011-05-26 08:15:51 <io_error> sacarlson: Didn't we go through this once before?
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 861 2011-05-26 08:16:11 <jaromil> io_error: are u j?
 862 2011-05-26 08:16:17 <jaromil> gmoin everyone
 863 2011-05-26 08:16:18 <io_error> /facepalm
 864 2011-05-26 08:16:20 <sacarlson> io_error: yes and I'm still pending in the faucet
 865 2011-05-26 08:16:53 <io_error> sacarlson: It wants a fee to send you 0.10 :P
 866 2011-05-26 08:17:37 <io_error> sacarlson: Probably all the faucet transactions are going to sit and wait for some miner to pick them up
 867 2011-05-26 08:17:55 <sacarlson> io_error: a fee? for testnet faucet?
 868 2011-05-26 08:18:14 <io_error> sacarlson: It's those stupid new fee rules
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 870 2011-05-26 08:18:59 <sacarlson> io_error: so I have the new version running it should be set to minimum .0005 then
 871 2011-05-26 08:19:08 <io_error> sacarlson: You run the faucet?
 872 2011-05-26 08:19:32 <sacarlson> io_error: no I thought the fee came from the reciever
 873 2011-05-26 08:19:36 <nzbitminerKIWI> Hey, I am new here. I have a few computers running with dual 6990HD's..
 874 2011-05-26 08:19:38 <io_error> No, sender pays the fee
 875 2011-05-26 08:19:42 <tippenein> hmmm... so I had to port forward 8333 to get it to connect
 876 2011-05-26 08:19:46 <tippenein> that's new
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 878 2011-05-26 08:19:49 <stuhood> tippenein: i was suggesting that you try deleting your addr.dat: but listen to ArtForz, not me
 879 2011-05-26 08:20:01 <io_error> tippenein: Just as well, yiou'll get better connectivity that way
 880 2011-05-26 08:20:13 <nzbitminerKIWI> for one particular computer (not others on the network) they constantly go idle maybe like 1/3 of the time, theyre saying "job finished. warning idle", any suggestions? I can answer questions :) ty for help
 881 2011-05-26 08:20:40 <nzbitminerKIWI> on average they're performing about 50% as well as other workers with identicle cards
 882 2011-05-26 08:20:40 <io_error> It's past 4 am here, so someone please remind me, isn't tehre a channel for mining?
 883 2011-05-26 08:20:47 <nzbitminerKIWI> sorry I am new here
 884 2011-05-26 08:21:01 <io_error> <-- should be in bed
 885 2011-05-26 08:21:23 <io_error> ah, yes there is #bitcoin-mining
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 888 2011-05-26 08:22:25 <io_error> sacarlson: Sent you 0.10 testnet, gawd knows when it'll ever confirm
 889 2011-05-26 08:22:49 <sacarlson> io_error: cool I got it thanks
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 891 2011-05-26 08:24:20 <io_error> Oh look, somebody's mining on the tetnet
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 895 2011-05-26 08:26:45 <gjs278> what's the website to see bitcoin transactions waiting to be processed
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 897 2011-05-26 08:28:12 <ArtForz> http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/ ?
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 903 2011-05-26 08:40:10 <gjs278> that would be it
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 908 2011-05-26 08:49:39 <sacarlson> can a bitcoind account be deleted?
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 910 2011-05-26 08:50:13 <sipa> no
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 914 2011-05-26 08:52:46 <sacarlson> sipa: I know an address can't be deleted but an account?
 915 2011-05-26 08:53:57 <sipa> oh, accounts - sorry, yes
 916 2011-05-26 08:54:09 <sipa> not sure if it's implemented, but there's no problem technically
 917 2011-05-26 08:54:10 <sacarlson> sipa what command is used to delete them?
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 919 2011-05-26 08:54:40 <sacarlson> sipa: do I have to delete the db files just to delete the accounts?
 920 2011-05-26 08:55:23 <sacarlson> in bitcoind
 921 2011-05-26 08:55:31 <sipa> i don't think there is another way currently
 922 2011-05-26 08:56:00 <sacarlson> sipa: ok it's an all or none deal I guess I will live with that
 923 2011-05-26 08:58:23 <rli> ;;bc,stats
 924 2011-05-26 08:58:24 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126872 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 135 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 10 hours, 52 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 428412.11707102
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 928 2011-05-26 09:01:49 <hybriz_> wow. dificulty was increasing in 2weeks now its hours lol
 929 2011-05-26 09:02:04 <hybriz_> ;;bc,stats
 930 2011-05-26 09:02:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126874 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 133 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 10 hours, 45 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 428493.09265899
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 932 2011-05-26 09:03:03 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
 933 2011-05-26 09:03:04 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.33,"low":7.241,"vol":68521,"buy":8.2011,"sell":8.21,"last":8.2011}}
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 935 2011-05-26 09:05:55 <stuhood> is anyone in here familiar with berkeley db?
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 937 2011-05-26 09:07:12 <stuhood> it looks like the only way to disable fsync is "db_env"ironment wide
 938 2011-05-26 09:07:17 <stuhood> which i assume would not fly
 939 2011-05-26 09:08:41 <stuhood> without splitting the environments
 940 2011-05-26 09:10:32 <eps1> ;;bc,stats
 941 2011-05-26 09:10:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126876 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 131 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 10 hours, 35 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 428512.29754599
 942 2011-05-26 09:10:37 <Alexees> can someone help me, on my gpu1 i got 300MH/s , on gpu2 only 10MH/s im using 5970
 943 2011-05-26 09:10:38 <eps1> ;;bc,mtgox
 944 2011-05-26 09:10:39 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.33,"low":7.241,"vol":68528,"buy":8.22,"sell":8.29,"last":8.22}}
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 948 2011-05-26 09:15:49 <gjs278> Alexees disable the crossfire
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 950 2011-05-26 09:16:40 <gjs278> if you're on linux, redo aticonfig --initial. if you're on windows, no idea
 951 2011-05-26 09:17:22 <Alexees> im on windows =(
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 958 2011-05-26 09:29:25 <jindel> how is the next target agreed upon?  -is it picked (no more than a factor of 4 difference) by the node that solved the last block before the scheduled difficulty change?
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 960 2011-05-26 09:31:01 <sacarlson> i guess in the future to delete my -testnet accounts I should all the .bitcoin files excep the wallet.dat and the blkindex.dat file so I don't have to download all the block data again
 961 2011-05-26 09:31:28 <sacarlson> delete all but wallet.dat and blkindex.dat
 962 2011-05-26 09:32:06 <sacarlson> I forgot how long that takes
 963 2011-05-26 09:32:29 <sipa> jindel: it is calculated by each node separately
 964 2011-05-26 09:32:54 <sipa> jindel: and since they all start from exactly the same data (the block chain), they all end up with exactly the same result
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 978 2011-05-26 09:47:59 <FellowTraveler> hi all.
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 981 2011-05-26 09:49:44 <jaromil> FellowTraveler: hey man, tell us the good news :)
 982 2011-05-26 09:50:38 <FellowTraveler> The good news is, we all have human rights.
 983 2011-05-26 09:51:34 <sipa> and the bad news?
 984 2011-05-26 09:52:17 <justend> www.mtgox.com down...
 985 2011-05-26 09:52:26 <Namegduf> The people with guns don't seem to care.
 986 2011-05-26 09:52:30 <Namegduf> Oh, that is bad news.
 987 2011-05-26 09:52:49 <Namegduf> ...hmm, no, it's not down.
 988 2011-05-26 09:53:27 <justend> not down? ddos?
 989 2011-05-26 09:53:39 <Namegduf> Working fine here.
 990 2011-05-26 09:53:44 <ArtForz> works fine here
 991 2011-05-26 09:53:46 <tcatm> justend: try https://mtgox.com
 992 2011-05-26 09:54:29 <justend> ... error page 205 (net::ERR_CERT_UNABLE_TO_CHECK_REVOCATION)：
 993 2011-05-26 09:54:55 <UukGoblin> FellowTraveler, not if someone's a suspected terrorist... then they don't
 994 2011-05-26 09:54:59 <Namegduf> That error means your browser is trying to check whether the SSL cert is revoked
 995 2011-05-26 09:55:15 <Namegduf> But can't connect to the SSL revocation-handling server
 996 2011-05-26 09:55:22 <Namegduf> The problem is between it and that.
 997 2011-05-26 09:55:27 <Namegduf> Are you on a restricted network?
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 999 2011-05-26 09:56:44 <justend> i clone chromium then open ie .....works fine now  -_-
1000 2011-05-26 09:58:35 <Namegduf> Your Chromium setup is probably broken somehow.
1001 2011-05-26 09:58:48 <Namegduf> Unfortunately I can't give any better advice.
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1004 2011-05-26 10:01:53 <justend> i will try fix it .thanks anyway
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1012 2011-05-26 10:16:34 <Ameoba_> Hi, I just downloaded the linux client for bitcoin, but it doesn't appear with the GUI like i'm expecting. Can someone lend me a hand getting started?
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1017 2011-05-26 10:22:17 <asyn_> Ameoba_: current client has some problems with ubuntu 11.04.
1018 2011-05-26 10:23:11 <Alexees> anyone know how to disable crossfire on radeon 5970 + win xp ?
1019 2011-05-26 10:23:22 <asyn_> Ameoba_: see http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=6299.0 for a solution
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1026 2011-05-26 10:51:14 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sipa tcatm ping
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1028 2011-05-26 10:52:29 <tcatm> BlueMatt: pong
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1030 2011-05-26 10:53:18 <BlueMatt> tcatm: just wondered if there were enough people on to discuss the fee issue
1031 2011-05-26 10:54:12 <tcatm> k
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1037 2011-05-26 10:56:24 <devon_hillard> how many GPU operations does it take to compute a hash? 5K?
1038 2011-05-26 10:56:46 <devon_hillard> if so, this puts the bitcoin network at somewhere near 20 petaflops
1039 2011-05-26 10:57:03 <sipa> BlueMatt: i'm here
1040 2011-05-26 10:57:25 <tcatm> devon_hillard: we're at ~50 petaflops
1041 2011-05-26 10:57:26 <BlueMatt> well I suppose thats enough to get it going...maybe jgarzik will read his scrollback
1042 2011-05-26 10:57:30 <ArtForz> tcatm: sure?
1043 2011-05-26 10:57:38 <sipa> devon_hillard: computing a hash does not require any flop, so there is no meaningful definition of petaflops here
1044 2011-05-26 10:57:42 <devon_hillard> well, peta-ops, no floating point
1045 2011-05-26 10:57:51 <tcatm> ArtForz: according to the factor you posted in the forum
1046 2011-05-26 10:58:04 <ArtForz> sipa: assume ati gpus, 1 intop = 2 SP FLOPs
1047 2011-05-26 10:58:20 <ArtForz> for DP it gets kinda iffy
1048 2011-05-26 10:58:32 <ArtForz> as only 58xx/59xx and 69xx have DP support at all
1049 2011-05-26 10:58:51 <sipa> yes, you can estimate how many SP flops the bitcoin network could do, if they all switched from mining to a floating-point based distributed computing project
1050 2011-05-26 10:58:52 <ArtForz> so you have to pull a % of lower-end cards out of your ass
1051 2011-05-26 10:59:06 <sipa> but i mean: saying how many petaflop/s the bitcoin network does: zero
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1053 2011-05-26 10:59:11 <ArtForz> true
1054 2011-05-26 10:59:22 <ArtForz> but plenty of INTOPS ;)
1055 2011-05-26 10:59:30 <devon_hillard> so bitcoin is larger than the next 3-4 largest (public) distributed computing projects?
1056 2011-05-26 10:59:35 <devon_hillard> put together
1057 2011-05-26 10:59:48 <ArtForz> roughly... yep.
1058 2011-05-26 10:59:53 <BlueMatt> either way: Im in favor of some odd combination of 2+3.  Use 0.0005 for relaying/mining, but 0.01 in outputs to send via gui, but also <0.01 txouts are still supposed to be charged fees, even though those can be 0.0005
1059 2011-05-26 11:00:10 <BlueMatt> (if Im interpreting 2+3 correct)
1060 2011-05-26 11:00:43 <ArtForz> exponential growth is awesome
1061 2011-05-26 11:00:59 <sipa> and economic incentive works pretty nice too
1062 2011-05-26 11:01:01 <tcatm> BlueMatt: 2+3? is there a forum thread with possible options?
1063 2011-05-26 11:01:07 <sipa> tcatm: see my mail
1064 2011-05-26 11:01:08 <BlueMatt> tcatm: email
1065 2011-05-26 11:01:31 <devon_hillard> folding@home is 7petaflops and BOINC (which includes seti@home) another 5.5
1066 2011-05-26 11:01:49 <ArtForz> but iirc for F@H that's DP FLOPS
1067 2011-05-26 11:02:09 <sipa> to summarize: 1) switch to 0.0005 immediately 2) switch to 0.0005 for everything except created transactions with subcent outputs (they still need 0.01 fee) 3) do 0.01 for all creations but allow 0.0005 to be relayed/mined
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1069 2011-05-26 11:03:03 <ArtForz> 3 is the safest option
1070 2011-05-26 11:03:06 <BlueMatt> sipa: wouldnt 2 cause the same issues as 1, in that txes with size >1kb wouldnt get relayed?
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1072 2011-05-26 11:03:31 <ArtForz> yep
1073 2011-05-26 11:03:33 <BlueMatt> Im in favor of 3, keeping in mind that subcent txouts are still not to be accepted without fees
1074 2011-05-26 11:03:33 <tcatm> I'd vote for 3 and switch to 0.0005 fees once most parts of the network allow smaller fees
1075 2011-05-26 11:03:50 <ArtForz> thats the basic plan
1076 2011-05-26 11:03:51 <sipa> BlueMatt: no, because the only relay-rule is that subcent-outputs *must* have a 0.01 fee
1077 2011-05-26 11:03:54 <BlueMatt> (that seemed unclear in the email)
1078 2011-05-26 11:04:06 <ArtForz> sipa: u sure?
1079 2011-05-26 11:04:07 <sipa> for all other places it just changes priority (iirc)
1080 2011-05-26 11:04:11 <BlueMatt> sipa: really, I thought relay also applied to kb size
1081 2011-05-26 11:04:15 <sipa> hmmm
1082 2011-05-26 11:04:20 <ArtForz> I'm pretty sure for forwarding also size/fee are checked
1083 2011-05-26 11:04:21 <BlueMatt> but I could be very wrong
1084 2011-05-26 11:04:23 <sipa> in that case, 3 is safest indeed
1085 2011-05-26 11:04:32 <BlueMatt> needs checking
1086 2011-05-26 11:04:49 <sipa> let's wait for gavin's opinion
1087 2011-05-26 11:05:40 <BlueMatt> also, I installed this cppcheck tool and it doesnt show any of the errors this guy posted, except for the one in util.cpp, for which there is a pull req
1088 2011-05-26 11:10:39 <SerajewelKS> wtf, all my testnet blocks orphaned again
1089 2011-05-26 11:10:51 <BlueMatt> ha, someone doesnt like you
1090 2011-05-26 11:11:22 <SerajewelKS> someone doesn't like testnet
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1092 2011-05-26 11:14:28 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
1093 2011-05-26 11:14:30 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126919 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 88 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 56 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 433297.26797206
1094 2011-05-26 11:16:09 <SerajewelKS> does blockexplorer mark orphaned blocks?
1095 2011-05-26 11:16:22 <BlueMatt> just removes them and moves on
1096 2011-05-26 11:16:25 <SerajewelKS> or do they just not show up anymore if i enter their ID?
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1098 2011-05-26 11:17:30 <SerajewelKS> because according to blockexplorer, my blocks are not orphaned
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1100 2011-05-26 11:17:52 <SerajewelKS> why does my client think they are
1101 2011-05-26 11:17:52 <BlueMatt> then I suppose it just moves on and doesnt mark them
1102 2011-05-26 11:19:01 <SerajewelKS> no, this is wrong.  something is messed up.
1103 2011-05-26 11:19:24 <SerajewelKS> i have a generation txn 18a59078f012daf27650a13eb440fd76700c5474991b57878344593ef5751f2e
1104 2011-05-26 11:19:39 <SerajewelKS> according to blockexplorer this was in block 20682
1105 2011-05-26 11:19:50 <SerajewelKS> if i go back to the home page and search for block 20682, i see my transaction
1106 2011-05-26 11:20:17 <SerajewelKS> and i am peered with blockexplorer
1107 2011-05-26 11:20:46 <SerajewelKS> blockexplorer and my client agree on the number of blocks
1108 2011-05-26 11:20:56 <SerajewelKS> i can't explain this
1109 2011-05-26 11:21:23 * SerajewelKS tries -rescan
1110 2011-05-26 11:21:47 <SerajewelKS> still "orphan"... this smells like a bug
1111 2011-05-26 11:21:57 <sipa> rescan doesn't change the block database
1112 2011-05-26 11:22:03 <SerajewelKS> i know
1113 2011-05-26 11:22:04 <sipa> only finds missing wallet transactions
1114 2011-05-26 11:22:09 <BlueMatt> use bitcointools to check the chain
1115 2011-05-26 11:22:15 <SerajewelKS> but blockexplorer doesn't think my transaction is orphaned
1116 2011-05-26 11:22:22 <sipa> BBE may be wrong :)
1117 2011-05-26 11:22:34 <SerajewelKS> i am peered with BBE and my client agrees with it on the number of blocks
1118 2011-05-26 11:22:46 <sipa> still, BBE may be wrong
1119 2011-05-26 11:22:51 <ArtForz> BBE is wrong
1120 2011-05-26 11:22:58 <SerajewelKS> O_o
1121 2011-05-26 11:23:27 <sipa> ArtForz, BlueMatt: you're right, large transactions require a fee for relaying as well
1122 2011-05-26 11:23:31 <ArtForz> last reorg made it completely crap itself
1123 2011-05-26 11:23:49 <ArtForz> now it shows a weird mix of blocks from the prevbious and current longest chain
1124 2011-05-26 11:24:05 <BlueMatt> sipa: so then everyone here agrees on #3?
1125 2011-05-26 11:24:10 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: tcatm ?
1126 2011-05-26 11:24:17 <SerajewelKS> ArtForz: huh.  maybe someone should tell jgarzik.
1127 2011-05-26 11:24:25 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: yup
1128 2011-05-26 11:24:31 <ArtForz> SerajewelKS: he knows it
1129 2011-05-26 11:24:33 <BlueMatt> SerajewelKS: BBE is theymos
1130 2011-05-26 11:24:39 <SerajewelKS> oh, right
1131 2011-05-26 11:24:46 <ArtForz> blockexplorer doesnt deal with reorgs nicely without manual intervention
1132 2011-05-26 11:25:01 <BlueMatt> though I thought he said yesterday that it had been upgrade (the testnet part, not mainnet) to work properly
1133 2011-05-26 11:25:25 <ArtForz> doesnt look like it
1134 2011-05-26 11:26:56 <sipa> BlueMatt: there's still another combination possible - use new minfee for creation, but still check it with GetMinFee using the old minfee
1135 2011-05-26 11:27:10 <sipa> though there is hardly a difference
1136 2011-05-26 11:27:14 <ArtForz> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/0000000000781783d58ff3d6315688db39c42bf8abd7192bf2bc98c258e077e2
1137 2011-05-26 11:27:23 <ArtForz> previous block -> no such block
1138 2011-05-26 11:27:26 <sipa> except for people who manually enable a fee
1139 2011-05-26 11:27:41 <sipa> so, i guess #3 is the way to go
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1141 2011-05-26 11:30:57 <BlueMatt> sipa: for a release in rc, Id say kiss all the way...#3 seems to solve it and its simple as possible IMHO
1142 2011-05-26 11:31:09 <BlueMatt> for 0.4.0 the ui needs overhauled anyway
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1145 2011-05-26 11:37:11 <sipa> not only the gui
1146 2011-05-26 11:37:29 <BlueMatt> well a ton of stuff...
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1150 2011-05-26 11:40:07 <sacarlson> what file in .bitcoin dir contains the blocks that are downloaded on the first time run?  is it blkindex.dat or blk0001.dat
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1152 2011-05-26 11:41:01 <BlueMatt> both
1153 2011-05-26 11:41:04 <BlueMatt> one is an index
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1155 2011-05-26 11:42:25 <sacarlson> BlueMatt so I can't just copy one of them I need them both ok
1156 2011-05-26 11:42:38 <BlueMatt> y
1157 2011-05-26 11:42:43 <BlueMatt> es
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1159 2011-05-26 11:49:25 <BlueMatt> lfm: ping
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1161 2011-05-26 11:54:10 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
1162 2011-05-26 11:54:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126925 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 82 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 433528.25460588
1163 2011-05-26 12:00:34 <BlueMatt> is there a way to give me access to tag bugs on github without commit access?
1164 2011-05-26 12:00:44 <BlueMatt> tag, close and the like
1165 2011-05-26 12:01:01 <BlueMatt> this bug list needs serious spring cleaning
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1170 2011-05-26 12:11:23 <sacarlson> seems confirms are coming in quick on testnet now like 3 in one minit
1171 2011-05-26 12:11:49 <sacarlson> maybe I'm just getting older and times moving faster?
1172 2011-05-26 12:12:32 <FunkyPenguin> hi if possible could someone advise on how to fix a packaging issue please?
1173 2011-05-26 12:13:26 <FunkyPenguin> im trying to package bitcoin for openSUSE, atm im getting http://paste.opensuse.org/32446658
1174 2011-05-26 12:13:50 <BlueMatt> FunkyPenguin: cd src first
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1176 2011-05-26 12:19:39 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: someone is mining testnet really fast it seems and causing reorgs a lot
1177 2011-05-26 12:20:09 <sacarlson> reorgs?
1178 2011-05-26 12:20:27 <SerajewelKS> forking the block chain, causing the network to have to decide on one
1179 2011-05-26 12:21:00 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: oh maybe that's the problem I had in my exchange then that has ended up with negitive numbers
1180 2011-05-26 12:21:12 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: probably
1181 2011-05-26 12:21:36 <FunkyPenguin> BlueMatt: the issue is there is nothing in src/obj
1182 2011-05-26 12:21:43 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: I'm still not sure at this point if I have a bug or what
1183 2011-05-26 12:21:58 <BlueMatt> FunkyPenguin: no the issue is you arent cd'd to src
1184 2011-05-26 12:22:08 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: someone probably traded generated coins that were later orphaned
1185 2011-05-26 12:22:15 <BlueMatt> make will put something in obj/ not src/obj
1186 2011-05-26 12:22:19 <da2ce7> SerajewelKS, if you want I can join the testnet with tor... that will create some rorgs
1187 2011-05-26 12:22:23 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: i mined 1100 bitcoins on testnet one weekend and a reorg later caused them all to go away
1188 2011-05-26 12:22:42 <SerajewelKS> da2ce7: someone else is causing enough reorgs already, thanks
1189 2011-05-26 12:22:59 <da2ce7> good testing :)
1190 2011-05-26 12:23:01 <SerajewelKS> like 200+ block reorgs
1191 2011-05-26 12:23:10 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: so that's what happens when you have an underpowered network?
1192 2011-05-26 12:23:17 <SerajewelKS> it's not good when you need coins to test with and all your mined coins go away
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1194 2011-05-26 12:23:39 <da2ce7> lol
1195 2011-05-26 12:23:40 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: it's what happens when someone with more than 50% of the network hashing strength intentionally forks the network and then rejoins it later
1196 2011-05-26 12:24:02 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: all the blocks that everyone else worked on get superceded
1197 2011-05-26 12:24:43 <da2ce7> so your blocks 'dissapear' in the client, or go back down to 120 conf's/
1198 2011-05-26 12:24:56 <da2ce7> I guees they will complelty dissapear.
1199 2011-05-26 12:25:11 <SerajewelKS> they go away
1200 2011-05-26 12:25:14 * da2ce7 is solo mining... the lottary.
1201 2011-05-26 12:25:16 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: so maybe I need to manualy add more of those check points at closer periods of time
1202 2011-05-26 12:25:40 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: more "check points" won't really help much when the network yanks back coins that were mined
1203 2011-05-26 12:25:47 <da2ce7> SerajewelKS, what happens to the transactions based upon those blocks?
1204 2011-05-26 12:25:55 <SerajewelKS> da2ce7: upon the generated coins?
1205 2011-05-26 12:26:06 <da2ce7> yeah... after the rorg
1206 2011-05-26 12:26:10 <SerajewelKS> da2ce7: they become invalid and go away
1207 2011-05-26 12:26:26 <da2ce7> ah... even if they have mixed in good coins?
1208 2011-05-26 12:26:33 <SerajewelKS> yes
1209 2011-05-26 12:26:49 <SerajewelKS> if any input in a transaction becomes invalid as part of a reorg, the entire transaction becomes invalid
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1211 2011-05-26 12:27:20 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: what if all the coins had already been mined?
