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   3 2011-08-22 00:08:53 <nanotube> bernie: heh i wasn't on... but i hope you found that it was at onlyonetv hehe
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  15 2011-08-22 00:31:56 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r6d10ef2f6ec2 cgminer/ (6 files): Bump version numbers of kernels to indicate slightly different versions.
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  20 2011-08-22 01:01:52 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rf465397fa678 cgminer/NEWS: Update news for 1.5.7.
  21 2011-08-22 01:01:53 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rcc9d5f592790 cgminer/configure.ac: Bump version number to 1.5.7.
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  58 2011-08-22 02:25:30 <coderrr> where'd gmaxwell disappear to ?
  59 2011-08-22 02:28:54 <lfm> ;;seen gmaxwell
  60 2011-08-22 02:28:55 <gribble> gmaxwell was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, 9 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <gmaxwell> quick, split the chain.
  61 2011-08-22 02:29:46 <lfm> gone to the great bitbucket in the sky?
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  81 2011-08-22 03:12:47 <coderrr> lfm, did he get pwned for that doc release or something ?
  82 2011-08-22 03:13:15 <jrmithdobbs> nah he's around
  83 2011-08-22 03:13:19 <jrmithdobbs> just not in here
  84 2011-08-22 03:13:25 <coderrr> ah cool
  85 2011-08-22 03:13:32 <jrmithdobbs> 22:06 -!-  idle     : 0 days 4 hours 2 mins 38 secs [signon: Tue Aug  9 21:40:58 2011]
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  93 2011-08-22 03:50:26 <lfm> do we need to accept more than say 64 bits of extranonce?
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  99 2011-08-22 04:06:34 <asher^> has anyone noticed a big difference in cpu use when generating getwork between .23 and .24?
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 133 2011-08-22 05:44:46 <Rabbit67890> net split!!!!
 134 2011-08-22 05:47:22 <asher^^> hmm, done some more tests with .23 vs .24 (both patched with 4diff) the .24 build uses much more cpu (30% vs 8%) and performs much worse (2.47 TH/s simulated vs 3.15 from 10 clients)
 135 2011-08-22 05:47:35 <asher^^> i wonder if its some issue with the patches over the different versions, or something else
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 140 2011-08-22 05:50:27 <asher^> were there any changes in .24 that could account for this? or should i assume the patches are affecting it
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 143 2011-08-22 05:52:09 <Plasma-> I dont know much about the client, but I thought the mining stuff was deprecated
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 145 2011-08-22 05:52:20 <Plasma-> since CPU mining in the basic client was not very useful anymore?
 146 2011-08-22 05:52:28 <Plasma-> (since it only did CPU)
 147 2011-08-22 05:52:47 <nanotube> i think he's talking about getworks
 148 2011-08-22 05:52:55 <asher^> yes getworks themselves
 149 2011-08-22 05:53:28 <asher^> when i point 10 test units at bitcoind via pushpool i get much poorer performance on .24 than .23 (both with the same patches applied)
 150 2011-08-22 05:53:37 <Matth1a3> plasma: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/466
 151 2011-08-22 05:54:08 <asher^> maybe i need to build an unpatched .24 and see how it does :-|
 152 2011-08-22 05:57:34 <Guest73327> hi, I would like to discuss an issue I resolved a couple hours ago
 153 2011-08-22 05:58:22 <asher^> anyone know what boost/foreach.hpp (in net.h) does? it seems to be new in .24
 154 2011-08-22 05:59:08 <Guest73327> the original problem was that the bitcoin client, for currently unknown reasons, decided to display twice the amount of bitcoins available. some tests were made, which confirmed that there was an error.
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 156 2011-08-22 06:01:18 <Guest73327> the problem that I recently resolved pertained to a transaction failure, caused what I hoped to be a result of insufficient funds (despite the balance the client displayed). however, after fixing the problem, it turned out that I more than enough money to complete the transaction (thus, I redid my transaction).
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 158 2011-08-22 06:01:59 <Guest73327> what information is needed to identify the cause of this glitch? I'm running the latest version of bitcoin.
 159 2011-08-22 06:02:35 <nanotube> did you do anything unusual prior to the double-balance display occurrence?
 160 2011-08-22 06:02:45 <nanotube> or were you just running the client and not doing anything like moving wallets around, etc ?
 161 2011-08-22 06:03:37 <Guest73327> I did move my wallet between different OSes (as my main OS was broken), but this issue came up notably after the OS was recovered.
 162 2011-08-22 06:03:43 <Guest73327> *as I recall
 163 2011-08-22 06:04:50 <nanotube> hm well, stick around and see if anyone has any ideas. i'm going to sleep :) but the fact that you were "doing things" and moving wallet around suggests that maybe you did "something weird"
 164 2011-08-22 06:06:38 <Guest73327> it's possible that something may have happened while moving the wallet around, but it seems to me that more damaged should have occurred if that was the case (not to mention that the issue might have occurred well after the OS was recovered and bitcoin was running).
 165 2011-08-22 06:06:43 <Guest73327> *Goodnight.
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 208 2011-08-22 07:53:38 <asher^> anyone familiar with joelkatz's patches for bitcoin? (4diff)
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 213 2011-08-22 08:01:27 <shadders> anybody ever written a protobufs code generator plugin?
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 216 2011-08-22 08:02:14 <asher^> shadders mind if i pm you?
 217 2011-08-22 08:02:34 <shadders> sure...
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 358 2011-08-22 14:18:35 <spa> hi
 359 2011-08-22 14:18:48 <spa> hi
 360 2011-08-22 14:19:30 <spa> jk
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 362 2011-08-22 14:19:51 <lianj> spa: this is not how irc works. ask a question
 363 2011-08-22 14:20:12 <spa> sorry...my child was pressign keys
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 370 2011-08-22 14:27:00 <Vladimir> bitcoin.org.uk daily roll:
 371 2011-08-22 14:27:30 <Vladimir> ;;dice 1d108
 372 2011-08-22 14:27:30 <gribble> Error: Dice can't have more than 100 sides.
 373 2011-08-22 14:27:38 <Vladimir> ;;dice 1d100
 374 2011-08-22 14:27:38 <gribble> 72
 375 2011-08-22 14:28:06 <Vladimir> OzBitcoin
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 387 2011-08-22 14:55:00 <hochron> can I get the src for the bot in #bitcoin-market?
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 389 2011-08-22 14:56:26 <tcatm> hochron: telnet bitcoincharts.com 27007
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 391 2011-08-22 14:57:31 <hochron> ty
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 394 2011-08-22 15:07:33 <UukGoblin> tcatm, that's awesome! what's the T&Cs? can I use it for my stuff?
 395 2011-08-22 15:07:43 <UukGoblin> so much less lag than amphipod :-]
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 397 2011-08-22 15:11:37 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: T&C have no legal binding if you don't explicitly agree to them. ;p
 398 2011-08-22 15:11:54 <UukGoblin> true ;-]
 399 2011-08-22 15:11:56 <luke-jr> therefore, since you can just connect, there are none (beyond the obvious stuff covered by laws)
 400 2011-08-22 15:13:03 <tcatm> UukGoblin: the format might change, it might output invalid data (shouldn't happen that often anymore) and it might go down from time to time. I'm currently working on a realtime stream backend that will replace it soon (only important change will be that the client needs to do json handshaking).
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 402 2011-08-22 15:13:32 <UukGoblin> nice :-)
 403 2011-08-22 15:13:43 <UukGoblin> that's good enough of course
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 405 2011-08-22 15:17:32 <ThomasV> are there people developing an implementation of a bitcoin wallet on a smart card ? I remember reading something about that but I can't find where
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 420 2011-08-22 15:41:02 <nanotube> ThomasV: if you find it, let me know. i'd be very curious. two-factor auth for wallets has been a hot topic at the conference.
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 423 2011-08-22 15:42:04 <ThomasV> nanotube: if I had time, I would do it myself. it should not be too difficult
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 425 2011-08-22 15:42:41 <ThomasV> and I would love to have such a solution
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 435 2011-08-22 15:47:08 <RandomMinds> nanotube: nice to have met you at the convention yesterday. I hadn't told you my handle, but I was the guy with the darker full beard
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 437 2011-08-22 15:47:16 <RandomMinds> I finally registered here
 438 2011-08-22 15:48:18 <RandomMinds> I will be emailing gavin today... very excited to maybe start working on the testing suite
 439 2011-08-22 15:48:37 <upb> That reminds me - one of the pool owners has been embedding religious messages in the blockchain recently (Catholic ones by the looks of it). Same guy that created Tonal Bitcoin.
 440 2011-08-22 15:48:42 <upb> lol is this true luke-jr ?
