1 2011-08-04 00:00:01 <gmaxwell> I don't have the slighest doubt that it will go in, it's just a question of when.
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   3 2011-08-04 00:00:51 <nexes> gmaxwell: Cool. That's actually a bit of a relief, as I was feeling pressured to rush it. :)
   4 2011-08-04 00:01:00 <BlueMatt> I think if you do a pull request that /only/ changes IsStandard, it would make it in very very quickly
   5 2011-08-04 00:01:16 <BlueMatt> but so far, all that has been made is full implementations with rpc calls etc
   6 2011-08-04 00:01:43 <gmaxwell> Well, to be fair, I don't think the IsStandard change would have been accepted without people seeing the latter.
   7 2011-08-04 00:02:02 <BlueMatt> thats a good point
   8 2011-08-04 00:02:21 <nexes> I don't want to step on groffer's toes.
   9 2011-08-04 00:02:23 <gmaxwell> But yea, getting the IsStandard change in pronto is what matters the most, and I agree that its a lot easier to approve than the rest.
  10 2011-08-04 00:02:29 <gmaxwell> nexes: then ask groffer to do it.
  11 2011-08-04 00:02:31 <nexes> Is he planning to put in a pull request for just that?
  12 2011-08-04 00:02:34 <BlueMatt> Im just saying if someone wants it in asap, an exclusively IsStandard change is the way to go
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  14 2011-08-04 00:03:10 <gmaxwell> I think I proposed this on the list. 319
  15 2011-08-04 00:03:13 <gmaxwell> oops
  16 2011-08-04 00:03:40 <nexes> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=CAAS2fgQ-L-1K2Oi40tqnhxpnnWQHqgbd4BmqedhA3WcevYiCzg%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=bitcoin-development
  17 2011-08-04 00:04:37 <BlueMatt> I think the reason no one has responded to that is because no one has a response, not lack of interest
  18 2011-08-04 00:05:07 <BlueMatt> I think many people are interested, but I dont any big changes just make people nervous right now (rightly)
  19 2011-08-04 00:05:19 <gmaxwell> Sure.
  20 2011-08-04 00:05:24 <gmaxwell> I did suggest splitting it.
  21 2011-08-04 00:05:24 <gmaxwell> So I think that makes a good argument for separating out the
  22 2011-08-04 00:05:25 <gmaxwell> IsStandard part of the patch and getting it out in 0.4.
  23 2011-08-04 00:05:42 <Eliel> yes, bitcoin doesn't need more bad news about it right now.
  24 2011-08-04 00:05:42 <BlueMatt> so big changes are pretty much a quick "wait a couple months" result right now
  25 2011-08-04 00:05:59 <gmaxwell> Someone should point that out to groffer, who probably hasn't picked up on the fact that there is great hesitance to rushing into new features.
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 103 2011-08-04 02:29:42 <lfm> bliket_: when was that episode made?
 104 2011-08-04 02:30:00 <bliket_> like a couple hours ago
 105 2011-08-04 02:30:27 <lfm> I thot mybitcoin was gone longer than that
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 108 2011-08-04 02:34:04 <bliket_> yes
 109 2011-08-04 02:34:16 <bliket_> but bruce wagner recently posted a new episode
 110 2011-08-04 02:35:17 <lfm> ya he talking about mybitcoin disapearing "last friday" thats why I asked when was that show made?
 111 2011-08-04 02:37:37 <bliket_> this morning
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 137 2011-08-04 03:14:45 <riush> is there any way to download the bitcoin show? i was using a plugin but it stopped working and i can't find anything that does :/
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 145 2011-08-04 03:28:30 <nanotube> riush: eventually it will be posted on youtube and you can dl it from there...
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 147 2011-08-04 03:29:11 <riush> nanotube, it is on youtube, but they seem to have changed something so no method to download works anymore
 148 2011-08-04 03:29:35 <nanotube> oh well, then yt sucks. what else is new. :)
 149 2011-08-04 03:30:25 <nanotube> riush: have you tried downloadhelper addon for firefox?
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 151 2011-08-04 03:33:05 <riush> yeah, and half a dozen other plugins, youtube-dl.py, fiddling with wget, nothing works anymore :(
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 153 2011-08-04 03:35:15 <cjdelisle> use downloadhelper and just start watching the vid, start the download in downloadhelper, the sownload should just hand at 0%, kill the tab and your download starts.
 154 2011-08-04 03:35:26 <cjdelisle> *gang at 0%
 155 2011-08-04 03:35:35 <cjdelisle> fuck   *hang
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 158 2011-08-04 03:38:16 <riush> yay, it works!
 159 2011-08-04 03:38:23 <riush> thanks cjdelisle :)
 160 2011-08-04 03:39:08 <riush> but now i need that **** flash player - previously UnPlug could do it without...
 161 2011-08-04 03:40:51 <cjdelisle> yea, my flash is broke so I have an old firefox I use when I need flash (to get muh flvs)
 162 2011-08-04 03:41:08 <riush> heh
 163 2011-08-04 03:42:37 <riush> tomorrow i'll ask bruce if he couldn't make a torrent :)
 164 2011-08-04 03:45:27 <cjdelisle> you could make a torrent now
 165 2011-08-04 03:45:30 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 3000
 166 2011-08-04 03:45:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1888786.7053531 , is 85 years, 38 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 46 minutes, and 16 seconds
 167 2011-08-04 03:46:25 <bliket_> thats about how long we are all going to live for
 168 2011-08-04 03:48:28 <nanotube> bliket_: speak for yourself, i'm counting on at least 300.
 169 2011-08-04 03:48:47 <bliket_> with the advances in modern science?
 170 2011-08-04 03:49:22 <nanotube> yes, advances in modern science, and sheer wishful thinking
 171 2011-08-04 03:49:38 <bliket_> Lucius Washington: You're not gonna live forever. Ricky Bobby: No one lives forever, no one. But with advances in modern science and my high level income, it's not crazy to think I can live to be 245, maybe 300. Heck, I just read in the newspaper that they put a pig heart in some guy from Russia. Do you know what that means? Lucius Washington: No, I don't know what that means. I guess longer life. Ricky Bobby: No, he didn't liv
 172 2011-08-04 03:50:08 <nanotube> your msg got cut off at "he didn't liv"
 173 2011-08-04 03:50:17 <bliket_> Ricky Bobby: No, he didn't live. It's just exciting that we're trying things like that.
 174 2011-08-04 03:51:22 <nanotube> heh
 175 2011-08-04 03:51:33 * bliket_ 's favorite movie
 176 2011-08-04 03:52:40 <lfm> when you said 98 is about how long we are all goinf to live for, thats wrong, most people do not die at 86, thats just the average (for the usa?)
 177 2011-08-04 03:52:48 <lfm> when you said 98 is about how long we are all goinf to live for, thats wrong, most people do not die at 86, thats just the average (for the usa?)98 -> 85
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 179 2011-08-04 03:54:20 <lfm> hsould I try again or do you know what I was trying to say yet
 180 2011-08-04 03:54:25 <bliket_> try again
 181 2011-08-04 03:54:33 <bliket_> i sitll dont know what's going on
 182 2011-08-04 03:54:36 <bliket_> still*
 183 2011-08-04 03:55:00 <lfm> when you said 85 is about how long we are all going to live for, thats wrong, most people do not die at 85, thats just the average (for the usa?)
