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10 2011-07-29 00:18:17 <macdada> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/PHP_developer_intro How do I make sure that my PHP supports 64-bit numbers?
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17 2011-07-29 00:36:48 <jine> What is the maximum length of a comment on a transaction? If there is a limit?
18 2011-07-29 00:37:01 <jine> macdada: Use a 64bit os.
19 2011-07-29 00:38:39 <BlueMatt> why are you asking about tx comments?
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21 2011-07-29 00:40:16 <jine> BlueMatt: Cause i want to know?
22 2011-07-29 00:40:39 <BlueMatt> well currently, they probably wont get added to any blocks, so the current limit is 0
23 2011-07-29 00:40:52 <macdada> why do i get an exception trying phpjsonrpc $bitcoin->getaccount()?
24 2011-07-29 00:41:25 <cosurgi> is there a polish bitcoin irc channel?
25 2011-07-29 00:41:45 <BlueMatt> not afaik
26 2011-07-29 00:41:48 <macdada> cosurgi: nie wydaje mi siÄ ;) (i dont think so)
27 2011-07-29 00:41:58 <ewal> are we talking about the tx comments that are stored only in the local wallet? I use them and find them useful as self reminders why I sent some BTC to someone
28 2011-07-29 00:42:11 <BlueMatt> oh those, well then nvm
29 2011-07-29 00:42:20 <BlueMatt> I thought he was asking about OP_DROP comments in txes
30 2011-07-29 00:43:09 <cosurgi> I'm wondering what's going on polish forums about bitomat. Few pages of posts got deleted?
31 2011-07-29 00:43:51 <BlueMatt> if it happens on the forums: meh, who the hell uses those any more?
32 2011-07-29 00:44:00 <cosurgi> I joined bitcoin-pl, there are 5 people
33 2011-07-29 00:45:56 <TuxBlackEdo> is there a czech bitcoin channel?
34 2011-07-29 00:46:56 <TuxBlackEdo> bitcoin-cz, 2 people, me and some other guy
35 2011-07-29 00:48:06 <luke-jr> Mining software authors: advice please! https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=24336.msg407282#msg407282
36 2011-07-29 00:48:21 <luke-jr> macdada: I'm pretty sure all PHP supports 64-bit numbers
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39 2011-07-29 00:50:17 <macdada> luke-jr: if that's for sure, i wish bitcoin wiki wouldnt say otherwise ;)
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41 2011-07-29 00:52:16 <luke-jr> macdada: PHP docs say it's platform-dependent, but I know at least 32-bit x86 supports 64-bit floats
42 2011-07-29 00:52:40 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, not all 32 bit x86
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44 2011-07-29 00:52:52 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: hmm?
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47 2011-07-29 00:53:08 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, it depends on which FPU you build php with
48 2011-07-29 00:53:28 <phantomcircuit> if you use the x87 one then you get 32 bit floats iirc
49 2011-07-29 00:53:51 <luke-jr> there, I added "(again, this is very rare)"
50 2011-07-29 00:54:11 <phantomcircuit> using the x87 fpu isn't actually that rare
51 2011-07-29 00:54:29 <phantomcircuit> if you build from source on a p4 you get x87 iirc
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53 2011-07-29 00:56:04 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: care to /j #eligius plz
54 2011-07-29 00:56:14 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: p4 is ancient
55 2011-07-29 00:56:23 <cjdelisle> there
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57 2011-07-29 00:56:29 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, still not completely uncommon
58 2011-07-29 00:56:40 <phantomcircuit> i have a p4 acting as a server actually
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61 2011-07-29 01:00:53 <gjs278> tom's did a single cpu thread benchmark
62 2011-07-29 01:00:55 <gjs278> p4 was lol
63 2011-07-29 01:01:50 <gjs278> http://media.bestofmicro.com/I/O/298752/original/overall.png
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72 2011-07-29 01:30:37 <nhodges> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32685.0
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75 2011-07-29 01:37:51 <pakaran> hi, i am doing some thiings to test blockexplorer, and would be happy if anyone would send me TESTNET bitcoins at mqq9ERHgecr1ncuiXFQ5kz4Ui2L8FGvMx1
76 2011-07-29 01:37:58 <pakaran> thanks much in advance
77 2011-07-29 01:39:31 <forrestv> pakaran, just sent you 1234tbtc - 095380d97cb65362090080a75b737853aa98aa9ad70460ed1c87f9da7406d790
78 2011-07-29 01:39:37 <pakaran> thanks
79 2011-07-29 01:39:47 <pakaran> when i'm done with them, do you want them back, or donated to the faucet?
80 2011-07-29 01:40:02 <pakaran> just saw the transfer, thanks much
81 2011-07-29 01:40:16 <pakaran> just have to wait for someone to start mining on testnet so it gets confirmations
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83 2011-07-29 01:40:19 <pakaran> don't have a gpu or i would
84 2011-07-29 01:40:38 <pakaran> (or, rather, i use a laptop with a crap intel gpu)
85 2011-07-29 01:41:15 <forrestv> pakaran, i don't care, faucet is fine
86 2011-07-29 01:41:28 <pakaran> ok
87 2011-07-29 01:41:31 <pakaran> will do, thanks
88 2011-07-29 01:41:46 <pakaran> that way anyone who needs them and is willing to go crazy solving captchas can pick up a few
89 2011-07-29 01:41:53 <pakaran> though i admit i'm crazy to be doing this testng stoned
90 2011-07-29 01:42:02 <pakaran> i want to see how bitcoin combines coins to different addresses
91 2011-07-29 01:42:11 <pakaran> so like i'll send 20 to each of a bunch of my own addresses
92 2011-07-29 01:42:23 <pakaran> and then make a big payment to myself, and look at how it shows up in block explorer
93 2011-07-29 01:42:29 <forrestv> hahah, ok
94 2011-07-29 01:42:30 <pakaran> i expect i'll have to pay a transaction fee
95 2011-07-29 01:43:15 <pakaran> i'll think about what i plan to do some more while waiting for the first confirmation
96 2011-07-29 01:44:54 * Zagitta hates linux and it's bloody habbit of wasting time with stupid errors
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99 2011-07-29 01:47:55 <freewil> lol do we have a quotes page on the wiki?
100 2011-07-29 01:48:08 <freewil> <pakaran> though i admit i'm crazy to be doing this testng stoned
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102 2011-07-29 01:49:40 <luke-jr> FYI: Eligius has over 14k different User-Agents, but only 21 of them are correctly rolling ntime
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104 2011-07-29 02:01:04 <Backburn> ^^^^^^^^
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109 2011-07-29 02:11:06 <Rabbit67890> WIN!
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111 2011-07-29 02:11:10 <Rabbit67890> or FAIL
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116 2011-07-29 02:12:59 <joepie91> just going to leave this here: by combining http://www.tahoe-lafs.org/ with bitcoin it might be possible to get redundant decentralized p2p for-bitcoins storage space
117 2011-07-29 02:13:00 <joepie91> / backup space
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119 2011-07-29 02:13:16 <joepie91> its probably not something I could pull off
120 2011-07-29 02:13:19 <upb> wtf, still not arrested
121 2011-07-29 02:13:20 <joepie91> but I can't see why it would not work :P
122 2011-07-29 02:13:26 <joepie91> ..
123 2011-07-29 02:13:30 <b4epoche_> joepie91: been discussed
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125 2011-07-29 02:14:11 <joepie91> and the result was...? :P
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127 2011-07-29 02:15:22 <b4epoche_> a discussion
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131 2011-07-29 02:16:09 <b4epoche_> I think it was agreed that tahoe isn't great for a real p2p system⦠you'd really have to figure out how much redundancy you'd need for high availability
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133 2011-07-29 02:17:23 <joepie91> mm, if you would just 'charge' someone by the kb, someone could choose himself how redundant he wants to make it
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135 2011-07-29 02:17:45 <joepie91> the more redundant, the larger the expansion rate, the more it costs
136 2011-07-29 02:18:11 <b4epoche_> well, that's hard to figure⦠how often is at least one 'source' going to be reachable?
137 2011-07-29 02:18:33 <joepie91> stats could be kept on that of course
138 2011-07-29 02:18:39 <joepie91> and used to determine what a good redundancy would be
139 2011-07-29 02:19:17 <b4epoche_> yea, that's what you'd need to figure out
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142 2011-07-29 02:22:36 <joepie91> that could be done based on past availability stats
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144 2011-07-29 02:22:47 <joepie91> but there would not be much difference between, say
145 2011-07-29 02:22:56 <joepie91> 10 out of 200 encoding
146 2011-07-29 02:23:01 <joepie91> and 15 out of 200 encoding
147 2011-07-29 02:23:05 <joepie91> in terms if required storage space
148 2011-07-29 02:24:17 <b4epoche_> yea, seems like 100's would be adequately redundant and really not eat up much space
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150 2011-07-29 02:25:22 <b4epoche_> but you'd probably have to embed tahoe in bitcoin client to get enough 'nodes'
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153 2011-07-29 02:26:22 <joepie91> yes, I'm not sure how to do that correctly
154 2011-07-29 02:26:33 <joepie91> like, make it fully p2p without needing a centralized introduction server
155 2011-07-29 02:26:56 <joepie91> it would be best if it could work over the bitcoin network
156 2011-07-29 02:27:00 <joepie91> but I'm not sure if that is even technically possible
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172 2011-07-29 02:59:37 <CIA-103> bitcoin: m0mchil bugfix_workspecific_rollntime * rcb1c41c0613f poclbm-personal/Transport.py: fixed bug in calculating true target from nBits http://tinyurl.com/4444neg
173 2011-07-29 02:59:39 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr bugfix_workspecific_rollntime * r2e0debe62ab1 poclbm-personal/HttpTransport.py: Bugfix: Only look for X-Roll-NTime header when getting new work http://tinyurl.com/3qo2j3o
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202 2011-07-29 05:04:48 <luke-jr> wc!434d57f1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.77.87.241|Does this look like a botnet to anyone? http://eligius.st/~artefact2/5/19BLtj3bSsJjfHp8b47eDwfGBRLognDDu2
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240 2011-07-29 06:13:03 <josephcp> that's a lot of stales
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248 2011-07-29 06:22:34 <kartmetal> the daily wave shape is definitely unusual.
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252 2011-07-29 06:28:38 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr|wc, seems more like someone using a very old client not doing pushpool
253 2011-07-29 06:28:51 <phantomcircuit> oh wait
254 2011-07-29 06:28:59 <phantomcircuit> yes it does looking at the hash rate graph
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267 2011-07-29 07:19:40 <asm> added a bunch of pools to http://bitrigs.com/pools
268 2011-07-29 07:19:46 <asm> let me know if I missed any
269 2011-07-29 07:22:44 <imsaguy> you grabbed all the pools in guiminer?
