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 14 2011-09-04 00:38:09 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * re9f886d80522 cgminer/ (adl.c adl.h main.c): Allow target, overheat and hysteresis temperatures to be set from command line.
 15 2011-09-04 00:38:10 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * r1ed219372eba cgminer/ (adl.c adl.h main.c): Combine all stats collating into one function to avoid repeating function calls on each variable.
 16 2011-09-04 00:38:11 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * r306dad9fdb0f cgminer/main.c: Add gpu statistics to debugging output via the watchdog thread.
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 20 2011-09-04 00:58:14 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
 21 2011-09-04 00:58:15 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.69,"low":8.36307,"avg":8.515731576,"vwap":8.526921416,"vol":6674,"last":8.43599,"buy":8.4324,"sell":8.43599}}
 22 2011-09-04 00:58:28 <Diablo-D3> I guess its time for people to start buying shit again
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 27 2011-09-04 01:22:39 <Blitzboom> Diablo-D3: why
 28 2011-09-04 01:23:41 <Diablo-D3> prices are significantly below $10
 29 2011-09-04 01:23:50 <Blitzboom> so?
 30 2011-09-04 01:29:10 <Diablo-D3> well if you dont buy them, how do you sell them above $10?
 31 2011-09-04 01:30:31 <Namegduf> You set up a subsidiary of your own organisation to sell them to
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 35 2011-09-04 01:33:43 <Diablo-D3> Namegduf: ...
 36 2011-09-04 01:38:08 <CIA-101> bitcoin: aldiyen * r45dabed3957a Phoenix-Miner-personal/ (ConsoleLogger.py Miner.py phoenix.py): Refresh status at a consistent rate, using a loop rather than depending on some other update code being called after some amount of time; redraw status using a single call to sys.stdout.write() instead of four
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 38 2011-09-04 01:56:01 <diki> question
 39 2011-09-04 01:56:09 <diki> how does one make a "blockexplorer"?
 40 2011-09-04 01:56:28 <diki> for coding you could say i am fine, but how in the world do i get the data?
 41 2011-09-04 01:56:36 <Diablo-D3> its out of the chain
 42 2011-09-04 01:56:44 <Diablo-D3> all blockexplorer does is process the chain
 43 2011-09-04 01:57:20 <diki> then you know what my other question is then
 44 2011-09-04 01:57:27 <Diablo-D3> how do you read the chain?
 45 2011-09-04 01:57:38 <diki> you got it :D
 46 2011-09-04 01:57:51 <Diablo-D3> its all in blkindex.dat/blk0001.dat
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 48 2011-09-04 01:58:45 <diki> that tells me where it is
 49 2011-09-04 01:58:52 <diki> not how to parse/read it
 50 2011-09-04 01:59:57 <Diablo-D3> its a berkleydb file
 51 2011-09-04 02:00:20 <Diablo-D3> I dont know what the key names are, you'll have to check the bitcoin source yourself
 52 2011-09-04 02:00:32 <Diablo-D3> or use a bdb browser
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 55 2011-09-04 02:05:56 <diki> when you say key names you mean like...the identifiers for each thing right?
 56 2011-09-04 02:06:01 <diki> like nonce, etc
 57 2011-09-04 02:08:09 <CIA-101> bitcoin: aldiyen * r0b1acaee5bc2 Phoenix-Miner-personal/ (ConsoleLogger.py phoenix.py): Cleanup changes to status line drawing behavior
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 68 2011-09-04 02:27:37 <diki> phantomcircuit:so which channel was the discussion at with ben?
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 89 2011-09-04 03:37:29 <Guilherme> Someone who understands deeply the block header?
 90 2011-09-04 03:38:40 <copumpkin> ask the question
 91 2011-09-04 03:38:44 <copumpkin> if someone knows the answer, they will answer
 92 2011-09-04 03:39:47 <Guilherme> I'm looking into the data field returned by getwork...
 93 2011-09-04 03:40:01 <Guilherme> It ends with 280.
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 95 2011-09-04 03:40:41 <Guilherme> But, the block header has 641 bytes.
 96 2011-09-04 03:41:00 <Guilherme> *bits
 97 2011-09-04 03:41:04 <lianj> getwork is not the block header
 98 2011-09-04 03:41:19 <Guilherme> Yep.
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100 2011-09-04 03:43:03 <Guilherme> Block header seems to have 648 bits.
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102 2011-09-04 03:43:47 <Guilherme> So the SHA should append to the end of data 288 instead of 280.
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105 2011-09-04 03:56:32 <lfm> Guilherme Block headers are 80 bytes
106 2011-09-04 03:56:44 <lfm> 640 bits
107 2011-09-04 03:58:53 <lfm> ;;later send Guilherme Block headers are 80 bytes, 640 bits
108 2011-09-04 03:58:53 <gribble> Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "send" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
109 2011-09-04 03:59:15 <lfm> ;;list later
110 2011-09-04 03:59:15 <gribble> notes, remove, and tell
111 2011-09-04 03:59:23 <lfm> ;;later tell Guilherme Block headers are 80 bytes, 640 bits
112 2011-09-04 03:59:23 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
113 2011-09-04 03:59:50 <lfm> ;;help later
114 2011-09-04 03:59:51 <gribble> Error: There is no command "later".
115 2011-09-04 04:00:02 <lfm> ;;help tell
116 2011-09-04 04:00:02 <gribble> (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
117 2011-09-04 04:01:29 <someone42> lfm: the "Block headers" structure in https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification lists a one-byte "txn_count" field
118 2011-09-04 04:01:45 <someone42> yet https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/main.h#L796 doesn't seem to include this field
119 2011-09-04 04:02:00 <lfm> someone well thats not part of the block header for calculating hashes
120 2011-09-04 04:06:50 <forrestv> someone42, that txn_count field is send in 'headers' messages as 0 and in 'block' messages as the count of txns followed by the txns, but yeah, not used for hashing
121 2011-09-04 04:11:17 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
122 2011-09-04 04:11:18 <gribble> 143863
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125 2011-09-04 04:13:38 <CIA-101> bitcoin: aldiyen * re4b492dca467 Phoenix-Miner-personal/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Only abandon work if currentUnit is the one that the bad work came from; check that rollntime header value doesn't look like something that means 'false'
126 2011-09-04 04:13:41 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * r12a167a3f142 cgminer/ (adl.c main.c): Implement menus to change temperature limits.
