1 2011-08-31 00:00:32 <IO-> FBI Admits To Engaging In Infiltration, Disruption and Dismantling of Competing Currencies (libertariannews.org)
2 2011-08-31 00:00:41 <IO-> http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/08/30/bitcoin-fbi-admits-to-engaging-in-infiltration-disruption-and-dismantling-of-competing-currencies/
3 2011-08-31 00:04:31 <Diablo-D3> heh, so I wonder how thats working for them.
4 2011-08-31 00:05:02 <IO-> they're probably still trying to figure out is a src port and a dst port are different
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6 2011-08-31 00:11:18 <luke-jr> they're probably behind the MtGox hack a few months ago ;)
7 2011-08-31 00:11:21 <xelister> well as always
8 2011-08-31 00:11:24 <xelister> fuck usafags =)
9 2011-08-31 00:11:30 <luke-jr> maybe the guy who runs bitomat is FBI too
10 2011-08-31 00:11:36 <luke-jr> ran*
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15 2011-08-31 00:12:32 <cjdelisl1> they said doemstic trerorism so many times it made my head hurt
16 2011-08-31 00:14:33 <xelister> luke-jr: maybe
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21 2011-08-31 00:16:17 <cjdelisl1> it's kinda obvious, I mean however they want to justify it to themselves, basicly they're a gang and they're going to look after their own
22 2011-08-31 00:16:35 <IO-> biggest gang on the block
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27 2011-08-31 00:19:05 <cjdelisl1> funny thing is the cia can use it so they are conflicted
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34 2011-08-31 00:37:47 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r811959549866 cgminer/main.c: Fix the bouncing short term value by allowing it to change dynamically when the latest value is very different from the rolling value, but damp the change when it gets close.
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73 2011-08-31 02:07:48 <CIA-101> bitcoin: aldiyen * rbe719b81ac74 Phoenix-Miner-personal/WorkQueue.py: WorkQueue: use RPCClient.maxErrCount, not RPCClient.getMaxErrCount()
74 2011-08-31 02:07:49 <CIA-101> bitcoin: aldiyen * rf90b89e94d03 Phoenix-Miner-personal/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed tracking of work acceptance when retrying after failed communication
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90 2011-08-31 02:44:21 <MobiusL> ;;bc,stats
91 2011-08-31 02:44:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 143272 | Current Difficulty: 1777774.4820015 | Next Difficulty At Block: 145151 | Next Difficulty In: 1879 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 6 hours, 53 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1902503.54817275
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106 2011-08-31 02:58:06 <vsrinivas> eep, that's a solid difficulty increase.
107 2011-08-31 03:00:08 <luke-jr> except that it isn't solid :p
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115 2011-08-31 03:12:48 <CIA-101> bitcoin: aldiyen * r32dfb6c8920d Phoenix-Miner-personal/ (Miner.py WorkQueue.py minerutil/RPCProtocol.py phoenix.py):
116 2011-08-31 03:12:48 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Don't report communication errors or exceptions while parsing work submission
117 2011-08-31 03:12:48 <CIA-101> bitcoin: responses as rejects; clear work queue if current work is rejected or if there's
118 2011-08-31 03:12:48 <CIA-101> bitcoin: a network error; retry failed works up to 10 times by default; use callbacks to
119 2011-08-31 03:12:48 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Miner to log, rather than referencing the logger directly
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127 2011-08-31 03:32:47 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * ra593afdbeba1 cgminer/ (main.c miner.h util.c): Use the curses_lock to protect the curses_active variable and test it under lock.
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163 2011-08-31 04:55:44 <copumpkin> anyone have unscrubbed logs (with IPs still in them) of this channel?
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165 2011-08-31 04:56:11 <copumpkin> the logs in the topic scrub all the identifying information from hosts
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169 2011-08-31 05:01:09 <luke-jr> copumpkin: I do.
170 2011-08-31 05:01:34 <copumpkin> nanotube is already getting me the info I needed, thanks :)
171 2011-08-31 05:01:50 <luke-jr> k
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195 2011-08-31 06:12:46 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r5aca762a97bd cgminer/main.c: Go back to requesting work 2/3 of the way through the current scantime with CPU mining as reports of mining threads running out of work have occurred with only 5 seconds to retrieve work.
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199 2011-08-31 06:28:59 <luke-jr> â¦
200 2011-08-31 06:29:34 <TuxBlackEdo> sup luke-jr
201 2011-08-31 06:29:43 <luke-jr> [02:05:12] <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r5aca762a97bd cgminer/main.c: Go back to requesting work 2/3 of the way through the current scantime with CPU mining as reports of mining threads running out of work have occurred with only 5 seconds to retrieve work.
202 2011-08-31 06:29:46 <luke-jr> ^ this comment sounds stupid
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240 2011-08-31 07:54:34 <TuxBlackEdo> * TuxBlackEdo has kicked Diablo-D3 from #eligius (Diablo-D3)
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263 2011-08-31 08:40:29 <d33tah> anyone here familiar with vanitygen?
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324 2011-08-31 11:49:21 <piuk> When a new block is found how is it advertised to the network?
325 2011-08-31 11:49:48 <piuk> e.g. which message from https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification?
326 2011-08-31 11:52:02 <SomeoneWeird> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification?#Block_Headers
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331 2011-08-31 11:55:19 <piuk> so the client has to poll get headers first?
332 2011-08-31 11:56:56 <SomeoneWeird> no idea
333 2011-08-31 11:56:58 <SomeoneWeird> :)
334 2011-08-31 11:57:19 <piuk> ok ty :)
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399 2011-08-31 14:58:23 <jgarzik> luke-jr: got the patches going locally. just need to push them out.
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428 2011-08-31 15:54:00 <gavinandresen> Anybody up for helping me figure out if I'll massively break things if I change CWalletTx::GetTxTime() ?
429 2011-08-31 15:54:49 <imsaguy2> sure, watch do you need?
430 2011-08-31 15:54:52 <imsaguy2> what*
431 2011-08-31 15:55:35 <gavinandresen> I really want to remove the CRITICAL_BLOCK(cs_main) from that method... so I'm thinking of making it always just return nTimeReceived
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436 2011-08-31 15:59:38 <imsaguy2> sorry gavinandresen, I don't know it that well.
437 2011-08-31 15:59:53 <gavinandresen> ok
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440 2011-08-31 16:04:00 <ThomasV> when I run bitcoind it often becomes unresponsive ; deadlocks ?
441 2011-08-31 16:04:10 <gavinandresen> yes
442 2011-08-31 16:04:20 <ThomasV> is that a known issue ?
443 2011-08-31 16:04:33 <ThomasV> is there a fix somewhere ?
444 2011-08-31 16:04:35 <gavinandresen> yes, I've been working on them for a while....
445 2011-08-31 16:04:38 <BlueMatt> yes; no
446 2011-08-31 16:05:25 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: the gui does not seem to have that problem, but I rarely leave it running for hours
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448 2011-08-31 16:07:29 <ThomasV> btw, I see that there is a python bitcoin library ; has somebody bothered to write a gui using it ?
449 2011-08-31 16:08:04 <BlueMatt> iirc that lib isnt too complete...
450 2011-08-31 16:08:13 <luke-jr> ThomasV: you mean wallet?
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453 2011-08-31 16:10:48 <ThomasV> luke-jr: no, I mean gui
454 2011-08-31 16:11:00 <luke-jr> ThomasV: Spesmilo isn't very new
455 2011-08-31 16:11:49 <ThomasV> oh that is what I was looking for
456 2011-08-31 16:12:58 <luke-jr> ThomasV: it has some blocking issues when the bitcoind is remote though, I think
457 2011-08-31 16:13:03 <luke-jr> need to look into that somedayâ¦
458 2011-08-31 16:14:12 <ThomasV> hmm, how about if I use connect_to_remote on a local machine ? I need to call remote because my atadir is not in my homedir
459 2011-08-31 16:15:49 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: what is the status of the test harness? afaict its in the shell of what it will be mode?
