1 2011-07-30 00:00:19 <erus`> im an anti patent terrorist
   2 2011-07-30 00:00:35 <BlueMatt> Id support that
   3 2011-07-30 00:00:46 <b4epoche_> BlueMatt:  you could probably get a patent on, say, some method/device for auto-generating patents
   4 2011-07-30 00:01:47 <BlueMatt> b4epoche_: my point is to sue everyone who patents anything so that no one can use patents
   5 2011-07-30 00:01:53 <b4epoche_> I know
   6 2011-07-30 00:02:34 <cjdelisle> or just copy patented things and have them made in china and sell them on silkroad for btc
   7 2011-07-30 00:02:38 <cjdelisle> umad troll?
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   9 2011-07-30 00:03:27 <bitplane> haha
  10 2011-07-30 00:03:31 <Eliel> BlueMatt: you could patent the business method of patenting stuff to sue others for?
  11 2011-07-30 00:03:52 * BlueMatt s plan is to kidnap the ceo of comcast, take him to a private island and hold  a "trial" against him for human rights violations for cutting people off from the internet then hanging him on a livestream
  12 2011-07-30 00:03:56 <erus`> gaz i got ripped off on ebay
  13 2011-07-30 00:03:59 <erus`> :(
  14 2011-07-30 00:03:59 <b4epoche_> you could probably also get a patent for using printed patents for trolling (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTrolling_(fishing)&ei=JEkzToqiE8Hf0QHBsejiCw&usg=AFQjCNE72kyE5ssdEeusc8cq12GGd9r18g)
  15 2011-07-30 00:04:08 <erus`> hopefully can get paypal cashback or whatever
  16 2011-07-30 00:04:23 <BlueMatt> Eliel: patent patents so that no one can patent anything without me suing the crap out of them for infringement
  17 2011-07-30 00:04:34 <cjdelisle> Isn't fraud all there is on ebay?
  18 2011-07-30 00:04:46 <bitplane> erus`, happens all the time to me. don't buy micro sd cards
  19 2011-07-30 00:04:47 <erus`> nah i got a xbox 360 for £50 :)
  20 2011-07-30 00:05:01 <Eliel> I got the 5 PCIe 1x to 16x risers I ordered just fine :)
  21 2011-07-30 00:05:02 <erus`> but my full HD monitor/TV never came
  22 2011-07-30 00:05:09 <bitplane> "brick in a box 360"
  23 2011-07-30 00:05:11 <cjdelisle> Or just don't buy stuff on ebay?
  24 2011-07-30 00:05:27 <b4epoche_> Eliel:  how's that coming along?
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  26 2011-07-30 00:05:45 <Eliel> I wouldn't have bought from ebay if I had found them locally though :P
  27 2011-07-30 00:05:52 <Eliel> b4epoche_: that?
  28 2011-07-30 00:06:04 <b4epoche_> your mining rig
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  30 2011-07-30 00:06:23 <Eliel> I have 2x5770 and 1x5850 mining bitcoins 24/7
  31 2011-07-30 00:06:33 <b4epoche_> someone really should patent a method for patent trolling
  32 2011-07-30 00:06:38 <Eliel> quite small scale still
  33 2011-07-30 00:06:49 <bitplane> re net.cpp, is pnSeed a bunch of IPv4 addresses in hex? is it updated each release?
  34 2011-07-30 00:07:08 <b4epoche_> Eliel:  you using the riser?
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  40 2011-07-30 00:09:02 <Eliel> b4epoche_: not yet, I ordered them "just in case"
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  44 2011-07-30 00:10:03 <Eliel> b4epoche_: If I choose to buy more mining hardware, I'll use them.
  45 2011-07-30 00:10:12 <GriffenJBS> BlueMatt thanks again for the help, it finally worked
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  47 2011-07-30 00:10:28 <Eliel> however, I might just opt for buying bitcoins instead of mining stuff.
  48 2011-07-30 00:10:37 <BlueMatt> GriffenJBS: ???
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  51 2011-07-30 00:11:41 <Eliel> b4epoche_: currently, buying bitcoins directly feels like it might be a better option.
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  53 2011-07-30 00:12:57 <erus`> we can all do realtime money transfers with a laptop in a coffee shop like Russian gangsters in 90s movies now
  54 2011-07-30 00:13:14 <b4epoche_> hmm…  I think I calculated that it should be about $3/btc to mine
  55 2011-07-30 00:13:15 <GriffenJBS> BlueMatt you gave the advice on syncing the two clients
  56 2011-07-30 00:13:37 <BlueMatt> ah, youre welcome
  57 2011-07-30 00:14:06 <Eliel> b4epoche_: with what assumptions?
  58 2011-07-30 00:14:11 <b4epoche_> Eliel:  ^^ that was just electricity
  59 2011-07-30 00:14:29 <b4epoche_> and I took the average rate in the US
  60 2011-07-30 00:14:36 <Eliel> perhaps I'd better calculate it :)
  61 2011-07-30 00:14:38 <GriffenJBS> didn't work the first time, I copied while in use, and the client choked on startup, so I stopped the daemon, then copied, and it worked great, 30k blocks takes a while to update
  62 2011-07-30 00:15:11 <b4epoche_> but it's not hard to calculate since you can get hash/J on the wikk
  63 2011-07-30 00:15:12 <b4epoche_> wiki
  64 2011-07-30 00:16:08 <b4epoche_> this was with a difficulty a few weeks back.
  65 2011-07-30 00:16:14 <b4epoche_> but I'd have to think that the exchange rate is always going to be higher than the cost to mine
  66 2011-07-30 00:18:07 <b4epoche_> we should add that functionality to gribble
  67 2011-07-30 00:18:20 <Eliel> I don't need to factor electricity in
  68 2011-07-30 00:18:38 <Eliel> student apartment with flat fee for electricity
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  72 2011-07-30 00:19:33 <b4epoche_> in what country?
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  74 2011-07-30 00:19:55 <Eliel> if I got another 5770, it's take 3 months for it to generate the bitcoins to earn me it's purchase cost back.
  75 2011-07-30 00:20:32 <davro> Eliel minus the power bill ?
  76 2011-07-30 00:20:33 <Eliel> assuming difficulty won't increase too much.
  77 2011-07-30 00:20:41 <Eliel> b4epoche_: Finland
  78 2011-07-30 00:20:50 <Eliel> davro: I've got flat fee for electricity
  79 2011-07-30 00:21:00 <Eliel> so, no need to count it.
  80 2011-07-30 00:22:32 <davro> I wonder how far you could push that ?
  81 2011-07-30 00:22:43 <Eliel> no idea
  82 2011-07-30 00:23:10 <Eliel> but if I get much more miners here, this place will be too warm to live in... at least until winter
  83 2011-07-30 00:23:56 <Eliel> already kind of hot with just these 3 cards I have
  84 2011-07-30 00:24:58 <Eliel> in any case, I'm leaning towards just buying bitcoins rather than buying more cards.
  85 2011-07-30 00:25:21 <erus`> what do you guys spend btc on
  86 2011-07-30 00:25:28 <erus`> just silkroad?
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  88 2011-07-30 00:25:55 <Eliel> I haven't spent any so far, myself.
  89 2011-07-30 00:26:05 <BlueMatt> mezze grill
  90 2011-07-30 00:26:11 <BlueMatt> Ive bought various things on -otc
  91 2011-07-30 00:26:17 <BlueMatt> case fans
  92 2011-07-30 00:26:33 <erus`> im gonna set up a betting site
  93 2011-07-30 00:26:40 <erus`> but for really obscure bets
  94 2011-07-30 00:28:14 <davro> like when is the collapse going to happen ?
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  96 2011-07-30 00:28:22 <JFK911> next week
  97 2011-07-30 00:28:26 <davro> sweet
  98 2011-07-30 00:28:26 <JFK911> august 2
  99 2011-07-30 00:29:51 <erus`> actually i should just do: someone places a bet like $5 says bleh is gonna win blah and then the highest bidder gets to bet against him, like $10 says no
 100 2011-07-30 00:30:01 <davro> soon cause this pile tinned food is going out of date quickly !
 101 2011-07-30 00:30:08 <erus`> is there anything like that?
 102 2011-07-30 00:31:19 <davro> Dunno buddy, but I wish I had a bitcoin for everyone that said they where going to start a gambling site !
 103 2011-07-30 00:31:50 <erus`> i'll write it in webscale vb
 104 2011-07-30 00:31:51 <Eliel> yeah, you'd make a fortune :D
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 108 2011-07-30 00:45:53 <davro> Anyone know what is up with Silk Road ?
 109 2011-07-30 00:46:19 <davro> other than "some kind of glitch"
 110 2011-07-30 00:46:21 <BlueMatt> meaning?
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 112 2011-07-30 00:46:42 <BlueMatt> yea, we dont really discuss silk road here
 113 2011-07-30 00:49:02 <davro> kinda like fight club ?
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 115 2011-07-30 00:53:55 <BlueMatt> no kinda like, bitcoin isnt for illegal activity, and we dont discuss illegal activity here
 116 2011-07-30 00:54:19 <random_cat> maybe there is a channel somewhere for it
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 118 2011-07-30 00:55:02 <BlueMatt> maybe you shouldnt be buying illegal drugs?
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 123 2011-07-30 00:58:48 <davro> BlueMatt I just wanted to check the site out never seen it before ?
 124 2011-07-30 00:59:04 <davro> I did not even know what they sold ?
 125 2011-07-30 00:59:15 <BlueMatt> illegal drugs
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 127 2011-07-30 00:59:53 <davro> Anyway I though you did not discuss silk road in here ?
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 129 2011-07-30 01:00:57 <BlueMatt> we dont provide tech support for sites selling illegal drugs
 130 2011-07-30 01:00:59 <BlueMatt> how about that
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 132 2011-07-30 01:01:08 <BlueMatt> anyway, you get the point
 133 2011-07-30 01:01:10 <zeropointo> i moved my bitcoin wallet to another pc, but tranfered an old backup copy of wallet.dat. It doesn't contain some of the new addresses i've used. is there a way to add those specific addresses to the Bitcoin client?
 134 2011-07-30 01:01:52 <BlueMatt> not really
 135 2011-07-30 01:02:13 <davro> BlueMatt Right ?
 136 2011-07-30 01:02:29 <zeropointo> well crap...
 137 2011-07-30 01:02:39 <BlueMatt> you probably have the addresses in the new wallet
 138 2011-07-30 01:02:41 <BlueMatt> in the key poo
 139 2011-07-30 01:02:42 <BlueMatt> l
 140 2011-07-30 01:02:47 <BlueMatt> they just wont show up in gui/cli
 141 2011-07-30 01:06:08 <upb> jup
 142 2011-07-30 01:06:31 <zeropointo> BlueMatt: what if i send myself BTC at those addresses?
 143 2011-07-30 01:06:45 <upb> basically the home implemented linked list serialization in bitcoin is vulnerable to buffer underflows
 144 2011-07-30 01:07:11 <BlueMatt> zeropointo: they will show up as txes, but not as addresses in the book
 145 2011-07-30 01:07:49 <BlueMatt> zeropointo: wouldnt bet your btc on it coming out the other end though
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 147 2011-07-30 01:07:55 <BlueMatt> if the backup is too old, you are screwed
 148 2011-07-30 01:07:58 <zeropointo> BlueMatt: so i can recieve money but not send money with those addresses not in my address book?
 149 2011-07-30 01:08:12 <BlueMatt> you will send from whatever address has money
 150 2011-07-30 01:08:19 <BlueMatt> including keypool ones
 151 2011-07-30 01:08:29 <BlueMatt> they just wont show up in the "My addresses" windows thing
 152 2011-07-30 01:08:36 <BlueMatt> but they are yours as much as any other address
 153 2011-07-30 01:10:09 <zeropointo> i was reinstalling linux on the machine with the current (up-to-date) wallet. i guess i'll make sure i have a fresh backup next time. >_<
 154 2011-07-30 01:10:09 <upb> BlueMatt: are you an actual develope r or jsut a project öanager
 155 2011-07-30 01:10:21 <upb> that erute ack to random pull reqs
 156 2011-07-30 01:10:24 <BlueMatt> wtf is a öanager
 157 2011-07-30 01:10:35 <zeropointo> manager?
