1 2011-08-23 00:00:14 <fabianhjr> UI think I am passing the arguments wrong
   2 2011-08-23 00:00:21 <makomk> Oh?
   3 2011-08-23 00:00:24 <fabianhjr> No, I am not
   4 2011-08-23 00:00:48 <makomk> OK. That means your wallet.dat probably doesn't actually have any keys in, I think.
   5 2011-08-23 00:00:59 <fabianhjr> makomk: so the other part was just doing /dev/sda and leaving it over night?
   6 2011-08-23 00:01:13 <fabianhjr> (It is a 1TB drive after all)
   7 2011-08-23 00:01:31 <makomk> fabianhjr: or whichever drive your wallet.dat was on, yeah,.
   8 2011-08-23 00:02:23 <fabianhjr> Damn, I also recovered some __db.00x files, are these any good?
   9 2011-08-23 00:02:34 <fabianhjr> addr.dat?
  10 2011-08-23 00:02:39 <makomk> Probably not much use in my opinion.
  11 2011-08-23 00:03:46 <fabianhjr> makomk: if I send you all the files with a possible 150 BTC grab, would you at least send the half back?(75 BTC * 12 USD = some cash)
  12 2011-08-23 00:04:01 <makomk> addr.dat is just IP addresses and I haven't been able to find any recoverable keys in __db.00x files...
  13 2011-08-23 00:04:38 <fabianhjr> i got an hex explorer and could swer I saw a name "key" -> more data in there.
  14 2011-08-23 00:04:55 <makomk> In which one? That sounds promising.
  15 2011-08-23 00:05:01 <fabianhjr> wallet.dat
  16 2011-08-23 00:05:08 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> hex?
  17 2011-08-23 00:05:11 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> meh
  18 2011-08-23 00:05:15 <fabianhjr> Hexzadecimal viewr
  19 2011-08-23 00:05:20 <makomk> OK. That's interesting.
  20 2011-08-23 00:05:20 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> i know what hex is ...
  21 2011-08-23 00:05:40 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> what you using to try and recover?
  22 2011-08-23 00:06:34 <fabianhjr> http://www.cgsecurity.org suit + the recovery center send me the same files, though with a filename.
  23 2011-08-23 00:07:04 <makomk> keyA by any chance?
  24 2011-08-23 00:07:12 <fabianhjr> makomk: also, I see a lot of \00 in there.
  25 2011-08-23 00:07:20 <fabianhjr> makomk: no, no single keyA
  26 2011-08-23 00:07:22 <makomk> Lots of \00 is normal.
  27 2011-08-23 00:07:34 <fabianhjr> Wait, I will do a second search just to be sure
  28 2011-08-23 00:07:34 <makomk> OK. That's very interesting.
  29 2011-08-23 00:08:12 <fabianhjr> makomk: I am using gedit, though I am not sure it is the best for the job.
  30 2011-08-23 00:08:24 <fabianhjr> Also, it takes a shitload to load.
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  36 2011-08-23 00:11:27 <makomk> fabianhjr: try "hexdump -C <filename> | less" at the command line...
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  39 2011-08-23 00:12:36 <fabianhjr> Wow, how does this works?
  40 2011-08-23 00:12:54 <fabianhjr> 00000000  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................| * 000ec000
  41 2011-08-23 00:13:01 <fabianhjr> Tha is the output
  42 2011-08-23 00:13:13 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> thats hex
  43 2011-08-23 00:13:26 <makomk> Yeah, hex and text on the right.
  44 2011-08-23 00:13:45 <makomk> Type "/keyA" followed by enter.
  45 2011-08-23 00:14:09 <fabianhjr> Not found ):
  46 2011-08-23 00:14:23 <makomk> "/key" and enter?
  47 2011-08-23 00:14:29 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> "hexdump -C <file> | grep "/key" | less"
  48 2011-08-23 00:14:56 <makomk> SomeoneWeirdTAFE: "grep key", even.
  49 2011-08-23 00:15:15 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> mhm
  50 2011-08-23 00:16:07 <fabianhjr> Nothing, though gedit can see it. :.
  51 2011-08-23 00:16:18 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> screenie of gedit plz
  52 2011-08-23 00:17:05 <cjdelisle> gedit can only read utf8 which the wallet file is not
  53 2011-08-23 00:17:12 <cjdelisle> so I think you're looking in the wrong place
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  55 2011-08-23 00:17:29 <someone42> SomeoneWeirdTAFE: that may not work if "keyA" occurs across a 16-byte boundary
  56 2011-08-23 00:17:44 <SomeoneWeirdTAFE> i know, was worth a shot though
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  58 2011-08-23 00:18:20 <fabianhjr> Weird, gedit is blank, not the document, gedit.
  59 2011-08-23 00:18:31 <cjdelisle> what are you looking for? the string '/key'?
  60 2011-08-23 00:19:15 <jgarzik> BlueMattBot: ?
  61 2011-08-23 00:19:16 <BlueMattBot> jgarzik did you mean me? Unknown command '?'
  62 2011-08-23 00:19:16 <BlueMattBot> Use 'BlueMattBot: help' to get help!
  63 2011-08-23 00:20:19 <fabianhjr> jgarzik: he is AFK for a while.
  64 2011-08-23 00:21:33 <makomk> fabianhjr: grep -c key <file>?
  65 2011-08-23 00:21:54 <fabianhjr> makomk: 0
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  67 2011-08-23 00:22:10 <makomk> OK, it's definitely not in there then...
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  75 2011-08-23 00:23:27 <makomk> See if running my recovery tool on your hard disk works? I have no other ideas, unless you used wallet encryption or something exotic.
  76 2011-08-23 00:24:10 <log0s> fabianhjr: using python and a bdb module won't open the wallet.dat file? (sorry, i haven't read everything, so i don't know if you tried this or similar yet)
  77 2011-08-23 00:24:17 <fabianhjr> Nothing exotic default config
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  79 2011-08-23 00:25:27 <fabianhjr> I will get the HDD tomorrow and run the tool ver night.
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  86 2011-08-23 00:26:21 <fabianhjr> makomk: should I expect about 100 MB/s reading troughput?
