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  26 2011-08-28 00:56:58 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt sounds good to me
  27 2011-08-28 00:56:58 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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  37 2011-08-28 01:10:41 <gribble> Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "asks" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
  38 2011-08-28 01:10:48 <mabus> ;;list later
  39 2011-08-28 01:10:48 <gribble> notes, remove, and tell
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  46 2011-08-28 01:31:00 <nanotube> ;;asks 10
  47 2011-08-28 01:31:01 <gribble> There are currently 30930.365 bitcoins offered at or under 10.0 USD, worth 295067.360019 USD in total.
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 195 2011-08-28 07:49:49 <Tamo> Anyone want to make 0.25? I need a wget command that will download http://www.example/com/images/{100..200}.png, which outputs to /home/{100..200}.png :)
 196 2011-08-28 07:49:52 <Tamo> wget -O {100..200}.png http://www.example.com/images/{100..200}.png - example
 197 2011-08-28 07:50:29 <theymos> Use a bash for loop.
 198 2011-08-28 07:50:56 <Tamo> Hand me the command and ill send0r 0.25, tis super basic stuff, I'm just an ultra noob :)
 199 2011-08-28 07:51:33 <tcatm> wget http://www.example.com/images/{100..200}.png # should work
 200 2011-08-28 07:51:46 <Tamo> I need it to output too
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 202 2011-08-28 07:52:34 <theymos> for i in {100..200}; do wget -O $i.png http://www.example.com/images/$i ; done
 203 2011-08-28 07:53:38 <upb> or just use curl which has that built in
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 211 2011-08-28 08:48:13 <erle-> only bitcoin is uninflatable:
 212 2011-08-28 08:48:13 <erle-> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/25/us-planet-diamond-idUSTRE77O69A20110825?dlvrit=309301&feedType=RSS&feedName=scienceNews
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 327 2011-08-28 12:21:47 <SomeoneWeird> ok, i've changed the irc channels my client is connecting to, yet when i compile+run im still getting 2+ connections - what gives?
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 332 2011-08-28 12:27:28 <Eliel> SomeoneWeird: did you do anything to dnsseed code?
 333 2011-08-28 12:27:41 <SomeoneWeird> hrmm not that i know of
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 335 2011-08-28 12:30:06 <SomeoneWeird> that why Eliel ?
 336 2011-08-28 12:33:31 <Incitatus> MagicalTux, when will your merchant API be back up?
 337 2011-08-28 12:33:37 <Incitatus> or anyone who knows
 338 2011-08-28 12:33:38 <Incitatus> ...
 339 2011-08-28 12:34:00 <MagicalTux> Incitatus: the API has been up for a while, waiting for merchants currently
 340 2011-08-28 12:34:15 <MagicalTux> it'll be implemented in our mobile app soon too
 341 2011-08-28 12:34:17 <Incitatus> I checked yesterday and it says that it's down
 342 2011-08-28 12:34:17 <Eliel> SomeoneWeird: well, it sounded to me like you're trying to control how many nodes you connect to. dnsseed would connect to a lot of them.
 343 2011-08-28 12:34:58 <Incitatus> "Merchant service are currently unavailable, but will be back soon."
 344 2011-08-28 12:35:31 <Incitatus> sorry, the merchant services, I guess, can a merchant just set up an account and receive payments on MtGox?
 345 2011-08-28 12:35:43 <Incitatus> or what is merchant services
 346 2011-08-28 12:36:14 <MagicalTux> Incitatus: the new ones are not documented until we get some merchants to participate into tests
 347 2011-08-28 12:36:25 <MagicalTux> so far nobody has presented any interest in the SCI, so it's been put aside
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 349 2011-08-28 12:37:13 <ryannathans> ohai
 350 2011-08-28 12:37:26 <ryannathans> what happens when block chain becomes gigabytes
 351 2011-08-28 12:37:32 <ryannathans> will there be any optimisations?
 352 2011-08-28 12:39:59 <Incitatus> magicaltux I'm not sure what that means :/ but i have a merchant who wants to be able to accept instant transfers from MtGox to MtGox account, can he do that via a regular account?
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 354 2011-08-28 12:40:16 <MagicalTux> Incitatus: yes
 355 2011-08-28 12:40:24 <Incitatus> will there be some sort of limit as to how much he can receive per day?
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 357 2011-08-28 12:40:42 <MagicalTux> no, however each user have a limit as to how much they can send per day
 358 2011-08-28 12:41:04 <Incitatus> ok good to know, thanks magicaltux
 359 2011-08-28 12:41:22 <MagicalTux> Incitatus: just contact me on admin@mtgox.com if you ahve questions
 360 2011-08-28 12:45:21 <Incitatus> thanks
 361 2011-08-28 12:45:45 <ryannathans> can someone answer my Q thanks?
