1 2011-07-08 00:00:06 <senseles> hes saying because people lend money to people who lend money to people who lend money
   2 2011-07-08 00:00:11 <gmaxwell> Eliel_: fail to make good on their debts. Even though alice and bob's level of trust was correct in isolation, they trusted too much in parallel.
   3 2011-07-08 00:00:12 <senseles> that eventually there would be a chain collapse
   4 2011-07-08 00:00:16 <moa7> is there a time component to settlement on ripple?
   5 2011-07-08 00:00:39 <senseles> at least thats how i understood it
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   7 2011-07-08 00:01:02 <Eliel_> gmaxwell: so... it'd mean the people Ra-Rz were all scammers?
   8 2011-07-08 00:01:18 <senseles> no, just retards who got a home loan they couldnt afford
   9 2011-07-08 00:01:23 <senseles> that the bank then took bundled and sold to someone else
  10 2011-07-08 00:01:36 <senseles> sound familiar?
  11 2011-07-08 00:01:36 <moa7> the same thing happens in the US treasury market with settlment failures on naked short treasuries
  12 2011-07-08 00:01:55 <midnightmagic> naked short treasuries?
  13 2011-07-08 00:01:59 <gmaxwell> SRa-SRz was a single scammer (or an array of morons). Ra-Rz were people dumb enough to loan to the scammers, so alice and bob didn't trust them much (cause they are dumb)
  14 2011-07-08 00:02:27 <CheapScotsman> Just to keep spamming... Does anyone have any solutions to a Pheonix "invalid literal for int() with base 10" error?
  15 2011-07-08 00:02:37 <CheapScotsman> Forums are pulling up little
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  17 2011-07-08 00:03:08 <gmaxwell> But because a single scammer can hide behind an array of marginally trusted people the amount of spending they can do can add up. And someone's reasonable debt load can be oversubscribed since there are multiple people they can loan.
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  19 2011-07-08 00:03:59 <Eliel_> gmaxwell: sounds like the system would grouping too, so you can like put $200 limit on the whole group of 10 but trust them individually up to $50 each, Just if the group already owes $200, no-one of them would get any more.
  20 2011-07-08 00:04:11 <Namegduf> Hmm.
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  22 2011-07-08 00:04:25 <Namegduf> Said "group" would probably want to be "everyone I'm not giving much"
  23 2011-07-08 00:04:33 <Eliel_> yep
  24 2011-07-08 00:04:52 <Eliel_> but for flexibility, it'd would be up to the user to define groups. Although, that's a good default group
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  27 2011-07-08 00:05:48 <Eliel_> I don't think the idea is bad. It just needs a little working out details on how to make the risks reasonable.
  28 2011-07-08 00:05:57 <kunnis> Does anyone have time to test an bug I think I've found?   I need a person who's running the btc client on livenet to help me test out the bug.  I just want to connect to it like any other user can.
  29 2011-07-08 00:06:01 <Eliel_> and how to deter scamming.
  30 2011-07-08 00:06:16 <moa7> midnightmagic: https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi
  31 2011-07-08 00:06:24 <Eliel_> intentionally scamming ought to be a crime, naturally.
  32 2011-07-08 00:06:39 pumpkin is now known as copumpkin
  33 2011-07-08 00:06:42 <cuddlefish> kunnis: sure, cryptonomicoin.ubitex.org
  34 2011-07-08 00:06:49 <gmaxwell> Eliel_: right, but I don't think it can do thing like "I don't trust alice up to $500 if alice already loaned out $1000 to others which is unsettled" (And I don't know how it could without making all data public)
  35 2011-07-08 00:06:50 <cuddlefish> kunnis: you'll have to resolve it obviously
  36 2011-07-08 00:07:33 <kunnis> cuddlefish  thanks.  Would you please check it's current block number?
  37 2011-07-08 00:07:38 <moa7> midnightmagic:  oops go here https://ssl.scroogle.org/ input "naked short treasuries"
  38 2011-07-08 00:07:40 <cuddlefish> kunnis: one sec
  39 2011-07-08 00:08:21 <Eliel_> gmaxwell: well, you could make the system such that people can allow each other access to the data of how much they owe and to whom.
  40 2011-07-08 00:08:47 <Eliel_> which would then allow rules about those too
  41 2011-07-08 00:08:52 <cuddlefish> kunnis: 135226
  42 2011-07-08 00:09:08 <Eliel_> probably a necessity for trusting someone for bigger amounts of money
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  44 2011-07-08 00:09:25 <Namegduf> Also the amount I'm willing to lend varies with my own financial state
  45 2011-07-08 00:09:51 <Namegduf> Not only will I not lend more than I can manage, I won't lend if new expenditures become planned.
  46 2011-07-08 00:09:56 <jrmithdobbs> why are we still talking about this retardedness
  47 2011-07-08 00:10:04 <Eliel_> Namegduf: well, that's easy then, group everyone together and say, no loans if I'm over $500 in debt.
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  49 2011-07-08 00:10:17 <gmaxwell> Eliel_: since bad guys could intentionally exploit the graph (e.g. trying to saturate the maximum flow of funds) I'd think all relationships would have to disclose parallel debt... which is kind of invasive.
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  51 2011-07-08 00:10:48 <jrmithdobbs> the whole thing relies on people not being assholes to each other is the bottom line
  52 2011-07-08 00:10:55 <jrmithdobbs> that is not a valid assumption. qed.
  53 2011-07-08 00:11:06 <senseles> does anyone know of a way off hand with the flags to make guiminer not use 100% of the gpu?
  54 2011-07-08 00:11:19 <jrmithdobbs> #bitcoin-mining
  55 2011-07-08 00:11:35 <Eliel_> jrmithdobbs: if there's legal repercussions for being asshole in such a way, people will avoid it.
  56 2011-07-08 00:11:42 <lfm> sensless run something else
  57 2011-07-08 00:11:54 <jrmithdobbs> Eliel_: no they wont
  58 2011-07-08 00:12:08 <senseles> any recommendations? it seemed guiminer was the most user friendly
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  60 2011-07-08 00:12:11 <jrmithdobbs> Eliel_: they'll find ways to avoid being punished where they can still be assholes
  61 2011-07-08 00:12:17 <moa7> senseless: -f 30 or higher
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  63 2011-07-08 00:12:58 <jrmithdobbs> Eliel_: or have you not looked at world prison populations?
  64 2011-07-08 00:13:03 <Eliel_> jrmithdobbs: well, of course, people who want to be assholes will find a way to do it. Ripple or no ripple.
  65 2011-07-08 00:14:12 <senseles> moa7: tyvm
  66 2011-07-08 00:14:29 <moa7> imagine for every time helped someone on a forum they could click on their user name and give them a ripple credit
  67 2011-07-08 00:15:30 <moa7> favour economy
  68 2011-07-08 00:15:48 <jrmithdobbs> Eliel_: people will be assholes so any system that depends on them not being so doesn't work
  69 2011-07-08 00:15:54 <Eliel_> yes, it wouldn't have to be money that ripple tracked, it could be promise of work.
  70 2011-07-08 00:15:56 <b4epoche_> sipa:  what are your plans for the code in wallet.cpp that calls the UI to okay the fee?
  71 2011-07-08 00:15:59 <moa7> or gift economy
  72 2011-07-08 00:16:37 <Eliel_> jrmithdobbs: I think people would learn quite fast to not give out ripple trust too fast.
  73 2011-07-08 00:16:59 <Eliel_> or much
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  75 2011-07-08 00:17:34 <jrmithdobbs> Eliel_: you ever heard of a 419 scam?
  76 2011-07-08 00:18:04 <jrmithdobbs> Eliel_: that shit has been going on for ~30 years
  77 2011-07-08 00:18:08 <jrmithdobbs> Eliel_: people still fall for it daily.
  78 2011-07-08 00:18:10 <Eliel_> yes, I have heard of those.
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  81 2011-07-08 00:19:24 <jrmithdobbs> that 419 scammer i demanded give me 5000 bitcoins as a sign of good faith never did reply
  82 2011-07-08 00:19:27 <jrmithdobbs> btw
  83 2011-07-08 00:19:28 <jrmithdobbs> :(
  84 2011-07-08 00:19:35 <Eliel_> jrmithdobbs: there's always more young people who have not yet learned, sure.
  85 2011-07-08 00:19:54 <Eliel_> (or old "young" people :P)
  86 2011-07-08 00:20:03 <lfm> Eliel_: I think its more old people fall for it, they have more money
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  88 2011-07-08 00:21:07 <Eliel_> yes, old people also aren't used to being in danger of being scammed.
  89 2011-07-08 00:21:41 <senseles> come to the philippines
  90 2011-07-08 00:21:45 <senseles> old people learn very quick here
  91 2011-07-08 00:22:13 <senseles> lol @ at all the americans here w/ 18 year old girlfriends raising kids that arent theirs because their GF is having sex on the side
  92 2011-07-08 00:23:21 <Eliel_> jrmithdobbs: do you know anyone who has fallen for a 419 scam twice?
  93 2011-07-08 00:23:30 <jrmithdobbs> all it takes is once
  94 2011-07-08 00:23:54 <lfm> usually they dont have anything left after the first one
  95 2011-07-08 00:24:06 <jrmithdobbs> right
  96 2011-07-08 00:24:12 <cuddlefish> Eliel_: there's a scam used on people who fall for 419 scams
  97 2011-07-08 00:24:33 <jrmithdobbs> to supposedly get their money back
  98 2011-07-08 00:24:35 <jrmithdobbs> lol
  99 2011-07-08 00:24:35 <cuddlefish> pretend to be an investigator willing to track down the scammer.... for a fee.
 100 2011-07-08 00:24:37 <jrmithdobbs> never learn
 101 2011-07-08 00:24:41 <lfm> send me some money and Ill get those guys that scammed you
 102 2011-07-08 00:25:12 <lfm> right
 103 2011-07-08 00:25:18 <BlueMatt> does it seem wrong that the internal technical name for facebook video chat is "peep"?
 104 2011-07-08 00:25:40 <Eliel_> BlueMatt: I find that quite amusing :D
 105 2011-07-08 00:26:00 <jrmithdobbs> facebook has video chat?
 106 2011-07-08 00:26:24 <jrmithdobbs> who is it that actually uses video chat anyways?
 107 2011-07-08 00:26:33 <BlueMatt> its skype in a java program
 108 2011-07-08 00:26:39 <cuddlefish> jrmithdobbs: Google+ hangouts are pretty cool
 109 2011-07-08 00:26:42 <jrmithdobbs> it seemed like an awful idea in ~'95 and it still does
 110 2011-07-08 00:26:42 <BlueMatt> with contact sharing
 111 2011-07-08 00:26:56 kish has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 112 2011-07-08 00:27:57 <Eliel_> jrmithdobbs: I've seen people using skype video calls for phoning home. For example, russians visiting Finland.
 113 2011-07-08 00:28:09 <jrmithdobbs> why
 114 2011-07-08 00:28:24 callcc has left ("Leaving")
 115 2011-07-08 00:28:27 <BlueMatt> why the fuck not?
 116 2011-07-08 00:28:39 <BlueMatt> its free calling, with video?
 117 2011-07-08 00:28:43 <BlueMatt> what sounds bad about that?
 118 2011-07-08 00:28:48 <jrmithdobbs> the video part
 119 2011-07-08 00:28:53 <cuddlefish> BlueMatt: chatroulette.com
 120 2011-07-08 00:28:53 <BlueMatt> why?
 121 2011-07-08 00:28:57 callcc has joined
 122 2011-07-08 00:28:59 <Eliel_> jrmithdobbs: are you afraid of being seen?
 123 2011-07-08 00:29:07 <BlueMatt> cuddlefish: well the choice of partner does kinda make a difference here...
 124 2011-07-08 00:29:09 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: because then you have to actually devote attention to the person on the phone
 125 2011-07-08 00:29:16 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: eg, can't work and talk on the phone
 126 2011-07-08 00:29:18 <jrmithdobbs> pick your nose
 127 2011-07-08 00:29:18 <Eliel_> (for the record, I'm uncomfortable with video calls, for precisely that reason)
 128 2011-07-08 00:29:20 <jrmithdobbs> do dishes
 129 2011-07-08 00:29:21 <jrmithdobbs> etc
 130 2011-07-08 00:29:24 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: wow you really have no social skills do you?
 131 2011-07-08 00:29:28 <jrmithdobbs> people get insulted by that shit when they see that
 132 2011-07-08 00:29:47 <BlueMatt> people get insulted by that shit when they hear it
 133 2011-07-08 00:29:47 <jrmithdobbs> i'd say it's the other way around
 134 2011-07-08 00:29:56 <jrmithdobbs> they actually did this research the first time around with video calling
 135 2011-07-08 00:30:03 <jrmithdobbs> this really is why people end up not using it
 136 2011-07-08 00:30:12 HardDisk_WP has joined
 137 2011-07-08 00:30:16 <BlueMatt> because they cant multitask?
 138 2011-07-08 00:30:24 <jrmithdobbs> yes
 139 2011-07-08 00:30:25 <BlueMatt> and about the times when people dont want to multitask?
 140 2011-07-08 00:30:39 <BlueMatt> and all the research that says people suck at multitasking anyway?
 141 2011-07-08 00:30:40 gjs278 has joined
 142 2011-07-08 00:30:49 <jrmithdobbs> i'm sure it's nice occassionally if you're thousands of miles away on a work trip or something
 143 2011-07-08 00:30:58 <jrmithdobbs> but that's the exception
 144 2011-07-08 00:31:00 <BlueMatt> well then we arent arguing
 145 2011-07-08 00:31:05 <BlueMatt> thats the use case
 146 2011-07-08 00:31:13 <BlueMatt> for everyday conversations no one uses video chats
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 149 2011-07-08 00:31:38 <BlueMatt> but a shitton use it for exactly that
 150 2011-07-08 00:31:51 <BlueMatt> and Id say you are very wrong that thats much of an exception...
 151 2011-07-08 00:32:07 <BlueMatt> depends on the age group, but there are certainly people for who that is more than an exception
 152 2011-07-08 00:32:08 <Eliel_> yep, I'd only use video chat if I really wanted to devote my whole attention on someone and wanted the same in return.
 153 2011-07-08 00:34:04 <jrmithdobbs> oh hey stupid google+ invite finally went through
 154 2011-07-08 00:35:09 <BlueMatt> damn you
 155 2011-07-08 00:35:13 <BlueMatt> mine still dont fucking work
 156 2011-07-08 00:35:23 <senseles> When you discover a coin does the money just pop in your bitcoin account?
 157 2011-07-08 00:35:34 <jrmithdobbs> #bitcoin-mining
 158 2011-07-08 00:35:39 <BlueMatt> oh wait, yes it fucking did :):)
 159 2011-07-08 00:35:58 <BlueMatt> yay finally got in
 160 2011-07-08 00:36:28 <jrmithdobbs> wow
 161 2011-07-08 00:36:37 <jrmithdobbs> this is dumb
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 163 2011-07-08 00:37:09 <unclemantis> when will export wallet to printed paper feature be ready in the official bitcoin client?
 164 2011-07-08 00:37:16 <BlueMatt> unclemantis: 0.4
 165 2011-07-08 00:37:49 <jrmithdobbs> since it was sent to my google apps for domains account which has the apps for domains account and a standalone google account (because the google account had google voice on it before they merged them) it doesn't know about any of my damned contacts
 166 2011-07-08 00:37:56 <unclemantis> is this a "for sure"?
 167 2011-07-08 00:37:56 <jrmithdobbs> not that i can invite anyone anyways
 168 2011-07-08 00:38:11 <jrmithdobbs> unclemantis: you will be able to export to json so yes
 169 2011-07-08 00:38:26 <unclemantis> awesome
 170 2011-07-08 00:38:39 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: you can invite, it apparently just takes a couple days or a week to go through
 171 2011-07-08 00:38:50 <unclemantis> looking forward to backingup my wallet in something more solid state than a USB drive or CD
 172 2011-07-08 00:39:24 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: no i have people in my contacts i know have google+
 173 2011-07-08 00:39:30 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: but it can't see my contacts
 174 2011-07-08 00:39:46 <jrmithdobbs> and fuck doing that shit manually
 175 2011-07-08 00:39:49 <BlueMatt> I think they have to have a google profiles account
 176 2011-07-08 00:39:59 <BlueMatt> which they would if they had +
 177 2011-07-08 00:40:06 <BlueMatt> well it should be in the suggested people thing
 178 2011-07-08 00:40:11 <BlueMatt> the suggested friends
 179 2011-07-08 00:40:11 <jrmithdobbs> where's the import from facebook button
 180 2011-07-08 00:40:17 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: nope.
 181 2011-07-08 00:40:24 <BlueMatt> you have to export to yahoo, then import from there...
 182 2011-07-08 00:40:24 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: because *IT CAN'T SEE MY CONTACTS*
 183 2011-07-08 00:40:31 <BlueMatt> it saw mine
 184 2011-07-08 00:40:36 <jrmithdobbs> see above
 185 2011-07-08 00:40:45 <BlueMatt> why cant it?
 186 2011-07-08 00:41:01 <BlueMatt> ah
 187 2011-07-08 00:41:04 <BlueMatt> well that sucks...
 188 2011-07-08 00:41:18 <jrmithdobbs> they can't merge my apps for domains account with the google account with the same email because it has certain services associated with it (one of which, the only one i care about and wont cancel, is voice)
 189 2011-07-08 00:41:38 <jrmithdobbs> oh well, i'll look at it again once they get that shit sorted
 190 2011-07-08 00:41:42 <BlueMatt> well that just sucks
 191 2011-07-08 00:41:51 <jrmithdobbs> yup
 192 2011-07-08 00:43:21 <jrmithdobbs> https://plus.google.com/u/0/103591902193880374301/posts/8oEpWFkdXSE
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 194 2011-07-08 00:44:06 <jrmithdobbs> errr
 195 2011-07-08 00:44:07 <jrmithdobbs> https://twitter.com/#!/jrmithdobbs/status/89131966192025600
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 198 2011-07-08 00:46:40 <unclemantis> for entertainment value, is there a way to find out who has the oldest bitcoin minned? You know. like those stamps on the dollar bill that say "Where's George?"
 199 2011-07-08 00:47:02 <unclemantis> like is the first BTC that was ever minned, i am sure has been split already :(
 200 2011-07-08 00:47:36 <doublec> unclemantis: oldest BTC mined http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
 201 2011-07-08 00:47:44 <BlueMatt> not spent
 202 2011-07-08 00:47:49 <doublec> right
 203 2011-07-08 00:48:02 <Eliel_> one thing about ripple that came to my mind is that, it'd enable a business model for a company. They buy defaulted loans from people and once there are enough of them for certain person, they'll go and claim them. Actually, we already have these companies :P
 204 2011-07-08 00:48:15 <BlueMatt> but that address has slowly gotten more and more coins as people randomly donate
 205 2011-07-08 00:48:19 <Eliel_> just, they only work for businesses
 206 2011-07-08 00:48:35 <unclemantis> so it is not the first BTC mined but the first 50 mined
 207 2011-07-08 00:48:57 groffer has joined
 208 2011-07-08 00:49:29 <unclemantis> So I may have some BTC that is a part of the very first 50?
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 210 2011-07-08 00:49:38 <doublec> unclemantis: no, because they haven't been spent yet
 211 2011-07-08 00:49:45 tower has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
 212 2011-07-08 00:49:53 <unclemantis> really? wow
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 214 2011-07-08 00:51:12 <Blitzboom> lol @ satoshi and ever spending anything
 215 2011-07-08 00:51:42 <BlueMatt> if he ever spends any coins from that address everyone will be working their ass off trying to trace them
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 217 2011-07-08 00:52:07 <cuddlefish> BlueMatt: i have a feeling they'll be buying stuff from Silk Road
 218 2011-07-08 00:52:30 <Blitzboom> satoshi will never spend any coins we know belong to him
 219 2011-07-08 00:52:41 <b4epoche_> w00t, my iphone4 that got washed 3 months ago just came back from the dead...
 220 2011-07-08 00:52:53 <wasabi2> That's interesting.
 221 2011-07-08 00:53:09 <wasabi2> There's kind of a privacy concern that might be mitigated partially by using a different wallet address for every single block you generate, eh?
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 223 2011-07-08 00:53:31 <Blitzboom> bitcoin generates a fresh address for every found block
 224 2011-07-08 00:53:33 <jrmithdobbs> this is awesome
 225 2011-07-08 00:53:35 <unclemantis> speaking of iphone. When is the iphone wallet coming out? Will it require a data folder the size of the one on the PC? 700+mb?
 226 2011-07-08 00:53:39 <wasabi2> Does it?
 227 2011-07-08 00:53:44 <Blitzboom> yes
 228 2011-07-08 00:53:50 <wasabi2> Okay. That addresses that, then.
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 230 2011-07-08 00:54:22 <jrmithdobbs> since the half of that "split" account with that email that is on my phone is the one that is the apps for domains account with my contacts and email i can't use the google+ android app
 231 2011-07-08 00:54:23 <b4epoche_> I could have an iphone wallet together by the start of next week...
 232 2011-07-08 00:54:26 <jrmithdobbs> lollol
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 234 2011-07-08 00:54:34 <b4epoche_> unclemantis ^
 235 2011-07-08 00:54:56 <b4epoche_> and, yes, it'll need the entire block chain (for the time being)
 236 2011-07-08 00:55:18 <doublec> unclemantis: the first block containing an actual transaction is http://blockexplorer.com/b/170
 237 2011-07-08 00:55:23 <unclemantis> unless someone just comes up with a RPC version like mybitcoinwallet.com or something
 238 2011-07-08 00:55:29 <doublec> unclemantis: which is satoshi sending to hal I believe
 239 2011-07-08 00:56:03 <unclemantis> doublec so it is safe to say that the first 50 is still in the hands of Satoshi?
 240 2011-07-08 00:56:16 <doublec> unclemantis: one of the oldest active addresses seems to be http://blockexplorer.com/a/i35Y3v9b2
 241 2011-07-08 00:56:28 <doublec> unclemantis: or hal, or other early adopters
 242 2011-07-08 00:56:47 <Blitzboom> why? the first 50 were in the genesis block
 243 2011-07-08 00:56:51 <unclemantis> wow!!!!
 244 2011-07-08 00:56:51 <jrmithdobbs> hmmm, looks like i can try and transition the accounts again
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 246 2011-07-08 00:56:53 <Blitzboom> so it’s satoshi’s
 247 2011-07-08 00:56:54 <jrmithdobbs> maybe this will be fixed
 248 2011-07-08 00:57:02 <b4epoche_> seriously, is there interest in me trying to submit an ios wallet app?
 249 2011-07-08 00:57:19 <doublec> Blitzboom: not necessarily
 250 2011-07-08 00:57:20 <unclemantis> someone cashed out hard
 251 2011-07-08 00:57:58 <unclemantis> b4epoche I am but i am not sure if that would be LEGAL in the eyes of apple but I would be interested in jailbroken
 252 2011-07-08 00:58:26 <doublec> unclemantis: this is another early one that saw activity recently http://blockexplorer.com/address/15oUEZFKAC8E8BTLt1s1jx4fPxumwB3ecr
 253 2011-07-08 00:58:36 <unclemantis> Some clowns from Paxx Media have been saying in their app to give them one more week for the last month
 254 2011-07-08 00:58:48 <b4epoche_> unclemantis:  I can do jailbroken too...  that's where I started anyway.  But I really don't 'believe' the reason for rejection of that other ios app
 255 2011-07-08 00:59:14 <b4epoche_> unclemantis:  yea, I bought that just to see what competition might be
 256 2011-07-08 00:59:32 <unclemantis> wow. that guy cashed out for $20,000
 257 2011-07-08 00:59:37 <b4epoche_> FUD-spuckers
 258 2011-07-08 00:59:48 <cuddlefish> b4epoche_: spudfuckers?
 259 2011-07-08 01:00:07 <unclemantis> b4epoche i got it for free a few weeks ago when they held a promotion
 260 2011-07-08 01:00:13 <unclemantis> right now it is just a stupid market chaser
 261 2011-07-08 01:00:16 <b4epoche_> Paxx Media = FUD'ers
 262 2011-07-08 01:00:17 <cuddlefish> guess that puts the dick in dictator
 263 2011-07-08 01:00:37 croleva has joined
 264 2011-07-08 01:00:48 <unclemantis> i am really not sure I would PAY for a wallet app
 265 2011-07-08 01:01:01 <croleva> hello. my bitcoin client won't open, giving me a bad address error. any suggestions?
 266 2011-07-08 01:01:10 <Blitzboom> it’s funny people are practially working for free for others who let an app run two years ago
 267 2011-07-08 01:01:29 <b4epoche_> eh?
 268 2011-07-08 01:01:38 <b4epoche_> unclemantis:  ads?
 269 2011-07-08 01:01:46 <unclemantis> b4epoche sure, why not
 270 2011-07-08 01:01:50 <jrmithdobbs> what the fuck
 271 2011-07-08 01:01:58 <unclemantis> just don't put them i the way of the hot spots and we are good to go
 272 2011-07-08 01:02:01 <jrmithdobbs> the transition is going to make me create another gmail account
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 276 2011-07-08 01:03:24 <jrmithdobbs> this is a clusterfuck
 277 2011-07-08 01:03:26 <jrmithdobbs> fuck you google
 278 2011-07-08 01:03:41 again is now known as tower
 279 2011-07-08 01:03:44 <b4epoche_> I seriously think there was a misunderstanding between that previous ios wallet app developer and Apple.