 158 2011-07-30 01:10:36 <upb> project mandgee
 159 2011-07-30 01:10:37 <zeropointo> lol
 160 2011-07-30 01:10:41 <upb> manwger
 161 2011-07-30 01:10:47 <BlueMatt> officially can push to the repo? no
 162 2011-07-30 01:10:55 <BlueMatt> I just hang around...
 163 2011-07-30 01:11:08 <upb> i öean do you have developer experience at all
 164 2011-07-30 01:11:12 <BlueMatt> yea
 165 2011-07-30 01:11:21 <BlueMatt> I wrote the whole wallet encryption stuff
 166 2011-07-30 01:11:22 <BlueMatt> and upnp
 167 2011-07-30 01:11:31 <BlueMatt> and various tiny patches
 168 2011-07-30 01:11:34 <zeropointo> BlueMatt: i noticed somthing that looks like wallet encryption in the new source code. has that been added?
 169 2011-07-30 01:11:41 <BlueMatt> and Im the guy who does the official builds that go on bitcoin.org
 170 2011-07-30 01:11:51 <BlueMatt> zeropointo: yep, in current code you can encrypt the wallet
 171 2011-07-30 01:12:00 <BlueMatt> will be there for next release
 172 2011-07-30 01:12:31 <zeropointo> cool. i cloned it yeasterday i'm planning on compiling it.
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 175 2011-07-30 01:13:53 <upb> youre basically saying that you have no de v wypericance a tall
 176 2011-07-30 01:14:13 <BlueMatt> first, I cant read anything you are saying, wtf is with your keyboard?
 177 2011-07-30 01:14:25 <BlueMatt> second, no Im saying I do do quite a bit of work on the bicoin client
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 180 2011-07-30 01:18:57 <upb> im usinf a pgone keyboard
 181 2011-07-30 01:19:05 <upb> that maps nimbers to lerred
 182 2011-07-30 01:19:27 <upb> i mean have you done any dev work on non bictcoin proejcects
 183 2011-07-30 01:19:56 <BlueMatt> nothing major to speak of, no
 184 2011-07-30 01:20:33 <BlueMatt> I just finished high school last summer ffs, what do you expect?
 185 2011-07-30 01:20:40 <BlueMatt> s/last/this/
 186 2011-07-30 01:21:59 <upb> oh,ok
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 194 2011-07-30 01:32:48 <upb> seems pretty werid that yourw blocking mergr requests
 195 2011-07-30 01:32:58 <upb> with little or no dev experience
 196 2011-07-30 01:33:13 <BlueMatt> Im not blocking anything
 197 2011-07-30 01:33:28 <BlueMatt> what are you talking about?
 198 2011-07-30 01:40:14 <BlueMatt> nanotube: ok, nightlies starting tomorrow are pgp signed
 199 2011-07-30 01:41:02 <BlueMatt> anyway, Im off to bed...upb: I dont do any blocking nor am capable of doing any blocking...I offer my opinions on patches and jgarzik/gavin/sipa/tcatm can take them or leave them
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 211 2011-07-30 01:52:50 <avivmas> hello, i want to build a javascript miner myself.  i was read this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_hashing_algorithm and i still dont understand how i can find the good hash that can block.  i need to hashing much times the parameters together and each one call "header". and then how my program can know that the specific hash is "block"?
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 214 2011-07-30 01:54:27 <cjdelisle> it's already been done and it's slow
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 216 2011-07-30 01:57:01 <nibb> Hi, can someone tell me if this exists already?
 217 2011-07-30 01:57:10 <nibb> Basically I want an box
 218 2011-07-30 01:57:39 <nibb> Where you can convert live prices from USD to  BitCoin based on the currency exchange of one or more exchanges
 219 2011-07-30 01:57:43 <nibb> But !!!!
 220 2011-07-30 01:57:51 <nibb> I want to put a lower price to this
 221 2011-07-30 01:58:01 <nibb> Example, if the official price is 13$ per BitCoin
 222 2011-07-30 01:58:09 <nibb> It would then always extra lets say 5$
 223 2011-07-30 01:58:19 <nibb> And it would show 8$ per BitCoin
 224 2011-07-30 01:58:31 <nibb> The reason is I want to accept bitcoins on a my store
 225 2011-07-30 01:58:39 <nibb> But I have the risk of taking this
 226 2011-07-30 01:58:53 <nibb> So I want to take a lower price per BitCoin thatn the official from MT Gox
 227 2011-07-30 01:59:05 <nibb> It would be helpful for merchants
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 235 2011-07-30 02:19:49 <lfm> nibb that should not be hard to do if you wanted.
 236 2011-07-30 02:19:49 <Rabbit67890_> NETSPLIT!!!
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 251 2011-07-30 02:20:20 <b4epoche_> eh?
 252 2011-07-30 02:20:44 <b4epoche_> maybe we should have a bitcoin split like a stock split
 253 2011-07-30 02:20:54 <lfm> ni!
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 259 2011-07-30 02:32:23 <nibb> Are there developers here?
 260 2011-07-30 02:32:38 Rabbit67890_ is now known as Rabbit67890
 261 2011-07-30 02:34:20 <cjdelisle> I think this chan is full of devs, not all btc devs but all devs ;)
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 263 2011-07-30 02:36:10 <nibb> Are there maybe post or bid on freelancers.com?
 264 2011-07-30 02:36:23 <nibb> I may need some for a bitcoin related project
 265 2011-07-30 02:36:54 <nibb> I mean freelancer.com
 266 2011-07-30 02:37:16 <cjdelisle> Around here is a good place to ask esp. if you intend on paying in btc
 267 2011-07-30 02:40:22 <JFK911> so the high cpu load does only happen when more than one gpu is active
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 269 2011-07-30 02:40:38 <JFK911> i take the dummy plug off and the thing is idle
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 271 2011-07-30 02:42:39 <k9quaint> JFK911: linux or windows?
 272 2011-07-30 02:42:43 <JFK911> windoze
 273 2011-07-30 02:42:51 <JFK911> i can futz around with it and get only one to load
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 275 2011-07-30 02:43:20 <k9quaint> I had the CPU@100% problem with the 11.7 cat drivers loaded
 276 2011-07-30 02:43:27 <JFK911> im still on cat 10.x
 277 2011-07-30 02:43:31 <k9quaint> I backed down to 11.6 and the CPU returned to normal
 278 2011-07-30 02:43:35 <k9quaint> but I am running linux :P
 279 2011-07-30 02:43:51 <JFK911> i didnt try multiple cards with linux
 280 2011-07-30 02:43:57 <JFK911> seemed to work well with one
 281 2011-07-30 02:44:44 <JFK911> see i cant dedicate a nice computer to linux because i need to do useful work with it as well
 282 2011-07-30 02:44:59 <JFK911> ati admitted they have a problem with multi gpu's tho
 283 2011-07-30 02:45:10 <JFK911> and i think they are being convinced 11.7 makes this worse for everyone
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 290 2011-07-30 03:03:11 <MaggyO> how many confirmed should someone wait for before trusting the btc has transfered
 291 2011-07-30 03:05:26 <forrestv> anyone here know about merged mining? specifically the format of the primary chain's coinbase?
 292 2011-07-30 03:06:23 <jine> Noticed that another pool was giving away Google Adword Vouchers, if anyone would like one for FREE, NOW - please read our thread: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10121.msg411797#msg411797 - I'm doing this for the bitcoin community and bitcoin-related sites :)
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 301 2011-07-30 03:21:09 <sacarlson> would this be the smallest difficulty possible in nBits format nbits = 1dffffff  = dDiff dec = 0.00390619062818233 ?
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 367 2011-07-30 05:39:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 138740 | Current Difficulty: 1690895.8030524 | Next Difficulty At Block: 139103 | Next Difficulty In: 363 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 4 hours, 19 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1864378.50462408
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 378 2011-07-30 06:15:51 <aviadbd> i'm still confused with the result of "getwork"
 379 2011-07-30 06:16:03 <aviadbd> it returns a 256 characters result for the "data" field.
 380 2011-07-30 06:16:16 <aviadbd> however, a block header should be 80 bytes, hence 160 characters.
 381 2011-07-30 06:16:19 <aviadbd> what gives? :)
 382 2011-07-30 06:16:26 <luke-jr_> just cut it
 383 2011-07-30 06:17:13 <aviadbd> luke-jr_: but cut where?
 384 2011-07-30 06:17:39 <aviadbd> luke-jr_: for that matter, is there a way to get the result of "getwork" for a block I see in blockexplorer?
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 386 2011-07-30 06:21:25 <pixglen> If I receive bitcoins on multiple address, and I send out some bitcoins e.g. using JSON RPC "sendtoaddress", what sending address does bitcoin choose?
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 391 2011-07-30 06:26:34 <aviadbd_> luke-jr_: did you answer?
 392 2011-07-30 06:26:39 <aviadbd_> pixglen: why not use sendfrom?
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 395 2011-07-30 06:28:17 <aviadbd_> pixglen: unless its an understanding question :P
 396 2011-07-30 06:28:25 <aviadbd_> pixglen: if so, i dont understand :)
 397 2011-07-30 06:30:50 <aviadbd_> wow... dead channel... :/
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 418 2011-07-30 07:23:20 <pixglen> aviadbd: it is an understanding question
 419 2011-07-30 07:26:30 <aviadbd> well, im away - i hope someone can pick up my question.
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 433 2011-07-30 07:56:51 <SuprTiggr> Rabbit67890: Error: "pot" is not a valid command.
 434 2011-07-30 07:56:56 <coingenuity> lol
 435 2011-07-30 07:57:07 <coingenuity> you're straight-edge suprtiggr
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 453 2011-07-30 08:26:33 <aviadbd> pixglen: i would guess it uses the "main" account - but i can't see an API command to change any account to be "main"
 454 2011-07-30 08:27:39 <pixglen> aviadbd: i suppose it would be main, but what is the sender address?
 455 2011-07-30 08:28:05 <aviadbd> pixglen: what do you mean? the main *is* an address, isnt it?
 456 2011-07-30 08:29:04 <pixglen> aviadbd: say i receive into my addresses a, b and c; i then send out to someone, which one does the bitcoin pick or does it use a new address?
 457 2011-07-30 08:29:31 <aviadbd> maybe it uses the last one used by "sendfrom"
 458 2011-07-30 08:29:34 <aviadbd> ?
 459 2011-07-30 08:29:55 <aviadbd> its easy to check through the code i suppose
 460 2011-07-30 08:29:59 <aviadbd> (or should be easy)
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 463 2011-07-30 08:40:39 <aviadbd> Did you guys see this, btw? http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/30763/bitcoin-crypto-currency?referrer=tf128yAJh5fspDOgXlkhmg2
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 472 2011-07-30 09:07:22 <aviadbd> Rabbit67890: great
 473 2011-07-30 09:07:23 <aviadbd> :)
 474 2011-07-30 09:07:30 <Rabbit67890> ?
 475 2011-07-30 09:10:18 <zamgo> "or other crypto-currencies"
 476 2011-07-30 09:11:20 <zamgo> namecoin, etc
 477 2011-07-30 09:13:25 <cjdelisle> I think it would be good for questions about wallets and script and the crypto stuff.
 478 2011-07-30 09:14:00 <cjdelisle> It seems that the forum kind of died of, well... forum syndrome.
 479 2011-07-30 09:14:45 <kreal-> when I do  ./bitcoind sendfrom "blah" address, it generates a new address in my bitcoind right?
 480 2011-07-30 09:15:26 <cjdelisle> ^that is an on-topic question +1
 481 2011-07-30 09:16:10 <cjdelisle> mm no you can't generate new addresses to send from because you can only send from addresses which other people have sent to.