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 442 2011-08-22 15:50:07 <luke-jr> upb: is that a quote?
 443 2011-08-22 15:50:59 <upb> yes
 444 2011-08-22 15:51:09 <luke-jr> link?
 445 2011-08-22 15:51:21 <upb> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3413928&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=424
 446 2011-08-22 15:51:26 <upb> but is it true?:P
 447 2011-08-22 15:51:33 <nanotube> RandomMinds: hey hey! :)
 448 2011-08-22 15:51:51 <luke-jr> sure; namecoin people couldn't get their part of merged mining usable, so I'm testing the bitcoin end with prayers ;)
 449 2011-08-22 15:52:19 <luke-jr> just the ordinary coinbase which Satoshi designed for political propaganda, not the txn spam some idiots are using to permanently pollute the block chain, mind you
 450 2011-08-22 15:52:20 <lookdang> lol
 451 2011-08-22 15:55:44 <ThomasV> upb: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38674.0
 452 2011-08-22 15:55:59 <ThomasV> I do not know why it was deleted
 453 2011-08-22 15:56:01 <upb> loooool
 454 2011-08-22 15:56:17 <ThomasV> luke-jr: was it true?
 455 2011-08-22 15:56:20 <upb> why catholic ones tho
 456 2011-08-22 15:56:27 <upb> do the quran
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 458 2011-08-22 15:56:57 <luke-jr> ThomasV: the original thread, not really. it was full of FUD and trolling
 459 2011-08-22 15:57:24 <ThomasV> luke-jr: is it true that you included prayers ?
 460 2011-08-22 15:57:37 <luke-jr> ThomasV: I already answered that recently. Read backscroll.
 461 2011-08-22 15:57:49 <luke-jr> kinda wish I had saved my final response to the troll thread
 462 2011-08-22 15:57:53 <upb> damn would love to read that thread :D
 463 2011-08-22 15:58:10 <upb> seems not to be on google cache
 464 2011-08-22 15:58:35 <ThomasV> no, you said " I'm testing the bitcoin end with prayers" ; this is not really an answer to my question, because "testing" could man anything
 465 2011-08-22 15:58:41 <ThomasV> s/man/mean
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 467 2011-08-22 15:59:24 <ThomasV> luke-jr: I am asking because I really would like to know what is going on here
 468 2011-08-22 15:59:47 <luke-jr> ThomasV: merged mining involves embedding specific data in the coinbase of a bitcoin block
 469 2011-08-22 15:59:48 <gavinandresen> uh, oh, I feel a religious argument coming on....
 470 2011-08-22 15:59:57 <upb> ahahhaha
 471 2011-08-22 16:00:01 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: not really
 472 2011-08-22 16:00:12 <upb> There is no god but One God
 473 2011-08-22 16:00:18 <luke-jr> ThomasV: the namecoin side producing said data doesn't work right yet, so I've been using prayers in its place ☺
 474 2011-08-22 16:00:19 <upb> allahu akbar
 475 2011-08-22 16:00:33 <ThomasV> I just want to know why this thread has been deleted
 476 2011-08-22 16:01:07 <UukGoblin> I wonder if reduced randomness hurts crypto in any way...
 477 2011-08-22 16:01:24 <upb> im not familiar with the merge mining rotocol really, but does it make the blockchain bigger?
 478 2011-08-22 16:01:32 <UukGoblin> but that'd be pretty... severe if it did, I guess
 479 2011-08-22 16:01:33 <upb> or is only a hash of a tree root included
 480 2011-08-22 16:01:49 <ThomasV> is it because the thread contained something false ? (in which case 90% of threads should be deleted), or because someone considered that it would hurt bitcoin if this information is more widely available (conspiracy theories!!)
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 482 2011-08-22 16:02:11 <luke-jr> ThomasV: presumably because it was FUD+trolling
 483 2011-08-22 16:02:20 <gavinandresen> upb:  see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Alternative_Chains
 484 2011-08-22 16:02:43 <luke-jr> upb: none of this makes the blockchain any significantly bigger than it would otherwise be
 485 2011-08-22 16:02:44 <upb> thx
 486 2011-08-22 16:03:04 <luke-jr> upb: strictly speaking, the coinbases can be purged from block chains immediately
 487 2011-08-22 16:03:11 <ThomasV> luke-jr: there's fud+trolling everywhere ; this censorship can only reinforce conspiracy theories
 488 2011-08-22 16:03:34 RandomMinds has left ("Leaving")
 489 2011-08-22 16:03:34 <upb> hmmm
 490 2011-08-22 16:03:42 <luke-jr> ThomasV: honestly, I've never had a big problem with the forums censoring trolling.
 491 2011-08-22 16:03:44 <D0han> where can i see these emedded prayers?
 492 2011-08-22 16:03:54 <luke-jr> D0han: strings ~/.bitcoin/blk0001.dat -n20
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 494 2011-08-22 16:04:17 <luke-jr> -n21 omits some of the transaction spam
 495 2011-08-22 16:05:15 <JFK911> piece of shit wont get blocks
 496 2011-08-22 16:05:39 <JFK911> going to downgrade back to 0.3.21 if it doesnt start working
 497 2011-08-22 16:05:55 <upb> ok i see how it works
 498 2011-08-22 16:06:36 <ThomasV> luke-jr: one could reasonably argue that they are not censoring trolling, but covering your ass
 499 2011-08-22 16:06:49 <upb> so the haram prayers are only included in the alternative chain not the bitcoin blocks
 500 2011-08-22 16:06:53 <luke-jr> ThomasV: not really
 501 2011-08-22 16:07:01 <upb> which makes it safe to use insallah
 502 2011-08-22 16:07:49 <upb> is this true?
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 505 2011-08-22 16:09:15 <upb> if instead of the hashes there are catholic prayers, a lot of people cannot use bitcoin anymore
 506 2011-08-22 16:09:47 <luke-jr> nonsense
 507 2011-08-22 16:09:49 <D0han> lol? why?
 508 2011-08-22 16:10:08 <asher^> not compatible with muslim OS?
 509 2011-08-22 16:10:33 <upb> yes
 510 2011-08-22 16:10:57 <luke-jr> asher^: actually, muslims generally tolerate Christians so long as they aren't ex-Muslims
 511 2011-08-22 16:11:10 <UukGoblin> hmm a bit unrelated question..: if a guy creates a private ssh key and makes it public on a website, asking people to connect to his server via ssh using said private key... does ssh encryption have any value then?
 512 2011-08-22 16:11:15 <asher^> i was being facetious
 513 2011-08-22 16:11:18 <D0han> luke-jr should include smth like 'hi mom!' ;D
 514 2011-08-22 16:11:46 <UukGoblin> I mean, can a user decrypt ssh traffic if he has the client private key?
 515 2011-08-22 16:11:54 <luke-jr> D0han: think of something more interesting and maybe :P
 516 2011-08-22 16:11:58 <upb> no he cant UukGoblin
 517 2011-08-22 16:12:07 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: client pkey, or user pkey?
 518 2011-08-22 16:12:09 <upb> that key is only for authentication of the user
 519 2011-08-22 16:12:21 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, the key that goes after ssh -i
 520 2011-08-22 16:12:22 <D0han> luke-jr: you can greet all of us there ;P
 521 2011-08-22 16:12:28 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: that's only used to authenticate
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 523 2011-08-22 16:12:39 <UukGoblin> ah, ok
 524 2011-08-22 16:12:39 <luke-jr> D0han: hmm… :>
 525 2011-08-22 16:13:13 <D0han> it would be nice to find 'D0han' after strings ~/.bitcoin/blk0001.dat
 526 2011-08-22 16:13:14 <D0han> ;)
 527 2011-08-22 16:13:15 <luke-jr> got about 80 chars… who gets in?
 528 2011-08-22 16:13:21 * D0han 
 529 2011-08-22 16:13:34 <luke-jr> D0han: your /me is broken, try again
 530 2011-08-22 16:13:40 <upb> to balance out the other prayers this should be included:
 531 2011-08-22 16:13:47 <luke-jr> upb: no.
 532 2011-08-22 16:13:48 <D0han> ;p
 533 2011-08-22 16:14:05 <D0han> luke-jr: it was intended empyt /me
 534 2011-08-22 16:14:14 <upb> اشهد ان لا اله الا الله
 535 2011-08-22 16:14:15 <luke-jr> D0han: apparently my client doesn't liek that
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 538 2011-08-22 16:16:21 <nanotube> luke-jr: go in order by forum/nickserv/otc registration age :P
 539 2011-08-22 16:16:39 <luke-jr> too much work. make me a list :P
 540 2011-08-22 16:16:49 <luke-jr> "Greets to Gavin, jgarzik, nanotube, …"?
