1 2011-09-09 00:00:33 <nanotube> Matth1a3: :)
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  22 2011-09-09 00:19:07 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r2fafdab985a2 cgminer/adl.c: Allow adapterid 0 cards to enumerate as a device as they will be non-AMD cards, and enable ADL on any AMD card.
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  26 2011-09-09 00:23:29 <alexwaters> ;;bc,calcd 76 .125
  27 2011-09-09 00:23:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 76 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of .125, is 1 hour, 57 minutes, and 44 seconds
  28 2011-09-09 00:23:42 <alexwaters> damn...
  29 2011-09-09 00:29:21 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r1917643dd0df cgminer/ (main.c miner.h): Do away with the increasingly confusing and irrelevant total queued and efficiency measures per device.
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  55 2011-09-09 01:44:55 <Matth1a3> anyone know of a way to either increase the speed of the python miner, or decrease the diff of the testnet-in-a-box?
  56 2011-09-09 01:46:21 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: if you hated patent law before, you'll really hate it now
  57 2011-09-09 01:46:30 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: welcome to the united states of first to file
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  63 2011-09-09 02:00:31 <Disposition> Oh, I'll be at the Open Video Conference giving updates and doing live tweeting n stuff, dunno who else is going.
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  68 2011-09-09 02:07:34 <Lopuz> twitter should clearly be transport layer of bitcoin instead of irc
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  70 2011-09-09 02:08:02 <phantomcircuit> Lopuz, irc is not the transport layer
  71 2011-09-09 02:08:09 <phantomcircuit> why do people still think that ???
  72 2011-09-09 02:08:27 <Lopuz> im not talking osi model here, but is it not really?
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  77 2011-09-09 02:09:08 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r25c77ae85f39 cgminer/ (adl.c main.c): Only display values in the log if they're supported and standardise device log line printing.
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  82 2011-09-09 02:14:54 <lfm> Lopuz: irc is only used to find other nodes when you are starting out, bitcoin then opens a custom bitcoin only port for all bitcoin protocol communications
  83 2011-09-09 02:14:55 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: ?
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  85 2011-09-09 02:17:16 <lfm> Matth1a3: bitcoin in a box starts out with difficulty 0.125 doesnt it? why would you need less?
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  87 2011-09-09 02:19:08 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rab67b14460a5 cgminer/main.c: Make RPM 4 characters wide in curses status for neatness.
  88 2011-09-09 02:19:36 <LOLROFL> Anyone know off the top of their head, is per account encryption on the roadmap yet?
  89 2011-09-09 02:19:55 <Matth1a3> lfm: because at that rate I am waiting 2 hours to generate a block with the python miner
  90 2011-09-09 02:20:03 <Matth1a3> it's mining at 86kh/s
  91 2011-09-09 02:20:30 <Matth1a3> and I need two blocks
  92 2011-09-09 02:20:30 <lfm> Matth1a3: what is that a pentium II?
  93 2011-09-09 02:20:37 <Matth1a3> lol no
  94 2011-09-09 02:20:52 <LOLROFL> kh/s?
  95 2011-09-09 02:20:53 <lfm> ? its that slow
  96 2011-09-09 02:20:54 <Matth1a3> i generate a block per minute using -gen
  97 2011-09-09 02:20:59 <LOLROFL> That's slow as fuck
  98 2011-09-09 02:21:03 <Matth1a3> with the python miner, yes
  99 2011-09-09 02:21:13 <lfm> what cpu? gpu?
 100 2011-09-09 02:21:18 <Matth1a3> meh, nvm - i'll get a different miner
 101 2011-09-09 02:21:43 <Matth1a3> lol i have 4x3.2ghz 6950x2
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 103 2011-09-09 02:22:08 <lfm> Matth1a3: to make a LOWWER diff youd have to make a new genisis block. Im not sure exactly how youd do that
 104 2011-09-09 02:22:20 <Matth1a3> ok, thanks
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 106 2011-09-09 02:24:55 <lfm> that python miner is prolly only using one of your cpu and its not optimized at all then Id guess.
 107 2011-09-09 02:25:23 <lfm> you might try starting 4 of them up to use all your cores
 108 2011-09-09 02:25:50 <lfm> it prolly wont use the gpus
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 111 2011-09-09 02:28:06 <lfm> and 4x3.2 ghz could be like a dual p4 (two p4 chips with hyperthreading) they'd be pretty bad by todays standards.
 112 2011-09-09 02:29:06 <lfm> I doubt thats what you meant
 113 2011-09-09 02:30:20 <lfm> if you meant the bitcointalk.org/?topic=1334.0 - Cached
 114 2011-09-09 02:30:21 <lfm> You +1'd this publicly. Undo
 115 2011-09-09 02:30:21 <lfm> 20 posts - 8 authors - Last post: 5 Oct 2010
 116 2011-09-09 02:30:21 <lfm> I hope someone will try this wonderful OpenCL bitcoin miner. It uses PyOpenCl. Should be generally platform independent. The OpenCL kernel ...
 117 2011-09-09 02:30:21 <lfm> Get more discussion results
 118 2011-09-09 02:30:38 <lfm> ►oops, bad paste, sorry
 119 2011-09-09 02:31:12 <lfm> if you meant the python opencl miner then it should be doing a hell of a lot more than 86kh/s
 120 2011-09-09 02:32:23 <lfm> Matth1a3: hello?
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 123 2011-09-09 02:39:09 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * re7ec2d0471eb cgminer/README: Update README.
 124 2011-09-09 02:39:10 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rc486e5580247 cgminer/NEWS: Update NEWS.
 125 2011-09-09 02:39:12 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r5abf83860ba6 cgminer/configure.ac: Bump version to 2.0.1
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 128 2011-09-09 02:49:23 <Matth1a3> lfm: sorry was afk - ok i will try running more instances of it
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 131 2011-09-09 02:51:30 <lfm> Matth1a3: do you mean the python opencl miner?
 132 2011-09-09 02:53:24 <Matth1a3> there is a miner in the bitcoin 0.4.0rc1 /contrib/pyminer folder
 133 2011-09-09 02:53:51 <lfm> oh
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 135 2011-09-09 02:54:25 <lfm> I dont think your spozed to try to use it. just make your own efficient miner based on it
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 137 2011-09-09 02:55:09 <Matth1a3> i'll just use poclbm, np
 138 2011-09-09 02:55:48 <lfm> much better choice
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 162 2011-09-09 04:03:52 <pavel> hey, have a question - what is pnSeed[] array? These are seed nodes, but who controls them and what theses nodes are? Just regular bitcoin daemon?
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 164 2011-09-09 04:04:52 <freewil> pavel, yes i believe they are just regular bitcoin daemons that have been deemed reliable by the devs
 165 2011-09-09 04:05:14 <freewil> as in they are pseudo-permanent with high uptime
 166 2011-09-09 04:05:33 <pavel> thanx freewil!
 167 2011-09-09 04:05:39 <pavel> kinda too many... )
 168 2011-09-09 04:05:44 <pavel> whatever )
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 176 2011-09-09 04:16:25 <newmine> hi everybody, i'm trying to write a bitcoin mining program but i'm kinda new to bitcoins, does any one have an example of the workload that a pool server sends to the miners?
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 179 2011-09-09 04:18:36 <Disposition> newmine: many of the miners is open source, look at pushpool for more information.
 180 2011-09-09 04:18:48 <newmine> ok, thanks
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 182 2011-09-09 04:22:12 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt makomk> devrandom: the Windows build of miniupnpc tries to execute a Windows binary, and the Linux build is broken due to the use of -f when unpacking the 64-bit  wxWidgets.
 183 2011-09-09 04:22:12 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 184 2011-09-09 04:22:30 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt makomk> devrandom: see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42198.msg514312#msg514312
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 193 2011-09-09 04:46:07 <newmine> i was looking at the source for jsminer earlier and i was able to reverse-enginere some of it, but i got stuck at the part where jsminer just used eval() to do all the work in the workload.  can anybody help me understand what type of math operations need to be done in the workload?
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 289 2011-09-09 09:57:52 <gribble> Current Blocks: 144595 | Current Difficulty: 1777774.4820015 | Next Difficulty At Block: 145151 | Next Difficulty In: 556 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 22 hours, 21 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1769463.14053417
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 313 2011-09-09 10:40:37 <gribble> Error: "bc,totlbc" is not a valid command.
 314 2011-09-09 10:40:42 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,totalbc] * [ticker --last]
 315 2011-09-09 10:40:44 <gribble> 7,230,100.00000000 * 5.98 = 43,235,998
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 322 2011-09-09 11:14:37 <kinlo> how much diskspace is a wallet directory supposed to take?
 323 2011-09-09 11:14:43 <kinlo> I'm now already over 5 gig
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 325 2011-09-09 11:15:07 <kinlo> this starts to be getting quite large for just a small tool
 326 2011-09-09 11:15:29 <lfm> kinlo you spamming addresses?
 327 2011-09-09 11:15:52 <kinlo> ?
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 329 2011-09-09 11:15:58 <kinlo> I'm not doing anything special
 330 2011-09-09 11:16:20 <lfm> have you delt out tiny amounts of bitcoin to thousands of bitcoin addresses?
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 332 2011-09-09 11:16:34 <kinlo> no
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 334 2011-09-09 11:17:02 <Eliel> my .bitcoin is 2.4GB, no wallet usage on this system.
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 336 2011-09-09 11:17:10 <kinlo> besides, most of the diskspace goes to the database/ dir
 337 2011-09-09 11:17:15 <lfm> Oh you mean the whole directory?
 338 2011-09-09 11:17:23 <kinlo> yeah
 339 2011-09-09 11:17:43 <Eliel> what's the database dir for?
 340 2011-09-09 11:17:56 <lfm>  the wallet file is your wallet. the blk*.dat files are the block chain and the log files are log files
 341 2011-09-09 11:17:56 <kinlo> There are berkley files in it
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 343 2011-09-09 11:18:09 <kinlo> but I haven't spent time figuring out what is wat
 344 2011-09-09 11:18:26 <lfm> the database dir is for database recovery in case of crashes
 345 2011-09-09 11:19:11 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rbcba6f83fbc3 cgminer/main.c: Exit cleanly if we abort before various threads are set up or if they no longer exist.
 346 2011-09-09 11:19:14 <kinlo> yeah, but it is too large :)
 347 2011-09-09 11:19:26 <lfm> fi you stop bitcoin for a moment you can just delete the database subdirectory
 348 2011-09-09 11:19:42 <kinlo> besides, database can be rebuild, as long as you have the blockchain, which is still just one file
 349 2011-09-09 11:20:02 <lfm> well , ya but it would take a while
 350 2011-09-09 11:20:23 <Eliel> I think there should be some automatic cleanup of the database directory.