 482 2011-07-30 09:17:06 <kreal-> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/e5554864a9fb70bfbf747eeec425d91de296e706abc061e8cc24046ba9321fff
 483 2011-07-30 09:17:10 <kreal-> lets take that txid
 484 2011-07-30 09:17:31 <kreal-> I just send 0.1, and as far as I see it the From address now belongs to me right.
 485 2011-07-30 09:18:19 <cjdelisle> if 17L55HJB5kCVyPMfR9SaM92oXwz3XYS5uX is your address, you can "sign over" that 0.1 to someone else
 486 2011-07-30 09:18:40 <kreal-> it is not, it was the address I sent to.
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 488 2011-07-30 09:18:49 <cjdelisle> but that's the address it will use to do it, you can't invent an address and have btc be "in it"
 489 2011-07-30 09:19:30 <cjdelisle> yea that from addr is one of yours
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 491 2011-07-30 09:19:59 <cjdelisle> it was probably generated the last time you got paid
 492 2011-07-30 09:20:15 <kreal-> hmm
 493 2011-07-30 09:21:56 <cjdelisle> so when you see a tx with a crapload of inputs, it's because someone has a ton of addresses and each one has a little bit of money to it's name, so they had to use them all as inputs.
 494 2011-07-30 09:22:23 <kreal-> right, makes sense thanks.
 495 2011-07-30 09:23:08 <cjdelisle> sure thing
 496 2011-07-30 09:24:11 <kreal-> now for finding blockexplorer api, so I can parse input out.
 497 2011-07-30 09:24:21 <kreal-> oh if not, use domdocument...
 498 2011-07-30 09:24:38 <cjdelisle> what do you want to know?
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 501 2011-07-30 09:25:17 <kreal-> oh well just wanted to grep the Inputs to my own site.
 502 2011-07-30 09:26:24 <cjdelisle> a friend of mine made an eggdrop which tells you the balance when you paste something it recognizes as an addr
 503 2011-07-30 09:26:49 <cjdelisle> 05:26 <@bitbawt> 17L55HJB5kCVyPMfR9SaM92oXwz3XYS5uX has 0.10000000 BTC.
 504 2011-07-30 09:27:07 <kreal-> parsed from blockexplorer?
 505 2011-07-30 09:27:28 <cjdelisle> yea, there's a api call   bex.com/q
 506 2011-07-30 09:28:01 <kreal-> blockexplorer.com/q right
 507 2011-07-30 09:28:18 <cjdelisle> http://blockexplorer.com/q/getreceivedbyaddress/15N88gCoJU2pHguHPqFNCapXKvke7UCzr3
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 511 2011-07-30 09:37:32 <euphoria> îõðåíåòü
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 514 2011-07-30 09:42:34 <wirehead> what kind of bandwidth does hosting a pool require?
 515 2011-07-30 09:42:52 <wirehead> n/m, I will look it up
 516 2011-07-30 09:44:25 <copumpkin> I'd imagine pretty small
 517 2011-07-30 09:44:37 <copumpkin> requests and responses are pretty smal
 518 2011-07-30 09:48:13 <cjdelisle> host it on google app engine... umad kiddies?
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 520 2011-07-30 09:48:46 <kreal-> wirehead shameless advertising.
 521 2011-07-30 09:48:50 <kreal-> gbyte.dk/purchase
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 524 2011-07-30 09:50:38 <copumpkin> kreal-: why can't we purchase the ionCube one in btc? :P
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 526 2011-07-30 09:51:00 <kreal-> good question
 527 2011-07-30 09:51:04 <kreal-> why?
 528 2011-07-30 09:54:05 <kreal-> copumpkin rectified
 529 2011-07-30 09:54:15 <copumpkin> mmm!
 530 2011-07-30 09:56:00 <copumpkin> holy shit
 531 2011-07-30 09:56:02 <copumpkin> they killed magic quotes
 532 2011-07-30 09:56:18 <Eliel> about time
 533 2011-07-30 09:56:46 <shockedATTux> indeed
 534 2011-07-30 09:56:58 <shockedATTux> they were one of the worst crappy bses in ph
 535 2011-07-30 09:56:59 <shockedATTux> p
 536 2011-07-30 09:57:32 <shockedATTux> the concept of the 'magic quotes' is totally wrong
 537 2011-07-30 09:57:37 <Eliel> yep, always ended up getting extra slashed in the content.
 538 2011-07-30 09:58:07 <TuxBlackEdo> shockedattux?
 539 2011-07-30 09:58:09 <Eliel> and then I got to make the code to check if the slashes are turned on and remove them if they are
 540 2011-07-30 09:59:01 <shockedATTux> TuxBlackEdo: what ?
 541 2011-07-30 09:59:33 <TuxBlackEdo> what? you wanna go?
 542 2011-07-30 09:59:52 <shockedATTux> i'm SHOCKED at magical tux for claiming on mtgox site that 'funds can be redeemed at any time' and 'btc withdrawal limit can be increased by sending an email at any time'
 543 2011-07-30 10:00:06 <shockedATTux> when in reality it cant be done because of some unspecificied 'legal problems'
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 545 2011-07-30 10:00:19 <TuxBlackEdo> use tradehill
 546 2011-07-30 10:00:23 <TuxBlackEdo> much better
 547 2011-07-30 10:00:29 <shockedATTux> how, getting funds out is not possible ;D
 548 2011-07-30 10:01:01 <cjdelisle> how did you get them in?
 549 2011-07-30 10:01:04 <random_cat> you haven't visited #bitcoin-otc
 550 2011-07-30 10:01:09 <copumpkin> it's write-only
 551 2011-07-30 10:01:20 <shockedATTux> cjdelisle: my sending bank transfer
 552 2011-07-30 10:01:54 <cjdelisle> and they won't wire back to the same account?
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 555 2011-07-30 10:04:08 <shockedATTux> no, its limited to 1000$/day and 100btc/day
 556 2011-07-30 10:04:13 <shockedATTux> like a trap :)
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 558 2011-07-30 10:04:59 <cjdelisle> Do you mind me asking how much you have?
 559 2011-07-30 10:05:57 <Marf_sleep> i bet 101 btc ;)
 560 2011-07-30 10:06:30 <shockedATTux> :)
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 563 2011-07-30 10:12:50 <gjs278> I have 57
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 567 2011-07-30 10:19:47 <TuxBlackEdo> i have 1 bitcoin
 568 2011-07-30 10:20:20 <copumpkin> yay
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 572 2011-07-30 10:22:51 <sipa> ;;later tell BlueMatt encryption a wallet causes the TxnCommit() call to fail and exit here... :s
 573 2011-07-30 10:22:52 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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 576 2011-07-30 10:23:38 <sipa> ;;later tell wumpus It seems the address book in bitcoin-qt doesn't show all sending addresses, even though transactions to them do show the name of the address
 577 2011-07-30 10:23:38 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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 586 2011-07-30 10:36:30 <sipa> BlueMatt: encryption a wallet causes the TxnCommit() call to fail and exit here...
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 607 2011-07-30 10:47:13 <vragnaroda> haha, got it in with perfect timing
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 611 2011-07-30 10:52:37 <BlueMatt> sipa: TxnCommit should never fail?
 612 2011-07-30 10:53:07 <sipa> it does here, consistently
 613 2011-07-30 10:53:18 <sipa> i wonder whether there is something wrong with my setup
 614 2011-07-30 10:56:32 <BlueMatt> wfm
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 644 2011-07-30 11:48:30 <TheZagitta> Any hardware nerd around that feel like helping me choose between two cpu's?
 645 2011-07-30 11:48:39 <BlueMatt> #hardware
 646 2011-07-30 11:48:58 <sipa> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
 647 2011-07-30 11:50:47 <BlueMatt> go for high cache and see what you might want to use of the fancy features of modern processors and check that
 648 2011-07-30 11:50:48 <TheZagitta> uh thanks BlueMatt, sipa: it's more complicated than that ;)
 649 2011-07-30 11:51:04 <BlueMatt> (ie hdd encryption, make sure you have processor aes...)
 650 2011-07-30 11:51:21 <TheZagitta> oh it's just a choice between two used cpu's
 651 2011-07-30 11:51:34 <BlueMatt> oh
 652 2011-07-30 11:52:05 <TheZagitta> because i want to upgrade my rig but i don't really have the money to go for mb, ram and i5 cpu atm as i'm moving out soonish
 653 2011-07-30 11:53:59 <TheZagitta> so i found a cheap QX6850 (130$) and Q9550 (150$)... however if OC comes into the equation i don't know wich one to pick
 654 2011-07-30 11:54:23 <gjs278> neither
 655 2011-07-30 11:54:32 <gjs278> i5-2500k has been on sale as low as $150
 656 2011-07-30 11:54:39 <gjs278> it would be a waste to buy anything 775
 657 2011-07-30 11:55:10 <gjs278> especially at those prices
 658 2011-07-30 11:55:45 <gjs278> keep in mind with an openbox mobo from newegg and 4 - 8 gb of 1333 ram, you basically spend about $120 for that and then $150 for the cpu
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 661 2011-07-30 11:57:38 <TheZagitta> well it ain't that cheap in denmark i can tell you
 662 2011-07-30 11:57:42 <gjs278> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138317R
 663 2011-07-30 11:57:44 <gjs278> oh
 664 2011-07-30 11:57:45 <gjs278> no newegg
 665 2011-07-30 11:57:50 <TheZagitta> nope no newegg
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 667 2011-07-30 11:58:01 <gjs278> don't go there and browse around you'll be sad
 668 2011-07-30 11:58:06 <TheZagitta> i know lol
 669 2011-07-30 11:58:52 <TheZagitta> 600$ is about the cheapest you can get a mb, ram and i5-2500k for in denmark
 670 2011-07-30 11:59:05 <BlueMatt> then dont buy in denmark
 671 2011-07-30 11:59:31 <mabus> his question was pretty simple
 672 2011-07-30 11:59:31 <TheZagitta> it's not cheaper getting it from anywhere in europe either because of shipping...
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 674 2011-07-30 12:00:17 <gjs278> Q9550 of your choices is the better
 675 2011-07-30 12:00:58 <TheZagitta> I'm quite close to a girl in the US though, i wonder what it would cost to get it from newegg and then have her ship it to denmark
 676 2011-07-30 12:01:12 <gjs278> it would be worth it
 677 2011-07-30 12:01:16 <ersi> TheZagitta: The Customs will rape the shit out of you. EU does not like Import
 678 2011-07-30 12:01:18 <BlueMatt> you dont know someone who regularly goes back and forth
 679 2011-07-30 12:01:32 <ersi> stupid country limitation and politics crap
 680 2011-07-30 12:02:11 <bonsaikitten> TheZagitta: have a look at german shops
 681 2011-07-30 12:02:17 <bonsaikitten> they tend to be relatively cheap
 682 2011-07-30 12:02:20 <TheZagitta> sadly i don't no, but eris: write "GIFT" on the package and you'll be fine most of the time
 683 2011-07-30 12:02:48 <TheZagitta> bonsaikitten: yeah i've looked before but shipping kills that idea
 684 2011-07-30 12:02:57 <BlueMatt> omg...rsyslogd eating 100% cpu, kernel logging like a madman
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 686 2011-07-30 12:05:44 <TheZagitta> #hardware says Q9550 :)
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 689 2011-07-30 12:13:09 <gjs278> yeah
 690 2011-07-30 12:13:25 <gjs278> whenever it's a generation up like that, it's always the higher
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 692 2011-07-30 12:15:52 <TheZagitta> aight i'll give the guy a call, thanks ppl :)
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 704 2011-07-30 13:01:35 <forrestv> sacarlson, 1fffffff will result in a negative number if you unpack it 'the right way'
 705 2011-07-30 13:02:08 <sacarlson> forrestv: so negative is bad?
 706 2011-07-30 13:02:38 <forrestv> i'm not really sure what would happen ...
 707 2011-07-30 13:02:40 <sacarlson> forrestv: so what is the smallist value posible then?
 708 2011-07-30 13:03:08 <sacarlson> forrestv: I assume it works as unsigned integer but ?
