1 2011-08-25 00:00:04 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: that is, limit your miner to half or a quarter of the full nonce range, and run it on a specific worker name on Eligius for a few mins
2 2011-08-25 00:00:27 <Diablo-D3> no.
3 2011-08-25 00:01:00 <luke-jr> then I'm just going to think you're talking bs again :D
4 2011-08-25 00:01:16 <mtrlt> you're just talking about different things.
5 2011-08-25 00:01:24 <luke-jr> maybe
6 2011-08-25 00:01:26 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: dude, the world does not fucking rotate around you.
7 2011-08-25 00:01:29 <dikidera> Diablo-D3:reading on "racing", i will be "pausing" the threads so just ONE thread can set the variable and read it and then all the other threads
8 2011-08-25 00:01:40 <Diablo-D3> dikidera: wrong. thats a race condition.
9 2011-08-25 00:01:40 <dikidera> that is, if my theory works
10 2011-08-25 00:01:47 <vsrinivas> dikidera: hrm, what are you trying to do?
11 2011-08-25 00:01:52 <Diablo-D3> you need atomic read/write for any of that to work.
12 2011-08-25 00:02:00 <dikidera> it is similar to luke-jr's proposal
13 2011-08-25 00:02:05 <dikidera> but its for cpu miners
14 2011-08-25 00:02:22 <luke-jr> dikidera: my proposal is for CPU miners too⦠O.o
15 2011-08-25 00:02:26 <vsrinivas> sorry, haven't read luke-jr's proposal;
16 2011-08-25 00:02:46 <dikidera> Usually miners today request one work per thread, i'd like to change that
17 2011-08-25 00:02:51 <dikidera> each thread works on the same work
18 2011-08-25 00:02:56 <dikidera> but with a small noncerange
19 2011-08-25 00:03:07 <dikidera> it is but a small improvement
20 2011-08-25 00:03:22 <dikidera> but it will make > 6 core cpus a bit better hehe
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22 2011-08-25 00:03:45 <dikidera> Again, this is for CPUs
23 2011-08-25 00:03:45 <mtrlt> it'll improve efficiency from 1% to 6% or something like that :P
24 2011-08-25 00:03:48 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: why the fuck dont you test it yourself
25 2011-08-25 00:03:58 <dikidera> mtrlt:depends on how much threads are running
26 2011-08-25 00:04:39 <dikidera> the more threads, the bigger the effectiveness
27 2011-08-25 00:04:39 <mtrlt> well yea but for 6-cores.
28 2011-08-25 00:04:39 <mtrlt> and i do that in my gpu miner :p
29 2011-08-25 00:04:39 <dikidera> what for?
30 2011-08-25 00:04:39 <mtrlt> one thread per GPU
31 2011-08-25 00:04:39 <mtrlt> and 4 GPUs per rig
32 2011-08-25 00:04:46 <mtrlt> so it really does help
33 2011-08-25 00:04:48 <dikidera> right, that has no connection to this
34 2011-08-25 00:04:51 <mtrlt> efficiency is around 1000% :p
35 2011-08-25 00:05:14 <Diablo-D3> luke-jri: its all done in update and recieveWork
36 2011-08-25 00:05:17 <dikidera> 3mh/s per core means around 15 minutes to scan all the nonces
37 2011-08-25 00:05:22 <dikidera> and that is one core
38 2011-08-25 00:05:32 <dikidera> if we split it, then that is ~7.5
39 2011-08-25 00:05:35 <vsrinivas> depends on how you're doing things... generally wll need some interlocking when one thread can update some vars and many can read it.
40 2011-08-25 00:05:35 <dikidera> for 2 threads
41 2011-08-25 00:05:46 <vsrinivas> pthreads has an rwlock you may want to use
42 2011-08-25 00:05:59 <mtrlt> yeah and actually i have 3 threads per GPU. so 12 threads are sharing the same work >_>
43 2011-08-25 00:06:04 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: I did. it failed.
44 2011-08-25 00:06:17 <Diablo-D3> ha ha you fail
45 2011-08-25 00:06:24 <dikidera> mtrlt:that seems kinda...stupid
46 2011-08-25 00:06:36 <dikidera> the CPU has X physical cores
47 2011-08-25 00:06:38 <Diablo-D3> theres a line that says base + delta > TWO32 or something like that
48 2011-08-25 00:06:39 <dikidera> the GPU is one
49 2011-08-25 00:06:48 <dikidera> thus one thread is good
50 2011-08-25 00:06:57 <dikidera> unless the gpu yields more mh/s with more threads
51 2011-08-25 00:06:57 <mtrlt> dikidera: no, it's actually faster that way. when thread 1 is still processing information, thread 2 puts another work on the gpu.
52 2011-08-25 00:07:03 <Diablo-D3> you want to change TWO32 to the variable that has the shit from that header
53 2011-08-25 00:07:05 <mtrlt> at least that's my hypothesis :P
54 2011-08-25 00:07:16 <luke-jr> vsrinivas: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getwork#noncerange
55 2011-08-25 00:07:17 <Diablo-D3> and base = 0 needs to be changed to the lower limit
56 2011-08-25 00:07:37 <luke-jr> I think the examples are probably far better than my failure of an explanation
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58 2011-08-25 00:07:52 <dikidera> small suggestion, i doubt that in the next 2 quindecillion hashes we will find a hash with nonce < 1 mill
59 2011-08-25 00:08:01 <dikidera> so isnt it better to just set the base nonce to a bit higher
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61 2011-08-25 00:08:14 <luke-jr> â¦â¦â¦â¦..
62 2011-08-25 00:08:17 <mtrlt> umh
63 2011-08-25 00:08:21 <mtrlt> every nonce is just as probable
64 2011-08-25 00:08:31 <dikidera> yup, but the faster the better
65 2011-08-25 00:08:40 <mtrlt> you won't hash any faster
66 2011-08-25 00:08:56 <dikidera> i've done some research
67 2011-08-25 00:09:03 <mtrlt> i've actually coded a miner from scratch
68 2011-08-25 00:09:11 <mtrlt> and understand how shit works
69 2011-08-25 00:09:12 <dikidera> and found out that very rarely a hash is found with a nonce near 25 mills
70 2011-08-25 00:09:20 <luke-jr> â¦â¦â¦â¦.
71 2011-08-25 00:09:24 <mtrlt> well duh, of course <25M is less probable than >25M
72 2011-08-25 00:09:25 <copumpkin> ..................
73 2011-08-25 00:09:33 <mtrlt> but individual values are what matter
74 2011-08-25 00:09:36 <dikidera> in fact, i havent seen such a hash
75 2011-08-25 00:09:38 <mtrlt> and every value is equally probable
76 2011-08-25 00:09:40 <Diablo-D3> you know what.
77 2011-08-25 00:09:44 <mtrlt> oh, have you seen 587183671?
78 2011-08-25 00:09:56 <mtrlt> just as probable as 281
79 2011-08-25 00:09:59 * Diablo-D3 just ends bitcoin development forever.
80 2011-08-25 00:10:17 <copumpkin> Diablo-D3: too sad about steve jobs resigning, eh?
81 2011-08-25 00:10:21 <copumpkin> lots of people are
82 2011-08-25 00:10:23 <dikidera> i am just saying
83 2011-08-25 00:10:25 <copumpkin> life just ain't worth living anymore
84 2011-08-25 00:10:33 <Diablo-D3> copumpkin: fuck that dude
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86 2011-08-25 00:10:36 <Diablo-D3> wake me when ellison retires
87 2011-08-25 00:10:40 <dikidera> for solo minting i'd not touch the nonces
88 2011-08-25 00:10:44 <Diablo-D3> or dies
89 2011-08-25 00:10:47 <dikidera> but for pooling, fuck them 25 mills
90 2011-08-25 00:10:48 <Diablo-D3> preferably, dies
91 2011-08-25 00:10:53 <luke-jr> out of 65536 valid shares, the average nonce is 80007aad :P
92 2011-08-25 00:10:56 <phantomcircuit> dikidera, just stop talking please
93 2011-08-25 00:11:06 <mtrlt> dikidera: you just don't understand because you don't read anything. you just imagine something and decide "that's the truth"
94 2011-08-25 00:11:13 <dikidera> imagine?
95 2011-08-25 00:11:17 <imsaguy> haha
96 2011-08-25 00:11:17 <dikidera> its from experimenting
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98 2011-08-25 00:11:24 <dikidera> and i've done that a lot
99 2011-08-25 00:11:25 <mtrlt> understand the theory behind it
100 2011-08-25 00:11:26 <phantomcircuit> facepalm
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102 2011-08-25 00:11:34 <mtrlt> and understand that what you're suggesting does not help in any way
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104 2011-08-25 00:11:55 <dikidera> it will for the cpu by decreasing the nonces scan time by a few percent
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106 2011-08-25 00:12:03 <mtrlt> startled realization: i'm trying to have a sensible conversation with diki
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109 2011-08-25 00:12:28 <phantomcircuit> dikidera, just stop talking please
110 2011-08-25 00:12:35 <mtrlt> dikidera: no it won't
111 2011-08-25 00:12:35 <dikidera> phantomcircuit:same goes to you
112 2011-08-25 00:12:43 <dikidera> mtrlt:really?
113 2011-08-25 00:12:53 <mtrlt> yes.
114 2011-08-25 00:13:05 <phantomcircuit> dikidera, just stop talking please
115 2011-08-25 00:13:06 <mtrlt> because every nonce is equally probable to be a share/block
116 2011-08-25 00:13:10 <mtrlt> phantomcircuit: stfu
117 2011-08-25 00:13:11 <dikidera> so if i set start nonce to 0 and end nonce to 2, the miner wouldnt use them in < 1 second and request the next work?
118 2011-08-25 00:13:16 <phantomcircuit> mtrlt, lol
119 2011-08-25 00:13:23 <mtrlt> dikidera: of course it would
120 2011-08-25 00:13:28 <dikidera> same thing
121 2011-08-25 00:13:30 <mtrlt> dikidera: but it wouldn't exactly be an optimization, now would it
122 2011-08-25 00:13:34 <dikidera> i'd rather lose a few probabilities
123 2011-08-25 00:13:38 <dikidera> and go to the next work
124 2011-08-25 00:13:40 <mtrlt> it would just cause the miner to get work more often
125 2011-08-25 00:13:42 <dikidera> than wait for it to go stale
126 2011-08-25 00:13:43 <mtrlt> which strains the pool
127 2011-08-25 00:13:50 <dikidera> i dont care for the pool
128 2011-08-25 00:13:58 <dikidera> the operator will deal with it
129 2011-08-25 00:14:05 <dikidera> earning money is not easy
130 2011-08-25 00:14:07 <mtrlt> at the same time it would not make the chance of you finding a share any better
131 2011-08-25 00:14:14 <mtrlt> or any worse for that matter
132 2011-08-25 00:14:16 <mtrlt> it would be exactly the same
133 2011-08-25 00:14:23 <luke-jr> dikidera: wtf?
134 2011-08-25 00:14:25 <dikidera> ah well, we wouldnt want it to be worse now
135 2011-08-25 00:14:27 <phantomcircuit> dikidera, what you're suggesting would make the miners *slower* because it would end up spending a higher % of it's time waiting for a new work unit
136 2011-08-25 00:14:29 <mtrlt> (assuming getwork takes 0)
137 2011-08-25 00:14:29 <luke-jr> dikidera: the *miner* earns money, not the pool operator
138 2011-08-25 00:14:30 <b4epoche_> the operator will deal with it? and we're left dealing with you?
139 2011-08-25 00:14:41 <mtrlt> (if getwork takes longer than 0 milliseconds, it's strictly worse)
140 2011-08-25 00:14:42 <dikidera> luke-jr:fees
141 2011-08-25 00:14:46 <luke-jr> dikidera: what fees?
142 2011-08-25 00:14:51 <luke-jr> dikidera: not my fault you use crappy pools :p
143 2011-08-25 00:14:54 <dikidera> erm, donation or whatever
144 2011-08-25 00:15:05 <mtrlt> tx fees :-P
145 2011-08-25 00:15:14 <mtrlt> get a can of coke every two years
146 2011-08-25 00:15:14 <dikidera> crappy pools? what the fuck are u talking about?
147 2011-08-25 00:15:15 <luke-jr> dikidera: donations don't cover much
148 2011-08-25 00:15:24 <luke-jr> dikidera: pools with big fees
149 2011-08-25 00:15:34 <luke-jr> I don't know *any* pool with fees so large they make more money than the miner
150 2011-08-25 00:15:50 <dikidera> deepbit?
151 2011-08-25 00:15:55 <luke-jr> they take at most 10%
152 2011-08-25 00:15:57 <dikidera> they mint blocks faster
153 2011-08-25 00:16:00 <luke-jr> that's 10% of what the miner earns
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155 2011-08-25 00:16:12 <dikidera> so 10k users * 10% = profit???
156 2011-08-25 00:16:20 <luke-jr> not compared to the miners' profit
157 2011-08-25 00:17:20 <fabianhjr__> makomk: you there? I finally used your tool(sudo ./recover-wallet /dev/sdb1 recovered-wallet.dat) and I am amazed that it claims to have gotten 3431 keys and the dat file being only 160 KB :/
158 2011-08-25 00:17:45 <fabianhjr__> I am right now downloading the blockchain so I don't yet know the results.
159 2011-08-25 00:18:00 <dikidera> luke-jr:my profit?
160 2011-08-25 00:18:05 <dikidera> its 0.30 on good days
161 2011-08-25 00:18:09 <fabianhjr__> The recieving address book only has one address.
