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2 2011-08-10 00:00:57 <Diablo-D3> ;;calc [bc,diff] * (2^32 + 65536) / 600 / 1000 / 1000 / 1000 / 1000
3 2011-08-10 00:01:03 <gribble> ......
4 2011-08-10 00:01:18 <Diablo-D3> ;;calc [bc,diff] / 139969.255
5 2011-08-10 00:01:19 <gribble> 1,888,786.7053531 / 139,969.255 = 13.4942971
6 2011-08-10 00:01:25 <Diablo-D3> oh gee, thanks gribble
7 2011-08-10 00:02:49 <Diablo-D3> weird
8 2011-08-10 00:02:58 <Diablo-D3> 1888786.7053531 * 0.00000715838805 = = 13.5206682
9 2011-08-10 00:03:30 <Eliel> it's funny looking at mtgox now. It's like a battle of pushing the rate up/down.
10 2011-08-10 00:03:37 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
11 2011-08-10 00:03:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":12.1,"low":7.671,"avg":9.601409446,"vwap":9.710629936,"vol":114295,"last":9.793,"buy":9.611,"sell":9.793}}
12 2011-08-10 00:03:55 <Diablo-D3> hh
13 2011-08-10 00:04:08 <Eliel> it went to 9.3 nad now has been sharply climbing
14 2011-08-10 00:04:28 <Eliel> there's even already a little buffer at 9.6ish
15 2011-08-10 00:04:51 <luke-jr> wtf is mrcd
16 2011-08-10 00:04:57 <Eliel> and now it's over 10 again
17 2011-08-10 00:05:03 <tcatm> luke-jr: new exchange
18 2011-08-10 00:05:10 <luke-jr> named?
19 2011-08-10 00:05:27 <tcatm> http://mercadobitcoin.com.br/
20 2011-08-10 00:06:43 <luke-jr> tcatm: is it a deposit-based exchange, do you know?
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25 2011-08-10 00:11:09 <tcatm> luke-jr: I don't know anything about it yet.
26 2011-08-10 00:11:28 <luke-jr> tcatm: then how do you know they aren't using TBC?
27 2011-08-10 00:11:39 * luke-jr ducks
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34 2011-08-10 00:23:50 <luke-jr> tcatm: https://www.cavirtex.com/
35 2011-08-10 00:24:10 <luke-jr> or is that vanilla 'virtex'?
36 2011-08-10 00:25:03 <tcatm> luke-jr: that's virtex
37 2011-08-10 00:25:34 <tcatm> I should work on adding such meta information to the database
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40 2011-08-10 00:35:46 <nhodges> request for comment: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36058.0
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45 2011-08-10 00:37:37 <nhodges> silly tor ;_;
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74 2011-08-10 01:02:15 <nhodges> :] hey guys we need more testers https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8091.msg444668#msg444668
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83 2011-08-10 01:31:22 <owowo> ;;bc,timetonext
84 2011-08-10 01:31:23 <gribble> 5 days, 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 44 seconds
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87 2011-08-10 01:31:45 <owowo> ;;bc,diffchange
88 2011-08-10 01:31:46 <gribble> -2.81609723116 % estimated difficulty change this period
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112 2011-08-10 02:32:30 <tcatm> experimental currency filter: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/
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121 2011-08-10 02:42:39 <luke-jr> tcatm: Error: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/: [object DOMException]
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123 2011-08-10 02:42:58 <luke-jr> tcatm: also, 1492 min width is a bit too big IMO
124 2011-08-10 02:43:34 <luke-jr> where's the filter?
125 2011-08-10 02:44:35 <tcatm> luke-jr: should be on the left of the screen
126 2011-08-10 02:44:42 <tcatm> what DOMException?
127 2011-08-10 02:44:53 <luke-jr> that's all it says
128 2011-08-10 02:44:58 <luke-jr> left just says "Currencies"
129 2011-08-10 02:45:59 <tcatm> firefox?
130 2011-08-10 02:46:09 <luke-jr> Konqueror
131 2011-08-10 02:46:34 <tcatm> reload
132 2011-08-10 02:47:28 <luke-jr> req.open(method || "GET", this._prepareUrl() + (url ? "/" + url : ""));
133 2011-08-10 02:47:30 <luke-jr> that's the line
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135 2011-08-10 02:48:35 <luke-jr> called from markets: sock.connect();
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137 2011-08-10 02:49:02 <tcatm> luke-jr: which javascript engine (and version) does your browser use?
138 2011-08-10 02:49:18 <luke-jr> tcatm: KJS 4.6.4
139 2011-08-10 02:50:18 <tcatm> any chance you can find out why it doesn't like that line?
140 2011-08-10 02:53:47 <luke-jr> it seems it doesn't like the port being different
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142 2011-08-10 02:54:27 <luke-jr> or perhaps being specified at al
143 2011-08-10 02:54:54 <tcatm> mhm. it should fall back to jsonp in that case.
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145 2011-08-10 02:58:11 <luke-jr> it could be reporting caught exceptions, dunno
146 2011-08-10 02:59:01 <tcatm> anyway, it should show a list of currencies on the left now
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148 2011-08-10 03:07:33 <luke-jr> tcatm: still nope
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187 2011-08-10 04:06:06 * forrestv not compensating network nodes -> bad idea :p
188 2011-08-10 04:06:13 <forrestv> node on my vps is using 2Mbps
189 2011-08-10 04:07:26 <luke-jr> tcatm: what are cbx and btcn?
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197 2011-08-10 04:20:24 <nanotube> luke-jr: cbx is campbx
198 2011-08-10 04:20:31 <nanotube> btcn is some chinese exchange
199 2011-08-10 04:20:45 <nanotube> if you go to the bcharts website, you can see the homepages for each of the exchanges
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201 2011-08-10 04:23:19 <luke-jr> ah
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204 2011-08-10 04:32:48 <aaa3> hey guys
205 2011-08-10 04:32:49 <aaa3> im on centos 5.6
206 2011-08-10 04:32:56 <aaa3> and im getting this trying to run ./bitcoind
207 2011-08-10 04:33:24 <aaa3> ./bitcoind: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by ./bitcoind)
208 2011-08-10 04:33:24 <aaa3> ./bitcoind: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by ./bitcoind)
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211 2011-08-10 04:37:43 <aaa3> what do i do?