270 2011-07-29 07:23:10 <imsaguy> asm
271 2011-07-29 07:23:21 <asm> hrm
272 2011-07-29 07:23:59 <asm> I wasn't aware it had a list
273 2011-07-29 07:24:53 <imsaguy> yeah, there's a dropdown box
274 2011-07-29 07:25:05 <imsaguy> to make it easy for n00bs ot get started
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276 2011-07-29 07:25:10 <asm> haha, nice
277 2011-07-29 07:25:13 <asm> I've never used it
278 2011-07-29 07:25:14 <imsaguy> I'd say compare to that
279 2011-07-29 07:25:27 <imsaguy> hold on, I'll fire it up and check for you
280 2011-07-29 07:25:30 <asm> k
281 2011-07-29 07:25:31 <asm> tx
282 2011-07-29 07:26:11 <imsaguy> they refer to bitcoin.cz as slush's pool
283 2011-07-29 07:26:17 <asm> yeah
284 2011-07-29 07:26:19 <imsaguy> so i don't know if you wanna throw that in there somewhere
285 2011-07-29 07:26:54 <asm> I guess I could change the name
286 2011-07-29 07:27:32 <Habbie> imsaguy, oh wow. that had me confused for weeks. thanks for clearing that up :)
287 2011-07-29 07:27:40 <imsaguy> really?
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289 2011-07-29 07:27:54 <imsaguy> asm, do whatever. I don't know whats better
290 2011-07-29 07:28:01 <asm> the older pools have confusing names
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292 2011-07-29 07:29:03 <imsaguy> I just pm'd you a list of the ones in guiminer
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333 2011-07-29 08:47:07 <graingert> anyone want to write a bitcoin plugin for diaspora?
334 2011-07-29 08:47:41 <graingert> so one can go from arbitrary p2p transactions all the way to a witcoin style pay to chat system
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349 2011-07-29 09:12:46 <da2ce7> tcatm, how many hits do you get on bitcoin charts
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352 2011-07-29 09:15:27 <tcatm> da2ce7: > 3 million/month
353 2011-07-29 09:15:42 <da2ce7> ouch
354 2011-07-29 09:15:48 <da2ce7> are you on a dedicated server?
355 2011-07-29 09:16:39 <tcatm> yes
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358 2011-07-29 09:34:22 <vegard> the controlled deflation is nice, though. it means that people will want to own bitcoins. what is the best way to own them? to accept them as payment for goods or services.
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395 2011-07-29 10:57:06 <mtve> wtf was that? :) http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/#74dd96e5370fa461d808775db5eed329e456837aea55a16ebe7b9f42eb238b76
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397 2011-07-29 10:57:50 <sacarlson> well I got this to work in most cases as a utility to convert difficulty to nBits value and nBits to difficulty http://paste.ubuntu.com/654410/
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399 2011-07-29 10:58:24 <sacarlson> as I suck as a programer at least I get the values I needed
400 2011-07-29 10:58:28 <tcatm> mtve: interesting...
401 2011-07-29 10:58:37 <tcatm> mtve: it *should* be invalid
402 2011-07-29 10:59:03 <BlueMatt> tcatm: it cant get blocked, but it passes acceptance...which it shouldnt
403 2011-07-29 10:59:11 <mtve> tcatm: it is, and afaiu the values of BTC are much bigger, it's just probably a decoder error
404 2011-07-29 10:59:28 <BlueMatt> it uses the same input twice
405 2011-07-29 10:59:35 <BlueMatt> an input which uses the same input twice
406 2011-07-29 10:59:35 <tcatm> BlueMatt: yep
407 2011-07-29 10:59:36 <BlueMatt> and so on
408 2011-07-29 10:59:47 <mtve> it was propagated over network and not included in chain, so the official client is ok.
409 2011-07-29 11:00:11 <tcatm> it should be rejected as soon as it is received, though
410 2011-07-29 11:00:24 <BlueMatt> tp
411 2011-07-29 11:00:25 <BlueMatt> yep
412 2011-07-29 11:01:28 <mtve> output value is more then 32-bit perl integer can handle :(
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414 2011-07-29 11:02:15 <tcatm> and I should improve bitcoincharts to automatically remove double spends
415 2011-07-29 11:02:49 <mtve> i get back my words, values are decoded correctly
416 2011-07-29 11:03:04 <tcatm> I just emptied the list.
417 2011-07-29 11:03:10 <erus`> tcatm: how do you detect them?
418 2011-07-29 11:03:46 <tcatm> erus`: there were a few transactions whose inputs were already used in other transactions
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420 2011-07-29 11:04:43 <erus`> yeah but which is the real one?
421 2011-07-29 11:04:51 <tcatm> the one that makes it into the chain
422 2011-07-29 11:05:32 <mtve> tcatm: you've destroyed the only link from http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=d7073bc0b3d24b856a2277955c80fe9b80146f420cf693d5c794468d0ab04b30 :)
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424 2011-07-29 11:06:23 <tcatm> mtve: I have backups ;)
425 2011-07-29 11:06:44 <BlueMatt> tcatm: it would be nicer if you leave all txes that make it into mem pool on the page, even if they are invalid...as it indicates bitcoin bugs
426 2011-07-29 11:07:00 <tcatm> BlueMatt: maybe on a separate page?
427 2011-07-29 11:07:10 <BlueMatt> sure
428 2011-07-29 11:07:29 <tcatm> will do it when I have some time to work on that part
429 2011-07-29 11:07:54 <BlueMatt> well Id say dont remove anything from the page manually until then :)
430 2011-07-29 11:08:08 <BlueMatt> s/say/ask that you/
431 2011-07-29 11:09:01 <mtve> 12 millions of BTC, mmm :)
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439 2011-07-29 11:36:33 <BitcoinForNewegg> dont delete
440 2011-07-29 11:36:40 <BitcoinForNewegg> they canh still make it into the chain
441 2011-07-29 11:36:56 <BitcoinForNewegg> if someone branches the chain, they can use that other transaction
442 2011-07-29 11:37:08 <mtve> not that one for sure
443 2011-07-29 11:37:37 <BitcoinForNewegg> it can
444 2011-07-29 11:37:44 <BitcoinForNewegg> if someone branches the chain way back
445 2011-07-29 11:38:23 <mtve> there are only 6.9 MBTC yet, and that one tx mention 12 MBTS :)
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447 2011-07-29 11:44:17 <BlueMatt> no, those txes cant make it into a block
448 2011-07-29 11:44:33 <BlueMatt> if someone does put them in a block, that block will be rejected by everyone else on the network
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450 2011-07-29 11:45:04 <BlueMatt> any fake tx can get into a block, but everyone will reject that block
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456 2011-07-29 11:54:43 <ersi> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/07/leveldb-fast-persistent-key-value-store.html
457 2011-07-29 11:54:47 <ersi> Interesting
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461 2011-07-29 12:08:30 <accel> is there anywhere
462 2011-07-29 12:08:33 <accel> that I can buy stuff
463 2011-07-29 12:08:35 <accel> using bitcoin?
464 2011-07-29 12:08:39 <graingert> accel: here
465 2011-07-29 12:08:42 <graingert> accel: bit-pay
466 2011-07-29 12:08:46 <graingert> accel: bunch of places
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482 2011-07-29 12:58:45 <erus`> accel some guy is selling his car on reddit for BTC
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533 2011-07-29 14:48:40 <cjdelisle> Goofie idea of the morning: You can save on storage space by having numerous chains which depend on the same work and use mircle trees so that all are referenced from the master chain (merged mining). A given transaction input goes into the chain whose "id" is closest to the hash of the sigScript which it is claiming. This way the proof that a script has not been claimed requires much less storage.
534 2011-07-29 14:49:32 <cjdelisle> I don't think it could be patched in without massively breaking backward compat though so it's just a goofie idea.
535 2011-07-29 14:51:14 <jrmithdobbs> did you mean merkle or miracle trees?
536 2011-07-29 14:51:14 <jrmithdobbs> heh
537 2011-07-29 14:51:41 * cjdelisle can't splel
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539 2011-07-29 14:52:20 <gmaxwell> You couldn't do full validation without all of them.. and if you're not doing full validation the merkle trees already let you pull out deeply fractional bits of the trees.
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541 2011-07-29 14:53:57 <cjdelisle> full validation? You mean without the miners having the whole picture, people would be able to insert horribly silly things into the chain?
542 2011-07-29 14:55:05 <Eliel> cjdelisle: the idea is that you can only be sure of the lack of double spend attempts if you have all transactions.
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544 2011-07-29 14:56:08 <Eliel> however, the actual transaction is not needed. Only the knowledge of whether it has been spent or not. That could be stored with simple bitmasks. Would reduce storage requirements but not bandwidth nor processing requirements.
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546 2011-07-29 14:56:33 <cjdelisle> My idea is that if you only honer transactions whose inputs are added to a chain that is "closest" to the hash of the sigscript, by checking there (a relitively low traffic area) you can prove that it wasn't spent.
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549 2011-07-29 15:00:40 <gmaxwell> Eliel: bitmasks don't make senseâ just because they can't be securely subdivided. A hash tree of open transactions would, but still isn't great for nodes which are validating more than a little.
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551 2011-07-29 15:02:38 <Eliel> gmaxwell: I can't say I know every nook and cranny of the code but outpoint has block hash and transaction number, no? you can store an array of bytes for each block with a bit for each transaction indicating whether it's been spent or not.
552 2011-07-29 15:02:55 <Eliel> and just check that.
553 2011-07-29 15:03:53 <gmaxwell> Eliel: Yes, but I can't give you a fractional copy of that map which you can validate.
554 2011-07-29 15:04:16 <Eliel> gmaxwell: of course. Hence it wouldn't reduce processing or bandwidth needs.
555 2011-07-29 15:04:21 <Eliel> only storage
556 2011-07-29 15:04:22 <gmaxwell> And it would already be enormous, much bigger than the current blocks.
557 2011-07-29 15:04:38 <gmaxwell> Why do you think it would reduce storage?
558 2011-07-29 15:04:57 <gmaxwell> You'd still need a copy of the input to do something with it.
559 2011-07-29 15:05:02 <Eliel> you store one bit per transaction instead of hundreds of bytes.
560 2011-07-29 15:05:53 <gmaxwell> Nah, you still need the open txn so when it is spent you can validate that the spend followed the rules
561 2011-07-29 15:06:32 <Eliel> oh true, you'd have to ask some other node that has it.
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563 2011-07-29 15:07:24 <Eliel> not useful for a full client, this method.
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565 2011-07-29 15:07:46 <gmaxwell> Well, then you have the fun challenge of then not knowing if it was really right right one for your bitmap slot
566 2011-07-29 15:12:23 <Eliel> gmaxwell: yes, hence you'd need the full merkle tree up to the transaction.
567 2011-07-29 15:12:39 <Eliel> ah no, merkle branch
568 2011-07-29 15:14:51 <Eliel> ok, so it'd save on storage but increase bandwidth requirements.
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571 2011-07-29 15:16:04 <Eliel> would need enough changes that it would be somewhat incompatible with bitcoin protocol as it is I guess.
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574 2011-07-29 15:20:18 <Eliel> although, not incompatible with the blockchain.
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576 2011-07-29 15:21:41 <gmaxwell> Eliel: well, asking clients for tree fragments to find transactions is something litemode clients will need to do regardless.
577 2011-07-29 15:22:52 <Eliel> could litemode clients benefit from a bitarray like I explained?
578 2011-07-29 15:23:40 <Eliel> I can't think of a way to verify those masks though.
579 2011-07-29 15:24:14 <gmaxwell> You don't use a bitmask, you use a merkle tree of open transactions.
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581 2011-07-29 15:25:43 <Eliel> how is that built? Is there a wiki article you can point me at? Alternatively, the source code file & function would work too.
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583 2011-07-29 15:30:20 <Eliel> ah, I might have found it
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585 2011-07-29 15:30:28 <Eliel> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=6133.0;all
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589 2011-07-29 15:36:29 <aviadbd> hey guys. anyone know what's the "hash1" parameter in the response for "getwork" method in the JSON-RPC API ?
