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  37 2011-09-14 00:30:51 <marf_away> hello! We should asigne bitcoins a new value, a value in connection to the difficulty it was mined with....early adopter have many bitcoins with low value and current user have less bitcoins but with higher value - verry fair system
  38 2011-09-14 00:31:04 <conman> ...
  39 2011-09-14 00:31:09 <conman> you dont assign value to coins
  40 2011-09-14 00:31:23 <conman> a currency gets value according to market value
  41 2011-09-14 00:31:24 <marf_away> but it could be done in a secone layer
  42 2011-09-14 00:31:38 <phantomcircuit> no
  43 2011-09-14 00:31:41 <phantomcircuit> kthx
  44 2011-09-14 00:32:56 <marf_away> :P
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  96 2011-09-14 01:34:37 <HyperSynergy> anyone doing btc dev using .net ?
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  99 2011-09-14 01:36:00 <HyperSynergy> I'm gonna write a miner and pool monitoring app with graphing
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 102 2011-09-14 01:37:05 <Disposition> HyperSynergy: there's a mining proxy written in .net
 103 2011-09-14 01:37:16 <Disposition> look it up under flexible-mining-proxy thread in the forums
 104 2011-09-14 01:37:25 <HyperSynergy> wtf is a mining proxy? :)
 105 2011-09-14 01:37:32 <HyperSynergy> ok
 106 2011-09-14 01:38:17 <HyperSynergy> would love to make guiminer switch between pools if there was high latency or other problems detected
 107 2011-09-14 01:38:36 <Disposition> ^ that's what a mining proxy is.
 108 2011-09-14 01:38:42 <HyperSynergy> h
 109 2011-09-14 01:38:44 <HyperSynergy> ah
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 111 2011-09-14 01:39:06 <Disposition> just read up on that thread, original code base is in PHP
 112 2011-09-14 01:39:12 <Disposition> some one wrote a .net port
 113 2011-09-14 01:39:18 <Disposition> both are no pretty much abandon'd
 114 2011-09-14 01:39:21 <Disposition> now*
 115 2011-09-14 01:39:41 <HyperSynergy> rly why's that?
 116 2011-09-14 01:39:51 <HyperSynergy> is there something better?
 117 2011-09-14 01:40:23 <Disposition> no not exactly, it's kinda done.
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 120 2011-09-14 01:40:31 <Disposition> and it's a niche product.
 121 2011-09-14 01:40:50 <Disposition> core feature is pretty much complete
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 124 2011-09-14 01:41:41 <HyperSynergy> Raulo's exploit eh
 125 2011-09-14 01:42:21 <HyperSynergy> was just thinking about adding some graphs based on the JSON feeds and local miner stats
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 187 2011-09-14 02:48:14 <Disposition> bitcoin really is spreading like a virus :)
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 207 2011-09-14 03:23:54 <Disposition> Matth1a3: it's like herpies, you might not know what it is, but you have it.
 208 2011-09-14 03:24:17 <Disposition> That's an rather crude example but more and more people are hearing about bitcoins, and they have little idea of what it is
 209 2011-09-14 03:24:41 <Disposition> but it's nice to randomly bring it up in conversation to people you'd least expect to know, but they do.
 210 2011-09-14 03:25:05 <nanotube> Disposition: heh nice.
 211 2011-09-14 03:25:05 <Disposition> also there's a lot social engineering that's being done as we speak
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 213 2011-09-14 03:25:40 <Disposition> Yifu is reporting that Roger from memorydealers is getting stores/locations in japan to accept them
 214 2011-09-14 03:25:54 <Disposition> and just other bitcoin related events, physical events
 215 2011-09-14 03:25:57 <Disposition> are happening
 216 2011-09-14 03:25:59 <Disposition> all over the place
 217 2011-09-14 03:26:17 <Disposition> and not just meet ups :)
 218 2011-09-14 03:26:25 * Disposition can't say :X
 219 2011-09-14 03:28:23 <nanotube> cool :)
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 221 2011-09-14 03:30:45 <Disposition> all in good times, I love rapid dev effect of social engineering, I remember when this site had 4 locations http://bitcoinnavigator.com/ that was around the time of the NYC  conference
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 240 2011-09-14 04:08:04 <pointbiz> bitaddress.org V0.3 now with Private Key Wallet Import Format http://bitaddress.org
 241 2011-09-14 04:08:06 <pointbiz> http://www.bitaddress.org/bitaddress.org-v0.3-SHA1-bd94e796811d852f9db69e82adea9a9c48daf183.html
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 248 2011-09-14 04:20:09 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt nice find!  so can we just pad ourselves instead?
 249 2011-09-14 04:20:09 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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 551 2011-09-14 13:14:39 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r2e09eee708ee cgminer/adl.c: Use the gpu_fan set value as the starting fan speed. Don't try and change the value if get() doesn't match as it's unreliable, just save the reentrant value. Limit fanspeeds to reported iMax and iMin.
 552 2011-09-14 13:14:41 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rfc4279136e76 cgminer/main.c: Use the longpoll provided work to test_work_current since we know it's almost certainly from a new block even though we may check it later again.
 553 2011-09-14 13:14:44 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r1db6ab0b0137 cgminer/adl.c: Set targetfan when fanspeed is set on parameters.
 554 2011-09-14 13:14:48 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r918ec7b0b267 cgminer/adl.c: Enable adl earlier to allow values to be set in init_adl or they're silently ignored!
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 592 2011-09-14 14:10:36 <jjjrmy> Ayone interested in buying BitPizza.net? (The Domain, Script, & Email)
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 596 2011-09-14 14:13:05 <alexwaters2> jjjrmy: not me, but it's definitely an interesting idea. I especially liked your FAQ, =)
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 598 2011-09-14 14:13:31 <jjjrmy> alexwaters2: Thank you, I did it at like 2am
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 621 2011-09-14 14:36:44 <BlueMatt> devrandom: ping
 622 2011-09-14 14:37:57 <BlueMatt> ;;later tell devrandom as it turns out, it appears that to get nsis to be deterministic all you have to do is have exactly 7 icons in your .ico file (bitcoin currently has 6) Ill pull req to add an odd color count icon later today and (hopefully) we will be all deterministic :)
 623 2011-09-14 14:37:57 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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 625 2011-09-14 14:41:27 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
 626 2011-09-14 14:41:27 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 16 hours, 28 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> ... and that's one of the problems with scheduling a block-chain split, it opens up debate to fix a zillion things.
 627 2011-09-14 14:41:55 <gavinandresen> I'm here
 628 2011-09-14 14:42:38 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: where do we sit with releasing 0.4 rc2 to the masses?
