1 2011-07-21 00:00:20 <prof7bit> <jtaylor> consider the local commit as shelving <-- it would be this of they would not have put yet another stage before that.
2 2011-07-21 00:00:45 <jtaylor> yes that is because it is dvcs
3 2011-07-21 00:00:51 <jtaylor> and its very useful, but it is confusing for svn users
4 2011-07-21 00:00:54 <prof7bit> and THIS makes it complicated
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6 2011-07-21 00:01:13 <prof7bit> unnecessarily complicated
7 2011-07-21 00:01:17 <jtaylor> once you use this feature you'll love it and really miss it in svn
8 2011-07-21 00:01:19 <WakiMiko_> prof7bit: you can skip the git add by using git commit -a
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10 2011-07-21 00:01:47 <WakiMiko_> however that will only commit changed to already tracked files and ignore newly created files
11 2011-07-21 00:01:57 <WakiMiko_> s/changed/changes
12 2011-07-21 00:02:02 <jtaylor> but svn does the same
13 2011-07-21 00:02:07 <BlueMatt> again guys, does it really fucking matter what vcs you use?
14 2011-07-21 00:02:14 <jtaylor> you need to add new files in svn too
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16 2011-07-21 00:02:19 <lianj> BlueMatt: kinda :>
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18 2011-07-21 00:02:36 <BlueMatt> theres wrappers for most of them, just use what makes you happy
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22 2011-07-21 00:04:02 <prof7bit> i know. but its still confusing, especially if you are new to it and start asking yourself what this could be good for and cant find a valid purpose but it MUST have one because it is there. and then you start doubting your own intelligence. and i don't like when tools that are supposed to do my work make me feel that way.
23 2011-07-21 00:04:40 <lianj> sure most of the dvcs's are fine. svn sadly is vcs, which makes following project with it kinda funny. you dont have a version history, the server does
24 2011-07-21 00:05:21 <prof7bit> but if you always are connnected to the server then this is not really relevant.
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26 2011-07-21 00:05:48 <lianj> remote diffing sucks
27 2011-07-21 00:05:53 <jtaylor> not all always are, and if you are its sloooow
28 2011-07-21 00:06:20 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: what other python client implementations exist, besides yours?
29 2011-07-21 00:06:20 <jtaylor> although git on a network filesystem sucks too ^^
30 2011-07-21 00:06:24 <prof7bit> come on... C++ programmers arguing about slow tools...
31 2011-07-21 00:06:41 <prof7bit> the slowest compiler known to mankind
32 2011-07-21 00:06:48 <jtaylor> ^^
33 2011-07-21 00:06:56 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, pycoin
34 2011-07-21 00:06:58 <prof7bit> slowness
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36 2011-07-21 00:07:10 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, which appears to be an extension of artfortz code
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38 2011-07-21 00:07:17 <prof7bit> svn diff is fast enough for all needs
39 2011-07-21 00:08:00 <prof7bit> even on my slow consumer DSL line it is fast enough for all needs
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41 2011-07-21 00:08:19 * b4epoche_ would rather code alone
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43 2011-07-21 00:08:26 <jtaylor> switching branches is a larger problem
44 2011-07-21 00:08:32 <prof7bit> working with a 500kline proect
45 2011-07-21 00:08:55 <prof7bit> i don't swicth branches. i have them on my disk already.
46 2011-07-21 00:08:57 * b4epoche_ uses mediawiki for version control
47 2011-07-21 00:09:09 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: I was thinking about a drop-in replacement that supports mining & json-rpc api, but no GUI. Was planning on using ArtForz' half-a-node as base, but am looking at yours, and any other python impl
48 2011-07-21 00:09:09 <Joric_> coding along is great for those who can wait
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50 2011-07-21 00:09:28 <prof7bit> you dont switch anything in svn, you check it out and there is it and the other branch is still there in another directory.
51 2011-07-21 00:09:48 <jgarzik> pycoin looks dead since April 2011
52 2011-07-21 00:09:51 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, mine could do that pretty easily if you had a trusted client, it doesn't verify scripts/transactions at all
53 2011-07-21 00:09:56 <prof7bit> so switching branches is instantanuos in svn
54 2011-07-21 00:10:02 <phantomcircuit> it'll download the block chain though
55 2011-07-21 00:10:09 <lianj> prof7bit: lol
56 2011-07-21 00:10:43 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: nobody hasa python script engine yet?
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58 2011-07-21 00:11:19 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, well i have part of one
59 2011-07-21 00:11:22 <phantomcircuit> just need op checksig
60 2011-07-21 00:11:24 <phantomcircuit> just...
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63 2011-07-21 00:11:38 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: :)
64 2011-07-21 00:12:00 * jgarzik should dig around for mtve's perl client, which can do full block chain verf
65 2011-07-21 00:12:12 <prof7bit> i edit the code in the svn trunk, i have local changes. if i svn up then the other's changes will be merged into my copy, if my patch is ready i commit it (or make a patch file and submit it to the bug tracker) if i need a separate branch then this is something that is not done 12 times a day.
66 2011-07-21 00:12:53 <prof7bit> most minor things don't need a separate branch at all.
67 2011-07-21 00:13:08 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, lol
68 2011-07-21 00:13:12 <prof7bit> wife is calling. gtg.
69 2011-07-21 00:13:20 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, at some point ill get bored and finish it
70 2011-07-21 00:13:28 <b4epoche_> wtf! prof7bit is married?
71 2011-07-21 00:13:33 <phantomcircuit> the sql schema is a bit off
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74 2011-07-21 00:13:52 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: awful brave, using sql :)
75 2011-07-21 00:13:54 <jtaylor> prof7bit: you tend to now use branches because they are annoying to use in svn, in git their easy so you use them
76 2011-07-21 00:14:06 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, that's nothing
77 2011-07-21 00:14:09 <phantomcircuit> its *sqlite*
78 2011-07-21 00:14:20 <b4epoche_> 3 I hope
79 2011-07-21 00:14:23 <jtaylor> its of course depends on the project and their developers
80 2011-07-21 00:15:59 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, although i do regret the way i built the network handler
81 2011-07-21 00:16:14 <phantomcircuit> i should refactor the fuck out of it and finish the scripting engine
82 2011-07-21 00:16:20 <phantomcircuit> slap a pygtk front end on it and be done
83 2011-07-21 00:22:41 <luke-jr_> [19:53:55] <jtaylor> and what is a real cherry pick then? <-- one the VCS understands and handles properly
84 2011-07-21 00:22:54 <luke-jr_> [19:54:53] <WakiMiko_> well you have to commit locally first, but i would consider that a feature not a shortcumming <-- that's DVCS workflow, not CVCS
85 2011-07-21 00:23:03 <jtaylor> luke-jr_: how does one cherry pick in svn?
86 2011-07-21 00:23:36 <jgarzik> jtaylor: with great annoyance and difficulty :)
87 2011-07-21 00:23:39 <luke-jr_> jtaylor: svn merge -c revno
88 2011-07-21 00:23:40 <jgarzik> compared to git anyway
89 2011-07-21 00:23:49 <luke-jr_> jgarzik: git can't do real cherrypicking
90 2011-07-21 00:23:57 <jgarzik> I disagree
91 2011-07-21 00:24:20 <luke-jr_> jgarzik: git just does a diff, it has no idea that commit is merged
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93 2011-07-21 00:24:42 <jtaylor> local commit its the same workflow with one extra step, dvcs workflow is more than just a local proxy repository
94 2011-07-21 00:24:47 <luke-jr_> svn knows it's merged, and skips it if you later merge the commits before/after
95 2011-07-21 00:25:03 <jtaylor> luke-jre_ git cherry-pick -x does track the origin
96 2011-07-21 00:25:14 <jtaylor> luke-jr_ git does the same
97 2011-07-21 00:25:16 <jtaylor> see git cherry
98 2011-07-21 00:25:46 <luke-jr_> jtaylor: no, that just adds a note
99 2011-07-21 00:25:57 <luke-jr_> and it doesn't work if there's a conflict
100 2011-07-21 00:25:58 <jtaylor> thats all that is needed
101 2011-07-21 00:26:00 <luke-jr_> which is kinda half the point
102 2011-07-21 00:26:09 <jtaylor> svn will also fail on conflict
103 2011-07-21 00:26:14 <luke-jr_> jtaylor: that's like making a rsync backup of each revision
104 2011-07-21 00:26:18 <jtaylor> conflicts need human intervention in any case
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107 2011-07-21 00:26:29 <luke-jr_> svn will still record the cherry-pick, evne if there was a conflict
108 2011-07-21 00:27:09 <jtaylor> same can be done in git
109 2011-07-21 00:27:16 <jtaylor> its just explicit and not hidden in some internal database
110 2011-07-21 00:27:36 <jtaylor> git does not need the metadata, which is a good thing
111 2011-07-21 00:27:51 <jtaylor> and it still works better than svn in many situations without the data
112 2011-07-21 00:28:37 <jtaylor> and for a dvcs with meta data have a look at bzr
113 2011-07-21 00:28:38 <luke-jr_> git definitely works better than svn, but it isn't a superset, and svn has many features git is lacking
114 2011-07-21 00:28:45 <b4epoche_> take it to #all-version-control-sux
115 2011-07-21 00:28:45 <CIA-103> bitcoin: phantomcircuit * r5d4f38ee0e55 bitcoin-alt/ (bitcoin.py bitcoin/storage.py): removed only contributed code and added have_blocks storage call http://tinyurl.com/3jxgare
116 2011-07-21 00:28:47 <luke-jr_> yes, bzr is nice
117 2011-07-21 00:28:50 <jtaylor> name one
118 2011-07-21 00:28:55 <luke-jr_> jtaylor: I just did
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120 2011-07-21 00:28:58 <luke-jr_> cherry-picking
121 2011-07-21 00:28:59 <luke-jr_> copies
122 2011-07-21 00:29:01 <luke-jr_> renames
123 2011-07-21 00:29:02 <jtaylor> and I disagree
124 2011-07-21 00:29:25 <jtaylor> copies and renames are handled fine except in very rare occasions
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126 2011-07-21 00:29:44 <b4epoche_> if the latest aint the best you're an idiot... thus, only idiots need version control
127 2011-07-21 00:29:55 <luke-jr_> they're not really handled at all. git tries to guess things on merges to hide it, but that's not the same
128 2011-07-21 00:30:08 <jtaylor> yes it has the same effect, but much simpler
129 2011-07-21 00:30:13 <luke-jr_> not the same effect
130 2011-07-21 00:30:21 <jtaylor> where is the difference?
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132 2011-07-21 00:30:54 <luke-jr_> git won't track a copy-and-change properly
133 2011-07-21 00:31:03 <jtaylor> it can detect that very fast
134 2011-07-21 00:31:07 <luke-jr_> because it doesn't trust the human
135 2011-07-21 00:31:17 <jtaylor> even in the slow cases it is faster than svn
136 2011-07-21 00:31:24 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: ideally you need a complete script engine; in practice, you just need the isStandard() ops found in the block chain already
137 2011-07-21 00:31:32 <luke-jr_> faster, but not smarter than the human
138 2011-07-21 00:31:40 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, yeah i have all of them except OP_CHECKSIG
139 2011-07-21 00:31:49 <luke-jr_> jgarzik: don't make me add the other ops in a block
140 2011-07-21 00:31:58 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, im actually going to make this a complete implementation like
141 2011-07-21 00:31:59 <phantomcircuit> right now
142 2011-07-21 00:32:10 <jtaylor> I didn't ahve a situation where gits handling was wrong
143 2011-07-21 00:32:15 <phantomcircuit> going to move from hand parsing to pyconstruct
144 2011-07-21 00:32:18 <phantomcircuit> looks loverly
145 2011-07-21 00:32:32 <jtaylor> but there where situations in the kernel which where problematic
146 2011-07-21 00:33:10 <jtaylor> but chances that you need to take extra care are extremely low for normal people
147 2011-07-21 00:33:23 <luke-jr_> I prefer to be explicit.
148 2011-07-21 00:33:31 <jtaylor> git is explicit, svn is implicit
149 2011-07-21 00:33:39 <luke-jr_> in fact, I'd prefer if copy was split into "fork" and "template-copy"
150 2011-07-21 00:33:44 <luke-jr_> no, git is implicit
151 2011-07-21 00:33:52 <luke-jr_> git tries to guess what you want to do
152 2011-07-21 00:34:00 <luke-jr_> you get to svn what you want to do explicitly
153 2011-07-21 00:34:04 <luke-jr_> get to tell*
154 2011-07-21 00:34:16 <jtaylor> git does not guess what you want to do, it tracks what you do
155 2011-07-21 00:34:25 <jtaylor> if your copy is no copy git will not show it as one
156 2011-07-21 00:34:34 <luke-jr_> â¦
157 2011-07-21 00:35:01 <luke-jr_> actually, there should be 4 kinds of copies
158 2011-07-21 00:35:07 <luke-jr_> fork, template-copy, split, combine
159 2011-07-21 00:35:09 <phantomcircuit> drop it this is retarded
160 2011-07-21 00:35:16 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: ?
161 2011-07-21 00:35:22 <jtaylor> I see your point, I do no agree but your argument is not invalid, lets leave it at this
162 2011-07-21 00:35:23 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: starting over from scratch?
163 2011-07-21 00:35:36 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, it shouldn't take long actually
164 2011-07-21 00:35:56 * phantomcircuit lols at final last words
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166 2011-07-21 00:37:15 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: pyconstruct == http://construct.wikispaces.com/ ?
