1 2011-06-13 00:00:11 <xelister> dhmo may be used to build bombs
2 2011-06-13 00:00:20 <xtalmath> since DHMO is the most studied molecule, and the government is doing nothing, they must be in on it...
3 2011-06-13 00:00:33 <ArdaXi> xelister: If electrolysis is applied, even stronger bombs can be made.
4 2011-06-13 00:00:51 <OneFixt> dhmo has recently been involved in a torturing prisoners
5 2011-06-13 00:01:05 <ArtForzZz> recently? ;)
6 2011-06-13 00:01:07 <xtalmath> apparently Titanic sank due to solidified DHMO
7 2011-06-13 00:01:12 <ArdaXi> It's even used in cruel animal trials.
8 2011-06-13 00:01:15 <OneFixt> just now, in fact
9 2011-06-13 00:01:20 <OneFixt> and now
10 2011-06-13 00:01:21 <ArtForzZz> xtalmath: and liquid dhmo
11 2011-06-13 00:01:31 <xtalmath> true dat
12 2011-06-13 00:01:40 <OneFixt> ok ok, it's been used for torture since the beginning of time
13 2011-06-13 00:01:43 <ArtForzZz> yep
14 2011-06-13 00:01:44 <xtalmath> comets contain DHMO
15 2011-06-13 00:01:58 <ArdaXi> There is even solid DHMO on the moon!
16 2011-06-13 00:02:03 <xtalmath> and leave a galactic chem trail of DHMO
17 2011-06-13 00:02:11 <ArtForzZz> recent nasa studies suggest the moon also contains large amounts of dhmo
18 2011-06-13 00:02:11 <xelister> even kids are making bombs with dhmo
19 2011-06-13 00:02:15 <xelister> and throw at eachother
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21 2011-06-13 00:02:34 <OneFixt> there have been rockets powered by it
22 2011-06-13 00:02:42 <xelister> OneFixt: you suck
23 2011-06-13 00:02:49 <xtalmath> DHMO can be bought for ridiculously low prices
24 2011-06-13 00:02:49 <xelister> OneFixt: [01:56:34] <xelister> dhmo was used in tiny amounts by chinese since senturies to torture prisoners too
25 2011-06-13 00:02:55 <ArtForzZz> yep
26 2011-06-13 00:02:55 <xtalmath> DHMO guns*
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28 2011-06-13 00:03:09 <xelister> Mothers against DHMO
29 2011-06-13 00:03:13 <OneFixt> xelister: ah sorry, i joined late
30 2011-06-13 00:03:14 <ArtForzZz> ot... didn't someone get a politician to sign a anti-dhmo petition like a few years ago?
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32 2011-06-13 00:03:23 <ArdaXi> xtalmath: I have a DHMO gun at home. For... protection.
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34 2011-06-13 00:03:40 <xelister> police do use DHMO guns to stop protesters
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36 2011-06-13 00:03:47 <xtalmath> you also in the National DHMO Rifle Association?
37 2011-06-13 00:03:56 <ArdaXi> On April 1, 2010, Canadian Member of Parliament Andrew Scheer used the DHMO hoax as the basis for a"media release" on his web site, in which he claimed to have tabled a bill to ban the substance from all federal government buildings.
38 2011-06-13 00:03:58 <XX01XX> You know... four times as many kids are accidentally killed by DHMO each year than are accidentally killed by firearms
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41 2011-06-13 00:04:16 <xtalmath> I was shot by a huge DHMO police gun mounted on a truck, but survived...
42 2011-06-13 00:04:24 <xelister> xtalmath: lolz
43 2011-06-13 00:04:39 <xelister> xtalmath: did you got any mutations or illness after exposure
44 2011-06-13 00:05:05 <lorph> i just compiled pushpool but when i run it, it exits with code 1, any suggestions?
45 2011-06-13 00:05:08 <ArdaXi> There has actually been a law proposal to ban a production method involving DHMO, in California. I'm not kidding. I wish I was.
46 2011-06-13 00:05:18 <xtalmath> my body is still infected with at least 70% of DHMO but my doctor couldnt answer if that was mass or volume fraction
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49 2011-06-13 00:05:56 <ArtForzZz> ArdaXi: link?
50 2011-06-13 00:06:22 <xtalmath> coca cola contains DHMO
51 2011-06-13 00:06:39 <ArtForzZz> yeah, food industry has been using dhmo as a cheap filler for decades
52 2011-06-13 00:06:46 <ArdaXi> ArtForzZz: http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp The last paragraph.
53 2011-06-13 00:06:46 <xtalmath> but bitcoin of course, is completely DHMO free
54 2011-06-13 00:06:55 <ArdaXi> xtalmath: Certain miners use DHMO.
55 2011-06-13 00:07:04 <xelister> was dhmo not used to hibernate and imprison Luke Skywalker
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57 2011-06-13 00:07:16 <ArdaXi> In the same way nuclear plants use DHMO, actually.
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59 2011-06-13 00:07:22 <xelister> ArdaXi: you suck
60 2011-06-13 00:07:30 <ArdaXi> xelister: Aw. What makes you say that.
61 2011-06-13 00:07:46 <xelister> ArdaXi: [01:58:52] <xelister> dhmo was found in excessive amounts in Fukushima!!!
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63 2011-06-13 00:07:58 <xelister> ;)
64 2011-06-13 00:08:12 <ArdaXi> xelister: I thought that was the tsunami, actually
65 2011-06-13 00:08:19 <ArdaXi> Ah well.
66 2011-06-13 00:08:21 <xelister> ah
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68 2011-06-13 00:08:52 <xtalmath> Intensive scientific study pointed out that sexual liquids contained lots of DHMO
69 2011-06-13 00:08:53 <xelister> Fukushima explossion contain huge amounts of DHMO that was released to atmosphere causing irradiation. Also, dhmo was the primary reason of explosion
70 2011-06-13 00:08:55 <ArdaXi> Anyway, I need sleep, anyway. Enjoy your hydro-humour.
71 2011-06-13 00:09:10 <ArdaXi> See, there I used anyway twice. Night.
72 2011-06-13 00:09:10 <xelister> ArdaXi: ok
73 2011-06-13 00:09:17 <xelister> ArdaXi: do not DHMO-your bed
74 2011-06-13 00:09:22 <xtalmath> hahaha
75 2011-06-13 00:09:25 <xelister> <_<
76 2011-06-13 00:09:36 <ArdaXi> That's... a bit... good night.
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80 2011-06-13 00:12:40 <xelister> in borthels people usually exchange DHMO. Ban it. Please, think of the children
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82 2011-06-13 00:13:17 <xtalmath> earths DHMO caps are on the brink of melting, apocalypse is nearing
83 2011-06-13 00:13:46 <xtalmath> even fire can not fight DHMO
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85 2011-06-13 00:13:52 <gromgol> In which IRC server are the bitcoin nodes connecting?
86 2011-06-13 00:13:54 <jgarzik> heh, DHMO
87 2011-06-13 00:13:59 <jgarzik> gromgol: lfnet
88 2011-06-13 00:14:39 <gromgol> jgarzik: What happens if it goes down?
89 2011-06-13 00:14:51 <xtalmath> majorana mysteriously disappeared on a boat crossing... dhmo
90 2011-06-13 00:14:55 <jgarzik> gromgol: it takes a little bit longer to connect to the network
91 2011-06-13 00:15:23 <gromgol> But isn't IRC also used to transfer txns etc.?
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93 2011-06-13 00:15:40 <xtalmath> I was thinking the blockchain could in theory contain updated lists of bootstrap nodes
94 2011-06-13 00:15:43 <jrmithdobbs> really? i hate you osx
95 2011-06-13 00:15:44 <jrmithdobbs> :24: warning: format â%uâ expects type âunsigned intâ, but argument 2 has type âsize_tâ
96 2011-06-13 00:16:30 <xelister> btw ArtForzZz
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98 2011-06-13 00:16:34 <xtalmath> sounded less centralized than an irc server
99 2011-06-13 00:16:35 <xelister> ArtForzZz: how where the pigs? ;)
100 2011-06-13 00:16:49 <forrestv> xtalmath, if you can access the blockchain you're already connected to nodes ...
101 2011-06-13 00:17:04 <forrestv> gromgol, no
102 2011-06-13 00:17:07 <xtalmath> you d look at the blocks you have since last connection
103 2011-06-13 00:17:11 <eamon> is Poclbm-mod still better than poclbm?
104 2011-06-13 00:17:27 <forrestv> xtalmath, the client stores addresses and connects to those at startup, not just the bootstrap ones
105 2011-06-13 00:17:49 <xtalmath> ah...
106 2011-06-13 00:18:11 <xtalmath> then why do I never have more than say 8 nodes?
107 2011-06-13 00:18:50 <xelister> xtalmath: -maxconnections=90
108 2011-06-13 00:18:58 <xtalmath> forrestv: if thats true... then innocent IPs are being hammered everyday..
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110 2011-06-13 00:19:17 <gruez> xtalmath: open ports
111 2011-06-13 00:19:18 <xelister> xtalmath: tips @ 19g1uxSCVvRktvTehWauU7QVc4v1HJYSiC =)
112 2011-06-13 00:19:23 <forrestv> xtalmath, innocent?
113 2011-06-13 00:19:27 <xelister> yea and forward ports
114 2011-06-13 00:19:28 <forrestv> hammered?
115 2011-06-13 00:19:45 <xelister> there is hopefully some timeout
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117 2011-06-13 00:20:18 <gromgol> Okay so it's IRC and some hardcoded "high-availability" addresses to bootstrap bitcoin.
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121 2011-06-13 00:21:10 <xtalmath> xelister: tips? how many btc do you own?
122 2011-06-13 00:21:16 <xtalmath> me: 0.22
123 2011-06-13 00:21:33 <xelister> xtalmath: hmmm around 12
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125 2011-06-13 00:21:44 <xelister> =)
126 2011-06-13 00:22:08 <xtalmath> so you own me 50 times over
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128 2011-06-13 00:22:45 <xelister> your logic is not correct, commrad =)
129 2011-06-13 00:22:48 <jgarzik> gromgol: no, IRC has zero to do with bitcoin transfers
130 2011-06-13 00:23:06 <jgarzik> gromgol: IRC is -only- used for initial bootstrap, to find network nodes. After that, peer exchange is used.
131 2011-06-13 00:23:26 <jgarzik> and other bootstrap methods are available if you dislike IRC
132 2011-06-13 00:23:30 <xtalmath> internally the bitcoin client converts bitcoins to paypal values and trades on their trade API
133 2011-06-13 00:23:57 <xtalmath> -but still decentralized of course-
134 2011-06-13 00:24:00 <jgarzik> xtalmath: incorrect
135 2011-06-13 00:24:05 <xtalmath> i know
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138 2011-06-13 00:25:41 <gromgol> jgarzik: I see
139 2011-06-13 00:25:55 <gromgol> BTW, where are the additional hardcoded bootstrapping IPs defined in the source code?
140 2011-06-13 00:25:59 <gromgol> My grep regexp can't find them!
141 2011-06-13 00:26:21 <xtalmath> does any of you believe funds in goverments/companies corruptly go to buy bitcoins? i.e. a politician buys bitcoins (to which he now has the private key) with money which he is allowed to spend for governance, but not from his paycheck,... without transparency?
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143 2011-06-13 00:26:34 <jgarzik> gromgol: net.cpp, where the networking code lives
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145 2011-06-13 00:26:38 <gromgol> jgarzik: By 'peer exchange' you mean direct TCP/IP using the bitcoin protocol
146 2011-06-13 00:26:39 <xelister> xtalmath: sounds possibly
147 2011-06-13 00:26:52 <xtalmath> they can fire you, and put you in jail, but in the end of the ride, you still have the bitcoins
148 2011-06-13 00:26:54 <gromgol> jgarzik: I only managed to find the IP address of checkmyip and dyndns there.
149 2011-06-13 00:26:57 <jgarzik> gromgol: yes
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152 2011-06-13 00:27:06 <gromgol> jgarzik: aha
153 2011-06-13 00:27:12 <luke-jr> xtalmath: nonsense
154 2011-06-13 00:27:15 <luke-jr> xtalmath: they just take your key
155 2011-06-13 00:27:23 <jgarzik> gromgol: pnSeed and strDNSSeed
156 2011-06-13 00:27:52 <gromgol> Oh, jgarzik, thanks!
157 2011-06-13 00:27:58 <xtalmath> luke-jr: assuming the dude is smart enough to store the wallet on a usb key and bury it in the forrest before anyone finds out money is gone...
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159 2011-06-13 00:28:15 <Gxxxx> he could bury cash too
160 2011-06-13 00:28:15 <luke-jr> xtalmath: ok well, that's how the system is designed
161 2011-06-13 00:28:21 <jgarzik> store wallet? just print out the key on a sheet of paper.
162 2011-06-13 00:28:23 <jgarzik> USB key will die
163 2011-06-13 00:28:41 <xtalmath> Gxxxx: its hard to withdraw a huge amount of cash, easier to transfer money to buy bitcoins...
164 2011-06-13 00:29:58 <xtalmath> paper can rot, and is readable by others without further encryption
165 2011-06-13 00:30:14 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr getwork_dedupe * r02d87b3aa375 bitcoind-personal/main.cpp: Reset extraNonce only when prevBlock changes, so miners can continue updating the time on their work until it's stale http://tinyurl.com/6j4m67u
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167 2011-06-13 00:30:20 <ewal> anyone have a few testnet BTC to spare they could send me? testnet faucet seems to not be working. myLyaxe8NsqcAUneRzHyECnAMeE23KJJ7t I can send them back when I am done testing if you like.
168 2011-06-13 00:30:23 <xtalmath> instead of flash memory ... what is the most permanent digital storage medium nowadays?
169 2011-06-13 00:31:01 <zid`> tape
170 2011-06-13 00:31:01 <xtalmath> perhaps if somebody writes a bitcoin corruption tutorial governments will eat themselves?
171 2011-06-13 00:31:31 <xtalmath> that would be highly unethical though
172 2011-06-13 00:32:36 <xtalmath> that would be a HUGE elephant in the room if it comes out say a quarter of a nations GDP disappeared in bitcoin....
173 2011-06-13 00:32:41 <gavinandresen> ewal: testnet faucet should be working... https://testnet.freebitcoins.appspot.com/
174 2011-06-13 00:33:40 <zid`> what's the cluster speed on testnet?
175 2011-06-13 00:34:07 <zid`> no metrics?
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179 2011-06-13 00:37:03 <xtalmath> gavinandresen: how hard would it be to write a client for a blockchain, that allows eID cards to sign votes?
180 2011-06-13 00:37:09 <ewal> gavinandresen: hmm. transaction never showed up on my end. is there a place for testnet like http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/ that shows unconfirmed transactions waiting for blocks?
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182 2011-06-13 00:37:37 <gavinandresen> xtalmath: dunno
183 2011-06-13 00:38:00 <gavinandresen> ewal: not that I know of. blockexplorer.com/testnet will show them once they're in a block
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212 2011-06-13 01:19:33 <denisx> someone has a testnet wallet?
213 2011-06-13 01:19:47 <denisx> I need to spend some coins
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217 2011-06-13 01:22:16 <denisx> oh, sorry, I don't meant wallet, I meant a testnet address
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245 2011-06-13 01:42:59 <peter345978> I ahve testnet running and could use some coins⦠mvmatrfMBLhf41tNdu7yeP7YnV3f7s5c8H
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247 2011-06-13 01:45:04 <peter345978> denisx: that was for you⦠I mean, I'd appreciate any testnet coins you want to send me. mvmatrfMBLhf41tNdu7yeP7YnV3f7s5c8H
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249 2011-06-13 01:46:02 <denisx> Iam testing with small amount, do you need some more?
250 2011-06-13 01:46:07 <denisx> I can send you 20
251 2011-06-13 01:46:32 <peter345978> whatever is cool. Just paying myself, and I got a seed of from another dev here the other night.
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254 2011-06-13 01:46:38 <peter345978> playing -> playing
255 2011-06-13 01:46:44 <peter345978> paying -> playing
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263 2011-06-13 01:53:42 <peter345978> denisx: Thanks! I see them. Not confirmed yet, but I've noticed that testnet's blocks occur at a wide range of intervals. Any idea what causes that?
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265 2011-06-13 01:54:14 <denisx> nobody is mining on testnet maybe?
266 2011-06-13 01:54:55 <peter345978> I think so, but yet, my puny CPU mining doesn't yet results either? Is it perhaps the difficulty is at GPU level, yet only one or two machines doing it?
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268 2011-06-13 01:55:57 <clojure> peter345978, CPU have almost no chances vs GPUs (talking KH/s vs MH/s or even GH/s)
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270 2011-06-13 01:58:04 <gmaxwell> clojure: meh its not "almost no chances". They get the same payments gpus do, proportional to their speeds.
271 2011-06-13 01:58:30 <gmaxwell> If your cpu does 12 MH you'll get 1/10th the income you'd get from a GPU which does 120MH.
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274 2011-06-13 01:59:17 <clojure> gmaxwell, isn't that _if_ you solve the block before other on the network do?
275 2011-06-13 01:59:27 <peter345978> It's just not clear to me what miners are doing on testnet. I think there must be only one or two GPU machines active.
276 2011-06-13 02:00:17 <gmaxwell> clojure: Nah, thats not how it works. It's not a race. There is no limit on how many blocks can be solved. So someone can solve before you and then you can go on to solve a second later.
277 2011-06-13 02:00:53 <gmaxwell> clojure: there is no work lost when a block is solved by someone else (as there is no work conserved at all when you make a failed attempt)
278 2011-06-13 02:01:41 <clojure> gmaxwell, interesting. I asked a similar question yesterday and I understood from the answer that it was a race.
279 2011-06-13 02:02:01 <clojure> Only the client who brodcasts the right answer to the p2p gets the 50 coins
280 2011-06-13 02:02:18 <gmaxwell> clojure: the reason to not cpu mine is that you'll get very little (perhaps less than the power cost depending on the CPU and power prices), not none at all though.. and only because it's slow in an absolute sense.
281 2011-06-13 02:02:35 <gmaxwell> clojure: yes. Thats correct but it doesn't make it a race. It would be if there would only be one winner.
282 2011-06-13 02:02:48 <clojure> so, by what you are saying if you run any miner, you will get some fraction of a copy once you solve that block, even if that block has already been mined by other nodes.
283 2011-06-13 02:03:03 <forrestv> peter345978, i'm actively running a gpu on testnet
284 2011-06-13 02:03:18 <gmaxwell> clojure: the correct mental model is you and me standing around throwing dice. Everyone time we roll a 1 we get paid $1. If you roll 2x as fast you'll make more than me, but I'd still make the money all the same.
285 2011-06-13 02:03:32 <peter345978> forrestv: I see. Makes sense, and useful to the community.
286 2011-06-13 02:03:35 <clojure> gmaxwell, Thanks. I have to read/research more. I have some money to invest and I am debating if buying hardware is better than mining ( I am tecnical ).
287 2011-06-13 02:03:56 <gmaxwell> clojure: No you'll get some other block, not a fraction of a prior block.
288 2011-06-13 02:04:37 <mIKEjONES> if I wanted to start my own pool what should I use?
289 2011-06-13 02:04:38 <clojure> ( I am out to read the bitcoin paper ) I need to really understand this. Because I can buy a few coins, or I can mine them.
290 2011-06-13 02:04:41 <mIKEjONES> if I wanted to start my own pool what should I use as a server?
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292 2011-06-13 02:05:48 <gmaxwell> clojure: Yea, I have no advice for you there. I think running miners is fun. I'd do it without getting paid for it. Different people have different desires and risk tolerances.
293 2011-06-13 02:06:07 <clojure> gmaxwell, yep. Thanks
294 2011-06-13 02:06:14 <clojure> I like risk.
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297 2011-06-13 02:07:03 <cut> do i have to do something in pushpolld to get the recent work shares to be verified by upstream?
298 2011-06-13 02:07:38 <cut> upstream_result/reason column in shares table is all null
299 2011-06-13 02:07:57 <forrestv> can somebody send me some testnet coins? preferably a lot?
300 2011-06-13 02:08:15 <forrestv> i don't want to wait a day to collect some generated coins and i'm trying to test something
301 2011-06-13 02:08:35 <gmaxwell> forrestv: the faucet doesn't have a billion?
302 2011-06-13 02:08:46 <forrestv> oh, there's a faucet?
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304 2011-06-13 02:10:05 <gmaxwell> https://testnet.freebitcoins.appspot.com/
305 2011-06-13 02:10:21 <gmaxwell> only giving away 5.. used to give away 50.
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307 2011-06-13 02:11:15 <denisx> re
308 2011-06-13 02:11:30 <forrestv> yeah... anybody have 1000 lying around? i'll return them if you want
309 2011-06-13 02:13:38 <denisx> I only have 329
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311 2011-06-13 02:15:45 <forrestv> denisx, that's good ... n1ZdBmVih5VU7d5Wguuw2L6BkZvwwqNJRN if you don't mind ... i can return them tomorrow, i have 1000 maturing
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313 2011-06-13 02:16:03 <mIKEjONES> anyone seen satoshi around? he told me he'd be on in at :15
314 2011-06-13 02:16:15 <denisx> forrestv: I need some for testing too
315 2011-06-13 02:16:21 <denisx> I could send you 100
316 2011-06-13 02:16:23 <forrestv> ah
317 2011-06-13 02:16:25 <forrestv> ok
318 2011-06-13 02:16:53 <etotheipi> I get this error under Win7 x64 when attempting to use the official client (0.3.22): http://i.imgur.com/90TbB.png
319 2011-06-13 02:17:10 <etotheipi> I hope this is the correct channel ;-P
320 2011-06-13 02:17:26 <denisx> etotheipi: I don't think o
321 2011-06-13 02:17:28 <denisx> so
322 2011-06-13 02:17:44 <etotheipi> should I report it in #bitcoin instead?
323 2011-06-13 02:18:11 <clojure> Do I need to install a newer version of my client (3.22-beta) for my bitcoin address be considered valid at the testnet-faucet?
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326 2011-06-13 02:19:54 <clojure> I get an error (Invalid Bitcoin address.) when I submit
327 2011-06-13 02:21:16 <peter345978> Does it start with 'n' or 'm' ⦠needs to be a testnet address.
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330 2011-06-13 02:22:04 <clojure> Nope. How can I generate a new address that falls in the range of testnet.? Do I need a new client ?
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332 2011-06-13 02:23:06 <peter345978> No, just take what you have, and enable testnet⦠"testnet=1" in bitcoin.conf; restart. Re-download the block chain (not long)
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334 2011-06-13 02:23:22 <peter345978> Doesn't touch your existing data/coins.
335 2011-06-13 02:24:41 <clojure> ok, thanks
336 2011-06-13 02:26:33 <mIKEjONES> what is the difference between finding a nonce that works and solving for a block?
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338 2011-06-13 02:28:52 <forrestv> mIKEjONES, nothing
339 2011-06-13 02:30:37 <mIKEjONES> so... when a pool gives me a share what exactly is that?
340 2011-06-13 02:30:46 <lorph> what does H-not-zero mean
341 2011-06-13 02:31:02 <mIKEjONES> am I getting credit for a nonce that works? if so, I can't believe I'm finding blocks at a rate of 1 every couple of minuts
342 2011-06-13 02:31:06 <mIKEjONES> minutes*
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344 2011-06-13 02:32:05 <wistiu> mIKEjONES: nice supercomputer
345 2011-06-13 02:33:22 <mIKEjONES> so when I solve for a block shouldn't the network block number increment?
346 2011-06-13 02:33:29 <mIKEjONES> [2011-06-12 22:20:56] PROOF OF WORK RESULT: true (yay!!!)
347 2011-06-13 02:33:35 <mIKEjONES> ^ that's the message I'm refering to
348 2011-06-13 02:33:57 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: those are shares, not blocks
349 2011-06-13 02:34:04 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: also, don't use Deepbit
350 2011-06-13 02:34:07 <wistiu> what pool are you in mIKEjONES?
351 2011-06-13 02:34:14 <wistiu> luke-jr: why not
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353 2011-06-13 02:34:39 <mIKEjONES> wistiu: deepbit :S
354 2011-06-13 02:34:40 <luke-jr> wistiu: because it destabilizes the entire Bitcoin ecosystem
355 2011-06-13 02:34:50 <wistiu> luke-jr: are you running a competing pool ?
356 2011-06-13 02:34:55 <mIKEjONES> luke-jr: so what is a share?
357 2011-06-13 02:35:02 <luke-jr> wistiu: http://eligius.st or #Eligius
358 2011-06-13 02:35:18 <wistiu> i c... so you would benefit from ppl switching from deepbit to your pool
359 2011-06-13 02:35:23 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: a difficulty-1 block, not accepted by the network, but proof that you're working
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361 2011-06-13 02:35:34 <luke-jr> wistiu: everyone benefits
362 2011-06-13 02:35:36 <wistiu> could this conflict of interest have anything to do with your anti-deepbit hatred?
363 2011-06-13 02:35:40 <luke-jr> wistiu: no
364 2011-06-13 02:35:49 <luke-jr> wistiu: I gain nothing personally from more people using the pool
365 2011-06-13 02:35:57 <wistiu> except more fees
366 2011-06-13 02:36:01 <luke-jr> nope
367 2011-06-13 02:36:23 <luke-jr> the tiny fees are per-second, not per-miner nor per-MH
368 2011-06-13 02:36:48 <luke-jr> and really just for debugging, it never amounts to anything worthwhile
369 2011-06-13 02:36:53 <wistiu> but you keep the fees on new blocks
370 2011-06-13 02:36:56 <luke-jr> ie, it's like 0.0003%
371 2011-06-13 02:37:04 <lorph> how is it for debugging
372 2011-06-13 02:37:21 <luke-jr> lorph: the "fee" is really binary data encoded into the output :p
373 2011-06-13 02:37:42 <mtrlt> he's talking about tx fees.
374 2011-06-13 02:37:46 <luke-jr> oh
375 2011-06-13 02:37:51 <luke-jr> every pool keeps txn fees
376 2011-06-13 02:37:57 <luke-jr> they never amount to much yet either
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379 2011-06-13 02:38:10 <denisx> when I send coins, there are two comment fields, is one only for the sender and comment-to is for the receiver?
380 2011-06-13 02:38:27 <luke-jr> denisx: no, the receiver gets no messages
381 2011-06-13 02:39:05 <forrestv> denisx, can you send me that 100, then, please? msqWU8GSV89jPeRLgzTjUA25pKsUtbvG1o
382 2011-06-13 02:39:15 <iz> are all those comments just OP_DROPs in the public chain?
383 2011-06-13 02:39:21 <luke-jr> wistiu: mIKEjONES: if you want to read more about how Deepbit destabilizes Bitcoin, it's mentioned in the original Bitcoin paper by Satoshi
384 2011-06-13 02:39:21 <lorph> luke-jr: do you use push pool
385 2011-06-13 02:39:31 <luke-jr> lorph: yes
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387 2011-06-13 02:39:51 <lorph> luke-jr: oh i can't get it to work
388 2011-06-13 02:40:32 <denisx> forrestv: ok, send it
389 2011-06-13 02:40:46 <luke-jr> wait
390 2011-06-13 02:40:48 <luke-jr> send it to me
391 2011-06-13 02:40:49 <luke-jr> :p
392 2011-06-13 02:40:50 <lorph> i am trying to make my own, but I don't understand how pushpool verifies hashes
393 2011-06-13 02:41:20 <luke-jr> wistiu: mIKEjONES: specifically, the 50% problem
394 2011-06-13 02:41:29 <mIKEjONES> luke-jr: oh so those are just fake blocks the server wants me to find?
395 2011-06-13 02:41:51 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: they're real hashes of a potential block, but at a lower difficulty than the real network
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397 2011-06-13 02:42:06 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: it proves you're looking for the block
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399 2011-06-13 02:42:19 <luke-jr> it might ALSO earn the real block for the pool, if it matches the higher difficulty too
400 2011-06-13 02:42:45 <forrestv> thanks
401 2011-06-13 02:43:14 <lorph> what's the algorithm for verifying a hash?
402 2011-06-13 02:43:24 <lorph> the wiki says its just sha256(sha256(data))
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404 2011-06-13 02:43:38 <lorph> but pushpool and poold seems to reverse the bytes, etc...
405 2011-06-13 02:43:41 <luke-jr> lorph: yep; you can also read the code
406 2011-06-13 02:43:55 <lorph> luke-jr: can you point me to the definitive source
407 2011-06-13 02:43:59 <mIKEjONES> luke-jr: what do you mean difficulty?
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409 2011-06-13 02:44:11 <mIKEjONES> blah better yet is this discussed anywhere, it seems like it would be :S
410 2011-06-13 02:44:48 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: it's all in the Bitcoin paper
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416 2011-06-13 02:50:09 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rbecde9d3699c supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/RatingSystem/plugin.py: RatingSystem: add method to get cumulative rating from other plugins http://tinyurl.com/688kvz3
417 2011-06-13 02:50:11 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rd1125877df71 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/plugin.py: GPG: add _info method to get registered user data from other plugins http://tinyurl.com/6j6clff
418 2011-06-13 02:50:12 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rc905e5e4c28e supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/ (GPG/plugin.py RatingSystem/plugin.py): GPG/RatingSystem: add forgotten self to external-use methods http://tinyurl.com/6bc6kjk
419 2011-06-13 02:50:18 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r46680b8fc796 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/Gatekeeper/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Gatekeeper: new plugin to help keeping out the riffraff from -otc. http://tinyurl.com/6f7h98w
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423 2011-06-13 02:54:07 <mIKEjONES> luke-jr: I can't seem to find a mention of difficulty 1 blocks
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425 2011-06-13 02:56:04 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: they're called shares. try #Eligius
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428 2011-06-13 02:57:43 <Joric> did anyone write glsl miner already?
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430 2011-06-13 03:01:45 <upb> mIKEjONES: the way i understand it, that your miner is changing the hashed data
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434 2011-06-13 03:02:11 <Sapience> Can someone provide me with documentation for how to start a pool? I looked for it and couldnt find any
435 2011-06-13 03:02:13 <upb> but instead of just reporting data and hashes that have the required leading zeroes
436 2011-06-13 03:02:22 <upb> it also reports the ones that have less
437 2011-06-13 03:05:27 <luke-jr> [23:01:52] <Joric> mtrlt, well, there is a fragment shader sha256 in glsl http://pastebin.com/fECgZQpc
438 2011-06-13 03:06:14 <Joric> might be actually slower than cpu miner
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441 2011-06-13 03:14:03 <genewitch> How do i get blkmond to update me to the actual current block rather than lagging 1 behind all the time
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443 2011-06-13 03:14:32 <genewitch> is this bitcoind's issue or blkmond settings where it doesn't update often enough
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447 2011-06-13 03:15:11 <jgarzik> genewitch: I've never heard of anyone with that problem
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449 2011-06-13 03:15:33 <genewitch> jgarzik: i know, you've never heard of anyone with any of my problems...
450 2011-06-13 03:15:58 <jgarzik> genewitch: pretty much
451 2011-06-13 03:16:10 <jgarzik> genewitch: all the other pools seem to work without these problems
452 2011-06-13 03:16:20 <genewitch> 161 | 130413 | 1307934001 | | 0 in sc.networkBlocks
453 2011-06-13 03:16:43 <genewitch> jgarzik: that's completely irrelevant!
454 2011-06-13 03:17:06 <jgarzik> not really
455 2011-06-13 03:17:08 <genewitch> where's the documentation for blkmond? where's the stuff i can put in server.json for pushpoold?
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457 2011-06-13 03:17:40 <genewitch> i have longpolling on and blkmon is sending sighup it's just lagging behind by 1 block
458 2011-06-13 03:17:41 <jgarzik> genewitch: no docs. all it does is watch the network and send a Unix signal to a process
459 2011-06-13 03:17:50 <denisx> for me blkmond does not work with testnet
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461 2011-06-13 03:17:57 <genewitch> it is sending sigusr or whatever
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463 2011-06-13 03:18:13 <genewitch> So it's bitcoind that it is watching?
464 2011-06-13 03:18:17 <genewitch> the traffic there?
465 2011-06-13 03:18:31 <jgarzik> genewitch: blkmond is a P2P network node. bitcoind is a P2P network node.
466 2011-06-13 03:18:47 <italiano40> if i wanted to add a way to have people to donate using bitcoins from inside my site, where would the api before that?
467 2011-06-13 03:19:00 <genewitch> what i am wondering is if whatever is updating networkBlocks table is subtracting 1
468 2011-06-13 03:19:36 <genewitch> before it puts the value in blockNumber
469 2011-06-13 03:19:58 <genewitch> because it's always consistently one block behind, not sometimes 2 or three or exactly the right block
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471 2011-06-13 03:20:45 <genewitch> italiano40: sendtoaddress
472 2011-06-13 03:21:20 <italiano40> genewitch: do they have an api docs or a site that list all apis?
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474 2011-06-13 03:21:42 <genewitch> italiano40: no, i think you're just supposed to learn it through osmosis
475 2011-06-13 03:21:42 <luke-jr> genewitch: I'm sure jgarzik would be happy to document pushpool for the right price.
476 2011-06-13 03:21:45 <denisx> genewitch: is your bitcoind maybe also behind=?
477 2011-06-13 03:22:08 <genewitch> denisx: well if blkmond is on the network too, shouldn't it be able to force to the next block?
478 2011-06-13 03:22:13 <genewitch> it thought that was the whole point
479 2011-06-13 03:22:40 <genewitch> denisx: why would bitcoind lag behind? some setting?
480 2011-06-13 03:22:40 <denisx> genewitch: it is NOT on the network, you connect it to a bitcoind
481 2011-06-13 03:22:53 <genewitch> denisx: jgarzik just said it was a p2p node
482 2011-06-13 03:22:59 * genewitch shrugs
483 2011-06-13 03:23:06 <jgarzik> there is no "force to next block" blkmond receives the block as it's distributed on the network. there is always some small propagation delay.
484 2011-06-13 03:23:09 <italiano40> genewitch: are you going to link me to the site of the apis?
485 2011-06-13 03:23:24 <jgarzik> denisx: blkmond is of course on the network
486 2011-06-13 03:23:27 <genewitch> italiano40: i don't have a site, i don't mess with the apis
487 2011-06-13 03:23:40 <denisx> jgarzik: it is not only connect to one bitcoind?
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489 2011-06-13 03:23:44 <genewitch> jgarzik: i'm looking at bitcoinpool's stats page to see what block it is on
490 2011-06-13 03:24:01 <jgarzik> denisx: it only connects to one node, yes
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492 2011-06-13 03:24:11 <denisx> jgarzik: ok, thats what I meant
493 2011-06-13 03:24:12 <jgarzik> denisx: but that means it is "on the network"
494 2011-06-13 03:24:16 <genewitch> do i need to tell bitcoind to connect/add servers? because right now it's not (i think i turned off irc as well)
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497 2011-06-13 03:24:26 <lorph> where is the function Hash defined in bitcoin?