1212 2011-05-26 12:27:35 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: the longer chain will still supercede the old one
1213 2011-05-26 12:27:52 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: ya that sound correct
1214 2011-05-26 12:28:16 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: the only way to "fix" the problem you're having would be to require that coins have existed for a lot more than 120 blocks before you accept them
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1216 2011-05-26 12:28:23 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: and even that's not 100% bulletproof
1217 2011-05-26 12:28:35 <SerajewelKS> this is why one malicious entity having 50% of the network strength is bad
1218 2011-05-26 12:28:57 <SerajewelKS> not only can they out-hash the network but they can effectively prevent anyone else from generating blocks, simply by refusing to accept their blocks
1219 2011-05-26 12:29:05 <da2ce7> the hash rate is going up fast enougth. :)
1220 2011-05-26 12:29:10 <SerajewelKS> they build their own chain in isolation
1221 2011-05-26 12:29:11 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: well all my coins in weeds were created in the first 10 blocks and now I'm at block 2000
1222 2011-05-26 12:29:13 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
1223 2011-05-26 12:29:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126929 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 78 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 9 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 433251.16846752
1224 2011-05-26 12:29:15 <SerajewelKS> then reconnect to the rest of the network
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1226 2011-05-26 12:29:21 <SerajewelKS> boom, transactions get reverted
1227 2011-05-26 12:29:45 <SerajewelKS> (transactions based upon new coins)
1228 2011-05-26 12:30:00 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: I"m wondering if those would have the same problem but I think they can only cancel orders that happend after they took over the net
1229 2011-05-26 12:30:19 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: they are free to fork the block chain from whatever point they want
1230 2011-05-26 12:30:31 * da2ce7 builds a super super fast asic mining farm and makes a reorg from block 100000 :P
1231 2011-05-26 12:30:42 <da2ce7> lol
1232 2011-05-26 12:30:48 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: with a sufficiently strong rig, they could cause a reorg from block 0
1233 2011-05-26 12:31:17 <SerajewelKS> they would effectively reboot the network
1234 2011-05-26 12:31:23 <da2ce7> SerajewelKS, nope hardcoded chain locks.
1235 2011-05-26 12:31:46 <SerajewelKS> da2ce7: at what point?
1236 2011-05-26 12:31:46 <da2ce7> in the client... you could do a rebbot from the last lock that was widely accepted.
1237 2011-05-26 12:31:57 <SerajewelKS> what does "widely accepted" mean?
1238 2011-05-26 12:32:04 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: so it takes a week or 2 before the net see's it needs to raise difficulty before they need more power break it?
1239 2011-05-26 12:32:11 <SerajewelKS> how does your client know when a block is "widely accepted?"
1240 2011-05-26 12:32:30 <da2ce7> umm... cannot remeber when the last on was put into the code.. satoshi put them in to stop an attacker from killing all the old coins.
1241 2011-05-26 12:32:30 <zirpu> ;;bc,calc 264000
1242 2011-05-26 12:32:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 264000 Khps, given current difficulty of 244139.48158254 , is 6 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 17 minutes, and 40 seconds
1243 2011-05-26 12:32:32 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: it takes 2016 blocks
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1245 2011-05-26 12:32:44 <SerajewelKS> da2ce7: even on testnet?
1246 2011-05-26 12:32:50 <da2ce7> not on testnet
1247 2011-05-26 12:32:58 <SerajewelKS> then my point remains ;)
1248 2011-05-26 12:33:10 <SerajewelKS> testnet could be rebooted easily by tycho
1249 2011-05-26 12:33:18 <da2ce7> but testnet coins are not worth anything.
1250 2011-05-26 12:33:31 <sacarlson> da2ce7: I added only one of the "check points" I think is the term into my Weeds chain
1251 2011-05-26 12:33:33 <SerajewelKS> if they weren't worth anything, nobody would mine them
1252 2011-05-26 12:34:03 <da2ce7> lol they have value for testing.
1253 2011-05-26 12:34:05 <da2ce7> :P
1254 2011-05-26 12:34:20 <SerajewelKS> exactly
1255 2011-05-26 12:34:22 <da2ce7> I guess that is a utility value.
1256 2011-05-26 12:35:27 * da2ce7 is waiting for "Generated" [+50] to pop up on his client.
1257 2011-05-26 12:35:38 <da2ce7> checks every hour or so
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1259 2011-05-26 12:35:52 <SerajewelKS> bbl
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1270 2011-05-26 12:44:29 <FunkyPenguin> BlueMatt: any ideas on how to fix http://paste.opensuse.org/28245889?
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1272 2011-05-26 12:45:52 <BlueMatt> FunkyPenguin: you are missing libdb++, read build-unix.txt in doc
1273 2011-05-26 12:47:36 <BlueMatt> FunkyPenguin: are you just packaging this for yourself, or to share?
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1275 2011-05-26 12:48:27 <FunkyPenguin> BlueMatt: the intention is to share it with the openSUSE community
1276 2011-05-26 12:49:03 <BlueMatt> FunkyPenguin: maybe you want to learn a bit more about building in general first?
1277 2011-05-26 12:49:53 <FunkyPenguin> BlueMatt: well i've done a bit of packaging in the past etc, but it's been a wee while :)
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1279 2011-05-26 12:50:55 <FunkyPenguin> there is no  bui build-unix.txt in doc just README  README_windows.txt
1280 2011-05-26 12:51:39 <ersi> Funk it up
1281 2011-05-26 12:51:40 <BlueMatt> yes there is
1282 2011-05-26 12:51:59 <BlueMatt> what are you building from?
1283 2011-05-26 12:51:59 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/doc
1284 2011-05-26 12:52:07 <BlueMatt> current shows build-unix.txt
1285 2011-05-26 12:53:10 <FunkyPenguin> BlueMatt: building from the tar.gz that's available
1286 2011-05-26 12:53:26 <BlueMatt> that says nothing, where did you get the tar?
1287 2011-05-26 12:54:14 <BlueMatt> plus if you are building for packaging, you should be building a stable release, not git
1288 2011-05-26 12:54:23 <BlueMatt> 0.3.21
1289 2011-05-26 12:55:24 <FunkyPenguin> BlueMatt: exact;y why im using the tar.gz from http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.21/bitcoin-0.3.21-linux.tar.gz/download
1290 2011-05-26 12:55:44 <BlueMatt> huh? 0.3.21 didnt have an src dir
1291 2011-05-26 12:56:08 <BlueMatt> oh, ha, you are building from the dir...
1292 2011-05-26 12:56:37 <BlueMatt> build-unix.txt is just in the main dir then
1293 2011-05-26 12:56:43 <BlueMatt> (src == main dir)
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1295 2011-05-26 12:57:36 <FunkyPenguin> ah ok
1296 2011-05-26 12:58:17 <BlueMatt> does the binary not work, that you have to build yourself?
1297 2011-05-26 12:58:58 <zirpu> ;;bc,calc 268000
1298 2011-05-26 12:58:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 268000 Khps, given current difficulty of 244139.48158254 , is 6 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 49 minutes, and 38 seconds
1299 2011-05-26 12:59:05 <zirpu> ;;bc,gen 268000
1300 2011-05-26 12:59:06 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 268000 Khps, given current difficulty of 244139.48158254 , is 1.10413114769 BTC per day and 0.0460054644871 BTC per hour.
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1302 2011-05-26 13:02:39 <FunkyPenguin> BlueMatt: the binary does, but i saw somewhere that you were going to drop the linux binary build and get the distros to package it
1303 2011-05-26 13:02:56 <BlueMatt> FunkyPenguin: no, not really true
1304 2011-05-26 13:03:10 <BlueMatt> the plan is a bit more...complicated than that
1305 2011-05-26 13:03:11 <FunkyPenguin> oh and our db seems to be missing the c++ bindings atm
1306 2011-05-26 13:03:44 <davex__> Why would bitcoin getaddressesbyaccount "" return an error code -1?
1307 2011-05-26 13:03:59 <davex__> there should always be an account named "", right?
1308 2011-05-26 13:04:21 <BlueMatt> jgarzik wants to see all linux builds gone, but it will (I hope) probably end up a bit more like this: the distros we can get it in, we will (well those who have packagers who are trusted), the rest, there will be a generic build that should work for most distros...
1309 2011-05-26 13:04:44 <jaromil> speaking of packaged stuff
1310 2011-05-26 13:04:50 <zirpu> anyone used bitcoinrigs.com ?  mining rig rental service.
1311 2011-05-26 13:05:04 <jaromil> i've been going forward and after autotools and python bindings
1312 2011-05-26 13:05:14 <jaromil> was very easy to package (also to test autotools)
1313 2011-05-26 13:05:22 <BlueMatt> the problem with bitcoin, is it needs even more trust than the average package, so regular anyone-can-become-maintainer policy just doesnt really apply...
1314 2011-05-26 13:05:38 <jaromil> so now you can try ubuntu packages here https://launchpad.net/~jaromil/+archive/bitcoin
1315 2011-05-26 13:05:47 <jaromil> its called freecoin to not overlap with bitcoin
1316 2011-05-26 13:05:53 <jaromil> that is following the policy bluematt is explaining
1317 2011-05-26 13:05:54 <BlueMatt> jaromil: what is that now?
1318 2011-05-26 13:05:55 <davex__> fuck
1319 2011-05-26 13:06:21 <BlueMatt> jaromil: so that is...what ubuntu spesmilo package?
1320 2011-05-26 13:06:23 <jaromil> again i'm available to merge things with the necessary patience when you think is the time
1321 2011-05-26 13:06:32 <jaromil> BlueMatt: no, not yet. just the daemon
1322 2011-05-26 13:06:36 <jaromil> not for noobs, yet
1323 2011-05-26 13:06:41 <BlueMatt> so its...daemon + waht?
1324 2011-05-26 13:06:48 <jaromil> just daemon
1325 2011-05-26 13:06:54 <jaromil> we are testing it
1326 2011-05-26 13:06:58 <BlueMatt> I thought you said patches?
1327 2011-05-26 13:07:00 <jaromil> because it has some modifications
1328 2011-05-26 13:07:02 <jaromil> yes
1329 2011-05-26 13:07:05 <BlueMatt> like?
1330 2011-05-26 13:07:11 <jaromil> http://gitorious.org/freecoin
1331 2011-05-26 13:07:21 <BlueMatt> that isnt really helpful...
1332 2011-05-26 13:07:23 <jaromil> weed, rpcstr, bitnom
1333 2011-05-26 13:07:35 <BlueMatt> oh...what is rpcstr?
1334 2011-05-26 13:07:43 <jaromil> from our tests its fully compatible with bitcoin legacy
1335 2011-05-26 13:07:43 <io-> if you need any asp legacy code worked on atlas does nothing but legacy asp code work all day long every day for the man (and dongs)
1336 2011-05-26 13:07:53 <BlueMatt> lol bitcoin legacy
1337 2011-05-26 13:07:53 <io-> if you need any asp legacy code worked on atlas does nothing but legacy asp code work all day long every day for the man (and dongs)
1338 2011-05-26 13:08:03 <BlueMatt> you realize your patches will never get merged?
1339 2011-05-26 13:08:06 <jaromil> how can we call the main trunk? :)
1340 2011-05-26 13:08:08 <doublec> lol legacy bots
1341 2011-05-26 13:08:08 <io-> if you need any asp legacy code worked on atlas does nothing but legacy asp code work all day long every day for the man (and dongs)
1342 2011-05-26 13:08:16 <jaromil> BlueMatt: these are not my patches
1343 2011-05-26 13:08:25 <jaromil> my pull request so far is just autotools
1344 2011-05-26 13:08:33 <BlueMatt> jaromil: either way, they will never make it into mainline bitcoin...
1345 2011-05-26 13:08:36 <doublec> what is the rpcstr patch?
1346 2011-05-26 13:08:37 <BlueMatt> but what is rpcstr?
1347 2011-05-26 13:08:37 <jaromil> freecoin is my maintainance policy, not my collection of patches
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1349 2011-05-26 13:08:53 <jaromil> i'm not advocating them into mainline bitcoin
1350 2011-05-26 13:09:01 <ersi> io-: what the fuck are you on about
1351 2011-05-26 13:09:01 <jaromil> that why i give it another name, to make it clear is different
1352 2011-05-26 13:09:06 <BlueMatt> also, pushing freecoin to people who come to the "bitcoin consultancy" is just stupid as shit
1353 2011-05-26 13:09:25 <BlueMatt> kinda ruins the idea of "bitcoin consultancy"
1354 2011-05-26 13:09:27 <jaromil> we are not pushing freecoin to ... as you say
1355 2011-05-26 13:09:34 <jaromil> its an experiment
1356 2011-05-26 13:09:37 <jaromil> we need experiemnts
1357 2011-05-26 13:09:40 <BlueMatt> to what goal?
1358 2011-05-26 13:09:41 <jaromil> i think you are getting paranoid
1359 2011-05-26 13:09:54 <BlueMatt> no, I just see it as wasted effort
1360 2011-05-26 13:10:11 <jaromil> don't worry, is not your effort :)
1361 2011-05-26 13:10:17 <jaromil> to the goal of overcoming this stuff http://culubas.blogspot.com/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html
1362 2011-05-26 13:10:20 <BlueMatt> lol, what is the goal anyway?
1363 2011-05-26 13:10:21 <jaromil> and to make the core better
1364 2011-05-26 13:10:23 <doublec> well if mainline doesn't accept patches people are interested in, what else are they supposed to do?
1365 2011-05-26 13:10:29 <jaromil> we are also rewriting it, but it takes time
1366 2011-05-26 13:10:50 <BlueMatt> doublec: no, what they are doing is just adding random stuff that has no use except as an experiment (so far)
1367 2011-05-26 13:11:37 <jaromil> i can tell bitcoin consultancy has some high profile skills and some developers ATM feel frustrated by the lenghty and conservative bitcoin maintainance process
1368 2011-05-26 13:11:54 <jaromil> i'm doing my best to mitigate this situation, maintaining a more liberal version
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1370 2011-05-26 13:12:01 <jaromil> and, as you see, keeping clear contact here
1371 2011-05-26 13:12:03 <BlueMatt> jaromil: ok, so what exactly does the stuff like namecoin and whatnot have to do with timejacking/other stuff
1372 2011-05-26 13:12:14 <jaromil> i can well understand what are the things bitcoin like to evaluate and what are not
1373 2011-05-26 13:12:32 <BlueMatt> jaromil: sorry, I dont know of any devs who feel frustrated by conservative dev process here...
1374 2011-05-26 13:12:33 <jaromil> timejacking is an issue phantom has been busy for a while now
1375 2011-05-26 13:12:50 <BlueMatt> hm, timejacking is interesting...
1376 2011-05-26 13:12:51 <FunkyPenguin> BlueMatt: would you consider using something like the Open Build Service? which provides rpms/debs for most major distros?
1377 2011-05-26 13:12:54 <jaromil> BlueMatt: lets live that aside for gossip, i think noone has serious frustration
1378 2011-05-26 13:13:00 <sipa> what is timejacking?
1379 2011-05-26 13:13:03 <BlueMatt> FunkyPenguin: Im planning a ppa already...
1380 2011-05-26 13:13:20 <jaromil> sipa: this is an overview that was written down, fwd by jeremid  http://culubas.blogspot.com/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html
1381 2011-05-26 13:13:30 <BlueMatt> jaromil: fair enough, anyway I hope people understand why software like bitcoin _has_ to be conservative
1382 2011-05-26 13:13:31 <jaromil> however i've seen phantom playing with that already
1383 2011-05-26 13:13:41 <BlueMatt> its financial software, you move to quick and you make mistakes
1384 2011-05-26 13:13:42 <jaromil> its a way to DOS and to slow down miners, basically
1385 2011-05-26 13:13:51 <BlueMatt> and for financial software, that is unacceptable
1386 2011-05-26 13:13:55 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i understand, yes
1387 2011-05-26 13:14:02 <BlueMatt> sipa: variation on sybilish
1388 2011-05-26 13:14:18 <BlueMatt> what does the bitcoin consultancy do anyway?
1389 2011-05-26 13:14:19 <jaromil> mostly not because is financial, but because is a network
1390 2011-05-26 13:14:32 <jaromil> BlueMatt: its setting up
1391 2011-05-26 13:14:46 <BlueMatt> last I heard, they were in talks with some south african cell carier for them to fork and make their own bitcoin
1392 2011-05-26 13:14:52 <BlueMatt> carrier*
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1394 2011-05-26 13:14:59 <sipa> there are people who feel bitcoin mainline has been introducing too many features and is becoming unstable
1395 2011-05-26 13:15:17 <BlueMatt> yep
1396 2011-05-26 13:15:18 <ArtForz> looks wrong
1397 2011-05-26 13:15:32 <ArtForz> yes, that "poison block" will speerate the node form the rest of the network
1398 2011-05-26 13:15:46 <ArtForz> for ... about 50 minutes
1399 2011-05-26 13:15:59 <ArtForz> after that it'll happily acce4pt the block because it's now in the acceptable time range
1400 2011-05-26 13:16:08 <jaromil> yes AFAIK is not critical
1401 2011-05-26 13:16:27 <BlueMatt> anyway, doesnt the client reject outlier timestamps/shouldnt it?
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1403 2011-05-26 13:16:35 <ArtForz> and as the blocks after that one are not mined by the attacker... it'll accepot those as well as its 70 min offset wont cause problems with blocks with correct timestamps
1404 2011-05-26 13:17:15 <Namegduf> It looks like that's what it exploits; gets timestamps set far enough apart that it can issue a block that everyone else will accept
1405 2011-05-26 13:17:20 <Namegduf> But the target node will reject
1406 2011-05-26 13:17:22 <BlueMatt> meh, probably wrong, but doesnt mean it cant confuse peers, which shouldnt be allowed
1407 2011-05-26 13:17:23 <Namegduf> Which is clever.
1408 2011-05-26 13:17:26 <ArtForz> current client limits to 70 min
1409 2011-05-26 13:17:41 <ArtForz> which is a tad too much
1410 2011-05-26 13:17:49 <BlueMatt> anyway, not a critical attack by any means
1411 2011-05-26 13:17:52 <Namegduf> Yeah
1412 2011-05-26 13:18:09 <Namegduf> You need to consistently generate blocks and it involves tricking time across the entire network.
1413 2011-05-26 13:18:12 <Namegduf> Which seems sort of hard.
1414 2011-05-26 13:19:11 <BlueMatt> jaromil: so the full list of stuff in that branch is just weeds + (what is strrpc?) + bitnom?
1415 2011-05-26 13:19:16 <BlueMatt> + autotools
1416 2011-05-26 13:19:34 <ArtForz> well, you only need about 20% of total network (and enough sybil nodes to "pull time") to keep your victim nodes on your chain
1417 2011-05-26 13:19:48 <jaromil> + removal of wx
1418 2011-05-26 13:19:58 <BlueMatt> so...just bitcoind?
1419 2011-05-26 13:19:59 <ArtForz> and wtf? using ntp introduces a central point of failure?
1420 2011-05-26 13:20:09 <jaromil> strrpc is use of strings rather than floats in rpc
1421 2011-05-26 13:20:14 <doublec> ah right
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1423 2011-05-26 13:20:17 <BlueMatt> ah
1424 2011-05-26 13:20:22 <ArtForz> since when is ntp centralized?
1425 2011-05-26 13:20:24 <BlueMatt> now that I can agree with...
1426 2011-05-26 13:20:28 <doublec> me too
1427 2011-05-26 13:20:36 <jaromil> i wasn't really enthusiastic about it
1428 2011-05-26 13:20:41 <jaromil> because it breaks compat with other clients
1429 2011-05-26 13:20:47 <jaromil> unless they are modified for it
1430 2011-05-26 13:20:47 <BlueMatt> I'd like to see some kind of change in that direction...but it needs to be backward compat
1431 2011-05-26 13:20:49 <sipa> exactly
1432 2011-05-26 13:20:53 <jaromil> but well most devs seems to like it
1433 2011-05-26 13:20:58 <doublec> they should introduce a new rpc call for it
1434 2011-05-26 13:21:01 <ersi> Bahaha
1435 2011-05-26 13:21:05 <doublec> that people can migrate to
1436 2011-05-26 13:21:07 <jaromil> new rpc call is a good idea imho
1437 2011-05-26 13:21:09 <sipa> amounts should always have been strings or ints, but changing it now is hard
1438 2011-05-26 13:21:13 <BlueMatt> I like it, but so many people just go crazy and say "AHHH" and say kill backward compat
1439 2011-05-26 13:21:39 <BlueMatt> anyway, it could be added in a backward compat way, just takes work...
1440 2011-05-26 13:21:57 <jaromil> one more rpc call, would be very good if someone can make such a pull req
1441 2011-05-26 13:22:29 <BlueMatt> no just an extra bool param on each function which returns a balance
1442 2011-05-26 13:22:30 <BlueMatt> defaulting to false
1443 2011-05-26 13:22:48 <jaromil> better
1444 2011-05-26 13:24:20 <Namegduf> BlueMatt: It makes me sad that so few protocols include capability negotiation when first created. :(
1445 2011-05-26 13:24:39 <BlueMatt> well, too late now...
1446 2011-05-26 13:24:45 <Namegduf> Sadly so.
1447 2011-05-26 13:25:04 * Namegduf does appreciate bitcoin being so conservative
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1450 2011-05-26 13:25:27 <Namegduf> Compared to many I have relatively little involved, but even I'm really happy that what's handling my money is designed with care.
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1453 2011-05-26 13:26:38 <jaromil> don't get me wrong, again i appreciate current bitcoin maintainership is very cautious and conservative
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1455 2011-05-26 13:27:19 <jaromil> with freecoin i've taken care of *changing the name* and avoiding clashes
1456 2011-05-26 13:27:25 <jaromil> i think an experimental branch doesn't hurts
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1458 2011-05-26 13:27:44 <TheKid_> Hmm
1459 2011-05-26 13:28:03 <BlueMatt> fair enough, I intended to do something similar, though not quite sooo radical, but Ive left it fall by the wayside to do more important things
1460 2011-05-26 13:28:05 <TheKid_> my clearcoin account hasn't released funds despite me telling it to release
1461 2011-05-26 13:28:09 <TheKid_> any idea what's up?
1462 2011-05-26 13:28:37 <Namegduf> If you're sure you told it, maybe it's just not been received by the destination yet?
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1464 2011-05-26 13:30:36 <jaromil> also with freecoin we'll have some pull requests ready and well tested in the near future, for instance the swig python bindings one is there now
1465 2011-05-26 13:30:46 <jaromil> i think it can interest people here
1466 2011-05-26 13:30:54 <jaromil> also considering it doesn't changes the code
1467 2011-05-26 13:31:02 <BlueMatt> what does that give people?
1468 2011-05-26 13:31:07 <BlueMatt> (that rpc cant?)
1469 2011-05-26 13:31:24 <jaromil> call directly any function inside the code, making it a library
1470 2011-05-26 13:31:32 <BlueMatt> yea...
1471 2011-05-26 13:31:39 <BlueMatt> no
1472 2011-05-26 13:31:44 <jaromil> i've heard many people asking for a library
1473 2011-05-26 13:31:47 <jaromil> well, not any
1474 2011-05-26 13:31:57 <jaromil> but for instance init.cpp could be a python script then
1475 2011-05-26 13:32:05 <BlueMatt> that doesnt make it a library, that offers a simple method to hook inside code people shouldnt be touching
1476 2011-05-26 13:32:27 <BlueMatt> I agree libbitcoin would be helpful, but that is the wrong approach
1477 2011-05-26 13:32:44 <sipa> i like the idea of turning it into a library, and providing hooks and bindings with other languages
1478 2011-05-26 13:32:45 <BlueMatt> a proper lib is needed, not just a here, call whatever you want however you want...
1479 2011-05-26 13:32:52 <SerajewelKS> a library would be a good thing, if it were properly encapsulated
1480 2011-05-26 13:32:56 <sipa> exactly
1481 2011-05-26 13:33:19 <BlueMatt> especially when the code's locks and stuff get so complicated in terms of where they are made, and around what they need to be made
1482 2011-05-26 13:33:38 <jaromil> i understand that
1483 2011-05-26 13:33:50 <jaromil> well consider right now the things exposed are just AppInit*
1484 2011-05-26 13:34:05 <jaromil> i'm not digging further than that, can be decided
1485 2011-05-26 13:34:11 <jaromil> what i'd love to have is doxygen comments
1486 2011-05-26 13:34:19 <jaromil> on headers that should be exposed
1487 2011-05-26 13:34:23 <sipa> agree
1488 2011-05-26 13:34:40 <sipa> once there are headers to be exported
1489 2011-05-26 13:34:41 <jaromil> because they'll go directly into python documentation (pod) with some slapping
1490 2011-05-26 13:35:07 <jaromil> so plz go doxygen if u have any time to dump into it your understanding of bitcoin so far
1491 2011-05-26 13:35:42 <sipa> first step is cleaning up the dependencies between the code, and nicely defining the responsibilities of each layer
1492 2011-05-26 13:35:48 <BlueMatt> well the biggest thing which needs decided is what needs to be available...frankly rpc with some additional patches is all you need access to
1493 2011-05-26 13:36:06 <BlueMatt> (getblock and such)
1494 2011-05-26 13:36:13 <sipa> for certain applications, sure
1495 2011-05-26 13:36:27 <BlueMatt> what else do you really need?
1496 2011-05-26 13:36:50 <sipa> need? nothing
1497 2011-05-26 13:37:03 <SerajewelKS> maybe you want to be able to import/export wallet keys
1498 2011-05-26 13:37:03 <sipa> but if a clean a powerful api exists, i'm sure it will help innovation
1499 2011-05-26 13:37:10 <sipa> SerajewelKS: done :)
1500 2011-05-26 13:37:11 <BlueMatt> true
1501 2011-05-26 13:37:27 <SerajewelKS> whenever someone says something like "you should never need more than these X functions" my immediate response is "and you can see the future?"
1502 2011-05-26 13:37:27 <BlueMatt> first...thin client...then lib
1503 2011-05-26 13:37:31 <sacarlson> p2p escrow would be nice but I'm not sure lib access will make it any easer to acheave
1504 2011-05-26 13:37:53 <BlueMatt> yes that would, you could get more access to scripts
1505 2011-05-26 13:38:09 <jaromil> access to scripts are a big issue i understand
1506 2011-05-26 13:38:14 <jaromil> is
1507 2011-05-26 13:38:28 <sipa> there is a nice example - people who want to experiment with alternative scripts (even just on testnet for now), would benefit from an api that exposes creation of arbitrary transactions
1508 2011-05-26 13:38:43 <BlueMatt> ok, there is something that would be needed
1509 2011-05-26 13:38:57 <sipa> and you could create a RPC that allows you to send a binary dump of an arbitrary tx
1510 2011-05-26 13:39:11 <sipa> but that means the creator would need to duplicate all the tx serialization code
1511 2011-05-26 13:39:34 <sipa> and a lot more bitcoin-specific logic
1512 2011-05-26 13:40:00 <BlueMatt> no, that wouldnt do...rpc with the ability to specify script via your own stuff, then bitcoin serializes it and such would be nice
1513 2011-05-26 13:40:03 <TheKid_> Namegduf: been waiting for a while, over two weeks
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1515 2011-05-26 13:40:40 <Namegduf> TheKid_: Bizarre
1516 2011-05-26 13:40:46 <Namegduf> Try releasing again?