167 2011-07-21 00:37:27 <phantomcircuit> yes
168 2011-07-21 00:37:42 <phantomcircuit> it appears to be more or less protobuf but for parsing random shit
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189 2011-07-21 00:59:27 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, eh crap i forgot i wrote this in python3
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191 2011-07-21 01:01:43 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: that was your first mistake
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193 2011-07-21 01:01:57 <phantomcircuit> lol
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205 2011-07-21 01:21:30 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, zomg Construct is fucking amazing
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210 2011-07-21 01:26:05 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: does it handle stuff like bitcoin's variable-length vector sizes?
211 2011-07-21 01:26:14 <phantomcircuit> i think so
212 2011-07-21 01:26:38 <luke-jr_> what stops me from copyrighting a transaction and suing everyone with a node? <.<
213 2011-07-21 01:27:01 <phantomcircuit> you cant copyright a transaction noob
214 2011-07-21 01:27:05 <phantomcircuit> lrn2copyrightlaw
215 2011-07-21 01:27:10 <luke-jr_> phantomcircuit: why not?
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218 2011-07-21 01:27:39 <phantomcircuit> i forget the technical word
219 2011-07-21 01:27:50 <phantomcircuit> but you need to have an original work for it to be copyrighted
220 2011-07-21 01:27:58 <phantomcircuit> and a transaction wouldn't qualify
221 2011-07-21 01:28:12 <luke-jr_> it doesn't have to be 100% original, no
222 2011-07-21 01:28:13 <phantomcircuit> you *might* be able to get a patent for a specific form of transaction though
223 2011-07-21 01:28:18 <luke-jr_> derived works can be copyrighted
224 2011-07-21 01:28:33 <phantomcircuit> yes that was the wrong word
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244 2011-07-21 02:00:54 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: what is the preferred dbm module in python2?
245 2011-07-21 02:00:59 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: anydbm?
246 2011-07-21 02:01:46 <phantomcircuit> no idea
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250 2011-07-21 02:07:50 <phantomcircuit> lol i forgot about this gem
251 2011-07-21 02:08:13 <phantomcircuit> transaction output uses uint64 but everything else uses varuint
252 2011-07-21 02:08:15 <phantomcircuit> lol
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316 2011-07-21 04:11:34 <Incitatus> hey tcatm
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324 2011-07-21 04:25:12 <SgtSpike> What is the command to send someone a private message? And is it logged?
325 2011-07-21 04:25:45 <cjdelisle> /msg and yes, it's the internet. *everything* is logged.
326 2011-07-21 04:26:12 <SgtSpike> So it'll show up here: http://bit.ly/iPFi3X ?
327 2011-07-21 04:27:04 <cjdelisle> No. I just mean it's logged by freenode and half a dozen governments and ISPs
328 2011-07-21 04:27:25 <SgtSpike> Oh, that's fine. I just don't want the general public to see. So it's /msg username message?
329 2011-07-21 04:27:34 <cjdelisle> /nod
330 2011-07-21 04:27:38 <SgtSpike> Thanks much
331 2011-07-21 04:27:41 <SgtSpike> I rarely use IRC
332 2011-07-21 04:27:51 <forrestv`> hm, block validation needs to get threaded
333 2011-07-21 04:27:52 <cjdelisle> careful, it's considered rude to pm without permission
334 2011-07-21 04:28:05 <cjdelisle> forrestv`: indeed
335 2011-07-21 04:28:05 <SgtSpike> How does one receive permission?
336 2011-07-21 04:28:12 <SgtSpike> Ask publicly first?
337 2011-07-21 04:28:19 <cjdelisle> "Hey SgtSpike, can I pm you?"
338 2011-07-21 04:28:33 <SgtSpike> Lol, ok
339 2011-07-21 04:28:44 <SgtSpike> MagicalTux, can I PM you?
340 2011-07-21 04:30:32 <intx> my client is showing "blocks" : 0, -- is this normal? how long does it typically take for this to change?
341 2011-07-21 04:30:39 <intx> i have 9 active connections
342 2011-07-21 04:31:04 <intx> been running it about 2 hours
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344 2011-07-21 04:35:11 <SgtSpike> That's not normal with 9 connections. It should be downloading like mad. I have no suggestions to fix it though.
345 2011-07-21 04:35:41 <doublec> intx: what version is your client?
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348 2011-07-21 04:44:11 <SgtSpike> Is it rude to ask multiple times if you can PM someone? Lol... not sure what to do since MT didn't respond.
349 2011-07-21 04:47:12 <doublec> he might be asleep
350 2011-07-21 04:49:32 <SgtSpike> He's in Japan right?
351 2011-07-21 04:49:37 <SgtSpike> Unless he sleeps during the day...
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354 2011-07-21 04:53:51 <Joric> python is awesome
355 2011-07-21 04:54:01 <Joric> official sources, lib/binhex.py: raise Error, 'Close at the wrong time' and after a line raise Error "Incorrect resource-datasize, diff=%r"
356 2011-07-21 04:54:22 <Joric> they're use ' and " randomly
357 2011-07-21 04:54:33 <Joric> *using
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360 2011-07-21 04:58:39 <SgtSpike> Python is the opposite of awesome.
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362 2011-07-21 05:01:08 <MagicalTux> SgtSpike: yes
363 2011-07-21 05:01:32 <IO-> google sure seems to love python though
364 2011-07-21 05:01:43 <IO-> i miss ;'s though
365 2011-07-21 05:01:56 <IO-> and using tabs instead of things like { } still bug me
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369 2011-07-21 05:08:22 <bitcoinN00b> hey guys
370 2011-07-21 05:08:51 <bitcoinN00b> just had a few dev related questions, and trying to get my head around bitcoin at the same time
371 2011-07-21 05:08:55 <bitcoinN00b> anyone up?
372 2011-07-21 05:09:22 <sacarlson> has anyone looked at this import/export transaction method ? it sounds good https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=28278.msg372731#msg372731
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375 2011-07-21 05:11:07 <sacarlson> without any negitives I plan to incorporate it into MultiCoin for further evaluation
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380 2011-07-21 05:14:25 <Incitatus> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=30646.0
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386 2011-07-21 05:18:18 <sacarlson> I just read that http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=30646.0 article and I would like to add one more thing that is needed is some standard method for adding plugin's , I'm not sure I see it in this model but I could have just missed it
387 2011-07-21 05:18:29 <bitcoinN00b> is there a PHP class for bitcoins, i want to work on a simple trade website.
388 2011-07-21 05:18:50 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: yes
389 2011-07-21 05:20:42 <bitcoinN00b> so the class can allow for the site to essential have its Bitcoin address
390 2011-07-21 05:21:12 <bitcoinN00b> so sellers can upload coints..
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394 2011-07-21 05:23:52 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: the class is setup so that not only your site but all it's members have there own addresses
395 2011-07-21 05:24:32 <bitcoinN00b> so they all have virtual wallets?
396 2011-07-21 05:24:32 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: so that you can distinguish who sent you the money or coins
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400 2011-07-21 05:25:37 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: in a way yes virtual wallets, but most just flush the temp address over time and keep track of accounts in mysql
401 2011-07-21 05:28:37 <bitcoinN00b> so would each member have their own address and wallet? or a shared wallet with temp addresses?
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403 2011-07-21 05:31:53 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: they are all in the same walet just different accounts in the walet
404 2011-07-21 05:33:27 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: sendfrom <fromaccount> <tobitcoinaddress> <amount> [minconf=1] [comment] [comment-to]
405 2011-07-21 05:34:15 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: getaccountaddress <account>
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418 2011-07-21 06:19:24 <TuxBlackEdo> Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even. go want to do look more like?
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447 2011-07-21 07:18:38 <Zagitta> ;;nc;stats
448 2011-07-21 07:18:38 <gribble> Error: "nc;stats" is not a valid command.
449 2011-07-21 07:18:58 <Zagitta> ;;bc,stats
450 2011-07-21 07:18:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 137310 | Current Difficulty: 1690906.2047244 | Next Difficulty At Block: 139103 | Next Difficulty In: 1793 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1755105.87442034
451 2011-07-21 07:19:05 <Zagitta> ;;nc,stats
452 2011-07-21 07:19:06 <gribble> Error: "nc,stats" is not a valid command.
453 2011-07-21 07:19:21 <Zagitta> i'd thought it supported namecoin too? :3
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455 2011-07-21 07:27:26 <Diablo-D3> I just had a scay idea
456 2011-07-21 07:27:33 <Diablo-D3> you know node.js, right?
457 2011-07-21 07:27:41 <Diablo-D3> this could be done with bash.
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461 2011-07-21 07:30:02 <Joric> so node.js or bash?
462 2011-07-21 07:30:54 <Diablo-D3> Joric: well
463 2011-07-21 07:31:00 <Diablo-D3> someone made a RoR-alike for bash
464 2011-07-21 07:31:33 <Diablo-D3> uses netcat for unholy action
465 2011-07-21 07:31:54 <Joric> btw check out the brand new site that i'm totally not logging http://bitcointools.appspot.com
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474 2011-07-21 07:51:31 <zamgo_> http://bitcointools.appspot.com/?str=%3CJoric%3E+btw+check+out+the+brand+new+site+that+i%27m+totally+not+logging+http%3A%2F%2Fbitcointools.appspot.com&rounds=1
475 2011-07-21 07:51:52 <zamgo_> nice
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477 2011-07-21 07:52:26 <zamgo_> add multiple addressversions to get testnet and namecoin, etc addresses, and nicer still
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483 2011-07-21 07:54:50 <sacarlson> zamgo_: so what does that do create a non random keys
484 2011-07-21 07:55:05 <sacarlson> I see he left anyone else?
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486 2011-07-21 08:00:55 <abishai> anyone has a log of the mtGox ticker for the past month or so?
487 2011-07-21 08:02:01 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Ang Iong Chun master * r59b584a / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Supports expire=... for X-Roll-NTime - https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/59b584af1c92147e42edd962b7003c00f3103ae9 https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/59b584af1c92147e42edd962b7003c00f3103ae9
488 2011-07-21 08:02:01 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r29b8c77 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Merge pull request #27 from iongchun/xrollntime-expire ... https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/29b8c7730a5b4f4875bc23ca2065e5b959dd150c
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495 2011-07-21 08:08:52 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r7dc221e / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Fix formatting, change debug message - https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/7dc221e9513fbb9c78873ce3b89739b4ebf88158 https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/7dc221e9513fbb9c78873ce3b89739b4ebf88158
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511 2011-07-21 08:54:04 <diki> lol @ McFarland
512 2011-07-21 08:54:19 <diki> he is from a far land, eh? trolololo
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531 2011-07-21 09:20:39 <ThomasV> I there. my kernel says "TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 79.221.236.188:49967/8333 shrinks window 2934930340:2934943408. Repaired."
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535 2011-07-21 09:21:25 <ThomasV> is that some kind of rogue node ?
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537 2011-07-21 09:22:15 <abishai> treason..that cant be good, those slimy traitors are everywhere!
538 2011-07-21 09:22:20 <cjdelisle> Probably a buggy tcp stack.
539 2011-07-21 09:22:34 <cjdelisle> buggy computer? glitch (at the other end)
540 2011-07-21 09:23:12 <cjdelisle> TCP is kernel code and when your kernel reports treason it means the other end did something that TCP is never ever supposed to be doing.
541 2011-07-21 09:23:24 <cjdelisle> So it's at the operating system level.
542 2011-07-21 09:24:18 <ThomasV> I was asking this question in the context of bitcoin ; mind the port number
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544 2011-07-21 09:25:19 <cjdelisle> Yea but it is *impossible* for bitcoin to make TCP do that. It's a bug in kernel code.
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564 2011-07-21 10:01:31 <prof7bit> maybe a kernel bug: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2006-03/msg03750.html
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604 2011-07-21 11:21:07 <prof7bit> what is the irc bootstrapping server and channel? I can't find it in the bitcoin protocol specification
605 2011-07-21 11:21:20 <prof7bit> s/what/whats its name/
606 2011-07-21 11:21:29 <prof7bit> and port
607 2011-07-21 11:22:16 <BlueMatt> irc.lfnet.org
608 2011-07-21 11:22:28 <BlueMatt> #bitcoin00-#bitcoin99
609 2011-07-21 11:22:40 <cjdelisle> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp#L271
610 2011-07-21 11:22:41 <prof7bit> ok, thanks
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612 2011-07-21 11:23:12 <abishai> anyone set up a logging bot for mtgox ticker?
613 2011-07-21 11:23:40 <IO-> are there any pools that SMS txt you when a rig is idle
614 2011-07-21 11:23:42 <IO-> ?
615 2011-07-21 11:23:43 <prof7bit> will the irc bootstrapping mathod be the final solution or will this be replaced with some other method some day?
616 2011-07-21 11:24:03 <BlueMatt> its already being deprecated for replacement by dnsseeds
617 2011-07-21 11:24:03 <WakiMiko_> there already is dns bootstrapping
618 2011-07-21 11:24:31 <cjdelisle> dns? Is it documented somewhere?
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620 2011-07-21 11:25:03 <BlueMatt> its dns, what documentation do you need?
621 2011-07-21 11:25:14 <BlueMatt> it looksup addresses and tries those addresses?
622 2011-07-21 11:25:17 <WakiMiko_> &dns dnsseed.bluematt.me
623 2011-07-21 11:25:17 <gribble> 70.94.116.219
624 2011-07-21 11:25:19 <WakiMiko_> &dns dnsseed.bluematt.me
625 2011-07-21 11:25:19 <gribble> 70.94.116.219
626 2011-07-21 11:26:10 <prof7bit> bluematt.me <-- who controls this domain and the name servers?
627 2011-07-21 11:26:17 <WakiMiko_> guess
628 2011-07-21 11:26:18 <BlueMatt> that one is me
629 2011-07-21 11:26:19 <cjdelisle> I see so you'll just have a hardcoded pool of "usually stable" nodes which will introduce everyone else to eachother?
