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   2 2011-05-29 00:01:33 <BlueMatt> then use the timestamp
   3 2011-05-29 00:01:39 <BlueMatt> if you generate 2 blocks in 1 sec...
   4 2011-05-29 00:02:04 <diki> it is possible though extreme luck is needed
   5 2011-05-29 00:02:21 <diki> I suggest implementing a more user friendly way to refer to listtransactions
   6 2011-05-29 00:02:23 <Nicksasa> So what's the best way to know wich payment came from wich user ? Now that i won't use accounts anymore ...
   7 2011-05-29 00:02:45 <diki> by that i mean adding some kind numerical id which pool software must abide to
   8 2011-05-29 00:02:52 <marioxcc> Nicksasa: give a different address to different users
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  10 2011-05-29 00:03:07 <marioxcc> there is no way to track a payment to an user easily, RTFFAQ!!!
  11 2011-05-29 00:03:21 <BlueMatt> diki: txid is such an id, how to deal with it in pushpoold I dont know
  12 2011-05-29 00:03:24 <Backburn> Diablo-D3: MMP and multiminer are very usefull to us, we have many separate locations with a great deal of systems.
  13 2011-05-29 00:04:05 <Backburn> much more efficient than a bunch of independant LP miners
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  15 2011-05-29 00:04:25 <Diablo-D3> Backburn: what would mmp actually provide?
  16 2011-05-29 00:04:46 <Backburn> mmp has a lower overhead for both cpu and bandwidth
  17 2011-05-29 00:05:25 <Diablo-D3> yeah, so does using diff >1 shares
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  19 2011-05-29 00:06:33 <diki> <@BlueMatt> diki: txid: then is it possible you could make it so bitcoin sends it to the pool software ?
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  21 2011-05-29 00:08:00 <Diablo-D3> Backburn: which, btw, I intend on using diff 16 shares in my pool software
  22 2011-05-29 00:08:18 <Backburn> sounds reasonable
  23 2011-05-29 00:08:40 <Diablo-D3> it DOESNT lower the load 16x
  24 2011-05-29 00:08:44 <BlueMatt> diki: it really is not hard to work around that, it takes 10 seconds to write a script which looks for blocks of the same timestamp of the solve, and if you get two, they should still be in order
  25 2011-05-29 00:08:48 <Backburn> sure
  26 2011-05-29 00:08:54 <Backburn> but helps :D
  27 2011-05-29 00:08:58 <Diablo-D3> but combined with lp and x-...whatever-ntime-thingy it helps
  28 2011-05-29 00:09:44 <diki> Sure i have also thought about the timestamp which is in unix time, however if there was a more friendly way to refer to the tx then it would be even better
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  30 2011-05-29 00:10:03 <Backburn> well if you could add MMP support when you get some downtime, it would help my group out alot, we would switch in a heartbeat
  31 2011-05-29 00:10:07 <diki> cause an id is better than having trouble with seconds etc
  32 2011-05-29 00:10:39 <diki> But oh well, i will try with timestamp, if it doesnt work...here comes a custom bitcoin and pool
  33 2011-05-29 00:10:52 <BlueMatt> ok, so write a patch, but seriously there are things 100x more important than that
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  35 2011-05-29 00:11:21 <Diablo-D3> Backburn: if someone submits a patch via github branch, I'd consider it
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  37 2011-05-29 00:11:32 <Diablo-D3> but I really dont see how mmp would help
  38 2011-05-29 00:11:39 <diki> I am not very up-to-date with the bugs with bitcoin
  39 2011-05-29 00:11:45 <Backburn> more compatibility if anything
  40 2011-05-29 00:11:53 <Diablo-D3> um, LESS compatibility
  41 2011-05-29 00:11:59 <Diablo-D3> my pool software most likely wont support it
  42 2011-05-29 00:12:25 <Backburn> sure, but you'll support more formats and protocols making your softwares niche bigger
  43 2011-05-29 00:14:37 <Diablo-D3> well, if my miner IS the most used...
  44 2011-05-29 00:14:50 <Backburn> but you dont want to go having that mindset :)
  45 2011-05-29 00:15:14 <diki> <Diablo-D3> well, if my miner IS the most used...<- which it isn't
  46 2011-05-29 00:15:30 <Diablo-D3> diki: actually, I suspect it is
  47 2011-05-29 00:15:34 <Diablo-D3> why would anyone use a slower miner?
  48 2011-05-29 00:15:47 broker has quit (Quit: zisch)
  49 2011-05-29 00:15:49 <diki> True, i tried your, got lower rate and switched back to poclbm
  50 2011-05-29 00:16:14 <marioxcc> Diablo-D3: lol, ask people why they use Windows and you get the answer to that
  51 2011-05-29 00:16:26 <Diablo-D3> marioxcc: because they play games.
  52 2011-05-29 00:16:32 <Diablo-D3> I already know that answer
  53 2011-05-29 00:16:46 <Diablo-D3> diki: probably because you used it wrong
  54 2011-05-29 00:16:46 <marioxcc> Diablo-D3: some play games
  55 2011-05-29 00:16:51 <marioxcc> some don't know better
  56 2011-05-29 00:16:53 <marioxcc> some don't care
  57 2011-05-29 00:16:54 <diki> Mmm, nope, i havent
  58 2011-05-29 00:17:04 <diki> does your miner support vectors?
  59 2011-05-29 00:17:07 <Diablo-D3> YES
  60 2011-05-29 00:17:08 <Diablo-D3> LOL
  61 2011-05-29 00:17:11 <marioxcc> some had a lobotomy
  62 2011-05-29 00:17:15 <Diablo-D3> mine has extreme vector support
  63 2011-05-29 00:17:20 <Carandiru> why java
  64 2011-05-29 00:17:25 <diki> Anyway, i've noticed that windows is way more snappier than linux
  65 2011-05-29 00:17:32 <Diablo-D3> diki: lolfail
  66 2011-05-29 00:17:36 <Diablo-D3> its not even close
  67 2011-05-29 00:17:39 <diki> it is
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  69 2011-05-29 00:17:49 <gmaxwell> How is this related to bitcoin development?
  70 2011-05-29 00:18:01 <diki> People are used to having programs with GUI, linux is more command line
  71 2011-05-29 00:18:04 <channer> anyone running bitcoin on debian sid ?
  72 2011-05-29 00:18:09 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: because apparently our users are clueless, and its my job to cluebar them
  73 2011-05-29 00:18:09 <diki> people need one-two click stuff
  74 2011-05-29 00:18:14 <Diablo-D3> channer: me
  75 2011-05-29 00:18:23 <channer> i can't seem to get it running :/
  76 2011-05-29 00:18:23 <marioxcc> diki: hard to compare an OS with a kernel....
  77 2011-05-29 00:18:23 <Diablo-D3> diki: dude, fuck off
  78 2011-05-29 00:18:28 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: PM is superior to public channels for cluesticking.
  79 2011-05-29 00:18:35 <Diablo-D3> channer: use the binary
  80 2011-05-29 00:18:44 <channer> i compiled wxWidgets 2.9 from source but it doesn't run
  81 2011-05-29 00:18:45 <Carandiru> why java
  82 2011-05-29 00:18:52 <diki> I've also noticed that the the workspace in linux is smaller than windows
  83 2011-05-29 00:18:54 <Diablo-D3> channer: dont bother trying to compile it from source, sid doesnt ship wx 2.9 and its just a clusterfuck from there on
  84 2011-05-29 00:18:57 <diki> i can cram more elements than linux
  85 2011-05-29 00:19:00 <Diablo-D3> Carandiru: as opposed to what?
  86 2011-05-29 00:19:05 <Carandiru> c++
  87 2011-05-29 00:19:07 <raijin> oops
  88 2011-05-29 00:19:20 <channer> i use the precompiled bin, no error on stdout, it shows up on the tray, bit nothing happens if i click it
  89 2011-05-29 00:19:22 <raijin> i think i accidentally emptied my wallaet.dat
  90 2011-05-29 00:19:22 stuhood has left ()
  91 2011-05-29 00:19:31 <raijin> wallet*
  92 2011-05-29 00:19:31 <Diablo-D3> Carandiru: c++ is a shit language, and if I was going to do that, I'd use C
  93 2011-05-29 00:19:32 <channer> to be exact: the tray is blank
  94 2011-05-29 00:19:43 <Diablo-D3> Carandiru: and I coded C for over a decade, I have a right to choose which language I want.
  95 2011-05-29 00:19:50 <Diablo-D3> channer: use the binary.
  96 2011-05-29 00:19:57 <raijin> might as well start over
  97 2011-05-29 00:19:58 <diki> <Diablo-D3> Carandiru: c++ is a shit language<- have you actually used it??
  98 2011-05-29 00:20:02 <Carandiru> no I know I just think java has a lot of overhead
  99 2011-05-29 00:20:03 * raijin cries
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 101 2011-05-29 00:20:08 <Diablo-D3> diki: yes. I cant stand it.
 102 2011-05-29 00:20:08 <channer> Diablo-D3, I USE THE BINARY ;-)
 103 2011-05-29 00:20:25 <Diablo-D3> Carandiru: it doesnt have cpu use overhead.... and remember, people in here are stupid enough to use python
 104 2011-05-29 00:20:32 <Diablo-D3> channer: hrm weird.
 105 2011-05-29 00:20:37 <channer> but it only showed up a blank tray on fluxbox and stalonetray, so i compiled wx2.9
 106 2011-05-29 00:20:49 <marioxcc> Diablo-D3: why do you think it's a shit language?
 107 2011-05-29 00:20:50 <channer> but no change
 108 2011-05-29 00:20:52 <Diablo-D3> channer: the binary uses statically compiled wx2.9
 109 2011-05-29 00:20:53 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3, diki: please take your vi vs emacs war to pm.
 110 2011-05-29 00:21:07 <Diablo-D3> marioxcc: I could write an entire textbook on the subject
 111 2011-05-29 00:21:27 <Diablo-D3> marioxcc: but friend classes and the existence of boost is very high on my list
 112 2011-05-29 00:21:40 <marioxcc> ok
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 114 2011-05-29 00:21:48 nuberman has quit (Quit: Page closed)
 115 2011-05-29 00:22:02 <Carandiru> I love C++
 116 2011-05-29 00:22:32 <channer> channer@leetbox:~/Downloads/bitcoin-0.3.21/bin/32$ ./bitcoin
 117 2011-05-29 00:22:37 <channer> ->blank stdout
 118 2011-05-29 00:22:58 <channer> sometimes a blank tray icon, which doesn't do anything
 119 2011-05-29 00:23:06 <Diablo-D3> channer: I dont get a tray icon
 120 2011-05-29 00:23:08 bitanarchy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 121 2011-05-29 00:23:11 <Diablo-D3> and the option for it is blanked out for me
 122 2011-05-29 00:23:17 <luke-jr> channer: try Spesmilo ;)
 123 2011-05-29 00:23:31 tcoppi has joined
 124 2011-05-29 00:23:47 <channer> luke-jr, link?
 125 2011-05-29 00:23:59 <channer> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/Spesmilo_0.0.1.beta1_source.tbz2 ?
 126 2011-05-29 00:24:05 <Diablo-D3> marioxcc: pretty much you can google "why c++ sucks" and hit most of the annoying shit
 127 2011-05-29 00:24:10 <luke-jr> channer: I'd use git, but sure
 128 2011-05-29 00:24:22 <Carandiru> haha I gotta look that up
 129 2011-05-29 00:24:29 <marioxcc> Diablo-D3: I did, and most are straw mens
 130 2011-05-29 00:24:42 <marioxcc> there are however, reasons to dislike it, I don't like C++ either
 131 2011-05-29 00:24:46 <Diablo-D3> marioxcc: the templates system is a fucking mess imo
 132 2011-05-29 00:24:54 <marioxcc> agreed
 133 2011-05-29 00:24:59 <luke-jr> channer: be sure to read https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Spesmilo#Quick_start_(from_source)
 134 2011-05-29 00:25:26 kika_ has quit (Quit: Page closed)
 135 2011-05-29 00:25:30 <Diablo-D3> marioxcc: and the c++ spec doesnt specify an ABI or even a method signature munging scheme
 136 2011-05-29 00:25:41 <Diablo-D3> and it has too many rarely used keywords
 137 2011-05-29 00:26:13 <marioxcc> yeah
 138 2011-05-29 00:26:16 <channer> okay, i'll just compile spesmilo (even though i thougt linux was paste the age of 'dude, just compile it yourself0) ;-)
 139 2011-05-29 00:26:20 <diki> May i also add that Windows 8 is officially made with gaming in mind
 140 2011-05-29 00:26:20 <Diablo-D3> and it does interfaces and abstract classes wrong
 141 2011-05-29 00:26:36 <Diablo-D3> diki: windows 8 is windows 7 with the winphone look layered on top
 142 2011-05-29 00:26:43 <GarrettB> diki: what?
 143 2011-05-29 00:27:03 <marioxcc> more generally, C++ OOP don't deserves to be called "object oriented" IMHO
 144 2011-05-29 00:27:05 <Carandiru> what about the speed and optimzations it provides?
 145 2011-05-29 00:27:22 <Diablo-D3> marioxcc: well, "C++ done right" is NOTHING outside of C except for using classes as structs with methods
 146 2011-05-29 00:27:35 <Diablo-D3> if c++ was ONLY that, I'd bang out c++ every day
 147 2011-05-29 00:27:46 <Diablo-D3> but you have idiots doing shit like stl or boost or qt
 148 2011-05-29 00:27:55 <Diablo-D3> and trying to use every single keyword ever
 149 2011-05-29 00:27:57 <channer> convert: missing an image filename `icons/document-new.xpm' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/2940.
 150 2011-05-29 00:28:02 tcoppi has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 151 2011-05-29 00:28:02 <channer> well, fuck this shit
 152 2011-05-29 00:28:05 <Diablo-D3> and it just ends up with poorly planned shit
 153 2011-05-29 00:28:16 <marioxcc> yes, usually that's how it ends
 154 2011-05-29 00:28:16 <Carandiru> what about the speed and optimzations it provides?
 155 2011-05-29 00:28:16 <channer> the make file breaks because i don't have an icon :(
 156 2011-05-29 00:28:24 <channer> spesmilo is shot
 157 2011-05-29 00:28:26 <channer> shit*
 158 2011-05-29 00:28:26 <marioxcc> Carandiru: C++? are you kidding?
 159 2011-05-29 00:28:34 gruez has joined
 160 2011-05-29 00:28:35 <Carandiru> no
 161 2011-05-29 00:28:44 <luke-jr> marioxcc: ltns!
 162 2011-05-29 00:28:59 <marioxcc> luke-jr: have to look up that
 163 2011-05-29 00:29:16 <marioxcc> luke-jr: oh, yeah :)
 164 2011-05-29 00:29:25 <luke-jr> marioxcc: where ya been?
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 166 2011-05-29 00:29:38 <Carandiru> C++ is used because it's fast
 167 2011-05-29 00:29:49 <Carandiru> every modern game uses it
 168 2011-05-29 00:30:07 <luke-jr> this coming from the n00b who thinks every game is DirectXD
 169 2011-05-29 00:30:10 <luke-jr> DirectX*
 170 2011-05-29 00:30:14 <marioxcc> Carandiru: nowdays hardware is damnfast, so than you can even use Java and such shit
 171 2011-05-29 00:30:20 tcoppi has joined
 172 2011-05-29 00:30:28 <BlueMatt> lol minecraft..
 173 2011-05-29 00:30:38 <channer> and still bitcoin can't offer a deb or a USUABLE git repo :(
 174 2011-05-29 00:30:52 <diki> Minecraft is OpenGL
 175 2011-05-29 00:30:55 <BlueMatt> channer: ?
 176 2011-05-29 00:30:55 <channer> also minecraft is java, but in contrast to bitcoin it works
 177 2011-05-29 00:30:58 <diki> although a bit unoptimized..
 178 2011-05-29 00:30:59 <Diablo-D3> [08:21:12] <Carandiru> what about the speed and optimzations it provides?
 179 2011-05-29 00:31:01 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt.
 180 2011-05-29 00:31:03 <Diablo-D3> also
 181 2011-05-29 00:31:07 <Diablo-D3> as a side note
 182 2011-05-29 00:31:09 <GarrettB> channer bitcoin isn't made with java
 183 2011-05-29 00:31:12 <Diablo-D3> minecraft is fucking shit code
 184 2011-05-29 00:31:12 <GarrettB> bitcoinj is though
 185 2011-05-29 00:31:19 <Diablo-D3> notch CANNOT CODE
 186 2011-05-29 00:31:23 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: thats why my comment was a joke...
 187 2011-05-29 00:31:24 <Diablo-D3> and it'd be a pile of shit in ANY language
 188 2011-05-29 00:31:34 <Diablo-D3> and I should beat him with a bat for making lwjgl look bad
 189 2011-05-29 00:31:41 <Diablo-D3> because clearly thats my job
 190 2011-05-29 00:31:47 <channer> srsly, bitcoin sucks, can't find a client that runs decently
 191 2011-05-29 00:31:51 <BlueMatt> anyway, channer have any specific problems, or just gonna keep throwing fud
 192 2011-05-29 00:31:56 <channer> recommendations anyone?
 193 2011-05-29 00:32:04 <channer> BlueMatt, read the log
 194 2011-05-29 00:32:29 <channer> ->debian sid -> compiled wx2.9 -> doesn't show up in tray
 195 2011-05-29 00:32:50 <channer> trued spesmilo all Qt libs installed
 196 2011-05-29 00:32:56 <channer> can't find Qt libs
 197 2011-05-29 00:33:00 <Carandiru> bah
 198 2011-05-29 00:33:08 <BlueMatt> you realize bitcoin doesnt show in tray on linux at all, by design?
 199 2011-05-29 00:33:10 <channer> i'm like "wtfisthishit"?
 200 2011-05-29 00:33:28 <Carandiru> c++ until I die
 201 2011-05-29 00:33:29 <lfm> channer: if you cant get bitcoin running, that says more about you than it sez about bitcoin
 202 2011-05-29 00:33:48 <channer> BlueMatt, you realize there is no window but a blank tray showning up when i run bitcoin32 ELF?
 203 2011-05-29 00:33:53 <BlueMatt> especially since the binaries work perfectly on any debian system Ive ever seen
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 205 2011-05-29 00:34:10 <BlueMatt> channer: then you are doing something wrong
 206 2011-05-29 00:34:26 <Diablo-D3> why the fuck do people keep thinking java is slow though
 207 2011-05-29 00:34:27 <Diablo-D3> thats nuts
 208 2011-05-29 00:34:32 <luke-jr> channer: PySide?
 209 2011-05-29 00:34:32 <Diablo-D3> I mean, you idiots use poclbm and phoenix
 210 2011-05-29 00:34:33 <channer> WHAT COULD I POSSIBLY DO WRONG? by typeing ./bitcion?
 211 2011-05-29 00:34:34 <channer> srsly?
 212 2011-05-29 00:34:34 <diki> cause it is?
 213 2011-05-29 00:34:35 <Diablo-D3> ITS WRITTEN IN PYTHON
 214 2011-05-29 00:34:39 <Diablo-D3> PY
 215 2011-05-29 00:34:40 <Diablo-D3> THON
 216 2011-05-29 00:34:47 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: because it is always going to be slower than native code
 217 2011-05-29 00:34:53 <BlueMatt> well properly written native
 218 2011-05-29 00:34:57 <Diablo-D3> bluematt: except when it isnt
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 220 2011-05-29 00:35:21 <BlueMatt> if you are on a new version of gtk though, you might need wx-trunk of bitcoin 0.3.22 rc channer
 221 2011-05-29 00:35:41 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: hence the "properly written native" part
 222 2011-05-29 00:35:44 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: because JVMs are poorly written
 223 2011-05-29 00:35:59 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: I like how you used plural there
 224 2011-05-29 00:36:12 <Diablo-D3> but yeah, uh, if you think you can do better, go fucking ahead
 225 2011-05-29 00:36:28 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: yeah, it's called mallocing only what memory you actually need
 226 2011-05-29 00:36:40 <luke-jr> rather than mallocing all the RAM available and deciding what to use
 227 2011-05-29 00:37:06 <Diablo-D3> so you fail to understand how a memory pool works and why its much faster than malloc/free masturbation?
 228 2011-05-29 00:37:18 <BlueMatt> channer: and if you had bothered to look in the bug reports/forum you would know that
 229 2011-05-29 00:37:35 <BlueMatt> I go back to <lfm> channer: if you cant get bitcoin running, that says more about you than it sez about bitcoin
 230 2011-05-29 00:38:07 <channer> http://pastebin.com/d5vNSbL1 here are ALL the things i just did
 231 2011-05-29 00:38:09 <marioxcc> what are your guys discussing now?
 232 2011-05-29 00:38:13 <channer> all the typing mistakes
 233 2011-05-29 00:38:24 <channer> everything, fresh copy pasted from my bash
 234 2011-05-29 00:38:45 <channer> even tho it's german i think you should now be able to tell me where i'm doing something wring
 235 2011-05-29 00:38:48 <channer> wrong*
 236 2011-05-29 00:38:48 <BlueMatt> channer: wait...wtf why did you make?
 237 2011-05-29 00:38:52 <BlueMatt> then run a binary?
 238 2011-05-29 00:38:54 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: no, you fail to understand how memory allocation works
 239 2011-05-29 00:39:05 <Diablo-D3> no, I quite understand how memory allocation works
 240 2011-05-29 00:39:08 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: Diablo-D3 can we stop this??