 629 2011-09-14 14:43:20 <gavinandresen> I'm just waiting on windows/linux builds.  jgarzik was working on them last I heard, but was also busy....
 630 2011-09-14 14:44:08 <BlueMatt> I uploaded them and emailed the list
 631 2011-09-14 14:44:22 <gavinandresen> awesome, thanks
 632 2011-09-14 14:44:26 <BlueMatt> (usually jgarzik does some sanity testing and repackaging)
 633 2011-09-14 14:44:40 <gavinandresen> what kind of repackaging?
 634 2011-09-14 14:44:42 <BlueMatt> to what extent I dont know exactly
 635 2011-09-14 14:44:53 <alexwaters2> garzik was asking if he should upload to SF
 636 2011-09-14 14:45:08 <BlueMatt> afaik he still cant officially build (or does he build to check validity of output) for copyright reasons
 637 2011-09-14 14:45:31 <alexwaters2> jgarzik*
 638 2011-09-14 14:46:39 <gavinandresen> I found out more about github downloads...  Putting rc2 on sourceforge is fine, moving to github for the final release may be a good idea
 639 2011-09-14 14:47:16 <gavinandresen> They don't officially support https downloads, but they're built on top of Amazon CloudFront, which DOES support https, and they say it is OK to link directly to the cloudfront https file
 640 2011-09-14 14:47:32 <BlueMatt> just putting them in tars that are more similar to the structure of existing bitcoin tars, though Im not 100% sure how much of that is really required anymore (iirc gitian scripts got updated to have better output)
 641 2011-09-14 14:47:35 <alexwaters2> i like the sound of that, as it may get more people looking at the readme.md
 642 2011-09-14 14:48:10 <alexwaters2> i don't know how to build/test with Gitian, otherwise I would attempt it...
 643 2011-09-14 14:48:25 <BlueMatt> though now that I got setup exe deterministic, I do want to change the bitcoin icon file (yes that makes nsis create deterministic setup exes, go figure)
 644 2011-09-14 14:48:32 <BlueMatt> before final release...
 645 2011-09-14 14:48:40 <gavinandresen> sure
 646 2011-09-14 14:48:53 <phantomcircuit> gitian basically only works on ubuntu
 647 2011-09-14 14:49:09 <BlueMatt> alexwaters2: it would be very, very nice to get more builders esp as I kinda want to get gitian releases which would allow for secure auto-updating
 648 2011-09-14 14:49:21 <BlueMatt> Id be glad to help, as Im sure devrandom would
 649 2011-09-14 14:49:47 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: sadly, true (though someone said they got it to work on gentoo and it didnt look too bad)
 650 2011-09-14 14:51:08 <alexwaters2> BlueMatt: I have been learning bash / python to write some testing scripts. But if that's more of a priority - by all means where is a good starting point?
 651 2011-09-14 14:51:28 <alexwaters2> if Gitian is more of a priority*
 652 2011-09-14 14:51:43 <BlueMatt> to do gitian builds all you really need is a physical ubuntu box with vt-x support
 653 2011-09-14 14:51:44 <[detached]> :o
 654 2011-09-14 14:51:52 <BlueMatt> not sure its a higher priority though
 655 2011-09-14 14:52:04 <BlueMatt> but it should be fairly easy to get started
 656 2011-09-14 14:52:06 <alexwaters2> BlueMatt: virtualbox won't cut it?
 657 2011-09-14 14:52:11 <BlueMatt> sadly, no
 658 2011-09-14 14:52:19 <BlueMatt> (t really)
 659 2011-09-14 14:52:32 <alexwaters2> BlueMatt: ok i'll dust off something to run ubuntu - eta this afternoon =P
 660 2011-09-14 14:52:52 <jrmithdobbs> gitian's goals are pretty cool
 661 2011-09-14 14:52:58 <BlueMatt> check that it has a vt-x proc support first
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 663 2011-09-14 14:53:02 <jrmithdobbs> it's actual implementation is pretty crappy and platform dependant
 664 2011-09-14 14:53:10 <alexwaters2> BlueMatt: roger
 665 2011-09-14 14:53:53 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: in theory it could be modified to work on vbox on any platform, but realistically that is very difficult to do (just bootstrapping a vm is hard to do sans-trust)
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 667 2011-09-14 14:54:25 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: ya, it'll be interesting to see if they eventually sort that stuff out
 668 2011-09-14 14:54:35 <jrmithdobbs> it's a cool project, it's just completely unusable to me at this point
 669 2011-09-14 14:54:53 <BlueMatt> talk to devrandom, Im sure thats on the eventual to-do, but right now it works and doing it differently is a (shit)ton of work
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 671 2011-09-14 14:55:09 <jrmithdobbs> right, hence unusable to me comment ;p
 672 2011-09-14 14:55:25 <jrmithdobbs> because i'd rather do my finances in tonal before running ubuntu ;p
 673 2011-09-14 14:56:02 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: have you had a chance to look at the downloader?
 674 2011-09-14 14:56:02 <BlueMatt> hehe
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 676 2011-09-14 14:56:53 <jrmithdobbs> especially since my only physical (non-work) linux machine is an amd e-350 which doesn't have vt
 677 2011-09-14 14:58:04 <jrmithdobbs> err, i guess the colo box is a p4 but still no vt and screw trying to run any kind of virtualization on top of something without a remote console and no physical access ;p
 678 2011-09-14 14:58:14 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: no
 679 2011-09-14 14:58:20 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: link?
 680 2011-09-14 14:59:05 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/blob/master/share/gitian-updater
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 689 2011-09-14 15:03:48 <Matth1a3> BlueMatt: do you know if I could do the Gitian builds while running Ubuntu through Amazon EC2?
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 692 2011-09-14 15:06:27 <BlueMatt> Matth1a3: probably not
 693 2011-09-14 15:06:42 <Matth1a3> BlueMatt: ok cool - I won't waste my time
 694 2011-09-14 15:06:54 <BlueMatt> for vt-x to work, it has to be a physical box (AFAIK)
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 696 2011-09-14 15:07:11 <BlueMatt> you can do it via qemu software virtualization crap, but it would be sloooowwwww...
 697 2011-09-14 15:07:14 <BlueMatt> like a day to build
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 699 2011-09-14 15:09:23 <BlueMatt> ;;later tell devrandom https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/516 wfm
 700 2011-09-14 15:09:23 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 701 2011-09-14 15:09:40 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ^
 702 2011-09-14 15:09:43 <Matth1a3> i have a box running windows 7 that doesn't need to be. Any idea how to check if vt-x is available/enabled? I'm guessing the bios is a good place to look
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 704 2011-09-14 15:10:06 <BlueMatt> bios often disables it, but google the processor model number first...
