1 2011-08-07 00:00:46 <shadders> what lib do I need to build pushpool with sqlite support?
2 2011-08-07 00:01:57 <jtaylor> libsqlite3-dev?
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4 2011-08-07 00:04:30 <shadders> thankks
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7 2011-08-07 00:07:17 <shadders> how about pg?
8 2011-08-07 00:07:31 <shadders> sudo apt-cache search libpostgres
9 2011-08-07 00:07:32 <shadders> libpostgresql-ocaml - OCaml bindings to PostgreSQL's libpq (runtime)
10 2011-08-07 00:07:32 <shadders> libpostgresql-ocaml-dev - OCaml bindings to PostgreSQL's libpq
11 2011-08-07 00:07:32 <shadders> libpostgresql-gst - PostgreSQL bindings for GNU Smalltalk
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15 2011-08-07 00:09:56 <jtaylor> libpq-dev
16 2011-08-07 00:10:14 <jtaylor> dont ask why it has such a werid package name
17 2011-08-07 00:10:22 <shadders> thanks again
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24 2011-08-07 00:25:05 <jtaylor> btw you dont need sudo for apt-cache
25 2011-08-07 00:27:25 <shadders> I know it's just a bad habit...
26 2011-08-07 00:28:01 <shadders> Any idea what this means (from pushpool): sql_sharelog: bind(7) failed: bind or column index out of range
27 2011-08-07 00:28:08 <shadders> -- Describe SHARES
28 2011-08-07 00:28:09 <shadders> CREATE TABLE shares (
29 2011-08-07 00:28:09 <shadders> "id" INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT NOT NULL,
30 2011-08-07 00:28:09 <shadders> "time" INTEGER,
31 2011-08-07 00:28:09 <shadders> "rem_host" TEXT NOT NULL,
32 2011-08-07 00:28:09 <shadders> "username" TEXT NOT NULL,
33 2011-08-07 00:28:11 <shadders> "our_result" TEXT NOT NULL,
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35 2011-08-07 00:28:13 <shadders> "upstream_result" TEXT,
36 2011-08-07 00:28:15 <shadders> "reason" TEXT,
37 2011-08-07 00:28:17 <shadders> "solution" TEXT NOT NULL
38 2011-08-07 00:28:19 <shadders> )
39 2011-08-07 00:28:55 <shadders> "stmt.sharelog": "INSERT INTO shares (rem_host, username, our_result, upstream_result, reason, solution) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?)"
40 2011-08-07 00:33:13 <[Tycho]> Oh, SQL pool ?
41 2011-08-07 00:34:25 <shadders> ???
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43 2011-08-07 00:43:18 <msquared86> ok so how can i take money from my paypal into somthing that the bitcoin buying places use?
44 2011-08-07 00:43:24 <msquared86> since coinpal went under
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46 2011-08-07 00:45:32 <phantomcircuit> msquared86, you can take that money put it in a bank account and send it to an exchange
47 2011-08-07 00:45:43 <phantomcircuit> since nobody is going to go near paypal with a 100000000ft pole
48 2011-08-07 00:45:54 <msquared86> lol
49 2011-08-07 00:46:15 <msquared86> it takes like 3 days for paypal to bank and the market with my luck will go back up by then lol
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51 2011-08-07 00:47:31 <msquared86> is thre a payment method like dwolla that will let me add funds with a debit card?
52 2011-08-07 00:47:39 <msquared86> cause dwolla wont allow it
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58 2011-08-07 00:56:45 <luke-jr> msquared86: no, because debit cards can be reversed
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60 2011-08-07 00:59:03 <lfm> seems like you just gotta take the 3 days
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64 2011-08-07 01:09:34 <b4epoche_> I think that is one of the issues with these mini-crashes, i.e. people don't have money in the system to buy
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66 2011-08-07 01:11:30 <gmaxwell> yea.
67 2011-08-07 01:11:45 <gmaxwell> it's worth noting that no one on IRC is willing to sell non-trivial amounts right now.
68 2011-08-07 01:12:11 <gmaxwell> so I'm guessing the current market behavior is at least partially a liquidity artifact.
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70 2011-08-07 01:12:21 <b4epoche_> there's an asymmetry in the market
71 2011-08-07 01:12:23 <gmaxwell> Bitcoin is much more liquid than USD, makes for some weird effects.
72 2011-08-07 01:13:50 <b4epoche_> what was the exchange that most recently took paypal?
73 2011-08-07 01:14:38 <gmaxwell> Well, here is another data point: https://www.exchangebitcoins.com/
74 2011-08-07 01:15:07 <gmaxwell> if things weren't screwed up you could make a fortune moving money between these exchanges right now.
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76 2011-08-07 01:16:19 <b4epoche_> we'll probably see a swing up in price in about 3 days when more 'other' money gets into the system.
77 2011-08-07 01:16:46 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, https://www.exchangebitcoins.com/marketdata
78 2011-08-07 01:16:48 <b4epoche_> I wonder if MagicalTux sees a spike in deposits about 3 days after a sell-off⦠probably
79 2011-08-07 01:16:49 <phantomcircuit> that looks like shit
80 2011-08-07 01:19:35 <b4epoche_> http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/oracle-and-google-keep-wrangling-over.html
81 2011-08-07 01:19:38 <b4epoche_> oops...
82 2011-08-07 01:19:40 <b4epoche_> https://www.bitcoinmarket.com/
83 2011-08-07 01:19:57 <b4epoche_> looks like that one is dead
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103 2011-08-07 01:38:46 <neofutur> (03:09) < gmaxwell> if things weren't screwed up you could make a fortune moving money between these exchanges right now.
104 2011-08-07 01:39:00 <neofutur> not a fortune, the full arbitrage was less than 4 bitcoins ;)
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114 2011-08-07 01:51:31 <justmoon> is there a service on blockexplorer (or elsewhere) that lets you look up a block's hash by number? (machine readable)
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116 2011-08-07 01:54:57 <theymos> justmoon: You can HEAD request /b/number
117 2011-08-07 01:55:44 <justmoon> oh, yeah, you're right!
118 2011-08-07 01:55:45 <justmoon> thanks!
119 2011-08-07 01:57:40 <kinlo> theymos: do you have a version of the getblockinfo patch that applies to 0.3.24?
120 2011-08-07 01:58:40 <kinlo> as far as I can see, the original patch hasn't been updated
121 2011-08-07 01:59:15 <theymos> getblockbycount, you mean?
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123 2011-08-07 02:00:12 <kinlo> yeah
124 2011-08-07 02:01:33 <theymos> The patch still works, I believe, though you must apply it manually.
125 2011-08-07 02:02:28 <kinlo> ic, thanks, I'll look into it
126 2011-08-07 02:02:48 <kinlo> theymos: you haven't upgraded blockexplorer to 0.3.24 I assume? :)
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128 2011-08-07 02:03:28 <theymos> I'm still using 0.3.19, but MtGox Live's mirror is running some recent version. I'm not sure if it's 0.3.24.
129 2011-08-07 02:04:55 <XRcode> can we have this data --> http://blockexplorer.com/address/18gBZnsuSrhYLjvPUgwvDUJmksfREUGBTT
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131 2011-08-07 02:04:57 <XRcode> ?
132 2011-08-07 02:05:04 <XRcode> please
133 2011-08-07 02:05:14 <lfm> huh
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137 2011-08-07 02:09:28 <lfm> XRcode: that address is unused atm
138 2011-08-07 02:10:32 <lfm> it had a zillion bitcents in it but they are all spent
139 2011-08-07 02:10:50 <XRcode> hmm
140 2011-08-07 02:11:42 <lfm> if it was yours you should be ashamed of yourself
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142 2011-08-07 02:11:57 <XRcode> lol no it wasn't mine
143 2011-08-07 02:11:58 <XRcode> thats for sure
144 2011-08-07 02:12:24 <XRcode> it came up in something related to mybitcoin
145 2011-08-07 02:12:28 <lfm> is there anything else you wanted to know about it?
146 2011-08-07 02:13:00 <XRcode> just if there was anything interesting about it or if it played a part in anything thats going on
147 2011-08-07 02:13:17 <XRcode> really
148 2011-08-07 02:13:34 <XRcode> i just thought it was strange that is was too large to list publicly
149 2011-08-07 02:13:36 <lfm> last activity on it was 2010-09-12
150 2011-08-07 02:13:52 <XRcode> yeah ok so its old then
151 2011-08-07 02:13:59 <XRcode> thanks
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154 2011-08-07 02:20:15 <theymos> Here, it's available for a short time: http://99.188.19.113/address/18gBZnsuSrhYLjvPUgwvDUJmksfREUGBTT .
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157 2011-08-07 02:22:07 <theymos> BBE doesn't display addresses with more than 5000 transactions because it uses too much memory. The memory consumption will be reduced in the future, which will allow these to be displayed normally.
158 2011-08-07 02:22:40 <lfm> ya looks like that was some sort of spam address
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191 2011-08-07 03:25:18 <Diablo-D3> well this is fucked up
192 2011-08-07 03:25:24 <Diablo-D3> remember when my gigabit nic died?
193 2011-08-07 03:25:25 <Diablo-D3> its back
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201 2011-08-07 03:43:05 <lfm> well I can't find any attemps at double spending in my blocks data.
202 2011-08-07 03:43:22 <lfm> atempts
203 2011-08-07 03:44:12 <Diablo-D3> lfm: you wouldnt see it
204 2011-08-07 03:44:17 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin doesnt keep dead block forks
205 2011-08-07 03:44:35 <lfm> oh? what makes you think that?
206 2011-08-07 03:45:39 <lfm> it has to keep them cuz they "could" become the active fork again at any time
207 2011-08-07 03:45:54 <Diablo-D3> hrm
208 2011-08-07 03:45:57 <Diablo-D3> maybe it does
209 2011-08-07 03:46:02 <Diablo-D3> but how do you get at them?
