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   9 2011-08-11 00:11:33 <EvanR> 140323, thats where my client is
  10 2011-08-11 00:11:39 <EvanR> 118 connections
  11 2011-08-11 00:11:44 <EvanR> not moving
  12 2011-08-11 00:14:02 <Plasma-> I find restarting the client sometimes helps
  13 2011-08-11 00:14:43 <xelister> listtransactions | grep amount
  14 2011-08-11 00:14:55 <xelister> shows 10 transactions 50.00 each - all are category immature
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  16 2011-08-11 00:15:11 <xelister> and yet    "balance" : 10200.42400000
  17 2011-08-11 00:15:16 <xelister> why so? this is testnet btw
  18 2011-08-11 00:15:37 <EvanR> Plasma-: ok
  19 2011-08-11 00:15:56 <EvanR> EXCEPTION: 11DbException Db::put: Cannot allocate memory bitcoin in AppInit()
  20 2011-08-11 00:16:08 <EvanR> :S
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  22 2011-08-11 00:19:01 <EvanR> i still cant reboot it
  23 2011-08-11 00:19:06 <EvanR> restarting X
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  25 2011-08-11 00:23:01 <lfm> either you have a very small machine with hardly any memory or you have a database corrupt situation
  26 2011-08-11 00:23:18 <lfm> oh hes gone
  27 2011-08-11 00:23:32 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
  28 2011-08-11 00:23:33 <gribble> 140464
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  41 2011-08-11 00:42:50 <EvanR> now i cant start bitcoin
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  43 2011-08-11 00:43:23 <EvanR> it takes a while
  44 2011-08-11 00:43:30 <EvanR> then gives two exception alert boxes
  45 2011-08-11 00:44:39 <EvanR> EXCEPTION: 11DbException Db::put: Cannot allocate memory bicoin in AppInit()
  46 2011-08-11 00:45:01 <EvanR> EXCEPTION: 11DbException Db::put: Cannot allocate memory bicoin in CMyApp::OnUnhandledException()
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  48 2011-08-11 00:48:14 <lfm> either you have a very small machine with hardly any memory or you have a database corrupt situation
  49 2011-08-11 00:48:39 <EvanR> total  used   free
  50 2011-08-11 00:48:46 <EvanR> 1255   1105  151
  51 2011-08-11 00:48:59 <EvanR> 980       0    980
  52 2011-08-11 00:49:02 <EvanR> (swap)
  53 2011-08-11 00:49:18 <EvanR> how can the database be corrupt what happened to ACID
  54 2011-08-11 00:50:09 <lfm> if you ran outa memory the database might not be ablke to do its thing
  55 2011-08-11 00:50:24 <EvanR> >_>
  56 2011-08-11 00:50:48 <lfm> memory in Kbytes? thats not much
  57 2011-08-11 00:50:53 <EvanR> megabytes
  58 2011-08-11 00:51:24 <lfm> is that mswin then?
  59 2011-08-11 00:51:28 <EvanR> linux
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  61 2011-08-11 00:53:10 <EvanR> running out of memory causing database inconsistencies does not sound like sane software
  62 2011-08-11 00:53:33 <lfm> if you reboot normlly with bitcoin running sometimes it does not allow long enuf for bitcoin to shut down normally
  63 2011-08-11 00:53:34 <EvanR> im deleting my wallet
  64 2011-08-11 00:53:49 <EvanR> i dont ever reboot
  65 2011-08-11 00:53:54 <lfm> EvanR: HUH? are you nuts
  66 2011-08-11 00:53:56 <EvanR> and that shouldnt cause database inconsistencies either
  67 2011-08-11 00:54:05 <EvanR> it should simply fail to commit
  68 2011-08-11 00:54:12 <lfm> why delete your wallet
  69 2011-08-11 00:54:23 <EvanR> because you say its corrupt
  70 2011-08-11 00:54:34 <EvanR> oh
  71 2011-08-11 00:54:37 <lfm> no, I did not say the wallet was corrupt
  72 2011-08-11 00:54:43 <EvanR> the database is the block chain
  73 2011-08-11 00:54:54 <lfm> there are several databases used by bitcoin, not just wallet
  74 2011-08-11 00:55:07 <EvanR> well exactly what am i dealing with then
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  76 2011-08-11 00:55:15 <gjs278> if it ever does that to me (it has once before), I take the wallet.dat and just make a new .bitcoin
  77 2011-08-11 00:55:22 <gjs278> I wasn't able to fix it
  78 2011-08-11 00:55:36 <lfm> try bdb_recover
  79 2011-08-11 00:55:42 <EvanR> on what?
  80 2011-08-11 00:55:55 <lfm> on ~/.bitcoin
  81 2011-08-11 00:56:01 <EvanR> :S
  82 2011-08-11 00:56:13 <neofutur> fyi , real time mtgox quotes now on #mtgox-RT
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  84 2011-08-11 00:56:24 <neofutur> ( still testing, but working ;)
  85 2011-08-11 00:56:38 <EvanR> command not found
  86 2011-08-11 00:56:46 <lfm> so install it
  87 2011-08-11 00:56:59 <EvanR> install what? thats not included in berkley db?
  88 2011-08-11 00:57:15 <lfm> install bdb_recover
  89 2011-08-11 00:57:21 <EvanR> ._.
  90 2011-08-11 00:57:31 <lfm> yes it is part of berkley db
  91 2011-08-11 00:57:44 <EvanR> id really like to make sure my money exists sooner than lataer
  92 2011-08-11 00:57:53 <EvanR> i want to do gjs278's suggestion
  93 2011-08-11 00:57:59 <gjs278> I think your wallet.dat is fine, that error is generally something database
  94 2011-08-11 00:58:12 <gjs278> like the blockchain
  95 2011-08-11 00:59:23 <EvanR> i deleted .bitcoin
  96 2011-08-11 00:59:25 <EvanR> ./bitcoin: symbol lookup error: ./bitcoin: undefined symbol: gtk_widget_get_realized
  97 2011-08-11 00:59:39 <gjs278> bitcoind would work too
  98 2011-08-11 00:59:45 <gjs278> I haven't opened bitcoin in ages
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 100 2011-08-11 00:59:51 <EvanR> still
 101 2011-08-11 00:59:53 <EvanR> wtf
 102 2011-08-11 00:59:57 <gjs278> oh well yeah you want your bitcoin to work
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 104 2011-08-11 01:00:02 <gjs278> the gui part
 105 2011-08-11 01:00:05 <EvanR> going back to .21
 106 2011-08-11 01:00:22 <lfm> fff!? .21?! use .24
 107 2011-08-11 01:00:32 <EvanR> i cant
 108 2011-08-11 01:00:38 <lfm> bull!
 109 2011-08-11 01:00:39 <EvanR> read the error message
 110 2011-08-11 01:00:49 <gjs278> yeah that gtk_widget crap is an error due to wxgtk
 111 2011-08-11 01:01:25 <lfm> ya if you have wiped out your datadir then that message wont come back
 112 2011-08-11 01:01:38 <gjs278> he did
 113 2011-08-11 01:01:44 <EvanR> that message came AFTER wiping out the data dir, and continues
 114 2011-08-11 01:01:59 <lfm> gad what distro are you running?
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 116 2011-08-11 01:02:10 <EvanR> slackware
 117 2011-08-11 01:02:39 <lfm> ok you are the first person I have met trying bitcoin on slackwre
 118 2011-08-11 01:02:48 <EvanR> 'trying' lol
 119 2011-08-11 01:02:59 <EvanR> ive been using it for over 9 months now
 120 2011-08-11 01:03:14 <lfm> so what changed that caused this?
 121 2011-08-11 01:03:35 <EvanR> well i upgraded to .21 a couple months ago, there was some hickups
 122 2011-08-11 01:03:45 <EvanR> but things went smoothly until today
 123 2011-08-11 01:03:57 <EvanR> bitcoin gui kept throwing errors and crashing silently
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 125 2011-08-11 01:04:07 <EvanR> until finally that out of memory on start up
 126 2011-08-11 01:04:44 <gjs278> my blockchain would just get stuck
 127 2011-08-11 01:04:50 <EvanR> im running .21 now, 86 connections and growing, 1000 blocks but its been stuck there for a while
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 129 2011-08-11 01:05:13 <lfm> databases got too big for you or something, what does ulimit -m say?
 130 2011-08-11 01:05:14 <EvanR> gjs278: yeah, thats the first thing that happened, it wouldnt go more than 140323 i think
 131 2011-08-11 01:05:29 <gjs278> unlimited here
 132 2011-08-11 01:05:32 <EvanR> lfm: unlimited
 133 2011-08-11 01:05:38 <lfm> ok
 134 2011-08-11 01:06:01 <lfm> ulimit -s
 135 2011-08-11 01:06:14 <EvanR> 8192
 136 2011-08-11 01:06:17 <gjs278> 8192
 137 2011-08-11 01:06:23 <lfm> ulimit -v
 138 2011-08-11 01:06:30 <EvanR> unlimited
 139 2011-08-11 01:06:38 <lfm> ok thats fine
 140 2011-08-11 01:06:54 <EvanR> 117 connections, 1000 blocks...
 141 2011-08-11 01:07:34 <lfm> oh ok you might want to use -maxconnections=50
 142 2011-08-11 01:08:28 <EvanR> i did that
 143 2011-08-11 01:08:42 <EvanR> it started going again
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 145 2011-08-11 01:08:56 <EvanR> now stopped at 1500
 146 2011-08-11 01:09:17 <lfm> ya unless you use 0.3.24 it will stop like that
 147 2011-08-11 01:09:24 <EvanR> ._.
 148 2011-08-11 01:09:28 <EvanR> maybe i should go back to .18
 149 2011-08-11 01:09:33 <lfm> that was a major fix in .24
 150 2011-08-11 01:09:47 <EvanR> ok but a major BREAK in .24 is the wxgtk
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 152 2011-08-11 01:10:06 <EvanR> i guess i asked for this trying to use binary bitcoin
 153 2011-08-11 01:10:06 <lfm> if it is only slackware, its not major
 154 2011-08-11 01:10:17 <gjs278> I was able to get bitcoin working on .24 by compiling it myself against my libs
 155 2011-08-11 01:10:25 <EvanR> thats what ill have to do
 156 2011-08-11 01:10:47 <EvanR> i used 19 for months
 157 2011-08-11 01:10:56 <EvanR> maybe i should go back to that
 158 2011-08-11 01:10:57 <lfm> ya compiling yourself is prolly good idea for a unusual distro like that
 159 2011-08-11 01:11:00 <EvanR> it didnt charge a fee ;)
 160 2011-08-11 01:11:07 <EvanR> slackware is not an unusual distro
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 162 2011-08-11 01:11:19 <EvanR> everything else is unusual
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 164 2011-08-11 01:11:29 <lfm> well like I said you are the only person I ever heard of to try it
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 166 2011-08-11 01:11:47 <EvanR> linux is linux
 167 2011-08-11 01:11:54 <EvanR> developers dont necessarily understand that
 168 2011-08-11 01:11:57 <lfm> and maybe now gjs278
 169 2011-08-11 01:12:02 <gjs278> I'm on gentoo
 170 2011-08-11 01:12:08 <gjs278> the binary is always off
 171 2011-08-11 01:12:16 <lfm> eveusers understand it even lees, yes, i know
 172 2011-08-11 01:12:54 <EvanR> im going to optimize my rant and just blame c++ here
 173 2011-08-11 01:13:11 <lfm> basicly as far as bitcoin is concerned if it aint debian or ubuntu, it is unusual
 174 2011-08-11 01:13:23 <EvanR> thats fucking retarded
 175 2011-08-11 01:13:26 <gjs278> optimize the rant all of the way and blame the crappy makefile
 176 2011-08-11 01:13:27 <lfm> hehe
 177 2011-08-11 01:13:49 <EvanR> uhg, is building going to be a bitch now?