630 2011-07-21 11:26:22 <xelister> prof7bit: take a wild quess
631 2011-07-21 11:26:38 <prof7bit> will this be the final solution?
632 2011-07-21 11:26:56 <BlueMatt> the other two are jgarzik and vladimir
633 2011-07-21 11:27:05 <BlueMatt> no one has a better one yet, so...yes
634 2011-07-21 11:27:23 <IO-> is mine stable enough to be included?
635 2011-07-21 11:27:29 <prof7bit> so you 3 are the new bosses of bitcoin
636 2011-07-21 11:27:38 <prof7bit> the owners
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638 2011-07-21 11:27:58 <BlueMatt> its just bootstrapping, once youve opened bitocin once, it uses its addr.dat
639 2011-07-21 11:28:04 <BlueMatt> and nodes from other peers
640 2011-07-21 11:28:15 <BlueMatt> IO-: yea, ive been meaning to ask
641 2011-07-21 11:28:16 <WakiMiko_> you can always disable dns seeding if you dont like it...
642 2011-07-21 11:28:45 <BlueMatt> IO-: whats the output of the last couple of lines of count-nodes.php
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644 2011-07-21 11:29:09 <IO-> In DNS: 2687
645 2011-07-21 11:29:09 <IO-> Total: 114394
646 2011-07-21 11:29:28 <BlueMatt> whats the 32400, 32300, 32200?
647 2011-07-21 11:29:39 <WakiMiko_> version numbers
648 2011-07-21 11:29:41 <IO-> 32200 167
649 2011-07-21 11:29:41 <IO-> 32300 1593
650 2011-07-21 11:29:41 <IO-> 32400 465
651 2011-07-21 11:29:49 <BlueMatt> meh, looks good to me
652 2011-07-21 11:29:55 <IO-> awesome
653 2011-07-21 11:29:58 <cjdelisle> This kind of thing is also :( "CAddress addrIP("checkip.dyndns.org", 80, true);"
654 2011-07-21 11:29:59 <WakiMiko_> still a lot of people on 23 apparently
655 2011-07-21 11:30:06 <BlueMatt> yea, sadly
656 2011-07-21 11:30:16 <IO-> 32100 340
657 2011-07-21 11:30:22 <BlueMatt> well, the real problem (I think) is that the 24 nodes are getting their connection slots full really fast
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659 2011-07-21 11:34:10 <prof7bit> is there also one for the testnet?
660 2011-07-21 11:34:24 <BlueMatt> no
661 2011-07-21 11:34:34 <prof7bit> is it planned?
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664 2011-07-21 11:35:11 <BlueMatt> Well Im not gonna do it, but if someone wants to run one...
665 2011-07-21 11:35:19 <prof7bit> for simplicity i would like to not implement an irc client at all (now) if i could simply use dns
666 2011-07-21 11:35:29 <BlueMatt> shouldnt be /too/ hard to spin one up
667 2011-07-21 11:35:41 <BlueMatt> well you can if you dont want to use testnet
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669 2011-07-21 11:36:39 <prof7bit> when i reach the point of making my first transaction i would rather test this on testnet first.
670 2011-07-21 11:37:50 <prof7bit> but this will still take some time, so i hope there will be a dns somewhere until then
671 2011-07-21 11:37:53 <BlueMatt> well you can always grab a list of good seeds for testnet and use dns for realnet
672 2011-07-21 11:38:58 <prof7bit> another problem: what is if clients don't want / can't use port 8333, how would they announce that with the dns method?
673 2011-07-21 11:39:11 <BlueMatt> they dont, the dnsseed takes care of that
674 2011-07-21 11:39:58 <prof7bit> they don't? don't use other ports?
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676 2011-07-21 11:40:14 <BlueMatt> you mean outoing port 8333?
677 2011-07-21 11:40:21 <BlueMatt> well no, then you have to figure it out yourself
678 2011-07-21 11:40:39 <prof7bit> if in a country 8333 is blocked for example
679 2011-07-21 11:40:40 <BlueMatt> considering the number of nodes on non-8333 ports is like...1 I dont think you have much of a chance anyway
680 2011-07-21 11:40:59 <WakiMiko_> do you only add nodes to the dns seed list that are listening on 8333?
681 2011-07-21 11:41:01 <prof7bit> and people decide to run nodes on arbitrary other ports
682 2011-07-21 11:41:10 <BlueMatt> WakiMiko_: thats the idea
683 2011-07-21 11:41:35 <WakiMiko_> prof7bit: once you are connected to a view nodes, that should sort itself out
684 2011-07-21 11:41:41 <WakiMiko_> s/view/few
685 2011-07-21 11:42:22 <prof7bit> yes, but seeding only gives me 8333 clients. and if i cannot connect any of them then i am screwed.
686 2011-07-21 11:43:29 mmoya has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
687 2011-07-21 11:43:38 <WakiMiko_> hmm thats a valid point
688 2011-07-21 11:44:19 <WakiMiko_> there has been a suggestion to use bittorrent trackers as seeds, i thought that was a good idea
689 2011-07-21 11:44:21 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
690 2011-07-21 11:44:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 137333 | Current Difficulty: 1690906.2047244 | Next Difficulty At Block: 139103 | Next Difficulty In: 1770 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1722023.60343936
691 2011-07-21 11:44:24 <xelister> prof7bit: #btcfn will be a solution if e.g. your ISP overall blocks 8333
692 2011-07-21 11:44:35 <xelister> tor is also a solution
693 2011-07-21 11:44:36 <WakiMiko_> dont think any of the devs liked it though
694 2011-07-21 11:44:53 <BlueMatt> WakiMiko_: I really dont understand why that is a good idea...
695 2011-07-21 11:45:29 <WakiMiko_> because trackers are an existing infrastructure and they keep track of ips (+port) for a living
696 2011-07-21 11:45:34 <cjdelisle> IMO the thing to use is bittorrent DHT, if you can find a bittorrent node you can find the btc network and frankly, you can't walk out your door without running into a bittorrent node.
697 2011-07-21 11:46:09 <BlueMatt> then you have to bootstrap the dht
698 2011-07-21 11:46:20 <BlueMatt> now we have to bootstrap our bootstrap mechanism
699 2011-07-21 11:46:25 <xelister> #btcfn project will distribute bitcoin chain to totally censored ISP/countries. also we could distribute tracker for normal nodes too
700 2011-07-21 11:46:55 <cjdelisle> All you need is the ip addr of a bittorrent node and there are so many that it's hard not to find one.
701 2011-07-21 11:47:37 <WakiMiko_> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=84.msg119872#msg119872 here is the BT suggestion if anyone cares
702 2011-07-21 11:47:39 <BlueMatt> but why bother?
703 2011-07-21 11:47:55 <BlueMatt> I mean seriously, neither of those offer any additional advantage...
704 2011-07-21 11:48:08 <cjdelisle> Advantage over what?
705 2011-07-21 11:48:28 <BlueMatt> well, dnsseed certainly has a major advantage over dht
706 2011-07-21 11:48:33 <BlueMatt> first the bootstrapping problem
707 2011-07-21 11:48:44 <BlueMatt> second dnsseed can check that your ip is up and accepting connections and on the latest version
708 2011-07-21 11:48:48 <BlueMatt> a dht cant do that
709 2011-07-21 11:48:51 <BlueMatt> well not really
710 2011-07-21 11:49:01 <WakiMiko_> the advantage of bittorrent trackers is that a) nodes requestiong ips from the tracker would automatically get added to it b) the tracker also keeps track of the port, not only the ip
711 2011-07-21 11:49:30 <cjdelisle> *shrug* it's your project but laying the whole thing on 3 dns entries kinds sounds like putting your balls on Verisign's chopping block.
712 2011-07-21 11:49:36 <BlueMatt> meh port isnt much of a problem...
713 2011-07-21 11:49:49 <BlueMatt> cjdelisle: well it is always nice to get more dnsseeds
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715 2011-07-21 11:49:55 <BlueMatt> I never said 3 was enough
716 2011-07-21 11:50:08 <BlueMatt> plus IO- has one that needs added for 0.4
717 2011-07-21 11:50:14 <cjdelisle> How about 5 million? That's the size of the bittorrent DHT.
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719 2011-07-21 11:50:30 <BlueMatt> and how does one go about checking the stuff in the dht is valid?
720 2011-07-21 11:51:10 <BlueMatt> IO-: whats the hostname, Ill pull request it and get it in asap
721 2011-07-21 11:51:42 <IO-> msg'ed
722 2011-07-21 11:51:47 <cjdelisle> So if you get introduced to a bad node you can't recover?
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724 2011-07-21 11:52:14 <BlueMatt> of course you can
725 2011-07-21 11:52:21 <BlueMatt> get a good node and itl pass more addresses to you
726 2011-07-21 11:52:34 <cjdelisle> Bittorrent DHT allows you to get lots of ip addr/port pairs and you can try them all.
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728 2011-07-21 11:53:00 <BlueMatt> so does irc
729 2011-07-21 11:53:11 <cjdelisle> your project...
730 2011-07-21 11:55:32 <IO-> how would the BT method only give you certain client versions?
731 2011-07-21 11:55:55 <BlueMatt> or give you only valid nodes?
732 2011-07-21 11:56:06 <BlueMatt> I just have yet to see a convincing argument
733 2011-07-21 11:56:14 <Joric> the only advantage there if you don't like tcp there are udp trackers
734 2011-07-21 11:56:23 <BlueMatt> dns is udp
735 2011-07-21 11:57:00 <IO-> and no one firewalls outbound udp DNS requests
736 2011-07-21 11:57:22 <IO-> i wouldn't be surprised if BT where blocked
737 2011-07-21 11:57:24 <BlueMatt> well a lot of isps will forward them to their resolvers automatically...
738 2011-07-21 11:57:56 <BlueMatt> but seriously, its not a bitcoin problem, if you are blocked from the internet, tor and btcfn are there for a reason
739 2011-07-21 11:58:00 <Joric> i've had a conversation with the opentracker hoster :)
740 2011-07-21 11:58:08 <Joric> "opentracker is free. but please don't abuse other people's servers. if I found you doing that I would silently begin inserting false addresses and removing the ones you put there"
741 2011-07-21 11:58:29 <IO-> ouch
742 2011-07-21 11:58:31 <WakiMiko_> opentracker is software
743 2011-07-21 11:58:36 <WakiMiko_> not a tracker site
744 2011-07-21 11:58:45 <WakiMiko_> do you mean openbittorrent?
745 2011-07-21 11:58:59 <Joric> yes, openbittorrent
746 2011-07-21 11:59:17 <xelister> IO-: well for blocking we mostly have #btcfn (though it will take still ~month)
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748 2011-07-21 11:59:37 <xelister> well it is most anti-censoring full blown technology =)
749 2011-07-21 12:00:16 <WakiMiko_> also it would be VALID addresses, just not for bittorrent :)
750 2011-07-21 12:00:32 <WakiMiko_> all the tracker knows is a hash anyway
751 2011-07-21 12:01:03 <IO-> cool
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754 2011-07-21 12:03:08 <Joric> i ended with the gamesurf irc network, totally legal
755 2011-07-21 12:03:21 <IO-> btcfn is an awesome project
756 2011-07-21 12:11:13 <Joric> bitcoin hash reverser http://bitcointools.appspot.com
757 2011-07-21 12:11:31 <Joric> made it after bluematt's puzzle
758 2011-07-21 12:12:11 Akinava has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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760 2011-07-21 12:13:50 <Eliel> Joric: that's a neat idea :)
761 2011-07-21 12:14:00 <Eliel> can make passphrase accounts easily :)
762 2011-07-21 12:15:44 <Eliel> 6+ words in a passphrase and even with the knowledge that it's based on a passphrase, it'd probably be easier to just brute force search the keyspace for the private key :P
763 2011-07-21 12:24:53 ophiel has joined
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765 2011-07-21 12:28:56 <BlueMatt> Joric: Ill use it when its in js and doesnt submit my private keys to your server ;)
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768 2011-07-21 12:34:36 <Eliel> simple enough idea that you could even easily add that to main bitcoin client :)
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771 2011-07-21 12:39:18 <prof7bit> is there some example code for how to performing the dns lookup so that i get a list of *all* dns answers?
772 2011-07-21 12:40:00 <BlueMatt> net.cpp look for dnsseed... and youll find the code
773 2011-07-21 12:40:01 <prof7bit> some libc api maybe (and a corresponding api for windpows)?
774 2011-07-21 12:44:08 <WakiMiko_> wouldn any dns library work?
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776 2011-07-21 12:49:37 <BlueMatt> yep
777 2011-07-21 12:50:08 <b4epoche_> BlueMatt: how's the osx stuff coming?
778 2011-07-21 12:50:24 <BlueMatt> b4epoche_: good, it compiled and worked just fine last night
779 2011-07-21 12:50:35 <b4epoche_> oh, awesome!
780 2011-07-21 12:51:00 * b4epoche_ was expecting to have to spend time today debugging
781 2011-07-21 12:51:40 <b4epoche_> now I can spend more time figuring out this convoluted MtGox API
782 2011-07-21 12:55:46 Joric has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
783 2011-07-21 12:56:19 <prof7bit> does gethostbyname work the same way in windows?
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786 2011-07-21 13:00:07 <WakiMiko_> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms738524%28v=vs.85%29.aspx i guess
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795 2011-07-21 13:25:11 <Joric> someone explain the outpoint, may i use zero outpoint in transaction?
796 2011-07-21 13:26:06 <lianj> Joric: you want to /dev/null some coins?
797 2011-07-21 13:26:56 ophiel has left ()
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799 2011-07-21 13:28:02 <WakiMiko_> input - output = fees
800 2011-07-21 13:28:42 <Joric> "previous_output - outpoint" previous output from what? previous transaction from that address?