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213 2011-08-10 04:45:13 <josephcp> aaa3: are you trying to run the 64 bit version on a 32 bit system or vice versa?
214 2011-08-10 04:45:57 <josephcp> pretty sure all recent linux distros shouldn't have a problem with glibc not being installed...
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217 2011-08-10 04:49:18 <aaa3> 64 bit ver
218 2011-08-10 04:49:38 <aaa3> no im running 64 bitcoind on 64bit system
219 2011-08-10 04:52:52 <josephcp> can you do "sudo yum update glibc\*"
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221 2011-08-10 04:55:30 <aaa3> ok lets see..
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224 2011-08-10 05:00:06 <aaa3> glibc 2.5 is installed
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226 2011-08-10 05:00:20 <aaa3> i tried installing 2.7 on my CentOs 5.6 but it fuxed the server
227 2011-08-10 05:00:25 <aaa3> so now what :!
228 2011-08-10 05:02:23 <Plasma-> does the bitcoin client support bitcoin:// urls etc? I saw mention of it, but I dont see it working
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232 2011-08-10 05:06:41 <nanotube> Plasma-: no, it does not.
233 2011-08-10 05:06:52 <nanotube> not the official one, at any rate.
234 2011-08-10 05:07:05 <nanotube> iirc, spesmilo and bitcoin-js-remote do
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240 2011-08-10 05:15:30 <Plasma-> great thanks
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338 2011-08-10 09:19:39 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
339 2011-08-10 09:19:40 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 15 hours, 22 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> forrestv: see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/453
340 2011-08-10 09:19:50 <BlueMatt> hey, hes back
341 2011-08-10 09:20:05 <forrestv> hi
342 2011-08-10 09:20:09 <forrestv> :p
343 2011-08-10 09:20:13 <BlueMatt> hehe
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346 2011-08-10 09:25:45 <Eliel> blockchain will soon be a gigabyte in size :P
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348 2011-08-10 09:26:11 <Eliel> ... well, the blockchain is, by itself, close to that yet but with all the extra data, that's what bitcoin will soon need.
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408 2011-08-10 10:19:38 <sacarlson> what rise in security risk would happen if the difficulty change rate was measured in one hour instead of 2 weeks?
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410 2011-08-10 10:21:01 <wumpus> it becomes easier to manipulate the difficulty
411 2011-08-10 10:21:27 <sacarlson> wumpus: yes but the difficulty also goes back quicker then
412 2011-08-10 10:21:55 <wumpus> yes, the two weeks is like a lowpass ilter
413 2011-08-10 10:22:00 <sacarlson> wumpus: I'm playing with the settings in a merge mine testnet
414 2011-08-10 10:22:10 <edcba> security is not the problem
415 2011-08-10 10:22:23 <edcba> it's just you won't get confirmations as frequently
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417 2011-08-10 10:22:55 <sacarlson> edcba: or more frequently as in namecoin is waiting weeks after the pulse of power they had
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419 2011-08-10 10:24:25 <sacarlson> ;;bc help
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422 2011-08-10 10:31:27 <sacarlson> ;;bc,gend 270 .015
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425 2011-08-10 10:31:47 <sacarlson> ;;bc,gend 2700 50
426 2011-08-10 10:31:56 <sacarlson> it's broken
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463 2011-08-10 11:12:34 <Giel> hi all
464 2011-08-10 11:12:52 <Giel> is there any reason why Boost.Asio is used for networking in src/rpc.cpp but not src/net.cpp ?
465 2011-08-10 11:13:27 <Giel> (i.e. BSD sockets with a Winsock flavour are used instead in src/net.cpp)
466 2011-08-10 11:14:11 <Giel> as I was thinking about adding IPv6 support
467 2011-08-10 11:14:13 <Giel> which would be significantly easier using Boost.Asio than the BSD socket API
468 2011-08-10 11:14:15 <tcatm> Giel: yes. RPC is a lot newer than src/net.cpp. patches welcome!
469 2011-08-10 11:14:37 <tcatm> I think sipa is working on IPv6.
470 2011-08-10 11:15:44 <Giel> how about the CAddress class btw? I think that aside from the protocol serialisation it could be replaced boost::asio::ip::address
471 2011-08-10 11:16:37 <Giel> tcatm: I've already got IPv6 working in src/rpc.cpp
472 2011-08-10 11:16:42 <sacarlson> Giel: would it still be backward compatible?
473 2011-08-10 11:17:00 <tcatm> Giel: sipa got a IPv6 node running :)
474 2011-08-10 11:17:11 <Giel> sacarlson: regarding CAddress you mean? protcol-wise it would be, yes
475 2011-08-10 11:17:33 <tcatm> Giel: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/427
476 2011-08-10 11:18:21 <tcatm> doesn't look like it makes rpc IPv6 capable, though. so if you have a patch, make a pull request
477 2011-08-10 11:19:01 <Giel> righty, so I see, so lets start cleaning up my code...
478 2011-08-10 11:20:09 <tcatm> Giel: also have a look at pull requests like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/214
479 2011-08-10 11:20:34 <sacarlson> Giel: "your code" is it published?
480 2011-08-10 11:20:36 <Giel> tcatm: that's the approach I took actualy
481 2011-08-10 11:21:49 <Giel> sacarlson: cleaning up my code right now, when I'm done I'll push it to my public repo at github
482 2011-08-10 11:22:05 <sacarlson> Giel: very good
483 2011-08-10 11:22:45 <Giel> tcatm: my diff for the async-part is much smaller than #214 though
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486 2011-08-10 11:24:48 <sacarlson> I always thought that ipv6 broadcast might be cool to eliminate the problem with the connection bootstrap at startup to partly eliminate the need dns and hardcoded address seeding
487 2011-08-10 11:25:24 <tcatm> Giel: one reason why it's not async yet are deadlocks. you should check whether your code will be safe.
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490 2011-08-10 11:29:05 <Giel> tcatm: deadlocks in bitcoin itself I presume (i.e. stuff called by the RPC)?
