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  22 2011-09-16 00:36:25 <dikidera> i'd like to know why does it take so much time for bitcoin to generate say 200k addresses>
  23 2011-09-16 00:36:34 <dikidera> i mean i've generated a lot with vanitygen
  24 2011-09-16 00:36:39 <dikidera> and importing them took forever
  25 2011-09-16 00:36:47 <dikidera> like 1 key per 10 seconds with pywallet
  26 2011-09-16 00:37:07 <dikidera> so why does bitcoin's own keypool take forever as well?
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  28 2011-09-16 00:38:01 <dikidera> it took me a lot of hours to generate 138k addresses
  29 2011-09-16 00:38:18 <dikidera> wallet went >100mb which was understandable
  30 2011-09-16 00:39:45 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r67fe6ab7265f cgminer/ (adl.c miner.h): Don't both with adapter speed set as it has no effect on mining speed.
  31 2011-09-16 00:39:46 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r3c38adc9ce1b cgminer/adl.c: Only set the speed once, but set it only if fanspeed get says the card is ok and ready.
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  40 2011-09-16 00:53:46 <sacarlson> ;;bc,calcd 270 0.061
  41 2011-09-16 00:53:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 270 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.061, is 16 minutes and 10 seconds
  42 2011-09-16 00:55:44 <log0s> dikidera: i'm not sure, but i'd guess that for each address you generate/import it checks the blockchain to see if any bitcoins have been sent to it
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  45 2011-09-16 00:59:51 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r07c21bcbc4f5 cgminer/adl.c: Don't forget to set the actual fanspeed too!
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  48 2011-09-16 01:04:46 <pointbiz> dikidera: what's the point of generating so many addresses?
  49 2011-09-16 01:05:34 <gmaxwell> dikidera: importing keys causes a scan of the blockchain to determine if the key has a balance.
  50 2011-09-16 01:08:22 <dikidera> gmaxwell:can this not be done AFTER they have been genned?
  51 2011-09-16 01:08:32 <dikidera> i think it would be a few percent faster
  52 2011-09-16 01:09:36 <gmaxwell> can? sure. Few percent? fuck no. The scan should take approximately the same time if you scanning one key or a zillion. It should be ~N way faster where N is the number of keys you're importing.
  53 2011-09-16 01:09:51 <gmaxwell> But who cares, there isn't much of a valid use case for importing seriously large numbers of keys.
  54 2011-09-16 01:09:53 <log0s> pointbiz: i'm not sure what his use case is, but if i were to run an ecommerce site, i'd pre-generate a large number of addresses and have only the public keys accessible by the website software and keep the private keys offline somewhere
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  56 2011-09-16 01:10:33 <gmaxwell> (or at least not one where a long load time actually matters)
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  61 2011-09-16 01:25:15 <pointbiz> ah
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 104 2011-09-16 02:45:47 <dikidera> was wondering
 105 2011-09-16 02:46:11 <dikidera> are there any other bitcoin clients with server mode? when i say bitcoin clients i mean forks or written in other languages?
 106 2011-09-16 02:46:32 <dikidera> bitcoinj is one, but it has no server mode i.e solo mining
 107 2011-09-16 02:46:45 <theymos> No.
 108 2011-09-16 02:46:50 <theymos> It's very difficult to write one.
 109 2011-09-16 02:47:11 <dikidera> can you tell me where to look in the code where a getwork is generated?
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 115 2011-09-16 02:49:04 <nanotube> Matth1a31: ;;
 116 2011-09-16 02:49:42 <jjjrmy> Selling BitPizza.net. Anyone interested?
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 118 2011-09-16 02:49:49 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 7 hours, 36 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> ... so if a peer doesn't HAVE the blockchain....
 119 2011-09-16 02:50:16 <Matth1a31> nanotube: =)
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 207 2011-09-16 06:59:55 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r5a24c2829a83 cgminer/adl.c: Try to set temperature regardless of whether get fanspeed fails. This may need to be reverted if it causes problems.
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 285 2011-09-16 09:26:01 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas master * r51ba863 / (lib/peermanager.js lib/schema/transaction.js): Two minor log message improvements. - http://git.io/FhsyFg
 286 2011-09-16 09:26:02 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas master * re2c6d91 / lib/node.js : Don't request transactions we won't be downloading. - http://git.io/RyNKlA
 287 2011-09-16 09:26:02 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas master * rf7921b6 / lib/transactionstore.js : Fix transaction store callback handling. - http://git.io/qN7q6w
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 293 2011-09-16 09:40:13 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
 294 2011-09-16 09:40:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 145577 | Current Difficulty: 1755425.3203287 | Next Difficulty At Block: 147167 | Next Difficulty In: 1590 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, 32 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1736988.87430903
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 302 2011-09-16 10:19:50 <tcatm> cuqa: which?
 303 2011-09-16 10:20:12 <tcatm> rpctimeout?
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 307 2011-09-16 10:21:13 <cuqa> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin
 308 2011-09-16 10:23:18 <tcatm> It is used when connecting to other nodes.
 309 2011-09-16 10:23:43 <tcatm> i.e. if the other node doesn't respond before the timeout another node is tried
 310 2011-09-16 10:24:14 <cuqa> i see. thanks
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 313 2011-09-16 10:27:59 <CIA-101> poolserverj: More block change updates
 314 2011-09-16 10:27:59 <CIA-101> poolserverj: - fix: prevent work being served from a source until it's confirmed on the new block
 315 2011-09-16 10:27:59 <CIA-101> poolserverj: - pause work fetching for source until it's confirm on the new block
 316 2011-09-16 10:27:59 <CIA-101> poolserverj: - add prev_block_hash checks to each incoming work as a new block indicator. This reduces the amount of polling needed when not in native longpoll mode.
 317 2011-09-16 10:27:59 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * fe3b2178e9fa r73 /poolserverj-main/src/main/java/com/shadworld/poolserver/conf/Conf.java: - fix: set autoReconnect=true on JDBC connections. worker caching can leave long intervals between uses of the connection causing sql server to time it out.
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 354 2011-09-16 12:23:17 <cuqa> mh, when using bitcoind 4diff patch, can I disable long polling in pushpool's config file?
 355 2011-09-16 12:23:34 <cuqa> or does it somehow work together?
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 357 2011-09-16 12:24:47 <gmaxwell> 'somehow'? I suggest you don't apply patches that you don't understand!
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 360 2011-09-16 12:33:43 <cuqa> oh, I am sorry
 361 2011-09-16 12:33:51 <cuqa> i should better turn my pc completely off
 362 2011-09-16 12:34:24 <gmaxwell> cuqa: unplug it, it's the only way to be sure.
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 364 2011-09-16 12:35:22 <gmaxwell> But really, the early versions of that patch basically attacked the network. Your question indicated that you don't have a clue how its long polling feature works. So why bother running it?
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 367 2011-09-16 12:41:26 <cuqa> because I have read at multiple sources that their Long Polling is superior to blkmond
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 369 2011-09-16 12:42:47 <cuqa> I mean its not like I would have really understand how blkmond has worked, so I trust that ppl if they say with the patch its better
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 401 2011-09-16 14:04:17 <makomk> cuqa: it only replaces blkmond, you still need to enable long polling in the pushpool config and you need to set the correct option in bitcoind to enable it too.
 402 2011-09-16 14:05:02 <cuqa> alright, thx
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 447 2011-09-16 14:58:09 <MrSam> you rock :)
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 498 2011-09-16 16:45:58 <jgarzik> Please test: bitcoin 0.4.0 release candidate #2 posted at https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.4.0/test/
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 504 2011-09-16 16:50:13 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: ^^
 505 2011-09-16 16:50:29 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: nice!
 506 2011-09-16 16:50:35 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: github's downloads are a flat-file hierarchy...  do we really have to use it?  :(
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 508 2011-09-16 16:50:54 <gavinandresen> No, we don't have to.
 509 2011-09-16 16:50:55 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: that will quickly become a stupidly large list
 510 2011-09-16 16:51:44 <gavinandresen> The only reason I'd like to is to get https downloads, for that little bit of extra security.
 511 2011-09-16 16:52:13 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I thought github downloads were not https, after all?  Could have sworn I saw that comment float by...
 512 2011-09-16 16:52:41 <gavinandresen> They redirect to a http: EC2, but said it was OK if we linked directly to the https: EC2
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 514 2011-09-16 16:52:50 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: ah!
 515 2011-09-16 16:53:13 <gavinandresen> The only downside is the direct-download url is unfriendly.
 516 2011-09-16 16:53:22 <gavinandresen> And looks untrustworthy, so....