 351 2011-09-09 11:20:37 <lfm> the block chain is actually two files. the raw data in blk0001.dat and the index blkindex.dat
 352 2011-09-09 11:20:56 <kinlo> yeah, but file corruption isn't supposed to happen anyway :)
 353 2011-09-09 11:21:06 <kinlo> what's in addr.dat?
 354 2011-09-09 11:21:08 <lfm> there is a partial automatic cleanup if you just start and stop and do nothing else
 355 2011-09-09 11:21:24 <lfm> addr.dat is network addresses of peer nodes
 356 2011-09-09 11:21:31 <kinlo> right
 357 2011-09-09 11:22:14 <Eliel> was about time to restart bitcoind it seems, the VPS it's running on was close to running out of memory :P
 358 2011-09-09 11:22:36 <lfm> well ya, mistakes arnt suposed to happen. never hurts to have some insurance tho.
 359 2011-09-09 11:23:39 <lfm> ever hear that the definition of a trivial program is one without bugs?
 360 2011-09-09 11:23:51 <kinlo> so basicly the wallet.dat is the only file that contains more then just one thing?
 361 2011-09-09 11:24:04 <lfm> kinlo no
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 363 2011-09-09 11:24:34 <kinlo> what's in the other databases then?
 364 2011-09-09 11:24:46 <lfm> blk0001.dat contains block and transations and timestamps and hashes and lots of stuff
 365 2011-09-09 11:24:58 <kinlo> it contains only blocks
 366 2011-09-09 11:25:04 <lfm> just the three databases afaik
 367 2011-09-09 11:25:06 <kinlo> a block contains transactions
 368 2011-09-09 11:25:22 <kinlo> but still the database only contains blocks
 369 2011-09-09 11:25:26 <lfm> and block headers
 370 2011-09-09 11:25:36 <kinlo> block headers are a part of the block
 371 2011-09-09 11:25:39 <lfm> and file marks
 372 2011-09-09 11:25:42 <kinlo> the first part :p
 373 2011-09-09 11:25:48 <kinlo> what file marks do you mean?
 374 2011-09-09 11:26:10 <lfm> there are 4 special bytes outside the blocks between each block
 375 2011-09-09 11:26:39 <kinlo> markers to reconstruct corrupt blockchains?
 376 2011-09-09 11:26:56 <lfm> pretty useless afaik
 377 2011-09-09 11:27:27 <lfm> if your blk*.dat files are that corrupt you should just erase them and start over
 378 2011-09-09 11:28:09 <gmaxwell> I thought it coded the length then the data.
 379 2011-09-09 11:28:57 <lfm> the length is separate from the "marks"
 380 2011-09-09 11:29:35 <lfm>  f9 be b4 d9 (for the regular blk0001.dat
 381 2011-09-09 11:29:46 <lfm> slightly different for testnet
 382 2011-09-09 11:30:30 <lfm>  fa bf b5 da for testnet
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 384 2011-09-09 11:32:54 <lfm> the same 4 bytes are used as protocol markers on block on the p2p net also
 385 2011-09-09 11:33:22 <lfm> but they are outside the blocks per se
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 397 2011-09-09 12:08:10 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
 398 2011-09-09 12:08:10 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.04,"low":5.30287,"avg":6.413677561,"vwap":6.20441172,"vol":105551,"last":5.548,"buy":5.52264,"sell":5.548}}
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 415 2011-09-09 12:40:19 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,totalbc] * [ticker --last]
 416 2011-09-09 12:40:21 <gribble> 7,231,050.00000000 * 5.54 = 40,060,017
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 437 2011-09-09 13:19:24 <Blitzboom> any dev sold his bitcoins?
 438 2011-09-09 13:19:45 <Blitzboom> be honest
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 441 2011-09-09 13:23:55 <MT`AwAy> my bitcoind uses 1GB of ram
 442 2011-09-09 13:24:27 <UukGoblin> my uses 94MB
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 445 2011-09-09 13:26:18 <iddo> MT`AwAy: is that the bitcoind that handles mtgox deposits and withdrawals?
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 447 2011-09-09 13:27:00 <MT`AwAy> iddo: one of them
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 449 2011-09-09 13:27:15 <MT`AwAy> the oldest one, in fact
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 452 2011-09-09 13:29:36 <doublec> ne of mine uses 1GB too
 453 2011-09-09 13:29:39 <doublec> s/ne/one
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 463 2011-09-09 13:43:07 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r5a3dea4 / (src/main.cpp src/main.h src/rpc.cpp): Merge branch 'unique_coinbase' of git://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jr-bitcoin into unique_coinbase - http://git.io/TbRfyg
 464 2011-09-09 13:43:07 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rb7598ce / (src/main.cpp src/main.h src/rpc.cpp):
 465 2011-09-09 13:43:07 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Merge pull request #505 from gavinandresen/unique_coinbase
 466 2011-09-09 13:43:07 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Unique coinbase: Fixes #482 - http://git.io/eCvEBg
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 494 2011-09-09 14:32:28 <BTC967> My client isn't updating blocks since it has been installed and the original blocks were downloaded. It's behind about 300 right now. Does anyone know why this may be?
 495 2011-09-09 14:32:52 <UukGoblin> BTC967, have you got any connections?
 496 2011-09-09 14:33:15 <UukGoblin> and yes, there were problems reported with blockchain downloads
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 498 2011-09-09 14:33:38 <BTC967> I've tried restarting the program, and I believe I have the latest version (0.3.24). My connections were originally at 8 but now they are hovering between 1 and 2. I do not have a router hooked up and I'm not sure how I can port forward without one, if even possible.
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 500 2011-09-09 14:34:29 <UukGoblin> yeah, there's definitely a problem somewhere. I don't know any more though, sorry
 501 2011-09-09 14:34:43 <BTC967> Is it on my end or are many people having the same problem?
 502 2011-09-09 14:35:08 <UukGoblin> some people are having this problem, not sure how many
 503 2011-09-09 14:35:22 <UukGoblin> try using "fallback nodes" perhaps
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 506 2011-09-09 14:39:42 <d33tah> hi
 507 2011-09-09 14:39:46 <BTC967> I'm reading the how to on the bitcoin.it but where do I implement the nodes? Sorry I don't have much experience with anything technical.
 508 2011-09-09 14:40:08 <d33tah> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42284.0 - do you think this system could be useful for beginner developers?
 509 2011-09-09 14:43:23 <UukGoblin> BTC967, you have to add them on the commandline when you start bitcoin
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 512 2011-09-09 14:48:16 <BTC967> In command prompt? There's no command line in my btc client afaik
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 518 2011-09-09 14:57:30 <UukGoblin> BTC967, yes, in your system's command prompt
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 520 2011-09-09 14:57:54 <wasabi2> I'm not sure what a bounty is, so I can't answer that, at least.
 521 2011-09-09 14:57:57 <UukGoblin> cmd in winblows, gnome-terminal or konsole or some other terminal in linux
 522 2011-09-09 14:58:29 <wasabi2> Oh. I get it.
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 524 2011-09-09 14:59:19 <wasabi2> I think whatever effort you'd put into developing a bounty system would be more useful in solving the things which might potentially be on said bounty system. ;)
 525 2011-09-09 15:00:02 <UukGoblin> I'm just eating a Bounty
 526 2011-09-09 15:00:08 <UukGoblin> nom nom
 527 2011-09-09 15:00:20 <wasabi2> I'm cleaning my desk with bounty.
 528 2011-09-09 15:00:39 <wasabi2> It's the quicker picker upper.
 529 2011-09-09 15:01:08 <UukGoblin> wasabi2, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Bounty-Wrapper-Small.jpg <- that's my Bounty, how does your look?
 530 2011-09-09 15:02:02 <wasabi2> http://goodsilove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/bounty-paper-towel.jpg
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 534 2011-09-09 15:11:19 <ThomasV> do you guys know who is behind bitcoinvps.net ? any experience with them ?
 535 2011-09-09 15:13:21 <UukGoblin> wasabi2, heh, cool
 536 2011-09-09 15:13:52 <UukGoblin> ThomasV, nope, and the site is blocked by my company's Websense for "Potentially Damaging Content"
 537 2011-09-09 15:14:01 <UukGoblin> solidcoin.info was blocked for the same reason
 538 2011-09-09 15:14:12 <UukGoblin> although that doesn't necessarily have to mean anything
 539 2011-09-09 15:14:20 <UukGoblin> other than Websense is crap
 540 2011-09-09 15:14:27 <ThomasV> what is wensense ?
 541 2011-09-09 15:14:43 <UukGoblin> some proxy-type website filtering solution
 542 2011-09-09 15:14:52 <UukGoblin> so that you can't browse pr0n in the office
 543 2011-09-09 15:15:08 <UukGoblin> or install viruses on company windows boxes (which I don't have)
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 546 2011-09-09 15:20:09 <luke-jr> ThomasV: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps ;)
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 548 2011-09-09 15:22:52 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, why are your prices higher in btc than in usd
 549 2011-09-09 15:23:25 <mtrlt> btc is a lot more volatile you know
 550 2011-09-09 15:24:06 <phantomcircuit> it's like twice the price
 551 2011-09-09 15:24:16 <mtrlt> and?
 552 2011-09-09 15:24:42 <phantomcircuit> you dont need to double the pirce to cover the float lol
 553 2011-09-09 15:24:42 <mtrlt> btc is not a very good store of value right now
 554 2011-09-09 15:27:21 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: make me an offer ;)
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 556 2011-09-09 15:27:46 <luke-jr> IIRC I updated prices when BTC was ~$2 last
 557 2011-09-09 15:27:48 <luke-jr> :P
 558 2011-09-09 15:27:49 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin-Sanitytest build #19: FAILURE in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Sanitytest/19/
 559 2011-09-09 15:28:34 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rb609c194b301 gentoo/net-p2p/ (4 files in 2 dirs): net-p2p/bitcoind and net-p2p/wxbitcoin: 0.4.0_rc2
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 572 2011-09-09 15:50:27 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: did you see the news?