498 2011-06-13 03:24:29 <jgarzik> denisx: blkmond gets P2P traffic just like any other node
499 2011-06-13 03:24:37 <jgarzik> lorph: ?
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501 2011-06-13 03:24:51 <jgarzik> genewitch: as long as your connections > 0
502 2011-06-13 03:24:55 <lorph> jgarzik: which file is this function defined in return Hash(BEGIN(nVersion), END(nNonce));
503 2011-06-13 03:25:05 <jgarzik> grep -rwl Hash .
504 2011-06-13 03:25:07 <genewitch> jgarzik: there's a ton of stuff in the debug.log
505 2011-06-13 03:25:14 <jgarzik> genewitch: you think?
506 2011-06-13 03:25:16 <lorph> jgarzik: i'm browsing from github
507 2011-06-13 03:25:25 <genewitch> jgarzik: what should i grep to see if it has more than one connection
508 2011-06-13 03:25:36 <genewitch> grep -v MY_IP?
509 2011-06-13 03:26:27 <luke-jr> â¦â¦â¦â¦.
510 2011-06-13 03:26:31 <genewitch> yeah there's a ton of connections
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513 2011-06-13 03:27:31 <genewitch> also my database is 147mb, which probably is a better indicator i'm actually connected to peers
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515 2011-06-13 03:28:12 <genewitch> ls -al
516 2011-06-13 03:28:15 <jgarzik> genewitch: does your block height match bitcoinwatch?
517 2011-06-13 03:28:16 <genewitch> er
518 2011-06-13 03:31:20 <genewitch> i may be blind, where does it say block height, i've seen that info somewhere on a page
519 2011-06-13 03:32:00 <jgarzik> genewitch: getinfo
520 2011-06-13 03:34:13 <genewitch> no not that, on bitcoinwatch i don't see that info
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522 2011-06-13 03:35:14 <Diablo-D3> woah
523 2011-06-13 03:35:17 Teslah has quit (Quit: Leaving)
524 2011-06-13 03:35:19 <Diablo-D3> did someone split the forums?
525 2011-06-13 03:39:01 plato has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
526 2011-06-13 03:39:19 <genewitch> I'm sorry, i don't know how to do getinfo. 3 days. i've been doing this for three days.
527 2011-06-13 03:39:25 <genewitch> :-/
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529 2011-06-13 03:42:36 <genewitch> oh, bitcoin getinfo says i don't have x11, i'll see if i can connect my local one to the server one.
530 2011-06-13 03:44:19 <denisx> sendtoaddress <bitcoinaddress> <amount> [comment] [comment-to]
531 2011-06-13 03:44:20 <denisx> <amount> is a real and is rounded to the nearest 0.01
532 2011-06-13 03:44:21 <genewitch> 100mb of packages to getinfo, glad i am on 100mbit
533 2011-06-13 03:44:28 <denisx> is that comment deprecated?
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535 2011-06-13 03:44:32 <gmaxwell> denisx: yes.
536 2011-06-13 03:44:36 <denisx> gmaxwell: ok
537 2011-06-13 03:44:39 <gmaxwell> denisx: where does it say that?
538 2011-06-13 03:44:47 <denisx> gmaxwell: bitcoind 0.3.21
539 2011-06-13 03:44:48 <genewitch> denisx: what is the new one?
540 2011-06-13 03:44:52 <GuyinCognito> i need to sell all my bitcoins before it crashes
541 2011-06-13 03:44:52 <gmaxwell> doh.
542 2011-06-13 03:44:57 <denisx> genewitch: new one?
543 2011-06-13 03:45:04 <GuyinCognito> pls help.. ive already like over 12 thousand dollars
544 2011-06-13 03:45:12 <genewitch> i assume it got deprecated in favor of a new command
545 2011-06-13 03:45:18 <denisx> GuyinCognito: go to #bitcoin
546 2011-06-13 03:45:19 <genewitch> GuyinCognito: donate them all to me
547 2011-06-13 03:45:25 <GuyinCognito> they banned me
548 2011-06-13 03:45:33 <GuyinCognito> for being a "defeatist"
549 2011-06-13 03:45:40 <GuyinCognito> i think its a scam
550 2011-06-13 03:45:42 <pogden> GuyinCognito: welcome to forex
551 2011-06-13 03:46:43 RAM2012 has joined
552 2011-06-13 03:48:01 <jgarzik> GuyinCognito: this is a dev channel. go to #bitcoin or #bitcoin-otc or just go away.
553 2011-06-13 03:48:13 <GuyinCognito> shut up you!
554 2011-06-13 03:48:25 <genewitch> ;;bc,24hprc
555 2011-06-13 03:48:27 <gribble> 17.6148
556 2011-06-13 03:48:47 <genewitch> up $7 since last night. yeah, it's crashin alright <eyeroll.jpg>
557 2011-06-13 03:49:00 <GuyinCognito> what was it 2 days ago?
558 2011-06-13 03:49:06 <genewitch> 21
559 2011-06-13 03:49:07 <mtrlt> GuyinCognito: why not use mtgox?
560 2011-06-13 03:49:11 <jgarzik> genewitch: do not feel the trolls
561 2011-06-13 03:49:16 <jgarzik> mtrlt: do not feel the trolls
562 2011-06-13 03:49:19 <mtrlt> GuyinCognito: if you really wanna sell 'em all
563 2011-06-13 03:49:26 <jgarzik> *feed
564 2011-06-13 03:49:27 <jgarzik> even
565 2011-06-13 03:49:40 <jgarzik> though feeling up trolls is probably inadvisable as well
566 2011-06-13 03:49:57 <GuyinCognito> i have 50,000 dollars that im selling for 1 gram of kb per 100 bitcoins
567 2011-06-13 03:50:07 <mtrlt> 1 gram of kickban?
568 2011-06-13 03:50:12 <mtrlt> *bam*
569 2011-06-13 03:50:15 <GuyinCognito> err 50,000 bitcoins
570 2011-06-13 03:50:17 <GuyinCognito> that is
571 2011-06-13 03:50:24 <GuyinCognito> 100 bits for 1 gram
572 2011-06-13 03:50:40 <genewitch> can we ban traders?
573 2011-06-13 03:50:42 <nanotube> ;;op jgarzik
574 2011-06-13 03:50:45 <genewitch> also i have getinfo now
575 2011-06-13 03:50:45 GuyinCognito has joined
576 2011-06-13 03:50:58 <mtrlt> 1 gram of kickban! :)
577 2011-06-13 03:51:11 <genewitch> where do i get the blockheight from bitcoinwatch? i have access to bitcoin on the server now (3 libraries needed)
578 2011-06-13 03:51:28 <jgarzik> genewitch: Blocks -> Count
579 2011-06-13 03:51:57 <genewitch> yes those do match, sir
580 2011-06-13 03:52:49 jgarzik has left ("Client exiting")
581 2011-06-13 03:52:53 <genewitch> Oh, wow, it was the other sites that are broken, totally awesome.
582 2011-06-13 03:52:54 jgarzik has joined
583 2011-06-13 03:53:13 <genewitch> Oh, wow, it was the other sites that are broken, totally awesome. learned how to use bitcoin better though. thanks jgarzik!
584 2011-06-13 03:54:36 <genewitch> yeah everything is synced up. I'll be writing that guide soonish, if that's ok with you, i asked last night but you were lagged and having posts deleted on the forums
585 2011-06-13 03:54:39 <cut> shares table from pushpolld, line 13 http://pastebin.com/yVqQMqp4 , does upstream_result=Y mean that i found a block on the testnet?
586 2011-06-13 03:54:51 <jgarzik> brb
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589 2011-06-13 03:54:58 <genewitch> cut: share was accepted i think
590 2011-06-13 03:55:11 <genewitch> i.e. not stale
591 2011-06-13 03:55:15 <cut> so far thats the only row that has yielded any results
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593 2011-06-13 03:55:40 <genewitch> cut: nah, there's only a couple in there, select * from shares_history
594 2011-06-13 03:56:07 <cut> shares_history in pushpolld?
595 2011-06-13 03:56:13 <genewitch> or tail -f /tmp/shares.log if you set that
596 2011-06-13 03:56:22 <genewitch> cut: oh in the database, i mean
597 2011-06-13 03:56:26 <denisx> when the pools do their payouts I assume they do it with a zero fee, is that correct?
598 2011-06-13 03:56:47 <genewitch> denisx: 0.01 per transaction are what my pools say /shrug
599 2011-06-13 03:57:10 <denisx> genewitch: and you subtract that from the payout?
600 2011-06-13 03:57:35 <genewitch> from the payee, since it's on the payout pages
601 2011-06-13 03:57:50 <genewitch> IE you ask for 1BTC you get 0.99BTC
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603 2011-06-13 03:58:20 <denisx> genewitch: ok, fair enough
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605 2011-06-13 03:58:40 <genewitch> it's not mandatory, i think it's per site
606 2011-06-13 03:58:56 <cut> genewitch: thats the only row in shares.log that has been verified by upstream
607 2011-06-13 03:59:00 <jgarzik> cut: upstream_result==Y means you found a full block/proof of work on the network, and received bitcoins
608 2011-06-13 03:59:10 <cut> jgarzik: thanks
609 2011-06-13 03:59:47 <denisx> genewitch: what is your pool?
610 2011-06-13 04:00:20 <genewitch> denisx: the software?
611 2011-06-13 04:00:27 <genewitch> denisx: pushpoold and simplecoin
612 2011-06-13 04:01:37 <denisx> genewitch: no, the poolname
613 2011-06-13 04:01:51 <genewitch> Friends of xkcd
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615 2011-06-13 04:01:57 <denisx> ok
616 2011-06-13 04:02:04 <denisx> so, I need to go to bed
617 2011-06-13 04:02:05 <denisx> bb
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619 2011-06-13 04:02:10 <genewitch> Alright
620 2011-06-13 04:03:59 <genewitch> upstream result == NULL means no money, right?
621 2011-06-13 04:04:10 <cut> genewitch: correct
622 2011-06-13 04:04:46 <genewitch> select * from shares_history where upstream_result != NULL; | Empty set (0.00 sec)
623 2011-06-13 04:04:49 <genewitch> :-(
624 2011-06-13 04:05:01 XX01XX is now known as cuddlefish
625 2011-06-13 04:05:10 <genewitch> cuddlefish: you're very sneaky
626 2011-06-13 04:05:19 <cut> genewitch: i'm on the testnet
627 2011-06-13 04:05:24 <genewitch> i was looking for you earlier
628 2011-06-13 04:05:47 <genewitch> cut: i'm not, hence the sadface
629 2011-06-13 04:06:11 cuddlefish is now known as XX01XX
630 2011-06-13 04:06:17 <cut> how long does it take for the block to get on blockexplorer?
631 2011-06-13 04:07:25 <cut> nevermind
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633 2011-06-13 04:10:54 <genewitch> cut: it never will from the test network.
634 2011-06-13 04:11:12 <genewitch> i figure this is logged, so i'll answer :-)
635 2011-06-13 04:11:29 <cut> if i'm running a private pool with a couple of friends, i could start counting the number of completed shares until the next block and then base payment on # of shares completed?
636 2011-06-13 04:11:36 <cut> blockexplorer has a section for testnet
637 2011-06-13 04:12:40 <genewitch> cut: you could get a frontend
638 2011-06-13 04:13:05 <genewitch> but if you save shares.log you could wc -l and grep per user and divide.
639 2011-06-13 04:13:18 <cut> i'm writing a frontend
640 2011-06-13 04:13:38 <cut> i dont care how its done, i'm wondering if the math is correct
641 2011-06-13 04:13:45 <genewitch> hold on
642 2011-06-13 04:13:56 <genewitch> (50 BTC - 1 BTC fee) * (shares found by user's workers) / (total shares in current round)
643 2011-06-13 04:14:11 <genewitch> that's a 2% rake, adjust the fee as you see fit
644 2011-06-13 04:14:19 <cut> ahh total shares is the missing number
645 2011-06-13 04:14:40 <genewitch> cut: total shars is the number of shares in shares
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649 2011-06-13 04:14:55 <genewitch> not the ids, the count
650 2011-06-13 04:15:24 <genewitch> cut: for instance, sc.shares has 57 rows in my server
651 2011-06-13 04:15:33 <genewitch> the last one is id 5019
652 2011-06-13 04:15:47 <genewitch> make sense?
653 2011-06-13 04:15:50 <cut> i know how a database primary key works
654 2011-06-13 04:16:05 <genewitch> well shares gets deleted when a new block comes in
655 2011-06-13 04:16:11 <genewitch> not sure if that's my frontend or pushpulld
656 2011-06-13 04:16:32 <genewitch> rather, it can have 0 rows, and then the first row will be 5020 for me if it's a new block
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659 2011-06-13 04:18:54 <genewitch> but if you want to consider ALL work done to get a block (not just the shares in the current block) you can use shares.log i think. or write shares_history in your database :-)
660 2011-06-13 04:19:30 m0m0 has joined
661 2011-06-13 04:19:33 <cut> (total shares in current round) is that shares that my workers do, or is that network wide?
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663 2011-06-13 04:19:43 <genewitch> network only
664 2011-06-13 04:19:58 <jgarzik> pushpoold just logs shares (INSERT), never deletes or accumulates shares
665 2011-06-13 04:20:20 <genewitch> jgarzik: ah, so my frontend moves them after a new block comes in
666 2011-06-13 04:20:26 <genewitch> good to know
667 2011-06-13 04:20:29 <jgarzik> cut: it is -not- network wide
668 2011-06-13 04:21:04 <genewitch> jgarzik: he was asking how to divvy payment, i gave the simplest calculation :-)
669 2011-06-13 04:21:52 <genewitch> jgarzik: by the way, i dunno if you read the support forums but i wanted to thank you for making pushpoold (and the other git commiters) - it's totally awesome.
670 2011-06-13 04:22:29 <lorph> jgarzik: what does h-not-zero mean
671 2011-06-13 04:22:41 <cut> genewitch: you dont really seem to know what you're talking about. sorry
672 2011-06-13 04:23:05 <cut> or at least you dont know what i'm talking about
673 2011-06-13 04:23:35 <jgarzik> lorph: H != 0. for further elaboration, read the wiki on mining.
674 2011-06-13 04:24:11 <genewitch> cut: you said how to divvy shares. I said the calculation. you asked globally or just your pool, i answered that wrong, sorry, i just looked up, i meant your network only when i said network only, not globally.
675 2011-06-13 04:24:14 <Diablo-D3> okay so guys
676 2011-06-13 04:24:24 <Diablo-D3> is there a channel just for the forums?
677 2011-06-13 04:25:05 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: you mean an IRC channel for forum admins? not afaik
678 2011-06-13 04:25:12 stahi has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
679 2011-06-13 04:25:18 <Diablo-D3> well, something thats considerably less traffic than the main three
680 2011-06-13 04:28:02 <lorph> jgarzik: i can't find any wiki entry on that
681 2011-06-13 04:28:11 <lorph> it obviously can't mean the whole header
682 2011-06-13 04:28:16 zyb has joined
683 2011-06-13 04:28:31 <jgarzik> lorph: it is a component of sha256 hash algorithm
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686 2011-06-13 04:30:07 <lorph> jgarzik: I know H is bytes 28-32 after 2 rounds of sha-256, but I would like to know why
687 2011-06-13 04:30:30 <genewitch> same as if(Hash h <> NULL)?
688 2011-06-13 04:30:45 <genewitch> oh, not the same. :-)
689 2011-06-13 04:30:49 Strom- has joined
690 2011-06-13 04:30:54 <forrestv> miner clients should check that H < target[0]
691 2011-06-13 04:30:57 <forrestv> not H == 0
692 2011-06-13 04:31:03 <forrestv> <=*
693 2011-06-13 04:31:16 Strom has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
694 2011-06-13 04:31:17 <lorph> forrestv: https://github.com/shanew/pushpool/blob/master/msg.c#L298
695 2011-06-13 04:31:25 <jgarzik> forrestv: useless
696 2011-06-13 04:31:49 <forrestv> lorph, there are more pools than pushpool
697 2011-06-13 04:31:49 <jgarzik> forrestv: even at diff-1, H must be zero
698 2011-06-13 04:32:08 <lorph> i thought pushpool was the standard
699 2011-06-13 04:32:24 <davep> you could have sub-1 difficulty
700 2011-06-13 04:32:37 * jgarzik rolls eyes
701 2011-06-13 04:32:45 <davep> wouldnt be very useful
702 2011-06-13 04:32:46 <davep> :P
703 2011-06-13 04:32:57 <forrestv> useful for testing
704 2011-06-13 04:33:04 <ArtForzZz> default pool diff is sub-1
705 2011-06-13 04:33:11 <jgarzik> just barely :)
706 2011-06-13 04:33:24 <ArtForzZz> yup, H==0 is about diff 0.9999975 or so ;)
707 2011-06-13 04:33:32 <jgarzik> all miners check H==0
708 2011-06-13 04:33:51 <lorph> jgarzik: is the target in big endian format, and the hash here is in little endian
709 2011-06-13 04:33:59 <ArtForzZz> I think diablo can handle nonzero H target
710 2011-06-13 04:34:14 <lorph> i guess you are clamping for difficulty >= 1
711 2011-06-13 04:34:43 <ArtForzZz> useful for testnet-in-a-box mining ;)
712 2011-06-13 04:34:47 <lorph> can I get a yes or no, because I don't see H anywhere else on the wiki
713 2011-06-13 04:34:56 <lorph> and I have been looking at this wiki this whole weekend
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715 2011-06-13 04:35:13 <genewitch> gribble is reporting the wrong difficulty? or does it compute the difficulty some other way?
716 2011-06-13 04:35:17 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|hi genewitch
717 2011-06-13 04:35:21 <forrestv> lorph, ah, when you linked that to me i thought you were trying to prove a point
718 2011-06-13 04:35:21 <midnightmagic> lorph: if you are a coder, the best place to look is currently the source code.
719 2011-06-13 04:35:23 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|This is not #xkcd
720 2011-06-13 04:35:24 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|:p
721 2011-06-13 04:35:35 <midnightmagic> lorph: the fastest way to answer your own questions will be in there.
722 2011-06-13 04:35:41 <forrestv> lorph, H is just the last (first, depending on how you look at it) 32 bits of a hash
723 2011-06-13 04:35:43 <midnightmagic> unfortunately
724 2011-06-13 04:35:52 <genewitch> nameless|: nor is #xkcd this, but gribble is the bot in here :-)
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727 2011-06-13 04:36:20 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|genewitch: Yes
728 2011-06-13 04:37:01 <genewitch> his difficulty is ~89 higher than the current difficulty on blockexplorer and elsewhere
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730 2011-06-13 04:37:09 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
731 2011-06-13 04:37:11 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130430 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 609 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 6 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 830931.85764585
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733 2011-06-13 04:37:39 <genewitch> ./bitcoin getdifficulty | 567269.53016242
734 2011-06-13 04:38:05 <genewitch> blockexplorer as well, except only to 6 digits
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736 2011-06-13 04:39:03 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|it may update, but I don't know enough about gribble to know for certain
737 2011-06-13 04:39:11 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|Your best bet would be to poke nanotube
738 2011-06-13 04:39:18 viggi has joined
739 2011-06-13 04:39:19 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I believe s/he maintains the bot
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741 2011-06-13 04:40:09 <nanotube> genewitch: nameless|: gribble gets the data from blockexplorer
742 2011-06-13 04:40:20 <nanotube> so... theymos is the one to contact about the discrepancy
743 2011-06-13 04:40:23 <genewitch> how often?
744 2011-06-13 04:41:11 <genewitch> well, just thought i'd mention it.
745 2011-06-13 04:41:58 cryptocnt has joined
746 2011-06-13 04:43:34 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|nanotube: I'm busy getting drunk, but gribble was mentioned and I'm pretty sure that's your baby
747 2011-06-13 04:44:06 <nanotube> genewitch: live.
748 2011-06-13 04:44:13 <nanotube> nameless|: indeed :)
749 2011-06-13 04:44:23 <nanotube> ;;help bc,diff
750 2011-06-13 04:44:23 <gribble> (bc,diff <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch http://blockexplorer.com/q/getdifficulty".
751 2011-06-13 04:44:26 <nanotube> genewitch: ^
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758 2011-06-13 04:57:08 Swu has joined
759 2011-06-13 04:57:34 <Diablo-D3> hey swu
760 2011-06-13 04:57:44 <Swu> hey whats up
761 2011-06-13 04:59:38 ar4s has joined
762 2011-06-13 05:00:18 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Chris Howie * r42403fec2e6c mining-proxy/htdocs/ (common.inc.php mvc.inc.php): Move session_start() call so that each worker request doesn't start a new session http://tinyurl.com/3vpohrv
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765 2011-06-13 05:01:37 <Joric> is it possible to show progress e.g. 101234 of 130434 blocks on init?
766 2011-06-13 05:02:45 <Joric> also what happens if you send to an address that no one actually has yet? will you get it back?
767 2011-06-13 05:02:55 <mtrlt> nope
768 2011-06-13 05:02:59 <mtrlt> it is sent to that address
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770 2011-06-13 05:03:06 <RAM2012> is it possible to map every node and transaction in realtime and start linking IP to physical location?
771 2011-06-13 05:03:10 <mtrlt> if nobody has the private key for that address, then nobody can use that money
772 2011-06-13 05:03:25 <Diablo-D3> Swu: trying to figure out what to do with the forums
773 2011-06-13 05:03:32 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if we need a forums channel or something
774 2011-06-13 05:04:40 <Swu> Channel forums?
775 2011-06-13 05:05:24 <noagendamarket> nuke it from space
776 2011-06-13 05:05:25 <Diablo-D3> no, a forum channel
777 2011-06-13 05:05:39 <Diablo-D3> -dev scrolls too fast to have a useful discussion of the forums
778 2011-06-13 05:06:05 <Swu> ah
779 2011-06-13 05:07:34 <Swu> yea if that's the case, probably should name it forum-meta or something
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781 2011-06-13 05:08:30 <gjs278> yes
782 2011-06-13 05:08:36 <gjs278> #bitcoin-forms would be good
783 2011-06-13 05:08:38 <gjs278> forums
784 2011-06-13 05:08:40 <gjs278> forum
785 2011-06-13 05:08:42 <gjs278> whatever
786 2011-06-13 05:09:11 <Swu> Also i don't know if you should or not, but start moving posts into mining into the subcategories since people dont really seem to be adopting them cus they find general mining more accessible
787 2011-06-13 05:09:42 <genewitch> get rid of the general one?
788 2011-06-13 05:09:52 <Swu> no you can keep the general one
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790 2011-06-13 05:10:35 <Swu> just like issues specific to pools, clients, technical support, and hardware should start being where people find in depth information
791 2011-06-13 05:11:57 <Swu> general can be for like other stuff such as, pictures of mining rigs, people speculating how if mining is worth it, etc
792 2011-06-13 05:13:50 <lorph> what difficulty does a target of ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff00000000 correspond to?
793 2011-06-13 05:13:51 <Swu> Also i have a question does the forum have more one forum moderators? like yourself Diablo?
794 2011-06-13 05:13:52 <Diablo-D3> I almost wanna turn posting off in the general mining category
795 2011-06-13 05:14:02 <Diablo-D3> Swu: Im the last one to join
796 2011-06-13 05:14:05 <Diablo-D3> theres like 4 or 5 others
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801 2011-06-13 05:16:58 <Swu> ah i don't think you need to close it, people seem to get angry when stuff like that happens, but start moving some of the posts into the categories. once people have to go there to find info they will naturally gravitate over.
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803 2011-06-13 05:18:11 <genewitch> i assume i should turn on transaction fees on my bitcoind that's backing a pool
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806 2011-06-13 05:20:02 <Swu> Diablo-D3: actually what i think a good idea might be is post an all caps sticky telling people to start posting in the subforums and that you are going to move a lot of the topics over to organize it and make it easier for people to find information
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808 2011-06-13 05:21:15 <Diablo-D3> its on my todo list
809 2011-06-13 05:21:26 <Diablo-D3> Im busy dealing with the dmca request to deal with this shit
810 2011-06-13 05:22:24 <noagendamarket> dmca ?
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812 2011-06-13 05:23:36 <genewitch> also, to back up a private key, do i just copy wallet.dat?
813 2011-06-13 05:23:47 <genewitch> and move that to another bitcoin client to use it?
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815 2011-06-13 05:24:07 <Swu> yes but make sure you copy it only after you close the bitcoin client
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817 2011-06-13 05:24:45 <genewitch> noagendamarket: digital millenium copyright act, usually because someone claims you're infringing on their intellectual property (i.e. you're hosting an mp3 of their song, or a picture they made without attribution, etc)
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819 2011-06-13 05:25:00 <genewitch> Swu: okay.
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822 2011-06-13 05:26:08 <noagendamarket> yeah i know i was just asking what they sent it for ..one of your sites ?
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830 2011-06-13 05:30:11 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rbdd65e1e9269 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/plugin.py: GPG: fix unauth on kick http://tinyurl.com/6xpft9a
831 2011-06-13 05:30:12 <genewitch> just to confirm, if i copy wallet.dat, even if my server crashes after finding a block, i can copy wallet.dat from right now onto a new server and the BTC will still be there ready to be paid out?
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836 2011-06-13 05:32:12 <[Tycho]> genewitch, yes. If you have the keypool.
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838 2011-06-13 05:33:18 <genewitch> [Tycho]: what's that? i'm basically asking how to back up this volatile cloud server so i can just reinstate it on a different one if need be
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841 2011-06-13 05:33:46 <genewitch> like if the market price goes above 3 cents which is my cap per hour.
842 2011-06-13 05:34:13 <[Tycho]> Which client version do you use ?
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844 2011-06-13 05:34:50 <Diablo-D3> okay
845 2011-06-13 05:34:52 <Diablo-D3> thats now delt with
846 2011-06-13 05:35:11 <Diablo-D3> I sent the DMCA request off to deal with speedygonzolas
847 2011-06-13 05:35:24 gfdffdfd is now known as machine5
848 2011-06-13 05:37:48 <Swu> lol so what happened with speedygonzolas
849 2011-06-13 05:40:57 Xenland has joined
850 2011-06-13 05:41:22 <[Tycho]> I think he forked the DiabloMiner
851 2011-06-13 05:41:38 Broskevic has joined
852 2011-06-13 05:41:48 <[Tycho]> Optimizazed and trojaned.
853 2011-06-13 05:42:01 krazee has joined
854 2011-06-13 05:42:16 <Swu> wow
855 2011-06-13 05:42:32 <genewitch> [Tycho]: "version" : 32200, bitcoind
856 2011-06-13 05:44:34 <genewitch> are there other files i need to move, as well?
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858 2011-06-13 05:45:31 <genewitch> I mean all this crap should be on my snapshot, but if i get 50BTC from finding a block and the server crashes and i reinstate an old image, the 50BTC isn't sitting on my server, it's attached to the wallet.dat stuff - so i should be safe anyhow. but what if i wanted to move to gentoo?
859 2011-06-13 05:45:44 <[Tycho]> Yes.
860 2011-06-13 05:45:54 Xenland has quit (Quit: Leaving)
861 2011-06-13 05:46:05 <[Tycho]> I would recommend doing "getnewaddress" at least once before mining.
862 2011-06-13 05:46:13 <genewitch> which files should i copy? the whole .bitcoin/ folder?
863 2011-06-13 05:46:16 <[Tycho]> Then make a bakup.
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865 2011-06-13 05:46:25 <[Tycho]> You'll need only wallet.dat
866 2011-06-13 05:46:56 <genewitch> not the keypool, whatever that is? ;_)
867 2011-06-13 05:48:06 <genewitch> cool, so fast i didn't even get an upstream rpc error :-)
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871 2011-06-13 05:49:35 <genewitch> oh he needs to come back
872 2011-06-13 05:50:15 Xenland has joined
873 2011-06-13 05:50:24 <genewitch> Xenland: you staying, this time?
874 2011-06-13 05:50:44 <Xenland> do you want me to stay? lol
875 2011-06-13 05:51:08 <genewitch> Xenland: yeah, i wanted to tell you that i posted in the wrong thread regarding that $pinauth thing
876 2011-06-13 05:51:34 <genewitch> it wasn't your code i was trying to patch, it was simplecoin's but i hit refresh on the wrong tab :-/
877 2011-06-13 05:51:36 <Xenland> oh yeah its cool, what version do you have running?
878 2011-06-13 05:51:41 <Xenland> ahhhh
879 2011-06-13 05:51:46 <Xenland> that makes soo much sense.
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881 2011-06-13 05:51:57 <genewitch> I didn't want to spam the thread up with that so i am glad you're here!
882 2011-06-13 05:52:02 <Xenland> I was like lookin the register.php file and im thinking.... WHERE IS IT!!!
883 2011-06-13 05:52:07 <Xenland> lol
884 2011-06-13 05:52:31 <genewitch> does your frontend show usernames and block details?
885 2011-06-13 05:52:46 <Xenland> It will in version 4, that stats.php page will come out around then
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887 2011-06-13 05:52:56 <genewitch> i was thinking of forking simplecoin and adding that
888 2011-06-13 05:53:37 <genewitch> oh this has stats, but it's just block, difficulty, and then "best hashrates" and "best shares"
889 2011-06-13 05:53:37 <Xenland> Yeah it should work fine if they both use the same database structure, I'm not quite sure how "the same" they both are, scince simplecoin software was built upon version 1 of my software
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891 2011-06-13 05:54:05 <genewitch> Xenland: simplecoin isn't a php programmer.
892 2011-06-13 05:54:15 <Diablo-D3> you know what would be interesting for the forums?
893 2011-06-13 05:54:20 <Diablo-D3> being able to bulk move posts
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895 2011-06-13 05:54:29 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: there's no checkbox?
896 2011-06-13 05:54:39 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: nope
897 2011-06-13 05:54:41 <Xenland> genewitch: i don't know the guys name
898 2011-06-13 05:54:42 <Xenland> :P
899 2011-06-13 05:54:45 <Diablo-D3> not on the thread list anyways
900 2011-06-13 05:55:08 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: feature request
901 2011-06-13 05:55:20 <Diablo-D3> I dont think smf can do it
902 2011-06-13 05:55:31 <genewitch> it's backed by a sql database, yes?
903 2011-06-13 05:55:34 <Xenland> Anybody know how to set the fanspeed in aticonfig overdrive
904 2011-06-13 05:56:08 <Diablo-D3> Xenland: you cant, use amdoverdrivectrl
905 2011-06-13 05:56:16 <genewitch> select * in posts where subforum = "whatever" and timestamp > "hurpa";
906 2011-06-13 05:56:18 <Diablo-D3> and remember, you cant turn autospeed back on
907 2011-06-13 05:56:27 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: I dont want to move them all =P
908 2011-06-13 05:56:34 <genewitch> Xenland: you need another program
909 2011-06-13 05:56:34 <Diablo-D3> it'd make mass sorting easier
910 2011-06-13 05:56:44 <genewitch> Xenland: expertool
911 2011-06-13 05:56:44 <Xenland> lol I just found that as you entered but wasn't sure if it was old or not, Thanks Mates
912 2011-06-13 05:57:25 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: does overdrivectl handle overclocking and overvoltage? mine does overclock and underclock but the voltage is locked
913 2011-06-13 05:57:44 <genewitch> also i'd love to set 35% as the fixed speed :-/
914 2011-06-13 05:57:45 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: you cant change voltage on non-ref cards anyhow
915 2011-06-13 05:57:55 <genewitch> i can pick from 4 voltages
916 2011-06-13 05:58:03 <Diablo-D3> and on ref cards, you can only set from whats in the bios already
917 2011-06-13 05:58:04 <genewitch> but that's it
918 2011-06-13 05:58:07 <genewitch> oh
919 2011-06-13 05:58:19 <Swu> unless you flash the bios
920 2011-06-13 05:58:29 <genewitch> boff that, i'll just buy more
921 2011-06-13 05:58:42 <genewitch> got 2 offers for gpus for BTC already.
922 2011-06-13 05:58:46 <Xenland> why are there low, mid and high, tabs?
923 2011-06-13 05:59:11 <Diablo-D3> Xenland: because thats how the cards are built.
924 2011-06-13 05:59:18 <Diablo-D3> you can change speeds for all three modes
925 2011-06-13 06:00:05 <Xenland> wtf? this is too advanced, so your saying when i do windows overdrive mode and i just got the 1 slider for clock speed, i now have to play with 3? or its just different modes I can activate
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927 2011-06-13 06:00:57 <Xenland> i just don't get why there would be modes
928 2011-06-13 06:01:11 <genewitch> Xenland: ati cards have "idle" "video" and "game/GPGPU" speeds, i think is what those are
929 2011-06-13 06:01:21 <genewitch> they underclock to save power, in other words
930 2011-06-13 06:01:34 <Xenland> how do I know what mode its in?
931 2011-06-13 06:01:40 <genewitch> if your'e mining it's in high
932 2011-06-13 06:01:49 <genewitch> ;-)
933 2011-06-13 06:01:56 <Xenland> okay, so its like an auto mode type of thing, that makes sense
934 2011-06-13 06:02:17 <Xenland> I was like freaking out here for a second, thinking this overclocking thing is going to take forever!!! lol
935 2011-06-13 06:02:19 <genewitch> you can get current mode, usually. if you look at the catalyst panel it will tell you too, if it doesn't freak out on your first
936 2011-06-13 06:02:26 <genewitch> Xenland: what card?
937 2011-06-13 06:02:34 * genewitch hopes 5850
938 2011-06-13 06:03:00 <Xenland> 6990, Im not really over clocking, it just runs really hot(90c) and i need to balance it out with high fan speeds
939 2011-06-13 06:03:12 <Xenland> I think i got the last one from Cutting Edge Gamers thank god
940 2011-06-13 06:03:13 <genewitch> Xenland: on the high tab underclock your ram
941 2011-06-13 06:03:43 <Xenland> cann i underclook my ram to the lowest posible with out any ppoblems?
942 2011-06-13 06:04:03 <genewitch> no no no nevermind no one is doing that with the 6990
943 2011-06-13 06:04:12 <genewitch> I don't recommend testing the values.
944 2011-06-13 06:04:37 <Xenland> genewitch: so underclocking is just as bad as too much overclocking huh?