 517 2011-09-16 16:53:57 <gavinandresen> e.g.    https://d24z2fz21y4fag.cloudfront.net/downloads/bitcoin/bitcoin/bitcoin-0.4rc2.dmg
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 519 2011-09-16 16:54:55 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: anyway, this week was definitely a busy week for me, sorry about the delay.  My release engineering is pretty stupid simple:  the buildbots create linux and windows zips.  I unpack the linux into a bitcoin-$VERSION directory, then tar it.  I unpack the windows into bitcoin-$VERSION, remove the included *win32-setup.exe, then zip it back up.  Then create bitcoin-$VERSION-src.tar.gz using instructions in do
 520 2011-09-16 16:54:55 <jgarzik> c/release-process.txt.  gpg --clearsign, and upload.
 521 2011-09-16 16:54:59 <gavinandresen> Then again, maybe an untrustworthy-looking URL would be a good thing if it made people stop and compute shasums
 522 2011-09-16 16:55:18 <imsaguy2> what's the difference between the 'all transactions' tab and the 'sent/received' tab?
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 524 2011-09-16 16:55:22 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I doubt the majority would bother, even with a weird URL :)
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 526 2011-09-16 16:55:41 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: but if a minority DID bother it might be a good early warning system
 527 2011-09-16 16:55:57 <jgarzik> true
 528 2011-09-16 16:56:09 <tcatm> imsaguy2: all transactions will show generated coins
 529 2011-09-16 16:56:15 <imsaguy2> thanks tcatm
 530 2011-09-16 16:56:46 <imsaguy2> Why isn't there an associated tab for 'generated coins' then?
 531 2011-09-16 16:56:59 <gavinandresen> imsaguy2: because we all hate wxwidgets
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 535 2011-09-16 16:59:02 <imsaguy2> So you want/would accept a patch that adds that tab?
 536 2011-09-16 16:59:33 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: anyway, the ^^^ is my process.  if I ever become a blocker, someone else can run with that simple process
 537 2011-09-16 16:59:51 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: it's mainly simple repackaging to get the bitcoin-$VERSION directory inside the zips and tarballs
 538 2011-09-16 17:00:25 <tcatm> imsaguy2: wouldn't make much sense now that most people use pools
 539 2011-09-16 17:00:59 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: and I can still upload to github right now, if you'd like.    I just don't like the flat hierarchy much, is my comment.
 540 2011-09-16 17:01:18 <jgarzik> now is the time, if we want github uploads
 541 2011-09-16 17:01:40 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: thanks.  Yes, I'd like to try github for downloads, see if we like it.
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 545 2011-09-16 17:03:52 <jgarzik> I wonder what github's disk limits are
 546 2011-09-16 17:03:55 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: re: flat hierarchy:  removing old releases from github could be part of the normal release process in the future.  We really don't want people downloading really old releases anyway (although it is nice to be able to track the number of downloads of releases over time)
 547 2011-09-16 17:04:43 * jgarzik taps his foot... github uploader stuck at zero percent
 548 2011-09-16 17:04:55 <jgarzik> I <heart> HTML5
 549 2011-09-16 17:05:40 <copumpkin> ♥
 550 2011-09-16 17:06:06 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: hmm, github has soft disk space limits... "if you find yourself needing more disk space for a legitimate use, email support@github.com"
 551 2011-09-16 17:06:49 <tcatm> 300MB soft-limit if we use the free plan
 552 2011-09-16 17:07:20 <gavinandresen> plenty of room for downloads
 553 2011-09-16 17:07:59 <tcatm> one release is about 30MB (2x win, linux, osx)
 554 2011-09-16 17:08:08 <jgarzik> still at zero percent.  time for lunch, will check back afterwards for upload progress.
 555 2011-09-16 17:08:21 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: weird, was quick for me a couple days ago
 556 2011-09-16 17:08:45 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: btw, after uploading bitcoin-0.4.0rc2-macosx.dmg, I'll remove bitcoin-0.4rc2.dmg
 557 2011-09-16 17:08:52 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: should be byte-for-byte the same file
 558 2011-09-16 17:09:03 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: cool, thanks
 559 2011-09-16 17:09:11 <dikidera> so
 560 2011-09-16 17:09:13 <dikidera> "According to Webroot, Mebromi targets Award BIOS and attaches itself to it so it can infect a client computer over and over again. The malware then infects the master boot record to be able to infect winlogon.exe or winnt.exe to be able to use Windows to download additional malware. There is no easy way to get rid of Mebromi at this time as traditional anti-virus software won't reach down
 561 2011-09-16 17:09:13 <dikidera> to the BIOS level."
 562 2011-09-16 17:09:42 <dikidera> screwed?
 563 2011-09-16 17:09:45 <dikidera> i have award...
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 576 2011-09-16 17:32:42 <dikidera> helo:while this targets windows
 577 2011-09-16 17:32:51 <dikidera> it can say..target linux as well
 578 2011-09-16 17:32:54 <dikidera> i think ubuntu
 579 2011-09-16 17:33:17 <dikidera> and while an asap patch will be issued
 580 2011-09-16 17:33:34 <dikidera> it could by the time they update, steal a bitcoin wallet
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 587 2011-09-16 17:40:35 <joepie91> dikidera, that depends on whether the malware would be able to install itself on linux in the first place
 588 2011-09-16 17:40:47 <joepie91> it's not like windows has this super good security or anything
 589 2011-09-16 17:40:47 <joepie91> >.>
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 591 2011-09-16 17:42:55 <imsaguy2> well, now that users aren't running as root all the time, things have gotten better
 592 2011-09-16 17:43:26 <imsaguy2> the primary infection method of windows is no longer the OS itself, but rather security vulnerabilities in flash/java/reader
 593 2011-09-16 17:44:19 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: Windows allows those to have security vulns ;)
 594 2011-09-16 17:44:39 <luke-jr> to be fair, Linux does too
 595 2011-09-16 17:44:53 <luke-jr> a more sensible OS would isolate each application ;)
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 599 2011-09-16 17:45:31 <luke-jr> and force them to go through the OS's standard Open/Save dialogs to get a read/write handle to the user's files
 600 2011-09-16 17:45:51 <neofutur> I d not even try to have a browser and a wallet on the same computer
 601 2011-09-16 17:46:04 <neofutur> or at least noton the same user account
 602 2011-09-16 17:46:14 <luke-jr> if Intel wasn't a jerk, you could even run each app in a dedicated VM :p
 603 2011-09-16 17:46:35 <luke-jr> actually, maybe even with intel being a jerk
 604 2011-09-16 17:47:46 <luke-jr> but if Intel didn't keep IOMMUs away from commodity hardware, you could run your "real" OS in a VM with direct hw access, and have the wallet on the host OS providing the VM with a locked-down interface
 605 2011-09-16 17:48:04 <luke-jr> it'd almost be like the wallet was a hardware chip
 606 2011-09-16 17:48:36 <imsaguy2> luke-jr, the virtualization limitation isn't just intel, its M$
 607 2011-09-16 17:48:46 <imsaguy2> they make you license every damn virtualized OS
 608 2011-09-16 17:48:51 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: nonsense
 609 2011-09-16 17:49:00 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: you just run the host OS as a stripped down Linux
 610 2011-09-16 17:49:17 <luke-jr> and only license the VM
 611 2011-09-16 17:49:19 <imsaguy2> fine, but the oem license you get covers the host, not the virtualized OS
 612 2011-09-16 17:49:41 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: so warez it
 613 2011-09-16 17:49:44 <imsaguy2> lol
 614 2011-09-16 17:49:51 <imsaguy2> luke-jr, are you suggesting somethign illegal?
 615 2011-09-16 17:49:52 <luke-jr> they can't legally tie the OS to hardware
 616 2011-09-16 17:50:02 <luke-jr> I'm suggesting a grey workaround for an illegal restriction
 617 2011-09-16 17:50:04 <luke-jr> ;)
 618 2011-09-16 17:50:34 <luke-jr> doctrine of first sale: you can resell anything you buy as-is
 619 2011-09-16 17:50:43 <luke-jr> so resell your "OEM" Windows to a friend, and vice-versa
 620 2011-09-16 17:50:50 <luke-jr> then fair use kicks in to justify warez
 621 2011-09-16 17:51:08 <imsaguy2> nah
 622 2011-09-16 17:51:13 <imsaguy2> there's anti transfer clauses
 623 2011-09-16 17:51:23 <luke-jr> licenses can't override laws
 624 2011-09-16 17:51:28 <imsaguy2> you can't resell oem unless you sell everything that came with it
 625 2011-09-16 17:51:34 <luke-jr> it's illegal for a license to forbid resale
 626 2011-09-16 17:51:44 <luke-jr> also, EULAs have no legal force
 627 2011-09-16 17:51:56 <imsaguy2> right.
 628 2011-09-16 17:52:05 <imsaguy2> They spend all that time and energy for naught.
 629 2011-09-16 17:52:08 <luke-jr> it's all fear tactics to force you to play their game
 630 2011-09-16 17:52:28 <luke-jr> besides, there's no real reason to run Windows in the first place ;)
 631 2011-09-16 17:52:49 <imsaguy2> oh yeah?