 362 2011-08-28 12:46:18 <SomeoneWeird> dont know about optimisations to the actual chain ryannathans
 363 2011-08-28 12:46:26 <SomeoneWeird> but the clients will be optimised
 364 2011-08-28 12:46:30 <ryannathans> hope so
 365 2011-08-28 12:46:42 <ryannathans> it will be a pain in the ass for a blockchain to be gigabytes long
 366 2011-08-28 12:47:14 <SomeoneWeird> i was gunna submit a patch that makes it load the chain backwards
 367 2011-08-28 12:47:35 <SomeoneWeird> then you can see + use all your recent coins while the rest loads
 368 2011-08-28 12:47:55 <asher^> .24 downloads the block chain really quickly though
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 370 2011-08-28 12:50:36 <SomeoneWeird> yeah i know
 371 2011-08-28 12:53:25 <BitManiac> a few gigabytes is not really a problem
 372 2011-08-28 12:53:35 <BitManiac> it's less than a 720p movie
 373 2011-08-28 12:53:52 <BitManiac> people can use an ewallet if their computer / net connection sucks
 374 2011-08-28 12:55:31 <Eliel> ryannathans: the blockchain is going to hit gigabytes, possibly even terabytes eventually. The size increase can be slowed by optimizations that clear out old used up transactions from the chain. While that does reduce the size significantly, it won't change the asymptotic function for the size.
 375 2011-08-28 12:55:47 <SomeoneWeird> 720p movies are only like 700 megs
 376 2011-08-28 12:57:32 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r8d3931161350 cgminer/main.c: Reinstate minimum 1 extra in queue to make it extremely unlikely to ever have 0 staged work items and any idle time.
 377 2011-08-28 12:57:33 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rfc46d57d626e cgminer/main.c: Return -1 if no input is detected from the menu to prevent it being interpreted as a 0.
 378 2011-08-28 13:02:42 <BitManiac> <SomeoneWeird> 720p movies are only like 700 megs
 379 2011-08-28 13:02:44 <BitManiac> wtf
 380 2011-08-28 13:02:53 <BitManiac> maybe with no sound and mega compression
 381 2011-08-28 13:03:04 <BitManiac> average size for a 720p movie is about 4gb
 382 2011-08-28 13:03:18 <BitManiac> I download maybe 10 a month
 383 2011-08-28 13:03:36 <BitManiac> lots of people download 1080p movies
 384 2011-08-28 13:03:40 <BitManiac> 8-10gb each
 385 2011-08-28 13:04:09 <BitManiac> thousands and thousands of downloads for those on TPB for example
 386 2011-08-28 13:04:10 <asher^> i downloaded one the other day that was 16 :-|
 387 2011-08-28 13:04:16 <BitManiac> and that's just a small site
 388 2011-08-28 13:04:32 <BitManiac> I really don't think 10-20gb for a blockchain is a huge issue
 389 2011-08-28 13:04:35 <SomeoneWeird> 0.o
 390 2011-08-28 13:04:49 <asher^> wtf the blockchain is that big?
 391 2011-08-28 13:04:54 <BitManiac> by the time it reaches 1TB, then 1TB will fit on a USB drive
 392 2011-08-28 13:04:56 <phantomcircuit> no it isn't
 393 2011-08-28 13:05:06 <BitManiac> and everyhone will have gigabit net connections
 394 2011-08-28 13:05:18 <phantomcircuit> the issue is disk latency more than anything else
 395 2011-08-28 13:05:24 <SomeoneWeird> asher^ it's <1gb atm
 396 2011-08-28 13:05:33 <BitManiac> yeah
 397 2011-08-28 13:05:33 <asher^> thought so
 398 2011-08-28 13:06:11 <Rennex> the thing is, i have all my HD movies on big hard disks. i have bitcoin installed on a ssd, and i really don't care much about having the entire blockchain there taking up 1GB..
