1 2011-05-31 00:01:07 <zofo> dmh: have a look at : http://www.scribd.com/doc/18528530/Secret-Bankers-Manual before you think you understand 'futures' or 'instrument'
2 2011-05-31 00:01:10 <dmh> exchanges closed today for holiday ;)
3 2011-05-31 00:01:22 <dmh> lol
4 2011-05-31 00:01:25 <dmh> what is this garbage man
5 2011-05-31 00:01:29 Sedra is now known as Sedra-afk
6 2011-05-31 00:01:55 <dmh> this has nothing to do with trading futures?
7 2011-05-31 00:02:01 Sedra-afk is now known as Sedra
8 2011-05-31 00:02:41 <zofo> dmh: and you have been conditioned to believe that... Correction... go back to stock trading, it will be better on your constitution.
9 2011-05-31 00:02:43 <dmh> if you're worried about magical banks stay away from unregulated forex or something
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11 2011-05-31 00:03:13 <dmh> lol
12 2011-05-31 00:03:23 <dmh> i have never traded stocks
13 2011-05-31 00:03:30 <Grady2000> hey all, does anyone know if i can spend my balance when i see an unconfirmed credit transaction?
14 2011-05-31 00:03:32 <dmh> never will
15 2011-05-31 00:03:56 <dmh> Grady2000: cant you spend it once it goes ungrey at like 2 confirmations or whatever?
16 2011-05-31 00:04:20 <Grady2000> didn't try
17 2011-05-31 00:04:36 <Grady2000> just trying to figure out what balance means and unconfirmed means
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20 2011-05-31 00:05:03 <lfm> Grady2000: you should be able to ya. just if it gets has a prblem then your dependant transaction will also have a problem
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24 2011-05-31 00:06:25 <sanity> sorry if this is OT - but does anyone know where I can download MtGox ticker data, ideally at a per-minute resolution or better, and ideally for several weeks or more
25 2011-05-31 00:06:34 <cornfeed> what happens if bitcoin is banned by a country, has there been any discussion on this issue?
26 2011-05-31 00:06:49 <EvanR> zofo: is that the whole book or a preview
27 2011-05-31 00:06:50 <mtrlt> then the internet works around the ban
28 2011-05-31 00:06:55 <cornfeed> i.e. japan shuts down mtgox
29 2011-05-31 00:07:03 <gra> hi, i try to run diablo-miner on my macbook  "./DiabloMiner-OSX.sh --url https://mining.bitcoin.cz/accounts/profile/json/14886-568e56472ed4b313acf65c4cbxxxxx" and get "Can't connect to Bitcoin: sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: PKIX path building failed: sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: unable to find valid certification path to requested target"
30 2011-05-31 00:07:39 <sanity> cornfeed: then something else will take its place, possibly as a Tor hidden service so it can't be shut down
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32 2011-05-31 00:08:26 <cornfeed> and this is because mtgox only transfers to other services like liberty and dwolla?
33 2011-05-31 00:08:49 <zofo> cornfeed: bitcoin will just draw new lines for that county!
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35 2011-05-31 00:09:04 <cornfeed> ok thanks
36 2011-05-31 00:09:19 <zofo> bitcoin is for men/women.... countries are for corporate fictions...
37 2011-05-31 00:09:30 <dmh> something like that hehe
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39 2011-05-31 00:09:55 <lfm> bitcoin is handy for robots and AIs too
40 2011-05-31 00:10:06 <cornfeed> i understand that bitcoin is resiliant, but i am specifically refrencing the exchange houses as the vector for limitation
41 2011-05-31 00:10:26 <phantomcircuit> cornfeed, there has been extensive discussion on the issue of being banned, frankly i dont think it's nearly as likely as some people think it is
42 2011-05-31 00:10:35 <cornfeed> ok
43 2011-05-31 00:10:45 <anarchyx> it cant be banned
44 2011-05-31 00:10:50 <lfm> cornfeed: yes, the exchange portals are somewhat more vulnerable to national restrictions than is bitcoin as a whole
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48 2011-05-31 00:12:10 <cornfeed> lfm: thank you for acknowledgement
49 2011-05-31 00:12:23 <cornfeed> what makes them only "somewhat"
50 2011-05-31 00:12:57 <lfm> they can still mov to another country sometimes
51 2011-05-31 00:13:05 <cornfeed> btw, i realize this is not about development necc., but it is hard to get a serious response to this question in #bitcoin, so thank you
52 2011-05-31 00:13:36 <lfm> like mtgox did not start in japan
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54 2011-05-31 00:14:23 <ar4s> anarchyx: why do you say it can't be banned? Do you mean it can't be stopped? I'm pretty sure anything can be banned, no?
55 2011-05-31 00:15:03 <lfm> ar4s: generally speaking national laws apply only to one country at a time
56 2011-05-31 00:15:50 <ar4s> lfm: understood, ararchyx is just referring to a completely, world-wide ban then?
57 2011-05-31 00:16:43 <cornfeed> lfm: thats what i mean, after jumping countries is out and everything has to be delivered through hidden means, how does the exchange house "cashout"? does it require a liberty reserve type service to accept transactions from this hidden service?
58 2011-05-31 00:16:50 <lfm> well when people say what if bitcoin is banned, it is like they are asking how could it continue to exist if it is illegal (in my country). its just a narrow point of view.
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60 2011-05-31 00:17:53 <cornfeed> it is, i am trying to add that in because that seems to be everyone's answer, hop countries
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62 2011-05-31 00:18:41 <cornfeed> and while it is narrow, there is some truth to the difficulty it might add to doing commerce
63 2011-05-31 00:19:17 <lfm> cornfeed: there is also the possibility of retailers accepting bitcoin and bitcoin becoming an independant currency. where you can exist without other nation currencies. Im not sure how realistic that is tho
64 2011-05-31 00:19:39 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, do you keep permanent records of mtgox transactions?
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66 2011-05-31 00:20:08 <cornfeed> it is very possible that it remains in that limbo area, but i dont see that happening. not when there is so much money at stake
67 2011-05-31 00:20:19 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, if so could you create a torrent with all the info in it, or are you savign that to sell to day traders :P
68 2011-05-31 00:20:41 <phantomcircuit> cornfeed, i dont think it'll be in limbo, and i do think it'll be affirmatively found legal
69 2011-05-31 00:20:47 <phantomcircuit> even in the us
70 2011-05-31 00:22:09 <cornfeed> since btc is built around worse case and trust no one, can we please entertain the thought for a moment
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72 2011-05-31 00:22:47 <phantomcircuit> cornfeed, sure you would end up with black markets for btc and the price would likely increase
73 2011-05-31 00:23:20 <lfm> well if they take all our computers away then we cant do bitcoin. Not really worth thinking about somethings tho
74 2011-05-31 00:23:37 <cornfeed> phantomcircuit: also came to that conclusion, where i am lost is, in that scenario, how does one get tangible cash, through a physical vendor?
75 2011-05-31 00:23:50 <pwrcycle> fixed http://pool.cloakvpn.com accepting new miners now if anyone wants to try
76 2011-05-31 00:23:51 <phantomcircuit> cornfeed, yes
77 2011-05-31 00:24:07 <cornfeed> lfm: well it is even mentioned in https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses
78 2011-05-31 00:24:10 <anarchyx> im saying it cant be stopped, yes
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81 2011-05-31 00:24:49 <anarchyx> if many people adapt it, it will also be very hard to ban it
82 2011-05-31 00:24:57 <anarchyx> so we should have as many users as possible
83 2011-05-31 00:25:06 <anarchyx> adopt*
84 2011-05-31 00:25:08 <lfm> cornfeed ya, short of becoming very political and lobbying and such, not much can be done about it
85 2011-05-31 00:25:22 <cornfeed> anarchyx: i know, thats why i keep telling everyone to provide real services...commercial interest will sway possible bans
86 2011-05-31 00:25:34 <thermal> cornfeed: agreed
87 2011-05-31 00:25:47 <anarchyx> and a ban would not be people initiated, it would really be top-down enforced.. why would people want to ban an anonymous currency? they love cash for various reasons
88 2011-05-31 00:26:10 <anarchyx> the government doesnt force us to pay everything with a card
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90 2011-05-31 00:26:33 <cornfeed> the only reason i could see a ban, if we are talk practically, is if the currency gains more support than the native currency
91 2011-05-31 00:26:48 <anarchyx> then its too late to ban it
92 2011-05-31 00:26:52 <lfm> max unspent value: 280000.00 at block: 127087 2011-05-27 04:15:19
93 2011-05-31 00:26:53 <cornfeed> hahaha
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95 2011-05-31 00:27:06 <anarchyx> but yeah i agree that we need to get adoptation
96 2011-05-31 00:27:13 <anarchyx> its still too hard to get bitcoins
97 2011-05-31 00:27:29 <anarchyx> what i proposed is that every shop not only accepts bitcoins, but also becomes a bitcoin exchange
98 2011-05-31 00:27:40 <cornfeed> ok, last question, if an exchange house is offered behind hidden services, how would they provide exchanges? liberty reserve?
99 2011-05-31 00:27:51 <lfm> anarchyx: what ? a law?
100 2011-05-31 00:28:17 <phantomcircuit> cornfeed, you mean behind a tor hidden service?
101 2011-05-31 00:28:17 <anarchyx> a coffee shop could be selling bitcoins in return for cash and vica versa
102 2011-05-31 00:28:18 <cornfeed> staus quo
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104 2011-05-31 00:28:28 <thermal> pwrcycle: what software are you using?
105 2011-05-31 00:28:29 <anarchyx> on top of selling the actual coffee for btc
106 2011-05-31 00:28:36 <thermal> also, i'm getting and rpc error
107 2011-05-31 00:28:38 <cornfeed> tor or i2p or freenet..w\e
108 2011-05-31 00:29:02 <lfm> anarchyx: well most coffee shops would rather not be exposed to money laundering problems and such
109 2011-05-31 00:29:03 <phantomcircuit> cornfeed, they could sell prepaid credit card # and security code
110 2011-05-31 00:29:04 <cornfeed> omg coffee, that is a great idea
111 2011-05-31 00:29:10 <phantomcircuit> cornfeed, shazam anonymitiy
112 2011-05-31 00:29:43 <cornfeed> thought about that, if there was a massive sting they could narrow down the cc# to where the location of purchase was
113 2011-05-31 00:29:49 <cornfeed> oh you mean buy them online
114 2011-05-31 00:29:51 <cornfeed> hmm
115 2011-05-31 00:29:59 <anarchyx> lfm: all supermarkets in my country will give you cash and play 'atm'
116 2011-05-31 00:30:08 <cornfeed> that would be a complex system if it was to work on a large scale....
117 2011-05-31 00:30:13 <lfm> ya sure buy coffee online, just download the beans
118 2011-05-31 00:30:39 <cornfeed> lfm: coffee is one of the higher selling items on amazon....fyi
119 2011-05-31 00:30:45 <anarchyx> lfm: on top of that they also sell prepaid cards of all types
120 2011-05-31 00:30:50 <anarchyx> lfm: why not bitcoin cards?
121 2011-05-31 00:30:52 <phantomcircuit> cornfeed, the person selling them would need to purchase them in cash at random locations, or have people do so around the country
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123 2011-05-31 00:31:11 <lfm> cornfeed: how does the couriers keep it hot?
124 2011-05-31 00:31:16 <cornfeed> phantomcircuit: hahaha a drug market of sorts
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126 2011-05-31 00:31:27 <cornfeed> lfm: :p
127 2011-05-31 00:31:33 <phantomcircuit> cornfeed, yeah except for prepaids
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129 2011-05-31 00:33:10 <cornfeed> ok thank you very much for the serious answers everyone
130 2011-05-31 00:35:43 <pwrcycle> thermal: pushpool
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133 2011-05-31 00:39:12 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: sent gavin email
134 2011-05-31 00:39:41 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: I saw the "new email" about 1 sec before you posted that :) thanks
135 2011-05-31 00:40:25 <JRWR> ;;seen mib_
136 2011-05-31 00:40:25 <gribble> I have not seen mib_.
137 2011-05-31 00:40:30 <JRWR> :(
138 2011-05-31 00:41:03 <BlueMatt> JRWR: mrb_
139 2011-05-31 00:41:57 <ne0futur> if anyone here use dreamhost hosting, theres a suggestion about bitcoin payment , already have 5 votes , pleae vote for it if you can / you have a dreamhost account, vote on https://panel.dreamhost.com/index.cgi?tree=home.sugg¤t_step=Index&next_step=DoVote&sid=5477&security_key=face59ef97d27157070c7b444c342ba1&category=Billing%20-%20Make%20Payment&search=bitcoin&voted=1
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142 2011-05-31 00:43:05 <ZOP> BlueMatt: that halting issue is definitely on windows only for me...and I'm thinking it has somethign to do with my berkely db env....starting to home in around on it.
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145 2011-05-31 00:43:42 <BlueMatt> ZOP: nice, tell me if anything new comes up, though maybe ;;later tell BlueMatt foo as I might be off soon
146 2011-05-31 00:43:43 <ZOP> I'm kind of wondering if some of the other cygwin software I've got has dropped in a buggy bdb that bitcoin/bitcoind is now using or something along those lines.
147 2011-05-31 00:43:52 <ZOP> K/O
148 2011-05-31 00:44:01 <BlueMatt> no, bitcoin static links bdb
149 2011-05-31 00:44:24 <BlueMatt> it cant be loading any kind of buggy bdb...though maybe bdb is loading a buggy lib from somewhere...but I doubt that
150 2011-05-31 00:44:34 <ZOP> seems to be related to the transaction log, when it fills up and it's supposed to roll to a new one it just sits there, I've got to pull out the BDB tools and see what the DBEnv is actually saying but I'm betting it's run out of $something.
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152 2011-05-31 00:45:21 <ne0futur> (sorry for offtopic and cross-posting )
153 2011-05-31 00:45:32 <ZOP> only machine i'm having the issue on unfortunately, and since noone else seems to be having it I'm more than willing to say it very much could be something in the env here lol
154 2011-05-31 00:45:33 <BlueMatt> hm...you might also look at how bitcoin handles txes to begin with, its kind of terrible atm
155 2011-05-31 00:45:39 <cornfeed> what does push mining mean?
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158 2011-05-31 00:46:42 <cornfeed> nvm found the forum exp
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162 2011-05-31 00:50:04 <cornfeed> pushpoold -F -D=2
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164 2011-05-31 00:50:20 <cornfeed> jgarzik: i have compiled pushpool and am running pushpoold -F -D=2 and i get no output... anyideas?
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167 2011-05-31 00:57:57 <cornfeed> pwrcycle: you have pushpool running?
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170 2011-05-31 01:00:29 <pwrcycle> cornfeed: yes just got it all up tonight
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174 2011-05-31 01:00:50 <pwrcycle> try it out i need to make sure the signup and all is working properly
175 2011-05-31 01:01:06 <pwrcycle> http://pool.cloakvpn.com
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177 2011-05-31 01:01:31 <jgarzik> cornfeed: you're looking at syslog?
178 2011-05-31 01:03:28 <cornfeed> i did after i sent that (headslap), got config file(server.json): No such file or directory
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181 2011-05-31 01:06:55 <cornfeed> i installed jansson, is there a config file i did not generate?
182 2011-05-31 01:08:26 <JRWR> isnt a bitcoin based off of sha256?
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184 2011-05-31 01:10:26 <cornfeed> JRWR: yes
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186 2011-05-31 01:11:10 <JRWR> so... after some benchmarks, (found here: http://lapo.it/JEG2/speed.html) we can get some nice speeds in JS
187 2011-05-31 01:12:37 <cornfeed> ....thats still only ~400Khps
188 2011-05-31 01:12:57 <JRWR> times that by your vistors to you site
189 2011-05-31 01:12:59 <cornfeed> not to sound negative, but why the focus on a JS miner when difficulty is doing up?
190 2011-05-31 01:13:05 <cornfeed> hahahaha
191 2011-05-31 01:13:11 <dmh> yea lol
192 2011-05-31 01:13:12 <cornfeed> you mean dont tell them they are mining
193 2011-05-31 01:13:17 <JRWR> :)
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195 2011-05-31 01:13:20 <cornfeed> that is hilarious
196 2011-05-31 01:13:28 <cornfeed> can i d/l?
197 2011-05-31 01:14:07 <cornfeed> omg, you can insert this into everypage with a proxy router...
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200 2011-05-31 01:14:28 <JRWR> or even better
201 2011-05-31 01:14:45 <JRWR> if you run a site like... Wired.com or the likes of it
202 2011-05-31 01:14:59 <JRWR> think about the amount of vistors you get * 400khps
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204 2011-05-31 01:15:28 <Diablo-D3> yes and their browser runs like shit
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206 2011-05-31 01:16:04 <JRWR> put in some auto scale back code, and it might just work out :)
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209 2011-05-31 01:17:18 <cornfeed> their browser would crawwwwwlllllll
210 2011-05-31 01:17:52 <cornfeed> and ie? 50Khps
211 2011-05-31 01:18:27 <cornfeed> tough one, but great advance
212 2011-05-31 01:18:49 <alex__> ;bc,mtgox
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214 2011-05-31 01:18:51 <cornfeed> i bet you could just limit it to chrom browsers though
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216 2011-05-31 01:19:08 <JRWR> webkit or gecko
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218 2011-05-31 01:19:39 <cornfeed> i thought there was another way to identify as chrome
219 2011-05-31 01:19:46 <JRWR> you can
220 2011-05-31 01:19:49 <JRWR> by useragent
221 2011-05-31 01:19:59 <JRWR> but the self sacling code and detect a dead slow broswer
222 2011-05-31 01:20:01 <JRWR> and just stop
223 2011-05-31 01:20:18 <cornfeed> webkit
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229 2011-05-31 01:26:14 <cornfeed> jgarzik: what is server.json, i have searched and am lost, thanks in advance for the help
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237 2011-05-31 01:29:40 <JRWR> cornfeed: http://bitp.it
238 2011-05-31 01:29:49 <JRWR> someone beat us to it
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246 2011-05-31 01:37:06 <jgarzik> cornfeed: it is pushpool's configuration file. see --help output and example-cfg.json.
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251 2011-05-31 01:43:23 <luke-jr> jgarzik: is there any reason to check known/unknown work before hashing? would be nice to accept a valid block if it happens to occur after a pushpoold restart ;)
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253 2011-05-31 01:44:14 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: why couldn't I feed you the refuse from solo mining then?
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256 2011-05-31 01:44:41 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I didn't say don't check it at all
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258 2011-05-31 01:45:00 <gmaxwell> oh, let the bitcoin daemon check it.
259 2011-05-31 01:45:05 <nefario> how to specify an alternative bitcoin.conf file?
260 2011-05-31 01:45:08 <luke-jr> and take the block if it's valid
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262 2011-05-31 01:45:52 <gmaxwell> well, it lets someone DOS you by feeding you a stream of garbage and making you run sha256, but I guess that wouldn't be the largest dos vulnerability in the system.
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264 2011-05-31 01:46:28 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: they could just as well get actual work, then feed me invalid nonces
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269 2011-05-31 01:49:30 <fabianhjr> Damn splitting. D:
270 2011-05-31 01:50:02 <cornfeed> JRWR: hahaha i did 3Khps
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274 2011-05-31 01:53:05 <forrestv> gmaxwell, what's wrong with accepting blocks from people solo mining? :p
275 2011-05-31 01:54:40 <gmaxwell> forrestv: accepting their blocks is fine, accepting 'shares' not so much! :) but luke-jr pointed out that I was incorrect.
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282 2011-05-31 02:00:29 <nefario> how to specify an alternative bitcin.conf for bitcoind
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286 2011-05-31 02:02:50 <Backburn> -conf=file
287 2011-05-31 02:03:52 <Backburn> try --help for more command line options
288 2011-05-31 02:04:27 <nefario> thanks
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306 2011-05-31 02:32:29 <Castor_> can you guys explain to me what a long poll is?
307 2011-05-31 02:32:47 <noagendamarket> its a guy
308 2011-05-31 02:32:48 <Diablo-D3> the opposite of a short poll
309 2011-05-31 02:33:07 <noagendamarket> his nickname is "long poll"
310 2011-05-31 02:33:26 <Castor_> is he hot?
311 2011-05-31 02:33:31 <Diablo-D3> well, he has a long poll
312 2011-05-31 02:33:33 <Castor_> jk
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314 2011-05-31 02:37:29 <joecool> hey, having a problem, just tried sending 20BTC and it rejected saying the coins may have already been spent
315 2011-05-31 02:37:42 <joecool> my balance is much higher than that
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317 2011-05-31 02:39:20 <Diablo-D3> maybe your block list is out of date?
318 2011-05-31 02:39:42 <joecool> well i'll tell you what I did, about a week ago
319 2011-05-31 02:39:44 <GarrettB> joecool: what is your block number at?
320 2011-05-31 02:39:53 <joecool> its not in block explorer
321 2011-05-31 02:40:04 <joecool> 127732
322 2011-05-31 02:40:23 <joecool> i just refetched, but listen... this is what happened
323 2011-05-31 02:40:49 <joecool> about a week ago, I sent out my last transaction, a test transaction to a friend of 0.001BTC with a fee of 0.0005BTC
324 2011-05-31 02:41:12 <joecool> it sat in there, never going to block explorer for days
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328 2011-05-31 02:41:19 <joecool> i kept receiving generations
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331 2011-05-31 02:41:32 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,blocks
332 2011-05-31 02:41:33 <gribble> 127733
333 2011-05-31 02:41:35 <Diablo-D3> your client says that?
334 2011-05-31 02:41:47 <joecool> so what I did? I backed up the wallet.dat, nuked it, and used my backup, and sure enough the transaction never came back in the list
335 2011-05-31 02:42:03 <Diablo-D3> joecool: well it still thinks the coins were locked for a tx
336 2011-05-31 02:42:50 <joecool> Diablo-D3: i just took that backup now of that one that didn't go out
337 2011-05-31 02:42:55 <joecool> and restored it
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339 2011-05-31 02:44:24 <joecool> still showing 0/unconfirmed for that test transaction i sent out
340 2011-05-31 02:44:30 <joecool> 5/25/2011
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345 2011-05-31 02:45:22 <Diablo-D3> joecool: wait for the client to send it
346 2011-05-31 02:45:37 <Diablo-D3> like, leave it running like 24 hours
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348 2011-05-31 02:46:01 <joecool> Diablo-D3: what about the rejected 20?
349 2011-05-31 02:46:47 <Diablo-D3> it should eventually do something vaguely correct
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359 2011-05-31 03:07:47 <jgarzik> luke-jr: not sure I understand the question
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364 2011-05-31 03:11:37 <gjs278> someone repost his question please I missed it
365 2011-05-31 03:11:48 <Diablo-D3> he had a question?
366 2011-05-31 03:12:10 <joecool> i didn't see it
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368 2011-05-31 03:14:01 <black888> can someone look at an error i got earlier with the phoenix miner?
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371 2011-05-31 03:15:49 <luke-jr> jgarzik: right now, if I restart pushpoold and a miner submits a valid omg-50-BTC block, it gets rejected and never claimed
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373 2011-05-31 03:16:13 <luke-jr> jgarzik: is there a reason not to submit such solutions upstream, even if they aren't in the log:
374 2011-05-31 03:16:15 <luke-jr> ?
375 2011-05-31 03:16:27 <Astrohacker> hey guys, does anyone know how to get a transaction to re-broadcast?
376 2011-05-31 03:16:48 <luke-jr> Astrohacker: be patient? :p
377 2011-05-31 03:16:51 <Astrohacker> kiba tried to sell me btc when he had no connections... upon connecting, it appears the transaction was not re-broadcasted
378 2011-05-31 03:16:52 <jgarzik> luke-jr: you don't want to -always- do that, for all runtime. but it can make sense to do that at startup.
379 2011-05-31 03:16:58 <Astrohacker> luke-jr: any idea how long it takes?
380 2011-05-31 03:17:06 <luke-jr> jgarzik: why not?
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383 2011-05-31 03:17:25 <luke-jr> Astrohacker: rtfs
384 2011-05-31 03:17:37 <jgarzik> luke-jr: because once the cache is warmed, that is 100% useless work passed on to bitcoind
385 2011-05-31 03:17:47 <jgarzik> luke-jr: which really doesn't need the extra RPC traffic
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389 2011-05-31 03:19:22 <luke-jr> jgarzik: only passed on to bitcoind if H=0 and such..
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391 2011-05-31 03:19:51 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yes, which is a crapload of guaranteed-fail traffic
392 2011-05-31 03:20:05 <luke-jr> it is? O.o
393 2011-05-31 03:20:18 <luke-jr> work-not-in-log should never occur except during a restart, afaik?
394 2011-05-31 03:20:22 <luke-jr> cheaters aside
395 2011-05-31 03:20:31 <jgarzik> luke-jr: correct
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397 2011-05-31 03:21:19 <luke-jr> so I guess I don't see the harm in doing that check last, after submitting it to bitcoind
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399 2011-05-31 03:22:06 <jgarzik> luke-jr: you don't see the cost in submitting 100,000 useless requests for every 1 useful one?
400 2011-05-31 03:22:28 <jgarzik> heck, it might even at 100,000,000 useless requests for every 1 useful
401 2011-05-31 03:22:36 <jgarzik> pointless load on bitcoind
402 2011-05-31 03:23:02 <da2ce7> any pythons dev's out there???? :)
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404 2011-05-31 03:23:37 <luke-jr> jgarzik: if unknown-work should only ever occur at startup, submitting to bitcoind before JUST THAT CHECK should be no big deal�
405 2011-05-31 03:23:54 <luke-jr> da2ce7: for some insane reason I'm doing a lot of Python coding lately
406 2011-05-31 03:24:31 <da2ce7> luke-jr, for some reason python is the domonant langurage in the bitcoin coding community?
407 2011-05-31 03:24:36 <da2ce7> werid isn't it.
408 2011-05-31 03:24:44 <luke-jr> da2ce7: I hate Python, but I'm using it for like all of eligius :/
409 2011-05-31 03:25:16 <da2ce7> how has you pool been going anyway? got over all the scaling issues?
410 2011-05-31 03:25:21 <luke-jr> speaking of which, my Eligius rewrite is already 500 LOC, and only maybe 1/4 complete
411 2011-05-31 03:25:27 <jgarzik> luke-jr: not sure I follow. I guess I'd have to see a patch, but it doesn't seem possible to check without submitting to bitcoind
412 2011-05-31 03:25:28 <luke-jr> not all ;)
413 2011-05-31 03:26:11 <jgarzik> luke-jr: and removing load on bitcoind is quite important at higher pool loads. >500 Ghps being pumped through pushpoold, and that's a ton of bitcoind work if you submit every solution.
414 2011-05-31 03:26:42 <da2ce7> jgarzik, shouldn't we be focused on optimzing bitcoind?
415 2011-05-31 03:27:02 <jgarzik> da2ce7: <shrug> this is what luke-jr is focused on, ask him :)
416 2011-05-31 03:27:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: my Python work-checker went through all of Eligius's solutions in far under a day, FWIW ;)
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418 2011-05-31 03:27:54 <luke-jr> checking every single diff-1 solution at 500 GH shouldn't really be that difficult
419 2011-05-31 03:28:32 <jgarzik> I guess I just don't see any point in -adding- changes which -increase- bitcoind load 1000x or more
420 2011-05-31 03:28:50 <jgarzik> capable of handling it or not, that's not good engineering
421 2011-05-31 03:28:56 <da2ce7> just change the diff to 12 for submiting probs/
422 2011-05-31 03:29:11 <jgarzik> da2ce7: some pools are already doing that
423 2011-05-31 03:29:16 <da2ce7> 1 is way to low anyway
424 2011-05-31 03:29:19 <jgarzik> yep
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427 2011-05-31 03:30:24 * da2ce7 is back to solo mining
428 2011-05-31 03:31:07 <jgarzik> alas, with just a lone 2x5870 right now, it's all pool all the time for me
429 2011-05-31 03:31:17 <jgarzik> I just wish somebody would mod poclbm to switch pools, if one pool goes down
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431 2011-05-31 03:35:59 <gjs278> jgarzik you can detect it system side with a bit of work
432 2011-05-31 03:36:08 <gjs278> just check if your gpus are in state 1
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434 2011-05-31 03:36:15 <gjs278> 157mhz core clock and whatnot
435 2011-05-31 03:36:28 <gjs278> if so, kill the poclbm running now in a screen, turn on the backup
436 2011-05-31 03:36:36 <gjs278> no idea on how you'll get back to the primary pool though
437 2011-05-31 03:36:52 <gjs278> maybe check with your cpu or something every so often to see if its clear
438 2011-05-31 03:37:27 <gjs278> that's my comprehensive deepbit backup strategy
439 2011-05-31 03:37:36 <jgarzik> gjs278: ...or just run an http proxy, which automatically switches, which is a lot easier
440 2011-05-31 03:37:38 <Kiba> how do you pay a transaction fee with bitcoind?
