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   4 2011-08-01 00:01:48 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Han Lin Yap master * r8c2143d / src/rpc.cpp : Comment "deprecated" - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/8c2143d4d892fa806f98cf55565757b4aa3bf6a7 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/8c2143d4d892fa806f98cf55565757b4aa3bf6a7
   5 2011-08-01 00:01:48 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r9326234 / src/rpc.cpp : Merge pull request #437 from codler/patch-2 ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/93262341095d464d6cd82113f47c94265e97d757
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   7 2011-08-01 00:04:13 <BlueMatt> hey, gavin is alive
   8 2011-08-01 00:04:41 <nefario> BlueMatt
   9 2011-08-01 00:04:45 <nefario> no he's not
  10 2011-08-01 00:04:48 <nefario> thats a rumor
  11 2011-08-01 00:04:56 <BlueMatt> he just pushed to the repo
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  33 2011-08-01 00:26:20 <nefario> BlueMatt:correction, he was just pushed INTO the repo
  34 2011-08-01 00:26:28 <nefario> whatever that means
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  36 2011-08-01 00:27:05 <BlueMatt> oh shit, tron crap right there
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  61 2011-08-01 01:12:43 <luke-jr> Python wins the "most unreadable language" award, beating out Perl
  62 2011-08-01 01:12:44 <luke-jr> s = ' '.join(map(lambda x: '%14.9f' % (x[0],), [[q[1] * 2⁑32 / 1e9 / q[2] for q in qq if q[0] == reason] for qq in a]))
  63 2011-08-01 01:13:35 <fabianhjr> luke-jr, I am quite sure you are missing some variables there.
  64 2011-08-01 01:13:53 <luke-jr> that's not the whole program obviously
  65 2011-08-01 01:14:07 <fabianhjr> Though, what the fuck is that?
  66 2011-08-01 01:14:24 <luke-jr> Python
  67 2011-08-01 01:14:54 <fabianhjr> I know it is oython. It is my first language thanks to ocw mit edu
  68 2011-08-01 01:15:10 <fabianhjr> luke-jr, what is it supposed to do?
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  70 2011-08-01 01:15:40 <b4epoche_> ⁑?
  71 2011-08-01 01:15:53 <luke-jr> fabianhjr: sorry, that's **
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  73 2011-08-01 01:16:40 <fabianhjr> still, what the fuck is that?
  74 2011-08-01 01:17:01 <luke-jr> fabianhjr: it's part of a program that sits there displaying hashrates of accepted/various rejected shares on Eligius
  75 2011-08-01 01:17:25 <luke-jr>     unknown-work         3    2.576980378    0.572662306    0.501079518    0.505851704
  76 2011-08-01 01:17:25 <luke-jr>             None       494  424.342768845  476.741369856  478.487989890  472.198248894
  77 2011-08-01 01:17:27 <luke-jr> example output
  78 2011-08-01 01:18:52 <fabianhjr> lawl
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  82 2011-08-01 01:29:00 <nanotube> luke-jr: makes a list using a couple nested list comprehensions, then applies a function to the list, and joins the resulting list with a space. not so bad at all :)
  83 2011-08-01 01:29:31 <copumpkin> ⁑ is a valid python operator?
  84 2011-08-01 01:30:05 <copumpkin> that is pretty ugly
  85 2011-08-01 01:34:17 <luke-jr> copumpkin: no, that's my IRC autoreplace
  86 2011-08-01 01:34:24 <copumpkin> ah :)
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  88 2011-08-01 01:36:02 <copumpkin> unwords [printf "%14.9f" x | (x, _, _) <- qq, qq <- a]
  89 2011-08-01 01:36:19 <copumpkin> oh wait
  90 2011-08-01 01:36:28 <copumpkin> missed stuff
  91 2011-08-01 01:36:47 <copumpkin> it's horrible :)
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  98 2011-08-01 01:49:31 <luke-jr> jgarzik: [17:00:15] <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr reject_reason_header * r91f1253a7f11 pushpool-personal/msg.c: Send X-Reject-Reason with JSON-RPC share rejections http://tinyurl.com/3muwddk
  99 2011-08-01 01:49:38 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ^ seems stable on Eligius
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 109 2011-08-01 02:24:07 <jgarzik> luke-jr: pulled
 110 2011-08-01 02:24:29 <jgarzik> luke-jr: well, cherry picked, so it s a different commit id
 111 2011-08-01 02:24:53 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * ra850714efe25 pushpool/msg.c: Send X-Reject-Reason with JSON-RPC share rejections http://tinyurl.com/3cgzgco
 112 2011-08-01 02:26:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: why? XD
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 140 2011-08-01 03:21:37 <dooglus> I've been having trouble on testnet all day - none of my payments are going through
 141 2011-08-01 03:22:05 <dooglus> they show up 0/unconfirmed on the recipient client, but never get confirmed
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 144 2011-08-01 03:22:36 <dooglus> when an unrelated client (a potential miner, say) sees the tx on the wire, it says:
 145 2011-08-01 03:22:39 <dooglus> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : f1156b874f mapTransactions prev not found 52a4314ee8
 146 2011-08-01 03:22:56 <dooglus> and then "storing orphan tx f1156b874f" - so I guess that explains why it's never confirmed
 147 2011-08-01 03:23:02 <dooglus> but what can I do about this?
 148 2011-08-01 03:23:06 <imsaguy> have you tried clearing your blockchain?
 149 2011-08-01 03:23:14 <dooglus> imsaguy: resetting it?
 150 2011-08-01 03:23:29 <imsaguy> yeah, close the client.  delete everything but the wallet.dat
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 152 2011-08-01 03:23:49 <imsaguy> it'll redownload everything
 153 2011-08-01 03:23:54 <dooglus> I just installed on a completely new machine and let it create ~/.bitcoin from scratch
 154 2011-08-01 03:24:07 <imsaguy> but wallet.dat is what contains your private keys
 155 2011-08-01 03:24:14 <imsaguy> without it, you lose access to your balance
 156 2011-08-01 03:24:17 <dooglus> the transaction isn't being confirmed - it's not in the blockchain
 157 2011-08-01 03:24:24 <imsaguy> and if the transaction didn't send, you still retain the coins
 158 2011-08-01 03:24:34 <dooglus> so redownloading it won't help, will it?
 159 2011-08-01 03:26:06 <dooglus> I think we might be talking at cross purposes here
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 161 2011-08-01 03:28:03 <imsaguy> basically trying to reset the transactions
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 163 2011-08-01 03:28:22 <imsaguy> and resolve the transaction issue that is causing the orphan
 164 2011-08-01 03:28:30 <BitcoinForNewegg> so this software I got has a 2800 page eula
 165 2011-08-01 03:28:39 <imsaguy> awesome BitcoinForNewegg
 166 2011-08-01 03:28:42 <imsaguy> did you read it all?
 167 2011-08-01 03:28:45 <BitcoinForNewegg> no
 168 2011-08-01 03:28:51 <imsaguy> what size are the pages?
 169 2011-08-01 03:28:55 <BitcoinForNewegg> it was one entire copy of the GPL per component
 170 2011-08-01 03:29:15 <dooglus> imsaguy: how do I reset a transaction?
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 178 2011-08-01 03:44:49 <lfm> dooglus: generally you don't
 179 2011-08-01 03:46:51 <lfm> dooglus: testnet maybe has no miners running.
 180 2011-08-01 03:47:54 <MaggyO> how do i list my transfers out of my wallet to a specific address
 181 2011-08-01 03:47:59 <MaggyO> using json api
 182 2011-08-01 03:48:32 <lfm> MaggyO: I dont think you do
 183 2011-08-01 03:48:53 <MaggyO> how does bitcoind do it then
 184 2011-08-01 03:49:02 <MaggyO> i mean the gui
 185 2011-08-01 03:49:12 <MaggyO> it lists my transfers out
 186 2011-08-01 03:49:27 <dooglus> lfm: it has miners running.  they've bene mining blocks with a single 50 BTC transaction in them
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 188 2011-08-01 03:49:32 <lfm> the gui is a lot different
 189 2011-08-01 03:49:43 <MaggyO> gui records when you actually send something and stores it in its own db?
 190 2011-08-01 03:50:25 <lfm> dooglus: ok then are you sure you are connected to the miners on testnet? you have the full block chain?
 191 2011-08-01 03:50:52 <dooglus> lfm: I think the problem I'm having is that one of my earlier spends 'got lost' and so the change coin from that spend didn't get into the blockchain.  now, when I try to spend the change, the network can't find the change coin I'm trying to spend in the blockchain, making it an orphan tx
 192 2011-08-01 03:51:13 <dooglus> lfm: I am connected to testnet, with 15 connections.  I have the full block chain
 193 2011-08-01 03:51:38 <dooglus> lfm: what's odd though is even if I use the faucet to send coins, it still shows up as an orphan tx
 194 2011-08-01 03:52:09 <lfm> dooglus: ok the "lost txn should still be on your system. if you leav it running for a couple hours it should straighten itself out. also you might try -rescan
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 196 2011-08-01 03:53:23 <dooglus> lfm: it's been 36 hours now
 197 2011-08-01 03:54:02 <lfm> when you send a txn and it doesnt get into the chain for 30 min or more your system should resend it automaticlly
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 199 2011-08-01 03:54:32 <dooglus> lfm: can I force it to resend all 0/unconf tx's 'now'?
 200 2011-08-01 03:54:44 <lfm> it was a normal txn eh? you didnt hack it up special somehow or anything?
 201 2011-08-01 03:55:15 <lfm> dooglus: not sure, it might resend if you just stop it and start it again
 202 2011-08-01 03:55:23 <dooglus> lfm: I sent a lot (many 50) of 0.01 BTC transactions one after the other
 203 2011-08-01 03:55:43 <dooglus> lfm: using bicoind sendfrom
 204 2011-08-01 03:56:02 <Diablo-D3> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BUB3dygQ
 205 2011-08-01 03:56:07 <lfm> dooglus: oh ok, those sort of txn can get delayed since they look like what the devs call spam or dust.
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 207 2011-08-01 03:56:21 <dooglus> lfm: but I let it include fees in eah
 208 2011-08-01 03:56:24 <dooglus> each
 209 2011-08-01 03:56:30 <dooglus> so it should but ok?
 210 2011-08-01 03:57:09 <lfm> yup it should be, it may take days to work itself out tho
 211 2011-08-01 03:58:02 <dooglus> thing is, my miner doesn't see any pending transactions to mine
 212 2011-08-01 03:58:14 <dooglus> and presumably neither to the others - 'cos they're mining empty blocks
 213 2011-08-01 03:58:20 <dooglus> (other than the 50 BTC reward)
 214 2011-08-01 03:58:24 <dooglus> do*
 215 2011-08-01 03:58:29 <lfm> Diablo-D3: are you having fun yet?
 216 2011-08-01 03:58:43 <Diablo-D3> lfm: ?
 217 2011-08-01 03:58:52 <lfm> dooglus: have you tried running -rescan?
 218 2011-08-01 03:59:05 <dooglus> lfm: I have, I think
 219 2011-08-01 03:59:12 <lfm> Diablo-D3: who put thos in, you?
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 221 2011-08-01 03:59:27 <dooglus> lfm: what does that do?
 222 2011-08-01 03:59:33 <Diablo-D3> lfm: no, found it on hn
 223 2011-08-01 04:00:00 <dooglus> lfm: is that for finding transactions that are in the blockchain but not in my wallet?  'cos if so, that's the exact opposite of my problem isn't it?
 224 2011-08-01 04:00:06 <Diablo-D3> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2830084
 225 2011-08-01 04:00:20 <lfm> dooglus: it rescans  the block chain from the start to repair balances and such.
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 227 2011-08-01 04:00:50 <dooglus> lfm: will it delete transactions from my wallet that aren't in the blockchain?  it can't, I suppose
 228 2011-08-01 04:01:06 <dooglus> lfm: I'll try running it
 229 2011-08-01 04:01:32 <riush> dooglus, you can export and re-import the transaction (will get sent once on import)
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 231 2011-08-01 04:01:36 <riush> https://github.com/piotrnar/bitcoin/tree/importexporttx
 232 2011-08-01 04:03:01 <dooglus> riush: thanks
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 234 2011-08-01 04:03:40 <dooglus> how do you see which tx's a miner is working on?  or which tx's a client has in its pool?
 235 2011-08-01 04:06:01 <dooglus> is it possible I did a double-spend by running 'bitcoind sendfrom' twice too quickly?
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 237 2011-08-01 04:07:20 <riush> ;;later tell sipa sorry, still the same error i'm afraid.. though i don't see what you actually changed since yesterday, but thats probably just me not understanding git - will try again tomorrow to make sure i didn't mess up :)
 238 2011-08-01 04:07:21 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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 240 2011-08-01 04:07:44 <dooglus> that's a nice feature of the bot
 241 2011-08-01 04:08:24 <nanotube> riush: or, tx import/export, nice
 242 2011-08-01 04:10:41 <imsaguy> yeah dooglus, kinda like a memoserv but local
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 245 2011-08-01 04:13:42 <luke-jr> jgarzik: got a new branch to merge; not well-tested yet, but it's fairly simple IMO
 246 2011-08-01 04:14:33 <nanotube> luke-jr: i bet that's what bitomat said, right before their server got nuked. :P
 247 2011-08-01 04:14:57 <CIA-103> bitcoin: various work_expire_enhancements * r16352e..ebbce2 pushpool-personal/ (12 files): (19 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3pezfl5
 248 2011-08-01 04:14:59 <luke-jr> nanotube: I know how to make backups
 249 2011-08-01 04:15:14 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ^, despite CIA stupidity, just 1 commit
 250 2011-08-01 04:15:40 <nanotube> heh
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 252 2011-08-01 04:20:08 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/w/pushpool/luke-jr.git/commitdiff/16352e8a26c6ac5db3f7ccd03623dd05072ab706
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 271 2011-08-01 05:29:32 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I question the compatibility of changing X-Roll-Ntime... would not want any regressions in behavior of existing clients
 272 2011-08-01 05:30:01 <jgarzik> luke-jr: agree with the general principle of the change... would pull if compatible
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 274 2011-08-01 05:30:12 <Diablo-D3> holy fuck
 275 2011-08-01 05:30:15 <Diablo-D3> not that shit again
 276 2011-08-01 05:30:29 <luke-jr> jgarzik: haven't seen any problems with it before-- I ran with a hard-coded value change for a few weeks
 277 2011-08-01 05:30:51 <luke-jr> jgarzik: poclbm (the original implementation) never checked the value itself, just that it had a value
 278 2011-08-01 05:31:10 <jgarzik> luke-jr: what about other miners?  cgminer?  diablo?
 279 2011-08-01 05:31:13 <jgarzik> phoenix?