210 2011-08-07 03:46:05 <lfm> all that has to happen is a bunch of new blocks show up for that fork
211 2011-08-07 03:46:31 <lfm> they are all in the blk0001.dat file actually
212 2011-08-07 03:47:54 <lfm> they are indexed by hash so a new block with prevhash points to its prev block. if the new chain is longer than the "current" longest, the new one becomes the "current" longest
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214 2011-08-07 03:49:37 <lfm> not all nodes see all forks tho if they are never the longest
215 2011-08-07 03:52:32 <lfm> so the fact is bitcoin keeps all old blocks even blocks in dead forks. there arnt really very many dead blocks so its no big deal
216 2011-08-07 03:52:47 <lfm> blocks found 140150
217 2011-08-07 03:52:47 <lfm> greatest chain length: 139922 blocks
218 2011-08-07 03:53:00 <lfm> in my last run
219 2011-08-07 03:54:16 <lfm> so I can detect attempts at double spending if I got both forks. I havnt found any yet tho
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221 2011-08-07 03:57:03 <lfm> also I might not see attempts if the TXN was rejected right away as invalid due to a spent input and it never got into any forks.
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223 2011-08-07 04:11:05 <lfm> what is pretiosissimus? google translate fails on that word
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228 2011-08-07 04:22:55 <mekel> question on setting up a bitcoin server for a lan in linux
229 2011-08-07 04:23:11 * freewil is away: I'm away
230 2011-08-07 04:24:31 <mekel> im just having one user connect to my server over the lan, should the server command be like bitcoind -server -rpcallowip 192.168.1.3 -rpcuser=user -rpcpassword=password &
231 2011-08-07 04:24:32 <mekel> ?
232 2011-08-07 04:25:01 <mekel> im also mining on the server itself so im wondering if i need the servers own ip?
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236 2011-08-07 04:32:48 <lfm> I think localhost is allowed by default
237 2011-08-07 04:33:53 <mekel> true
238 2011-08-07 04:34:15 <mekel> to send bitcoins to another wallet can i just use -u <wallet address>?
239 2011-08-07 04:34:25 <mekel> thru the mining program i mean
240 2011-08-07 04:35:37 <lfm> if you're mining like solo on bitcoind it will always add the 50btc to a new unused address it creates
241 2011-08-07 04:36:38 <lfm> you have to use the user the same as bitcoin.config
242 2011-08-07 04:36:55 <mekel> hm
243 2011-08-07 04:40:18 <mekel> are there any trust worthy online wallets?
244 2011-08-07 04:40:25 <lfm> no
245 2011-08-07 04:40:48 <lfm> well maybe mtgox.com, trust is in the eye of the beholder
246 2011-08-07 04:41:06 <mekel> ya but they only offer temporary wallet addresses
247 2011-08-07 04:41:33 <mekel> i wonder if i can use slushes online site and set the send threshold to 50000000
248 2011-08-07 04:41:53 <lfm> that would be silly
249 2011-08-07 04:42:02 <mekel> y
250 2011-08-07 04:42:07 <mekel> hm
251 2011-08-07 04:42:24 <lfm> you can use slush or any pool and send to a wallet that is offline
252 2011-08-07 04:42:59 <mekel> am i able to have a seperate wallet on the same computer?
253 2011-08-07 04:43:11 <lfm> same as what?
254 2011-08-07 04:43:20 <mekel> two wallets on one computer
255 2011-08-07 04:43:51 <lfm> not generally advisable but if you are very carefull you can switch wallet.dat files back and forth yes.
256 2011-08-07 04:44:12 <mekel> just drag and drop or rename temporarily ey?
257 2011-08-07 04:44:26 <lfm> make sure you keep good backup copies and frequent backups or both
258 2011-08-07 04:44:33 <mekel> hm
259 2011-08-07 04:44:35 <mekel> k
260 2011-08-07 04:44:57 <lfm> of both wallets too
261 2011-08-07 04:45:24 <mekel> wheres wallet stored
262 2011-08-07 04:45:42 <lfm> because ideally you never discard an address. once it is created you keep it forever
263 2011-08-07 04:46:08 <lfm> wallet.dat is in your datadir
264 2011-08-07 04:46:28 <lfm> on linux it is ~/.bitcoin/
265 2011-08-07 04:46:43 <mekel> ty
266 2011-08-07 04:46:49 <lfm> mswin uses a different name I dont remember
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284 2011-08-07 05:34:03 <m03sizlak> hey, ive launched a HTML5 bitcoin blackjack site, check it out http://bitjack21.com
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305 2011-08-07 06:08:45 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
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307 2011-08-07 06:08:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 139930 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 1189 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 12 hours, 6 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1837194.63586782
308 2011-08-07 06:08:52 <gjs278> lol
309 2011-08-07 06:08:55 <gjs278> difficulty drop
310 2011-08-07 06:08:59 <gjs278> lololol
311 2011-08-07 06:09:15 <gjs278> they'll be back
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314 2011-08-07 06:10:54 <owowo> !bc,interval
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318 2011-08-07 06:11:26 <owowo> !info
319 2011-08-07 06:11:51 <owowo> waaah, i hate when bot ignore me
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322 2011-08-07 06:12:34 <owowo> !info
323 2011-08-07 06:12:42 <owowo> !bc, interval
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329 2011-08-07 06:25:57 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
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331 2011-08-07 06:25:58 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.90014,"low":5.742,"avg":7.906433535,"vwap":7.589582115,"vol":123964,"last":7.2483,"buy":7.2004,"sell":7.2771}}
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333 2011-08-07 06:26:54 <Diablo-D3> so btc prices are collapsing?
334 2011-08-07 06:27:12 <gjs278> looks like it
335 2011-08-07 06:28:09 <gjs278> how many do you still have
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341 2011-08-07 06:29:07 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
342 2011-08-07 06:29:08 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.90014,"low":5.742,"avg":7.905681918,"vwap":7.589538884,"vol":123962,"last":7.2483,"buy":7.2008,"sell":7.2431}}
343 2011-08-07 06:29:18 <Diablo-D3> erp up up enter in wrong window
344 2011-08-07 06:32:56 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,tradehill
345 2011-08-07 06:32:57 <gribble> Error: "bc,tradehill" is not a valid command.
346 2011-08-07 06:32:59 <Diablo-D3> aww
347 2011-08-07 06:35:34 <nanotube> ;;bc,tradehill
348 2011-08-07 06:35:36 <gribble> {"ticker": {"sell": "7.8294717500", "buy": "7.6623000000", "last": "7.6623000000", "vol": "32894.2996486305", "high": "9.9081202182", "last_when": "17 minutes ago", "low": "6.2899000002"}}
349 2011-08-07 06:35:40 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: ^ just for you :)
350 2011-08-07 06:36:24 <Diablo-D3> er?
351 2011-08-07 06:36:31 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,tradehill
352 2011-08-07 06:36:33 <gribble> {"ticker": {"sell": "7.8294717500", "buy": "7.6623000000", "last": "7.6623000000", "vol": "32801.9265312927", "high": "9.9081202182", "last_when": "17 minutes ago", "low": "6.2899000002"}}
353 2011-08-07 06:36:35 <Diablo-D3> yay!
354 2011-08-07 06:36:47 <nanotube> just added it ;)
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358 2011-08-07 06:48:24 <Graet> nice nanotube
359 2011-08-07 06:49:10 <nanotube> :)
360 2011-08-07 06:49:41 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,tradehill
361 2011-08-07 06:49:43 <gribble> {"ticker": {"sell": "7.8490500000", "buy": "7.6623000000", "last": "7.6623000000", "vol": "32811.6869797159", "high": "9.9081202182", "last_when": "38 seconds ago", "low": "6.2899000002"}}
362 2011-08-07 06:49:44 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtfox
363 2011-08-07 06:49:44 <gribble> Error: "bc,mtfox" is not a valid command.
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365 2011-08-07 06:49:54 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
366 2011-08-07 06:49:55 <Graet> ooh mtfox
367 2011-08-07 06:49:55 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.83951,"low":5.742,"avg":7.892877256,"vwap":7.585748583,"vol":124073,"last":7.3,"buy":7.28531,"sell":7.295}}
368 2011-08-07 06:50:03 <Graet> that could be cool :P
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373 2011-08-07 07:03:12 <Doktor99__> question - as a miner, how do I prove that I did work?
374 2011-08-07 07:03:43 <Doktor99__> ... that I actually did SHA256(SHA256)), compared my result for a partial collision
375 2011-08-07 07:04:05 <Doktor99__> this is in the context of pooled mining, of course
376 2011-08-07 07:05:43 <luke-jr> Doktor99__: you submit the work to the pool
377 2011-08-07 07:07:50 <Doktor99__> luke-jr: right, but why not just make up some random number; I know some pool use a metahash to check, but some do not
378 2011-08-07 07:08:01 <luke-jr> none use metahash
379 2011-08-07 07:08:15 <luke-jr> they just check every share, and only bother with shares
380 2011-08-07 07:08:26 <Doktor99__> sorry, you're right
381 2011-08-07 07:09:14 <Doktor99__> gottit, but what if you only hash that... and don't do the real work
382 2011-08-07 07:09:42 <luke-jr> then you've cracked SHA256
383 2011-08-07 07:10:06 <Doktor99__> right, so i'm missing something
384 2011-08-07 07:10:29 <luke-jr> if the first 32 bits of the hash are 0, that's a share
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386 2011-08-07 07:10:44 <luke-jr> that happens one out of every 2^32 block headers you try on average
387 2011-08-07 07:11:00 <Doktor99__> OK, gottit
388 2011-08-07 07:11:56 <Doktor99__> so that share is 100% going to have at least on nonce value which has 32 leading zeros... or is it some very high percentage
389 2011-08-07 07:12:55 <luke-jr> â¦
390 2011-08-07 07:13:05 <luke-jr> a share is by definition a block header with the first 32 bits 0
391 2011-08-07 07:13:22 koleg has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
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393 2011-08-07 07:13:31 <luke-jr> there is an average of one of them across every header-minus-nonce
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395 2011-08-07 07:14:24 <Doktor99__> ok, i finally get it
396 2011-08-07 07:14:28 <Doktor99__> that's really helpful
397 2011-08-07 07:15:03 <Doktor99__> it's like your always doing a proof-of-work that has a fixed difficulty
398 2011-08-07 07:15:19 <luke-jr> yeah, the pool sets the targetâ¦
399 2011-08-07 07:15:41 <Doktor99__> wow, the more i understand bitcoin, the more elegance emmerges
400 2011-08-07 07:15:49 <Doktor99__> so cool
401 2011-08-07 07:16:49 <Doktor99__> while I'm at it: what is the definition of a rejected share
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403 2011-08-07 07:16:58 <luke-jr> there are many kinds of rejects
404 2011-08-07 07:17:02 <luke-jr> basically it means the pool didn't like it
405 2011-08-07 07:17:46 <Doktor99__> i guess there must be conditions whereby the miner does work which overlaps
406 2011-08-07 07:17:50 <Doktor99__> or cannot be credited
407 2011-08-07 07:18:08 <luke-jr> usually it means your share was based on old data that is no longer valid
408 2011-08-07 07:18:14 <luke-jr> eg, someone found a block
409 2011-08-07 07:18:40 <Doktor99__> seems that the most likely reason
410 2011-08-07 07:19:04 <Doktor99__> i though that long polling was intended to minimize that
411 2011-08-07 07:19:26 <Doktor99__> i.e. abort the current work if a new block is found, which invalidates the current effort
412 2011-08-07 07:19:46 <Doktor99__> but anyway, thanks for your help
413 2011-08-07 07:20:03 <luke-jr> H-not-zero duplicate stale prevhash-stale prevhash-wrong unknown-user unknown-work time-invalid time-too-old time-too-new
414 2011-08-07 07:20:09 <luke-jr> those are all the reasons I know of
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416 2011-08-07 07:20:25 <luke-jr> LP does minimize it
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455 2011-08-07 09:12:49 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,tradehill
456 2011-08-07 09:12:51 <gribble> {"ticker": {"sell": "8.9795266127", "buy": "8.8504795039", "last": "8.8504795039", "vol": "34688.0035599834", "high": "9.8000000000", "last_when": "2 minutes ago", "low": "6.2899000002"}}
457 2011-08-07 09:12:51 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
458 2011-08-07 09:12:52 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.80001,"low":5.742,"avg":7.873992164,"vwap":7.644830076,"vol":136633,"last":8.69504,"buy":8.62006,"sell":8.63005}}
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460 2011-08-07 09:14:07 <Diablo-D3> heh the markets are going back up
461 2011-08-07 09:15:23 <Graet> :)
462 2011-08-07 09:16:10 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: you
463 2011-08-07 09:16:29 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: add buy/sell triggers so I can just ask all the markets at once
464 2011-08-07 09:16:50 gfinn has joined
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466 2011-08-07 09:19:13 <Eliel> wow, somebody sold 30k bitcoins in one go a few hours ago.
