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   3 2011-08-15 00:02:13 <gribble> 22 hours, 19 minutes, and 51 seconds
   4 2011-08-15 00:02:23 <owowo> ;;bc,diffchange
   5 2011-08-15 00:02:24 <gribble> -3.90429999602 % estimated difficulty change this period
   6 2011-08-15 00:02:46 <owowo> ;;bc,estimate
   7 2011-08-15 00:02:47 <gribble> 1815042.80609078
   8 2011-08-15 00:05:43 <chinaskibit> ;;bc,diff
   9 2011-08-15 00:05:44 <gribble> 1888786.7053531
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  20 2011-08-15 00:20:24 <Cory> In what file are the transactions which are shown in the client stored?
  21 2011-08-15 00:21:08 <luke-jr> all transctions are stored in blk*
  22 2011-08-15 00:21:12 <tcatm> blk0001.dat and wallet.dat
  23 2011-08-15 00:21:38 <luke-jr> tcatm: wallet.dat has a copy, or just the txid?
  24 2011-08-15 00:21:48 <tcatm> copy
  25 2011-08-15 00:23:21 <tcatm> 0 confirmations tx are shown in the client but aren't in blk0001.dat yet :)
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  27 2011-08-15 00:23:52 <Cory> That's exactly what I'm talking about, heh. I have a stuck transaction and I'm trying to invalidate it.
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  29 2011-08-15 00:27:13 <Maged> Either use an old backup of your wallet (you have one, right?) or follow this guide: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35214.0
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  35 2011-08-15 00:34:14 <Cory> Used an old backup; thanks!
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  40 2011-08-15 00:37:59 <Maged> No problem
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  46 2011-08-15 01:21:27 <Kireji> can anyone explain why blockexplorer and my bitcoin client disagree?  see for example this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0m8rMf12
  47 2011-08-15 01:21:45 <Kireji> my client says that address has one amount, but block explorer says it has a different amount
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  49 2011-08-15 01:22:44 <tcatm> Kireji: does your client have all ;;bc,blocks ?
  50 2011-08-15 01:22:52 <Kireji> yes
  51 2011-08-15 01:22:59 <tcatm> that's strange
  52 2011-08-15 01:23:01 <Kireji> and these transactions are 4K blocks ago
  53 2011-08-15 01:23:02 <Plasma-> Kireji, looks okay I think?
  54 2011-08-15 01:23:13 <Plasma-> look at 'amount' on the blockexplorer page
  55 2011-08-15 01:23:23 <Kireji> looking
  56 2011-08-15 01:23:27 <Plasma-> I think your txn of 0.00469555 is amongst other transactions, and that block's total includes other peoples transactions that arent yours
  57 2011-08-15 01:23:44 <Plasma-> under the 'ledger' heading
  58 2011-08-15 01:23:54 <Kireji> yes
  59 2011-08-15 01:24:04 <Kireji> but I read that as 3 transcations for this address
  60 2011-08-15 01:24:38 <Kireji> 0.03536172, 0.16063294, and 0.00469555 fora total of 0.20069021
  61 2011-08-15 01:24:44 <Kireji> correct?
  62 2011-08-15 01:25:08 <Kireji> each one of those 3 show 1Jk8iHy33 is the recieved address
  63 2011-08-15 01:25:13 <Kireji> ei
  64 2011-08-15 01:25:26 <Plasma-> im not that familiar with blockexporer sorry.. but I notice http://blockexplorer.com/q that theres: addressbalance - shows received BTC minus sent BTC for an address. Do not use this unless you know what you are doing: it does not do what you might expect.
  65 2011-08-15 01:25:34 <Plasma-> "does not do what you might expect" perhaps thats what your seeing here
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  67 2011-08-15 01:28:22 <Kireji> hmmm
  68 2011-08-15 01:28:28 <Kireji> that doesn't seem very satisfying
  69 2011-08-15 01:28:35 <Kireji> there seems to be something else going on
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  71 2011-08-15 01:28:59 <Kireji> when I do bitcoin getbalance, it lists 0.20069021
  72 2011-08-15 01:29:24 <Kireji> it seems like there is some kind of bug, or perhaps I'm just not reading my client correctly, I don't know
  73 2011-08-15 01:34:09 <TuxBlackEdo> What does mining software hash? Does it first get all un-redeemed transactions and then hash it along with the "bitcoin header" and your own private key, and if the hash's decimal value is less then current difficulty it just generates a new private key (therefore getting a new hash to test)?
  74 2011-08-15 01:34:16 <TuxBlackEdo> is that the basic idea?
  75 2011-08-15 01:34:51 <Plasma-> Kireji, I dont want to steer you in the wrong direction, maybe #bitcoin knows or post on btc talk forums?
  76 2011-08-15 01:34:56 <TuxBlackEdo> and what is the bitcoin header?
  77 2011-08-15 01:35:07 <TuxBlackEdo> or blockchain header
  78 2011-08-15 01:35:34 <TuxBlackEdo> does it change everytime the network is on a new block?
  79 2011-08-15 01:35:36 <Kireji> Plasma-: ok, thanks
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  82 2011-08-15 01:39:23 <tcatm> TuxBlackEdo: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_hashing_algorithm
  83 2011-08-15 01:39:46 <TuxBlackEdo> oh sweet thanks
  84 2011-08-15 01:43:42 <TuxBlackEdo> i gotta figure out what merkle_root is
  85 2011-08-15 01:44:46 <tcatm> the root hash of the merkle tree of all transactions
  86 2011-08-15 01:45:09 <tcatm> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#Merkle_Trees
  87 2011-08-15 01:48:43 <TuxBlackEdo> thanks
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  89 2011-08-15 01:50:06 <chinaskibit> So I asked Randal Schwartz from FLOSS weekly to interview one of you guys(bitcoin devs), and he said it would be difficult because you're all anon.
  90 2011-08-15 01:50:20 <chinaskibit> Would any of you speak to him?
  91 2011-08-15 01:51:09 <andyroo> try #bitcoin-dev
  92 2011-08-15 01:51:26 <andyroo> oh, that's where i am.. nvr mind
  93 2011-08-15 01:51:34 <chinaskibit> Nice troll
  94 2011-08-15 01:52:22 <tcatm> chinaskibit: Most of us aren't anon.
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  96 2011-08-15 01:52:29 <chinaskibit> That was my feeling
  97 2011-08-15 01:52:34 <tcatm> There are email addresses on bitcoin.org
  98 2011-08-15 01:52:51 <chinaskibit> He's not the most informed person, but his show has a large audience
  99 2011-08-15 01:53:22 <tcatm> But we are all a bit busy so some press requests might be not get answered
 100 2011-08-15 01:54:03 <chinaskibit> Understandable, should I quit poking my nose around or is there someone's email I can give him?
 101 2011-08-15 01:55:10 <tcatm> It's best if he CCs to all listed addresses. If he has interesting questions he'll likely get an answer :)
 102 2011-08-15 01:55:45 <b4epoche_> chinaskibit:  you talking live interview?
 103 2011-08-15 01:56:02 <chinaskibit> yes sir, or mam
 104 2011-08-15 01:56:21 <b4epoche_> yea, that's what I thought…  just audio or a/v?
 105 2011-08-15 01:56:26 <chinaskibit> Audio
 106 2011-08-15 01:56:44 <b4epoche_> so, just needs to be well spoken and not necessarily good looking...
 107 2011-08-15 01:56:51 <chinaskibit> Lol, yeah
 108 2011-08-15 01:57:01 <b4epoche_> nanotube might fit the bill ;-)
 109 2011-08-15 01:57:12 <TuxBlackEdo> chinaskibit: email@onlyonetv.com or call 1-646-580-0020 and ask to speak with bruce wagner
 110 2011-08-15 01:57:55 <tcatm> bruce is not a bitcoin dev
 111 2011-08-15 01:57:59 <chinaskibit> lol
 112 2011-08-15 01:58:04 <TuxBlackEdo> does he need a bitcoin dev?
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 114 2011-08-15 01:58:19 <b4epoche_> maybe we can program gribble to be the bitcoin spokesbot
 115 2011-08-15 01:58:26 <TuxBlackEdo> hehe
 116 2011-08-15 01:59:34 <tcatm> I think a bitcoin dev (or anyone familiar with the technical details) would fit FLOSS Weekly better.
 117 2011-08-15 02:01:11 <chinaskibit> Well I politely informed him that not all devs are anon
 118 2011-08-15 02:01:24 <chinaskibit> And to check out the irc/bitcoin.org
 119 2011-08-15 02:02:08 <chinaskibit> are not*
 120 2011-08-15 02:02:11 <chinaskibit> sorry my bad
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 124 2011-08-15 02:05:40 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * 41e97328dc8c r21 /src/main/java/com/shadworld/poolserver/entity/ (UniquePortionString.java Work.java): - UniqueDataPortiton.equals not comparing properly. preventing hashmap lookups making valid work submits report as unknown.
 125 2011-08-15 02:05:41 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * 7f1794c6244d r22 /src/main/java/com/shadworld/poolserver/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
 126 2011-08-15 02:05:41 <CIA-101> poolserverj: - fix for accidentally hardcoding our_result = false
 127 2011-08-15 02:05:41 <CIA-101> poolserverj:  - enabled reporting winning share to blockchaintracker which enables notifyBlockChangeMethod to report if the block was won or not.
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 137 2011-08-15 02:32:19 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * b8ced500a262 r23 /changelog.txt: 0.2.7 changelog
 138 2011-08-15 02:32:19 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * f2d327a9c472 r24 /.hgtags: Added tag 0.2.7 for changeset b8ced500a262
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 142 2011-08-15 02:45:47 <nanotube> b4epoche_: volunteering me for interviews? :)
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 144 2011-08-15 02:47:40 <Graet> only audio ones nanotube ;)
 145 2011-08-15 02:48:37 <nanotube> hehe
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 147 2011-08-15 02:53:03 <b4epoche_> yea, no video for nanotube
 148 2011-08-15 02:53:18 <Graet> I pay btc to anyone that gives my pool favourable publicity in interviews
 149 2011-08-15 02:53:18 <Graet> >.>
 150 2011-08-15 02:53:18 <Graet> <.<
 151 2011-08-15 02:53:23 <Graet> j/k
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 153 2011-08-15 02:53:48 <b4epoche_> and what pool is that?