 184 2011-08-04 03:55:21 <bliket_> the average for somolia is like 35
 185 2011-08-04 03:55:35 <bliket_> why all this nevativity towards the usa?
 186 2011-08-04 03:56:06 <bliket_> its like saying, "oh my car just died" "do you live in the usa?" "yes" "oh yeah in the usa cars die faster then anywhere else in the world"
 187 2011-08-04 03:56:15 <Diablo-D3> uh
 188 2011-08-04 03:56:18 <Diablo-D3> but they do
 189 2011-08-04 03:56:22 <Diablo-D3> fucking E85 regulation shit
 190 2011-08-04 03:56:24 <lfm> no, just saying people see the average life span is 85 then they are suprized when they die earleir OR later.
 191 2011-08-04 03:56:29 <Diablo-D3> corn == bad for cars.
 192 2011-08-04 03:56:42 <bliket_> i use vegetable oil in my car
 193 2011-08-04 03:56:51 <Diablo-D3> lol biodiesel
 194 2011-08-04 03:56:54 <bliket_> i just put it on my body whenever i go somewhere
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 196 2011-08-04 03:59:09 <lfm> in fact mayne only 2 percent of people die when theyre 85 most dont
 197 2011-08-04 03:59:39 <bliket_> how about michael jackson
 198 2011-08-04 03:59:42 <bliket_> he died when he was 50
 199 2011-08-04 03:59:47 <bliket_> and he had a high level of income
 200 2011-08-04 04:00:15 <lfm> ya I died when I was 50 too but I was poorer than micheal jackson
 201 2011-08-04 04:00:55 <Diablo-D3> micheal jackson didnt _die_ die though
 202 2011-08-04 04:00:59 <Diablo-D3> he died from a drug overdose
 203 2011-08-04 04:01:12 <lfm> in fact I think most people die when they are 50, that proves it
 204 2011-08-04 04:02:10 <bliket_> michael jackson did die
 205 2011-08-04 04:02:12 <lfm> amy winehouse died from drugs too  so most people die from drugs
 206 2011-08-04 04:02:23 <bliket_> he did died he died when he did die
 207 2011-08-04 04:02:59 <Diablo-D3> dude
 208 2011-08-04 04:03:15 <Diablo-D3> chuck norris is the leading cause of death
 209 2011-08-04 04:03:28 <bliket_> oh great this old meme again
 210 2011-08-04 04:04:27 <bliket_> Diablo-D3: catch up with the times Nyan Cat [original] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4
 211 2011-08-04 04:04:57 <Diablo-D3> bliket_: you missed it when nyan cat had a nyan cat time bar on youtube.
 212 2011-08-04 04:04:57 <bliket_> oh cool
 213 2011-08-04 04:05:12 <bliket_> youtube has a reactions drop down box
 214 2011-08-04 04:05:45 <bliket_> funny- 56, incredible 291, classic 27, cute 49, what? 165, ouch 15
 215 2011-08-04 04:05:47 <lfm> nyan cat kicks chuck noris' but. chuck noris calls nyan cat "master"
 216 2011-08-04 04:06:34 <bliket_> "incredible" and "what?" come in as two of the top choices for a reaction to the nyan cat video
 217 2011-08-04 04:07:31 <bliket_> can u post the lyrics???? - 5thkie  6 seconds ago
 218 2011-08-04 04:07:32 <bliket_> lol
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 228 2011-08-04 04:27:42 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rb346e4a / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Improved error handling, improved roll ntime disabling support - https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/b346e4a2265e9cf56006b8336ad0866b9febd91e https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/b346e4a2265e9cf56006b8336ad0866b9febd91e
 229 2011-08-04 04:30:39 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rbb69d1b / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Changed LP hard timeout to 5 minutes - https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/bb69d1be6429cc665572a1226ace90ba360b83f0 https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/bb69d1be6429cc665572a1226ace90ba360b83f0
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 232 2011-08-04 04:39:05 <aviadbd> hey guys
 233 2011-08-04 04:39:20 <aviadbd> When I'm sending "getwork" as jsonrpc to Eligius, I get new work - so far so good.
 234 2011-08-04 04:39:36 <aviadbd> When I sent the same method with params containing the work done (fake work, just for testing), I get nothing in response.
 235 2011-08-04 04:39:46 <aviadbd> Shouldn't I get a response saying that work is invalid or something?
 236 2011-08-04 04:39:54 <aviadbd> (I get an empty response body)
 237 2011-08-04 04:40:14 <doublec> yes, you should get a response in JSON format
 238 2011-08-04 04:40:22 <aviadbd> so what am I doing wrong?
 239 2011-08-04 04:40:35 <doublec> are you sure you are sending the correct JSON data?
 240 2011-08-04 04:41:04 <doublec> possibly eligius is ignoring getwork submissions for work it never farmed out
 241 2011-08-04 04:41:05 <aviadbd> This is what I'm sending:
 242 2011-08-04 04:41:16 <aviadbd> {"jsonrpc": "1.0", "id":"bitcoin", "method": "getwork", "params": [ work ] }
 243 2011-08-04 04:41:38 <doublec> I assume 'work' is a string?
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 245 2011-08-04 04:41:45 <aviadbd> no no, it's work that Eligius sent to me
 246 2011-08-04 04:41:51 <aviadbd> I just send something that doesn't match the target.
 247 2011-08-04 04:42:03 <aviadbd> Yes, work is a 160 characters string .
 248 2011-08-04 04:42:12 <aviadbd> It's a real header - just one that doesn't match the target.
 249 2011-08-04 04:42:49 <lfm> so what response are you expecting?
 250 2011-08-04 04:42:52 <doublec> looks like you're doing things right
 251 2011-08-04 04:43:25 <aviadbd> The cg-miner is getting a response like this for success:  {"id":1,"error":null,"result":true}
 252 2011-08-04 04:43:31 <aviadbd> I expect something similar, with false as result.
 253 2011-08-04 04:43:59 <aviadbd> Oh, and I'm also sending an authentication header, just like when I'm getting a new work.
 254 2011-08-04 04:44:04 <aviadbd> (in case you're wondering)
 255 2011-08-04 04:44:10 <aviadbd> but are there other HTTP headers I should send ?
 256 2011-08-04 04:44:24 <lfm> user password?
 257 2011-08-04 04:44:55 <aviadbd> lfm: yep. User is the account and password is "x", like in the Eligius instructions.
 258 2011-08-04 04:45:06 <aviadbd> (it says pass can be anything - so I just placed x)
 259 2011-08-04 04:48:30 <aviadbd> any ideas?
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 273 2011-08-04 05:26:42 <Forexmasterja> hello anyone home
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 276 2011-08-04 05:29:15 <Forexmasterja> I have a friend I was telling about bitcoin and he posed some interesting questions and was very negative about it, He said the system is designed as a way to break or as he would call it create a database of sha256 hashes that would allow the encryption to be eventually cracked, and essentially breaking ssl and a whole bunch of other security features worldwide is this even possible ?
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 278 2011-08-04 05:30:58 <jeremias> lol, he doesn't obviously get encryption
 279 2011-08-04 05:31:08 <jeremias> Forexmasterja: it's not possible
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 284 2011-08-04 05:36:01 <Forexmasterja> jeremias could u explain ?
 285 2011-08-04 05:37:58 <Forexmasterja> Is not possible that we could be creating a database of total possible sha256 combination hashes to create a rainbowtable of sorts to hack sha256 ?