 632 2011-09-16 17:53:19 <luke-jr> I sure don't miss it.
 633 2011-09-16 17:53:27 <luke-jr> I've been Windows-free for like 8 years now, at least
 634 2011-09-16 17:53:30 <luke-jr> probably longer
 635 2011-09-16 17:53:35 <lianj> maybe if youre too happy, use windows to bring thing to a level again
 636 2011-09-16 17:53:40 <imsaguy2> Just because you don't miss it, doesn't mean 'theres no real reason'
 637 2011-09-16 17:53:43 <luke-jr> lianj: LOL
 638 2011-09-16 17:53:54 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: give ONE valid reason
 639 2011-09-16 17:54:05 <Dagger3> I've been using linux for the past week or two. I have to say: at least Windows could manage to do multiple monitors
 640 2011-09-16 17:54:15 <imsaguy2> Management of multiple machines is 1000x easier
 641 2011-09-16 17:54:20 <luke-jr> Dagger3: that's probably your fault for having a crappy video card ;)
 642 2011-09-16 17:54:25 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: not true
 643 2011-09-16 17:54:29 <gjs278> hahaha
 644 2011-09-16 17:54:33 <gjs278> you think management of multiple machines
 645 2011-09-16 17:54:36 <gjs278> is easier on WINDOWS
 646 2011-09-16 17:54:38 <gjs278> are you retarded
 647 2011-09-16 17:54:43 <Dagger3> on Linux, you have to sacrifice either the ability to drag windows between monitors, or 2d hardware acceleration. that's a pretty crap choice
 648 2011-09-16 17:54:58 <luke-jr> Dagger3: I highly doubt that.
 649 2011-09-16 17:55:06 <joepie91> Dagger: what kind of card?
 650 2011-09-16 17:55:10 <luke-jr> last time I messed with 2 monitors, I had fully functional 3D accel on both
 651 2011-09-16 17:55:18 <luke-jr> and dragged across them fine
 652 2011-09-16 17:55:28 <phantomcircuit> WHY IS .click() NOT DEFINED ON <a> ELEMENTS
 653 2011-09-16 17:55:28 <joepie91> I have no issues with my card in multiple monitor mode and 3d acceleration, using catalyst (after installing the 'official' one rather than the 'patched' one which actually broke stuff)
 654 2011-09-16 17:55:29 <phantomcircuit> >.>
 655 2011-09-16 17:55:40 <joepie91> phantomcircuit, you sure you're using jquery? :P
 656 2011-09-16 17:55:44 <luke-jr> joepie91: that's not really Linux anyhow
 657 2011-09-16 17:55:46 <phantomcircuit> lololol
 658 2011-09-16 17:55:51 <Dagger3> I'm using an ATI HD6800 and HD3300
 659 2011-09-16 17:55:53 <phantomcircuit> joepie91, it should be there regardless
 660 2011-09-16 17:56:03 <luke-jr> Dagger3: with real Linux, ie not catalyst?
 661 2011-09-16 17:56:09 <imsaguy2> phantomcircuitn, you must be on windows
 662 2011-09-16 17:56:12 <joepie91> Dagger3: I have a HD3650, should work fine with official catalyst drivers.
 663 2011-09-16 17:56:16 <imsaguy2> after all, linux is perfect
 664 2011-09-16 17:56:19 <Dagger3> xrandr can't cope with multiple GPUs, and Xinerama can't cope with 2d acceleration
 665 2011-09-16 17:56:20 <joepie91> HD6800, I'm not sure
 666 2011-09-16 17:56:30 <phantomcircuit> imsaguy2, lol firefox is anything but perfect
 667 2011-09-16 17:56:37 <luke-jr> Dagger3: Xinerama is obsolete; xrandr works fine
 668 2011-09-16 17:56:37 <joepie91> phantomcircuit, click() is a jquery function, as far as I am aware
 669 2011-09-16 17:56:37 <imsaguy2> ooh
 670 2011-09-16 17:56:40 <imsaguy2> thats a double wammy
 671 2011-09-16 17:56:42 <joepie91> not a native javascript function
 672 2011-09-16 17:56:49 <Dagger3> luke-jr: I'm using fglrx, admittedly, but I'm about 85% sure the situation is identical for the xorg drivers
 673 2011-09-16 17:56:50 <luke-jr> Dagger3: try with real Linux, not catalyst
 674 2011-09-16 17:56:53 <joepie91> (but don't pin me on it)
 675 2011-09-16 17:57:08 <luke-jr> Dagger3: also, I used multiple GPUs with catalyst
 676 2011-09-16 17:57:12 <phantomcircuit> imsaguy2, they rejected my perfectly functional socks5 user/pass auth patch
 677 2011-09-16 17:57:16 <phantomcircuit> joepie91, http://krook.org/jsdom/HTMLAnchorElement.html
 678 2011-09-16 17:57:17 <luke-jr> before I moved my Radeon to a VM
 679 2011-09-16 17:57:19 <phantomcircuit> joepie91, nope :P
 680 2011-09-16 17:57:20 <Dagger3> luke-jr: yes, it might be obsolete, but *xrandr can't do multiple GPUs*, so it's my only choice if I want to drag windows between monitors
 681 2011-09-16 17:57:21 <gjs278> I have used multiple gpus on catalyst
 682 2011-09-16 17:57:26 <luke-jr> Dagger3: yes, it can
 683 2011-09-16 17:57:40 <lianj> phantomcircuit: <a onclick="alert('COINS');">
 684 2011-09-16 17:57:40 <luke-jr> oh, dragging stuff across different GPUs O.o
 685 2011-09-16 17:57:45 <luke-jr> admittedly, I never tried that one
 686 2011-09-16 17:58:01 <luke-jr> my monitors were on the same GPU
 687 2011-09-16 17:58:06 <joepie91> phantomcircuit, pretty sure that's IE-specific
 688 2011-09-16 17:58:13 <joepie91> not entirely sure though
 689 2011-09-16 17:58:26 * joepie91 is googling
 690 2011-09-16 17:58:47 <phantomcircuit> IT IS
 691 2011-09-16 17:58:52 <joepie91> "Prior to Gecko 5.0 (Firefox 5.0 / Thunderbird 5.0 / SeaMonkey 2.2) , Gecko didn't implement the click method on other elements that might be expected to respond to mouse–clicks such as links (A elements), nor will it necessarily fire the click event of other elements. However, now it is supported by all elements, as required by HTML5.
 692 2011-09-16 17:58:52 <joepie91> Non–Gecko DOMs may behave differently."
 693 2011-09-16 17:58:55 <phantomcircuit> damn it ALL javascript sites
 694 2011-09-16 17:59:03 <Dagger3> it can combine two+ outputs on one card into a single screen, but it can't combine outputs on multiple cards (one screen = one thing you can drag windows around on)
 695 2011-09-16 17:59:30 <Dagger3> so, hence my choice. even though Windows can handle this!
 696 2011-09-16 17:59:30 <phantomcircuit> so how does jquery simulate .click()!?