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946 2011-06-13 06:04:54 <genewitch> nah, just untested and it makes your system unstable if you're using it
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948 2011-06-13 06:05:12 <genewitch> Xenland: for instance, if i load a youtube video right now the driver will crash, and possibly bluescreen :-)
949 2011-06-13 06:05:29 <Xenland> oooo so thats why everytime i run a youtube vide on windows it freezes up
950 2011-06-13 06:05:34 <genewitch> but i can pull 50% more mh/s overclocked core and underclocked ram
951 2011-06-13 06:06:04 <genewitch> you can TRY setting the first core to 990, the second core to 960, and then clock the ram down to 300mhz
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953 2011-06-13 06:06:46 <genewitch> or whatever you want to overclcok to, some people are saying the GPU0 runs hot (so set that one 30mhz slower)
954 2011-06-13 06:08:37 <genewitch> what is the stock core clock on the 6990?
955 2011-06-13 06:08:44 <genewitch> 830?
956 2011-06-13 06:09:01 <mtrlt> yep
957 2011-06-13 06:09:09 <mtrlt> there's a switch that puts it to 880 too
958 2011-06-13 06:09:13 <Diablo-D3> ooh
959 2011-06-13 06:09:15 <Diablo-D3> I can mass move
960 2011-06-13 06:09:17 <Diablo-D3> interesting
961 2011-06-13 06:09:53 <genewitch> mtrlt: damn that's a 10% speed increase on hashing
962 2011-06-13 06:10:04 <genewitch> without software overclocking
963 2011-06-13 06:10:25 <mtrlt> genewitch: but i left the switch in the 830 position and overclocked to 910
964 2011-06-13 06:10:32 <mtrlt> since the switch also raises volts
965 2011-06-13 06:10:53 <genewitch> mtrlt: you need that for stability at higher clocks, so if you're stable no need, cool.
966 2011-06-13 06:10:58 <Xenland> why is it that poclbm isn't showing up the 2nd core after running the 1st one?
967 2011-06-13 06:10:59 <mtrlt> yep
968 2011-06-13 06:11:25 <genewitch> my card stock is 725mhz and i can get it to 885 stable for a bit, wish i could overvolt it a smidge
969 2011-06-13 06:11:55 <genewitch> it runs stable for days at 850 though
970 2011-06-13 06:12:04 <genewitch> 850/300
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972 2011-06-13 06:13:49 <mtrlt> 5850?
973 2011-06-13 06:14:00 <genewitch> yeah
974 2011-06-13 06:14:09 <mtrlt> mine does 850/300 fine too :p
975 2011-06-13 06:14:11 <genewitch> wtf does BFI_INT do
976 2011-06-13 06:14:17 <mtrlt> 900mhz starts crashing
977 2011-06-13 06:14:17 <gmaxwell> genewitch: google it
978 2011-06-13 06:14:27 <genewitch> other than slow me down 16.5%
979 2011-06-13 06:14:30 <mtrlt> it is an optimization
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981 2011-06-13 06:14:43 <mtrlt> that replaces some things that need 3 instructions with only one instruction
982 2011-06-13 06:15:02 <mtrlt> it should make it strictly faster though
983 2011-06-13 06:15:13 <genewitch> mtrlt: out of curiosity, what mh/s do you get on your 5850 at those speeds? if they're better than mine i want to steal your extra flags
984 2011-06-13 06:15:26 <mtrlt> 339MH/s at 850/#00
985 2011-06-13 06:15:28 <mtrlt> 850/300
986 2011-06-13 06:15:50 <genewitch> which client and what flags? :-)
987 2011-06-13 06:15:53 <mtrlt> no flags to steal, i'm using my own miner :p
988 2011-06-13 06:16:02 <genewitch> opencl?
989 2011-06-13 06:16:04 <mtrlt> gonna release it sometime too
990 2011-06-13 06:16:06 <mtrlt> yep
991 2011-06-13 06:16:15 <genewitch> i'll beta, does it connect to pools?
992 2011-06-13 06:16:22 <genewitch> durr
993 2011-06-13 06:16:22 <mtrlt> yeah but it's not ready for beta yet :p
994 2011-06-13 06:16:24 <genewitch> nevermind
995 2011-06-13 06:16:31 Xenland has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
996 2011-06-13 06:16:47 <mtrlt> it has all settings like worksize and vectors hardcoded at the moment etc
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998 2011-06-13 06:17:04 <mtrlt> how much are you getting then? at 850/300
999 2011-06-13 06:17:37 <genewitch> well that works for me since we have similar cards. what are those values hardcoded at? i have w256 and vetors, aggression=19
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1001 2011-06-13 06:17:54 <genewitch> 266-310, less with guiminer, more with command line
1002 2011-06-13 06:18:12 <mtrlt> worksize 256, vectors, bfi_int, aggression=25
1003 2011-06-13 06:18:13 <genewitch> -f 0 as well
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1006 2011-06-13 06:18:32 <mtrlt> i think that's equivalent to what i have on my miner :p
1007 2011-06-13 06:18:54 <mtrlt> i don't use artforz's opencl kernel tho
1008 2011-06-13 06:19:00 <mtrlt> took an ooold poclbm and optimized it myself
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1010 2011-06-13 06:19:37 <genewitch> the aggression setting increases my shares per minute but drops my hashrate a fair amount
1011 2011-06-13 06:19:47 <mtrlt> logically impossible :)
1012 2011-06-13 06:19:48 <B0g4r7> worksize 64 works best for me.
1013 2011-06-13 06:19:50 <genewitch> the lower my aggression, the more mh/s but the less shares i get.
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1015 2011-06-13 06:19:59 <mtrlt> maybe the MH/s meter just borks at higher aggression
1016 2011-06-13 06:20:00 <genewitch> mtrlt: i timed it for hours with 3 settings
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1018 2011-06-13 06:20:34 <genewitch> i'll go look at what aggression does at some point since i was just playing with the settings
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1020 2011-06-13 06:21:37 <topi`> ;;seen Diablo-D3
1021 2011-06-13 06:21:38 <gribble> Diablo-D3 was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 12 minutes and 21 seconds ago: <Diablo-D3> interesting
1022 2011-06-13 06:21:45 <genewitch> he's here
1023 2011-06-13 06:22:04 <lorph> how do i connect to testnet
1024 2011-06-13 06:22:15 <mtrlt> start bitcoin with the flag -testnet
1025 2011-06-13 06:22:17 <topi`> Diablo-D3: I encountered some odd behaviour from your java miner. it pegged cpu at constant 60% while usually it uses very few % of cpu while owrking
1026 2011-06-13 06:22:17 <lorph> i used the switch but every api command i try fails
1027 2011-06-13 06:22:41 <topi`> Diablo-D3: any idea where the CPU is going (i'm not familiar with debugging java)
1028 2011-06-13 06:23:07 <Diablo-D3> topi`: on windows?
1029 2011-06-13 06:23:58 <topi`> Diablo-D3: no, this is on OSX
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1031 2011-06-13 06:24:51 <Diablo-D3> weird, are you using -f?
1032 2011-06-13 06:26:11 <topi`> no
1033 2011-06-13 06:26:31 <topi`> I wonder if there's a "gdb" of sorts for java
1034 2011-06-13 06:27:00 <Diablo-D3> did you try restarting the miner?
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1036 2011-06-13 06:28:43 <topi`> yes, restarting it removed the issue
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1039 2011-06-13 06:28:58 <topi`> it's just that if my laptop starts to make fan noise, then my gf will kill it instantly :D
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1041 2011-06-13 06:29:13 <topi`> she has no tolerance whatsoever towards fan noise while sleeping
1042 2011-06-13 06:29:53 <Diablo-D3> heh
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1046 2011-06-13 06:30:40 <Raccoon> hmm
1047 2011-06-13 06:30:57 <Raccoon> install Notebook Hardware Control
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1049 2011-06-13 06:31:16 <Raccoon> some laptop hardware supports fan control
1050 2011-06-13 06:31:41 <Raccoon> otherwise, you can undervoltage or underclock the cpu so it never heats up enough to kick on the fan
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1052 2011-06-13 06:32:54 <Raccoon> also, if it's using GPU to work, it might be kicking on due to GPU heat
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1069 2011-06-13 06:44:59 <topi`> no, the GPU (actually the whole chipset) consumes 7W when mining at ma
1070 2011-06-13 06:45:00 <topi`> max
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1073 2011-06-13 06:45:15 <topi`> however, if the CPU is pegged, then it can peak at 22 W
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1078 2011-06-13 06:53:31 <Chopes> quick question, long poll: new block, anyone have any idea what that meassage means (reported from guiminer)
1079 2011-06-13 06:55:28 <genewitch> Chopes: you were switched to a new block, because the one you were working on got solved by someone else
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1081 2011-06-13 06:55:41 <genewitch> Chopes: not an error. it's a good thing, means you're not wasting time on stale work
1082 2011-06-13 06:55:46 <Chopes> genewitch how long should I see that message for
1083 2011-06-13 06:55:59 <Chopes> its just sitting between that message and having issues communicating with bitcoin rpc
1084 2011-06-13 06:56:07 <genewitch> Chopes: what pool
1085 2011-06-13 06:56:09 <Chopes> yet my info is good as my other rig is talking to the server np
1086 2011-06-13 06:56:12 <Chopes> mtred.com
1087 2011-06-13 06:56:29 <genewitch> Chopes: do they require workers
1088 2011-06-13 06:56:53 <genewitch> ie chopes.1 chopes.2 chopes.3
1089 2011-06-13 06:57:01 <genewitch> as your username on the mining clients
1090 2011-06-13 06:57:09 <Chopes> yeah i have one for each
1091 2011-06-13 06:57:11 <Chopes> i tried remaking the worker
1092 2011-06-13 06:57:14 <Chopes> same result
1093 2011-06-13 06:57:25 <jgarzik> Chopes: this is more a question for #bitcoin-mining
1094 2011-06-13 06:57:30 <Chopes> ah sorry
1095 2011-06-13 06:57:31 <Chopes> ill head there
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1112 2011-06-13 07:08:54 <genewitch> who is ddosing all the pools?
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1115 2011-06-13 07:09:49 <genewitch> are they trying to stack the difficulty in miner's favors?
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1126 2011-06-13 07:17:17 <[Tycho]> genewitch, I don't think so. It would be useless.
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1130 2011-06-13 07:19:35 <genewitch> [Tycho]: it could be to force down the difficulty unless everyone switches to solo mining or another pool.
1131 2011-06-13 07:19:49 <genewitch> I'm going tos leeep brain hurts, goodnight.
1132 2011-06-13 07:20:07 <[Tycho]> Difficulty won't be affected.
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1150 2011-06-13 07:45:52 <acfrazier> anyone happen to know the call to bitcoind to get the address of the client?
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1160 2011-06-13 07:56:46 <gjs278> acfrazier bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress
1161 2011-06-13 07:57:03 <acfrazier> I tried that, but since I haven't gotten any coins it's blank.
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1163 2011-06-13 07:57:18 <acfrazier> so I just had it spit out a new address.
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1169 2011-06-13 08:04:25 <topi`> damn, my bitcion got 117 connections and I'm on a 2G network... how to limit num of connections?
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1173 2011-06-13 08:06:37 <topi`> ok, maxconnetions keyword in bitcion.conf
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1178 2011-06-13 08:11:34 <roconnor> does a block have to have exactly the correct difficulty target to be acceptable, or can it have a harder target?
1179 2011-06-13 08:12:24 <[Tycho]> Yes.
1180 2011-06-13 08:12:29 <mtrlt> the hash has to be below the target
1181 2011-06-13 08:12:36 <mtrlt> not exactly the target.
1182 2011-06-13 08:12:38 <[Tycho]> It can be "more difficult".
1183 2011-06-13 08:13:00 <jgarzik> roconnor: proof of work check is: hash < target
1184 2011-06-13 08:13:02 <ArtForzZz> wrong
1185 2011-06-13 08:13:04 <roconnor> I mean here specifically the target field (Bits) rather than the hash achieved.
1186 2011-06-13 08:13:13 <[Tycho]> I remember someone finding a block for 800k difficulty some months ago :)
1187 2011-06-13 08:13:15 <ArtForzZz> read the fine source
1188 2011-06-13 08:13:22 <ArtForzZz> it's hash <= target
1189 2011-06-13 08:13:22 <roconnor> the source is not fine
1190 2011-06-13 08:13:49 <mtrlt> roconnor: yes the field has to be correct of course
1191 2011-06-13 08:13:50 <roconnor> anyhow, I'm not refering to the hash <= target check
1192 2011-06-13 08:13:59 <mtrlt> at least i'd sasume so..
1193 2011-06-13 08:13:59 <mtrlt> assume
1194 2011-06-13 08:14:06 <roconnor> I mean that the target field itself
1195 2011-06-13 08:14:15 <mtrlt> yes
1196 2011-06-13 08:14:22 <roconnor> I mean, it could be harder than necessary in principle
1197 2011-06-13 08:14:27 <ArtForzZz> no
1198 2011-06-13 08:14:42 <ArtForzZz> it has to exactly match the calculated nBits
1199 2011-06-13 08:14:46 <roconnor> thanks
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1202 2011-06-13 08:15:05 <ArtForzZz> only exception is the genesis block iirc
1203 2011-06-13 08:16:47 <topi`> would it be possible to need less storage space by taking a "snapshot" of the current block tree, calculating all balances from it, and then storing that metadata and making decisions based on that. i'm thinking of light mobile bitcoin clients.
1204 2011-06-13 08:17:02 <topi`> the goal being enabling mobile payment from a small mobile dvevice
1205 2011-06-13 08:17:25 <topi`> (i.e. not smartphone but a more storage-impaired device)
1206 2011-06-13 08:17:39 <gmaxwell> topi`: not balances, but a summary of open transactions. Though because things change I don't know that this helps you much.. since you'd need the future blocks to check if any of the open txn were later used.
1207 2011-06-13 08:18:00 <roconnor> topi`: that's vaguely how my client is currently operating
1208 2011-06-13 08:18:04 <topi`> the future blocks would get downloaded from the 'net in real time
1209 2011-06-13 08:18:41 <topi`> roconnor: wat's the "business case" of your client?
1210 2011-06-13 08:18:43 <gmaxwell> roconnor: you could certantly be more efficient than the current client. Eg. pregenerating a perfect hash for txn resolution.
1211 2011-06-13 08:18:49 <roconnor> topi`: personal enjoyment
1212 2011-06-13 08:19:02 <topi`> ok :)
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1215 2011-06-13 08:19:18 <gmaxwell> roconnor: if you can assume connectivity (to download the blocks) why not depend on a trusted server to validate the txn?
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1217 2011-06-13 08:19:47 <gmaxwell> (e.g. which could be your system at home, or a trusted third party service or two)
1218 2011-06-13 08:20:22 <topi`> it boils down to the ability of trusting the 3rd party :)
1219 2011-06-13 08:20:59 <roconnor> gmaxwell: ya, I'm not trying to build a thin client for a smart phone.
1220 2011-06-13 08:21:12 <roconnor> gmaxwell: that seems like a good idea for topi I guess
1221 2011-06-13 08:21:55 <gmaxwell> topi`: Okay. Though you could make it so its N parties you consult (one of whom is yourself perhaps) and all N must lie to screw you.
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1224 2011-06-13 08:23:18 <roconnor> if a smartphone has net connectivity, it seems easier, like gmaxwell suggests, to simply have it query your home server to validate transactions.
1225 2011-06-13 08:23:48 <gmaxwell> The connectivity can also be useful for the purpose of better wallet sync.
1226 2011-06-13 08:24:01 <Joric> how many addresses may have a wallet? 2^32?
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1228 2011-06-13 08:24:47 <gmaxwell> Joric: er, I don't think there is an intentional limit though you'll probably hit software bugs or performance issues before 2^32.
1229 2011-06-13 08:25:10 <topi`> maybe a good alternative would be to write small software for server side for keping and validating a block chain for those small clients
1230 2011-06-13 08:25:23 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs has tested rather large numbers of addresses.
1231 2011-06-13 08:26:00 <topi`> 2^32 addresses would consume an inordinate amount of memory
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1233 2011-06-13 08:26:19 <Joric> does client stop generating new addresses at 100?
1234 2011-06-13 08:26:26 <gmaxwell> topi`: go one step further and make it into a generic proxy for bitcoin, and people doing high importance things can use it as a secure gateway to guard their node.
1235 2011-06-13 08:26:47 <gmaxwell> Joric: 100 is the pool sizeâ the amount it generates ahead of what you've used.
1236 2011-06-13 08:27:02 <topi`> joric, no, but the wallet is preseeded with 100 addresses
1237 2011-06-13 08:27:09 <topi`> oh, maybe gmaxwell is right.
1238 2011-06-13 08:27:20 <gmaxwell> topi`: it refills too.
1239 2011-06-13 08:27:30 <topi`> ok
1240 2011-06-13 08:27:43 <gmaxwell> otherwise you'd get burned on backups as soon as you've burned through the first 100.
1241 2011-06-13 08:27:43 <topi`> that's why even a slightly old backup of wallet would work.
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1243 2011-06-13 08:28:50 <roconnor> hmm, the algorithm to set a new target doesn't seem to be documented on the wiki
1244 2011-06-13 08:29:04 <topi`> gmaxwell: the gateway could allow for checking any data fields from a given block in the chain
1245 2011-06-13 08:29:17 <topi`> but then there would be bandwidth problems
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1249 2011-06-13 08:35:39 <linagee> hi, I've been playing with 0.3.23 a bit. can someone help me?
1250 2011-06-13 08:35:59 <linagee> I've been doing tiny donations to people in #bitcoin. it's been working right until about an hour ago
1251 2011-06-13 08:36:25 <linagee> I have transactions that are showing 0/unconfirmed that are 1.5 hours old
1252 2011-06-13 08:36:44 <topi`> that has happened to me, too
1253 2011-06-13 08:36:53 <linagee> topi`: just recently?
1254 2011-06-13 08:37:05 <topi`> but it sometimes happens, when nobody includes your tx in their blocks
1255 2011-06-13 08:37:17 <topi`> if, for example, the amount is very small and you pay no tx fee
1256 2011-06-13 08:37:19 <linagee> topi`: but I am paying 0.0005 BTC. hrm
1257 2011-06-13 08:37:34 <linagee> topi`: are older wallets rounding that to zero?
1258 2011-06-13 08:37:49 <topi`> you should wait that a miner / pool picks it up who does not require tx fees
1259 2011-06-13 08:38:12 <pirrr> Hello, I upgraded to 0.33.22-beta from the ubuntu PPA and I am now getting ~5 connections instead of hundreds on the previous version...
1260 2011-06-13 08:38:14 <linagee> topi`: so not much I can do except wait longer?
1261 2011-06-13 08:38:17 <topi`> no, older wallets record all the decimals, but they might display it as 0.00
1262 2011-06-13 08:38:36 <topi`> linagee: exactly
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1265 2011-06-13 08:39:10 <linagee> topi`: I have made abot half a dozen successful tiny transactions thus far. about half a dozen are hung at 0/unconfirmed. hah
1266 2011-06-13 08:39:27 <linagee> topi`: 0.0006 spent, 0.0005 transaction fee, 0.0001 sent
1267 2011-06-13 08:40:03 <topi`> <I think the client automatically adds a transaction fee if the payment is too small
1268 2011-06-13 08:40:05 <Joric> linagee, i've got yours 0.0001
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1270 2011-06-13 08:40:08 <linagee> topi`: 0.3.22 wallets will show it correctly, right? you are talking about 0.3.20 wallets that do 0.00?
1271 2011-06-13 08:40:26 <linagee> Joric: yes, i see your shows as 29 confirmations
1272 2011-06-13 08:40:45 <pirrr> <pirrr> Hello, I upgraded to 0.33.22-beta from the ubuntu PPA and I am now getting ~5 connections instead of hundreds on the previous version...
1273 2011-06-13 08:40:46 <pirrr> anyone?
1274 2011-06-13 08:40:50 <linagee> Joric: what wallet version do you have and does it show the balance correctly?
1275 2011-06-13 08:40:51 <topi`> yep, I have 0.3.20 and it shows 0.001 as 0.00
1276 2011-06-13 08:41:04 <gmaxwell> hah yea. .20 truncates things to cents.
1277 2011-06-13 08:41:08 <gmaxwell> topi`: why are you running .20?
1278 2011-06-13 08:41:11 <Joric> linagee, all of them, i use 0.3.20 mostly
1279 2011-06-13 08:41:22 <linagee> Joric: mostly? :P
1280 2011-06-13 08:41:27 <topi`> gmaxwell: waiting for debug input on .22 ;)
1281 2011-06-13 08:41:27 <Joric> yes
1282 2011-06-13 08:41:35 <linagee> Joric: my free money thing is meant for new users. :P
1283 2011-06-13 08:41:37 <topi`> i'm conservative and don't want to lose hundreds of BTC ;)
1284 2011-06-13 08:41:46 <Joric> i'm new
1285 2011-06-13 08:41:50 <linagee> ok
1286 2011-06-13 08:42:24 <sneak_> hi guys
1287 2011-06-13 08:42:28 <Joric> dear developers, i've just lost 0.5 BTC
1288 2011-06-13 08:42:33 <sneak_> i've developed a desktop streamer app for mtgox
1289 2011-06-13 08:42:37 <gmaxwell> Joric: How?
1290 2011-06-13 08:42:41 <sneak_> it's ready for release and it looks cool
1291 2011-06-13 08:42:43 <sneak_> but i need an icon
1292 2011-06-13 08:42:54 <sneak_> does anyone want to make me a 512x512 piece of icon art?
1293 2011-06-13 08:42:59 <Joric> balance is smaller by ~0.3 BTC
1294 2011-06-13 08:43:06 <Joric> blockexplorer seems right
1295 2011-06-13 08:43:31 <Joric> didn't know what to do, used bitcointools to clean up wallet, redownloading blocks now
1296 2011-06-13 08:43:32 <gmaxwell> Joric: what sequence events resulted in this?
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1298 2011-06-13 08:44:50 <Joric> gmaxwell, internet went down on connection
1299 2011-06-13 08:45:17 <gmaxwell> Joric: That shouldn't matter.
1300 2011-06-13 08:45:20 <gmaxwell> hm.
1301 2011-06-13 08:45:54 <Joric> i don't really remember details
1302 2011-06-13 08:45:58 <gmaxwell> Joric: are you sure you just weren't seeing the unconfirmed txn that you weren't online to recieve.. but they were confirmed by the time you finished the rescan?
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1307 2011-06-13 08:52:02 <Joric> i've tried to send 0.5 BTC, it said i don't have enough money but somehow saved the transaction in the list (-0.5)
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1309 2011-06-13 08:53:05 <anddam> can bitcoind sens commands to -server?
1310 2011-06-13 08:53:38 <anddam> I'm on a debian box and I don't have any Xorg related stuff so bitcoin is lacking dyld
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1314 2011-06-13 08:54:08 <Joric> there were two transactions (-0.1 and -0.5) it messed somehow, as a result i've got a wrong balance in the client
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1316 2011-06-13 08:55:01 <Joric> i've launched two versions almost simultaneously (0.3.20 and 0.3.21) maybe i've corrupted a wallet
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1318 2011-06-13 08:56:03 <Joric> i have a 2-days old backup didn't try it yet
1319 2011-06-13 08:56:34 <ersi> Maybe this will make you back up your wallet more often, like when trying weird stuff out
1320 2011-06-13 08:57:03 <Joric> like, twice a day? )
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1326 2011-06-13 08:58:32 <Joric> redownloading blocks take forever
1327 2011-06-13 08:58:44 <Wuked> is there any problem in running multiple bitcoin clients in multiple locations with the same wallet ?
1328 2011-06-13 08:58:48 <anddam> Joric: you could save those as well
1329 2011-06-13 08:59:13 <anddam> Wuked: at the same time?
1330 2011-06-13 08:59:32 <Joric> looks like they won't launch simultaneously
1331 2011-06-13 08:59:36 <Wuked> yes, at the same tie
1332 2011-06-13 08:59:46 <anddam> Wuked: from what I read, yes
1333 2011-06-13 08:59:51 <anddam> you'll end forking the wallet
1334 2011-06-13 08:59:57 <Wuked> it's been working fine for me - but I'm just testing
1335 2011-06-13 09:00:01 <Wuked> right O.K
1336 2011-06-13 09:00:09 <anddam> but don't take my word for sure
1337 2011-06-13 09:00:34 <anddam> by the same wallet do you mean copies of the same wallet or the same file shared?
1338 2011-06-13 09:00:52 <Wuked> multiple copies
1339 2011-06-13 09:00:58 <Wuked> two seperatly diff machines
1340 2011-06-13 09:01:00 <Wuked> nothing shared
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1342 2011-06-13 09:01:08 <Wuked> just copy + paste all the files
1343 2011-06-13 09:01:12 <Wuked> and open a new bitcoin
1344 2011-06-13 09:01:19 <Wuked> ( have been doing it on testnet)
1345 2011-06-13 09:01:24 <Joric> is it even possible to launch two instances? (on win32)
1346 2011-06-13 09:02:08 <Joric> didn't read the source, does it check for a running instance?
1347 2011-06-13 09:02:59 <Joric> // Limit to single instance per user
1348 2011-06-13 09:03:09 <Joric> init.cpp 263
1349 2011-06-13 09:03:48 <Joric> i don't use homepath btw
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1351 2011-06-13 09:04:27 <Joric> only --datadir=
1352 2011-06-13 09:06:21 <Joric> // Copyright (c) 2009-2010 Satoshi Nakamoto
1353 2011-06-13 09:06:30 <Joric> doesn't look very well written )
1354 2011-06-13 09:07:12 <Joric> looks like it checks for instances only on wxmsw
1355 2011-06-13 09:08:35 <anddam> Wuked: did you try to perform transaction only on a client? did you get the same wallet.dat at the end?
1356 2011-06-13 09:09:38 <Wuked> I haven't checked exactly
1357 2011-06-13 09:09:43 <Wuked> but after doing a tranaction
1358 2011-06-13 09:09:48 <Wuked> both clients show the same info
1359 2011-06-13 09:10:00 <Wuked> haven't checked the exact checksum of the wallet file
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1362 2011-06-13 09:12:19 <jgarzik> Wuked: you'll toast your wallet that way
1363 2011-06-13 09:12:25 <jgarzik> Joric: yes, you can run multiple instances
1364 2011-06-13 09:12:41 <jgarzik> Joric: provide a different data directory, and get the TCP port binding right
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1366 2011-06-13 09:13:13 <anddam> is there a ncurses bitcoin-interface
1367 2011-06-13 09:13:14 <eamon> is Poclbm-mod still better than poclbm?
1368 2011-06-13 09:13:17 <Joric> jgarzik, what if i use the same data directory (--datadir) for both versions?
1369 2011-06-13 09:13:17 <jgarzik> anddam: yes, bitcoind can act as a JSON-RPC client
1370 2011-06-13 09:13:19 <anddam> ?
1371 2011-06-13 09:13:25 <jgarzik> Joric: you'll toast your data
1372 2011-06-13 09:13:40 <anddam> jgarzik: thanks, I already figured and I'm playing with testnet
1373 2011-06-13 09:14:57 <eamon> jgarzik: when compiling pushpool, I have jasson installed in /home/eamon/apps/ , How do I tell pushpool's ./configure to look there? This has been bugging me since yesterday
1374 2011-06-13 09:14:57 <Joric> jgarzik, shouldn't you check for the same directory rather than for the same user?
1375 2011-06-13 09:15:30 <jgarzik> eamon: the same way you pass flags to all configure scripts: CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, LIBS, ...
1376 2011-06-13 09:16:00 <eamon> which flag is jasson?
1377 2011-06-13 09:16:10 <eamon> trial and error?
1378 2011-06-13 09:16:41 <jgarzik> eamon: not here to teach basic Linux class, sorry
1379 2011-06-13 09:16:53 <eamon> could you be so kind as to give me an example?
1380 2011-06-13 09:16:53 <jgarzik> eamon: find someone to build a package for you
1381 2011-06-13 09:17:05 <eamon> please bud
1382 2011-06-13 09:17:11 <eamon> no one will help me
1383 2011-06-13 09:17:21 <eamon> not even in the #linux channels
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1386 2011-06-13 09:17:38 <gjs278> just install jansson for real
1387 2011-06-13 09:17:41 <gjs278> with make install
1388 2011-06-13 09:17:49 <eamon> I did that
1389 2011-06-13 09:18:18 <gjs278> but did you install it to /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib
1390 2011-06-13 09:18:19 <gjs278> or that dir
1391 2011-06-13 09:18:23 <eamon> but when I configured it I used --prefix=/home/eamon/apps because I don't have admin privs
1392 2011-06-13 09:18:28 <gjs278> oh
1393 2011-06-13 09:19:01 <eamon> bu thten when I do the same with pushpool it wont compile
1394 2011-06-13 09:19:14 <eamon> I know about CFLAGS
1395 2011-06-13 09:19:18 <gjs278> well
1396 2011-06-13 09:19:26 <eamon> but I have no idea how to use them
1397 2011-06-13 09:19:33 <gjs278> -I/home/eamon/apps
1398 2011-06-13 09:19:36 <gjs278> you have to add that
1399 2011-06-13 09:19:37 <gjs278> to your make
1400 2011-06-13 09:19:45 <ersi> :|
1401 2011-06-13 09:19:50 <eamon> ok
1402 2011-06-13 09:19:51 <gjs278> is there a MakeFile
1403 2011-06-13 09:19:55 <gjs278> pastebin it if so
1404 2011-06-13 09:19:58 <eamon> elmme check
1405 2011-06-13 09:20:00 <nathan7> xelister: No, I'm basically forced to take Ritalin
1406 2011-06-13 09:20:08 <ersi> "Compiling 101: The compiler and accompaning utilitise and you!"
1407 2011-06-13 09:20:23 <jgarzik> gjs278: pushpool is autotools. the makefile is stupidly large. you pass flags to the configure script, not makefile, as stated above.
1408 2011-06-13 09:20:35 <sneak_> hi guys, any mac users want to help me test out a mtgox live feed app?
1409 2011-06-13 09:20:40 <sneak_> https://eeqj.com/p/sparkle.appcast/MtGoxWatcher-0.2.0.zip
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1411 2011-06-13 09:20:47 <nathan7> xelister: So, no, I don't use drugs voluntarily or recreationally
1412 2011-06-13 09:20:52 <diki> like lol
1413 2011-06-13 09:21:05 <diki> Do i see the founder of silk road
1414 2011-06-13 09:21:13 <diki> or do i see the founder of silk road?
1415 2011-06-13 09:21:23 <eamon> gjs278: there's makefile.am and makefile.in
1416 2011-06-13 09:21:24 <gjs278> I figured it was the bitcoin setup with makefile.unix
1417 2011-06-13 09:21:54 <eamon> ok, so I need o pass flags to the configure script
1418 2011-06-13 09:21:59 <jgarzik> gjs278: he is compiling pushpool, not bitcoin
1419 2011-06-13 09:22:03 <gjs278> yeah
1420 2011-06-13 09:22:12 <gjs278> better software
1421 2011-06-13 09:22:21 <sneak_> CFLAGS="-I$prefix/include -L$prefix/lib" ./configure --prefix=$prefix
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1423 2011-06-13 09:22:45 <eamon> Awesome! Thank you soooo much sneak_!!!!!
1424 2011-06-13 09:22:56 <sneak_> better yet
1425 2011-06-13 09:22:59 <sneak_> do this before you run it
1426 2011-06-13 09:23:00 <xelister> nathan7: how about alcohol
1427 2011-06-13 09:23:03 <eamon> You don't know how long I've been ttrying to figure this out
1428 2011-06-13 09:23:09 <sneak_> prefix=/home/eamon/apps
1429 2011-06-13 09:23:12 <sneak_> also, don't call it "apps"
1430 2011-06-13 09:23:15 <sneak_> call it "local"
1431 2011-06-13 09:23:16 <sneak_> that's the convention
1432 2011-06-13 09:23:28 <sneak_> or call it $HOME/tmp/builddeps or something
1433 2011-06-13 09:23:31 <ersi> But Apps is Computing 2.0!
1434 2011-06-13 09:23:37 <gjs278> call it opt
1435 2011-06-13 09:23:40 <nathan7> xelister: I don't consume ethanol.
1436 2011-06-13 09:23:42 <sneak_> opt means something else
1437 2011-06-13 09:23:57 <nathan7> As a matter of fact, I can't legally.
1438 2011-06-13 09:24:00 <gjs278> opt means dump this here because your package manager didnt have it
1439 2011-06-13 09:24:13 <gjs278> and it selfcontains
1440 2011-06-13 09:24:28 <nathan7> But I don't enjoy it and I'm quite sensitive to it because I don't have some enormous tolerance.
1441 2011-06-13 09:24:35 <sneak_> lol
1442 2011-06-13 09:24:41 <sneak_> nathan7: it helps if you have fat girls around
1443 2011-06-13 09:24:49 <sneak_> that's what's always made drinking fun for me
1444 2011-06-13 09:24:55 <xelister> nathan7: well ok then
1445 2011-06-13 09:25:15 <nathan7> sneak_: Why would that make it any more fun?
1446 2011-06-13 09:25:29 <sneak_> because you drink and make fun of them for being fat, and that's like stage one fun
1447 2011-06-13 09:25:38 <sneak_> then you're drunk and you can fuck them without caring so much
1448 2011-06-13 09:25:41 <sneak_> that's stage two fun
1449 2011-06-13 09:25:45 <sneak_> it's win/win
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1454 2011-06-13 09:27:00 <eamon> ok, the CFLAGS aren't finding a jasson library
1455 2011-06-13 09:27:09 <Wuked> slushs pool down ? :o
1456 2011-06-13 09:27:35 <directhex> Wuked, looks like it.
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1458 2011-06-13 09:27:59 <eamon> CFLAGS="-I/home/ranunculoid/apps/include -L/come/ranunculoid/apps/lib" ./configure --prefix=/home/ranunculoid/apps/
1459 2011-06-13 09:28:05 <eamon> is that right?
1460 2011-06-13 09:28:24 <ersi> No
1461 2011-06-13 09:28:33 <Wuked> I guess now would be a good time to give my pool a test ? :D
1462 2011-06-13 09:28:34 <nathan7> sneak: ..no
1463 2011-06-13 09:28:37 <gjs278> /come/
1464 2011-06-13 09:28:41 * ersi facepalms
1465 2011-06-13 09:28:48 <nathan7> For one, girls avoid me.
1466 2011-06-13 09:28:49 <eamon> I'll try this CFLAGS="-I/home/ranunculoid/apps/include -L/come/ranunculoid/apps/lib" LIBS="-I/home/ranunculoid/apps/include -L/come/ranunculoid/apps/lib" ./configure --prefix=/home/ranunculoid/apps/
1467 2011-06-13 09:28:52 <nathan7> And I dislike parties.
1468 2011-06-13 09:28:54 <gjs278> try /home
1469 2011-06-13 09:28:57 <gjs278> instead of /come
1470 2011-06-13 09:29:02 <eamon> can you string them up like that?