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  90 2011-08-23 00:27:03 <makomk> You should expect it to run at the maximum read speed of your disk, so about that.
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 133 2011-08-23 00:32:08 <makomk> Anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all!
 134 2011-08-23 00:35:32 <fabianhjr> makomk: night, thanks for the aid and the tool contribution
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 138 2011-08-23 00:37:03 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r02e126f42ddf cgminer/findnonce.h: The worksize was unintentionally changed back to 4k by mistake, this caused a slowdown.
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 142 2011-08-23 00:42:36 <m03sizlak> anyone looking for a GREAT investment opportinity:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38740.0
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 181 2011-08-23 02:18:31 <sytse> kolivas!
 182 2011-08-23 02:18:35 <sytse> didn't know he was involved :)
 183 2011-08-23 02:19:09 <Diablo-D3> uh
 184 2011-08-23 02:19:12 <Diablo-D3> are you shitting me/
 185 2011-08-23 02:19:14 <Diablo-D3> he wrote it.
 186 2011-08-23 02:19:45 <sytse> uhhuh
 187 2011-08-23 02:20:58 <sytse> didn't know he was into bitcoins though
 188 2011-08-23 02:21:29 <Diablo-D3> thats probably my fault
 189 2011-08-23 02:21:43 <Diablo-D3> he couldnt stand the fact the most popular miner was written in java
 190 2011-08-23 02:22:57 <JFK911> valid point of consternation :P
 191 2011-08-23 02:23:17 <sytse> must be good, a miner written by an anaesthesist :)
 192 2011-08-23 02:23:31 <sytse> Diablo-D3: I wouldn't be able to stand that either
 193 2011-08-23 02:23:56 <Diablo-D3> well too bad, my miner is superior.
 194 2011-08-23 02:24:15 <sytse> right :P
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 205 2011-08-23 02:38:05 * sytse feels dirty
 206 2011-08-23 02:39:49 <sytse> for watching a post-walt-disney disney film, that is..
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 454 2011-08-23 13:51:21 <upb> luke-jr: time to pray
 455 2011-08-23 13:53:46 <MrSam> :P
 456 2011-08-23 13:53:56 <MrSam> prayday !
 457 2011-08-23 13:54:18 <MrSam> Prey is a first-person shooter in which players take on the role of a character who must fight against multiple alien races.
 458 2011-08-23 13:57:07 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * r18d695adf20c /src/kernel.cpp: Replaced old display_byte_array with hexlify
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 482 2011-08-23 14:37:34 <DukeOfURL> Windows rebooted itself last night after installing updates.  When I attempt to start the bitcoin client, I get "11DbException Dbc::get: DB_PAGE_NOTFOUND"  Is this a known bug?
 483 2011-08-23 14:38:15 <DukeOfURL> 0.3.24
 484 2011-08-23 14:41:36 <imsaguy2> go into your appdata folder and delete the stuff in the bitcoin folder, everything but wallet.dat
 485 2011-08-23 14:42:32 <imsaguy2> it'll redownload the block chain.  Sounds like something got corrupted, probably an unclean shutdown from the update
 486 2011-08-23 14:44:08 <SomeoneWeird> make a copy of your wallet to a dff hdd aswell
 487 2011-08-23 14:44:28 <DukeOfURL> yea, Windows rebooted itself last night
 488 2011-08-23 14:44:42 <DukeOfURL> imsaguy2: thx
 489 2011-08-23 14:45:26 <log0s> doesn't sound too user friendly
 490 2011-08-23 14:46:01 <Diablo-D3> yeah thats windows for you
 491 2011-08-23 14:47:33 <imsaguy2> log0s, has nothing to do with bitcoin.  windows forced closed bitcoin instead of allowing a clean shutdown
 492 2011-08-23 14:47:55 <imsaguy2> DukeOfURL, what version of win?
 493 2011-08-23 14:48:23 <mtrlt> imsaguy2: but bitcoin could be aware that a situation like that could occur
 494 2011-08-23 14:48:32 <imsaguy2> lol
 495 2011-08-23 14:48:55 <imsaguy2> you're right, there should be a db fix tool built right now
 496 2011-08-23 14:49:05 <log0s> imsaguy2: has everything to do with bitcoin...if it can't recover from a forced shutdown (whether due to reboots or even just power outages), it's not very user friendly when some non-technical person tries to run bitcoin and it doesn't work and if they see any error message at all, it's that cryptic message DukeOfURL posted
 497 2011-08-23 14:50:30 <imsaguy2> if it is indeed a corrupted blockchain, it could very well truncate where the error is and redownload the missing blocks instead of everything, I agree.
 498 2011-08-23 14:50:46 <imsaguy2> log0s: submit a patch.
 499 2011-08-23 14:51:09 <log0s> imsaguy2: i don't want anything to do with that shitty codebase...i have my own code
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 501 2011-08-23 14:51:31 <imsaguy2> link?
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 504 2011-08-23 15:00:40 <log0s> sorry, it's not publicly available
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 509 2011-08-23 15:06:19 <b4epoche> that's the spirit!
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 517 2011-08-23 15:09:31 <b4epoche> BlueMatt:  IRC'ing from class?
 518 2011-08-23 15:11:44 <BlueMatt> just got back from the first one
 519 2011-08-23 15:12:16 <BlueMatt> ircing from class on the first day would be a bit...much
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 522 2011-08-23 15:19:28 <kanoi> just wondering if I'm looking for something that isn't there - can bitcoin/d get any transaction/address e.g. is there something like CBlockIndex for 1 or both of them? (or would I have to search the CBlockIndex via the 'outs
 523 2011-08-23 15:20:30 <lfm> you can get any transaction
 524 2011-08-23 15:20:51 <lfm> you just need the txn id
 525 2011-08-23 15:21:20 <kanoi> in code you mean (the json seems to not do that)
 526 2011-08-23 15:21:23 <kanoi> ?