 241 2011-05-29 00:39:18 <marioxcc> BlueMatt: no
 242 2011-05-29 00:39:19 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: just because the default Linux config happens to do sparse allocation, doesn't mean everything works the same with it
 243 2011-05-29 00:39:21 <Diablo-D3> bluematt: he cannot stop saying dumb shit, I cannot stop correcting him
 244 2011-05-29 00:39:53 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: i can just ignore Diablo-D3 again :P
 245 2011-05-29 00:40:01 <BlueMatt> channer: as I said, have you tried 0.3.22?
 246 2011-05-29 00:40:08 <Diablo-D3> ignoring me doesnt stop you from saying dumb shit
 247 2011-05-29 00:40:16 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: I would recommend you ignore Diablo-D3 and he ignore you
 248 2011-05-29 00:40:17 <Diablo-D3> and it doesnt stop me from correcting you for everyone else in the channel
 249 2011-05-29 00:40:25 <lfm> channer: actually looks like it is running
 250 2011-05-29 00:40:29 <channer> w8, http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/aolom6qq/screen.png <-- blank tray icon
 251 2011-05-29 00:40:47 <channer> this gray area apears ONLY when i run bitcoin
 252 2011-05-29 00:40:56 <lfm> channer: ya, it does that for a while while looking for connections and initializeing
 253 2011-05-29 00:41:03 <channer> so don't tell me bitcoin on linux has no tray
 254 2011-05-29 00:41:11 <channer> lfm, ran for like 5 minutes
 255 2011-05-29 00:41:14 <channer> not enough?
 256 2011-05-29 00:41:22 <diki> yo lfm
 257 2011-05-29 00:41:28 <lfm> prolly, is your machine slow?
 258 2011-05-29 00:41:29 <BlueMatt> channer: several things...have you tried running from top level directory? have you tried 0.3.22 rc?
 259 2011-05-29 00:41:40 <marioxcc> channer: it does not, because linux is a kernel, you can have it running on a tty however
 260 2011-05-29 00:42:12 <channer> top level dir? i wont copy that to / because there's something called LFH
 261 2011-05-29 00:42:26 <channer> ho, haven't tried 0.3.22 rc
 262 2011-05-29 00:42:32 <luke-jr> marioxcc: fyi, you can run Linux in Firefox now
 263 2011-05-29 00:42:35 <BlueMatt> channer: no I mean bitcoin top level, ie bitcoin-0.3.21
 264 2011-05-29 00:42:37 <channer> marioxcc, stop trolling :P
 265 2011-05-29 00:42:57 <luke-jr> http://bellard.org/jslinux/
 266 2011-05-29 00:43:09 <lfm> naw, dont run it root. should run from pretty much any dir. do you have env LANG set?
 267 2011-05-29 00:43:23 <BlueMatt> lfm: yea, hes german
 268 2011-05-29 00:43:25 <marioxcc> luke-jr: lol, is he the same bellard as the one of TCC?
 269 2011-05-29 00:43:28 <channer> skskill@leetbox:/tmp/bitcoin-0.3.21$ bin/32/bitcoin
 270 2011-05-29 00:43:29 <luke-jr> marioxcc: yep
 271 2011-05-29 00:43:30 <channer> same issue
 272 2011-05-29 00:43:35 <BlueMatt> lfm: run from root dir, not run as root...
 273 2011-05-29 00:43:36 <luke-jr> marioxcc: he wrote an x86 emulator in JS
 274 2011-05-29 00:43:44 <channer> i'll smoke a cig and look into this further
 275 2011-05-29 00:43:52 <marioxcc> luke-jr: my browser just froze
 276 2011-05-29 00:43:56 <lfm> so it maybe couldnt find the german files
 277 2011-05-29 00:44:00 <luke-jr> marioxcc: he's also responsible for qemu and ffmpeg
 278 2011-05-29 00:44:14 <BlueMatt> lfm: shouldnt not show gui though, just no translations
 279 2011-05-29 00:44:32 <marioxcc> luke-jr: oh, yeah
 280 2011-05-29 00:44:49 <BlueMatt> channer: ok, then please try 0.3.22, the no-gui bug is a known, fixed, but in wx, not in bitcoin, but it should only appear on very new versions of gtk, which you might have (I dont know anything about debian gtk versions)
 281 2011-05-29 00:45:27 <BlueMatt> anyway, Im off see you all tomorrow, I hope jgarzik has pinged gavin about 0.3.22 final so we can upload that tomorrow... (after yet another rc...)
 282 2011-05-29 00:45:59 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: just got baby down.  will ping him
 283 2011-05-29 00:46:07 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ok, sounds good
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 285 2011-05-29 00:47:10 <diki> just got baby down<- translation anyone?
 286 2011-05-29 00:47:22 <BlueMatt> diki: he has a baby, who he just put to sleep?
 287 2011-05-29 00:47:27 <luke-jr> diki: it's called reproduction
 288 2011-05-29 00:47:37 <jgarzik> lol
 289 2011-05-29 00:47:38 <diki> lol. Sounded more cryptic to me
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 291 2011-05-29 00:47:42 <BlueMatt> either that, or he killed him out of mercy like a dog...but Im betting the first
 292 2011-05-29 00:47:58 <jgarzik> that would be 'put baby down', rofl
 293 2011-05-29 00:48:07 <luke-jr> jgarzik: you have 2 PMs via gribble
 294 2011-05-29 00:48:09 <luke-jr> :P
 295 2011-05-29 00:48:26 <jgarzik> luke-jr: you really should check out this thing called email ;p
 296 2011-05-29 00:48:28 <channer> BlueMatt, sry, i'm too drunk to finde 0.3.22 atm, can you give me a link?
 297 2011-05-29 00:48:34 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I hate email ;p
 298 2011-05-29 00:48:43 <jgarzik> channer: https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.22/test/
 299 2011-05-29 00:48:46 <luke-jr> channer: bad excuse
 300 2011-05-29 00:48:47 <channer> oh, nvm https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin u guess
 301 2011-05-29 00:49:16 <channer> well, beeing drunk is probalby the best excuse ever
 302 2011-05-29 00:49:34 <luke-jr> only seems that way when you're drunk
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 304 2011-05-29 00:50:11 <channer> good luck i didn't "Exception up=new Exception("");throw up;" yet
 305 2011-05-29 00:50:45 <Diablo-D3> okay Im going to bed
 306 2011-05-29 00:50:46 <Diablo-D3> night all
 307 2011-05-29 00:51:04 <diki> dont let the c++ byte
 308 2011-05-29 00:51:28 <diki> pun was intended there, it's spelled bite though
 309 2011-05-29 00:51:35 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 310 2011-05-29 00:51:36 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.7,"low":8.11,"vol":12327,"buy":8.4,"sell":8.446,"last":8.4}}
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 312 2011-05-29 00:52:01 <channer> dude, srsly i don't know if i'm just to drunk or something
 313 2011-05-29 00:52:26 <channer> bitcoin-0.3.22rc5
 314 2011-05-29 00:52:30 <Carandiru> lol nybble ( 4 bits ), byte ( 8 bits ), ... it was made that way
 315 2011-05-29 00:52:30 <channer> no make file
 316 2011-05-29 00:52:35 <channer> no configure file
 317 2011-05-29 00:52:39 <channer> no automake
 318 2011-05-29 00:52:41 <channer> wtf
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 321 2011-05-29 00:53:09 <luke-jr> channer: it also doesn't support GUI
 322 2011-05-29 00:53:41 <channer> yeah, well, no problem working without gui, but the documentation is just SHIT
 323 2011-05-29 00:54:06 <channer> (okay i'm drunk [3liters beer] but still....)
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 328 2011-05-29 00:55:42 <channer> fatal error: db_cxx.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
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 330 2011-05-29 00:55:53 <channer> (File or directory not found)
 331 2011-05-29 00:56:01 <Carandiru> wtf they changed kotaku again
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 333 2011-05-29 00:56:13 <channer> i srsly don't want to ldd the old lib to find all the depencies
 334 2011-05-29 00:56:24 <channer> so, bitcoin just sucks?
 335 2011-05-29 00:56:42 <channer> no alternative client that actually works?
 336 2011-05-29 00:58:02 <marioxcc> channer: if you can't properly install software as common as bitcoin, then you're the one who sucks
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 339 2011-05-29 00:58:58 <channer> marioxcc, yeah, well, actually i'm a developer
 340 2011-05-29 00:59:14 <channer> so i'm quite amused myself, that i can't get bitcoin to run :D
 341 2011-05-29 00:59:45 <channer> using linux since about 5 years so i'm srsly all like "wtf?"
 342 2011-05-29 01:01:21 <channer> the problem is the binary doesn't give me an error log or errors on stdout
 343 2011-05-29 01:01:54 <diki> why not use the compiled version?
 344 2011-05-29 01:01:57 <channer> and i can't find depencies to build bitcion myself (which might be, because i'm drink)
 345 2011-05-29 01:02:08 <channer> diki, srsly, can you read?
 346 2011-05-29 01:02:28 <diki> honestly, i have not followed anything you've written
 347 2011-05-29 01:02:28 <marioxcc> channer: then maybe you just need to rest
 348 2011-05-29 01:02:29 <channer> THE STATIC COMPILED BINARY SHOWS UP A BLANK TRAY!
 349 2011-05-29 01:02:47 <iera> thats normal
 350 2011-05-29 01:02:49 <diki> as in a blank ash tray?
 351 2011-05-29 01:02:50 <channer> yeah, well, can't rest 'till i got bitcoin to run
 352 2011-05-29 01:03:39 <channer> if there is no alternative i'll probably implement a bitcoint client myself tonight
 353 2011-05-29 01:04:09 <channer> well, at least i try it, then there is the point where i'm not at the ballmer peak anymore, and i'll just code shit
 354 2011-05-29 01:04:31 <channer> then it's like 6.00 AM and i'll go to bed rly pissed
 355 2011-05-29 01:04:32 <diki> what is your full os spec?
 356 2011-05-29 01:04:39 <diki> it's 4am here
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 358 2011-05-29 01:04:56 <channer> $ uname -a
 359 2011-05-29 01:04:56 <channer> Linux leetbox 2.6.37 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Feb 6 14:52:57 CET 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
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 363 2011-05-29 01:05:16 <channer> $ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep name
 364 2011-05-29 01:05:16 <channer> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
 365 2011-05-29 01:05:29 <channer> $ free -m
 366 2011-05-29 01:05:30 <channer>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
 367 2011-05-29 01:05:30 <channer> Mem:          3936       3774        162          0        272       1958
 368 2011-05-29 01:05:30 <channer> -/+ buffers/cache:       1542       2393
 369 2011-05-29 01:05:30 <channer> Swap:            0          0          0
 370 2011-05-29 01:05:30 <diki> fishy looking os
 371 2011-05-29 01:05:34 <channer> my os specs :)
 372 2011-05-29 01:05:46 <iera> cpu is totally the os...
 373 2011-05-29 01:06:08 <channer> dude uname -a should be enough
 374 2011-05-29 01:06:13 <ne0futur> channer: you have 3 mb RAM ?
 375 2011-05-29 01:06:20 <channer> yup
 376 2011-05-29 01:06:25 <channer> lrn2read
 377 2011-05-29 01:06:28 <ne0futur> bitcoin wnt run with so little ram imho
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 379 2011-05-29 01:06:37 <channer> lrn2free -m
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 382 2011-05-29 01:06:59 <iera> and we totally get which library versions you have by kernel version
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 384 2011-05-29 01:07:13 <channer> do you really want a full dpkg -l?
 385 2011-05-29 01:07:14 <diki> my windows is aching for a reboot
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 387 2011-05-29 01:07:40 <ne0futur> here bitcoin client with gui use at least 64 mb ram
 388 2011-05-29 01:07:55 <diki> 70 to be precise
 389 2011-05-29 01:07:56 <ne0futur> ( and need at least 3 mins before the GUI appears
 390 2011-05-29 01:08:07 <diki> also true to a certain degree
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 392 2011-05-29 01:08:32 <channer> http://pastebin.com/dRdwQY9s
 393 2011-05-29 01:08:38 <channer> enjoy your dpkg -l
 394 2011-05-29 01:08:56 <channer> and now din't flame i don't provide enough information
 395 2011-05-29 01:09:32 <channer> i'm not your 08/15 HEEERP IT DOES NOT WORK noob, srsly
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 397 2011-05-29 01:09:48 <diki> cleanup on isle leetbox
 398 2011-05-29 01:10:27 <channer> diki, just stfu :P=
 399 2011-05-29 01:11:24 <diki> Still have a bit more anime to watch before i hit the sack
 400 2011-05-29 01:11:38 <channer> anime sucks
 401 2011-05-29 01:11:50 <diki> nope
 402 2011-05-29 01:11:52 <diki> wrong there
 403 2011-05-29 01:11:57 <channer> it's only good for noobs and not for those who want real movies like tv shows
 404 2011-05-29 01:12:10 <diki> the real shit is sometimes worse
 405 2011-05-29 01:12:13 <channer> nah, watched dragonball when i was young
 406 2011-05-29 01:12:20 <diki> i actually prefer hentai over real porn
 407 2011-05-29 01:12:32 <channer> the only anime i like today is: elfenlied
 408 2011-05-29 01:12:40 <diki> lol
 409 2011-05-29 01:12:42 <channer> elfenlied is srsly a fucking awesome anome
 410 2011-05-29 01:12:46 <channer> anime*
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 413 2011-05-29 01:13:09 <diki> I have about 350 bookmarked mangas waiting to be read
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 415 2011-05-29 01:14:27 <diki> so did you compile it?
 416 2011-05-29 01:14:55 <channer> can't compile because couldn't find the depencies
 417 2011-05-29 01:15:19 <channer> and yes i'm really to lazy to ldd the bin and check the libs
 418 2011-05-29 01:15:39 <channer> brb
 419 2011-05-29 01:15:40 <diki> w00t, doctor who is out
 420 2011-05-29 01:15:44 <diki> thank you scene
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 425 2011-05-29 01:20:14 <jgarzik> quote,
 426 2011-05-29 01:20:15 <jgarzik> C:\Python27>gpu-watch.py CONFIG-FILE
 427 2011-05-29 01:20:16 <jgarzik> Sat May 28 21:11:22 2011 Server Starts
 428 2011-05-29 01:20:17 <jgarzik> ...
 429 2011-05-29 01:20:22 <jgarzik> *facepalm*
 430 2011-05-29 01:21:03 <jgarzik> The author is probably someone who constantly searches for the 'any' key on his keyboard.
 431 2011-05-29 01:21:23 <channer> so, still no one can help me with bitcoin not firing up?
 432 2011-05-29 01:21:27 <dfc_> n
 433 2011-05-29 01:21:56 <soultcer> BlueMatt: I don't mind a little offtopic talk in the channel, I just mind obvious trolls. That is why I banned erbs.
 434 2011-05-29 01:22:10 marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK
 435 2011-05-29 01:22:15 <soultcer> FYI, you banned erbs too (twice, actually), he just went as "farzong" and "swarngogg" on that occasion.
 436 2011-05-29 01:22:29 <channer> good luck i0m not trolling for once :D
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 463 2011-05-29 02:16:31 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 464 2011-05-29 02:16:31 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.7,"low":8.102,"vol":12647,"buy":8.15,"sell":8.2694,"last":8.2722}}
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 469 2011-05-29 02:22:42 <Adzz> Hi does anyone know where i can get a opensouce c++ gpu miner
 470 2011-05-29 02:23:19 <marioxcc> you make me sick
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 479 2011-05-29 02:31:33 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: that isn't C++
 480 2011-05-29 02:34:40 <doublec> Adzz, https://github.com/tcatm/oclminer
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 507 2011-05-29 03:20:55 <nanotube> UukGoblin: i lke that idea. :)
 508 2011-05-29 03:21:18 <nanotube> sturles: what was that link to my commit all about?
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 510 2011-05-29 03:23:04 <nanotube> sturles: ah nvm, still in my buffer. :)
 511 2011-05-29 03:23:10 <nanotube> sipa: yes we can, on my todolist.
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 576 2011-05-29 05:51:04 <metonymous_> .... ok?
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 621 2011-05-29 07:19:35 <Xenland> Any idea why ubuntu wont take "deb" or "deb-src" commands?
 622 2011-05-29 07:19:39 <Xenland> its ubuntu-server
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 624 2011-05-29 07:20:52 <fallingmeat> you mean apt-src?
 625 2011-05-29 07:22:35 <Xenland> nah deb-src
 626 2011-05-29 07:22:38 <Xenland> and deb
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 628 2011-05-29 07:29:50 <Xenland> oh i guess what they meant was take the deb source-link and add it to the source.list
 629 2011-05-29 07:29:55 <Xenland> i thought it was a command
 630 2011-05-29 07:40:03 <TbbW> lol
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 634 2011-05-29 07:52:54 <zamgo> hi folks
 635 2011-05-29 07:53:51 <zamgo> all busy coding?
 636 2011-05-29 07:55:10 <Backburn> all day everyday these days
 637 2011-05-29 07:56:48 <zamgo> bonus
 638 2011-05-29 07:56:59 <zamgo> i'm working on a bitcoind web interface
 639 2011-05-29 07:57:11 <zamgo> I think I'll release the first version soon
 640 2011-05-29 08:00:29 <yebyen> word
 641 2011-05-29 08:00:37 <yebyen> what's it like?
 642 2011-05-29 08:00:44 <yebyen> does it talk to mtgox? :)
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 644 2011-05-29 08:06:55 <zamgo> haha
 645 2011-05-29 08:07:01 <zamgo> I was JUST working on a mtgox plugin
 646 2011-05-29 08:07:07 <zamgo> function mtgox_get_ticker() {
 647 2011-05-29 08:08:01 <zamgo> it's like very simple now, but working client to view accounts, addresses, transactions, and send coins,  and start/stop server remotely
 648 2011-05-29 08:09:02 <zamgo> php curl to mtgox api is giving me pain
 649 2011-05-29 08:09:06 <z310> do you know how you're going to present it
 650 2011-05-29 08:09:24 <zamgo> present what?
 651 2011-05-29 08:10:04 <z310> all the data
 652 2011-05-29 08:10:08 <z310> in the web interface
 653 2011-05-29 08:10:16 <yebyen> is it going to look like an interface to trade with mtgox, or a way to send bitcoins to an addres
 654 2011-05-29 08:10:26 <zamgo> all in the web interface
 655 2011-05-29 08:10:28 <yebyen> or something more analytic
 656 2011-05-29 08:10:46 <zamgo> both
 657 2011-05-29 08:11:05 <yebyen> and the third way, too
 658 2011-05-29 08:11:06 <yebyen> heh
 659 2011-05-29 08:11:20 <zamgo> standard system for communicating with bitcoind remotejson or localhost, with plugins to talk to pools, exchanges, etc
 660 2011-05-29 08:11:40 <zamgo> and the web interface is skinable
 661 2011-05-29 08:11:51 <zamgo> that's the plan
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 664 2011-05-29 08:13:38 <zamgo> last night, I also did a fun little test.... tracks user session on a website, and calculates a 'Suggested Donation' based on total page loads, total RPC calls, and total page generation time
 665 2011-05-29 08:14:00 <zamgo> Total Generation time: 4.45369387 seconds       Total Page Loads: 14     Suggested Donation       for this session: 0.05153694 BTC
 666 2011-05-29 08:14:18 <eureka^> that's an awfully long generation time
 667 2011-05-29 08:14:32 <zamgo> well, some pages do a lot of work :)
 668 2011-05-29 08:14:51 <eureka^> does it do any caching ?
 669 2011-05-29 08:15:20 <zamgo> nope
 670 2011-05-29 08:15:25 <zamgo> v.simple system now
 671 2011-05-29 08:15:32 <eureka^> good luck with it
 672 2011-05-29 08:16:02 <zamgo> the webinterface will get a dev release tonight, I hope
 673 2011-05-29 08:16:15 <zamgo> but won't announce on forum until it's been tested a bit more
 674 2011-05-29 08:16:24 <zamgo> (release on github, naturally)
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 677 2011-05-29 08:24:25 <zamgo> ok, got the mtgox ticker working...
 678 2011-05-29 08:24:32 <zamgo> needed to not check the certificate    		curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER, false);
 679 2011-05-29 08:25:15 <eureka^> that's not very assuring at all
 680 2011-05-29 08:25:37 <zamgo> for fetching market data it is no worry
 681 2011-05-29 08:25:40 <zamgo> for sending orders, it is
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 692 2011-05-29 09:05:09 <jaromil> oh nice: Backport to wx2.8 and dynamically link most libs.
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 694 2011-05-29 09:05:21 <jaromil> guys, i'm impatient with pull req's :D
 695 2011-05-29 09:05:44 <jaromil> however, my experiments on freecoin are going very well and i'll be able to contribute some packaging experience
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 711 2011-05-29 09:22:20 <Xenland> ;;later tell
 712 2011-05-29 09:22:20 <gribble> (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
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 715 2011-05-29 09:22:51 <Xenland> ;;later tell pwrcycle Did you ever figure out what ports was needed to for pushpoold?
 716 2011-05-29 09:22:51 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 717 2011-05-29 09:22:59 <Xenland> jgarzik?
