1 2011-08-13 00:00:05 <lfm> depends what country you're in too
   2 2011-08-13 00:00:27 <cjdelisle> More importantly it doesn't say you have to read all of the patents, it means you have to not know of any patent on it.
   3 2011-08-13 00:00:59 <cjdelisle> Which means specifically thay you (or your employer) can't go and get a patent on it.
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   5 2011-08-13 00:01:42 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: says you
   6 2011-08-13 00:01:46 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: the courts disagree
   7 2011-08-13 00:01:54 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: see cjdelisle's point
   8 2011-08-13 00:01:54 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: just like everyone but you agrees that tonal is retarded
   9 2011-08-13 00:02:16 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: no u
  10 2011-08-13 00:02:19 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin-Test build #2: STILL FAILING in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Test/2/
  11 2011-08-13 00:02:23 <jrmithdobbs> cjdelisle: can be interpretted otherwise
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  13 2011-08-13 00:02:54 <cjdelisle> jrmithdobbs: if you want to play games you can interpret anything any way you want. I read the words and I know what it means.
  14 2011-08-13 00:03:09 <BlueMatt> I think you just stated that you agree with jrmithdobbs
  15 2011-08-13 00:03:12 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: he has a point to courts ruling contrary to the law tho
  16 2011-08-13 00:03:19 <BlueMatt> (by my interpretation of english)
  17 2011-08-13 00:03:27 <luke-jr> law says patents can't cover mere algorithms
  18 2011-08-13 00:03:33 <luke-jr> and all software can be proven to be mere algorithms
  19 2011-08-13 00:03:43 <luke-jr> yet the courts still allow the software patents to be enforced supposedly
  20 2011-08-13 00:03:50 <BlueMatt> that would be against the spirit of the law, if not the letter
  21 2011-08-13 00:03:53 <cjdelisle> That would make an interesting defense.
  22 2011-08-13 00:04:16 <lfm> however a "device" might have software components controlling its behaviour
  23 2011-08-13 00:04:40 <lfm> even if the software is not patented, the device still could be
  24 2011-08-13 00:04:46 <cjdelisle> sure, the device may be patentable yet the algorithm which contronls it is not.
  25 2011-08-13 00:05:43 <BlueMatt> courts disagree
  26 2011-08-13 00:05:44 <Giel> devices cannot be patented at all (their designs can be copyrighted though)
  27 2011-08-13 00:05:51 <Giel> techniques can be patented
  28 2011-08-13 00:06:31 <Giel> when products have "patent #xxx" or "patent pending" on them it usually applies to a technique used by the product or a technique used in producing of the product
  29 2011-08-13 00:06:35 <lfm> the behaviour of the device is covered in the patent. the behaviou is controlled by the software
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  31 2011-08-13 00:07:24 <cjdelisle> I don't know of anyone who has been sued for writing free software so I don't really care that much.
  32 2011-08-13 00:07:50 <Giel> lfm: right, if software controlls *all* of the behaviour (or the hardware portion of it isn't original enough for a patent) then I'd say that's a bullsh*t patent
  33 2011-08-13 00:08:04 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: IBM?
  34 2011-08-13 00:08:20 <lfm> Giel: the device may actually be general purpose liek aphone device
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  36 2011-08-13 00:08:28 <cjdelisle> what about IBM?
  37 2011-08-13 00:08:32 <BlueMatt> Giel: the courts disagree with you
  38 2011-08-13 00:08:36 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: haven't they been sued over Linux dev?
  39 2011-08-13 00:08:49 <Giel> cjdelisle: some students in Amsterdam (NL) writing an MP3 decoder (and open sourced it) have received an injunction
  40 2011-08-13 00:09:10 <Giel> BlueMatt: only because most judges aren't mathematicians
  41 2011-08-13 00:09:25 <Giel> i.e. they don't know what they're talking about...
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  43 2011-08-13 00:09:32 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
  44 2011-08-13 00:09:32 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin-Test build #3: FIXED in 7 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Test/3/
  45 2011-08-13 00:09:35 <BlueMatt> Giel: no, because most judges are trying to interpret spirit of the law not the letter which would mean software can be patented
  46 2011-08-13 00:09:37 <TYDIRocks> Hello could someone maybe help me with bitcoind?
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  49 2011-08-13 00:10:26 <lfm> jeez I WISH software was just math, then we wouldnt have to put up with 99% of change requests
  50 2011-08-13 00:10:30 <Giel> BlueMatt: erm, not sure how "mathematical techniques and laws of nature shall not be subject to patenting" is open to interpretation?
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  52 2011-08-13 00:10:41 <Giel> TYDIRocks: state your question, that might help
  53 2011-08-13 00:10:49 <BlueMatt> Giel: its not, but the spirit of the letter is
  54 2011-08-13 00:10:51 <jrmithdobbs> Giel: courts have said it is
  55 2011-08-13 00:10:56 <TYDIRocks> I just need help starting to use bitcoind, I can't seem to find any guides
  56 2011-08-13 00:11:02 <jrmithdobbs> that's all that matters in the real world
  57 2011-08-13 00:11:10 <cjdelisle> *shrug* DeCSS, Mp3, 09:f9:11:02, blueray all broke, ECC copied and copied and copied. I don't see people getting sued.
  58 2011-08-13 00:11:17 <jrmithdobbs> but y'all are more than welcome to continue living in your fantasy world
  59 2011-08-13 00:11:26 <BlueMatt> Giel: by the letter of the law, software absolutely cannot be patented, but if you read into it a bit more and think about it, well yea software is something else than what is meant there
  60 2011-08-13 00:11:31 <TYDIRocks> I'm going to be making a website that will process payments so I need to be able to use bitcoind
  61 2011-08-13 00:11:37 <lfm> TYDIRocks: start at http://bitcoin.org
  62 2011-08-13 00:11:47 <TYDIRocks> bitcoind, not the client like on windows
  63 2011-08-13 00:11:54 <Giel> jrmithdobbs: that ^^ was an excerpt from a summary of US patent law
  64 2011-08-13 00:12:01 <luke-jr> FWIW, hitting lots of issues with bitcoin-qt building :P
  65 2011-08-13 00:12:17 <lfm> TYDIRocks: the gui bitcoin client will do everything that bitcoind does
  66 2011-08-13 00:12:42 <TYDIRocks> Can add something an sql database?
  67 2011-08-13 00:12:45 <TYDIRocks> That's all I really need
  68 2011-08-13 00:12:53 <jrmithdobbs> no
  69 2011-08-13 00:12:57 <Giel> BlueMatt: all software are algorithms, algorithms are mathematical techniques by definition, ergo they should be prohibited from being patented (according to the law, both spirit and letter)
  70 2011-08-13 00:12:58 <jrmithdobbs> you have to do that
  71 2011-08-13 00:13:01 <TYDIRocks> I need it to add an address when receiving a payment
  72 2011-08-13 00:13:04 <lfm> TYDIRocks: bitcoin uses bdb, not sql
  73 2011-08-13 00:13:15 <jrmithdobbs> Giel: yet the courts disagree
  74 2011-08-13 00:13:34 <TYDIRocks> So I can't make it automatically add someone to an sql database when a payment is received?
  75 2011-08-13 00:13:40 <BlueMatt> Giel: courts and people who actually are paid shittons of money to read this crap disagree about the spirit here
  76 2011-08-13 00:13:43 <jrmithdobbs> TYDIRocks: no
  77 2011-08-13 00:13:50 <Giel> TYDIRocks: use the RPC interface coupled with the monitorreceived patches
  78 2011-08-13 00:14:11 <Giel> BlueMatt: you mean "people who are paid to disagree disagree"
  79 2011-08-13 00:14:12 <lfm> TYDIRocks: if you can write a script to add it to your database you can prolly write a script to get the info from bitcoin
  80 2011-08-13 00:14:15 <Giel> ?