 705 2011-09-14 15:10:34 <BlueMatt> (then check bios for something like "Enable Virtualization Tech" which is often off)
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 707 2011-09-14 15:11:46 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: just putting the .ico in the pixmaps directory is enough? You didn't have to change the .nsis file?
 708 2011-09-14 15:12:04 <BlueMatt> I had to add another icon, which is enough
 709 2011-09-14 15:12:17 <gavinandresen> ... and the nsis picks up * from that directory....
 710 2011-09-14 15:12:21 <BlueMatt> yea
 711 2011-09-14 15:12:25 <gavinandresen> k
 712 2011-09-14 15:12:33 <BlueMatt> more specifically, it uses that icon as the icon for the exe for the installer
 713 2011-09-14 15:12:35 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r6083295 / share/pixmaps/bitcoin.ico : (log message trimmed)
 714 2011-09-14 15:12:35 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Update bitcoin icon to make nsis setup exe deterministic.
 715 2011-09-14 15:12:35 <CIA-101> bitcoin: This adds a 32x32 16-bit icon to the bitcoin.ico file.
 716 2011-09-14 15:12:35 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Though this realistically probably looks worse than the 32-bit
 717 2011-09-14 15:12:36 <CIA-101> bitcoin: 32x32 being displayed on a 16-bit monitor, it makes the nsis
 718 2011-09-14 15:12:36 <CIA-101> bitcoin: setup exe deterministic in gitian output (go figure) which makes
 719 2011-09-14 15:12:36 <CIA-101> bitcoin: the slight visual loss for users of very old monitors/computers
 720 2011-09-14 15:12:37 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r217208a / share/pixmaps/bitcoin.ico :
 721 2011-09-14 15:12:37 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Merge pull request #516 from TheBlueMatt/nsisiconfix
 722 2011-09-14 15:12:38 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Update bitcoin icon to make nsis setup exe deterministic. - http://git.io/M-rKAA
 723 2011-09-14 15:13:51 <Matth1a3> BlueMatt: my processors are AMD...would AMD-V work?
 724 2011-09-14 15:13:55 <BlueMatt> yes
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 742 2011-09-14 15:37:01 <dibbs> So, I asked this yesterday, but no one was around that seemed to know:
 743 2011-09-14 15:37:35 <dibbs> does anyone know of any Haskell or Erlang or similar implementation of Bitcoin whose source I can play around with?
 744 2011-09-14 15:37:52 <dibbs> Not just Bitcoin... don't really care... *coin works too
 745 2011-09-14 15:38:47 <cronopio> dibbs: I think in haskell are nothing but is really interestaing do something
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 747 2011-09-14 15:39:21 <tcatm> dibbs: IIRC someone was working on a haskell client/lib
 748 2011-09-14 15:39:41 <dibbs> cronopio: yeah I think so, too. thanks
 749 2011-09-14 15:39:55 <dibbs> tcatm: yeah i remember seeing something about it on bitcointalk, but no follow-ups
 750 2011-09-14 15:40:07 <dibbs> so I figured something might be floating around unofficially
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 754 2011-09-14 15:43:04 <cronopio> dibbs: maybe searching Haskell in forum could find somebody
 755 2011-09-14 15:43:42 <npouillard> dibbs: there is some on going project called PureCoin
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 757 2011-09-14 15:44:16 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rd85db987983c gentoo/net-p2p/ (8 files in 4 dirs): net-p2p/bitcoind and net-p2p/wxbitcoin: Fix network error handling crash in 0.3.23
 758 2011-09-14 15:45:09 <luke-jr> fwiw, ^ was introduced in 0.3.23 and fixed in 0.3.24
 759 2011-09-14 15:45:35 <luke-jr> ecd3e728b78255ec3af1c08de57d0abd27964780
 760 2011-09-14 15:47:05 <luke-jr> btw, random observation: Debian seems to be stuck at 0.3.20.2 for alpha,hppa,powerpcspe
 761 2011-09-14 15:47:33 <BlueMatt> I emailed that guy a while ago and he never responded
 762 2011-09-14 15:47:50 <BlueMatt> Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>
 763 2011-09-14 15:47:56 <BlueMatt> you could try again if you want
 764 2011-09-14 15:48:10 <dibbs> cronopio: good idea... will probably contact those people if nothing else turns up
 765 2011-09-14 15:48:30 <luke-jr> my only contact with him was in 2010 regarding an Asterisk macro I wrote
 766 2011-09-14 15:48:45 <TD> debian is always behind
 767 2011-09-14 15:48:46 <dibbs> npouillard: I'm not finding anything about purecoin in google or bitcointalk... do you have any links?
 768 2011-09-14 15:48:49 <TD> as are all linux distros
 769 2011-09-14 15:48:52 <luke-jr> TD: I'm talking about sid
 770 2011-09-14 15:49:01 <luke-jr> TD: the other archs have 0.3.24
 771 2011-09-14 15:49:14 <TD> bitcoin probably doesn't even work on those architectures
 772 2011-09-14 15:49:19 <BlueMatt> I emailed him and asked him to apply the .24 net fixes at least, but he never responded...
 773 2011-09-14 15:49:25 <TD> isn't it full of LE specific code?
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 775 2011-09-14 15:50:49 <b4epoche> BlueMatt:  is there code to unencrypt (and keep it unencrypted) wallet.dat?
 776 2011-09-14 15:51:28 <Joric> b4epoche, NO ))
 777 2011-09-14 15:51:35 <Joric> i find it hilarious
 778 2011-09-14 15:51:39 <npouillard> dibbs: http://r6.ca/Purecoin
 779 2011-09-14 15:51:49 <b4epoche> what's hilarious?
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 781 2011-09-14 15:52:20 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: currently, no...wouldnt be hard to write but Im too lazy and I see little/no use-case
 782 2011-09-14 15:52:22 <Joric> well, it's a 10 minutes job to write a corresponding python script allright maybe 30 minutes
 783 2011-09-14 15:52:51 <dibbs> npouillard: interesting, I get a "Forbidden" error when trying to access
 784 2011-09-14 15:52:55 <b4epoche> so, when the Keep Wallet Encrypted box is checked I'll disable it
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 786 2011-09-14 15:53:04 <Joric> i don't get why BlueMatt won't add it to the production code anyway
 787 2011-09-14 15:53:30 <BlueMatt> because I dont see a usecase, writing it is an hour of work that could be spent on more useful things
 788 2011-09-14 15:53:36 <Joric> looks like the bitcoin core team is pretty small and doesnt' get paid
 789 2011-09-14 15:53:48 <BlueMatt> if you have a use case, Ill gladly spend time writing it
 790 2011-09-14 15:53:49 <b4epoche> no kidding
 791 2011-09-14 15:53:58 <BlueMatt> Joric: you just figured that out?