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 281 2011-07-08 01:04:17 <b4epoche_> he was using bitcoind and rpc...  /that/ is a no-no
 282 2011-07-08 01:06:56 <BlueMatt> b4epoche_: lol keep thinking that
 283 2011-07-08 01:07:15 <b4epoche_> why?  do you know what actually happened?
 284 2011-07-08 01:07:38 <b4epoche_> this 'intermediate currency' stuff is just conspiracy-theorist hyperbola
 285 2011-07-08 01:07:45 <BlueMatt> apple blocked it because its an alternate currency
 286 2011-07-08 01:07:53 <BlueMatt> and because its of clearly questionable legal standing
 287 2011-07-08 01:07:54 * Eliel_ wonders if anyone else noticed croleva asking for help. I'm unfortunately not informed enough about bitcoin to help.
 288 2011-07-08 01:08:05 <unclemantis> ummm isn't PAYPAL a currency?
 289 2011-07-08 01:08:09 <croleva> Eliel_, thank you
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 291 2011-07-08 01:08:15 <croleva> hello. my bitcoin client won't open, giving me a bad address error. any suggestions?
 292 2011-07-08 01:08:16 <b4epoche_> BlueMatt:  I /seriously/ don't think so.
 293 2011-07-08 01:08:30 <unclemantis> croleva throw it away and start another one
 294 2011-07-08 01:08:41 <b4epoche_> I got his code and he was clearly violating policy by spawning bitcoind
 295 2011-07-08 01:08:46 <doublec> croleva: what's the exact error?
 296 2011-07-08 01:08:49 <BlueMatt> b4epoche_: and they didnt simply say it is because he used some crazy binary crap instead of being vague?
 297 2011-07-08 01:09:04 <b4epoche_> what?
 298 2011-07-08 01:09:09 <croleva> BlueMatt, reproducing it now
 299 2011-07-08 01:09:15 <BlueMatt> iirc apple was all vague and didnt say why they rejected it
 300 2011-07-08 01:09:32 <unclemantis> iirc? hmmm sounds like a scam to me
 301 2011-07-08 01:09:41 <BlueMatt> yea probably that
 302 2011-07-08 01:09:42 <Eliel_> croleva: do you have bitcoins in it? If not, unclemantis' suggestion would work.
 303 2011-07-08 01:09:52 <croleva> EXCEPTION: 11DbException
 304 2011-07-08 01:10:04 <croleva> Dbc::get: Bad address
 305 2011-07-08 01:10:22 <croleva> path\bitcoin.exe in AppInit()
 306 2011-07-08 01:10:35 <b4epoche_> he was using an 'intermediate' process to communicate with the network...  /that/ is a no-no.  He said Apple told him it was rejected for using an 'intermediate' currency
 307 2011-07-08 01:10:44 <croleva> path\bitcoin.exe in CMyApp::OnUnhandledException()
 308 2011-07-08 01:10:56 <croleva> then a runtime error
 309 2011-07-08 01:11:05 <croleva> Eliel_, if I didn't, I wouldn't be here
 310 2011-07-08 01:11:20 <doublec> croleva: what version of bitcoin?
 311 2011-07-08 01:11:22 <b4epoche_> does anyone here, know they guy that submitted that app?
 312 2011-07-08 01:11:36 <croleva> doublec, not sure, installed a month or so ago
 313 2011-07-08 01:11:38 <b4epoche_> is he a native English speaker?
 314 2011-07-08 01:11:40 <Eliel_> croleva: no backups either I take it?
 315 2011-07-08 01:12:00 <croleva> Eliel_, I backed up my wallet.dat
 316 2011-07-08 01:12:10 <jrmithdobbs> what the shit
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 319 2011-07-08 01:13:14 <doublec> croleva: copy your wallet.dat somewhere, delete all the files in the directory where the wallet.dat lived, copy the wallet.dat back, upgrade to the latest bitcoin client, run it to redownload the block chain
 320 2011-07-08 01:13:20 <doublec> croleva: and see if you still get the error
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 322 2011-07-08 01:13:34 <doublec> croleva: if that doesn't work, restore your wallet.dat from backup
 323 2011-07-08 01:13:40 <doublec> croleva: and repeat
 324 2011-07-08 01:13:41 <b4epoche_> jrmithdobbs:  sounds like progress:  fuck -> shit
 325 2011-07-08 01:13:50 * doublec waits for "what the heck"
 326 2011-07-08 01:14:01 <jrmithdobbs> b4epoche_: no this is awful
 327 2011-07-08 01:14:15 <jrmithdobbs> b4epoche_: so they added the ability to merge accounts that couldn't be merged previously
 328 2011-07-08 01:14:24 <croleva> doublec, i'll try that.
 329 2011-07-08 01:14:33 <jrmithdobbs> but my + account is now associated with an account mith%jrbobdobbs.org@gtempaccount.com and can't be moved to the one with my real email
 330 2011-07-08 01:14:37 <jrmithdobbs> so it's basically worthless
 331 2011-07-08 01:14:45 <jrmithdobbs> and my google voice account is associated with that as well
 332 2011-07-08 01:14:47 <jrmithdobbs> WHAT THE FUCK
 333 2011-07-08 01:14:56 <jrmithdobbs> this is the worst migration ever
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 336 2011-07-08 01:15:42 <freakazoid> Google has always been bad at account management
 337 2011-07-08 01:15:50 <freakazoid> I've had a hell of a time dealing with my hosted domain
 338 2011-07-08 01:15:54 <BlueMatt> every site has pretty much
 339 2011-07-08 01:16:01 <jrmithdobbs> this is particularly bad
 340 2011-07-08 01:16:06 <BlueMatt> though google shouldnt make you have two accounts
 341 2011-07-08 01:16:11 <BlueMatt> that would solve it to begin with...
 342 2011-07-08 01:16:11 <jrmithdobbs> i'd rather go back to the two seperate accounts with the same name
 343 2011-07-08 01:16:13 <jrmithdobbs> jesus
 344 2011-07-08 01:16:15 <b4epoche_> yea, I have like 5 Apple ID's and they can't be merged
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 346 2011-07-08 01:16:26 <jrmithdobbs> b4epoche_: ya they can call customer relations
 347 2011-07-08 01:16:34 <freakazoid> You'd think Google would treat people who are deeper into their services better rather than treating them as second-class citizens
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 349 2011-07-08 01:16:46 <jrmithdobbs> seriously.
 350 2011-07-08 01:16:50 <jrmithdobbs> i was a voice early adopter
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 352 2011-07-08 01:16:54 <jrmithdobbs> etc
 353 2011-07-08 01:17:09 <freakazoid> I wish I could combine my voice account with my hosted domain, but nope
 354 2011-07-08 01:17:10 <jrmithdobbs> i've had gapps for domains since 100 user accounts were free (basically the month they opened it)
 355 2011-07-08 01:17:13 <BlueMatt> lol google doesnt care when you joined
 356 2011-07-08 01:17:30 <jrmithdobbs> can I just transfer all this shit to my other gmail account then? this shit is fucking retarded
 357 2011-07-08 01:17:38 <BlueMatt> just send them an email, Im sure help.py will get back to you as soon as possible
 358 2011-07-08 01:17:46 <freakazoid> You can't transfer books or apps you BOUGHT either
 359 2011-07-08 01:17:55 <freakazoid> they even say in the help "sorry you have to buy them again, SUCKER!!!"
 360 2011-07-08 01:18:07 <freakazoid> I'm paraphrasing, of course, but they do say you need to buy them again.
 361 2011-07-08 01:18:19 <BlueMatt> the only problem here is that you guys have multiple accounts, which arent really supported...
 362 2011-07-08 01:18:26 <BlueMatt> but google kinda makes you with apps
 363 2011-07-08 01:18:31 <BlueMatt> which is why its fucked up
 364 2011-07-08 01:18:34 <freakazoid> yep
 365 2011-07-08 01:18:35 <BlueMatt> other than that...well no complaints
 366 2011-07-08 01:18:59 <freakazoid> I have books on two accounts now
 367 2011-07-08 01:19:10 <jrmithdobbs> freakazoid: wait what
 368 2011-07-08 01:19:11 <freakazoid> Fortunately I broke the DRM on the books on the other account
 369 2011-07-08 01:19:14 <jrmithdobbs> freakazoid: you're shitting me
 370 2011-07-08 01:19:25 <freakazoid> no
 371 2011-07-08 01:19:29 <jrmithdobbs> glad my fuckin phone is running cyanogenmod
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 374 2011-07-08 01:19:42 <freakazoid> that won't help
 375 2011-07-08 01:19:43 <jrmithdobbs> actually, i think my android market account is the gmail account anyways
 376 2011-07-08 01:19:51 <freakazoid> Mine is my hosted account
 377 2011-07-08 01:19:54 kiba has joined
 378 2011-07-08 01:19:57 <kiba> hey guys
 379 2011-07-08 01:19:59 <freakazoid> I think I have one app on the gmail account
 380 2011-07-08 01:20:06 <kiba> how can I get bitcoind running on debian sid?
 381 2011-07-08 01:20:09 <kiba> is it possible?
 382 2011-07-08 01:20:12 <freakazoid> because I think I had my G1 on the gmail account
 383 2011-07-08 01:20:20 <BlueMatt> kiba: install it from unstable repo
 384 2011-07-08 01:20:42 <kiba> BlueMatt: it seems that I need to add the unstable repos to my apt list then
 385 2011-07-08 01:20:42 <jrmithdobbs> it says my apps for domain account already contains voice data but it doesn't?!
 386 2011-07-08 01:20:58 <jrmithdobbs> oh wait it does
 387 2011-07-08 01:20:58 <BlueMatt> kiba: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages
 388 2011-07-08 01:21:11 <jrmithdobbs> think if i kill the voice account on that one it'll let me xfer? that's the one i care about
 389 2011-07-08 01:21:17 <jrmithdobbs> don't want to lose all my fuckin voicemail
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 391 2011-07-08 01:22:18 <kiba> BlueMatt: erm?
 392 2011-07-08 01:22:18 <jrmithdobbs> wait, it wont let me remove voice from this account
 393 2011-07-08 01:22:20 <jrmithdobbs> WHAT THE FUCK
 394 2011-07-08 01:22:27 <jrmithdobbs> bleh, sorry i'll stop bitching about this here
 395 2011-07-08 01:22:43 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: seriously, send them an email, help.py will get back to you within minutes
 396 2011-07-08 01:22:54 <jrmithdobbs> send WHO an email?
 397 2011-07-08 01:23:06 <jrmithdobbs> what's the support email?
 398 2011-07-08 01:23:09 <BlueMatt> help.py
 399 2011-07-08 01:23:15 <BlueMatt> ;)
 400 2011-07-08 01:23:24 <jrmithdobbs> that's not an email?!
 401 2011-07-08 01:23:42 <BlueMatt> well even if you do find an email, you will be talking to the same script
 402 2011-07-08 01:24:07 <unclemantis> jrmithdobbs wtf jumped down your crotch?
 403 2011-07-08 01:24:14 * unclemantis passes jrmithdobbs a doobie
 404 2011-07-08 01:24:19 <jrmithdobbs> unclemantis: google just fucked all my shit up
 405 2011-07-08 01:24:27 <jrmithdobbs> and i'm probably going to lose all my voicemail
 406 2011-07-08 01:24:40 <unclemantis> _____ justed fucked all my shit up
 407 2011-07-08 01:25:15 <unclemantis> take responsibility for your own actions jrmithdobbs. First off relax. Second e-mail Google. They WILL reply
 408 2011-07-08 01:25:36 <unclemantis> support@google.com
 409 2011-07-08 01:25:52 <BlueMatt> aka help.py
 410 2011-07-08 01:25:55 <jrmithdobbs> my actions?
 411 2011-07-08 01:26:03 <jrmithdobbs> what
 412 2011-07-08 01:26:07 <kiba> hmm
 413 2011-07-08 01:26:12 <jrmithdobbs> what actions?
 414 2011-07-08 01:26:27 <kiba> I regret to say that I am ain't worth shit when it come to adminstrating my box
 415 2011-07-08 01:27:01 <BlueMatt> kiba: google debian add repo to apt
 416 2011-07-08 01:27:15 <BlueMatt> except you only want to do it for one package
 417 2011-07-08 01:27:19 <BlueMatt> so I dont know, google that
 418 2011-07-08 01:27:41 * kiba sigh
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 420 2011-07-08 01:27:49 <BlueMatt> sorry, I dont know
 421 2011-07-08 01:27:53 <BlueMatt> dont do that kinda thing myself
 422 2011-07-08 01:27:53 <jrmithdobbs> unclemantis: support@google.com bounces.
 423 2011-07-08 01:28:07 wardearia has joined
 424 2011-07-08 01:28:09 <kiba> my ignorance is profound and I simply
 425 2011-07-08 01:28:16 <kiba> want to write bitcoinweekly
 426 2011-07-08 01:28:46 <Namegduf> support@ is not a standard
 427 2011-07-08 01:28:56 <unclemantis> wow
 428 2011-07-08 01:28:59 <jrmithdobbs> great, now i still have 3 google accounts and can't even xfer my second "personal" (even though they're all 3 personal) one to the original gmail account i've had since they opened gmail
 429 2011-07-08 01:29:01 <unclemantis> google went the way of facebook
 430 2011-07-08 01:29:19 <unclemantis> jrmithdobbs I retract and I now feel your pain :(
 431 2011-07-08 01:29:26 <BlueMatt> Namegduf: it is for everyone but google
 432 2011-07-08 01:29:39 <Namegduf> No, it isn't.
 433 2011-07-08 01:29:51 <BlueMatt> pretty much
 434 2011-07-08 01:29:59 <Namegduf> abuse@ is a standard, as is postmaster@, but support@ is just one that just happened to be used by some.
 435 2011-07-08 01:30:15 <BlueMatt> by most large companies which support anything yea
 436 2011-07-08 01:30:21 Netsniper has left ("The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.")
 437 2011-07-08 01:30:22 <BlueMatt> in fact many, many small companies as well
 438 2011-07-08 01:30:23 <unclemantis> http://www.google.com/contact/
 439 2011-07-08 01:30:37 <BlueMatt> I dont think Ive ever seen a company that didnt say email support@... if they gave a support email
 440 2011-07-08 01:30:42 <unclemantis> asside from driving to 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway and kicking their asses, i am not really sure
 441 2011-07-08 01:30:45 <Namegduf> Size has no particular correlation to their odds of picking the word "support" for their "support" address.
 442 2011-07-08 01:30:49 <Namegduf> Common? Yes.
 443 2011-07-08 01:30:57 <croleva> doublec, client is open, balance is still 0 but blocks are downloading and I see transactions. I'm hopeful. Gotta run, thanks for your help.
 444 2011-07-08 01:31:03 <jrmithdobbs> unclemantis: that basically says "search our knowledge base!"
 445 2011-07-08 01:31:04 <Namegduf> But so's "customerservice" or "help" or even the owner's name for small places.
 446 2011-07-08 01:31:14 croleva has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 447 2011-07-08 01:31:18 <unclemantis> jrmithdobbs that pretty much says "HEY! We are lazy just like Facebook!"
 448 2011-07-08 01:31:23 <BlueMatt> Namegduf: there is a line between common and so close to everywhere that it is a standard
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 450 2011-07-08 01:31:45 <BlueMatt> kiba: it would appear the only version in debian repos is 0.3.21
 451 2011-07-08 01:31:46 <jrmithdobbs> there's no way to remove voice from the account?!
 452 2011-07-08 01:31:48 <jrmithdobbs> wtf
 453 2011-07-08 01:31:51 mmoya has joined
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 455 2011-07-08 01:31:59 <BlueMatt> kiba: but of course you can just download the official binaries
 456 2011-07-08 01:32:40 <unclemantis> jrmithdobbs check out #google for shits and giggles. Mostly shit from what the topic says
 457 2011-07-08 01:33:00 <kiba> BlueMatt: Can't get it for my version of debian
 458 2011-07-08 01:33:03 <kiba> debian sucks ass
 459 2011-07-08 01:33:15 <BlueMatt> what distro even has bitcoin in the repos
 460 2011-07-08 01:33:17 <BlueMatt> like none
 461 2011-07-08 01:33:23 <BlueMatt> so dont complain that debian doesnt too
 462 2011-07-08 01:33:27 <kiba> can't compile worth a shit
 463 2011-07-08 01:33:29 <BlueMatt> just grab the official one from bitcoin.org
 464 2011-07-08 01:33:35 <BlueMatt> that should work fine
 465 2011-07-08 01:33:39 <kiba> doesn't
 466 2011-07-08 01:33:41 <kiba> for some reason
 467 2011-07-08 01:33:44 <BlueMatt> error is?
 468 2011-07-08 01:33:49 * kiba shrugs. 
 469 2011-07-08 01:33:58 <BlueMatt> well I cant help if you dont give any info
 470 2011-07-08 01:34:02 <kiba> I don't know at the moment
 471 2011-07-08 01:34:03 <unclemantis> jrmithdobbs you didn't even last 2 seconds! LOL
 472 2011-07-08 01:34:40 <jrmithdobbs> how do i even have a voice account on my apps account
 473 2011-07-08 01:34:42 <davex__> Why would miners get crappy GPU utilization if pool is slow?  doesn't seem like it should matter if pool acknowledges shares
 474 2011-07-08 01:34:43 <jrmithdobbs> you need an invite
 475 2011-07-08 01:34:50 <jrmithdobbs> bleh
 476 2011-07-08 01:34:58 <jrmithdobbs> whatever, i'll deal with this shit later
 477 2011-07-08 01:35:02 <unclemantis> to talk?
 478 2011-07-08 01:35:10 <unclemantis> dood, i typed just fine in #google
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 481 2011-07-08 01:35:49 <jrmithdobbs> unclemantis: no invite comment was related to the previous line
 482 2011-07-08 01:35:55 <jrmithdobbs> 20:32 < jrmithdobbs> how do i even have a voice account on my apps account
 483 2011-07-08 01:36:05 <unclemantis> ahh ok
 484 2011-07-08 01:36:11 <kiba> 64/bitcoind: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by 64/bitcoind)
 485 2011-07-08 01:36:15 <kiba> ugh
 486 2011-07-08 01:36:21 <unclemantis> well i am going to go play OnLive and think about how i am going to handle something
 487 2011-07-08 01:36:38 <BlueMatt> kiba: oh you are on a really old debian
 488 2011-07-08 01:36:39 <kiba> the packages for my installation is so out of dated that bitcoind literally can't run
 489 2011-07-08 01:37:03 <kiba> and I am scared shit of upgrading without backing up everything
 490 2011-07-08 01:37:11 <BlueMatt> kiba: see http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=21767.msg324628#msg324628
 491 2011-07-08 01:38:09 <kiba> not sure how it will help me
 492 2011-07-08 01:38:21 <BlueMatt> that is just an explanation
 493 2011-07-08 01:38:35 <BlueMatt> but seriously, read doc/build-unix.txt its written for debian/ubuntu so its not too hard
 494 2011-07-08 01:38:58 <kiba> ugh. I wish bitcoinweekly have a proper sys admin
 495 2011-07-08 01:39:24 <kiba> everything backed up and done properly, etc
 496 2011-07-08 01:39:59 <BlueMatt> anyway, Im off, see you guys later
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 501 2011-07-08 01:45:00 <jrmithdobbs> ugh, and there's no way to export/import voicemails
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 503 2011-07-08 01:50:19 <kiba> ls
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 518 2011-07-08 02:27:02 <nameless> !~root@mindjail.subluminal.net|Seeing as there's a lack of conversation
 519 2011-07-08 02:27:08 <nameless> !~root@mindjail.subluminal.net|Allow me to try to start some
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 521 2011-07-08 02:29:46 <[Tycho]> ^)
 522 2011-07-08 02:30:15 <upb> that attempt pmuch failed tho
 523 2011-07-08 02:30:47 <cuddlefish> upb: wut
 524 2011-07-08 02:30:58 <cuddlefish> kiba: Hahaha
 525 2011-07-08 02:31:08 <cuddlefish> kiba: i know how that feels :P
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 529 2011-07-08 02:36:51 <kiba> cuddlefish: I wanna get serious about coding and doing it properly...which I am..and starting to..but system admin is bottleneck
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 532 2011-07-08 02:37:33 <CheapScotsman> Does clicking off CPU Affinity in GUIMiner stop CPU mining?
 533 2011-07-08 02:37:42 <CheapScotsman> I tried clicking them off and my core2 went to 100% usage
 534 2011-07-08 02:38:05 <cuddlefish> kiba: Oh, by the way: compass-style.org.
 535 2011-07-08 02:38:18 <cuddlefish> kiba: i'm no web designer, but with that, I made zode.ubitex.org
 536 2011-07-08 02:38:29 <kiba> cuddlefish: the style upgrade is maddening to me since I cannot code fast enough/use my time efficently
 537 2011-07-08 02:38:32 <cuddlefish> you might want to use it for Bitcoinweekly
 538 2011-07-08 02:38:49 <cuddlefish> kiba: compass helps massively.
 539 2011-07-08 02:39:02 <kiba> yes...yes...
 540 2011-07-08 02:39:13 <kiba> when I can get to it
 541 2011-07-08 02:39:29 * kiba is a bottleneck in bitcoinweekly and he knows it
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 543 2011-07-08 02:41:40 <nameless> !~root@mindjail.subluminal.net|upb: nah, look what happened
 544 2011-07-08 02:41:49 <CheapScotsman> Is it normal for CPU to be in use 50+% with phenox miner?
 545 2011-07-08 02:42:01 <CheapScotsman> then drop down to 0% immediately after stopping?
 546 2011-07-08 02:42:08 <CheapScotsman> *pheonix
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 550 2011-07-08 02:44:39 <moa7> [Tycho] you should charge more for your pool ... like 4 or 5%
 551 2011-07-08 02:46:01 <[Tycho]> Why ? I'm less than 50% already
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 553 2011-07-08 02:46:31 <moa7> it might stop all the whinging, attacks, etc
 554 2011-07-08 02:46:52 <moa7> when you get big again
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 556 2011-07-08 02:47:49 <[Tycho]> My users won't like it.
 557 2011-07-08 02:48:23 <hwolf> pigs get slaughtered
 558 2011-07-08 02:48:28 <moa7> but your wallet will
 559 2011-07-08 02:48:44 <moa7> it is amtter of good network regulation, nothing personal
 560 2011-07-08 02:49:04 <[Tycho]> My fee is already the highest.
 561 2011-07-08 02:49:12 <moa7> he can make same money with smaller overheads, etc
 562 2011-07-08 02:49:26 <moa7> but your service is too good for the cost
 563 2011-07-08 02:49:38 <hwolf> probably a better plan for Tycho would be to spin out "private pool" mining in another data center from deepbit
 564 2011-07-08 02:49:57 <moa7> that is why you get too big, you are undercharging
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 566 2011-07-08 02:50:06 <hwolf> let people like you pay 5% to be away from the main deepbit server
 567 2011-07-08 02:50:26 <moa7> just a suggestion
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 569 2011-07-08 02:53:27 <moa7> or appoint an independent 3rd party to audit your blocks for irregulaties is another option
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 571 2011-07-08 02:54:09 <moa7> when you go over 50% only
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 573 2011-07-08 03:01:40 <shLONG> http://bitgambler.sytes.net/ source code now available
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 577 2011-07-08 03:05:08 <cuddlefish> [Tycho]: Sign up for Black Lotus, create a pool behind them with a gigantic fee
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 580 2011-07-08 03:08:43 <[Tycho]> cuddlefish, I already have BlackLotus service :)
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 582 2011-07-08 03:09:39 <doublec> [Tycho]: what do you think of BlackLotus? I was looking into them for another service but couldn't find much in the way of reviews.
 583 2011-07-08 03:11:16 <[Tycho]> moa7, I already started a pledge of 50 BTC to make fork monitoring site (that was like ~1500 USD), but no one cared. Also I proposed a change in miners code that will add something like anti-fork functionality at client side, independent from any pool, but no one cared.
 584 2011-07-08 03:11:29 <[Tycho]> doublec, mtGox left them.
 585 2011-07-08 03:12:06 <[Tycho]> moa7, turns out that no one really cares about forks and stuff, they are all talk.
 586 2011-07-08 03:12:10 <nanotube> [Tycho]: well the point is that you don't want /anti fork/, since bitcoin is supposed to fork.
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 588 2011-07-08 03:12:22 <nanotube> the longest chain should win
 589 2011-07-08 03:12:24 <[Tycho]> nanotube, I mean the evil fork
 590 2011-07-08 03:12:35 <nanotube> how can you determine whether a fork is evil
 591 2011-07-08 03:12:36 <moa7> [Tycho] : didn't know that ...  u r right, all talk.
 592 2011-07-08 03:12:47 <cuddlefish> [Tycho]: How about an API call that gives clients the block headers for a piece of work
 593 2011-07-08 03:12:51 <moa7> when it stabs you in the hand?