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 287 2011-08-04 05:41:55 <jeremias> Forexmasterja: well, if you are google or microsoft you can try doing something like that with all the computer power/capacity you have
 288 2011-08-04 05:42:04 <jeremias> it would still probably be failure
 289 2011-08-04 05:42:15 <jeremias> because you would need a fucking big database
 290 2011-08-04 05:42:30 <Forexmasterja> size doesnt matter really
 291 2011-08-04 05:43:05 <Forexmasterja> storage is not all that expensive
 292 2011-08-04 05:43:20 <jeremias> hmm
 293 2011-08-04 05:43:28 <Forexmasterja> all i want to know is if the concept has any merit at all ?
 294 2011-08-04 05:43:44 <jeremias> do you fucking get how many hashes you would need to create in order to brute-force a bitcoin address
 295 2011-08-04 05:43:55 <jeremias> there isn't any merit in that concept
 296 2011-08-04 05:44:06 <jeremias> just google sha-256 collision
 297 2011-08-04 05:44:08 <Forexmasterja> is the sha256 that bitcoin is hashing any different than a transaction encrpted in ssl using sha256 ?
 298 2011-08-04 05:44:12 <jeremias> or something
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 300 2011-08-04 05:44:36 <jeremias> http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27277.0
 301 2011-08-04 05:45:01 <Forexmasterja> i'm not really that verse on all the technicals, i'm just asking, i really hope none of what i'm asking even makes sense
 302 2011-08-04 05:45:38 <jeremias> well, i'm not in a mood of explaining it further
 303 2011-08-04 05:45:44 <jeremias> just fucking google it
 304 2011-08-04 05:45:50 <jeremias> but "The size of the 160 bit SHA-1 key space is in the same order of magnitude as the number of atoms in the Earth (~10^50)"
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 306 2011-08-04 05:47:05 <Forexmasterja> i got that part ....
 307 2011-08-04 05:47:27 <forrestv> Forexmasterja, only one of every 7 million billion hashes is permanently stored
 308 2011-08-04 05:47:38 <Forexmasterja> so just tell him it is impossible to even store a database of that size
 309 2011-08-04 05:47:43 <forrestv> there is no database
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 325 2011-08-04 06:27:30 <Diablo-D3> hrm
 326 2011-08-04 06:27:44 <Diablo-D3> with sdk 2.5 I get 373 mhash, which isnt bad
 327 2011-08-04 06:29:33 <RealSolid> on Geforce 2MX ?
 328 2011-08-04 06:29:45 <Diablo-D3> RealSolid: lol
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 330 2011-08-04 06:35:06 <RealSolid> Diablo-D3: you going to new york for this conference thing?
 331 2011-08-04 06:35:19 <RealSolid> apparently all the bitcoin movers and shakers will be there
 332 2011-08-04 06:35:25 <Diablo-D3> no.
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 334 2011-08-04 06:35:44 <RealSolid> do you have a valid reason? youll need a doctors note
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 336 2011-08-04 06:35:51 <Diablo-D3> I dont do cons.
 337 2011-08-04 06:36:14 <RealSolid> why not , its a good place for the feds to photograph you
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 339 2011-08-04 06:36:23 <Diablo-D3> exactly.
 340 2011-08-04 06:36:47 <RealSolid> when you gather all your enemies into one room its easy to have a muslim blow himself up there
 341 2011-08-04 06:36:54 <RealSolid> muslim/cruise missile, same thing
 342 2011-08-04 06:37:04 <copumpkin> funny
 343 2011-08-04 06:37:10 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but muslims are not fired out of a submarine.
 344 2011-08-04 06:37:13 <Diablo-D3> well, often, anyways.
 345 2011-08-04 06:37:25 <RealSolid> the new ones can fire muslims
 346 2011-08-04 06:37:29 <RealSolid> the DT-320a
 347 2011-08-04 06:38:11 <RealSolid> someone promoting bitcoins in this day is a bit like jesus going through the market in his times, upsetting all the jews
 348 2011-08-04 06:38:22 <RealSolid> someones going to get nailed to a cross here
 349 2011-08-04 06:42:24 <Diablo-D3> okay so, sdk 2.4 does 372
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 358 2011-08-04 06:55:57 <RealSolid> they need to fix the 100% cpu usage issue
 359 2011-08-04 06:56:00 <RealSolid> in opencl
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 361 2011-08-04 06:58:37 <Diablo-D3> RealSolid: it only effects windows uers
 362 2011-08-04 06:58:40 <Diablo-D3> *users
 363 2011-08-04 06:58:49 <Diablo-D3> they fixed the 2.2/2.3 bug already
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 372 2011-08-04 07:09:03 <RealSolid> Diablo-D3: and?
 373 2011-08-04 07:09:16 <RealSolid> they should still fix it :P
 374 2011-08-04 07:10:02 <Diablo-D3> sure, but serious miners use linux ;)
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 377 2011-08-04 07:12:10 <RealSolid> why
 378 2011-08-04 07:12:17 <Diablo-D3> faster, less trouble
 379 2011-08-04 07:12:23 <RealSolid> because they have the low installs for headerless action
 380 2011-08-04 07:12:40 <RealSolid> are you a serious miner?
 381 2011-08-04 07:12:48 <Diablo-D3> I wrote the most used miner.
 382 2011-08-04 07:13:01 <RealSolid> pocblm?
 383 2011-08-04 07:13:06 <Diablo-D3> diablominer.
 384 2011-08-04 07:13:22 <RealSolid> nice
 385 2011-08-04 07:13:26 <RealSolid> in java?
 386 2011-08-04 07:13:29 <Diablo-D3> yes
 387 2011-08-04 07:13:44 <RealSolid> i guess it doesnt really matter its not C++ in this instance, per se
 388 2011-08-04 07:14:16 <RealSolid> isnt it a bit more overhead having to load java for the miners though?
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 394 2011-08-04 07:36:46 <coderrr> did anyone see kaminsky's talk ?
 395 2011-08-04 07:37:03 <ThomasV> coderrr: url ?
 396 2011-08-04 07:37:52 <coderrr> http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/2240039221/Black-Hat-2011-Dan-Kaminsky-reveals-network-security-research-topics
 397 2011-08-04 07:37:53 <coderrr> ThomasV,
 398 2011-08-04 07:38:35 <ThomasV> ty
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 401 2011-08-04 07:41:14 <coderrr> my guess is its just linking inputs of tx's
 402 2011-08-04 07:42:32 <ThomasV> yes
 403 2011-08-04 07:42:45 <ThomasV> I see  no other way
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 405 2011-08-04 07:50:07 <moa7> blitcoin
 406 2011-08-04 07:50:09 <moa7> oops
 407 2011-08-04 07:50:48 <doublec> google didn't find anything when I looked
 408 2011-08-04 07:51:39 <moa7> guess strong anonymity is next iteration
 409 2011-08-04 07:52:00 <coderrr> yea i can't find anything about it anywhere :[
 410 2011-08-04 07:52:33 <coderrr> maybe itll increase uptake of my patch
 411 2011-08-04 07:53:30 <RealSolid> inputs of txs?