1517 2011-05-26 13:40:59 <TheKid_> Namegduf: can't
1518 2011-05-26 13:41:02 <TheKid_> no button
1519 2011-05-26 13:41:09 <BlueMatt> TheKid_: send gavin an email
1520 2011-05-26 13:41:11 <TheKid_> I figure it has to do with the new fees that clearcoin charges
1521 2011-05-26 13:41:20 <TheKid_> what's his email? I posted a thread to try and get his attention
1522 2011-05-26 13:41:28 <BlueMatt> hes on vacation atm
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1524 2011-05-26 13:42:11 <BlueMatt> Email: clearwingsoftware@gmail.com
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1537 2011-05-26 13:51:15 <SerajewelKS> has gavin been apprehended finally?
1538 2011-05-26 13:51:44 <SerajewelKS> did they get to him?
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1540 2011-05-26 13:54:00 <_Maru_> when i try to run python poclbm.py I get
1541 2011-05-26 13:54:04 <_Maru_> X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
1542 2011-05-26 13:54:06 <_Maru_>   Major opcode of failed request:  137 ()
1543 2011-05-26 13:54:10 <_Maru_>   Minor opcode of failed request:  19
1544 2011-05-26 13:54:12 <_Maru_>   Serial number of failed request:  8
1545 2011-05-26 13:54:14 <_Maru_>   Current serial number in output stream:  8
1546 2011-05-26 13:54:16 <_Maru_> any ideas?
1547 2011-05-26 13:54:28 <SerajewelKS> _Maru_: #bitcoin-mining
1548 2011-05-26 13:54:32 <rli> ;;bc,stats
1549 2011-05-26 13:54:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126949 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 58 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 hours, 34 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 433672.06214299
1550 2011-05-26 13:55:02 <SerajewelKS> the "chatroom" link really needs to be fixed on the wiki
1551 2011-05-26 13:55:33 <SerajewelKS> maybe i'll take a stab at it, if that MediaWiki: page is editable
1552 2011-05-26 13:56:35 <SerajewelKS> who has write access to MediaWiki:Sidebar?
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1558 2011-05-26 14:00:37 <x5x> has there been any discussion on that culubas guy's timejacking vuln
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1570 2011-05-26 14:08:27 <Diablo-D3> hey mtrlt
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1575 2011-05-26 14:12:37 <SerajewelKS> if someone here has sysop on the wiki, can you change the sidebar chatroom to point to [[IRC channels]]?
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1581 2011-05-26 14:18:55 <jeremid> greetings
1582 2011-05-26 14:19:05 <jeremid> is theymos here?
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1596 2011-05-26 14:39:06 <FunkyPenguin> strange, using the linux 32bit binary, i dont seem to be able to connect to the network
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1601 2011-05-26 14:52:27 <BlueMatt> FunkyPenguin: you sure? thats a common issue recently
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1604 2011-05-26 14:59:29 <krekbwoy> when you submit a hash to a mining pool, is it checked against all previously accepted hashes in that round?
1605 2011-05-26 15:01:06 <BlueMatt> that doesnt make sense
1606 2011-05-26 15:01:19 <sipa> sure is?
1607 2011-05-26 15:01:36 <luke-jr> krekbwoy: yes
1608 2011-05-26 15:01:37 <sipa> it should be checked, and i believe most pools do so
1609 2011-05-26 15:01:58 <BlueMatt> it is checked, but checked against all previously accepted hashes? that doesnt make sense
1610 2011-05-26 15:02:03 <BlueMatt> error in logic
1611 2011-05-26 15:02:32 <krekbwoy> what keeps you from sending the same one over and over again?
1612 2011-05-26 15:02:57 <sipa> BlueMatt: ...
1613 2011-05-26 15:03:07 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: huh?
1614 2011-05-26 15:03:08 <BlueMatt> oh that kind of check...
1615 2011-05-26 15:03:36 <BlueMatt> still...doesnt quite make sense, as it has to be in response to your getwork, which Id assume pools keep track of
1616 2011-05-26 15:03:49 <sipa> ... which is exactly his question?
1617 2011-05-26 15:03:59 <BlueMatt> well, that I didnt see to begin with ;)
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1619 2011-05-26 15:04:05 <ArtForz> kinda, yes
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1623 2011-05-26 15:04:50 <krekbwoy> alright, thanks for the answer
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1625 2011-05-26 15:05:34 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ping
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1628 2011-05-26 15:07:52 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
1629 2011-05-26 15:07:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126962 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 45 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 33 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 433708.84157186
1630 2011-05-26 15:08:22 <luke-jr> krekbwoy: it's checked 1) to be sure it's YOUR work, 2) to be sure YOU didn't submit it before
1631 2011-05-26 15:08:51 <luke-jr> krekbwoy: so if you submit a different miner's work, it will be rejected
1632 2011-05-26 15:08:56 <luke-jr> whether dupe or not
1633 2011-05-26 15:10:18 <krekbwoy> ok, another question
1634 2011-05-26 15:11:07 <krekbwoy> on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_pool_reward_FAQ it says the the "pay per share" reward system is vulnerable to     sabotage where the miner simply withholds all block-finding shares, causing a loss to the pool operator.
1635 2011-05-26 15:11:36 <FunkyPenguin> BlueMatt: yeah it's taken me about 9 attempts, but it is now connected
1636 2011-05-26 15:11:58 <krekbwoy> isn't all of the rewardsystems vulerable to that? its just that in the other cases it's not the pool operator that looses out
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1640 2011-05-26 15:13:32 <x5x> krekbwoy, hrm, if you did that, you'd also be denying yourself your share of the payment for that block, i dont know if thers any incentive to do that other than spite
1641 2011-05-26 15:14:05 <x5x> oh wait, i guess you could send that block urself, and get the full payment
1642 2011-05-26 15:14:18 <krekbwoy> exactly
1643 2011-05-26 15:14:21 <ArtForz> no
1644 2011-05-26 15:14:43 <ArtForz> first learn how it works, then proclaim shit.
1645 2011-05-26 15:14:51 <x5x> sorry
1646 2011-05-26 15:15:31 <ArtForz> doing that attack does lower your payout
1647 2011-05-26 15:15:50 <ArtForz> in case of PPS pools, only by a tiny fraction while costing the pool operator potentially quite a bit
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1649 2011-05-26 15:16:23 <ArtForz> for share/score based pools, it damages all miners on a pool equally
1650 2011-05-26 15:16:23 <x5x> hrm what keeps someone from sending the btc network the block themselves
1651 2011-05-26 15:16:38 <ArtForz> the structure of the block
1652 2011-05-26 15:16:44 <x5x> oh yea cuz
1653 2011-05-26 15:16:56 <x5x> he puts his btc addr in it
1654 2011-05-26 15:16:59 <ArtForz> yep
1655 2011-05-26 15:17:00 <x5x> forgot about hat
1656 2011-05-26 15:17:03 <krekbwoy> ah
1657 2011-05-26 15:17:13 <ArtForz> as the block a pool miner mines contains the generation-to-pool
1658 2011-05-26 15:17:18 <luke-jr> krekbwoy: the other cases, the scammer loses out too
1659 2011-05-26 15:17:24 <luke-jr> krekbwoy: with PPS, the scammer wins
1660 2011-05-26 15:17:33 <ArtForz> luke-jr: not wins
1661 2011-05-26 15:17:35 <x5x> so my original statement holds, the only incetnive to do that is like spite against hte pool runner :P
1662 2011-05-26 15:17:41 <luke-jr> ArtForz: yes, wins
1663 2011-05-26 15:17:42 <ArtForz> still loses, but only a tiny amount
1664 2011-05-26 15:17:45 <x5x> and maybe other pool paricipants
1665 2011-05-26 15:17:46 <ArtForz> yes, loses
1666 2011-05-26 15:17:57 <rli> ;;bc,stats
1667 2011-05-26 15:17:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126964 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 43 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 23 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 433721.50198124
1668 2011-05-26 15:18:03 <luke-jr> no, because he gains payment for all the other shares
1669 2011-05-26 15:18:07 <ArtForz> on average one in difficulty shares is a winner, no?
1670 2011-05-26 15:18:24 <ArtForz> so... withholding that share he gets... 1/difficulty less
1671 2011-05-26 15:18:34 <ArtForz> 1/difficulty < 1
1672 2011-05-26 15:18:40 <ArtForz> err
1673 2011-05-26 15:18:41 <ArtForz> > 0
1674 2011-05-26 15:18:56 <ArtForz> so the scammer also loses. a tiny fraction.
1675 2011-05-26 15:19:40 <ArtForz> WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID
1676 2011-05-26 15:20:25 <x5x> what about that timejacking thing thats guy wrote up
1677 2011-05-26 15:20:47 <ArtForz> can work in theory, needs > 20% network hashrate to work for more than 40 minutes
1678 2011-05-26 15:20:58 <ArtForz> and is trivially fixed
1679 2011-05-26 15:21:00 <luke-jr> ArtForz: but the scammer gains every other share
1680 2011-05-26 15:21:05 <x5x> isnt it really hard to like, become almost all of the connections to any given node
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1682 2011-05-26 15:21:10 <luke-jr> which is NOT the case with the share/score methods
1683 2011-05-26 15:21:20 <x5x> because nodes connect out, not in right ?
1684 2011-05-26 15:21:24 <ArtForz> luke-jr: a pay per share pool... pays per share
1685 2011-05-26 15:21:45 <ArtForz> if I only send in nonwinning shares, I send less shares than when I send all shares
1686 2011-05-26 15:22:10 <ArtForz> which is *less* that what I'd get by sending in winning shares, too.
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1689 2011-05-26 15:25:40 <ArtForz> whitholding winning shares at current diff means I only send 244138/244139 shares on average. which is 0.0005% *LESS* than 244139/244139
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1692 2011-05-26 15:29:11 <ArtForz> so unless your definition of winning is a very WWI "I lost, but the other guy lost more" ... the attacker doesn't win
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1694 2011-05-26 15:32:18 <erbs> join in th epool
1695 2011-05-26 15:33:31 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: uh
1696 2011-05-26 15:33:37 <Diablo-D3> so let me get your argument straight
1697 2011-05-26 15:33:40 <Diablo-D3> because it sounds like mine
1698 2011-05-26 15:33:52 <Diablo-D3> "the attacker is so fucking small compared to the total pool size that it DOESNT FUCKING MATTER"
1699 2011-05-26 15:33:53 <Diablo-D3> amirite?
1700 2011-05-26 15:34:18 <ArtForz> depends
1701 2011-05-26 15:34:31 <ArtForz> death by papercuts
1702 2011-05-26 15:34:35 <Diablo-D3> and btw, my pool automatically sets share size based on history.
1703 2011-05-26 15:34:43 <Diablo-D3> an attack only lowers the value of future shares
1704 2011-05-26 15:34:54 <Diablo-D3> thus the attack doesnt work
1705 2011-05-26 15:36:32 <luke-jr> s/doesnt work/works once/
1706 2011-05-26 15:36:41 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: how so?
1707 2011-05-26 15:36:56 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: the attack obviously harms *future* earnings, not past earnings
1708 2011-05-26 15:37:13 <Diablo-D3> except past earnings already reflect luck
1709 2011-05-26 15:37:28 <luke-jr> cheating isn't luck
1710 2011-05-26 15:37:37 <Diablo-D3> no, it just makes the pool have artifically bad luck
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1712 2011-05-26 15:39:29 <Diablo-D3> remember, there is no difference between "cheaters" (those who never turn in winning blocks out of spite), and people who merely never mine a block (slow users, etc)
1713 2011-05-26 15:40:05 <luke-jr> there is
1714 2011-05-26 15:41:12 <Diablo-D3> sum(shares) outnumber sum(shares) WHERE shares.winning = true
1715 2011-05-26 15:41:19 <Diablo-D3> by a large margin
1716 2011-05-26 15:41:22 <Diablo-D3> thus, the same thing
1717 2011-05-26 15:43:03 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: and I can also be a fucking dick and have a maximum of 2x of share value to winning value
1718 2011-05-26 15:43:28 <Diablo-D3> but I wont
1719 2011-05-26 15:43:33 <Diablo-D3> because there isnt a problem to be fixed
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1721 2011-05-26 15:49:45 <diki> damn phone scammers called
1722 2011-05-26 15:50:09 <jeremid> jamscam
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1724 2011-05-26 15:52:45 <hybriz_> Diablo-D3: does a pool like yours have a common wallet ?
1725 2011-05-26 15:52:56 <hybriz_> where a large sum of bitcoin is agregated and then distributed ?
1726 2011-05-26 15:53:09 <diki> Hey bluematt
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1728 2011-05-26 15:53:25 <hybriz_> if so or if others do it like that, i think that's the worst threat to the pool :P
1729 2011-05-26 15:53:32 <hybriz_> in terms of security that is
1730 2011-05-26 15:54:51 <BlueMatt> diki: what is it now?
1731 2011-05-26 15:55:12 <diki> lol
1732 2011-05-26 15:55:24 <diki> you make it sound like i've come to you with a thousand problems
1733 2011-05-26 15:55:56 <diki> Anyway, i'd like to generate fake bitcoins on testnet
1734 2011-05-26 15:56:00 <jeremid> but a bit aint one ?
1735 2011-05-26 15:56:02 <Diablo-D3> hybriz_: no
1736 2011-05-26 15:56:09 <luke-jr> hybriz_: #Eligius  :P
1737 2011-05-26 15:56:41 <diki> fake coins that wont get 100 confirms to monitor the phenomenon called "invalid"(which is btw displayed on the stats page on any pool)
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1739 2011-05-26 15:58:23 <BlueMatt> diki: and you need to tag me to do that?
1740 2011-05-26 15:58:45 <sipa> diki: do you understand what a confirmation is?
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1743 2011-05-26 15:59:28 <diki> i want to simulate what sometimes happens on some pools- they're invalid blocks...which get rejected i.e and become invalid on the pool frontend
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1745 2011-05-26 15:59:46 <sipa> i repeat my question: do you understand what a confirmation is?
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1748 2011-05-26 16:00:15 <diki> afaik it's how "deep down" the block is in the blockchain
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1750 2011-05-26 16:00:32 <sipa> good, that's correct
1751 2011-05-26 16:00:53 <sipa> now, how can it be that a transaction does not reach 100 confirmations?
1752 2011-05-26 16:01:14 <diki> when it is rejected by the blockchain
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1755 2011-05-26 16:01:23 <sipa> which means?
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1757 2011-05-26 16:01:27 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Chris Howie * rb51a2927b54b mining-proxy/htdocs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Implement time zone adjustment for datetime display (fixes issue 7) http://tinyurl.com/4xnmnzs
1758 2011-05-26 16:01:43 <diki> it wont get 100 confirms?
1759 2011-05-26 16:01:54 <erbs> confirmatron
1760 2011-05-26 16:02:00 <sipa> what does 'rejected by the block chain' mean?
1761 2011-05-26 16:02:38 <diki> another blockchain is created?
1762 2011-05-26 16:02:44 <diki> which isnt the longest?
1763 2011-05-26 16:02:46 <erbs> depends, whats the context
1764 2011-05-26 16:02:57 <sipa> diki: good, than you know what to simulate
1765 2011-05-26 16:03:02 <erbs> only nodes can reject things...... chains are just data
1766 2011-05-26 16:03:09 <erbs> but i gues i know what you mean
1767 2011-05-26 16:03:20 <sipa> (then?)
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1769 2011-05-26 16:04:53 <erbs> blockcheney
1770 2011-05-26 16:04:54 <hybriz_> Diablo-D3: they are distributed "correctly" as soon as they are transmited to the server?
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1772 2011-05-26 16:06:35 <erbs> zurbuntus
1773 2011-05-26 16:07:36 <erbs> fuck the po-lice
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1775 2011-05-26 16:11:42 <Diablo-D3> hybriz_: no.
1776 2011-05-26 16:13:43 <zef> when u run a bitcoin server, is there an option for levels of interaction with the wallet?
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1778 2011-05-26 16:13:59 <zef> like a read only mode to only pull information about the wallet, vs r/w to make transactions
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1780 2011-05-26 16:15:10 <Diablo-D3> zef: wouldnt make sense.
1781 2011-05-26 16:15:23 <zef> why not
1782 2011-05-26 16:15:33 <Diablo-D3> because bitcoin isnt a wallet reader.
1783 2011-05-26 16:15:43 <jeremid> i never heard back about setting up ntp.. should i do that on my server  http://culubas.blogspot.com/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html
1784 2011-05-26 16:15:52 <zef> hmm
1785 2011-05-26 16:16:09 <zef> how would a party validate what keys i own if they wanted to verify previous transactions
1786 2011-05-26 16:16:18 <zef> with out giving them access directly to my wallet
1787 2011-05-26 16:16:33 <CIA-103> bitcoin: various * r08e578..8f0b58 mining-proxy/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (5 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3e4wm38
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1789 2011-05-26 16:16:39 <sipa> zef: they only need your public key to do that
1790 2011-05-26 16:16:45 <sipa> and that's included in the inputs
1791 2011-05-26 16:16:56 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: pong
1792 2011-05-26 16:17:03 * jgarzik wakes up
1793 2011-05-26 16:17:31 <zef> right, but if i send someone btc, i dont have the key i sent it from
1794 2011-05-26 16:17:37 <BlueMatt> arg...now I dont remember what I wanted to discuss...
1795 2011-05-26 16:17:55 <zef> at least thats not available to me in any obvious way
1796 2011-05-26 16:18:08 <sipa> zef: to send, you need the private key of the address the funds were sent to before
1797 2011-05-26 16:18:18 <BlueMatt> ah, jgarzik, do you happen to know if any distros aside from fedora/rhel strip the ecc stuff out of openssl?
1798 2011-05-26 16:18:22 <zef> right, but that has nothing to do with a key i own
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1800 2011-05-26 16:18:59 <zef> i cant choose what key i send money from in the current client
1801 2011-05-26 16:19:32 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: no
1802 2011-05-26 16:19:34 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 266000
1803 2011-05-26 16:19:36 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 266000 Khps, given current difficulty of 244139.48158254 , is 6 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 59 minutes, and 56 seconds
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1805 2011-05-26 16:19:59 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: do you happen to know any specifics aside from "copyright concerns"?
1806 2011-05-26 16:20:15 <sipa> i believe it's patent concerns, not copyright
1807 2011-05-26 16:20:17 <sipa> no?
1808 2011-05-26 16:20:20 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: patent, not copyright
1809 2011-05-26 16:20:28 <BlueMatt> meh, same thing...essentially
1810 2011-05-26 16:20:34 <jeremid> crowcaine
1811 2011-05-26 16:20:37 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: no, not really :)
1812 2011-05-26 16:20:41 <sipa> not at all, but not let's go into that
1813 2011-05-26 16:20:47 * BlueMatt doesnt pay attention to the differences in words, even if they are very different in use
1814 2011-05-26 16:21:14 <zef> lets say for instance blockexplorer wanted to give you the option of finding your transactions on the website
1815 2011-05-26 16:21:17 <BlueMatt> all falls under copyright system
1816 2011-05-26 16:21:30 <zef> so u would need to somehow provide them with all your keys
1817 2011-05-26 16:21:40 <zef> is there a way to automate this process with out compromising the wallet
1818 2011-05-26 16:21:42 <sipa> no, all falls under the intellectual property laws
1819 2011-05-26 16:21:50 <zef> or with out manually inputting every key
1820 2011-05-26 16:21:53 <sipa> but patents and copyright are completely separate things
1821 2011-05-26 16:22:00 <BlueMatt> as I said, /me doesnt pay attention to the names...
1822 2011-05-26 16:22:14 <BlueMatt> but its all ip law, same offices, typically written in the same laws/bill...
1823 2011-05-26 16:22:29 <BlueMatt> different applications on different properties
1824 2011-05-26 16:23:52 <Diablo-D3> hey
1825 2011-05-26 16:23:58 <Diablo-D3> whos a forum mod?
1826 2011-05-26 16:24:12 <Diablo-D3> because someone needs to get all the fucking shit out of the mining sub-forum
1827 2011-05-26 16:24:22 <Diablo-D3> theres too many useless threads, and nothing of value is stickied
1828 2011-05-26 16:25:19 <Diablo-D3> or just lock it so no one can create new threads.
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1830 2011-05-26 16:25:43 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|jgarzik,  a couple of days ago i've put in a pull request on github for python-bitcoinrpc,  was that of use at all?  i may have a couple more like them
1831 2011-05-26 16:26:03 <Xenland> where jgarzik at?
1832 2011-05-26 16:26:17 <Diablo-D3> afk apparently
1833 2011-05-26 16:26:23 <Xenland> lol
1834 2011-05-26 16:26:31 <jgarzik> Xenland: ?
1835 2011-05-26 16:26:34 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Chris Howie * r15c9956fc5c0 mining-proxy/ (INSTALL README.markdown): Move INSTALL to README.markdown and add section on upgrading http://tinyurl.com/3nnym77
1836 2011-05-26 16:26:40 <Xenland> any reason why my sharelog in pushpool would out out ?,?,?,?,? in my mysql database
1837 2011-05-26 16:26:53 <Xenland> just questions marks no data
1838 2011-05-26 16:27:22 <BlueMatt> arg wtf...why does opensuse not have db_cxx-devel, they have c devel and db_cxx lib, but no cxx devel...wtf?
1839 2011-05-26 16:27:34 <Xenland> INSERT INTO shares (rem_host, username, our_result, upstream_result, reason, solution) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?);
1840 2011-05-26 16:27:42 <Xenland> Thats mysql query its running everytime
1841 2011-05-26 16:27:55 <jgarzik> Marcel|HSD: merged
1842 2011-05-26 16:27:57 <BlueMatt> FunkyPenguin: where is libdb_cxx-devel?
1843 2011-05-26 16:28:03 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: who are mods on the forum?
1844 2011-05-26 16:28:12 <jgarzik> Marcel|HSD: any chance you would be willing to work up a patch for https://github.com/jgarzik/python-bitcoinrpc/issues/1 ?
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1846 2011-05-26 16:28:41 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|jgarzik, sure, i'll have a look
1847 2011-05-26 16:28:43 <jeremid> should there be a patch for peer time
1848 2011-05-26 16:29:25 <jeremid> i can put one up and test it
1849 2011-05-26 16:29:43 <jgarzik> jeremid: patches are always welcome
1850 2011-05-26 16:30:07 <jeremid> no wi just need to figure out how to get on testnet hehe
1851 2011-05-26 16:30:17 <jeremid> i know thers an option for that
1852 2011-05-26 16:34:02 <jgarzik> jeremid: -testnet
1853 2011-05-26 16:34:07 <jgarzik> whee
1854 2011-05-26 16:34:12 * jgarzik buys a Kill A Watt meter
1855 2011-05-26 16:34:19 <jgarzik> let's see how much we're _really_ drawing
1856 2011-05-26 16:34:34 <jeremid> nice thx jgarzik
1857 2011-05-26 16:34:42 <BlueMatt> you mine jgarzik?
1858 2011-05-26 16:35:06 <diki> now let's try and fake a tx
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1860 2011-05-26 16:35:26 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: outside of BMA?  Yeah.  Just built a 2x5870 rig.
1861 2011-05-26 16:35:44 <someGuy> Hi there, I just want to know if bitcoin has an api?
1862 2011-05-26 16:35:56 <jgarzik> someGuy: yes
1863 2011-05-26 16:36:02 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: bma?
1864 2011-05-26 16:36:12 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: Bitcoin Mining Assocation
1865 2011-05-26 16:36:22 <someGuy> And is it secure? Soz, couldn't find any info on the site
1866 2011-05-26 16:36:33 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ?
1867 2011-05-26 16:36:37 <Namegduf> "secure" in what way?
1868 2011-05-26 16:36:45 <Namegduf> For what application?
1869 2011-05-26 16:37:01 <Namegduf> It can use SSL, although most apps don't seem to support it
1870 2011-05-26 16:37:14 <someGuy> Can it be hacked? Such as a user transferring cash for bitcoin on my site and getting more bitcoin than they should
1871 2011-05-26 16:37:30 <Namegduf> "no"
1872 2011-05-26 16:37:37 <diki> if you code your site improperly, why not
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1874 2011-05-26 16:37:53 <Namegduf> Someone has bitcoins based on the number of bitcoins the bitcoin network says they have.
1875 2011-05-26 16:38:17 <Namegduf> The only way to make something that tells the bitcoin network to give coins from one of your addresses to one of theirs
1876 2011-05-26 16:38:21 <Namegduf> Is using your private key
1877 2011-05-26 16:38:49 <diki> just dont hide it under the carpet, cause it aint private there :P
1878 2011-05-26 16:39:00 <Namegduf> There is no central server to be "hacked" and no authentication aside the key you hold to be tricked.
1879 2011-05-26 16:39:08 <someGuy> @Namegduf is there anywhere I can go to view documentation on the api?
1880 2011-05-26 16:39:17 <Namegduf> someGuy: Bitcoin the protocol does not have an "API"
1881 2011-05-26 16:39:22 <Namegduf> It has protocol documentation
1882 2011-05-26 16:39:23 <FunkyPenguin> BlueMatt: currently openSUSE's libdb4_8 doesnt have the c++ bindings, a bug has been filed to fix it https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=696332
1883 2011-05-26 16:39:30 <Namegduf> Bitcoin the software project has an RPC API
1884 2011-05-26 16:39:39 <Namegduf> Not sure where docs on that are, but they should be somewhere.