460 2011-08-31 16:16:46 <gavinandresen> I'll send you an email I've sent a couple of other people who said they were interested in working on it.
461 2011-08-31 16:17:34 <BlueMatt> well Im interested in using it, but that works...
462 2011-08-31 16:18:16 <BlueMatt> thanks
463 2011-08-31 16:18:55 <luke-jr> ThomasV: no idea what "connect_to_remote" is
464 2011-08-31 16:19:35 <luke-jr> ThomasV: the problem is network latency blocking GUI
465 2011-08-31 16:19:54 <ThomasV> luke-jr: yes, I just realize that your gui is not using that bitcoinrpc library
466 2011-08-31 16:20:06 <luke-jr> ThomasV: it is, if that's what you have installed
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468 2011-08-31 16:20:54 <ThomasV> no...
469 2011-08-31 16:21:24 <luke-jr> bitcoinrpc is API-compatible with python-jsonrpc
470 2011-08-31 16:21:35 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: let's go ahead and release 0.4-rc1
471 2011-08-31 16:21:47 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: oh fix the deadlocks first
472 2011-08-31 16:21:47 <ThomasV> luke-jr: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin-python
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474 2011-08-31 16:21:56 * luke-jr wonders why it's being bumped to 0.4 when there's no significant changes :p
475 2011-08-31 16:22:03 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: that's what the bug fix-only cycle is for
476 2011-08-31 16:22:20 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: -rc release means "we've stopped taking new features; only take bug fixes"
477 2011-08-31 16:22:31 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: _that_ has been true de facto for a while
478 2011-08-31 16:22:32 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: mmm....well...
479 2011-08-31 16:22:36 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I'm debugging GUI deadlocks now, hope to commit fixes before end of the day
480 2011-08-31 16:22:44 <luke-jr> ThomasV: oh, nope, never heard of that one
481 2011-08-31 16:22:48 <luke-jr> ThomasV: it looks broken by design
482 2011-08-31 16:22:55 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: can I get 464 pulled first?
483 2011-08-31 16:23:07 * BlueMatt is going to lunch, be back on when I get there
484 2011-08-31 16:23:10 <jgarzik> IMNSHO we can all agree that we've stopped taking new features, and are focusing on bug fixes, right?
485 2011-08-31 16:23:10 <luke-jr> jgarzik: -beta means that
486 2011-08-31 16:23:20 <luke-jr> jgarzik: -rc means "all obvious bugs fixed, we think it's good to go"
487 2011-08-31 16:23:21 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: pretty much
488 2011-08-31 16:23:27 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: not in kernel-land
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490 2011-08-31 16:23:31 <jgarzik> luke-jr: not in kernel land
491 2011-08-31 16:23:33 <jgarzik> heh
492 2011-08-31 16:24:05 <gavinandresen> I'd rather not tell people to start testing before the deadlock changes are in.
493 2011-08-31 16:24:09 <luke-jr> well, Linus just recently fixed the other non-standard versioning thing; maybe using betas is next
494 2011-08-31 16:24:16 <gavinandresen> (I've changed a fair bit of code)
495 2011-08-31 16:24:36 <luke-jr> in any case, I don't see why Linux versioning has any influence on Bitcoin clients
496 2011-08-31 16:24:36 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r8af99d1 / (14 files in 4 dirs):
497 2011-08-31 16:24:36 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Merge pull request #464 from TheBlueMatt/upnp1.6
498 2011-08-31 16:24:36 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Upgrade dependancies and tweak build process. - http://git.io/BgCgAQ
499 2011-08-31 16:24:53 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: ok
500 2011-08-31 16:25:02 <jgarzik> BlueMattBot: sure... contrib/* changes are easy
501 2011-08-31 16:25:02 <BlueMattBot> jgarzik did you mean me? Unknown command 'sure...'
502 2011-08-31 16:25:02 <BlueMattBot> Use 'BlueMattBot: DONT SPAM the Chan help' to get help!
503 2011-08-31 16:25:11 <jgarzik> BlueMattBot: no, I did not mean you
504 2011-08-31 16:25:11 <BlueMattBot> jgarzik did you mean me? Unknown command 'no,'
505 2011-08-31 16:25:12 <BlueMattBot> Use 'BlueMattBot: DONT SPAM the Chan help' to get help!
506 2011-08-31 16:25:44 * luke-jr notes that his bugfixes and crap still aren't merged either
507 2011-08-31 16:25:54 <luke-jr> not that I mind solo miners duplicating workâ¦
508 2011-08-31 16:26:34 <luke-jr> jgarzik: btw, you realize the 2 patches I meant yesterday are regarding pushpool, right?
509 2011-08-31 16:27:53 <CIA-101> bitcoin: aldiyen * rf16d460d3e16 Phoenix-Miner-personal/ (Miner.py WorkQueue.py minerutil/RPCProtocol.py): Changed submit error handling to make the software finish the current work's noncerange, but still discard the queue (some possibly invalid work during a network outage is better than no work)
510 2011-08-31 16:28:10 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yes
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512 2011-08-31 16:28:27 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I have some local tests I run on pushpool, before pushing out merged changes
513 2011-08-31 16:28:43 <luke-jr> i c
514 2011-08-31 16:29:18 <ThomasV> luke-jr: why ?
515 2011-08-31 16:29:35 <luke-jr> ThomasV: ?
516 2011-08-31 16:30:01 <ThomasV> <luke-jr> ThomasV: it looks broken by design
517 2011-08-31 16:30:20 <luke-jr> ThomasV: because it uses float BTC instead of integer Satoshi like any sane API should
518 2011-08-31 16:31:14 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * rce39dfe / locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po :
519 2011-08-31 16:31:14 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Merge pull request #475 from ovdeathiam/patch-1
520 2011-08-31 16:31:14 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Edited locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po via GitHub - http://git.io/KT8NOA
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524 2011-08-31 16:36:41 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r927aaa0 / (3 files): Add reference python miner, in contrib/pyminer/ - http://git.io/P4XMQw
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528 2011-08-31 16:39:53 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, whens the last time you took a look at python-jsonrpc
529 2011-08-31 16:40:00 <phantomcircuit> python-bitcoinrpc
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531 2011-08-31 16:40:22 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r21189a4 / (doc/README src/rpc.cpp):
532 2011-08-31 16:40:22 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Merge pull request #463 from TheBlueMatt/encreadme
533 2011-08-31 16:40:22 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Encryption readme update and minor rpc.cpp fixes - http://git.io/Wy6_1Q
534 2011-08-31 16:40:44 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: a while ago
535 2011-08-31 16:40:54 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: any bugaboos lurking?
536 2011-08-31 16:41:11 <phantomcircuit> not that i've seen
537 2011-08-31 16:41:13 <phantomcircuit> just wondering
538 2011-08-31 16:41:40 <luke-jr> jgarzik: sometimes it seems HTTPS doesn't work right, but I couldn't see a problem with the latest code, so I haven't reported it yet
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544 2011-08-31 16:50:03 <luke-jr> git://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jr-bitcoin.git base58_liberal_parsing bugfix_getwork_newblk_race rpc_keepalive gitignore getwork_dedupe minfee_modes
545 2011-08-31 16:50:11 <BlueMatt> thanks jgarzik
546 2011-08-31 16:50:12 <luke-jr> various branches to probably merge
547 2011-08-31 16:51:22 <Mad7Scientist> WIll debug.log ever stop growing?