801 2011-07-21 13:29:16 <lianj> WakiMiko_: ah, true :D
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804 2011-07-21 13:34:07 <LameArse> anyone seen nefario?
805 2011-07-21 13:34:19 <BlueMatt> ;;seen nefario
806 2011-07-21 13:34:20 <gribble> nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, and 32 seconds ago: <nefario> thanks for your time
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809 2011-07-21 13:36:04 <LameArse> 2 weeks ago?
810 2011-07-21 13:36:08 <LameArse> thats odd
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812 2011-07-21 13:37:58 <WakiMiko_> ;;any nefario
813 2011-07-21 13:37:58 <gribble> nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 20 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: *** nefario <nefario!~nefario@59.53.65.157> has parted #bitcoin-dev
814 2011-07-21 13:39:47 <WakiMiko_> "connections" : 255
815 2011-07-21 13:39:48 <WakiMiko_> damn
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823 2011-07-21 13:46:26 <Zagitta> nice one WakiMiko
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826 2011-07-21 13:48:33 <WakiMiko_> i wonder how many concurrent tcp connections it can handle. does linux set a default limit?
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831 2011-07-21 13:54:23 <Zagitta> no idea
832 2011-07-21 13:55:13 <Zagitta> question is how you reached that many peers though... i've never seen above 80 neither at home nor on my AWS server
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834 2011-07-21 13:56:48 <WakiMiko_> i dunno, i set the max connections to 255, and specified 3 addnodes (mtgox, slushs, gavins) in bitcoin.conf. took only like 1h for it to reach that number
835 2011-07-21 13:57:31 <Joric> a whole squad of feds
836 2011-07-21 13:57:44 <WakiMiko_> lol
837 2011-07-21 13:58:17 <phantomcircuit> anybody have random problems with bitcoin they want fixed?
838 2011-07-21 13:59:09 <Joric> my router doesn't work with your version of upnp
839 2011-07-21 13:59:22 <WakiMiko_> phantomcircuit: yeah, my balance is too low
840 2011-07-21 14:00:06 <phantomcircuit> WakiMiko_, i will pay you 0.1 BTC for a drawing of a cat
841 2011-07-21 14:00:50 <phantomcircuit> original work only!
842 2011-07-21 14:00:52 <Joric> had to replace all URLBase to ARLBase in libminiupnpc.a then it worked
843 2011-07-21 14:01:30 <upb> phantomcircuit: you'll merge stuff for btc ?:P
844 2011-07-21 14:01:45 <phantomcircuit> upb, i dont have merge powerz
845 2011-07-21 14:01:48 <phantomcircuit> which is silly
846 2011-07-21 14:02:06 eureka^ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
847 2011-07-21 14:02:11 Teslah has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
848 2011-07-21 14:02:29 <upb> ah i was wondering about sneaking in a few exploitable bugs and then selling it to zdi
849 2011-07-21 14:02:59 <Joric> for bitcoins?
850 2011-07-21 14:03:08 <redhatzero> maybe you can get some inspiration on how to get merge powerz -> http://xkcd.com/149/
851 2011-07-21 14:03:26 <upb> for CHF :P
852 2011-07-21 14:04:05 * upb has a jacket with that comic
853 2011-07-21 14:04:13 <redhatzero> :D nice
854 2011-07-21 14:04:30 b4epoche_ has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
855 2011-07-21 14:04:35 <Zagitta> rofl
856 2011-07-21 14:05:20 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: can you fix the britcoin/intersango API and email me a list of all trades in the new format?
857 2011-07-21 14:05:47 <WakiMiko_> phantomcircuit: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6457172/cat.png my drawing skills suck
858 2011-07-21 14:05:55 <WakiMiko_> especially on a touchpad
859 2011-07-21 14:06:16 <WakiMiko_> poor cat only has 2 legs
860 2011-07-21 14:06:59 <Zagitta> WakiMiko_: for what it's worth, that's better than my hand drawings
861 2011-07-21 14:08:27 <WakiMiko_> 1Kb4MWnfLT1XnrxnRmEvAnYLzAGSRsbhuL :3
862 2011-07-21 14:08:54 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, i believe there isn't anything wrong with it right now
863 2011-07-21 14:09:06 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, oh you mean you want them with a txid?
864 2011-07-21 14:09:18 <Joric> i just drew some cats too http://www.thebestpictureontheinternet.com
865 2011-07-21 14:09:29 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: yes, a tid is required in ~30 days
866 2011-07-21 14:09:45 <phantomcircuit> k well we should have a completely new platform before then
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868 2011-07-21 14:11:38 <upb> completely new platforms are the rage in bitcoin
869 2011-07-21 14:12:16 <upb> let me guess, youre also going to write your own ORM ?
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871 2011-07-21 14:13:11 * upb slaps phantomcircuit
872 2011-07-21 14:13:42 <Joric> rage in bitcoin http://ragecoins.appspot.com
873 2011-07-21 14:13:49 <phantomcircuit> upb, WHATS AN ORM?
874 2011-07-21 14:14:00 <upb> srs?
875 2011-07-21 14:14:05 <phantomcircuit> lol no
876 2011-07-21 14:14:21 <upb> you might be, trying to get out of it by looking like trolling
877 2011-07-21 14:14:30 <upb> (other window, google, define:ORM, writing own)
878 2011-07-21 14:14:38 <prof7bit> is this only me? Every time I browse sources on github my firefox takes 100% and it becomes almost unusable.
879 2011-07-21 14:14:49 <prof7bit> thsi is really no fun
880 2011-07-21 14:15:18 <phantomcircuit> yeah githubs js shit is annoying
881 2011-07-21 14:15:22 <phantomcircuit> almost as bad a /.
882 2011-07-21 14:17:30 <phantomcircuit> upb, but in all seriousness there isn't a good PHP ORM
883 2011-07-21 14:18:06 <nanotube> ah, php - there's your problem. :) </runaway>
884 2011-07-21 14:18:41 <phantomcircuit> yes
885 2011-07-21 14:21:17 copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
886 2011-07-21 14:23:22 <jrmithdobbs> hey someone tell me what currency is â¬
887 2011-07-21 14:23:31 <cjdelisle> eur
888 2011-07-21 14:23:32 <cjdelisle> o
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891 2011-07-21 14:25:45 <erus`> Joric: i am making a fruit machine in go :D
892 2011-07-21 14:25:51 <erus`> and javascript
893 2011-07-21 14:25:57 <BlueMatt> ...
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895 2011-07-21 14:26:41 <phantomcircuit> a wat
896 2011-07-21 14:27:24 XX01XX has quit (Quit: My god. It's full of 'tards.)
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899 2011-07-21 14:28:28 <Joric> erus`, go is pretty awesome, compiled into a native code
900 2011-07-21 14:28:28 <upb> phantomcircuit: have you tried propel?
901 2011-07-21 14:28:36 <upb> i remember it was pretty good
902 2011-07-21 14:28:56 <upb> definitely better than using none at all :)
903 2011-07-21 14:29:51 <Joric> i've tried to launch a few java miners on google servers, was getting share a day from each, go probably can do more :)
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905 2011-07-21 14:30:45 <erus`> how much it cost you?
906 2011-07-21 14:31:01 <erus`> or was that within the allowance?
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908 2011-07-21 14:31:12 <Joric> all withing a free quota
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910 2011-07-21 14:31:30 <erus`> 1 share....
911 2011-07-21 14:31:42 <erus`> doesnt seem worth it :P
912 2011-07-21 14:32:54 <WakiMiko_> i never received my cat money :C
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914 2011-07-21 14:33:31 <Joric> amazon charges $2.10 a hour for a server with two nvidia teslas :)
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916 2011-07-21 14:36:04 <Zagitta> Joric: some guy already tried that and it came out with negative results
917 2011-07-21 14:36:48 <Joric> well, there are teslas
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923 2011-07-21 14:42:36 <cjdelisle> gmaxwell: I looked at your determinent wallet idea once again, I really like it. I think it is provably as hard to break as ECDSA because the private key is never on the machine which generates the string of public keys.
924 2011-07-21 14:43:32 <cjdelisle> Furthermore, I think the proof can be simplified by changing b_secret to a public counter.
925 2011-07-21 14:45:06 <cjdelisle> You may feel safer using a PRNG but if we are to go about writing a proof, it should be written using a public counter since the unpredictability and secrecy if b_secret has nothing to do with the fact that the private key cannot be determined by manipulating the public key.
926 2011-07-21 14:45:39 <Zagitta> WakiMiko_: where can i find the three ip's you added?
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928 2011-07-21 14:46:58 <WakiMiko_> Zagitta: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
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930 2011-07-21 14:47:15 <WakiMiko_> oh looks like that page recently had a major rewrite
931 2011-07-21 14:47:28 <WakiMiko_> and someone added me wtf
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933 2011-07-21 14:49:06 <WakiMiko_> i dunno who added my node but that explains why i have so many incoming connections
934 2011-07-21 14:49:12 <Zagitta_> wtf @ random bsod
935 2011-07-21 14:50:43 <Zagitta_> WakiMiko_: mind repeating yourself? computer crashed randomly :3
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937 2011-07-21 14:51:33 <WakiMiko_> < WakiMiko_> Zagitta: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
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939 2011-07-21 14:51:33 <WakiMiko_> < WakiMiko_> oh looks like that page recently had a major rewrite
940 2011-07-21 14:51:33 <WakiMiko_> < WakiMiko_> and someone added me wtf
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942 2011-07-21 14:51:33 <WakiMiko_> < WakiMiko_> i dunno who added my node but that explains why i have so many incoming connections
943 2011-07-21 14:51:59 <Zagitta_> WakiMiko_: thanks
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947 2011-07-21 14:57:51 <WakiMiko_> looks like someone got wikibot working again, but it removed a lot of valid nodes?
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954 2011-07-21 15:09:40 <WakiMiko> just edited the fallback nodes wiki page, and readded all the notes that got (accidentially?) deleted
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958 2011-07-21 15:09:58 <WakiMiko> argh edit conflict
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962 2011-07-21 15:16:08 <WakiMiko> done. now.
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971 2011-07-21 15:33:20 <erus`> i hate those :P
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983 2011-07-21 15:52:54 <sacarlson> I'm now working on this branch https://github.com/sacarlson/MultiCoin-exp that now has Vince Durham merge mining merged with MultiCoin . just to play around with it. definitly a work in progress
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986 2011-07-21 15:53:52 <nameless> hi
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990 2011-07-21 15:56:05 <sacarlson> my first test at least some of the original functions are still working of send and recieve on weedsnet but haven't figured out how to setup a proto merge mined net yet
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992 2011-07-21 15:57:40 <warpi> hello! does anyone know what difference it matters if a currency is "legal tender" or not. i really dont seem to get this
993 2011-07-21 15:57:59 <warpi> difference it makes*
994 2011-07-21 15:58:01 <luke-jr> warpi: legal tender = debtors have to accept it by law
995 2011-07-21 15:58:16 <warpi> luke-jr, but this is the part i dont understand
996 2011-07-21 15:58:18 <luke-jr> warpi: if you owe someone money, they *can't* say no to cash
997 2011-07-21 15:58:28 <warpi> when i borrow bitcoins from someone
998 2011-07-21 15:58:36 <BlueMatt> well you can, but if you sue, the court will make you pay in usd/etc
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1000 2011-07-21 15:59:21 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: dunno, if you refuse cash they might just say you declined payment and are at fault
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1002 2011-07-21 15:59:39 <BlueMatt> well maybe that too
1003 2011-07-21 15:59:42 <luke-jr> I almost tested that once
1004 2011-07-21 15:59:43 <warpi> if i borrow bitcoins from lets say a bank. of course it would say in the contact, that i would be able to repay the bitcoins.... correct?
1005 2011-07-21 15:59:57 <luke-jr> paid rent in cash, they claimed to not accept cash and sued us
1006 2011-07-21 15:59:58 <cjdelisle> It's kind of a nonpoint since you can say you accept 1btc or 1 million usd
1007 2011-07-21 16:00:07 <luke-jr> of course, in that case, they still had our cash, soâ¦
1008 2011-07-21 16:00:12 <sacarlson> warpi: luke-jr: BlueMatt: I never thought of that, but I guess it's all part of how the contract was written that the parties accept as payment
1009 2011-07-21 16:00:27 <warpi> sacarlson, yepp...
1010 2011-07-21 16:00:38 <warpi> but always when you borrow money, you have a contact
1011 2011-07-21 16:00:39 <warpi> so....
1012 2011-07-21 16:00:49 <warpi> i still dont get the idea with legal tender
1013 2011-07-21 16:00:49 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: it's a point mainly when the court is involved
1014 2011-07-21 16:01:10 <luke-jr> ie, damages in a civil lawsuit will likely be given an exact $ figure
1015 2011-07-21 16:01:47 <sacarlson> warpi: well even if the court is involved weather it be chickens or eggs or bitcoin makes no difference
1016 2011-07-21 16:02:06 <warpi> sacarlson, thats my point. so....
1017 2011-07-21 16:02:13 <warpi> who cares about legal tender?
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1019 2011-07-21 16:02:41 <sacarlson> warpi: well it may not be a legal tender but it could be considered a comodity
1020 2011-07-21 16:02:44 <warpi> since this article is completely ruling bitcoins out because... its not legal tender
1021 2011-07-21 16:02:44 <warpi> http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts-and-life/life/sci_tech/125900603.html
1022 2011-07-21 16:02:57 <luke-jr> lol
1023 2011-07-21 16:03:19 <luke-jr> warpi: also, taxes must be paid in legal tender
1024 2011-07-21 16:03:25 <warpi> they are so fucked up... its like they think legal tender is what makes the money value or something... i dont get it
1025 2011-07-21 16:03:26 <luke-jr> so legal tender *always* has *some* value
1026 2011-07-21 16:03:41 <warpi> luke-jr, but... they can just increase of decrease the tax value so...