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 793 2011-09-14 15:54:12 <luke-jr> btw, this thing is a confirmed botnet: http://eligius.st/~artefact2/5/1JLE6hkA8QbD64G8ZknbH6HT9orWQ7dKB3
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 795 2011-09-14 15:54:52 <b4epoche> mpower and mrdd finally get their botnet running?
 796 2011-09-14 15:55:00 <luke-jr> who?
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 798 2011-09-14 15:55:02 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: gonna block it?
 799 2011-09-14 15:55:24 <b4epoche> the guys that were on here a few months ago asking about setting up a pool for CPU miners
 800 2011-09-14 15:55:27 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no, they could just change address and I don't care to basically ask for a DDoS
 801 2011-09-14 15:55:53 <b4epoche> and the guys that took down the internet at my college for a couple hours
 802 2011-09-14 15:55:59 <luke-jr> pretty much, there's nothing I can do to stop it, and trying will just create problems for me
 803 2011-09-14 15:56:13 <mtrlt> a wimpy botnet :/
 804 2011-09-14 15:56:13 <bittwist> Terrorists Win.
 805 2011-09-14 15:56:16 <mtrlt> hardly even 1GH/s
 806 2011-09-14 15:56:21 <BlueMatt> [Tycho] has done that a few times...
 807 2011-09-14 15:56:25 <luke-jr> mtrlt: if it were bigger, I might have to do something about it
 808 2011-09-14 15:56:28 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: if its cpu thats pretty damn big
 809 2011-09-14 15:56:30 <luke-jr> it doesn't seem to be very efficient
 810 2011-09-14 15:56:36 <mtrlt> yeah.
 811 2011-09-14 15:56:48 <bittwist> how did you confirm its a botnet
 812 2011-09-14 15:56:55 <luke-jr> of course, it's possible my anti-DDoS stuff is already limiting it
 813 2011-09-14 15:57:07 <b4epoche> they swamped Penn State's systems with 14,000 computers
 814 2011-09-14 15:57:13 <luke-jr> bittwist: someone joined the IRC channel asking why his PC was connecting to our site ;)
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 816 2011-09-14 15:57:24 <bittwist> luke-jr: that'll do it!
 817 2011-09-14 15:57:25 <luke-jr> we found a trojan
 818 2011-09-14 15:57:31 <copumpkin> a trolljan
 819 2011-09-14 15:57:32 <bittwist> awesome
 820 2011-09-14 15:57:33 <luke-jr> modified ufasoft
 821 2011-09-14 15:57:34 <bittwist> do you have the sample?
 822 2011-09-14 15:57:37 <luke-jr> yes
 823 2011-09-14 15:57:40 <bittwist> can share?
 824 2011-09-14 15:57:44 <luke-jr> dunno
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 826 2011-09-14 15:57:51 <luke-jr> it's obviously copyright the botnet owner
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 828 2011-09-14 15:57:55 <BlueMatt> ...
 829 2011-09-14 15:57:57 <luke-jr> lol
 830 2011-09-14 15:57:59 <b4epoche> what!?!
 831 2011-09-14 15:58:15 <bittwist> at first i was >:|
 832 2011-09-14 15:58:17 <b4epoche> might be patent encumbered too
 833 2011-09-14 15:58:18 <bittwist> then i was all :D
 834 2011-09-14 15:58:41 <luke-jr> I'm not sure the sample I have is any interest tho
 835 2011-09-14 15:58:48 <luke-jr> it might be unmodified ufasoft
 836 2011-09-14 15:58:59 <npouillard> dibbs: darcs get <URL>
 837 2011-09-14 15:59:05 <BlueMatt> what about the trojan part?
 838 2011-09-14 15:59:05 <luke-jr> the registry was setup to launch it with commandline options
 839 2011-09-14 15:59:12 <bittwist> tbh whats infront of the ufasoft client interests me more
 840 2011-09-14 15:59:20 <bittwist> like what dropped the file and set the config
 841 2011-09-14 15:59:22 <luke-jr> yeah, I didn't get that :/
 842 2011-09-14 15:59:24 <bittwist> daw
 843 2011-09-14 15:59:27 <dibbs> npouillard: yup, just figured that out from IRC logs. Thanks for your help!
 844 2011-09-14 15:59:33 <bittwist> did you scold the guy for torrenting?
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 846 2011-09-14 15:59:37 <luke-jr> lol
 847 2011-09-14 15:59:38 <BlueMatt> hehe
 848 2011-09-14 16:00:04 * BlueMatt just decided to go re-release torrents with bitcoin miners built-in
 849 2011-09-14 16:00:11 <luke-jr> :D
 850 2011-09-14 16:00:16 <bittwist> By Clicking OK You Confirm That You Are A Sucker
 851 2011-09-14 16:00:38 * luke-jr wonders if it's possible to make a decryption app that doubles as a miner
 852 2011-09-14 16:00:39 <bittwist> (and that you'll be pestering luke-jr later when you find something eating cycles up)
 853 2011-09-14 16:01:04 <luke-jr> anyone writing a botnet plz implement noncerange at least
 854 2011-09-14 16:01:11 <BlueMatt> heh
 855 2011-09-14 16:01:25 <BlueMatt> those guys do tend to be very helpful and respectful
 856 2011-09-14 16:01:26 <luke-jr> actually, there WAS signs of a non-compliant noncerange in this thing
 857 2011-09-14 16:02:05 <luke-jr> it uses firstnonce/lastnonce instead of noncerange in the data
 858 2011-09-14 16:02:07 <luke-jr> supposedly
 859 2011-09-14 16:02:48 * b4epoche thought the current exchange rate would have deterred botnets
 860 2011-09-14 16:03:00 <luke-jr> why?
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 862 2011-09-14 16:03:10 <b4epoche> but I suppose spam doesn't pay as well these days
 863 2011-09-14 16:03:17 <mtrlt> bitcoins are still worth _something_
 864 2011-09-14 16:03:18 <mtrlt> :p
 865 2011-09-14 16:03:21 <BlueMatt> na, still rather have something than nothing
 866 2011-09-14 16:03:31 <b4epoche> mtrlt:  opportunity cost
 867 2011-09-14 16:03:43 <mtrlt> does spamming take lots of cpu?
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 869 2011-09-14 16:03:58 <mtrlt> or any other activity they could do instead of mining
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 871 2011-09-14 16:04:04 <b4epoche> well, it also exposes your net, no?
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 873 2011-09-14 16:04:25 <mtrlt> ?
