1 2011-06-16 00:00:00 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: because if you didn't that might be part of the issue. At least when I was using it here I observer it blocking on db access all the freeking time.
   2 2011-06-16 00:00:05 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: and I cant go block on those forever, because then the client stalls
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   5 2011-06-16 00:00:34 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r74302efacbb1 gentoo/net-p2p/pushpool/ (Manifest pushpool-0.5.ebuild): net-p2p/pushpool-0.5 http://tinyurl.com/6jz48y6
   6 2011-06-16 00:00:49 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: right you should timeout and retry.
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   8 2011-06-16 00:01:12 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: and if you run out of work you should take the last work in increment the timestamp to keep the gpu busy.
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  14 2011-06-16 00:03:17 <roconnor> is there a bug tracker for bitcoin?
  15 2011-06-16 00:03:29 <ius> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues
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  19 2011-06-16 00:03:52 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: you can say all sorts of dumb shit like "make getwork and sendwork async" but that just produces stales stupidly
  20 2011-06-16 00:03:52 <Diablo-D3> and you cant say "well just let it block" because then people bitch my client "produces low mhash"
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  27 2011-06-16 00:04:03 <Diablo-D3> woah lag
  28 2011-06-16 00:04:13 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: "timeout and retry" == block forever
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  35 2011-06-16 00:04:43 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: the network only solvs a block once per 6 minutes or so. At any given point if you increment the timer and run a bit late your are unlikely to be stale.
  36 2011-06-16 00:04:51 <forests> Diablo-D3: you can't have a networking thread?
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  40 2011-06-16 00:05:22 <Diablo-D3> forests: not in that sense. LP is obviously async
  41 2011-06-16 00:05:38 <gmaxwell> and not shit, timeout in retry in a seperate thread. and maintain a freeking workqueue. You're blocking on IO? wtf.
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  43 2011-06-16 00:05:54 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: workqueues are NOT a solution
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  46 2011-06-16 00:05:59 <Diablo-D3> I dont know why the hell people keep thinking it is
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  48 2011-06-16 00:06:05 <Diablo-D3> workqueue == stale work.
  49 2011-06-16 00:06:06 <Diablo-D3> period.
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  51 2011-06-16 00:06:35 <roconnor> ius: I have to create a github account to post issues, right?
  52 2011-06-16 00:06:46 <Diablo-D3> roconnor: yes.
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  54 2011-06-16 00:07:26 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: and I cant increment the time, the pool most likely already sent that time out to someone else
  55 2011-06-16 00:07:26 <ius> roconnor: mm guess it tells you?
  56 2011-06-16 00:07:40 <ius> roconnor: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/new
  57 2011-06-16 00:07:41 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: then the pool is stupid.
  58 2011-06-16 00:07:42 <ius> See if that works
  59 2011-06-16 00:07:48 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: yes, the pool IS stupid
  60 2011-06-16 00:07:52 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: Im glad you agree.
  61 2011-06-16 00:07:54 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: I know for eligius you can increment up to 15 seconds with no dupe risk.
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  63 2011-06-16 00:07:59 <ius> Most pools are stupid, isn't it?
  64 2011-06-16 00:08:14 <Diablo-D3> ius: theres only one public pool software, and its pushpoold
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  66 2011-06-16 00:08:25 <ius> Yeah, that's why
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  69 2011-06-16 00:08:40 <gmaxwell> the getwork duplicate stuff is a bitcoind thing not pushpool.
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  72 2011-06-16 00:08:58 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: the only way I know if I can increment time is if the pool sends me the header that I can (which I dont support yet)
  73 2011-06-16 00:09:00 <gmaxwell> in any case, luke told me that some mines already increment the time, so you wouldn't be alone.
  74 2011-06-16 00:09:15 <ius> Hmm. luke-jr increased the IncrementExtraNonce() timeout to +15
  75 2011-06-16 00:09:28 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: if you're going to be idle anyways then it can't hurt.
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  77 2011-06-16 00:09:43 <gmaxwell> Which was my point. Being idle is never good. Better to submit possibly stale work.
  78 2011-06-16 00:09:44 <ius> Or did he do anything else? I mean, the nonce stills wraps every n sec due to the < 0x7f check?
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  80 2011-06-16 00:09:59 <gmaxwell> ius: let me introduce you to the power of &
  81 2011-06-16 00:10:07 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: yeah, but then you have faggots bitching that diablominer submits stale work
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  83 2011-06-16 00:10:25 <ius> Let me reread the code, only casually glanced at it
  84 2011-06-16 00:10:55 <forests> so why not implement an LP ping function that makes sure the LP connection is still alive every so often
  85 2011-06-16 00:10:56 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: then you tell them that it only submits stale work when it couldn't do anything better. And that they should be happy that it at least tried.
  86 2011-06-16 00:11:08 <ius> Ah right, it's and'ed.
  87 2011-06-16 00:11:08 <Diablo-D3> forests: I think you misunderstood what LP is
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  89 2011-06-16 00:11:11 <luke-jr> ius: my extranonce only wraps when prevblock changes
  90 2011-06-16 00:11:15 <gmaxwell> forests: if the socket is actually closed you'll know that its closed.
  91 2011-06-16 00:11:39 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: except Im just going to start banning people on the forum who bitch
  92 2011-06-16 00:11:46 <forests> diablo-d3: ah, just reading up on it right now on btcmine.com
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  94 2011-06-16 00:11:56 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: yea, I can see it was wise to make you a moderator of the cesspool.
  95 2011-06-16 00:12:00 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: or just refuse to run on known pushpoold servers
  96 2011-06-16 00:12:14 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: btcguild is pushpoold no?
  97 2011-06-16 00:12:15 <Diablo-D3> ERROR: luke-jr sucks dongs
  98 2011-06-16 00:12:18 <ius> luke-jr: Did you completely strip the timeout then?
  99 2011-06-16 00:12:22 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: it is?
 100 2011-06-16 00:12:23 <luke-jr> ius: yes
 101 2011-06-16 00:12:28 <Diablo-D3> then why dont btcguild people bitch?
 102 2011-06-16 00:12:36 <forests> gmaxwelll: I suppose I don't understand issue then, I thought it was about diablo miner not knowing when it was disconnected
 103 2011-06-16 00:12:37 <ius> Right. Well sounds reasonable
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 106 2011-06-16 00:13:01 <Diablo-D3> forests: no, its that LP disconnects instead of returning with server response, because the server disconnected
 107 2011-06-16 00:13:06 <gmaxwell> forests: now you see why my response was "wtf just fix it"
 108 2011-06-16 00:13:10 <Diablo-D3> forests: LP returns the contents of a getwork
 109 2011-06-16 00:13:25 <Diablo-D3> and that only fixes ONE thing
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 112 2011-06-16 00:13:44 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt fix getworks and sendworks stalling
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 114 2011-06-16 00:14:17 <grand_grunt> I am trying to compile jgarzik-pushpool under Debian and got some weird errors related to sqlite3, need some help: http://pastebin.com/b45FC9m4
 115 2011-06-16 00:14:22 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: how about this: you fix that shit, and make it able to continue to work and never idle. But also report getworks and sendworks stalling so that the users know the pool is screwing up.
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 117 2011-06-16 00:14:36 <ius> luke-jr: I can see how roll-ntime works out for you then - I didn't want to touch the extraNonce. Perhaps I should push bitcoins.lc to do the same and turn roll-ntime back on then.
 118 2011-06-16 00:14:41 <grand_grunt> I have installed sqlite3 and libsqlite3-dev, but it still complains
 119 2011-06-16 00:14:44 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: but users just switch to pheonix and say "phoenix never does it"
 120 2011-06-16 00:14:53 <Diablo-D3> which pheonix DOES do it, it just doesnt report it
 121 2011-06-16 00:14:56 <luke-jr> ius: no, you should push bitcoins.lc to just join eligius :D
 122 2011-06-16 00:15:07 <ius> luke-jr: hah
 123 2011-06-16 00:15:33 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: if you have better information on pool/network health the users will reconize that.
 124 2011-06-16 00:15:41 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: no they wont
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 126 2011-06-16 00:15:44 <ius> grand_grunt: Guess your config.log wouldn't hurt. Looks pretty broken.
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 128 2011-06-16 00:15:54 <Diablo-D3> users are blind illiterate fuckers.
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 131 2011-06-16 00:16:15 <iz> Diablo-D3: make the default action to show nothing, but make it so you can see everything if you do like --debug
 132 2011-06-16 00:16:30 <Diablo-D3> iz: I think better yet
 133 2011-06-16 00:16:32 <iz> nothing but Mh/s
 134 2011-06-16 00:16:35 <Diablo-D3> Im just going to strip out all the outputs
 135 2011-06-16 00:16:38 <Diablo-D3> including the hash meter
 136 2011-06-16 00:16:43 <Diablo-D3> iz: and btw, thats what it USED to do
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 138 2011-06-16 00:16:45 <Diablo-D3> but eveyrones like
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 140 2011-06-16 00:16:48 <Diablo-D3> NEED MORE STATS
 141 2011-06-16 00:16:50 <gmaxwell> iz: the point is that the pool reports stales, so if his miner works harder not to be idle then he will catch shit for it when it produces more stales.
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 143 2011-06-16 00:17:11 <ius> So, add a nice startup banner?
 144 2011-06-16 00:17:19 <iz> ah yeah.. but a lot of times the stales are the fault of the connection to the pool
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 146 2011-06-16 00:17:42 <Diablo-D3> iz: not quite
 147 2011-06-16 00:17:45 <Diablo-D3> people blame clients
 148 2011-06-16 00:17:50 <Diablo-D3> because people are retarded
 149 2011-06-16 00:18:00 <Diablo-D3> and somehow its my fault God didn't give these morons common sense
 150 2011-06-16 00:18:12 <yoake> Hi Diablo-D3, can I ask you a question about your miner?
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 153 2011-06-16 00:18:17 <iz> Diablo-D3: maybe also show the time difference between what the pool says and the time the client gets the message?
 154 2011-06-16 00:18:26 <iz> to show the connection latency and also any clock differences
 155 2011-06-16 00:18:31 <Diablo-D3> iz: thats impossible.
 156 2011-06-16 00:18:40 <Diablo-D3> internets don't reliably work that way
 157 2011-06-16 00:18:45 <Diablo-D3> yoake: what
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 160 2011-06-16 00:19:09 <grand_grunt> ius: http://grunt.fdn.fr/tmp/config.log <= here it is
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 163 2011-06-16 00:19:45 <iz> Diablo-D3: isn't the timestamp of when the pool is pushing out work part of the hash header?  and you know the time on the client side when you get that message, right?
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 165 2011-06-16 00:20:01 <Diablo-D3> iz: nope, its not
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 167 2011-06-16 00:20:10 <iz> oh, it's all mixed together already
 168 2011-06-16 00:20:12 <iz> right
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 170 2011-06-16 00:20:25 <Diablo-D3> no, it hands out the full 80byte header BUT
 171 2011-06-16 00:20:48 <Diablo-D3> neither clients nor pools are required to run ntp
 172 2011-06-16 00:21:01 <Diablo-D3> so all you're doing is comparing two random values
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 175 2011-06-16 00:21:41 <ius> grand_grunt: ./configure: line 1604: g++: command not found
 176 2011-06-16 00:21:44 <ius> ;)
 177 2011-06-16 00:21:50 <Diablo-D3> ius: fail.
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 179 2011-06-16 00:22:28 <Diablo-D3> someone tell yoake the url for the json rpc spec
 180 2011-06-16 00:23:02 <iz> Diablo-D3: the getwork poll DOES have a HTTP timestamp
 181 2011-06-16 00:23:13 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
 182 2011-06-16 00:23:14 <grand_grunt> ius: I've seen that and installed it: doesn't work better
 183 2011-06-16 00:23:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 131150 | Current Difficulty: 877226.66666667 | Next Difficulty At Block: 133055 | Next Difficulty In: 1905 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 2 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1542866.99646801
 184 2011-06-16 00:23:21 <gmaxwell> iz: the pools time is network time anyways.
 185 2011-06-16 00:23:34 <ius> Diablo-D3: I wonder who/what though. Why does configure call g++ at all? (pushpool is all C)
 186 2011-06-16 00:23:37 <Diablo-D3> iz: [08:20:25] <Diablo-D3> neither clients nor pools are required to run ntp
 187 2011-06-16 00:23:43 <grand_grunt> Mh, I get it. there is a "$PYTHON" in configure that, at at this point of running, is not set
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 192 2011-06-16 00:23:54 <gmaxwell> iz: and its twiddled to meet the bitcoin protocol requirments.
 193 2011-06-16 00:23:56 <Diablo-D3> ius: idiotic autoconf usage
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 195 2011-06-16 00:24:10 <gmaxwell> iz: e.g. it won't ever produce a timestamp the network wouldn't accept.
 196 2011-06-16 00:24:16 <iz> Diablo-D3: you can compare the timestamp in the LP to the timestamp in the blockheader (which both come from the SAME clock, the pool's)
 197 2011-06-16 00:24:33 <ius> grand_grunt: That would be odd. What if you just call g++ from shell?
 198 2011-06-16 00:24:42 <ius> autoconf is black magic to me anyway :x
 199 2011-06-16 00:24:51 <Diablo-D3> iz: someday you will understand what I said.
 200 2011-06-16 00:25:23 <grand_grunt> ius: "no input file", it works. Want to see the new config.log?
 201 2011-06-16 00:25:28 <iz> Diablo-D3: i thought i did.. i'm not talking about comparing client time to server time.. i'm talking about comparing server time at A with server time at B
 202 2011-06-16 00:25:44 <Diablo-D3> thats ALSO useless
 203 2011-06-16 00:25:46 <Diablo-D3> no ntp.
 204 2011-06-16 00:25:47 <iz> using information the server sends to the client already
 205 2011-06-16 00:25:51 <gmaxwell> ...
 206 2011-06-16 00:25:54 <ius> grand_grunt: Could try
 207 2011-06-16 00:26:04 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: you're on drugs. What does NTP have to do with it?
 208 2011-06-16 00:26:10 <Diablo-D3> what, you think a clock on the same machine is consistent?
 209 2011-06-16 00:26:13 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: you're comparing the servertime to ITSELF.
 210 2011-06-16 00:26:24 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: yes. to 1 second resolution it sure as hell is.
 211 2011-06-16 00:26:24 <Diablo-D3> silly users
 212 2011-06-16 00:26:40 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: I had a box once that drifted an hour a day
 213 2011-06-16 00:26:44 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: moreover, the time isn't just a random number.
 214 2011-06-16 00:26:54 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: if the time is too far off the network rejets the block.
 215 2011-06-16 00:26:59 <iz> well.. if anyone want to implement a pool connection latency display.. that's one easy way to do it..
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 219 2011-06-16 00:27:06 <grand_grunt> ius: just refresh it.. but now I see errors about g++ too, yeah
 220 2011-06-16 00:27:12 <gmaxwell> It's clamped by 70 minutes to the future and the median of the last 11 blocks in the past.
 221 2011-06-16 00:27:55 <grand_grunt> ius: http://grunt.fdn.fr/tmp/config.log is the new one (with g++ installed)
 222 2011-06-16 00:29:03 <Diablo-D3> oh THIS is fun
 223 2011-06-16 00:29:08 <Diablo-D3> I forgot LP connections have timeout turned off
 224 2011-06-16 00:29:13 <Diablo-D3> bwahhahahaha pushpool is shit
 225 2011-06-16 00:29:34 <gmaxwell> wait. you are failing to timeout a connection— and pushpool is shit?
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 227 2011-06-16 00:29:45 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: this is for LP
 228 2011-06-16 00:29:53 <Diablo-D3> pushpool just blindly disconnects it
 229 2011-06-16 00:29:54 <Diablo-D3> lolololol
 230 2011-06-16 00:30:08 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: a disconnect is not the same thing as a timeout.
 231 2011-06-16 00:30:25 * gmaxwell send Diablo-D3 a FIN
 232 2011-06-16 00:30:45 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: >15 second timeout
 233 2011-06-16 00:30:48 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: >LP doesnt use it
 234 2011-06-16 00:30:48 <iz> haha.. don't send anything back and just let him hang :b
 235 2011-06-16 00:30:52 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: so whats the issue?
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 247 2011-06-16 00:37:17 <grand_grunt> Ok, now it seems I have troubles with libcurl
 248 2011-06-16 00:38:13 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: and btw, the only thing I see you bitching about is what I bitched about in the beginning
 249 2011-06-16 00:38:18 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: longpoll is a broken concept
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 254 2011-06-16 00:40:43 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: now that I mostly agree with.
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 260 2011-06-16 00:42:52 <grand_grunt> I'm stuck with a bug at a line using "LIBCURL_CHECK_CONFIG" :(
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 263 2011-06-16 00:43:46 <doublec> I also agree with that
 264 2011-06-16 00:43:58 <doublec> what's a better solution to longpoll?
 265 2011-06-16 00:44:10 <xbmc_fan> Hi, I receive a strange Assert failed exception with the latest bitcoin.exe. Is this a known issue?
 266 2011-06-16 00:44:35 <xbmc_fan> http://lh3.ggpht.com/-KRxHtJjSRWY/TflRVogrZDI/AAAAAAAAA68/Zx7UuNeLq7o/Cropper_8ceffb5e-4417-4298-acd6-0d50fa75e1aa.jpg <-- a screenshot for the Assert failed in main.cpp line: 1111
 267 2011-06-16 00:45:30 <jgarzik> grand_grunt: use tarball, not git
 268 2011-06-16 00:45:38 <jgarzik> doublec: push
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 272 2011-06-16 00:46:09 <jgarzik> doublec: hence the name "pushpool"
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 282 2011-06-16 00:47:24 <jgarzik> doublec: of course... not a single miner implements it...
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 285 2011-06-16 00:48:04 <doublec> hehe
 286 2011-06-16 00:48:16 <doublec> jgarzik: is it documented?
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 289 2011-06-16 00:48:29 <jgarzik> doublec: yes, 'binary data protocol' thread
 290 2011-06-16 00:48:30 <doublec> jgarzik: (so I can implement it on my pool)
 291 2011-06-16 00:48:36 <doublec> jgarzik: ok, thanks
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 300 2011-06-16 00:49:41 <xbmc_fan> Can I somehow provide more information about the Assert Failed error?
 301 2011-06-16 00:49:57 Xunie has joined
 302 2011-06-16 00:50:06 <xbmc_fan> e.g. can I enable logging?
 303 2011-06-16 00:50:18 <grand_grunt> jgarzik: I used "https://github.com/jgarzik/pushpool/zipball/v0.5", you suggest me to download .tar.gz instead? Thanks
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 308 2011-06-16 00:51:36 <rgm3> Why is the .23 client generating by default?
 309 2011-06-16 00:51:45 <grand_grunt> jgarzik: You may think I'm dumb, but where is the .tgz archive?
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 311 2011-06-16 00:52:44 <grand_grunt> I. I _do_ use the right archive, the trouble is elsewhere.
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 313 2011-06-16 00:54:05 <xbmc_fan> rgm3, good question... and why are there no settings to disable it?
 314 2011-06-16 00:54:25 <rgm3> I imagine there's a command line setting
 315 2011-06-16 00:55:41 <rgm3> I'm fine with it generating by default, that helps the network i think, but there oughta be a tick-box in the GUI preferences to disable generation on startup.  Or perhaps move the "generating" status to a boolean indicator that can be toggled.  typical examples are checkboxes or iphone on/off sliders.
 316 2011-06-16 00:55:45 <xbmc_fan> seems to be -gen=0 commandline switch... but still, strange behaviour
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 318 2011-06-16 00:56:25 <grand_grunt> running Debian, getting that bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg275293.html even if it is patched on my distro (I did checked), now stuck. :(
 319 2011-06-16 00:56:56 <xbmc_fan> since the bitcoin.exe always crashes on me... is there an alternative?
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 321 2011-06-16 00:57:27 <grand_grunt> Thinking about happy Windows users who download "all in one binaries" to use free software, while we spend a night compiling to gain 10 Mb of disc and memory..
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 324 2011-06-16 00:58:24 <xbmc_fan> it seems that the -nolisten command doesn't work either. It still listens for connections.
 325 2011-06-16 00:58:26 <spq> xbmc_fan: it always crashes?
 326 2011-06-16 00:58:48 <spq> do you have transactions in your wallet?
 327 2011-06-16 00:58:53 <spq> or is it a fresh one?
 328 2011-06-16 00:59:04 <grand_grunt> Whoops, I commented it :]
 329 2011-06-16 00:59:06 <xbmc_fan> I have transactions in the wallet
 330 2011-06-16 00:59:28 <rgm3> xbmc_fan: you can use an online wallet like mybitcoin
 331 2011-06-16 00:59:38 <grand_grunt> Hehe: gcc: @LIBCURL@: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
 332 2011-06-16 00:59:39 <ius> rgm3: Please don't recommend that
 333 2011-06-16 00:59:49 <rgm3> ius: I love mybitcoin and recommend it widely.
 334 2011-06-16 01:00:03 <ius> I love security, and prefer to keep things in my own hands
 335 2011-06-16 01:00:10 <ius> Especially private keys
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 337 2011-06-16 01:00:19 <rgm3> except transferring BTC to it takes a long time because they wait for 6 confirmations
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 339 2011-06-16 01:00:30 <grand_grunt> rgm3: All people storing their money on a single service doesn't make big difference with the actual money system..
 340 2011-06-16 01:00:37 <rgm3> ius: your bank has your money.
 341 2011-06-16 01:00:40 <xbmc_fan> ius might be right, but a crashing bitcoin.exe isn't working for me.
 342 2011-06-16 01:00:56 <xbmc_fan> well.. "crashing" it throws an assert failed exception
 343 2011-06-16 01:01:07 <grand_grunt> bitcoin (as I see it) is some "virtual gold" you can store home and trust, more than a bank account.
 344 2011-06-16 01:01:28 <ius> rgm3: Correct. If it would be as convenient for me to secure my own money as it was with bitcoin, I would take care of it myself ;)
 345 2011-06-16 01:01:32 <xbmc_fan> rtm3 good to know that I could use an online wallet
 346 2011-06-16 01:01:50 <xbmc_fan> spq any idea?
 347 2011-06-16 01:02:24 <spq> first backup your wallet
 348 2011-06-16 01:02:32 <grand_grunt> xbmc_fan: you can also use another PC as wallet, install a basic OS (Windows or Linux) and use it only for bitcoins. This is safe, some kind of "mybitcoin" at home
 349 2011-06-16 01:02:49 <ius> Plus my bank is backed and not just another website operated by.. who knows
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 351 2011-06-16 01:03:15 <xbmc_fan> spq I backed up the wallet.dat
 352 2011-06-16 01:03:20 <ericmock> might be a good use of an old smartphone:  wallet
 353 2011-06-16 01:03:31 <xbmc_fan> do I need the other files / folders?
 354 2011-06-16 01:03:44 <spq> yes
 355 2011-06-16 01:03:53 <spq> best backup the whole files related to bitcoin
 356 2011-06-16 01:04:13 <ius> xbmc_fan: Sorry if I missed it, did you try redownloading the block chain?
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 358 2011-06-16 01:04:52 <spq> (not necessarily for having your bitcoin wallet secured but for making sure the bug keeps reproducible
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 362 2011-06-16 01:06:28 <xbmc_fan> spq I tried to use the commandline -rescan but it crashes a few seconds after it is started
 363 2011-06-16 01:07:30 <phantomcircuit> xbmc_fan, win7?
 364 2011-06-16 01:07:33 <ius> Probably the chain is corrupt. At least, looks like it's walking through the chain. Do as spq said, back it all up and clear it out.
 365 2011-06-16 01:07:34 <xbmc_fan> it seems to throw the assert exceptioin when the first things are calculated  or are comming in
 366 2011-06-16 01:08:00 <xbmc_fan> what does "clear it out" mean?
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 368 2011-06-16 01:08:13 <phantomcircuit> xbmc_fan, he means delete the block chain
 369 2011-06-16 01:08:29 <phantomcircuit> xbmc_fan, find debug.log and pastebin the last bunch of lines
 370 2011-06-16 01:09:13 <ius> jgarzik: Did you see my pull req? stderr output is broken in pushpoold 0.5
 371 2011-06-16 01:09:38 <xbmc_fan> phantomcircuit: http://pastebin.com/0Fq6Z5L7
 372 2011-06-16 01:10:30 <xbmc_fan> delete the block chain == delete blk0001.dat ?
 373 2011-06-16 01:11:27 <AlonzoTG> om
 374 2011-06-16 01:11:40 * AlonzoTG needs to build bitcoin, 
 375 2011-06-16 01:11:48 <grand_grunt> Can someone explain me a bit about this error? http://pastebin.com/QYhNczHA I don't get the "@foobar@" stuff
 376 2011-06-16 01:11:58 <AlonzoTG> but is having trouble 'cuz bitcoin doesn't have a configuration detection utility. =\
 377 2011-06-16 01:14:08 <xbmc_fan> phuzion:  yes, win7 btw.
 378 2011-06-16 01:14:19 <ius> grand_grunt: Perhaps commented out too much?
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 380 2011-06-16 01:14:33 <Xenland> whats up chat
 381 2011-06-16 01:14:38 <grand_grunt> ius: just commented out one line into the detection in configure script
 382 2011-06-16 01:14:42 <Xenland> is there a "sudo apt-get install" command for libGLU ?
 383 2011-06-16 01:15:11 <grand_grunt> ius: I commented this:<  #LIBCURL_CHECK_CONFIG(, 7.10.1, ,  AC_MSG_ERROR([Missing required libcurl >= 7.10.1])) >
 384 2011-06-16 01:15:28 <AlonzoTG> In file included from util.cpp:4:0:
 385 2011-06-16 01:15:28 <ius> Yeah
 386 2011-06-16 01:15:28 <AlonzoTG> headers.h:43:20: fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file or directory
 387 2011-06-16 01:15:37 <Xenland> if there isn't a imple command to install libGLU can someone point me a place to install it
 388 2011-06-16 01:16:00 <grand_grunt> I did installed libcurl on my Linux and I'm sure that it is installed and I've double checked if it is installed, so.. fuck off detection.
 389 2011-06-16 01:16:05 <ius> AlonzoTG: bdb devel package?
 390 2011-06-16 01:16:21 <ius> grand_grunt: Myeah but it wants to call curl-config
 391 2011-06-16 01:16:24 <grand_grunt> And now, libcurl is unseen at compilation. >_<
 392 2011-06-16 01:16:26 <AlonzoTG> Gentoo; A distro that provably has everything it needs to develop itself.
 393 2011-06-16 01:17:11 <AlonzoTG> ys-libs/db
 394 2011-06-16 01:17:11 <AlonzoTG>       Latest version available: 4.8.30
 395 2011-06-16 01:17:39 <iera> AlonzoTG: use the gentoo ebuild, #bitcoin-gentoo
 396 2011-06-16 01:17:51 <phantomcircuit> xbmc_fan, and that exact error you get is..?
 397 2011-06-16 01:17:54 <AlonzoTG> -r--r--r-- 1 root root  44005 Jun 13 15:23 db_cxx.h
 398 2011-06-16 01:17:56 <grand_grunt> ius: curl-config is provided by libcurl4-openssl-dev on Debian, I do have libcurl4-openssl-dev and the binary "/usr/bin/curl-config"
 399 2011-06-16 01:18:05 <xbmc_fan> http://lh3.ggpht.com/-KRxHtJjSRWY/TflRVogrZDI/AAAAAAAAA68/Zx7UuNeLq7o/Cropper_8ceffb5e-4417-4298-acd6-0d50fa75e1aa.jpg <-- a screenshot for the Assert failed in main.cpp line: 1111
 400 2011-06-16 01:18:35 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, do not build against 4.8, your wallet will not be compatible with the binaries from bitcoin.org (4.8 automatically upgrades 4.7 files)
 401 2011-06-16 01:18:36 <grand_grunt> xbmc_fan: lol, your URL is longuer than the text in the box :]
 402 2011-06-16 01:18:36 <ius> grand_grunt: Yeah, but you've commented out autoconf stuff (sorry, really not familiar with autotools at all)
 403 2011-06-16 01:19:04 <xbmc_fan> grand_grunt: wasn't sure if snipped urls are welcome in IRC....
 404 2011-06-16 01:19:09 <grand_grunt> ius: looking at this commented stuff I read it as "check something, if wrong, give error message"
 405 2011-06-16 01:19:12 <ericmock> just because db_cxx.h exists doesn't mean the compiler is finding it...
 406 2011-06-16 01:19:36 <AlonzoTG> yeah, I know, the compiler needs a -I command to find all those...
 407 2011-06-16 01:19:51 <ericmock> -L
 408 2011-06-16 01:19:57 <ericmock> eh, -I
 409 2011-06-16 01:20:00 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, CPATH="/usr/include/db4.7" make -f makefile.unix -j4
 410 2011-06-16 01:20:06 <grand_grunt> ius: will uncomment it and try to fix it
 411 2011-06-16 01:20:17 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, also make sure to change -l db in makefile.unix to -l db-4.7
 412 2011-06-16 01:20:36 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, sudo emerge db:4.7 fyi
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 414 2011-06-16 01:20:46 <grand_grunt> The more I compile stuff and discover the dev world, the more I prefer system and network admin :)
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 416 2011-06-16 01:21:10 <xbmc_fan> phantomcircuit, spq: should I delete blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat or how do I "redownload the block chain"?
 417 2011-06-16 01:21:47 <phantomcircuit> xbmc_fan, shutdown bitcoin, wait a little bit, delete everything except wallet.dat, restart bitcoin, wait approximately 6 hours
 418 2011-06-16 01:22:04 <xbmc_fan> great :)
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 420 2011-06-16 01:22:19 <AlonzoTG> ETF
 421 2011-06-16 01:22:25 <AlonzoTG> NHE
 422 2011-06-16 01:22:32 <AlonzoTG> DED
 423 2011-06-16 01:22:55 <grand_grunt> ius: and got this again. http://pastebin.com/TMYJVQnf I've seen this already while googling with answers from jg4rzik, but none of these answers apply to my case.
 424 2011-06-16 01:23:18 <xbmc_fan> one could argue about "scaling" of bitcoins ;-) "wait 6h" hehe
 425 2011-06-16 01:23:22 <xbmc_fan> thanks phantomcircuit
 426 2011-06-16 01:23:23 <grand_grunt> This is due to a bug in libcurl (a missing double quote) but my libcurl is patched
 427 2011-06-16 01:23:38 <ericmock> "wait a little bit"?  like make sure all the capacitors are discharged?
 428 2011-06-16 01:24:09 * AlonzoTG wonders what would happen if you computed the transpose of the matrix of letters I just wrote.
 429 2011-06-16 01:24:13 <phantomcircuit> ericmock, like after the gui disappears the db isn't released for 5 seconds, why is this? i have no fucking clue
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 432 2011-06-16 01:25:41 <ericmock> AlonzoTG: transpose?  trying inverting it
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 434 2011-06-16 01:26:55 <ius> grand_grunt: I wouldn't know..
 435 2011-06-16 01:27:03 <ericmock> that would be much more clever...
 436 2011-06-16 01:27:07 <ius> AlonzoTG: You installed Gentoo yourself I suppose ;)
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 438 2011-06-16 01:27:19 <grand_grunt> I re-launch autogen with some hope
 439 2011-06-16 01:27:26 <AlonzoTG> yeah,
 440 2011-06-16 01:27:31 <grand_grunt> "./autogen --hope --pray" it is
 441 2011-06-16 01:27:57 <phantomcircuit> you know what would be cool
 442 2011-06-16 01:28:02 <grand_grunt> Got it :)
 443 2011-06-16 01:28:02 <phantomcircuit> if that was a real cli
 444 2011-06-16 01:28:06 <xbmc_fan> thanks phantomcircuit, spq. I'll try those 6h tomorrow...
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 449 2011-06-16 01:29:23 <grand_grunt> ius: jgarzik : the trouble was due to that: I launched autogen, complained a while, installed what it needed so that I doesn't complain. the launched ./configure, complained, installed more stuff, still complaining. add to re-launch autogen the configure to get all the stuff work. thanks for your help :)
 450 2011-06-16 01:29:48 <grand_grunt> autogen, then configure*
 451 2011-06-16 01:30:09 <grand_grunt> s/add/had/
 452 2011-06-16 01:30:30 <ius> :)
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 455 2011-06-16 01:31:02 <Xenland> speaking of installing pushpool. Assuming that there is no ./configure how do i start autogen? i always get aclocal error
 456 2011-06-16 01:31:43 <grand_grunt> Xenland: install aclocal, then?
 457 2011-06-16 01:31:50 <Xenland> sudo apt-get install can't find it
 458 2011-06-16 01:32:06 <grand_grunt> aptitude search aclocal, may have different name
 459 2011-06-16 01:32:31 <Xenland> no such thing as aptitude
 460 2011-06-16 01:32:38 <Xenland> is what it tells me
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 462 2011-06-16 01:32:53 <grand_grunt> Hu, no. It is "automake" that you have to install
 463 2011-06-16 01:33:09 <Xenland> ahhh
 464 2011-06-16 01:33:11 <Xenland> i'll try that
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 467 2011-06-16 01:34:15 <Xenland> cool that looks like its working
 468 2011-06-16 01:34:32 <denisx> jgarzik: to support difficulty-2 I need to set rpc.target.rewrite to false?
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 473 2011-06-16 01:37:49 <AlonzoTG> the gentoo build instructions don't work. =\
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 476 2011-06-16 01:39:11 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, what is breaking?
 477 2011-06-16 01:39:35 <AlonzoTG> they layer doesn't seem to be working.
 478 2011-06-16 01:39:43 <AlonzoTG> Overlay "bitcoin" could not be found in the remote lists.
 479 2011-06-16 01:39:43 <AlonzoTG> * Please check if it has been renamed and re-add if necessary.
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 483 2011-06-16 01:48:40 <Zyrkon> withouth having to read the sourcecode, is there a good technical guide to explain bitcoin?
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 486 2011-06-16 01:49:27 <Zyrkon> i mean something like the root hashes, the complexity, what pool mining is and of what parts a bitcoin hash consists of
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 488 2011-06-16 01:50:23 <ByteCoin> Zyrkon. Read the pdf and then the forum
 489 2011-06-16 01:50:38 <Zyrkon> of course
 490 2011-06-16 01:50:40 <Zyrkon> what pdf?
 491 2011-06-16 01:50:53 <ByteCoin> wait a sec
 492 2011-06-16 01:51:10 <upb> its probably the first ht on google for bitcoin pdf
 493 2011-06-16 01:51:25 <upb> yep
 494 2011-06-16 01:51:44 <ByteCoin> so it is
 495 2011-06-16 01:52:06 <ByteCoin> the source code is not that hard to read either.
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 497 2011-06-16 01:52:26 <ByteCoin> It'll tell you what you want to know most reliably.