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128 2011-09-04 04:16:26 <someone42> forrestv: thanks
129 2011-09-04 04:17:42 <forrestv> someone42, oh, and it is listed there - it's part of the structure serialized by the line mentioning 'vtx'
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139 2011-09-04 04:38:24 <forrestv> lfm, guessing it's "on the go"
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142 2011-09-04 04:43:05 <luke-jr> re luke-jr|otg?
143 2011-09-04 04:43:06 <luke-jr> ye
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193 2011-09-04 06:44:10 <andyroo> ;;ticker
194 2011-09-04 06:44:11 <gribble> Best bid: 8.3603, Best ask: 8.4021, Bid-ask spread: 0.0418, Last trade: 8.3603, 24 hour volume: 7250, 24 hour low: 8.35011, 24 hour high: 8.6699
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201 2011-09-04 06:53:39 <CIA-101> bitcoin: aldiyen * r755ca78965e4 Phoenix-Miner-personal/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Give each WorkUnit a unique identifier so we know to abandon WorkQueue's currentUnit even if it's a clone of the one that failed and not the original; minor code cleanup
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319 2011-09-04 12:08:42 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * rec8808d00429 cgminer/ (adl.c main.c miner.h): Implement setting the GPU engine clock speed of all devices or each device as a comma separated value.
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322 2011-09-04 12:18:43 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * r8ae273c56c22 cgminer/ (adl.c main.c miner.h): Implement setting the GPU voltage of all devices or each device as a comma separated value.
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333 2011-09-04 13:08:41 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * rbd292258d306 cgminer/ (adl.c adl.h main.c miner.h): Add support for monitoring powertune setting.
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341 2011-09-04 13:28:42 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * r7711c6fbd588 cgminer/adl.c: Implement changing of powertune value from the GPU change settings menu.
342 2011-09-04 13:28:43 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * r656bacc5a9d5 cgminer/adl.c: Get the value of powertune in get_stats.
343 2011-09-04 13:29:00 <mabus> dude either really likes contributing or just commenting
344 2011-09-04 13:31:37 <Graet> he's adding some major changes to his miner
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346 2011-09-04 13:32:16 <Diablo-D3> mabus has apparently never coded
347 2011-09-04 13:32:39 <mabus> what makes you say that
348 2011-09-04 13:33:43 <Diablo-D3> [09:21:02] <mabus> dude either really likes contributing or just commenting
349 2011-09-04 13:33:50 <mabus> yes that is what i said
350 2011-09-04 13:34:00 <Diablo-D3> this is what made me say that.
351 2011-09-04 13:34:14 <mabus> what from that comment makes you infer something about my experience
352 2011-09-04 13:35:40 <mabus> rather than pasting what i said, some logic might be appropriate
353 2011-09-04 13:36:19 <mabus> i would argue that to gather experience job security is paramount. and for that we have code unmaintainability which includes a lack of commenting
354 2011-09-04 13:36:49 <Diablo-D3> Your argument would be invalid, ck is not paid to write his mainer, and since it is on github it is one click away from being forked.
355 2011-09-04 13:37:42 <mabus> how does that make my argument invalid
356 2011-09-04 13:37:47 <mabus> for a pretend coder you suck at logic
357 2011-09-04 13:38:22 <phantomcircuit> mabus, do you actually have sushi
358 2011-09-04 13:38:44 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * r16d0b672e281 cgminer/ (main.c miner.h): Implement setting the GPU powertune value of all devices or each device as a comma separated value.
359 2011-09-04 13:38:45 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * rfc7767b513cd cgminer/adl.c: Actually set the parameter passed value for powertune.
360 2011-09-04 13:39:00 <mabus> no, sushi is overrated
361 2011-09-04 13:39:11 <phantomcircuit> zomg gtfo
362 2011-09-04 13:40:00 <Diablo-D3> mabus: Im a pretend coder now? lol.
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369 2011-09-04 13:47:33 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, i liked that
370 2011-09-04 13:48:22 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: ?
371 2011-09-04 13:48:37 <phantomcircuit> you being a pretend coder
372 2011-09-04 13:48:54 <Diablo-D3> I must have epic pretend Java then
373 2011-09-04 13:49:53 <phantomcircuit> lulz
374 2011-09-04 13:50:12 <phantomcircuit> i have literally never written anything in java
375 2011-09-04 13:50:24 <Diablo-D3> apparently neither have I
376 2011-09-04 13:50:29 <mabus> you must make a lot of money. most indians i know are only kind of good at java
377 2011-09-04 13:50:55 <phantomcircuit> lol
378 2011-09-04 13:51:15 <Diablo-D3> yes, pretend money, lots of it
379 2011-09-04 13:52:41 <phantomcircuit> zomg
380 2011-09-04 13:52:47 <phantomcircuit> fire alarm is beeping
381 2011-09-04 13:52:52 <phantomcircuit> >.>
382 2011-09-04 13:53:02 <Diablo-D3> well reset it
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384 2011-09-04 13:54:09 <mabus> at my last apartment i stopped evacuating for those
385 2011-09-04 13:54:20 <mabus> every month? really?
386 2011-09-04 13:54:46 <mabus> especially annoying when you're working remote
387 2011-09-04 13:56:43 <aldiyen> …job security depends on code unmaintainability?