 594 2011-07-08 03:13:12 <nanotube> moa7: haha
 595 2011-07-08 03:13:19 <lfm> forks are recorded in blk0001.dat
 596 2011-07-08 03:13:37 <lfm> so we can go back and reveiw them any time we like
 597 2011-07-08 03:14:49 <moa7> lfm: every blk0001.dat has unique forks
 598 2011-07-08 03:14:58 <lfm> yup
 599 2011-07-08 03:15:54 <moa7> so if [Tycho] published his blk001.dat would that keep the noise down?
 600 2011-07-08 03:16:11 <lfm> naw, he could edit it
 601 2011-07-08 03:16:32 <moa7> ways around that?
 602 2011-07-08 03:17:04 <lfm> have people connect to him with -addnode and they record and publish the forks they see
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 604 2011-07-08 03:17:23 <moa7> anything stopping that?
 605 2011-07-08 03:17:34 <lfm> maybe
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 607 2011-07-08 03:18:15 <moa7> sounds like [Tycho] is offering 50 BTC for someone to do this?
 608 2011-07-08 03:18:29 <cuddlefish> [Tycho]: I'd appreciate a "reverse getwork": Given the "pre-hash", produce the block headers
 609 2011-07-08 03:18:42 <cuddlefish> [Tycho]: Then, I'd gladly create a monitoring site
 610 2011-07-08 03:19:01 <lfm> has tyco published his node number so we can -addnode him?
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 614 2011-07-08 03:19:24 <lfm> indeed does he support incoming connects?
 615 2011-07-08 03:19:42 <cuddlefish> lfm: well, there tend to be transactions in his blocks, so yes.
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 617 2011-07-08 03:20:08 <lfm> cuddlefish: huh?
 618 2011-07-08 03:20:35 <cuddlefish> lfm: if he doesn't have any connections, his blocks would be empty
 619 2011-07-08 03:21:00 <lfm> cuddlefish: he might have outgoin connects only, like behind a nat with no upnp
 620 2011-07-08 03:21:06 <cuddlefish> lfm: Ah, i see
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 623 2011-07-08 03:22:34 <lfm> [Tycho]: can we -addnode you?
 624 2011-07-08 03:23:39 <lfm> afk I guess
 625 2011-07-08 03:23:57 <moa7> actually wouldn't it be good to have biggest pool as a fallback node?
 626 2011-07-08 03:24:02 <cuddlefish> lfm: he's hiding
 627 2011-07-08 03:24:27 <lfm> shy huh
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 629 2011-07-08 03:24:31 <moa7> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
 630 2011-07-08 03:25:03 <moa7> busy
 631 2011-07-08 03:25:18 <hwolf> or his node is not on a fat pipe and would not do well against ddos
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 634 2011-07-08 03:25:56 <lfm> ya well if he prefers we could have just a few who monitor him with a address he only tells them
 635 2011-07-08 03:26:59 <lfm> ya I can see where he might prefer to not make the address too well known to keep out of ddos sights
 636 2011-07-08 03:27:40 <moa7> slush is on fallback node
 637 2011-07-08 03:27:52 <lfm> assuming it is a different address from his rpc miners address
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 640 2011-07-08 03:29:23 <moa7> $ host deepbit.net deepbit.net has address 46.4.121.118 deepbit.net has address 46.4.121.119 deepbit.net has address 91.205.41.157 deepbit.net has address 91.213.175.240
 641 2011-07-08 03:29:40 <moa7> try -addnode on those
 642 2011-07-08 03:30:40 <[Tycho]> Those are isolated frontends, there are no bitcoinds.
 643 2011-07-08 03:31:15 <jgarzik> slush runs many bitcoind's
 644 2011-07-08 03:31:16 <lfm> well, none public you are saying
 645 2011-07-08 03:31:44 <[Tycho]> Sadly open bitcoind would be too vulnerable
 646 2011-07-08 03:32:21 <moa7> so if [Tycho] published his blk001.dat would that keep the noise down?
 647 2011-07-08 03:32:32 <[Tycho]> I don't think so.
 648 2011-07-08 03:32:35 <jgarzik> no
 649 2011-07-08 03:32:41 <lfm> moa7: I dont think so either
 650 2011-07-08 03:32:47 <moa7> why not?
 651 2011-07-08 03:32:55 <[Tycho]> The service should monitor the network, not just believe me.
 652 2011-07-08 03:33:11 <moa7> ok
 653 2011-07-08 03:33:18 <jgarzik> nothing wrong with open bitcoind...  as long as it's isolated far away from your main service ;)
 654 2011-07-08 03:33:33 <lfm> moa7: if he was doing anything, his logs would agree with him
 655 2011-07-08 03:33:42 <jgarzik> same concept in router-land with bastion nodes, DMZ's, etc.
 656 2011-07-08 03:33:58 <moa7> but selected 3rd party fork monitoring is an option?
 657 2011-07-08 03:35:10 <lfm> moa7: ya, but seems like overkill till we actually have some stronger suspicician of misbehaviour.
 658 2011-07-08 03:35:34 <lfm> not just paranoia
 659 2011-07-08 03:35:50 <hwolf> you could use statistics to get paranoid
 660 2011-07-08 03:36:03 <jgarzik> you could use all sorts of things to get paranoid
 661 2011-07-08 03:36:13 <moa7> i'm not that suspicious ... but a monitoring system is pointless unless it is above suspicion
 662 2011-07-08 03:36:19 <lfm> might be interesting to develop some tools for fork reporting in general anyway
 663 2011-07-08 03:36:29 <jgarzik> lfm: we do need that, yes...
 664 2011-07-08 03:36:38 <jgarzik> double spending alerts
 665 2011-07-08 03:37:12 <lfm> jgarzik: ya that would go hand in hand  ... true
 666 2011-07-08 03:37:31 <moa7> network watchdog
 667 2011-07-08 03:37:53 <moa7> "rating agency"
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 678 2011-07-08 03:49:08 <[Tycho]> nanotube, the site would monitor all forks and list orphaned branches. About the miner feature - to prevent mining more than ~5 blocks back. You can search for both my proposals on the forum
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 680 2011-07-08 03:52:29 <lfm> one site doesnt see all forks. you need severl spread out sites to see most of them I think
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 682 2011-07-08 03:53:00 <jgarzik> lfm: correct
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 684 2011-07-08 03:53:30 <[Tycho]> If i'm correct then longer orphans will be more visible
 685 2011-07-08 03:54:24 <lfm> longer? ya I spoze. most forks are just one block, longer forks would show up over more of the net
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 688 2011-07-08 03:56:28 <[Tycho]> Hmm, if someone would like to make a double-spend, he should wait for planned orphan to reach it's target, i suppose.
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 690 2011-07-08 03:58:52 <lfm> [Tycho]: good question, exactly what would double spend look like in blk001 or on net itself?
 691 2011-07-08 03:58:59 <moa7> huh? can you clarify "planned orphan"
 692 2011-07-08 04:00:00 <[Tycho]> moa7, the branch containing first spend that will be invalidated by second one.
 693 2011-07-08 04:01:43 <moa7> ok. has anyone even attempted that, in testing for instance?
 694 2011-07-08 04:01:52 <[Tycho]> If some evil pool operator would like to trick mtGox, he should wait for more than 6 blocks before releasing alternative branch.
 695 2011-07-08 04:02:07 <lfm> what if theres just two txn enter the net to spend the same bitcoins input at the same time? 1/2 nodes see one first and half see the other. race to see which one is in next block?
 696 2011-07-08 04:02:42 <cuddlefish> lfm: yep
 697 2011-07-08 04:03:16 <[Tycho]> Six-blocks long orphan would reach most nodes unlike usual orphans.
 698 2011-07-08 04:04:44 <[Tycho]> That's why even a single node can detect them.
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 700 2011-07-08 04:04:50 <moa7> so in practicality it would be the 6-block long double spend attack?
 701 2011-07-08 04:05:09 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: or he finds mtgox's nodes (/guard nodes), and isolates them with a sybil attack. Then mines the fork just for mtgox, and then feeds mtgox the real chain once its longer. The rest of the network doesn't see the fork, and this attack doesn't technically require 50% hashpower, only enough that it can mine 6 blocks (or whatever mtgox requires) in plausable time.
 702 2011-07-08 04:05:17 <[Tycho]> You should wait to your wictim consider it confirmed.
 703 2011-07-08 04:05:23 <moa7> so 50 BTC for a 6-block orphan monitor then [Tycho]?
 704 2011-07-08 04:05:41 <[Tycho]> moa7, check that my thread at forum.
 705 2011-07-08 04:05:49 <cuddlefish> [Tycho]: Please, implement reverse getblock.
 706 2011-07-08 04:05:53 <moa7> right.
 707 2011-07-08 04:06:15 <[Tycho]> Actually I just invented a new idea, even better.
 708 2011-07-08 04:06:31 <[Tycho]> Going to write some RFC
 709 2011-07-08 04:06:46 <moa7> moa7, check that my thread at forum ... link?
 710 2011-07-08 04:07:04 <moa7> forum too big for searching sensibly now
 711 2011-07-08 04:07:26 <[Tycho]> Does it allows to see all threads created by me ? Should be just a few.
 712 2011-07-08 04:07:34 <[Tycho]> I don't remember the link.
 713 2011-07-08 04:08:43 <lfm> gmaxwell: in order to mine 6 blocks an anythink like reasonable time (fast enuf the victim doesnt get suspicious) you would need pretty near as much power as the rest of the net
 714 2011-07-08 04:09:14 <cuddlefish> lfm: suspicious doesn't matter
 715 2011-07-08 04:09:28 <cuddlefish> you have to mine 6 blocks faster than the network mines 5
 716 2011-07-08 04:09:41 <lfm> ya well if he sees no blocks/confirmations in 2 days, that is pretty suspicious
 717 2011-07-08 04:10:20 <cuddlefish> what?
 718 2011-07-08 04:10:26 <cuddlefish> why wouldn't he see other blocks
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 721 2011-07-08 04:11:02 <lfm> you are mining a fork just for him
 722 2011-07-08 04:11:06 <nanotube> cuddlefish: he said in the context of sybil attack
 723 2011-07-08 04:11:09 <cuddlefish> nanotube: Ah.
 724 2011-07-08 04:11:09 <nanotube> isolating his nodes
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 729 2011-07-08 04:15:17 <gmaxwell> lfm: yes, thus 'technically'. The more important difference being that a public style respend probably takes a very long time when you only have just over 50% and want to go back 6 blocks.
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 731 2011-07-08 04:16:26 <gmaxwell> lfm: while a 6 block respend would be 100% successful with 50% hash power (meaning matching the good network) and a sybil attack.
 732 2011-07-08 04:17:09 <gmaxwell> er, 100% suffessful in just the time it took you to mine six blocks. Since you never bother undoing.
 733 2011-07-08 04:17:27 <lfm> gmaxwell: well anyone with power to challenge the rest of the net have several vectors really they can choose from.
 734 2011-07-08 04:18:31 <gmaxwell> If you're especially good at sybil attacks you may be able to partition some miners to use their hash power too, which is fun.
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 736 2011-07-08 04:19:09 <lfm> well if you could divide the net in half you could spend your coins in both haves without needing any moning power
 737 2011-07-08 04:19:19 <lfm> mining
 738 2011-07-08 04:20:55 <gmaxwell> E.g. if PoolX has >50% hash power on one ISP, then an attacker who can compromise one ISP routers in order to partition their bitcoind can use them to mine a fork for the purpose of undoing activity happening on the rest of the network.
 739 2011-07-08 04:21:46 <lfm> if you can spend twice, you dont much care which one is eventually accepted as valid
 740 2011-07-08 04:23:08 <gmaxwell> Or more generally if you can create parititions with a nontrivial amount of hash power (enough to mine X blocks before people wonder whats up), you can do fun things.  But the more concentrated hash power is the more realistic the attack.
 741 2011-07-08 04:24:03 <lfm> gmaxwell: that is another good reason tycho has for not revealing the full extent of his net
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 743 2011-07-08 04:24:59 <gmaxwell> It's hard to hide miners though as they announce blocks.
 744 2011-07-08 04:25:48 <phantomcircuit> lol fucking banks
 745 2011-07-08 04:25:59 <phantomcircuit> they dont provide statements with unique id's for transactions
 746 2011-07-08 04:26:24 <phantomcircuit> so the only way to prevent doubling up on deposits at britcoin is to only process them once daily
 747 2011-07-08 04:26:25 <phantomcircuit> facepalm
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 750 2011-07-08 04:27:28 <lfm> dont they have timestamps? so long as two txn with same amount dont happen in same second you can tell them apart?
 751 2011-07-08 04:27:49 <phantomcircuit> timestamp? lol no they have the date
 752 2011-07-08 04:28:22 <phantomcircuit> 05/07/2011,NAME REFERENCE_CODE,+50.00
 753 2011-07-08 04:28:28 <phantomcircuit> genius amirite?
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 755 2011-07-08 04:29:13 <lfm> phantomcircuit: yup, my statements are date only too
 756 2011-07-08 04:29:54 <phantomcircuit> it's almost like they make this difficult on purpose
 757 2011-07-08 04:29:55 <phantomcircuit> hmm
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 761 2011-07-08 04:35:59 <dikidera> ;;bc,calcd 11000 1
 762 2011-07-08 04:35:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 11000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 6 minutes and 30 seconds
 763 2011-07-08 04:36:13 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: not surprising.  a great many banks operate on the "post at midnight, hackery to get by until then" legacy mode of operation
 764 2011-07-08 04:37:43 <phantomcircuit> yup
 765 2011-07-08 04:37:54 <phantomcircuit> i believe that hsbc has a better way of doing this
 766 2011-07-08 04:37:58 <phantomcircuit> but they dont make it obvious
 767 2011-07-08 04:38:06 <phantomcircuit> so ill have to call them and be annoying
 768 2011-07-08 04:40:38 <Zarutian> what is with USA banks and being in the 18th century regarding operations?
 769 2011-07-08 04:40:47 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: banks do sometimes have unique TX ids, on internal systems you're not allowed to access :)
 770 2011-07-08 04:41:31 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, lol
 771 2011-07-08 04:41:48 <phantomcircuit> Zarutian, uk banks bro
 772 2011-07-08 04:42:17 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: I've worked to interface with systems @ US banks and investment houses
 773 2011-07-08 04:43:11 <dikidera> ;;bc,stats
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 775 2011-07-08 04:43:11 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: if the bank started more than ~5 years old, their systems are probably legacy garbage from the 80's, with mainframes and such.  ugly stuff, like Very Important databases that are _column_ delimited text files
 776 2011-07-08 04:43:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 135257 | Current Difficulty: 1563027.9961162 | Next Difficulty At Block: 137087 | Next Difficulty In: 1830 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1519856.86124243
 777 2011-07-08 04:43:17 <jgarzik> e.g. fortran
 778 2011-07-08 04:44:02 <jgarzik> they never replace that stuff, just layer newer crap on top.  a great many websites wind up interfacing with code written 20+ years ago on mainframes
 779 2011-07-08 04:45:15 <senseles> cobol fear.
 780 2011-07-08 04:45:27 <lfm> cobol more than fortran
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 783 2011-07-08 04:46:03 <lfm> but ya, the 80 column card legacy will never die
 784 2011-07-08 04:46:08 <senseles> great american insurance has only been working for 20 years and 2 failed attempts to get rid of their mainframe cobol system
 785 2011-07-08 04:46:20 <senseles> and to switch over to a java (i know irght) based on coded by indians
 786 2011-07-08 04:46:38 <senseles> coding*
 787 2011-07-08 04:46:40 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, lol i know, i have a relative who working at citi in the 80s, apparently they had a complete rebuild of the entire infrastructure done and it was just killed
 788 2011-07-08 04:46:54 <phantomcircuit> replaced with a 40 million USD project that never finished
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 848 2011-07-08 06:54:10 <sipa> BlueMatt, jgarzik: my bitcoind died again (OOM)
 849 2011-07-08 06:54:55 <sipa> this never happened to me with the earlier version i was running
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 894 2011-07-08 08:10:45 <phantomcircuit> sipa, do you have the number of connections limited?
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 899 2011-07-08 08:13:52 <sipa> phantomcircuit: yes, to 16
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 909 2011-07-08 08:27:57 <erus`> Where does the backupwallet command place the backup?
 910 2011-07-08 08:28:09 <kinlo> you have to specify the directory
 911 2011-07-08 08:28:33 <phantomcircuit> god i love linux
 912 2011-07-08 08:28:36 <erus`> i just did "backup"
 913 2011-07-08 08:28:55 <phantomcircuit> just hot added a sata drive without turning off the system
 914 2011-07-08 08:28:57 <phantomcircuit> baller
 915 2011-07-08 08:29:10 <sipa> probably the cwd of the bitcoind process
 916 2011-07-08 08:29:27 <kinlo> I wasn't aware the command also works with no extra directory
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 918 2011-07-08 08:31:29 <erus`> boost::filesystem::copy_file: The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is ncorrect: "C:\Users\tomc\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin\wallet.dat", "Cackupwallet"
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 920 2011-07-08 08:34:18 <cuddlefish> yes, Cackupwallet?
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 922 2011-07-08 08:35:14 <erus`> lol i wasnt escaping my backslashes :D
 923 2011-07-08 08:36:14 <erus`> no error now butwell it saved it to here C:\Users\tomc\AppData\Local\VirtualStore
 924 2011-07-08 08:36:17 <erus`> but it did work
 925 2011-07-08 08:40:49 <sipa> phantomcircuit: bitcoin.sipa.be/dmesg.log
 926 2011-07-08 08:41:04 <erus`> json rpc is fun right guys... right... guys...
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 930 2011-07-08 08:44:45 <phantomcircuit> sipa, only 512MB?
 931 2011-07-08 08:44:50 <sipa> yes
 932 2011-07-08 08:44:54 <phantomcircuit> is this a virtual machine
 933 2011-07-08 08:45:02 <phantomcircuit> assuming openvz
 934 2011-07-08 08:45:04 <sipa> xen
 935 2011-07-08 08:45:09 <phantomcircuit> hmm
 936 2011-07-08 08:45:21 <sipa> i used to work fine with bitcoin 0.3.21
 937 2011-07-08 08:45:32 <sipa> now it doesn't last longer than a few hours-days
 938 2011-07-08 08:45:40 <sipa> *it
 939 2011-07-08 08:45:58 <phantomcircuit> what else is using memory
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 941 2011-07-08 08:48:22 <sipa> bah, i want timestamps in debug.log
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 945 2011-07-08 08:54:42 <midnightmagic> i want clean statistics about actual network events including orphaned blocks and transactions, illegal packets, sketchy transactions, and attempts at scripted transactions.
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 948 2011-07-08 08:56:29 <[Tycho]> TX scripts are funny, but disabled :(
 949 2011-07-08 08:57:04 <midnightmagic> yes, which is why i want to be notified of them.
 950 2011-07-08 08:57:27 <midnightmagic> in times past, i would have been happy to mine them into blocks, but now i'm just curious to see whether someone is trying to use them in the production network or not.
 951 2011-07-08 08:57:29 <[Tycho]> midnightmagic, join my bounty proposal on the forum :)
 952 2011-07-08 08:57:45 <midnightmagic> cool
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 975 2011-07-08 09:32:50 <dikidera> wow..looks like the samples from the AMD ADL library are all written from a bulgarian...are we that popular?
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 978 2011-07-08 09:39:31 <moa7> sipa: timestamping http://ask.metafilter.com/23391/Unix-Logging
 979 2011-07-08 09:40:26 <moa7> $tail -f debug.log | perl -nle 'print localtime()." ".$_' > timestamp_debug.log
 980 2011-07-08 09:40:53 <moa7> puts into another file stamped which you can then $tail -f timestamp_debug.log
 981 2011-07-08 09:40:54 <moa7> or
 982 2011-07-08 09:41:04 <sipa> nice :)
 983 2011-07-08 09:41:10 <moa7> tail -f [your_log_file] | gawk '{"date" | getline cur_date} {close("date")} {print "[" cur_date "] " $0}'
 984 2011-07-08 09:41:24 <moa7> for on the fly... no record
 985 2011-07-08 09:42:34 <phantomcircuit> tail -f debug.log;while read line;do echo "$(date +%s) $line" >> debug_ts.log;done
 986 2011-07-08 09:42:38 <phantomcircuit> i think that'll work
 987 2011-07-08 09:42:54 <phantomcircuit> oops
 988 2011-07-08 09:42:55 <sipa> i'd just modify bitcoin'd printf wrapper :)
 989 2011-07-08 09:43:00 <phantomcircuit> tail -f debug.log|while read line;do echo "$(date +%s) $line" >> debug_ts.log;done
 990 2011-07-08 09:43:05 <sipa> *bitcoind's
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 992 2011-07-08 09:43:30 <phantomcircuit> what you done like hacks?
 993 2011-07-08 09:43:32 <phantomcircuit> i love hacks
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 996 2011-07-08 09:44:51 <moa7> then timestamp is not optional
 997 2011-07-08 09:45:05 <moa7> since timestamp has special privilege with p2p network
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 999 2011-07-08 09:45:37 <moa7> best done by nodes ... like wallet encryption
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1002 2011-07-08 09:50:51 <dikidera> ;;bc,stats
1003 2011-07-08 09:50:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 135281 | Current Difficulty: 1563027.9961162 | Next Difficulty At Block: 137087 | Next Difficulty In: 1806 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 9 hours, 4 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1472902.02651905
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1005 2011-07-08 09:52:54 <dikidera> zomg, next diff is < current diff
1006 2011-07-08 09:52:56 <dikidera> yay
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1014 2011-07-08 10:04:34 <lfm> early days, plenty of time for it to pick up again
1015 2011-07-08 10:05:15 <cuddlefish> I lurrrrve freshen
1016 2011-07-08 10:05:17 <cuddlefish> Hey, does Bitcoin even have any tests?
1017 2011-07-08 10:05:20 <cuddlefish> i haven't seen any
1018 2011-07-08 10:05:35 <cuddlefish> Woo, just mined my first block!
1019 2011-07-08 10:05:37 <cuddlefish> anyone want some testnet coins? :P
1020 2011-07-08 10:05:40 <cuddlefish> gribble: cookies
1021 2011-07-08 10:06:05 <lfm> are you nuts?
1022 2011-07-08 10:06:42 <sipa> cuddlefish: there are plans for a testing framework, as it is really needed
1023 2011-07-08 10:06:46 <sipa> but no, nothing serious for now
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1026 2011-07-08 10:11:12 <cuddlefish> sipa: https://github.com/paoloambrosio/cukebins/wiki
1027 2011-07-08 10:11:23 <cuddlefish> if you write the steps, I'll write the features.
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1030 2011-07-08 10:12:43 <sipa> cuddlefish: we're already using boost's test framework
1031 2011-07-08 10:12:58 <cuddlefish> sipa: ah, too bad
1032 2011-07-08 10:13:01 <sipa> (which i don't know much about, tbh)
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1034 2011-07-08 10:13:17 <sipa> but the problem is mainly that it's hard to setup a test environnement
1035 2011-07-08 10:13:35 <sipa> for higher-level tests, you need a setup with a few nodes and miners
1036 2011-07-08 10:16:12 <cuddlefish> sipa: Mock the networking code
1037 2011-07-08 10:16:41 <wumpus> especially a test that would require the network to progress by mining would be annoying to set up, as the testing machine would have to do mining :-)
1038 2011-07-08 10:17:00 <sipa> wumpus: i suppose some hack with a trivial difficulty is possible
1039 2011-07-08 10:17:03 <cuddlefish> wumpus: no, you wouldn't.
1040 2011-07-08 10:17:13 <sipa> where you artificially create a network whose difficulty is 0.0001 or so
1041 2011-07-08 10:17:17 <wumpus> yes, possible, but every hack that you make makes it a less realistic test
1042 2011-07-08 10:17:20 <sipa> agree
1043 2011-07-08 10:17:21 <cuddlefish> sipa: you could have a list of blocks
1044 2011-07-08 10:17:31 <cuddlefish> and then release one, pretend you mined it
1045 2011-07-08 10:17:47 <wumpus> things like mocking are good for low-level tests, but you also want 'action' tests
1046 2011-07-08 10:17:47 <sipa> you can't mine blocks if you don't know the transactions that need to go into it
1047 2011-07-08 10:18:21 <wumpus> but yes, reducing the difficulty would be the best bet here
1048 2011-07-08 10:18:26 <cuddlefish> sipa: pre-define blocks, pre-define transactions
1049 2011-07-08 10:18:27 <sipa> my idea was modularizing the source code further to have wallets, blockchain dbs and p2p code as separately instantiatable components that interact through a 'hub'
1050 2011-07-08 10:18:37 <cuddlefish> sipa: yeah, that's carrot's take on it
1051 2011-07-08 10:18:47 <cuddlefish> Bacula-like
1052 2011-07-08 10:19:05 <wumpus> yes, that's a good idea, but that'd postpone writing tests to when this reorganisation is done
1053 2011-07-08 10:19:23 <sipa> of course, we need testing sooner
1054 2011-07-08 10:19:26 <cuddlefish> carrot is everything bitcoin should be :P
1055 2011-07-08 10:19:37 <sipa> carrot?
1056 2011-07-08 10:19:44 <cuddlefish> alternate cryptocurrency.
1057 2011-07-08 10:19:55 <cuddlefish> stuff like
1058 2011-07-08 10:20:02 <wumpus> where can you find it?
1059 2011-07-08 10:20:07 <sipa> you're referring to the use carrots joke?
