1 2011-07-28 00:00:02 <WakiMiko_> btw, with the current client version, does one still need to use the -dns parameter to enable lookups for the addnode and connect parameters?
2 2011-07-28 00:00:07 <nanotube> b4epoche: well, if you write a small (possibly based on bitcointools even) that exports the wallet to a text file... that'll solve all the problems, without needing to modify the client, no?
3 2011-07-28 00:00:08 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: again, maybe its worth doing some time or something, but changing is hard as hell, and there are much more important things to do ;)
4 2011-07-28 00:00:14 <BlueMatt> WakiMiko_: yes
5 2011-07-28 00:00:27 <nanotube> b4epoche: i mean, solve the perception problems, since anyone should be able to export and look at it if he so chooses, easily?
6 2011-07-28 00:00:36 <WakiMiko_> ok, thx. editing the fallback nodes page to reflect that
7 2011-07-28 00:00:44 <b4epoche> nanotube: I've basically done that
8 2011-07-28 00:00:57 <jrmithdobbs> who has sf access?
9 2011-07-28 00:01:07 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: gavin, jgarzik
10 2011-07-28 00:01:08 <b4epoche> BlueMatt: yes, I agree⦠I'm not bringing this up to move to #1 on the to do list
11 2011-07-28 00:01:11 <BlueMatt> satoshi
12 2011-07-28 00:01:18 <BlueMatt> sirius?
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14 2011-07-28 00:01:30 <nanotube> b4epoche: ok well then... stick it up on github and maybe eventually the devs will be up for merging your tool somewhere.
15 2011-07-28 00:01:32 <nanotube> jrmithdobbs: why do you ask
16 2011-07-28 00:01:32 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: well its so far down, its not worth discussin imo ;)
17 2011-07-28 00:01:54 * b4epoche thought maybe the db vs. txt thing had been debated and a clear reason had been established
18 2011-07-28 00:02:09 <BlueMatt> its been brought up once or twice
19 2011-07-28 00:02:32 <BlueMatt> mostly Ive said "why reinvent the wheel?" and "we have better stuff to do" and people have moved on
20 2011-07-28 00:02:44 <BlueMatt> though usually its "move to sqlite" instead
21 2011-07-28 00:03:08 <nanotube> BlueMatt: heh well, sqlite has a nice gui browser... so that'd solve the perception problem, while not being as much of a pain as writing a db interface for a plaintext file.
22 2011-07-28 00:03:14 <nanotube> maybe what we need is a nice bdb browser.
23 2011-07-28 00:03:21 <Evious> Having something that can be inspected (pretty-printed JSON) would be pretty nice for perception. How hard is it to write an export tool?
24 2011-07-28 00:03:22 <copumpkin> bdb doesn't have a set format
25 2011-07-28 00:03:31 <copumpkin> it'd be rather difficult to browse graphically :)
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27 2011-07-28 00:03:57 * b4epoche was wondering why there was no nice front-end UI for bdb
28 2011-07-28 00:03:57 <nanotube> copumpkin: a browser that gets supplied with some format hints?
29 2011-07-28 00:04:04 <BlueMatt> meh, seriously, its not on the priorities list
30 2011-07-28 00:04:12 <copumpkin> binary formats can get pretty hairy to describe succinctly :)
31 2011-07-28 00:04:15 * BlueMatt thinks bitcointools is a nice browser
32 2011-07-28 00:04:22 <copumpkin> but sure, a browser with a decent hex editor :D
33 2011-07-28 00:04:49 <b4epoche> BlueMatt: why can't we discuss it if nothing more important is being discussed?
34 2011-07-28 00:05:00 <BlueMatt> oh, we can absolutely discuss it
35 2011-07-28 00:05:21 <BlueMatt> Im just saying yea it might be nice to do an sqlite backend
36 2011-07-28 00:05:29 <BlueMatt> and if we agree, why discuss?
37 2011-07-28 00:05:45 <BlueMatt> though I do think the upgrade process is a bigger problem than you think
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39 2011-07-28 00:05:51 <BlueMatt> people go back to old versions all the time
40 2011-07-28 00:06:04 <BlueMatt> and you screw them out of that then
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47 2011-07-28 00:08:05 * b4epoche thought BlueMatt was ddos'ing me again
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51 2011-07-28 00:08:56 <nanotube> b4epoche: what do you mean 'again', has he ddosed you before? :)
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53 2011-07-28 00:09:33 <b4epoche> he was masquerading as a Ukrainian named Mpower ;-)
54 2011-07-28 00:09:57 <BlueMatt> me?
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57 2011-07-28 00:12:35 <b4epoche> we all know it's you behind that botnet
58 2011-07-28 00:12:41 <copumpkin> he is awfully Blue
59 2011-07-28 00:12:49 <copumpkin> that's a clear sign of hax0rness
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61 2011-07-28 00:13:10 * BlueMatt runs
62 2011-07-28 00:13:18 <copumpkin> seize him!
63 2011-07-28 00:13:25 BlueMatt has left ("oh shit, dont trace me")
64 2011-07-28 00:13:30 <cjdelisle> hahaha
65 2011-07-28 00:13:42 <b4epoche> www.cnnsi.com, fourth tab (2012 Games), doesn't Bolt look a little alien-like?
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67 2011-07-28 00:13:59 <copumpkin> BlueMatt: too late
68 2011-07-28 00:14:06 <copumpkin> I'm using tracer T on you
69 2011-07-28 00:14:06 <copumpkin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM
70 2011-07-28 00:14:19 <copumpkin> (epic video for people who haven't seen it)
71 2011-07-28 00:14:20 <BlueMatt> oh, god that kid
72 2011-07-28 00:14:34 <BlueMatt> 10 people connected to google :)
73 2011-07-28 00:14:35 * copumpkin grins
74 2011-07-28 00:15:00 <cjdelisle> "IRC... it's how hackers communicate when they don't want to be overheard" "fortunately I speak leet"
75 2011-07-28 00:15:00 * copumpkin makes himself a prosciutto and mozzarella sandwich
76 2011-07-28 00:15:01 <copumpkin> mmm
77 2011-07-28 00:15:13 <copumpkin> cjdelisle: damn right, and I have a visual basic GUI here
78 2011-07-28 00:15:15 <copumpkin> to track your IP
79 2011-07-28 00:15:16 <BlueMatt> ooo, can you send me one?
80 2011-07-28 00:15:27 <BlueMatt> (a sammich)
81 2011-07-28 00:15:37 <copumpkin> I don't think it'd still be good by the time it reached you
82 2011-07-28 00:15:41 <copumpkin> you know, the cheese goes bad
83 2011-07-28 00:15:47 <BlueMatt> no, send it through the tubes
84 2011-07-28 00:15:50 <copumpkin> oh
85 2011-07-28 00:15:52 <cjdelisle> it ain't real unless the text is green!
86 2011-07-28 00:15:54 <copumpkin> sammichcoin?
87 2011-07-28 00:16:07 <BlueMatt> ooo, 1 coin == one sammich at any time of night
88 2011-07-28 00:16:08 <WakiMiko_> internet relay chat... its how hackers talk to each other when they dont want to be overheard....
89 2011-07-28 00:16:14 <b4epoche> copumpkin: fresh mozza?
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91 2011-07-28 00:16:29 * copumpkin is an official hax0r by the way. I'm a master arranger of cubes, like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmR3wIBJZbk
92 2011-07-28 00:16:32 <copumpkin> b4epoche: of course
93 2011-07-28 00:16:39 <copumpkin> I was too cheap for buffalo mozzarella today
94 2011-07-28 00:16:45 <WakiMiko_> you are not a hax0r when you dont talk in 1337 speak 24/7
95 2011-07-28 00:16:49 <nanotube> b4epoche: haha ic
96 2011-07-28 00:17:02 <lfm> it aint 133t unless the text is green?
97 2011-07-28 00:17:05 <copumpkin> WakiMiko_: d4m|\| r1g|-|4
98 2011-07-28 00:17:05 * BlueMatt wants quad-monitors so bad
99 2011-07-28 00:17:14 <BlueMatt> laptop + 2 just doesnt cut it
100 2011-07-28 00:17:17 copumpkin is now known as c0pumpk1n
101 2011-07-28 00:17:26 <WakiMiko_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
102 2011-07-28 00:17:28 <c0pumpk1n> (this is my secret hax0r identity)
103 2011-07-28 00:17:32 <c0pumpk1n> (a bit like superman's costume)
104 2011-07-28 00:17:45 <gribble> ; /-\/\/\ |>o+, ; /-\/\/\ f1|_|3|\|+ ;|\| 133+
105 2011-07-28 00:17:53 <WakiMiko_> ;;list filter
106 2011-07-28 00:17:53 <gribble> aol, azn, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, unbinary, undup, unhexlify, uniud, and unmorse
107 2011-07-28 00:18:22 <WakiMiko_> ;;supa1337 got a suprise for you
108 2011-07-28 00:18:22 <gribble> go+ /-\ $|_|p|2;$3 fo|2 j00
109 2011-07-28 00:18:52 <BlueMatt> oh god
110 2011-07-28 00:19:20 <b4epoche> can gribble do ascii art too?
111 2011-07-28 00:19:32 <nanotube> no, thankfully. :)
112 2011-07-28 00:19:38 <WakiMiko_> ascii art is a little spammy
113 2011-07-28 00:19:48 <BlueMatt> as is ,,(colorize hello)
114 2011-07-28 00:19:48 <gribble> hello
115 2011-07-28 00:19:54 <BlueMatt> oh, good color doesnt work :)
116 2011-07-28 00:19:55 <WakiMiko_> call figlet I LOVE ASCII ART | cowsay -n
117 2011-07-28 00:20:10 * BlueMatt has cowsay in his bashrc
118 2011-07-28 00:20:25 <BlueMatt> (for motd)
119 2011-07-28 00:20:39 <WakiMiko_> set bash to automatically pipe all output through cowsay
120 2011-07-28 00:20:39 <JFK911> should be in your PS1
121 2011-07-28 00:20:54 <JFK911> or whatever var it is... you know what i mean
122 2011-07-28 00:20:55 <lfm> banner?
123 2011-07-28 00:21:27 <BlueMatt> alias echo='cowsay'
124 2011-07-28 00:21:53 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: what is jrmithdobbs plotting? :)
125 2011-07-28 00:21:53 <WakiMiko_> &rot13 [rot13 ADVANCED ENCRYPTION]
126 2011-07-28 00:21:54 <gribble> ADVANCED ENCRYPTION
127 2011-07-28 00:22:04 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: nfc
128 2011-07-28 00:22:06 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: i was investigating some claims
129 2011-07-28 00:22:16 <jrmithdobbs> they are false afaict so not worth talking about
130 2011-07-28 00:23:01 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: /msg if you really want to know
131 2011-07-28 00:23:11 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, jrmithdobbs: AFAIK, SF access list is: satoshi, sirius, gavin, myself
132 2011-07-28 00:23:16 <jgarzik> but it may be finer-grained than that
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136 2011-07-28 00:29:07 <Teppy> Back in a bit - rebuilding bitcoind and will try rescan.
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176 2011-07-28 01:18:34 <Blitzboom> iâd like to know, was the thief of allinvainâs bitcoins really identified?
177 2011-07-28 01:18:39 <Blitzboom> by those researchers
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203 2011-07-28 02:03:40 <Diablo-D3> https://twitter.com/#!/whitehouse/status/96291538044329985
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205 2011-07-28 02:08:02 <IO-> wow
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209 2011-07-28 02:13:20 <IO-> i hope the twitter intern doesn't get in any trouble
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212 2011-07-28 02:16:07 <BitcoinForNewegg> blame a hacker
213 2011-07-28 02:16:20 <BitcoinForNewegg> if they prove no hacker did anythign blame it on socuial engineering
214 2011-07-28 02:16:25 <BitcoinForNewegg> I hear its how sony operates
215 2011-07-28 02:17:56 <IO-> i blame Diablo-D3
216 2011-07-28 02:18:05 <IO-> if he was 4D this wouldn't have happened
217 2011-07-28 02:18:13 <BitcoinForNewegg> but anyways I prefer xoring with the last 128 bit number a brute force attack woudl check if it started at 0x1 and counted upwards
218 2011-07-28 02:18:27 <MaggyO> does newegg accept btc yet
219 2011-07-28 02:18:42 <BitcoinForNewegg> jjjrmy does
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221 2011-07-28 02:19:59 <IO-> i doubt newegg will accept BTC for a very, very long time
222 2011-07-28 02:20:04 <IO-> about the same time visa does
223 2011-07-28 02:20:11 <BitcoinForNewegg> so if a brute force attack checked every 128 bit number, starting with 1 and increaseing, whats the last it woudl check?
224 2011-07-28 02:20:24 <MaggyO> what if we protest outside neweggs online stores
225 2011-07-28 02:20:28 <MaggyO> and force them to
226 2011-07-28 02:20:55 <IO-> ... like... telnet'ing and typing WE DEMAND YOU ACCEPT BTC? ... over and over?
227 2011-07-28 02:20:55 <BitcoinForNewegg> u mean like sending them pings wih the protest in the payload?
228 2011-07-28 02:21:01 <MaggyO> haha
229 2011-07-28 02:21:11 <IO-> fuck that, i'll write a perl script
230 2011-07-28 02:21:12 <MaggyO> no like going to their datacenters and annoying the one technician there
231 2011-07-28 02:21:24 <IO-> dont be silly, i'm sure there's probably 2 or 3
232 2011-07-28 02:21:30 <MaggyO> haha
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234 2011-07-28 02:23:03 <BitcoinForNewegg> theres prolly one that does the website
235 2011-07-28 02:23:11 <BitcoinForNewegg> and 8 that generate stats and sen dotu emails
236 2011-07-28 02:23:26 <MaggyO> and 8 that post positive comments for them
237 2011-07-28 02:23:39 <BitcoinForNewegg> newegg is gettign creepy liek search for stuff when u are logged inadn they email u it as a suggestiont he enxt day
238 2011-07-28 02:23:41 <MaggyO> and flame anyone thats had an issue
239 2011-07-28 02:24:04 <Diablo-D3> what happened?
240 2011-07-28 02:24:06 <BitcoinForNewegg> nah comments are real
241 2011-07-28 02:24:10 <Diablo-D3> wh am i being blamed?
242 2011-07-28 02:24:29 <BitcoinForNewegg> we knwo u did it just confess already
243 2011-07-28 02:24:31 <MaggyO> if people keep pestering new egg with BTC emails
244 2011-07-28 02:24:33 <MaggyO> theyll cave
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246 2011-07-28 02:25:14 <IO-> CFO's wont care
247 2011-07-28 02:25:22 <IO-> they'd be scared , its still early
248 2011-07-28 02:25:38 <MaggyO> negative nancy
249 2011-07-28 02:25:52 <BitcoinForNewegg> nah cfo wonte care, email filter and secretary takes care of that
250 2011-07-28 02:25:53 <MaggyO> i bet if 5 people from here email them, it will change that million dollar companies thought process
251 2011-07-28 02:26:08 <BitcoinForNewegg> million?
252 2011-07-28 02:26:10 <BitcoinForNewegg> lol
253 2011-07-28 02:26:14 <BitcoinForNewegg> million isnothing
254 2011-07-28 02:26:54 <IO-> MaggyO: make 2 gmail accounts, 2 hotmail accounts, and 2 hushmail accounts and do it
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256 2011-07-28 02:27:07 <MaggyO> yah
257 2011-07-28 02:27:07 <BitcoinForNewegg> post in other thoughts on coments
258 2011-07-28 02:27:10 <BitcoinForNewegg> or cons
259 2011-07-28 02:27:14 <BitcoinForNewegg> cannot buy with bitcoin
260 2011-07-28 02:27:26 <MaggyO> surely theres a perl script to automate this btc badgering
261 2011-07-28 02:27:31 <MaggyO> its 2011
262 2011-07-28 02:28:37 <BitcoinForNewegg> i wrote a program once to download newegg
263 2011-07-28 02:28:54 <forrestv> i wrote a scraper for price comparison for newegg: http://forre.st/storage :)
264 2011-07-28 02:29:08 <BitcoinForNewegg> i wanted to compare prices on stuff over time
265 2011-07-28 02:29:26 <BitcoinForNewegg> lke see price per 1 GB of ram over a 10 year period
266 2011-07-28 02:29:29 <MaggyO> did you guys fit in dating women somewhere between this
267 2011-07-28 02:29:36 <BitcoinForNewegg> no
268 2011-07-28 02:29:36 <forrestv> yes
269 2011-07-28 02:29:42 <MaggyO> lawl
270 2011-07-28 02:30:12 <BitcoinForNewegg> newegg pretty much changes prices starting ont he first of the month but it takes them a week to finish
271 2011-07-28 02:31:03 <forrestv> BitcoinForNewegg, i'm collecting historical harddrive data
272 2011-07-28 02:31:09 <forrestv> going to make a graph of it sometime
273 2011-07-28 02:31:12 <MaggyO> hard drive development has stalled
274 2011-07-28 02:31:12 <forrestv> just collecting for now
275 2011-07-28 02:31:18 <MaggyO> traditional ones i mean
276 2011-07-28 02:31:30 <forrestv> it's tracked ssds since the beginning
277 2011-07-28 02:31:38 <forrestv> and it's tracking all types of flash memory :p
278 2011-07-28 02:32:01 <MaggyO> i bought an SSD recently
279 2011-07-28 02:32:12 <BitcoinForNewegg> im getting this after my 8 monitor setup at work
280 2011-07-28 02:32:13 <BitcoinForNewegg> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133047
281 2011-07-28 02:32:16 <MaggyO> youd think that would be a simple install and forget process but nope
282 2011-07-28 02:32:19 <MaggyO> SSDs are tricky
283 2011-07-28 02:32:38 <BitcoinForNewegg> forrest 3TB drives dropped to $15
284 2011-07-28 02:32:40 <BitcoinForNewegg> 150
285 2011-07-28 02:32:49 <BitcoinForNewegg> a coupel years ago 1.5 TB were at that price
286 2011-07-28 02:32:59 <BitcoinForNewegg> and a coupel years before that 750GB were at $150
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288 2011-07-28 02:33:09 <MaggyO> did you track the size per price
289 2011-07-28 02:33:11 <BitcoinForNewegg> i buy new drives at $150 when I can get double the space I previously had
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291 2011-07-28 02:33:46 <MaggyO> we stayed at 2TB for quite a while
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293 2011-07-28 02:33:56 <BitcoinForNewegg> new ones start at $300 and slowly drop in price to 150 and sit there for a long time
294 2011-07-28 02:34:06 <BitcoinForNewegg> thats nota drive issue
295 2011-07-28 02:34:10 <BitcoinForNewegg> its a LBA64 issue
296 2011-07-28 02:34:32 <BitcoinForNewegg> they used 32 bit addresses for blocks
297 2011-07-28 02:34:41 <MaggyO> it wasnt a density issue at all?