 154 2011-08-15 02:54:08 <Graet> ozco.in
 155 2011-08-15 02:54:11 <nefario> this doods pool was pretty good
 156 2011-08-15 02:54:16 <nefario> clean water
 157 2011-08-15 02:54:18 <nefario> now
 158 2011-08-15 02:54:19 <nefario> payup
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 160 2011-08-15 02:54:39 <b4epoche_> I don't swim in your toilet, please don't piss in my pool
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 162 2011-08-15 03:00:59 <Graet> good call
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 164 2011-08-15 03:08:56 <andyroo> !ticker
 165 2011-08-15 03:09:16 <andyroo> ;;ticker
 166 2011-08-15 03:09:27 <gribble> Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
 167 2011-08-15 03:10:27 <andyroo> !ticker
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 169 2011-08-15 03:11:26 <andyroo> ;;ticker
 170 2011-08-15 03:11:27 <gribble> Best bid: 11.03, Best ask: 11.088, Bid-ask spread: 0.058, Last trade: 11.0014, 24 hour volume: 42532, 24 hour low: 9.62, 24 hour high: 11.24
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 177 2011-08-15 03:21:12 <upb> hrm, is there a way to embed a public key into a gpg clearsigned message ?
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 179 2011-08-15 03:21:35 <upb> wondering whther theres any way to exploit this heh
 180 2011-08-15 03:21:36 <upb>     if(strpos($buf,"Good signature from \"MyBitcoin LLC (SCI Verification Key) <nobody@mybitcoin.com>\"")>0) return true; //signature is authentic
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 182 2011-08-15 03:21:58 <nanotube> upb: yes, you can ebmed anything into the message you're clearsigning. and no, that doesn't change anything
 183 2011-08-15 03:22:33 <nanotube> unless you do something silly like validating the result by grepping the output for string :P
 184 2011-08-15 03:22:33 <upb> lol sure
 185 2011-08-15 03:22:44 <andyroo> major action on gox, hit 11.45
 186 2011-08-15 03:22:50 <andyroo> ;;ticker
 187 2011-08-15 03:22:50 <upb> i was hoping you could embed the public key so it would be used
 188 2011-08-15 03:22:51 <gribble> Best bid: 11.5, Best ask: 11.54999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04999, Last trade: 11.5, 24 hour volume: 46251, 24 hour low: 9.62, 24 hour high: 11.54999
 189 2011-08-15 03:22:58 <upb> because with this you could do stuff like
 190 2011-08-15 03:22:58 <upb> gpg: BAD signature from "Good signature from "MyBitcoin LLC (SCI Verification Key) <nobody@mybitcoin.com>"
 191 2011-08-15 03:23:08 <upb> if the key was known it would pass
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 193 2011-08-15 03:28:49 <Backburn> someone found a huge memory bug in the bitcoin server: bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37182.0
 194 2011-08-15 03:30:57 <upb> :)
 195 2011-08-15 03:31:25 <asher^> what is the likely issue if bitcoind does not respond to a getinfo request but responds to other requests?
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 200 2011-08-15 03:41:35 <doublec> you probably don't have the full blockchain
 201 2011-08-15 03:41:39 <doublec> and it's still downloading
 202 2011-08-15 03:41:58 <asher^> yeah it stopped getting it.. i think because i got an invalid block
 203 2011-08-15 03:41:59 <asher^> :(
 204 2011-08-15 03:43:33 <nanotube> upb: good code actually checks for actual gpg status codes and key id, rather than parsing strings.
 205 2011-08-15 03:43:39 <upb> yep
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 207 2011-08-15 03:50:34 <accel> can a standard dual core cpu
 208 2011-08-15 03:50:41 <accel> do 1Million  sha256 hashes / second?
 209 2011-08-15 03:51:09 <RealSolid> do you need a botnet mining calculator?
 210 2011-08-15 03:52:20 <nanotube> accel: yes
 211 2011-08-15 03:52:22 <accel> a botnet minign calculator would be nice
 212 2011-08-15 03:52:25 <accel> but I would prefer a botnet instead
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 214 2011-08-15 03:53:56 <upb> you didnt answer tho, is it or is it not possible to embed the signing public key into the clearsigned message_
 215 2011-08-15 03:54:01 <upb> nanotube:
 216 2011-08-15 03:54:26 <nanotube> upb: i did answer you. <nanotube> upb: yes, you can ebmed anything into the message you're clearsigning.
 217 2011-08-15 03:54:38 <nanotube> an ascii-armored public key is just data
 218 2011-08-15 03:54:41 <nanotube> you can clearsign any data
 219 2011-08-15 03:54:47 <upb> obviously i'm asking about embedding it in a way that it would get used
 220 2011-08-15 03:54:48 <nanotube> ergo, you can include your public key into the data
 221 2011-08-15 03:55:17 <nanotube> if you mean by getting it "used automagically by gpg when verifying signature" then i believe the answer is 'no'
 222 2011-08-15 03:55:23 <upb> ok
 223 2011-08-15 03:55:42 <nanotube> but i'm not 100pct sure in that regard
 224 2011-08-15 03:56:00 <nanotube> that said, just embedding it should be sufficient to let a user import it and then use it.
 225 2011-08-15 03:56:07 <upb> imo there would be nothing 'magic' in it, its standard practise in xmldsig etc
 226 2011-08-15 03:56:09 <nanotube> in a more manual fashion (or via a script)
 227 2011-08-15 03:56:21 <upb> i'm just not familiar with gpg :)
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 229 2011-08-15 03:57:53 <sacarlson> ;;bc,calcd 280 0.062
 230 2011-08-15 03:57:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 280 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.062, is 15 minutes and 51 seconds
 231 2011-08-15 03:58:52 <nanotube> upb: something like grep -P <regexp to look for start and end of public key headers and grab everything in between> signaturefile | gpg --import && gpg --verify signaturefile
 232 2011-08-15 03:58:54 <nanotube> should do it
 233 2011-08-15 03:59:20 <upb> sure, but thats not applicable in this case
 234 2011-08-15 03:59:21 <accel> does bitcoin addresses use rsa or elgamal?
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 239 2011-08-15 04:01:46 <sacarlson> ;;bc,calcd 280 0.010
 240 2011-08-15 04:01:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 280 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.010, is 2 minutes and 33 seconds
 241 2011-08-15 04:02:05 <nanotube> upb: what case is that? i guess i don't really know what you're asking this for :)
 242 2011-08-15 04:02:16 <upb> oh
 243 2011-08-15 04:02:23 <upb> 15 06:15 < upb> wondering whther theres any way to exploit this heh
 244 2011-08-15 04:02:23 <upb> 15 06:15 < upb>     if(strpos($buf,"Good signature from \"MyBitcoin LLC (SCI Verification Key) <nobody@mybitcoin.com>\"")>0) return true; //signature is authentic
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 246 2011-08-15 04:03:15 <nanotube> upb: what's in $buf ?
 247 2011-08-15 04:03:27 <upb> it does gpg --verify and buf is the stdout and stderr concatenated
 248 2011-08-15 04:03:46 <Plasma-> upb, id look at the manual page for the app (pgp?) your calling, surely you can find out if the key is valid etc programatically
 249 2011-08-15 04:03:48 <Plasma-> (ie without parsing)
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 251 2011-08-15 04:04:05 <upb> right, this is not my code but mybitcoin.coms
 252 2011-08-15 04:04:08 <Plasma-> also, never any harm in testing your theory (ie try and includea message in $buf)
 253 2011-08-15 04:04:12 <Plasma-> ah right
 254 2011-08-15 04:04:15 <Plasma-> link ?
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 256 2011-08-15 04:04:41 <upb> mbc-sci-toolkit-1.2.tar.bz2 , dunno the url
 257 2011-08-15 04:05:45 <Plasma-> oh, is this the sites source code (that got exploited)?
 258 2011-08-15 04:07:28 <nanotube> upb: ah well... assuming you don't do any automatic key imports or refreshes, and know exactly what keys in your keyring have which uids, should be fine. otherwise, any number of keys can have the same uid.
 259 2011-08-15 04:07:49 <upb> i see
 260 2011-08-15 04:08:41 <nanotube> e.g., you could make one with uid of "MyBitcoin LLC (SCI Verification Key) <nobody@mybitcoin.com>" yourself, if you wanted to.
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 354 2011-08-15 08:07:37 <Joric> wtf i went from vacation just to find out mybitcoin is bancrupt
 355 2011-08-15 08:07:49 <Joric> lost 51% of my entire savings
 356 2011-08-15 08:08:10 <jeremias> :(
 357 2011-08-15 08:08:15 <jeremias> never trust e-wallets
 358 2011-08-15 08:08:35 <jeremias> best place to store your bitcoins is on your hard drive encrypted
 359 2011-08-15 08:08:44 <jeremias> and backups in dropbox or something
 360 2011-08-15 08:09:08 <Joric> i thought it would survive 2 weeks
 361 2011-08-15 08:09:10 <Joric> but no
 362 2011-08-15 08:10:11 <gjs278> I thought mtgox bought them and assumed the debt
 363 2011-08-15 08:10:41 <Joric> looks like they only refund 49% currently
 364 2011-08-15 08:10:46 <gjs278> oh
 365 2011-08-15 08:10:51 <gjs278> they bought
 366 2011-08-15 08:10:53 <gjs278> bitomat.pl
 367 2011-08-15 08:10:54 <gjs278> not mybitcoin
 368 2011-08-15 08:10:59 <gjs278> be polish next time I guess
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 370 2011-08-15 08:13:08 <ThomasV> Joric: you still have 49%, you should be happy
 371 2011-08-15 08:13:33 <mabus> best place to store your wallet is with me
 372 2011-08-15 08:13:34 <ThomasV> and praise tom williams for he is good
 373 2011-08-15 08:14:12 <jeremias> if you want secure storage for your wallet, jsut send it to me
 374 2011-08-15 08:14:15 <Joric> hope he tore the SCI programmer's ass to pieces
 375 2011-08-15 08:14:16 <jeremias> i will secure it
 376 2011-08-15 08:14:17 <gjs278> I've had 20 coins jacked from me during a bad trade but the guy ended up being fired because I figured out his work email
 377 2011-08-15 08:14:29 <gjs278> and his boss made him pay back 4 of the coins
 378 2011-08-15 08:15:31 <Joric> unless he programmed it himself
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 380 2011-08-15 08:16:12 <ThomasV> he probably did everything himself
 381 2011-08-15 08:16:30 <ThomasV> the website, the press release, perhaps even the scam
 382 2011-08-15 08:17:39 <Joric> what a bright guy
 383 2011-08-15 08:18:49 <ThomasV> well, actually I do not think he is the thief, but I would not bet on it
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 390 2011-08-15 08:25:47 <Joric> how close is it to calling this a perfect crime?