 573 2011-09-09 15:51:10 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: us to become first to file re: patents unless obama grows some balls and vetos
 574 2011-09-09 15:51:22 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: yeah
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 576 2011-09-09 15:51:43 <luke-jr> basically destroys prior art argument :|
 577 2011-09-09 15:51:58 <jrmithdobbs> best part is the legislation adds an appeals process
 578 2011-09-09 15:52:01 <jrmithdobbs> but makes it worthless
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 580 2011-09-09 15:52:43 <jrmithdobbs> because you have to prove (to some as-yet-undefined standard) that they derived their "process" based on information from you (the inventor) DIRECTLY
 581 2011-09-09 15:52:48 <jrmithdobbs> lol
 582 2011-09-09 15:52:56 <jrmithdobbs> corporate protectionism at it's best :(
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 605 2011-09-09 16:26:11 <CIA-101> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r765484a / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java :
 606 2011-09-09 16:26:11 <CIA-101> DiabloMiner: Fixes #33: make rollntime default to 60 second expire instead of copying
 607 2011-09-09 16:26:11 <CIA-101> DiabloMiner: -g in cases where LP was not also enabled - http://git.io/gEuw4A
 608 2011-09-09 16:28:48 <dikidera> nice job on bitcoin.org
 609 2011-09-09 16:28:53 <dikidera> like the new design
 610 2011-09-09 16:29:10 <dikidera> i think i might snatch some stuff for future websites if i have any like that
 611 2011-09-09 16:29:39 <da2ce7_> I prefered the old design... it was more clean.
 612 2011-09-09 16:29:47 <dikidera> this one
 613 2011-09-09 16:29:49 <dikidera> is web 2.0
 614 2011-09-09 16:29:52 <dikidera> much better
 615 2011-09-09 16:29:54 <dikidera> and very 2011
 616 2011-09-09 16:29:56 <da2ce7_> bah
 617 2011-09-09 16:29:57 <da2ce7_> :P
 618 2011-09-09 16:30:10 * da2ce7_ not care about 'web 2.0'
 619 2011-09-09 16:30:19 <da2ce7_> just give me a static page with the main info.
 620 2011-09-09 16:30:35 <da2ce7_> also the old site had a nice big bitcoin logo.
 621 2011-09-09 16:30:35 <da2ce7_> :)
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 623 2011-09-09 16:31:50 <Guest32812> I think the first sentence could use some work... being invented by Satoshi is not a key feature.
 624 2011-09-09 16:32:13 <Guest32812> that it can be transferred globally in about an hour is.
 625 2011-09-09 16:32:32 <pasky> I agree
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 628 2011-09-09 16:34:05 <tcatm> dikidera: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/
 629 2011-09-09 16:34:09 <pasky> I'd just shorten it: Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer digital currency, where no central authority issues...
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 634 2011-09-09 16:35:02 <tcatm> pasky: you can make pull requests on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.github.com
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 636 2011-09-09 16:35:37 <pasky> I have a paper to submit by tomorrow, unfortunately :)
 637 2011-09-09 16:35:57 <Guest32812> Bitcoin is an Internet currency that uses peer-to-peer technology to enable instant payments at virtually no cost.
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 639 2011-09-09 16:36:19 <BlueMatt> Guest32812: ?
 640 2011-09-09 16:36:34 <pasky> BlueMatt: we are bikeshedding the first bitcoin.org sentence
 641 2011-09-09 16:36:44 <BlueMatt> ah
 642 2011-09-09 16:37:16 <BlueMatt> "Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer network that acts as a distributed notary service"
 643 2011-09-09 16:37:26 <BlueMatt> also, whats wrong with the current one
 644 2011-09-09 16:37:30 <Guest32812> you could add the word startup and remove instant if you want to go more realistic
 645 2011-09-09 16:37:53 <BlueMatt> and tcatm the page looks wrong when you load it initially in chrome, but works after you refresh...havent looked at why yet...
 646 2011-09-09 16:37:54 <Guest32812> BlueMatt: being invented by Satoshi isn't a key feature...while of course we all respect what he did
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 648 2011-09-09 16:38:10 <BlueMatt> mm fair enough
 649 2011-09-09 16:38:59 <tcatm> BlueMatt: CSS is rendered client-side in javascript. Getting jekyll to do render it server-side (from .less files) would be the best solution but I didn't have time to figure it out yet.
 650 2011-09-09 16:39:17 <Guest32812> funnily enough, if he weren't anonymous, i doubt his name would be there
 651 2011-09-09 16:39:27 <BlueMatt> tcatm: was just reporting...Ill go file a bug rep.
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 654 2011-09-09 16:41:31 <tcatm> Guest32812: if you'd like to rephrase the whole paragraph you could either make a pull request or tell me in a query
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 656 2011-09-09 16:42:45 <Guest32812> tcatm: just git cloned it
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 659 2011-09-09 16:54:39 <piuk> Anyone want to help me with an experiment? Need someone to send 1 BTC from one address to another and post the address here
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 663 2011-09-09 16:59:46 <jrmithdobbs> piuk: why
 664 2011-09-09 17:01:26 <piuk> I want to see if i can correctly trace the originating ip - http://pi.uk.com/bitcoin/unconfirmed-transactions
 665 2011-09-09 17:03:05 <JFK911> we don't want you to be able to do that.
 666 2011-09-09 17:03:15 <JFK911> please stop trying, thanks! :)
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 668 2011-09-09 17:04:26 <piuk> :) If it can be done then the protocol can be improved to fix it.
 669 2011-09-09 17:05:14 <Guest32812> tcatm: did a pull request
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 688 2011-09-09 17:22:43 <luke-jr> piuk: [13:13:56] <ljrbot> Txn fe9eb0bd8033501de4e404d715b7a60f5b10274af1eb96602b20d9f0a6111a2d: 1D8du4yU1jJv1qo8kTjDCkcN5dZS1P2qJs 10.00 BTC, 15DEjQ8yfSs1GofGZbb5oBWedrqKZZMBUZ 0.01000197 BTC
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 692 2011-09-09 17:24:42 <piuk> thanks luke-jr. So i've got 213.191.16.40 ?
 693 2011-09-09 17:24:59 <luke-jr> nope, I ain't russian
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 698 2011-09-09 17:43:04 <luke-jr> piuk: want me to make that an option for Eligius's stats links?
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 702 2011-09-09 17:47:10 <piuk> luke-jr: A link from eligius? sure
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 704 2011-09-09 17:47:59 <luke-jr> piuk: do you have BE-compatible URIs?
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 706 2011-09-09 17:51:18 <piuk> luke-jr: Not really. If you want to link to a bloc, address or tx then "http://pi.uk.com/search/bitcoin/$HASH" is the best way
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 709 2011-09-09 17:51:57 <piuk> sorry i mean http://pi.uk.com/bitcoin/search/$hash
 710 2011-09-09 17:52:18 <luke-jr> piuk: any chance you could /block/X and /address/X somewhere in there? :>
 711 2011-09-09 17:52:49 <piuk> sure, give me 2 mins
 712 2011-09-09 17:55:04 <aps> i hate ebay too
 713 2011-09-09 17:55:14 <piuk> luke-jr: ok you can now
 714 2011-09-09 17:55:21 <luke-jr> example?
 715 2011-09-09 17:55:45 <piuk> http://pi.uk.com/bitcoin/block/0000000000000366f1328adfb978b8b17035173d647609e34f43b8306699ec0c
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 717 2011-09-09 17:56:13 <piuk> http://pi.uk.com/bitcoin/address/1AJbsFZ64EpEfS5UAjAfcUG8pH8Jn3rn1F
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 719 2011-09-09 17:56:45 <luke-jr> piuk: I'll make your site the default if you display coinbase as ASCII ;)
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 722 2011-09-09 17:57:59 <Joric> that's a pretty cool transaction, 2.3m BTC http://blockexplorer.com/b/142742
 723 2011-09-09 17:58:02 <piuk> luke-jr: unfortunately i don't record the coin base, as i don't know what it does lol
 724 2011-09-09 17:58:13 <luke-jr> piuk: it doesn't do anything ;)
 725 2011-09-09 17:58:27 <luke-jr> piuk: it's just an arbitrary data field in generation
 726 2011-09-09 17:58:40 <xelister> on #btc-value we discuss expected value of ฿ and how to increase it. Everyone's invited
 727 2011-09-09 17:58:44 <luke-jr> piuk: sometimes used for propaganda and other such nonsense
 728 2011-09-09 17:58:50 <luke-jr> xelister: BTC != Baht
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 731 2011-09-09 17:59:48 <piuk> luke-jr: ok i see, i'll add it in when i get chance
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 750 2011-09-09 18:11:05 <aps> ive gotten here
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 753 2011-09-09 18:12:57 <luke-jr> piuk_: actually, I forgot: you don't support TBC :P
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 755 2011-09-09 18:13:54 <piuk_> TBC?
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 757 2011-09-09 18:14:19 <BlueMatt> dont ask
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 764 2011-09-09 18:25:19 <BlueMatt> ;;seen devrandom
 765 2011-09-09 18:25:19 <gribble> devrandom was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 14 hours, 2 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt makomk> devrandom: see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42198.msg514312#msg514312
 766 2011-09-09 18:26:35 <luke-jr> piuk_: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_Bitcoin
 767 2011-09-09 18:27:08 <ThomasV> with bitcoin-abe, is there an easy way to restart the block import process at a desired block number
 768 2011-09-09 18:27:12 <ThomasV> ?
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 774 2011-09-09 18:29:23 <luke-jr> piuk_: eg, http://tonal.pident.artefact2.com/
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 777 2011-09-09 18:30:23 <piuk_> luke-jr: I think i'll stick with decminal
 778 2011-09-09 18:30:57 <luke-jr> piuk_: you can provide an option like pident ;)
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 782 2011-09-09 18:32:42 <piuk_> luke-jr: maybe, i can't imagine many people actually use it though
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 784 2011-09-09 18:33:55 <luke-jr> piuk_: many people don't use Bitcoin at all ;)
 785 2011-09-09 18:34:04 <piuk_> true
 786 2011-09-09 18:34:19 <bx_> Anyone selling mtgox for $ ?
 787 2011-09-09 18:34:20 <luke-jr> anyhow, you're the 3rd option on http://eligius.st/~artefact2/noauthSettings
 788 2011-09-09 18:34:50 <luke-jr> piuk_: I'll leave Pident as default for now, since it supports coinbase text and TBC
 789 2011-09-09 18:35:29 <piuk_> luke-jr: cool, thanks
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 798 2011-09-09 18:54:17 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r0295912 / (contrib/gitian-win32.yml contrib/gitian.yml):
 799 2011-09-09 18:54:17 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Update gitian build descriptors to produce proper builds.