298 2011-07-28 02:34:46 <BitcoinForNewegg> which is 2^32 * 512 kb
299 2011-07-28 02:34:53 <BitcoinForNewegg> not entirely
300 2011-07-28 02:34:55 <MaggyO> i think the tech is reaching harder and harder returns
301 2011-07-28 02:35:01 <BitcoinForNewegg> it always is
302 2011-07-28 02:35:05 <MaggyO> it went from ~500 to 2TB relatively quickly
303 2011-07-28 02:35:08 <BitcoinForNewegg> thats what exponsntial growth is
304 2011-07-28 02:35:10 <MaggyO> then it stalled
305 2011-07-28 02:35:38 <MaggyO> flash will overtake the size issue i guess eventually
306 2011-07-28 02:35:47 <BitcoinForNewegg> it already has
307 2011-07-28 02:35:57 <MaggyO> not really, at comparable prices
308 2011-07-28 02:36:07 <BitcoinForNewegg> density wise flash is smaller
309 2011-07-28 02:36:10 <BitcoinForNewegg> much smaller
310 2011-07-28 02:36:18 <MaggyO> yah
311 2011-07-28 02:37:38 <BitcoinForNewegg> anyoen know if taking like a 20-30 TB volume and presentign it to ESXi 5 then making 10-15 2TB VMDK files for windows to software RAID is a good idea?
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314 2011-07-28 02:40:17 <IO-> one thing to know about VMFS , there is no chkdsk/fsck
315 2011-07-28 02:40:22 <IO-> if it gets fucked your fucked
316 2011-07-28 02:40:42 <IO-> a client of mine spend $1200 in after hours weekend support calls to vmware to learn that
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324 2011-07-28 02:52:03 <Amtal> About how many man-hours would it be, to implement the bitcoin protocol?
325 2011-07-28 02:52:36 <MaggyO> google man hours or microsoft
326 2011-07-28 02:52:37 <SuprTiggr> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/biztalkgeneral/thread/77dda6f3-7f3f-4bc4-b582-768f526bf356
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328 2011-07-28 02:53:41 <Amtal> Hah.
329 2011-07-28 02:54:14 <Amtal> Okay, fine, alternate approach: where's the bitcoin main client source repository, and which files should I start with to figure out the protocol?
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331 2011-07-28 02:55:12 <doublec> source is linked from the main page of bitcoin.org
332 2011-07-28 02:55:54 <doublec> where it says "Latest Source Code"
333 2011-07-28 02:56:15 <lfm> est 4 man hours to build bitcoin for the first time on a linux system. 12 on mswin.
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337 2011-07-28 02:57:39 <lfm> thats if it is one person, if you have extra persons available to help, double it
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345 2011-07-28 03:06:46 <sacarlson> oh I think I might just found something that might be a problem in merge mining at least in my version both mined the transaction on old net and new net and both took the transaction fee, so the transaction fee is paid 2 times
346 2011-07-28 03:07:58 <forrestv> sacarlson, isn't that the point ..?
347 2011-07-28 03:08:06 <forrestv> you mean one time on one network and one time on the other?
348 2011-07-28 03:09:01 <sacarlson> forrestv: well since you can transact on both network to and from seems like the miner or the fee is doubling
349 2011-07-28 03:09:27 <sacarlson> forrestv: the person pays only once but it's collected twice
350 2011-07-28 03:09:41 <AlonzoTG> om
351 2011-07-28 03:09:57 <AlonzoTG> What is the status of: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Infrastructure ?
352 2011-07-28 03:10:01 <AlonzoTG> Is it a proposal?
353 2011-07-28 03:10:03 <AlonzoTG> Is it what we have?
354 2011-07-28 03:10:09 <AlonzoTG> what's up with it anyway?
355 2011-07-28 03:11:00 <forrestv> AlonzoTG, it's pretty much what we have, just there is bitcoin's GUI tightly bundled with bitcoind
356 2011-07-28 03:11:08 <forrestv> and it's most popular and doesn't fit into the model
357 2011-07-28 03:11:19 <AlonzoTG> I have a number of problems that I'm working right now, and understanding the inner workings of the peer and wallet
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360 2011-07-28 03:12:08 <AlonzoTG> I think I want to implement a inetd based peer, which I'm 80% sure is feasible.
361 2011-07-28 03:12:25 <AlonzoTG> but inetd is good for all the passive activities of the peer -- accepting incomming connections.
362 2011-07-28 03:12:34 <AlonzoTG> Does it need to do anything on a schedule?
363 2011-07-28 03:12:36 <sacarlson> forrestv: so maybe that's the way it should be maybe you can't move the fee's between the two miner nets so it's not a problem?
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365 2011-07-28 03:14:30 <forrestv> sacarlson, i think that that's the way it should be
366 2011-07-28 03:14:35 <forrestv> incentive for mining on both
367 2011-07-28 03:14:40 <sacarlson> forrestv: cool
368 2011-07-28 03:14:42 <forrestv> and you're contributing to both so it's fair
369 2011-07-28 03:15:22 <sacarlson> forrestv: I'll try create a transaction that has a 100 coin fee and see if I can send it to the other net
370 2011-07-28 03:15:59 <forrestv> sacarlson, what do you mean 'send it to the other net'?
371 2011-07-28 03:16:07 <forrestv> you can't move coins across nets ..
372 2011-07-28 03:16:16 <sacarlson> forrestv: well I'm mining the old and new net at the same time
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375 2011-07-28 03:17:02 <sacarlson> forrestv: yes that's what I'm thinking it will return the transaction on the recieve as insufisiant funds I think
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379 2011-07-28 03:19:01 <sacarlson> forrestv: but I have been able to send funds from old to new and new to old as long as the coin was produced before the change of merge mining I think
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385 2011-07-28 03:26:14 <forrestv> sacarlson, so you're not really sending across nets, you're just transferring it on one
386 2011-07-28 03:30:10 <sacarlson> forrestv: this is like a simulated namecoin merge mine at the time when namecoin starts to accept merge mine but the old miners are still running
387 2011-07-28 03:31:15 <sacarlson> with the old client and new clients still working together and old mines and new miners all running on the same net just different chains I guess
388 2011-07-28 03:33:02 <sacarlson> maybe in reality when namecoin changes over there will no longer be old miners and old clients?
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413 2011-07-28 04:47:00 <gribble> Current Blocks: 138423 | Current Difficulty: 1690906.2047244 | Next Difficulty At Block: 139103 | Next Difficulty In: 680 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 3 hours, 32 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1872082.84973378
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432 2011-07-28 05:17:09 <SomeoneWeird> Guys, need help compiling bitcoin w/ http://davids.webmaster.com/~davids/bitcoin-4diff.txt
433 2011-07-28 05:17:21 <SomeoneWeird> get a shit load of errors in net.cpp
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435 2011-07-28 05:20:16 <SomeoneWeird> anyone?
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445 2011-07-28 05:43:58 <Habbie> SomeoneWeird, you're not actually telling us about your problem
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447 2011-07-28 05:44:11 <SomeoneWeird> it's ok, i think i've got it Habbie
448 2011-07-28 05:44:14 <Habbie> ah
449 2011-07-28 05:44:15 <Habbie> ok good :)
450 2011-07-28 05:44:23 <SomeoneWeird> yeah, i would have posted it but noone replied lol
451 2011-07-28 05:44:36 <Habbie> that's my point
452 2011-07-28 05:44:42 <Habbie> you need to provide information right away
453 2011-07-28 05:44:48 <Habbie> otherwise, you get
454 2011-07-28 05:44:52 <Habbie> 7am: SomeoneWeird asks 'help!'
455 2011-07-28 05:44:57 <Habbie> 7:30am: Habbie says 'what's up, tell me more'
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457 2011-07-28 05:45:00 <Habbie> 8am: SomeoneWeird explains
458 2011-07-28 05:45:12 <Habbie> while if you actually provide info at 7am, i may be able to solve your issue at 7:30 :)
459 2011-07-28 05:45:12 <SomeoneWeird> 0_o
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461 2011-07-28 05:45:22 <SomeoneWeird> not 7am here
462 2011-07-28 05:45:22 <SomeoneWeird> :p
463 2011-07-28 05:45:32 <Habbie> it is here
464 2011-07-28 05:45:35 <Habbie> not the point ;0
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472 2011-07-28 05:58:00 <Habbie> testnet getwork: "target" : "000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004f820000000000"
473 2011-07-28 05:58:07 <Habbie> mainnet getwork: "target" : "000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004ec09000000000000"
474 2011-07-28 05:58:14 <Habbie> i thought testnet was supposed to have higher targets
475 2011-07-28 05:58:29 <Habbie> (difficulty on testnet is 502.9, mainnet is like 1.6 million)
476 2011-07-28 05:58:33 <Habbie> what am i confused about?
477 2011-07-28 05:58:46 <forrestv> Habbie, the target there is reversed
478 2011-07-28 05:59:00 <Habbie> ohh, zeroes count from the right?
479 2011-07-28 05:59:02 <forrestv> little endian binary data
480 2011-07-28 05:59:03 <forrestv> yes
481 2011-07-28 05:59:05 <Habbie> thanks :)
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489 2011-07-28 06:35:54 <josephcp> ls
490 2011-07-28 06:36:02 <josephcp> oops wrong window -_-;
491 2011-07-28 06:36:19 <IO-> hehe
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498 2011-07-28 06:49:18 <SomeoneWeird> lol
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509 2011-07-28 07:00:27 <sabalaba> hey does anybody here know if there's a silkroad iRC?
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512 2011-07-28 07:00:52 <Habbie> sabalaba, this is the wrong channel for that question
513 2011-07-28 07:01:12 <sabalaba> Habbie, what channel would you reccomend?
514 2011-07-28 07:01:21 <sabalaba> *recommend
515 2011-07-28 07:01:23 <Habbie> #bitcoin is better - although you asked plenty of times there
516 2011-07-28 07:01:31 <Habbie> i'm going to suggest there is no silkroad irc channel
517 2011-07-28 07:01:43 <Habbie> i'm also going to suggest discussing silkroad openly, without the protection of TOR and such, is very dumb.
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519 2011-07-28 07:02:25 <sabalaba> thanks for the advice
520 2011-07-28 07:02:37 <sabalaba> is there a checklist for contribution requests for bitcoin
521 2011-07-28 07:02:50 <Habbie> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues
522 2011-07-28 07:03:03 * sabalaba bows
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524 2011-07-28 07:05:45 <Habbie> "blocks" : 31541,
525 2011-07-28 07:05:56 <Habbie> this actually means there are 31542 blocks in my downloaded chain
526 2011-07-28 07:05:58 <Habbie> misleading ;)
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528 2011-07-28 07:07:28 <josephcp> well as long as everyone's consistent it doesn't matter whether we start for 0 or 1 right? :-P
529 2011-07-28 07:08:14 <Habbie> everyone is consistent
530 2011-07-28 07:08:22 <Habbie> but calling it 'blocks' is misleading ;)
531 2011-07-28 07:08:43 <josephcp> why
532 2011-07-28 07:09:23 <Habbie> because blocks: 31541 means there are 31542 blocks
533 2011-07-28 07:09:58 <josephcp> you'd prefer it be "block number" : 31541
534 2011-07-28 07:09:58 <josephcp> ?
535 2011-07-28 07:10:09 <Habbie> not sure i would prefer. it would be more accurate
536 2011-07-28 07:10:15 <josephcp> i guess that'd make more sense, oh well
537 2011-07-28 07:10:20 <Habbie> a more concise term than 'block number' would be great
538 2011-07-28 07:10:24 <Habbie> i'm just nitpicking here, sorry
539 2011-07-28 07:10:31 <josephcp> if you change the rpc call name it'll break everything though
540 2011-07-28 07:10:33 <josephcp> too late :-P
541 2011-07-28 07:10:53 <josephcp> i mean the returned data key
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544 2011-07-28 07:15:18 <Habbie> oh sure
545 2011-07-28 07:15:22 <Habbie> we'll just have to live with it ;)
546 2011-07-28 07:16:01 <der_harm> Hey guys, would you mind adding a bitcoin symbol on the front page of http://www.weusecoins.com/ ? Linking this page on facebook shows 7 diffecent icons, but no bitcoin!! And even worse: the first icon is half an apple...:-/
547 2011-07-28 07:16:16 <josephcp> der_harm: i don't think there's a canonical bitcoin symbol
548 2011-07-28 07:21:20 <der_harm> but everywhere i see this golden coin
549 2011-07-28 07:21:59 <der_harm> but anyway, maybe you agree on the importance of the layout and linking on facebook?
550 2011-07-28 07:22:13 <der_harm> same with http://bitcoin.org/
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559 2011-07-28 07:42:30 <midnightmagic> ;;seen ArtForZ
560 2011-07-28 07:42:31 <gribble> ArtForZ was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 6 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 21 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <ArtForz> eternal beta. hah, satoshi is secretly a google employee!
561 2011-07-28 07:42:40 <midnightmagic> damn, 6 weeks. :-(
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564 2011-07-28 07:45:06 <DD-> hes still alive ;)
565 2011-07-28 07:45:31 <DD-> _ape has him locked up in his basement
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570 2011-07-28 07:55:01 <midnightmagic> now who are you then..?
571 2011-07-28 07:55:21 <midnightmagic> aand.. do you know art?
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575 2011-07-28 08:00:29 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":14.0103,"low":13.67,"avg":13.849608729,"vwap":13.807845148,"vol":20405,"last":13.73,"buy":13.73,"sell":13.73999}}
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591 2011-07-28 08:22:33 <DD-> midnightmagic: im spiderman , ArtForz personal secretary
592 2011-07-28 08:22:38 <DD-> shall i pass a message on?
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598 2011-07-28 08:27:42 <Blitzboom> how is 0.4 progressing?
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604 2011-07-28 08:35:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 138450 | Current Difficulty: 1690906.2047244 | Next Difficulty At Block: 139103 | Next Difficulty In: 653 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 23 hours, 2 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1873419.38646292
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618 2011-07-28 09:36:27 <sacarlson> looks like beertokens are moving up a little now 1 BEER = 1.010010 USD up from less than 0.99 usd
619 2011-07-28 09:43:30 <jeremias> hmm beertokens really working?
620 2011-07-28 09:45:44 <Tycale> http://bitcoin.tycale.be/ back :)
621 2011-07-28 09:46:50 <sacarlson> jeremias: not really fully up and running yet limited accounts and members at this time
622 2011-07-28 09:47:08 <sacarlson> jeremias: still working on infrastructure on the concept
623 2011-07-28 09:47:56 <jeremias> i don't get the concept of beertokens, is there some place where they are explained briefly?
624 2011-07-28 09:48:26 <jeremias> eg. i don't understand how they work so that someone can't game the system.
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626 2011-07-28 09:49:36 <sacarlson> jeremias: it's still in concept stage http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=9493.msg136917#msg136917
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648 2011-07-28 10:40:18 <sacarlson> I'm not fully understanding how to read the diffences in the format of these targets as in hard: "target" : "000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004ec09000000000000" less hard: "target" : "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffff0f000000"
649 2011-07-28 10:41:12 <sacarlson> or even if this is reversed indian thing that's fine too
650 2011-07-28 10:41:23 <asher^> differences in the format?
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652 2011-07-28 10:42:25 <sacarlson> asher: yes as in how does that become that number "difficulty" : 0.06249911,
653 2011-07-28 10:43:19 <sacarlson> my goal is I guess to just input the difficulty in this format "difficulty" : 0.06249911, and get eather nBits or target number
654 2011-07-28 10:43:51 <asher^> difficulty 0.06? how are you getting that?
655 2011-07-28 10:44:19 <sacarlson> asher^ yes that's the difficulty of weeds
656 2011-07-28 10:45:01 <sacarlson> asher^: that's what becomes of a network with constant 300kh/sec
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658 2011-07-28 10:47:14 <sacarlson> I guess I'm not fully understanding what the "difficulty" : 0.06249911, represents to start with maybe it was suposed to start from 1 as a reference and become biger or smaller over the life of the net?
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660 2011-07-28 10:47:59 <asher^> im not sure where you got that number from, its approx 1/16
661 2011-07-28 10:48:32 <sacarlson> asher^ I got it from getinfo
662 2011-07-28 10:49:29 <sacarlson> asher^ at "blocks" : 7457, that has had 300kh/sec from day 1
663 2011-07-28 10:51:18 <asher^> "difficulty" : 1690906.20472441,
664 2011-07-28 10:51:22 <asher^> thats what i get from getinfo
665 2011-07-28 10:51:39 <sacarlson> asher^: yes that's the bitcoin main net
666 2011-07-28 10:51:50 <sacarlson> asher^: there are many netwoks
667 2011-07-28 10:51:54 <asher^> ok
668 2011-07-28 10:51:55 <sacarlson> networks
669 2011-07-28 10:52:07 <asher^> so which of those hex numbers corresponds to your difficulty?