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470 2011-08-07 09:29:51 <iddo> are you sure? i remember someone moved the price from about $9.2 to $5.8 but it was only several thousands of bitcoins, no?
471 2011-08-07 09:30:04 <iddo> where do you see 30k ?
472 2011-08-07 09:31:30 <iddo> actually maybe it was from 8 to 5.8
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476 2011-08-07 09:35:41 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
477 2011-08-07 09:35:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.80001,"low":5.742,"avg":7.87037328,"vwap":7.646497365,"vol":137233,"last":8.63299,"buy":8.60023,"sell":8.63}}
478 2011-08-07 09:35:43 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,tradehill
479 2011-08-07 09:35:44 <gribble> {"ticker": {"sell": "8.9762512703", "buy": "8.9500000000", "last": "8.9416741635", "vol": "34689.4950878375", "high": "9.8000000000", "last_when": "52 seconds ago", "low": "6.2899000002"}}
480 2011-08-07 09:37:35 <Diablo-D3> maybe it'll go back up to 10
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509 2011-08-07 10:52:10 <topi`> damn, my moneys are still on their way, can't buy cheap BTC today either :(
510 2011-08-07 10:52:15 <topi`> shucs
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513 2011-08-07 10:59:18 <da2ce7> topi`, once you money gets in... I'll be back up to $12
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523 2011-08-07 11:32:28 <topi`> da2ce7: that's what i'm afraid of!
524 2011-08-07 11:33:01 <topi`> although... as a holder of bitcoin assets, what's good for the BTC community is also good for me :)
525 2011-08-07 11:33:47 <justmoon> TD: you there?
526 2011-08-07 11:33:53 <TD> hi
527 2011-08-07 11:34:02 <justmoon> TD: you won't believe the mail YouTube just sent me
528 2011-08-07 11:34:11 <justmoon> "Your video, What is Bitcoin?, may have content that is owned or licensed by Al Jazeera. "
529 2011-08-07 11:34:16 <TD> lol
530 2011-08-07 11:34:19 <TD> fail
531 2011-08-07 11:34:46 <justmoon> unfortunately there is no button to say that you actually own the video
532 2011-08-07 11:34:48 <TD> did they take it down?
533 2011-08-07 11:35:04 <TD> really? i thought there was a dispute procedure
534 2011-08-07 11:35:23 <justmoon> yes, but you can only select that you have the owner's permission
535 2011-08-07 11:35:33 <justmoon> i.e. I'd have to acknowledge that al jazeera owns the rights
536 2011-08-07 11:35:42 <justmoon> which they FUCKING don't
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538 2011-08-07 11:35:56 <TD> this is indeed very stupid. the contentid folks work in zurich
539 2011-08-07 11:36:01 <TD> i will go shout at them on monday
540 2011-08-07 11:36:07 <justmoon> TD: thanks man
541 2011-08-07 11:36:20 <justmoon> I don't know why this got to me to hard
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543 2011-08-07 11:36:32 <justmoon> it's just - you make an original video and you still gotta deal with copyright bs
544 2011-08-07 11:36:34 <justmoon> ...
545 2011-08-07 11:36:49 <justmoon> so* hard
546 2011-08-07 11:36:51 <wumpus> it's weird anyway... you wouldn't expect a respected news shop like aljazeera to go around labeling videos that are clearly not theirs
547 2011-08-07 11:36:58 <TD> it's automatic
548 2011-08-07 11:37:07 <erus`> copyright is the bane of our time
549 2011-08-07 11:37:11 <TD> al jazeera probably upload all their videos and enter the "claim your content" system
550 2011-08-07 11:37:20 <TD> they've included pretty large segments of justmoons video in their reports
551 2011-08-07 11:37:33 <justmoon> wumpus, yeah they just aired our video and youtube doesn't have a concept of time apparently
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553 2011-08-07 11:38:19 <justmoon> alright, I've calmed down :)
554 2011-08-07 11:38:40 <KARMITT> whats the link for the video?
555 2011-08-07 11:38:52 <justmoon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um63OQz3bjo
556 2011-08-07 11:39:00 <KARMITT> thanks!
557 2011-08-07 11:39:10 <TD> we'll get this sorted out
558 2011-08-07 11:39:18 <TD> actually i'll send them a mail now whilst i'm thinking about it
559 2011-08-07 11:39:23 <justmoon> thanks dude :)
560 2011-08-07 11:39:43 <justmoon> I'll got announce the meetup in the meantime
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562 2011-08-07 11:39:45 <wumpus> ah the perils of automatic systems
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564 2011-08-07 11:40:02 <KARMITT> thats the original vid
565 2011-08-07 11:41:02 <justmoon> KARMITT, which one did you want?
566 2011-08-07 11:43:16 <KARMITT> sorry i must have missed what u guys where talking about dont worry man
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572 2011-08-07 11:50:07 <BCBot> Stats: http://bit.ly/bitcoin-irc-stats
573 2011-08-07 11:50:26 <TD> BCBot: that's a broken link, tish
574 2011-08-07 11:50:47 <justmoon> BCBot, *poke* are you flesh or metal?
575 2011-08-07 11:50:50 <edcba> spamming not even working links
576 2011-08-07 11:51:02 <edcba> looks like state of bitcoin :)
577 2011-08-07 11:51:25 <edcba> lot of amateurs poking aroung bitcoin :)
578 2011-08-07 11:51:45 <justmoon> edcba, who you callin' an amateur, boy!
579 2011-08-07 11:52:23 <edcba> ppl losing their wallets :p
580 2011-08-07 11:52:33 <justmoon> ouch, that hurts :D
581 2011-08-07 11:53:51 <TD> heh
582 2011-08-07 11:54:28 <enquirer> if only security pros can use bitcoins we won't get too far
583 2011-08-07 11:55:14 <justmoon> enquirer, don't worry bro, if it can be made usable and secure, it will be
584 2011-08-07 11:55:21 <justmoon> and I personally think it can be
585 2011-08-07 11:55:53 <TD> the bad news is that making bitcoin fully secure is hard. the good news is, anyone can try
586 2011-08-07 11:56:09 <TD> in contrast to the existing financial systems, where the barrier to entry for security innovation is quite high
587 2011-08-07 11:56:15 <TD> god, i sound like an MBA don't i
588 2011-08-07 11:56:53 <justmoon> TD: hehe
589 2011-08-07 11:57:57 <justmoon> we need a hardware device that can 1. display transaction details, 2. store keys and 3. sign transactions - ArtForz said he was working on that back in march, really wonder what became of it
590 2011-08-07 11:58:09 <justmoon> and whether you could coopt some existing technology for this purpose
591 2011-08-07 12:00:05 <da2ce7> justmoon, how is the bitcoinj comming along?
592 2011-08-07 12:00:08 <da2ce7> *js
593 2011-08-07 12:00:40 <da2ce7> imho. Webcoin is the best replacement for mybitcoin.
594 2011-08-07 12:01:35 <justmoon> da2ce7, right now, I'm having memory issues during block chain download
595 2011-08-07 12:02:39 <justmoon> da2ce7, I've been working on it for two weeks, just can't get the damn thing to work for the 130000+ blocks
596 2011-08-07 12:03:04 <da2ce7> been fixing up issue in the root bitcoinj code? talked to mike?
597 2011-08-07 12:03:20 <justmoon> da2ce7, we're not using bitcoinj
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600 2011-08-07 12:03:36 <justmoon> javascript != java :)
601 2011-08-07 12:03:46 <da2ce7> oh... I thought that was where you coped lots of the code from.
602 2011-08-07 12:04:01 <da2ce7> ofcourse js != j
603 2011-08-07 12:04:48 <justmoon> da2ce7, in the beginning, we copied almost 1:1, but now that it's about details, it doesn't really apply anymore
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609 2011-08-07 12:08:08 <TD> justmoon: hmm, where does all the memory go?