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 724 2011-05-29 09:37:51 <zamgo> testnet reorgs are a pain for TESTING
 725 2011-05-29 09:37:54 <jaromil> BlueMatt: ping
 726 2011-05-29 09:38:23 <zamgo> testnet faucet lagged for days, is also a pain after reorgs
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 735 2011-05-29 09:58:35 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
 736 2011-05-29 09:58:36 <gribble> 127449
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 743 2011-05-29 10:28:13 <BlueMatt> soultcer: yes, I know, but when diki was doing similar things earlier...
 744 2011-05-29 10:28:24 <BlueMatt> oh well, a warning typically keeps people calm
 745 2011-05-29 10:28:26 <BlueMatt> jaromil: pong
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 747 2011-05-29 10:36:25 <stuhood> ;;bc,calcd
 748 2011-05-29 10:36:25 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
 749 2011-05-29 10:37:23 <stuhood> ;;bc,calcd 1654 38
 750 2011-05-29 10:37:23 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1654 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 38, is 1 day, 3 hours, 24 minutes, and 35 seconds
 751 2011-05-29 10:38:19 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i was looking at the wallet encryption and wondering about libassuan
 752 2011-05-29 10:38:29 <jaromil> do you know it?
 753 2011-05-29 10:38:52 <jaromil> its the new library that gpg uses for memory locking and sensitive input (passwords)
 754 2011-05-29 10:39:30 <jaromil> "new"... well its not well documented, but headers are fairly easy to read
 755 2011-05-29 10:39:41 <jaromil> in fact it got to version 2 without many apps using it
 756 2011-05-29 10:39:43 <jaromil> yet pinentry does
 757 2011-05-29 10:40:19 <jaromil> pinentry is a secure implementation of an assuan daemon, implementing ncurses, qt and gtk2 widgets for safer password input
 758 2011-05-29 10:40:56 <jaromil> i'm fiddling with such code as we speak and i think some parts of the new wallet implementation can benefit from using this, at least on linux, anyway libassuan is portable
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 760 2011-05-29 10:55:27 <BlueMatt> jaromil: interesting...not sure how much it adds though.  It means yet another dep and you are still vulnerable if someone can ramdump your apps
 761 2011-05-29 10:56:15 <BlueMatt> at the end of the day all you can really do is mlock, which bitcoin admittedly doesnt do perfectly (the wx inputs and whatnot) and that only prevents a very odd, very uncommon attack
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 766 2011-05-29 10:59:32 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i understand. my interest in assuan is mostly because: i love pinentry* and i don't plan to use wx
 767 2011-05-29 10:59:51 <jaromil> i also like the process separation that pinentry gives
 768 2011-05-29 11:00:12 <jaromil> so, i'm just working on a new client using it
 769 2011-05-29 11:00:35 <jaromil> however, in case assuan comes in the picture, count on me
 770 2011-05-29 11:00:47 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, mtgox would appear to be down
 771 2011-05-29 11:00:51 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, fyi
 772 2011-05-29 11:01:05 <phantomcircuit> oh nope it's just horribly slow
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 774 2011-05-29 11:02:33 <BlueMatt> jaromil: interesting, the libs look cool but they serve a fairly different purpose.  gpg needs them because they have to enter password in all kinds of apps, mail clients, command line, etc.  Bitcoin doesnt, and shouldnt allow people to enter the password from other apps (at least not until libbitcoin)
 775 2011-05-29 11:02:53 <BlueMatt> for current bitcoin it makes no real sense, for a libbitcoin, it makes fairly good sense ;P
 776 2011-05-29 11:03:31 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: let me check
 777 2011-05-29 11:04:04 <MagicalTux> I see
 778 2011-05-29 11:04:31 <jaromil> any ETA for 0.4 and more particulary merging autotools pull req?
 779 2011-05-29 11:04:42 <jaromil> i can reserve a day and make sure i'm around for urgent fixes
 780 2011-05-29 11:05:15 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, roughly how much traffic are you getting?
 781 2011-05-29 11:05:38 <MagicalTux> 2~3Mbps normally, but right now it dropped to <1Mbps
 782 2011-05-29 11:05:49 <MagicalTux> I guess the layer7 firewall must be having troubles, ISP notified
 783 2011-05-29 11:05:49 <phantomcircuit> only?
 784 2011-05-29 11:05:59 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: no images on mtgox
 785 2011-05-29 11:06:06 <BlueMatt> jaromil: hm, well I havent done any further testing on autotools...did you ever get it to work out of the box with mingw?
 786 2011-05-29 11:06:12 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, load avg?
 787 2011-05-29 11:06:20 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, memory use?
 788 2011-05-29 11:06:40 <BlueMatt> jaromil: also, libs should by dynamic if one is using autotools...
 789 2011-05-29 11:07:07 <BlueMatt> the static libs used now are a bad idea, just used for portability...which is why we use autotools
 790 2011-05-29 11:07:27 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i don't have a mingw build testing env
 791 2011-05-29 11:07:30 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: loadavg: 1.6~2.0 (has dropped to 1.0 now) memory usage: ~1Gbps
 792 2011-05-29 11:07:45 <jaromil> i tried and got confused enough to stop trying
 793 2011-05-29 11:07:46 <BlueMatt> jaromil: alright...ill go test
 794 2011-05-29 11:07:49 <MagicalTux> er
 795 2011-05-29 11:07:52 <MagicalTux> memory usage: 1GB
 796 2011-05-29 11:08:01 <jaromil> which libs are static?
 797 2011-05-29 11:08:08 <BlueMatt> jaromil: though there is a script which builds bitcoin in my crosscompile branch
 798 2011-05-29 11:08:32 <jaromil> i think mingw has very specific requirements for building plus it needs static libs
 799 2011-05-29 11:08:34 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, that's not so bad, yeah your DDoS protection must be going overboard
 800 2011-05-29 11:08:39 <BlueMatt> jaromil: are they not in autotools build? I dont know I just know all our current libs are static with makefile.unix, and I was assuming that was kept for autotools...
 801 2011-05-29 11:08:45 <jaromil> so i'd say don't bother having it smooth in autotools
 802 2011-05-29 11:08:46 <BlueMatt> jaromil: yes, mingw has to be static
 803 2011-05-29 11:08:53 <jaromil> autotools is useful for distro packaging
 804 2011-05-29 11:09:02 <BlueMatt> no, thats the point of autotools...to configure for any build env
 805 2011-05-29 11:09:13 <jaromil> on that side, i am already using it in freecoin and it automates all the distro build from git to .deb packages
 806 2011-05-29 11:09:14 <BlueMatt> and mingw is one such env
 807 2011-05-29 11:09:25 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, not all the libs in makefile.unix are static
 808 2011-05-29 11:09:33 <jaromil> yes theoreticall, but practically very seldomly
 809 2011-05-29 11:09:45 <jaromil> unless you want to setup a mingw build bot
 810 2011-05-29 11:09:54 <jaromil> but then also there you can add patches to the autotools process
 811 2011-05-29 11:09:55 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, zlib gthread ssl pthread
 812 2011-05-29 11:09:58 <BlueMatt> jaromil: huh? no, typically works 100%
 813 2011-05-29 11:10:16 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: no, ssl is static
 814 2011-05-29 11:10:23 <phantomcircuit> oh it is
 815 2011-05-29 11:10:25 <BlueMatt> but yea, zlib gthread, pthread are dynamic
 816 2011-05-29 11:10:32 <phantomcircuit> and dl
 817 2011-05-29 11:10:33 <jaromil> your sed fix is integrated in autotools
 818 2011-05-29 11:10:44 <BlueMatt> jaromil: that wont get merged though
 819 2011-05-29 11:10:49 <zamgo> erg... mtgox api for recent trades returns a loooot of data... very very slowly
 820 2011-05-29 11:10:54 <jaromil> last thing we were stuck at is the static path to mingw prefix
 821 2011-05-29 11:11:01 <BlueMatt> that is the uglies sed Ive ever seen, it was just intended to show you what needs fixed
 822 2011-05-29 11:11:15 <BlueMatt> let me go see where it gets stuck currently...
 823 2011-05-29 11:11:18 <jaromil> yes, it was useful and not needed in the current pull req
 824 2011-05-29 11:11:58 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: anyway, nothing should be static, that was just to allow for a bit more portability
 825 2011-05-29 11:12:36 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, lol well i broke the build by making the boost stuff dynamic at some point in the not to distant past
 826 2011-05-29 11:13:45 <BlueMatt> hm, the debian package is dynamic, as are all my test builds when Im testing stuff
 827 2011-05-29 11:13:54 <BlueMatt> (obviously not released ones)
 828 2011-05-29 11:14:17 <phantomcircuit> weird
 829 2011-05-29 11:14:25 <zamgo> it would be cool if mtgox api for recent trades took at arg to limit # of trades returned
 830 2011-05-29 11:14:50 <zamgo> s/at /an /
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 835 2011-05-29 11:24:38 <BlueMatt> jaromil: also, can autotools automatically re-msgfmt all the po locales to the binary mo's
 836 2011-05-29 11:24:45 <BlueMatt> Im not a big fan of binary files in our repo
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 839 2011-05-29 11:26:09 <jaromil> yes it can but i didn't figured that out yet
 840 2011-05-29 11:26:38 <jaromil> i'm really stepping into other issues and hope other people will contribute later to that
 841 2011-05-29 11:26:48 <jaromil> regarding passswords, what about a prompt for it in LoadKeypairFile
 842 2011-05-29 11:27:14 <nanotube> sipa: bc,probd added.
 843 2011-05-29 11:27:28 <topi`_> we need an autotools expert :)
 844 2011-05-29 11:27:37 <topi`_> i was never into localizations
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 846 2011-05-29 11:27:47 <BlueMatt> topi`_: I was under the impression that was jaromil's job
 847 2011-05-29 11:27:54 <BlueMatt> jaromil: LoadKeypairFile?
 848 2011-05-29 11:28:30 <BlueMatt> jaromil: well most of us are working on other things, and these autotools files are such a mess...
 849 2011-05-29 11:29:33 <topi`_> i've never seen a project that would have an impeccable autotools implementation ;)
 850 2011-05-29 11:29:56 <BlueMatt> jaromil: as a side note, autotools compiles on mingw, but it doesnt static link like it should
 851 2011-05-29 11:30:02 <jaromil> i'm fairly experienced, but i'm not aimind to do all by myself
 852 2011-05-29 11:30:52 <jaromil> i think teamwork means also leave space to others and avoid getting bored yourself
 853 2011-05-29 11:31:15 <jaromil> BlueMatt: ack. yea i thought it was at a good point
 854 2011-05-29 11:31:25 <jaromil> it needs more eyes looking at it, small things maybe
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 856 2011-05-29 11:31:41 <BlueMatt> well typically making a pull means getting it 100% working for you, then letting others point out bugs for you to fix
 857 2011-05-29 11:31:55 <BlueMatt> ack to what?
 858 2011-05-29 11:32:04 <jaromil> to mingw link
 859 2011-05-29 11:32:49 <jaromil> autotools is a big issue and affects more people, so more people should be contributing to it
 860 2011-05-29 11:33:05 <jaromil> i don't see the point in isolating pull requests from other's contribution
 861 2011-05-29 11:33:58 <BlueMatt> no, for autotools, there need to be more testers
 862 2011-05-29 11:34:06 <jaromil> sure
 863 2011-05-29 11:34:19 <BlueMatt> but for most pulls, you get it working, post it, take comments, fix, repeat
 864 2011-05-29 11:34:31 <BlueMatt> until pull
 865 2011-05-29 11:34:37 <jaromil> autotools is not a "normal" pull req
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 867 2011-05-29 11:35:20 <BlueMatt> thats true...but if there is a bug which most people dont know how to fix (because autotools is not the most easy to read language)...you should still try to fix it
 868 2011-05-29 11:36:56 <jaromil> sure
 869 2011-05-29 11:37:02 <jaromil> i don't consider localization a bug
 870 2011-05-29 11:37:07 <sipa> what's LoadKeyPairFile ?
 871 2011-05-29 11:37:18 <BlueMatt> jaromil: oh, no I was referring to mingw
 872 2011-05-29 11:37:20 <jaromil> its a feature for which i'm not an expert
 873 2011-05-29 11:37:31 <jaromil> sipa: got confused, its something i've merged in my experimental branch
 874 2011-05-29 11:37:31 <BlueMatt> localization is just a nice feature which I wondered if someone could add
 875 2011-05-29 11:37:54 <jaromil> ok. back to mingw yes we should smooth its edges
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 877 2011-05-29 11:43:01 <jaromil> luke-jr: plz have a loot at http://gitorious.org/freecoin/spesmilo
 878 2011-05-29 11:43:15 <jaromil> i've made autotools packaging and ubuntu packaging for spesmilo
 879 2011-05-29 11:43:28 <jaromil> s/loot/look/ LOL at typo
 880 2011-05-29 11:43:59 <jaromil> this spesmilo differs from yours since it uses int64 for values
 881 2011-05-29 11:44:21 <jaromil> yet you can benefit from packaging and such, i can file such changes as a pull req if you like
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 900 2011-05-29 12:25:16 <diki> ;;bc,stats
 901 2011-05-29 12:25:19 <gribble> Current Blocks: 127477 | Current Difficulty: 434882.7217497 | Next Difficulty At Block: 129023 | Next Difficulty In: 1546 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 520022.42352867
 902 2011-05-29 12:26:22 <diki> i did some calculations thinking that by the end of the month i would have enough for a new card to help with mining, but it seems even in the middle of June i still won't have enough
 903 2011-05-29 12:27:48 <diki> I've noticed this simple line here. 3000 miners on slush found a block in a few hours, however i got 0.05 from it, the number of miners increased, but the time to find a block decreased just a bit, my payment on the other hand is between 0.01 to 0.02 and rarely 0.03
 904 2011-05-29 12:28:02 <diki> So basically, we need to balance the pools
 905 2011-05-29 12:28:42 <diki> a specific number of miners in a pool find a block in X time, but they get paid more
 906 2011-05-29 12:28:58 <diki> Point is, 2000 miners on slush need to go
 907 2011-05-29 12:29:06 <diki> even more so on deepbit
 908 2011-05-29 12:37:23 <phantomcircuit> diki, that's completely non sensical
 909 2011-05-29 12:39:21 <phantomcircuit> diki, on average your payouts on a pool will be 97%
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 911 2011-05-29 12:40:08 <diki> 97% what?
 912 2011-05-29 12:40:29 <diki> Can yuo rephrase?
 913 2011-05-29 12:40:34 <diki> *you
 914 2011-05-29 12:40:46 <sturles> The reason for lower payout is difficulty increasing.  It has nothing do with numbers on a pool.  A pool with a larger part of the total network power will find blocks more often, and have more miners to share the outcome with.
 915 2011-05-29 12:41:17 <diki> Deepbit found a lot of blocks even when it was 800 or so ghash/s
 916 2011-05-29 12:41:18 <phantomcircuit> diki, they take out 3%
 917 2011-05-29 12:41:26 <diki> the only thing that happened now is i get 0.008
 918 2011-05-29 12:41:31 <diki> on deepbit
 919 2011-05-29 12:41:39 <phantomcircuit> diki, the difficulty is getting harder, so your payout per mhash is going down
 920 2011-05-29 12:42:00 <diki> that has nothing to do with this
 921 2011-05-29 12:42:06 <diki> more miners = less for me
 922 2011-05-29 12:42:11 <phantomcircuit> yes
 923 2011-05-29 12:42:20 <diki> the diff has hardly affected deepbit
 924 2011-05-29 12:42:25 <phantomcircuit> uh
 925 2011-05-29 12:42:31 <phantomcircuit> me thinks you dont understand
 926 2011-05-29 12:42:58 <phantomcircuit> the difficulty has hardly affected deepbits total payout, but their per mhash payouts have definitely dropped
 927 2011-05-29 12:43:00 <sturles> Just mine solo.  If you are lucky you get 50 in one go, and don't have to share with anyone.  If not, you get nothing.  In the long run your earnings will be the same.  (In fact a little bith higher when mining solo.)
 928 2011-05-29 12:43:30 <diki> Solo with 270 mhash/s?
 929 2011-05-29 12:43:41 <diki> people with a gigahash and a half dont mine solo
 930 2011-05-29 12:43:42 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calc 270
 931 2011-05-29 12:43:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 270 Khps, given current difficulty of 434882.7217497 , is 219 years, 18 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 12 minutes, and 33 seconds
 932 2011-05-29 12:43:44 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calc 270000
 933 2011-05-29 12:43:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 270000 Khps, given current difficulty of 434882.7217497 , is 11 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 43 seconds
 934 2011-05-29 12:43:56 <phantomcircuit> diki, just need patience
 935 2011-05-29 12:44:14 <diki> We need caps, big ones
 936 2011-05-29 12:45:15 <phantomcircuit> caps?
 937 2011-05-29 12:45:26 <phantomcircuit> you mean cap how much individual miners can get?
 938 2011-05-29 12:45:31 <phantomcircuit> that's literally impossible
 939 2011-05-29 12:45:35 <diki> no, how many miners there can be in a pool
 940 2011-05-29 12:45:41 <phantomcircuit> oh
 941 2011-05-29 12:45:47 <phantomcircuit> that wont change anything at all
 942 2011-05-29 12:45:56 <phantomcircuit> your average payout per mhash
 943 2011-05-29 12:46:12 <diki> there is no such thing as avg payout per mhash
 944 2011-05-29 12:46:15 <diki> never existed
 945 2011-05-29 12:46:22 <phantomcircuit> sure there is
 946 2011-05-29 12:46:30 <phantomcircuit> it's merely a statistical average though
 947 2011-05-29 12:46:32 <diki> there are simply too many users in a pool that balance is disrupted
 948 2011-05-29 12:46:53 <phantomcircuit> then start your own pool
 949 2011-05-29 12:46:55 <phantomcircuit> enjoy :P
 950 2011-05-29 12:47:10 <diki> what makes you think i am not in the process of doing so?
 951 2011-05-29 12:47:37 <phantomcircuit> that you're complaining instead of coding?
 952 2011-05-29 12:48:11 <diki> Well, i do need to get the card faster, but the serious increase in miners in a pool makes that impossible nearly every day
 953 2011-05-29 12:48:15 <ali1234> also you could just go to a smaller pool if it makes you happy, it's not like there's only two
 954 2011-05-29 12:48:49 <luke-jr> jaromil: I don't get why genjix started a separate repo for it?
 955 2011-05-29 12:48:52 <diki> Your are missing the point. Less users = more time to find a block; More users = you find it fast, but the BTC are split, and you get waaay less.
 956 2011-05-29 12:49:10 <diki> Optimal performance is needed
 957 2011-05-29 12:49:27 <diki> not too much, but not too less either
 958 2011-05-29 12:49:29 <phantomcircuit> you mean rouding issues are involved?
 959 2011-05-29 12:49:39 <diki> no
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 961 2011-05-29 12:49:56 <jaromil> luke-jr: because it includes changes that would create confusion if not clearly separated, i guess
 962 2011-05-29 12:50:05 <diki> When slush had 3000  or so miners i got 0.05 per block found
 963 2011-05-29 12:50:11 <luke-jr> jaromil: it's also based on some ancient version it looks like
 964 2011-05-29 12:50:16 <jaromil> in this particular case he wanted to merge strrpc
 965 2011-05-29 12:50:16 <diki> and the time blocks were found was not high either
 966 2011-05-29 12:50:17 <jaromil> yes also
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 968 2011-05-29 12:50:40 <jaromil> however he is busy on other things so i guess you are the best person to keep things together
 969 2011-05-29 12:50:46 <jaromil> understand what is needed and merge it
 970 2011-05-29 12:50:50 <jaromil> do you have a repo?
 971 2011-05-29 12:50:54 <luke-jr> jaromil: I suspect the autotools would need to be redone for current Spesmilo at least
 972 2011-05-29 12:51:05 <luke-jr> http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo
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 974 2011-05-29 12:52:08 <jaromil> luke-jr: looks like little to do
 975 2011-05-29 12:52:14 <jaromil> i think is worth backporting to yours
 976 2011-05-29 12:52:21 <luke-jr> read over http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo/blobs/master/Makefile
 977 2011-05-29 12:52:28 <luke-jr> backporting? forward porting actually
 978 2011-05-29 12:52:42 <luke-jr> that freecoin branch is forked from an ancient version :p
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 981 2011-05-29 12:53:33 <diki> and this spesmilo is for....?
 982 2011-05-29 12:54:00 <phantomcircuit> diki, you realize the ui doesn't work *at all* on the current ubuntu release right?
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 986 2011-05-29 12:54:09 <luke-jr> diki: mainline is a bitcoin client
 987 2011-05-29 12:54:34 <diki> phantom, works for me
 988 2011-05-29 12:54:41 <diki> hell, it worked right away
 989 2011-05-29 12:54:49 <ali1234> it only doesn't work if you use unity, so i heard
 990 2011-05-29 12:54:52 <diki> yes, 11.04
 991 2011-05-29 12:55:08 <ali1234> that is, it works OK in classic
 992 2011-05-29 12:55:18 <diki> Classic?
 993 2011-05-29 12:55:28 <jaromil> luke-jr: i heard from genjix he took an ancient version yea
 994 2011-05-29 12:55:32 <ali1234> classic gnome desktop, the fallback if you don't want or can't use unity
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 996 2011-05-29 12:55:56 <luke-jr> jaromil: that's silly.