670 2011-07-28 10:52:30 <sacarlson> "target" : "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffff0f000000"
671 2011-07-28 10:53:03 <sacarlson> from getwork "target" : "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffff0f000000"
672 2011-07-28 10:53:46 <sacarlson> but the goal is I want to start easy and change to harder after 10 or more blocks after creation of a new chain
673 2011-07-28 10:54:13 <sacarlson> with modifications to GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex* pindexLast)
674 2011-07-28 10:54:48 <sacarlson> in the setup of a new expermental merge mine chain
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676 2011-07-28 10:56:08 <sacarlson> and what I have found is that a merge mine net must be at least a bit less difficult than the parent network
677 2011-07-28 10:57:32 <sacarlson> so if I want a merge mine network as secure as bitcoin I would want one that was "difficulty" : 1690906.20472441 - 10 or just a bit smaller and need to convert that to nBits
678 2011-07-28 11:01:52 <asher^> sacarlson im sorry i cant help. the formulas on the wiki dont seem to match up with these numbers
679 2011-07-28 11:02:37 <sacarlson> asher^: ya seem the numbers changes value when I did some upgrade merge at some point
680 2011-07-28 11:03:56 <diki> how does the -datadir switch work?
681 2011-07-28 11:04:08 <diki> do i specify the folder where the wallet is located?
682 2011-07-28 11:04:42 <asher^> where the config file is located
683 2011-07-28 11:05:17 <diki> wow just noticed the blockchain is almost 800mb
684 2011-07-28 11:05:29 <diki> this will be a problem in the future
685 2011-07-28 11:06:05 <asher^> wait
686 2011-07-28 11:06:08 <asher^> sacarlson...
687 2011-07-28 11:06:17 <asher^> your difficulty is certainly wrong
688 2011-07-28 11:06:21 <asher^> its impossible
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692 2011-07-28 11:06:45 <sacarlson> asher^ it comes from GetDifficulty()
693 2011-07-28 11:07:04 <asher^> difficulty = maximum_target / current_target
694 2011-07-28 11:07:20 <asher^> so unless your current target is more than the max...
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696 2011-07-28 11:09:44 <diki> so i did -datadir=/path to bitcoin conf folder/
697 2011-07-28 11:09:48 <diki> is that correct?
698 2011-07-28 11:09:55 <sacarlson> asher^: I don't see any maximum_target value in that function at rpc.cpp line 205
699 2011-07-28 11:10:14 <asher^> sacarlson i just got that formula from the wiki
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702 2011-07-28 11:13:21 <sacarlson> asher^: well someone changed there mind what they wanted the difficulty number to be. I don't get what it does a bunch of bit rotate
703 2011-07-28 11:17:03 <diki> well, i have a difficulty calculator made by lfm
704 2011-07-28 11:17:12 <diki> you enter the diff in either format and it displays the target
705 2011-07-28 11:17:21 <diki> as well as nbits and the decimal number
706 2011-07-28 11:17:27 <sacarlson> diki: that might work
707 2011-07-28 11:17:29 <diki> well, double
708 2011-07-28 11:17:48 <sacarlson> diki: where is it published?
709 2011-07-28 11:17:56 <diki> but trust me, 0.06 ive tried it
710 2011-07-28 11:17:58 <diki> doesnt work
711 2011-07-28 11:18:24 <diki> anything below < 1 is the same as diff being 1
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713 2011-07-28 11:21:35 <sacarlson> diki: I've noted when I first start chains now with -testnet specs the difficulty starts at numbers smaller than 1 not sure why
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715 2011-07-28 11:22:54 <sacarlson> diki: but as long as I can put in what I see bitcoin main net and or namecoin net values to make a new chain just a bit less difficult is all I need
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718 2011-07-28 11:29:35 <knotwork> main net is 16 times as difficult as testnet that could be where the 1/16 comes from
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728 2011-07-28 11:53:55 <asher^> is there an api call to get number of coins per block from bitcoind?
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731 2011-07-28 11:59:12 <josephcp> asher^: use the getblockbycount patch
732 2011-07-28 11:59:44 <josephcp> and then you can add it up manually by counting the transactions
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734 2011-07-28 12:00:53 <asher^> thanks
735 2011-07-28 12:01:01 <josephcp> np
736 2011-07-28 12:03:01 <Habbie> any reason there is nothing like getblock in the stock client?
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743 2011-07-28 12:30:48 <diki> so how does the datadir switch work?
744 2011-07-28 12:30:50 <diki> how do i use it?
745 2011-07-28 12:30:53 <diki> on windows ofc
746 2011-07-28 12:31:04 <diki> -datadir=path for conf folder
747 2011-07-28 12:31:06 <diki> or...?
748 2011-07-28 12:31:17 <diki> path to*
749 2011-07-28 12:31:36 <asher^> yes
750 2011-07-28 12:31:46 <diki> i tried that...nothing happened
751 2011-07-28 12:31:55 <diki> bitcoin didnt start
752 2011-07-28 12:32:03 <diki> my goal is to make two instances work at the same time
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754 2011-07-28 12:32:28 <diki> but with different wallets ofc
755 2011-07-28 12:32:44 <diki> i've made a copy of my conf file folder where the blockchain is
756 2011-07-28 12:32:50 <diki> and i feed datadir the path to the new folder
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760 2011-07-28 12:36:35 <asher^> anyone familiar with pushpool know what upstream_result = N means? (as opposed to NULL)
761 2011-07-28 12:37:55 <diki> it means
762 2011-07-28 12:38:02 <diki> that a hash was sent to bitcoind
763 2011-07-28 12:38:05 <diki> but was rejected
764 2011-07-28 12:38:11 <diki> dont worry, it's normal
765 2011-07-28 12:38:31 <diki> NULL is when the hash was sent to pushpool i.e the pool, but was not sent to bitcoind
766 2011-07-28 12:38:49 <asher^> ah ok
767 2011-07-28 12:38:58 <asher^> what reasons are there for rejecting a share?
768 2011-07-28 12:39:09 <asher^> just stale? or others too
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770 2011-07-28 12:40:04 <diki> stale, not in the worker log, h not zero
771 2011-07-28 12:40:08 <diki> duplicate
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774 2011-07-28 12:40:54 <asher^> ok
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777 2011-07-28 12:41:03 <asher^> thanks
778 2011-07-28 12:42:24 <diki> trying to make a pool?
779 2011-07-28 12:43:10 <diki> honestly, i also once wanted to make, i setup pushpool all fine and dandy, started writing the front end which is where i realized it wasnt as easy as i thought it would be
780 2011-07-28 12:43:18 <asher^> not trying, no :p i was just looking through the logs and wondered what the difference was. that explanation makes perfect sense though
781 2011-07-28 12:43:18 <diki> *to make a pool
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783 2011-07-28 12:45:46 <diki> wow, bitcoin doesnt support multiple instances
784 2011-07-28 12:45:48 <diki> sucks...
785 2011-07-28 12:46:04 <asher^> why would you want multiple instances?
786 2011-07-28 12:46:20 <diki> just because :P
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789 2011-07-28 12:49:09 <UukGoblin> asher^, because there isn't enough coin control in one instance...
790 2011-07-28 12:49:30 <UukGoblin> if you want to move your bitcoins around a bit in order to launder them, you need separate system users and separate bitcoin instances therein
791 2011-07-28 12:49:56 <diki> i just need another instance running with different wallets ofc
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794 2011-07-28 12:54:42 <UukGoblin> bitcoin launderer!
795 2011-07-28 12:56:09 <diki> i just need to move around 25k of bitcoins
796 2011-07-28 12:56:52 <diki> which i got from installing a trojan on EVERY bitcoin user i could get my hands on
797 2011-07-28 12:56:55 <xelister> diki: try forklift
798 2011-07-28 12:56:56 <xelister> trololo
799 2011-07-28 12:56:57 <diki> i am rich haha
800 2011-07-28 12:57:21 <UukGoblin> 25k bitcoins doesn't make one rich, yet :-[
801 2011-07-28 12:57:35 <UukGoblin> can't even buy a proper house for $300k
802 2011-07-28 12:57:45 <diki> i think it's enough for 50-60 years for me
803 2011-07-28 12:58:11 <UukGoblin> 50-60 years of moderate-standard living... perhaps
804 2011-07-28 12:58:23 <mtrlt> and that's enough time for you to upload yourself to the internet :P
805 2011-07-28 12:58:50 <UukGoblin> mtrlt, that's difficult to say...
806 2011-07-28 12:58:56 <UukGoblin> you might need specialised hardware for that...
807 2011-07-28 12:58:57 <mtrlt> yea
808 2011-07-28 12:59:20 <UukGoblin> and to build such hardware, you might need money...
809 2011-07-28 12:59:29 <UukGoblin> also a question: when do you cash out your 25k btc
810 2011-07-28 12:59:34 <mtrlt> well with 25kBTC , you can make a lot more :P
811 2011-07-28 12:59:37 <diki> like right now
812 2011-07-28 12:59:42 <UukGoblin> if you do it now, you risk real-currency inflation making you poor
813 2011-07-28 12:59:55 <UukGoblin> if you wait, you risk bitcoin being made illegal / losing popularity
814 2011-07-28 13:00:18 <phedny> so.. cash out partly
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816 2011-07-28 13:00:19 <mtrlt> solution: do it little by little
817 2011-07-28 13:00:21 <mtrlt> starting from now
818 2011-07-28 13:00:27 <xelister> UukGoblin: if they delegalize btc
819 2011-07-28 13:00:38 <xelister> UukGoblin: they can suck btc-over-freenet's balls =) #btcfn
820 2011-07-28 13:00:49 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ping
821 2011-07-28 13:00:56 <asher^> anyone know why bitcoind is using fees for transactions when getinfo shows that its set to 0?
822 2011-07-28 13:01:05 <UukGoblin> xelister, yeah, where would you exchange your BOFs to $ though?
823 2011-07-28 13:01:31 <xelister> UukGoblin: at exchange
824 2011-07-28 13:01:37 <UukGoblin> xelister, which is illegal?
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826 2011-07-28 13:01:42 <xelister> UukGoblin: or for maximum security, just keep converting to goods
827 2011-07-28 13:01:50 <phedny> UukGoblin: maybe in US.. but TH is in Chili ;)
828 2011-07-28 13:01:53 <UukGoblin> via illegal trading?
829 2011-07-28 13:02:02 <phedny> UukGoblin: and B7 is in Bulgary
830 2011-07-28 13:02:02 <xelister> UukGoblin: drugs are illegal. OH NO NOWHERE CAN I GET DRUGS!!!1 trololololooooo
831 2011-07-28 13:02:36 <xelister> I can not get illegal drugs and hookers in prison oh no... wait... =)
832 2011-07-28 13:02:57 <diki> xelister:it's OH NOEZ actually
833 2011-07-28 13:03:13 <UukGoblin> yeah it's spelled with a EZ
834 2011-07-28 13:03:57 <xelister> :o
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845 2011-07-28 13:28:59 <asher^> is it normal behaviour for bitcoind to send with transaction fees even if you have set paytxfee to 0?
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847 2011-07-28 13:29:34 <UukGoblin> asher^, I know it was in ~0.3.21, unsure whether recent fixes changed it
848 2011-07-28 13:29:49 <asher^> running .23 at the moment
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851 2011-07-28 13:32:21 <asher^> actually sorry im runnin .24 :-|
852 2011-07-28 13:33:29 <BlueMatt> yes, that is how it works
853 2011-07-28 13:34:12 <BlueMatt> only if you make a tx from a bunch of small inputs, recent inputs, or a massive number of inputs/outputs though
854 2011-07-28 13:34:18 <asher^> BlueMatt can you explain a bit more? does it default to some minimum value or something like that?
855 2011-07-28 13:34:41 <BlueMatt> see ,,(bc,wiki Transaction Fees)
856 2011-07-28 13:34:41 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees | 5 days ago ... Transaction fees may be included with any transfer of bitcoins from one address to another. At the moment, many transactions are typically ...
857 2011-07-28 13:36:28 <asher^> thanks
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859 2011-07-28 13:38:29 <asher^> so if i set to 0.00 it will default to the minimum?
860 2011-07-28 13:39:08 <BlueMatt> yes, and that minimum is typically 0.00, unless you are doing something crazy
861 2011-07-28 13:39:16 <BlueMatt> s/typically/almost always
862 2011-07-28 13:39:23 <asher^> ok
863 2011-07-28 13:39:34 <asher^> i just sent a small test transaction and it charged 0.0195
864 2011-07-28 13:40:01 <BlueMatt> thats by no means a small transaction then
865 2011-07-28 13:40:06 <BlueMatt> in fact, that is a huge transaction
866 2011-07-28 13:40:11 <diki> why are the more recent blocks downloaded much slower?
867 2011-07-28 13:40:23 <asher^> what determins transaction size?
868 2011-07-28 13:40:26 <diki> you guys do know that with my current connection i can download a few gigs of data for just a few minuites
869 2011-07-28 13:40:29 <diki> *minutes
870 2011-07-28 13:40:34 <BlueMatt> asher^: number of inputs
871 2011-07-28 13:40:40 <diki> bitcoin < a few gigs
872 2011-07-28 13:41:01 <b4epoche_> and how fast can the other nodes upload?
873 2011-07-28 13:41:27 <diki> then they better pay for better internet
874 2011-07-28 13:41:28 <asher^> BlueMatt on blockexplorer there is only one input listed... or do i have a misunderstanding of how that works?
875 2011-07-28 13:41:30 <diki> like i do
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877 2011-07-28 13:41:51 <b4epoche_> maybe you could subsidize it
878 2011-07-28 13:41:56 <BlueMatt> asher^: whats the txid?
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880 2011-07-28 13:42:01 <asher^> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/f286fdd7f4756e650515a886ba8836e0079f0d1a60556376c14effad3d1e30d0
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882 2011-07-28 13:42:20 <BlueMatt> the bitcoin client wont force that fee
883 2011-07-28 13:42:34 <BlueMatt> your client is misconfigured or something
884 2011-07-28 13:43:15 <b4epoche_> asher^: fwiw, that is a huge fee
885 2011-07-28 13:43:29 <diki> b4epoche:they got bitcoins they better do it themselves
886 2011-07-28 13:43:43 <asher^> BlueMatt: "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
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888 2011-07-28 13:44:03 <b4epoche_> maybe they'd rather spend their money on other stuff instead of helping you
889 2011-07-28 13:44:21 <diki> this is for them to help themselves
890 2011-07-28 13:44:38 <diki> if in the future the blockchain is > 5gbs...
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892 2011-07-28 13:44:43 <diki> i dont see them there anytime soon
893 2011-07-28 13:45:01 <BlueMatt> asher^: I dont know what to say, there is no logic in the bitcoin client that would ever force a fee > 0.01 unless it is of massive size (which yours clearly isnt), and at that point it will probably just hit the size limit
894 2011-07-28 13:45:05 <b4epoche_> 5 gbs?
895 2011-07-28 13:45:09 <b4epoche_> 5 GB?
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897 2011-07-28 13:45:18 <asher^> :-|
898 2011-07-28 13:45:26 <asher^> is this one typical? http://blockexplorer.com/tx/329ef8881c42b01a92f6dc6c9333eda98081ff298e6f8b98a180264a7d662c6e
899 2011-07-28 13:45:27 <diki> erm, yeah typo
900 2011-07-28 13:45:32 <diki> 5GiB
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902 2011-07-28 13:45:52 <BlueMatt> asher^: it used to be in <=0.3.22
903 2011-07-28 13:47:19 <asher^> ok
904 2011-07-28 13:53:56 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
905 2011-07-28 13:53:57 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":14,"low":13.56,"avg":13.793553144,"vwap":13.772416267,"vol":23922,"last":13.59,"buy":13.59001,"sell":13.64456}}
906 2011-07-28 13:55:43 <gmaxwell> 0.0695 - 0.05 output = 0.0195 - 0.01 fee (older client?) = 0.0095 which is less than 0.01 change, considered unspendable and converted into a fee.
907 2011-07-28 13:58:14 <BlueMatt> he said he was using 0.3.24
908 2011-07-28 13:58:18 <gmaxwell> So that doesn't sound surprising to me at all. That whole dust elimination logic should be improved by adding inputs when there is room, which would also help sweep inputs out of the wallet.
909 2011-07-28 13:58:30 <BlueMatt> if he wasnt, the yea 0.01 fee + lower then 0.01 left so it gets added to fee
910 2011-07-28 13:58:37 <gmaxwell> oh well, I don't see how this would happen with 0.3.24 hm
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912 2011-07-28 13:59:01 <gmaxwell> bcecause 0.019 > 0.01
913 2011-07-28 13:59:15 <asher^> ive got it worked out, thanks guys :-| the version is not the latest like i had been told
914 2011-07-28 13:59:18 <asher^> we are fixing now
915 2011-07-28 14:03:02 <he1kki> Has anyone tried to install bitcoin-qt (https://github.com/laanwj/bitcoin-qt) to N900? ATM I'm installing Qt SDK and hoping that it just works and it knows how to compile it to N900...
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918 2011-07-28 14:11:02 <InabaEMC> So I was reading over this thread: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=724.20 but I don't seem to see the getblockbyhash patch in the .24 source. ?
919 2011-07-28 14:11:32 <BlueMatt> its not
920 2011-07-28 14:12:05 <InabaEMC> What happened in that regards?
921 2011-07-28 14:12:26 <BlueMatt> its not necessary for 99.999% of users, so it isnt gonna get merged (right now)
922 2011-07-28 14:12:44 <InabaEMC> Ah got it
923 2011-07-28 14:13:24 <InabaEMC> Is there a patch with that somewhere still?
924 2011-07-28 14:13:51 <BlueMatt> not sure if jgarzik maintains it, but the original patch might very well still apply cleanly
925 2011-07-28 14:17:13 <InabaEMC> Not in his repository rats
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927 2011-07-28 14:18:43 <InabaEMC> Found it, he has it stuffed in a different branch
928 2011-07-28 14:19:09 <sacarlson> diki: did you ever get your multi instance working, I have up to 5 different nets running with bitcoind in multicoin so I know it works
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934 2011-07-28 14:25:15 <diki> on windows
935 2011-07-28 14:25:17 <diki> ?
936 2011-07-28 14:25:32 <sacarlson> diki: no I only run linux
937 2011-07-28 14:25:48 <BlueMatt> lol, people still run windows?