 541 2011-08-22 16:16:59 <ThomasV> ok, I added some bits to the forum thread
 542 2011-08-22 16:17:42 <D0han> Greets to Gavin, jgarzik, nanotube, D0han by luke-jr
 543 2011-08-22 16:17:43 <D0han> :>
 544 2011-08-22 16:18:01 <upb> i dont see if the messages are in the same place as the extranonce etc  - that they could be 'pruned' somehow
 545 2011-08-22 16:18:04 <luke-jr> ThomasV: maybe it was the irony of it. censoring the forum thread calling for censoring of coinbases :P
 546 2011-08-22 16:18:07 <upb> they are there for ever
 547 2011-08-22 16:18:27 <luke-jr> upb: coinbases have no value beyond the initial verification
 548 2011-08-22 16:18:37 <ThomasV> the thread was calling for censoring ?
 549 2011-08-22 16:19:02 <luke-jr> ThomasV: more or less
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 551 2011-08-22 16:19:04 <upb> ahhhh true
 552 2011-08-22 16:19:11 <upb> it is the coinbase transaction
 553 2011-08-22 16:19:36 <ThomasV> IMO, deletion is intended to hide this whole story
 554 2011-08-22 16:19:50 <upb> yep so the shahada must be also put there
 555 2011-08-22 16:19:52 <luke-jr> ThomasV: that'd be fine if people didn't remember it
 556 2011-08-22 16:19:56 <luke-jr> there is no story, really
 557 2011-08-22 16:20:05 <ThomasV> let the streisand effect be with us!!!
 558 2011-08-22 16:20:07 <luke-jr> it's just one pool op trying to spread FUD against a competing pool
 559 2011-08-22 16:20:19 <asher^> all pool owners should write one sentence of a fictional story. each pool owner gets to write the next part of the story :)
 560 2011-08-22 16:20:28 <asher^> at least it will be something creative then :p
 561 2011-08-22 16:20:29 <luke-jr> asher^: that'd be pretty fun
 562 2011-08-22 16:20:41 <asher^> ya
 563 2011-08-22 16:21:01 <ThomasV> luke-jr: I do not think so. I think that your including prayers in the blockchain is absolutely miserable
 564 2011-08-22 16:21:28 <makomk> upb: the prayers are embedded in the bitcoin block chain. Permanentlu.
 565 2011-08-22 16:21:32 <luke-jr> ThomasV: none of your business what I do.
 566 2011-08-22 16:21:35 <luke-jr> makomk: no
 567 2011-08-22 16:21:47 <upb> unless the client is made tu prune transatctions
 568 2011-08-22 16:21:52 <upb> -t
 569 2011-08-22 16:21:52 <ThomasV> luke-jr: perhaps ; but people have the right to know
 570 2011-08-22 16:22:01 <makomk> upb: you can only prune whole transactions, not parts of transactions.
 571 2011-08-22 16:22:06 <upb> yes
 572 2011-08-22 16:22:13 <upb> i am so upset that typos are coming
 573 2011-08-22 16:22:20 <upb> must consult the imam
 574 2011-08-22 16:22:21 <luke-jr> ThomasV: they do know. long before the thread.
 575 2011-08-22 16:22:23 <makomk> Even then, anyone that wants to know that the pools aren't screwing them over needs to have a copy of the prayers.
 576 2011-08-22 16:22:33 <luke-jr> ThomasV: the problem is the spin trying to make it out to be a bad thing
 577 2011-08-22 16:22:45 <ThomasV> luke-jr: I, for one, did not know before the thread
 578 2011-08-22 16:22:51 <luke-jr> makomk: no, you can prune parts of txns
 579 2011-08-22 16:23:02 <ThomasV> luke-jr: but it IS a bad thing
 580 2011-08-22 16:23:05 <luke-jr> ThomasV: no, it isn't.
 581 2011-08-22 16:23:20 <ThomasV> it is a terribly bad thing and you are too fucking arrogant to realize
 582 2011-08-22 16:23:20 <makomk> luke-jr: if memory serves me correctly, transactions are identified by their hash.
 583 2011-08-22 16:23:26 <luke-jr> if Satoshi can put political propaganda in, I can put positive religious prayer in. :P
 584 2011-08-22 16:23:34 <luke-jr> makomk: so save the txn hash
 585 2011-08-22 16:23:57 <asher^> who gives a shit? who even reads the block headers?
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 587 2011-08-22 16:23:59 <ThomasV> yes, but pool users should know about it
 588 2011-08-22 16:24:00 <makomk> luke-jr: except that the only way of verifying that the hash matches the transaction is to have an unpruned copy.
 589 2011-08-22 16:24:06 <nanotube> luke-jr: heh i was just jokingly suggesting an algorithm since you were looking for one. that said, otc registration age is easy - just sort the gpg reg table by id. :)
 590 2011-08-22 16:24:12 <luke-jr> ThomasV: why? they're not involved.
 591 2011-08-22 16:24:33 <ThomasV> they give you the power to do that
 592 2011-08-22 16:24:36 <luke-jr> makomk: that applies for whole transactions too. you verify and then discard the excess
 593 2011-08-22 16:24:39 <upb> it might've been a random article of that day
 594 2011-08-22 16:24:44 <upb> not political propaganda
 595 2011-08-22 16:24:52 <asher^> its like saying a business should inform all of its customers if the owner donates to a church
 596 2011-08-22 16:24:55 <asher^> its garbage
 597 2011-08-22 16:24:57 <upb> but those false religion prayers serve no other purpose
 598 2011-08-22 16:24:57 <luke-jr> ^
 599 2011-08-22 16:25:14 <imsaguy2> its slightly different asher
 600 2011-08-22 16:25:28 <imsaguy2> its like a business should inform all of its employees if the owner donates to a church
 601 2011-08-22 16:25:40 <asher^> imsaguy yeah, because donations to a church will have an effect, text in a block header that noone reads wont
 602 2011-08-22 16:25:43 <ThomasV> no, it's not a donation
 603 2011-08-22 16:26:04 <ThomasV> it's a message that is copied onto everybody's hard disk
 604 2011-08-22 16:26:13 <asher^> why does this upset you guys?
 605 2011-08-22 16:26:15 <imsaguy2> so is the child porn
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 607 2011-08-22 16:26:27 <giulio_> hi
 608 2011-08-22 16:26:29 <upb> its like a business should inform its employees/customers that all the documents of the business have watermarked prayers in them
 609 2011-08-22 16:26:33 <giulio_> i have a problem running bitcoind
 610 2011-08-22 16:26:50 <giulio_> it doesn't start EXCEPTION: N5boost16exception_detail10clone_implINS0_19error_info_injectorINS_6system12system_errorEEEEE
 611 2011-08-22 16:26:53 <giulio_> Address already in use
 612 2011-08-22 16:26:56 <giulio_> bitcoin in ThreadRPCServer()
 613 2011-08-22 16:27:02 <ThomasV> what upsets me is censorship from forum admins
 614 2011-08-22 16:27:07 <luke-jr> ThomasV: prayers are at least as good as the other random data being copied otherwise
 615 2011-08-22 16:27:08 <giulio_> i have already tried to dele all /root/.bitcoin folder but nothing changed
 616 2011-08-22 16:27:19 <makomk> ThomasV: welcome to the Bitcoin forums.
 617 2011-08-22 16:27:20 <upb> false prayers are not
 618 2011-08-22 16:27:33 <upb> they are worse than random data
 619 2011-08-22 16:27:34 <luke-jr> upb: they're not false, so np
 620 2011-08-22 16:27:45 <upb> that depends o nthe point of view
 621 2011-08-22 16:27:48 <luke-jr> no, it doesn't.
 622 2011-08-22 16:27:50 <makomk> ThomasV: if you want to be able to refer to threads, keep a copy.
 623 2011-08-22 16:27:52 <cjdelisle> hehe still on this
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 625 2011-08-22 16:28:00 <luke-jr> btw, does anyone have a copy?
 626 2011-08-22 16:28:05 * luke-jr would like a copy
 627 2011-08-22 16:28:25 <cjdelisle> FWIW I think the prayers are funny because they make athiests mad :)
 628 2011-08-22 16:28:47 <upb> correcting this situation is possible by making two things 1) put te shahada there 2) put the censored forum thread there
 629 2011-08-22 16:28:51 <asher^> the amount of exposure these prayers have got by people biching about them is orders of magntude more than the exposure they got by just being there
 630 2011-08-22 16:28:54 <imsaguy2> I just don't like any of that unnecessary stuff being included, prayers or otherwise
 631 2011-08-22 16:28:56 <cjdelisle> Everyone could use a little broadening of their horizons
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 633 2011-08-22 16:29:22 <asher^> cjdelisle im atheist and they didnt make me mad
 634 2011-08-22 16:29:34 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: "unnecessary" stuff is included by design of the block chain
 635 2011-08-22 16:30:47 <makomk> cjdelisle: mostly it siou.