 498 2011-06-16 01:53:09 <Zyrkon> found it, thank you
 499 2011-06-16 01:53:10 <forrestv> Zyrkon, read the wiki
 500 2011-06-16 01:53:14 <forrestv> it's good
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 507 2011-06-16 01:57:41 <jgarzik> denisx: rewrite=false gives you full network difficulty
 508 2011-06-16 01:58:10 <Xenland> Whats up chat, why is it when i try to install the new pushpool, i get this error upon trying to run pushpoold
 509 2011-06-16 01:58:18 <Xenland> ./pushpoold: error while loading shared libraries: libmemcached.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 510 2011-06-16 01:58:51 <Xenland> libmemcached installed fine im pretty sure
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 512 2011-06-16 02:00:40 <BCBot>  Stats: http://bit.ly/bitcoin-irc-stats
 513 2011-06-16 02:00:45 <Xenland> reinstalling libmemecached just in case
 514 2011-06-16 02:01:11 <upb> ldd -r it
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 516 2011-06-16 02:02:05 <AlonzoTG> I hate GIT.
 517 2011-06-16 02:02:07 <AlonzoTG> =|
 518 2011-06-16 02:02:17 <AlonzoTG> Git blows donkies while licking goat balls.
 519 2011-06-16 02:02:34 <jrmithdobbs> oh youngsters
 520 2011-06-16 02:02:49 <jrmithdobbs> you never have to restore a corrupted cvs repo
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 522 2011-06-16 02:02:52 <jrmithdobbs> git is awesome ;P
 523 2011-06-16 02:03:07 <jrmithdobbs> s/restore/recover/
 524 2011-06-16 02:03:23 <AlonzoTG> CSV sucks pretty bad too,
 525 2011-06-16 02:03:26 <jrmithdobbs> s/have/had/
 526 2011-06-16 02:03:27 <AlonzoTG> but SVN is the cat's meow.
 527 2011-06-16 02:03:29 <AlonzoTG> =P
 528 2011-06-16 02:03:36 <AlonzoTG> I can use SVN in my sleep.
 529 2011-06-16 02:03:47 <jrmithdobbs> you've never had to recover a borked svn repo either then
 530 2011-06-16 02:03:50 <AlonzoTG> but whenever I need to use GIt, the first thing I have to do is track down the MANUAL. =(
 531 2011-06-16 02:04:02 <jrmithdobbs> or had a repo with 100k+ revisions shit itself on you just because
 532 2011-06-16 02:04:04 <jrmithdobbs> fuck svn
 533 2011-06-16 02:04:28 <grand_grunt> pushpoold --foreground --debug=2 --stderr -c config.json dies immediatly without saying anything :(
 534 2011-06-16 02:04:31 <Xenland> I actually like git, its better then repackaging everything in a tar.gz file everytime, and then sending emails/updates to everyone
 535 2011-06-16 02:04:41 <jrmithdobbs> i especially loved the bug in 1.4 that would randomly corrupt the commit history with certain timing on adding certain binary files
 536 2011-06-16 02:04:44 <AlonzoTG> So what, just rebuild it after every 90k revisions, no problem.
 537 2011-06-16 02:04:49 <jrmithdobbs> s/commit/revision/
 538 2011-06-16 02:05:16 <jrmithdobbs> and would appear to continue making backups
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 540 2011-06-16 02:05:24 <jrmithdobbs> but actually wouldn't backup past the corrupted revision
 541 2011-06-16 02:05:26 <AlonzoTG> The last, and only time I managed to do this right, it took like twenty commands to get the source from git. =\
 542 2011-06-16 02:05:29 <jrmithdobbs> that never told you it was corrupted
 543 2011-06-16 02:05:35 <grand_grunt> strace <3
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 545 2011-06-16 02:06:19 <iz> grand_grunt: was it a typo in your config.json?
 546 2011-06-16 02:06:34 <AlonzoTG> Given a choice between a piece of software I can USE versus a piece of software that I can't operate at all, I *ALWAYS* choose the piece of software I can use, ignoring all other flaws.
 547 2011-06-16 02:06:54 <grand_grunt> iz: Seems it is a missing lib
 548 2011-06-16 02:07:02 <jrmithdobbs> git is easier to use than svn if you ever actually have to merge anything, no idea what you're talking about
 549 2011-06-16 02:07:07 <iz> ah
 550 2011-06-16 02:07:08 <jrmithdobbs> and actually has recovery tools that work
 551 2011-06-16 02:07:17 <grand_grunt> iz: access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
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 553 2011-06-16 02:07:42 <AlonzoTG> SVN has never prevented me from doing anything I actually needed to do.
 554 2011-06-16 02:07:47 <AlonzoTG> git is worse than CVS.
 555 2011-06-16 02:07:48 <AlonzoTG> =(
 556 2011-06-16 02:07:52 welterde has joined
 557 2011-06-16 02:07:55 <AlonzoTG> But everyone is going gaga over git.
 558 2011-06-16 02:07:56 <AlonzoTG> =(
 559 2011-06-16 02:08:10 <AlonzoTG> Where can I get some of the LSD that everyone else seems to be dropping like mad?
 560 2011-06-16 02:08:24 <jrmithdobbs> you could just read the git book
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 562 2011-06-16 02:08:31 <jrmithdobbs> seriously, oncey ou get used to git svn is trash
 563 2011-06-16 02:08:36 <AlonzoTG> Why? I've already memorized the svn commands?
 564 2011-06-16 02:08:39 <luke-jr> someone should have made bitcoind build with latest boost for 0.3.x
 565 2011-06-16 02:08:40 <luke-jr> oh well
 566 2011-06-16 02:08:49 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: not entirely
 567 2011-06-16 02:08:55 <AlonzoTG> But SVN doesn't require you to get used to it, it just works.
 568 2011-06-16 02:08:57 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: svn is more capable than git in some areas
 569 2011-06-16 02:09:16 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: yes, it is much more capable at corrupting it's revision history and not telling you ;P
 570 2011-06-16 02:09:17 <luke-jr> AlonzoTG: Bazaar works basically the same as Subversion
 571 2011-06-16 02:09:22 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: in what other ways?
 572 2011-06-16 02:09:24 <AlonzoTG> Alright git fanbois, beat this: svn co http://somerepository/
 573 2011-06-16 02:09:26 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: nonsense :p
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 576 2011-06-16 02:09:42 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: for example, Subversion supports proper copying
 577 2011-06-16 02:09:45 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: and cherry-picking
 578 2011-06-16 02:09:54 <AlonzoTG> I wouldn't mind git co http://somurl/
 579 2011-06-16 02:09:58 <luke-jr> AlonzoTG: git clone http://somerepository/
 580 2011-06-16 02:10:20 <AlonzoTG> Cloning into bitcoin...
 581 2011-06-16 02:10:21 <AlonzoTG> error:  while accessing https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git/info/refs
 582 2011-06-16 02:10:21 <AlonzoTG> fatal: HTTP request failed
 583 2011-06-16 02:10:31 <jrmithdobbs> that's not the repo
 584 2011-06-16 02:10:41 <jrmithdobbs> that's the refs file?!
 585 2011-06-16 02:10:48 <jrmithdobbs> git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
 586 2011-06-16 02:10:48 <AlonzoTG> atg@tortoise ~/source $ git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
 587 2011-06-16 02:11:06 <luke-jr> https is fail
 588 2011-06-16 02:11:08 <luke-jr> use git://
 589 2011-06-16 02:11:09 <AlonzoTG> (tortoise is, a 39 BIPS supercomputer)
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 592 2011-06-16 02:11:27 <jrmithdobbs> don't know what to tell you. that works fine for me.
 593 2011-06-16 02:11:32 <grand_grunt> mh no, not a lib trouble
 594 2011-06-16 02:11:45 <jrmithdobbs> you need to upgrade git to a version that supports https probably
 595 2011-06-16 02:11:54 <jrmithdobbs> that's fairly new functionality
 596 2011-06-16 02:11:57 <AlonzoTG> okay, now I have it.
 597 2011-06-16 02:12:08 <grand_grunt> Maybe a typo: http://pastebin.com/zqDYRLkZ
 598 2011-06-16 02:12:10 <AlonzoTG> Next project is to make a modern c-make build script for it.
 599 2011-06-16 02:12:12 <luke-jr> if you want svn-like commands though, just: bzr co git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
 600 2011-06-16 02:12:25 <luke-jr> AlonzoTG: cmake doesn't have a - and is silly
 601 2011-06-16 02:12:34 <jrmithdobbs> cmake is dumb
 602 2011-06-16 02:12:46 <jrmithdobbs> and don't waste your time autotools will be merged soon
 603 2011-06-16 02:12:50 <luke-jr> AlonzoTG: someone already fixed up an autotools for 0.4
 604 2011-06-16 02:13:16 <AlonzoTG> Autotools is a bit worse than medeocre but still acceptable.
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 609 2011-06-16 02:16:47 <grand_grunt> iz: Yes, I may have a typo, cann"t see here. http://pastebin.com/Qfz2hCkH
 610 2011-06-16 02:16:58 <AlonzoTG> Why isn't the modern build tool in git yet?
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 613 2011-06-16 02:18:21 <iz> grand_grunt: ahh.. i helped someone earlier today w/ pushpool that had the same issue.. just exiting w/out any displayed output... so i had him strace it for me, and it was like reading the config file and then exiting
 614 2011-06-16 02:18:37 <denisx> jgarzik: difficulty-2 is setting EASY_TARGET to "....fffe00000000" ?
 615 2011-06-16 02:18:40 <grand_grunt> Same for me :]
 616 2011-06-16 02:18:46 <iz> and i suggested it was a typo somewhere, and he went off for a bit and then was like "hey, it's fixed!, thanks"
 617 2011-06-16 02:18:54 <grand_grunt> iz: Maybe the sqlite stuff is wrong.
 618 2011-06-16 02:18:55 <grand_grunt> Erf
 619 2011-06-16 02:18:58 <jgarzik> denisx: no, it's not that easy
 620 2011-06-16 02:19:11 <jgarzik> denisx: grep for 'better_hash'.  you have to manually fix the hash check.
 621 2011-06-16 02:19:39 <denisx> jgarzik: ok, I will take a look
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 624 2011-06-16 02:20:40 <grand_grunt> iz: I could recompile it with a few "print" in source code, or going to sleep (4 AM here)
 625 2011-06-16 02:21:06 <iz> grand_grunt: something is screwy in that config your pastebinned
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 627 2011-06-16 02:21:25 <iz> grand_grunt: like lines 13-19
 628 2011-06-16 02:21:57 <syke> ;;bc,stats
 629 2011-06-16 02:21:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 131166 | Current Difficulty: 877226.66666667 | Next Difficulty At Block: 133055 | Next Difficulty In: 1889 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 18 hours, 48 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1487919.11008623
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 633 2011-06-16 02:22:56 <iz> grand_grunt: oh wait, maybe not.. uh.. do you actually end your config w/ a '}'?
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 635 2011-06-16 02:23:43 <grand_grunt> My config ends with a '}', i checked (parenthesis do match)
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 637 2011-06-16 02:24:47 <grand_grunt> When I first saw a xml config file I though it was the worst stuff in the world. But people invented json
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 639 2011-06-16 02:25:19 <ius> iz:
 640 2011-06-16 02:25:20 <ius> grand_grunt:
 641 2011-06-16 02:25:20 <iz> grand_grunt: yeah.. hmm.. looks okay then to me too
 642 2011-06-16 02:25:38 <ius> https://github.com/ius/pushpool/commit/85297905ddc150c46664bd9ad77df6f502d64be1
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 644 2011-06-16 02:26:07 <ius> it's a bug in 0.5
 645 2011-06-16 02:26:21 <grand_grunt> Ok, have to patch and re-compile, so
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 648 2011-06-16 02:27:50 <grand_grunt> ius: Ah, better, got a new message :)
 649 2011-06-16 02:28:03 <grand_grunt> "config.json: JSON parse failed" \o/
 650 2011-06-16 02:28:21 <denisx> jgarzik: this checks for diffiulty-1 "hash32[7] != 0", right?
 651 2011-06-16 02:28:22 <iz> ius: oh.. i see.. cool, ty
 652 2011-06-16 02:28:56 <jgarzik> denisx: yes
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 654 2011-06-16 02:29:35 <iz> i should have had him gdb it..
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 656 2011-06-16 02:31:22 <grand_grunt> ports number are written without double quotes in json config file, while all char string and IP adresses use double quotes. Does that matter?
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 659 2011-06-16 02:34:08 <grand_grunt> found it :) it was an useless coma in config file :)
 660 2011-06-16 02:34:13 <grand_grunt> Good tool: http://jsonlint.com/
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 665 2011-06-16 02:40:36 <ericmock> woot!!  step #2 completed in getting a native Cocoa UI on bitcoin
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 667 2011-06-16 02:40:48 <ezl-> nice ericmock
 668 2011-06-16 02:41:12 <ericmock> only 25 more steps to go ;-)
 669 2011-06-16 02:41:17 <ezl-> hehe
 670 2011-06-16 02:41:23 <ezl-> wow that is a very detailed plan you have there
 671 2011-06-16 02:41:44 <jrmithdobbs> yes rand() is hard
 672 2011-06-16 02:41:46 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
 673 2011-06-16 02:41:52 <ericmock> well, step #2 was downloading the source
 674 2011-06-16 02:42:08 <ericmock> actually, no...  got it compiling in Xcode
 675 2011-06-16 02:42:30 <ericmock> step #1 was getting it compiling from makefile
 676 2011-06-16 02:45:23 <ericmock> the UI code doesn't actually look too bad.  basically just glue between the widgets and the main code (with some basic input checking)
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 678 2011-06-16 02:46:01 <jrmithdobbs> better than it once was
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 683 2011-06-16 02:50:18 <grand_grunt> And now... how to mine?
 684 2011-06-16 02:50:52 * ericmock might use this as an opportunity to finally learn to use Interface Builder instead of coding the UI by hand...
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 688 2011-06-16 02:52:41 <grand_grunt> Seriously I cann't get why there are so many bitcoins created with mining tools so rough and unusable
 689 2011-06-16 02:52:57 <grand_grunt> You have to google for hours to make the last stuff work
 690 2011-06-16 02:53:22 <ericmock> because you're using Linux
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 696 2011-06-16 02:56:09 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: dunno what you're talking about. software was the least of the problems i had
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 699 2011-06-16 02:56:55 <jrmithdobbs> was much harder finding something that would cut that goddamned glass+nylon polymer used to make pcie slots efficiently
 700 2011-06-16 02:57:07 <jrmithdobbs> *cut it efficiently
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 702 2011-06-16 02:59:44 <grand_grunt> You kidding me.. I'm now adding miners by hand with sqlite commands.
 703 2011-06-16 03:00:07 <grand_grunt> I've never had to do this before, for any software, and certainly not to manage my bank account
 704 2011-06-16 03:00:18 <gjs278> um
 705 2011-06-16 03:00:23 <grand_grunt> My opinion is that the bitcoin system has been released to soon
 706 2011-06-16 03:00:26 <grand_grunt> too*
 707 2011-06-16 03:00:27 <gjs278> what software are you using that you have to add miners to sqlite?
 708 2011-06-16 03:00:48 <ericmock> grand_grunt: are you trying to set up a pool?
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 710 2011-06-16 03:00:49 <grand_grunt> pushpool
 711 2011-06-16 03:00:49 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: pushpool, which he obviously shouldn't be using if he's having issues
 712 2011-06-16 03:00:54 <grand_grunt> ericmock: Yes :/
 713 2011-06-16 03:00:54 <gjs278> lol
 714 2011-06-16 03:00:57 <gjs278> why are you using pushpool
 715 2011-06-16 03:01:00 <gjs278> for personal use
 716 2011-06-16 03:01:04 <grand_grunt> ericmock: It is a fucking pain all this stuff
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 718 2011-06-16 03:01:17 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: so make it easier and submit patches
 719 2011-06-16 03:01:18 <ericmock> gotta keep the barrier to entry high
 720 2011-06-16 03:01:27 <grand_grunt> gjs278: because I have about 10 or 15 different computers which I handle
 721 2011-06-16 03:01:34 <gjs278> what's your total hhasrate
 722 2011-06-16 03:01:36 <gjs278> hash
 723 2011-06-16 03:01:54 <jrmithdobbs> 10Mhash
 724 2011-06-16 03:01:56 <jrmithdobbs> watch
 725 2011-06-16 03:02:12 <ericmock> ah, he's a university system admin eyeballing all those idle lab computers...
 726 2011-06-16 03:02:28 <gjs278> yeah those core2duos really pull in the numbers
 727 2011-06-16 03:02:37 <ericmock> they got GPUs
 728 2011-06-16 03:02:43 <ericmock> and free electricity
 729 2011-06-16 03:02:46 <grand_grunt> How I see the stuff: 1) People develop bitcoins, 2) They write their own tools to create bitcoins, 3) they say "hey, come in, use bitcoins", 4) tools are not really usable yet, so you have the choice to buy bitcoins or to spend time on buggy software
 730 2011-06-16 03:02:49 <ericmock> to the admin anyway
 731 2011-06-16 03:02:58 <gjs278> well
 732 2011-06-16 03:03:06 <gjs278> the gpus are most likely the motherboard's intel
 733 2011-06-16 03:03:11 <grand_grunt> Or to join a pool that will take some of your bitcoins
 734 2011-06-16 03:03:14 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: you don't need pushpool to mine wit hthe amount of hashing power you're talking about
 735 2011-06-16 03:03:20 <ericmock> not in the labs around me
 736 2011-06-16 03:03:20 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: waah waah waah
 737 2011-06-16 03:03:36 <gjs278> a pool taking your bitcoins at the expense that you will actually get coins
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 739 2011-06-16 03:04:23 <grand_grunt> jrmithdobbs: I need a pool to have 50 bitcoins in.. let's say 6 months, and not 500 bitcoins in ten years.
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 743 2011-06-16 03:04:36 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: nope
 744 2011-06-16 03:05:05 <grand_grunt> I don't have GPU, only good CPU (Intel Xeon), about ten of them
 745 2011-06-16 03:05:06 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: apply rpcasyncio patch, build bitcoind, point miners at bitcoind. done.
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 747 2011-06-16 03:05:25 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: oh in that case you have 0% probability of getting a block ever
 748 2011-06-16 03:05:37 <jrmithdobbs> (ok, closer to 0.000000001%)
 749 2011-06-16 03:06:03 <gjs278> yeah grand_grunt
 750 2011-06-16 03:06:04 <grand_grunt> Did a calculation with simulator, it said I would get a block after 6 or 9 months.
 751 2011-06-16 03:06:17 <gjs278> that's starting today
 752 2011-06-16 03:06:20 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: except that difficulty changes ever 7-14 days
 753 2011-06-16 03:06:21 <grand_grunt> But difficulty is growing up, let's say 10 years
 754 2011-06-16 03:06:23 <gjs278> in 6 - 9 months it will be 60-90 months
 755 2011-06-16 03:06:24 <volante> hi, i'm getting a build error: ui.h:16: error: variable or field ‘UIThreadCall’ declared void
 756 2011-06-16 03:06:26 <grand_grunt> Yes
 757 2011-06-16 03:06:31 <midnightmagic> the simulator has no idea how fast difficulty will or won't grow.
 758 2011-06-16 03:06:49 <gjs278> in all seriousness I wouldn't try and do the 10 xeons together
 759 2011-06-16 03:06:49 <grand_grunt> But if I use 10 of these servers in a pool, I may have my block in less than a year
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 761 2011-06-16 03:06:56 <jrmithdobbs> volante: system/compiler?
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 763 2011-06-16 03:07:05 <gjs278> I've had 4 xeons going since march, I've kept track of what they've done
 764 2011-06-16 03:07:09 <gjs278> none of them have found a block
 765 2011-06-16 03:07:10 <jrmithdobbs> volante: and what version of wx?
 766 2011-06-16 03:07:16 <gjs278> and that was at a way lower difficulty too
 767 2011-06-16 03:07:23 <volante> gcc 4.4.1, ubuntu 9.04
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 769 2011-06-16 03:07:32 <volante> 9.10 sorry
 770 2011-06-16 03:07:51 <volante> wxWidgets 2.9.1
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 773 2011-06-16 03:08:06 <jrmithdobbs> volante: did you modify anything?
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 775 2011-06-16 03:08:18 <ericmock> grand_grunt: you should really just give that up...  better to just buy some and hope the exchange rate skyrockets
 776 2011-06-16 03:08:21 <volante> nope, jsut cloned the github repo about half an hour ago
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 779 2011-06-16 03:08:22 <jrmithdobbs> because afaik it builds fine on that platform
 780 2011-06-16 03:08:29 <volante> trying to build the master branch
 781 2011-06-16 03:08:40 <midnightmagic> actually, with your CPU, you may do better mining for namecoin. namecoin are (or were, earlier) going for more bitcoin per mining effort than btc were..  plus you might have a chance there.
 782 2011-06-16 03:08:46 <gjs278> yes
 783 2011-06-16 03:08:47 <gjs278> do namecoins
 784 2011-06-16 03:08:49 <jrmithdobbs> volante: you sure you have the -dev packages for wx installed?
 785 2011-06-16 03:08:51 <gjs278> exchange them for rela coins
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 788 2011-06-16 03:08:54 <gjs278> real*
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 790 2011-06-16 03:09:17 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: are people seriously buying namecoins?
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 792 2011-06-16 03:09:23 <gjs278> who knows
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 794 2011-06-16 03:09:27 <volante> i just downloaded the wx tgz for their latest development version (2.9.1) and built it according to the instructions in doc/build-unix.txt
 795 2011-06-16 03:09:27 <jrmithdobbs> because lol
 796 2011-06-16 03:09:51 <gjs278> I think I saw an exchange rate of like 250:1
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 799 2011-06-16 03:09:54 <gjs278> but that was a bit ago
 800 2011-06-16 03:10:03 <binarypoop> so bitcoins aren't the best Alt Currency ?
 801 2011-06-16 03:10:09 <gjs278> they are
 802 2011-06-16 03:10:22 <gjs278> they're so good that people mine alternate altnerate currencies just to get them
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 805 2011-06-16 03:10:44 <grand_grunt> serioulsy, sqlite.. plain text would have be too much simple I guess
 806 2011-06-16 03:10:45 <volante> heres the full build error: http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=dv23px
 807 2011-06-16 03:10:51 <binarypoop> Nice. Alternative compoundation.
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 810 2011-06-16 03:11:25 <ericmock> grand_grunt: I really don't know why you're wasting your time on this
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 813 2011-06-16 03:11:50 <gjs278> the sqlite I guess is for logging purposes once they start submitting shares
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 821 2011-06-16 03:13:04 <gjs278> not really something that would play well with plaintext once it started hashing
 822 2011-06-16 03:13:17 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: pushpool isn't designed for what you're doing with it
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 825 2011-06-16 03:13:41 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: actually, last i looked at the default sample config, it only logs to plaintext by default ;P
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 828 2011-06-16 03:13:59 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: but it use sqlite(default)/mysql/postgres for user lookup
 829 2011-06-16 03:14:03 <gjs278> oh okay
 830 2011-06-16 03:14:07 <gjs278> what about share capturing
 831 2011-06-16 03:14:11 <gjs278> does it plaintext that?
 832 2011-06-16 03:14:15 <jrmithdobbs> logs to plaintext by default
 833 2011-06-16 03:14:15 <gjs278> by default I mean
 834 2011-06-16 03:14:20 <gjs278> hmm
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 838 2011-06-16 03:14:49 <gjs278> well I guess he wouldn't exactly have to payout anyone besides himself 60 years from now
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 852 2011-06-16 03:17:49 <volante> anyone got any idea about my build error? :/
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 855 2011-06-16 03:18:18 <volante> im using libboost1.40
 856 2011-06-16 03:18:22 <gjs278> yes
 857 2011-06-16 03:18:24 <gjs278> change your boost version
 858 2011-06-16 03:18:29 <gjs278> to 1.41 or 1.42
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 863 2011-06-16 03:19:33 <volante> ok thanks.  its not packaged for my ubuntu version so i guess ill have to build it manually
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 867 2011-06-16 03:20:03 <volante> the docs said that boost 1.40+ would be ok?
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 878 2011-06-16 03:21:56 <gjs278> volante whenever I get anything about boost I just flip versions and it works
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 881 2011-06-16 03:22:15 <gjs278> fuck you encrypto
 882 2011-06-16 03:22:29 <midnightmagic> yes, people really are buying namecoins, with bitcoins.
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 886 2011-06-16 03:22:59 <midnightmagic> some people see the fact that apple.bit is registered, and there's a strong likelihood that Apple Inc can basically do nothing about it, and they have now driven up individual .bit to around $20USD per.
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 890 2011-06-16 03:23:25 <midnightmagic> it's a bit of a gold fever seizing them over there
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 894 2011-06-16 03:24:02 <gjs278> there's also a strong likelihood that it will never see mainstream use
 895 2011-06-16 03:24:09 <midnightmagic> it doesn't matter.
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 898 2011-06-16 03:24:31 <midnightmagic> the people who use it are the ones who can be confident that it will be cryptographically sound.
 899 2011-06-16 03:24:39 <midnightmagic> and those are the ones upset about the .com seizures.
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 902 2011-06-16 03:24:59 <denisx> will there be a difficulty-3 or do we double all the time?
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 906 2011-06-16 03:25:23 <midnightmagic> and they don't have to worry about that anymore. and then all those people who *want* to see .bit domains, will have simple instructions to do it, so that's on-demand too.
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 910 2011-06-16 03:26:09 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: namecoin solves Zooko's triangle... which e.g. is actually a big problem for onion urls. They have crap names so it's trivially to trick people to go to the wrong sites.
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 913 2011-06-16 03:26:16 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, namecoin is inherently insecure for simple economic reasons
 914 2011-06-16 03:26:26 * midnightmagic shrugs.
 915 2011-06-16 03:26:39 <midnightmagic> the only problem I can see is that you have to spend every 12 weeks to upkeep.
 916 2011-06-16 03:26:41 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: not if it gets bound to the bitcoin blockchain. via the alternative mining proposal.
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 919 2011-06-16 03:26:51 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: forget the technical name resolution problems
 920 2011-06-16 03:26:52 <midnightmagic> so you can't squirrel away your wallet permanently like you can with bitcoin.
 921 2011-06-16 03:26:53 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: pretty small amount though.
 922 2011-06-16 03:27:00 <midnightmagic> yeah exactly.
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 925 2011-06-16 03:27:18 <gjs278> you can't register it ahead of time?
 926 2011-06-16 03:27:23 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, honestly i cant imagine how that's possible, link?
 927 2011-06-16 03:27:24 <gjs278> likay pay for 12 years or something
 928 2011-06-16 03:27:33 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: no it's dumb
 929 2011-06-16 03:27:34 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: 0_o
 930 2011-06-16 03:27:38 <gjs278> lol
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 935 2011-06-16 03:27:48 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: http://forum.bitcoin.org/?topic=7219.0
 936 2011-06-16 03:27:53 <jrmithdobbs> namecoins are a fad
 937 2011-06-16 03:28:01 <midnightmagic> no, you have to pay at the time-of, and then it's only effective *from that time on to another 12 weeks*
 938 2011-06-16 03:28:02 <jrmithdobbs> but hey, cash in on it while you can ;P
 939 2011-06-16 03:28:03 <gmaxwell> My understaning is that it's planned.
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 942 2011-06-16 03:28:31 <midnightmagic> nah, they're an economy on top of another economy. and you'll recall that bitcoin were the "fad" not so long ago too..
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 958 2011-06-16 03:30:59 <Zarutian> midnightmagic: iirc, fads can eather die out or become fashion from there on it will migrate to the main laim stream
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 961 2011-06-16 03:31:24 <doublec> phantomcircuit, gmaxwell, vinced is currently working on it
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 974 2011-06-16 03:36:01 <rusty> Hi all... two dumb questions.  (1) Is there any plan to separate the gui to run the daemon in a separate process rather than recompiling files with -DGUI and sharing code that way?  And (2) Has anyone else looked at ISO 4217:2008 and getting a sanctioned TLA for bitcoin?
 975 2011-06-16 03:36:49 <jgarzik> rusty: patches welcome!
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 977 2011-06-16 03:37:36 <rusty> jgarzik: cool... I will proceed.  I think that a nice separation would make alternate front ends easier.
 978 2011-06-16 03:38:05 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, reading that you would need to convince a large enough % of miners to do that such that when the marginal revenue of mining decreases and it becomes unprofitable for many the influx of cheap mining gear doesn't allow one individual to obtain >50% of market share
 979 2011-06-16 03:38:44 <phantomcircuit> rusty, getting iso to do anything is costly
 980 2011-06-16 03:38:58 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: It would make sense that they common miner-oriented daemons would eventually be multichain out of the box.
 981 2011-06-16 03:39:18 <phantomcircuit> yeah i guess it would
 982 2011-06-16 03:39:26 <phantomcircuit> increase marginal revenues
 983 2011-06-16 03:39:31 <gmaxwell> "free money! whhoo!"
 984 2011-06-16 03:39:33 <rusty> phantomcircuit: Yes, I know, I've dealt with them before.  The question was is anyone chasing it up?  We'd probably have to get XBT, since BTC would belong to Bhutan.
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 990 2011-06-16 03:42:52 <jgarzik> rusty: not AFAWK
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 992 2011-06-16 03:43:40 <rusty> jgarzik: excellent.  I shall begin serious enquiries now.
 993 2011-06-16 03:43:55 <jgarzik> rusty: very cool :)  getting a real ISO designation would be fantastic.
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 997 2011-06-16 03:50:47 <denisx> jgarzik: does this look good to you? http://pastebin.com/fEQ0dhx2
 998 2011-06-16 03:51:27 <jgarzik> denisx: does it work?  :)
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1002 2011-06-16 03:55:45 <denisx> jgarzik: the btcguild guy coded that already and did not upstream it?
1003 2011-06-16 03:57:16 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: hey what was the fix that prevented multiple OP_SIGCHECK spams?
1004 2011-06-16 03:57:29 <jrmithdobbs> you know?
1005 2011-06-16 03:57:37 <jgarzik> denisx: ?
1006 2011-06-16 03:57:39 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: ?
1007 2011-06-16 03:58:24 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Incidents#OP_CHECKSIG_abuse
1008 2011-06-16 03:58:26 <denisx> jgarzik: btcguild guy wants to change the difficulty next week to 2. so he must have code in pushpoold to do that already
1009 2011-06-16 03:58:30 <jrmithdobbs> what was the fix for that?
1010 2011-06-16 03:58:40 <jrmithdobbs> I mean specifically in the code
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1013 2011-06-16 03:59:13 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: oh that.  I'd have to look at the version history, something you can do too :)
1014 2011-06-16 03:59:32 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, isstandard
1015 2011-06-16 03:59:32 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: ya was just hoping you knew off the top of your head ;P
1016 2011-06-16 03:59:56 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: ah, that's where isstandaard came from?
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1018 2011-06-16 04:00:35 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yes
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1020 2011-06-16 04:02:48 <jgarzik> isStandard was for something else, iirc
1021 2011-06-16 04:03:34 <jrmithdobbs> i think it is IsStandard cause looking at it that would prevent multiple OP_CHECKSIGs being a DOS issue since only things processing non-IsStandard txns will run the scirpts
1022 2011-06-16 04:05:01 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, probably one solution for many problems
1023 2011-06-16 04:05:15 <phantomcircuit> there isn't another check for multiple OP_CHECKSIG operations afaict
1024 2011-06-16 04:05:33 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r7a3698808855 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCOrderBook/plugin.py: OTCOrderBook: add username output to the otc ticker channel http://tinyurl.com/63fsaxw
1025 2011-06-16 04:06:00 <espinet> anyone know where i can get a mtgox closing data since it began?
1026 2011-06-16 04:06:53 <coderrr> espinet, mtgox.com/code/data/getHistory.php and tweak 'period' param
1027 2011-06-16 04:07:08 <coderrr> check out the ajax calls on the mega chart page
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1029 2011-06-16 04:07:41 <paxos> "EXCEPTION: NSt8ios_base7failureE       \nCAutoFile::read : end of file       \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage()       \n"
1030 2011-06-16 04:08:07 <paxos> anyone know what that means?  received that from a getinfo jsonrpc
1031 2011-06-16 04:08:24 <paxos> bitcoind also stopped taking in new blocks
1032 2011-06-16 04:08:28 <phantomcircuit> that your db is fucked
1033 2011-06-16 04:08:39 <phantomcircuit> or possibly that you moved it while it was running
1034 2011-06-16 04:08:54 <paxos> no moving
1035 2011-06-16 04:08:59 <paxos> process started with virgin datadir
1036 2011-06-16 04:09:00 <phantomcircuit> since bdb is fucktarded and doesn't take advantage of unix keeping files open even after moving them
1037 2011-06-16 04:10:10 <paxos> I can't seem to get a full block history without some type of db error.. bitcoind 64bit linux
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1041 2011-06-16 04:10:50 <paxos> 0.3.23
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1044 2011-06-16 04:13:59 <denisx> phoenix can't handle difficulty-2, is that correct?
1045 2011-06-16 04:15:32 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r8f28ed01dd74 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/plugin.py: GPG: ignore keyerror if we're not in one of the monitored channels http://tinyurl.com/6k37uza
1046 2011-06-16 04:15:59 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: really? it doesn't? it used to
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1048 2011-06-16 04:16:09 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: has oracle killed another good product already? :(
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1050 2011-06-16 04:16:27 <grbgout> Hmm, should I be concerned that my bitcoin client only has 8 connections?
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1052 2011-06-16 04:16:57 <grbgout> Should I update to the newest client?
1053 2011-06-16 04:17:06 <jrmithdobbs> yes
1054 2011-06-16 04:17:14 <jrmithdobbs> and you should turn on upnp
1055 2011-06-16 04:17:21 <gjs278> or portforward
1056 2011-06-16 04:17:21 <jrmithdobbs> or forward 8333 in your router
1057 2011-06-16 04:17:33 <grbgout> eh... I'd rather not use UPNP.  Port forwarding has been enabled since March 24th.
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1059 2011-06-16 04:17:47 <grbgout> Most connections I've ever seen was 53, or something.
1060 2011-06-16 04:17:50 <gjs278> 8 conns with portforwarding you should check to see if the forwarding is still set to your internal ip
1061 2011-06-16 04:17:52 <espinet> how to i adjust the parameters for https://mtgox.com/code/data/getHistory.php?
1062 2011-06-16 04:17:55 <gjs278> or upgrade clients
1063 2011-06-16 04:17:59 <espinet> https://mtgox.com/code/data/getHistory.php?date=1277942400?date=....?
1064 2011-06-16 04:18:02 <jrmithdobbs> both actually
1065 2011-06-16 04:18:10 <grbgout> gjs278: IP hasn't changed, nor has the router....  I'll update the client.
1066 2011-06-16 04:18:11 <jrmithdobbs> since irc channel bootstrapping code changed
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1068 2011-06-16 04:18:34 <gjs278> I'm on .22 I think
1069 2011-06-16 04:19:01 <grbgout> is there a version RPC command?  I don't remember which I'm on.
