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  12 2011-08-08 00:08:59 <toxicFork> say I encrypt a wallet, store it somewhere, and then copy it into a sandbox to decrypt-then-use (generate one address and send coins from that ) and then I wipe that sandbox. When should I re-store my wallet until it can't recognise the new addresses?
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  15 2011-08-08 00:09:23 <glassresistor> hey i just updated m0mchills poclbm and the old commands arnt working
  16 2011-08-08 00:09:27 <toxicFork> I mean... "how many generations later do I need to re-store it"
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  18 2011-08-08 00:09:38 <glassresistor> im trying to copy the help file but im making some mistake
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  21 2011-08-08 00:10:22 <cjdelisle> glassresistor: AFAIK every new address means your wallet has changed and you need to store again :(
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  23 2011-08-08 00:11:21 <glassresistor> the command im running roughly is ./poclbm -d0 -v user:pass@https://api.bitcoin.cz:8332#slush
  24 2011-08-08 00:11:31 <glassresistor> cjdelisle: what are you talking aobut?
  25 2011-08-08 00:11:45 <toxicFork> cjdelisle nope, it's 100!
  26 2011-08-08 00:11:48 <toxicFork> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_your_wallet#Technical_Background
  27 2011-08-08 00:12:08 <glassresistor> and im getting an http transport error saying i aleast need one server
  28 2011-08-08 00:12:18 <cjdelisle> k then AFAIK meant IDK
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  30 2011-08-08 00:12:58 <glassresistor> i know other ppl here are you using
  31 2011-08-08 00:13:06 <glassresistor> is there nothing wrong iwth that command?
  32 2011-08-08 00:14:38 <toxicFork> i use phoenix!
  33 2011-08-08 00:14:42 <toxicFork> anyway gotta go
  34 2011-08-08 00:14:45 <toxicFork> thanks cjdelisle for trying :p
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  36 2011-08-08 00:16:18 <delson> Hi there, have a question I was going to post on the forums...but I figured I might as well put it in here. I am planning on experimenting with some of the bitcoin network rules & transaction system, and I wish to use an entirely seperate blockchain. I know Testnet exists for development, but I seek to run a completely seperate blockchain with a new genesis block (the clients will also
  37 2011-08-08 00:16:18 <delson> use different connection ports so it doesn't conflict). I read this forum thread here and saw that about a year ago Gavin was having issues creating a new genesis block for a new blockchain. Has anyone done this, yet?
  38 2011-08-08 00:17:40 <doublec> delson: see here https://github.com/sacarlson/MultiCoin/blob/master/create_new_genisis_block.txt
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  40 2011-08-08 00:18:16 <doublec> delson: multicoin might be a good testbed for that since it supports a few different blockchains
  41 2011-08-08 00:18:56 <enki> hey, if i wanted some testnet coins for testing our code
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  43 2011-08-08 00:19:24 <enki> are ppl willing to share the testnet wealth, or am i better off just going for a new testnet
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  45 2011-08-08 00:20:03 <enki> (i don't want to mine just to test code)
  46 2011-08-08 00:20:33 <delson> Doublec, thanks for the link. This looks like it will be fun. How long has Mutlicoin been around for?
  47 2011-08-08 00:21:04 <doublec> delson: a few weeks I think. sacarlson is often in this channel and he works on it.
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  57 2011-08-08 00:30:33 <glassresistor> well i figured it out the http:// needs to be before the user:passs@host to user:pass@http:host
  58 2011-08-08 00:30:45 <glassresistor> weird order m0mchill
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  61 2011-08-08 00:33:11 <glassresistor> so the output has changed as well im getting two megahashes what does that mean?
  62 2011-08-08 00:33:11 <Caesium> completely standard way of doing basic http auth isn't it?
  63 2011-08-08 00:33:44 <luke-jr> something might be up
  64 2011-08-08 00:33:53 <luke-jr> ljrbot's bitcoind was at 100% CPU
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  66 2011-08-08 00:34:29 <glassresistor> slush3[377.969MH/s (~256 MH/s)] [Rej 0/3 (0.00%)]
  67 2011-08-08 00:34:38 <Caesium> http://user:pass@host:port = the way all browsers do http auth :)
  68 2011-08-08 00:34:48 <glassresistor> ah
  69 2011-08-08 00:34:54 <glassresistor> whats the output mean
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  71 2011-08-08 00:35:00 <glassresistor> which number is which
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  74 2011-08-08 00:35:32 <jtaylor> first current hashrate over X seconds, second "luck hashrate" based on accepted shares per second
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  76 2011-08-08 00:36:20 <glassresistor> so the first is the "normal" hash and the 2nd is the accepted hash rate
  77 2011-08-08 00:36:58 <glassresistor> ?
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  80 2011-08-08 00:37:28 <luke-jr> glassresistor: #eligius ;)
  81 2011-08-08 00:37:29 <jtaylor> yes
  82 2011-08-08 00:37:42 <glassresistor> anyone know why 6970s hash rate goes down if i got to >900mhz
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  84 2011-08-08 00:38:03 <glassresistor> jtaylor: thanks current the 2nd number is higher, guess im lucky
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  86 2011-08-08 00:38:57 <luke-jr> glassresistor: because overclocking equals damage
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  92 2011-08-08 00:47:17 <[Tycho]> luke-jr, it doesn't.
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  94 2011-08-08 00:48:14 <glassresistor> still why is it slow
  95 2011-08-08 00:48:55 <Zagitta> probably because it's overheating or the chip is unstable at that clock
  96 2011-08-08 00:49:28 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: it does
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 100 2011-08-08 00:59:57 <Zagitta> luke-jr: study the structure of PNP/NPN transistors and silicon and you'll know it doesn't physically harm it besides slightly lessning the lifespan
 101 2011-08-08 01:00:17 <Zagitta> what kills/harms chips is heat
 102 2011-08-08 01:00:27 <Zagitta> and to some extend volts
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 105 2011-08-08 01:01:30 <cypherpunk01> Today's word is: OIl
 106 2011-08-08 01:01:44 <cjdelisle> ofc when you overclock they start to make mistakes and to prevent that you need to up the voltage
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 129 2011-08-08 01:30:24 <ashrewdmint> Would it be possible to manage multiple wallets while having them use the same block data?
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 131 2011-08-08 01:36:21 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, lol the mybitcoin explanation is a fucking lie
 132 2011-08-08 01:36:32 <phantomcircuit> "Our programmer was under the assumption that one block was good enough to secure a transaction."
 133 2011-08-08 01:36:44 <phantomcircuit> there is no way they lost 78K BTC for double spends like that
 134 2011-08-08 01:37:16 <upb> even if it was technicaly feasible
 135 2011-08-08 01:37:28 <upb> how could they lose 50% over a long time and then notice omg 50% is missing
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 137 2011-08-08 01:38:17 <phantomcircuit> they're clearly lying
 138 2011-08-08 01:39:09 <ashrewdmint> Hey, would it be possible to manage multiple wallets while having them use the same block data?
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 140 2011-08-08 01:41:05 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: has someone written a tool to check blk0001.dat for double spends yet?
 141 2011-08-08 01:41:55 <upb> ashrewdmint: yes theoretically
 142 2011-08-08 01:41:55 <gmaxwell> Since orphans are kept— if they aren't lying there should be evidence all over.
 143 2011-08-08 01:42:53 <ashrewdmint> upb: what that be possible with the default bitcoin client or would I have to come up with my own thing?
 144 2011-08-08 01:43:20 <ashrewdmint> *would
 145 2011-08-08 01:44:13 <upb> i dont believe theres support for that in the default one
 146 2011-08-08 01:44:36 <delson> I already have a theory for MyBitcoin.
 147 2011-08-08 01:45:02 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i dont think so
 148 2011-08-08 01:45:33 <delson> He planned all along to take all the bitcoins, waited for a good moment. Planned on taking them all. After several days, saw how mad the community was (involvement of FBI, investigations, etc)...so he made up some excuse...but still keeps half.
 149 2011-08-08 01:50:32 <copumpkin> people still have no idea who he is
 150 2011-08-08 01:50:41 <Zagitta> ashrewdmint: you can run multiply clients with different rcp ports and wallet dirs
 151 2011-08-08 01:50:44 <copumpkin> I doubt he'll throw off an investigation by giving people half their money back
 152 2011-08-08 01:50:49 <copumpkin> not really sure that makes much sense unless he's dumb
 153 2011-08-08 01:51:08 <ashrewdmint> Zagitta: would that end up using a lot of disk space because each client would be grabbing the block chain
 154 2011-08-08 01:52:13 <Zagitta> ashrewdmint: you can specify data dir in the commandline args
 155 2011-08-08 01:52:44 <Zagitta> however i don't know how robust the client is with writing/reading locking of the block files
 156 2011-08-08 01:52:59 <ashrewdmint> Hmm, yeah.
 157 2011-08-08 01:53:02 <ashrewdmint> Thanks!
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 159 2011-08-08 01:54:15 <ashrewdmint> I may have to write my own wallet thingy to do this
 160 2011-08-08 01:55:46 <Zagitta> what exactly are you trying to achieve
 161 2011-08-08 01:55:47 <Zagitta> ?
 162 2011-08-08 01:56:24 <upb> btw theres someone from mybitcoin.com ip on #bitcoin-police :p
 163 2011-08-08 01:57:05 <ashrewdmint> Zagitta: the goal is to manage multiple wallet.dat files, and encrypt them when not in use
 164 2011-08-08 01:57:42 <ashrewdmint> Each wallet would have its own encryption key
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 167 2011-08-08 01:59:05 <Zagitta> for what purpose? i'm just asking because there might be a much better way :)
 168 2011-08-08 01:59:42 <ashrewdmint> Well, the default client has a way to assign transactions / amounts to specific accounts. AFAIK, this is how exchanges and things like mybitcoin are working
 169 2011-08-08 01:59:48 <ashrewdmint> They have one wallet and their users are assigned accounts
 170 2011-08-08 02:00:21 <ashrewdmint> I think this is a generally dangerous way to do things, because the owner of the wallet can take everyone's money and run
 171 2011-08-08 02:00:42 <ashrewdmint> If accounts' funds are stored in their own wallets and need to be unlocked with their password, it's more secure.
 172 2011-08-08 02:01:36 <ashrewdmint> It doesn't have to be the service owner stealing the coins, hackers could figure out how to get into the main account and empty everyone's coins out
 173 2011-08-08 02:02:53 <Zagitta> you'll probably never get around the owner being able to steal all the coins...
 174 2011-08-08 02:03:12 <Zagitta> and generally people are much better off just running the client themselves
 175 2011-08-08 02:04:19 <ashrewdmint> Zagitta: I don't see how somehow "locking down" each accounts' funds would not prevent the owner from stealing them. If he doesn't have their passwords (i.e., they are stored as hashes), all he can really do is destroy the funds
 176 2011-08-08 02:04:24 <ashrewdmint> And that's basically useless
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 178 2011-08-08 02:05:13 <Zagitta> he still has plenty of oppertunity to intercept the passwords
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 180 2011-08-08 02:05:26 <ashrewdmint> That is true
 181 2011-08-08 02:05:36 <ashrewdmint> But at the very least it's less vulnerable if the service is compromised
 182 2011-08-08 02:06:26 <Zagitta> which is the problem with centralization and is why people shouldn't be using those kinds of services in the first palce :)
 183 2011-08-08 02:07:09 <ashrewdmint> The current exchanges are all centralized. It's not ideal but it still has its advantages from time to time.
 184 2011-08-08 02:07:38 <ashrewdmint> No one should keep all their coins in a third party service, though.