1027 2011-07-21 16:03:45 <warpi> what value is it then?
1028 2011-07-21 16:03:47 <luke-jr> well, if everyone has to accept it as payment, and everyone has to pay taxes in itâ¦
1029 2011-07-21 16:04:05 <luke-jr> warpi: the difference is that Bitcoins have *no* value at all
1030 2011-07-21 16:04:12 <luke-jr> it's a flawed argument, but it is an argument
1031 2011-07-21 16:04:20 <warpi> i dont get it
1032 2011-07-21 16:04:25 <warpi> value = supply / demand
1033 2011-07-21 16:04:31 <warpi> and it applies for usd aswell
1034 2011-07-21 16:04:39 <luke-jr> but demand for legal tender is guaranteed
1035 2011-07-21 16:04:42 <warpi> there is nothing else that creates value
1036 2011-07-21 16:04:50 <luke-jr> demand for Bitcoin can disappear overnight
1037 2011-07-21 16:04:51 <sacarlson> luke-jr: not there are legal tender that are not worth the paper they are printed on and then there other things that could be considered comodities like oil or bitcoins
1038 2011-07-21 16:05:40 <warpi> luke-jr, if the demand of usd decreases, it dosent matter if it is legal tender... it will be less worth
1039 2011-07-21 16:05:56 <warpi> the government will just increase taxes to make up for the loss of value
1040 2011-07-21 16:05:59 <sacarlson> luke-jr: ya same with oil when we find fusion to be cheaper but today it's this value
1041 2011-07-21 16:06:06 <luke-jr> warpi: yep
1042 2011-07-21 16:06:18 <warpi> luke-jr, so.. what is then the point of legal tender?
1043 2011-07-21 16:06:30 <luke-jr> I already explained
1044 2011-07-21 16:06:39 <warpi> yepp... but there is basicly no point then
1045 2011-07-21 16:07:30 <sacarlson> warpi: legal tendar I guess are valueless entites that we have set aside to hold value
1046 2011-07-21 16:07:32 <warpi> basicly, it has nothing to do with "legal tender" to do... what it has to do is,,, who is accepting the currency and who is not
1047 2011-07-21 16:07:33 <gribble> Error: "," is not a valid command.
1048 2011-07-21 16:07:52 <warpi> sacarlson, exactly
1049 2011-07-21 16:08:38 <warpi> sorry for my shitty english... i have a fever :(
1050 2011-07-21 16:09:32 <luke-jr> warpi: and everyone is accepting legal tender
1051 2011-07-21 16:09:45 <sacarlson> were as I see bitcoin in this present market as more of a comodity
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1053 2011-07-21 16:11:37 <sacarlson> luke-jr: I'm not sure about everyone and every currency but... Thai Baht still buys beer and girls
1054 2011-07-21 16:12:10 <sacarlson> and what more does a man need?
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1056 2011-07-21 16:13:14 <warpi> luke-jr, sacarlson. ok... so... people have to use the money... but still, they can set what price they want etc... so
1057 2011-07-21 16:13:53 <sacarlson> warpi: there are other system of barter money has not always been needed
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1059 2011-07-21 16:15:03 <sacarlson> warpi: they just found it easier to find a central point of value in currency or central comodity
1060 2011-07-21 16:15:04 <luke-jr> sacarlson: I make my own girls
1061 2011-07-21 16:15:31 <sacarlson> luke-jr: those blow up kind?
1062 2011-07-21 16:15:36 <luke-jr> no
1063 2011-07-21 16:15:51 <luke-jr> the real kind
1064 2011-07-21 16:16:08 <sacarlson> luke-jr: make them out of what? wood?
1065 2011-07-21 16:16:10 <b4epoche> Weird Science
1066 2011-07-21 16:16:24 <luke-jr> sacarlson: sperm and egg
1067 2011-07-21 16:16:44 <sacarlson> luke-jr: those are expesive to farm humans
1068 2011-07-21 16:16:54 <luke-jr> nah
1069 2011-07-21 16:17:05 <sacarlson> you have to feed them educated them, cloth them....
1070 2011-07-21 16:17:12 <luke-jr> not expensive
1071 2011-07-21 16:17:47 <sacarlson> I think you can google the cost of pruduction of a human as over 50k by the age of 20 years
1072 2011-07-21 16:18:14 <luke-jr> that's pretty cheap
1073 2011-07-21 16:18:17 <b4epoche> depends on the type of human you want to produce
1074 2011-07-21 16:18:35 <luke-jr> considering the last 5-8 years of that is basically profitable
1075 2011-07-21 16:18:40 <sacarlson> luke-jr and you call that inexpesive?
1076 2011-07-21 16:18:47 <luke-jr> sacarlson: yes
1077 2011-07-21 16:18:54 <luke-jr> 50k/20y isn't that much
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1079 2011-07-21 16:19:03 <luke-jr> that's 2.5k/y
1080 2011-07-21 16:19:13 <luke-jr> 208/mo
1081 2011-07-21 16:19:16 <sacarlson> luke-jr: were does the profits start after this 50k investment?
1082 2011-07-21 16:19:36 <luke-jr> sacarlson: oh right, we were talking girls
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1084 2011-07-21 16:19:45 <sacarlson> cheaper to buy the on the market for less than 3K
1085 2011-07-21 16:19:59 <luke-jr> sacarlson: still have to feed/etc after you adopt
1086 2011-07-21 16:20:02 <b4epoche> and $50k probably means that kid will be fat and lazy and only able to have a career as a video game tester
1087 2011-07-21 16:20:10 <luke-jr> and if they've been misraised, it's more work
1088 2011-07-21 16:20:19 <b4epoche> $25k will probably get you a lean, hard worker
1089 2011-07-21 16:20:22 <luke-jr> b4epoche: yeah, that's probably a high estimate
1090 2011-07-21 16:20:52 <sacarlson> luke-jr: well you get them already at 17 at that price already feed just need to add close and education
1091 2011-07-21 16:21:16 <luke-jr> sacarlson: yeah, but all the 17 year olds for sale are likely to be screwed up
1092 2011-07-21 16:21:37 <sacarlson> luke-jr: well you have to be a careful shoper
1093 2011-07-21 16:22:28 <sacarlson> luke-jr: and not pay full payment, progress payments to be sure of quality before you put more in
1094 2011-07-21 16:22:56 <b4epoche> or just get a lease
1095 2011-07-21 16:23:06 <sacarlson> standard biz practicees
1096 2011-07-21 16:23:10 <b4epoche> or lease-to-own
1097 2011-07-21 16:23:31 <sacarlson> b4epoche: yes I'm more into the long term lease program
1098 2011-07-21 16:23:34 <luke-jr> sacarlson: the point is that any human raised right isn't for sale :P
1099 2011-07-21 16:23:55 * b4epoche sells himself out every day
1100 2011-07-21 16:24:28 <sacarlson> b4epoche: ya we all sell ourself our our services
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1108 2011-07-21 16:53:35 <nameless> What is the BITCOIN_ADDRESS_VERSION set to for the testnet ?
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1111 2011-07-21 16:59:56 <nanotube> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#Addresses
1112 2011-07-21 16:59:58 <nanotube> nameless: ^
1113 2011-07-21 17:00:42 <copumpkin> do btc addresses have some sort of checksum in them
1114 2011-07-21 17:00:48 <copumpkin> to prevent typos and lost money?
1115 2011-07-21 17:01:07 <mtrlt> yes
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1117 2011-07-21 17:20:34 <nanotube> copumpkin: that link i posted for nameless gives you that info as well. ;)
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1121 2011-07-21 17:26:43 <nameless> nanotube: Thanx.
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1132 2011-07-21 17:39:08 <b4epoche> BlueMatt: you need anything else with the Cocoa UI?
1133 2011-07-21 17:39:43 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: no, Im hopefully gonna give it a good looking over sometime tomorrow and see what does/doesnt need done for merge
1134 2011-07-21 17:39:50 <BlueMatt> (aside from encryption additions)
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1136 2011-07-21 17:39:55 <BlueMatt> hell, maybe we can get it in for 0.4
1137 2011-07-21 17:40:01 <b4epoche> okay⦠just let me know
1138 2011-07-21 17:40:02 <BlueMatt> though it might be a 0.4.1 thing
1139 2011-07-21 17:40:25 <BlueMatt> well just needs the encryption popup dialogs for now
1140 2011-07-21 17:41:00 <b4epoche> yea, that's already pretty much implemented in the "Trader" version for exchange login so that should be easy on my end
1141 2011-07-21 17:41:17 <BlueMatt> ok, good to hear
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1144 2011-07-21 17:44:22 <nameless> Hello. I've started my bitcoin client with "-testnet" and now my question is how I can get to get some money into my account balance? Can you help me out on this or do I need to generate bc:s ?
1145 2011-07-21 17:47:04 <copumpkin> nanotube: reading rots the brain. I try to avoid it
1146 2011-07-21 17:47:40 <b4epoche> and you work for a publisher?
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1148 2011-07-21 17:51:13 <dsockwell> nameless: for testnet, it's easy to generate if you have a GPU, or you can betg
1149 2011-07-21 17:51:16 <dsockwell> beg
1150 2011-07-21 17:52:52 <AndyBr> nameless: it's better to use testnet-in-a-box or what it's called, because clearing a transaction on testnet takes like 3 hours
1151 2011-07-21 17:53:17 <dsockwell> yeah it is pretty slow
1152 2011-07-21 17:54:00 <AndyBr> dsockwell: i have another testnet set up which is pretty easy to join if you want
1153 2011-07-21 17:55:59 <dsockwell> i might take you up on that
1154 2011-07-21 17:56:01 <dsockwell> details?
1155 2011-07-21 17:57:00 <nameless> hmm... ok...
1156 2011-07-21 17:58:06 <nameless> I'm developing "uc_bitcoin" at the moment.
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1158 2011-07-21 17:59:35 <nameless> Its a payment method for drupal and it currently works in general. However now I need to perform "real" transactions to get going with some of the issues. Thats why I need to get a testnet up and running.
1159 2011-07-21 18:00:35 <nameless> https://github.com/erik78se/uc_bitcoin
1160 2011-07-21 18:00:41 <AndyBr> nameless: want to join my net? :D
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1162 2011-07-21 18:01:02 <nameless> AndyBr: Well, it depends if it helps me developing.
1163 2011-07-21 18:01:28 <AlonzoTG> Are there any C++ IDEs for linux which don't suck balls these days?
1164 2011-07-21 18:01:31 <nameless> It would be good if a transaction validation wont take 3 hours
1165 2011-07-21 18:01:34 <AndyBr> lol alonzo
1166 2011-07-21 18:01:40 <AndyBr> nameless: it's a few seconds usually
1167 2011-07-21 18:01:57 <nameless> AlonzoTG: Eclipse with addons ?
1168 2011-07-21 18:01:59 <AlonzoTG> Kdevelop, WAS pretty good, but isn't now and probably won't be for many years.
1169 2011-07-21 18:02:00 <nameless> I use it
1170 2011-07-21 18:02:57 <nameless> There is some pretty good addon for eclipse you might try out. Eclipse is rather good imo.
1171 2011-07-21 18:03:21 <nameless> AndryBr: So how do I join your net to test ?
1172 2011-07-21 18:03:45 <cjdelisle> I find gedit does everything I need. Syntax highlighting *and* variable width tabing with spaces in place of tabs.
1173 2011-07-21 18:04:01 <nameless> jeeses
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1175 2011-07-21 18:04:54 <dsockwell> AlonzoTG: vim
1176 2011-07-21 18:05:08 <AlonzoTG> ur nuts.
1177 2011-07-21 18:05:09 <dsockwell> good highlighting, regexes
1178 2011-07-21 18:05:27 <AlonzoTG> vim perfected the art of the digital lobotomy.
1179 2011-07-21 18:05:40 <dsockwell> what does that even mean
1180 2011-07-21 18:06:03 <AlonzoTG> it overwrites substantial portions of your brain with memorized key-combinations.
1181 2011-07-21 18:06:14 <cjdelisle> the only command I know in vim is: esc : esc esc esc esc esc : wq! \n
1182 2011-07-21 18:06:14 <AlonzoTG> thereby reducing your total IQ
1183 2011-07-21 18:06:22 <dsockwell> i prefer to call it muscle memory
1184 2011-07-21 18:07:35 <dsockwell> and if some basic keystrokes constitute a substantial portion of your brain, maybe you do need visual studio
1185 2011-07-21 18:08:03 <AndyBr> i use visual studio for everything *harp*
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1187 2011-07-21 18:10:25 <cjdelisle> IDEs are usually like "let me get that for you" but to me it comes across as "you're too dumb to do that so I'll do it" it's insulting when they're right not to mention when they're wrong.
1188 2011-07-21 18:11:13 <AlonzoTG> oh well, it saves time, especially when maintaining a standard format across an entire project.
1189 2011-07-21 18:11:20 <AndyBr> tbh i could never write C# without VS because there's so much syntax i don't have memorized
1190 2011-07-21 18:11:28 <AndyBr> Alonzo: all my code is 100% stylecop =)
1191 2011-07-21 18:11:32 <b4epoche> gmaxwell: you around?
1192 2011-07-21 18:11:47 <gmaxwell> b4epoche: halfwaykind. Busy with journalists now.
1193 2011-07-21 18:12:30 <b4epoche> well, now I'm curious⦠but I am getting a list of 14k IP addresses (from 93 countries) used for that ddos.
1194 2011-07-21 18:12:34 <b4epoche> You want it?
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1197 2011-07-21 18:13:46 <AndyBr> ddos?
1198 2011-07-21 18:14:12 <cjdelisle> b4epoche: someone like team cymmru might find that kind of info interesting.