1070 2011-06-16 04:19:10 <jrmithdobbs> getinfo
1071 2011-06-16 04:20:05 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: durp, and I've looked at the version entry so many times too >_<
1072 2011-06-16 04:20:09 <grbgout> "version" : 32200,
1073 2011-06-16 04:20:27 * paxos pulls hair out
1074 2011-06-16 04:20:28 <jrmithdobbs> oh then upgrade wont help much except to establing the 8 outbound connections quicker
1075 2011-06-16 04:20:33 <paxos>  "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!  You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
1076 2011-06-16 04:20:35 <jrmithdobbs> establish
1077 2011-06-16 04:20:53 <grbgout> Hmm
1078 2011-06-16 04:21:00 <paxos> my bitcoind can not for the life of it get a full transaction history w/o corrupting the db
1079 2011-06-16 04:21:01 <grbgout> I wonder why I've gotten so few
1080 2011-06-16 04:21:04 <paxos> cosmic rays
1081 2011-06-16 04:21:22 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: (might as well upgrade though cause it lowers mandatory fees)
1082 2011-06-16 04:21:25 <gjs278> "version" : 32300
1083 2011-06-16 04:21:27 <espinet> how do i adjust the date for mtgox's getHistory.php?
1084 2011-06-16 04:21:41 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: try stopping, killing addr.dat, and restarting
1085 2011-06-16 04:22:50 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: I'll just kill addr.dat while bitcoind is building
1086 2011-06-16 04:22:59 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: stop it first
1087 2011-06-16 04:22:59 <gjs278> well
1088 2011-06-16 04:23:02 <gjs278> if bticoind is accessing it
1089 2011-06-16 04:23:06 <gjs278> addr.dat won't be deleted
1090 2011-06-16 04:23:17 <gjs278> it won't appear in the dir sure, but it will be still available for bitcoind to use
1091 2011-06-16 04:23:23 <jrmithdobbs> also see phantomcircuit's comments about bdb not more than 30 min ago
1092 2011-06-16 04:23:25 <grbgout> gjs278: I stopped bitcoind already
1093 2011-06-16 04:23:25 <jrmithdobbs> so don't
1094 2011-06-16 04:23:30 <gjs278> oh
1095 2011-06-16 04:23:37 <gjs278> bitcoind building was a misread
1096 2011-06-16 04:23:43 <gjs278> I thought you were building blockchain or something
1097 2011-06-16 04:23:45 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: I stopped it before make -f, of course.
1098 2011-06-16 04:23:56 <jrmithdobbs> ya if it's already stopped no probs ;P
1099 2011-06-16 04:24:26 <grbgout> is "-daemon" still necessary even with bitcoind? :\
1100 2011-06-16 04:24:35 <jrmithdobbs> yes
1101 2011-06-16 04:24:37 <grbgout> >_<
1102 2011-06-16 04:25:04 <paxos> grbgout: you can put it in the .conf
1103 2011-06-16 04:25:25 <grbgout> paxos: good point
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1105 2011-06-16 04:25:48 <grbgout> paxos: still seems rather redundant.... having a bitcoind and needing to supply -daemon
1106 2011-06-16 04:26:18 <phantomcircuit> grbgout, no killing
1107 2011-06-16 04:26:27 <phantomcircuit> patches to act otherwise have been rejected
1108 2011-06-16 04:26:30 <paxos> grbgout: you can control whether it forks to the background or not
1109 2011-06-16 04:26:47 <phantomcircuit> something about perfect being the enemy of good or some such nonsense
1110 2011-06-16 04:26:51 <phantomcircuit> *eh hem*
1111 2011-06-16 04:27:20 <phantomcircuit> paxos, no actually you cannot, whether rpc runs or it forks are both controlled by -daemon
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1115 2011-06-16 04:28:01 <paxos> phantomcircuit: thought rpc was the 'server' option
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1117 2011-06-16 04:28:14 <paxos> independent of the 'daemon' option
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1119 2011-06-16 04:28:33 <paxos> I don't know.. this is day 1 for me
1120 2011-06-16 04:30:43 <grbgout> 31 connections now
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1152 2011-06-16 04:50:41 * Diablo-D3 should out IO- on the amazing question he just asked
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1157 2011-06-16 04:52:19 <Diablo-D3> meh, maybe I wont
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1159 2011-06-16 04:53:16 <gjs278> what was it
1160 2011-06-16 04:53:34 <lfm> buy a 6990?
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1166 2011-06-16 04:56:57 <Diablo-D3> we need a bash.org for diablominer support
1167 2011-06-16 04:57:26 <akiyama> guys, I`m trying to run the linux client but it gives me libgio library error. where is that library located ?
1168 2011-06-16 04:58:05 <akiyama> any help ?
1169 2011-06-16 04:58:16 <lfm> /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.so.0.2000.1
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1171 2011-06-16 04:58:49 <gjs278> my first submission would be people complaining that your thread was "pinned higher than all of the other threads"
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1173 2011-06-16 04:59:04 <gjs278> go post in the other pinned threads, see what happens
1174 2011-06-16 04:59:07 <lfm> actually I have never heard of it before and have no idea why I got one
1175 2011-06-16 04:59:28 <akiyama> hm I don't have it... any idea where it comes from ?
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1177 2011-06-16 04:59:41 <gjs278> glib
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1180 2011-06-16 05:00:30 <phantomcircuit> lfm, glib io stuff
1181 2011-06-16 05:00:37 <lfm> akiyama: what distro you on?
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1183 2011-06-16 05:00:45 <akiyama> fedora 8
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1185 2011-06-16 05:00:52 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: I laughed so fucking hard at that one
1186 2011-06-16 05:00:54 <Diablo-D3> its like
1187 2011-06-16 05:01:00 <akiyama> I installed the glib but still the same...
1188 2011-06-16 05:01:17 <phantomcircuit> akiyama, ldd ./bitcoin
1189 2011-06-16 05:01:17 <Diablo-D3> these people have never fucking used a fucking forum before
1190 2011-06-16 05:01:43 <gjs278> Topic: Total Lack of Linux Software
1191 2011-06-16 05:01:48 <gjs278> wtf is this guy talking about
1192 2011-06-16 05:01:48 <lfm> according to ldd its not refed directly by bitcoin
1193 2011-06-16 05:01:53 <akiyama> nope... doesn't link it. Not found
1194 2011-06-16 05:02:07 <akiyama> libgio-2.0.so.0 => not found
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1196 2011-06-16 05:02:31 <lfm> fedora glib package broke?
1197 2011-06-16 05:02:38 <phantomcircuit> akiyama, locate libgio
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1199 2011-06-16 05:02:57 <cut> good luck fedora8. thats like 4 years old
1200 2011-06-16 05:03:02 <akiyama> mmm... i dont know but I don't find it anywhere on my machine... and it insists I have the glib installed
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1202 2011-06-16 05:03:19 <phantomcircuit> akiyama, that was a command you should type, locate libgio
1203 2011-06-16 05:03:28 <lfm> akiyama: oh, fedora 8 is too old then
1204 2011-06-16 05:03:32 <akiyama> yeah I know. doesn't return anything
1205 2011-06-16 05:03:34 <phantomcircuit> sirius, hey have you considered moving away from slicehost?
1206 2011-06-16 05:03:44 <phantomcircuit> akiyama, try sudo updatedb
1207 2011-06-16 05:03:49 <phantomcircuit> akiyama, then run it again
1208 2011-06-16 05:03:50 <akiyama> I know it's old but I have reasons to use it
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1210 2011-06-16 05:04:27 <lfm> phantomcircuit: is it possible an older version of glib didnt have any libgio?
1211 2011-06-16 05:04:34 <cut> the only reason to use fedora8 is if it's a production machine that you can't update. and in that case, you shouldnt be running bitcoin on it :)
1212 2011-06-16 05:04:44 <akiyama> lol
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1214 2011-06-16 05:05:09 <Diablo-D3> seriously
1215 2011-06-16 05:05:16 <Diablo-D3> doing diablominer
1216 2011-06-16 05:05:18 <Diablo-D3> its just daily
1217 2011-06-16 05:05:19 <phantomcircuit> lfm, yes
1218 2011-06-16 05:05:23 <Diablo-D3> my mind is full of fuck jay-peg
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1221 2011-06-16 05:06:09 <lfm> akiyama: I spoze you could try building it from source yourself but that seems doomed to failure too to me.
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1223 2011-06-16 05:07:44 <akiyama> well the thing is it's a machine I use for 3d softwares and the only OS that's supported by the developers of this software is Fedora  8. Don't ask me why...
1224 2011-06-16 05:08:14 <akiyama> and no libgio found after the updatedb
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1227 2011-06-16 05:09:15 <akiyama> hm... http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-arm@redhat.com/msg00016.html
1228 2011-06-16 05:09:16 <lfm> akiyama: you prolly did an update -force and the dependancy just isnt there
1229 2011-06-16 05:09:26 <akiyama> yes.. seems it came later
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1234 2011-06-16 05:11:08 <lfm> one or more of the libs for boost, bdb, ssl or wxwidgets is basiclly not compiled for your version of fedora I assume
1235 2011-06-16 05:11:51 <akiyama> yeah... damn I`m not going to bother installing it on this machine it seems. Will try it on newer distro. THanks for the pointers guys
1236 2011-06-16 05:12:03 <lfm> ok good luck
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1242 2011-06-16 05:16:22 <AlonzoTG> Does mining accomplish anything useful or is it just a make-work?
1243 2011-06-16 05:16:23 <jazzanova> hi
1244 2011-06-16 05:16:26 <jazzanova> when I make a bitcoin payment, is there a description on the payment ?
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1248 2011-06-16 05:17:08 <adgdggdagd> jazzanova: no
1249 2011-06-16 05:17:21 <coderrr> AlonzoTG, only useful thing it does is secure the network, other than that no
1250 2011-06-16 05:17:26 <jazzanova> why not add that ?
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1252 2011-06-16 05:17:43 <jazzanova> it woul be a way to publically record some information, in a distributed fashion.
1253 2011-06-16 05:18:05 <jazzanova> a way to record agreement between two people
1254 2011-06-16 05:18:11 <AlonzoTG> Okay, so it DOES do something useful, critical in fact...
1255 2011-06-16 05:18:18 <jazzanova> for example "rent payment for july, 2010"
1256 2011-06-16 05:18:29 <coderrr> jazzanova, you could start a separate service that records that metadata
1257 2011-06-16 05:18:37 <coderrr> jazzanova, .... outside of the btc network
1258 2011-06-16 05:18:47 <jazzanova> whyn not use the infrastructure ?
1259 2011-06-16 05:18:49 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: if you use bitcoind you can add comments to your txns as stored in the wallet
1260 2011-06-16 05:18:51 <coderrr> jazzanova, why use it ?
1261 2011-06-16 05:18:52 * AlonzoTG contemplates buying a Xilinx vertex 6 to crunch through hashes like nobody's ever seen. =P
1262 2011-06-16 05:19:00 <adgdggdagd> i think the most practical way would be not to add that to the BTC protocol directly but through a separate protocol that hooks onto the BTC network
1263 2011-06-16 05:19:08 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, yes it completely replaces the counterfeiting police and the associated court system
1264 2011-06-16 05:19:08 <jazzanova> because it is already peer to peer
1265 2011-06-16 05:19:19 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: but not through the gui at this time, and the comments are not stored in the blockchain
1266 2011-06-16 05:19:32 <coderrr> jazzanova, the reason is, the more data u store in the network, the harder to scale it up
1267 2011-06-16 05:20:00 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: though, the gui does display said comments
1268 2011-06-16 05:20:17 <jazzanova> adgdggdagd: not sure how to "hook"
1269 2011-06-16 05:20:17 <phantomcircuit> i love all the comments from people with no clue
1270 2011-06-16 05:20:21 <phantomcircuit> they're hilarious
1271 2011-06-16 05:20:30 <adgdggdagd> me neither, just a random guess
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1273 2011-06-16 05:20:55 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: yes i love the "no you can't do that" answers to things you clearly can
1274 2011-06-16 05:21:04 <adgdggdagd> phantomcircuit: please enlighten us clueless plebe? :)
1275 2011-06-16 05:21:30 <phantomcircuit> not talking about this
1276 2011-06-16 05:21:53 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: oh what now?
1277 2011-06-16 05:21:57 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: more forum trolling?
1278 2011-06-16 05:22:03 <gjs278> but... that would mean we commented... on something we had no clue about
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1280 2011-06-16 05:22:06 <phantomcircuit> DUR SCALABILITY
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1283 2011-06-16 05:22:37 <jrmithdobbs> yes, txn comments are the biggest problem for bitcoin scalability, duh
1284 2011-06-16 05:22:43 <jrmithdobbs> did you miss the memo
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1288 2011-06-16 05:23:17 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, transactions into dht and all of a sudden storage becomes trivial
1289 2011-06-16 05:23:26 <adgdggdagd> couldn't you devise some sort of system by creating a new address for every transaction, and using a third party website that you register to and write messages to the addresses
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1291 2011-06-16 05:23:38 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: and yes, it would also be trivial to extend the current comment code to actually store the comments in the blockchain
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1293 2011-06-16 05:23:52 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: despite what coderrr told you.
1294 2011-06-16 05:23:59 <jazzanova> jrmithdobbs: ok, but that would mean people would have to run another client
1295 2011-06-16 05:24:05 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: nope.
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1299 2011-06-16 05:24:21 <jazzanova> ok, so then everyone would need to agree to run the upgraded version ?
1300 2011-06-16 05:24:26 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: just only people running a client aware of how to decode the comments would see them
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1302 2011-06-16 05:24:40 <gjs278> people who didn't agree just wouldnt get them
1303 2011-06-16 05:24:41 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: it'd just be done in the script with the pushdata ops
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1305 2011-06-16 05:24:49 <jazzanova> jrmithdobbs: so when I make the transaction, Iput a comment there ?
1306 2011-06-16 05:25:03 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: sure, it just wont currently pass IsStandard
1307 2011-06-16 05:25:05 <coderrr> jrmithdobbs, so why werent comments included in teh blockchain ?
1308 2011-06-16 05:25:12 <gjs278> who needs them
1309 2011-06-16 05:25:27 <jrmithdobbs> coderrr: because the prupose is to record them for the user not the world
1310 2011-06-16 05:25:29 <jazzanova> you kidding me
1311 2011-06-16 05:25:43 <coderrr> jrmithdobbs, blockchain size had nothing to do with it ?
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1315 2011-06-16 05:26:12 <jrmithdobbs> coderrr: you can add arbitrary sized data (to a certain limit i forget atm) to any script
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1317 2011-06-16 05:26:20 <coderrr> yea u CAN but the client doesnt
1318 2011-06-16 05:26:27 <jrmithdobbs> there are ops in the script spec to SPECIFICALLY allow this
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1320 2011-06-16 05:26:47 <jrmithdobbs> eg, people have written timestamping code that stores data in the blockchain
1321 2011-06-16 05:26:48 <jazzanova> i tihnk the comment can be a bittorent url -- on the bittorent you'd put the full document.
1322 2011-06-16 05:27:26 <jazzanova> i'm trying to think how to insure a copyright/patent on an idea!
1323 2011-06-16 05:27:36 <jrmithdobbs> coderrr: doesn't matter what the client does, it would be a simple extension to the client that is completely compliant with the blockchain format, is the point.
1324 2011-06-16 05:27:38 <jazzanova> imagine an ability to be first to record your invention.
1325 2011-06-16 05:27:43 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: too late.
1326 2011-06-16 05:27:49 <jazzanova> why ?
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1328 2011-06-16 05:28:05 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: you discussed it in a public forum, and you're not the originator of this idea.
1329 2011-06-16 05:28:08 <volante> setting USE_UPNP= doesnt seem to stop the build from wanting upnp: net.cpp:13:32: error: miniupnpc/miniwget.h: No such file or directory
1330 2011-06-16 05:28:21 <eddyb> hi
1331 2011-06-16 05:28:27 <jazzanova> i have discussed it ?
1332 2011-06-16 05:28:31 <volante> is it possible to build without miniupnpc?
1333 2011-06-16 05:28:40 <eddyb> I've read what I could find on the wiki, but it's not that technical...
1334 2011-06-16 05:28:40 <jrmithdobbs> volante: make -f makefile.<whichever> USE_UPNP=
1335 2011-06-16 05:29:00 <eddyb> I'm not sure if I got the theory right... is the generation algorithm something like do{hash=sha256(sha256(something+nonce));}while(hash<target); ?
1336 2011-06-16 05:29:01 <jazzanova> is anyone doing this ?
1337 2011-06-16 05:29:19 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: people have already timestamped data in the blockchain, yes
1338 2011-06-16 05:29:25 <volante> oh right :) thats better, thanks
1339 2011-06-16 05:29:29 <coderrr> jazzanova, just post a sha hash of your idea to a public place taht is timestampped, liek email list
1340 2011-06-16 05:29:38 <eddyb> where something+nonce means concatenation. and what's that "something" there
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1342 2011-06-16 05:30:42 <volante> question about bitcoin while this compiles.. if someone sends out a transaction, the transaction will point to the most recent block right?  so if after sending the transaction, they suddenly see a new, bigger chain, would they have to redo their transaction on top of that and send it out again?
1343 2011-06-16 05:31:02 <jazzanova> okei, well, i'm trying to solve this problem:  how do I associate an existing project with an owner of that project.  For example, an mp3 and its maker. or a photo and its maker.
1344 2011-06-16 05:31:40 <AlonzoTG> Is there a reference implementation of the mining algorithm? Is there a C version?
1345 2011-06-16 05:31:52 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: i don't think bitcoin is the way to do this
1346 2011-06-16 05:32:18 <jrmithdobbs> volante: yup.
1347 2011-06-16 05:32:38 <volante> does the client automatically do that, or would you see your transaction fail and have to redo it?
1348 2011-06-16 05:33:07 <jrmithdobbs> not sure, i've not dug in that part of the code too much
1349 2011-06-16 05:33:28 <eddyb> uhm, does anyone know how that generation thing works?
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1351 2011-06-16 05:33:37 <diki> eddy?
1352 2011-06-16 05:34:11 <eddyb> [08:28] <eddyb> I'm not sure if I got the theory right... is the generation algorithm something like do{hash=sha256(sha256(something+nonce));}while(hash<target); ?
1353 2011-06-16 05:34:18 <eddyb> [08:29] <eddyb> where something+nonce means concatenation. and what's that "something" there?
1354 2011-06-16 05:35:23 <volante> eddyb have you read the white paper on bitcoin?  http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
1355 2011-06-16 05:35:31 <jrmithdobbs> eddyb: basically, yes, and that something is the previous block hash and it's while(hash>target) since if it's <target you already won
1356 2011-06-16 05:35:58 <eddyb> right, wrote that wrong...
1357 2011-06-16 05:36:18 <eddyb> ok, the previous block hash is a full sha256 hash?
1358 2011-06-16 05:36:47 <jrmithdobbs> you got it
1359 2011-06-16 05:37:15 <jazzanova> what do you think about using a bitcoin address as an equivalent of identity ?
1360 2011-06-16 05:37:31 <eddyb> 12bytes->8bytes->8bytes?
1361 2011-06-16 05:37:46 <gmaxwell> jazzanova: hurray infinite identities for everyone!
1362 2011-06-16 05:37:56 <jrmithdobbs> eddyb: huh
1363 2011-06-16 05:38:03 <eddyb> or 256+32->256->256
1364 2011-06-16 05:38:13 <eddyb> the sizes of the input and the outputs
1365 2011-06-16 05:38:26 <jazzanova> gmaxwell: thats ok.  you can choose to have say a certain identity for certain things.
1366 2011-06-16 05:38:48 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: horrible idea
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1368 2011-06-16 05:39:00 <jazzanova> i mean, bitcoin address insteod of email
1369 2011-06-16 05:39:01 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: there are better systems in place to do this already
1370 2011-06-16 05:39:03 <eddyb> and because a sha256 block is 512bits, I can assume it's only one block for each of the two sha256
1371 2011-06-16 05:39:08 <eddyb> ok, thanks guys
1372 2011-06-16 05:39:08 <jazzanova> openid ?
1373 2011-06-16 05:39:15 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: pgp
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1375 2011-06-16 05:39:28 <volante> ok i just finally got my compile done and now its running.  anyone wanna send me some coin? :P
1376 2011-06-16 05:39:31 <jazzanova> i see
1377 2011-06-16 05:40:39 <gmaxwell> 22:30 < volante> question about bitcoin while this compiles.. if someone sends out a transaction, the transaction will point to the most recent block  right?  so if after sending the transaction, they suddenly see a new, bigger chain, would they have to redo their transaction on top of  that and send it out again?
1378 2011-06-16 05:40:51 <gmaxwell> gah. it doesn't point to a block it gets included in a block
1379 2011-06-16 05:41:02 <jrmithdobbs> semantics
1380 2011-06-16 05:41:18 <gmaxwell> and if the chain splits and the new block doesn't have it all miners remember the txn from the split chain and include it automatically.
1381 2011-06-16 05:41:21 <jazzanova> jrmithdobbs: is there a good discussion channel you can recommend me for pgp / identity stuff ?
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1383 2011-06-16 05:43:54 <jrmithdobbs> alt.crypto ?
1384 2011-06-16 05:44:39 <jazzanova> thats a newsgroup ?
1385 2011-06-16 05:45:09 <jazzanova> ok, foudn #crypto
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1388 2011-06-16 05:46:22 <volante> gmaxwell: oh ok, yeah i knew the block needs to reference the transactions but i thought there might have been a link the other way.  so transactions can just float around forever and eventually get put into a block..
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1390 2011-06-16 05:48:33 <lfm> volante: no link the other way so ya they can float around indefinatly waiting to get in the block chain
1391 2011-06-16 05:51:21 <volante> the reason i thought it would reference the latest block is because then you can ensure someone didnt pre-generate transactions in the past. but actually its no problem if someone wants to do that cos the blocks themselves have to reference the previous one. got it (i think).
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1403 2011-06-16 06:01:03 <Diablo-D3> http://fatpita.net/?i=6780
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1429 2011-06-16 06:22:58 <mrb_> why is an apparently official 0.3.23 release linked from bitcoin.org, when jgarzik has only officially distributed a release candidate so far?
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1433 2011-06-16 06:23:46 <mrb_> there has never been an announcement that 0.3.23 had been released.
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1438 2011-06-16 06:31:39 <EPiSKiNG-> All my MtGox was just stolen!!!!!!
1439 2011-06-16 06:31:54 <EPiSKiNG-> 100BTC!!!!!!
1440 2011-06-16 06:31:59 <EPiSKiNG-> WHAT THE FUCK!
1441 2011-06-16 06:32:14 <mrb_> EPiSKiNG-: did you have a secure password? how long? did you use non-alphanum chars?
1442 2011-06-16 06:32:37 <EPiSKiNG-> ??
1443 2011-06-16 06:32:42 <EPiSKiNG-> My mt.gox password?
1444 2011-06-16 06:32:45 <mrb_> yes
1445 2011-06-16 06:32:46 <EPiSKiNG-> it's linked to google
1446 2011-06-16 06:32:54 <mrb_> what does this mean?
1447 2011-06-16 06:32:56 <EPiSKiNG-> whoops
1448 2011-06-16 06:32:59 <EPiSKiNG-> no it isn't
1449 2011-06-16 06:33:03 <EPiSKiNG-> but my password was a secure one,
1450 2011-06-16 06:33:12 <EPiSKiNG-> alpha-numeric
1451 2011-06-16 06:33:29 <mrb_> was it a word followed by 1 or 2 digits only?
1452 2011-06-16 06:33:48 <mrb_> if yes that's not secure enough
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1454 2011-06-16 06:34:05 <mrb_> there are people doing password bruteforcing against MtGox accounts. 24/7.
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1456 2011-06-16 06:34:33 <mrb_> it was reported months ago. there is no doubt they did not stop.
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1458 2011-06-16 06:34:57 <EPiSKiNG-> so what can i do?????
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1460 2011-06-16 06:35:10 <kfr> EPiSKiNG- how long was the password
1461 2011-06-16 06:35:12 <mrb_> MagicalTux developped anti-DDoS and anti-bruteforcing code to attemp to block or limit the attempts, but that's not 100% failproof
1462 2011-06-16 06:35:22 <kfr> Did it partially contain any English terms?
1463 2011-06-16 06:35:28 <EPiSKiNG-> long enough and no
1464 2011-06-16 06:35:33 <EPiSKiNG-> it was random
1465 2011-06-16 06:35:47 <kfr> How long was it?
1466 2011-06-16 06:35:57 <EPiSKiNG-> why do you ask?
1467 2011-06-16 06:36:00 <mrb_> EPiSKiNG-: contact MagicalTux, ask who accessed your account. from which IP. report this IP to the authorities.
1468 2011-06-16 06:36:04 <mtrlt> because we have no idea what is "long enough" for you
1469 2011-06-16 06:36:05 <EPiSKiNG-> so you can bruteforce it
1470 2011-06-16 06:36:14 <EPiSKiNG-> 9 characters
1471 2011-06-16 06:36:16 <mrb_> we ask because you probably have an incorrect conception of what a secure pw is
1472 2011-06-16 06:36:23 <EPiSKiNG-> i see that
1473 2011-06-16 06:36:28 <kfr> 9 is borderline :L
1474 2011-06-16 06:36:38 <EPiSKiNG-> god damn... 100 BTC
1475 2011-06-16 06:36:39 <mrb_> 'Charlie42' or similar is NOT a secure pw
1476 2011-06-16 06:36:45 <EPiSKiNG-> yeah, i know that
1477 2011-06-16 06:36:46 <mrb_> even though it's 9 char long
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1480 2011-06-16 06:37:52 <MagicalTux> many people got their password stolen not because of bruteforcing, but because they used the same on another place or installed something bad on their computer
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1484 2011-06-16 06:38:59 <mrb_> yeah, or that. re-using a passwd is bad, eg. don't use the same pw on forum.bitcoin.org and mtgox.com
1485 2011-06-16 06:40:06 <EPiSKiNG-> how do you manage your passwordS?
1486 2011-06-16 06:40:15 <EPiSKiNG-> if you have a diffferent one for each
1487 2011-06-16 06:40:50 <kluge> mnemonic devices are nice
1488 2011-06-16 06:40:59 <mrb_> I have a different pw for everything. they are fully random (alphnum + special characters) and 12+ char long. i store them in a pw vault (encrypted file)
1489 2011-06-16 06:41:08 <wumpus> mrb_: yep same here
1490 2011-06-16 06:41:18 <mrb_> I remember probably 10 off the top of my head (the ones I use daily)
1491 2011-06-16 06:41:28 <mrb_> for others, I have to open the pw vault.
1492 2011-06-16 06:41:50 <mtrlt> where do you store the vault?
1493 2011-06-16 06:42:07 <mrb_> on my fully-encrypted laptop disk. and only there.
1494 2011-06-16 06:42:07 <Namegduf> mrb_: Have you considered using KeePass or LastPass or such?
1495 2011-06-16 06:42:21 <mrb_> I don't use 3rd party services. I don't trust them.
1496 2011-06-16 06:42:27 <Namegduf> Yes you do.
1497 2011-06-16 06:42:40 <mrb_> no. LastPass got hacked last month.
1498 2011-06-16 06:42:43 <Namegduf> Every piece of software you have on your computer running under your user account has the capability to steal anything on your user account.
1499 2011-06-16 06:42:50 <mtrlt> yea using 3rd party services is a recipe for fail
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1501 2011-06-16 06:43:10 <mrb_> of course. there has to be a list of core apps I trust.
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1503 2011-06-16 06:43:16 <Namegduf> mrb_: Irrelevant, given that LastPass themselves do not have a decrypted copy of the password file
1504 2011-06-16 06:44:13 <coderrr> keepass is open source
1505 2011-06-16 06:44:15 <Namegduf> I think KeePass is local-only, which reduces the threat to the same one posed by having to trust your browser, your OS, and every other app you have installed not to be stealing your secrets.
1506 2011-06-16 06:44:36 <mrb_> I don't trust their sw. they are "planning" to open source some parts of it. but hasn't been done yet.
1507 2011-06-16 06:44:52 <Namegduf> Fair enough.
1508 2011-06-16 06:45:07 <Namegduf> You're still trusting every other third party app on your computer not to be keylogging
1509 2011-06-16 06:45:14 <Namegduf> But that's your call on degree.
1510 2011-06-16 06:45:40 <Namegduf> "not trusting third party sources" sounds good, but when you get down to actually doing it, there's major issues; you basically need to write your own compiler and then vet the source code from scratch.
1511 2011-06-16 06:45:51 <Namegduf> And you have to build said compiler without any other compiler.
1512 2011-06-16 06:46:02 <mtrlt> you also have to trust the hardware
1513 2011-06-16 06:46:06 <Namegduf> Yeah.
1514 2011-06-16 06:46:15 <mtrlt> and you also have to trust someone hasn't hacked your brain
1515 2011-06-16 06:46:39 <mrb_> the CEO of LastPass offered me a consulting gig some time ago. I declined (too busy)
1516 2011-06-16 06:47:37 <mrb_> their design seems technically good though (local pw vault only - master pw hashes only stored on their servers)
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1518 2011-06-16 06:50:13 <Diablo-D3> didnt lastpass get raped awhile back?
1519 2011-06-16 06:50:24 <phantomcircuit> yes they did
1520 2011-06-16 06:50:34 <phantomcircuit> because they were ig fat liars and had a backdoor
1521 2011-06-16 06:50:44 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: Details, link, etc?
1522 2011-06-16 06:50:50 <phantomcircuit> ws on /.
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1524 2011-06-16 06:51:12 <phantomcircuit> actually no that's right
1525 2011-06-16 06:51:16 <Diablo-D3> I saw it on hn
1526 2011-06-16 06:51:18 <phantomcircuit> they didn't actually get hacked
1527 2011-06-16 06:51:31 <phantomcircuit> they just told people to change their passwords out of an abundance of caution
1528 2011-06-16 06:51:35 <Namegduf> I never heard of anything past them seeing some weirdass activity
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1530 2011-06-16 06:51:49 <Namegduf> And them assuming they'd been hacked because it was the sensible assumption to take in their place
1531 2011-06-16 06:51:59 <Namegduf> After being unable to find any explanation internally.
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1533 2011-06-16 06:52:06 <phantomcircuit> http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/05/07/007200/LastPass-Users-Dont-Have-To-Reset-Master-PWDs
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1535 2011-06-16 06:53:15 <Namegduf> The commenters have the stupid
1536 2011-06-16 06:53:27 <Namegduf> You encrypt data with a massive long key prefixed/appended to the data
1537 2011-06-16 06:53:36 <Namegduf> Then you encrypt the key once per password you want to have
1538 2011-06-16 06:53:48 <Namegduf> Using the password.
1539 2011-06-16 06:53:52 <phantomcircuit> they usually do
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1541 2011-06-16 06:54:11 <Namegduf> That is how you do passphrase-changeable encrypted data, as well as OTPs along with regular passwords.
1542 2011-06-16 06:54:19 <Namegduf> But it looks right, yeah.
1543 2011-06-16 06:54:19 <phantomcircuit> wat
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1546 2011-06-16 06:55:41 <Namegduf> 's how TrueCrypt works, for example.
1547 2011-06-16 06:56:00 <Namegduf> Re-encrypting the enter DB for a password change would suck horribly.
1548 2011-06-16 06:56:33 <mrb_> "PayPal vulnerability allows access to any account within 30 seconds"
1549 2011-06-16 06:56:40 <mrb_> http://thenextweb.com/industry/2011/06/16/paypal-vulnerability-allows-access-to-any-account-within-30-seconds/
1550 2011-06-16 06:57:18 <stuhood> also http://consumerist.com/2011/06/how-hackers-stole-200000-citi-accounts-by-exploiting-basic-browser-vulnerability.html
1551 2011-06-16 06:57:52 <Namegduf> Morons trusting user input
1552 2011-06-16 06:58:06 <Diablo-D3> heh
1553 2011-06-16 06:58:16 <Diablo-D3> and whats really stupid is citi uses java
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1557 2011-06-16 06:58:28 <Diablo-D3> java has about half a dozen security frameworks for websites
1558 2011-06-16 06:58:31 <Diablo-D3> USE ANY OF THEM
1559 2011-06-16 06:58:32 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, all the major banks use java
1560 2011-06-16 06:58:49 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: I meant in the context of their user end website
1561 2011-06-16 06:58:56 <mrb_> you know what's really stupid too? I heard there is a miner written in java ;)
1562 2011-06-16 06:59:06 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, yes they all do
1563 2011-06-16 06:59:17 <Diablo-D3> you know whats REEALLLY stupid? I heard theres some guy trying to sell his shitty miner
1564 2011-06-16 06:59:33 <mrb_> lol
1565 2011-06-16 06:59:39 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, i can reliably fuck up the bofa site and get a stack trace, reported it like half a dozen times and nobody has fixed it
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1567 2011-06-16 07:01:03 <gjs278> dude
1568 2011-06-16 07:01:05 <mrb_> what can I say. slow miners can only be given away for free :)
1569 2011-06-16 07:01:08 <gjs278> I wouldn't report glitches on banking websites
1570 2011-06-16 07:01:08 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: seriously, only 6.3%? thats low man
1571 2011-06-16 07:01:12 <gjs278> unless I wanted to go to jail
1572 2011-06-16 07:01:20 <Diablo-D3> I can overclock my gpu and get that 6.3%
1573 2011-06-16 07:01:29 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: do you have a 5850?
1574 2011-06-16 07:01:31 <mrb_> I can overclock my gpu and regain another 6.3%
1575 2011-06-16 07:01:39 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, meh
1576 2011-06-16 07:01:47 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: or a 5870?
1577 2011-06-16 07:01:53 <Diablo-D3> or any 58xx?
1578 2011-06-16 07:01:59 <mrb_> I do have a 5870 somewhere
1579 2011-06-16 07:02:02 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, i was trying to move funds between my personal and business accounts but apparently those are actually separate banks
1580 2011-06-16 07:02:05 <phantomcircuit> ridiculous shit
1581 2011-06-16 07:02:10 <gjs278> lol
1582 2011-06-16 07:02:14 <phantomcircuit> but instead of saying SORRY WRONG BANK
1583 2011-06-16 07:02:15 <mrb_> I don't use it to mine though
1584 2011-06-16 07:02:16 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: tell me what your miner gets on 5xxx on SDK 2.1, and tell me what clocks its on
1585 2011-06-16 07:02:18 <gjs278> my bank if I physically walk in wont let me withdraw money
1586 2011-06-16 07:02:18 <phantomcircuit> it would just crash
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1589 2011-06-16 07:02:30 <mrb_> 80% of my farm i 6990s
1590 2011-06-16 07:02:38 <gjs278> but I can withdraw all of it through online services or start another bank account in my name, put it all in that account, and withdraw it that way
1591 2011-06-16 07:02:41 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: so basically your miner is useless shit
1592 2011-06-16 07:02:42 <mrb_> is 6990s so I don't care that much about 5xxx perf
1593 2011-06-16 07:02:51 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, lol wat
1594 2011-06-16 07:02:55 <Namegduf> Miner fight
1595 2011-06-16 07:03:02 <Diablo-D3> I'll be sure to use my mod powers to change the name of your thread to append it with "[SCAM]"
1596 2011-06-16 07:03:04 <gjs278> my account was made when I was 5 with my dad and apparently I can't do *anything* with it
1597 2011-06-16 07:03:11 <gjs278> only he can
1598 2011-06-16 07:03:19 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: yes because its not YOUR account
1599 2011-06-16 07:03:21 <gjs278> but I can do everything I want with the money online
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1601 2011-06-16 07:03:37 <sturles> phantomcircuit: In my days all major banks used COBOL.