1471 2011-06-13 09:29:09 <eamon> aaaaaah
1472 2011-06-13 09:29:35 <sneak> eamon: just use variables
1473 2011-06-13 09:29:37 <nathan7> Hmm.. does ~ work in double quotes?
1474 2011-06-13 09:29:45 <sneak> DD="${HOME}/apps"
1475 2011-06-13 09:29:45 <nathan7> Nope.
1476 2011-06-13 09:29:51 <sneak> you want $HOME
1477 2011-06-13 09:30:20 <eamon> ayay it wonked!
1478 2011-06-13 09:30:24 <sneak> CFLAGS="-I${DD}/include -L${DD}/lib" LIBS="-L${DD}/lib" ./configure --prefix="$DD"
1479 2011-06-13 09:30:32 <sneak> much easier on the brain
1480 2011-06-13 09:31:10 <eamon> so if I type DD="${HOME}/apps", bash will hold that until the next line?
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1482 2011-06-13 09:31:17 <eamon> that's really neat
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1493 2011-06-13 09:37:49 <nathan7> eamon: Yes, but you'd have to export it if you want a program to see it.
1494 2011-06-13 09:37:52 <drdig> morning
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1496 2011-06-13 09:38:37 <eps> ;;bc,stats
1497 2011-06-13 09:38:38 <eamon> nathan7: Yes, I have heard this EXPORT nomenclature before.
1498 2011-06-13 09:38:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130471 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 568 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 47 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 828596.12065983
1499 2011-06-13 09:39:13 <drdig> i am really unfamiliar with linux but lately i installed bitcoind on an centos machine... after launching it, it doesn't prompt anything... i geuss this is due to initialization? can i check how it progresses?
1500 2011-06-13 09:39:35 <gjs278> does it just hang there
1501 2011-06-13 09:39:42 <gjs278> if so do bitcoind -daemon -server
1502 2011-06-13 09:40:15 <gjs278> do bitcoind stop in another shell to stop it for now and try the -daemon and -server one
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1504 2011-06-13 09:41:18 <gjs278> while that's going, you can do bitcoind getblocknumber and bitcoind getblockcount to see if its caught up on the blockchain yet
1505 2011-06-13 09:41:54 <drdig> thank you very much @gjs278!!!
1506 2011-06-13 09:42:14 <drdig> AWESOME! that worked out!
1507 2011-06-13 09:42:19 <gjs278> enjoy
1508 2011-06-13 09:42:44 <gjs278> you can do bitcoind help to see the rest of the commands for getting details like your balance and whatever else
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1513 2011-06-13 09:49:08 <anddam> gjs278: bitcoind implies -server, doesn't it?
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1515 2011-06-13 09:49:29 <gjs278> you'd think so
1516 2011-06-13 09:49:37 <gjs278> he might have only needed -daemon
1517 2011-06-13 09:49:41 <gjs278> but I forget which
1518 2011-06-13 09:50:07 <anddam> gjs278: I think so because 'bitcoind -?' shows no -server option
1519 2011-06-13 09:50:11 <gjs278> bitcoind used to also imply -daemon but not you have to specify it
1520 2011-06-13 09:50:18 <gjs278> now*
1521 2011-06-13 09:50:23 <gjs278> yeah -server is probably useless
1522 2011-06-13 09:50:31 <anddam> -daemon is the usual "go fork yourself in background"
1523 2011-06-13 09:50:42 <gjs278> -daemon used to be default
1524 2011-06-13 09:50:52 <gjs278> and then the if blocks for it got changed
1525 2011-06-13 09:50:55 <gjs278> or something
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1527 2011-06-13 09:51:24 <wumpus> anddam: yes, bitcoind (no gui) implies -server
1528 2011-06-13 09:54:00 <anddam> wumpus: writing "bitcoind (no gui)" seems to suggest there's a GUI bitcoind
1529 2011-06-13 09:54:17 <wumpus> no, bitcoind implies no gui
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1531 2011-06-13 09:54:32 <eamon> sneak , can you help me please? I know I need to pass on another flag of some sort, but I don't know which one.... http://dpaste.de/Qpsm/
1532 2011-06-13 09:54:35 <gjs278> what the hell does D in bitcoind stand for
1533 2011-06-13 09:54:40 <wumpus> daemon
1534 2011-06-13 09:54:42 <eamon> daemon
1535 2011-06-13 09:54:50 <gjs278> so then why do you have to -daemon
1536 2011-06-13 09:54:59 <Bwild> usually implies a background process
1537 2011-06-13 09:55:02 <wumpus> like syslogd, klogd, acpid, etc
1538 2011-06-13 09:55:09 <gjs278> of course
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1542 2011-06-13 09:55:26 <eamon> can someone with basic linux knowlege look at this pls
1543 2011-06-13 09:55:27 <eamon> http://dpaste.de/Qpsm/
1544 2011-06-13 09:55:38 <anddam> wumpus: I know, I was pointing out what it suggested
1545 2011-06-13 09:55:48 <gjs278> it just seems weird that -daemon isn't on by default. I can only imagine more people are going to try just bitcoind without -daemon and see it hang than people who really want no daemon by default
1546 2011-06-13 09:56:13 <wumpus> so do you have to provide daemon?
1547 2011-06-13 09:56:22 <gjs278> yes
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1549 2011-06-13 09:56:31 <wumpus> huh if you don't it won't fork to the background?
1550 2011-06-13 09:56:56 <wumpus> I can't remember ever specifying it
1551 2011-06-13 09:56:58 <gjs278> I can't see any reason you wouldn't want it to fork but -nodaemon would be better for that
1552 2011-06-13 09:57:01 <anddam> eamon: how's linux involved there?
1553 2011-06-13 09:57:31 <eamon> Im compiling on linux
1554 2011-06-13 09:57:40 <gjs278> wumpus what's your version
1555 2011-06-13 09:57:44 <eamon> so I need people who know linux commands
1556 2011-06-13 09:57:52 <wumpus> latest git
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1558 2011-06-13 09:58:00 <gjs278> gotcha
1559 2011-06-13 09:58:02 <anddam> eamon: you shouldn't call everything "linux" you're getting yourself confused
1560 2011-06-13 09:58:24 <anddam> eamon: add /home/ranunculoid/apps/bin to your PATH env variable
1561 2011-06-13 09:58:25 <gjs278> when I upped from like .20 or .21 beta I had to start doing -daemon
1562 2011-06-13 09:58:36 <eamon> thx anddam
1563 2011-06-13 09:58:49 <anddam> eamon: or just install memcached in your system
1564 2011-06-13 09:58:50 <gjs278> eamon
1565 2011-06-13 09:58:52 <gjs278> CFLAGS="-I${DD}/include -L${DD}/lib" LIBS="-L${DD}/lib" ./configure --prefix="$DD"
1566 2011-06-13 09:59:01 <anddam> eamon: what system is it? (don't say 'linux')
1567 2011-06-13 09:59:01 <gjs278> just put DD in that same line
1568 2011-06-13 09:59:09 <wumpus> looks like you're right
1569 2011-06-13 09:59:10 <eamon> Debian
1570 2011-06-13 09:59:19 <eamon> I don't have sudo access
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1572 2011-06-13 09:59:33 <eamon> So I have to install everything in the home dir
1573 2011-06-13 09:59:34 <gjs278> wumpus I believe it's unintentional but happened due to the way the DAEMON block was capture
1574 2011-06-13 09:59:43 <gjs278> it was using a different check before
1575 2011-06-13 09:59:59 <gjs278> one that always made bitcoind -daemon itself
1576 2011-06-13 10:00:01 <wumpus> ok a pull request would be welcome, I don't think this is intended behaviour
1577 2011-06-13 10:00:03 <gjs278> or something
1578 2011-06-13 10:00:32 <gjs278> I've been talking about it for like three weeks now lol
1579 2011-06-13 10:00:45 <gjs278> it absolutely killed me trying to setup monit
1580 2011-06-13 10:01:02 <anddam> if you're using bash add export PATH="$HOME/apps/bin:$PATH" to your ~/.bash_profile
1581 2011-06-13 10:01:15 <anddam> eamon: that was meant for you
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1583 2011-06-13 10:01:25 <jav_> This this comes up so often, I have extended the FAQ entry on what exactly is computed during the mining process (see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ#Is_mining_used_for_some_useful_computation.3F) .. any objections/corrections? ... also: is there a good toy miner out there, which could be linked there, for those inclined to read some source code?
1584 2011-06-13 10:01:43 <eamon> anddam: thanks
1585 2011-06-13 10:03:13 <tcatm> jav_: great! I just don't like the "that starts with a certain number of zeros." part. can you improve that to "hash <= target"
1586 2011-06-13 10:04:01 <sipa> the 'some number of zeroes' explanation is easier for people who fail to see the sha256 output as a number
1587 2011-06-13 10:04:14 <sipa> but it's a common misunderstanding as well
1588 2011-06-13 10:04:46 <tcatm> + something like "when interpreted as a 256 bit number" :)
1589 2011-06-13 10:04:51 <pusle> jav_: perhaps explain the "outpace an attacker" a little more. ( blocks protecting each other etc)
1590 2011-06-13 10:04:55 <nathan7> SHA256 is usually represented as hex
1591 2011-06-13 10:05:03 <nathan7> But that doesn't make it any less of a number.
1592 2011-06-13 10:05:24 <jav_> pusle: I won't go into that.. I merely want to have a good answer to: "are we cracking hashes for the CIA?"
1593 2011-06-13 10:05:26 <sipa> nathan7: of course, most people here know that
1594 2011-06-13 10:05:36 <pusle> okay :)
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1596 2011-06-13 10:05:53 <anddam> is there a bitcoin interactive console?
1597 2011-06-13 10:06:18 <tcatm> anddam: I have a cli branch for bitcoind
1598 2011-06-13 10:07:18 <tcatm> https://github.com/tcatm/bitcoin/tree/cli you have to input the pre-formatted JSON for now
1599 2011-06-13 10:07:22 <wumpus> jav_: not for the CIA :p
1600 2011-06-13 10:07:35 <anddam> tcatm: are you offering elf32 binaries?
1601 2011-06-13 10:07:43 <tcatm> nope
1602 2011-06-13 10:07:46 <TD> jav_: it looks ok. my only concern would be the FAQ becoming too technical
1603 2011-06-13 10:08:08 <wumpus> jav_: but seriously, no, the miners can not be used for generic brute forcing of keys as-is
1604 2011-06-13 10:08:27 <nathan7> sipa: Mhm
1605 2011-06-13 10:09:08 <nathan7> I think people should be taught about hexadecimal and binary in school.
1606 2011-06-13 10:09:10 <jav_> wumpus: I know.. I just wrote a FAQ entry about it ;-P
1607 2011-06-13 10:09:18 <wumpus> jav_: ok :)
1608 2011-06-13 10:09:42 <wumpus> jav_: would be funny though, just start a mining pool as front to a password cracking service
1609 2011-06-13 10:10:34 <eamon> I got jgarzik-pushpool-d917fe3 to configure, but when I go to make I get server.c:106:2: error: #error ("No valid database engines defined"). I have msql installed.... what do?
1610 2011-06-13 10:10:47 <eamon> *MySQL
1611 2011-06-13 10:11:44 <wumpus> interesting idea though.. 'help bruteforcing keys, get paid out in btc for every found password' .. suppose it'd pay more than mining :p
1612 2011-06-13 10:11:58 <nathan7> ..fun
1613 2011-06-13 10:12:37 <nathan7> If that'd be extended to WEP cracking... :D
1614 2011-06-13 10:12:46 <wumpus> of course
1615 2011-06-13 10:12:47 <TD> nathan7: they are, at least in the uk
1616 2011-06-13 10:12:52 * TD forgets when different bases are convered
1617 2011-06-13 10:12:53 <TD> 15? 16?
1618 2011-06-13 10:12:59 <eamon> mysql is installed in {HOME]/private/mysql how han I add this to the make?
1619 2011-06-13 10:13:07 <eamon> {HOME}
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1622 2011-06-13 10:13:57 <eamon> PATH="$HOME/private/mysql:$PATH" ?
1623 2011-06-13 10:13:58 <diki> eamon, you need mysql dev
1624 2011-06-13 10:14:02 <eamon> would that work?
1625 2011-06-13 10:14:36 <diki> eamon -> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10321.0
1626 2011-06-13 10:14:38 <eamon> ok, funny that the configure script iddn't catch that
1627 2011-06-13 10:14:46 <eamon> thanks diki
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1629 2011-06-13 10:15:59 <nathan7> Sometimes I'm trying to get myself an internet connection and I can get only a few hundred IVs.
1630 2011-06-13 10:16:11 <nathan7> I have a GPRS connection and the IV data is only a few kB at most.
1631 2011-06-13 10:16:49 <nathan7> It'd take ages to crack that with my netbook, so sending it over GPRS to a more powerful computer would work very well.
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1634 2011-06-13 10:20:23 <Joric> jgarzik, what is the complexity of algo that will sort addresses by the balance?
1635 2011-06-13 10:20:39 <Joric> i see there's an blkindex.dat must be some kind of index )
1636 2011-06-13 10:20:44 <SomeoneWeird> Hey guys, im just wondering if I can bundle poclbm with my program, seeing as it's under the public domain?
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1638 2011-06-13 10:20:53 <sipa> Joric: O(n) in the number of transactions
1639 2011-06-13 10:21:28 <Joric> +sorting, yeah?
1640 2011-06-13 10:21:45 <sipa> Joric: or, sorting... O(n+m*log(m)), with n the number of transactions, and m the number of addresses
1641 2011-06-13 10:22:02 <sipa> actually, make n the number of transaction outputs
1642 2011-06-13 10:22:12 <Joric> i just thought it would need a supercomputer
1643 2011-06-13 10:22:15 <jav_> tcatm: I incorporated your suggestion.. hopefully without confusing anybody who typically doesn't think of a hash as a number
1644 2011-06-13 10:22:26 <anddam> how many blocks are there in testnet?
1645 2011-06-13 10:22:29 <AntiVigilante> when is the client .3.22 or .3.23 getting to debian?
1646 2011-06-13 10:22:43 <directhex> when the maintainer packages it
1647 2011-06-13 10:22:51 <AntiVigilante> what's the best sources for sources.list
1648 2011-06-13 10:22:58 <SomeoneWeird> ><
1649 2011-06-13 10:23:07 <anddam> AntiVigilante: do you mean debian's repo or just a deb package?
1650 2011-06-13 10:23:18 <AntiVigilante> debian's repo
1651 2011-06-13 10:23:19 <viggi> Hilighting <_<
1652 2011-06-13 10:23:37 <anddam> eh, you have to ask debian's bug tracker then
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1654 2011-06-13 10:23:55 <anddam> bitcoind is a bit painful to use
1655 2011-06-13 10:24:08 <AntiVigilante> i got used to it
1656 2011-06-13 10:24:10 <SomeoneWeird> can't you just compile the client?
1657 2011-06-13 10:24:30 <AntiVigilante> I'd rather not have crap all over
1658 2011-06-13 10:24:35 <anddam> SomeoneWeird: I can but what's the point?
1659 2011-06-13 10:25:06 <anddam> this is a VPS without Xorg
1660 2011-06-13 10:25:21 <diki> lol got a getwork from bitcoin that contained the word 'dead'
1661 2011-06-13 10:25:29 <nathan7> 0xDEADBEEF? q=
1662 2011-06-13 10:25:33 <eamon> diki: I'm trying to install mysql-dev from source but I get the configure error "config.status: error: cannot find input file: Docs/Makefile.in". How can I remedy this?
1663 2011-06-13 10:26:10 <diki> Don't know, i never got that issue
1664 2011-06-13 10:26:17 <diki> for me, everything installed flawlessly
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1666 2011-06-13 10:26:50 <eamon> it was so close to the end of the configure script too...
1667 2011-06-13 10:27:37 <CIA-90> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r91 /trunk/ (9 files in 2 dirs):
1668 2011-06-13 10:27:37 <CIA-90> bitcoinj: Refactor the serialization logic:
1669 2011-06-13 10:27:37 <CIA-90> bitcoinj: - Extract serialization code out of NetworkConnection into a new class
1670 2011-06-13 10:27:44 <eamon> Is there another mysql-dev I can try? I'm using the one on the debian site, maybe there's somewhere else I can dl from
1671 2011-06-13 10:27:50 * eamon googles
1672 2011-06-13 10:28:05 <AntiVigilante> why do you need mysql-dev?
1673 2011-06-13 10:28:37 <eps> pushpool?
1674 2011-06-13 10:28:44 <SomeoneWeird> apt-get it?
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1676 2011-06-13 10:29:03 <diki> eamon -> sudo apt-get install libmysqld-dev
1677 2011-06-13 10:29:15 <diki> although why mysqlD
1678 2011-06-13 10:29:43 <eamon> diki, I don't have sudo privs
1679 2011-06-13 10:29:52 <eamon> everything must come from source
1680 2011-06-13 10:30:05 <diki> that, is gonna be painful
1681 2011-06-13 10:30:17 <SomeoneWeird> :s
1682 2011-06-13 10:30:23 <eamon> apparently pushpool won't install without it AntiVigilante
1683 2011-06-13 10:30:46 <SomeoneWeird> Your trying to run a pool on a box you don't have admin privs on?
1684 2011-06-13 10:30:46 <eamon> I have everything else compiled, all the dependencies. All I need now is mysql
1685 2011-06-13 10:30:52 <eamon> yes
1686 2011-06-13 10:30:57 <SomeoneWeird> ok...
1687 2011-06-13 10:32:12 <diki> you know, on some things i wasn't able to make install them unless i invoked sudo
1688 2011-06-13 10:32:53 <SomeoneWeird> yeah, you won't be able to install mysql without sudo
1689 2011-06-13 10:32:55 <bob2> sure, you can't install to /usr/ without root
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1691 2011-06-13 10:33:08 <bob2> 99% sure you can install mysql without root
1692 2011-06-13 10:33:33 <wumpus> bob2: 100% sure if you build from source
1693 2011-06-13 10:33:39 <bob2> for sure
1694 2011-06-13 10:33:44 <SomeoneWeird> hm
1695 2011-06-13 10:33:59 <Wuked> I'm looking for a few people to help me test my new pool, have been running it on the test network for a few days now with no problems, am now running on the real network and could do with some more power :)
1696 2011-06-13 10:34:17 <diki> i have also built from source, but it wouldnt let me unless i used sudo
1697 2011-06-13 10:34:21 <wumpus> binaries ususally have some hardcoded paths
1698 2011-06-13 10:34:40 <anddam> is there a limit about addresses or accounts?
1699 2011-06-13 10:34:42 <anddam> I mean hardcoded
1700 2011-06-13 10:34:57 <wumpus> anddam: no
1701 2011-06-13 10:34:59 <bob2> diki: do you mean 'make install didn't work without sudo'?
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1703 2011-06-13 10:35:12 <diki> on some programs
1704 2011-06-13 10:35:24 <AAA_awright> Isn't there a realtime RPC API to get notified when there's a new block?
1705 2011-06-13 10:35:24 <ersi> well, duh.
1706 2011-06-13 10:35:39 <AAA_awright> Long-polling at least?
1707 2011-06-13 10:35:56 <wumpus> diki: use a --prefix within your homedir
1708 2011-06-13 10:35:57 <bob2> diki: sure, can't install to /usr/ without root privs (or being a member of some magic group on some systems)
1709 2011-06-13 10:36:14 <bob2> diki: ./configure almost always takes a prefix arg, which you'll need to use to point at a dir you can write to
1710 2011-06-13 10:36:28 <diki> nah, i dont use the prefix
1711 2011-06-13 10:36:38 <diki> i just make install
1712 2011-06-13 10:36:43 <diki> with sudo ofc
1713 2011-06-13 10:36:45 <wumpus> yes then you need sudo
1714 2011-06-13 10:36:46 <bob2> unsurprising it failed then
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1717 2011-06-13 10:41:43 <drdig> do you know if the bitcoin daemon by default only accepts local connections?
1718 2011-06-13 10:42:01 <anddam> does Gavin Andresen wander around on Freenode?
1719 2011-06-13 10:42:09 <roconnor> yes
1720 2011-06-13 10:42:38 <anddam> using what nick? I can't find a decent reference
1721 2011-06-13 10:42:44 <mtrlt> gavinandresen
1722 2011-06-13 10:42:49 <mtrlt> surprisingly :p
1723 2011-06-13 10:43:01 * nathan7 stares at mtrlt with suspicion
1724 2011-06-13 10:43:10 <anddam> pretty non-self-explanatory
1725 2011-06-13 10:43:12 <mtrlt> o_O
1726 2011-06-13 10:43:22 * mtrlt stares back
1727 2011-06-13 10:43:26 <diki> lol
1728 2011-06-13 10:43:30 <anddam> Stares Wars
1729 2011-06-13 10:43:45 <diki> even more lol
1730 2011-06-13 10:43:55 * nathan7 stares harder
1731 2011-06-13 10:43:55 <nathan7> [mtrlt bursts into flame.]
1732 2011-06-13 10:44:03 <mtrlt> X_x
1733 2011-06-13 10:44:06 <mtrlt> ffuuuu
1734 2011-06-13 10:44:20 <anddam> drdig: I think it's written on wiki, you have to setup bitcoin.conf for that
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1736 2011-06-13 10:45:07 <mtrlt> hey, wasn't gavin supposed to speak at CIA or something :P
1737 2011-06-13 10:45:13 <mtrlt> some day in june
1738 2011-06-13 10:45:20 <drdig> anddam: thx a lot, I'll check that
1739 2011-06-13 10:45:39 <drdig> mtrlt: I heard about that too
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1741 2011-06-13 10:47:15 <mtrlt> if he did it already, i have a conspiracy theory: the BTC value movements of the last couple of days were CIA trying how easily they could influence the price :p
1742 2011-06-13 10:47:48 <drdig> bitcoin watch says current hashrate is ~80,000.00 Teraflop/s , is it true that this is about 40x the power ofthe best supercomputer?
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1744 2011-06-13 10:48:00 <nathan7> Interesting, drdig.
1745 2011-06-13 10:48:20 <nathan7> Hm, I'd better go get some breakfast.
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1747 2011-06-13 10:49:28 <drdig> according to wiki the top 1 supercomputer has idk exactly, but sth like 2000 Teraflop/s??? is the power of bitcoin hashing really that strong?
1748 2011-06-13 10:50:19 <diki> ;;bc,statrs
1749 2011-06-13 10:50:20 <gribble> Error: "bc,statrs" is not a valid command.
1750 2011-06-13 10:50:21 <diki> ;;bc,stats
1751 2011-06-13 10:50:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130488 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 551 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 9 hours, 42 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 832488.99137750
1752 2011-06-13 10:50:36 <anddam> I see 6.3 Thps on bitcoinchrats
1753 2011-06-13 10:50:39 <anddam> charts
1754 2011-06-13 10:50:40 <eamon> still trying ot install pushpool...
1755 2011-06-13 10:50:45 <eamon> http://dpaste.de/0yVZ/
1756 2011-06-13 10:51:09 <mtrlt> i wonder what value they're using to convert a bitcoin hash computation to floating point operations.. as the hash computation does not use floating point operations
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1758 2011-06-13 10:51:45 <eamon> server.o: In function `cli_read_hdr':
1759 2011-06-13 10:51:45 <eamon> server.c:(.text+0x9df): undefined reference to `le32toh'
1760 2011-06-13 10:51:45 <eamon> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
1761 2011-06-13 10:51:45 <eamon> make[1]: *** [pushpoold] Error 1
1762 2011-06-13 10:51:50 <eamon> any ideas?
1763 2011-06-13 10:51:57 <ersi> You're doing something wrong
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1765 2011-06-13 10:52:24 <eamon> Here's everything I did: http://dpaste.de/0yVZ/
1766 2011-06-13 10:52:34 <anddam> eamon: any reason you aren't running provided binaries?
1767 2011-06-13 10:52:42 <anddam> eamon: bitcoind works just fine
1768 2011-06-13 10:53:01 <gmaxwell> mtrlt: took some random card's float numbers and scaled it against it's mining and then applied that to the total.
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1770 2011-06-13 10:53:30 <eamon> anddam: do I need to have bitcoin installed before this will work? I'm trying to set up a pool.
1771 2011-06-13 10:53:33 <gmaxwell> kinda daft though, it's not like linpak scales well on pcie-1x plus very narrow internet pipes :)
1772 2011-06-13 10:53:42 <mtrlt> :P
1773 2011-06-13 10:53:58 <eamon> anddam: because I don't have sudo access
1774 2011-06-13 10:54:06 <anddam> eamon: idk about mining
1775 2011-06-13 10:54:20 <eamon> anddam: And are there even provided binaries for pushpool? I did not know that
1776 2011-06-13 10:54:23 <anddam> eamon: you're going to setup a mining pool on a machine you don't have sudo access
1777 2011-06-13 10:54:42 <anddam> eamon: so you probably don't have physical access to it, is CPU mining worth it?
1778 2011-06-13 10:55:03 <eamon> it wont be mining, it will be a pool server
1779 2011-06-13 10:55:05 <ersi> He's not going to Mine on it. He's going to be running the pool
1780 2011-06-13 10:55:49 <eamon> jgarzik: We're stumped. Any ideas? http://dpaste.de/0yVZ/
1781 2011-06-13 10:55:58 <gmaxwell> eamon: I would suggest that if you're asking "do I need to have bitcoin installed" (yes) than you're going to need to learn a bit more before setting up a pool.
1782 2011-06-13 10:56:23 <eamon> do I need to install it before the pool software is what i'm asking
1783 2011-06-13 10:56:25 <gmaxwell> oh but not having bitcoin is not why you're having compile issues.
1784 2011-06-13 10:56:36 <eamon> i.e. does the order of installation matter
1785 2011-06-13 10:56:49 <eamon> that's what I was wondering
1786 2011-06-13 10:57:03 <gmaxwell> Not having htole32 means something is busted on your machine.
1787 2011-06-13 10:57:33 <anddam> eamon: my guess is that bitcoind is enough for a pool
1788 2011-06-13 10:57:38 <gmaxwell> Is that not a linux system?
1789 2011-06-13 10:57:49 <eamon> yes, it's debian 6
1790 2011-06-13 10:59:56 <ersi> Heh. You and diki should team up
1791 2011-06-13 11:00:29 <ersi> Then you could run an super duper optimized pool on a 256MB RAM VM on a desktop with shitty internet and strip both of you of your root privileges
1792 2011-06-13 11:01:00 <anddam> eamon: you're lacking packages
1793 2011-06-13 11:01:06 <anddam> kfreebsd-kernel-headers in this case
1794 2011-06-13 11:02:23 <eamon> anddam: thank you, kind sir
1795 2011-06-13 11:02:56 <anddam> yw, not that I've been of much help
1796 2011-06-13 11:03:03 <anddam> anyone on OS X?
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1798 2011-06-13 11:05:09 <diki> never imagined coding a pool frontend would be so hard...
1799 2011-06-13 11:05:45 * ersi saves quote
1800 2011-06-13 11:05:52 <diki> i thought it would be a snap, but when i started doing it
1801 2011-06-13 11:06:08 <diki> i already found some stuff to be hard to implement although not remotely close to impossible
1802 2011-06-13 11:06:21 <anddam> how do I set a label from bitcoind?
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1804 2011-06-13 11:06:49 <anddam> can I at all?
1805 2011-06-13 11:08:00 <diki> just so you know ersi, my pool found me a block once, and i was able to get more ram
1806 2011-06-13 11:08:18 <diki> but i took into account the limitation of a 32-bit OS and just bought 1 gig more
1807 2011-06-13 11:08:35 <anddam> 1 GB is like 10 euro
1808 2011-06-13 11:08:38 <drdig> can i put the -daemon into my config file, so bitcoind will start in daemon mode automatically?
1809 2011-06-13 11:08:41 <diki> sure was
1810 2011-06-13 11:08:57 <Wuked> diki:
1811 2011-06-13 11:09:01 <Wuked> what are you finding hard ?
1812 2011-06-13 11:09:15 <Wuked> I've just pushed my pool to "live testing"
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1814 2011-06-13 11:09:20 <Wuked> took 3 days to make
1815 2011-06-13 11:09:20 <Wuked> :D
1816 2011-06-13 11:09:44 <diki> i also thought it would be a sinch, but i needed to make my stats page much more informative
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1818 2011-06-13 11:09:53 <diki> so i had to resort to hacky ways to get the dat
1819 2011-06-13 11:09:55 <diki> *data
1820 2011-06-13 11:10:04 <Wuked> are you coding in php by any chance ?
1821 2011-06-13 11:10:07 <diki> yes i am
1822 2011-06-13 11:10:16 <Wuked> are you doing it object orientated ?
1823 2011-06-13 11:10:20 <diki> nah
1824 2011-06-13 11:10:25 <Wuked> if not I can imagine the stats are hard to come by
1825 2011-06-13 11:10:25 <Wuked> ah
1826 2011-06-13 11:10:29 <Wuked> I did mine in ruby on rails
1827 2011-06-13 11:10:36 <Wuked> so the stats are really easy
1828 2011-06-13 11:10:59 <diki> they would be easy if i didn't need to display confirmations and a link to blockexplorer
1829 2011-06-13 11:11:21 <ersi> diki: Holy cow, batman!
1830 2011-06-13 11:11:28 <diki> holy stfu ersi
1831 2011-06-13 11:11:59 <Wuked> you've lost me
1832 2011-06-13 11:12:07 <Wuked> I don't see how that has anything to do with generating stats
1833 2011-06-13 11:12:16 <diki> stats about the generated blocks
1834 2011-06-13 11:12:47 <diki> you see, pushpool stores the share in raw format in the db
1835 2011-06-13 11:13:02 <diki> there is no way to calculate the hashes back to it's sha 256 form
1836 2011-06-13 11:13:10 <diki> s/hashes/shares
1837 2011-06-13 11:13:22 <diki> so i need to call an external program
1838 2011-06-13 11:13:41 <diki> but the outputted hash needs to be byteswapped
1839 2011-06-13 11:14:07 <diki> which if you know how to use the bits operator could potentially be done in php, but i can't so i call another external program
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1841 2011-06-13 11:14:21 <doublec> I get occasional segfaults in the bitcoind instance running on my server - anyone else seeing the same?
1842 2011-06-13 11:15:12 <Wuked> yes
1843 2011-06-13 11:15:22 <CIA-90> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rb9c34dc / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Minor cleanups - http://bit.ly/jiAsXp
1844 2011-06-13 11:15:22 <CIA-90> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r7c633d8 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Added no-cache handling and a better output - http://bit.ly/jRtFIP
1845 2011-06-13 11:15:29 <anddam> this sounds like an error http://pastesite.com/24149
1846 2011-06-13 11:15:50 <anddam> or not, depending on call's behavior
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1850 2011-06-13 11:16:32 <anddam> the last transactions has 5 BTC (testnet faucet) and 12 confirmations, then when I set minlimit to 13 it is shown as 0 BTC and 0 confirmations
1851 2011-06-13 11:16:50 <xelister> who runs testnet?
1852 2011-06-13 11:16:53 <xelister> any IPs?
1853 2011-06-13 11:17:01 <xelister> seeding in testnet appears to suck a donkey's dick
1854 2011-06-13 11:17:24 <wumpus> testnet sucks, use a testnet in a box
1855 2011-06-13 11:17:33 <sipa> indeed
1856 2011-06-13 11:17:47 <diki> use a testnet in a box<- explain
1857 2011-06-13 11:18:01 <anddam> it should either appear complete with 5 BTC and 12 confirmations or not appear at all due to minlimit
1858 2011-06-13 11:18:31 <wumpus> https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=4483.0
1859 2011-06-13 11:18:33 <anddam> the issue doesn't seem to be testnet related
1860 2011-06-13 11:18:41 <anddam> but is it an issue at all?
1861 2011-06-13 11:19:03 <diki> so Wuked, yeah, i get confused over my own code
1862 2011-06-13 11:19:21 <xelister> anyone runs testnet or can give me ip of running testnet node?
1863 2011-06-13 11:19:25 <Wuked> simple that to "i get confused"
1864 2011-06-13 11:19:26 <Wuked> :P
1865 2011-06-13 11:20:10 <diki> i miss my train of thought to put it simply
1866 2011-06-13 11:20:26 <diki> and since i don't want to use left joins now...even more
1867 2011-06-13 11:20:57 <wumpus> xelister: the bitcoin testnet faucet runs the testnet, but I don't know what the IP is anymore
1868 2011-06-13 11:21:06 <CIA-90> DiabloMiner: dustinanon master * r9bc368c / src/main/resources/DiabloMiner.cl : So yeah... don't code after a long day and a couple beers... wtf was I thinking (I was stuck on using --it I guess :P) - http://bit.ly/kVqXHE
1869 2011-06-13 11:21:09 <wumpus> used to connect to that when I still used the testnet..
1870 2011-06-13 11:21:33 <sipa> xelister: bitcoin.sipa.be has a testnet node
1871 2011-06-13 11:21:51 <CIA-90> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rab0935e / :
1872 2011-06-13 11:21:51 <CIA-90> DiabloMiner: Merge pull request #13 from dustinanon/patch-3
1873 2011-06-13 11:21:51 <CIA-90> DiabloMiner: Merge dustinanon's pull reuqest - http://bit.ly/kdI5hq
1874 2011-06-13 11:22:27 <drdig> does anybody know of a way to receive a few bitcoins to experiment with? e.g buying with PP would be convenient, but I guess PP does not accept that anymore?
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1876 2011-06-13 11:25:35 <diki> seems like i'll be introdcuing >10 queries when i find a block
1877 2011-06-13 11:25:53 <diki> *introducing
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1880 2011-06-13 11:27:33 <drdig> does it really already make sense to pay transaction fees?
1881 2011-06-13 11:28:13 <drdig> or better question, is any of the mining pools checking whether or not a transaction is paying fees?
1882 2011-06-13 11:28:38 <sipa> sure
1883 2011-06-13 11:28:55 <sipa> it may speed things up
1884 2011-06-13 11:29:36 <drdig> how high should the fee be?
1885 2011-06-13 11:30:29 <Gxxxx> anyone want some testnet coins?
1886 2011-06-13 11:32:01 <tcatm> Gxxxx: n2CtC2iefTGRpi9m74YnFED5WtfwrjCLCN
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1888 2011-06-13 11:32:49 <tcatm> I'll redistribute them to people asking for testnet coins.
1889 2011-06-13 11:33:24 <Gxxxx> on it's way
1890 2011-06-13 11:33:28 <tcatm> thanks
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1892 2011-06-13 11:37:06 <xelister> sipa: k
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1896 2011-06-13 11:41:01 <FellowTraveler> bitcoin scan exposed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko5lOc4nsac&feature=related
1897 2011-06-13 11:41:44 <mrenouf> scan?
