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 62 2011-09-15 02:03:16 <CIA-101> poolserverj:  - longpoll connection are now all explicity closed on shutdown. Some miners were not registering the closed socket so don't attempt to reconnect to LP when the server restarts.
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153 2011-09-15 04:43:18 <semb> does anyone know about transaction updates? do you have to post an update, or can you just post another transaction?
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163 2011-09-15 05:14:45 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r2cae5c1dc388 cgminer/main.c: Restart longpoll under lock when we'll be reusing it on pool switch to prevent derefs.
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228 2011-09-15 07:54:43 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rae6fe9659300 cgminer/main.c: Revert "Restart longpoll under lock when we'll be reusing it on pool switch to prevent derefs."
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260 2011-09-15 09:40:56 <Matth1a3> does getblockcount return the network's # of blocks? or the current amount of blocks processed?
261 2011-09-15 09:45:49 <Diablo-D3> thats the same thing.
262 2011-09-15 09:46:21 <Matth1a3> sorry I meant, does it show the total network blocks or the current amount of downloaded blocks
263 2011-09-15 09:47:10 <Matth1a3> i am trying to write a script that returns true when the client is caught up to the blockchain
264 2011-09-15 09:50:39 <Diablo-D3> current downloaded
265 2011-09-15 09:50:47 <Diablo-D3> since thats also the same thing
266 2011-09-15 09:50:54 <Diablo-D3> if you havent downloaded it, your client doesnt know it exists yet
267 2011-09-15 09:51:02 <Matth1a3> ok cool that works
268 2011-09-15 09:51:05 <Matth1a3> thanks
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279 2011-09-15 10:24:41 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r8566ed44d2a3 cgminer/main.c: Just keep whatever longpoll we have if it's working instead of risking the stop/start dereference problem.
280 2011-09-15 10:24:58 <conman> meh
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283 2011-09-15 10:33:38 <jjjrmy> Anyone interested in purchasing BitPizza.net?
284 2011-09-15 10:34:14 <neofutur> how much do you pay ?
285 2011-09-15 10:35:12 <EskimoBob> jjjrmy: what's the price?
286 2011-09-15 10:35:56 <EskimoBob> I'll bit 0.01 BTC
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288 2011-09-15 10:41:28 <jjjrmy> only serious offers
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291 2011-09-15 11:04:41 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r8feb661dbfcc cgminer/adl.c: Set the fanspeed in coarse rounded up values and then ever finer grained values in case the card does not support fine values.
292 2011-09-15 11:05:05 <Diablo-D3> conman: you dont automatically set values above 85, right?
293 2011-09-15 11:05:14 <conman> correct
294 2011-09-15 11:05:24 <Diablo-D3> alright good
295 2011-09-15 11:05:31 <conman> upper limit is 85 unless it detects thermal meltdown
296 2011-09-15 11:05:43 <Diablo-D3> clever
297 2011-09-15 11:06:01 <conman> I've discovered all sorts of nonsense from cards
298 2011-09-15 11:06:07 <conman> some support only writing fanspeed in rpm
299 2011-09-15 11:06:15 <conman> some support only 10% values
300 2011-09-15 11:06:19 <conman> some only 20%
301 2011-09-15 11:06:29 <conman> some want it set to 0 first before being set to the real value
302 2011-09-15 11:06:34 <conman> ati can seriously suck my dick
303 2011-09-15 11:06:40 <Diablo-D3> heh
304 2011-09-15 11:06:46 <Diablo-D3> and now you know why ADL isnt a public interface
305 2011-09-15 11:07:04 <conman> no one in their right mind would ever support it
306 2011-09-15 11:07:12 <conman> but I got paid well, so I did
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313 2011-09-15 11:14:46 <EskimoBob> question: "Can someone start a new fork with a new chain/genesis block and use existing wallets and existing account numbers?"