 399 2011-08-28 13:06:25 <Rennex> i mean
 400 2011-08-28 13:06:41 <Rennex> i do care that it takes 1GB, i don't care about having the entire chain, i'd prefer it to take 100MB or so :P
 401 2011-08-28 13:06:48 <SomeoneWeird> yeah lol
 402 2011-08-28 13:06:55 <Rennex> screw the old blocks
 403 2011-08-28 13:06:56 <BitManiac> maybe later versions of the client can be configured to only download the last 1gb of the chain
 404 2011-08-28 13:07:10 <SomeoneWeird> well by the time that the chain is 5+gb ssd's will be standard
 405 2011-08-28 13:07:21 <BitManiac> but then you lose sight of coins you received many years ago
 406 2011-08-28 13:07:50 <SomeoneWeird> or
 407 2011-08-28 13:07:57 <BitManiac> selective block saving
 408 2011-08-28 13:07:58 <SomeoneWeird> the client keeps the blocks that are important
 409 2011-08-28 13:08:01 <SomeoneWeird> yeah
 410 2011-08-28 13:08:02 <BitManiac> only save blocks that relate to you
 411 2011-08-28 13:08:04 <SomeoneWeird> ^^
 412 2011-08-28 13:08:05 <SomeoneWeird> :)
 413 2011-08-28 13:08:13 <Rennex> the old blocks should just be combined into a "start state", just forget all old movements of the coins
 414 2011-08-28 13:08:22 <Rennex> or something
 415 2011-08-28 13:08:24 <SomeoneWeird> hrmm yeah
 416 2011-08-28 13:08:24 <BitManiac> would break the effectiveness of the p2p network though
 417 2011-08-28 13:08:28 <SomeoneWeird> thatd work i think
 418 2011-08-28 13:08:41 <BitManiac> if peers only held some blocks and not all of them
 419 2011-08-28 13:08:47 <BitManiac> would be difficult to download the entire chain
 420 2011-08-28 13:08:53 <Eliel> there will be lightweight clients for people who want them.
 421 2011-08-28 13:09:01 <Rennex> BitManiac: i know...
 422 2011-08-28 13:09:12 <Rennex> but yeah, something like a lightweight client, or a space-saving setting that defaults to off
 423 2011-08-28 13:09:36 <BitManiac> maybe if you run the full client, you earn 0.001btc for every gb transferred
 424 2011-08-28 13:09:51 <BitManiac> and if you run the light client, you pay 0.001btc for every btc transferred
 425 2011-08-28 13:09:53 <BitManiac> or something
 426 2011-08-28 13:10:22 <SomeoneWeird> ooo
 427 2011-08-28 13:10:24 <SomeoneWeird> nice :)
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 430 2011-08-28 13:10:38 <Eliel> BitManiac: every pool, at the minimum will need to run full node.
 431 2011-08-28 13:10:49 <Eliel> otherwise mining is impossible.
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 433 2011-08-28 13:11:06 <BitManiac> sure
 434 2011-08-28 13:11:14 <BitManiac> but then we only have 100 full nodes
 435 2011-08-28 13:11:22 <BitManiac> or however many mining pools there are
 436 2011-08-28 13:11:39 <SomeoneWeird> less than 100
 437 2011-08-28 13:11:53 <Eliel> although, with the p2p pool and the way bitpenny pool operates, every miner needs to run a full node.
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 439 2011-08-28 13:12:14 <SomeoneWeird> hrmm
 440 2011-08-28 13:12:21 <BitManiac> mm
 441 2011-08-28 13:12:23 <BitManiac> anyway
 442 2011-08-28 13:12:35 <BitManiac> how many transactions does there need to be to double the size of the current chain
 443 2011-08-28 13:12:59 <SomeoneWeird> hrmm idnno
 444 2011-08-28 13:13:04 <BitManiac> more than all of the transactions so far I think
 445 2011-08-28 13:13:53 <SomeoneWeird> wut
 446 2011-08-28 13:14:05 <SomeoneWeird> so
 447 2011-08-28 13:14:20 <ryannathans> spam 1btc to yourself
 448 2011-08-28 13:14:24 <ryannathans> thousands of times
 449 2011-08-28 13:14:30 <ryannathans> you mad btc blockchain?!
 450 2011-08-28 13:14:32 <SomeoneWeird> $dbltxs > ($currenttxs^2)?
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 452 2011-08-28 13:14:40 <SomeoneWeird> lol ryan
 453 2011-08-28 13:14:53 <ryannathans> no tx fee on 1btc
 454 2011-08-28 13:14:58 <ryannathans> not when i last checked
 455 2011-08-28 13:15:00 <SomeoneWeird> there is
 456 2011-08-28 13:15:03 <SomeoneWeird> well
 457 2011-08-28 13:15:07 <SomeoneWeird> technically no
 458 2011-08-28 13:15:12 <SomeoneWeird> but using the official client there is
 459 2011-08-28 13:15:19 <ryannathans> lolwut
 460 2011-08-28 13:15:21 <ryannathans> i need to check tis.
 461 2011-08-28 13:15:36 <ryannathans> "Pay Transaction Fee" 0.00
 462 2011-08-28 13:15:41 <ryannathans> send 1 btc to mysef
 463 2011-08-28 13:15:43 <ryannathans> and lets see
 464 2011-08-28 13:15:52 <SomeoneWeird> lol that doesn't do shit for the main client
 465 2011-08-28 13:16:00 <ryannathans> eh?