 527 2011-08-23 15:22:19 <lfm> gettransaction <txid>
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 529 2011-08-23 15:22:58 <lfm> thats from the bitcoin(d) command line. I think json is the same
 530 2011-08-23 15:23:35 <kanoi> only seems to get your wallet txns (and the code uses the mapWallet)
 531 2011-08-23 15:23:54 <lfm> oh
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 534 2011-08-23 15:25:31 <kanoi> using the CBlockIndex (slow) via the out's seems to be the only answer but I'm just making sure I'm right and haven't missed something I thought I couldn't find
 535 2011-08-23 15:25:41 <lfm> you might use block explorer then
 536 2011-08-23 15:26:07 <kanoi> lol not quite an option in a program to call curl for that :P
 537 2011-08-23 15:26:25 <lfm> lots of people do
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 542 2011-08-23 15:27:01 <genjix> gavinandresen: hey
 543 2011-08-23 15:27:07 <genjix> could OP_CAT work?
 544 2011-08-23 15:27:14 <gavinandresen> OP_CAT is disabled
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 547 2011-08-23 15:28:28 <genjix> by disabled you mean replaced with a single return false, right?
 548 2011-08-23 15:28:33 <gavinandresen> yes
 549 2011-08-23 15:28:33 <genjix> seems to be intact in script.cpp
 550 2011-08-23 15:29:01 <genjix> oh wait, it doesn't re-insert it back on the stack...
 551 2011-08-23 15:29:05 <gavinandresen> genjix and I are talking about:  https://gist.github.com/39158239e36f6af69d6f
 552 2011-08-23 15:29:46 <genjix> yep sorry all
 553 2011-08-23 15:29:55 <gavinandresen> (multi-signature transactions)
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 555 2011-08-23 15:30:10 <genjix> that's too bad that ADD is limited to 4 byte ints
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 557 2011-08-23 15:30:31 <gavinandresen> yup, didn't even notice it until I took a closer look at groffer's escrow patch
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 562 2011-08-23 15:32:07 <BlueMatt> anything interesting happen at bitconf?
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 564 2011-08-23 15:32:56 <gavinandresen> No earth-shaking announcements...
 565 2011-08-23 15:33:12 <imsaguy2> a couple streakers and one wicked beer pong tournement, but otherwise, pretty tame
 566 2011-08-23 15:33:18 <BlueMatt> hehe
 567 2011-08-23 15:33:28 <kinlo> how many conferences are there? :)
 568 2011-08-23 15:33:42 <kinlo> I'm loosing track of them all :)
 569 2011-08-23 15:33:50 <gavinandresen> Bruce has 2 more conferences and a cruise planned
 570 2011-08-23 15:34:15 <BlueMatt> damn
 571 2011-08-23 15:34:21 <BlueMatt> when?
 572 2011-08-23 15:34:46 <gavinandresen> Thailand in February... I forget when the others are (Amsterdam in the summer maybe?)
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 574 2011-08-23 15:35:02 <BlueMatt> wow, hes getting busy
 575 2011-08-23 15:35:28 <ThomasV> why did you guys opt for thailand ?
 576 2011-08-23 15:36:11 <kinlo> amsterdam in the summer: the summer is almost over :)
 577 2011-08-23 15:36:16 <gavinandresen> "you guys" is Bruce.
 578 2011-08-23 15:36:18 <kinlo> so that would be now? :)
 579 2011-08-23 15:36:31 <ThomasV> oh he was the only one deciding ?
 580 2011-08-23 15:36:34 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: the Bruce Wants Awesome Vacations world tour
 581 2011-08-23 15:36:42 <BlueMatt> hehe
 582 2011-08-23 15:36:58 <gavinandresen> ThomasV: yes, there is no Secret Bitcoin Steering Committee.  Just people doing stuff that they think will be helpful.
 583 2011-08-23 15:37:31 <gavinandresen> (helpful or fun)
 584 2011-08-23 15:37:31 <BlueMatt> ;;seen devrandom
 585 2011-08-23 15:37:32 <gribble> devrandom was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 week, 2 days, 9 hours, 39 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt my latest commit does deterministic mingw executables, but there are still ~10 bytes changing on the nsis exe
 586 2011-08-23 15:37:33 <imsaguy2> I think a Vegas conference is in order
 587 2011-08-23 15:37:41 <BlueMatt> arg
 588 2011-08-23 15:37:43 <ThomasV> I am not sure if he will find a lot of attendees there
 589 2011-08-23 15:37:45 <gavinandresen> imsaguy2: go for it.
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 591 2011-08-23 15:40:14 <Graet> we are arranging an AU conf in #bitcoin-aus and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38867.0
 592 2011-08-23 15:40:41 <Graet> some big name to be attending :D
 593 2011-08-23 15:40:58 <ThomasV> genjix: how long does poller typically take ?
 594 2011-08-23 15:42:46 <b4epoche> a convoy from Perth to Melbourne?
 595 2011-08-23 15:42:55 <b4epoche> better rent the Girls Gone Wild bus
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 597 2011-08-23 15:43:12 <Graet> sounds great!
 598 2011-08-23 15:43:33 <Graet> its ideas atm , but ya gotta start somewhere ;)
 599 2011-08-23 15:43:39 <b4epoche> and if you want attention, do what the one dude did:  walk it wearing a StormTrooper outfit
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 601 2011-08-23 15:48:14 <genjix> ThomasV: run it with the python script and it goes super fast without delay... or download and import my postgres dump then run the poller to bring the db up to ddate with the block chain
 602 2011-08-23 15:48:46 <genjix> gavinandresen: i was thinking before that the scripting system has too many arbitrary limitations. much more elegant would be a scoring system
 603 2011-08-23 15:48:49 <ThomasV> genjix: you men that I should run the python script without poller ?
 604 2011-08-23 15:49:01 <genjix> no together.
 605 2011-08-23 15:49:13 <genjix> while [ 1 ]; do python doc/reorganize.py; done;
 606 2011-08-23 15:49:28 <genjix> it organises orphan blocks
 607 2011-08-23 15:49:29 <ThomasV> together, the python script returns fast, but it does not seem to speed up the poller
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 609 2011-08-23 15:49:43 <ThomasV> oh in a loop
 610 2011-08-23 15:49:44 <genjix> but the poller has an artificial delay of 1 second or so.
 611 2011-08-23 15:49:46 <genjix> yep
 612 2011-08-23 15:50:14 <genjix> gavinandresen: i.e OP_CHECKSIG could have a rank of say 20, while OP_EQUALVERIFY has a rank of 1
 613 2011-08-23 15:50:38 <genjix> scores above X are denied. each individual rank is based on the computation time and resource usgae
 614 2011-08-23 15:50:55 <genjix> chalk it up to another BEP i have.