1885 2011-05-26 16:40:02 <someGuy> so I should look for protocol documentation?
1886 2011-05-26 16:40:07 <BlueMatt> FunkyPenguin: is there a reason for that? I mean that is a fairly large major bug?
1887 2011-05-26 16:40:24 <sipa> someGuy: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification
1888 2011-05-26 16:40:28 <FunkyPenguin> not aware atm
1889 2011-05-26 16:40:55 <Namegduf> "OpenSUSE is terrible"
1890 2011-05-26 16:40:56 <someGuy> @sipa thanks
1891 2011-05-26 16:41:03 <Namegduf> :P
1892 2011-05-26 16:41:12 <diki> ...is what you'd like to say
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1895 2011-05-26 16:41:41 <FunkyPenguin> Namegduf: each to their own ;)
1896 2011-05-26 16:42:06 <BlueMatt> Namegduf: I agree, Im just looking at building on it...
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1900 2011-05-26 16:44:57 <someGuy> ok...I'm confused again...How does a user "buy" bitcoin?
1901 2011-05-26 16:45:07 <Namegduf> "from another user" at the end of the day
1902 2011-05-26 16:45:08 <jeremid> mtgox
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1904 2011-05-26 16:45:22 <Namegduf> But there are various exchanges that exist, the biggest of which is MtGox.
1905 2011-05-26 16:45:47 <Namegduf> At which the parties send money and bitcoins to the exchange and trade between accounts instantly
1906 2011-05-26 16:46:16 <Xenland> Anyone been using pushpool with sharelogs?
1907 2011-05-26 16:46:42 <Xenland> My share logs all out put "?" in the mysql data
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1912 2011-05-26 16:48:41 <diki> hmm all my txes on testnet seems to have turned to orpahns
1913 2011-05-26 16:48:45 <diki> *orphans
1914 2011-05-26 16:48:51 <someGuy> Is there a way that users could change their currency to bitcoin in my application?
1915 2011-05-26 16:48:58 <diki> I've been a bad father..
1916 2011-05-26 16:49:02 <Xenland> jgarzik: how does one know when the block has been solved?
1917 2011-05-26 16:50:09 <Xenland> (in push pool)
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1919 2011-05-26 16:51:03 <diki> a share with upstream_result Y and our_result Y is inserted
1920 2011-05-26 16:51:31 <diki> in the db
1921 2011-05-26 16:54:40 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1922 2011-05-26 16:54:40 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.33,"low":7.241,"vol":69873,"buy":8.5109,"sell":8.6481,"last":8.5108}}
1923 2011-05-26 16:54:45 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|jgarzik,  patch done, includes pull request
1924 2011-05-26 16:54:45 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
1925 2011-05-26 16:54:47 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126982 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 25 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 58 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 434449.51908445
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1934 2011-05-26 16:57:29 <diki> so if the block is an orphan or simply invalid, will i still be able to see it in listransactions?
1935 2011-05-26 16:57:39 <diki> *if a block
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1941 2011-05-26 17:02:34 <BlueMatt> is there a reason bitcoin uses dynamically linked libeay?
1942 2011-05-26 17:02:38 <BlueMatt> instead of static
1943 2011-05-26 17:02:54 <ArtForz> oh god
1944 2011-05-26 17:02:58 <ArtForz> not this again
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1946 2011-05-26 17:03:38 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: what?
1947 2011-05-26 17:03:51 <BlueMatt> care to explain?
1948 2011-05-26 17:04:34 <diki> maybe he was referring to a wet dream?
1949 2011-05-26 17:05:05 <diki> :P
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1951 2011-05-26 17:05:29 <BlueMatt> Im assuming there is a reason why bitcoin dynamically links openssl and I havent seen it...
1952 2011-05-26 17:05:43 <sipa> security updates to openssl?
1953 2011-05-26 17:05:56 <BlueMatt> we would still have to ship a new bitcoin
1954 2011-05-26 17:06:08 <ArtForz> err... why?
1955 2011-05-26 17:06:29 <BlueMatt> because we ship our own libeay32 which is in the Bitcoin folder
1956 2011-05-26 17:06:37 <BlueMatt> hence it is always loaded before any system libs
1957 2011-05-26 17:06:48 <BlueMatt> (Im talking about win32 here)
1958 2011-05-26 17:06:51 <sipa> ah
1959 2011-05-26 17:07:01 <ArtForz> arg, who the fuck does that shit?
1960 2011-05-26 17:07:05 <sipa> in that case i don't have an explanation
1961 2011-05-26 17:07:08 <ArtForz> yeah
1962 2011-05-26 17:07:12 <ArtForz> that makes no fucking sense
1963 2011-05-26 17:07:15 <BlueMatt> no, I have a pull request which changes all the links except for miniupnp to dynamic
1964 2011-05-26 17:07:16 * ersi facepalms
1965 2011-05-26 17:07:25 <BlueMatt> (on unix)
1966 2011-05-26 17:07:47 <BlueMatt> as why we are static linking openssl/boost/bdb/etc I dont have a clue
1967 2011-05-26 17:08:04 <johnnympereira5> is there much of a difference with the amount of hashs/s generated between running in windows and in a linux os
1968 2011-05-26 17:08:14 <BlueMatt> ok, well then on 0.3.22, Im gonna static link openssl and turn on ssl for win32 rpc...unless there are complaints?
1969 2011-05-26 17:08:45 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ^
1970 2011-05-26 17:09:36 <Diablo-D3> sipa, bluematt
1971 2011-05-26 17:09:42 <Diablo-D3> who are the forum mods, and why am I not one
1972 2011-05-26 17:09:54 <BlueMatt> ...because you would ban everyone in a matter of days?
1973 2011-05-26 17:10:04 <BlueMatt> anyway, Im not one either, I just know gavin is
1974 2011-05-26 17:10:19 <Diablo-D3> well gavin needs to do his fucking job
1975 2011-05-26 17:10:26 <Diablo-D3> sticky the fucking relevant threads in mining already
1976 2011-05-26 17:10:52 <BlueMatt> not really gavin's job, ie he just has it to have admin, not to actually bother with it
1977 2011-05-26 17:10:59 <BlueMatt> we need dedicated mods though
1978 2011-05-26 17:11:09 <hybriz_> 20:56 <@BlueMatt> instead of static
1979 2011-05-26 17:11:11 <hybriz_> what's the problem =?
1980 2011-05-26 17:11:15 <hybriz_> security wise is the same
1981 2011-05-26 17:11:18 <diki>  <Diablo-D3> and why am I not one <- maybe you forgot to tip a few blocks to the admins?
1982 2011-05-26 17:11:18 <hybriz_> you can do return 2 libc
1983 2011-05-26 17:11:21 <hybriz_> return 2 code
1984 2011-05-26 17:11:23 <BlueMatt> hybriz_: none, its just easier
1985 2011-05-26 17:11:27 <hybriz_> on static AND dlinked binaries
1986 2011-05-26 17:11:27 <hybriz_> ah ok
1987 2011-05-26 17:11:34 <erbs> gavin is awesome.. hasnt he and the other devs already created a $50 million open source economy out of thin air?
1988 2011-05-26 17:11:36 <BlueMatt> instead of shipping bitcoin+a dll, we just ship bitcoin
1989 2011-05-26 17:11:36 <Diablo-D3> diki: dude, if it wasnt for software like mine, no one would have blocks
1990 2011-05-26 17:11:48 <Diablo-D3> erbs: ahem, I AM OTHER DEVS
1991 2011-05-26 17:11:52 * diki laughs
1992 2011-05-26 17:11:59 <erbs> well thank you Diablo-D3 :)
1993 2011-05-26 17:12:15 <diki> Oh wow, seems diablominer is the only miner, oh noez...
1994 2011-05-26 17:12:45 <hybriz_> so Diablo-D3 is responsible for the dificulty level beeing this high.... :x
1995 2011-05-26 17:12:59 <diki> Yeah, cause his miner is effing great :P
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1997 2011-05-26 17:13:19 <erbs> i think diff will always be high. because there's a "long tail" of ppl who have spare cards / free time / free electricity / etc
1998 2011-05-26 17:13:28 <hybriz_> i hope the USD$ rate for BTC is increasing due to this dificulty increase :P
1999 2011-05-26 17:13:34 <hybriz_> yeah, i guess
2000 2011-05-26 17:13:39 <diki> i dont have free electricity but i am sitll jumping in
2001 2011-05-26 17:13:45 <hybriz_> i have free electricity :P and free MPI clusters lol
2002 2011-05-26 17:13:49 <diki> one 5850 paid the bill like 3 times already
2003 2011-05-26 17:13:55 <erbs> nice
2004 2011-05-26 17:14:00 <erbs> livin the dream!! :)
2005 2011-05-26 17:14:09 <erbs> i would love for my gpu to pay the bills hehe
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2007 2011-05-26 17:14:14 <diki> second 5850 while increasing the power consumption with a lightbulb and a half...
2008 2011-05-26 17:14:21 <diki> gets me more
2009 2011-05-26 17:14:28 <diki> but i am going to get a 6950
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2011 2011-05-26 17:14:53 <diki> but not the one with the extra shaders
2012 2011-05-26 17:15:16 <BlueMatt> is the list of pull requests messed up on github for everyone else?
2013 2011-05-26 17:15:22 <Xenland> any one use pushpool in here?
2014 2011-05-26 17:15:36 <hybriz_> nanotube: u know who operates mybitcoin.com ?
2015 2011-05-26 17:15:41 <hybriz_> i found a few vulns that have user impact
2016 2011-05-26 17:15:51 <hybriz_> and i tried contacting the owner to fix it but go no reply
2017 2011-05-26 17:15:52 <BlueMatt> hybriz_: its mybitcoin, no one knows more than that...
2018 2011-05-26 17:15:58 <hybriz_> k
2019 2011-05-26 17:16:03 <BlueMatt> and the owners appear to have disappeared
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2021 2011-05-26 17:16:17 <hybriz_> guess i'll give him a week to reply and then just publish the vulns on full-disclosure mailling list
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2024 2011-05-26 17:17:02 <erbs> the pwners are gone? hmmm
2025 2011-05-26 17:17:05 <erbs> i have some coins there..
2026 2011-05-26 17:17:34 <erbs> hope i dont have nay problem sending coins
2027 2011-05-26 17:18:01 <SerajewelKS> hybriz_: difficulty increase does not cause price increase
2028 2011-05-26 17:18:06 <SerajewelKS> value* increase
2029 2011-05-26 17:18:07 <diki> xenland?
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2031 2011-05-26 17:18:12 <SerajewelKS> hybriz_: value increase causes difficulty increase
2032 2011-05-26 17:18:37 <Xenland> diki: my sharelogs only out put ?,?,?,?,?, in the MySql database
2033 2011-05-26 17:18:45 <diki> whaat?
2034 2011-05-26 17:18:58 <diki> they should be binded by the functions
2035 2011-05-26 17:19:17 <Xenland> If by functions you mean json data?
2036 2011-05-26 17:19:24 <diki> no bind_param etc
2037 2011-05-26 17:19:35 <Xenland> here is my sharelog query
2038 2011-05-26 17:19:36 <Xenland> stmt.sharelog":"INSERT INTO shares (rem_host, username, our_result, upstream_result, reason, solution) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
2039 2011-05-26 17:19:36 <hybriz_> erbs: if they dont fix the issue, i'd advise to take coins out of there :P
2040 2011-05-26 17:19:37 <diki> where every question mark is replaced by the field
2041 2011-05-26 17:19:52 <diki> this VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?) is handled by the code further inside
2042 2011-05-26 17:20:02 <Xenland> thats what i thought
2043 2011-05-26 17:20:05 <diki> every question mark is replaced with a valid value
2044 2011-05-26 17:20:13 <diki> ...or should be in your case
2045 2011-05-26 17:20:19 <Xenland> but its uploading the data as "?"
2046 2011-05-26 17:20:31 <Ramen> if it's anything like java
2047 2011-05-26 17:20:32 <Xenland> any thoughts? bad compile maybe?
2048 2011-05-26 17:20:40 <Ramen> you need to set the parameter values
2049 2011-05-26 17:20:41 <SerajewelKS> Xenland: ? is a statement parameter
2050 2011-05-26 17:20:52 <Ramen> it's a preparedstatement?
2051 2011-05-26 17:20:57 <SerajewelKS> Xenland: if you don't supply any statement parameters, they will be either NULL or trigger a syntax error
2052 2011-05-26 17:21:13 <diki> lol...
2053 2011-05-26 17:21:22 <diki> pushpool supplies the valid value
2054 2011-05-26 17:21:25 <diki> *(s)
2055 2011-05-26 17:21:48 <Xenland> So pushpool "should" be input the values instead of "?" correct?
2056 2011-05-26 17:21:53 <diki> yup
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2058 2011-05-26 17:22:21 <Xenland> diki: is there any depencdencies that might have been over looked that would cause such a problem?
2059 2011-05-26 17:22:38 <diki> if you have i believe you would have gotten an error
2060 2011-05-26 17:22:47 <diki> but i am not sure
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2062 2011-05-26 17:23:02 <Xenland> diki: thats what i was thinking.
2063 2011-05-26 17:23:13 <Xenland> but it was indeed a good compile
2064 2011-05-26 17:23:34 <diki> are the fields the same as the ones displayed in stmt.sharelog?
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2066 2011-05-26 17:23:48 <diki> rem_host, username etc
2067 2011-05-26 17:23:59 <Xenland> indeed, i copy and pasted the query into phpMyAdmin and the query is fine
2068 2011-05-26 17:24:17 <Xenland> imm gonna try again just in case
2069 2011-05-26 17:24:41 <diki> you have libmysql-dev right>
2070 2011-05-26 17:24:55 <Xenland> let me check
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2072 2011-05-26 17:26:12 <Xenland> there isn't such a package on ubuntu but i found that i "dont" have libmysqld-dev
2073 2011-05-26 17:26:24 <Xenland> im sure thats what you were talking about huh?
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2075 2011-05-26 17:27:21 <diki> erm...in the config file, what is your engine set at?
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2078 2011-05-26 17:27:37 <Xenland> engine: "mysql"
2079 2011-05-26 17:27:56 <Xenland> I can login fine, its just the sharelog that breaks
2080 2011-05-26 17:28:36 <diki> What is your db structure like>
2081 2011-05-26 17:28:42 <diki> ?
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2083 2011-05-26 17:29:45 <Xenland> Yea, i just checked, it dosen't let users with wrong username or password connect. but does allow users with the right login details to connect. (so login works fine)... oh my datastructure its like this
2084 2011-05-26 17:30:11 <Xenland> (id,rem_host,username,out_result,upstream_result,reason,solution)
2085 2011-05-26 17:30:20 <diki> datatypes?
2086 2011-05-26 17:30:30 <jgarzik> Marcel|HSD: thanks!
2087 2011-05-26 17:30:34 <Xenland> and there all set to "LONGTEXT" except for "id"
2088 2011-05-26 17:30:36 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|np
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2090 2011-05-26 17:30:40 <diki> wroong...
2091 2011-05-26 17:30:43 <Xenland> ahh
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2093 2011-05-26 17:30:54 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: static linkages means more portable binary -- at the expense of security updates
2094 2011-05-26 17:30:55 <Xenland> what should be they be set too?
2095 2011-05-26 17:30:56 <diki> i am talking about optimizations here.
2096 2011-05-26 17:31:09 <Xenland> ehh?
2097 2011-05-26 17:31:10 <diki> our_result and upstream_result will always be either Y or N or Null
2098 2011-05-26 17:31:13 <diki> lol netsplit
2099 2011-05-26 17:31:24 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: theoretically a statically linked binary should work on almost any linux, old or new
2100 2011-05-26 17:31:27 <diki> so you need to set it up as enum y,n
2101 2011-05-26 17:31:39 <diki> and make it NULL
2102 2011-05-26 17:32:04 <diki> id-since sometimes shares exceed one million rows
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2104 2011-05-26 17:32:35 <diki> basically you need to prepare it for multi-billion rows
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2106 2011-05-26 17:33:16 <Xenland> what should the length be for ENUM?
2107 2011-05-26 17:33:24 <Xenland> ENUM datatypes*
2108 2011-05-26 17:33:29 <diki> Xenland do you have a server for pushpool?
2109 2011-05-26 17:33:38 <Xenland> i have bitcoind
2110 2011-05-26 17:33:46 <diki> enum...dont set any just enum 'y','n and set it as null'
2111 2011-05-26 17:34:04 <diki> i mean the computer that will host pushpool
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2113 2011-05-26 17:34:24 <Xenland> diki: i'll be purchasing a VPS soon
2114 2011-05-26 17:34:29 <Xenland> but no
2115 2011-05-26 17:34:33 <diki> is a vps going to be enough?
2116 2011-05-26 17:34:46 <diki> 1GB ram will hardly suffice imo
2117 2011-05-26 17:35:04 <Xenland> it works until i have money to upgrade, Im mostly trying to figure this out so i can get the bounty for the opensource front end pushpool
2118 2011-05-26 17:35:16 <Xenland> Then start a mining farm maybe
2119 2011-05-26 17:35:20 <diki> you are making a front end?
2120 2011-05-26 17:35:26 <Xenland> diki: yes
2121 2011-05-26 17:35:32 <diki> language?
2122 2011-05-26 17:35:35 <Xenland> PHP
2123 2011-05-26 17:35:39 <diki> cool, me too
2124 2011-05-26 17:35:50 <Xenland> nice
2125 2011-05-26 17:36:00 <diki> how far have you progressed?
2126 2011-05-26 17:36:09 <diki> I am still tweaking the db structure
2127 2011-05-26 17:36:25 <diki> cause a shares table and users will hardly suffice ;)
2128 2011-05-26 17:36:49 <Xenland> ehh, not so far i just need the DB to work so i can see the shares results. then i can figure out what i want to do with the data
2129 2011-05-26 17:37:17 <diki> so solution should be...varchar or char 255
2130 2011-05-26 17:37:26 <diki> varchar if the lenght would vary
2131 2011-05-26 17:37:31 <diki> char is for fixed
2132 2011-05-26 17:37:32 <ersi> Yeah, since everyone will storm over to Dikis-pool-in-a-vm-on-a-desktop.com. Those users gonna brutally rape your database maaan
2133 2011-05-26 17:37:35 <Xenland> So when you say set ENUM to 'y','n' what does that mean?
2134 2011-05-26 17:37:58 <Xenland> ersi: :O
2135 2011-05-26 17:38:16 <Xenland> set the length/value to 'y','n'?
2136 2011-05-26 17:38:21 <diki> yeah
2137 2011-05-26 17:38:27 <diki> and also check it as null
2138 2011-05-26 17:38:33 <diki> since pushpool inserts null values
2139 2011-05-26 17:38:52 <diki> on some of them
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2141 2011-05-26 17:39:52 <Xenland> ahh
2142 2011-05-26 17:40:05 <Xenland> are those the only wierd ones?
2143 2011-05-26 17:40:24 <Xenland> can i leave everything LONGTEXT for now until i figure out what data is sent. i just need to get it running
2144 2011-05-26 17:41:00 <Xenland> Why are you making a front-end if you don't mind me asking?
2145 2011-05-26 17:41:03 <diki> you will never need longtext
2146 2011-05-26 17:41:29 <diki> the only data that is long is the solution which is 255 bytes i.e 255 characters
2147 2011-05-26 17:41:39 <diki> longtext is for waaay lots of text
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2149 2011-05-26 17:42:04 <diki> so much text that even TEXT can't handle
2150 2011-05-26 17:42:05 <Xenland> okay, that makes sense.
2151 2011-05-26 17:42:11 <Xenland> lol
2152 2011-05-26 17:42:27 <diki> that is when you should use longtext
2153 2011-05-26 17:42:34 <diki> but in pushpool..nothing like that exists
2154 2011-05-26 17:43:03 <diki> rem_host is for IP addresses in ipv4/ipv6 format
2155 2011-05-26 17:43:36 <Xenland> arrg, now it says mysql sharelog failed at execute
2156 2011-05-26 17:43:46 <diki> right track at least
2157 2011-05-26 17:44:05 <diki> when you fix all the fields it will start inserting
2158 2011-05-26 17:44:28 <pwrcycle> Xenland: did you find any links/walkthroughs for pushpool?
2159 2011-05-26 17:44:40 <Xenland> before it was inserting, but it would insert "?" and not data
2160 2011-05-26 17:44:44 <Xenland> now it won't insert
2161 2011-05-26 17:45:20 <Xenland> pwrcycle: Im working on a detailed walkthrough for installing on Ubuntu so others can get mine and diki's frontend interface working with out much effort
2162 2011-05-26 17:45:29 <diki> i will post you my table
2163 2011-05-26 17:45:56 <Xenland> cool
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2165 2011-05-26 17:47:25 <diki> try this one http://pastebin.com/41sNpnRR
2166 2011-05-26 17:47:33 <pwrcycle> Xenland: let me know when you get something together. it's on my todo list.  maybe this weekend.
2167 2011-05-26 17:48:37 <Xenland> pwrcycle: I'll keep you posted, I'll have some info by them im sure
2168 2011-05-26 17:48:44 <Xenland> is pwrcycle your forum name as well?
2169 2011-05-26 17:48:51 <Xenland> then*
2170 2011-05-26 17:49:17 <diki> just need to apply a small fix for the time field
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2172 2011-05-26 17:49:50 <diki> this one http://pastebin.com/38mQw5FD
2173 2011-05-26 17:49:54 <pwrcycle> Xenland: i don't think i have a forum name yet, just been reading.
2174 2011-05-26 17:50:11 <diki> drop the old table before running this one
2175 2011-05-26 17:50:22 <Xenland> pwrcycle: yeah just find me on the IRC chat and i'll help you out this weekend
2176 2011-05-26 17:50:41 <Xenland> diki:thanks, testing now.....
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2178 2011-05-26 17:51:54 <Xenland> diki:Dude, your a genuiues!!
2179 2011-05-26 17:52:09 <Xenland> diki: i don't know why but that worked
2180 2011-05-26 17:52:29 <Xenland> diki: thanks mate
2181 2011-05-26 17:53:11 <Xenland> ahhh. it might have been the capital "Y", "N"
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2183 2011-05-26 17:54:33 <diki> Xenland, mysql dies with just 300k of rows
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2185 2011-05-26 17:54:48 <diki> you will need a dedi host for it with a minimum of 8GB of ram just for mysql
2186 2011-05-26 17:55:07 <Xenland> diki: are you kidding me?
2187 2011-05-26 17:55:11 <diki> no i am not
2188 2011-05-26 17:55:22 <diki> mine died when i simulated 300k
2189 2011-05-26 17:55:40 <Xenland> when you say died, like mysql stops responding?
2190 2011-05-26 17:55:49 <diki> and every person i asked...for a multi-billion row table you will need a dedicated mysql host
2191 2011-05-26 17:56:03 <Pilate> ive got a dev machine at work here with 2gb of ram handling a table with >900k rows
2192 2011-05-26 17:56:05 <diki> when i say that it means CPU usage was at it's peak
2193 2011-05-26 17:56:17 <diki> Pilate, in our case it will be more
2194 2011-05-26 17:56:32 <diki> 1 million per block, lucky days it could be less
2195 2011-05-26 17:56:51 <diki> look at slush or deepbit and their total shares per round
2196 2011-05-26 17:57:13 <Pilate> yeah, im saying a 300k limit means youre probably setup wrong
2197 2011-05-26 17:57:19 <Pilate> 300k isnt shit
2198 2011-05-26 17:57:23 <Xenland> diki: wow, this is alot of money to be involved to get a pool running
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2200 2011-05-26 17:57:30 <diki> prolly
2201 2011-05-26 17:57:33 <Xenland> dedicated servers cost atleast $100+
2202 2011-05-26 17:57:47 <erbs> cervix
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2204 2011-05-26 17:58:32 <Xenland> So if "our_result" = "N" i should count that share as invalid/stale
2205 2011-05-26 17:58:33 <diki> either way, you are looking at quite the Xk rows per round
2206 2011-05-26 17:59:21 <diki> i believe so, xenland
2207 2011-05-26 17:59:32 <Xenland> diki: :)
2208 2011-05-26 17:59:49 <diki> are you sure a VPS can handle that much load?
2209 2011-05-26 18:00:03 <lebish> i agree VPSs would get destroyed by a pool
2210 2011-05-26 18:00:32 <lebish> just seeing the little i have from the outside from btcguild and their growing pains, a VPS would get demolished
2211 2011-05-26 18:01:02 <Xenland> I agree after hearing that 8gb ram story
2212 2011-05-26 18:01:06 <bd_> lebish: eh, it's not impossible if you shard it well
2213 2011-05-26 18:01:09 <erbs> ec2?
2214 2011-05-26 18:01:19 <erbs> they now have free instances
2215 2011-05-26 18:01:36 <Xenland> diki: are you trying to start your own pool?
2216 2011-05-26 18:01:37 <lebish> if it's sharded super smart, but then i have no idea how you're going to get the whole pool working together
2217 2011-05-26 18:01:46 <bd_> lebish: there's no need to have the share list available immediately when the block is found, just issue the block into the network immediately and spend the next 6 hours sorting the share logs offline
2218 2011-05-26 18:02:04 <lebish> ha, that's certainly one way
2219 2011-05-26 18:02:18 <lebish> i'm not sure it's better than just spending 100$ a month on a dedicated box
2220 2011-05-26 18:02:33 <bd_> lebish: Well, say we have N pool hosts. Each client is assigned to one pool host and sends its shares there. When a block is issued, each share host immediately rotates logs. Then a background thread goes and counts up how much BTC should be disbursed to each client.