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611 2011-08-07 12:10:09 <justmoon> TD: mostly it's - something gets clogged and stuff piles up behind it
612 2011-08-07 12:10:31 <justmoon> TD: also our representation of stuff in memory isn't exactly efficient, thanks to our ORM layer
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614 2011-08-07 12:11:05 <justmoon> TD: and finally, V8 (at least the 32 bit version) gets crashy at around 400 MB, so we gotta keep even the spikes below that
615 2011-08-07 12:11:34 <justmoon> (normal usage - when nothing is clogged - requires about 100 MB at the moment)
616 2011-08-07 12:12:09 <TD> hmm, just general GC problems then
617 2011-08-07 12:12:32 <TD> andreas was complaining about the object count, apparently dalvik sometimes struggles as well
618 2011-08-07 12:12:40 <TD> though i'm not sure if that's just general overload or some more specific issue
619 2011-08-07 12:15:10 <justmoon> for us its just - we want to download the block chain as quickly as possible - but we don't want to download it too quickly, or we'll run out of our ram allowance
620 2011-08-07 12:15:36 <justmoon> it's probably good that I'm testing it on 32 bit - I think the limits on 64 bit are significantly higher, don't quote me on that though
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622 2011-08-07 12:17:09 <erus`> justmoon: what are you writing in javascript?
623 2011-08-07 12:18:07 <justmoon> erus`, node-bitcoin-p2p is a full implementation of a bitcoin daemon for Node.js
624 2011-08-07 12:18:14 <topi`> justmoon: what about implementing a separate "block server" that can be enquired for any pubkey data?
625 2011-08-07 12:18:28 <erus`> ah i have seen it before
626 2011-08-07 12:18:41 <justmoon> topi`, that's kind of what node-bitcoin-p2p is
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628 2011-08-07 12:18:47 <topi`> storing all the block history seems awfully wasteful for me
629 2011-08-07 12:18:52 <topi`> hmmm
630 2011-08-07 12:19:29 <justmoon> topi`, node-bitcoin-p2p runs on the server and the client only downloads the transactions that affect him
631 2011-08-07 12:19:42 <topi`> if you think of it, the only relevant info one needs to collect from the blockchain, is which privkeys own which coins *right now*
632 2011-08-07 12:19:52 <topi`> and the history is irreleevant
633 2011-08-07 12:20:02 <justmoon> topi`, not so, you want to be able to show the history in the interface
634 2011-08-07 12:20:34 <topi`> why is that? unless you believe history is not unmutable.
635 2011-08-07 12:21:06 <topi`> or has bitcoin magically started to support chargebacks?
636 2011-08-07 12:21:15 <justmoon> what do you mean? the user wants to be able to see his past transactions
637 2011-08-07 12:21:27 <topi`> I meant tracing the history of a particular coin
638 2011-08-07 12:21:34 <TD> i think topi` is talking at the protocol level
639 2011-08-07 12:21:41 <topi`> how it has passed hands a->b->c
640 2011-08-07 12:21:52 <TD> and yes, lightweight clients like webcoin or bitcoinj clients don't store every transaction
641 2011-08-07 12:21:56 <TD> well
642 2011-08-07 12:22:01 <TD> node-bitcoin-p2p does i guess
643 2011-08-07 12:22:06 <TD> but i mean, the software end users run doesn't have to
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645 2011-08-07 12:22:13 <justmoon> topi`, we don't care about the history of the coins
646 2011-08-07 12:22:18 <jargon> We are getting aggrivated.
647 2011-08-07 12:22:21 <jargon> Yes, we are.
648 2011-08-07 12:22:23 <topi`> justmoon: that's what I thought :)
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650 2011-08-07 12:22:51 <justmoon> topi`, but you still need to keep all transactions around, because you do care about spent outputs associated with a user's wallet
651 2011-08-07 12:22:58 <Namegduf> topi`: History is not immutable.
652 2011-08-07 12:23:02 <Namegduf> topi`: Block chain splits.
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654 2011-08-07 12:23:24 <Namegduf> You are correct that it doesn't need to be stored further back than needed to permit those, though.
655 2011-08-07 12:23:33 <topi`> the splits can't be several blocks of size.
656 2011-08-07 12:23:39 <Namegduf> Yes, they can.
657 2011-08-07 12:23:40 <justmoon> topi`, sure they can
658 2011-08-07 12:23:54 <topi`> that would require an awfully large netsplit, like on irc networks
659 2011-08-07 12:23:59 <justmoon> topi`, the chance of that happening just gets exponentially smaller the longer the chain gets
660 2011-08-07 12:24:10 <Namegduf> A block chain split has no relation to a "netsplit"
661 2011-08-07 12:24:25 <Namegduf> And is not a breakdown in communication, although one can be used to facilitate one.
662 2011-08-07 12:25:01 <Namegduf> But, yes, it can happen and that's why waiting for multiple confirmations exists.
663 2011-08-07 12:25:03 <topi`> I thought the protocol would try to reconcile differences in block chains
664 2011-08-07 12:25:19 <justmoon> topi`, not immediately, only when the side chain becomes longer than the main one
665 2011-08-07 12:25:21 <jargon> Diablo-D3, drazak, Silverpike.
666 2011-08-07 12:25:28 <Namegduf> The process still requires the history of both.
667 2011-08-07 12:25:38 <Namegduf> Up to the point of the split.
668 2011-08-07 12:26:16 <justmoon> you could safely delete spent outputs older than say 1000 blocks - a split that deep is negligible imho
669 2011-08-07 12:26:44 <justmoon> but our client though it doesn't really matter whether you could, because we want to keep that data anyway for the reasons I've mentioned before
670 2011-08-07 12:26:44 <Namegduf> Yeah.
671 2011-08-07 12:26:48 <TD> i'm thinking of dropping all block headers that are >1000 blocks back, at some point
672 2011-08-07 12:27:17 <TD> so the mobile apps using bitcoinj would not be able to properly handle splits of larger than that. but it seems unlikely that will ever happen barring some massive change to bitcoin itself
673 2011-08-07 12:27:30 <RealSolid> agreed td
674 2011-08-07 12:27:35 <topi`> TD: so how do you store the info they contain? make a tally about how many coins correspond to which pubkey?
675 2011-08-07 12:28:43 <topi`> without that, there's no way to see if the coin you received is backed up with enough value
676 2011-08-07 12:29:07 <TD> no. you throw away the contents after extracting transactions that send money to/from your wallet
677 2011-08-07 12:29:15 <TD> difficulty is used as a proxy for validity
678 2011-08-07 12:29:28 <TD> that is, you say, i've seen this tx be buried 3 blocks deep
679 2011-08-07 12:29:36 <TD> that's really hard to forge
680 2011-08-07 12:29:40 <TD> so i'll trust that i really did receive this money
681 2011-08-07 12:30:07 <justmoon> see the bitcoin paper, section 8
682 2011-08-07 12:30:09 <topi`> ok, I was thinking of an immediate notification of receiving a payment
683 2011-08-07 12:30:18 <TD> you can be immediately notified if you like
684 2011-08-07 12:30:28 <TD> it depends on your threat model and risk tolerance
685 2011-08-07 12:30:40 <topi`> but how can you be sure, without the block history, that the pubkey you've received contains enough coins?
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687 2011-08-07 12:31:06 <topi`> well, when the next block gets announced, then it becomes evident if the tx was valid or not
688 2011-08-07 12:31:44 <TD> connect to some random nodes
689 2011-08-07 12:31:55 <TD> if they relay the transaction, it means either (a) they are attackers or (b) the tx is valid
690 2011-08-07 12:32:07 <topi`> right
691 2011-08-07 12:32:17 <TD> whether they are attackers or not depends on things like how you are connecting to the internet, and how you selected the peers to connect to
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693 2011-08-07 12:32:38 <TD> a better way
694 2011-08-07 12:32:45 <TD> connect via SSL to a node you trust
695 2011-08-07 12:33:00 <TD> if it relays the transaction to you, it's good
696 2011-08-07 12:33:21 <TD> ideally, you could give a node some arbitrary tx and say "is this valid?" but the protocol doesn't support that. perhaps later.
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718 2011-08-07 13:22:36 <BCBot> Stats: http://bit.ly/bitcoin-irc-stats
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731 2011-08-07 14:04:09 <Diablo-D3> [08:20:01] <jargon> Diablo-D3, drazak, Silverpike.
732 2011-08-07 14:04:10 <Diablo-D3> what
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736 2011-08-07 14:22:32 <RealSolid> i thought transaction fees were 0.0005
737 2011-08-07 14:23:07 <RealSolid> when is the reason to use 0.001 enforced?
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742 2011-08-07 14:26:58 <RealSolid> (Request error: Array ( [code] => -4 [message] => Error: This transaction requires a transaction fee of at least 0.001 because of its amount, complexity, or use of recently received funds ) )
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756 2011-08-07 14:45:27 <phantomcircuit> RealSolid, almost certainly new coins
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759 2011-08-07 14:49:10 <RealSolid> i just realized that the fee structure isnt limited to a maximum
760 2011-08-07 14:49:25 <RealSolid> and there appears to be no way to determine the fee from json-api itself
761 2011-08-07 14:49:44 <jargon> CIA just left my house after being here for over 10 hours.
762 2011-08-07 14:52:08 <RealSolid> are you tom williams
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784 2011-08-07 15:06:30 <FractalUniverse> jargon: what did they find?:)
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791 2011-08-07 15:13:19 <doublec> RealSolid: yes, it's a pain if you want to pass the fee onto the customer
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794 2011-08-07 15:19:56 * freewil is away: I'm away
795 2011-08-07 15:20:10 * freewil is back (gone 00:00:04)
796 2011-08-07 15:20:26 * freewil is away: I'm away
797 2011-08-07 15:21:54 <jargon> FractalUniverse, I can tell you they definitely didn't tell me whether they found my son and whether he really was in South Amerika or not.
798 2011-08-07 15:22:22 <jargon> I hack WMDs.
799 2011-08-07 15:23:17 <jargon> My kid's mom and her husband were in this IRC channel while in san francisco at one point.
800 2011-08-07 15:25:04 <jargon> Reason they came to my house so readily was because I am using a computer one of their operatives had confirmed as destroyed.
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804 2011-08-07 15:26:39 <jargon> I unbricked the damn thing in less than 36 hours some months ago.