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609 2011-07-29 16:23:55 <jav__> Announce time :-) --> Instawallet now supports sending from a specific "green address" as a way to verify the origin of the transaction (can be used to do instant payments based on trusting Instawallet to not double-spend), more details here: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32818.0
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614 2011-07-29 16:30:37 <Firefly007> i sent btc from my old windows wallet to my new linux wallet 3 days ago I payed the fee and it still never showed up
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616 2011-07-29 16:31:58 <nanotube> Firefly007: what addr did you send to? you can check on bbe or bcharts if the tx is out there
617 2011-07-29 16:33:23 <Nicksasa> i had the same thing like 2 weeks ago, txid doesn't exist
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622 2011-07-29 16:37:27 <sacarlson> cjdelisle: you should look at the already working escrow transactions on the MultiCoin branch
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624 2011-07-29 16:37:53 <cjdelisle> Is there a file I should look at?
625 2011-07-29 16:38:38 <cjdelisle> just name it, I'll be able to stumble around and find it in github
626 2011-07-29 16:39:05 <sacarlson> cjdelisle: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=24209.msg300830#msg300830
627 2011-07-29 16:39:38 <cjdelisle> bookmarked, thanks
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629 2011-07-29 16:43:44 <Firefly009> nanotube: thanks for your help
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632 2011-07-29 16:47:19 <Firefly009> I got a question if you guys dont mind?
633 2011-07-29 16:47:28 <xelister> Firefly009: I mind.
634 2011-07-29 16:47:39 <xelister> Firefly009: don't ask to ask.. lol
635 2011-07-29 16:47:40 <CydeWeys> Don't ask to ask.
636 2011-07-29 16:48:13 <Firefly009> I sent btc from my windows wallet to my new linux wallet 3 days ago and i payed the fee and still dont see the btc in my new wallet
637 2011-07-29 16:48:40 <CydeWeys> Was the computer you were sending from attached to the Internet?
638 2011-07-29 16:48:59 <Firefly009> yes
639 2011-07-29 16:49:09 <CydeWeys> Fundamentally what you need to do is clear the transactions out of your old wallet, rescan the blockchain, and you should see all of those coins available to send again.
640 2011-07-29 16:49:51 <CydeWeys> And whatever you do, make a backup before you use any sort of external program that modifies your wallet.dat.
641 2011-07-29 16:50:50 <Firefly009> how do i do that? when i go to blockexplorer it the btc i sent is included in the "BTC Sent" totals
642 2011-07-29 16:54:58 <CydeWeys> Firefly009: Huh?
643 2011-07-29 16:55:21 <CydeWeys> Firefly009: So you do see the transaction on BlockExplorer?
644 2011-07-29 16:55:23 <Firefly009> how do o clear out the transaction?
645 2011-07-29 16:55:39 <Firefly009> i dont think i do or i dont know what i am looking at
646 2011-07-29 16:55:45 <CydeWeys> Link me to what you're looking at.
647 2011-07-29 16:56:00 <Firefly009> but the when you look at the total btc sent the amount i sent is included
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650 2011-07-29 17:03:39 <Nicksasa> CydeWeys, mind explaining how to clear the transactions out of the wallet ?
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653 2011-07-29 17:07:50 <CydeWeys> Nicksasa: Dunno, the wallet is a binary file, but hopefully there's tools to do it.
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657 2011-07-29 17:10:25 <gmaxwell> There are instructions on the forum.
658 2011-07-29 17:10:29 <diki> not like i can code, but...
659 2011-07-29 17:10:30 <gmaxwell> It's a pain.
660 2011-07-29 17:10:32 <diki> even if i could
661 2011-07-29 17:10:38 <gmaxwell> Nicksasa: Why do you ask?
662 2011-07-29 17:10:38 <diki> there's nothing i want to code
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664 2011-07-29 17:11:01 <Nicksasa> i sended 0.5btc from my linux box in a row of transactions
665 2011-07-29 17:11:15 <Nicksasa> the txid i got doesn't exist, never received the coins
666 2011-07-29 17:11:32 <gmaxwell> Just leave the sending client connected it will reannounce it.
667 2011-07-29 17:11:41 <Nicksasa> ...
668 2011-07-29 17:11:46 <Nicksasa> it has been for almost 2 weeks now
669 2011-07-29 17:12:04 <gmaxwell> What version of bitcoin are you using?
670 2011-07-29 17:12:10 <Nicksasa> if i look up the send and receive addresses on blockexplorer there's no sign of the 0.5btc transaction
671 2011-07-29 17:12:41 <gmaxwell> The official client will not generate transactions which will not confirm, at least if you're on a current version and it's unmodified.
672 2011-07-29 17:12:44 <Nicksasa> .23
673 2011-07-29 17:13:07 <Nicksasa> i did modify the min tx fee to 0 but that's the only thing
674 2011-07-29 17:13:13 <gmaxwell> ...
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676 2011-07-29 17:13:20 <gmaxwell> The minimum TX fee is already zero.
677 2011-07-29 17:13:30 <Nicksasa> never worked for me on my linux box
678 2011-07-29 17:13:36 <Nicksasa> still took the fee no matter what
679 2011-07-29 17:13:47 <gmaxwell> I will help you fix your wallet, but only if you go to the thread where that zero fee patch / build is posted and tell them that it broke you.
680 2011-07-29 17:14:04 <Nicksasa> ... all my other tx'es went fine
681 2011-07-29 17:14:30 <gmaxwell> Nicksasa: no, it only takes a fee when it have had to have one. Which is usually not the case, but if you're always quickly turning around money in a mostly empty wallet it may be.
682 2011-07-29 17:14:34 <CydeWeys> Hahaha, people don't realize that when the client wants a fee, there's a reason for it.
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684 2011-07-29 17:15:02 <Nicksasa> ...
685 2011-07-29 17:15:12 <gmaxwell> Yes because they didn't need one. Most transactions don't and the client doesn't apply one when its not needed unless you tell it to.
686 2011-07-29 17:16:01 <CydeWeys> How come bitcoind has no listaddresses command?
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689 2011-07-29 17:16:39 <Nicksasa> gmaxwell, i understand that, but i would have expected the coins to be matured by now
690 2011-07-29 17:16:56 <gmaxwell> CydeWeys: people are promoting some stupid patch that breaks it, and arguing that the patch is fine because most of the time it doesn't cause problems. Ignoring the fact that nost of the time the client doesn't insist on a fee.
691 2011-07-29 17:17:11 <forrestv> jgarzik, what led you to disable target checking on cpuminer? https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/commit/b2372e70f0dc270877e25831d8b62e04881cd054
692 2011-07-29 17:17:18 <gmaxwell> Nicksasa: well, if you know the input you can run the priority forumla by hand.
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694 2011-07-29 17:17:47 <Nicksasa> oh well, recompiling a clean bitcoind atm
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696 2011-07-29 17:18:17 <jgarzik> forrestv: it did not work on one platform
697 2011-07-29 17:19:14 <nanotube> jgarzik: well it's probably a good idea to reenable it, since (a) not all pools will stay with diff=1 for shares, and (b) that includes p2pool ;)
698 2011-07-29 17:19:58 <forrestv> people get a little confused when half of their shares get rejected :/
699 2011-07-29 17:20:10 <forrestv> what platform was that?
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702 2011-07-29 17:22:27 <jgarzik> nanotube, forrestv: then talk to the cgminer maintainer...
703 2011-07-29 17:23:38 <nanotube> heh ok :)
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708 2011-07-29 17:27:50 <cjdelisle> Maybe the client ought to ask for the fee but offer a [I don't want to pay and understand the transaction might fail] button.
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718 2011-07-29 17:36:58 <CydeWeys> cjdelisle: I think that's probably still too confusing for the default client. Why let them try to do something that will in all likelihood break?
719 2011-07-29 17:37:13 <CydeWeys> You know most users don't actually read dialog windows anyway.
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722 2011-07-29 17:38:35 <gmaxwell> cjdelisle: it's not that it "might fail", it's that it will get stuck and wedge your coins in an unusable state, and potentially confuses the recipient.
723 2011-07-29 17:38:48 <gmaxwell> (e.g. if the TXN makes it to them but still won't confirm)
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725 2011-07-29 17:39:01 <cjdelisle> ahh I see
726 2011-07-29 17:39:19 <cjdelisle> yes that is bad since if you pay them again then they might get both
727 2011-07-29 17:40:33 <nanotube> yes, that's one reason it may be risky to accept 0conf tx
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729 2011-07-29 17:41:06 <denisx> jgarzik: I have push pool now running with ipv6, seems to work as expected
730 2011-07-29 17:41:17 <nanotube> someone might send you a really low-priority (or even invalid, per minfee requirements) tx by skipping out on the fee. then they have plenty of time to doublespend.
731 2011-07-29 17:41:26 <jgarzik> denisx: great
732 2011-07-29 17:41:50 <jrmithdobbs> denisx: pushpool always worked with ipv6 for me?
733 2011-07-29 17:41:59 <jrmithdobbs> i didn't have to do anything but build
734 2011-07-29 17:42:09 <cjdelisle> hmm that sounds like a good argument for using "password transactions" exclusively. You broadcast the password tx and then only when you have one confirm you send them the password.
735 2011-07-29 17:42:16 <denisx> jrmithdobbs: also great! ;)
736 2011-07-29 17:42:17 <jrmithdobbs> denisx: months ago
737 2011-07-29 17:42:23 <denisx> jrmithdobbs: even better!
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740 2011-07-29 17:43:13 <nanotube> cjdelisle: why not just use regular transactions, and wait for 1conf? :)
741 2011-07-29 17:44:21 <cjdelisle> The only advantage with passwd is if for some reason (cheap bastard) it doesn't make the chain, then a week later it does, you can get your money back because you have the only copy of the password.
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743 2011-07-29 17:44:55 <CydeWeys> You'd also get your money back if you never sent the transaction in the first place.
744 2011-07-29 17:45:06 <CydeWeys> (Well, for an identity definition of "get your money back".)
745 2011-07-29 17:46:32 <cjdelisle> The risk is you send someone some money and they don't get it because you're too cheap to pay the tx fee, you pay them again because the first payment didn't "go through", but the first payment is still valid and it lingers arouns waiting for a kind miner to let it in to the chain.
746 2011-07-29 17:46:46 <cjdelisle> When he does, you have paid the other party twice.
747 2011-07-29 17:48:39 <cjdelisle> blargh.. with passwd, 2 people have the passwd... RACE!
748 2011-07-29 17:48:44 * cjdelisle rambles
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751 2011-07-29 17:54:14 <CydeWeys> passwd generates two transfers for every one actual transaction. First you do the TX that sends to a password, then they do a TX that sends from the passworded address (they won't want to leave it there because you still know the password).
752 2011-07-29 17:54:34 <CydeWeys> And if they're smart they'll wait until that second transaction confirms.
753 2011-07-29 17:56:31 <cjdelisle> yea which takes forever and spams the chain... /me has a(nother) stupid idea
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760 2011-07-29 18:09:14 <Eliel> jav__: that green address idea is nice :)
761 2011-07-29 18:09:43 <jav__> Eliel: thx :-)
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795 2011-07-29 18:43:54 <davex__> As of 0.3.24, does wallet.dat still have to be in same folder as rest of datadir? Or can you use same datadir for multiple wallets?