 185 2011-08-08 02:09:14 <glassresistor> so i just reinstalled bitcoind after the recent ewallet fiascos
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 187 2011-08-08 02:10:37 <glassresistor> i've found that running ./bitcoind works but its hangs, in another screen getinfo works but should bitcoind just start a background process, not just sit in a screen window?
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 189 2011-08-08 02:11:15 <Zagitta> glassresistor: why not just use the gui?
 190 2011-08-08 02:11:28 <glassresistor> i can run ./bitcoin &>... to make it run in the background but i don't believe i had to in the past
 191 2011-08-08 02:11:43 <glassresistor> Zagitta: i don't need or want the gui and i want it running on boot
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 193 2011-08-08 02:11:46 <glassresistor> all the time
 194 2011-08-08 02:12:38 <glassresistor> i just remember that in the past running ./bitcoind would immediate quit having spawned a background process
 195 2011-08-08 02:12:53 <doublec> glassresistor: you need the -daemon switch
 196 2011-08-08 02:13:04 <doublec> glassresistor: or add it to your bitcoin.conf to get the old behaviour
 197 2011-08-08 02:13:17 <glassresistor> doublec: ah is the d for daemon already is not like ./bitcoind is very useful anyways
 198 2011-08-08 02:13:42 <doublec> glassresistor: it was changed a version or two ago to require -daemon even for bitcoind
 199 2011-08-08 02:13:47 <glassresistor> doublec: what line shoul i add?
 200 2011-08-08 02:13:54 <doublec> glassresistor: daemon=1
 201 2011-08-08 02:14:14 <glassresistor> doublec: seems dumb? is there something i can do with bitcoind without daemon mode?
 202 2011-08-08 02:14:43 <doublec> glassresistor: I'm not sure what the rationale was
 203 2011-08-08 02:15:09 <glassresistor> btw where does mybitcoin get off acting like they didn;t know the first confirmation wasn't secure thats been well known since i started 1.5 years ago
 204 2011-08-08 02:15:14 <glassresistor> gotcha
 205 2011-08-08 02:15:32 <RealSolid> glassresistor: because its a lie
 206 2011-08-08 02:15:50 <RealSolid> "tom" is just trying to appease people by giving them something back, get them off his back so he isnt arrested
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 208 2011-08-08 02:17:22 <glassresistor> RealSolid: makes sense, his whole whois and account setup looked like someone trying to stay hidden
 209 2011-08-08 02:17:31 <glassresistor> which wouldn't be needed if he was legit
 210 2011-08-08 02:17:40 <RealSolid> yes, and because there has been pressure on him, he came out of hiding to give back "half" the coins
 211 2011-08-08 02:17:45 <glassresistor> how much do you think ppl are gonna get back
 212 2011-08-08 02:17:52 <RealSolid> he said they have 49%
 213 2011-08-08 02:17:54 <RealSolid> left
 214 2011-08-08 02:18:01 <glassresistor> wow
 215 2011-08-08 02:18:23 <glassresistor> well i was lucky i only kept one weeks worth of mined goods at a time
 216 2011-08-08 02:18:33 <RealSolid> he is claiming he lost 51% or about 75000 BTC in double spends
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 218 2011-08-08 02:18:59 <doublec> RealSolid: where does he say that?
 219 2011-08-08 02:19:21 <phantomcircuit> glassresistor, bitcoind doesn't fork by default which is something that gavin refuses to change
 220 2011-08-08 02:19:23 <glassresistor> since he is releasing the code, anyone wanna build a real one with proper security like backup ability and just check a 1% desposit or withdraw fee
 221 2011-08-08 02:19:24 <RealSolid> well effectively a double spend, by relying upon one confirmation in his system and allowing withdrawals
 222 2011-08-08 02:19:36 <glassresistor> phantomcircuit: fork?
 223 2011-08-08 02:19:47 <phantomcircuit> glassresistor, give the terminal back
 224 2011-08-08 02:20:02 <RealSolid> After careful analysis of the intrusion we have concluded that the software that waited for Bitcoin confirmations was far too lenient. An unknown attacker was able to forge Bitcoin deposits via the Shopping Cart Interface (SCI) and withdraw confirmed/older Bitcoins.
 225 2011-08-08 02:20:04 <glassresistor> ah
 226 2011-08-08 02:20:18 <b4epoche_> doublec:  https://www.mybitcoin.com/accounting.txt
 227 2011-08-08 02:20:26 <doublec> thanks
 228 2011-08-08 02:20:28 <glassresistor> RealSolid: yeah but who the hell could do that in two days
 229 2011-08-08 02:20:43 <RealSolid> glassresistor: his friends
 230 2011-08-08 02:20:46 <glassresistor> and come on after the 1st hour someone would have noticed
 231 2011-08-08 02:20:54 <glassresistor> yeah
 232 2011-08-08 02:21:07 <RealSolid> he is saying now that their combined "30 years of credit card experience" led them to drink heavily
 233 2011-08-08 02:21:09 <glassresistor> does he live in the US, i hear class action
 234 2011-08-08 02:21:11 <RealSolid> after they found out, for a few days
 235 2011-08-08 02:21:19 <RealSolid> hes a native english speaker that much is known
 236 2011-08-08 02:21:59 <glassresistor> RealSolid: so the week we all were like NOOOOOO all my work gone, he was getting drunk
 237 2011-08-08 02:22:02 <glassresistor> dick
 238 2011-08-08 02:22:03 <b4epoche_> and Tom Williams certainly sounds like a US name ;-)
 239 2011-08-08 02:22:11 <RealSolid> its a fake name
 240 2011-08-08 02:22:15 <RealSolid> hes pretty much confirmed that
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 242 2011-08-08 02:22:27 <b4epoche_> RealSolid:  hence ;-)
 243 2011-08-08 02:22:29 <copumpkin> Tom Williams = Satoshi Nakamoto
 244 2011-08-08 02:22:32 <copumpkin> zomg
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 247 2011-08-08 02:23:14 <b4epoche_> it's stupid to even use a name, what's the point?
 248 2011-08-08 02:23:26 <RealSolid> b4epoche: it gives peopel ease of mind
 249 2011-08-08 02:23:30 <RealSolid> trust
 250 2011-08-08 02:23:39 <b4epoche_> Tom Williams?  wtf?
 251 2011-08-08 02:23:44 <copumpkin> William Toms
 252 2011-08-08 02:23:52 <b4epoche_> that only eases the mind of an idiot
 253 2011-08-08 02:24:01 <copumpkin> yeah, that's good enough
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 255 2011-08-08 02:24:10 <RealSolid> b4epoche: considering 80+% of people are stupid
 256 2011-08-08 02:24:13 <b4epoche_> had he always called himself that?
 257 2011-08-08 02:24:15 <RealSolid> he should be targeting them
 258 2011-08-08 02:24:26 <copumpkin> 50% of people are below median intelligence
 259 2011-08-08 02:24:31 <copumpkin> and median intelligence is pretty bad
 260 2011-08-08 02:24:50 <b4epoche_> but is this 'notice' the first time he's used that or has he always?
 261 2011-08-08 02:25:02 <RealSolid> he has for a while
 262 2011-08-08 02:25:16 <RealSolid> he posted this after mtgox hacked
 263 2011-08-08 02:25:22 <RealSolid> We use BSD servers with MAC, immutable flags, jails, PAX, SSP, randomized mmap, secure level, a WAF, a DDoS mitigation and alert system - -- the works. Like I said earlier. We are not amateurs. In fact, combined we have over 30 years of experience in the payment processing (credit card arena) industry.
 264 2011-08-08 02:25:47 <RealSolid> "but we didnt check confirm >1 "
 265 2011-08-08 02:25:51 <RealSolid> lawl
 266 2011-08-08 02:26:20 <b4epoche_> I honestly don't understand why anyone used mybitcoin.
 267 2011-08-08 02:26:32 <RealSolid> the main bitcoin page pretty much told people to
 268 2011-08-08 02:26:37 <RealSolid> if they didnt want a real client
 269 2011-08-08 02:26:51 <RealSolid> "or you can use an ewallet service like mybitcoin" it used to say
 270 2011-08-08 02:26:55 <RealSolid> changed to instawallet now
 271 2011-08-08 02:27:15 <b4epoche_> ah, and ugh...
 272 2011-08-08 02:27:17 <glassresistor> i used it when i startd pooled mining, so i wouldn't have to worry about my wallets uptim
 273 2011-08-08 02:27:31 <glassresistor> luckily i never kept much in there
 274 2011-08-08 02:28:05 <RealSolid> the funny thing is
 275 2011-08-08 02:28:20 <RealSolid> i believe tom williams has people he knows in bitcoin-police keeping an eye out, possibly here too
 276 2011-08-08 02:28:25 <luke-jr> glassresistor: class action against a company with no $?
 277 2011-08-08 02:28:29 <RealSolid> because it wasnt until i mentioned something in particular that he joined
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 279 2011-08-08 02:29:00 <b4epoche_> there /are/ a lot of lurkers in here.
 280 2011-08-08 02:29:03 bitcoinbulletin has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 281 2011-08-08 02:29:52 <RealSolid> he keeps mentioning "we" as in im guessing his "irc team"
 282 2011-08-08 02:30:05 <RealSolid> or irc friends
 283 2011-08-08 02:30:30 <phantomcircuit> RealSolid, also BSD security has been pretty much shit for a while now
 284 2011-08-08 02:30:53 <RealSolid> phantomcircuit: not really, but it isnt why the "attack" happened
 285 2011-08-08 02:31:00 <phantomcircuit> yes im aware
 286 2011-08-08 02:31:11 <phantomcircuit> but FreeBSD has had root exploits which i understood
 287 2011-08-08 02:31:18 <phantomcircuit> that was when i stopped using it
 288 2011-08-08 02:31:20 <RealSolid> hes lying, he wanted to get away with all the coins, he was boasting how safe he has been protecting his identity
 289 2011-08-08 02:31:41 <RealSolid> but he must have made a mistake and is now trying to appease
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 291 2011-08-08 02:32:19 <phantomcircuit> http://www.weusecoins.com/getting-started.php
 292 2011-08-08 02:32:24 <phantomcircuit> that used to say to use mybitcoin
 293 2011-08-08 02:32:29 <glassresistor> RealSolid: theres a bitcoin-police channel ROFL
 294 2011-08-08 02:32:46 <RealSolid> phantomcircuit: yep
 295 2011-08-08 02:32:50 <RealSolid> as did bitcoin.it
 296 2011-08-08 02:32:59 <b4epoche_> honestly, there are plenty of better excuses for losing some percentage of his coins.  the one he used almost seems too bad to be made up.
 297 2011-08-08 02:33:09 <RealSolid> so main bitcoin sites were promoting this scam
 298 2011-08-08 02:33:20 <RealSolid> b4epoche: most people c ant understand it anyhow
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 300 2011-08-08 02:33:43 <glassresistor> however dump it might be to trust your coins to something like mybitcoin, we could make an ewallet that would be satifactorilly secure for me
 301 2011-08-08 02:33:49 <RealSolid> all he needs to say is something which can be done to explain why the funds were lost
 302 2011-08-08 02:33:55 <theymos> b4epoche: His explanation is plausible, though he should still prove it by releasing the hashes of the reversed transactions.
 303 2011-08-08 02:33:59 <RealSolid> how easy is it to change his source files? from 6 to 1
 304 2011-08-08 02:34:37 <b4epoche_> I mean he could have just said he was hacked, no?