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 875 2011-09-14 16:04:41 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: yes, it can but it doesnt require c+c
 876 2011-09-14 16:05:21 <BlueMatt> whereas holding a net does, and c&c is harder to host than it might seem if your net gets big
 877 2011-09-14 16:05:25 <b4epoche> and mining would be much more readily noticed
 878 2011-09-14 16:05:50 <b4epoche> by the user
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 880 2011-09-14 16:06:00 <BlueMatt> you overestimate most users
 881 2011-09-14 16:06:18 <b4epoche> I'm not saying most...
 882 2011-09-14 16:06:39 <BlueMatt> in fact, high cpu usage on a low-prio process effects perceived computer speed less than you might think
 883 2011-09-14 16:06:48 <BlueMatt> (which mining fits under)
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 885 2011-09-14 16:07:04 <BlueMatt> perceived computer speed is often related to swap usage in my experience
 886 2011-09-14 16:07:11 <b4epoche> but I would say people would be more likely to say, "Hey, my computer is a slug, maybe I should do something about it.  Like reinstall the OS"
 887 2011-09-14 16:07:15 <BlueMatt> more often than anything else
 888 2011-09-14 16:08:11 <b4epoche> BlueMatt:  I've been renicing stuff since before you were born ;-)
 889 2011-09-14 16:08:43 <BlueMatt> heh, well that is true
 890 2011-09-14 16:09:06 <BlueMatt> anyway, you get my point, a high-nice process really doesnt effect desktop lag for most users
 891 2011-09-14 16:09:19 <BlueMatt> unless it eats mem and starts swapping
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 893 2011-09-14 16:09:37 <b4epoche> but I can see it being more readily noticed that relying spam
 894 2011-09-14 16:09:46 <b4epoche> s/that/than
 895 2011-09-14 16:09:58 <BlueMatt> maybe, relaying spam could slow the internet to the point that someone might notice if its done wrong
 896 2011-09-14 16:10:06 <BlueMatt> its easier to renice on cpu than net
 897 2011-09-14 16:10:45 <b4epoche> but they'd probably blame their shit internet connection for that
 898 2011-09-14 16:10:46 <BlueMatt> though if you are careful, yes it would be more readily noticed (IMHO)
 899 2011-09-14 16:11:11 <BlueMatt> well that may be
 900 2011-09-14 16:11:31 <b4epoche> we need to get mpower back here to ask
 901 2011-09-14 16:11:49 <BlueMatt> hey, maybe us internet speeds are actually higher than anyone thinks and comcast isnt shit, its just the spammers and prevalence of rootkit spamers
 902 2011-09-14 16:11:59 <BlueMatt> ...or maybe comcast just sucks
 903 2011-09-14 16:12:39 <b4epoche> well, comcast has blamed about everyone
 904 2011-09-14 16:13:02 <BlueMatt> that is true...
 905 2011-09-14 16:13:26 <b4epoche> luke-jr:  are all those miners being funneled through a single computer?
 906 2011-09-14 16:13:44 <b4epoche> or is it a bunch of computers using the same account?
 907 2011-09-14 16:13:45 <Joric> irc is awesome almost no clutter though almost no user info either
 908 2011-09-14 16:14:18 <BlueMatt> ?
 909 2011-09-14 16:14:23 <Joric> god save the Jarkko Oikarinen
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 911 2011-09-14 16:15:57 <Joric> figured out the most you may store on server is away message
 912 2011-09-14 16:16:28 <BlueMatt> why are you trying to store data on an irc server?
 913 2011-09-14 16:17:13 <Joric> i wrote an iphone game that uses irc protocol
 914 2011-09-14 16:17:28 <BlueMatt> to store data?
 915 2011-09-14 16:17:44 <Joric> well i had to store a plenty of various information there
 916 2011-09-14 16:17:55 <BlueMatt> mmm
 917 2011-09-14 16:17:59 <upb> lol
 918 2011-09-14 16:18:24 <b4epoche> you trying to implement chatting in your game?
 919 2011-09-14 16:19:16 <Joric> frankly i just needed a tcp relay
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 932 2011-09-14 16:23:56 <luke-jr> b4epoche: botnet miners are connecting directly
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 934 2011-09-14 16:24:26 <b4epoche> luke-jr:  I have a list of the 14,000 IP addresses mpower used
 935 2011-09-14 16:26:36 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
 936 2011-09-14 16:26:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 145338 | Current Difficulty: 1755425.3203287 | Next Difficulty At Block: 147167 | Next Difficulty In: 1829 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 11 hours, 45 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1793503.63768936
 937 2011-09-14 16:26:45 <luke-jr> it just changed?
 938 2011-09-14 16:26:47 <luke-jr> when?
 939 2011-09-14 16:27:04 <luke-jr> ;;calc 147167 - 2148
 940 2011-09-14 16:27:05 <gribble> 147 167 - 2148 = 145 019
 941 2011-09-14 16:27:19 <b4epoche> you should slowly cut the botnets off...
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 943 2011-09-14 16:27:36 <b4epoche> block like 1% of the IPs each day
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 945 2011-09-14 16:28:02 <phantomcircuit> lol they connect from 14k different ips simultaneously?
 946 2011-09-14 16:28:04 <phantomcircuit> fucking idiots
 947 2011-09-14 16:28:05 <JFK911> whos mpower
 948 2011-09-14 16:28:16 <phantomcircuit> damn it's good that most criminals are stupid
 949 2011-09-14 16:28:16 <JFK911> they are mining clients, what should they do?
 950 2011-09-14 16:28:29 <b4epoche> mpower is that guy here trying to set up a botnet mining op
 951 2011-09-14 16:28:36 <b4epoche> been banned
 952 2011-09-14 16:29:00 <b4epoche> phantomcircuit:  those were the IP address from his DDoS of Penn State
 953 2011-09-14 16:29:02 <phantomcircuit> that's obvious botnet behavior if instead they proxied successful shares through 1 connection it would be very hard to tag as a botnet
 954 2011-09-14 16:29:21 <phantomcircuit> he ddos'd penn state? using his actual botnets ips?
 955 2011-09-14 16:29:23 <phantomcircuit> lol
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 957 2011-09-14 16:29:30 <phantomcircuit> hurrr instant blacklist
 958 2011-09-14 16:29:34 <b4epoche> yep…  I pissed him off
 959 2011-09-14 16:30:03 <b4epoche> but he took down the college of engineering for an hour or so
 960 2011-09-14 16:30:08 <SomeoneWeird> ;;bc,blocks
 961 2011-09-14 16:30:08 <gribble> 145338
 962 2011-09-14 16:30:24 <phantomcircuit> b4epoche, with only 14k bots?