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805 2011-07-29 19:02:25 <jgarzik> davex__: wallet.dat is part of the Berkeley DB database environment, which is bitcoin's datadir. all the files in datadir belong together; bitcoin (through db) looks at them as a single unit.
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810 2011-07-29 19:09:04 <davex__> jgarzik, ah.
811 2011-07-29 19:09:46 <davex__> which also means the wallet can't be separated from the block chain. ie can't just move another wallet into datadir and have it just "work"
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822 2011-07-29 19:17:44 <jgarzik> davex__: you can swap out one wallet.dat for another, provided that bitcoin is fully shut down
823 2011-07-29 19:17:57 <davex__> Oh ok. that didn't used to be possible i thought.
824 2011-07-29 19:19:46 <davex__> or maybe i just did it wrong somehow. last tried that in like november.
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826 2011-07-29 19:20:46 <Eliel> jgarzik: isn't the -rescan parameter needed if you switch wallet?
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828 2011-07-29 19:21:15 <jgarzik> Eliel: yes, that is recommended
829 2011-07-29 19:22:10 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: Eliel not anymore
830 2011-07-29 19:22:21 <BlueMatt> its unnecessary these days
831 2011-07-29 19:22:29 <Eliel> oh, good to know
832 2011-07-29 19:22:35 <davex__> because it always "rescans"?
833 2011-07-29 19:22:39 <BlueMatt> yes
834 2011-07-29 19:22:44 <BlueMatt> it always does a partial rescan
835 2011-07-29 19:23:25 <davex__> ok. That makes me happy. thought i'd have to download the whole effing block chain again.
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842 2011-07-29 19:31:17 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: where is the partial rescan triggered in 0.3.24?
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844 2011-07-29 19:32:21 <jgarzik> nevermind, I see it
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846 2011-07-29 19:40:37 <davex__> BlueMatt: Can the new encryption stuff be enabled from bitcoind? or gui only?
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850 2011-07-29 19:41:30 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rfc6df1a / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Apparently, there are pools that shut ntime rolling off for LP - https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/fc6df1a4dec7701595ec30be3facc09a6e7ce224 https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/fc6df1a4dec7701595ec30be3facc09a6e7ce224
851 2011-07-29 19:41:41 <BlueMatt> davex__: both
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869 2011-07-29 20:00:31 <drgr33n> Hey guys does anybody have a link to info on how I submit a patch to git ?
870 2011-07-29 20:00:47 <drgr33n> Someone did link me yesterday but can't find it now lol
871 2011-07-29 20:00:58 <nanotube> using github, or using plain git?
872 2011-07-29 20:01:15 <nanotube> if former, you do a 'pull request'. if latter, you do a git format-patch, and email it in.
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874 2011-07-29 20:01:18 <drgr33n> whatever's easiest or if someone could submit this for me ?
875 2011-07-29 20:01:22 <BlueMatt> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=4571.0
876 2011-07-29 20:01:56 <Diablo-D3> as a warning
877 2011-07-29 20:01:59 <Diablo-D3> if I get an emailed patch
878 2011-07-29 20:02:04 <Diablo-D3> I will kill them
879 2011-07-29 20:02:15 <nanotube> BlueMatt: he didn't say he wanted to submit a patch to /bitcoin/ git :P
880 2011-07-29 20:02:21 <drgr33n> lol
881 2011-07-29 20:02:30 <drgr33n> I do though :D
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883 2011-07-29 20:02:37 <BlueMatt> well those instructions arent hard to generalize
884 2011-07-29 20:02:38 <nanotube> hehe ic. in that case read that link BlueMatt sent :)
885 2011-07-29 20:02:46 <drgr33n> :D
886 2011-07-29 20:02:49 <Diablo-D3> just send a fucking github pull request
887 2011-07-29 20:03:10 <nanotube> not every git user user github, Diablo-D3
888 2011-07-29 20:03:33 <drgr33n> Ok !! I will don't worry :D I'm no programmer though so no need a github account.
889 2011-07-29 20:05:14 <BlueMatt> if its a huge pain, just email it to someone, or post the patch itself somewhere and link
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892 2011-07-29 20:05:49 <copumpkin> Diablo-D3 is very angry
893 2011-07-29 20:05:59 <BlueMatt> he always is
894 2011-07-29 20:06:16 * copumpkin gives Diablo-D3 a hug
895 2011-07-29 20:06:16 <nanotube> in other news, water is wet. tune in at 11 for more exciting details!
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897 2011-07-29 20:06:41 <BlueMatt> in yet further news, luke calls people bigots
898 2011-07-29 20:08:21 <Diablo-D3> drgr33n: github accounts are for things other than git
899 2011-07-29 20:08:33 <Diablo-D3> they host bug trackers and other stuff as well
900 2011-07-29 20:09:26 <drgr33n> It will be I'm running slackware here so I'll have to compile the git packages and all sorts :(
901 2011-07-29 20:09:31 <drgr33n> Its only a small patch lol
902 2011-07-29 20:12:11 <forrestv> Diablo-D3, what do you think of https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/pull/31 ?
903 2011-07-29 20:12:36 <Diablo-D3> forrestv: I just shut my workstation off, summary?
904 2011-07-29 20:12:44 <drgr33n> lol
905 2011-07-29 20:13:16 <drgr33n> well here's the patch. it just the one I asked about yesterday to make bitcoin compile with boost 1.46
906 2011-07-29 20:13:17 <drgr33n> http://pastebin.com/LgqLLCGD
907 2011-07-29 20:13:20 <forrestv> Diablo-D3, ah, it removes the 500ms pause after a successful long poll reply
908 2011-07-29 20:13:54 <Namegduf> Moves it into the case of a failure instead
909 2011-07-29 20:13:56 <forrestv> mainly in the interests of p2pool, but it would help normal miners a tiny bit
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911 2011-07-29 20:14:14 <Diablo-D3> forrestv: that delay is to prevent pools from fucking up and rejecting the new connection early
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913 2011-07-29 20:14:22 <Diablo-D3> forrestv: it handles LP _only_
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916 2011-07-29 20:14:35 <Diablo-D3> the chances of a new block being formed in half a second is impossible
917 2011-07-29 20:14:45 <Diablo-D3> Im not even going to bother saying exceedingly low
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920 2011-07-29 20:15:39 <Diablo-D3> forrestv: so it waits half a second before starting the LP connectiion back up
921 2011-07-29 20:15:45 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: not on p2pool
922 2011-07-29 20:15:54 <forrestv> Diablo-D3, it's actually .08%
923 2011-07-29 20:15:55 <nanotube> the chances of new block found in half a second are about 10%
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925 2011-07-29 20:16:19 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: then p2pool should stop using LP then
926 2011-07-29 20:16:22 <nanotube> and that to.
927 2011-07-29 20:16:42 <nanotube> (to forrestv, not to you :P)
928 2011-07-29 20:16:57 <nanotube> LP is more efficient
929 2011-07-29 20:17:06 <Diablo-D3> oh, and you cant remove the wait anyhow
930 2011-07-29 20:17:11 <Diablo-D3> otherwise its going to basically just attack the target
931 2011-07-29 20:17:46 <Diablo-D3> and your ISP is not going to be pleased when you're doing hundreds of connect attempts per second
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933 2011-07-29 20:18:33 <forrestv> would a sliding window pause be acceptable? eg. allow 20 requests in the last 10 seconds, so rare pushes can be handled but repetitive requests are throttled
934 2011-07-29 20:20:11 <Diablo-D3> no, because in the future normal miners will be flooding sendworks
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936 2011-07-29 20:20:45 <forrestv> what?
937 2011-07-29 20:20:58 <jgarzik> in the future miners will sit passively and receive work from the pool server
938 2011-07-29 20:21:07 <jgarzik> no getwork at all
939 2011-07-29 20:21:16 <nanotube> jgarzik: hehe indeed. pushprotocol ftw.
940 2011-07-29 20:21:27 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: that'll never take off
941 2011-07-29 20:21:33 SISUbtc has joined
942 2011-07-29 20:21:41 <jgarzik> nanotube: and notice that a large number of pools _already support_ such a protocol...
943 2011-07-29 20:22:03 <nanotube> jgarzik: oh very nice, didn't know that. do the miner clients support it?
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945 2011-07-29 20:22:22 <luke-jr> jgarzik: problem is, I think your binary protocol is missing out on some of the newer features the getwork has :P
946 2011-07-29 20:22:24 <nanotube> i guess the pools that are using pushpool as base are the ones that support it.
947 2011-07-29 20:22:52 <luke-jr> jgarzik: specifically, noncerange
948 2011-07-29 20:23:06 <luke-jr> jgarzik: btw, does the binary protocol imply rollntime, or imply !rollntime?
949 2011-07-29 20:24:19 nhodges has joined
950 2011-07-29 20:26:15 * diki just uncovered a gay person on the forums
951 2011-07-29 20:26:21 <diki> unless i get proven wrong
952 2011-07-29 20:26:31 <BlueMatt> have something against gay people?
953 2011-07-29 20:26:55 <diki> do you?
954 2011-07-29 20:27:29 <BlueMatt> Im not the one proud of having figured out someone was gay
955 2011-07-29 20:27:40 <copumpkin> diki: congratulations
956 2011-07-29 20:27:43 <BlueMatt> and to answer your, clearly avoiding, question: no
957 2011-07-29 20:27:44 * copumpkin hands diki a cookie
958 2011-07-29 20:28:20 <copumpkin> diki: in other news, I've figured out your tastes in porn
959 2011-07-29 20:28:29 <BlueMatt> hahaha
960 2011-07-29 20:28:33 <diki> it's lesbian porn
961 2011-07-29 20:28:38 <gjs278> firing a rocket launcher at diki
962 2011-07-29 20:28:39 <diki> lesbians all the way
963 2011-07-29 20:28:40 <copumpkin> diki: that's what you like us to think
964 2011-07-29 20:28:42 * BlueMatt facepalm
965 2011-07-29 20:28:43 <copumpkin> but I know the truth
966 2011-07-29 20:28:49 <Eliel> ha, gay porn, we knew it! :)
967 2011-07-29 20:28:49 glassresistor has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
968 2011-07-29 20:28:54 TheAncientGoat has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
969 2011-07-29 20:28:58 <BlueMatt> copumpkin: I dont think he understood the joke
970 2011-07-29 20:29:02 <copumpkin> :)
971 2011-07-29 20:29:09 diki has joined
972 2011-07-29 20:29:21 <diki> so who was it
973 2011-07-29 20:29:26 <diki> that kicked me
974 2011-07-29 20:29:39 <copumpkin> nobody knows :)
975 2011-07-29 20:29:39 <BlueMatt> the bot doesnt like you
976 2011-07-29 20:29:40 <copumpkin> or cares
977 2011-07-29 20:29:53 Incitatus has quit (Quit: Leaving)
978 2011-07-29 20:29:56 * b4_bed will take credit for it
979 2011-07-29 20:29:58 <diki> i am extremely tolerant to people, but i hate adding the or else clause
980 2011-07-29 20:30:39 <copumpkin> diki: you don't need to justify yourself. It's just interesting that you chose to pick that out instead of saying something like "I've figured out that there's a dude from cambodia on the forums"
981 2011-07-29 20:30:44 <copumpkin> why is that of interest to anyone?