 305 2011-08-08 02:34:40 <RealSolid> "oh yeah we got hacked son, ouch, confirmations not high enough man, its ok we have half left"
 306 2011-08-08 02:34:47 <glassresistor> firstly one register under an real persons name and hosted in the US, 2nd one where you could backup your wallet and be able to spend out of it, of course subtracting form your ewallet as well
 307 2011-08-08 02:34:59 <RealSolid> b4epoche: im guessing his goal was to just run and take all the coins, until he made a mistake
 308 2011-08-08 02:35:03 <RealSolid> people were hiring PIs and shit
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 311 2011-08-08 02:35:58 <RealSolid> so he comes back aweek later with a "plausible excuse" and he can even show the "mybitcoin source to prove it"
 312 2011-08-08 02:35:59 <b4epoche_> RealSolid:  I'm not disputing that might have been what happened, but it seems like the easiest excuse for losing 50% of his coins would be that he was hacked
 313 2011-08-08 02:36:10 <glassresistor> RealSolid: yeah have people posted an address?  because i think it would be useful to get the local cops involved, cops don't understand bitcoins but they will help, they've even help recover gear in WOW
 314 2011-08-08 02:36:11 <RealSolid> like i said, its easy to change the source files from 6 confirms (which is standard) to 1
 315 2011-08-08 02:36:26 <RealSolid> b4epoche: what he said happened is a hack
 316 2011-08-08 02:36:33 <b4epoche_> well, I guess I didn't think he was considering releasing the source as proof
 317 2011-08-08 02:36:49 <RealSolid> he's a smart guy, no doubting it
 318 2011-08-08 02:36:49 <theymos> RealSolid: I observed before MyBitcoin went down that it was accepting payments with 1 confirmation.
 319 2011-08-08 02:36:54 <RealSolid> but not smart enough it seems
 320 2011-08-08 02:37:08 <RealSolid> theymos: how long?
 321 2011-08-08 02:37:28 <glassresistor> yeah i noticed transfers in were quicker than most places
 322 2011-08-08 02:37:32 <theymos> RealSolid: It was always doing it. I've posted about it several times, months ago.
 323 2011-08-08 02:37:57 <b4epoche_> but is there any way to trace the lost coins like there would be if the bitomat fella started spending those lost coins?
 324 2011-08-08 02:38:24 <glassresistor> it is true that a year ago in this channel ppl would say offhandedly that one confirm was fine
 325 2011-08-08 02:38:36 <glassresistor> and the 2 and 3 were just for extra super good measure
 326 2011-08-08 02:38:49 <b4epoche_> and I don't necessarily doubt that he didn't understand 'the code'
 327 2011-08-08 02:38:50 <glassresistor> so its a plausible mistake, i just don't buy it
 328 2011-08-08 02:38:55 <RealSolid> haha
 329 2011-08-08 02:39:03 <theymos> RealSolid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34770.msg434193#msg434193
 330 2011-08-08 02:39:04 <RealSolid> did you see what he posted about himself though?
 331 2011-08-08 02:39:23 <RealSolid> "We are not amateurs. In fact, combined we have over 30 years of experience in the payment processing (credit card arena) industry."
 332 2011-08-08 02:39:45 <RealSolid> "No, this site isn't being ran by some amateur that just learned how to program computers. It was created by seasoned programmers that understand security."
 333 2011-08-08 02:39:51 <b4epoche_> that doesn't mean he understands what the code is doing
 334 2011-08-08 02:39:58 <nanotube> theymos: not only that, but there was also a time when they even accepted 0conf tx
 335 2011-08-08 02:40:19 <nanotube> the one time i used their SCI on a third-party site for a small value tx, my tx was credited instantly.
 336 2011-08-08 02:40:30 <theymos> nanotube: I've also had that experience. Pretty recently, too.
 337 2011-08-08 02:40:33 <nanotube> that must have been the source of it.
 338 2011-08-08 02:40:37 <b4epoche_> seasoned programmers that he hired to write code he doesn't understand
 339 2011-08-08 02:40:45 <nanotube> because with 1conf, it is pretty hard to doublespend. you need fairly massive hash power
 340 2011-08-08 02:41:07 <nanotube> with 0conf, if you send a tx that won't confirm due to having to fee while a fee is required, you have all the time in the world to mine a block with your doublespend tx
 341 2011-08-08 02:41:09 <RealSolid> nanotube: that would leave only a few people/pools capable right?
 342 2011-08-08 02:41:22 <theymos> I thought the SCI 0-conf thing was an option that merchants selected, though.
 343 2011-08-08 02:41:22 <nanotube> RealSolid: yes, to do it with any sort of reliability
 344 2011-08-08 02:41:42 <RealSolid> nanotube: which isnt very plausible, is deepbit in on it?
 345 2011-08-08 02:41:46 <RealSolid> btcguild?
 346 2011-08-08 02:41:46 <nanotube> theymos: so... create a merchant... select 0conf option... and 'mine' away? :)
 347 2011-08-08 02:42:03 <nanotube> RealSolid: hence, my saying that it was probably due to the 0conf acceptance, rather than 1conf acceptance.
 348 2011-08-08 02:42:19 <RealSolid> which is even more hilarious
 349 2011-08-08 02:42:29 <nanotube> heh for certain definitions of the word :)
 350 2011-08-08 02:42:37 <theymos> nanotube: I assumed that they re-checked the transaction with (at least) 1 confirmation before crediting/forwarding it. Maybe not, though.
 351 2011-08-08 02:43:03 <nanotube> no idea... their "combined 30 years of experience" must have been split among 100 people :)
 352 2011-08-08 02:43:07 <RealSolid> haha
 353 2011-08-08 02:43:20 <RealSolid> it doesnt make sense it took that long for an attack though
 354 2011-08-08 02:43:26 <RealSolid> if it was 0 confing for over a year
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 356 2011-08-08 02:43:47 <b4epoche_> and anyone accepting credit cards is in the payment processing biz
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 359 2011-08-08 02:44:03 <nanotube> well first, someone has to get wise to it... then they have to drain it slowly enough to not get noticed. and then, this all actually has to be true :)
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 361 2011-08-08 02:44:31 <RealSolid> indeed
 362 2011-08-08 02:44:32 <b4epoche_> yea, the 'few days' thing makes no sense
 363 2011-08-08 02:44:33 <nanotube> b4epoche_: haha true. i accepted paypal a couple times. and my paypal account is about 10 years old. so i guess i have 10 years of cc processing experience.
 364 2011-08-08 02:44:47 <nanotube> \o/ i'm putting that on my resume right now!
 365 2011-08-08 02:44:48 <nanotube> hehe
 366 2011-08-08 02:45:04 <RealSolid> and with the way he is acting doesnt add up
 367 2011-08-08 02:45:08 <RealSolid> if it was an honest mistake
 368 2011-08-08 02:45:14 <nanotube> yea, he's getting all ornery
 369 2011-08-08 02:45:22 <nanotube> what with the 'not legal tender' crap
 370 2011-08-08 02:45:26 <RealSolid> yah
 371 2011-08-08 02:45:41 <b4epoche_> where is he getting ornery?
 372 2011-08-08 02:45:46 <theymos> Exploiting the 1-conf thing wouldn't be that hard. You'd only need a few percentage of the network.
 373 2011-08-08 02:45:52 <nanotube> oh and this one time, i traded my sandwich for a dollar, and i processed that payment by putting it in my pocket. payment processing experience!
 374 2011-08-08 02:46:02 <nanotube> b4epoche_: search chanlog for 'legal tender'
 375 2011-08-08 02:46:25 <b4epoche_> oh, he's been spewing in here?
 376 2011-08-08 02:46:57 <nanotube> b4epoche_: no, in -police. <brucewagner> williams_tom, Bitcoin has dollar VALUE.
 377 2011-08-08 02:47:06 <nanotube> <williams_tom> brucewagner, Not from a legal standpoint it doesn't.
 378 2011-08-08 02:47:16 <nanotube> <williams_tom> brucewagner, Bitcoin is not legal tender. It is without force of law.
 379 2011-08-08 02:47:28 <nanotube> and then went on you can sue the mybitcoinllc, but you won't win anything
 380 2011-08-08 02:47:33 <nanotube> which is probably bs, though ianal
 381 2011-08-08 02:47:41 <nanotube> anything that has market value, and is stolen, is theft
 382 2011-08-08 02:47:49 <copumpkin> where's brucewagner hang out?
 383 2011-08-08 02:47:57 <b4epoche_> yea, there are legal implications.
 384 2011-08-08 02:47:57 <nanotube> i can hardly believe that the law enumerates the types of assets that can be stolen and be considered theft via a whitelist.
 385 2011-08-08 02:48:06 <copumpkin> oh, I see
 386 2011-08-08 02:48:08 <nanotube> copumpkin: #bitcoin-police
 387 2011-08-08 02:48:10 <nanotube> is where all the action is.
 388 2011-08-08 02:49:32 <b4epoche_> people just need to find a pro bono lawyer interested in grabbing some headlines and testing the legal system
 389 2011-08-08 02:50:37 <doublec> how do you know it's the real tom williams?
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 392 2011-08-08 02:52:13 <RealSolid> ip
 393 2011-08-08 02:52:19 <RealSolid> and signed something
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 395 2011-08-08 02:53:25 <RealSolid> luke-jr defending him! elegius is in on it!
 396 2011-08-08 02:53:28 <RealSolid> ;)
 397 2011-08-08 02:53:55 <luke-jr> RealSolid: anything but. I've never been happy with his bugs discarding our payouts
 398 2011-08-08 02:54:32 <RealSolid> luke-jr: could elegius have enough power to fool mybitcoins 1conf flaw?
 399 2011-08-08 02:54:35 <b4epoche_> is there any way to trace the coins stolen?  I'm guessing not since he held the priv keys, right?
 400 2011-08-08 02:54:51 <luke-jr> RealSolid: no
 401 2011-08-08 02:55:11 <copumpkin> b4epoche_: there should be, since if it's a double-spend there should be a trace of it in the block chain, I think?
 402 2011-08-08 02:55:13 <luke-jr> RealSolid: when it comes to hashpower, only Deepbit is close
 403 2011-08-08 02:55:27 <RealSolid> theymos said you only need a few percent
 404 2011-08-08 02:55:56 <b4epoche_> probably a probability thing...
 405 2011-08-08 02:56:07 <RealSolid> luke-jr: you cant combine Tom's previous statements about security, being professionals, etc, with his 1 conf flaw in my mind, you cant have both
 406 2011-08-08 02:56:09 <b4epoche_> few percent gets you a decent chances
 407 2011-08-08 02:56:13 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, you have enough if you constantly where trying to pull it off and it was only a single confirm
 408 2011-08-08 02:56:57 <RealSolid> how many blocks did eligious solve on the date the alleged attacks happened
 409 2011-08-08 02:57:45 <b4epoche_> hmm… I wonder how this ties in with the "keep double spends but mark them" discussion on the mailing list
 410 2011-08-08 02:57:50 <phantomcircuit> honestly i suspect that he was accepting 0 confirms
 411 2011-08-08 02:58:43 <b4epoche_> wouldn't something like this be more readily detected by 'the network' if the double spends kept showing up?