 997 2011-05-29 12:55:57 <diki> ah, well yeah, i do have gnome..or whatever comes with the fresh installation of ubuntu
 998 2011-05-29 12:56:00 <jaromil> spesmilo works on ubuntu 11 since there is pyside there
 999 2011-05-29 12:56:05 <luke-jr> what is freecoin anyway? disgruntled bitcoin users? :p
1000 2011-05-29 12:56:09 <diki> but i use xfce now, still works
1001 2011-05-29 12:56:17 <jaromil> luke-jr: its an experimental branch
1002 2011-05-29 12:56:18 <ali1234> yeah that would work too
1003 2011-05-29 12:56:24 <jaromil> here i am backporting experiments
1004 2011-05-29 12:56:37 <luke-jr> jaromil: usually "experimental" doesn't mean "regressions"
1005 2011-05-29 12:56:56 <jaromil> call it what you want, i can't wait months for pull reqs
1006 2011-05-29 12:57:01 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, it's basically all the pulls that were rejected from mainline for no reason
1007 2011-05-29 12:57:07 <jaromil> so i go forward and experiment and then come back
1008 2011-05-29 12:57:22 <jaromil> i'm surprised how much questioning around this always raises
1009 2011-05-29 12:57:29 <luke-jr> jaromil: sure, but this looks like a case of way-backward
1010 2011-05-29 12:57:44 <jaromil> spesmilo yes
1011 2011-05-29 12:57:48 <luke-jr> forward makes sense
1012 2011-05-29 12:57:51 <luke-jr> not backward :P
1013 2011-05-29 12:57:52 <jaromil> freecoin is rebased regularly
1014 2011-05-29 12:58:01 <jaromil> i'm not touching spesmilo code
1015 2011-05-29 12:58:04 <jaromil> i've just packaged it
1016 2011-05-29 12:58:06 <phantomcircuit> jaromil, im currently brain blocked on other work, what can i do to move freecoin forward
1017 2011-05-29 12:58:12 <luke-jr> jaromil: well, it sounds like I support freecoin bitcoind then :P
1018 2011-05-29 12:58:13 <jaromil> and i'm not happy with the way is left not updated
1019 2011-05-29 12:58:20 <luke-jr> jaromil: especially if it has proper URI support
1020 2011-05-29 12:58:42 <jaromil> yes, freecoin has bitnom
1021 2011-05-29 12:58:46 <luke-jr> (ie, not BlueMatt's broken verison)
1022 2011-05-29 12:58:59 <jaromil> no, the pull req by genjix
1023 2011-05-29 12:59:15 <jaromil> plus has sacarlson's weed (genesis external in .conf files)
1024 2011-05-29 12:59:22 <jaromil> and rpcstr
1025 2011-05-29 12:59:33 <jaromil> and is packaged for ubuntu (only 11 currently
1026 2011-05-29 12:59:40 <jaromil> you get it with http://apt.dyne.org
1027 2011-05-29 12:59:49 <phantomcircuit> sigh im getting tired of waiting for glibc to build
1028 2011-05-29 12:59:57 <jaromil> but let that stay between us now, its not public, but to facilitate testing
1029 2011-05-29 13:00:10 <luke-jr> although, if genjix is too involved, it probably has his braindead JSON-RPC changes
1030 2011-05-29 13:00:13 <diki> i've noticed that compilers dont take advantage of multi-core systems
1031 2011-05-29 13:00:23 <luke-jr> diki: only if idiots use them
1032 2011-05-29 13:00:29 <jaromil> luke-jr: he is not *that* involved in spesmilo
1033 2011-05-29 13:00:40 <luke-jr> jaromil: I meant the bitcoind branch
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1037 2011-05-29 13:01:32 <luke-jr> jaromil: no URI support in that branch BTW :P
1038 2011-05-29 13:03:43 <jaromil> luke-jr: i'm not aware
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1040 2011-05-29 13:03:53 <jaromil> so far i've been following genjix recommendations
1041 2011-05-29 13:03:59 <jaromil> so what i call URI is bitnom
1042 2011-05-29 13:04:08 <Phoebus> I assume, when one gets a new address, all the old addresses still reference the same wallet? Ex - someone saves my older hash as my address and I change.
1043 2011-05-29 13:04:21 <jaromil> phantomcircuit: freecoin lacks testing, spesmilo lacks coding and coordination with the latest enhancements by luke-jr
1044 2011-05-29 13:04:49 <jaromil> anyone trying my last url WARNING FREECOIN is compiled with BERKELEY 4.8
1045 2011-05-29 13:05:00 * luke-jr wouldn't trust genjix with a bitcoind fork tbh
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1047 2011-05-29 13:05:16 <jaromil> IT WILL REDO UR WALLET AND MAKE IT NOT COMPATIBLE WITH 4.7
1048 2011-05-29 13:05:28 * jaromil hopes this being a development channel people know what they are doing
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1050 2011-05-29 13:05:47 <jaromil> luke-jr: its not a fork, its a branch and i'm currently maintaining it
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1052 2011-05-29 13:05:56 <luke-jr> jaromil: also, the freecoin bitcoind branch appears to be unmaintainably broken :|
1053 2011-05-29 13:06:01 <luke-jr> it doesn't merge sanely
1054 2011-05-29 13:06:12 <luke-jr> anyhow, here is the URI branch: https://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jr-bitcoin/commits/bitcoinuri
1055 2011-05-29 13:06:14 <jaromil> it rebases, it requires attention doe
1056 2011-05-29 13:06:42 <luke-jr> jaromil: yeah, but however the source reorganization happened in freecoin, git doesn't track the moves
1057 2011-05-29 13:06:50 <phantomcircuit> jaromil, how can you build the ./configure stuff from the freecoin repo?
1058 2011-05-29 13:06:58 <jaromil> autoreconf -i
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1060 2011-05-29 13:07:15 <luke-jr> jaromil: whereas if I checkout mainline, I can still merge pre-reorg branches fine
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1062 2011-05-29 13:07:33 <jaromil> luke-jr: i don't intend freecoin to be merged as is, commits aren't well documented
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1064 2011-05-29 13:07:48 <luke-jr> jaromil: point being you can't simply merge others' branches :p
1065 2011-05-29 13:07:52 <luke-jr> ie, bitcoinuri
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1067 2011-05-29 13:08:06 <jaromil> if something good comes out of it then a proper pull req should be packed and documented for bitcoin trunk
1068 2011-05-29 13:08:06 <luke-jr> you have to go patch them in manually
1069 2011-05-29 13:08:19 <luke-jr> jaromil: bitcoinuri is already good and working :p
1070 2011-05-29 13:08:21 <jaromil> yes, at this stage there are quite some conflicts
1071 2011-05-29 13:08:46 <jaromil> i think the main achievement is having sacarlson's branch tested and seems to be working
1072 2011-05-29 13:08:57 <jaromil> and for me having learned a lot more about the code
1073 2011-05-29 13:10:13 <jaromil> yet i can't wait the autotools gets merged
1074 2011-05-29 13:10:23 <jaromil> because the current codebase of bitcoin is a pain in the ass to work with
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1076 2011-05-29 13:18:00 <diki> is it needed to sotre proof-of-work of every share of a user?
1077 2011-05-29 13:18:04 <diki> *store
1078 2011-05-29 13:18:23 <diki> I mean i could just get the valid blocks's proof-of-work and delete the rest of the shares i don't need
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1080 2011-05-29 13:19:42 <mtrlt> you can store all shares to keep as evidence that your pool is actually legit
1081 2011-05-29 13:19:52 <mtrlt> if you don't care about that, no
1082 2011-05-29 13:20:21 <diki> keeping multi-billion rows is stuff
1083 2011-05-29 13:20:30 <diki> *hard
1084 2011-05-29 13:20:46 <mtrlt> yep
1085 2011-05-29 13:20:56 <diki> I'd rather keep the valid blocks and truncate my shares table for new shares
1086 2011-05-29 13:21:16 <diki> i'd doubt any pool operator would show his shares table's dump to anyone
1087 2011-05-29 13:21:23 <diki> for the so called legit thing
1088 2011-05-29 13:21:38 <Diablo-D3> http://falkvinge.net/2011/05/29/why-im-putting-all-my-savings-into-bitcoin/
1089 2011-05-29 13:21:41 <Diablo-D3> WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING
1090 2011-05-29 13:21:58 <mtrlt> falkvinge is a genius
1091 2011-05-29 13:22:03 Nes-asleep is now known as Nesetalis
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1094 2011-05-29 13:22:35 <diki> i dont see where the problemo is diablo
1095 2011-05-29 13:22:43 <phantomcircuit> lol genjix blew a fuse
1096 2011-05-29 13:23:07 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, someone who put all their life savigns into bitcoin?
1097 2011-05-29 13:24:21 <phantomcircuit> also his ui concerns are totally valid
1098 2011-05-29 13:25:06 <diki> Can someone summarize? I don't read overly big posts
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1100 2011-05-29 13:25:29 <noagendamarket> I put all mine in too ...it was $50  lol
1101 2011-05-29 13:25:38 <Diablo-D3> http://daftpunk.themaninblue.com/
1102 2011-05-29 13:26:05 <diki> say, luke, is your pool still experimental?
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1106 2011-05-29 13:28:12 <luke-jr> diki: yes and no
1107 2011-05-29 13:29:18 <diki> My question was of type enum meaning either yes or no
1108 2011-05-29 13:29:29 <Diablo-D3> lol
1109 2011-05-29 13:30:15 <luke-jr> that would be boolean
1110 2011-05-29 13:30:26 <diki> not for mysql it isn't
1111 2011-05-29 13:30:30 <luke-jr> enum can be a combination of values, like I gave you
1112 2011-05-29 13:30:33 <luke-jr> MySQL sucks
1113 2011-05-29 13:30:34 <luke-jr> :p
1114 2011-05-29 13:30:39 <diki> but it can be only one
1115 2011-05-29 13:31:18 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1116 2011-05-29 13:31:18 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.6,"low":8.102,"vol":9287,"buy":8.21,"sell":8.3,"last":8.3}}
1117 2011-05-29 13:32:20 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: that article was written by a fool
1118 2011-05-29 13:32:21 <phantomcircuit> diki, his pool software is stable, bitcoind regularly crashes
1119 2011-05-29 13:32:36 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: erm, no
1120 2011-05-29 13:32:39 <Diablo-D3> holy shit, thats all html5+css3
1121 2011-05-29 13:32:40 <Diablo-D3> wow
1122 2011-05-29 13:32:41 <luke-jr> bitcoind crashed once
1123 2011-05-29 13:32:48 <diki> bad luck i guess luke
1124 2011-05-29 13:32:51 <luke-jr> pushpoold is the key unstable part
1125 2011-05-29 13:32:59 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, really? lol
1126 2011-05-29 13:33:06 <diki> So you mean that jgarzik did a bad job?
1127 2011-05-29 13:33:27 <diki> I see
1128 2011-05-29 13:34:32 <JFK911> ;;bc,blocks
1129 2011-05-29 13:34:33 <gribble> 127489
1130 2011-05-29 13:36:46 * luke-jr doesn't think jgarzik ever responded to yesterday :/
1131 2011-05-29 13:36:56 <luke-jr> ;;last --from luke-jr --with later --nolimit
1132 2011-05-29 13:36:56 <gribble> Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages.
1133 2011-05-29 13:37:08 <luke-jr> jerk :p
1134 2011-05-29 13:37:28 <Diablo-D3> dear lord
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1136 2011-05-29 13:37:35 <Diablo-D3> more daft punk than is legally allowed by law
1137 2011-05-29 13:37:37 <diki> deer lord indeed
1138 2011-05-29 13:41:49 <BlueMatt> jaromil: this is needed on my system: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/5b03e088646eb6c0bbb56dca38d9d7649f0b93ec (and a tiny fix for mingw, but that is still a wip)
1139 2011-05-29 13:45:47 <jaromil> looks good except this +#include "../auto-config.h"
1140 2011-05-29 13:45:57 <jaromil> have you tried non-cross build? workd?
1141 2011-05-29 13:46:06 <BlueMatt> jaromil: yea, that was for non-cross build
1142 2011-05-29 13:46:17 <BlueMatt> auto-config.h is in root dir
1143 2011-05-29 13:46:24 <BlueMatt> which means wx build doesnt work without that line
1144 2011-05-29 13:46:26 <jaromil> i have such a bad feeling about this headers.h anyway
1145 2011-05-29 13:46:32 <BlueMatt> we all do
1146 2011-05-29 13:46:44 <jaromil> i guess having <auto-config.h> won't make it worse than already is
1147 2011-05-29 13:46:46 <BlueMatt> but I removed -I.. which is where autoconfigwas
1148 2011-05-29 13:46:51 <jaromil> ah ok
1149 2011-05-29 13:46:56 <jaromil> that's why
1150 2011-05-29 13:47:05 <BlueMatt> and in wx -I.. wouldnt work, so it didnt compile
1151 2011-05-29 13:47:13 <jaromil> yep
1152 2011-05-29 13:48:07 <jaromil> i'm just busy testing a possible new pull req about assuan...
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1154 2011-05-29 13:49:24 <BlueMatt> also, it doesnt bother trying to compile wx when you do a xcompile
1155 2011-05-29 13:50:55 <BlueMatt> this is a long way off from pull-ready
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1157 2011-05-29 13:53:18 <jaromil> i'd say definitely more than half is done
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1159 2011-05-29 13:53:33 <jaromil> and i wouldn't dare thinking that after pulling autotools won't need to be touched anymore
1160 2011-05-29 13:54:49 <BlueMatt> but in programming, the second 50% takes 90% of the time
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1162 2011-05-29 13:56:08 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, unless you estimate them right
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1169 2011-05-29 14:14:30 <jaromil> RPC password prompt using ASSUAN: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/284
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1172 2011-05-29 14:28:56 <topi`_> luke-jr: is the pushpoold the reason why your pool refuses connections every now and then?
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1185 2011-05-29 15:20:59 <diki> Junk code needs to be removed topi ;)
1186 2011-05-29 15:21:10 <diki> I once found a lot of junk in my case i didn't really need
1187 2011-05-29 15:21:21 <diki> *case as in computer case
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1190 2011-05-29 15:23:10 <diki> But slush's pool also can't take all the load
1191 2011-05-29 15:23:20 <diki> i've been getting connection issues for quite some time now
1192 2011-05-29 15:23:29 <diki> 2011-05-29 18:16:25: Listener for "slush": 29/05/2011 18:16:25, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
1193 2011-05-29 15:26:14 <sipa> ;;bc,nethash
1194 2011-05-29 15:26:14 <gribble> 3858.3919640886247
1195 2011-05-29 15:27:17 <sipa> ... if my calculation is correct, the entire amount of work in bitcoin's block chain can be redone in 27 days, at the current network hash speed
1196 2011-05-29 15:27:18 <diki> ewww rose up again
1197 2011-05-29 15:27:33 <diki> and what work is that sipa?
1198 2011-05-29 15:27:49 <sipa> hashing, obviously
1199 2011-05-29 15:27:58 <diki> and why do you want to do that?
1200 2011-05-29 15:28:07 <sipa> i don't
1201 2011-05-29 15:28:17 <diki> then why bother even calculating that?
1202 2011-05-29 15:28:31 <diki> Wasted neurons..
1203 2011-05-29 15:28:40 <sipa> it just gives a nice idea about how high the network hash rate is now
1204 2011-05-29 15:29:00 <diki> 3 terahashes, nothing special
1205 2011-05-29 15:29:21 <diki> that is what...20k miners total?
1206 2011-05-29 15:29:24 <diki> 50k max
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1209 2011-05-29 15:31:02 <Cheery> do you have some proposals on how an ecommerce site would work with bitc?
1210 2011-05-29 15:31:07 <Cheery> or ubc like you say
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1212 2011-05-29 15:32:03 <phantomcircuit> Cheery, you generate an address for each user or transaction (depending on if people are required to register) then you tie that address to the order
1213 2011-05-29 15:32:08 <phantomcircuit> Cheery, it's actually pretty simple
1214 2011-05-29 15:32:31 <devon_hillard> what's the most someone has made out of BTC trade?
1215 2011-05-29 15:32:38 <devon_hillard> on the order of $100K?
1216 2011-05-29 15:32:54 <Cheery> it is. but then I yet need to verify the transaction happened.
1217 2011-05-29 15:33:17 <Cheery> and handle possible refund situation
1218 2011-05-29 15:33:38 <Cheery> yet I'd like it to somehow verify the shops can't cheat.
1219 2011-05-29 15:34:46 <Cheery> well that might belong to some other system than ubc.
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1221 2011-05-29 15:37:23 <Cheery> but I wonder how to verify that when using ubc :)
1222 2011-05-29 15:38:00 <phantomcircuit> Cheery, shops cant cheat?
1223 2011-05-29 15:38:03 <phantomcircuit> what do you mean?
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1225 2011-05-29 15:39:12 <Cheery> I mean that shops are preferred to not cheat their customers, but this kind of thing allows about anyone to sell anything (which is rather okay thing in a way)
1226 2011-05-29 15:40:12 <phantomcircuit> uh what
1227 2011-05-29 15:40:35 <phantomcircuit> you mean because the overhead is basically zero anybody can freely enter any market they want and be judged entirely by reputation?
1228 2011-05-29 15:40:39 <phantomcircuit> oh no? :P
1229 2011-05-29 15:41:18 <Cheery> well there's one thing I want to figure out. I think it's best expressed as:
1230 2011-05-29 15:41:46 <Cheery> if I buy some item with bitcoins, how can I verify I get that exact item from the buyer?
1231 2011-05-29 15:42:11 <Cheery> I know it's not an issue in bitcoins.
1232 2011-05-29 15:42:31 <Cheery> and I know it can happen even if you used any other way to transfer money
1233 2011-05-29 15:43:44 <Cheery> once we have fancy way to make entirely decentralized transactions, how will we be able to make contracts that bind? :)
1234 2011-05-29 15:45:42 <Cheery> I know it's not a problem if you know the partner you're trading with and doesn't have motivation to screw you.
1235 2011-05-29 15:46:11 <Cheery> I know it's also a tricky question.
1236 2011-05-29 15:46:36 <Cheery> will be going to make traditional trades into grocery shop now.
1237 2011-05-29 15:46:43 <Cheery> :)
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1239 2011-05-29 15:49:16 <edcba> bitcoin is risky for customer
1240 2011-05-29 15:49:26 <edcba> credit card is risky for seller
1241 2011-05-29 15:49:40 <edcba> you could start some bitcoin assurance
1242 2011-05-29 15:49:56 <edcba> or escrow service
1243 2011-05-29 15:51:08 <phantomcircuit> Cheery, you cant any more than you could sending cash through the mail
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1245 2011-05-29 15:55:00 <edcba> for more advice you can send me bitcoins right now ;)
1246 2011-05-29 15:55:51 <phantomcircuit> lol
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1248 2011-05-29 15:58:17 <phantomcircuit> sirius, did you realize that mail to @bitcoin.org will be bounced?
1249 2011-05-29 15:58:27 <phantomcircuit> brb
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1256 2011-05-29 16:11:08 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1257 2011-05-29 16:11:10 <gribble> 127507
1258 2011-05-29 16:11:13 <CIA-103> bitcoin-release: Dev Random master * r42d14ae / (4 files in 3 dirs): 0.3.22 build report by devrandom - http://bit.ly/la7CMI
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1260 2011-05-29 16:12:08 <sipa> ;;later tell devrandom pong?
1261 2011-05-29 16:12:08 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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1268 2011-05-29 16:23:50 <metonymous> running bitcoind in a linux virtual machine on windows; it doesn't seem to be able to resolve DNS, and when given IPs directly with addnode it connects, and gets 500 blocks then stops. If i reset it it gets another 500. is this likely my virtual machine doing funny buggery? or bitcoind behaving badly
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1270 2011-05-29 16:25:02 <pwrcycle> xenland been aroud today?
1271 2011-05-29 16:25:49 <metonymous> dunno, just joined :\
1272 2011-05-29 16:26:14 <metonymous> is 500 blocks at a time a default?
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1275 2011-05-29 16:29:39 <Cheery> edcba: that's cool idea. the escrow thing.
1276 2011-05-29 16:29:51 <Cheery> I could share you some if I had some ;P
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1282 2011-05-29 16:32:04 <devrandom> BlueMatt: sipa: I realized later that the gist I pasted https://gist.github.com/806265#comments showed actual corruption in gcc output rather than a no-op transformation
1283 2011-05-29 16:32:15 <Cheery> edcba: but you're joking right? do you know about doing escrow services? ;)
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1285 2011-05-29 16:32:56 <sipa> devrandom: so, any explanation?
1286 2011-05-29 16:33:22 <devrandom> BlueMatt: sipa: did some testing, and only seeing problems with output less than 10% of the time when running gbuild
1287 2011-05-29 16:33:57 <devrandom> so I think it may be at least partially flaky hardware on my side
1288 2011-05-29 16:34:47 <sipa> memtest86?