441 2011-05-31 03:37:47 <Astrohacker> luke-jr: i did what you sked
442 2011-05-31 03:38:11 <jgarzik> gjs278: but the point is to not need such ugly solutions, when it is trivial for python code to fall back
443 2011-05-31 03:38:11 <Astrohacker> luke-jr: i looked at the source. and it does not look to me like the code will necessarily ever be rebroadcast.
444 2011-05-31 03:38:25 <gjs278> I think poclbm-gui already has fallback
445 2011-05-31 03:38:28 <luke-jr> da2ce7: pushpoold can't change diff to anything else yet
446 2011-05-31 03:38:37 <Astrohacker> luke-jr: i mean the transaction. doesn't look like the transaction will necessarily be rebroadcast
447 2011-05-31 03:38:43 <gjs278> but he does it the hack way
448 2011-05-31 03:38:51 <luke-jr> Kiba: it's automatic
449 2011-05-31 03:39:19 <Astrohacker> look at the first few lines of void ResendWalletTransactions()
450 2011-05-31 03:39:28 <jgarzik> luke-jr: sure it can. just change EASY_TARGET. it is all centralized in one define to make the change.... easy
451 2011-05-31 03:39:34 <Astrohacker> static int64 nNextTime;
452 2011-05-31 03:39:34 <Astrohacker> if (GetTime() < nNextTime)
453 2011-05-31 03:39:34 <Astrohacker> return;
454 2011-05-31 03:39:46 <Astrohacker> the nNextTime variable is declared... but not defined. it's then used in the next line.
455 2011-05-31 03:40:05 <Astrohacker> thus it nNextTime is random, is it not?
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457 2011-05-31 03:40:13 <Kiba> luke-jr: can I set the free?
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459 2011-05-31 03:41:06 <luke-jr> jgarzik: IIRC the code to actually *check* the hash isn't as easily configured?
460 2011-05-31 03:41:13 <luke-jr> Kiba: by hacking the code
461 2011-05-31 03:41:22 <Kiba> luke-jr: that's dumb
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463 2011-05-31 03:42:12 <x5x> what would you guys do if you had a 0 day remote code execution vuln on the bitcoin client
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465 2011-05-31 03:42:41 <jgarzik> luke-jr: grep for better_hash. the code checks for 40 bits of zeros. if no, simply return 'true' to miner. if yes, submit to bitcoind and return bitcoind's response.
466 2011-05-31 03:43:51 <sacarlson> x5x what's 0 day remote code ?
467 2011-05-31 03:44:15 <x5x> 0 day - remote code execution - vulnerability
468 2011-05-31 03:44:31 <x5x> 0 day means no one else knows about it
469 2011-05-31 03:44:49 <luke-jr> x5x: TBC!
470 2011-05-31 03:44:54 <x5x> tbc ?
471 2011-05-31 03:45:17 <sacarlson> x5x: what you think none us can read the source code? only way that could happen is in the windows version
472 2011-05-31 03:45:30 <x5x> sacarlson, oh jeez
473 2011-05-31 03:45:34 <x5x> now im acutally worried
474 2011-05-31 03:45:40 <x5x> i was just asking hypothetically before
475 2011-05-31 03:46:52 <sacarlson> x5x: windows is already vunerable without anything in the bitcoin client code. I just had a friend get a key loger installed on his and it was working on his real bank accounts
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477 2011-05-31 03:47:36 <jgarzik> x5x: if you have a security problem, and you don't want to discuss it on the forums, you can email the dev team privately. http://www.bitcoin.org/
478 2011-05-31 03:47:52 <x5x> nah i dont im just asking
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480 2011-05-31 03:48:08 <jgarzik> there's your answer :)
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484 2011-05-31 03:54:56 <jgarzik> luke-jr: of course, if you wanted to add code that added a difficulty integer to the config, that would be nice
485 2011-05-31 03:55:25 <jgarzik> but diff was already built to be changed
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490 2011-05-31 03:57:43 <luke-jr> jgarzik: got my hands full rewriting/optimizing the core Eligius code unfortunately :<
491 2011-05-31 03:57:57 <luke-jr> jgarzik: also, if I did it, I'd make it configurable per-user )
492 2011-05-31 03:57:59 <luke-jr> ;)
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505 2011-05-31 04:10:18 <mrb_> x5x: steal the wallet.dat of course ;)
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508 2011-05-31 04:12:47 <x5x> mrb_, whose ?
509 2011-05-31 04:13:12 <kika_> Diablo-D3: i dont know why diablominer started to work at 50% the usual speed after been mining 1 whole day on my 6990 card
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514 2011-05-31 04:15:23 <mrb_> x5x: the victim users'.
515 2011-05-31 04:15:34 <x5x> mrb_, what victim would you chose? and only 1 ?
516 2011-05-31 04:15:46 <x5x> if its a remote code exec that means u can make a worm that geos thru the entire network
517 2011-05-31 04:15:53 <mrb_> everybody. do it slowly to not get noticed.
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519 2011-05-31 04:16:05 <x5x> how much woudl you take ?
520 2011-05-31 04:16:31 <mrb_> as much as possible. I think any evil attacker would do this.
521 2011-05-31 04:16:52 <mrb_> but not too much to cause a panic and recreation of the chain from scratch.
522 2011-05-31 04:17:38 <kika_> mrb_ you found a remote exec bug on bitcoin?
523 2011-05-31 04:17:57 <Diablo-D3> kika_: probably one of the cores locked up
524 2011-05-31 04:18:12 <kika_> Diablo-D3: do you have idea why the core might have locked up ?
525 2011-05-31 04:18:13 <mrb_> no.
526 2011-05-31 04:18:31 <mrb_> I am answering x5x's theoretical questions.
527 2011-05-31 04:18:33 <Diablo-D3> kika_: driver bug
528 2011-05-31 04:18:43 <mrb_> hypothetical.
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532 2011-05-31 04:18:56 <kika_> Diablo-D3: weird, so maybe i need to make a script that restarts diablominer once per hour to prevent this?
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534 2011-05-31 04:19:30 <Diablo-D3> kika_: are you repeatedly polling the hardware with something? like aticonfig or amdoverdrivectrl?
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536 2011-05-31 04:19:44 <kika_> Diablo-D3: nopes, im just running diablominer
537 2011-05-31 04:19:49 <Diablo-D3> weird, dunno
538 2011-05-31 04:20:38 <kika_> deepbit website doesnt seem to be working weird
539 2011-05-31 04:21:25 <x5x> mrb_, yea probably the ideal would be like 1 btc from each person or osmething
540 2011-05-31 04:22:01 <x5x> i dunno i kindof just see this as inevitable
541 2011-05-31 04:22:20 <x5x> while everyone is running a client written in c++
542 2011-05-31 04:22:27 <x5x> but i hope im wrong
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544 2011-05-31 04:27:22 <mrb_> this is why my main wallet is offline. always.
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546 2011-05-31 04:29:45 <darbsllim> so much interesting convo going on in here
547 2011-05-31 04:29:50 <darbsllim> how ht eheck do you keep up with it lol
548 2011-05-31 04:29:56 <darbsllim> I woudlnt' get any work done all day
549 2011-05-31 04:29:58 <luke-jr> darbsllim: #yandere
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551 2011-05-31 04:30:43 <kika_> which pool do you guys recommend now that deepbit isnt working fine?
552 2011-05-31 04:31:18 <gjs278> it's working for me
553 2011-05-31 04:31:32 <darbsllim> luke-jr haha thats even worse for productivty =P
554 2011-05-31 04:31:39 <luke-jr> ZS
555 2011-05-31 04:31:40 <luke-jr> XD*
556 2011-05-31 04:31:45 <luke-jr> kika_: #Eligius
557 2011-05-31 04:31:49 <kika_> oh true it works now
558 2011-05-31 04:32:02 <kika_> Eligius waits until a block is solved to pay ?
559 2011-05-31 04:32:12 <kika_> or it even pays you if the block isnt solved like deepbit?
560 2011-05-31 04:32:19 <kika_> ill earn more than deepbit using eligious?
561 2011-05-31 04:32:23 <x5x> mrb_, yea but if this happened theres a chance it would completley destory the value of all btc
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563 2011-05-31 04:33:25 <mrb_> well that's the best one can do.
564 2011-05-31 04:33:40 <x5x> yea i pretty much agree
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566 2011-05-31 04:33:49 <x5x> i just hope that someday the official bitcoin client gets switcehd to java
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568 2011-05-31 04:34:57 <mrb_> a big risk too is mtgox sufferring catastrophic data loss or corruption
569 2011-05-31 04:35:18 <x5x> mrb_, yea forsure altho thats an easier solution
570 2011-05-31 04:35:19 <mrb_> causing many to lose what they have there (BTC and USD)
571 2011-05-31 04:35:23 <x5x> just have more exchanges
572 2011-05-31 04:36:17 <mrb_> that's why I never keep more than a few hundreds BTC there
573 2011-05-31 04:37:02 <x5x> yea
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575 2011-05-31 04:38:42 <luke-jr> kika_: yes
576 2011-05-31 04:38:53 <GarrettB> mrb_: how many btc do you have?
577 2011-05-31 04:39:11 <darbsllim> luke-jr how can you afford to pay out even if the block isnt' solved?
578 2011-05-31 04:39:26 <luke-jr> darbsllim: I don't.
579 2011-05-31 04:39:33 <GarrettB> I have to wonder when you talk about keeping 'only
580 2011-05-31 04:39:37 <GarrettB> a few hunderd'
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582 2011-05-31 04:40:48 <x5x> mrb's a baller
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585 2011-05-31 04:41:41 <darbsllim> luke-jr you don't payout when the block isn't solved, or you do it but can't afford it?
586 2011-05-31 04:42:00 <luke-jr> darbsllim: the block pays the people who mined for it
587 2011-05-31 04:42:14 <darbsllim> luke-jr if it's solved?
588 2011-05-31 04:42:23 <luke-jr> when
589 2011-05-31 04:42:30 <darbsllim> kika_ was saying that Deepbit pays out if the block isn't solved, is that true?
590 2011-05-31 04:42:37 * darbsllim is confused
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592 2011-05-31 04:43:14 <luke-jr> darbsllim: if you pay 10% fee
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595 2011-05-31 04:43:45 <darbsllim> luke-jr does it work out in the user's favor?
596 2011-05-31 04:44:03 <luke-jr> darbsllim: Eligius pays the maximum possible basically
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601 2011-05-31 04:48:50 <kika_> darbsllim: "We pay you for every solved block, even if it later becomes invalid (0.5%-1.2% extra) "
602 2011-05-31 04:49:22 <luke-jr> kika_: but they pay you *less*
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609 2011-05-31 04:54:46 <gmaxwell> Split chains are fairly uncommon.
610 2011-05-31 04:55:04 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: how many splits have you had, one or two?
611 2011-05-31 04:55:31 <luke-jr> 1 I think
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613 2011-05-31 04:57:26 <gmaxwell> BTC Guild (who has easy stats page with this data, which is why I'm using it) has had two invalids in 198 total. So, basically 1% for them. Which means that if you pay their 2.5% fee to get paid on those blocks, you're still losing 1.5%.
614 2011-05-31 04:58:00 <gmaxwell> (though they do enable other features for the feeâ and it supports running the pool, so I'm not suggesting that their users who do so are irational)
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616 2011-05-31 05:02:05 <darbsllim> gmaxwell what is a plit chain?
617 2011-05-31 05:02:48 <gmaxwell> A split chain is when you solve a block but it doesn't become part of the longest chain because someone else solved a block at around the same time.
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620 2011-05-31 05:04:36 <luke-jr> also, you don't lose work on Eligius if a block goes stale ;)
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622 2011-05-31 05:05:39 <darbsllim> what happens to the split chain?
623 2011-05-31 05:05:56 <darbsllim> does it create it's own existence like in the action packed psychological thriller Source Code?
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626 2011-05-31 05:11:03 <noagendamarket> :0
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632 2011-05-31 05:24:16 <yebyen> is there some kind of trick you can do to cap the upload of bitcoin?
633 2011-05-31 05:25:02 <yebyen> something you can put in bitcoin.conf
634 2011-05-31 05:25:17 <yebyen> i need to cap it at 8k/s or i can't leave it running...
635 2011-05-31 05:25:59 <x5x> yebyen, what os ?
636 2011-05-31 05:26:35 <yebyen> linux
637 2011-05-31 05:26:52 <yebyen> can you do it with iptables?
638 2011-05-31 05:30:40 <yebyen> ooh, mastershaper
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641 2011-05-31 05:32:13 <yebyen> traffic shaping might not be exactly what i want... there ought to be a way to limit a particular process's uploading
642 2011-05-31 05:32:27 <yebyen> maybe i haven't read enough documentation
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649 2011-05-31 05:40:42 <ne0futur> yebyen: trickle can limit a process
650 2011-05-31 05:41:25 <ne0futur> iirc his name , and it wont work woth any binary theres something wil shared or static libs
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659 2011-05-31 05:57:55 <iz> so with pushpool, the blkmond watches for new blocks and sends a flush when a new block is found, right? does that mean when a new block is found, everyone needs to start on a new block?
660 2011-05-31 05:58:20 <iz> or are there several blocks that are being worked on at the same time by the network? (like by various pools and solo miners)
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683 2011-05-31 06:50:05 <da2ce7> https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=4739.0
684 2011-05-31 06:50:17 <da2ce7> ^ dev's check this out.
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779 2011-05-31 09:46:01 <soso> hi, are there any PHP devs around here?
780 2011-05-31 09:46:08 <phantomcircuit> yes
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782 2011-05-31 09:46:41 <soso> do you know how to use the sendmany method?
783 2011-05-31 09:47:15 <soso> I can't seem to be able to call it properly
784 2011-05-31 09:47:30 <phantomcircuit> soso, from php? not a clue haven't used the php rpc stuff
785 2011-05-31 09:47:44 <phantomcircuit> one sec ill find out
786 2011-05-31 09:47:52 <eps1> ;;bc,mtgox
787 2011-05-31 09:47:53 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9,"low":8.3625,"vol":22194,"buy":8.87,"sell":8.9,"last":8.9999}}
788 2011-05-31 09:49:17 <phantomcircuit> soso, $bitcoin->sendmany($fromaccount,array($address=>$amount));
789 2011-05-31 09:49:25 <phantomcircuit> soso, at least that would be my first guess
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791 2011-05-31 09:49:43 <soso> well, that's what I've tried but it doesn't work
792 2011-05-31 09:50:11 <phantomcircuit> soso, ok well try doing the array as a straight string
793 2011-05-31 09:50:21 <phantomcircuit> "{$address:$amount}"
794 2011-05-31 09:51:43 <soso> tried that as well :) it always throws me an exception saying that it can't connect to user:pass@host:port, but all other methods work fine
795 2011-05-31 09:51:57 <phantomcircuit> oh then something else is wrong
796 2011-05-31 09:52:17 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, does that forum post say that you're going to be working with open transaction?
797 2011-05-31 09:52:44 <soso> member:phantomcircuit, it works from the console though
798 2011-05-31 09:53:00 <noagendamarket> yes da2ce7 is working with open transactions
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800 2011-05-31 09:53:41 <phantomcircuit> noagendamarket, the open transactions specification is a joke, you end up trusting at the very least 1 third party
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802 2011-05-31 09:56:02 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, what do you mean? Open Transactions is just a libary that you can choose to use in any way.
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804 2011-05-31 09:56:52 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, admittedly i didn't look too hard, but from what i could tell they had an intended use pattern which involved trusting a bunch of people
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806 2011-05-31 09:58:06 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, yeah it's basically a system in which everybody trades tokens via a trusted third aprty
807 2011-05-31 09:59:46 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, no you only need to trust the server, and only the server to a limited degree.
808 2011-05-31 09:59:46 <da2ce7> you need to trust the issuer of the asset tho, just any system
809 2011-05-31 09:59:47 <da2ce7> If I issued out da2ce7:credits then you would need to trust me that I wouldn't debase my credits.
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812 2011-05-31 10:00:08 <anddam> hello
813 2011-05-31 10:00:29 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, yep... but that is very usefull... say in building a WOT system... where I issue out tokens to people whom I trust.
814 2011-05-31 10:00:41 <anddam> what are the src/rc/ bitmaps intended for?
815 2011-05-31 10:00:46 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, that's kind of my point, you're trusting the token server, you're trusting the asset issuer, and iirc in certain instances you're trusting someone else
816 2011-05-31 10:00:53 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, that's a whole lot of trust
817 2011-05-31 10:01:45 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, the world is based upon trust... when you transact bitcoin you need to have trust that what you are trading it for isn't a scam... there is always going to be a need for trust based networks.
818 2011-05-31 10:01:59 <phantomcircuit> and even if the token server cant tell who your sending money to, at the very elast your trusting that they'll continue to operate
819 2011-05-31 10:03:06 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, yes but that's a kind of trust that can be controlled for easily, both parties in a transaction with bitcoin have roughly equal power to screw the other person over, the same is not true of a system with a single trusted token server (or issuer)
820 2011-05-31 10:03:13 <phantomcircuit> which is kind of the entire point of bitcoin :P
821 2011-05-31 10:03:55 <phantomcircuit> although open transactions is a pretty good match for things like WoW where you already have a trusted third party anyways
822 2011-05-31 10:05:18 <da2ce7> might as well make them cryptography secure.
823 2011-05-31 10:05:18 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, yes and no... if the server goes down, you can always go back to the issuer.
824 2011-05-31 10:05:18 <da2ce7> so the servers in essence are nothing more than the PGP keyservers that we all know.
825 2011-05-31 10:05:18 <da2ce7> the issuer and the user are the real points of trust.
826 2011-05-31 10:05:35 <da2ce7> yeah... Open Transactions and Bitcoin solve differnt problems, they are very complmentary
827 2011-05-31 10:05:59 <soso> phantomcircuit, did some tests with other API calls and it seems that Bitcoin throws the "Unable to connect" exception whenever the parameters are invalid
828 2011-05-31 10:06:10 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, yes and that's even worse, the total volume o currency is now based on how much you trust the issuer, that's a pretty shitty system
829 2011-05-31 10:06:40 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc.blocks
830 2011-05-31 10:06:41 <gribble> Error: "bc.blocks" is not a valid command.
831 2011-05-31 10:06:47 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,blocks
832 2011-05-31 10:06:49 <gribble> 127776
833 2011-05-31 10:07:06 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, no it isn't. Say sombody uses mybitcoin... they trust that mybitcoin has kept their DB in order and there is no accountablity.
834 2011-05-31 10:07:22 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, yes and that is stupid
835 2011-05-31 10:07:32 <phantomcircuit> mybitcoin.com is a convenience service
836 2011-05-31 10:07:48 <da2ce7> MyBitcoin + Open Transactions, would mean that every user would have a cyptographic credit to their bitcoins stored.
837 2011-05-31 10:07:53 <da2ce7> that would be far more secure.
838 2011-05-31 10:08:20 <gjs278> http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1473/screenshotsd.png ugh what the hell is this crap
839 2011-05-31 10:08:27 <gjs278> it just started
840 2011-05-31 10:08:37 <gjs278> I've switched pools and I still get it so I'm assuming it's me
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842 2011-05-31 10:08:46 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, that setup is fundamentally insecure, ot is nothing more than window dressing at that point
843 2011-05-31 10:09:06 <da2ce7> If I had a silver safe, and issued out credits to those who I store the silver for...
844 2011-05-31 10:09:07 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, i beleive all the pools are getting ddos'd
845 2011-05-31 10:09:12 <gjs278> oh ok
846 2011-05-31 10:09:14 <gjs278> cool
847 2011-05-31 10:09:28 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, they'd be trusting you 100%, the same as people trust the federal reserve (or dont)
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849 2011-05-31 10:09:59 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, ot basically just provides a mechanism for people to run their own reserve bank, which seems silly
850 2011-05-31 10:10:09 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, are you saying that those people who cannot afford their own silver safe, and using a 3rd part's safe is stupid.
851 2011-05-31 10:10:44 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, no im saying they should be using bitcoins which where developed specifically to avoid the need for a trusted third party
852 2011-05-31 10:10:47 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, of course
853 2011-05-31 10:10:48 <da2ce7> there are many many things that require a central trust... even in a free market.
854 2011-05-31 10:11:20 <phantomcircuit> in a free market you should only have to trust the people you explicitly transact with
855 2011-05-31 10:11:27 <da2ce7> the point of bitcoin is so people are not 'focred' to use a central trust with the federal reserve.
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857 2011-05-31 10:11:44 <da2ce7> if people want to use a trust service by all means.
858 2011-05-31 10:11:44 <phantomcircuit> if i buy a coffee from you, i pay you before you make the coffee
859 2011-05-31 10:11:52 <da2ce7> just don't force them to.
860 2011-05-31 10:12:32 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, sure but why would they trust some random service online more than the federal reserve bank of the united states of america? seems unlikely
861 2011-05-31 10:12:44 <phantomcircuit> seems like a solution in search of a problem
862 2011-05-31 10:13:09 <da2ce7> for example, the waranty of the bike that you bought with bitcoin's could be issued with a Open Transactions recept. Showing that the bike store will fix it under 'xyz' conditions.
863 2011-05-31 10:13:28 <da2ce7> that requires a central trust, and is very usefull.
864 2011-05-31 10:13:47 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, uh no it doesn't, the receipt could simply be signed with their private key
865 2011-05-31 10:13:56 <phantomcircuit> so long as their private key is well known that's good enough
866 2011-05-31 10:13:59 <da2ce7> that is what Open Tranasctions is.
867 2011-05-31 10:14:05 <da2ce7> lol.
868 2011-05-31 10:14:19 <da2ce7> that is the whole point of Open Transactions, to do stuff like that.
869 2011-05-31 10:14:30 <phantomcircuit> that might be a tiny point of ot
870 2011-05-31 10:14:40 <da2ce7> you could have the deed to your house as a Open Transactions asset.
871 2011-05-31 10:15:19 <phantomcircuit> but the base system is a blinded token server (which you have to trust) an asset issuer (which you have to trust) and asset valuation scheme (which you have to trust) and then the triple signed receitp stuff just thrown on top
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873 2011-05-31 10:15:38 <ersi> phantomcircuit: Why are you so aggressivly against OT? If you havn't even bothered to check what you're arguing against?
874 2011-05-31 10:15:53 <ersi> It's not like da2ce7 came in and said "SCRAP BITCOIN, I FOUND OT. LETS SWITCH"
875 2011-05-31 10:16:06 <noagendamarket> maybe hes playing devils advocate ?
876 2011-05-31 10:16:11 <ersi> Surely they complement each other?
877 2011-05-31 10:16:18 <ersi> If needed be, if wanted be.
878 2011-05-31 10:16:24 <phantomcircuit> ersi, when i say cursory look i mean i read the first half of the specification and realized it was nothing more than cryptographic emulation of the current financial system
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880 2011-05-31 10:17:17 <da2ce7> so you are saying that we don't need a financial system if we have bitcoin?
881 2011-05-31 10:17:27 <noagendamarket> You cant do everything in bitcoin. You cant even get a receipt or a message lol
882 2011-05-31 10:17:43 <da2ce7> IMHO bitcoin only solves one problem... there are still other things to solve.
883 2011-05-31 10:17:58 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, no im saying that we dont need to replicate the failings of the current financial system
884 2011-05-31 10:18:08 <noagendamarket> you still have to trust the merchant to back their warranty etc
885 2011-05-31 10:18:17 <noagendamarket> even if you oay in bitcoins
886 2011-05-31 10:18:22 <noagendamarket> *pay
887 2011-05-31 10:18:47 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, so you want to make a system that has no relation to the real world or how people work?
888 2011-05-31 10:18:51 <phantomcircuit> noagendamarket, yeah the same is true if they sign your warranty with ot, you have to trust they wont simply leave
889 2011-05-31 10:19:11 <da2ce7> IMHO, that is just daft and stupid. OR you are trolling.
890 2011-05-31 10:19:22 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, no i want to make a system that works with the real world but doesn't have the same failings
891 2011-05-31 10:19:47 <noagendamarket> if youre a merchant try using bitcoin to keep a record of who bought what.....
892 2011-05-31 10:19:54 <phantomcircuit> specifically the need to trust a bunch of useless third parties who will inevitably abuse that trust
893 2011-05-31 10:20:16 <ersi> Just create a billion addresses! then you'll know who paid for what!
894 2011-05-31 10:20:21 <phantomcircuit> noagendamarket, generate new address for each user, or if you dont have accounts for each transaction, amazing
895 2011-05-31 10:20:54 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, maybe you want to have a business contract, that defines what work that user is going to do for you.... well OT dose contracts.
896 2011-05-31 10:20:56 <phantomcircuit> ersi, it sounds absurd but if you do the numbers it's really not the big of a deal
897 2011-05-31 10:21:03 <noagendamarket> but youi cant tell "what " the fuck you bought
898 2011-05-31 10:21:06 <noagendamarket> lol
899 2011-05-31 10:21:21 <noagendamarket> yeah it has an address and a label
900 2011-05-31 10:21:36 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, no ot signs contracts, but that means fuck all since contracts are never contested on the grounds that they weren't signed
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902 2011-05-31 10:22:41 <noagendamarket> can you plug bitcoin into quicken to easily do your bookwork ?
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904 2011-05-31 10:22:44 <phantomcircuit> noagendamarket, the address is attached to a purchase order on the merchants side, if you mean that you as a buyer cant tell which transaction was for which merchant than you're right, but that's entirely a gui failure
905 2011-05-31 10:22:45 <noagendamarket> no
906 2011-05-31 10:23:07 <noagendamarket> thats what Im saying
907 2011-05-31 10:23:20 <noagendamarket> you as the buyer dont have a fucking clue
908 2011-05-31 10:23:24 <phantomcircuit> yes but implementing ot is not the solution to a simple gui failure
909 2011-05-31 10:23:41 <phantomcircuit> that's kind of like blowing up the earth because there's some cockroaches
910 2011-05-31 10:23:46 <noagendamarket> lol
911 2011-05-31 10:24:24 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, I think that you are either a Troll or live in the clouds, real life is based upon real trust. and OT is a way for people to quantify that trust.
912 2011-05-31 10:24:35 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, facepalm
913 2011-05-31 10:24:36 <noagendamarket> Ill tell the tax man "it was a simple gui failure" when they audit me
914 2011-05-31 10:24:43 <noagendamarket> because the tax doc sucks
915 2011-05-31 10:24:45 <noagendamarket> lol
916 2011-05-31 10:25:03 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, ot is a way to establish trust, yes that is clear, however you're establishing trust with more people than is necessary
917 2011-05-31 10:25:15 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, ot makes the trust problem worse, not better
918 2011-05-31 10:25:26 <phantomcircuit> noagendamarket, lol
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920 2011-05-31 10:26:26 <noagendamarket> http://www.freshbooks.com/ oh look
921 2011-05-31 10:27:00 <noagendamarket> :)-
922 2011-05-31 10:27:27 <phantomcircuit> lol
923 2011-05-31 10:27:41 <phantomcircuit> a billing service with an electronic punch card
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926 2011-05-31 10:28:18 <noagendamarket> how do i know a service like that isnt fucking me either ?