 178 2011-08-11 01:13:59 <EvanR> wheres the alternative client please
 179 2011-08-11 01:14:46 <gjs278> I've broken down and just use bitcoind because I don't even do that many transactions anymore
 180 2011-08-11 01:14:58 <lfm> yup building is generally a bitch
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 186 2011-08-11 01:15:34 <EvanR> git clone https://blaw failed due to SSL certificate mismatch or something
 187 2011-08-11 01:15:39 <EvanR> i removed the s in https and it worked
 188 2011-08-11 01:15:52 <lfm> EvanR: advise you to try to build bitcoind first cuz the gui is the biggest part of the bitch for building it
 189 2011-08-11 01:16:10 <gjs278> yeah here is the initial experience
 190 2011-08-11 01:16:11 <gjs278> ./configure
 191 2011-08-11 01:16:13 <gjs278> not found
 192 2011-08-11 01:16:14 <gjs278> make
 193 2011-08-11 01:16:17 <gjs278> no target
 194 2011-08-11 01:16:24 <lfm> use make bitcoind first
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 196 2011-08-11 01:16:39 <lfm> link makefile.unix to Makefile
 197 2011-08-11 01:17:00 <b4epoche_> or use make -f
 198 2011-08-11 01:17:04 <EvanR> well i do applaud the missing autohell
 199 2011-08-11 01:17:04 <gjs278> make -f makefile.unix bitcoind DEBUGFLAGS="-I/usr/include/db4.8" -j4
 200 2011-08-11 01:17:06 <gjs278> that's my command
 201 2011-08-11 01:17:09 <EvanR> not that i know of a better way
 202 2011-08-11 01:17:18 <gjs278> but only because my db is slotted
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 204 2011-08-11 01:17:40 <EvanR> -j4 ?
 205 2011-08-11 01:17:49 <lfm> ys should read the build-unix.txt file first
 206 2011-08-11 01:17:50 <gjs278> just to multithread it
 207 2011-08-11 01:18:01 <gjs278> best 15 seconds I ever saved
 208 2011-08-11 01:18:02 <b4epoche_> what's the world coming to?  Linux users bitching about compling?
 209 2011-08-11 01:18:10 <gjs278> this project yes
 210 2011-08-11 01:18:13 <EvanR> class Db has no member named exists
 211 2011-08-11 01:18:22 <lfm> ys should read the build-unix.txt file first
 212 2011-08-11 01:19:06 <gjs278> that will just list deps, they don't have any tips beyond that
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 214 2011-08-11 01:19:20 <EvanR> yep
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 216 2011-08-11 01:19:39 <lfm> gjs the deps are the hard part for most people
 217 2011-08-11 01:20:05 <gjs278> the actual hard part for me was changing  -Wl,-Bstatic \
 218 2011-08-11 01:20:07 <gjs278> to  -Wl,-Bdynamic \
 219 2011-08-11 01:20:08 <EvanR> well
 220 2011-08-11 01:20:12 <gjs278> in the makefile
 221 2011-08-11 01:20:21 <EvanR> theres no exists in there but theres Exists
 222 2011-08-11 01:20:26 <EvanR> maybe thats the problem
 223 2011-08-11 01:20:35 <EvanR> maybe i should checkout an actual version number
 224 2011-08-11 01:20:45 <lfm> Ya, I just took out all the -Wl,static lines
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 226 2011-08-11 01:21:13 <EvanR> nvm
 227 2011-08-11 01:22:41 * EvanR scratches head at implementation code in the headers...
 228 2011-08-11 01:22:58 <lfm> the wonders of c++
 229 2011-08-11 01:23:12 <EvanR> but its not even necessary hre
 230 2011-08-11 01:23:31 <lfm> dont ask why
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 232 2011-08-11 01:24:45 <EvanR> k
 233 2011-08-11 01:24:57 <EvanR> so i think im running into the same issue as gjs278 with regard to db_cxx.h ?
 234 2011-08-11 01:25:07 <EvanR> vim /usr/include/db_cxx.h
 235 2011-08-11 01:25:09 <EvanR> oops
 236 2011-08-11 01:25:16 <EvanR> wait how did that even tab complete O_o
 237 2011-08-11 01:25:18 <lfm> where is bdb libs and headers?
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 241 2011-08-11 01:27:17 <EvanR> i have db4 db42 and db44 dirs in /usr/include
 242 2011-08-11 01:27:25 <upb> wow, indeed irssi tab completes files :)
 243 2011-08-11 01:27:37 <EvanR> thats pretty dangerous
 244 2011-08-11 01:27:38 <upb> or not hmm
 245 2011-08-11 01:27:50 <upb> test /usr/include/
 246 2011-08-11 01:27:51 <upb> heh
 247 2011-08-11 01:27:57 <EvanR> what if i expose the path to my secret stash of porn
 248 2011-08-11 01:28:46 <upb> x /srv/s/DIVX/pron/
 249 2011-08-11 01:28:47 <lfm> you want  libdb4.7++-dev
 250 2011-08-11 01:28:47 <EvanR> lfm: it finds the db headers, but it seems to assume a field exists that doesnt
 251 2011-08-11 01:29:13 <lfm> I told you to read the build-unix.txt
 252 2011-08-11 01:29:24 * EvanR tries .19 ;)
 253 2011-08-11 01:29:45 <lfm> I think even for .19 you want bdb 4.7
 254 2011-08-11 01:29:50 <EvanR> there it goes
 255 2011-08-11 01:30:01 <EvanR> or not, got to 2000
 256 2011-08-11 01:30:23 <EvanR> if i run .24 server, how do i check on the blocks
 257 2011-08-11 01:30:33 <b4epoche_> BlueMatt still got his block chain repo up?
 258 2011-08-11 01:31:21 <lfm> bitcoin checks the blocks for you no matter what version you run
 259 2011-08-11 01:32:09 <EvanR> apparently not
 260 2011-08-11 01:32:09 <gjs278> his upload is so slow that it's basically the same thing
 261 2011-08-11 01:32:15 <gjs278> as downloading the chain normally
 262 2011-08-11 01:32:24 <EvanR> but i meant monitor its progress
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 264 2011-08-11 01:32:33 <b4epoche_> upload?
 265 2011-08-11 01:32:40 <lfm> ./bitcoind getinfo
 266 2011-08-11 01:33:11 <gjs278> I'm referring to his blockchain snapshots that he offers for download
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 268 2011-08-11 01:33:30 <EvanR> i have just spent 10 minutes struggling with bitcoin.conf
 269 2011-08-11 01:33:35 <gjs278> yeah
 270 2011-08-11 01:33:35 <EvanR> basically, tonight is lost for me
 271 2011-08-11 01:33:42 <gjs278> set rpc user and pass to something random
 272 2011-08-11 01:33:47 <gjs278> and then it's off
 273 2011-08-11 01:33:57 <EvanR> id like to set it
 274 2011-08-11 01:34:01 <EvanR> but its owner read only
 275 2011-08-11 01:34:03 <EvanR> motherfuck
 276 2011-08-11 01:34:28 <EvanR> im getting too old for this shit (tm)
 277 2011-08-11 01:34:35 <lfm> yes, that is good security
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 279 2011-08-11 01:34:38 <b4epoche_> ugh!
 280 2011-08-11 01:34:58 <b4epoche_> I'm sure I'm older than you but:  lrn2sudo
 281 2011-08-11 01:35:25 <EvanR> youre only as old as you feel
 282 2011-08-11 01:35:49 <lfm> it might be your user causes that problem running the gui. X is owned by the login user
 283 2011-08-11 01:35:58 <upb> heh, how is owner read only good security really ?
 284 2011-08-11 01:36:21 <EvanR> security through frustration
 285 2011-08-11 01:36:25 <lfm> its got a apssword it in, you spozed to make anyone read it?
 286 2011-08-11 01:36:35 <gjs278> well if it's readonly they can just read the pass
 287 2011-08-11 01:36:43 <EvanR> yeah its 444
 288 2011-08-11 01:36:49 <EvanR> not really secure
 289 2011-08-11 01:36:57 <lfm> ok, thats not good
 290 2011-08-11 01:37:15 <gjs278> if they are close enough to read your json password, they are sitting in the same dir as the wallet.dat
 291 2011-08-11 01:37:17 <lfm> spozed to be 600
 292 2011-08-11 01:37:46 <EvanR> i thought it said read only
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 294 2011-08-11 01:37:58 <upb> ah i meant owner read only vs owner read write
 295 2011-08-11 01:38:30 <lfm> the .bitcoin is 700 anyway
 296 2011-08-11 01:39:11 <EvanR> well
 297 2011-08-11 01:39:14 <EvanR> im running bitcoind
 298 2011-08-11 01:39:19 <EvanR> and its stuck at block 2500
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 300 2011-08-11 01:39:39 <lfm> is it truly stuck or just pausing?
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 302 2011-08-11 01:39:57 <EvanR> no way to tell, empirically
 303 2011-08-11 01:40:01 <EvanR> could be pausing forever
 304 2011-08-11 01:40:18 <upb> strace it
 305 2011-08-11 01:40:23 <lfm> well if it "pauses" for more than 30 min let us know
 306 2011-08-11 01:40:29 <EvanR> alright
 307 2011-08-11 01:40:47 <lfm> and watch the #connections too
 308 2011-08-11 01:40:54 <b4epoche_> or just look at network activity, or the stinkin' log file
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 312 2011-08-11 01:41:25 <EvanR> how do i check network activity
 313 2011-08-11 01:41:40 <lfm> dont you have der blinkenlites?
 314 2011-08-11 01:41:47 <EvanR> wat?
 315 2011-08-11 01:41:49 <b4epoche_> switch to OSX and use Activity Monitor, i.e. I got no clue for you
 316 2011-08-11 01:42:11 <b4epoche_> but the log file should be 'active'
 317 2011-08-11 01:42:15 <EvanR> ok
 318 2011-08-11 01:42:23 <EvanR> connections increasing
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 320 2011-08-11 01:42:41 <lfm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkenlights
 321 2011-08-11 01:42:59 <EvanR> debug.log is producing many received attr
 322 2011-08-11 01:43:08 <lfm> addr?
 323 2011-08-11 01:43:13 <EvanR> addr
 324 2011-08-11 01:43:29 <lfm> yup thats normal
 325 2011-08-11 01:43:38 <EvanR> and some Error: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed
 326 2011-08-11 01:44:27 <lfm> hmm, perhaps you have not connected to any 0.3.24 nodes
 327 2011-08-11 01:44:42 <EvanR> if not then whats the point of .24
 328 2011-08-11 01:44:54 <b4epoche_> the problem is because people are still running old nodes…  eh, like EvanR
 329 2011-08-11 01:45:18 <gjs278> debug.log is  travesty
 330 2011-08-11 01:45:20 <EvanR> actually i just shut down my miners
 331 2011-08-11 01:45:24 <EvanR> and i was using phoenix
 332 2011-08-11 01:46:13 <b4epoche_> 0.3.24 <-good-> 0.3.24
 333 2011-08-11 01:46:52 <EvanR> version message: version 32400, blocks=140473
 334 2011-08-11 01:46:53 <upb> you mean any version 0.3.24 < n < 0.3.24 is good ?:P
 335 2011-08-11 01:47:04 <upb> ohhh
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 370 2011-08-11 03:06:58 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r72173ff / src/db.cpp : Merge pull request #460 from jgarzik/make-tuple ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/72173ffaca10a8370921b9f64668df142ba818ab
 371 2011-08-11 03:07:21 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rc648b58 / (src/main.cpp src/net.h): Merge pull request #459 from jgarzik/char-msgstart ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/c648b589bec6494551d300b335af88d6b194cf82
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 390 2011-08-11 03:38:51 <sacarlson> anyone know a way to get rid of these defunct python process that seem to acumulate  6803 pts/6    00:00:29 python <defunct> ?