1199 2011-07-21 18:14:25 <b4epoche> some dude here (but now banned) used 14k computers and 13 Gbps to shut down psu.edu for an hour last Friday
1200 2011-07-21 18:14:43 <b4epoche> cjdelisle: team cymmru?
1201 2011-07-21 18:15:04 <b4epoche> gmaxwell: ^^
1202 2011-07-21 18:15:06 <cjdelisle> yea they're a security research team, they keep track of botnets and stuff
1203 2011-07-21 18:15:18 <gmaxwell> b4epoche: Yes.
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1205 2011-07-21 18:15:55 <gmaxwell> As mentioned, I'd like to see if the same drones appear to be connecting to bitcoin. Though if I find they are I'm not sure what I'd do next with the info.
1206 2011-07-21 18:16:04 <b4epoche> dropbox?
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1212 2011-07-21 18:16:50 <gmaxwell> b4epoche: re, journalists: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6554331
1213 2011-07-21 18:17:17 <gmaxwell> b4epoche: Just email them to me or something gmaxwell@gmail.com
1214 2011-07-21 18:17:26 <b4epoche> oh, nice. I guess you've followed the MIT/JSTOR stuff
1215 2011-07-21 18:17:29 <AndyBr> nice
1216 2011-07-21 18:17:52 <b4epoche> gmaxwell: sent
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1220 2011-07-21 18:18:36 <AndyBr> gmaxwell: well done, good sir. science to the people
1221 2011-07-21 18:18:41 * cjdelisle tips hat
1222 2011-07-21 18:18:52 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: nice
1223 2011-07-21 18:19:19 <BlueMatt> 32GB of JSTOR stuff, nice...
1224 2011-07-21 18:19:28 <RBecker> ;;eauth RBecker
1225 2011-07-21 18:19:29 <gribble> Request successful for user RBecker, hostmask RBecker!~Ryan@unaffiliated/rbecker. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8B2731A00F23E23F
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1227 2011-07-21 18:19:38 <cjdelisle> Anyone who releases papers is a hero in my opinion.
1228 2011-07-21 18:19:38 * b4epoche scraped a ton of data from publications for: http://www.youtube.com/user/emockensturm?feature=mhee#p/u/7/tg8LwJuLIxo
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1230 2011-07-21 18:20:14 <RBecker> ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a49d9ce96abc56fa3e6607829e4b01ff8c9fbe9941932e07637ecccc
1231 2011-07-21 18:20:14 <gribble> You are now authenticated for user 'RBecker' with key 8B2731A00F23E23F
1232 2011-07-21 18:20:16 <RBecker> ;;voiceme
1233 2011-07-21 18:20:23 * b4epoche has had four proposals to the National Science Foundation to create an open access, community run repository rejected.
1234 2011-07-21 18:20:28 <BlueMatt> RBecker: can you do that outside of the chan
1235 2011-07-21 18:20:33 <BlueMatt> RBecker: please dont spam us
1236 2011-07-21 18:20:52 <RBecker> that's hardly spam
1237 2011-07-21 18:21:09 <BlueMatt> RBecker: it only applies to you and takes many lines...its spam
1238 2011-07-21 18:21:13 <b4epoche> but the ensuing argument will be
1239 2011-07-21 18:21:28 <RBecker> spam is if I were to flood the same thing multiple times
1240 2011-07-21 18:21:33 * b4epoche is an editor of http://aipadvances.aip.org/ and good friends with the guy in the video on that page
1241 2011-07-21 18:21:54 <cjdelisle> RBecker: /msg gribble can we do this in private?
1242 2011-07-21 18:21:57 <BlueMatt> RBecker: I disagree, but in any case, dont put that in the chan, its easier to do it in private
1243 2011-07-21 18:21:58 <b4epoche> RBecker: regardless, it's clutter
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1245 2011-07-21 18:22:31 <RBecker> I'm not gonna argue this right now
1246 2011-07-21 18:22:54 <BlueMatt> why argue, just do it in private
1247 2011-07-21 18:23:51 <b4epoche> gmaxwell: when you have time, I'm very interested in your discussion of that 'leak'
1248 2011-07-21 18:24:41 <AlonzoTG> =\
1249 2011-07-21 18:24:44 <AlonzoTG> =(
1250 2011-07-21 18:25:40 <AlonzoTG> Looks like, to make any further progress in my re-implementation of bitcoin, I'm going to have to do a ton of reverse-engineering and collect the tiny handful of comments that exist in the code and write a bunch of documentation on how it actually works.
1251 2011-07-21 18:26:27 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: how well do we know IO- ? a DNS seed requires a very high level of trust, because we have so few.
1252 2011-07-21 18:26:47 <b4epoche> AlonzoTG: see the bitcoinj code
1253 2011-07-21 18:27:00 <nameless> !~root@mindjail.subluminal.net|nameless: THIEF!
1254 2011-07-21 18:27:15 <AlonzoTG> hmm
1255 2011-07-21 18:27:20 <gmaxwell> b4epoche: I'm sure you'll find all sorts of crazy misrepresentations in the press in a day or two! :)
1256 2011-07-21 18:28:01 <b4epoche> gmaxwell: that's why I'd like to hear what you know⦠the academic publishing model is so broken.
1257 2011-07-21 18:29:22 <nameless> hehe
1258 2011-07-21 18:29:27 <AlonzoTG> Actually, I'm not sure where to start writing such a document.
1259 2011-07-21 18:29:34 <AlonzoTG> I'm going to need to figure out all the data flows,
1260 2011-07-21 18:29:37 <AlonzoTG> security requirements,
1261 2011-07-21 18:29:41 <AlonzoTG> data formats,
1262 2011-07-21 18:29:44 <AlonzoTG> encryption codes.
1263 2011-07-21 18:29:46 <AlonzoTG> etc...
1264 2011-07-21 18:29:47 <AlonzoTG> =\
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1266 2011-07-21 18:29:52 <b4epoche> the bitcoinj code is /very/ well commented
1267 2011-07-21 18:29:56 <AlonzoTG> no
1268 2011-07-21 18:30:00 <AlonzoTG> oh,
1269 2011-07-21 18:30:02 <AlonzoTG> bitcoinj
1270 2011-07-21 18:30:04 <AlonzoTG> .maybe,
1271 2011-07-21 18:30:07 <AlonzoTG> lemme load it into netbeans.
1272 2011-07-21 18:30:18 <phantomcircuit> b4epoche, yes but only works with 1 peer :P
1273 2011-07-21 18:30:23 <b4epoche> probably more lines of comments than lines of code
1274 2011-07-21 18:30:40 <phantomcircuit> so it strikes me that listtransactions only works with standard transactions
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1276 2011-07-21 18:30:47 <b4epoche> phantomcircuit: that's irrelevant to this discussion
1277 2011-07-21 18:31:09 <AlonzoTG> also, I would like to standardize the terminology to normal accounting terms,
1278 2011-07-21 18:31:26 <AlonzoTG> so instead of "input" and "output" transactions, there are credit and debit accounts respectively.
1279 2011-07-21 18:31:38 <nameless> !~root@mindjail.subluminal.net|nameless: Ever since I joined freenode I've been waiting for your registration to drop so I could grab nameless and stop being a nameless pipe :p
1280 2011-07-21 18:32:03 <phantomcircuit> b4epoche, i just interject randomly
1281 2011-07-21 18:32:09 <phantomcircuit> sometimes my interjections are useful
1282 2011-07-21 18:32:14 * b4epoche applauds AlonzoTG for taking up the challenge
1283 2011-07-21 18:32:50 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, lol you're just going to get confused
1284 2011-07-21 18:32:50 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: I wonder if an output transaction could be negitive?
1285 2011-07-21 18:32:50 * b4epoche wonders why even the new good is so poorly commented/documented
1286 2011-07-21 18:33:08 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, no it cant it's a uint64
1287 2011-07-21 18:33:16 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, you dont have accounts because it's a chain
1288 2011-07-21 18:33:21 <phantomcircuit> input/output is correct
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1290 2011-07-21 18:33:28 <jgarzik> indeed
1291 2011-07-21 18:33:35 <AlonzoTG> You're mixing implementation with concept.
1292 2011-07-21 18:33:47 <AlonzoTG> The user has accounts which track where his money is coming from, where it is, and where it's going.
1293 2011-07-21 18:34:00 <jgarzik> AlonzoTG: you're trying to conflate what isn't there, to fit the model you want
1294 2011-07-21 18:34:14 <AlonzoTG> That is partially correct.
1295 2011-07-21 18:34:18 <phantomcircuit> what jgarzik said
1296 2011-07-21 18:34:34 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, the way bitcoin actually works the idea of accounts is actually pretty meaningless
1297 2011-07-21 18:34:38 <AlonzoTG> I have a good reason for that because for a user to use bitcoins, he needs an accounting system.
1298 2011-07-21 18:34:48 <b4epoche> but from a user perspective, I think it's good to try to make analogies with things they understand.
1299 2011-07-21 18:34:54 <phantomcircuit> if you want an accounting system it should not be in bitcoind
1300 2011-07-21 18:34:59 <AlonzoTG> The user shouldn't be aware of the underlying implementation.
1301 2011-07-21 18:35:11 <b4epoche> phantomcircuit: it's not in bitcoind
1302 2011-07-21 18:35:16 <phantomcircuit> or bitcoinj
1303 2011-07-21 18:35:18 <phantomcircuit> or pycon
1304 2011-07-21 18:35:21 <phantomcircuit> pycoin*
1305 2011-07-21 18:35:24 <phantomcircuit> or bitcoin-alt
1306 2011-07-21 18:35:27 <AlonzoTG> So therefore yes, I have a good reason to force an external representation on an underlying implementation.
1307 2011-07-21 18:35:33 <b4epoche> but the table of tx's the user sees is certainly going to look like an account to him/her
1308 2011-07-21 18:35:40 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: I've always considerd bitcoin software as an open accounting system
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1310 2011-07-21 18:37:33 <AlonzoTG> hmmmmm.
1311 2011-07-21 18:37:43 <AlonzoTG> maybe I'm wrong to force an arbitrary model of accounting on it.
1312 2011-07-21 18:37:47 <AlonzoTG> =\
1313 2011-07-21 18:38:58 <b4epoche> just don't take the analogy too far.
1314 2011-07-21 18:39:48 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: but the transactions can also fall into contractual base that may blur to some accounting standards
1315 2011-07-21 18:39:53 <AlonzoTG> Do I understand things correctly in that there is a huge block chain and a user gains control of his blocks with his private key?
1316 2011-07-21 18:40:45 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: there could be a transaction that requires a sign of many private keys
1317 2011-07-21 18:41:56 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, the standard accounting model works *only* for 100% standard transactions, but there can and almost certainly will be non standard transactions in the future
1318 2011-07-21 18:43:19 <AlonzoTG> ???
1319 2011-07-21 18:43:51 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, from 1 address to 1 address
1320 2011-07-21 18:44:51 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: we will also have 1 address to many address, many address to many address, with different vote signers to determine who get's what
1321 2011-07-21 18:47:18 <AlonzoTG> That's all good,
1322 2011-07-21 18:47:32 <AlonzoTG> As long as credits = debits, it can be fit to the standard model.
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1324 2011-07-21 18:48:39 * b4epoche also does not see how this doesn't fit into a standard accounting model (with maybe a few new tx types)
1325 2011-07-21 18:48:52 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: I'm sure you could create a user interface around it to make it have the words you prefer to call them
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1327 2011-07-21 18:50:42 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: or if your a programer you could also create new functions that call the old ones with new names
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1358 2011-07-21 19:34:10 <becker> http://air.mozilla.org/
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1362 2011-07-21 19:40:03 <nameless> Hmm, I'm wondering what this means to me: http://imgur.com/y0ucB
1363 2011-07-21 19:40:19 <nameless> Can someone explain wtf those transactions means ?
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1365 2011-07-21 19:41:33 <nameless> I'm connected to that olivenet testnet trying to mine some bitcoins. But I dont have a clue
1366 2011-07-21 19:41:47 <nameless> .. if I'm going to have to wait forever or what
1367 2011-07-21 19:41:53 <Zagitta> nameless: it means you've found 3 blocks and will recieve then once 120 other blocks have been found
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1369 2011-07-21 19:42:02 <Zagitta> *them
1370 2011-07-21 19:42:23 <nameless> Once what ?
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1373 2011-07-21 19:42:53 <nameless> Will I get 50btc once 120 more have been found ?!
1374 2011-07-21 19:42:57 <Zagitta> yes
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1376 2011-07-21 19:43:23 <nameless> Oh, so it means someone else needs to find btc before I get to get mine ?
1377 2011-07-21 19:43:41 <Zagitta> not if you also find the next 120 blocks
1378 2011-07-21 19:43:46 <nameless> ah
1379 2011-07-21 19:44:06 <Zagitta> but those at the end will also need 120 blocks to mature
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1381 2011-07-21 19:44:44 <nameless> aha
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1394 2011-07-21 20:14:52 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: kudos on the paper publishing
1395 2011-07-21 20:16:35 <nameless> link
1396 2011-07-21 20:17:01 <coderrr> ditto
1397 2011-07-21 20:17:17 <coderrr> nameless, http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6554331/Papers_from_Philosophical_Transactions_of_the_Royal_Society__fro
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1402 2011-07-21 20:20:32 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: ya someone at work sent me the link cause we were talking about it at lunch, i got down to the bottom and was like "whoa, wait a second" ;p
1403 2011-07-21 20:21:13 <nameless> !~root@mindjail.subluminal.net|This could get annoying
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1405 2011-07-21 20:26:03 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: wish you'd used trackerless torrent, though :(
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1407 2011-07-21 20:30:50 <BlueMatt> <jgarzik> BlueMatt: how well do we know IO- ? a DNS seed requires a very high level of trust, because we have so few. <-- I have audit root-access to the vm it runs on
1408 2011-07-21 20:31:11 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: doesn't really answer the question...