548 2011-08-31 16:51:26 <Mad7Scientist> It is over 200MB now
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550 2011-08-31 16:51:43 <mtrlt> it won't.
551 2011-08-31 16:51:45 <Mad7Scientist> If I leave bitcoin running for too long it will be bigger than the bitcoin database itself
552 2011-08-31 16:51:55 <BlueMatt> who is Alex Waters
553 2011-08-31 16:52:19 <Mad7Scientist> I guess I have to shut down bitcoin to delete the file
554 2011-08-31 16:52:19 <phantomcircuit> Mad7Scientist, there's a bug that it'll only grow to 2 GB
555 2011-08-31 16:52:25 <Mad7Scientist> lol
556 2011-08-31 16:52:26 <phantomcircuit> on 32 bit systems only though
557 2011-08-31 16:52:29 <mtrlt> lol
558 2011-08-31 16:52:47 <Mad7Scientist> when I restart bitcoin does it start over?
559 2011-08-31 16:53:04 <luke-jr> Mad7Scientist: if it's sufficiently large, it shoudl
560 2011-08-31 16:53:05 <Mad7Scientist> I would have thought the bug would be 4GB
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562 2011-08-31 16:53:51 <luke-jr> Mad7Scientist: signed.
563 2011-08-31 16:54:03 <Mad7Scientist> bitcoin 11835 rep 6w REG 8,7 276623109 1324676 /home/rep/.bitcoin/debug.log
564 2011-08-31 16:54:37 <Mad7Scientist> COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
565 2011-08-31 16:55:03 <Mad7Scientist> If I delete the file it will go to /lost+found won't it
566 2011-08-31 16:55:10 <gavinandresen> deadlock fixes are done for now: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/480
567 2011-08-31 16:55:15 <phantomcircuit> personally id just create a named pipe
568 2011-08-31 16:55:20 <gavinandresen> (I'll rebase when jgarzik is done pulling stuff)
569 2011-08-31 16:55:25 <Mad7Scientist> or disappear until bitcoin closes the file
570 2011-08-31 16:55:42 <Mad7Scientist> How do I create a named pipe?
571 2011-08-31 16:55:45 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: wow that is alot of change
572 2011-08-31 16:56:00 <phantomcircuit> stuff doesn't go to /lost+found unless you kill the system
573 2011-08-31 16:56:26 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: looks like a lot is renaming variables
574 2011-08-31 16:56:27 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: yup. Doesn't look as bad if you git diff --ignore-whitespace-change
575 2011-08-31 16:56:37 <Mad7Scientist> what are the 4 kinds of files again? normal, device, fifo and socket right?
576 2011-08-31 16:57:11 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: true...
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578 2011-08-31 16:58:38 <phantomcircuit> downloading the block chain on this rackspace server is damn fast
579 2011-08-31 16:58:43 <phantomcircuit> <3 SAN
580 2011-08-31 16:58:51 * BlueMatt prefers tmpfs
581 2011-08-31 16:58:55 <Mad7Scientist> the whole thing probably fits in the cache
582 2011-08-31 16:58:56 <phantomcircuit> lol
583 2011-08-31 16:59:24 <phantomcircuit> this is basically waht you get when you completely ignore fsync
584 2011-08-31 17:00:19 <phantomcircuit> i removed the foreign key constraints from a postgresql schema for intersango-v2 and saw a 20x speed up
585 2011-08-31 17:00:20 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: done for the day
586 2011-08-31 17:00:22 <phantomcircuit> i was like
587 2011-08-31 17:00:23 <phantomcircuit> :(
588 2011-08-31 17:00:27 <luke-jr> technically, Linux goes overboard for fsync
589 2011-08-31 17:00:35 <luke-jr> it's NOT supposed to wait for it to be on the disk
590 2011-08-31 17:00:44 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: and I tried to avoid touching any code for the most part, since it sounded like you were touching a lot of areas of code
591 2011-08-31 17:00:55 <jgarzik> mostly maintenance pulls
592 2011-08-31 17:00:58 <luke-jr> jgarzik: you forgot to merge my still
593 2011-08-31 17:01:00 <luke-jr> stuff*
594 2011-08-31 17:01:05 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, what's it supposed to do?
595 2011-08-31 17:01:33 <jgarzik> luke-jr: no, Mr. Impatience, I already told you that I run local pushpool tests. They take many hours to complete, because I'm CPU mining...
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597 2011-08-31 17:01:53 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I don't push until those tests complete
598 2011-08-31 17:02:05 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I meant the bitcoind fixes that time
599 2011-08-31 17:02:08 <BlueMatt> wow you actually test code, what is this foreign idea?
600 2011-08-31 17:02:23 <Mad7Scientist> Are there any test networks or alternate networks where you can CPU mine and expect to win frequently even if the coins aren't worth anythinG?
601 2011-08-31 17:02:35 <BlueMatt> testnet in a box
602 2011-08-31 17:03:03 <BlueMatt> now to go (finally) fix the blockchain and nightly build uploaders...
603 2011-08-31 17:03:07 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, didn't notice your comment, adding that is trivial https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/421
604 2011-08-31 17:04:08 <luke-jr> jgarzik: but on pushpool-- could you push the new tree to another branch-name or something perhaps, so I can begin working on my new code on top of it? :P
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609 2011-08-31 17:10:03 <Mad7Scientist> Is it easy to set up a simple mining pool yourself?
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611 2011-08-31 17:10:54 <luke-jr> Mad7Scientist: no need to setup a pool
612 2011-08-31 17:11:06 <luke-jr> Mad7Scientist: just run a new testnet client pair without any outside connecitivity
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628 2011-08-31 17:32:25 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rb0243da / src/util.cpp : Highlight mis-matching locks - http://git.io/KaMKuQ
629 2011-08-31 17:32:26 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r6cc4a62 / (9 files):
630 2011-08-31 17:32:26 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Fix rpc-hanging deadlocks
631 2011-08-31 17:32:26 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Collapsed multiple wallet mutexes to a single cs_wallet, to avoid deadlocks with wallet methods that acquired locks in different order.
632 2011-08-31 17:32:26 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Also change master RPC call handler to acquire cs_main and cs_wallet locks
633 2011-08-31 17:32:27 <CIA-101> bitcoin: before executing RPC calls; requiring each RPC call to acquire the right set of
634 2011-08-31 17:32:27 <CIA-101> bitcoin: locks in the right order was too error-prone. - http://git.io/V3qWwg
635 2011-08-31 17:32:28 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r471426f / (doc/coding.txt src/ui.cpp src/wallet.cpp):
636 2011-08-31 17:32:28 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Fixed potential deadlocks in GUI code.
637 2011-08-31 17:32:29 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Also changed semantics of CWalletTx::GetTxTime(); now always returns the time the transaction was received by this node, not the average block time.
638 2011-08-31 17:32:29 <CIA-101> bitcoin: And added information about -DDEBUG_LOCKORDER to coding.txt. - http://git.io/pIiElQ
639 2011-08-31 17:32:30 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rcb6c4b8 / (11 files in 2 dirs):
640 2011-08-31 17:32:30 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Merge pull request #480 from gavinandresen/deadlocks
641 2011-08-31 17:32:31 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Simplify mutex locking, fix deadlocks. Fixes issue #453 - http://git.io/Ep5DSg
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644 2011-08-31 17:33:25 <upb> wow
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646 2011-08-31 17:35:29 <ThomasV> pulling
647 2011-08-31 17:35:56 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r541e585 / doc/README : Fix typo ("you own security") - http://git.io/toE6mQ
648 2011-08-31 17:36:04 <BlueMatt> sorry
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651 2011-08-31 17:42:01 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, nice fox
652 2011-08-31 17:42:19 <gavinandresen> fox?