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 616 2011-08-23 15:52:10 <ThomasV> genjix: I am not sure to understand. I am now running poller and the python in a loop script, but it does not seem to go faster
 617 2011-08-23 15:52:22 <ThomasV> I have about 20k blocks
 618 2011-08-23 15:52:43 <genjix> python script should be displaying output
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 620 2011-08-23 15:52:59 <ThomasV> yes it is
 621 2011-08-23 15:53:02 <genjix> kk
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 623 2011-08-23 15:53:15 <genjix> should be at ~40k blocks now
 624 2011-08-23 15:53:21 <ThomasV> but the speed seems to be the same
 625 2011-08-23 15:53:30 <ThomasV> no, 21k
 626 2011-08-23 15:53:33 <genjix> nope, it's definitely faster
 627 2011-08-23 15:53:37 <genjix> ah ok
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 629 2011-08-23 15:54:06 <ThomasV> there's no evidence that it is going faster for me
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 631 2011-08-23 15:55:28 <ThomasV> 22k
 632 2011-08-23 15:55:28 <genjix> examples/poller.cpp:88  1 second delay until line 101 organize_block_chain()
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 634 2011-08-23 15:55:56 <genjix> organize_block_chain has to be run several times until it reaches full saturation
 635 2011-08-23 15:56:15 <ThomasV> yes ?
 636 2011-08-23 15:56:38 <genjix> well every 1 second, the block locator is sent to getblocks
 637 2011-08-23 15:56:55 <genjix> but the latest block is defined by the organized block chain
 638 2011-08-23 15:57:29 <genjix> so the getblocks might request redundant blocks because it hasn't finished organisation
 639 2011-08-23 15:57:42 <ThomasV> so the python script provides a more accurate index ?
 640 2011-08-23 15:57:51 <genjix> nope
 641 2011-08-23 15:58:06 <genjix> it's the same as storage_->organize_block_chain();
 642 2011-08-23 15:58:30 <genjix> i plan to deprecate that anyway one day. just there's lots of strategies for blockchain organisation with various benefits.
 643 2011-08-23 15:58:52 <ThomasV> yes, but that does not tell me why it is going so slowly
 644 2011-08-23 15:59:05 <ThomasV> 24k now
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 648 2011-08-23 16:00:15 <genjix> because there is an artificial delay between full blockchain reorganisation
 649 2011-08-23 16:01:05 <ThomasV> I guess I'm going to let it run during the night
 650 2011-08-23 16:01:33 <genjix> organize is more a proof of concept for how blockchain trees work in SQL
 651 2011-08-23 16:02:01 <genjix> http://bitcoinconsultancy.com/libbitcoin/sql-storage/
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 654 2011-08-23 16:04:32 <ThomasV> blockchain trees ?
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 656 2011-08-23 16:05:10 <genjix> the blockchain is a tree with tiny stub branches.
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 658 2011-08-23 16:06:33 <Graet> b4epoche one of the ninjacoin guys will come a a ninja apparently, is that close enough?
 659 2011-08-23 16:06:47 <ThomasV> genjix: I thought there was mostly one chain
 660 2011-08-23 16:07:23 <log0s> ThomasV: the blockchain is really a tree, and we just use the most difficult branch of that tree
 661 2011-08-23 16:07:53 <ThomasV> yes, but if a tx is in another branch, is it valid ?
 662 2011-08-23 16:08:16 <genjix> txs can be in multiple branches
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 664 2011-08-23 16:08:34 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: jgarzik what is the schedule/opinions for 0.4?
 665 2011-08-23 16:08:36 <ThomasV> how does that happen ?
 666 2011-08-23 16:08:43 <genjix> select sum(difficulty(bits_head, bits_body)) from blocks where span_left=0 and span_right=0;
 667 2011-08-23 16:08:44 <BlueMatt> (and/or next release)
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 670 2011-08-23 16:10:32 <gavinandresen> Good question Matt; my list would be:   fix CWallet deadlocks (sipa sent me email about that this morning).  New blockchain lockin.  Maybe new bootstrapping IPs (haven't done that in a few releases)
 671 2011-08-23 16:10:45 <gavinandresen> Am I forgetting anything?
 672 2011-08-23 16:11:24 <BlueMatt> sounds fine to me
 673 2011-08-23 16:11:38 <BlueMatt> bootstrap ips: those are severely needed iirc
 674 2011-08-23 16:12:15 <gavinandresen> Who did those last time?  Was it phantomcircuit and nanotube?
 675 2011-08-23 16:12:34 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux iirc
 676 2011-08-23 16:12:42 <BlueMatt> though that might have been time-before-last
 677 2011-08-23 16:12:59 <BlueMatt> (mt has a db like a dnsseed that just scans the network) and he pulled from that
 678 2011-08-23 16:13:18 <makomk> gavinandresen: that proposal at https://gist.github.com/39158239e36f6af69d6f would require knowing all three public keys to redeem the transaction, right?
 679 2011-08-23 16:13:33 <gavinandresen> makomk: yes
 680 2011-08-23 16:14:10 <gavinandresen> (assuming an n-of-3 txn)
 681 2011-08-23 16:14:25 <makomk> Ah. Then unless everyone involved in creating it knows all the public keys at the start, any party can effectively hold the money hostage?
 682 2011-08-23 16:15:21 <gavinandresen> Yes, you'll have to gather all the public keys at the start.
 683 2011-08-23 16:16:05 <log0s> ThomasV: right now there are a bunch of miners working on the next block...the vast majority of them are putting most of the same transactions into those blocks...if two miners happen to create blocks at approximately the same time, you end up with two branches off the previous blockchain head which both contain many of the same transactions
 684 2011-08-23 16:16:22 <makomk> The proposed advantage of this scheme seems to be that you don't have to gather all the public keys at the start, though.
 685 2011-08-23 16:16:30 <gavinandresen> what scheme?
 686 2011-08-23 16:16:50 <gavinandresen> ... you mean the put-hash-of-public-keys-in-the-txout?