927 2011-05-31 10:28:40 <da2ce7> as soon as you have two people whom are trading with eachother, there has to be some degree of trust. If you live on a desert island and don't interact with anything... I guess you don't need trust then.
928 2011-05-31 10:28:49 <noagendamarket> or give me a plugin for https://www.mint.com/
929 2011-05-31 10:28:56 <phantomcircuit> noagendamarket, either you trust their punch card system, or you do the math yourself
930 2011-05-31 10:29:26 <noagendamarket> google is my memory lol
931 2011-05-31 10:29:39 <noagendamarket> I dont have fucking time for spreadsheets
932 2011-05-31 10:29:42 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, what you're missing is that ot adds another party to that transaction, it doesn't change that you need to trust the person you're transacting with, it simply adds another party that you have to trust to the transaction
933 2011-05-31 10:30:10 <da2ce7> what other party, if you don't need to trust the server?
934 2011-05-31 10:30:10 <phantomcircuit> noagendamarket, fuck spreadsheet i just use a simple electronic punch card
935 2011-05-31 10:30:24 <phantomcircuit> noagendamarket, date > work_log.txt
936 2011-05-31 10:30:32 <da2ce7> what part of 'low trust servers' don't you understand?
937 2011-05-31 10:30:35 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, you do need to trust the server
938 2011-05-31 10:30:40 <phantomcircuit> jesus you do need to trust them
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940 2011-05-31 10:30:55 <noagendamarket> have faith in jesus ?
941 2011-05-31 10:31:02 <noagendamarket> lol
942 2011-05-31 10:31:19 <phantomcircuit> blinded tokens means they cant tell who you are or whom your spending with, but they can still simply steal from random people
943 2011-05-31 10:32:28 <da2ce7> you don't _have_to_ use the blinded tokens, they are the option if you want to use them...
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945 2011-05-31 10:33:07 <phantomcircuit> da2ce7, then what's the point? all you get is receipts signed by them
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947 2011-05-31 10:38:03 <da2ce7> and contracts, and tradeable assets, invoices, recipts, checks, shares,
948 2011-05-31 10:38:12 <da2ce7> automatic markets.
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973 2011-05-31 11:02:54 <graingert> heya
974 2011-05-31 11:03:03 <graingert> on windows, how can I talk to the client via RPC?
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976 2011-05-31 11:03:52 <ersi> graingert: use cmd.exe?
977 2011-05-31 11:03:59 <graingert> durp
978 2011-05-31 11:04:13 <ersi> Or do it via rpc >_<
979 2011-05-31 11:04:19 <graingert> durpaherp
980 2011-05-31 11:04:38 <graingert> no but what's the daemon or can I call bitcoin.exe
981 2011-05-31 11:04:39 <graingert> with parms?
982 2011-05-31 11:05:05 <ersi> Isn't a bitcoind.exe bundled with? (I'm sorry, was a lot of releases since I checked it out on windows)
983 2011-05-31 11:05:10 <graingert> ah okay
984 2011-05-31 11:05:26 <graingert> in that case what port does bitcoind listen on?
985 2011-05-31 11:06:40 <graingert> ah that's in the config file right
986 2011-05-31 11:06:43 <ersi> 8333
987 2011-05-31 11:06:46 <graingert> yeah no I am a noob
988 2011-05-31 11:06:48 <ersi> Or whatever you set in the config
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990 2011-05-31 11:06:57 <ersi> Everyone starts out inexperianced
991 2011-05-31 11:07:03 <graingert> I know how to do it on linux xD
992 2011-05-31 11:07:06 <ersi> :)
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994 2011-05-31 11:07:26 <graingert> I don't think windows is ready for the desktop yet
995 2011-05-31 11:07:33 <graingert> ;)
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997 2011-05-31 11:08:09 <soso> lol
998 2011-05-31 11:08:11 <soso> good one :D
999 2011-05-31 11:08:39 <soso> unfortunately most people use it on their desktops
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1001 2011-05-31 11:11:32 <graingert> /cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Bitcoin/daemon/bitcoind.exe: error while loading shared libraries: libeay32.dll: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1002 2011-05-31 11:11:40 <graingert> ah I have to be in the directory above
1003 2011-05-31 11:11:43 <graingert> clearly a bad idea
1004 2011-05-31 11:11:55 <graingert> fracking libs
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1006 2011-05-31 11:13:32 <soso> has anyone been successful with 'sendmany' under PHP?
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1024 2011-05-31 11:54:21 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,blocks
1025 2011-05-31 11:54:22 <gribble> 127788
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1039 2011-05-31 12:04:43 <AntiVigilante> what format is wallet.dat in?
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1042 2011-05-31 12:08:05 <BlueMatt> bdb
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1069 2011-05-31 12:56:43 <Kiba> wee!
1070 2011-05-31 12:56:48 <Kiba> first bitcoinweekly t-shirt sold!
1071 2011-05-31 12:58:36 <edcba> lol
1072 2011-05-31 12:58:47 <edcba> you are rich now !
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1075 2011-05-31 13:03:26 <mutualist> I did not get a connection to begin with on my linux-computer, so I moved my wallet to my windows-computer and it increased to 96 kb at around ~70 000 blocks (probably a transaction from the bitcoin faucet). I managed to establish connection on my linux computer so I moved the wallet from the windows computer back to the linux computer and let it run until it finished downloading all blocks and when that was done the program crashed,
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1077 2011-05-31 13:04:40 <mutualist> so it seems that the bitcoin client has destroyed the wallet. I do not know if this is a relevant "bug" to report to you guys or not
1078 2011-05-31 13:05:04 <diki> how come pushpool doesnt have sleep for making the thread sleep yet it doesnt hog the CPU at idle and even when sending work
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1080 2011-05-31 13:05:25 <diki> it does so many loops yet...
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1083 2011-05-31 13:05:49 <phantomcircuit> mutualist, do you have a backup of your wallet?
1084 2011-05-31 13:06:15 <mutualist> yes
1085 2011-05-31 13:06:27 <phantomcircuit> in that case probably not
1086 2011-05-31 13:06:34 <phantomcircuit> there are more than a few crash bugs
1087 2011-05-31 13:06:35 <mutualist> I saved it just in case you were interested
1088 2011-05-31 13:06:56 <mutualist> all right
1089 2011-05-31 13:08:04 <mutualist> I only lost my first 0.02 BTC so it is no big deal :)
1090 2011-05-31 13:08:10 <diki> lol
1091 2011-05-31 13:08:37 <mutualist> in the future I guess one should refrain from moving the wallet back and forth without waiting for the client to download all blocks, right?
1092 2011-05-31 13:08:46 <diki> yep
1093 2011-05-31 13:09:02 <mutualist> a lot of people lost BTC that way?
1094 2011-05-31 13:09:07 <phantomcircuit> yeah close the client before moving things around
1095 2011-05-31 13:09:23 <mutualist> ok
1096 2011-05-31 13:09:29 <diki> as for my question?
1097 2011-05-31 13:09:39 <mutualist> thank you
1098 2011-05-31 13:12:32 <ersi> diki: Because it's sleepy.
1099 2011-05-31 13:12:43 <UukGoblin> btw, I think I did get an error message in 0.3.21 when I tried to sendtoaddress with a transaction that required a fee...
1100 2011-05-31 13:12:59 <UukGoblin> I guess that must have been fixed from 0.3.19 (which just took the money from my account without asking)
1101 2011-05-31 13:13:26 <phantomcircuit> diki, it uses blocking sockets iirc
1102 2011-05-31 13:15:20 <diki> ;;google blocking sockets
1103 2011-05-31 13:15:21 <gribble> Blocking vs. Non-Blocking Sockets - Introduction to TCP/IP - VB 6 ...: <http://www.developerfusion.com/article/28/introduction-to-tcpip/8/>; Blocking vs. non-blocking sockets: <http://www.scottklement.com/rpg/socktut/nonblocking.html>; Socket overlapped I/O versus blocking/nonblocking mode: <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/181611>
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1112 2011-05-31 13:37:09 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * re010b19 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Made it a little faster on SDK 2.4 - http://bit.ly/lqT4OW
1113 2011-05-31 13:39:41 <[Tycho]> Diablo-D3, are you here ?
1114 2011-05-31 13:39:47 <Diablo-D3> yes
1115 2011-05-31 13:40:07 <[Tycho]> Is your miner working with deepbit now ?
1116 2011-05-31 13:40:20 <Diablo-D3> dunno, I havent tried
1117 2011-05-31 13:40:31 <Diablo-D3> Ive been running locally because Ive been hacking on it
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1119 2011-05-31 13:40:53 <[Tycho]> Would be interesting to know.
1120 2011-05-31 13:41:02 <Diablo-D3> why, what did you change?
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1123 2011-05-31 13:42:23 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: it works
1124 2011-05-31 13:42:26 <Diablo-D3> wait
1125 2011-05-31 13:42:28 <Diablo-D3> no it doesnt
1126 2011-05-31 13:42:35 <Diablo-D3> [5/31/11 9:35:00 AM] ERROR: Can't connect to Bitcoin: Server redirected too many times (20)
1127 2011-05-31 13:44:28 <[Tycho]> As I suspected.
1128 2011-05-31 13:44:51 <[Tycho]> It's affected by the ddos protection :(
1129 2011-05-31 13:44:58 <Diablo-D3> lol?
1130 2011-05-31 13:45:26 <[Tycho]> It's strange that all other miners work.
1131 2011-05-31 13:45:54 <Diablo-D3> you probably need to set your threshold higher
1132 2011-05-31 13:46:00 <Diablo-D3> since I do three connections in a row
1133 2011-05-31 13:46:07 <Diablo-D3> actually, 6 due to lp
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1135 2011-05-31 13:46:14 <[Tycho]> This redirection is caused by lack of cookies support or using http instead of https.
1136 2011-05-31 13:46:38 <phantomcircuit> [Tycho], ddos protection using cookies? what the fuck
1137 2011-05-31 13:46:42 <Diablo-D3> you do https now?
1138 2011-05-31 13:46:48 <Diablo-D3> also cookies lol
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1140 2011-05-31 13:47:05 <[Tycho]> phantomcircuit, it's not my own, just some side-effect.
1141 2011-05-31 13:47:12 <phantomcircuit> lol
1142 2011-05-31 13:48:37 <[Tycho]> Diablo-D3, no, https is not yet available on 8332 port. But that's strange anyway. Wait, i'm thinking about this.
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1144 2011-05-31 13:48:57 <[Tycho]> There really shouldn't be anything with cookies on 8332 port
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1146 2011-05-31 13:49:52 <Diablo-D3> I hate the fact I have an email for a miner user
1147 2011-05-31 13:50:02 <tcatm> [Tycho]: what's wrong with deepbit's api?
1148 2011-05-31 13:50:22 <[Tycho]> tcatm, what site/service do you own ?
1149 2011-05-31 13:50:44 <tcatm> bitcoinwatch/charts
1150 2011-05-31 13:51:03 <[Tycho]> tcatm, can you try to request my json via https ?
1151 2011-05-31 13:51:49 <tcatm> sure
1152 2011-05-31 13:51:53 <[Tycho]> Diablo-D3, you think that it's insecure ?
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1154 2011-05-31 13:52:01 <Diablo-D3> no, I cant use --url
1155 2011-05-31 13:52:03 <[Tycho]> tcatm, tell me if it will help.
1156 2011-05-31 13:52:16 <[Tycho]> Diablo-D3, but why phoenix can ?
1157 2011-05-31 13:52:25 <Diablo-D3> because its coded badly
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1159 2011-05-31 13:53:10 <[Tycho]> Escaping the "@" won't help ?
1160 2011-05-31 13:53:20 <Diablo-D3> no
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1163 2011-05-31 13:53:57 <[Tycho]> Adding full login name to worker's name really helps to see who is who in my logs :)
1164 2011-05-31 13:54:23 <Diablo-D3> yeah but you could do what I do in my pool
1165 2011-05-31 13:54:25 <Diablo-D3> s/@/+/
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1168 2011-05-31 13:58:57 <jjhg> does anyone have access to fix this: http://t.co/jeQx4D9 i
1169 2011-05-31 13:59:00 <jjhg> forbidden
1170 2011-05-31 13:59:14 <jjhg> people on twitter wondering why it is forbidden
1171 2011-05-31 14:00:48 <tcatm> [Tycho]: yay, deepbit is back on bitcoinwatch :)
1172 2011-05-31 14:01:03 <tcatm> jjhg: I'm currently setting up a static mirror
1173 2011-05-31 14:01:13 <jjhg> thanks
1174 2011-05-31 14:03:00 <[Tycho]> I should make a list of project owners. Never can remember who is author of what :)
1175 2011-05-31 14:03:03 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: heh, I added it so I can do foo\\@bar.com
1176 2011-05-31 14:03:04 <Diablo-D3> how ugly
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1178 2011-05-31 14:04:25 <tcatm> [Tycho]: I think the wiki had such a list
1179 2011-05-31 14:05:14 <[Tycho]> Wow, the "Other" pool really lost his users :)
1180 2011-05-31 14:05:44 <Diablo-D3> hah
1181 2011-05-31 14:05:49 <Diablo-D3> I fixed the one long standing bug
1182 2011-05-31 14:05:56 <mtrlt> you stole them, dammit :P
1183 2011-05-31 14:05:59 <Diablo-D3> I can now use --url with --user and --pass
1184 2011-05-31 14:06:07 <Diablo-D3> because people are retarded and I dont know why the fuck they do that
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1186 2011-05-31 14:06:26 <jaromil> jrmithdobbs: i'm at work... however i've answered you. lets see what others think
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1190 2011-05-31 14:08:34 <pwrcycle> anyone running 119.224.26.142 connected to pool.cloakvpn.com ?
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1193 2011-05-31 14:10:42 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rea48e9b / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Updated --url handling to support @ in username, use \\@ or +++++ - http://bit.ly/jcvc72
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1210 2011-05-31 14:38:46 <edcba> so many dumb ppl are commenting on bitcoin !
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1216 2011-05-31 14:42:34 <Betablocker> some link avaible for high performance server setup for generating coins ?
1217 2011-05-31 14:42:39 <edcba> ie http://www.colorfulwolf.com/blog/2011/05/31/resources-are-being-utterly-and-completely-wasted-on-mining-bitcoins/
1218 2011-05-31 14:43:06 <edcba> i doubt the server changes a lot for perfs
1219 2011-05-31 14:44:01 <Namegduf> He's just mad he didn't get $800 of BTC.
1220 2011-05-31 14:44:31 <pwrcycle> whoever's running 119.224.26.142 you need to re-register
1221 2011-05-31 14:44:38 <pwrcycle> for pool.cloakvpn.com
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1226 2011-05-31 14:45:24 <Betablocker> have 6 cores 12 threads 24 gb ram but no big graphic cards .. machine is on 15 - 20 % with gbit net
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1228 2011-05-31 14:45:47 <Kiba> edcba: I used that as an opportunity to promote my magazine
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1230 2011-05-31 14:46:01 <Betablocker> saw that graphic cards are in the setups for generating this means that server ist not good or something ?
1231 2011-05-31 14:46:14 <marcin_> Hello. Is here anybody responsible for http://www.weusecoins.com/mining-guide.php ?! Nearly all links are not working.
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1234 2011-05-31 14:47:28 <phantomcircuit> edcba, nothing more than someone who doesn't undersand marginal revenue
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1236 2011-05-31 14:50:44 <TD> marcin_: it's because the wiki is temporarily down
1237 2011-05-31 14:50:47 <TD> maybe it was attacked
1238 2011-05-31 14:51:01 <TD> marcin_: hopefully the wiki will be back up soon
1239 2011-05-31 14:51:36 <marcin_> OK, thank you for the information.
1240 2011-05-31 14:51:49 <marcin_> Btw: Great project!
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1242 2011-05-31 14:52:25 <devn> /go 4cloj
1243 2011-05-31 14:52:47 <edcba> Betablocker: yes GPUs are lot more efficient than CPU for that kind of tasks
1244 2011-05-31 14:53:17 <Betablocker> humpf
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1246 2011-05-31 14:53:27 <pippin> hm, if a transaction is made while the client has 0 connections, is it smart enough to sync correctly when it later is shut down, brought up again and gets connected to the network?
1247 2011-05-31 14:53:29 <Betablocker> so need colocation with own hardware at isp
1248 2011-05-31 14:54:13 <pippin> maybe not, since I the log contains this: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 8aa89b3092 mapTransactions prev not found b3a5d9bcfb\n ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed 8aa89b3092
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1255 2011-05-31 15:01:29 <UukGoblin> hrm... I wonder...
1256 2011-05-31 15:01:52 <UukGoblin> when txfees > generation input... won't it be more profitable to start mining only after some time has elapsed from the previous block?
1257 2011-05-31 15:02:06 * Diablo-D3 prods UukGoblin
1258 2011-05-31 15:02:08 <UukGoblin> to get more fees?
1259 2011-05-31 15:02:17 <diki> afaik, every pool out there has aquired a large number of users
1260 2011-05-31 15:02:29 <UukGoblin> diki, I'm talking about solo really
1261 2011-05-31 15:02:35 <diki> meaning that every pool for now has a 99% chance of reaching quite the ghash/s
1262 2011-05-31 15:02:50 <UukGoblin> that might be applicable to pools too though
1263 2011-05-31 15:02:51 <diki> Uuk:this was offtopic
1264 2011-05-31 15:02:54 <UukGoblin> ah.
1265 2011-05-31 15:03:16 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: you said you wanted a new feature
1266 2011-05-31 15:03:19 <Diablo-D3> you never said what it was
1267 2011-05-31 15:03:43 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, ah. To restart the chips that failed in miner.
1268 2011-05-31 15:04:05 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, i.e. when a chip stops mining for some time, recompile the kernel and start it over again and whatnot (and report it)
1269 2011-05-31 15:04:14 <Diablo-D3> I used to have that
1270 2011-05-31 15:04:21 <Diablo-D3> it usually causes the entire box to lockup
1271 2011-05-31 15:04:31 <UukGoblin> yeah that was the case with 5970s
1272 2011-05-31 15:04:35 <Diablo-D3> and its clearly a driver bug
1273 2011-05-31 15:04:42 <UukGoblin> but 6990s and newer drivers don't lock up the box anymore
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1275 2011-05-31 15:05:22 <UukGoblin> well the drivers are probably trying to protect a chip from a dangerous condition, but they should also tell WHAT the condition is
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1277 2011-05-31 15:05:29 <UukGoblin> (i.e. underpower, overheat, or what)
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1279 2011-05-31 15:05:39 <Diablo-D3> yes, which is STILL a driver bug
1280 2011-05-31 15:05:47 <UukGoblin> yes, no argument there
1281 2011-05-31 15:05:57 <UukGoblin> I just want (maybe) a workaround feature
1282 2011-05-31 15:06:15 <UukGoblin> but it's not urgent, I can restart the whole miner manually just as well
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1284 2011-05-31 15:07:19 <Diablo-D3> problem is, it only seems to happen on 5970/6990 often
1285 2011-05-31 15:07:40 <Diablo-D3> it never happens on single gpu, and multiple gpu extremely rarely
1286 2011-05-31 15:08:14 <x5x> lol hacker news is so anti btc biased
1287 2011-05-31 15:08:22 <Diablo-D3> yes, yes it is
1288 2011-05-31 15:08:39 <x5x> every pro or neturel btc article gets totally downweighted or hwoever they mod it
1289 2011-05-31 15:09:10 <x5x> bunch of idiots
1290 2011-05-31 15:09:21 <diki> slush=502 Bad Gateway
1291 2011-05-31 15:09:27 <diki> any info?
1292 2011-05-31 15:11:27 <UukGoblin> hrm, more and more power endlessly is a valid problem bitcoin has, imho
1293 2011-05-31 15:11:38 <UukGoblin> geez, look at my grammar!
1294 2011-05-31 15:12:06 JSharp has joined
1295 2011-05-31 15:12:32 <UukGoblin> "imho, consuming endlessly more and more power is one of the bitcoin's problems"
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1297 2011-05-31 15:13:06 <Diablo-D3> MOAR POAWAR
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1299 2011-05-31 15:13:44 <UukGoblin> I can imagine an old granny complaining her light flickers because some illegal immigrant has a mining rig upstairs
1300 2011-05-31 15:13:51 <Diablo-D3> lol
1301 2011-05-31 15:14:40 <x5x> ololol
1302 2011-05-31 15:15:00 <x5x> terrorist miner
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1304 2011-05-31 15:15:48 <UukGoblin> another problem I can see is the 1MB limit on the block size.
1305 2011-05-31 15:16:04 <UukGoblin> it's... pretty arbitrary
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1307 2011-05-31 15:16:12 <UukGoblin> too high today, too low tomorrow
1308 2011-05-31 15:16:27 <x5x> is 1mb a hard limit in the client ?
1309 2011-05-31 15:16:32 <x5x> or can miners chose to allow bigger ones ?
1310 2011-05-31 15:16:42 <UukGoblin> clients refuse blocks bigger than 1mb
1311 2011-05-31 15:16:47 <x5x> ah damn
1312 2011-05-31 15:16:51 <UukGoblin> (to the best of my knowledge)
1313 2011-05-31 15:16:59 <x5x> how many tx can be shoved into 1mb
1314 2011-05-31 15:17:20 <UukGoblin> assuming one is roughly 500 bytes then about 2000 :-]
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1316 2011-05-31 15:17:58 <x5x> 2000 per 10 min
1317 2011-05-31 15:18:10 <UukGoblin> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability <- it's addressed here in a way
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1321 2011-05-31 15:20:21 <diki> wiki is down too
1322 2011-05-31 15:20:38 <x5x> so theyre saying theyll just change the 1mb limit eventually
1323 2011-05-31 15:20:46 <diki> more info about this limit?
1324 2011-05-31 15:20:50 <diki> how does it affect mining?
1325 2011-05-31 15:21:07 <UukGoblin> x5x, yeah, which seems pretty hard to me unless you get the WHOLE network to upgrade
1326 2011-05-31 15:21:17 <UukGoblin> and if you lift the limit, how much should you go?
1327 2011-05-31 15:21:25 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: are the 1.x and 2.x assuan libs mutually exclusive api-wise? not a situation where could just target the 1.x api and it'd work with 2.x?
1328 2011-05-31 15:21:33 <UukGoblin> currently shoving 1MB of data in a block by malicious miners would already be quite problematic
1329 2011-05-31 15:21:51 <edcba> "owever, the security of the network will increase not only with the amount of mining done, but also with the type of mining done - a more specialized mining economy, with GPUs and supercomputers, is more robust. "
1330 2011-05-31 15:22:05 <edcba> Kiba: how more supercomputer make it more robust ?
1331 2011-05-31 15:22:08 <jandd> I try to build bitcoin-remote-rpc-20110227 from source but building fails (http://pastebin.com/ECA4UiLB) which g++/wxWidgets versions should be used?
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1333 2011-05-31 15:22:14 <edcba> seems the other way for me
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1335 2011-05-31 15:22:36 <edcba> more supercomputers = spof
1336 2011-05-31 15:22:55 <jrmithdobbs> edcba: less chance to cheat and do Bad Things(tm) with the difficulty bumped up like that causes
1337 2011-05-31 15:22:58 <jandd> I'm using a Debian amd64 testing/unstable machine
1338 2011-05-31 15:23:00 <jrmithdobbs> is the general thought behind the comment i think
1339 2011-05-31 15:23:34 <edcba> yes but if you have 3 supercomputers doing 80% of work...
1340 2011-05-31 15:23:57 <tcatm> static wiki mirror: http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin-wiki/wiki/Main_Page.html
1341 2011-05-31 15:23:57 <x5x> i agree, i feel like if there was some sort of problem to sovle that couldnt be sped up by gpus
1342 2011-05-31 15:24:05 <x5x> that would make things a lot better
1343 2011-05-31 15:24:24 <x5x> but im guessing find a problem lke that that is as thoroughly hardened as sha would be impossible
1344 2011-05-31 15:25:07 <jrmithdobbs> x5x: not to mention that the next advance in tech is just going to make said effort wasted
1345 2011-05-31 15:25:17 <jrmithdobbs> that's why it does the sliding scale thing to begin with
1346 2011-05-31 15:25:20 <da2ce7> tcatm, the downtime b4, was that from a ddos?
1347 2011-05-31 15:25:48 <cornfeed> i am not impressed enough with bitcoincalulator. i think there should be another one that calculates projected difficulties for the following month
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1350 2011-05-31 15:25:50 <x5x> jrmithdobbs, yea that type of problem prboly doesnt even exist
1351 2011-05-31 15:25:51 <tcatm> da2ce7: on charts? nope
1352 2011-05-31 15:26:00 <jrmithdobbs> x5x: exactly
1353 2011-05-31 15:26:07 <x5x> but if it did...
1354 2011-05-31 15:26:20 <x5x> youd have an enormous diversity of miners
1355 2011-05-31 15:26:23 <jandd> is my question (regarding a miner) appropriate here or should I better ask in #bitcoin-mining?
1356 2011-05-31 15:26:34 <jaromil> jrmithdobbs: i think it is possible to support them both, with autotools maybe even detect their version
1357 2011-05-31 15:26:51 <jaromil> jrmithdobbs: yet i'm not going to do it if there is no interest in pulling the merge
1358 2011-05-31 15:26:51 <cornfeed> jandd: depends on what caliber of response you want ;)
1359 2011-05-31 15:26:51 <x5x> but the way it is now is probly good enogugh
1360 2011-05-31 15:26:53 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Chris Howie * rfd8abf..2808da mining-proxy/htdocs/ (common.inc.php index.php): (6 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3e4wm38
1361 2011-05-31 15:27:13 <jaromil> jrmithdobbs: which is a pity since i also need the feature and i think makes bitcoin overall more user friendly and secure...
1362 2011-05-31 15:27:43 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: ya and the fun possibilities it opens up in other areas with a little bit of work are worth the effort imho
1363 2011-05-31 15:27:44 <jaromil> jrmithdobbs: lets see what others say about Pinentry/ASSUAN. if there is clear consensus i can fix the debian issue
1364 2011-05-31 15:28:12 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: i think it's def worth pursuing but my opinion doesn't count for much ;P
1365 2011-05-31 15:28:22 <jaromil> i'm still waiting for a merge of autotools.... yawn
1366 2011-05-31 15:28:43 <jrmithdobbs> aye, think the earliest that's going in is .4 :(
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1368 2011-05-31 15:29:08 <jandd> cornfeed: :-) I expected an answer about a miner's build dependencies
1369 2011-05-31 15:30:05 <cornfeed> jandd: whats the ?
1370 2011-05-31 15:30:16 <cornfeed> oh i see it
1371 2011-05-31 15:30:24 <cornfeed> i would go to mining for that
1372 2011-05-31 15:30:30 <jandd> ok
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1374 2011-05-31 15:30:43 <cornfeed> also, i think i would use Pheonix
1375 2011-05-31 15:30:47 <cornfeed> Phoenix*
1376 2011-05-31 15:30:53 <cornfeed> imo
1377 2011-05-31 15:31:03 <jrmithdobbs> jandd: guessing wx 2.9
1378 2011-05-31 15:31:11 <jrmithdobbs> jandd: but you probably just want to use a different miner
1379 2011-05-31 15:31:55 <diki> i noticed i get better results with phoenix
1380 2011-05-31 15:32:02 <diki> with fastloop=false
1381 2011-05-31 15:32:05 <jandd> ok, I'll stay with phoenix then
1382 2011-05-31 15:32:37 <diki> My fan is now at 88% and i can feel it's wearing out
1383 2011-05-31 15:32:46 <diki> there's this buzzing sound coming from it
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1386 2011-05-31 15:41:12 <pippin> would plenty of clients hanging out in the irc-seeding channel, that are trying to connect but as of yet do not have a proper connection with the network; effectively act as a DOS attack, making it hard to join the network?