388 2011-09-04 13:56:46 <aldiyen> ahahahahaha
389 2011-09-04 13:57:03 <Diablo-D3> aldiyen: well, thats why C++ was invented after all ;)
390 2011-09-04 13:57:05 <mabus> in the consultant world
391 2011-09-04 13:57:30 <mabus> http://thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html
392 2011-09-04 13:59:14 <aldiyen> wait I can't tell if you're joking
393 2011-09-04 13:59:25 <phantomcircuit> he isn't
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395 2011-09-04 14:00:28 <mabus> i am mostly
396 2011-09-04 14:02:11 <luke-jr> [09:24:17] <Diablo-D3> mabus has apparently never coded <-- I concur
397 2011-09-04 14:02:25 <mabus> i cant argue with a man of faith
398 2011-09-04 14:02:37 <luke-jr> job security is no excuse to do a poor job
399 2011-09-04 14:02:49 <mabus> clearly i was joking
400 2011-09-04 14:02:58 <luke-jr> nobody else thought so
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402 2011-09-04 14:03:16 <mabus> i posted the referenced famous joke for anybody who has not read it
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404 2011-09-04 14:04:00 <mabus> i cant be surprised a catholic can come to set conclusions without any sound logic
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409 2011-09-04 14:24:55 <mabus> http://blog.e-gold.com/
410 2011-09-04 14:25:07 <mabus> accidental paste, ignore
411 2011-09-04 14:25:20 <cjdelisle> no
412 2011-09-04 14:26:38 <cjdelisle> wow that sucks
413 2011-09-04 14:27:11 <mabus> better than the nothing i was expecting account holders to get back
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416 2011-09-04 14:29:03 <cjdelisle> If I understand correctly, there is a statute against coining money in the US whereas printing paper money is legal.
417 2011-09-04 14:31:39 <cjdelisle> Hence the action against the liberty dollar man. The words by the US attorney about him being a "domestic terrorist" were however, IMO, completely uncalled for and not aligned with their stated goal of remedying the situation.
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419 2011-09-04 14:33:20 <mabus> yeah that was unsettling
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423 2011-09-04 14:36:37 <asher^> what nick does Meni Rosenfeld use on irc?
424 2011-09-04 14:44:06 <phantomcircuit> cjdelisle, he wasn't actually charged under that statute i believe he was charged under wire fraud statutes
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426 2011-09-04 14:45:04 <cjdelisle> Was there an actual victim of this fraud or was it some vague statutory violation type of thing/
427 2011-09-04 14:45:06 <mabus> i thought he was also charged with counterfeiting
428 2011-09-04 14:46:11 <phantomcircuit> counterfeiting
429 2011-09-04 14:47:17 <phantomcircuit> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2.html
430 2011-09-04 14:47:26 <phantomcircuit> that too but i have no idea what that's trying to state
431 2011-09-04 14:47:40 <phantomcircuit> so
432 2011-09-04 14:47:47 <phantomcircuit> counterfeiting and minting coinage
433 2011-09-04 14:47:59 <mabus> On March 18, 2011, von NotHaus was found guilty on various counts, including the making of counterfeit coins.
434 2011-09-04 14:48:28 <cjdelisle> That statute is about principle vs. agent
435 2011-09-04 14:48:36 <phantomcircuit> his main problem was probably that he taunted them
436 2011-09-04 14:48:50 <cjdelisle> Trolling is not a criminal offense.
437 2011-09-04 14:48:52 <asher^> iirc the liberty dollar thing got in trouble becaues the word 'dollar' was used
438 2011-09-04 14:48:56 <mabus> http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/mar/19/local-liberty-dollar-architect-found-guilty/
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440 2011-09-04 14:49:20 <mabus> dollar is used by many non USD currencies
441 2011-09-04 14:49:28 <mabus> isn't even american in origin
442 2011-09-04 14:49:41 <asher^> sure
443 2011-09-04 14:49:51 <asher^> but this was someone inside the US making coins and using the word
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447 2011-09-04 14:53:10 <cjdelisle> That article doesn't say anything about the statute they were charging over.
448 2011-09-04 14:53:45 <cjdelisle> Also where the fuck did they find a jury to convict that. They must have looked high and low for 12 people who would say yes to that.
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460 2011-09-04 15:01:47 <cjdelisle> right you are, they went after him for counterfeiting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar#Indictment
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468 2011-09-04 15:22:47 <Diablo-D3> [10:40:52] <asher^> iirc the liberty dollar thing got in trouble becaues the word 'dollar' was used
469 2011-09-04 15:22:57 <Diablo-D3> no, they got in trouble because the Fed saw them as a threat
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471 2011-09-04 15:23:28 <Diablo-D3> the official reason was they got in trouble because the government claimed they were trying to pass it off as real money
472 2011-09-04 15:23:52 <Diablo-D3> which isnt true, the most primary selling point of the product was it is not money and cannot be confused with any form of legal tender
473 2011-09-04 15:24:13 <Diablo-D3> the government tried to say they own the liberty motif, which they dont
474 2011-09-04 15:24:24 <Diablo-D3> the use of the word dollar was secondary to that argument
475 2011-09-04 15:26:11 <cjdelisle> I would like to think that the government doesn't twist the law to fit their own desires but the fact that egold has had so much trouble too is also an indication that you are right.
476 2011-09-04 15:26:51 <Diablo-D3> cjdelisle: dude, there is so much fucking evidence that the government knowingly and willfully twists the law that it isnt even worth considering the alternative of a straight honest government
477 2011-09-04 15:27:10 <asher^> ^
478 2011-09-04 15:27:25 <soap> Diablo-D3, so you're saying they didn't promise to rebase the value of the Liberty Dollar?
479 2011-09-04 15:27:38 <soap> Liberty Services didn
480 2011-09-04 15:27:49 <soap> 't promise to maintain parity?
481 2011-09-04 15:27:54 Fuehrer is now known as abragin
482 2011-09-04 15:28:05 <asher^> if people start using currency other than their own theyd go out of business pretty quick
483 2011-09-04 15:28:05 <soap> My bad, wrong channel.
484 2011-09-04 15:28:06 <Diablo-D3> soap: nope. they were rebasing, but not because of that.
485 2011-09-04 15:28:33 <Diablo-D3> cjdelisle: btw, in addition, they stole tons of gold and silver that was privately owned by individuals
486 2011-09-04 15:28:48 <Diablo-D3> it was sent to Liberty Dollar to be minted into coins for the owners of the metal
487 2011-09-04 15:28:57 <Diablo-D3> as in, it was not property of von NotHaus
488 2011-09-04 15:29:19 <makomk> cjdelisle: the actual victims were the companies and individuals that got passed "dollars" that weren't legal tender and were worth less than their precious metal content.
489 2011-09-04 15:29:31 <Diablo-D3> makomk: actually, thats the hilarity
490 2011-09-04 15:29:49 <Diablo-D3> the value of the coins FAR exceeds what an idiot thinks they're worth
491 2011-09-04 15:30:21 <cjdelisle> What is legal tender?