938 2011-07-28 14:25:55 <diki> it's the dominating os
939 2011-07-28 14:26:02 <diki> Windows > Mac > Linux
940 2011-07-28 14:26:08 <BlueMatt> hehe, ok then
941 2011-07-28 14:26:10 <diki> it allows gaming
942 2011-07-28 14:26:13 <diki> dx9,dx11
943 2011-07-28 14:26:26 <diki> has better gui
944 2011-07-28 14:26:29 <sacarlson> diki: you can run linux in windows with virtualbox
945 2011-07-28 14:26:30 <NorthLite> there some nice games for linux too
946 2011-07-28 14:26:30 <diki> better effects
947 2011-07-28 14:26:38 <diki> sacarlson:i am doing that atm
948 2011-07-28 14:26:43 <diki> my vm with bitcoin in it
949 2011-07-28 14:26:57 <diki> NorthLite:i dont remeber crysis 2 being in the list
950 2011-07-28 14:26:58 <BlueMatt> thats literally the only thing windows is good for - gaming, but now with direct vm io, you can game in a windows vm in linux with no perf. hit, so why you would run windows, I just dont get
951 2011-07-28 14:27:18 <diki> It's just better
952 2011-07-28 14:27:23 <diki> linux is good only for coders
953 2011-07-28 14:27:23 <sacarlson> diki: that's all you need for bitcoind it should run fine in virtualbox
954 2011-07-28 14:27:36 <diki> it's not ready at all for the mainstream
955 2011-07-28 14:27:52 <diki> who in the right mind would want to type commands in a terminal to get what he wants?
956 2011-07-28 14:28:08 <NorthLite> diki: when it will be used bu the mainstream it will probably degrade
957 2011-07-28 14:28:09 <mtrlt> who wants to navigate endless wizards? :P
958 2011-07-28 14:28:12 <sacarlson> diki: in linux? it's 99% gui
959 2011-07-28 14:28:20 <diki> nah
960 2011-07-28 14:28:20 <BlueMatt> diki: that was true of linux 20 years ago, not any more
961 2011-07-28 14:28:22 <diki> not all the time
962 2011-07-28 14:28:24 <mtrlt> linux? 99% gui? :P
963 2011-07-28 14:28:40 <mtrlt> sacarlson: which distro are you talking about
964 2011-07-28 14:28:48 <diki> it's just that for now windows has the better features minus the advanced security
965 2011-07-28 14:29:01 <sacarlson> mtrlt: for none geeks you can run gui 100% I still use cli
966 2011-07-28 14:29:12 <NorthLite> linux is more eyecandy than windows
967 2011-07-28 14:29:20 <NorthLite> enlightenment for example
968 2011-07-28 14:29:23 <diki> candy-ass?
969 2011-07-28 14:29:27 <sacarlson> mtrlt: you ever try qtcreator?
970 2011-07-28 14:29:46 <BlueMatt> there are 20,000 linux guis
971 2011-07-28 14:29:48 <mtrlt> nope
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973 2011-07-28 14:29:57 <BlueMatt> and probably 20 of them are better than windows for 90% of people
974 2011-07-28 14:30:04 <mtrlt> i don't do gui programming, it sux. qtcreator probably doesn't suck, though :P
975 2011-07-28 14:30:04 <diki> not to mention to instal the ati drivers you need to do a ton of shit
976 2011-07-28 14:30:07 <diki> that need the command line
977 2011-07-28 14:30:08 <sacarlson> mtrlt: well maybe that's why your still stuck in cli
978 2011-07-28 14:30:10 <NorthLite> BlueMatt: exactly
979 2011-07-28 14:30:12 <diki> in windows it's just a few clicks away
980 2011-07-28 14:30:16 <BlueMatt> nope, linux drivers work great for the past many years
981 2011-07-28 14:30:22 <BlueMatt> better driver support than windows even
982 2011-07-28 14:30:26 <diki> read again matt
983 2011-07-28 14:30:28 <diki> i didnt say that
984 2011-07-28 14:30:34 <diki> i said, you dont need a terminal to installl it
985 2011-07-28 14:30:43 <BlueMatt> neither do I
986 2011-07-28 14:30:49 <BlueMatt> ive never used terminal to install a driver
987 2011-07-28 14:30:52 <BlueMatt> I plug it in, it works
988 2011-07-28 14:30:53 <diki> you dont have to do tar -xwhatever
989 2011-07-28 14:30:56 <BlueMatt> in fact Ive never installed a driver
990 2011-07-28 14:30:57 <NorthLite> i like installing from terminal
991 2011-07-28 14:31:02 <BlueMatt> on windows, I have 20,000 times
992 2011-07-28 14:31:07 <NorthLite> in cli you can do things much faster
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994 2011-07-28 14:31:14 <diki> in linux, most of the hardware potential is not used
995 2011-07-28 14:31:17 <mtrlt> NorthLite: if you remember the commands off the top of yer head
996 2011-07-28 14:31:20 <BlueMatt> linux, the only driver Ive ever installed is nvidia/amd drivers
997 2011-07-28 14:31:25 <BlueMatt> and those I install via gui
998 2011-07-28 14:31:30 <mtrlt> NorthLite: if not, it's infinite google+man :P
999 2011-07-28 14:31:32 <BlueMatt> in linux, hardware usage is 100x better than windows
1000 2011-07-28 14:31:35 <sacarlson> NorthLite: that's true no waste in eye candy
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1002 2011-07-28 14:31:42 <NorthLite> mtrlt: :)
1003 2011-07-28 14:31:44 <diki> not to mention the fonts suck
1004 2011-07-28 14:31:46 <BlueMatt> can you do aes drive encryption with intel's aes instructions in windows? no
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1006 2011-07-28 14:31:59 <diki> the screen space is much smaller even at 1080p
1007 2011-07-28 14:32:02 <BlueMatt> fonts suck? they are the same damn fonts if you want
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1009 2011-07-28 14:32:10 <diki> bluematt:they look different
1010 2011-07-28 14:32:11 <BlueMatt> the screen space is better than windows 7
1011 2011-07-28 14:32:17 <BlueMatt> ok, so install the windows fonts
1012 2011-07-28 14:32:18 <diki> proof?
1013 2011-07-28 14:32:19 <BlueMatt> its not hard
1014 2011-07-28 14:32:19 <sacarlson> diki: microsoft opened there fonts most people use there fonts or have them
1015 2011-07-28 14:32:38 <diki> it's piss easy to tell that the screen space is much smaller
1016 2011-07-28 14:32:57 <BlueMatt> diki: my os uses 24-pixel bar of my screen and I get the rest, with windows 7 its a 64-pixel bar
1017 2011-07-28 14:33:06 <BlueMatt> so...I get more screen space with linux
1018 2011-07-28 14:33:18 <diki> the windows of programs are also twice as big
1019 2011-07-28 14:33:26 <BlueMatt> they are identical
1020 2011-07-28 14:33:30 <BlueMatt> you can resize them you know
1021 2011-07-28 14:33:32 <mtrlt> when i've used linux, one of the bigger problem has been that it doesn't indicate whether it's doing anything
1022 2011-07-28 14:33:32 <diki> no they're not
1023 2011-07-28 14:33:37 <diki> lol
1024 2011-07-28 14:33:39 <diki> haha
1025 2011-07-28 14:33:42 <mtrlt> like when i start a program, nothing happens
1026 2011-07-28 14:33:52 <diki> yeah, i start bitcoin and dont know if it is actually running
1027 2011-07-28 14:33:52 <BlueMatt> diki: you clearly dont know anything about linux
1028 2011-07-28 14:33:54 <mtrlt> and then after half a minute, suddenly a window
1029 2011-07-28 14:34:00 <diki> bluematt:dont need to either
1030 2011-07-28 14:34:06 <diki> mtrlt:i feel ya
1031 2011-07-28 14:34:21 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: yea, that is sort of true, though modern distros do spin the mouse to indicate loading of a program
1032 2011-07-28 14:34:43 <sacarlson> mtrlt: every program is different. most come up faster on my 4 year old linux than on my next door nabors 1.5 year old running win7
1033 2011-07-28 14:35:00 <BlueMatt> diki: well considering everything you've said about linux so far is easily provable to be false, Id say you dont know the first thing about linux
1034 2011-07-28 14:35:07 <mtrlt> but at least widnows tells me it's doing something
1035 2011-07-28 14:35:10 <sacarlson> mtrlt: so I have slower hardware that runs faster
1036 2011-07-28 14:35:12 <diki> how can it be proved false?
1037 2011-07-28 14:35:13 <BlueMatt> in fact, considering 90% of the stuff you say about computers is flat out wrong...
1038 2011-07-28 14:35:22 <diki> the linux fanboy obviously...never used windows either
1039 2011-07-28 14:35:29 <diki> which part matt?
1040 2011-07-28 14:35:32 <diki> which part is wrong?
1041 2011-07-28 14:35:33 <BlueMatt> I dual boot windows and load it in vms all the time
1042 2011-07-28 14:35:50 <diki> then just stay with window slol
1043 2011-07-28 14:35:51 <BlueMatt> I never said it doesnt have uses, I said its good for gaming (until I get my socket-2011 board :)
1044 2011-07-28 14:36:05 <BlueMatt> but it sucks for general useage compared to windows
1045 2011-07-28 14:36:13 <diki> yeah...i would switch to intel if prices were waaay lower
1046 2011-07-28 14:36:39 <mtrlt> also, the lack of a good IDE for coding is kinda meh :p
1047 2011-07-28 14:36:41 <mtrlt> for linux.
1048 2011-07-28 14:36:43 * BlueMatt knew it was a bad idea to try to carry on a conversation with diki
1049 2011-07-28 14:36:45 <mtrlt> and no, vim is not an ide
1050 2011-07-28 14:36:58 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: what ide do you use on windows?
1051 2011-07-28 14:37:01 <mtrlt> visual studio
1052 2011-07-28 14:37:03 <diki> neither is notepad++ but it it's damn good
1053 2011-07-28 14:37:04 <mtrlt> it's clunky, yes
1054 2011-07-28 14:37:07 <diki> for windows ofc
1055 2011-07-28 14:37:20 <DD-> rofl
1056 2011-07-28 14:37:26 <sacarlson> mtrlt: qtcreator is an IDE isn't it?
1057 2011-07-28 14:37:27 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: well if you think visual studio is good, then there are plenty that are pretty similar for linux
1058 2011-07-28 14:37:33 <BlueMatt> netbeans qtcreator, etc
1059 2011-07-28 14:37:43 <mtrlt> well i gotta try it then :P
1060 2011-07-28 14:37:43 <edcba> pretty similar ?
1061 2011-07-28 14:37:46 <senseles> why would anyone want to use linux for a desktop
1062 2011-07-28 14:37:53 <diki> ah, a comrade
1063 2011-07-28 14:38:01 <BlueMatt> edcba: in terms of overall useability
1064 2011-07-28 14:38:03 <senseles> on the flip side
1065 2011-07-28 14:38:09 <senseles> why would anyone want to use windows for a server
1066 2011-07-28 14:38:14 <mtrlt> i'd also like to be able to make plugins easily
1067 2011-07-28 14:38:16 <mtrlt> to the ide
1068 2011-07-28 14:38:20 <edcba> can you code in c# with them ? :)
1069 2011-07-28 14:38:21 <BlueMatt> why would anyone want to use windows for a 24/7 desktop, I dont know
1070 2011-07-28 14:38:30 <MaggyO> lawl
1071 2011-07-28 14:38:33 <sacarlson> mtrlt: you people are living as if you haven't seen linux for 13 years, it gets better every day
1072 2011-07-28 14:38:35 <mtrlt> like one keyboard shortcut and it asks me a class name and adds it to the project
1073 2011-07-28 14:38:46 <mtrlt> sacarlson: true, i haven't used linux in a while
1074 2011-07-28 14:38:48 <BlueMatt> mac, I can understand, linux I use, windows...god Ill never go back there
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1076 2011-07-28 14:38:53 <mtrlt> sacarlson: i think the last time was in 2007 or 2008 tho :p
1077 2011-07-28 14:39:10 <senseles> most applications are widely available for windows desktop, my screen is pretty which make coding on my ultraedit32 text editor ..
1078 2011-07-28 14:39:13 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: I probably wouldnt have used linux full-time then either
1079 2011-07-28 14:39:22 <senseles> plugging linux into a 32" sony bravia 1080p would be a crime
1080 2011-07-28 14:39:38 <BlueMatt> why?
1081 2011-07-28 14:39:49 <BlueMatt> the only thing I use windows for these days is gaming
1082 2011-07-28 14:39:55 <senseles> because it would look kind of like OSX
1083 2011-07-28 14:39:58 <diki> not to mention dxva(directx video acceleration) probabloy works only on windows
1084 2011-07-28 14:40:11 <BlueMatt> diki: you realize that isnt an argument
1085 2011-07-28 14:40:21 <BlueMatt> some crappy tech that is on windows isnt an argument for windows
1086 2011-07-28 14:40:27 <diki> why is it not?
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1088 2011-07-28 14:40:34 <senseles> gaming is a pretty big reason, but there are still many programs not available on linux
1089 2011-07-28 14:40:36 <diki> it's a valuable feature for single core processor wanting to watch 1080p
1090 2011-07-28 14:40:49 <BlueMatt> you get similar stuff on linux
1091 2011-07-28 14:40:53 <BlueMatt> better, actually, but whatever
1092 2011-07-28 14:40:54 <diki> which is?
1093 2011-07-28 14:41:01 <DD-> why u even bother BlueMatt
1094 2011-07-28 14:41:07 <mtrlt> BlueMatt: you're still carrying on a conversation with diki. just saying. :P
1095 2011-07-28 14:41:09 <senseles> i dont know ive been using linux for like 20 years, ive tried using it at home as a desktop before
1096 2011-07-28 14:41:16 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: damn it
1097 2011-07-28 14:41:23 <DD-> its obvious these clowns havent touched linux, or atleast not in the last 5 yrs
1098 2011-07-28 14:41:26 <senseles> it always ends up that i have to spend a stupid amount of time getting something working which should work just with a double click
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1101 2011-07-28 14:42:12 <senseles> DD-: i've got something like 17 linux boxes online right now
1102 2011-07-28 14:42:12 <diki> bluematt:you just cant accept that windows will always > linux even if it's 10 years from now
1103 2011-07-28 14:42:19 <senseles> all at console like they should be
1104 2011-07-28 14:42:21 <diki> i care not about the advanced security linux has
1105 2011-07-28 14:42:24 <sacarlson> senseles: my secrete to linux is don't upgrade till you need to
1106 2011-07-28 14:42:28 <mtrlt> BlueMatt, sacarlson: what distros do you use?
1107 2011-07-28 14:42:33 <diki> it asks for a pass like 99 percent of the time
1108 2011-07-28 14:42:38 <sacarlson> mtrlt: I use ubuntu 10.04
1109 2011-07-28 14:42:49 <mtrlt> diki: yea that sux
1110 2011-07-28 14:42:50 <BlueMatt> diki: you seriously have never touched linux have you?
1111 2011-07-28 14:42:58 <DD-> congratulations senseles
1112 2011-07-28 14:42:59 <diki> stop denying it bluematt
1113 2011-07-28 14:43:08 <senseles> thanks :D
1114 2011-07-28 14:43:12 <senseles> do i win a prize?
1115 2011-07-28 14:43:12 <BlueMatt> diki: make an argument I cant refute in one sentence
1116 2011-07-28 14:43:15 <diki> increasing swap on linux is too hard
1117 2011-07-28 14:43:20 <DD-> and imma stay out of this pointless discussion from now on ^_^
1118 2011-07-28 14:43:22 <diki> doing it on windows is a few clicks away
1119 2011-07-28 14:43:39 <DD-> tho what diki just said is, well
1120 2011-07-28 14:43:41 <DD-> funny?
1121 2011-07-28 14:43:42 <senseles> increasing swap on linux is 3 text commands
1122 2011-07-28 14:43:45 <mtrlt> windows swap always fragments if you don't make a dedicated partition
1123 2011-07-28 14:43:53 <diki> text commands...
1124 2011-07-28 14:43:54 <mtrlt> and boom, then you get the same problem
1125 2011-07-28 14:43:56 <diki> i dont like to write stuff
1126 2011-07-28 14:44:09 <BlueMatt> windows cant use swap to save its life
1127 2011-07-28 14:44:09 <diki> in fact just firing up a python program requires me to type
1128 2011-07-28 14:44:22 <BlueMatt> so terribly implemented
1129 2011-07-28 14:44:24 <diki> let alone a miner with a lot of arguments
1130 2011-07-28 14:44:26 <sacarlson> senseles: you can do it in the nice gui, but it's almost never needed since the auto setup does it correct the first time
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1132 2011-07-28 14:44:47 <nanotube> now we know who the target audience for tablets is - people like diki who don't like typing.
1133 2011-07-28 14:44:49 <BlueMatt> actually, palmipset, or whatever its called can do it well in a nice gui
1134 2011-07-28 14:44:57 <BlueMatt> "Disk Utility" on ubuntu
1135 2011-07-28 14:45:00 <b4epoche_> OSX rulez!!!!
1136 2011-07-28 14:45:06 <nanotube> i always wondered what you'd do on a computer without a keyboard :)
1137 2011-07-28 14:45:16 <mtrlt> lol
1138 2011-07-28 14:45:22 <diki> if i could remove the keyboard and just pass on brain waves....