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1604 2011-06-16 07:03:42 <gjs278> like right now I could withdraw every dollar of the account and make a new one
1605 2011-06-16 07:03:44 <gjs278> and that would be cool
1606 2011-06-16 07:03:48 <gjs278> but not if I did it inside the bank
1607 2011-06-16 07:03:50 <Diablo-D3> also, I have just made my miner slightly pushpool proof
1608 2011-06-16 07:03:53 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, oh oh i know this one, the account is in trust for you, so you need to have the name changed
1609 2011-06-16 07:03:59 <gjs278> I tried that
1610 2011-06-16 07:04:02 <gjs278> they said make a new one
1611 2011-06-16 07:04:05 <phantomcircuit> rofl
1612 2011-06-16 07:04:06 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: yeah, just make a new one
1613 2011-06-16 07:04:09 <phantomcircuit> what shitty bank is this
1614 2011-06-16 07:04:11 <Diablo-D3> THEY'RE FREE
1615 2011-06-16 07:04:13 <gjs278> I have like 5 companies all direct depositing I'll make the flip one day
1616 2011-06-16 07:04:15 <gjs278> first midwest
1617 2011-06-16 07:04:21 <phantomcircuit> that's hilarious
1618 2011-06-16 07:04:24 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: a lot of banks wont allow title changes like that
1619 2011-06-16 07:04:25 <phantomcircuit> i had an account like that
1620 2011-06-16 07:04:26 <Diablo-D3> due to fraud shit
1621 2011-06-16 07:04:34 <phantomcircuit> bofa just did it automatigally
1622 2011-06-16 07:04:35 <Diablo-D3> thats actually quite normal
1623 2011-06-16 07:04:35 <gjs278> I'd just keep the old one and then eventually all of the directs will change over
1624 2011-06-16 07:04:38 <phantomcircuit> automagically*
1625 2011-06-16 07:04:44 <Diablo-D3> bofa is a pile of shit and lets criminals steal your money
1626 2011-06-16 07:04:50 <Diablo-D3> so w/e
1627 2011-06-16 07:04:59 <phantomcircuit> yes this is why i have 2.74 in my checking account with them
1628 2011-06-16 07:05:00 <phantomcircuit> lol
1629 2011-06-16 07:05:20 <Diablo-D3> man pushpool is a pile of shit
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1631 2011-06-16 07:05:31 <Diablo-D3> even with the extra paranoid network shit I added
1632 2011-06-16 07:05:37 <Diablo-D3> and the async sendwork thread
1633 2011-06-16 07:06:03 <Diablo-D3> it still manages to make my miner flood "connect timed out" error messages
1634 2011-06-16 07:06:13 <phantomcircuit> god people are dumb
1635 2011-06-16 07:06:26 <phantomcircuit> i keep telling people to stop depositing into old britcoin addresses
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1637 2011-06-16 07:06:34 <phantomcircuit> and of course there is like 600 BTC in them
1638 2011-06-16 07:06:39 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: then take it
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1640 2011-06-16 07:06:55 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, i believe thats called theft bro
1641 2011-06-16 07:07:00 <gjs278> on bitcoins
1642 2011-06-16 07:07:02 <Diablo-D3> not at all.
1643 2011-06-16 07:07:03 <gjs278> there are no police
1644 2011-06-16 07:07:06 <phantomcircuit> rofl
1645 2011-06-16 07:07:09 <Diablo-D3> use wrong address, your coins gone forever
1646 2011-06-16 07:07:09 <EPiSKiNG-> i just lost 100 BTC at Mt Gox
1647 2011-06-16 07:07:12 <phantomcircuit> u 2
1648 2011-06-16 07:07:13 <gjs278> how
1649 2011-06-16 07:07:13 <EPiSKiNG-> I'm a little damn sore
1650 2011-06-16 07:07:18 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG-: how?
1651 2011-06-16 07:07:34 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG-: because MagicalTux can fix most of the dumb shit
1652 2011-06-16 07:07:37 <phantomcircuit> also people using bookmarks are fucking up my csrf code
1653 2011-06-16 07:07:41 <phantomcircuit> "csrf token mismatch!"
1654 2011-06-16 07:08:19 <mrb_> Diablo-D3: let me know when you optimize for 6xxx (I am genuinely curious)
1655 2011-06-16 07:08:45 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: I think you're not supposed to make *every* page on your site inaccessible directly
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1657 2011-06-16 07:08:53 <Namegduf> Just ones which perform an action by being visited
1658 2011-06-16 07:09:23 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, you mean like pages with crazy ass urls?
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1661 2011-06-16 07:09:39 <Namegduf> No, like pages which modify state by being visited
1662 2011-06-16 07:09:48 <phantomcircuit> ok then this counts
1663 2011-06-16 07:09:53 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: I already did.
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1665 2011-06-16 07:10:02 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: Redirect users from that URL
1666 2011-06-16 07:10:04 <phantomcircuit> openid params are in the url so they get picked up by the referer code
1667 2011-06-16 07:10:06 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: apparently my miner is faster than any other miner on that arch
1668 2011-06-16 07:10:08 <Namegduf> To one that's persistent
1669 2011-06-16 07:10:20 <Namegduf> Prior to them bookmarking things like a moron
1670 2011-06-16 07:10:21 <mrb_> I doubt it.
1671 2011-06-16 07:10:31 <mrb_> do you have 69xx hardware?
1672 2011-06-16 07:10:33 <phantomcircuit> the problem is that the page has to have get params
1673 2011-06-16 07:10:41 <phantomcircuit> AND it has to have a csrf token
1674 2011-06-16 07:10:41 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: nope.
1675 2011-06-16 07:10:42 <mrb_> I could ship you a 6950.
1676 2011-06-16 07:10:47 <phantomcircuit> so people bookmark the csrf token
1677 2011-06-16 07:10:52 <phantomcircuit> and of course it doesn't work
1678 2011-06-16 07:10:54 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: but I also managed to beat sdk 2.4 shittyness on 5xxx
1679 2011-06-16 07:11:01 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: so my miner has balls THIIISS BIGGGG
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1681 2011-06-16 07:11:26 <mrb_> how much does a 6950 cost in your area?
1682 2011-06-16 07:11:30 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: I guess that's their mistake for bookmarking a URL which, when entered into the browser, results in a change happening.
1683 2011-06-16 07:11:36 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: what does newegg say? :D
1684 2011-06-16 07:11:44 <Namegduf> Now, you *are* supposed to always, always make mutable things be POST requests, not GET.
1685 2011-06-16 07:11:49 <mrb_> has anyone ever donated hw to you?
1686 2011-06-16 07:11:54 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: never.
1687 2011-06-16 07:12:03 <Diablo-D3> Namegduf: it gets worse
1688 2011-06-16 07:12:08 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, yeah not my fault blame the openid specification
1689 2011-06-16 07:12:12 <Diablo-D3> Namegduf: you cannot have a body with a GET request
1690 2011-06-16 07:12:27 <Namegduf> I know.
1691 2011-06-16 07:12:30 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, apparently using it to its fullest instead of as just another authentication mechanism is a bad idea
1692 2011-06-16 07:12:51 <mrb_> $230 so 12 BTC
1693 2011-06-16 07:12:55 <Namegduf> "to its fullest"?
1694 2011-06-16 07:12:59 <Diablo-D3> Namegduf: that means, for example, there is shit out there that does bitcoin json rpc with GETs... HTTP DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
1695 2011-06-16 07:13:00 <phantomcircuit> there are people on britcoin with like 4 different accounts because they change the capitalization of urls
1696 2011-06-16 07:13:08 <phantomcircuit> it's the most obnoxious shit ever
1697 2011-06-16 07:13:15 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: oh thats easy to fix
1698 2011-06-16 07:13:19 <Namegduf> Oh, I see.
1699 2011-06-16 07:13:30 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, yeah how
1700 2011-06-16 07:13:36 <Diablo-D3> uh, server side url rewriting?
1701 2011-06-16 07:13:40 <phantomcircuit> ahah
1702 2011-06-16 07:13:43 <phantomcircuit> no dude
1703 2011-06-16 07:13:47 <lfm> http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX32025%28ME%29.aspx
1704 2011-06-16 07:14:04 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, it's 50% googles fault actually
1705 2011-06-16 07:14:19 <phantomcircuit> the openid they return is based on the referring url
1706 2011-06-16 07:14:20 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: not at all, for example, DiabloPool sends redirects for "wrong" urls.
1707 2011-06-16 07:14:33 <Diablo-D3> you CANNOT type in the url the wrong way
1708 2011-06-16 07:14:51 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, yeah i could do that
1709 2011-06-16 07:15:03 <phantomcircuit> but then the people who have multiple accounts would be permanently locked out
1710 2011-06-16 07:15:10 <mrb_> so all your users are self-centered guys financially benefitting from your work... what's your addr? I'll send you 12 BTC so you can get yourself a 6950
1711 2011-06-16 07:15:12 <Namegduf> Post news item, offer to assist
1712 2011-06-16 07:15:22 <phantomcircuit> and i cant merge them because google uses an hmac and not an identifiable string
1713 2011-06-16 07:15:24 <Namegduf> You can't fix a problem without breaking a few accounts
1714 2011-06-16 07:15:25 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: _any url that depends on capitlization is wrong_
1715 2011-06-16 07:15:27 <Diablo-D3> so yes.
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1717 2011-06-16 07:15:48 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, lol what all urls depend on capitalization it's in the standard
1718 2011-06-16 07:15:58 * Diablo-D3 smacks phantomcircuit 
1719 2011-06-16 07:16:03 <Diablo-D3> just because a spec says you can doesnt mean you should
1720 2011-06-16 07:16:08 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, http://www.google.com/tranSLate
1721 2011-06-16 07:16:22 <Diablo-D3> yes, and google fails at the internet.
1722 2011-06-16 07:16:26 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, not to mention i liteally cannot fix it at this point without locking people out of their accounts
1723 2011-06-16 07:16:30 <gjs278> well
1724 2011-06-16 07:16:32 <gjs278> mod_spelng
1725 2011-06-16 07:16:37 <phantomcircuit> again
1726 2011-06-16 07:16:38 <EPiSKiNG-> Diablo-D3: Apparently it was a TOR hacker
1727 2011-06-16 07:16:38 <gjs278> and all your caps problems are solved
1728 2011-06-16 07:16:38 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: then lock them out.
1729 2011-06-16 07:16:44 <EPiSKiNG-> and "knew" my password
1730 2011-06-16 07:16:49 <gjs278> lol
1731 2011-06-16 07:16:50 <lfm> dns ignores case but the rest of the url is often case sensitive
1732 2011-06-16 07:16:50 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG-: who did what now?
1733 2011-06-16 07:16:57 <phantomcircuit> lol just lock people out of their accounts
1734 2011-06-16 07:17:04 <EPiSKiNG-> my 100 BTC being stolen from Mt.Gox
1735 2011-06-16 07:17:04 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG-: oh that. yes
1736 2011-06-16 07:17:10 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG-: dont do stupid shit like that.
1737 2011-06-16 07:17:14 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, you should start an exchange you can call it "PyramidExchange"
1738 2011-06-16 07:17:15 <ersi> Hah
1739 2011-06-16 07:17:17 <ersi> Tor <3
1740 2011-06-16 07:17:33 <EPiSKiNG-> i don't know what tor is
1741 2011-06-16 07:17:34 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit,.
1742 2011-06-16 07:17:37 <Diablo-D3> you know what
1743 2011-06-16 07:17:41 <Diablo-D3> Im going to start and exchange.
1744 2011-06-16 07:17:44 <Diablo-D3> its going to be over tor.
1745 2011-06-16 07:17:50 <Diablo-D3> which then connects to a different tor node.
1746 2011-06-16 07:18:01 <phantomcircuit> lol what's the point
1747 2011-06-16 07:18:07 <Diablo-D3> yes, you heard me right, the foo.onion is just going to point to ANOTHER FOO.ONION
1748 2011-06-16 07:18:12 <phantomcircuit> rofl
1749 2011-06-16 07:18:14 <phantomcircuit> yo dawg....
1750 2011-06-16 07:18:18 <wumpus> onions within onions
1751 2011-06-16 07:18:32 <Diablo-D3> and then
1752 2011-06-16 07:18:39 <Diablo-D3> its going to allow bitcoins only.
1753 2011-06-16 07:18:44 <wumpus> maybe matroshka exchange would be a better name
1754 2011-06-16 07:18:46 <Diablo-D3> you can exchange it for bitcoins.
1755 2011-06-16 07:18:57 <phantomcircuit> rofl
1756 2011-06-16 07:19:05 <Diablo-D3> actually, I probably could just do bitcoins for shares in my gold reserves.
1757 2011-06-16 07:19:10 <wumpus> so I can finally exchange my bitcoins for... bitcoins, wow
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1759 2011-06-16 07:19:21 <wumpus> can't wait to make an account
1760 2011-06-16 07:19:25 <phantomcircuit> damn it
1761 2011-06-16 07:19:26 <Netsniper> that definately fills a need
1762 2011-06-16 07:19:31 <stuhood> that's called a laundry =P
1763 2011-06-16 07:19:36 <phantomcircuit> genjix told me to be awake now
1764 2011-06-16 07:19:41 <phantomcircuit> and he's probably still asleep
1765 2011-06-16 07:19:43 <phantomcircuit> fucking hell
1766 2011-06-16 07:19:48 <phantomcircuit> i need coffee
1767 2011-06-16 07:20:02 <Diablo-D3> hrm
1768 2011-06-16 07:20:05 <Diablo-D3> actually you know
1769 2011-06-16 07:20:21 <wumpus> so when people ask "why are bitcoins useful, what can you do with them?" you can answer "swap them for bitcoins"
1770 2011-06-16 07:20:28 <Diablo-D3> how hard is it to accept foreign currencies?
1771 2011-06-16 07:21:01 <wumpus> depends on what payment system you use to accept them
1772 2011-06-16 07:21:07 <wumpus> cash over mail? :P
1773 2011-06-16 07:21:10 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, where do you live?
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1776 2011-06-16 07:22:42 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, it's fairly difficult in the us
1777 2011-06-16 07:22:53 <phantomcircuit> also
1778 2011-06-16 07:22:57 <phantomcircuit> how do i have ops in #bitcoin
1779 2011-06-16 07:23:19 <gjs278> kick the entire channel
1780 2011-06-16 07:23:34 <phantomcircuit> i was tempted to
1781 2011-06-16 07:23:34 <gjs278> do a takeover
1782 2011-06-16 07:23:40 <gjs278> you now control the voice of bitcoins
1783 2011-06-16 07:23:41 <wumpus> don't be childish
1784 2011-06-16 07:23:53 <gjs278> wumpus men have folded for less power than that
1785 2011-06-16 07:24:09 <phantomcircuit> in most channels i would have
1786 2011-06-16 07:24:20 <phantomcircuit> in fact i have a hilarious old script
1787 2011-06-16 07:24:23 <phantomcircuit> but no
1788 2011-06-16 07:24:58 <wumpus> you see it on kiddy networks all the time, always regarded freenode too adult for that
1789 2011-06-16 07:25:18 <wumpus> maybe you should join irc.anonops :P
1790 2011-06-16 07:25:18 <jgarzik> mrb_: 0.3.23 release was announced on forum and bitcoin-development list
1791 2011-06-16 07:25:29 <jgarzik> mrb_: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=16553.0
1792 2011-06-16 07:25:35 <mrb_> jgarzik: k
1793 2011-06-16 07:25:40 <jgarzik> mrb_: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=BANLkTim1FP5t%3D4erKYeomB011WPo4xshow%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=bitcoin-development
1794 2011-06-16 07:25:46 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, i actually did that on #anonops
1795 2011-06-16 07:25:52 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, it's why i have the script
1796 2011-06-16 07:26:01 <mrb_> I was expecting to find the announcment in the Development board, not Discussion
1797 2011-06-16 07:26:04 <phantomcircuit> it's a thing of beauty
1798 2011-06-16 07:26:11 <wumpus> we need an announcement section
1799 2011-06-16 07:26:18 <wumpus> everything in discussion goes away too fast
1800 2011-06-16 07:26:29 <phantomcircuit> multiple connections each changing username and handing off oper constantly
1801 2011-06-16 07:26:31 <mrb_> ...and I need to subscribe to this ML
1802 2011-06-16 07:26:32 <phantomcircuit> shit was hilarious
1803 2011-06-16 07:26:35 <Diablo-D3> hrm
1804 2011-06-16 07:26:41 <Diablo-D3> I wonder how hard it is to accept fake currencies
1805 2011-06-16 07:26:53 <wumpus> phantomcircuit: lol
1806 2011-06-16 07:27:04 <wumpus> define 'fake'?
1807 2011-06-16 07:27:30 <Diablo-D3> that vile SL currency, etc
1808 2011-06-16 07:27:58 <wumpus> ooh maybe project entropia dollars :p
1809 2011-06-16 07:28:13 <wumpus> don't think there's an exchange for that yet
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1823 2011-06-16 07:51:43 <sacarlson> how does this line 650 of script.h create a script program by just shifting these values of op_codes? *this << OP_DUP << OP_HASH160 << hash160 << OP_EQUALVERIFY << OP_CHECKSIG;
1824 2011-06-16 07:52:13 <spq> sacarlson: operator overloading
1825 2011-06-16 07:52:28 <sacarlson> spq: ?
1826 2011-06-16 07:52:54 <sacarlson> spq: I assume that the << is just a shift function
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1828 2011-06-16 07:53:00 <mtrlt> but it is overloaded
1829 2011-06-16 07:53:19 <mtrlt> therefore it has a different function as an ordinary <<
1830 2011-06-16 07:53:24 <mtrlt> otherwise that piece of code makes no sense :p
1831 2011-06-16 07:53:48 <spq> this isnt c, its c++ - there you can define the meaning of operators like << to be different and in c++ its common to use this operator for putting something into another thing like std::cout << "Hello World"";
1832 2011-06-16 07:53:50 <_dr> sacarlson: you know, like std::cout << "bla";
1833 2011-06-16 07:53:51 <sacarlson> mtrlt: that makes more sense
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1836 2011-06-16 07:54:21 <sacarlson> mtrlt: oh ya,  I'm bad a cpp thanks
1837 2011-06-16 07:56:30 <sacarlson> so then to create new scripts with new functions like escrow I would add them here in script.h
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1843 2011-06-16 08:00:27 <lfm> mtrlt: those << in there are like concatenate operations I think
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1845 2011-06-16 08:00:57 <mtrlt> yea like cout :p
1846 2011-06-16 08:01:05 <lfm> yup
1847 2011-06-16 08:03:52 <wumpus> yes that was a weird design choice imo, let's overload the << operator to mean concatenation.. but heh it's c++
1848 2011-06-16 08:04:01 <mtrlt> :)
1849 2011-06-16 08:11:45 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
1850 2011-06-16 08:11:46 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":19.99,"low":19.01,"vol":28811,"buy":19.65,"sell":19.6889,"last":19.6889}}
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1853 2011-06-16 08:22:40 <sacarlson> so has anyone seen any git released examples of others that have modified script.h to add new bitcoin script functions?
1854 2011-06-16 08:38:48 <cosurgi> hmm.. what happens if transaction didn't broadcast properly? I made a transaction 5 blocks ago. This transaction never appeared on IRC or in blockexplorer. But in my client the money are spent.
1855 2011-06-16 08:38:58 <cosurgi> the client will try to re-broadcast again?
1856 2011-06-16 08:39:45 <bob2> how much was the transaction fee?
1857 2011-06-16 08:40:01 <tcatm> cosurgi: did it appear on http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/ ?
1858 2011-06-16 08:40:11 <sipa> cosurgi: the client will rebroadcast approximately every half hour
1859 2011-06-16 08:40:23 <cosurgi> 0, I guess. But it never appeared on #bitcoin-watch
1860 2011-06-16 08:41:12 <cosurgi> tcatm: no.
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1863 2011-06-16 08:41:59 <cosurgi> I started the client only to make this transaction - I waited for blocks to download, made transaction, shortly after I discoinnected.
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1865 2011-06-16 08:42:37 <cosurgi> I think that broadcasting was unsuccesfull. So now I started client again, and I see money spent. So I will wait until it will re-broadcast again
1866 2011-06-16 08:43:32 <krekbwoy> is the target in getwork big or small endian?
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1868 2011-06-16 08:44:58 <relm9> compiled pushpool on centos and i'm at a loss as to why it's not working
1869 2011-06-16 08:45:04 <relm9> just hangs on [2011-06-16 08:39:41.668607] Listening on host :: port 8337
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1878 2011-06-16 08:53:51 <cuddlefish> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=17004.msg226208#msg226208
1879 2011-06-16 08:54:05 <cuddlefish> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=17004.msg226321#msg226321
1880 2011-06-16 08:54:22 <cuddlefish> Bitcoin7: completely and utterly insecure. do NOT use.
1881 2011-06-16 08:54:35 <cuddlefish> oh, and they store bitcoins as floats *facepalm&
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1887 2011-06-16 08:57:10 <sturles> But with *extreme accuracy"! :-D
1888 2011-06-16 08:57:14 <bob2> are you going to go on about bitcoin7 all day?
1889 2011-06-16 08:57:24 <sturles> Yes, they are funny.
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1891 2011-06-16 08:57:37 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: I assume the bitcoin7 didn't have any volume?
1892 2011-06-16 08:58:21 <cuddlefish> mebbe 1kBTC
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1894 2011-06-16 08:59:05 <cuddlefish> bob2: Until they shut down their web server, yes. this stuff reflects badly on BTC
1895 2011-06-16 08:59:17 <sturles> That would be 1.00000000004556876243 kBTC, with extreme accuracy.
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1897 2011-06-16 08:59:53 <bob2> reflects badly on idiots
1898 2011-06-16 09:00:11 <bob2> not on bitcoin as a software project, network or protocol
1899 2011-06-16 09:00:22 <cuddlefish> bob2: in the minds of the masses...
1900 2011-06-16 09:00:51 <cuddlefish> "Bitcoin exchange site Bitcoin7 was hacked today, causing a loss of nearly twenty thousand dollars"
1901 2011-06-16 09:00:55 <bob2> blah blah
1902 2011-06-16 09:01:44 <cuddlefish> bob2: also, frankly, it's FUN
1903 2011-06-16 09:02:04 <cuddlefish> haven't seen a site this hackable since hackthissite.com's demo
1904 2011-06-16 09:02:09 <bob2> jeez
1905 2011-06-16 09:02:20 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: I think my exchange is in interger  if you could verify if I might have the same of the problems http://exchange.beertokens.info/  wow 20k loss bummer
1906 2011-06-16 09:03:07 <Gekz> cuddlefish: I lol'd
1907 2011-06-16 09:03:16 <Gekz> I mean, I'm a terrible cracker
1908 2011-06-16 09:03:19 <Gekz> I'm so white it hurts
1909 2011-06-16 09:03:24 <Gekz> but that's some irresponsible shit
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1911 2011-06-16 09:03:54 <Gekz> plus, if he really wanted to allay concerns about the storage of the money info, say it's using, you know, a consistent decimal format at worst, or just fixed point fucking integer
1912 2011-06-16 09:04:20 <Gekz> god, it could be an ordinary 32-bit int haha
1913 2011-06-16 09:04:35 <cuddlefish> Gekz: it's a float. they've confirmed it on the forums
1914 2011-06-16 09:04:54 <Gekz> they haven't confirmed it, they could simply be converting it to a float on the frontend
1915 2011-06-16 09:05:02 <Gekz> which would be just as pathetic and lulzy
1916 2011-06-16 09:05:29 <phantomcircuit> cuddlefish, rofl
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1920 2011-06-16 09:07:49 <cuddlefish> sacarlson: you are just as vulnerable as they are, sorry.
1921 2011-06-16 09:07:54 <cuddlefish> http://pastehtml.com/!!!!view/axb1k7j2w.html
1922 2011-06-16 09:08:14 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: in what way?
1923 2011-06-16 09:08:23 <cuddlefish> sacarlson: withdrawals, don't have a CSRF token
1924 2011-06-16 09:08:38 <cuddlefish> sacarlson: log in to your account, then visit that link
1925 2011-06-16 09:08:41 <phantomcircuit> lol i implemented csrf tokens on britcoin 2 days ago
1926 2011-06-16 09:08:42 <cuddlefish> without the !!!!
1927 2011-06-16 09:08:48 <phantomcircuit> boss
1928 2011-06-16 09:08:59 <Wuked> phantomcircuit: do you own britcoin.co.uk ?
1929 2011-06-16 09:09:03 <cuddlefish> phantomcircuit: django implemented CSRF tokens on ubitex several months ago :D
1930 2011-06-16 09:09:07 <phantomcircuit> it's complicated
1931 2011-06-16 09:09:09 <cuddlefish> yaay, awesome frameworks!
1932 2011-06-16 09:09:20 <Wuked> I was going to call my pool Britcoin ;)
1933 2011-06-16 09:09:24 <phantomcircuit> 99% of openid platforms dont implement csrf properly
1934 2011-06-16 09:09:26 <Wuked> I even bought some domain names
1935 2011-06-16 09:09:29 <Wuked> theni found your site
1936 2011-06-16 09:09:30 <Wuked> haha
1937 2011-06-16 09:09:37 <phantomcircuit> Wuked, oh can we buy them?
1938 2011-06-16 09:09:44 <phantomcircuit> it would be nice to have the full set
1939 2011-06-16 09:09:45 <Wuked> sure
1940 2011-06-16 09:09:51 <Wuked> I think I just have Britcoin.net
1941 2011-06-16 09:11:17 <Wuked> happy to swap for some bitcoins if it's easier
1942 2011-06-16 09:11:35 <phantomcircuit> yeah im not the money man ill get him to contact you about it
1943 2011-06-16 09:11:44 <Wuked> sure np
1944 2011-06-16 09:11:59 <Wuked> my name is Wuked on the forum
1945 2011-06-16 09:12:01 <Wuked> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=17310.0
1946 2011-06-16 09:12:07 <Wuked> should be easy to find
1947 2011-06-16 09:13:21 <sturles> Anyone else having problems with mtgox?  When I log in, I just get to the front page.
1948 2011-06-16 09:13:29 <sturles> Not logged in.
1949 2011-06-16 09:17:29 <Gekz> has any of you seen a spec for namecoin yet?
1950 2011-06-16 09:17:42 <Gekz> I see no proof they have changed the coin limit from 21,000,000
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1953 2011-06-16 09:18:45 <npouillard> Gekz: I think we don't changed it. Why would you?
1954 2011-06-16 09:19:03 <Gekz> because unlike currency, domains are unlimited?
1955 2011-06-16 09:20:01 <Diablo-D3> is 0.3.23 out yet?
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1957 2011-06-16 09:20:21 <sipa> Diablo-D3: yes, since monday
1958 2011-06-16 09:20:29 <Diablo-D3> upgrado tiem
1959 2011-06-16 09:20:36 <Diablo-D3> you know
1960 2011-06-16 09:20:39 <Diablo-D3> eligius is really bad
1961 2011-06-16 09:20:49 <Diablo-D3> 535 accepted, 110 rejected
1962 2011-06-16 09:20:51 <Diablo-D3> bwhahahah
1963 2011-06-16 09:21:03 <npouillard> Gekz: you hit the most common misconception about namecoin. The alternative currency is not here to represent domains.
1964 2011-06-16 09:21:05 <Wuked> they are probably running an old version of pushpool
1965 2011-06-16 09:21:12 <Wuked> it's been patched
1966 2011-06-16 09:21:22 <npouillard> 1 domain ≠ 1 namecoin
1967 2011-06-16 09:21:22 <Wuked> to reduce dead blocks
1968 2011-06-16 09:21:37 <Gekz> npouillard: I am aware that it doesnt represent a single coin, that doesnt mean shit
1969 2011-06-16 09:21:56 <npouillard> Gekz: so yes the number of domain is meant to be unbounded
1970 2011-06-16 09:22:00 <Gekz> there are a finite number of namecoins, a certain amount are depleted when a domain is updated, and as far as I know, those coins are essentially destroyed; they never reenter the pool
1971 2011-06-16 09:22:06 <Wuked> Diablo-D3:  Do you test your miners on all of the pools, or just some ?
1972 2011-06-16 09:22:19 <Diablo-D3> Wuked: just slush and deepbit
1973 2011-06-16 09:22:23 <Diablo-D3> all other pools are invalid.
1974 2011-06-16 09:22:23 <Gekz> but as I said, I haven't seen a written spec anywhere, unlike bitcoin.
1975 2011-06-16 09:22:29 <Wuked> heh
1976 2011-06-16 09:23:04 <npouillard> Gekz: not exactly, network fees are destroyed, but they will be soon negligible, the other fees goes to the miner and will be the main incentive
1977 2011-06-16 09:23:13 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: I'm only getting site not found on your link after I loged into my site
1978 2011-06-16 09:23:31 <cuddlefish> sacarlson: did you remove the !!!! ?
1979 2011-06-16 09:23:35 <Diablo-D3> GAH
1980 2011-06-16 09:23:41 <Diablo-D3> who the fuck made the linux binary
1981 2011-06-16 09:23:48 <Diablo-D3> for 0.3.23
1982 2011-06-16 09:23:55 <Diablo-D3> its tarred wrong!
1983 2011-06-16 09:24:02 <npouillard> Gekz: have you read https://github.com/vinced/namecoin/blob/master/DESIGN-namecoin.md
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1985 2011-06-16 09:24:49 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: oh let me try that
1986 2011-06-16 09:25:30 <cuddlefish> sacarlson: :P
1987 2011-06-16 09:25:31 <sacarlson> cuddlefish:  very cool
1988 2011-06-16 09:25:39 <Gekz> npouillard: it doesnt say whether the limit of 21,000,000 coins has been lifted or not.
1989 2011-06-16 09:26:12 <cuddlefish> sacarlson: did it work?
1990 2011-06-16 09:26:24 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: thanks for turning us on to this.  yes came back with my page loged in
1991 2011-06-16 09:26:25 <npouillard> Gekz: it tries to list all the important changes made on bitcoin, so I would say that the limitation is not lifted
1992 2011-06-16 09:26:26 <Gekz> and beyond that, is the difficulty intended to limit block generation to one per 10 minutes?
1993 2011-06-16 09:26:41 <npouillard> Gekz: same answer
1994 2011-06-16 09:26:42 <cuddlefish> sacarlson: So what did it do
1995 2011-06-16 09:26:44 <Gekz> npouillard: then by logic, there is a finite limit of available domains
1996 2011-06-16 09:27:05 <npouillard> Gekz: because of what part?
1997 2011-06-16 09:27:19 <Gekz> npouillard: the actual limit of coins in the economy?
1998 2011-06-16 09:27:34 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: oh maybe I was still loged from my other page
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2001 2011-06-16 09:28:02 <npouillard> Gekz: I don't want to be un-friendly but this is not a valid answer for me
2002 2011-06-16 09:28:16 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: it apears when I hit your link that it diverted me to the exchange.beertokens.info site
2003 2011-06-16 09:28:20 <Gekz> npouillard: well perhaps your "design" document could actually explain how the system works
2004 2011-06-16 09:28:39 <cuddlefish> sacarlson: yeah
2005 2011-06-16 09:28:44 <Gekz> for instance, when you create a new domain, where do the coins go?
2006 2011-06-16 09:28:56 <Gekz> because my understanding is they go to a null address that is inaccessible by anybody.
2007 2011-06-16 09:28:59 <npouillard> Gekz: "network fee", or the fact that currently the property of a domain is represented by 0.01 namecoins would be proper answers
2008 2011-06-16 09:29:54 <npouillard> Gekz: network fees are destroyed, yes. But they were only meant to slow down the initial rush, consider them as a temporary measure
2009 2011-06-16 09:30:01 <Gekz> so what happens after that?
2010 2011-06-16 09:30:18 <npouillard> normal transaction fees
2011 2011-06-16 09:30:27 <npouillard> that goes to the miner
2012 2011-06-16 09:31:03 <Gekz> oooh, so it's inscribed into the block in trade for the fee given to the miner
2013 2011-06-16 09:31:13 <Gekz> and then the miner sells those back to the pool
2014 2011-06-16 09:31:36 <npouillard> to the market
2015 2011-06-16 09:31:42 <Gekz> alright
2016 2011-06-16 09:31:51 <Gekz> now, where on any of the namecoin sites is that written in those words?
2017 2011-06-16 09:31:56 <Gekz> because that's a bloody important point to make
2018 2011-06-16 09:32:32 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: cool so it sends the funds if your already loged into the account to <input type='text' id='input_address' value="1C8KaxcK4Ua2TiRZvZw1CyYWXGdVbjfVYF"  name='address' />
2019 2011-06-16 09:32:50 <Gekz> lol cookie fail
2020 2011-06-16 09:32:52 <Gekz> lol XSS
2021 2011-06-16 09:33:10 <npouillard> I agree with, I understood that when reading these docs on the first days of namecoins and have little time and talent to write docs
2022 2011-06-16 09:33:21 <npouillard> could you please point this out on #namecoin
2023 2011-06-16 09:33:36 <Gekz> i'm eating dinner right now
2024 2011-06-16 09:33:37 <cuddlefish> Gekz: ikr, 1337 h4x0r
2025 2011-06-16 09:33:46 <Gekz> but I will write a simple explanation in about 30 minutes and then paste it to you npouillard
2026 2011-06-16 09:33:55 <Gekz> then you can translate it into French :P
2027 2011-06-16 09:34:01 <npouillard> Gekz: great, :)
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2030 2011-06-16 09:36:02 <cuddlefish> sacarlson: yes
2031 2011-06-16 09:36:57 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: so what stoped it from working?
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2035 2011-06-16 09:45:20 <Gekz> npouillard: also, if your intention is to essentially have people profit from transaction fees, why is block generation still only 50 NC?
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2039 2011-06-16 09:51:55 <Xunie> Gekz, the amount of bitcoins you get per block? It gets divided by two every 4 years.
2040 2011-06-16 09:52:09 <Xunie> Every ~4 years.
2041 2011-06-16 09:52:23 <Gekz> Xunie: I don't think you know what I'm talking about.
2042 2011-06-16 09:52:34 <Xunie> I guess not because I just read your last line! :P
2043 2011-06-16 09:52:34 <Gekz> 210,000 blocks.