491 2011-08-10 11:31:03 <tcatm> Giel: there's still some logic in rpc.cpp left
492 2011-08-10 11:31:39 <tcatm> maybe you can do IO async but execute the calls in a single thread
493 2011-08-10 11:32:58 <Giel> tcatm: that's what my current implementation does, though it allows for easy increase of threads
494 2011-08-10 11:34:39 <tcatm> great. let me know when you've pushed it to github
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510 2011-08-10 12:28:22 <Giel> tcatm: https://github.com/muggenhor/bitcoin/tree/async-ipv6-rpc
511 2011-08-10 12:29:39 <ThomasV> tcatm: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/britcoinGBP#rg60zvztgSzm1g10zm2g25 <-- broken
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521 2011-08-10 12:39:32 <tcatm> ThomasV: nope, someone just paid 5000 GBP for 1 BTC
522 2011-08-10 12:39:51 <ThomasV> huh ?
523 2011-08-10 12:40:01 <ThomasV> who did that ? :-)
524 2011-08-10 12:40:22 <tcatm> no idea. it's britcoin's crazy ordermatching algorithm that does that sometimes
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526 2011-08-10 12:43:24 <edcba> 5000GBP for 1 bitcoin ?!??
527 2011-08-10 12:43:56 <eps> sold
528 2011-08-10 12:44:02 <eps> i expect payment quickly
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530 2011-08-10 12:44:58 <tcatm> edcba: yes. maybe it was only 0.001 BTC for 5 GBP
531 2011-08-10 12:45:15 <edcba> hope so :)
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534 2011-08-10 12:46:29 <tcatm> Giel: looks good. can you make a pull request?
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536 2011-08-10 12:48:24 <Eliel> tcatm: I expect mtgox might do that too if there ever was a situation that no BTC was for sale at less :P
537 2011-08-10 12:49:24 <upb> no it never does that
538 2011-08-10 12:49:34 <upb> it actually respect LIMITS on LIMIT ORDERS
539 2011-08-10 12:49:44 <upb> unlike some guys who cant grasp the concept of that :p
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542 2011-08-10 12:50:57 <tcatm> Eliel: please search the forum for more information. britcoin does use a completely different algorithm than other exchanges.
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554 2011-08-10 13:06:58 <Eliel> tcatm: ah, so it's because it doesn't sort the matching orders so it'd match best first.
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558 2011-08-10 13:15:41 <Giel> tcatm: done: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/457
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560 2011-08-10 13:17:03 <tcatm> Giel: great. let's see what the other devs say
561 2011-08-10 13:18:35 <tcatm> Giel: looks like on some lines the indentation is wrong. lines 2166++, 2178, and so on
562 2011-08-10 13:19:07 <Giel> tcatm: 4-space indentation right?
563 2011-08-10 13:20:04 <Giel> oh, dang, I guess I forgot to set expandtab in vim
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567 2011-08-10 13:21:03 <tcatm> Giel: you could put a custom .vimrc in your bitcoin src folder :)
568 2011-08-10 13:22:58 <Giel> vim searches for .vimrc in other places than $HOME ?
569 2011-08-10 13:23:22 <tcatm> yes
570 2011-08-10 13:23:48 <Giel> that's awesome, didn't know that
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572 2011-08-10 13:24:19 <tcatm> Giel: also put "set secure" as the last line in your ~/.vimrc
573 2011-08-10 13:24:46 <tcatm> otherwise a .vimrc might run evil commands
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579 2011-08-10 13:28:47 <Giel> anyway, I fixed the indentation and ammended the commits
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587 2011-08-10 13:48:25 <Giel> now, for the next thing; I was thinking of implementing SOCKS4a proxy support
588 2011-08-10 13:48:47 <Giel> i.e. if -addnode/-connect's argument isn't an IP address, to pass it as the hostname in a SOCKS4a request
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599 2011-08-10 14:04:49 <luke-jr> Giel: IIRC SOCKS4 does not support DNS, only IPs; you need SOCKS5 for DNS resolution
600 2011-08-10 14:06:12 <Giel> luke-jr: SOCKS4a supports DNS (hence the -a part)
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602 2011-08-10 14:07:01 <Giel> and it's easier to implement than SOCKS5 (as the handshake is simpler)
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604 2011-08-10 14:09:46 <Giel> heck the real problem seems to be passing the domain-name to ConnectSocket without changing 30ish function prototypes
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653 2011-08-10 15:34:23 <xelister> cool - http://freshbtc.com <-- new polish exchange opened! (I am not recommending it here)
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655 2011-08-10 15:35:03 <copumpkin> for someone not recommending it here, you seem to be not recommending it in a lot of places
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658 2011-08-10 15:35:21 <copumpkin> :)
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664 2011-08-10 15:48:09 <ciscoftw_l33t> not all that solid on bitcoins p2p's DHT functions, but my firewall has logged IRC join requests to "irc.lechat.ir" ...the machine that created this traffic is running bitcoind.exe on a windows machines (...its the RPC server for 4 mining clients i have)
665 2011-08-10 15:48:26 <ciscoftw_l33t> ...face valuse i assume this machine has been pwned?
666 2011-08-10 15:49:22 <luke-jr> ciscoftw_l33t: what?
667 2011-08-10 15:49:30 <ciscoftw_l33t> yeah...
668 2011-08-10 15:49:34 <luke-jr> Bitcoin doesn't have anything to do with DHT
669 2011-08-10 15:49:40 <luke-jr> and uses IRC by default
670 2011-08-10 15:49:52 <ciscoftw_l33t> for fining peers?
671 2011-08-10 15:49:55 <luke-jr> yes
672 2011-08-10 15:50:26 <ciscoftw_l33t> looking via net.cpp, array pnSeed does not indicate that
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674 2011-08-10 15:51:41 <Giel> ciscoftw_l33t: it uses both DNS *and* IRC for finding peers
675 2011-08-10 15:52:08 <ciscoftw_l33t> so no DHT???
676 2011-08-10 15:52:27 <luke-jr> no DHT
677 2011-08-10 15:52:35 <luke-jr> DHT is useless for Bitcoin. kindof.
678 2011-08-10 15:52:54 <mtrlt> do you even know what DHT is >_>
679 2011-08-10 15:53:00 <ciscoftw_l33t> HAHAHAAh
680 2011-08-10 15:53:13 <ciscoftw_l33t> wrote a huge paper on DHT
681 2011-08-10 15:53:19 <ciscoftw_l33t> ...trying not to flame...