1060 2011-07-08 10:20:11 <cuddlefish> wumpus: nowhere, i'm still working on it
1061 2011-07-08 10:20:14 <cuddlefish> sipa: that's the name
1062 2011-07-08 10:20:21 <wumpus> lol the farming carrots joke, ok I get it
1063 2011-07-08 10:20:37 <sipa> ah, yet another bitcoin successor?
1064 2011-07-08 10:20:38 <wumpus> I was already seriously googling for it
1065 2011-07-08 10:20:43 <wumpus> :')
1066 2011-07-08 10:20:49 <cuddlefish> sipa: But with serious improvements.
1067 2011-07-08 10:21:00 <sipa> i'm sure they all have serious improvements
1068 2011-07-08 10:21:00 <cuddlefish> sipa: Network is node/supernode architecture.
1069 2011-07-08 10:21:07 <wumpus> better to improve the current source code imo than yet another rewrite attempt
1070 2011-07-08 10:21:11 <wumpus> then again, that's just me...
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1072 2011-07-08 10:21:34 <cuddlefish> Addresses are ECDSA private key + merkle root of Lamport pubkey + checksum
1073 2011-07-08 10:21:43 <wumpus> everyone wants to be satoshi
1074 2011-07-08 10:21:48 <cuddlefish> so if ECDSA is broken, you can still prove you own an address
1075 2011-07-08 10:22:33 <cuddlefish> block + metablock + keyblock structure
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1077 2011-07-08 10:23:14 <cuddlefish> blocks contain transactions, metablocks contain transactions + difficulty + maintainance info, keyblocks contain ALL transactions since the last keyblock
1078 2011-07-08 10:23:22 <cuddlefish> so the storage problem doesn't suck
1079 2011-07-08 10:23:25 <wumpus> bitcoin could integrate those things as well, I guess, there's no reason to start anew
1080 2011-07-08 10:24:35 <Diablo-D3> meh
1081 2011-07-08 10:24:41 <Diablo-D3> after much study of this kernel
1082 2011-07-08 10:24:56 <Diablo-D3> I have come to one realization
1083 2011-07-08 10:25:25 <Diablo-D3> thank god for vim's regex function
1084 2011-07-08 10:25:34 <cuddlefish> Diablo-D3: you spelled emacs wrong
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1087 2011-07-08 10:25:58 <cuddlefish> Diablo-D3: The featureset expands to fill available RAM!
1088 2011-07-08 10:26:06 <lfm> cuddlefish: maybe easier to write tests for bitcoinj
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1104 2011-07-08 10:47:56 <Eliel_> cuddlefish: seriously, it's going to be very difficult to get traction for alternative blockchain. It'll be tough even if your system has an immediate practical advantage.
1105 2011-07-08 10:49:02 <Eliel_> that said, if bitcoin grows fast enough to hit the bottlenecks before they're fixed, it could happen.
1106 2011-07-08 10:49:19 <cuddlefish> Eliel_: Yeah. The nice thing about this architecture
1107 2011-07-08 10:50:08 <jeremias> what prevents me from slowing down the system by just generating new addresses & transactions
1108 2011-07-08 10:50:40 <cuddlefish> with 10,000 supernodes and each having just 8 supernode connections, if it's a small-world network it should take less than a second to propagate to EVERY SUPERNODE
1109 2011-07-08 10:50:57 <Eliel_> jeremias: nothing strictly prevents it but there's some transaction fee rules that'd quickly eat up your money if you did that.
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1111 2011-07-08 10:51:22 <cuddlefish> supernodes propagate to nodes on their own time, which is negligible
1112 2011-07-08 10:51:44 <cuddlefish> the block chain you have to download is capped at around 1GB max...
1113 2011-07-08 10:52:10 <cuddlefish> jeremias: generating new addresses is just stupid, the network doesn't hear about that
1114 2011-07-08 10:52:22 <Eliel_> 1GB? so, that means there's an absolute limit on the number of addresses that can be used?
1115 2011-07-08 10:52:54 <diki> ;;bc,stats
1116 2011-07-08 10:52:56 <gribble> Current Blocks: 135288 | Current Difficulty: 1563027.9961162 | Next Difficulty At Block: 137087 | Next Difficulty In: 1799 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1482364.36613964
1117 2011-07-08 10:52:59 <cuddlefish> Eliel_: no
1118 2011-07-08 10:53:25 <cuddlefish> Eliel_: that's assuming VISA transaction volume
1119 2011-07-08 10:53:33 <Eliel_> oh ok
1120 2011-07-08 10:54:28 <mtrlt> and how much bandwidth does it need at VISA tx volume?
1121 2011-07-08 10:54:34 <mtrlt> like, constantly
1122 2011-07-08 10:56:09 <cuddlefish> mtrlt: supernodes need significant amounts of bandwith, probably 500kbps up+down
1123 2011-07-08 10:56:30 <Eliel_> 500kbps? that little?
1124 2011-07-08 10:56:43 <cuddlefish> Eliel_: Optimized routing
1125 2011-07-08 10:56:57 <mtrlt> mmm
1126 2011-07-08 10:57:12 <mtrlt> i find that hard to believe without seeing it in action :p
1127 2011-07-08 10:57:33 <Eliel_> how did you calculate that 500kbps?
1128 2011-07-08 10:57:49 <lfm> I kinda doubt bitcoin will ever need visa like txn volume
1129 2011-07-08 10:57:57 <cuddlefish> Eliel_: Oh, ha, s/500/5000/
1130 2011-07-08 10:58:01 <cuddlefish> derp-de-derp
1131 2011-07-08 10:58:08 <mtrlt> lul
1132 2011-07-08 10:58:26 <Eliel_> ok, that improves beliaveability quite a bit
1133 2011-07-08 10:58:30 <Eliel_> :D
1134 2011-07-08 10:58:46 <cuddlefish> but there is compression and no stupid routing
1135 2011-07-08 10:59:23 <Eliel_> is there optimization of the sort that ends up with each node sending and receiving each transaction only once on average?
1136 2011-07-08 10:59:29 <lfm> centralized planning?
1137 2011-07-08 10:59:37 <cuddlefish> lfm: no :P
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1139 2011-07-08 10:59:53 <lfm> Eliel_: more like twice
1140 2011-07-08 11:00:48 <Eliel_> ok, so still O(n) asymptotic performance.
1141 2011-07-08 11:01:03 <Eliel_> lfm: is that for bitcoin?
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1143 2011-07-08 11:02:03 <mtrlt> 13:55 < lfm> I kinda doubt bitcoin will ever need visa like txn volume
1144 2011-07-08 11:02:04 <mtrlt> why?
1145 2011-07-08 11:02:05 <lfm> Eliel_: what if it was 8?
1146 2011-07-08 11:02:33 <cuddlefish> Eliel_: each datamessage has a list of nodes it's been routed through
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1148 2011-07-08 11:02:54 <lfm> mtrlt: cuz of the confirmation delays it just isnt suitable for point of sale
1149 2011-07-08 11:03:02 <cuddlefish> with 10,000 supernodes, that list would be slightly less than 8 on average.
1150 2011-07-08 11:03:06 <Eliel_> lfm: it means it'd take a few years more time before the world has enough average power to run bitcoin everywhere.
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1152 2011-07-08 11:03:49 <Eliel_> cuddlefish: if the list will also be used to optimize connectivity, that sounds pretty good.
1153 2011-07-08 11:04:08 <lfm> Eliel_: that wouldnt effect the confirmation delays
1154 2011-07-08 11:04:09 <cuddlefish> Eliel_: Yes, nodeIDs are just little ECDSA keypairs
1155 2011-07-08 11:04:57 <idnar> lfm: you can do 0 confirmation txes at point of sale
1156 2011-07-08 11:05:08 <mtrlt> idnar: if the network does not forget transactions.
1157 2011-07-08 11:05:18 <lfm> idnar: ya and eat the double spends
1158 2011-07-08 11:05:51 <Eliel_> shops deal with shoplifting anyway, double spends sound like would be much more rare.
1159 2011-07-08 11:05:52 <idnar> lfm: it's still better than eating credit card fraud / fees
1160 2011-07-08 11:06:12 <lfm> maybe, Im not so sure
1161 2011-07-08 11:06:45 <idnar> it doesn't seem worth the effort executing a double spend attack for small transactions
1162 2011-07-08 11:06:58 <Leo_II> double spending should be visible in the net within minutes if not seconds.
1163 2011-07-08 11:07:11 <cuddlefish> PROTIP: s/doublespending/chargeback fraud/
1164 2011-07-08 11:07:15 <lfm> Leo_II: not till you get at least 1 confirmation
1165 2011-07-08 11:07:38 <Leo_II> do miners include the first tx or do they cancel both?
1166 2011-07-08 11:07:43 <Leo_II> first then
1167 2011-07-08 11:07:58 <idnar> in a double spending attack, the attacker is also the miner
1168 2011-07-08 11:08:08 <cuddlefish> "Credit cards will never be viable, what if you buy a latte and chargeback?"
1169 2011-07-08 11:08:08 <Eliel_> I'd guess it's the first transaction that ends up in the blockchain. Alternatively, if both appear but in different blocks, the longer chain wins
1170 2011-07-08 11:08:35 <lfm> idnar: in a 0 confirm double spend they just spend the same inputs at the same time in two places, forget mining
1171 2011-07-08 11:09:05 <Leo_II> lfm: agreed
1172 2011-07-08 11:09:15 <Leo_II> but both txns would spread fast
1173 2011-07-08 11:09:24 <lfm> till they collide
1174 2011-07-08 11:09:47 <idnar> lfm: okay, fair enough, but that's even harder to do if there's a high speed clearing network
1175 2011-07-08 11:10:04 <Leo_II> so if my client sees 2 txns with 0conf conflicting, wouldn't it recognize there's something fishy? or do those txns not get propagated
1176 2011-07-08 11:10:04 <cuddlefish> idnar: supernode architecture settles that
1177 2011-07-08 11:10:04 <lfm> then each noe will only pass along the first one it sees I think
1178 2011-07-08 11:10:13 <lfm> noe -> node
1179 2011-07-08 11:10:16 <cuddlefish> Leo_II: it only sends the first one
1180 2011-07-08 11:10:20 <cuddlefish> lfm: O NODES
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1183 2011-07-08 11:11:20 <idnar> O NODENS
1184 2011-07-08 11:11:22 <Leo_II> lfm: hmmm ... wouldn't it be of interest to broadcast both? or would that again be a vector for dos attacks?
1185 2011-07-08 11:12:02 <moa7> POS will most likely be done between small mobile wallets and large retail bitcoind (or their "banks")
1186 2011-07-08 11:12:10 <Leo_II> hmmm ... if those double spend attempts would get reported somewhere, it would be a matter of seconds to see them.
1187 2011-07-08 11:12:10 <sipa> cuddlefish: how is bitcoin now not a supernode/node architecture?
1188 2011-07-08 11:12:46 <moa7> walmart needs to ert
1189 2011-07-08 11:12:53 <lfm> ert?
1190 2011-07-08 11:12:57 <moa7> get some mining rigs set-up
1191 2011-07-08 11:13:06 <moa7> s/ert/get
1192 2011-07-08 11:14:16 <moa7> or pay for pipe to deepbit
1193 2011-07-08 11:14:52 <lfm> moa7: huh? cant they just do like everyone else?
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1195 2011-07-08 11:15:41 <redshark1802> hello, anyone with knowledge about pushpool here?
1196 2011-07-08 11:15:43 <cuddlefish> sipa: everyone's a supernode.
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1198 2011-07-08 11:15:47 <moa7> and risk getting cut off like everyone else?
1199 2011-07-08 11:15:51 <cuddlefish> sipa: Create transaction. TELL EVERYBODY
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1201 2011-07-08 11:15:57 <cuddlefish> then they tell everyone else! yay!
1202 2011-07-08 11:16:05 <cuddlefish> it's one big happy spammily!
1203 2011-07-08 11:16:12 <Eliel_> cuddlefish: how about the possibility of creating more lightweight nodes?
1204 2011-07-08 11:16:13 <lfm> cuddlefish: nodes open to receive connects are more super than those that arnt
1205 2011-07-08 11:16:25 <moa7> the need to tell miners first and for sure
1206 2011-07-08 11:16:30 <Eliel_> the protocol allows this I hear
1207 2011-07-08 11:16:31 <sipa> cuddlefish: if you're a lightweight node, you don't propagate, i believe
1208 2011-07-08 11:18:03 <redshark1802> Hello, i've played a bit aroung with pushpoold and everything worked just fine. But when I asked a friend for a little test something strange happened. I have about 100MH/s my friend has 1500MH/s. As soon as my friend joined for testing i got a lot of stales, I looked it up in the datase and the reason is "unknown-work". Where does this come from? Help with this would be really nice.
1209 2011-07-08 11:19:42 <lfm> redshark1802: do you have a complete block chain?
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1212 2011-07-08 11:19:43 <cuddlefish> lfm: you don't send transactions preferentially to iother supernodes
1213 2011-07-08 11:19:53 <redshark1802> lfm: yes i do
1214 2011-07-08 11:20:59 <redshark1802> lfm: it all works fine when I test it without him
1215 2011-07-08 11:22:09 <redshark1802> i'm running bitcoin .23 and the latest pushpool (0.51)
1216 2011-07-08 11:22:11 <lfm> redshark1802: well normally stale blocks are when a miner keeps grinding on an old block after a new one has come in
1217 2011-07-08 11:22:50 <redshark1802> lfm: but would it not be stale instead of unkown-work
1218 2011-07-08 11:23:16 <lfm> server forgets about old ones when new one arrives
1219 2011-07-08 11:23:25 <lfm> maybe
1220 2011-07-08 11:23:49 <redshark1802> mhm okay, but why is this only happening to me?
1221 2011-07-08 11:24:23 <redhatzero> redshark, do the 1500MH/s of your friend come from gpu or cpu? (asking about how many getwork/s are incoming)
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1223 2011-07-08 11:25:21 <redshark1802> I just tried using only 300MH/s and I have the same problems, one HD9650
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1227 2011-07-08 11:26:03 <Leo_II> redshark1802: 15000MH/s? ... hmm ... if it was TH/s i could tell you why ;)
1228 2011-07-08 11:26:18 <redhatzero> what you can try is to increase HIST_LOG_SZ in hist.c
1229 2011-07-08 11:26:46 <lfm> 9650?
1230 2011-07-08 11:26:49 <redhatzero> but at your hashrate that shouldn't be a problem
1231 2011-07-08 11:27:01 <redshark1802> Leo_II: sadly it only 1500MH/s 6950 xD
1232 2011-07-08 11:27:18 <lfm> oh ok
1233 2011-07-08 11:27:31 <redshark1802> LP and everything is working properly
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1236 2011-07-08 11:28:21 <BlueMatt> whats the status of 0.3.24 release?
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1246 2011-07-08 11:34:57 <Joric> i've just changed date format from M/d/yyyy to dd-MMM-yy and client started to complain "Please check that your computer's date and time are correct." wtf? can't be it's using only posix time(), win7 bug?
1247 2011-07-08 11:35:02 <Joric> i'll double check this
1248 2011-07-08 11:35:55 <redshark1802> lfm: do you have an other idea?
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1250 2011-07-08 11:36:46 <Joric> uhm, no looks like it doesn't depend on date format
1251 2011-07-08 11:37:01 <Joric> just got the same message on M/d/yyyy
1252 2011-07-08 11:37:17 <lfm> redshark1802: fraid not
1253 2011-07-08 11:38:31 <redshark1802> okay thanks anyway
1254 2011-07-08 11:38:31 <lfm> Joric: $ date -u
1255 2011-07-08 11:38:31 <lfm> Fri Jul  8 11:35:49 UTC 2011
1256 2011-07-08 11:39:55 <Joric> Sat Jul  9 11:37:08 UTC 2011
1257 2011-07-08 11:40:07 <lfm> sounds ok
1258 2011-07-08 11:40:11 <Joric> seems to be correct
1259 2011-07-08 11:40:15 <lfm> cept for the date
1260 2011-07-08 11:40:27 <lfm> Fri Jul  8 11:35:49 UTC 2011
1261 2011-07-08 11:40:39 <Joric> yeah sry )
1262 2011-07-08 11:40:48 <Joric> strange
1263 2011-07-08 11:40:56 <lfm> that would do it
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1266 2011-07-08 11:42:21 <lfm> redshark1802: make s me think you guys should check your time sync too?
1267 2011-07-08 11:42:59 <redshark1802> lfm: where?
1268 2011-07-08 11:43:07 <redshark1802> lfm: on the serverside?
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1270 2011-07-08 11:43:16 <lfm> all your machines
1271 2011-07-08 11:43:48 <lfm> bitcoin isnt too picky but more than an hour makes it barf
1272 2011-07-08 11:44:07 <lfm> a day off is right out
1273 2011-07-08 11:44:16 <redshark1802> lfm: sorry I don't understand you.
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1275 2011-07-08 11:44:40 <lfm> the time between the servers and the miners should agree
1276 2011-07-08 11:44:51 <redshark1802> lfm: Why would the time of a miner effect the result?
1277 2011-07-08 11:45:24 <lfm> miners can update timestamps in a proper bitcoin protocol aspecially long poll
1278 2011-07-08 11:45:54 <redshark1802> lfm: ah okay good. I've just tested it and they're in sync
1279 2011-07-08 11:46:05 again is now known as tower
1280 2011-07-08 11:49:36 <Blitzboom> what are the chances satoshi is wei dai?
1281 2011-07-08 11:49:57 <Blitzboom> i’m sure people have already thought about that
1282 2011-07-08 11:50:00 pogden has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1283 2011-07-08 11:50:06 <lfm> whos that?
1284 2011-07-08 11:50:21 <Blitzboom> source in satoshi’s paper
1285 2011-07-08 11:50:38 <Blitzboom> http://weidai.com/bmoney.txt
1286 2011-07-08 11:50:41 <sipa> it's a possibility
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1288 2011-07-08 11:50:57 <lfm> maybe a stundent of his, not him I'd think
1289 2011-07-08 11:51:11 <lfm> student
1290 2011-07-08 11:53:53 <wumpus> yes it's been brought up before
1291 2011-07-08 11:53:59 <Joric> "I am Philip Zimmerman" (geek code generator)
1292 2011-07-08 11:54:00 <BlueMatt> ;;seen jgarzik
1293 2011-07-08 11:54:01 <gribble> jgarzik was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 7 hours, 9 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <jgarzik> they never replace that stuff, just layer newer crap on top.  a great many websites wind up interfacing with code written 20+ years ago on mainframes
1294 2011-07-08 11:54:04 <Blitzboom> what was the conclusion?
1295 2011-07-08 11:54:20 <wumpus> evidence inconclusive :)
1296 2011-07-08 11:54:31 <Blitzboom> mkay
1297 2011-07-08 11:55:25 <wumpus> I wonder if we'll ever know
1298 2011-07-08 11:55:38 <Joric> does any1 have a copy? http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt not opening
1299 2011-07-08 11:56:30 <Blitzboom> Joric: http://pastebin.com/fb71gf7X
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1301 2011-07-08 11:56:59 <Xenland> any one know how to get bitcoind to shut down if it dosn't feel like it
1302 2011-07-08 11:57:07 <Xenland> I keep running ps aux | grep bitcoind
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1304 2011-07-08 11:57:15 <Xenland> and its still there after running killall bitcoind
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1306 2011-07-08 11:57:32 <Joric> opened via anonymizer, wtf is happening with my brand new win7? :)
1307 2011-07-08 11:57:33 <redshark1802> hi, try kill -9 bitcoind(pid)
1308 2011-07-08 11:57:35 <sipa> BlueMatt: seen the bug report bij TD?
1309 2011-07-08 11:57:39 <sipa> *by
1310 2011-07-08 11:58:25 <BlueMatt> sipa: unless you can reproduce I dont think its a blocker
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1312 2011-07-08 11:58:44 <Xenland> redshark1802: Assuming the pid number is the first number reported by ps aux, I tried the following command and it said no such proccess
1313 2011-07-08 11:58:50 <sipa> i wonder if it is related to pull 385
1314 2011-07-08 11:58:54 <Xenland> kill -9 5063
1315 2011-07-08 11:59:14 <BlueMatt> I highly, doubt that
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1319 2011-07-08 11:59:49 <redshark1802> it's the second number, the first number is the userid the process is running on
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1321 2011-07-08 12:00:02 <BlueMatt> 385 has little to no effect unless we do multithreaded net
1322 2011-07-08 12:00:08 <BlueMatt> its a very minor leak
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1324 2011-07-08 12:00:11 <sipa> right
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1326 2011-07-08 12:00:29 <Xenland> Yeah the second number reports no such proccess
1327 2011-07-08 12:00:31 <Xenland> this is odd
1328 2011-07-08 12:00:35 <BlueMatt> and ThreadSocketHandler closes itself right (or should)
1329 2011-07-08 12:00:36 <Xenland> I'll just restart server i guess
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1331 2011-07-08 12:00:52 <redshark1802> try "ps aux | grep bitcoind" double check the number is correct and try again
1332 2011-07-08 12:01:58 <BlueMatt> sipa: well it wfm, Im assuming it was some fluke and might even be solved by 388
1333 2011-07-08 12:02:03 <lfm> start bitcoin with -pid switch
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1335 2011-07-08 12:02:50 <sipa> wfm?
1336 2011-07-08 12:03:00 <BlueMatt> works for me
1337 2011-07-08 12:03:16 <BlueMatt> ie I cant reproduce
1338 2011-07-08 12:03:50 <sipa> neither can i
1339 2011-07-08 12:04:03 <sipa> i really don't like the bitcoind on my vps dying though
1340 2011-07-08 12:04:18 <sipa> but i'll need more time to find out what is causing it to go OOM
1341 2011-07-08 12:04:39 <sipa> not sure if it's related to changes in the code, or changes in the network
1342 2011-07-08 12:05:17 <BlueMatt> how often is it dying?
1343 2011-07-08 12:05:22 <Xenland> This is evene wierder, i just rebooted the VPS and bitcoind is still running? I did ps aux | grep bitcoind
1344 2011-07-08 12:05:24 <Xenland> it reports this
1345 2011-07-08 12:05:24 <Xenland> root       936  0.0  0.0   6440   832 pts/0    S+   07:02   0:00 grep --color=auto bitcoind
1346 2011-07-08 12:05:37 <wumpus> lol that's you grepping your grep
1347 2011-07-08 12:05:44 <Xenland> lol what?
1348 2011-07-08 12:05:49 <redshark1802> are root atm?
1349 2011-07-08 12:05:53 <Xenland> yes
1350 2011-07-08 12:05:56 <wumpus> the process you're seeing is your grep process
1351 2011-07-08 12:06:00 <BlueMatt> that process is greping for bitcoin, not bitcoin
1352 2011-07-08 12:06:01 <wumpus> not bitcoind
1353 2011-07-08 12:06:03 <redshark1802> and you can't kill the process?
1354 2011-07-08 12:06:03 <wumpus> doh :-)
1355 2011-07-08 12:06:07 <sipa> BlueMatt: last time it ran for less than 24h
1356 2011-07-08 12:06:09 <redshark1802> doh!
1357 2011-07-08 12:06:16 <sipa> the time before that, 3 days or so
1358 2011-07-08 12:06:20 <Xenland> but i put grep bitcoind
1359 2011-07-08 12:06:22 <Xenland> not bitcoin
1360 2011-07-08 12:06:27 <redshark1802> it is reporting bitcoind in the first row xd
1361 2011-07-08 12:06:37 <Xenland> there is only one row
1362 2011-07-08 12:06:39 <redshark1802> ah no it isnt
1363 2011-07-08 12:06:40 <redshark1802> xD
1364 2011-07-08 12:06:41 <BlueMatt> sipa: hmm....well thats not good, what else changed since 0.3.23 on there?
1365 2011-07-08 12:06:46 <redshark1802> so bitcoind is not running
1366 2011-07-08 12:06:56 <redshark1802> you allways get one row
1367 2011-07-08 12:06:58 <Xenland> let me try to kill it
1368 2011-07-08 12:07:05 <lfm> no
1369 2011-07-08 12:07:05 <sipa> BlueMatt: i upgraded from 0.3.21 or so to 0.3.24, so there are quite some changes
1370 2011-07-08 12:07:12 <redshark1802> nope you can't bitcoind is not running
1371 2011-07-08 12:07:17 <wumpus> you should really use pgrep
1372 2011-07-08 12:07:18 <Xenland> yea I guess its not running....
1373 2011-07-08 12:07:23 <Xenland> Thanks guys
1374 2011-07-08 12:07:31 <Xenland> that kind of clears up one issue i thought i was having
1375 2011-07-08 12:07:34 <sipa> Xenland: you are seeing yourself grepping for bitcoind, you are not seeing bitcoind
1376 2011-07-08 12:07:43 <redshark1802> i could use some help too if you have time for it: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10321.260
1377 2011-07-08 12:07:46 <BlueMatt> sipa: oh...still not good...but I really do want to get 0.3.24 out the door, and I havent heard from anyone else its been crashing so...
1378 2011-07-08 12:07:48 <lfm> xenland do the ps grep thing again to see what it looks like when bitcoin really is running
1379 2011-07-08 12:07:59 <sipa> BlueMatt: indeed
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1381 2011-07-08 12:08:29 <Xenland> redshark1802... that is odd indeed
1382 2011-07-08 12:08:42 <Xenland> have you tried just your friend mining with out any one else?