1409 2011-07-21 20:31:18 <parserk> is it possible to make bitcoin transactions between two parties disconnected from the network?
1410 2011-07-21 20:31:29 <parserk> like cash on the street corner
1411 2011-07-21 20:32:05 <jrmithdobbs> not safely no
1412 2011-07-21 20:33:07 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: since the torrent is public, clients are supposted to be smart enough to work that out on their own. Or so people at the pirate bay tell me.
1413 2011-07-21 20:33:17 <parserk> jrmithdobbs: ok thanks
1414 2011-07-21 20:34:01 <jrmithdobbs> transmission.app will anyways
1415 2011-07-21 20:34:14 <diki> forum is loading veeery slowly
1416 2011-07-21 20:34:17 <jrmithdobbs> so long as you're not using an ancient client it should work fine
1417 2011-07-21 20:34:21 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: it works, but it takes longer to find peers, and we pound ceaselessly on a tracker that doesn't like us
1418 2011-07-21 20:34:23 <jrmithdobbs> diki: noone in here cares about the forum
1419 2011-07-21 20:34:39 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: not a big deal, just something to think about in the future. trackerless torrents work just fine.
1420 2011-07-21 20:34:40 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: you can tell your client to ignore the tracker
1421 2011-07-21 20:34:51 <diki> why not?
1422 2011-07-21 20:34:58 <jrmithdobbs> diki: because they're a cesspool
1423 2011-07-21 20:35:05 <diki> cesspool?
1424 2011-07-21 20:35:08 <diki> lolwut?
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1427 2011-07-21 20:37:15 <Eliel> gmaxwell: very brave move there. I'm happy you did it.
1428 2011-07-21 20:37:35 <mtrlt> likewise. downloading :-)
1429 2011-07-21 20:38:21 <parserk> this may be asked to death, im sorry if it is... anyway, is it impossible to make transactions take less than 10 minutes to be confirmed? it's rather disadvatageous for "cash" payments like buying an ice cream on the street :(
1430 2011-07-21 20:38:33 <diki> blocks
1431 2011-07-21 20:38:37 <diki> solving blocks = faster tx
1432 2011-07-21 20:38:54 <diki> the faster a block is solved, the faster a tx is confirmed
1433 2011-07-21 20:38:58 <parserk> i see
1434 2011-07-21 20:39:01 <nanotube> parserk: for small tx, you could safely take unconfirmed transactions.
1435 2011-07-21 20:39:05 <Evious> You could move your trust to some 3rd party for those transactions.
1436 2011-07-21 20:39:24 <nanotube> parserk: since doublespending is not an easy thing to do, and one would not expect someone to make the effort for a piddling amount.
1437 2011-07-21 20:39:33 <mtrlt> nanotube: unless nodes start forgetting less-important unverified transactions
1438 2011-07-21 20:39:47 <nanotube> mtrlt: that is not the case yet.
1439 2011-07-21 20:39:54 <nanotube> and no guarantees that it ever will be. :)
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1441 2011-07-21 20:40:03 <mtrlt> no guarantee the other way either :P
1442 2011-07-21 20:40:08 <nanotube> at any rate, /your/ node will rebroadcast the tx until it is in a block
1443 2011-07-21 20:40:18 <nanotube> so even if nodes clean their buffers, your node will be sure to rebroadcast it.
1444 2011-07-21 20:40:33 <Zagitta> linux noob: How would i go around telling this makefile: https://github.com/samr7/vanitygen/blob/master/Makefile where my openCL libs are placed?
1445 2011-07-21 20:40:35 <mtrlt> but if i hack my node to not do that?
1446 2011-07-21 20:40:52 <mtrlt> then any payment receiver will have to wait for confirmations. or use a third party.
1447 2011-07-21 20:41:20 <nanotube> mtrlt: not just the sender rebroadcasts. receiver also.
1448 2011-07-21 20:41:28 <mtrlt> hmm
1449 2011-07-21 20:41:34 <nanotube> so you'd have to hack the receiver's node too :)
1450 2011-07-21 20:41:36 <mtrlt> yea i didn't think of that :p
1451 2011-07-21 20:41:42 <mtrlt> you're right, it works
1452 2011-07-21 20:41:49 <nanotube> and while you're at it, forget about the doublespend, and just take all their coins :)
1453 2011-07-21 20:41:59 <mtrlt> yeah :D
1454 2011-07-21 20:42:12 <nanotube> hehe
1455 2011-07-21 20:42:39 <parserk> ill just be lurking this out, since i dont understand it very well, gotta read up on it ^^
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1458 2011-07-21 20:46:16 <Evious> What happens if a government attacks the IRC servers used as entry points to the network?
1459 2011-07-21 20:47:04 <glassresistor> Evious: man are people still having this convo
1460 2011-07-21 20:47:12 <Evious> I didn't see it before =)
1461 2011-07-21 20:47:30 <glassresistor> there are multiple points of entry and worst case you can use whisper channels and sneaker nets
1462 2011-07-21 20:47:41 <D0han> Evious: nothing, we have dns seeds
1463 2011-07-21 20:47:48 <glassresistor> Evious: past year my friend first 10 questions everyone askes
1464 2011-07-21 20:48:10 <glassresistor> and yeah we all cache ips
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1466 2011-07-21 20:50:31 <enquirer> wasn't 3.24 supposed to fix the block chain not downloading problem?
1467 2011-07-21 20:50:51 <D0han> yes, it was
1468 2011-07-21 20:51:27 <enquirer> it's even worse now (
1469 2011-07-21 20:52:17 <enquirer> i have 8 connections, one of them version 32400, others 32300 and 32100
1470 2011-07-21 20:52:39 <jgarzik> enquirer: what specific problems are you seeing? the block chain download problem is fixed when the majority of nodes have upgraded to 0.3.24. so it matters who you are downloading from, not what version you're running.
1471 2011-07-21 20:52:59 <jgarzik> enquirer: sounds like you have some problem with incoming connections
1472 2011-07-21 20:53:00 <enquirer> getting 14 (fourteen) blocks after 20 minutes
1473 2011-07-21 20:53:11 <jgarzik> enquirer: try port forwarding or -upnp
1474 2011-07-21 20:53:37 <Zagitta> oclvanitygen.c:30:19: fatal error: CL/cl.h: No such file or directory
1475 2011-07-21 20:53:39 <Zagitta> fuuu
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1477 2011-07-21 20:54:56 <mtrlt> mmmm.. opencl address generation
1478 2011-07-21 20:55:18 <cjdelisle> hehe
1479 2011-07-21 20:55:22 <Zagitta> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=25804.0
1480 2011-07-21 20:57:05 <enquirer> well i'm behind ISP nat, but somehow emule has no problem establishing connections
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1482 2011-07-21 20:58:44 <enquirer> seems like nobody wants to upgrade - all my connections are earlier versions
1483 2011-07-21 20:59:18 <Zagitta> enquirer: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
1484 2011-07-21 20:59:27 <D0han> add node with new version
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1487 2011-07-21 21:03:16 <enquirer> heh i used some addresses from that page but they were probably flooded and taken offline since then
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1493 2011-07-21 21:07:21 <enquirer> ok it works faster now thanks to MagicalTux's node )
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1495 2011-07-21 21:09:17 <enquirer> indication of how many blocks remained to download would be nice, maybe a progress bar ...
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1499 2011-07-21 21:12:12 <enquirer> no, it's stuck at 137100, let's see if restart will help
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1501 2011-07-21 21:16:23 <D0han> you can download chain on torrents
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1504 2011-07-21 21:19:27 <Zagitta> enquirer: you're missing about 300 blocks
1505 2011-07-21 21:20:42 <diki> zagitta
1506 2011-07-21 21:20:52 <diki> i had to add the full path in the .h files
1507 2011-07-21 21:23:53 <Zagitta> diki: i tried that but then the headers just complain: /var/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/include/CL/cl.h:32:28: fatal error: CL/cl_platform.h: No such file or directory
1508 2011-07-21 21:24:13 <diki> i changed even those .h files
1509 2011-07-21 21:24:19 <diki> and everything compiled afterwards
1510 2011-07-21 21:24:33 <diki> but when did vanity gen start supporting opencL?
1511 2011-07-21 21:24:36 <Zagitta> lol, i was thinking about doing that but it's such an ugly solution D:
1512 2011-07-21 21:24:44 <Zagitta> recently
1513 2011-07-21 21:24:54 <diki> does it, or is it still "in progress"?
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1515 2011-07-21 21:26:40 <diki> can you provide me with a link to vanitygencl?
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1517 2011-07-21 21:30:23 <Zagitta> https://github.com/samr7/vanitygen
1518 2011-07-21 21:30:48 <Zagitta> it's still in progress afaik
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1520 2011-07-21 21:33:04 <phantomcircuit> Zagitta, it works
1521 2011-07-21 21:33:26 <_W_> gmaxwell, assuming it's the same guy; bloody well done on releasing those journals!
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1523 2011-07-21 21:33:46 <Zagitta> phantomcirc: yeah but by work in progress i thought we were talking about preformance?
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1525 2011-07-21 21:34:14 <Evious> gmaxwell, aye, and I love the idea of linking them to something like Wikipedia.
1526 2011-07-21 21:34:32 <Evious> Going to buy a new harddrive just so I can download 'em today :)
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1528 2011-07-21 21:37:12 <TuxBlackEdo> how can i maximize my fees that i get per block?
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1530 2011-07-21 21:38:46 <Eliel> TuxBlackEdo: make sure your node takes every transaction with a fee into the block.
1531 2011-07-21 21:39:04 <da2ce7> is there a mod so bitcoind dosn't automaticaly add transaction fees?
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1533 2011-07-21 21:39:30 <TuxBlackEdo> and how can i filter out free transactions?
1534 2011-07-21 21:40:01 <WakiMiko> TuxBlackEdo: you make a tx with a HUGE fee, but never broadcast it, so only your miner knows about it. than you hash it into a block.
1535 2011-07-21 21:40:36 <TuxBlackEdo> i am going to try to decode what you just said
1536 2011-07-21 21:40:43 <WakiMiko> dont better its a joke
1537 2011-07-21 21:40:47 <WakiMiko> *bother
1538 2011-07-21 21:40:52 <TuxBlackEdo> haha
1539 2011-07-21 21:41:01 <TuxBlackEdo> i am slow -_-
1540 2011-07-21 21:41:45 <TuxBlackEdo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RgN9ijwE4
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1547 2011-07-21 21:58:16 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
1548 2011-07-21 21:58:16 <gribble> 137396
1549 2011-07-21 21:58:43 <jgarzik> da2ce7: no mod, just -paytxfee=0
1550 2011-07-21 21:58:55 <diki> trust me, pay fees
1551 2011-07-21 21:59:07 <diki> unless you want sometimes the tx to be unconfirmed for months
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1553 2011-07-21 22:00:43 * prof7bit finished implementing DNS bootstrap and address db
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1556 2011-07-21 22:01:19 <SerajewelKS> jgarzik: hey, i'm continuing da2ce7's conversation
1557 2011-07-21 22:01:25 <lfm> and it will still add fees for some things even if you say --paytxfee=0
1558 2011-07-21 22:01:26 <SerajewelKS> (which i missed most of)
1559 2011-07-21 22:01:54 <SerajewelKS> jgarzik: i have paytxfee=0 and when i created this txn (http://blockexplorer.com/tx/15913011a9242d994557a1a2eb84502f799cff5b0aa04f966c4d5623f5c7e21e) bitcoind slapped a 0.0005 BTC fee on without telling me
1560 2011-07-21 22:02:03 <SerajewelKS> this is a serious complication for wallet providers
1561 2011-07-21 22:02:22 <SerajewelKS> if fees can't be anticipated, they can't be clearly communicated to end users
1562 2011-07-21 22:02:57 <b4epoche> just tell them there /might/ be a fee ;-)
1563 2011-07-21 22:03:07 <SerajewelKS> b4epoche: that's not enough
1564 2011-07-21 22:03:11 <lfm> basiclly fees cant be antisipated
1565 2011-07-21 22:03:16 <SerajewelKS> since we can't determine the fee before we send
1566 2011-07-21 22:03:24 * prof7bit 2751 lines so far, p2p protocol almost finished.
1567 2011-07-21 22:03:38 <SerajewelKS> if they have a 10 BTC balance and they withdraw 10 BTC, and a 0.0005 BTC fee is added, we can't "take back" the transaction
1568 2011-07-21 22:03:52 <SerajewelKS> so what do we do now, give them a 0.0005 BTC negative balance?
1569 2011-07-21 22:03:52 <b4epoche> prof7bit: why should we care about this?
1570 2011-07-21 22:04:15 <lfm> prof7bit: is proud of spewing code
1571 2011-07-21 22:04:21 <prof7bit> who is we? pluralis maestatis?
1572 2011-07-21 22:04:35 <b4epoche> prof7bit: anyone but you
1573 2011-07-21 22:04:44 <SerajewelKS> jgarzik: basically, without a mechanism to ask "would this require a fee," wallet providers are stuck with a difficult problem
1574 2011-07-21 22:04:46 <b4epoche> SerajewelKS: why not assume there will always be a fee
1575 2011-07-21 22:04:59 <SerajewelKS> b4epoche: of how much?
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1577 2011-07-21 22:05:08 <_W_> if I wrote/modded a miner to only include free transactions, would this be a very bad thing?
1578 2011-07-21 22:05:09 <SerajewelKS> what about when the fee structure changes in the future?
1579 2011-07-21 22:05:40 <prof7bit> i doubt my 3 remarks i make per day are significant among all this noise in this channel.