 636 2011-08-22 16:31:03 <makomk> seems to have potential to annoy the religious, even.
 637 2011-08-22 16:31:12 <asher^> sorry to change the topic to something related... but have any of you guys benchmarked .23 and .24 for getwork requests and found the older version a better performer?
 638 2011-08-22 16:31:19 <cjdelisle> re spam transactions, I'm waiting for imortalizatweet.com - 140 characters, in the bitcoin blockchain, forever.
 639 2011-08-22 16:31:25 <imsaguy2> asher^, you aren't the first to say that
 640 2011-08-22 16:31:29 <luke-jr> asher^: I use .23 currently
 641 2011-08-22 16:31:30 <imsaguy2> but I've not tested myself
 642 2011-08-22 16:31:31 <ThomasV> I am an atheist, but I will welcome the first muslim prayer that makes it into the blockchain
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 644 2011-08-22 16:31:46 <asher^> i get a 6% better rate from .23
 645 2011-08-22 16:31:48 <luke-jr> ThomasV: even if it's txn spam?
 646 2011-08-22 16:31:51 <asher^> both using 4diff patches btw
 647 2011-08-22 16:32:04 <ThomasV> luke-jr: coinbase
 648 2011-08-22 16:32:16 <asher^> luke-jr is that because of this reason? or some other reason?
 649 2011-08-22 16:32:37 <luke-jr> asher^: simply because I felt .24 was not yet tested enough
 650 2011-08-22 16:32:45 <asher^> ok
 651 2011-08-22 16:32:50 <cjdelisle> hmm TomCruseIsInTheCloset takes up exactly 22 characters...
 652 2011-08-22 16:33:22 <imsaguy2> then add PoorKatieHolmesforhavingtocoverforhim
 653 2011-08-22 16:33:22 <asher^> luke is your code for inserting messages into the headers published anywhere btw?
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 655 2011-08-22 16:33:34 <luke-jr> asher^: not presently.
 656 2011-08-22 16:33:46 <asher^> ok
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 658 2011-08-22 16:34:12 <ThomasV> O God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
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 660 2011-08-22 16:34:39 <imsaguy2> thanks for polluting the irc log ThomasV
 661 2011-08-22 16:34:44 <imsaguy2> ;)
 662 2011-08-22 16:34:46 <luke-jr> lol
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 664 2011-08-22 16:34:57 <ThomasV> O God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
 665 2011-08-22 16:34:57 <ThomasV> O God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
 666 2011-08-22 16:34:58 <ThomasV> O God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
 667 2011-08-22 16:35:06 <imsaguy2> I don't care, it was a joke.
 668 2011-08-22 16:35:15 <luke-jr> /ignore
 669 2011-08-22 16:35:17 <ThomasV> malkovich
 670 2011-08-22 16:35:23 <asher^> dont you know thats stored on people hard drives?!
 671 2011-08-22 16:35:37 <imsaguy2> and available via google.com
 672 2011-08-22 16:35:47 <ThomasV> yes
 673 2011-08-22 16:36:09 <luke-jr> Microsoft should be required to tell all its employees about every easter egg in their software
 674 2011-08-22 16:36:10 <luke-jr> :p
 675 2011-08-22 16:36:24 <luke-jr> that's the best analogy IMO
 676 2011-08-22 16:36:42 <cjdelisle> Actually at Microsoft, easter egg = fired.
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 678 2011-08-22 16:37:01 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: so every one of the many easter eggs has resulted in someone being fired?
 679 2011-08-22 16:37:02 <imsaguy2> They've removed all the known easter eggs
 680 2011-08-22 16:37:11 <imsaguy2> no, the culture has changed
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 682 2011-08-22 16:37:20 <imsaguy2> they're no longer acceptable
 683 2011-08-22 16:37:27 <cjdelisle> "No undocumented features" because they sell software to governments.
 684 2011-08-22 16:37:43 <luke-jr> lame
 685 2011-08-22 16:37:52 <luke-jr> easter eggs were probably the best thing about MS crap
 686 2011-08-22 16:37:53 <cjdelisle> So *everything* has some kind of (usually horrable and vague) documentation.
 687 2011-08-22 16:37:54 <luke-jr> :p
 688 2011-08-22 16:38:39 <cjdelisle> /** When you call this function some stuff happens. */
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 692 2011-08-22 16:44:58 <ThomasV> yay!!! theymos restored the thread :-)
 693 2011-08-22 16:45:03 <luke-jr> link?
 694 2011-08-22 16:45:29 <ThomasV> same as before
 695 2011-08-22 16:46:14 <ThomasV> hmm, "Catholics do not believe in freedom of religion"
 696 2011-08-22 16:46:52 <D0han> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38007
 697 2011-08-22 16:48:11 <ThomasV> hmm, "Why are there still no ASCII penises in the block chain?!"
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 700 2011-08-22 16:49:40 <gavinandresen> I hope the 'graffiti in the block chain' meme dies fairly quickly.
 701 2011-08-22 16:50:21 <ThomasV> I'm afraid it's here to stay
 702 2011-08-22 16:50:46 <b4epoche> gavinandresen:  I have to give a TEDxPSU talk on bitcoin in a couple months.  Can I use material from your CIA talk?
 703 2011-08-22 16:51:06 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: how was the conference?
 704 2011-08-22 16:53:08 <gavinandresen> b4epoche: yes, feel free to use whatever you like.  I tried to be careful about putting image credits on my slides.
 705 2011-08-22 16:53:35 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: conference was fantastic; exceeded my expectations
 706 2011-08-22 16:54:04 <luke-jr> I was considering going, but didn't quite realize it was so soon
 707 2011-08-22 16:54:50 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: are there some ongoing efforts to implement a wallet on a smart card ?
 708 2011-08-22 16:55:06 <luke-jr> ThomasV: I'm pretty sure yes
 709 2011-08-22 16:55:08 <gavinandresen> ThomasV: I don't know.   Probably.
 710 2011-08-22 16:55:27 <luke-jr> at least one person commenting on the Wallet Protocol page seems to be at least interested in doing t
 711 2011-08-22 16:55:28 <luke-jr> it*
 712 2011-08-22 16:55:36 <gavinandresen> ThomasV: ... just storing keying material on the card doesn't solve enough of the security problem to be worth it, in my opinion.
 713 2011-08-22 16:55:41 <ThomasV> I would love to get in touch with whoever is doing it
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 716 2011-08-22 16:56:23 <mabus> what if somebody included cp in the blockchain?
 717 2011-08-22 16:56:42 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: I am not talking about using someone else's device to read it
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 721 2011-08-22 16:58:44 <gavinandresen> mabus: there are a couple forums threads about that, it has been discussed to death in my opinion
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 723 2011-08-22 17:00:52 <nanotube> gavinandresen: well, a hw device that stores the private keys, and the user verification and signing actually happens on the device, would solve the trojan/keylogger problems. it would also do very well in combination with the multikey stuff. but even without, it'd go a long way.
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 725 2011-08-22 17:01:10 <ThomasV> what I would like to see is a deterministic wallet implemented on a smart card, and protected by pin code. to use it, I would plug a card reader on my computer, or I could use it in a smart phone, if the phone can hold 2 cards
 726 2011-08-22 17:01:24 <gavinandresen> nanotube: yes, if the device can do display/txn confirmation that'd be way cool.
 727 2011-08-22 17:01:37 <b4epoche> gavinandresen:  thanks
 728 2011-08-22 17:01:38 <ThomasV> deterministic means that you could lose the card without losing the money
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 730 2011-08-22 17:02:23 <luke-jr> except the cost of the device itself :P
 731 2011-08-22 17:02:27 <ThomasV> nanotube: yes, smart cards are designed to protect against keyloggers and trojans
 732 2011-08-22 17:02:36 <nanotube> gavinandresen: that's the only way to do it. otherwise you're still open to attacks on the data stream between computer and device.
 733 2011-08-22 17:02:39 <ThomasV> luke-jr: it is cheap
 734 2011-08-22 17:02:42 <luke-jr> it *does* need to display the amount you're sending though
 735 2011-08-22 17:02:51 <luke-jr> which means some kind of LCD screen
 736 2011-08-22 17:02:58 <ThomasV> no, your application would do that
 737 2011-08-22 17:03:00 <nanotube> ThomasV: see above. data stream can be modified before it gets to the card.