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 413 2011-08-04 07:54:19 <coderrr> RealSolid, like if you send me bitcoin from addr1 and addr2, everyone knows the same person controls addr1 and addr2, and i know its you that control them
 414 2011-08-04 07:54:38 <coderrr> and then i can recursively link any other transactions that have used addr1 or addr2 as inputs
 415 2011-08-04 07:56:02 <coderrr> and potentially get a list of many/every bitcoin address you control
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 423 2011-08-04 08:14:14 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r2fd2b9c / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Make roll ntime disabling even more paranoid, change LP timeout back to ... https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/2fd2b9cb9b62c96825acce1206e9af1d90ecc5a6
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 437 2011-08-04 08:35:29 <RealSolid> hashing power seems to be dropping
 438 2011-08-04 08:38:30 <mtrlt> it's random variation.
 439 2011-08-04 08:38:41 <mtrlt> if this continues for a day, you can say that
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 441 2011-08-04 08:39:05 <RealSolid> random variation?
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 443 2011-08-04 08:39:18 <RealSolid> its nearly a week low
 444 2011-08-04 08:39:20 <hugolp> RealSolid: btcguild is having bad luck
 445 2011-08-04 08:39:25 <hugolp> for example
 446 2011-08-04 08:39:40 <RealSolid> im talking about the pie graph on bitcoinwatch.com
 447 2011-08-04 08:39:45 <RealSolid> and network graph
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 450 2011-08-04 08:41:15 <hugolp> RealSolid: me too
 451 2011-08-04 08:41:31 <RealSolid> what does badluck have to do with their total hashing power?
 452 2011-08-04 08:42:05 <hugolp> how do you think the speed is calculated?
 453 2011-08-04 08:43:17 <RealSolid> number of shares being recvd?
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 456 2011-08-04 08:44:16 <hugolp> RealSolid: but only the pools know that, they could lie (to appear bigger than they are so they attract more users) and even the shares have a random compenent
 457 2011-08-04 08:44:21 <hugolp> *component
 458 2011-08-04 08:44:23 <RealSolid> true
 459 2011-08-04 08:44:34 <RealSolid> i didnt think too much about it, so its calculated on blocks solved?
 460 2011-08-04 08:44:49 <hugolp> RealSolid: I believe so.
 461 2011-08-04 08:45:03 <hugolp> actually I have never confirmed it but I always assumed so
 462 2011-08-04 08:45:17 <RealSolid> that seems rather unreliable
 463 2011-08-04 08:45:33 <hugolp> thats why the graph has so many ups and downs
 464 2011-08-04 08:45:48 <hugolp> do you think the people turn on and off their miners that much?
 465 2011-08-04 08:46:03 <hugolp> if you can think on a more reliable way, Im sure everybody will be happy
 466 2011-08-04 08:46:07 <RealSolid> no i just thought the individuals trying it out or whatnot comes in swings
 467 2011-08-04 08:47:29 <hugolp> there is probably some of that, but I doubt changes from 10,000 Terahashs to 15,000 Terahash in the same day is people trying Bitcoin.
 468 2011-08-04 08:48:08 <hugolp> there is actually no way to know how much of the changes is due to luck and how much is due to real change on speed
 469 2011-08-04 08:48:21 <hugolp> thats why mtrlt said you need more time to know
 470 2011-08-04 08:50:01 <RealSolid> yah
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 575 2011-08-04 12:22:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 139584 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 1535 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 2 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1990972.85701868
 576 2011-08-04 12:27:13 <jeremias> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2845551
 577 2011-08-04 12:27:17 <jeremias> upvote plz ;)
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 615 2011-08-04 13:42:31 <b4epoche_> is there some place to get the raw exchange rate history?
 616 2011-08-04 13:44:05 <Zoiah> b4epoche_: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/about/markets-api/
 617 2011-08-04 13:44:11 <Zoiah> "Historic Trade Data"
 618 2011-08-04 13:44:40 <b4epoche_> thanks
 619 2011-08-04 13:44:58 <xelister> !ticker
 620 2011-08-04 13:45:05 <xelister> ;;ticker
 621 2011-08-04 13:45:06 <gribble> Best bid: 11, Best ask: 11.03, Bid-ask spread: 0.03, Last trade: 11, 24 hour volume: 108222, 24 hour low: 8.7, 24 hour high: 11.7
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 624 2011-08-04 13:56:36 <b4epoche_> hmm...
 625 2011-08-04 13:56:37 <b4epoche_> http://bitcoincharts.com/t/trades.csv?symbol=mtgoxUSD&start=0
 626 2011-08-04 13:56:49 <b4epoche_> is only going back a few days
 627 2011-08-04 13:57:14 <b4epoche_> I'm not looking for a history of every trade, just like a 'closing' prices per day.
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 633 2011-08-04 14:02:17 <nanotube> b4epoche_: talk to bitcoincharts owner :P
 634 2011-08-04 14:02:36 <b4epoche_> is he around here?
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 637 2011-08-04 14:03:43 <b4epoche_> ah
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 641 2011-08-04 14:07:27 <kokjo> hi there!
 642 2011-08-04 14:07:43 <nanotube> o/
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 644 2011-08-04 14:09:38 <kokjo> will bitcoin be able to scale worldwide? i mean will the miners be able to include all the transactions made the last 10 min? there are going to be a HUGH amount of data in every block, is this going to be a weekness for bitcoin?
 645 2011-08-04 14:10:45 <lianj> yes
 646 2011-08-04 14:10:45 <Zoiah> kokjo: the complexity of mining is not affected by the amount of outstanding transactions.
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 648 2011-08-04 14:11:41 <kokjo> Zoiah: i do know that. is it more a amount of data transfered in every block, that is the problem
 649 2011-08-04 14:11:53 <lianj> Zoiah: not for the mining task, but the preparation of that task and sending out results would be a problem
 650 2011-08-04 14:12:12 <kokjo> lianj: excactly
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 652 2011-08-04 14:14:40 <kokjo> is there a way around this weekness? would it be possible to make say 10 blockchains. with every one generating 1 block every 10min. and therefor one block every 1 min. as somesort of load-balancing?
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 654 2011-08-04 14:16:09 <gmaxwell> http://pident.artefact2.com/tx/b118b3f22517a295e0634818e1692915005ad3b959ce685c78e082a3916e7693  < hm, thats a rather obnoxious txn.
 655 2011-08-04 14:16:42 <gmaxwell> kokjo: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability
 656 2011-08-04 14:16:46 <lianj> kokjo: not sure. i think on a world scale even 1 min blocks would become too large
 657 2011-08-04 14:17:45 <kokjo> then make 256 chains. the transactions could also be sorted by the first byte in the tx-hash?
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 659 2011-08-04 14:18:59 <lianj> then the distributed agreeing part gets out of control
 660 2011-08-04 14:19:07 <kokjo> esensialy generating block, is only to comfirm that something exsisted at least x time ago. and that is ensured by every block on top of another
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 662 2011-08-04 14:19:52 <gmaxwell> The consensus algorithim is insecure if split to excessively.
 663 2011-08-04 14:20:22 <gmaxwell> In any case, go read the scalability page.
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 665 2011-08-04 14:20:41 <kokjo> consensus algoritm?
 666 2011-08-04 14:20:49 <gmaxwell> kokjo: also, what you're suggesting wouldn't help— it's the same amount of data no matter how many ways you cut it.
 667 2011-08-04 14:21:01 <gmaxwell> Oh, and apparently you need to read the bitcoin paper too.
 668 2011-08-04 14:22:48 <kokjo> gmaxwell: yes i would help. it would spread the load of transfering the blocks
 669 2011-08-04 14:23:33 <gmaxwell> kokjo: No, it wouldn't.