1383 2011-07-08 12:08:56 <redshark1802> yes, it works
1384 2011-07-08 12:09:09 <Xenland> oh but you get alot of stales not your buddy?
1385 2011-07-08 12:09:19 <Xenland> hmm
1386 2011-07-08 12:09:39 <redshark1802> the weird thing they are not marked as stales in the database but "unknown-work"
1387 2011-07-08 12:09:44 <redshark1802> just a sec afk
1388 2011-07-08 12:09:55 <Xenland> I've heard of unknown-work before. I saw it once on my DB but i dont remmeber what caused the problem
1389 2011-07-08 12:10:15 <Xenland> it kind of fixed it self i guess you could say, sorry i cant be of any more help
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1392 2011-07-08 12:12:00 <redshark1802> back
1393 2011-07-08 12:12:04 <redshark1802> *reading*
1394 2011-07-08 12:12:22 <redshark1802> okay
1395 2011-07-08 12:12:28 <redshark1802> mhm that's weird
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1397 2011-07-08 12:14:19 <sipa> BlueMatt: i want to pull newenc :)
1398 2011-07-08 12:14:45 <Xenland> redshark1802: how do you go about connecting to pushpool?
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1401 2011-07-08 12:15:06 <Xenland> do you share one username and password for all miners
1402 2011-07-08 12:15:22 <Xenland> i think ip addresses might make pushpool go crazy and not accept it
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1404 2011-07-08 12:15:25 <redshark1802> xenland: no seperate usernamers
1405 2011-07-08 12:15:28 <redshark1802> *usernames
1406 2011-07-08 12:15:47 <redshark1802> and different ip addresses
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1409 2011-07-08 12:19:12 <BlueMatt> sipa: when jgarzik wakes up he can finalize 0.3.24, Ill add db txns to newenc and then you can pull :)
1410 2011-07-08 12:25:29 <Joric> hows about closing this https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/75
1411 2011-07-08 12:25:57 <tcatm> is it fixed?
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1413 2011-07-08 12:26:09 <Joric> no
1414 2011-07-08 12:26:15 <BlueMatt> then why close it?
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1416 2011-07-08 12:26:27 <Joric> fix, then close :)
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1420 2011-07-08 12:27:59 <Joric> i've tried two win32 gui clients with testnet-in-a box with different datadirs, they won't launch simultaneously
1421 2011-07-08 12:28:13 <Joric> ended with bitcoind + bitcoin
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1423 2011-07-08 12:28:47 <sipa> strange
1424 2011-07-08 12:29:05 <lfm> something in wx prevents two running?
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1427 2011-07-08 12:29:41 <BlueMatt> must be
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1429 2011-07-08 12:32:08 <Joric> yeah, even with -nolisten, just checked
1430 2011-07-08 12:32:50 <sipa> it's remarkable how often people still advise using -rescan on the forums
1431 2011-07-08 12:32:58 <sipa> since 0.3.23 that shouldn't ever be necessary
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1433 2011-07-08 12:33:40 <doublec> not that remarkable since it's still in the help
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1435 2011-07-08 12:33:59 <wumpus> "should" not be necessary :)
1436 2011-07-08 12:34:19 <doublec> the hard part is known "when"
1437 2011-07-08 12:34:34 <doublec> s/known/knowing
1438 2011-07-08 12:34:38 <wumpus> is it ever still necessary? if not, why not remove the option
1439 2011-07-08 12:35:06 <BlueMatt> sipa: oh, now I remember why I didnt pass CWalletDBs around, it would have to hit CCryptoKeyStore::EncryptKeys which no db stuff should hit anything in keystore.*...
1440 2011-07-08 12:35:37 <BlueMatt> well screw it Ill just make a global CWalletDB in CWallet and lock it
1441 2011-07-08 12:35:42 <Joric> it's not necessary wx maybe as well a win32 network code
1442 2011-07-08 12:36:10 <sipa> BlueMatt: dangerous
1443 2011-07-08 12:36:20 <BlueMatt> sipa: got a better idea?
1444 2011-07-08 12:36:20 <Joric> though bitcoind works
1445 2011-07-08 12:36:55 <sipa> BlueMatt: you could create a cs around that global
1446 2011-07-08 12:37:06 <BlueMatt> of course
1447 2011-07-08 12:37:47 <sipa> still a bit tricky, since you don't want to prevent any db interaction
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1449 2011-07-08 12:38:31 <BlueMatt> well it should handle multithreaded stuff fine
1450 2011-07-08 12:38:38 <Joric> does linux version allow two gui instances?
1451 2011-07-08 12:38:45 <BlueMatt> yes
1452 2011-07-08 12:38:48 <sipa> maybe only use and check that global in CWallet::AddCryptedKey
1453 2011-07-08 12:39:11 <BlueMatt> yea that was my idea, except it has to be created in CWallet::EncryptWallet
1454 2011-07-08 12:39:26 <sipa> indeed
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1458 2011-07-08 12:40:37 <Joric> well, win32 still doesn't allow two instances, double checked with nolisten and different ports
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1460 2011-07-08 12:41:13 <lfm> allows two bitcoind tho so points to wx
1461 2011-07-08 12:41:25 <Joric> i don't know the exact reason but the second always waits till the first will exit
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1463 2011-07-08 12:44:51 <lfm> I vaugly remember windows startup code message loop example checked for self running and exited. simplified the message que processing iirc
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1469 2011-07-08 12:48:43 <Joric> there is a ton of __WXMSW__ ifdefs i've lost
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1471 2011-07-08 12:50:20 <Joric> windows startup code as in bitcoin or as in wxwidgets themselves?
1472 2011-07-08 12:52:36 <Joric> hmhm
1473 2011-07-08 12:52:47 <Joric> init.cpp:309 // wxSingleInstanceChecker doesn't work on Linux
1474 2011-07-08 12:53:19 <Joric> the whole block after that
1475 2011-07-08 12:53:39 <Joric> "#if defined(__WXMSW__) && defined(GUI)"
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1478 2011-07-08 12:54:44 <lfm> so it should put message in log
1479 2011-07-08 12:54:55 <lfm>         printf("Existing instance found\n");
1480 2011-07-08 12:56:25 <Joric> well it should allow two instances in the first place
1481 2011-07-08 12:56:35 <lfm>     // Limit to single instance per user
1482 2011-07-08 12:56:35 <lfm>     // Required to protect the database files if we're going to keep deleting lo
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1484 2011-07-08 12:56:44 <lfm> g.*
1485 2011-07-08 12:57:51 <Joric> why it's windows only? )
1486 2011-07-08 12:57:53 <lfm> not relevant if you have separate -datadirs
1487 2011-07-08 12:58:19 <lfm> proll should just put a lock file in -datadir instead
1488 2011-07-08 12:58:28 <sipa> it does
1489 2011-07-08 12:58:29 <wumpus> it does that already
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1491 2011-07-08 12:58:46 <Joric> so probably the whole block should be removed
1492 2011-07-08 12:58:46 <lfm> k then flush that
1493 2011-07-08 12:58:51 <sipa> it seems that single instance check is older than the lock file code
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1495 2011-07-08 13:00:37 <lfm> so long as lock file works right on windows?
1496 2011-07-08 13:00:45 <sipa> right
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1508 2011-07-08 13:10:17 <Joric> got rid of that, it works now
1509 2011-07-08 13:11:10 <Joric> i'll try to run it on the same datadir
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1511 2011-07-08 13:11:42 <Joric> it says ---------------------------
1512 2011-07-08 13:11:42 <Joric> Bitcoin
1513 2011-07-08 13:11:42 <Joric> ---------------------------
1514 2011-07-08 13:11:42 <Joric> Cannot obtain a lock on data directory C:\Users\YS\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin.  Bitcoin is probably already running.
1515 2011-07-08 13:11:42 <Joric> ---------------------------
1516 2011-07-08 13:11:43 <Joric> OK
1517 2011-07-08 13:11:43 <Joric> ---------------------------
1518 2011-07-08 13:11:53 <Joric> sorry for spam
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1520 2011-07-08 13:12:16 <Joric> and exits after that, seems it works
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1522 2011-07-08 13:13:23 <b4epoche> sipa:  what're you plans for the tx fee code in wallet.cpp?  I was not able to find a semi-elegant way to get around that without messing with your code.
1523 2011-07-08 13:14:17 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: the plan is to redo how fees are handled in general
1524 2011-07-08 13:14:26 <sipa> b4epoche: i want to get rid of minimum fees whatsoever
1525 2011-07-08 13:14:56 <b4epoche> you mean 'forced' minimum fees?
1526 2011-07-08 13:14:57 <sipa> if you want a workaround right now, i'd introduce a return error code that means "too low fee", and place the minimum fee in a variable passed by reference
1527 2011-07-08 13:15:05 <sipa> yes
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1529 2011-07-08 13:15:41 <Joric> i'd move towards that http://i53.tinypic.com/2dj2flk.png
1530 2011-07-08 13:15:55 <b4epoche> okay, that workaround was what I was thinking too…  just didn't want to mess with wallet.cpp if you had an eminent plan.
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1532 2011-07-08 13:16:00 <sipa> ideally, there is a slider where you can select the fee, and it tells you how long the transaction is expected to confirm
1533 2011-07-08 13:16:19 <sipa> with a large warning if there seems a reasonable chance the tx won't be included
1534 2011-07-08 13:16:35 <sipa> and only when we have a solution for unspending transactions that do not seem to confirm
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1536 2011-07-08 13:18:24 <b4epoche> gotcha
1537 2011-07-08 13:19:40 <Joric> hm looks like miner still doesn't work with a gui client, only with bitcoind
1538 2011-07-08 13:20:12 <sipa> you need to run it -server
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1540 2011-07-08 13:21:08 <Joric> yeah, sorry
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1542 2011-07-08 13:23:17 <Joric> pity even with difficulty 1 it would take about 90 minutes (with 790khashes) to complete a block )
1543 2011-07-08 13:23:23 <Joric> i'm trying testnet in a box
1544 2011-07-08 13:23:50 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 790 0.5
1545 2011-07-08 13:23:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 790 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.5, is 45 minutes and 18 seconds
1546 2011-07-08 13:23:52 <lfm> ;;calcd 790 1
1547 2011-07-08 13:23:52 <gribble> Error: "calcd" is not a valid command.
1548 2011-07-08 13:24:07 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 790 1
1549 2011-07-08 13:24:07 <sipa> testnet difficulty 1 == realnet difficulty 0.5
1550 2011-07-08 13:24:07 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 790 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 36 seconds
1551 2011-07-08 13:24:26 <Joric> 2^32 / 790000 / 60
1552 2011-07-08 13:24:51 <sipa> difficulty 1 is actually 2^48/65535 hashes, slightly more than 2^32
1553 2011-07-08 13:24:51 <lfm> ya depends if that is real diff1 or fake testnet diff 1
1554 2011-07-08 13:26:11 <Joric> i have no idea really it's from http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/testnet-in-a-box/
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1562 2011-07-08 13:27:45 <Joric> well, it's a testnet for sure but there were two different testnets afair
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1564 2011-07-08 13:29:29 <lfm> testnet in a box should be real diff of 0.25 or somthing
1565 2011-07-08 13:29:45 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 790 0.25
1566 2011-07-08 13:29:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 790 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.25, is 22 minutes and 39 seconds
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1568 2011-07-08 13:30:06 <Joric> lfm, they are running with -testnet flag
1569 2011-07-08 13:30:07 <sipa> it can't be lower than 0.5
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1571 2011-07-08 13:32:43 <lfm> Difficulty: 0.125
1572 2011-07-08 13:32:58 <lfm> can be less than .5
1573 2011-07-08 13:33:10 <sipa> hmmm
1574 2011-07-08 13:33:11 <BlueMatt> must be a in-a-box feature
1575 2011-07-08 13:33:12 <sipa> ok
1576 2011-07-08 13:33:23 <sipa> in-a-box does not have a binary
1577 2011-07-08 13:33:34 <Joric> just tried getinfo it says says 1.0000000
1578 2011-07-08 13:33:36 <sipa> it's just a set of config files and data dirs
1579 2011-07-08 13:33:48 <lfm> thats where testnet started for first 2016 blocks (no doing silly *2 thingy)
1580 2011-07-08 13:34:21 <Joric> how to run it with difficulty < 1 ?
1581 2011-07-08 13:34:24 <BlueMatt> really, I always thought it was max 0.5 which was reported at
1582 2011-07-08 13:34:25 <BlueMatt> 1
1583 2011-07-08 13:34:44 <sipa> indeed
1584 2011-07-08 13:34:50 <sipa> i thought the same
1585 2011-07-08 13:35:07 <lfm> testnet seems to go down to 0.125 and reports it at 0.25
1586 2011-07-08 13:35:31 <Joric> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/testnet-in-a-box/ "This is a private, difficulty 1 testnet in a box."
1587 2011-07-08 13:35:44 <sipa> lfm: you're right
1588 2011-07-08 13:36:18 <lfm> dunno what testnet-in-a-box is doing
1589 2011-07-08 13:36:44 <sipa> testnet effectively started at difficulty 0.125 it seems (reported as 0.25)
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1592 2011-07-08 13:37:35 <Joric> it demands two nodes running simultaneously that's why i was bitching about several gui instances
1593 2011-07-08 13:37:57 <sipa> they don't have to be gui instances
1594 2011-07-08 13:38:09 <Joric> yeah i know it actually works with bitcoind
1595 2011-07-08 13:38:26 <lfm> I suppose it starts with whatever is put into block zero?
1596 2011-07-08 13:39:11 <Joric> it comes with precalculated 190 blocks
1597 2011-07-08 13:39:47 <Joric> and 3650.00 theoretical moneys :)
1598 2011-07-08 13:40:49 <copumpkin> many moneys!
1599 2011-07-08 13:41:07 * copumpkin steals them and converts (using patented technology) the moneys to bitcoinz
1600 2011-07-08 13:41:12 <lfm> tniabtc
1601 2011-07-08 13:42:20 <sipa> former testnet coins were actually traded for bitcoin
1602 2011-07-08 13:42:45 <lfm> copumpkin: if its patented then you have the patent publicly filed somewhere?
1603 2011-07-08 13:43:05 <copumpkin> lfm: nah, I patented a new patent process, in itself
1604 2011-07-08 13:43:15 <copumpkin> but the novelty is that the patent process is private
1605 2011-07-08 13:43:35 <copumpkin> so it's patented in a new private patented patent process
1606 2011-07-08 13:43:50 <lfm> ya, I think in the real world youd call it a "trade secret" as opposed to a patent
1607 2011-07-08 13:43:55 <Joric> damn, i'd better start a second miner it takes eternity to complete the block
1608 2011-07-08 13:44:15 <copumpkin> :(
1609 2011-07-08 13:44:25 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 790 0.125
1610 2011-07-08 13:44:26 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 790 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.125, is 11 minutes and 19 seconds
1611 2011-07-08 13:44:32 <sturles> Dit you know that patent is latin and means "be open"?
1612 2011-07-08 13:45:18 <copumpkin> yeah :)
1613 2011-07-08 13:45:23 <Joric> lfm, how to start a new 0.125 blockchain from the scratch?
1614 2011-07-08 13:45:44 <lfm> Joric: afaik the bitcoin in a box should do that
1615 2011-07-08 13:46:01 <Joric> getinfo - "difficulty 1"
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1617 2011-07-08 13:46:30 <Joric> well it's after 190 blocks maybe it was 0.125 somewhen
1618 2011-07-08 13:47:01 <lfm> ok, well you could delete your testnet datadir and just quickly start it and stop it then use that datadir with bitcoin in a box
1619 2011-07-08 13:47:31 <lfm> joic the first 2016 blocks should all be the same difficulty
1620 2011-07-08 13:49:02 <redhatzero> by the way... if i fetch a block with getblockbyhash .. what's the easiest way to find out the blocknumber?
1621 2011-07-08 13:49:38 <lfm> redhatzero: build a block chain
1622 2011-07-08 13:49:53 <redhatzero> i feared so :D
1623 2011-07-08 13:49:55 <redhatzero> ty
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1628 2011-07-08 13:59:00 <lfm> Joric: the README for testnet in a box is incorrect. the difficulty really is 0.125
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1631 2011-07-08 14:02:32 <wtfman> hey, how are u
1632 2011-07-08 14:03:11 <wtfman> i installed pushpool once again with the pushpool tech support thread, however I did this like 2 weeks ago and there was also info about blkmond
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1635 2011-07-08 14:03:37 <wtfman> now the blkmond part has been deleted. can anyone tell me what blkmond exactly does and if its still necessary?
1636 2011-07-08 14:04:11 <lfm> I cant
1637 2011-07-08 14:05:00 <redhatzero> blkmon is for longpolling
1638 2011-07-08 14:05:41 <redhatzero> it's a tiny bitcoin client that connects to your bitcoin daemon and every time a new block is found it sends a sighup to pushpool so that it does the longpolling stuff
1639 2011-07-08 14:06:11 <redhatzero> so, if you want longpolling and don't have a special patched bitcoind that does the signalling, you'll need it
1640 2011-07-08 14:06:51 <wtfman> ok. thanks
1641 2011-07-08 14:07:09 <wtfman> do u maybe have a config of blkmond which I can copy? :<
1642 2011-07-08 14:08:15 <redhatzero> either have a look in the example-blkmon.cfg that should be still lying around in the pushpool sources .. or:
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1644 2011-07-08 14:08:21 <redhatzero> host=127.0.0.1
1645 2011-07-08 14:08:21 <redhatzero> port=8333
1646 2011-07-08 14:08:21 <redhatzero> pid=/tmp/pushpoold.pid
1647 2011-07-08 14:09:00 <wtfman> does it have to be the same port like some other stuff from server.json?
1648 2011-07-08 14:09:10 <sacarlson> I have my new multicoin-qt almost working with the new qt graphics from bitcoin-qt group,  it will not be fully featured with escrow but most other features should work
1649 2011-07-08 14:09:26 <redhatzero> 8333 is the default bitcoind port, it's not related to pushpool
1650 2011-07-08 14:09:58 <redhatzero> so, host&port should point to bitcoind .. not pushpool
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1652 2011-07-08 14:10:54 <wtfman> so the same port the miners connect to? sry man
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1654 2011-07-08 14:11:31 <redhatzero> no, it's not the rpc port :) if you have a default bitcoin.conf for your daemon, just use 8333 ;)
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1657 2011-07-08 14:13:12 <lfm> miners connect to rpcport=19332
1658 2011-07-08 14:13:24 <lfm> or 8332
1659 2011-07-08 14:13:45 <redhatzero> 8333 should be the port for P2P connections
1660 2011-07-08 14:13:53 <lfm> right
1661 2011-07-08 14:14:22 <redhatzero> and blkmond works like a bitcoin daemon on it's own, so it needs 8333
1662 2011-07-08 14:15:56 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r4091b84 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Cleaned up the kernel. It probably isn't going to go faster assuming the ... https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/4091b8484fc8959159557310ae6ddf1a0b3739f8
1663 2011-07-08 14:16:48 <phantomcircuit> lol
1664 2011-07-08 14:16:52 <Joric> damnit :) after 5 minutes of nmap i've finally stumbled upon rpcallowip option
1665 2011-07-08 14:16:56 <phantomcircuit> so google has completely broken their openid implementation
1666 2011-07-08 14:16:59 <phantomcircuit> excellent work
1667 2011-07-08 14:17:07 <mercora> hey all :) we have yesterday switched to solomining and we solved a block now asking bitcoind for transactions shows one with 110 confirmations but the balnce keeps beeing 0.... could someone point me to the right direction to let me determine when i get the btc for solving the block
1668 2011-07-08 14:17:23 <Diablo-D3> mercora: after 120 confirmations.
1669 2011-07-08 14:17:43 <mercora> ah! this is a fixed value
1670 2011-07-08 14:17:44 <lfm> mercora: wait for 120 confirms
1671 2011-07-08 14:17:45 <mercora> -???
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1673 2011-07-08 14:18:00 <lfm> ya it is fixed
1674 2011-07-08 14:18:10 <mercora> is this implemented in those scripts or in the client ?
1675 2011-07-08 14:18:11 <sipa> the network will not accept generated coins that are less than 100 transactions old
1676 2011-07-08 14:18:15 <Diablo-D3> mercora: yes, its fixed. you have to wait until bitcoin is absolutely sure the block is now historical
1677 2011-07-08 14:18:17 <sipa> it's a network rule
1678 2011-07-08 14:18:29 <sipa> the client increases this to 120
1679 2011-07-08 14:18:41 <sipa> because of certain attacks that may be possible otherwise
1680 2011-07-08 14:18:55 <wtfman> thx redhatzero
1681 2011-07-08 14:19:21 <mercora> ah thats fine with me i just was wondering if something goes wrong because a quick search said also 100validations :)
1682 2011-07-08 14:19:38 <lfm> ya, you are close
1683 2011-07-08 14:19:45 <Joric> two machines, 310 khashes + 790 khashes, whoa i'm a massive miner
1684 2011-07-08 14:20:14 <gmaxwell> sipa: What attack is exposed that e.g. the use of nlocktime wouldn't produce?
1685 2011-07-08 14:20:28 <lfm> Joric: the README for testnet in a box is incorrect. the difficulty really is 0.125
1686 2011-07-08 14:20:57 <lfm> and getinfo should report it as 0.25
1687 2011-07-08 14:21:01 <Joric> lfm, how so? getinfo says 1.0
1688 2011-07-08 14:21:20 <lfm> maybe you did something wrong
1689 2011-07-08 14:21:22 <Joric> why it should report 0.25 if it reports 1.0
1690 2011-07-08 14:21:48 <sipa> gmaxwell: nlocktime has the same problem, i suppose
1691 2011-07-08 14:22:01 <gmaxwell> K.
1692 2011-07-08 14:22:17 <lfm> I dunno why it reports false numbers that way.
1693 2011-07-08 14:22:36 <Joric> lfm, so it's both readme and me
1694 2011-07-08 14:22:41 <lfm> joric did you use  bitcoin -datadir=1 setgenerate true
1695 2011-07-08 14:22:56 <gmaxwell> Spending right at 100 runs into forwarding issues in any case, because your neighbors may not have heard about the block quite yet (I expirenced this first hand with namecoin)
1696 2011-07-08 14:23:16 <lfm> joric did you use  bitcoin -datadir=1 getinfo
1697 2011-07-08 14:23:30 <Joric> yes
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1699 2011-07-08 14:25:49 <Joric> <lfm> Joric: the README for testnet in a box is incorrect. the difficulty really is 0.125
1700 2011-07-08 14:25:58 <Joric> could you please tell me why do you think so?
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1703 2011-07-08 14:30:16 <lfm> joric I looked at the actual blocks in the block chain and their difficulty in the block headers is 0.125
1704 2011-07-08 14:31:08 <Joric> looks legit i've just got a block it was a way too fast
1705 2011-07-08 14:31:44 <Joric> have no idea why getinfo reports 1.0 then
1706 2011-07-08 14:33:08 <Joric> rpc.cpp:207 // minimum difficulty = 1.0
1707 2011-07-08 14:33:33 <lfm> ya it lies again
1708 2011-07-08 14:33:38 <Joric> // Floating point number that is a multiple of the minimum difficulty
1709 2011-07-08 14:34:03 <Joric> damnit :)
1710 2011-07-08 14:35:21 <sipa> the code does allow lower numbers though
1711 2011-07-08 14:36:01 <lfm> ya there is several levels of sillyness in the testnet difficulty stuff
1712 2011-07-08 14:36:44 <sipa> indeed
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1714 2011-07-08 14:38:22 <lfm> joric my bitocin in a box reports     "difficulty" : 0.12500000,
1715 2011-07-08 14:38:52 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: the pullrequest for encryption isn't in-sync with the encrpytion description in the commit. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/352  vs https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/e25317f61ed7fe7635e40f998f34e20bf29178b1 E.g. it says "password"
1716 2011-07-08 14:39:02 <lfm>     "version" : 32300,
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1719 2011-07-08 14:39:34 <sipa> gmaxwell: the pull req also still says EVP with AES256
1720 2011-07-08 14:39:54 <Joric> 32002 here
1721 2011-07-08 14:40:15 <sipa> 0.3.22 had a patch that fixed an inaccuracy in the difficulty calculation
1722 2011-07-08 14:40:15 <lfm> joric might want to upgrade then
1723 2011-07-08 14:40:20 <wtfman> one more question to blkmond. it actually stops running after a while redhatzero
1724 2011-07-08 14:40:35 <wtfman> probably not supposed to stop, or?
1725 2011-07-08 14:40:41 <redhatzero> no, it shouldn't
1726 2011-07-08 14:40:41 <Joric> lfm, 32400 reports 0.12500000
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1729 2011-07-08 14:41:26 <lfm> ya prolly that difficulty correction dropped some of the sillyness
1730 2011-07-08 14:41:27 <redhatzero> i had such problems with blkmond, bitcoind disconnected it... try restarting bitcoind and right after that start blkmond
1731 2011-07-08 14:41:33 <Joric> someone fix readme on sourceforge then :)
1732 2011-07-08 14:41:36 <redhatzero> and see if it keeps running then
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1734 2011-07-08 14:42:58 <wtfman> ok. ty
1735 2011-07-08 14:43:02 <lfm> joric for most people 0.125 and 1.0 difficulty are not much different
1736 2011-07-08 14:43:08 <Joric> why generation was removed from the client?
