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   3 2011-09-23 00:05:38 <TuxBlackEdo> whats the correct way to output to /dev/null?
   4 2011-09-23 00:05:44 <TuxBlackEdo> wget http://google.com>/dev/null
   5 2011-09-23 00:05:45 <TuxBlackEdo> or
   6 2011-09-23 00:05:53 <TuxBlackEdo> wget http://google.com>&/dev/null
   7 2011-09-23 00:06:23 <TuxBlackEdo> wget http://google.com 2>/dev/null
   8 2011-09-23 00:07:08 <TuxBlackEdo> i think i answered my own question
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  11 2011-09-23 00:10:33 <CIA-101> bitcoin: various * rc04abf..bc96ef cgminer/ (7 files): (9 commits)
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  13 2011-09-23 00:12:05 <diki> 12k blocks left to be imported in mysql by abe
  14 2011-09-23 00:12:12 <diki> and its the transactions that are problematic
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  22 2011-09-23 00:15:35 <diki> does someone know what is the _current_ number of transactions in the blockchain?
  23 2011-09-23 00:15:53 <diki> i dont mean pending transactions i mean ALL of them
  24 2011-09-23 00:17:21 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin-Sanitytest build #29: FAILURE in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Sanitytest/29/
  25 2011-09-23 00:18:49 <forrestv`> diki, about 1562780
  26 2011-09-23 00:20:26 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rda764e5441aa cgminer/configure.ac: Reset opencl flags if not detected to prevent build failure without opencl.
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  28 2011-09-23 00:23:59 <diki> zomg
  29 2011-09-23 00:24:10 <diki> i have over 600k left to import
  30 2011-09-23 00:24:29 <diki> i am currently as of this post at ~940,000
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  34 2011-09-23 00:30:27 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r701c29fa64bc cgminer/README: Add message about needing to export display on linux.
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  43 2011-09-23 00:40:25 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r20ddda10dcbb cgminer/main.c: Autoselect a GPU from the menu if it's the only device.
  44 2011-09-23 00:40:26 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r813aee385b51 cgminer/main.c: Show menu again after enable, disable and restart GPU.
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  51 2011-09-23 00:57:25 <diki> would it have been possible to ever write bitcoin in pure C?
  52 2011-09-23 00:57:55 <diki> i mean, c++ has oop, vectors and whatnot, but C doesnt
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  54 2011-09-23 01:00:25 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r0ae3f718248e cgminer/ (adl.c miner.h): Check last temperature we reached and don't change fan speed if it's already correcting.
  55 2011-09-23 01:00:26 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r014d43b06a3f cgminer/configure.ac: Bugfix: fix linking when OpenCL is not detected
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  67 2011-09-23 01:20:25 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r8759bc13ab4f cgminer/main.c: Hard code the watchdog interval to 3 seconds in case log interval is greatly different.
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  74 2011-09-23 02:00:25 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r8635eda0367e cgminer/NEWS: Update NEWS.
  75 2011-09-23 02:00:25 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r855ea661987b cgminer/README: Update README and FAQ.
  76 2011-09-23 02:00:27 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * ra49fc18410be cgminer/configure.ac: Bump version number to 2.0.4.
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  99 2011-09-23 02:58:33 <diki> can someone tell me why each getwork is different?
 100 2011-09-23 02:58:40 <diki> i am looking at the code
 101 2011-09-23 02:58:46 diki is now known as Guest62928
 102 2011-09-23 02:58:50 <Guest62928> and...i just done see what produces a random getwork
 103 2011-09-23 02:58:54 <Guest62928> we.., not so random
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 107 2011-09-23 03:06:40 <dikidera> ok i see, one reason is the ntime which is updated based on what time() returns plus a few stuff in there as well
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 110 2011-09-23 03:11:26 <dikidera> no one alive?
 111 2011-09-23 03:12:16 <luke-jr> noone to tell you rtfm
 112 2011-09-23 03:12:56 <imsaguy> lol
 113 2011-09-23 03:13:52 <dikidera> luke-jr:i am looking for a manual, but, i cannot seem to find it in my ROOM
 114 2011-09-23 03:14:07 <dikidera> a possible answer is that it physically does not exist
 115 2011-09-23 03:14:14 <dikidera> so i said to myself, i should ask the devs
 116 2011-09-23 03:14:18 <dikidera> they oughta know
 117 2011-09-23 03:15:26 <imsaguy> did you ask the google?
 118 2011-09-23 03:16:12 <pointbiz> new version of bitaddress.org now with bulk CSV address generation
 119 2011-09-23 03:16:14 <pointbiz> http://www.bitaddress.org/bitaddress.org-v0.7-SHA1-34e344a0d229dc10c8f5c99ed6b6298e6fc5e39f.html
 120 2011-09-23 03:16:55 <dikidera> anywho
 121 2011-09-23 03:17:39 <dikidera> while this will not stop a getwork from being "different"/unique etc, which is not what i want to do, what will happen if for a while, time() is static, i.e it returns the same time as before for say 30 minutes?