2044 2011-06-16 09:52:46 <Gekz> then  you should have noticed I said NC not BTC
2045 2011-06-16 09:53:00 <Xunie> Oh shi, Isn't it 'NMC'? though?
2046 2011-06-16 09:53:18 <Xunie> NC BC, it's so close, it looked like a typo! :O
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2048 2011-06-16 09:53:51 <Gekz> I don't know or care
2049 2011-06-16 09:53:52 <Gekz> lol
2050 2011-06-16 09:54:49 <Xunie> Whee! I'm so happy today! Whee! 1.5 Terabyte for only 60 euros. WHEE!
2051 2011-06-16 09:54:51 random_cat has joined
2052 2011-06-16 09:55:40 <Xunie> OH MY GOD, #Bitcoin has more users than ##Linux! :O
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2054 2011-06-16 09:59:19 <Gekz> take it to #bitcoin then
2055 2011-06-16 10:01:55 <npouillard> Gekz: to make the less changes to bitcoin, I suppose
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2060 2011-06-16 10:16:06 <Gekz> npouillard: https://gist.github.com/3387a6fd28d1b65be182
2061 2011-06-16 10:16:08 <Gekz> how's that?
2062 2011-06-16 10:16:14 <Gekz> a bit rough I suppose
2063 2011-06-16 10:16:23 <aristidesfl> http://pastie.org/2076743
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2068 2011-06-16 10:19:08 <aristidesfl> heeelp installing fglrx on unbuntu natty server 64 : http://pastie.org/2076743
2069 2011-06-16 10:19:49 <aristidesfl> followed this guide http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=7514.0
2070 2011-06-16 10:20:06 <aristidesfl> in the end, aticonfig could not be found
2071 2011-06-16 10:20:25 <aristidesfl> figured fglrx wasn't instaling correctly
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2073 2011-06-16 10:20:50 <aristidesfl> with this errors:http://pastie.org/2076743
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2080 2011-06-16 10:34:45 <sacarlson> cuddlefish: I guess something like one_time_token would be good enuf to correct that problem? http://paste.ubuntu.com
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2082 2011-06-16 10:38:26 <aristidesfl> I think I found the problem
2083 2011-06-16 10:38:38 <aristidesfl> fglrx expects xorg to be installed
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2085 2011-06-16 10:41:24 <ius> aristidesfl: This is not really #bitcoin-dev stuff, try #ubuntu (or even #bitcoin-mining would be more relevant)
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2087 2011-06-16 10:41:40 <aristidesfl> ius: sure sure...
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2094 2011-06-16 10:48:31 <ersi> ;;bc,stats
2095 2011-06-16 10:48:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 131230 | Current Difficulty: 877226.66666667 | Next Difficulty At Block: 133055 | Next Difficulty In: 1825 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 8 hours, 45 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1336493.99402677
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2104 2011-06-16 10:53:11 * diki is back
2105 2011-06-16 10:53:21 <ius> cuddlefish: Nice going at bitcoin7
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2108 2011-06-16 10:54:33 <ius> I tend to forget about csrf way too often when auditing. Fun if you can change someone profile, but way worse if bitcoin is involved
2109 2011-06-16 10:55:38 <diki> isn't bitcoin7 a scam?
2110 2011-06-16 10:55:39 <diki> a sham?
2111 2011-06-16 10:55:43 <phantomcircuit> ius, 90% of people do
2112 2011-06-16 10:56:50 <ThomasV> backupwallet does not work if I do not provide a full path ?
2113 2011-06-16 10:57:11 <ius> diki: No, but a collection of fail (float-format storage, csrf)
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2116 2011-06-16 10:58:29 <ius> phantomcircuit: Guess there's a few pool webinterfaces to be fixed too ;)
2117 2011-06-16 10:58:57 <Wuked> php fail ?
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2119 2011-06-16 10:59:22 <phantomcircuit> ffs
2120 2011-06-16 10:59:27 <phantomcircuit> someone just sent me an email
2121 2011-06-16 10:59:33 <phantomcircuit> "sent a deposit to this address"
2122 2011-06-16 10:59:41 <phantomcircuit> fucking shit isn't even in the birtocin wallet
2123 2011-06-16 10:59:43 <phantomcircuit> britcoin*
2124 2011-06-16 10:59:49 <phantomcircuit> it's like a joke or someshit
2125 2011-06-16 10:59:54 <ersi> "Tough luck, chump"
2126 2011-06-16 11:00:22 <ius> Not so much PHP related. And yes plenty of them should learn how to code (where csrf is the least of their issues)
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2129 2011-06-16 11:02:31 <Wuked> have you looked at the XenLand php front end code ?
2130 2011-06-16 11:03:06 <da2ce7> forum.bitcoin.org is sloooow
2131 2011-06-16 11:03:15 <da2ce7> we so need to fix it up.
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2133 2011-06-16 11:03:38 <Wuked> it's fast fast fast fast then slow
2134 2011-06-16 11:03:51 <Wuked> looks more like no more slots available
2135 2011-06-16 11:03:53 <ius> At it's derivative, yes
2136 2011-06-16 11:03:57 <Wuked> rather than a hardware issue
2137 2011-06-16 11:04:18 <Wuked> apache or whatever running out of slots maybe
2138 2011-06-16 11:04:35 <phantomcircuit> Wuked, it's slicehost being retarded
2139 2011-06-16 11:04:55 <Wuked> move it ? :D
2140 2011-06-16 11:05:05 <da2ce7> phantomcircuit, do we have any sats on howmany hits it gets a min?
2141 2011-06-16 11:05:22 <Wuked> "built for developers" hah
2142 2011-06-16 11:05:35 <ius> If they're retarded, it's overpriced retarded stuff ;)
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2144 2011-06-16 11:05:56 <phantomcircuit> ius, it is VERY overpriced shit
2145 2011-06-16 11:06:26 <ius> Still not sure where they'd have that edge over a carefully picked $7 provider
2146 2011-06-16 11:06:48 <Wuked> a $7 would just suspend the account and tell you to jog on
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2148 2011-06-16 11:08:19 <ius> Prejudice. I'm a fan of cheap VPS providers. Sure there's lots of crap, but pick one carefully and I don't see why you'd pay 200% or more.
2149 2011-06-16 11:08:29 <da2ce7> should use a strong dedicated server...
2150 2011-06-16 11:08:43 <da2ce7> and get a server in europe, asia, and us.
2151 2011-06-16 11:09:02 <da2ce7> serve the reqests localy
2152 2011-06-16 11:09:08 <da2ce7> from real metal.
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2158 2011-06-16 11:16:49 <test0r> hey i found malware in pc with a bitcoin miner
2159 2011-06-16 11:17:26 <spq> the malware was on the same pc or the malware was a bitcoin miner? ^^
2160 2011-06-16 11:17:44 <test0r> in the malware
2161 2011-06-16 11:17:52 <test0r> was a bit coin miner
2162 2011-06-16 11:17:55 <test0r> remote client
2163 2011-06-16 11:17:57 <spq> nice
2164 2011-06-16 11:18:01 <test0r> i found a config file
2165 2011-06-16 11:18:11 <test0r> with acces data
2166 2011-06-16 11:18:17 <test0r> to the bitcoin server
2167 2011-06-16 11:18:40 <quellhorst> test0r:  get their btc ?
2168 2011-06-16 11:18:49 <test0r> no
2169 2011-06-16 11:18:56 <quellhorst> that would be funny
2170 2011-06-16 11:18:58 <quellhorst> hack the botnet
2171 2011-06-16 11:18:59 <test0r> i don thave any bitcoins =9
2172 2011-06-16 11:19:07 <test0r> i m not very skilled
2173 2011-06-16 11:19:24 <quellhorst> oh wait, hack the botnet to change ownership and then have them mine for you
2174 2011-06-16 11:19:45 <wumpus> if it's the user/pass of an rpc service you could try a sendcoins, yeah :)
2175 2011-06-16 11:19:52 <wumpus> if it's the user/pass of an rpc service you could try a sendcoins, yeah :)
2176 2011-06-16 11:19:57 <wumpus> uh sorry for the repeat
2177 2011-06-16 11:19:59 <iera> test0r: can you upload it anywhere?
2178 2011-06-16 11:20:10 <test0r> i send it to a few antivirus company
2179 2011-06-16 11:20:50 <spq> paste the info here:
2180 2011-06-16 11:20:52 <spq> http://nopaste.info/
2181 2011-06-16 11:20:56 <test0r>  i dont want to send it everyone =)
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2183 2011-06-16 11:20:58 <spq> (the config)
2184 2011-06-16 11:21:31 <test0r> is there an amdin on?
2185 2011-06-16 11:21:46 <spq> gribble :)
2186 2011-06-16 11:22:11 <ius> You can direct your problems at gribble - what do you need an 'admin' for though?
2187 2011-06-16 11:24:12 <test0r> http://nopaste.info/5e9baacea4.html
2188 2011-06-16 11:24:35 <test0r> "hxxps://rapidshare.com/files/2102682240/data1.zip" PW: test123
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2190 2011-06-16 11:25:21 <ius> The hell what did they do to rapidshare, 05:00 waiting time
2191 2011-06-16 11:25:37 <test0r> http://www.sunbeltsecurity.com/cwsandboxreport.aspx?id=81196727&cs=064146865357E55ECB4537D32E167AEF
2192 2011-06-16 11:25:41 <test0r> malware analysis
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2194 2011-06-16 11:27:26 <ius> looks like poclbm, wrapped
2195 2011-06-16 11:28:15 <test0r> i posted it here http://malwareview.com/index.php?topic=2523.0
2196 2011-06-16 11:28:32 <test0r> yes, https://github.com/m0mchil/poclbm
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2198 2011-06-16 11:28:54 <test0r> my isp told spam mails were send from my network
2199 2011-06-16 11:29:01 <test0r> so i searched for a file
2200 2011-06-16 11:29:30 <test0r> but i think the bitcoin is only one function of the malware
2201 2011-06-16 11:29:46 <ius> It accessed a leaseweb server too according to the sunbelt report
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2203 2011-06-16 11:29:52 <Akinava> Dear, I printed out the two text boxes key and data file wallet.dat. To start a bit on which end contains the secret key?
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2205 2011-06-16 11:31:06 <test0r> i wanted to upload and  sunbeltsec told i were uploaded already
2206 2011-06-16 11:31:32 <test0r> i = the fiels
2207 2011-06-16 11:31:37 <Akinava> I know that in the last 64 data bits public key
2208 2011-06-16 11:31:37 <ius> Shit
2209 2011-06-16 11:31:55 <ius> Delphi again :x
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2211 2011-06-16 11:32:48 <Akinava> in the last 64 bits of key public key too
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2213 2011-06-16 11:33:12 <TommyBoy3G> how wallet encryption will be implented? Can we have, like passwords in our wallets?
2214 2011-06-16 11:33:49 <wumpus> yes the private keys will be encrypted with a password
2215 2011-06-16 11:34:46 <test0r> why "bitcoins" offers a bitcoin server?
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2217 2011-06-16 11:35:06 <test0r> we all no what happens then -> remote bitcoins miners
2218 2011-06-16 11:35:14 <test0r> no=know
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2222 2011-06-16 11:38:32 <iera> test0r: ? read the wiki to understand how it works en.bitcoin.it
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2230 2011-06-16 11:45:35 <test0r> money inveigles to illegaly activities, so i hope bitcoins takes action on this threat
2231 2011-06-16 11:46:39 <LameArse> inveigles?
2232 2011-06-16 11:46:52 <test0r> wrong word?
2233 2011-06-16 11:47:21 <test0r> seduces?
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2259 2011-06-16 12:09:07 <iera> test0r: dont know what you mean? there is no "bitcoin server"
2260 2011-06-16 12:10:43 <sturles> I think he means bitcoin -server or bitcoind.  It is for sending commands to your bitcoin client frm the command line or over a network protocol.
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2263 2011-06-16 12:12:27 <test0r> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_%28JSON-RPC%29
2264 2011-06-16 12:12:39 <iera> right
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2266 2011-06-16 12:13:24 <iera> and that is the way it should work, if people get malware with remote miners this is not a bitcoin problem
2267 2011-06-16 12:13:31 <iera> we cant shut down the api because of that
2268 2011-06-16 12:14:07 <test0r> so if someone steals $ from ur bank it not a problem for the bank?
2269 2011-06-16 12:14:35 <iera> that analogy fails a bit
2270 2011-06-16 12:14:42 <test0r> no
2271 2011-06-16 12:15:01 <iera> with mining on other peoples you dont steal money, only perhaps because of higher energy costs
2272 2011-06-16 12:15:16 <iera> *computers
2273 2011-06-16 12:15:21 <test0r> maybe the malware steals bitcoins
2274 2011-06-16 12:15:50 <test0r> i saw a forum topic at bitcoins "500 000 $ get stolen"
2275 2011-06-16 12:16:08 <iera> maybe but we cant do anything about it, its like your money is stolen because you didnt lock your house
2276 2011-06-16 12:17:20 <test0r> but ur locked ur house and u have a guard but the fucking trojan/malware what ever is undedectable
2277 2011-06-16 12:17:40 <test0r> so im now afk
2278 2011-06-16 12:17:48 <iera> that is an operating system problem
2279 2011-06-16 12:18:54 <test0r> k bitcoin is perfect
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2293 2011-06-16 12:39:07 <cosurgi> tcatm, sipa: transaction got re-broadcasted, and everything works good. :) Indeed it took about half an hour.
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2302 2011-06-16 12:50:18 <echelon> uint160 is for bitcoin and uint256 is for testnet?
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2304 2011-06-16 12:51:14 <wumpus> no
2305 2011-06-16 12:51:28 <wumpus> uint160 is for addresses, uint256 is for transaction hashes
2306 2011-06-16 12:51:44 <echelon> oh hmm
2307 2011-06-16 12:52:02 <wumpus> testnet is simply a clone of the bitcoin network, it doesn't use different types
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2313 2011-06-16 13:06:25 <Gekz> what's with bitches using bitcoin:// and namecoin:// as URNs
2314 2011-06-16 13:06:32 <Gekz> it should be bitcoin: and namecoin: with no slashes
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2316 2011-06-16 13:08:20 <upb> haha
2317 2011-06-16 13:08:22 <upb> indeed
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2346 2011-06-16 13:40:36 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rae1529454249 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/helperscripts/ (2 files): GPG: add helper plugins for mirc (thanks joric) and xchat (thanks asphodelia and me) http://tinyurl.com/3ejznqn
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2362 2011-06-16 14:00:40 <grand_grunt> my pool mining works
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2376 2011-06-16 14:10:00 <ericmock> grand_grunt: so now you're officially wasting electricity
2377 2011-06-16 14:10:06 <ericmock> ?
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2382 2011-06-16 14:14:49 <grand_grunt> ericmock: Yes. But, it won't be mine
2383 2011-06-16 14:15:07 <grand_grunt> Also, I think about buying some AMD GPU and make it join the pool
2384 2011-06-16 14:16:29 <genewitch> is there any way to make the bitcoin pool software less chatty?
2385 2011-06-16 14:16:49 <denisx> genewitch: -D 1
2386 2011-06-16 14:17:00 <genewitch> the protocol, even. Just everything writes too much stuff to HDD and transfers way too much over the network
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2397 2011-06-16 14:27:53 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: i cannot login on britcoin... i get an error about csrf mismatch
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2403 2011-06-16 14:30:26 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, what provider
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2406 2011-06-16 14:30:42 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: gmail
2407 2011-06-16 14:30:49 <Wayno> hi i am just wondering if there is a string to enter with the other data to mysql that comes from the clients that says wat block they are working on?
2408 2011-06-16 14:31:11 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, are you starting from the homepage and then clicking google or are you using a bookmark
2409 2011-06-16 14:31:30 <ali1234> i'm starting from the homepage and clicking google
2410 2011-06-16 14:32:01 <phantomcircuit> ok can you go to the homepage and copy/paste the url for google
2411 2011-06-16 14:32:04 <ali1234> then it takes me to the google login, i login, then it takes me back to britcoin and says "login successful"
2412 2011-06-16 14:32:07 <phantomcircuit> i guess the login page actually
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2414 2011-06-16 14:32:28 <ali1234> then as soon as a click on anything it immediately logs me out again and says "csrf token error"
2415 2011-06-16 14:32:51 <ali1234> what do you mean by "copy paste the url"?
2416 2011-06-16 14:32:53 <ali1234> which url?
2417 2011-06-16 14:32:59 <phantomcircuit> running firefox with noscript?
2418 2011-06-16 14:33:18 <ali1234> no
2419 2011-06-16 14:33:29 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, https://britcoin.co.uk/?page=login&openid_identifier=https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id&csrf_token=2d9593a24fbe18c55bfb42a4ea8dac56f1f88fcdbb0a580b59ab23d4640c372b
2420 2011-06-16 14:33:32 <phantomcircuit> should look like that
2421 2011-06-16 14:33:37 <phantomcircuit> go
2422 2011-06-16 14:33:38 <phantomcircuit> https://britcoin.co.uk/?page=login
2423 2011-06-16 14:33:39 <phantomcircuit> here
2424 2011-06-16 14:33:42 <ali1234> ok
2425 2011-06-16 14:33:49 <phantomcircuit> copy link location on google
2426 2011-06-16 14:34:00 <ali1234> https://britcoin.co.uk/?page=login&openid_identifier=https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id&csrf_token=019252f9170dea6b181aea72e001489077c772c7a06e9a65e5d7b7006a8b210c
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2429 2011-06-16 14:35:27 <ali1234> why are you caching that stuff?
2430 2011-06-16 14:35:48 <ali1234> it's now saying that i'm logged in even though it toally logged out of my google account
2431 2011-06-16 14:36:05 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, the csrf token is to prevent someone from tricking you into logging into their account with a csrf attack, then possibly having you make an incorrect deposit
2432 2011-06-16 14:36:20 <ali1234> um
2433 2011-06-16 14:36:23 <ali1234> what?
2434 2011-06-16 14:36:44 <ali1234> they would have to know my password
2435 2011-06-16 14:36:53 <ali1234> and then set their password to be the same as my password
2436 2011-06-16 14:36:54 <ex3ndr> Hello, all. I am implementing .net library for bitcoin and i am looking to a bitcoinJ script interpreter and there is mention about two-byte opcode, but there are no such opcodes at wiki
2437 2011-06-16 14:37:13 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, no that's the beauty of such an attack, it's THEIR openid, they can set it up without a password at all
2438 2011-06-16 14:37:22 <ex3ndr> where i could find some information about this
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2440 2011-06-16 14:37:39 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: no password != a password
2441 2011-06-16 14:37:53 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, i dont think you understand how openid works at all
2442 2011-06-16 14:37:55 <phantomcircuit> :)
2443 2011-06-16 14:37:59 <ali1234> unless you are telling me that openid accepts anything as a password for passwordless ids
2444 2011-06-16 14:38:14 <phantomcircuit> you would never even be prompted for a password
2445 2011-06-16 14:38:21 <phantomcircuit> it would simply log you in as the attacker
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2447 2011-06-16 14:38:42 <phantomcircuit> and then they hope you make a deposit into their account without noticing you are logged in as them
2448 2011-06-16 14:38:46 <ali1234> that's pretty amusing
2449 2011-06-16 14:39:03 <phantomcircuit> btw this attack works against the vast majority of sites accepting openid
2450 2011-06-16 14:39:14 <phantomcircuit> and apparently worked against /. which is why openid was removed
2451 2011-06-16 14:39:45 <phantomcircuit> unfortunately google's openid implementation is retardedly fragile so apaprently adding the csrf_token to the url has broken it
2452 2011-06-16 14:39:52 <ali1234> i don't understand how the attacker is able to insert their openid in place of mine
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2454 2011-06-16 14:40:21 <sipa> ex3ndr: i don't know about any two byte opcodes
2455 2011-06-16 14:41:08 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, you visit their website, lets say kitten-videos.com, they have an iframe pointing to https://britcoin.co.uk/?page=login&openid_identifier=http://evilpersonsopenidprovider.com/
2456 2011-06-16 14:41:13 <roconnor> sipa: I have successfully verified all the transacitons upto April 10th (the last time I download the main blockchain)!  My code ran in a little over 512MB of memory.
2457 2011-06-16 14:41:18 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, shazam you're logged in as them
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2459 2011-06-16 14:41:27 <ex3ndr> http://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/source/browse/trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/Script.java at lines 160-164
2460 2011-06-16 14:41:42 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: but if i visit a page that isn't britcoin and i see britcoin, why would i then think "oh, great, lets deposit some cash lol"
2461 2011-06-16 14:41:50 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, what are you writing this engine in again?
2462 2011-06-16 14:42:14 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: haskell
2463 2011-06-16 14:42:16 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, uh no, you dont see britcoin on their page
2464 2011-06-16 14:42:26 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: the funny thing is i've kind of seen this in action because i have two google accounts
2465 2011-06-16 14:42:26 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, you dont have a clue how openid works do you
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2467 2011-06-16 14:42:37 <ali1234> and i never know which one i'll end up in when i login to britcoin
2468 2011-06-16 14:42:54 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, can you login with either one?
2469 2011-06-16 14:43:03 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: don't start with the "you don't have a clue" or i'll have to bring up the way your order matcher works...
2470 2011-06-16 14:43:17 <ali1234> yes, i can log in with either one
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2472 2011-06-16 14:43:31 <phantomcircuit> and then you immediately get logged out?
2473 2011-06-16 14:43:42 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, lol the order matching works exactly as designed
2474 2011-06-16 14:43:44 <ali1234> heh, what i meant to say was, *yesterday* i could log in with either one
2475 2011-06-16 14:43:55 <roconnor> interesting, that two byte opcode isn't documented on the wiki scripting page
2476 2011-06-16 14:43:56 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, can you try logging in now
2477 2011-06-16 14:44:03 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: funny that's not what the email i got from genjix says
2478 2011-06-16 14:44:08 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, uh there is a 2 byte opcode>
2479 2011-06-16 14:44:29 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, id bet money i sent that email ;)
2480 2011-06-16 14:44:35 <phantomcircuit> hint
2481 2011-06-16 14:44:41 <phantomcircuit> <-- 99% of britcoin ops
2482 2011-06-16 14:44:45 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: that doesn't contradict what I said. ;)
2483 2011-06-16 14:44:53 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: so why did you write that it's a known bug?
2484 2011-06-16 14:45:17 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, it's not exactly a bug, more so it's unexpected undocumented behaviour
2485 2011-06-16 14:45:27 <phantomcircuit> if i was microsoft i would call it a feature
2486 2011-06-16 14:45:29 <phantomcircuit> lol
2487 2011-06-16 14:45:36 <ali1234> yeah so i can;t log in with either of my accounts today
2488 2011-06-16 14:45:36 <sipa> ex3ndr: you'll need to ask TD why those are there
2489 2011-06-16 14:45:37 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, there should have been a ? at the end of that
2490 2011-06-16 14:45:48 <sipa> ex3ndr: i can't find a mention of those in bitcoin's source code either
2491 2011-06-16 14:45:59 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, did you just try and login? because i dont see anything in the logs
2492 2011-06-16 14:46:05 <sipa> roconnor: nice
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2494 2011-06-16 14:46:19 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: also the email literally says "this is a known bug"
2495 2011-06-16 14:46:27 <ali1234> that's a direct quote
2496 2011-06-16 14:46:37 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: What I mean to say is that if there is a two byte opcode for scripts, it isn't listed on: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script
2497 2011-06-16 14:46:42 <phantomcircuit> yeah i probably said that like 95% asleep
2498 2011-06-16 14:47:00 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, OH
2499 2011-06-16 14:47:04 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: did you also send the email from genjix's email address?
2500 2011-06-16 14:47:06 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, that makes a lot more sense
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2502 2011-06-16 14:47:22 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, i might have the way the support system works is weird
2503 2011-06-16 14:47:30 <roconnor> however if it does exist, it would be good to document it there *hint to someone*
2504 2011-06-16 14:47:34 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: and then also sign it off "- Amir"
2505 2011-06-16 14:47:37 <phantomcircuit> i think the first person assigned the ticket is who all email is sent as
2506 2011-06-16 14:47:50 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, oh no then i didn't send that
2507 2011-06-16 14:47:56 <phantomcircuit> pretty sure amir didn't either...
2508 2011-06-16 14:48:12 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, there isn't a 2 byte opcode
2509 2011-06-16 14:48:26 <ali1234> then who's answering your webmaster@ emails?
2510 2011-06-16 14:48:30 <roconnor> oh whew
2511 2011-06-16 14:48:50 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, hopefully nobody anymore since it should bouce back telling you to go to support@britcoin.co.uk
2512 2011-06-16 14:48:53 <roconnor> that that makes ex3ndr's link a bit odd.
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2514 2011-06-16 14:49:15 <ali1234> hmm
2515 2011-06-16 14:49:20 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, have you tried to login again ?
2516 2011-06-16 14:49:37 <roconnor> It looks to me as if bitcoinj is broken.
2517 2011-06-16 14:49:38 <ali1234> yes, a few times
2518 2011-06-16 14:49:47 <upb> if there isnt any 2 byte opcodes currently allocated, that doesnt mean that the vm doesnt have the scheme to encode two byte opcodes :)
2519 2011-06-16 14:49:50 <upb> separate things
2520 2011-06-16 14:50:09 <phantomcircuit> ==> bad-page-reports.log <==
2521 2011-06-16 14:50:09 <phantomcircuit>  1308235461: profile
2522 2011-06-16 14:50:12 <phantomcircuit> huh that's strange
2523 2011-06-16 14:50:33 <sipa> roconnor: clearly that 2-byte rule is put consciously there
2524 2011-06-16 14:50:39 <sipa> in bitcoinj's source
2525 2011-06-16 14:50:45 <sipa> so i wonder why TD put it there
2526 2011-06-16 14:50:48 <roconnor> yes, ... it is strange
2527 2011-06-16 14:50:51 <roconnor> I have nothing like that
2528 2011-06-16 14:50:58 <sipa> as script.h does not have anything relating to it
2529 2011-06-16 14:51:03 <roconnor> and I don't see anything like that in the C code
2530 2011-06-16 14:51:08 <phantomcircuit> upb, the vm does not have any way to decode 2 byte opcodes, there isn't an extension bit
2531 2011-06-16 14:51:26 <upb> well
2532 2011-06-16 14:51:26 <upb> if (opcode >= 0xF0) {
2533 2011-06-16 14:51:26 <upb>                 // Not a single byte opcode.
2534 2011-06-16 14:51:26 <upb>                 opcode = (opcode << 8) | readByte();
2535 2011-06-16 14:51:26 <upb>             }
2536 2011-06-16 14:51:27 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, link to it in bitcoinj?
2537 2011-06-16 14:51:31 <upb> seems there is
2538 2011-06-16 14:51:37 <phantomcircuit> lol
2539 2011-06-16 14:51:40 <phantomcircuit> that's 100% wrong
2540 2011-06-16 14:51:54 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: i quit firefox and restarted it, now i am logged in ok
2541 2011-06-16 14:51:59 <upb> does it collide with one byte opcodes ?
2542 2011-06-16 14:52:10 <upb> i mean are there one byte opcodes in the 0xF0-0xFF range
2543 2011-06-16 14:52:10 <sipa> there are no real opcodes in that range
2544 2011-06-16 14:52:15 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, you probably had an old cookie for which no session exists
2545 2011-06-16 14:52:18 <upb> so there you go :)
2546 2011-06-16 14:52:32 <sipa> only the pattern matchers and an 'invalid' opcode
2547 2011-06-16 14:52:42 <roconnor> upb: they are fake opcodes for what it's worth
2548 2011-06-16 14:52:59 <roconnor> BTW, that reminds me, are transaction with illegal opcodes legal transactions?
2549 2011-06-16 14:53:07 <sipa> roconnor: no
2550 2011-06-16 14:53:18 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, well yes and no
2551 2011-06-16 14:53:20 <sipa> oh wait
2552 2011-06-16 14:53:27 <sipa> in outputs they are allowed i think
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2554 2011-06-16 14:53:29 <ex3ndr> i writed to Mike Heram about this
2555 2011-06-16 14:53:36 <roconnor> ya
2556 2011-06-16 14:53:37 <upb> as i read from the source, transactions that dont match the two approved patterns arent even forwarded :/
2557 2011-06-16 14:53:49 <sipa> upb: that's something else
2558 2011-06-16 14:53:49 <roconnor> upb: yes, but miners can still include them I believe
2559 2011-06-16 14:53:53 <sipa> indeed
2560 2011-06-16 14:53:55 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, yes invalid opcodes create an invalid script
2561 2011-06-16 14:53:55 <roconnor> I think I have a bug
2562 2011-06-16 14:54:00 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: oh?
2563 2011-06-16 14:54:02 <phantomcircuit>                 default:
2564 2011-06-16 14:54:02 <phantomcircuit>                     return false;
2565 2011-06-16 14:54:17 <sipa> phantomcircuit: where is that?
2566 2011-06-16 14:54:24 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: are you sure I cannot put illegal opcodes in my output script?
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2568 2011-06-16 14:54:38 <roconnor> I bet the outscript isn't even parsed
2569 2011-06-16 14:54:42 <sipa> indeed
2570 2011-06-16 14:55:20 <phantomcircuit> yes im sure
2571 2011-06-16 14:55:28 <phantomcircuit> invalid opcodes means the script returns false
2572 2011-06-16 14:55:44 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: yes, but the outscript isn't run during transaction verfication.
2573 2011-06-16 14:55:50 <upb> yea but at what point? when you try to spend it ?
2574 2011-06-16 14:55:51 <phantomcircuit> unless there is a case for all of the invalid op codes im missing
2575 2011-06-16 14:56:04 <kreal-> trying to configure Berkeley DB 4.8.24 but running into this error: awk: ./confSxqgsn/subs.awk:2: Unexpected token
2576 2011-06-16 14:56:04 <sipa> phantomcircuit: that code you pasted is from EvalScript
2577 2011-06-16 14:56:06 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, eh does it really matter?
2578 2011-06-16 14:56:07 <kreal-> any hints?
2579 2011-06-16 14:56:19 <ex3ndr> it seems that by default BitcoinJ accepts transaction if it uses some uninplemented (in bitcoinJ) opcodes
2580 2011-06-16 14:56:23 <phantomcircuit> do you really want to be creating invalid outscripts?
2581 2011-06-16 14:56:28 <ex3ndr> this seems to be wrong too
2582 2011-06-16 14:56:30 <sipa> phantomcircuit: which is applied to the concatenation of sigScript and sigPubKey
2583 2011-06-16 14:56:42 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: yes; becuase if my client rejects transactions with invalid scripts (as it does) then I coudl cause a chain fork.
2584 2011-06-16 14:57:00 <phantomcircuit> sipa, which is run when verifying transactions, no?
2585 2011-06-16 14:57:17 <sipa> phantomcircuit: for verifying their inputs, yes
2586 2011-06-16 14:57:31 <phantomcircuit> ah but of course outputs cant be verified
2587 2011-06-16 14:57:32 <phantomcircuit> lol
2588 2011-06-16 14:57:34 <phantomcircuit> that's nice
2589 2011-06-16 14:57:42 <sipa> ... you can't verify an output
2590 2011-06-16 14:57:52 <sipa> it needs an input to become a script
2591 2011-06-16 14:57:55 <gmaxwell> Using one of the unused opcodes for extentded opcodes seems like a pretty good idea. Kinda weird to just find it there.
2592 2011-06-16 14:58:08 <roconnor> if someone adds a block to the network with a TX with an invalid outscript, my client will refuse that block but the bitcoin client will accept it.  (I think).
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2594 2011-06-16 14:58:31 <roconnor> If so, this is bad, and one of the two clients will need to change.
2595 2011-06-16 14:58:34 <gmaxwell> roconnor: but no one has? seems doubtful
2596 2011-06-16 14:58:52 <sipa> phantomcircuit: there is a difference between "check whether a script evaluates to true" (which you need input and output script for), and "verifying whether a script is syntactically valid" (which would be possible for outputs only, but isn't done afaik)
2597 2011-06-16 14:59:11 <roconnor> (preferably bitcoin will change but probably my client will have to change ;)
2598 2011-06-16 14:59:50 <sipa> roconnor: i'd argue that it is actually the correct thing to do
2599 2011-06-16 14:59:56 <roconnor> I don't know, maybe it is even preferable to not check the outscript
2600 2011-06-16 14:59:58 <gmaxwell> if you can actually validate the entire blockchain with it, then bitcoin should change.
2601 2011-06-16 14:59:59 <roconnor> sipa: ya
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2604 2011-06-16 15:00:09 <knightrage> hrm.
2605 2011-06-16 15:00:11 <roconnor> I'm not sure which is best
2606 2011-06-16 15:00:17 <sipa> as it would make adding new opcodes very hard if they are considered absolutely invalid by all old clients
2607 2011-06-16 15:00:28 <sipa> s/absolutely/unconditionally/
2608 2011-06-16 15:00:36 <roconnor> gmaxwell: I think at the moment all outscripts are syntatically valid, so bitcoin could change with no harm done.
2609 2011-06-16 15:00:36 <phantomcircuit> sipa, should transactions with invalid outputs really be relayed? seems like a bad idea
2610 2011-06-16 15:00:43 <gmaxwell> They'd be considered invalid once actually used in any case.
2611 2011-06-16 15:00:53 <roconnor> gmaxwell: ya
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2613 2011-06-16 15:01:02 <sipa> phantomcircuit: well, relaying policy is something completely else
2614 2011-06-16 15:01:19 <sipa> we're talking about when is a transaction valid
2615 2011-06-16 15:01:22 <roconnor> I know It seems like I'm splitting hairs, but if we want to nail down the spec we need to answer these outragous quesitions. =)
2616 2011-06-16 15:01:24 <phantomcircuit> the miners make up whatever policy they feel like
2617 2011-06-16 15:01:33 <phantomcircuit> so the relay policy is really the onlyimportant one in mainline
2618 2011-06-16 15:01:40 <sipa> and invalid transactions aren't even accepted when they already are in the blockchain
2619 2011-06-16 15:01:55 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: no, because we shouldn't accept crackheaded blocks.
2620 2011-06-16 15:02:12 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, what?
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2623 2011-06-16 15:02:32 <phantomcircuit> well someone should go through the block chain and verify that those ops aren't used in any included transaction yet
2624 2011-06-16 15:02:39 <phantomcircuit> i vote not me
2625 2011-06-16 15:02:42 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: e.g. if someone mines a transaction which we can't validate because it uses crazy ops, then we should refuse to accept the block.
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2628 2011-06-16 15:03:00 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: there are none upto april-9th =)
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2630 2011-06-16 15:03:02 <roconnor> :P
2631 2011-06-16 15:03:03 <gmaxwell> I think roconnor already has because his client works.
2632 2011-06-16 15:03:16 <upb> the tx::AcceptToMemoryPool method is for accepting pending tx that are not yet in the chain right ?