 280 2011-08-01 05:31:36 <luke-jr> jgarzik: cgminer is broken and ignores it entirely, rolling even if it isn't there, but only when it's slow on getting more work
 281 2011-08-01 05:31:45 <luke-jr> phoenix doesn't roll ntime at all, ever
 282 2011-08-01 05:31:59 <luke-jr> diablo seems to work fine, but Diablo-D3 could probably say for sure
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 285 2011-08-01 05:32:53 <Diablo-D3> Mine works in the larger sense of working
 286 2011-08-01 05:32:53 <luke-jr> jgarzik: also, I put in a hack a few days ago, to see what clients *actually* changed ntime on Eligius, and only came up with a few
 287 2011-08-01 05:33:15 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: you were bitching about my miner also reading sendwork headers
 288 2011-08-01 05:33:47 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: that's unrelated to this :p
 289 2011-08-01 05:34:35 <luke-jr> clients on Eligius rolling ntime (most common first): poclbm, Diablo, (null), draupnir, cgminer, "Twisted PageGetter"
 290 2011-08-01 05:34:55 <Diablo-D3> heh, I wonder what client that is
 291 2011-08-01 05:34:56 <luke-jr> (null) seems to be a botnet, not sure; it rolls ntime with or without a header
 292 2011-08-01 05:35:08 <Diablo-D3> twisted is the python networking bullshit that everyone hates
 293 2011-08-01 05:35:47 <luke-jr> I couldn't find any info on draupnir either
 294 2011-08-01 05:36:21 <luke-jr> I suppose I could try to identify the persons using it, and see whether they're still rolling
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 296 2011-08-01 05:36:32 <Diablo-D3> but yeah
 297 2011-08-01 05:36:33 <Diablo-D3> mine rolls
 298 2011-08-01 05:36:36 <Diablo-D3> it accepts expiray
 299 2011-08-01 05:36:44 <Diablo-D3> and it also uses expiary time has a hard limit
 300 2011-08-01 05:36:54 <Diablo-D3> so it force gets after either 60 or expire seconds
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 309 2011-08-01 06:04:43 <forrestv> Diablo-D3, 'python networking bullshit that everyone hates'? o.O
 310 2011-08-01 06:05:38 <Diablo-D3> forrestv: the twisted event/network framework for python
 311 2011-08-01 06:05:59 <forrestv> heh, yeah. i was wondering why everyone hates it
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 313 2011-08-01 06:13:27 <Diablo-D3> forrestv: its a pile of shit
 314 2011-08-01 06:13:36 <Diablo-D3> I cant put that any more concisely than that
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 316 2011-08-01 06:16:56 <wumpus> I don't hate it at all, it's a very extensive networking implementation with a lot of protocol support..  however the event callback model quickly results in macaroni code
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 318 2011-08-01 06:18:39 <theymos> I finished moving forum.bitcoin.org to bitcointalk.org. Has anyone noticed any bugs with links or anything?
 319 2011-08-01 06:19:32 <wumpus> seems to work fine
 320 2011-08-01 06:19:46 <asher^> what was the reason for moving it? i noticed recently that the forum link went to a google results page instead of the forums too
 321 2011-08-01 06:19:54 <asher^> some legal issue going on or something?
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 323 2011-08-01 06:20:07 <wumpus> let me test some old forum.bitcoin.org links on the wiki to see if the redirect works
 324 2011-08-01 06:20:35 <theymos> Some developers didn't want any real discussion to be associated with the "official" domain.
 325 2011-08-01 06:20:38 <wumpus> works
 326 2011-08-01 06:20:58 <theymos> Thanks for checking. Let me know if you see anything broken.
 327 2011-08-01 06:22:24 <Graet> password failed doing reset email atm
 328 2011-08-01 06:22:38 <Graet> now to remeber which email to check :/
 329 2011-08-01 06:22:51 <Diablo-D3> dear lord
 330 2011-08-01 06:22:53 <Diablo-D3> its theymos
 331 2011-08-01 06:23:00 <Diablo-D3> I must be seeing things
 332 2011-08-01 06:23:43 <gjs278> he was training in the hyper gravity chamber
 333 2011-08-01 06:23:46 <Graet> and it worked well :)
 334 2011-08-01 06:23:47 <sgornick> theymos: will you do a post on the forum to explain that for those who will be asking?
 335 2011-08-01 06:24:04 <theymos> I'm writing a post right now.
 336 2011-08-01 06:24:13 <sgornick> thanks!
 337 2011-08-01 06:28:41 <sgornick> Is bitcoinstats.com just down temporarily, or is there no longer an archive of #bitcoin-dev irc?
 338 2011-08-01 06:29:02 <Diablo-D3> as a forum mod, is there anything I have to give a fuck about?
 339 2011-08-01 06:29:21 <theymos> Diablo-D3: No.
 340 2011-08-01 06:29:40 <Diablo-D3> good
 341 2011-08-01 06:29:44 * Diablo-D3 goes back to not giving a fuck
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 343 2011-08-01 06:37:33 <kreal-> Diablo-D3
 344 2011-08-01 06:37:37 <kreal-> what happend to the forum.
 345 2011-08-01 06:37:39 <kreal-> did it change url?
 346 2011-08-01 06:38:13 <Habbie> kreal-, it did
 347 2011-08-01 06:38:18 <kreal-> just sew.
 348 2011-08-01 06:38:19 <kreal-> thanks
 349 2011-08-01 06:38:24 <kreal-> I was like wth am I signed out.
 350 2011-08-01 06:39:28 <Diablo-D3> kreal-: theymos is RIGHT THERE
 351 2011-08-01 06:39:34 <kreal-> yes I sew it lol
 352 2011-08-01 06:39:35 <kreal-> sorry.
 353 2011-08-01 06:39:45 <lfm> sigh. testnet still accepts mainnet addresses
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 355 2011-08-01 06:40:18 <JFK911> haha
 356 2011-08-01 06:41:27 <kreal-> Diablo-D3 im just a bit paranoid about entering my forum account password on domains I do not know.
 357 2011-08-01 06:41:46 <lfm> kreal-: justifiably so
 358 2011-08-01 06:41:50 <theymos> I'm going to post a new topic soon with PGP-signed text.
 359 2011-08-01 06:42:20 <kreal-> so, do anyone know anything about z-wave?
 360 2011-08-01 06:42:21 <theymos> Also, you'll note that the HTTPS version of forum.bitcoin.org is redirecting you.
 361 2011-08-01 06:42:34 <kreal-> like for instance how to send a wakeup to a binary sensor.
 362 2011-08-01 06:42:47 <kreal-> I just cant get it to wakeup.
 363 2011-08-01 06:42:55 <kreal-> driving me insane.
 364 2011-08-01 06:42:57 <lfm> kreal-: is that anything to do with bitcoin?
 365 2011-08-01 06:43:17 <kreal-> nah not really
 366 2011-08-01 06:43:22 <kreal-> but then again yes.
 367 2011-08-01 06:43:37 <kreal-> I use a motion sensor to monitoring movement by my miners.
 368 2011-08-01 06:43:41 <kreal-> will this help ? :)
 369 2011-08-01 06:43:43 <luke-jr> ……..
 370 2011-08-01 06:43:53 <lfm> oh ok cuz then Ill admit I dont know anything about it
 371 2011-08-01 06:43:59 <wumpus> theymos: yes very good work, https is not broken this time :)
 372 2011-08-01 06:44:23 <luke-jr> theymos: illegal activity is "real discussion"?
 373 2011-08-01 06:45:03 <kreal-> theymos nice choice on StartCom, I use them as well for all my ssl needs.
 374 2011-08-01 06:45:03 <dooglus> are there any known mutex deadlocks in the current bitcoin release?
 375 2011-08-01 06:45:05 <dooglus> I've seen bitcoind lock up twice in the last few days
 376 2011-08-01 06:45:12 <theymos> wumpus: Thanks. HTTP signatures/avatars still prevent full-HTTPS pages, though
 377 2011-08-01 06:45:20 <kreal-> they are pretty well supported in all browsers so far.
 378 2011-08-01 06:45:46 <theymos> luke-jr: Illegal activity is banned on the forum. The concern was mostly unprofessional posting, I think.
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 380 2011-08-01 06:46:00 <wumpus> theymos: heh just disable images in signatures, and allow only uploaded avatars :p
 381 2011-08-01 06:46:21 <kreal-> wumpus no ill lose my pretty one.
 382 2011-08-01 06:46:27 <wumpus> on the other hand, images in posts can still mess things up in that case..
 383 2011-08-01 06:46:27 <luke-jr> dooglus: debug it :p
 384 2011-08-01 06:46:41 <dooglus> luke-jr: I'm trying, but having trouble
 385 2011-08-01 06:47:00 <luke-jr> theymos: my only problem was that it's a forum rather than ML/NNTP and too high-traffic for me :P
 386 2011-08-01 06:47:13 <wumpus> so yeah never mind it's only images, if you imported javascript from a http host it'd be worse 
 387 2011-08-01 06:47:41 <dooglus> luke-jr: can you help?  http://pastebin.com/w3reCiSK
 388 2011-08-01 06:47:42 <wumpus> as long as there is no exploit in the libpng/libjpeg code you're safe 
 389 2011-08-01 06:49:33 <kreal-> If you really want to secure images in signatures, you will need to check if it is indeed a image. i´ve seen many forums where one would put a link to a website in the imagetag. This website will then have for instance javascript code to send request to all the sites which support referrel links, and set the referral link to there own.
 390 2011-08-01 06:49:38 <MaggyO> all illegal activity is banned on forum?
 391 2011-08-01 06:50:33 <MaggyO> i believe in some places sharia law limits quite a lot of what is currently openly discussed there
 392 2011-08-01 06:51:01 <theymos> luke-jr: I'd post on a Bitcoin-focused NNTP server. (I used to post on FMS/Frost a lot, and I really liked that.)
 393 2011-08-01 06:51:41 <theymos> MaggyO: "Obviously illegal in first-world countries" is the standard used.
 394 2011-08-01 06:52:13 <MaggyO> why not just illegal wherever the server is located
 395 2011-08-01 06:52:24 <kreal-> guess that didnt make sense.
 396 2011-08-01 06:54:13 <kreal-> or you are all just doing this right now...
 397 2011-08-01 06:55:46 <lfm> MaggyO: then discussion of sharia law is banned in this forum
 398 2011-08-01 06:57:01 <MaggyO> haha
 399 2011-08-01 06:57:17 <wumpus> MaggyO: such discussiion is exactly why the forum was detached
 400 2011-08-01 06:57:35 <lfm> detached?
 401 2011-08-01 06:57:35 <MaggyO> im fine with the forum being detached
 402 2011-08-01 06:59:47 <JFK911> if we can find a way to put a message board on a gopher server that should keep the chaff out
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 404 2011-08-01 07:00:43 <cjdelisle> Or an .onion server, then you need not worry about someone in some small country coming for your head because you broke their law.
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 413 2011-08-01 07:36:14 <JFK911> lfm: i think no
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 418 2011-08-01 07:52:23 <savetheinternet> are there any downsides to having, say, 100,000 addresses?
 419 2011-08-01 07:52:37 <savetheinternet> does the program handle a lot of addresses well?
 420 2011-08-01 07:53:40 <nefario> Im off for a while
 421 2011-08-01 07:53:43 <nefario> later guys
 422 2011-08-01 07:57:36 <cjdelisle> someone was talking about a wallet.dat file that was >1GB
 423 2011-08-01 07:58:38 <MaggyO> cjdelisle: probably not, most of btc stuff that is in the long term category is unknown or not handled
 424 2011-08-01 07:59:33 <cjdelisle> definitely so, I saw him talking about it.
 425 2011-08-01 07:59:52 <cjdelisle> he was saying that startup time was not that different too.
 426 2011-08-01 08:00:21 <MaggyO> no im saying, its probably not handled well currently
 427 2011-08-01 08:00:30 <MaggyO> ie memory usage will be high, etc
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 461 2011-08-01 09:14:49 <ophiel> hi is there a feature in the works to automatically encrypt the wallet.dat file?
 462 2011-08-01 09:17:14 <TuxBlackEdo> isn't it being implemented soon?
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 464 2011-08-01 09:20:37 <ophiel> i don't know
 465 2011-08-01 09:20:43 <ophiel> where would i check that?
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 467 2011-08-01 09:22:38 <ophiel> i mean you could argue, that if you use pgp and someone swipes their private key and wallet.dat it's a problem, but at least that's protected by a basic hash function
 468 2011-08-01 09:22:54 <ophiel> some passphrase
 469 2011-08-01 09:23:08 <ophiel> the critics of this will be all over this point
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 471 2011-08-01 09:24:31 <cjdelisle> no, it should be protected with a non-basic hash function, there are password key derivation functions which are basicly unbreakable for all but the most simple passwords.
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 473 2011-08-01 09:24:56 <cjdelisle> I would feel safe pushing my wallet to github if it was encrypted using scrypt for example.
 474 2011-08-01 09:25:52 <ophiel> well that's even better
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 477 2011-08-01 09:28:00 <ophiel> ah you mean scrypt
 478 2011-08-01 09:28:18 <ophiel> i found it now
 479 2011-08-01 09:28:20 <ophiel> :P
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 484 2011-08-01 09:37:47 <kish`_> net.cpp:22:32: fatal error: miniupnpc/miniwget.h: No such file or directory
 485 2011-08-01 09:37:53 <kish`_> what is that
 486 2011-08-01 09:39:24 <kish`_> i seem to need miniupnpc
 487 2011-08-01 09:40:04 <cjdelisle> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/net.cpp#L22
 488 2011-08-01 09:40:19 <cjdelisle> looks like if USE_UPNP is not defined then it will not need it
 489 2011-08-01 09:40:56 <TuxBlackEdo> is there a good tutorial of the bittorrent protocol? I want to write my own client without reading other people's code
 490 2011-08-01 09:41:18 <TuxBlackEdo> er
 491 2011-08-01 09:41:19 <kish`_> thanks
 492 2011-08-01 09:41:21 <TuxBlackEdo> bitcoin*
 493 2011-08-01 09:41:43 <cjdelisle> heh, I could tell you more about bittorrent than btc :P
 494 2011-08-01 09:41:46 <TuxBlackEdo> is there a protocol specification?
 495 2011-08-01 09:42:11 <TuxBlackEdo> i like all the bits, torrents and coins.
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 513 2011-08-01 10:03:08 <doublec> TuxBlackEdo: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification
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 517 2011-08-01 10:08:10 <kish`_> wow, bitccccccoind actually compiled
 518 2011-08-01 10:08:20 <kish`_> now, any decent front ends
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 520 2011-08-01 10:09:22 <cjdelisle> I don't think there's a gui<-->daemon interface
 521 2011-08-01 10:10:05 <kish`_> how about a webui<-->daemon interface?