162 2011-08-25 00:18:10 <imsaguy> fabianhjr__, downloading the blockchain from BlueMatt's site or from the network?
163 2011-08-25 00:18:24 <fabianhjr__> imsaguy: from the network
164 2011-08-25 00:18:26 <dikidera> if that was profit, i'd eat my hat
165 2011-08-25 00:18:29 <dikidera> oh wait, i dont have one
166 2011-08-25 00:18:34 <imsaguy> get it over http, must faster.
167 2011-08-25 00:18:44 <luke-jr> dikidera: and the pool gets 0.03 for that
168 2011-08-25 00:18:54 <luke-jr> dikidera: clearly you are raking in more
169 2011-08-25 00:19:23 <imsaguy> fabianhjr__: http://bitcoin.bluematt.me/bitcoin-nightly/blockchain-nightly/
170 2011-08-25 00:19:26 <luke-jr> dikidera: in any case, if you don't want fees, mine on Eligius :P
171 2011-08-25 00:19:32 <dikidera> you know what i like about pools, that sometimes by a small coincidence
172 2011-08-25 00:19:42 <dikidera> they think you have a higher hashrate
173 2011-08-25 00:19:51 <dikidera> that is because of share submission time
174 2011-08-25 00:19:58 <dikidera> i like them lucky getworks
175 2011-08-25 00:20:37 <mtrlt> you can get lucky mining solo too.
176 2011-08-25 00:20:41 <mtrlt> equally
177 2011-08-25 00:20:44 <dikidera> i did already
178 2011-08-25 00:20:48 <dikidera> was a nice feast
179 2011-08-25 00:20:58 <dikidera> But i need more sadly
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181 2011-08-25 00:21:45 <dikidera> Well mining bitcoins is nice, but when you can earn more by mining on the other chains...
182 2011-08-25 00:21:52 <dikidera> no reason i shouldnt switch
183 2011-08-25 00:22:00 <imsaguy> are you really earning more?
184 2011-08-25 00:22:04 <dikidera> yup
185 2011-08-25 00:22:07 <imsaguy> quantity maybe, but value?
186 2011-08-25 00:22:12 <dikidera> value is nice
187 2011-08-25 00:22:15 <dikidera> for now
188 2011-08-25 00:22:26 <imsaguy> what chains you talking?
189 2011-08-25 00:22:28 <dikidera> but with ixcoins i was able to make 16 bitcoins in just one day
190 2011-08-25 00:22:37 <dikidera> with an avg of 0.30 per day
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192 2011-08-25 00:22:52 <dikidera> i was able to make 5 of i0
193 2011-08-25 00:23:03 <dikidera> and 1 from solidcoins
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196 2011-08-25 00:23:53 <dikidera> i would've made more from solidcoins
197 2011-08-25 00:24:02 <dikidera> but i sold at 0.001 and the price is 0.005 now
198 2011-08-25 00:24:08 <dikidera> so i would've made like three times more
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226 2011-08-25 00:26:28 <fabianhjr> Damn, now I got I/O errors.
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239 2011-08-25 00:27:56 <imsaguy> one more reason we can't have nice things
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243 2011-08-25 00:32:31 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r81aedc972a67 cgminer/main.c: Add message about needing one server.
244 2011-08-25 00:32:31 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * ra4ec961eccf9 cgminer/main.c: We can queue all the necessary work without hitting frequent stales now with the time and string stale protection active all the time. This prevents a pool being falsely labelled as not providing work fast enough.
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268 2011-08-25 00:49:17 <b4epoche_> woohoo⦠I can get $10 for being spammed by classmates.com
269 2011-08-25 00:49:45 <b4epoche_> and the lawyers get $1M
270 2011-08-25 00:50:48 <nanotube> the main point of the class action suit is not for you to make a crapload of money, but for the defendant to lose a crapload of money.
271 2011-08-25 00:51:11 <nanotube> (and the nice lawyer payday is just to compensate them for all their effort)
272 2011-08-25 00:51:12 <Diablo-D3> but neither happened.
273 2011-08-25 00:51:17 <b4epoche_> and the lawyers to make a crapload of money
274 2011-08-25 00:51:24 <b4epoche_> and, yes, I am aware...
275 2011-08-25 00:51:33 <b4epoche_> and won't be filing my claim for $10
276 2011-08-25 00:51:59 * b4epoche_ would like to know the hourly rate the lawyers were charging
277 2011-08-25 00:52:01 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: well, paying 2-3M for spam is quite some discouragement, don't you think?
278 2011-08-25 00:52:28 <Diablo-D3> not when they made several times over that.
279 2011-08-25 00:52:33 <dikidera> nanotube:Anonymous wouldnt like that
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281 2011-08-25 00:52:47 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: well yea... but it's better than nothing.
282 2011-08-25 00:52:51 <nanotube> anyway, bbl food
283 2011-08-25 00:52:56 <nanotube> dikidera: anonymous doesn't spam. :P
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286 2011-08-25 00:53:17 <b4epoche_> but I'm really not sure what classmates spammed me with⦠seems like I should start a lawsuit against LinkedIn
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289 2011-08-25 00:53:55 <b4epoche_> I think I get more crap-mail from them than I ever did from classmates
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291 2011-08-25 00:54:12 <Diablo-D3> I use gmail
292 2011-08-25 00:54:12 <Diablo-D3> so hah
293 2011-08-25 00:54:27 <b4epoche_> and gmail filters linkedin?
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295 2011-08-25 00:54:52 <Diablo-D3> it filters spam.
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299 2011-08-25 00:55:10 <b4epoche_> eh, yea, obviously⦠like everyone else
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301 2011-08-25 00:55:53 <b4epoche_> but LinkedIn and ClassMates spam is not your typical spam
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303 2011-08-25 00:56:04 <jrmithdobbs> new toys are fun
304 2011-08-25 00:56:18 <b4epoche_> HP Tablet?
305 2011-08-25 00:56:28 <jrmithdobbs> 00:0c.0 Co-processor: Hifn Inc. 7955 Security Processor
306 2011-08-25 00:56:31 <jrmithdobbs> better ;p
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308 2011-08-25 00:58:00 <b4epoche_> what the heck is that?
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310 2011-08-25 01:00:35 <jrmithdobbs> hw crypto accel
311 2011-08-25 01:01:09 <jrmithdobbs> can do aes256-cbc at 240Mbit (it's in my router which is a geode 450mhz)
312 2011-08-25 01:01:39 <jrmithdobbs> and bunch of bignum funcs and a hw rng
313 2011-08-25 01:01:46 <jrmithdobbs> and other stuff
314 2011-08-25 01:02:11 <jrmithdobbs> forget what all atm, fully supported by *bsd /dev/crypto for userland openssl accel ;p
315 2011-08-25 01:02:30 <b4epoche_> and you plan to use it for what?
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320 2011-08-25 01:06:08 <b4epoche_> too bad it doesn't do sha2
321 2011-08-25 01:07:23 <jrmithdobbs> for making my p2p openvpn tunnel stop dropping every 1/10-1/20 times on key renewal
322 2011-08-25 01:07:26 <jrmithdobbs> lol
323 2011-08-25 01:07:35 <jrmithdobbs> because: geode450 + 4096bit rsa certs == fail
324 2011-08-25 01:08:02 <jrmithdobbs> and more good entropy is never a bad thing, after all
325 2011-08-25 01:08:56 <jrmithdobbs> b4epoche_: it does do sha2 iirc
326 2011-08-25 01:09:40 <jrmithdobbs> oh, no, just sha1
327 2011-08-25 01:09:45 <b4epoche_> http://www.hifn.com/Common/Content/Document.ashx?id=20768&LanguageId=1033
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329 2011-08-25 01:10:36 <b4epoche_> if it did sha2 could it be used for mining?
330 2011-08-25 01:11:05 <jrmithdobbs> not very efficiently
331 2011-08-25 01:12:39 <jrmithdobbs> pretty sure it's using the same design that artforzz did for the sha2 portion of his asic
332 2011-08-25 01:12:58 <jrmithdobbs> the chips they make that do do sha2, anyways
333 2011-08-25 01:13:02 <b4epoche_> hmm⦠could someone use secure routers for clandestine mining?
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335 2011-08-25 01:13:23 <vsrinivas> too slow.
336 2011-08-25 01:13:39 <jrmithdobbs> b4epoche_: there's not enough of them on the chip
337 2011-08-25 01:13:42 <jrmithdobbs> so not really
338 2011-08-25 01:13:56 <b4epoche_> I guess it would be hard to get a complete header in and out too
339 2011-08-25 01:14:11 <jrmithdobbs> nah they have bignum functions
340 2011-08-25 01:14:16 <jrmithdobbs> that's not the problem ;p
341 2011-08-25 01:14:30 <b4epoche_> no, I mean if you didn't control the router
342 2011-08-25 01:14:41 <vsrinivas> anyone here mining w/ fpgas?
343 2011-08-25 01:14:43 <jrmithdobbs> oh ya definitely
344 2011-08-25 01:14:50 <jrmithdobbs> vsrinivas: #bitcoin-mining
345 2011-08-25 01:15:00 <vsrinivas> jrmithdobbs: thanks;
346 2011-08-25 01:15:48 <jrmithdobbs> wow, that shit is fast. the make test the debian package is doing just blips right past the aes and other acceled stuff
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348 2011-08-25 01:16:17 <vsrinivas> jrmithdobbs: the via chips do that too :)
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350 2011-08-25 01:16:32 <jrmithdobbs> they don't on linux
351 2011-08-25 01:16:38 <vsrinivas> o?
352 2011-08-25 01:16:50 <jrmithdobbs> because linux's hw crypto support is crap
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354 2011-08-25 01:17:52 <vsrinivas> interesting, okay; ... (iiuc opencrypto works pretty well on *bsd; on dfly we even use >1 cpu if there's no h/w support)
355 2011-08-25 01:18:23 <jrmithdobbs> vsrinivas: someone's made a /dev/crypto module that seems to work alright but it's not been merged upstream yet
356 2011-08-25 01:18:36 <jrmithdobbs> and previous attempts at getting full ports of the openbsd hw crypto stuff merged failed repeatedly
357 2011-08-25 01:18:39 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: cpuminer has native support
358 2011-08-25 01:18:54 <vsrinivas> oh :\
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366 2011-08-25 01:35:35 <b4epoche_> damn it, why does mtgox websocket go down whenever I'm trying to test stuff?
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368 2011-08-25 01:36:11 <imsaguy> maybe you're crashing it?
369 2011-08-25 01:36:52 <b4epoche_> I'd like to think I have that kind of power
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371 2011-08-25 01:37:32 <b4epoche_> hmm⦠looks like I took down mtgox.com too
372 2011-08-25 01:38:24 <jrmithdobbs> quality
373 2011-08-25 01:38:54 <imsaguy> someone forgot to pay the light bill
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377 2011-08-25 01:39:21 <jrmithdobbs> spent too much money on his 64core 96G/ram servers to be able to afford it
378 2011-08-25 01:39:22 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
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383 2011-08-25 01:45:34 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, rofl
384 2011-08-25 01:47:03 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: see my fun new toy? https://twitter.com/jrmithdobbs/status/106511583487860736
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404 2011-08-25 02:34:49 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
405 2011-08-25 02:34:51 <gribble> Current Blocks: 142466 | Current Difficulty: 1805700.8361937 | Next Difficulty At Block: 143135 | Next Difficulty In: 669 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 11 hours, 2 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1853813.36093974
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418 2011-08-25 03:22:13 <Blitzboom> justmoon: what was the name of your project with the online wallet?
419 2011-08-25 03:23:52 <Blitzboom> nvm, got it
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440 2011-08-25 04:17:18 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r413d97..ebf799 cgminer/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (5 commits)
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455 2011-08-25 04:49:36 <Wamo> Hey guys. I'm a Comp Sci major working on my own website which will promote Bitcoins by giving them out. I am looking for people to beta test my system. Take a look at www.wesmeredith.com/bitbybit if you have 10 seconds to help me out.
456 2011-08-25 04:50:02 <imsaguy> just did Wamo
457 2011-08-25 04:50:06 <lfm> wamo what school you go to man?
458 2011-08-25 04:50:12 <Wamo> Texas A&M
459 2011-08-25 04:50:50 <lfm> Wamo: cool, where you getting the btc that you are giving out?
460 2011-08-25 04:50:59 shLONG has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
461 2011-08-25 04:51:14 <Wamo> Got a few machines mining
462 2011-08-25 04:52:10 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r3d5f555407cb cgminer/ (configure.ac main.c miner.h ocl.c): Allow a custom kernel path to be entered on the command line.
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464 2011-08-25 04:53:08 <nanotube> Wamo: "Any user may input their Bitcoin wallet on the submission page to receive .001 BTC for free." <- s/wallet/address/
465 2011-08-25 04:53:18 <nanotube> otherwise it sounds like you're trying to get people to upload their wallet :P
466 2011-08-25 04:53:32 <Wamo> lol, your right
467 2011-08-25 04:53:38 <imsaguy> maybe he is! weirder things have been tried ;)
468 2011-08-25 04:54:08 <nanotube> haha yea like that "wallet verification" site
469 2011-08-25 04:54:53 <imsaguy> 'verfied empty'
470 2011-08-25 04:55:01 <imsaguy> verified*
471 2011-08-25 04:56:00 <lfm> well the "submitions page" only demands a btc address
472 2011-08-25 04:56:06 <cjdelisle> https://3woapc2khixooeit.tor2web.org/ <-- that one is a joke/lesson
473 2011-08-25 04:56:22 <Wamo> yeah, its only suppost to ask for the address
474 2011-08-25 04:56:29 <cjdelisle> you can click the verify button with nothing in it to see the "you idiot" page
475 2011-08-25 04:56:48 <imsaguy> cjdelisle, it says 503 now
476 2011-08-25 04:57:00 <imsaguy> just for me?