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 392 2011-08-15 08:26:30 <cacheson> Joric: not as perfect as you might think
 393 2011-08-15 08:27:14 <cacheson> some folks worked pretty hard at tracking him down, came very close but fell short of concrete proof that the guy they found was actually tom williams
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 395 2011-08-15 08:29:21 <ThomasV> cacheson: who ?
 396 2011-08-15 08:29:46 <ThomasV> cacheson: how did they track him ?
 397 2011-08-15 08:29:51 <cacheson> http://bitcoin.crimeunit.net/wiki/index.php/MyBitcoin
 398 2011-08-15 08:30:32 <Joric> hehe "bitcoin police"
 399 2011-08-15 08:30:45 <ThomasV> did somebody investigate the blockchain ?
 400 2011-08-15 08:31:19 <Joric> bitcoin squad, starring Leslie Nielsen
 401 2011-08-15 08:31:27 <mabus> too soon
 402 2011-08-15 08:31:29 <cacheson> ThomasV: not sure, I don't think there was much to go on
 403 2011-08-15 08:31:30 <mabus> RIP
 404 2011-08-15 08:31:49 <mabus> ThomasVV
 405 2011-08-15 08:31:58 <mabus> AMONG US
 406 2011-08-15 08:32:16 <cacheson> tom williams did contact them and did some transfers to prove that he still controlled a significant number of the coins
 407 2011-08-15 08:32:40 <cacheson> Joric: yeah, I thought it sounded kinda silly, but they seemed to get decent results
 408 2011-08-15 08:32:50 <ThomasV> yes, but the stolen coins should be tracked in the blockchain
 409 2011-08-15 08:33:19 <cacheson> they'd need tom's help with that, I think
 410 2011-08-15 08:33:24 <ThomasV> no
 411 2011-08-15 08:33:37 <ThomasV> they need to provide addresses
 412 2011-08-15 08:34:14 <cacheson> for all I know they're still working on it
 413 2011-08-15 08:34:34 <cacheson> I stopped following the situation once the claims site went up
 414 2011-08-15 08:34:52 <ThomasV> I'm going to setup a blockexplorer clone, where you can track stolen coins
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 424 2011-08-15 08:48:30 <tcatm> Joric: try bbe: http://blockexplorer.com/rawblock/00000000000004cdf0443fc9070e755c01739d7c1ff83fc0d819803b25095862
 425 2011-08-15 08:49:01 <Joric> yeah looks like the cheapest solution is to upload most of the blockchain manually then download remaining from the blockexplorer
 426 2011-08-15 08:49:48 <Joric> not very nice, but working
 427 2011-08-15 08:50:03 <ThomasV> Joric: did you try abe ?
 428 2011-08-15 08:50:23 <ThomasV> it is slow, but it creates a relational database
 429 2011-08-15 08:50:39 <Joric> i mentioned GAE, not a regular hosting
 430 2011-08-15 08:51:07 <kreal-> ;;seen Myckel
 431 2011-08-15 08:51:07 <gribble> Myckel was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 15 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 57 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Myckel> I mean very short term (like in next hour)
 432 2011-08-15 08:51:16 <kreal-> meh
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 439 2011-08-15 09:16:18 <makomk> Ant idea what happened to http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37182.0? Are the forum admins deleting information about Bitcoin bugs now?
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 441 2011-08-15 09:17:42 <tcatm> makomk: what was is about?
 442 2011-08-15 09:18:42 <makomk> Supposedly about a memory bug of some kind in Bitcoin; I didn't manage to actually read it.
 443 2011-08-15 09:19:31 <doublec> makomk: it was a picture of an insect in a computer
 444 2011-08-15 09:19:45 <doublec> makomk: ie. a joke
 445 2011-08-15 09:20:28 <makomk> Ah. I do wish the forum moderators wouldn't do that; it's impossible to tell it's a joke if it's been deleted, and since they deleted the (genuine!) post about the Mt Gox password database being deleted...
 446 2011-08-15 09:20:53 <makomk> Database being leaked, even.
 447 2011-08-15 09:23:28 <tcatm> makomk: important stuff is discussed on the mailinglist
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 470 2011-08-15 10:16:56 <gribble> Current Blocks: 141053 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 66 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 27 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1816506.16336241
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 508 2011-08-15 11:41:25 <Paas__> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=4137.0
 509 2011-08-15 11:41:33 <Paas__> guys, i got the same problem as this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=4137.0 i cant find my wallet.dat. i installt bitcoin on my other user account first, and there i can a find the folder but now i installt bitcoin again on another user account to make a new wallet and there is no folder.. someone??
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 518 2011-08-15 11:57:23 <Paas__> Sreynich-Sins-MacBook-Pro:~ jasperpaas$ ln -s /Volumes/Sony_8GP/Bitcoin_Backup.dmg ~/Users/jasperpaas/Library/Application\ Support/Bitcoin\
 519 2011-08-15 11:57:36 <Paas__> hey guys i just typed this in terminal to symlink my backup to my application, i didnt get any respond back from the terminal does this mean it worked?
 520 2011-08-15 11:58:02 <Paas__> can someone help me with this please?
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 524 2011-08-15 12:08:20 <Paas__> [6:51pm] Paas__: hey guys i just typed this in terminal to symlink my backup to my
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 560 2011-08-15 13:12:34 <asher^> im compiling bitcoind, its been stuck on main.cpp for 5-10 mins. is that usual, or is it likely that its frozen?
 561 2011-08-15 13:15:02 <doublec> sounds frozen
 562 2011-08-15 13:15:16 <asher^> heh it just ticked over to the next file
 563 2011-08-15 13:15:25 <asher^> doing this on a small instance, its probably why
 564 2011-08-15 13:15:55 <doublec> you haven't hit the file that takes the longest yet :)
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 566 2011-08-15 13:20:09 <kinlo> asher^: if main.cpp takes that long, wait until you're at rcp.cpp
 567 2011-08-15 13:20:16 <kinlo> that's the biggest file and takes the longest
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 571 2011-08-15 13:22:12 <phantomcircuit> asher^, that is completely normal
 572 2011-08-15 13:22:24 <phantomcircuit> woo monolithic coding
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 576 2011-08-15 13:36:18 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r4e4856..cac54f cgminer/ (ocl.h miner.h ocl.c main.c): (7 commits)
 577 2011-08-15 13:37:10 <Joric> Like I said earlier. We are not amateurs. In fact,
 578 2011-08-15 13:37:10 <Joric> combined we have over 30 years of experience in the payment
 579 2011-08-15 13:37:10 <Joric> processing (credit card arena) industry.
 580 2011-08-15 13:37:23 <Joric> -- Tom Williams, mybitcoin.com
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 582 2011-08-15 13:42:53 <kreal-> asher^ a micro amazon ec2 instance?
 583 2011-08-15 13:43:33 <asher^> kreal- rackspace
 584 2011-08-15 13:43:37 <kreal-> ok
 585 2011-08-15 13:43:39 <kreal-> nevermind then
 586 2011-08-15 13:43:45 <asher^> its still compiling o_O
 587 2011-08-15 13:44:28 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
 588 2011-08-15 13:44:28 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 days, 14 hours, 41 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> (when I wasn't enjoying the beach...)
 589 2011-08-15 13:47:24 <Joric> i just came from the beach, got a nice tan and 49% of my bitcoins
 590 2011-08-15 13:48:05 <Joric> didn't expect mybitcoin will blow up while i'm on vacation
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 593 2011-08-15 13:51:40 <b4epoche_> I guess Google just became a competitor to all their licensees…  I'm interested to better understand their (and see if they have a) plan
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 596 2011-08-15 14:00:29 <asher^> still compiling :-| this is ridiculous
 597 2011-08-15 14:00:45 <b4epoche_> compiling what?
 598 2011-08-15 14:01:06 <asher^> bitcoind
 599 2011-08-15 14:01:19 <b4epoche_> on a vps?
 600 2011-08-15 14:01:22 <asher^> stuck on rpc.cpp
 601 2011-08-15 14:01:22 <asher^> yes
 602 2011-08-15 14:01:36 <b4epoche_> yea, rpc and main can take forever
 603 2011-08-15 14:01:43 <b4epoche_> I think net.cpp can too
 604 2011-08-15 14:01:50 <asher^> like 45 mins on this file so far
 605 2011-08-15 14:02:01 <b4epoche_> it's probably memory bound
 606 2011-08-15 14:02:18 <asher^> ok
 607 2011-08-15 14:02:30 <b4epoche_> how much ram your vps got?
 608 2011-08-15 14:02:38 <asher^> cc1plus is related to this?
 609 2011-08-15 14:02:47 <asher^> its a small instance, 256mb
 610 2011-08-15 14:02:50 <doublec> it only takes a few minutes on a machine with enough memory
 611 2011-08-15 14:02:53 <doublec> 512mb+
 612 2011-08-15 14:03:01 <b4epoche_> yea, ugh, 256
 613 2011-08-15 14:03:10 <asher^> cc1plus is using almost 70% of mem
 614 2011-08-15 14:03:16 <b4epoche_> yea, cc1plus it doing the job
 615 2011-08-15 14:03:19 <asher^> i thought id save money while i get it set up
 616 2011-08-15 14:03:24 <asher^> thanks, good to know its actually working
 617 2011-08-15 14:04:08 <b4epoche_> did you compile boost yet?
 618 2011-08-15 14:04:27 <asher^> whats that?
 619 2011-08-15 14:04:44 <lfm> you have a swap file/partition?