2221 2011-05-26 18:02:35 <luke-jr> bd_: unless it's Eligius :P
2222 2011-05-26 18:02:42 <erbs> eligius++
2223 2011-05-26 18:02:47 <bd_> These disbursals are then sent to a central wallet host to be issued when the block matures
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2225 2011-05-26 18:03:17 <bd_> also, for the same reason you don't really need your entire db in RAM
2226 2011-05-26 18:03:17 <diki> i've thought of splitting the load between a few tables while i sort and prepare the previous
2227 2011-05-26 18:03:20 <lebish> that'd work for sure
2228 2011-05-26 18:03:25 <bd_> you can really get away with a flat file log and batch processing
2229 2011-05-26 18:03:29 <lebish> which leads me to ask why isn't bitcoin processing one giant pool?
2230 2011-05-26 18:03:32 <diki> bd: bitcoin, mysql and apache will eat a lot of ram
2231 2011-05-26 18:03:41 <diki> some people claim bitcoin eating 900 ram or so
2232 2011-05-26 18:03:47 <lebish> where shares of work are submitted to the network for verification and you get 0.00003 btc or whatever it is right now
2233 2011-05-26 18:03:53 <luke-jr> bd_: Eligius needs to process the shares every getwork ;)
2234 2011-05-26 18:04:18 <bd_> diki: You only need one bitcoin client, to compute the transaction merkle tree... the rest of the hosts can just act as a relay point
2235 2011-05-26 18:04:22 <bd_> luke-jr: hm?
2236 2011-05-26 18:04:36 <luke-jr> bd_: every single getwork request, Eligius processes the share db
2237 2011-05-26 18:04:42 <bd_> luke-jr: ... why?
2238 2011-05-26 18:04:49 <luke-jr> bd_: it's necessary to payout in the same block
2239 2011-05-26 18:04:55 <bd_> ahh.
2240 2011-05-26 18:05:33 <bd_> seems a bit unscalable to me
2241 2011-05-26 18:05:46 <diki> i was thinking of saving the block from the shares table
2242 2011-05-26 18:05:50 <luke-jr> yes, it's having growing pains :P
2243 2011-05-26 18:05:54 <bd_> but I guess it's one way to avoid txn fees for immediate payout
2244 2011-05-26 18:05:54 <bd_> s
2245 2011-05-26 18:05:57 <diki> and truncating the table
2246 2011-05-26 18:05:58 <luke-jr> I need to do more optimization
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2248 2011-05-26 18:06:11 <luke-jr> bd_: miners get Generation ;)
2249 2011-05-26 18:06:34 <bd_> luke-jr: right, I'm just saying, this way you can payout 0.000001 BTC without paying fees on it :)
2250 2011-05-26 18:06:42 <luke-jr> right. used to.
2251 2011-05-26 18:06:47 <luke-jr> but then the miner has to pay fees to spend it
2252 2011-05-26 18:06:51 <luke-jr> so now there's a 1 BTC minimum
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2254 2011-05-26 18:07:10 <diki> Xenland still motivated for a pool?
2255 2011-05-26 18:07:44 <luke-jr> might change it to 1 ˢTBC (~0.16 BTC) soon tho
2256 2011-05-26 18:07:52 <Xenland> diki: You know it!
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2260 2011-05-26 18:09:01 <diki> Good luck with the pool then ;)
2261 2011-05-26 18:09:21 <Xenland> Thanks mate, whats market with out a little competition right?
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2263 2011-05-26 18:09:40 <Xenland> ;P
2264 2011-05-26 18:09:43 <diki> optimize where you see fit
2265 2011-05-26 18:09:56 <diki> but never use longtext if you dont need it
2266 2011-05-26 18:10:31 <Xenland> Thanks :) you've been super helpfull, and prevented me from jumping off a cliff from this mysql thing
2267 2011-05-26 18:10:37 <diki> and imo longtext is overkill
2268 2011-05-26 18:10:55 <Xenland> i was just using longtext becuase i didn't know what data was being recieved
2269 2011-05-26 18:11:11 <Xenland> either way it didnt work hah
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2272 2011-05-26 18:12:54 <jrmithdobbs> Xenland: none, i repeat NONE of the default pushpool fields should even be text
2273 2011-05-26 18:12:59 <jrmithdobbs> let alone longtext
2274 2011-05-26 18:13:33 <jrmithdobbs> Xenland: biggest one is solution and it's a varchar[256]
2275 2011-05-26 18:13:43 <diki> i measured it 255
2276 2011-05-26 18:13:53 <diki> but maybe it was truncated...
2277 2011-05-26 18:13:54 * diki ...
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2279 2011-05-26 18:14:12 <Xenland> can varchar go up to 256?
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2281 2011-05-26 18:14:21 <jrmithdobbs> of course?!
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2283 2011-05-26 18:14:29 <diki> so change solution to 256
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2286 2011-05-26 18:14:55 <diki> phew, prevented a massive problem from occuring
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2288 2011-05-26 18:15:11 <Xenland> learn somthing new every day :)
2289 2011-05-26 18:15:22 <jrmithdobbs> nah already knew diki couldn't count
2290 2011-05-26 18:15:29 <Xenland> :P
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2292 2011-05-26 18:15:47 <diki> nah, we know jrmith is an ass
2293 2011-05-26 18:16:25 <Xenland> what is cloud hosting vs managed hosting?
2294 2011-05-26 18:16:27 <jrmithdobbs> diki: so'd you figure out which section of the firefox js engine you'd copy&pasted around to make mtgox not work for you?
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2296 2011-05-26 18:16:41 <jrmithdobbs> Xenland: marketing term vs marketing term
2297 2011-05-26 18:16:51 <Xenland> lol figures
2298 2011-05-26 18:16:59 <jrmithdobbs> Xenland: depends on the provider and you basically have to ask them
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2300 2011-05-26 18:17:11 <jrmithdobbs> Xenland: usually "cloud" (shiver) reffers to a vm
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2302 2011-05-26 18:17:38 <diki> shiver before the might of google cloud
2303 2011-05-26 18:17:40 <ersi> Cloud can mean anything. Like diki's arse on a plate
2304 2011-05-26 18:18:01 <diki> or ersi's face and a knuckle sandwich
2305 2011-05-26 18:18:02 <ersi> Like "I'm using the Cloud!" actually mean "I wipe my arse and then my face!"
2306 2011-05-26 18:18:05 <Xenland> what happened to the good ol' days where you say you want a dedicated server, you tell them what you need and they say how much and then i give them the money: end of transaction
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2308 2011-05-26 18:18:16 <ersi> Xenland: It's still here.
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2310 2011-05-26 18:18:45 <ersi> Xenland: With virtualization, you get the benefit of abstraction and re-selling non-used resources
2311 2011-05-26 18:19:09 <ersi> And reselling space several times over, equals huge profits. And usually cheaper prices for the end-costumer
2312 2011-05-26 18:19:20 <ersi> Since you can cram more people on the same resources
2313 2011-05-26 18:19:47 <Xenland> so for a mining pool, that is something I wouldn't need then
2314 2011-05-26 18:19:48 <jrmithdobbs> it's basically just shared webhosting 2.0 with slightly better (in general, not endorsing any given provider's implementation) security semantics
2315 2011-05-26 18:20:09 <Xenland> scince i'll need all the resources i can get
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2317 2011-05-26 18:20:11 <jrmithdobbs> Xenland: depends on how you architect things
2318 2011-05-26 18:20:19 <Mononofu> well, I like it, since I can get a vserver for a few bucks a month
2319 2011-05-26 18:20:29 <ersi> Whatever diki says is probably a bit exaggerated (about resource use)
2320 2011-05-26 18:20:46 <jrmithdobbs> sometimes spinning up 20 vms according to load will be better/cheaper than 2 servers that are 20x as powerful as 1 of the vms
2321 2011-05-26 18:20:49 <ersi> I mean, the douchebag is probably gonna launch his own pool in his 300MB RAM VM Instance
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2323 2011-05-26 18:21:00 <diki> this is based on benchmark and what people have told me about multi-billion row tables
2324 2011-05-26 18:21:06 <Xenland> idk, that sounds pretty plausible if my mining pool is going to get big
2325 2011-05-26 18:21:15 <ersi> Sure
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2327 2011-05-26 18:21:20 <diki> my estimation is if you have deepbit like users
2328 2011-05-26 18:21:29 <diki> but even slush is fair enough
2329 2011-05-26 18:21:35 <diki> and he said he has balancers etc
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2334 2011-05-26 18:23:31 <diki> And ersi, if anyone is the douchebag, that is you
2335 2011-05-26 18:24:18 <diki> ;;bc,stats
2336 2011-05-26 18:24:20 <gribble> Current Blocks: 126998 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 9 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 42 minutes and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 433885.98336900
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2338 2011-05-26 18:24:32 <diki> d-day is close
2339 2011-05-26 18:25:09 <Xenland> I was talking my girlfriend about investing in helping me get hardware to make money....so she was intrested and then i go on about how it works and she asks, so why do we make money? So I tell her, well when we make transactions people pay us in bitcoins coins and....
2340 2011-05-26 18:25:31 <Xenland> the second i say bitcoins, she turns over and goes BITCOINS AGAIN!! this is taking over your LIFE!
2341 2011-05-26 18:25:36 <lulzplzkthx> Can someone explain this to me? http://i.imgur.com/PB2y2.png
2342 2011-05-26 18:25:42 <yasg> d-block
2343 2011-05-26 18:25:47 <yasg> d-delta
2344 2011-05-26 18:25:51 <yasg> d-delta-block-day!
2345 2011-05-26 18:25:58 <lulzplzkthx> 127,000 blocks
2346 2011-05-26 18:25:58 <lulzplzkthx> nice
2347 2011-05-26 18:26:01 <diki> yes lulz
2348 2011-05-26 18:26:04 <Xenland> She continued on how i should go to rehab or somthing becuae im addicted
2349 2011-05-26 18:26:05 <diki> you were on eligius
2350 2011-05-26 18:26:07 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: woah, awesome
2351 2011-05-26 18:26:08 <yasg> 7 more...
2352 2011-05-26 18:26:28 <lulzplzkthx> Not 7 more? o.o
2353 2011-05-26 18:26:30 <lulzplzkthx> it's exactly 127,000
2354 2011-05-26 18:26:33 <lulzplzkthx> also
2355 2011-05-26 18:26:40 <ersi> Xenland: Well, good luck. Don't put too much resources on getting resources. Running a pool is more than that.
2356 2011-05-26 18:26:46 <yasg> 7 more to d-delta-block-day
2357 2011-05-26 18:27:08 <yasg> what's the more?  budgeting, cooling, etc?
2358 2011-05-26 18:27:13 <Xenland> ersi: for sure mate, Most of my resources is getting that front end pushpool bountry
2359 2011-05-26 18:27:14 <diki> haha, lol
2360 2011-05-26 18:27:27 <Xenland> should be done by tomorrow
2361 2011-05-26 18:27:34 <diki> seriously?
2362 2011-05-26 18:27:38 <yasg> rock on Xenland
2363 2011-05-26 18:27:50 <Xenland> yasg +1 :)
2364 2011-05-26 18:27:51 <yasg> i'm slowly working on a little web interface to bitcoind
2365 2011-05-26 18:27:58 <ersi> You'll be done like a half year before diki's-super-mega-optimized-butthurt-pool is done
2366 2011-05-26 18:28:01 <ersi> :)
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2368 2011-05-26 18:28:14 <Xenland> yasg: ooh?
2369 2011-05-26 18:28:41 <yasg> it works for me on localhost.
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2371 2011-05-26 18:28:56 <diki> It seems ersi is jealous. Because i at least am working on something and you are not
2372 2011-05-26 18:28:59 <yasg> finally figured out how to *start*  bitcoind via php exec into windows platform
2373 2011-05-26 18:29:09 <Xenland> yasg: i mean what exactly does bitcoind do that you need a web interface... im kind of curious actually
2374 2011-05-26 18:29:13 <diki> yeah, i've also got exec to worry about
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2376 2011-05-26 18:29:30 <diki> yags, mind showing some code?
2377 2011-05-26 18:29:47 <diki> the exec part i mean
2378 2011-05-26 18:29:47 <ersi> diki: Our pool is already up and running, so I'm not even remotely jealous.
2379 2011-05-26 18:30:01 <diki> and whats this pool?
2380 2011-05-26 18:30:02 <Xenland> diki: exec(./bitcoind?)
2381 2011-05-26 18:30:18 <diki> xen, it needs admin access
2382 2011-05-26 18:30:28 <diki> so i will be password prompted
2383 2011-05-26 18:30:36 <ersi> l o l.
2384 2011-05-26 18:30:42 <lulzplzkthx> Can someone explain how I generated .000236 BTC?
2385 2011-05-26 18:30:43 <Xenland> run php as different group i would think anywayz
2386 2011-05-26 18:30:46 <lulzplzkthx> .0002336*
2387 2011-05-26 18:30:48 <diki> lulz, eligius
2388 2011-05-26 18:30:49 <Xenland> along with bitcoind
2389 2011-05-26 18:30:54 <lulzplzkthx> Oh, thanks.
2390 2011-05-26 18:30:56 <diki> you were on eligius a week ago
2391 2011-05-26 18:31:37 <diki> and so what is this so super magical up and running pool?
2392 2011-05-26 18:31:55 <jrmithdobbs> private, probably
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2394 2011-05-26 18:31:59 <jrmithdobbs> just like mine?
2395 2011-05-26 18:32:00 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: in theory, yes...in practice staticly linked binaries still depend on something dynamically linked, and that always causes problems...
2396 2011-05-26 18:32:09 <diki> lol
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2398 2011-05-26 18:32:19 <diki> that's all that it's gonna be
2399 2011-05-26 18:32:20 <BlueMatt> anyway...the bitcoin binary that is on the website for linux should be dynamically linked as much as possible
2400 2011-05-26 18:32:21 <diki> private
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2402 2011-05-26 18:32:41 <diki> not worth it imo
2403 2011-05-26 18:32:46 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: in practice, that means ubuntu-specific ;)
2404 2011-05-26 18:32:54 <diki> even 100 ghash is slow
2405 2011-05-26 18:33:05 <diki> even 200-300
2406 2011-05-26 18:33:10 <iera> binary doesnt matter that much if distros pick bitcoin up :)
2407 2011-05-26 18:33:15 <yasg> Xenland:  it's more what does a web interface do that you need it for bitcoind?  allow remote viewing of wallet and bunch of web tools
2408 2011-05-26 18:33:17 <jgarzik> iera: exactly
2409 2011-05-26 18:33:24 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: the static-binary is, a dynamic one just linked against wx+boost+bdb...that should be very portable
2410 2011-05-26 18:33:34 <iera> and thats the favourite solution anyway
2411 2011-05-26 18:33:34 <diki> yasg, and sending via web as well?
2412 2011-05-26 18:33:45 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: um, huh?  just the opposite.
2413 2011-05-26 18:33:48 <oneman> jgarzik, you want to put in for a bounty for an open source WebCL miner
2414 2011-05-26 18:33:50 <yasg> sure
2415 2011-05-26 18:33:51 <BlueMatt> either way linux *generic* binary shouldnt be distributed
2416 2011-05-26 18:33:54 <Xenland> yasg: keep me posted that sounds kind a usefull project
2417 2011-05-26 18:33:58 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: library versioning increases your dependency on OS, not decrease
2418 2011-05-26 18:34:01 <diki> how will you protect the wallet yasg?
2419 2011-05-26 18:34:08 <jgarzik> oneman: no
2420 2011-05-26 18:34:09 <yasg> that I'm not worrying about yet
2421 2011-05-26 18:34:12 <diki> having online access
2422 2011-05-26 18:34:15 <yasg> it's only for hosting on localhost that is locked down
2423 2011-05-26 18:34:16 <diki> a cookie being left
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2425 2011-05-26 18:34:24 <oneman> ok
2426 2011-05-26 18:34:29 <yasg> after I have some semi-workable code, I'll layer on security
2427 2011-05-26 18:34:40 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: well, in theory, library versioning shouldnt be a problem (with well-designed libraries)...not to say it isnt...
2428 2011-05-26 18:34:45 <yasg> or for hosting on testnet ;)
2429 2011-05-26 18:34:49 <diki> soon they will be encrypted btw
2430 2011-05-26 18:34:51 <BlueMatt> anyway, a linux binary causes problems either way
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2432 2011-05-26 18:35:05 <bitanarchy> How do I list the keys in my my wallet key pool?
2433 2011-05-26 18:35:05 <jgarzik> yep, the sooner the binaries go away, the better :)
2434 2011-05-26 18:35:36 <BlueMatt> well as soon as 0.4.0 comes out with wx2.8, we can get ourselves into os-repos (except for your beloved fedora)
2435 2011-05-26 18:35:44 <BlueMatt> (assuming wx2.8 gets into 0.4.0)
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2438 2011-05-26 18:36:45 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: is there a service which builds packages and creates a repo like ppa for fedora/rhel?
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2440 2011-05-26 18:38:07 <ersi> Oh, it's public and up and running.
2441 2011-05-26 18:38:15 * BlueMatt would like to see a bitcoin repo for every linux distro linked on the homepage
2442 2011-05-26 18:38:33 <diki> then link ersi?
2443 2011-05-26 18:38:45 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: few if any projects do that
2444 2011-05-26 18:39:21 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: huh? many projects do that if they want to move quicker than the os itself
2445 2011-05-26 18:39:25 <iera> gentoo has one :p
2446 2011-05-26 18:39:36 <BlueMatt> though it would be better to go directly to os-level stuff
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2448 2011-05-26 18:40:12 * BlueMatt is hoping to get bitcoin into ubuntu repos and maintain it the second wx2.8 gets merged into a stable release
2449 2011-05-26 18:41:27 <jeremid> buntun
2450 2011-05-26 18:42:10 <Mononofu> why is bitcoind and the bitcoin gui in the same project?
2451 2011-05-26 18:42:23 <Mononofu> shouldn't the gui just use rpc calls ?
2452 2011-05-26 18:42:46 <Mononofu> so they could be maintained independently
2453 2011-05-26 18:43:06 <BlueMatt> it *should* use libbitcoin...but the development time involved would be a lot of work, so it doesnt
2454 2011-05-26 18:43:39 <BlueMatt> though, hopefully, eventually, it will
2455 2011-05-26 18:43:41 <Mononofu> well, you'd still need the bitcoin daemon
2456 2011-05-26 18:43:45 <sacarlson> I'm not totaly sure but I guess the experiment yestarday on testnet created some corupted transactions in my exchange in testnet so I assume this is evedence that a low powered network is vunerable.  As I had planed to do most of my application in micro nets (very small low power groups) maybe that's not such a good idea
2457 2011-05-26 18:44:14 <Mononofu> and bitcoind already supports rpc calls, doesn't it?
2458 2011-05-26 18:44:19 <BlueMatt> Mononofu: thats the point of libbitcoin, run bitcoind and give any program that wants a nice api to handle it
2459 2011-05-26 18:44:42 <BlueMatt> that said, check out spesmilo, it does what you want
2460 2011-05-26 18:44:54 <BlueMatt> (though it is missing a couple small things that bitcoin full ui has)
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2462 2011-05-26 18:45:31 <Mononofu> BlueMatt: I guess it would we enough if the gui just used the rpc calls directly, libbitcoin can be written later on
2463 2011-05-26 18:45:35 <Mononofu> *would be
2464 2011-05-26 18:45:55 <BlueMatt> IMHO, no, running 2 binaries and trying to mange them is too much work
2465 2011-05-26 18:46:06 <BlueMatt> can cause problems for end users who dont know what they are doing
2466 2011-05-26 18:46:15 <Mononofu> eh
2467 2011-05-26 18:46:18 <Mononofu> they won't see anything
2468 2011-05-26 18:46:23 <BlueMatt> *shouldnt
2469 2011-05-26 18:46:25 <BlueMatt> but will
2470 2011-05-26 18:46:33 <Mononofu> on windows, just use batch file to start up the daemon and then the gui
2471 2011-05-26 18:46:41 <BlueMatt> lol
2472 2011-05-26 18:46:41 <Mononofu> or a small launcher application
2473 2011-05-26 18:46:56 <BlueMatt> yea, great, but it doesnt work seamlessly to the user...no matter how hard you try
2474 2011-05-26 18:46:58 <Mononofu> on linux, just use init'd
2475 2011-05-26 18:47:04 <BlueMatt> always assume the users are out to break your software
2476 2011-05-26 18:47:20 <bitanarchy> I have a small transaction in my bitcoin client, that is one day old, and still unconfirmed.... but i can find it on block explorer
2477 2011-05-26 18:47:21 <BlueMatt> and if a user assume bitcoin's cpu usage will stop when they close the program?
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2479 2011-05-26 18:47:24 <BlueMatt> complaints galore
2480 2011-05-26 18:47:35 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: how many connections?
2481 2011-05-26 18:47:49 <Mononofu> eh, you can implement it so that it automatically calls the stop rcp if the gui is closed
2482 2011-05-26 18:47:53 <bitanarchy> 2
2483 2011-05-26 18:48:03 <Mononofu> the point is it would make maintaining the source way easier
2484 2011-05-26 18:48:08 <BlueMatt> and for those who dont mind bitcoin running 24/7?
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2486 2011-05-26 18:48:24 <BlueMatt> no, that would mean we have to maintin the ui + bitcoind + launcher, instead of ui + bitcoind
2487 2011-05-26 18:48:28 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: my blocks are uptodate
2488 2011-05-26 18:48:29 <BlueMatt> the ui being simpler on the second
2489 2011-05-26 18:48:42 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: txid?
2490 2011-05-26 18:49:13 <BlueMatt> Mononofu: I agree, in theory its better, but in practice, theory never works
2491 2011-05-26 18:49:23 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: http://blockexplorer.com/t/2242LSuV1b
2492 2011-05-26 18:49:32 <jine> "difficulty" : 434882.72174970,
2493 2011-05-26 18:49:50 <Mononofu> BlueMatt: it's just basic seperation of presentation and content
2494 2011-05-26 18:50:07 <BlueMatt> Mononofu: oh, no I agree that needs done, but rpc client is not the way to do that
2495 2011-05-26 18:50:07 <jine> ! :)
2496 2011-05-26 18:50:27 <BlueMatt> libbitcoin is much better and there is no point doing a full ui, then throwing it away for libbitcoin
2497 2011-05-26 18:50:55 <Mononofu> but libbitcoin needs to communicate with the server too
2498 2011-05-26 18:51:01 <Mononofu> presumably using RPC calls
2499 2011-05-26 18:51:02 <erbs> i think the majority of future users will use a web-based wallet
2500 2011-05-26 18:51:04 <BlueMatt> libbitcoin can be the server
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2502 2011-05-26 18:51:24 <BlueMatt> erbs: I agree, but we should make a client as good as we can to support that, and that means libbitcoin
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2504 2011-05-26 18:51:38 <erbs> indeed, the cloud will use libbitcoin
2505 2011-05-26 18:51:40 <BlueMatt> and no matter what most users use, we should try to make the best client we can
2506 2011-05-26 18:51:51 <BlueMatt> (that includes gui)
2507 2011-05-26 18:51:52 <erbs> oh yeah the gui is awesome
2508 2011-05-26 18:52:03 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: Is my block chain corrupted?
2509 2011-05-26 18:52:18 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: and you have ,,bc,blocks in your client right?
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2511 2011-05-26 18:52:25 <BlueMatt> where is gribble?
2512 2011-05-26 18:52:33 <bitanarchy> 127008
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2514 2011-05-26 18:52:47 <BlueMatt> ;;ping
2515 2011-05-26 18:52:47 <gribble> pong
2516 2011-05-26 18:52:51 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,blocks
2517 2011-05-26 18:52:56 <BlueMatt> ?
2518 2011-05-26 18:53:02 <erbs> im in the clouddd
2519 2011-05-26 18:53:02 <diki> he doesnt like you :P
2520 2011-05-26 18:53:10 <BlueMatt> clearly...
2521 2011-05-26 18:53:18 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: hm, not sure, have you tried -rescan?
2522 2011-05-26 18:53:38 <sacarlson> ;;bc blocks
2523 2011-05-26 18:53:39 <bitanarchy> yes... but what does that do? It didn't take long
2524 2011-05-26 18:54:11 <diki> ;;ping
2525 2011-05-26 18:54:11 <gribble> pong
2526 2011-05-26 18:54:16 <diki> ;;pong
2527 2011-05-26 18:54:16 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: it rescans the chain for txes that are yours
2528 2011-05-26 18:54:18 <gribble> ping
2529 2011-05-26 18:54:20 <BlueMatt> lol
2530 2011-05-26 18:54:36 <gribble> 127008
2531 2011-05-26 18:54:44 <gribble> 127008
2532 2011-05-26 18:54:45 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
2533 2011-05-26 18:54:49 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: I have been playing around with wallet's, but that should not influence the block chain database
2534 2011-05-26 18:54:50 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: are you 100% sure that is the right tx?
2535 2011-05-26 18:55:00 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: which major FOSS projects produce their own rpms + debs?
2536 2011-05-26 18:55:20 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: virtualbox
2537 2011-05-26 18:55:23 <jgarzik> not just helper scripts in the repo, but actually part of their release engineering process
2538 2011-05-26 18:55:27 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: yes
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2540 2011-05-26 18:55:42 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: virtualbox tells you to install their repo
2541 2011-05-26 18:56:10 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: hm, well I dont know what to tell you, have you done any digging via bitcointools?
2542 2011-05-26 18:56:10 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gen 0.001
2543 2011-05-26 18:56:33 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: no, what is that?