1387 2011-05-31 15:41:26 <jrmithdobbs> yes
1388 2011-05-31 15:41:38 <jrmithdobbs> irc bootstrap is godawful
1389 2011-05-31 15:41:38 <eps1> ;;bc,mtgox
1390 2011-05-31 15:41:39 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.4998,"low":8.5115,"vol":34054,"buy":9.205,"sell":9.2998,"last":9.205}}
1391 2011-05-31 15:41:47 * pippin wonders if that is the reason he is unable to bootstrap himself into the network then :/
1392 2011-05-31 15:42:13 <jrmithdobbs> pippin: especially when combined with the fact that connect() never times out so if the first peer you hit is a bad one dropping icmp you get to wait 30+ minutes before it tries again
1393 2011-05-31 15:42:36 <jrmithdobbs> (on some systems, it will NEVER try again)
1394 2011-05-31 15:43:00 <pippin> I have tried restarting the client a couple of times as well, sometimes I get 1 connection,. that do not give me new blocks, and then the number of connections fall down to 0
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1396 2011-05-31 15:44:29 <Shrat> My bitcoin client is looking for libpng 1.2
1397 2011-05-31 15:44:46 <BlueMatt> Shrat: switch to 0.3.22 rc5
1398 2011-05-31 15:44:46 <Shrat> I have an higher version, I don't understand what's wrong
1399 2011-05-31 15:45:11 <Shrat> ok I'm checking thanks
1400 2011-05-31 15:45:22 <BlueMatt> libpng has changed, and since wx was built with libpng support, it depends on exactly version 1.2
1401 2011-05-31 15:45:35 <BlueMatt> but with 0.3.22 wx is built without libpng so it should work
1402 2011-05-31 15:45:47 <Shrat> ok great
1403 2011-05-31 15:46:06 <Shrat> I'm sure libpng isn't a very nice depedency to have
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1405 2011-05-31 15:46:32 <BlueMatt> well we dont use it so...
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1413 2011-05-31 15:59:59 <jrmithdobbs> where's the code that handles txns from p2p network that are in an unseen block? (aka, gets put into MemoryPool) I can't find it right now ;P
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1416 2011-05-31 16:01:23 <BlueMatt> what do you want?
1417 2011-05-31 16:01:31 <BlueMatt> you mean AcceptToMemoryPool()?
1418 2011-05-31 16:02:00 <jrmithdobbs> think so, found it
1419 2011-05-31 16:02:28 <jrmithdobbs> trying to find something i was talking to tcatm about the other day and google apparently doesn't have the irc logs indexed ;P
1420 2011-05-31 16:03:08 <Shrat> damn I have wxWidgets 2.8⦠anyway, I'll wait for 2.9 to go in stable in my distro. Thanks
1421 2011-05-31 16:03:34 <jrmithdobbs> Shrat: never will 2.9 is a dev branch and shouldn't ever have been being used
1422 2011-05-31 16:03:43 <jrmithdobbs> (thanks satoshi!)
1423 2011-05-31 16:04:14 <Shrat> all rightâ¦
1424 2011-05-31 16:04:16 <jrmithdobbs> Shrat: i think bluematt has backport to 2.8 mostly done don't know eta on when it's going to hit master branch or a release though
1425 2011-05-31 16:05:02 <BlueMatt> it works fine
1426 2011-05-31 16:05:07 <Shrat> ok ok np, I'll wait
1427 2011-05-31 16:05:19 <BlueMatt> afaik no one else has really looked through it, put its in pull req so Im happy enough with it
1428 2011-05-31 16:05:37 <jrmithdobbs> i don't build the gui so dunno
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1432 2011-05-31 16:06:55 <pwrcycle> are bitcoing address all the same length?
1433 2011-05-31 16:07:14 <BlueMatt> no
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1435 2011-05-31 16:07:34 <pwrcycle> BlueMatt: min/max?
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1437 2011-05-31 16:07:38 <BlueMatt> of variable length though I dont remember the numbers
1438 2011-05-31 16:09:11 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: you happen to know why the replace txn code is short circuited right now?
1439 2011-05-31 16:09:25 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: where?
1440 2011-05-31 16:09:26 <jrmithdobbs> seems like re-enabling that would fix issues where people didn't sende nough fee and want to correct that
1441 2011-05-31 16:09:33 <Marcel> HSD!~Marcel|HS@router2.hsdev.com|pwrcycle, iirc 25-34 (normal) and 26-34 (testnet)
1442 2011-05-31 16:10:04 <ZOP> i honestly haven't looked closely there, but it looks like they're a bas64 encoded representation of the public key?
1443 2011-05-31 16:10:07 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: AcceptToMemoryPool line ~700 of main.cpp
1444 2011-05-31 16:10:10 <ZOP> (bitcoin addresses)
1445 2011-05-31 16:10:47 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: yes, but where is it short circuited?
1446 2011-05-31 16:10:54 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: line 700
1447 2011-05-31 16:11:19 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: there's a return false; before it gets to that logic inside the if stanza that would trigger it
1448 2011-05-31 16:11:25 <BlueMatt> yea, 1 sec...
1449 2011-05-31 16:11:50 <jrmithdobbs> all it says is "// Disable replacement feature for now"
1450 2011-05-31 16:11:58 <jrmithdobbs> with no justification/reasoning
1451 2011-05-31 16:12:14 <BlueMatt> oh, replacement...hm, not sure why its disabled...though is it fully implemented/thought through/secure atm?
1452 2011-05-31 16:12:26 <jrmithdobbs> no idea, had no idea it was there
1453 2011-05-31 16:12:33 <jrmithdobbs> just stumbled on it looking for something else
1454 2011-05-31 16:12:33 <BlueMatt> neither did I
1455 2011-05-31 16:12:41 <jrmithdobbs> code looks right to me at first glance
1456 2011-05-31 16:13:01 <jrmithdobbs> (except the opening return false, obviously)
1457 2011-05-31 16:13:02 <jrmithdobbs> ha
1458 2011-05-31 16:13:15 <BlueMatt> meh, code looks ok...but there is nothing in the rest of the client to take advantage of it, so my guess is someone wanted to implement it via gui/rpc before that is enabled
1459 2011-05-31 16:13:28 <BlueMatt> 1st tx should be more correct than newest
1460 2011-05-31 16:13:57 <jrmithdobbs> well no clients can try to implement it until that piece of code is turned on
1461 2011-05-31 16:14:01 <BlueMatt> though imo we shouldnt blindly accept newer txes...we should only accept newer txes if they have the same (-0/1) output
1462 2011-05-31 16:14:03 <BlueMatt> and more fee
1463 2011-05-31 16:14:06 <jrmithdobbs> so kind of counterproductive being turned off, heh
1464 2011-05-31 16:14:12 <diki> Is it possible current miners to be optimized for even more hashing power without OCing?
1465 2011-05-31 16:14:23 <BlueMatt> diki: not really
1466 2011-05-31 16:14:32 <jrmithdobbs> diki: sure try cut and pasting some code around
1467 2011-05-31 16:14:38 <jrmithdobbs> you'll get something going
1468 2011-05-31 16:15:04 <diki> jrmith, i feel like you are jealous
1469 2011-05-31 16:15:13 <diki> no need to be though
1470 2011-05-31 16:15:21 <jrmithdobbs> so jealous
1471 2011-05-31 16:15:41 <diki> well seeing as how you do NOTHING
1472 2011-05-31 16:15:50 <diki> i feel sorry for ya
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1475 2011-05-31 16:15:57 <diki> pitiful indeed
1476 2011-05-31 16:16:04 <jrmithdobbs> woe is me
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1478 2011-05-31 16:16:41 <mtrlt> diki: well i optimized poclbm and diablominer +0.5% :p
1479 2011-05-31 16:16:52 <mtrlt> so if you can think up an optimization, yes. otherwise, no.
1480 2011-05-31 16:16:53 <diki> has junk eh?
1481 2011-05-31 16:17:13 <diki> I remember when i opened my PC i removed so much junk i didnt need
1482 2011-05-31 16:17:26 <mtrlt> well, calculations that are done in a roundabout way
1483 2011-05-31 16:17:40 <mtrlt> and there were some calculations that didn't need to be done in the GPU at all.
1484 2011-05-31 16:17:51 * diki goes thru source of poclbm
1485 2011-05-31 16:17:53 <mtrlt> they could be done once by the CPU instead of a billion times in the GPU :p
1486 2011-05-31 16:18:20 <diki> You know, you could try phoenix
1487 2011-05-31 16:18:30 <mtrlt> i've tried
1488 2011-05-31 16:18:34 <diki> i am using it now with FASTLOOP=false and it's faster
1489 2011-05-31 16:18:37 <mtrlt> on the 6990s it is a lot slower
1490 2011-05-31 16:18:45 <diki> gained an additional 7-8 mhash/s with it
1491 2011-05-31 16:18:48 <mtrlt> but on this 5850 phatk is the fastest still
1492 2011-05-31 16:18:58 <diki> yup phatk kernel
1493 2011-05-31 16:19:29 <diki> although i did promise not to OC the card i did, plus the phatk kernel's extra hashing power
1494 2011-05-31 16:19:37 <diki> i get 290Mhash/s instead of ~274
1495 2011-05-31 16:20:44 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: holy alpaca pee arrived, it seems. one more -rc, containing the fixes, then release.
1496 2011-05-31 16:21:04 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sounds good to me...let upload 1 sec...
1497 2011-05-31 16:21:30 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: eh?
1498 2011-05-31 16:21:35 <jgarzik> "let upload"?
1499 2011-05-31 16:21:46 <BlueMatt> sorry, let me upload so I can send to you
1500 2011-05-31 16:22:05 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: you know why txn replacing is short circuited on line 700 of main.cpp?
1501 2011-05-31 16:22:14 <BlueMatt> oh, have to build win32...gonna be a minute
1502 2011-05-31 16:22:50 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: -rc6 not yet tagged or uploadedon this side
1503 2011-05-31 16:22:57 <Diablo-D3> mtrlt: which I cant reproduce
1504 2011-05-31 16:23:03 <Diablo-D3> phatk is always slower
1505 2011-05-31 16:23:04 <diki> bluematt you found the link for the symbian patch?
1506 2011-05-31 16:23:05 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: well Im assuming its head so...
1507 2011-05-31 16:23:08 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: it's not an easy issue
1508 2011-05-31 16:23:11 <BlueMatt> diki: nope, never did
1509 2011-05-31 16:23:18 <mtrlt> Diablo-D3: tried 2.4?
1510 2011-05-31 16:23:19 <ZOP> BlueMatt: I never did get to the bottom of that one windows bitcoin client i have sort of locking up and not processing transactions, the other windows machine I have isn't doing it though. *shrugs* ran out of time to invest on it, and it's probably something with this stupid machine anyway. If I ever do find the actual problem I'll be sure to letcha guys know heh.
1511 2011-05-31 16:23:31 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: _probably_ it is, gimme a sec :)
1512 2011-05-31 16:23:35 <Diablo-D3> mtrlt: yes, I was trying on 2.4
1513 2011-05-31 16:23:41 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: aye, i figure it's something along those lines, i'm wondering if anyone has the background on why the existing implementation is disabled?
1514 2011-05-31 16:23:41 <Diablo-D3> phatk does nothing on 2.1
1515 2011-05-31 16:23:43 <mtrlt> hmf
1516 2011-05-31 16:23:45 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ok then, I can wait
1517 2011-05-31 16:23:46 <mtrlt> ah yea
1518 2011-05-31 16:23:47 <mtrlt> true
1519 2011-05-31 16:23:54 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: comments just say "disable for now"
1520 2011-05-31 16:23:59 <diki> what is the current changelog for .22?
1521 2011-05-31 16:24:01 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: satoshi posted reasoning on forum
1522 2011-05-31 16:24:11 <jgarzik> diki: git log --no-merges v0.3.21..
1523 2011-05-31 16:24:17 <jgarzik> diki: git shortlog --no-merges v0.3.21..
1524 2011-05-31 16:24:22 <BlueMatt> ZOP: ok, fair enough
1525 2011-05-31 16:25:01 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: can you do https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/281 real quick? It's a translation...
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1527 2011-05-31 16:26:06 <BlueMatt> ok, 1 sec
1528 2011-05-31 16:26:09 <ZOP> i may have just accidentally solved it though.....
1529 2011-05-31 16:26:12 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: know where? I can't find it
1530 2011-05-31 16:26:18 <diki> why are no tabs allowed in bitcoin?
1531 2011-05-31 16:26:25 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: search for nlocktime maybe
1532 2011-05-31 16:26:30 <ZOP> oh nevermind it just died again
1533 2011-05-31 16:26:42 <ZOP> i thought maybe restoring a backup-ed copy of the wallet solved it for the machine for a second there lol
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1535 2011-05-31 16:27:07 <sipa> hi
1536 2011-05-31 16:27:15 <ZOP> but that rules out any of the data since my laptop is churning through everything just fine hah.
1537 2011-05-31 16:27:37 <diki> jgarzik:i tried binding one more parameter to the shares table query, but it does not work. It compiles, just nothing is inserted. Anything i should know that can help fix the problem?
1538 2011-05-31 16:28:01 <diki> when i say nothing is inserted i mean in the extra column, otherwise shares go in as usual
1539 2011-05-31 16:28:11 <BlueMatt> sipa: hey, looks like 0.3.22 is ACK'd...gonna pull the last translation fix and mark it rc6 then wait a couple days and mark it final
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1542 2011-05-31 16:31:07 <sipa> BlueMatt: ok, nice :)
1543 2011-05-31 16:31:41 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: you can pull as-is, msgfmt on my end results in no diffs on the binary file from what he posted
1544 2011-05-31 16:32:12 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: thanks
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1547 2011-05-31 16:37:33 <diki> can someone tell me more about blkmond?
1548 2011-05-31 16:37:39 <diki> it connects but....
1549 2011-05-31 16:37:47 <diki> it displays some random data on the console
1550 2011-05-31 16:37:48 <jrmithdobbs> tell you what
1551 2011-05-31 16:37:52 <diki> faster than the eye can see
1552 2011-05-31 16:37:53 <jrmithdobbs> not random
1553 2011-05-31 16:37:57 <jrmithdobbs> and not true
1554 2011-05-31 16:38:11 <diki> if it doesnt save the data anywhere how does it help?
1555 2011-05-31 16:38:30 <jrmithdobbs> so make it save it
1556 2011-05-31 16:38:33 Nicksasa is now known as Sleep!~Nicksasa@178-117-211-223.access.telenet.be|Nicksasa
1557 2011-05-31 16:38:37 <sipa> you're supposed to take pictures of it
1558 2011-05-31 16:38:39 <jrmithdobbs> man bash; search for 'redirection'
1559 2011-05-31 16:38:41 <sipa> or redirect it to a file
1560 2011-05-31 16:38:45 <jrmithdobbs> and stop being stupid
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1563 2011-05-31 16:39:14 <diki> okay but what does it do?
1564 2011-05-31 16:39:23 <diki> blk mond stands for block monitor
1565 2011-05-31 16:39:31 <diki> but what does it monitor in the blocks?
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1571 2011-05-31 16:44:51 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: it cannot be merged without redoing the commit (git tries a binary merge, which can get nasty)
1572 2011-05-31 16:44:58 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I'll tag -rc6 as is
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1574 2011-05-31 16:45:30 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: or just checkout the files from his branch
1575 2011-05-31 16:45:49 <BlueMatt> and commit --author=the guy's original commit author
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1579 2011-05-31 16:48:19 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: Not a big deal. I want to get this train rolling, headed towards the 0.3.22 station. -rc6 tagged, and source uploaded to https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.22/test/
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1581 2011-05-31 16:48:44 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ok, Ill have win32 builds emailed within the hour
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1583 2011-05-31 16:49:41 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: thanks. and linux?
1584 2011-05-31 16:50:03 <BlueMatt> that is already built :)
1585 2011-05-31 16:50:21 <sipa> i'll start my gitian build in an hour
1586 2011-05-31 16:50:38 <jgarzik> awesome
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1588 2011-05-31 16:50:52 <BlueMatt> sipa: see https://github.com/devrandom/bitcoin-release/blob/master/docs/build.sh for relevant stuff to 0.3.22
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1591 2011-05-31 16:53:02 <BlueMatt> why does BCBot keep dying, a ton of stuff is getting missed in the logs
1592 2011-05-31 16:56:08 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r12ea1b8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Re-add worksize hint, clear buffers on start - http://bit.ly/khy4tF
1593 2011-05-31 16:56:24 <kika_> im wondering why bitcoin sha256 two times
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1595 2011-05-31 16:56:59 <kika_> i saw jgarzik cpu miner and it sha25 two times, first it sha256 data using midstate and then using sha256_init_state, wondering why not just a sha256 ?
1596 2011-05-31 16:57:05 <kika_> sha6( data )
1597 2011-05-31 16:57:12 <kika_> share256( data )
1598 2011-05-31 16:57:18 <kika_> *sha256(data)
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1601 2011-05-31 16:57:44 <rawfodog> Hi
1602 2011-05-31 16:57:58 <rawfodog> I was wondering if anyone was working on a bitcoin client for custom firmware playstation 3's ?
1603 2011-05-31 16:58:02 <sipa> kika_: security concerns, i suppose
1604 2011-05-31 16:58:08 <rawfodog> There is a dev kit called psl1ght
1605 2011-05-31 16:58:08 <sipa> rawfodog: client or miner?
1606 2011-05-31 16:58:12 <rawfodog> miner
1607 2011-05-31 16:58:20 <jrmithdobbs> why bother
1608 2011-05-31 16:58:37 <rawfodog> I wouldn't mind leaving my ps3 on while I'm out of the house etc. Plus it would be neet to ps3 cluster it too
1609 2011-05-31 16:58:45 <kika_> sipa: security ?
1610 2011-05-31 16:58:47 <sipa> it's not particularly fast - there are forum threads about its estimated mining speed
1611 2011-05-31 16:58:52 <rawfodog> (ps3s are so cheap these days, used 75-100$)
1612 2011-05-31 16:58:53 <jrmithdobbs> you'd need so many ps3s to get a decent hash/s rate that it's not worth it
1613 2011-05-31 16:58:54 <diki> kika: did you get your pool working?
1614 2011-05-31 16:59:01 <kika_> diki: yes
1615 2011-05-31 16:59:06 <diki> link?
1616 2011-05-31 16:59:07 <rawfodog> ok I didnt know that
1617 2011-05-31 16:59:10 <sipa> kika_: if an attack is found against sha256, it's not nnecessarily usable again double sha256
1618 2011-05-31 16:59:17 <sipa> *against
1619 2011-05-31 16:59:17 <kika_> diki: it was just an experiment, i didnt publish it
1620 2011-05-31 16:59:26 <diki> what was your result?
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1622 2011-05-31 16:59:44 <kika_> sipa: so why it first initializes sha256 with midstate and then using sha256initstate?
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1624 2011-05-31 17:00:04 <kika_> diki: its cool :)
1625 2011-05-31 17:00:24 <Grady2000> hey guys if my client shows a recevied transaction as unconfirmed, what are the chances that it can be reversed by the sender? Should I consider that transaction valid?
1626 2011-05-31 17:00:28 <diki> i am already writing the front-end just need to figure out what blkmond's purpose is
1627 2011-05-31 17:00:49 <kika_> diki: it just listens for blocks on the network and notifies pushpoold when a block becomes invalid
1628 2011-05-31 17:00:58 <sipa> Grady2000: if you trust the sender to to attempt a double-spend attack
1629 2011-05-31 17:01:01 <diki> never noticed it doing that
1630 2011-05-31 17:01:08 <diki> what port do i have to set it at?
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1633 2011-05-31 17:01:17 <diki> 8337 or leave it at 8333?
1634 2011-05-31 17:01:21 <kika_> diki: i dont remember
1635 2011-05-31 17:01:26 <mtrlt> kika_: the hash is sha256(sha256(blockheader)), the midstate is the sha-256 internal state after hashing the first 64 bytes of the header.
1636 2011-05-31 17:01:37 <sipa> kika_: sha256 works per 64-byte block, so sha256(sha256(blockheader)) is actually a sequence of 3 sha256 block hashings
1637 2011-05-31 17:01:37 <kika_> dike: oh you mean for bitcoin 8333
1638 2011-05-31 17:01:55 <mtrlt> so that leaves the miner to do the second part, and then hash the hash.
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1640 2011-05-31 17:02:09 <diki> bitcoind runs at 8332 and puhspool at 8337
1641 2011-05-31 17:02:10 <sipa> first the first 64 bytes of the header, then the nexct 16 bytes of the header, then the 32 output bytes of the first staep
1642 2011-05-31 17:02:15 <diki> 8333 is unused
1643 2011-05-31 17:02:33 <jrmithdobbs> so
1644 2011-05-31 17:02:52 <jrmithdobbs> diki: 8333 is the p2p port for bitcoind
1645 2011-05-31 17:03:06 <jrmithdobbs> blkmond monitors p2p network traffic. it does not make rpc calls
1646 2011-05-31 17:03:21 <jrmithdobbs> anyways
1647 2011-05-31 17:03:34 <kika_> sipa: so basically the miners... get the midstate from bitcoind getwork rpc calls and get data
1648 2011-05-31 17:03:55 <jrmithdobbs> so, right now, what would happen if someone were to spam out a bunch of txns referencing a previous non-existant txn that will *never exist* ?
1649 2011-05-31 17:04:21 <kika_> jrmithdobbs: no one would accept those txs as valid?
1650 2011-05-31 17:04:33 <sipa> kika_: yes, it's basically an optimization that's not even used anymore
1651 2011-05-31 17:04:36 <jrmithdobbs> kika_: that's not what the code looks like
1652 2011-05-31 17:04:37 <sipa> afaik
1653 2011-05-31 17:04:54 <sipa> thosde would be cached as orphan txs
1654 2011-05-31 17:04:58 <jrmithdobbs> it looks like it could sit around in the orphantransaction data store indefinitely
1655 2011-05-31 17:05:11 <sipa> they're not stored to disk, btw
1656 2011-05-31 17:05:15 <jrmithdobbs> and would only ever get cleared out if the parent was found
1657 2011-05-31 17:06:04 <jrmithdobbs> do orphans get forwarded to the rest of the network?
1658 2011-05-31 17:06:11 <kika_> jrmithdobbs: orphaned txs might have a expire time i think
1659 2011-05-31 17:06:19 <jrmithdobbs> that's the part i'm having problem tracking down right now
1660 2011-05-31 17:06:26 <jrmithdobbs> kika_: if they do i can't find the code doing the cleanup
1661 2011-05-31 17:06:37 <kika_> jrmithdobbs: lool
1662 2011-05-31 17:06:39 <sipa> i'm not sure there is
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1664 2011-05-31 17:06:55 <kika_> jrmithdobbs: look at the procotol specification for txs?
1665 2011-05-31 17:07:09 <sipa> expire times aren't used
1666 2011-05-31 17:07:21 <sipa> or locktimes
1667 2011-05-31 17:07:24 <jrmithdobbs> kika_: that's my next stop as soon as i figure out if orphaned txns are getting forwarded to other nodes
1668 2011-05-31 17:07:29 <jrmithdobbs> because this could get nasty
1669 2011-05-31 17:08:01 <kika_> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:Protocol_specification
1670 2011-05-31 17:08:05 <kika_> You don't have permission to access /wiki/Talk:Protocol_specification on this server.
1671 2011-05-31 17:08:06 <kika_> wtf
1672 2011-05-31 17:08:11 <diki> but then how does it report to pushpool about blocks as kika mentioned
1673 2011-05-31 17:08:18 <jrmithdobbs> ya wiki is all fucked up
1674 2011-05-31 17:08:30 <jrmithdobbs> diki: covered in the documentation
1675 2011-05-31 17:08:49 <kika_> but it was working https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification
1676 2011-05-31 17:09:09 <jrmithdobbs> the whole thing returns a 403 for me atm
1677 2011-05-31 17:09:35 <diki> huh what documentation? pushpool comes as is
1678 2011-05-31 17:09:39 <diki> no documentation no nothing
1679 2011-05-31 17:09:53 <jrmithdobbs> the sample config file explains exactly how this works iirc
1680 2011-05-31 17:09:53 <diki> i can only imagine it was a joke
1681 2011-05-31 17:10:07 <jrmithdobbs> no it was not, this is specifically explained somewhere
1682 2011-05-31 17:10:08 <kika_> jrmithdobbs: i see
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1684 2011-05-31 17:10:47 <kika_> jgarzik cpu miner does
1685 2011-05-31 17:10:48 <kika_> runhash(hash1, data, midstate); runhash(hash, hash1, sha256_init_state);
1686 2011-05-31 17:10:54 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
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1688 2011-05-31 17:10:56 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.4998,"low":8.7,"vol":34121,"buy":9.16,"sell":9.19,"last":9.16}}
1689 2011-05-31 17:10:59 <kika_> here https://github.com/jgarzik/cpuminer/blob/master/sha256_generic.c
1690 2011-05-31 17:11:21 <kika_> wondering why not just sha256(sha256(data)) ?
1691 2011-05-31 17:12:01 <kika_> why it passes midstate and sha256_init_state to sha256_transform
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1693 2011-05-31 17:12:39 <diki> the example blkmond config file has only this in it
1694 2011-05-31 17:12:40 <diki> host=127.0.0.1
1695 2011-05-31 17:12:40 <diki> port=8333
1696 2011-05-31 17:12:40 <diki> pid=/tmp/pushpoold.pid
1697 2011-05-31 17:12:43 <kika_> sha256_transform != sha256 ?
1698 2011-05-31 17:12:47 <diki> nothing more nothing less
1699 2011-05-31 17:13:02 <kika_> dike: yes it expects you to run bitcoind on localhost
1700 2011-05-31 17:13:17 <diki> but i have no idea how it connects to pushpool kika
1701 2011-05-31 17:13:23 <jrmithdobbs> diki: the other sample config file, you know, the part of it that tells it whether you're using blkmond or not
1702 2011-05-31 17:13:40 <jrmithdobbs> seriously, there's like a total of 20 lines of documentation if you can't find it you deserve to understand
1703 2011-05-31 17:13:47 <diki> what??the .json file has nothing even remotely connected to blkmond
1704 2011-05-31 17:13:50 <diki> check for yourself
1705 2011-05-31 17:13:59 <jrmithdobbs> ya it does
1706 2011-05-31 17:14:05 <jrmithdobbs> check for YOURself
1707 2011-05-31 17:14:05 <kika_> i dont think pushpoold allows you to turn on or off blkmond
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1709 2011-05-31 17:14:10 <jrmithdobbs> no
1710 2011-05-31 17:14:32 <jrmithdobbs> # the server assumes longpolling (w/ SIGUSR1 called for each blk)
1711 2011-05-31 17:14:35 <jrmithdobbs> "longpoll.disable" : false,
1712 2011-05-31 17:14:43 <jrmithdobbs> there, there's your damned answer you illiterate fuck
1713 2011-05-31 17:15:02 <diki> where does it say blkmond smartass?
1714 2011-05-31 17:15:13 <diki> did you say anything about long polling?
1715 2011-05-31 17:15:18 <diki> noo, you didnt
1716 2011-05-31 17:15:28 <jrmithdobbs> wtf do you think blkmond is for?