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315 2011-09-15 11:16:17 <Diablo-D3> EskimoBob: LOL
316 2011-09-15 11:16:41 <EskimoBob> i am asking this because I am not sure I understand wtf this SLC clown is actually planning and or how is he going to make sure that all prefork slc ownes get the new coin
317 2011-09-15 11:16:51 <Diablo-D3> no, you cant use existing shit
318 2011-09-15 11:17:10 <Diablo-D3> coins no because their existence is defined by the chain
319 2011-09-15 11:17:15 <ThomasV> Diablo-D3: why not ?
320 2011-09-15 11:17:58 <bittwist> http://solidcointalk.org/topic/215-solidcoin-20-feature-discussion/
321 2011-09-15 11:18:05 <bittwist> this thread, is a winnar.
322 2011-09-15 11:18:14 <Diablo-D3> the addresses arent portable because iirc it also encodes which chain its for in the address
323 2011-09-15 11:18:25 <Diablo-D3> if they dont, then he can manually mine new coins and hand them out
324 2011-09-15 11:18:32 <bittwist> tldr: taxing the chain for a private fund, also shit ton of what looks like premining
325 2011-09-15 11:18:52 <bittwist> am i reading that wrong?
326 2011-09-15 11:19:08 <Diablo-D3> premining as in mining to create coins to hand out to users to replace their old ones?
327 2011-09-15 11:19:20 <bittwist> where else would they come from?
328 2011-09-15 11:19:23 <bittwist> yes
329 2011-09-15 11:19:33 <Diablo-D3> he could actually hand write an entire fake chain if he wanted to
330 2011-09-15 11:19:51 <Diablo-D3> all he has to do is fake mine the sha256s
331 2011-09-15 11:19:59 <Diablo-D3> but wtf why bother
332 2011-09-15 11:20:04 <Diablo-D3> just dump the chain and use btc
333 2011-09-15 11:20:16 <bittwist> see the other points he listed
334 2011-09-15 11:20:20 <bittwist> piggy banking funds
335 2011-09-15 11:20:35 <Diablo-D3> I mean, if people want a sub-btc currency thats locked to the real one
336 2011-09-15 11:20:36 <Diablo-D3> fine
337 2011-09-15 11:20:38 <Diablo-D3> thats easy to do
338 2011-09-15 11:20:49 <bittwist> An end point would be an interesting thing to work out, however a NPO would still need some funds to run and be the head of the SolidCoin currency. (interviews, media handling, etc). Personally I want a "strong" currency not something which looks like it's run out of someones garage.
339 2011-09-15 11:21:12 <bittwist> the users on that forum seem to be rather supportive of an altchain that has a siphon scheme built into it
340 2011-09-15 11:21:39 <Diablo-D3> bittwist: well
341 2011-09-15 11:21:41 <Diablo-D3> the interesting thing is
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343 2011-09-15 11:21:57 <Diablo-D3> I could easily create a new currency that glues to the existing btc chain
344 2011-09-15 11:23:30 <Diablo-D3> have the currency manually set it's diff to, say, one hundredth btc
345 2011-09-15 11:23:33 <Diablo-D3> run 100 times faster
346 2011-09-15 11:24:05 <Diablo-D3> and generate the same amount of coins (ie, 50 microcoins = 100 times less than 50 btc)
347 2011-09-15 11:24:25 <Diablo-D3> and have two parent blocks
348 2011-09-15 11:24:37 <Diablo-D3> the microcoin parent block and the btc parent block
349 2011-09-15 11:24:38 <xelister> Due to transactions spammers and the wanted elimination of them transaction fees are going to be very high for a period of time until SolidCoin stabilizes in value. A normal transaction is going to cost about 0.05 SC moving up based on size of the transactions.
350 2011-09-15 11:24:40 <xelister> trololo
351 2011-09-15 11:24:46 <xelister> SC 0, ArtFortz/BTC 1
352 2011-09-15 11:24:46 <Diablo-D3> and only allow 100 microcoin blocks per btc parent block
353 2011-09-15 11:25:16 <xelister> A small amount of SolidCoins will be generated each block and given to a "fund".