 466 2011-08-28 13:16:07 <ryannathans> i'm seeing if theres a fee
 467 2011-08-28 13:16:37 <SomeoneWeird> if you set the transaction fee in bitcoin.conf or something the client ignores it afaik
 468 2011-08-28 13:16:40 <SomeoneWeird> brb
 469 2011-08-28 13:17:05 <ryannathans> this is in settings of main client
 470 2011-08-28 13:17:45 <ryannathans> NO FEE
 471 2011-08-28 13:17:45 <ryannathans> WOOT
 472 2011-08-28 13:18:48 <ryannathans> in theory, one could set up a wallet with some coins and send a second wallet and spam coins back and forward with no fee. Blockchain will get mad.
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 474 2011-08-28 13:19:09 <ryannathans> size would eventually grow huge
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 476 2011-08-28 13:19:17 <ryannathans> make it fit into a botnet
 477 2011-08-28 13:19:21 <ryannathans> and btc gets mad
 478 2011-08-28 13:19:28 <SomeoneWeird> you sure ryannathans 0.o
 479 2011-08-28 13:19:42 <ryannathans> I'm Ryan Shaw
 480 2011-08-28 13:19:47 <SomeoneWeird> i know that
 481 2011-08-28 13:19:50 <ryannathans> xD
 482 2011-08-28 13:19:53 <SomeoneWeird> lol
 483 2011-08-28 13:20:46 <ryannathans> would next block have my TX in it?
 484 2011-08-28 13:20:54 <SomeoneWeird> herm
 485 2011-08-28 13:20:58 <SomeoneWeird> you sent with no fee
 486 2011-08-28 13:20:59 <SomeoneWeird> ?
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 488 2011-08-28 13:21:17 <ryannathans> yup
 489 2011-08-28 13:21:23 <ryannathans> it was big enough
 490 2011-08-28 13:21:26 <ryannathans> no fee was needed
 491 2011-08-28 13:21:30 <ryannathans> only fees on small tx's
 492 2011-08-28 13:21:36 <SomeoneWeird> good luck getting it included in any block for a while :)
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 494 2011-08-28 13:21:52 <ryannathans> why?
 495 2011-08-28 13:22:09 <SomeoneWeird> because
 496 2011-08-28 13:22:13 <SomeoneWeird> it was sent with a 0 fee
 497 2011-08-28 13:24:08 <ryannathans> the block just passed was 98% 0 fee
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 499 2011-08-28 13:25:09 <ryannathans> lol
 500 2011-08-28 13:25:11 <ryannathans> it's in there
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 502 2011-08-28 13:25:32 <ryannathans> it says i sent 1.01
 503 2011-08-28 13:25:57 <ryannathans> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/6edd84316c50b6e30a11358e0009711eee38c1be00bfb3e668533b76c9e173ca
 504 2011-08-28 13:26:02 <SomeoneWeird> exactly
 505 2011-08-28 13:26:08 <SomeoneWeird> you sent 1btc didn't you
 506 2011-08-28 13:26:12 <SomeoneWeird> not 1.01
 507 2011-08-28 13:26:27 <ryannathans> yes
 508 2011-08-28 13:26:34 <ryannathans> but my balance is still exactly the same
 509 2011-08-28 13:26:39 <ryannathans> not .01 off
 510 2011-08-28 13:26:41 <SomeoneWeird> hrmm
 511 2011-08-28 13:26:49 <ryannathans> .01 generated from no where
 512 2011-08-28 13:27:05 <SomeoneWeird> no
 513 2011-08-28 13:27:15 <SomeoneWeird> you had 1.01 from that address
 514 2011-08-28 13:27:25 <SomeoneWeird> you sent 1 off to another address
 515 2011-08-28 13:27:33 <SomeoneWeird> and then the extra gets sent back to you
 516 2011-08-28 13:27:40 <ryannathans> i dont own the .01 address though
 517 2011-08-28 13:27:56 <sytse> you probably do
 518 2011-08-28 13:28:04 <SomeoneWeird> you do ryan
 519 2011-08-28 13:28:08 <sytse> the bitcoin UI doesn't show all addresses you have
 520 2011-08-28 13:28:13 <SomeoneWeird> this ^
 521 2011-08-28 13:28:24 <sytse> (because that would only lead to clutter)
 522 2011-08-28 13:28:25 <ryannathans> aww
 523 2011-08-28 13:28:46 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
 524 2011-08-28 13:28:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 142914 | Current Difficulty: 1805700.8361937 | Next Difficulty At Block: 143135 | Next Difficulty In: 221 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 13 hours, 4 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1791834.68851753
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 526 2011-08-28 13:29:15 <ryannathans> so I added 2.056 kilobytes to the block chain at no cost to me, In theory I could do this over and over and over very fast and make the blockchain huge
 527 2011-08-28 13:29:20 <ryannathans> but i like btc too much to do that
 528 2011-08-28 13:30:18 <ryannathans> hmm, there needs to be something to fix that.