 620 2011-08-15 14:05:06 <asher^> yes
 621 2011-08-15 14:05:15 <asher^> Mem:    251140k total,   247344k used,     3796k free,      136k buffers
 622 2011-08-15 14:05:15 <asher^> Swap:   524284k total,   262208k used,   262076k free,     4560k cached
 623 2011-08-15 14:05:38 <b4epoche_> well, asher^, these problems you're having are just the very beginning ;-)
 624 2011-08-15 14:05:44 <jtaylor> so its swapping, no wonder its slow ^^
 625 2011-08-15 14:05:55 <asher^> last time i compiled on a 1g instance
 626 2011-08-15 14:06:02 <jtaylor> maybe reduce the optimization level, that should decrease ram usage
 627 2011-08-15 14:06:05 <lfm> bitcoin will runn very slow with that small memory too if at all
 628 2011-08-15 14:06:22 <asher^> lmf its a cloud server, i plan to resize once everything is installed
 629 2011-08-15 14:06:23 <b4epoche_> can't you find something precompiled?
 630 2011-08-15 14:06:33 <asher^> im using a patched version
 631 2011-08-15 14:06:40 <asher^> i have a copy compiled on my other server though
 632 2011-08-15 14:06:44 <jtaylor> compile the patched version on a better machine?
 633 2011-08-15 14:06:53 <asher^> im a linux noob, i dont know how transferrable the stuff is
 634 2011-08-15 14:07:00 <b4epoche_> asher^:  don't you have homework to be doing?
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 638 2011-08-15 14:08:05 <lfm> b4epoche_ no need to be snotty about it
 639 2011-08-15 14:08:26 <b4epoche_> lfm:  you got homework too?
 640 2011-08-15 14:09:04 <lfm> ok, perhaps you are forced to be that way. good thing we can still use /ignore
 641 2011-08-15 14:09:44 * b4epoche_ has no idea what's up lfm's butt today, but please do /ignore me
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 644 2011-08-15 14:11:17 <asher^> heh
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 646 2011-08-15 14:12:42 <b4epoche_> asher^:  linking failed yet?
 647 2011-08-15 14:12:55 <asher^> hmm?
 648 2011-08-15 14:13:13 <b4epoche_> oh, just anticipating your next headache.
 649 2011-08-15 14:13:42 <asher^> what would be the smallest size i should resize this instance to to make this work reasonably? 512?
 650 2011-08-15 14:14:06 <b4epoche_> what kind of os is the vps running?
 651 2011-08-15 14:14:44 <asher^> ubuntu
 652 2011-08-15 14:15:06 <b4epoche_> you ought to find someone to compile it for you
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 655 2011-08-15 14:15:23 <asher^> can i just copy a compiled version from one server to another and it will work?
 656 2011-08-15 14:15:25 <b4epoche_> or install it on a local vm
 657 2011-08-15 14:15:44 <b4epoche_> if you statically link the libraries, it should
 658 2011-08-15 14:15:59 <marf_away> or just wait two more houres
 659 2011-08-15 14:16:14 <asher^> ill just resize this thing. will 512 be sufficient?
 660 2011-08-15 14:16:16 <b4epoche_> marf_away:  he's still going to have to compile boost
 661 2011-08-15 14:16:24 <b4epoche_> i.e. another 12 hours ;-)
 662 2011-08-15 14:16:30 <asher^> wha?
 663 2011-08-15 14:17:04 <marf_away> big coffee break
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 665 2011-08-15 14:17:23 <b4epoche_> plenty of time to do his homework ;-)
 666 2011-08-15 14:17:30 <asher^> 12 hours?
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 668 2011-08-15 14:17:35 <b4epoche_> but he should be headed to bed soon ;-)
 669 2011-08-15 14:17:55 <asher^> ill go for a gig of ram
 670 2011-08-15 14:18:42 <lfm> I would still consider 512 small but its a lot better than 256 of course
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 674 2011-08-15 14:22:14 <asher^> sweet that was pretty fast
 675 2011-08-15 14:23:38 <asher^> heh compile is done
 676 2011-08-15 14:23:48 <b4epoche_> it linked?
 677 2011-08-15 14:24:02 <asher^> linked? i just resized the server and started again
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 679 2011-08-15 14:24:31 <b4epoche_> how did you compile?  makefile?
 680 2011-08-15 14:24:38 <asher^> yes
 681 2011-08-15 14:25:21 <b4epoche_> hmm…  I'm surprised the vps had all the necessary support libraries installed
 682 2011-08-15 14:25:31 <asher^> i installed them
 683 2011-08-15 14:25:40 <b4epoche_> boost too?
 684 2011-08-15 14:25:42 <lfm> just bitcoind or bitcoin with wx gui too?
 685 2011-08-15 14:26:04 <asher^> just bitcoind
 686 2011-08-15 14:26:08 <asher^> no boost afaik
 687 2011-08-15 14:26:22 <lfm> I think bitcoind uses boost too
 688 2011-08-15 14:26:23 <b4epoche_> hmm…  that's the biggie for bitcoind
 689 2011-08-15 14:26:32 <asher^> maybe i did then
 690 2011-08-15 14:26:52 <b4epoche_> unless you installed a binary lib, you would have remembered
 691 2011-08-15 14:27:05 <b4epoche_> compiling boost takes a lot longer than bitcoind
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 693 2011-08-15 14:27:42 <lfm> you can just apt-get install libboost-all-dev
 694 2011-08-15 14:27:42 <asher^> libboost-all-dev
 695 2011-08-15 14:27:44 <asher^> that it?
 696 2011-08-15 14:27:50 <asher^> yeah i did that
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 699 2011-08-15 14:28:16 <lfm> works fine if your on a reletivly recent ubuntu
 700 2011-08-15 14:28:23 <lfm> or debian even I think
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 705 2011-08-15 14:31:20 <lfm> In fact I heard there is new problems with the latest boost if you build it, bitcoin uses some depreciated call. The apt versions arent there yet tho
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 708 2011-08-15 14:36:36 <asher^> does bitcoind use rpc to communicate as a node?
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 710 2011-08-15 14:37:36 <lfm> asher^ I think rpc is mostly used for miners and front end queries, not for the bitcoin net itself
 711 2011-08-15 14:38:03 <lfm> it rpc on port 8332 and the net on 8333
 712 2011-08-15 14:38:03 <upb> heh, there is no such standard as rpc, anthing could be rpc
 713 2011-08-15 14:38:04 <b4epoche_> asher^:  I don't think so
 714 2011-08-15 14:38:09 <b4epoche_> what are you trying to do?
 715 2011-08-15 14:38:11 <asher^> ok, im trying to connect this new bitcoind to the other one on the same network to download the blockchain. any idea what i need to to do set it up?
 716 2011-08-15 14:38:15 <b4epoche_> you may not need it at all
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 718 2011-08-15 14:38:42 <b4epoche_> download from bluematt.me
 719 2011-08-15 14:38:42 <lfm> asher just put -connect= or -addnode on the command line
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 721 2011-08-15 14:39:18 <asher^> ive got connect in the config, im changing the port to 8333 now
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 723 2011-08-15 14:39:39 <lfm> asher^ what? wait
 724 2011-08-15 14:39:49 <asher^> connect=ip:port
 725 2011-08-15 14:40:16 <lfm> nope
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 727 2011-08-15 14:40:31 <lfm> just -connect=ip
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 730 2011-08-15 14:40:56 <lfm> leave the ports to the defaults
 731 2011-08-15 14:41:47 <asher^> ok sweet, its connected now
 732 2011-08-15 14:41:48 <asher^> thanks
 733 2011-08-15 14:43:07 <lfm> asher^ are both ends version 0.3.24?
 734 2011-08-15 14:43:13 <lfm> or newer
 735 2011-08-15 14:44:16 <asher^> .23
 736 2011-08-15 14:44:25 <lfm> highly recomend you upgrade that
 737 2011-08-15 14:44:42 <asher^> im using somebadgers bitcoind for pools version
 738 2011-08-15 14:45:23 <lfm> ok but downloading the whole block chain from older versions may take forever
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 740 2011-08-15 14:45:55 <asher^> up to 92k now
 741 2011-08-15 14:46:05 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
 742 2011-08-15 14:46:05 <gribble> 141075
 743 2011-08-15 14:46:18 <asher^> its why i wanted to connect to my other instance, they are in the same DC
 744 2011-08-15 14:46:38 <lfm> yup seems pretty fast, good luck with that
 745 2011-08-15 14:46:40 <asher^> the downloading has slowed down now though... :-|
 746 2011-08-15 14:47:01 <asher^> also dont have to pay for bandwidth like this :p
 747 2011-08-15 14:47:21 <lfm> if it loses the connection you can just restart perhpas
 748 2011-08-15 14:47:30 <b4epoche_> asher^:  it might be better to get the (almost) latest blockchain from bluematt.me
 749 2011-08-15 14:47:49 <asher^> b4 this will only be a couple of mins, and its free
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 751 2011-08-15 14:48:18 <b4epoche_> okay…  BlueMatt's repo is free too ;-)
 752 2011-08-15 14:48:32 <asher^> i have to pay the bandwidth though
 753 2011-08-15 14:48:41 <b4epoche_> ah, gotcha
 754 2011-08-15 14:48:41 <lfm> hes saying outside bandwidth on his server isnt free
 755 2011-08-15 14:48:50 <asher^> also i cant load that page
 756 2011-08-15 14:49:14 <b4epoche_> yea, that's not the full URL (which I can't recall off hand)
 757 2011-08-15 14:50:00 <asher^> did the blocks start getting bigger somewhere around 90k?
 758 2011-08-15 14:50:15 <lfm> asher^ maybe just more spam
 759 2011-08-15 14:50:27 <asher^> the frist 90k were like lightening
 760 2011-08-15 14:50:40 <asher^> lightning*
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 762 2011-08-15 14:50:50 <lfm> it could be version .23 throttling down on you
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 765 2011-08-15 14:51:40 <asher^> i looked at the changes for .24 and decided the patches im running are more beneficial for me atm. im not skilled enough to manually get the patches working if others have had troubles, so im going to stick with this for now
 766 2011-08-15 14:53:01 <lfm> ya ok if it gets too slow, try a restart anyway
 767 2011-08-15 14:53:17 <asher^> ok
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 769 2011-08-15 14:54:42 <asher^> restarted, still about the same speed
 770 2011-08-15 14:54:49 <asher^> i think the blocks must just be chunkier
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 777 2011-08-15 14:57:20 <asher^> getting slower and slower, hehe
 778 2011-08-15 15:00:23 <twobits> thought .24 has a pretty critical patch for transfering the blockchain effectivly?