1717 2011-05-31 17:15:29 <kika_> if you turn off longpolling it will just ignore blkmond sigusr1 signals
1718 2011-05-31 17:15:48 <jrmithdobbs> kika_: right, he was asking how blkmond talked to pushpoold ... (via sigusr1)
1719 2011-05-31 17:15:49 <kika_> but that doesnt prevents you to still run blkmond
1720 2011-05-31 17:15:57 <kika_> jrmithdobbs: oh yes
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1723 2011-05-31 17:16:57 <diki> doesnt work for testnet though
1724 2011-05-31 17:17:09 <jrmithdobbs> sure does you just need to fix the port it connects to
1725 2011-05-31 17:17:25 <jrmithdobbs> since testnet runs off 18333 instead of 8333
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1727 2011-05-31 17:17:47 <diki> then an if statement is needed in blkmond
1728 2011-05-31 17:17:50 <diki> i shall try to path it
1729 2011-05-31 17:17:53 <diki> *patch
1730 2011-05-31 17:17:54 <jrmithdobbs> or
1731 2011-05-31 17:18:02 <jrmithdobbs> you could just change the damned config file and not be an idiot
1732 2011-05-31 17:18:21 <jrmithdobbs> there's a reason that port is configurable. this is one of those reasons.
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1735 2011-05-31 17:19:01 <jrmithdobbs> blckmond doesn't care if it's testnet or not, it just needs to know what port to connect to
1736 2011-05-31 17:19:13 <diki> it requires opening it up->editing->saving->starting up blkmond again
1737 2011-05-31 17:19:51 <jrmithdobbs> obviously harder than adding another useless copy&paste patch. my bad.
1738 2011-05-31 17:20:15 <diki> if it works, whether it was copy/paste doesnt fucking matter
1739 2011-05-31 17:20:40 <diki> i dont like to be bothered by silly thing, i want everything to be one-click only
1740 2011-05-31 17:20:44 <jrmithdobbs> because patching the code instead of making use of it's config file that exists so that you don't have to patch the code for retarded corner cases is very smart
1741 2011-05-31 17:20:59 <jrmithdobbs> good luck.
1742 2011-05-31 17:21:52 <diki> you are welcomed to write that patch
1743 2011-05-31 17:21:54 <diki> i dont mind
1744 2011-05-31 17:22:13 <luke-jr> nanotube: fwiw, gribble has bugs :p
1745 2011-05-31 17:22:14 <jrmithdobbs> no patch necessary. just add a 1 in front of the port in the config for you testnet pool
1746 2011-05-31 17:22:34 <diki> it requires opening up the config->editing->saving then restarting blkmond
1747 2011-05-31 17:22:38 <diki> that's a ton of stuff
1748 2011-05-31 17:22:55 <jrmithdobbs> that you have to do once compared to having to re-patch every time you pull from upstream
1749 2011-05-31 17:23:19 <diki> so far jgarzik has not introduced any changes to pushpool
1750 2011-05-31 17:23:23 <diki> so it wont be soon
1751 2011-05-31 17:23:49 <luke-jr> lol
1752 2011-05-31 17:24:08 <jrmithdobbs> not to mention that open/modify/save can be reduced to one step: sed -i.bak 's,8333,18333,' /etc/pushpool/blckmon.cfg;
1753 2011-05-31 17:24:38 <diki> by the time i type that, i'd be in the grave
1754 2011-05-31 17:25:07 <jrmithdobbs> don't worry, it's in your irc buffer so you can cut&paste like your normal coding practices
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1756 2011-05-31 17:25:55 <nanotube> luke-jr: you don't say! :) hehe. do you have any in particular?
1757 2011-05-31 17:25:58 <nanotube> in mind?
1758 2011-05-31 17:26:41 <lior> anyone knows a good service to buy bitcoins with credit card?
1759 2011-05-31 17:27:43 <jgarzik> lior: get rated on bitcoin-otc, then buy via paypal
1760 2011-05-31 17:28:04 <lior> thanks whats bitcoin-otc?
1761 2011-05-31 17:28:30 <sipa> an irc channel for meeting buyers/sellers
1762 2011-05-31 17:28:53 <luke-jr> nanotube: bc,gen and bc,calc are wrong âº
1763 2011-05-31 17:28:54 <lior> + anyone have the api refrance it seems bitcoin.it/wiki is down
1764 2011-05-31 17:29:10 <nanotube> luke-jr: how so?
1765 2011-05-31 17:29:10 <luke-jr> [12:38:38] <mtrlt> proposed fix: replace 2â224-1 with 2â208*65535
1766 2011-05-31 17:29:18 <luke-jr> err, â = **
1767 2011-05-31 17:29:31 <luke-jr> nanotube: difficulty 1 is not 2**224-1 ;)
1768 2011-05-31 17:29:38 <nanotube> close enough.
1769 2011-05-31 17:29:45 <luke-jr> hehe
1770 2011-05-31 17:29:51 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 298000
1771 2011-05-31 17:29:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 298000 Khps, given current difficulty of 434882.7217497 , is 10 weeks, 2 days, 13 hours, 3 minutes, and 28 seconds
1772 2011-05-31 17:30:07 <luke-jr> [13:22:43] <ljrbot> The average time to generate a block at 298000 kH/s, given current difficulty of 434882.7217497 , is 10 weeks, 2 days, 13 hours, 5 minutes, and 4 seconds
1773 2011-05-31 17:30:11 <sipa> ;;bc,gen
1774 2011-05-31 17:30:11 <gribble> (bc,gen <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given current difficulty of [bc,diff], is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
1775 2011-05-31 17:30:48 <sipa> 0.0015% off :)
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1777 2011-05-31 17:30:51 <luke-jr> it's a whole 96 seconds!
1778 2011-05-31 17:31:03 <nanotube> over only 10 weeks, too!
1779 2011-05-31 17:31:09 <jine> ;;bc,calc 30000000
1780 2011-05-31 17:31:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 30000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 434882.7217497 , is 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 40 seconds
1781 2011-05-31 17:31:28 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: headed to lunch. should be back to upload builds in ~1 hour.
1782 2011-05-31 17:31:31 <sipa> BlueMatt: sigs/bitcoin/0.3.22/commit doesn't seem to exist
1783 2011-05-31 17:31:32 <luke-jr> [13:24:08] <ljrbot> The average time to generate a block at 30000000 kH/s, given current difficulty of 434882.7217497 , is 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 41 seconds
1784 2011-05-31 17:31:41 <jine> :( We're been mining for 1 day and 17 hours
1785 2011-05-31 17:31:45 <sipa> BlueMatt: no problem of course, just mentioning
1786 2011-05-31 17:31:50 <jine> at http://www.bitcoins.lc
1787 2011-05-31 17:31:54 <jine> 1.2m blocks
1788 2011-05-31 17:31:57 <jine> err.. shraes*
1789 2011-05-31 17:32:01 <luke-jr> jine: you should give up and join Eligius :D
1790 2011-05-31 17:32:08 <diki> jine it will be soon
1791 2011-05-31 17:32:14 <jine> luke-jr: It's my pool, dumbass :D
1792 2011-05-31 17:32:15 <diki> it usually takes about a million yeah
1793 2011-05-31 17:32:20 <luke-jr> jine: exactly
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1795 2011-05-31 17:32:35 <jine> diki: Our 2 and 3:rd block was 100 and 200k shares.
1796 2011-05-31 17:32:39 <jine> This one takes for evaaaaa
1797 2011-05-31 17:32:39 <BlueMatt> sipa: oh, see what you mean...yea that is broken...
1798 2011-05-31 17:32:46 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ok fair enough, should up done by then
1799 2011-05-31 17:32:53 <luke-jr> jine: it should be 434,822 shares on average :P
1800 2011-05-31 17:33:06 <diki> jine, how many workers?
1801 2011-05-31 17:33:12 <jine> diki: http://www.bitcoins.lc/stats
1802 2011-05-31 17:33:23 <sipa> ;;bc,diff
1803 2011-05-31 17:33:23 <gribble> 434882.7217497
1804 2011-05-31 17:33:35 <diki> do you use pushpool?
1805 2011-05-31 17:33:36 <sipa> ;;bc,hextarget
1806 2011-05-31 17:33:36 <gribble> 0000000000002694210000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1807 2011-05-31 17:34:37 <jine> diki: Yeah
1808 2011-05-31 17:34:46 <jine> ;;bc,help
1809 2011-05-31 17:34:46 <gribble> Alias bc,24hprc, Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btceur, Alias bc,btcgbp, Alias bc,btcguild, Alias bc,btcrub, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,convert, Alias bc,deepbit, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,diffchange, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,interval, Alias (1 more message)
1810 2011-05-31 17:35:12 <jine> ;;bc,eligius
1811 2011-05-31 17:35:22 <diki> jine can you tell me how you store the time when a block is found?
1812 2011-05-31 17:35:23 <gribble> 99557341.9213
1813 2011-05-31 17:35:27 <diki> I've been hitting my head all day for that
1814 2011-05-31 17:35:28 <jine> diki: No :P
1815 2011-05-31 17:35:32 <diki> :(
1816 2011-05-31 17:35:37 <jine> diki: It's internal pool secrets.
1817 2011-05-31 17:35:44 <jine> You coould pay me tho.
1818 2011-05-31 17:35:47 <jine> And i'll tell :)
1819 2011-05-31 17:35:52 <diki> depends on the price
1820 2011-05-31 17:36:06 <jine> Depends on how much you offer.
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1822 2011-05-31 17:36:26 <diki> avg
1823 2011-05-31 17:36:57 <diki> When i store the time using mysql's internal functions it's a few seconds off
1824 2011-05-31 17:37:10 <diki> it's crucial to get the exact precise time
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1826 2011-05-31 17:37:26 <jine> do you server actually have the correct time?
1827 2011-05-31 17:37:26 <jine> :D
1828 2011-05-31 17:37:34 <jine> And off against wat?
1829 2011-05-31 17:37:37 <jine> Blockexplorer?
1830 2011-05-31 17:37:46 <jine> The time isn't that exact.
1831 2011-05-31 17:37:47 <diki> no, by what's in listtransactions
1832 2011-05-31 17:38:12 <diki> block is found ~8 seconds before inserted in mysql
1833 2011-05-31 17:38:19 <jine> Look at the category instead.
1834 2011-05-31 17:38:25 <jine> I'm parsing listtransactions
1835 2011-05-31 17:38:30 <diki> in those 8 seconds...a lot of shit can happen i.e another block being found
1836 2011-05-31 17:38:40 <jine> And fetching latest "immature" and "generate" transactions.
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1838 2011-05-31 17:39:10 <jine> It's rather failsafe, my method...
1839 2011-05-31 17:39:12 <diki> if i have two blocks generated withing ~8 seconds it be bad for the script
1840 2011-05-31 17:39:25 <diki> cause no matter how i look at it, it can handle one block at a time
1841 2011-05-31 17:39:33 <jine> Whats pushing status into mysql then?
1842 2011-05-31 17:39:44 <jine> pushpoold?
1843 2011-05-31 17:39:48 <diki> status?
1844 2011-05-31 17:39:52 <diki> time?
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1846 2011-05-31 17:39:58 <jine> diki: time*
1847 2011-05-31 17:40:15 <diki> the time is stored in DATETIME format when a query is performed
1848 2011-05-31 17:40:30 <diki> by since pushpool does not insert the time , i do it via internal mysql functions
1849 2011-05-31 17:40:31 <jine> Or are you looking at our_result & upstream_result == Y?
1850 2011-05-31 17:40:40 <jine> I do it to, for all blocks
1851 2011-05-31 17:40:43 <jine> with unix_timestamp()
1852 2011-05-31 17:40:47 <jine> shares****
1853 2011-05-31 17:40:50 <jine> For all shares*
1854 2011-05-31 17:41:04 <diki> i could care less about those shares, handling blocks is my problem :)
1855 2011-05-31 17:41:22 <jine> When a share in the sharelog is upstream_result & our_result == Y
1856 2011-05-31 17:41:27 <diki> since there is a delay i will do unix_timestamp()-someoffset
1857 2011-05-31 17:41:28 <jine> That share is the solution.
1858 2011-05-31 17:41:49 <jine> That share have a timestamp in my system.
1859 2011-05-31 17:41:52 <diki> jine, the problem is getting convirmations for each block
1860 2011-05-31 17:42:05 <diki> currently it's working but i need to fetch them via the time the block was generated
1861 2011-05-31 17:42:13 <diki> and i need the exact time
1862 2011-05-31 17:42:18 <jine> Why do you need to fetch them with time?
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1864 2011-05-31 17:42:31 <diki> what else unique identifier is there?
1865 2011-05-31 17:42:33 <jine> There is no such thing as an exact time.
1866 2011-05-31 17:43:26 <jine> I can tell you a bit about my system:
1867 2011-05-31 17:43:41 <jine> I've got a php script that fetches json from listtransactions.
1868 2011-05-31 17:43:48 <diki> i do that too
1869 2011-05-31 17:43:52 <jine> I then does a foreach on each and every transaction
1870 2011-05-31 17:44:06 <jine> And sorts out all blocks, looking at the category
1871 2011-05-31 17:44:14 <jine> "immature" and "generate"
1872 2011-05-31 17:44:26 <diki> i do the foreach in a while loop
1873 2011-05-31 17:44:35 <diki> that while loop fetches data from mysql
1874 2011-05-31 17:44:36 <jine> The transactions do have a transaction id
1875 2011-05-31 17:44:46 <jine> I'm using that txid to get the block's id
1876 2011-05-31 17:44:54 <diki> and i do if($row['time'] == $transactions['time'] echo $confirmations...
1877 2011-05-31 17:44:59 <jine> And then marking that block as solved.
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1879 2011-05-31 17:45:08 <sipa> don't use time as an identifier for blocks
1880 2011-05-31 17:45:11 <jine> But WHY do you then need to have the time!?
1881 2011-05-31 17:45:13 <sipa> it may collide
1882 2011-05-31 17:45:19 <diki> i have no idea how to use a txid
1883 2011-05-31 17:45:19 <diki> sorry
1884 2011-05-31 17:45:38 <diki> cause i dont know which txid is for which block
1885 2011-05-31 17:45:46 <jine> ./bitcoind gettransaction =
1886 2011-05-31 17:45:47 <jine> ?
1887 2011-05-31 17:46:03 <jine> diki: How the hell can't you know that?
1888 2011-05-31 17:46:12 <diki> dunno
1889 2011-05-31 17:46:19 <jine> If you're looping thru the transactions, you should have a txid in that array
1890 2011-05-31 17:46:22 <jine> FOR EACH TRANSACTION
1891 2011-05-31 17:46:31 <diki> Ok, but how do i know for which block it is?
1892 2011-05-31 17:46:50 <diki> mysql doesnt have info on the txid
1893 2011-05-31 17:46:59 <diki> so i really dont know what to compare against what
1894 2011-05-31 17:47:06 <diki> rather, the script doesnt know
1895 2011-05-31 17:47:19 <diki> the time is the only thing stored along with the hash/result of course
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1897 2011-05-31 17:48:25 <diki> Of course, if i have a txid stored in mysql then it will be piece of cake
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1899 2011-05-31 17:48:47 <diki> but there is no way to store it when a block is found
1900 2011-05-31 17:48:50 <sipa> you have the generated block header, no?
1901 2011-05-31 17:48:58 <sipa> that's submitted by the client?
1902 2011-05-31 17:48:58 <diki> and what of it?
1903 2011-05-31 17:49:15 <diki> i store the share that matches the target, yeah
1904 2011-05-31 17:49:52 <diki> the share is stored in a raw format
1905 2011-05-31 17:49:57 <diki> not sha256-ed
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1907 2011-05-31 17:50:29 <sipa> hmm, right
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1909 2011-05-31 17:51:28 <diki> Is there a way to...convert it to a txid or something?
1910 2011-05-31 17:51:59 <sipa> using getblock, but that's not in standard bitcoind
1911 2011-05-31 17:52:25 <diki> then how do the other pools do it?
1912 2011-05-31 17:52:30 <sipa> getblockbyhash
1913 2011-05-31 17:52:31 <sipa> no idea
1914 2011-05-31 17:53:51 <diki> Then txid is useless for me :)
1915 2011-05-31 17:53:58 <BlueMatt> all these 4 char nicks just run together...
1916 2011-05-31 17:54:29 <metonymous> makes me want one
1917 2011-05-31 17:54:38 <BlueMatt> not hard to do
1918 2011-05-31 17:54:38 <metonymous> needs an i second letter
1919 2011-05-31 17:54:45 <metonymous> mint
1920 2011-05-31 17:54:48 <metonymous> that'd be taken
1921 2011-05-31 17:55:04 <sipa> wow, lior, kika, diki, jine, sipa...
1922 2011-05-31 17:55:14 <jrmithdobbs> mith finally got it's shun removed and de/re-registered (lilo did not like me) ;P
1923 2011-05-31 17:55:17 <diki> wow is 3 chars
1924 2011-05-31 17:55:28 <metonymous> and a video game
1925 2011-05-31 17:55:33 <metonymous> so it's right out
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1927 2011-05-31 17:55:41 <sipa> BlueMatt: building, by the way
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1929 2011-05-31 17:56:43 <BlueMatt> sipa: nice, when you are done, you can checkout devrandom/bitcoin-release from gitian and copy the sigs in 0.3.22 over to the proper sigs folder in gitian-builder and run ./bin/gverify --release "0.3.22" path/to/gitian.yml
1930 2011-05-31 17:56:57 <sipa> will do
1931 2011-05-31 17:56:59 <BlueMatt> s/from gitian/from github/
1932 2011-05-31 17:56:59 <sipa> ming also?
1933 2011-05-31 17:57:13 <diki> Wellp...seems using the unix time is the only valid identifier left which brings me back to precise time storing
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1935 2011-05-31 17:57:40 <BlueMatt> sipa: ming? Im assuming that wasnt to me
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1937 2011-05-31 17:58:08 <sipa> BlueMatt: the build.sh script also contains mingw build instructions
1938 2011-05-31 17:58:56 <BlueMatt> oh, well those arent in that folder (note when you run gbuild again for mingw, it will overwrite linux out) and Im not sure they are deterministic (probably a timestamp or something hiding in boost somewhere)
1939 2011-05-31 17:59:09 <BlueMatt> but if you want to run mingw and compare hashes, that would be great too
1940 2011-05-31 17:59:10 <sipa> ah, right
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1942 2011-05-31 18:01:00 <diki> jine:how do you get the txid to compare to listtransactions's array?
1943 2011-05-31 18:01:50 <diki> *you with capital letters as in YOU
1944 2011-05-31 18:02:23 <jine> diki: There is no such think as precice timing.
1945 2011-05-31 18:02:33 <jine> Why should i compare listtransactions with anything?
1946 2011-05-31 18:02:36 <jine> It got all data i need.
1947 2011-05-31 18:02:53 <jine> I know what the current and previous block is, and i know where that transactionid FROM listtransactions goes.
1948 2011-05-31 18:03:16 <jine> My system actually acts on it own. I got an advanced AI engine.
1949 2011-05-31 18:03:17 <jine> ;)
1950 2011-05-31 18:03:17 <diki> if($mysql['txid'] == $listtransactions['txid'])echo $confirmations
1951 2011-05-31 18:03:33 <jine> Why dont you just parse listtransactions!?
1952 2011-05-31 18:03:38 <jine> It contains all that.
1953 2011-05-31 18:03:38 <diki> i do parse it
1954 2011-05-31 18:03:48 <diki> it contains it but i got nothng to compare with
1955 2011-05-31 18:03:59 <jine> txid to the transaction, transaction is attached to a block
1956 2011-05-31 18:04:13 <jine> I dont think blockexplorer got an api for that
1957 2011-05-31 18:04:19 <jine> But you could use it anyway
1958 2011-05-31 18:04:30 <NielDLR> Is bitcoin.it down?
1959 2011-05-31 18:04:32 <diki> that site is delayed
1960 2011-05-31 18:04:45 <jine> NielDLR: No
1961 2011-05-31 18:04:46 <diki> *blockexplorer delays data by ~2 mins
1962 2011-05-31 18:05:03 <jine> I dont use blockexplorer. i know which block goes were so.
1963 2011-05-31 18:05:24 <diki> pushpool does not offer the functionality you speak of
1964 2011-05-31 18:05:33 <jine> blkmond (:
1965 2011-05-31 18:05:45 <diki> blkmond....does nothing really
1966 2011-05-31 18:05:46 <jine> i use a heavily customized version tho.
1967 2011-05-31 18:05:50 <jine> :)
1968 2011-05-31 18:05:52 <jrmithdobbs> jine: not all txns are attached to a block yet ;P
1969 2011-05-31 18:05:54 <jine> I didn't say it DO.
1970 2011-05-31 18:06:01 <jine> I say how i'm doing it.
1971 2011-05-31 18:06:34 <NielDLR> jine: it seems to be down at mine side. Strange. Says I don't have access. Forbidden.
1972 2011-05-31 18:06:50 <jine> F5
1973 2011-05-31 18:06:54 <jine> Or wait
1974 2011-05-31 18:06:56 <jine> FORBIDDEN?
1975 2011-05-31 18:06:58 <jine> Strange.
1976 2011-05-31 18:06:59 <diki> jgarzik:new job for you: create a function which would store the txid from the found block in mysql
1977 2011-05-31 18:07:01 <jine> What are you trying to do? :P
1978 2011-05-31 18:07:10 <jine> diki: Pay me and i'll give you some code.
1979 2011-05-31 18:07:13 <jine> Lets say 130 BTC
1980 2011-05-31 18:07:22 <diki> i barely got 4 lol
1981 2011-05-31 18:07:26 <Speeder> tcatm: are you there?
1982 2011-05-31 18:07:30 <jine> Bcus thats the bounty for an opensource pool
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1984 2011-05-31 18:07:41 <tcatm> Speeder: yes
1985 2011-05-31 18:07:42 <jine> diki: Give me all you got and i'll help ya :)
1986 2011-05-31 18:07:43 <Speeder> tcatm: can you support GLBSE charts too?
1987 2011-05-31 18:07:46 <jine> I dont WANT to help you so.
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1989 2011-05-31 18:07:52 <Speeder> It would be really nice :D
1990 2011-05-31 18:07:56 <jine> I've got my own pool...
1991 2011-05-31 18:08:06 x5x is now known as x5x`brb
1992 2011-05-31 18:08:09 <tcatm> Speeder: hrm, yes that might be a good idea
1993 2011-05-31 18:08:15 <Speeder> :D
1994 2011-05-31 18:08:25 * Speeder jumps around ecstatic
1995 2011-05-31 18:08:37 <sipa> diki: why do you need to know which line in mysql corresponds to a particular block?
1996 2011-05-31 18:08:46 <tcatm> Speeder: or maybe I could license them the bitcoincharts system so they can make their own charts
1997 2011-05-31 18:08:48 <metonymous> rewards?
1998 2011-05-31 18:08:58 <Speeder> tcatm: yes indeed
1999 2011-05-31 18:09:08 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: because he doesn't understand what he's doing
2000 2011-05-31 18:09:10 <Speeder> tcatm: I thought of that too
2001 2011-05-31 18:09:18 <Speeder> bitcoincharts chart system is really cool
2002 2011-05-31 18:09:23 <diki> sipa: when the txid is stores in mysql, i can compare it to the one from listtransactions and get my info
2003 2011-05-31 18:09:23 <jine> jrmithdobbs: +1
2004 2011-05-31 18:09:30 <Speeder> although I know a pro trader that dislike it
2005 2011-05-31 18:09:32 <diki> there is no other way imo
2006 2011-05-31 18:09:37 <sipa> diki: that's not what i'm asking
2007 2011-05-31 18:09:47 <Speeder> because it does not allow you to draw indicators over the main chart
2008 2011-05-31 18:09:49 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: i gave him a simple way to deal with this like a week ago and he said it was too hard
2009 2011-05-31 18:09:49 <sipa> i'm asking why do you need it
2010 2011-05-31 18:09:54 <jine> I dont get why you'll have to COMPARE something to the listtransctions that got all info you need.
2011 2011-05-31 18:09:56 <metonymous> has the OS bounty been claimed?
2012 2011-05-31 18:10:16 <diki> sipa:because as of now i have no way to find out how many confirmations a block has nor if it's orphaned or not
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2014 2011-05-31 18:10:29 <jine> diki: Of course you do
2015 2011-05-31 18:10:30 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous: what bounty? and probably not, because everyone stopped paying them the moment exchange rate went >1.0usd
2016 2011-05-31 18:10:32 <jine> listtransactions!
2017 2011-05-31 18:10:41 <diki> ...
2018 2011-05-31 18:10:45 <tcatm> Speeder: I know. I'm working on a rewrite.
2019 2011-05-31 18:10:46 <sipa> diki: just use mysql only to count shares
2020 2011-05-31 18:10:47 <metonymous> jrmithdobbs, bounty for FOSS mining pool software
2021 2011-05-31 18:10:57 <sipa> there is no need to know which block or round or whatever they belong to
2022 2011-05-31 18:11:05 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous: if it hasn't jgarzik deserves it for pushpool
2023 2011-05-31 18:11:09 <Speeder> tcatm: nice :)
2024 2011-05-31 18:11:09 <diki> sipa..dude, there is no way to get confirmations for X block if i dont which it is among all of the transactions
2025 2011-05-31 18:11:15 <tcatm> The problem is: bitcoincharts has to handle > 1000 users now
2026 2011-05-31 18:11:16 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous: but like i said, noone's paying any bounties these days
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2028 2011-05-31 18:11:21 <metonymous> jrmithdobbs, yeh, he deserves a split
2029 2011-05-31 18:11:27 <Speeder> tcatm: oh, I noticed the site is more stable now
2030 2011-05-31 18:11:35 <Speeder> it stopped crashing every time a rally happens
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2033 2011-05-31 18:11:46 <jine> tcatm: and thats a problem? :P
2034 2011-05-31 18:11:49 <Speeder> (or the traffi decreased)
2035 2011-05-31 18:11:49 <sipa> diki: listtransactions will tell you all found blocks, whether they are mature yet or not, how many confirmations they have, and how much income they get you
2036 2011-05-31 18:11:50 <jine> tcatm: Not even much
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2038 2011-05-31 18:11:50 <jine> :D
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2041 2011-05-31 18:11:52 <jrmithdobbs> diki: you need the getblock patch and this all becomes nice and easy
2042 2011-05-31 18:11:56 <metonymous> well, I've developed a private pool ... thing... so I guess I'll sell it like the other guy did
2043 2011-05-31 18:11:58 <sipa> diki: mysql as counts of shares
2044 2011-05-31 18:12:04 <sipa> diki: isn't that all you need?
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2046 2011-05-31 18:12:18 <sipa> *has
2047 2011-05-31 18:12:20 <diki> and then how will i compare X block from mysql to X block from listtransactions?
2048 2011-05-31 18:12:33 <sipa> you don't
2049 2011-05-31 18:12:35 <metonymous> you guys talk like mysql is the only DB out there
2050 2011-05-31 18:12:39 <sipa> i'm still asking why you need to
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2052 2011-05-31 18:12:54 <diki> so that i can make a script for rewards?
2053 2011-05-31 18:13:12 <sipa> by just looking at listtransactions
2054 2011-05-31 18:13:16 <diki> otherwise if i dont know if a block is confirmed how will i pay users?
2055 2011-05-31 18:13:28 <sipa> listtransactions tells you if it's confirmed...
2056 2011-05-31 18:13:47 <diki> There is NO identifier lol
2057 2011-05-31 18:13:49 * gjs278 fires a rocket launcher at diki
2058 2011-05-31 18:13:55 <jine> diki: ur doing it wrong, and you you can't even figure that out, please don't start a new pool...
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2060 2011-05-31 18:14:21 <sipa> diki: you're complaining to me you can't compare it to anything in mysql - i agree you can't, but fail to see why you'd need to
2061 2011-05-31 18:14:21 <metonymous> hey, give the dude a break
2062 2011-05-31 18:14:24 <diki> list transactions doesnt tell you this block == X block from mysql
2063 2011-05-31 18:14:36 <sipa> yes you are right
2064 2011-05-31 18:14:38 <diki> so that i can do this:
2065 2011-05-31 18:15:04 <diki> if($mysqlblock['someid'] == $listtransactions['someid'] echo $howmanyconfirms it has
2066 2011-05-31 18:15:22 <sipa> you're asking "hey i want to do it in way X, but it doesn't work, so how do i do it?" -
2067 2011-05-31 18:15:29 <sipa> the answer is: "do it a different way"
2068 2011-05-31 18:15:39 <diki> but there is no other way
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2070 2011-05-31 18:15:53 <diki> i have only the time stored in mysql
2071 2011-05-31 18:15:55 <sipa> if you don't see that, stop trying to create a pool
2072 2011-05-31 18:15:57 <jine> diki: of course there is.