 412 2011-08-08 02:59:33 <b4epoche_> and were logged
 413 2011-08-08 02:59:40 <phantomcircuit> they are
 414 2011-08-08 02:59:41 <phantomcircuit> kind of
 415 2011-08-08 02:59:51 <RealSolid> hes given numbers now, 75000BTC were shifted on the days of the attacks
 416 2011-08-08 02:59:53 <phantomcircuit> in a way that's extremely user unfriendsly
 417 2011-08-08 02:59:59 <phantomcircuit> and developer unfriendly too lol
 418 2011-08-08 03:01:59 <b4epoche_> "days of the attacks"
 419 2011-08-08 03:02:27 <b4epoche_> how many days?  and 75000BTC seems like it would be conspicuous over only 'days'
 420 2011-08-08 03:02:55 <RealSolid> if you could 0/1conf mybitcoin
 421 2011-08-08 03:03:00 <RealSolid> youd be getting it out in hours
 422 2011-08-08 03:03:12 <RealSolid> and if it was days, why didnt they notice?
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 425 2011-08-08 03:05:04 <_Maru_> I just installed the 11.7 drivers... it seems to be using my cpu too... is there a way to make it not let use my cpu? using poclbm
 426 2011-08-08 03:07:05 <RealSolid> on win?
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 431 2011-08-08 03:09:02 <upb> 08 05:19 < copumpkin> 50% of people are below median intelligence <- LOL
 432 2011-08-08 03:09:21 <_Maru_> RealSolid: linux
 433 2011-08-08 03:09:43 <RealSolid> 10.7 has a bug
 434 2011-08-08 03:09:48 <RealSolid> 11.7 rather
 435 2011-08-08 03:09:48 <RealSolid> go back
 436 2011-08-08 03:09:50 <anatolbroder> I'm searching for a name for another bitcoin market statistic software. Do you have something on your mind? Maximum 3 words, must have "bitcoin" inside, may sound funny. I'm not native English, so I need your creativity.
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 441 2011-08-08 03:17:27 <delson> ./usr/include/miniupnpc/miniupnpc.h:53: error: too few arguments to function ‘UPNPDev* upnpDiscover(int, const char*, const   char*, int, int, int*)’
 442 2011-08-08 03:17:56 <delson> Got that error upon compile --> one thread I saw mentioned that you shouldn't use a nightly build of miniupnpc
 443 2011-08-08 03:18:09 <delson> Where can I get the correct stable build I need for bitcoin?
 444 2011-08-08 03:18:17 <delson> because none on upnpc are marked stable.
 445 2011-08-08 03:18:55 <pigeons> i would just add USE_UPNP= on the make command line, do you want upnp?
 446 2011-08-08 03:19:58 <pigeons> http://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/files/
 447 2011-08-08 03:20:04 <delson> I figured I'd go with the defaults for now...which means it is compiled in but not turned on.
 448 2011-08-08 03:20:13 <delson> Yep, that is where I was looking. Which one do I need?
 449 2011-08-08 03:22:30 <pigeons> just go backward a release from the one that didn't work for you ;)
 450 2011-08-08 03:23:04 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
 451 2011-08-08 03:23:04 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.47,"low":6.6701,"avg":7.870753809,"vwap":7.898297221,"vol":85209,"last":7.759,"buy":7.75901,"sell":7.76938}}
 452 2011-08-08 03:23:24 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,tradinghill
 453 2011-08-08 03:23:25 <gribble> Error: "bc,tradinghill" is not a valid command.
 454 2011-08-08 03:23:36 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,tradehill
 455 2011-08-08 03:23:39 <gribble> {"ticker": {"sell": "7.9399666000", "buy": "7.6794323200", "last": "7.6135150002", "vol": "17391.7328219081", "high": "9.8000000000", "last_when": "10 minutes ago", "low": "6.6700000000"}}
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 457 2011-08-08 03:24:55 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: hey, what were you saying about prices or something the other night?
 458 2011-08-08 03:25:14 <Diablo-D3> we're doomed
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 460 2011-08-08 03:30:59 <glassresistor> how many blocks are there currently?
 461 2011-08-08 03:31:12 <glassresistor> trying to figure out how long its gonna take my wallet to be ready
 462 2011-08-08 03:32:02 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,blocks
 463 2011-08-08 03:32:05 <gribble> 140045
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 465 2011-08-08 03:32:22 <glassresistor> thanks
 466 2011-08-08 03:32:29 <glassresistor> i can never remember the gribble cmds
 467 2011-08-08 03:32:34 <glassresistor> ;;bc,mtgox
 468 2011-08-08 03:32:35 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":9.47,"low":6.6701,"avg":7.87288306,"vwap":7.900356952,"vol":84996,"last":7.83,"buy":7.83001,"sell":7.83951}}
 469 2011-08-08 03:32:48 <delson> pigeons, I got net.cpp to compile...I just destroyed some of the upnpc code in the process.
 470 2011-08-08 03:32:53 <glassresistor> damn things really have dropped as of late
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 472 2011-08-08 03:33:19 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: no, i mean, something about gribble output
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 474 2011-08-08 03:34:05 <pigeons> just use make USE_UPNP= -f makefile.unix ;)/q delson
 475 2011-08-08 03:34:10 <pigeons> oops
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 477 2011-08-08 03:34:18 <glassresistor> so i have one wallet on my laptop with a complete blockchain
 478 2011-08-08 03:34:23 <glassresistor> can i cp it over?
 479 2011-08-08 03:34:26 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: oh, buy/sell triggers
 480 2011-08-08 03:34:33 <Diablo-D3> that output buy or sell from all the markets
 481 2011-08-08 03:34:40 <glassresistor> but maintain my addresses accounts on the other machine?
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 483 2011-08-08 03:35:11 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: yea, what does that mean, exactly? give me an example?
 484 2011-08-08 03:35:29 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,buy
 485 2011-08-08 03:35:30 <gribble> Error: "bc,buy" is not a valid command.
 486 2011-08-08 03:35:50 <Diablo-D3> <gribble> mtgox: $4, tradehill: $9, etc etc
 487 2011-08-08 03:35:52 <doublec> delson: it's mentioned in the build_unix doc which one you need
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 490 2011-08-08 03:36:58 <doublec> delson: miniupnpc-1.5.tar.gz
 491 2011-08-08 03:37:18 <delson> Looks like another error came up.
 492 2011-08-08 03:37:21 <delson> ui.cpp:261: error: ‘class wxString’ has no member named ‘ToStdString’
 493 2011-08-08 03:37:41 <delson> wxWidgets , but I am sure that was set up properly. Hmm.
 494 2011-08-08 03:39:44 <delson> Any ideas?
 495 2011-08-08 03:40:49 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: ah, so list bids (or asks) for a bunch of different markets?
 496 2011-08-08 03:41:08 <Diablo-D3> yeah
 497 2011-08-08 03:41:12 <pigeons> what version wx are you using?
 498 2011-08-08 03:41:18 <delson> 2.9.0
 499 2011-08-08 03:41:29 <pigeons> 2.9.1
 500 2011-08-08 03:41:48 <pigeons> 2.8 worked for me too last time i built the gui
 501 2011-08-08 03:42:24 <delson> That is interesting.
 502 2011-08-08 03:42:26 <delson> "Requires wxWidgets 2.9.0 or greater, which uses UTF-8.  Don't try 2.8, it
 503 2011-08-08 03:42:26 <delson> won't work."
 504 2011-08-08 03:42:43 <pigeons> don't read the instructions!
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 506 2011-08-08 03:44:19 <delson> heh.
 507 2011-08-08 03:44:42 <delson> 2.9.2 is available
 508 2011-08-08 03:44:44 <delson> should I try that?
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 510 2011-08-08 03:47:16 <sacarlson> delson: if you want a gui why not go for the qt based bitcoin-qt ?
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 512 2011-08-08 03:48:38 <sacarlson> delson: I had problems in Ubuntu with wx libs not being availible pre built
 513 2011-08-08 03:48:42 <delson> I'm trying to get the default build setup working alright first before I move onto Multicoin & QT related stuff.
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 516 2011-08-08 03:49:11 <sacarlson> delson: then just compile the bitcoind non gui
 517 2011-08-08 03:50:33 <delson> I guess I could.
 518 2011-08-08 03:50:37 <delson> I will if this doesn't work.
 519 2011-08-08 03:50:46 <glassresistor> sine mining is basically over, i should know i have 9 6970s, when do you think we will get pools that shar transactions fees
 520 2011-08-08 03:51:05 <glassresistor> s/sine/since/m
 521 2011-08-08 03:51:36 <sacarlson> delson: try the simplest method first make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP= bitcoind
 522 2011-08-08 03:51:37 <Graet> some already do
 523 2011-08-08 03:51:57 <glassresistor> Graet: which? im on mining.cz, good pool btw
 524 2011-08-08 03:52:12 <Graet> http://ozco.in does
 525 2011-08-08 03:52:48 <Graet> cant remeber the others off the top of my head but i know we arent the only ones :)
 526 2011-08-08 03:52:50 <glassresistor> so i've noticed i get setuo my miner to multiple pools, how exactly is that useful? wouldn't my share with one devalue the other?
 527 2011-08-08 03:53:08 <Diablo-D3> why would it?
 528 2011-08-08 03:53:15 <glassresistor> idk, im asking
 529 2011-08-08 03:53:17 <Diablo-D3> btc is btc
 530 2011-08-08 03:53:25 <BCBot>  Stats: http://bit.ly/bitcoin-irc-stats
 531 2011-08-08 03:54:18 <glassresistor> am i just herging my bets then by sharing with both, i get more coins by sharing with more pools?
 532 2011-08-08 03:54:27 <Graet> glassresistor no it wouldnt and a lot of miners these days allow you to setup backup pools so if your main is down for whatever reason you can continue mining
 533 2011-08-08 03:55:14 <Graet> glassresistor you might reduce your variance but over time shouldnt make a difference
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 535 2011-08-08 03:55:39 <glassresistor> so pocblm is what im using and i get add multiple pools, does it send all my hashes to both pools? or alternate
 536 2011-08-08 03:56:07 <glassresistor> native english speaker i swear, just a bad typer
 537 2011-08-08 03:56:17 <glassresistor> and for a prof programmer thats hillarious
 538 2011-08-08 03:56:24 <Graet> heh
 539 2011-08-08 03:56:57 <glassresistor> heh? i've never understood what people mean when they say that
 540 2011-08-08 03:57:03 <Graet> i cant really help with that, i only mine on 1 pool atm ;)
 541 2011-08-08 03:57:07 <glassresistor> is it a hum, a what?
 542 2011-08-08 03:57:24 <Graet> its like a truncated hehe
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 544 2011-08-08 03:59:14 <glassresistor> ah
 545 2011-08-08 03:59:34 <glassresistor> yeah im just trying to figure out if i should add ozco or switch
 546 2011-08-08 04:01:42 <glassresistor> also should i be using pheonix or poclbm, i've just been letting my machines roll on
 547 2011-08-08 04:01:47 <glassresistor> updating occasionally
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 549 2011-08-08 04:03:43 <luke-jr> glassresistor: switch to #Eligius ofc
 550 2011-08-08 04:04:13 <glassresistor> luke-jr: the channel why?
 551 2011-08-08 04:04:18 <luke-jr> the pool
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 553 2011-08-08 04:05:08 <Graet> lol
 554 2011-08-08 04:05:17 <nanotube> glassresistor: use p2pool of course :)
 555 2011-08-08 04:05:27 <luke-jr> p2pool is fail ;)
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 557 2011-08-08 04:05:44 <nanotube> no it's not :P
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 560 2011-08-08 04:07:43 <forrestv> no, eligius is fail :p
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 563 2011-08-08 04:08:20 <luke-jr> forrestv: no, Eligius win
 564 2011-08-08 04:09:31 <forrestv> uh huh ... endgame is p2pool or something like it dominating
 565 2011-08-08 04:09:33 <forrestv> you know that
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 567 2011-08-08 04:10:37 <luke-jr> forrestv: p2pool can't dominate
 568 2011-08-08 04:10:40 <luke-jr> it's inherently flawed
 569 2011-08-08 04:10:48 <doublec> pool wars!