354 2011-09-15 11:25:18 <xelister> TROLOLO
355 2011-09-15 11:25:38 <bittwist> that thread, oh lord that thread.
356 2011-09-15 11:25:46 <Diablo-D3> it gives people microtransaction ability on a secondary chain
357 2011-09-15 11:25:59 <xelister> "new genesis block will be formed with 1128000 + fee coverage SolidCoins in it. "  <-- this one MAY make some sense actually
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361 2011-09-15 11:26:36 <xelister> "he lowest it will go is down to 1SC + fees. The reason this small amount of never ending inflation i"  <--- dunno, this may be interesting
362 2011-09-15 11:26:38 <bittwist> Any serious currency alternative to the current system will 100% need a central organization doing their best for it. Banks hire security people, governments investigate fraud, etc. Without that their systems would not be successful. If SC is very successful it is going to face attacks from the current systems in place (banks, governments) and we need that NPO to have money to fight legal cases, take out ads, influence politics/media, lobbying, e
363 2011-09-15 11:26:57 <Diablo-D3> bittwist: yeah, but my way, thats not needed
364 2011-09-15 11:27:03 <Diablo-D3> since normal btc users would use it for trash money
365 2011-09-15 11:27:33 <xelister> so now solidcoin is the free coin system... except the creator^H "some fund" gets part of your coins!
366 2011-09-15 11:27:39 <xelister> built-in taxaction! woot
367 2011-09-15 11:27:56 <xelister> income-tax, vat-tax, and RealSolid tax
368 2011-09-15 11:28:41 <bittwist> he needs special forces to fight off SC's enemies
369 2011-09-15 11:28:54 <Diablo-D3> yeah but he MADE those enemies
370 2011-09-15 11:29:12 * xelister grants emergency powers to RealSolid
371 2011-09-15 11:30:25 <bittwist> anyways
372 2011-09-15 11:30:31 <bittwist> he says it'd be for a nonprofit
373 2011-09-15 11:30:37 <bittwist> i call bullshit outright
374 2011-09-15 11:31:00 <bittwist> just thought it was interesting that the Fuck You I'll Take Mine mentality is trying to be shoehorned into an altchain
375 2011-09-15 11:35:04 <EskimoBob> you know what, fuck this realsolid and hes new fork. Lets use the old one and blow this shit bird off
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379 2011-09-15 11:38:05 <conman> btc forks are all doomed
380 2011-09-15 11:38:31 <conman> no matter what they say, they're all driven by greed to make a serious ponzi scheme
381 2011-09-15 11:38:48 <conman> so they're destined to die in the arse
382 2011-09-15 11:39:32 <bittwist> namecoin is the only meaningful fork that comes to mind
383 2011-09-15 11:40:02 <conman> right, but nc serves a different purpose
384 2011-09-15 11:40:08 <conman> to the greed ponzi forks
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386 2011-09-15 11:41:09 <lfm> you dont think some people genuinly think that bitcoin needs to be done a little differently to make it great?
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388 2011-09-15 11:42:05 <conman> I didn't say that
389 2011-09-15 11:42:30 <lfm> you said "they're all driven by greed" tho
390 2011-09-15 11:42:47 <conman> but the forks will die because of human nature, persistence of  already existing btc, momentum etc
391 2011-09-15 11:43:25 <ThomasV> of course they will
392 2011-09-15 11:43:53 <lfm> just as bitcoin might die
393 2011-09-15 11:44:20 <ThomasV> no, if bitcoin dies it will be for completely different reasons
394 2011-09-15 11:44:59 <EskimoBob> conman: all *coins are driven by greed
395 2011-09-15 11:45:16 <lfm> all money is driven by greed?