805 2011-08-07 15:26:46 <FractalUniverse> wmd = Weapons of Mass Destruction ?:o
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807 2011-08-07 15:27:53 <mabus> lol keal talking shit
808 2011-08-07 15:28:39 <jargon> FractalUniverse, yes
809 2011-08-07 15:28:57 * FractalUniverse is confused
810 2011-08-07 15:30:10 <jargon> The operatives also came by so readily, because the operative I spoke to simultaneously confirmed I was using the 'destroyed' computer while confirming I was the hacker that had a single click 'go' button set up for detonation nuclear weapons in every major city one timezone at a time in-order to knock Earth out of its orbit.
811 2011-08-07 15:30:20 <wumpus> unbricking WMDs, that sounds like fun :-)
812 2011-08-07 15:31:08 <Namegduf> Those terrorists, always screwing up rooting their WMDs.
813 2011-08-07 15:32:03 <jargon> It would have been a continuous 24hr barrage of nukes at the same angle from the sun in-order to nudge Earth out of its orbit.
814 2011-08-07 15:32:47 <Namegduf> Uh huh.
815 2011-08-07 15:32:57 <jargon> All Osama had was piece of shit commercial jets.
816 2011-08-07 15:33:11 <wumpus> this has nothing to do with bitcon development though
817 2011-08-07 15:33:18 <jargon> I have every weapon system in the world at my command.
818 2011-08-07 15:33:19 <wumpus> can you take this to #wmd-dev?
819 2011-08-07 15:33:28 <jargon> Bitcoin is Fawkes@Home
820 2011-08-07 15:33:52 <jargon> If you use bitcoin, you are part of a massive botnet
821 2011-08-07 15:33:54 <Namegduf> That's nice, jargon.
822 2011-08-07 15:33:57 <Namegduf> Want a cup of tea?
823 2011-08-07 15:34:43 <jargon> Teliros -> Glyph -> Vapor -> Bitcoin
824 2011-08-07 15:35:21 * Eliel votes for someone to kick that person with delusions of grandeur out of here.
825 2011-08-07 15:35:40 <jargon> How is it delusions of grandeur?
826 2011-08-07 15:36:37 <jargon> They let me out of the criminally insane prison after I had a nuclear bomber buzz the prison with the doors open in an exact 90 on a dime turn over the yard.
827 2011-08-07 15:37:00 <jargon> exactly 2 hours after down to the second I predicted it would arrive.
828 2011-08-07 15:37:26 <wumpus> jargon: you should write science fiction novels instead of spam irc channels
829 2011-08-07 15:37:30 <jargon> Having called in the nuclear airstrike on the prison using the prison phone.
830 2011-08-07 15:37:55 <jargon> wumpus, I am an imaginary friend gone horribly wrong.
831 2011-08-07 15:37:59 <jargon> I actually manifested.
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834 2011-08-07 15:47:09 <jargon> Plus I figured out how to duplicate already non-existent currency stored in invalid accounts for use in online payments.
835 2011-08-07 15:47:36 <jargon> (4096bit RSA crack)
836 2011-08-07 15:48:46 <mabus> http://pastebin.com/jANCaxAC
837 2011-08-07 15:48:56 <mabus> ^more of keals aka jargon bitcoin ramblings
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846 2011-08-07 16:17:23 <jargon> mabus, you are now k-lined from freenode for posting logs
847 2011-08-07 16:17:59 E-sense has quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
848 2011-08-07 16:18:06 <mabus> it was on first page for your nick
849 2011-08-07 16:18:11 <mabus> not my logs
850 2011-08-07 16:18:14 <mabus> also, clearly i am not klined
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852 2011-08-07 16:20:13 <mabus> also, funny you say you don't do drugs when i've literally watched you do drugs on webcam
853 2011-08-07 16:20:33 <cut> awesome this is starting to feel more and more like efnet
854 2011-08-07 16:21:23 <cut> someone should post dox to make it the trifecta
855 2011-08-07 16:21:37 <mabus> his dox are publically available
856 2011-08-07 16:21:47 <mabus> went to jail for raping a retarded kid, true story
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859 2011-08-07 16:22:46 <vegard> jargon, is that you.
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862 2011-08-07 16:26:29 <briareus> mabus: who?>
863 2011-08-07 16:26:52 <mabus> jargon aka keal
864 2011-08-07 16:27:02 <briareus> oh yeah I heard that from someone else
865 2011-08-07 16:27:07 <briareus> I thought you meant someone famous
866 2011-08-07 16:27:21 <briareus> mabus: what's your bitcoin address?
867 2011-08-07 16:27:26 <briareus> ;)
868 2011-08-07 16:27:32 <b4epoche_> wtf happened to this channel?
869 2011-08-07 16:27:51 <briareus> b4epoche_: ?
870 2011-08-07 16:28:04 <mabus> 1R1QyDyYdV479bGxNGMVLEbhU3nEhx6u2
871 2011-08-07 16:28:16 <b4epoche_> am I not in bitcoin-dev?
872 2011-08-07 16:28:42 <briareus> bitcoin sendtoaddress 1R1QyDyYdV479bGxNGMVLEbhU3nEhx6u2 0.025
873 2011-08-07 16:28:42 <briareus> 4df8f0d74acf425ee552a3707f605f9fa5ca6a21912e0a398e7a2169706d5f97
874 2011-08-07 16:28:49 <briareus> I PUT IT IN YOU
875 2011-08-07 16:28:57 <briareus> b4epoche_: indeed you are.
876 2011-08-07 16:29:06 <briareus> b4epoche_: unless we're all dead in bitcoinheaven
877 2011-08-07 16:29:24 <b4epoche_> so where's the dev talk?
878 2011-08-07 16:30:28 <briareus> start talking, stud
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883 2011-08-07 16:41:16 <vsrinivas> would patches be accepted in git format-patch style rather than github pull requests?
884 2011-08-07 16:41:29 <Eliel> b4epoche_: no mods around to keep it sensible, unfortunately.
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887 2011-08-07 16:42:34 <b4epoche_> Eliel: fortunately quieted down...
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913 2011-08-07 17:37:15 <jav__> question about accounts: If you have two accounts A and B, receive a transaction of 1 BTC on A, then execute a "move" from A to B and then the transaction turns out to be a double spend. Do you end up with A: -1 and B: 1, or with A: 0 and B: 0 ?
914 2011-08-07 17:38:47 <tcatm> jav__: I think it's A: -1, B: 1 but I haven't tried it.
915 2011-08-07 17:39:23 <jav__> tcatm: ok.. yeah, that's what I would guess as well
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921 2011-08-07 17:55:21 <Eliel> jav__: which transaction is the double spend? the "move" is a transaction too. Do you mean the move or the transaction that sent 1 BTC to A?
922 2011-08-07 17:55:46 <jav__> Eliel: with "move" I mean the RPC command move, which is not a transaction, but just internal book keeping
923 2011-08-07 17:56:12 <Eliel> oh, then I can't say anything :)
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944 2011-08-07 18:36:44 <MacDada> hi, there is an IMHO important request you really should consider pulling: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/415
945 2011-08-07 18:37:13 <MacDada> The client now doesnt support anonimity as it should  - when you spend money from your wallet, the app sends bitcoin from  (kinda) randomly selected your receiving addresses. So if you, for example, receive donations from one address and get a secret payment from another, there is a chance that Bitcoin app will spend money from both those addreses, destroying anonimity of your "secret" address. Unfortunately you cant choose address(e
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949 2011-08-07 18:42:38 <basti_> hey people.
950 2011-08-07 18:43:01 <basti_> I'm very interested in bitcoin as a system, and thus i just joined your chat.
951 2011-08-07 18:43:30 <copumpkin> ohai, another PL person
952 2011-08-07 18:43:36 <basti_> hi
953 2011-08-07 18:43:42 <basti_> o.0
954 2011-08-07 18:43:46 <Eliel> PL?
955 2011-08-07 18:43:53 <Eliel> and hello :)
956 2011-08-07 18:44:23 <basti_> that is: technical background and the question why not all bitcoins were created in the beginning.
957 2011-08-07 18:44:28 <basti_> hi Eliel and copumpkin
958 2011-08-07 18:45:10 <Giel> basti_: isn't it obvious? that would have made a very few people very rich (and as a result probably no one would adopt bitcoin)
959 2011-08-07 18:46:18 <lfm> basti_: and the system needs people to create "blocks". The mining is the reward so there is lots of volunteers
960 2011-08-07 18:46:39 <MacDada> copumpkin: by PL you mean from Poland?
961 2011-08-07 18:46:54 <copumpkin> I mean people interested in programming languages
962 2011-08-07 18:46:59 <MacDada> hehe ;]
963 2011-08-07 18:47:02 <copumpkin> at least I assume basti_ is :)
964 2011-08-07 18:47:06 <anatolbroder> :-)
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967 2011-08-07 18:48:51 <basti_> Giel: i see that point.
968 2011-08-07 18:49:10 <basti_> copumpkin: yes i'm that same person.
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971 2011-08-07 18:52:00 <basti_> is there somebody who's coding "beyond bitcoin" (eg. different currencies with different webs-of-trust maybe, or different client implementations)
972 2011-08-07 18:52:34 <lfm> basti_: there are several forks of bitcoin running
973 2011-08-07 18:52:46 <basti_> like... which ones?
974 2011-08-07 18:52:58 <lfm> namecoin and weeds
975 2011-08-07 18:53:08 <basti_> weeds.
976 2011-08-07 18:53:09 <basti_> ^^
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978 2011-08-07 18:54:30 <anatolbroder> I try to fopen (PHP) the mtgox ticker http://mtgox.com/api/0/data/ticker.php but I don't get it :-( Another JSON file like https://github.com/api/v2/json/repos/show/bitcoin is no problem. Check the code http://pastebin.com/ZiGRjMD5
979 2011-08-07 18:54:48 <basti_> so everybody with another genesis block creates a new currency in bitcoin?
980 2011-08-07 18:55:16 <lfm> kinda ya, there is more than that to it to do it properly
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982 2011-08-07 18:55:51 <basti_> probably you'd need to load that genesis block into a different client and make the clients behave well to other genesis blocks
983 2011-08-07 18:56:24 <lfm> basti_: you need to patch bitcoin to use a different port and a different node seed list
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985 2011-08-07 18:56:57 <basti_> ok, i see that point
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987 2011-08-07 18:59:57 <basti_> what would happen if someone tried to run blocks with a different magic number on the main network?