 522 2011-08-01 10:12:36 <kish`_> well, if no such thing how do you want me to coins around? ;)
 523 2011-08-01 10:13:04 <kish`_> i see that this ./bitcoind help works
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 621 2011-08-01 12:13:07 <sacarlson> kish`_: I thought bitcoin had a gui interface
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 623 2011-08-01 12:14:27 <sacarlson> kish`_: but there are also spesmilo, webskin, bitcoin-qt, multicoin-qt... and many more gui web interfaces
 624 2011-08-01 12:14:30 <Eliel> kish`_: i you insist on using the bitcoind executable instead of bitcoin executable which has a gui, there's a gui named spesmilo too.
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 626 2011-08-01 12:15:47 <erus`> whats the current blockchain head?
 627 2011-08-01 12:16:12 <Eliel> the latest block according to my client is 139131
 628 2011-08-01 12:16:22 <sacarlson> erus`: I show and concure "blocks" : 139131,
 629 2011-08-01 12:16:28 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,blocks
 630 2011-08-01 12:16:28 <gribble> 139131
 631 2011-08-01 12:16:44 <erus`> when will my send go through :O
 632 2011-08-01 12:16:49 <erus`> i have 0 conformations
 633 2011-08-01 12:16:53 <erus`> and  im upto date
 634 2011-08-01 12:17:08 <Eliel> what's the transaction id?
 635 2011-08-01 12:17:32 <erus`> where does the bitcoin client say
 636 2011-08-01 12:17:38 <erus`> do i have to use an rpc command?
 637 2011-08-01 12:17:50 <kinlo> listtransactions
 638 2011-08-01 12:17:55 <sacarlson> erus`: bitcoind listtransactions
 639 2011-08-01 12:17:59 <kinlo> that should give you an overview
 640 2011-08-01 12:20:54 <erus`> "txid" : "0a63cc2dede60f603894201c27dbce13537cb28085a75b3945c99274316094ee"
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 642 2011-08-01 12:23:40 <WildSoil> ;;bc,stats
 643 2011-08-01 12:23:41 <kinlo> that transaction is not known on the bitcoin network
 644 2011-08-01 12:23:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 139131 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 1988 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 20 hours, 23 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2280390.52116345
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 646 2011-08-01 12:25:13 <Eliel> erus`: are you using regular bitcoin or is patched in some way?
 647 2011-08-01 12:25:42 <erus`> 0.3.24-beta
 648 2011-08-01 12:26:11 <erus`> its been 12 mins
 649 2011-08-01 12:26:15 <erus`> is that too little time
 650 2011-08-01 12:27:26 <josephcp> erus`: make sure youre connected to other bitcoin nodes, eventually it will-resend the transaction, but it may take up to an hour or so
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 652 2011-08-01 12:27:49 <erus`> meh ok
 653 2011-08-01 12:28:25 <josephcp> there's a patch to force the transaction to resend, but it's probably easier to just wait
 654 2011-08-01 12:28:29 <erus`> i wanna bet on "Will the US government pass comprehensive legislation extending the debt ceiling?" :D
 655 2011-08-01 12:28:33 <josephcp> force resend in rpc i mean
 656 2011-08-01 12:28:38 <josephcp> rpc command
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 658 2011-08-01 12:28:53 <erus`> thats the command? 'force resend'
 659 2011-08-01 12:29:02 <josephcp> no there's a patch
 660 2011-08-01 12:29:05 <erus`> ah ok
 661 2011-08-01 12:29:34 <josephcp> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/421
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 664 2011-08-01 12:31:35 <erus`> ooo 1 unconfirmed
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 669 2011-08-01 12:38:57 <erus`> the odds went from 1:4 to 1:6 in the time it took my money to go through :(
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 698 2011-08-01 13:24:34 <jine> ;;bc,est 60000000
 699 2011-08-01 13:24:35 <gribble> Error: "bc,est" is not a valid command.
 700 2011-08-01 13:24:43 <jine> ;;bc,commands
 701 2011-08-01 13:24:43 <gribble> Error: "bc,commands" is not a valid command.
 702 2011-08-01 13:24:48 <jine> ;;bc,showcommands
 703 2011-08-01 13:24:48 <gribble> Error: "bc,showcommands" is not a valid command.
 704 2011-08-01 13:24:51 <jine> ;;showcommands
 705 2011-08-01 13:24:51 <gribble> Error: "showcommands" is not a valid command.
 706 2011-08-01 13:24:56 <jine> ;;commands
 707 2011-08-01 13:24:58 <gribble> ?, about, action, add, alert, alias, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, asks, at, auth, author, azn, ban add, ban list, ban remove, base, bashorg, bc,24hprc, bc,avgprc, bc,bcm, bc,blocks, bc,btceur, bc,btcgbp, bc,btcguild, bc,btcrub, bc,btcto, bc,calc, bc,calcd, bc,channels, bc,convert, bc,deepbit, bc,diff, bc,diffchange, bc,eligius, bc,estimate, (8 more messages)
 708 2011-08-01 13:25:15 <jine> ;;bc,estimate 600000000
 709 2011-08-01 13:25:16 <gribble> 2274997.36301844
 710 2011-08-01 13:25:23 <jine> Err..
 711 2011-08-01 13:25:28 <jine> ;;bc,calc 600000000
 712 2011-08-01 13:25:28 <gribble> You've given me 6 commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 5 minutes.
 713 2011-08-01 13:25:49 <jine> :C Lets find some online tool then... i don't love you anymore gribble
 714 2011-08-01 13:25:50 <upb> ninebot ate my ask! :P
 715 2011-08-01 13:25:51 <upb> nice
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 718 2011-08-01 13:29:52 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
 719 2011-08-01 13:29:52 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":14.8999,"low":13.001,"avg":13.399592088,"vwap":13.434692568,"vol":12360,"last":13.43002,"buy":13.43011,"sell":13.4398}}
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 727 2011-08-01 13:40:59 <nanotube> jine: see ,,(bc,wiki gribble) for a nice command overview :)
 728 2011-08-01 13:41:00 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble | Jun 12, 2011 ... gribble is a modified Supybot IRC bot, carrying some useful bitcoin-related commands and factoids. The bot's command sequence is ';;' ...
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 736 2011-08-01 13:48:48 <MaggyO> can "Sendtoaddress" fail and if so how
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 740 2011-08-01 13:51:48 <doublec> MaggyO: invalid address, balance to low, can't create transaction due to too many inputs, can't pay fee
 741 2011-08-01 13:51:58 <doublec> MaggyO: they
 742 2011-08-01 13:52:05 <doublec> MaggyO: they're the ones I've seen
 743 2011-08-01 13:52:18 <MaggyO> how do they end up looking from the php end?
 744 2011-08-01 13:52:21 <MaggyO> exception?
 745 2011-08-01 13:52:27 <doublec> you get a json-rpc error
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 747 2011-08-01 13:52:35 <MaggyO> ok
 748 2011-08-01 13:53:01 <doublec> I don't know how that translates to whatever library you're using
 749 2011-08-01 13:53:43 <MaggyO> yah, exception
 750 2011-08-01 13:54:01 <MaggyO> just wasnt sure if it would return error or not i guess
 751 2011-08-01 13:54:50 <MaggyO> did you get my question earlier about storing sent addresses?
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 756 2011-08-01 14:10:52 <doublec> no, what was it
 757 2011-08-01 14:11:52 <MaggyO> you have getreceivedbyaddress which allows you to determine the amount of btc someone has sent to a deposit addr
 758 2011-08-01 14:12:01 <MaggyO> what about the opposite, an address they have supplied to withdraw with
 759 2011-08-01 14:12:28 <doublec> MaggyO: you can't specify an address to withdraw from
 760 2011-08-01 14:12:45 <MaggyO> no i mean, the one they want btc sent to
 761 2011-08-01 14:13:09 <doublec> I store it yes, just as an auditing thing so I can look up info later
 762 2011-08-01 14:13:14 <doublec> but not for any other reason
 763 2011-08-01 14:13:23 <doublec> that I can think of
 764 2011-08-01 14:13:48 <MaggyO> i notice bitcoin gui can display outgoing transactions
 765 2011-08-01 14:14:00 <doublec> listtransactions will give you that
 766 2011-08-01 14:14:00 <MaggyO> does it also store it differently than the json api can use?
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 768 2011-08-01 14:21:50 <kish`_>     "difficulty" : 82345.64411297,
 769 2011-08-01 14:21:52 <kish`_> WTF
 770 2011-08-01 14:22:51 <MaggyO> listtransactions gives all though doesnt it
 771 2011-08-01 14:25:47 <kish`_> ./bitcoind getdifficulty
 772 2011-08-01 14:25:47 <kish`_> 876954.49351354
 773 2011-08-01 14:25:55 <kish`_> seriously, it's not a testnet
 774 2011-08-01 14:26:44 <kish`_> so what gives
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 776 2011-08-01 14:28:33 <gmaxwell> kish`_: you haven't caught up with the blockchain yet.
 777 2011-08-01 14:28:41 <gmaxwell>     "blocks" : 139146,
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 780 2011-08-01 14:29:15 <kish`_> ah i see. thanks
 781 2011-08-01 14:32:03 <jrmithdobbs> w
 782 2011-08-01 14:32:29 <jrmithdobbs> ps auxwww | grep gre... wait a second wrong window
 783 2011-08-01 14:32:30 <jrmithdobbs> ha
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 786 2011-08-01 14:38:11 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
 787 2011-08-01 14:38:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 139147 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 1972 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2205199.54303318
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 789 2011-08-01 14:41:20 <MaggyO> so even more miners joined btc
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 824 2011-08-01 15:30:35 <vegardno> MaggyO: or the miners upgraded their hardware
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 850 2011-08-01 15:58:46 <phantomcircuit> ARGGGHHHH
 851 2011-08-01 15:58:51 <phantomcircuit> can we please reset the testnet
 852 2011-08-01 15:58:57 <phantomcircuit> 30k blocks is retarded for a test net
 853 2011-08-01 15:59:10 <nanotube> hey, it's good testnet.
 854 2011-08-01 15:59:15 <nanotube> makes it more realistic :)
 855 2011-08-01 15:59:39 * cjdelisle is going to open an exchange selling testcoins
 856 2011-08-01 15:59:55 <nanotube> phantomcircuit: may i interest you in some cheap testnetbtc? :)
 857 2011-08-01 16:00:15 <nanotube> cjdelisle: you can try otc for your tnbtc needs hehe
 858 2011-08-01 16:01:14 * WakiMiko_ is selling 5 TBTC for 1 BTC
 859 2011-08-01 16:01:25 <cjdelisle> I don't wanna go there, I don't really agree with the admins and there is way too much chat so I get nothing done.
 860 2011-08-01 16:02:31 <asher^> after how many confirms will a generated 50btc appear in your balance? 120?
 861 2011-08-01 16:03:41 <fabianhjr> phantomcircuit, what is the difficulty still? It is way easier to get tn coins regardless of the number of blocks.
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 863 2011-08-01 16:03:54 <phantomcircuit> fabianhjr, it's just annoying
 864 2011-08-01 16:03:56 <fabianhjr> Due to difficulty compensating there isn't really a fix.
 865 2011-08-01 16:05:33 <phantomcircuit> the difficulty hasn't reset in a while now afaikt
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 868 2011-08-01 16:06:15 <fabianhjr> Maybe it is because no one is mining and the diff recalc is far away?
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 872 2011-08-01 16:16:19 <asher^> anyone here familiar with pushpool? im wondering if someone could tell me which file i should look in to check where pushpool validates a submitted share as correct
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 876 2011-08-01 16:19:04 <Eliel> I used to think it's a design error that the difficulty adjusts very slowly if network hashrate drops sharply but then I realized it makes network splits less damaging. It's quite unlikely the network will be split evenly, so the smaller part of the split will be at a standstill basically.
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 884 2011-08-01 16:23:39 <gmaxwell> Eliel: the same property prevents attackers who've segemented a target user's network from mining a fantasy chain just for them.
 885 2011-08-01 16:24:17 <gmaxwell> Eliel: E.g. I somehow become all your peers (e.g. by compromising your ISP), then I use a modest amount of hashpower to mine a split chain just for you.
 886 2011-08-01 16:24:34 <gmaxwell> If difficulty adjusted quickly it could rapidly adapt to my slow speed and I could trick you.
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 888 2011-08-01 16:25:22 <Eliel> gmaxwell: ah, yes, that's even more important :)
 889 2011-08-01 16:25:58 <Eliel> is there an article written somewhere detailing this sort of design details and their significance for the overall system?
 890 2011-08-01 16:26:36 <gmaxwell> There is the original bitcoin paper, but he doesn't make every argument in it. (e.g. he doesn't make this point)
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 892 2011-08-01 16:29:12 <lfm> does anyone know if there is a good reason that testnet accepts mainnet addresses without complaint?
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 896 2011-08-01 16:30:50 <lfm> or is it just a bug
 897 2011-08-01 16:31:50 <lfm> I was using the command line sendtoaddress
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 901 2011-08-01 16:36:16 <lfm> nobody eh?
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 903 2011-08-01 16:40:48 <cjdelisle> 12:42 <+tbcbawt> SELL https://bitomat.pl              0.2000 BTC @   38.2000     Polish Zloty     Total:    7.64
 904 2011-08-01 16:40:53 * cjdelisle claps
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 907 2011-08-01 16:41:29 <erus`> send me bitcoins plox
 908 2011-08-01 16:41:39 <lfm> cjdelisle: was that spozed to be for -otc or something?
 909 2011-08-01 16:41:56 <asher^> lfm why wouldnt it?
 910 2011-08-01 16:42:03 <asher^> im assuming they are the same format
 911 2011-08-01 16:42:32 <lfm> they are not the same format. mainnet addresses start with a '1', testnet start with 'm' or 'n'
 912 2011-08-01 16:42:59 <cjdelisle> Naw, just general off topic rambling. I hated to see them lose their wallet and I'm happy to see even one trade.
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 914 2011-08-01 16:43:36 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: they are the same format with a different version number
 915 2011-08-01 16:43:38 <unknown-> I'm having an issue with the bitcoin client: Every few seconds bitcoin tries to write to the addr.dat file many many times. They aren't big writes, but it wipes out the disk capacity of my laptop when it happens. Any idea what I can do, or if it will be fixed/changed in 0.3.25?
 916 2011-08-01 16:43:41 <lfm> cjdelisle: oh not a lot of volume on the zloty - btc market?