396 2011-09-15 11:45:34 <conman> EskimoBob, maybe
397 2011-09-15 11:45:38 <EskimoBob> *coin market value at the moment is just a result of greed and fear
398 2011-09-15 11:46:28 <ThomasV> and confidence
399 2011-09-15 11:46:32 <ThomasV> and hope
400 2011-09-15 11:46:47 <ThomasV> and generosity
401 2011-09-15 11:47:08 <EskimoBob> ThomasV: aka greed an fear - confidence and hope are byproducts
402 2011-09-15 11:47:32 <EskimoBob> so is generosity
403 2011-09-15 11:47:45 <ThomasV> byproducts, orly ?
404 2011-09-15 11:47:48 <lfm> paranoia and gulibility?
405 2011-09-15 11:48:19 <EskimoBob> really shitty mixture of greed and fear
406 2011-09-15 11:48:58 <ThomasV> and courage
407 2011-09-15 11:49:16 <EskimoBob> go up few lines an read one more time
408 2011-09-15 11:49:45 <ThomasV>  Iread that forks are doomed
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410 2011-09-15 11:50:21 <ThomasV> and I think most of them are
411 2011-09-15 11:50:42 <ThomasV> probably all ofthem
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497 2011-09-15 14:43:12 <copumpkin> any ops around?
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503 2011-09-15 14:49:28 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r205 /trunk/pom.xml: Only do Bouncy Castle shading for a newly created Android-specific build. This should resolve issues with JAR signature check failures. Patch from Gary Rowe.
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524 2011-09-15 15:11:19 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r206 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/Script.java: Fix a minor bug in OP_PUSHDATA2 (not used). Resolves issue 80.
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526 2011-09-15 15:12:23 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r207 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/ (3 files): Split out parsing of header and payload. This is useful for high-performance programs that don't always need to parse the payload. Patch from shadders (CLA agreement pending).
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539 2011-09-15 15:27:32 <log0s> tcatm: can you please remove that spike into the 12s on the mtgoxUSD charts? (i believe the actual high that day was only 7.38, at least according to what came over the websocket)...it's really annoying when trying to look at the 10 day chart
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541 2011-09-15 15:28:48 <tcatm> log0s: is that a rolled back trade?
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544 2011-09-15 15:30:19 <log0s> tcatm: not sure, but i believe it only ever existed due to a mtgox bug that skipped a ton of orders between the 7s and 12s
545 2011-09-15 15:30:49 <ThomasV> I think yes, it was rolled back
546 2011-09-15 15:31:13 <log0s> i would hope that it was rolled back
547 2011-09-15 15:31:28 <log0s> due to it's obviousness
548 2011-09-15 15:33:12 <tcatm> I'll contact mtgox
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550 2011-09-15 15:33:22 <log0s> tcatm: thanks
551 2011-09-15 15:36:15 <tcatm> so the next logical step would be writing code to auto-detect rollbacks :/
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563 2011-09-15 15:44:12 <upb> its not that hard, poll the trades interface
564 2011-09-15 15:44:26 <upb> save any new trades and detect all removed trades as rolled back :)
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577 2011-09-15 16:20:42 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r208 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
578 2011-09-15 16:20:42 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: Add a create method to Sha256Hash.
579 2011-09-15 16:20:42 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: Don't deserialize block or tx messages that were already seen, to avoid wasting battery and causing memory spikes that can trigger OOM conditions. Updates issue 73.
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584 2011-09-15 16:31:59 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r209 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/store/BoundedOverheadBlockStore.java: Make a field static. Resolves comments by Miron on r194.
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665 2011-09-15 19:03:04 <bitanarchy> what is the reason that miners don't just generate empty blocks?
666 2011-09-15 19:03:47 <gmaxwell> bitanarchy: because doing so wouldn't benefit them over not, but it would hurt bitcoin which hurts them.