982 2011-07-29 20:30:57 <diki> because i said so?
983 2011-07-29 20:31:07 <copumpkin> there's going to be straight people, gay people, trans people, people over 60
984 2011-07-29 20:31:15 <copumpkin> it just isn't relevant to anything
985 2011-07-29 20:31:29 <BlueMatt> that and you turned a joke into a frank discussion of your porn preferences, which clearly doesnt belong on dev
986 2011-07-29 20:31:30 <copumpkin> and the fact that you cared enough to reveal it shows that you hold gay people in high regard
987 2011-07-29 20:31:32 SISUbtc has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi)
988 2011-07-29 20:31:40 <diki> a joke?
989 2011-07-29 20:31:42 <b4_bed> and transexual lesbians⦠whatever you call them
990 2011-07-29 20:31:42 <diki> it wasnt a joke
991 2011-07-29 20:32:06 SISUbtc has joined
992 2011-07-29 20:32:08 * copumpkin facepalms and leaves to get some water
993 2011-07-29 20:32:20 <davro> cough its #bitcoin-dev get a room ladies !
994 2011-07-29 20:32:59 <diki> so?
995 2011-07-29 20:33:10 <diki> it's an irc channel like any other
996 2011-07-29 20:33:19 <diki> whether the topic or name say dev
997 2011-07-29 20:33:25 <BlueMatt> it has a clearly defined topic, and ops who will enforce it
998 2011-07-29 20:33:36 <BlueMatt> and thatt is all that needs to be said here, so lets just move on
999 2011-07-29 20:33:50 * copumpkin gulps loudly
1000 2011-07-29 20:34:31 AStove has quit ()
1001 2011-07-29 20:34:34 <b4_bed> whatever happened to kaatje? does anyone really know?
1002 2011-07-29 20:34:40 <diki> who is he?
1003 2011-07-29 20:34:42 <copumpkin> nope
1004 2011-07-29 20:34:46 koleg has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1005 2011-07-29 20:35:11 <diki> is he someone more important than me?
1006 2011-07-29 20:35:20 <diki> there should be no one like that
1007 2011-07-29 20:35:21 <copumpkin> it's a she
1008 2011-07-29 20:35:25 <b4_bed> seemed a lot more mature than you
1009 2011-07-29 20:36:23 <diki> still, why is she so important?
1010 2011-07-29 20:36:33 <b4_bed> just an interesting person
1011 2011-07-29 20:36:44 <b4_bed> and a huge mystery
1012 2011-07-29 20:36:52 <b4_bed> satoshi-like
1013 2011-07-29 20:36:54 <diki> i can only speculate that you are asking because she has made an impression, now is not here
1014 2011-07-29 20:37:00 <diki> therefore i can conclude she is dead
1015 2011-07-29 20:37:09 <b4_bed> there's speculation of that
1016 2011-07-29 20:37:14 <diki> at least, more likely to be
1017 2011-07-29 20:37:28 b4_bed is now known as b4epoch
1018 2011-07-29 20:37:34 <BlueMatt> anyone else find it odd that b4epoch is talking from bed?
1019 2011-07-29 20:37:43 <b4epoch> no longer
1020 2011-07-29 20:37:51 <diki> i am also talking from bed
1021 2011-07-29 20:37:55 <diki> nude
1022 2011-07-29 20:38:11 <jgarzik> luke-jr: binary protocol ntime behavior should not differ from JSON-RPC behavior
1023 2011-07-29 20:38:17 <jgarzik> luke-jr: it's a server setting
1024 2011-07-29 20:38:49 <jgarzik> luke-jr: it is considered -wise- to enable roll-ntime for binary protocol, but not critical
1025 2011-07-29 20:39:09 <diki> jgarzik what exactly is it that you do on the dev team?
1026 2011-07-29 20:39:20 <diki> do you do anything at all?
1027 2011-07-29 20:39:30 <BlueMatt> just about everything
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1029 2011-07-29 20:39:54 <b4epoch> what exactly does diki do?
1030 2011-07-29 20:39:58 <BlueMatt> what do you do aside from constantly asking dumb questions and annoying people on irc?
1031 2011-07-29 20:40:07 <luke-jr> jgarzik: JSON-RPC uses HTTP headers
1032 2011-07-29 20:40:24 * copumpkin asks what someone does too
1033 2011-07-29 20:41:03 <jgarzik> luke-jr: client and server in binary protocol exchange JSON-RPC metadata at during session init (login)
1034 2011-07-29 20:41:34 <jgarzik> luke-jr: that's where you can indicate noncerange support, "only send me [data, target] fields", roll-ntime, and anything else
1035 2011-07-29 20:42:04 <luke-jr> jgarzik: so how to change rollntime per work? ;)
1036 2011-07-29 20:42:10 <jgarzik> luke-jr: after login, server pushes work at you, at the rate you requested, in the data format you requested
1037 2011-07-29 20:42:43 <jgarzik> luke-jr: Generally speaking... you add that as a feature during JSON-RPC login, and then have mining clients support said feature you just added
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1039 2011-07-29 20:44:16 <jgarzik> luke-jr: mining client could send "lukejr-awesome-miner-feature":true, or server could send "lukejr-awesome-pool-feature":true
1040 2011-07-29 20:44:48 <luke-jr> hmm
1041 2011-07-29 20:45:01 <luke-jr> I don't see anything in the login code to indicate availability of rollntime support at all
1042 2011-07-29 20:45:06 <diki> [23:35:58] <b4epoch> what exactly does diki do?<-well now
1043 2011-07-29 20:45:34 <jgarzik> luke-jr: should be added, I acknowledge. that area of binary protocol has not kept up with the latest json-rpc additions.
1044 2011-07-29 20:45:39 <diki> keeping the chan from sinking in the depths of geekiness
1045 2011-07-29 20:45:46 <copumpkin> diki: thank you
1046 2011-07-29 20:45:52 <copumpkin> I've been trying to get people into category theory
1047 2011-07-29 20:45:55 <copumpkin> and you've been fighting it :(
1048 2011-07-29 20:46:02 <luke-jr> jgarzik: also, I think I see a free-then-dereference in login
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1050 2011-07-29 20:46:31 <diki> luke are you implying that...jgarzik has made an error?
1051 2011-07-29 20:46:35 <jgarzik> luke-jr: patches welcome, for both issues :)
1052 2011-07-29 20:46:36 <luke-jr> jgarzik: res_cfgobj is used in set_new which takes over the only reference to it, but then json_decref is called on it, freeing it before it's sent to the client
1053 2011-07-29 20:47:03 <b4epoch> copumpkin: I think we have enough information to categorize diki
1054 2011-07-29 20:47:04 <diki> that is a bold statement
1055 2011-07-29 20:47:15 <jgarzik> luke-jr: where?
1056 2011-07-29 20:47:16 <luke-jr> jgarzik: would it be evil to test if it crashes as expected on a competing pool? :P
1057 2011-07-29 20:47:17 eastender has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1058 2011-07-29 20:47:24 <IO-> http://i.imgur.com/FVNvY.png
1059 2011-07-29 20:47:26 <IO-> there
1060 2011-07-29 20:47:28 <luke-jr> jgarzik: json_object_set_new(resobj, "config", res_cfgobj)) { json_decref(res_cfgobj);
1061 2011-07-29 20:47:32 <diki> luke:i approve
1062 2011-07-29 20:47:52 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ...and that path (json_decref) is only called if res_cfgobj set_new fails
1063 2011-07-29 20:48:03 <luke-jr> ah, okay, that's what I was missing
1064 2011-07-29 20:48:05 <jgarzik> luke-jr: (or is never called)
1065 2011-07-29 20:48:28 <luke-jr> just noticed the { when I pasted it here ;)
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1067 2011-07-29 20:49:34 <diki> advice luke, less back-end, more front-end
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1070 2011-07-29 20:55:54 <aviadbd> hey guys
1071 2011-07-29 20:55:57 <aviadbd> something odd at the wiki.
1072 2011-07-29 20:55:59 <aviadbd> *again*
1073 2011-07-29 20:56:07 <aviadbd> check out this page: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_hashing_algorithm
1074 2011-07-29 20:56:14 <aviadbd> doesn't the version look odd there?
1075 2011-07-29 20:56:17 <aviadbd> (in the example)
1076 2011-07-29 20:56:47 <aviadbd> (when I run "getwork" today, I get the version in the other endian).
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1079 2011-07-29 20:58:33 <luke-jr> aviadbd: it's worse
1080 2011-07-29 20:58:37 <luke-jr> aviadbd: it's mixed endian
1081 2011-07-29 20:58:48 <luke-jr> aviadbd: each 32 bits are big-endian, but larger is little
1082 2011-07-29 20:59:17 <aviadbd> luke-jr: great. so much for examples!
1083 2011-07-29 20:59:29 <mtrlt> the getwork data portion is done so that you can put the data in a char* array, cast it to an uint* array and pass it straight as the W[] array in SHA-256 :p
1084 2011-07-29 20:59:38 <mtrlt> on little-endian systems only
1085 2011-07-29 20:59:44 <mtrlt> but most systems are LE so.
1086 2011-07-29 21:00:00 <aviadbd> okay, but ..
1087 2011-07-29 21:00:05 <aviadbd> .. why is the example so wrong?
1088 2011-07-29 21:00:12 <mtrlt> it's a wiki
1089 2011-07-29 21:00:37 <mtrlt> what's wrong about it?
1090 2011-07-29 21:00:47 <aviadbd> mtrlt: look at the version, as an example
1091 2011-07-29 21:00:56 <aviadbd> mtrlt: luke-jr says there are other problems in it.
1092 2011-07-29 21:01:07 <mtrlt> the version is a little-endian int that equals 1
1093 2011-07-29 21:01:14 <mtrlt> problem?
1094 2011-07-29 21:01:36 <luke-jr> mtrlt: no, it's big endian
1095 2011-07-29 21:01:36 <aviadbd> mtrlt: that if i call "getwork", i get a different representation for version
1096 2011-07-29 21:01:50 <mtrlt> luke-jr: no, it's little-endian. the data given to SHA-256 is big-endian
1097 2011-07-29 21:02:02 <aviadbd> mtrlt: i get this if i call "getwork" on luke-jr 's pool: "00000001b3b520ad78c73aa24c05d1804....."
1098 2011-07-29 21:02:03 <luke-jr> mtrlt: â¦
1099 2011-07-29 21:02:11 <mtrlt> luke-jr: bytes 01 00 00 00 represent a little-endian uint "1"
1100 2011-07-29 21:02:16 <luke-jr> 00000001 = 1 in big endian
1101 2011-07-29 21:02:23 <mtrlt> well that's because the bytes are already swapped
1102 2011-07-29 21:02:27 <mtrlt> in the getwork response
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1104 2011-07-29 21:02:37 <mtrlt> so that if you read them straight into an uint array on a LE system
1105 2011-07-29 21:02:45 <mtrlt> they go the right way around for SHA-256
1106 2011-07-29 21:02:51 <luke-jr> â¦â¦â¦â¦.
1107 2011-07-29 21:02:57 <mtrlt> as i said, SHA-256 expects big-endian data
1108 2011-07-29 21:03:05 <forrestv> oh, so that's why. that's stupid..