 391 2011-08-11 03:39:36 <tcatm> init 6
 392 2011-08-11 03:39:41 <JFK911> ^
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 394 2011-08-11 03:40:32 <tcatm> or wait until it's parent dies and init takes care of it
 395 2011-08-11 03:40:58 <sacarlson> tcatm: init 6 what is that like reboot?
 396 2011-08-11 03:41:20 <tcatm> yes
 397 2011-08-11 03:42:02 <tcatm> that python process is a zombie. it's just an entry in the process table
 398 2011-08-11 03:42:31 <sacarlson> tcatm: ok and it's not using mem?
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 400 2011-08-11 03:43:46 <tcatm> from wiki: "When a process ends, all of the memory and resources associated with it are deallocated so they can be used by other processes. However, the process's entry in the process table remains."
 401 2011-08-11 03:44:21 <sacarlson>  I'm already short on memory with 2Gb,  ok good enuf then
 402 2011-08-11 03:44:27 <upb> iirc whatever is spawning those childs isnt handling sigchld correctly
 403 2011-08-11 03:44:55 <upb> so check your code :)
 404 2011-08-11 03:45:27 <sacarlson> upb: I may not be shuting it down correctly or your right might be a code problem
 405 2011-08-11 03:45:50 <tcatm> it's the parent's fault
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 431 2011-08-11 04:21:28 * jgarzik blinks
 432 2011-08-11 04:23:41 <lolwat`> luke-jr, you process script TX right?  What exactly did you change? Just remove IsStandard?  Do you know any other pools that do the same?
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 434 2011-08-11 04:24:21 <luke-jr> lolwat`: correct, and no
 435 2011-08-11 04:24:25 <luke-jr> jgarzik: wb = welcome back
 436 2011-08-11 04:24:28 <luke-jr> jgarzik: we missed you
 437 2011-08-11 04:24:49 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yeah, know what it means.  Was wondering what I'd missed :)
 438 2011-08-11 04:24:50 <lolwat`> how often do you find blocks?
 439 2011-08-11 04:25:06 <luke-jr> jgarzik: nothing, the channel just isn't the same without you ;)
 440 2011-08-11 04:25:13 <luke-jr> lolwat`: http://eligius.st/~artefact2/
 441 2011-08-11 04:25:25 <lolwat`> though I guess it would be dangerous to offer a service that depends on a single pool's behavior
 442 2011-08-11 04:25:26 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius,calc
 443 2011-08-11 04:25:26 <gribble> Error: "bc,eligius,calc" is not a valid command.
 444 2011-08-11 04:25:35 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
 445 2011-08-11 04:25:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 479447199.252 Khps, given current difficulty of 1888786.7053531 , is 4 hours, 42 minutes, and 0 seconds
 446 2011-08-11 04:25:58 <luke-jr> lolwat`: perhaps we could setup an arrangement ;)
 447 2011-08-11 04:26:23 <lolwat`> ?
 448 2011-08-11 04:27:08 <luke-jr> dunno what you're doing ;P
 449 2011-08-11 04:27:28 <lolwat`> seems doing any business with nLockTime/escrow contracts is dangerous because if the more complicated TX doesn't get into a block, the default "return to sender" will become available and be accepted
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 452 2011-08-11 04:30:31 <lolwat`> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25786.0
 453 2011-08-11 04:30:39 <lolwat`> I want to build something to do that
 454 2011-08-11 04:30:48 <lolwat`> would allow secure instant TX
 455 2011-08-11 04:30:59 <lolwat`> but totally impossible without locktime/multisig tx
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 554 2011-08-11 08:18:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 140507 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 612 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 12 hours, 27 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1842925.44717341
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 641 2011-08-11 11:25:59 <tcatm> mrb_: yes
 642 2011-08-11 11:26:19 <diki> can pushpoold be hooked to another pool?
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 644 2011-08-11 11:26:39 <diki> so i can redirect some mining power i may have to the pooL?
 645 2011-08-11 11:28:11 <diki> when i say to THE pool what i meant was to A pool
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 658 2011-08-11 11:35:31 <Giel> tcatm: is there any reason why loads of non-template code resides in header files instead of compilation units?
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 661 2011-08-11 11:35:55 <Giel> because just moving all of that non-template code from headers to implementation files speeds up compilation a *lot*
 662 2011-08-11 11:36:28 <Giel> (heck, using GCC the generated code is even smaller that way, using LLVM with -O4 it makes little difference)
 663 2011-08-11 11:36:35 <edcba> i still don't know why ppl insist in putting code into headers
 664 2011-08-11 11:37:08 <tcatm> Giel: satoshi did that and nobody changed it and as patches that move a lot of code are hard review we didn't do that yet
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 669 2011-08-11 11:39:01 <ThomasV> is it possible to compile bitcoin without the ui ?
 670 2011-08-11 11:39:21 <Giel> ThomasV: 'make -C src -f makefile.unix bitcoind'
 671 2011-08-11 11:39:28 <Giel> i.e. the 'bitcoind' target doesn't include the UI
 672 2011-08-11 11:39:33 <ThomasV> ok
 673 2011-08-11 11:40:06 <Giel> tcatm: code-moving patches may be hard to review, but moving of code itself should be easy enough that someone with direct pull access should be able to do it...
 674 2011-08-11 11:40:14 <Giel> s/pull/push/;
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 676 2011-08-11 11:40:40 <Giel> unless you want every single modification to the repository to go through a review process (is that the case?)
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 680 2011-08-11 11:44:20 <tcatm> Giel: not really, but everything goes through pull requests so other devs can look at the code before it is merged
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 682 2011-08-11 11:47:35 <Giel> tcatm: the problem is that right now most of the code is such an utter mess that non-cleanup development/maintenance is next to impossible
 683 2011-08-11 11:48:16 <Giel> but a lot of code can only be cleaned up by moving it around in one way or another
 684 2011-08-11 11:50:07 <edcba> fork
 685 2011-08-11 11:50:32 <tcatm> Giel: I think there was some discussion on the mailing list about that
 686 2011-08-11 11:51:22 <Plasma-> fork to refactor? surely you jest (think of the merge! hehe)
 687 2011-08-11 11:51:31 <tcatm> It might get merged if you re-organize small files and at the same time add tests
 688 2011-08-11 11:52:36 <Giel> tcatm: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net ?
 689 2011-08-11 11:53:25 <tcatm> Giel: yes
 690 2011-08-11 11:54:19 <Giel> which small files? aside from a few dummy-like headers most files are at least 2000 lines long...
 691 2011-08-11 11:55:41 <neofutur> fyi real time mtgox quotes are now working on #mtgox-RT , more or less 5 seconds delay
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 693 2011-08-11 11:57:41 <vragnaroda> win 20
 694 2011-08-11 11:57:44 <vragnaroda> dammit
 695 2011-08-11 11:59:14 <phedny_> vragnaroda: try http://pthree.org/2007/07/18/irssi-windows-1-throuh-80/
 696 2011-08-11 12:00:07 <phedny_> and from my point of view, #bitcoin-dev *is* window 20 ;)
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 698 2011-08-11 12:03:04 <vragnaroda> phedny_: from my POV, #bitcoin-dev is window 147 so that doesn't really help that much
 699 2011-08-11 12:03:25 <phedny_> owh, well.. good luck with that :D
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 702 2011-08-11 12:05:19 <vragnaroda> phedny_: also, i did something similar to that, but i just reset it to the defaults because i switched keyboard layouts
 703 2011-08-11 12:06:07 <ThomasV> Giel: is miniupnp needed ? the Makefile has USE_UPNP:=0, but it still complains about lacking headers
 704 2011-08-11 12:06:44 <Giel> ThomasV: that's a bug in the way the makefile's written
 705 2011-08-11 12:07:26 <ThomasV> Giel: so, does it mean that I need to install miniupnp ?
 706 2011-08-11 12:07:32 <xelister> bitomat.pl (that lost 17000 BTC) is taken over by mtgox.com ... woot? :)
 707 2011-08-11 12:07:59 <edcba> seems that mtgox is earning some money
 708 2011-08-11 12:08:32 <Giel> ThomasV: or a bug in the source, depending on how you look at it; I'll whip up a quick patch to fix it..
 709 2011-08-11 12:09:15 <ThomasV> Giel: ok, thanks, but you did not answer my question
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 712 2011-08-11 12:12:30 <Giel> ThomasV: no, you don't need to install miniupnp
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 714 2011-08-11 12:13:05 <ThomasV> ok, so I'll wait for your patch
 715 2011-08-11 12:14:12 <Giel> ThomasV: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/461
 716 2011-08-11 12:14:26 <ThomasV> ty
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 718 2011-08-11 12:21:02 <xelister> how precise is bitcoin, how should it be stored in db? float? int of btc÷10^8 ?
 719 2011-08-11 12:21:04 <xelister> ×
 720 2011-08-11 12:21:21 <mtrlt^> uint64
 721 2011-08-11 12:21:50 <mtrlt^> you already seem to know how precise it is, but...
 722 2011-08-11 12:22:03 <mtrlt^> btc can be divided up to 10^-8
 723 2011-08-11 12:23:13 <phantomcircuit> 21000000.00000000
 724 2011-08-11 12:23:15 <ThomasV> Giel: fatal: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/461/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
 725 2011-08-11 12:23:25 <phantomcircuit> NUMERIC(16,8)
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 727 2011-08-11 12:24:17 <ThomasV> Giel: or perhaps I am doing it wrong.. I did "git pull" on your url
 728 2011-08-11 12:24:19 <vegard> xelister: never store money as float
 729 2011-08-11 12:24:47 <xelister> vegard: thats what I thought, yea
 730 2011-08-11 12:25:05 <xelister> so 10^-8
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 734 2011-08-11 12:32:01 <Giel> ThomasV: you'll want to pull from git://github.com/muggenhor/bitcoin.git
 735 2011-08-11 12:32:20 <ThomasV> oh ok
 736 2011-08-11 12:32:30 <Giel> ThomasV: that previous URL was a webpage containing a reference to the pull url and branch
 737 2011-08-11 12:32:43 <Giel> ThomasV: the use-upnp-preprocessor-fix branch
 738 2011-08-11 12:32:51 <phedny_> I noticed VerifySignature() is only called from main.cpp and the nHashType argument is not used .. does this mean that what has been documented at the Contracts wiki page is not working (yet)?
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 740 2011-08-11 12:33:52 <edcba> if you trust something trust code over wiki...
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 742 2011-08-11 12:34:52 <phedny_> edcba: code above anything, but I'm new to the source code and I was just hoping someone that already knows the state of those things could possibly save me a lot of time ;)
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 749 2011-08-11 13:01:35 <Giel> argh, what idiot designed BitCoin's protocol: "Almost all integers are encoded in little endian. Only IP or port number are encoded big endian."
 750 2011-08-11 13:02:00 <Giel> as if little endian isn't bad enough to transfer across a wire: lets use *mixed* endian...
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 752 2011-08-11 13:03:38 <vegard> why is little endian bad on a wire?
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 754 2011-08-11 13:04:39 <mtrlt> network byte order is big endian
 755 2011-08-11 13:04:49 <Giel> vegard: what mtrlt said
 756 2011-08-11 13:04:59 <Giel> but mixed endian is most definitely worse
 757 2011-08-11 13:05:04 <mtrlt> yes.
 758 2011-08-11 13:05:15 <vegard> as long as it's documented...
 759 2011-08-11 13:05:23 <mtrlt> no
 760 2011-08-11 13:05:32 <mtrlt> it is worse, no matter if it's documented or not
 761 2011-08-11 13:05:35 <Giel> just about every binary network protocol that's formally specified uses big endian; making the use of little endian very confusing...