1737 2011-07-08 14:43:14 <Joric> i mean, from the menu
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1739 2011-07-08 14:43:51 <sipa> BlueMatt: to conform to the coding standard, encryptionWalletDB should be called pwalletdbEncryption
1740 2011-07-08 14:43:55 <lfm> joric it is just cpu generation and cpu generation does not make sense for most people. gpu is so much more effective
1741 2011-07-08 14:44:14 <sipa> BlueMatt: i don't really care if it's not conformant, though
1742 2011-07-08 14:45:09 <Joric> lfm, i'd not say that 0.124 and 1.0 are not that different :) "most" people don't have opencl
1743 2011-07-08 14:45:33 <sipa> Joric: then most people shouldn't be mining
1744 2011-07-08 14:45:37 <BlueMatt> Ill update that, though I also think I broke that standard in several places wrt a Crypter object
1745 2011-07-08 14:45:59 <sipa> Joric: if they really want to, they can use a dedicated cpu miner, which is faster, better maintained and supports pooled mining
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1747 2011-07-08 14:46:22 <sipa> the miner in the client itself is just for reference and testing purposes
1748 2011-07-08 14:46:52 <lfm> Joric: actually any new gpu these days from ati or nvidia will support opencl
1749 2011-07-08 14:47:38 <lfm> now if you are saying most people do not have a new computer, well ok
1750 2011-07-08 14:48:25 <lfm> but even real cheap gpu do run opencl
1751 2011-07-08 14:50:08 <sipa> BlueMatt: also, the text in the pull req itself is a bit outdated
1752 2011-07-08 14:50:15 <sipa> if you haven't seen gmaxwell's remark
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1756 2011-07-08 14:51:14 <Joric> i don't see why not add opencl miner then
1757 2011-07-08 14:51:45 <BlueMatt> sipa: I thought I updated the commit...
1758 2011-07-08 14:51:48 <lfm> Joric: not the purpose of a "reference"
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1760 2011-07-08 14:51:54 <BlueMatt> sipa: though I did never bother with the pull req text
1761 2011-07-08 14:52:15 <sipa> Joric: because opencl-based is probably one of the hardest thing to maintain for a multi-platform project
1762 2011-07-08 14:52:29 <lfm> joric if you really wanna mine then get a gpu miner
1763 2011-07-08 14:52:44 <BlueMatt> sipa: happy?
1764 2011-07-08 14:53:07 <sipa> BlueMatt: haha, yes :D
1765 2011-07-08 14:54:21 <BlueMatt> well, Im bored, Im gonna go see if I can whip up a CNet
1766 2011-07-08 14:54:30 <sipa> cnet ?
1767 2011-07-08 14:54:39 <BlueMatt> net code in a class
1768 2011-07-08 14:54:45 <sipa> ok, good :)
1769 2011-07-08 14:56:05 <BlueMatt> also, might it be a good idea for alternate chains to use a different pchMessageStart
1770 2011-07-08 14:56:17 <BlueMatt> that way they absolutely cant connect to normal nodes
1771 2011-07-08 14:56:19 <BlueMatt> or to each other
1772 2011-07-08 14:56:35 <sipa> i assume they did change that
1773 2011-07-08 14:56:52 <BlueMatt> oh, well that shows how much I know
1774 2011-07-08 14:57:06 <sipa> same here - it's purely a guess
1775 2011-07-08 14:57:20 <lfm> and the address prefix thingy too? 0=main net, 111=testnet
1776 2011-07-08 14:57:57 <sipa> lfm: namecoin use 52, groupcoin uses 244
1777 2011-07-08 14:58:05 <lfm> ok cool
1778 2011-07-08 14:58:11 <BlueMatt> whats groupcoin?
1779 2011-07-08 14:58:13 <sipa> and i did a post about those prefixes on the dev mailing list
1780 2011-07-08 14:58:37 <sipa> BlueMatt: i assume something supporting escrow transactions
1781 2011-07-08 14:59:03 <BlueMatt> oh, they dont need another chain for that
1782 2011-07-08 14:59:14 <BlueMatt> just some miners with modified IsStandard
1783 2011-07-08 14:59:27 <BlueMatt> luke already accents !IsStandard if it pays a fee iirc
1784 2011-07-08 14:59:29 <sipa> indeed
1785 2011-07-08 14:59:33 <BlueMatt> accepts*
1786 2011-07-08 14:59:37 <sipa> but they do need other addresses, i suppose
1787 2011-07-08 15:00:48 <BlueMatt> well ideally you just specify two addresses instead of getting complicated and combining them and crap
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1789 2011-07-08 15:02:44 <sipa> no idea
1790 2011-07-08 15:03:21 <sipa> but according to the version byte proposal, 244 uses the 'private' bit
1791 2011-07-08 15:03:25 <sipa> so i don't care
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1805 2011-07-08 15:26:55 <pakiaries> hello
1806 2011-07-08 15:27:13 <pakiaries> how many bitcoins do i have
1807 2011-07-08 15:27:25 <BlueMatt> -1
1808 2011-07-08 15:27:31 <pakiaries> ha
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1810 2011-07-08 15:29:39 <pakiaries> how do
1811 2011-07-08 15:30:05 <pakiaries> i do
1812 2011-07-08 15:31:08 <pakiaries> i do fine
1813 2011-07-08 15:32:06 <pakiaries> what graphic cards can handle
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1815 2011-07-08 15:32:27 <pakiaries> huh
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1818 2011-07-08 15:35:11 <sipa> pakiaries: if you want an answer to that, i'd suggest searching the wiki for mining hardware comparison, and llooking for your card there
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1820 2011-07-08 15:36:31 <pakiaries> thanks
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1827 2011-07-08 15:40:13 <pakiaries> hey superman
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1829 2011-07-08 15:40:36 <sipa> superman always pays only a short visit
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1831 2011-07-08 15:41:27 <ThomasV> MagicalTux: could you install Extension:Google Maps on your wiki ? ( I know you're busy, but well, it can't be worse than 2 weeks ago)
1832 2011-07-08 15:41:31 <Joric> haha there's a whole bunch of mac 'ui issues' https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16
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1835 2011-07-08 15:43:05 <pakiaries> hes back
1836 2011-07-08 15:43:19 <Joric> i have a couple of apps in the mac app store, have to say it's very tough to get approved
1837 2011-07-08 15:43:41 <pakiaries> hows the money with your apps
1838 2011-07-08 15:43:45 <pakiaries> any good returns?
1839 2011-07-08 15:43:51 <Joric> terrible, actually
1840 2011-07-08 15:43:59 <pakiaries> o
1841 2011-07-08 15:44:12 <pakiaries> guess ure not catchign anyone's eyes
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1843 2011-07-08 15:44:54 <pakiaries> theres a little advertising that has to be done at the beginning though...to grab an audience
1844 2011-07-08 15:44:57 <pakiaries> then word of mouth starts
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1846 2011-07-08 15:45:23 <sipa> Joric: you should write a game, where you can shoot with pigs towards birds
1847 2011-07-08 15:45:32 <pakiaries> hahahha
1848 2011-07-08 15:45:40 <Joric> sipa, you won't believe
1849 2011-07-08 15:46:21 <pakiaries> someone should write an app that trades bitcoins
1850 2011-07-08 15:46:53 <b4epoche> pakiaries:  I'm working on it
1851 2011-07-08 15:47:02 <sipa> won't be allowed, i fear
1852 2011-07-08 15:47:36 <b4epoche> http://snapplr.com/vq8h
1853 2011-07-08 15:47:59 <b4epoche> has anyone but the guy with the iOS app tried?
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1855 2011-07-08 15:48:24 * b4epoche still believes that fella didn't understand the reason for rejection
1856 2011-07-08 15:48:41 <sipa> how so?
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1858 2011-07-08 15:49:04 <b4epoche> well, he was having his app spawn bitcoind and then talking to that via rpc
1859 2011-07-08 15:49:21 <sipa> that's a good reason for rejection
1860 2011-07-08 15:49:24 <b4epoche> spawning another process is very much frowned upon
1861 2011-07-08 15:49:28 <sipa> but iirc not the reason that was given
1862 2011-07-08 15:50:02 <b4epoche> well, he says it had to do with 'intermediate currency', and I say it had to do with 'intermediate process'
1863 2011-07-08 15:50:20 <sipa> hmm, that'd explain
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1865 2011-07-08 15:50:27 <b4epoche> and wonder if there was poor comm.
1866 2011-07-08 15:51:21 <Joric> the man behind dorky birds is Peter Levin, an american venture investor
1867 2011-07-08 15:51:25 <Joric> the whole thing is just an oversized media bubble
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1869 2011-07-08 15:52:04 <b4epoche> angry birds /is/ fun...
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1871 2011-07-08 15:52:41 <b4epoche> and as a mechanical engineer and programmer, I was amazed at the performance on the original iPhone.
1872 2011-07-08 15:52:50 <Joric> well, no
1873 2011-07-08 15:53:04 <b4epoche> ?
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1876 2011-07-08 15:54:20 <erus`> b4epoche one could probably do rigid body dynamics on a snes
1877 2011-07-08 15:55:34 <b4epoche> sure, but the collision detection, etc. is tough.  I think they did a great job with the trade-offs between realism and performance.
1878 2011-07-08 15:55:44 <b4epoche> it's less of an issue now
1879 2011-07-08 15:56:02 <b4epoche> and you can see they've added more cpu-intensive elements (chains, etc.)
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1881 2011-07-08 15:56:40 <erus`> its a very polished game though
1882 2011-07-08 15:56:41 <Joric> http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2011/02/28/creator-of-angry-birds-physics-engine-calls-out-rovio-for-not-giving-him-credit/
1883 2011-07-08 15:56:50 <Joric> it's box2d
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1885 2011-07-08 15:57:18 <pakiaries> hello
1886 2011-07-08 15:57:33 <b4epoche> they had said it was their own engine
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1890 2011-07-08 15:59:42 <phantomcircuit> b4epoche, which ironically violates the license
1891 2011-07-08 15:59:42 <b4epoche> interesting, I hadn't followed that.  When it first came out I did some digging to figure out what they were using.
1892 2011-07-08 15:59:43 <phantomcircuit> fail
1893 2011-07-08 16:00:56 <midnightmagic> angry birds is just artillerus, and i preferred artillerus
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1895 2011-07-08 16:01:39 <b4epoche> yea, I was surprised (and impressed) that it was their own engine…  I guess I'm not anymore
1896 2011-07-08 16:02:25 <b4epoche> although I bet they did some tuning at least.
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1906 2011-07-08 16:13:19 <pakiaries> angry birds got lucky
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1908 2011-07-08 16:14:13 <b4epoche> to some extent, yes…  but it's really a fun game.
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1910 2011-07-08 16:15:30 <BlueMatt> ;;seen jgarzik
1911 2011-07-08 16:15:30 <gribble> jgarzik was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 11 hours, 31 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <jgarzik> they never replace that stuff, just layer newer crap on top.  a great many websites wind up interfacing with code written 20+ years ago on mainframes
1912 2011-07-08 16:15:46 <pakiaries> o im not trying to say its a bad game...they created a game that appeals to everyone
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1914 2011-07-08 16:16:09 <pakiaries> maybe if you can remake tetris..you can make a million dollars
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1916 2011-07-08 16:17:13 <b4epoche> I doubt they could have predicted it would be such a hit
1917 2011-07-08 16:17:39 <b4epoche> and I'm guessing a lot of what makes it addictive was not 'planned'
1918 2011-07-08 16:18:21 * b4epoche played far too much tetris during his freshman year of college (when it first came out)
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1920 2011-07-08 16:23:51 <Joric> i like that bug https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/263 :)
1921 2011-07-08 16:24:04 <Joric> "0.3.22rc2 Says 0.0005 in the warning dialog but takes 0.01 as a fee for small transactions"
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1923 2011-07-08 16:24:41 <BlueMatt> we need a bug #1 that just says "Bitcoin isnt used widely enough" or "People still use USD"
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1925 2011-07-08 16:25:12 <Joric> do you use ubuntu by the way?
1926 2011-07-08 16:25:50 <sipa> we need a bug #0 pway too many people are using bitcoin
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1928 2011-07-08 16:26:52 <JFK911> need more users, less miners
1929 2011-07-08 16:27:50 <pakiaries> i agree
1930 2011-07-08 16:29:06 <Joric> i was dreaming of less bug reporters when i was a developer
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1932 2011-07-08 16:31:58 <phantomcircuit> bug reports are great
1933 2011-07-08 16:32:03 <phantomcircuit> when they're well thought out
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1935 2011-07-08 16:32:11 <phantomcircuit> the "IT DOESNT WORK" ones are not useful
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1937 2011-07-08 16:32:36 <phantomcircuit> ./vanitygen -r "1.*[bB3][rR2][iI1][tT7][cC][oO0][iI1][nN].*"
1938 2011-07-08 16:32:40 <phantomcircuit> lol this is gonna take a while
1939 2011-07-08 16:32:59 <copumpkin> BlueMatt: done
1940 2011-07-08 16:33:26 <Joric> phantomcircuit, where i may download that??
1941 2011-07-08 16:33:39 <phantomcircuit> it's on github somewhere
1942 2011-07-08 16:33:48 <Joric> .k
1943 2011-07-08 16:34:36 <Joric> oh noes, it does not use gpu :(
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1946 2011-07-08 16:35:59 <phantomcircuit> Joric, i dont know of one that does
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1949 2011-07-08 16:38:39 <pakiaries> hi
1950 2011-07-08 16:39:23 <BlueMatt> copumpkin: can we get a "how to reproduce" description on that?
1951 2011-07-08 16:40:16 <Joric> 1LoveRg5t2NCDLUZh6Q8ixv74M5YGVxXaN 'i love Rg' ? :)
1952 2011-07-08 16:40:51 <copumpkin> BlueMatt: updated
1953 2011-07-08 16:41:20 <BlueMatt> copumpkin: lol ok, I was thinking more along the lines of, when I checkout on amazon, there is no bitcoin button...
1954 2011-07-08 16:41:23 <BlueMatt> but that works too
1955 2011-07-08 16:41:27 <copumpkin> oh, okay
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1958 2011-07-08 16:44:25 <copumpkin> BlueMatt: there, refined it a bit more. I think it's ready to be accepted?
1959 2011-07-08 16:44:43 <BlueMatt> sounds good
1960 2011-07-08 16:45:04 <BlueMatt> now lets see whos the first to ruin the fun and close it all serious-like
1961 2011-07-08 16:45:31 <erus`> close what? where? who?
1962 2011-07-08 16:45:37 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/391
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1966 2011-07-08 16:51:55 <Joric> starting from coreutils 6.4 rm -rf / doesn't remove root directory
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1969 2011-07-08 16:53:32 <erus`> trolls trolling trolls trolling...
1970 2011-07-08 16:53:51 * copumpkin isn't a troll :(
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1972 2011-07-08 16:55:01 <Joric> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rm_(Unix)#Protection_of_.2F
1973 2011-07-08 16:55:12 <Vojtech> Hi, I'm almost desperate... I was mining for like 3 days with no and now nothing for like 3 days. Still getting "FATAL kernel error: Failed to load OpenCL kernel!" on ArchLinux. Can anyone help me? Or point me to some tut or something? I have found guide for Ubuntu, but I think I'm doing no differences...
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1975 2011-07-08 16:55:46 <erus`> GNU rm refuses to execute rm -rf / if the --preserve-root option is given
1976 2011-07-08 16:56:01 <Joric> ...which has been the default since version 6.4 of GNU Core Utilities
1977 2011-07-08 16:56:01 <erus`> so without the flag it will then?
1978 2011-07-08 16:56:47 <timdau> with diablominer, how many barts should I see with a 6870?
1979 2011-07-08 16:56:48 <Joric> still most ubuntus does not have --preserve-root by default
1980 2011-07-08 16:57:28 <Joric> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/+bug/174283
1981 2011-07-08 16:57:55 <Joric> it's an anti-ubuntu thing :)
1982 2011-07-08 16:58:36 <wtfman> sup. anyone knows if you can surpress the messages from blkmond so its not spamming ur shell all the time? :)
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1986 2011-07-08 17:09:21 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ?
1987 2011-07-08 17:10:14 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: oh, Ive just been watching to see when you get on wrt to when 0.3.24 gets pushed
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1991 2011-07-08 17:11:45 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: sipa reported he was seeing some OOMs
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1993 2011-07-08 17:11:59 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: though I wonder if it's related to new changes, or a problemunrelated to 0.3.24
1994 2011-07-08 17:12:14 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I'm leaning towards pushing out 0.3.24 and let's get on with it...
1995 2011-07-08 17:12:18 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: I think the conclusion there was probably nothing to do with 0.3.24
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1997 2011-07-08 17:13:42 <Joric> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/75 "Second GUI not possible in Windows" is pretty much fixable
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1999 2011-07-08 17:14:01 <BlueMatt> Joric: not a regression, too late for 0.3.24
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2007 2011-07-08 17:27:33 <BlueMatt> copumpkin: and jgarzik takes the cake ;)
2008 2011-07-08 17:28:40 <copumpkin> jgarzik: meanie!
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2012 2011-07-08 17:30:16 <jine> A question... I'm running phoenix 1.5, and I'm seeing a lot of "HTTP Bad requests" in wireshark - it seems like it's JSON-RPC calls without getwork, is there something to do about it? Something like this: {"jsonrpc": "1.0", "id":"1", "error": false }
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2019 2011-07-08 17:31:34 <Joric> Vojtech, just take opencl binaries from win32 miner, worked for me
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2021 2011-07-08 17:32:37 <Vojtech> Joric: where can I find them?
2022 2011-07-08 17:33:04 <Vojtech> Joric: from phoenix miner?
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2030 2011-07-08 17:35:25 <dinox> anyone who wants to share a mainnet node?
2031 2011-07-08 17:35:49 <dinox> is bitcoin.sipa.be still on mainnet?
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2033 2011-07-08 17:36:00 <BlueMatt> why do you want to share a node?
2034 2011-07-08 17:36:07 <BlueMatt> its not hard to run one, just download and run
2035 2011-07-08 17:36:16 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: did you verify that your GUI build included working upnp support?
2036 2011-07-08 17:36:21 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yes
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2038 2011-07-08 17:37:45 <phantomcircuit> mtgox is still having weird trades
2039 2011-07-08 17:37:46 <dinox> BlueMatt: I have problems with bitcoind not getting any connections and want an ip to a bitcoin node :)
2040 2011-07-08 17:38:14 <Joric> Vojtech, sorry i'm totally wrong i just remembered i took *.cubin for rpcminer-cuda :)
2041 2011-07-08 17:38:29 <BlueMatt> dinox: just use -dnsseed or 0.3.24
2042 2011-07-08 17:38:56 <Joric> cuda miner is horribly slow btw
2043 2011-07-08 17:39:22 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * rc05d011 / locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po : Merge pull request #376 from codler/translate ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/c05d011fba95fa49b84baf8f84f3b1e083039877
2044 2011-07-08 17:41:26 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * rf087364 / locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.mo : Compile 'sv' translation - http://bit.ly/ppcpxa https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f08736405e98d0f16ec294606dda782043d5ab3d
2045 2011-07-08 17:41:26 <dinox> BlueMatt: I'm on 0.3.22, there is no -dnsseed. You dont know of an ip or dns to a node?
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2048 2011-07-08 17:42:51 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, sipa, tcatm: v0.3.24 tagged
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2050 2011-07-08 17:47:17 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: you dont need a rebuild for that, just copy the translation and push to sf
2051 2011-07-08 17:48:01 <Vojtech> Joric: I was successfuly mining for several days, but then I was automating mining using bash scripting, tuning server and after that I was not able to start mining again. Today I have reinstalled OS (home dir preserved), installed amdstream, miners, catalyst and catalyst-utils, but no success... still "Failed to load OpenCL kernel!". BTW: OpenCL kernels are e.g. phatk and poclbm, or something else?
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2053 2011-07-08 17:48:56 <OneTimePad> Vojtech: Just use LinuxCoin. Boot from USB works out of the box. If you decide to stop mining boot back into your hd
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2055 2011-07-08 17:52:13 <erus`> what ever happened with that openbsd government secret code thing?
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2057 2011-07-08 17:52:29 <Joric> Vojtech, have no idea, found out i took precompiled cuda binaries (*.cubin)
2058 2011-07-08 17:52:34 <BlueMatt> it was pretty much proved bs
2059 2011-07-08 17:53:19 <Vojtech> OneTimePad: I wanted to use that computer also as a file/web server... But I'll try LinuxCoin as you are suggesting...
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2064 2011-07-08 17:57:31 <OneTimePad> Vojtech: If you use linuxcoin, you can also use it as a file/webserver. Use a persistent install and set it all up. May not be able to run TB's of data from a flash drive but something simple should still work fine. It's just a specialized ubuntu build.
2065 2011-07-08 17:58:02 <phantomcircuit> a specialized ubuntu build
2066 2011-07-08 17:58:07 <phantomcircuit> why the fuck would you do that to people
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2071 2011-07-08 17:59:27 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: ?
2072 2011-07-08 17:59:42 <phantomcircuit> ubuntu has a tendency to break
2073 2011-07-08 17:59:44 <phantomcircuit> for no reason
2074 2011-07-08 17:59:53 <denisx> phantomcircuit: make a better one
2075 2011-07-08 18:00:05 <phantomcircuit> let me rephrase
2076 2011-07-08 18:00:20 <BlueMatt> <phantomcircuit> a specialized ubuntu build...of what?
2077 2011-07-08 18:00:24 <phantomcircuit> what's the point of a bitcoin build?
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2079 2011-07-08 18:00:36 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, a ubuntu custom distro... for bitcoin
2080 2011-07-08 18:00:47 <BlueMatt> that seems like overkill
2081 2011-07-08 18:00:50 <BlueMatt> why not dsl
2082 2011-07-08 18:00:52 <dinox> phantomcircuit: It's a bitcoin _miner_ build
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2084 2011-07-08 18:01:00 <BlueMatt> still, dsl or smth
2085 2011-07-08 18:01:03 <phantomcircuit> dinox, OH
2086 2011-07-08 18:01:04 <phantomcircuit> hmm
2087 2011-07-08 18:01:12 <phantomcircuit> that i can see a point
2088 2011-07-08 18:01:13 <BlueMatt> dsl with drivers
2089 2011-07-08 18:01:22 <BlueMatt> still much better than a full ubuntu build
2090 2011-07-08 18:01:24 <dinox> that would be nice BlueMatt
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2092 2011-07-08 18:01:34 <dinox> someone has to do it though
2093 2011-07-08 18:01:49 <BlueMatt> well the guy who did an ubuntu build should have done that instead
2094 2011-07-08 18:02:05 <Joric> phantomcircuit, what os are you using btw?
2095 2011-07-08 18:02:12 <dinox> dsl >>> ubuntu in hardness
2096 2011-07-08 18:02:13 <phantomcircuit> Linux workstation 2.6.38-gentoo-r6 #8 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jul 5 11:00:03 CEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
2097 2011-07-08 18:02:19 <phantomcircuit> HARD CORE UP IN HERE
2098 2011-07-08 18:02:24 <Joric> gentoooo
2099 2011-07-08 18:02:39 <phantomcircuit> got mah UPS and mirrored LVM up in here
2100 2011-07-08 18:02:43 <phantomcircuit> system is rock solid
2101 2011-07-08 18:02:58 <BlueMatt> dinox: noone but you thinks everything is impossibly hard
2102 2011-07-08 18:02:58 <denisx> my pool is running on freebsd with ZFS
2103 2011-07-08 18:02:59 <phantomcircuit> except for the whole mobo being a broken sandy bridge chipset
2104 2011-07-08 18:03:07 <denisx> I wish I could also mine with freebsd
2105 2011-07-08 18:03:19 <phantomcircuit> ZFS is loverly
2106 2011-07-08 18:03:31 <phantomcircuit> but i stopped using freebsd after a particularly stupid root exploit
2107 2011-07-08 18:03:42 <phantomcircuit> it was so obvious upon inspection that i just couldn't keep using freebsd
2108 2011-07-08 18:03:54 <dinox> BlueMatt: I dont... but I say it would take me a longer time to get dsl working than ubuntu
2109 2011-07-08 18:04:04 <Joric> were you guys thinking of getting rid of 'boost'?