 570 2011-08-08 04:11:23 <luke-jr> and then there's doublec who can't take a joke :p
 571 2011-08-08 04:11:32 <forrestv> hehe
 572 2011-08-08 04:11:40 <doublec> haha
 573 2011-08-08 04:12:19 <luke-jr> actually, I find it kind of humourous that there actually *was* a huge security hole in the merged mining after all
 574 2011-08-08 04:12:35 <doublec> yes, very prescient of you
 575 2011-08-08 04:12:39 <forrestv> what hole?
 576 2011-08-08 04:12:54 <luke-jr> forrestv: I guess it let you solve 4-5 NMC blocks with each bitcoin block
 577 2011-08-08 04:13:14 <luke-jr> at least, that's how I understood the commit summary :P
 578 2011-08-08 04:13:51 <forrestv> oh, by fitting all the references into the coinbase?
 579 2011-08-08 04:14:01 <luke-jr> I guess
 580 2011-08-08 04:14:05 <forrestv> o.O
 581 2011-08-08 04:15:47 <forrestv> grah, that commit makes merged mining incompatible with p2pool...
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 586 2011-08-08 04:16:10 <luke-jr> forrestv: it does?
 587 2011-08-08 04:16:31 <forrestv> yes. before, you could stick the aux reference anywhere in the coinbase
 588 2011-08-08 04:16:47 <forrestv> p2pool takes up the start of the coinbase with its own information, but leaves all the rest free as a nonce
 589 2011-08-08 04:16:53 <forrestv> which you could stick the aux reference in
 590 2011-08-08 04:18:19 <doublec> so miners are going to be fighting over what can go where in the coinbase?
 591 2011-08-08 04:18:54 <luke-jr> wait, that patch requires it to be at the start? :|
 592 2011-08-08 04:18:59 <luke-jr> that conflicts with my stuff too
 593 2011-08-08 04:19:09 <luke-jr> and makes multiple aux chains impossible
 594 2011-08-08 04:19:15 <luke-jr> that's a retarded fix
 595 2011-08-08 04:19:39 <forrestv> well, the aux reference is indistinguishable from random data, as it is, more or less
 596 2011-08-08 04:19:55 <forrestv> i guess adding some sort of unique header and making sure that only one existed would make more sense?
 597 2011-08-08 04:19:56 <luke-jr> forrestv: irrelevant
 598 2011-08-08 04:19:59 <luke-jr> no
 599 2011-08-08 04:20:04 <forrestv> then what?
 600 2011-08-08 04:20:11 <luke-jr> just only accept an upstream-block once in the aux chain
 601 2011-08-08 04:20:15 <luke-jr> duh
 602 2011-08-08 04:20:18 <delson> sacarlson, finally got it working.\
 603 2011-08-08 04:20:37 <sacarlson> delson: with wx libs or without?
 604 2011-08-08 04:20:38 <luke-jr> if it's been used to prove a past block, it isn't valid for the current one
 605 2011-08-08 04:21:02 <delson> With.
 606 2011-08-08 04:21:16 <sacarlson> delson: well your one past me then
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 609 2011-08-08 04:22:48 <sacarlson> delson: you can use webskin on bitcoind and can do more stuf, I think the gui is a bit limited
 610 2011-08-08 04:23:26 <forrestv> hm, that works too :p current implementation might not track upstream hashes, though
 611 2011-08-08 04:24:07 <luke-jr> forrestv: well it should
 612 2011-08-08 04:25:00 <luke-jr> it should also check that the upstream block is part of the same chain as the rest of the past upstream blocks…
 613 2011-08-08 04:25:08 <delson> sacarlson , it involved installing about 15 additional deps in the process.
 614 2011-08-08 04:25:15 <eavab> Odd question for you guys... Anyone know of a converter to take a single TCP packet and convert it back into ASCII?
 615 2011-08-08 04:25:24 <delson> I hope I don't lose this machine, it took me six hours setting this whole thing up.
 616 2011-08-08 04:25:32 <luke-jr> eavab: Wireshark?
 617 2011-08-08 04:25:53 <eavab> luke-jr: I shall look into that, thanks!
 618 2011-08-08 04:26:12 <luke-jr> eavab: fyi, packets were never ASCII to begin with
 619 2011-08-08 04:26:29 <jrmithdobbs> sometimes they were
 620 2011-08-08 04:26:38 <jrmithdobbs> never is a strong word that you sure love throwing around ;p
 621 2011-08-08 04:26:50 <eavab> right, long day lol... I'm generating this packet and its not being accepted by my server. Trying to see what is going on in my packet generation code
 622 2011-08-08 04:26:57 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: learn English
 623 2011-08-08 04:27:05 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: you first
 624 2011-08-08 04:27:10 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: no u
 625 2011-08-08 04:27:17 <pigeons> tcpdump if you prefer the command line eavab
 626 2011-08-08 04:27:20 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: ur mom was catholic
 627 2011-08-08 04:27:26 <luke-jr> "were never" != "are never"
 628 2011-08-08 04:27:29 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I wish
 629 2011-08-08 04:29:08 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: and large chunks of packets "were" ascii before being encapsulated, so you learn how to be pedantic better
 630 2011-08-08 04:29:16 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
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 633 2011-08-08 04:29:35 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I'm talking packets themselves, not the data encapsulated in them
 634 2011-08-08 04:29:43 <jrmithdobbs> so learn english
 635 2011-08-08 04:29:50 <luke-jr> no u
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 637 2011-08-08 04:31:03 <eavab> luke-jr: So is wireshark essentially a packet sniffer? I'm generating the packet from an Arduino, so I assume I just monitor the packets leaving my router?
 638 2011-08-08 04:31:20 <luke-jr> eavab: sure
 639 2011-08-08 04:31:44 <eavab> lukr-jr: cool, just want to make sure I understand what is going on a high-level.
 640 2011-08-08 04:32:05 <sacarlson> eavab: if you just want to send recieve packets on tcp/udp http://netcat.sourceforge.net/
 641 2011-08-08 04:33:04 <sacarlson> eavab: oh if you just want to monitor then wireshark is the way to go
 642 2011-08-08 04:33:51 <eavab> I have an arduino that will be sending environmental info to a php server... I just can't get a proper handshake with this crappy TCP/IP library i'm using. Trying to debug the packet to see where the issue is.
 643 2011-08-08 04:34:09 <eavab> Never worked with packets at a low level like this before
 644 2011-08-08 04:34:31 <eavab> Planning to use it for IR commands from an Android app for my mining farm
 645 2011-08-08 04:34:48 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: just saying: if you're going to get onto someone for grammar semantics you should probably make sure you qualify your statements well enough to be semantically correct. ;p
 646 2011-08-08 04:35:08 <luke-jr> it is
 647 2011-08-08 04:35:39 <jrmithdobbs> many packets contain data that were ascii before they were packets
 648 2011-08-08 04:35:49 <jrmithdobbs> so no, it isn't
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 652 2011-08-08 04:50:21 <eavab> So... I'm seeing the ARP packet, but I'm not seeing any sort of acknowledgement being returned from the server. What is Apache's response for an ARP packet?
 653 2011-08-08 04:51:36 <glassresistor> is setclocks the best way to overclock 6970s?
 654 2011-08-08 04:52:09 <glassresistor> i've heard of software to do it, but i've assumed they just tweak the same settings
 655 2011-08-08 04:52:24 <eavab> are you on linux or windows?
 656 2011-08-08 04:55:17 <glassresistor> linux
 657 2011-08-08 04:55:35 <eavab> google "ati-config" for the commands on that. Most of the programs pull from that api
 658 2011-08-08 04:55:45 <glassresistor> ubuntu 11.04 to be specific, ubuntu is good for my mining boxes because of fast install
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 660 2011-08-08 04:56:06 <glassresistor> eavab: im already good on the aticonfig commands
 661 2011-08-08 04:56:07 <eavab> keep in mind you are limited with overvolting on linux
 662 2011-08-08 04:56:19 <glassresistor> was just curious if any other software did a better job
 663 2011-08-08 04:57:09 <eavab> not too many options, there are a couple good GUIs though, but you are probably scripting
 664 2011-08-08 04:57:13 <glassresistor> i have 2 6970s pulling 380mh/s but charts say i can get 400 but if i overclock it >900 it drops to 320
 665 2011-08-08 04:57:13 <jrmithdobbs> eavab: um apache doesn't respond to arp. obviously.
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 667 2011-08-08 04:57:36 <jrmithdobbs> the os ip stack does ...
 668 2011-08-08 04:57:42 <glassresistor> yeah im scripting
 669 2011-08-08 04:58:00 <jrmithdobbs> eavab: go buy steven's tcp/ip books or similar
 670 2011-08-08 04:58:09 <glassresistor> is there a way i get get my poclbm miners to run without X?  i've been having trouble with that
 671 2011-08-08 04:58:23 <eavab> jrmithdobbs: i'm thinking this project needs some sleep lol. i'll look into those books too.
 672 2011-08-08 04:58:29 <glassresistor> i can add them to my rc.local but they don't work till i login
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 674 2011-08-08 04:59:14 <jrmithdobbs> glassresistor: #bitcoin-mining we don't really care tbqh
 675 2011-08-08 04:59:17 <eavab> glassresistor: in the linuxcoin thread in project management forum... there is a couple base scripts you might want to look at. I think they may be on the linuxcoin wiki as well. They will be very similar for Ubuntu
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 677 2011-08-08 04:59:45 <glassresistor> eavab: thanks
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 689 2011-08-08 05:22:36 <pigeons> check out the api http://jonathanstark.com/card/
 690 2011-08-08 05:23:07 <pigeons> not mine of course
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 693 2011-08-08 05:25:11 <imsaguy> pretty cool pigeons
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 701 2011-08-08 05:54:06 <Catharsis1> after i sent btc and it shows up as 0/unconfirmed on the receiving client, can i close the sending client ?
 702 2011-08-08 05:54:26 <Catharsis1> (and still get it confirmed)
 703 2011-08-08 05:59:14 <imsaguy> Catharsis1, check http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
 704 2011-08-08 05:59:21 <imsaguy> if its there, then you're good to go.
 705 2011-08-08 05:59:32 <imsaguy> that url shows all the known pending transactions
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 707 2011-08-08 05:59:42 <Catharsis1> isnt blockexplorer the same thing
 708 2011-08-08 05:59:47 <imsaguy> no
 709 2011-08-08 05:59:53 <imsaguy> the one above is pending transactions
 710 2011-08-08 05:59:58 <imsaguy> stuff that isn't in the blockchain yet
 711 2011-08-08 06:00:04 <imsaguy> blockexplorer shows all the stuff in the chain
 712 2011-08-08 06:00:16 <imsaguy> so basically, all 0/unconfirmed will be at the above url
 713 2011-08-08 06:00:17 <Catharsis1> so i just search for the adress on that page
 714 2011-08-08 06:00:23 <imsaguy> yeah
 715 2011-08-08 06:00:26 <Catharsis1> the receiving or sending adress?
 716 2011-08-08 06:00:30 <imsaguy> either.
 717 2011-08-08 06:00:36 <Catharsis1> cool
 718 2011-08-08 06:00:38 <Catharsis1> thanks
 719 2011-08-08 06:00:38 <imsaguy> I'd say sending though.