1109 2011-07-29 21:03:30 <mtrlt> so if the actual data to be hashed is 01 02 03 04, then W[0] has to be 01020304 which is 04030201 in little-endian
1110 2011-07-29 21:03:43 <aviadbd> mtrlt: okay, so the example is flipped already
1111 2011-07-29 21:03:46 <aviadbd> right?
1112 2011-07-29 21:04:04 <aviadbd> that would explain a few things..
1113 2011-07-29 21:04:07 <aviadbd> *sigh*
1114 2011-07-29 21:04:11 <aviadbd> *mumble*
1115 2011-07-29 21:04:12 <mtrlt> the version seems to be "01000000"
1116 2011-07-29 21:04:25 <mtrlt> hmmh
1117 2011-07-29 21:04:35 <mtrlt> also, if you're not using your own sha-256 implementation, you might have to swap the bytes back
1118 2011-07-29 21:04:38 <mtrlt> :p
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1120 2011-07-29 21:05:01 <mtrlt> but that applies only to cpu-miners anyway
1121 2011-07-29 21:05:37 <aviadbd> mtrlt: why?
1122 2011-07-29 21:05:57 <mtrlt> because sha256 libraries expect the data inside an uchar array or something :p
1123 2011-07-29 21:06:13 <mtrlt> and they swap the bytes and make the uint W[] array of sha-256
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1138 2011-07-29 21:22:53 <diki> heehaw
1139 2011-07-29 21:23:01 <diki> 900,000 getworks and only 7 hashes
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1150 2011-07-29 21:26:37 <fasoula> Within 5 minutes of getting ops he started violating Freenode's rules... LOL. Domain nmcwatch.com 173.242.126.108 | Web host: namehost.com / volumedrive.com | Google analytics: UA-24071543-1 | Date Registered: 2011-6-20 | Date Modified: 2011-6-20 | Expiry Date: 2012-6-20 | loy4pcu4dfeff0e118e1@oqjij874d9300d54bd95.privatewhois.net c/o nmcwatch.com N4892 Nassau Bahamas Tel: +852.81720004
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1152 2011-07-29 21:26:37 <fasoula> LOAOLAAHAHHAHAHAH
1153 2011-07-29 21:26:40 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | spirals is a troll on the Freenode #namecoin channel | spirals IP [~max@c-24-20-235-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] -NickServ- Registered : May 12 01:22:46 2011 (11 weeks, 1 day, 18:13:50 ago) -NickServ- Last addr : ~spirals@unaffiliated/spirals Bitcoin address 1LiwfAiEjvNeFpMCRZm93nhMQbmuXSorMy | Namecoin address N4aidMuAypC1RT1yeQ7USb5aXkXjLEgTpw (internetbs.net)
1154 2011-07-29 21:26:41 <fasoula> Within 5 minutes of getting ops he started violating Freenode's rules... LOL. Domain nmcwatch.com 173.242.126.108 | Web host: namehost.com / volumedrive.com | Google analytics: UA-24071543-1 | Date Registered: 2011-6-20 | Date Modified: 2011-6-20 | Expiry Date: 2012-6-20 | loy4pcu4dfeff0e118e1@oqjij874d9300d54bd95.privatewhois.net c/o nmcwatch.com N4892 Nassau Bahamas Tel: +852.81720004
1155 2011-07-29 21:26:41 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | send emails to abuse@namehost.com, abuse@volumedrive.com, abuse@internet.bs to report abuse from his IP 173.242.126.108 | report adsense violations on his site to: http://adsense.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact=violation_report | spirals' mom won horse porn blowjob of the year | spirals' mom can be seen in horse porn flix all over the net
1156 2011-07-29 21:26:41 <fasoula> LOAOLAAHAHHAHAHAH
1157 2011-07-29 21:26:44 * copumpkin sighs
1158 2011-07-29 21:26:45 <fasoula> rolmao
1159 2011-07-29 21:26:46 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | spirals is a troll on the Freenode #namecoin channel | spirals IP [~max@c-24-20-235-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] -NickServ- Registered : May 12 01:22:46 2011 (11 weeks, 1 day, 18:13:50 ago) -NickServ- Last addr : ~spirals@unaffiliated/spirals Bitcoin address 1LiwfAiEjvNeFpMCRZm93nhMQbmuXSorMy | Namecoin address N4aidMuAypC1RT1yeQ7USb5aXkXjLEgTpw (internetbs.net)
1160 2011-07-29 21:26:46 <fasoula> Within 5 minutes of getting ops he started violating Freenode's rules... LOL. Domain nmcwatch.com 173.242.126.108 | Web host: namehost.com / volumedrive.com | Google analytics: UA-24071543-1 | Date Registered: 2011-6-20 | Date Modified: 2011-6-20 | Expiry Date: 2012-6-20 | loy4pcu4dfeff0e118e1@oqjij874d9300d54bd95.privatewhois.net c/o nmcwatch.com N4892 Nassau Bahamas Tel: +852.81720004
1161 2011-07-29 21:26:46 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | send emails to abuse@namehost.com, abuse@volumedrive.com, abuse@internet.bs to report abuse from his IP 173.242.126.108 | report adsense violations on his site to: http://adsense.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact=violation_report | spirals' mom won horse porn blowjob of the year | spirals' mom can be seen in horse porn flix all over the net
1162 2011-07-29 21:26:46 <fasoula> LOAOLAAHAHHAHAHAH
1163 2011-07-29 21:26:47 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | spirals is a troll on the Freenode #namecoin channel | spirals IP [~max@c-24-20-235-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] -NickServ- Registered : May 12 01:22:46 2011 (11 weeks, 1 day, 18:13:50 ago) -NickServ- Last addr : ~spirals@unaffiliated/spirals Bitcoin address 1LiwfAiEjvNeFpMCRZm93nhMQbmuXSorMy | Namecoin address N4aidMuAypC1RT1yeQ7USb5aXkXjLEgTpw (internetbs.net)
1164 2011-07-29 21:26:48 <fasoula> Within 5 minutes of getting ops he started violating Freenode's rules... LOL. Domain nmcwatch.com 173.242.126.108 | Web host: namehost.com / volumedrive.com | Google analytics: UA-24071543-1 | Date Registered: 2011-6-20 | Date Modified: 2011-6-20 | Expiry Date: 2012-6-20 | loy4pcu4dfeff0e118e1@oqjij874d9300d54bd95.privatewhois.net c/o nmcwatch.com N4892 Nassau Bahamas Tel: +852.81720004
1165 2011-07-29 21:26:48 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | send emails to abuse@namehost.com, abuse@volumedrive.com, abuse@internet.bs to report abuse from his IP 173.242.126.108 | report adsense violations on his site to: http://adsense.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact=violation_report | spirals' mom won horse porn blowjob of the year | spirals' mom can be seen in horse porn flix all over the net
1166 2011-07-29 21:26:48 <fasoula> LOAOLAAHAHHAHAHAH
1167 2011-07-29 21:26:48 <fasoula> rofl
1168 2011-07-29 21:26:50 <fasoula> baha
1169 2011-07-29 21:26:50 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | spirals is a troll on the Freenode #namecoin channel | spirals IP [~max@c-24-20-235-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] -NickServ- Registered : May 12 01:22:46 2011 (11 weeks, 1 day, 18:13:50 ago) -NickServ- Last addr : ~spirals@unaffiliated/spirals Bitcoin address 1LiwfAiEjvNeFpMCRZm93nhMQbmuXSorMy | Namecoin address N4aidMuAypC1RT1yeQ7USb5aXkXjLEgTpw (internetbs.net)
1170 2011-07-29 21:26:51 <fasoula> Within 5 minutes of getting ops he started violating Freenode's rules... LOL. Domain nmcwatch.com 173.242.126.108 | Web host: namehost.com / volumedrive.com | Google analytics: UA-24071543-1 | Date Registered: 2011-6-20 | Date Modified: 2011-6-20 | Expiry Date: 2012-6-20 | loy4pcu4dfeff0e118e1@oqjij874d9300d54bd95.privatewhois.net c/o nmcwatch.com N4892 Nassau Bahamas Tel: +852.81720004
1171 2011-07-29 21:26:51 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | send emails to abuse@namehost.com, abuse@volumedrive.com, abuse@internet.bs to report abuse from his IP 173.242.126.108 | report adsense violations on his site to: http://adsense.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact=violation_report | spirals' mom won horse porn blowjob of the year | spirals' mom can be seen in horse porn flix all over the net
1172 2011-07-29 21:26:52 fasoula has left ()
1173 2011-07-29 21:26:54 <copumpkin> such a fucking scriptkiddie :)
1174 2011-07-29 21:27:00 <copumpkin> he does this over and over again
1175 2011-07-29 21:27:18 Tim-7967 has joined
1176 2011-07-29 21:28:05 bitplane has joined
1177 2011-07-29 21:28:11 <diki> nice
1178 2011-07-29 21:28:12 <diki> me likes
1179 2011-07-29 21:28:23 fasoula has joined
1180 2011-07-29 21:28:29 <bitplane> Hi. I have some questions about contributing
1181 2011-07-29 21:28:34 <fasoula> duuude
1182 2011-07-29 21:28:35 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | spirals is a troll on the Freenode #namecoin channel | spirals IP [~max@c-24-20-235-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] -NickServ- Registered : May 12 01:22:46 2011 (11 weeks, 1 day, 18:13:50 ago) -NickServ- Last addr : ~spirals@unaffiliated/spirals Bitcoin address 1LiwfAiEjvNeFpMCRZm93nhMQbmuXSorMy | Namecoin address N4aidMuAypC1RT1yeQ7USb5aXkXjLEgTpw (internetbs.net)
1183 2011-07-29 21:28:36 <fasoula> Within 5 minutes of getting ops he started violating Freenode's rules... LOL. Domain nmcwatch.com 173.242.126.108 | Web host: namehost.com / volumedrive.com | Google analytics: UA-24071543-1 | Date Registered: 2011-6-20 | Date Modified: 2011-6-20 | Expiry Date: 2012-6-20 | loy4pcu4dfeff0e118e1@oqjij874d9300d54bd95.privatewhois.net c/o nmcwatch.com N4892 Nassau Bahamas Tel: +852.81720004
1184 2011-07-29 21:28:36 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | send emails to abuse@namehost.com, abuse@volumedrive.com, abuse@internet.bs to report abuse from his IP 173.242.126.108 | report adsense violations on his site to: http://adsense.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact=violation_report | spirals' mom won horse porn blowjob of the year | spirals' mom can be seen in horse porn flix all over the net
1185 2011-07-29 21:28:36 <fasoula> LOAOLAAHAHHAHAHAH
1186 2011-07-29 21:28:37 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | spirals is a troll on the Freenode #namecoin channel | spirals IP [~max@c-24-20-235-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] -NickServ- Registered : May 12 01:22:46 2011 (11 weeks, 1 day, 18:13:50 ago) -NickServ- Last addr : ~spirals@unaffiliated/spirals Bitcoin address 1LiwfAiEjvNeFpMCRZm93nhMQbmuXSorMy | Namecoin address N4aidMuAypC1RT1yeQ7USb5aXkXjLEgTpw (internetbs.net)
1187 2011-07-29 21:28:37 <fasoula> Within 5 minutes of getting ops he started violating Freenode's rules... LOL. Domain nmcwatch.com 173.242.126.108 | Web host: namehost.com / volumedrive.com | Google analytics: UA-24071543-1 | Date Registered: 2011-6-20 | Date Modified: 2011-6-20 | Expiry Date: 2012-6-20 | loy4pcu4dfeff0e118e1@oqjij874d9300d54bd95.privatewhois.net c/o nmcwatch.com N4892 Nassau Bahamas Tel: +852.81720004
1188 2011-07-29 21:28:37 <fasoula> http://pastebin.com/L8VLRMWp | send emails to abuse@namehost.com, abuse@volumedrive.com, abuse@internet.bs to report abuse from his IP 173.242.126.108 | report adsense violations on his site to: http://adsense.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact=violation_report | spirals' mom won horse porn blowjob of the year | spirals' mom can be seen in horse porn flix all over the net
1189 2011-07-29 21:28:37 <fasoula> LOAOLAAHAHHAHAHAH
1190 2011-07-29 21:28:38 <fasoula> aahahahah
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1192 2011-07-29 21:28:47 <imsaguy> jgarzik nanotube
1193 2011-07-29 21:29:18 <bitplane> I don't see any function comments. If I was to add some and push, would they get merged?