2110 2011-07-08 18:04:09 <BlueMatt> dinox: thats the poing of a full bitcoin build, you dont have to do anything
2111 2011-07-08 18:04:13 <BlueMatt> Joric: no
2112 2011-07-08 18:04:22 <phantomcircuit> dinox, it's not a matter of getting it working, it's a matter of it continuing to work
2113 2011-07-08 18:04:30 <phantomcircuit> which is something ubuntu is exceptionally bad at
2114 2011-07-08 18:04:39 <dinox> hehe
2115 2011-07-08 18:04:53 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: any linux is 1000x better at it than windows
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2117 2011-07-08 18:05:00 <dinox> my ubuntu server has been rock-solid for 2 years of uptime now
2118 2011-07-08 18:05:03 <phantomcircuit> blueadept, true
2119 2011-07-08 18:05:09 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, ^
2120 2011-07-08 18:05:13 <dinox> I cant see the problem there
2121 2011-07-08 18:05:21 <phantomcircuit> dinox, have you tried to do anything out of the ordinary at all
2122 2011-07-08 18:05:41 <dinox> except of file-sharing or webhosting? no
2123 2011-07-08 18:06:02 <phantomcircuit> then yeah it'll probably be fine
2124 2011-07-08 18:06:07 <dinox> I dont say ubuntu is optimal for a miner
2125 2011-07-08 18:06:12 <Joric> http://boost.teeks99.com how do you like the size? :)
2126 2011-07-08 18:06:31 <Joric> more than 11 gb
2127 2011-07-08 18:06:33 <dinox> but to say it dont works at all is not true
2128 2011-07-08 18:06:35 <phantomcircuit> i have an old P4 in my basement in san francisco that had about 2 years uptime on PG&E residential power running gentoo
2129 2011-07-08 18:06:56 <phantomcircuit> but recently PG&E has been randomly been resetting the line so it's a less cool 6 days
2130 2011-07-08 18:07:07 <phantomcircuit> but to put that in perspective
2131 2011-07-08 18:07:21 <dinox> ah.. my server is an old laptop, so it survives power-downtimes
2132 2011-07-08 18:07:29 <phantomcircuit> the power gets cut randomly, the system goes down, and then comes back up without any trouble as soon as power is restored
2133 2011-07-08 18:07:38 <phantomcircuit> and im in poland with no way to intervene
2134 2011-07-08 18:09:22 <dinox> what has happened to blockchain last day? from 295mb -> 369mb
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2136 2011-07-08 18:09:57 <phantomcircuit> Joric, that is *all* of the boost libraries
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2138 2011-07-08 18:10:42 <BlueMatt> dinox: no that was build problems, not pure growth
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2140 2011-07-08 18:10:46 <BlueMatt> thats like 3 weeks of growth
2141 2011-07-08 18:10:52 <dinox> aha
2142 2011-07-08 18:11:15 <dinox> like your server btw!
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2144 2011-07-08 18:13:14 <sipa> dinox: still have the cached balance issue with showwallet?
2145 2011-07-08 18:14:07 <jine> Is it possible to disable the debug.log of bitcoind? It's using the disk to much :/
2146 2011-07-08 18:14:28 <dinox> sipa: I haven't played with showwallet for a while now
2147 2011-07-08 18:14:36 <dinox> jine: Yes
2148 2011-07-08 18:14:44 <jine> dinox: How?
2149 2011-07-08 18:15:03 <dinox> rtfs
2150 2011-07-08 18:15:09 <dinox> it's not hard
2151 2011-07-08 18:15:23 <sipa> dinox: i've done some changes, but i can't reproduce the problem
2152 2011-07-08 18:15:43 <sipa> so i'd really like a confirmation it's fixed
2153 2011-07-08 18:15:55 <dinox> sipa: You have some kind of removeprivkey function?
2154 2011-07-08 18:16:01 <sipa> no
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2156 2011-07-08 18:16:21 <sipa> that'd be useful thougj
2157 2011-07-08 18:16:26 <sipa> though
2158 2011-07-08 18:16:34 <dinox> yeap, someone has a commit for that
2159 2011-07-08 18:16:39 <sipa> indeed
2160 2011-07-08 18:16:55 <sipa> but it doesn't purge wallet transactions iirc
2161 2011-07-08 18:17:37 <dinox> it does, but not properly
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2163 2011-07-08 18:19:00 <dinox> mhanne was his github name i think
2164 2011-07-08 18:19:39 <dinox> I tried to rewrite it with some hints from you importprivkey function but didn't get it to work properly
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2179 2011-07-08 18:40:37 <theymos> Is TD/Mike Hearn talking about the upload limits here, or some other bug? https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=26894.msg340144#msg340144
2180 2011-07-08 18:41:34 <justmoon> theymos, the former, send buffer limit
2181 2011-07-08 18:41:36 <BlueMatt> the upload limit bug
2182 2011-07-08 18:41:53 <theymos> OK, thanks.
2183 2011-07-08 18:41:54 <BlueMatt> buffer limit, thats the word I was looking for
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2185 2011-07-08 18:43:27 <theymos> If it's a real emergency, an alert could be issued telling people to change the send buffer limit with a command-line argument.
2186 2011-07-08 18:44:09 <BlueMatt> well it only matters for the nodes which are seeding
2187 2011-07-08 18:44:29 <BlueMatt> and as we are encouraging moving to dns anyway, Ill just set dnsseed to require 0.3.24 before it will be in the dns
2188 2011-07-08 18:44:37 <BlueMatt> older users should upgrade anyway
2189 2011-07-08 18:45:31 <theymos> You should whitelist versions older than 0.3.20 (or whatever it was), too. I run 0.3.19, which has no limits.
2190 2011-07-08 18:46:01 <BlueMatt> no, 0.3.19 should be discouraged, too many people keep telling people to revert back to that due to the fee stuff
2191 2011-07-08 18:46:06 <BlueMatt> why do you run 0.3.19?
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2193 2011-07-08 18:46:44 <theymos> Lots of anti-DoS limits were imposed, which I think might cause serious problems in the future. I feel that some nodes must run without them. (I'm not concerned about the fee issue.)
2194 2011-07-08 18:46:52 <nuthin> how can I talk in #bitcoin-otc?
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2196 2011-07-08 18:47:07 <BlueMatt> nuthin: register with gribble the way he pms you when you login
2197 2011-07-08 18:47:10 <BlueMatt> and dont ask here
2198 2011-07-08 18:47:21 <BlueMatt> theymos: really? why/
2199 2011-07-08 18:47:22 <BlueMatt> ?
2200 2011-07-08 18:47:25 <justmoon> nuthin, it get help with -otc, go to #bitcoin-otc-foyer
2201 2011-07-08 18:47:38 <nuth> that's not that intuitive
2202 2011-07-08 18:47:48 <BlueMatt> gribble pms you when you login for a reason
2203 2011-07-08 18:48:04 <nuth> ok
2204 2011-07-08 18:48:07 <theymos> BlueMatt: This current issue is a perfect example. For a while, my node was probably one of the only ones without this seeding issue.
2205 2011-07-08 18:48:08 <b4epoche> you should change wallet.db each upgrade…  pulling an Apple move to prevent downgrading
2206 2011-07-08 18:48:10 <nuth> I've been on holiday
2207 2011-07-08 18:48:24 <nuth> without parting
2208 2011-07-08 18:49:13 <BlueMatt> theymos: well the new version fixes the issue and will allow seeding until blocks are the same size as the send buffer
2209 2011-07-08 18:49:19 <BlueMatt> at which point we have much greater issue
2210 2011-07-08 18:49:20 <BlueMatt> s
2211 2011-07-08 18:50:03 <theymos> There are other limits such as the fee-based relaying rules that might cause problems later.
2212 2011-07-08 18:50:18 <BlueMatt> that is why I say dont sit on 0.3.19
2213 2011-07-08 18:50:28 <BlueMatt> it could create ddos problems if too many nodes are on 0.3.19
2214 2011-07-08 18:50:35 <BlueMatt> its actually worse for the network than anything
2215 2011-07-08 18:50:56 <theymos> 0.3.19 has no fee-based relaying rules. It had IsStandard rules, but I removed them.
2216 2011-07-08 18:51:19 <BlueMatt> seriously?
2217 2011-07-08 18:51:30 <BlueMatt> I think new versions need to drop connections to 0.3.19
2218 2011-07-08 18:51:50 <BlueMatt> you just open yourself up to act as a ddos relay
2219 2011-07-08 18:51:58 <justmoon> theymos, did you enable the disable operators like OP_CAT, etc. as well?
2220 2011-07-08 18:52:03 <justmoon> disabled*
2221 2011-07-08 18:52:16 <theymos> justmoon: No, that would make my node incompatable.
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2223 2011-07-08 18:52:35 <theymos> BlueMatt: I'm running the old limitfreerelay code, so I won't relay transactions limitlessly.
2224 2011-07-08 18:53:20 <justmoon> theymos, that's why I'm asking :)
2225 2011-07-08 18:53:42 <BlueMatt> theymos: still, I dont like the idea of people just pulling out ddos protection
2226 2011-07-08 18:53:49 <BlueMatt> it is there for a reason
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2229 2011-07-08 18:54:27 <theymos> I don't have a problem with most people running it, but I think it's healthy for 5-10% of the network to be "DoS-able".
2230 2011-07-08 18:54:38 <BlueMatt> ...not really
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2233 2011-07-08 18:55:27 <BlueMatt> yea every once in a while the ddos protection was written poorly, like the buffer limits
2234 2011-07-08 18:55:42 <BlueMatt> but its not too hard to fix
2235 2011-07-08 18:55:49 <BlueMatt> and now the fix was done properly (enough)
2236 2011-07-08 18:55:56 <BlueMatt> so it wont be a problem for a long, long time
2237 2011-07-08 18:56:19 <theymos> This same problem has happened in the past and it wasn't fixed properly, so I don't have much confidence now...
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2243 2011-07-08 18:57:42 <BlueMatt> no last time it was just increased
2244 2011-07-08 18:57:49 <BlueMatt> now it was actually fixed
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2259 2011-07-08 19:14:17 <pakiaries> hello
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2263 2011-07-08 19:15:45 <pakiaries> whats it at now
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2268 2011-07-08 19:19:06 <marvin_> ;;bc,stats
2269 2011-07-08 19:19:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 135351 | Current Difficulty: 1563027.9961162 | Next Difficulty At Block: 137087 | Next Difficulty In: 1736 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1563772.71436373
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2281 2011-07-08 19:33:47 <pakiaries> hi
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2293 2011-07-08 19:42:54 <lfm> hi
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2295 2011-07-08 19:43:20 <lfm> 4?
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2304 2011-07-08 19:54:04 <comboy> am I the only one that gets a tiny bit annoyed that every time a accidentaly mouseover bitcoin client I have btc address in my clipboard instead of something else I had in there?
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2306 2011-07-08 19:54:52 <lfm> comboy is that on windows? ya that would be annoying
2307 2011-07-08 19:55:05 <comboy> no, linux
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2310 2011-07-08 19:55:16 <lfm>     "version" : 32300,
2311 2011-07-08 19:55:18 <midnightmagic> i use the cli only, so.. I guess.. no.
2312 2011-07-08 19:55:47 <lfm> it doesnt do that to me
2313 2011-07-08 19:56:01 <lfm> comboy what distro and desktop
2314 2011-07-08 19:56:12 <comboy> well it's default for xorg that when text gets selected it automatically goes to clipboard isnt it?
2315 2011-07-08 19:56:13 <lfm>     "version" : 32300,
2316 2011-07-08 19:56:24 <comboy> newest xorg + awesomewm
2317 2011-07-08 19:56:26 <midnightmagic> sort of. there's a second clipboard that some applications use too.
2318 2011-07-08 19:56:34 <comboy> yeah
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2320 2011-07-08 19:56:47 <lfm> newer hear of awsomewm
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2322 2011-07-08 19:56:57 <comboy> do check it out
2323 2011-07-08 19:57:01 <midnightmagic> so you have the middle-button-click clip, and then the control-v clip. sometimes one overwrites the other, but honestly, with the weird behaviour of terminal programs, I have no idea what the rules for it are anymore.
2324 2011-07-08 19:57:09 <midnightmagic> dwm is my fave for sure.
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2326 2011-07-08 19:57:10 <lfm> not if its messing up your clipboard
2327 2011-07-08 19:57:20 <midnightmagic> <=2000 LOC.
2328 2011-07-08 19:57:30 <midnightmagic> window manager doesn't have anything to do with the clipboard.
2329 2011-07-08 19:57:50 <comboy> some wms influence your clipboard
2330 2011-07-08 19:57:57 <comboy> middlue button is just pasting
2331 2011-07-08 19:58:01 <midnightmagic> those ones have more than 2k lines of code.
2332 2011-07-08 19:58:17 <midnightmagic> and clutter up my screen with buttons and menus and stuff.
2333 2011-07-08 19:58:28 <comboy> I really don't know how many kLOC my wm has and don't really care that much about it
2334 2011-07-08 19:58:55 <midnightmagic> who needs buttons and menus and wiggly window movement when you can just pop open an xterm or map a key?
2335 2011-07-08 19:59:12 <comboy> hmm, I guess it may be indeed quite specific to me because it would not happen if I would not have a setting that window gets active when I mouseover it
2336 2011-07-08 19:59:33 <midnightmagic> i care because it means I can change its behaviour with my own code without grokking through the byzantine monstrosities that other people are willing to run on their systems. it's also arguably faster than anything else too.
2337 2011-07-08 19:59:35 <lfm> I just use gnome or kde whaever gets installed by default, cant be bothered to chang it
2338 2011-07-08 19:59:46 <comboy> midnightmagic: nobody said he wants it' you just starting this flame with no opponent here ;)
2339 2011-07-08 19:59:54 <midnightmagic> no flame intended!
2340 2011-07-08 20:00:18 <comboy> yeah, whatever suites you, I just thought that maybe other people run into this problem more often too
2341 2011-07-08 20:00:33 <midnightmagic> you're using the GUI right?
2342 2011-07-08 20:00:39 <comboy> but when I realized in most wms you have to click on the window to make it active by default, it may happen less often indeed
2343 2011-07-08 20:00:48 <comboy> midnightmagic: yup
2344 2011-07-08 20:00:57 <midnightmagic> i also have auto-focus. i hate having to click.
2345 2011-07-08 20:01:09 <comboy> midnightmagic: I would be find with command line other than gui is way more handy for checking incoming transactions
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2347 2011-07-08 20:01:12 <midnightmagic> which means that if I ran the CLI, I would also have the same problem yo are :)
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2349 2011-07-08 20:01:41 <midnightmagic> comboy: I think there are some namecoin txn explorer patches that would probably merge across pretty easily.
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2351 2011-07-08 20:02:18 <comboy> namecoin txn eplorer? haven't heard of yet, any links?
2352 2011-07-08 20:02:45 <midnightmagic> check vince's namecoin repo on github.
2353 2011-07-08 20:02:54 <midnightmagic> lemme see if i can dig up the commitid.
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2355 2011-07-08 20:03:56 <comboy> I wonder why github does not like vince so much, everytime I enter him or namecoin in search I get everything but official repo
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2357 2011-07-08 20:04:53 <midnightmagic> i wish vince were a little more communicative, personally.
2358 2011-07-08 20:05:02 <midnightmagic> khalahan seems to be the biggest voice there.
2359 2011-07-08 20:05:08 <comboy> ok, don't bother with searching midnightmagic, I'll take a look at the last ones anyway
2360 2011-07-08 20:05:20 <midnightmagic> too late, I'm already there
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2362 2011-07-08 20:05:40 <comboy> yeah, very hard to get any feedback, maybe he felt he has to act like satoshi, just disappeared way too fast ;)
2363 2011-07-08 20:05:47 <midnightmagic> no worries man, i don't mind. least I can do after that namecoin buy cock-up.
2364 2011-07-08 20:06:30 <diki> ;;bc,calcd 2700 1
2365 2011-07-08 20:06:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2700 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 26 minutes and 30 seconds
2366 2011-07-08 20:06:31 <comboy> hah, still remember it? I traded these coins anyway
2367 2011-07-08 20:06:41 <midnightmagic> i'm glad you found a buyer.
2368 2011-07-08 20:06:52 <quellhorst> i'm curious if anyone will work for bitcoins/hr in here? of so much many?
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2370 2011-07-08 20:07:19 <midnightmagic> i would work for ฿. in fact, I kind of wish my employer would pay me in bitcoins.
2371 2011-07-08 20:07:52 <quellhorst> midnightmagic: what skills do you have?
2372 2011-07-08 20:07:58 <comboy> yeah, and not report it to tax office ;)
2373 2011-07-08 20:08:05 <quellhorst> lol
2374 2011-07-08 20:08:07 <lfm> quellhorst: 5
2375 2011-07-08 20:08:39 <quellhorst> lfm: would you be willing to take some type of adjustment if the price changes up or down say 20%?
2376 2011-07-08 20:08:41 <midnightmagic> i would report it, course i would..  but only when I converted it to money. before then, it's just so many useless chits with varying value on a market.
2377 2011-07-08 20:08:41 <lfm> been programming since 1973
2378 2011-07-08 20:08:59 <midnightmagic> that's longer than I've been alive.
2379 2011-07-08 20:09:01 <lfm> quellhorst: sure
2380 2011-07-08 20:09:01 <copumpkin> omg zkillz
2381 2011-07-08 20:09:13 <midnightmagic> you old curmugeon!
2382 2011-07-08 20:09:22 <midnightmagic> er..  curmudgeon!
2383 2011-07-08 20:09:37 <copumpkin> lfm: but is haskell one of them!
2384 2011-07-08 20:09:37 <lfm> flattery wont get you anywhere
2385 2011-07-08 20:09:43 <midnightmagic> dammit
2386 2011-07-08 20:10:06 <comboy> programming before the internet  era does sound good in cv
2387 2011-07-08 20:10:26 <lfm> copumpkin: no, in fact a lot of the modern langs are not acquired yet but I spoze I could if I had an excuse
2388 2011-07-08 20:10:28 <comboy> much later but I've been doing it too, so much different experience without experts around and google
2389 2011-07-08 20:10:40 <comboy> I did not even had altavista ;)
2390 2011-07-08 20:11:02 <copumpkin> lfm: the excuse is to stretch your mind!
2391 2011-07-08 20:11:03 <copumpkin> :)
2392 2011-07-08 20:11:08 <midnightmagic> reference books were actually crucial
2393 2011-07-08 20:11:15 <comboy> lfm: if you learn them you can then bitch about how shitty they are
2394 2011-07-08 20:11:19 <lfm> copumpkin: more like if someone payed me
2395 2011-07-08 20:11:52 <midnightmagic> i remember the C=64 programmer's reference manual. Imagine only having a friggin' book to help you along through the innards of a machine.
2396 2011-07-08 20:12:13 <midnightmagic> learning assembly with an assembly monitor and nothing to tell you what the instruction codes were..
2397 2011-07-08 20:12:23 <midnightmagic> jesus, what a god- pain the ass that was.
2398 2011-07-08 20:12:49 <lfm> midnightmagic: I had a mostek manual for the opcodes but not for c64, I had an OSI challenger
2399 2011-07-08 20:13:08 <comboy> I feel really young around here starting with qbasic
2400 2011-07-08 20:13:19 <copumpkin> I started with visual basic :O
2401 2011-07-08 20:13:29 <comboy> :))
2402 2011-07-08 20:13:56 <midnightmagic> i don't even know what an OSI challenger is. brutal man! lookit that thing!
2403 2011-07-08 20:14:21 <comboy> ok I'm outta here, I spend too much time thinking about good old times
2404 2011-07-08 20:14:38 <midnightmagic> cya comboy, if i find that txn patch i'll /msg you
2405 2011-07-08 20:14:50 <comboy> thx
2406 2011-07-08 20:14:57 <lfm> midnightmagic: it was a tiny outfit that put together another 6502 system. never got far
2407 2011-07-08 20:15:10 <midnightmagic> lfm: I see it on wikipedia! ohio scientific
2408 2011-07-08 20:15:16 <lfm> yup
2409 2011-07-08 20:15:42 <lfm> I spulrged and got the dual 8 inch floppy drives
2410 2011-07-08 20:16:01 <midnightmagic> must've been expensive.
2411 2011-07-08 20:16:22 <lfm> 20k ram, ya I think I spont $4k on it
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2413 2011-07-08 20:17:05 <midnightmagic> i remember saving and saving and saving, and never having enough for a c=64
2414 2011-07-08 20:17:53 <lfm> ya I had a pretty good job already so I could afford it. never got married so I could afford it
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2416 2011-07-08 20:19:00 <midnightmagic> https://174.143.149.98/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1319.0 whoah it IS there.
2417 2011-07-08 20:20:13 <lfm> apple and commodore blew em outa the water on software
2418 2011-07-08 20:20:38 <midnightmagic> yeah for sure, and most of it was third party even
2419 2011-07-08 20:25:51 <briareus> chrome don't like that link midnightmagic
2420 2011-07-08 20:26:37 <midnightmagic> briareus: the cert doesn't match
2421 2011-07-08 20:29:44 <lfm> firefox objected too but let me click thru to the page
2422 2011-07-08 20:30:20 <midnightmagic> there's an address monitor patch..
2423 2011-07-08 20:33:05 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: so from that last response...  I guess you want me to simply use RC3 as -final?
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2426 2011-07-08 20:38:03 <midnightmagic> http://yyz.us/bitcoin/patch.bitcoin-datanet-fork awesome. is datanet running still?
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2428 2011-07-08 20:38:36 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: never did, really
2429 2011-07-08 20:39:00 <midnightmagic> doh
2430 2011-07-08 20:40:10 <midnightmagic> jgarzik: why aren't your block explore patches in mainline?
2431 2011-07-08 20:41:05 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: satoshi's main objection was that you cannot distinguish partial results from full results
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2433 2011-07-08 20:42:00 <midnightmagic> i'm sorry, I'm not following. partial/full block results? as in unconfirmed vs. confirmed and/or orphaned or something?
2434 2011-07-08 20:43:05 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: though no one does this currently, it is permissible within the bitcoin system for a P2P node to -not- have all transactions for a given block
2435 2011-07-08 20:43:28 <midnightmagic> ah, yes, the stemming which is the reason for the merkle tree.
2436 2011-07-08 20:43:32 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: satoshi was worried that the results for 'getblockbycount 1234' might differ from node to node, depending on whether or not they had a full block
2437 2011-07-08 20:44:13 <midnightmagic> detection should be possible, surely
2438 2011-07-08 20:45:13 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: patches welcome :)
2439 2011-07-08 20:45:31 <midnightmagic> your patch should be the basis of all forensic work, combined with a record of all rejected blocks and failed forks, and "strange" or rejected transactions.
2440 2011-07-08 20:45:41 <midnightmagic> okay! patches welcome.. lol got it.
2441 2011-07-08 20:46:19 <midnightmagic> and that address monitor that gavin wrote.. geez, all this great stuff floating around out there. :-(
2442 2011-07-08 20:46:47 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: I added a '_fulldump' : true to one variant, on the theory that someone would eventually add detection code, and set the value properly when the day arrives that we don't have full block
2443 2011-07-08 20:47:58 <gim> nobody has started to write unit tests?
2444 2011-07-08 20:48:47 <jgarzik> gim: gavin added a framework.  waiting for your contribution after that :)
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2446 2011-07-08 20:48:55 <gim> ok :)
2447 2011-07-08 20:49:04 <gim> i'm trying to a some test
2448 2011-07-08 20:49:04 <midnightmagic> he did?! jesus i gotta pay more attention
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2450 2011-07-08 20:53:45 <midnightmagic> whoah, key import and export!
2451 2011-07-08 20:53:51 <midnightmagic> go sipa!
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2457 2011-07-08 21:02:29 <MrSam> hello.world();
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2460 2011-07-08 21:03:34 <jtaylor> did somebody already write a bitcoin apparmor profile?
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2466 2011-07-08 21:10:31 <tehrabbitt> have a question regarding BTC and if there's a PHP library already existant in which I can generate addresses from within a site I want to create
2467 2011-07-08 21:11:11 <tehrabbitt> basically, people sign up, and can then transfer BTC to their account on my site... I know it's been done many times before, I just dont know if there's something already existant in PHP before I go about re-inventing the wheel
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2478 2011-07-08 21:20:09 <phantomcircuit> tehrabbitt, you want the RPC api
2479 2011-07-08 21:21:03 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: Id say that is absolutely fine
2480 2011-07-08 21:21:16 <tehrabbitt> phantomcircuit, alrighty thanks.
2481 2011-07-08 21:23:19 <MrSam> hmm
2482 2011-07-08 21:23:24 <MrSam> any forum admin here ?
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2484 2011-07-08 21:24:09 <MrSam> BlueMatt: maybe you ?
2485 2011-07-08 21:24:27 <phantomcircuit> MrSam, extremely unlikely
2486 2011-07-08 21:24:52 <MrSam> why not, i tought he was the popular guy
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2494 2011-07-08 21:29:37 <midnightmagic> ;;seen ArtForz
2495 2011-07-08 21:29:37 <gribble> ArtForz was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 3 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <ArtForz> eternal beta. hah, satoshi is secretly a google employee!
2496 2011-07-08 21:29:55 <midnightmagic> :-( empty 3 weeks.
2497 2011-07-08 21:30:07 <OneTimePad> 3 weeks!
2498 2011-07-08 21:30:14 <midnightmagic> why do these people disappear like this?
2499 2011-07-08 21:30:16 <OneTimePad> in bitcoin time that's like two difficulties ago
2500 2011-07-08 21:30:18 <midnightmagic> dammit
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2502 2011-07-08 21:32:49 <midnightmagic> ;seen gavinandresson
2503 2011-07-08 21:32:52 <midnightmagic> ;;seen gavinandresson
2504 2011-07-08 21:32:52 <gribble> I have not seen gavinandresson.
2505 2011-07-08 21:33:14 <midnightmagic> ;;seen gavinandresen
2506 2011-07-08 21:33:14 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 4 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 1 second ago: <gavinandresen> afk for a bit
2507 2011-07-08 21:33:22 <Taveren93HGK> i think i've seen art around - maybe just in another channel?