667 2011-09-15 19:05:03 <bitanarchy> I understand that miners want fees, but missing a transaction wouldn't hurt them much
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669 2011-09-15 19:05:46 <mtrlt> are you asking why would they include no-fee transactions?
670 2011-09-15 19:05:57 <bitanarchy> yes
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672 2011-09-15 19:06:04 <gmaxwell> bitanarchy: Including transactions is pretty much completely costless for miners.
673 2011-09-15 19:06:08 <mtrlt> i'm wondering the same thing
674 2011-09-15 19:06:23 <jgarzik> bitanarchy: if miners ignored transactions, the bitcoin network's value would collapse
675 2011-09-15 19:06:25 <gmaxwell> Promoting the health of bitcoin makes the bitcoin they are mining more valuable.
676 2011-09-15 19:06:27 <jgarzik> bitanarchy: no value without users
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678 2011-09-15 19:06:29 <gavinandresen> Because they would have to change the code that they started with...
679 2011-09-15 19:06:37 <Blitzboom> jgarzik: the value is collapsing anyway?
680 2011-09-15 19:06:40 <gmaxwell> and gavinandresen hits the _real_ reason.
681 2011-09-15 19:06:50 <bitanarchy> mtrlt: right now with the low bitcoin price I understand
682 2011-09-15 19:06:56 <gavinandresen> ... and if they started to do that, "we" would write code shunned their blocks.
683 2011-09-15 19:07:15 <jgarzik> Blitzboom: the value is delfating back to reality at the moment.  it would quickly go straight to zero, if bitcoin users could not confirm transactions.
684 2011-09-15 19:07:24 <jgarzik> *deflating
685 2011-09-15 19:07:28 <mtrlt> gavinandresen: why aren't you already doing it?
686 2011-09-15 19:07:33 <gmaxwell> "Oh hey, lemme do some coding work which will have no effect except reducing the value of the bitcoin that I generated."
687 2011-09-15 19:07:39 <gmaxwell> mtrlt: because its a non-issue.
688 2011-09-15 19:07:53 <gavinandresen> Already shunning blocks that don't include enough transactions from the memory pool?  Hasn't percolated to the top of the priority list.
689 2011-09-15 19:08:02 <gmaxwell> And its actually a little bit tricky to block since the memory pool is not globally synchronized.
690 2011-09-15 19:08:10 <mtrlt> how do you shun blocks anyway :P
691 2011-09-15 19:08:12 <bitanarchy> gnaxwell: I missed what gavin sayed about the real reason, can you explain?
692 2011-09-15 19:08:25 <gavinandresen> you shun blocks by refusing to relay then when they are announced.
693 2011-09-15 19:08:29 <mtrlt> relay delay? or just making them invalid?
694 2011-09-15 19:08:36 <gmaxwell> mtrlt: by not forwarding or extending them until they are burried.
695 2011-09-15 19:09:06 <gmaxwell> bitanarchy: because it would take work and provide no benefit and people are lazy.
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697 2011-09-15 19:09:37 <gavinandresen> Writing block-shunning code actually IS pretty high on my priority list, to fix a potential play-with-block-time attack
698 2011-09-15 19:10:36 <gavinandresen> ^fix^mitigate^  (to make gmaxwell happy :)
699 2011-09-15 19:10:36 <Joric> lol just discovered this in bitcoinj - if (!versionMessage.hasBlockChain()) { shutdown(); // Shut down the socket
700 2011-09-15 19:10:56 <gmaxwell> heh
701 2011-09-15 19:10:57 <Joric> it drops clients that dont have a complete blockchain
702 2011-09-15 19:11:52 <gavinandresen> lets all hope and pray bitcoinj doesn't get really popular really fast....
703 2011-09-15 19:11:55 <Joric> 0.3, NetworkConnection.java, currently in svn
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705 2011-09-15 19:12:25 <gavinandresen> that's the right thing for it to do, by the way.
706 2011-09-15 19:12:37 <bitanarchy> what is wrong with a blockchainless client?