 762 2011-08-11 13:06:05 <vegard> it should be a small problem.
 763 2011-08-11 13:06:06 <Giel> it would be even worse if it wasn't documented sure, being documented doesn't make it better though...
 764 2011-08-11 13:06:41 <ThomasV> compiling bitcoind on a vps takes ages...
 765 2011-08-11 13:07:42 <Giel> ThomasV: try precompiling the headers
 766 2011-08-11 13:08:01 <Giel> if you're using GCC most of the time is spent preprocessing
 767 2011-08-11 13:08:07 <ThomasV> Giel: how do I do that ?
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 769 2011-08-11 13:09:31 <Giel> ThomasV: create a single header that #include's all others, #include that header from all sources (before any other #includes)
 770 2011-08-11 13:10:12 <ThomasV> oh but that's complicated :-)
 771 2011-08-11 13:10:31 <Giel> then simply compile that header with the same options as any other compilation unit, that'll create a .gch which gcc will use instead when doing the actual compiling
 772 2011-08-11 13:10:41 <ThomasV> I see
 773 2011-08-11 13:11:32 <sacarlson> phedny_: I assume you've already seen this https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/319  it's already incorporated and tested in MultiCoin
 774 2011-08-11 13:14:04 <phedny_> sacarlson: haven't seen it.. but it doesn't seem to change main.cpp to set the nHashType argument to VerifyScript()
 775 2011-08-11 13:15:14 <sacarlson> phedny_: I guess not but I saw your interest in contracts so just thought it might be of some use
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 777 2011-08-11 13:16:10 <sacarlson> phedny_: I was reading some of your links about the posibility of secure transactions offline?
 778 2011-08-11 13:17:34 <sacarlson> phedny_: oh I think that was someone else
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 781 2011-08-11 13:21:11 <phedny_> sacarlson: yeah, must have been someone else .. this code looks interesting by the way :)
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 783 2011-08-11 13:23:16 <phedny_> by the way, is it the case that transactions that don't pass IsStandard() are not relayed or incorporated into a block?
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 788 2011-08-11 13:37:36 <sacarlson> phedny_: I was told it's a mining thing, the miner must accept isStandard() or I guess nonstandard transactions to use escrow multisign
 789 2011-08-11 13:38:16 <sacarlson> phedny_: the beertokens chain accepts them
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 820 2011-08-11 14:39:24 <Giel> ThomasV: AFAIK the makefile can stay as it is
 821 2011-08-11 14:39:41 <ThomasV> Giel: I PM'd you the patch
 822 2011-08-11 14:40:12 <ThomasV> just replaced ifdef with ifeq
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 838 2011-08-11 15:13:49 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gend 308000000 256
 839 2011-08-11 15:13:49 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 308000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 256, is 1210137.27039 BTC per day and 50422.3862663 BTC per hour.
 840 2011-08-11 15:20:01 <jrmithdobbs> is blockchain storage mechanism up for discussion at all? this single huge flat file thing sucks
 841 2011-08-11 15:20:20 <jrmithdobbs> my incremental backups have a GB or more on each run because of that
 842 2011-08-11 15:20:36 <jrmithdobbs> quite annoying
 843 2011-08-11 15:22:04 <Giel> jrmithdobbs: AFAIK it stores them in BDB, I suppose that could be swapped out for some other database easy enough
 844 2011-08-11 15:22:29 <copumpkin> most databases aren't terribly incremental backup-friendly though
 845 2011-08-11 15:22:57 <Caesium> but the old stuff *never* changes so splitting it into a few files would make it less painful
 846 2011-08-11 15:23:01 <copumpkin> jrmithdobbs: why even back up the blockchain?
 847 2011-08-11 15:23:02 <makomk> Wow - someone did actually manage to use the block chain checkpointing code for something evil.
 848 2011-08-11 15:23:19 <copumpkin> I guess it takes a while to reacquire
 849 2011-08-11 15:23:35 <jrmithdobbs> copumpkin: because it can take weeks to get good downloads still since people aren't upgrading to .24
 850 2011-08-11 15:23:43 <jrmithdobbs> Giel: the blockchain is a flat file, not bdb
 851 2011-08-11 15:23:47 <Caesium> more hassle to set up exclusions for everything than it is to just leave it in and have the bakcup takea bit longer
 852 2011-08-11 15:24:12 <jrmithdobbs> ya i think the current split at 1GB is too big is basically what I'm getting at
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 854 2011-08-11 15:24:26 <copumpkin> jrmithdobbs: do the clients check for updates? I wasn't even aware a new version was out which is why I'm still on .23
 855 2011-08-11 15:24:29 <copumpkin> downloading the new one now
 856 2011-08-11 15:24:41 <copumpkin> (the new clients, that is)
 857 2011-08-11 15:24:58 <jrmithdobbs> copumpkin: no, they don't, TD keeps preaching about needs an alerts-like system for notifying of updates ;p
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 859 2011-08-11 15:25:05 <copumpkin> ah :)
 860 2011-08-11 15:25:06 <jrmithdobbs> copumpkin: and he's right, we need it ;p
 861 2011-08-11 15:25:09 <copumpkin> yeah, it seems beneficial
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 863 2011-08-11 15:25:24 <jrmithdobbs> copumpkin: <=.23 actually harm the network because they basically can't send the blockchain
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 872 2011-08-11 15:42:49 <mrb_> tcatm: bitcoinwatch.com incorrectly computes the network's equivalent PFLOPS
 873 2011-08-11 15:45:08 <mrb_> imo, it should assume that most of the computer power is provided by radeon gpus, with which 1 Mhash/s =~ 7200 MFLOPS (hd 6990: 710 Mhash/s and 5100000 MFLOPS)
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 875 2011-08-11 15:45:54 <mrb_> so the network's 13.41 Thash/s is about 97 PFLOPS
 876 2011-08-11 15:46:40 <mrb_> and document somewhere that these are single precision FLOPS
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 878 2011-08-11 15:48:22 <mrb_> assuming the hd 6000 series: 97 single precision FLOPS = 24 double precision FLOPS
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 882 2011-08-11 15:54:44 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gend 308000000 4096
 883 2011-08-11 15:54:45 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 308000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 4096, is 75633.5793994 BTC per day and 3151.39914164 BTC per hour.
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 885 2011-08-11 15:55:13 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 308000000 4096
 886 2011-08-11 15:55:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 308000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 4096, is 57 seconds
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 888 2011-08-11 15:55:40 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 308000000 1024
 889 2011-08-11 15:55:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 308000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1024, is 14 seconds
 890 2011-08-11 15:56:21 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 308000 1024
 891 2011-08-11 15:56:22 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 308000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1024, is 3 hours, 57 minutes, and 59 seconds
 892 2011-08-11 15:59:01 <cypherpunk01> ;;bc,calcd 1000 1024
 893 2011-08-11 15:59:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1024, is 7 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 40 minutes, and 46 seconds
 894 2011-08-11 15:59:14 <cypherpunk01> lame
 895 2011-08-11 15:59:34 <phantomcircuit> why is bnProofOfWorkLimit defined as 0f00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ... when the max target is 0x1d00ffffff or 0x00 00 00 00 ff ff ff 00 00 00 00 ...?
 896 2011-08-11 16:02:15 <SomeoneWeird> guys what exactly does pushpool do?
 897 2011-08-11 16:02:26 <luke-jr> pushes the pool over
 898 2011-08-11 16:02:29 <luke-jr> duh
 899 2011-08-11 16:02:31 <SomeoneWeird> like whats the advantage over connecting directly to bitcoind
 900 2011-08-11 16:02:37 <luke-jr> it works
 901 2011-08-11 16:02:45 <SomeoneWeird> -.-
 902 2011-08-11 16:02:52 * SomeoneWeird muted luke-jr
 903 2011-08-11 16:02:57 <luke-jr> fail
 904 2011-08-11 16:03:00 <SomeoneWeird> anyone else ? ^-^
 905 2011-08-11 16:03:02 <SomeoneWeird> lol
 906 2011-08-11 16:03:07 <SomeoneWeird> im kidding, but it was a serious question
 907 2011-08-11 16:03:27 <luke-jr> SomeoneWeird: all you have to do is try using bitcoind and you'll see
 908 2011-08-11 16:03:46 <luke-jr> (if you don't, by all means use it…)
 909 2011-08-11 16:04:02 <SomeoneWeird> i dont wanna try, i just wanna do what pushpool does
 910 2011-08-11 16:04:10 <luke-jr> it proxies requests to bitcoind
 911 2011-08-11 16:05:00 <SomeoneWeird> anything else?
 912 2011-08-11 16:05:27 <luke-jr> depends on how you configure it
 913 2011-08-11 16:05:39 <luke-jr> if you use a modified bitcoind, or blkmond, it adds longpolling
 914 2011-08-11 16:05:43 <luke-jr> you can enable rollntime
 915 2011-08-11 16:05:52 <luke-jr> it can rewrite the target and log shares
 916 2011-08-11 16:06:24 <SomeoneWeird> yeh, thanks
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 931 2011-08-11 16:26:15 <ImRoot702> is there a roadmap for the bitcoin client that lists features/patches/etc and when they are expected to be released?
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 935 2011-08-11 16:30:59 <luke-jr> ImRoot702: gavinandresen made one on the ML
 936 2011-08-11 16:31:11 <ImRoot702> ML?
 937 2011-08-11 16:31:17 <gavinandresen> made one what?
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 940 2011-08-11 16:31:49 <SomeoneWeird> lol
 941 2011-08-11 16:31:55 <ImRoot702> gavinandresen, asking if there is a posted roadmap to the bitcoin client
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 943 2011-08-11 16:33:34 <tcatm> mrb_: ping
 944 2011-08-11 16:33:54 <gavinandresen> ImRoot702: http://tinyurl.com/3dmadd3
 945 2011-08-11 16:34:14 <ImRoot702> bligity blam. thank you man.
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 949 2011-08-11 16:41:49 <ImRoot702> gavinandresen, so the .0.4 release is generally expected around the october/november timeframe?
 950 2011-08-11 16:43:32 <gavinandresen> I'd like to get it out sooner, if possible.
 951 2011-08-11 16:44:32 <tcatm> mrb_: the calculation is based on this forum post: http://bitcointalk.org/?topic=4689.msg68933#msg68933
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 953 2011-08-11 16:47:59 <ImRoot702> gavinandresen, awesome... and the sipa import/export is def going to be a part of that?
 954 2011-08-11 16:49:08 <gavinandresen> ImRoot702: No, I proposed that 0.4 be wallet encryption release, and release-after-0.4 have wallet import/export.
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 956 2011-08-11 16:49:19 <gavinandresen> (because I want to get wallet encryption out sooner rather than later)
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 958 2011-08-11 16:50:07 <mrb_> tcatm: ArtForz's numbers are for x86 (6350 ops per hash), not amd gpus (with which it takes only 3800 ops per hash)
 959 2011-08-11 16:50:31 <ImRoot702> :/ understood... however, being able to make long-term storable paper copies of keys (offline) seems more secure than an encrypted wallet (to me)
 960 2011-08-11 16:51:01 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: import/export has been ready for a long time afaik
 961 2011-08-11 16:51:06 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: no reason it couldn't be sooner IMO
 962 2011-08-11 16:51:29 <luke-jr> ImRoot702: indeed, wallet encryption is mainly a PR thing
 963 2011-08-11 16:51:40 <luke-jr> it doesn't REALLY improve security much
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 965 2011-08-11 16:52:16 <mrb_> tcatm: anyway, no need for this fancy math, we know that 1 HD 6990 at standard clock = 710 Mhash/s (per benchmarks) = 5100 GFLOPS (per official specs)
 966 2011-08-11 16:52:45 <mrb_> so base your computations on this
 967 2011-08-11 16:53:30 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: did you see sipa's reply RE: dump/import wallet/keys?  "It does require testing though..."