  81 2011-08-13 00:14:41 <BlueMatt> Giel: no, judges and lawyers who are paid to read this shit closely and interpret it according to original intent disagree
  82 2011-08-13 00:14:42 <luke-jr> lfm: wxbitcoin won't do sendmanys
  83 2011-08-13 00:14:48 <luke-jr> (though bitcoin-qt will)
  84 2011-08-13 00:14:51 <BlueMatt> lawyers paid to argue a case were not included in that statement
  85 2011-08-13 00:15:11 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: bitcoind will do sendmany since quite a long time ago
  86 2011-08-13 00:15:14 <TYDIRocks> could you maybe tell me how http://bitlotto.com does their stuff then?
  87 2011-08-13 00:15:18 <lfm> luke-jr not even with -server flag?
  88 2011-08-13 00:15:20 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that's my point
  89 2011-08-13 00:15:20 <Giel> right, anyway, software patents are a said case of legislation..
  90 2011-08-13 00:15:25 <luke-jr> lfm: oh, you mean via JSONRPC
  91 2011-08-13 00:15:31 <JFK911> here we go, legal arguments on the internet.  anyone who watches the courts knows that they are unpredictable, so why bother arguing it? this is the kind of debate where everyone is wrong
  92 2011-08-13 00:15:33 <lfm> ya, everything
  93 2011-08-13 00:15:42 <Giel> and I'm not going to discuss it further, as I'm going to sleep(8 * 3600);
  94 2011-08-13 00:15:52 * Giel afk
  95 2011-08-13 00:16:01 <lfm> Giel: bye
  96 2011-08-13 00:16:13 <phedny_> Giel: you can actually set a decent sleep timer? :)
  97 2011-08-13 00:16:15 <BlueMatt> JFK911: well Im just stating what lawyers I know to be smart say, not really my own opinion though I do agree with them here...
  98 2011-08-13 00:16:37 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: IP lawyers also basically all agree that proprietary modules in Linux are illegal
  99 2011-08-13 00:16:46 <lfm> lawyers are smart at getting client's money
 100 2011-08-13 00:17:09 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: illegal != gonna get sued for it ;)
 101 2011-08-13 00:17:21 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that is indeed the problem :/
 102 2011-08-13 00:17:26 <molecular> TYDIRocks, you could use bitcoin-abe to have complete blockchain in sql db, but I don't think that's what you want
 103 2011-08-13 00:18:10 <JFK911> you dont need to break the law to get sued
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 105 2011-08-13 00:18:16 <JFK911> any crank can make any claim against anyone
 106 2011-08-13 00:18:28 <BlueMatt> dont think anyone ever said you did
 107 2011-08-13 00:18:31 <lfm> JFK911: you dont have to be wrong to get sued
 108 2011-08-13 00:18:39 <JFK911> right its chaos
 109 2011-08-13 00:19:30 <lfm> I think there should be more of loser if you lauch a suit and loose you pay winners legal fees
 110 2011-08-13 00:19:58 <lfm> lose
 111 2011-08-13 00:19:59 * BlueMatt agrees to some extent
 112 2011-08-13 00:20:28 <BlueMatt> would open a whole new can of worms, but yea frivolous lawsuits like the us has now need to be discouraged more fully
 113 2011-08-13 00:21:11 <lfm> extra court costs for losers and stuff
 114 2011-08-13 00:21:26 <BlueMatt> would help (somewhat)
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 116 2011-08-13 00:24:59 <luke-jr> lfm: only if the loser sued
 117 2011-08-13 00:26:23 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r8e4e5772a1a8 gentoo/overlay.xml: Update overlay maintainer email http://tinyurl.com/3r2fvfg
 118 2011-08-13 00:26:24 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r07d43d7522af gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoin-qt/ (Manifest bitcoin-qt-9999.ebuild): net-p2p/bitcoin-qt-9999: Incomplete-but-working ebuild for next-generation bitcoin-qt client http://tinyurl.com/3tsefvl
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 120 2011-08-13 00:29:23 <shadders> What's this CIA-101 thingy?
 121 2011-08-13 00:29:29 <BlueMatt> cia.vc
 122 2011-08-13 00:29:37 <shadders> ??
 123 2011-08-13 00:29:42 <BlueMatt> go to that website
 124 2011-08-13 00:31:19 <shadders> ahh...
 125 2011-08-13 00:31:42 <shadders> requires svn repo?
 126 2011-08-13 00:31:54 <BlueMatt> http://pastebin.com/RDw94V1r
 127 2011-08-13 00:32:04 <BlueMatt> no, works with github
 128 2011-08-13 00:33:14 <shadders> on bitbucket
 129 2011-08-13 00:33:24 <luke-jr> works with git*
 130 2011-08-13 00:33:42 <shadders> psj is using mercurial
 131 2011-08-13 00:33:52 <BlueMatt> no, iirc it doesnt work with git, only if the repo will send using their stuff, which github does
 132 2011-08-13 00:33:56 <BlueMatt> (and possibly others)
 133 2011-08-13 00:34:04 <luke-jr> shadders: you get my msgs earleir?
 134 2011-08-13 00:34:14 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: git is the repo, duh
 135 2011-08-13 00:34:26 <shadders> luke-jr: which ones?  about noncerange?
 136 2011-08-13 00:34:35 <BlueMatt> well cia.vc wont handle a git repo, it has to come from github or someone else who supports cia.vc
 137 2011-08-13 00:34:41 <luke-jr> shadders: yeah
 138 2011-08-13 00:34:50 <BlueMatt> s/ a / any /
 139 2011-08-13 00:34:57 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: git itself can support cia.vc
 140 2011-08-13 00:35:07 <BlueMatt> hm, well maybe I just missed that
 141 2011-08-13 00:35:14 <luke-jr> shadders: Debian has a CIA script for Mercurial
 142 2011-08-13 00:35:30 <shadders> yeah... so what's the deal with it... is it intended to implement. just proposed or abandoned?
 143 2011-08-13 00:35:46 <luke-jr> shadders: proposed, but not final yet
 144 2011-08-13 00:35:51 <luke-jr> shadders: the main problem is the endian issue
 145 2011-08-13 00:36:26 <luke-jr> shadders: specifically, miners work in little endian, but network is big endian
 146 2011-08-13 00:36:37 <shadders> f*** endianess does my head in...
 147 2011-08-13 00:36:43 <luke-jr> right now, implementations are just assuming little endian always
 148 2011-08-13 00:36:52 <luke-jr> despite being transmitted as big endian over the net
 149 2011-08-13 00:36:55 <shadders> why can't we just pick one and use it across the board
 150 2011-08-13 00:37:08 <luke-jr> shadders: we did. Intel decided to screw us.
 151 2011-08-13 00:37:24 <shadders> my rambling about noncerange: http://poolserverj.org/ramblings/x-mining-extensions-noncerange/
 152 2011-08-13 00:38:22 <shadders> how does intel influence anything?  I don't really get the whole endian thing..
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 155 2011-08-13 00:38:42 <luke-jr> shadders: basically everyone but Intel uses big endian
 156 2011-08-13 00:38:50 <luke-jr> Intel comes along and uses little endian for x86
 157 2011-08-13 00:40:36 <luke-jr> shadders: my noncerange implementation for pushpool duplicates the work itself in the user's work log
 158 2011-08-13 00:40:58 <luke-jr> and noncerange drastically reduces overhead, so…
 159 2011-08-13 00:41:03 <luke-jr> not sure your rant makes sense
 160 2011-08-13 00:42:30 <luke-jr> rambling*
 161 2011-08-13 00:42:51 <shadders> reduces overhead for bitcoind by needing less getworks... I see that... for pool it seems it increases overhead per request - I'm not including the part of the request where pool retrieves a getwork since psj and pp do it completely differently
 162 2011-08-13 00:43:28 <luke-jr> …
 163 2011-08-13 00:43:32 <luke-jr> they can't do it completely differently :P
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 165 2011-08-13 00:43:46 <luke-jr> without noncerange, each getwork into the pool server needs a matching getwork to bitcoind
 166 2011-08-13 00:44:26 <shadders> no I just mean that request time for a pp request includes a round trip to daemon.  Whereas for psj the round trip is async to the request
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 168 2011-08-13 00:45:37 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin-Sanitytest build #1: FAILURE in 1 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Sanitytest/1/
 169 2011-08-13 00:45:47 <shadders> yes... so assuming majorty support from miners, less bitcoind-getworks but more internal overhead.  If support from miners is not wide spread then it's just more internal overhead
 170 2011-08-13 00:46:11 <shadders> with majority support it's definately a win..