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709 2011-09-15 19:13:04 <gmaxwell> They're not too useful for other blockchainless clients to talk to.
710 2011-09-15 19:13:05 <gavinandresen> bitcoinj is a super-lightweight client that relys on its peers to tell it about the blockchain.
711 2011-09-15 19:13:20 <gavinandresen> ... so if a peer doesn't HAVE the blockchain....
712 2011-09-15 19:14:52 <jjjrmy> Anyone interested in BitPizza.net?
713 2011-09-15 19:15:23 <Joric> with cheese?
714 2011-09-15 19:15:36 <bitanarchy> gavin: can this be solved by charging a small fee for blockchain info?
715 2011-09-15 19:15:48 <gmaxwell> ...
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719 2011-09-15 19:16:24 <gmaxwell> bitanarchy: You're not understanding. If a client only needs peers with the blockchain, then there is no use in it staying connected to ones without the blockchain.
720 2011-09-15 19:17:24 <bitanarchy> gmaxwell: only to receive a fee, right?
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722 2011-09-15 19:20:35 <Joric> guess it doesn't share blocks as well
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724 2011-09-15 19:22:57 <Joric> it just looks big there's nothing but a huge mess of interfaces/abstract classes/etc
725 2011-09-15 19:23:47 <Joric> 700kb of those
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728 2011-09-15 19:28:16 <bitanarchy> where is the archive of this channel?
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732 2011-09-15 19:33:49 <jrmithdobbs> bitanarchy: in the subject
733 2011-09-15 19:34:56 <bitanarchy> jrmithdobbs: hmm must have missed that... thx
734 2011-09-15 19:36:40 <bitanarchy> Is anybody working on how to embed predictions or conditions into the blockchain, that must be verified by miners.... in order to create a decentralized escrow or prediction market?
735 2011-09-15 19:36:58 <lfm> bitanarchy: try /topic
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750 2011-09-15 20:14:42 <doublec> anyone here familiar with what ICE seizures look like?
751 2011-09-15 20:15:02 <doublec> one of the bitcoin/namecoin/solidcoin exhange/poker/betting sites has gone down, the site shows an error
752 2011-09-15 20:15:16 <doublec> but the https version returns a cerficate for www.ice.gov
753 2011-09-15 20:15:21 <doublec> https://moonco.in
754 2011-09-15 20:15:59 <gmaxwell> All the past ice seizures have worked by changing the name server for the domain
755 2011-09-15 20:16:07 <doublec> gmaxwell: right, so it seems strange
756 2011-09-15 20:16:17 <doublec> gmaxwell: the operator has deleted all their reddit posts promoting the site too
757 2011-09-15 20:16:50 <gmaxwell> The www is resoving to an Akamai IP for me.
758 2011-09-15 20:16:53 <doublec> gmaxwell: I'm wondering if they've run with the coins and put the ice thing up as a diversion. Or if they are in legal difficulty and deleted the posts for that.
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760 2011-09-15 20:18:23 <gmaxwell> I'm doubtful that it's posible to tell for sure.
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763 2011-09-15 20:21:00 <k9quaint> I can begin by checking beaches in the Virgin Islands for Mr. Moon :P
764 2011-09-15 20:21:19 <doublec> yeah, I suspect so
765 2011-09-15 20:22:01 <k9quaint> although, even if it wasn't a real seizure, it was probably only a matter of time before he was charged with running an unlicensed gambling establishment
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775 2011-09-15 20:33:27 <lfm> url?
776 2011-09-15 20:33:57 <doublec> lfm: https://moonco.in
777 2011-09-15 20:35:19 <upb> Certificate chain
778 2011-09-15 20:35:19 <upb>  0 s:/C=US/L=Washington/O=US Immigration and Customs Enforcement/OU=OCIO/ENG/ST=DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA/CN=www.ice.gov
779 2011-09-15 20:35:22 <upb>    i:/C=US/O=Akamai Technologies Inc/CN=Akamai Subordinate CA 3
780 2011-09-15 20:35:25 <upb> haha
781 2011-09-15 20:36:02 <upb> is that akamai cert really akamais?