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2634 2011-06-16 15:03:29 <roconnor> I haven't download the main blockchain since then.
2635 2011-06-16 15:03:30 <phantomcircuit> upb, yes
2636 2011-06-16 15:03:52 <upb> well that checks IsStandard
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2638 2011-06-16 15:03:54 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, btw i haven't forgoten about you
2639 2011-06-16 15:04:02 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: i'm logged in now
2640 2011-06-16 15:04:12 <roconnor> sipa: how about I hopen a github issue about this topic?
2641 2011-06-16 15:04:14 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, yes but i still want to know wtf was going on lol
2642 2011-06-16 15:04:19 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: i would like to discuss why you think the order matching is correct though :)
2643 2011-06-16 15:04:51 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: it may be because i have two google accounts and i also use multiple sign on so i'm logged in with both at the same time sometimes
2644 2011-06-16 15:05:01 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, the order matching favors sellers, the bid price is what your order will be fulfilled at, regardless of what other offers exist,
2645 2011-06-16 15:05:11 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, it's clearly unexpected behaviour
2646 2011-06-16 15:05:16 <upb> and IsStandard checks scriptPubKeys of all outputs
2647 2011-06-16 15:06:05 <sipa> upb: yes, that is about relaying rules
2648 2011-06-16 15:06:12 <sipa> and as said, those are pretty strict now
2649 2011-06-16 15:06:24 <upb> ahhhh
2650 2011-06-16 15:06:30 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: that's not favouring sellers, that's favouring one side of the transaction
2651 2011-06-16 15:06:31 <sipa> but a transaction seen in the block chain with unknown operations, is valid
2652 2011-06-16 15:07:00 <upb> the point is that the code in the reference implementation and a pool could be different ?
2653 2011-06-16 15:07:03 <upb> so the pool accepts it
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2655 2011-06-16 15:07:31 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: filling the order at the bid price isn't the problem, the problem is you fill the wrong orders :)
2656 2011-06-16 15:07:34 <sipa> pools/miners/anyone do what they want
2657 2011-06-16 15:07:42 <sipa> those are policies, not network rules
2658 2011-06-16 15:07:50 <upb> ok
2659 2011-06-16 15:08:09 <sipa> but if you encounter a block chain with an *invalid* transaction in, the network rule says you must consider this chain invalid
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2661 2011-06-16 15:08:50 <upb> then it boils down to what is considered an invalid transaction :)
2662 2011-06-16 15:09:05 <sipa> indeed
2663 2011-06-16 15:09:27 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, uh no actually you have that wrong, you can place an order to sell BTC @ 10 GBP and end up with it going through @ 12GBP
2664 2011-06-16 15:09:37 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: that is fine
2665 2011-06-16 15:09:42 <ali1234> i don't have a problem with that
2666 2011-06-16 15:09:52 <ali1234> the problem is that it doesn't always work
2667 2011-06-16 15:09:53 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, if you place an order to buy 1 BTC @ 10 GBP 100% of that order will be filled at exactly 10GBP
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2669 2011-06-16 15:09:56 <sipa> roconnor: about the unknown operations accepted in outputs?
2670 2011-06-16 15:10:04 <roconnor> ya
2671 2011-06-16 15:10:06 <roconnor> done
2672 2011-06-16 15:10:15 <roconnor> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/320
2673 2011-06-16 15:10:43 <roconnor> bitcoin issue tracker is where I but my observations about the protocol and let the languish :D
2674 2011-06-16 15:10:51 <roconnor> *let them
2675 2011-06-16 15:11:14 <roconnor> I started posting them yesterday
2676 2011-06-16 15:11:19 <roconnor> this is my third note.
2677 2011-06-16 15:11:23 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, describe, doesn't work
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2679 2011-06-16 15:11:40 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, orders are matched once a minute so there can be significant delay
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2681 2011-06-16 15:11:48 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: say there is an order to sell 1 btc @ 20 gbp and an order to sell 1 btc at 21 gbp
2682 2011-06-16 15:12:06 <upb> 'Should bitcoin transactions with invalid output scripts?'
2683 2011-06-16 15:12:08 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: thn say someone comes along and offers to buy 1 btc @ 22 gbp
2684 2011-06-16 15:12:18 <roconnor> oops
2685 2011-06-16 15:12:34 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: the order @ 20 gbp should be filled, the person who placed the order should get 22 gbp
2686 2011-06-16 15:12:48 <roconnor> upb: thanks
2687 2011-06-16 15:12:49 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: what actually happens is one of the two existing orders gets picked at random and filled at 22 gbp
2688 2011-06-16 15:13:01 <upb> i think you accidentaly the :)
2689 2011-06-16 15:13:06 <roconnor> yep
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2691 2011-06-16 15:13:32 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: and best i can tell, it happens because your SQL query is missing an ORDER BY line
2692 2011-06-16 15:13:35 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, yeah it's not fifo
2693 2011-06-16 15:13:56 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: so the order matcher fills the orders in a pseudo random way according to how the pop out of the sql server
2694 2011-06-16 15:14:00 <phantomcircuit> again that was by design i believe
2695 2011-06-16 15:14:12 <roconnor> sipa: making compatible bitcoin implementations is so hard!
2696 2011-06-16 15:14:16 <ali1234> filling orders in a pseudo random way is by design? seriously?
2697 2011-06-16 15:14:21 <upb> huh :P
2698 2011-06-16 15:14:41 <phantomcircuit> either way i have no intention of changing the way orders are processed on the current design
2699 2011-06-16 15:15:16 <ali1234> i don't really acre if you fix it but i can't accept that it is by design
2700 2011-06-16 15:15:19 <upb> whichever price is fixed during matching, shouldnt the orders on the other side be chosen in a non-increasing/non-decreasing way ?
2701 2011-06-16 15:15:20 <phantomcircuit> however hopefully that wont be an issue soon enough
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2704 2011-06-16 15:15:41 <phantomcircuit> ali1234, you cant accept that someone would design a matching system that is random?
2705 2011-06-16 15:16:06 <phantomcircuit> upb, that's how many people expect it to work, but that's not how it in fact does
2706 2011-06-16 15:16:10 <ali1234> phantomcircuit: it's not random, it's pseudo random
2707 2011-06-16 15:16:31 <upb> but whats the advantage of not doing that
2708 2011-06-16 15:16:37 <ali1234> the orders will mostly be selected in the same order they were put into the database, except whent he tables get rearranged
2709 2011-06-16 15:17:02 <upb> ohhhhh :)
2710 2011-06-16 15:17:16 <ali1234> what i can't accept is that someone would think doing this is a good idea
2711 2011-06-16 15:17:24 <upb> youre just doing a condition on where clause but dont order the matched orders ?:P
2712 2011-06-16 15:17:29 <ali1234> that's kind of implied if it was designed to work this way
2713 2011-06-16 15:17:43 <ali1234> upb: https://gitorious.org/intersango/intersango/blobs/master/cron/process_orders.php line 80
2714 2011-06-16 15:18:23 <sipa> roconnor: yes, and apparently satoshi even didn't want alternative implementations for that reason
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2717 2011-06-16 15:18:49 <upb> holy crap, where is all the locking ?:P
2718 2011-06-16 15:19:12 <roconnor> sipa: interesting; gavin seems to have the opposite view. I thought satoshi was also in favour of multiple clients ...
2719 2011-06-16 15:21:20 <upb> ah there it is in the end :)
2720 2011-06-16 15:21:43 <phantomcircuit> lol i have now been awake for 24hours
2721 2011-06-16 15:21:50 <phantomcircuit> time to celebrate with eggs
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2723 2011-06-16 15:22:14 <roconnor> sipa: this change will somewhat improve my memory performance since storing unparsed scripts takes up less memory than storing parsed scripts. =)
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2726 2011-06-16 15:25:00 <Enchilada> I made a Bitcoin transaction (sent 5 bitcoins with 0.01 fee) 3 days ago now, and it still shows as 0/unconfirmed. Why? I have downloaded all blocks. Have I been hacked?
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2728 2011-06-16 15:25:45 <gmaxwell> Enchilada: Why would you think you were hacked?
2729 2011-06-16 15:25:50 <sipa> Enchilada: did you close your client soon after send the tx?
2730 2011-06-16 15:26:24 <gmaxwell> Enchilada: also, what block number do you have right now? Less than 131259?
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2732 2011-06-16 15:27:00 <Enchilada> sipa: yes it may be. i was having some trouble sending them. I first tried sending out more bitcoins but the client kept asking me for more and more fees. But then I lowered the amount to 5 with 0.01 fee and it went through. and then may have soon after quit the client. I'm currently at 131256 blocks, which should be recent enough since my transaction was 3 days ago.
2733 2011-06-16 15:27:08 <Enchilada> gmaxwell: ^^
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2735 2011-06-16 15:28:26 <gmaxwell> It sounds like it may be the case that you shut down before your txn was transmitted someplace useful.
2736 2011-06-16 15:28:34 <sipa> Enchilada: keep your client open for a while, it will retransmit the transaction occasionally
2737 2011-06-16 15:28:35 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: i just noticed something extremely weird in relation to key generation stuff
2738 2011-06-16 15:29:05 <Enchilada> sipa, will the Mac client do that too?
2739 2011-06-16 15:29:07 <gmaxwell> Enchilada: as far as the fees— I'm guesing the inputs to your wallet are mostly very small payments?
2740 2011-06-16 15:29:09 <sipa> Enchilada: yes
2741 2011-06-16 15:29:37 <Enchilada> gmaxwell: well the amounts i've received were first like 1, 0.09, 5, 3, thereabouts
2742 2011-06-16 15:29:43 <Enchilada> but then also like 10, 20 or thereabouts
2743 2011-06-16 15:29:52 <Enchilada> i once sent out 0.0006 and once 0.26
2744 2011-06-16 15:30:32 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: which is?
2745 2011-06-16 15:30:39 <gmaxwell> hm. Not sure why you sould have been nagged about fees then.
2746 2011-06-16 15:30:47 <ex3ndr> why bitwise logic opcodes are disabled?!
2747 2011-06-16 15:30:48 <Enchilada> I tried searching for the address I sent to on blockexplorer.com but it's not finding
2748 2011-06-16 15:30:55 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: sec pasting code
2749 2011-06-16 15:31:00 <Enchilada> so it is lost forever and basically the system has ripped me off?
2750 2011-06-16 15:31:07 <Enchilada> or should I just wait?
2751 2011-06-16 15:31:20 <sipa> Enchilada: if it were on blockexplorer.com, you'd see it confirmed
2752 2011-06-16 15:31:28 <Enchilada> ah ok
2753 2011-06-16 15:31:45 <sipa> and the system does not rip you off, but your client considers those funds gone now, while the network doesn't (yet)
2754 2011-06-16 15:31:51 <sipa> don't worry, it'll eventually come through
2755 2011-06-16 15:32:03 <Enchilada> sipa, can I not force it to rescan sooner somehow?
2756 2011-06-16 15:32:24 <sipa> you don't need a rescan
2757 2011-06-16 15:32:28 <sipa> you need a retransmit
2758 2011-06-16 15:32:39 <sipa> and no, you can't force that (though maybe there should be an option for that)
2759 2011-06-16 15:32:51 <Enchilada> okay. i'll wait. hope it doesn't take too long
2760 2011-06-16 15:32:56 <sipa> wait an hour
2761 2011-06-16 15:33:00 <Enchilada> sure
2762 2011-06-16 15:33:10 <sipa> and make sure you have enough connections during that time
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2764 2011-06-16 15:33:33 <sneak> MtGoxWatcher (real time async non-polling osx mtgox trade monitor) is now open source
2765 2011-06-16 15:33:34 <sneak> http://sneak.datavibe.net/projects/mtgoxwatcher/
2766 2011-06-16 15:33:36 <Enchilada> i have 38 now
2767 2011-06-16 15:33:41 <sneak> contributions welcome
2768 2011-06-16 15:33:53 <sipa> Enchilada: that'll do :)
2769 2011-06-16 15:33:57 <Enchilada> nice :)
2770 2011-06-16 15:34:03 <gmaxwell> sipa: probably need peer rotation before manual retransmit makes sense.
2771 2011-06-16 15:34:11 <sipa> gmaxwell: true
2772 2011-06-16 15:34:32 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: this code should just create a key from a known privkey (that key is one of the debian-broken-openssl-prng ones so paste it all over the web as far as I'm concerned)
2773 2011-06-16 15:34:48 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: http://home.jrbobdobbs.org/mith/wtf.c.txt
2774 2011-06-16 15:35:20 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: on OSX the pubkey that's output is deterministic. same every time. on linux (debian stable) the output changes on every run
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2776 2011-06-16 15:35:28 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: it's just printing the raw pubkey
2777 2011-06-16 15:36:18 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: tried running it in valgrind?
2778 2011-06-16 15:36:19 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: and that's the same method bitcoin is using to get the raw pubkey from an EC_KEY
2779 2011-06-16 15:37:09 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: don't know how that'd help, i'm not freeing anything in that code and so little memory is being used i can't imagine it's stepping on itself
2780 2011-06-16 15:38:02 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: one big diff is the os x host i'm testing on is x86_64 vs i686 linux
2781 2011-06-16 15:38:29 <sipa> if you say it's determinisitic on one platofrm and not deterministic on the other, my "uninitialized memory" buzzer goes off :)
2782 2011-06-16 15:38:50 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: mine too, i'll double check
2783 2011-06-16 15:39:16 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: but i did run it through gdb and it looks to be doing things right (on a debug build of openssl so I can actually see what's going on)
2784 2011-06-16 15:40:04 <gmaxwell> ==7129== Invalid read of size 1
2785 2011-06-16 15:40:04 <gmaxwell> ==7129==    at 0x401AE1: main (wtf.c:50)
2786 2011-06-16 15:40:04 <gmaxwell> ==7129==  Address 0x4c2db31 is 0 bytes after a block of size 65 alloc'd
2787 2011-06-16 15:40:04 <gmaxwell> ==7129==    at 0x4A04896: calloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:418)
2788 2011-06-16 15:40:04 <gmaxwell> ==7129==    by 0x401A9A: main (wtf.c:46)
2789 2011-06-16 15:40:07 <gmaxwell> ==7129==
2790 2011-06-16 15:40:38 <jrmithdobbs> hah, damn it
2791 2011-06-16 15:41:10 <sipa> yup, same error
2792 2011-06-16 15:41:23 <genewitch> jrmithdobbs: trying to burn out your motherboard on the os x machine?
2793 2011-06-16 15:41:24 <jrmithdobbs> os x is way too nice about things that should error out
2794 2011-06-16 15:41:40 <jrmithdobbs> genewitch: what
2795 2011-06-16 15:42:19 <genewitch> i saw a big discussion a couple of days ago about the power manager keeping the CPU vcore up at MAX when not booted into mac OS
2796 2011-06-16 15:42:33 <genewitch> the mac techs call it  "DBU"
2797 2011-06-16 15:42:37 <genewitch> Death By Ubuntu
2798 2011-06-16 15:42:43 <genewitch> ;_0
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2800 2011-06-16 15:42:53 <jrmithdobbs> genewitch: and that has what to do with what I'm talking about?
2801 2011-06-16 15:43:05 <jrmithdobbs> genewitch: why would i pay for apple hardware and waste it on linux?!
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2803 2011-06-16 15:44:27 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, is that wtf.c
2804 2011-06-16 15:44:28 <phantomcircuit> rofl
2805 2011-06-16 15:45:45 <jrmithdobbs> maybe i should just let openssl alloc that buffer
2806 2011-06-16 15:46:57 <jrmithdobbs> yay fun magic OPENSSL_malloc instead of calloc makes it work even though it's the same damned size
2807 2011-06-16 15:47:00 <jrmithdobbs> annoying
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2813 2011-06-16 15:49:50 <jrmithdobbs> that'll teach me to not have valgrind installed on the linux test host ;P
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2818 2011-06-16 15:52:55 <joepie91> so, a concept on the breakins into Mt. Gox accounts. Mt. Gox uses GET requests for logging in it seems, which means that the URLs with your login details may possibly be stored in your browser history. If someone remembers the "have your friends been there" site that checked what porn sites your friend visited by a CSS browser history vulnerability... what if this was applied to Mt. Gox?
2819 2011-06-16 15:52:55 <joepie91> One could simply place thousands of invisible links on a page with every possible character combination as password (using forum usernames as base), and the link that was marked "visited" would be the Mt. Gox login. Send this back to the server, et voila.
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2822 2011-06-16 15:53:30 <anddam> hi
2823 2011-06-16 15:53:38 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: just changing the calloc to (*pubkey) = NULL; makes that openssl call do the right thing. didn't notice it'd malloc it if it was NULL. yay undocumented pieces of openssl ;P
2824 2011-06-16 15:53:47 <anddam> is it possible to specify listening port in bitcoin.conf?
2825 2011-06-16 15:54:03 <sipa> anddam: for RPC or for P2P?
2826 2011-06-16 15:54:06 <anddam> p2p
2827 2011-06-16 15:54:09 <sipa> port=
2828 2011-06-16 15:54:11 <anddam> rpc is listed at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin doesn't seem to
2829 2011-06-16 15:54:18 <anddam> , p2p doesnt*
2830 2011-06-16 15:54:24 <anddam> thanks
2831 2011-06-16 15:54:26 <sipa> hmm, maybe not documented
2832 2011-06-16 15:54:32 <anddam> you may want to drop it in there
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2834 2011-06-16 15:54:39 <anddam> and what -nolisten is about?
2835 2011-06-16 15:54:47 <anddam> p2p or rcp?
2836 2011-06-16 15:55:00 <wumpus> nolisten means open no p2p port
2837 2011-06-16 15:55:19 <wumpus> and don't advertise
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2840 2011-06-16 15:55:44 <anddam> wumpus: but still the client will open socket to other nodes
2841 2011-06-16 15:55:44 <genewitch> jrmithdobbs: i dunno you said x86_64 vs i686 linux
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2843 2011-06-16 15:55:57 <jrmithdobbs> genewitch: two different machines
2844 2011-06-16 15:55:59 <anddam> I have nolisten=1 and I see "connections=8" in getInfo
2845 2011-06-16 15:56:02 <wumpus> anddam: yes it will open outgoing connections, just not advertise
2846 2011-06-16 15:56:10 <underscor> http://boulder.craigslist.org/bar/2443001445.html
2847 2011-06-16 15:56:11 <underscor> haha
2848 2011-06-16 15:56:14 <anddam> I want to lock my testnet
2849 2011-06-16 15:56:20 <wumpus> if you want to connect to one of your own nodes use -connect=...
2850 2011-06-16 15:56:41 <wumpus> the testnet in a box example is very good
2851 2011-06-16 15:56:54 <anddam> in testnet-in-a-box second node connects to :18333 that is default
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2855 2011-06-16 15:57:50 <jrmithdobbs> you can also just comment out the seednode logic and launch with -noirc to make sure things you don't want to happen don't
2856 2011-06-16 15:58:35 <roconnor> what is testnet-in-a-box?
2857 2011-06-16 15:58:43 <ius> 17:52 < joepie91> so, a concept on the breakins into Mt. Gox accounts. Mt. Gox uses GET requests for logging in it seems
2858 2011-06-16 15:58:50 <anddam> seednode logic?
2859 2011-06-16 15:58:50 <ius> joepie91: Wonder where you saw that
2860 2011-06-16 15:59:00 <joepie91> ius, let me paste a screenshot here
2861 2011-06-16 15:59:05 <joepie91> I posted it in the "hacked" thread as well
2862 2011-06-16 15:59:05 <joepie91> 1 sec
2863 2011-06-16 15:59:20 <anddam> weird thing is I left testnet running on VPS and today I found balance to 0
2864 2011-06-16 15:59:25 <joepie91> http://owely.com/5sjc2i
2865 2011-06-16 15:59:28 <jrmithdobbs> how about stop reusing passwords
2866 2011-06-16 15:59:39 <joepie91> jrmithdobbs: why are you assuming that is the cause?
2867 2011-06-16 15:59:45 <joepie91> I don't reuse passwords, yet someone got into my account.
2868 2011-06-16 16:00:08 <jrmithdobbs> joepie91: because of the number of password dumps posted publically recently
2869 2011-06-16 16:00:13 <jrmithdobbs> eg, lulzsec just this morning
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2871 2011-06-16 16:00:29 <joepie91> jrmithdobbs: what does that have to do with mt gox?
2872 2011-06-16 16:00:39 <joepie91> password dumps are posted _daily_ on forums like hackforums
2873 2011-06-16 16:00:54 <jrmithdobbs> joepie91: also, GET vs POST doesn't matter when it's all going over ssl hardly matters
2874 2011-06-16 16:01:04 <jrmithdobbs> s/hardly matters$//
2875 2011-06-16 16:01:19 <joepie91> jrmithdobbs: have you actually read what I said?
2876 2011-06-16 16:01:26 <joepie91> and do you actually know how the CSS history vulnerability works?
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2878 2011-06-16 16:01:31 <ius> joepie91: Have JS disabled by any chance?
2879 2011-06-16 16:01:42 <joepie91> ius: no, I don't have JS disabled
2880 2011-06-16 16:01:51 <ius> Only way I could see that go wrong, since it hasn't got an action specified on the form (so it would default to a get, I guess)
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2882 2011-06-16 16:02:04 <joepie91> I'm not sure why it happens, but it's not a good thing
2883 2011-06-16 16:02:11 <joepie91> and opens up the user to attacks like mentioned above
2884 2011-06-16 16:02:20 <joepie91> it's essentially a really quick bruteforce
2885 2011-06-16 16:02:24 <jrmithdobbs> joepie91: i just saw your comment that just got repasted re: get vs post
2886 2011-06-16 16:02:32 <anddam> ius: yes, that's about validating html
2887 2011-06-16 16:02:34 <joepie91> it doesn't have to hash or connect to anything, just check a browser history entry
2888 2011-06-16 16:02:39 <ius> joepie91: Where's the related thread on the forums?
2889 2011-06-16 16:02:44 <joepie91> <joepie91>so, a concept on the breakins into Mt. Gox accounts. Mt. Gox uses GET requests for logging in it seems, which means that the URLs with your login details may possibly be stored in your browser history. If someone remembers the "have your friends been there" site that checked what porn sites your friend visited by a CSS browser history vulnerability... what if this was applied to Mt. Gox?
2890 2011-06-16 16:02:44 <joepie91> <joepie91>One could simply place thousands of invisible links on a page with every possible character combination as password (using forum usernames as base), and the link that was marked "visited" would be the Mt. Gox login. Send this back to the server, et voila.
2891 2011-06-16 16:02:46 <joepie91> let me get a link
2892 2011-06-16 16:02:50 <joepie91> 1 sec
2893 2011-06-16 16:02:59 <joepie91> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=16611.0
2894 2011-06-16 16:03:16 <jrmithdobbs> joepie91: lol, completely plausible
2895 2011-06-16 16:03:33 <wumpus> joepie91: that sounds serious
2896 2011-06-16 16:03:40 <joepie91> it is serious
2897 2011-06-16 16:03:42 <wumpus> joepie91: you should notify MagicalTux
2898 2011-06-16 16:03:46 <jrmithdobbs> joepie91: /msg MagicalTux
2899 2011-06-16 16:03:49 <joepie91> because, provided the history vuln is not fixed, it is possible
2900 2011-06-16 16:03:53 <joepie91> yes, I messaged him yesterday
2901 2011-06-16 16:03:55 <joepie91> he hasn't responded yet
2902 2011-06-16 16:03:56 <wumpus> instead of telling it here :P
2903 2011-06-16 16:03:57 <wumpus> ok good
2904 2011-06-16 16:04:15 <jrmithdobbs> joepie91: i think switching all the form methods to post is part of his coming backend overhaul
2905 2011-06-16 16:04:18 <jrmithdobbs> btw
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2907 2011-06-16 16:04:27 <joepie91> imo it shouldn't ever have been GET in the first place
2908 2011-06-16 16:04:27 <ius> It's just an awfully bit of html, relying on JS
2909 2011-06-16 16:04:37 <wumpus> hopefully with csrf tokens...
2910 2011-06-16 16:04:39 <gmaxwell> Is there a prefix version of that attack? e.g. e.g. they visited abcde  and you scan to see if they visited anything starting with a[bcdef..]?
2911 2011-06-16 16:04:40 <anddam> joepie91: it is not
2912 2011-06-16 16:04:42 <ius> jrmithdobbs: A login form with a post method, revolutionary, lol
2913 2011-06-16 16:04:46 <joepie91> gmaxwell: not that I know of
2914 2011-06-16 16:04:53 <joepie91> anddam: look at the posted screenshot
2915 2011-06-16 16:04:55 <anddam> the point is bad habit about developing sites that needs js to work
2916 2011-06-16 16:04:55 <jrmithdobbs> ius: inherited code
2917 2011-06-16 16:05:03 <gmaxwell> joepie91: then having a strong password is still sufficient.
2918 2011-06-16 16:05:08 <joepie91> gmaxwell: no it isn't
2919 2011-06-16 16:05:10 <anddam> joepie91: I did, I just checked it myself http://d.pr/prft
2920 2011-06-16 16:05:13 <joepie91> hashing functions are designed to take time
2921 2011-06-16 16:05:17 <joepie91> so it is hard to bruteforce
2922 2011-06-16 16:05:22 <jrmithdobbs> ius: doesn't make it acceptable but MagicalTux *is* working pretty actively to fix a lot of the crap code he inherited from the original owner of mtgox
2923 2011-06-16 16:05:27 <joepie91> a browser check for millions of links may take a few minutes
2924 2011-06-16 16:05:29 <joepie91> and that's it
2925 2011-06-16 16:05:30 <anddam> joepie91: still the website isn't using get, it's the lacking of a method
2926 2011-06-16 16:05:37 <joepie91> anddam: it is
2927 2011-06-16 16:05:41 <joepie91> this was taken when the login failed
2928 2011-06-16 16:05:42 <joepie91> during ddos
2929 2011-06-16 16:05:48 <joepie91> it would fail to completely login
2930 2011-06-16 16:05:51 <joepie91> and end up on this screen
2931 2011-06-16 16:05:56 <joepie91> several others have verified this
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2933 2011-06-16 16:06:08 <wumpus> you could easily verify it for sure using firebug
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2935 2011-06-16 16:06:12 <jrmithdobbs> joepie91: yes but having a hard to derive for dictionary attacks password still mitigates this problem
2936 2011-06-16 16:06:17 <jrmithdobbs> doesn't make it an acceptable problem
2937 2011-06-16 16:06:30 <joepie91> 20 alphanumeric characters in mixed case
2938 2011-06-16 16:06:35 <anddam> wumpus: verify what? the method used?
2939 2011-06-16 16:06:37 <joepie91> would be easy to check in a few minutes using this attack
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2941 2011-06-16 16:06:47 <gmaxwell> joepie91: how are you going to find Yif0zcdbGLhB6d3X with a css attack?
2942 2011-06-16 16:06:57 <joepie91> sigh
2943 2011-06-16 16:07:09 <joepie91> by "bruteforcing" through placing thousands of links at a time
2944 2011-06-16 16:07:12 <Enchilada> sipa: been 30 mins now. still no luck. let's stry 30 more minutes :S
2945 2011-06-16 16:07:12 <joepie91> and checking the link color
2946 2011-06-16 16:07:19 <joepie91> look into the css history vulnerability
2947 2011-06-16 16:07:19 <gmaxwell> ...
2948 2011-06-16 16:07:31 <joepie91> place a few thousand links, check them, replace them with thousand new links, etc
2949 2011-06-16 16:07:33 <jrmithdobbs> joepie91: that means the password still has to be vulnerable to some form of dictionary attack
2950 2011-06-16 16:07:33 <gmaxwell> joepie91: do a little math before making yourself sound like an idiot.
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2952 2011-06-16 16:07:40 <joepie91> jrmithdobbs: no.
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2954 2011-06-16 16:07:48 <joepie91> gmaxwell: prove me wrong.
2955 2011-06-16 16:07:56 <joepie91> never heard of haveyourfriendsbeenthere?
2956 2011-06-16 16:08:03 <sipa> Enchilada: see if your tx is visible on http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
2957 2011-06-16 16:08:09 <joepie91> checked thousands of sites in under a second
2958 2011-06-16 16:08:18 <joepie91> and sent results back to server.
2959 2011-06-16 16:08:23 <gmaxwell> joepie91: So you're going to do 3226266762397899821056 operations while the user sits around?
2960 2011-06-16 16:08:27 <joepie91> gmaxwell: yes.
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2962 2011-06-16 16:08:45 <joepie91> if someone has some random bitcoin-related site open in the background, that is feasible.
2963 2011-06-16 16:08:47 <gmaxwell> oh sorry 47672401706823533450263330816
2964 2011-06-16 16:08:52 <gmaxwell> No. it's not.
2965 2011-06-16 16:09:00 <joepie91> I sometimes have tabs open for hours.
2966 2011-06-16 16:09:06 <jrmithdobbs> disregarding the work involved in generating that list to begin with
2967 2011-06-16 16:09:09 <gmaxwell> You could leave it open for hundreds of years.
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2970 2011-06-16 16:09:34 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, you could probably go through a-zA-Z0-9 upto 8 chars in about a day
2971 2011-06-16 16:09:38 <Enchilada> sipa: yeah i see it there!
2972 2011-06-16 16:09:49 <Enchilada> why did it land there?
2973 2011-06-16 16:09:52 <phantomcircuit> less if you coordinated multiple iframes
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2975 2011-06-16 16:09:55 <joepie91> the point is that the artificial barrier of hashing functions taking time, is not present
2976 2011-06-16 16:10:01 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: yea, I used 16 for a reason.
2977 2011-06-16 16:10:04 <joepie91> there IS no artificial time required
2978 2011-06-16 16:10:11 <sipa> Enchilada: that's the list of transactions that are known but not yet accepted into a block
2979 2011-06-16 16:10:16 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, sadly most passwords are <8 chars
2980 2011-06-16 16:10:17 <joepie91> it just checks against browser history and that's it
2981 2011-06-16 16:10:21 <phantomcircuit> in fact >50% are < 6
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2983 2011-06-16 16:10:32 <Enchilada> sipa: yikes. what can be done about it?
2984 2011-06-16 16:10:35 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: < gmaxwell> joepie91: then having a strong password is still sufficient.
2985 2011-06-16 16:10:39 <sipa> Enchilada: just wait
2986 2011-06-16 16:10:51 <Enchilada> woot. been waiting for 3 days :(
2987 2011-06-16 16:11:00 <Enchilada> fuuuuuu
2988 2011-06-16 16:11:02 <Enchilada> nooooooo
2989 2011-06-16 16:11:04 <joepie91> gmaxwell: do you have any experience with this vulnerability at all?
2990 2011-06-16 16:11:09 <gmaxwell> joepie91: Yes.
2991 2011-06-16 16:11:14 <sipa> Enchilada: from the standpoint of the network, you've been waiting half an hour
2992 2011-06-16 16:11:17 <gmaxwell> I do in fact.
2993 2011-06-16 16:11:21 <joepie91> do tell.
2994 2011-06-16 16:11:34 <phantomcircuit> also css history checks have been patched in firefox for a long time
2995 2011-06-16 16:11:40 <Enchilada> sipa: ah ok
2996 2011-06-16 16:11:41 <phantomcircuit> (like at least 2 months ... )
2997 2011-06-16 16:11:43 <phantomcircuit> lol
2998 2011-06-16 16:11:44 <ius> jrmithdobbs: Operating an exchange like this is irresponsible and dangerous to bitcoin altogether I guess..
2999 2011-06-16 16:11:44 <gmaxwell> Whats to tell? I setup a history culler previously. whoptied do.
3000 2011-06-16 16:11:47 <Enchilada> thanks
3001 2011-06-16 16:11:52 <Enchilada> i'll keep waiting :)
3002 2011-06-16 16:12:01 <gmaxwell> joepie91: give me a number of passwords you think you could check per second
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3004 2011-06-16 16:12:28 <Enchilada> sipa: Is there no way to cancel it at this point? I ask because this is a payment i sent to MT GOX, and according to them I was supposed to send them this within 48 hours
3005 2011-06-16 16:12:32 <joepie91> (also, regardless of the CSS-based attack, using GET forms for logins is an incredibly bad idea, even if it's just because someone can look over your shoulder and see your password in the address bar)
3006 2011-06-16 16:12:39 <luke-jr> jgarzik: any ideas why Linux would be ignoring SYN to pushpoold for like 4 retries?
3007 2011-06-16 16:12:48 <Enchilada> sipa, if they receive it too late, i might never see the amount in my mtgox account :S
3008 2011-06-16 16:12:53 <luke-jr> while pushpoold is sitting in its poll loop idle
3009 2011-06-16 16:13:03 <sipa> Enchilada: if the transactions goes thorugh, and it's too late, send them a mail
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3011 2011-06-16 16:13:05 <wumpus> joepie91: I think we all agree :)
3012 2011-06-16 16:13:08 <joepie91> gmaxwell: tens of thousands if not more. I do not have exact numbers.
3013 2011-06-16 16:13:09 <Enchilada> sipa: okay
3014 2011-06-16 16:13:12 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, netstat -anp|grep pushpolld
3015 2011-06-16 16:13:21 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, if not dmesg|tail
3016 2011-06-16 16:13:25 <gmaxwell> joepie91: fine, lets take a million.
3017 2011-06-16 16:14:08 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, either way it's just bad practice to send user/pass in get
3018 2011-06-16 16:14:10 <gmaxwell> (62^8)/1000000/86400 = 2527 days  for 8 characters
3019 2011-06-16 16:14:15 <phantomcircuit> it shows up in history that way
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3023 2011-06-16 16:14:40 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: sure I agree, its a bad idea, I'm not defending it. I'm correcting joepie91's exageration of it however.
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3025 2011-06-16 16:14:55 <gmaxwell> He's claiming it could be used to crack strong passwords via a css attack. This isn't true.
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3027 2011-06-16 16:15:11 <wumpus> hm I don't see it in my history
3028 2011-06-16 16:15:32 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, only appears with failed logins
3029 2011-06-16 16:15:35 <phantomcircuit> where the page times out
3030 2011-06-16 16:15:36 <gmaxwell> joepie91: at 16 characters (62^16)/1000000/86400/365.25 = 1510647251591488 years.
3031 2011-06-16 16:15:55 <gmaxwell> joepie91: and thats at a million per seconds, and I promise you can't do that many.
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3033 2011-06-16 16:16:07 <Enchilada> sipa: wohoo "1/unconfirmed". thanks man. it's going through :)
3034 2011-06-16 16:16:20 <gmaxwell> joepie91: the css attack stuff normally works by having a previously known list.
3035 2011-06-16 16:16:33 <gmaxwell> joepie91: so having a strong random password would still be a good defense here.
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3037 2011-06-16 16:16:47 <sipa> Enchilada: if it's not shown at mtgox when it turns 6 or 10 confirmations, mail them
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3039 2011-06-16 16:17:04 <Enchilada> sipa: will do
3040 2011-06-16 16:17:24 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: nc seems to work fine :/
3041 2011-06-16 16:17:37 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, you sure it's actually connecting?