492 2011-09-04 15:30:28 <Diablo-D3> cjdelisle: whatever the government says it is.
493 2011-09-04 15:30:34 <makomk> Diablo-D3: nope, he'd set the face value at something like 50% more than the value of the precious metal.
494 2011-09-04 15:30:41 <soap> is this not a discussion for #bitcoin and NOT #bitcoin-dev?
495 2011-09-04 15:31:12 <Diablo-D3> makomk: not entirely. it was sold at a premium of what it took to mint the coin
496 2011-09-04 15:31:22 <Diablo-D3> makomk: early runs had higher mark up
497 2011-09-04 15:31:50 <Diablo-D3> makomk: however, it took about a year and a half for the value of silver to catch up and exceed what it said on the coin
498 2011-09-04 15:32:09 <Diablo-D3> cjdelisle: there is no negative sense of the term legal tender
499 2011-09-04 15:32:15 <cjdelisle> makomk: you said that people got passed "dollars" which were not legal tender, are you asserting that Federal Reserve notes are legal tender?
500 2011-09-04 15:32:43 <makomk> Diablo-D3: except before then he revalued them with a new face value that again exceeded the value of the precious metal.
501 2011-09-04 15:32:45 <Diablo-D3> cjdelisle: the government wont arrest me for possessing counterfeit money for, say, having canadian dollars
502 2011-09-04 15:32:58 <Diablo-D3> makomk: yes, but he also bought back all the old coins
503 2011-09-04 15:33:30 <makomk> In exachange for new coins with the same metal content, but the new face value right?
504 2011-09-04 15:34:03 <Diablo-D3> yes, thats the inherit problem with having a face value
505 2011-09-04 15:34:11 <Diablo-D3> but not related to the government's argument.
506 2011-09-04 15:34:20 <Diablo-D3> "1 troy ounce of silver" IS a monetary value.
507 2011-09-04 15:34:25 <Diablo-D3> its like saying "1 dollar"
508 2011-09-04 15:35:18 <makomk> If he'd stamped 1 troy ounce on them I think it would've been legal.
509 2011-09-04 15:35:32 <Diablo-D3> makomk: well thats the thing
510 2011-09-04 15:35:35 <Diablo-D3> nothing he did was illegal
511 2011-09-04 15:35:43 <Diablo-D3> the claims of the government were not substantiated
512 2011-09-04 15:35:53 <makomk> The reason he didn't do that was that passing them off as US doallrs was an imprtant part of his business plan.
513 2011-09-04 15:36:07 <Diablo-D3> except he did not pass them off as US dollars
514 2011-09-04 15:36:18 <Diablo-D3> they do not look like US currency and cannot be confused with US currency
515 2011-09-04 15:36:55 <makomk> Diablo-D3: he was filmed, for a news item, paying for goods with them at a store that had never previously hearde of the Liberty Dollar by describing the coins as "the new dollar".
516 2011-09-04 15:37:10 <Diablo-D3> makomk: not that Im aware of, no.
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521 2011-09-04 15:38:08 <Diablo-D3> makomk: because the store that he shopped at would also be in violation of the same set of laws they grabbed Liberty Dollar over
522 2011-09-04 15:38:25 <Diablo-D3> in addition, any company that accepts foreign currency would be illegal
523 2011-09-04 15:38:29 <Diablo-D3> no pesos, no cdns.
524 2011-09-04 15:39:07 <Diablo-D3> hell, the coins said on them "NOT legal tender"
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527 2011-09-04 15:41:41 <cjdelisle> The coins looked governmentish, if true that he passed them to a store as "the new dollar" implying that they were government sanctioned, he probably was on morally shakey ground. If he had the metal to back those coins then he clearly meant to do right, there is no criminal scheme which ends in him sailing off to some island nation with millions in stolen loot.
528 2011-09-04 15:42:38 <cjdelisle> The government couldn't AFAIK provide anyone who claimed to be victimized by him so they, at least, bent the law to make him into a violator. The lack of clear criminal intent is another can of worms entirely.
529 2011-09-04 15:43:57 <cjdelisle> And my question, what is legal tender, remains unanswered by makomk.
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531 2011-09-04 15:46:43 <noagendamarket> its not foreign currency because no government issues them
532 2011-09-04 15:47:29 <noagendamarket> how do you tell what s a foreign bitcoin and what isnt ?
533 2011-09-04 15:47:35 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
534 2011-09-04 15:47:35 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.579,"low":8.08,"avg":8.383467156,"vwap":8.318234099,"vol":10493,"last":8.16309,"buy":8.16655,"sell":8.20035}}
535 2011-09-04 15:47:57 <edcba> is volume low or bitcoin stabilized ?
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538 2011-09-04 15:55:33 <MagicalTux> edcba: volume is always lower on weekends
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541 2011-09-04 16:01:49 <edcba> but it's one week since it is 8.5
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543 2011-09-04 16:03:09 <makomk> Diablo-D3: cjdelisle: see http://www.opencurrency.com/liberty-dollars-arrogance-ends-in-federal-guilty-verdict/ for the video in question...
544 2011-09-04 16:04:57 <makomk> (Also, technically legal tender just defines what kinds of money you're required to accept in settlement of a debt...)4;2~
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547 2011-09-04 16:06:14 <lfm> makomk: note "liberty Dollars" not equal "Liberty Reserve"
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550 2011-09-04 16:09:51 <cjdelisle> You're close to giving me an answer, I want to know if you classify Federal Reserve notes as legal tender and if not, what is. Also I would like to know your source because I don't have a reliable source on the answer to that question.
551 2011-09-04 16:10:43 <makomk> I suspect the issue has never come up....
552 2011-09-04 16:11:50 <cjdelisle> k so you don't know what is, you just know what isn't.
553 2011-09-04 16:13:14 <mabus> cjdelisle: legal tender is what you pay your taxes with
554 2011-09-04 16:14:13 <makomk> It appears they are legal tender actually, fairly clearly defined as such even.,
555 2011-09-04 16:14:33 <cjdelisle> sauce plz?