477 2011-08-25 04:57:41 <cjdelisle> nop, I spoke too soon, I guess the guy who ran it got bored and killed his tor daemon
478 2011-08-25 04:57:50 <imsaguy> lol
479 2011-08-25 04:57:57 <imsaguy> too many idiots
480 2011-08-25 04:58:00 <lfm> wamo you're taking paypal donations? you know about the paypal clawbacks eh?
481 2011-08-25 04:58:27 <Wamo> yeah, working on a way to handle that
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484 2011-08-25 04:58:54 <imsaguy> especially donations for bitcoin
485 2011-08-25 04:59:22 <cjdelisle> well if someone reverses a donation you have not lost much
486 2011-08-25 04:59:36 <imsaguy> paypal will suspend you if you're using it for bitcoin though
487 2011-08-25 04:59:46 <imsaguy> so a single reverse will be the least of your issues
488 2011-08-25 05:00:14 <lfm> I think they consider bitcoin competition and they hate competition
489 2011-08-25 05:00:21 <phantomcircuit> Wamo, captcha looks weak
490 2011-08-25 05:00:33 <cjdelisle> paypal will suspend you if rand() & 0xFF
491 2011-08-25 05:01:03 <imsaguy> paypal will suspend you if 1
492 2011-08-25 05:01:05 <Wamo> Yeah, the captcha is weak, but with the ip checking and other behind the scenes scripts running wasn't focusing on it
493 2011-08-25 05:01:06 <Wamo> for now
494 2011-08-25 05:01:41 <cjdelisle> He has it working again...
495 2011-08-25 05:01:42 <cjdelisle> https://3woapc2khixooeit.tor2web.org/dumbass.html
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498 2011-08-25 05:02:36 <imsaguy> cjdelisle, 503 still
499 2011-08-25 05:02:51 <lfm> imsguy worked for me
500 2011-08-25 05:03:02 <imsaguy> werid
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502 2011-08-25 05:03:09 <lfm> imsguy clear your browser cache maybe
503 2011-08-25 05:03:29 <imsaguy> I dont wanna close my browser, I got other things going on
504 2011-08-25 05:03:31 <imsaguy> :p
505 2011-08-25 05:03:48 <lfm> you can clear your cache without exiting
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507 2011-08-25 05:04:04 <imsaguy> yes, but I'll lose my session states
508 2011-08-25 05:04:05 <lfm> on firefox at least
509 2011-08-25 05:04:20 <lfm> imsguy ya ok, I spoze your right
510 2011-08-25 05:04:23 <cjdelisle> ctrl+f5?
511 2011-08-25 05:04:23 <imsaguy> and a different browser completely gives a 503
512 2011-08-25 05:04:35 <imsaguy> totally different browser gave 503
513 2011-08-25 05:04:40 <imsaguy> so its not the cache
514 2011-08-25 05:04:41 <cjdelisle> are you using your own tor node?
515 2011-08-25 05:04:41 <imsaguy> nbd
516 2011-08-25 05:04:45 <imsaguy> nope
517 2011-08-25 05:04:54 <lfm> imsguy you're isp is blocking them?
518 2011-08-25 05:04:54 <cjdelisle> tor2web? o_O
519 2011-08-25 05:05:04 <imsaguy> comcast, I get to tor2web
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521 2011-08-25 05:05:14 <imsaguy> tor2web is showing the 503
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523 2011-08-25 05:05:50 <imsaguy> I'm not worried abou tit
524 2011-08-25 05:05:53 <imsaguy> I'll take your word for it
525 2011-08-25 05:05:59 <cjdelisle> hmm sounds like a tor2web problem which only affects you
526 2011-08-25 05:06:12 <cjdelisle> like asif they use prolexic or something :P
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529 2011-08-25 05:08:59 <lfm> yay! I got the btc bit from Wamo, thank you!
530 2011-08-25 05:09:21 <Wamo> NP, thanks for your input on the site
531 2011-08-25 05:09:44 <Wamo> For anyone that missed it, I am trying to beta test my new BTC giveaway site. If you have a min please check out www.wesmeredith.com/bitbybit
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534 2011-08-25 05:11:13 <imsaguy> I didn't lfm :(
535 2011-08-25 05:11:43 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,avgprice]*0.001
536 2011-08-25 05:11:43 <imsaguy> and I just filled the form out 3 times in a row without an error
537 2011-08-25 05:11:43 <gribble> Error: "bc,avgprice" is not a valid command.
538 2011-08-25 05:11:56 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,avgprc]*0.001
539 2011-08-25 05:11:57 <gribble> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
540 2011-08-25 05:12:04 <nanotube> ;;bc,avgprc
541 2011-08-25 05:12:05 <gribble> {"USD": {"7d": "11.1592", "30d": "10.3511", "24h": "10.8609"}, "AUD": {"7d": "10.1758", "30d": "10.8153", "24h": "10.2735"}, "BGN": {"7d": "11.2306", "30d": "12.3322", "24h": "11.0000"}, "CNY": {"7d": "70.4771", "30d": "71.6077", "24h": "68.2104"}, "SLL": {"7d": "3021.8059", "30d": "2996.7655", "24h": "2927.1032"}, "BRL": {"7d": "19.3803", "30d": "20.4855"}, "INR": {"7d": "503.8088", (1 more message)
542 2011-08-25 05:12:10 <nanotube> that's why :)
543 2011-08-25 05:12:23 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * r8f4c8d38cfcd / (23 files in 8 dirs): Use const ref everywhere
544 2011-08-25 05:12:30 <lfm> oh! I thot it was like a single average of them all
545 2011-08-25 05:13:14 <nanotube> average of 500 rupees and 10 usd is not a very sensible number :)
546 2011-08-25 05:13:33 <lfm> ;; calc 10.8609 * 0.001
547 2011-08-25 05:13:33 <gribble> 10.8609 * 0.001 = 0.0108609
548 2011-08-25 05:13:52 <lfm> so about a penny anyway
549 2011-08-25 05:14:06 <nanotube> there's ,,bc,24hprc for the 24hour avg in usd. :)
550 2011-08-25 05:14:07 <gribble> 10.8604
551 2011-08-25 05:14:55 <lfm> ok so its worth ,,calc [bc,24hprc]*0.001 USD
552 2011-08-25 05:14:56 <gribble> (calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
553 2011-08-25 05:15:27 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,24hprc]*0.001
554 2011-08-25 05:15:29 <gribble> 10.8603 * 0.001 = 0.0108603
555 2011-08-25 05:16:04 <nanotube> for multiargument stuff, try delimiting with parens, like ,,(calc [bc,24hprc]*.001)
556 2011-08-25 05:16:05 <gribble> 10.8603 * .001 = 0.0108603
557 2011-08-25 05:16:50 <lfm> nanotube: do you offer a full course? Can I get university credit for it?
558 2011-08-25 05:17:03 <imsaguy> hehe
559 2011-08-25 05:17:05 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki gribble
560 2011-08-25 05:17:06 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble | Jun 12, 2011 ... gribble is a modified Supybot IRC bot, carrying some useful bitcoin-related ... You can also PM commands to gribble and it will PM back. ...
561 2011-08-25 05:17:09 <nanotube> ^ full course
562 2011-08-25 05:17:16 <nanotube> non-credit :)
563 2011-08-25 05:18:48 <nanotube> (that'll be 1 btc plz :) )
564 2011-08-25 05:19:56 <lfm> nanotube: do you have the CDN $ exchange rates yet from https://www.cavirtex.com
565 2011-08-25 05:20:45 <nanotube> well, #bitcoin-market reports them... but i don't have the virtex ticker command (yet).
566 2011-08-25 05:21:39 <lfm> nanotube: should I bug them to talk to you?
567 2011-08-25 05:21:40 <nanotube> if they had a nice ticker api like mtgox and tradehill, would be trivial to add
568 2011-08-25 05:22:14 <nanotube> well, if they have api, no need to talk to me, i can shove up a ,,bc,mtgox equivalent in a jiffy.
569 2011-08-25 05:22:15 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":11.03545,"low":10.71,"avg":10.919099222,"vwap":10.896915379,"vol":7876,"last":10.71,"buy":10.71,"sell":10.75}}
570 2011-08-25 05:22:24 <nanotube> if they don't.... then maybe :)
571 2011-08-25 05:24:28 <nanotube> a quick look at the site doesn't reveal any api...
572 2011-08-25 05:24:38 <nanotube> and yet, bcharts does get the trade data from them somehow....
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582 2011-08-25 06:04:49 <Wamo> Hey guys. I'm a Comp Sci major working on my own website which will promote Bitcoins by giving them out. I am looking for people to beta test my system. Take a look at www.wesmeredith.com/bitbybit if you have 10 seconds to help me out.
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586 2011-08-25 06:05:55 <lfm> Wamo: so how does this tie into your stdudies of it does?
587 2011-08-25 06:07:28 <Wamo> Several ways. The php & HTML coding needed for the site are a huge advantage. I am also taking a cryptology class in which we have to come up with a real world applications of crypt. practises
588 2011-08-25 06:08:13 <Wamo> The Mysql and unix the web server are running on are also proving me a great place to practise those skills aswell
589 2011-08-25 06:09:17 <lfm> cool, good luck and have fun with it all.
590 2011-08-25 06:09:48 <Wamo> Thanks
591 2011-08-25 06:10:04 <upb> why th e obsession with crap rdbms's
592 2011-08-25 06:11:16 <lfm> upb you dont like mysql? what would you recomend?
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594 2011-08-25 06:18:44 <upb> pg:)
595 2011-08-25 06:21:05 <upb> why choose mysql over pg, there is no reason
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600 2011-08-25 06:32:00 <midnightmagic> i am sad to see html r
601 2011-08-25 06:32:12 <midnightmagic> eferred to as "coding" :-(
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621 2011-08-25 07:35:34 <jostmey> Hello, I need help checking that my DNS is setup correctly. Can someone check www.searchbitcoin.com to see if the homepage is up instead of an error message? Thanks.
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624 2011-08-25 07:38:51 <arcatan> jostmey: works
625 2011-08-25 07:43:48 <lfm> Site Temporarily Unavailable
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655 2011-08-25 08:43:46 <piuk> is a scriptPubKey like this "4c554b452d4a522049532041205045444f5048494c4521204f682c20616e6420676f642069736e2774207265616c2c207375636b612e2053746f7020706f6c6c7574696e672074686520626c6f636b636861696e207769746820796f7572206e6f6e73656e73652e OP_CHECKSIG" valid?
656 2011-08-25 08:44:50 <Elvis-> hi guys
657 2011-08-25 08:45:13 <Elvis-> I just installed bitcoin for the first time, version 0.3.24-beta
658 2011-08-25 08:45:38 <Elvis-> however, I can not run it, I see two errors and then it crashes
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661 2011-08-25 08:46:34 <Elvis-> can someone help?
662 2011-08-25 08:46:50 <Elvis-> (trying to run it both on a unix and mac environment)
663 2011-08-25 08:47:28 <gjs278> what are the errors
664 2011-08-25 08:47:33 <piuk> what are the errors?
665 2011-08-25 08:47:41 <Elvis-> incoming copy/paste:
666 2011-08-25 08:47:43 <Elvis-> ************************
667 2011-08-25 08:47:43 <Elvis-> EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException
668 2011-08-25 08:47:43 <Elvis-> Db::open: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery
669 2011-08-25 08:47:43 <Elvis-> bitcoin in AppInit()
670 2011-08-25 08:47:43 <Elvis-> ************************
671 2011-08-25 08:47:44 <Elvis-> EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException
672 2011-08-25 08:47:46 <Elvis-> Db::open: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery
673 2011-08-25 08:47:48 <Elvis-> bitcoin in CMyApp::OnUnhandledException()
674 2011-08-25 08:47:50 <Elvis-> this is for the mac version
675 2011-08-25 08:48:01 <Elvis-> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed!
676 2011-08-25 08:48:14 <Elvis-> this is what I get when running it on a unix environment
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678 2011-08-25 08:49:28 <piuk> DB might be currport, try renaming ~/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin to Bitcoin2
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680 2011-08-25 08:50:45 <Elvis-> did, same issue
681 2011-08-25 08:51:33 <Elvis-> I got a report 'bitcoin quit unexpectedly'
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684 2011-08-25 08:53:47 <Elvis-> any other ideas?
685 2011-08-25 08:53:55 <piuk> Are you building from source?
686 2011-08-25 08:54:19 <Elvis-> I downloaded it from http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.24/bitcoin-0.3.24-macosx.zip/download
687 2011-08-25 08:54:23 <Elvis-> unzipped, and ran the app
688 2011-08-25 08:56:29 <cjdelisle> is it a powerpc mac?
689 2011-08-25 08:56:35 <Elvis-> nop, it's a mac mini
690 2011-08-25 08:57:00 <Elvis-> ~/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin $ cat db.log
691 2011-08-25 08:57:00 <Elvis-> fsync: Inappropriate ioctl for device
692 2011-08-25 08:57:00 <Elvis-> PANIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device
693 2011-08-25 08:57:06 <piuk> That binary runs fine for me on a Snow leopard mac mini
694 2011-08-25 08:57:15 <Elvis-> Bitcoin version 0.3.24-beta
695 2011-08-25 08:57:15 <Elvis-> OS version Mac OS X (Darwin 10.8.0 i386)
696 2011-08-25 08:58:29 <piuk> 10.8?