1898 2011-06-13 11:41:52 <mrenouf> WOW
1899 2011-06-13 11:42:06 <FellowTraveler> (scam)
1900 2011-06-13 11:42:14 <mrenouf> Money is not taxed.
1901 2011-06-13 11:42:18 <FellowTraveler> Sorry I'm just sitting here ROFL watching this guy.
1902 2011-06-13 11:42:24 sanity_ has joined
1903 2011-06-13 11:42:27 <mrenouf> 100,000 gazillian!
1904 2011-06-13 11:43:09 lumos has joined
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1906 2011-06-13 11:44:08 <ersi> Gahaha, who is that guy
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1908 2011-06-13 11:44:15 <ersi> "Rawdog"
1909 2011-06-13 11:44:41 <mrenouf> Somehow I think the concept of "proof of work" and "securing the blockchain" would be impossible to explain to this guy
1910 2011-06-13 11:45:06 <mrenouf> Hacker currency!!
1911 2011-06-13 11:45:11 <mrenouf> Ghahahaha
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1913 2011-06-13 11:45:58 <wumpus> hacker currency, I like that
1914 2011-06-13 11:47:00 <mrenouf> Oh and he even tries to defend himself in the comments?!
1915 2011-06-13 11:47:33 <mrenouf> Random armchair conspiracy theorist vs. the INTERNET. You lose.
1916 2011-06-13 11:48:19 <FellowTraveler> There's another one, 6:31 in length that had me in tears (more bitcoin ranting)
1917 2011-06-13 11:48:29 <wumpus> conspiracy theorists all have a very outspoken opinion on bitcoin, either they completely love it or completely hate it
1918 2011-06-13 11:50:18 <__gilles> haha :-)
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1920 2011-06-13 11:50:28 <__gilles> that cpu is not used for nothing
1921 2011-06-13 11:50:45 <__gilles> it's use for something and it's not good
1922 2011-06-13 11:50:53 <__gilles> what an ass :-)
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1938 2011-06-13 12:08:09 <nathan7> Hacker currency.. gotta love that one.
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1940 2011-06-13 12:13:52 <Joric> he said he's engineer, what kind of engineer?
1941 2011-06-13 12:14:17 <ersi> Hackgineer
1942 2011-06-13 12:15:08 <jrmithdobbs> something aint right here
1943 2011-06-13 12:15:19 <jrmithdobbs> i need to double check I understand this
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1978 2011-06-13 12:46:20 <Wayno> ops
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2005 2011-06-13 13:19:07 <anddam> when running testnet-box should balance auto increase on generating node?
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2013 2011-06-13 13:27:26 <roconnor> In http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/b/6048, why is the difficulty Bits equal to 0x1d008a48 instead of 0x1c8a48??
2014 2011-06-13 13:27:40 <roconnor> in other words, why is there a wasted bit in the mantissa?
2015 2011-06-13 13:27:44 <roconnor> *wasted byte
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2017 2011-06-13 13:28:38 <roconnor> oh wait, it is because of the stupid signed integer nonsense that bitcoin is using
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2019 2011-06-13 13:29:13 <roconnor> what a pain
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2022 2011-06-13 13:33:07 <roconnor> heh
2023 2011-06-13 13:33:26 <roconnor> there is no way that different bitcoin implementations will be compatible with each other in all cases :P
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2025 2011-06-13 13:34:53 <gmaxwell> roconnor: go write a h264 decoder and come back, you'll think this is all trivial.
2026 2011-06-13 13:35:04 <roconnor> hah :D
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2029 2011-06-13 13:36:02 * roconnor makes a note: the 9th bit in the compact representation of targets must always be 0.
2030 2011-06-13 13:36:53 <wumpus> at least h264 has a very well-defined spec :p
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2032 2011-06-13 13:37:56 <gmaxwell> wumpus: yes all N-thousand pages of it, which also fail to tell you exactly which subsets various implementators have implemented betwen the half dozen named profiles. :)
2033 2011-06-13 13:38:12 <wumpus> yes it is extensive, and a lot of work, agreed
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2035 2011-06-13 13:38:34 <wumpus> and getting all the bit fiddling right, ugh
2036 2011-06-13 13:38:43 <gmaxwell> It's also the kind of very exact detail oriented work that needs to go into all the blockchain validation, but a _lot_ more of it.
2037 2011-06-13 13:38:45 * roconnor wonders what happens if you try to make blocks where the 9th bit is 1
2038 2011-06-13 13:39:38 <wumpus> though in a video codec there is no big disaster if your output is a little bit different
2039 2011-06-13 13:40:08 <roconnor> heh
2040 2011-06-13 13:40:25 <roconnor> with bitcoin if there is a little difference there is a fork in the chain.
2041 2011-06-13 13:40:48 <wumpus> yep
2042 2011-06-13 13:41:31 <gmaxwell> wumpus: oh, well in highly predictive formats like h264 getting a single bit wrong can propagate and blow up stuff for a long time.
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2044 2011-06-13 13:41:42 <sipa> roconnor: i assume it will be rejected by all default clients, as the difficulty is wrong
2045 2011-06-13 13:41:44 <gmaxwell> And if you get a bit wrong in any of the entropy decoder stuff.. fireworks. :)
2046 2011-06-13 13:41:57 <roconnor> when checking that a block as the right target, are the targets compared in compact representation or non-compact representation? Since for some targets there is more than one equivalent compact representation
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2048 2011-06-13 13:42:43 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: is bit 9 the "txn count" or whatever?
2049 2011-06-13 13:42:50 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: cause i've wondered myself.
2050 2011-06-13 13:42:54 <roconnor> nope
2051 2011-06-13 13:43:21 <roconnor> the compact representation is 0xeemmmmmm where ee is the exponent and mmmmmm is the mantissa
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2053 2011-06-13 13:44:19 <sipa> roconnor: the comparison is done in the nBits form
2054 2011-06-13 13:44:22 <roconnor> ah they are compared in compact form
2055 2011-06-13 13:44:39 <sipa> see CBlock::AcceptBlock()(
2056 2011-06-13 13:44:59 <sipa> if (nBits != GetNextWorkRequired(pindexPrev)) return error("AcceptBlock() : incorrect proof of work");
2057 2011-06-13 13:45:49 <vegard> gmaxwell: write the ENcoder and you'll find the decoder trivial ;)
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2059 2011-06-13 13:46:15 <gmaxwell> vegard: oh, it's pretty much the same if you don't care if it's any good. :)
2060 2011-06-13 13:46:32 <gmaxwell> Actually it can be much easier, because you don't have to implement the whole spec in an encoder.
2061 2011-06-13 13:46:37 <roconnor> sipa: whew
2062 2011-06-13 13:46:43 <gmaxwell> "I know about intra frames! tada! done!"
2063 2011-06-13 13:47:57 <roconnor> whole crap bitcoin has a lot of global variables.
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2065 2011-06-13 13:48:38 <gmaxwell> Lots of static stuff too which can be a bit confusing.
2066 2011-06-13 13:50:39 <sipa> roconnor: yes, my wallet class patch improves a tiny bit upon that already
2067 2011-06-13 13:50:46 <sipa> but it's quite horrible
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2073 2011-06-13 13:56:45 <roconnor> since the testnet and mainnet have different maximum targets, I need to take some care.
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2077 2011-06-13 13:59:59 <roconnor> It appears to me that the time it takes to generate the first block after a new difficulty adjustment is made isn't taken into account when calculating the next difficulty adjustment.
2078 2011-06-13 14:00:42 <CIA-90> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r0eb6f95 / (2 files in 2 dirs):
2079 2011-06-13 14:00:42 <CIA-90> DiabloMiner: Force clear the whole line using a horrible hack, and fix the typo in
2080 2011-06-13 14:00:42 <CIA-90> DiabloMiner: the loops - http://bit.ly/j0UqAQ
2081 2011-06-13 14:01:40 <roconnor> I wonder if this is exploitable in any way.
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2087 2011-06-13 14:03:49 <ByteCoin> http://digg.com/news/lifestyle/also_kids_love_the_bitcoin
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2093 2011-06-13 14:05:41 <unclemantis> when will facebook accept bitcoin?
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2098 2011-06-13 14:11:48 <jrmithdobbs> where the fuck is vchDefaultKey defined
2099 2011-06-13 14:12:06 <jrmithdobbs> (speaking of global variables)
2100 2011-06-13 14:12:32 <jrmithdobbs> oh there it is, nm
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2107 2011-06-13 14:18:31 <Joric> if i have a few 0.01 BTC transactions in a wallet, will my own transactions ever shrink in size?
2108 2011-06-13 14:18:48 <roconnor> Joric: shrink in size?
2109 2011-06-13 14:19:19 <roconnor> Joric: as in consolidated into one transaction displayed?
2110 2011-06-13 14:19:26 <Joric> client says i'm trying to send an oversized transaction
2111 2011-06-13 14:19:36 <roconnor> ah
2112 2011-06-13 14:19:46 * roconnor defers to an expert
2113 2011-06-13 14:19:47 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: stop taking tiny payouts from pools
2114 2011-06-13 14:19:57 <Joric> i've stopped, what now
2115 2011-06-13 14:19:58 <Theo`> Joric: no, they won't
2116 2011-06-13 14:20:11 <roconnor> Joric: you can consolidate them yourself ... for a fee
2117 2011-06-13 14:20:17 <forrestv> Diablo-D3, can you (or someone else) verify me on the forums? >.<
2118 2011-06-13 14:20:19 <Theo`> exactly
2119 2011-06-13 14:20:19 <roconnor> (by sending a collection of them to yourself)
2120 2011-06-13 14:20:25 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: you have two options, you can eat the fee and just transfer your entire balance to a new key
2121 2011-06-13 14:20:29 <Joric> great, so what now, i have to get another wallet?
2122 2011-06-13 14:20:38 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: that'll cause minimal fee for that method
2123 2011-06-13 14:21:17 <Diablo-D3> forrestv: I cant.
2124 2011-06-13 14:21:24 <darkskiez> Joric, just try sending smaller amounts to yourself until you find the break point
2125 2011-06-13 14:21:25 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: or you can sit and combine them manually so that you take 2 .1 txns into 1 key then 2 .2 txns into 1 key etc until they're up to reasonable sizes
2126 2011-06-13 14:21:31 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: but that is hard and tedius
2127 2011-06-13 14:21:46 <forrestv> ah :/
2128 2011-06-13 14:22:12 <Joric> linagee just sent me 0.0001 what should i do, kill him now?
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2130 2011-06-13 14:22:36 <roconnor> does the client still work by sending the smallest coins possible first?
2131 2011-06-13 14:23:12 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: i think so
2132 2011-06-13 14:23:14 <roconnor> so we can DOS bitcoin users by sending them lots of small coins as Joric suggests?
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2134 2011-06-13 14:23:44 <Joric> apparently
2135 2011-06-13 14:24:00 <mtrlt> do send me coins :p
2136 2011-06-13 14:24:05 <gmaxwell> please attack me
2137 2011-06-13 14:24:09 <jrmithdobbs> me too
2138 2011-06-13 14:24:13 <jrmithdobbs> heh
2139 2011-06-13 14:24:14 <Joric> picocents?
2140 2011-06-13 14:24:24 <roconnor> if I had some coins I would :)
2141 2011-06-13 14:24:31 <Joric> with 0.3.20 i may do it without a fee
2142 2011-06-13 14:24:48 <gmaxwell> roconnor: the 'attack' is that if someone pays you a zillion pennies you will likely have to pay some TX fees to spend them in a single big transaction.
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2144 2011-06-13 14:25:14 <gmaxwell> This is annoying but not worse than not having the money at all.
2145 2011-06-13 14:25:28 <roconnor> gmaxwell: doesn't the network still accept 0 fee transactions?
2146 2011-06-13 14:25:54 <gmaxwell> roconnor: not if they are 50kbytes of data!
2147 2011-06-13 14:26:02 <Joric> i suppose the 'network' still mostly consists of 0.3.20
2148 2011-06-13 14:26:26 <roconnor> gmaxwell: no no, just tiny transactions sending 0.00001 to you, but lots of them.
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2150 2011-06-13 14:26:36 <gmaxwell> Joric: gah .20 is no different in this regard.
2151 2011-06-13 14:27:06 <roconnor> gmaxwell: until you have so many tiny coins that you can't spend any significant amount of money.
2152 2011-06-13 14:27:12 <roconnor> (with the current client)
2153 2011-06-13 14:27:19 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: plz dos me
2154 2011-06-13 14:27:28 <gmaxwell> no me darnit!
2155 2011-06-13 14:27:29 <roconnor> jrmithdobbs: like I said, I have no coins to dos you with
2156 2011-06-13 14:27:38 <jrmithdobbs> if someone does it to me i'll show you how to fix it ;P
2157 2011-06-13 14:27:44 <Joric> jrmithdobbs, i can send you ten picocents in ten transactions, will it suit you?
2158 2011-06-13 14:27:47 <gmaxwell> roconnor: the coin selection is dumb but I don't think it would fall prey to that.
2159 2011-06-13 14:28:12 <roconnor> gmaxwell: isn't this what Joric is complaining about, having effectively DOSed himself accidentally.
2160 2011-06-13 14:28:26 <iz> roconnor: that is DoS condition is easily fixed by consolidating into another bitcoin addr first, right?
2161 2011-06-13 14:28:29 <gmaxwell> roconnor: nah, he's asked a pool for 0.01 scale payouts and thats all he has.
2162 2011-06-13 14:28:43 <Joric> i only have four 0.01 payouts
2163 2011-06-13 14:28:46 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: sure: 1GzTowCbnQVz6XpxAXEvEsuu8iKLUD3wHm
2164 2011-06-13 14:28:48 <gmaxwell> roconnor: like four of them. Which he will be able to send without a fee once they age.
2165 2011-06-13 14:28:50 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: i'm not sending them back though
2166 2011-06-13 14:29:13 <Joric> jrmithdobbs, it was a sarcasm
2167 2011-06-13 14:29:40 <roconnor> oh, then I misunderstood
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2169 2011-06-13 14:29:59 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: ya it's annoying but totally fixable
2170 2011-06-13 14:30:06 <bdheeman> just build https://github.com/laanwj/bitcoin-qt/ on a Debian machine, it's cool, compact and wokring
2171 2011-06-13 14:30:12 <gmaxwell> roconnor: well, you might be right by accident. As I said, the coin selection is sometimes moronic.
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2173 2011-06-13 14:30:17 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: hence the spam of "plz dos me" from so many so quick, heh
2174 2011-06-13 14:30:20 <Joric> also i've tired of BTC adresses on irc
2175 2011-06-13 14:30:51 <roconnor> I wonder what an optimal coin selection algorithm would be.
2176 2011-06-13 14:31:08 <jrmithdobbs> depends on the intended txn size
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2178 2011-06-13 14:31:22 <jrmithdobbs> well value not size
2179 2011-06-13 14:31:22 <iz> also depends on what you have in your accts
2180 2011-06-13 14:31:39 <roconnor> um, these are all inputs to the algorthm
2181 2011-06-13 14:31:40 <jrmithdobbs> bigger the value of the txn the easier it is to pick inputs smartly
2182 2011-06-13 14:31:45 <iz> it's like those math questions where you have a certain amount of change in your pocket and you want to make $1.73
2183 2011-06-13 14:32:49 <roconnor> iz: it's a little like that, but each coin as a weight (mass in kilobytes) as well as a value.
2184 2011-06-13 14:32:57 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: it'd really be at least two different algorithms, one for > 1btc txn value and one for <1
2185 2011-06-13 14:32:58 <gmaxwell> I think the actual optimal selection (considering priority, tx fees, tx size, anonymity) is most likely an NP problem.
2186 2011-06-13 14:33:11 <gmaxwell> (for any non-trivial mixture of those factors)
2187 2011-06-13 14:33:13 <iz> roconnor: ah, yeah.. right
2188 2011-06-13 14:33:14 <roconnor> and you don't really want to minimize mass since you don't want to be left with all heavy coins one day.
2189 2011-06-13 14:33:33 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: you can fudge it close enough though
2190 2011-06-13 14:33:51 <gmaxwell> sure, and for small wallets you could just try all the input mixtures.
2191 2011-06-13 14:34:05 <jrmithdobbs> ya big wallets is where it gets hard
2192 2011-06-13 14:34:07 <Joric> BTC costs $20 currently i doubt about just <1
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2194 2011-06-13 14:34:21 <roconnor> and while you are spending coins you get an opporutnity at the same time to consolidate some heavy worthless coins.
2195 2011-06-13 14:34:24 <Joric> 0.1 is $2 already
2196 2011-06-13 14:34:29 <jrmithdobbs> where big >= ~65k privkeys
2197 2011-06-13 14:35:15 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: the heavy coin problem would actually not be an undesired result
2198 2011-06-13 14:35:32 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: seeing as a routine to consolidate them in a fairly short period is trivial to write
2199 2011-06-13 14:35:38 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: how did it work with a zillion keys.
2200 2011-06-13 14:35:40 <jrmithdobbs> just doesn't exist in current client
2201 2011-06-13 14:35:44 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: but zomg anonymity.
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2203 2011-06-13 14:35:45 <roconnor> jrmithdobbs: doesn't each step require a fee?
2204 2011-06-13 14:35:50 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: surprisingly well
2205 2011-06-13 14:35:55 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: nope.
2206 2011-06-13 14:35:58 <roconnor> oh?
2207 2011-06-13 14:36:12 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: you just have to make the individual txns small enough
2208 2011-06-13 14:36:27 <roconnor> hmm
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2210 2011-06-13 14:36:34 <roconnor> where can I read about the current fee schedule?
2211 2011-06-13 14:37:00 <gmaxwell> roconnor: the source.
2212 2011-06-13 14:37:03 <jrmithdobbs> there's a min fee article on the wiki
2213 2011-06-13 14:37:09 <jrmithdobbs> i don't know how accurate it is
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2215 2011-06-13 14:37:16 <gmaxwell> the wiki page is now out of date.
2216 2011-06-13 14:37:19 <jrmithdobbs> like most everything you'll end up at the source if you need details
2217 2011-06-13 14:37:33 <gmaxwell> Well it _just_ got changed twice
2218 2011-06-13 14:37:36 <roconnor> meh, I'm not going trolling though the source.
2219 2011-06-13 14:38:24 <gmaxwell> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees
2220 2011-06-13 14:38:24 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: i'm assuming he wants things like scheduling priority and how it affects the fees and such too ;P
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2222 2011-06-13 14:38:33 <jrmithdobbs> and afaik that's not in the wiki article at all
2223 2011-06-13 14:38:33 <gmaxwell> right
2224 2011-06-13 14:38:45 <gmaxwell> well it does cover prio interaction
2225 2011-06-13 14:38:53 <jrmithdobbs> oh it is covered briefly
2226 2011-06-13 14:38:57 <gmaxwell> though places where it says 0.01 need to be replaced with 0.0005
2227 2011-06-13 14:39:06 <jrmithdobbs> that's better than last time i looked at that article a month and a half or 2 ago
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2229 2011-06-13 14:39:52 <jrmithdobbs> i've been sitting here listening to this guy get pitched an MLM scheme for like an hour
2230 2011-06-13 14:40:00 <jrmithdobbs> he still thinks it's a job interview
2231 2011-06-13 14:40:02 <jrmithdobbs> lol
2232 2011-06-13 14:40:27 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, facepalm
2233 2011-06-13 14:40:54 <jrmithdobbs> coffee shops are fun ;P
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2236 2011-06-13 14:41:46 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, wat
2237 2011-06-13 14:41:50 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, lol where are you?
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2239 2011-06-13 14:41:56 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: starbucks
2240 2011-06-13 14:42:06 <phantomcircuit> oh
2241 2011-06-13 14:42:08 <phantomcircuit> rofl
2242 2011-06-13 14:42:16 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: oh that's right you're not in the states
2243 2011-06-13 14:42:21 <phantomcircuit> starbucks in sf is like 100% people who dont have a real office
2244 2011-06-13 14:42:50 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: the mlm fags over here do "interviews" aka sales pitches in coffe shops/hotel lobbies/etc all the time
2245 2011-06-13 14:43:02 <phantomcircuit> rofl
2246 2011-06-13 14:43:28 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: any given time you'll find at least one mlm pitch going on in most starbucks that actually do volume doing the day (and therefore have enough ambient noise to not get the mlm pitcher mocked immediately)
2247 2011-06-13 14:43:47 <jrmithdobbs> i like fucking with them
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2249 2011-06-13 14:44:21 <jrmithdobbs> s/doing the/during the/
2250 2011-06-13 14:44:45 <phantomcircuit> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/13/us/13fbi.html
2251 2011-06-13 14:44:46 <phantomcircuit> lol
2252 2011-06-13 14:44:55 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: you should interrupt and give a maximally scammy pitch for bitcoin.
2253 2011-06-13 14:45:07 <gmaxwell> MAKE MONEY FAST. (you actually have to yell this part)
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2255 2011-06-13 14:45:22 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: lol
2256 2011-06-13 14:45:50 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: i like to tell them about my bridges across the sahara going for low low prices
2257 2011-06-13 14:45:59 <jrmithdobbs> because they usually don't know what the sahara is
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2259 2011-06-13 14:46:40 <gmaxwell> HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO SEND MONEY ACROSS THE INTERNET? Yea, doesn't work because _APPARENTLY_ thats a DISK DRIVE and not a BILL ACCEPTOR.
2260 2011-06-13 14:47:09 <jrmithdobbs> the trucks keep crushing all my transactions through the tubes
2261 2011-06-13 14:47:12 <jrmithdobbs> !
2262 2011-06-13 14:47:16 <gmaxwell> But with BITCOIN you can send money OVER THE NET. NO MONEY? NO PROBLEM! ALL YOU NEED IS TO MAKE MINING FAST!
2263 2011-06-13 14:47:41 <jrmithdobbs> i would consider standing up and yelling this at him verbatim
2264 2011-06-13 14:47:53 <jrmithdobbs> except i'm in here too often ;P
2265 2011-06-13 14:48:53 <roconnor> whee, some timestamps are uint64s and other are unit32s
2266 2011-06-13 14:49:13 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: ?
2267 2011-06-13 14:49:18 <jrmithdobbs> where?
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2269 2011-06-13 14:50:24 <roconnor> in the version packet header it is 64 bit
2270 2011-06-13 14:50:38 <roconnor> in the block it is 32 bit
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2272 2011-06-13 14:50:49 <archer23_gr> hello
2273 2011-06-13 14:51:13 <archer23_gr> is here any phoenix dev?
2274 2011-06-13 14:51:45 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, lol welcome to bitcoin protocols
2275 2011-06-13 14:51:54 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, i assume you already saw the variable length uints?
2276 2011-06-13 14:52:00 <jrmithdobbs> i hadn't noticed the p2p packet was 64bit
2277 2011-06-13 14:52:01 <jrmithdobbs> ugh
2278 2011-06-13 14:52:19 <archer23_gr> anyone?
2279 2011-06-13 14:52:20 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: I think so. They weren't so terrible.
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2281 2011-06-13 14:52:27 <jrmithdobbs> wait, is it 32 or 64 in the addr packets?
2282 2011-06-13 14:52:29 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, no just 100% pointless
2283 2011-06-13 14:52:39 <archer23_gr> how can i contact someone from the phoenix devs?
2284 2011-06-13 14:52:51 <jrmithdobbs> archer23_gr: their thread on the forums
2285 2011-06-13 14:52:52 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: I found it funny that they were limited to 64-bits
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2287 2011-06-13 14:54:01 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: you talking about this? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#Variable_length_integer
2288 2011-06-13 14:54:05 <jrmithdobbs> because ya, fucking lol
2289 2011-06-13 14:54:40 <roconnor> we can't change these choices since they are part of the hashes
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2291 2011-06-13 14:55:43 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: maybe you know this
2292 2011-06-13 14:55:52 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: is the shit in wallet.dat stored big or little endian
2293 2011-06-13 14:57:44 <phantomcircuit> i have no clue
2294 2011-06-13 14:58:07 <jrmithdobbs> i can't figure out why my generated addresses don't match bitcoin's for a given key
2295 2011-06-13 14:58:10 <jrmithdobbs> haha
2296 2011-06-13 14:58:32 <jrmithdobbs> and tracing the code it swaps endianness at least 3 times i can find and i'm not sure which it starts out in
2297 2011-06-13 14:58:56 <phantomcircuit> lolll
2298 2011-06-13 14:59:15 <mtrlt> endianness things were the primary reason it took mee three days to make a simple cpu miner work :P
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2300 2011-06-13 14:59:44 <jrmithdobbs> i want to strangle satoshi
2301 2011-06-13 14:59:46 <jrmithdobbs> tbqh
2302 2011-06-13 14:59:47 <genewitch> mtrlt: endianness is non-rtrivial
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2304 2011-06-13 14:59:56 <genewitch> s/rt/t/
2305 2011-06-13 15:00:15 <phantomcircuit> they get swapped all over the place in the code
2306 2011-06-13 15:00:26 <phantomcircuit> there's shit in the script engine that shouldn't work at first glance but does
2307 2011-06-13 15:00:46 <genewitch> when i was doing logic array sims the endianness bit me so many times i had to switch to platform gnostic tools
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2309 2011-06-13 15:01:31 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: what I'm loving is that key.h bothers wrapping openssl's EC_KEY in CKey and then db.h doesn't ever use CKey
2310 2011-06-13 15:01:40 <jrmithdobbs> wtf
2311 2011-06-13 15:01:54 <jrmithdobbs> err db.cpp w/e
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2313 2011-06-13 15:02:15 <Joric> i've restored a wallet from a 2 days old copy, looks like i've lost a few adresses (i've got all transactions though), should i worry?
2314 2011-06-13 15:02:28 <mtrlt> do you still have all your money?
2315 2011-06-13 15:02:36 <Joric> looks like yes
2316 2011-06-13 15:02:42 <gmaxwell> Joric: if you got the transactions then you have the addresses, they are just hidden (it thinks they are change)
2317 2011-06-13 15:02:48 <Joric> may i add those manually? i see them in a log
2318 2011-06-13 15:03:07 <jrmithdobbs> ya it probably thinks they're change
2319 2011-06-13 15:03:07 <mtrlt> you see what in the log?
2320 2011-06-13 15:03:07 <gmaxwell> if you assign them to an account I think they'll show up (according to random comments on IRC)
2321 2011-06-13 15:03:17 <mtrlt> and what log :p
2322 2011-06-13 15:03:20 <jrmithdobbs> why does it hide change addresses at all?
2323 2011-06-13 15:03:26 <jrmithdobbs> that seems counterproductive to me
2324 2011-06-13 15:03:29 <Joric> in the list of transactions
2325 2011-06-13 15:03:39 <jrmithdobbs> client really should explicitly show change txns and addresses
2326 2011-06-13 15:04:35 <genewitch> change what
2327 2011-06-13 15:04:44 <Joric> looks like they were taken from a 100-addresses pregenerated pool
2328 2011-06-13 15:04:53 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, CKey is only used by the scripting
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2331 2011-06-13 15:05:27 <Joric> it gets more and more complicated all the time
2332 2011-06-13 15:05:40 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: not entirely true, but ya generally
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2334 2011-06-13 15:06:11 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, CKey is used literally once outside of the scripting
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2336 2011-06-13 15:08:06 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: it's used in main.cpp too
2337 2011-06-13 15:08:25 <Joric> whoa http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/ebusiness/218101859
2338 2011-06-13 15:08:29 <Joric> China Limits Use Of Virtual Currency
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2340 2011-06-13 15:09:05 <Joric> sorry, it's about QQ coins, not related
2341 2011-06-13 15:09:20 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yes that is the only other place
2342 2011-06-13 15:10:02 <phantomcircuit> Joric, that's just china trying to protect their artificial exchange rate
2343 2011-06-13 15:10:48 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: yea I was pointing out in IRC the other day that BTC will be most interesting in places where the government rigs the exchange rate.
2344 2011-06-13 15:11:22 <gmaxwell> (the US goverment says thats where Hawala is most attractive, so I figured the same applied)
2345 2011-06-13 15:12:15 <phantomcircuit> yeah
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2347 2011-06-13 15:14:57 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: i think sipa's new showwallet code uses it too
2348 2011-06-13 15:15:13 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: is what's tripping me up
2349 2011-06-13 15:15:36 <jrmithdobbs> because ya i just looked at master and it's not used where i thought it was, ha
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2352 2011-06-13 15:19:47 <anddam> I started bitcoind with rpcssl=1 in bitcoin.conf, now I can't connect to running instance, using 'bitcoind -rpcssl getinfo' I get 'error: no response from server'
2353 2011-06-13 15:20:02 <anddam> do I need further configuration in order to use SSL?
2354 2011-06-13 15:20:16 <jrmithdobbs> yes
2355 2011-06-13 15:20:18 <anddam> I apologize for the OT
2356 2011-06-13 15:20:23 <jrmithdobbs> bitcoind -? | grep -i ssl
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2358 2011-06-13 15:20:40 <jrmithdobbs> you need to set the cert and such
2359 2011-06-13 15:21:15 <anddam> btw why is bitcoin printing help to stderr rather than stdout?
2360 2011-06-13 15:22:12 <jrmithdobbs> it doesn't?
2361 2011-06-13 15:22:29 <jrmithdobbs> oh wait, it does for -?/--help ... lol that's funny considering bitcoind help; goes to stdout
2362 2011-06-13 15:22:49 <jrmithdobbs> anddam: file a bug, that's dumb ;P
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2364 2011-06-13 15:23:35 <anddam> what do you use for bugtracking, github or sf?
2365 2011-06-13 15:23:55 <jrmithdobbs> anddam: i'd put an issue on github i don't know what the prefered method is
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2372 2011-06-13 15:29:34 <forrestv> can anybody explain the 'Leading zeroes encoded as base58 zeros' bit?
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2374 2011-06-13 15:30:39 <forrestv> the first bytes of the data to be encoded to become an address is '1' - the version
2375 2011-06-13 15:30:43 <forrestv> byte*
2376 2011-06-13 15:30:48 <forrestv> so there are no leading zeros ..
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2391 2011-06-13 15:43:17 <jrmithdobbs> forrestv: zero is '1' in base58 encoding so the zeros referenced are *before* the base58 encode happens
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2394 2011-06-13 15:43:36 <jrmithdobbs> forrestv: look at Base58Encode in base58.h for more clarification
2395 2011-06-13 15:43:40 <forrestv> i was
2396 2011-06-13 15:43:47 <forrestv> hehe, i had _just_ realized that
2397 2011-06-13 15:43:47 <jrmithdobbs> ya it's confusing
2398 2011-06-13 15:44:26 <jrmithdobbs> the version number it's referencing is actually set in Hash160ToAddress
2399 2011-06-13 15:45:05 <jrmithdobbs> the leading zeros bit is the logic handled at ~line 55 in Base58Encode
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2411 2011-06-13 15:49:54 <TheAncientGoat> anyone tried compiling bitcoin miners on the ekopath 4 compiler?
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2413 2011-06-13 15:51:09 <directhex> TheAncientGoat, unlikely to make much difference.
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2415 2011-06-13 15:51:34 <TheAncientGoat> well, yeah, with all mining happening on gfx cards nowadays
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2417 2011-06-13 15:51:41 <directhex> indeed
2418 2011-06-13 15:52:09 <directhex> if it were CPU-based, then sure, throw a C-based miner (or fortran, wheeeee) at pathscale, intel and pgi, see what the results look like
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2420 2011-06-13 15:53:10 <TheAncientGoat> directhex: However, it could make a difference for botnet based miners
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2422 2011-06-13 15:53:41 <directhex> perhaps
2423 2011-06-13 15:54:00 <gmaxwell> directhex: er the good cpu miners have hand written simd asm.
2424 2011-06-13 15:54:41 <directhex> fun
2425 2011-06-13 15:54:47 <Diablo-D3> yeah what gmaxwell said
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2427 2011-06-13 15:54:57 <Diablo-D3> its impossible to make a compiler do this exactly correct
2428 2011-06-13 15:56:08 <directhex> exactly correct? no, probably not. but proprietary compilers buy you varying degrees of best-effort
2429 2011-06-13 15:56:25 <directhex> then again i've seen benchmarks in recent years where GCC can compete. it's all highly code-dependent
2430 2011-06-13 15:56:46 <Diablo-D3> I mean in the context of this
2431 2011-06-13 15:56:53 <directhex> oh, sure.
2432 2011-06-13 15:57:26 <Diablo-D3> compilers mostly choke on trying to fully optimize extremely small vector-able code.
2433 2011-06-13 15:57:32 <Diablo-D3> especially when every single instruction counts
2434 2011-06-13 15:58:46 <Eremes> what can I do , my miner dead and Im out of town
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2436 2011-06-13 15:59:04 <directhex> gently weep
2437 2011-06-13 15:59:23 <Eremes> trying to wake it up using telnet
2438 2011-06-13 15:59:35 <Eremes> but WOL seems didnt work
2439 2011-06-13 16:00:44 <directhex> oh, i only just saw the announcement about pathcc's source release. i didn't expect that. it used to have the most restrictive licensing of the proprietary c compilers
2440 2011-06-13 16:01:50 <directhex> i guess qlogic don't want their own x86 c compiler
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2443 2011-06-13 16:05:06 <jrmithdobbs> wow it must be mlm day
2444 2011-06-13 16:05:12 <jrmithdobbs> another one!
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2473 2011-06-13 16:24:57 <diki> what exactly is midstate in getwork?
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2476 2011-06-13 16:29:38 <forrestv> diki, internal sha256 state of the first 64 bytes of the block header
2477 2011-06-13 16:29:56 <forrestv> basically sha256(first 64 bytes of header) if you don't apply the usual padding
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2481 2011-06-13 16:33:37 <lorph> how come when I use the testnet switch, all my json-rpc commands time out?
2482 2011-06-13 16:34:00 <lorph> I switched to port 18333 and used -rpcuser and -rpcpassword
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2485 2011-06-13 16:35:42 <forrestv> lorph, are you using -rpcport ?
2486 2011-06-13 16:35:50 <lorph> forrestv: no
2487 2011-06-13 16:36:16 <lorph> forrestv: i checked the list of open ports and bitcoind with -testnet opens on 18333
2488 2011-06-13 16:36:17 <forrestv> lorph, default rpc port is 8332, not 8333
2489 2011-06-13 16:36:28 <forrestv> that's the p2p port
2490 2011-06-13 16:36:32 <forrestv> not rpc
2491 2011-06-13 16:36:45 <lorph> ok let me try it
2492 2011-06-13 16:37:49 <lorph> ok thanks it worked, I thought I tried 8332 before and it timed out
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2502 2011-06-13 17:00:33 <bietiekay> hi there - does anyone know of an existing tool to dump all transactions of the berkeley db files to a , let's say, xml file ?