1580 2011-07-21 22:05:44 <b4epoche> SerajewelKS: just mod the code for your needs
1581 2011-07-21 22:05:52 <lfm> the fee structure changes from minute to minute depending on traffic levels
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1583 2011-07-21 22:06:04 <da2ce7> b4epoche, that isn't the most usefull sugestion.
1584 2011-07-21 22:06:15 <SerajewelKS> b4epoche: this is a common problem though, it can probably be solved in a common way
1585 2011-07-21 22:06:16 <b4epoche> prof7bit: that question was half serious
1586 2011-07-21 22:06:19 <_W_> the truth is we just need more clients
1587 2011-07-21 22:06:26 <SerajewelKS> the primary problem is that bitcoind will add in fees *without telling you*
1588 2011-07-21 22:06:38 <SerajewelKS> which is a HUGE problem for predictive accounting
1589 2011-07-21 22:06:45 <prof7bit> and others even spam their every commit into this channel with bots. i don't do this.
1590 2011-07-21 22:07:06 <b4epoche> prof7bit: I'm serious⦠it wasn't really a slap at you.
1591 2011-07-21 22:07:10 <lfm> prof7bit: good for you
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1593 2011-07-21 22:07:49 <b4epoche> SerajewelKS: you /can/ mod the code⦠to tell you what the fee will be before making tx
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1595 2011-07-21 22:08:18 <SerajewelKS> b4epoche: of course, but i want to make sure that whatever solution i come up with would be acceptable for merging into mainline... e.g. it's not too specific to my needs
1596 2011-07-21 22:08:30 <SerajewelKS> which means that the problem needs to be discussed generally
1597 2011-07-21 22:08:32 <b4epoche> SerajewelKS: or just look at the code that decides if a fee is added and implement that on your end
1598 2011-07-21 22:08:52 <SerajewelKS> b4epoche: i can't implement that on my own end without knowing what coins are available
1599 2011-07-21 22:08:56 <_W_> b4epoche, that will be painful to maintain as the scheme changes
1600 2011-07-21 22:09:24 <b4epoche> SerajewelKS, _W_: I agree, I'm just suggesting solutions in the mean time
1601 2011-07-21 22:09:44 <b4epoche> if you haven't noticed the develop pace is (justifiably) glacial
1602 2011-07-21 22:10:02 <SerajewelKS> suggesting solutions that don't work or are not practical isn't really helpful
1603 2011-07-21 22:10:14 <_W_> b4epoche, would more bounties help?
1604 2011-07-21 22:10:22 <da2ce7> we should make a new 'send' command... That builds in send-many and send into one command. It is a two step command, first it takes in a list of aaddress, and ammount.
1605 2011-07-21 22:10:36 <da2ce7> then it replys with a 'valid, tx fee = 123'
1606 2011-07-21 22:10:44 <lfm> SerajewelKS: you're not the first one to notice this problem you know. It seems the regular developers don't think it is a sigificant problem.
1607 2011-07-21 22:10:46 <b4epoche> SerajewelKS: both those solutions are completely feasible
1608 2011-07-21 22:10:51 <da2ce7> then you need to reply back with 'confimrm' or 'reject'
1609 2011-07-21 22:10:54 <_W_> I mean, if I were to contribute, it would be with my very own client - easier to just put bitcoins to my wishes
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1611 2011-07-21 22:11:17 <b4epoche> SerajewelKS: just look at how bitcoin (with GUI) handles it
1612 2011-07-21 22:11:21 <SerajewelKS> b4epoche: the second solution is not
1613 2011-07-21 22:11:45 <SerajewelKS> b4epoche: the gui can do this because it has access to bitcoind internals. implementing the check in my own application code presumes that i have all of the data bitcoind does.
1614 2011-07-21 22:11:52 <b4epoche> SerajewelKS: why not? it's not like it's some mystery how the fee is determined
1615 2011-07-21 22:12:22 <SerajewelKS> b4epoche: it's not, but the fee is determined from data that my application does not have
1616 2011-07-21 22:12:30 <da2ce7> b4epoche, that is not ration.
1617 2011-07-21 22:12:34 <da2ce7> *rational.
1618 2011-07-21 22:12:41 <lfm> b4epoche: actually it is a mystery to the user. they cannot tell why a certain fee is charged from what is know to the user.
1619 2011-07-21 22:12:55 <b4epoche> lfm: I'm assuming people here are devs
1620 2011-07-21 22:13:18 <b4epoche> da2ce7: what's not rational?
1621 2011-07-21 22:13:34 <lfm> b4epoche: we are talking about more than devs tho. like a program that needs to know what fees will be charged.
1622 2011-07-21 22:13:41 <da2ce7> that a db/ need to keep track of the blockchain.
1623 2011-07-21 22:13:56 <_W_> da2ce7, if a modification is to be made, I would suggest one that just lets you set the fee yourself, and be done with it
1624 2011-07-21 22:14:02 <prof7bit> and I'm releasing it under LGPL with static linking allowance and for suitable also for esoteric and big endian CPUs
1625 2011-07-21 22:14:06 <b4epoche> da2ce7: you could easily keep the necessary information in a db
1626 2011-07-21 22:14:12 <lfm> b4epoche: the "block size" fee is not known to the user for instance.
1627 2011-07-21 22:14:13 <SerajewelKS> the most practical solution i see is the one da2ce7 proposed (similar to the one i was thinking of): you ask to create a transaction, bitcoind tells you the fee it has calculated.
1628 2011-07-21 22:14:29 <SerajewelKS> b4epoche: it's not my application's job to know about the block chain
1629 2011-07-21 22:14:33 <_W_> this politics is just silly, the demand for fee-less transfers is obviously there, and sooner or later it will be met
1630 2011-07-21 22:14:41 <SerajewelKS> b4epoche: you do not understand the separation of concerns and why this is important
1631 2011-07-21 22:14:56 <prof7bit> and mobile devices
1632 2011-07-21 22:15:00 <b4epoche> SerajewelKS: w/e, I seriously doubt it's going to be fixed any time soon.
1633 2011-07-21 22:15:05 <SerajewelKS> my application should not CARE how fees are calculated
1634 2011-07-21 22:15:07 <lfm> _w_ the demand for free gold is obviously there and sooner or later it will be met. huh?
1635 2011-07-21 22:15:34 <_W_> lfm, how much does it cost to alter the code to allow no fees?
1636 2011-07-21 22:15:48 <_W_> a lot less than gold
1637 2011-07-21 22:15:50 <nhodges> it can't be met, if everyone is feeless, after all the coins are mined, there won't be anything distributed to people running their clients, no?
1638 2011-07-21 22:15:53 <lfm> _w_ the cost is spam and it DOES add up.
1639 2011-07-21 22:16:10 <_W_> lfm, no, that is not a cost of changing the code, that is a CONSEQUENCE - a very different thing
1640 2011-07-21 22:16:25 <lfm> you get spam BECAUSE txn are free.
1641 2011-07-21 22:16:33 <_W_> a user in this day and age should (and in some cases do) expect full control over the software running on HIS machine, and will go to the vendor that provides it
1642 2011-07-21 22:16:41 <_W_> lfm, so?
1643 2011-07-21 22:16:49 <b4epoche> if you know what you're doing it 'costs' like 1 minute (or $1000 at my rates)
1644 2011-07-21 22:16:53 <Zagitta> diki: what did you do about "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lOpenCL" ?
1645 2011-07-21 22:16:54 <_W_> lfm, you're arguing from a normative stand
1646 2011-07-21 22:17:07 <lfm> so bitcoin doesnt want spam so it doesnot suport free txn
1647 2011-07-21 22:17:22 <_W_> lfm, assuming that every developer in the world with the inclination to go poking in the bitcoin client (or make his own) will share the stand
1648 2011-07-21 22:17:44 <_W_> lfm, it is best to separate bitcoin the network, from bitcoin the client, and bitcoin the miners
1649 2011-07-21 22:17:47 <lfm> _w_ ot really only matters what the miners feel about it.
1650 2011-07-21 22:18:02 <_W_> a client that allows you to make fee-less transactions WILL happen
1651 2011-07-21 22:18:22 <da2ce7> NewSendCoins: http://pastebin.com/JxbQejVn
1652 2011-07-21 22:18:23 <lfm> _W_ we HAD free txn and e got BURRIED in spam.
1653 2011-07-21 22:18:31 <da2ce7> what do you think?
1654 2011-07-21 22:18:38 <_W_> lfm, you can't fix that by being gatekeepers
1655 2011-07-21 22:18:50 <lfm> sez you?
1656 2011-07-21 22:19:08 <_W_> the protocol is open, someone /will/ disagree and make a fee-less client
1657 2011-07-21 22:19:20 <_W_> not to mention just mod the client
1658 2011-07-21 22:19:26 <lfm> and their txn will languish in limbo.
1659 2011-07-21 22:19:32 <_W_> and so?
1660 2011-07-21 22:19:50 <lfm> the miners will ignore them and their txn will not work.
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1662 2011-07-21 22:19:55 <_W_> and for the record, there's at least one person willing to include (or even exclusively include) free transactions in a block - me!
1663 2011-07-21 22:20:09 <Zagitta> diki: nvm
1664 2011-07-21 22:20:13 <_W_> lfm, assuming, again, that every miner agrees
1665 2011-07-21 22:20:20 <lfm> _w_ and how many blocks per day do you produce?
1666 2011-07-21 22:20:25 <_W_> or assuming that miner developers again act as gatekeepers
1667 2011-07-21 22:20:33 <_W_> lfm, at this point? Zero.
1668 2011-07-21 22:20:53 <_W_> I'm certainly not above wasting money on a point though
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1670 2011-07-21 22:21:26 <lfm> really usefull. Actually there are miner who do produce some blocks every day that carry free txn. just they are not enuf to make free txn practical for most people.
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1672 2011-07-21 22:22:04 <b4epoche> honestly, I wonder if this is vulnerability⦠any asshole with some coding experience could mod the code and send tons of spam
1673 2011-07-21 22:22:07 <_W_> so let "most people" decide that for themselves
1674 2011-07-21 22:22:29 <_W_> b4epoche, of course it is
1675 2011-07-21 22:22:45 <lfm> b4epoche: you dont even need to code. just get an old version of bitcoin
1676 2011-07-21 22:22:48 <_W_> and mandating a fee is a bandaid
1677 2011-07-21 22:23:13 <b4epoche> so, really, /everyone/ is just being a good citizen?
1678 2011-07-21 22:23:15 <lfm> _w_ well if you have a better solution, feel free to implement it.
1679 2011-07-21 22:23:29 * b4epoche has to go...
1680 2011-07-21 22:23:39 <_W_> lfm, as I said, I might, but in my own client if so. I hate working on other people's code, they never meet my standards
1681 2011-07-21 22:24:00 <lfm> b4epoche: well there are still free txn on the net and they go thru but slowly.
1682 2011-07-21 22:24:22 <b4epoche> _W_: I got a wheel for you to reinvent...
1683 2011-07-21 22:24:37 <_W_> b4epoche, diversity, in this case, is health
1684 2011-07-21 22:25:02 <_W_> it would be a wheel with bling, man, totally not the same as a plain old regular wheel
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1687 2011-07-21 22:28:42 <_W_> in fact, I am very seriously considering quitting my job and taking some between-jobs-time for the energy and focus to work on my own projects
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1690 2011-07-21 22:32:30 <Zagitta> *don't mind me i'm just generating 4million keys/s*
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1694 2011-07-21 22:36:31 <da2ce7> ok... here is my proposal: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/NewSendCoins
1695 2011-07-21 22:36:35 <da2ce7> what do you guys think?
1696 2011-07-21 22:38:48 <luke-jr> da2ce7: lame :P
1697 2011-07-21 22:38:58 <da2ce7> :P
1698 2011-07-21 22:39:02 <Nicksasa> something weird is going on, send 0.5btc without fee 3 days ago and it still hasn't shown up in my wallet, txid isn't on blockexplorer or bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin
1699 2011-07-21 22:39:02 <luke-jr> da2ce7: it solves one problem, ignoring all the others, and doesn't really provide much useful
1700 2011-07-21 22:40:03 <da2ce7> luke-jr, what whould you propose, weill at least untill we have a new API
1701 2011-07-21 22:40:21 <luke-jr> da2ce7: the current sendmany works "good enough" until the new protocol is done
1702 2011-07-21 22:40:42 <da2ce7> we should have at least confimation of fees.
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1707 2011-07-21 22:45:32 <luke-jr> da2ce7: that's easy. error when the fee is too small, and use settxfee
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1713 2011-07-21 22:52:49 <_W_> Nicksasa, where did you send from?
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1730 2011-07-21 23:17:55 <cuqaa> hey, I get lots of messages like that from pushpool daemon:
1731 2011-07-21 23:17:55 <cuqaa> [2011-07-21 23:12:40.381194] JSON-RPC call failed: (null)
1732 2011-07-21 23:17:55 <cuqaa> [2011-07-21 23:12:40.381244] submit_work json_rpc_call failed
1733 2011-07-21 23:17:59 <cuqaa> what does that mean?
1734 2011-07-21 23:18:52 <prof7bit> in_addr.s_addr is always in host byte order, is it? so on a big endian machine i can use the return values from gethostbyaddr() without endian swapping?
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1737 2011-07-21 23:21:47 <prof7bit> gethostbyname() i meant
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1746 2011-07-21 23:42:53 <Zagitta> [4.27 Mkey/s][total 19503513600][Prob 0.0%][50% in 96.7d][Found 2/3] >_>
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1748 2011-07-21 23:43:04 <phantomcircuit> http://beta.intersango.com/
1749 2011-07-21 23:43:14 <phantomcircuit> plz2betatestexchange
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