697 2011-08-25 08:59:37 <Elvis-> that's what it sais
698 2011-08-25 09:01:13 <Elvis-> hum, weird
699 2011-08-25 09:01:24 <Elvis-> if I check at 'about this mac' it's actually 10.6.8
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701 2011-08-25 09:02:55 <piuk> Sorry not sure then, I did get the error "EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException" once when I built a binary on 10.7 and ran it on 10.6 but that doesn't appear to be the same issue
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705 2011-08-25 09:04:12 <cjdelisle> ls -la db.log
706 2011-08-25 09:04:34 <cjdelisle> looks like deeper problems than a bad bitcoin binary
707 2011-08-25 09:04:54 <Elvis-> -rw------- 1 evelea SINGEL\rsstaff 241 25 Aug 10:57 db.log
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712 2011-08-25 09:05:56 <cjdelisle> I've never heard of it not being able to cat a file, best of luck :S
713 2011-08-25 09:07:55 <Elvis-> heh :)
714 2011-08-25 09:08:00 <Elvis-> so, any other ideas? :D
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716 2011-08-25 09:10:53 <piuk> Can you run the non beta version?
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718 2011-08-25 09:13:36 <piuk> Does anyone know for this transaction http://blockexplorer.com/tx/9740e7d646f5278603c04706a366716e5e87212c57395e0d24761c0ae784b2c6 how would I decode the output address? Or is it corrupted?
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722 2011-08-25 09:15:26 <cjdelisle> piuk: hex decode it, it's a message making fun of luke-jr
723 2011-08-25 09:15:40 <cjdelisle> (spam transaction)
724 2011-08-25 09:17:09 <piuk> Ah i see, lol
725 2011-08-25 09:17:47 <ThomasV> cjdelisle: how does it work ?
726 2011-08-25 09:18:04 <cjdelisle> how does what work?
727 2011-08-25 09:18:13 <ThomasV> what do I need to decode?
728 2011-08-25 09:18:20 <piuk> http://www.string-functions.com/hex-string.aspx
729 2011-08-25 09:18:24 <piuk> 4c554b452d4a522049532041205045444f5048494c4521204f682c20616e6420676f642069736e2774207265616c2c207375636b612e2053746f7020706f6c6c7574696e672074686520626c6f636b636861696e207769746820796f7572206e6f6e73656e73652e
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731 2011-08-25 09:18:49 <ThomasV> oh the pubkey ?
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733 2011-08-25 09:19:14 <Elvis-> can someone point me to the non-beta version of bitcoin 0.3.24?
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737 2011-08-25 09:22:57 <asher^> Elvis- if you click on the download link on github, theres a link that shows all the download versions
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741 2011-08-25 09:25:34 <Elvis-> I may be dumb, but can't find it :)
742 2011-08-25 09:25:41 <Elvis-> here, right? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
743 2011-08-25 09:26:21 <asher^> on the right near the top
744 2011-08-25 09:27:21 <Elvis-> and which one should I go for? v0.3.24rc3.zip ?
745 2011-08-25 09:28:04 <asher^> up to you. i use the regular .24 one
746 2011-08-25 09:28:09 <Elvis-> ok
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748 2011-08-25 09:32:04 <Elvis-> uhm, do I need to build it?
749 2011-08-25 09:32:29 <asher^> do you just want a version to download and run on windows?
750 2011-08-25 09:32:36 <asher^> you can get it right from bitcoin.org
751 2011-08-25 09:33:58 <Elvis-> on mac :)
752 2011-08-25 09:34:39 <Elvis-> I got the one from bitcoin.org but I can't run it
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754 2011-08-25 09:34:51 <Elvis-> doesn't start, keep getting the same errors
755 2011-08-25 09:35:09 <Elvis-> someone recommended not to use the beta version (which is the one on the website right now)
756 2011-08-25 09:37:35 <piuk_> try http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.23/bitcoin-0.3.23-macosx.zip/download
757 2011-08-25 09:40:19 <Elvis-> same problem :(
758 2011-08-25 09:41:07 <lfm> they're ALL beta versions
759 2011-08-25 09:42:32 <RealSolid> whats wrong with the latest on mac?
760 2011-08-25 09:42:44 <RealSolid> solidcoin mac works ok, except a crash on exit
761 2011-08-25 09:42:49 <RealSolid> im going to fix it soon
762 2011-08-25 09:43:04 <piuk_> doesn't run for Elvis
763 2011-08-25 09:43:08 <RealSolid> hmm
764 2011-08-25 09:43:25 <RealSolid> is he compiling from source or just running binaries
765 2011-08-25 09:43:33 <piuk_> binary
766 2011-08-25 09:44:02 <RealSolid> elvis, doesnt help you much with bitcoin, but try the mac download here, http://solidcoin.info/index.php , its forked from the latest beta of bitcoin
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768 2011-08-25 09:44:11 <RealSolid> if that works it could just be the way those are compiled
769 2011-08-25 09:44:23 <RealSolid> or maybe .25 will work
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771 2011-08-25 09:46:25 <RealSolid> the mac bitcoin client has some issues it seems regardless
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777 2011-08-25 09:50:09 <lfm> piuk_: simpler to just do "strings -n 20 ~/.bitcoin/blk0001.dat"
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781 2011-08-25 09:57:10 <piuk_> When a client does the initial blockchain download does it only down blocks from the best chain i.e. never orphaned blocks?
782 2011-08-25 09:57:36 <lfm> piuk_: generally yes
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786 2011-08-25 10:01:16 <ThomasV> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39153.msg479396#msg479396 <--- I predict wallet theft from trojan will happen at some point
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790 2011-08-25 10:02:02 <lfm> ThomasV: hasn't it already?
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792 2011-08-25 10:04:01 <doublec> ThomasV: would you be willing to wager on it?
793 2011-08-25 10:04:08 <ThomasV> doublec: no
794 2011-08-25 10:04:23 <ThomasV> not necessarily on solidcoin
795 2011-08-25 10:04:25 <doublec> not much of a prediction then
796 2011-08-25 10:04:37 <doublec> "sometime, somewhere, there will be wallet theft from a trojan"
797 2011-08-25 10:04:51 <doublec> I predict there will be an earthquake at some point
798 2011-08-25 10:04:57 <doublec> and maybe a wat
799 2011-08-25 10:05:01 <doublec> s/wat/war
800 2011-08-25 10:05:12 <ThomasV> all I'm saying is that people downloadin this binary are exposing themselves
801 2011-08-25 10:05:32 <ThomasV> they are easy targets
802 2011-08-25 10:06:19 <Elvis-> RealSolid, I get the same errors with solidcoin
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805 2011-08-25 10:13:18 <RealSolid> Elvis-: ok good to know
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807 2011-08-25 10:24:05 <RealSolid> ThomasV: people running the bitcoin client are exposing themselves
808 2011-08-25 10:24:22 <ThomasV> RealSolid: are you coinhunter ?
809 2011-08-25 10:24:32 <RealSolid> what better place for a wallet trojan to hide than bitcoin itself? :)
810 2011-08-25 10:24:36 <lfm> people running computers are exposing themselves
811 2011-08-25 10:24:45 <RealSolid> ThomasV: yeah, i also replied to your post
812 2011-08-25 10:25:11 <ThomasV> RealSolid: the bitcoin client is scrutinized by a large community
813 2011-08-25 10:25:36 <RealSolid> is it
814 2011-08-25 10:25:44 <cjdelisle> heh it't true... I can't figure out what that plate of spaghetti is doing
815 2011-08-25 10:25:46 <RealSolid> a large community releases regular updates, where are they
816 2011-08-25 10:26:39 <lfm> RealSolid: nonsense
817 2011-08-25 10:28:56 <RealSolid> ThomasV: just because "a large community" checks the source doesnt mean one guy doesnt compile it
818 2011-08-25 10:29:04 <RealSolid> that one guy can easily insert a trojan, going by your own Post
819 2011-08-25 10:29:22 <ThomasV> RealSolid: that's correct
820 2011-08-25 10:29:24 <RealSolid> i expect you to say the same thing on the bitcoin thread
821 2011-08-25 10:29:29 <RealSolid> link to your post
822 2011-08-25 10:29:32 <lfm> Just because some guy issues regular updates, doent mean it has not torjans
823 2011-08-25 10:29:52 <RealSolid> lfm: where did i say that?
824 2011-08-25 10:29:58 <ThomasV> RealSolid: I tend to trust the guy who releases the bitcoin binaries. but if you don't, feel free to issue a warning
825 2011-08-25 10:29:58 <RealSolid> i was just saying, i doubt a large community checks bitcoins source code
826 2011-08-25 10:30:18 <RealSolid> if people are going over the source code with a fine tooth comb? why am i fixing bugs
827 2011-08-25 10:30:28 <RealSolid> why am i seeing junk code everywhere?
828 2011-08-25 10:30:44 <lfm> RealSolid: and release rate need not have any corelation with the number of people working on it
829 2011-08-25 10:30:58 <RealSolid> lfm: features, improvements and bug fixes do though
830 2011-08-25 10:31:22 <lfm> solidcoin is junk code
831 2011-08-25 10:31:42 <RealSolid> agreed, considering 98% i didnt write
832 2011-08-25 10:31:50 <RealSolid> its based off bitcoin
833 2011-08-25 10:32:08 <RealSolid> im plugging the holes though
834 2011-08-25 10:32:12 <lfm> and what changes you made are steps backwards imho
835 2011-08-25 10:32:32 <RealSolid> ok, we'll see i guess
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837 2011-08-25 10:33:35 <ThomasV> RealSolid: even if you are not trying to scam people, I believe solidcoin is deemed to fail
838 2011-08-25 10:33:38 <RealSolid> i have little invested in solidcoin, i just want a better network
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840 2011-08-25 10:33:56 <RealSolid> ThomasV: ok, but i dont know whether i should value your opinion or not
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842 2011-08-25 10:34:54 <ThomasV> RealSolid: my opinion on ixcoin is here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37592.msg463263#msg463263
843 2011-08-25 10:35:03 <ThomasV> it also holds for solidcoin
844 2011-08-25 10:35:36 <RealSolid> you sound like all the miners who thought that and are now bitter
845 2011-08-25 10:35:48 <ThomasV> I am not a miner
846 2011-08-25 10:36:12 <RealSolid> yes but you sound like them "i though it was a scam, now its gaining popularity and price, boohoohoo"
847 2011-08-25 10:36:32 <ThomasV> all I am saying is that solidcoin is not "different enough" to gain thrust
848 2011-08-25 10:37:00 <RealSolid> why is it gaining then
849 2011-08-25 10:37:04 <RealSolid> why not die like ix/i0
850 2011-08-25 10:37:13 <ThomasV> because it is more recent
851 2011-08-25 10:37:20 <RealSolid> ix/i0 died within 2 days
852 2011-08-25 10:37:29 <RealSolid> http://solidcoin.kicks-ass.org/graphs/graphs.html
853 2011-08-25 10:37:32 <RealSolid> see the linear growth?
854 2011-08-25 10:37:37 <ThomasV> well, perhaps it will never die
855 2011-08-25 10:37:46 <ThomasV> but I do not see it compete with bitcoin
856 2011-08-25 10:38:03 <RealSolid> thats ok, perphaps youve invested yourself too much into bitcoin and dont want it to fail, i understand
857 2011-08-25 10:38:05 <ThomasV> network effects are too strong
858 2011-08-25 10:38:16 <RealSolid> myself ihave a fair amount of btc, but i dont like how bad bitcoin is
859 2011-08-25 10:38:26 <RealSolid> so i fixed the areas i thought needed improving
860 2011-08-25 10:38:44 <RealSolid> i wrote some commerical sites using bitcoin, because i like the idea of it
861 2011-08-25 10:38:53 <ThomasV> what I have invested is not relevant; if I thought solidcoin had a future, I would invest in it
862 2011-08-25 10:38:57 <RealSolid> but the api is junk, the client is junk, and the future as the developers see it, is junk, in my mind
863 2011-08-25 10:39:12 <RealSolid> Bank of America? Running bitcoin
864 2011-08-25 10:39:18 <RealSolid> its hilarity
865 2011-08-25 10:40:07 <RealSolid> on top of all that . the guys with the most btc refuse to invest back into it
866 2011-08-25 10:40:25 <RealSolid> so perhaps a fresh start is exactly whats needed
867 2011-08-25 10:41:28 <lfm> and perhpas bitcoin is good enuf that with its head start none of the competitors will ever get a significant foothold
868 2011-08-25 10:41:37 <RealSolid> lfm: yep, a likely scenario
869 2011-08-25 10:42:15 <ThomasV> RealSolid: why didn't you try to start something really different ? why a bitcoin clone ?