 800 2011-09-09 18:54:17 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Thanks to makomk for finding the bugs here and devrandom
 801 2011-09-09 18:54:17 <CIA-101> bitcoin: for passing them along (see
 802 2011-09-09 18:54:17 <CIA-101> bitcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42198.msg514312#msg514312) - http://git.io/6fVclA
 803 2011-09-09 18:54:17 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rb56658b / (contrib/gitian-win32.yml contrib/gitian.yml):
 804 2011-09-09 18:54:18 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Merge pull request #508 from TheBlueMatt/master
 805 2011-09-09 18:54:18 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Update gitian build descriptors to produce proper builds. - http://git.io/JHaC-g
 806 2011-09-09 18:54:35 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r95cea79 / doc/build-unix.txt :
 807 2011-09-09 18:54:36 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Merge pull request #509 from cjdelisle/walletCrypto-wx-minVersion
 808 2011-09-09 18:54:36 <CIA-101> bitcoin: wxWidgets needs to be at least version 2.9.1 because wallet crypto uses T - http://git.io/omB11g
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 811 2011-09-09 18:56:26 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ping
 812 2011-09-09 18:56:32 <gavinandresen> hey matt
 813 2011-09-09 18:57:19 <BlueMatt> for 0.4, Id like to release full gitian builds in such a way that gitian-download can download and verify new versions according to signatures in the build...
 814 2011-09-09 18:57:57 <gavinandresen> ok.  what is gitian-download? and what do you mean by 'signatures in the build' ?
 815 2011-09-09 18:58:04 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/blob/master/doc/DOWNLOADER.md
 816 2011-09-09 18:58:32 <BlueMatt> its a script which downloads new versions, checks the signatures (gpg) in the build and if they reach a certain trust level (ie enough sigs) then it will install the new files
 817 2011-09-09 18:58:54 <BlueMatt> this means a zip of the build in gitian form has to be uploaded somewhere...
 818 2011-09-09 18:59:18 <BlueMatt> (hopefully this would eventually form the basis for auto-updating on win32)
 819 2011-09-09 18:59:23 <gavinandresen> I just discovered the well-hidden "upload a file" feature of github
 820 2011-09-09 18:59:29 <BlueMatt> (yes confirm with user, etc, etc, etc)
 821 2011-09-09 18:59:39 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: does that mean there's official 0.4 rc tarballs?
 822 2011-09-09 18:59:52 <gavinandresen> And github is always https.  I think.
 823 2011-09-09 18:59:58 <BlueMatt> correct
 824 2011-09-09 19:00:05 <BlueMatt> (afaik)
 825 2011-09-09 19:00:18 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: I guess, I've never checked to make sure github's "auto-create-a-tarball" feature works.  I assume it does
 826 2011-09-09 19:00:23 <Blitzboom> gavinandresen: still holding your coins? i’m curious
 827 2011-09-09 19:00:31 <gavinandresen> holding what coins?
 828 2011-09-09 19:00:35 <Blitzboom> bitcoins
 829 2011-09-09 19:00:53 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: it does, but those are usually not the same as the official releases
 830 2011-09-09 19:01:02 <gavinandresen> Actually, this afternoon I got a teeny-tiny little computer that I bought with bitcoins on bitcoindeals.com
 831 2011-09-09 19:01:18 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: if you mean source, no there are none, but just download from github, if you mean builds...no also
 832 2011-09-09 19:01:42 <gavinandresen> I think I have a few bitcoin-deals invite codes around here somewhere if anybody else wants to help TruCoin debug it...
 833 2011-09-09 19:01:45 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: just wondering, since past RCs have always had source releases at least
 834 2011-09-09 19:01:51 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: me me me
 835 2011-09-09 19:01:57 <BlueMatt> jgarzik usually does those...
 836 2011-09-09 19:02:00 <BlueMatt> hasnt this time though
 837 2011-09-09 19:02:22 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: unless it requires actively doing stuff <.<
 838 2011-09-09 19:02:49 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: back to gitian, to pull this off the original gitian zip files need to be uploaded somewhere, it would be nice if they got uploaded to sf with the other builds (no need to link to them, just have to be there)
 839 2011-09-09 19:03:00 <jgarzik> gavinandresen jumped on 0.4rc1 :)
 840 2011-09-09 19:03:19 <luke-jr> jgarzik: O.o?
 841 2011-09-09 19:03:34 <jgarzik> if gavinandresen missed a step, let's make sure to list it in doc/release-process.txt
 842 2011-09-09 19:04:18 <BlueMatt> who is on the list of gitian-build-capable?
 843 2011-09-09 19:04:21 <BlueMatt> me, sipa, ?
 844 2011-09-09 19:04:23 <BlueMatt> devrandom...
 845 2011-09-09 19:04:41 <gavinandresen> Once I get my new itty-bitty-computer setup, it should be gitian-build-capable
 846 2011-09-09 19:04:52 <BlueMatt> all it needs is ubuntu and vt-x
 847 2011-09-09 19:05:24 <gavinandresen> (314 of 658MB ubuntu downloaded, then I've gotta write to a usb stick and install....)
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 849 2011-09-09 19:05:37 <gavinandresen> what is vt-x?
 850 2011-09-09 19:06:21 <BlueMatt> processor feature - hardware virtualization support
 851 2011-09-09 19:06:49 <BlueMatt> (dont think its required, but builds could take days otherwise...)
 852 2011-09-09 19:07:01 <gavinandresen> how do I tell if my new itty-bitty-computer has that support?  I assumed all new-ish intel-based processors would
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 854 2011-09-09 19:07:11 <BlueMatt> should, whats the processor?
 855 2011-09-09 19:07:25 <gavinandresen> Atom
 856 2011-09-09 19:07:43 <BlueMatt> model number?
 857 2011-09-09 19:08:04 <gavinandresen> Atom D410  ?
 858 2011-09-09 19:08:27 <BlueMatt> http://ark.intel.com/products/43517/Intel-Atom-Processor-D410-(512K-Cache-1_66-GHz)
 859 2011-09-09 19:08:28 <BlueMatt> it does not
 860 2011-09-09 19:08:58 <BlueMatt> they cut out a lot of features and die size for atoms...
 861 2011-09-09 19:09:03 <gavinandresen> ok, then I'm not gitian capable, unless devrandom has added mac support....
 862 2011-09-09 19:09:38 <BlueMatt> you might be able to get it to work, but it wouldnt be particularly easy...
 863 2011-09-09 19:09:55 <luke-jr> no kqemu support?
 864 2011-09-09 19:10:20 <BlueMatt> it is kqemu but it uses python-vm-builder which is fairly ubuntu-specific
 865 2011-09-09 19:10:32 <luke-jr> …
 866 2011-09-09 19:10:35 <BlueMatt> though it is python, so you might be able to get it to work...
 867 2011-09-09 19:10:36 <luke-jr> kqemu doesn't require VT-x
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 869 2011-09-09 19:10:58 <BlueMatt> theoretically doesnt, but the software virt is the slowest thing Ive ever seen, and iirc no x64 if you dont have vt-x
 870 2011-09-09 19:11:17 <BlueMatt> vbox, vmware, they are all like 20x faster in software virt than qemu afaict
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 872 2011-09-09 19:11:43 <phantomcircuit> qemu doesn't do software virtualization
 873 2011-09-09 19:11:54 <phantomcircuit> it is either hardware virtualization or total emulation
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 875 2011-09-09 19:12:28 <BlueMatt> sorry, its emulation then (which is why its so damn slow)
 876 2011-09-09 19:12:38 <cjdelisle> total emulation = translating memory lookup addresses in software = painful
 877 2011-09-09 19:12:48 <helo> qemu-arm :(
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 879 2011-09-09 19:13:10 <helo> better than nothing, but just barely :)
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 887 2011-09-09 19:20:31 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: kqemu != qemu
 888 2011-09-09 19:20:41 Matth1a3 is now known as alexwaters
 889 2011-09-09 19:20:45 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: qemu is total emulation
 890 2011-09-09 19:20:50 <luke-jr> kqemu is software virtualization
 891 2011-09-09 19:20:51 alexwaters is now known as identify
 892 2011-09-09 19:20:54 <luke-jr> KVM is hardware virtualization
 893 2011-09-09 19:21:03 <BlueMatt> it uses kqemu, but it falls back on emulation
 894 2011-09-09 19:21:04 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, qemu will use kvm if it's present
 895 2011-09-09 19:21:19 <phantomcircuit> kqemu is totally different though
 896 2011-09-09 19:21:23 <luke-jr> I never noticed a performance difference between kqemu and KVM
 897 2011-09-09 19:21:53 <BlueMatt> sorry, it uses kvm
 898 2011-09-09 19:22:00 <BlueMatt> falls back if it cant load
 899 2011-09-09 19:22:04 <BlueMatt> (IIRC)
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 901 2011-09-09 19:23:00 <BlueMatt> ie it calls the kvm command which is a symlink to qemu-system-x86_64 on my machine
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 904 2011-09-09 19:24:14 <phantomcircuit> kqemu does not use kvm
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 906 2011-09-09 19:24:21 <phantomcircuit> qemu does use kvm
 907 2011-09-09 19:24:30 <BlueMatt> does kqemu still exist?
 908 2011-09-09 19:24:41 <phantomcircuit> yes
 909 2011-09-09 19:24:53 <phantomcircuit> it is obviously not as well supported as kvm
 910 2011-09-09 19:24:57 <BlueMatt> afaict its an "old driver" ie not used anymore...
 911 2011-09-09 19:25:07 <BlueMatt> looks unsupported to me
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 916 2011-09-09 19:30:02 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: people need to stop abusing Baht :P
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 918 2011-09-09 19:30:28 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: B⃦ is the logo used basically everywhere for BTC
 919 2011-09-09 19:30:44 Clipse has joined
 920 2011-09-09 19:30:55 <gavinandresen> (that looks like B-box to my IRC client)
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 923 2011-09-09 19:31:59 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: then your IRC client is broken :P
 924 2011-09-09 19:32:06 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: it's a B with double lines through it
 925 2011-09-09 19:32:27 <luke-jr> (and I can't find that handheld you mentioned)
 926 2011-09-09 19:32:34 <donpdonp> whats the minimum i can send with the bitcoin client? im trying to send 0.0001 but i get a 'This transaction is over the size limit' error
 927 2011-09-09 19:33:16 <luke-jr> donpdonp: error? it should still let you send it with a fee
 928 2011-09-09 19:33:56 <donpdonp> luke-jr: a fee of 5x of the value i want to send. whats the minimum i can send without a fee? i thought the fee was always optional
 929 2011-09-09 19:35:08 <helo> donpdonp: anyone can send a transaction with any fee (including 0) they wish. miners may choose to ignore transactions that don't have a fee based on whatever criteria they choose
 930 2011-09-09 19:35:17 <luke-jr> donpdonp: the fee is optional, but if you don't include it, it might take literally infinity and never be accepted
 931 2011-09-09 19:35:54 <donpdonp> luke-jr: the client gui gives me a yes/no option to the 0.0005 fee and no means its does not create the transaction, as far as i can tell
 932 2011-09-09 19:35:55 <gavinandresen> the fee isn't option if you're using an un-hacked 'satoshi bitcoin client'
 933 2011-09-09 19:36:00 <helo> donpdonp: so while you may not include a fee, your transaction may never be confirmed
 934 2011-09-09 19:36:22 <luke-jr> donpdonp: use another client I guess; or realize you really *don't* want to do that
 935 2011-09-09 19:36:42 <gavinandresen> donpdonp: why do you want to send such a small amount?  It will cost the network more than the value of what you're sending... (which is why the client and I think every miner won't let you)
 936 2011-09-09 19:36:43 <donpdonp> luke-jr: is the 0.0005 fee applied to every transaction?