 697 2011-09-16 17:59:35 <joepie91> eh
 698 2011-09-16 17:59:37 <joepie91> it doesn't
 699 2011-09-16 17:59:43 <joepie91> jquery.click is a way to assign an onClick event
 700 2011-09-16 17:59:46 <joepie91> to an element
 701 2011-09-16 17:59:50 <phantomcircuit> oh right
 702 2011-09-16 17:59:58 <phantomcircuit> bah
 703 2011-09-16 18:00:01 <phantomcircuit> regex timez
 704 2011-09-16 18:00:04 * joepie91 is not sure what you're trying to do
 705 2011-09-16 18:00:04 <phantomcircuit> oh man
 706 2011-09-16 18:00:10 <phantomcircuit> h4x
 707 2011-09-16 18:00:11 <joepie91> what exactly... are you trying to do? :P
 708 2011-09-16 18:00:18 <phantomcircuit> horrible
 709 2011-09-16 18:00:21 <phantomcircuit> horrible h4x
 710 2011-09-16 18:00:23 <luke-jr> Dagger3: maybe put them in a Windows VM, run an X server, and use Windows as a bloated X server? :P
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 712 2011-09-16 18:00:46 * joepie91 brb
 713 2011-09-16 18:00:48 <imsaguy2> wow
 714 2011-09-16 18:00:51 <imsaguy2> thats really stupid
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 716 2011-09-16 18:01:00 <luke-jr> :P
 717 2011-09-16 18:01:40 <phantomcircuit> b[0].href.substr("javascript:".length)
 718 2011-09-16 18:01:43 <phantomcircuit> :X
 719 2011-09-16 18:01:54 <Dagger3> luke-jr: I think I'd lose hardware acceleration at some point in that, in which case I'd just use Xinerama :P
 720 2011-09-16 18:02:39 <luke-jr> Dagger3: why? O.o
 721 2011-09-16 18:02:51 <luke-jr> Windows still lacks a 3D-capable X server? XD
 722 2011-09-16 18:03:25 * luke-jr needs to rebuild his mining VM in 32-bit mode so he can run PCSX2 in it
 723 2011-09-16 18:03:41 <Dagger3> oh, the other big multi-monitor issue I had was that you can't put the mouse into the corners of your tallest monitor; it just skips down onto the adjacent one
 724 2011-09-16 18:03:54 <luke-jr> lol
 725 2011-09-16 18:04:04 <luke-jr> well, I decided multi-monitor was a waste years ago :P
 726 2011-09-16 18:04:13 <Dagger3> which makes it really, really irritating to interact with anything in the corners, like the close button, or several of Firefox's toolbar buttons
 727 2011-09-16 18:04:19 <gjs278> fluxbox handles multiple workspaces well enough that I use one
 728 2011-09-16 18:04:19 <luke-jr> I only ever looked at/used the brightest of the pair
 729 2011-09-16 18:05:01 * joepie91 loves his second monitor
 730 2011-09-16 18:05:20 <Dagger3> (if you use xrandr, that doesn't happen: instead the mouse just goes off into the hidden dead space. c'mon X, this is incredibly basic stuff that Windows has done right for over a decade)
 731 2011-09-16 18:05:24 <joepie91> 1920x1080 + 1280x1024
 732 2011-09-16 18:05:26 <joepie91> works beautifully
 733 2011-09-16 18:05:35 <luke-jr> I could see mounting my N900 above my monitor as a "status" monitor :P
 734 2011-09-16 18:05:52 * joepie91 actually uses the hidden dead space to scroll through his desktops, and finds it incredibly handy
 735 2011-09-16 18:06:08 <luke-jr> lol
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 737 2011-09-16 18:06:19 <joepie91> through workspaces*
 738 2011-09-16 18:06:23 <luke-jr> I have too many desktops to scroll through
 739 2011-09-16 18:06:25 <Dagger3> then I get stuff like this: http://oi56.tinypic.com/28l9urq.jpg (the top of the menu is aligned with the top of my smallest monitor. rather than the menu bar...)
 740 2011-09-16 18:06:46 <luke-jr> Dagger3: well, don't use GNOME crap :P
 741 2011-09-16 18:06:53 <joepie91> yes, that is an issue I *did* have
 742 2011-09-16 18:06:59 <joepie91> the menu in the wrong place issue
 743 2011-09-16 18:07:07 <joepie91> I have my monitors at very different heights so that may cause it
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 745 2011-09-16 18:07:28 <gjs278> I would try a different wm before I blame X
 746 2011-09-16 18:07:50 <luke-jr> I never had that problem with KDE 3
 747 2011-09-16 18:07:52 <joepie91> http://owely.com/3rVWzl
 748 2011-09-16 18:07:57 <Dagger3> luke-jr: I don't think that's GNOME, actually... everything else GNOME works fine
 749 2011-09-16 18:08:06 * joepie91 has had the issue with both GNOME and XFCE
 750 2011-09-16 18:08:07 <luke-jr> Dagger3: GNOME never works fine
 751 2011-09-16 18:08:13 <luke-jr> joepie91: XFCE is just a mini-GNOME
 752 2011-09-16 18:08:17 <joepie91> lol
 753 2011-09-16 18:08:18 <luke-jr> still uses GTK
 754 2011-09-16 18:08:22 <luke-jr> try KDE
 755 2011-09-16 18:08:22 <joepie91> I like XFCE though
 756 2011-09-16 18:08:24 <joepie91> ew
 757 2011-09-16 18:08:24 <joepie91> no
 758 2011-09-16 18:08:30 <gjs278> try fluxbox
 759 2011-09-16 18:08:36 <luke-jr> fluxbox is GTK too, isn't it?
 760 2011-09-16 18:08:37 <joepie91> I tried it again recently, didn't have ANY applications running yet it was laggy as fuck
 761 2011-09-16 18:08:38 <Dagger3> well, ok, it works GNOMEy. but at least the menus are in the right place
 762 2011-09-16 18:08:43 <luke-jr> joepie91: fail
 763 2011-09-16 18:08:48 <gjs278> fluxbox has no gtk I beleive
 764 2011-09-16 18:08:51 <joepie91> KDE = bloaaaaaatg
 765 2011-09-16 18:08:53 <joepie91> bloaaaat*
 766 2011-09-16 18:08:59 <luke-jr> GNOME = more bloat
 767 2011-09-16 18:09:01 <joepie91> lolno
 768 2011-09-16 18:09:03 <luke-jr> yes
 769 2011-09-16 18:09:06 <joepie91> at least GNOME ran rather smoothly
 770 2011-09-16 18:09:09 <luke-jr> GNOME = more bloat, less options
 771 2011-09-16 18:09:10 <joepie91> KDE absolutely didn't
 772 2011-09-16 18:09:13 <joepie91> eh
 773 2011-09-16 18:09:20 <luke-jr> joepie91: KDE doesn't support non-free drivers well
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 775 2011-09-16 18:09:21 <luke-jr> joepie91: turn off 3D stuff
 776 2011-09-16 18:09:26 <joepie91> I have tried both free and nonfree drivers
 777 2011-09-16 18:09:27 <joepie91> I set KDE at minimum graphical stuff
 778 2011-09-16 18:09:31 <joepie91> and GNOME at maximum compiz effects
 779 2011-09-16 18:09:32 <luke-jr> minimum = off
 780 2011-09-16 18:09:35 <joepie91> GNOME performed better.
 781 2011-09-16 18:09:38 <luke-jr> nonsense
 782 2011-09-16 18:09:38 <gjs278> fluxbox does not use gtk, it's not a dep
 783 2011-09-16 18:09:45 <ThomasV> gnome is cute. kde is ugly. I am not a troll.
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 785 2011-09-16 18:09:46 <luke-jr> last time I tried GNOME, I couldn't even use it
 786 2011-09-16 18:09:49 <joepie91> eh, I'm pretty damn sure that was the outcome of my tests lol
 787 2011-09-16 18:09:51 <luke-jr> ThomasV: liar
 788 2011-09-16 18:10:06 <joepie91> that you don't expect it doesn't make it 'nonsense'
 789 2011-09-16 18:10:11 <luke-jr> ThomasV: KDE looks exactly like you tell it to
 790 2011-09-16 18:10:14 <joepie91> I've had the same experiences on multiple machines
 791 2011-09-16 18:10:19 <joepie91> KDE would often not even boot
 792 2011-09-16 18:10:22 <joepie91> while GNOME ran just fine
 793 2011-09-16 18:10:24 <k9quaint> joepie91: gnome2 or 3?
 794 2011-09-16 18:10:26 <luke-jr> joepie91: KDE performs instantly on my Intel GPU
 795 2011-09-16 18:10:27 <joepie91> 2.
 796 2011-09-16 18:10:33 <joepie91> 3 is horrible
 797 2011-09-16 18:10:39 <k9quaint> yeah, 3 wouldnt work at all for me
 798 2011-09-16 18:10:44 <luke-jr> lol @ using obsolete versions
 799 2011-09-16 18:10:44 <k9quaint> just checking :)
 800 2011-09-16 18:10:46 <Dagger3> while I'm ranting, I'll also mention that I wasn't too impressed at having to futz with /etc/asound.conf to *allow multiple programs to output audio at the same time*... and then again to be able to change the output volume
 801 2011-09-16 18:10:58 <joepie91> luke-jr, not everyone wants his desktop to be a giant tablet with a keyboard.
 802 2011-09-16 18:11:01 <luke-jr> Dagger3: sounds like a distro issue
 803 2011-09-16 18:11:11 <joepie91> just saying.
 804 2011-09-16 18:11:11 <luke-jr> joepie91: that's why I use GNOME
 805 2011-09-16 18:11:15 <luke-jr> err
 806 2011-09-16 18:11:15 <Dagger3> (ALSA automatically sets up a mixer for you if you're using an analogue card. using a digital card? time to break out your text editor)
 807 2011-09-16 18:11:16 <luke-jr> KDE
 808 2011-09-16 18:11:19 <joepie91> ..