 968 2011-08-11 16:53:55 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: afaik people have been testing it for months
 969 2011-08-11 16:54:02 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: including every Bitbill user
 970 2011-08-11 16:54:15 <gavinandresen> I'm a BitBill user and I haven't tested it.
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 975 2011-08-11 17:00:35 <luke-jr> ok, every Bitbill user who has actually deposited their Bitbill..
 976 2011-08-11 17:00:44 <gavinandresen> Apologies in advance, I'm super-cranky today (I'm still suffering in australian-jet-lag-hell).  RE: testing :   I'd really like to go beyond ad-hoc "works for me" testing...
 977 2011-08-11 17:04:29 <b4epoche> gavinandresen:  like some 'real' unit testing frameworks?
 978 2011-08-11 17:05:35 <gavinandresen> b4epoche: I was thinking of a dedicated bitcoin QA person who gets a salary to put together test plans, runs them by the developer(s), and then runs the tests.
 979 2011-08-11 17:05:59 <b4epoche> ah, even better
 980 2011-08-11 17:06:11 <gavinandresen> ... but more unit tests would be good, too.  I've been working on a cross-implementation at-the-network-level test framework.
 981 2011-08-11 17:06:17 <makomk> luke-jr: technically you can redeem bitbills without using sipa's code, in theory.
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 983 2011-08-11 17:07:03 <gavinandresen> makomk: jackjack's pywallet can do that, right?
 984 2011-08-11 17:07:38 * b4epoche has a real job and passes on the being considered for the QA person ;-)
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 986 2011-08-11 17:08:45 <b4epoche> gavinandresen:  my issue with unit testing is that I've never really done it officially (yea, I'm not qualified for the QA job either) and I'm not really sure if there's more to it than there seems
 987 2011-08-11 17:09:35 <b4epoche> i.e. take a function pass in a bunch of random stuff, get a bunch of random stuff out…  pass in same random stuff to new function and see if you get same random stuff out?
 988 2011-08-11 17:09:48 <tcatm> mrb_: that would assume that all mining is done with CPUs which is incorrect, too
 989 2011-08-11 17:10:30 <gavinandresen> b4epoche: ummm... read a good unit testing book?  (were you here when I said I was super-cranky today?)
 990 2011-08-11 17:10:57 <b4epoche> like I said, I have a real job, that is not developing software
 991 2011-08-11 17:11:08 <b4epoche> I read books on physics
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 993 2011-08-11 17:11:46 <gavinandresen> (super-cranky Gavin trys to resist... fails...)  So if you have a real job why are you hanging out in bitcoin-dev?
 994 2011-08-11 17:12:16 <makomk> gavinandresen: not sure if it needs an additional tool as well, but pywallet ought to be able to yeah..
 995 2011-08-11 17:12:29 <b4epoche> because I have time for a hobby (especially in the summer)
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1001 2011-08-11 17:22:18 <Giel> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/457
1002 2011-08-11 17:22:34 <Giel> could you have a looksie at my comment and give your opinion again?
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1007 2011-08-11 17:24:22 <luke-jr> Giel: you only need one socket for dual stack
1008 2011-08-11 17:24:59 <Giel> luke-jr: not on Windows and NetBSD
1009 2011-08-11 17:25:09 <Giel> or OpenBSD, not sure, I always mix those two up
1010 2011-08-11 17:25:12 <luke-jr> lame
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1014 2011-08-11 17:25:34 <luke-jr> (also note I have a 100% working semi-multi-threaded JSON-RPC
1015 2011-08-11 17:26:11 <Giel> luke-jr: look at line 2324, I already try to use a single socket when possible
1016 2011-08-11 17:26:38 <Giel> luke-jr: as a pull req? url?
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1019 2011-08-11 17:27:44 <luke-jr> Giel: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/w/bitcoind/luke-jr.git/shortlog/refs/heads/threaded_rpc
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1022 2011-08-11 17:28:16 <Giel> luke-jr: I was thinking of making all RPC I/O async by using async_read_until() to fetch, then process the header...
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1026 2011-08-11 17:28:43 <luke-jr> Giel: I need true multi-threading.
1027 2011-08-11 17:28:56 <luke-jr> my RPC calls are recursive
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1031 2011-08-11 17:29:50 <Giel> luke-jr: you use synchronous I/O ?
1032 2011-08-11 17:29:58 <luke-jr> I think so
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1034 2011-08-11 17:30:18 <Giel> synchronous = blocking
1035 2011-08-11 17:30:24 <luke-jr> blocking a single thread
1036 2011-08-11 17:31:21 <Giel> so you need one thread per connection?
1037 2011-08-11 17:31:27 <luke-jr> my getwork popens another process, which makes RPC calls itself
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1039 2011-08-11 17:32:54 <luke-jr> (see http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/w/bitcoind/luke-jr.git/shortlog/refs/heads/coinbaser for details on that)
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1076 2011-08-11 17:33:17 <Giel> argh!
1077 2011-08-11 17:33:33 <Giel> why would you popen() ?
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1083 2011-08-11 17:34:18 <luke-jr> Giel: easy, works
1084 2011-08-11 17:34:41 <Giel> well a function call should work even better...
1085 2011-08-11 17:34:53 <luke-jr> then I'd have to write it in C, and restart bitcoind to change it
1086 2011-08-11 17:35:07 <Giel> once you need to popen() just to call a function you're design is worse than horrible
1087 2011-08-11 17:35:07 <luke-jr> this way, I have it implemented in Python, and can change it on a whim
1088 2011-08-11 17:35:38 <Giel> so you popen() a python script from bitcoind ?
1089 2011-08-11 17:35:41 <luke-jr> yes
1090 2011-08-11 17:36:38 <Giel> I suppose that's a good way to create a prototype, don't think it'll do well for a final implementation though
1091 2011-08-11 17:36:51 <luke-jr> there is no one-size-fits-all coinbaser
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1093 2011-08-11 17:37:53 <luke-jr> I actually have a few more commits in my local coinbaser branch
1094 2011-08-11 17:38:00 <luke-jr> to use a TCP socket instead, for example
1095 2011-08-11 17:38:16 <luke-jr> but popen hasn't been a bottleneck, so I haven't bothered with it
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1098 2011-08-11 17:40:00 <Giel> popen() does fork(), and more importantly execve(), that last one invokes the dynamic linker which can cost quite a *lot* in performance
1099 2011-08-11 17:40:15 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r498a2c9 / (29 files): Merge pull request #458 from TheBlueMatt/copyright ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/498a2c9b162dd5e7281e80e364eb82f3e2b333cb
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1103 2011-08-11 17:42:12 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib: Stefan Thomas master * r8b32d43 / (46 files in 8 dirs): Moved sources into src/ subdirectory. - http://bit.ly/pgDyDl https://github.com/bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib/commit/8b32d4333561a8078b02fbcc0e897790d2c8265f
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1125 2011-08-11 17:58:38 <luke-jr> Giel: but not enough to matter. I could change my stuff to use a TCP socket, but it would be premature optimization
1126 2011-08-11 17:58:41 * Giel wonders if it would be possible to create a Boost.Spirit grammar for the BitCoin protocol...
1127 2011-08-11 17:59:10 <Giel> luke-jr: I suppose
1128 2011-08-11 17:59:35 <Giel> the complexity from using multiple languages is probably more troublesome than the popen() overhead
1129 2011-08-11 17:59:43 <luke-jr> as it is, having it popen is actually easier for me, the human-- I don't need to worry about another daemon crashing, or restarting it when I make changes
1130 2011-08-11 17:59:47 <luke-jr> I just drop a new script in place
1131 2011-08-11 18:00:18 <luke-jr> sure
1132 2011-08-11 18:00:24 <luke-jr> actually, maybe I should be using a .pyc instead
1133 2011-08-11 18:00:49 <Giel> Python automatically uses a .pyc when it's available and newer than the .py
1134 2011-08-11 18:01:02 <luke-jr> not for the main script
1135 2011-08-11 18:01:03 <luke-jr> only for imports
1136 2011-08-11 18:01:09 <luke-jr> unless you specify the .pyc explicitly
1137 2011-08-11 18:01:19 <Giel> it *uses* it for the main script, doesn't generate it for the main script though
1138 2011-08-11 18:01:31 <luke-jr> I know from experience it does not use it for the main script.
1139 2011-08-11 18:01:40 <Giel> use a dummy script to invoke then ;-)
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1141 2011-08-11 18:03:26 <luke-jr> in practice: no performance change from using pyc
1142 2011-08-11 18:03:46 <luke-jr> in any case, it would be another case of premature optimization-- it's not exactly slow :P
1143 2011-08-11 18:03:59 <luke-jr> (the slowest part is actually waiting on the bitcoin RPC calls… ;)
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1154 2011-08-11 18:25:33 <rgm3> Feature request -- Please make it possible / easier to copy addresses from the history to the clipboard
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1160 2011-08-11 18:33:47 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
1161 2011-08-11 18:33:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 140567 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 552 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1841792.46957133
1162 2011-08-11 18:33:55 <luke-jr> rgm3: make a patch for bitcoin-qt
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1165 2011-08-11 18:36:23 <rgm3> luke-jr: I am incapable and/or unwilling to do so, but I humbly ask that you do it for me ;)
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1196 2011-08-11 19:22:00 <EPiSKiNG-> any progress on merged mining???
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1199 2011-08-11 19:36:43 <luke-jr> Silk Road is running off a GoDaddy server in the USA
1200 2011-08-11 19:36:44 <luke-jr> FYI
1201 2011-08-11 19:36:52 <luke-jr> anyone wanna get its info to the gov't?
1202 2011-08-11 19:38:38 <luke-jr> who's involved w/ law enforcement on this?
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1204 2011-08-11 19:39:29 <b4epoche> does anyone have a good link to learn about crypto-currency history?
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1208 2011-08-11 19:41:13 <vegard> luke-jr: how did you figure that out?
1209 2011-08-11 19:41:36 <luke-jr> vegard: vulns in their website
1210 2011-08-11 19:42:49 <vegard> interesting. try fbi?
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1225 2011-08-11 20:02:14 <b4epoche> I'm planning to give a TEDxPSU talk about bitcoin and need to provide "a 3-4 sentence description of what you would like to pitch as your talk"
1226 2011-08-11 20:02:18 <b4epoche> what I have:
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1228 2011-08-11 20:02:25 <b4epoche> Bitcoin is the latest in a series of so called crypto-currencies that use a ideas and developments in cryptography and peer-to-peer networks as the basis for a next-generation, virtual currency; and the first one that seems to have gained a foothold.  The ideas behind bitcoin were introduced in a 20? paper published independently by Satoshi Nakamoto (certainly a pseudonym) who then implemented the system in code and
1229 2011-08-11 20:02:25 <b4epoche>  disappeared from the scene roughly six months ago.  The fundamental breakthrough that has help propel bitcoin is the idea to have a rewarded 'proof-of-work' called mining to prevent double spending and introduce new bitcoins into the ecosystem.  This talk will give an overview of bitcoin, discuss some of the challenges it has faced and some of the benefits it provides, and speculate on some future challenges.
1230 2011-08-11 20:02:48 <b4epoche> anything blatantly wrong in there?
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1232 2011-08-11 20:04:28 <tcatm> b4epoche: "latest in a series" <- which series?
1233 2011-08-11 20:04:41 <luke-jr> b4epoche: more like first in a series
1234 2011-08-11 20:04:47 <luke-jr> namecoin and ixcoin are "latest"
1235 2011-08-11 20:04:56 <lfm> Bitcoin is the first currency to use peer-to-peer tech afaik
1236 2011-08-11 20:05:02 <b4epoche> hence my question "does anyone have a good link to learn about crypto-currency history?"