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989 2011-08-07 19:00:16 <theymos> No one would see them.
990 2011-08-07 19:00:25 <lfm> theyd just be rejected as noise I think
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992 2011-08-07 19:01:01 <lfm> it would be a kinda dumb thing to do
993 2011-08-07 19:01:08 <basti_> but it would possible to make a client run on all magic numbers available? :D
994 2011-08-07 19:01:24 <basti_> or at least, on all applicable
995 2011-08-07 19:01:34 <lfm> basti_: I dont see the point
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997 2011-08-07 19:01:41 <basti_> uh, different currencies.
998 2011-08-07 19:01:47 <basti_> kin
999 2011-08-07 19:01:47 <basti_> a
1000 2011-08-07 19:01:49 <basti_> kinda
1001 2011-08-07 19:02:10 <lfm> most of them arnt worth anything so if you dont have a good reason to play with them, you would not want to.
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1004 2011-08-07 19:03:31 <basti_> hmm, actually i was thinking about some kind of "negotiatable instrument" in a bitcoin-like environment
1005 2011-08-07 19:03:54 <basti_> for a start, think of enforcing some kind of delay on transactions.
1006 2011-08-07 19:04:03 <lfm> that would not be using the block chain I dont think
1007 2011-08-07 19:04:05 <theymos> You need to change more than the magic or else some attacker can easily destroy all of your blocks by introducing you to the Bitcoin chain.
1008 2011-08-07 19:04:11 <basti_> transactions with illegal delays would be invalid
1009 2011-08-07 19:05:01 <Namegduf> I don't understand why everyone wants to fragment the currency
1010 2011-08-07 19:05:15 <basti_> theymos: i was thinking of a different client... ordinary clients just would ignore a different one, and the new ones would follow the rules they like.
1011 2011-08-07 19:05:20 <Namegduf> I mean, is having to exchange so incredibly awesome they're worried about losing it?
1012 2011-08-07 19:05:51 <Namegduf> basti_: theymos is correct. Your different client would need to be different in more ways for attackers to be unable to just introduce it to the regular bitcoin chain.
1013 2011-08-07 19:05:55 <basti_> Namegduf: do you know "join-stock companies"?
1014 2011-08-07 19:06:00 <Namegduf> You would have to make that impossible.
1015 2011-08-07 19:06:01 <Namegduf> No.
1016 2011-08-07 19:06:14 <lfm> I think people feel they missed the gold rush but they can start a new one to get in on the ground floor.
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1018 2011-08-07 19:06:58 <basti_> i was more thinking about enabling things like "negotiatable instruments" and "joint-stock-companies" the same way bitcoin works, but under different rules
1019 2011-08-07 19:07:13 <sn-2011a> Im trying to port bitcoind for openBSD. I read on the fourms that it is possible to compile bitcoind with out the wxWidgets dependency. Does anyone know how to exclude the wxWidgets dep?
1020 2011-08-07 19:07:16 <justmoon> TD: meetup announced: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35224.0
1021 2011-08-07 19:07:21 <lfm> basti_: well I dont know about that
1022 2011-08-07 19:08:01 <justmoon> TD: I've got three people on the english speaking mailing list and six people on the german speaking list - I don't have bitdragon's email
1023 2011-08-07 19:08:10 <TD> ok
1024 2011-08-07 19:08:11 <basti_> lfm: i was thinking about extending the technology to new fields of similar structure.
1025 2011-08-07 19:08:11 <TD> great
1026 2011-08-07 19:08:18 <justmoon> announcement is ok?
1027 2011-08-07 19:08:29 <justmoon> wasn't sure if you'd want me to mention the "googler coming" :)
1028 2011-08-07 19:08:38 <TD> no it's fine. hopefully he will actually be around ;)
1029 2011-08-07 19:08:38 <basti_> lfm: eg. in a way, you can think about "stocks" as some kind of specialized "currency".
1030 2011-08-07 19:08:47 <TD> what is liip?
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1033 2011-08-07 19:09:06 <justmoon> TD: ok, I'm sending the emails out now then
1034 2011-08-07 19:09:30 <basti_> lfm: the same way i would like to see a way of trading stocks the way you can trade bitcoin.
1035 2011-08-07 19:09:35 <lfm> basti_: well some people think about bitcoins as a commodity rather than as a currency
1036 2011-08-07 19:09:48 <basti_> this is true, definitely
1037 2011-08-07 19:10:15 <lfm> basti_: the exchanges operate as a commodity market then rather than a currency exchange
1038 2011-08-07 19:10:28 <basti_> true.
1039 2011-08-07 19:11:06 <basti_> actually, you're saying: bitcoin isn't currency, and i agree with you on that.
1040 2011-08-07 19:11:13 <lfm> as a commodity bitcoin is uniquly "portable" crossing international borders without taxes or customs
1041 2011-08-07 19:11:46 <basti_> this is true, and an important notion, yes.
1042 2011-08-07 19:12:01 <basti_> also i found that there is an unique value of trust on it's technology
1043 2011-08-07 19:12:15 <basti_> basically, it's proven.
1044 2011-08-07 19:12:21 <lfm> thats not really unique. that is part of any currency
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1046 2011-08-07 19:12:52 <basti_> i'm not entirely sure in some aspects that might be shown as peripheral
1047 2011-08-07 19:13:05 <TD> weird
1048 2011-08-07 19:13:17 <TD> gmail classified the german version of your mail as important, but the english one wasn't
1049 2011-08-07 19:13:26 <lfm> hehe
1050 2011-08-07 19:13:37 <lfm> most spam is in english?
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1078 2011-08-07 20:02:00 <aaa3> can anyone point me to the right ressources where I can learn how to verify that a btc transaction has been confirmed? im using php
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1081 2011-08-07 20:04:40 <basti_> aaa3: i think you might want to interface to the c code of the client instead of trying to imitate it in php
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1083 2011-08-07 20:06:30 <graingert> heya
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1086 2011-08-07 20:09:28 <basti_> am i correct in that usual "scripts" would command any client to check that the current owner of the bitcoin signed the transaction?
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1093 2011-08-07 20:12:31 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,gend
1094 2011-08-07 20:12:32 <gribble> (bc,gend <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
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1096 2011-08-07 20:14:08 <XRcode> diff=1888786.7053531; hashrate=3750000000; python -c "print $diff * 2**32 / $hashrate / 60 / 60.0 / 24"
1097 2011-08-07 20:14:08 <XRcode> 25.0378923723
1098 2011-08-07 20:14:12 <XRcode> that works good too
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1100 2011-08-07 20:16:39 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,gend 1600 502.92155041
1101 2011-08-07 20:16:40 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1600 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 502.92155041, is 3.19995317149 BTC per day and 0.133331382146 BTC per hour.
1102 2011-08-07 20:16:51 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calcd 1600 502.92155041
1103 2011-08-07 20:16:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1600 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 502.92155041, is 2 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, and 19 seconds
1104 2011-08-07 20:16:59 <phantomcircuit> ffs
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1117 2011-08-07 20:36:42 <neofutur> is it technically possible to do something to have fastest btc transfers between 2 echanges ?
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1119 2011-08-07 20:37:03 <neofutur> hard to make arbitrage when you still have only 2 confirmations after 1 hour
1120 2011-08-07 20:37:43 <neofutur> would be possible to have nodes having a priority on confirming exchanges transactions ?
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1123 2011-08-07 20:38:02 <ThomasV> keep a buffer of btc at both exchanges
1124 2011-08-07 20:38:16 <neofutur> not answering my question
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1126 2011-08-07 20:38:51 <imsaguy> neofutur, if the exchanges had some sort of communication between one another
1127 2011-08-07 20:39:24 <lfm> neofutur: yes of course it would be "possible" best way to do that is offer higher fees
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1129 2011-08-07 20:40:13 <imsaguy> lfm, best for who?
1130 2011-08-07 20:40:16 <neofutur> ok, no way for a miner or pool to have a priority on confirming those transactions ?
1131 2011-08-07 20:40:35 <imsaguy> if the pool knew which addresses, they could make sure to have them included
1132 2011-08-07 20:40:39 <lfm> why would they?
1133 2011-08-07 20:41:18 <lfm> best for miner and if those txn are time critical then everyone gains
1134 2011-08-07 20:41:19 <neofutur> to have fastest transfers between exchanges, without having higher fees
1135 2011-08-07 20:41:40 <graingert> neofutur: ripple pay
1136 2011-08-07 20:42:05 <lfm> why would the miner put lower fee txn before ones hthat have higher fees?
1137 2011-08-07 20:42:06 <graingert> neofutur: ripplepay then exchanged send all their bitcoin in one go weekly
1138 2011-08-07 20:42:42 <graingert> so each exchange would owe each other
1139 2011-08-07 20:43:10 <graingert> if they trusted eachother
1140 2011-08-07 20:43:10 <graingert> if not they would go through a trusted co-ripplenode
1141 2011-08-07 20:44:20 <neofutur> ok
1142 2011-08-07 20:44:25 <neofutur> another question
1143 2011-08-07 20:44:29 <neofutur> all my cpuminers crashed on segfault this night
1144 2011-08-07 20:44:32 <neofutur> never happened for months before
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1146 2011-08-07 20:44:44 <lfm> miners are under no obligation to put thru free txn at all.
1147 2011-08-07 20:44:48 <neofutur> have been an attack on the bitcoin network ?
1148 2011-08-07 20:44:57 <Namegduf> lfm: Any transaction at all, in fact.
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1150 2011-08-07 20:45:43 <mrb_> hey, we have now mined 7 million BTC... milestone reached about 2-3 hours ago
1151 2011-08-07 20:45:53 <neofutur> same crash at the same time on 10 different computers . . . strange nop ?
1152 2011-08-07 20:45:54 <imsaguy> yeah
1153 2011-08-07 20:46:07 <imsaguy> yeah to the milestone
1154 2011-08-07 20:46:14 <neofutur> when cpuminer never segfaulted before
1155 2011-08-07 20:46:19 <lfm> neofutur: what miner was it?
1156 2011-08-07 20:46:26 <neofutur> jgarzik cpuminer
1157 2011-08-07 20:46:52 <neofutur> could be a reason why the network rate gone done if i m not the only one
1158 2011-08-07 20:47:02 <lfm> did all 10 start their run at the same time too?