653 2011-08-31 17:42:24 <phantomcircuit> was a joke
654 2011-08-31 17:42:25 <phantomcircuit> lulz
655 2011-08-31 17:42:51 <gavinandresen> you kids these days....
656 2011-08-31 17:43:04 <phantomcircuit> kids im practically a teenager!
657 2011-08-31 17:43:06 <gavinandresen> kidz theze daze?
658 2011-08-31 17:43:08 <phantomcircuit> wait
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660 2011-08-31 17:43:41 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: are you sure its safe to not have an account lock (or a lock which is used when account stuff is being done)
661 2011-08-31 17:44:19 <ThomasV> no deadlock so far (compiled and been running for 5 minutes :-)
662 2011-08-31 17:44:27 <gavinandresen> everything that mucks with accounts should grab the wallet mutex. Did I screw that up somewhere?
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664 2011-08-31 17:44:51 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: oh, but it grabs the lock outside of wallet...sorry
665 2011-08-31 17:45:05 <gavinandresen> yup. Making wallet self-contained is a job for another day
666 2011-08-31 17:45:06 <BlueMatt> would it not be safer to also grab the lock in the actual wallet function
667 2011-08-31 17:45:14 <BlueMatt> ah ok
668 2011-08-31 17:45:49 <BlueMatt> ok, nightly builds and jenkins running right again, now I just have to do nightly blockchains
669 2011-08-31 17:45:51 <gavinandresen> (ideally, it would be like keystore, and have a nice clean API so you could use it without worrying about locking)
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671 2011-08-31 17:46:31 <pakis> hello
672 2011-08-31 17:46:52 <tcatm> gavinandresen: did you get my email about bitcoin.org?
673 2011-08-31 17:47:13 <gavinandresen> tcatm: yep, sorry I didn't respond, it's just not high on my priority list
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675 2011-08-31 17:48:25 <pakis> i still dnt have power in my house
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677 2011-08-31 17:48:44 <tcatm> gavinandresen: who should decide whether to make such changes?
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679 2011-08-31 17:49:06 <gavinandresen> Not it!
680 2011-08-31 17:49:46 <tcatm> BlueMatt: I'm having a little trouble with memory consumption on my server. what software do you use to run the dnsseed?
681 2011-08-31 17:49:50 * BlueMatt thinks gavin should do it (it being just about everything...)
682 2011-08-31 17:50:07 <BlueMatt> tcatm: its php, I can probably drop mem usage a bit...one sec
683 2011-08-31 17:50:33 <gavinandresen> tcatm has a nice new design for bitcoin.org. At least, I think it is nice, but I've got no design sense.
684 2011-08-31 17:50:57 <ThomasV> can we get a glimpe ?
685 2011-08-31 17:50:59 datagutt has joined
686 2011-08-31 17:51:04 <ThomasV> *glimpse
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688 2011-08-31 17:52:33 <tcatm> gavinandresen: if no one volunteers I'd offer to manage the website, add content and translations
689 2011-08-31 17:53:15 <gavinandresen> I think jgarzik touched the website last. It'd be nice if it was put under source control....
690 2011-08-31 17:53:24 <BlueMatt> you can do it on github...
691 2011-08-31 17:53:52 <tcatm> gavinandresen: yes, that's what I have in mind. have a git repo and a makefile that takes a version number (like 0.3.24) and maybe other variables and produces a static website
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693 2011-08-31 17:54:05 <BlueMatt> you could just host it on github?
694 2011-08-31 17:54:17 <tcatm> yep we could use github pages
695 2011-08-31 17:54:18 <gavinandresen> Great! what do you need to make that happen?
696 2011-08-31 17:54:38 * BlueMatt nominates tcatm seeing as he has done it before
697 2011-08-31 17:54:49 <tcatm> gavinandresen: ftp/sftp/scp/whatever access to bitcoin.org so I can upload files
698 2011-08-31 17:55:03 <gavinandresen> bitcoin.org is a sourceforge static page
699 2011-08-31 17:55:08 <BlueMatt> http://tcatm.github.com/bitcoin-js-remote/
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701 2011-08-31 17:55:49 <gavinandresen> ... talk with jgarzik about how it works exactly (I can't recall)
702 2011-08-31 17:56:25 <Incitatus> hey magicaltux, we got conflicting information about your merchant API service. We got an email on the 22nd saying it would be up in a week and you told me it wouldn't be up but that we can use account to account transfers
703 2011-08-31 17:56:31 <BlueMatt> you can forward the dns to github pretty simply afaict
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706 2011-08-31 17:56:54 <Incitatus> magicaltux, if it's going to be up soon we will wait and not spend time on doing code for a reference system
707 2011-08-31 17:57:21 <ThomasV> thairentboi: does your nick have a meaning ?
708 2011-08-31 17:58:45 <BlueMatt> (iirc bitcoin.org dns forwards to sourceforge, assuming its done the same way as other projects)
709 2011-08-31 17:58:57 <BlueMatt> so you could just move to github...
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711 2011-08-31 18:00:07 <thairentboi> ha ... only LOVE
712 2011-08-31 18:00:39 <jarpiain> Incitatus: might have better luck asking at #mtgox
713 2011-08-31 18:00:52 <jarpiain> Incitatus: but it's 3 AM in tokyo now
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719 2011-08-31 18:08:27 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * re3c26b2 / (src/keystore.cpp src/keystore.h): SetCrypted() obtains keystore lock, to be safe. - http://git.io/WtwRCQ
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725 2011-08-31 18:15:43 <pakis> its 2pm in ny
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762 2011-08-31 19:16:23 <kinlo> does the bitcoinclient store *all* blocks, including orphans?
763 2011-08-31 19:16:36 <kinlo> are orphans distributed trough the network?
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765 2011-08-31 19:18:51 <gmaxwell> kinlo: they aren't distributed once they're orphaned.
766 2011-08-31 19:18:58 <gmaxwell> But if you've heard of one you'll remember it
767 2011-08-31 19:19:01 <BlueMatt> but they are still stored (once youve gotten them)
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769 2011-08-31 19:19:11 <gmaxwell> (because the software doesn't delete from the mmaped file)
770 2011-08-31 19:19:15 <kinlo> well
771 2011-08-31 19:19:24 <kinlo> I've started a new client with empty blockchain
772 2011-08-31 19:19:33 <kinlo> and the debug.log is full with blocks being orphanned
773 2011-08-31 19:19:53 <gmaxwell> that sounds ... odd.
774 2011-08-31 19:19:54 <kinlo> so that looks to me like he downloaded blocks and marked them orphan due to the fact that there is a longer chain
775 2011-08-31 19:20:14 <gmaxwell> Someone attacking (stupidly) perhaps?
776 2011-08-31 19:20:16 <kinlo> it does sound odd
777 2011-08-31 19:20:24 <kinlo> so that's why I mention it
778 2011-08-31 19:20:58 <BlueMatt> the client often downloads orphan blocks != blocks in an orphan chain
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780 2011-08-31 19:21:17 <BlueMatt> during download, the client ends up getting orphaned blocks all over the place, or so Ive seen
781 2011-08-31 19:21:30 <kinlo> grep -c "ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK" .bitcoin/debug.log
782 2011-08-31 19:21:30 <kinlo> 7238
783 2011-08-31 19:21:47 <kinlo> new client, it's still downloading initial set of blocks
784 2011-08-31 19:22:14 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: I don't know how it could, when it does the request the neighbor shouldn't push any blocks that aren't on the best path.