682 2011-08-10 15:53:19 <Giel> I believe it does find peers via its own protocols, that, however, is only after startup
683 2011-08-10 15:53:28 <mtrlt> ciscoftw_l33t: but failing hard
684 2011-08-10 15:53:46 <Giel> and a DHT would indeed be rather useless if your only purpose is to find other peers
685 2011-08-10 15:54:03 <luke-jr> not to mention DHT needs peers to bootstrap too
686 2011-08-10 15:54:16 <ciscoftw_l33t> finding peers is pretty gd importing for bitcoin
687 2011-08-10 15:54:17 <luke-jr> DHT *could* work for not keeping a local copy of the block chain, though
688 2011-08-10 15:54:22 <Giel> and considering that all nodes already have all state I don't see what you'd want to find *other* than peers
689 2011-08-10 15:54:28 <luke-jr> ciscoftw_l33t: DHT does not help find peers
690 2011-08-10 15:54:55 <Giel> ciscoftw_l33t: I think you're confusing BitTorrent with BitCoin
691 2011-08-10 15:55:00 <luke-jr> lol
692 2011-08-10 15:55:14 <ciscoftw_l33t> yeah... i think your right
693 2011-08-10 15:55:28 <Giel> a BitCoin client stores *all* state-data locally (i.e. the block-chain), BitTorrent doesn't...
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695 2011-08-10 15:55:44 <ciscoftw_l33t> ...dude
696 2011-08-10 15:56:03 <cjdelisle> I told them that everything they're doing now has been done 10 years ago by bittorrent people but they want to give it another go.
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698 2011-08-10 15:56:50 <ciscoftw_l33t> bitcoin does not use a DHT to find peers, got it. but DHT is used to find peers within decentralized network
699 2011-08-10 15:57:24 <Giel> ciscoftw_l33t: no DHT is used to discover which peers store certain pieces of data that you're looking for
700 2011-08-10 15:58:03 <luke-jr> ciscoftw_l33t: DHT cannot be used unless you *already have* peers
701 2011-08-10 15:58:16 <luke-jr> if you already have peers, Bitcoin's own protocol works fine
702 2011-08-10 15:58:35 <Giel> except that a BitCoin client doesn't need specific pieces of data, it needs *all* data, and *all* clients need it, as such any single peer is enough to get the data you need
703 2011-08-10 15:58:39 <cjdelisle> Kadimllia is very good for peer introduction, selecting peers that are most likely to stay online, and broadcasting messages out in a way that they are unlikely to be duplicated.
704 2011-08-10 15:58:51 <ciscoftw_l33t> so once it resolves the "tracker" peer negoation is done via what means?
705 2011-08-10 15:59:18 <luke-jr> there is no tracker
706 2011-08-10 15:59:38 <ciscoftw_l33t> ...tracker = net.cpp, array pnSeed
707 2011-08-10 15:59:39 <cjdelisle> That said, the likelyhood of making any major change to the mainline client is about equal to the likelyhood of making a major change to the US banking system.
708 2011-08-10 16:00:40 <luke-jr> anyone want to write a Bitcoin 2.0 yet? :P
709 2011-08-10 16:01:08 <cjdelisle> sacarlson is on to some pretty cool stuff.
710 2011-08-10 16:01:42 <ciscoftw_l33t> what other methods would be better than whats currently used (irc/dns) to resolve peers?
711 2011-08-10 16:01:52 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: ?
712 2011-08-10 16:02:01 <luke-jr> ciscoftw_l33t: none, DNS is win
713 2011-08-10 16:02:25 <ciscoftw_l33t> does namecoin offer dns differently than bitcoin?
714 2011-08-10 16:02:46 <cjdelisle> sacarlson is developing multicoin which takes the first step and seperates the code from the configuration so it can operate on different chains.
715 2011-08-10 16:02:49 <luke-jr> it would be ironic to bootstrap namecoin over DNS
716 2011-08-10 16:02:58 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: that's not Bitcoin 2.0
717 2011-08-10 16:03:10 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: it's just "durr, let's make alternate chains for no good reason"
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719 2011-08-10 16:03:17 <cjdelisle> That's not *your* idea of bitcoin 2.0
720 2011-08-10 16:03:19 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r184 /trunk/lib: Delete lib directory. Resolves issue 68. http://bitcoinj.googlecode.com/svn-history/r184/
721 2011-08-10 16:03:27 <luke-jr> Bitcoin 2.0 would be actually fixing the low-level problems in Bitcoin
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723 2011-08-10 16:04:17 <luke-jr> more useful scripts, for example
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726 2011-08-10 16:04:40 <luke-jr> network endian
727 2011-08-10 16:04:45 <luke-jr> etc
728 2011-08-10 16:04:50 <cjdelisle> O/T but interesting: http://torrentfreak.com/data-centers-crippled-by-bittorrent-broadcast-storm-110810
729 2011-08-10 16:05:15 <cjdelisle> silly things start to happen when you get millions of clients connecting at the same time.
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740 2011-08-10 16:24:51 <Giel> any reason why both Boost.Thread as well as POSIX threads are used?
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743 2011-08-10 16:28:08 <luke-jr> Giel: because the Satoshi client is a mess
744 2011-08-10 16:28:24 <molecular> I want to test a pull request: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/220. how to I actually pull it???
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746 2011-08-10 16:28:40 <molecular> I have cloned bitcoin master so far...
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749 2011-08-10 16:29:16 <Giel> luke-jr: I figured that out about 5 seconds after looking at the code
750 2011-08-10 16:29:28 <luke-jr> ;)
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753 2011-08-10 16:29:54 <Giel> molecular: add the repo from that pull request to your local repo as a remote, then fetch from it and checkout the branch from that pull-request
754 2011-08-10 16:30:41 <Giel> luke-jr: I think CAddress illustrates the WTF-ness the best
755 2011-08-10 16:31:27 <luke-jr> heh
756 2011-08-10 16:31:36 <luke-jr> I sanitized that a bit in my IPv6 branch
757 2011-08-10 16:32:10 <Giel> it implements network serialisation of IP/port descriptors, IP address classification, DNS resolution, conversion to BSD socket API descriptor, stringification ....