 937 2011-09-09 19:36:56 <donpdonp> luke-jr: the msg implies that in some cases, the fee is not applied
 938 2011-09-09 19:37:13 <luke-jr> donpdonp: trial and error is the only way to find out which ones it will force a fee on
 939 2011-09-09 19:37:15 <donpdonp> gavinandresen: i have a bitcoin service i want to test
 940 2011-09-09 19:37:26 <donpdonp> luke-jr: if only we had the source to inspect :)
 941 2011-09-09 19:37:30 <gavinandresen> donpdonp: that is what the -testnet is for
 942 2011-09-09 19:37:39 <luke-jr> donpdonp: the source isn't very useful to answer the fee question ;)
 943 2011-09-09 19:38:03 <helo> donpdonp: i edited the source of the command line client to allow me to send 123 satoshi without a fee
 944 2011-09-09 19:38:13 <luke-jr> helo: did it ever get accepted?
 945 2011-09-09 19:38:15 <helo> donpdonp: the transaction was never confirmed, unsurprisingly
 946 2011-09-09 19:38:17 <phantomcircuit> donpdonp, test it using testnet, then test it using small amounts of btc ($10 isn't a lot is it?) then test it with larger amounts
 947 2011-09-09 19:38:18 <donpdonp> gavinandresen: i suppose you're right. though i think paying the fee is worth the effort of not having to switch everything to testnet :).
 948 2011-09-09 19:38:20 <makomk> phantomcircuit: Didn't all of the kqemu functionality and most of the qemu-kvn functionality get merged into qemu proper?
 949 2011-09-09 19:38:41 <luke-jr> donpdonp: you can get a smaller fee via Eligius
 950 2011-09-09 19:38:41 <phantomcircuit> makomk, kvm was i believe but not kqemu, which is afaict going to be deprecated
 951 2011-09-09 19:38:48 <gavinandresen> talk to the solidcoin folks about the dangers of getting the fee rules wrong.....
 952 2011-09-09 19:39:12 <phantomcircuit> lol
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 954 2011-09-09 19:39:26 <helo> donpdonp: it doesn't matter what you do, it matters what your peers on the network do (unless you happen to find the block solution and insert the transaction yourself hah)
 955 2011-09-09 19:39:27 <luke-jr> donpdonp: or, if you wait long enough, you can use Eligius to whitelist it without a fee
 956 2011-09-09 19:39:39 <helo> i guess that's why ruxum ended solidcoin trading heh
 957 2011-09-09 19:39:44 <luke-jr> helo: Eligius allows miners to do the latter ;)
 958 2011-09-09 19:40:18 <helo> interesting...
 959 2011-09-09 19:40:20 <donpdonp> "This transaction is over the size limit.  You can still send it for a fee of 0.0005" its the 'size limit' that throws me off - like im doing something out of the ordinary to create a large-sized transaction
 960 2011-09-09 19:41:04 <helo> that message sounds incorrect
 961 2011-09-09 19:41:24 <gavinandresen> I think the latest version of the client gives a better error.  You may need to pay a fee if the transaction is too small, uses too many little incoming transactions (and so size is too big), or use small-ish transactions that you got recently.
 962 2011-09-09 19:41:56 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: the solidcoin fee thing is hilarious, let's incentivize network abuse! this couldn't go wrong!
 963 2011-09-09 19:42:39 <jrmithdobbs> also, let's de-incentivize validators confirming complex transactions! that couldn't be a problem!
 964 2011-09-09 19:42:49 <gavinandresen> they've got the Fire! aim... ready  thing down
 965 2011-09-09 19:43:10 <k9quaint> every crypto-currency needs its version of Fox News :P
 966 2011-09-09 19:43:30 <jgarzik> heh
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 968 2011-09-09 19:44:14 <donpdonp> i was at the bitcoin meetup at BurningMan last week. pretty crazy to have members of the discussion in the nude :)
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 970 2011-09-09 19:44:48 <k9quaint> donpdonp: I am in the nude right now!
 971 2011-09-09 19:45:57 <donpdonp> gavinandresen,luke-jr,etc: thx for the help. i'll just pay the fee.
 972 2011-09-09 19:47:03 <donpdonp> miners gotta eat somehow :)
 973 2011-09-09 19:47:46 <EPiSKiNG-> COSBY COIN??!?!
 974 2011-09-09 19:47:49 <EPiSKiNG-> bitcointalk.org
 975 2011-09-09 19:48:00 <EPiSKiNG-> who runs bitcointalk.org
 976 2011-09-09 19:48:02 <EPiSKiNG-> ?
 977 2011-09-09 19:48:07 <BlueMatt> sirius
 978 2011-09-09 19:48:11 <jgarzik> EPiSKiNG-: sirius and theymos
 979 2011-09-09 19:48:40 <EPiSKiNG-> have you seen it yet?
 980 2011-09-09 19:48:55 <noagendamarket> http://bitcointalk.org/    someone hacked the forum
 981 2011-09-09 19:48:57 <noagendamarket> LOL
 982 2011-09-09 19:49:01 <noagendamarket> ftw
 983 2011-09-09 19:49:04 <EPiSKiNG-> haha
 984 2011-09-09 19:49:11 Qatz is now known as DaQatz
 985 2011-09-09 19:49:13 <EPiSKiNG-> i'm nervous to see it
 986 2011-09-09 19:49:15 <noagendamarket> thats awesome
 987 2011-09-09 19:49:20 <EPiSKiNG-> but it looks pretty funny
 988 2011-09-09 19:49:29 <noagendamarket> they left a cosby video
 989 2011-09-09 19:49:49 eianpsego has joined
 990 2011-09-09 19:49:51 <noagendamarket> I think its because bruce wanted to buy it
 991 2011-09-09 19:49:54 <noagendamarket> lol
 992 2011-09-09 19:50:08 <jgarzik> noagendamarket: what are you talking about?
 993 2011-09-09 19:50:28 <BlueMatt> anyone know where a 40-hex-char pgp keyid would come from?
 994 2011-09-09 19:50:44 <BlueMatt> ie the one you see when you gpg --status-fd 1 and see IMPORT_OK 'keyid"
 995 2011-09-09 19:50:53 <gavinandresen> yeah, forum looks just fine to me (in Chrome)
 996 2011-09-09 19:50:54 <noagendamarket> Cosby was also a meme on SA forums during the bitcoin conference
 997 2011-09-09 19:51:36 <bx_> lookign for skilled web devs exp with js (ajax), php, mysql, etc PM me ...  Also looking for Mobile devs (android/iphone) pay and equity in large bitcoin products & games, along with Contract-by-contract for small biz clients. PM me, Thanks ! :)
 998 2011-09-09 19:51:39 <Disposition> gavinandresen: refresh and it'll happen, i think it's just some cross site javascript
 999 2011-09-09 19:51:52 <k9quaint> yeah, I had to refresh as well
1000 2011-09-09 19:51:53 <Disposition> got too many window open to track the source
1001 2011-09-09 19:51:56 <wtfman> ummmmmm ... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42441.0
1002 2011-09-09 19:51:58 <wtfman> wtf is this
1003 2011-09-09 19:52:08 <EskimoBob> CosbyCoin?
1004 2011-09-09 19:52:14 <wtfman> yes
1005 2011-09-09 19:52:24 <EskimoBob> wtf is this?
1006 2011-09-09 19:52:34 <wtfman> also there was a gif what said "uploading wallet"
1007 2011-09-09 19:52:37 <noagendamarket> SA forums
1008 2011-09-09 19:52:39 <wtfman> uploading wallet complete blablub
1009 2011-09-09 19:52:40 BlueMatt has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
1010 2011-09-09 19:52:56 <EskimoBob> converting wallet  blaa blaa
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1012 2011-09-09 19:53:51 <wtfman> i have no idea how he got that in to the code.. cant find the gif in the source code
1013 2011-09-09 19:54:17 pickett has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1014 2011-09-09 19:55:03 <wtfman> seems to be overall in every thread
1015 2011-09-09 19:55:30 <k9quaint> wtfman: disable javascript for bitcointalk.org
1016 2011-09-09 19:55:48 <Disposition> yeah it's on the main index page
1017 2011-09-09 19:55:49 <EPiSKiNG-> yeah, that seems to fix it
1018 2011-09-09 19:56:00 <wtfman> but there is no security risk I assume?
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1021 2011-09-09 19:57:01 <Disposition> ok I found it
1022 2011-09-09 19:57:08 <EPiSKiNG-> not sure...?
1023 2011-09-09 19:57:31 <Disposition> apparently some one uploaded a js on the smileys section for SMF, which is the software that runs bitcointalks
1024 2011-09-09 19:57:40 <EPiSKiNG-> right
1025 2011-09-09 19:57:42 <Disposition> "https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/final.js"
1026 2011-09-09 19:58:29 <EPiSKiNG-> so no security risk then, yes
1027 2011-09-09 19:59:05 <k9quaint> disable javascript, and make sure your forum password is not shared with any other account :P
1028 2011-09-09 19:59:12 <molecular> the code in that .js is very stupid
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1030 2011-09-09 19:59:42 <Disposition> EPiSKiNG-: none that I see of
1031 2011-09-09 20:00:08 <jrmithdobbs> lollin at that
1032 2011-09-09 20:00:17 <k9quaint> I am curious how they got the line at the end of the page
1033 2011-09-09 20:00:28 <Disposition> meh, Theymos really needs to step up his game :3
1034 2011-09-09 20:00:28 <jrmithdobbs> i think the content of that driveby defacing is better than the content of the entirety of the rest of the forums
1035 2011-09-09 20:01:22 maqr has joined
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1037 2011-09-09 20:01:38 <EskimoBob> :)
1038 2011-09-09 20:02:05 <Disposition> well bitcointalk isn't the offcial forum anyways :)
1039 2011-09-09 20:02:33 paul0 has joined
1040 2011-09-09 20:02:48 <Disposition> not to mention theymos' shaddy donation scheme.