 738 2011-08-22 17:03:10 <luke-jr> ThomasV: so I display 1 BTC, and request the device send 100
 739 2011-08-22 17:03:27 <nanotube> well, lcd screens are cheap these days :P
 740 2011-08-22 17:03:34 <ThomasV> sure, but at some point you have to trust something
 741 2011-08-22 17:03:49 <nanotube> ThomasV: why? if you do verification on device, you don't have to trust your computer.
 742 2011-08-22 17:03:49 <luke-jr> ThomasV: that's why my device would show the amount ;)
 743 2011-08-22 17:03:58 <luke-jr> trust only your own hardware
 744 2011-08-22 17:04:07 <nanotube> if the goal is to be safe even on a compromised computer... you gotta go all the way.
 745 2011-08-22 17:04:15 <gavinandresen> ... amount and last-four-digits of bitcoin address would work.
 746 2011-08-22 17:04:33 <nanotube> gavinandresen: addresses are short enough that you can display  all of it.
 747 2011-08-22 17:04:40 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: that'd be useless
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 749 2011-08-22 17:04:42 <nanotube> even if you have to scroll right-left to see it all,
 750 2011-08-22 17:04:47 <ThomasV> nanotube: but then why would you trust the smart card? it could be compromised too, whey you bought it
 751 2011-08-22 17:04:55 <luke-jr> if the address were compromised, it only takes a few seconds to come up with an address using the same last-4
 752 2011-08-22 17:05:09 <cjdelisle> Yea, the device needs a screen and approve/reject buttons. If you're going to do that then you might aswell add a qr code reader so you don't need to fool around with vulnerable protocols like bluetooth
 753 2011-08-22 17:05:10 <ThomasV> the software flasing eprom could be compromised
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 755 2011-08-22 17:05:27 <nanotube> ThomasV: you gotta think about what attack vector you're protecting against. if the vector is "compromised compmuter", which is what i assume we're all talking about
 756 2011-08-22 17:05:40 <nanotube> then your card needs to display info for confirmation.
 757 2011-08-22 17:05:54 <nanotube> of course if you trust neither computer nor card, then you're not going to solve this with a card. :)
 758 2011-08-22 17:06:05 <ThomasV> :-)
 759 2011-08-22 17:06:28 <cjdelisle> it would be nice to have a handheld device with a card slot so you can pull the card out and store it in a safe place.
 760 2011-08-22 17:06:44 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: right you are.  Ok, last n-digits, where n is large enough that you'd notice if it was taking a long time....
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 762 2011-08-22 17:07:15 <nanotube> yea, but if you have the ability to display the whole thing... why bother restricting to n digits?
 763 2011-08-22 17:07:31 <nanotube> if your screen can display n digits, it can also display the whole thing n digits at a time
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 765 2011-08-22 17:07:57 <makomk> Hmmmm. That's a thought... in theory I could implement a simple wallet on smart card.
 766 2011-08-22 17:08:25 <gavinandresen> nanotube: usability testing might show that users are less likely to check if there are 37 characters rather than 5 or 6.
 767 2011-08-22 17:09:08 <b4epoche> it could be like confirmations… show user first 6
 768 2011-08-22 17:09:19 <nanotube> have a 'pro mode' which scrolls for you to see the whole address, and a 'dumb user mode' that doesn't scroll and only shows last n. i could live with that. :)
 769 2011-08-22 17:09:20 <b4epoche> if they want to check further show next 6
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 771 2011-08-22 17:09:57 <luke-jr> better than displaying the address in base58 would be a graph like OpenSSH does lately
 772 2011-08-22 17:09:59 <gavinandresen> (usability testing would also work out whether first 6 or last 6 or first and last 3 is easiest/best....)
 773 2011-08-22 17:10:27 <gavinandresen> (or ascii art or....   there MUST already be research on all this, right?)
 774 2011-08-22 17:10:37 <nanotube> there probably is. :)
 775 2011-08-22 17:10:42 <b4epoche> those openssh graphs are stupid, imo
 776 2011-08-22 17:11:06 <nanotube> having a small linear display that can scroll if needed, is a lot cheaper than having a large 2d display that can show you asciiart, though.
 777 2011-08-22 17:11:48 <luke-jr> meh
 778 2011-08-22 17:12:03 <luke-jr> I'm happy with keeping the wallet secure at home and accessing it remotely :P
 779 2011-08-22 17:12:10 <luke-jr> with a trusted handheld PC
 780 2011-08-22 17:13:10 <nanotube> anyway, i have a feeling we're painting the bikeshed now. i think we agree that amount and recipient should be displayed. the details of how they are displayed can be left for a later stage heh
 781 2011-08-22 17:13:30 <cjdelisle> Actually the address is difficult to be sure of, if someone pasts an address in IRC, a trojan can just aswell recognize a "probable bitcoin address" and replace with it's own on the wire.
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 783 2011-08-22 17:14:09 <nanotube> cjdelisle: call the guy and have him read the address out to you.
 784 2011-08-22 17:14:12 <cjdelisle> The really important part to get right is the amount, you don't want to be giving away your retirement when you think you're buying a bag of coffee.
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 786 2011-08-22 17:14:26 <thenightmare> I've seen the forum posts about other people with pushpool speweing out too many open files. They say raise ulimit on your VPS. I'm running dedicated hardware and ulimit was already set at unlimited. Any ideas?
 787 2011-08-22 17:14:26 <b4epoche> these would be like pre-paid bitcoin cards?
 788 2011-08-22 17:14:38 <ThomasV> nanotube: the terminator robot can fake his voice
 789 2011-08-22 17:14:45 <nanotube> ThomasV: lol
 790 2011-08-22 17:15:19 <luke-jr> thenightmare: ulimit -a
 791 2011-08-22 17:15:30 <b4epoche> cjdelisle:  but if you only loaded, say, $50 on the card before leaving you'd avoid that problem
 792 2011-08-22 17:16:07 <cjdelisle> Yup, that's (IMO) why the ability to read smartcards is a critical feature.
 793 2011-08-22 17:16:21 <thenightmare> luke-jr, do I want to increase all of those?
 794 2011-08-22 17:16:45 <luke-jr> thenightmare: just open files
 795 2011-08-22 17:16:58 <cjdelisle> thenightmare: you might want to google some about ulimit.
 796 2011-08-22 17:17:01 <luke-jr> thenightmare: or better yet, just use Eligius ;)
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 798 2011-08-22 17:17:56 <thenightmare> What's a good number? And I'll go google ulimit right now. Thanks guys
 799 2011-08-22 17:18:07 <gavinandresen> ... but I heard a rumor Eligius was putting dead kittens in the block chain.... :-)
 800 2011-08-22 17:18:14 <cjdelisle> hehe
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 802 2011-08-22 17:19:09 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: no u
 803 2011-08-22 17:19:12 <cjdelisle> mine with Luke, put prayer in chain, athiests umad
 804 2011-08-22 17:19:13 <thenightmare> Dead kittens, that's a borderline no no. But at least better than prayers I guess.
 805 2011-08-22 17:19:25 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: miners don't put prayers in the chain, I do.
 806 2011-08-22 17:19:59 <ThomasV> guns don't kill people, I do
 807 2011-08-22 17:20:06 <luke-jr> :P
 808 2011-08-22 17:20:33 <ThomasV> well, my point is that without miners you would not be able to put prayers in the chain
 809 2011-08-22 17:20:42 <copumpkin> we could put one name of god into every block
 810 2011-08-22 17:20:52 <luke-jr> ThomasV: sure I would, I'd just have to resort to permanent txn spam ;)
 811 2011-08-22 17:22:38 <ThomasV> copumpkin: like in the Nine Billion Names of God ?
 812 2011-08-22 17:22:43 <copumpkin> yeah
 813 2011-08-22 17:23:04 <b4epoche> In God We Trust
 814 2011-08-22 17:23:13 <copumpkin> In God You Trust
 815 2011-08-22 17:23:20 <b4epoche> fuck no
 816 2011-08-22 17:23:39 <b4epoche> just saying, it's already on our stupid money
 817 2011-08-22 17:23:44 <luke-jr> Trust In God, You!
 818 2011-08-22 17:24:16 <copumpkin> oh yeah
 819 2011-08-22 17:24:21 <copumpkin> we should slap that into bitcoin too
 820 2011-08-22 17:24:21 <b4epoche> In Physics We Trust would be much better
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 824 2011-08-22 17:25:31 <ThomasV> ok, bbl
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 827 2011-08-22 17:25:43 <jtaylor> in ecdsa we trust is probably most appropriate
 828 2011-08-22 17:26:05 <anddam> hi
 829 2011-08-22 17:26:18 <luke-jr> jtaylor: no, SHA256
 830 2011-08-22 17:26:36 <Eliel> ummh... both?
 831 2011-08-22 17:26:42 <jtaylor> the sha can be replaced, ecdsa not?