2508 2011-07-08 21:34:24 <midnightmagic> Taveren93HGK: #bitcoin-mining is 2 weeks ago i think.
2509 2011-07-08 21:38:37 <jgarzik> Bitcoin version 0.3.24 released - http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=27187.0
2510 2011-07-08 21:38:37 <zamgo> ;;seen s_nakamoto
2511 2011-07-08 21:38:38 <gribble> I have not seen s_nakamoto.
2512 2011-07-08 21:38:40 <zamgo> heh
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2529 2011-07-08 21:56:29 <BlueMatt> MrSam: nope
2530 2011-07-08 21:57:16 <BlueMatt> MrSam: we have very, very few forum mods...
2531 2011-07-08 21:57:22 <BlueMatt> way too few
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2557 2011-07-08 22:32:04 <Ramen> ;;bc,stats
2558 2011-07-08 22:32:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 135375 | Current Difficulty: 1563027.9961162 | Next Difficulty At Block: 137087 | Next Difficulty In: 1712 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 18 hours, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1587731.95227684
2559 2011-07-08 22:32:38 <Ramen> wow really no difficulty jump... thats amazing
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2561 2011-07-08 22:34:26 <MrSam> wtf
2562 2011-07-08 22:34:26 <MrSam> 00:31:28 <MrSam> [2011-07-08 22:28:36.152003] USR1 signal received, flushing LP waiters
2563 2011-07-08 22:34:29 <MrSam> 00:31:32 <MrSam> [2011-07-08 22:29:43.417480] USR1 signal received, flushing LP waiters
2564 2011-07-08 22:34:32 <MrSam> 00:31:32 <MrSam> [2011-07-08 22:30:0.039723] USR1 signal received, flushing LP waiters
2565 2011-07-08 22:34:40 <erus`> by satoshis beard!
2566 2011-07-08 22:34:45 <MrSam> :P
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2571 2011-07-08 22:35:51 * cuddlefish pokes BlueMattBot 
2572 2011-07-08 22:35:56 <cuddlefish> BlueMattBot: docs
2573 2011-07-08 22:35:56 <BlueMattBot> cuddlefish did you mean me? Unknown command 'docs'
2574 2011-07-08 22:35:57 <BlueMattBot> Use 'BlueMattBot: help' to get help!
2575 2011-07-08 22:36:03 <cuddlefish> BlueMattBot: help
2576 2011-07-08 22:36:04 <BlueMattBot> Available commands:
2577 2011-07-08 22:36:04 <BlueMattBot> abort <job> - specify which job to abort
2578 2011-07-08 22:36:05 <BlueMattBot> alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases
2579 2011-07-08 22:36:05 <BlueMattBot> botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom
2580 2011-07-08 22:36:06 <BlueMattBot> build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
2581 2011-07-08 22:36:06 <BlueMattBot> cb - list jobs which are currently in progress
2582 2011-07-08 22:36:07 <BlueMattBot> comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build
2583 2011-07-08 22:36:07 <BlueMattBot> currentlyBuilding - list jobs which are currently in progress
2584 2011-07-08 22:36:08 <BlueMattBot> h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2585 2011-07-08 22:36:08 <BlueMattBot> health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2586 2011-07-08 22:36:09 <BlueMattBot> jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2587 2011-07-08 22:36:09 <BlueMattBot> q - show the state of the build queue
2588 2011-07-08 22:36:10 <BlueMattBot> queue - show the state of the build queue
2589 2011-07-08 22:36:10 <BlueMattBot> s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2590 2011-07-08 22:36:11 <cuddlefish> Gaaaah!
2591 2011-07-08 22:36:11 <BlueMattBot> schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
2592 2011-07-08 22:36:11 <BlueMattBot> status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2593 2011-07-08 22:36:11 <denisx> MrSam: four seconds?
2594 2011-07-08 22:36:12 <BlueMattBot> testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2595 2011-07-08 22:36:18 <MrSam> denisx: yeah
2596 2011-07-08 22:36:24 <Joric> what the hell is going on
2597 2011-07-08 22:36:31 <denisx> MrSam: is this the record?
2598 2011-07-08 22:36:32 <MrSam> it's not me thats getting them :/
2599 2011-07-08 22:36:35 <cuddlefish> BlueMatt: Please, control your bot
2600 2011-07-08 22:36:38 <MrSam> must be
2601 2011-07-08 22:36:50 <MrSam> http://blockexplorer.com/
2602 2011-07-08 22:36:59 <MrSam> not that i'm keeping track of records
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2605 2011-07-08 22:39:24 <BlueMatt> cuddlefish: well maybe dont ask him crap
2606 2011-07-08 22:39:48 <midnightmagic> does the bot respond to privmsg?
2607 2011-07-08 22:39:52 <BlueMatt> yea
2608 2011-07-08 22:39:58 <BlueMatt> wtf do you guys want with my bot
2609 2011-07-08 22:39:59 <MrSam> BlueMatt: cb
2610 2011-07-08 22:40:00 <BlueMatt> it doesnt do anything
2611 2011-07-08 22:40:07 <MrSam> BlueMatt cb
2612 2011-07-08 22:40:26 <MrSam> BlueMatt addjob transfer.btc("mrsam");
2613 2011-07-08 22:40:26 <BlueMatt> ?
2614 2011-07-08 22:40:30 <MrSam> idunno
2615 2011-07-08 22:40:34 <MrSam> testing, you never know
2616 2011-07-08 22:40:36 <midnightmagic> no, it doesn't answer my privmsg.
2617 2011-07-08 22:40:48 <cuddlefish> BlueMatt: I see a bot, I ask him for help.... he spams the crap out of the channel
2618 2011-07-08 22:40:51 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: you always have to start with BlueMattBot:  even in privmsg
2619 2011-07-08 22:41:02 <BlueMatt> cuddlefish: well hes not a bot thats here for input
2620 2011-07-08 22:41:07 <BlueMatt> hes only good for
2621 2011-07-08 22:41:09 <midnightmagic> ah!
2622 2011-07-08 22:41:12 <BlueMatt> BlueMattBot: status Bitcoin
2623 2011-07-08 22:41:13 <BlueMattBot> Bitcoin: last build: 83 (3 days 3 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://www.bluematt.me/jenkins/job/Bitcoin/83/
2624 2011-07-08 22:41:19 <MrSam> jenkins
2625 2011-07-08 22:41:19 <MrSam> nice
2626 2011-07-08 22:41:33 <midnightmagic> leeeeeroy
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2628 2011-07-08 22:41:36 <denisx> ;)
2629 2011-07-08 22:41:39 <cuddlefish> BlueMattBot: okay. but would you have him link to a webpage or something with help?
2630 2011-07-08 22:41:40 <BlueMattBot> cuddlefish did you mean me? Unknown command 'okay.'
2631 2011-07-08 22:41:40 <BlueMattBot> Use 'BlueMattBot: help' to get help!
2632 2011-07-08 22:41:48 <cuddlefish> BlueMattBot: help
2633 2011-07-08 22:41:48 <BlueMattBot> Available commands:
2634 2011-07-08 22:41:49 <BlueMattBot> abort <job> - specify which job to abort
2635 2011-07-08 22:41:49 <BlueMattBot> alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases
2636 2011-07-08 22:41:50 <cuddlefish> wait
2637 2011-07-08 22:41:50 <BlueMattBot> botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom
2638 2011-07-08 22:41:50 <BlueMattBot> build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
2639 2011-07-08 22:41:51 <BlueMattBot> cb - list jobs which are currently in progress
2640 2011-07-08 22:41:51 <BlueMatt> cuddlefish: oh god
2641 2011-07-08 22:41:51 <BlueMattBot> comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build
2642 2011-07-08 22:41:52 <BlueMattBot> currentlyBuilding - list jobs which are currently in progress
2643 2011-07-08 22:41:52 <BlueMattBot> h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2644 2011-07-08 22:41:53 <BlueMattBot> health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
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2646 2011-07-08 22:41:53 <BlueMattBot> jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2647 2011-07-08 22:41:54 <BlueMattBot> q - show the state of the build queue
2648 2011-07-08 22:41:54 <BlueMattBot> queue - show the state of the build queue
2649 2011-07-08 22:41:55 <BlueMattBot> s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2650 2011-07-08 22:41:55 <BlueMattBot> schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
2651 2011-07-08 22:41:56 <BlueMattBot> status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2652 2011-07-08 22:41:56 <BlueMattBot> testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
2653 2011-07-08 22:41:57 <BlueMattBot> userstat <username> - prints information about a Hudson user
2654 2011-07-08 22:42:14 <BlueMatt> wtf man
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2656 2011-07-08 22:42:28 <cuddlefish> sorry, reflex
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2663 2011-07-08 22:43:55 <erus`> oh god
2664 2011-07-08 22:43:57 <erus`> http://www.reddit.com/tb/ik10z
2665 2011-07-08 22:44:01 <erus`> privacy nightmare
2666 2011-07-08 22:44:03 * midnightmagic is feeling a little like Roger Rabbit resisting the Shave-And-A-Haircut knock..
2667 2011-07-08 22:44:18 <erus`> i knew windows was the best OS for hacking
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2669 2011-07-08 22:46:15 <BlueMatt> lol, he has a desktop shortcut to "AOL"
2670 2011-07-08 22:46:48 <erus`> please be troll
2671 2011-07-08 22:46:54 <BlueMatt> and he doesnt know what a colon is...
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2673 2011-07-08 22:47:13 <BlueMatt> oh god...oh god
2674 2011-07-08 22:47:19 <BlueMatt> oh god...oh god
2675 2011-07-08 22:47:20 <BlueMatt> oh god...oh god
2676 2011-07-08 22:47:39 <BlueMatt> the only thing we have is his traceroute...so uh his isp
2677 2011-07-08 22:48:22 <Taveren93HGK> and he thinks traceroute is showing him "everyone who is using google"  :/
2678 2011-07-08 22:48:34 <BlueMatt> there are 10 people using google right now
2679 2011-07-08 22:48:37 <Taveren93HGK> lol
2680 2011-07-08 22:48:49 <[Tycho]> Nice idea, didn't know tracert can do that.
2681 2011-07-08 22:49:08 <BlueMatt> didnt know people still had a shortcut to aol on their desktop...
2682 2011-07-08 22:49:15 <Joric> i like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJagxe-Gvpw except the shitty music
2683 2011-07-08 22:49:21 <erus`> nextgenhacker101
2684 2011-07-08 22:49:37 <BlueMatt> Joric: oh love that one
2685 2011-07-08 22:50:03 <midnightmagic> people are wayyyyy to hard on that kid.
2686 2011-07-08 22:50:56 <BlueMatt> I think that guy thought he was on his server
2687 2011-07-08 22:51:03 <BlueMatt> his...windows...server
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2689 2011-07-08 22:51:08 <BlueMatt> with chmod...
2690 2011-07-08 22:51:09 <Joric> BlueMatt, i still wondering whyy he's downloading w2ksp3
2691 2011-07-08 22:51:18 <BlueMatt> thats what I love more than anything
2692 2011-07-08 22:51:22 <WakiMiko> thank god he didnt get my address. i checked and 192.168.1.234 is not in his list. guess im safe for now!!!!!
2693 2011-07-08 22:51:34 <BlueMatt> WakiMiko: lol
2694 2011-07-08 22:51:41 <erus`> hahaha!
2695 2011-07-08 22:51:54 <Joric> there's a whole site http://iwatchedyourhack.org
2696 2011-07-08 22:52:57 BTCTrader is now known as BTCTrader_away
2697 2011-07-08 22:54:10 <Taveren93HGK> lol Joric
2698 2011-07-08 22:54:24 <Taveren93HGK> the worlds worst hacker one was pretty entertaining
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2701 2011-07-08 22:54:41 <WakiMiko> http://iwatchedyourhack.org/node/3 hmm
2702 2011-07-08 22:55:08 <Taveren93HGK> ugh - can't fullscreen from here?
2703 2011-07-08 22:55:29 <BlueMatt> I love that kid's mug too...god
2704 2011-07-08 22:55:31 <WakiMiko> i dont get it
2705 2011-07-08 22:56:12 <Joric> it's ttyrec/ttyplay afaik
2706 2011-07-08 22:56:36 <Taveren93HGK> ah
2707 2011-07-08 22:56:38 <justmoon> I always thought the reason you download sp3 is because it's a big file on a fast host, so you can see how fast your target's network is
2708 2011-07-08 22:56:44 * justmoon is not a hacker :)
2709 2011-07-08 22:56:57 <BlueMatt> well that could be...
2710 2011-07-08 22:57:04 <Taveren93HGK> a sound theory
2711 2011-07-08 22:57:21 <WakiMiko> the results to his commands are wrong though
2712 2011-07-08 22:57:45 <Taveren93HGK> well, they've said that box was a honeypot
2713 2011-07-08 22:58:13 <WakiMiko> ah i get it, they record people who think they broke in?
2714 2011-07-08 22:58:29 <BlueMatt> yea
2715 2011-07-08 22:58:33 <Taveren93HGK> yes, it's a setup
2716 2011-07-08 22:58:40 <WakiMiko> that is awesome
2717 2011-07-08 22:58:42 <BlueMatt> easy password
2718 2011-07-08 22:58:43 <Joric> i've tried to download ubuntu cd on amazon aws (from australia) :) it was pretty fast
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2720 2011-07-08 22:58:59 <BlueMatt> people think they are smart because they can point a ssh bruteforcer at a server
2721 2011-07-08 22:59:08 <BlueMatt> ...and the internet proves them wrong
2722 2011-07-08 22:59:10 <midnightmagic> whoah, ttyrec is super-awesome.
2723 2011-07-08 22:59:19 <Joric> just wanted to check how much do they charge for traffic
2724 2011-07-08 23:00:29 <Joric> didn't like the idea to pay for ddos from my own wallet
2725 2011-07-08 23:01:20 <denisx> BlueMatt: at least they are smarter than the people who don't use key-only on their sshd
2726 2011-07-08 23:01:40 <BlueMatt> denisx: the point is they are trying to be dumb
2727 2011-07-08 23:01:52 <BlueMatt> their goal is to get "hacked"
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2730 2011-07-08 23:02:21 <lianj> denisx: ack
2731 2011-07-08 23:02:25 <midnightmagic> now if only ttyplay could do the same thing as what tsutomu did with kevin-on-demand. :)
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2733 2011-07-08 23:03:23 <lianj> denisx: running sshd without key-only shouldnt be called running ssh anyway :D
2734 2011-07-08 23:03:52 <BlueMatt> meh as long as your password is strong...
2735 2011-07-08 23:05:08 <WakiMiko> http://iwatchedyourhack.org/node/8 i love this one
2736 2011-07-08 23:06:04 <Joric> ifcongif
2737 2011-07-08 23:06:58 <BlueMatt> why do these people add a user?
2738 2011-07-08 23:07:07 <BlueMatt> if thats not the easiest way to get caught
2739 2011-07-08 23:08:10 <WakiMiko> i have no idea, but the "useradd" script is awesome
2740 2011-07-08 23:08:21 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I'm changing my opinion on your library idea
2741 2011-07-08 23:08:25 <erus`> BlueMatt they are behind 7 proxys ofcorse
2742 2011-07-08 23:08:29 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I agree that a library would be a good idea.
2743 2011-07-08 23:08:38 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: for...?
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2745 2011-07-08 23:08:46 <BlueMatt> erus`: not caught, but lose access
2746 2011-07-08 23:08:49 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: separating network/UI from the wallet logic
2747 2011-07-08 23:08:57 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: when did you disagree?
2748 2011-07-08 23:09:20 <BlueMatt> and thats not my idea, that is...well the idea has been around for a long time
2749 2011-07-08 23:09:24 <BlueMatt> longer than Ive been here
2750 2011-07-08 23:09:26 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: well, I thought it was a waste unless the "library" interface was a protocol
2751 2011-07-08 23:09:44 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: but making it a library also means the node networking can be separate too
2752 2011-07-08 23:09:54 <luke-jr> and the insanities of that code fixed without risking messing up the wallet
2753 2011-07-08 23:09:59 <BlueMatt> well whether it gets used as pieces or not, it would make it much easier to code
2754 2011-07-08 23:10:52 <[Tycho]> Hello, luke-jr.
2755 2011-07-08 23:11:03 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: hi
2756 2011-07-08 23:11:06 <[Tycho]> luke-jr, is your pool open-source or not ?
2757 2011-07-08 23:11:14 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: parts, why?
2758 2011-07-08 23:12:04 <[Tycho]> Saw a copy of it's site.
2759 2011-07-08 23:12:17 <luke-jr> the main site is MediaWiki
2760 2011-07-08 23:12:31 <luke-jr> Artefact2's graphs are AGPLv3
2761 2011-07-08 23:12:32 <[Tycho]> I mean, with "Eligius" text in it.
2762 2011-07-08 23:12:39 <luke-jr> ?
2763 2011-07-08 23:13:05 <[Tycho]> So either is was yours or someone did a copy
2764 2011-07-08 23:13:14 <luke-jr> link?
2765 2011-07-08 23:13:21 <[Tycho]> It's not available already http://109.230.217.13/
2766 2011-07-08 23:14:26 <[Tycho]> I saw some suspicious logins and requests from this IP, opened it and was surprised to see a "Eligius" site
2767 2011-07-08 23:14:36 <luke-jr> hmm
2768 2011-07-08 23:14:56 <luke-jr> I don't recognize that IP, at least
2769 2011-07-08 23:14:57 <[Tycho]> 05 Jul 2011
2770 2011-07-08 23:16:16 <[Tycho]> I was like "What the hell, Eligius is mining at DeepBit ?" :)
2771 2011-07-08 23:16:50 <justmoon> [Tycho], yo dawg, I heard you like pools
2772 2011-07-08 23:17:04 <[Tycho]> :)
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2774 2011-07-08 23:20:06 <Sthebig>  /win 3
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2776 2011-07-08 23:20:14 <Sthebig> whoops :P
2777 2011-07-08 23:20:24 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: I wonder if it's related to someone trying to DDoS us a few days ago
2778 2011-07-08 23:21:22 <[Tycho]> I think it may be related to sove botnet being proxied vie one IP to prevent detection
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2787 2011-07-08 23:28:23 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2788 2011-07-08 23:28:23 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2789 2011-07-08 23:28:24 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2790 2011-07-08 23:28:27 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2791 2011-07-08 23:28:27 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2792 2011-07-08 23:28:27 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2793 2011-07-08 23:28:28 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2794 2011-07-08 23:28:40 <BlueMatt> ah
2795 2011-07-08 23:28:44 <BlueMatt> dont do that
2796 2011-07-08 23:28:52 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2797 2011-07-08 23:28:52 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2798 2011-07-08 23:28:52 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2799 2011-07-08 23:28:52 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2800 2011-07-08 23:28:53 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2801 2011-07-08 23:28:53 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2802 2011-07-08 23:28:53 <zakkkkmm>  I wondering if anyone can help me with britcoin source code setup. getting a weird msg. Fatal error: Call to undefined function gmp_cmp() in /home/zak/intersango/util.php on line 115
2803 2011-07-08 23:29:17 zakkkkmm has joined
2804 2011-07-08 23:29:21 <zakkkkmm> why the ban?
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2806 2011-07-08 23:29:25 <BlueMatt> dont spam please
2807 2011-07-08 23:29:29 <zakkkkmm> why the ban?
2808 2011-07-08 23:29:38 <BlueMatt> no ban just a kick to get you to not spam
2809 2011-07-08 23:29:38 <WakiMiko> it was a kick
2810 2011-07-08 23:29:44 <zakkkkmm> why the ban?
2811 2011-07-08 23:29:50 <WakiMiko> its gonna turn into a ban soon
2812 2011-07-08 23:29:55 <BlueMatt> and now hes just trolling
2813 2011-07-08 23:29:59 <zakkkkmm> why the ban? http://www.wsirc.com/viewcode/dcBZAp
2814 2011-07-08 23:29:59 <zakkkkmm> why the ban? http://www.wsirc.com/viewcode/dcBZAp
2815 2011-07-08 23:30:08 <denisx> or his client is broken
2816 2011-07-08 23:30:50 <BlueMatt> for britcoin stuff, ask in #britcoin
2817 2011-07-08 23:31:17 <nanotube> zakkkkmm: you were kicked because you have repeated your message about a dozen times in the chan. broken client?
2818 2011-07-08 23:31:21 <BlueMatt> denisx: his client would have to be really, really broken
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2820 2011-07-08 23:35:17 <zakkkkmm> why ban
2821 2011-07-08 23:35:17 <zakkkkmm> why ban
2822 2011-07-08 23:35:18 <zakkkkmm> why ban
2823 2011-07-08 23:35:23 <BlueMatt> not a ban
2824 2011-07-08 23:35:32 <BlueMatt> is your client broken, or are you trolling
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2828 2011-07-08 23:36:40 <Joric> maybe he's just a cute little robot
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2830 2011-07-08 23:39:30 <b4epoche> maybe he's a "rainman" savant
2831 2011-07-08 23:39:37 <jgarzik> ban him, if he comes back and spams again :)
2832 2011-07-08 23:40:05 <BlueMatt> that would be the plan
2833 2011-07-08 23:41:06 <BlueMatt> odd...in the nodes accepting connections db that I have, the 0.3.22 and 0.3.23 nodes are dropping way faster than 0.3.24 is going up
2834 2011-07-08 23:41:23 <BlueMatt> everything else is completely unchanging
2835 2011-07-08 23:41:26 <Joric> i'd love to have a rainman savant for calculating hashes
2836 2011-07-08 23:41:47 <BlueMatt> mental mining
2837 2011-07-08 23:42:42 <Joric> "bitcoin man", starring dustin hoffman
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2840 2011-07-08 23:49:57 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: dropping what?
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2842 2011-07-08 23:50:12 <BlueMatt> ok, now Im legitimately starting to get concerned here...either people are shutting off bitcoin nodes en-masse and not restarting them on 0.3.24, or something is going wrong checking if they are up
2843 2011-07-08 23:50:20 <somuchwin2> I'm reading this: "US agencies reportedly shut down two international cybercrime groups in collaboration with authorities from 11 other countries, while a loophole in the BitCoin system of virtual currency was closed, preventing fraudsters from stealing money from other users."
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2845 2011-07-08 23:50:22 <somuchwin2> ___loophole in the BitCoin system of virtual currency was closed___
2846 2011-07-08 23:50:27 <somuchwin2> and I'm like WTF?
2847 2011-07-08 23:50:47 <jgarzik> [RFC]: A distributed mining pool proposal - http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=27216.0
2848 2011-07-08 23:50:48 <BlueMatt> or used to catch people
2849 2011-07-08 23:50:50 <WakiMiko> im running .24
2850 2011-07-08 23:50:57 <somuchwin2> was there a loophole in the bitcoin system itself?  or those journalists don't know what they're talking about (again) ?
2851 2011-07-08 23:51:29 <BlueMatt> not long after 0.3.24 was released, I showed 1931 low-ping nodes listening with 1397 on 0.3.23 and 14 on 0.3.24, now I show 1396 listening with 844 on 0.3.23 and 35 on 0.3.24
2852 2011-07-08 23:51:35 <BlueMatt> something is fushy
2853 2011-07-08 23:51:41 <BlueMatt> s/u/i/
2854 2011-07-08 23:51:49 <BlueMatt> somuchwin2: #2
2855 2011-07-08 23:52:20 <BlueMatt> somuchwin2: link?
2856 2011-07-08 23:52:25 <somuchwin2> http://www.ihotdesk.com/article/800615874/Kaspersky-reveals-cybercrime-breakthroughs
2857 2011-07-08 23:52:55 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yep, been a nice idea for quite some time now...if only someone would do it...
2858 2011-07-08 23:53:33 <BlueMatt> somuchwin2: they may be referring to wallet encryption...
2859 2011-07-08 23:53:47 <BlueMatt> though thats not in this version and isnt clear there
2860 2011-07-08 23:54:21 <WakiMiko> BlueMatt: how do you collect connectable nodes? from irc?
2861 2011-07-08 23:54:31 <BlueMatt> WakiMiko: just by traversing the network
2862 2011-07-08 23:54:37 <BlueMatt> ignoring irc
2863 2011-07-08 23:54:50 <BlueMatt> its for the dnsseed
2864 2011-07-08 23:54:55 <BlueMatt> or my dnsseed
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2866 2011-07-08 23:55:08 <WakiMiko> ah i see, so it pretends to be a client, but collects addresses?
2867 2011-07-08 23:55:17 <BlueMatt> yea
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2869 2011-07-08 23:55:22 <BlueMatt> and if its up it gets added to dns
2870 2011-07-08 23:55:29 <WakiMiko> nice
2871 2011-07-08 23:56:05 <nanotube> somuchwin2: that article sounds like bs, on the 'loophole in the bitcoin system' part. wtf?...
2872 2011-07-08 23:57:22 <somuchwin2> nanotube: yes, exactly that made me go WTF? and thinking if I missed something important. But as usual it's most likely bs
2873 2011-07-08 23:57:36 <nanotube> heh yea
2874 2011-07-08 23:57:58 <somuchwin2> they might be even referring to security fixes on mtgox or something like that
2875 2011-07-08 23:58:09 <BlueMatt> too unclear to know
2876 2011-07-08 23:59:02 <Joric> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHEFmg1Cr0Q - "Kaspersky reveals cybercrime breakthroughs"