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 532 2011-08-28 13:30:57 <SomeoneWeird> there is.
 533 2011-08-28 13:30:58 <SomeoneWeird> fees.
 534 2011-08-28 13:31:10 <SomeoneWeird> most pools will favour tx's that have fees over ones that dont
 535 2011-08-28 13:31:13 <SomeoneWeird> you just got lucky
 536 2011-08-28 13:31:22 <ryannathans> i find i funny how it was instant xD
 537 2011-08-28 13:31:36 <ryannathans> so what, they still occur, thousands will build up and still be processed
 538 2011-08-28 13:31:56 <ryannathans> considering like 5 txs in every block have fees and the rest have none
 539 2011-08-28 13:33:11 <SomeoneWeird> derp no
 540 2011-08-28 13:33:12 <sytse> a big miner will even have incentive to put in so many free transactions that transactions without fees won't go through most of the time for months
 541 2011-08-28 13:33:14 <SomeoneWeird> last time i checked
 542 2011-08-28 13:33:25 <SomeoneWeird> yeh
 543 2011-08-28 13:33:43 <sytse> because that'll sweeten the pot for all miners, because more people will start adding fees
 544 2011-08-28 13:34:25 <ryannathans> maybe it's a good thing and i will end up getting more from mining
 545 2011-08-28 13:34:25 <sytse> let's hope it doesn't actually happen
 546 2011-08-28 13:34:28 <ryannathans> xD
 547 2011-08-28 13:34:32 <sytse> lol
 548 2011-08-28 13:34:32 <ryannathans> hopefully
 549 2011-08-28 13:35:03 <SomeoneWeird> unless your a pool its bad for you
 550 2011-08-28 13:35:14 <sytse> yes.
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 552 2011-08-28 13:35:41 <ryannathans> still, what I am saying is that exploit is there and sometime someone will exploit it
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 554 2011-08-28 13:36:28 <SomeoneWeird> ryan run your client with -debug double click on the transaction and see if it has a fee then
 555 2011-08-28 13:37:02 <ryannathans> my balance is still 7.03295329 and after it's still the same
 556 2011-08-28 13:37:05 <ryannathans> i lost nothing in fees
 557 2011-08-28 13:37:51 <SomeoneWeird> heh
 558 2011-08-28 13:38:30 <sytse> if it doesn't warn you about fees
 559 2011-08-28 13:38:40 <sytse> you're not adding a fee
 560 2011-08-28 13:38:59 <ryannathans> ^^
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 563 2011-08-28 13:41:43 <SomeoneWeird> heh
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 570 2011-08-28 13:50:47 <ryannathans> well that was an interesting discussion
 571 2011-08-28 13:50:57 <ryannathans> i'm off to work on my essay that's due shortly xD
 572 2011-08-28 13:51:51 <SomeoneWeird> lo
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 577 2011-08-28 14:02:32 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r83bb42801d4b cgminer/configure.ac: Make pthread, libcurl and libcurses library checks mandatory or fail.
 578 2011-08-28 14:02:33 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r10ed8e9d4171 cgminer/configure.ac: Add a --disable-opencl configure option to make it possible to override detection of opencl and build without GPU mining support.
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 604 2011-08-28 14:32:34 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r5848c11004d1 cgminer/ocl.c: Confusion over the variable name for number of devices was passing a bogus value which likely was causing the zero sized binary issue.
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 618 2011-08-28 14:48:57 <copumpkin> are there any sites out there that track bogus transactions that are spotted on the network?
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 620 2011-08-28 14:50:06 <SomeoneWeird> define bogus
 621 2011-08-28 14:50:22 <tcatm> http://blockexplorer.com/txstats -> latest strange tx
 622 2011-08-28 14:50:29 <copumpkin> yeah, not on there
 623 2011-08-28 14:50:36 <copumpkin> it appeared at first on bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin but never made it into a block
 624 2011-08-28 14:51:04 <tcatm> probably a tx where an input is used twice
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 626 2011-08-28 14:51:23 <tcatm> for some reason bitcoin won't reject those
 627 2011-08-28 14:52:28 <copumpkin> tcatm: you run bitcoincharts? is there a place to see bogus transactions your site has seen?
 628 2011-08-28 14:52:31 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * refa17318223c cgminer/main.c: cgminer no longer supports default url user and pass so remove them.
 629 2011-08-28 14:52:35 <copumpkin> in case he sent his bogus transaction specifically to you
 630 2011-08-28 14:52:40 <copumpkin> and then you purged it from the list?