785 2011-08-31 19:22:16 <kinlo> or am I misinterpreting debug log?
786 2011-08-31 19:22:50 <gmaxwell> duhhh
787 2011-08-31 19:22:59 <gmaxwell> yea it's new blocks which aren't yet connected to the chain perhaps?
788 2011-08-31 19:23:04 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: I never bothered to look, I just know when I was doing some hacking it gets blocks that are on the best path, but missing a block or two
789 2011-08-31 19:23:30 <gmaxwell> I'm not sure how that happens, but it's not unreasonable.
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791 2011-08-31 19:23:46 <BlueMatt> it happens quite a bit...but as I said I never bothered to look
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793 2011-08-31 19:24:18 <gmaxwell> kinlo: e.g. it (somehow) gets 1,2,3,4,5 8,9,10 ... all are on the best path but 8+ are orphan until it has the missing blocks to connect them to the best contigious path.
794 2011-08-31 19:24:41 <kinlo> oh, so out of order blocks
795 2011-08-31 19:24:52 <kinlo> that could make sense
796 2011-08-31 19:26:11 <kinlo> too bad, it would be usefull to investigate orphan blocks for research reasons
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798 2011-08-31 19:27:01 <gmaxwell> kinlo: collect them from longstanding nodes.
799 2011-08-31 19:27:16 <gmaxwell> There isn't anything private in the block data... people should be willing to share it.
800 2011-08-31 19:27:18 <kinlo> ah, they are still available in the network? :)
801 2011-08-31 19:27:24 <kinlo> cool
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803 2011-08-31 19:27:38 <kinlo> well, don't have any research project going on for now, but it's cool to know I can get them
804 2011-08-31 19:27:42 <gmaxwell> well, you can fetch them IIRC, but you'd need to know about them.
805 2011-08-31 19:27:56 <gmaxwell> But you can just ask people for their whole block data file.
806 2011-08-31 19:28:05 <kinlo> rather large file
807 2011-08-31 19:28:34 <kinlo> but doesn't matter, should be usefull for someone with too much time willing to write some kind of "orphan" explorer
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809 2011-08-31 19:28:43 <gmaxwell> xz will get you a good 30% compression iirc. :)
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811 2011-08-31 19:29:06 <kinlo> but I do think it would be cool to have a look at those transactions that are doublespend in the orphan blocks vs the real chain
812 2011-08-31 19:29:19 <gmaxwell> If there are any.
813 2011-08-31 19:29:31 <kinlo> well, the mybitcoin case should be visible that way
814 2011-08-31 19:29:46 <gmaxwell> People have looked.
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816 2011-08-31 19:30:04 <kinlo> nothing found?
817 2011-08-31 19:30:05 <gmaxwell> They were vague enough that you can't say they lied if no such block ever existed.
818 2011-08-31 19:30:08 <gmaxwell> Right.
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820 2011-08-31 19:30:39 <kinlo> would help if the mybitcoin people showed their blk001.dat then
821 2011-08-31 19:30:45 <gmaxwell> Yup.
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823 2011-08-31 19:31:11 <gmaxwell> and it would be moderately computationally hard for them to forge that orphan.
824 2011-08-31 19:31:50 <kinlo> well, they should have done it immediatly, it's relatively easy to create such a block if you have weeks time
825 2011-08-31 19:32:47 <gmaxwell> it's not just the block, you need the candidate txn which you control the keys for
826 2011-08-31 19:33:03 <gmaxwell> and if you use one of your own txn you take the risk that people sluth it out and track it back to you.
827 2011-08-31 19:33:40 <kinlo> true
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829 2011-08-31 19:34:03 <gmaxwell> e.g. "this 1000btc" was the ripoff. and them mtgox says "oh really? _that_ was a transfer out to your own account at mtgox mr mybitcoin."
830 2011-08-31 19:34:25 <kinlo> who's behind mybitcoin?
831 2011-08-31 19:34:31 <BlueMatt> no one knows...
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834 2011-08-31 19:35:33 <laetus> bruce wagner just joined #bitcoin O.o......
835 2011-08-31 19:35:53 <asoltys> hi, just tried bitcoin yesterday. the initial block chain download was a real put-off. i read that a "bitcoin lite" client is being worked on that won't require you to download the entire chain. can someone point me to more info on that?
836 2011-08-31 19:36:20 <laetus> 21:27:07 -!- bruce_wagner [~brucewagn@p3208-ipngn2301marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin
837 2011-08-31 19:36:24 <BlueMatt> its not really in a remotely usable state right now...
838 2011-08-31 19:36:37 <laetus> anyone know if this is a VPN or proxy in japan?
839 2011-08-31 19:37:09 <BlueMatt> asoltys: not even sure if its written down yet...bitcoinj implements it, but no desktop client afaik
840 2011-08-31 19:37:39 <asoltys> BlueMatt: ok, thanks
841 2011-08-31 19:37:48 <kinlo> the idea about creating some kind of "aggregate block" should help a lot too - afaik it was described in the paper
842 2011-08-31 19:38:09 <BlueMatt> asoltys: you could google a bit to see if there is a bitcoinj desktop client, but other than that, feel free to ask :)
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850 2011-08-31 19:41:49 <iddo> bitcoinj client will store headers of all blocks since genesis block? or it's ok to trust more recent blocks and trim the older blocks?
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852 2011-08-31 19:42:13 <tcatm> BlueMatt: do you know whether anyone else than gavin could create the bitcoin.github.com repo?
853 2011-08-31 19:43:36 <iddo> i think in Satoshi's article it's assumed that in simple verification mode all headers since genesis block are kept?
854 2011-08-31 19:43:58 <BlueMatt> tcatm: if you cant, Id assume only gavin can, but you could ask sipa, jgarzik (though they are also both not here atm...)
855 2011-08-31 19:44:05 richardwagner is now known as copumpkin
856 2011-08-31 19:44:29 <laetus> I'm not a fan of bruce wagner.. but I must admit that he has some balls. no pun intended
857 2011-08-31 19:45:47 <iddo> laetus: why people don't like him?
858 2011-08-31 19:46:13 noagendamarket is now known as bruceagenda
859 2011-08-31 19:46:18 <BlueMatt> some bs accusations about child relations
860 2011-08-31 19:46:27 <b4epoche> http://buttcoin.org/has-bruce-wagner-pulled-off-the-financial-biggest-scam-on-the-bitcoin-community
861 2011-08-31 19:46:28 <BlueMatt> none of it even really realistic
862 2011-08-31 19:46:56 <laetus> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/jztwc/know_you_btc_shills_bruce_wagner/
863 2011-08-31 19:47:02 <iddo> but if the accusations are false, what is the real reason that they don't like him?