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 173 2011-08-13 00:47:22 <luke-jr> especially with cpu miner support
 174 2011-08-13 00:47:38 <luke-jr> I've considered at some point saying "1% fee if you don't use noncerange" ;p
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 176 2011-08-13 00:48:43 <tcatm> anyone thinking about crashing the market anytime soon? I want to take down bitcoincharts for about an hour...
 177 2011-08-13 00:48:54 <BlueMatt> hehe
 178 2011-08-13 00:48:57 <luke-jr> tcatm: meanie
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 180 2011-08-13 00:49:30 <shadders> I'm think of just running two endpoints... one that enforces all this sort of stuff and one that doesn't... then if people want to run old shit they can all have fun clogging up a server together and not annoy the people that bothered to evolve
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 183 2011-08-13 00:49:53 <tcatm> luke-jr: the telnet stream will be faster after the upgrade
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 188 2011-08-13 00:50:31 <luke-jr> tcatm: would be cool if it added volumes together when they're the same market/price tho
 189 2011-08-13 00:50:49 <tcatm> luke-jr: you could do that in your script
 190 2011-08-13 00:50:59 <luke-jr> I could…
 191 2011-08-13 00:51:00 <BlueMatt> anyone have comments on http://pastebin.com/RDw94V1r ?
 192 2011-08-13 00:51:18 <tcatm> luke-jr: or you wait until I activate the pre-quantized data stream
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 194 2011-08-13 00:52:00 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no context
 195 2011-08-13 00:52:26 <BlueMatt> the idea behind using that as a "hub" for blockstore/net/wallet/etc to communicate info on new blocks, txes, et
 196 2011-08-13 00:52:27 <BlueMatt> c
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 198 2011-08-13 00:54:04 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: node/"hub" shouldn't be the wallet IMO
 199 2011-08-13 00:54:32 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it should be something multiple wallets can share on the same system/LAN
 200 2011-08-13 00:54:55 <BlueMatt> ?
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 202 2011-08-13 00:55:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: most OS are multi-user, but only one can run the bitcoin node/hub
 203 2011-08-13 00:55:37 <luke-jr> it makes sense to make it a system service, which all the users' wallets talk to
 204 2011-08-13 00:55:53 <luke-jr> possibly a router service, if the LAN trusts it
 205 2011-08-13 00:56:13 <BlueMatt> well my idea is to do it in a lib in bitcoin for now, then if people want that they can write a nice listener on that hub which provides wallet info over the network
 206 2011-08-13 00:56:34 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: the point is that it *shouldn't* be a wallet :p
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 208 2011-08-13 00:56:46 <luke-jr> *just* network traffic control and events
 209 2011-08-13 00:56:52 <luke-jr> wallets should be per-user
 210 2011-08-13 00:57:01 <BlueMatt> well by splitting it all off now, you can do that more easily in the future ;)
 211 2011-08-13 00:57:03 <BlueMatt> baby steps
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 222 2011-08-13 01:01:30 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * 8c8e6b7e6378 r12 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Update classpath for windows service
 223 2011-08-13 01:02:00 <shadders> neat :)
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 256 2011-08-13 01:10:57 <shadders> luke-jr: does this make any sense:
 257 2011-08-13 01:10:59 <shadders> When I originally wrote the WorkSource class I noticed the duplicate rate would skyrocket if I only included the merkleroot.  Since the timestamp only rolls once per second and I was making many requests per second I’m assuming that the extranonce implementation has changed since bitcoin 0.2.23 (which I was running at the time).  It would seem it previously must have generated a large set of merkleroots using different e
 258 2011-08-13 01:10:59 <shadders> xtranonces then recycled them every second until a new tx was incorporated in the coinbase.  That’s the only explanation I can think of for why a timestamp that only changes once a second can affect the duplicate rate.  It doesn’t seem to be the case anymore with 0.3.24 + Joel Katz’s 0.984diff patch.  Doesn’t seem to make any difference to duplicate rate if timestamp is excluded from the key.
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 264 2011-08-13 01:11:52 <shadders> " if I only included the merkleroot" - this refers to key used in a set to check for duplicates
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 266 2011-08-13 01:12:17 <luke-jr> shadders: "Joel Katz’s 0.984diff patch" inclues my bugfix for duplicate works from bitcoind
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 272 2011-08-13 01:13:48 <luke-jr> shadders: no
 273 2011-08-13 01:13:57 <luke-jr> it was and still is buggy in the Satoshi client
 274 2011-08-13 01:14:02 <luke-jr> all versions, including git
 275 2011-08-13 01:14:16 <luke-jr> I made a branch with a bugfix for it a number of months ago
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 281 2011-08-13 01:16:11 <shadders> nice work on that patch... I thought I'd spend weeks writing a dog until I tried running psj with patched daemon
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 294 2011-08-13 01:53:01 <luke-jr> shadders: ty, I posted a donation address for it on the forums in case that interests you ;)
 295 2011-08-13 01:54:49 <luke-jr> or I thought there was…
 296 2011-08-13 01:55:14 <luke-jr> 16NWVgVi2w7Yu6TZRMUcXiWmDb27ofiuVL :p
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 300 2011-08-13 02:13:41 <b4epoche_> anyone know what font the official bitcoin B is?
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 302 2011-08-13 02:14:24 <tcatm> b4epoche_: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Bitcoin.png this?
 303 2011-08-13 02:14:52 <b4epoche_> well, the font used to create that
 304 2011-08-13 02:15:10 <shadders> luke-jr I'll use the address when my balance is higher than: 0.0595
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 309 2011-08-13 02:24:04 <shadders> luke-jr: "specifically, miners work in little endian, but network is big endian"
 310 2011-08-13 02:24:06 <b4epoche_> hmm…  never heard of "what the font"
 311 2011-08-13 02:24:15 <luke-jr> tcatm: did you rotate it?
 312 2011-08-13 02:24:24 <shadders> is there a current consensus or still being argued about?
 313 2011-08-13 02:24:28 <tcatm> luke-jr: no. why should I?
 314 2011-08-13 02:24:32 <b4epoche_> and I couldn't find anything on my laptop the same
 315 2011-08-13 02:24:56 <luke-jr> shadders: right now everyone simply assumes little-endian
 316 2011-08-13 02:25:09 <luke-jr> tcatm: presumably the original font wasn't rotated like that
 317 2011-08-13 02:26:42 <b4epoche_> rotated?
 318 2011-08-13 02:29:31 <luke-jr> at least the one on bitcoin.org looks rotated
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 321 2011-08-13 02:33:19 <tcatm> luke-jr: that's not the "official logo"
 322 2011-08-13 02:33:36 <luke-jr> tcatm: ………
 323 2011-08-13 02:33:58 <tcatm> we were talking about this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Bitcoin.png
 324 2011-08-13 02:34:48 <luke-jr> ok
 325 2011-08-13 02:35:03 <luke-jr> someone needs to make a font that renders it that way
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 327 2011-08-13 02:37:13 <tcatm> I've got a SVG
 328 2011-08-13 02:37:45 <luke-jr> I could make the actual glyph in fontforge, but I don't know how to designate it as the right character
 329 2011-08-13 02:38:00 <luke-jr> since it's a B with overlapping double-vertical-lines
 330 2011-08-13 02:38:11 <luke-jr> ligature maybe? but I don't know how…
 331 2011-08-13 02:38:46 <tcatm> the character doesn't exist yet. that's the problem
 332 2011-08-13 02:39:15 <luke-jr> it does
 333 2011-08-13 02:39:33 <luke-jr> B⃦
 334 2011-08-13 02:39:56 <luke-jr> U+0042 U+20E6
 335 2011-08-13 02:48:01 <tcatm> the closest match I could find is "Tanger Serif"
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 443 2011-08-13 07:18:53 <blob> When you close the windows client with the X button, the window is disappearing but ixcoin.exe is still running...