2544 2011-05-26 18:56:48 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: anyway, better not to...but fedora wont let us, so that needs our own repo
2545 2011-05-26 18:57:07 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcointools
2546 2011-05-26 18:57:17 <BlueMatt> python scripts to dump out txes and blockdatabase and such
2547 2011-05-26 18:57:23 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: Maybe I should just spend the unconfirmed change... it should be fine
2548 2011-05-26 18:57:39 <BlueMatt> meh, if that works probably
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2551 2011-05-26 18:58:23 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: I did a test yesterday, where I restored an old wallet after receiving change.... the result was not good.... the change was gone
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2553 2011-05-26 18:58:53 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: huh? did you ever write up *exactly* what you did on the forums?
2554 2011-05-26 18:59:10 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 0.001 Khps, given current difficulty of 434882.7217497 , is 2.31287271322e-09 BTC per day and 0 BTC per hour.
2555 2011-05-26 18:59:10 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: actually there's several that provide the spec files and debain/ directories for the packages where someone on the dev team for the project is actually the maintainer of the package
2556 2011-05-26 18:59:20 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: I think I will do the test another time, tonight
2557 2011-05-26 18:59:38 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: also, jenkins does that
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2559 2011-05-26 18:59:44 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: yes, I do that for Project Hail.   But I noted...  <jgarzik> not just helper scripts in the repo, but actually part of their release engineering process
2560 2011-05-26 18:59:49 <jgarzik> all the big projects farm it out
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2562 2011-05-26 18:59:56 <jgarzik> they release source, others build after that
2563 2011-05-26 19:00:16 <erbs> bitcoin rules
2564 2011-05-26 19:00:18 <jgarzik> debian packagers take debian, rh packages take fedora/rhel, etc.
2565 2011-05-26 19:00:23 <BlueMatt> meh, I agree its wrong, but some oses move slowly and some projects wish to move quicker than that
2566 2011-05-26 19:00:25 <bitanarchy> The transactions fees just suck
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2568 2011-05-26 19:00:40 <jrmithdobbs> ;;bc,diff
2569 2011-05-26 19:00:49 <gribble> 434882.7217497
2570 2011-05-26 19:00:49 <jgarzik> you don't want to centralize package building.  just not scalable for the upstream release engineering team.
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2572 2011-05-26 19:01:00 <jgarzik> I _guarantee_ that trusted volunteers will appear, if you simply call for builds
2573 2011-05-26 19:01:09 <BlueMatt> thats true, but we have to for fedora
2574 2011-05-26 19:01:18 <BlueMatt> plus I dont trust people with my financial software
2575 2011-05-26 19:01:18 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: no, the rule applies generally
2576 2011-05-26 19:01:30 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: for fedora, volunteers would simply contribute to rpm fusion
2577 2011-05-26 19:01:35 <jgarzik> either way, our process remains the same
2578 2011-05-26 19:01:43 * BlueMatt hopes to become the ubuntu maintainer myself
2579 2011-05-26 19:01:47 <jeremid> http://www.pri.org/business/bitcoins-and-the-future-of-the-monetary-system4075.html
2580 2011-05-26 19:01:47 <jeremid> nice
2581 2011-05-26 19:01:51 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: oh, ya, they don't even actually do the builds, just some of them maintain the scripts to do the builds;P
2582 2011-05-26 19:01:55 <BlueMatt> my point was with ecc, we will not get fedora upstream
2583 2011-05-26 19:01:58 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: that would be great
2584 2011-05-26 19:02:08 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: correct (or accept patches to the build scripts)
2585 2011-05-26 19:02:11 <jrmithdobbs> s/even/ever/
2586 2011-05-26 19:02:24 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: most debian package maintainers submit debian/ directories to upstream project
2587 2011-05-26 19:02:30 <jeremid> i think that PRI program is on every morning in a lot of markets
2588 2011-05-26 19:02:32 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: and projects happily accept
2589 2011-05-26 19:02:35 <jeremid> did anyone here them discuss bitcoin
2590 2011-05-26 19:03:06 <jgarzik> jeremid: maybe ask on #bitcoin?
2591 2011-05-26 19:03:33 <BlueMatt> anyway, we agree on what the proper path is, even if I have misgivings...
2592 2011-05-26 19:03:44 <BlueMatt> though we have to find an rpm repo host
2593 2011-05-26 19:04:12 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: <jgarzik> BlueMatt: for fedora, volunteers would simply contribute to rpm fusion
2594 2011-05-26 19:04:27 <BlueMatt> what is rpm fusion?
2595 2011-05-26 19:04:33 <jgarzik> an rpm repo host
2596 2011-05-26 19:04:44 <BlueMatt> ah, well then I suppose that will be dealt with :)
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2599 2011-05-26 19:05:51 <glicth-mod> How long does it take slush to send a payment?
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2601 2011-05-26 19:06:04 * luke-jr wishes there was a simple sane way to mass-build RPMs and debs without having an install of every possible version
2602 2011-05-26 19:06:15 <BlueMatt> there sort of is
2603 2011-05-26 19:06:25 <BlueMatt> launchpad will deal with ubuntu/debian of all flavours
2604 2011-05-26 19:06:40 <BlueMatt> there is one for opensuse
2605 2011-05-26 19:06:56 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: just provide srpms and source debs and let people sort it out themselves
2606 2011-05-26 19:07:00 <jrmithdobbs> imho
2607 2011-05-26 19:07:18 <BlueMatt> launchpad will do that
2608 2011-05-26 19:07:41 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: well, the only time I care about RPM is when it's proprietary/highly-confidential :P
2609 2011-05-26 19:07:43 <luke-jr> so I'd need something I can run myself
2610 2011-05-26 19:07:50 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: Could it be a problem that I spend the coins very quickly after I received them... Could that cause the unconfirmed status
2611 2011-05-26 19:08:19 <BlueMatt> yea, but if its on bbe, then its confirmed
2612 2011-05-26 19:08:22 <Diablo-D3> http://yusa.imouto.org/image/9f95729cd8ba1d031553adcc916bf1d9/moe%20182446%20dragon_ball_z%20gotenks%20katsutake%20male.jpg
2613 2011-05-26 19:08:30 <Diablo-D3> ITS OVER NINE THOUUSSAAAAAAAAAAAND
2614 2011-05-26 19:08:32 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: as in, the customer doesn't get code :P
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2618 2011-05-26 19:09:53 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: you have some retarded customers if they pay you for dev work and they don't demand rights to the code
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2620 2011-05-26 19:10:07 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: The problem that I have now, is that I cannot spend the 0.04btc change that are in my wallet. The client says that it needs a fee to spend them, because of it's amount complexity.
2621 2011-05-26 19:10:22 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: so patch the client ;)
2622 2011-05-26 19:10:38 <bitanarchy> BLueMatt: with what?
2623 2011-05-26 19:10:50 <BlueMatt> nano or if you prefer, vi?
2624 2011-05-26 19:11:08 <BlueMatt> and g++ of course
2625 2011-05-26 19:11:40 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: the customers I'm speaking of are my customer's customers :p
2626 2011-05-26 19:11:55 <jrmithdobbs> ah
2627 2011-05-26 19:12:08 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: hack the code you mean
2628 2011-05-26 19:12:18 <BlueMatt> yea
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2631 2011-05-26 19:13:18 <Ramen> anyone got some time to and would be nice enough to help me setup my ati 5770 on debian wheezy?
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2634 2011-05-26 19:13:38 <BlueMatt> Ramen: #bitcoin or #bitcoin-mining (or if you are willing to pay #bitcoin-otc )
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2636 2011-05-26 19:14:31 <Ramen> XD
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2643 2011-05-26 19:21:54 <falafell> what block is the difficulty change?
2644 2011-05-26 19:22:26 <erbs> just bought some more btc
2645 2011-05-26 19:22:59 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
2646 2011-05-26 19:22:59 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.33,"low":7.2902,"vol":72511,"buy":8.6982,"sell":8.6983,"last":8.6983}}
2647 2011-05-26 19:23:42 <falafell> ;;bc,stats
2648 2011-05-26 19:23:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 127014 | Current Difficulty: 434882.7217497 | Next Difficulty At Block: 129023 | Next Difficulty In: 2009 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 10 hours, 1 minute, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1102949.28772916
2649 2011-05-26 19:23:55 <erbs> i just opened this guys comment history. all nasty and snivelling..
2650 2011-05-26 19:23:59 <erbs> heh
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2652 2011-05-26 19:24:38 <jgarzik> preparing for the time when we remove the decimal, representing the full int64 value, we need a three-letter currency code: http://www.xe.com/iso4217.php
2653 2011-05-26 19:25:58 <jgarzik> nanotube suggested UBC for the abbrev (full 1e8 decimal places).  "satoshis" is cute, but throws away all the branding work put into teaching people the word "bitcoins."
2654 2011-05-26 19:26:18 <jgarzik> so "UBC" is the working three-letter abbrev
2655 2011-05-26 19:26:29 <jgarzik> feel free to continue to call them satoshis if you wish :)
2656 2011-05-26 19:26:32 <BlueMatt> why U?
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2658 2011-05-26 19:27:03 <nanotube> jgarzik: no, ubc is for 1e-6, not full 8
2659 2011-05-26 19:27:10 <nanotube> jgarzik: since u is standard for 'mu' as in micro
2660 2011-05-26 19:27:14 <BlueMatt> thats what I though
2661 2011-05-26 19:27:15 <nanotube> that way, we still have ubc-cents
2662 2011-05-26 19:27:15 <WakiMiko> µ
2663 2011-05-26 19:27:18 <mizerydearia> t
2664 2011-05-26 19:27:32 <jgarzik> I'm looking for the no-decimal abbrev
2665 2011-05-26 19:27:48 <jgarzik> MBC is also available
2666 2011-05-26 19:28:02 <BlueMatt> why do we need no-decimal abbrev?
2667 2011-05-26 19:28:05 <nanotube> well, satoshis are centi-micro-BTC... so maybe CMB? :)
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2669 2011-05-26 19:28:15 <BlueMatt> UBC cents works
2670 2011-05-26 19:28:19 <nanotube> but it think UBC is enough... people can deal with cents
2671 2011-05-26 19:28:50 <nanotube> just like we have USD for dollars, and nothing for usd cents.
2672 2011-05-26 19:28:55 <jgarzik> hmmmm.  I don't see much point in retaining a decimal.  It's nicer just to count natively in int64's.
2673 2011-05-26 19:29:09 <BlueMatt> for us...yes, for others no
2674 2011-05-26 19:29:16 <nanotube> jgarzik: only because cents are 'traditional' for a currency to have ;)
2675 2011-05-26 19:29:30 <jgarzik> fair point.  human element is important.
2676 2011-05-26 19:29:32 <nanotube> well, maybe except for the zimbabwe dollars, toward the end there.
2677 2011-05-26 19:29:35 <nanotube> hehe
2678 2011-05-26 19:29:45 <jgarzik> ok, UBC for 1e6?
2679 2011-05-26 19:29:49 <nanotube> and italian liras back in the day
2680 2011-05-26 19:30:00 <nanotube> jgarzik: that was my original thought, so i'd agree to that. :)
2681 2011-05-26 19:30:05 <JuanDaugherty> is there a party line on the dollar/zolty concentration?
2682 2011-05-26 19:30:12 <nanotube> jgarzik: for 1e-6, to be precise
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2685 2011-05-26 19:33:08 <JuanDaugherty> *zloty
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2693 2011-05-26 19:36:36 <nanotube> JuanDaugherty: what do you mean by 'contentration' ?
2694 2011-05-26 19:36:41 <nanotube> er concentration.
2695 2011-05-26 19:37:43 <JuanDaugherty> http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/ <- that; the prevalent currencies noted there.
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2697 2011-05-26 19:38:45 <JuanDaugherty> just wanna what right thinking party members think about this
2698 2011-05-26 19:38:57 <JuanDaugherty> *wanna know
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2701 2011-05-26 19:39:28 <JuanDaugherty> lest I fall into wrongheadedness and error
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2707 2011-05-26 19:47:28 <nanotube> JuanDaugherty: yes, the PLN exchange is doing decent volume.
2708 2011-05-26 19:47:37 <nanotube> JuanDaugherty: what exactly is your question? :)
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2710 2011-05-26 19:49:53 <JuanDaugherty> at one time, not long ago, there was also substantial euro exchange
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2725 2011-05-26 19:59:07 <BlueMatt> lfm: ping
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2738 2011-05-26 20:07:47 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: does settxfee work currently?
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2740 2011-05-26 20:08:52 <BlueMatt> (wrt sending < 0.01 > 0.0005
2741 2011-05-26 20:09:34 <lfm> bluematt did you have a chance to look at the difficulty patch of mine?
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2743 2011-05-26 20:10:07 <diki> ;;bc,stats
2744 2011-05-26 20:10:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 127022 | Current Difficulty: 434882.7217497 | Next Difficulty At Block: 129023 | Next Difficulty In: 2001 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 51 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 815904.42301670
2745 2011-05-26 20:10:48 <diki> 15 blocks already solved??
2746 2011-05-26 20:11:56 <mtrlt> yep
2747 2011-05-26 20:12:00 <mtrlt> found.
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2749 2011-05-26 20:13:15 <erbs> how much time did it take
2750 2011-05-26 20:13:18 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: it sets nTransactionFee, just like -paytxfee
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2752 2011-05-26 20:13:38 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: it is the runtime version of -paytxfee
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2755 2011-05-26 20:15:03 <sipa> jgarzik: but it doesn't influence MIN_TX_FEE
2756 2011-05-26 20:15:07 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: but when it is set, the client defaults to that fee, and does it complain or just use that as fee per kb and for "low prio" stuff
2757 2011-05-26 20:15:20 <jgarzik> sipa: no
2758 2011-05-26 20:15:33 <sipa> the whole point is about MIN_TX_FEE
2759 2011-05-26 20:15:56 <diki> i think it's time tycho removed PPS
2760 2011-05-26 20:16:02 <jgarzik> sipa: the relay will be 0.0005 regardless
2761 2011-05-26 20:16:02 <diki> not worth it IMO
2762 2011-05-26 20:16:39 <jgarzik> sipa: the only question is whether or not the default fee produced by client is 0.01 or 0.0005
2763 2011-05-26 20:16:45 <sipa> indeed
2764 2011-05-26 20:16:47 <jgarzik> sipa: and -paytxfee/settxfee controls that
2765 2011-05-26 20:16:48 <BlueMatt> wait let me get this straight...when fee is set, it is used as perkb fee and as "low prio" please-add-fee fee?
2766 2011-05-26 20:16:55 <BlueMatt> and if fee is set to 0 currently?
2767 2011-05-26 20:17:08 <sipa> paytxfee is only for per-KB, no?
2768 2011-05-26 20:17:08 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: is fee is 0, you produce free transactions
2769 2011-05-26 20:17:23 <jgarzik> "only"?
2770 2011-05-26 20:17:29 <sipa> it produces free transactions when possible, and minimum fee transactions otherwise
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2772 2011-05-26 20:17:53 <BlueMatt> I was under the impression the client will still say "please add fee" and add 0.01 even if paytxfee is 0 on "free txes"
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2774 2011-05-26 20:18:03 <jgarzik> -paytxfee says to pay TX fee always.  the default without is as sipa just said.
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2776 2011-05-26 20:18:31 <BlueMatt> wait what? when did that change? -paytxfee had always been per kb?
2777 2011-05-26 20:18:35 <jgarzik> the default (option 3) gets clients working behavior
2778 2011-05-26 20:18:37 <BlueMatt> or am I being thick?
2779 2011-05-26 20:18:38 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yes
2780 2011-05-26 20:18:47 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: well, it was different a long, long time ago
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2782 2011-05-26 20:19:08 <BlueMatt> so on a 0.X kb, "free tx", the client will add what it wants, (if you click ok) or will it add -paytxfee?
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2784 2011-05-26 20:19:50 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: default: if fee requires, add fee based on size, otherwise send as free.  -paytxfee: always add fee based on size.
2785 2011-05-26 20:19:55 <jgarzik> *required
2786 2011-05-26 20:20:18 <sipa> the whole thing has become quite hard to understand
2787 2011-05-26 20:20:19 <sipa> :)
2788 2011-05-26 20:20:34 * BlueMatt hasnt been paying enough attention...not nearly
2789 2011-05-26 20:20:54 <BlueMatt> wait, I thought the client poped up and asked if you wanted to add a fee when you have a free tx?
2790 2011-05-26 20:21:58 <jgarzik> sipa: what may be tripping you up:  with option 3 + -paytxfee, there is no way to obtain behavior of "if fee requires, add 0.0005 fee based on size, otherwise send as free"   The user choices are: (a) if fee, send w/ 0.01*size, otherwise free, (b) -paytxfee=0.0005 always
2791 2011-05-26 20:22:03 <jgarzik> but that's ok
2792 2011-05-26 20:22:12 <jgarzik> for the transition
2793 2011-05-26 20:22:28 <jgarzik> remember the point is simply to deploy 0.0005 relaying
2794 2011-05-26 20:22:32 <jgarzik> and not break users
2795 2011-05-26 20:22:38 <jgarzik> so that we can move on to 0.4
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2799 2011-05-26 20:24:41 <stuhood> is there a post/ticket about the 0.0005 relaying? in fact, what is relaying?
2800 2011-05-26 20:25:03 <luke-jr> jgarzik: fwiw, I have a working branch with the 0.0005 relay-and-include-in-blocks 0.01 send-fee already done a day or 2 ago
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2802 2011-05-26 20:25:04 <sipa> passing on to other nodes
2803 2011-05-26 20:25:16 <jgarzik> stuhood: that is outside the scope of an IRC conversation :)  see http://forum.bitcoin.org/?topic=7749.0
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2805 2011-05-26 20:25:32 <luke-jr> git://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jr-bitcoin.git minfee_modes
2806 2011-05-26 20:25:39 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/w/bitcoind/luke-jr.git/shortlog/refs/heads/minfee_modes
2807 2011-05-26 20:25:51 <jgarzik> luke-jr: a highly energetic sipa created multiple pull requests, so the main choice is a/b/c
2808 2011-05-26 20:25:51 <BlueMatt> ok, so let me try again.  -settxfee/nTransactionFee is *always* applied to *any* transaction, no matter the size, as one sum.  If the transaction falls into >1kb, the client will add MIN_TX_FEE per kb to the fee (unless?).  Also, if the tx is a low prio tx, the client asks the user if they wish to add MIN_TX_FEE to the tx?
2809 2011-05-26 20:26:27 <luke-jr> jgarzik: not my fault you guys use a service that doesn't allow making pull requests without paying them $$$ for legal defense against BS
2810 2011-05-26 20:26:38 <stuhood> so "relaying fee" is a synonym for "transaction fee"?
2811 2011-05-26 20:26:46 <BlueMatt> no
2812 2011-05-26 20:26:50 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: your cases are (a) nTransactionFee is zero, or (b) nTransactionFee is not zero.  if (a), fee is only applied if required.  if (b), fee is always applied.
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2814 2011-05-26 20:26:58 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: is fee is applied in same manner, for both cases
2815 2011-05-26 20:27:06 <jgarzik> s/is //
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2818 2011-05-26 20:27:24 <stuhood> ahh, it's a threshold. understanding now.
2819 2011-05-26 20:27:25 <BlueMatt> fee is always nTransactionFee/MIN_TX_FEE * kb?
2820 2011-05-26 20:27:30 <luke-jr> sipa: do any of your pull reqs implement proper tri-state mode?
2821 2011-05-26 20:27:31 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yes
2822 2011-05-26 20:27:38 <BlueMatt> ah
2823 2011-05-26 20:28:00 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees it is actually pretty good summary
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2825 2011-05-26 20:28:15 <BlueMatt> hm, ok well that needs completely redone anyway...but that is for 0.4.0
2826 2011-05-26 20:28:20 <sipa> luke-jr: no, but it's trivial to add if necessary
2827 2011-05-26 20:28:38 <luke-jr> sipa: why not do it right the first time, considering I wrote the basic code for it weeks ago?
2828 2011-05-26 20:28:52 <jgarzik> luke-jr: in -rc5, we want minimal change
2829 2011-05-26 20:28:56 <sipa> luke-jr: because this is -rc5, and i want to change as little as possible
2830 2011-05-26 20:29:04 <luke-jr> fair enough I guess
2831 2011-05-26 20:29:15 <sipa> i agree the whole thing needs to be reconsidered, and tri-state selection is probably part of that
2832 2011-05-26 20:29:18 <sipa> but not now
2833 2011-05-26 20:29:31 <BlueMatt> very much so
2834 2011-05-26 20:29:35 <luke-jr> though I wonder why this is all waiting for rc5
2835 2011-05-26 20:29:43 <luke-jr> really should have been in a beta IMO
2836 2011-05-26 20:29:56 <BlueMatt> anyway, my vote still sits with #3
2837 2011-05-26 20:30:10 <sipa> because a bug in the implementation was discovered in rc4, causing new debate :)
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2839 2011-05-26 20:31:02 <sipa> yes, it seems #3 is the way to go
2840 2011-05-26 20:31:16 <jgarzik> sipa: you got the acks, feel free to pull
2841 2011-05-26 20:31:24 <BlueMatt> so, so far everyone agrees with #3 as it stands, aside from gavin?
2842 2011-05-26 20:32:06 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: this requires another -rc, so IMO Gavin has time to scream (he's been posting, so he's online).  Final release needs "holy Gavin pee" regardless.
2843 2011-05-26 20:32:15 <jgarzik> git commits are easy to revert
2844 2011-05-26 20:32:17 <BlueMatt> fair enough
2845 2011-05-26 20:32:21 <sipa> holy alpaca pee?
2846 2011-05-26 20:32:27 <jgarzik> yep
2847 2011-05-26 20:32:33 <BlueMatt> any comments on #268?
2848 2011-05-26 20:32:54 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r7717246 / src/util.cpp : Fixes #240 and #244 - delete delete[] mismatch. - http://bit.ly/llUyzp
2849 2011-05-26 20:32:55 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r20d28e6 / src/util.cpp :
2850 2011-05-26 20:32:55 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Merge pull request #268 from TheBlueMatt/deletefix
2851 2011-05-26 20:33:02 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: :)
2852 2011-05-26 20:33:04 <BlueMatt> I suppose that counds as a comment
2853 2011-05-26 20:33:20 * BlueMatt is off to rebase and clean two the two pull req translations so that they can be pulled (god these translations are getting old)
2854 2011-05-26 20:33:32 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: you could script that
2855 2011-05-26 20:33:54 <BlueMatt> lol, not if Im fixing indentation and whatnot on half of them (I like my commitdiffs to be as clean as possible)
2856 2011-05-26 20:34:19 <jgarzik> :)
2857 2011-05-26 20:34:24 <diki> i am so pumped at crysis 2
2858 2011-05-26 20:34:43 <diki> listening to ronald jenkees and pwning
2859 2011-05-26 20:35:01 <diki> while mining at the same time
2860 2011-05-26 20:35:27 <hybriz_> pwning @ games ? p
2861 2011-05-26 20:35:29 <hybriz_> :p
2862 2011-05-26 20:35:35 <diki> thats what i call...multitasking
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2864 2011-05-26 20:39:03 <BlueMatt> branch itfix2 ready for consumption
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2866 2011-05-26 20:40:48 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Pieter Wuille master * r3d96231 / (src/main.cpp src/main.h):
2867 2011-05-26 20:40:48 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Merge pull request #267 from sipa/mintxrelay
2868 2011-05-26 20:40:48 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Separate required fee for relaying and creation - http://bit.ly/kYSdsZ
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2870 2011-05-26 20:42:26 <Backburn> have a new pool up and running,  check out bitclockers.com    any ideas/questions/sugesstions would be greatly apprieciated :D
2871 2011-05-26 20:43:03 * sipa lost count of all public pools in existance
2872 2011-05-26 20:43:14 <BlueMatt> ArtForzZz: is there some odd german grammar rule where you have to have a space before ...'s?
2873 2011-05-26 20:43:16 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: ^
2874 2011-05-26 20:43:34 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: any on the 0.3.22 issue list I should unmark?
2875 2011-05-26 20:43:36 <Blitzboom> no
2876 2011-05-26 20:43:50 <Blitzboom> BlueMatts translation
2877 2011-05-26 20:43:52 <Blitzboom> etc.
2878 2011-05-26 20:43:55 <ArtForzZz> yea
2879 2011-05-26 20:44:01 <Blitzboom> no apostrophe
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2881 2011-05-26 20:44:09 <ArtForzZz> we put a space before ellipsis
2882 2011-05-26 20:44:09 <BlueMatt> no I mean like if I say Sending...
2883 2011-05-26 20:44:21 <BlueMatt> there is a space there?
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2885 2011-05-26 20:44:37 <jgarzik> Backburn: probably want to announce new polls on #bitcoin and #bitcoin-mining, not #bitcoin-dev
2886 2011-05-26 20:44:37 <ArtForzZz> yes
2887 2011-05-26 20:44:38 <Blitzboom> Sending … is correct
2888 2011-05-26 20:44:40 <Blitzboom> but who cares
2889 2011-05-26 20:44:47 <BlueMatt> ok
2890 2011-05-26 20:44:48 <ArtForzZz> yep, nobody cares much
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2892 2011-05-26 20:45:02 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: the 2 related to the pull just done, but other than that...not yet.
2893 2011-05-26 20:45:03 <ArtForzZz> it's not even a proper sentence, so ... what grammar rules?
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2895 2011-05-26 20:45:13 <BlueMatt> meh, better to do it though
2896 2011-05-26 20:45:13 <diki> massive pwning at deathmatch
2897 2011-05-26 20:45:15 <Backburn> not really announcing so much as trying to get input from the knowlegeable users
2898 2011-05-26 20:45:49 <Backburn> havent officially gone public yet, certain things need to be hardened first
2899 2011-05-26 20:46:16 <ArtForzZz> but yeah, normally there should be a space there
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2901 2011-05-26 20:47:17 <ArtForzZz> e.g. "Save As..." is "Speichern unter ..." in German
2902 2011-05-26 20:47:58 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sipa can one of you merge defix2 and itfix2 from my branch?