1289 2011-05-29 16:34:49 <devrandom> I think we should go ahead with no changes, and if we see a diff, just trying it again
1290 2011-05-29 16:34:51 <devrandom> yes, I'll try that
1291 2011-05-29 16:35:13 <devrandom> but I did see it flipping between two possible outputs compiling wx on an ec2 instance
1292 2011-05-29 16:35:27 <devrandom> so it's not *just* my hardware
1293 2011-05-29 16:35:35 <sipa> that's hard to believe
1294 2011-05-29 16:35:43 <devrandom> on ec2 it was about 10%
1295 2011-05-29 16:35:44 <sipa> that ec2 would have the same bitflipping issue as you do
1296 2011-05-29 16:35:50 <devrandom> it was different
1297 2011-05-29 16:36:03 <sipa> well, at least comparable behaviour
1298 2011-05-29 16:36:12 <sipa> a software bug is much more likely, i'd say
1299 2011-05-29 16:36:14 <devrandom> on my hardware, I saw multiple things changing, and the outright corruption
1300 2011-05-29 16:36:34 <devrandom> on ec2 I just saw one type of flip after 50 trials
1301 2011-05-29 16:36:45 <devrandom> there may be a bug in gcc
1302 2011-05-29 16:37:10 <sipa> is there a gitian-enabled way of building wx for windows?
1303 2011-05-29 16:37:25 <devrandom> yes, BlueMatt has a descriptor for that
1304 2011-05-29 16:37:36 <sipa> ah, maybe i'll try building it too
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1306 2011-05-29 16:39:14 <devrandom> so are we building 0.3.22 final using the latest head?  or is it still not final?
1307 2011-05-29 16:39:40 <sipa> it won't be final
1308 2011-05-29 16:39:54 <sipa> oh, latest head may be, but rc5 definitely isn't
1309 2011-05-29 16:40:12 <devrandom> ok
1310 2011-05-29 16:40:24 <devrandom> if you want to build latest head, we can compare
1311 2011-05-29 16:43:24 <devrandom> sipa, I don't think the win32 cross compile was checked for non-determinism (timestamps and such), but might still be worth trying it out to see if the result has any problems... I don't have a win32 machine handy
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1313 2011-05-29 16:43:59 <sipa> gotta go now, i'll be back in a few hours
1314 2011-05-29 16:44:25 <devrandom> see ya
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1327 2011-05-29 17:13:30 <Sami345> fuck
1328 2011-05-29 17:13:45 <Sami345> I found a block, but my bitcoin dedicated to crash
1329 2011-05-29 17:14:45 <Sami345> Db::put() not enough space or something like that
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1331 2011-05-29 17:15:48 <phantomcircuit> Sami345, that seems pretty self explanatory, your hdd is out of space
1332 2011-05-29 17:16:01 <Sami345> no it is not
1333 2011-05-29 17:16:15 <Sami345> 194 Gt free
1334 2011-05-29 17:16:22 <Sami345> *gigabytes
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1338 2011-05-29 17:21:44 <phantomcircuit> Sami345, then copy/pasta the entire message
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1341 2011-05-29 17:23:04 <sirius> phantomcircuit: yeah, bitcoin.org mail is not in use
1342 2011-05-29 17:23:13 Carandiru has joined
1343 2011-05-29 17:23:43 <Carandiru> Selling my 3D engine if any is interested : http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10495.0
1344 2011-05-29 17:23:54 <phantomcircuit> sirius, probably should just point it at some sort of catch all
1345 2011-05-29 17:24:04 <Diablo-D3> lol, selling a 3D engine
1346 2011-05-29 17:24:18 <Diablo-D3> I could write a 3D engine in a week
1347 2011-05-29 17:24:20 <diki> what is the minimum you take?
1348 2011-05-29 17:24:24 <Diablo-D3> oh wait, I did!
1349 2011-05-29 17:24:34 <diki> Diablo:no you didn't
1350 2011-05-29 17:24:36 <Diablo-D3> delicious instancing support
1351 2011-05-29 17:24:41 <Diablo-D3> om nom nom nom
1352 2011-05-29 17:24:54 <Carandiru> really clean code I've put A LOT of work into it
1353 2011-05-29 17:25:01 <Sami345> phantomcircuit, I kinda cannot, I was playing a game and when I tried tabbing back to game -> screen black -> not responding to any keyboard commands -> had to restart
1354 2011-05-29 17:25:01 <Carandiru> still using it to develop a game too
1355 2011-05-29 17:25:08 <diki> You should have at least used SM5
1356 2011-05-29 17:25:13 <diki> and DX10
1357 2011-05-29 17:25:32 <Diablo-D3> who the fuck seriously codes for windows only
1358 2011-05-29 17:25:33 <Diablo-D3> what a noob
1359 2011-05-29 17:25:35 <Diablo-D3> use opengl
1360 2011-05-29 17:25:40 <Carandiru> nobody is using dx10, and only a few game are dx11
1361 2011-05-29 17:26:00 <diki> any demo you could provide?
1362 2011-05-29 17:26:16 <Sami345> in my db.log write: 0xcc0260, 118: Säilö ei riitä komennon käsittelemiseen.
1363 2011-05-29 17:26:54 <diki> I mean, without a demo, no one is going to take the offer seriously
1364 2011-05-29 17:27:07 <Diablo-D3> there are open source engines that can do everything there
1365 2011-05-29 17:27:12 <Diablo-D3> so imo its a scam
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1367 2011-05-29 17:28:09 <diki> i've seen them, they all suck
1368 2011-05-29 17:28:16 <diki> except unity maybe
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1372 2011-05-29 17:29:39 <diki> Carandiru: i would really like to see a demo
1373 2011-05-29 17:30:11 <pwrcycle> !plate mynock http://www.bestvpnservice.com/vpn-providers.php 1
1374 2011-05-29 17:30:16 <pwrcycle> ww
1375 2011-05-29 17:30:29 <Carandiru> I could wip one up
1376 2011-05-29 17:30:39 <Carandiru> currently I only have a game using the engine
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1378 2011-05-29 17:30:53 <Carandiru> I do have a video however
1379 2011-05-29 17:31:12 <diki> do show
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1383 2011-05-29 17:31:53 <Carandiru> http://vimeo.com/785484
1384 2011-05-29 17:32:03 <Carandiru> thats from 3 years ago
1385 2011-05-29 17:32:07 <topi`_> Sami345: that's a funny localized message :D sailo==storage
1386 2011-05-29 17:32:21 <topi`_> maybe disk full?
1387 2011-05-29 17:32:26 <Sami345> nope
1388 2011-05-29 17:32:39 <Sami345> and sailo more like prefers something in memory
1389 2011-05-29 17:32:45 <Sami345> *likely
1390 2011-05-29 17:33:37 <Sami345> translation: Not enough storage space to to run the command.
1391 2011-05-29 17:33:55 <diki> I was hoping for something up to date...
1392 2011-05-29 17:34:10 <Carandiru> its pretty much the same
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1395 2011-05-29 17:35:14 <Sami345> repository or hold says the dictionary
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1397 2011-05-29 17:37:36 <Sami345> To be exact it says: Reposity is not enough to process the command.
1398 2011-05-29 17:37:50 <Sami345> It is a bit silly sentence
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1400 2011-05-29 17:38:17 <topi`_> Sami345: what did you do when you got the error?
1401 2011-05-29 17:38:30 <Sami345> I clicked "OK"
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1403 2011-05-29 17:38:39 <Sami345> oh
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1405 2011-05-29 17:38:43 <Sami345> before error
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1407 2011-05-29 17:38:59 <Sami345> well, I was playing a game, miner running on the background
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1409 2011-05-29 17:40:03 <Sami345> I am not sure if I actually found a block
1410 2011-05-29 17:40:21 <Sami345> I just don't think there is any other reason for it to put data in database
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1415 2011-05-29 17:43:00 <pwrcycle> what's the command to gribble to leave a msg for someone else??
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1417 2011-05-29 17:49:06 <diki> it's ;;pm user msg. Gribble doesnt confirm that the message is sent, but it is
1418 2011-05-29 17:49:27 <Sami345> ;;pm Sami345 asd
1419 2011-05-29 17:49:29 <gribble> Error: "pm" is not a valid command.
1420 2011-05-29 17:49:30 <diki> J/k of course
1421 2011-05-29 17:49:51 <forrestv> ;;later tell user msg
1422 2011-05-29 17:49:51 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
1423 2011-05-29 17:49:53 <forrestv> isn't it?
1424 2011-05-29 17:50:31 <Sami345> ;;later
1425 2011-05-29 17:50:32 <gribble> Error: "later" is not a valid command.
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1428 2011-05-29 17:57:08 <forrestv> it's later tell
1429 2011-05-29 17:57:12 <forrestv> not just later
1430 2011-05-29 17:57:13 <forrestv> ...
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1433 2011-05-29 17:58:18 <diki> ;;later aligator
1434 2011-05-29 17:58:18 <gribble> Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "aligator" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
1435 2011-05-29 17:58:43 <Sami345> ;;later tell Sami345 lol
1436 2011-05-29 17:58:43 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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1447 2011-05-29 18:10:34 <BlueMatt> devrandom: sipa no, win32 gitian build was never checked for determinism.  Im sure boost has some kind of timestamp hiding somewhere... if you have time to test take a look at https://gist.github.com/961527 which pulls the gitian descriptor from my crosscompile branch
1448 2011-05-29 18:11:11 <devrandom> hey BlueMatt
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1450 2011-05-29 18:11:35 <BlueMatt> hi
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1455 2011-05-29 18:12:37 <devrandom> BlueMatt: how goes?
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1457 2011-05-29 18:12:58 <BlueMatt> pretty good, just waiting for some holy alpaca pee and head will become 0.3.22 final
1458 2011-05-29 18:13:07 <BlueMatt> (meaning gavin's ack)
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1460 2011-05-29 18:13:09 <devrandom> cool
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1465 2011-05-29 18:13:44 <devrandom> does your build bot publish the report?
1466 2011-05-29 18:14:01 <BlueMatt> yea, there should be a console output link
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1468 2011-05-29 18:14:09 <BlueMatt> you mean jenkins?
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1470 2011-05-29 18:14:33 <devrandom> yeah
1471 2011-05-29 18:14:49 <BlueMatt> yea if you click on an individual build, there should be a link to console output
1472 2011-05-29 18:14:57 <BlueMatt> ie http://www.bluematt.me/jenkins/job/Bitcoin/38/console
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1474 2011-05-29 18:15:46 <devrandom> oh, I thought it used gitian
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1477 2011-05-29 18:16:25 <BlueMatt> no, sadly not
1478 2011-05-29 18:16:37 <BlueMatt> its just there to make sure people stop breaking the builds...
1479 2011-05-29 18:16:42 <BlueMatt> BlueMattBot: status Bitcoin
1480 2011-05-29 18:16:43 <BlueMattBot> Bitcoin: last build: 38 (22 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://www.bluematt.me/jenkins/job/Bitcoin/38/
1481 2011-05-29 18:16:50 <devrandom> gotcha
1482 2011-05-29 18:16:53 <BlueMatt> it comes on here and complains if something breaks
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1484 2011-05-29 18:17:41 <BlueMatt> (that runs on a vm so gitian would be hard)
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1486 2011-05-29 18:18:46 <devrandom> I'm still trying to figure out which compiler flags cause indeterminism, but I'm cautiously optimistic that the non-determinism is rare enough (<20%) that we'll be able to work around it by just trying again
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1489 2011-05-29 18:19:19 <BlueMatt> yea I read that...seems really odd, but I suppose I dont know much about the internals of gcc anyway so...
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1491 2011-05-29 18:19:50 <devrandom> even on ec2 I see some reordering of opcodes with -O2
1492 2011-05-29 18:20:01 <BlueMatt> anyway, having to run gitian twice isnt a huge deal
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1494 2011-05-29 18:20:14 <devrandom> completely deterministic with -O1 to date, but I assume you want more optimization than that ;)
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1496 2011-05-29 18:20:27 <devrandom> yeah
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1499 2011-05-29 18:21:01 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
1500 2011-05-29 18:21:01 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.4992,"low":8.102,"vol":8590,"buy":8.26,"sell":8.295,"last":8.3}}
1501 2011-05-29 18:21:09 <BlueMatt> (Im assuming there isnt much research online about indeterminism in compilers) have you asked around in the relevant gcc chans and/or mailing lists?
1502 2011-05-29 18:21:14 <Diablo-D3> thats not bad at all
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1504 2011-05-29 18:21:23 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: not bad at all...
1505 2011-05-29 18:21:45 <devrandom> BlueMatt:  I'd really like it to be highly repeatable so that distributions can use the process in a pretty automated way
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1508 2011-05-29 18:22:05 <devrandom> I'll follow up with the gcc people once I narrow it down to specific optimization flags
1509 2011-05-29 18:22:26 <BlueMatt> yea, I agree...I mean for bitcoin, for now, its not a huge deal.  In the future obviously it could become a problem, but its not a big deal now
1510 2011-05-29 18:23:08 <devrandom> dang, I got a flip with -O1
1511 2011-05-29 18:23:10 <devrandom> on ec2
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1513 2011-05-29 18:23:49 <BlueMatt> damn, does gcc have any kind of threading if you dont specify a -j2 on the compiler?
1514 2011-05-29 18:23:59 <BlueMatt> maybe its just a race
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1516 2011-05-29 18:24:20 <devrandom> I'm 99% sure it doesn't use any threading
1517 2011-05-29 18:24:35 <BlueMatt> hm, yea I would bet so as well...
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1520 2011-05-29 18:26:30 <Phoebus> Is the transaction fee changing from 0.01 now that BTC exchange is so high?
1521 2011-05-29 18:27:01 <BlueMatt> Phoebus: yes, see the 0.3.22 rc thread and the rfc thread on that exact topic
1522 2011-05-29 18:27:44 <Phoebus> Linky somewhere?
1523 2011-05-29 18:28:09 <Phoebus> That cost me 8 cents at this rate, pretty pricey.
1524 2011-05-29 18:28:36 <BlueMatt> http://www.google.com/
1525 2011-05-29 18:28:43 <Phoebus> :P
1526 2011-05-29 18:29:03 <Phoebus> Does gribble google? I guess no.
1527 2011-05-29 18:29:10 <BlueMatt> I think he does
1528 2011-05-29 18:29:16 <BlueMatt> ;;google bitcoin fee change
1529 2011-05-29 18:29:16 <gribble> Bitcoin version 0.3.21: <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6642.0>; [RFC] New TX fee: 0.0005 BTC - Bitcoin: <http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=7749.60>; Bitcoin: The Digital Currency That Can Change Everything | Tech ...: <http://www.techthefuture.com/future/bitcoin-the-digital-currency-that-can-change-everything/>
1530 2011-05-29 18:29:24 <BlueMatt> the second one looks like it
1531 2011-05-29 18:29:48 <Phoebus> okies cheers. Cuz I couldn't google that see. I got junk results.
1532 2011-05-29 18:29:50 <Xenland> Why is it that when i try to run bitcoind (with chmod +x set) it says : cannot execute binary file?
1533 2011-05-29 18:30:14 <BlueMatt> Xenland: are you trying to run the 32 bit when you should be running 64 or vica versa?
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1535 2011-05-29 18:30:52 <Xenland> lol yeah it works now
1536 2011-05-29 18:31:01 <BlueMatt> :P
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1538 2011-05-29 18:31:01 <Xenland> im soo a shamed
1539 2011-05-29 18:31:15 <BlueMatt> meh like I dont do that every other day...
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1541 2011-05-29 18:31:32 <Xenland> :P
1542 2011-05-29 18:31:55 <Xenland> is there a --config=/home/username/.bincoin/bitcoin.conf flag?
1543 2011-05-29 18:32:04 <BlueMatt> -datadir=...
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1545 2011-05-29 18:32:11 <BlueMatt> but that is the entire dir
1546 2011-05-29 18:32:21 <BlueMatt> and iirc there is a bug in loading conf files from datadir properly
1547 2011-05-29 18:32:34 <BlueMatt> though I cant recall the exact details
1548 2011-05-29 18:32:55 <Xenland> i think your right, about the bug, i'll just leave default
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1550 2011-05-29 18:34:09 <BlueMatt> or you could fix the bug for us :P
1551 2011-05-29 18:34:46 <kiba> BOOM
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1553 2011-05-29 18:35:04 <BlueMatt> jaromil: ok, Ive almost gotten it running on mingw, it compiles with wx now, but it needs a bit more work...
1554 2011-05-29 18:35:20 <diki> i moved my server.json file to / and just do --config=server.json. Removes the hassle from typing all the paths
1555 2011-05-29 18:35:21 <BlueMatt> kiba: KABOOM
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1559 2011-05-29 18:37:04 <BlueMatt> jaromil: and I take back what I said earlier about autotools being not very well done...that was just because it had looked like --enable-gui had never been tested, but linux seems to be building for me now 100% so, I suppose I was wrong
1560 2011-05-29 18:37:22 <BlueMatt> sorry about that
1561 2011-05-29 18:37:52 <diki> ;;bc,calc 275000
1562 2011-05-29 18:37:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 275000 Khps, given current difficulty of 434882.7217497 , is 11 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, 40 minutes, and 25 seconds
1563 2011-05-29 18:38:01 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 275000
1564 2011-05-29 18:38:01 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
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1566 2011-05-29 18:38:50 <diki> i wonder what happened to the guy last night who couldnt compile bitcoin
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1568 2011-05-29 18:42:08 <BlueMatt> meh, probably sobered up and got it running in 30 secs
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1571 2011-05-29 18:42:28 <devn> hello
1572 2011-05-29 18:42:37 <GarrettB> yo
1573 2011-05-29 18:42:40 <diki> Hello, how may i help you?
1574 2011-05-29 18:42:58 <BlueMatt> hi, how ya doin?
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1576 2011-05-29 18:44:04 <Cheery> bitchcoin.
1577 2011-05-29 18:44:18 <Cheery> so little editing difference
1578 2011-05-29 18:44:20 <Cheery> :)
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1580 2011-05-29 18:45:26 <Xenland> Whats a good way to anti-ddos a server?
1581 2011-05-29 18:46:20 <kika_> Xenland: facebook uses... some company that takes care of it
1582 2011-05-29 18:46:23 <diki> So, watts = Amps multiplied by volts, but my card is running at 1.087v and amps are 80, nowhere near the 150 tdp
1583 2011-05-29 18:47:17 <Xenland> kika: lol thats really helpful
1584 2011-05-29 18:47:26 <Xenland> I should have thought of that
1585 2011-05-29 18:47:58 <BlueMatt> diki: most cards dont run _at_ tdp, especially since bitcoin doesnt do any flo's meaning many parts of the card are left unused
1586 2011-05-29 18:48:15 <BlueMatt> Xenland: yea, most companies/sites leave it up to someone else to handle ddos protection
1587 2011-05-29 18:48:22 <diki> so meaning i am using only, what...90 watts?
1588 2011-05-29 18:48:35 <BlueMatt> ;;calc 1.087 * 80
1589 2011-05-29 18:48:35 <gribble> 1.08700 * 80 = 86.96
1590 2011-05-29 18:48:39 <BlueMatt> yep
1591 2011-05-29 18:48:46 <diki> somehow doubtfull...
1592 2011-05-29 18:48:54 <diki> but why is the Amperage so high?
1593 2011-05-29 18:48:58 <Xenland> ahh
1594 2011-05-29 18:48:58 <BlueMatt> well that might also be wrong...
1595 2011-05-29 18:49:06 <BlueMatt> how did you measure the amps?
1596 2011-05-29 18:49:11 <diki> According to my PSU it only has up to 58
1597 2011-05-29 18:49:14 <diki> on all 4 rails
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1599 2011-05-29 18:49:25 <BlueMatt> hm, well you might ask ArtForzZy
1600 2011-05-29 18:49:32 <diki> Well i am measuring it via software
1601 2011-05-29 18:50:20 <Xenland> I have an annoying error with perl, everything i install says perl: warning :Setting locale failed.  Everything still works its just i think that it dosent becuase of the nasty error, Any idea how to set the locale?
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1603 2011-05-29 18:50:35 <Xenland> no one on google had an updated answer
1604 2011-05-29 18:50:43 <BlueMatt> Xenland: export LC_ALL=en_US
1605 2011-05-29 18:50:45 <diki> xen, what are you going to use perl for?
1606 2011-05-29 18:50:45 <BlueMatt> or similar
1607 2011-05-29 18:50:59 <pwrcycle> hey Xenland
1608 2011-05-29 18:51:12 <devn> anyone using AWS to mine?
1609 2011-05-29 18:51:13 <pwrcycle> Xenland: did you get past the tcp bind?
1610 2011-05-29 18:51:14 <Xenland> hola pwrcycle
1611 2011-05-29 18:51:16 <devn> or is it a fool's errand?
1612 2011-05-29 18:51:33 <Xenland> i sure did, i was binding to my local computer address and not my server address lol
1613 2011-05-29 18:51:38 <pwrcycle> in your config you specified 10.0.0.x
1614 2011-05-29 18:51:44 <devn> cheaper to buy a full mining system with a radeon 57xx series card or to leverage AWS GPU instances?
1615 2011-05-29 18:51:47 <Xenland> thanks tho mate!
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1617 2011-05-29 18:51:58 <Xenland> diki: for ultimate pool services
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1619 2011-05-29 18:52:08 <pwrcycle> Xenland: i've had my pool running overnight. no prob.
1620 2011-05-29 18:52:09 <diki> what?
1621 2011-05-29 18:52:15 <diki> pwrcycle, specs?
1622 2011-05-29 18:52:21 <Xenland> thats good to hear :)
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1624 2011-05-29 18:52:28 <pwrcycle> so i'm curious about how to read the "shares"
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1626 2011-05-29 18:52:29 <Xenland> glad my guide worked out for you
1627 2011-05-29 18:52:32 <devn> anyone have decent information on mining?
1628 2011-05-29 18:52:34 <devn> Xenland: link?