 444 2011-08-13 07:19:16 <blob> If you use file->exit, it's fine...
 445 2011-08-13 07:19:27 <blob> this in server-mode
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 450 2011-08-13 07:51:54 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * e5d4eabe34f7 r13 / (15 files in 5 dirs):
 451 2011-08-13 07:51:54 <CIA-101> poolserverj: - Cleaned up directory layout for distribution.
 452 2011-08-13 07:51:54 <CIA-101> poolserverj: - Fixed classpath problem for windows service so no longer need to build into one monolithic jar
 453 2011-08-13 07:51:54 <CIA-101> poolserverj: - added lib/plugins directory which is in the default classpath so plugins no longer require classpath changes.
 454 2011-08-13 07:51:55 <CIA-101> poolserverj: - update procrunsrv to 1.07 to support wildcard classpaths
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 456 2011-08-13 08:06:34 <Plasma-> blob, its probably minimised to sys tray?
 457 2011-08-13 08:07:48 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * b196b2cacdce r14 /.hgtags: Added tag 0.2.5 for changeset e5d4eabe34f7
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 460 2011-08-13 08:11:26 <blob> Couldn't find it anywhere... :)
 461 2011-08-13 08:11:48 <blob> maybe the window-close is not calling the server-close function...
 462 2011-08-13 08:11:54 <blob> if in server mode
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 466 2011-08-13 08:12:43 <diki> ok
 467 2011-08-13 08:12:45 <diki> small suggestion
 468 2011-08-13 08:13:02 <diki> allow a user to execute the getinfo rpc command from the UI
 469 2011-08-13 08:13:21 <diki> in fact, let the user be able to execute any rpc command via the ui
 470 2011-08-13 08:13:26 <diki> clickable of course
 471 2011-08-13 08:14:24 <blob> you mean full blockexplorer funktionality ? ^^
 472 2011-08-13 08:14:29 <diki> yes
 473 2011-08-13 08:14:38 <diki> the ui will be faster than blockexplorer
 474 2011-08-13 08:14:55 <diki> just one or two clicks
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 476 2011-08-13 08:15:49 <diki> under the hood, bitcoin might have a lot of work put in it
 477 2011-08-13 08:15:58 <diki> but in it's outer appearance, it doesnt
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 480 2011-08-13 08:34:30 <topi`> why is there a delay when bitcoin client starts, between the point where several connections have been acquired and when it first starts downloading the missing blocks for the blockchain
 481 2011-08-13 08:34:57 <topi`> I think it takes 20-30 seconds to get full 10 connections but then it thinks really long until new blocks start coming in
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 486 2011-08-13 09:02:27 <lfm> topi`: it varies
 487 2011-08-13 09:04:07 <lfm> topi`: it needs to get the "inventory" announcements from the connections so it can know what to ask for from each node.
 488 2011-08-13 09:09:28 <topi`> is the block acquiring speed limited by the fact that it might take 50 kilobytes to download a single block, or some other limit?
 489 2011-08-13 09:10:02 <Caesium> probably also limited by hte numberof <24 nodes around
 490 2011-08-13 09:10:35 <topi`> hmm, so it's like bittorrent, some of the peers are really really slow, and some might be faster
 491 2011-08-13 09:10:54 <lfm> maybe ya
 492 2011-08-13 09:11:56 <lfm> max block size: 334491 bytes (so far)
 493 2011-08-13 09:12:21 <lfm> most blocks are less than 10 k bytes tho I think
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 510 2011-08-13 09:57:58 <ThomasV> is the mybitcoin hack understood and explained ? has it been confirmed that it was a lack of confirmationis ?
 511 2011-08-13 09:58:07 <ThomasV> *confirmations*
 512 2011-08-13 10:00:12 <Eliel> ThomasV: I'm not aware of any information on it other than the public announcement on mybitcoin website.
 513 2011-08-13 10:01:53 <ThomasV> as far as I understand, a double spend attack requires mining power
 514 2011-08-13 10:02:39 <ThomasV> and tom williams said that the attack was made repeatedly, with small quantities
 515 2011-08-13 10:03:16 <ThomasV> this is not consistent with the scenario of mining fake blocks
 516 2011-08-13 10:03:24 <lfm> well they maybe were not waiting for any confirmations. we dont know
 517 2011-08-13 10:03:49 <ThomasV> yes, but he said they were waiting for one
 518 2011-08-13 10:04:28 <Eliel> if they were waiting for one confirmation, then it's reasonably easy to pull off. Especially if you're using the timejacking attack (just google for details)
 519 2011-08-13 10:05:43 <Eliel> http://culubas.blogspot.com/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html
 520 2011-08-13 10:06:01 * ThomasV is reading
 521 2011-08-13 10:07:57 <ThomasV> hmm, so the most sensible target for such an attack would be deepbit
 522 2011-08-13 10:08:14 <Eliel> for timejacking attack? how come?
 523 2011-08-13 10:08:40 <ThomasV> because they have a higher chance of finding a block
 524 2011-08-13 10:09:17 <Eliel> ah, you mean the part where you use timejacking to move miners time backwards?
 525 2011-08-13 10:10:18 <ThomasV> not just that ; you need a miner that announces the fake transaction, unless you are a miner yourself
 526 2011-08-13 10:11:11 <ThomasV> well, it's not very clear to me :-(
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 540 2011-08-13 10:42:37 <bbear> Hello.
 541 2011-08-13 10:42:49 <bbear> Do you think it would be possible to design a C library for bitcoins ?
 542 2011-08-13 10:42:51 <lfm> bbear: hi
 543 2011-08-13 10:42:58 <bbear> lfm: did you have a good sleep :)
 544 2011-08-13 10:43:02 <lfm> bbear: yes
 545 2011-08-13 10:43:14 <bbear> yes me too and strong coffee in the morning :D
 546 2011-08-13 10:43:15 <lfm> bbear: no I havent slept
 547 2011-08-13 10:43:26 <bbear> lfm: you ubermenschen
 548 2011-08-13 10:43:40 <lfm> I sed yes to posible to design a lib
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 573 2011-08-13 11:19:02 <bbear> Ok, do you think it's 1) possible to design a pure C bitcoin library 2) it's a good idea ?
 574 2011-08-13 11:19:26 <cjdelisle> 1) yes, 2) maybe
 575 2011-08-13 11:19:39 <cjdelisle> it would be a massive project
 576 2011-08-13 11:20:24 <BlueMatt> I would say: dont waste your time, spend your time working on the current bitcoin client and make a nice c lib wrapper around it
 577 2011-08-13 11:20:47 <BlueMatt> writing a bitcoin client from scratch to get all the complicated block chain reorgs handled right is a huge pita
 578 2011-08-13 11:20:58 <bbear> BlueMatt: it's just unusual to use C (low level) to wrap C++ (more abstract)
 579 2011-08-13 11:21:23 <bbear> Any way I am going to do it
 580 2011-08-13 11:21:30 <bbear> I know this is a good idea.
 581 2011-08-13 11:21:39 <BlueMatt> well have fun
 582 2011-08-13 11:22:02 <cjdelisle> If you wanted a C implementation, I would suggest modularizing the existing bitcoind and replacing one module at a time so you always have a tight work/test feedback loop.