 670 2011-08-04 14:23:53 <gmaxwell> You can't validate a block without knowing that none of its inputs were spent in a prior block.
 671 2011-08-04 14:24:14 <gmaxwell> So nodes would still need to have all the data to validate a new block.
 672 2011-08-04 14:24:50 <kokjo> gmaxwell: i have read the paper. the thing that block generation is used for is to ensure that something exsisted at a specific time.
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 675 2011-08-04 14:25:20 <gmaxwell> Or, more importantly, didn't exist.
 676 2011-08-04 14:25:34 <gmaxwell> And it's a distributed consensus algorithim for this purpose.
 677 2011-08-04 14:26:03 <kokjo> of cource they need all the data. but by spreading it between 256 block, instead of just one. would make it esier the transfer.
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 679 2011-08-04 14:26:34 <gmaxwell> kokjo: transfering data is perfectly linear in cost.
 680 2011-08-04 14:26:35 <lianj> why, you still have to fetch them all
 681 2011-08-04 14:29:38 <kokjo> gmaxwell: yes the price is the same. but with 256 chains, you connection would be used a little all the time, instead of 146% in a short period of time.
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 683 2011-08-04 14:30:29 <gmaxwell> kokjo: then rate limit your sending of the data.
 684 2011-08-04 14:31:10 <gmaxwell> (Also, if blocks grow larger there isn't any reason why it couldn't transfer them more efficiently, e.g. just the header and hashes, then refill missing transactions)
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 686 2011-08-04 14:31:41 <kokjo> and then the data will be delayed. making spilts and orphan blocks.
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 689 2011-08-04 14:32:25 <kokjo> gmaxwell: the current client does not allow transfering single "old" transactions
 690 2011-08-04 14:32:45 <jrmithdobbs> ya it does it just doesn't advertise them
 691 2011-08-04 14:32:56 <gmaxwell> Sure it does.
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 695 2011-08-04 14:33:21 <gmaxwell> In any case the current client is irrelevant.
 696 2011-08-04 14:33:44 <jrmithdobbs> can i quote you (out of context) on that? ;p
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 698 2011-08-04 14:34:13 <kokjo> gmaxwell: true the client is irelevant. but i can't get it to transfer single "old" txs.
 699 2011-08-04 14:34:17 <gmaxwell> You're proposing some very non-trivial modification to the core algorithim, surely a far simpler and completely compatible modification to the on the wire protocol is at least a viable.
 700 2011-08-04 14:34:19 <kokjo> try it yourself.
 701 2011-08-04 14:35:02 <kokjo> true
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 705 2011-08-04 14:41:40 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: no it doesnt send old transactions, at least not in my tests
 706 2011-08-04 14:42:08 <lianj> people keep saying that there all the time but it does not send you old single txs
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 708 2011-08-04 14:42:33 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: does yubico post physical specs/tolerances anywhere? I can't find any
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 710 2011-08-04 14:44:10 <gmaxwell> lianj: how are you testing?
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 720 2011-08-04 14:54:05 <lianj> gmaxwell: i send a getdata tx for an old tx with my lib and wait for the tx reply which never comes
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 724 2011-08-04 14:58:59 <Blitzboom> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34383.msg428052#new
 725 2011-08-04 15:01:14 <lianj> Blitzboom: …
 726 2011-08-04 15:01:27 <Blitzboom> what?
 727 2011-08-04 15:01:52 <lianj> kaminsky
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 741 2011-08-04 15:23:48 <diki> so i requested a payout of 0.07 btc from deepbit. It's been 5+ hours and it's still 0/unconfirmed
 742 2011-08-04 15:23:52 <diki> any reasons to that?
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 751 2011-08-04 15:33:33 <denisx> hah, I cheated the poolhoppers into my pool but my shares are already over 50% ;)
 752 2011-08-04 15:34:03 <diki> hmm? cheat?
 753 2011-08-04 15:34:06 <diki> do explain
 754 2011-08-04 15:34:22 <denisx> the jump on the number of shares, must be low
 755 2011-08-04 15:34:39 <denisx> so I faked my stats for them! ;)
 756 2011-08-04 15:35:11 <diki> which pool was that again?
 757 2011-08-04 15:35:34 <denisx> does not matter ;)
 758 2011-08-04 15:35:42 <diki> maybe i want to join
 759 2011-08-04 15:35:46 <gmaxwell> denisx: how much hash rate did you manage to gain by doing that?
 760 2011-08-04 15:35:55 <denisx> 10GH/s
 761 2011-08-04 15:36:04 <denisx> my pool is small, so that is a lot
 762 2011-08-04 15:36:08 <gmaxwell> thats pretty good!
 763 2011-08-04 15:36:21 <diki> name?
 764 2011-08-04 15:36:26 <diki> i could prolly join
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 770 2011-08-04 15:40:41 <jtaylor> only 10 :O
 771 2011-08-04 15:40:47 <jtaylor> there are around 300ghs hoppers out there
 772 2011-08-04 15:41:25 <denisx> jtaylor: my pool has only 40GH/s without hoppers
 773 2011-08-04 15:44:59 <jtaylor> rfcpool only has 30 when its past 50% but jumps to 200 when its lower ^^
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 776 2011-08-04 15:46:27 <denisx> jtaylor: and your users are not complaining?
 777 2011-08-04 15:46:36 <jtaylor> its not my pool
 778 2011-08-04 15:46:49 <jtaylor> but it offers pps for the non hoppers
 779 2011-08-04 15:47:11 <jtaylor> + its one of the 0 stale pools which is nice too
 780 2011-08-04 15:47:38 <diki> there is no such thing as a 0 stale pool
 781 2011-08-04 15:47:49 <imsaguy2> yes there is, they just pay for stales
 782 2011-08-04 15:47:57 <jtaylor> effectively 0
 783 2011-08-04 15:48:01 <jtaylor> its 0.1% or so
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 785 2011-08-04 15:48:09 <diki> how much do you pay for stales?
 786 2011-08-04 15:48:12 <diki> deepbit does 2 percent
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 788 2011-08-04 15:48:25 <jtaylor> 2% stales?
 789 2011-08-04 15:48:34 <diki> pays 2 percent per stale
 790 2011-08-04 15:48:45 <imsaguy2> stale shares vs stale blocks
 791 2011-08-04 15:48:56 <diki> stale shares
 792 2011-08-04 15:49:12 <diki> and what you just said was one and the same
 793 2011-08-04 15:49:13 <jtaylor> but how many stales are there?
 794 2011-08-04 15:49:21 <diki> share == block
 795 2011-08-04 15:49:31 <imsaguy2> not if the pool is handing out dif 1 shares
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 797 2011-08-04 15:49:42 <diki> doesnt matter what it hands out
 798 2011-08-04 15:49:50 <diki> the difficulty doesnt matter
 799 2011-08-04 15:49:56 <jtaylor> it matters concerning the payout
 800 2011-08-04 15:49:57 <diki> in fact, in phoenix it doesnt play any roles
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 802 2011-08-04 15:50:08 <imsaguy2> you're missing the point diki
 803 2011-08-04 15:50:09 <jtaylor> a share that solves a block gets payed the same as one that does not on most pools
 804 2011-08-04 15:50:19 <diki> but a share IS a block
 805 2011-08-04 15:50:23 <jtaylor> no
 806 2011-08-04 15:50:25 <denisx> diki: no
 807 2011-08-04 15:50:27 <imsaguy2> perhaps, but in this reference its idfferent
 808 2011-08-04 15:50:30 <diki> Yes it is dudes
 809 2011-08-04 15:50:33 <jtaylor> only 1/diff shares solves a block
 810 2011-08-04 15:50:46 <jtaylor> but a solving share is a block if you like
 811 2011-08-04 15:50:48 <jtaylor> its all just words
 812 2011-08-04 15:50:57 <diki> the proper word would be getwork
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 814 2011-08-04 15:50:59 <imsaguy2> if the pool submits a block that turns up invalid is a different set of stale than a diff 1 block that ends up being stale
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 819 2011-08-04 15:55:47 <diki> anywho, which pool is that jtaylor?