 917 2011-08-01 16:43:58 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: the checksum verifies, as far as i know you could send to testnet addresses on mainnet too
 918 2011-08-01 16:44:15 <asher^> lfm i believe its because of versioning
 919 2011-08-01 16:44:16 <lfm> unknown-: um the addr writes are needed actually
 920 2011-08-01 16:44:27 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: you can still redeem the coins with some trickery so long as you have the privkey
 921 2011-08-01 16:44:32 <asher^> the testnet uses a newer address version than mainnet
 922 2011-08-01 16:44:43 <cjdelisle> lfm: I don't mean to carry on o/t conversation but: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/j4t58/3rd_largest_bitcoin_exchange_has_lost_its/
 923 2011-08-01 16:44:51 <unknown-> lfm: Why? There have got to be hundreds of them at a time
 924 2011-08-01 16:44:54 <asher^> and since backwards compatifility is built in, it accepts it
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 926 2011-08-01 16:45:15 <lfm> asher^ nope, testnet uses a special prefix byte when formatting their address strings. main net uses a zero there
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 929 2011-08-01 16:46:42 <lfm> asher^:  the actuall keys under laying are the same and compatible but the address string, I thought, were formatted differently for exactly the reason to keep them from going to the wrong net
 930 2011-08-01 16:46:46 <jrmithdobbs> lfm: that should probably be fixed but it doesn't surprise me
 931 2011-08-01 16:46:59 <asher^> lfm, the first byte of the address is the version
 932 2011-08-01 16:47:19 <lfm> asher^ well it is used as a net id
 933 2011-08-01 16:47:40 <asher^> my explanation above is the answer to your question
 934 2011-08-01 16:48:00 <lfm> asher^ look at block explorer and you will see all the addresses are starting with 1
 935 2011-08-01 16:48:16 <lfm> asher^ it is a bug tho
 936 2011-08-01 16:48:33 <asher^> why are you telling me to look at block explorer?
 937 2011-08-01 16:49:13 <lfm> asher^ you would see there that all the addresses start with 1 for mainnet, there is none that start with 'm' or 'n' as they do on testnet
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 939 2011-08-01 16:49:41 <asher^> i know
 940 2011-08-01 16:49:49 <asher^> that first byte is the version number
 941 2011-08-01 16:49:52 <asher^> as i said before
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 943 2011-08-01 16:50:08 <lfm> its not a new version, it is a net id code
 944 2011-08-01 16:50:20 <asher^> the byte is the addressversion
 945 2011-08-01 16:50:46 <lfm> it may be called that in some places in the sources but if so, it is misnamed
 946 2011-08-01 16:50:46 <asher^> and a partciular value happens to be used by the testnet
 947 2011-08-01 16:51:40 <lfm> and if you are running on testnet the client should not accept a mainnet address in a sendtoaddress command
 948 2011-08-01 16:52:00 <asher^> unless what i said is correct
 949 2011-08-01 16:52:04 <asher^> in which case it should
 950 2011-08-01 16:52:29 <lfm> huh? why? just because they are compatible doesnt mean the error check shouldnt be done!
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 954 2011-08-01 16:53:22 <asher^> its the same client
 955 2011-08-01 16:53:56 <jrmithdobbs> ;;bc,blocks
 956 2011-08-01 16:53:57 <gribble> 139161
 957 2011-08-01 16:54:12 <lfm> and its not "backward compatibility" its there as an net id and it should be used as such.
 958 2011-08-01 16:55:12 <unknown-> So since you guys are all talking about the addr.dat formatting or whatever, why is it that the client needs to write to that file so often?
 959 2011-08-01 16:55:28 <asher^> lfm well maybe you should tell the developers that they have coded it in a way that makes you unhappy and should change it then
 960 2011-08-01 16:55:44 <lfm> unknown-: that file keeps track of what nodes are currently active on the net
 961 2011-08-01 16:55:58 <unknown-> Why isn't that kept in memory?
 962 2011-08-01 16:56:00 <asher^> the fact that you are confusing what happens to be its use in a paricular case with its purpose has nothing to do with the reality of what it is
 963 2011-08-01 16:56:03 <jrmithdobbs> unknown-: known issue, fixes planned
 964 2011-08-01 16:56:18 <unknown-> jrmithdobbs: For 0.3.25?
 965 2011-08-01 16:56:23 <lfm> asher^ yes I am doing that and will maybe even work up a patch for them.
 966 2011-08-01 16:56:27 <jrmithdobbs> unknown-: there isn't going to be a .25
 967 2011-08-01 16:56:38 <jrmithdobbs> unknown-: but no, probably not for .4.0
 968 2011-08-01 16:56:49 <asher^> lol
 969 2011-08-01 16:57:00 <unknown-> jrmithdobbs: damn. It's killin my laptop to do those writes so often.
 970 2011-08-01 16:57:10 <lfm> asher^ huh? its ONLY use is what I described, not your description
 971 2011-08-01 16:57:18 <asher^> you mean its only current use?
 972 2011-08-01 16:57:22 <jrmithdobbs> unknown-: fixing it requires a major rework on how addresses are stored/etc
 973 2011-08-01 16:57:22 <luke-jr> jgarzik: is there a reason struct genlist uses void* for data, and has an unused data_len?
 974 2011-08-01 16:57:48 <unknown-> jrmithdobbs: I figured. I assume it isn't trivial to just put that file in ram instead of writing to disk?
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 976 2011-08-01 16:58:36 <lfm> asher^ well it is used the way I described in a lot of places and on several nets, not just mainnet and testnet and afaik it is not used the way you think anywhere and never has been.
 977 2011-08-01 16:59:55 <lfm> what someone in some hypothetical future may do with that byte is beyond me, Ill admit that much
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 979 2011-08-01 17:01:48 <lfm> unknown-: the file is needed from one run to the next. you may be right that the updates could be excessive and perhaps they could be reduced some but it is that way by design, not really a bug
 980 2011-08-01 17:01:50 <asher^> does anyone familiar with pushpool know where abouts in the code it validates submitted work?
 981 2011-08-01 17:03:20 <unknown-> lfm: I get that you'd have to read on program start and write on program close, but inbetween I'm betting it could all be done in ram, no?
 982 2011-08-01 17:05:33 <lfm> perhaps. Im not sure how important it is to recover from crashes and whatnot. BTW if the file is too big you can stop the client breifly and just delete the addr.dat file and it will recover. the file should e reduced in size somwaht. I know its not a proper solution but it may help you work around it.
 983 2011-08-01 17:07:52 <lfm> unknown-: but seriously if your machine is having trouble with file sizes I think you will just continue to have more and more trouble trying to run bitcoin on it. bitcoin kinda assumes it has lots of room on disk.
 984 2011-08-01 17:08:26 <unknown-> It's not the file size
 985 2011-08-01 17:08:31 <unknown-> it's the number of writes
 986 2011-08-01 17:08:50 <lfm> i thot you said you were running out of space?
 987 2011-08-01 17:08:53 <unknown-> Filesize is not important, I have 300 gigs of space. It's the several hundred writes per second
 988 2011-08-01 17:08:56 <unknown-> Nope, never said that.
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 990 2011-08-01 17:09:17 <lfm> what is it then, the battery life?
 991 2011-08-01 17:09:26 <unknown-> Dude, I just said what it is
 992 2011-08-01 17:09:30 <unknown-> Twice!
 993 2011-08-01 17:09:46 <unknown-> It makes it so that other things that wish to access the disk cannot
 994 2011-08-01 17:09:50 <lfm> what is the problem with "lots of writes"?
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 996 2011-08-01 17:10:40 <lfm> oh, I have not had a problem like that. so it is a disk speed problem for you then.
 997 2011-08-01 17:10:47 <unknown-> It's only pushing a measly 300kb per second when it does it, but it starves the disk I/O from other things
 998 2011-08-01 17:10:58 <unknown-> My disk is a 7200rpm drive
 999 2011-08-01 17:11:04 <unknown-> Not likely.
1000 2011-08-01 17:11:12 <unknown-> This computer isn't slow
1001 2011-08-01 17:11:28 <lfm> so seeks are the problem.
1002 2011-08-01 17:11:34 <unknown-> Yes.
1003 2011-08-01 17:11:49 <unknown-> Which could be construed as a laptop specific issue, but I doubt it
1004 2011-08-01 17:12:26 <unknown-> I'm connected to between 90 and 115 people, and when the numbers are that high it just writes and writes and writes to addr.dat
1005 2011-08-01 17:12:40 <lfm> well ya laptop drive seek do tend to be slower but I didnt realize it was that serious an issue with bitcoin
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1007 2011-08-01 17:13:28 <lfm> maybe you could use the -maxconnect= parm to reduce that some would prolly help
1008 2011-08-01 17:13:56 <unknown-> Mmm, yeah. It didn't used to do this on 0.3.23
1009 2011-08-01 17:13:59 <unknown-> that's why I noticed
1010 2011-08-01 17:14:07 <phantomcircuit> who wants to send me some bitcoinds
1011 2011-08-01 17:14:11 <unknown-> But I also never connected to more than 8 people on that version
1012 2011-08-01 17:14:56 <lfm> altho the net does need all the connects it can get. Ya .24 is better at connecting to people so it is getting more addr updates from the extra connections
1013 2011-08-01 17:14:57 <phantomcircuit> someone send some testnet coins to mr2goGAZy7csp1JPxVQS6aqvtppnxQ11Vj
1014 2011-08-01 17:15:20 <lfm> phantomcircuit: commin right up
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1017 2011-08-01 17:16:58 <phantomcircuit> AHAHA SUCKER I AM RICH
1018 2011-08-01 17:17:00 <phantomcircuit> RICH I SAW
1019 2011-08-01 17:17:03 <phantomcircuit> lfm, thanks
1020 2011-08-01 17:17:20 <copumpkin> how many did you get?
1021 2011-08-01 17:17:43 <lfm> he got less than 1% of my testnet coins
1022 2011-08-01 17:17:51 <unknown-> :P
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1024 2011-08-01 17:19:06 <lfm> if he looks up the txn he will see exactly how much I have left
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1066 2011-08-01 17:44:31 <lfm> testnet hasn't had a difficulty update for a month now
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1068 2011-08-01 17:45:31 <lfm> next diff change at block: 32256 in 607 blocks
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1073 2011-08-01 17:46:55 <lfm> no matter what happens the next difficulty will be 1/4th of the current one afaik
1074 2011-08-01 17:48:29 <lfm> um well maybe not yet
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1110 2011-08-01 18:31:34 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,gen 48000000000
1111 2011-08-01 18:31:36 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 48000000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1888786.7053531 , is 25561.2569335 BTC per day and 1065.05237223 BTC per hour.
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1117 2011-08-01 18:53:15 <ersi> Blurgh, wxWidgets is no fun building
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1120 2011-08-01 18:55:38 <asher^> agreed
1121 2011-08-01 18:56:48 <imsaguy2> ;;bc,gen 600000
1122 2011-08-01 18:56:49 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1888786.7053531 , is 0.319515711668 BTC per day and 0.0133131546529 BTC per hour.
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1126 2011-08-01 18:58:45 <ersi> arghhh, fuckery
1127 2011-08-01 18:58:55 <imsaguy2> ;;bc,gen 500000
1128 2011-08-01 18:58:56 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1888786.7053531 , is 0.266263093057 BTC per day and 0.011094295544 BTC per hour.
1129 2011-08-01 18:59:07 <imsaguy2> oops
1130 2011-08-01 18:59:10 <imsaguy2> ;;bc,gen 50000
1131 2011-08-01 18:59:12 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 50000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1888786.7053531 , is 0.0266263093057 BTC per day and 0.0011094295544 BTC per hour.
1132 2011-08-01 18:59:28 <ersi> Can't build trunk with wxWidgets 2.9.0 2.9.1 nor 2.9.2 :/
1133 2011-08-01 19:00:43 <ersi> Could someone please look at http://pejsta.nu/21 (Build errors)?
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1135 2011-08-01 19:01:25 <ersi> Trying to build a recent git clone of bitcoin with wxWidgets-2.9.2 and miniupnpc-1.5
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1142 2011-08-01 19:12:08 <AlonzoTG> yeah, I've never seen a successful bitcoin build.
1143 2011-08-01 19:12:10 <AlonzoTG> =\
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1145 2011-08-01 19:12:56 <AlonzoTG> Which is a large part of why I think the current blows donkies.
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1152 2011-08-01 19:20:38 <wumpus> who still builds bitcoin with wx anyway :p
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1154 2011-08-01 19:21:23 <wumpus> just use the qt gui!
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1166 2011-08-01 19:38:11 <Eliel> wumpus: there's a qt gui?
1167 2011-08-01 19:38:44 <wumpus> Eliel: yes mine https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15276.0
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1170 2011-08-01 19:41:17 <wumpus> it's already a few steps ahead of the official gui
1171 2011-08-01 19:42:22 <wumpus> and will be merged eventually
1172 2011-08-01 19:42:27 <Eliel> looking good so far.
1173 2011-08-01 19:42:58 <wumpus> and it doesn't depend on any beta-level libraries
1174 2011-08-01 19:43:44 <Eliel> that's a bonus
1175 2011-08-01 19:44:26 <Eliel> has bitcoin gui always been this beta wx based? I mean for the whole 2+ years?
1176 2011-08-01 19:44:48 <b4epoche_> apparently
1177 2011-08-01 19:45:05 <Eliel> wow, I'm surprised the wx version has been in beta that long :P
1178 2011-08-01 19:45:09 <b4epoche_> since Satoshi seems to get blamed for it
1179 2011-08-01 19:45:49 <Eliel> frankly, I don't think he can be blamed for it exactly. I mean, who'd expect a project to spend like 2 years in beta :)
1180 2011-08-01 19:46:22 <wumpus> wx2.9 has been in beta like forever
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1182 2011-08-01 19:52:23 <b4epoche_> I think he gets blamed for using a beta version to begin with for no good (that I know of) reason
1183 2011-08-01 19:52:48 <wumpus> wx2.8 doesn't have good unicode support
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1189 2011-08-01 20:05:34 <AlonzoTG> headers.h -> BARF.
1190 2011-08-01 20:06:13 * AlonzoTG is busy trying to salvage code from the existing implementation for his own version.
1191 2011-08-01 20:14:45 <edcba> there's nothing to be salvaged :p
1192 2011-08-01 20:15:49 <AlonzoTG> I'm trying to find some good tools to try to reverse-engineer what's there so I don't have to design from scratch and hope. =\
1193 2011-08-01 20:15:59 <AlonzoTG> Kdevelop sucks nuts these days.
1194 2011-08-01 20:16:05 <AlonzoTG> Netbeans is fairly good.
1195 2011-08-01 20:16:16 <AlonzoTG> but it isn't specialized for C++
1196 2011-08-01 20:18:09 <cjdelisle> Perhaps the thing to do is rewrite one piece at a time, define apis and modularize them, plugging them in to the existing client until it is replaced.
1197 2011-08-01 20:18:24 <AlonzoTG> hmm, interesting.
1198 2011-08-01 20:18:32 <AlonzoTG> I still haven't been able to build the stock client though.