 687 2011-08-23 16:16:53 <makomk> The gist.github.com one that uses public kehy hashes.
 688 2011-08-23 16:16:59 <ThomasV> log0s: I know, my question was about the db architecture in libbitcoin
 689 2011-08-23 16:17:04 <gavinandresen> The only reason to do that is to make shorter bitcoin addresses
 690 2011-08-23 16:17:16 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: aside from your list, I want to see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/464 (working on updating a bit now, should be ready later today)
 691 2011-08-23 16:17:23 <BlueMatt> and then Im pretty much happy
 692 2011-08-23 16:17:29 <log0s> ThomasV: ah, sorry
 693 2011-08-23 16:17:35 <BlueMatt> oh, and 463
 694 2011-08-23 16:17:48 <makomk> Perhaps, but do you actually want shorter addresses for this?
 695 2011-08-23 16:18:12 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: that upgrades to db4.8?   Can 4.8 read 4.7 .log files?
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 697 2011-08-23 16:18:30 <makomk> It substantially increases the risk that someone will set up an n-out-of-m transaction that's actually effectively m-out-of-m without realising it.
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 700 2011-08-23 16:19:27 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: no, but the point is that 4.7 is rapidly being phased out in many distros, so distro bitcoins already use 4.8 (osx has been for a long time) and it would be very nice to all be on one db version (sans the guys who are going to db 5.X fast).  As I see it the encrypted wallet stuff means many wallets will be incompatible so now is as good a time as any
 701 2011-08-23 16:20:44 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: ... so what does the upgrade experience look like?  Do we need to tell people to remove *.log from their DATADIRs ?
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 703 2011-08-23 16:21:11 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: if bitcoin closes cleanly, there shouldnt be any logs there
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 705 2011-08-23 16:21:34 <BlueMatt> iirc
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 707 2011-08-23 16:22:26 <gavinandresen> OK.  As long as that's been thoroughly tested...
 708 2011-08-23 16:22:53 <BlueMatt> Im doing some more stuff now, Ill be running more tests before 0.4 rcs
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 713 2011-08-23 16:32:09 <ThomasV> genjix: are you telling me that I should comment out that line 88 in poller.cpp ?
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 715 2011-08-23 16:35:40 <upb>   TxIn: private_key
 716 2011-08-23 16:35:41 <upb>   TxOut: public_key CHECKSIG
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 718 2011-08-23 16:35:59 <upb> i'm pretty sure it isnt the private_key there?
 719 2011-08-23 16:37:00 <phantomcircuit> ThomasV, he's cooking
 720 2011-08-23 16:37:18 <ThomasV> cooking?
 721 2011-08-23 16:37:23 <phantomcircuit> yes
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 723 2011-08-23 16:37:28 <phantomcircuit> we're poor
 724 2011-08-23 16:37:28 <phantomcircuit> lol
 725 2011-08-23 16:37:33 <ThomasV> duh, I'm going now.
 726 2011-08-23 16:37:42 <ThomasV> tty tomorow
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 729 2011-08-23 16:38:16 <fathead> phantomcircuit: hi, is the britcoin API unavailable atm?
 730 2011-08-23 16:38:56 <phantomcircuit> seems fine to me
 731 2011-08-23 16:38:57 <phantomcircuit> why
 732 2011-08-23 16:39:18 <fathead> I'm getting a blank page at https://britcoin.co.uk/api/
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 734 2011-08-23 16:39:33 <phantomcircuit> fathead, ticket.php getTrades.php getDepth.php
 735 2011-08-23 16:39:48 <fathead> great, thanks
 736 2011-08-23 16:39:51 <phantomcircuit> i should probably put some content in that index.html ...
 737 2011-08-23 16:39:59 <phantomcircuit> dont have time for it though
 738 2011-08-23 16:40:00 <gavinandresen> upb: no, it is   TxIn: sig     did I say private key somewhere?
 739 2011-08-23 16:40:10 <upb> yep
 740 2011-08-23 16:40:22 <upb> assuming youre the author of that gist
 741 2011-08-23 16:40:22 <fathead> It is linked from https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Britcoin#API with a comment that it is under development
 742 2011-08-23 16:40:22 <gavinandresen> I'll fix
 743 2011-08-23 16:42:41 <upb> btw that sceme creates a curious problem - the spender needs to know public keys that are not his
 744 2011-08-23 16:43:47 <upb> so if in case of n of m the m-n do not reveal them, they can hold the tx ransom
 745 2011-08-23 16:44:44 <b4epoche> now this is mining with computers:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14621075?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
 746 2011-08-23 16:45:25 <gavinandresen> makomk: I think I lied before
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 749 2011-08-23 16:46:34 <gavinandresen> makomk: wait... never mind, no I didn't.
 750 2011-08-23 16:47:55 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: cooking ftw
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 762 2011-08-23 16:52:04 <genjix> luke-jr: i like cooking :p
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 764 2011-08-23 16:52:35 <luke-jr> genjix: yeah, cooking isn't for poor people, it's for smart people :D
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 770 2011-08-23 16:54:32 <genjix> luke-jr: yep, only way to get good food :]
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 775 2011-08-23 16:57:04 <SomeoneWeird> GRIBBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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 782 2011-08-23 16:58:55 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: yes, db4.8 will read db4.7's logs, just not the other way around (just complains about corrupt db and you have to delete database/*)
 783 2011-08-23 16:59:05 <BlueMatt> so upgrade is clean, downgrade...not so much
 784 2011-08-23 16:59:19 <BlueMatt> but it has to happen sometime so imo its best to do it now
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 787 2011-08-23 17:01:46 <nanotube> gavinandresen: yes, i did put together the commit with the updated seednode list last time, using mtux's node database, and sgornick's nodetest script.
 788 2011-08-23 17:02:08 <BlueMatt> nanotube: care to do it again?
 789 2011-08-23 17:02:43 <BlueMatt> also, why was I not aware sgornick wrote a nodetest script when I did dnsseed stuff?
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 792 2011-08-23 17:11:38 <nanotube> BlueMatt: i'll see if mtux still has the ip database... if so, should be trivial to pick out "the good ones".