3042 2011-06-16 16:17:51 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: yes, I'm watching the tcpdump
3043 2011-06-16 16:18:07 <luke-jr> nc connects on first SYN
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3047 2011-06-16 16:20:46 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i would just like to say
3048 2011-06-16 16:20:47 <phantomcircuit> lol
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3051 2011-06-16 16:21:42 <joepie91> the joy of getting ddos \o/
3052 2011-06-16 16:22:54 <gmaxwell> joepie91: Do you see why I was saying that strong passwords would still be secure from the css attack?
3053 2011-06-16 16:23:29 <joepie91> yes.
3054 2011-06-16 16:23:56 <wumpus> why the whole argument, it's clear that login should use POST not GET
3055 2011-06-16 16:24:05 <joepie91> now assume someone uses 6 characters, alphanumeric but all lowercase (which a lot of people seem to do sadly)
3056 2011-06-16 16:24:09 <joepie91> and if I calculated it correctly
3057 2011-06-16 16:24:16 <joepie91> it would take about 37 minutes
3058 2011-06-16 16:24:29 <joepie91> @ 1m attempts a second
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3061 2011-06-16 16:25:07 <galaxyAbstractor> hey
3062 2011-06-16 16:25:15 <joepie91> bleh, if I disappear it's probably ddos.
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3064 2011-06-16 16:25:35 <midnightmagic> joepie91: ddos of which site?
3065 2011-06-16 16:25:36 <galaxyAbstractor> About proper money handling, would http://pastebin.com/32uSZGVP do proper roundings?
3066 2011-06-16 16:25:51 <roconnor> sipa gmaxwell: gavin has said that garable transactions are okay; although he seems to have not understood my point.
3067 2011-06-16 16:25:52 <joepie91> midnightmagic: my home IP.
3068 2011-06-16 16:25:53 <joepie91> >.>
3069 2011-06-16 16:26:08 <midnightmagic> wtf, anon still doesn't like you?
3070 2011-06-16 16:26:12 <joepie91> lol
3071 2011-06-16 16:26:14 <joepie91> it's not anon
3072 2011-06-16 16:26:22 <roconnor> oh well, what can you do.
3073 2011-06-16 16:26:26 <joepie91> it's anti-anon, rather
3074 2011-06-16 16:26:36 <midnightmagic> sorry..   i2p wannabe anon still doesn't like you?
3075 2011-06-16 16:27:06 <midnightmagic> oh that bites. sorry to hear it man. no way to force a new IP from your provider?
3076 2011-06-16 16:27:23 <joepie91> not i2p either :P
3077 2011-06-16 16:27:24 <joepie91> and well
3078 2011-06-16 16:27:24 <joepie91> no
3079 2011-06-16 16:27:33 <joepie91> I have to file a police report
3080 2011-06-16 16:27:38 <joepie91> before my ISP will assign me a new IP
3081 2011-06-16 16:27:49 <joepie91> and I want to figure out the name of one of the people attacking me, first
3082 2011-06-16 16:27:54 <joepie91> before filing a police report
3083 2011-06-16 16:27:54 <sipa> roconnor: he misunderstood, i think
3084 2011-06-16 16:27:57 <sipa> i'll comment
3085 2011-06-16 16:28:12 <midnightmagic> here what i have is two IP per cable modem, and then i reset the MAC to something else on my router and run a dhcp on it.
3086 2011-06-16 16:28:30 <joepie91> I can't really do... anything with my modem
3087 2011-06-16 16:28:30 <joepie91> lol
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3089 2011-06-16 16:28:40 <gjs278> what about your router
3090 2011-06-16 16:28:50 <gjs278> or do you get a static one
3091 2011-06-16 16:28:57 <joepie91> I technically have a dynamic ip
3092 2011-06-16 16:28:58 <joepie91> but
3093 2011-06-16 16:28:58 <roconnor> sipa: thanks.  I feel pretty dismissed :)
3094 2011-06-16 16:29:05 <joepie91> I will only get assigned a new IP if I am offline for 72 hours
3095 2011-06-16 16:29:13 <gjs278> my comcast is "dynamic" but as long as my router has the same mac I get the same ip
3096 2011-06-16 16:29:18 <midnightmagic> that would normally be the case here too.
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3099 2011-06-16 16:29:35 <midnightmagic> roconnor: is there a thread somewhere I can read about it?
3100 2011-06-16 16:29:47 <roconnor> midnightmagic: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/320
3101 2011-06-16 16:29:57 <joepie91> heh
3102 2011-06-16 16:30:03 <joepie91> mye
3103 2011-06-16 16:30:08 <joepie91> I think I'll be on this IP for a while
3104 2011-06-16 16:30:21 <roconnor> it's okay; It's that things over the internet always sound harsher than intended. =)
3105 2011-06-16 16:30:22 <midnightmagic> tnx roconnor
3106 2011-06-16 16:31:59 <midnightmagic> i like the fact that garbage outputs are okay. if someone wants to deliberately spoil their coins, there are two possibilities: they've built another client where the output isn't spoiled, or they really do want to spoil their coins. in either case, why do we need to stop them?
3107 2011-06-16 16:32:23 <roconnor> midnightmagic: well it isn't hard to spoil your coins with syntatically valid scripts
3108 2011-06-16 16:32:56 <roconnor> I haven't really though through the pros and cons of allowing syntatically invalid scripts
3109 2011-06-16 16:33:01 <roconnor> *thought
3110 2011-06-16 16:33:02 <midnightmagic> roconnor: i guess I'm curious about what the win is to reject them when it increases potential motility and future expansion possibilities to allow them?
3111 2011-06-16 16:33:14 <sipa> there isn't much difference
3112 2011-06-16 16:33:19 <sipa> if you use an unknown opcode
3113 2011-06-16 16:33:21 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: "built another client where the output isn't spoiled" > those outputs can't be spent regardless. So even if they have another client they are still spoiled.
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3115 2011-06-16 16:33:32 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: they could be spent in that other client.
3116 2011-06-16 16:33:44 <midnightmagic> so long as that other client mines their own blocks.
3117 2011-06-16 16:33:46 <sipa> you'll still need an updated client at every relay node and the miner when spending it
3118 2011-06-16 16:33:48 <roconnor> one this is that an opcode may become valid in the future, making the coins spendable =)
3119 2011-06-16 16:33:53 <test0r> joepie91 i recignize ur name =)
3120 2011-06-16 16:33:59 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: no because if that txn ends up in a block everyone will reject the block (or they damn well should if they don't currently)
3121 2011-06-16 16:34:05 <roconnor> *thing
3122 2011-06-16 16:34:36 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: ah i see what you mean. still, spending it into another blockchain is a possibility.
3123 2011-06-16 16:34:54 <joepie91> test0r: from where? :P
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3125 2011-06-16 16:35:20 <midnightmagic> currency conversion..  hey roconnor if you want to get gavin to reject them, start another block chain and begin spending coins into it via normally-illegal txn like what you're describing. :)
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3127 2011-06-16 16:35:43 <roconnor> midnightmagic: I don't follow
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3129 2011-06-16 16:35:56 <sipa> roconnor: anyway, maybe better you still open a forum thread about it (maybe together with all other vaguenesses/inconsistencies you've encountered
3130 2011-06-16 16:36:13 <gmaxwell> e.g. you convert X bitcoin to namecoin by doing a special bitcoin txn that the bitcoin network will never mine a child of.
3131 2011-06-16 16:36:21 <roconnor> I don't know.  I'm hesitant to get involved in that forum
3132 2011-06-16 16:36:25 <roconnor> it seems noisy
3133 2011-06-16 16:36:30 <midnightmagic> roconnor: the conversion of coins into another system which does in fact make use of the "garbage" txn outputs, where that other system accepts certain garbage as an input to its own system..
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3135 2011-06-16 16:36:45 <roconnor> midnightmagic: embrace and extend?
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3138 2011-06-16 16:37:13 <midnightmagic> yeah exactly. testnet was growing that way and they mercilessly axed the old testnet.. all those old mined coins are effectively dead now.
3139 2011-06-16 16:37:16 <roconnor> I'd have to invent new opcods
3140 2011-06-16 16:37:35 <gmaxwell> To be fair, that can't be stopped. They could just require the txn be spent to a nothing-up-my-sleeve address like that 11111.. one.
3141 2011-06-16 16:37:37 <roconnor> and if I tried to spend using the new opcodes there would be a block chain split.
3142 2011-06-16 16:37:43 <IoWn3rU> anyone here know how to work with JSON? preferably in C#?
3143 2011-06-16 16:37:44 <midnightmagic> there are some decisions made that are quite ruthless, from what i can see. some of the quotes about allinvain's coin theft were.. shockingly so.
3144 2011-06-16 16:38:00 <sipa> midnightmagic: explain?
3145 2011-06-16 16:38:04 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: true enough.
3146 2011-06-16 16:38:14 <wumpus> yes the forum is very hostile
3147 2011-06-16 16:38:21 <sipa> the forum is a zoo
3148 2011-06-16 16:38:25 <gmaxwell> Cesspool.
3149 2011-06-16 16:38:30 <test0r>  joepie9 http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Jun/75
3150 2011-06-16 16:38:32 <wumpus> we really, really need a new forum that's only dev+tech support
3151 2011-06-16 16:38:40 <gmaxwell> Animals care about their own survival, not the forum residents.
3152 2011-06-16 16:38:42 <wumpus> and link that from bitcoin.org not this one
3153 2011-06-16 16:38:52 <sipa> roconnor, wumpus: are you on the dev mailing list?
3154 2011-06-16 16:39:12 <wumpus> or alternatively just remove the forum link and replace it with a mailing list
3155 2011-06-16 16:39:21 <wumpus> sipa: not yet I intend to :P
3156 2011-06-16 16:39:22 <joepie91> test0r: ah yes
3157 2011-06-16 16:39:32 <roconnor> sipa: no; is it busy?
3158 2011-06-16 16:39:32 <joepie91> disclaimer: no, I'm not part of lulzsec
3159 2011-06-16 16:39:36 <sipa> roconnor: not at all
3160 2011-06-16 16:39:40 <joepie91> the moron who released the logs had no idea what the channel was about
3161 2011-06-16 16:39:41 <sipa> (for now...)
3162 2011-06-16 16:39:43 <wumpus> the forum is making some people really pissed and hampering adoption that way
3163 2011-06-16 16:40:06 <test0r> what was it about?
3164 2011-06-16 16:40:18 <joepie91> test0r: lulzsec released a statement
3165 2011-06-16 16:40:18 <joepie91> 1 sec
3166 2011-06-16 16:40:41 <wumpus> I'm also not part of lulzsec.. what's the point :p
3167 2011-06-16 16:40:59 <joepie91> http://pastebin.com/yut4P6qN
3168 2011-06-16 16:41:07 <test0r> wumpus take a look at the link i posted above =)
3169 2011-06-16 16:42:20 <wumpus> oh the so manieth 'lulzsec exposed'.. it's all disinfo :p
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3175 2011-06-16 16:42:50 <jav_> I'd like to be able to access the info that "bitcoind gettransaction" returns, but also for transactions that are not my own... where would be good place to start? I'm looking at Gavin's bitcointools, anything else?
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3180 2011-06-16 16:43:10 <midnightmagic> sipa: the replacement of testnet genesis; and relatively unsympathetic comments like those in the ars technica article about the theft.
3181 2011-06-16 16:43:35 <roconnor> what's wrong with the replacement of testnet?
3182 2011-06-16 16:43:38 <galaxyAbstractor> sendtoaddress 	<bitcoinaddress> <amount> [comment] [comment-to]
3183 2011-06-16 16:43:40 <galaxyAbstractor> those comments
3184 2011-06-16 16:43:45 <galaxyAbstractor> where do they appear?
3185 2011-06-16 16:43:48 <midnightmagic> it was starting to compete for mining attention with mainnet
3186 2011-06-16 16:44:00 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: were people trying to make testing into a competing blockchain? 0_o
3187 2011-06-16 16:44:00 <midnightmagic> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/bitcoin-the-decentralized-virtual-currencyrisky-currency-500000-bitcoin-heist-raises-questions.ars
3188 2011-06-16 16:44:11 <midnightmagic> no, but we were trading it around.
3189 2011-06-16 16:44:24 <midnightmagic> and selling them for real ฿ and so on.
3190 2011-06-16 16:44:35 <freakazoid> that's awesome
3191 2011-06-16 16:45:08 <midnightmagic> i thought so. difficult for testnet was skyrocketing, and I guess it irritated people that mining on testnet wasn't easy anymore.
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3193 2011-06-16 16:45:26 <midnightmagic> \o zooko!
3194 2011-06-16 16:45:31 <gmaxwell> It does make it hard to test things that require mining.
3195 2011-06-16 16:45:59 <jgarzik> galaxyAbstractor: the comments are stored locally in your wallet.  they are never transmitted on the network, never shown in the block chain.  receivers do not see the comments.
3196 2011-06-16 16:46:01 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: but now it's not a real testnet, it's more a..  cripplenet.
3197 2011-06-16 16:46:06 <roconnor> anyhow if you guys want you are free to continue mining the old testnet
3198 2011-06-16 16:46:14 <galaxyAbstractor> I see
3199 2011-06-16 16:46:20 <roconnor> you can either use an old client or patch the new one.
3200 2011-06-16 16:46:33 <midnightmagic> roconnor: it requires a carefully-maintained fork.
3201 2011-06-16 16:46:34 <wumpus> the current testnet is really crappy, I was unable to use it, transactions were consistenly getting lost due to chain splits
3202 2011-06-16 16:46:45 <sipa> jav_: that's possible to implement i believe
3203 2011-06-16 16:46:46 <wumpus> luckily there is testnet in a box which is great
3204 2011-06-16 16:46:50 <midnightmagic> wumpus: there were chain splits up to 5 levels deep!!
3205 2011-06-16 16:47:02 <wumpus> midnightmagic: yep :p
3206 2011-06-16 16:47:15 <sipa> jav_: fetch a tx from the chain, upgrade it to a wallettx (without adding it), and dump information about it
3207 2011-06-16 16:47:27 <linagee> Has anyone thought of protecting the availability of the bitcoin wallet executables/source? :-/
3208 2011-06-16 16:47:36 <linagee> How strong is sourceforge?
3209 2011-06-16 16:47:57 <gmaxwell> Someone was complaining last night that there is no way to authenticate the binaries.
3210 2011-06-16 16:48:06 <linagee> and that too
3211 2011-06-16 16:48:15 <gmaxwell> The sourceforge urls are HTTP, bitcoin.org is http. There are no obvious gpg signed hashes.
3212 2011-06-16 16:48:32 <midnightmagic> i think gitian is a step towards fixing that.
3213 2011-06-16 16:48:37 <wumpus> yes it reverted to http :/ https used to be possible on the main site
3214 2011-06-16 16:48:39 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: gpg-signed sha1 sums are posted with each release
3215 2011-06-16 16:48:39 <midnightmagic> i was really happy to hear about that.
3216 2011-06-16 16:48:47 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: ^^
3217 2011-06-16 16:49:01 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: I wasn't able to find them for .23 when someone was asking lastnight.
3218 2011-06-16 16:49:02 <midnightmagic> :-)
3219 2011-06-16 16:49:13 <wumpus> it's a cryptocurrency, it's really a pure shame some of us are still using old plaintext http :P
3220 2011-06-16 16:49:19 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: did you look in the 0.3.23 release thread?
3221 2011-06-16 16:49:21 <gmaxwell> Perhaps my googlefu is weak, but they should probably be more obviously linked.
3222 2011-06-16 16:49:29 <jav_> sipa: sounds plausible.. but I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the source code enough to get this done in a reasonable time.. so maybe I'll go the python way starting with the bitcointool source code... although I'm wondering if that will be too slow, if I want to do it for a lot of transactions
3223 2011-06-16 16:49:36 <wumpus> also some of the exchanges (luckily mtgox at least is https)
3224 2011-06-16 16:49:37 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: hard to get more obvious than that...
3225 2011-06-16 16:50:00 <linagee> gmaxwell: I think one nice thing at a bitcoin convention (like the one in august) would be distributing bitcoin on a CD. that way, at least its semi-more-authentic.
3226 2011-06-16 16:50:04 <roconnor> sipa: thanks
3227 2011-06-16 16:50:04 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: meh, it's the second post, and I think the forum wasn't responding.
3228 2011-06-16 16:50:19 <linagee> gmaxwell: oh, going to that august convention would be the perfect opportunity for key signing parties too
3229 2011-06-16 16:50:40 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: more obvious would be to link it on the website. :)
3230 2011-06-16 16:50:42 <sipa> jgarzik: maybe gpg-signed checksum on sf too?
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3232 2011-06-16 16:51:05 <gmaxwell> (the checksums, not the forum post)
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3235 2011-06-16 16:52:01 <jgarzik> sipa: yeah, I think that's what most projects do: upload [files] and then a signed SHA1SUM file
3236 2011-06-16 16:52:16 <wumpus> good idea
3237 2011-06-16 16:52:25 <jgarzik> sipa: I'll do that after lunch, when I upload your new builds
3238 2011-06-16 16:52:32 <linagee> jgarzik: I was really asking about the availability though, not necessarily the integrity.
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3240 2011-06-16 16:52:46 <linagee> jgarzik: how suceptible are sourceforge to outside influences?
3241 2011-06-16 16:52:55 <roconnor> sipa: at least gavin is clear on the issue now
3242 2011-06-16 16:53:06 <jgarzik> linagee: it's been hacked before
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3244 2011-06-16 16:53:52 <linagee> jgarzik: I guess it goes like this. you tell sourceforge to remove the project with a court order. bitcoin.org hosts the executable themselves. someone gets a court order to shut down the web host. bitcoin.org points to a new web host. then, same thing with DNS.
3245 2011-06-16 16:54:12 <linagee> what protects the bitcoin.org DNS?
3246 2011-06-16 16:54:15 <galaxyAbstractor> When sending money with JSON-RPC, how do you know if and pay transaction fee?
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3248 2011-06-16 16:54:32 <sipa> maybe we should put the bitcoin binary releases encoded in the block chain *DUCKS*
3249 2011-06-16 16:54:42 <freakazoid> don't even need a court order to steal a domain
3250 2011-06-16 16:54:52 <jgarzik> linagee: nothing protects the project from rampant paranoia and fear ;-)
3251 2011-06-16 16:54:54 <linagee> sipa: ok thats fine. existing users get to keep playing. but newbies? :-?
3252 2011-06-16 16:54:56 <freakazoid> hopefully someone will have made enough money on Bitcoin to fund a court challenge
3253 2011-06-16 16:55:02 <linagee> sipa: although I do like that though. lol
3254 2011-06-16 16:55:23 <linagee> sipa: protecting existing participants is important
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3257 2011-06-16 16:55:30 <jgarzik> linagee: "zomg government shutdown!!!!" is not a worry.  git clones are everywhere, protected by a block chain of their own.
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3259 2011-06-16 16:55:38 <jgarzik> linagee: bigger worry with SF hack + trojan binaries
3260 2011-06-16 16:55:46 <linagee> sipa: wait, just distribute a .torrent from node to node. then use bittorrent to download the updates. :)
3261 2011-06-16 16:55:53 <coinminer303> anyone mind helping me with pushpool.. getting upstream RPC error
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3263 2011-06-16 16:56:00 <linagee> sipa: better yet, a magnet URI. nice and short. :)
3264 2011-06-16 16:56:02 <jgarzik> linagee: pointless with all the git clones
3265 2011-06-16 16:56:07 * roconnor now has a bug to fix
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3267 2011-06-16 16:57:05 <linagee> sipa: whats fun about the client self-updating is that it can check the authenticity of the key. (assuming you had an authentic original before updates)
3268 2011-06-16 16:57:17 <denisx> jgarzik: I think my difficulty-2 code is now correct, but no miner does support it now it seems
3269 2011-06-16 16:57:18 <linagee> sipa: er, it can check the new updates are signed correctly
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3274 2011-06-16 16:59:12 <grand_grunt> I am trying to do a static compilation of cpuminer and have a "checking whether libcurl is usable... no" error, even if libcurl is installed. Does anyone have already tried static compilation of it?
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3277 2011-06-16 17:00:12 <TheZimm> ohai ericmock
3278 2011-06-16 17:01:04 <linagee> jgarzik: what does git clones get you?
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3283 2011-06-16 17:06:23 <coinminer303> ;;bc,gen 1300000
3284 2011-06-16 17:06:25 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 877226.66666667 , is 1.49058042174 BTC per day and 0.0621075175724 BTC per hour.
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3296 2011-06-16 17:20:47 <jeffasinger> is there documentation on the individual commands for the json api with more specifics somewhere than https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
3297 2011-06-16 17:21:31 <tcatm> jeffasinger: the sourcecode is open :)
3298 2011-06-16 17:21:44 <mologie> (that's a no)
3299 2011-06-16 17:22:20 <jeffasinger> alright, I'll start digging, thanks
3300 2011-06-16 17:22:39 <anddam> out of curiosity: I started my testnet and left it running on VPS, now balance is 0 and I see all transactions have a value of 50 BTC and are "orphan" category
3301 2011-06-16 17:22:47 <tcatm> The wiki is already complete and describes the data formats used.
3302 2011-06-16 17:23:13 <anddam> that's because my testnet started with a number of blocks and those get invalidated once the client connected to the public testnet, right?
3303 2011-06-16 17:23:39 <tcatm> anddam: right
3304 2011-06-16 17:23:45 <jeffasinger> tcatm: the wiki is missing a couple of specifics
3305 2011-06-16 17:24:02 <tcatm> jeffasinger: what's missing?
3306 2011-06-16 17:24:44 <jeffasinger> what json types are expected for a few of the calls
3307 2011-06-16 17:25:28 <jeffasinger> but actually, I probably should have assumed it would have been a real, given that almost all of the other calls use reals also
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3311 2011-06-16 17:26:34 <tcatm> jeffasinger: jep. json only knows about reals and integers
3312 2011-06-16 17:28:14 <jeffasinger> and any time a real is received, it always rounds to the nearest 100th?
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3314 2011-06-16 17:29:02 <tcatm> jeffasinger: nope
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3316 2011-06-16 17:29:19 <tcatm> jeffasinger: it's rounded to nearest 1e-8
3317 2011-06-16 17:31:42 <jeffasinger> ok, that makes a lot more sense
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3326 2011-06-16 17:41:03 <jgarzik> linagee: git clones get you decentralized, hash-secured source code
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3331 2011-06-16 17:44:06 <freakazoid> git is the bitcoin of revision control
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3334 2011-06-16 17:46:26 <edcba> "Japan-based Mt Gox Bitcoin Exchange" ?
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3336 2011-06-16 17:47:11 <justmoon> freakazoid: you could use a block-chain like mechanism to settle on an official version of the source as well
3337 2011-06-16 17:47:52 <freakazoid> true, though source code is more tolerant to varying views of which version is correct than a currency system is
3338 2011-06-16 17:48:12 <freakazoid> forking a project doesn't necessarily kill it. Forking bitcoin would be bad.
3339 2011-06-16 17:48:21 <freakazoid> You coudl fork the code, not the block chain
3340 2011-06-16 17:50:03 <justmoon> it's actually nice that you can fork the block chain even if you don't have >50% of hashing power
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3342 2011-06-16 17:50:24 <justmoon> miners have a tremendous incentive to increase money creation for example
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3344 2011-06-16 17:50:38 <justmoon> but if they can't convince users to stay on their fork, it doesn't do them any good
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3346 2011-06-16 17:53:04 <WantToBuy> ;;gpg register WantToBuy 3BA402C58F6069ED
3347 2011-06-16 17:53:05 <gribble> Request successful for user WantToBuy, hostmask WantToBuy!IceChat77@unaffiliated/wanttobuy. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a65b09772a858c26815b64037101f2c4ad19ad175afaa843c6719561
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3356 2011-06-16 18:02:55 <galaxyAbstractor> so, anyone? How is transfer fees handled when sending money using the JSON-RPC API?
3357 2011-06-16 18:03:54 <quellhorst> what sw was it that let you change pools easy?
3358 2011-06-16 18:04:29 <wumpus> galaxyAbstractor: parameter -paytxfee
3359 2011-06-16 18:05:03 <galaxyAbstractor> what happens if I don't include it?
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3361 2011-06-16 18:06:13 <wumpus> it defaults to zero, so I suppose by default it won't pay any
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3364 2011-06-16 18:06:56 <wumpus> lemme check
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3371 2011-06-16 18:11:10 <wumpus> galaxyAbstractor: it will pay the required minimum fee (so essentially clicks 'yes' where the client asks)
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3376 2011-06-16 18:11:46 <galaxyAbstractor> is it possible for me to know how much the fee will be?
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3378 2011-06-16 18:12:13 <wumpus> I don't think so, it depends on how the coins are distributed over addresses in your wallet, and which ones it chooses to send
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3380 2011-06-16 18:12:42 <wumpus> I guess the RPC mechanism should also 'ask for fee' somehow, too bad jsonrpc doesn't really provide a back-channel
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3386 2011-06-16 18:15:30 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,blocks
3387 2011-06-16 18:15:31 <gribble> 131284
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3398 2011-06-16 18:24:10 <relm9> anyone know why pushpoold would just hang on Listening on host?
3399 2011-06-16 18:24:18 <relm9> ports aren't blocked, no other errors...
3400 2011-06-16 18:24:37 <relm9> the *.log files are created but the .pid file isn't
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3406 2011-06-16 18:26:04 <min0r> another wallet.dat trojan / virus.... i hope devs put wallet.dat encryption as highest priority on next release by default or people will get scared away from bitcoin --- http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/report.html?id=c7976118f0a8e1b7046f49718b5f49933db582d72adf6d78e1d4efc043ec6377-1308136037
3407 2011-06-16 18:26:17 <min0r> no confidence = lower price
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3412 2011-06-16 18:29:12 <phantomcircuit> min0r, just like people will lose confidence in the financial system because their quicken files get stolen?
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3416 2011-06-16 18:30:55 <anddam> how does a trojan or virus specifically attack wallet.dat?
3417 2011-06-16 18:31:19 <tcatm> cat $PATH_TO_WALLET.DAT | mail attacker@domain.com
3418 2011-06-16 18:31:21 <_dr> well, it was programmed to do that
3419 2011-06-16 18:31:31 <anddam> it doesn't, it just gathers info
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3429 2011-06-16 18:41:46 <jav_> has anyone some experience with Gavin's bitcointools? I wonder how I can get the hash of a transaction... it seems like parse_Transaction() only fills the fields version, lockTime, ins and outs
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3431 2011-06-16 18:43:56 <galaxyAbstractor> the arguments of sendtoaddress should look like ["1KHTs795SKBd2yBfdfpf4BxArEq5RGrNZo", 1.01, "Comment"], right?
3432 2011-06-16 18:44:13 <tcatm> galaxyAbstractor: use sendfrom
3433 2011-06-16 18:44:20 <galaxyAbstractor> sendfrom?
3434 2011-06-16 18:44:29 <tcatm> sendfrom "account" 1KHTs795SKBd2yBfdfpf4BxArEq5RGrNZo 1.01
3435 2011-06-16 18:44:47 <galaxyAbstractor> oh
3436 2011-06-16 18:44:54 <galaxyAbstractor> but where do I get account from?
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3442 2011-06-16 18:46:38 <galaxyAbstractor> and what exactly is an account?
3443 2011-06-16 18:47:53 <tcatm> you can use the "" account (empty string) if you don't want to use accounts
3444 2011-06-16 18:48:16 <tcatm> basically, you can have multiple accounts in one wallet with different balances and adresses
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3446 2011-06-16 18:48:58 <galaxyAbstractor> I see
3447 2011-06-16 18:49:13 <galaxyAbstractor> what is [minconf=1]?
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3449 2011-06-16 18:50:26 <tcatm> minconf let's you control which coins are used (i.e. only coins with >= minconf confirmations)
3450 2011-06-16 18:50:38 <galaxyAbstractor> oh
3451 2011-06-16 18:50:50 <tcatm> you can use the default value in most cases and bitcoind will figure it out for you
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3453 2011-06-16 18:51:40 <molecular> sipa, I tested dumpprivkey and importprivkey. it seems to work, but importprivkey either takes quite long or doesn't return (don't recall which). is that normal?
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3457 2011-06-16 18:52:31 <galaxyAbstractor> Think I am pretty much done with my addon now, now to test it :D, how can I test it without involving real bitcoins, though?
3458 2011-06-16 18:53:24 <Titeuf_87> Use it on the testnet?
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3460 2011-06-16 18:53:55 <molecular> galaxyAbstractor, use -testnet
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3465 2011-06-16 19:00:59 <gmaxwell> It would be kind nice if we had import/export transaction RPCs to make it easier to spend money stored on a sneakernet connected airgaped machine.
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3467 2011-06-16 19:01:55 <gmaxwell> copy the blockchain over to the airgap system so it sees the txn it has..then do spends and export the spending txn ... carry to a networked system and import the txn
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3471 2011-06-16 19:06:08 <BTCTrader> what is rescanning the wallet?
3472 2011-06-16 19:07:50 <BTCTrader> i sent a payment yetserday that is not showing up in the client
3473 2011-06-16 19:07:58 <BTCTrader> that i heard might be an issue
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3477 2011-06-16 19:09:08 <gmaxwell> BTCTrader: it not showing up in yours or theirs?
3478 2011-06-16 19:09:15 <BTCTrader> theirs
3479 2011-06-16 19:09:17 <galaxyAbstractor> so I can use testnet on the currently running client without losing my BTC?
3480 2011-06-16 19:09:30 <BTCTrader> it shows up in block explorer
3481 2011-06-16 19:09:30 <gmaxwell> BTCTrader: does it show confirmed in yours?
3482 2011-06-16 19:09:37 <gmaxwell> okay, it's an issue on their end then.
3483 2011-06-16 19:09:44 <gmaxwell> How many blocks do they see?
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3485 2011-06-16 19:10:21 <BTCTrader> http://blockexplorer.com/address/1AmA6fBwddzLTRGow61EvmKx5fYPLPxvLh
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3487 2011-06-16 19:12:00 <gmaxwell> BTCTrader: in any case, if it's in block explorer and they don't see it either they aren't up to date with the network, or they need to rescan.
3488 2011-06-16 19:12:03 <wasabi1> Any idea on IPv6 support?
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3492 2011-06-16 19:12:28 <gmaxwell> wasabi1: there are a bunch of v4 assumptions in the code that need to get cleaned up.
3493 2011-06-16 19:12:28 <phantomcircuit> wasabi1, p2p protocol supports it, client doesn't
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3495 2011-06-16 19:12:37 <wasabi1> k
3496 2011-06-16 19:12:48 <BTCTrader> excuse my ignorance, how does one rescan?
3497 2011-06-16 19:13:47 <gmaxwell> BTCTrader: its really unlikely that they need to rescan, far more likely that they are behind. But you start the program with the -rescan option and wait a while.
3498 2011-06-16 19:14:14 <BTCTrader> should i ask them to install the newest version of the client?
3499 2011-06-16 19:14:36 <gmaxwell> You should ask them what block number they see.
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3501 2011-06-16 19:14:59 <gmaxwell> should be >=131288
3502 2011-06-16 19:15:47 <BTCTrader> oh on the screenshot i see
3503 2011-06-16 19:15:52 <BTCTrader> 128805
3504 2011-06-16 19:16:25 <gmaxwell> yea, they're out of sync with the network. Can you see how many connections they have?
3505 2011-06-16 19:16:36 <BTCTrader> 2
3506 2011-06-16 19:16:58 <phantomcircuit> thars yur problem
3507 2011-06-16 19:17:06 <galaxyAbstractor> I wont lose my current BTC if I start using testnet, right?
3508 2011-06-16 19:17:31 <BTCTrader> so a install the newest client and getting more connections should fix that?
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3511 2011-06-16 19:18:23 <phantomcircuit> galaxyAbstractor, theoretically
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3513 2011-06-16 19:18:41 <phantomcircuit> BTCTrader, the other person needs to install the latest client
3514 2011-06-16 19:19:13 <galaxyAbstractor> also, what happens if you send to yourself?
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3516 2011-06-16 19:19:52 <BTCTrader> thanks very much guys
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3519 2011-06-16 19:22:01 <Rassah> Hi... um... this place is dead, huh
3520 2011-06-16 19:22:08 <galaxyAbstractor> no
3521 2011-06-16 19:22:29 <Rassah> Oh. Just no +'s next to names..
3522 2011-06-16 19:22:48 <Rassah> Anyone know if (or why not) the scripts part of the protocol is (not) used in Bitcoin?
3523 2011-06-16 19:23:40 <Rassah> specifically this https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script
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3529 2011-06-16 19:26:00 <gmaxwell> Rassah: it's used, but the types of allowed scripts are filtered because of security concerns (which are not just speculation). Proving the scripts secure is hard work.
3530 2011-06-16 19:27:58 <galaxyAbstractor> how many blocks are there on testnet?
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3536 2011-06-16 19:30:44 <sipa> molecular: it can take a while yes, it needs to do a full rescan of the block chain
3537 2011-06-16 19:30:52 <sipa> molecular: if it doesn't return, you've found a bug
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3542 2011-06-16 19:34:01 <AntiVigilante> I'm getting "cannot assign requested address"
3543 2011-06-16 19:34:26 <phantomcircuit> AntiVigilante, running another instance?
3544 2011-06-16 19:34:33 p0s has left ("Konversation terminated!")
3545 2011-06-16 19:34:53 <phantomcircuit> AntiVigilante, more likely recently exited and still have TIME_WAIT
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3547 2011-06-16 19:35:18 <AntiVigilante> actually my comp rebooted an hour ago
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3549 2011-06-16 19:35:42 <AntiVigilante> how do I remove TIME_WAIT
3550 2011-06-16 19:36:05 <phantomcircuit> ou wait
3551 2011-06-16 19:36:09 <phantomcircuit> you*
3552 2011-06-16 19:36:17 <AntiVigilante> EXCEPTION: N5boost16exception_detail10clone_implINS0_19error_info_injectorINS_6system12system_errorEEEEE
3553 2011-06-16 19:36:18 <AntiVigilante> Cannot assign requested address
3554 2011-06-16 19:36:18 <AntiVigilante> bitcoin in ThreadRPCServer()
3555 2011-06-16 19:36:18 <AntiVigilante> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<boost::system::system_error> >'
3556 2011-06-16 19:36:18 <AntiVigilante>   what():  Cannot assign requested address
3557 2011-06-16 19:36:45 <AntiVigilante> how long do I haz to wait?
3558 2011-06-16 19:37:18 <phantomcircuit> system dependent
3559 2011-06-16 19:37:24 <phantomcircuit> but an hour should have been enough
3560 2011-06-16 19:37:34 <phantomcircuit> netstat -anp|grep 8332
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3562 2011-06-16 19:41:40 <AntiVigilante> nada
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3575 2011-06-16 19:53:28 <AlonzoTG> wen will 0.4 come out? I am eager to look at the code using kdevelop.