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2505 2011-06-13 17:02:13 <upb> google db_dump
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2507 2011-06-13 17:04:09 <bietiekay> yes I was hoping for some more verbose tools but okay I'll try
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2514 2011-06-13 17:13:08 <jgarzik> bietiekay: bitcointools
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2517 2011-06-13 17:16:38 <bietiekay> jgarzik: bitcointools has a great dbdump.py script but I can't figure out how I get all transactions extracted
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2524 2011-06-13 17:36:20 <forrestv> is there a way to ask a p2p peer to ask another for all its transactions?
2525 2011-06-13 17:36:27 <forrestv> (the ones waiting to be included in a block)
2526 2011-06-13 17:37:04 <edcba> lol
2527 2011-06-13 17:37:16 <forrestv> ?
2528 2011-06-13 17:37:17 <edcba> n
2529 2011-06-13 17:37:20 <edcba> o
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2531 2011-06-13 17:38:13 <forrestv> why?
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2533 2011-06-13 17:39:32 <edcba> would be less anonymous
2534 2011-06-13 17:39:36 <diki> ;;bc,stats
2535 2011-06-13 17:39:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130569 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 470 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 0 hours, 26 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 843806.34078731
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2539 2011-06-13 17:42:35 <forrestv> edcba, i mean the memory pool of them, not only txns coming from the node...
2540 2011-06-13 17:45:31 <bietiekay> when I use the berkeley db db_dump tool - first: which version? and which file? it's not working for me with db46_dump on blk0001.dat
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2557 2011-06-13 18:14:00 <genewitch> XX01XX: Hate to bug you here but can you PM me about a channel on foonetic?
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2559 2011-06-13 18:15:07 <ArdaXi> Are there any plans of switching to SHA-3 when it's released?
2560 2011-06-13 18:17:02 <tcatm> no
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2563 2011-06-13 18:19:04 <ArdaXi> tcatm: Was that aimed at me?
2564 2011-06-13 18:20:45 <ersi> yes
2565 2011-06-13 18:20:59 <tcatm> ArdaXi: yep
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2567 2011-06-13 18:21:05 <ArdaXi> tcatm: Link?
2568 2011-06-13 18:21:36 <gjs278> link for what, our non existant plans to switch hashes?
2569 2011-06-13 18:21:43 * ersi facepalms
2570 2011-06-13 18:21:55 <ArdaXi> gjs278: Being sure means it's been decided not to.
2571 2011-06-13 18:22:00 <forrestv> if a node accepts a txn, what could cause it to remove it from the pool to be included in the next block it mines?
2572 2011-06-13 18:22:11 <forrestv> the txn appearing in another block is obvious
2573 2011-06-13 18:22:17 <gjs278> the hashing will never change
2574 2011-06-13 18:22:27 <ersi> ArdaXi: No one said anything about being sure.
2575 2011-06-13 18:22:34 <ArdaXi> gjs278: Now that's false.
2576 2011-06-13 18:22:42 <gjs278> link?
2577 2011-06-13 18:22:49 <ersi> link?
2578 2011-06-13 18:22:55 <ArdaXi> :)
2579 2011-06-13 18:23:07 <ArdaXi> Anyway, well, it could be true, if Bitcoin dies out before SHA-2 is broken.
2580 2011-06-13 18:23:25 <ArdaXi> Otherwise it dies the moment SHA-2 is broken.
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2582 2011-06-13 18:24:18 <gjs278> "broken" usually means people find a way to just match it slightly faster reducing its difficulty, it's not like someone will ever make a thing that you just input a hash and it decodes it right there
2583 2011-06-13 18:24:28 <tcatm> in a way bitcoin is already breaking SHA-2 (using brute force)
2584 2011-06-13 18:24:36 <gjs278> so if it was "broken" then everyone would just speed up a bit
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2586 2011-06-13 18:25:01 <ArdaXi> gjs278: Broken means you can easily make a hash of a certain value using a value you have + padding.
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2588 2011-06-13 18:25:09 <ArdaXi> Which happens to be what Bitcoin runs on being difficult.
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2590 2011-06-13 18:25:31 <tcatm> and then difficulty will adjust
2591 2011-06-13 18:25:41 <ArdaXi> tcatm: Can only adjust difficulty so much.
2592 2011-06-13 18:25:49 <ArdaXi> But that doesn't protect against forking the chain.
2593 2011-06-13 18:26:18 <tcatm> sure, the new, faster SHA-2 code will set the new difficulty
2594 2011-06-13 18:26:19 <ArdaXi> Unless everyone uses the new broken method, in which case the difficulty will eventually run into its limit.
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2596 2011-06-13 18:26:29 <ArdaXi> tcatm: Can't up the difficulty infinitely.
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2598 2011-06-13 18:26:46 <gjs278> ArdaXi all it means is that people will find hashes faster than bruteforcing
2599 2011-06-13 18:26:47 <tcatm> you can't speed up SHA-256 infinitely either
2600 2011-06-13 18:26:50 <gjs278> but it will still take awhile
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2603 2011-06-13 18:26:59 <ArdaXi> tcatm: Also false. Moore's law.
2604 2011-06-13 18:27:01 <gjs278> so the speed of block gen wil increase, and then difficulty will adjust
2605 2011-06-13 18:27:22 <phantomcircuit> ArdaXi, contrary to popular believe there *is* a mechanism for replacing SHA256
2606 2011-06-13 18:27:25 <ArdaXi> gjs278: The difficulty can't increase quickly enough to counter that.
2607 2011-06-13 18:27:27 <phantomcircuit> blocks have a version number
2608 2011-06-13 18:27:27 <ArdaXi> phantomcircuit: I know.
2609 2011-06-13 18:27:29 <gjs278> yes it can
2610 2011-06-13 18:27:30 <ArdaXi> I know that.
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2612 2011-06-13 18:27:36 <ArdaXi> <gjs278> the hashing will never change
2613 2011-06-13 18:27:40 <gjs278> I lied
2614 2011-06-13 18:27:43 <ArdaXi> I know.
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2616 2011-06-13 18:28:00 <gjs278> also it won't change
2617 2011-06-13 18:28:00 <tcatm> changing the algorithm is simple (except for getting everyone to upgrade)
2618 2011-06-13 18:28:02 <phantomcircuit> the hashing is extremely unlikely to change anytime this decade
2619 2011-06-13 18:28:03 <vegard> ArdaXi: are you aware of how much the difficulty can still go up?
2620 2011-06-13 18:28:13 <ArdaXi> vegard: Yes. Are you aware of how much SHA-2 can be sped up?
2621 2011-06-13 18:28:27 <ArdaXi> phantomcircuit: That depends on a lot of factors.
2622 2011-06-13 18:28:27 <gjs278> the difficulty can go as high as it needs to
2623 2011-06-13 18:28:31 <roconnor> is the version number checked when validating a block?
2624 2011-06-13 18:28:31 <ArdaXi> gjs278: No.
2625 2011-06-13 18:28:34 <gjs278> yes it can
2626 2011-06-13 18:28:50 <ArdaXi> gjs278: In an unsigned integer, what's lower than 0?
2627 2011-06-13 18:28:55 <phantomcircuit> ArdaXi, actually it just depends on how badly sha256 is broken
2628 2011-06-13 18:28:55 <tcatm> ArdaXi: are you aware of how many shortcuts recent miners make to speed up the hashing (basically exploiting SHA-256)?
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2630 2011-06-13 18:29:02 <ArdaXi> phantomcircuit: Yeah.
2631 2011-06-13 18:29:24 <ArdaXi> gjs278: If you can go create an SHA-2 hash below 0, then sure, it can go up infinitely.
2632 2011-06-13 18:29:29 <gjs278> ArdaXi something as simple as an unsigned integer isn't going to stop the difficulty to rise
2633 2011-06-13 18:29:34 <ArdaXi> gjs278: Erm, yes it is.
2634 2011-06-13 18:29:38 <gjs278> no it's not
2635 2011-06-13 18:29:39 <ArdaXi> Do you realise how Bitcoin works?
2636 2011-06-13 18:29:43 <gjs278> more than you
2637 2011-06-13 18:29:47 <ArdaXi> You're looking for hashes below the target.
2638 2011-06-13 18:29:54 <ArdaXi> If the target is 0x0...
2639 2011-06-13 18:30:01 <ArdaXi> Can't go lower than that.
2640 2011-06-13 18:30:03 <diki> ;;bc,blocks
2641 2011-06-13 18:30:13 <vegard> there is an upper limit, in theory
2642 2011-06-13 18:30:17 <gjs278> come back in 120 years when that might actually happen
2643 2011-06-13 18:30:17 * roconnor starts mining blocks with random version numbers
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2645 2011-06-13 18:30:29 <ArdaXi> gjs278: You said it couldn't.
2646 2011-06-13 18:30:34 <ArdaXi> I just told you how it could.
2647 2011-06-13 18:30:34 <gjs278> I know it couldn't
2648 2011-06-13 18:30:39 <gjs278> you'd be wrong
2649 2011-06-13 18:30:40 <ArdaXi> gjs278: I know it could.
2650 2011-06-13 18:30:44 <gjs278> link?
2651 2011-06-13 18:30:48 <upb> lol
2652 2011-06-13 18:30:51 <tcatm> ArdaXi: there's still the merkle tree which you also have to break (uses SHA-256, too)
2653 2011-06-13 18:30:52 <ArdaXi> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Target
2654 2011-06-13 18:30:52 <upb> nice arguments
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2657 2011-06-13 18:31:07 <ArdaXi> tcatm: You wouldn't have to break that, only for certain attacks.
2658 2011-06-13 18:31:25 <ArdaXi> The target is a 256-bit number (extremely large) that all Bitcoin clients share. The SHA-256 hash of a block's header must be lower than or equal to the current target for the block to be accepted by the network. The lower the target, the more difficult it is to generate a block.
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2660 2011-06-13 18:31:48 <pusle> no need to change it, just add another. two locks on the door is better than one
2661 2011-06-13 18:32:09 <ersi> Now now, let's not bring reasoning into this
2662 2011-06-13 18:32:10 <ArdaXi> pusle: Two locks with the same key aren't, really.
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2664 2011-06-13 18:32:21 <ArdaXi> :)
2665 2011-06-13 18:32:32 <pusle> I mean two block chains, verifying the same tx's. one we have already
2666 2011-06-13 18:32:33 <diki> weird indeed
2667 2011-06-13 18:32:41 <ArdaXi> pusle: That's forking the chain.
2668 2011-06-13 18:32:44 <diki> blockexplorer and bitcoincharts are down
2669 2011-06-13 18:32:45 <diki> explain
2670 2011-06-13 18:32:46 <pusle> the other should be branchy and memory hungry as hell, for average joe to run
2671 2011-06-13 18:32:58 <pusle> no, it doesn't fork anything
2672 2011-06-13 18:33:00 <tcatm> ArdaXi: you can only tweak nonce and ntime to get a matching hash and if difficulty is very high that's not enough and you need to change the merkle root
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2674 2011-06-13 18:33:19 <pusle> there are two chains
2675 2011-06-13 18:33:37 <pusle> with completely different proof of work
2676 2011-06-13 18:33:48 <pusle> so you need lots of power of both types to "attack"
2677 2011-06-13 18:33:50 <ArdaXi> pusle: That's creating a new currency.
2678 2011-06-13 18:33:54 <tcatm> diki: bitcoincharts is up. just a little busy
2679 2011-06-13 18:33:54 <pusle> no
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2681 2011-06-13 18:34:08 <pusle> you only have another way to verify the same bitcoin transfers
2682 2011-06-13 18:34:21 <ArdaXi> Two chains will never be equal.
2683 2011-06-13 18:34:27 <pusle> the don't have to be
2684 2011-06-13 18:34:28 <ArdaXi> Not even if they both receive the same TXs
2685 2011-06-13 18:34:53 <pusle> point is, if you only build on txs which are present in both chains
2686 2011-06-13 18:34:55 <pusle> you are more secure
2687 2011-06-13 18:35:21 <ArdaXi> pusle: What if a TX only gets into one?
2688 2011-06-13 18:35:26 <pusle> you'd need a room full of SHA-256 asics, AND football field of x86 cpu's
2689 2011-06-13 18:35:44 <upb> that would make it only 2x as hard
2690 2011-06-13 18:35:48 <pusle> I'd say discard it, but it's up the the client/miners to decide the rules
2691 2011-06-13 18:35:49 <upb> no ?
2692 2011-06-13 18:36:05 <roconnor> tcatm: you can also tweek the version number I think
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2694 2011-06-13 18:36:22 <pusle> the point of this would be to have sha-256 and some branchy and memory hungry algo that runs best on generic cpu's like x86
2695 2011-06-13 18:36:29 <tcatm> roconnor: maybe, but that's still not much more than the 32 bit you get from nonce
2696 2011-06-13 18:36:30 <ArdaXi> pusle: Okay, but what about generation?
2697 2011-06-13 18:36:43 <ArdaXi> You can't have both chains generate bitcoins.
2698 2011-06-13 18:36:54 <pusle> that would stay with the original chain
2699 2011-06-13 18:36:56 <ArdaXi> Generation would only ever be in one of the chain.
2700 2011-06-13 18:37:02 <ArdaXi> So why would anyone run the other one?
2701 2011-06-13 18:37:03 <pusle> the home user x86 chain would be hero work :
2702 2011-06-13 18:37:03 <pusle> )
2703 2011-06-13 18:37:05 <pusle> :)
2704 2011-06-13 18:37:18 <ArdaXi> pusle: That means less people will run it
2705 2011-06-13 18:37:19 <pusle> nope, only the original one generates coins
2706 2011-06-13 18:37:21 <ArdaXi> Ergo easy to attack
2707 2011-06-13 18:37:28 <pusle> nope coz you have to break both
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2709 2011-06-13 18:37:38 <ArdaXi> pusle: One is easy peasy to break, the other isn't.
2710 2011-06-13 18:37:48 <pusle> in the begining yes
2711 2011-06-13 18:37:50 <ArdaXi> I don't see how something that's really easy to break increases security.
2712 2011-06-13 18:38:06 <pusle> but you can't claim it gets MORE easy with a easy peasy lock next to the big bad one
2713 2011-06-13 18:38:07 <ArdaXi> That's like proposing SHA-1 to increase the security of the current SHA-2.
2714 2011-06-13 18:38:18 <pusle> nope
2715 2011-06-13 18:38:22 <ArdaXi> pusle: You can't claim it gets significantly harder either.
2716 2011-06-13 18:38:27 <pusle> I see how many ppl voluntary seed torrents
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2718 2011-06-13 18:38:31 <ArdaXi> Not harder enough to justify the amount of work.
2719 2011-06-13 18:38:34 <pusle> they have no money incentive either
2720 2011-06-13 18:38:52 <pusle> so imagine millions of bitcoin users "donating" 1 core of their 4 or 8 to secure their own money
2721 2011-06-13 18:39:00 <ArdaXi> pusle: I can't.
2722 2011-06-13 18:39:03 <ArdaXi> Not millions
2723 2011-06-13 18:39:07 <ArdaXi> Definitely not millions.
2724 2011-06-13 18:39:07 <pusle> it's not unrealistic
2725 2011-06-13 18:39:11 <ArdaXi> It is.
2726 2011-06-13 18:39:19 <ArdaXi> You're only going to get a small subset of the miners we have now.
2727 2011-06-13 18:39:19 <pusle> ok, neither can prove it :)
2728 2011-06-13 18:39:29 <upb> its pointless to use 2 chains to increase difficuly
2729 2011-06-13 18:39:32 <upb> +t
2730 2011-06-13 18:39:34 <ArdaXi> upb: Exactly.
2731 2011-06-13 18:39:35 <pusle> we will have everything we have now + additional security
2732 2011-06-13 18:39:45 <pusle> is it?
2733 2011-06-13 18:39:48 <ArdaXi> pusle: Exactly. It's like adding an SHA-1 hash to increase the security of an SHA-2 hash.
2734 2011-06-13 18:39:52 <pusle> explain how 2 locks are worse than 1
2735 2011-06-13 18:39:57 <ArdaXi> pusle: More work involved.
2736 2011-06-13 18:40:01 <upb> you could just aswell change some bit in the input to 1
2737 2011-06-13 18:40:04 <pusle> even if , atleast at the start, that new lock is kinda flimsy
2738 2011-06-13 18:40:07 <upb> and 0
2739 2011-06-13 18:40:15 <upb> and require that everyone hash those two inputs
2740 2011-06-13 18:40:16 <ArdaXi> pusle: s/atleast at the start//
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2742 2011-06-13 18:40:29 <pusle> if the number of users grows
2743 2011-06-13 18:40:29 <upb> same way you get 2 times the work
2744 2011-06-13 18:40:33 <pusle> then it become strong
2745 2011-06-13 18:40:33 <ArdaXi> Adding a flimsy lock next to a sturdy lock does not increase security
2746 2011-06-13 18:40:37 <ArdaXi> but it does increase work
2747 2011-06-13 18:40:43 <pusle> yes it does, by a small amount
2748 2011-06-13 18:40:50 <pusle> coz you need different "tools" to crack them
2749 2011-06-13 18:40:51 <ArdaXi> pusle: By an infinitesimally small amount
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2751 2011-06-13 18:41:11 <pusle> not with thousands of ppl participating
2752 2011-06-13 18:41:11 <ArdaXi> Effort > 9000 * reward
2753 2011-06-13 18:41:14 <pusle> or million
2754 2011-06-13 18:41:18 <upb> gah
2755 2011-06-13 18:41:23 <pusle> something like bitcoin will take over the world eventually
2756 2011-06-13 18:41:26 <pusle> bitcoin v2.0
2757 2011-06-13 18:41:28 <pusle> or v3.09
2758 2011-06-13 18:41:30 <upb> r u trolling
2759 2011-06-13 18:41:30 <pusle> whatever
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2761 2011-06-13 18:41:34 <ArdaXi> pusle: So we might as well just move to SHA-3
2762 2011-06-13 18:41:34 <pusle> lol I am not
2763 2011-06-13 18:41:38 <edcba> if myownhash = (x & 1) doing sha1+myownhash is more secure than sha1 itself ? :)
2764 2011-06-13 18:41:42 <ArdaXi> That is much, much safer.
2765 2011-06-13 18:41:48 <pusle> you keep the big lock
2766 2011-06-13 18:41:49 <pusle> add another
2767 2011-06-13 18:41:56 <pusle> with potential to grow into a big one
2768 2011-06-13 18:41:57 <pusle> get it?
2769 2011-06-13 18:41:58 <ArdaXi> pusle: What you're suggesting is
2770 2011-06-13 18:42:06 <pusle> not removing the first nice big lock
2771 2011-06-13 18:42:09 <sytse> pusle: bitcoin v3.141
2772 2011-06-13 18:42:09 <ArdaXi> if we define the current difficulty as 1
2773 2011-06-13 18:42:12 <ArdaXi> to break
2774 2011-06-13 18:42:15 <ArdaXi> Then with your method
2775 2011-06-13 18:42:21 <ArdaXi> the difficulty is now 1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000001
2776 2011-06-13 18:42:35 <pusle> I see 20000 ppl sharing game of thrones
2777 2011-06-13 18:42:37 <upb> edcba: im proposing have sha256(input | 1) < x && sha256(input | 0) < x
2778 2011-06-13 18:42:43 <upb> instead of using 2 block chains lol
2779 2011-06-13 18:42:49 <ArdaXi> I'm suggesting sha3(input)
2780 2011-06-13 18:42:50 <pusle> ppl with 4 or more cores won't donate 1 core to secure their money?
2781 2011-06-13 18:42:53 <pusle> I think they will
2782 2011-06-13 18:42:56 <ArdaXi> pusle: Correct.
2783 2011-06-13 18:42:57 <ArdaXi> They won't.
2784 2011-06-13 18:43:04 <ArdaXi> Not by a significant enough mark.
2785 2011-06-13 18:43:08 <pusle> well that's your opinion against mine
2786 2011-06-13 18:43:16 <vegard> ArdaXi: do you really think sha256 is so insecure?
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2788 2011-06-13 18:43:20 <ArdaXi> vegard: No.
2789 2011-06-13 18:43:27 <pusle> and you can't know either so what the harm with another lock
2790 2011-06-13 18:43:32 <ArdaXi> But I think SHA-3 is more secure than SHA-2 + SHA-2
2791 2011-06-13 18:43:40 <gmaxwell> SHA-3 will be less secure than SHA-256x2 for quite some time.
2792 2011-06-13 18:43:45 <ArdaXi> pusle: The effort involved.
2793 2011-06-13 18:43:46 <pusle> sha256(sha256()) is quite good
2794 2011-06-13 18:43:55 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: How so?
2795 2011-06-13 18:43:57 <pusle> ppl have their comps on 24/7 anyway
2796 2011-06-13 18:43:57 <minus> drop in a salt
2797 2011-06-13 18:44:01 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: security comes from time and cryptanalysis, which SHA-3 will not have for a while.
2798 2011-06-13 18:44:04 <edcba> stop doubling hash it's not a good idea
2799 2011-06-13 18:44:10 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: I'm talking about sha3(sha3(input)) of course
2800 2011-06-13 18:44:15 <Namegduf> In this case, I think it is.
2801 2011-06-13 18:44:24 <gmaxwell> edcba: it's just sha-256 with twice the number of rounds.
2802 2011-06-13 18:44:24 <Namegduf> Pretty sure the doubling is done to counter a specific attack
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2804 2011-06-13 18:44:33 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: Fair enough, but SHA-256 has already lost to cryptanalysis. Not significantly, of course, but still.
2805 2011-06-13 18:44:34 <Namegduf> Oh, huh.
2806 2011-06-13 18:44:39 <Namegduf> Maybe I'm wrong.
2807 2011-06-13 18:44:46 <pusle> lost? I can't see it has been broken at all
2808 2011-06-13 18:44:49 <roconnor> gmaxwell: it's not that simle. it gets repadded for the second call to sha256
2809 2011-06-13 18:44:52 <vegard> ArdaXi: it hasn't
2810 2011-06-13 18:44:52 <pusle> just a few bits with lots of memory use
2811 2011-06-13 18:44:52 <roconnor> *simple
2812 2011-06-13 18:44:56 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: ... er. So have the SHA-3 candidates.
2813 2011-06-13 18:45:01 <ArdaXi> There have been attacks on SHA-2
2814 2011-06-13 18:45:03 <iz> yeah, what roconnor said
2815 2011-06-13 18:45:27 <pusle> 251 vs 256 bits isn't much (if my information is correct)
2816 2011-06-13 18:45:29 <edcba> Namegduf: i think satoshi doubled the hash because he thought that would prevent some optimisations to calculate the hash
2817 2011-06-13 18:45:30 <Namegduf> I thought the doubling prevented appending to an existing hash or something.
2818 2011-06-13 18:45:43 <gmaxwell> in any case, with 1x sha256 we'd be in a weird (?) case of the fpgas smoking the gpus.
2819 2011-06-13 18:45:44 <vegard> ArdaXi: url?
2820 2011-06-13 18:45:56 <ArdaXi> http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/479.pdf
2821 2011-06-13 18:45:59 <roconnor> if the padding somehow weakens SHA256, then doubleing sha256 won't help any.
2822 2011-06-13 18:46:10 <pusle> more rounds add security in all papers I've read about crypto
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2824 2011-06-13 18:46:14 <roconnor> and might even make it worse
2825 2011-06-13 18:46:22 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: yes, there are attacks on all the reduced round SHA-3 candidates too.
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2827 2011-06-13 18:46:27 <pusle> let's call Bruce and ask ;)
2828 2011-06-13 18:46:33 <gmaxwell> the best attack on skein is against 50 rounds or something like that.
2829 2011-06-13 18:46:47 <edcba> crypto primitives have to be used how crypto ppl intended you to use them
2830 2011-06-13 18:46:49 <ArdaXi> Of course, cryptography is a always-losing battle.
2831 2011-06-13 18:46:51 <edcba> that's that simple :)
2832 2011-06-13 18:46:57 * roconnor notes there is an awful lot of 0's in that padding
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2834 2011-06-13 18:47:05 <pusle> but attacks that reduces brute force by a few bits, with huge memory cost is not really an attack in real life TM
2835 2011-06-13 18:47:07 <ArdaXi> Which is why we should always be prepared to move onto new hash methods.
2836 2011-06-13 18:47:26 <gmaxwell> edcba: the fuctions used in bitcoin was pretty carefully analyzied. It wasn't just random decisions.
2837 2011-06-13 18:47:31 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: we are. tada.
2838 2011-06-13 18:47:43 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: I know, but someone was claiming we weren't.
2839 2011-06-13 18:47:52 <ArdaXi> That's how this whole thing started.
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2841 2011-06-13 18:48:01 <iz> ArdaXi: also.. hashing a fixed size of data cripples a lot of collision techniques
2842 2011-06-13 18:48:03 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: but since there isn't an obvious successor yet there is nothign to do except know that you can tie the change to a blockchain number.
2843 2011-06-13 18:48:19 <roconnor> iz: oh interesting
2844 2011-06-13 18:48:20 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: True, but we are going to move onto a new one eventually, right?
2845 2011-06-13 18:48:24 <iz> but i guess pubkey isn't fixed size, now is it....
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2847 2011-06-13 18:48:30 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: well that isn't the case. It can be changed by syncing the change with the block number.
2848 2011-06-13 18:48:38 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: sure, eventually
2849 2011-06-13 18:48:38 <roconnor> iz: the second round of sha256 always hashes a fixed size.
2850 2011-06-13 18:48:46 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: Satoshi has said that himself.
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2852 2011-06-13 18:48:55 <roconnor> iz: though I guess if you collide in the first round, then you don't care.
2853 2011-06-13 18:48:59 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: right, but there isn't even a candidate function yet.
2854 2011-06-13 18:49:00 <edcba> gmaxwell: i know bitcoin's crypto is ok ;)
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2856 2011-06-13 18:49:02 <ArdaXi> We can even recover from an attack if we learn of it after it's been used.
2857 2011-06-13 18:49:09 <iz> roconnor: yeah.. i was thinking of doing a mid hash table
2858 2011-06-13 18:49:12 <iz> but it's too big
2859 2011-06-13 18:49:16 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: Of course, that's why I initially said "after it's released".
2860 2011-06-13 18:49:16 <pusle> hehe
2861 2011-06-13 18:49:32 <iz> brb, afk.. work calls.. :b
2862 2011-06-13 18:49:44 <gmaxwell> oh okay. so whats to discuss now?
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2864 2011-06-13 18:50:11 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: though I dunno about changing the POW hash anytime soon, it's the least likely to suffer any real harm from certificational weaknesses.
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2866 2011-06-13 18:50:38 <pusle> I think all the sha-256 power should be preserved, unless there is some big issue
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2868 2011-06-13 18:50:52 <pusle> that's another reason I propose another chain
2869 2011-06-13 18:50:58 <pusle> it will not fuck with what already is
2870 2011-06-13 18:51:03 <gmaxwell> pusle: why would you propose another chain?
2871 2011-06-13 18:51:03 <pusle> just add another layer of security
2872 2011-06-13 18:51:06 <pusle> if it fails
2873 2011-06-13 18:51:11 <pusle> nothing was fucked up
2874 2011-06-13 18:51:17 <gmaxwell> ...
2875 2011-06-13 18:51:20 <pusle> like I said
2876 2011-06-13 18:51:23 <gmaxwell> and double the amount of data?
2877 2011-06-13 18:51:23 <pusle> another "lock" on the door
2878 2011-06-13 18:51:27 <pusle> yes
2879 2011-06-13 18:51:33 <edcba> a new chain would allow to have faster transaction change protocol etc etc
2880 2011-06-13 18:51:35 <gmaxwell> thats crazy.
2881 2011-06-13 18:51:37 <pusle> with wastly different proof of work
2882 2011-06-13 18:51:39 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: I tried explaining effort > increase in security, but I failed.
2883 2011-06-13 18:51:57 <pusle> I don't care about effort nor storage space
2884 2011-06-13 18:52:03 <pusle> ppl have terabyte drives
2885 2011-06-13 18:52:07 <pusle> and it's not gonna go down
2886 2011-06-13 18:52:13 <gmaxwell> well it's a fucking broadcast network, storage and bandwidth are very important.
2887 2011-06-13 18:52:15 <pusle> and comps are on burning electricity 24/7
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2891 2011-06-13 18:52:25 <ArdaXi> pusle: Yours, maybe.
2892 2011-06-13 18:52:36 <pusle> if fiber got slower year by year I could see your point
2893 2011-06-13 18:52:38 <gmaxwell> Satoshi was quite concerned that the overhead was too much for the system to be viable already.
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2895 2011-06-13 18:52:50 <ArdaXi> pusle: The more users we have, the more bandwidth is needed.
2896 2011-06-13 18:53:03 <pusle> I am not denying that
2897 2011-06-13 18:53:13 <pusle> maybe what I'm talking about must wait for a while
2898 2011-06-13 18:53:15 <pusle> I'm okay with that
2899 2011-06-13 18:53:21 <bitporium> is magicaltux here?
2900 2011-06-13 18:53:22 <pusle> but it should be possible to discuss it
2901 2011-06-13 18:53:33 <ArdaXi> pusle: We can discuss how it wouldn't help all you like.
2902 2011-06-13 18:53:37 <edcba> bitporium: we are not his email :)
2903 2011-06-13 18:53:48 <pusle> lol
2904 2011-06-13 18:53:54 <bitporium> edcba: No shit!
2905 2011-06-13 18:54:13 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
2906 2011-06-13 18:54:13 <ArdaXi> bitporium: We are not shit either, that's correct.
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2908 2011-06-13 18:54:36 <pusle> isn't that the same argument ppl made about bitcoin a year ago?
2909 2011-06-13 18:54:40 <pusle> this won't work
2910 2011-06-13 18:54:41 <edcba> wtf bot isn't working anymore ?
2911 2011-06-13 18:54:43 <pusle> can't happen
2912 2011-06-13 18:54:44 <pusle> etc
2913 2011-06-13 18:54:52 <edcba> pusle: they still say that won't work
2914 2011-06-13 18:55:01 <pusle> without idealists, bitcoin would never have seen the light of day
2915 2011-06-13 18:55:13 <ArdaXi> pusle: that's not the same as 'the ends don't justify the means'.
2916 2011-06-13 18:55:20 <edcba> but without numbers you can say it eventually die in future :)
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2919 2011-06-13 18:56:01 <pusle> what I know for a fact is that bandwidth in the network and storage capacity does not go down with time
2920 2011-06-13 18:56:04 <ArdaXi> pusle: Bitcoin has obvious, quantifiable advantages, even when offset to the costs. Your idea doesn't.
2921 2011-06-13 18:56:06 <edcba> speed of light gribble
2922 2011-06-13 18:56:14 <ArdaXi> pusle: If the amount of users stays constant, it won't.
2923 2011-06-13 18:56:28 <edcba> yeah i'm rich again ! :)
2924 2011-06-13 18:56:32 <ArdaXi> But the available bandwidth will, eventually, go down with time.
2925 2011-06-13 18:56:38 <upb> all this 'two chains' talk is totally crazy
2926 2011-06-13 18:56:39 * roconnor finishes implementing lockTime
2927 2011-06-13 18:56:57 <gmaxwell> pusle: we need that bandwidth increase in order to handle bitcoin growth.
2928 2011-06-13 18:57:01 <ArdaXi> Unless we manage to change the speed of light, or figure out string theory, that is.
2929 2011-06-13 18:57:04 <upb> pusle: in your analogy youre not adding a second lock to a door but a new door with a lock :)
2930 2011-06-13 18:57:06 <edcba> we'll change chain/protocol when we'll have real problems with these one i guess
2931 2011-06-13 18:57:10 <gmaxwell> pusle: it's far from clear that it will keep up.
2932 2011-06-13 18:57:33 <ArdaXi> Not every node adds as much bandwidth to the network as he takes.
2933 2011-06-13 18:57:34 <gmaxwell> pusle: especially becuase the security and independance of bitcoin requires maximum diversity.
2934 2011-06-13 18:57:38 <pusle> okay, maybe I'm an optimist then :)
2935 2011-06-13 18:57:38 <edcba> don't really see how we could convince ppl to change chain without "real" reason
2936 2011-06-13 18:57:56 <pusle> it's not changing chain
2937 2011-06-13 18:58:08 <edcba> right now the problem i see with bitcoin is pool/mtgox
2938 2011-06-13 18:58:08 <pusle> the dual lock on the same door anology is correct
2939 2011-06-13 18:58:12 <edcba> 2 spof
2940 2011-06-13 18:58:12 <ArdaXi> pusle: You're being unrealistic.
2941 2011-06-13 18:58:16 <gmaxwell> pusle: if only a few wealthy parties (governments, banks, etc) can afford to run full nodes then bitcoin will miss the mark of its original goal.
2942 2011-06-13 18:58:30 <pusle> well that's my fear with the current system
2943 2011-06-13 18:58:38 <gmaxwell> I'd take double the number of full nodes over an improved hashfunction _any day_
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2945 2011-06-13 18:58:52 <pusle> if everybody is in the same pool that won't help
2946 2011-06-13 18:59:08 <gmaxwell> pusle: there is no reason for them to be in the same pool.
2947 2011-06-13 18:59:16 <edcba> we should have some gpu-adverse hashing function
2948 2011-06-13 18:59:19 * roconnor is still expecting the largest pools to consipire to exclude everyone else.
2949 2011-06-13 18:59:20 <gmaxwell> pusle: it gains them no non-trivial advantage.
2950 2011-06-13 18:59:30 <gmaxwell> edcba: you mean botnet positive hashing function?
2951 2011-06-13 18:59:34 <pusle> but if average ppls computers are competitive (on this extra chain protecting the same tx's) then if bitcoin does grow huge eventually no goverment can touch it
2952 2011-06-13 18:59:39 <edcba> gmaxwell: yes lol
2953 2011-06-13 19:00:08 <ArdaXi> pusle: Governments will always be able to touch it. Whether they can do so significantly is another thing.
2954 2011-06-13 19:00:13 <pusle> gmaxwell: I too hope this is just growing pains but I'm not sure
2955 2011-06-13 19:00:19 <gmaxwell> edcba: that was one of the first arguments I made in public and art made the botnet comment to me. duh. We're much better off with the gpus. (and in th future, asics)
2956 2011-06-13 19:00:25 * ArdaXi waits for torrents simile.
2957 2011-06-13 19:00:44 <pusle> point is that botnet alone will not open the door
2958 2011-06-13 19:00:45 <gmaxwell> pusle: avery ppls computers are never going to be competative on their own, they'll have to pool
2959 2011-06-13 19:00:50 <pusle> sha asics alone will not open the door
2960 2011-06-13 19:00:53 <pusle> you gotta have both
2961 2011-06-13 19:00:57 <pusle> that makes it harder to attack
2962 2011-06-13 19:01:02 <gmaxwell> pusle: the reward rate is a very careful tradeoff betwen propagation time vs split risk.