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1195 2011-07-29 21:29:57 <bitplane> also, coding.txt tells people to explain what they're doing, rather than why they're doing it. this is a bad idea IMO
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1197 2011-07-29 21:30:01 <imsaguy> thanks :D
1198 2011-07-29 21:30:11 <davex__> farzong's back? hehe
1199 2011-07-29 21:30:31 <Diablo-D3> bitplane: both are wrong
1200 2011-07-29 21:30:43 <Diablo-D3> code should be obvious on both without comments.
1201 2011-07-29 21:31:06 <Eliel> bitplane: if they're good comments that help undestanding the code, I don't see why they wouldn't be merged.
1202 2011-07-29 21:31:56 <diki> this spirals person banned me
1203 2011-07-29 21:32:03 <diki> he is now going to get it
1204 2011-07-29 21:32:10 * diki forgives not
1205 2011-07-29 21:32:16 <bitplane> okay, I'll add comments as I read the paper and source code :)
1206 2011-07-29 21:32:25 <mtrlt> yea if you need comments, you're doing something very complex
1207 2011-07-29 21:32:34 <Diablo-D3> and complex is bad
1208 2011-07-29 21:32:41 <mtrlt> 99% of the time yes
1209 2011-07-29 21:32:54 <bitplane> another question... const correctness.. there's "const char * " as in variables for setters and stuff, shouldn't they be const * const char?
1210 2011-07-29 21:32:57 <Diablo-D3> if you write code as clever as possible, by definition, you are not clever enough to debug it
1211 2011-07-29 21:33:00 <mtrlt> and anyway in the 1% of cases, you won't be explaining it in the source
1212 2011-07-29 21:33:08 <Diablo-D3> bitplane: no
1213 2011-07-29 21:33:12 <mtrlt> instead you'll make a 20 page academic paper :P
1214 2011-07-29 21:33:14 <Diablo-D3> you cant const whats behind the pointer
1215 2011-07-29 21:33:39 <Diablo-D3> mtrlt: I have written in comments about deep magic and voodo
1216 2011-07-29 21:33:40 <bitplane> you can treat it as const though, so other callers don't modify?
1217 2011-07-29 21:33:50 <bitplane> erm so other callers can pass in const * consts
1218 2011-07-29 21:33:51 <Diablo-D3> bitplane: yes, but the compiler wont help you
1219 2011-07-29 21:33:54 <mtrlt> bitplane: what language is this?
1220 2011-07-29 21:34:00 <bitplane> c++
1221 2011-07-29 21:34:01 <Diablo-D3> bitplane: its just one const.
1222 2011-07-29 21:34:16 <bitplane> it's been a while since I did any C++ to be honest, I might be pulling this out of my ass
1223 2011-07-29 21:34:33 <mtrlt> 00:28 < Diablo-D3> you cant const whats behind the pointer
1224 2011-07-29 21:34:34 <mtrlt> false
1225 2011-07-29 21:34:44 <mtrlt> you can do const char*const*const*const*const if you want.
1226 2011-07-29 21:35:04 <gmaxwell> Don't forget to restrict too.. aliasing is for the birds.
1227 2011-07-29 21:35:14 <bitplane> I figured "const * foo" is a constant pointer to a mutable foo?
1228 2011-07-29 21:35:22 <bitplane> could be wrong though
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1230 2011-07-29 21:35:25 <mtrlt> um
1231 2011-07-29 21:35:38 <mtrlt> i can't decide if "foo" is a type or a name in that
1232 2011-07-29 21:35:42 <mtrlt> so, parse error? :P
1233 2011-07-29 21:36:00 <bitplane> hehe oops
1234 2011-07-29 21:36:09 <bitplane> const foo* bar
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1236 2011-07-29 21:36:28 <mtrlt> hmh
1237 2011-07-29 21:36:33 <mtrlt> i don't remember how it goes tho :P
1238 2011-07-29 21:36:44 <mtrlt> and gotta sleep. nights ->
1239 2011-07-29 21:37:26 <bitplane> confused between "constant pointer to a foo" or "pointer to a constant foo"
1240 2011-07-29 21:37:41 <bitplane> I'm probably wrong, ignore me
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1242 2011-07-29 21:38:29 <bitplane> yeah I'm wrong. the pointer is mutable, the target is immutable
1243 2011-07-29 21:38:35 * bitplane slaps self
1244 2011-07-29 21:38:55 <Diablo-D3> er
1245 2011-07-29 21:39:05 <Diablo-D3> if its const char*, the pointer is immutable, the target is mutable
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1248 2011-07-29 21:39:44 <bitplane> so not "const char" is the type pointed to?
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1250 2011-07-29 21:40:13 <bitplane> ooh yes, right you are
1251 2011-07-29 21:40:25 <bitplane> const int* pX; // changeable pointer to constant int
1252 2011-07-29 21:41:13 <bitplane> so: inline bool DecodeBase58(const char* psz, std::vector<unsigned char>& vchRet) // this can't be called from a built-in const array?
1253 2011-07-29 21:41:22 <bitplane> oh
1254 2011-07-29 21:41:39 <bitplane> argh I'm trying to do three things at once and making a dick out of myself in all of them
1255 2011-07-29 21:41:47 * bitplane goes back to single threaded mode for 5 mins
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1258 2011-07-29 21:44:24 * diki joined namecoin and was banned
1259 2011-07-29 21:44:28 <diki> now it's time for revenge
1260 2011-07-29 21:44:30 eastender2 has joined
1261 2011-07-29 21:44:36 <diki> no one bans diki and gets away with it
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1267 2011-07-29 21:50:46 <diki> a few of my rules
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1270 2011-07-29 21:52:06 <diki> the ' character is just too far away
1271 2011-07-29 21:52:22 <diki> also referred to as single quote
1272 2011-07-29 21:52:37 <diki> at least when used like ''
1273 2011-07-29 21:53:50 MiddlePorpoise7 is now known as Happy0
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1275 2011-07-29 21:53:55 <vragnaroda> no, ' is not a single quote. ' is an apostrophe
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1278 2011-07-29 21:54:21 <bitplane> depends
1279 2011-07-29 21:54:54 <bitplane> if your BNF says it's a single quote, then it's a single quote
1280 2011-07-29 21:55:34 <diki> ok, number two on my enemy list
1281 2011-07-29 21:56:19 <vragnaroda> bitplane: in that context, sure. not universally.
1282 2011-07-29 21:57:42 <bitplane> yeah I was just arguing for the sake of it :D
1283 2011-07-29 21:57:58 <imsaguy> lol
1284 2011-07-29 21:58:16 <imsaguy> diki sure does know how to make friends
1285 2011-07-29 21:59:30 <bitplane> I think the nature of the bitcoin project attracts anonytrolls
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1289 2011-07-29 22:01:02 <bitplane> levels of noise and plain rudeness on the forums are a joke. I find myself slipping into that mindset myself
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1293 2011-07-29 22:01:41 <imsaguy> if this mybitcoin downtime results in a loss of coins, I imagine it'll have 2 effects
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1295 2011-07-29 22:01:56 <vragnaroda> gribble: i thought rule 1 was âdo not talk about bitcoin-devâ
1296 2011-07-29 22:01:57 <imsaguy> it'll push prices higher due to reduced availability
1297 2011-07-29 22:02:06 <Rabbit67890> btc-dev!
1298 2011-07-29 22:02:11 <Rabbit67890> bitcoin-dev
1299 2011-07-29 22:02:12 <imsaguy> and it'll push prices lower because people will lose faith in the system
1300 2011-07-29 22:02:42 <bitplane> so, no change then?
1301 2011-07-29 22:03:12 <bitplane> are there any alternative clients other than bitcoin-alt? (which appears to be unfinished)
1302 2011-07-29 22:04:02 <bitplane> (and in a state of copyright limbo)
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1306 2011-07-29 22:06:46 <imsaguy> I wouldn't say net 0
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1312 2011-07-29 22:16:44 <Eliel> bitplane: there's the bitcoinj library made in java and the js version... might have been called bitcoinjs
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1314 2011-07-29 22:17:46 <BlueMatt> bitcoinj is absolutely useable, as, Ive heard, is bitcoinjs
1315 2011-07-29 22:17:54 <BlueMatt> other than that, not really anything to speak of
1316 2011-07-29 22:19:33 <Eliel> the android wallet uses bitcoinj
1317 2011-07-29 22:19:47 <BlueMatt> yep
1318 2011-07-29 22:19:49 <Eliel> ... at least the one I looked at. No idea if there are more of them :)
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1329 2011-07-29 22:38:49 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: you have all of phil.easy.verizon.net banned you know?
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1331 2011-07-29 22:41:15 <BitcoinForNewegg> HAPPY SYSADMIN DAY
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1333 2011-07-29 22:41:43 <Rabbit67890> ?
1334 2011-07-29 22:41:54 <BlueMatt> its sysadmin appreciation day
1335 2011-07-29 22:42:03 <Rabbit67890> its in a few mnths
1336 2011-07-29 22:42:22 <Rabbit67890> *Facepalm
1337 2011-07-29 22:42:33 <Rabbit67890> 07/FriLast System Administrator Appreciation Day
1338 2011-07-29 22:42:43 <BlueMatt> well here it ended 38 minutes ago
1339 2011-07-29 22:43:03 <BlueMatt> july 29 is sysadmin appreciation day
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1348 2011-07-29 23:04:34 <Zagitta> Is there any specific reason that the p2pool concept isn't getting merged into the client so it coexists with the normal mining?
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1350 2011-07-29 23:05:08 <Marf> because its to cool
1351 2011-07-29 23:05:09 <Marf> ;D
1352 2011-07-29 23:05:17 <BlueMatt> ...really?
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1360 2011-07-29 23:08:54 <Eliel> Zagitta: I haven't seen any reason being thrown about. My own guess is that if it ends up ready for it, it'll get merged.
1361 2011-07-29 23:09:55 <BlueMatt> its wayyyy far away from anywhere near getting merged, though even if it was ready, no it probably wouldnt be merged
1362 2011-07-29 23:10:09 <GriffenJBS> Is there anyway to speed up the sync? I have two local PCs; one is synced, the other is connected to the first and is taking a while, CPU is under 10%, IP is < 1%, is it self throttling?