2073 2011-05-31 18:16:04 <jine> diki: I made it work? :)
2074 2011-05-31 18:16:08 <jine> And i already told you how.
2075 2011-05-31 18:16:11 <diki> pushpool inserts only shares and blocks
2076 2011-05-31 18:16:27 <jine> diki: since when does pushpool insert blocks?
2077 2011-05-31 18:16:32 <diki> mistype
2078 2011-05-31 18:16:36 <diki> *shares only
2079 2011-05-31 18:16:38 <sipa> diki: we're all agreeing that mysql does not store information you want
2080 2011-05-31 18:16:48 <metonymous> is not one of the shares the solution to the block?
2081 2011-05-31 18:16:52 <sipa> we're just saying that you can do it a different way so that you don't need that information
2082 2011-05-31 18:16:52 <metonymous> if it solved it?
2083 2011-05-31 18:16:52 <diki> the point is how do i fetch a block if i dont which it is?
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2085 2011-05-31 18:17:14 <diki> i only have the raw share data, nothing more
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2087 2011-05-31 18:17:20 <sipa> why do you need to fetch the block?
2088 2011-05-31 18:17:37 <metonymous> i think he wants to know how many confirmations it's had
2089 2011-05-31 18:17:39 <metonymous> and who mined it
2090 2011-05-31 18:17:43 <metonymous> for potential reward
2091 2011-05-31 18:17:47 <diki> who mined it is not important
2092 2011-05-31 18:17:48 <metonymous> its
2093 2011-05-31 18:17:50 <metonymous> its its its
2094 2011-05-31 18:17:53 <metonymous> it's
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2096 2011-05-31 18:17:54 <metonymous> it has
2097 2011-05-31 18:17:55 <metonymous> it is
2098 2011-05-31 18:18:04 <metonymous> it has, its possessive
2099 2011-05-31 18:18:13 <metonymous> i'm confused now
2100 2011-05-31 18:18:17 <jine> untz untz untz metonymous
2101 2011-05-31 18:18:27 <metonymous> hehe
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2103 2011-05-31 18:18:43 <sipa> diki: just find confirmed generations in listtransactions, distribute those according to the number of shares all miners had according to mysql between that generation and the previous, and pay out
2104 2011-05-31 18:18:53 <metonymous> why don't they bundle the latest blockchain into the bitcoin binaries
2105 2011-05-31 18:18:59 <jine> sipa: EXACTLY.
2106 2011-05-31 18:19:01 <diki> sipa:look at this tx
2107 2011-05-31 18:19:02 <diki> http://pastebin.com/4wzX1W1t
2108 2011-05-31 18:19:25 <sipa> diki: it has time and amount, that's what you need
2109 2011-05-31 18:19:32 <diki> now, if i dont have any id how will i fetch that EXACT tx?
2110 2011-05-31 18:19:32 <metonymous> nawww it's an orphan!
2111 2011-05-31 18:19:36 <metonymous> that's sad :'(
2112 2011-05-31 18:19:41 <sipa> why do you need that exact tx?
2113 2011-05-31 18:19:45 <jine> metonymous: HAHAH! I like you ;)
2114 2011-05-31 18:19:49 <diki> because i need to make a stats page
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2116 2011-05-31 18:20:06 <jine> diki: You project is doomed already :(
2117 2011-05-31 18:20:06 <metonymous> jine and I like you too :D
2118 2011-05-31 18:20:07 <diki> block A has 1 confirm, block B has 20 confirms etc
2119 2011-05-31 18:20:25 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
2120 2011-05-31 18:20:26 <metonymous> i liked his old design :P http://kradminer.com/
2121 2011-05-31 18:20:26 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.4998,"low":8.7,"vol":34854,"buy":8.9,"sell":9,"last":9}}
2122 2011-05-31 18:20:32 <metonymous> yay 9!
2123 2011-05-31 18:20:33 <sipa> diki: i'll give you a hint: if the current number of blocks in N, and a tx has K confirmations, it is in block N-K+1
2124 2011-05-31 18:20:37 <metonymous> bets on cracking the 10?
2125 2011-05-31 18:20:42 <jine> omg, who is that metonymous?
2126 2011-05-31 18:20:46 <sipa> if you really need to know, but that's not really important
2127 2011-05-31 18:20:49 <metonymous> grad
2128 2011-05-31 18:20:50 <metonymous> krad
2129 2011-05-31 18:20:59 <jine> Who is krad?
2130 2011-05-31 18:20:59 <diki> sipa:let me clarify:pushpool does not store the block number either
2131 2011-05-31 18:20:59 <metonymous> webcl miner :D
2132 2011-05-31 18:21:09 <metonymous> umm... i think he's on the forum as krad
2133 2011-05-31 18:21:10 <diki> i.e block 127XXX
2134 2011-05-31 18:21:19 <jine> metonymous: Ok ;D
2135 2011-05-31 18:21:22 <metonymous> he is a developer from xmms2 as well
2136 2011-05-31 18:21:23 <jine> AMAZING design
2137 2011-05-31 18:21:32 <jine> Its truly AMAZING
2138 2011-05-31 18:21:33 <sipa> diki: just assign all shares in mysql to the next found block?
2139 2011-05-31 18:21:45 <sipa> which you can find in listtransactions
2140 2011-05-31 18:21:51 <jine> diki: Or just go with your current solution.
2141 2011-05-31 18:22:12 <diki> the current solution will will fail if i have 2 blocks generated in the offset i specify
2142 2011-05-31 18:22:14 <jine> You won't find 2 blocks in 8 sec, i can promise you that.
2143 2011-05-31 18:22:25 <diki> slush found in 4
2144 2011-05-31 18:22:32 <jine> You won't be slush.
2145 2011-05-31 18:22:41 <diki> i may not be, it's all luck
2146 2011-05-31 18:22:45 <jine> Nor deepbit.
2147 2011-05-31 18:22:47 <metonymous> statistics
2148 2011-05-31 18:22:50 <diki> i'd rather not screw up stats and
2149 2011-05-31 18:22:51 <metonymous> not luck
2150 2011-05-31 18:23:00 <jine> The point is, with < 100 ghash, you won't have to worry
2151 2011-05-31 18:23:05 <diki> meto:everybody says it's luck
2152 2011-05-31 18:23:12 <jine> Dont create problems that dosen't exist.
2153 2011-05-31 18:23:17 <diki> it will
2154 2011-05-31 18:23:34 <jine> Then solve it some other way
2155 2011-05-31 18:23:36 <jine> I've done it.
2156 2011-05-31 18:23:49 <diki> i tried modding pushpool to add more custom fields, but nothing get's inserted...
2157 2011-05-31 18:23:58 <diki> in that particular field
2158 2011-05-31 18:24:07 <diki> otherwise the share is inserted as usual
2159 2011-05-31 18:24:10 <jine> They you're doing it wrong, do it again, and do it right. :)
2160 2011-05-31 18:24:24 <diki> i dont know C so i was doing what seemed logical
2161 2011-05-31 18:24:25 <metonymous> lol
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2163 2011-05-31 18:24:34 <metonymous> maybe have a look at blkmond?
2164 2011-05-31 18:24:41 <metonymous> it seems to be quite smart
2165 2011-05-31 18:24:52 <diki> huh? it outputs some jibberish data
2166 2011-05-31 18:24:55 <jine> metonymous: I'm using blkmond for this so.
2167 2011-05-31 18:25:01 <jine> diki: NO it does not!
2168 2011-05-31 18:25:16 <jine> It outputs all transactions and blocks :)
2169 2011-05-31 18:25:21 <metonymous> it sure does
2170 2011-05-31 18:25:24 <metonymous> very verbosely
2171 2011-05-31 18:25:31 <diki> looks useless to me...
2172 2011-05-31 18:25:32 <metonymous> redirect to null for now
2173 2011-05-31 18:25:33 <metonymous> :P
2174 2011-05-31 18:25:40 <metonymous> diki; lol
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2176 2011-05-31 18:25:50 <sipa> if it's useless to you, just don't use it
2177 2011-05-31 18:25:51 <jine> diki: Whell, if it does... then please commit suicide, you're useless to me.
2178 2011-05-31 18:25:53 <metonymous> i don't understand - therefor it's useles
2179 2011-05-31 18:26:01 <diki> exactly meto
2180 2011-05-31 18:26:06 <diki> right on the spot
2181 2011-05-31 18:26:07 <jine> metonymous: Quote of the day.
2182 2011-05-31 18:26:22 <jine> diki: lol.....
2183 2011-05-31 18:26:27 <iz> sarcasm seems useless rn..
2184 2011-05-31 18:26:29 <jine> This is humor.
2185 2011-05-31 18:26:38 <jine> iz: right on the spot ;)
2186 2011-05-31 18:26:51 <diki> i also have no idea what this redirect is so...
2187 2011-05-31 18:27:22 <jine> It's no "walk in the park" to setup a pool with all stats and things you'll need.
2188 2011-05-31 18:27:29 <jine> So please go learn something and look at blkmond.
2189 2011-05-31 18:27:31 <diki> im good with the php part
2190 2011-05-31 18:27:39 <jine> diki: I don't think you are.
2191 2011-05-31 18:27:40 <diki> aka the front-end
2192 2011-05-31 18:27:46 <jine> Please show some code :D
2193 2011-05-31 18:27:54 <iz> diki: find someone to partner up with that can do the pushpool and payout and stuff
2194 2011-05-31 18:27:56 <diki> you show yours, i show you mine
2195 2011-05-31 18:28:33 <iz> there are a bunch of existing pools that have no front-ends rn
2196 2011-05-31 18:28:48 <diki> those are heavily modded thats why
2197 2011-05-31 18:28:54 <iz> well..
2198 2011-05-31 18:28:58 <jine> diki: Show your code, and i might show mine.
2199 2011-05-31 18:29:01 <iz> there is no front-end to start with
2200 2011-05-31 18:29:14 <diki> yes, iz, you code it yourself just like i did
2201 2011-05-31 18:29:15 <jine> diki: Know how to patch bitcoind?
2202 2011-05-31 18:29:24 <diki> i dont know C or C++
2203 2011-05-31 18:29:40 <jine> I didn't say that you needed C nor C++
2204 2011-05-31 18:29:47 <jine> I asked you if you know how to apply a patch in *nix
2205 2011-05-31 18:29:49 <diki> bitcoind is C++ lol
2206 2011-05-31 18:29:49 <iz> diki: well.. i mean.. the existing pushpool doesn't track payouts or anything like that
2207 2011-05-31 18:29:57 <diki> ah, a patch
2208 2011-05-31 18:30:02 <iz> so you would have to code all that stuff into there first
2209 2011-05-31 18:30:14 <diki> payouts are done via the front-end
2210 2011-05-31 18:30:34 <jine> diki: If you want to do it your way, look att getblock patch for bitcoind
2211 2011-05-31 18:30:36 <iz> unless you are just counting the lines in the shares table and clearing it each time you find a block
2212 2011-05-31 18:30:42 <jine> and you COULD mabe succeed.
2213 2011-05-31 18:30:44 <jine> maybe*
2214 2011-05-31 18:31:02 <jine> iz: I'm not clearing my shares table... it up to 1.5m rows now
2215 2011-05-31 18:31:02 <iz> diki: how do you determine how much to pay to whom when you find a block?
2216 2011-05-31 18:31:02 <jine> :D
2217 2011-05-31 18:31:22 <diki> i will use the scoring method
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2219 2011-05-31 18:31:29 <jine> iz: 1 989 558 rows MyISAM utf8_general_ci 701,0 MiB
2220 2011-05-31 18:31:33 <jine> iz: :D:D
2221 2011-05-31 18:31:36 <metonymous> hehe
2222 2011-05-31 18:31:36 <iz> yeah, i wouldn't do it that way either.. but that was just an idea for how to do it w/ just sql queries.. and the existing pushpool with minimal C changes
2223 2011-05-31 18:31:41 <metonymous> i wonder how mine is going ...
2224 2011-05-31 18:31:50 <diki> 701,0 MiB is that ram or hdd space??
2225 2011-05-31 18:31:54 <metonymous> select count(1);
2226 2011-05-31 18:31:57 <iz> diki: where would you get the data for the scoring method?
2227 2011-05-31 18:32:09 <diki> the shares?
2228 2011-05-31 18:32:28 <iz> by counting the lines that match for username?
2229 2011-05-31 18:32:33 <sipa> diki: i'd suggest you to start without statistics, with a simple proportional payout, and without bothering to check which share was for exactly which block
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2231 2011-05-31 18:32:41 <sipa> diki: if that works, you can improve things
2232 2011-05-31 18:32:49 <jine> diki: My shares table
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2234 2011-05-31 18:32:55 <sipa> but don't try to do everything at once without understanding
2235 2011-05-31 18:32:56 <jine> diki: Btw, did you manage to find my pushpoold fork at github?
2236 2011-05-31 18:32:58 <diki> by counting the rows in the table that match X username
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2238 2011-05-31 18:33:07 <diki> jine:nope?
2239 2011-05-31 18:33:12 <diki> you have never said you had a fork
2240 2011-05-31 18:33:14 <metonymous> naw, i'm only 124,000 on this db, and i didn't save the over 1,000,000 one :'(
2241 2011-05-31 18:33:24 <jine> diki: Nvm then :) it has some config & sql examples onl
2242 2011-05-31 18:33:26 <jine> only*
2243 2011-05-31 18:33:33 <BlueMatt> potential fix for fee customize-ability: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commits/feefix (still one or two minor things left, but I wanted to get comments first)
2244 2011-05-31 18:33:39 <diki> my db structure is ok
2245 2011-05-31 18:33:42 <BlueMatt> sipa: ^
2246 2011-05-31 18:33:43 <iz> diki: yeah, that should work.. just remember not to double pay those first shares when you find your second block
2247 2011-05-31 18:34:02 <diki> iz, i will be doing some magic to fix that
2248 2011-05-31 18:34:02 <iz> are you gonna clear the shares table when you find a block?
2249 2011-05-31 18:34:08 <diki> i thought about that
2250 2011-05-31 18:34:14 <metonymous> BlueMatt i need to set up a dev environment...
2251 2011-05-31 18:34:15 <diki> but it's gonna be tough
2252 2011-05-31 18:34:15 <iz> yeah, that's the thought i just had also
2253 2011-05-31 18:34:17 <metonymous> hmmm
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2256 2011-05-31 18:35:10 <diki> lolol jine
2257 2011-05-31 18:35:13 <iz> would it be better if there was an extra field in the shares table that was like.. block #?
2258 2011-05-31 18:35:15 <diki> are you sure myisam would hold out?
2259 2011-05-31 18:35:28 <sipa> BlueMatt: interesting
2260 2011-05-31 18:35:28 <diki> it's not really suited for heavy insert usage
2261 2011-05-31 18:35:52 <diki> i have a blocks table where all the blocks will be moved
2262 2011-05-31 18:35:56 <jine> MyISAM ruuuuulez ;)))
2263 2011-05-31 18:36:01 <diki> myisam will fail
2264 2011-05-31 18:36:04 <jine> diki: Look at blockmond.
2265 2011-05-31 18:36:07 <diki> innodb is the way
2266 2011-05-31 18:36:36 <metonymous> posgresql all the way
2267 2011-05-31 18:36:52 <metonymous> i just like being different :P
2268 2011-05-31 18:36:56 <diki> when myisam starts locking up...
2269 2011-05-31 18:37:05 <diki> lots of problems you will see jine ;)
2270 2011-05-31 18:37:11 <jrmithdobbs> what's going on with the wiki
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2272 2011-05-31 18:37:16 <metonymous> FORBIDDEN
2273 2011-05-31 18:37:25 <diki> yes i banned you all from there :D
2274 2011-05-31 18:37:29 <jine> diki: I'm already running a HUGE site so.. I think i got knowledge in this then you. ;)
2275 2011-05-31 18:37:33 <jine> diki: http://www.emocore.se
2276 2011-05-31 18:37:43 <jine> Db is about 200m rows and 15gb+
2277 2011-05-31 18:37:47 <jine> We're running mainly myisam
2278 2011-05-31 18:38:03 <jrmithdobbs> jine: ya but pool with decent ammount of users grows at 1GB+ a week
2279 2011-05-31 18:38:05 <diki> find, suit yourself
2280 2011-05-31 18:38:08 <jrmithdobbs> s/ammount/amount/
2281 2011-05-31 18:38:24 <metonymous> emocore's not english, how am I meant to be hardcore emo :(
2282 2011-05-31 18:38:27 <jine> jrmithdobbs: I didn't say i wont truncate it :P
2283 2011-05-31 18:38:31 <metonymous> emocore hard?
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2285 2011-05-31 18:38:50 <jine> diki: The point is, it depends on how you're using it.
2286 2011-05-31 18:38:54 <jrmithdobbs> jine: why not just use postgres and partition it properly
2287 2011-05-31 18:39:08 <jrmithdobbs> jine: the move the older partitions to another db and trunc them on a time frame
2288 2011-05-31 18:39:12 <jrmithdobbs> so you don't have to lose data
2289 2011-05-31 18:39:16 <jine> jrmithdobbs: I already had a virtual enviorment with shared mysqlservers :)
2290 2011-05-31 18:39:18 <diki> jine suppose you start having 1000-1500 inserts per second
2291 2011-05-31 18:39:21 <ZOP> everyone says their site is huge
2292 2011-05-31 18:39:25 <ZOP> :)
2293 2011-05-31 18:39:26 <diki> from what i've gathered it will fail
2294 2011-05-31 18:39:30 <sipa> BlueMatt: "Matt Corallo: MISMATCH"
2295 2011-05-31 18:39:42 <ZOP> Coming from someone who worked at a web host for 6 years before going independent heh.
2296 2011-05-31 18:39:45 <jine> ZOP: We got ~30m pageviews/month :)
2297 2011-05-31 18:39:46 <BlueMatt> sipa: but not for devrandom?
2298 2011-05-31 18:39:50 <ZOP> Everyone says their site is huge but very few are.
2299 2011-05-31 18:40:04 <sipa> BlueMatt: devrandom: OK
2300 2011-05-31 18:40:10 <metonymous> s/mm/m/
2301 2011-05-31 18:40:10 <metonymous> i own google, i hear it's big now
2302 2011-05-31 18:40:21 <jine> ZOP: I'm running a webhosting/domainregistrar biz.
2303 2011-05-31 18:40:23 <BlueMatt> sipa: huh? but mine and his match afaict...
2304 2011-05-31 18:40:24 <ZOP> last two years before he sold it, I sysadmin-ed for (VERY NSFW) stileproject.com
2305 2011-05-31 18:40:27 <ZOP> again NSFW
2306 2011-05-31 18:40:28 <jine> ZOP: http://www.jine.se, in swedish tho.
2307 2011-05-31 18:40:43 <jine> ZOP: Cool, that gives you respect from my anyway :)
2308 2011-05-31 18:40:51 <ZOP> (check alexa traffic ranks if ya like) new buyers it's gone downhill anyway.
2309 2011-05-31 18:40:55 <metonymous> there was some good porn vids on stile
2310 2011-05-31 18:40:56 <ZOP> Now work for a different place
2311 2011-05-31 18:41:03 <ZOP> They're bigger heh.
2312 2011-05-31 18:41:24 <BlueMatt> sipa: does it not give any more useful info than that? also can you upload your sigs somewhere?
2313 2011-05-31 18:41:35 <ZOP> Plus they're easier to deal with than Stile was.
2314 2011-05-31 18:41:57 <sipa> BlueMatt: i don't get it at all
2315 2011-05-31 18:42:00 <ZOP> In any event, used mysql at stileproject, and MyISAM is fine to pretty insane levels
2316 2011-05-31 18:42:07 <ZOP> but you really do need to know what you're doing with it.
2317 2011-05-31 18:42:16 <sipa> BlueMatt: because my hash for bitcoind is different from the one you and devrandom have
2318 2011-05-31 18:42:18 <jine> It all depends on how you're doing it, and for what.
2319 2011-05-31 18:42:24 <BlueMatt> sipa: for x64?
2320 2011-05-31 18:42:26 <ZOP> that said, PostGreSQL mostly Just Goes fuckin' fast on larger loads.
2321 2011-05-31 18:42:31 <jrmithdobbs> ZOP: so long as you don't want failover and replication that actually works ;P
2322 2011-05-31 18:42:40 <sipa> BlueMatt: all 4 binaries
2323 2011-05-31 18:42:44 <ZOP> Pg isn't any better there.
2324 2011-05-31 18:42:47 <jine> ZOP: Indeed it is. But i hade postgres due to previous bad expiriences.
2325 2011-05-31 18:42:51 <sipa> BlueMatt: as well as some source file
2326 2011-05-31 18:42:54 <ZOP> The rolling backups is about all it has over MySQL in that area.
2327 2011-05-31 18:42:57 <sipa> BlueMatt: so we used a different commit
2328 2011-05-31 18:43:01 <jrmithdobbs> ZOP: except that it has partitioning and things that make it easier to avoid the issues
2329 2011-05-31 18:43:04 <BlueMatt> sipa: oh...well then the source must've been different...
2330 2011-05-31 18:43:08 <jine> jrmithdobbs: MySQL-MMM + MariaDB :)
2331 2011-05-31 18:43:11 <BlueMatt> also, must be a bug in gverify
2332 2011-05-31 18:43:13 <sipa> BlueMatt: but why the hell does it say 'OK' for devrandom..
2333 2011-05-31 18:43:23 <BlueMatt> that must be a bug
2334 2011-05-31 18:43:50 <sipa> if (checksum_matches || name=='devrandom') print 'OK';
2335 2011-05-31 18:43:54 <sipa> ;)
2336 2011-05-31 18:44:13 <BlueMatt> sipa: so it says "sipa: OK" and "devrandom: OK"?
2337 2011-05-31 18:44:18 <ZOP> BlueMatt: nailed the problem BTW -- Rebit. My backup software. Put that on pause and bitcoin has gone from 0 to 85k blocks in just a few minutes here, and still going (I'm connected only to the local good node as a proxy heh, no load on other nodes while I'm mucking about that way)
2338 2011-05-31 18:44:18 <sipa> BlueMatt: yes
2339 2011-05-31 18:44:20 <BlueMatt> or "sipa: BAD?"
2340 2011-05-31 18:44:41 <ZOP> My guess is rebit was doing something to the BDB logfiles that BDB didn't like.
2341 2011-05-31 18:44:43 <BlueMatt> ZOP: oh ok, great...well then its not a bitcoin problem...good to know though
2342 2011-05-31 18:44:47 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: back
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2344 2011-05-31 18:44:54 <sipa> BlueMatt: "Pieter Wuille: OK\nMatt Corallo: MISMATCH\ndevrandom: OK"
2345 2011-05-31 18:45:03 <BlueMatt> sipa: hm...can you ul the assert so I can go test?
2346 2011-05-31 18:45:04 <ZOP> Ayup, just a bad interaction with a piece of backup software that tries to be too crafty for it's own good most of the time :)
2347 2011-05-31 18:45:16 * diki is going to check blkmond, but if he finds it useless, then he deems it as such
2348 2011-05-31 18:45:17 <BlueMatt> Im sure I probably introduced a bug in gverify when I was messing around with it...:(
2349 2011-05-31 18:45:45 <BlueMatt> ZOP: yea, imo we dont have to care...anyway good to know in case someone else comes up with that problem
2350 2011-05-31 18:46:04 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: has been emailed :)
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2352 2011-05-31 18:46:13 <ZOP> Yup, no need for you guys to care/do anything heh, but it's something to ask "backup software?" "try turnign it off during the resync phase...."
2353 2011-05-31 18:46:18 <sipa> BlueMatt: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/sigs.tgz
2354 2011-05-31 18:47:02 <JackRabiit> #bitcoin-otc
2355 2011-05-31 18:47:10 <JackRabiit> what the command again?
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2357 2011-05-31 18:47:17 <JackRabiit> to open a channel to the otc?
2358 2011-05-31 18:47:21 <jrmithdobbs> tcatm: how old is your wiki mirror?
2359 2011-05-31 18:47:25 <BlueMatt> /join #bitcoin-otc
2360 2011-05-31 18:47:29 <JackRabiit> thankyou.
2361 2011-05-31 18:47:30 <ZOP> Times like this i realise how much faster the desktop here is than the laptop (which I used as a desktop for a good 2 yrs) it replaced is...that poor little guy is struggling for hours to get resync-ed to where the desktop just screamed past it. lol :)
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2363 2011-05-31 18:47:53 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, how are you building the windows binaries?
2364 2011-05-31 18:48:04 <tcatm> jrmithdobbs: no idea. I used the last dump from dump.bitcoin.it
2365 2011-05-31 18:48:05 <diki> Desktop pc>laptops
2366 2011-05-31 18:48:12 <diki> unless it's some Alienware
2367 2011-05-31 18:48:16 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: https://github.com/devrandom/bitcoin-release/blob/master/docs/build.sh
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2369 2011-05-31 18:48:36 <JackRabiit> Annnnnnd how to we open a private chatbox with a target user?
2370 2011-05-31 18:48:40 <JackRabiit> do*
2371 2011-05-31 18:49:10 <jgarzik> chatbox?
2372 2011-05-31 18:49:10 <ZOP> JackRabiit: go find an IRC FAW? LOL -- /msg
2373 2011-05-31 18:49:17 <ZOP> *FAQ
2374 2011-05-31 18:49:18 <BlueMatt> JackRabiit: /query person foo
2375 2011-05-31 18:49:23 <metonymous> FAQn hell
2376 2011-05-31 18:49:25 <JackRabiit> xD
2377 2011-05-31 18:51:18 punkomat1 is now known as punkomat
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2379 2011-05-31 18:53:18 <metonymous> BlueMatt are you a core dev?
2380 2011-05-31 18:53:36 <BlueMatt> metonymous: essentially
2381 2011-05-31 18:53:58 <metonymous> i'm interested in dipping my toes in the water towards dev'ing on bitcoin
2382 2011-05-31 18:54:29 <BlueMatt> metonymous: nice, take a look at github's list of issues or find one you want to do yourself, and go patch :)
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2384 2011-05-31 18:54:42 <metonymous> bitcoin/bitcoin.git?
2385 2011-05-31 18:54:49 <BlueMatt> yea
2386 2011-05-31 18:54:55 <metonymous> sounds doable
2387 2011-05-31 18:55:01 <metonymous> ta
2388 2011-05-31 18:55:02 <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues
2389 2011-05-31 18:55:04 <jgarzik> bitcoin 0.3.22-rc6 released and uploaded: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=8894.msg155818#msg155818
2390 2011-05-31 18:55:11 <metonymous> hanks sipa
2391 2011-05-31 18:55:14 <metonymous> thanjks
2392 2011-05-31 18:55:15 <metonymous> grr
2393 2011-05-31 18:55:18 <BlueMatt> bitcoin's code is kind of a mess, but you can take a look :)
2394 2011-05-31 18:55:19 <metonymous> typographical
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2396 2011-05-31 18:55:32 <diki> jine:and what do i have to do with this blkmond?
2397 2011-05-31 18:55:40 <diki> parsing that monster = impossible
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2399 2011-05-31 18:56:01 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: nice...finally got 0.3.22 out the door :):):)
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2401 2011-05-31 18:56:18 * ZOP highfives BlueMatt!
2402 2011-05-31 18:56:24 <sipa> finally!