 709 2011-07-30 13:04:01 <sacarlson> forrestv: I assumed you could create a difficulty as small as .00000001
 710 2011-07-30 13:04:28 <forrestv> sacarlson, 2100ffff
 711 2011-07-30 13:04:48 <forrestv> i think.
 712 2011-07-30 13:05:13 <sacarlson> forrestv: on my present calc that 2100ffff is dDiff dec = 2.3283064365387e-10
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 715 2011-07-30 13:05:52 <sacarlson> forrestv: so I'll plug that in too and see what happens
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 719 2011-07-30 13:14:06 <sacarlson> forrestv: thanks for your input by the way
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 740 2011-07-30 14:02:51 <asher^> does pushpool/bitcoind redistribute work if it is not returned in a particular amount of time?
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 756 2011-07-30 14:33:02 <TuxBlackEdo> asher^: i think it will assume that work not returned does not meet target difficulty
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 758 2011-07-30 14:33:40 <asher^> TuxBlackEdo right, that would apply to bitcoind, any idea for pushpool?
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 760 2011-07-30 14:34:30 <TuxBlackEdo> don't both work the same?
 761 2011-07-30 14:34:42 <asher^> im not sure
 762 2011-07-30 14:34:56 <asher^> i was wondering what the cause of duplicate shares was
 763 2011-07-30 14:36:37 <TuxBlackEdo> duplicate as in stale?
 764 2011-07-30 14:36:46 <TuxBlackEdo> or some pools call it different
 765 2011-07-30 14:36:50 <TuxBlackEdo> invalid
 766 2011-07-30 14:36:51 <jgarzik> asher^: there is no "redistribute work"  each work is newly generated
 767 2011-07-30 14:37:22 <TuxBlackEdo> a share becomes invalid when the pool or bitcoin network has moved onto a new block?
 768 2011-07-30 14:37:32 <asher^> not stale, pushpool has different types listed for rejected shares: stale, duplicate and invalid-work
 769 2011-07-30 14:37:32 <jgarzik> TuxBlackEdo: correct
 770 2011-07-30 14:37:35 <TuxBlackEdo> is there a tenchical explanation of how the bitcoin network works?
 771 2011-07-30 14:38:07 <TuxBlackEdo> i am just guessing at this point
 772 2011-07-30 14:40:00 <TuxBlackEdo> i am watching this video called "bitcoin a technical introduction" and I was wondering if there is a better quality version of this video?
 773 2011-07-30 14:42:49 <b4epoche_> there's nothing I know of between "read the paper" and "look at the code"
 774 2011-07-30 14:43:07 <b4epoche_> the bitcoinj code is very well commented
 775 2011-07-30 14:45:51 <BlueMatt> gavin has done a couple good podcasts
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 782 2011-07-30 15:10:20 <TuxBlackEdo> wouldn't my transactions go faster if i was connected to deepbit's bitcoind? they seem to be getting blocks all the time, so the confirmations would start rolling in
 783 2011-07-30 15:11:14 <sipa> wouldn't matter
 784 2011-07-30 15:11:40 <sipa> the network distributes your transactions to miners anyway
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 787 2011-07-30 15:16:01 <BlueMatt> the chance of one of your txes getting into an earlier block because of a well-placed peer is something like 0.001%
 788 2011-07-30 15:16:09 <BlueMatt> or some other equally low value
 789 2011-07-30 15:18:17 <xelister> ilikehorsies
 790 2011-07-30 15:18:18 <xelister> wait, this isnt my password prompt
 791 2011-07-30 15:18:36 <SomeoneWeird> 0_o
 792 2011-07-30 15:18:37 <BlueMatt> ...funny
 793 2011-07-30 15:18:40 <SomeoneWeird> haha
 794 2011-07-30 15:18:45 <ersi> +0.5 Funny
 795 2011-07-30 15:18:51 <BlueMatt> -2 Funny
 796 2011-07-30 15:19:05 <ersi> Current funny status: -1.5
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 798 2011-07-30 15:22:37 <TuxBlackEdo> how exactly is a difficulty target met? is it by inserting a random number in a field and trying to re-sha256 it to see if it meets the current networks difficulty?
 799 2011-07-30 15:23:28 <TuxBlackEdo> is it basically hasing meta data and a ramdom integer?
 800 2011-07-30 15:23:39 <TuxBlackEdo> hashing*
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 812 2011-07-30 15:40:03 <forrestv> TuxBlackEdo, yes
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 815 2011-07-30 15:42:11 <sipa> except it's not really a random number, but all consecutive numbers
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 817 2011-07-30 15:48:25 <asher^> does anyone know where i can find the format of the json request from a miner to pushpool/bitcoin?
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 823 2011-07-30 16:03:04 <forrestv> asher^, source code of bitcoin/pools/miners :/
 824 2011-07-30 16:03:29 <asher^> kk
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 827 2011-07-30 16:04:37 <sipa> asher^: it's basically JSON-RPC, limited to the 'getwork' call
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 831 2011-07-30 16:07:10 <wumpus> sipa: yup seems to be a bug there
 832 2011-07-30 16:07:38 <wumpus> sipa: they only appear in the address book *after* a restart of the client :p
 833 2011-07-30 16:07:48 <sipa> that's strange
 834 2011-07-30 16:08:04 <sipa> do you modify the address book data somehow?
 835 2011-07-30 16:08:14 <sipa> when just loading
 836 2011-07-30 16:08:19 <wumpus> it's strictly a gui-side issue
 837 2011-07-30 16:08:32 <wumpus> the model of the address book is not updated properly
 838 2011-07-30 16:09:11 <wumpus> that's why it does show the label correctly in the transaction list
 839 2011-07-30 16:09:17 <wumpus> just not in lists
 840 2011-07-30 16:09:59 <wumpus> it's because there are no notifications that the underlying data structure changed :p
 841 2011-07-30 16:10:09 <sipa> ok, but what changes in between the two times the client is ran?
 842 2011-07-30 16:10:26 <sipa> yes, if i find some time i plan to implement your suggestion for notifications
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 844 2011-07-30 16:10:37 <wumpus> at startup it re-converts the address book in the CWallet object to its own list
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 846 2011-07-30 16:10:57 <wumpus> so the two representations match up again
 847 2011-07-30 16:11:08 <sipa> wait, and this address book is stored separately?
 848 2011-07-30 16:11:16 <sipa> the gui representation?
 849 2011-07-30 16:11:27 <wumpus> yes, it needs an indexeable representation for the gui
 850 2011-07-30 16:11:50 <wumpus> you cannot fetch item 6 from the hash for display, for example
 851 2011-07-30 16:11:59 <sipa> but where is it stored?
 852 2011-07-30 16:12:19 <wumpus> in a QList<> currently
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 854 2011-07-30 16:12:31 <sipa> wait, i think i'm misunderstanding something
 855 2011-07-30 16:12:39 <wumpus> in memory
 856 2011-07-30 16:12:44 <sipa> you say they appear in the address book after a restart of the client
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 858 2011-07-30 16:13:00 <sipa> which seems to imply that some on-disk data changed in between?
 859 2011-07-30 16:13:07 <wumpus> no, the disk data is ok
 860 2011-07-30 16:13:11 <wumpus> it's just shown wrongly
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 862 2011-07-30 16:13:41 <sipa> wait, what exactly do you mean by "a restart of the client" ?
 863 2011-07-30 16:14:50 <wumpus> brb
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 879 2011-07-30 16:35:22 <jrmithdobbs> ;;blocks
 880 2011-07-30 16:35:23 <gribble> Error: "blocks" is not a valid command.
 881 2011-07-30 16:35:31 <jrmithdobbs> ;;getblocks
 882 2011-07-30 16:35:31 <gribble> Error: "getblocks" is not a valid command.
 883 2011-07-30 16:36:15 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
 884 2011-07-30 16:36:15 <gribble> 138816
 885 2011-07-30 16:36:34 <jrmithdobbs> nice, 20k behind
 886 2011-07-30 16:38:13 <jrmithdobbs> holy crap
 887 2011-07-30 16:38:13 <jrmithdobbs> 2.1G	.bitcoin/debug.log
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 890 2011-07-30 16:39:04 <SomeoneWeird> lol haha
 891 2011-07-30 16:39:16 <jrmithdobbs> that'll teach me not to restart shit
 892 2011-07-30 16:39:57 <jrmithdobbs> that's only been running for 2 weeks, wow
 893 2011-07-30 16:40:01 <SomeoneWeird> mine 3 megs
 894 2011-07-30 16:40:03 <SomeoneWeird> lol
 895 2011-07-30 16:40:05 <SomeoneWeird> mine
 896 2011-07-30 16:40:05 <SomeoneWeird> s
 897 2011-07-30 16:40:07 <SomeoneWeird> mines
 898 2011-07-30 16:40:08 <SomeoneWeird> goddamit
 899 2011-07-30 16:40:15 <jrmithdobbs> ya that's actually a well connected node on a big pipe
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 901 2011-07-30 16:40:35 <jrmithdobbs>     "connections" : 124,
 902 2011-07-30 16:40:39 <Eliel> that logs does grow quite big if you don't restart bitcoin :)
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 904 2011-07-30 16:41:23 <jrmithdobbs> ya i wish there was a way to tell it to write the debug log to stdout, then i'd just let svlogd take care of it
 905 2011-07-30 16:42:05 <jrmithdobbs> oh wow
 906 2011-07-30 16:42:14 <jrmithdobbs> actually, it wont grow past ~2G
 907 2011-07-30 16:42:45 <jrmithdobbs> that log hasn't been updated since yesterday at ~9PM CST
 908 2011-07-30 16:42:47 <bernie> is this the right channel to discuss namecoin?
 909 2011-07-30 16:42:50 <jrmithdobbs> or, when it actually grew past 2GB
 910 2011-07-30 16:42:53 <jrmithdobbs> bernie: no
 911 2011-07-30 16:42:57 <jrmithdobbs> maybe
 912 2011-07-30 16:43:01 <bernie> ok, found #namecoin-dev
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 914 2011-07-30 16:43:04 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: found a nice bug there ;p
 915 2011-07-30 16:43:17 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: hmm?
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 917 2011-07-30 16:43:25 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: debug.log needs to be opened with O_LARGEFILE or w/e
 918 2011-07-30 16:43:52 <sipa> bleh
 919 2011-07-30 16:44:01 <wumpus> sipa: the address book on disk (and in the core client) is ok, but the UI has a copy in memory, which gets out of sync in some cases.. when restarting the program, it reinitializes the UI which fixes the problem (until it happens again)
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 921 2011-07-30 16:44:30 <sipa> wumpus: ah, i don't get to see any sending address in the address book here
 922 2011-07-30 16:44:37 <sipa> wumpus: even immediately after startup, iirc
 923 2011-07-30 16:44:43 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: i'll throw together a patch, though, fixing that could cause some unexpected failures for people that don't realise that grows indefinitely while bitcoin is running ;p
 924 2011-07-30 16:44:54 <wumpus> ok that might be a different issue then.. you don't see sending addresses at all?
 925 2011-07-30 16:45:08 <sipa> wumpus: only the ones i've actually used
 926 2011-07-30 16:45:13 <sipa> wumpus: let me check again, though
 927 2011-07-30 16:45:16 <wumpus> they don't show up in the receiving tab by any chance? :s
 928 2011-07-30 16:47:56 <wumpus> what is does is take wallet->mapAddressBook and sort it into sending and receiving addresses using wallet->HaveKey
 929 2011-07-30 16:48:11 <wumpus> it never hides any addresses completely, though...
 930 2011-07-30 16:51:27 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: you know if mingw32/windows supports O_LARGEFILE or is there some trickery that'll have to be done here?
 931 2011-07-30 16:52:52 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: no idea, you'll need to search the api specs
 932 2011-07-30 16:53:01 <jrmithdobbs> ya i'm looking just thought i'd ask
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 934 2011-07-30 16:54:15 <wumpus> maybe just do a #ifdef O_LARGEFILE just in case
 935 2011-07-30 16:55:06 <wumpus> it makes sense to disappear or deprecated in the future, I mean who still calls 4gb a large file :-)
 936 2011-07-30 16:55:47 <phantomcircuit> for a log file?