 122 2011-09-23 03:18:48 <dikidera> because on each new getwork request, ntime is updated with the current time in seconds
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 124 2011-09-23 03:18:58 <dikidera> which means, every getwork contains the most recent time
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 133 2011-09-23 03:24:24 <phantomcircuit> pointbiz, question why?
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 135 2011-09-23 03:26:57 <copumpkin> yeah, why?
 136 2011-09-23 03:27:10 <copumpkin> seems to kind of defeat the purpose of a private key
 137 2011-09-23 03:27:13 <copumpkin> to have someone else give it to you
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 139 2011-09-23 03:27:34 <copumpkin> even certificate requests involve generating a private key locally and not sending to anyone else :P
 140 2011-09-23 03:27:50 <copumpkin> I guess this is generating it in javascript
 141 2011-09-23 03:29:51 <cjdelisle> for now it is.. We went over this before. People should not be learning to get their private keys from (wnat appears to be) a website
 142 2011-09-23 03:31:29 <pointbiz> the bulk feature is good if you need to generate a bulk of addresses for use on a merchant website, maybe in conjunction with bitcoinnotify.com
 143 2011-09-23 03:32:26 <phantomcircuit> you can generate millions of ecdsa keys in no time at all
 144 2011-09-23 03:32:35 <dikidera> yup
 145 2011-09-23 03:32:40 <dikidera> vanitygen
 146 2011-09-23 03:32:55 <dikidera> but damn is it slow to compare them to the blockchain
 147 2011-09-23 03:33:13 <dikidera> i am trying to....find a collision but bitcoin is still young
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 149 2011-09-23 03:33:43 <phantomcircuit> find a collision?
 150 2011-09-23 03:33:45 <phantomcircuit> lol right
 151 2011-09-23 03:33:51 <dikidera> well yeah
 152 2011-09-23 03:34:04 <dikidera> its not like i am bruteforcing it or anything
 153 2011-09-23 03:34:22 <dikidera> just export the blockchain's addresses, compare them to whatever vanitygen made
 154 2011-09-23 03:34:35 <pointbiz> javascript is probably the slowest way to generate a million addresses
 155 2011-09-23 03:34:58 <pointbiz> im not sure when the array size will crap out
 156 2011-09-23 03:35:10 <pointbiz> im guessing people only need 100 or 1000 at a time
 157 2011-09-23 03:35:25 <phantomcircuit> yes but why would you do it that way?
 158 2011-09-23 03:35:58 <dikidera> do what?
 159 2011-09-23 03:37:04 <pointbiz> not sure. i wrote a function to generate bulk addresses to test the code was making good addresses
 160 2011-09-23 03:37:11 <pointbiz> then i thought it would be easy to add it to the GUI
 161 2011-09-23 03:37:33 <dikidera> ITS NOT
 162 2011-09-23 03:37:44 <dikidera> even pre-generated addresses take fucking loads of time
 163 2011-09-23 03:37:47 <dikidera> days...
 164 2011-09-23 03:37:55 <pointbiz> i guess other people can use it to confirm it makes valid addresses
 165 2011-09-23 03:38:14 <dikidera> i set my key pool to 200,000
 166 2011-09-23 03:38:27 <dikidera> ...a day passed, my wallet went over 120mb
 167 2011-09-23 03:38:36 <dikidera> but the inserted keys were only 136k
 168 2011-09-23 03:38:42 <pointbiz> dikidera: lol
 169 2011-09-23 03:39:06 <phantomcircuit> dikidera, that's because it calls fsync a ton of times putting them in the wallet
 170 2011-09-23 03:39:58 <dikidera> fsync?
 171 2011-09-23 03:40:19 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: more like it's because Linux waits until everything is on disk to return from fsync
 172 2011-09-23 03:40:32 <dikidera> well i am not talking about the linux version
 173 2011-09-23 03:40:37 <dikidera> its on windows too
 174 2011-09-23 03:40:40 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, that
 175 2011-09-23 03:40:41 <dikidera> note on the "TOO"
 176 2011-09-23 03:40:43 <phantomcircuit> is kind of the idea
 177 2011-09-23 03:40:52 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: no, POSIX says otherwise
 178 2011-09-23 03:43:24 <dikidera> and if i were to disable this fsync
 179 2011-09-23 03:43:32 <dikidera> what could happen during address importing?
 180 2011-09-23 03:43:49 <luke-jr> free pizza
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 182 2011-09-23 03:44:29 <dikidera> luke-jr:Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?
 183 2011-09-23 03:44:36 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, what does it say
 184 2011-09-23 03:44:38 <luke-jr> I doubt you know it.