 720 2011-08-08 06:00:56 <imsaguy> because sending will show you if they sent to more than one
 721 2011-08-08 06:01:51 <Catharsis1> ok
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 746 2011-08-08 06:55:55 <sacarlson> how do you use that diff calculator for 270mh/sec on difficulty of 50.0
 747 2011-08-08 06:58:14 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 270000 50
 748 2011-08-08 06:58:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 270000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50, is 13 minutes and 15 seconds
 749 2011-08-08 06:58:34 <lfm> ;;bc,gend 270000 50
 750 2011-08-08 06:58:34 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 270000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50, is 5431.47325516 BTC per day and 226.311385632 BTC per hour.
 751 2011-08-08 06:59:15 <sacarlson> ;;bc,gend 2700 50
 752 2011-08-08 06:59:16 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2700 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50, is 54.3147325516 BTC per day and 2.26311385632 BTC per hour.
 753 2011-08-08 06:59:45 <lfm> thats 2.7mh/s then?
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 755 2011-08-08 07:02:56 <lfm> ;;bc,gen 270000
 756 2011-08-08 07:02:57 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 270000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1888786.7053531 , is 0.143782070251 BTC per day and 0.00599091959378 BTC per hour.
 757 2011-08-08 07:03:46 <sacarlson> lfm oh it was supposed to be 270mh/sec
 758 2011-08-08 07:04:07 <lfm> ya and the cal uses kh/s
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 761 2011-08-08 07:04:14 <lfm> ya and the calc uses kh/s
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 766 2011-08-08 07:05:20 <theorbtwo> mh/s would be a millihash per second.  Mh/s is megahash/second.
 767 2011-08-08 07:06:03 <lfm> thats if we were talking strict metric prefixes ya.
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 771 2011-08-08 07:08:25 <lfm> but since we never use milihashes for anything reasonable people understand mh/s to be megahash/sec
 772 2011-08-08 07:09:26 <lfm> and since we're all lazy about pressing the shift keys when we dont have to
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 777 2011-08-08 07:20:42 <aaa3> hey guys, what would be the best automated way to verify I received a payment, I got bitcoind running on my box, would anyone recommend me using a simply python script for example ?
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 779 2011-08-08 07:21:52 <lfm> aaa3: I suspect you could do anything you want with python
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 784 2011-08-08 07:23:49 <lfm> take your pick, run "bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress addr" or call the json rpc directly
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 839 2011-08-08 09:45:46 <random_cat> is there a known issue wrt parsing amounts from the command line?  i had "bitcoind sendtoaddress <someaddress> 4.001" interpreted as 4
 840 2011-08-08 09:46:07 <random_cat> "version" : 32400,
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 844 2011-08-08 09:50:49 <[Tycho]> random_cat, what OS ?
 845 2011-08-08 09:51:09 <random_cat> debian squeeze
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 867 2011-08-08 10:31:43 <dikidera> i've been wondering, what the hell are vectors anyway in C++?
 868 2011-08-08 10:32:01 <dikidera> all i can associate is with vector graphics, but i doubt it's that
 869 2011-08-08 10:32:20 <vegard> dynamic arrays
 870 2011-08-08 10:32:42 <vegard> scalar = one value, vector = multiple values
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 874 2011-08-08 10:35:01 <vegard> you could also just look it up on e.g. cppreference.com
 875 2011-08-08 10:35:26 <dikidera> it's different when it's explained by a person in real-time
 876 2011-08-08 10:35:35 <dikidera> e.g better
 877 2011-08-08 10:36:55 <vegard> for you, yeah ;)
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 882 2011-08-08 10:50:35 <asher^> is anyone here familiar with Raulo's formulas?
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 888 2011-08-08 10:56:26 <jtaylor> for what?
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 891 2011-08-08 10:57:28 <asher^> pool hopping
 892 2011-08-08 10:58:26 <jtaylor> what your question?
 893 2011-08-08 10:59:43 <asher^> well im interested in the math. i know he has a formula for your expectation of you stop mining after X (fraction of difficulty) but i was wondering if there was a formula for mining a single share after Y (fraction of difficulty) had already been contributed
 894 2011-08-08 11:01:42 <jargon> ▄██████████████▄▐█▄▄▄▄█▌
 895 2011-08-08 11:01:42 <jargon> ██████▌▄▌▄▐▐▌███▌▀▀██▀▀
 896 2011-08-08 11:01:42 <jargon> ████▄█▌▄▌▄▐▐▌▀███▄▄█▌
 897 2011-08-08 11:01:42 <jargon> ▄▄▄▄▄██████████████▀
 898 2011-08-08 11:01:53 <jargon> learn to speak sensical English
 899 2011-08-08 11:02:08 <jtaylor> ?
 900 2011-08-08 11:02:10 <asher^> o_O
 901 2011-08-08 11:02:17 <jtaylor> I understood it
 902 2011-08-08 11:03:22 <jtaylor> it should just be 1/(difficulty+Y)
 903 2011-08-08 11:04:31 <jargon> Why do Humans make such good tv antennas, yet we don't have telepathy so much.
 904 2011-08-08 11:04:47 <asher^> jtaylor i think it must be more complex than that, but im not sure
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 906 2011-08-08 11:07:53 <asher^> because that would result in an expectation below 1 for any Y>0
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 931 2011-08-08 11:51:17 <SomeoneWeird> MyBitcoin Claims form up. https://www.mybitcoin.com/claim.php
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 934 2011-08-08 11:53:38 <gribble> Error: "btc;status" is not a valid command.
 935 2011-08-08 11:53:52 <epscy> ;;btc;help
 936 2011-08-08 11:53:53 <gribble> Error: "btc;help" is not a valid command.
 937 2011-08-08 11:54:11 <epscy> ;;bc,status
 938 2011-08-08 11:54:12 <gribble> Error: "bc,status" is not a valid command.
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 978 2011-08-08 12:39:03 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas master * r8d0a1f8 / (lib/schema/block.js lib/schema/transaction.js lib/storage.js): Fix: Use our Mongoose fork. - http://bit.ly/oTBV3S https://github.com/bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p/commit/8d0a1f88fe4f5d5feeb60a873a922dec878dbc4d
 979 2011-08-08 12:39:03 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas master * r792ae1b / package.json : Added missing dependency. - http://bit.ly/oo4PVt https://github.com/bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p/commit/792ae1bbd9df6dfb5ccd00e15e95ed3f63b509f9
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 994 2011-08-08 13:22:05 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas master * r638f2d7 / (10 files in 2 dirs): Switched to more robust type detection for Buffer and bigint. - http://bit.ly/r8OFG2 https://github.com/bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p/commit/638f2d78d7da6dbeff93cb8e63736ec337fe9851
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1014 2011-08-08 14:04:53 <dikidera> vegard why did you ctcp me?
1015 2011-08-08 14:05:08 <SomeoneWeird> he ctcp'ed everyone
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1089 2011-08-08 16:18:46 <basti_> hey people
1090 2011-08-08 16:19:24 <basti_> is anybody using "contracts" ("script") at all? i don't know how i could find out save examine my own blockchain with own code
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1093 2011-08-08 16:22:04 <theymos> No one is using odd scripts on the main network yet.
1094 2011-08-08 16:22:39 <basti_> did i read the documentation right in that they are ignored by the standard client anyway?
1095 2011-08-08 16:23:50 <theymos> They are ignored by the standard client, but Eligius (one of the larger pools) accepts them.
1096 2011-08-08 16:24:54 <theymos> You'd need to send them directly to Eligius, as they won't be relayed.
1097 2011-08-08 16:26:00 <basti_> hmm.
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1099 2011-08-08 16:26:31 <basti_> is eligius cut off from the rest of the system? or are its blocks valid for other participiants too?
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1101 2011-08-08 16:27:06 <theymos> They're valid. All clients accept non-standard transactions when they're in blocks.
1102 2011-08-08 16:27:10 <xelister> hi, how to get the latest but stable bitcoin in cli?
1103 2011-08-08 16:27:13 <xelister> some bitcoin branch?
1104 2011-08-08 16:27:15 <xelister> *git
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1106 2011-08-08 16:27:33 <basti_> theymos: this is mighty cool.
1107 2011-08-08 16:28:47 <basti_> theymos: so basically there are blocks solved by eligius, which i could see on my client, but which aren't reflected as anything special in the gui.
1108 2011-08-08 16:29:30 <basti_> and they'll become accepted with the same probability as any other solution.
1109 2011-08-08 16:30:21 <theymos> All blocks are equal, even if they contain non-standard transactions.
1110 2011-08-08 16:30:42 <basti_> i understand.
1111 2011-08-08 16:30:46 <basti_> this is wise.
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1113 2011-08-08 16:32:18 <basti_> to understand that a little better:
1114 2011-08-08 16:32:40 <UukGoblin> theymos, you sound communist ;-]
1115 2011-08-08 16:32:47 <UukGoblin> some blocks are smaller, some are larger ;-]
1116 2011-08-08 16:33:07 <basti_> let's say i'd want eligius to "perform" (accept?) a nonstandard transaction.
1117 2011-08-08 16:33:39 <mtrlt> you just make a transaction and then send it to eligius.
1118 2011-08-08 16:33:43 * xelister is assuming it should be just git checkout v0.3.24
1119 2011-08-08 16:33:53 <basti_> do i have to join the pool or can i do that with an ordinary client?
1120 2011-08-08 16:34:00 <mtrlt> you don't have to join the pool.
1121 2011-08-08 16:34:05 <mtrlt> just send it to eligius' node
1122 2011-08-08 16:34:14 <mtrlt> whatever its ip is :p
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1126 2011-08-08 16:35:08 <basti_> okay, so i'd build such a transaction, then hand it over to eligius. it'd perform the scripts (and check them, thus), and if they run as "ok", it'll be free to include in a new block
1127 2011-08-08 16:35:13 <UukGoblin> eligius requires a fee for them, doesn't it?
1128 2011-08-08 16:35:16 <theymos> UukGoblin: The mining proletariat will rise up and crush the capitalist pools! ;)
1129 2011-08-08 16:35:34 <mtrlt> UukGoblin: for transactions in general, yes
1130 2011-08-08 16:35:34 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: of course
1131 2011-08-08 16:35:38 <UukGoblin> theymos, agreed, but p2pool needs to grow in strength a bit first
1132 2011-08-08 16:35:46 <basti_> sooner or later, the block is solved (probably one of the conditions is donating them the fee?) and will be joined to the main chain?
1133 2011-08-08 16:35:48 <mtrlt> UukGoblin: not specifically for nonstandard ones
1134 2011-08-08 16:36:10 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: the larger p2pool grows, the less viable it becomes for smaller miners (who are a majority)
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1137 2011-08-08 16:36:23 <mtrlt> basti_: no, finding a block doesn't depend on amount of fees.
1138 2011-08-08 16:36:26 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, why??
1139 2011-08-08 16:36:39 <mtrlt> basti_: but if you paid too little, your transaction might not be included in the block :P
1140 2011-08-08 16:36:49 <basti_> mtrlt: :D
1141 2011-08-08 16:37:07 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: because variability can only be reduced so much on such a system
1142 2011-08-08 16:37:19 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, p2pool can always be split into smaller p2p networks
1143 2011-08-08 16:37:33 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: too small a p2pool won't reduce variability enough either
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1152 2011-08-08 16:39:30 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, ok, fair enouh, I get the point... it reduces the variability by a constant factor of 120
1153 2011-08-08 16:39:43 <UukGoblin> so centralized pools might have a future after all
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1157 2011-08-08 16:43:35 <xelister> is the server buggy or what
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1160 2011-08-08 16:46:03 <xelister> ./bitcoind -testnet  -dns -daemon -server -rpcallowip=127.0.0.1 -rpcport=8331
1161 2011-08-08 16:46:11 <xelister> $ Warning: To use the "-server" option, you must set rpcpassword=<password>
1162 2011-08-08 16:46:12 <xelister> in the configuration file: /home/bcsrv2/.bitcoin/testnet/bitcoin.conf
1163 2011-08-08 16:46:14 <xelister> If the file does not exist, create it with owner-readable-only file permissions.