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865 2011-08-31 19:47:16 <b4epoche> ( )( )
866 2011-08-31 19:47:20 <b4epoche> \|\
867 2011-08-31 19:47:44 bruceagenda is now known as I_am_not_an_anim
868 2011-08-31 19:47:46 <laetus> the child porn allegations are kind of iffy
869 2011-08-31 19:48:03 <laetus> but looking at some of his posting history.. it's not super clean
870 2011-08-31 19:48:34 * BlueMatt has no clue, but afaik none of it is proven
871 2011-08-31 19:48:38 <laetus> but for some reason I never really liked him, even before this shitstorm happened
872 2011-08-31 19:48:45 I_am_not_an_anim is now known as ballbagner
873 2011-08-31 19:48:55 <laetus> well... his posts on his own blog are curious to say the least
874 2011-08-31 19:49:13 <laetus> I wouldn't say he is guilty of having sex with underage children though
875 2011-08-31 19:49:14 <b4epoche> the mortgage stuff is proven
876 2011-08-31 19:49:19 <laetus> yes that is true
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878 2011-08-31 19:49:35 <b4epoche> and his explanation seems feasible until you read the court documents
879 2011-08-31 19:49:51 <laetus> also.. some sites that offer escort guys.. has the same telephone number as the one on onlyonetv
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882 2011-08-31 19:51:15 <b4epoche> anyway, he seems pretty shady
883 2011-08-31 19:51:23 <BlueMatt> meh, whatever
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885 2011-08-31 19:51:55 <laetus> which is weird.. because con artists benefit the most from not looking shady at all
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887 2011-08-31 19:52:31 <tcatm> bitcoin.org website repo created and gavin emailed :)
888 2011-08-31 19:52:45 <BlueMatt> where?
889 2011-08-31 19:52:51 <BlueMatt> also, shit: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/59ed5cb398f3817cebd8f5c6aeba3424de2acefe#commitcomment-562434
890 2011-08-31 19:53:04 <tcatm> https://github.com/tcatm/bitcoin.org
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892 2011-08-31 19:53:30 <b4epoche> He doesn't seem to be the kind of fellow you really want being a 'face' of bitcoin...
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894 2011-08-31 19:54:00 <tcatm> once gavin creates a bitcoin/bitcoin.github.com repo I'll merge it there and github will automatically run the scripts
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896 2011-08-31 19:54:07 <laetus> he kind of already was .... how to handle this in a controlled way?
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898 2011-08-31 19:54:27 <bighairyballs> hey
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901 2011-08-31 19:55:45 <wagnerwheels> lawl
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903 2011-08-31 19:56:06 <b4epoche> so BlueMatt doesn't that seem like an easy fix?
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907 2011-08-31 19:56:43 <I_am_your_wagner> lawl
908 2011-08-31 19:57:01 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, ^ +b
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916 2011-08-31 20:00:17 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: what is easy to fix?
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919 2011-08-31 20:00:41 <b4epoche> BlueMatt:: that comment
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924 2011-08-31 20:01:06 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: oh, yes, but it needs done...
925 2011-08-31 20:01:31 <b4epoche> although I'm not sure why it matters if the client isn't used for mining
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927 2011-08-31 20:01:45 <BlueMatt> it is though
928 2011-08-31 20:02:00 <b4epoche> I thought there was no more client mining
929 2011-08-31 20:02:19 <BlueMatt> client still generates the blocks/txes on which to mine
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932 2011-08-31 20:03:25 <b4epoche> I thought the coinbase tx would have been created in the miner (not the client)
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934 2011-08-31 20:03:43 <BlueMatt> no, getdata generates the coinbase tx
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936 2011-08-31 20:04:54 <b4epoche> so a miner has to generate the coinbase tx with the client?
937 2011-08-31 20:05:01 <gmaxwell> ~.
938 2011-08-31 20:05:07 <b4epoche> although I'm not sure how all this works with pooled mining
939 2011-08-31 20:05:11 <BlueMatt> yea, well the client has to generate the whole blocks
940 2011-08-31 20:05:38 <BlueMatt> because it has to check the txes
941 2011-08-31 20:06:02 <b4epoche> oh, I guess I assumed the mining clients were 'smarter'
942 2011-08-31 20:06:27 <BlueMatt> no, the mining clients just take headers and hash like crazy
943 2011-08-31 20:07:01 <b4epoche> I suppose that pooled mining is why I never saw that stuff⦠or was, say, diablo-miner talking to the client?
944 2011-08-31 20:07:33 <b4epoche> it was just talking to the pool and the pool was doing the tx checking, etc., right?
945 2011-08-31 20:07:39 <BlueMatt> a pool almost always uses just a proxy on top of bitcoind
946 2011-08-31 20:07:45 <BlueMatt> so...it also effects pools
947 2011-08-31 20:07:59 <BlueMatt> in fact, I dont know if any pools do it any other way
948 2011-08-31 20:09:48 <Tuxavant> can someone with ops have a talk with phantomcircuit regarding #bitcoin please
949 2011-08-31 20:10:02 <BlueMatt> whats he doing?
950 2011-08-31 20:10:03 <phantomcircuit> im pro moderator
951 2011-08-31 20:10:10 <phantomcircuit> lol i accidentally the channel
952 2011-08-31 20:10:24 <BlueMatt> oh, yea you kicked everyone, didnt you?
953 2011-08-31 20:10:28 <phantomcircuit> yeah
954 2011-08-31 20:10:35 <phantomcircuit> was trying to clear bans and cleared users
955 2011-08-31 20:10:36 <phantomcircuit> lol
956 2011-08-31 20:10:38 <b4epoche> can we just add our own verb?
957 2011-08-31 20:10:50 <phantomcircuit> b4epoche, verbs are
958 2011-08-31 20:10:51 <b4epoche> i accidentally <ver> the channel
959 2011-08-31 20:10:51 <iddo> heh
960 2011-08-31 20:10:56 <b4epoche> +b
961 2011-08-31 20:11:00 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: dont clear bans that arent yours
962 2011-08-31 20:11:02 <BlueMatt> ie that you didnt add
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964 2011-08-31 20:11:44 <phantomcircuit> usually i wouldn't but im pretty sure they're 90% me
965 2011-08-31 20:12:21 <BlueMatt> what client are you using?
966 2011-08-31 20:12:27 <phantomcircuit> xchat
967 2011-08-31 20:12:33 <BlueMatt> window->ban list
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976 2011-08-31 20:19:46 <pakis> hi
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988 2011-08-31 20:25:26 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, i now how to irc i just made a typo
989 2011-08-31 20:25:49 <Blitzboom> what is the first thing the devs will do when a fatal bitcoin flaw is found?
990 2011-08-31 20:25:50 <b4epoche> lrn2irc
991 2011-08-31 20:25:54 <Blitzboom> 1) sell their bitcoins
992 2011-08-31 20:26:00 <Blitzboom> 2) fix the problem
993 2011-08-31 20:26:05 <Blitzboom> or 3) warn everybody
994 2011-08-31 20:26:18 <phantomcircuit> b4epoche, i will irc the shit out of you
995 2011-08-31 20:26:32 <kinlo> Blitzboom: 2), it will create a seperated chain, learn the bitcoin history, it has happened before
996 2011-08-31 20:26:51 <Blitzboom> i didnât say what kind of flaw
997 2011-08-31 20:27:09 <Blitzboom> and yes, the challenge willbe to get everybody to upgrade
998 2011-08-31 20:27:16 <Blitzboom> then insert this to 2)
999 2011-08-31 20:27:41 <Blitzboom> 2) release new version as soon as possible
1000 2011-08-31 20:27:53 <ThomasV> 2) ?
1001 2011-08-31 20:28:01 <kinlo> Blitzboom: do you have found such a fatal flaw? :)
1002 2011-08-31 20:28:10 <Blitzboom> just asking
1003 2011-08-31 20:28:13 <Blitzboom> i bet it would be 1)
1004 2011-08-31 20:28:22 <Blitzboom> would be the most rational thing
1005 2011-08-31 20:30:29 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: check your spelling before hitting enter then ;)
1006 2011-08-31 20:30:32 <BlueMatt> its all good though
1007 2011-08-31 20:31:01 <Eliel> Blitzboom: a serious misuse of inside information though.