1363 2011-07-29 23:10:16 <BlueMatt> it is useful for maybe 10% of people, if that, the code is already a mess, adding way more crap is not the goal here
1364 2011-07-29 23:10:21 <BlueMatt> probably less than 10%
1365 2011-07-29 23:10:39 <BlueMatt> GriffenJBS: copy the blk* files from bitcoin datadir from one computer to the other
1366 2011-07-29 23:10:54 <GriffenJBS> BlueMatt thanks, I'll try that now
1367 2011-07-29 23:11:35 <bitplane> isn't verifying that eats all the time while downloading blocks?
1368 2011-07-29 23:12:10 <bitplane> if CPU < 10%... how many cores do you have?
1369 2011-07-29 23:12:20 <bitplane> and how many are fake, weak hyperthreading cores
1370 2011-07-29 23:12:43 <BlueMatt> its disk access for many people
1371 2011-07-29 23:12:51 <BlueMatt> since it is single threaded, actually, its both
1372 2011-07-29 23:13:38 <bitplane> flushes in bad places?
1373 2011-07-29 23:13:39 <BlueMatt> for each block, it checks it, then writes it to disk, committing so it actually waits on the disk
1374 2011-07-29 23:13:49 <BlueMatt> so yea, it flushes each block
1375 2011-07-29 23:13:53 <bitplane> ah okay
1376 2011-07-29 23:14:01 <forrestv> Zagitta, there's also the fact that p2pool is pure python whereas bitcoin is pure c++
1377 2011-07-29 23:14:04 <bitplane> blocking blocks :/
1378 2011-07-29 23:14:09 <forrestv> (:
1379 2011-07-29 23:14:30 <bitplane> what's p2pool?
1380 2011-07-29 23:14:31 <BlueMatt> and no one has decided to/started work on a p2pool thing for the main client, its just a mining proxy
1381 2011-07-29 23:14:47 <bitplane> oh is this the merged mining thing?
1382 2011-07-29 23:14:57 <BlueMatt> no, its a p2p pool
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1384 2011-07-29 23:15:06 <bitplane> oh right
1385 2011-07-29 23:15:26 <BlueMatt> hence the name ;)
1386 2011-07-29 23:15:46 <bitplane> I can't imagine how such a thing would work!
1387 2011-07-29 23:15:50 <forrestv> bikcmp, see #p2pool and http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18313 :)
1388 2011-07-29 23:16:01 <Marf> it works
1389 2011-07-29 23:16:08 <Marf> i did set it up now
1390 2011-07-29 23:16:12 <Marf> its strange
1391 2011-07-29 23:16:17 <Marf> but works ;D
1392 2011-07-29 23:16:58 <bitplane> does it stop people from not sharing the coins if they find a block?
1393 2011-07-29 23:17:04 <sacarlson> Marf: I took a quick look at p2ppool It looked like a good idea to me
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1395 2011-07-29 23:17:25 <Marf> i think its the future
1396 2011-07-29 23:17:25 <bitplane> 'cause you could mine and get a share of the pool, but when you get a block just keep it for yourself
1397 2011-07-29 23:17:34 <Marf> no not possible
1398 2011-07-29 23:17:42 <bitplane> really? cool
1399 2011-07-29 23:17:42 <Marf> at no pool
1400 2011-07-29 23:17:46 <Marf> is that possible..
1401 2011-07-29 23:18:11 <bitplane> it is if you're the pool operator isn't it?
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1403 2011-07-29 23:18:20 <sacarlson> marf: I added that It should distribute with escrow or multisign but if it works and no one cheats it should be fine
1404 2011-07-29 23:18:39 <Marf> iam not the inventor
1405 2011-07-29 23:18:50 <Marf> say that to forrestv
1406 2011-07-29 23:19:07 <Marf> ok the pooloperator can cheat
1407 2011-07-29 23:19:16 <Marf> at any pool
1408 2011-07-29 23:19:40 <Marf> but i think p2pool could be made without pooloperator
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1415 2011-07-29 23:22:18 <Zagitta> forestv: hence the "concept" part of my question :)
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1417 2011-07-29 23:24:42 <Marf> ok teheres no operator in p2pool
1418 2011-07-29 23:25:02 <Marf> if you find a block, you send it out by your self
1419 2011-07-29 23:25:10 <Marf> cool
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1421 2011-07-29 23:27:33 <BlueMatt> thats the point of p2pool, there is no centralized authority
1422 2011-07-29 23:27:40 <BlueMatt> everyone validates
1423 2011-07-29 23:29:06 <IO-> where does the block's coins go though?
1424 2011-07-29 23:29:12 <IO-> *do
1425 2011-07-29 23:29:49 <BlueMatt> to everyone mining, like eligius' payouts
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1427 2011-07-29 23:30:44 <IO-> but doesn't it have to go to 1 wallet and then get divided out to miners faily?
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1429 2011-07-29 23:31:06 <erus`> Rupurt Murdoch thanked all for the lovely messages on Amy Winehouse's answering machine
1430 2011-07-29 23:31:07 <Marf> no
1431 2011-07-29 23:31:25 <Marf> its directly send at genration to everybody
1432 2011-07-29 23:31:28 <BlueMatt> no, the 50 btc gets paid out to many addresses at once
1433 2011-07-29 23:31:34 <Marf> no scam possible
1434 2011-07-29 23:31:35 <IO-> cool
1435 2011-07-29 23:32:00 <Marf> yeah
1436 2011-07-29 23:32:03 <BlueMatt> IO-: 3% seems a bit high, no?
1437 2011-07-29 23:32:04 <Marf> are you a miner?
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1439 2011-07-29 23:32:57 <Marf> we a gathering miners to start with some sensible miningpower IO
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1441 2011-07-29 23:33:11 <Marf> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32882.0
1442 2011-07-29 23:33:20 <bitplane> hey erus`, fancy meeting you here!
1443 2011-07-29 23:33:37 <erus`> why u no on irrlicht?
1444 2011-07-29 23:33:43 <bitplane> have you forked the client and done anything nice with it?
1445 2011-07-29 23:33:48 <BlueMatt> IO- runs a pool
1446 2011-07-29 23:33:48 <erus`> bitplane: i saw a post from u linked on reddit
1447 2011-07-29 23:34:16 <bitplane> can't be bothered with irrlicht at the moment, need a kick up the backside to get back into 3d programming
1448 2011-07-29 23:34:34 <erus`> this is my addition to bitcoin thus far https://github.com/tm1rbrt/bitcoinrpc
1449 2011-07-29 23:34:55 <bitplane> oh yeah, I was reading that earlier :)
1450 2011-07-29 23:35:12 <bitplane> hadn't been on github in ages and decided to stalk you
1451 2011-07-29 23:35:43 <erus`> i been using haskell for a few months
1452 2011-07-29 23:35:46 <erus`> its great
1453 2011-07-29 23:35:51 <erus`> you should try :P
1454 2011-07-29 23:36:09 <bitplane> I've never got into functional programming, monads scare me
1455 2011-07-29 23:36:53 <bitplane> I wanna get into bitcoin and write a nice interface and some features that users need
1456 2011-07-29 23:37:17 <bitplane> a pure python client would be nice
1457 2011-07-29 23:37:46 <bitplane> and immutable wallets
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1460 2011-07-29 23:40:25 <erus`> does the client still need to download the entire blockchain?
1461 2011-07-29 23:40:30 <erus`> that needs to be fixed first
1462 2011-07-29 23:40:53 <Marf> yes
1463 2011-07-29 23:41:02 <Marf> but its getting fatser
1464 2011-07-29 23:41:07 <Marf> faster
1465 2011-07-29 23:42:50 <bitplane> would it be feasible to have an api for a site like block explorer, for checking your balance
1466 2011-07-29 23:43:19 <bitplane> and then push spends into the network without actually having any local block chain?
1467 2011-07-29 23:43:40 <Marf> something like that is possible
1468 2011-07-29 23:43:47 <Marf> an lightwighted client
1469 2011-07-29 23:43:57 <Marf> it just needs 10 mb to downlaod i think
1470 2011-07-29 23:44:05 <Marf> the android client uses this
1471 2011-07-29 23:44:15 <bitplane> headers from the chain?
1472 2011-07-29 23:44:24 <Marf> dont know the details
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1474 2011-07-29 23:44:51 <bitplane> 10MB is still a lot for a mobile device
1475 2011-07-29 23:45:16 <bitplane> I'd like to keep my keys in KeePass and serve them up over keepasshttp
1476 2011-07-29 23:46:06 <bitplane> to some sort of browser plugin or similar, and have a bunch of sites have a lightweight interface to the network
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1478 2011-07-29 23:47:31 <BlueMatt> wait, p2pool keeps .5% for the creator?
1479 2011-07-29 23:47:40 <BlueMatt> t -10 seconds until someone patches that out
1480 2011-07-29 23:47:49 <cjdelisle> hehe
1481 2011-07-29 23:48:29 <JFK911> ha
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1484 2011-07-29 23:50:08 <BlueMatt> "There is a constant fee that goes to me in every block in place to make this not worth it." -forrestv
1485 2011-07-29 23:50:09 <nanotube> BlueMatt: well, that remains to be seen. forrestv has spent a lot of time developing it, so it's quite fair.
1486 2011-07-29 23:50:18 <BlueMatt> wow, Im really surprised no one has patched it out
1487 2011-07-29 23:50:19 <Marf> he put much work in it
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1489 2011-07-29 23:50:26 <BlueMatt> nanotube: oh, I dont disagree its not fair
1490 2011-07-29 23:50:48 <BlueMatt> but its oss and a constant address payout there?
1491 2011-07-29 23:50:55 <BlueMatt> no way thats gonna stand
1492 2011-07-29 23:51:12 <Marf> its a test for the humanity
1493 2011-07-29 23:51:14 <Marf> ;D
1494 2011-07-29 23:51:16 <nanotube> we'll see how nice the miner community is. :)
1495 2011-07-29 23:51:28 <bitplane> it sets a crappy prescient
1496 2011-07-29 23:51:49 <bitplane> "fuck your altruism, I'm in it for the bitcoins"
1497 2011-07-29 23:52:06 <BlueMatt> the community has been that way for a long time now
1498 2011-07-29 23:52:38 <bitplane> someone should hack it out on principle
1499 2011-07-29 23:54:06 <bitplane> like everybody who commits a bugfix or feature might want their 0.001%
1500 2011-07-29 23:54:53 <bitplane> like how people put "u cant use this software if you dont agree with saving the whales" in their license agreements, and it all builds up into an incompatible mess
1501 2011-07-29 23:55:38 <Marf> feel free to run your changed client
1502 2011-07-29 23:55:48 <nanotube> bitplane: it's gplv3.
1503 2011-07-29 23:55:59 <erus`> the guy who started json had 'you shall not use this software for evil' and it causes loads of trouble :)
1504 2011-07-29 23:56:00 <bitplane> oh, okay
1505 2011-07-29 23:56:46 <erus`> he had to send an email to IBM stating that they may use it for evil or something :P
1506 2011-07-29 23:57:30 <cjdelisle> haha that's because IBM has a patent on tha act of copyrightinf software.
1507 2011-07-29 23:58:07 <cjdelisle> They also have patents on open source, compilers, computers, transisors and the electron.
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1509 2011-07-29 23:59:28 <bitplane> would be nice to patent the business method of patent trolling
1510 2011-07-29 23:59:30 * BlueMatt would love it if someone had a patent on patenting, then no one would get patents
1511 2011-07-29 23:59:35 <bitplane> then sue everyone