1629 2011-05-29 18:52:42 <pwrcycle> and how to know when if ever they find a block answer
1630 2011-05-29 18:52:53 <diki> pwrcycle: few ways
1631 2011-05-29 18:53:05 <pwrcycle> diki: Ubuntu 10.4
1632 2011-05-29 18:53:16 <Xenland> pwrcycle: lol I had to a crong job that gets the current account balance, and if it 50+ more then the last time you found a block and it acts according ly
1633 2011-05-29 18:53:16 <diki> pwrcycle: i meant the computer specs
1634 2011-05-29 18:53:20 <diki> ram, cpu etc
1635 2011-05-29 18:53:20 <BlueMatt> devn: no, aws gpu uses nvidias which are terrible at mining, you lose money...that was a long time ago, but I dont think its changed dramatically
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1637 2011-05-29 18:53:40 <pwrcycle> diki: vps 512k ram
1638 2011-05-29 18:54:06 <Xenland> lol 512k
1639 2011-05-29 18:54:09 <diki> 512mb...are you sure it's going to be okay?\
1640 2011-05-29 18:54:26 <Xenland> i dunno why im lawl'n when i only have 64mb memory
1641 2011-05-29 18:54:34 <diki> lol
1642 2011-05-29 18:54:43 <diki> and i have dedicated only 400 to my vm
1643 2011-05-29 18:54:47 <pwrcycle> diki: err 512 M of ram, 1000MHZ CPU limit
1644 2011-05-29 18:54:56 <diki> lol
1645 2011-05-29 18:55:02 <diki> 1Ghz cpu?
1646 2011-05-29 18:55:20 <diki> well, if it is a quad, then there might be no problems
1647 2011-05-29 18:55:23 <pwrcycle> diki: it's a vps, that's what they say in specs
1648 2011-05-29 18:55:28 <pwrcycle> ram is my bigger issue
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1650 2011-05-29 18:55:47 <diki> how much is being used now?
1651 2011-05-29 18:55:52 <diki> with everything running?
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1653 2011-05-29 18:56:03 <Xenland> lol i have 3mb left
1654 2011-05-29 18:56:03 <pwrcycle> but i have bitciond pushpool memcached & mysqld all running well.
1655 2011-05-29 18:57:00 <diki> I've checked a few guides on the internet about winsockets, and man...are they easy to use
1656 2011-05-29 18:57:12 <diki> 10 lines of code and you have a server running at your desired port
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1658 2011-05-29 18:57:43 <pwrcycle> free -m = 284 used, 228 free
1659 2011-05-29 18:57:52 <pwrcycle> i'm only running 2 cpuminers on it though
1660 2011-05-29 18:57:56 <diki> how have you designed your tables?
1661 2011-05-29 18:58:31 <pwrcycle> diki: i copied Xenland's setup
1662 2011-05-29 18:59:20 <Xenland> i copyed diki's tables fyi
1663 2011-05-29 18:59:53 <pwrcycle> diki: i'm actctually looking at droping mysqld altogether. that's why i was asking about reading the shares
1664 2011-05-29 19:00:11 <diki> what are you going to be using then?
1665 2011-05-29 19:00:15 <diki> as a db
1666 2011-05-29 19:00:23 <pwrcycle> if i knew what i was looking for, i was thinking of writing perl to manage it
1667 2011-05-29 19:00:44 <diki> you would have to prolly change pushpool's source
1668 2011-05-29 19:00:57 <pwrcycle> diki: the logs, deleting old logs instead of keeping them in the DB.
1669 2011-05-29 19:01:05 <diki> i was thinking of that as well
1670 2011-05-29 19:01:23 <pwrcycle> diki: my big change question is how pushpool checks the DB for user/pass
1671 2011-05-29 19:01:24 <devn> Does anyone have a decent guide on mining? I'm interested in building a small mining system, and would like some reference material.
1672 2011-05-29 19:01:26 <diki> but in my case, is deleting the old shares in the db for the new ones
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1674 2011-05-29 19:01:46 <pwrcycle> diki: how does luke-jr accept new miners with only btc account number?
1675 2011-05-29 19:02:04 <lfm> devn just get a big ati gpu
1676 2011-05-29 19:02:15 <diki> pwrcycle: stmt.pwdb
1677 2011-05-29 19:02:42 <devn> lfm: what if i dont have a desktop at the moment -- are there any suggestions on off-the-shelf mining boxes?
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1679 2011-05-29 19:03:23 <diki> Or to be more precise it should be if (mysql_stmt_prepare(stmt, srv.db_stmt_pwdb,
1680 2011-05-29 19:03:23 <diki> 			       strlen(srv.db_stmt_pwdb)))
1681 2011-05-29 19:03:30 <lfm> devn you dont need much cpu or memory. some people have been using amd semprons cuz they're cheap.
1682 2011-05-29 19:03:37 <pwrcycle> diki: how does that work
1683 2011-05-29 19:03:47 <lfm> devn you only need a small hard drive too
1684 2011-05-29 19:03:57 <devn> lfm: is it possible to take an ATI GPU and run it...externally?
1685 2011-05-29 19:04:11 <lfm> devn I dont think so
1686 2011-05-29 19:04:13 <devn> I have a macbook pro right now, wondering what my options are short of building a new machien
1687 2011-05-29 19:04:16 <devn> machine*
1688 2011-05-29 19:04:18 <diki> Well, i don't know the arguments which that function takes, but it prolly returns a boolean
1689 2011-05-29 19:04:37 <lfm> devn not much chance of that
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1691 2011-05-29 19:05:01 <pwrcycle> diki: what are the other options for "engine" : "mysql",
1692 2011-05-29 19:05:05 <diki> if it returns 1 it's an error, if not, then it was ok
1693 2011-05-29 19:05:16 <diki> the other engines are postgresql and sqlite
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1695 2011-05-29 19:05:24 <pwrcycle> diki: could i use PAM? or just straight txt file?
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1697 2011-05-29 19:05:32 <diki> pam?
1698 2011-05-29 19:05:53 <lfm> pwrcycle: pam is for people logging in to you system
1699 2011-05-29 19:05:54 <pwrcycle> pam is linux password mechanixm.
1700 2011-05-29 19:06:14 <diki> i have no idea what you want to put a password on
1701 2011-05-29 19:06:58 <lfm> pwrcycle: plain text file might work for small numbers of users
1702 2011-05-29 19:07:05 <pwrcycle> forget pam though, how could i change that SELECT call to just store the sent Username to a file for later payout if success.
1703 2011-05-29 19:07:31 <diki> whatever change is neede, you will likely need to change the core of pushpool
1704 2011-05-29 19:07:36 <diki> *needed
1705 2011-05-29 19:08:12 <diki> since it needs either mysql,posgresql or sqlite and has prepared statements for all of them
1706 2011-05-29 19:08:20 <diki> not using either of them will brake the program
1707 2011-05-29 19:08:23 <espeer> i'm missing something somewhere... the block nonce which varies is 32 bits... so there are 4 billion hashes to try per block... at gigahash rates, it shouldn't take long to "solve" a block? or are not all blocks solvable?
1708 2011-05-29 19:08:26 <pwrcycle> diki: like with luke's pool, the miners log in with their payout account number.
1709 2011-05-29 19:08:42 <pwrcycle> diki: if i wanted to jsut accept workers with no login, i just want to save their entry, not verify it.
1710 2011-05-29 19:08:57 <pwrcycle> diki: for the "engine" :   line.  what other options are there?
1711 2011-05-29 19:09:04 <diki> I believe luke has modified pushpool for his purpose
1712 2011-05-29 19:09:23 <lfm> espeer: yes, there is also a date stamp and in the coinbase txn there is an extranonce
1713 2011-05-29 19:09:37 <diki> pwrcycle: like i said, engine:mysql, engine:posgresql and engine:sqlite3
1714 2011-05-29 19:09:49 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
1715 2011-05-29 19:09:49 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.48,"low":8.102,"vol":9059,"buy":8.2801,"sell":8.3997,"last":8.3996}}
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1718 2011-05-29 19:10:45 <diki> You will need to write the C code so that users can login via their wallet addr
1719 2011-05-29 19:10:57 <diki> it's not by default in pushpool
1720 2011-05-29 19:11:02 <diki> afaik
1721 2011-05-29 19:11:14 <lfm> espeer: the date/time stamp can change every second and the extranonce is variable length (as long as you want) the extranonce in the coinbase txn effect the merkle tree hash
1722 2011-05-29 19:11:28 <Xenland> So whens a password going to be implemented into the bitcoin app
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1724 2011-05-29 19:11:47 <BlueMatt> jaromil: ping
1725 2011-05-29 19:11:52 <lfm> Xenland: I think there are some beta versions now
1726 2011-05-29 19:11:58 <pwrcycle> there, moved -dev to it's own window so i can follow better
1727 2011-05-29 19:12:05 <Xenland> cool, bitcoin really needs that
1728 2011-05-29 19:12:17 <lfm> xenland only for windows
1729 2011-05-29 19:12:31 <Xenland> oh piss
1730 2011-05-29 19:12:38 <pwrcycle> Xenland: what does memcached really do? what would happen if i left it out?
1731 2011-05-29 19:12:41 <lfm> Xenland: its not needed for linux
1732 2011-05-29 19:12:43 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1733 2011-05-29 19:12:45 <gribble> Current Blocks: 127528 | Current Difficulty: 434882.7217497 | Next Difficulty At Block: 129023 | Next Difficulty In: 1495 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 16 hours, 3 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 522086.99522925
1734 2011-05-29 19:13:10 <lfm> pwrcycle: speeds up things
1735 2011-05-29 19:13:13 <Xenland> pwrcycle: i don't know what will hapen if you don't run it
1736 2011-05-29 19:13:34 <Xenland> but i do now that pushpoold will use it to like lfm said speed things up which is why it eats up alot of ram
1737 2011-05-29 19:13:48 <espeer> lfm, how does the extranonce work?
1738 2011-05-29 19:14:48 <diki> xenland: how's the front-end going?
1739 2011-05-29 19:14:57 <lfm> espeer: a variable number of bytes you can set to anything you want. it makes the coinbase txn unique and thus makes the merkle tree hash (256 bits) unique which is part of the block header which is what you hash to mine
1740 2011-05-29 19:15:15 <Xenland> diki: i should have my working version up pretty soon
1741 2011-05-29 19:15:35 <Xenland> how about yours your pool?
1742 2011-05-29 19:15:38 <espeer> lfm, so the idea to to keep changing that until you stumble accross a block that is solvable?
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1744 2011-05-29 19:16:04 <diki> well, i am coding a bit, resting a bit, well taking things slowly i guess
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1747 2011-05-29 19:16:22 <lfm> espeer: well most people hardly need the extra nonce since they cant go thru all the regular nonces in one second
1748 2011-05-29 19:16:29 <diki> I was able to make the pool rate work
1749 2011-05-29 19:16:38 <diki> with caching
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1751 2011-05-29 19:16:44 <Raccoon> i have a question regarding the 'addresses' and the keys (public/private) pertaining to them.
1752 2011-05-29 19:17:12 <Raccoon> is it at all possible to use the existing key information from a bitcoin wallet to encode or sign messages between users, outside of the bitcoin network?
1753 2011-05-29 19:17:26 <Raccoon> such that it could be used as a sender verfication method
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1755 2011-05-29 19:17:52 <Xenland> Raccoon: +1 that would be helpfull for un automated systems
1756 2011-05-29 19:17:52 <diki> Xenland: but i am mostly worried about ipv6 users...
1757 2011-05-29 19:18:01 <Xenland> diki: why you say zis?
1758 2011-05-29 19:18:02 <Raccoon> eg, someone drops 1 BTC into a static receive address that is posted on a website, never changing
1759 2011-05-29 19:18:11 <espeer> lfm, is varying only the nonce sufficient (assuming you try all 4+ billion permutations) to guarantee solving a block?
1760 2011-05-29 19:18:19 <Raccoon> then that same someone sends an email of a signed message to that website, including their postal address info
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1762 2011-05-29 19:18:22 <lfm> Raccoon: it would be theoreticlly possible but you're better off using somethingdesigned for messaging like pgp/gpg
1763 2011-05-29 19:18:37 <rampone> hi all
1764 2011-05-29 19:19:13 <espeer> i would assume not
1765 2011-05-29 19:19:14 <Raccoon> lfm: it would be otherwise impossible to determine if a sender is truly the sender, or just someone claiming to be
1766 2011-05-29 19:19:24 <lfm> espeer: nope, you might not find a good one in all the nonces
1767 2011-05-29 19:19:27 <Raccoon> since all transactions are public record
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1769 2011-05-29 19:19:47 <hybriz_> i have this bitcoind running through Tor and it doesnt show the correct balance...it always show balance zero
1770 2011-05-29 19:19:54 <lfm> Raccoon: well there are other ways to do that
1771 2011-05-29 19:20:00 <Raccoon> lfm, ideas please?
1772 2011-05-29 19:20:03 <hybriz_> could it be it's still downloading blockchain and since Tor is slow it takes a while
1773 2011-05-29 19:20:07 <hybriz_> ?
1774 2011-05-29 19:20:36 <rampone> i have been searching for two hours now, but i cant find highly trusted static ip in a list to run in my bitcoind, is there something out there? thx in advance
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1776 2011-05-29 19:21:05 <lfm> Raccoon: well if you only give a certain bitcoin address to one person, then you receive the requested amount to that address, you can generally assume that the right person payed
1777 2011-05-29 19:21:34 <Raccoon> lfm, again, the conditions would imply a single static address
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1779 2011-05-29 19:21:52 <diki> Xenland: cause i have to carefully store their IP address in the database
1780 2011-05-29 19:21:52 <lfm> Raccoon: thats why you should not reuse addresses. make a new one for every transaction
1781 2011-05-29 19:22:06 <diki> and ip2long and long2ip dont work on ipv6 addr
1782 2011-05-29 19:22:08 <Raccoon> lfm: also, even if you give an address to someone secretly, as soon as they fulfill the transmission of bitcoins, everyone knows about it.
1783 2011-05-29 19:22:14 <lfm> Raccoon: a single staic address is just bad
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1785 2011-05-29 19:22:23 <Raccoon> BUT
1786 2011-05-29 19:22:24 <Raccoon> again
1787 2011-05-29 19:22:27 <Xenland> carefully?
1788 2011-05-29 19:22:28 <Raccoon> all addresses have a private key
1789 2011-05-29 19:22:34 <Raccoon> this should be useful in signing emails
1790 2011-05-29 19:22:36 <Xenland> does that mean manually?
1791 2011-05-29 19:22:58 <Raccoon> then you know that bitcoin was sent by the same person
1792 2011-05-29 19:23:19 <lfm> racooexactly why do you care who paid for them? If their mother pays for them do you not still send them the goods?
1793 2011-05-29 19:24:18 <Raccoon> lfm, to ensure someone doesn't claim ownership after the fact
1794 2011-05-29 19:24:50 <lfm> huh? are you reuing addresses still?
1795 2011-05-29 19:25:02 <Raccoon> even without reusing addresses
1796 2011-05-29 19:25:06 <Raccoon> say for instance
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1798 2011-05-29 19:26:31 <lfm> send the goods to the same person you sent the address to. let them figure it out, if they pass the address along, its their problem
1799 2011-05-29 19:27:34 <Raccoon> lfm:  bill gives charlie 1 BTC as a gift/payment, knowing that charlie needs to buy a samoflange.  bill keeps an eye on Bitcoin Block Explorer waiting for charlie to spend that 1 BTC.  Once charlie spends it, bill sends an email to samoflange-inc to claim his samoflange.
1800 2011-05-29 19:29:29 <Raccoon> again
1801 2011-05-29 19:29:34 <lfm> well if he started with 1 btc he could have just bought it himself instead of giving it to charlie and risking missing some slight chance of seeing the right txn
1802 2011-05-29 19:29:38 <Raccoon> we have a cryptographically secure method to secure identity
1803 2011-05-29 19:29:41 <Raccoon> how do we use it
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1805 2011-05-29 19:29:52 <devn> anyone wanna give me 1 BitCoin so I don't feel so alone? :D
1806 2011-05-29 19:29:57 <devn> <--broke ass
1807 2011-05-29 19:30:26 <Raccoon> lfm: in my above example, bill stole a samoflange that charlie paid for
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1811 2011-05-29 19:31:14 <lfm> Raccoon: we DONT have what you say, we have cryptographicly secure currency. to use if for something else would require significant software development that simply has not been done and is not likley to be done since no one needs it (your argument is full of holes, sorry).
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1813 2011-05-29 19:31:34 <Raccoon> ok.
1814 2011-05-29 19:31:56 <Raccoon> so you are saying there is no "private key" associated with bitcoin "public key" addresses
1815 2011-05-29 19:31:59 <devn> So, what happens to BitCoin when countries start banning it due to pressure form credit card companies, etc?
1816 2011-05-29 19:32:20 <edcba> banning how ?
1817 2011-05-29 19:32:23 <Raccoon> devn: what happens when marijuana or alcohol gets banned?
1818 2011-05-29 19:32:30 <lfm> Raccoon: techniclly yes is it a public key/private key for each address.
1819 2011-05-29 19:32:32 <Raccoon> which, they are in over 50% of countries
1820 2011-05-29 19:32:39 <devn> point taken
1821 2011-05-29 19:32:43 <diki> when alcohol get's banned, less car crashes
1822 2011-05-29 19:32:51 <Raccoon> untrue.  source required.
1823 2011-05-29 19:33:01 <edcba> where is it banned anyway ?
1824 2011-05-29 19:33:04 <lfm> wehn alcohol gets banned, criminals get rich
1825 2011-05-29 19:33:12 <Raccoon> in europe, the drinking age is 18 and the driving age is 21~22.
1826 2011-05-29 19:33:14 <diki> pic or it didnt happen
1827 2011-05-29 19:33:19 <diki> yup
1828 2011-05-29 19:33:19 <lfm> same as most drugs
1829 2011-05-29 19:33:21 <Raccoon> teenagers drink alcohol before they are allowed to drive
1830 2011-05-29 19:33:23 <diki> but nobody respects it here
1831 2011-05-29 19:33:29 <diki> people drink at age ~13-14
1832 2011-05-29 19:33:32 <Raccoon> in eruope, that's how you teach children responsiblity
1833 2011-05-29 19:33:34 <pierre`> Raccoon: it's a question of endurance
1834 2011-05-29 19:33:50 <Raccoon> give them a vice to learn to control before they get behind the wheel of a death machine
1835 2011-05-29 19:33:58 <devn> so are people "banking" (no pun intended") on bitcoin being scarce because large financial institutions will try to make it increasingly difficult to trade it?
1836 2011-05-29 19:34:01 <diki> you are allowed to get a driver's license three monts before you are 18
1837 2011-05-29 19:34:06 <diki> or take the test at least
1838 2011-05-29 19:34:10 <diki> then when you are 18 you get it
1839 2011-05-29 19:34:14 <Raccoon> diki: in european countries?
1840 2011-05-29 19:34:15 <Raccoon> no.
1841 2011-05-29 19:34:20 <diki> ya
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1843 2011-05-29 19:34:24 <diki> I am in Europe lol
1844 2011-05-29 19:34:32 <Raccoon> what country?
1845 2011-05-29 19:34:35 <diki> Bulgaria
1846 2011-05-29 19:34:51 <lianj> Raccoon: in germany you can drink beer at 16 and drive at 18
1847 2011-05-29 19:35:00 <Raccoon> people there have told me they can't drive until 20 or 21 or 22, and sometimes after spending $10,000 in driving classes.
1848 2011-05-29 19:35:14 <lianj> Raccoon: wrong
1849 2011-05-29 19:35:17 <lfm> it takes 3 months? we go on our birthday and if we pass the test we get the licence and can drive that day
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1851 2011-05-29 19:35:47 <diki> i said, you are allowed to start the "test" as early as three months before you are 18
1852 2011-05-29 19:35:51 <donny> I'm looking at the protocol specs on the wiki, and I can see there's a way to get trasnsactions once they're in a block, but is there a way to request a list of unconfirmed transactions that a node knows about?
1853 2011-05-29 19:36:02 <diki> BUT! I use the footmobile
1854 2011-05-29 19:36:06 <Raccoon> diki, in any event, it's a better system than in America.
1855 2011-05-29 19:36:08 <diki> never failed me to this day
1856 2011-05-29 19:36:13 <Raccoon> American children start driving at 15.
1857 2011-05-29 19:36:42 <Raccoon> with a provisionary license that requires an adult in the vehicle
1858 2011-05-29 19:36:48 <lfm> 16 here
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1860 2011-05-29 19:37:15 <edcba> bitcoin doesn't require that
1861 2011-05-29 19:37:37 <hybriz_> anyone knows a good mail service that doesnt require javascript ?
1862 2011-05-29 19:37:38 <hybriz_> fscking mailvault is giving error when i login 9 out of 10 times :(
1863 2011-05-29 19:37:42 <donny> right, they're broadcast once they're made...
1864 2011-05-29 19:38:03 <lfm> hybriz_: use popd and local mailer
1865 2011-05-29 19:38:05 <edcba> hybriz_: hushmail maybe
1866 2011-05-29 19:38:16 <edcba> popd ?
1867 2011-05-29 19:38:16 <lianj> hybriz_: google mail has a version without javascript too
1868 2011-05-29 19:38:25 <donny> edcba: but what if your node was offline and you want to bring it up and get caught up... you have to wait for the sender/receiver nodes to broadcast again? or until it's in a block?