1164 2011-08-08 16:46:35 <forrestv> UukGoblin, it reduces the variability by a minimum of 360x (it looks three blocks worth of shares behind, not just one)
1165 2011-08-08 16:46:44 <forrestv> and that's if everyone is using it
1166 2011-08-08 16:46:56 <xelister> cat /home/bcsrv2/.bitcoin/testnet/bitcoin.conf
1167 2011-08-08 16:46:58 <xelister> rpcuser=bc
1168 2011-08-08 16:46:59 <xelister> rpcpassword=testnet
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1170 2011-08-08 16:47:17 <xelister> can anyone tell me what the server is heaving problem with exactly?
1171 2011-08-08 16:48:27 * xelister pokes nanotube in his balls
1172 2011-08-08 16:48:57 <UukGoblin> xelister, ls -l that file?
1173 2011-08-08 16:49:06 <xelister> copying the config from testnet/ into main ~/.bitcoind/ fixes it
1174 2011-08-08 16:49:17 <xelister> yea the file is 600 obviousl
1175 2011-08-08 16:49:46 <ThomasV> tcatm: bug here : http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/britcoinGBP
1176 2011-08-08 16:51:25 <xelister> so, the testnet is reading rpcuser/passs from mainconf instead testnet/ conf. is this a bug?
1177 2011-08-08 16:52:14 <UukGoblin> forrestv, yeah, definitely good enough for me
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1182 2011-08-08 16:53:26 <forrestv> xelister, it's always done that. i think the bug is the error message displaying the incorrect path
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1185 2011-08-08 16:55:39 <xelister> forrestv: annoying a bit =)
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1194 2011-08-08 17:14:07 <Doktor99__> all -- some questions about getwork() and block submission if you'd be so kind...
1195 2011-08-08 17:15:22 <copumpkin> on IRC people generally prefer questions up front :)
1196 2011-08-08 17:15:30 <copumpkin> go ahead
1197 2011-08-08 17:17:11 <ThomasV> is there a wallet tool that allows me to sign a message with the private key of a bitcoin address ? I find it awkward that MagicalTux and Tom Williams had to move bitcoins around in order to demonstrate ownership ...
1198 2011-08-08 17:18:07 <copumpkin> that would be nice
1199 2011-08-08 17:18:25 <upb> yeap theres a patch for that
1200 2011-08-08 17:18:33 <upb> a few even iirc
1201 2011-08-08 17:18:38 <ThomasV> upb: where ?
1202 2011-08-08 17:18:45 <upb> check the pull requests on github
1203 2011-08-08 17:19:14 <upb> but iirc they chickened out merging it
1204 2011-08-08 17:19:21 <upb> arguing about attacks etc
1205 2011-08-08 17:19:22 <ThomasV> why ?
1206 2011-08-08 17:19:48 <upb> well, you are signing chosen stuff with the private key, there can be implications
1207 2011-08-08 17:19:56 <ThomasV> attacks ? which attacks ? the bitcoin world is soo quiet
1208 2011-08-08 17:20:23 <ThomasV> hm, what implications ?
1209 2011-08-08 17:20:39 <copumpkin> upb: what are the implications?
1210 2011-08-08 17:20:48 <copumpkin> people sign stuff with private keys all the time!
1211 2011-08-08 17:20:54 <copumpkin> it wouldn't really be a signature otherwise :)
1212 2011-08-08 17:21:05 <gavinandresen> ThomasV: if an attacker can get you to sign arbitrary data, they can steal your bitcoins.  Because they can pass you an unsigned transaction to sign....
1213 2011-08-08 17:21:31 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: sure, but why would you sign arbitrary data ?
1214 2011-08-08 17:21:31 <upb> copumpkin: well what if the stuff youre signing is provided by the adversary?
1215 2011-08-08 17:21:33 <copumpkin> gavinandresen: seem like that could be avoided by making the client stick a constant prefix onto the data
1216 2011-08-08 17:21:36 <upb> what if its partiall provided?
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1218 2011-08-08 17:21:47 <copumpkin> gavinandresen: so it says "BITCOIN-SIGNED MESSAGE FOLLOWING:"
1219 2011-08-08 17:21:48 <copumpkin> :P
1220 2011-08-08 17:22:07 <ThomasV> copumpkin: indeed
1221 2011-08-08 17:22:09 <copumpkin> or some constant format like the gpg format
1222 2011-08-08 17:22:12 <gavinandresen> I don't want to have the conversation again; the pull request is fine, it just needs to be re-based to current tip of trunk.
1223 2011-08-08 17:22:36 <gavinandresen> (and then thoroughly tested)
1224 2011-08-08 17:24:25 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: I think it would be really nice. it would allow us to create a wiki-like variant of blockexplorer, where people can annotate what they did
1225 2011-08-08 17:25:26 <gavinandresen> ThomasV: I agree. So help thoroughly test the patch and it'll get pulled....
1226 2011-08-08 17:25:54 <ThomasV> oh, I never got involved in testing bitcoin
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1228 2011-08-08 17:26:19 <ThomasV> I could build the wiki site, though
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1230 2011-08-08 17:27:16 <enquirer> if i put "I love Laura" as a comment, it's preserved in block chain for eternity?
1231 2011-08-08 17:27:25 <ThomasV> enquirer: no
1232 2011-08-08 17:27:29 <enquirer> (
1233 2011-08-08 17:27:33 <ThomasV> not in the blockchain
1234 2011-08-08 17:27:51 <enquirer> but Satoshi wrote something
1235 2011-08-08 17:28:06 <ThomasV> yes but you are ,ot satoshi
1236 2011-08-08 17:28:10 <MrSam> :p
1237 2011-08-08 17:28:15 <ThomasV> *not*
1238 2011-08-08 17:28:17 <enquirer> oh sad (
1239 2011-08-08 17:28:17 <MrSam> how can you be sure
1240 2011-08-08 17:28:27 <MrSam> he might be in here all along
1241 2011-08-08 17:28:29 <ThomasV> :-D
1242 2011-08-08 17:28:43 <jrmithdobbs> copumpkin: um, the implications are the well documented issues with signing data directly provided by another party
1243 2011-08-08 17:28:46 <MrSam> but i'm pretty sure he sold all hist btc at 30 and took off :P
1244 2011-08-08 17:29:00 <copumpkin> jrmithdobbs: how does what I suggested not solve that?
1245 2011-08-08 17:29:25 <jrmithdobbs> copumpkin: I didn't read what you suggested but the fact that you don't understand the problem is troubling.
1246 2011-08-08 17:29:31 <copumpkin> o.O
1247 2011-08-08 17:29:49 <enquirer> is it true he leftbecause he couldn't cope with stupidity of other coders?
1248 2011-08-08 17:30:05 <jrmithdobbs> copumpkin: there are several crypto systems that can be completely broken if a 3rd party can manipulate the data to be signed
1249 2011-08-08 17:30:15 <copumpkin> nobody said anything about signing another party's data directly. If I go into my bitcoin client and ask it to sign something with one or more of my keys, I don't see why that's a big issue
1250 2011-08-08 17:30:20 <jrmithdobbs> (most in some way or anathor, in fact, it's why you usually sign a hash of the data, not the data)
1251 2011-08-08 17:30:22 <copumpkin> you need to be careful
1252 2011-08-08 17:30:26 * copumpkin sighs
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1254 2011-08-08 17:30:52 <copumpkin> jrmithdobbs: you gonna pat me on the head too? :)
1255 2011-08-08 17:31:40 <upb> i will take him to sit on my lap, you can pat his head :)
1256 2011-08-08 17:32:29 <jrmithdobbs> and you usually use a nonce+salt or similar even in that scenario because just hashing gives the "attacker" too much control over the outcome of the hashing algorithm [5~[5~[6~[6~[6~
1257 2011-08-08 17:33:33 <jrmithdobbs> copumpkin: and you don't let the party providing data pick the nonce/salt, obviously
1258 2011-08-08 17:34:35 <copumpkin> yeah, my proposed solution was to automatically prepend some human-readable message to any data being signed :P something like "This data is being signed" so that there can be no overlap with legitimate client activity
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1260 2011-08-08 17:34:44 <copumpkin> it's kind of inelegant though :)
1261 2011-08-08 17:35:42 <copumpkin> but even that is just to stop people from shooting themselves in the foot with it
1262 2011-08-08 17:35:48 <jrmithdobbs> not enough
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1264 2011-08-08 17:35:58 <jrmithdobbs> static string + nonce would be sufficient
1265 2011-08-08 17:36:27 <copumpkin> what would the nonce be buying you?
1266 2011-08-08 17:36:28 <ThomasV> and does the pull request have that ?
1267 2011-08-08 17:36:32 <jrmithdobbs> but just adding a static string the attacker still has the ability to craft specially formed data
1268 2011-08-08 17:37:01 <jrmithdobbs> copumpkin: go read the thread, this is all gone through there. specifically look for gmaxwell's posts
1269 2011-08-08 17:37:04 <jrmithdobbs> and TD's
1270 2011-08-08 17:37:07 <jrmithdobbs> (iirc)
1271 2011-08-08 17:37:20 <copumpkin> where is this discussion?
1272 2011-08-08 17:37:36 <jrmithdobbs> somewhere on that cesspool of a forum
1273 2011-08-08 17:37:41 <copumpkin> ugh :)
1274 2011-08-08 17:37:42 <jrmithdobbs> in one of luke's threads about it
1275 2011-08-08 17:37:48 <jrmithdobbs> in the dev section
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1277 2011-08-08 17:39:16 <copumpkin> aha, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6428.0
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1282 2011-08-08 17:44:47 <copumpkin> so it's not really insecure with a constant prefix, as much as being uncomfortable that someone could still get you to sign something that he knows fully
1283 2011-08-08 17:45:06 <copumpkin> and the possibility of replays to human recipients, which is a bit of a stretch but I see
1284 2011-08-08 17:45:08 <jrmithdobbs> depneds on the level of security you demand
1285 2011-08-08 17:45:25 <jrmithdobbs> it is provably less secure than static + nonce, for instance
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1287 2011-08-08 17:46:07 <copumpkin> I mean, individual signed messages can stick those things in
1288 2011-08-08 17:46:17 <copumpkin> this is really just covering up for the dumbasses :)
1289 2011-08-08 17:46:20 <copumpkin> but that's a noble goal
1290 2011-08-08 17:46:51 <gmaxwell> copumpkin: security is 90% "covering up for the dumbasses"
1291 2011-08-08 17:47:16 <copumpkin> not sure about that, but it should be a concern, I agree
1292 2011-08-08 17:47:20 <gmaxwell> A system where you have to remember to do a special dance (add entropy to the end!) or you're in trouble isn't a tool, it's a trap.
1293 2011-08-08 17:48:45 <ThomasV> gmaxwell: gpg asked me to dance with my mouse
1294 2011-08-08 17:49:16 <gmaxwell> haha
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1296 2011-08-08 17:49:46 <gmaxwell> At least it asked rather than silently giving you an insecure key because you were "too dumb" to add entropy on your own!
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1298 2011-08-08 17:51:08 <ThomasV> bitcoin gave me keys silently
1299 2011-08-08 17:51:22 <ThomasV> do I need to worry about them ?