1139 2011-07-28 14:45:25 <diki> it'd make my life easier
1140 2011-07-28 14:45:36 <mtrlt> my n810 ("nokia internet tablet") does have a keyboard, tho :-P
1141 2011-07-28 14:46:04 <senseles> ill tell you one thing
1142 2011-07-28 14:46:11 <senseles> bitcoin is easier to get running on windows than linux
1143 2011-07-28 14:46:15 <b4epoche_> I'd like hardware/OS that could track my (eye) focus and change keyboard to eye focus
1144 2011-07-28 14:46:16 <mtrlt> and hmm. the N810 _is_ a place i've used linux in for the last 3 years :P
1145 2011-07-28 14:46:20 <diki> but bitcoin is still slow
1146 2011-07-28 14:46:23 <diki> and i blame the coders
1147 2011-07-28 14:46:23 <mtrlt> not daily but almost
1148 2011-07-28 14:46:28 <senseles> lol
1149 2011-07-28 14:46:44 <diki> my old rig boots up faster
1150 2011-07-28 14:46:45 <nanotube> senseles: you mean, double-clicking on the bitcoin executable is easier on windows? why, because you don't have a mouse on linux and have to type ./bitcoin ? :)
1151 2011-07-28 14:47:02 <senseles> nanotube: because i dont have to spend 24 hours trying to get it to compile under centos
1152 2011-07-28 14:47:14 <BlueMatt> solution: dont use centos
1153 2011-07-28 14:47:14 <nanotube> senseles: well, your own fault for choosing centos :)
1154 2011-07-28 14:47:32 <nanotube> it's got 5 year old packages of everything
1155 2011-07-28 14:47:40 <senseles> works well
1156 2011-07-28 14:47:56 <senseles> the only hack i have to worry about is ssh brute force
1157 2011-07-28 14:48:08 <BlueMatt> solution: get a stronger password
1158 2011-07-28 14:48:13 <senseles> and, if the coders would compile on older versions of glibc, etc which would still work just fine
1159 2011-07-28 14:48:21 <senseles> bluematt: or just firewall the box and change ssh port
1160 2011-07-28 14:48:22 <BlueMatt> or, even better, use key auth instead of password
1161 2011-07-28 14:48:28 <gmaxwell> senseles: how long did it take you to compile it on windows?
1162 2011-07-28 14:48:33 <senseles> bluematt: i was not saying it was a problem just that it was my only one
1163 2011-07-28 14:48:39 <mtrlt> compiling anything under windows is a major PITA :P
1164 2011-07-28 14:49:00 <BlueMatt> oh god, I feel sorry for any people trying to code on windows
1165 2011-07-28 14:49:01 <senseles> gmaxwell: i didn't because i don't have to worry about compatibility issues between versions of windows so i could use the standard client
1166 2011-07-28 14:49:07 <mtrlt> it's not the coding that sucks
1167 2011-07-28 14:49:10 <MaggyO> haha BlueMatt
1168 2011-07-28 14:49:11 <BlueMatt> I mean you wonder why so many windows applications suck soooo bad
1169 2011-07-28 14:49:14 <MaggyO> Windows has the best ide
1170 2011-07-28 14:49:14 <mtrlt> but if you've gotta compile something someone else did
1171 2011-07-28 14:49:22 <mtrlt> with arcane libraries you have to hunt
1172 2011-07-28 14:49:24 <gmaxwell> senseles: You should be able to use the binaries in linux tooâ they are static.
1173 2011-07-28 14:49:25 <mtrlt> to the ends of the internet
1174 2011-07-28 14:49:29 <BlueMatt> MaggyO: keep telling yourself that
1175 2011-07-28 14:49:34 <MaggyO> BlueMatt: what do you use?
1176 2011-07-28 14:49:49 <senseles> gmaxwell: they toss glibc complaints. so far the binary i made on centos works on any distribution i tried.
1177 2011-07-28 14:49:56 <BlueMatt> personally, I use gedit and make, but I use netbeans occasionally
1178 2011-07-28 14:50:04 <MaggyO> haha gedit? seriously
1179 2011-07-28 14:50:10 <BlueMatt> yea, thats not an ide
1180 2011-07-28 14:50:17 * b4epoche_ is going to say "OSX RULEZ!!!!!" every 10 seconds until this conversation stops
1181 2011-07-28 14:50:18 <BlueMatt> but that doesnt mean that there arent good options
1182 2011-07-28 14:50:22 <MaggyO> have you ever used visual studio?
1183 2011-07-28 14:50:24 <BlueMatt> yes
1184 2011-07-28 14:50:26 <BlueMatt> I hate it
1185 2011-07-28 14:50:27 <gmaxwell> "pico is the ultimate editor!!!"
1186 2011-07-28 14:50:29 <MaggyO> haha
1187 2011-07-28 14:50:31 <MaggyO> ok
1188 2011-07-28 14:50:36 <senseles> ultraedit is the ultimate editor
1189 2011-07-28 14:50:39 <nanotube> ed
1190 2011-07-28 14:50:44 <cjdelisle> heh
1191 2011-07-28 14:50:44 <BlueMatt> but that might just be that I generally dont like most ides
1192 2011-07-28 14:50:46 <b4epoche_> OSX RULEZ!!!!!
1193 2011-07-28 14:50:46 <MaggyO> i now use code blocks because it makes my cross platform apps easier to port
1194 2011-07-28 14:50:52 <MaggyO> but MSVC is the best ide i have used so far
1195 2011-07-28 14:50:58 <gmaxwell> Ed is the tired old standard editor. Pico is real ultimate power.
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1197 2011-07-28 14:51:00 <mtrlt> MaggyO: have you tried visual assist?
1198 2011-07-28 14:51:06 <MaggyO> yes i have that
1199 2011-07-28 14:51:07 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: I prefer nano
1200 2011-07-28 14:51:14 <b4epoche_> OSX RULEZ!!!!!
1201 2011-07-28 14:51:18 <mtrlt> MaggyO: it makes VC a bit more tolerable :P
1202 2011-07-28 14:51:22 <mtrlt> VS
1203 2011-07-28 14:51:26 <nanotube> BlueMatt: zomg, i like nano too. wonder why. haha
1204 2011-07-28 14:51:33 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: I'm trolling. :)
1205 2011-07-28 14:51:36 <diki> i like the nanosuit
1206 2011-07-28 14:51:38 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: as was I
1207 2011-07-28 14:51:45 <MaggyO> mtrlt: the debugging in MSVC puts everything else to shame
1208 2011-07-28 14:51:55 <mtrlt> MaggyO: i hardly debug so :-)
1209 2011-07-28 14:52:01 <MaggyO> haha ok
1210 2011-07-28 14:52:06 <nanotube> b4epoche_: looks like your osx comment is falling on deaf ears^Weyes. :)
1211 2011-07-28 14:52:09 <MaggyO> why would you on linux when its nearly impossible
1212 2011-07-28 14:52:16 <BlueMatt> I have no problem with people who use windows if they actually know what they are doing, but its fairly rare to find someone who fits that description
1213 2011-07-28 14:52:27 <b4epoche_> OSX RULEZ!!!!!
1214 2011-07-28 14:52:28 <diki> and what would that doing be?
1215 2011-07-28 14:52:33 <BlueMatt> MaggyO: yea, thats just wrong
1216 2011-07-28 14:52:40 <b4epoche_> nanotube: someone will eventually get sick of it ;-)
1217 2011-07-28 14:52:42 <diki> Linux=boredom
1218 2011-07-28 14:52:49 <diki> i'll be bored to death
1219 2011-07-28 14:52:56 <BlueMatt> diki == fucking retarded
1220 2011-07-28 14:53:00 <MaggyO> BlueMatt: the X server locking itself every 3 seconds debugging an opengl app
1221 2011-07-28 14:53:02 <MaggyO> ever done that?
1222 2011-07-28 14:53:08 <BlueMatt> never seen that
1223 2011-07-28 14:53:19 <b4epoche_> OSX RULEZ!!!!!
1224 2011-07-28 14:53:21 <mtrlt> but it's because of the tainted drivers! certianly!
1225 2011-07-28 14:53:21 <BlueMatt> yea, used to happen...like 10 years ago
1226 2011-07-28 14:53:24 <mtrlt> certainly.
1227 2011-07-28 14:53:32 <mtrlt> >_>
1228 2011-07-28 14:53:32 <MaggyO> hows that new X server thing coming along
1229 2011-07-28 14:53:35 <MaggyO> i forget the name
1230 2011-07-28 14:53:39 <mtrlt> Y?
1231 2011-07-28 14:53:45 <BlueMatt> you mean the alternative
1232 2011-07-28 14:53:48 <MaggyO> some Vista esque thing
1233 2011-07-28 14:53:50 <BlueMatt> meh, X works great tbh
1234 2011-07-28 14:53:56 <MaggyO> haha
1235 2011-07-28 14:54:00 <BlueMatt> oh you mean stuff on top of X
1236 2011-07-28 14:54:04 <BlueMatt> well there are 20,000 of those
1237 2011-07-28 14:54:07 <MaggyO> it may work great but X is like some piece of crap to write for
1238 2011-07-28 14:54:12 <BlueMatt> Ive never had a problem with X
1239 2011-07-28 14:54:28 <MaggyO> how much have you developed?
1240 2011-07-28 14:54:34 <BlueMatt> you dont code for X
1241 2011-07-28 14:54:39 <BlueMatt> you code for wx or qt
1242 2011-07-28 14:54:50 <BlueMatt> no one codes for X, thats just stupid
1243 2011-07-28 14:54:55 <MaggyO> right
1244 2011-07-28 14:55:05 <MaggyO> so i say X sucks, and then you say its great but you havent used it
1245 2011-07-28 14:55:18 <BlueMatt> no, I mean using it is great, not coding for its libraries
1246 2011-07-28 14:55:20 <MaggyO> check out sdl
1247 2011-07-28 14:55:21 <BlueMatt> no, Id agree that sucks
1248 2011-07-28 14:55:25 <MaggyO> and its X vs Windows code
1249 2011-07-28 14:55:31 <MaggyO> X is crap
1250 2011-07-28 14:55:44 <MaggyO> i heard there was a replacement for X coming
1251 2011-07-28 14:55:49 <MaggyO> which i thought looked really nice
1252 2011-07-28 14:55:50 <BlueMatt> wayland
1253 2011-07-28 14:56:03 <MaggyO> from what i say of the API and its design, it was very nice
1254 2011-07-28 14:56:05 <MaggyO> reminded me of my GUI
1255 2011-07-28 14:56:14 <MaggyO> (which is why I coded for X)
1256 2011-07-28 14:56:35 * b4epoche_ would like to see a history of X releases...
1257 2011-07-28 14:56:42 <BlueMatt> Ill give you that the libs for drawing stuff on the screen tend to be better for windows
1258 2011-07-28 14:56:46 * b4epoche_ was using X11 like 15 years ago
1259 2011-07-28 14:56:55 <BlueMatt> but seriously, no one uses those directly, so its really not a big deal
1260 2011-07-28 14:57:09 <BlueMatt> yea, thats why X's libs are a mess, its soo damn old
1261 2011-07-28 14:57:19 <MaggyO> so dont champion X when its crap :P
1262 2011-07-28 14:57:26 <BlueMatt> its libs are
1263 2011-07-28 14:57:29 <MaggyO> just because SDl/Qt/widgets use it
1264 2011-07-28 14:57:32 <BlueMatt> however, it runs great
1265 2011-07-28 14:57:35 <MaggyO> and have dealt with its crap
1266 2011-07-28 14:57:43 <MaggyO> doesnt make it less crap
1267 2011-07-28 14:57:50 <BlueMatt> never had it crash on me (except when doing obviously stupid things)
1268 2011-07-28 14:58:16 <MaggyO> thankfully i have nearly no OS reliant code in my app, so i just need a basic window and sound engine, and im away
1269 2011-07-28 14:58:17 <BlueMatt> well its great for anyone not using its libs directly, which is everyone except qt/wx/etc/etc/etc devs
1270 2011-07-28 14:58:19 <mtrlt> okay so the qtcreator installer doesn't want me to click next. i'll try it in a year when the installer starts working
1271 2011-07-28 14:58:22 <mtrlt> :-)
1272 2011-07-28 14:58:24 <b4epoche_> twm is the best
1273 2011-07-28 14:58:41 <b4epoche_> MaggyO: what /is/ your app?
1274 2011-07-28 14:59:02 <mtrlt> offline installer, 1.8 gigabytes >_<
1275 2011-07-28 14:59:07 <MaggyO> sort of like a 3d game
1276 2011-07-28 14:59:22 <b4epoche_> sorta 3D or sorta a game?
1277 2011-07-28 14:59:23 <MaggyO> i coded everything in it from scratch though, so it was completely portable to every system
1278 2011-07-28 14:59:35 <MaggyO> every modern system i should say
1279 2011-07-28 15:00:03 <MaggyO> it has 3d aspects b4epoche :P
1280 2011-07-28 15:00:15 <b4epoche_> so, what is it?
1281 2011-07-28 15:00:32 <MaggyO> entertainment software, i dont really mix business with pleasure
1282 2011-07-28 15:00:48 <nanotube> every game is at least 3d (including time dimension :) )
1283 2011-07-28 15:00:59 <b4epoche_> good point
1284 2011-07-28 15:01:14 <b4epoche_> MaggyO: /this/ is pleasure?
1285 2011-07-28 15:01:16 <MaggyO> its about 500,000 lines though, that ive written
1286 2011-07-28 15:01:17 <BlueMatt> hehe
1287 2011-07-28 15:01:20 <MaggyO> yeah
1288 2011-07-28 15:01:36 <b4epoche_> MaggyO: you need to get out more
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1290 2011-07-28 15:01:47 <MaggyO> b4epoche: yeah i hope to once it sells
1291 2011-07-28 15:02:10 <b4epoche_> are you developing it independently?
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1293 2011-07-28 15:02:21 <MaggyO> yeah since 2008
1294 2011-07-28 15:02:31 <MaggyO> though the gui started in 2006
1295 2011-07-28 15:02:51 <b4epoche_> my game: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/polywords/id353385537?mt=8
1296 2011-07-28 15:03:05 <MaggyO> cool
1297 2011-07-28 15:03:10 <MaggyO> ive made some android apps in the mean time
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1300 2011-07-28 15:04:06 <b4epoche_> so, may I ask what the premise of the game is? Kill everything?
1301 2011-07-28 15:04:30 <senseles> itunes sucks so bad
1302 2011-07-28 15:04:31 <mtrlt> that's an original premise :o
1303 2011-07-28 15:04:36 <senseles> their user database is comprimised
1304 2011-07-28 15:05:01 <senseles> some jackoff charged 500$ to my paypal in itunes apps
1305 2011-07-28 15:05:05 <MaggyO> b4epoche: its not really a game per se, its a vision/world
1306 2011-07-28 15:05:14 <senseles> comp was not hacked had no virii
1307 2011-07-28 15:05:17 <MaggyO> ill tell you more once ive sold it and a multimillionare
1308 2011-07-28 15:05:22 <senseles> i had scanned it, etc
1309 2011-07-28 15:05:31 <senseles> then itunes acted like they were doing me a favor in refunding the money
1310 2011-07-28 15:05:42 <senseles> after i had spent like 1000$ on shit there so fuck them
1311 2011-07-28 15:05:50 <b4epoche_> MaggyO: once you're a multimillionaire you won't be around here
1312 2011-07-28 15:06:04 <MaggyO> haha
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1314 2011-07-28 15:06:14 <MaggyO> maybe i will, i like btc
1315 2011-07-28 15:06:19 <MaggyO> the concept appeals to me
1316 2011-07-28 15:06:31 <b4epoche_> MaggyO: you doing any btc development?
1317 2011-07-28 15:06:45 <MaggyO> yeah just finishing something now
1318 2011-07-28 15:06:51 <MaggyO> then i resume work on main
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1322 2011-07-28 15:07:43 <b4epoche_> so is this game a hobby, a job?
1323 2011-07-28 15:07:57 <sacarlson> senseles: let me guess is that in windows?
1324 2011-07-28 15:08:01 <MaggyO> i dont work, thats for slaves :P
1325 2011-07-28 15:08:04 <senseles> heh, ya
1326 2011-07-28 15:08:10 <MaggyO> i used to
1327 2011-07-28 15:08:17 <MaggyO> for 5 years, 6 years ago
1328 2011-07-28 15:08:56 <MaggyO> hows your itunes selling
1329 2011-07-28 15:08:57 <b4epoche_> did you work developing software?
1330 2011-07-28 15:09:17 <b4epoche_> ah, well, ah...
1331 2011-07-28 15:09:23 <MaggyO> worked in engineering then later on full development cycle as lead
1332 2011-07-28 15:09:26 * b4epoche_ is glad he's got a very secure real job
1333 2011-07-28 15:09:37 <diki> nothing is secure
1334 2011-07-28 15:09:43 <diki> if i was there, i could prolly break in
1335 2011-07-28 15:09:48 <MaggyO> i got skills making the full product at every step so i decided i wouldnt work anymore
1336 2011-07-28 15:09:52 <diki> thru the front door
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1338 2011-07-28 15:09:59 <senseles> i bet it stucks even more now that they're charging you a 30% fee on all sales
1339 2011-07-28 15:10:03 <b4epoche_> diki: wtf are you talking about...
1340 2011-07-28 15:10:08 <senseles> you do all the work they take a 1/3 of your money
1341 2011-07-28 15:10:10 <b4epoche_> you're going to break into my job?
1342 2011-07-28 15:10:11 <senseles> it's the apple way
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1344 2011-07-28 15:10:58 <senseles> what platforms are you coding for? are you doing any iphone work? would be nice to get an OpenVPN client on iphone.
1345 2011-07-28 15:11:01 <diki> i'd love to :)
1346 2011-07-28 15:11:13 <diki> you say it's secure, untill mythbusters prove it right, it's false
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1348 2011-07-28 15:11:30 <b4epoche_> diki: I have the best job in the world, so yea, I'm sure you'd love to have it
1349 2011-07-28 15:11:40 <BlueMatt> ok diki learn to stfu now please
1350 2011-07-28 15:11:50 <b4epoche_> diki: buy I suspect you're too stupid for it ;-)
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1352 2011-07-28 15:12:03 <b4epoche_> s/buy/but
1353 2011-07-28 15:12:33 <b4epoche_> MaggyO: Aussie?
1354 2011-07-28 15:12:35 <diki> Bluematt:funny, why are you still here? Bitcoin has tons of bugs(like the slow startup for an example which even an SSD cant fix) yet you are here...