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 821 2011-08-04 15:56:21 <jtaylor> https://www.rfcpool.com/
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 825 2011-08-04 15:57:04 <diki> 1.5%+ donators are paid for their share of invalid blocks (even though we're not!)
 826 2011-08-04 15:57:17 <diki> i dont understand this part (even though we're not!)
 827 2011-08-04 15:57:39 <Caesium> an invalid block generates no BTC
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 829 2011-08-04 15:57:44 <Caesium> so the pool isn't paid for it.
 830 2011-08-04 15:57:54 <Caesium> sorry, it's probably not clear, I'll try and reword it
 831 2011-08-04 15:58:50 <Caesium> or just remove it entirely, maybe it's not needed, I guess most people know invalids generate no btc anyway
 832 2011-08-04 15:59:03 <diki> but you say that you pay for invalid shares
 833 2011-08-04 15:59:12 <Caesium> yep
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 836 2011-08-04 15:59:54 <Caesium> if you donate 1.5% (or are on PPS, in which case the block is irrelevant, you get paid per share as the name implies)
 837 2011-08-04 16:01:12 <jtaylor> buhm if all proportional users are hoppers and all 24/7 use pps, does hopping actually work?
 838 2011-08-04 16:01:34 <diki> deepbit should remove pps
 839 2011-08-04 16:01:42 <diki> it pays sooo less for a single share
 840 2011-08-04 16:01:49 <diki> it's better to remove it
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 842 2011-08-04 16:02:00 <Caesium> jtaylor: yeah it works but it won't affect PPSers at all.
 843 2011-08-04 16:02:10 <Caesium> the hoppers just share their reward amongst each other
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 845 2011-08-04 16:02:44 <diki> Caesium:how exactly do you run an http server at the same time and allow mining via port 80?
 846 2011-08-04 16:02:50 <diki> isn't it used by apache?
 847 2011-08-04 16:03:00 <b4epoche_> ugh
 848 2011-08-04 16:03:04 <Caesium> well I don't use apache for starters ;)
 849 2011-08-04 16:03:15 <diki> ok, whatever server software
 850 2011-08-04 16:03:28 <diki> i thought that browsers connect thru port 80 first
 851 2011-08-04 16:03:31 <Caesium> the answer is fairly obvious really, check the IP for my pool dns vs my web dns :)
 852 2011-08-04 16:03:34 <b4epoche_> diki:  same way you can server different pages from the same server
 853 2011-08-04 16:03:53 <Caesium> I could also do that, but it'd be trickier since the getwork is on /
 854 2011-08-04 16:03:57 <diki> so you redirect via user-agent?
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 856 2011-08-04 16:04:15 <Caesium> there's a multitude of ways to do it, that would work
 857 2011-08-04 16:04:33 <diki> this is the first time i hear you can run multiple services on one port
 858 2011-08-04 16:05:03 <Caesium> it's just up to nginx to decide what to do with it, and nginx has fairly powerful configuration :)
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 907 2011-08-04 16:55:44 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":11.39,"low":8.7,"avg":10.127112749,"vwap":10.113212884,"vol":93949,"last":10.56891,"buy":10.5553,"sell":10.56891}}
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 909 2011-08-04 16:55:59 <imsaguy2> a bit better today
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 913 2011-08-04 17:06:00 <topi`> strange how the screwup at bitomat hasn't really affected the rate any more
 914 2011-08-04 17:06:02 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: inb4 it shoots up to $35
 915 2011-08-04 17:06:08 <topi`> I expected a dip below $9
 916 2011-08-04 17:06:32 <luke-jr> topi`: I wasn't sure what to expect. On one hand, it makes the FDIC look tempting; on the other, it increases the value of every other bitcoin
 917 2011-08-04 17:06:50 <topi`> what is FDIC?
 918 2011-08-04 17:06:57 <luke-jr> Federal government bank insurance
 919 2011-08-04 17:07:01 <topi`> ah
 920 2011-08-04 17:07:10 <imsaguy2> luke-jr, increases the rarity, but shakes confidence
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 922 2011-08-04 17:07:19 <topi`> luke-jr: I thought you were running Eligius. but why does Eligius get listed as "german"?
 923 2011-08-04 17:07:19 <imsaguy2> shh
 924 2011-08-04 17:07:24 <imsaguy2> matt in da house!
 925 2011-08-04 17:07:30 <luke-jr> topi`: that's where the server is
 926 2011-08-04 17:07:38 <topi`> luke-jr: so it's not in your garage :)
 927 2011-08-04 17:07:49 <imsaguy2> gonna lose the wallet in a few weeks luke-jr?
 928 2011-08-04 17:07:52 <imsaguy2> :-x
 929 2011-08-04 17:08:00 <imsaguy2> "oops"
 930 2011-08-04 17:08:19 <topi`> luke pays out every 0.33 btc or higher, so I doubt eligius' wallet matters much
 931 2011-08-04 17:08:52 <imsaguy2> multiply .33 out by every miner (sure not everyone has .33 but still)
 932 2011-08-04 17:09:04 <imsaguy2> a decent chunk of change
 933 2011-08-04 17:09:13 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: I know how to backup.
 934 2011-08-04 17:09:41 <luke-jr> topi`: Eligius wallet has 691 BTC
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 936 2011-08-04 17:10:40 <topi`> ok
 937 2011-08-04 17:10:48 <topi`> well, a lot less than 17000 BTC :)
 938 2011-08-04 17:11:12 <topi`> I laughed my ass off when I read the story about bitomat ;)
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 940 2011-08-04 17:11:27 <topi`> how on earth didn't they have any "real" backups aside of the stupid cloud?
 941 2011-08-04 17:11:35 <copumpkin> dude, the cloud
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 943 2011-08-04 17:11:37 <copumpkin> it's webscale
 944 2011-08-04 17:11:43 <copumpkin> don't question the cloud dude
 945 2011-08-04 17:12:00 <upb> :D
 946 2011-08-04 17:12:54 <phedny_> will the following scriptPubKey work for a situation where a sender wants to send "coins to himself", but at the same time broadcasting a proof he possesses a certain private key: OP_CODESEPARATOR <pubKey> <sigA> OP_OVER OP_2SWAP OP_CHECKSIGVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG (and redeeming the output with scriptSig: <sig>), where <sig> and <sigA> are different, <sigA> demonstrating the possession of the private key
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 962 2011-08-04 17:40:44 <luke-jr> phedny_: … don't do that :P
 963 2011-08-04 17:40:49 <luke-jr> it's abuse of the block chain
 964 2011-08-04 17:41:44 <phedny_> well.. it'll be part of our plan that should ultimately lead to a distributed exchange :)
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 966 2011-08-04 17:44:44 <gmaxwell> phedny_: thats daft.