870 2011-08-25 10:42:38 <ThomasV> with a clone, your chances are zero
871 2011-08-25 10:44:08 Qatz is now known as DaQatz
872 2011-08-25 10:44:10 <ThomasV> I posted several messages in the forum, advocating for a blockchain with infinite supply
873 2011-08-25 10:44:37 <RealSolid> good question ThomasV
874 2011-08-25 10:44:51 <RealSolid> lfm: btw being first is often all you need to succeed, but in some cases it isnt , look at google
875 2011-08-25 10:45:02 <RealSolid> youd rather be the first if you had a choice though
876 2011-08-25 10:45:35 <RealSolid> ThomasV: because there are sites which already accept bitcoin and can easily switch over and start slowly migrating to the better API
877 2011-08-25 10:45:57 <RealSolid> and i understand crypto well enough to know the basic theory in bitcoin security is fine
878 2011-08-25 10:46:14 <ThomasV> huh? I do not see the relation with my question
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880 2011-08-25 10:46:20 <RealSolid> the things which arent fine mostly relate to areas outside that, networking, protocol rules, client, etc
881 2011-08-25 10:46:59 <ThomasV> what is the "better API"
882 2011-08-25 10:47:15 <RealSolid> moving to integers for a start
883 2011-08-25 10:47:29 <RealSolid> but also away from needing to run fat clients to access the network
884 2011-08-25 10:47:37 <RealSolid> but i wont give too much away
885 2011-08-25 10:47:44 <ThomasV> but this is already happening
886 2011-08-25 10:47:50 <ThomasV> see libbitcoin
887 2011-08-25 10:48:00 <ThomasV> and see gavin's last post
888 2011-08-25 10:48:03 <RealSolid> its already happening is it
889 2011-08-25 10:48:05 <RealSolid> lol
890 2011-08-25 10:48:08 <RealSolid> see it in 5 years then
891 2011-08-25 10:48:25 <ThomasV> bah, these are not reasons to do a blockchain fork
892 2011-08-25 10:48:36 <RealSolid> anyway if you think sc has no chance you have nothing to worry about
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894 2011-08-25 10:48:43 <RealSolid> your fav. will win and you'll be right
895 2011-08-25 10:48:53 <RealSolid> happy days
896 2011-08-25 10:49:31 <ThomasV> no, I am asking why you need a fork in order to address the fat client problem
897 2011-08-25 10:49:39 <ThomasV> this sounds like an excuse
898 2011-08-25 10:50:24 <RealSolid> if you think that is my only concern you havent been reading what ive written or you havent read the website
899 2011-08-25 10:50:32 <ThomasV> and I guess the users who are now investing in this bubble do not give a shit about integers
900 2011-08-25 10:50:58 <ThomasV> they want a et rich quick scheme
901 2011-08-25 10:51:02 <ThomasV> *get*
902 2011-08-25 10:51:11 <noagendamarket> http://youtu.be/43wrf_tALSI
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904 2011-08-25 10:53:11 <RealSolid> ThomasV: i cant understand all their motivations
905 2011-08-25 10:53:22 <RealSolid> either way its about 10000% more fair than btc startup as its more known
906 2011-08-25 10:54:34 <ThomasV> now you are talking about fairness...
907 2011-08-25 10:55:15 <RealSolid> sure, you think theres only one reason for SC?
908 2011-08-25 10:55:23 <RealSolid> like i said, read the website instead of trolling
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910 2011-08-25 10:55:48 <ThomasV> no, but I think that the technical reasons you provide are not the real ones
911 2011-08-25 10:56:21 <ThomasV> I am reading the site
912 2011-08-25 10:56:39 <RealSolid> right... having a fast network with low block variance, better difficulty against pool attacks and a more fairer share of the early wealth are all poor reasons for SC
913 2011-08-25 10:56:46 <ThomasV> "Near complete shutdown of network due to pump-n-dumps by large operators" <--- fud ?
914 2011-08-25 10:57:03 <ThomasV> when was there a near complete shutddown ?
915 2011-08-25 10:57:06 <RealSolid> ix/i0
916 2011-08-25 10:57:08 <RealSolid> nmc
917 2011-08-25 10:57:22 <RealSolid> nmc has 4 hour blocks atm
918 2011-08-25 10:57:32 <RealSolid> making it nearly unuseable
919 2011-08-25 10:57:51 <noagendamarket> i0coin is closing down
920 2011-08-25 10:57:59 <noagendamarket> because of the pump and dump
921 2011-08-25 10:58:10 <RealSolid> ThomasV: ixcoin is copying solidcoins network defense mechanism
922 2011-08-25 10:58:13 <ThomasV> oh but that reason is listed in the "But do we need an alternative to Bitcoin?" section, not ixcoin not i0coin
923 2011-08-25 10:58:22 <RealSolid> artforz is recommending it also
924 2011-08-25 10:58:32 <RealSolid> im not some amateur programmer here
925 2011-08-25 10:58:46 <ThomasV> bah artforz knows how to take profit of speculation
926 2011-08-25 10:58:58 <RealSolid> indeed and hes pissed he missed SC mining
927 2011-08-25 10:59:01 <RealSolid> haha
928 2011-08-25 10:59:18 <RealSolid> i timed the release for btcguild and the major miners to be asleep so that more individuals could participate
929 2011-08-25 11:00:02 <ThomasV> bah, there is no point trying to convince you ; it's your baby
930 2011-08-25 11:00:18 <RealSolid> thats right, btw how many bitcoin sites/businesses do you run?
931 2011-08-25 11:00:26 <ThomasV> zero
932 2011-08-25 11:00:38 <RealSolid> have you used the develop environment for bitcoin?
933 2011-08-25 11:01:02 <ThomasV> I was planning to launch an online wallet, but the mybitcoin fiasco made me realize this is not the right approach
934 2011-08-25 11:01:24 <ThomasV> I am now developing something else
935 2011-08-25 11:05:03 <RealSolid> well it goes to show even the admitted ignorant can have an opinion about something doesnt it ;)
936 2011-08-25 11:05:39 <ThomasV> ignorant of what ?
937 2011-08-25 11:06:08 <RealSolid> bitcoin
938 2011-08-25 11:06:20 <ThomasV> why?
939 2011-08-25 11:06:34 <erus`> how is bitcoin formed?
940 2011-08-25 11:07:01 ThomasV is now known as ThomasV_afk
941 2011-08-25 11:07:02 <lfm> well if you want stupid listen to this "compootr enjineer"! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0CtyUKUbSw&feature=related
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944 2011-08-25 11:08:34 <lfm> erus`: try www.bitcoin.org
945 2011-08-25 11:09:16 <erus`> how is babby formed?
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947 2011-08-25 11:09:46 <lfm> erus`: ask google
948 2011-08-25 11:10:14 <erus`> how is formed formed?
949 2011-08-25 11:10:49 <lfm> erus`: how are trolls created?
950 2011-08-25 11:11:49 <erus`> lfm: by that evil lady off of power rangers
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972 2011-08-25 11:50:25 <ThomasV> quite often my bitcoind becomes unresponsive to rpc, possibly a deadlock ; is this a known issue ?
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977 2011-08-25 11:59:08 <Blitzboom> http://lorna-morgan.com/big-nude-boobs/join/images/solidcoin.gif
978 2011-08-25 11:59:18 <Blitzboom> i hope you people take competition seriously
979 2011-08-25 11:59:50 <ThomasV> is she as real as her boobs ?
980 2011-08-25 12:00:06 <Blitzboom> if bitcoin doesnât progress fast enough, people will turn to alternatives
981 2011-08-25 12:00:29 <ThomasV> define "progress"
982 2011-08-25 12:00:57 <ThomasV> does "progress" mean price increase?
983 2011-08-25 12:00:59 <Blitzboom> the client mainly
984 2011-08-25 12:01:18 <Blitzboom> the price increase is a reflection of peopleâs confidence, so that too
985 2011-08-25 12:01:57 <JFK911> it happens in every pump and dump
986 2011-08-25 12:02:12 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r5b488811759d cgminer/main.c: Only consider pool lagging if more than one item is queued.
987 2011-08-25 12:03:14 <doublec> solidcoin has definitely fired some people up
988 2011-08-25 12:03:28 <doublec> more merchants have started using it than any of the other alternate chains
989 2011-08-25 12:03:38 <doublec> I wonder what the difference was
990 2011-08-25 12:03:43 coderrr is now known as coderrr`brb
991 2011-08-25 12:03:51 <Blitzboom> if solidcoin continues to gain traction, i think bitcoin is in a critical condition
992 2011-08-25 12:04:19 coderrr`brb is now known as coderrr
993 2011-08-25 12:04:23 <doublec> it must be RealSolid's winning personality
994 2011-08-25 12:04:23 <RealSolid> Blitzboom: it only has 4% of hashing power
995 2011-08-25 12:04:30 <RealSolid> lets not go crazy
996 2011-08-25 12:04:34 <doublec> hehe
997 2011-08-25 12:04:46 <ThomasV> 4% would be a lot
998 2011-08-25 12:04:51 <Blitzboom> RealSolid: solidcoin has 4% of Bitcoinâs hashing power?!
999 2011-08-25 12:04:58 <Blitzboom> thatâs 1/25 â¦
1000 2011-08-25 12:05:22 <RealSolid> Blitzboom: yeah ive got one thing most bitcoin developers dont have
1001 2011-08-25 12:05:27 <RealSolid> experience
1002 2011-08-25 12:05:40 <Blitzboom> experience with what?
1003 2011-08-25 12:05:47 <doublec> talking
1004 2011-08-25 12:05:49 <RealSolid> nearly everything computer realted
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1006 2011-08-25 12:05:57 <RealSolid> and yeah, good personality
1007 2011-08-25 12:06:36 <Blitzboom> i thought most bitcoin devs were pretty experienced
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1009 2011-08-25 12:06:53 * [Tycho] is
1010 2011-08-25 12:07:11 <RealSolid> if any of them were, theyd have windows experience
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1012 2011-08-25 12:07:15 <RealSolid> going by the code, nearly none do
1013 2011-08-25 12:07:39 <Blitzboom> the code is mostly satoshiâs
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1015 2011-08-25 12:08:50 <RealSolid> so the developers dont actually do anything now?
1016 2011-08-25 12:08:59 <RealSolid> its not really development if nothing happens
1017 2011-08-25 12:09:55 <Blitzboom> dunno, i think they are very conservative with changes
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1019 2011-08-25 12:10:38 <RealSolid> yah maybe its that
1020 2011-08-25 12:11:02 <RealSolid> either way, btc will get better or solidcoin will succeed
1021 2011-08-25 12:11:08 <RealSolid> both ways i win as end user
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1029 2011-08-25 12:23:33 <iddo> doublec: merchants using sc? where did you pull that from?
1030 2011-08-25 12:23:52 <iddo> we're under combined attack by 3 sc trolls ? :)
1031 2011-08-25 12:25:33 <doublec> iddo: Blitzboom posted one above
1032 2011-08-25 12:25:39 <doublec> iddo: also http://solidcoin.info/market.php
1033 2011-08-25 12:26:43 <iddo> blah :)
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1035 2011-08-25 12:27:51 <doublec> iddo: a ruxum user said that ruxum wrote in the internal formums that they were going to add support for it as well
1036 2011-08-25 12:27:58 <doublec> which does seem a bit soon
1037 2011-08-25 12:28:14 <doublec> I guess they like being on the edge
1038 2011-08-25 12:28:57 <iddo> they like pump and dumps ?
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1040 2011-08-25 12:30:29 <iddo> it's so obvious that all sc participants consider it pump and dump, example http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/jppkn/i_made_4_btc_on_a_5770_last_night_mining_these/
1041 2011-08-25 12:31:31 <iddo> too bad for the last morons who'd left holding the bag:(
1042 2011-08-25 12:31:38 <noagendamarket> wtf is wrong with you
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1044 2011-08-25 12:31:54 <noagendamarket> solidcoin is the opposite of pump and dump
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1046 2011-08-25 12:32:19 <noagendamarket> its a reaction to that very thing
1047 2011-08-25 12:32:30 <doublec> iddo: my point is this has been taken differently by merchants compared to the other alt chains, which were very pump/dump oriented
1048 2011-08-25 12:32:37 <doublec> iddo: people are adopting it, and talking about it
1049 2011-08-25 12:32:43 <doublec> iddo: the interesting question is why
1050 2011-08-25 12:32:50 <iddo> noagendamarket: then go buy some sc :)
1051 2011-08-25 12:33:03 <noagendamarket> I alrready own enough :L)
1052 2011-08-25 12:33:20 <iddo> noagendamarket: hold them!
1053 2011-08-25 12:33:26 <noagendamarket> of course
1054 2011-08-25 12:33:39 <noagendamarket> Ill use it to setup services
1055 2011-08-25 12:33:42 <ThomasV> noagendamarket: did you spend some btc to buy them ?
1056 2011-08-25 12:33:45 <log0s> i read solidcoin's faq a couple days ago and i find it hard to take seriously
1057 2011-08-25 12:33:52 <iddo> doublec: what merchants? the one porn site that you mentioned?
1058 2011-08-25 12:34:10 <doublec> iddo: there are 7 merchants on that page
1059 2011-08-25 12:34:11 <noagendamarket> yeah at .0009
1060 2011-08-25 12:34:28 <doublec> iddo: which is about 6 more than the other chains
1061 2011-08-25 12:34:41 <noagendamarket> wile people like you were shitting on it as a scam
1062 2011-08-25 12:34:42 <iddo> doublec: i see only one porn site
1063 2011-08-25 12:34:55 <doublec> iddo: are you reading the page
1064 2011-08-25 12:34:58 <doublec> iddo: "Businesses which accept SolidCoin directly"
1065 2011-08-25 12:35:05 <doublec> there are 6 listed there
1066 2011-08-25 12:35:13 <iddo> doublec: what page?
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1068 2011-08-25 12:35:17 <doublec> and the adult one in the adult section, making 7
1069 2011-08-25 12:35:30 <doublec> iddo: the one I pasted before http://solidcoin.info/market.php
1070 2011-08-25 12:37:02 <iddo> doublec: my guess all listed there is fake
1071 2011-08-25 12:37:39 <doublec> iddo: you'd be guessing wrong
1072 2011-08-25 12:37:49 <doublec> iddo: since many of them are long time bitcoin users
1073 2011-08-25 12:38:08 <genjix> funny enough i read iddo's nick combined with doublec's d and l
1074 2011-08-25 12:38:25 <noagendamarket> dildo ?