 631 2011-08-28 14:53:10 <tcatm> I purge the list from time to time but it shows all tx it knows of that aren't included in any block yet
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 633 2011-08-28 14:53:50 <copumpkin> hmm
 634 2011-08-28 14:54:04 <copumpkin> do you have any clue why I might have seen another 20 btc transaction on that list
 635 2011-08-28 14:54:10 <copumpkin> that is no longer on the list but not in any block?
 636 2011-08-28 14:54:49 <tcatm> what's its txid?
 637 2011-08-28 14:55:44 <copumpkin> I don't have that :/ I just saw it on /bitcoin and assumed it was legit, since I'd received some other legit payments from the guy
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 639 2011-08-28 14:55:49 <copumpkin> http://blockexplorer.com/address/176fZqRi68eZteUBp89GcEp37vK2wzVuQo is the destination address
 640 2011-08-28 14:56:35 <copumpkin> there should be two 20-btc txns going into that
 641 2011-08-28 14:57:26 <tcatm> I need the txid to query my database
 642 2011-08-28 14:57:30 <copumpkin> ah :/
 643 2011-08-28 14:58:13 <tcatm> or else I'd have to decode all 1389287 transactions
 644 2011-08-28 14:58:19 <copumpkin> damn :P
 645 2011-08-28 14:58:26 * copumpkin sighs
 646 2011-08-28 15:00:35 <SomeoneWeird> lol
 647 2011-08-28 15:00:46 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, you have the info available for download somewhere
 648 2011-08-28 15:00:51 <phantomcircuit> i'll do it for him...
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 651 2011-08-28 15:05:33 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: the format is a little uncommon (pickled python objects) but I can give you a database dump
 652 2011-08-28 15:06:02 <tcatm> assuming you have a blockchain so you can figure out which transactions are already in blocks and which are not
 653 2011-08-28 15:06:55 <copumpkin> the thing was last night
 654 2011-08-28 15:07:00 <copumpkin> so it wasn't that long ago
 655 2011-08-28 15:07:07 <copumpkin> phantomcircuit: thanks :)
 656 2011-08-28 15:07:23 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, yeah how much data is it
 657 2011-08-28 15:07:47 <copumpkin> I'd be curious to just see the last day of txns and look for ones directed towards that address
 658 2011-08-28 15:07:52 <copumpkin> two of them I already know are in a block
 659 2011-08-28 15:07:59 <copumpkin> one of them I'd just like to get more info on
 660 2011-08-28 15:08:08 <phantomcircuit> oh yeah much smaller since we only need relatively recent ones
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 662 2011-08-28 15:08:25 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/txcache (2.6 GB)
 663 2011-08-28 15:08:31 <copumpkin> lol
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 674 2011-08-28 15:15:10 <copumpkin> tcatm: do you have smaller slices of that?
 675 2011-08-28 15:17:10 <tcatm> sure. I can filter by txid
 676 2011-08-28 15:17:24 <copumpkin> not by time?
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 678 2011-08-28 15:18:35 <tcatm> not reliably
 679 2011-08-28 15:19:24 <tcatm> http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/txcache2
 680 2011-08-28 15:21:15 <copumpkin> is this bson or something?
 681 2011-08-28 15:22:42 <tcatm> pickled python
 682 2011-08-28 15:23:04 <copumpkin> ah
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 684 2011-08-28 15:24:38 <phantomcircuit> i love pickles
 685 2011-08-28 15:24:42 <phantomcircuit> they're so dangerous
 686 2011-08-28 15:24:43 <phantomcircuit> lol
 687 2011-08-28 15:25:05 <SomeoneWeird> 0.o
 688 2011-08-28 15:25:34 <tcatm> oh yes, I've added an evil eval("mail $address < .bitcoin/wallet.dat") somewhere ;)
 689 2011-08-28 15:25:45 <copumpkin> lol
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 692 2011-08-28 15:26:55 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, glad to see you know what im talking about
 693 2011-08-28 15:26:56 <phantomcircuit> lol
 694 2011-08-28 15:32:33 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * ree5b476402fa cgminer/main.c: Don't show value of intensity since it's dynamic by default.
 695 2011-08-28 15:32:35 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r3aee066b88c1 cgminer/main.c: Add options to explicitly enable CPU mining or disable GPU mining.
 696 2011-08-28 15:32:36 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rf0cc29323933 cgminer/main.c: Convert the opt queue into a minimum number of work items to have queued instead of an extra number to decrease risk of getting idle devices without increasing risk of higher rejects.
 697 2011-08-28 15:34:19 <Blitzboom> has there ever been a consecutive difficulty decrease of 2x in bitcoin history so far?