2403 2011-05-31 18:56:29 <metonymous> diki: blklmond will notify you EXACTLY when blocks are created
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2405 2011-05-31 18:56:37 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: well, the fat lady hasn't sung yet :)
2406 2011-05-31 18:56:45 <jgarzik> 1-2 days of testing feedback (or lack thereof)
2407 2011-05-31 18:56:45 <metonymous> you just need to know which ones are yourse, but it'll tell you EVERTYTHING about that block
2408 2011-05-31 18:56:50 <diki> how will it notify me? I have redirected the output to a file
2409 2011-05-31 18:56:50 <jgarzik> then holy alpaca pee
2410 2011-05-31 18:56:52 <jgarzik> then release
2411 2011-05-31 18:56:52 <diki> but other than that...
2412 2011-05-31 18:56:58 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: meh, I dont see anything going wrong at this point
2413 2011-05-31 18:56:59 <jgarzik> then... merge merge merge
2414 2011-05-31 18:57:02 <metonymous> i've been running 3.22rc5
2415 2011-05-31 18:57:06 <metonymous> without problm :P
2416 2011-05-31 18:57:10 <BlueMatt> (I hope i didnt just jinx us...)
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2418 2011-05-31 18:57:15 <sipa> metonymous: you received transactions?
2419 2011-05-31 18:57:24 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous: update there's a problem with fee-less txns in that
2420 2011-05-31 18:57:30 <jrmithdobbs> or was that 6
2421 2011-05-31 18:57:36 <sipa> no, the bug is in 5
2422 2011-05-31 18:57:41 <sipa> *shame*
2423 2011-05-31 18:57:42 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: problem in -rc5, fixed in -rc6
2424 2011-05-31 18:57:48 <metonymous> cool
2425 2011-05-31 18:57:49 <metonymous> ta
2426 2011-05-31 18:57:51 <jine> diki: It's not even hard to parse.
2427 2011-05-31 18:57:52 <metonymous> will upgrade
2428 2011-05-31 18:57:56 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: that'll teach you to c&p luke's eligius code ;P
2429 2011-05-31 18:57:58 <jrmithdobbs> heh
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2432 2011-05-31 18:58:06 <jine> But i'm not parsing it. I modified it do to some sqlmagic :)
2433 2011-05-31 18:58:09 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: i didn't
2434 2011-05-31 18:58:22 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: oh then nm, go back to your *shame* ;P
2435 2011-05-31 18:58:28 <gmaxwell> Personally, I like the patch luke has that makes every transaction send him money.
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2437 2011-05-31 18:59:15 <jine> Total num. of shares: 1 999 165
2438 2011-05-31 18:59:23 <jine> Oh my, soon bitcoins.lc will go above 2m rows in the db
2439 2011-05-31 18:59:24 <jine> :D
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2441 2011-05-31 18:59:53 <jine> One question tho, we don't need the solutions do we? For shares that "failed"
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2443 2011-05-31 19:00:06 <jgarzik> jine: the original half-a-node client from ArtForz is at http://pastebin.com/ZSM7iHZw
2444 2011-05-31 19:00:12 <metonymous> jine, it proves you're not hacking things
2445 2011-05-31 19:00:15 <jgarzik> jine: blkmond is just a couple lines hacked off that
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2447 2011-05-31 19:00:52 <BlueMatt> sipa: found it: gverify compares only to the previous out, so if it checks devrandom's after mine, it is checking if his matches mine, hence its not a mismatch
2448 2011-05-31 19:00:53 <mtrlt> jine: and the pool can save all shares to prove that the pool is not cheating
2449 2011-05-31 19:00:57 <metonymous> jgarzik, don't know if you get this much, but i just wanna say thanks for pushpoold :P :)
2450 2011-05-31 19:00:59 <jgarzik> jine: the only reason solutions are stored at all is for debugging, disaster recovery and possible audit trail. that means they are optional, really...
2451 2011-05-31 19:01:06 <jine> mtrlt: True.
2452 2011-05-31 19:01:18 <BlueMatt> sipa: though something better than that could probably be found...in any case it will tell you if any one doesnt match
2453 2011-05-31 19:01:24 <BlueMatt> you just dont know which
2454 2011-05-31 19:01:24 <jine> I'm thinking of actually truncing all solutions except the successfull ones.
2455 2011-05-31 19:01:35 <jgarzik> Donations / tip jar: 1BrufViLKnSWtuWGkryPsKsxonV2NQ7Tcj
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2458 2011-05-31 19:01:56 <jrmithdobbs> solutions def need to be stored for auditing purposes
2459 2011-05-31 19:01:57 <jine> jgarzik: Hi! Have you seen my pull req. on github?
2460 2011-05-31 19:01:58 <metonymous> anyone know how much RAM a typical headless bitcoin build would take?
2461 2011-05-31 19:02:03 <jine> jgarzik: Wanted to add some example sql and stuff.
2462 2011-05-31 19:02:11 <jine> Could be good for new starters.
2463 2011-05-31 19:02:23 <phantomcircuit> metonymous, anywhere from 200MB to 800MB
2464 2011-05-31 19:02:30 <metonymous> phantomcircuit, thanks
2465 2011-05-31 19:02:32 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous: blockchain size * 2 ... ish
2466 2011-05-31 19:02:41 <jrmithdobbs> a lot
2467 2011-05-31 19:03:00 <jgarzik> jine: yeah, one pull request for a bunch of different things. requires time to separate out each commit on my side :(
2468 2011-05-31 19:03:00 <metonymous> :|
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2470 2011-05-31 19:03:17 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous: that's worst case, usually takes less
2471 2011-05-31 19:03:37 <metonymous> ok
2472 2011-05-31 19:03:49 <JackRabiit> Wow i think Deepbit just got DDoS'd Again, Can someone else try to access the site?,
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2474 2011-05-31 19:04:07 <jine> jgarzik: Could redo it if you wantto.
2475 2011-05-31 19:04:08 <JackRabiit> airdata: HIIIIII
2476 2011-05-31 19:04:16 <metonymous> JackRabiit, loooooaaaading....
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2479 2011-05-31 19:04:36 <jgarzik> jine: normally it's one pull request per logical change. a logical change can be one or more commits changing the same area of code for the same purpose (like steps in a math proof).
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2481 2011-05-31 19:04:50 <diki> jine:what of this is parsable? http://pastebin.com/AP51P4bc
2482 2011-05-31 19:05:31 <jine> diki: i DON'T parse it. YOU DONT NEED TO.
2483 2011-05-31 19:05:40 <diki> then what the hell is blkmond for?
2484 2011-05-31 19:05:48 <diki> except for long polling
2485 2011-05-31 19:05:56 <jine> jgarzik: So, was that a yes?
2486 2011-05-31 19:06:05 <jine> diki: Nothing, but you could make it do more (as i have)
2487 2011-05-31 19:06:18 <jine> I WON'T give you code, just a pointer.
2488 2011-05-31 19:06:26 <diki> i never asked for code, did i
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2491 2011-05-31 19:06:44 <metonymous> diki, blkmond is a smarter version of this http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=8797.0
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2495 2011-05-31 19:06:57 <metonymous> but with more potential, cos it's actually a node
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2497 2011-05-31 19:08:14 <metonymous> with the github issues, looks like most of them have code attached, is there a system for who's doing what?
2498 2011-05-31 19:08:23 <jine> diki: Just because you don't know how to do something, doesn't make it impossible nor wrong. It just makes you not capable of doing it.
2499 2011-05-31 19:08:27 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: hey, you wanted those win32 eligius fee builds, I made a branch which should be good for the whole override fee stuff, if you want win32 buidls of that, I can do that
2500 2011-05-31 19:08:39 <jine> diki: So go find someone who does know how to, or give up.
2501 2011-05-31 19:09:35 <BlueMatt> ok mostly acceptable fee-fix: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commits/feefix
2502 2011-05-31 19:09:37 <BlueMatt> rfc
2503 2011-05-31 19:09:59 <jrmithdobbs> who controls the private key for alert since satoshi left?
2504 2011-05-31 19:10:07 <BlueMatt> gavin has them
2505 2011-05-31 19:10:11 <jrmithdobbs> k
2506 2011-05-31 19:10:11 <BlueMatt> *it
2507 2011-05-31 19:11:19 <diki> if i can somehow get the txid when a block is found...superb stuff happen from thereon
2508 2011-05-31 19:11:38 <diki> or at least the time it was found which is in unix seconds
2509 2011-05-31 19:11:47 <metonymous> what build environment are most windows builders using, codeblocks/mingw? cygwin?
2510 2011-05-31 19:12:00 <BlueMatt> metonymous: mingw
2511 2011-05-31 19:12:06 <metonymous> ta
2512 2011-05-31 19:12:08 <UukGoblin> btw, with the current fee scheme, to send large transactions without fees, some kind of shortest-path algorithm would be useful
2513 2011-05-31 19:12:11 <metonymous> diki: blkmond will tell you the txid
2514 2011-05-31 19:12:17 <BlueMatt> actually all the windows builders are using mingw on linux, not on windows
2515 2011-05-31 19:12:20 <UukGoblin> i.e. one that could do smart free transfers instead of one with a large fee
2516 2011-05-31 19:12:29 <BlueMatt> (all the windows builders == me (+sipa))
2517 2011-05-31 19:12:39 <jgarzik> jine: yes :)
2518 2011-05-31 19:12:39 <metonymous> lol
2519 2011-05-31 19:13:02 <metonymous> i've got linux, windows, osx, it'd be nice to have them all building
2520 2011-05-31 19:13:05 <diki> there is no way to verify it works though
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2522 2011-05-31 19:13:21 <BlueMatt> metonymous: I can help with linux/win32, but osx I havent gotten around to doing
2523 2011-05-31 19:13:22 <diki> i tried running blkmond on testnet but after a while it says closed
2524 2011-05-31 19:13:45 <BlueMatt> metonymous: look on the forums for my how-to on basic windows building
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2526 2011-05-31 19:14:09 <metonymous> BlueMatt ok, thanks
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2530 2011-05-31 19:16:24 <diki> one proble tho. If i redirect the output of blkmond to a file, the file is effing huge for just a few minutes
2531 2011-05-31 19:16:39 <sipa> do you need that file?
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2533 2011-05-31 19:16:49 <diki> just to parse
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2535 2011-05-31 19:16:58 <diki> i could potentially truncate it, but.....
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2537 2011-05-31 19:17:36 <metonymous> diki! don't put it to a file, learn python and edit blkmond itself!
2538 2011-05-31 19:17:49 <diki> you've got to be shitting me
2539 2011-05-31 19:17:50 <metonymous> at the point the block appears, blkmond has all the information in memory
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2541 2011-05-31 19:17:52 <metonymous> EVERYTHING
2542 2011-05-31 19:17:56 <diki> i would never learn that ugly language
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2545 2011-05-31 19:18:04 <metonymous> diki. fuck you.
2546 2011-05-31 19:18:16 <diki> have a nice day sir.
2547 2011-05-31 19:19:10 * gjs278 fires a rocket launcher at diki
2548 2011-05-31 19:19:19 <diki> if i truncate the file just after my pool has found a block(this is theoretical) and can't find the block withing the listtransactions
2549 2011-05-31 19:19:22 <diki> i will declare it invalid
2550 2011-05-31 19:19:41 <diki> But, 50 btc in my pocket
2551 2011-05-31 19:19:47 <diki> dis i like
2552 2011-05-31 19:19:51 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous: fuck that, at the point it appears pushpool has 99% of what he needs and he can just add a row called 'block_number' that gets updated any time upstream_result = 'Y' ...
2553 2011-05-31 19:19:58 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous: i told him this like a week ago, though
2554 2011-05-31 19:20:04 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: doesn't fix eligius_sendfee stff
2555 2011-05-31 19:20:11 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous: dude's retarded.
2556 2011-05-31 19:20:23 <diki> jrmith:i've already designed my db
2557 2011-05-31 19:20:29 <diki> and you have no fucking idea what i am talking about
2558 2011-05-31 19:20:30 <jrmithdobbs> quite shittily
2559 2011-05-31 19:20:30 <metonymous> heheeh
2560 2011-05-31 19:20:40 <metonymous> how do i silence him
2561 2011-05-31 19:20:45 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yes it does, you can override the tx fee and set your own, or do you mean that thing where all fees only go to you?
2562 2011-05-31 19:20:48 <phantomcircuit> metonymous, /ignore
2563 2011-05-31 19:21:00 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: you can't set Eligius's fee schedule with your changes
2564 2011-05-31 19:21:14 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: then what is Eligius' fee schedule?
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2566 2011-05-31 19:21:29 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: 0.00004096 BTC per 512 bytes
2567 2011-05-31 19:21:38 <BlueMatt> meh, close enough you just have to do it per kb instead
2568 2011-05-31 19:21:54 <diki> <jrmithdobbs> metonymous: fuck that, at the point it appears pushpool has 99% of what he needs and he can just add a row called 'block_number' that gets updated any time upstream_result = 'Y'<- i've already implemented this
2569 2011-05-31 19:22:00 <diki> without you telling me jrmith
2570 2011-05-31 19:22:05 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, how did you arrive at that number
2571 2011-05-31 19:22:13 <sipa> phantomcircuit: don't ask
2572 2011-05-31 19:22:21 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i have to
2573 2011-05-31 19:22:22 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: 1 TBCáµ per BË¢ ;)
2574 2011-05-31 19:22:24 <BlueMatt> tonal...
2575 2011-05-31 19:22:25 <phantomcircuit> i cant help myself
2576 2011-05-31 19:22:30 <phantomcircuit> rofl
2577 2011-05-31 19:22:34 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, WHY
2578 2011-05-31 19:22:40 <phantomcircuit> WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????????????????????
2579 2011-05-31 19:22:57 * sipa -> portal 2
2580 2011-05-31 19:23:01 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: why not?
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2582 2011-05-31 19:23:19 <phantomcircuit> lol
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2589 2011-05-31 19:30:18 <samfisher> it seems value is goind down
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2591 2011-05-31 19:31:00 <jrmithdobbs> meh it bounces
2592 2011-05-31 19:31:11 <jrmithdobbs> and wrong channel
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2594 2011-05-31 19:32:07 <samfisher> jrmithdobbs: where can i go?
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2597 2011-05-31 19:33:50 <Xenland> Someone want to do me a favor an SSH an IP address for me and tell me if it allows you to type in a password?
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2599 2011-05-31 19:34:27 <Xenland> They tell me my VPS is up but, its definalty not
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2602 2011-05-31 19:34:59 <Xenland> I pinged, Nmap -sS, Then i had to nmap -sS -PN and the last one says "host up" but i still can't connect
2603 2011-05-31 19:35:09 <diki> Xenland:how far have you gone with the front-end?
2604 2011-05-31 19:35:19 <Xenland> scince yesterday?
2605 2011-05-31 19:35:27 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: ping
2606 2011-05-31 19:36:08 <Xenland> I fixed a security issue that someone pointed out to me. mmmm idk not much trying to get my VPS going so i can have a hackers compeition on my software
2607 2011-05-31 19:36:14 <diki> are you using bitcoind listtransactions?
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2609 2011-05-31 19:36:27 <Xenland> why would i use that?
2610 2011-05-31 19:36:37 <diki> for making a stats page with confirmed blocks etc
2611 2011-05-31 19:36:49 <diki> im pretty much stuck there
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2613 2011-05-31 19:37:40 <Xenland> If you look at my front-end code I calculate that a block has been solved when there is more money in the bitcoin wallet - (unpayed accounts)
2614 2011-05-31 19:37:49 <diki> you posted it?
2615 2011-05-31 19:37:51 <diki> where?
2616 2011-05-31 19:38:31 <Xenland> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10617.0
2617 2011-05-31 19:38:59 <Xenland> someone thinks you can MySql inject with a cookie but I think that scince the data goes through a function you can't do it but i could be wrong
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2619 2011-05-31 19:39:15 <Xenland> anyways just to be safe don't use my whole software until version 2
2620 2011-05-31 19:40:25 <diki> which function and file?
2621 2011-05-31 19:40:59 <Xenland> the checkCookie function
2622 2011-05-31 19:41:20 <Xenland> if you can recreate a mysql injection please do i give you permission to commence this action on my mp2.fleshvirus.com server
2623 2011-05-31 19:41:29 <Xenland> I'd like to see this in action
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2626 2011-05-31 19:45:18 <pwrcycle> ih Xenland
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2629 2011-05-31 19:46:38 <Xenland> hey there pwrcycle
2630 2011-05-31 19:49:29 <Xenland> do you know how to ssh pwrcycle?
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2634 2011-05-31 19:52:34 <BlueMatt> Xenland: man ssh?
2635 2011-05-31 19:53:17 <Xenland> I need someone to test a server for me. becuase i can't ssh and some people think on the forums that im stupid *nix user so i'd just like to verify that im not
2636 2011-05-31 19:53:34 <Xenland> soo i need someone to SSH a server and tell me if the password box shows up
2637 2011-05-31 19:53:55 <Xenland> on my end it always "hangs" then after 15 minutes it says timed out
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2639 2011-05-31 19:55:49 <pwrcycle> Xenland: yeah, i ssh all the time.
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2641 2011-05-31 19:56:29 <pwrcycle> i have about 18 ssh sessions running at the moment
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2643 2011-05-31 19:58:23 <ZOP> quick way to check if it's an ssh or firewall issue is good old telnet.
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2649 2011-05-31 20:00:28 <ZOP> i so seriously want to stab whatever dumbasses idea it was that touchpads should click when tapped in the eye with an icepick.
2650 2011-05-31 20:01:03 <intelliot> ZOP: that should be a preference you can change
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2652 2011-05-31 20:01:55 <iz> ZOP: why are you clicking your touchpad by tapping it in the eye with an icepick?
2653 2011-05-31 20:02:15 <iz> :b
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2655 2011-05-31 20:02:22 <ZOP> iz: :P
2656 2011-05-31 20:02:55 <samfisher> was is das: http://www.trucoin.com/
2657 2011-05-31 20:05:55 <diki> the only way to prolly get the txid is if i modify bitcoind to send the time of block generation to pushpool which will send it to pool
2658 2011-05-31 20:07:08 <diki> or the txid
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2663 2011-05-31 20:11:06 <diki> Bluematt, where in the bitcoin source code are the rpc requests(which are sent through 8332) get handled?
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2666 2011-05-31 20:11:59 <iz> diki: the functions for them are in rpc.cpp
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2668 2011-05-31 20:12:18 <BlueMatt> diki: ThreadRPCServer2 in rpc.cpp
2669 2011-05-31 20:12:35 <diki> no way to do what i wanted so it means that i need to send the txid or time to pushpool which is going to insert it into mysql
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2672 2011-05-31 20:13:03 <diki> meaning a custom bitcoind :(
2673 2011-05-31 20:13:08 <iz> diki: you would have to modify the miner clients then though
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2676 2011-05-31 20:13:19 <iz> if you want that data to go TO pushpool from miners
2677 2011-05-31 20:13:22 <diki> the miner clients have no part in this at all
2678 2011-05-31 20:13:27 <diki> you are wrong
2679 2011-05-31 20:13:31 <iz> oh, i misunderstood then
2680 2011-05-31 20:13:40 <diki> bitcoinD will send the txid/time to pushpool
2681 2011-05-31 20:13:49 <diki> pushpool will insert them into mysql
2682 2011-05-31 20:13:52 <iz> yeah, that's why i'm confused
2683 2011-05-31 20:13:53 <diki> that is everything :)
2684 2011-05-31 20:14:02 <iz> oh, i see
2685 2011-05-31 20:14:12 <diki> of course it depends on if it's possible
2686 2011-05-31 20:14:14 <diki> Bluematt?
2687 2011-05-31 20:14:34 <diki> Is it possible to send the txid or time(in unix) when a block is found to pushpool via rpc callback?
2688 2011-05-31 20:14:56 <jrmithdobbs> sure it's possible
2689 2011-05-31 20:15:00 <BlueMatt> diki: if you feel like modifying the code of bitcoin and pushpoold, anything is possible
2690 2011-05-31 20:15:19 <edcba> hmm lulzsec uses bitcoin
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2692 2011-05-31 20:15:41 <BlueMatt> edcba: are you surprised?
2693 2011-05-31 20:16:27 <iz> diki: i think you want to look at the getwork function in rpc.cpp then
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2699 2011-05-31 20:19:54 <diki> bluematt are you sure that is the function? it should be returning the keyword "result" in json format and if the hash was the right target(true)
2700 2011-05-31 20:20:12 <BlueMatt> diki: read iz's last comment
2701 2011-05-31 20:20:30 <jrmithdobbs> so
2702 2011-05-31 20:20:37 <jrmithdobbs> i'm trying to figure out the script stuff
2703 2011-05-31 20:20:51 <diki> bluematt, that is when pushpool is requesting a getwork
2704 2011-05-31 20:20:58 <jrmithdobbs> http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin-wiki/wiki/Script.html#Scripts
2705 2011-05-31 20:21:01 <diki> i am talking when the pool sends the share for checking
2706 2011-05-31 20:21:11 <diki> and if result=true, then i've generated a block
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2708 2011-05-31 20:21:26 <BlueMatt> diki: getwork is used for returning and getting
2709 2011-05-31 20:21:55 <jrmithdobbs> so the scriptPubKey is concatenated onto scriptSig, right?
2710 2011-05-31 20:22:44 <jrmithdobbs> so that example of a "standard transaction to a bitcoin address" is as straight forward as it seems? except with <sig> <pubKey> and <pubKeyHash> replaced with their respective OP_PUSHDATA calls in front of them?
2711 2011-05-31 20:22:50 <diki> seems CheckWork does the business
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2714 2011-05-31 20:24:50 <diki> but it's not json encoded..
2715 2011-05-31 20:24:59 <edcba> BlueMatt: i wouldn't use such a traceable money
2716 2011-05-31 20:25:21 <BlueMatt> edcba: bitcoin isnt traceable if you try really hard
2717 2011-05-31 20:25:41 <edcba> yes i hope they are aware of that
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2722 2011-05-31 20:27:16 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: yes
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2728 2011-05-31 20:30:36 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: ok and in that example what is signed or does it matter so long as the sig matches the pubkey?
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2730 2011-05-31 20:31:05 <jrmithdobbs> oh, wait, i get it, the script is signed
2731 2011-05-31 20:31:07 <jrmithdobbs> yes?
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2733 2011-05-31 20:31:45 * qwebirc27678 test bitcoints
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2736 2011-05-31 20:34:41 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: the scripts - after removing the signatures themselves - is signed
2737 2011-05-31 20:35:04 <diki> when i think about all the dependencies i wish i didnt have to compile
2738 2011-05-31 20:35:14 <diki> anyway, i am going to wait for a stable .22
2739 2011-05-31 20:35:21 <diki> then i am going to try my methods
2740 2011-05-31 20:35:49 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: right so the scriptPubKey: script is signed and the scriptSig is prepended to the script when actually transmitted on the wire
2741 2011-05-31 20:36:06 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: is what i was trying to say and did so very badly
2742 2011-05-31 20:37:05 microsoft is now known as lolcat
2743 2011-05-31 20:37:19 <iz> so i'm still learning.. but do the miner apps increment the nTime in the block header themselves?
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2745 2011-05-31 20:38:13 <sipa> iz: if they support it, and the pool allows them to
2746 2011-05-31 20:38:32 <iz> but otherwise.. the pool needs to update them every second?
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2748 2011-05-31 20:39:47 <sipa> on every request, yes
2749 2011-05-31 20:40:08 <sipa> they always have to do it on every request
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2751 2011-05-31 20:40:29 <sipa> but if miners increment ntime themselves, less frequent requests are needed (when combined with long polling)
2752 2011-05-31 20:40:31 <iz> so will other peer confirm a solved block that has a time that is kinda old? (but not older than the last solved block)
2753 2011-05-31 20:40:49 <sipa> quite some variance in the time is allowed
2754 2011-05-31 20:40:52 <BlueMatt> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10923.0
2755 2011-05-31 20:41:01 <iz> ah, i see.. that makes sense
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2758 2011-05-31 20:42:28 <sipa> BlueMatt: without having checked the code - is it about the default fee used by the client, or the one used for accepting into memory pool or blocks?
2759 2011-05-31 20:42:49 <BlueMatt> sipa: neither, its exclusively about what the user can/cant specify
2760 2011-05-31 20:43:38 <sipa> hmmm?
2761 2011-05-31 20:44:37 <BlueMatt> you are allowed to override the transaction fee the client forces you to use, also it clears up the messages quite a bit
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2763 2011-05-31 20:45:17 <BlueMatt> and rpc transactions can be temporary so that when you call send* it just returns a txid you can see with gettransaction the committransaction or rejecttransaction
2764 2011-05-31 20:46:01 <sipa> sounds good
2765 2011-05-31 20:46:07 <BlueMatt> ie in CreateTransaction, it sets fee based on max(GetMinFee(), nTransactionFee * (1+kb))
2766 2011-05-31 20:46:18 <BlueMatt> now its the same by default, or you can say ignore GetMinFee()
2767 2011-05-31 20:46:32 <BlueMatt> (but it is very strongly worded against doing that)
2768 2011-05-31 20:47:23 <BlueMatt> "If a transaction requires a fee larger than you specified above in order for it to likely be accepted by the network, the client will override your settings and ask if you wish to send with the appropriate fee. You may override this option, however it is likely that your transactions will not be relayed through the network and will never be confirmed."
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2771 2011-05-31 20:49:07 <sipa> i was thinking about suggesting a completely new fee-prioritization/relaying policy, where no tx is ever certainly dropped
2772 2011-05-31 20:49:17 <sipa> but it still needs thinking :)
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2774 2011-05-31 20:50:21 <diki> what is the equivalent of explode in C?
2775 2011-05-31 20:50:54 <diki> explode is a php function
2776 2011-05-31 20:51:10 <BlueMatt> sipa: meh, I prefer it being a bit more deterministic...and tbh I dont think there is much/anything wrong with the current fee schedule (aside from the fact that no users understand it)
2777 2011-05-31 20:51:29 <sipa> it's too complicated, i think
2778 2011-05-31 20:51:35 <sipa> more than necessary
2779 2011-05-31 20:51:35 <BlueMatt> though support for microtransactions needs to be thought out, as Id like to see their support, but I have yet to hear a good solution to that...
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2781 2011-05-31 20:52:16 <BlueMatt> sipa: its really not *that* complicated, though the calls to GetMinFee() could be standardized a bit more (they are different for relay than for creation, and further different for block gen)
2782 2011-05-31 20:52:58 <sipa> and i don't mean not deterministic, rather favoring delaying over dropping, only dropping when the memory pool becomes too large
2783 2011-05-31 20:53:08 <BlueMatt> its coded complicated, but its actually not when you work it all out
2784 2011-05-31 20:54:17 <sipa> i specifically don't like the free-tx zone :)
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2786 2011-05-31 20:54:25 <BlueMatt> imo we dont need to burden all nodes with holding txes to be delayed in memory, nodes should retransmit when their prio gets higher as txins age
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2788 2011-05-31 20:55:02 <BlueMatt> oh, I quite disagree free tx zone is a solution to a problem...or I agree that I dont like it, but I have yet to see a better solution, so...
2789 2011-05-31 20:55:13 <sipa> yes indeed
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2792 2011-05-31 20:56:00 <sipa> well, i'd favor something where everything gets combined into a single priority, transactions are ordered according to it, and the bottom ones are dropped from the memory pool if there are too many
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2794 2011-05-31 20:56:26 <sipa> and aging always increases priority, so every tx is eventually included (if it doesn't get kicked out)
2795 2011-05-31 20:57:04 <sipa> re-announcing after significant aging may be useful
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2799 2011-05-31 20:58:14 <BlueMatt> yea...that seems mostly fair, though imho a non-fee'd tx has infinitely smaller prio than a feed tx...but Im no huge miner so maybe we need to ask ArtForzZz [Tycho] and such for comments
2800 2011-05-31 20:58:58 <BlueMatt> this is really a topic which needs a solid discussion with all involved parties (miners, users, etc) but not something that the forum trolls that regular forum.bitcoin.org should need to own...