1075 2011-08-25 12:39:17 <iddo> doublec: ok maybe something like poker isn't fake, but maybe the site takes their cut as btc
1076 2011-08-25 12:40:00 <doublec> genjix, you live! how's your poker site going?
1077 2011-08-25 12:40:13 <genjix> doublec: i've been busy on #bitcoinconsultancy
1078 2011-08-25 12:40:19 <doublec> so abandoned?
1079 2011-08-25 12:40:20 <genjix> irc can be distracting :p
1080 2011-08-25 12:40:25 <doublec> or passed on?
1081 2011-08-25 12:40:29 <genjix> https://gitorious.org/libbitcoin/libbitcoin
1082 2011-08-25 12:40:36 <doublec> yeah I read about that
1083 2011-08-25 12:41:04 <genjix> also the exchange
1084 2011-08-25 12:41:17 <genjix> poker software will happen, just not for a while
1085 2011-08-25 12:41:21 <doublec> ah, ok
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1087 2011-08-25 12:41:36 <genjix> we need to build the network infrastructure firstly :)
1088 2011-08-25 12:43:36 <iddo> genjix: can you do it without trusting central website as escrow? using https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts
1089 2011-08-25 12:44:15 <genjix> there's a bunch of things you can do to lessen the pain
1090 2011-08-25 12:44:35 <genjix> CHECKMULTISIG for shared wallets, and distributed dealing by the whole table.
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1092 2011-08-25 12:46:18 <iddo> if all players lock their bitcoins at start, then using mental poker multiparty computation, that wouldn't involve trust
1093 2011-08-25 12:46:38 <iddo> but someone could refuse to unlock...
1094 2011-08-25 12:46:44 <iddo> if he loses:)
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1096 2011-08-25 12:47:24 <iddo> so one way is cope with it is to lock 2x btc when you deposit x btc, so he has incentive to unlock
1097 2011-08-25 12:47:56 <coderrr> iddo, as gmaxwell pointed out to me, there's still an extortion attack there
1098 2011-08-25 12:48:14 <coderrr> if one party needs their coins less than the others, he can tell them to send 1% of theirs to him for him to unlock
1099 2011-08-25 12:48:18 <iddo> the more complex multiparty computation protocol is called gradual release (but there's no low-level support for that in bitcoin)
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1102 2011-08-25 12:49:10 <iddo> coderrr: yes i talked with gmaxwell about extortion, the basic feature that still holds true is that you only lose money if you are dishonest
1103 2011-08-25 12:49:46 <coderrr> you mean if any one of the people is dishonest? or what ?
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1105 2011-08-25 12:50:14 <genjix> iddo: yep that's the problem
1106 2011-08-25 12:50:17 <iddo> anyway player could decide if they wish to trust central escrow, or not trust anyone and expose themselves to this extorsion game-theory stuff... there's no way to avoid it
1107 2011-08-25 12:50:34 <coderrr> yea
1108 2011-08-25 12:50:35 <genjix> but CHECKMULTISIG is the way imo
1109 2011-08-25 12:51:58 <lfm> or just OP_AND?
1110 2011-08-25 12:52:00 <iddo> coderrr: if you deposit x btc by unlocking 2x btc (sighash_all default flag, so lock is valid only when all players sign the txn), then if you refule to release the btc after the you lose in poker, then you also lose your extra x btc
1111 2011-08-25 12:52:30 <coderrr> iddo, right, but so does everyone else right ?
1112 2011-08-25 12:52:51 <iddo> coderrr: i.e. all players agree in advance that this is the protocol, and if someone is dishonest and refuse to honor the protocl then he only loses more of his btc
1113 2011-08-25 12:53:16 <iddo> unless players agree to be extorted...
1114 2011-08-25 12:53:30 <coderrr> right, or just , the rich asshole attack
1115 2011-08-25 12:53:31 <genjix> i mean for having a wallet owned by several trusted people
1116 2011-08-25 12:53:39 <coderrr> who throws away his money to piss others off
1117 2011-08-25 12:53:42 <genjix> so one guy cannot steal all funds
1118 2011-08-25 12:53:45 <genjix> anyway afk
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1120 2011-08-25 12:54:28 <iddo> genjix: you can do secret sharing for the address that can unlock, but that has other problems
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1122 2011-08-25 12:55:25 <iddo> if not everyone's signature is needed to release the btc, then cheaters can combine together and steal someone elses btc
1123 2011-08-25 12:56:38 <lfm> iddo ya, but then sometimes you want any 2 of 3 signatures also.
1124 2011-08-25 12:56:55 <iddo> the other suggestion that i mentioned is called gradual release, i.e. when someone loses the poker game he receives the rest of the btc that he deposited, in exchange for releasing his control over it
1125 2011-08-25 12:57:00 <iddo> but that's more complex:(
1126 2011-08-25 12:59:11 <iddo> lfm: yes bitcoin has low-level support for threshold secret sharing (2 of 3 etc.), but not sure if there's real-world scenario w.r.t. poker etc.
1127 2011-08-25 12:59:43 <iddo> i think that requiring everyone's signature is the better way
1128 2011-08-25 13:00:21 <lfm> poker isnt real world
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1140 2011-08-25 13:14:33 <piuk_> Is it possible to get the public key from a ScriptSig with only the <sig> part?
1141 2011-08-25 13:14:35 <piuk_> e.g. "scriptSig" : "3045022100f866278ecd044a2630d7ffaab14a4d9eab1e18351fcb61c5b2f8cfed9dedd7e30220784074b7118b68de4b1aaa41223c8dff2bfbd5c64577c50fe8d3d616b299340e01"
1142 2011-08-25 13:15:16 <lfm> How do I know I exist? 1. Sit at desk 2. Open drawer 3. Put fingers in drawer 4. Slam drawer shut .... Yup I exist!
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1146 2011-08-25 13:15:40 <lfm> piuk_: no
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1148 2011-08-25 13:16:10 <piuk_> thanks
1149 2011-08-25 13:17:08 <lfm> piuk_: the "sig" is just a hash of the key. it is the nature of cryptographic hashes that they are not reversable
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1153 2011-08-25 13:20:17 <lfm> nanotube: there is bid/ask
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1159 2011-08-25 13:34:13 <hloti> hi people. had a question about bitcoins p2p capability
1160 2011-08-25 13:34:27 <lfm> what is the question?
1161 2011-08-25 13:34:39 <WildSoil> ;;bc,stats
1162 2011-08-25 13:34:41 <gribble> Current Blocks: 142530 | Current Difficulty: 1805700.8361937 | Next Difficulty At Block: 143135 | Next Difficulty In: 605 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 28 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1850185.35689645
1163 2011-08-25 13:35:11 <hloti> what functions does this p2p support? does it allow searching the shared content of other node? in other words, can one use the technology to further develop file sharing capability to it?
1164 2011-08-25 13:35:59 <lfm> hloti: it support the bitcoin block chain. its not really a general pupose p2p library or anything
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1166 2011-08-25 13:37:27 <hloti> LFM) i want to develop a p2p mobile application with bitcoin paymnet functions in it. but i also want to be able to seach nodes in network for their shared content. this could be a small xml file. is this functionality already built in the core, or it does not exist
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1169 2011-08-25 13:37:51 <lfm> hloti: no
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1171 2011-08-25 13:38:39 <hloti> ok so it can only update the block chain. thats it
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1173 2011-08-25 13:39:44 <lfm> hloti: thats what it does. it is open source so you could change it to do anything but I dont think people would really want you to be able to check their systems for files really.
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1177 2011-08-25 13:41:21 <hloti> LFM) yes i understand that. i was mainly thinking to search the content of an xlm file that contains some structured data that the user creates through the app and then shares it. but as you say, this part needs to be developed in it
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1179 2011-08-25 13:42:18 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * re81a362b5f06 cgminer/main.c: Bump threshhold for lag up to maximum queued but no staged work.
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1184 2011-08-25 13:43:03 <hloti> LFM) do you know of any other p2p technologies available to do this fucntion for use in developing and android p2p app
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1186 2011-08-25 13:45:08 <lfm> hloti: you mean like bittorrent or something? no really
1187 2011-08-25 13:45:16 <lfm> not really
1188 2011-08-25 13:46:09 <hloti> LFM) yes some thing like that. because those can connect and search files. but any ways, thank you so much for your kind respons. have a great day.
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1228 2011-08-25 15:08:35 <UukGoblin> I'm trying to understand the Standard Transaction script: <sig> <pubKey> OP_DUP... I understand pubKey is the public address of the recipient of coins... what should signature contain and which key should it use?
1229 2011-08-25 15:09:21 <UukGoblin> on the wiki it says "a signature to show evidence of the private key corresponding to the public key just provided" - but we've provided a public key of the /recipient/, so how would we know his private key?
1230 2011-08-25 15:10:01 <upb> lo
1231 2011-08-25 15:10:05 <upb> lol
1232 2011-08-25 15:10:10 <upb> the recipient knows his private key
1233 2011-08-25 15:10:36 <kinlo> you give the public key, and you give the signature, of the receipient of the transaction you are trying to spend
1234 2011-08-25 15:10:52 <kinlo> as a bitcoin address does not contain the public key...
1235 2011-08-25 15:11:11 <UukGoblin> oh, right... so s/recipient/sender/
1236 2011-08-25 15:12:17 <upb> a sender is a recipient awell yes :)
1237 2011-08-25 15:12:23 <UukGoblin> so you sign your public key with your private key?
1238 2011-08-25 15:12:28 <upb> no
1239 2011-08-25 15:12:42 <upb> you sign the transaction with your private key
1240 2011-08-25 15:12:54 <UukGoblin> ah, the entire transaction
1241 2011-08-25 15:12:59 <UukGoblin> yeah, makes sense
1242 2011-08-25 15:13:26 <log0s> UukGoblin: this might help: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/OP_CHECKSIG
1243 2011-08-25 15:14:06 <UukGoblin> log0s, ah, thanks
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1248 2011-08-25 15:21:46 <UukGoblin> the whole recipient/sender is confusing ;-)
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1272 2011-08-25 16:05:32 <epscy> ;;bc,stats
1273 2011-08-25 16:05:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 142539 | Current Difficulty: 1805700.8361937 | Next Difficulty At Block: 143135 | Next Difficulty In: 596 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 0 hours, 41 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1840645.47706339
1274 2011-08-25 16:05:59 <epscy> be interested to see if the difficulty drops again this increase
1275 2011-08-25 16:06:12 <epscy> after this increase even
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1283 2011-08-25 16:15:54 <asher^> how does one extract the transations in a block?
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1288 2011-08-25 16:21:05 <UukGoblin> asher^, blockexplorer.com?
1289 2011-08-25 16:22:56 <asher^> UukGoblin i mean how would i do it on my own.. looks like i need a patch
1290 2011-08-25 16:24:35 <UukGoblin> there's various tools for that
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1292 2011-08-25 16:26:08 <asher^> such as?
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1295 2011-08-25 16:29:16 <UukGoblin> asher^, google shows https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=26484 for instance...
1296 2011-08-25 16:29:27 <UukGoblin> I'm quite sure blockexplorer's source is available somewhere too
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1298 2011-08-25 16:30:18 <asher^> ty
1299 2011-08-25 16:32:18 <phantomcircuit> UukGoblin, it isn't
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1301 2011-08-25 16:33:20 <UukGoblin> phantomcircuit, oh, that's a shame
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1305 2011-08-25 16:40:16 <asher^> anyone used gavins monitoraddress/blocks patch on .24?
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1340 2011-08-25 17:48:50 <asher^> hmm, what exactly is the difference between getblockcount and getblocknumber?
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1350 2011-08-25 17:58:15 <BlueMatt> ;;seen sipa
1351 2011-08-25 17:58:15 <gribble> sipa was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 3 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 45 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <sipa> ;;later tell riush could you try again? the 'unknown key' error should be fixed when removing keys
1352 2011-08-25 17:58:19 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
1353 2011-08-25 17:58:19 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 22 hours, 59 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> (not the soft-shun of "I just won't include them in blocks I create")
1354 2011-08-25 17:58:37 <gavinandresen> Hey Matt, I'm here
1355 2011-08-25 17:59:30 <BlueMatt> oh, I just wanted to see if you and sipa were, but I suppose sipa is just too busy these days...
1356 2011-08-25 18:00:08 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: there's a bug in the makefile, the line with "ifdef $UPNP" should be "#ifeq ($(UPNP,1))"
1357 2011-08-25 18:00:28 <BlueMatt> again?
1358 2011-08-25 18:00:45 <luke-jr> ThomasV: no.
1359 2011-08-25 18:00:51 <BlueMatt> ThomasV: its deliberate, if not slightly confusing
1360 2011-08-25 18:01:00 <luke-jr> ThomasV: UPNP=0 means "supported, disabled by default"
1361 2011-08-25 18:01:03 <ThomasV> huh? why no ?
1362 2011-08-25 18:01:07 <luke-jr> ThomasV: UPNP=1 means "supported, enabled by default"
1363 2011-08-25 18:01:07 <BlueMatt> see discussion at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/461
1364 2011-08-25 18:01:12 <luke-jr> ThomasV: UPNP= means "not supported"
1365 2011-08-25 18:01:13 <BlueMatt> (and the like 10 before it)
1366 2011-08-25 18:02:12 <ThomasV> hmm, I will need to have a look. perhaps a comment around it would help ?
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1368 2011-08-25 18:03:02 <BlueMatt> well its been reported so many times (it is in build-*.txt) it probably just needs changed...