1199 2011-08-01 20:19:19 <AlonzoTG> There's a local bitcoin meetup in Arlington tonite, I'm planning to attend.
1200 2011-08-01 20:19:33 <CydeWeys> Oh, in Arlington?  Really?
1201 2011-08-01 20:19:35 <CydeWeys> I'm in DC
1202 2011-08-01 20:19:47 <AlonzoTG> yeah,
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1204 2011-08-01 20:19:56 <CydeWeys> You could do some in-person bit mixing.
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1207 2011-08-01 20:20:41 <CydeWeys> Like each person sends an equivalent amount of BTC to each other simultaneously.
1208 2011-08-01 20:20:45 <CydeWeys> Then do the next pair.
1209 2011-08-01 20:21:06 <cjdelisle> 0rgy! :D
1210 2011-08-01 20:21:45 <AlonzoTG> http://www.meetup.com/BitcoinDC/events/21470071/?a=ce1o_grp&rv=ce1o
1211 2011-08-01 20:22:08 <cjdelisle> AlonzoTG: you might want to look in to #multicoin, it has taken some early steps such as seperating the config from the code and supporting alternative chains.
1212 2011-08-01 20:22:19 <AlonzoTG> I would like to get into bitcoining but I need a client that I can easily, and reliably, build on my own computer.
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1214 2011-08-01 20:24:48 <nanotube> AlonzoTG: oo meetups ftw. :) hope it goes well :)
1215 2011-08-01 20:26:20 <CydeWeys> AlonzoTG: Run GNU/Linux?
1216 2011-08-01 20:27:15 <AlonzoTG> yeah, gentoo.
1217 2011-08-01 20:27:28 <CydeWeys> Bitcoin is pretty simple to compile?
1218 2011-08-01 20:27:41 <AlonzoTG> haven't done it yet.
1219 2011-08-01 20:27:53 <CydeWeys> You may have to download wxwidgets or whatever from its project homepage and compile it locally rather than using Gentoo's package manager.
1220 2011-08-01 20:28:31 <AlonzoTG> Gentoo is a source-based distro, I like it because it guarentees that it can support the compilation of pretty much everything.
1221 2011-08-01 20:28:48 <AlonzoTG> because everything is built from source, it is proven that the system is capable of building everything from source.
1222 2011-08-01 20:28:50 <CydeWeys> Yeah, I know what Gentoo is ...
1223 2011-08-01 20:28:56 <wumpus> bitcoin is very simple to compile, if you find that difficult, you haven't seen anything yet :)
1224 2011-08-01 20:29:09 <CydeWeys> It's just that, Gentoo is pretty hardcore in that sense, so if you're running Gentoo you should definitely be capable of compiling piddling old Bitcoin.
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1226 2011-08-01 20:30:12 <AlonzoTG> yeah, if bitcoin didn't suck balls, that would be true. =)
1227 2011-08-01 20:30:40 <CydeWeys> You know what they say; the bad craftsman blames his tools =)
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1229 2011-08-01 20:32:39 <wumpus> heh
1230 2011-08-01 20:33:39 <Eliel> AlonzoTG: I've compiled bitcoind on both Debian and Ubuntu so far. Very easy. I did need to read the building documentation though.
1231 2011-08-01 20:34:16 <Eliel> I didn't want to mess with the beta wx libraries so I only compiled bitcoind :)
1232 2011-08-01 20:36:11 <bitcoinDRdotCom> anyone know where I can find bitcoin games to install (except poker, since I can't seem to ever find one that installs correction) ?
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1235 2011-08-01 20:39:24 <nanotube> bitcoinDRdotCom: try dragons.tl
1236 2011-08-01 20:40:12 <mabus> bitcoin sucks balls?
1237 2011-08-01 20:40:23 <mabus> finally, a valid use
1238 2011-08-01 20:41:14 <wumpus> yes it seems to have a use, make people complain...
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1240 2011-08-01 20:43:15 <luke-jr> Bitcoin is not simple to compile at all
1241 2011-08-01 20:43:22 <luke-jr> AlonzoTG: #bitcoin-gentoo
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1243 2011-08-01 20:45:01 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr combo * rf2dd24..3e4b7b poclbm-personal/ (5 files): (6 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3kqqyk5
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1246 2011-08-01 20:45:52 <bitcoinDRdotCom> No, I want a bitcoin game that "i" can operate... not play
1247 2011-08-01 20:46:10 <AndyBr> ahoy good citizens
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1249 2011-08-01 20:46:34 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Pieter Wuille master * rce364b2 / locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po : Merge pull request #444 from Jeroenz0r/patch-2 ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/ce364b2d7aba6b7802471a30148f221b26a4ab38
1250 2011-08-01 20:46:38 <bitcoinDRdotCom> ahoy matey!
1251 2011-08-01 20:46:43 <AndyBr> bitcoinbulletin: nice looking web page
1252 2011-08-01 20:47:19 <AndyBr> bitcoinbulletin: pro tip, write a pragraph on top about why your site exists and link to the bitcoin video
1253 2011-08-01 20:48:56 <AndyBr> devs, i'm quite far along with some friends to make a bitcoin bank, but we're a bit unsure as to how we can offer free deposit and withdraw for early customers. should we set fee to zero or will we have to pay a fee ourselves to get the transactions through?
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1255 2011-08-01 20:50:12 <AndyBr> we're looking to get people to buy btc to fund new businesses based on btc and to get merchants to accept btc
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1262 2011-08-01 20:59:25 <bitcoinDRdotCom> andybr - my brother runs networkofsales.com, which now accepts bitcoin for domain name registrations and VPN service... and he also runs a 6 year old virtual currency @ eeecurrency.com and we're trying to figure out ways to maybe back eee's value with bitcoin or anything else creative
1263 2011-08-01 20:59:34 <xelister> nanotube: yes
1264 2011-08-01 20:59:39 <xelister> nanotube: bitomat.pl still operates
1265 2011-08-01 20:59:47 <xelister> they did troLOLOLOLOrollllback
1266 2011-08-01 20:59:48 <xelister> except
1267 2011-08-01 20:59:57 <xelister> trololol back with all the bitcoins gone lol
1268 2011-08-01 21:00:00 <nanotube> how are they operating without any of the users' btc?
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1270 2011-08-01 21:00:08 <xelister> they reopened with 0
1271 2011-08-01 21:00:14 <nanotube> oh... wow
1272 2011-08-01 21:00:19 <xelister> and some retard/unaware users are putting new btc in
1273 2011-08-01 21:00:23 <TiagoTiago> Did the forum got hacked or sumthing or is this just an official but unanounced domain change?
1274 2011-08-01 21:00:25 <nanotube> and so they reopened, and people deposited new btc? haha
1275 2011-08-01 21:00:32 <xelister> nanotube: yeap
1276 2011-08-01 21:00:34 <nanotube> TiagoTiago: domain change.
1277 2011-08-01 21:00:39 <mabus> brb setting up an exchange
1278 2011-08-01 21:00:47 <nanotube> mabus: hehe yea
1279 2011-08-01 21:00:47 <mabus> totallynotgonnascamyougox.pl
1280 2011-08-01 21:00:54 <TiagoTiago> I know, but was it official or due to a hack?
1281 2011-08-01 21:01:03 <nanotube> TiagoTiago: official, theymos posted an anonuncement somewhere
1282 2011-08-01 21:01:26 karnac has joined
1283 2011-08-01 21:01:39 <TiagoTiago> so i don't have to worry about logging into the new address with my old login info?
1284 2011-08-01 21:02:06 <TiagoTiago> I mean, it isn't a phising site nor anything?
1285 2011-08-01 21:02:41 <TiagoTiago> phishing*
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1290 2011-08-01 21:03:40 <nanotube> TiagoTiago: no. but you can check for theymos's official announcement and verify his gpg sig, before signing in.
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1295 2011-08-01 21:06:22 <nanotube> TiagoTiago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33393.0
1296 2011-08-01 21:06:39 <BlueMatt> yay, forum is off of bitcoin.org...finally
1297 2011-08-01 21:07:09 <gmaxwell> Yea. I cheered a bit when I saw that today.
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1299 2011-08-01 21:07:55 <nanotube> man that uabb guy is really pushing uabb... but after seeing some of his forum posts, i'm getting the feeling i really don't want anything to do with it. heh.
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1301 2011-08-01 21:08:12 <charliesheen> any admins here
1302 2011-08-01 21:08:33 <charliesheen> i need all of my banned account stuff removed
1303 2011-08-01 21:08:43 <BlueMatt> wtf is uabb?
1304 2011-08-01 21:09:08 <nanotube> some wannabe 'bitcoin business association'
1305 2011-08-01 21:09:21 <BlueMatt> lol, too many of those
1306 2011-08-01 21:09:24 <nanotube> heh
1307 2011-08-01 21:09:27 <BlueMatt> all of them crap
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1310 2011-08-01 21:09:50 <nanotube> charliesheen: what account stuff?
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1312 2011-08-01 21:10:30 <charliesheen> posts info etc...
1313 2011-08-01 21:11:03 <BlueMatt> on the forum?
1314 2011-08-01 21:11:09 <charliesheen> yeah
1315 2011-08-01 21:11:23 <charliesheen> i was banner without warning
1316 2011-08-01 21:11:27 <charliesheen> banned*
1317 2011-08-01 21:11:31 <BlueMatt> so you want everything you ever said removed since you were banned?
1318 2011-08-01 21:11:36 <charliesheen> yes
1319 2011-08-01 21:11:51 <BlueMatt> have fun with that
1320 2011-08-01 21:12:00 <nanotube> i don't think any forum admins are here, charliesheen
1321 2011-08-01 21:12:04 * cjdelisle sighs and remembers why he has not touched a forum in years
1322 2011-08-01 21:12:16 <BlueMatt> there arent really any forum admins at all, let alone here
1323 2011-08-01 21:12:18 <bitcoinDRdotCom> charlie, thats not a very WINNING attitude
1324 2011-08-01 21:12:36 <charliesheen> you are correct, but neither is banning people
1325 2011-08-01 21:12:54 <bitcoinDRdotCom> [headnod] - indeed
1326 2011-08-01 21:12:58 <BlueMatt> all of the forum admins have pretty much left bitcoin and dont touch the forum just like every other sane person
1327 2011-08-01 21:13:12 <charliesheen> thats where im at now
1328 2011-08-01 21:14:17 <BlueMatt> why do you want to remove everything? say something you arent proud of?
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1330 2011-08-01 21:14:53 <TiagoTiago> alright, thanx for the replies, cya
1331 2011-08-01 21:14:56 <charliesheen> none of what i said can be ammended or answered to
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1333 2011-08-01 21:15:06 <charliesheen> redacted or corrected
1334 2011-08-01 21:15:27 <BlueMatt> meh, well the forum admins suck, they arent gonna do anything for you...
1335 2011-08-01 21:15:40 <charliesheen> small claims correct, gavin anderson
1336 2011-08-01 21:15:51 <BlueMatt> gavin is in australia
1337 2011-08-01 21:15:57 <charliesheen> lives in?
1338 2011-08-01 21:15:58 <BlueMatt> hes good but wont respond atm...
1339 2011-08-01 21:16:04 <BlueMatt> no, on vacation? or something
1340 2011-08-01 21:16:32 <BlueMatt> gavin, jeff, etc are good, but they dont really bother with the forum anymore is my point
1341 2011-08-01 21:16:47 <charliesheen> thats basiclly why i want everything removed
1342 2011-08-01 21:17:01 <charliesheen> no ones in charge and i am not allowed in
1343 2011-08-01 21:17:17 <charliesheen> so my banning was because of someone butthurtedness
1344 2011-08-01 21:18:05 <cjdelisle> forums were really a horrible invention, I don't know what it is but it stirs up the worst in everyone.
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1346 2011-08-01 21:18:21 <BlueMatt> if you have good mods, forums can be great
1347 2011-08-01 21:18:32 <BlueMatt> but moding is a terrible job so no one wants to do it...
1348 2011-08-01 21:18:49 <charliesheen> at no point does free speech vs. spaminess everg get defined
1349 2011-08-01 21:18:55 <cjdelisle> yea but good mods will only do it for $$, bad mods will do favors to get their hands on the banhammer
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1352 2011-08-01 21:20:02 <BlueMatt> thats the problem
1353 2011-08-01 21:20:11 <b4epoche_> thinking it's about free speech is issue #1
1354 2011-08-01 21:21:00 <BlueMatt> thats also true
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1372 2011-08-01 21:34:27 * AlonzoTG is trying to slap together a wallet_tx.cpp file.
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1377 2011-08-01 21:34:53 <AlonzoTG> but I'm trying to figure out why netbeans reports errors on BOOST_FOREACH
1378 2011-08-01 21:35:03 <AlonzoTG> I am pretty sure I have the header chain-included...
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1383 2011-08-01 21:36:10 <AlonzoTG> oh well,
1384 2011-08-01 21:36:15 <AlonzoTG> force included it anyway.
1385 2011-08-01 21:37:40 <Eliel> cjdelisle: they're easy to use and people using them tend to think they're anonymous. That's the combo of what brings out the worst in most people. (I disagree about it being everyone)
1386 2011-08-01 21:40:57 <AlonzoTG> I did manage to get wallet.cpp down to about 1,000 lines, which is the ragged upper bound of what I would consider acceptable.
1387 2011-08-01 21:41:03 <AlonzoTG> but now I have some errors to work though. =\
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1389 2011-08-01 21:41:58 * AlonzoTG will leave for meetup in about 20 minutes.
1390 2011-08-01 21:43:00 <bitcoinDRdotCom> Ok, so Im new to bitcoin and have not aquired any... if anyone wants to donate: 1C38LmeuQzhK1773Lfn1QHRgRR92PaBpqa
1391 2011-08-01 21:43:17 <denisx> is it possible for a poolhopper to see that a new round started because the getwork data changes?
1392 2011-08-01 21:43:28 <forrestv> denisx, no
1393 2011-08-01 21:43:29 <bitcoinDRdotCom> if you want to donate your time to helping a new *innovative* mining pool get going: http://bitcoindr.com
1394 2011-08-01 21:44:12 <b4epoche_> and what makes it innovative?
1395 2011-08-01 21:44:36 <bitcoinDRdotCom> I can evenbuy bitcoin with the dreaded paypal if you want to do LOW volume to protect yourself... (my users pay with paypal :(  )
1396 2011-08-01 21:44:57 <bitcoinDRdotCom> visit bitcoindr.com and read the top of the page
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1401 2011-08-01 21:49:15 <nanotube> bitcoinDRdotCom: what's with the shady-looking hyip stuff?
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1405 2011-08-01 21:55:53 <OneTimePad> how do you get pushpool to insert the time when it inserts a share? unix time stamp is fine.