 967 2011-08-04 17:45:21 <gmaxwell> Just sign a message with the private key and don't spam the universe with megabytes of data that must be preserved forever.
 968 2011-08-04 17:45:27 <luke-jr> phedny_: distributed exchange already exists without that nonsense
 969 2011-08-04 17:45:53 <kish`> Bitcoin: Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /home/ly/.bitcoin.  Bitcoin is probably already running.
 970 2011-08-04 17:45:58 <kish`> you guys...
 971 2011-08-04 17:46:15 <phedny_> luke-jr: ah, nice.. can you point me to how that works?
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 973 2011-08-04 17:46:25 <luke-jr> phedny_: /j #bitcoin-otc
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 976 2011-08-04 17:52:25 <mtrlt> -otc is too manual though :p
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 982 2011-08-04 17:58:20 <lfm> kish`: ya, either bitcoin(d) is already running or last time you ran it is crashes spectacularly
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 984 2011-08-04 18:08:20 <mologie> or evil unicorns changed the lock file's permissions to 000 - if there is really no bitcoin process running, there is no reason why a new process would be unable to aquire a handle to the lock file
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 987 2011-08-04 18:11:37 <lfm> maybe you had just told it to stop and it was taking its usual long time shutting down
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 994 2011-08-04 18:25:46 <diki> so
 995 2011-08-04 18:25:56 <diki> my client is stuck at 139597 blocks
 996 2011-08-04 18:26:01 <diki> any ideas why it's not updating
 997 2011-08-04 18:26:10 <lfm> diki do you have 0.3.24?
 998 2011-08-04 18:26:16 <diki> and there one tx thats been unconfirmed for hours
 999 2011-08-04 18:26:19 <diki> yes lfm
1000 2011-08-04 18:26:19 <diki> latest
1001 2011-08-04 18:26:26 <lfm> and how many connections does it have?
1002 2011-08-04 18:26:31 <diki> 11
1003 2011-08-04 18:26:37 <diki> tho i usually have 50 or more
1004 2011-08-04 18:26:40 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
1005 2011-08-04 18:26:41 <gribble> 139610
1006 2011-08-04 18:26:56 <diki> i restarted the client and even with -rescan
1007 2011-08-04 18:27:00 <diki> no dice
1008 2011-08-04 18:28:15 <lfm> do you use any -addnode= args?
1009 2011-08-04 18:28:32 <diki> nope
1010 2011-08-04 18:29:06 <lfm> try stop ; delete addr.dat then restart
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1015 2011-08-04 18:32:42 <diki> got to 139601 blocks
1016 2011-08-04 18:32:48 <diki> but my tx which was from a few hours ago
1017 2011-08-04 18:32:52 <diki> hasnt been confirmed
1018 2011-08-04 18:33:07 <lfm> you still got anothe 9 blocks to catch up
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1020 2011-08-04 18:33:18 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
1021 2011-08-04 18:33:19 <gribble> 139610
1022 2011-08-04 18:33:24 <diki> ah
1023 2011-08-04 18:33:28 <diki> got a confirm
1024 2011-08-04 18:33:30 <diki> finally
1025 2011-08-04 18:33:37 <lfm> there ya go
1026 2011-08-04 18:33:39 <diki> i wonder for how long i was outta symc
1027 2011-08-04 18:33:41 <diki> *sync
1028 2011-08-04 18:35:27 <lfm> Block #139597 2011-08-04 15:06:32 was where you were hung
1029 2011-08-04 18:35:38 <lfm> that UTC
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1034 2011-08-04 18:36:17 <lfm> so almost 3.5 hours
1035 2011-08-04 18:36:58 <diki> i made the tx before that i think
1036 2011-08-04 18:37:02 <diki> like waaay before that
1037 2011-08-04 18:37:51 <lfm> what tx was it if you dont mind me asking?
1038 2011-08-04 18:38:19 <lfm> to addr:?
1039 2011-08-04 18:38:37 <diki> seems like it's tycho's fault
1040 2011-08-04 18:38:50 <diki> requested payout and the tx took a lot of time to get included in a block
1041 2011-08-04 18:39:01 <diki> seems other people have the problem -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34064.0
1042 2011-08-04 18:40:15 <Darnoth> Heh not including transaction fee will have a huge impact on time it takes you to transfer right now.
1043 2011-08-04 18:41:47 <Raccoon> hmm
1044 2011-08-04 18:42:13 <Raccoon> could someone write a script that pulls the block difficulty for each block into a csv
1045 2011-08-04 18:42:23 <Raccoon> along with the timestamp of each block
1046 2011-08-04 18:43:55 <Raccoon> i'd like to match block difficulty against mtgox bids, and work out a $USD per hash
1047 2011-08-04 18:44:06 <Raccoon> graph it
1048 2011-08-04 18:44:16 <lfm> Raccoon: ya, actually there are 2016 of each difficulty, you need all the repeats?
1049 2011-08-04 18:44:41 <Raccoon> i suppose the key blocks alone would be fine
1050 2011-08-04 18:45:14 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r9181500 / (share/uiproject.fbp src/uibase.cpp): Make it clear that setting proxy requires restart to fully apply. - http://bit.ly/qJe7CC https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/918150048a1d677731ab7f2b3f59fa9a7401d435
1051 2011-08-04 18:45:15 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r01a509f / src/init.cpp : Don't listen if on TOR (resolves #441). - http://bit.ly/oYOAID https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/01a509fa2616537a4b444966d6e4e451822b2abd
1052 2011-08-04 18:45:15 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r32de8cd / (share/uiproject.fbp src/init.cpp src/uibase.cpp): Merge pull request #451 from TheBlueMatt/tornolisten ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/32de8cd062df3df5c34922d262484b934024eb06
1053 2011-08-04 18:45:55 <Caesium> Raccoon: blockexplorer has done that for you
1054 2011-08-04 18:45:58 <Caesium> see q/nethash
1055 2011-08-04 18:46:01 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r95699e1 / src/net.cpp : Merge pull request #446 from WakiMiko/upnp-desc ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/95699e1730e80ecaea8f617ef3ea231fdcde2f44
1056 2011-08-04 18:46:04 <Raccoon> they have?
1057 2011-08-04 18:46:16 <Caesium> http://blockexplorer.com/q/nethash
1058 2011-08-04 18:46:43 <lfm> Raccoon: http://pastebin.com/4REKrZ0V
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1060 2011-08-04 18:48:39 <Raccoon> thanks
1061 2011-08-04 18:48:56 <Raccoon> has anyone already graphed against market trading then?
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1063 2011-08-04 18:50:01 <lfm> I think ArtForzz used to do that but mainly just for himself
1064 2011-08-04 18:50:24 <BlueMatt> there was a google spreadsheet which did it easily not too long ago
1065 2011-08-04 18:50:29 <BlueMatt> well like a couple months ago
1066 2011-08-04 18:51:30 <Raccoon> was there any useful corrilation to indicate a matching increase or decrease in bids or mining as the other rose/dipped?
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1070 2011-08-04 18:52:10 <Raccoon> or is mining on an unending incline?
1071 2011-08-04 18:52:10 <lfm> well mining directly influences difficulty with the 2 week delay
1072 2011-08-04 18:52:23 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * reb20f3c / src/rpc.cpp : Merge pull request #448 from sipa/cbitcoinaddress ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/eb20f3c8f5258076d195176ac589a869a9f24708
1073 2011-08-04 18:52:31 <mekel> anyone can give me some advice on day trading? im looking into margin accounts and short selling its a bit confusing
1074 2011-08-04 18:52:35 <Raccoon> we haven't seen a difficulty drop yet?