 832 2011-08-22 17:26:45 <luke-jr> Eliel: ECDSA is more viable to replace
 833 2011-08-22 17:26:52 <cjdelisle> I'm not interested in religion nor mining but the thought of athiestic extremists coming to the realization that there are a significant number of people in the bitcoin community who are knowingly helping to put prayers into the chain just brings joy to my heart.
 834 2011-08-22 17:27:33 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: miners don't help put prayers in, they help keep them temporary! :P
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 836 2011-08-22 17:27:45 <lianj> in mtgox we trust
 837 2011-08-22 17:27:49 * lianj giggles
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 839 2011-08-22 17:28:06 <jtaylor> what kind of prayers actually? tibetian prayer wheels?
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 841 2011-08-22 17:28:16 <RandomMinds> in math we trust
 842 2011-08-22 17:28:22 <jtaylor> these actually kind og make sense to put in the blockchain ^^
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 845 2011-08-22 17:28:39 <cjdelisle> Well they could boycott and move to another pool but they AFAIK are not which is must be blowing a thousand little athiest minds.
 846 2011-08-22 17:28:43 <jtaylor> dalai lama says it has an effect when they spin around on harddisks xD
 847 2011-08-22 17:29:10 <b4epoche> what is the back story to this?
 848 2011-08-22 17:29:12 * cjdelisle comes from a long line of trolls
 849 2011-08-22 17:29:17 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: my point is that even without the pool, I could send them as txn spam and then they would be permanent
 850 2011-08-22 17:29:19 <jtaylor> http://dharma-haven.org/tibetan/prayer-wheel.htm
 851 2011-08-22 17:29:20 <asher^> cjdelisle you seem to have an odd view of atheists
 852 2011-08-22 17:29:39 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: therefore one can argue, that by "helping" put them in coinbases, the miners are in fact assisting keep them temporal
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 854 2011-08-22 17:29:53 <b4epoche> did some pool corrupt the chain with prayer?
 855 2011-08-22 17:30:03 <luke-jr> b4epoche: it's not corrupt, no
 856 2011-08-22 17:30:03 <lianj> 10k of ascii in the script stack of a transaction
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 858 2011-08-22 17:30:29 <b4epoche> luke-jr:  corrupt in a meta-physical sense
 859 2011-08-22 17:30:34 <luke-jr> b4epoche: it's not corrupt, no
 860 2011-08-22 17:31:01 <cjdelisle> :D
 861 2011-08-22 17:31:58 * b4epoche is going to start putting ascii porn in to offset the prayers
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 863 2011-08-22 17:32:30 <luke-jr> b4epoche: spammer
 864 2011-08-22 17:33:16 <cjdelisle> yea txn spam is just lame, anyone can do it
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 866 2011-08-22 17:34:03 <cjdelisle> coinbase spam only exists because a significant amount of the bitcoin community supports it, that's what makes it awesome
 867 2011-08-22 17:34:15 <luke-jr> coinbase content isn't spam, it's by design
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 884 2011-08-22 17:59:51 <upb> luke-jr: is it catholic by design?
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 891 2011-08-22 18:06:48 <giulio> can anyone help me with this error?
 892 2011-08-22 18:07:01 <giulio> EXCEPTION: N5boost16exception_detail10clone_implINS0_19error_info_injectorINS_6system12system_errorEEEEE
 893 2011-08-22 18:07:04 <giulio> Address already in use
 894 2011-08-22 18:07:06 <giulio> bitcoin in ThreadRPCServer()
 895 2011-08-22 18:07:09 <giulio> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<boost::system::system_error> >' what():  Address already in use
 896 2011-08-22 18:07:25 <giulio> There isn't any other process using the configured port
 897 2011-08-22 18:07:27 <giulio> and bitcoind isn't already running
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 900 2011-08-22 18:07:39 <giulio> i've also rebooted the machine but nothing changed
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 914 2011-08-22 18:17:06 <upb> ahahahahahha w t f
 915 2011-08-22 18:17:07 <upb> 16:40 luke-jr the Crusades were good.
 916 2011-08-22 18:17:10 <upb> WTF
 917 2011-08-22 18:17:35 <upb> really amazed by the logs referred by that thread
 918 2011-08-22 18:17:36 <upb> !
 919 2011-08-22 18:19:22 <luke-jr> upb: brainwashed?
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 922 2011-08-22 18:19:50 <makomk> Even some of the people that lead the Crusades were ashamed of them...
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 924 2011-08-22 18:21:05 <upb> yep luke-jr that would be the correct diagnosis :D
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 926 2011-08-22 18:22:16 <luke-jr> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm <-- some facts on the Crusades
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 929 2011-08-22 18:22:29 <gavinandresen> (don't feed the trolls, luke....)
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 931 2011-08-22 18:22:59 <gavinandresen> (not that I'm saying anybody here is a troll.  On purpose.)
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 935 2011-08-22 18:23:25 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: linking the ignorant to facts won't feed them too much :P
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 937 2011-08-22 18:26:07 <upb> http://jewwatch.com/ <- more facts, proven 100% correct.
 938 2011-08-22 18:26:46 <erus`> 50% correct 100% of the time
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 940 2011-08-22 18:27:31 <hugolp> giulio I just had the same issue
 941 2011-08-22 18:27:37 <hugolp> and bitcoind was working this morning
 942 2011-08-22 18:27:41 <hugolp> I have not changed anything
 943 2011-08-22 18:27:49 <hugolp> anyone else is having problems with bitcoind?
 944 2011-08-22 18:28:37 <hugolp> Im getting this: http://pastebin.com/qrMXbdLz
 945 2011-08-22 18:31:20 <gavinandresen> giulio's problem was trying to use 8333 for the rpcport.  8333 is the bitcoin protocol port, 8332 is the default rpcport.  He fixed it by using rpcport=8011
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 950 2011-08-22 18:33:11 <hugolp> its working now. No idea what happened.
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 954 2011-08-22 18:44:46 <mnass_> question: i have deleted my .bitocoin folder on my linux machine. backuped the wallet.dat before - then i restarted the client with --rescan ... are my old adresses still my adresses? i have several adresses placed in the net - does payments to this adresses still reach my wallet?
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 957 2011-08-22 18:46:03 <Eliel> mnass: assuming the backup is intact and you copied it into the new .bitcoin folder, it should work as before.
 958 2011-08-22 18:46:26 <Eliel> mnass: as soon as the blockchain has downloaded itself again
 959 2011-08-22 18:47:00 <mnass> Eliel, everything else works - but i only backed up the wallet dat - thought adresses may be stored in the addr.dat - wich i deleted
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 962 2011-08-22 18:47:23 <Eliel> wallet.dat has everything needed to access your bitcoins.
 963 2011-08-22 18:47:34 <Eliel> you only need to backup wallet.dat
 964 2011-08-22 18:47:35 <mnass> and older adresses too?
 965 2011-08-22 18:48:07 <mnass> earlier generated adresses still point to my wallet?
 966 2011-08-22 18:48:24 <Eliel> if they were generated with that wallet, then yes.
 967 2011-08-22 18:48:44 <mnass> ok thanks Eliel
 968 2011-08-22 18:48:54 <Eliel> but you've got it backwards. addresses don't point to wallet. The wallet contains the addresses.
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 970 2011-08-22 18:49:20 <mnass> ok - now ive get it ....
 971 2011-08-22 18:50:08 <sirky> right, the actual coins are recorded in your address by every single person running the client
 972 2011-08-22 18:50:40 <mnass> there was a bug after my comuter turned off due to overheating - ive got an error message when i tried to restart, therefor ive deleted the folder
 973 2011-08-22 18:50:44 <sirky> the wallet.dat is basically the keyring to use those coins (very oversimplified)
 974 2011-08-22 18:51:24 <mnass> someone german is needed to translate satoshis paper - its too difficoult for me to read it in english
 975 2011-08-22 18:53:41 <mtrlt> it's better for you to learn english instead
 976 2011-08-22 18:53:50 <mtrlt> :-)
 977 2011-08-22 18:56:42 <yebyen> mnass: what part is difficult?
 978 2011-08-22 18:57:20 <yebyen> the math is kind of heavy, and the section about proof-of-work
 979 2011-08-22 18:57:32 <yebyen> but I think the whole paper is pretty good on comprehensibility
 980 2011-08-22 18:57:41 <mnass> yebyen, didnt tried yet to read it, just downloaded ... but i think this very sophisticated things are hard to read
 981 2011-08-22 18:58:08 <yebyen> have you used bitcoin for a while?