 809 2011-09-16 18:11:26 <joepie91> luke-jr, you don't seem to have any clue what you're talking about
 810 2011-09-16 18:11:29 <luke-jr> joepie91: no u
 811 2011-09-16 18:11:29 <joepie91> re: GNOME
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 813 2011-09-16 18:11:32 <ThomasV> luke-jr: see? you use gnome
 814 2011-09-16 18:11:35 <joepie91> that, or you're trolling
 815 2011-09-16 18:11:35 <luke-jr> KDE is 100% configurable
 816 2011-09-16 18:11:44 <luke-jr> except for menu tear-offs
 817 2011-09-16 18:11:46 <luke-jr> they took that out :<
 818 2011-09-16 18:11:57 <luke-jr> I think I heard it was being added back tho
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 820 2011-09-16 18:12:00 <luke-jr> oh, and Mac-style menus
 821 2011-09-16 18:12:07 <ThomasV> nvidia is better than KDE
 822 2011-09-16 18:12:11 <k9quaint> gnome 2 works fine for me, KDE is infinitely configurable and its what I actually run on my mining rig
 823 2011-09-16 18:12:17 <luke-jr> ……
 824 2011-09-16 18:12:25 <luke-jr> WHY THE HECK DO YOU RUN A WM ON A MINING RIG?
 825 2011-09-16 18:12:26 <ThomasV> lovely spam!
 826 2011-09-16 18:12:45 <k9quaint> luke-jr: because I am also developing on it
 827 2011-09-16 18:12:47 <Dagger3> so. yeah. reasons to use Windows: this basic shit actually works
 828 2011-09-16 18:13:13 <luke-jr> Dagger3: Windows doesn't support either of the features I mentioned missing in KDE 4
 829 2011-09-16 18:13:33 <luke-jr> last I checked, anyhow
 830 2011-09-16 18:13:39 <k9quaint> luke-jr: and I can have kde run in stripped down quiescent mode
 831 2011-09-16 18:13:52 <joepie91> Dagger3: basic shit has always worked for me, unless I was fucking around with things myself and broke it myself.
 832 2011-09-16 18:13:55 <luke-jr> k9quaint: tbh, I'd probably use twm if I wanted stripped-down
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 834 2011-09-16 18:14:04 <Dagger3> luke-jr: but even KDE4 won't give me hardware accel
 835 2011-09-16 18:14:07 <joepie91> what distro are you using?
 836 2011-09-16 18:14:14 <luke-jr> Dagger3: KDE4 isn't responsible for hw accel
 837 2011-09-16 18:14:29 <k9quaint> luke-jr: yeah, I thought about TWM but KDE was easier for me
 838 2011-09-16 18:14:51 <Dagger3> I'll admit I've been pretty happy other than the multiple monitor issues, but those are fatal to my ability to actually *use* my desktop
 839 2011-09-16 18:14:55 * luke-jr notes ALSA just works for him on Gentoo
 840 2011-09-16 18:15:04 <joepie91> Dagger3, what distro are you using?
 841 2011-09-16 18:15:08 <Dagger3> joepie91: Debian. but the multi-monitor crap is X's responsibility
 842 2011-09-16 18:15:12 <joepie91> mm..
 843 2011-09-16 18:15:21 <joepie91> I think that might be your problem
 844 2011-09-16 18:15:21 <joepie91> :P
 845 2011-09-16 18:15:31 <luke-jr> joepie91: nah, Debian is a good choice usually
 846 2011-09-16 18:15:33 <joepie91> if you want a distro that 'just works', Debian is probably not a good idea
 847 2011-09-16 18:15:37 <luke-jr> …
 848 2011-09-16 18:15:40 <luke-jr> yes it is :P
 849 2011-09-16 18:15:48 <ThomasV> luke-jr: I said to RealSolid that he was a troll ; he banned me again
 850 2011-09-16 18:15:54 <joepie91> luke-jr, dated hardware support, terminal and/or manual config editing required to get things really running
 851 2011-09-16 18:15:55 <luke-jr> ThomasV: he never unbanned me :<
 852 2011-09-16 18:16:00 <luke-jr> joepie91: nonsense
 853 2011-09-16 18:16:02 <joepie91> often outdated software versions
 854 2011-09-16 18:16:08 <Dagger3> I can reinstall with $preferred_distro if you want, but it won't make much of a difference
 855 2011-09-16 18:16:08 <luke-jr> joepie91: stable, not outdated
 856 2011-09-16 18:16:09 <joepie91> why was Ubuntu made again?
 857 2011-09-16 18:16:16 <luke-jr> joepie91: Ubuntu was made to make money
 858 2011-09-16 18:16:19 <joepie91> oh yeah, because debian was unsuitable for 'just works' users.
 859 2011-09-16 18:16:20 <k9quaint> realsolid holds the record for most cryptocoins stolen in a scam
 860 2011-09-16 18:16:27 <ThomasV> luke-jr: oh to get unbanned I had to suck his c*ck
 861 2011-09-16 18:16:30 <luke-jr> joepie91: Ubuntu has worse hw support than Debian
 862 2011-09-16 18:16:34 <k9quaint> he manage to fleece the community of 750,000 cryptocoins
 863 2011-09-16 18:16:35 <Dagger3> unless X has magically got hardware accelerated Xinerama, or multi-GPU xrandr in the last couple of weeks
 864 2011-09-16 18:16:36 <joepie91> Dagger3, there can be quite a difference between distros
 865 2011-09-16 18:16:39 <joepie91> luke-jr, I disagree
 866 2011-09-16 18:16:48 <luke-jr> joepie91: I've never had a PC that Ubuntu even booted on
 867 2011-09-16 18:17:13 <joepie91> I have a pile of older computers here, some of them with more exotic hardware, Debian usually didn't even boot the installer properly
 868 2011-09-16 18:17:17 <joepie91> ubuntu ran on most of them
 869 2011-09-16 18:17:25 <joepie91> opensuse would run on all of them but 2
 870 2011-09-16 18:17:37 <joepie91> and puppy linux ran on literally freaking everything.
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 872 2011-09-16 18:17:48 <k9quaint> the thing I like about Ubuntu is the installer can also run as a CD boot disk
 873 2011-09-16 18:17:52 <joepie91> (that's leaving out the hardware requirements, some were laggy as fuck obv)
 874 2011-09-16 18:18:01 <k9quaint> but I don't really use it except when I run into problems with Fedora
 875 2011-09-16 18:18:04 <joepie91> k9quaint, nearly every distro has a live CD of some sort
 876 2011-09-16 18:18:35 <k9quaint> yah, but Ubuntu is the best in that regard
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 880 2011-09-16 18:19:08 <joepie91> the king of live CDs is still puppy linux :P
 881 2011-09-16 18:19:38 <joepie91> boots in seconds, runs from RAM, can write the session to wherever the fuck you want it to write, even to the very same CD that puppy itself is on (if session is not closed)
 882 2011-09-16 18:19:54 <joepie91> can even encrypt your session/save file
 883 2011-09-16 18:19:56 <k9quaint> good ole Yggdrasil LInux ;P
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 885 2011-09-16 18:20:17 <joepie91> you can literally have an entire OS plus all of your personal files on one encrypted CD/DVD
 886 2011-09-16 18:20:29 <joepie91> and work with computers that don't even have a HDD
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 888 2011-09-16 18:25:18 <tcatm> are there any chrome/chromiun users in this channel?
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 891 2011-09-16 18:28:04 <luke-jr> tcatm: I have it, though I prefer not
 892 2011-09-16 18:28:17 <tcatm> great
 893 2011-09-16 18:28:37 <tcatm> I'm trying to fix the rendering bug on bitcoin.org and I'm looking for testers
 894 2011-09-16 18:28:50 <luke-jr> what rendering bug?
 895 2011-09-16 18:29:08 <tcatm> http://188.138.99.158/ links overlapping, buttons too small
 896 2011-09-16 18:30:00 <luke-jr> looks fine both bitcoin.org and the direct-IP link, in both Chromium and Konqueror
 897 2011-09-16 18:30:01 <ThomasV> indeed, it's ugly in chrome
 898 2011-09-16 18:30:23 <gavinandresen> tcatm: looks ok to me, running chrome on my mac.
 899 2011-09-16 18:30:24 <luke-jr> Chromium 13.0.782.107 and Konqueror 4.6.5
 900 2011-09-16 18:30:33 * joepie91 uses chrome
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 902 2011-09-16 18:31:07 <joepie91> tcatm, http://owely.com/17fKDE
 903 2011-09-16 18:31:11 <gavinandresen> ... although if I click on the buttons in the menu bar there is weirdness
 904 2011-09-16 18:31:22 <tcatm> http://i.imgur.com/7vqiY.png thi is what the bug looks like
 905 2011-09-16 18:31:24 <joepie91> 14.0.835.159 beta
 906 2011-09-16 18:31:31 <ThomasV> I have chrome 13.0.782.220
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 908 2011-09-16 18:31:41 <joepie91> huh, yes, most things disappear when clicking a button
 909 2011-09-16 18:32:05 <tcatm> the black navigation bar? that's a known bug in chrome but I have a "fix" for that in a different branch
 910 2011-09-16 18:32:11 <joepie91> after clicking a button: http://owely.com/1Hjq1i
 911 2011-09-16 18:33:23 <luke-jr> only problem I see is that clicking "Home" scrolls the home part UNDER the menu
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 913 2011-09-16 18:33:37 <luke-jr> http://browsershots.org/http://bitcoin.org/
 914 2011-09-16 18:34:10 <Dagger3> tcatm: not Chrome, but I note that the top bar highlights the tab two to the left when switching to Features or Contributors (and Home for the left-most three tabs)
 915 2011-09-16 18:34:59 <Dagger3> (Firefox 5)
 916 2011-09-16 18:35:05 <luke-jr> oh wow
 917 2011-09-16 18:35:10 <luke-jr> Chromium gets the menu all wrong
 918 2011-09-16 18:35:58 <luke-jr> http://browsershots.org/http://188.138.99.158/
 919 2011-09-16 18:36:26 <luke-jr> the Contributors thing is all weird too
 920 2011-09-16 18:36:35 <luke-jr> (besides the list omitting a lot)
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 922 2011-09-16 18:38:21 <tcatm> luke-jr: ?