758 2011-08-10 16:32:39 <Giel> personally I think the *only* thing it should be allowed to do is the network serialisation
759 2011-08-10 16:32:53 <luke-jr> I disagree.
760 2011-08-10 16:32:57 <Giel> everything else can already be done by boost::asio::ip::tcp::endpoint
761 2011-08-10 16:33:07 <luke-jr> oh?
762 2011-08-10 16:33:14 <luke-jr> perhaps it should be a subclass then
763 2011-08-10 16:33:34 <luke-jr> but boost::asio::ip::tcp::endpoint sounds rather TCP-specific
764 2011-08-10 16:33:36 <luke-jr> maybe even TCPv4
765 2011-08-10 16:33:38 <molecular> Giel, thanks. it seems to have worked. how do I now the showwallet branch from sipa's repo is the same as what is in the pull request?
766 2011-08-10 16:33:46 <molecular> *know
767 2011-08-10 16:34:17 <Giel> molecular: git checkout -b $new_local_branch_name $remote/$remote_branch_name
768 2011-08-10 16:34:36 <molecular> yeah, I did that.
769 2011-08-10 16:34:40 <Giel> luke-jr: it's TCP specific, but works with both IPv4 and IPv6
770 2011-08-10 16:35:12 <Giel> molecular: do the same then for that branch from sipa's
771 2011-08-10 16:35:23 <molecular> Giel, but: "sipa wants someone to merge 7 commits into bitcoin:master from sipa:showwallet" <- how do I know there is not - say - 9 commit in the sipa:showwallet branch that I know checked out
772 2011-08-10 16:35:38 <luke-jr> Giel: I suspect Satoshi simply wasn't aware of the boost class
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774 2011-08-10 16:36:00 <Giel> luke-jr: as for making CAddress a sublcass, best not; in fact some places where CAddress is used it quite simply shouldn't be used...
775 2011-08-10 16:36:19 <molecular> Giel: I did: "git remote add sipa git://github.com/sipa/bitcoin, "git fetch sipa", "git checkout -b showwallet sipa/showwallet"
776 2011-08-10 16:36:38 <Giel> molecular: github always shows *all* commits in that branch, so if it says 7, there should be only 7
777 2011-08-10 16:36:47 <molecular> Giel I just want to make sure I test exactly what gavin will pull in
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779 2011-08-10 16:37:18 <molecular> Giel, ok, that clears it up. you can't actually make a pull request from part of a branch, then, right?
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781 2011-08-10 16:37:23 <Giel> luke-jr: looking at the code I suspect large parts were written by people unaware of functionality in libraries that are already in use
782 2011-08-10 16:37:43 <Giel> molecular: nope, a pull request is the entire branch
783 2011-08-10 16:37:50 <luke-jr> Giel: pretty much 100% of it was written by Satoshi and Sirius way back when
784 2011-08-10 16:37:59 <molecular> Giel, good, thanks for your help!
785 2011-08-10 16:38:05 <Giel> luke-jr: including the RPC stuff?
786 2011-08-10 16:38:11 <luke-jr> not sure
787 2011-08-10 16:38:13 <Giel> because that seems reasonably well-written to me
788 2011-08-10 16:38:19 <luke-jr> lol :P
789 2011-08-10 16:38:33 <luke-jr> maybe after the multithread/async stuff gets pulled
790 2011-08-10 16:38:40 <luke-jr> and even then, it's not really HTTP compliant
791 2011-08-10 16:38:44 <Giel> where "reasonably well-written" means "not as godawfully bad as the rest" ;-)
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793 2011-08-10 16:40:36 <Giel> maybe bitcoin should just use fastcgi and leave the HTTP stuff up to an actual HTTP server...
794 2011-08-10 16:41:20 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
795 2011-08-10 16:41:20 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 22 hours, 43 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> forrestv: see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/453
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798 2011-08-10 16:44:24 <luke-jr> Giel: then people would need an actual HTTP server
799 2011-08-10 16:44:44 <luke-jr> Giel: I agree on a simplified protocol though :p
800 2011-08-10 16:45:09 <luke-jr> at the same time, HTTP is easier for webapps to use
801 2011-08-10 16:45:15 <Giel> HTTP is actually a rather simple protocol
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804 2011-08-10 16:49:41 <luke-jr> to an extent
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808 2011-08-10 17:07:02 <bonsaikitten> luke-jr: HTTP/1.0 is very simple, and you might even get away with the HTTP/0.9 subset
809 2011-08-10 17:07:14 <bonsaikitten> not that I'd written such a thing in the past, eh?
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818 2011-08-10 17:18:27 <coderrr> https://github.com/coderrr/bitcoin/commit/7ae842e33e66db6e0e335b7aac70eedf3ced29fd - https://gist.github.com/dac0e97c3709361ef2e1
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822 2011-08-10 17:24:46 <jann783> want to buy bitcoins ! let me see your offers
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831 2011-08-10 17:25:43 <BlueMatt> jann783: not here, #bitcoin-otc
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833 2011-08-10 17:26:29 <jann783> thx @ blueMatt
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839 2011-08-10 17:31:01 <vegard> hi. does anybody know who operates the irc network that serves as client bootstrap for bitcoin?
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842 2011-08-10 17:38:07 <BlueMatt> laszlo does
843 2011-08-10 17:38:45 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: miron@google.com * r185 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/Peer.java: Fixes for r165 code review http://bitcoinj.googlecode.com/svn-history/r185/
844 2011-08-10 17:39:08 <vegard> Laszlo Hanyecz?
845 2011-08-10 17:39:23 <BlueMatt> yep
846 2011-08-10 17:40:43 <vegard> is he (ever) in here? was he an early bitcoin user?
847 2011-08-10 17:41:02 <BlueMatt> early, not seen here in a while
848 2011-08-10 17:41:33 <BlueMatt> still responds if you email him (usually)
849 2011-08-10 17:42:43 <vegard> thanks.
850 2011-08-10 17:42:52 <BlueMatt> can I ask why?
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852 2011-08-10 17:44:49 <vegard> I was just wondering where lfnet came from
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854 2011-08-10 17:45:31 <BlueMatt> dont think its worth emailing him...