1869 2011-05-29 19:38:27 <hybriz_> hushmail requires javascript
1870 2011-05-29 19:38:30 <hybriz_> google requires phone :P
1871 2011-05-29 19:38:45 <lianj> hybriz_: phone?
1872 2011-05-29 19:38:49 <edcba> donny: yes
1873 2011-05-29 19:39:06 <diki> been using gmail for a long time
1874 2011-05-29 19:39:07 <hybriz_> yeah, call verification or sms verification
1875 2011-05-29 19:39:11 <Raccoon> i can't wait until bitcoin blocks can be updated via torrent
1876 2011-05-29 19:39:20 <lianj> hybriz_: really?
1877 2011-05-29 19:39:27 <edcba> Raccoon: why ?
1878 2011-05-29 19:39:31 <lfm> pop == post office protocol allows you to download your email and read/reply etc on your own machine
1879 2011-05-29 19:39:32 <Raccoon> would be much faster
1880 2011-05-29 19:39:34 <diki> Yeah, i was going to ask
1881 2011-05-29 19:39:35 <hybriz_> yeah try and open a niw account :)
1882 2011-05-29 19:39:43 <diki> Can someone make an archive with all the blocks so far?
1883 2011-05-29 19:39:52 <edcba> lfm: popd = pop directory :)
1884 2011-05-29 19:39:53 <BlueMatt> diki: bitcoin.bluematt.me
1885 2011-05-29 19:40:01 <donny> edcba: ah that sucks... I'm doing some development and it would be convenient if I could just connect to a node and grab all the 0 confirmation transactions, without having to keep the node online all the time
1886 2011-05-29 19:40:04 <edcba> Raccoon: use http
1887 2011-05-29 19:40:12 <donny> edcba: thanks anyway
1888 2011-05-29 19:40:14 <Raccoon> edcba: centralized
1889 2011-05-29 19:40:21 <lfm> edcba: popd is the pop daemon program that serves pop email
1890 2011-05-29 19:40:21 <diki> lol
1891 2011-05-29 19:40:26 <diki> that's a lot of space, how much HDD?
1892 2011-05-29 19:40:40 <edcba> i never saw a pop daemon called popd
1893 2011-05-29 19:40:59 <lianj> hybriz_: going to test it later, but that would be pretty wtf
1894 2011-05-29 19:41:05 <lfm> prolly obsolete now
1895 2011-05-29 19:41:25 <hybriz_> there isnt one called popd
1896 2011-05-29 19:41:34 <lfm> edcba: or maybe I am misremembering
1897 2011-05-29 19:41:42 <hybriz_> of the old ones
1898 2011-05-29 19:41:44 <hybriz_> u had qpopper
1899 2011-05-29 19:41:47 <hybriz_> popa3d
1900 2011-05-29 19:42:14 <hybriz_> dont remember more :P
1901 2011-05-29 19:42:14 <lianj> today you prolly want ssl/imap
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1903 2011-05-29 19:44:18 <lfm> Popd is a POP3 mail server written by Ian Freislich, available for download here.
1904 2011-05-29 19:44:23 zamgo has joined
1905 2011-05-29 19:44:37 <hybriz_> lol what unix/linux OS was it distributed in ?
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1907 2011-05-29 19:45:02 <lfm> doent matter since its very old now
1908 2011-05-29 19:45:07 <hybriz_> i remember that old freebsd had a pop3 daemon that was called popd
1909 2011-05-29 19:45:09 <hybriz_> and run through inetd
1910 2011-05-29 19:45:46 <hybriz_> bitcoin 2 credit card is always at 0 :(
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1912 2011-05-29 19:46:17 <lfm> like lianj said, these days you prolly want imap or something instead
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1916 2011-05-29 19:54:58 <edcba> ok seems freebsd
1917 2011-05-29 19:55:05 <devn> is freebitcoins permanently down
1918 2011-05-29 19:55:08 <devn> i dont have any coins
1919 2011-05-29 19:55:13 <edcba> and uses ssl
1920 2011-05-29 19:55:25 <edcba> how much do you want ?
1921 2011-05-29 19:55:32 <devn> who, me?
1922 2011-05-29 19:55:35 <zamgo> coins can be bought
1923 2011-05-29 19:55:45 <zamgo> or you can trade stuff for coins
1924 2011-05-29 19:55:50 <zamgo> amazing how that works
1925 2011-05-29 19:55:59 <devn> zamgo: yeah but i have to go through the whole roundabout way of getting them through dwolla
1926 2011-05-29 19:56:06 <devn> so ill expect my first bitcoins sometimes next thursday
1927 2011-05-29 19:56:09 <zamgo> you don't have to use dwolla
1928 2011-05-29 19:56:09 <diki> yeah, there are "services" you can offer for bitcoins
1929 2011-05-29 19:56:14 <zamgo> it's just one of many exchanges
1930 2011-05-29 19:56:31 <diki> some public, some...private
1931 2011-05-29 19:56:37 <hybriz_> i wish there was a way i could get my bitcoins in EUR without much identification :P
1932 2011-05-29 19:56:42 <devn> ill prostitute myself to someone in here for 5 bitcoins
1933 2011-05-29 19:56:51 <edcba> hmmm
1934 2011-05-29 19:56:51 <hybriz_> devn: do you swallow?
1935 2011-05-29 19:56:55 <diki> lol
1936 2011-05-29 19:56:55 <hybriz_> devn: also, are you a girl ?
1937 2011-05-29 19:56:57 <edcba> where do you live ? :)
1938 2011-05-29 19:57:04 <hybriz_> i live in europe :)
1939 2011-05-29 19:57:07 <devn> holy shit -- that response is staggering, and scary
1940 2011-05-29 19:57:10 <devn> lol
1941 2011-05-29 19:57:13 <diki> hybriz_<- at that point it's only important if there is a hole
1942 2011-05-29 19:57:19 <edcba> lol
1943 2011-05-29 19:57:19 <hybriz_> devn: how much like a girl are u ? :D
1944 2011-05-29 19:57:22 <hybriz_> :p
1945 2011-05-29 19:57:24 <hybriz_> depends
1946 2011-05-29 19:57:24 <devn> bahaha
1947 2011-05-29 19:57:26 <hybriz_> if its in the ass
1948 2011-05-29 19:57:30 <hybriz_> the ass is not female or male
1949 2011-05-29 19:57:33 <BlueMatt> devn: you dont think the people on irc have any morals?
1950 2011-05-29 19:57:33 <hybriz_> there is only 2 types of ass
1951 2011-05-29 19:57:38 <hybriz_> ass with hairs
1952 2011-05-29 19:57:39 <zamgo> so does europe need a walk-in exchange?
1953 2011-05-29 19:57:42 <zamgo> hah
1954 2011-05-29 19:57:42 <hybriz_> and ass without hairs
1955 2011-05-29 19:57:43 <hybriz_> :p
1956 2011-05-29 19:57:46 <edcba> bitcoin - anonymous services
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1958 2011-05-29 19:58:02 <hybriz_> zamgo: yeah, i have 19 BTC i want to tell :/ i have a friend that has like 300
1959 2011-05-29 19:58:10 <edcba> lol
1960 2011-05-29 19:58:11 <hybriz_> but it's a pain to get it in real EUR
1961 2011-05-29 19:58:22 <edcba> just spend more eur
1962 2011-05-29 19:58:31 <zamgo> 1 btc would be about 1 gram of pot in amsterdam
1963 2011-05-29 19:58:35 <hybriz_> you have to register a neteller and nazi shit account or whatever
1964 2011-05-29 19:58:46 <hybriz_> zamgo: i wish :) i'd trade all my BTC for pot in seconds..
1965 2011-05-29 19:58:52 <zamgo> but that's talk for a different channel.. this is -dev
1966 2011-05-29 19:59:05 <hybriz_> edcba: i dont know how people say bitcoin is anonymous when the transactions are public :)
1967 2011-05-29 19:59:05 <diki> 1 btc would be about 1 gram of pot in amsterdam<- they literally grow outside near a kindergarten lol
1968 2011-05-29 19:59:06 <zamgo> just fly to amsterdam
1969 2011-05-29 19:59:23 <hybriz_> zamgo: u know a place in amdam that trades BTC for EUR ? :P
1970 2011-05-29 19:59:26 <diki> i've seen quite the dozen pot
1971 2011-05-29 19:59:32 ZOP has joined
1972 2011-05-29 19:59:35 <diki> or weed,marijuana
1973 2011-05-29 19:59:43 <zamgo> mtgox pays out to euro SEPA accounts
1974 2011-05-29 19:59:54 <hybriz_> zamgo: takes 9000+ weeks to do it
1975 2011-05-29 20:00:02 <zamgo> you tried it already?
1976 2011-05-29 20:00:06 <hybriz_> friend has
1977 2011-05-29 20:00:16 <hybriz_> took him forever
1978 2011-05-29 20:00:25 <zamgo> i just sent them a few euros to test it out..
1979 2011-05-29 20:00:32 <zamgo> but only been a few hours, and sunday
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1981 2011-05-29 20:00:36 <hybriz_> yeah
1982 2011-05-29 20:00:57 <hybriz_> im thinking of opening an exchange for europe
1983 2011-05-29 20:01:05 <zamgo> where are you hybriz?
1984 2011-05-29 20:01:15 <hybriz_> but im afraid people will come and sell me a bunch of BTC and then i cant do much with it :p
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1986 2011-05-29 20:01:29 <hybriz_> im spread between a few countries :p
1987 2011-05-29 20:01:40 <hybriz_> im usually around the UK or Spain most of the time
1988 2011-05-29 20:01:44 <edcba> hybriz_: you can sell them !
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1990 2011-05-29 20:02:12 <zamgo> well, both are SEPA zone, so no worry
1991 2011-05-29 20:02:16 <hybriz_> yeah, to whom ? lol
1992 2011-05-29 20:02:22 <edcba> wtf is SEPA ?
1993 2011-05-29 20:02:24 <hybriz_> imagine it, i make an exchange
1994 2011-05-29 20:02:31 <hybriz_> and i have more bitcoins comming in than out
1995 2011-05-29 20:02:37 <hybriz_> im bound to run out of EUR money :P
1996 2011-05-29 20:02:41 <edcba> some ppl want to sell some ppl want to buy...
1997 2011-05-29 20:02:44 <hybriz_> edcba: its a payment zone in europe
1998 2011-05-29 20:02:54 <hybriz_> edcba: also a payment system for european banks
1999 2011-05-29 20:03:09 <edcba> damn i don't know that and i do some ecommerce for living
2000 2011-05-29 20:03:19 <hybriz_> :b
2001 2011-05-29 20:03:22 <hybriz_> where in the world r u ?
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2003 2011-05-29 20:04:42 <edcba> fr
2004 2011-05-29 20:05:15 <edcba> isn't it obvious from my ip ?
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2006 2011-05-29 20:06:15 <hybriz_> i dont whois ppl, its pointless :p
2007 2011-05-29 20:06:21 <hybriz_> edcba: u want to buy my BTC ? :p
2008 2011-05-29 20:06:46 <edcba> depends on the price
2009 2011-05-29 20:06:51 <edcba> but i have already some
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2011 2011-05-29 20:08:38 <devn> 98406 blocks -- is there a magic number where I actually get a bitcoin?
2012 2011-05-29 20:08:46 <zamgo> ok, so I'm preparing to release my web interface as open source soon.   what should I do first....
2013 2011-05-29 20:08:49 <devn> Is it like 127,000 or something?
2014 2011-05-29 20:09:03 <zamgo> make a forum user, setup github user and repository, create license, make donation address ;)  etc
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2016 2011-05-29 20:09:08 <edcba> at 100000 i may give you 1 bitcoin
2017 2011-05-29 20:09:18 <BlueMatt> devn: ,,bc,blocks
2018 2011-05-29 20:09:19 <gribble> 127540
2019 2011-05-29 20:09:28 <devn> ah
2020 2011-05-29 20:09:29 <edcba> damn too late
2021 2011-05-29 20:09:39 <edcba> ok 200000 then :)
2022 2011-05-29 20:09:44 <hybriz_> edcba: i'll sell my 19 BTC for 100 EUR :)
2023 2011-05-29 20:09:48 <devn> awww, come on edcba! :)
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2025 2011-05-29 20:10:15 <edcba> hmm not a bad price
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2027 2011-05-29 20:10:29 <BlueMatt> ;;getrating hybriz_
2028 2011-05-29 20:10:29 <gribble> User hybriz_, with hostmask None, was created on Tue May 24 10:47:28 2011, and has a cumulative rating of 1, from a total of 1 ratings. Of these, 1 are positive and 0 are negative. This user has also sent 0 positive ratings, and 0 negative ratings to others.
2029 2011-05-29 20:10:47 <BlueMatt> Ill bite
2030 2011-05-29 20:10:52 <devn> im just looking to get 50 BTC, trying to decide if I should mine or if I should buy
2031 2011-05-29 20:11:01 <devn> doesnt a switch get flipped at 128,000
2032 2011-05-29 20:11:03 <edcba> do you have a gpu ?
2033 2011-05-29 20:11:07 <devn> where they're harder to generate?
2034 2011-05-29 20:11:23 <devn> i may have read that wrong.
2035 2011-05-29 20:11:38 <edcba> yes reward are halfed every 2 years
2036 2011-05-29 20:11:39 <devn> edcba: on my macbook pro, early 2011 yes, but it's not Radeon 5780 or whatever
2037 2011-05-29 20:11:43 <zamgo> ah, that reminds me .. add to list:   make new private/public key, register with #bitcoin-otc
2038 2011-05-29 20:11:48 <edcba> then buy :)
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2041 2011-05-29 20:12:34 <edcba> with cpu you can only hope getting like 1 btc / week with pooled mining
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2043 2011-05-29 20:12:37 <devn> edcba: yeah, just not sure if im going to pick up a radeon 57xx series card and put it in cheap desktop
2044 2011-05-29 20:12:40 <edcba> at current diff rate i mean
2045 2011-05-29 20:13:00 <devn> trying to decide if it's still worth the effort to mine
2046 2011-05-29 20:13:02 <zamgo> 1btc/week with cpu mining sounds high
2047 2011-05-29 20:13:03 <devn> since im sort of late to the game
2048 2011-05-29 20:13:11 <edcba> i said *hope*
2049 2011-05-29 20:13:24 <edcba> i'm always generous :)
2050 2011-05-29 20:13:33 <zamgo> downgrade the hope to 0.10
2051 2011-05-29 20:13:39 <zamgo> hehe
2052 2011-05-29 20:14:00 <edcba> no i've don 0.1 in 3 days with bitcoinplus
2053 2011-05-29 20:14:10 <zamgo> at what hash rate?
2054 2011-05-29 20:14:13 <edcba> and it's not very efficient cpu miner
2055 2011-05-29 20:14:26 <edcba> 1400 about iirc
2056 2011-05-29 20:15:00 <devn> I have an AMD Radeon HD 6750M
2057 2011-05-29 20:15:12 <devn> I'm not sure if the bitcoin app is actually using it, though
2058 2011-05-29 20:15:18 <edcba> nope
2059 2011-05-29 20:15:26 <edcba> is opencl running on it ?
2060 2011-05-29 20:15:40 <diki> mobile cards afaik dont support opencl
2061 2011-05-29 20:15:45 <devn> not sure, i guess i assumed so since it's a brand new machine
2062 2011-05-29 20:15:45 <diki> could be wrong
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2064 2011-05-29 20:16:24 <diki> ah seems they do
2065 2011-05-29 20:16:34 <edcba> then try some opencl miner
2066 2011-05-29 20:16:46 <diki> specs http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/amd-radeon-6000m/amd-radeon-6700m-6600m/Pages/amd-radeon-6700m-6600m.aspx#2
2067 2011-05-29 20:16:51 <edcba> but still maybe use pooled mining too :)
2068 2011-05-29 20:17:00 <diki> def a pool
2069 2011-05-29 20:17:02 <hybriz_> BlueMatt: i gotta search my reg key
2070 2011-05-29 20:17:05 <hybriz_> i bought mine from rabit
2071 2011-05-29 20:17:12 <hybriz_> havent even give him feedback rating :/
2072 2011-05-29 20:17:57 <diki> dont expect too much mhash/s tho
2073 2011-05-29 20:18:05 <diki> below 100 i am sure ofi t
2074 2011-05-29 20:19:10 <devn> edcba: any suggestions on a CL miner?
2075 2011-05-29 20:19:22 <diki> are you not done yet?
2076 2011-05-29 20:19:29 <diki> just grab poclbm guiminer and be done with it
2077 2011-05-29 20:20:22 <devn> diki: that would be great if i had a windows box
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2079 2011-05-29 20:20:42 <devn> ...erm nevermind...
2080 2011-05-29 20:20:54 <diki> poclbm is cross-platform afaik
2081 2011-05-29 20:20:59 <devn> diki: *nod*
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2088 2011-05-29 20:31:01 <mt50558> hi, the http://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ seems to be down, is there an alternative?
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2093 2011-05-29 20:33:46 <Akiron> io_error: you around?
2094 2011-05-29 20:37:19 <devn> python poclbm.py --user=user --pass=pass
2095 2011-05-29 20:37:24 <devn> What are the user and password for?
2096 2011-05-29 20:37:34 <dinox_> devn: the pool
2097 2011-05-29 20:37:45 <diki> i think it's self-explanatory
2098 2011-05-29 20:37:52 <dinox_> or RPC user/pass if you are solo mining
2099 2011-05-29 20:38:03 <diki> solo mining with a mobile card?
2100 2011-05-29 20:40:33 <devn> So I'm still pretty newb to this
2101 2011-05-29 20:41:03 <devn> RPC user/pass? I am mining solo. Should I be running the "official" bitcoin client on OSX, and then have poclbm connecting to it?
2102 2011-05-29 20:41:17 <devn> If so, it's not obvious to me how I would connect the two, or what the user/pass combination would be.
2103 2011-05-29 20:41:23 <devn> I've never set a user/pass.
2104 2011-05-29 20:41:25 <dinox_> diki :)
2105 2011-05-29 20:42:43 <dinox_> devn: Just connect your miner to swepool and make some btc, you will probably never find a block when solomining with a 6750M
2106 2011-05-29 20:42:44 <zamgo> lots of docs to read
2107 2011-05-29 20:43:00 <devn> ,,swepool
2108 2011-05-29 20:43:01 <gribble> Error: "swepool" is not a valid command.
2109 2011-05-29 20:43:09 <devn> what's swepool?
2110 2011-05-29 20:43:24 <edcba> i think he can find a block solo
2111 2011-05-29 20:43:30 <edcba> but he will need a lot of patience
2112 2011-05-29 20:43:31 <dinox_> swepool.net/how-to
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2114 2011-05-29 20:43:46 <dinox_> edcba: Difficulty increase will kill him
2115 2011-05-29 20:43:55 <devn> does the increase happen at 128?
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2117 2011-05-29 20:44:07 <devn> technically i could still get lucky on a block though, no?
2118 2011-05-29 20:44:14 <edcba> diff increase happens every 2 weeks
2119 2011-05-29 20:44:14 <dinox_> devn: Yes
2120 2011-05-29 20:45:06 <devn> meh, im just dinking around with this -- i can always scale up once i have a solo workin setup
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2122 2011-05-29 20:45:53 <diki> actually, less than 2 weeks
2123 2011-05-29 20:45:58 <diki> it's 1 week from now
2124 2011-05-29 20:47:48 <devn> 40042 khash/s
2125 2011-05-29 20:47:57 <devn> weeeee
2126 2011-05-29 20:48:04 <devn> (not nearly enough, but *shrug*)
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2128 2011-05-29 20:48:24 <dinox_> ;;bc,calc 40042
2129 2011-05-29 20:48:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 40042 Khps, given current difficulty of 434882.7217497 , is 1 year, 24 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes, and 38 seconds
2130 2011-05-29 20:48:35 * devn laughs at himself
2131 2011-05-29 20:48:36 <dinox_> Whooa
2132 2011-05-29 20:48:41 <zamgo> we need a new calc  for mining shares
2133 2011-05-29 20:48:53 <zamgo> so it does'nt scare people so much
2134 2011-05-29 20:48:53 <diki> 40 mhash/s
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2136 2011-05-29 20:49:02 <diki> i think you may need to reconsider mining
2137 2011-05-29 20:49:17 <devn> lol you have no idea what i plan to do
2138 2011-05-29 20:49:25 <diki> ?
2139 2011-05-29 20:49:35 <devn> for all you know i am buying 25 machines and a fuckton of GPUs
2140 2011-05-29 20:49:38 <devn> im just playing locally
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2142 2011-05-29 20:49:59 <diki> and where are the $ gonna come from for all those machines?
2143 2011-05-29 20:50:06 <devn> wouldn't you like to know
2144 2011-05-29 20:50:10 <diki> yes, i would
2145 2011-05-29 20:50:11 <devn> mind your own business
2146 2011-05-29 20:50:14 <devn> kthnx
2147 2011-05-29 20:50:33 <zamgo> ha
2148 2011-05-29 20:50:33 <edcba> 25 boxes is not a lot
2149 2011-05-29 20:50:39 <diki> this guy...
2150 2011-05-29 20:50:42 <dvheumen> I'm currently reading the protocol specs. Is it true that the timestamps in the address list are 32 bits? Because the other timestamp, in the version message, is 64 bits. Seems strange not to use 64 bits in the address list
2151 2011-05-29 20:50:44 <darbsllim> lol
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2153 2011-05-29 20:50:47 <devn> also, little insider secret: i have a job
2154 2011-05-29 20:50:56 <diki> he couldnt make a miner work for an hour and he talks to me like that?