 923 2011-09-16 18:40:16 <luke-jr> tcatm:   http://browsershots.org/screenshots/76ea3b37ca4d7e2c3160c949d5cb740f
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 925 2011-09-16 18:40:26 <luke-jr> tcatm: it tries to be side-by-side with Features
 926 2011-09-16 18:41:37 <tcatm> mhm
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 930 2011-09-16 18:42:44 <tcatm> oh. missing </div>
 931 2011-09-16 18:42:50 <luke-jr> …
 932 2011-09-16 18:42:54 <luke-jr> you don't syntax check?
 933 2011-09-16 18:43:34 <luke-jr> Result: 18 Errors, 2 warning(s)
 934 2011-09-16 18:43:36 <luke-jr> ew
 935 2011-09-16 18:43:49 <luke-jr> Line 35, Column 70: An img element must have an alt attribute, except under certain conditions. For details, consult guidance on providing text alternatives for images.
 936 2011-09-16 18:44:08 <luke-jr> Line 132, Column 87: & did not start a character reference. (& probably should have been escaped as &amp;.)
 937 2011-09-16 18:44:21 <luke-jr> lots of both of those
 938 2011-09-16 18:48:56 <gjs278> yeah & fest
 939 2011-09-16 18:49:45 <tcatm> ThomasV: does http://188.138.99.158/ still have the rendering issues?
 940 2011-09-16 18:50:16 <ThomasV> lit's fixed
 941 2011-09-16 18:50:50 <dikidera> in rpc.cpp on line 1361 how does one know this "throw JSONRPCError(-7, "Out of memory"); " is really supposed to be an out of memory errors?
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 943 2011-09-16 18:54:49 <tcatm> does this still look okay http://188.138.99.158/# ? (some design changes)
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 945 2011-09-16 18:56:37 <dikidera> no
 946 2011-09-16 18:56:41 <dikidera> its looks awful
 947 2011-09-16 18:58:26 <tcatm> what's wrong with it?
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 949 2011-09-16 18:59:59 <gavinandresen> tcatm: I'm about to run out the door, but did I respond to switching DNS for bitcoin.org?  If not:  we had problems in the past with server overload, which is why we switch the home page to sourceforge (and now github).  So unless your VPS is ready for a slashdotting, switching is probably a bad idea.
 950 2011-09-16 19:00:27 <gavinandresen> (talk to sirius for details of how much traffic you can expect... and now I'm out the door)
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 953 2011-09-16 19:02:09 <dikidera> gavin is the switch to qt already complete?
 954 2011-09-16 19:02:15 <dikidera> i.e the gui is 100% qt?
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 956 2011-09-16 19:03:23 <gjs278> ah man contributors is gone
 957 2011-09-16 19:03:32 <dikidera> gjs278:hmm?
 958 2011-09-16 19:04:14 <gjs278> http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7889/screenshotbhx.png firefox 3.6
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 960 2011-09-16 19:04:36 <tcatm> gjs278: it's under "About" now
 961 2011-09-16 19:04:40 <gjs278> oh ok
 962 2011-09-16 19:04:58 <gjs278> for some reason it slightly horizontal scrolls me but it goes away when I browse down
 963 2011-09-16 19:05:21 <gjs278> oh I got one
 964 2011-09-16 19:05:29 <gjs278> when I scroll down the black bar follows me
 965 2011-09-16 19:05:36 <gjs278> but when I scroll back up, this is as far as the bar goes
 966 2011-09-16 19:05:49 <gjs278> http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5569/screenshotmql.png
 967 2011-09-16 19:06:05 <tcatm> hmm, I'll disable the javascript
 968 2011-09-16 19:06:25 <tcatm> do you still get horizontal scrolling?
 969 2011-09-16 19:06:27 <gjs278> I guess the page is short enough now that is can probably be in a static location
 970 2011-09-16 19:06:34 <gjs278> yes
 971 2011-09-16 19:06:44 <gjs278> it is not moving but I still have the 5 or so pixel horizonal
 972 2011-09-16 19:07:16 <gjs278> I'm looking through everything to try and find some margin or padding that is slightly going overboard
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 975 2011-09-16 19:07:54 <luke-jr> tcatm: eww, srsly the old design was much better
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 977 2011-09-16 19:08:16 <tcatm> luke-jr: = moving navigation back to the top?
 978 2011-09-16 19:08:30 <gjs278> I think that nav at the top was better
 979 2011-09-16 19:08:46 <gjs278> then the follow effect will most likely be fine
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 982 2011-09-16 19:17:16 <luke-jr> tcatm: yes
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 985 2011-09-16 19:26:40 <ymirhotfoot> Note I am just a beginner in Bitcoin, and have not yet mastered any part
 986 2011-09-16 19:27:03 <ymirhotfoot> of the protocol, nor any part of the implementation.
 987 2011-09-16 19:27:23 <ymirhotfoot> But I have likely nonsensical thought:
 988 2011-09-16 19:27:49 <ymirhotfoot> In the proposals for hardening Bitcoin against certain, ah what is the name,
 989 2011-09-16 19:28:05 <ymirhotfoot> time slew, time spoof attacks,
 990 2011-09-16 19:28:57 <ymirhotfoot> there is the idea, I think, that the running of the central Satoshi blockchain protocol
 991 2011-09-16 19:29:28 <ymirhotfoot> be made dependent upon a precise reliable universal time beacon,
 992 2011-09-16 19:29:44 <ymirhotfoot> with ntp being perhaps an example.
 993 2011-09-16 19:29:57 <phantomcircuit> that is an option but makes the protocol vulnerable to central failure
 994 2011-09-16 19:30:02 <ymirhotfoot> My nonsensical thought:
 995 2011-09-16 19:30:08 <phantomcircuit> which ntp in general actually is very vulnerable too
 996 2011-09-16 19:30:25 <phantomcircuit> most of the public ntp servers derive their time from only about 5 real sources
 997 2011-09-16 19:30:32 <ymirhotfoot> ah, phantomcircuit you got my thought out before I could type it in.
 998 2011-09-16 19:30:49 <phantomcircuit> hehe
 999 2011-09-16 19:30:54 <phantomcircuit> ZOMG MORE CAFFEINES
1000 2011-09-16 19:30:55 <ymirhotfoot> I am glad this crude first idea has been noticed.
1001 2011-09-16 19:31:00 <phantomcircuit> I CAN PREDICT THE FUTUREEEE
1002 2011-09-16 19:31:06 <phantomcircuit> :P
1003 2011-09-16 19:31:10 <ymirhotfoot> BY MAKING THE FUTURE
1004 2011-09-16 19:31:15 <ymirhotfoot> old smalltalk slogan
1005 2011-09-16 19:31:25 <phantomcircuit> lol
1006 2011-09-16 19:31:26 <ymirhotfoot> Alan kay, I think.
1007 2011-09-16 19:31:29 <tcatm> I think using ntp would still be more secure than what we have now.
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1010 2011-09-16 19:32:48 <ymirhotfoot> Possible Irony: in one of Satoshi's early posts about Bitcoin, he explains a bit of the Stoshi protocol by presenting the Byzantine wireless run through
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1012 2011-09-16 19:33:11 <ymirhotfoot> passwords/encypherings subject to a time constraint
1013 2011-09-16 19:33:39 <ymirhotfoot> and so, I think, again, I AM NEWBIE, that perhaps we already have something close to
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1015 2011-09-16 19:34:16 <ymirhotfoot> a hardening in the basic Satoshi blockchain protocol.
1016 2011-09-16 19:34:54 <ymirhotfoot> Obviously more than what is done now is required, according to what the devlopers say.
1017 2011-09-16 19:35:40 <ymirhotfoot> Likely I will be away from this terminal in few minutes,
1018 2011-09-16 19:35:44 <vegard> what is the problem, with more than 50% hashrate you can put your timestamps in the future to keep difficulty low?
1019 2011-09-16 19:35:54 <ymirhotfoot> and i wanted to record my vagrant thought on this.