 963 2011-09-14 16:30:31 <b4epoche> funny thing is, my office is in the middle of the college IT staff
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 965 2011-09-14 16:31:08 <b4epoche> they said it was 13 Gb/s
 966 2011-09-14 16:31:15 <phantomcircuit> lol
 967 2011-09-14 16:31:18 <b4epoche> UDP 80 to my office computer
 968 2011-09-14 16:31:36 <SomeoneWeird> lol
 969 2011-09-14 16:31:38 <phantomcircuit> old school
 970 2011-09-14 16:31:57 <phantomcircuit> straight up bandwidth flood
 971 2011-09-14 16:32:10 <b4epoche> problem is, Universities don't like to block
 972 2011-09-14 16:33:09 <phantomcircuit> yeah i know
 973 2011-09-14 16:33:21 <phantomcircuit> someone ddos'd my dorm room at fordham
 974 2011-09-14 16:33:48 <phantomcircuit> they only managed to take out one floor of dorms though
 975 2011-09-14 16:33:56 <b4epoche> IT folks weren't too happy because the ddos started at 5:00 on a Friday
 976 2011-09-14 16:34:01 <phantomcircuit> lolol
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 978 2011-09-14 16:34:13 <phantomcircuit> PLEASE SCHEDULE ALL ATTACKS FOR 10AM ON MONDAYS
 979 2011-09-14 16:34:15 <SomeoneWeird> haha
 980 2011-09-14 16:34:18 <phantomcircuit> THANK YOU THE IT STAFF
 981 2011-09-14 16:34:26 <b4epoche> but they've been pretty light-hearted about it
 982 2011-09-14 16:34:30 <mabus> looking forward to the weekend weekend
 983 2011-09-14 16:34:40 <imsaguy2> you start it at 5pm on Friday because thats when your weekend starts and you have tons of time to maintain it, duh
 984 2011-09-14 16:34:44 <b4epoche> I still get the occasional "Piss off any botnet owners lately?"
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1027 2011-09-14 17:32:27 <makomk> BlueMatt: running gitian on Gentoo isn't actually too hard once you've tracked down all the undocumented runtime dependencies of ubuntu-vm-builder...
1028 2011-09-14 17:32:42 <BlueMatt> nic
1029 2011-09-14 17:32:43 <BlueMatt> e
1030 2011-09-14 17:32:56 <BlueMatt> makomk: care to write a guide?
1031 2011-09-14 17:33:18 <makomk> I would do if I could actually remember the details >.<
1032 2011-09-14 17:33:24 <phantomcircuit> lulz
1033 2011-09-14 17:33:29 <phantomcircuit> reinstall gentoo and do it again
1034 2011-09-14 17:33:33 <phantomcircuit> no problem!
1035 2011-09-14 17:33:34 <makomk> :-P
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1045 2011-09-14 17:41:56 <BlueMatt> ;;seen alexwaters
1046 2011-09-14 17:41:56 <gribble> alexwaters was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 18 hours, 56 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <alexwaters> ;seen gavinandresen
1047 2011-09-14 17:41:57 <BlueMatt> ;;seen alexwaters2
1048 2011-09-14 17:41:57 <gribble> alexwaters2 was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 hours, 48 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <alexwaters2> BlueMatt: roger
1049 2011-09-14 17:46:43 <[detached]> ;;seen noone
1050 2011-09-14 17:46:44 <gribble> I have not seen noone.
1051 2011-09-14 17:46:50 <[detached]> ;;seen anyone
1052 2011-09-14 17:46:51 <gribble> I have not seen anyone.
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1061 2011-09-14 18:00:37 <gjs278> ;;seen a reason to live anymore. I'm killing myself now
1062 2011-09-14 18:00:38 <gribble> (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
1063 2011-09-14 18:00:44 <gjs278> ;;seen "a reason to live anymore. I'm killing myself now"
1064 2011-09-14 18:00:44 <gribble> I have not seen a reason to live anymore. I'm killing myself now.
1065 2011-09-14 18:01:56 <[detached]> ;;seen "'
1066 2011-09-14 18:01:56 <gribble> Error: No closing quotation
1067 2011-09-14 18:02:08 <[detached]> ;;seen "
1068 2011-09-14 18:02:08 <gribble> Error: No closing quotation
1069 2011-09-14 18:02:32 <[detached]> ;;seen "my dad."
1070 2011-09-14 18:02:32 <gribble> I have not seen my dad..
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1073 2011-09-14 18:06:57 <jgarzik> ;;seen gribble
1074 2011-09-14 18:06:57 <gribble> I have not seen gribble.
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1079 2011-09-14 18:19:10 <BlueMatt> hey jgarzik does exist still in the world of irc
1080 2011-09-14 18:19:39 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: saw your build email from 24-48 hrs ago... will be uploading it in a bit
1081 2011-09-14 18:19:47 <BlueMatt> fair enough
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1083 2011-09-14 18:21:25 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: though translations need updated and builds need to be redone since today to make the setup exe deterministic...
1084 2011-09-14 18:21:46 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: that's not tagged as -rc2, so that will be in -rc3
1085 2011-09-14 18:21:58 <BlueMatt> yep
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1096 2011-09-14 18:33:29 <wardearia> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41456
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1098 2011-09-14 18:37:53 <tcatm> wardearia: I'm working on it
1099 2011-09-14 18:38:50 <wardearia> yay
1100 2011-09-14 18:39:45 <tcatm> we'd need a server that can run it from time to time, though
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1102 2011-09-14 18:43:55 <tcatm> gavinandresen, jgarzik: ^^ We have basically two options: 1) create a 2nd website repo on github so we have one repo with the source code and all scripts and one with the rendered html with a server pulling the repo, rendering the page and pushing the result to the other repo or 2) host the rendered files on the server that pulls the repo. I could setup a tiny VPS for both options. Thoughts?
1103 2011-09-14 18:43:57 BTCTrader is now known as BTC_away
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1105 2011-09-14 18:44:39 <gavinandresen> no preference, as long as it works.
1106 2011-09-14 18:45:39 <BlueMatt> thats kinda creepy...win8 links to your ms live id and pulls info on you down to customize your computer for you...
1107 2011-09-14 18:45:55 <b4epoche> how convenient
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1109 2011-09-14 18:46:35 * BlueMatt cant find the shutdown button...