556 2011-09-04 16:14:56 <mabus> doesnt it say right on american bills? forgive me, i dont have any on me, i'm not american
557 2011-09-04 16:15:16 <lfm> ya but that doesnt make it law
558 2011-09-04 16:15:45 <makomk> Title 31, Chapter 51, Subchapter I, Section 5103 of the US Code.
559 2011-09-04 16:17:20 <makomk> I presume there's sone original bill dewfining this somewhere...
560 2011-09-04 16:17:38 <mabus> federal reserve act?
561 2011-09-04 16:17:55 <cjdelisle> Thx
562 2011-09-04 16:18:40 <cjdelisle> That's an interesting act since, it would seem, the Constitution compels the states not to accept it.
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566 2011-09-04 16:19:55 <mabus> i think thats a fairly easy argument to win amongst the bitcoin community. convince everybody else.
567 2011-09-04 16:20:26 <cjdelisle> I'm not trying to make an argument about it, it's just a legal novelty.
568 2011-09-04 16:21:04 <lfm> I thot people decided bitcoin was more of a comodity than a currency under the law
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570 2011-09-04 16:21:32 <mabus> but has a judge
571 2011-09-04 16:21:54 <lfm> not yet, I figgure not many judges have even heard of bitcoin
572 2011-09-04 16:22:37 <lfm> I think someone said they got a statement of some sort from a tax expert for it
573 2011-09-04 16:23:14 <mabus> tax expert = tax avoidance expert?
574 2011-09-04 16:23:37 <lfm> dunno if it was a real lawyer or an irs agent or what
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602 2011-09-04 17:48:05 <forrestv> jgarzik, p2pool's first block with transactions: http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000002436bd2ae60d67d6fc0dce44deba2ad739619a3d364f6283e64 :P
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606 2011-09-04 17:52:16 <luke-jr> forrestv: yeah, I saw that :x
607 2011-09-04 17:52:37 <luke-jr> forrestv: thanks to p2pool, I'm gonna have to make ljrbot more smart on picking which blocks to announce in #Eligius :P
608 2011-09-04 17:52:57 <forrestv> oh, i wish i'd seen that, haha
609 2011-09-04 17:53:14 <forrestv> what, before you had a rule to exclude them if they don't contain any additional transactions?
610 2011-09-04 17:53:35 <luke-jr> no
611 2011-09-04 17:53:45 <luke-jr> it's not a new problem
612 2011-09-04 17:53:58 <luke-jr> p2pool just doesn't find blocks often enough that it's made me fix it yet
613 2011-09-04 17:54:00 <luke-jr> :P
614 2011-09-04 17:54:10 <luke-jr> [12:40:57] <ljrbot> Blk 00000000000002436bd2ae60d67d6fc0dce44deba2ad739619a3d364f6283e64: 1HzT4B4pkaiYaSXwgCpXskqaqjKzmpxovJ 15.19928753 BTC, 17Ap2DfJd9h7192ZK3aGEZzS1eHZduRZ5w 10.43336182 BTC, 1EprnA7kA8uvUnkhvas1b4iXoDWWVgEHJL 5.39478469 BTC, 1M78kjyqcYChfs4S1kZwwc5Q98bFdHPrRP 5.04366513 BTC, 15KRNqCHN6yjSN9hBB7dt3Lgm1zhJeT4yY
615 2011-09-04 17:54:27 <forrestv> ah, :P
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619 2011-09-04 18:02:01 <TD> forrestv: congratulations
620 2011-09-04 18:02:18 <TD> forrestv: hope you get a lot more hashers now
621 2011-09-04 18:02:22 <TD> forrestv: what was your fee on that block?
622 2011-09-04 18:02:25 <TD> feeling rich yet?
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625 2011-09-04 18:04:01 <forrestv> TD, my payout from mining is an order of magnitude larger than my 'fee' ... so, no
626 2011-09-04 18:04:51 <forrestv> also, the fee is being revamped into an opt-out donation system :P
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628 2011-09-04 18:05:19 <cjdelisle> I was thinking it would be fun to start a p2pool where the fee is optional but if you choose no then you have to pay more to other miners.
629 2011-09-04 18:05:45 <cjdelisle> So your choice is pay 1 unit to the other miners or keep half and give half to the creator.
630 2011-09-04 18:06:01 <cjdelisle> That would create all sorts of fun game theory stuff.
631 2011-09-04 18:06:24 <cjdelisle> You win by paying the fee but the whole pool wins by you not paying the fee.
632 2011-09-04 18:07:43 <phantomcircuit> changes nothing as everybody would pay the fee
633 2011-09-04 18:08:25 <TD> forrestv: cool :-)
634 2011-09-04 18:08:42 <cjdelisle> Ofc you can see from the other microblocks whether or not the other miners opted to pay so if they all did then you would because why should you help them?
635 2011-09-04 18:10:25 <cjdelisle> mm it would end up being a tragity of the commons thing and everyone would end up paying. It would be more interesting if there was a real dillema involved.
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637 2011-09-04 18:16:36 <AlonzoTG> anyone know of papers/articles/books that explain the design patterns/best practices for something like the bitcoin daemon?
638 2011-09-04 18:24:01 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, yeah take everything in bitcoind
639 2011-09-04 18:24:04 <phantomcircuit> and dont do that
640 2011-09-04 18:24:06 <phantomcircuit> :(
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653 2011-09-04 18:58:39 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: LOL
654 2011-09-04 19:00:12 <Eliel> phantomcircuit: you mean 0.3.24 or 0.4.0rc1?
655 2011-09-04 19:01:00 <AlonzoTG> I thought 0.4 was supposed to have a build system? I just pulled my git but it still doesn't seem to have it.
656 2011-09-04 19:01:17 <vsrinivas> not yet. the autoconf bits aren't ready.
657 2011-09-04 19:01:30 <vsrinivas> 0.4's big ticket is wallet crypto
658 2011-09-04 19:01:41 <Eliel> there's also a lot of refactoring
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660 2011-09-04 19:04:38 * luke-jr grumbles at nobody making a tgz for ti
661 2011-09-04 19:04:40 <luke-jr> it*
662 2011-09-04 19:05:02 <vsrinivas> luke-jr: github automatically does that;
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671 2011-09-04 19:31:40 <luke-jr> vsrinivas: usually a human does it too
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673 2011-09-04 19:42:45 <TD> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Smart_Property
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675 2011-09-04 19:44:21 <TD> seems the forum is broken though
676 2011-09-04 19:45:13 <luke-jr> "if you own a car, it is probably required to come with an immobilizer."