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1238 2011-08-11 20:05:10 <tcatm> b4epoche: also s/six months ago/$absolute_timestamp/
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1240 2011-08-11 20:05:28 <luke-jr> b4epoche: also, proof of work does nothing related to double spending
1241 2011-08-11 20:06:01 <lfm> do you KNOW satoshi is a pseudonym?
1242 2011-08-11 20:06:17 <b4epoche> there's /no way/ I'm going to claim bitcoin is not an evolution of previous ideas
1243 2011-08-11 20:07:03 <tcatm> it's not really an evolution. more a combination of previous ideas
1244 2011-08-11 20:07:10 <lfm> bitcoin is the first to combine digital currency and peer-to-peer networking then
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1248 2011-08-11 20:07:41 <b4epoche> tcatm:  Is there an absolute time stamp on Satoshi going AWOL?
1249 2011-08-11 20:08:06 <b4epoche> but there have been crypto-currencies before, no?
1250 2011-08-11 20:08:09 <tcatm> b4epoche: early 2011?
1251 2011-08-11 20:08:22 <b4epoche> anyway, I think I'll reword the first sentence.
1252 2011-08-11 20:08:24 <lfm> not really since he was reported to be in private conversation with some after his last public note.
1253 2011-08-11 20:08:37 <b4epoche> early 2011 ~ six months ago, no?
1254 2011-08-11 20:09:06 <tcatm> yes, but I think it's better to use absolute timestamps in case you want to re-use the talk later
1255 2011-08-11 20:09:12 <luke-jr> lfm: Satoshi is a male name
1256 2011-08-11 20:09:13 <tcatm> or upload slides
1257 2011-08-11 20:09:22 <luke-jr> lfm: and we know Satoshi is really Gavin's wife, a female
1258 2011-08-11 20:09:30 <b4epoche> "Bitcoin is the latest in a series of so called crypto-currencies and the first to use ideas and developments in cryptography and peer-to-peer networks as the basis for a next-generation, virtual currency"
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1261 2011-08-11 20:09:47 <lfm> luke-jr huh? you know that how?
1262 2011-08-11 20:09:59 <luke-jr> lfm: I forget, it was a topic in here some months ago
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1264 2011-08-11 20:10:12 <b4epoche> I think I'll leave ";and the first one that seems to have gained a foothold." there too
1265 2011-08-11 20:10:17 <luke-jr> b4epoche: Bitcoin is the first crypto-currency ever.
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1267 2011-08-11 20:10:30 <tcatm> b4epoche: again, where's the series? which other cryptop-currencies where there before (and somewhat known to the public)?
1268 2011-08-11 20:10:52 <lfm> luke-jr not true, there was digi-cash and digi-cheque systems before bitcoin
1269 2011-08-11 20:11:07 <b4epoche> again, this is going to be a crowd of academics and I am not going to clain this is the first anything
1270 2011-08-11 20:11:20 <luke-jr> lfm: never heard of them
1271 2011-08-11 20:11:28 <b4epoche> even satoshi referenced 'hash-cash'
1272 2011-08-11 20:11:31 <tcatm> what about "Bitcoin is a so called crypto-currency..."?
1273 2011-08-11 20:11:34 <luke-jr> b4epoche: if academics can't handle new stuff, that's their problem
1274 2011-08-11 20:11:39 <lfm> luke-jr never-the-less- they existed
1275 2011-08-11 20:11:51 <b4epoche> luke-jr:  no its you being naive.
1276 2011-08-11 20:11:54 <luke-jr> lfm: were they really crypto-currencies tho?
1277 2011-08-11 20:11:54 <pumpkin> fucking academics
1278 2011-08-11 20:12:10 <b4epoche> and making absolute statements that are surely not true
1279 2011-08-11 20:12:32 <luke-jr> b4epoche: surely what? you know of some prior?
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1281 2011-08-11 20:12:49 <b4epoche> well, the one satoshi references
1282 2011-08-11 20:12:56 <tcatm> if you say "latest" it should be "ixcoin is the the latest of a series of crypto...." ;)
1283 2011-08-11 20:13:10 <lfm> luke-jr yes, they may never have got much beyond prototype stage really but they could have been used for banking and such. they were complete and afaik secure. they WERE centralized too.
1284 2011-08-11 20:13:19 <tcatm> where series = hashcash, bitcoin, namecoin, ixcoin
1285 2011-08-11 20:13:32 <b4epoche> and I can be 99% sure other ideas preceded
1286 2011-08-11 20:13:46 <b4epoche> namecoin is a currency?
1287 2011-08-11 20:13:53 <b4epoche> what's ixcoin?
1288 2011-08-11 20:13:56 <lfm> b4epoch http://www.isi.edu/gost/info/NetCheque/
1289 2011-08-11 20:14:00 <tcatm> if bitcoin is a currency, namecoin is one, too
1290 2011-08-11 20:14:23 <tcatm> ixcoin is basically bitcoin with slightly different rules
1291 2011-08-11 20:14:29 <luke-jr> lfm: doesn't centralized necessarily negate crypto-?
1292 2011-08-11 20:14:46 <b4epoche> what?  no
1293 2011-08-11 20:15:14 <lfm> luke-jr well no, they still used public key encryption and signature systems to prevent double spending and such
1294 2011-08-11 20:15:31 <b4epoche> the idea is for people to be able to purchase general goods with namecoins?
1295 2011-08-11 20:16:10 <b4epoche> I've got to run, but why doesn't proof-of-work prevent double spending (in a broad view)?
1296 2011-08-11 20:16:35 <tcatm> b4epoche: the paper explains the reason for using a proof-of-work chain pretty good
1297 2011-08-11 20:16:44 <luke-jr> because all it does is require hashpower to produce blocks
1298 2011-08-11 20:16:46 <lfm> no alone, it is part of the system I guess
1299 2011-08-11 20:17:14 <b4epoche> the point is, without a proof of work, double spending would be easy, no?
1300 2011-08-11 20:17:19 <tcatm> it's not to prevent double spends but allows all nodes to have the same view of all transactions without having to trust a single node
1301 2011-08-11 20:17:20 <luke-jr> double-spending is prevented by the block chain
1302 2011-08-11 20:17:30 <luke-jr> b4epoche: without proof of work, Bitcoin would not function as-is
1303 2011-08-11 20:17:47 <lfm> b4epoch proof of work allows you to pick a winner when double spending is detected
1304 2011-08-11 20:17:48 <b4epoche> but the block chain is enabled by proof-of-work
1305 2011-08-11 20:17:58 <luke-jr> yes, it is
1306 2011-08-11 20:18:09 <luke-jr> but proof-of-work is not itself responsible for the benefits of the block chain IMO
1307 2011-08-11 20:18:28 <lfm> its all tied together tho
1308 2011-08-11 20:18:49 <b4epoche> again, I'm just trying to summarize this as succinctly as possible
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1310 2011-08-11 20:19:31 <b4epoche> I'm off…  thanks for the comments.
1311 2011-08-11 20:19:31 <luke-jr> b4epoche: perhaps "proof of work" should be replaced with "block chain"
1312 2011-08-11 20:19:37 <lfm> good luck
1313 2011-08-11 20:19:44 <b4epoche> bbl
1314 2011-08-11 20:20:12 <tcatm> the concept of the block chain makes double spending impossible. proof-of-work allows building that block chain on distributed, untrusted nodes
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1316 2011-08-11 20:20:42 <b4epoche> a thought:  "a proof-of-work backed block chain"?
1317 2011-08-11 20:20:45 <lfm> is its like indirectly true
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1319 2011-08-11 20:21:02 <luke-jr> proof-of-work managed block chain?
1320 2011-08-11 20:21:21 <b4epoche> oo
1321 2011-08-11 20:21:39 <luke-jr> topic change: any reason not to allow people to enter lowercase L in addresses, and parse it like a 1 ?
1322 2011-08-11 20:21:48 <luke-jr> ie, accept ambiguous characters in any form
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1324 2011-08-11 20:22:15 <tcatm> luke-jr: does the base58 charset include both characters?
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1326 2011-08-11 20:22:23 <lfm> http://www.bcneuman.com/ecommerce/
1327 2011-08-11 20:22:31 <luke-jr> tcatm: no, it specifically excludes lowercase L because it looks like 1
1328 2011-08-11 20:22:44 <lfm> ^^ lots of older crypto-currency systems for the net
1329 2011-08-11 20:22:51 <luke-jr> same for zero and uppercase O I think
1330 2011-08-11 20:22:54 <tcatm> luke-jr: then I'm okay with s/l/1/g
1331 2011-08-11 20:23:18 <lfm> netcash, digicash, cybercash
1332 2011-08-11 20:23:25 <tcatm> or even tr/OIl/011/
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1335 2011-08-11 20:24:27 <tcatm> luke-jr: actually, what about returning "incorrect address. did you mean $translated_address?" if $trans... is valid?
1336 2011-08-11 20:24:44 <luke-jr> tcatm: well, my goal is to help vanity addresses ;)
1337 2011-08-11 20:25:05 <luke-jr> ie 1E1igiusfEjs1pCaGjEERExE9gYcrFwow7
1338 2011-08-11 20:27:02 <lfm> and you never used it?
1339 2011-08-11 20:27:42 <luke-jr> lfm: ?
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1346 2011-08-11 20:54:52 <diki> you know
1347 2011-08-11 20:55:04 <diki> i really want to know under what conditions a hash is < target
1348 2011-08-11 20:55:37 <diki> i want to dig down deep into the algorith
1349 2011-08-11 20:55:51 <diki> and see how bitcoin creates the so called "luck" that blesses a miner with 50 bitcoins
1350 2011-08-11 20:56:31 <edcba> what for ?
1351 2011-08-11 20:56:54 <Eliel> well, good luck with that. the algorithm is designed so it'd be as hard as possible to do that.
1352 2011-08-11 20:56:55 <diki> just so i can satisfy my curiosity
1353 2011-08-11 20:56:55 <chinaskibit> lol'd
1354 2011-08-11 20:57:07 <m03sizlak> hey, ive launched a HTML5 bitcoin blackjack site, check it out  http://bitjack21.com     This site uses a crypto hash system AND a hardware random number generator to 100% prove that every hand you play is 100% honest and 100% random
1355 2011-08-11 20:57:32 <edcba> hardware random generator won't prove anything
1356 2011-08-11 20:57:49 <copumpkin> it's just an /amsg on a timer, I think
1357 2011-08-11 20:57:53 <diki> m03sizlak:and where is whitejack?
1358 2011-08-11 20:58:00 <diki> and jack's wife?
1359 2011-08-11 20:58:01 <mabus> ban the spammer
1360 2011-08-11 20:58:15 <Eliel> banhammer holders, wake up!
1361 2011-08-11 20:58:17 <diki> one thing i can say
1362 2011-08-11 20:58:23 <diki> there is no 100% randomness
1363 2011-08-11 20:58:32 <diki> with computers
1364 2011-08-11 20:58:42 <edcba> with anything
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1366 2011-08-11 20:58:47 <copumpkin> his proof scheme seems more complicated than it needs to be
1367 2011-08-11 20:58:47 <diki> so that is false advertisement
1368 2011-08-11 20:58:53 <mabus> http://xkcd.com/221/
1369 2011-08-11 20:59:14 <BlueMatt> m03sizlak: I thought you had previously agreed to stfu about that on this chan?
1370 2011-08-11 20:59:17 <BlueMatt> oh well...
1371 2011-08-11 20:59:35 <Giel> diki: I didn't know you could quantify randomness...
1372 2011-08-11 20:59:39 <Eliel> diki: well, white noise recorded from the soundcard is good enough for me. you can get quite good quality random from there.