 779 2011-08-15 15:00:56 <lfm> ya he sez he has reasons for wanting to use .23
 780 2011-08-15 15:01:06 <asher^> only 12k to go
 781 2011-08-15 15:01:20 <asher^> no way im going through the compiling again tonight :p
 782 2011-08-15 15:01:28 <twobits> yeah, just wonder if he knows that .24 was considered a must upgrade
 783 2011-08-15 15:01:42 <asher^> hmm
 784 2011-08-15 15:02:00 <asher^> any of you guys know of a .24 version with joelkatz patches that works well?
 785 2011-08-15 15:02:02 <lfm> ya I told him highly recomened
 786 2011-08-15 15:02:19 <asher^> what changed exactly in transferring the block chain in .24?
 787 2011-08-15 15:02:27 <twobits> joelkatz rebased his diff 4 against .24 from what he had posted
 788 2011-08-15 15:02:50 <asher^> aparently there was some problems with it. im using a prepatched version from github
 789 2011-08-15 15:03:20 <twobits> from what I read also, the problems where with the github version, just use the diff from his site against the orginal
 790 2011-08-15 15:03:38 <asher^> would the differences between .23 and .24 cause things like invalid blocks?
 791 2011-08-15 15:03:54 <twobits> doin't think so, would cause a real slow block download
 792 2011-08-15 15:03:56 <twobits> or stalled
 793 2011-08-15 15:03:57 <lfm> should bve no invalid blocks
 794 2011-08-15 15:04:11 <lfm> bve -> be
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 796 2011-08-15 15:04:28 <asher^> i mean if i solve a block, would the problems with transmission make it easier for someone else to get their solution out first?
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 800 2011-08-15 15:04:45 <lfm> naw, not really
 801 2011-08-15 15:04:49 <asher^> ok
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 803 2011-08-15 15:04:55 <asher^> had my first block today and it was an orphan :(
 804 2011-08-15 15:05:14 <lfm> once your caught up to the current block it should be fine
 805 2011-08-15 15:05:18 <asher^> ok
 806 2011-08-15 15:06:26 <asher^> ill have to try to patch .24 then
 807 2011-08-15 15:06:59 <asher^> wow the blockchain download is really slow now
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 809 2011-08-15 15:07:20 <asher^> can the files be manually copied over or something?
 810 2011-08-15 15:07:51 <lfm> yup, stop both ends first and copy blk*.dat
 811 2011-08-15 15:08:07 <asher^> ah, cant stop on one end :(
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 813 2011-08-15 15:08:25 <lfm> ok, not good idea to copy live data files
 814 2011-08-15 15:08:29 <asher^> yeah
 815 2011-08-15 15:13:39 <lfm> ooops nap time for b4epoche_
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 826 2011-08-15 15:34:07 <b4epoche> oh, yea, that one
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 828 2011-08-15 15:41:57 <luke-jr> Gentoo stable is 0.3.20.2 ;)
 829 2011-08-15 15:42:12 <luke-jr> but with the block xfer fix backported
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 846 2011-08-15 16:34:05 <asher^> hmm. theres really no need for regular wallet backups, right? if its backed up once, thats enough. is that true?
 847 2011-08-15 16:34:37 <epscy> unless you send from it
 848 2011-08-15 16:34:41 <epscy> i think
 849 2011-08-15 16:35:18 <asher^> what changes in that circumstance?
 850 2011-08-15 16:35:22 <coderrr> asher^, after generating some # of addresses u need to back it up again, just back it up regularly just in case
 851 2011-08-15 16:35:33 <b4epoche> there was (not sure if changed) an issue that the wallet didn't contain those 100 keys until you used it
 852 2011-08-15 16:35:39 <asher^> ah ok
 853 2011-08-15 16:35:43 <coderrr> tehre was some dood who lost moeny because he only bakced it up once
 854 2011-08-15 16:35:44 <asher^> cool
 855 2011-08-15 16:36:06 <coderrr> im going to make a patch that sends change back to teh same address i think
 856 2011-08-15 16:36:17 <b4epoche> yea, it keeps a pool of keys and adds more when enough are used
 857 2011-08-15 16:36:20 <coderrr> so u can really only back it up once more safely
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 861 2011-08-15 16:37:50 <coderrr> Joric, can't remember, were you interested in the cmdline version of the anonymity patch ?
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 893 2011-08-15 17:01:37 <Joric> no i didn't ask for that "<coderrr> Joric, can't remember, were you interested in the cmdline version of the anonymity patch ?"
 894 2011-08-15 17:01:49 <coderrr> mmmk nm then
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 900 2011-08-15 17:07:00 <Joric> coderrr, do you have w32gui build though? one i built a month ago won't work
 901 2011-08-15 17:08:15 <coderrr> theres been a build up for v2 (w/o) the cmdline support for a while
 902 2011-08-15 17:08:18 <Joric> maybe because of a zero balance (i've sent all funds to mybitcoin before vacation)
 903 2011-08-15 17:08:28 <coderrr> heh, woops
 904 2011-08-15 17:08:39 <coderrr> so waht does it do, it crashes or something ?
 905 2011-08-15 17:08:55 <Joric> don't know why but the tab is completely blank
 906 2011-08-15 17:09:00 <coderrr> ohh yea
 907 2011-08-15 17:09:12 <coderrr> it only shows groupings w any address w a positive balance
 908 2011-08-15 17:09:21 <coderrr> so yea itll stay blank until you get some more btc
 909 2011-08-15 17:09:40 <coderrr> the cmdline _will_ show all groupings though, regardless of balance
 910 2011-08-15 17:10:07 <Joric> mybitcoooooin!!! http://scifimafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/big-bang-theory-wheaton-scream-sheldon.jpg
 911 2011-08-15 17:10:26 <copumpkin> speaking of mybitcoin
 912 2011-08-15 17:10:29 <copumpkin> what's going on with them?
 913 2011-08-15 17:10:35 <copumpkin> did bruce get half his coins back?
 914 2011-08-15 17:10:54 <Joric> copumpkin, i didn't, requested them tonight
 915 2011-08-15 17:11:02 <b4epoche> Bruce?
 916 2011-08-15 17:11:27 <copumpkin> b4epoche: bruce wagner, the bitcoin show guy
 917 2011-08-15 17:11:36 <copumpkin> he had quite a few coins in there
 918 2011-08-15 17:11:46 <b4epoche> oh, he got pwned to?
 919 2011-08-15 17:11:57 <b4epoche> dumb shit
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 921 2011-08-15 17:12:02 <copumpkin> he had 25k coins in there, supposedly :P
 922 2011-08-15 17:12:08 <copumpkin> and was recommending it to all his non-techie friends
 923 2011-08-15 17:12:11 <b4epoche> mega dumb shit
 924 2011-08-15 17:12:21 <b4epoche> ultra mega dumb shit
 925 2011-08-15 17:12:29 <Joric> mybitcoin was pretty well advertised for sure
 926 2011-08-15 17:12:30 <copumpkin> omnom
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 928 2011-08-15 17:13:38 <b4epoche> and people give money to some anonymous dude with a web site?
 929 2011-08-15 17:13:56 <luke-jr> pretty much lol
 930 2011-08-15 17:14:06 <luke-jr> WalletBit seems nice though
 931 2011-08-15 17:14:11 <luke-jr> even Spesmilo-compatible
 932 2011-08-15 17:14:17 <lfm> makes you wish you thot of it first?
 933 2011-08-15 17:15:20 <Joric> "WalletBit seems nice though"
 934 2011-08-15 17:15:43 <Joric> gotta make another "nice service" :) looks profitable
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 936 2011-08-15 17:16:19 <b4epoche> a web site registered with PO Box in Charlestown, Nevis
 937 2011-08-15 17:16:19 <b4epoche>     KN
 938 2011-08-15 17:16:37 <[Tycho]> Oh, bicoin wallet service again ? :(
 939 2011-08-15 17:17:16 <b4epoche> looks like a nice place:  http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Charlestown,+Nevis&hl=en&ll=16.214675,-63.325195&spn=29.48797,32.871094&sll=29.075375,-104.414062&sspn=97.62005,131.484375&gl=us&t=h&z=5
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 941 2011-08-15 17:17:42 <b4epoche> for someone with a ton of cash
 942 2011-08-15 17:18:01 <b4epoche> anyone give him a call:  +6499518329
 943 2011-08-15 17:18:20 <luke-jr> what country is that?
 944 2011-08-15 17:18:25 <Joric> so... what bruce wagner did say about mybitcoin after that, could anyone quote?
 945 2011-08-15 17:18:25 <copumpkin> b4epoche: that's a common offshore company location
 946 2011-08-15 17:18:41 <coderrr> i thought it was kansas at first haha
 947 2011-08-15 17:18:45 <copumpkin> luke-jr: nevis
 948 2011-08-15 17:19:02 <coderrr> Joric, he did a whole youtube episode about it
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 950 2011-08-15 17:19:07 <Joric> ahaha islands
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 952 2011-08-15 17:19:25 <b4epoche> damn…  someone grabbed shitcoins.com
 953 2011-08-15 17:19:26 <b4epoche> http://www.shitcoins.com/2011/07/bitcoins-mybitcoin-latest-fraud.html
 954 2011-08-15 17:20:13 <coderrr> Joric,  http://www.youtube.com/user/vlogwrap#p/u/15/4FZldY-ZBBE
 955 2011-08-15 17:20:41 <MrTiggr> http://bitcoin.crimeunit.net/wiki/index.php/MyBitcoin  #bitcoin-police
 956 2011-08-15 17:21:19 <Joric> now i can't even buy a hit of acid to ease the pain :)
 957 2011-08-15 17:22:01 <b4epoche> the bitcoin police?
 958 2011-08-15 17:22:06 <b4epoche> really?
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 962 2011-08-15 17:24:02 <Joric> it was called mybitcoin for a reason...
 963 2011-08-15 17:24:29 <MrTiggr> ;) they werent urs - they were tom's
 964 2011-08-15 17:24:42 <Joric> tombitcoin.com
 965 2011-08-15 17:24:50 <MrTiggr> Joric++
 966 2011-08-15 17:25:10 <MrTiggr> night all ^^ check out wat we discovered
 967 2011-08-15 17:25:22 <b4epoche> shane smith, dal in owen?
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 970 2011-08-15 17:28:48 <Joric> did it affect the exchange rate?