1355 2011-07-28 15:12:49 <MaggyO> apparently i am
1356 2011-07-28 15:12:49 <nanotube> b4epoche_: Error: sed: -e expression #1: unterminated `s' command
1357 2011-07-28 15:12:52 <diki> coding bitcoin is not your hobby
1358 2011-07-28 15:12:56 <diki> for now, it's a job
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1362 2011-07-28 15:13:30 * b4epoche_ had an Aussie exchange student last semester (UWA)
1363 2011-07-28 15:13:52 * asher^ studies at uwa
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1365 2011-07-28 15:14:12 <b4epoche_> asher^: what you studying?
1366 2011-07-28 15:14:19 <MaggyO> where are you b4epoche
1367 2011-07-28 15:14:25 <b4epoche_> Penn State
1368 2011-07-28 15:14:44 <asher^> psychology and philosophy
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1370 2011-07-28 15:14:52 <asher^> going to throw in a little compsci soon too
1371 2011-07-28 15:14:54 <MaggyO> yeah UWA is the main WA university
1372 2011-07-28 15:14:57 * diki doesnt like to be kicked
1373 2011-07-28 15:15:20 <b4epoche_> MaggyO: where you?
1374 2011-07-28 15:15:31 <diki> but, i guess i hit the spot
1375 2011-07-28 15:15:37 <BlueMatt> then try to be somewhat remotely respectful sometimes
1376 2011-07-28 15:15:41 <b4epoche_> asher^: she (the exchange student) is in ME
1377 2011-07-28 15:15:48 <MaggyO> all over, i travel
1378 2011-07-28 15:15:48 <sacarlson> diki how about we just slap you around a bit then.... just kiding
1379 2011-07-28 15:16:19 <MaggyO> when you dont have a job you can be where you want
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1381 2011-07-28 15:16:23 <b4epoche_> MaggyO: mostly east? west?
1382 2011-07-28 15:16:27 <MaggyO> east atm
1383 2011-07-28 15:16:37 <ersi> diki: How about actually doing something about the problems you see, instead of nagging on other people
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1385 2011-07-28 15:16:46 <mtrlt> yep jobs are designed to keep the people as obedient slaves
1386 2011-07-28 15:16:52 <diki> because it's not my job to fix them
1387 2011-07-28 15:16:58 <MaggyO> mtrlt: yeah
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1389 2011-07-28 15:17:06 <b4epoche_> MaggyO: no family to worry about?
1390 2011-07-28 15:17:09 <MaggyO> its not until youve been out of work long enough do you realize how shit it is
1391 2011-07-28 15:17:10 <mtrlt> i worked for a year and decided i'll never work again :P
1392 2011-07-28 15:17:19 <MaggyO> but alas most people dont have the skills to make money like i do
1393 2011-07-28 15:17:25 <BlueMatt> diki: its no ones job to fix them, its fucking floss, get over yourself
1394 2011-07-28 15:17:43 <MaggyO> b4epoche: nah a girlfriend or two
1395 2011-07-28 15:17:45 <BlueMatt> diki: have a problem? fix it yourself, otherwise dont complain unless you have a solution
1396 2011-07-28 15:18:14 <ersi> diki: Being in a 'secure job' doesn't mean that the work place is secure in the sense of breakins.. It means it's a steady job and you're unlikely to lose it...
1397 2011-07-28 15:18:17 <MaggyO> we live together, go places together, its fun
1398 2011-07-28 15:18:25 <b4epoche_> MaggyO: so you have like an RV that you drive around?
1399 2011-07-28 15:18:34 <diki> ersi:honestly, if someone betters comes in
1400 2011-07-28 15:18:44 <diki> *better
1401 2011-07-28 15:18:45 <MaggyO> haha no, nothing that retirish
1402 2011-07-28 15:18:50 <ersi> diki: What?
1403 2011-07-28 15:18:51 <MaggyO> we're looking at buying a farm soon
1404 2011-07-28 15:18:56 <MaggyO> live self sufficiently
1405 2011-07-28 15:18:59 <diki> Someone better at the job?
1406 2011-07-28 15:19:06 <mtrlt> a farm sounds good :)
1407 2011-07-28 15:19:10 <MaggyO> be less depedent on the system
1408 2011-07-28 15:19:13 <sacarlson> is lfm around or does any one know about his converter software to convert from nBits to difficulty number?
1409 2011-07-28 15:19:15 <MaggyO> dependent
1410 2011-07-28 15:19:33 <mtrlt> a remote farm with a gigabit internet connection
1411 2011-07-28 15:19:36 <mtrlt> = win
1412 2011-07-28 15:19:38 <ersi> diki: If someone would say "I'm lucky to have a secure job", it means it's unlikely they'd be fired
1413 2011-07-28 15:20:00 <ersi> Unlikely != Impossible
1414 2011-07-28 15:20:17 <MaggyO> mtrlt: yeah solar/wind powered mining ftw?
1415 2011-07-28 15:20:19 <sacarlson> ersi: I have a secure job as a beach bum. not lickly to get fired
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1417 2011-07-28 15:20:32 <mtrlt> MaggyO: that too :p
1418 2011-07-28 15:20:32 <MaggyO> actually australia is getting fiber optics rolled out everywhere over next few years
1419 2011-07-28 15:20:37 <MaggyO> so we'll be on gbps
1420 2011-07-28 15:20:38 <mtrlt> heh
1421 2011-07-28 15:20:53 <xelister> MaggyO: aus is big on inet blocking btw
1422 2011-07-28 15:21:00 <xelister> this may be bad for btc
1423 2011-07-28 15:21:03 <MaggyO> oh noz
1424 2011-07-28 15:21:12 <b4epoche_> mining is a huge industry in AUS, eh ?
1425 2011-07-28 15:21:12 <senseles> there already is fiber everywhere in AU
1426 2011-07-28 15:21:14 <MaggyO> what will a programmer do about that! ;P
1427 2011-07-28 15:21:33 <senseles> australia's biggest problem is only having 2 ISPs with their own international lines
1428 2011-07-28 15:21:44 <MrTiggr> pffft ....no real inet blocking here in oz
1429 2011-07-28 15:22:09 <MrTiggr> 2000 kiddie pr0n sites that Conway wants to look at in pvt
1430 2011-07-28 15:22:21 <MaggyO> MrTiggr: someone has to protect us from those images!
1431 2011-07-28 15:22:36 <MaggyO> might as well let a pedofile make sure they are of that nature before banning them
1432 2011-07-28 15:22:42 <MrTiggr> MaggyO: nanny-state much!
1433 2011-07-28 15:22:44 <diki> lol
1434 2011-07-28 15:23:08 <MaggyO> ah well, thats why VPN services will take off if it happens
1435 2011-07-28 15:23:12 <MrTiggr> and we all kno pedobear gets his pr0n from the intertubez...not P2P or bittorent et al
1436 2011-07-28 15:23:14 <MaggyO> VPN into great china firewall instead
1437 2011-07-28 15:23:15 <MrTiggr> pfft
1438 2011-07-28 15:23:24 <MaggyO> least they get child porn
1439 2011-07-28 15:23:33 <xelister> .it seems to ban proxies
1440 2011-07-28 15:23:42 <MrTiggr> so duz freenode
1441 2011-07-28 15:23:42 <xelister> soon some idiots will decide to ban all i2p
1442 2011-07-28 15:23:49 <MrTiggr> ??point?
1443 2011-07-28 15:23:55 <MrTiggr> yah
1444 2011-07-28 15:24:07 <edcba> i2p will never be enough mainstream to be banned
1445 2011-07-28 15:24:10 <MrTiggr> anonymity and pr0n are enemies
1446 2011-07-28 15:24:20 <xelister> edcba: there is also #freenet well as #btcfn ;)
1447 2011-07-28 15:24:23 <MaggyO> i hate how porn sites use permalinks now
1448 2011-07-28 15:24:36 * MrTiggr wudnt know
1449 2011-07-28 15:24:36 <MaggyO> so all your http logs have like "banana+pregnant+indian porn"
1450 2011-07-28 15:24:50 <xelister> edcba: then thungs in gov win to empose effective banning
1451 2011-07-28 15:25:25 <edcba> we already need to boot our president off and undo his laws
1452 2011-07-28 15:25:33 <MaggyO> blacky?
1453 2011-07-28 15:25:42 <senseles> At least you dont have to watch some fat fuck european walk down the streets talking prices with some 14 year old prostitute
1454 2011-07-28 15:25:43 <edcba> shorty
1455 2011-07-28 15:25:45 <senseles> <3 philippines
1456 2011-07-28 15:25:51 <sacarlson> does anyone know where lfm's github is located like to see this loss of significance in difficulty (by lfm)
1457 2011-07-28 15:27:27 <MaggyO> wait, you have 14yo prostitutes there?
1458 2011-07-28 15:27:34 <b4epoche_> asher^: you back in classes yet?
1459 2011-07-28 15:27:38 <MaggyO> here i am dealing with 18yo like some sucker
1460 2011-07-28 15:27:53 <senseles> There is some foreigner every week that gets arrested for child molestation
1461 2011-07-28 15:28:11 <sacarlson> MaggyO: what did I do leave my cam on again? I thought I told her to leave
1462 2011-07-28 15:28:19 <MaggyO> lawl
1463 2011-07-28 15:28:36 <MaggyO> hey if muhammed can have a 9yo bride and theres a billion muslims that think thats ok
1464 2011-07-28 15:28:45 <MaggyO> 14 seems old
1465 2011-07-28 15:29:05 <senseles> heh, brain damage from living in the desert
1466 2011-07-28 15:29:05 <sacarlson> MaggyO: well in Thailand 15 is legal
1467 2011-07-28 15:29:09 <senseles> why do you think they see visions
1468 2011-07-28 15:29:20 <MaggyO> "i thought i saw hair"
1469 2011-07-28 15:29:24 <MaggyO> "just a mirage"
1470 2011-07-28 15:31:17 <MaggyO> nothing like CP jokes to stop the off topic drift
1471 2011-07-28 15:32:08 <b4epoche_> http://usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/teen_marriage_laws/index.shtml (see South Carolina)
1472 2011-07-28 15:32:23 <b4epoche_> someone ought to challenge that as sexist
1473 2011-07-28 15:32:46 <xelister> MaggyO: pope can do it with 15
1474 2011-07-28 15:32:47 <sacarlson> my google and github search on lfm is a failure, why can't he have a longer name that can be searched for
1475 2011-07-28 15:32:48 <xelister> 14
1476 2011-07-28 15:33:00 <xelister> actually 13
1477 2011-07-28 15:33:13 <MaggyO> xelister: catholics eh
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1479 2011-07-28 15:33:27 <MaggyO> i thought the vatican was its own country
1480 2011-07-28 15:33:36 <xelister> yes
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1482 2011-07-28 15:33:41 <xelister> where fucking 13 yo is legal
1483 2011-07-28 15:33:45 <MaggyO> 13 seems a bit strict for the pope
1484 2011-07-28 15:34:01 <b4epoche_> wow: Mississippi: Parental consent is needed if under 21 years of age
1485 2011-07-28 15:34:26 <SomeoneWeird> 0_o
1486 2011-07-28 15:34:36 <kinlo> is listtransactions guarantied to be in order?
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1488 2011-07-28 15:36:10 <b4epoche_> well this makes tons of sense: "Delware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Maryland, and Oklahoma: Allow pregnant teens or teens who have already had a child to get married without parental consent"
1489 2011-07-28 15:36:18 <b4epoche_> does the husband have to be the father?
1490 2011-07-28 15:36:19 <Rabbit67890> ...
1491 2011-07-28 15:36:34 <Rabbit67890> lolwut?
1492 2011-07-28 15:37:52 <MaggyO> interesting questions on a thursday night
1493 2011-07-28 15:38:12 <b4epoche_> Th morning here...
1494 2011-07-28 15:38:39 <MaggyO> the past sucks man
1495 2011-07-28 15:38:42 <MaggyO> pity++
1496 2011-07-28 15:40:41 <MrTiggr> !karma pity
1497 2011-07-28 15:40:41 <TiggrBot> pity: 1
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1503 2011-07-28 15:54:29 <tcatm> if you're on bitcoincharts, please reload :)
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1505 2011-07-28 15:55:25 <b4epoche> so MaggyO what do you do for income?
1506 2011-07-28 15:55:51 <xelister> quiet day
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1508 2011-07-28 15:57:29 <MaggyO> b4epoche: programming, investments
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1510 2011-07-28 15:57:35 <b4epoche> http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/28/balkin.obama.options/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
1511 2011-07-28 15:57:38 <b4epoche> interesting?
1512 2011-07-28 15:57:46 <b4epoche> MaggyO: contracts?
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1514 2011-07-28 15:58:17 <MaggyO> nah
1515 2011-07-28 15:58:21 <MaggyO> working for others is shit
1516 2011-07-28 15:58:27 <MaggyO> i dont do much of or any of it
1517 2011-07-28 15:58:37 <b4epoche> so you have other apps that you sell?
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1519 2011-07-28 15:58:43 <MaggyO> yes
1520 2011-07-28 15:58:54 BlueMatt_ is now known as BlueMatt
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1524 2011-07-28 16:04:42 <MaggyO> why are you still working b4epoche
1525 2011-07-28 16:04:54 <b4epoche> still working?
1526 2011-07-28 16:05:31 <BlueMatt> why do you keep saying you are so rich without telling us where you got your money or any kind of evidence or anything?
1527 2011-07-28 16:05:38 <b4epoche> it's summer but my job is also my hobby (why it's such a great job)
1528 2011-07-28 16:05:40 <MaggyO> im not rich
1529 2011-07-28 16:05:40 <b4epoche> me?
1530 2011-07-28 16:05:47 <BlueMatt> MaggyO
1531 2011-07-28 16:05:50 <MaggyO> i just dont need to work
1532 2011-07-28 16:05:59 <mtrlt> not rich but free
1533 2011-07-28 16:06:00 <mtrlt> :)
1534 2011-07-28 16:06:11 <MaggyO> i may be rich soon though, we'll see
1535 2011-07-28 16:06:12 <copumpkin> finding a job that you'd be doing even if you weren't paid
1536 2011-07-28 16:06:14 <copumpkin> is awesome
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1538 2011-07-28 16:06:37 * b4epoche is technically 'off the clock'
1539 2011-07-28 16:06:37 <MaggyO> its a good thing being able to work on a large project worth a lot of money over 3 years
1540 2011-07-28 16:06:54 <MaggyO> most coders never get that luxury unless in college or retired
1541 2011-07-28 16:07:21 <b4epoche> MaggyO: are you female? or is Maggy not a woman's name in AUS?
1542 2011-07-28 16:08:14 <forrestv> b4epoche, are you male?
1543 2011-07-28 16:08:19 <b4epoche> yes
1544 2011-07-28 16:09:03 <b4epoche> not many women coders (or irc'ers)
1545 2011-07-28 16:09:05 <MaggyO> no im not female
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1547 2011-07-28 16:09:26 <BlueMatt> but also not male?
1548 2011-07-28 16:09:55 <xelister> yo guys
1549 2011-07-28 16:10:04 <xelister> you think providing bitcoins can be a service?
1550 2011-07-28 16:10:45 <BlueMatt> providing bitcoins?
1551 2011-07-28 16:11:11 <SomeoneWeird> 0_o
1552 2011-07-28 16:11:17 <xelister> when a company sells BTC to another company, can this be a service
1553 2011-07-28 16:11:26 <xelister> because it has some benefits
1554 2011-07-28 16:11:26 <forrestv> money exchange is a service
1555 2011-07-28 16:11:35 <b4epoche> funny story in the iOS jailbreak scene⦠active female irc'er who said she was gay pissed someone off who dug into her background (she didn't really hide anything).
1556 2011-07-28 16:11:52 <b4epoche> turns out she used to be a man...
1557 2011-07-28 16:12:07 <SomeoneWeird> 0_o
1558 2011-07-28 16:12:13 <SomeoneWeird> who?
1559 2011-07-28 16:12:19 <b4epoche> so, I've since been trying to figure out what you call a gay transexual
1560 2011-07-28 16:12:29 <BlueMatt> xelister: does it matter?
1561 2011-07-28 16:12:41 <SomeoneWeird> b4epoche; who was she/he?
1562 2011-07-28 16:12:53 <b4epoche> SomeoneWeird says it all...
1563 2011-07-28 16:13:02 <SomeoneWeird> ..
1564 2011-07-28 16:13:06 <iz> b4epoche: the often not-quite-gramatically-correct "they" pronoun
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1566 2011-07-28 16:13:30 <b4epoche> I can't remember her original name but she changed it to Katje when she moved to Belgium
1567 2011-07-28 16:13:31 <forrestv> or ze :)
1568 2011-07-28 16:13:50 <b4epoche> after being outed she disappeared
1569 2011-07-28 16:13:50 <mtrlt> lol @ language with gender-specific 3rd person pronouns
1570 2011-07-28 16:14:01 <xelister> BlueMatt: yeap it changes tax by 20%
1571 2011-07-28 16:14:01 <SomeoneWeird> heh
1572 2011-07-28 16:14:41 <mtrlt> ask your lawyer, not bitcoin-dev :P
1573 2011-07-28 16:14:48 <BlueMatt> call it whatever you want, it depends on what you can prove in court
1574 2011-07-28 16:14:50 <iz> gender changes taxes by 20%?
1575 2011-07-28 16:15:24 <iz> or did i get some topics mixed up?
1576 2011-07-28 16:15:44 <iz> oh, BTC as a service
1577 2011-07-28 16:16:10 <MrTiggr> BAAS
1578 2011-07-28 16:16:22 <MrTiggr> :D
1579 2011-07-28 16:16:28 <MrTiggr> soo web 2
1580 2011-07-28 16:16:52 <MrTiggr> *point Oh
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1592 2011-07-28 16:30:51 <wardearia> Is there a bitcoin library release available?
1593 2011-07-28 16:30:59 <BlueMatt> no
1594 2011-07-28 16:31:59 <wardearia> hmm, are there any developments for a bitcoin library?
1595 2011-07-28 16:32:11 <BlueMatt> quite a few
1596 2011-07-28 16:32:23 <wardearia> Is there a list/comparison of them anywhere?
1597 2011-07-28 16:32:23 <BlueMatt> none of them have gotten particularly far...