2801 2011-05-31 21:00:32 <Archevety> which files should I start with? I'm new to the source, any tips?
2802 2011-05-31 21:01:06 <BlueMatt> Archevety: depends on what you want to do...
2803 2011-05-31 21:01:33 <Archevety> \msg BlueMatt I just wan't to get an overview of it
2804 2011-05-31 21:01:54 <BlueMatt> sipa: maybe you could write up a nicely-formatted suggestions forum topic with several clearly-defined suggestions and let people respond ;)
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2806 2011-05-31 21:02:06 <BlueMatt> though I havent heard many good suggestions yet...
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2811 2011-05-31 21:02:43 <BlueMatt> Archevety: again, you need to know what you want to know going in...the wiki isnt terrible if you just want a good overview
2812 2011-05-31 21:03:06 <Archevety> can't reach the wiki
2813 2011-05-31 21:03:24 <BlueMatt> I mean you could just open up one file and see where that leads you...most of the junk is in main.cpp, scripting stuff is all in script.cpp, net in net.cpp, you get the point
2814 2011-05-31 21:04:43 <Archevety> yeah, I just started with it, I'll guess I continue that way
2815 2011-05-31 21:05:05 <BlueMatt> sipa: btw, it looks like the bitcoin-desc.yml you used to build with was the one from the bitcoin repo, you need to use the one from my gitian0.3.22 branch which has some wx patches for ubuntu 11.04
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2819 2011-05-31 21:06:53 <sipa> BlueMatt: ah, that'd explain
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2821 2011-05-31 21:08:43 <Thomas^> any1 knowledgable about the actual implementation of the broadcast of ransactions and blocks?
2822 2011-05-31 21:09:12 <jrmithdobbs> Thomas^: ask
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2824 2011-05-31 21:10:09 <jrmithdobbs> wow that's a lot of refs
2825 2011-05-31 21:10:13 <jrmithdobbs> 6.3M .git
2826 2011-05-31 21:10:50 <jrmithdobbs> Thomas^: ask in channel
2827 2011-05-31 21:10:56 <nevezen> I don't get it, what command should I issue gribble to identify via gpg?
2828 2011-05-31 21:10:56 <jrmithdobbs> Thomas^: and short answer is, yes
2829 2011-05-31 21:11:08 <jrmithdobbs> Thomas^: such attacks are possible but not particularly feasible
2830 2011-05-31 21:11:30 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: your .git is much larger than mine, and I have the remotes of about 10 people in mine
2831 2011-05-31 21:11:36 <Thomas^> <Thomas^> I wonder whether one couldnt flood the network with malicious nodes who would answer queries according to their own (slowly growing database) instead of the correct one
2832 2011-05-31 21:11:37 <Thomas^> <Thomas^> of course the proof or work prevents to fool the honest nodes but if you have enough malicious nodes then the likelihood that a client would ever see what an honest node believes is negligible
2833 2011-05-31 21:11:42 <BlueMatt> (my .git is 38 k)
2834 2011-05-31 21:12:04 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: aye i've got 7 non-origin remotes
2835 2011-05-31 21:12:09 <jrmithdobbs> and a few branches active
2836 2011-05-31 21:12:39 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: think it's luke's that making it huge
2837 2011-05-31 21:12:43 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: I have 20 non-origin remotes
2838 2011-05-31 21:12:44 <jrmithdobbs> must be a tonal rounding error
2839 2011-05-31 21:12:49 <jrmithdobbs> <3
2840 2011-05-31 21:13:19 <gjs278> tonal can have no errors
2841 2011-05-31 21:13:23 <gjs278> what it does, it does on purpose
2842 2011-05-31 21:13:35 <BlueMatt> Thomas^: sort of...its called a sybil attack (where you try to get so many nodes that the only nodes a person connects to is your malicious nodes) if you search for sybil bitcoin you should find some good discussion on that
2843 2011-05-31 21:13:40 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: yes but the un-tonal git may not understand it and may introduce rounding errors into the system
2844 2011-05-31 21:13:59 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: and one of my remotes is luke's branch
2845 2011-05-31 21:14:25 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: are you sure your .git size isnt 5.X kb instead of mb?
2846 2011-05-31 21:14:27 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: i think i pulled in one recently that had all the <2.19 tags and stuff that may be the culprit, don't really care ;P
2847 2011-05-31 21:14:52 <jrmithdobbs> mith@dair:0:~/src/bitcoin$ du -hcs .git
2848 2011-05-31 21:14:52 <jrmithdobbs> 6.3M .git
2849 2011-05-31 21:14:54 <jrmithdobbs> positive
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2851 2011-05-31 21:15:18 <BlueMatt> oh...it reads out in kb instead of bytes by default...well mine is 40MB ;{
2852 2011-05-31 21:15:24 <BlueMatt> :P *
2853 2011-05-31 21:15:37 <jrmithdobbs> prly need to be gc'ed tbqh
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2855 2011-05-31 21:15:49 <Thomas^> well I looked for Sybill atack &bitcom but it seemed to me only to cover the case when I try to change the actual database but not when I present clients my own ersion of it while ignoring the official databse...
2856 2011-05-31 21:15:49 <BlueMatt> ENOPARSE
2857 2011-05-31 21:15:50 <jrmithdobbs> that makes a lot more sense, haha
2858 2011-05-31 21:16:09 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: git gc --agressive
2859 2011-05-31 21:16:27 <jgarzik> git gc --aggressive --prune=now
2860 2011-05-31 21:16:28 <jrmithdobbs> with aggressive spelled right
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2862 2011-05-31 21:17:00 <BlueMatt> meh, 40mb isnt much
2863 2011-05-31 21:17:06 <jrmithdobbs> ya, down to 2.6mb, that's much more reasonable
2864 2011-05-31 21:17:17 <BlueMatt> though Id like to see how big jgarzik's kernel git folder is ;P
2865 2011-05-31 21:18:00 <jgarzik> [jgarzik@bd linux-2.6]$ du -ks .git
2866 2011-05-31 21:18:01 <jgarzik> 468656 .git
2867 2011-05-31 21:18:19 <jrmithdobbs> sounds about right
2868 2011-05-31 21:18:32 <jgarzik> you want to 'git gc' because it collects all those individual commits into a single file. less inode abuse.
2869 2011-05-31 21:18:42 <jrmithdobbs> right
2870 2011-05-31 21:18:50 <BlueMatt> yep
2871 2011-05-31 21:19:39 <jrmithdobbs> unlike subversion which specifically wants all that splat out into individual files so that the most bad possible will always happen whenever the smallest issue arises
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2875 2011-05-31 21:23:00 <jrmithdobbs> ok i'm confusing myself
2876 2011-05-31 21:23:50 <jrmithdobbs> oh sweet, i just found the 'shut up safari close the whole fucking window i dont care if there are tabs open' button on accident
2877 2011-05-31 21:24:08 <jrmithdobbs> unfortunately i did not want to do that at this time, ha
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2884 2011-05-31 21:32:01 <Thomas^> jrmithdobbs: thanks found another site that was more elaborative on sbill than the first... Though with the approach to foster connections to friend we are at the old idea of Phil's web of trust...
2885 2011-05-31 21:33:47 <jrmithdobbs> Thomas^: pretty much. luckily the network is large enough at this point to make sybil attacks pretty hard
2886 2011-05-31 21:34:04 <jrmithdobbs> Thomas^: fun comes in when you find the little issues where you only need to sybil a select set of targets
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2888 2011-05-31 21:34:55 <Thomas^> jrmithdobbs: indeed
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2905 2011-05-31 21:52:28 <darbsllim> MagicalTux are you around?
2906 2011-05-31 21:52:53 <MagicalTux> yep
2907 2011-05-31 21:53:01 <MagicalTux> wiki down => I know => fixed this morning (JST)
2908 2011-05-31 21:53:18 <darbsllim> are you guys releasing some new api stuff otmorrow?
2909 2011-05-31 21:53:36 <darbsllim> We're integrating to MtGox's payment api for merchants, wondering if we shoudl hold off
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2914 2011-05-31 21:55:36 <MagicalTux> darbsllim: new merchant api will come soon after the new backend
2915 2011-05-31 21:55:38 <MagicalTux> in june
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2917 2011-05-31 21:56:44 <darbsllim> MagicalTux so we should launch with the Smarty bits for now?
2918 2011-05-31 21:57:06 <darbsllim> we're not familiar with Smarty that's why I asked
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2920 2011-05-31 21:57:46 <MagicalTux> Smarty bits?
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2934 2011-05-31 22:13:10 <darbsllim> MagicalTux yeh I guess the API uses the smarty engine
2935 2011-05-31 22:13:25 <MagicalTux> I don't think so
2936 2011-05-31 22:14:18 <darbsllim> are we looking at the wrong place maybe?
2937 2011-05-31 22:15:03 <darbsllim> Doesn't MtGox API use the smarty template framework? It's a library that allows the creation of HTML templates taht are imported and used in PHP.
2938 2011-05-31 22:15:16 <darbsllim> oh wait
2939 2011-05-31 22:15:17 <darbsllim> sorry
2940 2011-05-31 22:15:24 <darbsllim> we're looking at the wrong place
2941 2011-05-31 22:15:25 <darbsllim> 8f
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2943 2011-05-31 22:16:46 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: just got around to looking through this half node...it looks like it would be *very* easy to make a script which just goes around looking for nodes, so Ill do that myself...thanks
2944 2011-05-31 22:17:06 <BlueMatt> (plus I havent done anything in php in a long time, so I might as well)
2945 2011-05-31 22:17:15 <MagicalTux> BlueMatt: it was made to be easy
2946 2011-05-31 22:17:37 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: well thank you
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2954 2011-05-31 22:23:08 <devon_hillard> has bitcoin made any difference in the sales of AMD cards? :)
2955 2011-05-31 22:23:12 <devon_hillard> compared to nvidia
2956 2011-05-31 22:23:27 <gjs278> yes
2957 2011-05-31 22:23:36 <BlueMatt> would be impossible to tell, nvidias offerings in the past years have gotten further unable to compete
2958 2011-05-31 22:23:36 <gjs278> go try and buy any 58xx or 59xx card
2959 2011-05-31 22:23:38 <gjs278> they're all out
2960 2011-05-31 22:23:49 <BlueMatt> do they even make 59xxs anymore?
2961 2011-05-31 22:23:50 <gjs278> you can still buy any of the old nvidia crap
2962 2011-05-31 22:23:55 <devon_hillard> stocks were never that high to begin with
2963 2011-05-31 22:24:00 <BlueMatt> exactly
2964 2011-05-31 22:24:00 <gjs278> 58xx was
2965 2011-05-31 22:24:06 <BlueMatt> its impossible to tell
2966 2011-05-31 22:24:21 <BlueMatt> yea a ton are bought, but how many would have been bought anyway?
2967 2011-05-31 22:24:21 <zamgo> how many blocks until generated coins become mature?
2968 2011-05-31 22:24:27 <gjs278> well
2969 2011-05-31 22:24:36 <edcba> maybe amd would accept bitcoin as payment... :)
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2971 2011-05-31 22:24:39 <BlueMatt> 100 is required, client makes you wait 120 (as it could otherwise cause other issues)
2972 2011-05-31 22:24:43 <gjs278> in comparison, you can still see the 460's and 560s and all of that on newegg still
2973 2011-05-31 22:24:48 <devon_hillard> well, it's a coincidental difference in hardware, an otherwise equally priced and powered nvidia card is as good as an AMD as far as gaming is concerned
2974 2011-05-31 22:25:05 <zamgo> ok, 120
2975 2011-05-31 22:25:06 <zamgo> thanks
2976 2011-05-31 22:25:09 <gjs278> not sure the equivalent but I think bitcoin definitely had something to do with the stock draining earlier than planned at least
2977 2011-05-31 22:25:43 <devon_hillard> but if fpga mining takes off, I expect altera and xilinx folks to be smiling
2978 2011-05-31 22:25:54 <darbsllim> BlueMatt what are the nodes?
2979 2011-05-31 22:26:03 <gmaxwell> it's not taking off unless they drop their margins a lot. :)
2980 2011-05-31 22:26:22 <devon_hillard> well, right now they don't sell to amateurs
2981 2011-05-31 22:26:30 <gjs278> the 5850 I bought on may 1st is going to double itself in income earned vs cost in 2 days
2982 2011-05-31 22:26:34 <devon_hillard> except for the starter learning kits (way underpowered)
2983 2011-05-31 22:26:43 <gmaxwell> devon_hillard: you can buy their products in various quantites directly from electronics suppliers.
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2985 2011-05-31 22:27:06 <gmaxwell> the same way they sell to people who are buying less then hundreds of thousands.
2986 2011-05-31 22:27:15 <pwrcycle> can anyone give me an example of share block that was successful?
2987 2011-05-31 22:27:20 <gmaxwell> And the q1 prices are not so different from q10000.
2988 2011-05-31 22:27:34 <gmaxwell> pwrcycle: anything listed in block explorerâ¦
2989 2011-05-31 22:27:59 <gmaxwell> devon_hillard: all of the really big stuff is stupid expensive in terms of $/LU.
2990 2011-05-31 22:28:11 <devon_hillard> LU?
2991 2011-05-31 22:28:22 <pwrcycle> gmaxwell: i'm looking for how the line looks in share.log from pushpool
2992 2011-05-31 22:28:50 <gmaxwell> devon_hillard: logic unit. The effective unit of size on fpgas.
2993 2011-05-31 22:28:57 <jrmithdobbs> pwrcycle:
2994 2011-05-31 22:28:58 <jrmithdobbs> [2011-05-25 23:48:30.888115] ::ffff:10.253.253.53 test Y Y - 0000000141dc888533ef4b4980e45352c0f79f3c6d7a956e2350eaf20000072700000000f12395ef266ed06f0bd12b8e90246c96da5fd75392e4c33d53df78082a6dd6f84ddd952d1a44b9f22292fdf3000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
2995 2011-05-31 22:29:19 <pwrcycle> jrmithdobbs: thnx. ok, it's the second Y
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2997 2011-05-31 22:29:28 <jrmithdobbs> pwrcycle: ya, which is upstream_result in the db schema
2998 2011-05-31 22:29:43 <devon_hillard> they say the market rally stops when the last bear becomes a bull
2999 2011-05-31 22:29:46 <BlueMatt> darbsllim: ???
3000 2011-05-31 22:29:52 <devon_hillard> I am still bearish on BTC :p
3001 2011-05-31 22:30:28 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: importDump.php sucks and i blame you
3002 2011-05-31 22:30:33 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: <3
3003 2011-05-31 22:30:44 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: oops yea, it's nice and super fast!
3004 2011-05-31 22:31:07 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: it's not even started spitting shit into the db and it's only a 64M dump!
3005 2011-05-31 22:31:17 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: started spinning like 15 minutes ago
3006 2011-05-31 22:31:38 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: you really should be just backing up the full database rather than using the xml dumpsâ¦
3007 2011-05-31 22:31:42 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: bringing up a local bitcoin wiki mirror so i can read the protocol/etc bits in a decent format
3008 2011-05-31 22:31:51 <gmaxwell> ah.
3009 2011-05-31 22:31:59 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: all i gots to work from is the xml dumps :(
3010 2011-05-31 22:33:22 <pwrcycle> jrmithdobbs: what does it mean when there's Y N ?? invalid or someone else solved it before?
3011 2011-05-31 22:33:25 <darbsllim> BlueMatt I was just curious what you meant about it being easy to make a script which goes around looking for nodes - what do the nodes do, and what is the benefit of writing a script that looks for nodes?
3012 2011-05-31 22:33:42 <diki> ah, a raw share
3013 2011-05-31 22:33:44 <BlueMatt> darbsllim: node == a client in the bitcoin network
3014 2011-05-31 22:33:44 <diki> cool
3015 2011-05-31 22:33:49 <gjs278> start at 1.1.1.1
3016 2011-05-31 22:33:53 <jrmithdobbs> pwrcycle: one or the other, yes
3017 2011-05-31 22:33:54 <gjs278> work your way up to 255.255.255.255
3018 2011-05-31 22:34:05 * diki goes to research sending txid when block is found
3019 2011-05-31 22:34:11 <darbsllim> BlueMatt oh thanks, duh hehe
3020 2011-05-31 22:34:21 <darbsllim> BlueMatt what would be the purpose for a script that finds nods?
3021 2011-05-31 22:34:40 <BlueMatt> darbsllim: to get a list so that bootstrapping works
3022 2011-05-31 22:34:54 <darbsllim> BlueMatt bootstrapping?
3023 2011-05-31 22:34:59 <pwrcycle> btw, i'm looking to stress test http://pool.cloakvpn.com if anyone wants to try it out
3024 2011-05-31 22:36:02 <BlueMatt> darbsllim: when you first open your node, it has to get a list of nodes which it can try to connect to from somewhere...
3025 2011-05-31 22:36:57 <darbsllim> ah kk
3026 2011-05-31 22:37:11 <darbsllim> MagicalTux do you recommend people use MtGox to hold their bitcoins instead of MyBItCoin.com?
3027 2011-05-31 22:37:22 <eps1> ;;bc,mtgox
3028 2011-05-31 22:37:23 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.4998,"low":8.1,"vol":45051,"buy":8.71,"sell":8.74,"last":8.71}}
3029 2011-05-31 22:37:53 <MagicalTux> darbsllim: I recommend nothing, just use the bitcoin service you want, or use your own bitcoin client if you feel safe about it (a hard disk crash could be fatal if you don't do proper backups)
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3031 2011-05-31 22:37:59 <edcba> the best to hold your bitcoins is your wallet in your computer...
3032 2011-05-31 22:38:07 <diki> it's really cool how one function brings me to another
3033 2011-05-31 22:38:24 <darbsllim> MagicalTux maybe you guys should market MtGox as a wallet - I didn't realize it was a wallet, I thoguht it was just a paymenmt exchanger
3034 2011-05-31 22:40:46 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, sipa, tcatm: emailed Gavin "ready for release" email. Should be just ok to rename -rc6 to -final (i.e. a proper release candidate)
3035 2011-05-31 22:40:58 <darbsllim> MagicalTux - is MtGox a wallet? If I put BitCoins in MtGox, can I then ssend those bitcoins somewhere else?
3036 2011-05-31 22:41:06 <darbsllim> or do I have to cash them out?
3037 2011-05-31 22:41:18 <MagicalTux> I will love the day people will stop sending weird currencies to the mtgox euro account (I wrote "IN EURO" in big and bold, but people still send weird stuff)
3038 2011-05-31 22:41:22 <jgarzik> darbsllim: you can store bitcoins there, and send up to $1000 worth per day, AFAIK
3039 2011-05-31 22:41:25 <MagicalTux> darbsllim: yes, you can
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3042 2011-05-31 22:42:44 <darbsllim> how do you find your wallet ID?
3043 2011-05-31 22:42:57 <darbsllim> for people to send you bitcoin?
3044 2011-05-31 22:42:57 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ACK, and get ready for the PULLS
3045 2011-05-31 22:43:00 <edcba> you can do money transfer to mtgox ?
3046 2011-05-31 22:43:01 <BlueMatt> :)
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3048 2011-05-31 22:43:33 <pwrcycle> in the the share.log blocks, what are the first 72 characters called?
3049 2011-05-31 22:43:45 <sipa> jgarzik: ACK
3050 2011-05-31 22:43:56 <darbsllim> MagicalTux Does MtGox use a new wallet id every time a payment is sent?
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3053 2011-05-31 22:44:58 <cess80> ciao a tutti
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3055 2011-05-31 22:45:25 <dinox> jgarzik: Mind helping out with some bug in pushpoold which causes it to crash?
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3057 2011-05-31 22:46:20 <dinox> under high load, I'll should add
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3059 2011-05-31 22:47:25 <MagicalTux> darbsllim: yep
3060 2011-05-31 22:48:29 <darbsllim> MagicalTux how long does it take for a bitcoin payment to process into a mtgox wallet these days?
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3063 2011-05-31 22:49:33 <qwebirc87620> a german guy here who can tell me how can i buy bitcoins easy
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3065 2011-05-31 22:51:02 <MagicalTux> darbsllim: about 1 hour
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3067 2011-05-31 22:52:39 <diki> Bluematt: explain: wtx.GetHash().GetHex()
3068 2011-05-31 22:52:59 <BlueMatt> diki: gets the txid ie txhash in hex form
3069 2011-05-31 22:53:19 <diki> is it not like the one that is displayed on listtransactions?
3070 2011-05-31 22:54:09 <diki> should be it, no other references of it
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3073 2011-05-31 22:55:56 <diki> how exactly is a txid calculated? if it's possible to port it to php i may not need to "try" to modify either bitcoin or pushpool
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3115 2011-05-31 23:13:48 <diki> can i directly append to result this wtx.GetHash().GetHex()?
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3126 2011-05-31 23:24:59 <diki> i am going to build the headless ride....i mean bitcoind
3127 2011-05-31 23:25:04 <diki> do i need wx?
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3133 2011-05-31 23:33:58 <diki> although i've installed miniupnpc files....bitcoind still can't find em
3134 2011-05-31 23:34:10 <gjs278> ,,bc,stats
3135 2011-05-31 23:34:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 127858 | Current Difficulty: 434882.7217497 | Next Difficulty At Block: 129023 | Next Difficulty In: 1165 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 52 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 494596.90301266
3136 2011-05-31 23:34:57 <phantomcircuit> lol
3137 2011-05-31 23:35:06 <phantomcircuit> fixed the stupid networking code
3138 2011-05-31 23:35:13 <gjs278> ,,bc,mtgox
3139 2011-05-31 23:35:13 <phantomcircuit> seriously took me 20 minutes
3140 2011-05-31 23:35:14 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.4998,"low":8.1,"vol":45971,"buy":8.6898,"sell":8.74,"last":8.65}}
3141 2011-05-31 23:35:14 <phantomcircuit> sigh
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3144 2011-05-31 23:38:31 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: our stupid networking code, I hope? ;-)
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3150 2011-05-31 23:41:03 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, yes client with my patch will get to 8 working connections almost immediately
3151 2011-05-31 23:41:08 <phantomcircuit> it's loverly
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3153 2011-05-31 23:41:19 <phantomcircuit> also a completely horrible hack, but it works
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3158 2011-05-31 23:44:21 <Grady2000> anyone know when the new client for lower 0.0005 fees is coming?
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3160 2011-05-31 23:44:56 <BlueMatt> Grady2000: as soon as it gets renamed to release, ie when gavin gives the final ACK
3161 2011-05-31 23:45:11 <BlueMatt> probably tomorrow, but maybe not till friday/saturday
3162 2011-05-31 23:45:20 <Grady2000> are thre any other clients ppl are using?
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3164 2011-05-31 23:48:03 <diki> bluematt i am getting errors with this upnpc shit...
3165 2011-05-31 23:48:10 <diki> miniupnpc
3166 2011-05-31 23:48:20 <diki> it's installed however bitcoind cant find em
3167 2011-05-31 23:48:36 <diki> the headers, so i copied them over now it gives error
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3169 2011-05-31 23:48:39 <diki> on functions etc
3170 2011-05-31 23:49:22 <jgarzik> dinox: sure
3171 2011-05-31 23:49:38 <jgarzik> dinox: got gdb backtraces or other symptom data?
3172 2011-05-31 23:50:09 <BlueMatt> diki: really man? rtfm
3173 2011-05-31 23:50:12 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, would you be interested in a pull to add timeout support?
3174 2011-05-31 23:50:16 <phantomcircuit> im guessing yes :P
3175 2011-05-31 23:50:27 <BlueMatt> timeout on what?
3176 2011-05-31 23:50:31 <phantomcircuit> connect
3177 2011-05-31 23:50:40 <diki> i read it
3178 2011-05-31 23:50:42 <phantomcircuit> it's an ugly hack
3179 2011-05-31 23:50:47 <diki> in fact it's what i followed
3180 2011-05-31 23:50:49 <diki> no dice
3181 2011-05-31 23:50:49 <phantomcircuit> but what in the networking code isn't
3182 2011-05-31 23:50:50 <phantomcircuit> :P
3183 2011-05-31 23:50:52 <BlueMatt> we dont already? (sorry I have never spent much time on networking code)
3184 2011-05-31 23:51:02 <BlueMatt> well obviously we do, but how long?
3185 2011-05-31 23:51:15 <BlueMatt> (the relevant syscalls have to timeout eventually?)
3186 2011-05-31 23:51:16 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: P2P or RPC?
3187 2011-05-31 23:51:17 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, currently a high % of users are experiencing significant issues with the connect call
3188 2011-05-31 23:51:20 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, p2p
3189 2011-05-31 23:51:30 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: data? what issues?
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3191 2011-05-31 23:51:39 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, the connect call times out based on the os default timeout, linux with syncookies that's uh like 5 minutes
3192 2011-05-31 23:51:42 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: oh, Im quite aware...Im working on a better dnsseed so that can completely replace irc seed eventually
3193 2011-05-31 23:51:48 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, they never connect to anybody
3194 2011-05-31 23:52:07 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, the problem isn't the seeding, it's that new peers aren't tried fast enough
3195 2011-05-31 23:52:21 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: % of nodes not accepting incoming connections means bootstrapping, or even connecting can take a *long* time
3196 2011-05-31 23:52:24 <phantomcircuit> it could take you days to find 8 connectable peers at 5 minutes per try
3197 2011-05-31 23:52:33 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: that is the second part of what needs to happen, yes
3198 2011-05-31 23:52:52 <BlueMatt> but is it not easy to set the timeout on the connections by just changing a param to the relevant syscalls?
3199 2011-05-31 23:52:54 <phantomcircuit> honestly irc bootstrap is working fine if you lower the connect timeout to 0.5 seconds
3200 2011-05-31 23:53:03 <BlueMatt> wow, that is a bit too low...
3201 2011-05-31 23:53:22 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, RTT to useful peers is basically never going to be 500 ms
3202 2011-05-31 23:53:25 <phantomcircuit> that's huge
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3205 2011-05-31 23:53:38 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, for blocking sockets there is no syscall to specify the timeout
3206 2011-05-31 23:53:59 <phantomcircuit> you have to turn the socket non blocking, then implement timeout, then go back to blocking
3207 2011-05-31 23:54:17 <BlueMatt> and that is what your patch does?
3208 2011-05-31 23:54:20 <phantomcircuit> yes
3209 2011-05-31 23:54:22 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: oh yeah, that part of P2P is totally broken
3210 2011-05-31 23:54:35 <BlueMatt> well if its clean, its got my ack
3211 2011-05-31 23:54:43 <phantomcircuit> not sure about the windows #ifdef yet since i cant get the cross compile to work though
3212 2011-05-31 23:54:45 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: in general, poor or unlucky peer selection can mean initial block download pauses of > 30 min
3213 2011-05-31 23:54:56 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, try days
3214 2011-05-31 23:55:09 <diki> I am getting an error at upnpDiscover. The compiler says it needs 9 arguments(for that function) but only 4 are supplied
3215 2011-05-31 23:55:11 <phantomcircuit> the % of connectable peers on irc is currently hovering around 15%
3216 2011-05-31 23:55:24 <jgarzik> definitely not lowering connect timeout to 0.5
3217 2011-05-31 23:55:31 <jgarzik> that's bad for the network
3218 2011-05-31 23:55:41 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, why not? how many peers have > 500 ms of latency?
3219 2011-05-31 23:55:52 <phantomcircuit> im gonna go with 0 legit ones
3220 2011-05-31 23:55:54 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: you'd be surprised
3221 2011-05-31 23:56:05 <BlueMatt> but a lower timeout is much needed
3222 2011-05-31 23:56:06 <jgarzik> connect and stream latency offer differ greatly
3223 2011-05-31 23:56:13 <jgarzik> *often
3224 2011-05-31 23:56:30 <jgarzik> lowering is fine. 0.5 is way, way too low.
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