2155 2011-05-29 20:51:05 <edcba> and if bitcoin becomes unprofitable he still can repurpose them as captcha/password cracking
2156 2011-05-29 20:51:10 <diki> Choose the words carefully devn
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2164 2011-05-29 20:54:35 <devn> diki: also fwiw it didn't take an hour. i got numpy, compiled pyopencl, found out it required a user/pass combo because i had no idea about pooling
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2167 2011-05-29 20:55:09 <devn> and then find out about swepool.net -- if that makes me somehow technically inferior to you, then uh... yeah... whatever
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2170 2011-05-29 20:56:06 <devn> im learning here, man. there's no reason for us to have a pissing contest.
2171 2011-05-29 20:56:24 <diki> I am angry cause i asked you a legitimate question, you answered with your piss
2172 2011-05-29 20:56:36 <devn> which question was that?
2173 2011-05-29 20:56:43 <diki>  <diki> and where are the $ gonna come from for all those machines?
2174 2011-05-29 20:57:15 <devn> that's a ridiculous question to ask someone you dont know.
2175 2011-05-29 20:57:20 <devn> so diki, what do you do for a living?
2176 2011-05-29 20:57:30 <diki> nothing, that's the great part
2177 2011-05-29 20:57:34 <zamgo> hehe
2178 2011-05-29 20:58:08 <devn> so what kind of answer do you expect to a question like that out of curiosity?
2179 2011-05-29 20:58:15 <devn> "im going to buy some lottery tickets"
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2181 2011-05-29 20:58:31 <devn> "im going to start breeding alpacas"
2182 2011-05-29 20:58:38 <devn> i mean really, what sort of response did you expect?
2183 2011-05-29 20:58:50 <diki> One that wasn't piss?
2184 2011-05-29 20:59:01 <diki> was this an appropriate answer? "mind your own business"
2185 2011-05-29 20:59:26 <gwillen> diki: yes, it was. mind your own damn business.
2186 2011-05-29 20:59:29 <gwillen> :-P
2187 2011-05-29 20:59:52 <gwillen> diki: I don't know what culture you're from, but in mine you don't go around asking people how they make money and demanding answers
2188 2011-05-29 21:00:31 <diki> i am pretty sure in america they go beyond that
2189 2011-05-29 21:03:11 <zamgo> yawn
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2194 2011-05-29 21:05:43 <compgenius999> guys
2195 2011-05-29 21:05:44 <compgenius999> This transaction is over the size limit.  You can still send it for a fee of 0.01, which goes to the nodes that process your transaction and helps to support the network.  Do you want to pay the fee?
2196 2011-05-29 21:05:51 <compgenius999> how is 0.01 over the size limit?
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2198 2011-05-29 21:07:13 <phantomcircuit> compgenius999, what? the size limit is based on the actual size of the transaction, so you must be sending small amounts to lots of addresses (or from lots of addresses)
2199 2011-05-29 21:07:32 <compgenius999> it's just 0.01 to one person's address
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2205 2011-05-29 21:09:18 <compgenius999> phantomcircuit, why is it making me pay the transaction fee for just 0.01?
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2208 2011-05-29 21:09:38 <phantomcircuit> im not sure one sec
2209 2011-05-29 21:09:50 <phantomcircuit> compgenius999, what version of the client are you running?
2210 2011-05-29 21:09:51 <compgenius999> i could send 0.01 without paying a transaction fee on .20.2, but on .21 i can't
2211 2011-05-29 21:10:02 <compgenius999> i'm on .21
2212 2011-05-29 21:10:03 <compgenius999> the latest on linux
2213 2011-05-29 21:10:15 <chrstphrhrt> anybody know if any of the exchanges or financial services dealing with bitcoin are also open source? seems like that should be a prerequisite for trust in the early days
2214 2011-05-29 21:10:33 <phantomcircuit> chrstphrhrt, britcoin is
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2220 2011-05-29 21:11:36 <compgenius999> phantomcircuit, so any idea whats going on?
2221 2011-05-29 21:11:45 <compgenius999> thought you only had to pay a transaction fee for UNDER 0.01
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2223 2011-05-29 21:12:57 <compgenius999> phantomcircuit?
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2225 2011-05-29 21:13:05 <phantomcircuit> one sec
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2230 2011-05-29 21:14:04 <chrstphrhrt> phantomcircuit: right, besides the core technology.. ideally there would be a universal exchange itself developed under an open source license too.. e.g. i'm looking into helping out on the bitcoin-cad project (being from canada), but find it demotivating to have all these fiat-specific projects.. seems like a pain when there could be a lot more collaboration at that level
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2232 2011-05-29 21:14:20 <Castor_> hey guys, i run a little gaming cafe, and i want to use the computers as my own personal "pool" at night after we close the shop.... should I used bitcoind for this?
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2234 2011-05-29 21:15:11 <phantomcircuit> compgenius999, ah i see, possibly the total size of transactions waiting to be included are > 27 KB
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2236 2011-05-29 21:15:48 <compgenius999> so do I have to wait til most of the transactions get processed before I can do it for free?
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2239 2011-05-29 21:18:12 <phantomcircuit> compgenius999, it's either that or some stupid rounding error
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2247 2011-05-29 21:22:43 <diki> damn, the exec function doesnt work...
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2256 2011-05-29 21:25:19 <iera> Castor_: no, look in the wiki under mining
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2258 2011-05-29 21:27:11 <kika_> so seems like difficulty is decreasing, right?
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2262 2011-05-29 21:29:42 <phantomcircuit> kika_, that's unlikely
2263 2011-05-29 21:29:53 <mtrlt> kika_: not really
2264 2011-05-29 21:30:04 <kika_> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ those graphs show that the difficulty recently decrased a lot and now is increasing a bit
2265 2011-05-29 21:30:46 <mtrlt> ;;bc,diffchange
2266 2011-05-29 21:30:47 <gribble> 21.4667936301 % estimated difficulty change this period
2267 2011-05-29 21:30:54 <mtrlt> still +21% :P
2268 2011-05-29 21:31:09 <mtrlt> but i'd say the derivative of difficulty is definitely decreasing
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2272 2011-05-29 21:38:13 <kika_> mtrlt: that means difficulty is going to increase 21% next time?
2273 2011-05-29 21:40:21 <mtrlt> kika_: it is an estimate. if the diff change happened right now, it would
2274 2011-05-29 21:40:33 <kika_> i see
2275 2011-05-29 21:40:47 <kika_> so difficulty increases every 2016 blocks
2276 2011-05-29 21:40:50 <mtrlt> yep
2277 2011-05-29 21:40:58 <mtrlt> actually no
2278 2011-05-29 21:40:59 <kika_> according to bitcoincharts.com Estimated	527896 in 1473 blks
2279 2011-05-29 21:41:03 <mtrlt> it increases/decreases or stays the same
2280 2011-05-29 21:41:23 <mtrlt> yea, that's a reasonable estimate
2281 2011-05-29 21:41:25 <kika_> according to bitcoincharts.com the difficulty is going to go up to 527896 in 1473 blks
2282 2011-05-29 21:42:07 <kika_> right now difficulty is 434883
2283 2011-05-29 21:42:21 <kika_> so thats probably in 7 days the difficulty is going to increase 21%
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2285 2011-05-29 21:42:43 <mtrlt> yes if the network hashrate stays constant till the
2286 2011-05-29 21:42:44 <mtrlt> n
2287 2011-05-29 21:42:49 <mtrlt> but it won't
2288 2011-05-29 21:43:33 <kika_> mtrlt: the network hashrate will increase probably, so it might go up by 50% the difficulty
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2290 2011-05-29 21:44:10 <mtrlt> of course
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2292 2011-05-29 21:44:30 <mtrlt> but predicting the future is still quite difficult
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2294 2011-05-29 21:44:46 <kika_> mtrlt: that means that instead of generate 1.5 btc by mining with my 6990 card ill generate 0.7
2295 2011-05-29 21:44:50 <kika_> per day
2296 2011-05-29 21:45:00 <mtrlt> what means
2297 2011-05-29 21:45:11 <kika_> i hope the btc usd price will go up so i can almost pay for the card
2298 2011-05-29 21:45:13 <kika_> lol
2299 2011-05-29 21:45:14 <mtrlt> diff would have to go up 114% for that to happen
2300 2011-05-29 21:45:37 <mtrlt> and i don't think that's gonna happen :P
2301 2011-05-29 21:45:57 <phantomcircuit> what
2302 2011-05-29 21:46:14 <mtrlt> for daily reward to go from 1.5 to 0.7.
2303 2011-05-29 21:46:21 <phantomcircuit> oh
2304 2011-05-29 21:46:22 <kika_> i month ago i was doing 5 btc per day and now i do only 1.5
2305 2011-05-29 21:46:28 <kika_> *1 month
2306 2011-05-29 21:46:28 <mtrlt> yep
2307 2011-05-29 21:46:34 <mtrlt> i was doing 20btc/day, no more :/
2308 2011-05-29 21:46:44 <phantomcircuit> kika_, like any free market the profit is disappearing
2309 2011-05-29 21:46:49 <mtrlt> yep
2310 2011-05-29 21:46:56 <phantomcircuit> it's a good sign
2311 2011-05-29 21:47:02 <kika_> why?
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2313 2011-05-29 21:47:31 <kika_> i dont know why its a good sign
2314 2011-05-29 21:47:42 <phantomcircuit> it means the market is working as intended
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2316 2011-05-29 21:48:05 <mtrlt> if the diff didn't go up, it'd mean something is wrong when there's no-one coming to reap the profits.
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2319 2011-05-29 21:49:24 <kika_> so you guys think the btc price will go up regarding the usd dollar
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2321 2011-05-29 21:50:10 <mtrlt> longterm, yes
2322 2011-05-29 21:50:27 <Nicksasa> price drives difficulty, not the other way
2323 2011-05-29 21:50:35 <mtrlt> yep
2324 2011-05-29 21:50:55 <kika_> mtrlt: what do you mean by long term?
2325 2011-05-29 21:51:02 <kika_> why do you say price driver difficulty
2326 2011-05-29 21:51:04 <ar4s> are there any wiki.bitcoin admins around?
2327 2011-05-29 21:51:19 <diki> damn...how does this exec work...
2328 2011-05-29 21:51:21 <mtrlt> kika_: i mean, in a year at least
2329 2011-05-29 21:51:36 <kika_> mtrlt: how much do you think the bitcoins will be worth in a year
2330 2011-05-29 21:51:51 <mtrlt> dunno
2331 2011-05-29 21:52:21 <mtrlt> more than they are worth now
2332 2011-05-29 21:52:53 <stuhood> kika_: it's pretty offtopic for this room, but this post highlights the relationship between price and difficulty: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=7427.msg142996#msg142996
2333 2011-05-29 21:53:07 <kika_> ok
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2341 2011-05-29 22:01:37 <sipa> BlueMatt: seen http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10444.0 ?
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2347 2011-05-29 22:05:13 <diki> Bluematt: I'm trying to execute bitcoind listtransactions through php but nothing get's printed
2348 2011-05-29 22:05:22 <diki> does it requrie sudo or something?
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2353 2011-05-29 22:08:07 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, but I have never spent too much time trying to investigate it
2354 2011-05-29 22:08:39 <BlueMatt> cpu/mem usage in bitcoin is a problem to say the least
2355 2011-05-29 22:09:04 <sipa> especially when it's hard to reproduce
2356 2011-05-29 22:09:12 <BlueMatt> yep
2357 2011-05-29 22:09:36 <BlueMatt> my guess: something related to bad peers or generally doing something poorly when uploading to peers
2358 2011-05-29 22:09:57 <BlueMatt> but that is just the first thing that comes to my head...so its probably very, very far from the truth
2359 2011-05-29 22:10:41 <JFK911> why is deepbit broken
2360 2011-05-29 22:10:43 <BlueMatt> db handling needs to be benchmarked...we dont use txes in bdb which could speed a lot of stuff up a ton...
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2364 2011-05-29 22:13:25 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: ping
2365 2011-05-29 22:13:29 <kika_> weird deebit is down
2366 2011-05-29 22:14:27 <sipa> BlueMatt: if people report a continuous cpu usage, it's not bdb-related
2367 2011-05-29 22:14:44 <sipa> it sounds more like one of the cleanup threads or so went wild
2368 2011-05-29 22:15:18 <BlueMatt> no, I dont think that is bdb-related, I was just pointing out another problem that should be investigated
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2370 2011-05-29 22:15:38 <sipa> ok, yes, sure
2371 2011-05-29 22:16:26 <BlueMatt> personally, I think we need to go from 0.4.0 to 0.4.5 and include only code-fixes, cleanup, and all that crap
2372 2011-05-29 22:16:33 <BlueMatt> but I know that will never happen
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2376 2011-05-29 22:20:38 <sipa> BlueMatt: and what would you include when going from 0.3.22 to 0.4.0?
2377 2011-05-29 22:20:59 <BlueMatt> what we are currently including, all kinds of new features and whatnot + walletclass
2378 2011-05-29 22:21:05 <diki> damn...how can i make a front-end if bitcoind listtransactions does NOT work in php
2379 2011-05-29 22:21:08 <BlueMatt> I was saying after this round
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2382 2011-05-29 22:22:50 <BlueMatt> jaromil: ping
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2387 2011-05-29 22:28:02 <jaromil> BlueMatt: pong, here just for short
2388 2011-05-29 22:28:59 <jaromil> re: benchmark of db handling, consider i have put profiling in autotools
2389 2011-05-29 22:29:23 <jaromil> also gcov for coverage support, producing this kind of output http://bitcoin.dyne.org/coverage/
2390 2011-05-29 22:29:46 <BlueMatt> jaromil: just wanted to apologize for what I said ealier about autotools, it just looked like wx hadn't even been tested, but it actually is a simple fix so what I said was unfounded...anway, I got mingw compilation to work 100% and fixed a couple things with linux compilation, for whenever you get the chance: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/1852b89adbaae4d3f6aea1011a7b06217c832556
2391 2011-05-29 22:29:46 <jaromil> that coverage in the link is for a normal run, running it in different situations gives an overview
2392 2011-05-29 22:30:08 <jaromil> BlueMatt: nice :) good news to go to sleep with
2393 2011-05-29 22:30:09 <BlueMatt> also, profiling is really cool, thanks for doing that...
2394 2011-05-29 22:30:32 <jaromil> looking forward for the autotools merge
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2396 2011-05-29 22:31:19 <jaromil> tomorrow i'll rebase with your commit, now i'll sleep a bit, just had a funny dinner
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2398 2011-05-29 22:31:23 <BlueMatt> should be soon...keep your eyes open
2399 2011-05-29 22:31:37 <BlueMatt> sounds good, see you tomorrow
2400 2011-05-29 22:31:40 <jaromil> bbl, gnite!
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2410 2011-05-29 22:49:41 <kika_> deepbit is down
2411 2011-05-29 22:49:58 <bittrader> indeed
2412 2011-05-29 22:50:05 <[Tycho]> Yes.
2413 2011-05-29 22:50:07 <kika_> who is the owner? Tycho ?
2414 2011-05-29 22:50:27 <BlueMatt> yep
2415 2011-05-29 22:50:35 <kika_> will deepbit get back again?
2416 2011-05-29 22:50:38 <[Tycho]> Yes.
2417 2011-05-29 22:50:49 <kika_> [Tycho]: when?
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2419 2011-05-29 22:51:13 <BlueMatt> maybe when hes done fixing it?
2420 2011-05-29 22:51:19 <kika_> i see
2421 2011-05-29 22:51:20 <kika_> ok
2422 2011-05-29 22:51:36 <mt50558> http://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ seems down, any alternative? I'm eager to try this bitcoin stuff out
2423 2011-05-29 22:51:58 <kika_> [Tycho]: if you ever need a web developer or system administrator, im here
2424 2011-05-29 22:53:01 <edcba> what if he wants a good one ?
2425 2011-05-29 22:53:02 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
2426 2011-05-29 22:53:03 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.49,"low":8.102,"vol":7631,"buy":8.3111,"sell":8.4,"last":8.32}}
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2428 2011-05-29 22:53:41 <[Tycho]> We have a DDoS attack against deepbit servers. Now i'm "fixing" it by installing appropriate countermeasures.
2429 2011-05-29 22:53:52 <bittrader> mt50558, i'm sure someone in #bitcoin-otc would be glad to sell you some BTC
2430 2011-05-29 22:53:56 <gwillen> mt50558: what's your address? I'll send you a freebie.
2431 2011-05-29 22:54:04 <BlueMatt> ah, damn kids and their ddoses
2432 2011-05-29 22:54:16 <jine> BlueMatt: In-fucking-deed.
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2434 2011-05-29 22:54:40 <JRWR> [Tycho] prolly someone thinking bitcoin is in danger because of deepbit
2435 2011-05-29 22:54:41 <jine> BlueMatt: Bitcoins.lc have been ddos:ed 4 times in the last 36h day.
2436 2011-05-29 22:54:47 <mt50558> address is 1Du7m9ufVYGvzvVKsvCZzmjU1FA3218XPK i think, gwillen that would be really cool of you!
2437 2011-05-29 22:54:58 <[Tycho]> JRWR, yes. I hope now we will be protected from them.
2438 2011-05-29 22:55:17 <gwillen> mt50558: I sent you 0.01
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2440 2011-05-29 22:55:29 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: did you get a ransom notice, or was it just someone who wanted to see what would happen if deepbit went down?
2441 2011-05-29 22:55:38 <JRWR> [Tycho] if you still have issues with them, look into cloudflare, and move your RPC to another domaind, and port 80 it
2442 2011-05-29 22:55:47 <jine> Anyone knows who is behind bitcoinwatch.com? does he idle around here somewhere?
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2444 2011-05-29 22:56:06 <mt50558> gwillen: wow, that came through quick! thankyou
2445 2011-05-29 22:56:20 <gwillen> mt50558: no problem! :-)
2446 2011-05-29 22:56:43 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt, no any notices, i think.
2447 2011-05-29 22:57:18 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: well thats good, I guess.  At least you know they aren't professional ddosers
2448 2011-05-29 22:57:25 <upb> hmm ddosing a competitive pool might be good for business right ?
2449 2011-05-29 22:57:43 * JRWR waits for 4chan to ddos deepbit
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2459 2011-05-29 23:04:16 <JFK911> i bet eligius is ddosing deepbit
2460 2011-05-29 23:04:26 <gmaxwell> ...
2461 2011-05-29 23:04:35 <gmaxwell> JFK911: don't make crazy accusations.
2462 2011-05-29 23:05:05 <JFK911> im not accusing!
2463 2011-05-29 23:05:16 <gmaxwell> Everyone knows that its the ghost of Satoshi ddosing deepbit.
2464 2011-05-29 23:05:33 <JFK911> The CIA told me to tell people that, too
2465 2011-05-29 23:05:46 <JFK911> hello comrade :D
2466 2011-05-29 23:05:49 <gmaxwell> hah
2467 2011-05-29 23:05:51 <JRWR> na
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2469 2011-05-29 23:06:16 <JRWR> its Bit Kamui, you have pissed off a god, he wants his donation
2470 2011-05-29 23:06:18 <gmaxwell> but really don't chalk up to malice that which can be explained by everyone being fking clueless.
2471 2011-05-29 23:09:57 <phantomcircuit> lol
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2474 2011-05-29 23:11:34 <rampone> PUSHPOOLD question: We got everything set up, ppd is running. does bitcoind have to hae all blocks, so that a minerclient will start working?
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2478 2011-05-29 23:19:17 <sipa> rampone: of course
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2483 2011-05-29 23:22:02 <rampone> thank you sipa
2484 2011-05-29 23:22:54 <rampone> we thought it would start with the actual block and reverse validagte down to the genesis block, so it could start immediately, but hey, it does not take THAT long
2485 2011-05-29 23:23:23 <sipa> no, it downloads from low to high
2486 2011-05-29 23:23:31 <sipa> headers-only mode will fix that in the future
2487 2011-05-29 23:25:16 <rampone> okay, not so deeply involved in the material, but just digging and digging is such fun ;) i screw myself for being stoned and not really realizing bitcoin in July 2010, my thought pattern was: mmmh no coins over night.... well might as well search for aliens..... fail
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2490 2011-05-29 23:31:20 <JFK911> rampone: you're wasting marijuana.  you should have gotten stoned and wrote a gpu miner instead.
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2492 2011-05-29 23:33:06 <rampone> or own chip design, sha 256 dummy, would be ready by now ;)
2493 2011-05-29 23:33:56 <rampone> but i think mining will be soon over, my stomafche tells me, something "big" will happen, not bad for the econ, but u know the rates too right now ;)
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2497 2011-05-29 23:44:51 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit
2498 2011-05-29 23:44:59 <Diablo-D3> did deepbit go apeshit?
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2500 2011-05-29 23:48:21 <Backburn> yep
2501 2011-05-29 23:48:36 <bittrader> ddos attacks
2502 2011-05-29 23:48:41 <Backburn> i know a certain pool with multiple pushpools now ;)
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2504 2011-05-29 23:49:10 <Backburn> 3 in fact, 2 in us 1 in europe
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2507 2011-05-29 23:52:10 <x5x> http://mtgoxlive.bco.in/orders
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