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678 2011-09-04 19:45:16 <luke-jr> wtf is an immobilizer
679 2011-09-04 19:45:21 <soap> LoJack
680 2011-09-04 19:45:40 <TD> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immobiliser
681 2011-09-04 19:45:42 <TD> spelling error
682 2011-09-04 19:45:51 <TD> should be british english :-)
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685 2011-09-04 19:46:26 <luke-jr> TD: k, well they're not that common in sane countries that don't mandate crap like this by law
686 2011-09-04 19:46:40 <soap> do any countries mandate such things?
687 2011-09-04 19:46:53 <luke-jr> "Immobilisers have been mandatory in all new cars sold in Germany since 1 January 1998, in the United Kingdom since 1 October 1998, in Finland since 1998, in Australia since 2001 and in Canada since 2007"
688 2011-09-04 19:47:00 <soap> holy shit
689 2011-09-04 19:47:07 <luke-jr> and the Bitcoin page: "if you own a car, it is probably required to come with an immobilizer."
690 2011-09-04 19:47:39 <soap> And nobody has hacked the system yet and used it to attack someone?
691 2011-09-04 19:47:58 <luke-jr> I disagree that Immobilisers have anything to do with this "Smart Property" concept
692 2011-09-04 19:48:07 <soap> oh, this isn't lojack, this is stupid electronic key usage of the word immobilizer.
693 2011-09-04 19:48:20 <luke-jr> immobilisers just stop someone from physically taking property
694 2011-09-04 19:48:21 <soap> Lojack = remote immobilizer.
695 2011-09-04 19:48:39 <TD> yeah, it's just a cryptographic car key, essentially
696 2011-09-04 19:48:45 <TD> except it's usually integrated with a physical key
697 2011-09-04 19:48:46 <soap> This is an electronic key.  My Toyota has that.  Been done cracked years ago.  Worthless.
698 2011-09-04 19:49:00 <TD> well, apparently not, as most car thefts are of cars without them
699 2011-09-04 19:49:09 <JFK911> yeah the immos are rather effective
700 2011-09-04 19:49:14 <TD> these things always go through multiple generations
701 2011-09-04 19:49:21 <JFK911> the japanese ones are garbage but yet its not common for thieves to have these tools
702 2011-09-04 19:49:23 <soap> Going after low-hanging fruit doesn't mean the key is secure.
703 2011-09-04 19:49:33 <TD> given that modern smartcards are virtually unbeatable if you aren't a university or large tech firm, i'm guessing immos can stop most car thieves
704 2011-09-04 19:49:37 <luke-jr> TD: you don't have to outrun the bear, just the slowest of your friends
705 2011-09-04 19:49:51 <TD> good, modern ones anyway.
706 2011-09-04 19:50:12 <JFK911> the immo tags dont really implement cryptography though
707 2011-09-04 19:50:21 <TD> some do
708 2011-09-04 19:50:22 <TD> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immobiliser
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710 2011-09-04 19:50:23 <JFK911> they rely on secrets which they usually exchange in the clear
711 2011-09-04 19:50:26 <TD> see the wikipedia article
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713 2011-09-04 19:50:46 <TD> older ones just used a static secret in the clear
714 2011-09-04 19:50:55 <TD> these days it's possible to do full crypto on RFID powered circuits
715 2011-09-04 19:51:02 <JFK911> they don't
716 2011-09-04 19:51:05 <soap> the rolling code ones have been falling as well.
717 2011-09-04 19:51:27 <soap> I haven't heard of any honest handshaking ones dying, but I haven't read Bruce's blog for a quarter.
718 2011-09-04 19:52:20 <soap> my immobilizer is disabled by a ghetto remote-ignition package.
719 2011-09-04 19:53:03 <JFK911> what did you do, tape a key under the dash? :)
720 2011-09-04 19:53:19 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r879c2ca1bd56 gentoo/net-p2p/ (18 files in 4 dirs): net-p2p/bitcoind and net-p2p/wxbitcoin: 0.4.0_rc1
721 2011-09-04 19:53:23 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rbac66a82b381 gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoind/ (10 files): net-p2p/bitcoind: Bump rev on 0.3.* because of bitcoin.init.d changes
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740 2011-09-04 20:33:41 <CIA-101> bitcoin: aldiyen * r18fcbd95c03d Phoenix-Miner-personal/WorkQueue.py: When we think we've got work from an old block, unset lastBlock to avoid an indefinitely long repeating getwork call under some circumstances
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754 2011-09-04 20:49:00 <xelister> all alternative bitcoins seem destroyed
755 2011-09-04 20:49:08 <JFK911> hooray
756 2011-09-04 20:49:18 <JFK911> i mean
757 2011-09-04 20:49:19 <xelister> actually bitcoin can share same fate one day
758 2011-09-04 20:49:22 <JFK911> told you so lol
759 2011-09-04 20:49:23 <JFK911> of course
760 2011-09-04 20:49:28 <xelister> destroyed by spike of difficulty
761 2011-09-04 20:49:29 <JFK911> it is headed there now
762 2011-09-04 20:49:37 <JFK911> look @ price drop
763 2011-09-04 20:49:42 <JFK911> miners will lose interest soon
764 2011-09-04 20:49:45 <JFK911> and fast
765 2011-09-04 20:49:45 <luke-jr> price hasn't dropped much in a while
766 2011-09-04 20:49:55 <xelister> yea that too. why do you think the price sinks into 8 ?
767 2011-09-04 20:49:56 <JFK911> 2-3 weeks isnt a long time
768 2011-09-04 20:50:05 <luke-jr> JFK911: it is for Bitcoin
769 2011-09-04 20:50:15 <xelister> caused by goxxings?