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3577 2011-06-16 19:53:51 <sipa> when it's ready :)
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3579 2011-06-16 19:54:33 * AlonzoTG was playing with the cpuminer code; it's a really nasty piece of work! 
3580 2011-06-16 19:55:03 <jgarzik> AlonzoTG: ?
3581 2011-06-16 19:55:07 <AlonzoTG> looks like it *REQUIRES* 32 bit operations and seems to be resistant to SIMD approaches.
3582 2011-06-16 19:55:08 <jgarzik> AlonzoTG: you found a bug?
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3584 2011-06-16 19:55:16 <AlonzoTG> No, just very complex.
3585 2011-06-16 19:55:28 <jgarzik> AlonzoTG: sha256 requires 32-bit operations, not cpuminer ;)
3586 2011-06-16 19:55:32 <sipa> AlonzoTG: if you find cpuminer complex, i advise you not to look at the bitcoin source :)
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3588 2011-06-16 19:56:14 <AlonzoTG> I like trying to puzzle it out, I've been stuck doing java web programming until I lost my job a month and a half ago, now I can spend my time working on algorithms. (YAY!)
3589 2011-06-16 19:56:48 <AlonzoTG> I think I was able to optimize out the variable t2
3590 2011-06-16 19:57:25 <AlonzoTG> Now my version looks like:     d +=	     t1 = h	   + e1(e) + Ch(e,f,g) + 0xd807aa98 + W[ 8];	 h = t1 + e0(a) + Maj(a,b,c);
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3593 2011-06-16 19:58:07 <AlonzoTG> So now my code looks nice and neat but it has extremely complex data-dependencies.
3594 2011-06-16 19:59:01 <denisx> is there a miner which supports difficulty-2 already so I can test it?
3595 2011-06-16 19:59:23 <sipa> each miner should
3596 2011-06-16 19:59:48 <sipa> difficulty-2 is just a lower target
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3598 2011-06-16 20:01:00 <AlonzoTG> I really can't wait for this code to mature just a little bit so I can start using it.
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3600 2011-06-16 20:01:16 <AlonzoTG> One of my concerns has to do with the dependency on db4.7
3601 2011-06-16 20:01:38 <graingert> MagicalTux: heya
3602 2011-06-16 20:01:51 <AlonzoTG> there needs to be a standardized version-independent protocol that can be maintained as the upstream libraries evolve.
3603 2011-06-16 20:01:52 <graingert> MagicalTux: is your database stored on RAID 1?
3604 2011-06-16 20:02:08 <graingert> MagicalTux: "[20:56] <+matson> What bothers me about mtgox is that they do not disclose their infrastructure.  I would like to know my data is on RAID 1, or something like that."
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3606 2011-06-16 20:03:35 <topi`> AlonzoTG: why do you get so excited about cpuminer? :) have you heard that only GPU miner is profitable?
3607 2011-06-16 20:03:54 <AlonzoTG> I was trying to understand the algorithm.
3608 2011-06-16 20:04:17 <AlonzoTG> Its important to have a good reference implementation as a testing reference for optimized versions.
3609 2011-06-16 20:04:41 <AlonzoTG> Also, I have a nvidia card.
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3611 2011-06-16 20:04:47 <topi`> AlonzoTG: it's simple. increment nonce in the 64 byte header of a block candidate until sha256(sha256(header)) < TARGET
3612 2011-06-16 20:05:02 <AlonzoTG> It appears, that to really make it fly, the optimal card is a Xilinx Vertex 6....
3613 2011-06-16 20:05:04 <sipa> block headers are 80 bytes
3614 2011-06-16 20:05:42 <topi`> AlonzoTG: I think somebody already implemented a miner on Virtex6 but that did not exceed 200 Mhash/s so it's slower than even my brother's 6870
3615 2011-06-16 20:06:19 <AlonzoTG> Also, I'm on gentoo linux, I don't trust anything except the Nvidia graphics drivers; has a Nvidia 470.
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3617 2011-06-16 20:07:06 <AlonzoTG> Maybe a native CUDA version could get full speed out of Nvidia hardware but then the CUDA compiler is seriously lagging and I can't support development right now cuz I'm using GCC 4.5.2
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3624 2011-06-16 20:13:03 <cuddlefish> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18020.0 *sigh&
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3639 2011-06-16 20:31:30 <galaxyAbstractor> is 18333 right port for testnet?
3640 2011-06-16 20:31:37 <denisx> yes
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3642 2011-06-16 20:31:47 <sipa> for the P2P communication, yes
3643 2011-06-16 20:32:00 <galaxyAbstractor> oh
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3645 2011-06-16 20:32:11 <galaxyAbstractor> but for the JSON-RPC, is it still 8332?
3646 2011-06-16 20:32:15 <sipa> yes
3647 2011-06-16 20:32:26 <galaxyAbstractor> I see
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3649 2011-06-16 20:33:47 <galaxyAbstractor> does anyone got a testnet address I can try to send some testnetcoins to?
3650 2011-06-16 20:34:27 <zamgo> mvYEnVegZW614NQR5zAXzsniCq6DyzeFjo
3651 2011-06-16 20:35:34 <galaxyAbstractor> hmmm, found a bug in my code :P
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3653 2011-06-16 20:37:14 <galaxyAbstractor> hmmm there
3654 2011-06-16 20:37:20 <galaxyAbstractor> think it's working
3655 2011-06-16 20:38:35 <galaxyAbstractor> yay
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3657 2011-06-16 20:38:56 <galaxyAbstractor> lol hehehe, Payment to yourself -0.06 +0.05
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3660 2011-06-16 20:39:57 <galaxyAbstractor> hmmm
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3662 2011-06-16 20:40:26 <galaxyAbstractor> When a transaction isn't possible, what HTTP status code does bitcoin return in the JSON-RPC?
3663 2011-06-16 20:40:40 <galaxyAbstractor> like if there isn't enough funds
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3665 2011-06-16 20:41:39 <robin_> i think 200
3666 2011-06-16 20:41:53 <galaxyAbstractor> hmmm
3667 2011-06-16 20:42:08 <robin_> but the error property will be set for sure
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3669 2011-06-16 20:42:54 <galaxyAbstractor> http://pastebin.com/SCXHNb8p
3670 2011-06-16 20:43:13 <galaxyAbstractor> It seems like the else block is run when there isn't enough funds
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3672 2011-06-16 20:43:50 <galaxyAbstractor> and the server is up, as it just did fetch the balance the moment before
3673 2011-06-16 20:44:03 <cacheson> wtf
3674 2011-06-16 20:44:35 <cacheson> linux version of bitcoin is a tarbomb  x_X
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3676 2011-06-16 20:45:27 <sipa> jgarzik: please update the version on slashdot :)
3677 2011-06-16 20:45:47 <sipa> cacheson: sorry for that, i fixed it already, but has yet to be uploaded
3678 2011-06-16 20:45:48 <robin_> galaxyAbstractor: i think it closes the connection on error, and the readystate != 4 then
3679 2011-06-16 20:45:57 <robin_> not to sure about that
3680 2011-06-16 20:46:07 <cacheson> sipa: ah, gotcha
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3682 2011-06-16 20:46:24 <sipa> jgarzik: and why do i say slashdot? i mean sourceforge
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3686 2011-06-16 20:48:49 <galaxyAbstractor> hmmmmm, I'm stuck for a bit then, I'm not good at solving these sort of things fast :P I will probably find the solution while dreaming anyway xD
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3698 2011-06-16 20:55:03 <DukeOfURL> i'm having trouble starting the Bitcoin client on a Mac.  Console continuously says "IRC got new address" and "IRC got join".  Has anyone else seen this?
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3701 2011-06-16 20:57:51 <molecular> sipa, it probably just took long, but I will retest
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3706 2011-06-16 21:01:40 TheZimm is now known as TheZimm|away
3707 2011-06-16 21:03:16 <BTCTrader> what is a message-digest-key?
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3710 2011-06-16 21:03:47 <BTCTrader> nm found on wiki
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3719 2011-06-16 21:10:23 <molecular> tcatm, is deine transaction-weltkarte noch am start? hab den link verlegt
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3721 2011-06-16 21:12:12 <forrestv> is there any rpc command that can give information about a given txn hash?
3722 2011-06-16 21:12:23 <denisx> gettransaction
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3726 2011-06-16 21:15:24 <forrestv> denisx, that only works for transactions involving addresses in the wallet the program has
3727 2011-06-16 21:15:30 <forrestv> i mean for all transactions
3728 2011-06-16 21:16:00 <sipa> doen't exist
3729 2011-06-16 21:16:04 <sipa> yet
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3732 2011-06-16 21:20:20 <AlonzoTG> om
3733 2011-06-16 21:20:31 <forrestv> if it did, what would it be named?
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3735 2011-06-16 21:20:44 <AlonzoTG> Where can I find open development tasks on Bitcoin?
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3739 2011-06-16 21:24:37 <cosurgi> wtf @ ljrbot
3740 2011-06-16 21:24:45 <cosurgi> luke-jr: what happens?
3741 2011-06-16 21:24:58 <luke-jr> everything dies
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3743 2011-06-16 21:25:02 <justmoon> AlonzoTG, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues
3744 2011-06-16 21:25:16 <cosurgi> luke-jr: #define everytning
3745 2011-06-16 21:25:49 <cosurgi> can't you just restart the bot?
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3747 2011-06-16 21:26:28 <luke-jr> cosurgi: it's working
3748 2011-06-16 21:26:29 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
3749 2011-06-16 21:26:44 <luke-jr> unlike gribble
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3751 2011-06-16 21:27:25 <sopla> hi
3752 2011-06-16 21:28:04 <sopla> does the poold.py work well for a small pool?
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3754 2011-06-16 21:28:53 <jgarzik> sopla: if you are friends that don't cheat each other, yes
3755 2011-06-16 21:28:53 <sopla> does someone know what the main differences between poold.py and the pushpool project?
3756 2011-06-16 21:29:06 <sopla> ah
3757 2011-06-16 21:29:26 <DukeOfURL> ;;bc,blocks
3758 2011-06-16 21:29:46 <DukeOfURL> !bc,blocks
3759 2011-06-16 21:29:47 <luke-jr> ;;help bc,blocks
3760 2011-06-16 21:30:00 <DukeOfURL> where's gribble?
3761 2011-06-16 21:30:10 <upb> flooding 2 months old trades :P
3762 2011-06-16 21:31:00 <sopla> jgarzik: do you known how many connections poold.py can handle? 10/50/100? any idea?
3763 2011-06-16 21:31:14 <sopla> well 10 is enough for me but :D
3764 2011-06-16 21:31:24 <jgarzik> sopla: plenty
3765 2011-06-16 21:31:35 <sopla> oki ;)
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3770 2011-06-16 21:34:04 <sopla> to use poold.py, I need to create a sqlite file with login/pass of the users? that's right?
3771 2011-06-16 21:34:22 <sopla> (looking at the code now :p)
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3773 2011-06-16 21:36:57 <sopla> and one someone find a block it stores credits in a share table? Then to redistribute it, I just need to check this table?
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3778 2011-06-16 21:37:27 <relm9> jgarzik: weird issue, i compiled pushpoold on centos and it starts up fine but just hangs on the listening part
3779 2011-06-16 21:37:32 <relm9> any idea what would cause this?
3780 2011-06-16 21:37:39 <relm9> ports are open
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3786 2011-06-16 21:38:07 <sopla> relm9, check your syslog file to know the error message
3787 2011-06-16 21:38:14 <thefiatfreezone> hey all .. may I ask what the current plans are for encrypting the wallet.dat file?
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3789 2011-06-16 21:38:33 <relm9> sopla ok thanks, will check it
3790 2011-06-16 21:39:01 <genewitch> ;;bc,stats
3791 2011-06-16 21:39:24 <genewitch> thefiatfreezone: that's more of an end user problem
3792 2011-06-16 21:39:27 <genewitch> IMO
3793 2011-06-16 21:39:43 <jgarzik> sipa: bah, my xchat scrollback has eaten your url.  what is that build url again, please?
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3795 2011-06-16 21:39:59 <jgarzik> IRC sucks :)
3796 2011-06-16 21:40:06 <sipa> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/builds
3797 2011-06-16 21:40:27 <genewitch> kick the bot
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3799 2011-06-16 21:40:34 <jgarzik> sipa: bitcoin-0.3.23.zip is win32?
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3802 2011-06-16 21:40:49 <sipa> i believe so
3803 2011-06-16 21:40:55 <jgarzik> genewitch: gribble is MIA until it finishes spamming #bitcoin-market with useless data
3804 2011-06-16 21:41:43 <thefiatfreezone> wow .. no matter what room I go to .. no one answers questions about anything .. they just say .. go somewhere else ... nice 'community' Bitcoin has
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3807 2011-06-16 21:42:08 <genewitch> jgarzik: haha! ok.
3808 2011-06-16 21:43:05 <darls> so here is an idea for the official bitcoin wallet
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3810 2011-06-16 21:43:09 <genewitch> why is wallet.dat the dev's responsibility. it's like calluing up the credit card company and going "now, what are you guys gunna do about me leaving my credit card on the table at the bar each night?"
3811 2011-06-16 21:43:16 <luke-jr> darls: there is no such thing
3812 2011-06-16 21:43:31 <genewitch> there's no official anything
3813 2011-06-16 21:43:46 <darls> ok the software downloaded from the bitcoin websuite that also has a wallet built in
3814 2011-06-16 21:44:05 <luke-jr> genewitch: no, it's like complaining that they insist you pay for a bill you didn't sign off on
3815 2011-06-16 21:44:14 <DukeOfURL> thefiatfreezone:  openssl des3 -salt -in wallet.dat -out ewallet.dat
3816 2011-06-16 21:44:28 <iera> DukeOfURL: he left
3817 2011-06-16 21:44:32 <luke-jr> anyhow, proper wallet encryption is a priority for 0.4
3818 2011-06-16 21:44:32 <sipa> des3? :o
3819 2011-06-16 21:44:51 <genewitch> luke-jr: with a password?
3820 2011-06-16 21:44:56 <sipa> yes
3821 2011-06-16 21:44:59 <DukeOfURL> sipa: what do you use?
3822 2011-06-16 21:45:00 <luke-jr> genewitch: username and password, even
3823 2011-06-16 21:45:02 <genewitch> pf
3824 2011-06-16 21:45:22 <luke-jr> genewitch: it might even be able to regenerate (new) wallets based on user/pass
3825 2011-06-16 21:45:26 <darls> i think it would be a nice feature to have a notes section beside each transaction to help keep the user organised.
3826 2011-06-16 21:45:39 <luke-jr> darls: there already is, isn't there?
3827 2011-06-16 21:45:54 <genewitch> 15 for 1 odds that a full 2/3rds of IRC and forum posts are "how do i recover my wallet.dat username and password"
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3829 2011-06-16 21:46:13 <genewitch> and then a hearty "fuck you and the community for not thinking about how stupid i am!"
3830 2011-06-16 21:46:29 <darls> luke-jr:"status|date|description|debit|credit"
3831 2011-06-16 21:46:37 <darls> no editable notes
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3835 2011-06-16 21:48:03 <DukeOfURL> encrypting wallet.dat isn't the end of the story.  i'm sitting here looking at my external hard drive used for automatic backups--it must have dozens of copies of wallet.dat...
3836 2011-06-16 21:48:33 <iera> and is that a problem?
3837 2011-06-16 21:48:57 <cosurgi> and I was just thinking that if someone can steal wallet.dat he can also easily install a keylogger to catch the password to encrypted wallet
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3840 2011-06-16 21:49:14 <iera> right
3841 2011-06-16 21:49:58 <cosurgi> this war will be worse than AV vs. viruses
3842 2011-06-16 21:50:13 <DukeOfURL> my Bitcoin client usually has 8 connections.  It was very slow to start today, and I have only one connection.  should i be concerned?
3843 2011-06-16 21:50:20 <iera> nothing helps if the os is corrupted
3844 2011-06-16 21:50:55 <cosurgi> eventually linux will win, or bitcoin will die becaus windows people will be robbed every second day
3845 2011-06-16 21:51:09 <genewitch> cosurgi: windows isn't that insecure...
3846 2011-06-16 21:51:29 <genewitch> cosurgi: my wallet.dat hasn't been stolen yet, for instance.
3847 2011-06-16 21:51:31 <vegard> I have a program to create an encrypted wallet with 1 address in it. run it from livecd on a disconnected computer... print out the encrypted wallet, burn it on cd, post it online. it will be safe (assuming your passphrase is safe) until you want to spend your coins.
3848 2011-06-16 21:51:32 <cosurgi> genewitch: yes, but only if you are smart & know how to use windows
3849 2011-06-16 21:51:35 <luke-jr> cosurgi: hopefully we'll come out of it with a more security-concious society
3850 2011-06-16 21:51:49 <denisx> jgarzik: damn, this littel-endianess is killing me ;)
3851 2011-06-16 21:51:56 <luke-jr> cosurgi: there's also a 3rd possibility though: dedicated Bitcoin computers
3852 2011-06-16 21:52:22 <denisx> jgarzik: next difficulty is not ...ffffe00000000, it is ...fffff7f00000000, right?
3853 2011-06-16 21:52:35 <luke-jr> denisx: next difficulty is tbd
3854 2011-06-16 21:52:45 <iera> luke-jr: or at least dedicated bitcoin os
3855 2011-06-16 21:53:16 <genewitch> denisx: i was trying to get that, but the bot is busy flooding
3856 2011-06-16 21:53:25 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * reeac872 / doc/release-process.txt : doc/release-process.txt: minor updates - http://bit.ly/jxHa6P
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3858 2011-06-16 21:54:16 <cosurgi> or, we could see bitcoin banks.
3859 2011-06-16 21:54:23 <genewitch> those exist
3860 2011-06-16 21:54:26 <jgarzik> sipa: updated sourceforge
3861 2011-06-16 21:54:31 <genewitch> if you mean what i think you mean
3862 2011-06-16 21:54:38 <jgarzik> sipa: let me know if you see any references to older verions on there
3863 2011-06-16 21:54:40 <cosurgi> yes - I know - that just do one thing: keep wallet safe.
3864 2011-06-16 21:54:48 <cosurgi> but it must be more sophisticated.
3865 2011-06-16 21:54:53 <genewitch> cosurgi: so write it
3866 2011-06-16 21:54:55 <cosurgi> and must earn trust
3867 2011-06-16 21:54:59 <luke-jr> encryption should be good enough I think?
3868 2011-06-16 21:55:10 <luke-jr> how often do you hear crackers hacking online banking via keyloggers?
3869 2011-06-16 21:55:18 <iera> never heard of it
3870 2011-06-16 21:55:19 <iera> :p
3871 2011-06-16 21:55:43 <iera> no that exists i think
3872 2011-06-16 21:55:47 <genewitch> luke-jr: mitm, data theft, etc but keyloggers? they don't use passwords for that stuff
3873 2011-06-16 21:55:57 <genewitch> it's all keys
3874 2011-06-16 21:56:09 <luke-jr> genewitch: …
3875 2011-06-16 21:56:13 <luke-jr> you don't use banks, do you?
3876 2011-06-16 21:56:17 <iera> but yeah, banks need trust, cosurgi in the end perhaps with a real building etc
3877 2011-06-16 21:56:22 <genewitch> which? you mean for a user to login?
3878 2011-06-16 21:56:26 <luke-jr> duh
3879 2011-06-16 21:56:38 <genewitch> well keyloggers will defeat that, what are you talking about
3880 2011-06-16 21:56:44 * luke-jr facepalms
3881 2011-06-16 21:56:51 <genewitch> i thought you meant the banks themselves :-)
3882 2011-06-16 21:57:07 <luke-jr> genewitch: the point is I've never heard of someone usign a keylogger to do it
3883 2011-06-16 21:57:21 <luke-jr> but then, I guess that might be partially due to the ability to trace his activities
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3887 2011-06-16 21:58:19 <genewitch> i don't get why "remote code exploits" are a bigger concern than wallet.dat theft
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3891 2011-06-16 22:00:40 <relm9> found the issue finally, seems pushpoold doesn't want to connect to mysql on a non standard port
3892 2011-06-16 22:00:49 <relm9> switching to the default 3306 worked
3893 2011-06-16 22:00:54 <relm9> wont connect on 3307
3894 2011-06-16 22:01:27 <cosurgi> hmm.. my server with bitcoind with open p2p port died, and I can't restart it, because I'm not there. I need some IP to connect my client to.
3895 2011-06-16 22:01:42 <cosurgi> when I just start it, it sits there with 0 connections for 1 hour
3896 2011-06-16 22:02:13 <gribble> 131306
3897 2011-06-16 22:02:18 <cosurgi> anybody here can give me an IP with open p2p port, where I could connect ?
3898 2011-06-16 22:02:19 <gribble> 131306
3899 2011-06-16 22:02:21 <gribble> (bc,blocks <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch http://blockexplorer.com/q/getblockcount".
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3901 2011-06-16 22:02:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 131308 | Current Difficulty: 877226.66666667 | Next Difficulty At Block: 133055 | Next Difficulty In: 1747 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 12 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1236258.40964364
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3904 2011-06-16 22:03:15 <genewitch>  Next Difficulty Estimate:
3905 2011-06-16 22:03:17 <genewitch>                 1236258.40964364
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3907 2011-06-16 22:03:40 <genewitch> haha figutes he'd spout off in here the second i paste
3908 2011-06-16 22:04:11 <cosurgi> oh, it has a connection now. neverimid
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3914 2011-06-16 22:08:22 <denisx> is EASY_TARGET a mask or is simply to test if the hash is small enough?
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3923 2011-06-16 22:12:06 <DukeOfURL> i'm looking at my Bitcoin client and debug.log. Continuous "IRC got join","AddAddress()","IRC got new address".  what is it trying to do?
3924 2011-06-16 22:13:11 <BlueMatt> its sitting in the bitcoin irc chan and looking for addresses to fill addr.dat with
3925 2011-06-16 22:14:01 <DukeOfURL> BlueMatt: and not finding an address?  it's been doing this for over an hour
3926 2011-06-16 22:14:21 <BlueMatt> AddAddress means it found a new one
3927 2011-06-16 22:14:30 <BlueMatt> its always trying to get as many as possible (probably foolishly)
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3929 2011-06-16 22:15:10 <DukeOfURL> BlueMatt: the client is reporting 2 connections, it usually has 8
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3931 2011-06-16 22:15:41 <BlueMatt> it only tries to make 8 connections, but tries to learn about as many possible nodes
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3933 2011-06-16 22:15:51 <DukeOfURL> ok
3934 2011-06-16 22:16:57 <DukeOfURL> my addr.dat is 20MB, so I guess it has some addresses :-)
3935 2011-06-16 22:17:18 <BlueMatt> just a few ;)
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3941 2011-06-16 22:20:55 <DukeOfURL> check my reasoning--I'm moving my bitcoins to my local wallet rather than leaving them on mtgox, because mtgox has a much larger exposure, what with no parental supervision at LulzSec
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3945 2011-06-16 22:21:51 <DukeOfURL> etc.
3946 2011-06-16 22:21:56 <BlueMatt> as long as your local wallet has >= data redundancy of mtgox and good security (ie savings wallet encrypted and never decrypted  unless needed)
3947 2011-06-16 22:22:10 <DukeOfURL> doing that
3948 2011-06-16 22:22:26 <BlueMatt> sounds alright to me
3949 2011-06-16 22:24:12 <luke-jr> wtf is LulzSec
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3951 2011-06-16 22:24:44 <genewitch> luke-jr: script kiddies with a literal request line
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3954 2011-06-16 22:24:58 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: google?
3955 2011-06-16 22:25:08 <DukeOfURL> breaking into sites and then posting logins, passwords, etc.
3956 2011-06-16 22:25:16 <upb> not to mention ddos
3957 2011-06-16 22:25:21 <genewitch> they're targetting the CIA right now
3958 2011-06-16 22:26:01 <DukeOfURL> as the doors slide open at the Wyoming missile silos...
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3961 2011-06-16 22:27:55 <luke-jr> tcatm is DoSing both bitcoin irc bots -.-
3962 2011-06-16 22:28:01 <luke-jr> ;;ping
3963 2011-06-16 22:28:01 <gribble> pong
3964 2011-06-16 22:28:07 <luke-jr> well, I guess gribble caught up
3965 2011-06-16 22:28:10 <luke-jr> sigh
3966 2011-06-16 22:28:54 <luke-jr> wtf, PayPal is sending bank statements now?
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3968 2011-06-16 22:30:28 <Kireji> anyone have info on why the market has settled in to 19-20 range?
3969 2011-06-16 22:30:42 <luke-jr> I told it to.
3970 2011-06-16 22:30:47 <sturles> It hasn't.  18.5 now.
3971 2011-06-16 22:31:06 <Kireji> have the few people with deep poc... hmmm
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3973 2011-06-16 22:32:47 <Jamesb1> hello, i've tried to split a part of code in the gui for reuse and wasn't able because references are bad, here is my try: http://pastebin.com/Tsirnd0X (i would like to reuse the search code somewhere else)
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3977 2011-06-16 22:35:47 <Jamesb1> I'm not really aware of the use of iterator in C++, so as far as I know I guess the mi->second won't be allocated in the outter scope of the function, right?
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3979 2011-06-16 22:36:36 <DukeOfURL> has anyone used the java bitcoin client?  are there problems with it?
3980 2011-06-16 22:36:41 <DukeOfURL> http://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/
3981 2011-06-16 22:37:39 <luke-jr> it's Java
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3983 2011-06-16 22:38:48 <DukeOfURL> has anyone tested with it?
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3985 2011-06-16 22:39:13 <genewitch> DukeOfURL: there's more than one
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3988 2011-06-16 22:41:36 <upb> is it possible to compile bitcoin with msvs on windows ?
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4008 2011-06-16 22:51:19 <upb> Jamesb1: what do you mean by mi->second allocated?
4009 2011-06-16 22:51:40 <upb> wtx is constructed at line 8 and then assigned in 17
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4011 2011-06-16 22:52:51 <upb> 41.    return wtx; // Pointed object is lost because mi has been freed?
4012 2011-06-16 22:53:00 <upb> ^_ nope, as long as its in the map
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4017 2011-06-16 22:57:00 <Jamesb1> upb: i mean because the code uses an iterator I think it allocate the "pair" object for the iterator only so it may not exist after the scoped is out of the critical block
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4019 2011-06-16 22:58:10 <Jamesb1> by pair I mean the mi object; but maybe mi->second is the real object in the map and so the pointer wtx will be consistent even exiting the function
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4041 2011-06-16 23:12:59 <upb> Jamesb1: actually youre correct, the object is copied
4042 2011-06-16 23:13:41 <Jamesb1> ok, so that mean my pointer will be inconsistent and the program will segv if I'm right
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4046 2011-06-16 23:13:58 <upb> yep
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4049 2011-06-16 23:15:07 <loopyduck> does each installation of bitcoin contain its own personal private key?
4050 2011-06-16 23:15:09 <Jamesb1> so there must be a solution to cleanly return the objet if it is found or null if it isn't but we don't want to copy a whole CWalletTx object
4051 2011-06-16 23:15:15 <upb> you could return either 0 or a copy on the heap that the caller takes ownership of
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4053 2011-06-16 23:15:59 <Jamesb1> you mean to alloc in the function and return a pointer on it and let the parent free it?
4054 2011-06-16 23:16:04 <upb> yep
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4056 2011-06-16 23:17:11 <Jamesb1> it is a solution but I doubt this is in the bitcoin coding style :P but it's not a problem for me
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4058 2011-06-16 23:17:32 <Jamesb1> if it was up to up i will use only pointers and C
4059 2011-06-16 23:17:38 <Jamesb1> *up to me
4060 2011-06-16 23:17:53 <upb> wait for one of the devs to wake up:)
4061 2011-06-16 23:18:24 <Jamesb1> I'm adding the possibility to edit the comment field of a transaction in the wallet
4062 2011-06-16 23:18:59 <Jamesb1> I'm using a right click so I have to get the selected transaction in the list, this is where the code I've linked is used
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4064 2011-06-16 23:24:16 <upb> blaah, i tested it
4065 2011-06-16 23:24:39 <denisx> jgarzik: hmm, I think when someone found a block it should be rewarded, even if the memcached is oom
4066 2011-06-16 23:25:16 <upb> second actually is a reference to the value in the pair in the map
4067 2011-06-16 23:25:19 <upb> so its not copied :)
4068 2011-06-16 23:25:26 <Jamesb1> upb: and so it doesn't crash? at the moment I've got my dialog box pop up
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4070 2011-06-16 23:26:25 <upb> which actually makes sense since otherwise you couldnt change the value in the map ever
4071 2011-06-16 23:26:31 <upb> if you just get copies of it
4072 2011-06-16 23:27:39 <Jamesb1> yes but in C++ we don't know the logic of the developpers which could think it may be better to protect users from changes in the map while looping over it... they uses references you know... the bad thing
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4075 2011-06-16 23:29:46 <Jamesb1> upb: do you know if it is possible to update a transaction (the comment field) in the wallet?
4076 2011-06-16 23:29:56 <upb> no idea sorry :)
4077 2011-06-16 23:30:11 <Jamesb1> it seems WriteToDisk appends the transaction without checking if it already exist, etc...
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4079 2011-06-16 23:30:24 <Jamesb1> ok thank you for your help so far
4080 2011-06-16 23:30:31 <upb> yea np for confusing u :P
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4082 2011-06-16 23:30:55 <upb> do you happen to know whether its possible to build it using msvs ?
4083 2011-06-16 23:31:18 <Jamesb1> what do you mean by msvs?
4084 2011-06-16 23:31:27 <upb> visual studio
4085 2011-06-16 23:31:45 <Jamesb1> I never used it
4086 2011-06-16 23:32:00 <upb> ok
4087 2011-06-16 23:32:22 <Jamesb1> It was already quite hard to make bitcoin compile with GCC and other libs dependencies
4088 2011-06-16 23:32:24 <lfm> bitcoin builds for mswin using mingw
4089 2011-06-16 23:33:17 <upb> i dont think its possible to include the debug info to debug it with source in vs ?
4090 2011-06-16 23:33:59 <upb> i guess i found a nice remote dos but have to verify it :)
4091 2011-06-16 23:34:00 <lfm> gdb?
4092 2011-06-16 23:34:20 <upb> :/
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4094 2011-06-16 23:35:09 <Jamesb1> (ahah, transaction comment is working :P don't know if it will be written to the disk)
4095 2011-06-16 23:36:03 <Jamesb1> too bad it isn't, i will invesigate this an other day, thank you and i'll see you soon
4096 2011-06-16 23:36:18 <luke-jr> ;;bc,target
4097 2011-06-16 23:36:18 <gribble> Error: "bc,target" is not a valid command.
4098 2011-06-16 23:36:21 <lfm> afaik the transaction comment is only uised whith the gui send to ip address option which is depreciated
4099 2011-06-16 23:36:45 <Jamesb1> lfm: this is the comment field and not the message field I'm working on :)
4100 2011-06-16 23:37:08 <lfm> ;;bchextarget
4101 2011-06-16 23:37:08 <gribble> Error: "bchextarget" is not a valid command.
4102 2011-06-16 23:37:09 <Jamesb1> and I regret that the message field was removed because I think it is useful
4103 2011-06-16 23:37:14 <lfm> ;;bc,hextarget
4104 2011-06-16 23:37:15 <gribble> 0000000000001321850000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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4106 2011-06-16 23:38:57 <lfm> Jamesb1: isnt that the same thing
4107 2011-06-16 23:39:10 <Jamesb1> no it isn't, in the code there are both fields
4108 2011-06-16 23:39:45 <Jamesb1> comments seem local and messages shared in the transaction
4109 2011-06-16 23:39:52 <lfm> Jamesb1: so from : sendtoaddress <bitcoinaddress> <amount> [comment] [comment-to]
4110 2011-06-16 23:40:04 <lfm> ?
4111 2011-06-16 23:40:09 <Jamesb1> yes but this is the rpc api not the actual code check out yourself in ui.cpp
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4113 2011-06-16 23:40:21 <lfm> ya same thing
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4115 2011-06-16 23:40:48 <x6763> ;;bc,stats
4116 2011-06-16 23:40:50 <gribble> Current Blocks: 131326 | Current Difficulty: 877226.66666667 | Next Difficulty At Block: 133055 | Next Difficulty In: 1729 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 11 hours, 38 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1245734.06377463
4117 2011-06-16 23:40:51 <Jamesb1> oh sure i didn't see there was 2 arguments, right
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4119 2011-06-16 23:42:38 <x6763> we will get to see block 132185 while the hextarget is 000000000000*132185*0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
4120 2011-06-16 23:43:11 <lfm> ?
4121 2011-06-16 23:43:20 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
4122 2011-06-16 23:43:21 <gribble> 131326
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4124 2011-06-16 23:43:53 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,blocks]+1729
4125 2011-06-16 23:43:53 <luke-jr> IMO, difficulty should be reworked to be logarithmic XD
4126 2011-06-16 23:43:55 <gribble> 131,326 + 1,729 = 133,055
4127 2011-06-16 23:44:24 <lfm> luke-jr it kinda is
4128 2011-06-16 23:44:45 <luke-jr> lfm: no it isn't
4129 2011-06-16 23:44:49 <luke-jr> it's linear
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4131 2011-06-16 23:45:08 <lfm> luke-jr just use the "shift amount" alone
4132 2011-06-16 23:45:17 <luke-jr> hmm
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4141 2011-06-16 23:55:05 <denisx> so, my pushpoold change for different difficulty is complete. the difficulty can be even linear now
4142 2011-06-16 23:56:33 <Wuked> what does it do denisx ?
4143 2011-06-16 23:57:12 <denisx> it makes it harder to find a share! ;)
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4145 2011-06-16 23:57:39 <Wuked> how does that help ? :P
4146 2011-06-16 23:57:58 <denisx> Wuked: you hash twice as much and you get twice the shares
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4149 2011-06-16 23:58:07 <denisx> decreases the load the pool has
4150 2011-06-16 23:58:11 <Wuked> ah I see
4151 2011-06-16 23:58:16 <Wuked> that's excellent
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4154 2011-06-16 23:58:31 <Wuked> do any clients support it ?
4155 2011-06-16 23:58:38 <denisx> Wuked: should be
4156 2011-06-16 23:58:47 <Wuked> and how does it records the shares
4157 2011-06-16 23:59:01 <Wuked> does it put 2x in the database for 2 shares?
4158 2011-06-16 23:59:05 <Wuked> and 10x for 10 shares?
4159 2011-06-16 23:59:16 <Wuked> or have you added a difficulty column to mysql
4160 2011-06-16 23:59:16 <denisx> btcguild with 1.6TH/s has 400 shares/sec which needs to be saved in the db
4161 2011-06-16 23:59:43 <Wuked> yeah that is a lot
4162 2011-06-16 23:59:47 <denisx> Wuked: that part is not done yet
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