1020 2011-09-16 19:36:28 <ymirhotfoot> ad ntp as she is implemented today: ntp might be used as an attack vector
1021 2011-09-16 19:36:49 <ymirhotfoot> not only against Bitcoin, but in general.  I think it grew up in a time when
1022 2011-09-16 19:36:54 <tcatm> vegard: the network calculates time from past blocks and has a kinda large window for timestamps thus someone can shift the clock on all bitcoin nodes
1023 2011-09-16 19:37:24 <ymirhotfoot> there were fewer home machines running it, and perhaps it hsa not been checked, nor attacked much, so it might be vulnerable.
1024 2011-09-16 19:38:13 <ymirhotfoot> bitcoiners: catch you later!
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1027 2011-09-16 19:42:50 <flying> guise...
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1030 2011-09-16 19:46:09 <vegard> shift the clocks without having 50%?
1031 2011-09-16 19:46:17 <vegard> hashing power
1032 2011-09-16 19:53:46 <tcatm> vegard: yes, that's possible (and it already happens)
1033 2011-09-16 19:56:54 <vegard> it's an interesting problem
1034 2011-09-16 19:57:32 <vegard> wouldn't it be possible to solve this by not trying to synchronise the time against peers at all?
1035 2011-09-16 19:58:07 <vegard> we might see block chain forks for groups of clients which are out of sync, but the rest should be fine
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1038 2011-09-16 20:02:26 <Lolcust> A perhaps naive  inquiry - with no incomming connection, the number of outgoing connections defaults to 8. Is there a particular reason for this number, and if no, why can't one tweak the number of outgoing connections in the config a mite ?
1039 2011-09-16 20:02:49 <Lolcust> I know of maxconnections ^__^ but it deals with both of them
1040 2011-09-16 20:02:52 <JFK911> because is why
1041 2011-09-16 20:03:06 <Lolcust> :(
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1045 2011-09-16 20:03:49 <JFK911> imagine if you can talk but not listen.  your communication won't work very well
1046 2011-09-16 20:04:01 <JFK911> you must forward the port
1047 2011-09-16 20:04:16 <tcatm> vegard: that should work. i.e. the client would just use the computers clock. It could output a warning when it notices that the clock might be wrong, though
1048 2011-09-16 20:05:13 <JFK911> holy wtf i have two miners going and no cpu load
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1050 2011-09-16 20:05:26 <JFK911> i found the fix! but i dont know what it is and i cant replicate it
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1052 2011-09-16 20:12:56 <Lolcust> JFK911 I know that it is most advisable to open the port :)) I just want to grok just how badly one gets screwed when, say, mining behind TOR
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1054 2011-09-16 20:13:44 <lfm> Main reason is 8 connections each is lots really. Theoreticly you only need 2 or 3
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1058 2011-09-16 20:17:40 <luke-jr> main reason is NAT crap
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1061 2011-09-16 20:23:51 <Lolcust> luke-jr pardon my ignorance, but what would happen to NAT should the client launch and maintain, like, I dunno, 12 or 20 outgoing connections to different peers (theoretically) ?
1062 2011-09-16 20:24:23 <luke-jr> Lolcust: NAT is the problem
1063 2011-09-16 20:25:01 <gmaxwell> Lolcust: you're missing the point. The point he's making is that nat makes it so that inbound doesn't work on most hosts, so the graph can't really be randomly wired since lots of the hosts can't talk to each other.
1064 2011-09-16 20:25:11 <tcatm> log0s: looks like the trade around 12 is real. at least has not been rolled back
1065 2011-09-16 20:25:17 <gmaxwell> because it can't be randomly wired we need more connections.
1066 2011-09-16 20:26:07 <Matth1a31> anyone know why my client is getting to 500 blocks and then it stops?
1067 2011-09-16 20:26:59 <Lolcust> gmaxwell well, I do get that NAT makes inbound problematic. I am just wondering why not to try to poke some more outgoing connections to those hosts that accept (lost of?) inbounds, in cases where you have to operate in constrained environments
1068 2011-09-16 20:27:56 * tcatm is looking for someone who could write a good "getting started" guide for bitcoin.org
1069 2011-09-16 20:28:08 <gmaxwell> Lolcust: because increasing the outbound connections further won't help anything and will just produce even more strain on the already full nodes which aren't behind nat.
1070 2011-09-16 20:28:56 <Lolcust> Ah, now makes sense. Thanks
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1075 2011-09-16 20:35:36 <neofutur> tcatm: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MtGox/API#Cancelled_Trades
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1077 2011-09-16 20:35:51 <neofutur> just in case you missed it, you could use it ;)
1078 2011-09-16 20:36:19 <neofutur> ( experimental /1/ API )
1079 2011-09-16 20:36:43 <tcatm> neofutur: that's where I checked if it was cancelled :)
1080 2011-09-16 20:37:13 <neofutur> and you say the trades at 12 were not cancelled ?
1081 2011-09-16 20:37:20 <tcatm> neofutur: is there any chance I could get an automated email each time a trade is cancelled (maybe with some delay to include multiple tids in one mail)?
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1083 2011-09-16 20:37:41 <neofutur> afaik they were, and the api/1/BTCUSD/public/cancelledtrades API was not yet up ?
1084 2011-09-16 20:38:01 <tcatm> the 12.5... trade has tid 1315753408850547
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1086 2011-09-16 20:38:46 <neofutur> tcatm: i ll talk of this  to MT but i m sure you can have a script watch the api/1/BTCUSD/public/cancelledtrades and mailyou when its not empty . . .
1087 2011-09-16 20:39:08 <neofutur> even I could do it :p shouldbe easy for you
1088 2011-09-16 20:39:45 <tcatm> yep, except that I don't want to setup a script for each exchange because they would all have different APIs and other problems
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1141 2011-09-16 22:02:41 <Joric> damn bitcoinj is full of inaccesible vars ) http://gyazo.com/809c3801004e21191670d16900cfecd3
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1146 2011-09-16 22:09:53 <jjjrmy> Anyone interested in buying BitPizza.net?
1147 2011-09-16 22:13:38 <tcatm> how much?
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1150 2011-09-16 22:16:58 <Disposition> ib4 10,000 btc
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1153 2011-09-16 22:19:13 <lfm> 10.000 btc more like
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1155 2011-09-16 22:24:41 <dikidera> just to i ask, when was the day gpu mining was introduced
1156 2011-09-16 22:24:43 <dikidera> and by who
1157 2011-09-16 22:24:44 <dikidera> ?
1158 2011-09-16 22:24:56 <dikidera> s/just to i ask/just to ask
1159 2011-09-16 22:25:05 <lfm> it was around sept or oct 2010
1160 2011-09-16 22:25:22 <lfm> maybe aug
1161 2011-09-16 22:25:42 <dikidera> do you remember what the diff was back then?
1162 2011-09-16 22:26:37 <lfm> kinda depends what you mean by "introduced" too. I think Art Forz was doing it privately first for about a month before any free or open versions came out
1163 2011-09-16 22:27:13 <lfm> You don't have to "remember" what it was, it is recorded in the block chain
1164 2011-09-16 22:28:02 <lfm>  Difficulty:1c00ba18 =  352.1612091,  2010-08-05 19:46:35, change:1.44202
1165 2011-09-16 22:28:06 <lfm>  Difficulty:1b153263 =   3091.73689,  2010-10-30 22:58:47, change:1.43867
1166 2011-09-16 22:28:11 <tcatm> dikidera: it was pretty low. I was mining about 38 blocks/day with about 300 Mhash/s
1167 2011-09-16 22:28:54 <dikidera> is there a post on the forums about this?
1168 2011-09-16 22:29:09 <dikidera> i mean i wish to know how people reacted to this
1169 2011-09-16 22:29:09 <tcatm> about what? start of GPU mining?
1170 2011-09-16 22:29:20 <dikidera> that suddently instead of 1mh/s or so they were getting 300
1171 2011-09-16 22:30:20 <lfm> of course the diff was frequently going up by 40-50% each change
1172 2011-09-16 22:30:43 <BGL> new bot testing -> #bitcoin-cake
1173 2011-09-16 22:31:33 <dikidera> yes but..i assume you guys were startled when all of a sudden blocks were appearing fast on your clients
1174 2011-09-16 22:31:40 <dikidera> i mean, the block count was increasing
1175 2011-09-16 22:31:44 <dikidera> no one found it suspicious?
1176 2011-09-16 22:31:54 <lfm> dikidera: it wasnt that sudden
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1179 2011-09-16 22:32:57 <tcatm> GPU miners were using less optimized code and not everybody switched to GPUs at once.
1180 2011-09-16 22:33:00 <Disposition> dikidera: people didn't believe the numbers.
1181 2011-09-16 22:33:08 <Disposition> was the only reaction I suppose
1182 2011-09-16 22:33:17 <Disposition> then mass adoption happened.