1075 2011-08-04 18:52:50 <lfm> yes we have seen difficulty drops twice
1076 2011-08-04 18:53:05 <lfm> pretty small ones
1077 2011-08-04 18:53:09 <Raccoon> ok
1078 2011-08-04 18:53:12 <BlueMatt> mekel: not really the place
1079 2011-08-04 18:53:33 <mekel> yea i know bluematt, i just figured this would be the place to find the most knowledgeable peopel
1080 2011-08-04 18:53:52 <BlueMatt> about that...not so sure, maybe -otc
1081 2011-08-04 18:54:08 <mekel> alright ill check out over there bud
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1096 2011-08-04 19:20:25 <CIA-103> bitcoin: various rpc-api-ver * re4be8d..f23f9a bitcoind-personal/ (78 files in 23 dirs): (181 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3dcxkt8
1097 2011-08-04 19:22:37 * luke-jr wonders if he should rebranch RPCv1 as RPCv2
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1103 2011-08-04 19:27:20 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * rbd1e54b / src/util.h : Merge branch 'tmp2' - http://bit.ly/rq3Byd https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/bd1e54bc0b7f1bdfc571edf1f4f1ecf422260b8c
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1106 2011-08-04 19:42:49 <luke-jr> there jgarzik goes reinventing things :P
1107 2011-08-04 19:43:49 <imsaguy2> not much change to that one
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1109 2011-08-04 19:44:32 <luke-jr> no, but I made a branch just to simplify the merging of it already :P
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1113 2011-08-04 19:49:42 <BlueMatt> no, hes pulling the commit of the original author
1114 2011-08-04 19:49:46 <BlueMatt> ie not your copied one
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1116 2011-08-04 19:50:00 <imsaguy2> he was the author :-x
1117 2011-08-04 19:50:03 <aviadbd> hey guys
1118 2011-08-04 19:50:04 <BlueMatt> so...giving the proper commit author
1119 2011-08-04 19:50:15 <BlueMatt> on that commit?
1120 2011-08-04 19:50:22 <aviadbd> well, figured out my problem earlier where i couldn't send a non-correct job to Eligius
1121 2011-08-04 19:50:28 <aviadbd> (using "getwork" method)
1122 2011-08-04 19:50:31 <imsaguy2> the very last one CIA-103 showed
1123 2011-08-04 19:50:35 <imsaguy2> yeah
1124 2011-08-04 19:50:47 <BlueMatt> luke was the author of the dedup stuff, that commit was joel
1125 2011-08-04 19:50:54 <BlueMatt> that bug was joel
1126 2011-08-04 19:51:08 <aviadbd> but - i have a question. Now I'm sending an incorrect job to Eligius and the response I'm getting is error code -4, "upstream RPC error" or something like that.
1127 2011-08-04 19:51:13 <aviadbd> does that sound reasonable?
1128 2011-08-04 19:51:22 <aviadbd> it has nothing to do with the real problem as far as i can see...
1129 2011-08-04 19:53:04 <BlueMatt> nope, that last one CIA showed was joel's original work
1130 2011-08-04 19:53:12 <BlueMatt> luke wrote the getwork dedup fix
1131 2011-08-04 19:53:29 <diki> i heard that sdk 2.5 is shit
1132 2011-08-04 19:53:58 <diki> something about a spinlock too
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1136 2011-08-04 20:04:15 <m03sizlak> hey, ive launched a HTML5 bitcoin blackjack site, check it out  http://bitjack21.com
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1141 2011-08-04 20:12:31 <ahbritto> Where can I find out about multisend?
1142 2011-08-04 20:12:46 <lfm> try bitcoind help
1143 2011-08-04 20:13:09 <lfm> sendmany <fromaccount> {address:amount,...} [minconf=1] [comment]
1144 2011-08-04 20:13:17 <ahbritto> Thank you! =D
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1156 2011-08-04 20:22:16 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1157 2011-08-04 20:22:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 139621 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 1498 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 1 hour, 45 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1952990.95982095
1158 2011-08-04 20:26:33 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: ah, I forgot to do that bit
1159 2011-08-04 20:27:50 <luke-jr> actually, he only got half of the bugfix :x
1160 2011-08-04 20:28:17 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: actually, he forgot it too
1161 2011-08-04 20:29:05 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: also, I *did* set the right Author
1162 2011-08-04 20:29:09 <luke-jr> fail
1163 2011-08-04 20:30:49 <BlueMatt> well since you never tell anyone about your branches, no one ever sees them
1164 2011-08-04 20:30:56 <luke-jr> I did
1165 2011-08-04 20:31:59 <luke-jr> Message-Id: <201107101442.43605.luke@dashjr.org>
1166 2011-08-04 20:32:08 <luke-jr> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Useful bitcoin patches…
1167 2011-08-04 20:32:16 <luke-jr> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:42:41 -0400
1168 2011-08-04 20:34:13 <luke-jr> I'll send out a reminder…
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1173 2011-08-04 20:39:37 <BlueMatt> he didnt rewrite anything
1174 2011-08-04 20:39:46 <BlueMatt> he pulled from joel's repo
1175 2011-08-04 20:39:52 <luke-jr> no he didn't.
1176 2011-08-04 20:39:54 <luke-jr> he rewrote it
1177 2011-08-04 20:39:57 <luke-jr> read the commit
1178 2011-08-04 20:39:58 <BlueMatt> look at github
1179 2011-08-04 20:40:06 <BlueMatt> its a merge commit
1180 2011-08-04 20:40:06 <luke-jr> I did
1181 2011-08-04 20:40:10 <BlueMatt> ie he merged someone's commit
1182 2011-08-04 20:40:13 <luke-jr> a merge of a branch HE wrote
1183 2011-08-04 20:40:18 <BlueMatt> and if you scroll down, there is joel's patch
1184 2011-08-04 20:40:25 <BlueMatt> yes, he had to merge one commit, so he made his own branch
1185 2011-08-04 20:40:28 <luke-jr> last I checked, Joel doesn't even *have* a repo
1186 2011-08-04 20:40:35 <BlueMatt> yes he does
1187 2011-08-04 20:40:58 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/JoelKatz/bitcoin
1188 2011-08-04 20:41:13 <BlueMatt> and the actual commit: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/67ed7d9d4929d8fe1c5f976c184c72dff02d83b7
1189 2011-08-04 20:41:20 <BlueMatt> aka not jgarzik's
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1194 2011-08-04 20:47:33 * luke-jr wonders why the commit was only half of the fix though
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1196 2011-08-04 20:47:51 <BlueMatt> nfc
1197 2011-08-04 20:48:09 <luke-jr> I think the other half has no practical effects, so oh well
1198 2011-08-04 20:48:31 <BlueMatt> then that would probably be why
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1281 2011-08-04 22:51:09 <b4epoche_> do bitcoin devs like their facial hair as much as ios jailbreak devs?  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1107/bearding.whisker.wars/content.1.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_bf1_a5
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1287 2011-08-04 22:59:07 <BlueMatt> my god
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1289 2011-08-04 22:59:42 <BlueMatt> and to answer your question...afaik none of them have a large beard
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1292 2011-08-04 23:03:22 <b4epoche_> must be an iOS thing...
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