 583 2011-08-13 11:22:45 <bbear> cjdelisle: is it possible to mix C/C++ in such a way ?
 584 2011-08-13 11:22:59 <BlueMatt> or: help others who are currently doing the modularizing work then replace C++ parts
 585 2011-08-13 11:23:02 <BlueMatt> bbear: of course
 586 2011-08-13 11:23:07 <cjdelisle> extern "C" { .....  } iirc
 587 2011-08-13 11:24:13 <bbear> BlueMatt: what is this project ?
 588 2011-08-13 11:24:16 <BlueMatt> typically dont even need that much...
 589 2011-08-13 11:24:44 <cjdelisle> IDK how people would feel about you suggesting patches written in C but if I was a committer and the patches were of better quality than the existing code I would be happy to accept them.
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 591 2011-08-13 11:25:36 <BlueMatt> bbear: well Im working on spliting block/tx store and verification into one module and net into a separate one (via a central hub) and Giel is working on modularizing net code so that it can be partially redone
 592 2011-08-13 11:26:41 <BlueMatt> committing straight C to the repo for the sole purpose of replacing C++ with C probably wont fly...but if it actually improves something, Id assume no one will mind (as long as you dont spend needless cpu cycles converting from C++ types to C ones)
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 597 2011-08-13 11:35:15 <bbear> BlueMatt: My idea is the following.
 598 2011-08-13 11:35:56 <bbear> Make something from the top to the bottom. It means that obviously, there is some primitives that the bitcoin clients perform : SendMoneyTo('bitcoinadress')
 599 2011-08-13 11:36:06 <bbear> FetchListOfBlocks()
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 602 2011-08-13 11:36:28 <bbear> ListOutcomingTransactions()
 603 2011-08-13 11:36:34 <bbear> ListIncomingTransactions()
 604 2011-08-13 11:36:58 <bbear> I mean, that simple transactions acting on a given wallet are the main primitives a bitcoin client should have, isn't it ?
 605 2011-08-13 11:38:48 <BlueMatt> that like .05% of what you need to implement
 606 2011-08-13 11:39:03 <BlueMatt> handling block checking/reorgs etc is what actually is hard
 607 2011-08-13 11:40:02 <bbear> BlueMatt: what's block checking.
 608 2011-08-13 11:40:19 <BlueMatt> check the hash of the headers, but thats the easy part
 609 2011-08-13 11:40:27 <bbear> Ah - something I thought of. I think mining should be really separated of my bitcoin client.
 610 2011-08-13 11:40:32 <BlueMatt> handling connections to other nodes on the p2p network and then handling block chain reorgs is hard
 611 2011-08-13 11:40:45 <bbear> BlueMatt: the p2p part is the less easy I guess.
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 613 2011-08-13 11:41:11 <bbear> BlueMatt: But it's not related with mining, isn't it ?
 614 2011-08-13 11:41:16 <BlueMatt> keep dreaming, it is a /ton/ of work to implement a bitcoin client even half way, if you want to do it by all means do, but know what you are getting into
 615 2011-08-13 11:41:44 <bbear> BlueMatt: That's why I keep talking instead of coding. I want to know what I am doing before to get into.
 616 2011-08-13 11:42:17 <bbear> I mean, does a p2p module would be used by both the basic client and the miner, through the same primitives (almost)
 617 2011-08-13 11:42:27 <bbear> BlueMatt: thank you for the advertising.
 618 2011-08-13 11:42:37 <BlueMatt> seriously, dont...ask TD or justmoon how much work it is...its a ton
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 622 2011-08-13 11:45:14 <Diablo-D3> hrm
 623 2011-08-13 11:45:16 <Diablo-D3> this is interesting
 624 2011-08-13 11:45:24 <Diablo-D3> I may have fixed phatk's insane array usage
 625 2011-08-13 11:45:41 <Diablo-D3> the core of it uses 24 registers
 626 2011-08-13 11:46:35 <Diablo-D3> ie, at no point am I holding onto more than 23 (24 if Im using whats in the register this step) things
 627 2011-08-13 11:47:15 <tcatm> who runs bitparking.com?
 628 2011-08-13 11:47:58 <Diablo-D3> and dear lord this is ugly perl
 629 2011-08-13 11:49:55 <Diablo-D3> so lets bloat it up to 32
 630 2011-08-13 11:50:43 <Diablo-D3> so I can abuse the register rotation cool down period a little further
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 632 2011-08-13 11:55:32 <Diablo-D3> hrm if it loads every arg into a reg
 633 2011-08-13 11:55:35 <Diablo-D3> thats 26 registers
 634 2011-08-13 11:55:45 <Diablo-D3> I have 64, I use 32, I leave it 6 for its own internal use
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 649 2011-08-13 12:17:27 <Diablo-D3> hrm
 650 2011-08-13 12:18:17 <Diablo-D3> if I enforce a "cant use right after it was last read from" rule and a "cant reuse the register in a line that references the register (ie, a = a + b)" rule, I need 25 registers for the core
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 652 2011-08-13 12:22:04 <cjdelisle> what is this register cooldown period? Can I find some info about it somewhere?
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 654 2011-08-13 12:23:18 <Diablo-D3> cjdelisle: nope, voodoo magic.
 655 2011-08-13 12:23:59 <makomk> Diablo-D3: do you really need to do that?
 656 2011-08-13 12:23:59 <cjdelisle> ok so it's just a little known fact that things run faster when you interchange which registers you write to?
 657 2011-08-13 12:24:09 <Diablo-D3> cjdelisle: depends on the hardware.
 658 2011-08-13 12:24:32 <Diablo-D3> compilers usually produce code that doesnt even look close to what you started with
 659 2011-08-13 12:24:38 <Diablo-D3> makomk: who knows
 660 2011-08-13 12:24:46 <Diablo-D3> the phatk array works somehow
 661 2011-08-13 12:24:58 <Diablo-D3> but its entirely too big
 662 2011-08-13 12:25:01 <cjdelisle> That explains why I found it slower when I used 16 int array instead of 64.
 663 2011-08-13 12:25:40 <Diablo-D3> cjdelisle: 64 is probably too big
 664 2011-08-13 12:25:41 <cjdelisle> what is phatk doing? using an array for each of A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H?
 665 2011-08-13 12:25:49 <Diablo-D3> an array for the Ws
 666 2011-08-13 12:26:12 <Diablo-D3> I redid the whole thing
 667 2011-08-13 12:26:16 <Diablo-D3> it now uses an array for everything
 668 2011-08-13 12:26:27 <Diablo-D3> there are 458 assignments done in my kernel
 669 2011-08-13 12:26:45 <cjdelisle> I checked the info from the output, it's not using nearly that much memory so there's some real magic going on in the compiler
 670 2011-08-13 12:26:49 <Diablo-D3> I transmuted all of them into a single array of 458
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 672 2011-08-13 12:27:08 <Diablo-D3> then I transmuted them into recycling "registers" that arent in use
 673 2011-08-13 12:27:11 <Diablo-D3> (ie, array indexes)
 674 2011-08-13 12:27:17 <Diablo-D3> and then applied those two rules
 675 2011-08-13 12:27:23 <Diablo-D3> I need at least 25 registers or I run out.
 676 2011-08-13 12:28:18 <cjdelisle> I think you can use boundless memory as long as you never reread it again after you write, read, are finished with it (at least with cuda).
 677 2011-08-13 12:28:30 <Diablo-D3> nope
 678 2011-08-13 12:28:33 <Diablo-D3> because this isnt memory
 679 2011-08-13 12:28:36 <Diablo-D3> read the opencl specification.
 680 2011-08-13 12:28:41 <Diablo-D3> it does NOT take arrays apart.
 681 2011-08-13 12:28:57 <Diablo-D3> these are usually mapped to actual hardware registers when there is room
 682 2011-08-13 12:29:55 <cjdelisle> mm cuda must not be complying because it has about 100 ints and it's surveiving on 60 registers.