1183 2011-09-16 22:33:46 <lfm> Disposition: no, I dont think anyone doubted the numbers. Mostly just a lot of people were eager to start using their own gpu for mining
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1185 2011-09-16 22:34:07 <Disposition> lfm: when artforez first started people didn't believe him
1186 2011-09-16 22:34:26 <doublec> dikidera: there's a long thread about opensourcing one of the early gpu miners
1187 2011-09-16 22:34:36 <lfm> well maybe ya, some people doubted you could program a gpu to do mining
1188 2011-09-16 22:34:39 <doublec> dikidera: look for posts from user puddinpop
1189 2011-09-16 22:34:48 <doublec> dikidera: in the end jgarzik paid him to open source the code iirc
1190 2011-09-16 22:34:55 <tcatm> IIRC artforz early GPU miner was doing about 40..80 MHash/s. so only about 4..5x CPU speed
1191 2011-09-16 22:34:59 <noagendamarket> One of the first gpu miners had a 10% tax involved
1192 2011-09-16 22:35:09 <doublec> noagendamarket: that was puddinpop's
1193 2011-09-16 22:35:11 <noagendamarket> lol
1194 2011-09-16 22:36:18 <dikidera> i really hate myself tho
1195 2011-09-16 22:36:22 TD is now known as TD[gone]
1196 2011-09-16 22:36:26 <AnniAFK> <noagendamarket> One of the first gpu miners had a 10% tax involved
1197 2011-09-16 22:36:31 <AnniAFK> how was that implemented ?
1198 2011-09-16 22:36:31 <dikidera> In aug 2010 the only thing i remember was playing Singularity
1199 2011-09-16 22:36:42 <dikidera> that was pretty much the last game i played
1200 2011-09-16 22:36:48 <dikidera> card was idle ALL of the time
1201 2011-09-16 22:36:54 <doublec> AnniAFK: puddinpop disstributed a binary miner only
1202 2011-09-16 22:36:59 <lfm> AnniAFK: it was closed source, it send the "tax" directly to puddinpop
1203 2011-09-16 22:37:02 <tcatm> AnniAFK: back then GPU miners included a complete bitcoinclient
1204 2011-09-16 22:37:03 <doublec> AnniAFK: which tithed 5 coins to his address
1205 2011-09-16 22:37:10 <AnniAFK> ahh ok
1206 2011-09-16 22:37:16 <AnniAFK> interesting
1207 2011-09-16 22:37:26 <tcatm> getwork was developed much later
1208 2011-09-16 22:37:35 <AnniAFK> i see
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1212 2011-09-16 22:44:59 <noagendamarket> Its an evil idea ie dont think about it :)
1213 2011-09-16 22:45:12 <noagendamarket> well not unless you are upfront about it
1214 2011-09-16 22:45:23 <noagendamarket> the main problem was people discovered it
1215 2011-09-16 22:45:31 <noagendamarket> rather than him disclosing
1216 2011-09-16 22:45:40 <AnniAFK> yer kidding?
1217 2011-09-16 22:45:47 <AnniAFK> he didnt tell them upfront?
1218 2011-09-16 22:45:48 <noagendamarket> nope
1219 2011-09-16 22:45:57 <AnniAFK> how does anyone still trust to use anything from him ever again ?
1220 2011-09-16 22:46:03 <AnniAFK> pff
1221 2011-09-16 22:46:19 <noagendamarket> well Ive never downloaded anythign from him lol
1222 2011-09-16 22:46:24 <cjdelisle> is puddinpop a Bill Cosby saying or is that just jello pudding?
1223 2011-09-16 22:46:34 <noagendamarket> yes its bill cosby
1224 2011-09-16 22:46:43 <AnniAFK> hmmmm
1225 2011-09-16 22:46:49 <doublec> noagendamarket: he disclosed
1226 2011-09-16 22:46:56 <doublec> noagendamarket: it was in the readme
1227 2011-09-16 22:47:04 <noagendamarket> LOL
1228 2011-09-16 22:47:15 <cjdelisle> so we had a cosby fan around since long ago
1229 2011-09-16 22:47:19 <noagendamarket> ;) who reads the fine print right
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1253 2011-09-16 23:34:08 <Joric> did anyone see as3 port of the bitcoin client? atleast it can communicate with peers, java applets require full permission for that
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1255 2011-09-16 23:37:39 <luke-jr> wtf is as3
1256 2011-09-16 23:39:46 <dikidera> so i finally managed to run abe which is currently reading the chain and importing it into mysql
1257 2011-09-16 23:40:00 <dikidera> but i checked all the tables and cannot see where the bitcoin addresses are stored
1258 2011-09-16 23:40:34 <Joric> luke-jr, actionscript3, flash
1259 2011-09-16 23:40:52 <dikidera> oh..is it possible to generate a bitcoin address from a pubkey?
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1261 2011-09-16 23:41:21 <Joric> dikidera, base58(ripemd160(sha256(pubkey)))
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1263 2011-09-16 23:42:57 <dikidera> there are two kinds of pubkeys do
1264 2011-09-16 23:43:02 <dikidera> one is 40 bytes the other is 130
1265 2011-09-16 23:43:09 <Joric> wha?
1266 2011-09-16 23:43:13 <dikidera> pubkey and pubkey_hash
1267 2011-09-16 23:43:53 <dikidera> a pubkey 04678afdb0fe5548271967f1a67130b7105cd6a828e03909a67962e0<snip this last part>
1268 2011-09-16 23:43:56 <Joric> pubkey is 65 bytes neither more nor less
1269 2011-09-16 23:43:58 <dikidera> a pubkey hash 62e907b15cbf27d5425399ebf6f0fb50ebb88f18
1270 2011-09-16 23:44:04 <Joric> 04 + x + y
1271 2011-09-16 23:44:28 <lfm> ya a pubkey hash is not a pubkey really
1272 2011-09-16 23:44:57 <dikidera> so basically the longer one
1273 2011-09-16 23:45:14 <Joric> dikidera, https://bitcointools.appspot.com/
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1275 2011-09-16 23:45:56 <dikidera> why are you refering me to that site?
1276 2011-09-16 23:46:06 <lfm> the short one is hash of the long one
1277 2011-09-16 23:46:07 <dikidera> i just wished to know if it was possible, you said yes
1278 2011-09-16 23:46:29 <dikidera> i am just waiting abe to dump the blocks to mysql
1279 2011-09-16 23:46:31 <dikidera> and i begin
1280 2011-09-16 23:46:35 <Joric> well, yes
1281 2011-09-16 23:46:57 <lfm> the keys are part of the scripts
1282 2011-09-16 23:47:24 <Joric> more specific, base58(addrtype + hash160 + hash160[-4])
1283 2011-09-16 23:48:13 <lfm> ya the address is a form of the pubkey hash
1284 2011-09-16 23:49:10 <Joric> sorry not exactly that, hard to write in a single line )
1285 2011-09-16 23:49:40 <lfm> Joric: ya, its kinda ugly
1286 2011-09-16 23:49:48 <luke-jr> dikidera: pubkey hash = ripemd160(sha256(pubkey))
1287 2011-09-16 23:49:55 <luke-jr> address = base58(pubkey hash)
1288 2011-09-16 23:52:33 <Joric> here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#Addresses
1289 2011-09-16 23:52:45 <Joric> very easy
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1291 2011-09-16 23:53:05 <lfm> very easy to say it is easy
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1293 2011-09-16 23:54:08 <ymirhotfoot> ;;ticker
1294 2011-09-16 23:54:08 <gribble> Best bid: 4.802, Best ask: 4.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.018, Last trade: 4.82, 24 hour volume: 33997, 24 hour low: 4.61, 24 hour high: 4.99
1295 2011-09-16 23:55:06 <`Jaka> anyone interested in buying 8btc for @ 4.50 ea?
1296 2011-09-16 23:55:25 <Joric> lfm, yeah, plus it's padded base58 )
1297 2011-09-16 23:55:30 <lfm> `Jaka: how you paying?
1298 2011-09-16 23:55:49 <`Jaka> ? i'm not paying
1299 2011-09-16 23:55:51 <`Jaka> i'm selling
1300 2011-09-16 23:56:22 <lfm> `Jaka: how are you expecting to be paid then?
1301 2011-09-16 23:56:27 <`Jaka> ppusd
1302 2011-09-16 23:57:29 <dikidera> not a good idea
1303 2011-09-16 23:57:38 <dikidera> i still remember the day i owed 465 usd to paypal
1304 2011-09-16 23:57:47 <dikidera> which was 3+ months ago
1305 2011-09-16 23:58:06 <`Jaka> what happened?
1306 2011-09-16 23:58:10 <`Jaka> chargebacks?
1307 2011-09-16 23:58:17 <dikidera> you could say that
1308 2011-09-16 23:59:27 <JFK911> oops