 971 2011-08-15 17:29:13 <b4epoche> its so volatile, who knows
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 975 2011-08-15 17:34:19 <Joric> bruce wagner looks like the silkroad bigger customer
 976 2011-08-15 17:35:07 <Joric> 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZldY-ZBBE&feature=player_profilepage#t=129s
 977 2011-08-15 17:36:33 <Joric> "and I said you know, something is bothering me. This MyBitcoin thing is really, really, really bothering me. I had this really weird intuition that something was wrong"
 978 2011-08-15 17:36:46 <Joric> "And I can't pin it on anything, I didn't know anything, I mean nobody had told me anything, I had no experience whatsoever. But I just said something's wrong, and I need to get our Bitcoins off of MyBitcoin.com."
 979 2011-08-15 17:38:05 <b4epoche> intuition?
 980 2011-08-15 17:38:38 Mahkul_away is now known as Mahkul
 981 2011-08-15 17:38:39 <b4epoche> anonymous operator, anonymous domain registration?  and it's intuition that says something is wrong?
 982 2011-08-15 17:39:42 <Joric> /j #bitcoin-police
 983 2011-08-15 17:40:40 <b4epoche> no thx
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 985 2011-08-15 17:41:45 <luke-jr> Joric: so he withdrew them all BEFORE the shutdown?
 986 2011-08-15 17:42:14 <b4epoche> I'd be pretty damn suspicious if that's the case
 987 2011-08-15 17:47:42 <b4epoche> http://www.google.com/press/motorola/quotes/
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 989 2011-08-15 17:47:51 <b4epoche> you think Google provided a template?
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 992 2011-08-15 17:56:43 <Joric> "<chmod755> buy firearms for btc...find tom"
 993 2011-08-15 17:58:26 <Joric> does someone sell firearms already?
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 995 2011-08-15 18:00:38 <luke-jr> jgarzik: you gonna merge my pull reqs? :P
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1023 2011-08-15 18:49:15 <luke-jr> ;;bc,status
1024 2011-08-15 18:49:17 <gribble> Error: "bc,status" is not a valid command.
1025 2011-08-15 18:49:21 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
1026 2011-08-15 18:49:24 <gribble> Current Blocks: 141097 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 22 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 49 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1812129.12664691
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1028 2011-08-15 18:51:28 <gavinandresen> coderrr: you still here?
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1030 2011-08-15 18:52:12 <coderrr> gavinandresen, sup
1031 2011-08-15 18:52:23 <gavinandresen> See: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commit/47e2066ffc9c67de661f1e59ffe65a912fa3c4cc
1032 2011-08-15 18:52:58 <coderrr> ah sweet
1033 2011-08-15 18:53:11 <gavinandresen> I'm not sure I like -noprivacy as the switch name, though...
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1035 2011-08-15 18:55:05 <coderrr> i was thinking about an -extraprivacy option too which creates multiple change outputs around the same price as the payment
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1037 2011-08-15 18:57:18 <gavinandresen> coderrr: do you have any mixmaster experience or expertise?  Just naively splitting up change probably won't help much, but I'm not up on all the latest de-anonymizing research.
1038 2011-08-15 18:57:37 <coderrr> gavinandresen, no i don't
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1040 2011-08-15 18:59:04 <coderrr> gavinandresen, i might be missing how that applies, i mean if you have 100 bitcoins and you wanna send 5 to someone, you send out 5 to 20 addresses
1041 2011-08-15 18:59:06 <gavinandresen> If I had to bet, I'd bet the best strategy would be to split up large inputs into standard-sized chunks.  E.g. if you have 10,003 bitcoins in one 'coin' that's going to be an easy amount to track.
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1044 2011-08-15 19:00:08 <coderrr> or send random amounts, 5 being one of them, and pick some heuristics so its not easy to determine which one isnt random
1045 2011-08-15 19:01:17 <gavinandresen> I'm not sure random is good, but like I said, I'm not an expert.  Maybe standard sizes would be better (e.g. lots of 50-bitcoin inputs to choose from might make the attacker's job harder)
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1048 2011-08-15 19:01:54 <coderrr> gavinandresen, yea i agree, it needs some thought put into it first
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1050 2011-08-15 19:02:55 <gavinandresen> Splitting up large inputs into smaller-sized chunks is a good idea anyway, because you want a good assortment of 'aged' bitcoins in your wallet to get good transaction priority.
1051 2011-08-15 19:03:01 nemesis51 is now known as away!~nemesis@178-25-127-144-dynip.superkabel.de|nemesis51
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1053 2011-08-15 19:03:46 <coderrr> yea that makes sense
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1056 2011-08-15 19:11:34 <sneak> hi guys
1057 2011-08-15 19:11:38 <sneak> wha'ts up
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1065 2011-08-15 19:29:52 <asher^> does bitcoind usually use a lot of cpu when downloading the block chain?
1066 2011-08-15 19:30:33 <gavinandresen> asher^: yes
1067 2011-08-15 19:30:35 <cacheson> asher^: it's doing signature verification
1068 2011-08-15 19:31:05 <asher^> ok
1069 2011-08-15 19:31:27 <asher^> would that be bottlenecking the download of the blockchain?
1070 2011-08-15 19:31:28 <gavinandresen> coderrr: beware of the -noprivacy patch if you're using multiple accounts, it won't work properly (it'll randomly move money between accounts)
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1082 2011-08-15 19:50:48 <justmoon> how long does a rescan take these days? or is there a way to tell when it's done?
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1084 2011-08-15 19:52:12 <gavinandresen> justmoon: tail -f debug.log   ... will tell you what bitcoin is doing.  I don't know how long -rescans are taking these days.
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1086 2011-08-15 19:54:57 <justmoon> gavinandresen, k thx - I'm remote helping somebody, but I'll figure something out
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1091 2011-08-15 20:01:56 <justmoon> ok rescan took just 50 seconds or so
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1095 2011-08-15 20:08:22 <Vladmir> can anoyone please remind me how to run a random number between X and Y roll ?
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1097 2011-08-15 20:09:44 <Vladmir> gribble help
1098 2011-08-15 20:12:58 <cjdelisle> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/kmem bs=1 count=1 seek=$RANDOM
1099 2011-08-15 20:13:51 <cjdelisle> what language are you using?
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1102 2011-08-15 20:15:42 <WildSoil> ;;bc,stats
1103 2011-08-15 20:15:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 141106 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 13 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1812347.17870865
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1110 2011-08-15 20:22:01 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, -rescan takes about a minute
1111 2011-08-15 20:22:10 <phantomcircuit> well for a wallet with a ton of keys
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1115 2011-08-15 20:32:35 <shLONG> hey
1116 2011-08-15 20:32:46 <shLONG> I have a internet client
1117 2011-08-15 20:32:57 <shLONG> I want to send encrypted data to it that the client can decrypt BUT
1118 2011-08-15 20:33:15 <shLONG> I dont want anyone who has the client to be able to work out how to encrypt the data
1119 2011-08-15 20:33:23 <shLONG> decrypting it is fine
1120 2011-08-15 20:33:30 <shLONG> but if they work out how to encrypt that message
1121 2011-08-15 20:33:40 <shLONG> they can start sending custom commands to their client which is BAD
1122 2011-08-15 20:33:50 <shLONG> (and other peoples clients)
1123 2011-08-15 20:34:08 <shLONG> is there an encryption system out there that would suit this?
1124 2011-08-15 20:34:22 <shLONG> im not in the know with encryptions as you can see
1125 2011-08-15 20:34:34 <shLONG> If you tell me what I need I will go and learn
1126 2011-08-15 20:34:55 <phantomcircuit> shadders, sounds like you want a public key encryption system?
1127 2011-08-15 20:35:01 <phantomcircuit> also sounds like a botnet
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1133 2011-08-15 20:40:27 <D0han> yep, botnet witch assymetric keys for C&C ;)
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1135 2011-08-15 20:44:20 <shLONG> LOL
1136 2011-08-15 20:44:25 <shLONG> why does it sound like a botnet X'D
1137 2011-08-15 20:44:45 <shLONG> is that how everyone commands their botnets nowdays?
1138 2011-08-15 20:44:47 <shLONG> X'D
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1144 2011-08-15 20:47:40 <cjdelisle> shLONG: if the client is running on a user's computer and it's supposed to send messages and the owner of the computer is not, you have the DRM problem, it is technically impossible to prevent it from being reverse engineered.
1145 2011-08-15 20:48:20 <shLONG> well the client is to recieve messages, that is all
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1147 2011-08-15 20:48:28 <shLONG> I will be sending the messages
1148 2011-08-15 20:48:38 <shLONG> kinda like a botnet pretty much
1149 2011-08-15 20:48:42 <shLONG> but not a botnet !
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1151 2011-08-15 20:49:06 <shLONG> i dont care if they decode them, as long as they can never encode the packets themselves
1152 2011-08-15 20:49:13 <cjdelisle> then you are interested in *signing* not encryption. Also if you are asking that then you don't want to try fooling around with botnets ;)
1153 2011-08-15 20:49:13 <shLONG> or my whole network will get fuxed
1154 2011-08-15 20:49:33 <shLONG> well it is a botnet
1155 2011-08-15 20:49:36 <shLONG> pretty much
1156 2011-08-15 20:49:42 <shLONG> a legal botnet
1157 2011-08-15 20:49:59 <shLONG> it's a RSS new feed type system
1158 2011-08-15 20:50:01 <shLONG> news*
1159 2011-08-15 20:50:09 <shLONG> which is p2p
1160 2011-08-15 20:50:12 <shLONG> decentralised
1161 2011-08-15 20:50:25 <shLONG> so I need to make sure that people dont go sending bullshit news to all the clients
1162 2011-08-15 20:50:27 <D0han> how do you bootstrap?
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1164 2011-08-15 20:51:27 <Vladmir> Hi All, This is a logged bitcoin channel , therefore I roll dice for daily bitcoin.org.uk member raffle here
1165 2011-08-15 20:51:41 <shLONG> D0han? me?
1166 2011-08-15 20:51:53 <D0han> yes
1167 2011-08-15 20:51:58 <shLONG> lol its not a botnet
1168 2011-08-15 20:52:15 <shLONG> why what would you reccomend
1169 2011-08-15 20:52:29 <Vladmir> today the prise is 1 BTC, it will go to user with id which is rolled here, if not such user exist or if it an admin or mod I will reroll
1170 2011-08-15 20:52:46 <D0han> i dont care if it is a botnet, you said its decentralised
1171 2011-08-15 20:52:50 <Vladmir> ;;dice 1d52
1172 2011-08-15 20:52:50 <gribble> 36
1173 2011-08-15 20:52:52 <D0han> so, how do you bootstrap?