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2904 2011-05-26 20:48:17 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I nominate sipa, if he's still around
2905 2011-05-26 20:49:22 <BlueMatt> what you still dont have my branch as a remote jgarzik?
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2908 2011-05-26 20:49:32 <BlueMatt> god Id think you'd have learned by now ;)
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2911 2011-05-26 20:50:59 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
2912 2011-05-26 20:51:01 <gribble> Current Blocks: 127029 | Current Difficulty: 434882.7217497 | Next Difficulty At Block: 129023 | Next Difficulty In: 1994 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 808162.70244405
2913 2011-05-26 20:51:34 <Xenland> anybody ever exprience that they must actually delete an server-side script like .php and upload the new file inorder for an update to occur...its really annoying ya know?
2914 2011-05-26 20:51:40 <Xenland> friggin apache2
2915 2011-05-26 20:52:00 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jakob Kramer master * r7609e35 / (2 files): Fixed some mistakes in the German translation. - http://bit.ly/memftn
2916 2011-05-26 20:52:01 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Pieter Wuille master * r6740ad3 / (2 files): Merge remote branch 'bluematt/defix2' - http://bit.ly/kR1nmS
2917 2011-05-26 20:52:01 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Pieter Wuille master * ra757ed8 / (2 files): Merge remote branch 'bluematt/itfix2' - http://bit.ly/mJB8Bs
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2919 2011-05-26 20:53:07 <gjs278> Xenland if you have APC installed that might be why
2920 2011-05-26 20:53:18 <Xenland> APC huh?
2921 2011-05-26 20:53:32 <Xenland> any way to check?
2922 2011-05-26 20:53:35 <gjs278> caching module
2923 2011-05-26 20:53:40 <gjs278> phpinfo()
2924 2011-05-26 20:53:43 <gjs278> and look for it
2925 2011-05-26 20:53:49 <Xenland> thanks mate
2926 2011-05-26 20:55:01 <Xenland> i did a search inside of firefox using "apc" as the search. it found nothing, is it listed as somthing else in phpinfo
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2929 2011-05-26 20:56:33 <BlueMatt> sipa: those were pull #270 and #274, which can be closed
2930 2011-05-26 20:56:41 <BlueMatt> god damnit, there is another translation pull...
2931 2011-05-26 20:56:50 <BlueMatt> czech now...
2932 2011-05-26 20:58:58 <Xenland> i do see cachingiterator
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2936 2011-05-26 21:00:47 <Xenland> lol now it dose't even work when i delete it or change it, just same thing everytime
2937 2011-05-26 21:01:00 <Xenland> linux thinks its funny...but its not
2938 2011-05-26 21:01:20 <Xenland> the machine shall rise!!
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2942 2011-05-26 21:09:18 <sipa> ;;bc,nethash
2943 2011-05-26 21:09:18 <gribble> 4047.3769504080256
2944 2011-05-26 21:09:30 <sipa> ;;bc,spotestimate
2945 2011-05-26 21:09:31 <gribble> 565403.402488
2946 2011-05-26 21:10:44 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: no rush on translations, we can still stuff them into -final
2947 2011-05-26 21:10:51 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, sipa: ready for next rc?
2948 2011-05-26 21:11:19 <sipa> let's have a look at the pull requests
2949 2011-05-26 21:11:23 <BlueMatt> wait...
2950 2011-05-26 21:11:45 <BlueMatt> I accidentally added my name to one of the pos and it needs removed (its in the cs translation commit that will be ready in 10 seconds...)
2951 2011-05-26 21:12:00 <BlueMatt> damn poedit auto last-translator update
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2953 2011-05-26 21:14:01 <BlueMatt> ok cstranslation merge, if you do please
2954 2011-05-26 21:14:26 <BlueMatt> (unless you want my name removed in its own commit)
2955 2011-05-26 21:14:45 <sipa> as you please
2956 2011-05-26 21:14:49 <BlueMatt> actually, thats probably better
2957 2011-05-26 21:14:52 <BlueMatt> wait 1 sec...
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2960 2011-05-26 21:15:44 <diki> new diff, blocks still found fast
2961 2011-05-26 21:15:51 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
2962 2011-05-26 21:15:51 <diki> wtf??
2963 2011-05-26 21:15:53 <gribble> Current Blocks: 127032 | Current Difficulty: 434882.7217497 | Next Difficulty At Block: 129023 | Next Difficulty In: 1991 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 7 hours, 6 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 754820.43877962
2964 2011-05-26 21:16:09 <sipa> diki: see http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png
2965 2011-05-26 21:16:22 <sipa> network speed is still way above the current difficulty's equivalent speed
2966 2011-05-26 21:16:26 <diki> so it really is ~6 terahashes
2967 2011-05-26 21:16:36 <sipa> 4
2968 2011-05-26 21:16:47 <sipa> ;;bc,nethash
2969 2011-05-26 21:16:48 <gribble> 4047.3769504080256
2970 2011-05-26 21:16:54 <sipa> ^- network speed estimate
2971 2011-05-26 21:16:55 <diki> still, the blocks are found way too dast
2972 2011-05-26 21:16:56 <BlueMatt> ok, now cstranslation should be good
2973 2011-05-26 21:16:58 <diki> *fas
2974 2011-05-26 21:17:00 <diki> t
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2976 2011-05-26 21:17:30 <diki> Damn, im still a bit laggy cause of all the sprinting in Crysis 2
2977 2011-05-26 21:17:38 <CIA-103> bitcoin: xHire master * r7709ee6 / (2 files): Czech translation - http://bit.ly/jVtA8C
2978 2011-05-26 21:17:38 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * rdb69432 / locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po :
2979 2011-05-26 21:17:38 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Reset Last-Translator on de po to the proper value.
2980 2011-05-26 21:18:09 <BlueMatt> that also closes the 3 top pull requests on github
2981 2011-05-26 21:18:42 <BlueMatt> and puts us at the next rc, IMHO (and hopefully final)
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2983 2011-05-26 21:19:32 <BlueMatt> oh though I have a patch from lfm that should fix the difficulty stuff, but its...odd
2984 2011-05-26 21:19:33 <BlueMatt> lfm: ping
2985 2011-05-26 21:19:45 <sipa> i'll test his patch
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2988 2011-05-26 21:20:00 <sipa> oh, it's not on github yet
2989 2011-05-26 21:20:13 <BlueMatt> no, got it by email...one sec
2990 2011-05-26 21:20:46 <sipa> it's on the forum
2991 2011-05-26 21:20:58 <BlueMatt> Ill have it in git in 10 secs
2992 2011-05-26 21:21:18 <BlueMatt> though I need a name for the commit, lfm?
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2996 2011-05-26 21:21:43 <jeremid> is theymos around
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2998 2011-05-26 21:22:55 <BlueMatt> ok, well its up in branch difffix but I need lfm's name for the commit (well what he wants his name to be there)
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3000 2011-05-26 21:23:04 <diki> so...was satoshi around when you guys decided to make pools and use the gpus for mining?
3001 2011-05-26 21:23:19 <sipa> he was still around, yes
3002 2011-05-26 21:23:22 <BlueMatt> oh wait, it pulled him up on github...let me look up prior commit names
3003 2011-05-26 21:23:25 <diki> his thought?
3004 2011-05-26 21:23:34 <BlueMatt> didnt like it, but knew it was inevitable
3005 2011-05-26 21:23:38 <sipa> he wanted to delay the age of gpu mining as much as possible
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3007 2011-05-26 21:23:41 <gjs278> he was thinking about anime at the time
3008 2011-05-26 21:23:42 <diki> which of the above?
3009 2011-05-26 21:23:49 <BlueMatt> both
3010 2011-05-26 21:23:52 <BlueMatt> they are the same thing
3011 2011-05-26 21:23:52 <diki> I also think about anime lol
3012 2011-05-26 21:23:57 <sipa> pools, i don't know
3013 2011-05-26 21:24:04 <mtrlt> why would he want to delay gpu mining?
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3016 2011-05-26 21:24:14 <sipa> ;;bc,hextarget
3017 2011-05-26 21:24:14 <gribble> 0000000000002694210000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
3018 2011-05-26 21:24:22 <gjs278> spread the wealth
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3020 2011-05-26 21:24:28 <jgarzik> mtrlt: takes bitcoin generation out of range of the 'common man with cpu', I imagine
3021 2011-05-26 21:24:39 <Diablo-D3> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/WR35gkojrUw/Google-Wallet-the-End-of-Anonymous-Shopping
3022 2011-05-26 21:24:40 <mtrlt> mmh
3023 2011-05-26 21:24:40 <Diablo-D3> the fuck?
3024 2011-05-26 21:25:17 <BlueMatt> he liked the idea of "one vote per cpu" not "one vote per ridiculously expensive gpu"
3025 2011-05-26 21:25:23 <BlueMatt> (only the first one being a quote)
3026 2011-05-26 21:25:23 <sipa> actual difficulty: 434877.045527627577385338464
3027 2011-05-26 21:25:39 <mtrlt> blah
3028 2011-05-26 21:25:43 <mtrlt> kinda too idealistic
3029 2011-05-26 21:25:51 <diki> do you guys know why he disappeared?
3030 2011-05-26 21:26:00 <sipa>    lfm difficulty: 434877.04552763
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3032 2011-05-26 21:26:07 <sipa> ;;bc,diff
3033 2011-05-26 21:26:07 <gribble> 434882.7217497
3034 2011-05-26 21:26:26 <gjs278> godzilla
3035 2011-05-26 21:26:49 <sipa> according to those who still had contact with him: because he was busy
3036 2011-05-26 21:26:58 <sipa> but i doubt that's the only reason
3037 2011-05-26 21:27:29 <sipa> BlueMatt: lfm's patch makes it as correct as possible, i guess
3038 2011-05-26 21:27:41 <sipa> though the code can be shortened a bit
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3040 2011-05-26 21:27:46 <BlueMatt> sipa: ok, I put in the name he has used on prior commits, so it should be good to pull
3041 2011-05-26 21:27:53 <BlueMatt> (unless you want to fix it)
3042 2011-05-26 21:27:55 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, i doubt he actually thought it would always be cpus
3043 2011-05-26 21:28:10 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: no, he knew it would come, but still wanted to delay it
3044 2011-05-26 21:28:17 <BlueMatt> (or so says TD)
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3046 2011-05-26 21:29:31 <BlueMatt> does someone want to try to tackle the dpi window scaling?
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3048 2011-05-26 21:30:19 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, dpi window scaling?
3049 2011-05-26 21:30:32 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: #243
3050 2011-05-26 21:30:47 <phantomcircuit> oh a bug in the gui?
3051 2011-05-26 21:30:52 <phantomcircuit> i woudl suggest not bothering
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3053 2011-05-26 21:30:59 <BlueMatt> ?
3054 2011-05-26 21:31:05 <phantomcircuit> the wxwidgets gui si a bloody mess
3055 2011-05-26 21:31:12 <BlueMatt> its a simple fix...if you can get dpi to begin with
3056 2011-05-26 21:31:21 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: so we should not fix it?
3057 2011-05-26 21:31:31 <BlueMatt> its really not actually that much of a mess
3058 2011-05-26 21:31:36 <gjs278> I'll fix it on the condition tonal is added
3059 2011-05-26 21:31:40 <diki> then drain it's blood phantom
3060 2011-05-26 21:31:42 <diki> or suck it out
3061 2011-05-26 21:31:43 <BlueMatt> gjs278: lol
3062 2011-05-26 21:31:52 <phantomcircuit> no we shouldn't the rpc api should be extended so that you can build a full gui and then run bitcoind from the gui
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3064 2011-05-26 21:32:11 <gjs278> what can't you do with the api right now and express that in a client?
3065 2011-05-26 21:32:25 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, there's stuff missing
3066 2011-05-26 21:32:44 <BlueMatt> oh god, we would have to make direct X calls on linux...Im not sure about that one...
3067 2011-05-26 21:32:57 <gjs278> I've opened the client maybe two times
3068 2011-05-26 21:32:58 <phantomcircuit> what?
3069 2011-05-26 21:33:12 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, lol what?
3070 2011-05-26 21:33:13 <diki> soo...ubc
3071 2011-05-26 21:33:17 <diki> mikes
3072 2011-05-26 21:33:26 <diki> 1 mike, 2 mikes
3073 2011-05-26 21:34:17 <BlueMatt> lol, that might cause confusion in rooms with people named mike...
3074 2011-05-26 21:34:22 <BlueMatt> though a fitting honor
3075 2011-05-26 21:34:44 <diki> i wouldnt mind selling 1 or 2 real mikes
3076 2011-05-26 21:34:49 <sipa> the question though
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3078 2011-05-26 21:34:53 <sipa> who is mill?
3079 2011-05-26 21:35:01 <diki> Mill Gates?
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3084 2011-05-26 21:35:18 <sipa> Mill Jagger?
3085 2011-05-26 21:35:30 <diki> Millk?
3086 2011-05-26 21:35:31 <gjs278> spesMILLo
3087 2011-05-26 21:35:34 <diki> lol
3088 2011-05-26 21:35:51 <sipa> noo, that's ethymologically related!
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3090 2011-05-26 21:36:11 * diki googles ethymologically
3091 2011-05-26 21:36:34 <diki> so basically
3092 2011-05-26 21:36:41 <diki> Bill comes from Mill
3093 2011-05-26 21:36:45 <sipa> oh, it's without h
3094 2011-05-26 21:36:57 <topi`_> wtf, google also wants to join the mobile payment systems race
3095 2011-05-26 21:36:58 <topi`_> http://on.mash.to/moJPj2
3096 2011-05-26 21:37:20 <diki> btw, did you guys notice how i added "mining hardware comparison" to the suggestion box in google?
3097 2011-05-26 21:37:28 <BlueMatt> ok, well its in gdi on win, which we already link, Ima go tackle the issue on win, but (though Im not sure it exists on mac/linux) I will not bother on mac, and on linux, I dont want to link X11 as well as wx
3098 2011-05-26 21:37:43 <diki> i was too lazy to type it in the browser windows so i did it a lot on google
3099 2011-05-26 21:37:54 <diki> and hey, they added it
3100 2011-05-26 21:38:10 <sipa> diki: wait, what did they do?
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3102 2011-05-26 21:38:37 <diki> Google added mining hardware comparison to their suggestion dropdown on the search box
3103 2011-05-26 21:38:48 <diki> cause i used it a lot
3104 2011-05-26 21:39:32 <BlueMatt> now to find everywhere in the code where a constant number is used for window size...
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3106 2011-05-26 21:40:26 <diki> Hey matt. When sending coins, and at the very moment you press the send button, before the payment sent thing, there is a small freeze
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3108 2011-05-26 21:40:41 <diki> the program freezes for a few ms
3109 2011-05-26 21:40:46 <sipa> that's when it's doing all the fancy cryptographic stuff
3110 2011-05-26 21:41:01 <diki> anyway, to fix that?
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3112 2011-05-26 21:41:18 <sipa> a progress bar? :)
3113 2011-05-26 21:41:32 <BlueMatt> sipa: I wouldnt bet on just that, Id say its also db crap...that can be noticeably slow, but crypto is probably a fair chunk as well
3114 2011-05-26 21:41:36 <diki> nah, payments are too fast for that
3115 2011-05-26 21:42:03 <sipa> BlueMatt: quite likely
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3118 2011-05-26 21:42:21 <sipa> an ecdsa signature is only 1 ms or so
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3121 2011-05-26 21:43:10 <diki> i really gotta learn how progress bars work
3122 2011-05-26 21:43:30 <sipa> they don't
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3124 2011-05-26 21:43:47 <diki> yes, i know, they just fly
3125 2011-05-26 21:43:48 <BlueMatt> lol, true
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3127 2011-05-26 21:44:33 <diki> you guys must release a troll release for next 1st april
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3129 2011-05-26 21:44:51 <x5x> http://109.123.116.242/orders
3130 2011-05-26 21:44:51 <diki> User clicks send coins, and instead of payment sent message, it should say Trolololo
3131 2011-05-26 21:45:12 <diki> is that html5?
3132 2011-05-26 21:45:18 <jeremid> troll translation? hehe
3133 2011-05-26 21:45:30 <BlueMatt> would be cool, but by then releases will have a lag while they get packaged, plus its not quite appropriate for financial software
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3136 2011-05-26 21:46:45 <diki> http://109.123.116.242/code.js TMC as in too much code
3137 2011-05-26 21:46:51 <diki> Hey, i just invented a new term
3138 2011-05-26 21:47:13 <diki> the obfuscation is also awful
3139 2011-05-26 21:47:29 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
3140 2011-05-26 21:47:30 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.33,"low":7.4206,"vol":68287,"buy":8.7,"sell":8.89,"last":8.7001}}
3141 2011-05-26 21:48:05 <x5x> diki, its websockets
3142 2011-05-26 21:48:10 <Pilate> its not obfuscation lol
3143 2011-05-26 21:48:12 <x5x> yea i did the project partly to play around w obfuscation
3144 2011-05-26 21:48:22 <x5x> well minifying/obfuscating whatever u wanna call iot
3145 2011-05-26 21:48:22 <diki> Pilate: it is more or less
3146 2011-05-26 21:48:34 <Pilate> minification is no more obfuscation than compiling
3147 2011-05-26 21:48:50 <diki> who wrote it?
3148 2011-05-26 21:48:53 <x5x> i used both google's closure compiler as well as uglifyjs
3149 2011-05-26 21:48:55 <x5x> me
3150 2011-05-26 21:48:58 <diki> how long?
3151 2011-05-26 21:49:12 <x5x> how long what
3152 2011-05-26 21:49:16 <diki> did you write ?
3153 2011-05-26 21:49:26 <x5x> eh like about a day-ish
3154 2011-05-26 21:49:31 <diki> bs
3155 2011-05-26 21:49:36 <x5x> heh
3156 2011-05-26 21:49:39 <x5x> not really
3157 2011-05-26 21:49:47 <x5x> its nothing complicated
3158 2011-05-26 21:50:02 <diki> it's waay complicated for you to write that in a day
3159 2011-05-26 21:50:03 <x5x> code.js isnt all me, its jquery, jqueryui, flot.js and my code combined :P
3160 2011-05-26 21:50:28 <diki> still, it's thanks to chrome's fast JS engine that im even rendering that
3161 2011-05-26 21:50:52 <x5x> teh actual logic of what im doing w the data is prety damn simple
3162 2011-05-26 21:51:11 <Pilate> yeah the only thing chrome provides over ff is websockets
3163 2011-05-26 21:51:14 <diki> can you add a legend?
3164 2011-05-26 21:51:27 <x5x> yea ff4 turned off their websockets :/
3165 2011-05-26 21:51:29 <x5x> i think opera did too
3166 2011-05-26 21:51:45 <x5x> yea i'll add a lgened in a bit
3167 2011-05-26 21:51:46 <diki> still, you should reduce the connections timeframe
3168 2011-05-26 21:51:52 <diki> increase it*
3169 2011-05-26 21:52:01 <x5x> what do you mean increase connections timeframe
3170 2011-05-26 21:52:04 <diki> cause no need to ddos mtgox
3171 2011-05-26 21:52:19 <diki> too much requests me thinks
3172 2011-05-26 21:52:53 <x5x> the actual ewbpage isnt connecting to mtgox , everyone connects to my bakcend, which talks to mtgox
3173 2011-05-26 21:52:59 <x5x> so its not gonna ddos mtgox if 100 ppl open the page
3174 2011-05-26 21:53:02 <gjs278> x5x don't fall into the diki trap
3175 2011-05-26 21:53:08 <gjs278> you will hurt yourself
3176 2011-05-26 21:53:10 <x5x> gjs278, lol wats the diki trap
3177 2011-05-26 21:53:38 <diki> he probably mistyped a letter there
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3179 2011-05-26 21:54:39 <diki> so much thing to do though..
3180 2011-05-26 21:55:03 <jeremid> this block was found in 11 seconds http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000119a4790f3d4457f89e0e699000dc3ed3a36b44dbed1e54b4336
3181 2011-05-26 21:55:07 <jeremid> is that a recent record
3182 2011-05-26 21:55:23 <diki> create the front-end of the pool. Catch up with all the latest anime, manga etc. finish my architectural designs..
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3184 2011-05-26 21:56:01 <diki> that block is a true inspirer
3185 2011-05-26 21:56:10 <diki> maybe i should try a bit solo
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3189 2011-05-26 22:00:43 <diki> i am hoping for extreme luck
3190 2011-05-26 22:01:48 <diki> ;;bc,diff
3191 2011-05-26 22:01:48 <gribble> 434882.7217497
3192 2011-05-26 22:01:56 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 434882.7217497
3193 2011-05-26 22:01:56 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
3194 2011-05-26 22:02:04 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 274000 434882.7217497
3195 2011-05-26 22:02:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 274000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 434882.7217497, is 11 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 33 minutes, and 34 seconds
3196 2011-05-26 22:02:11 <sipa> just use:
3197 2011-05-26 22:02:14 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 274000
3198 2011-05-26 22:02:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 274000 Khps, given current difficulty of 434882.7217497 , is 11 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 33 minutes, and 34 seconds
3199 2011-05-26 22:02:41 <diki> wasn't there a calculator that shows the probability i find a block ?
3200 2011-05-26 22:02:57 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 274000 1w
3201 2011-05-26 22:02:58 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
3202 2011-05-26 22:03:07 <sipa> ;;bc,prob 274000 1w
3203 2011-05-26 22:03:07 <gribble> 0.0848998784913
3204 2011-05-26 22:03:17 <x5x> woah what happened w the miners? did some new crazy guy come in ?
3205 2011-05-26 22:03:26 <diki> explain
3206 2011-05-26 22:03:41 <x5x> the "other" section of the bitcoinwatchpie chart got really huge
3207 2011-05-26 22:04:09 <diki> seems the cake is not a lie now
3208 2011-05-26 22:05:50 <jeremid> what the avg fees per block
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3210 2011-05-26 22:08:36 <lfm> jermid depends what time period you mean
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3214 2011-05-26 22:10:07 <lfm> diki you know how you said you wished you had a utility to calculate tagrgets and ifficulties?
3215 2011-05-26 22:10:15 <lfm> targets
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3217 2011-05-26 22:10:32 <lfm> targets and difficulties
3218 2011-05-26 22:11:18 <sipa> lfm: see http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10064.0
3219 2011-05-26 22:12:24 <diki> lfm?
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3221 2011-05-26 22:13:01 <lfm> sipa just lfm is fine
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3223 2011-05-26 22:13:21 <lfm> diki no?
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3225 2011-05-26 22:14:12 <jeremid> is there a service that mapes name -> bitcoin address
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3227 2011-05-26 22:14:40 <lfm> jeremid:  no, that would not be possible in general
3228 2011-05-26 22:15:02 <jeremid> it would! store your name in a tx.. first come first served (fee to the network of course)
3229 2011-05-26 22:15:43 <jeremid> well i think namecoin is already doing a mapping service intended to be a dns replacement
3230 2011-05-26 22:16:00 <lfm> jeremid bitcoin is designed to be anonymous (to a point). that would be kinda counter productive
3231 2011-05-26 22:16:24 <sipa> store your name in a tx: what if i create a tx first that claims my address is jeremid's?
3232 2011-05-26 22:16:46 <jeremid> then thats your nick.. but i suppose the network would have a bidding function
3233 2011-05-26 22:16:52 <diki> anyone on the forums who has found a block very fast with just one card in a recent diff?
3234 2011-05-26 22:17:14 <lfm> jeremid seems like your talking about some other net, not bitcoin
3235 2011-05-26 22:17:31 <jeremid> im talking about bitcoin addresses not "some other net"
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3237 2011-05-26 22:17:55 <sipa> the block chain is not a general eternal data storage sysem
3238 2011-05-26 22:17:57 <sipa> *system
3239 2011-05-26 22:18:04 <jeremid> well.. actually it is
3240 2011-05-26 22:18:13 <jeremid> you can store anything you feel like
3241 2011-05-26 22:18:36 <sipa> it's a huge and expensive thing maintained by a lot of people who do it because they find the ability to do bitcoin transactions meaningful
3242 2011-05-26 22:18:49 <jeremid> they do it because they get bounties
3243 2011-05-26 22:18:49 <lfm> jermid you might thinks so but it practise it is not useful
3244 2011-05-26 22:18:54 <stuhood> except that this particular network definitely doesn't want human readable junk in the chain
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3246 2011-05-26 22:19:10 <jeremid> stuhood: you cant prevent it from going in
3247 2011-05-26 22:19:16 <sipa> they may change their mind if it's used in substantial degree for other purposes which belong elsewhere
3248 2011-05-26 22:19:23 <jeremid> your objection is purely philosophical rather than technical
3249 2011-05-26 22:19:24 <sipa> no, you can't prevent it
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3251 2011-05-26 22:19:51 <lfm> jeremid well true we cant really prevent it but you might find there is not much interest either
3252 2011-05-26 22:20:54 <jeremid> yeah.. it actually has a purpose.. if i recall the ability to pay someone by email address made paypal a bajillion-dollar company :)
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3254 2011-05-26 22:21:17 <phantomcircuit> enabling pay by email address is actually pretty trivial today
3255 2011-05-26 22:21:23 <phantomcircuit> you generate a private key for them
3256 2011-05-26 22:21:25 <sipa> you're free to create your own paypal-like site on top of bitcoin
3257 2011-05-26 22:21:29 <phantomcircuit> send the btc to that address
3258 2011-05-26 22:21:33 <phantomcircuit> send them the private key
3259 2011-05-26 22:21:33 <phantomcircuit> magic
3260 2011-05-26 22:21:40 <sipa> actually, mtgox already allows that
3261 2011-05-26 22:21:49 <sipa> send bitcoins by email
3262 2011-05-26 22:21:55 <sipa> real email addresses
3263 2011-05-26 22:21:58 <jeremid> thats fine, but its an offline method. paypal maintains your books for you
3264 2011-05-26 22:22:26 <jeremid> paypal doesnt depend on the smtp delivery network to ensure your payment happens :)
3265 2011-05-26 22:22:35 <sipa> neither does mtgox
3266 2011-05-26 22:22:44 <lfm> diki currently hex command line
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3268 2011-05-26 22:23:15 <phantomcircuit> jeremid, actually they do, if you send paypal to a non existent email they're 100% dependent on smtp
3269 2011-05-26 22:23:27 <sipa> exactly the same for mtgox
3270 2011-05-26 22:23:29 <jeremid> yeah mtgox is cool... but its a closed system. ideally youd want different service providers to be able to pay-by-name
3271 2011-05-26 22:23:41 <jeremid> phantomcircuit: what
3272 2011-05-26 22:23:43 <sipa> there are several pull requests
3273 2011-05-26 22:24:10 <sipa> for adding bitcoin-address-from-name-lookups to the client
3274 2011-05-26 22:24:22 <phantomcircuit> jeremid, if you send money via paypal to an email that does not yet have a paypal account, you MUST receive email at that account to receive the money
3275 2011-05-26 22:24:47 <jeremid> phantomcircuit: you need an email account to create a paypal account.. from then on smtp isnt used
3276 2011-05-26 22:25:06 <phantomcircuit> yes but at that point the email is nothing more than a unique id
3277 2011-05-26 22:25:11 <jeremid> smtp is not the payment delivery technology paypal uses :)
3278 2011-05-26 22:25:15 <phantomcircuit> a service which anybody could provide
3279 2011-05-26 22:25:21 <sipa> neither is that the case for mtgox
3280 2011-05-26 22:25:26 <sipa> now what are we talking about?