 982 2011-08-22 18:58:17 <mnass> yes yebyen
 983 2011-08-22 18:58:28 <yebyen> some experiments (figure out how to get unconfirmed transactions on a testnet) will help you understand :)
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 988 2011-08-22 19:03:38 <IO-afk> oh, bot
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 991 2011-08-22 19:11:24 <hugolp> How can you pass an optional parameter to a command of bitcoind?
 992 2011-08-22 19:11:41 <hugolp> f.e: how can I pass minconf=3 to listreceivedbyaccount ?
 993 2011-08-22 19:11:43 <jrmithdobbs> you put it on the commandline
 994 2011-08-22 19:11:59 <gavinandresen> listreceivedbyaccount "foo" 3
 995 2011-08-22 19:12:15 <gavinandresen> (if minconf is the second param, which I don't remember if it is)
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1013 2011-08-22 19:33:10 <gyver> I may have found a bug (or misunderstood something about address management in the bitcoin client)
1014 2011-08-22 19:33:48 <gyver> using wxbitcoin, I transferred from one client to the address displayed in the "Your Bitcoin Address" field
1015 2011-08-22 19:33:51 <gyver> it worked
1016 2011-08-22 19:34:34 <gyver> today, I made a new transaction, using the same address and it didn't work (origin debited, destination doesn't see the tx)
1017 2011-08-22 19:34:35 <b4epoche> TruCoin?
1018 2011-08-22 19:35:04 <gyver> b4epoche: actual BTC, not on testnet if I understood you
1019 2011-08-22 19:35:24 <b4epoche> gyver:  sorry that was unrelated
1020 2011-08-22 19:35:32 <b4epoche> trucoin.com
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1022 2011-08-22 19:37:03 <gyver> can the private key for the address displayed in "Your Bitcoin Address" be dropped ?
1023 2011-08-22 19:37:15 <gyver> is it expected ?
1024 2011-08-22 19:37:41 <gyver> nevermind
1025 2011-08-22 19:37:51 <gyver> it just took its sweet time
1026 2011-08-22 19:38:06 <gyver> probably 15 minutes before reaching the other bitcoin client
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1028 2011-08-22 19:38:39 <gyver> was used to sub minute sync
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1087 2011-08-22 21:26:59 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
1088 2011-08-22 21:27:00 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> (if minconf is the second param, which I don't remember if it is)
1089 2011-08-22 21:27:08 <BlueMatt> ;;seen jgarzik
1090 2011-08-22 21:27:09 <gribble> jgarzik was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 3 days, 20 hours, 52 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <jgarzik> next stop: Penn Station and bitconf
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1122 2011-08-22 22:26:54 <m03sizlak> anyone looking for a GREAT investment opportinity:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38740.0
1123 2011-08-22 22:27:58 <cjdelisle> getting rid of it?
1124 2011-08-22 22:28:03 <cjdelisle> not enough players?
1125 2011-08-22 22:29:10 <phantomcircuit> m03sizlak, what's your average daily volume
1126 2011-08-22 22:29:24 <m03sizlak> its been kive 3 weeks
1127 2011-08-22 22:29:28 <m03sizlak> its made 120 BTC
1128 2011-08-22 22:29:30 <m03sizlak> *live
1129 2011-08-22 22:29:36 <phedny_> m03sizlak: why do you want to sell?
1130 2011-08-22 22:29:46 <m03sizlak> that 120BTC is 2.3% of the sum of all bets
1131 2011-08-22 22:29:56 <m03sizlak> phedny_, i live in the US
1132 2011-08-22 22:30:10 <phedny_> ah, I see :)
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1134 2011-08-22 22:30:24 <m03sizlak> maybe the next owner will too, i spoke to some layers who specialize in this kinda thing
1135 2011-08-22 22:30:33 <m03sizlak> they described it as a legal gray area
1136 2011-08-22 22:30:46 <phedny_> yeah, indeed
1137 2011-08-22 22:30:48 <m03sizlak> saying that it MAY be in violation of the Federal Wire Act
1138 2011-08-22 22:31:04 <m03sizlak> The U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the Wire Act prohibition on the transmission of wagers applies only to sports betting and not other types of online gambling.[2] The Supreme Court has not ruled on the meaning of the Federal Wire Act as it pertains to online gambling.
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1141 2011-08-22 22:31:25 <m03sizlak> so there is some risk, but you should be able to fly under the radar for quite some time
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1150 2011-08-22 22:47:14 <BlueMatt> ;;seen devrandom
1151 2011-08-22 22:47:15 <gribble> devrandom was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 week, 1 day, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt my latest commit does deterministic mingw executables, but there are still ~10 bytes changing on the nsis exe
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1154 2011-08-22 22:49:26 <BlueMatt> ;;later tell devrandom Would it be ok to change the output of the wx+boost gitian scripts to a tgz or zip directly instead of outputting the files and then zipping it manually?  The multi-file stuff really only helps with debugging non-deterministic results, right?
1155 2011-08-22 22:49:26 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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1174 2011-08-22 23:12:49 <fabianhjr> I corrupted a wallet dat, looking at it with gedit, still wondering how to fix it or get the coins back. Can anyone help?
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1181 2011-08-22 23:14:52 <cjdelisle> fabianhjr: are you sure you corrupted it? did you press save?
1182 2011-08-22 23:15:16 <fabianhjr> Not saved over it. Just you know I was messing with partitions and I accidentalled the whole drive.
1183 2011-08-22 23:15:35 <cjdelisle> ahh so the whole thing is gone?
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1185 2011-08-22 23:15:58 <fabianhjr> No, I did a raw recovery and got back my wallet.dat sized 1 MB
1186 2011-08-22 23:16:26 <fabianhjr> Though, the client doesn't want to load it.
1187 2011-08-22 23:16:46 <BlueMatt> private keys have a large set of constant bytes, you are gonna want to look for those and reimport
1188 2011-08-22 23:16:52 <BlueMatt> (to a new wallet.dat)
1189 2011-08-22 23:17:05 <BlueMatt> also, have you tried looking at the wallet with bitcointools to see what the state of that wallet is?
1190 2011-08-22 23:17:34 <fabianhjr> BlueMatt: will try bitcointools, I guess it is in github right?
1191 2011-08-22 23:18:18 <Diablo-D3> [07:08:28] <fabianhjr> Not saved over it. Just you know I was messing with partitions and I accidentalled the whole drive.
1192 2011-08-22 23:18:24 <Diablo-D3> this is why you make frequent backups
1193 2011-08-22 23:18:37 <BlueMatt> gavin's github
1194 2011-08-22 23:19:17 <BlueMatt> fabianhjr: this probably wont work too well with a partially missing wallet, but you might try reading: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=11331.0
1195 2011-08-22 23:19:45 <JFK911> oh no he accidentally the whole drive
1196 2011-08-22 23:19:48 <JFK911> hard luck
1197 2011-08-22 23:20:09 <fabianhjr> Diablo-D3: my backup went bad too, when I realized I accidentalled the whole thing my backup was rewritten. xD
1198 2011-08-22 23:20:28 <fabianhjr> It was a logic error more than a physical one.
1199 2011-08-22 23:20:43 <BlueMatt> you accidentally what your drive?
1200 2011-08-22 23:21:16 <Diablo-D3> fabianhjr: ... nice.
1201 2011-08-22 23:21:20 <Diablo-D3> blueMatt: the whole thing
1202 2011-08-22 23:21:34 <BlueMatt> wiped the drive?
1203 2011-08-22 23:21:47 <BlueMatt> repartitioned and lost the file table?
1204 2011-08-22 23:21:53 <fabianhjr> No, more like wrote over the MBR and begining of the disk.
1205 2011-08-22 23:22:06 <cjdelisle> ahh then scalple should get it out
1206 2011-08-22 23:22:18 <BlueMatt> oh, so then your recovery stuff (if it was any good) should have easily gotten out the full uncorrupted wallet.dat
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1208 2011-08-22 23:22:59 <cjdelisle> yea actually IIRC you can spot the edges of an ext* partition and just rebuild it right from there
1209 2011-08-22 23:23:16 <BlueMatt> yes, as with most partition types
1210 2011-08-22 23:23:25 <BlueMatt> most of them have backups
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1212 2011-08-22 23:23:50 <makomk> fabianhjr: you might want to try https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25091.0, though as BlueMatt said standard recovery tools should probably have worked.
1213 2011-08-22 23:23:56 <fabianhjr> BlueMatt: yes, it even got the name of file, though I destroyed the directory structure
1214 2011-08-22 23:24:14 <fabianhjr> The issue is that maybe it got trimmed
1215 2011-08-22 23:24:14 <BlueMatt> ntfs, ext*, what?