2963 2011-06-13 19:01:15 <edcba> anyway it seems very hard to do some anti-gpu hasdh
2964 2011-06-13 19:01:18 <gmaxwell> s/betwen/between/
2965 2011-06-13 19:01:35 <gmaxwell> edcba: it's somewhat easy to do an anti-asic/fpga one.
2966 2011-06-13 19:01:37 <ArdaXi> pusle: The same way a knee-high wall makes it harder to enter your house.
2967 2011-06-13 19:01:42 <pusle> if you cant' make money, and are just contributing out of idealism there is no point with pools
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2969 2011-06-13 19:01:51 <gmaxwell> edcba: (use a ton of fast memory, but that doesn't work against the gpus)
2970 2011-06-13 19:02:10 <ArdaXi> pusle: If you can't make money, and are just contributing out of idealism, most people who are mining right now, won't.
2971 2011-06-13 19:02:15 <pusle> something very branchy and memory hungry will scale badly in asics
2972 2011-06-13 19:02:27 <pusle> they will mine on the sha-256 chain
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2974 2011-06-13 19:02:31 <gmaxwell> pusle: branches are fine in asic, you just unroll both sides.
2975 2011-06-13 19:02:32 <pusle> I'm not fucking with the original one
2976 2011-06-13 19:02:41 <ArdaXi> (Hmm, I'm not used to be siding with the majority in IRC. Does that mean I'm right?)
2977 2011-06-13 19:02:45 <pusle> hehe, and if you have to unroll thousands?
2978 2011-06-13 19:02:51 <gmaxwell> pusle: people have written papers on this subject, it's well researched. asic-hard hashes are a solved problem.
2979 2011-06-13 19:03:02 <edcba> pusle: use many asics maybe ?
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2981 2011-06-13 19:03:12 <gmaxwell> pusle: it's no different that the shitton of 32bit adder chains in sha256 really.
2982 2011-06-13 19:03:20 <pusle> then you'd use just as much die area as a regular cpu
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2984 2011-06-13 19:03:32 <pusle> yes it is, very different
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2986 2011-06-13 19:03:42 <gmaxwell> pusle: yes? the sha-256 pipelined miners are on that kind of order of magnitude.
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2988 2011-06-13 19:04:01 <pusle> if each core needed 1Mbyte of ram
2989 2011-06-13 19:04:09 <pusle> you couldn't just stuff 1000cores onto an asic
2990 2011-06-13 19:04:12 <pusle> as one example
2991 2011-06-13 19:04:15 <gmaxwell> pusle: 1mbyte? hah try 40.
2992 2011-06-13 19:04:23 <pusle> ram is "expensive" on die
2993 2011-06-13 19:04:25 <gmaxwell> pusle: http://www.tarsnap.com/scrypt/scrypt.pdf
2994 2011-06-13 19:04:35 <gmaxwell> As I said, this is a solved problem.
2995 2011-06-13 19:04:41 <gmaxwell> and it's not good for bitcoin.
2996 2011-06-13 19:04:50 <pusle> I work in telecom industry so I'm not completely without knowledge
2997 2011-06-13 19:04:54 <gmaxwell> because it would just reward botnet operators instead of responsible parties.
2998 2011-06-13 19:05:23 <pusle> no coz the botnet operarators would have to have a ton of sha256 asic as well
2999 2011-06-13 19:05:32 <pusle> and that's my point
3000 2011-06-13 19:05:35 <pusle> the tools to break one lock
3001 2011-06-13 19:05:38 <pusle> is bad for breaking the other
3002 2011-06-13 19:05:42 <pusle> that's the purpose
3003 2011-06-13 19:05:49 <gmaxwell> Kay. I've wasted enough time on you, go find someone elses shed to paint!
3004 2011-06-13 19:05:58 <pusle> lol, right back at ya ;)
3005 2011-06-13 19:05:58 <bll-tegatai> lol
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3008 2011-06-13 19:06:04 <ArdaXi> pusle: So you think that requiring two tools is going to make it much harder?
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3010 2011-06-13 19:06:40 <pusle> I agree it all comes down to: will people donate say 1 core do secure their money? with no other incentive
3011 2011-06-13 19:06:44 <pusle> if yes, it will work great
3012 2011-06-13 19:06:45 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: results of not thinking much... it just becomes "use botnet for part A" and then you can get an advantage over the rest of the network in two different ways rather than just one.
3013 2011-06-13 19:06:49 <pusle> if no, then it will fail
3014 2011-06-13 19:06:49 <ArdaXi> pusle: No.
3015 2011-06-13 19:06:56 <ArdaXi> Not all people, anyway.
3016 2011-06-13 19:07:03 <ArdaXi> Probably not enough people.
3017 2011-06-13 19:07:19 <roconnor> I wonder if oldest-coins-first is a reasonable heuristic
3018 2011-06-13 19:07:36 <ArdaXi> roconnor: Hm?
3019 2011-06-13 19:07:39 <pusle> ArdaXi: then I will claim you also think bitcoin will fail
3020 2011-06-13 19:07:51 <ArdaXi> pusle: Okay.
3021 2011-06-13 19:08:01 <ArdaXi> You're free to claim whatever the hell you want.
3022 2011-06-13 19:08:03 <pusle> imagine how many uses money and banks every day..
3023 2011-06-13 19:08:13 <roconnor> ArdaXi: for deciding which coins to use in a transaction. AFAIU the current heuristic is smallest coins first.
3024 2011-06-13 19:08:14 <pusle> if bitcoin takes over a few % of that
3025 2011-06-13 19:08:18 <ArdaXi> pusle: Banks have financial incentive to protect their transactions.
3026 2011-06-13 19:08:23 <pusle> and a few % of those does this voluntary
3027 2011-06-13 19:08:39 <pusle> I'm talking numbers
3028 2011-06-13 19:08:50 <pusle> okay, I'll go find a shed to paint now
3029 2011-06-13 19:08:58 <ArdaXi> pusle: Bitcoin has the ambition to take over 100% of that.
3030 2011-06-13 19:09:05 <gmaxwell> roconnor: you wan smallest first except don't trigger spammyness.
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3032 2011-06-13 19:09:25 <gmaxwell> (to try to flush smaller coins out faster)
3033 2011-06-13 19:09:36 <ArdaXi> Which reminds me, I still have to write a tool that fixes your wallet if you've received too many small coins.
3034 2011-06-13 19:09:40 <roconnor> gmaxwell: why do I want smallest first?
3035 2011-06-13 19:09:41 <iz> how does solving difficulty 1 shares help a pool really? or is that just like.. for proof of checking the work space given?
3036 2011-06-13 19:09:50 <ArdaXi> iz: The latter.
3037 2011-06-13 19:09:54 <iz> that's what i thought
3038 2011-06-13 19:09:57 <ArdaXi> It's just making sure you're actually hashing.
3039 2011-06-13 19:10:05 <gmaxwell> roconnor: to get rid of them.
3040 2011-06-13 19:10:23 <gmaxwell> iz: the real solutions are a subset, so its a most excellent proof.
3041 2011-06-13 19:10:35 <iz> yeah, agree
3042 2011-06-13 19:10:45 <roconnor> gmaxwell: to shrink the size of my wallet?
3043 2011-06-13 19:10:58 <ArdaXi> roconnor: To shrink the size of future transactions.
3044 2011-06-13 19:11:05 <gmaxwell> roconnor: to have fewer small coins floating around which will bloat future txn, I think...
3045 2011-06-13 19:11:26 <ArdaXi> If a transaction needs too many inputs, the transaction is bigger, and requires fees.
3046 2011-06-13 19:11:27 <roconnor> gmaxwell: heh. I don't see how bloating now is better than bloating later.
3047 2011-06-13 19:11:34 <gmaxwell> But really it's more complicated, ideally you want to use as many small txn as you can still fit in under 1kb. :)
3048 2011-06-13 19:11:43 <ArdaXi> roconnor: Because there's a hard limit of 1 KB that incurs fees.
3049 2011-06-13 19:11:46 <roconnor> gmaxwell: oh is that the computation I want.
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3052 2011-06-13 19:12:12 <gmaxwell> roconnor: hm.. I wonder what the most number of input txn any wallet has.
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3054 2011-06-13 19:12:26 <ArdaXi> So, to fix a wallet that's already suffered this problem, you'll want to create as much transactions as you need of <1 KB that combine smaller coins into bigger ones.
3055 2011-06-13 19:12:41 <ArdaXi> If you don't care about anonimity, you can just combine them all into one output, always.
3056 2011-06-13 19:12:46 <gmaxwell> e.g. costing out all combinations of one/two/three inputs might be pretty reasonable for most users.
3057 2011-06-13 19:13:32 <roconnor> gmaxwell: I expect online services could rack up lots of txns
3058 2011-06-13 19:13:34 <forrestv> is anybody here an admin on the forums? i need to get activated :/
3059 2011-06-13 19:13:36 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: for anonymity you'd ideally want to color addresses by co-input contamination... ugh.
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3061 2011-06-13 19:14:01 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: Yeah, but if you don't care, you can just combine it all into one output and never give any transaction more than one input.
3062 2011-06-13 19:14:28 <ArdaXi> For example, you can have two addresses, one on which you combine all your anonymous inputs, and one on which you combine all your non-anonymous inputs.
3063 2011-06-13 19:14:35 <ArdaXi> So long as they never mix, you get the best of both worlds.
3064 2011-06-13 19:14:43 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: well you don't want a chaining feed of all your coin becaus the returning coin has to confirm.
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3066 2011-06-13 19:15:09 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: True, but if you get the combining TX into the next block, it only takes 7 confirmations instead of 6.
3067 2011-06-13 19:15:11 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: I call that "running two wallets" ;)
3068 2011-06-13 19:15:27 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: Yeah, except you never run into the issue of having a TX over 1 KB.
3069 2011-06-13 19:15:37 <ArdaXi> And it makes the network require far less bandwidth in total.
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3071 2011-06-13 19:15:47 <gmaxwell> the faucet was using that kind of rolling txn for a long time. Well, still does, but now with send-many.
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3073 2011-06-13 19:15:56 <ArdaXi> But it needs to be handled more carefully by the user.
3074 2011-06-13 19:16:13 <gmaxwell> ArdaXi: you'd have >1 input whenever you had recieved more funds.
3075 2011-06-13 19:16:22 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: Well, yes, then you'd have 2.
3076 2011-06-13 19:16:25 <gmaxwell> (to merge them into the spool txn)
3077 2011-06-13 19:16:36 <ArdaXi> But never more than 2.
3078 2011-06-13 19:16:47 <gmaxwell> actually you might just have never more than two, just run N spools that eventually merge.
3079 2011-06-13 19:17:01 <ArdaXi> Exactly. If you do it from the start, you never have more than 2 inputs per TX.
3080 2011-06-13 19:17:05 <gmaxwell> hah yep.
3081 2011-06-13 19:17:32 <ArdaXi> But it requires 3 inputs per transaction.
3082 2011-06-13 19:17:43 <ArdaXi> One for the initial transaction, and 2 for the merger.
3083 2011-06-13 19:17:48 <ArdaXi> Rather than just 1.
3084 2011-06-13 19:18:30 <gmaxwell> hm? there is the continued, then some other txn that you're picking up, then the output and the change to be the next continued.
3085 2011-06-13 19:18:44 <ArdaXi> Yeah.
3086 2011-06-13 19:18:48 <gmaxwell> if your send rate is > your rx you'll eventually groom all txn into the spool.
3087 2011-06-13 19:19:05 <ArdaXi> Yeah, but for every incoming transaction you need to publish another transaction to merge them.
3088 2011-06-13 19:19:41 <gmaxwell> or don't. just leave them seperate until a send gives you a chance to take an extra input or two.
3089 2011-06-13 19:19:48 <falafell> ;;bc,stats
3090 2011-06-13 19:20:07 <ArdaXi> gmaxwell: Yeah, and then you get around the TX fee that every transaction will eventually have too.
3091 2011-06-13 19:21:09 <falafell> ;;bc,info
3092 2011-06-13 19:21:25 <ArdaXi> falafell: Give the poor fella some time.
3093 2011-06-13 19:21:30 <falafell> xD
3094 2011-06-13 19:21:31 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
3095 2011-06-13 19:21:39 <ArdaXi> ...to come up with an error.
3096 2011-06-13 19:21:51 <gribble> Error: "bc,info" is not a valid command.
3097 2011-06-13 19:23:09 <falafell> ok what block is new difficulty?
3098 2011-06-13 19:23:31 <iz> ;;bc,stats
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3100 2011-06-13 19:23:58 <gmaxwell> falafell: new?
3101 2011-06-13 19:24:09 <gmaxwell> it won't change for another day and a half.
3102 2011-06-13 19:24:29 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
3103 2011-06-13 19:24:32 <falafell> no im not new, i just don't remember it
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3105 2011-06-13 19:25:08 <gmaxwell> the current difficulty is "difficulty" : 567358.22457067,
3106 2011-06-13 19:25:26 <ArdaXi> Hm, block explorer down?
3107 2011-06-13 19:25:26 <gmaxwell> (well thats from a .21 node, so its slightly wrong but so was gribble)
3108 2011-06-13 19:25:45 <ArdaXi> We need another block explorer.
3109 2011-06-13 19:26:00 droope has joined
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3111 2011-06-13 19:26:52 <droope> Hi! any source of a kewl/fast minning client that uses gpu and defaults to cpu?
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3113 2011-06-13 19:27:01 <ArdaXi> droope: #bitcoin-mining
3114 2011-06-13 19:28:15 <droope> thanks, ArdaXi, i just reckoned that since i want to develop my own
3115 2011-06-13 19:28:19 <droope> ok, will check that chan
3116 2011-06-13 19:28:30 <ArdaXi> They know more about mining than we do.
3117 2011-06-13 19:30:21 ArtForzZy is now known as ArtForz
3118 2011-06-13 19:30:39 <xelister> ArdaXi: yo
3119 2011-06-13 19:30:44 <xelister> ArtForz: yo
3120 2011-06-13 19:30:52 <xelister> how was the big house =) ._>
3121 2011-06-13 19:31:40 lebish_zz is now known as lebish
3122 2011-06-13 19:32:24 <lyspooner> did artforz go to jail or something
3123 2011-06-13 19:33:20 molecular has joined
3124 2011-06-13 19:33:21 <xelister> no just visited his uncle
3125 2011-06-13 19:33:25 <xelister> that has a big home >_>
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3127 2011-06-13 19:37:12 <lfm> prolly wants to buy a big home for himself
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3131 2011-06-13 19:39:24 <xelister> EXCEPTION: N5boost16exception_detail10clone_implINS0_19error_info_injectorINS_6system12system_errorEEEEE
3132 2011-06-13 19:39:29 <lfm> bc,mtgox
3133 2011-06-13 19:39:30 <xelister> instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<boost::system::system_error> >'
3134 2011-06-13 19:39:37 <xelister> lol c++, u so crazy =) still <3 u
3135 2011-06-13 19:39:40 <lfm> ;;bc,mtgox
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3137 2011-06-13 19:40:13 <lfm> gribble down?
3138 2011-06-13 19:40:47 <xelister> lfm: just lags ~30 sec
3139 2011-06-13 19:40:59 <iz> haha c++ is so crazy
3140 2011-06-13 19:41:07 <lfm> orly
3141 2011-06-13 19:43:29 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":24.5,"low":18.1,"vol":71009,"buy":19.4843,"sell":19.52,"last":19.5}}
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3149 2011-06-13 19:52:35 <xelister> iz: it is =) but rocks
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3160 2011-06-13 20:01:49 <eamon> ;;bc,stats
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3163 2011-06-13 20:04:43 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
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3166 2011-06-13 20:06:51 * falafell slaps gribble
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3168 2011-06-13 20:07:45 <denisx> ;;bc, stats
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3171 2011-06-13 20:09:30 <achim> I like to know what bitcoin experts think about future BTC-exceptance in the world if BTC/USD continues to variate so large in hourly/daily time-scale :)
3172 2011-06-13 20:09:39 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
3173 2011-06-13 20:09:43 <achim> exc=acc
3174 2011-06-13 20:10:02 <falafell> achim, bitcoin is a baby, if it grows up it will stabilize
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3176 2011-06-13 20:10:33 <achim> Are you hoping on God or have you a logical sounded reason for this? ;)
3177 2011-06-13 20:10:55 <achim> The "kernel" is: "If What grows up" ?
3178 2011-06-13 20:11:18 <falafell> bitcoin growing up as in more acceptance by people and merchants
3179 2011-06-13 20:11:28 <achim> The realtive amount which dealers use on stock exchnage ? ;-))
3180 2011-06-13 20:11:57 <phantomcircuit> achim, if volume increases the ability of a small group of people to move the market so drastically
3181 2011-06-13 20:12:13 <achim> IF "What" grows up? The number of realeed/existing BTC? No, sorry , this is surely NOT suffiecinet!
3182 2011-06-13 20:12:42 <achim> but people use BTC alomst for BTC-trading, only a few big dealers will collect most BTCs! :)
3183 2011-06-13 20:13:08 <jrmithdobbs> oh yaye this argument again
3184 2011-06-13 20:13:11 * jrmithdobbs rolleyes
3185 2011-06-13 20:14:35 <achim> sorry, but a simple conclusion is: as long as these extrem rallye occur, people will do the opposite and avoid BTC, and goverment has no need to stop BTC ;-)
3186 2011-06-13 20:14:49 <phantomcircuit> achim, then dont buy any
3187 2011-06-13 20:14:52 <phantomcircuit> problem solved
3188 2011-06-13 20:14:58 <jrmithdobbs> achim: welcome to how small markets work ...
3189 2011-06-13 20:15:15 <achim> ??? if you dislike to think then don't commet. This is offtopic @phantomcircuit
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3191 2011-06-13 20:15:32 <phantomcircuit> i like how random people tell me to stfu here
3192 2011-06-13 20:15:46 <phantomcircuit> achim, you are offtopic, plz2#bitcoin
3193 2011-06-13 20:15:52 <achim> I dislike peopel, commenting off-topc to try avoid thinking
3194 2011-06-13 20:15:56 <ArtForz> yup
3195 2011-06-13 20:16:04 <ArtForz> is this development related?... no.
3196 2011-06-13 20:16:28 <jrmithdobbs> is it troll related? def.
3197 2011-06-13 20:16:33 <ArtForz> yup
3198 2011-06-13 20:16:34 <phantomcircuit> ahah it's a reporter
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3200 2011-06-13 20:16:38 <achim> this is a general BTC-acceptance philosophic problem .... and not aperson of mine :-(
3201 2011-06-13 20:16:40 <phantomcircuit> achim, unity media group
3202 2011-06-13 20:16:41 <iera> achim: well if everybody would talk about offtopic stuff this channel wouldnt work
3203 2011-06-13 20:17:03 <gps_> quick question on pushpool. Is there an easy line I can change inside msg.c to increase the easy share target from 1 up a little bit but not the full 500k?
3204 2011-06-13 20:17:04 <achim> I wonder why phantomcircuit sdtart so obviususly :-/
3205 2011-06-13 20:17:14 <achim> nothing inclined to me special
3206 2011-06-13 20:17:18 <achim> bye
3207 2011-06-13 20:17:21 <phantomcircuit> oh no
3208 2011-06-13 20:17:26 <phantomcircuit> just some german dude
3209 2011-06-13 20:17:44 <jrmithdobbs> your english it hurts my head
3210 2011-06-13 20:17:49 <iera> phantomcircuit: not really, its a cable isp
3211 2011-06-13 20:17:51 <jrmithdobbs> a lot
3212 2011-06-13 20:18:30 <achim> (I was told people like to shift to grammtical and typo discussion if they can't argue to the contens ) .... ;)
3213 2011-06-13 20:18:36 <ArtForz> shrug, anyways, obvious troll is obvious
3214 2011-06-13 20:18:54 achim has quit (Quit: Page closed)
3215 2011-06-13 20:19:16 <jrmithdobbs> just ban webchat already ;P
3216 2011-06-13 20:19:59 <gps_> web chat is convinient though when you are not on your home computer
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3218 2011-06-13 20:21:05 <ArtForz> or make a webchat that only goes to #bitcoin-bewareofthenewbs ...errr... #bitcoin
3219 2011-06-13 20:21:48 <machine5> sell mortimer sell http://www.street-finance.com/story/bitcoin-the-bit-con-avoid-the-bubble-stay-high-and-dry
3220 2011-06-13 20:22:01 <cut> gps_: i'm guessing config.c:#define EASY_TARGET "ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff00000000"
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3222 2011-06-13 20:22:14 <gps_> cut thanks, hadn't looked in there yet
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3224 2011-06-13 20:23:45 <gps_> cut; tjat jas 8 zeros on it. is that a difficulty 1? or is that the minimum target to submit to bitcoin?
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3227 2011-06-13 20:24:00 <jgarzik> cut: what are you trying to do?
3228 2011-06-13 20:24:11 <jgarzik> oh sorry
3229 2011-06-13 20:24:13 <cut> gps is looking to set the difficulty higher
3230 2011-06-13 20:24:15 <jgarzik> gps_: what are you trying to do?
3231 2011-06-13 20:24:25 <gps_> change the easy share target
3232 2011-06-13 20:24:40 <jgarzik> gps_: EASY_TARGET isn't the only change, you have to hack the solution checking code, which is currently hardcoded to 40 bits of zeros
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3234 2011-06-13 20:24:53 <jgarzik> gps_: I would love a patch adding proper target checking
3235 2011-06-13 20:25:04 <jgarzik> gps_: grep for 'better_hash'
3236 2011-06-13 20:25:33 <gps_> thanks. better_hash is target for bitcoin, and easy_target is the easy share target?
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3238 2011-06-13 20:25:55 <falafell> wtf... mtgox got hacked???
3239 2011-06-13 20:25:57 <falafell> i lost all my cash
3240 2011-06-13 20:26:02 <falafell> O_O
3241 2011-06-13 20:26:10 <phantomcircuit> rofl
3242 2011-06-13 20:26:16 <phantomcircuit> trolololololololol
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3244 2011-06-13 20:26:23 <falafell> ... fu im not trolling...
3245 2011-06-13 20:26:23 <phantomcircuit> this shit is getting old
3246 2011-06-13 20:26:26 <vegard> pics or it didn't happen
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3248 2011-06-13 20:26:33 <ArtForz> *yawn*
3249 2011-06-13 20:26:34 <ersi> falafell: "Ok"
3250 2011-06-13 20:26:38 <falafell> i just logged in to buy some btc
3251 2011-06-13 20:27:15 <falafell> vegard, what pics do you want? a message "haha i hacked your account "?...
3252 2011-06-13 20:27:31 <phantomcircuit> more likely YOU got hacked
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3254 2011-06-13 20:27:48 <xelister> falafell: lost all your cash?
3255 2011-06-13 20:27:51 <falafell> possibly... im using a 9 digit password alphanumeric
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3257 2011-06-13 20:27:54 <xelister> falafell: did you had some outstanding ordes
3258 2011-06-13 20:27:57 <xelister> orders
3259 2011-06-13 20:28:10 <gps_> jgarzik: no promises, but let me see what I can scrub together. I'm a nub but if I can get something working i'll send it your way
3260 2011-06-13 20:28:13 <ersi> Oh, he'd neever - that would make sense!
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3264 2011-06-13 20:28:17 <falafell> no, the guy bought btc and sent it to some address
3265 2011-06-13 20:28:29 <vegard> so.. screenshots
3266 2011-06-13 20:28:46 <falafell> of those transactions?
3267 2011-06-13 20:28:49 <falafell> account history>?
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3269 2011-06-13 20:28:57 <ArtForz> pretty sure mtgox wasnt hacked...
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3273 2011-06-13 20:29:30 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: same.
3274 2011-06-13 20:29:33 <phantomcircuit> actually it's possible there is a race condition somewhere
3275 2011-06-13 20:29:53 <phantomcircuit> the trading platform isn't keeping up with the demand very well at all
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3277 2011-06-13 20:30:07 <jrmithdobbs> falafell: if you really thought this you would be emailing instead of trolling
3278 2011-06-13 20:30:18 <falafell> im just pointing this out as an alert not to troll..
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3280 2011-06-13 20:30:30 <ArtForz> falafell: ahhh, so you want to buy cheap, eh?
3281 2011-06-13 20:30:39 <falafell> i've been around longer then today
3282 2011-06-13 20:30:43 <jrmithdobbs> alert to what? that you had purchase you forgot about or a possibly bad password or that you just want to drop prices to get in cheaper?
3283 2011-06-13 20:30:48 <falafell> no artforz-.-
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3285 2011-06-13 20:31:16 <emock> lulzsec got falafell...
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3288 2011-06-13 20:31:24 <falafell> damn there's so much trolling going on i cant get people to take me serious?
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3290 2011-06-13 20:31:37 <falafell> i don't care about the money...
3291 2011-06-13 20:31:38 <jrmithdobbs> not without confirmation from MagicalTux
3292 2011-06-13 20:31:41 <emock> my mtgox account is fine
3293 2011-06-13 20:31:42 <ArtForz> yup
3294 2011-06-13 20:31:51 <ArtForz> mail MT, ask him for IP logs
3295 2011-06-13 20:31:52 <ArtForz> same
3296 2011-06-13 20:32:01 <ArtForz> and it'äs not like I only keep pocket change on mtgox
3297 2011-06-13 20:32:01 <ersi> My account and balance is alright as well.
3298 2011-06-13 20:32:22 <falafell> i will i just found out so i thought i report it here..
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3300 2011-06-13 20:32:46 <jrmithdobbs> which is why we don't believe you
3301 2011-06-13 20:32:51 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, well that's not really fair MagicalTux hasn't been responding to email...
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3303 2011-06-13 20:33:10 <ArtForz> phantomcircuit: dunno, has been pretty responsive imo
3304 2011-06-13 20:33:12 <lyspooner> anyone note that it is cheaper and more effecetive to launder your coins doing Namecoin/BTC transactions on bitparking than any bitcoin laundry service?
3305 2011-06-13 20:33:18 <falafell> jrmithdobbs, you don't have to believe me
3306 2011-06-13 20:33:24 <vegard> it WOULD be nice for mtgox to have an ip log for each account (viewable by the account owner)
3307 2011-06-13 20:33:34 <ArtForz> it sometimes takes a day or 2 to get a reply, but thats kinda expected
3308 2011-06-13 20:33:40 <ArtForz> vegard: agreed
3309 2011-06-13 20:33:40 <falafell> i'll let you guys know when i have a reply from gox
3310 2011-06-13 20:33:41 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, i've had an open ticket about 70BTC down the rabbit hole for about a week now...
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3312 2011-06-13 20:34:54 <diki> ;;bc,stats
3313 2011-06-13 20:35:03 <vegard> falafell: also, when did you last get drunk? ;)
3314 2011-06-13 20:35:19 <falafell> i don't drink, not a drop
3315 2011-06-13 20:35:29 <emock> maybe he had some bad falafel...
3316 2011-06-13 20:35:32 <falafell> oh yea, flame on im trollin :)
3317 2011-06-13 20:35:33 <diki> same
3318 2011-06-13 20:35:52 <falafell> i'll report back when i have a reply from mtgox
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3320 2011-06-13 20:36:59 <ArtForz> yup, sounds like a good idea
3321 2011-06-13 20:37:46 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
3322 2011-06-13 20:37:55 <ArtForz> gaaah, broken bot is broken
3323 2011-06-13 20:38:09 <diki> same
3324 2011-06-13 20:38:11 <diki> ;;bc,stats
3325 2011-06-13 20:38:26 <ArtForz> doesnt work, blockexplorer is down
3326 2011-06-13 20:38:45 <ArtForz> gribble fetches stats from BE
3327 2011-06-13 20:38:46 <diki> ;;bc,stat?
3328 2011-06-13 20:38:50 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: he responded to me just a couple days ago about something
3329 2011-06-13 20:38:52 <diki> damn
3330 2011-06-13 20:39:01 <ArtForz> BE breaks, gribble breaks :/
3331 2011-06-13 20:39:10 <diki> why does bex not work?
3332 2011-06-13 20:39:36 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
3333 2011-06-13 20:39:45 <ArtForz> lol
3334 2011-06-13 20:39:47 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat?" is not a valid command.
3335 2011-06-13 20:40:23 <jrmithdobbs> ok, so if I have a little endian binary string of format: 1byteversion + RIPE160MD(sha256(publickey) + First 4 bytes of sha256(sha256(previous part of this binary string))
3336 2011-06-13 20:41:04 <diki> ;;bc,stat
3337 2011-06-13 20:41:05 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
3338 2011-06-13 20:41:06 <ArtForz> sounds like you have the binary representation of a base58 address
3339 2011-06-13 20:41:06 <lorph> uhhh, i just started bitcoin and pushpool while it was downloading blocks
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3341 2011-06-13 20:41:08 <diki> ;;bc,stats
3342 2011-06-13 20:41:11 <jrmithdobbs> and I'm not getting expected base58 output after swapping it to bigendian and using openssl's BIGNUM bath for base58 encoding ... ther's a bug in my base58 encoding logic, yes?
3343 2011-06-13 20:41:17 <lorph> now bitcoin is frozen on nanosleep
3344 2011-06-13 20:41:21 <jrmithdobbs> s/bath/math/
3345 2011-06-13 20:41:40 <lorph> anyone know if bitcoin is prone to freezes like this
3346 2011-06-13 20:42:03 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
3347 2011-06-13 20:42:11 * diki slaps gribble around a bit with a large trout
3348 2011-06-13 20:42:26 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: that'd be a yes, then ;P
3349 2011-06-13 20:42:38 <ArtForz> yeah
3350 2011-06-13 20:42:47 <ArtForz> getting base58 en/decoding right is a pain
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3353 2011-06-13 20:45:28 <vegard> falafell: how much did you lose anyway?
3354 2011-06-13 20:45:28 <luke-jr> hey, who unpinned Eligius? -.-
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3356 2011-06-13 20:45:44 <jrmithdobbs> unpinned?
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3358 2011-06-13 20:46:13 <falafell> vegard 20 btc and about 100 usd
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3367 2011-06-13 21:02:37 <falafell> here's where my coins were sent to.... 1KPTdMb6p7H3YCwsyFqrEmKGmsHqe1Q3jg1KPTdMb6p7H3YCwsyFqrEmKGmsHqe1Q3jg
3368 2011-06-13 21:02:40 <falafell> looks like im not the only one
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3370 2011-06-13 21:03:12 <jrmithdobbs> falafell: you use that password on your sony account?
3371 2011-06-13 21:03:13 <jrmithdobbs> heh
3372 2011-06-13 21:03:17 <falafell> or maybe they are legitly his own and only mine got stolen...
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3377 2011-06-13 21:05:22 <jrmithdobbs> can someone double check for me what this (in big endian and hex representation here) data should base58 encode to?
3378 2011-06-13 21:05:27 <jrmithdobbs> 0x965EEFAFBC4828E5E842F205A238DFBDC4C31B7E099A8310963362FE7F456616AA08051E80
3379 2011-06-13 21:05:57 <jrmithdobbs> I'm getting: 3JUUvi3jFAtdzAxJcHjQGLz4Usc4imacD2rXc3NzbUmSrCMxcf6
3380 2011-06-13 21:06:00 <jrmithdobbs> but that doesn't seem right
3381 2011-06-13 21:06:01 <lfm> someone sent 25000 btc to that same address
3382 2011-06-13 21:06:06 <lyspooner> the economist with the most in-depth article in print thus far: http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2011/06/virtual-currency
3383 2011-06-13 21:06:58 <vegard> jrmithdobbs: why don't you use the code from the official bitcoin client?
3384 2011-06-13 21:07:57 <jrmithdobbs> vegard: because it depends on so much crap that stripping it out to check with is harder than it would seem
3385 2011-06-13 21:07:58 <ArtForz> jrmithdobbs: bitcointools has a nice base58 en/decoder
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3387 2011-06-13 21:13:01 <IoWn3rU> has anyone dabbled in making a HFT (high frequency trader) for Mt Gox?
3388 2011-06-13 21:13:32 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: hadn't noticed that, that'll make this easier to debug
3389 2011-06-13 21:15:39 <jrmithdobbs> ok at least i've verified it is def the base58encode i'm using since it doesn't decode to the expected value
3390 2011-06-13 21:15:42 <jrmithdobbs> heh
3391 2011-06-13 21:15:57 <jrmithdobbs> so i got all the stupid endian swapping right at least
3392 2011-06-13 21:16:12 * jgarzik hopes somebody gets bitcoin & cpuminer going on big endian
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3394 2011-06-13 21:16:56 <BitterTea> Is the block chain forked?
3395 2011-06-13 21:17:12 <ArtForz> nope
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3397 2011-06-13 21:17:20 <BitterTea> I'm seeing 130576 blocks on BitcoinCharts.com, but 130594 in my client
3398 2011-06-13 21:17:31 <ArtForz> same
3399 2011-06-13 21:17:43 <BitterTea> Maybe BitcoinCharts is behind... BlockExplorer is still down
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3402 2011-06-13 21:23:01 <jgarzik> http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2011/06/virtual-currency
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3407 2011-06-13 21:25:18 <lfm> jrmithdobbs: 37 bytes? when I do base58 encode I start with 20 bytes.
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3410 2011-06-13 21:26:49 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: omg they got lots of details just right.
3411 2011-06-13 21:27:03 <emock> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base58 ?? a hoax?
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3413 2011-06-13 21:27:19 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: yeah. I'm impressed.
3414 2011-06-13 21:27:41 <gmaxwell> emock: what do you mean by a hoax?
3415 2011-06-13 21:27:49 <gmaxwell> emock: there are many possible mappings for base-58.
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3417 2011-06-13 21:28:20 <emock> wikipedia article on base58 is suspected as hoax?
3418 2011-06-13 21:28:31 <gmaxwell> emock: well it sounds like convoluted nonsense.
3419 2011-06-13 21:28:48 <emock> sounds like it describes base58...
3420 2011-06-13 21:28:57 <TD> base58 is a bitcoin-specific encoding
3421 2011-06-13 21:29:01 <gmaxwell> emock: why that particular scheme and not another? I meanâ sure, we use that one in bitcoin, but there are _many other_ possible base58s.
3422 2011-06-13 21:29:02 <TD> it doesn't need a wikipedia page
3423 2011-06-13 21:29:06 <gmaxwell> Agreed.
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3425 2011-06-13 21:29:31 <lfm> emok base58 doesnt really need a wikipeidia page. it is peculiar to bitcoin
3426 2011-06-13 21:29:57 <emock> isn't it the same as described there tho?