 937 2011-07-30 16:55:49 <phantomcircuit> <---
 938 2011-07-30 16:56:47 <jrmithdobbs> o man, there doesn't look to be a way to use O_LARGEFILE with fopen
 939 2011-07-30 16:57:15 <sipa> isn't that a compilation option?
 940 2011-07-30 16:57:23 <jrmithdobbs> ya i'm digging
 941 2011-07-30 16:57:33 <jrmithdobbs> it's not an issue if bitcoin/bitcoind is built on x86_64
 942 2011-07-30 16:57:40 <jrmithdobbs> but my bitcoind runs on a 32bit host
 943 2011-07-30 16:57:51 <sipa> i see
 944 2011-07-30 16:58:30 <jrmithdobbs> really need autotools
 945 2011-07-30 16:58:31 <jrmithdobbs> ugh
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 947 2011-07-30 17:00:09 <sipa> if you can write an autotools config for bitcoin that supports linux/mingw/osx, please do :)
 948 2011-07-30 17:00:49 <jrmithdobbs> ya i hate setting up autotools and that one that was already submitted is against a source tree so far back it's more work than i have time to do to fix ;p
 949 2011-07-30 17:05:11 <jrmithdobbs> think i found a fix seeing if it works now
 950 2011-07-30 17:05:55 <wumpus> yeah autotools is such a pain to set up
 951 2011-07-30 17:08:44 <luke-jr> you can spend generated coins at confirmations:120, correct? not 121?
 952 2011-07-30 17:09:00 <jrmithdobbs> ya
 953 2011-07-30 17:10:46 <luke-jr> fwiw, lots of Eligius miners report bitcoind/wxbitcoin is silently missing their transactions until they -rescan
 954 2011-07-30 17:10:52 <luke-jr> possibly including sendmanys
 955 2011-07-30 17:11:39 <jrmithdobbs> bitcoind takes forever to stop with 100+ connections, ha
 956 2011-07-30 17:11:59 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: it stops eventually?
 957 2011-07-30 17:12:02 <luke-jr> I usually have to kill -9
 958 2011-07-30 17:12:07 <jrmithdobbs> no you don't
 959 2011-07-30 17:12:11 <jrmithdobbs> you're impatient
 960 2011-07-30 17:12:14 <luke-jr> that too
 961 2011-07-30 17:12:21 <luke-jr> downtime is bad for pool  kthx
 962 2011-07-30 17:12:32 <jrmithdobbs> i wouldn't even kill -9 it. chance of fucking up the bdb files
 963 2011-07-30 17:12:39 <luke-jr> that's why I kill normally first
 964 2011-07-30 17:12:45 <jrmithdobbs> much worse than a few seconds downtime
 965 2011-07-30 17:12:45 <luke-jr> that should close them immediately afaik
 966 2011-07-30 17:12:46 <sipa> luke-jr: that's strange
 967 2011-07-30 17:12:53 <luke-jr> sipa: indeed
 968 2011-07-30 17:13:06 <sipa> especially since -rescan does nothing special anymore
 969 2011-07-30 17:13:21 <sipa> and (should be) invoked automatically
 970 2011-07-30 17:13:21 <luke-jr> sipa: it seems to be more common, if their client was not running at the time
 971 2011-07-30 17:13:37 <luke-jr> [13:07:57] <prg3> Mine is Bitcoin version 0.3.24-beta… Why am I running beta.. that needs to be fixed.
 972 2011-07-30 17:13:39 <luke-jr> there's one version
 973 2011-07-30 17:13:42 <jrmithdobbs> what the hell
 974 2011-07-30 17:14:11 <jrmithdobbs> it truncs debug.log on restart? i swear that fopen call uses "a" as the mode
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 976 2011-07-30 17:14:38 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: no, it truncs debug.log on some length
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 978 2011-07-30 17:14:54 <jrmithdobbs> no it doesn't that's the bug i'm fixing
 979 2011-07-30 17:15:09 <jrmithdobbs> at least, not while running, it might when starting up/initially opening
 980 2011-07-30 17:16:08 <jrmithdobbs> ugh
 981 2011-07-30 17:16:19 <jrmithdobbs> ya, does it on startup with ShrinkDebugFile
 982 2011-07-30 17:16:46 <jrmithdobbs> well this sure is a pain in the ass to test then
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 984 2011-07-30 17:21:13 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: mine seems to truncate occasionally
 985 2011-07-30 17:21:21 <jrmithdobbs> wow, i think the network is listening node starved
 986 2011-07-30 17:21:31 <asuk> there is any project file for bitcoin?
 987 2011-07-30 17:21:32 <jrmithdobbs> i just went from 0 to 111 connections in ~3 minutes on a restart
 988 2011-07-30 17:21:35 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I dump a ton of crap to debug.log (every getwork) and mine is 48 MB right now
 989 2011-07-30 17:21:48 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: tht's nothing
 990 2011-07-30 17:21:59 <luke-jr>     "connections" : 719,
 991 2011-07-30 17:22:20 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: sure you don't have a patch that does it? because i just looked at the code and it's only called from init.cpp
 992 2011-07-30 17:22:29 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: yeah, I'm sure
 993 2011-07-30 17:22:39 <luke-jr> I'm painfully aware of what every patch I use does
 994 2011-07-30 17:22:41 <jrmithdobbs> it truncs on every restart though, essentially
 995 2011-07-30 17:22:58 <jrmithdobbs> reason i'm looking at this is because on 32bit builds debug.log doesn't grow past 2GB
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 997 2011-07-30 17:23:29 <jrmithdobbs> wow, all connection slots filled
 998 2011-07-30 17:23:32 <jrmithdobbs> (default 128)
 999 2011-07-30 17:23:32 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: pushpoold crashes if its log hits 2 GB
1000 2011-07-30 17:23:34 <jrmithdobbs> crazy
1001 2011-07-30 17:23:45 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: O_LARGEFILE ;p
1002 2011-07-30 17:23:53 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: my 719 connections is with super hub mode :P
1003 2011-07-30 17:23:57 <denisx> luke-jr: but only on 32bit?
1004 2011-07-30 17:24:13 <luke-jr> denisx: maybe
1005 2011-07-30 17:24:17 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: this build has *no* connection handling patches and no maxconnections options
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1007 2011-07-30 17:24:23 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: ie, joining all 101 IRC channels and connecting to as many as it can
1008 2011-07-30 17:24:26 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: and i'm maxed on connections right after a restart
1009 2011-07-30 17:24:39 <jrmithdobbs> not a good sign
1010 2011-07-30 17:24:40 <denisx> my pushpool shares.log is even greater than 4gb
1011 2011-07-30 17:25:12 <luke-jr> denisx: I symlinked it to /dev/null
1012 2011-07-30 17:25:16 <luke-jr> pgSQL is good enough :P
1013 2011-07-30 17:25:30 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: why? you can just turn off the flat file in the config?!
1014 2011-07-30 17:25:50 <denisx> luke-jr: how big is your DB? ;)
1015 2011-07-30 17:26:10 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: true, but I'm lazy
1016 2011-07-30 17:26:31 <luke-jr> denisx: 47 GB
1017 2011-07-30 17:27:34 <denisx> lolz
1018 2011-07-30 17:27:44 <denisx> what types are your colums?
1019 2011-07-30 17:27:59 <jrmithdobbs> horrible ones if it's that big in the couple months eligius has been running
1020 2011-07-30 17:28:45 <luke-jr> denisx: 47 GB is the stock pushpool schema
1021 2011-07-30 17:28:52 <luke-jr> denisx: with an index only on id
1022 2011-07-30 17:29:01 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: that's just Eligius-Su
1023 2011-07-30 17:29:15 <luke-jr> denisx: after postprocessing and inserting to the WWW db, it's 44 GB with indexes
1024 2011-07-30 17:29:28 <jrmithdobbs> cool, this fixes it, just created a 2GB debug.log full of zeros with dd and started up a bitcoind that doesn't call the trunc function on init
1025 2011-07-30 17:29:46 <denisx> luke-jr: yes, but what type are your columns? all varchars?
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1028 2011-07-30 17:29:54 <jrmithdobbs> and it's continuing to write to debug.log
1029 2011-07-30 17:30:28 <luke-jr> denisx: no
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1031 2011-07-30 17:31:14 <luke-jr> denisx: bigserial, timestamp without timezone, varchar(128), varchar(128), char(1), char(1), varchar(32), bytea
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1033 2011-07-30 17:31:53 <denisx> I started with varchar, but later I changed to inet, bool and bytea types
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1035 2011-07-30 17:32:43 <luke-jr> www has: smallint, bigint, timestamp, integer, integer, boolean, boolean, varchar(32), bytea, smallint
1036 2011-07-30 17:33:21 <luke-jr> inet?
1037 2011-07-30 17:33:29 <denisx> for ip-adresses
1038 2011-07-30 17:33:34 <luke-jr> http://eligius.st/wiki/index.php/PostgreSQL_Schema
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1040 2011-07-30 17:34:19 <luke-jr> oh, didn't notice that type
1041 2011-07-30 17:34:30 <luke-jr> maybe I should redo my hosts table with it
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1043 2011-07-30 17:35:21 <denisx> yesterday I activated ipv6 for my push pool and the DB simply took it! ;)
1044 2011-07-30 17:35:51 <luke-jr> since I refer to hosts by id, the savings from inet wouldn't be much :P
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1048 2011-07-30 17:40:15 <denisx> luke-jr: "ALTER TABLE hosts ALTER COLUMN host SET DATA TYPE inet USING inet(host);"
1049 2011-07-30 17:40:22 <denisx> luke-jr: this would do it
1050 2011-07-30 17:40:49 <SomeoneWeird> denisx; oh, really? i was using 'drop table hosts;' < it should work for you
1051 2011-07-30 17:40:50 <SomeoneWeird> :p
1052 2011-07-30 17:40:56 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: oh didn't think about this until i was writing the pull request
1053 2011-07-30 17:41:09 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: but right now the blockchain can't grow past 2GB on 32bit builds either
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1055 2011-07-30 17:42:07 <jrmithdobbs> sipa / jgarzik / BlueMatt: pull 438
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1057 2011-07-30 17:43:29 <luke-jr> [13:31:15] <luke-jr> since I refer to hosts by id, the savings from inet wouldn't be much :P
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1059 2011-07-30 17:43:55 <denisx> luke-jr: yeah, but also "luke-jr: maybe I should redo my hosts table with it"
1060 2011-07-30 17:44:07 <denisx> ;)
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1062 2011-07-30 17:44:32 <denisx> a type change on your big shares table is impossible anyway
1063 2011-07-30 17:45:44 <luke-jr> denisx: I don't see any change needed there
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1065 2011-07-30 17:48:07 <sipa> jrmithdobbs: the blockchain is stored in 1GB files
1066 2011-07-30 17:48:14 <sipa> s/stored/split/
1067 2011-07-30 17:48:16 <jrmithdobbs> ah ok
1068 2011-07-30 17:48:39 <denisx> locationchange...
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1070 2011-07-30 17:49:38 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: think i'm going to put in a pull to optionally turn off the truncation of debug log on init and ability to specify the debug.log file name/location
1071 2011-07-30 17:50:20 <jrmithdobbs> cause it'd really be handy to be able to point that at stdout and use daemontools/runit logging utils to handle the rotation
1072 2011-07-30 17:52:19 <lfm> um cant you use tail -f?
1073 2011-07-30 17:52:36 <jrmithdobbs> huh?