782 2011-09-15 20:36:54 <doublec> what does a real ice cert look like?
783 2011-09-15 20:37:07 <doublec> where's a seized site when you need one
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785 2011-09-15 20:38:12 <upb> yeah seems to be valid
786 2011-09-15 20:38:42 <upb> its signed by CN = GTE CyberTrust Global Root
787 2011-09-15 20:38:43 <doublec> usually sezied domains don't get an https entry point
788 2011-09-15 20:39:18 <gmaxwell> since the CN is ice.gov thats just going to throw an error anyways.
789 2011-09-15 20:39:26 <upb> ofcourse he couldve just pointed his name at that ip
790 2011-09-15 20:39:34 <gmaxwell> It would have been super exciting to see customs get a cert with someone elses domain as the CN.
791 2011-09-15 20:39:46 <doublec> heh
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809 2011-09-15 21:15:05 <phantomcircuit> / nMisbehavior == 100 gets you a default-25-hour timeout:
810 2011-09-15 21:15:05 <phantomcircuit> https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commit/a5c763c3e092a4a22270862878140192b65b42ad
811 2011-09-15 21:15:09 <phantomcircuit> why 25 hours?
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814 2011-09-15 21:16:27 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: presumably so that "do bad thing once per day" fails. Same logic why wikipedia often uses 36 hour blocks againt people. :)
815 2011-09-15 21:16:57 <AnnihilaT> anyone here read arabic ?
816 2011-09-15 21:17:27 <lfm> most people here cant even write english
817 2011-09-15 21:17:30 <phantomcircuit> if (GetRandInt(100) < nMisbehavior)
818 2011-09-15 21:17:43 <phantomcircuit> o.O
819 2011-09-15 21:17:49 <AnnihilaT> lol
820 2011-09-15 21:17:56 <phantomcircuit> i can see a soft point around which to ban peers
821 2011-09-15 21:18:01 <phantomcircuit> but no minimum at all?
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823 2011-09-15 21:18:38 <phantomcircuit> ah he changed that
824 2011-09-15 21:18:41 <lfm> ya might be zero
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826 2011-09-15 21:19:58 <phantomcircuit> Peers are only penalized for sending messages that won't, and shouldn't, get relayed.
827 2011-09-15 21:20:16 <imsaguy> negative reinforcement
828 2011-09-15 21:21:06 <phantomcircuit> return DoS(100, error("CTransaction::CheckTransaction() : txout.nValue negative"));
829 2011-09-15 21:21:08 <phantomcircuit> lol wat
830 2011-09-15 21:21:20 <phantomcircuit> the on the wire protocol uses an unsigned integer
831 2011-09-15 21:21:23 <phantomcircuit> that isn't even possible
832 2011-09-15 21:22:51 <lfm> naw, just that negative values are an error. its still signed so far as the wire knows
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847 2011-09-15 21:49:21 <CIA-101> bitcoin: phantomcircuit * r22a4909716e1 bitcoin-alt/LICENSE: Added licensing
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890 2011-09-15 22:47:45 <xelister> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ChBR0mSWhI&NR=1#t=20m40s <------- usa hearing on alternative currencies, they mention Bitcoin ~10 seconds since 20:40   uploaded by CongressmanRonPaul on Sep 14, 2011 The hearing, entitled "Road Map to Sound Money: A Legislative Hearing on H.R. 1098 and Restoring the Dollar,"
891 2011-09-15 22:49:44 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r92e1ffd374c6 cgminer/adl.c: Store the targetfan even if the later getfanspeed fails in case it's temporary.
892 2011-09-15 22:53:24 <jjjrmy> Anyone interested in buying BitPizza.net?
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