855 2011-08-10 17:46:08 <vegard> oh, I'm not going to
856 2011-08-10 17:46:37 <cut> theres a page about where the irc came from on the wiki about the bootstrap
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864 2011-08-10 17:49:24 <jjjrmy> Hello
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869 2011-08-10 17:51:54 <vegard> arrested in 2004? lol
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883 2011-08-10 17:59:58 <chinaskibit> Excuse me for being a noob, but what would be the...unforseen challenges...In creating a bit pool site like deepbit.net
884 2011-08-10 18:03:18 <coderrr> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24784.msg446276#msg446276
885 2011-08-10 18:04:00 <xelister> allert
886 2011-08-10 18:04:02 <xelister> FreeNODE is run by jackasses. we should consider changing IRC servers.
887 2011-08-10 18:05:16 <BlueMatt> chill out
888 2011-08-10 18:05:49 <jjjrmy> can someone help me :(
889 2011-08-10 18:06:08 <Namegduf> xelister: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NUbPhaVyuGs/R72NJndOrPI/AAAAAAAABn0/OD_m_B2hwZE/s400/Preparation+H.jpg <- This should help you.
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895 2011-08-10 18:17:23 <neofutur> xelister: freenode is cool and supporting bitcoins, if you move to another irc server you ll have 10-100 times less people on the channel
896 2011-08-10 18:17:41 <xelister> neofutur: well look at this shit: http://pastebin.com/n5dY14Lj
897 2011-08-10 18:17:49 <xelister> guilty untill proven innocent
898 2011-08-10 18:19:06 <neofutur> xelister: you say freenode is bad because you have been kicked for offtopic from ##linux ?
899 2011-08-10 18:19:18 <xelister> neofutur: nope
900 2011-08-10 18:19:20 <neofutur> i d have also kicked you ;)
901 2011-08-10 18:19:35 <jjjrmy> Will pay 1 BTC to anyone who sets up the Android Dev Enviroment on my PC
902 2011-08-10 18:19:54 <xelister> because admin there is kicking people for no good reason, flaming and insulting people - and freeNODE condones this
903 2011-08-10 18:20:13 <neofutur> admins are masters on their channel
904 2011-08-10 18:20:23 <neofutur> create yourown channel if you love offtopic / troll
905 2011-08-10 18:20:32 <neofutur> and this have nothing to do with freenode
906 2011-08-10 18:20:53 <xelister> neofutur: the problem is, the Op of ##linux started trolling and flaming and so on. read the log http://pastebin.com/n5dY14Lj
907 2011-08-10 18:21:19 <xelister> and I know from many people that overall such behaviour is condoned by freenode staff
908 2011-08-10 18:21:26 <neofutur> ##linux ops are masters on their own channel, nothing freenode related
909 2011-08-10 18:21:34 <xelister> actually psi-jack there presented everything against liberty
910 2011-08-10 18:21:51 <neofutur> so, /part ##linux
911 2011-08-10 18:21:54 <xelister> neofutur: nope, ##linux is exception, the freenode staff appoints admins there
912 2011-08-10 18:22:02 <xelister> so this is freenode's policy
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933 2011-08-10 18:54:59 <luke-jr> xelister: liberty is not God
934 2011-08-10 18:55:28 <ThomasV> no, it's a godess
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936 2011-08-10 18:55:47 <luke-jr> also, admission to a crime = proven
937 2011-08-10 18:55:54 <xelister> luke-jr: what crime
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939 2011-08-10 18:56:38 <luke-jr> nm, missed the wargames thing beign legit
940 2011-08-10 18:56:42 <xelister> yeap
941 2011-08-10 18:57:07 <phantomcircuit> xelister, lol i fucking hate psi-jack
942 2011-08-10 18:57:10 <luke-jr> Psi-Jack looks like an idiot
943 2011-08-10 18:57:11 <phantomcircuit> that guy is a jackass
944 2011-08-10 18:57:15 <xelister> phantomcircuit: he is
945 2011-08-10 18:57:20 <xelister> lets take it to #freenode
946 2011-08-10 18:57:33 <luke-jr> while I agree with his banning for copyright infringement, it isn't a crime let alone piracy
947 2011-08-10 18:57:34 <xelister> dunno if any of you help fellow libertarians =) but Im going
948 2011-08-10 18:57:49 <xelister> luke-jr: what copyright infringment?
949 2011-08-10 18:58:09 <phantomcircuit> he banned me for asking for advice flashing my bios
950 2011-08-10 18:58:18 <luke-jr> xelister: that seemed to be Psi-Jack's excuse
951 2011-08-10 18:58:20 <xelister> there is nothing on that guy. other then that he said "fuck off" to admin that started repeatly and without basis calling him "crimminal" and flaming him
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953 2011-08-10 18:58:32 <phantomcircuit> because apparently manufacturers being dicks and only providing windows executables is off topic in ##linux
954 2011-08-10 18:58:35 <xelister> luke-jr: yea, there is NOTHING to explain his "excuse"
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956 2011-08-10 18:58:59 <luke-jr> xelister: so that website doesn't endorse copyright infringement?
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959 2011-08-10 19:00:39 <phantomcircuit> rofl
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962 2011-08-10 19:01:03 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, first off all that isn't illegal, second of all wargames is exactly the opposite of illegal
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964 2011-08-10 19:02:02 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: copyright infringement is illegal
965 2011-08-10 19:02:13 <phantomcircuit> endorsing it is not
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967 2011-08-10 19:02:28 <TD> no, endorsing illegal behavior just makes you a jackass
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969 2011-08-10 19:02:37 <luke-jr> ^
970 2011-08-10 19:03:05 <phantomcircuit> that's actually a very small portion of their shitty site
971 2011-08-10 19:03:39 <phantomcircuit> most of what they most if exploit code and other assorted garbage
972 2011-08-10 19:04:20 <phantomcircuit> i doubt anybody has successfully used anything obtained from them for anything
973 2011-08-10 19:04:51 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, also he's a dick so ill defend anybody who is clearly just asking a question
974 2011-08-10 19:05:43 <luke-jr> lol
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977 2011-08-10 19:07:06 <cjdelisle> irc drama... and now you know why the network lags sometimes
978 2011-08-10 19:08:33 <xelister> luke-jr: I have no idea
979 2011-08-10 19:08:51 <xelister> luke-jr: also google does endorse piracy by linking to TPB results in most countries still. so?