1159 2011-08-07 20:47:13 <neofutur> no
1160 2011-08-07 20:47:13 <mtrlt> i doubt cpu miners contribute that much to the overall hashrate :P
1161 2011-08-07 20:47:32 <lfm> mtrlt: agreed
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1163 2011-08-07 20:47:42 <neofutur> depend of the number of botnets mining
1164 2011-08-07 20:47:46 <imsaguy> lol
1165 2011-08-07 20:47:49 <imsaguy> even still
1166 2011-08-07 20:47:55 <mtrlt> yeah
1167 2011-08-07 20:47:58 <imsaguy> its probably an order smaller than gpu
1168 2011-08-07 20:48:00 <mtrlt> you'd need a huge botnet mining 24/7 :P
1169 2011-08-07 20:48:06 <lfm> most likely a bug in that miner
1170 2011-08-07 20:48:14 <mtrlt> since the average cpu gets probably like 2 MH/s
1171 2011-08-07 20:48:33 <imsaguy> mine gets more than that mtrlt
1172 2011-08-07 20:48:42 <imsaguy> I think my laptop got more than that even
1173 2011-08-07 20:48:45 <mtrlt> well mine gets 15MH/s
1174 2011-08-07 20:48:47 <mtrlt> i said average
1175 2011-08-07 20:48:56 <imsaguy> dude, the laptops 4 years old
1176 2011-08-07 20:48:56 <mtrlt> most computers suck ass
1177 2011-08-07 20:48:57 <basti_> so most of you actually are trying to mine
1178 2011-08-07 20:48:59 <basti_> ?
1179 2011-08-07 20:48:59 <lfm> the average core?
1180 2011-08-07 20:49:22 <mtrlt> basti_: it's not about trying. you mine or not.
1181 2011-08-07 20:49:27 <mtrlt> if you try and fail, you are an idiot :P
1182 2011-08-07 20:49:32 <basti_> XD
1183 2011-08-07 20:49:35 <mtrlt> lfm: hmm, yea.
1184 2011-08-07 20:49:38 <lfm> basti_: its like buying lottery tickets these days. costs you more than you get on average
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1186 2011-08-07 20:49:49 <basti_> i understand.
1187 2011-08-07 20:49:52 <imsaguy> well duh
1188 2011-08-07 20:49:59 <mtrlt> lfm: depends on power prices.
1189 2011-08-07 20:50:02 <imsaguy> any lottery that gives out more than it takes in isn't a lottery
1190 2011-08-07 20:50:13 <mtrlt> lfm: for me the profitability point would be at $4.3 or so
1191 2011-08-07 20:50:23 <mtrlt> and one kWh is $0.18
1192 2011-08-07 20:50:24 <lfm> ya well bitcoin wasnt always that way.
1193 2011-08-07 20:50:56 <lfm> mtrlt: at current difficulty?
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1195 2011-08-07 20:51:12 <mtrlt> lfm: yes
1196 2011-08-07 20:51:15 <neofutur> 1 btc / month on free power is still 1 btc won ;) and no lottery
1197 2011-08-07 20:51:34 <mtrlt> neofutur: managing the miners is gonna cost more of your time than 1 BTC :P
1198 2011-08-07 20:51:43 <mtrlt> (per month)
1199 2011-08-07 20:51:47 <lfm> ya and people freeloading their power
1200 2011-08-07 20:51:58 <neofutur> nop, pretty easy with mining-proxy
1201 2011-08-07 20:52:16 <mtrlt> neofutur: what about miner or GPU crashes?
1202 2011-08-07 20:52:20 <mtrlt> (not that i've ever had those)
1203 2011-08-07 20:52:24 <mtrlt> (in 4 months)
1204 2011-08-07 20:52:37 <neofutur> first tiem my cpuminers crashed this night
1205 2011-08-07 20:52:48 <lfm> I dont think botnets are big on mining at this point anyway
1206 2011-08-07 20:52:57 <neofutur> never crashed before, and all crashed at the same time
1207 2011-08-07 20:53:36 <neofutur> setup took time for miningproxy, but after that it takes me no time
1208 2011-08-07 20:53:41 <lfm> neofutur: ya that is interesting, was there anything special happened in bitcoin to cause it tho?
1209 2011-08-07 20:54:03 <neofutur> thats my question, if anyone reported an attack on the network
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1212 2011-08-07 20:54:21 <neofutur> if i m not alone to have seen this
1213 2011-08-07 20:54:37 <lfm> but only cpuminer?
1214 2011-08-07 20:54:39 <neofutur> if there was some king of buggy block, dunno
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1216 2011-08-07 20:55:09 <mtrlt> or a specific kind of network failure
1217 2011-08-07 20:55:12 <neofutur> yes only unmodified jgarzik cpuminers on more or less 10 different computers idle cpu time
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1219 2011-08-07 20:55:21 <mtrlt> unless your miners are in different networks
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1221 2011-08-07 20:55:33 <neofutur> 3 different datacenters
1222 2011-08-07 20:56:27 <b4epoche_> copumpkin: you around?
1223 2011-08-07 20:56:43 <copumpkin> sort of
1224 2011-08-07 20:57:01 <b4epoche_> you have a few minutes to test BitcoinTrader?
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1226 2011-08-07 20:57:48 <copumpkin> sure
1227 2011-08-07 20:58:04 <b4epoche_> hold on, dropboxing
1228 2011-08-07 20:58:51 <b4epoche_> I made some graphs for the account history (like ROI stuff) but I need a more active trader to test...
1229 2011-08-07 20:59:06 <b4epoche_> although nowadays is probably not a good time to check your ROI
1230 2011-08-07 20:59:26 <copumpkin> :)
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1232 2011-08-07 21:00:00 <copumpkin> unfortunately not all my coins are in mtgox anymore
1233 2011-08-07 21:00:06 <copumpkin> so that makes it harder to calculate
1234 2011-08-07 21:00:29 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
1235 2011-08-07 21:00:35 <gribble> The read operation timed out
1236 2011-08-07 21:00:44 <b4epoche_> yea, but I'm just trying to see if it works with more active accounts.
1237 2011-08-07 21:00:53 <b4epoche_> copumpkin: where are your other coins?
1238 2011-08-07 21:00:57 <copumpkin> hellobitcoin
1239 2011-08-07 21:01:08 <copumpkin> quite liking it, but it's pretty quiet cause very few people use it
1240 2011-08-07 21:01:14 <b4epoche_> ah, ezl got to you, eh?
1241 2011-08-07 21:01:16 <copumpkin> yeah
1242 2011-08-07 21:01:25 <b4epoche_> seems like a good fella
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1244 2011-08-07 21:02:10 <b4epoche_> I wonder to eventually get data from all the exchanges.
1245 2011-08-07 21:02:20 <copumpkin> he has a pretty sane API
1246 2011-08-07 21:02:53 <b4epoche_> I need to tap into the hellobitcoin (I really don't like that name) API
1247 2011-08-07 21:03:21 <copumpkin> join #hellobitcoin :)
1248 2011-08-07 21:04:03 <copumpkin> MacDada: that was useul
1249 2011-08-07 21:04:16 <b4epoche_> wrong channel copumpkin
1250 2011-08-07 21:04:17 copumpkin is now known as tater
1251 2011-08-07 21:04:22 tater is now known as copumpkin
1252 2011-08-07 21:04:36 <copumpkin> b4epoche_: he joined, said something useful, and parted
1253 2011-08-07 21:04:40 <MacDada> copumpkin: the pleasure is mine ;]
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1257 2011-08-07 21:06:52 <b4epoche_> copumpkin: http://db.tt/oGZeFpv
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1261 2011-08-07 21:07:24 <b4epoche_> and anyone else that trusts me and wants to test an OSX app for viewing mtgox transactions
1262 2011-08-07 21:07:54 <copumpkin> what should I be doing?
1263 2011-08-07 21:08:16 <b4epoche_> go, Exchanges/Mt. Gox/Account
1264 2011-08-07 21:08:36 <b4epoche_> a graph should show up once the data is transferred
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1267 2011-08-07 21:08:50 <b4epoche_> it's way to small by default so just make it bigger
1268 2011-08-07 21:08:55 <copumpkin> hmm, I don't see any graph
1269 2011-08-07 21:09:16 <copumpkin> hmm, maybe it isn't connected or something
1270 2011-08-07 21:09:16 <copumpkin> http://snapplr.com/2v55
1271 2011-08-07 21:09:23 <copumpkin> it does show my transaction history though
1272 2011-08-07 21:09:50 <copumpkin> the utilities and exchanges menus look awfully odd by the way
1273 2011-08-07 21:09:54 <b4epoche_> there are three panels⦠middle one is graph
1274 2011-08-07 21:09:56 <copumpkin> they have way less space on the left hand side than the other ones
1275 2011-08-07 21:10:05 <copumpkin> I only have two panels
1276 2011-08-07 21:10:38 <copumpkin> maybe it's leftover settings from the previous install?
1277 2011-08-07 21:10:39 <b4epoche_> did you download the latest?
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1279 2011-08-07 21:10:45 <copumpkin> I downloaded the one you gave me
1280 2011-08-07 21:10:56 <b4epoche_> BTCTrader has no settings ;-)
1281 2011-08-07 21:11:10 <copumpkin> it doesn't remember where the splitter used to be?
1282 2011-08-07 21:11:39 <b4epoche_> not seeing something like: http://snapplr.com/8qxq
1283 2011-08-07 21:11:45 <copumpkin> nope
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1285 2011-08-07 21:12:13 <b4epoche_> you see two Tx histories like: http://snapplr.com/vr4a
1286 2011-08-07 21:12:23 <copumpkin> nope
1287 2011-08-07 21:12:29 <copumpkin> I'll redownload
1288 2011-08-07 21:12:52 * b4epoche_ ought to start a version numbering system
1289 2011-08-07 21:13:01 <copumpkin> nope
1290 2011-08-07 21:13:07 <copumpkin> the one you gave me doesn't have that stuff
1291 2011-08-07 21:14:22 <b4epoche_> oh, didn't drop the new one in the Public folder...
1292 2011-08-07 21:14:27 <b4epoche_> it's there now...
1293 2011-08-07 21:15:03 <b4epoche_> hold
1294 2011-08-07 21:15:40 <copumpkin> hold?