1406 2011-08-01 21:58:11 <bitcoinDRdotCom> let me explain... most people think of hyip as HIGH YIELD INVESTMENT PROGRAMS we're not doing a HIGH yield. We;re doing a HIGHER yield.. let me explain the difference
1407 2011-08-01 21:58:56 <bitcoinDRdotCom> ok - (bouncing between windows)
1408 2011-08-01 22:00:09 <bitcoinDRdotCom> Ok, we will have a HIGHER yield program, not a high yield one, because you can not realistically offer people 1 or 2% a day or some crazy amount if you don't have the means to generate that type of return to give them. You'll become a ponzi. and we know the law on that, right?
1409 2011-08-01 22:00:15 <CydeWeys> You guys, this isn't 8 minute abs, it's SEVEN minute abs.
1410 2011-08-01 22:00:53 <bitcoinDRdotCom> Well with a HIGHER yield program, we simply offer a HIGHER yield on your money than you would normally get, but its not all that HIGH... just higher than normal.
1411 2011-08-01 22:00:56 <BlueMatt> bitcoinDRdotCom: stfu, doesnt belong here
1412 2011-08-01 22:01:29 <bitcoinDRdotCom> Bluematt - ok. Was just answering someone's question - I'LL RUDELY SHUT THE FUCK UP.
1413 2011-08-01 22:02:11 <CydeWeys> How can I save a bundle on my car insurance in only fifteen minutes?
1414 2011-08-01 22:02:35 <BlueMatt> by hugging a caveman
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1417 2011-08-01 22:04:38 <jrmithdobbs> bitcoinDRdotCom: take your ponzi shit somewhere else
1418 2011-08-01 22:04:45 <jrmithdobbs> i hope you end up in assrape prison
1419 2011-08-01 22:05:40 <BlueMatt> bitcoinDRdotCom: didnt read scrollback, didnt realize you were answering someone's question...that said financial stuff doesnt really belong here...not really your fault here though
1420 2011-08-01 22:05:47 <bitcoinDRdotCom> gosh, jrmithdobbs... it will all be compliant with the law... thats pretty brutal man... good ole internet people.
1421 2011-08-01 22:06:04 <bitcoinDRdotCom> Thanks for that bluematt
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1423 2011-08-01 22:06:19 <bitcoinDRdotCom> My apologies and I appreciate what you saidf
1424 2011-08-01 22:07:05 * BlueMatt should stop yelling at people after drinking...
1425 2011-08-01 22:07:27 <xelister> doing it sober is more fun
1426 2011-08-01 22:07:38 <BlueMatt> I disagree with that
1427 2011-08-01 22:07:42 <upb> sounds somewhat like foodstamp
1428 2011-08-01 22:07:44 <BlueMatt> but I need someone to yell at now...
1429 2011-08-01 22:07:50 <bitcoinDRdotCom> dobbs, all you had to say is that don't think or you know it won't work. I've been in the hyip business since 2004 - never stole or cheated. Sounds like you've been burned or believe everything you read.
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1431 2011-08-01 22:08:06 * AlonzoTG leafs for meetup.
1432 2011-08-01 22:08:38 <bitcoinDRdotCom> bluematt, I can do something else stupid if you want me to. If you promise not to ban me? ;)
1433 2011-08-01 22:09:00 <BlueMatt> hehe
1434 2011-08-01 22:10:20 <BlueMatt> oh, b4epoche_ ping
1435 2011-08-01 22:10:31 <bitcoinDRdotCom> I have to remember that "developement" here does not mean "developing a system" but actual coding, right?
1436 2011-08-01 22:10:42 <bitcoinDRdotCom> or am I wrong?
1437 2011-08-01 22:10:43 <b4epoche_> yep BlueMatt
1438 2011-08-01 22:11:22 <BlueMatt> bitcoinDRdotCom: mostly right
1439 2011-08-01 22:11:41 <BlueMatt> projects ok, but not like straight up investment/financial stuff
1440 2011-08-01 22:12:10 <BlueMatt> b4epoche_: so current head builds test_bitcoin fine, but https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/442 needs libz?
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1442 2011-08-01 22:12:22 <b4epoche_> should stop yelling at people after drinking... <-- how you going to handle being back in US
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1444 2011-08-01 22:12:36 <BlueMatt> probably not well...or Ill get a fake license
1445 2011-08-01 22:12:37 <denisx> BlueMatt: I removed lz and it sitll works
1446 2011-08-01 22:12:47 <bitcoinDRdotCom> ive always had a knack for building systems in terms of putting things together - more like project management and administration. Got out of programming years ago. Kinda wish I would've stayed with it because i have so many ideas and always have to deal with programmer types (who are like me) we butt heads
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1448 2011-08-01 22:13:01 <b4epoche_> BlueMatt:  it needed libz in the LIBS list
1449 2011-08-01 22:13:08 <BlueMatt> still, its not like I drink too much, I was drinking with my parents with a nice meal, so...
1450 2011-08-01 22:13:35 <denisx> BlueMatt: uh no, mixed that up with pushpool
1451 2011-08-01 22:13:37 <b4epoche_> BlueMatt:  I think it was something from BlueMatt repo you had me pull
1452 2011-08-01 22:13:51 <BlueMatt> can you try again?
1453 2011-08-01 22:13:53 <BlueMatt> that pull req
1454 2011-08-01 22:13:56 <BlueMatt> TheBlueMatt/testing
1455 2011-08-01 22:14:12 * b4epoche_ is being called to dinner…  brb
1456 2011-08-01 22:14:17 <BlueMatt> ok, have fun
1457 2011-08-01 22:15:02 <denisx> ok, but bitcoind builds without -lz
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1459 2011-08-01 22:15:13 <BlueMatt> not bitcoind, test_bitcoin
1460 2011-08-01 22:15:25 <BlueMatt> make -f makefile.(your os) test_bitcoin
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1463 2011-08-01 22:15:46 <BlueMatt> I was asking specifically about osx, but more testing is always welcome
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1471 2011-08-01 22:24:56 <jrmithdobbs> bitcoinDRdotCom: don't start /msg'ing me about your ponzi shit because you're butthurt
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1475 2011-08-01 22:30:28 <b4epoche> BlueMatt:  what's the URL?
1476 2011-08-01 22:30:45 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/442
1477 2011-08-01 22:31:04 <BlueMatt> aka git://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin.git
1478 2011-08-01 22:31:14 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/tree/testing
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1480 2011-08-01 22:31:44 <b4epoche> ah, that last one's the one I remember…  didn't realize the pull was the same
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1482 2011-08-01 22:33:06 <b4epoche> are you trying to remove the dependence on libz?
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1484 2011-08-01 22:33:18 <BlueMatt> I didnt know there was a dep on libz
1485 2011-08-01 22:33:20 <BlueMatt> there shouldnt be
1486 2011-08-01 22:33:36 <BlueMatt> I want to figure out why yours seems to think there is
1487 2011-08-01 22:33:42 <BlueMatt> s/yours/your computer/
1488 2011-08-01 22:34:01 <b4epoche> there were some calls to libz functions when linking.
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1490 2011-08-01 22:34:56 <BlueMatt> specifics would be much appreciated ... :)
1491 2011-08-01 22:35:10 <b4epoche> yep, compiling without libz...
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1493 2011-08-01 22:36:27 <b4epoche> oh:        _zlib_stateful_finish in libcrypto.a(c_zlib.o)
1494 2011-08-01 22:36:38 <b4epoche>   "_inflateEnd", referenced from:
1495 2011-08-01 22:36:38 <b4epoche>       _zlib_stateful_finish in libcrypto.a(c_zlib.o)
1496 2011-08-01 22:36:45 <BlueMatt> mmm
1497 2011-08-01 22:37:11 <BlueMatt> does the macports package for openssl have a -zlib flag?
1498 2011-08-01 22:38:41 <BlueMatt> also, main bitcoind needs zlib for you then too?
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1500 2011-08-01 22:39:20 <b4epoche> is that from the wallet encryption?
1501 2011-08-01 22:39:33 <BlueMatt> libcrypto is used in several places
1502 2011-08-01 22:39:46 <b4epoche> yea, that's what's getting me confused...
1503 2011-08-01 22:40:36 <BlueMatt> well libcrypto shouldnt depend on libz (or the stuff we need doesnt)
1504 2011-08-01 22:40:47 <b4epoche> I probably had the macports lib directory in the search path before
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1506 2011-08-01 22:41:00 <b4epoche> https://trac.macports.org/browser/trunk/dports/devel/openssl/Portfile
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1510 2011-08-01 22:44:01 <b4epoche> okay BlueMatt, this is weird:
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1512 2011-08-01 22:44:14 <b4epoche> make -f makefile.osx bitcoin
1513 2011-08-01 22:44:16 <b4epoche> works
1514 2011-08-01 22:44:21 <b4epoche> but
1515 2011-08-01 22:44:44 <b4epoche> make -f makefile.osx test_bitcoin
1516 2011-08-01 22:44:47 <b4epoche> does not
1517 2011-08-01 22:45:39 <BlueMatt> that makes no sense...
1518 2011-08-01 22:45:51 <BlueMatt> but it works on current git head?
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1521 2011-08-01 22:46:49 <b4epoche> head = 0.3.24?
1522 2011-08-01 22:47:10 <BlueMatt> no, git head
1523 2011-08-01 22:47:16 <BlueMatt> ie stuff that has happened since as well
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1525 2011-08-01 22:47:26 <b4epoche> libwxzlib-2.9.a
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1527 2011-08-01 22:47:31 <b4epoche> that's the deal
1528 2011-08-01 22:47:45 <BlueMatt> wtf?
1529 2011-08-01 22:48:28 <b4epoche> that must be included in "wx-config --libs --static"
1530 2011-08-01 22:48:46 <b4epoche> so when no gui, no zlib
1531 2011-08-01 22:48:46 <BlueMatt> must be...but wait a sec let me do some looking...
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1533 2011-08-01 22:52:16 <b4epoche> indeed, I have libz in my cocoa builds
1534 2011-08-01 22:52:44 <BlueMatt> but test_bitcoin is no gui
1535 2011-08-01 22:52:58 <b4epoche> yea, and I get an error with bitcoind
1536 2011-08-01 22:53:18 <b4epoche> cocoa builds = no wx = no libwxzlib-2.9.a
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1538 2011-08-01 22:54:37 <BlueMatt> but bitcoind and test_bitcoin are no wx
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1540 2011-08-01 22:55:24 <b4epoche> and they don't compile unless I include libz.
1541 2011-08-01 22:55:32 <b4epoche> it's all consistent
1542 2011-08-01 22:55:33 <BlueMatt> which makes no sense
1543 2011-08-01 22:56:15 <b4epoche> no wx means no libwxzlib-2.9.a means no compile without libz
1544 2011-08-01 22:56:45 <b4epoche> with wx means you get libwxzlib-2.9.a means no need for libz
1545 2011-08-01 22:56:46 <BlueMatt> but that means bitcoind and test_bitcoin should compile fine...
1546 2011-08-01 22:57:15 <BlueMatt> can you remove the $(shell...) from DEFS?
1547 2011-08-01 22:57:17 <b4epoche> they're covered by:  no wx means no libwxzlib-2.9.a means no compile without libz
1548 2011-08-01 22:57:19 <BlueMatt> see what happens
1549 2011-08-01 22:57:36 <BlueMatt> but I thought you said bitcoind and test_bitcoin dont compile fine?
1550 2011-08-01 22:57:58 <b4epoche> if you don't add libz, they don't compile…  with libz they compile fine
1551 2011-08-01 22:58:31 <BlueMatt> which makes no sense...
1552 2011-08-01 22:58:41 <BlueMatt> bitcoind and test_bitcoin dont use wx, and thus shouldnt need libz
1553 2011-08-01 22:58:50 <BlueMatt> can you remove the $(shell...) from DEFS?
1554 2011-08-01 22:59:03 <b4epoche> I thought you said libz was needed throughout
1555 2011-08-01 22:59:18 <BlueMatt> libz should never be needed
1556 2011-08-01 22:59:25 <BlueMatt> libcrypto is needed throughout
1557 2011-08-01 22:59:39 <b4epoche> well, it seems libcrypto needs libz
1558 2011-08-01 22:59:51 <BlueMatt> wait, libcrypto needs libwxzlib?
1559 2011-08-01 23:00:07 <b4epoche> it needs some z library
1560 2011-08-01 23:00:21 <b4epoche> it seems libz is not compiled into my libcrypto lib
1561 2011-08-01 23:00:34 <BlueMatt> but not libwxzlib?
1562 2011-08-01 23:00:38 <BlueMatt> just libz
1563 2011-08-01 23:00:49 * BlueMatt is confused as hell here
1564 2011-08-01 23:01:06 <b4epoche> I suspect that libwxzlib is a superset of libz
1565 2011-08-01 23:01:26 <BlueMatt> some wx-bastardized-version no doubt
1566 2011-08-01 23:01:34 <b4epoche> i.e. it provides _zlib_stateful_expand_block, etc
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1568 2011-08-01 23:02:17 <BlueMatt> so wait, just to get this straight, compiling bitcoind and test_bitcoin require the same libs correct?
1569 2011-08-01 23:02:27 <b4epoche> yes
1570 2011-08-01 23:02:41 <BlueMatt> ok, thats what matters...
1571 2011-08-01 23:03:26 <b4epoche> bitcoin (no d) compiles fine because it get the libz from libwxzlib
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1573 2011-08-01 23:03:40 <BlueMatt> ah, ok
1574 2011-08-01 23:03:45 <BlueMatt> makes sense then
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1576 2011-08-01 23:16:30 <xelister> what is this?
1577 2011-08-01 23:16:38 <xelister> 200,000 usd in one file?
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1579 2011-08-01 23:16:58 <xelister> let me just put that file in ONLY COPY on EC2 cloud "/tmp" storage!
1580 2011-08-01 23:17:02 <xelister> really quick
1581 2011-08-01 23:17:19 <xelister> ok customers we don't have your 17000 BTC.        Problem customers :} ?
1582 2011-08-01 23:17:45 <xelister> 1700 posts in thread on polish forum about bitomat.pl bitomating 17000 BTC. lol....
1583 2011-08-01 23:18:11 <BlueMatt> well the guy clearly didnt know a single thing about computers...
1584 2011-08-01 23:18:32 <BlueMatt> no backups, didnt realize rebooting would clear his $HOME
1585 2011-08-01 23:18:32 <xelister> wait lol 1700 posts for 17000 btc. ha every poster should be taxed 10 btc and we're done :P
1586 2011-08-01 23:18:44 <xelister> BlueMatt: he did backup!!!
1587 2011-08-01 23:18:47 <BlueMatt> thats $130 per post...
1588 2011-08-01 23:18:48 <xelister> to the same /tmp storage
1589 2011-08-01 23:18:50 <xelister> problem?