1008 2011-08-31 20:31:04 <denisx> lolz: http://pastebin.com/BKcmMd47
1009 2011-08-31 20:31:19 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: all the devs I know dont have enough btc to freak out enough -> they would 2)
1010 2011-08-31 20:31:21 <Blitzboom> Eliel: depends
1011 2011-08-31 20:31:26 <Eliel> only people whose sense of what's right is skewed would do it.
1012 2011-08-31 20:31:40 <Blitzboom> Eliel: depends on your political and economic ideology
1013 2011-08-31 20:31:51 <Blitzboom> in a free market, it would be considered a simply price signal to the market
1014 2011-08-31 20:31:53 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, KICK ALL THE THINGS
1015 2011-08-31 20:32:02 <Blitzboom> it gives the market new information
1016 2011-08-31 20:32:20 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: ????
1017 2011-08-31 20:32:32 <phantomcircuit> lol you dont get it
1018 2011-08-31 20:32:44 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Florian Schmaus * r4317e5083f30 gentoo/app-misc/poclbm/ (Manifest poclbm-9999.ebuild): fixed sed in poclbm live ebuild
1019 2011-08-31 20:32:51 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: i donât understand why you people donât have enough bitcoins to support yourself tor thex next few decades
1020 2011-08-31 20:33:08 <Blitzboom> (theoretically at the current price)
1021 2011-08-31 20:33:25 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: "OP all the things!" is more funny.
1022 2011-08-31 20:33:31 <pigeons> Blitzboom: it's happened before and the blockchain was forked and everybody moved to the new version
1023 2011-08-31 20:33:47 <Blitzboom> pigeons: right, but there hasnât been any established market
1024 2011-08-31 20:33:54 <Blitzboom> that would be the interesting part
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1026 2011-08-31 20:34:01 <pigeons> true
1027 2011-08-31 20:34:11 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: gavin has enough, cant speak for sipa, jgarzik or tcatm but I know they dont have too much to freak out...me...well I think I have like 5
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1029 2011-08-31 20:34:18 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: no I get it...but Things?
1030 2011-08-31 20:34:23 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, lol i used to randomly +o entire channels
1031 2011-08-31 20:34:32 <phantomcircuit> and then wait a second and -o
1032 2011-08-31 20:34:35 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: that was always fun on efnet where it was hard to undo.
1033 2011-08-31 20:34:39 <phantomcircuit> lol
1034 2011-08-31 20:35:00 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: if you have too litte bitcoins, your incentive will suck :D
1035 2011-08-31 20:35:08 <Blitzboom> monetary incentive
1036 2011-08-31 20:35:44 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: personally, I am a low-risk investor, if you want to do high-risk stuff, fine, but thats just not me...that said if I do good coding for bitcoin I have other incentives
1037 2011-08-31 20:35:46 <Blitzboom> thatâs why i want key persons to be heavily invested financially
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1040 2011-08-31 20:36:24 <BlueMatt> eg get people like TD, jgarzik, etc to see me and maybe get my foot in the door to places where I could get a job in 4 (or more) years
1041 2011-08-31 20:36:39 <BlueMatt> or a job over the summer, or whatever
1042 2011-08-31 20:36:52 <Blitzboom> yeah, thatâs a good investment too
1043 2011-08-31 20:37:17 <BlueMatt> that, and if Im bored, what else am I gonna do?
1044 2011-08-31 20:37:23 <BlueMatt> anyway...Ima go eat, bb later
1045 2011-08-31 20:37:29 <Blitzboom> play some games on your GPU? :P
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1047 2011-08-31 20:37:41 <BlueMatt> heh, well that too
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1051 2011-08-31 20:39:18 <Blitzboom> the least bitcoin would bring are free GPUs for earlier miners and very cheap GPUs on ebay
1052 2011-08-31 20:39:23 <Blitzboom> :D
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1067 2011-08-31 21:04:39 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
1068 2011-08-31 21:04:40 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.85,"low":8.02,"avg":8.487661654,"vwap":8.418129799,"vol":17929,"last":8.34092,"buy":8.34092,"sell":8.35898}}
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1071 2011-08-31 21:07:46 <md2k7> Mt.Gox have changed their SSL CA to VeriSign, with an intermediate certificate :-(
1072 2011-08-31 21:07:57 <md2k7> I can't seem to get the connection right from python
1073 2011-08-31 21:08:05 <md2k7> (or wget, or openssl, for that matter)
1074 2011-08-31 21:08:56 <md2k7> does anyone know how to specify intermediate certificates?
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1076 2011-08-31 21:09:44 <md2k7> I was using ca_certs=... file of ssl.wrap_socket()
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1081 2011-08-31 21:17:32 <tcatm> any ideas how one could visualize "bitcoin" in a logo/image?
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1084 2011-08-31 21:19:56 <sytse> md2k7: you should only need to trust one certificate in the chain, right?
1085 2011-08-31 21:20:35 <md2k7> sytse: errr, I'm not sure what I need to trust, because the "highest" CA certificate isn't working for me
1086 2011-08-31 21:22:10 <md2k7> actually, nothing seems to be working, so if you have hints on where to start debugging this, I'd be glad
1087 2011-08-31 21:22:39 <aldiyen> you are explicitly specifying a cacerts file path?
1088 2011-08-31 21:23:23 <md2k7> $ openssl s_client -CAfile cert -connect mtgox.com:443
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1090 2011-08-31 21:23:44 <md2k7> or, alternatively, $ wget --ca-certificate cert https://mtgox.com
1091 2011-08-31 21:24:59 <md2k7> or in Python: ssl_sock = ssl.wrap_socket(s,ca_certs="cert",cert_reqs=ssl.CERT_REQUIRED)
1092 2011-08-31 21:25:58 <md2k7> neither seems to work, not with the Class 3 SGC CA, not with the "G5", not with the server cert
1093 2011-08-31 21:26:04 <md2k7> nor with combinations of these
1094 2011-08-31 21:26:11 <aldiyen> I think ca_certs needs to be a file object
1095 2011-08-31 21:26:13 <aldiyen> not a filename
1096 2011-08-31 21:26:55 <aldiyen> or you could just tell it not to check, depending on what you're trying to do
1097 2011-08-31 21:26:57 <md2k7> aldiyen: http://docs.python.org/library/ssl.html#client-side-operation
1098 2011-08-31 21:27:19 <log0s> md2k7: i had some problems with some of the URLs earlier, but when i added www. to the URL, they worked
1099 2011-08-31 21:27:20 <aldiyen> try specifying the full file path?
1100 2011-08-31 21:27:24 <md2k7> not to check obviously misses the whole purpose of SSL
1101 2011-08-31 21:27:45 <aldiyen> SSL is intended to encrypt the communication
1102 2011-08-31 21:28:19 <aldiyen> it's nice to know that the other person is who they say they are, but to say that that is the whole purpose of it is inaccurate
1103 2011-08-31 21:29:08 <log0s> the purpose is both...to encrypt the connection and to be reasonably sure that you are connected to who you want to be connected to and not some attacker
1104 2011-08-31 21:30:25 <md2k7> well, sending your Mt.Gox password encrypted to an attacker who negotiated the decryption key is barely better than sending it unencrypted
1105 2011-08-31 21:31:23 <log0s> yes, the encryption is pointless if anyone can MITM without you knowing since you're ignoring any authentication
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1108 2011-08-31 21:34:17 <ByteCoin> anyone know anything about transaction replacement
1109 2011-08-31 21:34:27 <ByteCoin> or nLockTime?
1110 2011-08-31 21:35:19 <log0s> it seems the mtgox URLs i was having trouble with earlier before adding www. to them work either way now
1111 2011-08-31 21:35:56 <phantomcircuit> ByteCoin, iirc they're disabled currently
1112 2011-08-31 21:36:26 <ByteCoin> Yes I know THAT.. but do you know how they're meant to work if they are enabled?