1373 2011-08-11 20:59:42 <copumpkin> Giel: you can attempt to
1374 2011-08-11 20:59:46 <edcba> mini 0.02 max 0.75 no way to cheat it seems
1375 2011-08-11 20:59:54 <Giel> sure you can quantify entropy
1376 2011-08-11 20:59:59 <copumpkin> the only "real" way to quantify randomness is kolmogorov complexity
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1378 2011-08-11 21:00:05 <copumpkin> but there are, um, issues, computing that :)
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1381 2011-08-11 21:00:26 <diki> right, issues, then let's not talk about it :D
1382 2011-08-11 21:00:35 <diki> topic change, to what i was saying
1383 2011-08-11 21:00:38 <edcba> anyway non random blackjack would make only him suffer :)
1384 2011-08-11 21:01:09 <edcba> unless he chose cards specifically but could be spotted quite well
1385 2011-08-11 21:01:25 <diki> tho i wonder how he made the graphics
1386 2011-08-11 21:01:26 <m03sizlak> my system proves that the cards are random
1387 2011-08-11 21:01:29 <edcba> BITJACK21.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
1388 2011-08-11 21:01:29 <diki> i am very bad with photoshop
1389 2011-08-11 21:01:34 <edcba> way to inspire confiance :)
1390 2011-08-11 21:01:50 <m03sizlak> i was worried about the semi legality of it
1391 2011-08-11 21:02:01 <m03sizlak> but anyway, I **PROVE** mathematically that every hand is honest
1392 2011-08-11 21:02:09 <neofutur> +1 no trust on this kind of anonymous whois
1393 2011-08-11 21:02:10 <diki> BlueMatt
1394 2011-08-11 21:02:15 <m03sizlak> id imagine that insires confidence
1395 2011-08-11 21:02:19 <BlueMatt> m03sizlak: doesnt matter in the slightest, this isnt the place to be advertising a site especially if youve been asked to stop before...
1396 2011-08-11 21:02:28 <noagendamarket> domainsbyproxy is another mybitcoin-privacyshark site...
1397 2011-08-11 21:02:46 <neofutur> m03sizlak: #bitcoin-games
1398 2011-08-11 21:03:15 <m03sizlak> that chan is fucking dead
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1400 2011-08-11 21:03:26 <m03sizlak> i havent heard anyone talk in there since i enetered a week ago
1401 2011-08-11 21:03:27 <copumpkin> m03sizlak: why not advertise it in #haskell then
1402 2011-08-11 21:03:46 <copumpkin> or #ubuntu
1403 2011-08-11 21:03:57 <m03sizlak> cus those ppl dont have bitcoins!
1404 2011-08-11 21:03:58 <chinaskibit> lol
1405 2011-08-11 21:04:02 <copumpkin> m03sizlak: many of them do
1406 2011-08-11 21:04:11 <copumpkin> my point is that they don't necessarily want to see ads in there
1407 2011-08-11 21:04:20 <m03sizlak> its not an ad, more of a plug
1408 2011-08-11 21:04:24 <edcba> m03sizlak: not sure about your proof
1409 2011-08-11 21:04:33 <m03sizlak> edcba, plz elaborate
1410 2011-08-11 21:04:34 <edcba> when do you display R1 ?
1411 2011-08-11 21:04:42 <m03sizlak> immediately after the hand is over
1412 2011-08-11 21:04:52 <edcba> so you can choose whatever you want
1413 2011-08-11 21:04:57 <BlueMatt> m03sizlak: its an ad, you are never in here as a regular person, you are just writing one-off messages about your new site
1414 2011-08-11 21:05:02 <m03sizlak> you can choose whatever R2 you want
1415 2011-08-11 21:05:08 <m03sizlak> R1 is generated with a hardware RNG
1416 2011-08-11 21:05:17 <copumpkin> m03sizlak: that doesn't really do anything
1417 2011-08-11 21:05:21 <m03sizlak> yes it does
1418 2011-08-11 21:05:34 <edcba> yes but you may look at SHA(R1+R2) see R1 isn't good so choose R1' that will be ok
1419 2011-08-11 21:05:42 <BlueMatt> anyway, not really relevant, no one should be advertising sites in here
1420 2011-08-11 21:05:53 <m03sizlak> edcba, i dont follow
1421 2011-08-11 21:06:20 <edcba> you can repetively choose R1 until deck order will be in your favor
1422 2011-08-11 21:06:40 <m03sizlak> but i display SHA256(R1+RX) PRIOR to the hand
1423 2011-08-11 21:06:49 <edcba> what is + ?
1424 2011-08-11 21:06:50 <m03sizlak> so they can see that R1 was decided before the hand started
1425 2011-08-11 21:06:54 <m03sizlak> concatenation
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1427 2011-08-11 21:07:13 <desaiu> Which rpc-json spec is bitcoin using, 1.0 or 2.0?
1428 2011-08-11 21:07:22 <Eliel> desaiu: looked like 1.0 to me
1429 2011-08-11 21:07:23 <edcba> ok missed that step it seems
1430 2011-08-11 21:07:31 <edcba> looks ok then i guess
1431 2011-08-11 21:07:35 <diki> anywya
1432 2011-08-11 21:07:40 <diki> i made 20 btc today
1433 2011-08-11 21:07:44 <diki> and i am proud of it
1434 2011-08-11 21:08:13 <m03sizlak> i make that much every week
1435 2011-08-11 21:08:18 <diki> lol
1436 2011-08-11 21:08:27 <diki> with the site, you will prolly make 100 a week
1437 2011-08-11 21:08:28 <edcba> with your website ?
1438 2011-08-11 21:08:47 <diki> is it flash?
1439 2011-08-11 21:08:59 <m03sizlak> no
1440 2011-08-11 21:09:02 <m03sizlak> jquery
1441 2011-08-11 21:09:14 <diki> cause chrome developers told me that flash is the usual method to execute malicious code
1442 2011-08-11 21:09:18 <m03sizlak> plays in just about every browser including android and ipad
1443 2011-08-11 21:09:24 <m03sizlak> its not flash
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1445 2011-08-11 21:12:47 <diki> seems m03sizlak also posted on btcguild
1446 2011-08-11 21:13:53 * m03sizlak registers bitcoinhookers.com
1447 2011-08-11 21:14:02 <diki> i already registered it
1448 2011-08-11 21:14:07 <m03sizlak> BASTARD!
1449 2011-08-11 21:14:18 <m03sizlak> ive already cornered the bitcoin gambling market
1450 2011-08-11 21:14:21 <m03sizlak> so whats next i wonder
1451 2011-08-11 21:14:35 <diki> but do know that a true gambler always uses tricks
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1453 2011-08-11 21:14:40 <m03sizlak> such as?
1454 2011-08-11 21:14:50 <m03sizlak> im a true gambler BTW
1455 2011-08-11 21:14:51 <diki> a magician never tells his secrets
1456 2011-08-11 21:15:07 <m03sizlak> ive never met a gambler who didnt have a "system"
1457 2011-08-11 21:15:16 <m03sizlak> luckily im the house, and my system is MATH
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1459 2011-08-11 21:15:26 <diki> there are those with systems
1460 2011-08-11 21:15:32 <diki> and those that win with said systems
1461 2011-08-11 21:15:39 <m03sizlak> the best system ive seen on my site is the Martingale system
1462 2011-08-11 21:15:52 <m03sizlak> where every time you lose you double your bet
1463 2011-08-11 21:16:02 <m03sizlak> and every time you win you drop it back to the minimum
1464 2011-08-11 21:16:20 <m03sizlak> this is of course no better than any other system
1465 2011-08-11 21:16:23 <m03sizlak> statistically
1466 2011-08-11 21:17:01 <m03sizlak> you go on a 10 hand losing streak which happens, and you lose 2+4+8+16+32+64 BTC
1467 2011-08-11 21:17:03 <m03sizlak> etc
1468 2011-08-11 21:17:12 <m03sizlak> then, youre bankrupt
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1470 2011-08-11 21:18:28 <diki> i really wonder if your site is secure from sql injections
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1472 2011-08-11 21:18:34 <diki> if it is using mysql and php
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1478 2011-08-11 21:25:47 <m03sizlak> diki, im a programmer by trade
1479 2011-08-11 21:25:53 <m03sizlak> a very security conscious one
1480 2011-08-11 21:26:04 <m03sizlak> so no, its not vulnerable to sql injection
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1482 2011-08-11 21:26:36 <copumpkin> but it is vulnerable to this 0day I have right here
1483 2011-08-11 21:26:45 <m03sizlak> give it your best shot
1484 2011-08-11 21:26:47 * copumpkin grins evilly
1485 2011-08-11 21:26:52 <copumpkin> :)
1486 2011-08-11 21:26:53 <m03sizlak> i keep about 5 BTC on that server
1487 2011-08-11 21:26:53 <copumpkin> just kidding
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1490 2011-08-11 21:29:52 <diki> haha
1491 2011-08-11 21:29:59 <diki> do you know how many people said they were secure
1492 2011-08-11 21:30:08 <diki> only to have that security thrown at their faces?
1493 2011-08-11 21:30:21 <desaiu> Thank you for the help
1494 2011-08-11 21:30:22 <diki> When we start from mtgox we end to mybitcoins
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1497 2011-08-11 21:30:39 <diki> they all said "we are secure"
1498 2011-08-11 21:30:44 <diki> they failed either way
1499 2011-08-11 21:30:49 <diki> so did sony btw
1500 2011-08-11 21:30:57 <Caesium> you're hardly going to find a webmaster saying "yep, my shit is totally insecure" are you.
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1502 2011-08-11 21:32:41 <copumpkin> Caesium: if I wrote a webapp
1503 2011-08-11 21:32:44 <copumpkin> it'd be totally insecure
1504 2011-08-11 21:34:03 <Caesium> I stand corrected.
1505 2011-08-11 21:34:06 <Caesium> wait, are you a webmaster?
1506 2011-08-11 21:34:32 <diki> we need proof
1507 2011-08-11 21:34:34 <BlueMatt> note to self: never use any site copumpkin makes
1508 2011-08-11 21:34:53 <copumpkin> if I were to write a webapp, it'd be terrible
1509 2011-08-11 21:34:56 <copumpkin> but I haven't
1510 2011-08-11 21:34:58 <copumpkin> recently, anyway
1511 2011-08-11 21:34:59 <diki> copumpkin:i want when i open google for it to say "You've been hax0ored
1512 2011-08-11 21:35:12 <diki> then i shall know you own the web
1513 2011-08-11 21:35:16 <copumpkin> actually, my webapp would be so secure
1514 2011-08-11 21:35:19 <copumpkin> that it would probably never run
1515 2011-08-11 21:35:31 <copumpkin> I'd prove it correct and secure, and then move on to something else
1516 2011-08-11 21:35:59 <copumpkin> I can't even remember the last time I compiled and ran a program in my main hobby language
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1519 2011-08-11 21:36:08 <copumpkin> but I've written thousands of lines of code in it
1520 2011-08-11 21:36:11 <kinlo> pompom
1521 2011-08-11 21:36:20 <CydeWeys> copumpkin: What is your main hobby language?
1522 2011-08-11 21:36:27 <copumpkin> agda
1523 2011-08-11 21:36:35 <diki> again a new lang i've never heard of
1524 2011-08-11 21:36:41 <copumpkin> I just typecheck my programs
1525 2011-08-11 21:36:48 <copumpkin> :)
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1527 2011-08-11 21:37:43 <copumpkin> it's not a very common language
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1529 2011-08-11 21:41:27 <cjdelisle> You can make lots of stuff pretty secure if you call this when it starts:
1530 2011-08-11 21:41:28 <cjdelisle> setrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, &(struct rlimit){ 0, 0 });
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1534 2011-08-11 21:52:16 <Giel> cjdelisle: that won't close stdin/stdout/stderr; so you can make things more secure by doing "*(int*)0 = 1;"
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1537 2011-08-11 21:52:52 <cjdelisle> That's the point, it can still talk through those three but it can't open any more.