1295 2011-08-07 21:15:41 <b4epoche_> okay there now
1296 2011-08-07 21:16:31 <copumpkin> I even put in a pretty order
1297 2011-08-07 21:16:35 <copumpkin> just to see if it can see my orders
1298 2011-08-07 21:16:52 <copumpkin> ooh look at that pretty graph
1299 2011-08-07 21:17:10 * copumpkin doesn't quite get what it means though
1300 2011-08-07 21:17:25 <ThomasV> which graph ?
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1302 2011-08-07 21:17:34 <copumpkin> the order doesn't show up in my orders section
1303 2011-08-07 21:17:39 <b4epoche_> red is 100xfees
1304 2011-08-07 21:17:40 <copumpkin> not sure if that's because I didn't give the key full permissions
1305 2011-08-07 21:17:53 <b4epoche_> copumpkin: probably
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1307 2011-08-07 21:18:06 <b4epoche_> yellow is sells, green is buys
1308 2011-08-07 21:18:27 <b4epoche_> purple is value, orange is invested
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1310 2011-08-07 21:18:56 <copumpkin> hmm
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1312 2011-08-07 21:19:43 <b4epoche_> with all the data, you should want purple curve above orange one for a +ve ROI
1313 2011-08-07 21:19:50 <copumpkin> what I meant by the way was http://snapplr.com/447w vs http://snapplr.com/2w50
1314 2011-08-07 21:20:26 <b4epoche_> oh, yea, I knowâ¦
1315 2011-08-07 21:21:04 <b4epoche_> space for 'checks' isn't there⦠and probably shouldn't be but it does make things inconsistent
1316 2011-08-07 21:21:21 <copumpkin> yeah, all menus everywhere have that space
1317 2011-08-07 21:21:24 <copumpkin> even with no checkmarks
1318 2011-08-07 21:21:31 <copumpkin> in fact, most mac OS menus don't use checkmarks
1319 2011-08-07 21:22:14 <b4epoche_> yea, I know⦠it was an IB checkbox that I check off since there wouldn't be check marks in the menus
1320 2011-08-07 21:22:21 <copumpkin> ah :)
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1322 2011-08-07 21:22:49 <b4epoche_> I wasn't exactly sure what change it would make
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1324 2011-08-07 21:23:11 <copumpkin> :)
1325 2011-08-07 21:23:33 <chinaskibit> Watching a presentation at defcoin right now, on bitcoins :)
1326 2011-08-07 21:23:40 <copumpkin> defcoin? lol
1327 2011-08-07 21:23:51 <chinaskibit> lol
1328 2011-08-07 21:23:53 <chinaskibit> defcon*
1329 2011-08-07 21:25:22 <b4epoche_> pumpkoin
1330 2011-08-07 21:25:27 <b4epoche_> co_pumpk_in
1331 2011-08-07 21:25:51 * b4epoche_ is off to shuck some corn...
1332 2011-08-07 21:26:03 <copumpkin> :O
1333 2011-08-07 21:26:53 <chinaskibit> Dan Kaminsky gave a talk here and said a little bit about bitcoins
1334 2011-08-07 21:27:24 <chinaskibit> He thought the code was pretty robust
1335 2011-08-07 21:28:25 <imsaguy> corn shucker!
1336 2011-08-07 21:29:07 * b4epoche_ waited long enough that someone else shucked it ;-)
1337 2011-08-07 21:29:34 <b4epoche_> chinaskibit: did he look at the code?
1338 2011-08-07 21:29:41 <chinaskibit> Yeah
1339 2011-08-07 21:33:02 <chinaskibit> What he said was looking at it up front, it looks bad up front, but once you scratch the surface, it's actually really bad
1340 2011-08-07 21:33:07 <chinaskibit> good
1341 2011-08-07 21:33:09 <chinaskibit> not bad
1342 2011-08-07 21:33:11 MacDada has left ()
1343 2011-08-07 21:33:16 <chinaskibit> sorry watching another conference
1344 2011-08-07 21:33:19 <chinaskibit> got confuese
1345 2011-08-07 21:33:20 <chinaskibit> d
1346 2011-08-07 21:33:28 <justmoon> chinaskibit, we've all read the slides - do you know if the talk is being taped?
1347 2011-08-07 21:33:41 <chinaskibit> It was
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1349 2011-08-07 21:33:49 <chinaskibit> I'm watching from my room
1350 2011-08-07 21:33:57 <justmoon> oh lol
1351 2011-08-07 21:33:59 <justmoon> link?
1352 2011-08-07 21:34:05 <Doktor99__> http://www.bitcoinmoney.com/post/8493775234/dan-kaminsky-toorcon-bitcoin
1353 2011-08-07 21:34:07 <chinaskibit> I mean my hotel room
1354 2011-08-07 21:34:15 <chinaskibit> closed circuit tv
1355 2011-08-07 21:34:33 <justmoon> ah I see
1356 2011-08-07 21:36:08 <chinaskibit> But the dvds will be avaialbe
1357 2011-08-07 21:37:37 <graingert> where is the bitcoin-qt irc?
1358 2011-08-07 21:37:48 <graingert> not at #bitcoin-qt
1359 2011-08-07 21:37:52 <ThomasV> tcatm: why is ruxum not included in bitcoincharts ?
1360 2011-08-07 21:39:35 <neofutur> rucum still have no api
1361 2011-08-07 21:39:38 <graingert> chinaskibit: is it live online?
1362 2011-08-07 21:39:51 <neofutur> private beta and no api
1363 2011-08-07 21:39:53 <chinaskibit> I don't think so
1364 2011-08-07 21:39:58 <tcatm> ThomasV: ask them :)
1365 2011-08-07 21:40:06 <neofutur> already bettter than tradehil, but with no api . . .
1366 2011-08-07 21:40:07 <chinaskibit> I mean they sell the dvd's for like 299 dollars
1367 2011-08-07 21:40:12 <chinaskibit> so I'm going to go with no
1368 2011-08-07 21:40:58 <graingert> duffcon
1369 2011-08-07 21:41:08 <graingert> it will be on the bay
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1375 2011-08-07 21:49:11 <neofutur> ( if anyone want ruxum invites pm me )
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1378 2011-08-07 21:50:28 <imsaguy> neofutur, what is it?
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1381 2011-08-07 21:53:11 * b4epoche_ doesn't know much about Kaminsky but why would he talk about something he seems to not really understand well?
1382 2011-08-07 21:59:05 <aaa3> 3.24 is the latest version?
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1384 2011-08-07 22:00:30 <edcba> not scalable & not anonymous indeed
1385 2011-08-07 22:02:33 <edcba> haha the first five times you think you understand it you don't :)
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1387 2011-08-07 22:04:01 <CIA-103> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas master * r07fede7 / (lib/bitcoin.js package.json): Version bump to 0.0.8. ... https://github.com/bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p/commit/07fede77104fb4dc1712d634155217454b85d158
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1392 2011-08-07 22:13:53 <neofutur> imsaguy: a new exchange, private beta only, pretty well done but no API yet
1393 2011-08-07 22:16:36 <imsaguy> web based only?
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1396 2011-08-07 22:19:04 <eianpsego> b4epoche, what was it that you felt he didn't understand?
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1398 2011-08-07 22:20:25 <wardearia> This just in: I am now actively engaging audience directly If you were to read an article about security and bitcoin, what kind of contents would you appreciate, enjoy, value, (insert more words here that you desire to see), etc?
1399 2011-08-07 22:20:25 <eianpsego> Kamisky is well known in the security community for finding vulnerabilities in DNS
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1410 2011-08-07 22:28:16 <b4epoche_> eianpsego: some of the scaling issues (and I'm not claiming I understand it either, just that I wouldn't be giving examples unless I was sure I knew what I was talking about)
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1412 2011-08-07 22:38:39 <eianpsego> b4epoche, I had seen the slides - didn't see the talk. The slides looked technically correct to me, but I'd be glad to hear why others disagree with him/me. I'm part of a research group that is studying the protocol.
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1417 2011-08-07 22:41:27 <aaa3> exec bitcoind
1418 2011-08-07 22:41:28 <aaa3> -bash: exec: bitcoind: not found
1419 2011-08-07 22:41:30 <aaa3> why..
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1422 2011-08-07 22:43:08 <devon_hillard> is there a bitcoin chart that takes into account difficulty as well as the mtgox exchange rate?
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1424 2011-08-07 22:44:03 <devon_hillard> ;;bc,calc 100000
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1426 2011-08-07 22:44:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 100000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1888786.7053531 , is 2 years, 29 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 6 minutes, and 11 seconds
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1437 2011-08-07 23:07:50 <doublec> eianpsego: regarding scalability: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability
1438 2011-08-07 23:08:17 <doublec> eianpsego: gmaxwell added some notes regarding Kaminsky's criticism's
1439 2011-08-07 23:08:36 <doublec> eianpsego: here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:Scalability
1440 2011-08-07 23:09:12 <b4epoche_> eianpsego: what research group⦠basically I agree with the points raised in the comments that seem to have recently disappeared here: http://www.slideshare.net/dakami/black-ops-of-tcpip-2011-black-hat-usa-2011
1441 2011-08-07 23:13:43 <eianpsego> e4epoche, http://siis.cse.psu.edu/people.html
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1443 2011-08-07 23:16:33 <eianpsego> doublec, I'll take a look at those pages - thanks
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1447 2011-08-07 23:32:07 <wumpus> any forum mods here? need one urgently, someone (cowface1234) is spamming the forum with empty topics
1448 2011-08-07 23:32:35 <upb> < eianpsego> Kamisky is well known in the security community for finding vulnerabilities in DNS
1449 2011-08-07 23:32:45 <upb> s/finding/overhyping/
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1455 2011-08-07 23:44:05 <cjdelisle> re the forum, also notice: http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/17637/
1456 2011-08-07 23:44:20 <cjdelisle> idk if it applies to 1.1.13 but I wouldn't pass it off.
1457 2011-08-07 23:45:34 <wumpus> cjdelisle: I think it's better to send theymos a PM, doesn't seem to be any forum guys here
1458 2011-08-07 23:47:13 <cjdelisle> and yea Dan Bernstein had written about DNS poison long before and had (mostly) solved the problem with source port randomization. Kaminsky found a different angle on the attack which was cool but he seemed to imply that DNSSEC was the only solution and DNSSEC isn't really a solution at all.
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