1590 2011-08-01 23:18:52 <BlueMatt> oh god...
1591 2011-08-01 23:18:57 <xelister> :}
1592 2011-08-01 23:19:08 <xelister> Colud computhing. They be hard.
1593 2011-08-01 23:19:24 <xelister> he is suing Amazon btw
1594 2011-08-01 23:19:30 <BlueMatt> lulwut?
1595 2011-08-01 23:19:34 <xelister> he done goofed.
1596 2011-08-01 23:19:48 <xelister> I think now I like "bitomated" more then "goxed"
1597 2011-08-01 23:19:59 <MaggyO> "my server is on the linux, nothing can stop my wallet.dat'
1598 2011-08-01 23:20:03 <xelister> well bitomated is more harsh and terminall goxing
1599 2011-08-01 23:20:14 <BlueMatt> I didnt read the instructions nor anything about how to work on aws, so Im gonna sue you because I screwed myself...
1600 2011-08-01 23:20:16 <BlueMatt> thats smart
1601 2011-08-01 23:20:29 <xelister> hey I never used Cloud Computing...
1602 2011-08-01 23:20:33 <xelister> but HOW HARD CAN IT BE
1603 2011-08-01 23:20:44 <xelister> let me just migrate my 200,000 USD worth files there
1604 2011-08-01 23:20:48 <BlueMatt> nothing wrong with cloud computer but seriously, if you are going to host 17000 btc, RTFM
1605 2011-08-01 23:20:50 <xelister> no need for backups. Look mom no hands!
1606 2011-08-01 23:20:59 <BlueMatt> also, back your damn wallet up
1607 2011-08-01 23:21:09 <xelister> let me just migrate my 200,000 USD worth files there really quick :}
1608 2011-08-01 23:21:25 <xelister> he migrated there his server, and then rebooted it to increase ram since it was "working slowly"
1609 2011-08-01 23:21:38 <xelister> well problem solved now it works fast :don'tCareFace:
1610 2011-08-01 23:21:39 <zeiris> That's got to be a troll.
1611 2011-08-01 23:21:57 <xelister> zeiris: bitomat.pl 3rd biggest bitcoin exchange
1612 2011-08-01 23:22:02 <zeiris> Hahaha.
1613 2011-08-01 23:22:07 * BlueMatt still has the feeling that he didnt fail this hard and just wants to run away with 16000 btc
1614 2011-08-01 23:22:25 <xelister> BlueMatt: Im not sure actually. people stupidity can be astonishing
1615 2011-08-01 23:22:35 <BlueMatt> thats true...
1616 2011-08-01 23:22:45 <xelister> once I know BitCoin developer guy that thought freenet is only for childporn lol
1617 2011-08-01 23:22:49 <xelister> wait that was you :x
1618 2011-08-01 23:22:53 <zeiris> So between MtGox and bitomat, maybe it's time to try an alternative to centralized exchanges?
1619 2011-08-01 23:22:53 <b4epoche> well, wouldn't you be able to tell if he sold them?
1620 2011-08-01 23:22:55 * xelister :don'tCareFace:
1621 2011-08-01 23:23:05 <xelister> zeiris: Open Transactions.
1622 2011-08-01 23:23:10 <BlueMatt> hey, I didnt say only for, I said it was ideal for and currently largely used for...
1623 2011-08-01 23:23:20 <xelister> zeiris: some competent developers are coding webportal for it
1624 2011-08-01 23:23:23 <xelister> zeiris: -----
1625 2011-08-01 23:23:26 <xelister> zeiris:      |
1626 2011-08-01 23:23:29 <xelister> zeiris: <-----
1627 2011-08-01 23:23:36 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: yep, though Id assume anyone smart enough would sit on them for years before spending
1628 2011-08-01 23:23:49 <xelister> I should probably start by rewriting my fucking irc client to handled aart better.
1629 2011-08-01 23:24:02 <zeiris> xelister: I'll look into them. I love the core technology under BTC, but the incompetence of the exchanges is goddamn scary and not confidence-building.
1630 2011-08-01 23:24:09 <xelister> zeiris: indeed
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1632 2011-08-01 23:24:44 <zeiris> Are there any secure, well-made exchanges run by well-informed people who've done so in the past?
1633 2011-08-01 23:24:56 <MaggyO> doublec's NMC ex is good
1634 2011-08-01 23:24:59 <zeiris> There's got to be folks who developed for the financial sector, interested in BTC enough to do that.
1635 2011-08-01 23:25:09 <MaggyO> the problem is with amateur coders just out of high school with no idea about security
1636 2011-08-01 23:25:12 <BlueMatt> none that people are doing full-time
1637 2011-08-01 23:25:27 <BlueMatt> anyone with enough creds is doing something more useful with their time ;)
1638 2011-08-01 23:25:32 <[Tycho]> And people still keep their savings on anynymous sites like mybitcoin. Something bad may happen to them.
1639 2011-08-01 23:25:36 <xelister> zeiris: open transactions is like decentralized pgp-contracts based system for any kind of contract, including options, for gold, silver, BITCOINS, exchanges, or whatever wounderfull ideas. More anon then BTC, faster, more secure (just trust the right issuers, but you can have many of them to ballance out risk)
1640 2011-08-01 23:25:53 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: oh wait...
1641 2011-08-01 23:25:57 <b4epoche> ezl seems to know what he's doing
1642 2011-08-01 23:26:03 <[Tycho]> They just don't learn.
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1644 2011-08-01 23:26:51 <xelister> zeiris: there are
1645 2011-08-01 23:27:04 <xelister> zeiris: my exchange, in 1 month or so =)
1646 2011-08-01 23:27:29 <BlueMatt> xelister: you have previously developed professionally in the financial sector?
1647 2011-08-01 23:27:30 <xelister> zeiris: also I guess britcoin sounds good since the people behing it are afaik cool and technical and shit. (but I do not know it well yet)
1648 2011-08-01 23:27:33 <b4epoche> xelister:  /you/ developed for financial sector?
1649 2011-08-01 23:27:50 <xelister> we are not developing financiall tools to be realistic
1650 2011-08-01 23:27:54 <xelister> just money handling
1651 2011-08-01 23:28:10 <BlueMatt> ...
1652 2011-08-01 23:28:14 * BlueMatt *facepalm*
1653 2011-08-01 23:28:26 <[Tycho]> Initially I wanted to allow people to pay any sum to any address from their deepbit account, but later decided that I don't want to run a bank-like thing.
1654 2011-08-01 23:28:26 <b4epoche> xelister:  you spend far too much time talking about what you're planning to do
1655 2011-08-01 23:28:27 <xelister> that sounded like question about complex financiall plans and shit
1656 2011-08-01 23:29:08 <xelister> BlueMatt: there are more then 1 person involved you know. Getting actuall banking software expert too is a good idea
1657 2011-08-01 23:29:16 <BlueMatt> we are not developing financiall tools to be realistic ...just money handling
1658 2011-08-01 23:29:22 <zeiris> What services does BTC -need-, really?
1659 2011-08-01 23:29:24 <BlueMatt> best...quote...ever
1660 2011-08-01 23:29:26 <xelister> dont be idiot, BlueMatt
1661 2011-08-01 23:29:42 <[Tycho]> Not something serious, just money handling.
1662 2011-08-01 23:29:44 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: probably a good idea
1663 2011-08-01 23:29:55 <BlueMatt> still, money handling is, by definition, financial tools
1664 2011-08-01 23:30:02 <xelister> yea just handling fucking ballances
1665 2011-08-01 23:30:13 <xelister> it's not rocket surgery
1666 2011-08-01 23:30:19 <BlueMatt> I dont care if its a stock broker or not, it needs to have the same care given to it if it handles money
1667 2011-08-01 23:30:22 <b4epoche> xelister:  advice:  if you want anyone to use your exchange it probably ought to not talk here
1668 2011-08-01 23:30:26 <xelister> expect for idiotic mistakes like handling shit as floats or strings etc
1669 2011-08-01 23:30:41 <xelister> it is all about the same security rules as everywhere
1670 2011-08-01 23:30:45 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: +1
1671 2011-08-01 23:30:45 <b4epoche> s/it/you
1672 2011-08-01 23:31:28 <zeiris> The best security is a wallet file that's never written to disk, so people can't steal it from there.
1673 2011-08-01 23:31:40 <BlueMatt> haha
1674 2011-08-01 23:31:52 <xelister> BlueMatt: ok show us technicall difference between writting "financiall software" and writting a very secure and absolutelly error prone software to keep database of ballances with orders how to process them and match them
1675 2011-08-01 23:32:12 * b4epoche just commits his privkeys to memory (his own memory)
1676 2011-08-01 23:32:12 <BlueMatt> the handling of money.
1677 2011-08-01 23:32:23 <xelister> it may sounds stupid, and you are stargin to sound stupid for hanging on that wording I used
1678 2011-08-01 23:32:32 <xelister> but my point was, software experience is needed
1679 2011-08-01 23:32:33 <BlueMatt> by definition, financial software (you need to learn how to spell btw) handles money
1680 2011-08-01 23:32:44 <xelister> not neseserly say some economic degree or shit. more clear now?
1681 2011-08-01 23:33:22 <xelister> BlueMatt: you need to learn to not be picky like that and talk about what obviously people ment to write :)
1682 2011-08-01 23:33:25 <BlueMatt> no, but to write a basic software which handles money in any way, you better be damn good, not just good enough to write good software, but damn good enough to write bug-free software the first time
1683 2011-08-01 23:33:40 <xelister> BlueMatt: yeap that is what I ment
1684 2011-08-01 23:33:45 <zeiris> There's "years of software experience" and "a couple of months of software experience repeatedly over and over".
1685 2011-08-01 23:33:47 <xelister> the fuck entire time so stop being like that =)
1686 2011-08-01 23:33:47 <b4epoche> so, what happens when database says I got 0 BTC and I say it should say I have 1000 BTC?
1687 2011-08-01 23:33:55 <zeiris> Most "software experience" falls into the second category, and is borderline worthless.
1688 2011-08-01 23:33:59 <BlueMatt> well if you cant get your words spelled or written right, I dont think you fit the bill
1689 2011-08-01 23:34:54 <xelister> BlueMatt: pgp signed reciepts. Log of given out reciepts. Log of transfers. Log of transactions at bitcoind level - something lost integroty but can be then reproduced
1690 2011-08-01 23:35:00 <xelister> b4epoche: ^
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1692 2011-08-01 23:35:27 <b4epoche> and when log files go missing?
1693 2011-08-01 23:35:44 <xelister> BlueMatt: u mad bro? Wait, you say that if someone makes typo on some dudes in some chat then he is therefore a bad developer? lol, as op you should not troll like that
1694 2011-08-01 23:36:09 <b4epoche> xelister:  it's all about attention to detail and listening to you here says you don't pay attention to details
1695 2011-08-01 23:36:27 <xelister> b4epoche: users has pgp signed reciepts to protect his side. As for portal side, logs, db, should be properly backedup and replicated
1696 2011-08-01 23:36:36 <BlueMatt> no, Im saying someone who repeatedly makes the same spelling mistake, as well as the same grammatical mistake repeatedly then you dont have the right attention to detail
1697 2011-08-01 23:36:38 * b4epoche forgives xelister's typos since I assume English is not his native language
1698 2011-08-01 23:36:57 <xelister> b4epoche: am I now writting here a software or chatting with 2 incredlibly picky today guys about random shit
1699 2011-08-01 23:37:19 <BlueMatt> there is a difference between spelling something wrong once because you are a non-native speaker and making the same mistake 3 or 4 times after seeing someone else spell it right repeatedly
1700 2011-08-01 23:37:21 <xelister> BlueMatt: well you can not be more wrong about this
1701 2011-08-01 23:37:25 <xelister> BlueMatt: you know c++
1702 2011-08-01 23:37:27 <xelister> right?
1703 2011-08-01 23:37:50 <BlueMatt> what does that have to do with your lack of attention to detail?
1704 2011-08-01 23:37:51 <xelister> some would say it is rather quite hard language and to master it it takes greate mind ;)
1705 2011-08-01 23:38:07 <copumpkin> :o
1706 2011-08-01 23:38:12 <b4epoche> xelister:  how about you tell us your real name and send a link to a CV/resume?
1707 2011-08-01 23:38:12 <BlueMatt> never said Ive mastered C++, I started on it a couple months ago...
1708 2011-08-01 23:38:19 <BlueMatt> I had never done any C++ before then
1709 2011-08-01 23:38:23 <xelister> so there is a guy on IRC (or garl?) <Orbitz>
1710 2011-08-01 23:38:36 <copumpkin> oh, I know him
1711 2011-08-01 23:38:40 <xelister> he is a fucking genious on C++. most guys after 5 years know much less
1712 2011-08-01 23:38:47 <xelister> he also does erlang and shit
1713 2011-08-01 23:38:51 <xelister> so, you know how he types?
1714 2011-08-01 23:38:57 <copumpkin> he hangs out in the haskell channel
1715 2011-08-01 23:39:13 <xelister> heh, here you go a counter prof for your idiotic claim,
1716 2011-08-01 23:39:16 <xelister> .
1717 2011-08-01 23:39:30 <copumpkin> oh, he types badly?
1718 2011-08-01 23:39:33 <xelister> the c++ bot even has a macro "orbitz" that scrambles up letters
1719 2011-08-01 23:39:36 <xelister> you never talked to him?
1720 2011-08-01 23:39:40 <copumpkin> yeah, I have
1721 2011-08-01 23:39:44 <copumpkin> just never noticed :)
1722 2011-08-01 23:39:48 <copumpkin> oddly enough, the c++ bot was written in haskell
1723 2011-08-01 23:40:06 <BlueMatt> difference between someone who types in scrambles and repeatedly makes the same mistakes over and over and argues that one word means something entirely different than it means
1724 2011-08-01 23:40:14 <b4epoche> xelister:  it's not about your typing, it's about your spelling…  I've seen you say 'writting' 3 or 4 times...
1725 2011-08-01 23:40:19 <xelister> [01:35:21] <xelister> nolyc: echo Bitcoin is a cool e-currency. | orbitz
1726 2011-08-01 23:40:21 <xelister> [01:35:22] <nolyc> Biitcon is a cool e-cuercrny.
1727 2011-08-01 23:40:30 <BlueMatt> and my point was really that you are passing off writing an exchange as no big deal
1728 2011-08-01 23:40:30 <jrmithdobbs> i dunno, there's a couple words i mispell over and over again
1729 2011-08-01 23:40:35 <BlueMatt> when, in fact, it handles money
1730 2011-08-01 23:40:38 <copumpkin> oh, that's the other c++ bot
1731 2011-08-01 23:40:45 <BlueMatt> which means it needs to be damn well written
1732 2011-08-01 23:40:45 * copumpkin likes the renault message in nolyc
1733 2011-08-01 23:40:52 <xelister> b4epoche: why are you being asshole now? Is this a fucking irc window where I chill out on a day off, or is this my fucking vim.