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 699 2011-08-28 15:34:34 <Blitzboom> (because it’s about to happen now)
 700 2011-08-28 15:35:28 <tcatm> Blitzboom: ??
 701 2011-08-28 15:35:43 <Blitzboom> 2 difficulty decreases in a row
 702 2011-08-28 15:36:04 <tcatm> I think that's the first time
 703 2011-08-28 15:36:32 <Blitzboom> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-ever.png
 704 2011-08-28 15:36:50 <Blitzboom> yep, does look like it
 705 2011-08-28 15:37:30 <Eliel> this is also the first time there's been major bad news about bitcoin ever
 706 2011-08-28 15:37:35 <Eliel> or related to bitcoin
 707 2011-08-28 15:37:37 <Blitzboom> lol, no
 708 2011-08-28 15:37:49 <Blitzboom> we’ve had those since mtgox was hacked, which was in june
 709 2011-08-28 15:37:59 <Eliel> that's what I mean :D
 710 2011-08-28 15:39:19 <Eliel> oh, intresting, network hashrate appears to be averaging around 10Th/s right now
 711 2011-08-28 15:41:04 <tcatm> copumpkin, phantomcircuit: did you download all data you need? (so I can rm the files)
 712 2011-08-28 15:42:13 <phantomcircuit> only 51 minutes to go
 713 2011-08-28 15:42:25 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Christopher Head * r51610c01a4b9 gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoind/files/bitcoin.initd: Increase shutdown wait from 10s to 30s.
 714 2011-08-28 15:42:25 <phantomcircuit> one sec ill use a server as an intermediary
 715 2011-08-28 15:42:27 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Florian Schmaus * r3b2943a14de5 gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoind/Manifest: updated bitcoind Manifest because of bitcoin.init.d changes
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 717 2011-08-28 15:45:10 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: no that's fine. just let me know when you've finished
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 726 2011-08-28 16:00:41 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, k done
 727 2011-08-28 16:00:53 <tcatm> ack
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 730 2011-08-28 16:07:17 <copumpkin> phantomcircuit: any luck?
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 732 2011-08-28 16:08:07 <tcatm> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UJx2XXsR you might need that file to unpickle the elements
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 748 2011-08-28 16:27:34 <Eliel> this computer named raspberry pi is looking like it might be excellent candidate for a standalone wallet :)
 749 2011-08-28 16:27:51 <Eliel> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
 750 2011-08-28 16:28:16 <Diablo-D3> I DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT
 751 2011-08-28 16:28:26 <lianj> lol
 752 2011-08-28 16:28:30 <Diablo-D3> IF THEY PORT QUAKE 3 TO ONE MORE GODDAMNED FUCKING PLATFORM, IM GOING TO KILL SOMEONE
 753 2011-08-28 16:28:30 <copumpkin> lol
 754 2011-08-28 16:28:52 <copumpkin> Diablo-D3: I got quake 3 running on an fpga
 755 2011-08-28 16:28:57 <copumpkin> with video output over the serial port
 756 2011-08-28 16:28:59 <lianj> Diablo-D3: porting quake is better than porting android to it
 757 2011-08-28 16:29:25 <lianj> Eliel: neat idea. lets hope the build and ship lots of them :)
 758 2011-08-28 16:29:56 <Eliel> Diablo-D3: please take a look at what it is instead of the quake 3 thing :P
 759 2011-08-28 16:30:06 <tcatm> someone should port quake to run on the bitcoin script engine :)
 760 2011-08-28 16:30:07 <Eliel> the quake 3 is not important
 761 2011-08-28 16:30:22 <mtrlt> no specs?
 762 2011-08-28 16:30:23 <mtrlt> :(
 763 2011-08-28 16:30:48 <Eliel> well, they did mention the main chip model number
 764 2011-08-28 16:31:33 <DaQatz> Eliel, you're following the R-pi too?
 765 2011-08-28 16:31:54 <Eliel> DaQatz: ah, no, I just found out about it. I just might add it to my list of things to keep an eye on :)
 766 2011-08-28 16:32:20 <Eliel> ah, interesting, the main chip is a system on chip thingie with bluetooth integrted as well.
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 768 2011-08-28 16:32:39 <lianj> are they still targeted at 30$?
 769 2011-08-28 16:32:44 <DaQatz> It doesn't come with bluetooth
 770 2011-08-28 16:32:50 <DaQatz> 25
 771 2011-08-28 16:32:57 <DaQatz> 2 models
 772 2011-08-28 16:33:02 <Eliel> $25 it says there
 773 2011-08-28 16:33:18 <DaQatz> Model a $25 128ram 1 usb
 774 2011-08-28 16:33:22 <Eliel> doesn't cost much more than a traditional wallet :P
 775 2011-08-28 16:33:30 <lianj> sweet, lets hope it becomes true
 776 2011-08-28 16:33:32 <DaQatz> Model B $35 256ram ethernet 2 usb
 777 2011-08-28 16:33:52 <lianj> the 25$ has no ethernet? wth
 778 2011-08-28 16:34:03 <DaQatz> Both have sdcard slot and are the size of a credit card.