980 2011-08-10 19:09:15 <luke-jr> Google is evil anyway
981 2011-08-10 19:09:26 <Diablo-D3> EVERYBODY IS EVILLLLLLLLLL
982 2011-08-10 19:10:13 <ciscoftw_l33t> googlewatch.org is old, but insightful???
983 2011-08-10 19:10:22 <upb> lol @ that log
984 2011-08-10 19:10:24 <upb> what the fuck
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1020 2011-08-10 20:06:14 <owowo> ;;bc,diffchange
1021 2011-08-10 20:06:15 <gribble> -2.32034835431 % estimated difficulty change this period
1022 2011-08-10 20:06:30 <owowo> ;;bc,timetonext
1023 2011-08-10 20:06:31 <gribble> 4 days, 23 hours, 33 minutes, and 12 seconds
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1026 2011-08-10 20:14:35 <Giel> does bitcoin even work on big endian systems?
1027 2011-08-10 20:15:09 <Giel> I'm finding loads of code that depends on the system being little endian
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1029 2011-08-10 20:16:23 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1030 2011-08-10 20:16:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 140438 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 681 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 23 hours, 33 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1844960.27411925
1031 2011-08-10 20:16:31 <gjs278> that drop makes me happy
1032 2011-08-10 20:19:08 <lfm> bc,spotestimate
1033 2011-08-10 20:19:13 <lfm> ;;bc,spotestimate
1034 2011-08-10 20:19:17 <gribble> 1913599.25901
1035 2011-08-10 20:19:26 <lfm> might not drop now
1036 2011-08-10 20:21:35 <gjs278> dang
1037 2011-08-10 20:21:50 <gjs278> oh well, not much of a jump either
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1054 2011-08-10 21:01:51 <xelister> freshbtc.com: xss, csrf. buggy paying. confusing sell with buy orders. the 2nd polish exchange. try it for free.
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1060 2011-08-10 21:08:01 <copumpkin> xelister: can you stop advertising that?
1061 2011-08-10 21:08:03 <copumpkin> in here, at least
1062 2011-08-10 21:08:25 <copumpkin> that was a glowing endorsement, at least :)
1063 2011-08-10 21:08:29 <Diablo-D3> lol
1064 2011-08-10 21:09:14 <Diablo-D3> man Im tired
1065 2011-08-10 21:09:16 <Diablo-D3> and I dont know why
1066 2011-08-10 21:09:34 <copumpkin> have you slept in the last 16 hours or so?
1067 2011-08-10 21:09:41 <Diablo-D3> yeah
1068 2011-08-10 21:09:47 <copumpkin> hmm, I'm out of ideas then
1069 2011-08-10 21:09:49 <Diablo-D3> lol
1070 2011-08-10 21:09:58 <Diablo-D3> I dunno, maybe Ill take a nap
1071 2011-08-10 21:10:06 <vegard> Giel: I doubt it.
1072 2011-08-10 21:10:39 <vegard> Giel: it was one of my first thoughts on seeing the bitcoin code for the first time :)
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1074 2011-08-10 21:11:25 <copumpkin> Diablo-D3: pretty radical idea, but it might just work
1075 2011-08-10 21:11:34 <xelister> copumpkin: it was a way?
1076 2011-08-10 21:11:37 <xelister> copumpkin: you drunk bro?
1077 2011-08-10 21:11:46 <xelister> btw, after all the csrf is not nesesrly true
1078 2011-08-10 21:11:50 <Diablo-D3> [05:05:00] <vegard> Giel: it was one of my first thoughts on seeing the bitcoin code for the first time :)
1079 2011-08-10 21:11:54 <Diablo-D3> "zomg wtf is this shit!?"
1080 2011-08-10 21:11:59 <xelister> but apparently someone transactions (sending btc) is waiting 15+ blocks still
1081 2011-08-10 21:12:15 <Diablo-D3> heh, xel, what about that time you tried to flood me with tx
1082 2011-08-10 21:12:27 <xelister> Diablo-D3: that was a fun time indeed
1083 2011-08-10 21:12:36 <Diablo-D3> 36 hours for the final tx to trickle in
1084 2011-08-10 21:12:36 <xelister> costed 30 usd =)
1085 2011-08-10 21:12:39 <xelister> oh
1086 2011-08-10 21:12:41 <xelister> no no
1087 2011-08-10 21:12:53 <xelister> the transaction is already in a block. for 20 blocks ago
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1098 2011-08-10 21:37:59 <Giel> vegard: after running it on a SPARC I've come to the conclusion that: no bitcoind does *not* work on big endian systems...
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1100 2011-08-10 21:40:33 <edcba> ie bitcoind works on big endian systems ?
1101 2011-08-10 21:40:41 <b4epoche_> it does not
1102 2011-08-10 21:40:59 <b4epoche_> this is clearly stated somewhere
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1104 2011-08-10 21:42:24 <Giel> edcba: i.e. bitcoin *doesn't* work on big endian systems
1105 2011-08-10 21:42:50 <copumpkin> damn
1106 2011-08-10 21:42:56 <copumpkin> that seems unfortunate
1107 2011-08-10 21:43:22 <Giel> I'd call it a bug, not just "unfortunate"
1108 2011-08-10 21:44:05 <upb> it has so much endian and byte swapping
1109 2011-08-10 21:44:11 <upb> all for nothing :D
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1111 2011-08-10 21:46:00 * b4epoche_ I think read that maybe in makefile.osx where it states no PowerPC because no big endian...
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1128 2011-08-10 22:09:09 <Giel> ;;bc,stats
1129 2011-08-10 22:09:11 <gribble> Current Blocks: 140449 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 670 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1843818.60992698
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1141 2011-08-10 22:36:47 * Eliel wonders if the memory intensive hashing algorithm is a good idea overall... sounds like botnets would have a field day with that sort of proof of work algo.
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1143 2011-08-10 22:37:35 <enquirer> but botnets would have a field day with any sort of proof of work algo
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1145 2011-08-10 22:38:09 <copumpkin> proof of human work!
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1149 2011-08-10 22:38:34 <tcatm> if you find work that only humans can do but computers can easily verify....