 793 2011-08-23 17:11:45 <nanotube> as to why you were not aware.... beats me :D
 794 2011-08-23 17:12:06 <nanotube> BlueMatt: is this the latest multi proposal: https://gist.github.com/39158239e36f6af69d6f ?
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 797 2011-08-23 17:18:32 <BlueMatt> nanotube: I think so, though I havnt really been following multi too closely
 798 2011-08-23 17:18:57 <gavinandresen> (back from lunch)  ... yes, that's the latest.  There's discussion at groffer's pull request, too
 799 2011-08-23 17:19:33 <gavinandresen> nanotube:  one-hash doesn't work, because OP_ADD can't hashes any more.
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 803 2011-08-23 17:23:37 <nanotube> gavinandresen: yea i saw that in the proposal there, that's why i was asking if it is the most recent one :)
 804 2011-08-23 17:23:57 <nanotube> so... i guess we're down to supplying multiple addresses to the sender?
 805 2011-08-23 17:24:12 <nanotube> where's groffer's pull req?
 806 2011-08-23 17:24:29 <gavinandresen> #319
 807 2011-08-23 17:24:37 <gavinandresen> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/319
 808 2011-08-23 17:27:03 <gavinandresen> I'm torn on whether or not it is a good idea to be able to create a multisig address if you only know the bitcoin addresses involved (and not full public keys)
 809 2011-08-23 17:27:20 <nanotube> already found it. firefox awesomebar to the rescue. :) githu bitco pull <backspace>{3}319 :)
 810 2011-08-23 17:28:07 <nanotube> well, it's a lot easier to hand out 3 addresses to the sender, than it is to hand out 3 pubkeys. both due to length, and due to the current client basically only displaying addresses everywhere, rather than pubkeys.
 811 2011-08-23 17:28:30 <nanotube> (the latter can of course be ameliorated down the line)
 812 2011-08-23 17:28:53 <upb> it makes the public keys basically a secret
 813 2011-08-23 17:29:06 <gavinandresen> ... which they really aren't meant to be.
 814 2011-08-23 17:29:13 <nanotube> well... they are effectively "not easy to get to" but they're not secret.
 815 2011-08-23 17:29:13 <upb> if theyre not revealed, the tx cant be spent
 816 2011-08-23 17:29:18 <nanotube> right
 817 2011-08-23 17:29:31 <nanotube> so they have to be revealed either in the txout or in txin
 818 2011-08-23 17:30:27 <gavinandresen> ... but with sipa's suggestion (in the pull request comments), and with groffers implementation, you only need to know 2 full public keys to redeem a 2-of-3
 819 2011-08-23 17:31:58 <gavinandresen> I'm not talking about what the bitcoin address looks like-- I think we all agree it will contain 3 address hashes (60 bytes)
 820 2011-08-23 17:32:23 <upb> yep that would work :)
 821 2011-08-23 17:32:39 <nanotube> only 2 of 3 pubkeys need to be known - that's pretty good. saves some bytes in the tx.
 822 2011-08-23 17:33:24 <nanotube> so basically we're back to what we discussed on monday, before that guy (btw, you know who the guy in the red shirt was?) came up with the clever "one hash" idea?
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 824 2011-08-23 17:33:47 <gavinandresen> I'd started with the one-hash idea...
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 830 2011-08-23 17:34:09 <nanotube> gavinandresen: ah heh ok, there was much talking, so i wasn't really sure who it was :D
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 833 2011-08-23 17:34:56 <nanotube> ah, i think i remember, his idea was to put the m and n inside the hash. which didn't really work without new opcodes.
 834 2011-08-23 17:35:00 <gavinandresen> nanotube:  it is actually more bytes in the TxOut (so the people sending you money pay more in tx fees, potentially).  But fewer in the TxIn (so you pay less when redeeming)
 835 2011-08-23 17:36:08 <nanotube> right, because of all the ophash160s
 836 2011-08-23 17:36:18 <gavinandresen> I see potential usability issues if you can take any three arbitrary bitcoin addresses and turn them into a multisign address
 837 2011-08-23 17:37:05 <gavinandresen> ... so I kind of like the idea that you need the full public keys at the start.
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 839 2011-08-23 17:38:59 <gavinandresen> Then again, it might be way cool to have coin races:  I send coins to a 1-of-3 address, first person to spend wins!
 840 2011-08-23 17:39:43 <imsaguy2> heh
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 844 2011-08-23 17:44:24 <fathead> Britcoin seems to have a miscalculation for bid @ 24 for 4.828 BTC showing as 75 GBP value instead of 115.872 GBP
 845 2011-08-23 17:44:41 <nanotube> gavinandresen: hehe coinraces indeed. :) usability wise, though - that can all be addressed in the UI later on. conceptually, whether you need just three arbitrary addresses, or three arbitrary pubkeys, it is "the same stuff".
 846 2011-08-23 17:45:11 <fathead> this happens to be the first bid returned by getDepth at the moment
 847 2011-08-23 17:45:38 <gavinandresen> nanotube: it affect the implementation, though.  My proposal you MUST have all the full public keys to redeem.
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 850 2011-08-23 17:47:06 <nanotube> well, you need them to redeem no matter what, so that others can check whether the signatures are valid. no? i was talking about what you need for the txout...
 851 2011-08-23 17:47:27 <lookdang_> gavinandresen, lol
 852 2011-08-23 17:47:27 <lookdang_> that is what happens in pgp cash.
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 854 2011-08-23 17:47:27 <lookdang_> whoever first sync's with the server keeps the cash.
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 859 2011-08-23 17:47:31 <fathead> apologies, it's an ask
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 863 2011-08-23 17:48:48 <upb> nanotube: with that comment in the pull you dont need the pubkeys that dont sign
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 865 2011-08-23 17:49:18 <nanotube> upb: aah, i see now what we're talking about :)
 866 2011-08-23 17:49:25 <nanotube> "need all, or just the signing ones"
 867 2011-08-23 17:49:28 <nanotube> ok
 868 2011-08-23 17:49:37 <upb> otherwise it isnt really n of m transactions :)
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 870 2011-08-23 17:50:16 <nanotube> well, you can need n pubkeys, but m<n signatures, or you can need m<n signatures and m<n pubkeys
 871 2011-08-23 17:50:20 * nanotube finds that comment heh.