1598 2011-07-28 16:36:10 <wardearia> Maybe something like https://forum.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=list_of_patches or https://forum.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=repositories ?
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1612 2011-07-28 16:49:37 <copumpkin> [12:43:27 PM] <davro> Transfer of 6072279.6165 BTC (6071779.6165 BTC + 500 BTC) and many 12000 + transfers
1613 2011-07-28 16:49:42 <copumpkin> what is going on?
1614 2011-07-28 16:49:49 <SomeoneWeird> deepbit!
1615 2011-07-28 16:49:51 <SomeoneWeird> mtgox!
1616 2011-07-28 16:49:54 <SomeoneWeird> :S
1617 2011-07-28 16:50:02 <copumpkin> that's a majority of all bitcoins in existence
1618 2011-07-28 16:50:15 <copumpkin> 6,925,300 BTC is total
1619 2011-07-28 16:50:24 <SomeoneWeird> holy shit it is
1620 2011-07-28 16:50:27 <copumpkin> so that's over 80% of all bitcoins
1621 2011-07-28 16:50:33 <copumpkin> that seems suspicious
1622 2011-07-28 16:51:01 <copumpkin> http://snapplr.com/qtcm
1623 2011-07-28 16:51:14 <copumpkin> seems kind of ridiculous
1624 2011-07-28 16:51:17 <Eliel> someone either found a bug or your info is wrong.
1625 2011-07-28 16:51:34 <b4epoche> copumpkin: what is that a snapshot of?
1626 2011-07-28 16:51:50 <copumpkin> bitcoinmonitor.com
1627 2011-07-28 16:52:05 <SomeoneWeird> check on blockexplorer, it's there :|
1628 2011-07-28 16:52:27 <Eliel> got a link?
1629 2011-07-28 16:52:28 <jeremias> fuck
1630 2011-07-28 16:52:33 <jeremias> someone has hacked bitcoin?
1631 2011-07-28 16:52:38 <copumpkin> there are also some pretty fucking huge transactions going on in every block
1632 2011-07-28 16:52:42 <copumpkin> like hundreds of thousands of btc
1633 2011-07-28 16:52:52 <Eliel> sounds like there's an exploit
1634 2011-07-28 16:52:55 <wardearia> Perhaps to get more response, I reposted at http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32580.new#new
1635 2011-07-28 16:53:07 <jeremias> lol, that was it, then
1636 2011-07-28 16:53:24 <Eliel> jeremias: not necessarily, fix the exploit and once majority of clients have upgraded, problem gone.
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1638 2011-07-28 16:53:37 <Eliel> but it does mean rolling back some of the bitchain
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1640 2011-07-28 16:53:48 <Eliel> um blockchain
1641 2011-07-28 16:53:57 <b4epoche> copumpkin: that's a nice site
1642 2011-07-28 16:54:05 <drgr33n> Hey guys. Got something to run by you before I proceed and add the latest bitcoin software to linuxcoin
1643 2011-07-28 16:54:06 <copumpkin> jgarzik, nanotube, UukGoblin, any opinion?
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1645 2011-07-28 16:55:15 <nanotube> copumpkin: opinion on what?
1646 2011-07-28 16:55:25 <copumpkin> nanotube: the supposed 6M btc transaction
1647 2011-07-28 16:55:36 <copumpkin> look on bitcoinmonitor
1648 2011-07-28 16:55:37 <SomeoneWeird> >isn't on blockexplorer<
1649 2011-07-28 16:55:43 * SomeoneWeird made a mistake
1650 2011-07-28 16:55:46 <copumpkin> fair enough
1651 2011-07-28 16:55:57 <drgr33n> I was having troubles compiling with boost 1.46 on my debian system. The error output was the following 'class boost::filesystem3::path' has no member named 'native_file_string' After reading through a few bits it seems native_file_string was droped for just string(). so can I just make the change and move on or will this affect anything else ?
1652 2011-07-28 16:55:57 <copumpkin> someone very rich is moving a lot of btc around, still
1653 2011-07-28 16:56:09 <jeremias> lol
1654 2011-07-28 16:56:10 <mtrlt> i bet bitcoinmonitor's just buggy
1655 2011-07-28 16:56:10 <BlueMatt> probably one person sending the same coins over and over again
1656 2011-07-28 16:56:14 <jeremias> everyoen freaking out
1657 2011-07-28 16:56:18 <mtrlt> BlueMatt: yep for the ~13k or so txs
1658 2011-07-28 16:56:26 <SomeoneWeird> hahaha yeah
1659 2011-07-28 16:56:39 <jeremias> someone trying to flood the block chain?
1660 2011-07-28 16:56:42 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: yea can send the same coins as many times as you want
1661 2011-07-28 16:56:47 <BlueMatt> 10 billion of you want
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1663 2011-07-28 16:56:51 <mtrlt> where's the page with the pending txs?
1664 2011-07-28 16:57:05 <UukGoblin> there are regular transfers of 10k....
1665 2011-07-28 16:57:07 <copumpkin> http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin
1666 2011-07-28 16:57:16 <mtrlt> copumpkin: thx
1667 2011-07-28 16:57:21 <jeremias> hmm, i hope miners are enforcing transaction fees soon...
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1669 2011-07-28 16:57:25 <Eliel> the trajectory of the around 13k transfers is slightly downward so, the amount transfered is getting smaller and smaller
1670 2011-07-28 16:57:40 <jeremias> but anyway, if you have bitcoins to burn, you can flood the block chain with transactions
1671 2011-07-28 16:57:46 <jeremias> that isn't fun
1672 2011-07-28 16:57:52 <copumpkin> yeah, I wasn't worried about the smaller ones
1673 2011-07-28 16:57:55 <copumpkin> the huge one seemed unlikely
1674 2011-07-28 16:58:03 <mtrlt> note that the txs on -monitor double
1675 2011-07-28 16:58:06 <copumpkin> since it would suggest 85% of coins are under a single person's control
1676 2011-07-28 16:58:08 <copumpkin> but I guess that was a bug
1677 2011-07-28 16:58:10 <mtrlt> like the next tx is always double the previous
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1679 2011-07-28 16:58:30 <mtrlt> it's gotta be a bug :P
1680 2011-07-28 16:58:40 <copumpkin> oh it's on the pending transaction list
1681 2011-07-28 16:58:40 <copumpkin> http://snapplr.com/hxj1
1682 2011-07-28 16:58:44 <mtrlt> http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
1683 2011-07-28 16:58:46 <mtrlt> yes
1684 2011-07-28 16:58:48 <copumpkin> probably someone trying to hack it and not getting verified?
1685 2011-07-28 16:58:56 <copumpkin> or rather, submtiting bogus transactions
1686 2011-07-28 16:59:05 <mtrlt> yes
1687 2011-07-28 16:59:10 <mtrlt> he has two inputs
1688 2011-07-28 16:59:13 <mtrlt> the inputs are the same :P
1689 2011-07-28 16:59:21 <SomeoneWeird> hahahaha wtf 0_o
1690 2011-07-28 16:59:36 <mtrlt> so no bug in monitor
1691 2011-07-28 16:59:38 <copumpkin> so someone's got a custom client or hacked up the official one to submit a bogus transaction
1692 2011-07-28 16:59:41 <mtrlt> someone's just doing fancy transactions
1693 2011-07-28 16:59:45 <copumpkin> yeah
1694 2011-07-28 16:59:45 <forrestv> hm ... bitcoin checks for duplicate inputs, right?
1695 2011-07-28 16:59:49 <mtrlt> that are invalid
1696 2011-07-28 16:59:55 <mtrlt> forrestv: why would it not
1697 2011-07-28 17:00:03 <forrestv> bug :p
1698 2011-07-28 17:00:08 <BlueMatt> looks like its the same coins?
1699 2011-07-28 17:00:10 <UukGoblin> until someone starts spending the early blocks I'm not worried ;-]
1700 2011-07-28 17:00:14 <BlueMatt> sending them over and over?
1701 2011-07-28 17:00:17 <jeremias> :D
1702 2011-07-28 17:00:28 <copumpkin> bogus transactions could potentially DOS the system, right?
1703 2011-07-28 17:00:28 <mtrlt> BlueMatt: the output of the last tx is used twice in the new tx
1704 2011-07-28 17:00:30 <copumpkin> with enough of them
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1706 2011-07-28 17:00:47 <copumpkin> they'd all get ignored, but they'd clog the tubes?
1707 2011-07-28 17:00:58 <jeremias> copumpkin: actually, that's what I'm worrying about
1708 2011-07-28 17:01:12 <jeremias> someone will flood the shit out of bitcoin
1709 2011-07-28 17:01:25 <mtrlt> lul
1710 2011-07-28 17:01:33 <mtrlt> still, it's funny. :P
1711 2011-07-28 17:01:35 <Eliel> the software does check that the same input isn't used twice in the same transaction I hope :D
1712 2011-07-28 17:01:40 <copumpkin> it's always been a concern of mine, but you just have to hope that the kinds of people who DDOS are also the kinds of people who have a desire for bitcoin to succeed :P
1713 2011-07-28 17:01:43 <nanotube> copumpkin: link it to me on bbe, then we'll talk. :)
1714 2011-07-28 17:01:47 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: I dont see that?
1715 2011-07-28 17:01:54 <copumpkin> http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/#d7073bc0b3d24b856a2277955c80fe9b80146f420cf693d5c794468d0ab04b30 ?
1716 2011-07-28 17:01:56 <mtrlt> BlueMatt: i'm talking about the 6M txs
1717 2011-07-28 17:01:57 <copumpkin> bbe?
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1719 2011-07-28 17:02:01 <BlueMatt> on bitcoinmonitor it just shows the same 10000 btc going over and over
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1721 2011-07-28 17:02:06 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: link?
1722 2011-07-28 17:02:13 <drgr33n> anyone ?
1723 2011-07-28 17:02:17 <forrestv> how did that transaction reach bitcoin charts and bitcoin monitor?
1724 2011-07-28 17:02:21 <b4epoche> copumpkin: block explorer
1725 2011-07-28 17:02:23 <forrestv> nodes shouldn't forward it
1726 2011-07-28 17:02:23 <Eliel> BlueMatt: use the slider to increase the time window
1727 2011-07-28 17:02:24 <copumpkin> BlueMatt: I think he's talking about the 6M+ transaction
1728 2011-07-28 17:02:34 <jeremias> copumpkin: easy for goverments to do also, just some btc and generate thousands, millions of fake transactions
1729 2011-07-28 17:02:37 <jeremias> hooray
1730 2011-07-28 17:02:37 <mtrlt> no link
1731 2011-07-28 17:02:38 <UukGoblin> well there is a lot of successful ~10k transactions going on... so someone IS moving large funds around a lot, genuinely
1732 2011-07-28 17:02:42 <BlueMatt> ah yes, now I see them
1733 2011-07-28 17:02:47 <copumpkin> nanotube: yeah, I doubt it'll get onto there :P I'm just worried that people will start submitting lots more bullshit like this
1734 2011-07-28 17:02:49 <copumpkin> and clog tubes
1735 2011-07-28 17:03:05 <copumpkin> UukGoblin: yeah, those aren't really that worrying. Could be an exchange or something
1736 2011-07-28 17:03:07 <BlueMatt> oh lol, no hes using the same input twice
1737 2011-07-28 17:03:07 <mtrlt> UukGoblin: the same 10k all the time
1738 2011-07-28 17:03:10 <copumpkin> it happened after the mtgox reopening
1739 2011-07-28 17:03:11 <BlueMatt> thats not gonna get put in a block
1740 2011-07-28 17:03:16 <mtrlt> BlueMatt: yes that's what i said (or meant)
1741 2011-07-28 17:03:17 <mtrlt> :p
1742 2011-07-28 17:03:27 <BlueMatt> though it shouldnt be being relayed either...
1743 2011-07-28 17:03:34 <mtrlt> heh
1744 2011-07-28 17:03:36 <forrestv> yeah..
1745 2011-07-28 17:03:39 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: sorry, wasnt paying too much attention
1746 2011-07-28 17:04:16 <jeremias> well, does anyone have any opinion about the flooding?
1747 2011-07-28 17:04:28 <copumpkin> I think it's worrying, but there's nothing to do about it
1748 2011-07-28 17:04:30 <copumpkin> inherently
1749 2011-07-28 17:04:32 <jeremias> if you just start to flood the bitcoin network with transactions
1750 2011-07-28 17:04:38 <jeremias> well yeah
1751 2011-07-28 17:04:42 <mtrlt> well at least it got cut off somewhere
1752 2011-07-28 17:04:45 <jeremias> the block chain will just grow
1753 2011-07-28 17:04:55 <mtrlt> i think the clients don't relay it if the outputs are more than the curren tamount of btc in existence
1754 2011-07-28 17:04:56 <UukGoblin> if they're double-spending they shouldn't get relayed indeed...
1755 2011-07-28 17:04:59 <UukGoblin> much
1756 2011-07-28 17:05:05 <BlueMatt> yea, its disturbing, itl get fixed, but its not gonna be able to make it into a block
1757 2011-07-28 17:05:06 <copumpkin> I am kind of worried in a broader sense that the bitcoin space usage is O(time) :)
1758 2011-07-28 17:05:08 <mtrlt> or the attacker just gave up :P
1759 2011-07-28 17:05:09 <nanotube> copumpkin: oh i see... they started from 444btc, then tried doubling up on it a few times :)
1760 2011-07-28 17:05:20 <BlueMatt> copumpkin: he hit MAX_COIN it looks like
1761 2011-07-28 17:05:28 <mtrlt> heh
1762 2011-07-28 17:05:40 <UukGoblin> copumpkin, O(time * txrate)
1763 2011-07-28 17:06:02 <copumpkin> UukGoblin: linear space usage on every client isn't ideal :)
1764 2011-07-28 17:06:05 <BlueMatt> copumpkin: you wonder why there are minfees, people always complain
1765 2011-07-28 17:06:08 <mtrlt> simplified, O(transaction_amount)
1766 2011-07-28 17:06:10 <mtrlt> :-P
1767 2011-07-28 17:06:11 <BlueMatt> but you see what happens when people can flood
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1769 2011-07-28 17:06:38 <copumpkin> UukGoblin: will I have a 10gb block chain on my computer ten years from now?
1770 2011-07-28 17:07:00 <SomeoneWeird> copumpkin; possibly
1771 2011-07-28 17:07:02 <UukGoblin> copumpkin, if not larger
1772 2011-07-28 17:07:02 <Eliel> copumpkin: If bitcoin usage stays what it is now, it'll be more than that I think.
1773 2011-07-28 17:07:09 <SomeoneWeird> lol
1774 2011-07-28 17:07:13 <Eliel> if it increases... well
1775 2011-07-28 17:07:13 <copumpkin> oh yes, my point was <some big number> 10 years from now
1776 2011-07-28 17:07:17 <copumpkin> :P
1777 2011-07-28 17:07:21 <SomeoneWeird> yes copumpkin lol
1778 2011-07-28 17:07:22 <mtrlt> 10 gigabytes isn't big :P
1779 2011-07-28 17:07:25 <SomeoneWeird> it will continue growing
1780 2011-07-28 17:07:28 <mtrlt> yep
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1782 2011-07-28 17:07:33 <copumpkin> it'd be nice to have some sort of checkpointing operation for the block chain
1783 2011-07-28 17:07:41 <Eliel> copumpkin: anyway, at some point the spent transaction pruning will be used too
1784 2011-07-28 17:07:51 <UukGoblin> copumpkin, 10gb even today fits on a tiny microsd card that costs ~$30
1785 2011-07-28 17:07:54 <mtrlt> wonder how much you can prune the current chain
1786 2011-07-28 17:07:58 <UukGoblin> copumpkin, I don't think it's that big of a problem really
1787 2011-07-28 17:08:00 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: the point is, you wont have a chain on your computer in 10 years
1788 2011-07-28 17:08:00 <copumpkin> as a hash chain you don't really need to keep everything around
1789 2011-07-28 17:08:14 <copumpkin> UukGoblin: think about embedded devices for processing coins in in-person transactions though
1790 2011-07-28 17:08:15 <nanotube> BlueMatt: is it getting relayed? or is the guy doing addnode specifically to bitcoincharts and bitcoinmonitor, to make sure they see it?
1791 2011-07-28 17:08:24 <UukGoblin> copumpkin, they won't store the whole chain
1792 2011-07-28 17:08:32 <copumpkin> UukGoblin: oh?
1793 2011-07-28 17:08:34 <UukGoblin> only merkle branches relevant to their wallet transactions
1794 2011-07-28 17:08:38 <copumpkin> oh, okay
1795 2011-07-28 17:08:44 <copumpkin> that's what I was wondering if was supported
1796 2011-07-28 17:08:48 <BlueMatt> nanotube: Id assume if its showing up, then its not being marked as invalid, and hence everyone will relay it
1797 2011-07-28 17:08:49 <UukGoblin> not yet ;-]
1798 2011-07-28 17:08:49 <copumpkin> because it seems like the merkle tree can support it
1799 2011-07-28 17:08:51 <mtrlt> hm yea that's good :-)
1800 2011-07-28 17:08:55 <copumpkin> oh okay
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1804 2011-07-28 17:09:26 <nanotube> BlueMatt: hrm well, then that's probably something to fix ;) even though (i hope) it's not valid to get into a block
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1806 2011-07-28 17:09:40 <BlueMatt> yep
1807 2011-07-28 17:09:46 <copumpkin> if it gets into a block, that'd be rather unfortunate
1808 2011-07-28 17:10:12 <Eliel> yes, would necessitate emergency upgrade and hoping enough will upgrade :P
1809 2011-07-28 17:10:20 <Eliel> and would cause a split in the chain
1810 2011-07-28 17:10:34 <forrestv> if there were a rule that txouts that weren't spent within 1 year of blocks or so were lost, clients would only have to keep track of the last year of blocks
1811 2011-07-28 17:10:39 <UukGoblin> copumpkin, afaik TD is implementing a lightweigth client BitcoinJ that will support that
1812 2011-07-28 17:10:49 <forrestv> would simplify things and not keep lost coins stored for eternity
1813 2011-07-28 17:11:07 <nanotube> forrestv: if there were that rule... it would suck for people who want to sit on their cash.