770 2011-09-04 20:50:22 <xelister> anyway, how about other retargeting algorithm
771 2011-09-04 20:50:42 <cjdelisle> lol
772 2011-09-04 20:50:53 <cjdelisle> thought you said how about other retarded algorithms
773 2011-09-04 20:50:54 <xelister> like - decrease possible ever 10 blocks
774 2011-09-04 20:51:22 <xelister> and if say 6 hours pass without any block - retarget immediatelly
775 2011-09-04 20:51:58 <JFK911> the first thing i'd do is run my clock twice as fgast
776 2011-09-04 20:52:01 <JFK911> *fast
777 2011-09-04 20:52:14 <xelister> rest of network will ignore your blocks same as now this is possible
778 2011-09-04 20:52:27 <luke-jr> JFK911: you can't.
779 2011-09-04 20:52:29 <cjdelisle> yea, you need some way for the network to agree on time and that's not very easy
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781 2011-09-04 20:52:38 <JFK911> what cjdelise said
782 2011-09-04 20:52:43 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: network already agrees on time more or less
783 2011-09-04 20:52:43 <JFK911> *cjdelisle
784 2011-09-04 20:52:59 <xelister> we have the same problem now and it is solved
785 2011-09-04 20:53:47 <xelister> is there any good reason to not retarget even each block in emergency e.g. last block took over 3 hours to find
786 2011-09-04 20:53:58 <xelister> and perhaps even without waiting for a block
787 2011-09-04 20:54:17 <cjdelisle> How exactly does it work? the nodes all slap a timestamp on the block and nobody accepts a block if the timestamp is too far askew?
788 2011-09-04 20:54:41 <xelister> JFK911: it is not 2 weeks. ixcoin can take months to retarget, not it has like 1 block per day (x100 slower then it should be)
789 2011-09-04 20:54:48 <xelister> *now
790 2011-09-04 20:55:05 <xelister> cjdelisle: ye
791 2011-09-04 20:55:34 <JFK911> xelister: i meant 2-3 weeks ago btc were $10-$11; $8 is quite a drop
792 2011-09-04 20:55:42 <xelister> oh
793 2011-09-04 20:55:50 <JFK911> lol @ the other blockchains, though
794 2011-09-04 20:57:46 <cjdelisle> perhaps investers went to alt chains?
795 2011-09-04 20:58:20 <cjdelisle> perhaps it's still searching for equilibrium
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806 2011-09-04 21:03:56 <sha256trust> I'm looking for the "oldest" version of the bitcoin client code on the net. Like the earliest public revision. I've been to "first commit" on Github, and also found a the first commit on Gitorious, but that's only aug30/2009.
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808 2011-09-04 21:04:17 <xelister> sha256trust: seen the svn sources from sf.net ?
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810 2011-09-04 21:05:29 <sha256trust> xelister: no, thanks. That seems to be the start.
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814 2011-09-04 21:09:17 <xelister> hey homies
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816 2011-09-04 21:09:26 <xelister> guys on #namecoin claim merged mining is possible
817 2011-09-04 21:09:27 <xelister> how come?
818 2011-09-04 21:09:42 <xelister> that one hash can at same time try to be a block in namecoin and bitcoin and other -coin.....
819 2011-09-04 21:09:46 <xelister> is that possible?
820 2011-09-04 21:10:13 <xelister> sha256(sha256(data)+nonce) < target,  where   data = hash( your_address + last-block-BTC )  or  data = hash( your_address + last-block-NMC )
821 2011-09-04 21:10:17 <tcatm> xelister: yes (requires some code to be written)
822 2011-09-04 21:10:40 <xelister> how you create data that satisfies both chains at once?   that would mean you can find X,Y so that hash(X+a) = hash(Y+b)  ... so it would mean you can break the hash (sha256 etc)
823 2011-09-04 21:11:01 <xelister> tcatm: on the math theory level, how is that possible? where above deducation that it's impossible is wrong
824 2011-09-04 21:11:07 <gmaxwell> ...
825 2011-09-04 21:11:14 <gmaxwell> xelister: because namecoin changed to make it possible.
826 2011-09-04 21:11:30 <xelister> changed how?
827 2011-09-04 21:11:39 <gmaxwell> xelister: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Alternative_Chains
828 2011-09-04 21:11:42 <xelister> they allow to use last BTC block as previous blocK/
829 2011-09-04 21:11:44 <xelister> ?
830 2011-09-04 21:11:59 <gmaxwell> ...
831 2011-09-04 21:12:13 <gmaxwell> How about you quite down and go read a bit, its been extensively documented.
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833 2011-09-04 21:13:02 <phantomcircuit> xelister, you simply include the bitcoin block hash in the namecoin header
834 2011-09-04 21:13:06 <xelister> gmaxwell: how about a no
835 2011-09-04 21:13:09 * xelister poverizes gmaxwell
836 2011-09-04 21:13:10 <phantomcircuit> then keep the namecoin header very low
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838 2011-09-04 21:13:34 <xelister> phantomcircuit: ah so I guessed correctly =) yupie.
839 2011-09-04 21:13:40 <orkaa> Hi, I'm having problems connecting to the network
840 2011-09-04 21:13:48 <orkaa> using the latest linux version
841 2011-09-04 21:13:52 <orkaa> on 64bit debian
842 2011-09-04 21:14:09 <orkaa> it's just this all over the place: trying connection 64.22.103.150:8333 lastseen=-365325.1hrs lasttry=-365325.1hrs
843 2011-09-04 21:14:09 <orkaa> connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
844 2011-09-04 21:14:10 <phantomcircuit> orkaa, you mean you dont get 8 connections or that you dont get blocks
845 2011-09-04 21:14:20 <phantomcircuit> orkaa, the same ip?
846 2011-09-04 21:14:22 <orkaa> I get zero connections
847 2011-09-04 21:14:31 <orkaa> phantomcircuit: no, many different
848 2011-09-04 21:14:34 <orkaa> but the fun part is
849 2011-09-04 21:14:46 <orkaa> if I try to connect to those ips manually with telnet
850 2011-09-04 21:14:49 <orkaa> it works!
851 2011-09-04 21:14:49 <phantomcircuit> orkaa, the default timeout is 500 ms
852 2011-09-04 21:14:52 <xelister> orkaa: are you about some evil firewall
853 2011-09-04 21:14:55 <phantomcircuit> oh
854 2011-09-04 21:15:14 <phantomcircuit> orkaa, that's an odd error
855 2011-09-04 21:15:34 <orkaa> yep, and its been like this for ~8 hours
856 2011-09-04 21:15:53 <orkaa> any ideas?