1113 2011-08-31 21:37:06 <gmaxwell> ByteCoin: whats to know? nlocktime keeps a txn from being mined prior to a block index or network timestamp.
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1115 2011-08-31 21:37:30 <gmaxwell> replacement isn't just disabled there isn't even code for it IIRC.
1116 2011-08-31 21:38:14 <ByteCoin> Cool! Some people who know stuff! Ok. Are there restrictions on the transaction that can be made to replace a given transaction?
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1119 2011-08-31 21:38:59 <ByteCoin> I presume that all that's required is that the new transaction uses all the txins of the existing transaction and has a higher sequence number
1120 2011-08-31 21:39:49 <ByteCoin> Can anyone think of a use for nLockTime except for situations involving transaction replacement?
1121 2011-08-31 21:40:26 <lfm> ByteCoin loan payments
1122 2011-08-31 21:40:30 <gmaxwell> I gave a crazy one.
1123 2011-08-31 21:40:34 <gmaxwell> on the forums once
1124 2011-08-31 21:40:43 <gmaxwell> where you use it to pay miners to mine a fork.
1125 2011-08-31 21:41:01 <ByteCoin> gmaxwell: I vaguely remember... got the title or some keywords?
1126 2011-08-31 21:41:44 <ByteCoin> Do you recall off hand how that worked?
1127 2011-08-31 21:41:48 <gmaxwell> by creating a series of dependant txn with increasing nlocktime and txn fees in each. Nlocktime prevents the first miner from taking them all as a group in one block, the dependency makes it all or nothing.
1128 2011-08-31 21:42:14 <ByteCoin> I remember that one. I posted on that thread a fair amount
1129 2011-08-31 21:42:29 <ByteCoin> We argued about some detail
1130 2011-08-31 21:42:34 <gmaxwell> Yea, I forget what.
1131 2011-08-31 21:42:55 <ByteCoin> lfm: How would nLockTime work for loan payments?
1132 2011-08-31 21:42:57 <gmaxwell> I'm sure if I think for a bit I could come up with other nlocktime uses.
1133 2011-08-31 21:43:24 <lfm> ByteCoin: not well actually now I think of it cuz the money would be tied up.
1134 2011-08-31 21:43:35 <ByteCoin> lfm: Precisely
1135 2011-08-31 21:44:30 <lfm> It could be a week form of escrow. proves you have paid but they dont get the money right away
1136 2011-08-31 21:44:58 <ByteCoin> lfm: But if you can just replace the transaction with one that sends the money back to yourself?
1137 2011-08-31 21:45:06 <ByteCoin> Then what does it guarantee?
1138 2011-08-31 21:45:07 <gmaxwell> not if you don't control all the input keys.
1139 2011-08-31 21:45:15 <lfm> not sure exactly
1140 2011-08-31 21:45:26 <ByteCoin> gmaxell: I see
1141 2011-08-31 21:45:28 <gmaxwell> (presuming replacement requires signatures by all the inputs)
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1143 2011-08-31 21:46:18 <ByteCoin> gmaxwell: So it's for collaboratively signed transactions which inevitably have more than one txin
1144 2011-08-31 21:46:49 <lfm> ByteCoin: of just joint accounts
1145 2011-08-31 21:46:51 <gmaxwell> I think the examples I've seen describing it being used were all of that kind. iirc there is a page in the wiki with an example like that.
1146 2011-08-31 21:47:37 <ByteCoin> Ok. You've been great help, both of you.
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1154 2011-08-31 22:07:41 <ByteCoin> I hope you guys are still around... The hash of the transaction is used to identify the transaction. There are a number of occasions where you have to make a transaction which spends an incompletely signed transaction. I presume that means that the signatures of the txins are zeroed out for the hash. Correct?
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1158 2011-08-31 22:15:31 <tcatm> BlueMatt: gavin set up the repo. now we only need to change the DNS :) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.github.com
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1171 2011-08-31 22:45:06 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, ima be screwing with intersango.com/.us for a bit and the api stuff is definitely going to break so yeah
1172 2011-08-31 22:45:09 <phantomcircuit> just so you know
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1174 2011-08-31 22:45:40 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: do it on a testing/staging server :P
1175 2011-08-31 22:45:56 <phantomcircuit> completely new software migration
1176 2011-08-31 22:46:04 <phantomcircuit> so it'll be fine
1177 2011-08-31 22:46:06 <phantomcircuit> until it's broken
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1188 2011-08-31 23:05:10 <BlueMatt> tcatm: nice
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1190 2011-08-31 23:07:02 <tcatm> I'm also thinking about adding a small news section for release notes and other important, dev-related announcements (I'll volunteer to write both)
1191 2011-08-31 23:07:52 <ByteCoin> tcatm & BlueMatt: Is there something wrong with my client that I seem to be missing out on most of your conversation?
1192 2011-08-31 23:08:32 <tcatm> ByteCoin: we're having a highly asynchron chat with long delays. like 1 msg per hour :)
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1194 2011-08-31 23:08:48 <ByteCoin> Got it.
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1224 2011-08-31 23:43:59 <surikator> Hi everyone! If two nodes discover the same block at the same time (i know, very unlikely) who gets the 50 BTC? More importantly, can it not happen that some nodes take the first transaction of the block (the 50 BTC) as having a different receiver as others and screw up transaction consistency?
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1227 2011-08-31 23:44:55 <imsaguy> surikator, it would come down to who discovers the next block
1228 2011-08-31 23:44:59 <imsaguy> one would 'win'
1229 2011-08-31 23:45:02 <imsaguy> the other lose
1230 2011-08-31 23:47:08 <surikator> so if node A and B simultaneously discover a block with equal length and then node C discovers the next block, what then?
1231 2011-08-31 23:47:46 <ByteCoin> Depends which of A or B, C's block was built off
1232 2011-08-31 23:48:30 <ByteCoin> If C built off A, B will lose
1233 2011-08-31 23:48:57 <ByteCoin> How do you know which C is likely to build off? Probably which ever he got first
1234 2011-08-31 23:49:10 <surikator> i see.
1235 2011-08-31 23:49:20 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ping
1236 2011-08-31 23:49:29 <surikator> interesting.
1237 2011-08-31 23:49:31 <surikator> thanks!
1238 2011-08-31 23:50:16 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
1239 2011-08-31 23:50:17 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 5 hours, 54 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> ... talk with jgarzik about how it works exactly (I can't recall)
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1241 2011-08-31 23:54:35 <BlueMatt> ;;later tell gavinandresen I thought you said you replaced addressbook cs with wallet and got that one when you needed address book stuff? rpc GetAccountAddress...
1242 2011-08-31 23:54:36 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
1243 2011-08-31 23:56:07 <imsaguy> thanks ByteCoin
1244 2011-08-31 23:57:48 <BlueMatt> anyone have a spare vps?
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1246 2011-08-31 23:58:40 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, what for?
1247 2011-08-31 23:58:50 <BlueMatt> blockchain nightly creation
1248 2011-08-31 23:59:01 <phantomcircuit> oh
1249 2011-08-31 23:59:03 <phantomcircuit> nop
1250 2011-08-31 23:59:03 <BlueMatt> preferably with unmetered bw
1251 2011-08-31 23:59:38 <phantomcircuit> there isn't really such a thing
1252 2011-08-31 23:59:48 <phantomcircuit> an unmetered 100mbps line is like $800/month
1253 2011-08-31 23:59:55 <phantomcircuit> gbps around 2k/month
1254 2011-08-31 23:59:57 <BlueMatt> it doesnt need 100mbps