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 780 2011-08-28 16:36:49 * Eliel is imagining a future display that has hdmi-connector somewhere just to allow easy plug in for this sort of computers :)
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 782 2011-08-28 16:38:40 <DaQatz> Stick one in your TV watch videos from your computer on it.
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 784 2011-08-28 16:40:06 <Eliel> it also has built-in bluetooth so I guess that's how it networks :)
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 786 2011-08-28 16:41:01 <DaQatz> It has no bluetooth
 787 2011-08-28 16:41:20 <Rozz> i dont like hdmi, it have 1090p limits
 788 2011-08-28 16:41:51 <Eliel> huh? that BCM2835 has integrated bluetooth, I looked it up
 789 2011-08-28 16:42:06 <Eliel> http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM2035
 790 2011-08-28 16:42:39 <DaQatz> Recheck those numbers
 791 2011-08-28 16:42:51 <DaQatz> 8 vs 0
 792 2011-08-28 16:43:04 <DaQatz> BCM2835 BCM2035
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 794 2011-08-28 16:45:14 <Eliel> ... interesting that a search with only BCM2835 gave me that page :P
 795 2011-08-28 16:46:06 <Eliel> in fact, that seems to be the only thing the search found...
 796 2011-08-28 16:46:18 <Eliel> broadcom doesn't appear to have published anything of the 2835
 797 2011-08-28 16:46:23 <DaQatz> There is very little info on the used chip
 798 2011-08-28 16:46:44 <DaQatz> Cept that it uses a closed blob.
 799 2011-08-28 16:47:24 <DaQatz> Oddly enough the R-pi uses that chip to boot. Not the arm
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 823 2011-08-28 17:16:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 142940 | Current Difficulty: 1805700.8361937 | Next Difficulty At Block: 143135 | Next Difficulty In: 195 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 8 hours, 36 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1794706.85592655
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 867 2011-08-28 18:04:57 <Diablo-D3> [12:22:36] <Eliel> Diablo-D3: please take a look at what it is instead of the quake 3 thing :P
 868 2011-08-28 18:05:09 <Diablo-D3> dude, I knew what it was before it became slashdotted like over a year ago
 869 2011-08-28 18:05:21 <Diablo-D3> I already evaluated it as a possible cheap hardware unit for other shit
 870 2011-08-28 18:05:24 <Diablo-D3> honestly, its not bad
 871 2011-08-28 18:05:32 <Diablo-D3> its cheaper than buying a gumstick to do the same
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 932 2011-08-28 20:45:49 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 604000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1805700.8361937 , is 0.336445733255 BTC per day and 0.014018572219 BTC per hour.
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 977 2011-08-28 22:21:29 <copumpkin> tcatm: still around?
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 983 2011-08-28 22:37:02 <lfm> ;;seen tcatm
 984 2011-08-28 22:37:03 <gribble> tcatm was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 6 hours, 6 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <tcatm> someone should port quake to run on the bitcoin script engine :)
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 986 2011-08-28 22:38:24 <tcatm> copumpkin: yes
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 988 2011-08-28 22:41:38 <yellowhat> good evening everyone. is this the appropriate channel to ask questions about the mtgox api?
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 990 2011-08-28 22:42:02 <copumpkin> #mtgox is
 991 2011-08-28 22:42:03 <yellowhat> i have tried implementing some basic api calls in java and im still getting "not logged on"
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1000 2011-08-28 22:49:22 <roconnor> @hoogle zipWithM
1001 2011-08-28 22:49:30 <roconnor> oops
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1004 2011-08-28 22:52:30 <yellowhat> i asked in +mtgox but i suspect there will not be an answer, so: i have written a basic implementation of the mtgox api in java but something is still not working ;for some code see: http://pastebin.com/AmMJ14z8; i'm still getting {"error":"Must be logged in"};	i suspect the calculation of the hmac is incorrect but the code looks good to me;can someone give me a sample post-body + secret (a...
1005 2011-08-28 22:52:31 <yellowhat> ...fake one) + the resulting HmacSHA1 in base64 as calculated in php?
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1012 2011-08-28 23:06:20 <b4epoche_> yellowhat:  use the php code MagicalTux posted for verification
1013 2011-08-28 23:06:40 <yellowhat> where did he post that?
1014 2011-08-28 23:06:47 <MagicalTux> the documentation on the wiki
1015 2011-08-28 23:06:52 <MagicalTux> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MtGox/API
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