 683 2011-08-13 12:30:16 <Diablo-D3> yes, it can spill out
 684 2011-08-13 12:30:18 <Diablo-D3> which is expensive
 685 2011-08-13 12:30:29 <Diablo-D3> I also dont particularly give a fuck what nvidia does
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 687 2011-08-13 12:31:55 <cjdelisle> /nod
 688 2011-08-13 12:32:27 <Diablo-D3> okay so with 16384 registers, 256 work items max, that gives me 64 registers
 689 2011-08-13 12:32:35 <cjdelisle> I only care about nvidia because that's what I have and mining isn't that interesting to me, I just like optimizing things.
 690 2011-08-13 12:32:49 <Diablo-D3> I use 2, and then the array is min size of 25
 691 2011-08-13 12:32:54 <Diablo-D3> so I can bump it to two
 692 2011-08-13 12:33:06 <erus`> turn it up to 11
 693 2011-08-13 12:33:13 <Diablo-D3> er
 694 2011-08-13 12:33:15 <Diablo-D3> to 30
 695 2011-08-13 12:33:30 <Diablo-D3> and then have half the register space free.
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 697 2011-08-13 12:34:36 <cjdelisle> why have half the register space free? doesn't it make more sense to use everything?
 698 2011-08-13 12:35:25 <Diablo-D3> nope.
 699 2011-08-13 12:35:34 <Diablo-D3> the compiler can do tricks
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 709 2011-08-13 13:05:04 <cuqa> hey, is there still this transaction bug when you send for example amount 1.2, that some bitcoins are lost ?
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 711 2011-08-13 13:11:29 <cuqa> or isnt this a bug at all. I once transfered 0.12 BTC and had a balance of 0.12719281 .. but my balance was then 0, it took 0.00719281 as transaction fee
 712 2011-08-13 13:11:56 <asher^> it happens if you are left with <0.01 i believe
 713 2011-08-13 13:13:14 <cuqa> ah okay
 714 2011-08-13 13:15:12 <cuqa> and how come bitcoin charges more transaction fees after some time
 715 2011-08-13 13:15:36 <cuqa> now I sended 0.0995000 BTC as test and it took 0.00999999 fee
 716 2011-08-13 13:17:29 <cuqa> with version 0.324
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 729 2011-08-13 13:29:22 <cuqa> could it be that when I set paytxfee=0.00000000, that bitcoind decides which fee it sends and if I set paytxfee=0.00050000, that it is fixed 0.0005 fee?
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 740 2011-08-13 13:53:10 <diki> was wondering
 741 2011-08-13 13:53:19 <diki> is it possible to make the client not wait for 120 confirms
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 747 2011-08-13 14:03:40 <Eliel> diki: I guess you mean for generated coins? I seem to remember that the client is hardcoded to not accept their use until 100 confirmations have passed.
 748 2011-08-13 14:05:56 <Graet> the 50btc + trans fee dont appear in my pools wallet till 120 confirms, i cover the last 20 and payout at 100
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 772 2011-08-13 15:16:02 <phungus> when designing an application around bitcoind, is it better to use the bitcoin wallet as a database for storing account balances per use, and just use the label to differentiate, or is it better to roll your own DB?
 773 2011-08-13 15:16:04 <yebyen> does anyone have gavin's tutorial on making an incompatible client stashed somewhere?
 774 2011-08-13 15:16:15 <phungus> s/use/user/
 775 2011-08-13 15:16:46 <yebyen> phungus: you don't want to receive the transactions yourself, do you?
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 777 2011-08-13 15:17:01 <phungus> well, I just want to keep track of user account balances
 778 2011-08-13 15:17:09 <phungus> and I figured that with a new receive address per user, it could do that
 779 2011-08-13 15:17:23 <phungus> but I'm unsure if that's a good way to go about it
 780 2011-08-13 15:17:34 <yebyen> i think the new bitcoin clients (i call it new if it's released less than 40000 blocks ago)
 781 2011-08-13 15:17:41 <yebyen> actually support assigning addresses to accounts
 782 2011-08-13 15:17:51 <tcatm> phungus: using bitcoin as a database has some problems. It would be a good idea to keep an ascii log of everything (incoming/outgoing transactions + moves between accounts)
 783 2011-08-13 15:17:56 <phungus> yeah, I thought that was part of the spec
 784 2011-08-13 15:18:03 <yebyen> right
 785 2011-08-13 15:18:05 <phungus> hmm
 786 2011-08-13 15:18:06 <phungus> ok
 787 2011-08-13 15:18:14 <yebyen> so, do you trust the accounts not to gain or lose money speciously
 788 2011-08-13 15:18:16 <phungus> so probably do the account logic in my own DB
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 790 2011-08-13 15:18:37 <phungus> hmm, I think I would trust them
 791 2011-08-13 15:18:42 <yebyen> you have no choice
 792 2011-08-13 15:18:44 <phungus> and if they gained money it would be ok
 793 2011-08-13 15:18:53 <tcatm> once you grow big (>1000 BTC in wallet) you should consider writing your own database so you don't have to keep all those coins "online"
 794 2011-08-13 15:19:00 <yebyen> but you should certainly detect it, if the money disappears, and generate an alert
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 796 2011-08-13 15:19:06 <phungus> yeah, that's a good thought tcatm
 797 2011-08-13 15:19:14 <yebyen> however you are managing alerts
 798 2011-08-13 15:19:35 <phungus> this is an IRC bot, so it's already getting complicated. :-)
 799 2011-08-13 15:19:49 <phungus> I'm not inventing anything except for the glue though
 800 2011-08-13 15:19:51 <yebyen> in that case it ought to get at least as complicated as event-reactor
 801 2011-08-13 15:20:27 <phungus> yeah, sounds like a DB is the best way to scale
 802 2011-08-13 15:20:57 <phungus> thx for the input
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 805 2011-08-13 15:22:05 <andyroo> use sqlite
 806 2011-08-13 15:22:11 <phungus> I am already
 807 2011-08-13 15:22:13 <phungus> :-)
 808 2011-08-13 15:22:18 <yebyen> does anyone work with H2?
 809 2011-08-13 15:22:37 <andyroo> haskell?
 810 2011-08-13 15:22:47 <phungus> We only speak LISP here
 811 2011-08-13 15:22:53 <phungus> :-)
 812 2011-08-13 15:23:14 <yebyen> it's a database, java rdbms
 813 2011-08-13 15:23:18 <yebyen> i guess you don't use it
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 815 2011-08-13 15:24:26 <andyroo> phungus, it would be nice to have a "standard" lib for sqlite wallets
 816 2011-08-13 15:24:37 <andyroo> and network interaction and all that
 817 2011-08-13 15:24:47 <andyroo> separate from any specific UI you have in mind
 818 2011-08-13 15:25:32 <phungus> hmm
 819 2011-08-13 15:25:41 <phungus> I'm working in Perl
 820 2011-08-13 15:25:56 <andyroo> damn, i was hoping for C..
 821 2011-08-13 15:25:58 <phungus> so nobody would probably be interested in that package from me. :-)
 822 2011-08-13 15:26:06 <andyroo> then you could have bindings for perl
 823 2011-08-13 15:26:08 <yebyen> what about ruby
 824 2011-08-13 15:26:13 <andyroo> and lisp, and haskell, and ruby and python
 825 2011-08-13 15:26:17 <phungus> so like a standard way for formatting the database and the methods
 826 2011-08-13 15:26:18 <phungus> hmm
 827 2011-08-13 15:26:22 <yebyen> how about a ruby/zookeeper implementation of a wallet
 828 2011-08-13 15:26:25 <yebyen> for distributed wallet operation
 829 2011-08-13 15:26:27 <phungus> zookeeper?