1174 2011-08-15 20:52:58 <Vladmir> winner is user 36
1175 2011-08-15 20:52:58 <shLONG> ah right what do you mean by bootstrap then?
1176 2011-08-15 20:53:20 <D0han> find other p2p clients
1177 2011-08-15 20:53:23 <shLONG> ah right
1178 2011-08-15 20:53:24 <shLONG> ip scan
1179 2011-08-15 20:53:29 <shLONG> well port scan
1180 2011-08-15 20:53:31 <shLONG> if port is open
1181 2011-08-15 20:53:41 <shLONG> sorry ipscan, check port is open
1182 2011-08-15 20:53:44 <Vladmir> EricJ2190, congratulations
1183 2011-08-15 20:53:48 <shLONG> if it is, send ping message
1184 2011-08-15 20:53:50 <shLONG> if response
1185 2011-08-15 20:53:56 <shLONG> send new news feed
1186 2011-08-15 20:54:03 <D0han> shLONG: are you joking? :D
1187 2011-08-15 20:54:06 <shLONG> all clients constantly look for each other
1188 2011-08-15 20:54:27 <shLONG> so when you hit one client, it tells all the ones it knows about the new feed
1189 2011-08-15 20:54:36 <shLONG> no is there a better way?
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1191 2011-08-15 20:54:50 <D0han> try doing smth like that in WAN, not LAN
1192 2011-08-15 20:54:57 <D0han> or LAN with ipv6 implemented
1193 2011-08-15 20:54:57 <D0han> ;D
1194 2011-08-15 20:55:07 <D0han> good luck
1195 2011-08-15 20:55:10 <shLONG> LAN? as it local area network?
1196 2011-08-15 20:55:17 <D0han> yes
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1198 2011-08-15 20:55:27 <shLONG> what do you mean?
1199 2011-08-15 20:55:42 <D0han> youre running that in LAN, right?
1200 2011-08-15 20:55:51 <shLONG> nope over the internet
1201 2011-08-15 20:56:01 <shLONG> well some machines are lan
1202 2011-08-15 20:56:06 <cjdelisle> mmmm
1203 2011-08-15 20:56:16 <D0han> ..and youre scanning entire internet to find nodes?
1204 2011-08-15 20:56:17 <D0han> 0o
1205 2011-08-15 20:56:17 <shLONG> its lots of network clusters
1206 2011-08-15 20:56:25 <shLONG> over the internet
1207 2011-08-15 20:56:31 <shLONG> well
1208 2011-08-15 20:56:33 <shLONG> thats the plan
1209 2011-08-15 20:56:39 <cjdelisle> portscan to find new clients + sends signed control messages....   BOTNET
1210 2011-08-15 20:56:40 <shLONG> what does bitcoin do to find its nodes?
1211 2011-08-15 20:57:06 <cjdelisle> What port do you use? 445?
1212 2011-08-15 20:57:08 <D0han> shLONG: irc channel/dns/clients from past
1213 2011-08-15 20:57:36 <shLONG> ah so all clients register their address to an irc channel?
1214 2011-08-15 20:57:48 <D0han> they used to
1215 2011-08-15 20:57:56 <D0han> now its dns mainly
1216 2011-08-15 20:57:56 <shLONG> thats dodgy, if my client ever had a buffer overrun exposed then i'd be fucked
1217 2011-08-15 20:58:09 <shLONG> all the networks would be instantly infected
1218 2011-08-15 20:58:37 <shLONG> although I spose its going to happen sooner or later either way
1219 2011-08-15 20:59:18 <shLONG> so has anyone attempted to shutdown the bitcoin DNS?
1220 2011-08-15 20:59:32 <shLONG> what if a load of kids got together did a DDoS attack on it
1221 2011-08-15 20:59:41 <shLONG> could take down the whole bitcoin economy?
1222 2011-08-15 20:59:55 <shLONG> in such senarios as the DNS being down I assume the clients revert to ip scans?
1223 2011-08-15 21:00:21 <D0han> we probably wont even notice if you will take down dns
1224 2011-08-15 21:00:40 <shLONG> why?
1225 2011-08-15 21:00:51 <D0han> and ip scans never were way to go
1226 2011-08-15 21:01:07 <shLONG> but what happens if some one takes the DNS server offline?
1227 2011-08-15 21:01:15 <shLONG> none of the clients can find each other for confirmations?
1228 2011-08-15 21:01:19 <D0han> coz each client have a list of before-connected-clients
1229 2011-08-15 21:01:22 <shLONG> ah
1230 2011-08-15 21:01:26 <shLONG> i was about to say
1231 2011-08-15 21:01:26 <D0han> and few big nodes
1232 2011-08-15 21:01:31 <D0han> hardcoded
1233 2011-08-15 21:01:33 <shLONG> thats cool
1234 2011-08-15 21:01:42 <shLONG> right ill do that then
1235 2011-08-15 21:02:01 <D0han> man, read some papers first
1236 2011-08-15 21:02:12 <D0han> youre unprepared to do anything on so many levels
1237 2011-08-15 21:02:16 <cjdelisle> ^
1238 2011-08-15 21:02:23 <shLONG> lol what makes you say that?
1239 2011-08-15 21:02:36 <D0han> this conversation, from top of it
1240 2011-08-15 21:02:50 <shLONG> aye well it was theory
1241 2011-08-15 21:02:56 <cjdelisle> The bittorrent people were talking about implementing decentralized RSS at one point. Not sure if they got anywhere.
1242 2011-08-15 21:03:03 <shLONG> i heard other people had done ipscan before
1243 2011-08-15 21:03:19 <D0han> i know, talks about making bnets always are only theoretical ;D
1244 2011-08-15 21:03:39 <shLONG> haha I had a few botnets as a kid
1245 2011-08-15 21:03:41 <shLONG> nothing huge
1246 2011-08-15 21:03:44 <cjdelisle> Note that if you join #bittorrent and suggest portscanning you will be laughed out of the channel.
1247 2011-08-15 21:04:01 <D0han> cjdelisle: utorrent have some sort of comments & ratings
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1249 2011-08-15 21:04:33 <cjdelisle> Yes, that's implemented through nonstandard dht messages.
1250 2011-08-15 21:04:43 <D0han> shLONG: how you will use ipscan when WAN will be transformed into IPv6?
1251 2011-08-15 21:04:49 <cjdelisle> I know because my client started seeing them and I was all o_O
1252 2011-08-15 21:04:56 <shLONG> D0han: good point
1253 2011-08-15 21:05:08 <D0han> cjdelisle: ;D
1254 2011-08-15 21:06:27 <shLONG> if there where 1 million wild clients
1255 2011-08-15 21:06:32 <shLONG> port scanning could pay off
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1257 2011-08-15 21:06:52 <shLONG> find one client, tell it a news feed
1258 2011-08-15 21:06:56 <shLONG> and let is spread
1259 2011-08-15 21:07:12 <shLONG> but meh just theory
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1262 2011-08-15 21:07:51 <shLONG> does anyone even still make botnets anymore? I figured things like LOIC (gay) had taken over these days
1263 2011-08-15 21:07:59 <shLONG> and mass VPN / PHP ddos
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1267 2011-08-15 21:08:28 <D0han> million clients?
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1269 2011-08-15 21:08:49 <D0han> i have more IP numbers in my /64
1270 2011-08-15 21:09:05 <shLONG> I dont even know if there are any real worm threats like there used to be, Bagle worm etc
1271 2011-08-15 21:09:07 <D0han> i still dont see how you want to scan WAN
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1275 2011-08-15 21:10:14 <D0han> wiki - IPv6 supports approximately 3.4×1038 (340 undecillion) unique addresses
1276 2011-08-15 21:10:18 <D0han> ;)
1277 2011-08-15 21:10:23 <shLONG> o.o
1278 2011-08-15 21:10:35 <D0han> if you want comparision
1279 2011-08-15 21:10:43 <shLONG> how many does ipv4 support?
1280 2011-08-15 21:10:46 <D0han> IPv4 have
1281 2011-08-15 21:10:48 <D0han> 4.3×109 (4.3 billion)
1282 2011-08-15 21:10:50 <shLONG> ooo
1283 2011-08-15 21:10:51 <shLONG> thats bad
1284 2011-08-15 21:10:58 <shLONG> and when will be runout of ipv4 addresses
1285 2011-08-15 21:10:58 <Dagger3> but... 3.4×1038 is 3529.2 O.o
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1287 2011-08-15 21:11:16 <D0han> Dagger3: _approximately_
1288 2011-08-15 21:11:50 <Dagger3> because 10^38 is approximately 10^3, right
1289 2011-08-15 21:12:02 <Dagger3> only 35 orders of magnitude out, but hey :P
1290 2011-08-15 21:12:17 <D0han> right
1291 2011-08-15 21:12:17 <D0han> :D
1292 2011-08-15 21:12:37 <D0han> whatever, its still fucking big adress space
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1294 2011-08-15 21:13:43 <shLONG> "With IANA's exhaustion on January 31, 2011,[1][2][3] and the RIR APNIC's exhaustion on April 15, 2011, some parts of the world have already exhausted their IPv4 allocations"
1295 2011-08-15 21:13:50 <mabus> when we run out of ipv4 address space we will just NAT the third world, i dont see the problem
1296 2011-08-15 21:13:50 <shLONG> shit
1297 2011-08-15 21:13:57 <edcba> right now
1298 2011-08-15 21:14:03 <edcba> everybody panics !!!
1299 2011-08-15 21:14:05 <shLONG> NAT the third world??
1300 2011-08-15 21:14:35 <mabus> and/or mobile devices yes
1301 2011-08-15 21:14:49 <mabus> not everybody needs an internet facing IP address
1302 2011-08-15 21:14:52 <Dagger3> uh, yeah, we'll NAT the first world too
1303 2011-08-15 21:14:59 <cjdelisle> China's already behind a firewall now [snicker]
1304 2011-08-15 21:15:10 <D0han> fuck that, NAT NATed networks!