3427 2011-06-13 21:30:16 <lfm> emok ya but it is also incomplete
3428 2011-06-13 21:30:24 <Theo`> plus the Wikipedia article is wrong
3429 2011-06-13 21:30:28 <gmaxwell> emock: thats just describing the scheme in bitcoin, incorrectly.
3430 2011-06-13 21:30:29 <Theo`> the alphabet is in wrong order
3431 2011-06-13 21:30:55 <emock> okay, just wondered why it was flagged as a hoax.
3432 2011-06-13 21:30:59 <Theo`> and = is not a Base64 alphabet character, / is
3433 2011-06-13 21:31:02 <Theo`> = is used for padding
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3435 2011-06-13 21:31:35 <lfm> emok cuz no one ever heard of it outside bitcoin
3436 2011-06-13 21:31:41 <gmaxwell> emock: it's not longer marked as a hoax. :) :)
3437 2011-06-13 21:32:08 <emock> great⦠I didn't want to to that myself since I'm not sure what base58 is, exactly
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3439 2011-06-13 21:33:19 <lfm> emok its the encodeing used for bitcoin addresses
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3441 2011-06-13 21:33:39 <emock> yea, I see that⦠just wondered what the encoding actually was.
3442 2011-06-13 21:33:47 <gmaxwell> emock: see the source. :)
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3444 2011-06-13 21:33:57 <lfm> emok oh, well too complex to describe here! grin
3445 2011-06-13 21:34:16 <gmaxwell> emock: base58.h
3446 2011-06-13 21:34:16 <lfm> emok and rather silly really
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3448 2011-06-13 21:34:52 <emock> well, as long as there's 1-to-1 correspondence with other basis...
3449 2011-06-13 21:35:44 <emock> anyway, source is on my laptop backed for the commute home⦠will look later. Thanks for the pointer to the header.
3450 2011-06-13 21:35:50 <lfm> emok I dont think it really coresponds to other numeric encoding bases
3451 2011-06-13 21:35:54 <emock> s/backed/packed
3452 2011-06-13 21:36:15 <gmaxwell> "header" ... freeking c++.
3453 2011-06-13 21:36:18 <lfm> stricktly speaking
3454 2011-06-13 21:36:55 <lfm> hehe yup its bitcoin. as mentioned earlier there is a python version in bitcointools if you prefer
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3458 2011-06-13 21:38:56 <emock> nice explanation in base58.h (decided to find it online before leaving)
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3489 2011-06-13 22:05:07 <falafell> ;;bc,stats
3490 2011-06-13 22:05:58 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
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3492 2011-06-13 22:06:54 <xelister> <allinvain> I just got hacked recently and I want to stop the spending of my coins - <allinvain> if anyone sees MagicalTux please please tell him "allinvain" is looking for him
3493 2011-06-13 22:07:12 <xelister> ArtForz: ^ (although, I guess it is likelly his fault - his computer hacked)
3494 2011-06-13 22:07:17 <xelister> on #bitcoin now
3495 2011-06-13 22:07:26 <ArtForz> xelister: yup
3496 2011-06-13 22:07:29 <MagicalTux> ok
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3498 2011-06-13 22:07:51 <MagicalTux> I'm here
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3500 2011-06-13 22:08:37 <falafell> MagicalTux = mtgox?
3501 2011-06-13 22:08:38 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
3502 2011-06-13 22:08:47 <MagicalTux> falafell: in a way
3503 2011-06-13 22:08:52 <xelister> hi MagicalTux
3504 2011-06-13 22:08:54 <falafell> xD
3505 2011-06-13 22:08:56 <xelister> MagicalTux: here you are!
3506 2011-06-13 22:09:02 <xelister> MagicalTux: everyone is looking for you for days, apparently
3507 2011-06-13 22:09:11 <gribble> timed out
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3509 2011-06-13 22:09:23 <xelister> MagicalTux: allinvain got hacked, he wants to cancel transaction
3510 2011-06-13 22:09:31 <falafell> MagicalTux can you help out with a compromised account?
3511 2011-06-13 22:09:33 <sanity> is it correct that the number of confirmations since my transaction should be approximately equal to the number of 10 minute intervals since the transaction?
3512 2011-06-13 22:09:33 <xelister> 1KPTdMb6p7H3YCwsyFqrEmKGmsHqe1Q3jg 25000 BTC
3513 2011-06-13 22:09:36 <xelister> as he says
3514 2011-06-13 22:09:47 <falafell> xelister, thats the same address
3515 2011-06-13 22:09:47 <xelister> falafell: you too?
3516 2011-06-13 22:09:50 <xelister> 2 people got hacked?
3517 2011-06-13 22:09:53 <xelister> 2 people got hacked by same guy?
3518 2011-06-13 22:09:55 <xelister> trololol\
3519 2011-06-13 22:09:56 <lessPlastic> I made a simple xe.com clone using MtGox API, Google API, jQuery, and PHP. Let me know what you guys think: http://bitcoinvert.com/
3520 2011-06-13 22:09:58 <falafell> yea same address, the 22.93 is mine... :S
3521 2011-06-13 22:10:03 <xelister> YOU NOOBS NEED TO LEARN TO SECURE YOUR COMPUTERS
3522 2011-06-13 22:10:03 <falafell> was...
3523 2011-06-13 22:10:16 <xelister> falafell: he lost 25000. Makes you feel any better? ;)
3524 2011-06-13 22:10:31 <falafell> no ..
3525 2011-06-13 22:10:33 <xelister> MagicalTux: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=16457.0
3526 2011-06-13 22:10:57 <falafell> but i've been breaking my brain for the past hour to find out how this could have happened
3527 2011-06-13 22:11:08 <jgarzik> ok
3528 2011-06-13 22:11:12 <jgarzik> preparing 0.3.23 release
3529 2011-06-13 22:11:14 <falafell> checked all connections in my network, all apps running on pc's
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3531 2011-06-13 22:11:21 <jgarzik> if there are obviously bug we've missed
3532 2011-06-13 22:11:22 <jgarzik> speak up
3533 2011-06-13 22:11:25 <jgarzik> *bugs
3534 2011-06-13 22:11:34 <falafell> im thinking my android device got compromised... but thats just a wild guess
3535 2011-06-13 22:11:34 <jgarzik> we need to get out 0.3.23 ASAP, to fix P2P node issues
3536 2011-06-13 22:11:39 <MagicalTux> mh
3537 2011-06-13 22:11:41 <MagicalTux> blockexplorer is down ?
3538 2011-06-13 22:11:49 <falafell> MagicalTux, somewhat yes
3539 2011-06-13 22:11:51 <xelister> MagicalTux: it is, for many hours at least
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3541 2011-06-13 22:12:01 <MagicalTux> won't be great to track coins
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3543 2011-06-13 22:12:33 <lfm> gribble is crashing slowly too it seems
3544 2011-06-13 22:12:48 * xelister pokes da2ce7
3545 2011-06-13 22:12:58 <xelister> well centralisation starts to show why it sucks..
3546 2011-06-13 22:13:05 <MagicalTux> gribble depends on blockexplorer, I guess
3547 2011-06-13 22:13:17 <MagicalTux> and my own block explorer doesn't allow full tracking as I never had any need for it
3548 2011-06-13 22:13:19 <MagicalTux> time to code it
3549 2011-06-13 22:14:29 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, hey did you get a chance to look into my 70 BTC locked in email
3550 2011-06-13 22:14:48 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: I'll check later, gotta go to the office now
3551 2011-06-13 22:14:55 <falafell> MagicalTux, i sent an email about this to info@mtgox.com maybe thats helpfull
3552 2011-06-13 22:15:19 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, i hope you have someone helping you with all this..
3553 2011-06-13 22:15:39 <xelister> MagicalTux: allinvain supposedly lost 25000
3554 2011-06-13 22:15:46 <MagicalTux> [07:15:08] <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, i hope you have someone helping you with all this.. <- yep
3555 2011-06-13 22:15:58 <MagicalTux> [07:15:28] <xelister> MagicalTux: allinvain supposedly lost 25000 <- not sure I can do anything about it
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3557 2011-06-13 22:16:10 <xelister> MagicalTux: <allinvain> but this is the address the funds got sent to: 1KPTdMb6p7H3YCwsyFqrEmKGmsHqe1Q3jg
3558 2011-06-13 22:16:27 <MagicalTux> anway back in 30min, have a train to catch
3559 2011-06-13 22:16:39 <lfm> the 25000 and falafell's btc went to that same bitcoin address
3560 2011-06-13 22:16:46 <falafell> Which is the same address mine got sent to
3561 2011-06-13 22:16:51 <falafell> yep
3562 2011-06-13 22:17:30 <IoWn3rU> does anyone have a good posting class or function for C#?
3563 2011-06-13 22:17:46 <lfm> posting?
3564 2011-06-13 22:17:58 <IoWn3rU> HTTP Post
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3566 2011-06-13 22:18:26 <IoWn3rU> or maybe an open source implementation for Mt. Gox?
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3568 2011-06-13 22:20:03 <tandy80> what are you guys up to developing?
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3570 2011-06-13 22:20:19 <lfm> "you guys"?
3571 2011-06-13 22:20:29 <IoWn3rU> tandy80: I want to make a HFT with C# for Mt. Gox
3572 2011-06-13 22:20:30 <phantomcircuit> IoWn3rU, there is HTTP support built into .NET
3573 2011-06-13 22:20:39 <tandy80> you guys. I am on an automated trading robot
3574 2011-06-13 22:20:57 <PatrikR> blockexplorer is slow as molasses
3575 2011-06-13 22:21:00 <IoWn3rU> phantomcircuit: yes but the webbrowser component is garbage, and God kills a kitten everytime someone uses it
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3577 2011-06-13 22:21:09 <IoWn3rU> tandy80: Are you? can we talk in PM?
3578 2011-06-13 22:21:15 <lfm> tandy80: oh! do you run it against mtgox?
3579 2011-06-13 22:21:27 <tandy80> double yes lol
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3582 2011-06-13 22:21:38 * unclemantis is still sitting on hands waiting for Dwolla to deposit their pennies :(
3583 2011-06-13 22:21:43 <IoWn3rU> tandy80: PM me
3584 2011-06-13 22:22:06 <phantomcircuit> IoWn3rU, hint you're not going to be able to do that in C#
3585 2011-06-13 22:22:07 * unclemantis needs to get his money out of paypal :(
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3588 2011-06-13 22:22:47 <vegard> falafell: trojan on your machine?
3589 2011-06-13 22:22:51 <lfm> unclemantis: good luck with that! hehe
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3591 2011-06-13 22:22:54 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
3592 2011-06-13 22:22:56 <IoWn3rU> phantomcircuit: hint, there are webbots for black hat seo using C# to make HTTP Posts, I was working on one a few months ago, but found HTTP Posting a bit difficult so I used the webbrowser component
3593 2011-06-13 22:23:31 <unclemantis> lfm i had a whole weekend of missed trades because of it!
3594 2011-06-13 22:24:01 <tandy80> mtgox is shit we need something better for proper trading
3595 2011-06-13 22:24:11 <unclemantis> Also now I have to wait until this friday as well to make any new contacts in #bitcoin-otc due to the new restrictions that they implemented this morning! :(
3596 2011-06-13 22:24:11 <tandy80> i could copy mtgox in one weekend
3597 2011-06-13 22:24:11 <lfm> unclemantis: ya many people here hate paypal and wish bitcoin was as big
3598 2011-06-13 22:24:22 <jgarzik> tandy80: this is a dev channel. please take rants to #bitcoin or #bitcoin-otc-foyer
3599 2011-06-13 22:24:31 <tandy80> unclemantis: i hate this new restrictions
3600 2011-06-13 22:24:32 <falafell> vegard, i scanned it with 2 scanners and checked all connections, nothing indicates my system is compromised
3601 2011-06-13 22:24:34 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
3602 2011-06-13 22:24:36 <falafell> at least not my pc
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3604 2011-06-13 22:24:42 <unclemantis> the only funds I had to work with over the weekend was paypal since Dwolla and other sites you need to link to your bank account and that takes time
3605 2011-06-13 22:24:45 <tandy80> jgarzik: you re right sorry
3606 2011-06-13 22:24:53 <jgarzik> np :)
3607 2011-06-13 22:24:59 <unclemantis> tandy80 I don't understand it
3608 2011-06-13 22:25:07 <unclemantis> i am 3 days old in bitcoin-otc
3609 2011-06-13 22:25:13 <falafell> but i accessed mtgox on my phone too, maybe that has something spying
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3611 2011-06-13 22:25:30 <unclemantis> i would think it would make sence that they would start from TODAY not make it retro like they did
3612 2011-06-13 22:25:59 <F4C3> wow, block explorer is crawling today
3613 2011-06-13 22:26:10 <unclemantis> also there are people still in there that are NOT greater than 7 days and that is only because they never left the channel and my computer went into sleep mode so i am out for a while. Sucks. They should have booted EVERYONE after they made this new restriction
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3615 2011-06-13 22:27:02 <unclemantis> i am 3 days old. I have a registered with gribble. I have a possitive trading rating. I don't get it!
3616 2011-06-13 22:27:11 <jgarzik> F4C3: probably some idiot who thinks DDoS'ing blockexplorer will take down bitcoin
3617 2011-06-13 22:27:15 <xelister> unclemantis: gu gu gu gu
3618 2011-06-13 22:27:23 <tandy80> unclemantis: I have no idea how long I am here. Same for the bitcoin.org forum. I no longer want to join this closed communities
3619 2011-06-13 22:27:27 <jgarzik> we need a blockexplorer clone, though
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3621 2011-06-13 22:27:28 <unclemantis> xelister don't mind me, just venting
3622 2011-06-13 22:27:34 <tandy80> I unclemantis: I will stay on the open channels
3623 2011-06-13 22:27:35 <xelister> I ment, you are 3 days old
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3625 2011-06-13 22:27:51 <unclemantis> xelister ya. It is stupid what they did
3626 2011-06-13 22:28:14 <unclemantis> I have a raiting, hello! I have done business! I am contributing to the community! HELLO!!!
3627 2011-06-13 22:28:35 <xelister> unclemantis: you mean the #bitcoin-otc-foyer shit? I disslike it too
3628 2011-06-13 22:28:39 <F4C3> fun fun fun,actually a locally running blockexplorer tool would be cool
3629 2011-06-13 22:28:47 <unclemantis> ya xelister i don't get it
3630 2011-06-13 22:28:49 <F4C3> would that work?
3631 2011-06-13 22:28:54 <lfm> what? if you have to shut off your computer every night you cant play?
3632 2011-06-13 22:29:01 <unclemantis> again, if you never leave the channel it doesn't apply to new commers
3633 2011-06-13 22:29:08 <jgarzik> F4C3: sure. everything you need is in the block chain already.
3634 2011-06-13 22:29:20 <jgarzik> F4C3: blockexplorer is nothing but an indexed block chain
3635 2011-06-13 22:29:40 <unclemantis> now that i have talked shit about otc, can I get an invite by someone? LOL
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3637 2011-06-13 22:29:58 <jgarzik> blockexplorer is up, just very, very slow.
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3640 2011-06-13 22:30:41 <jgarzik> unclemantis: auth with gribble... invites should be automated
3641 2011-06-13 22:30:47 <F4C3> interesting, it's been a while since i've written an actual compiled app. something to thinkabout. jgarzik, does the person who runs blockexplorer know how to mitigate a ddos?
3642 2011-06-13 22:31:00 <unclemantis> jgarzik they where not this morning
3643 2011-06-13 22:31:03 <jgarzik> F4C3: theymos runs it. dunno. he has plenty of clue.
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3646 2011-06-13 22:31:25 <unclemantis> ;;gpg eauth unclemantis
3647 2011-06-13 22:31:26 <gribble> Request successful for user unclemantis, hostmask unclemantis!~unclemant@c-98-198-52-162.hsd1.tx.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/68D8663F87AC20D5
3648 2011-06-13 22:31:37 <jgarzik> unclemantis: please /msg gribble
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3651 2011-06-13 22:32:42 <F4C3> jgarzik, okay ill leave it to him.
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3653 2011-06-13 22:32:48 <phantomcircuit> IoWn3rU, obviously you can do http post in c#, what you wont be able to do is hft
3654 2011-06-13 22:33:03 <jgarzik> F4C3: I bet you'd make money with a blockexplorer competitor that takes ads
3655 2011-06-13 22:33:25 <jgarzik> bitblocks.org is available :)
3656 2011-06-13 22:33:48 <IoWn3rU> phantomcircuit: and why's that?
3657 2011-06-13 22:34:06 <unclemantis> gribble is laggin bad
3658 2011-06-13 22:34:35 <F4C3> jgarzik, not a bad idea. maybe ill just integrate the service/interface into the coindaemon app. i think im going to have to go a different direction than hosting services and sell it more as a control panel. but really not sure..
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3660 2011-06-13 22:34:38 <phantomcircuit> IoWn3rU, HFT is usually sub 10ms trades, first off you'd need to buy hosting at the same place as mtgox which is $$$ then you need to get/process trades faster than everybody else doing it does
3661 2011-06-13 22:34:55 <phantomcircuit> IoWn3rU, and in the arms race of faster software c# is not going to be a winner
3662 2011-06-13 22:35:36 <IoWn3rU> phantomcircuit: of course C++ is faster and that's what all the trading shops use, but considering there are little bots trading now on Mt. Gox, I think even a C# or Java bot would trade faster than a human
3663 2011-06-13 22:35:43 <F4C3> hell, ive been so tired lately from writing apps after writing work that ive been considering just open sourcing the damn thing and walking away.
3664 2011-06-13 22:35:45 <genewitch> is gribble open source?
3665 2011-06-13 22:37:11 <jgarzik> genewitch: yes
3666 2011-06-13 22:37:11 <roconnor> hi TD
3667 2011-06-13 22:37:16 <tandy80> what is gribble actually?
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3669 2011-06-13 22:37:26 <jgarzik> tandy80: IRC bot
3670 2011-06-13 22:37:28 <phantomcircuit> IoWn3rU, the trading shops defnitely do not use c++, they use c
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3672 2011-06-13 22:37:33 <tandy80> ok ok thanks
3673 2011-06-13 22:37:35 <TD> roconnor: hi
3674 2011-06-13 22:38:01 <unclemantis> i am authenticated by gribble but I still need to be invited into otc
3675 2011-06-13 22:38:02 <genewitch> jgarzik: will google help me find it or should i search git for nanotube's stuff
3676 2011-06-13 22:38:09 <IoWn3rU> phantomcircuit: my dad has worked in two trading shops, and he used C/C++
3677 2011-06-13 22:38:40 <roconnor> TD: did you notice that the time the first block after a new difficulty isn't counted towards the time taken for the next difficulty level?
3678 2011-06-13 22:38:47 <roconnor> TD: did that make sense?
3679 2011-06-13 22:39:07 <phantomcircuit> IoWn3rU, yeah? then he wasn't doing real hft
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3681 2011-06-13 22:39:27 <phantomcircuit> the vtable lookups in c++ add too much time
3682 2011-06-13 22:39:28 <grand_grunt> Hi! :)
3683 2011-06-13 22:39:29 <TD> you mean in bitoinj?
3684 2011-06-13 22:39:31 <TD> or in general?
3685 2011-06-13 22:39:36 <roconnor> in general
3686 2011-06-13 22:39:42 <roconnor> it's part of the protocol
3687 2011-06-13 22:39:45 <IoWn3rU> phantomcircuit: I just said C/C++ as in C and C++. He obviously wasn't the trader, he was the programmer
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3689 2011-06-13 22:40:15 <roconnor> maybe I can claify
3690 2011-06-13 22:40:17 <grand_grunt> Are there sparc64 optimisated CPU miners for bitcoin? I'm running a Sun Fire that could find a better use than idling.
3691 2011-06-13 22:40:21 <TD> sorry, i'm about to head to bed
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3693 2011-06-13 22:40:23 <roconnor> ah
3694 2011-06-13 22:40:26 <roconnor> another time then
3695 2011-06-13 22:40:31 <TD> probably not the best time to be thinking about this :-)
3696 2011-06-13 22:40:37 DaMan is now known as Guest77803
3697 2011-06-13 22:40:41 <TD> feel free to start a thread on the new bitcoin-development mailing list, the forums or the bitcoinj list
3698 2011-06-13 22:40:53 <phantomcircuit> grand_grunt, generally speaking the increased power consumption isn't worth it anymore
3699 2011-06-13 22:40:55 <directhex> grand_grunt: cpu mining on a real cpu is a waste of time & power for the most part. an extinct cpu, moreso
3700 2011-06-13 22:40:59 <Guest77803> check out: http://bitcoin.dyndns.info/bt/
3701 2011-06-13 22:41:12 <nanotube> genewitch: you could just ask nanotube :)
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3703 2011-06-13 22:41:33 <lfm> grand_grunt: not sure what a sun_fire is but in general CPU miners are too slow. most (serious) miners use GPUs now
3704 2011-06-13 22:41:47 <erle-> why are there so little contributions to the bitcoin client?
3705 2011-06-13 22:42:03 <lfm> erle-: little?
3706 2011-06-13 22:42:07 <grand_grunt> directhex, phantomcircuit, lfm : I don't pay energy supply on this server. It already runs h24 and is idling 95% of time.
3707 2011-06-13 22:42:14 <erle-> lfm, the git looks pretty dead
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3709 2011-06-13 22:42:38 <lfm> erle-: maybe you're looking at the wrong one, I dunno
3710 2011-06-13 22:42:40 <grand_grunt> And SPARC64 CPU got SHA-256 hardware acceleration, so it could be interesting
3711 2011-06-13 22:42:43 <directhex> lfm: sunfire is oracle's range of servers.
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3713 2011-06-13 22:42:56 <grand_grunt> directhex: Please, use the name "Sun", you made me sad :]
3714 2011-06-13 22:43:01 <lfm> grand_grunt: well you might be able to get the cpuminer running on it then.
3715 2011-06-13 22:43:02 <directhex> lfm: from 1U opteron systems up to rack-big sparc
3716 2011-06-13 22:43:21 <grand_grunt> lfm: Yes, but it wouldn't worth it if the cpuminer doesn't use HW acceleration.
3717 2011-06-13 22:43:33 <erle-> lfm, which one do you check out?
3718 2011-06-13 22:44:03 <spq> grand_grunt: so youll probably have to code your own miner or better modify one of those gpu miners
3719 2011-06-13 22:44:05 <lfm> grand_grunt: look at the VIA C7 support in cpu miner, thats using the VIA padlock sha256 hardware instruction
3720 2011-06-13 22:44:42 <grand_grunt> spq: ok, thanks. These bitcoins would have the price of effort :P
3721 2011-06-13 22:44:57 <directhex> grand_grunt: you'd need to write your own miner (or modify an existing one), in order to achieve a fraction of the performance of a cheap radeon. as in "run the whole rack for a day to match 20 minutes on the radeon"
3722 2011-06-13 22:45:43 <lfm> grand_grunt: and whoever IS paying for the power may niotice an increase
3723 2011-06-13 22:45:50 <grand_grunt> directhex: the fact is that I don't have a radeon, even cheap. But I already have a sparc64.
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3725 2011-06-13 22:46:24 <grand_grunt> It won't be noticed, the server is into a bay at work with others fellow's servers, and there is no monitoring on power
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3727 2011-06-13 22:47:11 <lfm> grand_grunt: and they wont notice the 100% cpu bound suddenly either?
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3729 2011-06-13 22:48:46 <grand_grunt> lfm: The server is all mine.
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3731 2011-06-13 22:48:57 <directhex> you won't notice a return. if we generously say 1) you write your own optimized sparc miner, and 2) run it nonstop without anyone noticing, and 3) very generously say a many-cpu sparc box could get 10mhash/s, you're looking at 1 coin per 2 months. assuming no difficulty changes.
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3735 2011-06-13 22:49:39 <genewitch> nanotube: i don't like triggering people for no reason. Can i download gribble somewhere?
3736 2011-06-13 22:50:05 <nanotube> ;;whatis #bitcoin-otc code
3737 2011-06-13 22:50:09 <gribble> Source code to gribble's bitcoin-related plugins: https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor
3738 2011-06-13 22:50:15 <nanotube> genewitch: ^ that's the bitcoin-related plugins
3739 2011-06-13 22:50:19 <nanotube> and ,,boturl is the core
3740 2011-06-13 22:50:19 <gribble> The bot's webpage is http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
3741 2011-06-13 22:50:22 <grand_grunt> directhex: Ok. Could worth it for the fun, not for the bitcoins. Thanks.
3742 2011-06-13 22:51:11 <lorph> why doesn't pushpool record easy shares in the database
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3746 2011-06-13 22:54:44 <falafell> so if i understand it right allinvain wasnt hacked thru mtgox but on his pc?
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3750 2011-06-13 22:59:34 <jrmithdobbs> falafell: you too most likely
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3753 2011-06-13 23:00:17 <falafell> well he cleaned out my mtgox account, the btc on my pc are still there...
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3759 2011-06-13 23:03:57 <gmaxwell> falafell: attackers often have tunnel vision...
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3763 2011-06-13 23:04:57 <falafell> meaning?
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3769 2011-06-13 23:07:55 <Teslah> Mtgox was hacked?
3770 2011-06-13 23:08:19 <gmaxwell> falafell: e.g. if my plain is to attack people's mtgox accounts I might completely ignore an exposed wallet.
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3778 2011-06-13 23:12:51 <lfm> someone has amassed a good chunk! max unspent value: 432109.88 at block: 130281 2011-06-12 12:57:20
3779 2011-06-13 23:13:32 <falafell> Teslah, probably not, i guess i got infected at some point... havent found the issue yet though
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3781 2011-06-13 23:13:43 <jgarzik> lfm: thread about that... http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=15998.0
3782 2011-06-13 23:16:09 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: why is there a thread at all? wallet got huge, move to address in new wallet
3783 2011-06-13 23:16:13 <jrmithdobbs> pretty straight forward
3784 2011-06-13 23:16:56 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: <shrug> I didn't create it, just thought it might be of interest, since it is of interest on IRC here
3785 2011-06-13 23:17:30 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: just commenting on everyone's overreaction to every tiny thing the last few days ;P
3786 2011-06-13 23:17:40 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: yerp :)
3787 2011-06-13 23:18:13 <jrmithdobbs> We're working on a forum reboot, switching the current mess for a more business-professional one at weusecoins.
3788 2011-06-13 23:18:17 <jrmithdobbs> As the "official" bitcoin forum, this is just an embarrassment.
3789 2011-06-13 23:18:22 <jrmithdobbs> at least something good has come out of that clusterfuck!
3790 2011-06-13 23:18:38 <jgarzik> still depends on those who hold the keys to bitcoin.org
3791 2011-06-13 23:18:43 <jgarzik> which does not include Gavin
3792 2011-06-13 23:18:52 <jgarzik> afaik
3793 2011-06-13 23:19:14 <xelister> would be good if people outside of usafaggistan would hold main rights to bitcoind.org etc
3794 2011-06-13 23:19:22 <xelister> seeing how usa may be first one to potentially ban it
3795 2011-06-13 23:19:40 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
3796 2011-06-13 23:19:41 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
3797 2011-06-13 23:19:43 <JFK911> nice!
3798 2011-06-13 23:20:04 <pierce1> does anyone know where I can find the total terrahash / second that miners are currently operating at?
3799 2011-06-13 23:20:17 <jgarzik> pierce: bitcoinwatch.com
3800 2011-06-13 23:20:25 <jgarzik> pierce1: ^^
3801 2011-06-13 23:20:26 <pierce1> jgarzik: ahh right, awesome thanks
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3804 2011-06-13 23:21:23 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: and maybe we should just ban everyone who makes comments like that in the forums or official channels because that's the exact counterproductive type of comment being derided in the first place
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3807 2011-06-13 23:22:00 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: or maybe you should try what dd if=/dev/zero of=dev/kmem does
3808 2011-06-13 23:22:08 <xelister> /dev
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3812 2011-06-13 23:23:00 <cuddlefish> Hey, I'd like to commission someone
3813 2011-06-13 23:23:03 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: and maybe you shouldn't run an OS that lets users overwrite kernel memory? cannot access /dev/kmem: No such file or directory
3814 2011-06-13 23:23:12 <cuddlefish> to create an 'address password' patch
3815 2011-06-13 23:23:14 <Teslah> cuddlefish: What kind of commission?
3816 2011-06-13 23:23:17 <cuddlefish> s/address/wallet/
3817 2011-06-13 23:23:24 <cuddlefish> s/wallet/account/
3818 2011-06-13 23:23:25 <cuddlefish> dammit
3819 2011-06-13 23:23:35 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: well user. root. Root should have such access. Also you can limit it with security system on top if one wishes... :)
3820 2011-06-13 23:24:05 <cuddlefish> Teslah: So: Patch json-rpc to: all account-related commands require a password
3821 2011-06-13 23:24:25 <cuddlefish> Teslah: password specified in createaccount
3822 2011-06-13 23:24:41 <jrmithdobbs> cuddlefish: code's already written
3823 2011-06-13 23:24:55 <xelister> cuddlefish: sounds like something that will be easly forgotten by everyday users
3824 2011-06-13 23:24:56 <jrmithdobbs> cuddlefish: look for bluematt's pull on github "wallet encryption"
3825 2011-06-13 23:25:02 <cuddlefish> jrmithdobbs: not encrypted.
3826 2011-06-13 23:25:15 <cuddlefish> jrmithdobbs: the important part is the different passwords for each account
3827 2011-06-13 23:25:20 <jrmithdobbs> cuddlefish: encrypting it provides the same side effect of requiring the password
3828 2011-06-13 23:25:23 <xelister> yea why not just encrypt entire wallet... or just use encrypted full-system partition like a man
3829 2011-06-13 23:25:46 <cuddlefish> jrmithdobbs: Okay, but the important part is the DIFFERENT passwords for each accy
3830 2011-06-13 23:25:47 <jrmithdobbs> cuddlefish: oh i missed the different password for each account, that patch could be extended to support multiple encryption keys causing the same side effect
3831 2011-06-13 23:26:09 <cuddlefish> jrmithdobbs: I'll give 5 BTC if you'll do it
3832 2011-06-13 23:26:21 <jrmithdobbs> haha
3833 2011-06-13 23:26:38 <jrmithdobbs> cuddlefish: bluematt would probably take you up on that, it's his code i'm not familiar with it
3834 2011-06-13 23:26:40 <cuddlefish> hmm?
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3841 2011-06-13 23:27:40 <cuddlefish> so, any takers?
3842 2011-06-13 23:28:36 <xelister> cuddlefish: takers of what
3843 2011-06-13 23:28:39 <upb> IoWn3rU: lol you dont have to use a web*Browser* component, there is http support in .NET
3844 2011-06-13 23:28:46 * xelister puts on pants
3845 2011-06-13 23:28:57 <cuddlefish> Teslah: So: Patch json-rpc to: all account-related commands require a password
3846 2011-06-13 23:29:02 <cuddlefish> xelister: ^
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3848 2011-06-13 23:29:12 <cuddlefish> and the password is different for each account
3849 2011-06-13 23:29:24 <cuddlefish> either randomly-generated or set with createaccount
3850 2011-06-13 23:29:33 <cuddlefish> 5 BTC for that
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3853 2011-06-13 23:30:30 <jgarzik> anybody running Windows?
3854 2011-06-13 23:30:47 <jgarzik> I'm curious if 0.3.23-rc1 actuall shows "-rc1" anywhere besides filename?
3855 2011-06-13 23:30:49 <jgarzik> https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.23/test/
3856 2011-06-13 23:30:58 <jgarzik> I'd like to simply rename it to 0.3.23
3857 2011-06-13 23:31:08 <cuddlefish> jgarzik: wine?
3858 2011-06-13 23:31:18 <xelister> qemu? vmware?
3859 2011-06-13 23:31:19 <IoWn3rU> upb: can you show me a tutorial or something?
3860 2011-06-13 23:31:22 <jgarzik> cuddlefish: doesn't necessarily give same install experience
3861 2011-06-13 23:31:33 <cuddlefish> jgarzik: i don't think it'll change strings :P
3862 2011-06-13 23:31:52 <jgarzik> cuddlefish: I don't want the official release to appear in a "0.3.23rc1" folder, for example
3863 2011-06-13 23:32:23 <cuddlefish> jgarzik: wow, prepping for release already? I sense bugfix :P
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3865 2011-06-13 23:32:50 <jgarzik> cuddlefish: that has been messaged since day one: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=15533.0
3866 2011-06-13 23:33:00 <jgarzik> messaged during 0.3.22 release, too
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3868 2011-06-13 23:33:54 <genewitch> cuddlefish: give me ownership of the foonetic bitcoin channel!
3869 2011-06-13 23:34:05 <cuddlefish> genewitch: 100 BTC
3870 2011-06-13 23:34:15 <genewitch> seriously?
3871 2011-06-13 23:34:19 <cuddlefish> maaaaybe
3872 2011-06-13 23:34:25 * cuddlefish wiggles eyebrows
3873 2011-06-13 23:34:28 <cuddlefish> Nah, I'll do it now
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3875 2011-06-13 23:34:33 <genewitch> tyvm
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3878 2011-06-13 23:38:43 <cuddlefish> genewitch: rejoin
3879 2011-06-13 23:39:52 <upb> IoWn3rU: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=WebRequest+class
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3881 2011-06-13 23:40:10 <IoWn3rU> upb: let me google that for you, creative
3882 2011-06-13 23:40:13 <IoWn3rU> upb: thanks :)
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3884 2011-06-13 23:40:46 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
3885 2011-06-13 23:40:47 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
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3890 2011-06-13 23:45:02 <jgarzik> [ANN] Bitcoin version 0.3.23 released - http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=16553.0
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3893 2011-06-13 23:50:15 <fabianhjr> Sup guys?
3894 2011-06-13 23:50:35 ezl is now known as ezl-away
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3896 2011-06-13 23:53:00 <midnightmagic> ah, Bruce Wagner is a much better speaker, he just needs to stop playing counterstrike in the background when he gives interviews.
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3900 2011-06-13 23:55:54 <midnightmagic> :-D
3901 2011-06-13 23:55:54 <fabianhjr> jgarzik: you confuse me with your xf2 change of nickname. xD
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3906 2011-06-13 23:58:12 <Biafra> I have a problem with bitcoin 0.3.22 for Windows
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3908 2011-06-13 23:59:36 <cosurgi> ;;bc,stats
3909 2011-06-13 23:59:36 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: thanks for pointing out bitcointools had a base58.py ;P
3910 2011-06-13 23:59:37 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
3911 2011-06-13 23:59:37 <Biafra> EXCEPTION: NSt8ios_base7failureE/CAutoFile::Write : write failed/C:\Program Files (x86)\Bitcoin\bitcoin.exe
3912 2011-06-13 23:59:55 <cosurgi> what's with gribble?