1041 2011-09-09 20:02:55 <Disposition> cough cough
1042 2011-09-09 20:02:57 <jrmithdobbs> someone needs to find out who did this so I can give them money
1043 2011-09-09 20:03:06 <jrmithdobbs> because he has added much needed humour to my week/day
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1045 2011-09-09 20:04:59 <wumpus> this defacing is pretty funny, yes
1046 2011-09-09 20:05:12 <wumpus> at least it made me laugh, the forums generally just make me angry
1047 2011-09-09 20:05:32 <Disposition> ^
1048 2011-09-09 20:06:07 <molecular> wumpus, use the "ignore" feature whenever you get angry... it works ;)
1049 2011-09-09 20:06:49 <jrmithdobbs> Bitcoin, eh? Never heard of it. But perchance you would like to try something better. Something with more "zing". Something named CosbyCoin!
1050 2011-09-09 20:06:57 <wumpus> true, that usually works 
1051 2011-09-09 20:07:01 <jrmithdobbs> wumpus: i think theymos should be petitioned to keep these usability improvements!
1052 2011-09-09 20:07:12 <wumpus> yeah :)
1053 2011-09-09 20:08:01 <donpdonp> the units for cosbycoin could be milli-sweaters
1054 2011-09-09 20:08:46 <jrmithdobbs> lol @#bitcoin freaking about it instead of basking in the hilarity
1055 2011-09-09 20:09:33 <Matth1a3> well, the price is at 4.4 - I can see why people are freaking out =/
1056 2011-09-09 20:09:40 <mtrlt> lol
1057 2011-09-09 20:09:47 <Disposition> jrmithdobbs: lol really? I'm glad I don't idle there then
1058 2011-09-09 20:09:59 <mtrlt> Matth1a3: if their lives depend solely on BTC value, it's very sad.
1059 2011-09-09 20:09:59 <k9quaint> hahaha, milli-sweater :P
1060 2011-09-09 20:10:34 <Disposition> lol it just drop'd a bunch
1061 2011-09-09 20:10:43 Matth1a3 is now known as alexwaters
1062 2011-09-09 20:10:54 <wumpus> yea if you're speculating with something as dangerous as bitcoins, you need some serious balls and not be freaked out all the time 
1063 2011-09-09 20:11:41 <gmaxwell> I'm pleased to see how much the forums have cleaned up all of a sudden.
1064 2011-09-09 20:11:53 <wumpus> it's great
1065 2011-09-09 20:12:02 <jrmithdobbs> milli-sweaters and micro-puddings
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1069 2011-09-09 20:13:53 <jrmithdobbs> i can't decide which is funnier
1070 2011-09-09 20:13:56 <jrmithdobbs> the defacement
1071 2011-09-09 20:13:57 <Disposition> quick, some one make a cosbycoin fork
1072 2011-09-09 20:14:00 <jrmithdobbs> or the aftermath in #bitcoin
1073 2011-09-09 20:15:21 <k9quaint> I am clamoring for a CosbyGuild pool
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1075 2011-09-09 20:16:48 <Namegduf> Buying CosbyCoin at market value
1076 2011-09-09 20:16:55 <Namegduf> Oh, wrong channel
1077 2011-09-09 20:16:59 <Disposition> lol
1078 2011-09-09 20:17:26 <wumpus> hehe
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1080 2011-09-09 20:19:18 <cacheson> haha, excellent
1081 2011-09-09 20:19:35 <cacheson> was reading through scrollback, was afraid that it had been cleaned up already
1082 2011-09-09 20:19:49 <erus`> im starting a new currency 'tom coin' backed by super secure xor encryption
1083 2011-09-09 20:21:22 <k9quaint> erus`: you should wait until they come out with double XOR crypto called ClearCipher
1084 2011-09-09 20:21:32 <erus`> maybe rot13
1085 2011-09-09 20:22:11 <jrmithdobbs> rot26
1086 2011-09-09 20:22:13 <k9quaint> rot26
1087 2011-09-09 20:22:16 <k9quaint> GAH!
1088 2011-09-09 20:22:19 <jrmithdobbs> twice the security half the performance hit
1089 2011-09-09 20:22:32 <k9quaint> twice the security with zero performance hit sir
1090 2011-09-09 20:22:50 <jrmithdobbs> now that's just not possible! noone will believe such inflated claims!
1091 2011-09-09 20:22:54 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
1092 2011-09-09 20:24:27 <luke-jr> wtf is the crap on the forum?
1093 2011-09-09 20:24:50 <k9quaint> luke-jr: its caused by malfunctioning scroll bars
1094 2011-09-09 20:25:07 <luke-jr> apparently just on my page
1095 2011-09-09 20:25:08 <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=23768.340
1096 2011-09-09 20:25:41 <luke-jr> some random guy is popping up
1097 2011-09-09 20:26:05 <Disposition> lol no, it's a delay script
1098 2011-09-09 20:26:16 <Disposition> scroll up for more details
1099 2011-09-09 20:26:29 <noagendamarket> Its bill cosby
1100 2011-09-09 20:26:46 <k9quaint> Disposition: his scroll bars are broken :P
1101 2011-09-09 20:27:00 <Disposition> k9quaint: wut
1102 2011-09-09 20:28:10 <luke-jr> k9quaint: no, the page is broken
1103 2011-09-09 20:28:14 <Disposition> I wonder if I should bother posting details or rather forum rage
1104 2011-09-09 20:28:20 <k9quaint> luke-jr: I meant your IRC scroll bars
1105 2011-09-09 20:28:20 <Disposition> watch*
1106 2011-09-09 20:29:08 <Disposition> luke-jr (3:49:01 PM) Disposition: apparently some one uploaded a js on the smileys section for SMF, which is the software that runs bitcointalks
1107 2011-09-09 20:29:08 <Disposition> (3:49:11 PM) EPiSKiNG-: right
1108 2011-09-09 20:29:08 <Disposition> (3:49:12 PM) Disposition: "https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/final.js"
1109 2011-09-09 20:29:11 <luke-jr> someone vandalized the forums
1110 2011-09-09 20:29:12 <k9quaint> I hope this spices up the BTC drama
1111 2011-09-09 20:29:13 <luke-jr> oh well
1112 2011-09-09 20:29:14 <Disposition> there you go.
1113 2011-09-09 20:29:22 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
1114 2011-09-09 20:29:23 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.94,"low":4.18,"avg":5.537326818,"vwap":5.459362492,"vol":204389,"last":4.399,"buy":4.36575,"sell":4.399}}
1115 2011-09-09 20:29:27 <Diablo-D3> and down we go!
1116 2011-09-09 20:29:33 <Disposition> it's great :)
1117 2011-09-09 20:29:39 <Namegduf> luke-jr: Have you started a pool for CosbyCoins yet?
1118 2011-09-09 20:29:43 <noagendamarket> I wouldnt want to login the the forum right now
1119 2011-09-09 20:29:52 <Disposition> I wouldn't want to go to that forum period
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1121 2011-09-09 20:30:43 <Disposition> make I should make a bitcoin fork that sends messages instead of coins and make a p2p forum :3
1122 2011-09-09 20:31:29 <Namegduf> Or
1123 2011-09-09 20:31:37 <Namegduf> You could use one of the numerous other ways to write a p2p app
1124 2011-09-09 20:31:41 <wumpus> oh no, not another forum :-)
1125 2011-09-09 20:32:22 <k9quaint> forumcoin
1126 2011-09-09 20:32:26 <jrmithdobbs> Announcing new opensource fork! No new chain necessary!
1127 2011-09-09 20:32:35 <jrmithdobbs> cosbycoind for everyone will be available within the next 10 minutes
1128 2011-09-09 20:32:38 <jrmithdobbs> please stay tuned
1129 2011-09-09 20:32:38 <k9quaint> the messages are encoded int he blockchain
1130 2011-09-09 20:32:54 <Disposition> yar, we can do that.
1131 2011-09-09 20:32:55 <jrmithdobbs> crap wrong channel
1132 2011-09-09 20:32:58 <Disposition> now lol
1133 2011-09-09 20:33:09 <wumpus> messages, animated gifs and crosby images are automatically encoded into th eblockchain
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1135 2011-09-09 20:33:52 <Disposition> Namegduf: too bad most of them has a short life span
1136 2011-09-09 20:33:55 <Disposition> the messages I mean
1137 2011-09-09 20:34:06 <Namegduf> Disposition: So what?
1138 2011-09-09 20:34:14 <Disposition> then why not just use IRC.
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1140 2011-09-09 20:34:31 <Disposition> the biggest reason to use forums is history
1141 2011-09-09 20:34:34 <Namegduf> It isn't even vaguely peer to peer
1142 2011-09-09 20:34:40 <Namegduf> IM has history
1143 2011-09-09 20:34:47 <Namegduf> Can have, does have.
1144 2011-09-09 20:34:52 <Namegduf> All you need to do is keep it.
1145 2011-09-09 20:35:10 <Namegduf> I have records of every IRC conversation I've had ever.
1146 2011-09-09 20:35:13 <Disposition> yes, but that's client side
1147 2011-09-09 20:35:25 <Namegduf> It'd be "client side" in a bitcoin clone, too.
1148 2011-09-09 20:35:31 <Namegduf> Kept by every copy of the blockchain.
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1150 2011-09-09 20:35:44 <Namegduf> You can just mandate it without the ridiculous inefficiency of the bitcoin algorithm
1151 2011-09-09 20:35:49 <Namegduf> And voila
1152 2011-09-09 20:35:52 <Namegduf> You don't need the rest
1153 2011-09-09 20:36:08 <Disposition> oh that's what you are getting at, yes that's correct.
1154 2011-09-09 20:36:15 <Disposition> the joke is another bitcoin fork.
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1157 2011-09-09 20:36:41 <cacheson> I think there's a bug in the bitcoin to cosbycoin conversion process
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1159 2011-09-09 20:36:46 <cacheson> progress bar is going all haywire
1160 2011-09-09 20:36:53 <cacheson> I hope I don't lose any cosbycoins from this
1161 2011-09-09 20:37:50 <Namegduf> Disposition: Also, it's possible for IM messages to be unforgable and undeniable (i.e. anyone who received it can prove they genuinely received it from you when sharing it on) without needing a chain
1162 2011-09-09 20:38:05 <Namegduf> Disposition: Which is the only other reason for a "central" logging thing
1163 2011-09-09 20:38:16 <Namegduf> Signing them with PGP is sufficient.