 872 2011-08-23 17:50:25 <lookdang_> nanotube, having mult-spendable coins is very-usefull... it mean you don't need to transfer private keys between devices/accounts
 873 2011-08-23 17:50:37 <nanotube> lookdang_: yes, that's the whole idea.
 874 2011-08-23 17:50:58 <nanotube> you can have multiple keys on multiple distinct devices, thus giving you 'free' two-factor auth.
 875 2011-08-23 17:51:30 <nanotube> or just have 1 of n, for multi-device spend.
 876 2011-08-23 17:51:54 <nanotube> well, gavin wrote that up in the beginning of the https://gist.github.com/39158239e36f6af69d6f
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 878 2011-08-23 17:52:30 <lookdang_> we should have a condition on the script saying 'x signitures required' so if it is x == total sig's then it works as an escrw
 879 2011-08-23 17:52:48 <lookdang_> when x == 1 then any sig can spend the coins.
 880 2011-08-23 17:52:58 <upb> thats the point
 881 2011-08-23 17:53:03 <lookdang_> :)
 882 2011-08-23 17:53:25 * lookdang_ is happy that common-sence is still going strong at #bitcoin-dev
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 884 2011-08-23 17:54:32 <phantomcircuit> COMMON WAT?
 885 2011-08-23 17:54:43 <upb> SENCE
 886 2011-08-23 17:54:44 <upb> :D
 887 2011-08-23 17:54:47 <lookdang_> we should also have a flag that makes any individual signture compulsory.
 888 2011-08-23 17:54:56 <lookdang_> *sence
 889 2011-08-23 17:55:08 <lookdang_> :P
 890 2011-08-23 17:55:28 <upb> what about arbitary tree of conditions
 891 2011-08-23 17:55:32 <nanotube> lookdang_: dunno if that's possible with checkmultisig out of the box... but i'm sure it may be possible to hack that in by stringing a bunch of opcodes together.
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 893 2011-08-23 17:55:42 <nanotube> (about 'making one compulsory)
 894 2011-08-23 17:55:44 <upb> that kind of stuff doesnt mix with the pattern-matching crap in the client
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 897 2011-08-23 17:56:59 <lookdang_> oh yeah... I'm da2ce7 in the UK.
 898 2011-08-23 17:57:18 <lookdang_> but don't trust me... as I haven't registed this nick.
 899 2011-08-23 17:57:35 <nanotube> hehe heya da2ce7 (if that's who you really are :) )
 900 2011-08-23 18:00:12 <lookdang_> I bet all sorts of ppl are gonna try and be me... :P
 901 2011-08-23 18:00:12 * lookdang_ has a big ego.
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 909 2011-08-23 18:07:17 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt pong
 910 2011-08-23 18:07:17 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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 915 2011-08-23 18:09:27 <Graet> nanotube coming to Bitcoin conf/expo AU?
 916 2011-08-23 18:09:41 <Graet> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38867.0
 917 2011-08-23 18:10:30 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt yes, that is correct.  The only problem would be if some of the files are changing often, then it will be more difficult to match outputs.  I'll change it this evening after testing.
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 920 2011-08-23 18:11:44 <nanotube> Graet: hehe probably not.
 921 2011-08-23 18:12:07 <Graet> aww
 922 2011-08-23 18:12:08 <Graet> ok
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 926 2011-08-23 18:20:27 <gavinandresen> nanotube upb : if you like puzzles, it's kind of fun to try to come up with the smallest (number of bytes) TxOut for 2-of-3 multisig transactions.  Using only enabled opcodes, of course
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 935 2011-08-23 18:31:14 <nanotube> gavinandresen: haha fun fun. that said, imo i don't think it's that important to save a byte or two in the tx. as you may recall, satoshi devoted a lot of attention to making things as small as possible, but was surprised that nobody really cared about that aspect.
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 938 2011-08-23 18:33:55 <gavinandresen> nanotube: well, convincing ourselves it is secure is way more important, but might as well save bytes if we can (means lower tx fees for users eventually)
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 940 2011-08-23 18:35:23 <nanotube> right right, "given it is secure", saving bytes can't hurt. :)
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 966 2011-08-23 19:23:47 <chmod755> hi, I want to create a new block chain....
 967 2011-08-23 19:24:03 <kinlo> why?
 968 2011-08-23 19:24:36 <chmod755> i'll call it stupidcoin...uses md4 instead of sha2
 969 2011-08-23 19:24:52 <Eliel> go ahead, however, unless it's significantly different in some important way ... ok, that qualifies.
 970 2011-08-23 19:25:00 <luke-jr> lol
 971 2011-08-23 19:25:11 <luke-jr> why use a hash?
 972 2011-08-23 19:25:17 <luke-jr> just do a CRC64
 973 2011-08-23 19:25:22 <luke-jr> :D
 974 2011-08-23 19:25:23 <chmod755> lol
 975 2011-08-23 19:25:32 <kinlo> yeah
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 977 2011-08-23 19:25:39 <kinlo> or just XOR all values
 978 2011-08-23 19:25:46 <kinlo> it's much faster
 979 2011-08-23 19:25:59 <chmod755> what about plaintextcoin?
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 983 2011-08-23 19:26:23 <kinlo> just put a text-line below: "this is a valid block" will do?
 984 2011-08-23 19:26:31 <chmod755> kinlo: yup
 985 2011-08-23 19:26:35 <kinlo> I'm pretty sure that that would create very secure blockchains
 986 2011-08-23 19:26:40 <chmod755> lol
 987 2011-08-23 19:26:45 <kinlo> I'm gonna point all my miners to that
 988 2011-08-23 19:26:55 <kinlo> please start developping :)
 989 2011-08-23 19:27:03 <chmod755> kinlo: you don't need a miner
 990 2011-08-23 19:27:06 <kinlo> true
 991 2011-08-23 19:27:07 <chmod755> you need bandwidth
 992 2011-08-23 19:27:10 <chmod755> :D
 993 2011-08-23 19:27:20 <cacheson> chmod755: you should take the bitcoin client and rebrand it, but keep it pointed at the same blockchain
 994 2011-08-23 19:27:22 <kinlo> I've got plenty of bandwith
 995 2011-08-23 19:27:24 <cacheson> then hype it up a lot
 996 2011-08-23 19:27:44 <chmod755> cacheson: I already did this...