1216 2011-08-22 23:24:26 <fabianhjr> NTFS
1217 2011-08-22 23:24:42 <fabianhjr> Let mwe check if there is a second wallet.dat along there. :P
1218 2011-08-22 23:25:47 <BlueMatt> well worst case try makomk's tool
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1221 2011-08-22 23:26:13 <BlueMatt> makomk: your thing just searches for keys and dumps those to a wallet right?
1222 2011-08-22 23:26:36 <BlueMatt> also, makomk is there src available for that thing?
1223 2011-08-22 23:27:07 <BlueMatt> oh your own gitweb, I see it nvm
1224 2011-08-22 23:27:29 <makomk> Yep, it searches for matching pairs of public and private keys and dumps them to a wallet.
1225 2011-08-22 23:27:58 <makomk> (Also, I should probably make the link to the source code more obvious.)
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1227 2011-08-22 23:29:13 <fabianhjr> There are some ___.db.001 with the wallet too, what the hell are those?
1228 2011-08-22 23:29:24 <BlueMatt> bdb logs
1229 2011-08-22 23:29:41 <BlueMatt> try restoring those to database as well maybe?
1230 2011-08-22 23:29:52 <fabianhjr> Can I get data of those or are they just logs?
1231 2011-08-22 23:30:12 <fabianhjr> There is also an addr.dat
1232 2011-08-22 23:30:31 <BlueMatt> addr.dat is a list of ips
1233 2011-08-22 23:30:47 <BlueMatt> have you looked at bitcointools output yet?
1234 2011-08-22 23:31:10 <fabianhjr> It says bitcoin is opened and can't lock file. :/.
1235 2011-08-22 23:31:11 <fabianhjr> http://pastebin.com/qV68vARz
1236 2011-08-22 23:31:20 <fabianhjr> ERROR:root:Couldn't open wallet.dat/main. Try quitting Bitcoin and running this again.
1237 2011-08-22 23:31:23 <BlueMatt> remove the .lock?
1238 2011-08-22 23:32:06 <fabianhjr> Still, it doesn't have it, that was of the recovery when I accidentall the whole thing
1239 2011-08-22 23:32:20 <fabianhjr> Oh wait, there is a walletNEW.dat in there :P
1240 2011-08-22 23:32:37 <BlueMatt> what does dbdump show
1241 2011-08-22 23:32:50 <fabianhjr> Nothing 0_0
1242 2011-08-22 23:33:24 <BlueMatt> no error?
1243 2011-08-22 23:33:31 <fabianhjr> Nothing
1244 2011-08-22 23:33:51 <fabianhjr> Oh, I got it, I think I must pass some args.
1245 2011-08-22 23:33:57 * fabianhjr is still reading the docs
1246 2011-08-22 23:34:17 <fabianhjr> Yes, --wallet dumps me several keys.
1247 2011-08-22 23:34:41 <BlueMatt> what does bitcoin show when you try to open it?
1248 2011-08-22 23:35:47 <fabianhjr> Balance of 0, wait, I will do it again because I first did a fixwallet.py
1249 2011-08-22 23:36:15 <BlueMatt> so...your wallet isnt corrupted, wait for the chain to download then come back and see if your balance is right
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1251 2011-08-22 23:37:30 <fabianhjr> BlueMatt: wait, am I supposed to see all my publick keys in there?
1252 2011-08-22 23:37:46 <fabianhjr> Also, I tried repeating the process and I am back again to the bitcoin is still open error.
1253 2011-08-22 23:37:52 <BlueMatt> oh, ok
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1257 2011-08-22 23:39:23 <fabianhjr> Something weird is going on, I deleted everything on .bitcoin/ except the wallet.dat
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1259 2011-08-22 23:40:01 <fabianhjr> I run dbdump --wallet nothin, fixwallet.dat seems to create some temp files.
1260 2011-08-22 23:41:11 <fabianhjr> BlueMatt: want to try it yourselve? This is getting a bit weird.
1261 2011-08-22 23:41:18 <fabianhjr> yourself*
1262 2011-08-22 23:41:27 <BlueMatt> ok, stop...first recover the wallet.dat file using whatever recovery thing you are using, copy *only* that to a new .bitcoin folder, does bitcoin give you errors?
1263 2011-08-22 23:41:50 <fabianhjr> Yes, AppInit()
1264 2011-08-22 23:42:09 <fabianhjr> EXCEPTION: 11DbException        Db::open: Invalid argument        bitcoin in AppInit()
1265 2011-08-22 23:42:19 <BlueMatt> and the last time the bitcoin was closed was it closed cleanly?
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1267 2011-08-22 23:43:01 <fabianhjr> Not sure about that, I just installed it in a livecd and it created a default wallet.dat then I closed it and overwrote.
1268 2011-08-22 23:43:17 <fabianhjr> I already copied the recovered wallet.dat everywhere.
1269 2011-08-22 23:43:40 <BlueMatt> no, clear the whole .bitcoin folder on the live cd
1270 2011-08-22 23:43:43 <BlueMatt> just delete it
1271 2011-08-22 23:43:55 <BlueMatt> then make a new EMPTY folder and copy ONLY wallet.dat there
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1273 2011-08-22 23:44:55 <BlueMatt> i have to go anyway...
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1275 2011-08-22 23:45:05 <fabianhjr> Ok, and I run it?
1276 2011-08-22 23:45:06 <BlueMatt> try following the guide and then that other tool
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1280 2011-08-22 23:47:59 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> mmm, getting
1281 2011-08-22 23:48:00 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> ui.cpp:1183: error: ‘class wxString’ has no member named ‘ToStdString’
1282 2011-08-22 23:48:10 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> when trying to compile bitcoin, anyone got any ideas?
1283 2011-08-22 23:48:15 <RealSolid> yes
1284 2011-08-22 23:48:21 <RealSolid> you need a newer wxwidgets
1285 2011-08-22 23:48:23 <fabianhjr> makomk: hey, I am looking at the docs, though I already have a recovered wallet.dat, how do I proceed?
1286 2011-08-22 23:48:25 <RealSolid> 2.9. at least
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1288 2011-08-22 23:48:33 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> it is 2.9 grr
1289 2011-08-22 23:48:40 <RealSolid> 2.9.1 is what i used
1290 2011-08-22 23:48:44 <RealSolid> there is a 2.9.2 though
1291 2011-08-22 23:48:49 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> ok thx
1292 2011-08-22 23:49:00 <RealSolid> building your own chain?
1293 2011-08-22 23:49:04 <makomk> fabianhjr: depends if your recovered wallet.dat is any good...
1294 2011-08-22 23:49:28 <fabianhjr> makomk: well, it is a 1MB, though bitcointools or bitcoin won't open it.
1295 2011-08-22 23:49:49 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> nah im compiling bitcoin with patches RealSolid
1296 2011-08-22 23:49:58 <makomk> You're running from a Linux live CD already right?
1297 2011-08-22 23:50:12 <fabianhjr> yes
1298 2011-08-22 23:50:37 <fabianhjr> though, the fisical drive was delivered to a professional data recovery center.
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1300 2011-08-22 23:51:54 <makomk> You can try downloading and making my tool executable using the instructions on that post, but when you come to run it do ./wallet_recover <name of old wallet> recovered-wallet-2.dat
1301 2011-08-22 23:52:27 <makomk> Ah. Not all data recovery centers are competent, especially when it comes to niche things like bitcoin.
1302 2011-08-22 23:52:28 <fabianhjr> Oh, ok and I just drop the recovered wallet in the same dir.
1303 2011-08-22 23:52:48 <fabianhjr> makomk: I asked for a raw recovery in to an external HDD that I just bought for backups. xD
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1305 2011-08-22 23:53:22 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> lol
1306 2011-08-22 23:53:23 <fabianhjr> So basically they do an img of the drive then work on the img they have and leave my hdd and an img in the recovery drive untouched.
1307 2011-08-22 23:53:26 <makomk> Then you copy the  recovered-wallet-2.dat that creates to your .bitcoin and rename it to wallet.dat
1308 2011-08-22 23:54:21 <makomk> Raw recovery? What happened exactly, some kind of hardware failure?
1309 2011-08-22 23:57:08 <fabianhjr> makomk: I shitted all over the MBR
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1311 2011-08-22 23:57:41 <fabianhjr> I was in an attitude of "fucking hdds and formats, how do they work?"
1312 2011-08-22 23:58:37 <cjdelisle> and you found out
1313 2011-08-22 23:58:48 <cjdelisle> they eat your wallet and go nom nom nom
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1315 2011-08-22 23:59:45 <fabianhjr> cjdelisle: :/ yeah, along 150 BTC.
1316 2011-08-22 23:59:48 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> lawl
1317 2011-08-22 23:59:51 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> oh dam :S
1318 2011-08-22 23:59:59 <fabianhjr> Done - 0 keys recovered, 0 failed/bogus!