1369 2011-08-25 18:03:05 <asher^> any of you guys use jsonRPCClass.php? im having some trouble, i think with variable types
1370 2011-08-25 18:03:15 <BlueMatt> the original idea was that autotools would come along and it would be clear, but that never happened
1371 2011-08-25 18:03:39 <luke-jr> yeah, --disable-upnp vs --enable-upnp[=0/1] would be much better
1372 2011-08-25 18:03:56 <luke-jr> actually =no/yes
1373 2011-08-25 18:04:06 <ThomasV> BlueMatt: my problem is with LIBS+=-l miniupnpc
1374 2011-08-25 18:04:33 <BlueMatt> ?
1375 2011-08-25 18:04:39 <ThomasV> so I should set UPNP=
1376 2011-08-25 18:04:42 <BlueMatt> yes
1377 2011-08-25 18:04:47 <ThomasV> ok
1378 2011-08-25 18:04:58 <Optimo_> hiya
1379 2011-08-25 18:05:17 <Optimo_> I go away for 5 minutes and all the support at $10 is gone
1380 2011-08-25 18:05:20 <Optimo_> oops wrong room
1381 2011-08-25 18:05:54 <ThomasV> BlueMatt: why did autotools never happen ?
1382 2011-08-25 18:05:57 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: so what is up with the sipa's callback branch?
1383 2011-08-25 18:06:06 <BlueMatt> ThomasV: the guy who wrote it left without finishing it
1384 2011-08-25 18:06:31 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: I'm rewriting it a bit, then will test it and commit it as a fix to the deadlock issue
1385 2011-08-25 18:06:33 <upb> targeting a moving target is frustrating i guess :P
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1388 2011-08-25 18:06:58 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: I too have a deadlock, but I can't say where it is :-)
1389 2011-08-25 18:07:18 <ThomasV> my daemon just becomes unresponsive
1390 2011-08-25 18:07:24 <BlueMatt> upb: not that, he just never finished it, the target really didnt change the entire time he was working on it
1391 2011-08-25 18:07:41 <upb> oh
1392 2011-08-25 18:07:47 <gavinandresen> Latest git-head has deadlock detection code if you compile with -DDEBUG_LOCKORDER
1393 2011-08-25 18:08:13 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: is it documented ?
1394 2011-08-25 18:08:22 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: no, I meant exactly what this thing does...I think Im just being really thick here
1395 2011-08-25 18:09:11 <BlueMatt> but I dont see it fixing the deadlock at all
1396 2011-08-25 18:09:21 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: ah, right. It defers making calls into the wallet when things like new transactions come in, so the main code isn't holding locks that the wallet code might need.
1397 2011-08-25 18:09:52 <BlueMatt> ah ok yes...well that was a part of my grand rearch...
1398 2011-08-25 18:10:00 <BlueMatt> (which sipa mostly planned)
1399 2011-08-25 18:10:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: wasn't he waitign until bitcoin-qt got merged?
1400 2011-08-25 18:10:28 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: other way around
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1402 2011-08-25 18:10:50 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: O.o that seems backward
1403 2011-08-25 18:10:54 <BlueMatt> qt was waiting on autotools
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1405 2011-08-25 18:11:04 <gavinandresen> I'd like to get 0.4 out before any grand re-architecting. And send me the grand-rearchitecting design doc, please..... (is there one?)
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1408 2011-08-25 18:11:21 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: why bump it to 0.4 then?
1409 2011-08-25 18:11:22 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: just pm logs with sipa, I can send the header of the file that does the work though...
1410 2011-08-25 18:11:38 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: well if you want 0.4 out, callbacks is also fairly large reorg...
1411 2011-08-25 18:13:30 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: fairly beta bug general idea: http://pastebin.com/xxji86YF
1412 2011-08-25 18:13:59 <BlueMatt> main.cpp becomes purely chain/tx storage, and communicates via hub to net code
1413 2011-08-25 18:14:06 <BlueMatt> also wallet gets notifications via hub
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1415 2011-08-25 18:14:53 <gavinandresen> You're reinventing Boost.Signals
1416 2011-08-25 18:14:58 <luke-jr> lol
1417 2011-08-25 18:15:04 <luke-jr> also Qt4 signals
1418 2011-08-25 18:15:21 <BlueMatt> to some extent, but putting it in a nice container that is bitcoin-specific
1419 2011-08-25 18:15:27 <luke-jr> Bitcoin-specific is bad :P
1420 2011-08-25 18:15:28 <BlueMatt> the backend would use a boost::asio-type thing
1421 2011-08-25 18:15:38 <gavinandresen> Mmm. "HubListener" doesn't sound very bitcoin-specific......
1422 2011-08-25 18:15:59 <BlueMatt> s/HubListener/BitcoinHubListener/
1423 2011-08-25 18:16:34 <BlueMatt> the idea is to abstract the block storage and net stuff
1424 2011-08-25 18:16:46 <BlueMatt> so that net can be rearched some by people who know how to do those things
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1426 2011-08-25 18:17:06 <BlueMatt> and so that main can be replaced with headers-only without touching much/any net/wallet/etc code
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1429 2011-08-25 18:17:29 <BlueMatt> also, if someone wants to extend bitcoin using their own plugins, listening on the hub makes it fairly easy
1430 2011-08-25 18:17:48 <gavinandresen> I like the basic idea. And Boost.Signals is a very nice framework for de-coupling C++ componenents...
1431 2011-08-25 18:17:50 <luke-jr> plugins in Bitcoin wallet sound like bad idea
1432 2011-08-25 18:17:52 <BlueMatt> you could even easily do a luke-style wallet protocol remotely...
1433 2011-08-25 18:18:00 <gavinandresen> I like the idea of all the networking stuff using Boost.Asio, too
1434 2011-08-25 18:18:05 <BlueMatt> (is what I was getting at)
1435 2011-08-25 18:18:24 <luke-jr> I agree with Gavin for using standard Boost stuff for this tho
1436 2011-08-25 18:18:55 <BlueMatt> I find having 20000 signals defined in main and then used like this to be...dirty
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1438 2011-08-25 18:19:00 <BlueMatt> but maybe thats just me
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1440 2011-08-25 18:19:17 <gavinandresen> Shouldn't be 20,000 signals if each component has a well-defined interface.
1441 2011-08-25 18:19:30 <BlueMatt> maybe I dont understand the point of Boost.Signal then...
1442 2011-08-25 18:20:09 <BlueMatt> but the backend would be done in signal or asio or whatever which would allow it to be threaded or you could use signal for the wallet and pick it up in another thread or as you like...
1443 2011-08-25 18:20:17 <ThomasV> BlueMatt: will there be a separation between the daemon and the wallet ?
1444 2011-08-25 18:20:30 <BlueMatt> could be implemented, but thats further down the road
1445 2011-08-25 18:20:43 <BlueMatt> in the code, yes there would be complete separation, but they would still be in one process
1446 2011-08-25 18:20:46 <gavinandresen> Just makes it easy to re-use parts of bitcoin, and listen to events that "you" care about. E.g. GUI could ask to be told when the block chain count changes, Wallets told when transactions enter the memory pool, etc
1447 2011-08-25 18:21:09 <BlueMatt> thats not what hub does?
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1449 2011-08-25 18:21:24 <asher^> gavinandresen, do you have plans to update your getblock patch for .24?
1450 2011-08-25 18:21:29 <BlueMatt> currently you just extend listener and only implement what you want
1451 2011-08-25 18:21:46 <gavinandresen> asher^: nope, too many higher priority things to do
1452 2011-08-25 18:22:15 <asher^> kk
1453 2011-08-25 18:22:23 <BlueMatt> correct me if Im wrong, but to use signal, you would then have a newblock signal and a newtx signal, and a reorg signal, and and and?
1454 2011-08-25 18:24:09 <gavinandresen> I dunno. Probably just a "there is a new tip-of-chain" signal and "transaction entered/exited the memory pool" would be enough. But I haven't thought deeply about it.
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1456 2011-08-25 18:24:46 <gavinandresen> (for the keep-the-block-chain-organized component)
1457 2011-08-25 18:24:54 <asher^> hmm, are the commands available on the command line automatically available via a json http request? or are they set up separately in bitcoind?
1458 2011-08-25 18:24:57 <BlueMatt> well afaict, you would need a signal for each of the public methods in CHub
1459 2011-08-25 18:25:15 <BlueMatt> and at that point you would be implementing CHub in 20 signal objects
1460 2011-08-25 18:25:18 <gavinandresen> asher^: command-line is just a wrapper for json-http
1461 2011-08-25 18:25:33 <asher^> thats what i though. i wonder what in the world im doing wrong
1462 2011-08-25 18:25:52 <b4epoche> gavinandresen: would you be willing to share a powerpoint (which it appears you used) of your CIA talk?
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1464 2011-08-25 18:26:05 <BlueMatt> he did...dont know where though
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1466 2011-08-25 18:26:38 <gavinandresen> maybe skypaint.com/bitcoin/ ?
1467 2011-08-25 18:27:01 <gavinandresen> hmm, nope, didn't put it there....
1468 2011-08-25 18:27:07 <BlueMatt> wtf is skypaint?
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1470 2011-08-25 18:27:22 <BlueMatt> did you make that?
1471 2011-08-25 18:27:33 <gavinandresen> yup, wrote every line of code in skypaint....
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1475 2011-08-25 18:29:47 <BlueMatt> so...I should just drop reorging and rewrite it using boost::signal? it just seems like boost signal would work identically and be slightly messier?
1476 2011-08-25 18:31:33 <phungus> Gavin, did you really tell someone to shove the Bitcoin gui up their ass? and to eat your cock? someone in #bitcoin is saying they saw this on the Bitcoinshow
1477 2011-08-25 18:31:41 <phungus> just curious
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1480 2011-08-25 18:32:08 <phungus> sorry if that should be in PM
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1482 2011-08-25 18:32:22 <phungus> I mean no disrespect, we have no video timestamp yet
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1484 2011-08-25 18:32:45 <phungus> no proof
1485 2011-08-25 18:32:59 <b4epoche> sounds like it would have been hilarious
1486 2011-08-25 18:33:03 <BlueMatt> heh, it didnt happen
1487 2011-08-25 18:33:04 <phungus> :-)
1488 2011-08-25 18:33:16 <phungus> this is from TuxBlackEdo so who knows
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1490 2011-08-25 18:34:16 <b4epoche> What's DevDirection.key at skypaint.com/bitcoin/ ?
1491 2011-08-25 18:34:20 <phungus> gotta love bitcoin community rumors
1492 2011-08-25 18:34:26 <gavinandresen> mmm. don't feed the trolls.
1493 2011-08-25 18:34:45 <gavinandresen> b4epoche: slides from my bitcoin conference talk
1494 2011-08-25 18:34:52 <asher^> if anyone has a moment and can take a look at this it would be appreciated. its failing with getblockbycount/getblockbyhash but works with other methods. http://pastebin.com/wrQVgT3K
1495 2011-08-25 18:34:56 <phungus> werd
1496 2011-08-25 18:35:03 <phungus> I didn't think it sounded like your character bro
1497 2011-08-25 18:35:05 <b4epoche> gavinandresen: what format?
1498 2011-08-25 18:35:17 <gavinandresen> b4epoche: mac KeyNote
1499 2011-08-25 18:35:18 <phungus> just trying to clear up public nonsense
1500 2011-08-25 18:35:19 <BlueMatt> apple keynote iirc
1501 2011-08-25 18:35:30 <b4epoche> hmm⦠that's what I was hoping
1502 2011-08-25 18:35:36 <b4epoche> but not opening for me
1503 2011-08-25 18:35:50 <gavinandresen> oh, yeah, I interrupted the upload because it was 500-frigging meg
1504 2011-08-25 18:35:55 <gavinandresen> (wtf keynote?)
1505 2011-08-25 18:36:09 <b4epoche> you can "Reduce file size..."
1506 2011-08-25 18:36:23 <BlueMatt> iirc keynote stores the original images in raw in the .key "file" aka folder
1507 2011-08-25 18:36:23 <b4epoche> in the File menu
1508 2011-08-25 18:36:39 <b4epoche> no more bundles...
1509 2011-08-25 18:36:42 <BlueMatt> (isnt .key one of osx's files that are really folders but like to hide)
1510 2011-08-25 18:36:48 <b4epoche> not any more
1511 2011-08-25 18:36:55 * b4epoche wishes it still was
1512 2011-08-25 18:37:01 <BlueMatt> oh, meh oh well
1513 2011-08-25 18:37:17 <b4epoche> editing the internal files was easier
1514 2011-08-25 18:37:59 <b4epoche> but transferring via email was a pita (for the average joe)
1515 2011-08-25 18:38:46 <b4epoche> gavinandresen: is CIA talk a Keynote?
1516 2011-08-25 18:38:52 <gavinandresen> b4epoche: yup
1517 2011-08-25 18:41:49 <b4epoche> gavinandresen: willing to share?
1518 2011-08-25 18:42:00 <gavinandresen> b4epoche: just did
1519 2011-08-25 18:42:07 <gavinandresen> (uploaded cia talk to skypaint.com/bitcoin
1520 2011-08-25 18:42:34 <BlueMatt> anyone have a sec to check that my gitian results are deterministic for you too?
1521 2011-08-25 18:42:53 <BlueMatt> at least the boost+wx ones from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/464
1522 2011-08-25 18:43:04 <b4epoche> gavinandresen: awesome, thx
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1524 2011-08-25 18:48:08 <BlueMatt> DaQatz: I like the ip
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1526 2011-08-25 18:48:38 <BlueMatt> ipv6: bringing vanity ip addresses to everyone
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1528 2011-08-25 18:50:28 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: anyway, so Im to read your comments as "meh, grand rearch ok, your implementation here, not so much"?