857 2011-09-04 21:16:05 <phantomcircuit> which version are you using
858 2011-09-04 21:16:41 <orkaa> bitcoin-0.3.24/bin/64$ ./bitcoind
859 2011-09-04 21:17:17 * xelister reads  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Alternative_Chains
860 2011-09-04 21:17:32 <xelister> the wiki tried to make Nakamoto sounds like an actuall real person... cute ^_^
861 2011-09-04 21:19:27 <orkaa> phantomcircuit: I also get:
862 2011-09-04 21:19:28 <orkaa> IRC connect failed
863 2011-09-04 21:19:28 <orkaa> IRC waiting 138 seconds to reconnect
864 2011-09-04 21:19:29 <orkaa> connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
865 2011-09-04 21:20:00 <orkaa> (it went to a few thousand seconds later.. :) )
866 2011-09-04 21:20:08 <phantomcircuit> orkaa, yeah ConnectSocket is failing for some reason
867 2011-09-04 21:21:02 <phantomcircuit> someone tried to make this code clearer and failed i suspect
868 2011-09-04 21:21:46 <orkaa> :)
869 2011-09-04 21:24:22 <phantomcircuit> orkaa, you wouldn't happen to have selinux on would you?
870 2011-09-04 21:24:32 <orkaa> phantomcircuit: no
871 2011-09-04 21:24:49 <orkaa> phantomcircuit: forgot to tell you, it worked when I first started the client
872 2011-09-04 21:24:54 wtfman[away] is now known as wtfman
873 2011-09-04 21:24:56 <orkaa> it gathered around 45k blocks
874 2011-09-04 21:25:06 <phantomcircuit> so what's changed since then?
875 2011-09-04 21:25:14 <orkaa> _nothing_
876 2011-09-04 21:25:26 <orkaa> it was like, ctrl + c, arrow up, enter
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881 2011-09-04 21:26:13 <xelister> maybe your OS does something strange.. try rebooting and so on? other p2p applications work fine?
882 2011-09-04 21:26:46 <orkaa> everything else is working just fine
883 2011-09-04 21:27:03 <orkaa> as I said, I can connect to the nodes manually
884 2011-09-04 21:27:10 <orkaa> just not through the client
885 2011-09-04 21:29:05 <phantomcircuit> lol the windows code here is just wrong
886 2011-09-04 21:29:23 <phantomcircuit> wait
887 2011-09-04 21:29:32 <phantomcircuit> right #define WSAGetLAstError
888 2011-09-04 21:29:34 <phantomcircuit> i hate that shit
889 2011-09-04 21:29:45 <orkaa> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34066.0
890 2011-09-04 21:29:52 <orkaa> maybe this guy if affected :)
891 2011-09-04 21:29:55 <orkaa> is*
892 2011-09-04 21:30:55 <orkaa> at least his client joins irc
893 2011-09-04 21:30:56 <phantomcircuit> is that about when it stopped working for you as well?
894 2011-09-04 21:31:19 <orkaa> phantomcircuit: no, I installed it today
895 2011-09-04 21:31:26 <phantomcircuit> interesting
896 2011-09-04 21:32:46 <phantomcircuit> no idea
897 2011-09-04 21:32:56 <phantomcircuit> probably some kind of threading deadlock
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914 2011-09-04 22:06:58 <iocor> while trying to graph every bitcoin transaction: a malloc call trying to allocate 18446744070129922048 bytes of ram failed....
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917 2011-09-04 22:09:53 <soap> lol
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921 2011-09-04 22:20:55 <luke-jr> iocor: been there, done that
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928 2011-09-04 22:43:41 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * raf0026bf99e6 cgminer/adl.c: Change default hysteresis to 3 degrees for lower average fanspeeds.
929 2011-09-04 22:43:44 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * rf92a49fac0e0 cgminer/adl.c: Limit fanspeed to 85% properly when temperature is below overheat levels.
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937 2011-09-04 23:00:01 <midnightmagic> i haven't been specifically following bug reports on bitcoind for a little while. is the github version head okay to run in production atm/
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939 2011-09-04 23:00:36 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: by definition, head is going to be relatively untested
940 2011-09-04 23:00:53 <midnightmagic> yeah but any known bugs right now? like problems?
941 2011-09-04 23:00:58 <midnightmagic> i have no issue running untested code.
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946 2011-09-04 23:01:14 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: yes
947 2011-09-04 23:01:14 <midnightmagic> but i'd prefer to avoid known flashing construction signs where possible. :)
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951 2011-09-04 23:01:32 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: there's a laundry list of issues in 0.4.0_rc1
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955 2011-09-04 23:03:06 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
956 2011-09-04 23:03:07 <gribble> 143967
957 2011-09-04 23:03:18 <luke-jr> 62 connections and only 143963
958 2011-09-04 23:03:20 <luke-jr> :o
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960 2011-09-04 23:07:10 <midnightmagic> interesting...
961 2011-09-04 23:08:18 <jrmithdobbs> midnightmagic: deadlocks
962 2011-09-04 23:08:49 <midnightmagic> i thought those were all fixed back when Art did his audits?
963 2011-09-04 23:09:07 <midnightmagic> must be new ones.
964 2011-09-04 23:09:07 <jrmithdobbs> nope
965 2011-09-04 23:09:17 <jrmithdobbs> gavin reworked the locking code
966 2011-09-04 23:09:38 <midnightmagic> gah, and this introduced new locking problems or did it just expose old ones that weren't clear before?
967 2011-09-04 23:10:10 <jrmithdobbs> yes
968 2011-09-04 23:10:28 <midnightmagic> so both then. brutal.
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971 2011-09-04 23:13:41 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas adl_support * r2b9522b73298 cgminer/adl.c: Remove the safety checks in speed setting since confirmation is done first in the menu, then show the new current values after a short pause.
972 2011-09-04 23:18:31 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: seems there were new ones since 0.3.20
973 2011-09-04 23:18:40 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: gavin fixed those, but missed a couple I guess
974 2011-09-04 23:22:45 <wardearia> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41456.new#new
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