1110 2011-09-14 18:46:57 <b4epoche> quick pull the plug
1111 2011-09-14 18:47:27 <BlueMatt> oh god...so much for optimize for tablet without hurting desktop users
1112 2011-09-14 18:47:28 <gjs278> still on xp
1113 2011-09-14 18:47:40 <BlueMatt> you have to drag the login screen up to get to the login prompt
1114 2011-09-14 18:47:57 <JackRabiit> Hey guys
1115 2011-09-14 18:48:00 <JackRabiit> Gotta problem
1116 2011-09-14 18:48:02 <JackRabiit> Sooo
1117 2011-09-14 18:48:05 * b4epoche thinks that one-size-fits-all approach is bad
1118 2011-09-14 18:48:16 * BlueMatt agrees (for the most part)
1119 2011-09-14 18:48:39 <JackRabiit> I had to format everything right? No, This is not wallet related. So im wonder if i've lost my ability to GPG auth
1120 2011-09-14 18:48:48 * b4epoche thinks Apple pretty much did it right (i.e. reusing the core)
1121 2011-09-14 18:48:50 <BlueMatt> nice ui elements that cross all platforms give a nice cohesive experiece, but the same software on  a tab and a laptop/desktop...not so much
1122 2011-09-14 18:49:28 <BlueMatt> lets see if bitcoin works...
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1124 2011-09-14 18:50:34 <b4epoche> okay Windows boy, is this an IE problem?  http://snapplr.com/fr2j
1125 2011-09-14 18:50:42 <BlueMatt> windows, I hate windows
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1127 2011-09-14 18:50:58 <BlueMatt> but you have to watch the competition sometimes
1128 2011-09-14 18:51:16 <b4epoche> page within a frame?
1129 2011-09-14 18:51:19 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: Ive seen that as an ie bug and as a website bug
1130 2011-09-14 18:51:23 <BlueMatt> frames are always pages
1131 2011-09-14 18:51:29 <neofutur> JackRabiit: you have to save your .gnupg like you have to backup your wallet
1132 2011-09-14 18:51:37 <neofutur> if youlost you .gnupg, yes you lost yougpg key
1133 2011-09-14 18:51:40 <BlueMatt> have to try in ff to be sure (so you can get a real error message)
1134 2011-09-14 18:51:50 <b4epoche> BlueMatt:  but I think they might limit it to the hosting pages server
1135 2011-09-14 18:51:54 <phantomcircuit> neofutur, did you notice #mtgox
1136 2011-09-14 18:52:02 <JackRabiit> Awwww F*** seriously?
1137 2011-09-14 18:52:16 <neofutur> yes
1138 2011-09-14 18:52:17 <neofutur> (19:54) < phantomci> neofutur,
1139 2011-09-14 18:52:21 <neofutur> is thisa question ?
1140 2011-09-14 18:52:21 <JackRabiit> So i've basically Lost my entitre OTC identity as DingoRabiit?
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1142 2011-09-14 18:52:39 <gjs278> how can we even be sure you are him!!!!!!
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1144 2011-09-14 18:53:02 <phantomcircuit> neofutur, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44032.0
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1146 2011-09-14 18:53:11 <BlueMatt> hey bitcoin actaully opens...m$ didnt break it
1147 2011-09-14 18:53:14 <phantomcircuit> neofutur, you might want to have a looksie
1148 2011-09-14 18:53:33 <JackRabiit> ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
1149 2011-09-14 18:53:36 <BlueMatt> though Im getting a time warning from bitcoin and the clock is right...
1150 2011-09-14 18:53:50 * b4epoche registers DingoRabbit
1151 2011-09-14 18:53:50 <fortuna> can I talk?
1152 2011-09-14 18:53:59 <BlueMatt> fortuna: go ahead
1153 2011-09-14 18:54:00 <phantomcircuit> over irc? unlikely
1154 2011-09-14 18:54:08 <JackRabiit> -_-"
1155 2011-09-14 18:54:10 * phantomcircuit runs
1156 2011-09-14 18:54:12 <fortuna> BlueMatt, sorry, fighting my client. can't join other channels
1157 2011-09-14 18:54:19 <JackRabiit> Even if that wasnt a troll you spelt it wrong
1158 2011-09-14 18:54:22 <fortuna> using "/join #mtgox", wont work...
1159 2011-09-14 18:54:29 <fortuna> \join #mtgox
1160 2011-09-14 18:54:44 * b4epoche assumed it was a typo on JackRabiit's part
1161 2011-09-14 18:54:57 <phantomcircuit> fortuna, /msg nickserv register
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1163 2011-09-14 18:55:26 <phantomcircuit> i was tempted to tell him to "take it to #mtgox"
1164 2011-09-14 18:55:28 <phantomcircuit> lololol
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1167 2011-09-14 18:57:14 <neofutur> phantomcircuit: a wild speculation about what happened
1168 2011-09-14 18:57:17 <neofutur> iread it already
1169 2011-09-14 18:57:40 * BlueMatt cant seem to find a shutdown button without logging out first...wtf?
1170 2011-09-14 18:57:50 <copumpkin> neofutur: you'd probably get less speculation if you released a statement about what actually happened :)
1171 2011-09-14 18:58:05 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: button?  "sudo poweroff"  ;-)
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1173 2011-09-14 18:58:30 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: and people wonder why linux users hate using windows...
1174 2011-09-14 18:58:33 <phantomcircuit> neofutur, it's perfectly in line with the events and what i understand about mtgox order execution
1175 2011-09-14 18:59:45 <neofutur> i dont have more info that what isalready in the official statement, sorry
1176 2011-09-14 19:00:06 <BlueMatt> f*** ribbon ui
1177 2011-09-14 19:00:51 <b4epoche> what's up with the gox'er?
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1180 2011-09-14 19:07:26 <copumpkin> neofutur: oh I don't mean you in particular
1181 2011-09-14 19:07:31 <copumpkin> neofutur: you as in the company :)
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1183 2011-09-14 19:09:33 <JackRabiit> Okay boys, Help me out please. Im creating a new gpg key, I've got the key made m all, Now it's time for me to register the key with the OTC web, Directions please?
1184 2011-09-14 19:10:34 <copumpkin> join #bitcoin-otc-foyer and read the instructions in the topic
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1192 2011-09-14 19:17:19 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-gui: Stefan Thomas master * ra1921d7 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Re-enabled desktop version. - http://git.io/ghc2xg
1193 2011-09-14 19:17:19 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-gui: Stefan Thomas master * rde97226 / scripts/walletmanager.js : Ignore errors during parsing of main wallet data array. See #2. - http://git.io/6O0L6Q
1194 2011-09-14 19:19:13 <Diablo-D3> heh
1195 2011-09-14 19:19:20 <Diablo-D3> I just adjusted all the pools in the pools forum
1196 2011-09-14 19:19:31 <Diablo-D3> every single one of them went down, a few got cut in half
1197 2011-09-14 19:21:40 <helo> hooray!
1198 2011-09-14 19:23:04 <tcatm> ruby coders around?
1199 2011-09-14 19:26:20 <tcatm> gavinandresen: for the list of contributors... would you prefer to have it on a separate page (not changing the list of developers on the frontpage yet) or replace the list with https://github.com/api/v2/json/repos/show/bitcoin/bitcoin/collaborators (= all people who have push access)?