1074 2011-07-30 17:52:47 <lfm> to point it at stdout use tail -f
1075 2011-07-30 17:53:04 <sipa> lfm: that's something completely different
1076 2011-07-30 17:53:10 <jrmithdobbs> that doesn't help keeping the debug.log from becoming a huge file on disk
1077 2011-07-30 17:53:26 <sipa> jrmithdobbs wants bitcoin to output to its own stdout, and control the loggin to file himself
1078 2011-07-30 17:53:30 <jrmithdobbs> not to mention using daemontools/runit would automagically add timestamps
1079 2011-07-30 17:53:32 <lfm> ya, just one of your points
1080 2011-07-30 17:53:40 <jrmithdobbs> no not one of my points at all
1081 2011-07-30 17:53:55 <sipa> lfm: with 'stdout' he does not mean 'the terminal i'm looking at'
1082 2011-07-30 17:54:11 <lfm> ya you can redirect tail -f
1083 2011-07-30 17:54:20 <jrmithdobbs> you're not understanding the issue ;p
1084 2011-07-30 17:54:25 <sipa> yes, but that will still create the file
1085 2011-07-30 17:54:31 <sipa> he does not want bitcoin to create a file
1086 2011-07-30 17:54:31 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: i want to specify teh file debug.log writes to
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1088 2011-07-30 17:54:45 <lfm> oh ok
1089 2011-07-30 17:54:53 <jrmithdobbs> eg, -debugfile /var/log/bitcoin.debug.log
1090 2011-07-30 17:55:06 <jrmithdobbs> or, what I'm wanting to do, -debugfile /dev/stdout
1091 2011-07-30 17:55:09 <lfm> you need root for that
1092 2011-07-30 17:55:10 <IO-> jrmithdobbs: can you just make a sym link called debug.log to whereever you want?
1093 2011-07-30 17:55:29 <lfm> for /var/log
1094 2011-07-30 17:55:30 <sipa> lfm: or a special 'bitcoind' user, which owns that log file
1095 2011-07-30 17:55:37 <sipa> or -debugsyslog
1096 2011-07-30 17:55:52 <jrmithdobbs> i hate syslog ;p
1097 2011-07-30 17:56:02 <jrmithdobbs> but ya, that would be a handy option
1098 2011-07-30 17:56:32 <lfm> youd have to own the directory
1099 2011-07-30 17:56:41 <lfm> well maybe not
1100 2011-07-30 17:56:43 <jrmithdobbs> just, there's quite a bit of changes that'd have to be made to make that work since several of the debug.log lines are waaaay too long for syslog
1101 2011-07-30 17:57:07 <lfm> have root create an empty log file like when you rotate it then chown it I spoze
1102 2011-07-30 17:57:27 <sipa> lfm: that's supposed what would happen when you install a distro-provided bitcoind
1103 2011-07-30 17:57:59 <lfm> ya I just generally prefer to run it as my login user
1104 2011-07-30 17:58:34 <lfm> seem like thats how it designed
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1106 2011-07-30 17:59:04 <jrmithdobbs> only because it wasn't designed by someone with unix-services-best-practices in mind
1107 2011-07-30 17:59:07 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
1108 2011-07-30 17:59:26 <lfm> wel ya it was designed to be protable
1109 2011-07-30 17:59:41 <sipa> it was designed to be a wallet-managing client
1110 2011-07-30 17:59:48 <jrmithdobbs> ya
1111 2011-07-30 17:59:52 <jrmithdobbs> bitcoind is just a hack really
1112 2011-07-30 17:59:59 <jrmithdobbs> getting better
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1117 2011-07-30 18:05:05 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: not just bitcoind, but the entire system :P
1118 2011-07-30 18:05:17 <sipa> much of it, indeed
1119 2011-07-30 18:05:20 <luke-jr> IIRC, the blocks have mixed-endian crpa
1120 2011-07-30 18:05:32 <jrmithdobbs> well
1121 2011-07-30 18:05:37 <jrmithdobbs> after digging at a lot of that code
1122 2011-07-30 18:05:51 <jrmithdobbs> half the problem with all the endian confusion is the comments about it are just plain wrong in several places
1123 2011-07-30 18:05:54 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
1124 2011-07-30 18:08:13 <jrmithdobbs> oh jesus, that's awesome
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1126 2011-07-30 18:08:35 <lfm> wrong endian is awdome?
1127 2011-07-30 18:08:54 <lfm> d_>s
1128 2011-07-30 18:08:59 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: fixing that breaks GetFilesize (and hence ShrinkDebugFile) because it assumes int is big enough to store the size
1129 2011-07-30 18:09:07 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: and isn't using unsigned values, lol
1130 2011-07-30 18:09:28 <sipa> well, fseek uses long for file sizes
1131 2011-07-30 18:09:48 <jrmithdobbs> turning on those values make it long long
1132 2011-07-30 18:09:51 <lfm> so it works ok on 64 bit systems?
1133 2011-07-30 18:09:59 <lfm> and fails on 32
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1135 2011-07-30 18:10:31 <jrmithdobbs> but ya, GetFilesize should be using long not int
1136 2011-07-30 18:10:50 <lfm> no int is always 32 bits so it was always wrong if file was more then 2gb
1137 2011-07-30 18:11:09 <sipa> on DOS, int was 16-bit, no?
1138 2011-07-30 18:11:15 <jrmithdobbs> ya, if it ever grows past 2GB on a 64bit system it wont ever trunc even without my change
1139 2011-07-30 18:11:19 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: yes
1140 2011-07-30 18:11:23 <sipa> and long 32 bit
1141 2011-07-30 18:11:31 <jrmithdobbs> and on some 64bit systems int is 64bit
1142 2011-07-30 18:11:36 <lfm> sipa ya but bitcoin doesnt worry about dos thank goodness
1143 2011-07-30 18:11:48 <jrmithdobbs> (windows, most notably)
1144 2011-07-30 18:11:52 <sipa> indeed
1145 2011-07-30 18:12:02 <sipa> isn't there some offset_t
1146 2011-07-30 18:12:07 <sipa> or something like that?
1147 2011-07-30 18:12:22 <lfm> orly 64bit mswin makes int 64 bits! Never knew that
1148 2011-07-30 18:12:53 <lfm> ya offset type is for seek a ftell
1149 2011-07-30 18:13:02 <lfm> and ftell
1150 2011-07-30 18:13:08 <jrmithdobbs> anyways, updating that patch to fix that too
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1152 2011-07-30 18:13:28 <jrmithdobbs> that's actually pretty nasty
1153 2011-07-30 18:14:14 <lfm> then the "large files option" for 32 bit linux yuk!
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1155 2011-07-30 18:17:24 <jrmithdobbs> actually that trunc code is just broken period
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1198 2011-07-30 19:02:34 <riush> sipa, may i ask what is the status with the showwallet branch? i'm still having this address bug.. is there a problem with fixing that or did you just not get around to it yet?
1199 2011-07-30 19:03:01 <sipa> 'address bug' ?
1200 2011-07-30 19:03:33 <riush> it shows "To:" in the gui and "1Wh4bh" in rpc
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1202 2011-07-30 19:03:58 <sipa> oh, i didn't look at that yet
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1204 2011-07-30 19:10:04 <lfm> its a base58 encodeing of a single bytes of zeros
1205 2011-07-30 19:12:33 <riush> ah ok.. well, the fix suggested on the mailing list seemingly fixes it, but i don't understand whats going on exactly and if it would be alright then
1206 2011-07-30 19:12:45 <sipa> riush: sorry, i've been busy lately, you have any more elaborate description of the problem?
1207 2011-07-30 19:13:40 <riush> sipa, not really, sorry.. just that it displays this 'null' address for all sent transactions..
1208 2011-07-30 19:13:54 <sipa> ow wait
1209 2011-07-30 19:14:03 <lfm> somethink like the length of the signature is set to sero instaead of the regulare 20 bytes
1210 2011-07-30 19:14:09 <sipa> that was a bug in cbitcoinaddress, that's already merged in mainline
1211 2011-07-30 19:14:12 <sipa> and fixed
1212 2011-07-30 19:14:19 <sipa> let me rebase showwallet for you
1213 2011-07-30 19:14:41 <riush> oh, thats great. thank you :)
1214 2011-07-30 19:14:56 <sipa> though it doesn't explain an address like "1Wh4bh"
1215 2011-07-30 19:15:31 <riush> isn't that what lfm meant?
1216 2011-07-30 19:16:06 <lfm> i am just interpreting the symptoms your describing. I dont have any idea of the cause.
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1227 2011-07-30 19:39:19 <sipa> riush: ok, rebased
1228 2011-07-30 19:39:49 <sipa> could you test again?
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1230 2011-07-30 19:40:01 <riush> thanks. i'm on it :)
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1234 2011-07-30 19:43:36 <riush> hm, the transaction list is fine again.. but removeprivkey errors "GetAllReserveKeyHashes() : unknown key in key pool"
1235 2011-07-30 19:44:55 <sipa> uh oh
1236 2011-07-30 19:45:23 <sipa> no shortened addresses?
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1238 2011-07-30 19:46:34 <riush> shortened addresses? if you mean in listtransactions output, that is fine now
1239 2011-07-30 19:47:07 <riush> after failing to remove it i also can't dump it anymore: "Private key for address mhRB3y7phkmY47aR6N3TXxd9iJrFgLGv4r is not known"
1240 2011-07-30 19:47:18 <sipa> ok
1241 2011-07-30 19:53:29 <riush> oh, i just checked and it failed the same way before, so the problem has nothing to do with the recent fix/rebase
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1244 2011-07-30 19:56:05 <BlueMatt> what, exactly, was the intended point of the point of the subscription system/the publish/pub-cancel network messages
1245 2011-07-30 19:56:50 <BlueMatt> (last 3 functions in net.h, not ever called)
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1247 2011-07-30 20:01:34 <riush> strange... i thought i had tested that :/
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1255 2011-07-30 20:14:15 <Myth_age> ;;bc,stats
1256 2011-07-30 20:14:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 138844 | Current Difficulty: 1690895.8030524 | Next Difficulty At Block: 139103 | Next Difficulty In: 259 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 13 hours, 33 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1871130.25741563
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1270 2011-07-30 20:39:49 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr combo * r5813ac..f3ca93 poclbm-personal/ (5 files): (5 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3kqqyk5
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1283 2011-07-30 21:09:49 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr combo * r75efca..0c774b poclbm-personal/ (5 files): (5 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3kqqyk5
1284 2011-07-30 21:10:47 <BlueMatt> is someone set up to check that my check for duplicate txin patch works: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/e9111b5283474c011f28b0293e775a1a33c0df4e
1285 2011-07-30 21:10:59 * BlueMatt doesnt feel like going through the motions to check it
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1289 2011-07-30 21:14:36 <jrmithdobbs> are there currently any args that have a default value set? i'm trying to figure out where to put the definition
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1291 2011-07-30 21:15:53 <BlueMatt> many do, grep for GetArg
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1294 2011-07-30 21:22:28 <jrmithdobbs> oh nifty. there's already an undocumented (doesn't show up in -?) option -printtoconsole
1295 2011-07-30 21:22:57 <BlueMatt> yea, theres a ton of undocumented flags...
1296 2011-07-30 21:23:00 <BlueMatt> that needs cleaned up
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1298 2011-07-30 21:26:37 <imsaguy> Cleanup, aisle 2
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1300 2011-07-30 21:27:50 <jrmithdobbs> man, the debug.log code is pretty hairy
1301 2011-07-30 21:28:01 <jrmithdobbs> it actually doesn't open it until first time you print to it
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1306 2011-07-30 21:28:50 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: any idea what pull number that cleanup you referenced was?