1164 2011-09-09 20:38:45 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
1165 2011-09-09 20:38:46 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin-Sanitytest build #20: FIXED in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Sanitytest/20/
1166 2011-09-09 20:40:12 <Disposition> yes pgp would work just fine, it would be interested if a forum that allowed you to register with your public key, and it culls data from like the p2p server and displays all the messages
1167 2011-09-09 20:40:49 <Namegduf> "the p2p server"
1168 2011-09-09 20:40:56 <Namegduf> p2p has no server
1169 2011-09-09 20:41:09 <Disposition> network*
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1171 2011-09-09 20:43:05 <Disposition> damn it, who's putting all the virtual shops on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Real_world_shops
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1174 2011-09-09 20:46:40 <jrmithdobbs> cosby coin 0.1 released: https://github.com/jrmithdobbs/bitcoin/tree/cosbycoin
1175 2011-09-09 20:47:01 <jrmithdobbs> cd src && make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP= cosbycoind
1176 2011-09-09 20:47:03 <jrmithdobbs> enjoy!
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1178 2011-09-09 20:47:15 <jrmithdobbs> fully bitcoin compatible
1179 2011-09-09 20:47:28 <cacheson> doublec: when will you have an exchange up for this? ^
1180 2011-09-09 20:47:31 <jrmithdobbs> no blockchain fork required!
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1183 2011-09-09 20:50:10 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: what is cosbycoin?
1184 2011-09-09 20:50:16 <EPiSKiNG-> theymos: what's the word?
1185 2011-09-09 20:50:24 <EPiSKiNG-> lianj: #cosbycoin
1186 2011-09-09 20:50:27 <jrmithdobbs> lianj: it is the wave of the future
1187 2011-09-09 20:50:40 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: what is cosbycoin?
1188 2011-09-09 20:50:46 <jrmithdobbs> lianj: it is the wave of the future
1189 2011-09-09 20:50:55 <EPiSKiNG-> It's a joke
1190 2011-09-09 20:51:05 <Namegduf> You might think it's a joke
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1192 2011-09-09 20:51:11 <Namegduf> But I'm buying tons of them
1193 2011-09-09 20:51:13 <cacheson> lianj: buy some now!  this is your chance to get in on the ground floor, before they go UP UP UP!
1194 2011-09-09 20:51:13 <EPiSKiNG-> there's a fork already, I know....
1195 2011-09-09 20:51:16 <lianj> great gsub joke oO
1196 2011-09-09 20:51:17 <EPiSKiNG-> ahhahaah
1197 2011-09-09 20:51:29 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: the milli-sweater will overcome the eur in days!
1198 2011-09-09 20:51:33 <jrmithdobbs> easily!
1199 2011-09-09 20:51:59 <EPiSKiNG-> lol
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1201 2011-09-09 20:53:29 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: for your consideration https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/510
1202 2011-09-09 20:53:35 <Disposition> ho ho, the forum is down
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1204 2011-09-09 20:55:32 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: do you take an exam in trolling?
1205 2011-09-09 20:56:19 <wumpus> jrmithdobbs: I have to report a bug, yout didn't take into account capitalisation so now it's cosbycoin everywhere it was Bitcoin
1206 2011-09-09 20:56:45 <jrmithdobbs> wumpus: That will worked out in the QA cycle
1207 2011-09-09 20:57:00 <jrmithdobbs> this was rushed out the door to meet the demands of the community
1208 2011-09-09 20:58:02 <makomk> jrmithdobbs: you haven't replaced the icons/
1209 2011-09-09 20:58:11 <wumpus> yes you work really fast
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1211 2011-09-09 20:58:53 * Eliel wonders how the world would react if we actually decided to rename bitcoin to cosbycoin now :P
1212 2011-09-09 20:59:26 <Disposition> cosby can sue us.
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1214 2011-09-09 20:59:40 <Eliel> Disposition: oh right, true
1215 2011-09-09 20:59:54 <Disposition> though I'm all for the idea
1216 2011-09-09 21:00:07 <wumpus> finally a fun name
1217 2011-09-09 21:00:08 <Disposition> it'd be the best reverse troll ever.
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1219 2011-09-09 21:00:44 <wumpus> yes it's time to troll back the trolls :P
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1222 2011-09-09 21:01:09 <Eliel> shame it's not april 1st soon :P
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1225 2011-09-09 21:03:22 <genjix> handing out contributor accounts on bitcoinmedia.com
1226 2011-09-09 21:03:23 <phantomcircuit> genjix, soup
1227 2011-09-09 21:03:30 <genjix> pm me your posterous logins
1228 2011-09-09 21:03:33 <genjix> soup phantomcircuit
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1253 2011-09-09 21:53:57 <sipa> wth is going on on bitcointalk.org and github?
1254 2011-09-09 21:54:26 <wumpus> bitcointalk.org was defaced, nothing is going on at github afaik
1255 2011-09-09 21:54:29 <alexwaters> forum was hacked
1256 2011-09-09 21:54:46 <alexwaters> social network hacked supposedly
1257 2011-09-09 21:55:08 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: the community has spoken
1258 2011-09-09 21:55:16 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: demands renaming of bitcoin to cosbycoin
1259 2011-09-09 21:55:20 <sipa> ...
1260 2011-09-09 21:55:22 <wumpus> people are really angry and histerical, but nothing really happened
1261 2011-09-09 21:55:24 <jrmithdobbs> i have submitted a pull req to appease them
1262 2011-09-09 21:55:25 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
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1264 2011-09-09 21:55:53 <sipa> wth
1265 2011-09-09 21:55:56 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: serious answer: someone defaced bitcointalk.org through a shitty forum exploit
1266 2011-09-09 21:55:59 <jrmithdobbs> that's it
1267 2011-09-09 21:56:01 <sipa> ok
1268 2011-09-09 21:56:10 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: it was the most hilarious defacement ever though
1269 2011-09-09 21:56:12 <wumpus> silently I'm hoping that the forum won't come back, it was a crapheap anyway
1270 2011-09-09 21:56:13 <Disposition> yeah, just some visual javascript
1271 2011-09-09 21:56:16 <Disposition> nothing serious
1272 2011-09-09 21:56:21 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: http://buttcoin.org/bitcointalk-forums-hacked-bill-cosby-pimping-new-cosbycoins%E2%84%A2-to-all-the-members-breaking
1273 2011-09-09 21:56:25 <Disposition> wumpus: well forum has good history.
1274 2011-09-09 21:56:48 <wumpus> yes it has some useful parts
1275 2011-09-09 21:56:50 <alexwaters> apparently the operator of the bitcointalk forums accepted some code that referenced a remote javascript file. The file was updated today to make several "for the lulz" changes to the forum... some of them were actually pretty funny
1276 2011-09-09 21:56:56 <alexwaters> don't listen to these trolls sipa
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1278 2011-09-09 21:57:33 <luke-jr> who runs buttcoin.org ?
1279 2011-09-09 21:57:44 <Maged> Is that really true? Theymos is smarter than that.
1280 2011-09-09 21:57:45 <alexwaters> overall it's clear that the people at somthing awful see bitcoin as a target (i don't know why), and are trying to troll it's users
1281 2011-09-09 21:57:49 <makomk> alexwaters: you're getting confused with the similar onlyonetv.com hack, I think.
1282 2011-09-09 21:57:50 <cronopio> if the attacker want really fuck, they could change all de BTC address on the forum for other adress
1283 2011-09-09 21:58:02 <wumpus> but too many idiots think that the forum IS bitcoin
1284 2011-09-09 21:58:09 <jrmithdobbs> Maged: apparently he's not
1285 2011-09-09 21:58:26 <jrmithdobbs> Maged: because that looks to be what happened as far as i saw
1286 2011-09-09 21:58:34 <makomk> The bitcointalk.org javascript wasn't remote; it was hosted on the site itself.
1287 2011-09-09 21:58:53 <helo> nah, bitcoin is a target because a small group of people take it seriously, while everyone else thinks it is a novelty/scam/joke
1288 2011-09-09 21:58:54 <wumpus> it was hosted in the smileys directory...
1289 2011-09-09 21:58:54 <cronopio> makomk: oooohhhh really bad news
1290 2011-09-09 21:59:00 <makomk> Yep, https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/final.js
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1292 2011-09-09 21:59:07 <noagendamarket> wait till they see cosbycoins
1293 2011-09-09 21:59:30 <noagendamarket> time for a trollback
1294 2011-09-09 21:59:52 <wumpus> helo: yes, unlike most open source projects it's a troll-magnet
1295 2011-09-09 22:00:14 <wumpus> helo: which sometimes is funny and at other times very annoying
1296 2011-09-09 22:00:14 <cronopio> makomk: the panic its for the database
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1298 2011-09-09 22:00:28 <cronopio> makomk: some news about db??
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1301 2011-09-09 22:01:34 <makomk> Not a clue; I'm just an outside observer and I don't think even theymos knows yet.
1302 2011-09-09 22:02:00 <cronopio> makomk: ok thks
1303 2011-09-09 22:02:03 <makomk> He's taken the site offline but hasn't managed to figure out what happened AFAIK.
1304 2011-09-09 22:02:12 <wumpus> he should wipe the server and start over
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1306 2011-09-09 22:02:44 <jrmithdobbs> without the start over part
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1308 2011-09-09 22:02:54 <jrmithdobbs> just don't bring it back up
1309 2011-09-09 22:03:45 <wumpus> I mean that's the only way to be sure there's not some backdoor left
1310 2011-09-09 22:04:03 <jrmithdobbs> good security practice?
1311 2011-09-09 22:04:07 <jrmithdobbs> in a bitcoin web service?
1312 2011-09-09 22:04:12 <jrmithdobbs> what have you been smoking today sir?
1313 2011-09-09 22:04:18 <wumpus> good point...
1314 2011-09-09 22:04:19 <jrmithdobbs> will you please share?
1315 2011-09-09 22:04:45 <wumpus> hey it's legal here! :P
1316 2011-09-09 22:09:51 <cronopio> wumpus: yeah i vote for reinstall too
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1318 2011-09-09 22:10:02 xelister is now known as not_xelister
1319 2011-09-09 22:10:04 <Disposition> then we'd lose all the history.
1320 2011-09-09 22:10:14 <Disposition> honestly that's the only reason why that forum is even good
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1322 2011-09-09 22:10:19 <Disposition> if we start over it's just pure trash.