 830 2011-08-13 15:26:28 <phungus> ehha
 831 2011-08-13 15:26:31 <phungus> LOL
 832 2011-08-13 15:26:50 <andyroo> that way people who talk about making SMTP gateways and the like, have something to work from
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 834 2011-08-13 15:26:55 <phungus> yeah perl is at the bottom of everyone's list but it's what I know. :-)
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 836 2011-08-13 15:27:28 <andyroo> well, fair enough, don't let me discourage yo
 837 2011-08-13 15:27:33 <phungus> that does sound interesting though, because I can see how I'll have to re-invent a wheel to put it in SQL statements
 838 2011-08-13 15:27:51 <phungus> and then you need code to sync the bitcoin db with sqlite
 839 2011-08-13 15:28:02 <phungus> or at least do the checks?
 840 2011-08-13 15:28:17 <phungus> do you just use sqlite to map the bitcoin db and then call the getbalance to bitcoin?
 841 2011-08-13 15:28:27 <phungus> so many questions
 842 2011-08-13 15:28:45 <andyroo> i would store the keypairs in the db with a "last seen balance" and cache date
 843 2011-08-13 15:28:59 <andyroo> and that's it
 844 2011-08-13 15:29:11 <andyroo> everything else would have to ask the bitcoin network
 845 2011-08-13 15:29:51 <andyroo> i'd be hesitant to do any logic in sqlite, because it isn't designed for anything complex
 846 2011-08-13 15:29:52 <phungus> hmm, ok
 847 2011-08-13 15:30:04 <andyroo> mainly for storing music libraries and such
 848 2011-08-13 15:31:29 <andyroo> i think, for what i'm suggesting, we'd need to write up and API and discuss it before doing any implementation
 849 2011-08-13 15:31:39 <andyroo> which might be a much bigger scale that what you'd planned
 850 2011-08-13 15:31:46 <phungus> yeah, maybe
 851 2011-08-13 15:31:52 <phungus> I'm not a developer
 852 2011-08-13 15:31:54 <phungus> :-(
 853 2011-08-13 15:32:08 <phungus> would certainly love to learn more though
 854 2011-08-13 15:32:25 <phungus> have to run and be with kids since I've now been on IRC for 4 hours and 21 minutes. agh!
 855 2011-08-13 15:33:50 <andyroo> haha, seeya
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 933 2011-08-13 18:41:17 <CodeForFood> I'm programming with PHP and I got line "$bitcoin->sendtoaddress($_POST['addr'],(float)$amount);" but it sends only 0 + tx fee even when $amount is example 1. What is the problem? :(
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 943 2011-08-13 19:01:20 <Eliel> CodeForFood: 1) not really the channel for this 2) do you still have the problem? /msg me if you do, I'll see if I can help you figure it out.
 944 2011-08-13 19:01:55 <CodeForFood> what is the right channel then?
 945 2011-08-13 19:03:20 <Eliel> #php or something like that I guess.
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 947 2011-08-13 19:04:09 <neofutur> shouldnt the amount be an int ?
 948 2011-08-13 19:04:29 <Eliel> neofutur: that would depend on the php library he's using.
 949 2011-08-13 19:04:35 <CodeForFood> I have tried nearly everything, int returns [code] => -1 [message] => value is type bool, expected real
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 952 2011-08-13 19:04:50 <Eliel> but if it's sensibly made library, it really ought to take an int there.
 953 2011-08-13 19:05:14 <CodeForFood> I'm using lib made by  Copyright (c) 2011 Schalk Bower <schalk@hotmail.co.nz>, is that too old?
 954 2011-08-13 19:06:19 <Eliel> not a question of too old with that new library. More like, it might be an alpha release of the library
 955 2011-08-13 19:07:02 <CodeForFood> I tested now with sendtoaddress($_POST['addr'],0.01); and it works. Arrgghh
 956 2011-08-13 19:07:24 <Eliel> CodeForFood: well, then, something screws up $amount before it gets to that point in code.
 957 2011-08-13 19:07:49 <CodeForFood> yeh it looks like
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 959 2011-08-13 19:08:25 <Eliel> if things don't work the way you expect it to, always make sure the parameters it gets are what you expect.
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 961 2011-08-13 19:08:57 <CodeForFood> I get right value out of it just before that function
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 964 2011-08-13 19:10:07 <CodeForFood> and I have now converted it to all types (int, float....) and it only returns "value is type bool, expected real" and I don't really get what that means
 965 2011-08-13 19:10:35 <Habbie> for a website that only receives payments but never sends any, i could really use a bitcoind rpc setting that allows me to make readonly clients, is anyone aware of a patch for that?
 966 2011-08-13 19:11:26 <Habbie> like in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=19137.msg283624#msg283624
 967 2011-08-13 19:11:34 <Habbie> luke-jr, ^^ have you seen code for this?
 968 2011-08-13 19:14:22 <CodeForFood> lol now I don't get error but still sending 0 + tx fee -.-
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 970 2011-08-13 19:15:13 <Eliel> CodeForFood: if it's a string in the variable $amount, you might have to convert it with a proper conversion function to get it right.
 971 2011-08-13 19:15:46 <CodeForFood> If I convert it to anything else than float it returns that "value is type bool, expected real"
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 973 2011-08-13 19:16:49 <rickyC> Is this channel for the bitcoin client only, or any bitcoin related software?
 974 2011-08-13 19:17:05 <Habbie> rickyC, anything bitcoin-related that doesn't have a more specific channel. just ask your question :)
 975 2011-08-13 19:17:33 <Eliel> rickyC: it's a bit of a fuzzy line on what's acceptable. I expect it'll get defined more strictly as the channel gets more popular.
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 977 2011-08-13 19:20:00 <rickyC> I'm trying to use jsonrpc in php using ssl. After enabling ssl, do you still connect the same way? "$bitcoin = new jsonRPCClient('http://user:password@127.0.0.1:8332/');"
 978 2011-08-13 19:20:12 <Habbie> rickyC, #bitcoin-dev is for this question
 979 2011-08-13 19:20:26 <Habbie> oh oops
 980 2011-08-13 19:20:30 <Habbie> this is #bitcoin-dev ;)
 981 2011-08-13 19:20:42 <Habbie> just ignore my other line too
 982 2011-08-13 19:21:07 <Habbie> rickyC, my guess would be https instead of http
 983 2011-08-13 19:23:16 <rickyC> It seem to work for me. "Exception: Unable to connect to https://user:pw@192.168.1.19:8332/ in XX\www\jsonRPCClient.php on line 140"
 984 2011-08-13 19:23:34 <Eliel> rickyC: also, that question is directly related to bitcoin client :)
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 990 2011-08-13 19:28:45 <vegard> any bitcoinjs developers here?
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 992 2011-08-13 19:33:12 <neofutur> rickyC: perhaps you have a firewall blocking the port ?
 993 2011-08-13 19:33:31 <Habbie> rickyC, did it work with http: before you enabled ssl?
 994 2011-08-13 19:33:32 <neofutur> rickyC: try it on your browser too
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 996 2011-08-13 19:34:20 <rickyC> It worked before ssl, and "openssl s_client -connect localhost:8332" works on the host
 997 2011-08-13 19:34:45 <Habbie> does s_client work from the host you're doing your php on?
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1001 2011-08-13 19:40:07 <CodeForFood> Got my script working, added $amount+0.000000000001, lol
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1003 2011-08-13 19:43:53 <rickyC> I get "CONNECTED(000000D8)".
1004 2011-08-13 19:45:18 <rickyC> Im running wamp as a test server. Does apache or php need https settings enabled first? I didn't copy any .cert yet either
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1022 2011-08-13 20:27:15 <Eliel> http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/08/google-officially-announces-cc.php
1023 2011-08-13 20:27:38 <Eliel> well, there it is... bitcoin for the browser... at least, that should make it _really simple_.
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1026 2011-08-13 20:33:39 <ThomasV> Eliel: and really insecure ?