1300 2011-08-08 17:52:30 <gmaxwell> Fortunately the ECC keygen process is very random data efficient.
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1302 2011-08-08 18:01:25 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: assuming good entropy on the generating host (which is a pretty bad assumption)
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1312 2011-08-08 18:21:28 <copumpkin> aha
1313 2011-08-08 18:21:51 <copumpkin> my backup software was constantly backing up my local bitcoin data
1314 2011-08-08 18:22:12 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r4e5d88c / src/main.cpp : Merge pull request #443 from TheBlueMatt/dupin ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/4e5d88ce26b7829856e206107fd82e99d58b4211
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1316 2011-08-08 18:22:56 <luke-jr> WHOA
1317 2011-08-08 18:23:00 <luke-jr> http://pident.artefact2.com/tx/2ac591ce643f96fa431712595363a418809cb866fba39ec68c2170c648eb472c
1318 2011-08-08 18:24:03 <copumpkin> why whoa? you think they're the stolen ones?
1319 2011-08-08 18:25:27 <luke-jr> copumpkin: 16 BTC fee
1320 2011-08-08 18:25:34 <copumpkin> ah :)
1321 2011-08-08 18:25:43 <luke-jr> too bad Deepbit got it
1322 2011-08-08 18:25:52 <copumpkin> so it all went into Tycho's pocket
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1340 2011-08-08 18:38:10 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r2c3691d / (3 files): Cleanup test suite output to be more useful. (+8 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/rpQM39 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/2c3691d53d3f527638d4d9923c8a04488f459de0
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1357 2011-08-08 19:01:54 <nanotube> wonder why that tx had such a large fee... the tx size wasn't big
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1359 2011-08-08 19:02:56 <copumpkin> someone really wanted that money to move quickly :)
1360 2011-08-08 19:03:24 <copumpkin> or is using some custom-built client that makes the fee some percentage of money rather than transaction size?
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1362 2011-08-08 19:03:44 <copumpkin> how many reasonably complete bitcoin implementations exist out there, besides the official one?
1363 2011-08-08 19:03:52 <copumpkin> (publicly)
1364 2011-08-08 19:17:51 <msquared86> anyone know of an api for the market tracking ?
1365 2011-08-08 19:18:50 <gmaxwell> quick, split the chain.
1366 2011-08-08 19:19:04 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
1367 2011-08-08 19:19:06 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.89,"low":6.81,"avg":7.80958988,"vwap":7.802992578,"vol":65630,"last":7.70099,"buy":7.70102,"sell":7.758}}
1368 2011-08-08 19:19:09 <edcba> ouch
1369 2011-08-08 19:19:45 <Eliel> looks like people are still finding out about the exchange rate.
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1380 2011-08-08 19:35:12 <lfm> miners are dropping out too
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1382 2011-08-08 19:38:00 <mekel> ok  im runnin linux and i try to load bitcoin.exe, but im gettin the error EXCEPTION: NSTBios_base7failure CAutoFile::read : end of file bitcoin in Appinit()
1383 2011-08-08 19:38:13 <mekel> i updated my bitcoin version but im getting the same error
1384 2011-08-08 19:38:17 <lfm> bitcoin.exe is only for mswin
1385 2011-08-08 19:38:33 <lfm> you need the linux version
1386 2011-08-08 19:38:45 <mekel> i hav it
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1388 2011-08-08 19:38:53 <mekel> ok the bitcoin executeable then*
1389 2011-08-08 19:38:55 <lfm> its not bitcoin.exe then
1390 2011-08-08 19:39:09 <mekel> ok
1391 2011-08-08 19:39:10 <lfm> make sure
1392 2011-08-08 19:39:25 <mekel> it cam in a .tar
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1395 2011-08-08 19:40:47 <mekel> i am sure
1396 2011-08-08 19:41:00 <lfm> it looks like you binary bitcoin is correupt really but thats very unusual
1397 2011-08-08 19:41:30 <dikidera> if two bitcoin addresses exist, what will happen when someone sends some btc to that address that has a duplicate?
1398 2011-08-08 19:41:54 <mekel> how do i repair it lfm
1399 2011-08-08 19:42:06 <lfm> NSTBios_base7failure does not come up on google
1400 2011-08-08 19:42:32 <dikidera> it does come up
1401 2011-08-08 19:42:42 <lfm> download the tar file again. untar it again make sure you dont run out of disk space or anything
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1403 2011-08-08 19:42:52 <dikidera> right exactly here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33893.0
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1405 2011-08-08 19:43:23 <mekel> NST8ios_base7failure
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1408 2011-08-08 19:43:32 <mekel> sorry
1409 2011-08-08 19:43:41 <dikidera> read the thread
1410 2011-08-08 19:43:44 <dikidera> and hope they find a cure
1411 2011-08-08 19:43:48 <dikidera> if they havent
1412 2011-08-08 19:43:58 <lfm> oh ok a typo made googls miss it
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1414 2011-08-08 19:46:41 <lfm> ya sounds like somehow one of the databases got corrupted
1415 2011-08-08 19:46:53 <lfm> the binary should be ok
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1420 2011-08-08 19:48:13 <mekel> hm
1421 2011-08-08 19:48:39 <mekel> where do i get the db files from
1422 2011-08-08 19:50:06 <lfm> you can get the main block chain from the ling in that thread. the rest get downloaded when you run
1423 2011-08-08 19:50:21 <lfm> ling -> link
1424 2011-08-08 19:50:59 <mekel> hm
1425 2011-08-08 19:51:01 <mekel> ill try that
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1427 2011-08-08 19:53:08 <mekel> ok
1428 2011-08-08 19:53:14 <mekel>  i just deleted everything but wallet.dat
1429 2011-08-08 19:53:22 <mekel> in the .bitcoin folder
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1431 2011-08-08 19:53:25 <mekel> its running now thank you
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1439 2011-08-08 19:58:20 <Eliel> dikidera: how do you mean duplicate bitcoin address?
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1448 2011-08-08 20:08:09 <erus`> rioting in london again :|
1449 2011-08-08 20:08:45 <mekel> hahaha
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1452 2011-08-08 20:12:24 <Ramen> djia down 634
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1458 2011-08-08 20:16:16 * Eliel wonders if the protesters are the ones rioting or if the ones rioting are people who want to silence those protestors...
1459 2011-08-08 20:16:45 <dikidera> they are worshipers of diki
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1461 2011-08-08 20:18:05 <jrmithdobbs> so they're morons
1462 2011-08-08 20:18:06 <jrmithdobbs> ?
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1466 2011-08-08 20:18:10 <Ramen> or the rioter's aren't the protesters and they just want to rob the local businesses and get free stuff?
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1475 2011-08-08 20:30:22 <vegard> jrmithdobbs: LOL
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1490 2011-08-08 21:15:26 <gjs278> dikiderp is a better nickname
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1494 2011-08-08 21:22:31 <luke-jr> strings ~/.bitcoin/blk0001.dat -n21 | perl -nle 's/^.*(?=B)//&&print' | uniq | head -n13
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1508 2011-08-08 21:40:56 <basti_> hmm, can someone send me bitcoins on testnet?
1509 2011-08-08 21:42:12 <basti_> oh there's a service
1510 2011-08-08 21:42:13 <basti_> nvm
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1550 2011-08-08 22:50:02 <clr_> Is there anyone here who can explain how to extract a block hash from a getwork request?
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1553 2011-08-08 22:54:59 <tcatm> clr_: previous block hash?
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1568 2011-08-08 23:07:41 <makomk> clr_: see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_hashing_algorithm
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1572 2011-08-08 23:18:20 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1573 2011-08-08 23:18:24 <gribble> Current Blocks: 140163 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 956 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 22 hours, 30 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1823746.55287894
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1579 2011-08-08 23:25:06 <clr_> tcatm, makomk: I read both those pages. And I was pulling characters 8 through 72 out of the data element. But I was getting two results.
1580 2011-08-08 23:25:14 <clr_> And it doesn't match up with pident.
1581 2011-08-08 23:25:31 <lfm> what's pident?
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1583 2011-08-08 23:25:56 <clr_> pident.artefact: http://pident.artefact2.com/
1584 2011-08-08 23:27:08 <lfm> ok, the prev hash in the block header is the hash of the previous block header. you got that?
1585 2011-08-08 23:27:54 <clr_> Yes but are characters 8 through 72 of data the block header?
1586 2011-08-08 23:28:04 <clr_> I'm getting different headers from different servers.
1587 2011-08-08 23:28:16 <clr_> Most agree but a couple don't.
1588 2011-08-08 23:28:47 <lfm> all block headers are 80 bytes long
1589 2011-08-08 23:29:18 <lfm> they start with a 4 byte version 00000001
1590 2011-08-08 23:29:48 <clr_> They are 80 bytes long?
1591 2011-08-08 23:29:55 <clr_> http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12862.0 indicated it was 32 bytes...
1592 2011-08-08 23:30:11 <lfm> the whole block header is 80 bytes, the hashes are 32 bytes each
1593 2011-08-08 23:30:54 <clr_> So in the example getwork data :
1594 2011-08-08 23:30:54 <clr_> "data" : "00000001ff6f0a5534fea35e82cd5f3b225dd9f31b10461dc2270637000001300000000013918d41eb2a3a4c900ce65789d7d960437409b0c7da876e412d2236288c8c724e4070301a08e1e500000000000000800000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000080020000",
1595 2011-08-08 23:31:15 <clr_> the 64 characters after 00000001 are the block header?
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1597 2011-08-08 23:31:19 <lfm> ya of that the first 80 bytes are a block header
1598 2011-08-08 23:31:20 <clr_> Previous block header.
1599 2011-08-08 23:31:37 <lfm> the block header includes the 00000001
1600 2011-08-08 23:31:59 <lfm> the prev hash is 32 bytes and is part of the header
1601 2011-08-08 23:32:26 <clr_> So its not in "data" or it is in "data"
1602 2011-08-08 23:32:29 <clr_> ?
1603 2011-08-08 23:32:43 <clr_> I am trying to find the previous hash.
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1605 2011-08-08 23:33:05 <lfm> ya, the data is a header with some extra junk on the end. the prev hash is part of the header
1606 2011-08-08 23:33:24 <lfm> i think it is the part right after the ver 00000001
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1608 2011-08-08 23:33:34 <clr_> And the prev hash is the 64 characters(32 bytes) after the version which is 8 characters long?
1609 2011-08-08 23:33:58 <lfm> I think thats right yes
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1611 2011-08-08 23:35:10 <clr_> Okay. So some servers are just returning incorrect or malicious LP data.
1612 2011-08-08 23:35:32 <lfm> huh? why you say that?
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1614 2011-08-08 23:35:46 <clr_> Well I get that a few servers are returning different hashes.
1615 2011-08-08 23:35:53 <clr_> Like 2-3 will return the wrong hash everytime.
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1619 2011-08-08 23:36:32 <lfm> the hashes my be byteswapped
1620 2011-08-08 23:37:10 <clr_> So just reverse the string? Or reverse the bytes?
1621 2011-08-08 23:37:38 <lfm> the bytes in each 32 bit word I think
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1623 2011-08-08 23:46:42 <ImRoot702> is gavin's bitcointools github project still supported or is there an alternative?
1624 2011-08-08 23:47:13 <lfm> I thot it was always kinda unsupported
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1634 2011-08-08 23:59:03 <ImRoot702> lfm, is there anything else like it that I might try? I'm trying to run the dbdump.py but I'm getting an exception
1635 2011-08-08 23:59:39 <lfm> sorry, no, I dont know of anything like it