1814 2011-07-28 17:11:22 <forrestv> nanotube, just resend it to yourself every 6 months!
1815 2011-07-28 17:11:34 <Eliel> forrestv: that would make life difficult for people who want to keep their wallets as offline wallets
1816 2011-07-28 17:11:41 <UukGoblin> copumpkin, and there's some incentive to upgrade the stock bitcoin client with the needed extra protocol messages
1817 2011-07-28 17:12:10 <nanotube> forrestv: yes... and guess what that does to transaction volume? :) it seems there's a 'law of conservation of blockchain size'. either you store old tx, or you don't and generate enough new tx to make up for them :)
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1819 2011-07-28 17:12:33 <copumpkin> UukGoblin: yeah, it's cool
1820 2011-07-28 17:12:43 <forrestv> nanotube, yeah, the main thing is lost coins, but people would probably also merge txs to make it easier for themselves
1821 2011-07-28 17:12:45 <Exaile> has anyone seen magicaltux around?
1822 2011-07-28 17:12:52 <forrestv> so it would shrink quite a bit, i think
1823 2011-07-28 17:12:57 <copumpkin> he lives in #mtgox, but is probably asleep now
1824 2011-07-28 17:13:21 <Eliel> how big proportion of the generation transactions have never been spent?
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1826 2011-07-28 17:13:27 <nanotube> forrestv: well, i doubt at this time that some drastic change like that would be instituted.
1827 2011-07-28 17:13:30 <Exaile> thanks copumpkin
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1830 2011-07-28 17:13:42 <nanotube> (i hope not, because that'd mess with a lot of people's plans.
1831 2011-07-28 17:13:44 <nanotube> )
1832 2011-07-28 17:13:49 <forrestv> hehe, yeah/
1833 2011-07-28 17:14:11 <Eliel> forrestv: if you really think that's useful, you'd have to start another chain for a chain doing that.
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1835 2011-07-28 17:15:11 <forrestv> i think bitcoin's established base outweighs the usefulness of my idea, so no
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1837 2011-07-28 17:15:33 <Eliel> by the way, I wonder if any government might decide to use bitcoin style system for their own currency eventually :P
1838 2011-07-28 17:16:08 <Eliel> coupled with bitbills idea, they could even make cash
1839 2011-07-28 17:16:15 <forrestv> as long as O(storage technology) > O(global transaction rate) we're fine :)
1840 2011-07-28 17:16:17 <mtrlt> open transactions, probably not.
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1842 2011-07-28 17:16:36 <mtrlt> but they might keep their block chain veery secure and private
1843 2011-07-28 17:16:51 <mtrlt> cause that's how governments work
1844 2011-07-28 17:17:05 <Eliel> mtrlt: that'd pretty much make block chain useless.
1845 2011-07-28 17:17:10 <SomeoneWeird> yeah
1846 2011-07-28 17:17:17 <Eliel> might as well just do what they're doing now with banks
1847 2011-07-28 17:17:29 <mtrlt> hmm
1848 2011-07-28 17:17:35 <mtrlt> well in that case governments won't use anything like bitcoin :p
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1850 2011-07-28 17:18:02 <Eliel> well, I'm hoping that, in the future, they won't have a choice :D
1851 2011-07-28 17:18:10 <mtrlt> :D
1852 2011-07-28 17:18:16 <mtrlt> that might become the case
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1883 2011-07-28 18:06:08 <bernie> bitcoind built today from git takes several minutes to initialize, is that expected?
1884 2011-07-28 18:06:49 <bernie> that is, it binds to port 8333 immediately, but it takes several minutes before it binds to 8332 and starts accepting rpc calls
1885 2011-07-28 18:07:15 <nanotube> yes, it seems that it reads the entire blockchain index into memory, and i haven't heard anything about that being fixed.
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1889 2011-07-28 18:08:03 <BlueMatt> jgarzik is redoing that iirc
1890 2011-07-28 18:08:21 <nanotube> ah cool
1891 2011-07-28 18:08:35 <jav__> What's going on with stuff like this http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/#e463a0aa836cb13c5bebd5cf52c6423c08451bcda7c85c85a28d4f6d9108317a at the moment? is this a problem?
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1893 2011-07-28 18:09:23 <BlueMatt> yea, its a bug in the relay/accept tx code, but it wont be in a block
1894 2011-07-28 18:09:42 <jgarzik> jav__: it will not make it into a block
1895 2011-07-28 18:09:51 <jav__> jgarzik: ok, good to know
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1907 2011-07-28 18:16:24 <jtaylor> why does it get relayed but not accepted in a block? different code paths to check transactions?
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1910 2011-07-28 18:19:59 <xelister> hi lyspooner how is it going o/
1911 2011-07-28 18:20:45 <lyspooner> hello xelister
1912 2011-07-28 18:22:39 <jav__> if one of those invalid, but relayed/accepted transactions are received at an address, would "getbalance <acount> 0" show the amount? or would do that call also do proper checks and notice that the transaction is invalid?
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1952 2011-07-28 19:09:00 <luke-jr> Mining software authors: advice please! https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=24336.msg407282#msg407282
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1954 2011-07-28 19:11:10 <b4epoche> w(ho)tf is Alan Grimes and why is he sending email to the dev list?
1955 2011-07-28 19:11:50 <cjdelisle> I remember reading that in the cuda miner code, originally the nonce was byte reversed every cycle but they stopped because byte reversal per cycle is expensive.
1956 2011-07-28 19:12:24 <cjdelisle> if you are going to do all 0x00000000-0xffffffff numbers, who cares what order they're done in
1957 2011-07-28 19:12:44 <cjdelisle> If you're breaking it up beyond that I don't know how safe it is.
1958 2011-07-28 19:13:08 <Eliel> cjdelisle: he wants to break it up.
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1960 2011-07-28 19:14:14 <cjdelisle> hrm I know the cuda miner iterates in little endian
1961 2011-07-28 19:14:19 <cjdelisle> (now)
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1963 2011-07-28 19:16:25 <luke-jr> so does gMinor
1964 2011-07-28 19:16:52 <cjdelisle> I imagine everyone does since bigend boxen are rare
1965 2011-07-28 19:17:16 <luke-jr> the "problem" is that the protocol is and should be big-endian XD
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1967 2011-07-28 19:19:00 <lfm> the main problem with endianess is that people argue endlessly about it.
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1969 2011-07-28 19:19:22 <JFK911> there's nothing to argue
1970 2011-07-28 19:19:28 <JFK911> one company does it differently than rest of worls
1971 2011-07-28 19:19:29 <JFK911> *world
1972 2011-07-28 19:19:34 <JFK911> he should change to compliance
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1974 2011-07-28 19:20:10 <lfm> JFK911: its not one company
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1977 2011-07-28 19:20:44 <Devils_Advocate> hi
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1979 2011-07-28 19:21:08 <Devils_Advocate> anyone know how to verify a username
1980 2011-07-28 19:21:14 <Devils_Advocate> help
1981 2011-07-28 19:21:26 <asher^> verify a username?
1982 2011-07-28 19:21:27 karnac has joined
1983 2011-07-28 19:21:27 <lfm> ask "who are you?" they will usually answer.
1984 2011-07-28 19:21:37 <BlueMatt> gpg?
1985 2011-07-28 19:21:54 <Devils_Advocate> who is who are u
1986 2011-07-28 19:22:11 <lfm> it was a stupid joke, ok!
1987 2011-07-28 19:22:16 <Namegduf> I am.
1988 2011-07-28 19:22:20 <Namegduf> I am who are you.
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1991 2011-07-28 19:22:48 <Devils_Advocate> can u help
1992 2011-07-28 19:23:00 <lfm> not with the problem as stated.
1993 2011-07-28 19:23:12 <lfm> please reformulate the question.
1994 2011-07-28 19:23:14 <Devils_Advocate> how do I log in
1995 2011-07-28 19:23:22 <Devils_Advocate> ok sorry
1996 2011-07-28 19:23:25 <lfm> what system?
1997 2011-07-28 19:23:40 <Devils_Advocate> I wanna login with my username here
1998 2011-07-28 19:24:08 <Eliel> you still haven't told anyone what system you mean.
1999 2011-07-28 19:24:20 <luke-jr> Devils_Advocate: Freenode? Try #Freenode
2000 2011-07-28 19:24:24 <luke-jr> or /msg nickserv help
2001 2011-07-28 19:24:25 <lfm> oh! he means this irc name registration thingy I think.
2002 2011-07-28 19:24:32 <Devils_Advocate> here
2003 2011-07-28 19:24:41 <Devils_Advocate> yesssssssss
2004 2011-07-28 19:24:57 <Devils_Advocate> sorry this was first room on help
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2006 2011-07-28 19:25:04 <luke-jr> â¦
2007 2011-07-28 19:25:08 <Devils_Advocate> ty luke
2008 2011-07-28 19:25:18 <Devils_Advocate> sorry to bother u guys
2009 2011-07-28 19:25:34 wolfspraul has joined
2010 2011-07-28 19:25:39 <luke-jr> Devils_Advocate: feel free to discuss bitcoin digital currency here tho :p
2011 2011-07-28 19:25:51 <lfm> I naver have used it, it says someone else owns all my names.
2012 2011-07-28 19:26:32 <Devils_Advocate> luke if I knew what it was I would
2013 2011-07-28 19:26:45 <Devils_Advocate> wots bitcoin?!
2014 2011-07-28 19:27:06 <Eliel> experimental currency system. no central control.
2015 2011-07-28 19:27:09 <luke-jr> Devils_Advocate: http://weusecoins.com
2016 2011-07-28 19:27:29 <Eliel> based on a peer to peer system
2017 2011-07-28 19:27:37 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: miron@google.com * r165 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/ (PeerException.java Peer.java PeerGroup.java): Clean up exception handling in Peer/PeerGroup. Resolves issue 65 http://bitcoinj.googlecode.com/svn-history/r165/
2018 2011-07-28 19:27:42 <lfm> free money! not.
2019 2011-07-28 19:27:42 <Eliel> if you want to know more, see the video on luke's link.
2020 2011-07-28 19:27:44 * Zagitta sings trololololol
2021 2011-07-28 19:28:52 <lfm> we're going to take over the world
2022 2011-07-28 19:31:50 <CIA-103> bitcoinj: miron@google.com * r166 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/Peer.java: Do not callback if nothing to download from peer. Resolves issue 61 http://bitcoinj.googlecode.com/svn-history/r166/
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2044 2011-07-28 19:58:19 <diki> i'll just drop this here
2045 2011-07-28 19:58:20 <diki> http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/63/unledlp.png
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2051 2011-07-28 20:07:13 <Eliel> diki: what are we supposed to get from that?
2052 2011-07-28 20:07:25 <ersi> brain cancer most likely
2053 2011-07-28 20:07:33 <ersi> I think that is his sole purpose of everything.
2054 2011-07-28 20:08:37 <Eliel> makes sense
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2121 2011-07-28 21:30:13 <cjdelisle> Hey, I am getting 217Mh/s out of a geforce 470!
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2123 2011-07-28 21:30:52 <cjdelisle> I gotta doublecheck my numbers but it's telling me I'm returning correct hashed
2124 2011-07-28 21:31:07 <cjdelisle> I just went from 61Mh/s to 217
2125 2011-07-28 21:31:59 <BlueMatt> new miner?
2126 2011-07-28 21:32:27 <cjdelisle> I'm hacking at puddinpop's
2127 2011-07-28 21:32:48 <cjdelisle> The change was I used some hackery to only do one branching op per cycle
2128 2011-07-28 21:32:49 <BlueMatt> what are you pointing puddinpops at? it never used to support anything but puddinpop server?
2129 2011-07-28 21:33:29 <cjdelisle> someone gave me a user:pass for deepbit, it's been returning no error except when I am doing it wrong
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2131 2011-07-28 21:33:52 <cjdelisle> hrm I must have broken something, I should be getting more hashes
2132 2011-07-28 21:33:56 <BlueMatt> really? I had just always thought puddinpop doesnt work except via puddinpop server
2133 2011-07-28 21:34:07 <BlueMatt> not (L)RPC
2134 2011-07-28 21:34:47 <cjdelisle> it's this one
2135 2011-07-28 21:34:48 <cjdelisle> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=2444.0
2136 2011-07-28 21:35:07 <cjdelisle> I think I broke it though since I'm not getting as many shares as the numbers should indicate
2137 2011-07-28 21:35:10 <BlueMatt> I know the miner
2138 2011-07-28 21:35:29 <BlueMatt> though I havent touched it in forever
2139 2011-07-28 21:35:40 <BlueMatt> never was able to get it to compile
2140 2011-07-28 21:36:02 <cjdelisle> I only have an nshittia and I don't really care about mining, just cryptoanalisys and optimization is fun
2141 2011-07-28 21:36:16 <cjdelisle> I replaced the if statement at the bottom with this: } while ((H - MAGIC) & iterator != 0);
2142 2011-07-28 21:36:22 <cjdelisle> so only one branch
2143 2011-07-28 21:36:38 <cjdelisle> But I must have broken something because the numbers are stupid
2144 2011-07-28 21:37:10 <BlueMatt> well up to gtx 2XX, nvidia was better...but since fermi...
2145 2011-07-28 21:38:29 <eastender> do you need a sql database to run pushpool or no?
2146 2011-07-28 21:38:51 <cjdelisle> http://pastebay.com/133912
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2148 2011-07-28 21:39:05 <cjdelisle> 211107 khash/s
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2150 2011-07-28 21:39:15 <cjdelisle> bbiab food
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2159 2011-07-28 21:52:00 * cjdelisle realized his idiot mistake... & != |
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2163 2011-07-28 21:54:38 <BlueMatt> hehe
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2193 2011-07-28 22:26:05 <diki> provide a signed with a private key binary on your site
2194 2011-07-28 22:26:05 <diki> nao
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2223 2011-07-28 23:19:05 <macdada> hi, i'd like to suggest a simple but really useful feature: show lastest block number next to blocks downloaded by client number
2224 2011-07-28 23:20:00 <macdada> sth like "138296 / 138539"
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2226 2011-07-28 23:21:30 <forrestv> macdada, that's possible; other connecting p2p nodes tell bitcoin their current height on connection
2227 2011-07-28 23:21:41 <forrestv> but of course the block count will increase in the time since they connect
2228 2011-07-28 23:21:49 <forrestv> so it'd only be approximate
2229 2011-07-28 23:22:03 <macdada> 138296 / ~138539 ;-)
2230 2011-07-28 23:22:43 <macdada> but it's still faster looking at the number in the client than to check blockexplorer everytime i run the app ;]
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2232 2011-07-28 23:24:07 <drgr33n> Hey again guys. I asked a while ago about a small fix to the git version of bitcoin. Is anyone online ATM I can ask a few questions ?
2233 2011-07-28 23:24:36 <sacarlson> lfm: I was told you had some code that will convert code software to convert from nBits to difficulty number and difficulty number to nBits. I can't seem to find your github location if it's published where might it be?
2234 2011-07-28 23:24:46 <forrestv> drgr33n, ask away here
2235 2011-07-28 23:25:43 <drgr33n> Thanks I was trying to get things compiled via debian sid and came across a small error when compiling using boost 1.46
2236 2011-07-28 23:26:06 <drgr33n> I did post a patch on the bitcoin forum I'll link it
2237 2011-07-28 23:26:08 <drgr33n> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32577.0
2238 2011-07-28 23:26:48 <drgr33n> I'm no coder but after this patch things compiled and worked as expected but wanted to double check I'm not breaking anything by changing that line ?
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2241 2011-07-28 23:29:43 <macdada> i started `./bitcoin -daemon` on Mac OS X 10.6 and got LOTS of this errors:
2242 2011-07-28 23:29:44 <macdada> Break on __THE_PROCESS_HAS_FORKED_AND_YOU_CANNOT_USE_THIS_COREFOUNDATION_FUNCTIONALITY___YOU_MUST_EXEC__() to debug.
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2244 2011-07-28 23:31:27 <cjdelisle> haha that almost looks like a joke error
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2246 2011-07-28 23:31:57 <macdada> i dont get that joke :P
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2249 2011-07-28 23:32:19 <eian> Where in the source code is the hashtarger codified?
2250 2011-07-28 23:32:24 <eian> target*
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2252 2011-07-28 23:33:15 <sacarlson> eian: I guess you might call it codified as nBits
2253 2011-07-28 23:33:24 <eian> thanks
2254 2011-07-28 23:34:34 <forrestv> eian, in bitnum.h, method GetCompact()
2255 2011-07-28 23:34:55 <eian> forrestv, excellent - thanks
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2257 2011-07-28 23:43:37 <drgr33n> I'll assume the silence means its safe :D
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2260 2011-07-28 23:45:31 <forrestv> drgr33n, yeah ... that's non-essential functionality
2261 2011-07-28 23:45:48 <forrestv> you might want to test the option 'start when windows starts'
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2263 2011-07-28 23:45:54 <forrestv> because i think that's what it relates to
2264 2011-07-28 23:45:57 <drgr33n> cheers forrestv
2265 2011-07-28 23:46:11 <forrestv> then, read up on http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=4571.0
2266 2011-07-28 23:46:19 <forrestv> or just ask someone to submit one for you
2267 2011-07-28 23:46:35 <forrestv> boost is strange, though ... the problem might have to do with you having the wrong version or something
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2270 2011-07-28 23:48:49 <drgr33n> Ok ty I think it might be there for backward compatibility with previous versions of boost. Boost's documentation is a minefield lol
2271 2011-07-28 23:49:49 <drgr33n> with that change it would only compile on boost > 1.40
2272 2011-07-28 23:49:59 <drgr33n> *1.46 sorry
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2275 2011-07-28 23:51:19 <sacarlson> I guess I will have to reverse this function GetDifficulty() to get what I need, I was hoping it had already been done.
2276 2011-07-28 23:52:30 <sacarlson> DifficultyTo_nBits()?
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2278 2011-07-28 23:53:20 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,blocks
2279 2011-07-28 23:53:21 <gribble> 138542
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