1734 2011-08-01 23:40:53 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: it's not a very big deal, it's very simple software assuming you have experienced devs involved (but you know this)
1735 2011-08-01 23:41:15 <b4epoche> xelister:  see my comment above about attention to detail
1736 2011-08-01 23:41:17 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: there is a difference between simple software and trivial software
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1738 2011-08-01 23:41:27 <b4epoche> and where's that resume to prove your credentials?
1739 2011-08-01 23:41:28 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: it is a damn big deal, even if it is simple software
1740 2011-08-01 23:41:39 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: the software is trivial, the function is not, we're agreeing here man
1741 2011-08-01 23:41:42 <xelister> b4epoche: along with satoshis
1742 2011-08-01 23:41:46 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: exactly
1743 2011-08-01 23:42:01 * copumpkin will give out 5 satoshi to the first person to paste his address in here
1744 2011-08-01 23:42:03 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: not clean with your first statement ;)
1745 2011-08-01 23:42:06 * copumpkin is so generous
1746 2011-08-01 23:42:06 <b4epoche> xelister:  nice deflection
1747 2011-08-01 23:42:17 <BlueMatt> .00000005 BTC, omg need to go look up my address
1748 2011-08-01 23:42:22 <copumpkin> BlueMatt: better hurry!
1749 2011-08-01 23:42:29 <xelister> b4epoche: your claims are idiotic
1750 2011-08-01 23:42:32 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: my point is that xelister isnt taking it seriously
1751 2011-08-01 23:42:39 <copumpkin> BlueMatt: that'll be $10k in a few days, don't worry
1752 2011-08-01 23:42:41 <xelister> copumpkin: tis how much now to transfer it anyway... 0.01 ?
1753 2011-08-01 23:42:42 <jrmithdobbs> i didn't read the buffer
1754 2011-08-01 23:42:47 <copumpkin> xelister: yeah :(
1755 2011-08-01 23:42:49 <jrmithdobbs> i have no idea what the current bitchfest is about ;p
1756 2011-08-01 23:42:52 <BlueMatt> he is passing off simple software as something trivial
1757 2011-08-01 23:42:56 <b4epoche> BlueMatt:  it'll never see release so it really doesn't matter
1758 2011-08-01 23:42:59 <xelister> BlueMatt: Im not taking what the fuck serioutly in the fuck?
1759 2011-08-01 23:43:00 <copumpkin> okay, the offer has expired
1760 2011-08-01 23:43:03 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: but the bitomat or whatever guys are fucking idiots
1761 2011-08-01 23:43:11 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: if that's where this originated
1762 2011-08-01 23:43:14 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: no one can debate that
1763 2011-08-01 23:43:18 <BlueMatt> no, I dont think so
1764 2011-08-01 23:43:19 <xelister> BlueMatt is getting on my nerves today.
1765 2011-08-01 23:43:33 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: the ec2 docs tell you in like the first/second paragraph of the getting started doc to NOT DO what they did
1766 2011-08-01 23:43:44 <jrmithdobbs> if tux's fiasco wasn't criminal negligence, this definitely was
1767 2011-08-01 23:43:47 <b4epoche> jrmithdobbs:  but xelister has done and/or said nothing to give us any reason to believe he's better than bitmat guys
1768 2011-08-01 23:43:47 <jrmithdobbs> some people should sue
1769 2011-08-01 23:43:54 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: hehe, well anyone handling that kind of money should at a minimum RTFM
1770 2011-08-01 23:44:12 <xelister> I think that who ever says that typing in some stupid chat is some finall prove of programming skills is retarded and Im rather done repeating this
1771 2011-08-01 23:44:24 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: ya i read their whining and blaming and amazon and then realized what they were talking about and was like "um, wait, i've read those docs, you guys fucked up hardcore!"
1772 2011-08-01 23:44:28 <BlueMatt> no one said it is proof, just evidence
1773 2011-08-01 23:44:38 <xelister> b4epoche: better in what?
1774 2011-08-01 23:44:53 <b4epoche> any smarter at all
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1776 2011-08-01 23:45:03 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: yea, you look at their statement and you are just like...oh god wtf????
1777 2011-08-01 23:45:08 <b4epoche> for all we know, you're 14 yo
1778 2011-08-01 23:45:43 <xelister> b4epoche: for all I care you can go suck a dick
1779 2011-08-01 23:45:57 <xelister> there, a nice constructive discussion
1780 2011-08-01 23:46:00 <jrmithdobbs> b4epoche: what does he run anyways
1781 2011-08-01 23:46:02 <b4epoche> okay, okay, maybe 12 yo
1782 2011-08-01 23:46:07 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: welcome to the internet
1783 2011-08-01 23:46:11 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: let us be your guide
1784 2011-08-01 23:46:33 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: show me the internetz
1785 2011-08-01 23:46:42 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: stfu faggot
1786 2011-08-01 23:46:43 * copumpkin is kind of amazed at the degree of flameyness in all the bitcoin channels
1787 2011-08-01 23:46:47 <b4epoche> jrmithdobbs:  I have no idea…  just claiming he's smarter than everyone else and could write a fail-proof exchange
1788 2011-08-01 23:46:47 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: done and done
1789 2011-08-01 23:47:02 * copumpkin will write you all a fail-proof exchange
1790 2011-08-01 23:47:06 <copumpkin> just give me five years
1791 2011-08-01 23:47:12 <jrmithdobbs> can we write it in clisp?
1792 2011-08-01 23:47:16 <jrmithdobbs> that might be a fun project
1793 2011-08-01 23:47:17 <xelister> b4epoche: hack my exchange, get 100 BTC. bet?
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1795 2011-08-01 23:47:29 * copumpkin assigns comex
1796 2011-08-01 23:47:29 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: what exchange
1797 2011-08-01 23:47:35 <b4epoche> xelister:  your exchange will never be online
1798 2011-08-01 23:47:44 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: the one that will probably operate in up to 2 months
1799 2011-08-01 23:47:54 <xelister> b4epoche: then it's a draw
1800 2011-08-01 23:47:58 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: you going to make good on that 100BTC security vuln bounty?
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1802 2011-08-01 23:48:07 <jrmithdobbs> or filch like everyone else involved with bitcoin?
1803 2011-08-01 23:48:37 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: it would be fun to distribute that bet into say 10 trusted persons to hold
1804 2011-08-01 23:48:41 * copumpkin will prove theorems for btc
1805 2011-08-01 23:48:45 <xelister> (escrow)
1806 2011-08-01 23:48:58 <b4epoche> jrmithdobbs:  I think the better bet would be one about whether it ever goes online
1807 2011-08-01 23:49:07 <jrmithdobbs> b4epoche: heh
1808 2011-08-01 23:49:14 <xelister> perhaps it will not go online
1809 2011-08-01 23:49:20 <xelister> depends on investors
1810 2011-08-01 23:49:22 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: 50BTC says you don't get it online
1811 2011-08-01 23:49:29 <jrmithdobbs> you have 90*24hours starting now
1812 2011-08-01 23:49:35 <jrmithdobbs> I will put my money where my mouth is
1813 2011-08-01 23:49:36 <jrmithdobbs> go
1814 2011-08-01 23:49:42 <copumpkin> man
1815 2011-08-01 23:49:45 <jrmithdobbs> err 60 not 90
1816 2011-08-01 23:49:46 <xelister> ;;getratings jrmithdobbs
1817 2011-08-01 23:49:47 <gribble> Error: "getratings" is not a valid command.
1818 2011-08-01 23:49:51 <xelister> ;;getrating jrmithdobbs
1819 2011-08-01 23:49:52 <gribble> Error: This user has not yet been rated. Currently not authenticated.
1820 2011-08-01 23:49:53 <jrmithdobbs> i don't do otc
1821 2011-08-01 23:49:57 <copumpkin> jrmithdobbs: what are your standards for "online"? that seems risky
1822 2011-08-01 23:50:07 <jrmithdobbs> copumpkin: operational with active trading
1823 2011-08-01 23:50:17 * copumpkin can imagine a thrown together sinatra page that has the basic structure to make things work
1824 2011-08-01 23:50:22 <copumpkin> but will barf under any kind of load :P
1825 2011-08-01 23:50:23 <jrmithdobbs> including all legal hurdles breached
1826 2011-08-01 23:50:27 <copumpkin> ah
1827 2011-08-01 23:50:46 <jrmithdobbs> money must be: depositable, withdrawable, and tradable for btc
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1829 2011-08-01 23:50:55 <jrmithdobbs> btc must be: depositable and withdrawable
1830 2011-08-01 23:50:59 * b4epoche thinks xelister would have a hard time getting a Rick-roll page up
1831 2011-08-01 23:51:01 <jrmithdobbs> orderbook must function
1832 2011-08-01 23:51:21 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: challange accepted ;)  what is your pgp key
1833 2011-08-01 23:51:29 <jrmithdobbs> and function correctly bugfree
1834 2011-08-01 23:51:34 <jrmithdobbs> zero security vulns
1835 2011-08-01 23:51:38 <jrmithdobbs> (these are your claims, after all)
1836 2011-08-01 23:51:44 <copumpkin> rather hard to prove absence of bugs :)
1837 2011-08-01 23:51:46 <BlueMatt> "wait, you want to actually withdraw the btc you put in, lol what a novel concept" - bitomat
1838 2011-08-01 23:51:48 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: define securoty vulnerability more exactly,
1839 2011-08-01 23:51:49 <copumpkin> trust me, I know
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1841 2011-08-01 23:52:08 <copumpkin> (never trust people who say "trust me")
1842 2011-08-01 23:52:08 <xelister> - lossing customer's BTC
1843 2011-08-01 23:52:13 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: any security vulnerability
1844 2011-08-01 23:52:17 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: this was your claim, not mine
1845 2011-08-01 23:52:32 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: anything from xss to sqli to improperly setup host
1846 2011-08-01 23:52:34 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: ok but define it
1847 2011-08-01 23:52:41 <jrmithdobbs> any kind of security issue.
1848 2011-08-01 23:52:47 <zeiris> Timing attack during login leaks information about existance of user accounts... Vulnerability!
1849 2011-08-01 23:52:57 <zeiris> Giev 100BTC
1850 2011-08-01 23:53:03 <BlueMatt> haha
1851 2011-08-01 23:53:07 <jrmithdobbs> zeiris: that would count
1852 2011-08-01 23:53:14 <jrmithdobbs> zeiris: his claims not mine. ;p
1853 2011-08-01 23:53:19 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: ok, "anything that results in BTC being miss-placed, not usable by portal or not usable by customer" right?
1854 2011-08-01 23:53:23 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: no
1855 2011-08-01 23:53:34 <xelister> also leaking sensitive data
1856 2011-08-01 23:53:40 <zeiris> What if it's a password hash that's "miss-placed".
1857 2011-08-01 23:53:45 <zeiris> Oh.
1858 2011-08-01 23:53:59 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: I don't want like "not working when 1000000 people access it at once" to be considered security bug of course.
1859 2011-08-01 23:54:09 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: any type of information (sensitive or not) disclosure, privelege escalation, etc, any well defined security vulnerability
1860 2011-08-01 23:54:14 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: aforementioned timing attack counts
1861 2011-08-01 23:54:34 <xelister> zeiris: neat idea :)
1862 2011-08-01 23:54:38 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: if load causes race conditions to be exploitable that is indeed a security issue.
1863 2011-08-01 23:55:00 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: then it would break even under normal load like 100 people
1864 2011-08-01 23:55:09 <jrmithdobbs> oh so you're backing down now
1865 2011-08-01 23:55:12 <jrmithdobbs> i see.
1866 2011-08-01 23:55:38 <xelister> you thought it means magic server that handles 10000000000 people at once?
1867 2011-08-01 23:55:41 <nanotube> ddos is not a security vulnerability.
1868 2011-08-01 23:55:53 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: should it withstand bombing from orbit too?
1869 2011-08-01 23:56:02 <bitcoinDRdotCom> ddos is just congestion until...
1870 2011-08-01 23:56:03 <jrmithdobbs> hey i'm just asking you to back up your claims
1871 2011-08-01 23:56:19 <xelister> how do you understand this claims
1872 2011-08-01 23:56:21 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: should it withstand bombing from orbit too?
1873 2011-08-01 23:56:23 <b4epoche> xelister:  it should withstand a meltdown of the Polish economy
1874 2011-08-01 23:56:28 <nanotube> let's set up the terms for the features the exchange should have, and what kind of issues count as security vulnerabilities
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1877 2011-08-01 23:56:39 <zeiris> It should handle bombing from orbit gracefully.
1878 2011-08-01 23:56:44 <xelister> b4epoche: sure also pakistanian economy.. no idea what it has to do with anything =)
1879 2011-08-01 23:56:55 <wirehead> is there a preferred iphone app for making bitcoin payments?
1880 2011-08-01 23:56:56 <copumpkin> the exchange should be able to send me my password in an email if I lose
1881 2011-08-01 23:56:57 <copumpkin> it
1882 2011-08-01 23:56:59 <copumpkin> definitely
1883 2011-08-01 23:57:03 <copumpkin> that's #1 feature
1884 2011-08-01 23:57:09 <jrmithdobbs> nanotube: security vuln = any well defined/documented security issue including anything for information disclosure to xss, to priv escalation, etc etc
1885 2011-08-01 23:57:18 <jrmithdobbs> a ddos is not a security issue
1886 2011-08-01 23:57:28 <jrmithdobbs> a ddos that leads to a race condition being exploitable? that is a security issue.
1887 2011-08-01 23:57:31 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: yeap, that makes sense. You see? :) Now put it into some notepad or smth
1888 2011-08-01 23:57:51 <zeiris> The EVE Online approach to solving race conditions is a good case study.
1889 2011-08-01 23:58:01 <xelister> zeiris: url? how they did it
1890 2011-08-01 23:58:12 <zeiris> All major transactions (changing systems/undocking/switching ships) have a 30 second "session change timer". During which you can't initiate a new transaction.
1891 2011-08-01 23:58:30 <zeiris> Unfortunately in large scale combat, latency gets way higher than 30 seconds. Way way higher.
1892 2011-08-01 23:58:45 <zeiris> Commence crazy dupes, multiple deaths, partial deaths, and crazy bugs.
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1894 2011-08-01 23:59:27 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: bbl. stay in touch then
1895 2011-08-01 23:59:50 <nanotube> jrmithdobbs: well, yes, but what we really need to define is the /effect/, not the mechanism. e.g., 'taking someone else's btc', or 'getting someone else's account credentials or information, as a result of a site issue (rather that user stupidity), etc.