1529 2011-08-25 18:50:38 <asher^> noob question: how is a scriptPubKey linked to an address?
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1531 2011-08-25 18:51:40 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: I printed out your implementation and will look harder at it soon. My initial reaction was "looks like he's reimplementing Boost.signals"
1532 2011-08-25 18:52:16 <BlueMatt> ah ok, Im just fishing to see what people's opinions are...no point working hard to implement something no one wants
1533 2011-08-25 18:52:31 <gavinandresen> yup
1534 2011-08-25 18:52:53 <luke-jr> someone give me somethign for the coinbase or I use random IRC quotes
1535 2011-08-25 18:52:56 <gavinandresen> I think you'll need a higher-level design document, and not just proposed .h files
1536 2011-08-25 18:52:57 <luke-jr> I ran out of prayers
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1538 2011-08-25 18:53:29 <ThomasV> luke-jr: try child porn
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1540 2011-08-25 18:54:08 <luke-jr> ThomasV: no
1541 2011-08-25 18:54:13 <mtrlt> why not /dev/random ?
1542 2011-08-25 18:54:18 <luke-jr> mtrlt: that's boring
1543 2011-08-25 18:54:19 <ThomasV> luke-jr: something like "My name is Robert Brown, Oregon"
1544 2011-08-25 18:54:22 <luke-jr> and doesn't compress well
1545 2011-08-25 18:54:24 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: well its working, just not 100% abstracted, just the major parts are... in terms of design, well its pretty much what the header suggests it is, but I suppose I could write up a paragraph or two...
1546 2011-08-25 18:54:27 <mtrlt> but serves its purpose :p
1547 2011-08-25 18:54:29 <luke-jr> ThomasV: LOL
1548 2011-08-25 18:54:33 <mtrlt> hmm is the coinbase length fixed?
1549 2011-08-25 18:54:43 <ThomasV> luke-jr: no, don't do it, it's a joke, ok?
1550 2011-08-25 18:54:44 <mtrlt> or is there a minimum or something
1551 2011-08-25 18:55:28 <luke-jr> ThomasV: I know.
1552 2011-08-25 18:55:37 <BlueMatt> (though the actual backend is hacked together with simple for loops atm, it should be rewritten using boost asio or something to allow it to work well, and eventually thread)
1553 2011-08-25 18:55:41 <Eliel> luke-jr: have an irc-bot grab a few quotes each time (or allow people on the channel to nominate them) and provide some way for people to vote on which quote to put there.
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1555 2011-08-25 18:55:59 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: this is coinbase for what, eligius blocks?
1556 2011-08-25 18:56:21 <luke-jr> BlueMatt yeah
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1563 2011-08-25 18:59:37 <theymos> What's the bug with OP_CHECKMULTISIG thag gavin was talking about?
1564 2011-08-25 19:01:04 <gavinandresen> see the send/redeemescrow pull request: groffer claims it pops too many args off the stack
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1571 2011-08-25 19:10:02 <upb> luke-jr: i already gave it: اشÙد ا٠Ùا اÙ٠اÙا اÙÙÙ
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1578 2011-08-25 19:22:42 <log0s> tcatm: bitcoincharts is showing bids that don't really exist
1579 2011-08-25 19:22:47 <log0s> (for mtgox)
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1585 2011-08-25 19:28:04 <theymos> gavinandresen: Yeah, it looks like "while (i-- > 0)" should actually be "while (--i > 0)". Too bad.
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1588 2011-08-25 19:31:04 <tcatm> log0s: ?
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1590 2011-08-25 19:31:48 <log0s> tcatm: the mtgox depth shows some 4k+ bid at 9.01...getDepth.php from mtgox doesn't
1591 2011-08-25 19:32:35 <log0s> not sure if there are others, that's just the most noticeable
1592 2011-08-25 19:32:38 <tcatm> log0s: [9.01,4015.18301774] (from getDepth.php)
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1594 2011-08-25 19:34:38 <log0s> tcatm: hmmm...you're right
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1596 2011-08-25 19:35:40 <log0s> i wonder what my code is doing that isn't handling that correctly
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1608 2011-08-25 20:01:30 <TuxBlackEdo> phugus
1609 2011-08-25 20:01:53 <TuxBlackEdo> i was kidding
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1629 2011-08-25 20:24:23 <Matth1a3> can anyone recommend a resource(s) for catching up on C++? I haven't touched it for 8+ years but want to contribute to Bitcoin core. Lately I have been coding PHP/Javascript/HTML/CSS in eclipse - but have worked in RoR, and Java briefly. Also, basic back in the 90s
1630 2011-08-25 20:25:16 <Matth1a3> advice for where to learn it quickly, and a development environment for testing patches would be ideal
1631 2011-08-25 20:27:12 <jgarzik> Matth1a3: looking at the code itself helps, as long as you know programming in general. each C++ codebase develops its own idioms, so that can be a better resource than, say, a book that focuses purely on STL or Boost
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1635 2011-08-25 20:30:22 <Matth1a3> The only C++ book I have is "C++ from scratch" circa 1999 - I'm guessing that might not be the best reference
1636 2011-08-25 20:30:35 <Matth1a3> jgarzik: thank you, I'll just jump in then =)
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1640 2011-08-25 20:31:36 <zamgo> also, learn git.
1641 2011-08-25 20:31:58 <luke-jr> Matth1a3: C++ has changed quite a bit since 99
1642 2011-08-25 20:32:36 <luke-jr> Matth1a3: also, there are Bitcoin wallets and nodes implemented in other languages too
1643 2011-08-25 20:32:38 <Matth1a3> zamgo: sounds good - it looks pretty straight forward. I've been using SVN for years, but I hear the Git people have made things easier =)
1644 2011-08-25 20:32:52 <luke-jr> Matth1a3: there is a huge learning curve going from svn to git
1645 2011-08-25 20:32:57 <zamgo> advanced git'ing has a bit of learning curve
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1651 2011-08-25 20:40:55 <copumpkin> there's even a bitcoin client in haskell!!
1652 2011-08-25 20:40:56 <copumpkin> imagine that
1653 2011-08-25 20:41:13 <npouillard> a working one copumpkin ?
1654 2011-08-25 20:41:14 <ThomasV> where?
1655 2011-08-25 20:41:17 <copumpkin> npouillard
1656 2011-08-25 20:41:21 <copumpkin> mostly working, I think
1657 2011-08-25 20:41:26 <copumpkin> roconnor wrote it from scratch
1658 2011-08-25 20:41:28 <copumpkin> poke him
1659 2011-08-25 20:41:41 <copumpkin> http://r6.ca/Purecoin/
1660 2011-08-25 20:41:43 <copumpkin> darcs get that
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1662 2011-08-25 20:42:23 * npouillard darcs pull
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1664 2011-08-25 20:42:58 * arcatan pull
1665 2011-08-25 20:43:11 <luke-jr> darcs is still around?
1666 2011-08-25 20:43:13 <copumpkin> wow, lots of covert haskellers hiding in here
1667 2011-08-25 20:43:34 <copumpkin> luke-jr: yep, a few people still like it :)
1668 2011-08-25 20:43:36 <luke-jr> IIRC darcs was like the ideal DVCS back some years ago, except for lack of a merge history
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1670 2011-08-25 20:44:00 <copumpkin> it still has features no other system provides
1671 2011-08-25 20:44:08 <copumpkin> but lacks features other systems do provide
1672 2011-08-25 20:44:13 <luke-jr> did they get a merge history yet?
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1674 2011-08-25 20:44:17 <npouillard> some people still like to wait for each command to drink more coffee...
1675 2011-08-25 20:44:20 <luke-jr> I don't know why that's so hard
1676 2011-08-25 20:44:28 <copumpkin> I'm pretty sure it'll track them
1677 2011-08-25 20:44:38 <luke-jr> copumpkin: I mean times and such
1678 2011-08-25 20:44:44 <copumpkin> oh, dunno
1679 2011-08-25 20:44:46 <luke-jr> so you can see what the *repository* looked like at a specific time
1680 2011-08-25 20:44:50 <npouillard> "Shall I pull this patch? (1/18)" <= some progress then
1681 2011-08-25 20:44:53 <copumpkin> the issue is that the history is very non-linear
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1683 2011-08-25 20:45:15 <luke-jr> copumpkin: can still snapshot which patches are added/removed at what times
1684 2011-08-25 20:45:20 <copumpkin> yeah
1685 2011-08-25 20:45:26 <copumpkin> I think you can do that
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1687 2011-08-25 20:45:32 <copumpkin> not sure how automatic it is though
1688 2011-08-25 20:45:37 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: can you please explain the learning curve of svn->git
1689 2011-08-25 20:45:44 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i keep hearing people say it and don't get it
1690 2011-08-25 20:46:22 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: basically the paradigm shift from remotely accessing a repository to maintaining one locally, plus staging
1691 2011-08-25 20:46:24 <jrmithdobbs> an rcs system is an rcs system is an rcs system
1692 2011-08-25 20:46:50 <luke-jr> git is to RCS what svn is to CVS, in this context
1693 2011-08-25 20:47:15 <luke-jr> err
1694 2011-08-25 20:47:22 <jrmithdobbs> i mean rcs as in "revision control system" not rcs as in "the local revision control system software cvs is based on"
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1696 2011-08-25 20:47:36 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I know. I meant it as the RCS software
1697 2011-08-25 20:47:44 <luke-jr> RCS maintains a local repository, just like git
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1699 2011-08-25 20:47:53 <jrmithdobbs> ya
1700 2011-08-25 20:47:54 <luke-jr> CVS/Svn work with a remote repository
1701 2011-08-25 20:48:00 <zamgo> want PHP+Mysql client
1702 2011-08-25 20:48:13 <luke-jr> Bazaar can do either ;)
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1704 2011-08-25 20:48:21 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i don't understand how push vs pull is so hard to comprehend though
1705 2011-08-25 20:48:26 <zamgo> bonus
1706 2011-08-25 20:48:31 <jrmithdobbs> i'm not questioning that this is true
1707 2011-08-25 20:48:37 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: also, more important is the workflow changes
1708 2011-08-25 20:48:57 <luke-jr> because of superior merging, proper development now consists of daggy fixes and feature branches
1709 2011-08-25 20:49:05 <jrmithdobbs> I know someone who makes big bucks (too much, i'd say) doing cvs->svn and svn->merc/git migrations
1710 2011-08-25 20:49:06 <luke-jr> whereas that was impractical with svn
1711 2011-08-25 20:49:06 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, git is drcs which confuses people
1712 2011-08-25 20:49:14 <jrmithdobbs> and he says the same thing, it confuses the fuck out of people
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1714 2011-08-25 20:49:41 <luke-jr> daggy fixes = go back in time to correct the bug when it was introduced, and merge that to all the mainline branches affected
1715 2011-08-25 20:50:03 <luke-jr> feature branches = add every new feature in a dedicated branch, and merge it to mainline when it's working well
1716 2011-08-25 20:50:26 <Diablo-D3> https://plus.google.com/107117483540235115863/posts/gcSStkKxXTw
1717 2011-08-25 20:50:28 <luke-jr> with Svn/CVS, this stuff is annoyign to do
1718 2011-08-25 20:50:36 <luke-jr> making it impractical for anything other than major features
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1740 2011-08-25 21:16:51 <Matth1a3> Diablo-D3: haha, nice
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1748 2011-08-25 21:37:30 <aldiyen> jrmithdobbs: git is more difficult because it's more powerful. stashing, rebasing, cherry-picking revisions, local branches... hell, many people have more than enough trouble just understanding merging in subversion
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1782 2011-08-25 22:27:29 <Elvis-> hi everyone
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1786 2011-08-25 22:28:19 <Elvis-> got a question about mining, I've setup guiminer and trying to connect it to a pool, it sais connecting since I set it up and I can't seem to understand why it doesn't connect
1787 2011-08-25 22:28:23 <Elvis-> any ideas?
1788 2011-08-25 22:28:35 <phantomcircuit> #bitcoin-mining
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1790 2011-08-25 22:28:43 <phantomcircuit> irc seems kind of dead though
1791 2011-08-25 22:28:47 <Elvis-> tnx
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1825 2011-08-25 23:34:42 <fabianhjr_> makomk: You there?
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1838 2011-08-25 23:56:46 <makomk> fabianhjr_: just thinking of heading to bed, why?
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1841 2011-08-25 23:58:05 <fabianhjr_> makomk: I ran your tool and it claim to have gotten 3K keys.
1842 2011-08-25 23:58:26 <fabianhjr_> It finished correctly and the recovered wallet was 160 KB. Only one key. ):
1843 2011-08-25 23:58:27 <makomk> Some of those are probably duplicates...
1844 2011-08-25 23:58:44 <makomk> OK, how can you tell there's only one key?
1845 2011-08-25 23:58:47 <fabianhjr_> makomk: no I was looking trough the log, only about 1/2 were duplicates.
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1849 2011-08-25 23:59:14 <makomk> I should probably add a note, but the keys it finds don't show up in the list of keys in the Bitcoin client.
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1851 2011-08-25 23:59:19 <fabianhjr_> makomk: I loaded the wallet and since you said that by default it would be public keys.
1852 2011-08-25 23:59:30 <fabianhjr_> Oh really? So I just have to do a scan?
1853 2011-08-25 23:59:35 <makomk> Yep.
1854 2011-08-25 23:59:49 <fabianhjr_> I missinterpreted the "no keys as spare addresses"?
1855 2011-08-25 23:59:58 <fabianhjr_> Or what does it mean if they are hidden?