 997 2011-08-23 19:27:47 <cacheson> you can advertise it as having parity with BTC already
 998 2011-08-23 19:28:27 <cacheson> fully backwards and forwards compatible
 999 2011-08-23 19:29:05 <luke-jr> who needs a block chain?
1000 2011-08-23 19:29:39 <luke-jr> cacheson: more or less, TBC is like this
1001 2011-08-23 19:29:43 <luke-jr> cacheson: except it isn't parity
1002 2011-08-23 19:29:46 <luke-jr> it's a fixed rate
1003 2011-08-23 19:30:51 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i likw how he hasn't realized that im just trolllolin
1004 2011-08-23 19:31:01 <luke-jr> :p
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1006 2011-08-23 19:31:31 <copumpkin> luke-jr: are you young? what's the -jr?
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1008 2011-08-23 19:31:39 <luke-jr> copumpkin: spin on my surname, Dashjr
1009 2011-08-23 19:31:44 <copumpkin> oh :)
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1011 2011-08-23 19:36:11 <chmod755> cacheson: rebrand a wallet stealer... steal namecoins, solidcoins, ixcoins, iocoins,.... lol
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1023 2011-08-23 20:12:20 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-exit: Stefan Thomas master * ra4d1803 / server.js : Add a GET / handler to provide some basic information. - http://git.io/4YJ0oQ
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1028 2011-08-23 20:30:17 <b4epoche> seems like bitcoin should come into this somehow:  http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/23/how-to-get-12-billion-of-gold-to-venezuela/
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1050 2011-08-23 21:02:29 <upb> no it wouldnt, since they want the gold
1051 2011-08-23 21:02:59 <b4epoche> but as an intermediary currency ;-)
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1054 2011-08-23 21:20:53 <BitManiac> lolol
1055 2011-08-23 21:20:59 <BitManiac> 211 tonnes of gold
1056 2011-08-23 21:21:07 <BitManiac> utterly insane
1057 2011-08-23 21:25:56 <BitManiac> that would be the mother of all pirate heists though
1058 2011-08-23 21:26:00 <BitManiac> intercepting that ship
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1061 2011-08-23 21:30:39 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-exit: Stefan Thomas master * rd4c71c6 / README.md : Updated README. - http://git.io/FVsI3A
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1065 2011-08-23 21:38:28 <Eliel> BitManiac: yep, although, if there's a sizable escort, it could be difficult.
1066 2011-08-23 21:40:23 <AlonzoTG> the plan would seem to be fairly simple.
1067 2011-08-23 21:40:29 <AlonzoTG> You get yourself a submarine,
1068 2011-08-23 21:40:32 <AlonzoTG> sink the boat,
1069 2011-08-23 21:40:45 <AlonzoTG> then mine the wreck before anyone else can get a boat in the water.
1070 2011-08-23 21:40:55 <AlonzoTG> You would need to be able to launch divers from your boat though.
1071 2011-08-23 21:40:57 <AlonzoTG> but yeah,
1072 2011-08-23 21:41:05 <AlonzoTG> that's the only way you could do it and hope to get away with it.
1073 2011-08-23 21:41:10 <imsaguy> because transferring that much goal under miles of ocean only takes 10 minutes...
1074 2011-08-23 21:41:20 <imsaguy> gold*
1075 2011-08-23 21:41:35 <AlonzoTG> Wait until the target is over somebody's continental shelf.
1076 2011-08-23 21:41:39 <AlonzoTG> not too deep there.
1077 2011-08-23 21:41:42 <imsaguy> uh
1078 2011-08-23 21:41:53 <imsaguy> if you're that close to their shelf, their response is that much quicker
1079 2011-08-23 21:42:05 <AlonzoTG> Not really,
1080 2011-08-23 21:42:17 <AlonzoTG> unless they already have a boat in the water ready to be re-tasked.
1081 2011-08-23 21:42:25 <imsaguy> lol
1082 2011-08-23 21:42:34 <imsaguy> you underestimate today's navies
1083 2011-08-23 21:43:11 <AlonzoTG> From the surface, all they have are depth charges and torpedos, but for the torpedos they would need a firing solution.
1084 2011-08-23 21:43:15 <cjdelisle> and they'll see a submarine and be like: oops, was that the torpedo button? damn that was loaded? fuck, it was pointed at that sub too? whats the chance of that?
1085 2011-08-23 21:45:13 <AlonzoTG> they won't see you unless they fire off a sonar ping, which you would hear, and which would be plenty for your computer to compute a firing solution on them.
1086 2011-08-23 21:46:07 <AlonzoTG> There are two types of ships: Submarines and targets. ;)
1087 2011-08-23 21:47:23 <imsaguy> lol
1088 2011-08-23 21:47:34 <imsaguy> because submarines are impossible to sink now a days
1089 2011-08-23 21:47:54 <imsaguy> any submarine large enough to carry that much gold is gonna be detectible
1090 2011-08-23 21:47:55 <cjdelisle> mkay, I'm pretty sure that with 12 billion worth of sunken treasure there are going to be people you never heard of with weapons you couldn't even imagine
1091 2011-08-23 21:48:11 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, venezuela has a moderately competent navy
1092 2011-08-23 21:48:17 <phantomcircuit> im sure they'll be just find
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1097 2011-08-23 22:06:14 <Eliel> AlonzoTG: besides, what's a navy without submarines?
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1104 2011-08-23 22:32:03 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rbca84c3ba0d7 cgminer/main.c: Make restarting of GPUs optional for systems that hang on any attempt to restart them. Fix DEAD status by comparing it to last live time rather than last attempted restart time since that happens every minute.
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1107 2011-08-23 22:40:17 <BitManiac> best way is to attack the escort with ninjas
1108 2011-08-23 22:40:22 <BitManiac> sea ninjas
1109 2011-08-23 22:40:43 <BitManiac> take command of the escort ships and sail the gold back to skull island
1110 2011-08-23 22:45:46 <imsaguy> psh
1111 2011-08-23 22:45:48 <imsaguy> chuck norris
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