1305 2011-08-15 21:15:40 <Eliel> yep, NAT is the best solution until ipv6 is really usable.
1306 2011-08-15 21:15:42 <Dagger3> ISPs are already doing CGN, and there's only going to be more once they can't get more addresses, not somehow magically less
1307 2011-08-15 21:16:16 * Eliel me wonders if the slow move to ipv6 is any indication about how tough it will be to get the bitcoin network upgraded when stuff happens in the future :P
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1309 2011-08-15 21:17:20 <D0han> if there will be autoupdate function for main client, i dont see any problem
1310 2011-08-15 21:17:33 <D0han> if not, well
1311 2011-08-15 21:17:33 <D0han> ;D
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1313 2011-08-15 21:18:28 <shLONG> china can have IPV4 we get IPV6
1314 2011-08-15 21:18:33 <shLONG> I can see that happening
1315 2011-08-15 21:19:03 <shLONG> IPV6 via the great firewall
1316 2011-08-15 21:19:29 <shLONG> wont be a big cost for china ipv6
1317 2011-08-15 21:19:36 <shLONG> if you see what im saying
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1320 2011-08-15 21:25:00 <cjdelisle> ip6 is like a bicycle. Some people think it's going to save the world but really, it's basicly just a toy.
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1323 2011-08-15 21:27:34 <ciscoftw_l33t> regarding bitcoin p2p connections. tcpdump analysis shows that my client connects to 6-8 nodes all via different protocols (accelenet, d-cinema-rrp, essbase, lupa, olsv, etc...) why would my source protocol be different for each connection i have to the swarm?
1324 2011-08-15 21:29:19 <cjdelisle> different protocols or different ports?
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1326 2011-08-15 21:30:24 <twobits> Asia needs ipv6 the most
1327 2011-08-15 21:30:47 <D0han> cjdelisle: i like toys
1328 2011-08-15 21:31:14 <D0han> ciscoftw_l33t: its probably just misinterpret of port numbers, as cjdelisle is sugessting
1329 2011-08-15 21:31:38 <cjdelisle> This toy is way cooler than ip6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTHWBSluUjU
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1332 2011-08-15 21:33:06 <ciscoftw_l33t> hmmm, thanks D0han, looking into that now
1333 2011-08-15 21:33:31 <ciscoftw_l33t> could just be wireshare F'in with me, as im using it to look via the capture, not vi/text :)
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1335 2011-08-15 21:35:20 <D0han> cjdelisle: its cool, but how to fly that shit? its like ~4sec in sight and dissapering
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1339 2011-08-15 21:35:36 <cjdelisle> /nod
1340 2011-08-15 21:36:22 <shLONG> fuck you !! you liar!
1341 2011-08-15 21:36:23 <shLONG> :p
1342 2011-08-15 21:37:03 <shLONG> OMG pimping jet
1343 2011-08-15 21:37:03 <cjdelisle> lied about what? :]
1344 2011-08-15 21:37:12 <ciscoftw_l33t> cjdelisle/d0han: ...as suggested, misinterpretation was indeed occuring... thanx for suggestion(s)
1345 2011-08-15 21:37:45 <shLONG> I wonder how the fuck they fly that shit without crashing it
1346 2011-08-15 21:37:52 <shLONG> it must crash so fucking easily
1347 2011-08-15 21:38:04 <shLONG> think its going that fast
1348 2011-08-15 21:38:11 <shLONG> turning it must be REALLY hard
1349 2011-08-15 21:38:14 <cjdelisle> 3000$ engine too which would not be fun to smash
1350 2011-08-15 21:38:24 <shLONG> yeah O_O
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1352 2011-08-15 21:38:35 <shLONG> they must land it with a parachute or something
1353 2011-08-15 21:39:17 <D0han> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgp3j-odseo
1354 2011-08-15 21:39:22 <D0han> pulse engine
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1357 2011-08-15 21:39:36 <cjdelisle> I've seen pulsejets before.
1358 2011-08-15 21:39:44 <cjdelisle> but flash isn't working :)
1359 2011-08-15 21:40:06 <ciscoftw_l33t> as bitcoin doesn't use any DHT, all clients need the entire blockchain. how does my bitcoin client know if its current blockchian needs to be updated, and what method does the update occur? any doc regarding bitcoin p2p structure/config
1360 2011-08-15 21:41:45 <D0han> it asks other clients
1361 2011-08-15 21:42:23 <ciscoftw_l33t> ..how does it know that the clients i'm asking have what i'm looking for without a DHT?
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1363 2011-08-15 21:43:52 <ciscoftw_l33t> sipa?
1364 2011-08-15 21:44:04 <D0han> dunno
1365 2011-08-15 21:44:19 <D0han> i think its just connect and ask
1366 2011-08-15 21:44:41 <ciscoftw_l33t> yeah, the whole p2p side of bitcoin is a big blur
1367 2011-08-15 21:44:55 <cjdelisle> everyone has everything so you don't need to guess where to ask...
1368 2011-08-15 21:45:55 <ciscoftw_l33t> thats not true, what about a new client who first connects... he may only have 15% of the complete blockchain, others in the swarm don't know how much of the chain he's downloaded without a DHT
1369 2011-08-15 21:46:31 <kinlo> so, what would be the most prominent reason for a bitcoin client to take several minutes before starting to download blocks?
1370 2011-08-15 21:46:33 <ciscoftw_l33t> ..thus could connect to his node and try downloading the chain from him (which he doens't have -a complete copy of yet)
1371 2011-08-15 21:47:25 <ciscoftw_l33t> kinlo: slow speeds
1372 2011-08-15 21:47:37 <kinlo> ciscoftw_l33t: which speeds are slow?
1373 2011-08-15 21:47:43 <kinlo> I've got a pretty good internet connection
1374 2011-08-15 21:47:50 <kinlo> I have 8 connections
1375 2011-08-15 21:47:51 <ciscoftw_l33t> bitcoin uses tcp for tracking, udp would be nice about now
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1377 2011-08-15 21:47:57 <kinlo> cpu usage is low
1378 2011-08-15 21:48:19 <ciscoftw_l33t> your currenlty dl'ing block now?
1379 2011-08-15 21:48:48 <kinlo> well
1380 2011-08-15 21:48:55 <kinlo> it's a client I've used yesterday
1381 2011-08-15 21:49:04 <kinlo> so I'm only 100 blocks behind
1382 2011-08-15 21:49:11 <ciscoftw_l33t> huh?
1383 2011-08-15 21:49:16 <kinlo> but after 5 minutes, only 1 block has been downloaded
1384 2011-08-15 21:49:33 <kinlo> I'd expect those 100 blocks to take no longer then 5 minutes, not just 1 block
1385 2011-08-15 21:50:19 <ciscoftw_l33t> yeah... shouldn't take more than 2hr for complete blockchain dl
1386 2011-08-15 21:50:23 <ciscoftw_l33t> try #bitcoin
1387 2011-08-15 21:50:36 <kinlo> this is the developers channel :p  cluefull people should be here :p
1388 2011-08-15 21:50:39 <ciscoftw_l33t> fuck it, windows box?
1389 2011-08-15 21:51:03 <ciscoftw_l33t> you think the dev's want to help troupbleshoot this lame ass issue?
1390 2011-08-15 21:51:06 <ciscoftw_l33t> aHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAha
1391 2011-08-15 21:51:24 <ciscoftw_l33t> ..notice i'm the only one to respond to you :)
1392 2011-08-15 21:51:46 <kinlo> not really
1393 2011-08-15 21:51:55 <ciscoftw_l33t> gl
1394 2011-08-15 21:52:09 <kinlo> this is the mac client atm
1395 2011-08-15 21:52:19 <kinlo> but can't see anything wrong
1396 2011-08-15 21:52:23 <kinlo> lemme look at debug log
1397 2011-08-15 21:52:33 <Blitzboom> jgarzik: any estimate at all on when 0.4 will be released?
1398 2011-08-15 21:54:15 <x6763> ciscoftw_l33t: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#version
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1400 2011-08-15 21:57:37 <x6763> ciscoftw_l33t: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Network
1401 2011-08-15 21:58:12 <ciscoftw_l33t> second link gold, thanx
1402 2011-08-15 22:01:06 <ciscoftw_l33t> x6763: finds inital peers via "irc.lfnet.org" did this recently to move to somthing ".ir"
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1405 2011-08-15 22:01:51 <x6763> ciscoftw_l33t: notice "start_height" in the version message on the first link...nodes tell each other the height of the blockchain that they have so far...other nodes claiming to have a heigher blockchain height than you is a hint that you don't have the full blockchain
1406 2011-08-15 22:02:02 <x6763> ciscoftw_l33t: no idea about the irc stuff
1407 2011-08-15 22:03:11 <ciscoftw_l33t> thanx x6763, the "start_height" is the answer to my dht question, thanx.
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1409 2011-08-15 22:04:52 <x6763> ciscoftw_l33t: no problem
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1443 2011-08-15 23:11:07 <nanotube> kinlo: i've noticed that sometimes on the linux client as well - long delay between getting connections, and starting to get blocks. probably something in the code could be improved...
1444 2011-08-15 23:11:43 <kinlo> nanotube: haven't pinpointed the issue yet, but indeed, once the blocks come in, they are getting in at a normal rate
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1446 2011-08-15 23:12:31 <nanotube> well, let's wait for some people to show up. or you could file a github issue if they don't.
1447 2011-08-15 23:12:35 <kinlo> nanotube: according to debug.log, the bitcoin client is spending more time on the AddAddress then anything else
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1449 2011-08-15 23:13:07 <kinlo> would be better if I dived into the code and started figuring things out, but I'm not that familiar with the code yet
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1451 2011-08-15 23:20:13 <kinlo> hmmmz
1452 2011-08-15 23:20:22 <kinlo> where does pnSeed comes from? :)
1453 2011-08-15 23:20:30 <kinlo> who's ip's are those :)
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1463 2011-08-15 23:34:53 <ciscoftw_l33t> kinlo: net.cpp, array pnSeed
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1466 2011-08-15 23:35:34 <cjdelisle> are those hardcoded "usually up nodes"?
1467 2011-08-15 23:35:47 <kinlo> that's where  I found it
1468 2011-08-15 23:36:08 <kinlo> I think so after reading the code
1469 2011-08-15 23:36:17 * cjdelisle just looked at ixcoin, nothing different but the name :P
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