1538 2011-08-11 21:54:04 <Giel> cjdelisle: exactly, so it can communicate: thus not as secure as when it can't
1539 2011-08-11 21:54:44 <Giel> hence my ^^ one-liner segfault that will make *any* program secure on any OS with decent MMU handling
1540 2011-08-11 21:58:07 <copumpkin> sweet
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1542 2011-08-11 21:58:13 <copumpkin> I'm gonna put that into all my programs
1543 2011-08-11 21:58:19 <edcba> lol
1544 2011-08-11 22:01:02 <Giel> copumpkin: I can do it even shorter in asm ;-)
1545 2011-08-11 22:01:10 <copumpkin> zomg
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1549 2011-08-11 22:04:20 <Giel> just two asm instructions: "mov $60, %eax; syscall"
1550 2011-08-11 22:04:26 <BlueMatt> aw shit, miniupnpc 1.6  is out...
1551 2011-08-11 22:04:45 * Giel thinks UPNP is overrated
1552 2011-08-11 22:04:49 <diki> oh joy
1553 2011-08-11 22:05:01 <diki> *sarcasm intended
1554 2011-08-11 22:05:23 * BlueMatt somewhat agrees with Giel, but still has to do the work to upgrade bitocin to use 1.6
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1557 2011-08-11 22:08:46 <copumpkin> Giel: that isn't the same though
1558 2011-08-11 22:08:54 <copumpkin> Giel: you can do your memory write in a single instruction, though
1559 2011-08-11 22:09:03 <copumpkin> on some archs, anyway
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1562 2011-08-11 22:09:26 <Giel> copumpkin: those instructions are larger when assembled
1563 2011-08-11 22:10:06 <Giel> hmm, unless you do something like "xor %eax,%eax"..
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1565 2011-08-11 22:13:31 <Giel> BlueMatt: I assume UPnP is *only* used for NAT traversal?
1566 2011-08-11 22:13:58 <BlueMatt> yea
1567 2011-08-11 22:14:11 <Giel> because, AFAIK TCP hole punching works rather well for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_hole_punching
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1569 2011-08-11 22:14:34 <Giel> and unlike UPnP it doesn't require the router to support UPnP
1570 2011-08-11 22:15:18 <BlueMatt> tcp hole punching works...ok
1571 2011-08-11 22:15:35 <BlueMatt> and can be foiled pretty well by better routers, more nat, etc
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1574 2011-08-11 22:16:29 <Giel> doesn't work as well as UDP hole punching though (which works almost 100% of the time)
1575 2011-08-11 22:16:50 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: miron@google.com * r186 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Unit tests for Peer http://bitcoinj.googlecode.com/svn-history/r186/
1576 2011-08-11 22:17:30 <makomk> cjdelisle: do it right and use seccomp
1577 2011-08-11 22:17:51 <BlueMatt> tcp hole punching also requires both sides to upgrade to a new version of bitcoin, whereas upnp doesnt
1578 2011-08-11 22:17:59 <BlueMatt> though obviously upnp doesnt work for as many people...
1579 2011-08-11 22:19:18 <Giel> of course none of these problems would exist using IPv6 (at least not for the next 1000 years or so)
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1581 2011-08-11 22:19:40 <BlueMatt> yea, and we do have an ipv6 patch which works and should be included sometime in the not-too-distant future
1582 2011-08-11 22:19:59 <BlueMatt> and with things like teredo, hopefully nat issues will go away...
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1589 2011-08-11 22:27:39 * Giel prefers 6in4 above teredo
1590 2011-08-11 22:28:00 * BlueMatt agrees, but have fun getting my parents to set up 6in4
1591 2011-08-11 22:28:12 <BlueMatt> whereas recent windowses will set up teredo automatically
1592 2011-08-11 22:28:34 <kinlo> so bitcoin has no native v6 support for now?
1593 2011-08-11 22:28:59 <BlueMatt> not yet, but it will very soon
1594 2011-08-11 22:29:04 <kinlo> ic
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1598 2011-08-11 22:29:09 <Giel> right, I just gave my parents a router with OpenWRT on it, a 6in4 tunnel set up and radvd for router advertisements
1599 2011-08-11 22:29:11 <BlueMatt> well hopefully very soon
1600 2011-08-11 22:29:27 <kinlo> I really was convinced I saw ipv6 code last time I looked at the source
1601 2011-08-11 22:29:36 <BlueMatt> and for the parents without someone who knows what ipv6 is as a son
1602 2011-08-11 22:29:40 <BlueMatt> or daughter
1603 2011-08-11 22:29:58 <BlueMatt> there is some like if(addr.IsIPv4()) stuff
1604 2011-08-11 22:30:05 <BlueMatt> but nothing really for ipv6
1605 2011-08-11 22:30:23 <kinlo> :)
1606 2011-08-11 22:30:24 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/427
1607 2011-08-11 22:30:31 <kinlo> not too many people with v6 natively anyway
1608 2011-08-11 22:30:37 <kinlo> I guess it will still take a year or so
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1612 2011-08-11 22:42:04 <Giel> kinlo: you mean: not too many ISPs that provide IPv6 natively...
1613 2011-08-11 22:42:18 <Giel> if I'd have the choice for native IPv6 I'd go for it
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1615 2011-08-11 22:42:50 <Giel> there's however only a single consumer ISP in the Netherlands that provides native IPv6 (xs4all)
1616 2011-08-11 22:43:13 <Giel> unfortunately they're about twice as expensive as my current one and provide half the bandwidth for that
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1621 2011-08-11 22:44:59 <bbear> Hello.
1622 2011-08-11 22:45:07 <bbear> the git repo doesn't build.
1623 2011-08-11 22:46:00 <bbear> I think it's not good, it seems like the code is not really very clean.
1624 2011-08-11 22:46:16 <bbear> util.cpp:904:14: erreur: invalid conversion from ‘const wxChar* {aka const wchar_t*}’ to ‘char’ [-fpermissive]
1625 2011-08-11 22:46:31 <BlueMatt> you are using wx2.8 it would seem
1626 2011-08-11 22:47:02 <bbear> yes.
1627 2011-08-11 22:47:13 <BlueMatt> it requires wx2.9
1628 2011-08-11 22:49:35 * Giel thinks we really need a configure script to detect that kind of stuff ^^
1629 2011-08-11 22:49:48 <BlueMatt> patches welcome ;)
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1631 2011-08-11 22:50:28 <bbear> Yes there is no configure script.
1632 2011-08-11 22:51:02 <bbear> Why you are not using autotools ?
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1634 2011-08-11 22:51:17 <BlueMatt> because no one has written a workable autotools script yet
1635 2011-08-11 22:51:25 <BlueMatt> again: patches welcome
1636 2011-08-11 22:52:27 <Giel> BlueMatt: what about https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/180 ?
1637 2011-08-11 22:53:09 <BlueMatt> kinda died, it worked(ish) but the guy who wrote it gave up after getting it working on linux...
1638 2011-08-11 22:53:28 <BlueMatt> I spent time getting it to work on mingw and he adopted the changes, then deleted them
1639 2011-08-11 22:53:46 <BlueMatt> also, people who know autotools (not me) said that it was poorly written
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1642 2011-08-11 22:56:13 <Giel> hmm, the configure.ac in that pull request isn't too bad
1643 2011-08-11 22:56:33 <Giel> somewhat overly-verbosely written perhaps, other than that I don't see much wrong with it at first glance
1644 2011-08-11 22:56:42 <BlueMatt> you are welcome to revive it if you can get it to work on mingw, mingw cross compiling on linux and osx
1645 2011-08-11 22:57:16 <BlueMatt> but when a ton of stuff is added to the patch that people spend time writing and then he deletes it...well everyone moves on
1646 2011-08-11 22:57:50 <BlueMatt> that said, I FINALLY got miniupnpc to compile on mingw on linux :)
1647 2011-08-11 22:58:25 <Giel> MinGW cross compiling is fairly easy
1648 2011-08-11 22:58:37 <BlueMatt> in theory, yes
1649 2011-08-11 22:58:43 <Giel> native MinGW (using MSYS I guess) I'm not sure about because I cannot test it
1650 2011-08-11 22:58:47 <Giel> nor can I test OSX
1651 2011-08-11 22:59:02 <Giel> that's the real problem: needing to be able to test it
1652 2011-08-11 22:59:13 <BlueMatt> well finding people to test isnt too hard...just ask around
1653 2011-08-11 22:59:51 <BlueMatt> though Im typically the person who ends up doing that stuff and I dont have too much time on my hands right now
1654 2011-08-11 23:00:31 <Giel> neither do I, at least not until I've finished the last of my exams by the end of next week
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1656 2011-08-11 23:00:37 <BlueMatt> but if you look it up, Ive done a forum post on an idiots guide to installing all the msys stuff and all the bitcoin deps that you should be able to mindlessly follow and get going
1657 2011-08-11 23:00:46 <BlueMatt> finish exams now???
1658 2011-08-11 23:00:50 <BlueMatt> southern hemisphere?
1659 2011-08-11 23:00:59 <BlueMatt> or summer classes
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1662 2011-08-11 23:01:28 <Giel> nah, northern, but I failed one exam which I have to redo
1663 2011-08-11 23:01:34 <BlueMatt> ah
1664 2011-08-11 23:01:41 <Giel> (statistics)
1665 2011-08-11 23:02:07 <Giel> calculus I finish with an 8 out of 10...
1666 2011-08-11 23:02:24 <Giel> but statistics is so freaking *boring*, that it actually becomes difficult as a result
1667 2011-08-11 23:03:16 <BlueMatt> he know what you mean
1668 2011-08-11 23:04:39 <Giel> what I really hate about it is the need to remember a 1001 facts/formulas to apply
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1670 2011-08-11 23:05:16 <Giel> heck the only reason I didn't fail worse at it than I did was because I applied integral calculus on the central limit theorem
1671 2011-08-11 23:05:38 <Giel> (i.e. I basically reinvented the formulas from scratch during the exam)
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1674 2011-08-11 23:06:53 <copumpkin> zomg math
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1676 2011-08-11 23:07:45 <Giel> copumpkin: don't insult math by calling statistics math
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1678 2011-08-11 23:07:50 <copumpkin> :)
1679 2011-08-11 23:07:53 <Giel> ;-)
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1681 2011-08-11 23:08:06 <copumpkin> zomg yoneda lemma
1682 2011-08-11 23:08:21 <Giel> copumpkin: errr?
1683 2011-08-11 23:08:32 <copumpkin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoneda_lemma
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1686 2011-08-11 23:09:37 <Giel> does that even belong in math? looks more like part of first order logic & set theory to me...
1687 2011-08-11 23:09:48 <copumpkin> it's category theory
1688 2011-08-11 23:09:51 <copumpkin> definitely math :)
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1690 2011-08-11 23:09:58 <copumpkin> not that logic or set theory aren't math
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1692 2011-08-11 23:11:18 <Giel> copumpkin: sure, math uses both so in that sense you could consider both part of math ...
1693 2011-08-11 23:11:37 <copumpkin> math doesn't "use" set theory, or "use" formal logic :P
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1696 2011-08-11 23:11:59 <copumpkin> if you're going to argue those aren't, you might as well argue algebra isn't either
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1698 2011-08-11 23:12:38 <copumpkin> but math is pretty loosely defined :P
1699 2011-08-11 23:13:37 <copumpkin> where does math end and computer science begin?
1700 2011-08-11 23:13:39 <Giel> isn't there some kind of logical or mathematical definition of math?
1701 2011-08-11 23:13:44 <copumpkin> nope
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1703 2011-08-11 23:13:59 <BlueMatt> Im tired and going to bed, someone want to sanity check this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/464/files
1704 2011-08-11 23:14:04 <Giel> too bad, otherwise I could prove that I'm right! ;-)
1705 2011-08-11 23:14:07 <copumpkin> hah
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