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1324 2011-09-09 22:11:06 <Disposition> he should just change everyone's password, reupload the forum as a read only
1325 2011-09-09 22:11:08 not_xelister is now known as xelister
1326 2011-09-09 22:11:09 <Disposition> for historical purposes
1327 2011-09-09 22:11:12 <Disposition> and call it a day
1328 2011-09-09 22:11:29 <Disposition> and stop asking for 10btc "donator status" 50btc "vip status" donations
1329 2011-09-09 22:11:41 <Disposition> ^ that shit grinds my gear
1330 2011-09-09 22:11:44 <wumpus> nah he could restore the message and data from backup just reinstall the software...
1331 2011-09-09 22:12:02 <Disposition> wumpus: SMF isn't exactly the safest thing
1332 2011-09-09 22:12:37 <cronopio> lol
1333 2011-09-09 22:12:40 <jrmithdobbs> tcl @cosby
1334 2011-09-09 22:12:42 <wumpus> like all forum software :p
1335 2011-09-09 22:12:45 <Disposition> I use to develop for it like 6 years ago, I wonder if they ever fixed the php shell upload exploit
1336 2011-09-09 22:12:47 <jrmithdobbs> erm
1337 2011-09-09 22:12:52 <Disposition> wumpus: eh, this one more so than others.
1338 2011-09-09 22:12:59 <Disposition> especially he isn't even using the latest versins
1339 2011-09-09 22:13:02 <wumpus> phpbb doesn't exactly have a good history either
1340 2011-09-09 22:13:09 <Disposition> because he made some edits
1341 2011-09-09 22:13:20 <Disposition> you know that newb posting limit thing? I wrote it.
1342 2011-09-09 22:13:22 <wumpus> yeah the biggest problem was that he didn't keep the sw up to date
1343 2011-09-09 22:13:25 <Disposition> silly hack.
1344 2011-09-09 22:14:03 <Disposition> phpbb2 has a shitty history since it wasn't updated at all for years.
1345 2011-09-09 22:14:10 <Disposition> phpbb3 is pretty nicely designed.
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1347 2011-09-09 22:14:49 <Disposition> either way though, people should just use IRC like god had intended.
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1355 2011-09-09 22:24:29 <Disposition> ;;seen thomas*
1356 2011-09-09 22:24:30 <gribble> thomas* could be ThomasV (3 hours, 57 minutes, and 16 seconds ago), ThomasV_ (2 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 56 seconds ago), thomas___ (13 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 45 minutes, and 14 seconds ago), or Thomas^ (14 weeks, 3 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes, and 57 seconds ago)
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1371 2011-09-09 22:42:47 <UukGoblin> hmm, running f92f022, still crashing shortly after adding a node
1372 2011-09-09 22:43:16 <UukGoblin> (with getmemorypool from forrestv)
1373 2011-09-09 22:43:27 <UukGoblin> running with -noirc too
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1386 2011-09-09 23:00:01 <jrmithdobbs> alexwaters: you have no sense of humor
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1392 2011-09-09 23:10:32 <xelister> who runs http://bitcointalk.org/ ?  was it haxed as it is rummored? anyway the forum is down for me. nanotube
1393 2011-09-09 23:10:49 <cjdelisle> thiamos
1394 2011-09-09 23:10:51 <BlueMatt> theymos
1395 2011-09-09 23:10:53 <Disposition> theymos owns me
1396 2011-09-09 23:10:53 <BlueMatt> and sirius
1397 2011-09-09 23:10:56 <Disposition> it*
1398 2011-09-09 23:10:58 <Disposition> lolwut
1399 2011-09-09 23:11:08 <Diablo-D3> teymas
1400 2011-09-09 23:11:18 <Disposition> iirc he also owns the bitcoin.org MX records
1401 2011-09-09 23:11:33 <Diablo-D3> theymos runs all the web shit
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1403 2011-09-09 23:11:57 <BlueMatt> bitcoin.org is now github
1404 2011-09-09 23:12:02 <BlueMatt> so everyone can push to it
1405 2011-09-09 23:12:04 <JFK911> bill cosby owns it now i think
1406 2011-09-09 23:12:14 <BlueMatt> sirius holds the dns (and gavin?)
1407 2011-09-09 23:12:28 <BlueMatt> sirius holds bitcointalk
1408 2011-09-09 23:13:45 <k9quaint> you guys need to get another dns domain with the word cosby in it and have it redirect to bitcoin.org :)
1409 2011-09-09 23:13:48 <xelister> so was bitcoin talk in fact hacked?
1410 2011-09-09 23:13:50 <xelister> wtf is this
1411 2011-09-09 23:14:13 <BlueMatt> who knows/cares its the forums
1412 2011-09-09 23:14:16 <Disposition> xelister: hacked yes, but probably not in the level you are imagining.
1413 2011-09-09 23:14:21 <kjj> someone used a bug to upload a javascript into the smiley directory
1414 2011-09-09 23:14:26 <Disposition> it was just some visualization javascript
1415 2011-09-09 23:14:29 <xelister> BlueMatt: are you kidding me, all the users, and the project reputation
1416 2011-09-09 23:14:49 <Disposition> xelister: bitcointalk is NOT the offical bitcoin forum.
1417 2011-09-09 23:14:52 <BlueMatt> if the project reputation still depends on bitcointalk, we did something wrong
1418 2011-09-09 23:14:56 <Disposition> ^
1419 2011-09-09 23:15:01 <BlueMatt> all the users care -> not anyone here
1420 2011-09-09 23:15:16 <xelister> kjj: so server was including arbitrary js to all online users? that basically allows to own boards logged in owners
1421 2011-09-09 23:15:47 <Disposition> xelister: right, except the javascript only did some visual fun.
1422 2011-09-09 23:15:55 <kjj> yeah.  but I don't think it was doing much more than annoyance
1423 2011-09-09 23:15:57 <xelister> well thankfully
1424 2011-09-09 23:16:02 <Disposition> there's no form submition highjack at the time I looked at it.
1425 2011-09-09 23:16:08 <Disposition> submit*
1426 2011-09-09 23:16:17 <kjj> there were posts on the forum that it was a serious sophisticated attack, but I didn't see any evidence of that
1427 2011-09-09 23:16:39 <Disposition> it's not. it's a known exploit, I just don't understand how they gotten that file to be included in the footer
1428 2011-09-09 23:16:43 <gmaxwell> It sounded like there was some site JS that was hosted on another site, and someone replaced it.
1429 2011-09-09 23:17:28 <Disposition> to get it working on the index page it woun't work, unless they did some php shell attack first
1430 2011-09-09 23:17:30 <cjdelisle> I didn't see the actual attack vector but it was indeed hosted right on the bitcointalk server
1431 2011-09-09 23:17:40 <Disposition> but I'm pretty sure SMF patched that awhile ago when I told them
1432 2011-09-09 23:17:59 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: no it's the flash exploit got one of the mods and made it upload a smiley that's a js
1433 2011-09-09 23:18:02 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: something like that
1434 2011-09-09 23:18:13 <iz> yeah, what jrsmith said
1435 2011-09-09 23:18:24 <iz> when it was up, it was from https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/final.js
1436 2011-09-09 23:18:35 <Disposition> well that's how the file got there, but it doesn't explain how index.php is changed to include final.js to begin with
1437 2011-09-09 23:18:44 <Disposition> or footer.php
1438 2011-09-09 23:18:44 <gmaxwell> ah. more reasons not to run flash.
1439 2011-09-09 23:18:46 <Disposition> w/e the file is.
1440 2011-09-09 23:18:59 <jrmithdobbs> Disposition: the forum software pre-loads the smiley images
1441 2011-09-09 23:19:03 <kjj> smf always includes the smileys
1442 2011-09-09 23:19:13 <jrmithdobbs> so no, no mystery at all
1443 2011-09-09 23:19:17 <jrmithdobbs> noone's wallet was stolen
1444 2011-09-09 23:19:18 <xelister> gmaxwell: indeed
1445 2011-09-09 23:19:21 <jrmithdobbs> all of you freaking out are idiots
1446 2011-09-09 23:19:22 <Disposition> but why is it included in the bottom.
1447 2011-09-09 23:19:23 <jrmithdobbs> the end
1448 2011-09-09 23:19:24 <k9quaint> there are no announced vulnerabilities for SMF 1.1.14, which was what bitcointalk.org was running
1449 2011-09-09 23:19:27 <xelister> gmaxwell: also to disable JS on profile used for business
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1451 2011-09-09 23:20:14 <Disposition> even if it preloaded the image it can't just excute the javascript, there has to be additional code
1452 2011-09-09 23:20:38 <Disposition> it's not like all they did was upload the js. cuz that's not what happened.
1453 2011-09-09 23:22:00 <kjj> Disposition: have you read the smf source code?
1454 2011-09-09 23:22:12 <jrmithdobbs> Disposition: it's exactly what happened
1455 2011-09-09 23:23:00 <kjj> ugh.  can anyone boot the tools from #bitcoin?
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1457 2011-09-09 23:23:09 <xelister> actually
1458 2011-09-09 23:23:21 <xelister> why is phantomcircuit flooding #bitcoin =)
1459 2011-09-09 23:23:49 <kjj> even better, does anyone have pull with freenode staff?
1460 2011-09-09 23:23:50 <xelister> trolling can be fun, but is there any greater reason why we are floodtrolling #bitcoin now that I'm not aware of
1461 2011-09-09 23:24:18 <xelister> gmaxwell: what is going on here?
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1471 2011-09-09 23:32:29 <Disposition> kjj: not in a few years, when did it automically wrapped html tags based on file type
1472 2011-09-09 23:33:03 <kjj> Disposition: the file had it's own tags
1473 2011-09-09 23:33:18 <kjj> er, its
1474 2011-09-09 23:33:53 <Disposition> really? I must have missed it, when it was up I was looking at what functions it had besides the visual modifications
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1477 2011-09-09 23:39:13 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r1f15d7eafa6f cgminer/util.c: Advertise rollntime extension support
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1479 2011-09-09 23:41:04 <gmaxwell> "We call this feature exploit accelerator"
1480 2011-09-09 23:41:13 <iz> Disposition: mirror of final.js http://pastebin.com/RZPbPTiF
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1486 2011-09-09 23:46:59 <jgarzik> luke-jr: is that change in conman's tree, or just your tree?
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1490 2011-09-09 23:51:10 <luke-jr> jgarzik: which change?
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1492 2011-09-09 23:51:35 <luke-jr> oh, the one CIA-101 announced
1493 2011-09-09 23:51:38 <luke-jr> conman's I presume
1494 2011-09-09 23:51:43 <luke-jr> I just sent it as a .patch
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