1307 2011-07-30 21:30:27 <jrmithdobbs> nm found it
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1310 2011-07-30 21:31:33 <jrmithdobbs> oh, that is a nice patch
1311 2011-07-30 21:31:36 <jrmithdobbs> but doesn't fix this issue anyways
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1314 2011-07-30 21:32:08 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: found that pull you mentioned
1315 2011-07-30 21:32:14 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: but it actually doesn't fix the >2GB problem
1316 2011-07-30 21:32:33 <BlueMatt> oh, I didnt think it did
1317 2011-07-30 21:32:44 <BlueMatt> I was just commenting that it redid a ton of logging stuff which is related to this topic
1318 2011-07-30 21:32:55 <jrmithdobbs> it's a nifty patch
1319 2011-07-30 21:32:57 <jrmithdobbs> but quite stale
1320 2011-07-30 21:33:05 <jrmithdobbs> something like that definitely needs to make it in though
1321 2011-07-30 21:33:09 <BlueMatt> yea, shame it didnt get pulled
1322 2011-07-30 21:33:12 <jrmithdobbs> it's basically required if syslog support is ever wanted
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1324 2011-07-30 21:34:12 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: oddly, that patch doesn't add a log file specification either, lol, you'd think that'd be part of it
1325 2011-07-30 21:34:12 <BlueMatt> well, first cleanup the code into neat modules, then cleanup the util functions, then all that stuff comes
1326 2011-07-30 21:34:37 <BlueMatt> its just too low on the priorities list, and theres other stuff that needs done :*
1327 2011-07-30 21:34:46 <BlueMatt> s/:*/:(/
1328 2011-07-30 21:34:53 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: ya, i'm just going to add this specific fix right now since this is actually a bug that makes logging stop all together ;p
1329 2011-07-30 21:34:58 <BlueMatt> I guess that needed a \
1330 2011-07-30 21:35:03 <jrmithdobbs> that bit me earlier, like i said ;p
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1332 2011-07-30 21:35:10 <BlueMatt> fair enough
1333 2011-07-30 21:38:58 <dinox> ;;gpg auth dinox
1334 2011-07-30 21:38:59 <gribble> Request successful for user dinox, hostmask dinox!~nil@c83-254-147-51.bredband.comhem.se. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:542e1ee3d7ad5b41ec131d61c0a7a0b51143d43fe08af67e25240cbb
1335 2011-07-30 21:39:09 <jrmithdobbs> wrong chan
1336 2011-07-30 21:39:37 <jrmithdobbs> holy crap
1337 2011-07-30 21:39:52 <jrmithdobbs> there's an undocumented arg for print to stdout AND one to add timestamps
1338 2011-07-30 21:39:55 <jrmithdobbs> lol
1339 2011-07-30 21:40:07 <jrmithdobbs> i'll add those to the -? output as part of this
1340 2011-07-30 21:40:35 <sipa> i once started mnaking a list of all undocumented options
1341 2011-07-30 21:40:50 <jrmithdobbs> because i know several people have asked for both of those
1342 2011-07-30 21:40:54 <jrmithdobbs> haha
1343 2011-07-30 21:43:58 <cjdelisle> whenever someone finds one they should at least dump it on a wiki page or something, even if you don't have time to add it to -? or don't understand what it does, just hinting that it's there is a big help IMO.
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1345 2011-07-30 21:44:42 <jrmithdobbs> ok, in the interest of just getting this minor bug fixed I'm not going to add the -debugfile option right now, it's a little harder because debug prints happen in a couple places before args actually fully parsed it looks like (ugh)
1346 2011-07-30 21:45:27 <jrmithdobbs> i'm going to leave it hardcoded where it is and just change how GetFilesize works since ShrinkDebugFile is the only current caller
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1351 2011-07-30 21:59:26 <sipa> riush: which rpc calls did you do to get that "unknown key in key pool" error?
1352 2011-07-30 22:04:03 <imsaguy> true
1353 2011-07-30 22:04:31 <lfm> 2 == 2
1354 2011-07-30 22:05:57 <jrmithdobbs> ok, fixed to where it will both log past 2GB and know to trunc a >2GB debug.log on 32bit systems ... it actually wouldn't have trunced a >2GB debug.log on 64bit non-windows systems either since it was using fseek with a long return value (incorrectly typed as int in the source, even) which would overflow, lol
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1356 2011-07-30 22:09:43 <riush> sipa, removeprivkey
1357 2011-07-30 22:10:21 <riush> getnewaddress, dumpprivkey, removeprivkey to be precise
1358 2011-07-30 22:12:40 <riush> sipa, oh.. just tested with a fresh wallet and everything works there
1359 2011-07-30 22:13:28 <riush> ah! it doesn't work with encrypted wallet
1360 2011-07-30 22:13:34 <lfm> is your wallet corrupted?
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1362 2011-07-30 22:14:00 <riush> thats what i thought, but just created a new one, it worked, encrypted it and it stopped working
1363 2011-07-30 22:18:23 <riush> is there a way to un-encrypt a wallet?
1364 2011-07-30 22:19:46 <sipa> no
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1366 2011-07-30 22:20:20 <sipa> restore from backup :p
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1368 2011-07-30 22:20:59 <riush> hehe
1369 2011-07-30 22:21:07 <riush> sipa, can you reproduce the error now?
1370 2011-07-30 22:21:32 <BlueMatt> wait is this an encryption bug, or are you testing the import/export stuff?
1371 2011-07-30 22:21:49 <riush> i'm testing the import/export stuff
1372 2011-07-30 22:21:55 <jrmithdobbs> sipa / BlueMatt / jgarzik: pull 439
1373 2011-07-30 22:22:03 <riush> it works with unencrypted wallet but doesn't with encrypted
1374 2011-07-30 22:22:51 <sipa> riush: i'll test it tomorrow
1375 2011-07-30 22:23:06 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: could you test adding those changes to the mingw makefile and see if it works? to test writing past 2GB you'll need to comment out the call to ShrinkDebugFile() in init.cpp with a 2GB debug.log already in place and then uncomment again to make sure it truncs it properly
1376 2011-07-30 22:23:21 <riush> okay. thanks again so far sipa! :)
1377 2011-07-30 22:23:37 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: i put the glue for stat() into the commits for win32 but don't have access to anything to test on. ;p
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1384 2011-07-30 22:29:12 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: cant you set up gitian? it takes like 5 minutes
1385 2011-07-30 22:29:22 <BlueMatt> (though it does require ubuntu)
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1389 2011-07-30 22:36:56 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: nope, i don't have (or want) a ubuntu install either
1390 2011-07-30 22:37:37 <BlueMatt> arg, alright Ill check it soon
1391 2011-07-30 22:37:47 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: and doesn't gitian still require a windows install somewhere? i don't have licenses.
1392 2011-07-30 22:37:51 <BlueMatt> no
1393 2011-07-30 22:37:54 <BlueMatt> no it doesnt
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1397 2011-07-30 22:42:47 <jrmithdobbs> i think we've got a major issue with not enough listening nodes on the network
1398 2011-07-30 22:42:57 <BlueMatt> no shit sherlock
1399 2011-07-30 22:43:09 <jrmithdobbs> every time i've restarted my bitcoind it's filled up to >120 connections in <5 minutes
1400 2011-07-30 22:43:12 <jrmithdobbs> all day
1401 2011-07-30 22:43:22 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: no i mean it's getting noticably worse
1402 2011-07-30 22:44:19 <imsaguy> I've got 52 atm
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1404 2011-07-30 22:44:36 <BlueMatt> not sure about worse, but its not getting better
1405 2011-07-30 22:44:49 <phantomcircuit> it's getting worse
1406 2011-07-30 22:44:51 <jrmithdobbs> i've never had inbound connections jump that quickly
1407 2011-07-30 22:45:00 <BlueMatt> I get that kind of jump all the time
1408 2011-07-30 22:45:17 <jrmithdobbs> and from what i can tell, the few missing slots <128 are outbound connection slots
1409 2011-07-30 22:46:27 <BlueMatt> hmmm...yea it looks like its getting "worse" but only because people are upgrading to 0.3.24, which holds connections better
1410 2011-07-30 22:46:37 <BlueMatt> (because it doesnt randomly drop connections)
1411 2011-07-30 22:47:06 <jrmithdobbs> ya i'm going to bump my maxconnections to help out, but i'm not patched to be in multiple irc channels or anything
1412 2011-07-30 22:47:20 <BlueMatt> well .24 will pull from dnsseed first anyway
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1415 2011-07-30 22:53:08 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
1416 2011-07-30 22:53:09 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":13.63,"low":13.45,"avg":13.520906565,"vwap":13.530848841,"vol":5042,"last":13.5412,"buy":13.56,"sell":13.58}}
1417 2011-07-30 22:56:12 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,blocks
1418 2011-07-30 22:56:12 <gribble> 138854
1419 2011-07-30 22:57:51 <denisx> hmm, I started a patched bitcoind in hub=4 mode, but it still has only 100 connections
1420 2011-07-30 22:58:06 <BlueMatt> DONT EVER USE HUB MODE
1421 2011-07-30 22:58:14 <BlueMatt> what dont people get about that
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1423 2011-07-30 22:59:20 <denisx> BlueMatt: Iam not interested in outgoing connections
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1425 2011-07-30 22:59:40 <BlueMatt> then why the hell are you running hub mode?
1426 2011-07-30 22:59:55 <BlueMatt> that is exactly what hub mode does
1427 2011-07-30 23:00:10 <denisx> no, outgoing is limited to 32
1428 2011-07-30 23:00:20 <denisx> unless the I understand the source wrong
1429 2011-07-30 23:00:22 <BlueMatt> which is way, way too high
1430 2011-07-30 23:00:30 <BlueMatt> thats a complete waste
1431 2011-07-30 23:00:43 <BlueMatt> and adding an excessive stress to the network which is already not working well
1432 2011-07-30 23:00:58 <BlueMatt> seriously, just set maxconnections like a sane person
1433 2011-07-30 23:01:03 <denisx> ok
1434 2011-07-30 23:01:36 <erus`> http://vimeo.com/27003856
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1436 2011-07-30 23:04:05 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: what's wrong with hub mode?
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1438 2011-07-30 23:04:27 <jrmithdobbs> other than people like him running it not understanding what it's for
1439 2011-07-30 23:04:29 <jrmithdobbs> i mean
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1441 2011-07-30 23:04:45 <BlueMatt> the people who have a valid reason to use it is like...1 person
1442 2011-07-30 23:04:50 <BlueMatt> for them, nothing is wrong with it
1443 2011-07-30 23:05:02 <BlueMatt> for everyone else, DONT FUCKING RUN IN HUB MODE
1444 2011-07-30 23:05:32 <jrmithdobbs> didn't that get put together specifically to help with the connection issues on the network?
1445 2011-07-30 23:05:41 <JFK911> i just blocked the bitcoin port
1446 2011-07-30 23:05:51 <JFK911> for incoming connections
1447 2011-07-30 23:06:11 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: very indirectly, yes
1448 2011-07-30 23:06:21 <jrmithdobbs> i mean, obviously, never run it off a shit connection or you're in for pain
1449 2011-07-30 23:06:34 <BlueMatt> no, never run it unless you KNOW WHAT ITS FOR
1450 2011-07-30 23:06:58 <BlueMatt> pretty much, never run it unless you are seeing a ton of <0.3.24 connections and are mining
1451 2011-07-30 23:07:39 <cjdelisle> btc net depends on having a loosely meshed network?
1452 2011-07-30 23:08:00 <BlueMatt> no
1453 2011-07-30 23:08:02 <cjdelisle> of you risk exhausting all of other clients' connection slots?
1454 2011-07-30 23:08:09 <BlueMatt> btc depends on a strong network where everyone can get connections
1455 2011-07-30 23:08:21 <BlueMatt> currently, we dont really have that
1456 2011-07-30 23:08:48 <BlueMatt> so everyone needs to try to limit their outbound connections and map their port
1457 2011-07-30 23:09:09 <imsaguy> how does a person know in the client if they have outbound vs inboud connections?
1458 2011-07-30 23:09:16 <imsaguy> without looking in the os or firewall?
1459 2011-07-30 23:09:20 <BlueMatt> first 8 is inbound
1460 2011-07-30 23:09:27 <BlueMatt> pretty much
1461 2011-07-30 23:09:28 <cjdelisle> ahh too many nats, makes enough sense
1462 2011-07-30 23:09:39 <cjdelisle> *cough*UDP
1463 2011-07-30 23:09:48 <imsaguy> BlueMatt, maybe change the display to show incoming vs outgoing?
1464 2011-07-30 23:09:54 <imsaguy> raise awareness to it
1465 2011-07-30 23:10:24 <BlueMatt> meh, showing a "no incoming connections" warning might be nice
1466 2011-07-30 23:10:29 <imsaguy> yeah
1467 2011-07-30 23:10:34 <BlueMatt> cjdelisle: not a solution...