1150 2011-08-10 22:38:38 <enquirer> chinese wrk camps will have a field day then )
1151 2011-08-10 22:39:12 <enquirer> solve captchas!
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1153 2011-08-10 22:40:16 <tcatm> the proof of work also needs a coefficient that adjusts the time it takes to do the work
1154 2011-08-10 22:40:23 <Eliel> enquirer: botnets aren't too effective overall with the current hash algo.
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1156 2011-08-10 22:40:47 <Eliel> one not too expensive GPU can easily do the work of a botnet.
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1158 2011-08-10 22:40:59 <lfm> just till botnets figure out how to use gpu better
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1160 2011-08-10 22:41:39 <Eliel> lfm: most systems don't have GPUs that'd be useful for mining.
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1163 2011-08-10 22:41:55 <Eliel> well, at least, not much more useful than the cpus
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1165 2011-08-10 22:42:14 <lfm> still
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1167 2011-08-10 22:42:53 <Eliel> with a memory intensive hashing algorithm that brought cpus back to being viable for mining would dramatically increase the portion of the network hashing speed a botnet could have.
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1169 2011-08-10 22:44:10 <tcatm> until people start buying harddisks for mining?
1170 2011-08-10 22:45:35 <Eliel> umh... I believe the memory intensive idea is so that custom asics for bitcoin mining couldn't get too much of an upper hand.
1171 2011-08-10 22:45:57 <lfm> you can run memory with asics
1172 2011-08-10 22:46:17 <enquirer> botnets can't mine with CPU it immediately makes user notice and take action
1173 2011-08-10 22:46:17 <tcatm> what would stop someone from adding memory to asics? that's even simpler than writing a sha256 miner
1174 2011-08-10 22:47:23 <lfm> enquirer: could they use gpu tho
1175 2011-08-10 22:47:49 <Eliel> tcatm: memory takes a lot of space.
1176 2011-08-10 22:48:08 <lfm> you can run regular memory from an asci
1177 2011-08-10 22:48:18 <lfm> asic
1178 2011-08-10 22:48:24 <Eliel> yep, but it complicates the asic design
1179 2011-08-10 22:48:48 <lfm> wooo wooo, its complicated!. like thatd stop anything
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1182 2011-08-10 22:48:52 <Eliel> and adds similar inefficiencies cpus have
1183 2011-08-10 22:49:03 <tcatm> Eliel: just add a DDR3 bus and use off-the-shelf computer memory. that's not too hard
1184 2011-08-10 22:49:31 <enquirer> build large L1 cache
1185 2011-08-10 22:49:36 <Eliel> tcatm: the question is, would the asic still be significantly faster at mining if they had to do that?
1186 2011-08-10 22:49:45 <D0han> then why not use memory on graphic card to boost GPU?
1187 2011-08-10 22:49:45 <D0han> ;D
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1189 2011-08-10 22:49:58 <tcatm> Eliel: yes. just add multiple parallel memory interfaces
1190 2011-08-10 22:50:14 <lfm> ya gpu have almost as much memory as cpu these days
1191 2011-08-10 22:51:33 <lfm> I think the point is you're talking about general purpose computation which can be done on any general purpose compute platform, cpu, gpu, or asic.
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1193 2011-08-10 22:52:48 <enquirer> you could probably build a special purpose memory that allows parallel access, which defeats the proof of work
1194 2011-08-10 22:54:15 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49|Eliel, don't need memory I think
1195 2011-08-10 22:54:17 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49|ECDSA+SHA2+?160 would make CPU competitive
1196 2011-08-10 22:54:19 <lfm> so theres not much point in changing it really
1197 2011-08-10 22:54:22 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49|also botnets can use GPUs
1198 2011-08-10 22:55:15 <BitcoinForNewegg> good luck with actually doing the change...
1199 2011-08-10 22:55:40 <BitcoinForNewegg> you woudl ahve to convince all the current GPU users to do it
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1201 2011-08-10 22:56:28 <enquirer> just launch a new block chain
1202 2011-08-10 22:57:32 <Eliel> BitcoinForNewegg: I was mostly wondering if there was any sense at all in the proposal :)
1203 2011-08-10 22:57:47 <Eliel> I guess not really.
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1205 2011-08-10 23:00:00 <nwtspv> Is that Newegg the tech blog?
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1208 2011-08-10 23:02:29 <nwtspv> might be something else, forget it
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1217 2011-08-10 23:12:55 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr|otg, it's fairly difficult to run a gpu miner on a botnet
1218 2011-08-10 23:12:58 <phantomcircuit> people would notice that
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1224 2011-08-10 23:19:56 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49|phantomcircuit, they notice CPU more IMO
1225 2011-08-10 23:20:24 <phantomcircuit> cpu is easier to hide
1226 2011-08-10 23:20:30 <phantomcircuit> you simply set the priority to be low
1227 2011-08-10 23:20:36 <phantomcircuit> shazam nobody is gonna notice
1228 2011-08-10 23:20:57 <phantomcircuit> with the gpu if you're over doing it they'll get video tearing and such
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1230 2011-08-10 23:21:37 <D0han> so set smaller agression and you will be fine
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1233 2011-08-10 23:23:02 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49|phantomcircuit, does priority work on Win?
1234 2011-08-10 23:23:12 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49|it doesn't on Linux lately
1235 2011-08-10 23:23:36 <phantomcircuit> it works reasonably well
1236 2011-08-10 23:23:43 <phantomcircuit> and it definitely works on linux
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1238 2011-08-10 23:23:58 <phantomcircuit> works perfectly on this system
1239 2011-08-10 23:24:05 <phantomcircuit> not only for cpu time but memory and io
1240 2011-08-10 23:24:14 <phantomcircuit> although io is a bit wrong
1241 2011-08-10 23:25:33 <tcatm> ionice should work, too
1242 2011-08-10 23:25:42 <makomk> IO priority is fundamentally hard to get right.
1243 2011-08-10 23:26:23 <makomk> At least with traditional spinning disks that have substantial seek times...
1244 2011-08-10 23:26:55 <tcatm> I run all my backup scripts with ionice as background jobs. They don't even cause xrun when doing low latency audio recordings (on the same disk) anymore.
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