1027 2011-08-13 20:34:18 <Eliel> ThomasV: depends on the implementation.
1028 2011-08-13 20:34:23 <Habbie> programming language is hardly the hurdle
1029 2011-08-13 20:34:57 <ThomasV> "hi guys. try the bitcoin client implemented on my homepage :-) "
1030 2011-08-13 20:35:17 <ThomasV> (the server is in russia)
1031 2011-08-13 20:35:18 <Eliel> ThomasV: yes, that's an example of insecure implementation
1032 2011-08-13 20:35:52 <luke-jr> Habbie: not yet
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1034 2011-08-13 20:36:20 <Habbie> luke-jr, ah - thanks for letting me know :)
1035 2011-08-13 20:36:30 <Eliel> what I'm more interested in, though, is that if/when firefox gets the plugin, it could allow writing firefox plugins with C/C++ then.
1036 2011-08-13 20:38:19 <ThomasV> Eliel: how are firefox plugins currently xritten ?
1037 2011-08-13 20:38:30 <ThomasV> *written*
1038 2011-08-13 20:38:40 <Habbie> C/C++ :)
1039 2011-08-13 20:39:01 <Eliel> oh, I thought they were written with XUL :P
1040 2011-08-13 20:39:03 <Habbie> i'm guessing Eliel meant addons
1041 2011-08-13 20:39:03 <b4epoche_> does the browser grab a binary?
1042 2011-08-13 20:39:08 <Habbie> addons are written in XUL
1043 2011-08-13 20:39:32 <Eliel> ah, yes, I meant addons
1044 2011-08-13 20:40:04 <ThomasV> xul is just for the ui
1045 2011-08-13 20:40:20 <b4epoche_> so, essentially you write an app that uses HTML for the UI?
1046 2011-08-13 20:40:35 <luke-jr> down with NaCL!
1047 2011-08-13 20:40:42 <Habbie> ThomasV, XUL+JS indeed, then
1048 2011-08-13 20:41:06 <ThomasV> there's even xul+python
1049 2011-08-13 20:41:13 <b4epoche_> and the browser graps a binary (platform specific?) and runs it dynamically linked to the UI stuff?
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1051 2011-08-13 20:42:05 <phantomcircuit> Eliel, that article doesn't load
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1053 2011-08-13 20:42:18 <phantomcircuit> is that the crap about chrome running x86 binaries
1054 2011-08-13 20:42:26 <Eliel> phantomcircuit: loads for me
1055 2011-08-13 20:43:43 <Eliel> phantomcircuit: I don't think it's using x86 binaries internally but they've made a C/C++ compiler that compiles into format their the new Beta Chrome can run.
1056 2011-08-13 20:44:14 <phantomcircuit> lol the dude in the video is awkward as fuck
1057 2011-08-13 20:44:19 <phantomcircuit> i love that they use engineers
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1059 2011-08-13 20:45:25 <Habbie> Eliel, nacl binaries are a subset of x86 binaries, actually
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1061 2011-08-13 20:46:25 <phantomcircuit> yeah im guessing they're basically taking their javascript JIT engine and have changed it to use c/c++
1062 2011-08-13 20:46:54 <Habbie> phantomcircuit, that's not even close to true
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1066 2011-08-13 20:50:01 <Eliel> phantomcircuit: the compiler they're providing is a modified GCC
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1068 2011-08-13 20:50:48 <b4epoche_> sounds like they're basically using the browser as the UI environment
1069 2011-08-13 20:50:51 <phantomcircuit> Habbie, well godo thing i said guess
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1073 2011-08-13 20:51:35 <Habbie> phantomcircuit, :)
1074 2011-08-13 20:52:15 <Eliel> this is one of the more concrete steps towards detaching programs from individual computers.
1075 2011-08-13 20:52:31 <b4epoche_> 2a.	Create a user interface using HTML, JavaScript, and CSS.
1076 2011-08-13 20:52:41 <b4epoche_> step 2a doesn't sound good
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1081 2011-08-13 21:00:25 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
1082 2011-08-13 21:00:25 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 21 hours, 58 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> (when I wasn't enjoying the beach...)
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1084 2011-08-13 21:07:12 <BlueMatt> b4epoche_: the whole idea is that you do everything you can in html/js/css and then just the really perf-critical stuff gets dropped to native code so...bitcoin doesnt really fit
1085 2011-08-13 21:07:27 <BlueMatt> (and hopefully they block access to just about everything)
1086 2011-08-13 21:09:02 <b4epoche_> so, it's kinda the opposite of using the browser as the UI…  you just call compiled libraries when you need speed.
1087 2011-08-13 21:09:31 <b4epoche_> like writing some assembly code for your C app but one level up?
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1094 2011-08-13 21:25:50 <BlueMatt> essentially
1095 2011-08-13 21:26:23 <BlueMatt> its a good idea if, like google, you think everything should be done in a browser
1096 2011-08-13 21:27:29 <BlueMatt> b4epoche_: if, like everyone else, you think native apps have a purpose, it has no use case
1097 2011-08-13 21:29:38 <b4epoche_> honestly, I'd rather have seen them going the other way as I thought they might have
1098 2011-08-13 21:29:53 <BlueMatt> other way meaning?
1099 2011-08-13 21:30:15 <b4epoche_> basically the broswer as the UI
1100 2011-08-13 21:30:22 <BlueMatt> the browser is the ui here
1101 2011-08-13 21:30:27 <b4epoche_> instead of what sounds like calling binaries from javascript
1102 2011-08-13 21:30:33 <BlueMatt> the goal is to replace perf-critical js with c/c++
1103 2011-08-13 21:30:40 <b4epoche_> no, the browser as the ui api
1104 2011-08-13 21:30:48 <BlueMatt> ah, interesting
1105 2011-08-13 21:31:05 <BlueMatt> so...run everything in C++ and just call browser libs for ui instead of gtk...
1106 2011-08-13 21:31:13 <b4epoche_> yepper
1107 2011-08-13 21:31:34 <BlueMatt> mm, well that would pretty much defeat the purpose of using a browser at all
1108 2011-08-13 21:31:56 <b4epoche_> well, isn't that what google wants anyway?  ui = os?
1109 2011-08-13 21:32:00 <b4epoche_> damn it
1110 2011-08-13 21:32:05 <b4epoche_> browser = os
1111 2011-08-13 21:32:07 <BlueMatt> yea
1112 2011-08-13 21:32:24 <BlueMatt> well that would replace html, js, and css and replace it with libchromerender
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1114 2011-08-13 21:32:40 <BlueMatt> so...its not really the web anymore
1115 2011-08-13 21:33:07 <b4epoche_> no, not really…  but what is the web anyway?
1116 2011-08-13 21:33:21 <BlueMatt> hehe, well that does open an entirely new can of worms doesnt it
1117 2011-08-13 21:33:31 <b4epoche_> I mean every api out there makes it almost trivial to connect to services of the network anyway
1118 2011-08-13 21:33:47 <b4epoche_> s/of/on
1119 2011-08-13 21:35:29 <b4epoche_> and so many apps essentially use 'webviews' anyway, it's hard to know sometimes what's being grabbed from a server and what's stored locally
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1142 2011-08-13 22:32:45 <eps> ;;bc,stats
1143 2011-08-13 22:32:47 <gribble> Current Blocks: 140850 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 269 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 26 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1819602.56609019
1144 2011-08-13 22:32:52 <eps> ;;bc,mtgox
1145 2011-08-13 22:32:52 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":10.05,"low":9.28,"avg":9.639486416,"vwap":9.723660143,"vol":25025,"last":9.8,"buy":9.78481,"sell":9.8}}
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1177 2011-08-13 23:18:55 <OneFixt> is thre a way to force bitcoind to re-send a tx?
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1181 2011-08-13 23:21:12 <OneFixt> re-broadcast i should say
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