1200 2011-09-14 19:27:04 <gavinandresen> I'd prefer to replace the list on the front page with a link to the auto-generated page
1201 2011-09-14 19:27:22 <gavinandresen> (get away from the politics of "who deserves to be in the front-page list")
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1204 2011-09-14 19:30:09 <tcatm> well it looks like the list also is used by many people to find an email address if they have questions (both users and PR stuff). at least I get a lot of emails. so I think we should list a few adresses people can use to contact us
1205 2011-09-14 19:32:12 <gavinandresen> good point
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1220 2011-09-14 20:05:43 <lfm> oh boy
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1222 2011-09-14 20:09:07 <tcatm> lfm: ?
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1224 2011-09-14 20:09:38 <BlueMatt> tcatm: ping
1225 2011-09-14 20:09:45 <tcatm> BlueMatt: pong
1226 2011-09-14 20:10:31 <BlueMatt> tcatm: when you merged pull 7 on bitcoin.org you ignored the discussion part
1227 2011-09-14 20:10:48 <lfm> more netsplits and stuff upcoming I guess
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1236 2011-09-14 20:13:43 <BlueMatt> ahhhhh net split...
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1238 2011-09-14 20:14:10 <tcatm> BlueMatt: what should be changed?
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1241 2011-09-14 20:15:36 <BlueMatt> tcatm: the second sentence should be "Managing transactions and issuing money are carried out collectively by the network" instead of "...are tasks that are..."
1242 2011-09-14 20:15:43 <BlueMatt> (or is that wrong grammar?)
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1244 2011-09-14 20:16:53 <BlueMatt> tcatm: Ill just pull req an update...
1245 2011-09-14 20:17:06 <BlueMatt> as there are a few other changes in those paragraphs that Id do
1246 2011-09-14 20:17:06 <tcatm> BlueMatt: that would be great
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1248 2011-09-14 20:17:43 <tcatm> I'm currently working on a script to output a pretty list of contributors
1249 2011-09-14 20:18:03 <BlueMatt> frankly, Id rather see the static list of developers instead of contributors
1250 2011-09-14 20:18:16 <tcatm> we'll have both
1251 2011-09-14 20:18:25 <BlueMatt> (if I find a critical sec vuln, Im gonna email all the people on the front page, and contributors shouldnt see that)
1252 2011-09-14 20:18:35 <BlueMatt> or if I need to contact someone who can push to the repo for any other reason
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1257 2011-09-14 20:19:19 <tcatm> BlueMatt: http://i.imgur.com/aLEzZ.png
1258 2011-09-14 20:20:21 <BlueMatt> assuming you merge duplicates and only show top x: what about "Top Contributors"
1259 2011-09-14 20:20:28 <BlueMatt> but I suppose thats fine if developers section stays
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1262 2011-09-14 20:21:30 <tcatm> yes. merging is what I'm working on right now. maybe we could change the developers section to be a contact section
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1266 2011-09-14 20:22:56 <tcatm> I too think it's important for people to know how to reach someone for security, PR or even general questions
1267 2011-09-14 20:23:10 <BlueMatt> yep
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1304 2011-09-14 20:30:18 <BlueMatt> tcatm: feel free to tweak: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.github.com/pull/8
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1310 2011-09-14 20:32:09 <tcatm> BlueMatt: can you tweak the fee part to be more like "Transactions are cheap, and mostly free"
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1312 2011-09-14 20:33:07 <brocktice> Before I reinvent the wheel, has someone written something to dump transactions from the bitcoin client to CSV or the like?
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1314 2011-09-14 20:33:36 <BlueMatt> gavin has bitcointools, you could tweak it for csv
1315 2011-09-14 20:33:42 <tcatm> brocktice: http://www.nilsschneider.net/2011/05/30/listtransactions-csv.html
1316 2011-09-14 20:33:44 <BlueMatt> shouldnt be too hard
1317 2011-09-14 20:33:48 <brocktice> I was just looking at bitcointools, I didn't... ah there we go
1318 2011-09-14 20:33:50 <brocktice> thanks tcatm
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1320 2011-09-14 20:33:56 <BlueMatt> ...oh
1321 2011-09-14 20:33:56 <brocktice> I thought I remembered you saying something about that
1322 2011-09-14 20:33:57 <gavinandresen> bitcointools has a jsonTOcsv.py tool
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1324 2011-09-14 20:35:11 <BlueMatt> tcatm: removed tx fee mention entirely
1325 2011-09-14 20:36:14 <brocktice> tcatm: just had to change i[txid] to i[account] and I'm good to go, thanks!
1326 2011-09-14 20:36:35 <tcatm> BlueMatt: looks good. gavinandresen: would you mind having a quick look at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.github.com/pull/8/files ?
1327 2011-09-14 20:37:04 <BlueMatt> oops grammar, one sec
1328 2011-09-14 20:37:19 <BlueMatt> fixed
1329 2011-09-14 20:38:39 <brocktice> yesssss this is what I need
1330 2011-09-14 20:38:41 <brocktice> excellent
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1334 2011-09-14 20:40:38 <gavinandresen> tcatm: I like it, but I wonder if it should be "Bitcoin is a an experimental new digital..."     to set expectations appropriately
1335 2011-09-14 20:41:20 <gavinandresen> When we hit bitcoin 1.0 we can remove the 'experimental' bit
1336 2011-09-14 20:42:11 <tcatm> good idea
1337 2011-09-14 20:42:42 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: tcatm updated
1338 2011-09-14 20:43:33 <tcatm> ok, I'll pull it once I'm done writing the contributors script
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1345 2011-09-14 20:53:01 <brocktice> Now I only have 100 transactions I don't remember to track down :/
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1373 2011-09-14 21:13:18 <jjjrmy> Anyone interested in buying BitPizza.net?
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1381 2011-09-14 21:37:08 <b4epoche> I'll take one with everything
1382 2011-09-14 21:37:38 * [detached] hands b4epoche one, with everything.
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1464 2011-09-14 23:26:37 <Xristian> Hello
1465 2011-09-14 23:26:39 <Xristian> anybody there?
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1469 2011-09-14 23:29:17 <neofutur> Xristian: no
1470 2011-09-14 23:29:26 <neofutur> (01:20) -!- Irssi: #bitcoin-dev: Total of 350 nicks [6 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 344 normal]
1471 2011-09-14 23:29:32 <neofutur> just 350 people
1472 2011-09-14 23:29:35 <Xristian> I need some help with mtgox
1473 2011-09-14 23:30:11 <neofutur> so. probably bettter ask on #mtgox :p
1474 2011-09-14 23:32:36 <Xristian> Ok, let me see
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