1468 2011-07-30 23:10:36 <imsaguy> then the little geeklets will map as they should
1469 2011-07-30 23:10:51 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, UDP + STUN really is a solution
1470 2011-07-30 23:10:57 <BlueMatt> upnp is on by default now...
1471 2011-07-30 23:11:00 <phantomcircuit> i dont see why people keep denying that it is
1472 2011-07-30 23:11:37 <BlueMatt> well firstly, a udp switch (ignoring stun) is stupid
1473 2011-07-30 23:12:23 <cjdelisle> There are people who faced each and every one of these problems, they're in #bittorrent.
1474 2011-07-30 23:12:57 <BlueMatt> and really, switching protocol is just such a huge effort and timesuck
1475 2011-07-30 23:13:03 <BlueMatt> and it kills the network we currently have
1476 2011-07-30 23:13:07 <denisx> didn't solve bittorrent that like ten years ago with optimastic unchoking
1477 2011-07-30 23:13:09 <cjdelisle> /nod
1478 2011-07-30 23:13:16 <BlueMatt> cjdelisle: gtk-gnutella does it a different way
1479 2011-07-30 23:13:21 <BlueMatt> that is probably better for us
1480 2011-07-30 23:13:33 <cjdelisle> isn't gnutella all udp though?
1481 2011-07-30 23:13:49 <phantomcircuit> yes it is
1482 2011-07-30 23:13:50 <BlueMatt> but its not using stun, it does the supernode/subnode distinction
1483 2011-07-30 23:13:59 <phantomcircuit> gnutella is HTTP/UDP
1484 2011-07-30 23:13:59 <BlueMatt> actually, it can use stun
1485 2011-07-30 23:14:27 <BlueMatt> in any case, a supernode/subnode distinction makes more sense here as there are other things that we are going to do (hopefully soon)
1486 2011-07-30 23:14:39 <BlueMatt> like not storing the blockchain
1487 2011-07-30 23:15:03 <imsaguy> that'll help with your bitcoinj peeps
1488 2011-07-30 23:15:41 <BlueMatt> no, that means we are doing the same thing as bitcoinj
1489 2011-07-30 23:17:04 <imsaguy> except
1490 2011-07-30 23:17:09 <imsaguy> the whole supernode thing
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1492 2011-07-30 23:20:35 <cjdelisle> uTP, is a TCP like interface stacked on top of UDP so you get reliable transport (which should be reasonable to patch in to the existing protocol) and NAT penetration.  I'm just talking out my ass since I've not really spent time mucking through the code.
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1494 2011-07-30 23:21:07 <BlueMatt> no way in hell should we implement a protocol stack in bitcoin
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1496 2011-07-30 23:21:28 <imsaguy> lol
1497 2011-07-30 23:21:43 <cjdelisle> I agree but that's a far cry from adding #include <utp.h>
1498 2011-07-30 23:21:50 <BlueMatt> no way in hell will jgarzk let that happen, either
1499 2011-07-30 23:22:09 <BlueMatt> also, ipv6
1500 2011-07-30 23:22:24 vragnaroda is now known as Esso
1501 2011-07-30 23:22:43 <Eliel> umm... implement? utp looks like a readymade thing to me.
1502 2011-07-30 23:23:01 <BlueMatt> well we would be adding our own protocol stack
1503 2011-07-30 23:23:10 <BlueMatt> which is just ridiculously redundant
1504 2011-07-30 23:23:25 <BlueMatt> we be implementing tcp on top of udp...
1505 2011-07-30 23:23:25 Esso is now known as vragnaroda
1506 2011-07-30 23:24:59 <cjdelisle> Yea uTP library is already finished. IDK if it's right for btc, you seem to think no, I do know that it is very high performance, everythign in bt is.
1507 2011-07-30 23:25:15 <BlueMatt> funny
1508 2011-07-30 23:25:35 <BlueMatt> though its no different in performance than tcp...except you cant offload as much to the kernel/hardware
1509 2011-07-30 23:25:48 <phantomcircuit> actually there is...
1510 2011-07-30 23:26:19 <phantomcircuit> uTP doesn't have the sawtooth shape at the top of the bandwidth graph
1511 2011-07-30 23:26:23 <cjdelisle> Yea, it would never really matter to btc but when your stuff if limited out, it prevents buffer bloat.
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1513 2011-07-30 23:26:39 <phantomcircuit> but more importantly it responds to network latency instead of waiting for real congestion
1514 2011-07-30 23:27:11 <BlueMatt> thats a problem with tcp implementations, not tcp spec
1515 2011-07-30 23:27:25 <BlueMatt> also, we shouldnt be trying to eat people's bw like bittorrent does
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1517 2011-07-30 23:27:37 <BlueMatt> net perf for bitcoin really isnt a huge problem
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1519 2011-07-30 23:27:51 <BlueMatt> (after initial dl, which is limited by cpu/disk currently anyway)
1520 2011-07-30 23:27:55 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: bumped to maxconnections=256 and it jumped up to 170+ already, wow, it's pretty bad
1521 2011-07-30 23:27:56 <cjdelisle> No, it does clock syncing and lag checking, tcp spec doesn't allow for that.
1522 2011-07-30 23:28:05 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: yes, yes it is
1523 2011-07-30 23:28:38 <jrmithdobbs> over 200
1524 2011-07-30 23:28:58 <BlueMatt> tbqh, I think a large part of those are not real nodes...
1525 2011-07-30 23:29:09 <jrmithdobbs> you think?
1526 2011-07-30 23:29:15 <Eliel> what are they then?
1527 2011-07-30 23:29:23 <jrmithdobbs> bad attempt at dos?
1528 2011-07-30 23:29:29 <cjdelisle> heh
1529 2011-07-30 23:29:35 <imsaguy> zombies
1530 2011-07-30 23:29:52 <BlueMatt> yea, someone was saying it was a time shifting attack
1531 2011-07-30 23:29:52 <Eliel> the timejack thing? is it still going on?
1532 2011-07-30 23:30:05 <BlueMatt> I would think so...but maybe Im pulling this out of my ass
1533 2011-07-30 23:30:08 <imsaguy> how's that work?
1534 2011-07-30 23:30:09 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: whats your ip?
1535 2011-07-30 23:30:10 <imsaguy> link?
1536 2011-07-30 23:30:26 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: /msg
1537 2011-07-30 23:31:00 <BlueMatt> well, you arent on the dnsseed...
1538 2011-07-30 23:31:23 <jrmithdobbs> it's been down for the last 30 minutes while i was sorting things out to run it in daemontools with auto-log-rotation
1539 2011-07-30 23:31:29 <BlueMatt> cjdelisle: well everything I read about uTP says it has even worse overhead than tcp...which is all we care about in terms of picking a protocol
1540 2011-07-30 23:31:32 <jrmithdobbs> and moving the datadir to another fs
1541 2011-07-30 23:31:49 <BlueMatt> well I was thinking you got caught at the wrong time and ended up in dnsseed, hence the large connection count
1542 2011-07-30 23:31:59 <cjdelisle> BlueMatt: ok, I thought nats were a problem and udp can penetrate them.
1543 2011-07-30 23:32:03 <BlueMatt> cjdelisle: for bitcoin, we dont care much about high perf on high-bw links
1544 2011-07-30 23:32:05 <jrmithdobbs> inbound connections filled
1545 2011-07-30 23:32:07 <jrmithdobbs> wow
1546 2011-07-30 23:32:15 <BlueMatt> we care about max perf on low-bw links ie cell phones, etc
1547 2011-07-30 23:32:27 <BlueMatt> cjdelisle: now that we do care about...
1548 2011-07-30 23:32:28 <jrmithdobbs> 255/256 slots in use
1549 2011-07-30 23:32:42 <cjdelisle> hmm, that's harder
1550 2011-07-30 23:33:16 <jrmithdobbs> all slots filled now, wow, 256 connections in 10 min
1551 2011-07-30 23:33:17 <jrmithdobbs> crazy
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1553 2011-07-30 23:33:28 <cjdelisle> if you really need preformance on low b/w devices... protocol stack D:
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1555 2011-07-30 23:34:08 <BlueMatt> also, you could do stun on tcp...but its a bit trickier
1556 2011-07-30 23:34:18 <BlueMatt> and would probably mean bypassing kernel networking which wouldnt fly
1557 2011-07-30 23:35:27 <cjdelisle> there's literature in punching nats with tcp but it's a crapshoot, it picks a different port number to map per connection and sometimes you can guess the sequence, sometimes you can't.
1558 2011-07-30 23:35:53 <BlueMatt> well if you have out-of-band communication ie a stun-like server, you can communicate that info
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1560 2011-07-30 23:36:18 <BlueMatt> the only problem is when the router remaps ports
1561 2011-07-30 23:36:35 <cjdelisle> yup, connect to Alice, connect to Bob, compare port mapping, guess what port will be used when you connect to Charlie...
1562 2011-07-30 23:36:38 <BlueMatt> I know more commercial gateways and higher-end ones do, but consumer routers...no
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1564 2011-07-30 23:37:07 <BlueMatt> thats why I said we'd have to bypass kernel networking, wed have to pick our own seq numbers and local ports
1565 2011-07-30 23:37:11 <BlueMatt> ie it wouldnt fly
1566 2011-07-30 23:37:17 <cjdelisle> /nod
1567 2011-07-30 23:37:28 <cjdelisle> consumer crap will remap if the port is used at the time so it's still a big '?'
1568 2011-07-30 23:37:48 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: if it's a botnet trying a tim shifting attack it's very well distributed
1569 2011-07-30 23:37:51 <BlueMatt> thats true, but that would be very rare unless you have a shitton of people
1570 2011-07-30 23:38:11 <cjdelisle> hmm probably true
1571 2011-07-30 23:38:11 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: ah, well I was just pulling that out of my ass based on what others had been saying a couple days ago
1572 2011-07-30 23:38:15 <BlueMatt> but I could be wrong
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1574 2011-07-30 23:38:32 <jrmithdobbs> actually, no, no it's not
1575 2011-07-30 23:39:11 <jrmithdobbs> 256 connections, only 62 unique class As
1576 2011-07-30 23:39:25 <BlueMatt> thats normal internet distribution...sadly
1577 2011-07-30 23:39:51 <jrmithdobbs> hmm, ya, 216 unique class bs
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1579 2011-07-30 23:39:54 <BlueMatt> http://www.caida.org/research/traffic-analysis/arin-heatmaps/
1580 2011-07-30 23:39:55 <jrmithdobbs> ya i think these are real nodes
1581 2011-07-30 23:40:12 <BlueMatt> most real-world net traffic is in a couple /8s
1582 2011-07-30 23:40:20 <BlueMatt> s/couple/handful of/
1583 2011-07-30 23:40:50 <jrmithdobbs> ya i think we're connection limit starved
1584 2011-07-30 23:41:13 <BlueMatt> well thats the other possibility, I was just hoping there was a way to solve it :)
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1586 2011-07-30 23:41:25 <jrmithdobbs> lets see what happens if i bump it to 512
1587 2011-07-30 23:41:35 <BlueMatt> hint: itl max out
1588 2011-07-30 23:41:43 <jrmithdobbs> probably
1589 2011-07-30 23:41:48 <denisx> I allowed 300 and I have 145 now
1590 2011-07-30 23:41:51 <jrmithdobbs> but i've got the bandwidth for it
1591 2011-07-30 23:41:53 <BlueMatt> or youll hit the problems gmaxwell hit when he ran his noe with a ton of connections
1592 2011-07-30 23:42:01 <jrmithdobbs> which one?
1593 2011-07-30 23:42:02 <BlueMatt> where connections just got dropped or something
1594 2011-07-30 23:42:09 <BlueMatt> though I think that might have been an isp filtering issue
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1599 2011-07-30 23:59:29 <jrmithdobbs> ya i wont have that problem
1600 2011-07-30 23:59:41 <jrmithdobbs> box is at a place i used to work
1601 2011-07-30 23:59:47 <jrmithdobbs> not a home connection
1602 2011-07-30 23:59:59 <jrmithdobbs> (place is a colo/hosting facility, it's all on the up and up)