3281 2011-05-26 22:25:35 <jeremid> anyone like... networksolutions? they're real trustworthy! :)
3282 2011-05-26 22:25:42 <sipa> name-to-bitcoin-address service providers will surely spring up
3283 2011-05-26 22:25:51 <phantomcircuit> jeremid, anyone as in anybody at all
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3285 2011-05-26 22:26:12 <phantomcircuit> jeremid, it's merely a question of who you trust more
3286 2011-05-26 22:26:16 <jeremid> why do you need to trust a central name authority? that would make no sense given the distributed nature of bitcoin
3287 2011-05-26 22:26:34 <phantomcircuit> facepalm
3288 2011-05-26 22:26:46 <phantomcircuit> why would you trust a name embedded into the block chain?
3289 2011-05-26 22:27:18 <jeremid> because everyone can agree on its validity? have you heard about this thing called "bitcoin" ? a distributed transaction database... you should read up on it :)
3290 2011-05-26 22:27:34 <sipa> the blockchain is an agreement system
3291 2011-05-26 22:27:41 <sipa> not a link to reality
3292 2011-05-26 22:27:48 <stuhood> jeremid: and if i claimed the name "jeremid" in the block chain?
3293 2011-05-26 22:27:53 <lianj> jeremid: isnt that what pgp key-signing-parties are for
3294 2011-05-26 22:27:58 <jeremid> stuhood: so what? what i register stuhood.com ?
3295 2011-05-26 22:27:59 <phantomcircuit> stuhood, oh oh i know then he's fucked
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3297 2011-05-26 22:28:09 <stuhood> jeremid: what was the point then?
3298 2011-05-26 22:28:16 <lfm> diki diki you can download http:www3.telus.net/millerlf/diffcalc.tgz and try it if you wish
3299 2011-05-26 22:28:17 <phantomcircuit> jeremid, you're completely missing the point
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3301 2011-05-26 22:28:19 <jeremid> i would obviously not tell ppl to pay your nick
3302 2011-05-26 22:28:31 <ArtForzZz> phantomcircuit: nah, he just needs to get > 51% total hashrate and reverse the name assignment ;)
3303 2011-05-26 22:28:34 <stuhood> jeremid: if you have to tell people it's your address… just tell them your address
3304 2011-05-26 22:28:42 <jeremid> phantomcircuit: a moment ago you were telling us that paypal relied on smtp for payments. i think you must be a troll
3305 2011-05-26 22:28:42 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZz, lol
3306 2011-05-26 22:28:42 <lfm>       try it if you wish
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3308 2011-05-26 22:28:48 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZz, winrar
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3311 2011-05-26 22:29:15 <phantomcircuit> jeremid, i actually never said that, clearly your reading comprehension is... lacking?
3312 2011-05-26 22:29:17 <jeremid> stuhood: just tell them my 32-char hex address? yeah thatll be really easy to do
3313 2011-05-26 22:29:33 <stuhood> ...
3314 2011-05-26 22:29:46 <jeremid> why dont we all use IP addresses instead of domain names?
3315 2011-05-26 22:29:53 <phantomcircuit> jeremid, secure decentralized easy-to-remember, pick 2
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3317 2011-05-26 22:30:04 <jeremid> because ppl dont care to remember random strings of numbers :)
3318 2011-05-26 22:30:15 <lfm> jeremid do you think anonymity is bad then?
3319 2011-05-26 22:30:17 <jeremid> phantomcircuit: how bout all 3?
3320 2011-05-26 22:30:20 <sipa> if either khal or genjix' pull requests are pulled, you'll be able to make 'jere@mid.net' resolve to you bitcoin address, if you own mid.net
3321 2011-05-26 22:30:20 <jeremid> as in namecoin
3322 2011-05-26 22:30:29 <jeremid> lfm: your nick is anonymous. i have no idea who you are
3323 2011-05-26 22:30:32 <sipa> i think that;s the way to go
3324 2011-05-26 22:30:41 <sipa> anyone is free to set up his own name host
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3326 2011-05-26 22:30:50 <phantomcircuit> jeremid, namecoin is a failure their total network hash rate isn't high enough to prevent someone from rebuilding the entire chain
3327 2011-05-26 22:30:56 <sipa> and it doesn't require the massive overhead the block chain has
3328 2011-05-26 22:31:02 <jeremid> phantomcircuit: by that logic bitcoin was a failure in 2009
3329 2011-05-26 22:31:09 <lfm> jeremid cuz if we had to send to ip addresses there would be no annonymous txn any more
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3331 2011-05-26 22:31:22 <jeremid> i think youre pronouncement of a failure is a bit premature (as it wouldve been for bitcoin in 09)
3332 2011-05-26 22:31:26 <sipa> nobody needs timestamping or global agreement on a name database
3333 2011-05-26 22:31:37 <jeremid> in fact namecoin is doing very well and has been growing a lot lately as far as i know
3334 2011-05-26 22:31:47 <sipa> if everyone can own their own unique namespace
3335 2011-05-26 22:31:57 <stuhood> everyone is saying dumb stuff now… sloooow down
3336 2011-05-26 22:32:02 <jeremid> lfm - yeah ip addys arent involved. just memorable name->address mappings that are reliable
3337 2011-05-26 22:32:30 <lfm> jeremid oh, well I dont need that atm
3338 2011-05-26 22:32:47 <sipa> please
3339 2011-05-26 22:32:55 <jeremid> you seem to have a philosophical aversion to storing non-tx in the block chain.. others will use it for their own purposes
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3341 2011-05-26 22:33:14 <phantomcircuit> jeremid, the bitcoin network will always be larger, so a tiny % of the bitcoin miners deciding to destroy namecoin would be able to do so trivially
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3343 2011-05-26 22:33:36 <jeremid> phantomcircuit: and ATI could destroy bitcoin if they felt like it. what does this have to do w/anything?
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3345 2011-05-26 22:33:41 <phantomcircuit> also storing random shit in the tx chain is a bad idea since most client will have to implement tx pruning soon
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3347 2011-05-26 22:33:43 <jeremid> this is not a technical objection.
3348 2011-05-26 22:33:56 <phantomcircuit> implementing names in the tx chain would be a technically terrible plan
3349 2011-05-26 22:34:05 <lfm> jeremid true I do have that aversion. i think bitcoin should be for currency as it was designed. If people want to do other things they should make other nets
3350 2011-05-26 22:34:06 <ArtForzZz> well, nobody had a reson to turn old testnet into a smoking crater either ...
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3352 2011-05-26 22:34:25 <jeremid> lol ArtForzZz
3353 2011-05-26 22:34:32 <psymin> ;;blocks
3354 2011-05-26 22:34:32 <gribble> Error: "blocks" is not a valid command.
3355 2011-05-26 22:35:05 <lfm> ArtForzZz: seems like someone is doing it to the current testnet too
3356 2011-05-26 22:35:06 <sipa> jeremid: i do have an objection to storing non-tx data in the block chain - but that's not the point; i believe name-queries via http(s) is a much better solution to the naming problem
3357 2011-05-26 22:35:18 <ArtForzZz> lfm: *walks away whistling*
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3359 2011-05-26 22:35:36 <psymin> ;;bc,stats
3360 2011-05-26 22:35:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 127045 | Current Difficulty: 434882.7217497 | Next Difficulty At Block: 129023 | Next Difficulty In: 1978 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 8 hours, 32 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 733589.79665556
3361 2011-05-26 22:35:43 <ArtForzZz> hey, this time it was only 2 5970s, not 2 dozen ;)
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3363 2011-05-26 22:35:52 <lfm> hehe
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3368 2011-05-26 22:37:02 <jeremid> sipa - yeah lots of pros and cons of difference approahces... anything relying on DNS tho is offloading  responsibility to icann and the various corrupt jurisdictions
3369 2011-05-26 22:37:25 <sipa> jeremid: you're free to run your own top-level dns network
3370 2011-05-26 22:38:01 <jeremid> then others would have to trust the security of a network owned by a single entity.. i would just be reproducing the problems of the existing dns system :)
3371 2011-05-26 22:38:15 <sipa> and you can base that on a blockchain-like structure, like namecoin is doing (i don't consider that useful or necessary, but if it works, so much the better)
3372 2011-05-26 22:38:52 <phantomcircuit> jeremid, well there is one solution
3373 2011-05-26 22:39:01 <sipa> a phone book?
3374 2011-05-26 22:39:10 <phantomcircuit> you can use arbitrary names in a first come first serve basis
3375 2011-05-26 22:39:15 <phantomcircuit> but that has it's own problems
3376 2011-05-26 22:39:40 <jeremid> yeah i agree.. for the near future the btc chain shouldnt be weighed down w/unnecessary load or other complex semantics..anything that detracts from the accounting functions doesn't help promote the bitcoin network itself
3377 2011-05-26 22:40:05 <jeremid> phantomcircuit: it would be cool i guess if you bid on names and then they had an expiration date baked into it
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3379 2011-05-26 22:40:29 <jeremid> but yes totally separate network than bitcoin proper
3380 2011-05-26 22:41:58 <jeremid> i think you could even do a blind auction (after the closing bid, each bidder coughs up a key that unlocks their previous bid)
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3383 2011-05-26 22:42:55 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ping
3384 2011-05-26 22:43:20 <jeremid> btw - this would make operators a ton of money (which i guess is one incentive in namecoin).. miners and whoever facilitates would get fees
3385 2011-05-26 22:43:41 <jeremid> then you can go to africa and shoot as many elephants as you want (like the godaddy guy)   [j/k dont shoot any elephants pls] hehe
3386 2011-05-26 22:44:19 <luke-jr> jeremid: problems? current DNS system has no problems
3387 2011-05-26 22:45:18 <jeremid> but its an interesting question - who gets the fees in a network-wide bidding situation (theres no real "seller")
3388 2011-05-26 22:45:43 <jeremid> probably distribute it to the winning miners over a period of weeks or something.. which means the hashers get the cash
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3392 2011-05-26 22:48:00 <jeremid> well there are lots of distribution schemes when deciding how to pay for a network-wide service. its just a convention users would agree on depending on the chain property being sold
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3394 2011-05-26 22:48:45 <jeremid> you could have the fees flow to everyone in the network! (or a random sample of addresses based on a prng)
3395 2011-05-26 22:48:52 <xenland> How do you go about using php and bitcoin
3396 2011-05-26 22:49:11 <phantomcircuit> xenland, depends on what you want to do
3397 2011-05-26 22:49:12 <jeremid> googs bitcoin-php
3398 2011-05-26 22:49:23 <jeremid> https://github.com/mikegogulski/bitcoin-php
3399 2011-05-26 22:49:48 <xenland> I would lile to send bitcoins brb
3400 2011-05-26 22:50:27 <diki> yo xen
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3402 2011-05-26 22:53:11 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: pong
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3404 2011-05-26 22:53:47 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: will check back in 1hr
3405 2011-05-26 22:53:54 <lfm> diki is mining on a linux? can run the binary in the linux box maybe
3406 2011-05-26 22:53:54 <lianj>  http://www.google.com/wallet/#overview
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3408 2011-05-26 22:54:28 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ok, just tracking down the last bugs on the mswin dpi gui crap, Im hoping to get a pull req and then you can rc again tonight
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3410 2011-05-26 22:55:20 <lfm> diki ya should be able to run it there, might be easier to compile it there too
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3416 2011-05-26 23:02:06 <lfm> at least my compiler
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3420 2011-05-26 23:03:18 <jeremid> do bitcoin clients accept http? that would be pretyt interesting.. the browser could talk directly to the network.. POST http://somedude/tx
3421 2011-05-26 23:03:31 <xenland> Back
3422 2011-05-26 23:03:45 <vegard> jgarzik + BlueMatt: maybe you guys already know, but the IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK macro is not effective at -O2
3423 2011-05-26 23:04:11 <BlueMatt> Ive never bothered looking at it...want to fix that for us?
3424 2011-05-26 23:04:15 <stuhood> jeremid: you can enable RPC to do exactly that with the default client
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3426 2011-05-26 23:04:24 <jeremid> awesome Stabaho
3427 2011-05-26 23:04:28 <jeremid> *stuhood
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3430 2011-05-26 23:05:07 <vegard> I don't know how to fix it. I'm not even completely sure what it's supposed to help for (my linux seems to do address space randomisation anyway)
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3432 2011-05-26 23:06:58 <BlueMatt> vegard: hm, can you test on win32 as well?
3433 2011-05-26 23:07:03 <vegard> nope
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3437 2011-05-26 23:07:30 <johnnympereira5> just wondering if anyone is running into issues with the video card turning on when you dont have monitors connected to your rigs?
3438 2011-05-26 23:07:36 <vegard> don't have windows \o/
3439 2011-05-26 23:07:56 <BlueMatt> not even a vm?
3440 2011-05-26 23:08:02 <johnnympereira5> lol so if im using a linux os that shoudl fix that issue?
3441 2011-05-26 23:08:07 <vegard> nope.
3442 2011-05-26 23:08:15 <lfm> johnnympereira5: ya that is a common problem in mswin
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3444 2011-05-26 23:09:05 <BlueMatt> vegard: I have no idea, but from the tiny amount I know, all modern oses do aslr, but its not as good as it can be if done properly at the application level as well
3445 2011-05-26 23:09:09 <BlueMatt> but I could be very wrong
3446 2011-05-26 23:09:23 <BlueMatt> ie there are easier ways to get around it if its at the os level
3447 2011-05-26 23:09:42 <johnnympereira5> lfm: oo ok good to know! how to do have your rigs connected up? r u using a kvm
3448 2011-05-26 23:09:43 <vegard> but if you can compile on windows, it should be easy to check
3449 2011-05-26 23:09:56 <BlueMatt> check the binaries of 0.3.22 rcs on win
3450 2011-05-26 23:09:59 <BlueMatt> if you can
3451 2011-05-26 23:10:00 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK is 1000% useless on linux
3452 2011-05-26 23:10:18 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: why?
3453 2011-05-26 23:10:36 <phantomcircuit> aslr already occurs by default with binaries built using gcc
3454 2011-05-26 23:10:44 <luke-jr> isn't it always useless?
3455 2011-05-26 23:10:52 <vegard> but I think it's useless on windows too. because the compiler can optimise away completely it really easily.
3456 2011-05-26 23:11:03 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, it would be useful on a system without aslr turned on
3457 2011-05-26 23:11:12 <BlueMatt> hm...probably is then, its built using g++ on win/linux/mac
3458 2011-05-26 23:11:15 <phantomcircuit> although only slightly
3459 2011-05-26 23:11:20 <luke-jr> aslr?
3460 2011-05-26 23:11:28 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, address space layout randomization
3461 2011-05-26 23:11:30 <BlueMatt> address space layout randomization
3462 2011-05-26 23:11:31 <vegard> it MIGHT be useful if it worked :-P
3463 2011-05-26 23:11:32 <BlueMatt> damn
3464 2011-05-26 23:11:46 <phantomcircuit> shit is put in random places in memory instead of predictable locations preventing a lot of bof attacks
3465 2011-05-26 23:14:24 <BlueMatt> well meh, if its already there, and it gets optimized away with -O2, there is no reason to remove it so that idiots who use vcc or whatever can still get aslr
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3467 2011-05-26 23:15:21 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, vcc had working aslr for about a year before gcc
3468 2011-05-26 23:15:30 <phantomcircuit> it's simply disabled due to compatibility shits
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3471 2011-05-26 23:18:09 <BlueMatt> meh, still no reason to remove it
3472 2011-05-26 23:18:21 <BlueMatt> maybe eventually when we do a big code cleanup
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3475 2011-05-26 23:19:32 <BlueMatt> arg wtf, why is m_staticTextBalance->SetSize not doing anything
3476 2011-05-26 23:19:45 <phantomcircuit> lol
3477 2011-05-26 23:19:51 <phantomcircuit> this is why i said fuck it
3478 2011-05-26 23:19:59 <phantomcircuit> also dont bother with a code clean up
3479 2011-05-26 23:20:04 <phantomcircuit> there are other forces at work
3480 2011-05-26 23:20:20 <BlueMatt> ?
3481 2011-05-26 23:20:25 <BlueMatt> like?
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3483 2011-05-26 23:20:46 <phantomcircuit> like there's people working on a better less retarded code base
3484 2011-05-26 23:20:55 <phantomcircuit> so dont worry 'bout it
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3487 2011-05-26 23:21:09 <BlueMatt> and yet none of those are near complete yet
3488 2011-05-26 23:21:16 <vegard> phantomcircuit: which one is the retarded code base? bitcoin?
3489 2011-05-26 23:21:16 <phantomcircuit> heh you'd be surprised
3490 2011-05-26 23:21:39 <phantomcircuit> i've actually got a nearly complete scripting engine in c++ now
3491 2011-05-26 23:21:49 <phantomcircuit> even have fully half of opchecksig done
3492 2011-05-26 23:22:01 <phantomcircuit> so yeah
3493 2011-05-26 23:22:02 <phantomcircuit> just uh
3494 2011-05-26 23:22:09 <phantomcircuit> cool yur jets for like a week
3495 2011-05-26 23:22:15 <BlueMatt> a lot of people share the sentiment that the bitcoin mainline code base is terrible.  Really, it isnt, people just like to hate it.  Wx isnt great but it works, and the backend stuff is pretty good, just a bit messy
3496 2011-05-26 23:22:19 <BlueMatt> though work is being done to clean it up
3497 2011-05-26 23:22:26 <BlueMatt> see: sipa's recent pull
3498 2011-05-26 23:22:40 <BlueMatt> and scripting engine is a tiny part of bitcoin
3499 2011-05-26 23:22:43 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, ill believe it when it's pulled and there are classes
3500 2011-05-26 23:23:04 <vegard> I looked at the IRC code -- it's horrible :-P (but works -- in most cases, I suppose)
3501 2011-05-26 23:23:06 <BlueMatt> you still need a ui + net stack + block/tx/wallet storage
3502 2011-05-26 23:23:19 <phantomcircuit> block/tx storage is trivial
3503 2011-05-26 23:23:20 <BlueMatt> vegard: well considering we control the irc server, its fine ;)
3504 2011-05-26 23:23:27 <phantomcircuit> seriously like 100 loc
3505 2011-05-26 23:23:34 <phantomcircuit> well more than that in c++
3506 2011-05-26 23:23:38 <phantomcircuit> but still pretty trivial
3507 2011-05-26 23:24:00 <phantomcircuit> indeed the netstack is the worst part of the current code base
3508 2011-05-26 23:24:10 <BlueMatt> oh and there is already a pull for sipa's wallet class clean
3509 2011-05-26 23:24:19 <phantomcircuit> Error: Couldn't open server log file "/var/log/apache2/bitcoinconsultancy.com-access.log" : Permission denied
3510 2011-05-26 23:24:26 <phantomcircuit> er
3511 2011-05-26 23:24:29 <phantomcircuit> wrong channel
3512 2011-05-26 23:24:32 <BlueMatt> yea the netstack sucks, but why bother rewriting all of bitcoin, you can easier just rewrite tons of existing code?
3513 2011-05-26 23:24:39 <BlueMatt> takes less time really
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3516 2011-05-26 23:24:59 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, the say it all works together basically means any small change requires a big change
3517 2011-05-26 23:25:16 <phantomcircuit> and it's not like a rewrite needs to use 100% new code
3518 2011-05-26 23:25:22 <BlueMatt> meh, its actually not as bad as it seems, but seriously why not change that?
3519 2011-05-26 23:25:25 <phantomcircuit> mit license ftw
3520 2011-05-26 23:25:54 <BlueMatt> its still better to just rewrite all of the netstack in current code or similar than to rewrite a whole client
3521 2011-05-26 23:26:02 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, well for example you really cant use the p2p networking code without the rest of the code
3522 2011-05-26 23:26:15 <BlueMatt> no, its not currently set up to...not you cant
3523 2011-05-26 23:26:23 <BlueMatt> you can rewrite stuff to use whatever api you want
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3525 2011-05-26 23:28:18 <broker> an i2p network interface would be nice
3526 2011-05-26 23:28:23 <phantomcircuit> at least the networking code was done before satoshi learned about #define foreach
3527 2011-05-26 23:29:00 <BlueMatt> lol, Im not saying the codebase doesnt suck, but why rewrite it all, when its much better to do it chunk at a time
3528 2011-05-26 23:29:05 <BlueMatt> like sipa's new wallet class
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3530 2011-05-26 23:29:15 <BlueMatt> (which is due for pull in 0.4.0)
3531 2011-05-26 23:30:18 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, simply because i dont think it's actually easier
3532 2011-05-26 23:30:32 <phantomcircuit> seriously i expect to have a complete client within a month
3533 2011-05-26 23:30:59 <diki> ;;bc,stats
3534 2011-05-26 23:31:02 <gribble> Current Blocks: 127055 | Current Difficulty: 434882.7217497 | Next Difficulty At Block: 129023 | Next Difficulty In: 1968 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 752852.80892444
3535 2011-05-26 23:31:10 <phantomcircuit> but for now i shall go back to watching terrible american tv
3536 2011-05-26 23:31:13 <phantomcircuit> yeahhhh
3537 2011-05-26 23:31:24 <BlueMatt> I dont care to see more clients, I want to see libbitcoin, for that I would be very impressed
3538 2011-05-26 23:31:35 <BlueMatt> more clients like the current one are just...pointless
3539 2011-05-26 23:31:40 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, pm?
3540 2011-05-26 23:31:57 <BlueMatt> if you want...no one here to disturb though
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3542 2011-05-26 23:34:18 <vegard> I'd also like to hear :)
3543 2011-05-26 23:36:01  is now known as Netsniper|!~kvirc@adsl-76-240-206-75.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net|Netsniper
3544 2011-05-26 23:38:27 <diki> and libbitcoin is?
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3548 2011-05-26 23:41:15 <nanotube> BlueMatt: more clients can't hurt. more separate implementations means, less chance of a single bug wiping out the network.
3549 2011-05-26 23:41:53 <BlueMatt> I agree, but more clients with similar featureset doesnt provide nearly as much benifit as a libbitcoin or similar would
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3552 2011-05-26 23:44:20 <Xenland> Challenge: Your favorite hashing method on PHP5 GO!
3553 2011-05-26 23:45:13 <Xenland> huh....thought i'd get more answers then that...
3554 2011-05-26 23:45:16 <phantomcircuit> Xenland, for sha256?
3555 2011-05-26 23:45:21 <Xenland> there we go
3556 2011-05-26 23:45:23 <phantomcircuit> mhash
3557 2011-05-26 23:45:52 <lianj> Xenland: uninstalling php would be a start
3558 2011-05-26 23:46:11 <Xenland> lianj:how is that a method of hashing with php5?
3559 2011-05-26 23:46:36 <lianj> no but it takes the pain away
3560 2011-05-26 23:46:38 <Xenland> Even if you were implying it would be more secure... it still dosent make sense :P
3561 2011-05-26 23:46:43 <Xenland> oooh lol
3562 2011-05-26 23:48:32 <BlueMatt> sipa: ping
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3565 2011-05-26 23:50:23 <cat_> cool pic: http://twitpic.com/52xmsp
3566 2011-05-26 23:52:34 <diki> Xenland
3567 2011-05-26 23:52:46 <Xenland> diki: ?
3568 2011-05-26 23:52:48 <diki> i use md5, but with sald and triple-quadriple hashing
3569 2011-05-26 23:52:52 <diki> *salt
3570 2011-05-26 23:53:28 <Xenland> So you waste procceses by triple hashing with a low excryption method?
3571 2011-05-26 23:54:08 <diki> i dont think i am wasting anything
3572 2011-05-26 23:54:14 <Xenland> i just heard that md5 was hackable thats all
3573 2011-05-26 23:54:16 <diki> it makes the has a bit more secure
3574 2011-05-26 23:54:19 <diki> it is
3575 2011-05-26 23:54:28 <diki> You can use the GPU to b
3576 2011-05-26 23:54:31 <diki> brute the pass
3577 2011-05-26 23:55:50 <diki> i've heard that bcrypt is slow
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3580 2011-05-26 23:56:26 <Xenland> intresting...
3581 2011-05-26 23:56:46 <Xenland> never heard of bcrypt
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