 185 2011-09-23 03:46:16 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: something like it just has to be immediately queued for writing to disk
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 199 2011-09-23 04:46:43 <freewil> BlueMatt, void ListTransactions(const CWalletTx& wtx, const string& strAccount, int nMinDepth, bool fLong, Array& ret) is that function used in rpc.cpp is nMinDepth the number of confirmations?
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 210 2011-09-23 05:11:11 <sneak> http://twitter.com/#!/sneakatdatavibe/status/117100850199015424
 211 2011-09-23 05:13:07 <theymos> I like the PS1 that LFS uses. "theymos [ /home ]$" It's red when you're root and green otherwise.
 212 2011-09-23 05:13:35 <theymos> A colored PS1 is an absolute necessity for me, since it allows me to easily pick out command outputs.
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 214 2011-09-23 05:16:56 <mabus> shouldnt have a $ if you are root
 215 2011-09-23 05:16:58 <mabus> should be a #
 216 2011-09-23 05:17:23 <theymos> Yeah, that wasn't a root account.
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 221 2011-09-23 05:35:13 <luke-jr> I'm happy with Gentoo's PS1
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 223 2011-09-23 05:36:06 <theymos> I don't like that it includes the hostname. It takes up space and contains info that I already know.
 224 2011-09-23 05:36:32 <luke-jr> luke-jr@ishibashi~ $ vs ishibashi~ #
 225 2011-09-23 05:36:40 <luke-jr> theymos: you don't SSH much?
 226 2011-09-23 05:37:14 <theymos> Usually I add a few characters to the PS1 to differentiate between hosts. Having the entire thing there takes up too much space, IMO.
 227 2011-09-23 05:37:34 <Diablo-D3> [\u@\h \w$(__git_ps1)]\$
 228 2011-09-23 05:37:34 <mabus> i just have my screen hardstatus show hostname
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 230 2011-09-23 05:38:07 <Diablo-D3> combined with PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007"'
 231 2011-09-23 05:38:11 <luke-jr> I just aliased rm='echo NO U' for root
 232 2011-09-23 05:38:18 <luke-jr> I've been typoing rm -r too much
 233 2011-09-23 05:38:28 <luke-jr> deleted my /usr/lib, and almost ~
 234 2011-09-23 05:40:05 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rff1cf59b9e88 gentoo/net-p2p/ (4 files in 2 dirs): net-p2p/bitcoind and net-p2p/wxbitcoin: 0.4.0 final
 235 2011-09-23 05:40:07 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r6616b67e631c gentoo/net-p2p/ (4 files in 2 dirs): net-p2p/bitcoind and net-p2p/wxbitcoin: 9999/git should not have KEYWORDS set
 236 2011-09-23 05:40:41 <theymos> luke-jr: Are you going to do bitcoin-stable even though you don't have "official support"? I'd probably use it.
 237 2011-09-23 05:41:00 <luke-jr> theymos: alone, no. but I see no reason to cancel the project
 238 2011-09-23 05:41:15 <luke-jr> if upstream insists on doing a 0.4.1 with new functionality, we can do 0.4.0.1
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 240 2011-09-23 05:45:50 <theymos> I'm amazed that there's any resistance to maintaining an official stable release. Even the forum's SMF software is still maintaining old, stable versions.
 241 2011-09-23 05:47:43 <Diablo-D3> because SMF is retarded
 242 2011-09-23 05:48:03 * luke-jr admits bleeding-edge-only makes sense for miners
 243 2011-09-23 05:48:05 <Diablo-D3> why the fuck would ANYONE maintain a "stable" branch when the stable branch is the stable branch
 244 2011-09-23 05:48:14 <Diablo-D3> especially when its a git native project
 245 2011-09-23 05:48:22 <Diablo-D3> doubly especially since its pre-1.0
 246 2011-09-23 05:50:49 <theymos> Old code is stable code. My 0.3.19 client still works fine, and I avoided all of the deadlocking and database bugs that were introduced and corrected in later versions.
 247 2011-09-23 05:54:43 <ThomasV> bitcoincharts is down?
 248 2011-09-23 05:55:14 <phantomcircuit> looks like his backend died
 249 2011-09-23 05:58:26 <luke-jr> lol
 250 2011-09-23 06:01:11 <denisx> luke-jr: is there an easy way to show the number of open LP calls in pushpoold?
 251 2011-09-23 06:01:16 <Diablo-D3> theymos: that is the most idiotic thing ever
 252 2011-09-23 06:01:29 <luke-jr> denisx: not realyl
 253 2011-09-23 06:01:35 <Diablo-D3> enjoy your lack of support, security bugs, performance problems, and other shit
 254 2011-09-23 06:01:50 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: and that's why we're doing a stable branch
 255 2011-09-23 06:02:22 <Diablo-D3> no, not really.
 256 2011-09-23 06:02:26 <luke-jr> yes, really.
 257 2011-09-23 06:02:30 <luke-jr> kthxbai mr. troll
 258 2011-09-23 06:02:34 <Diablo-D3> no one from bitcoin is doing one
 259 2011-09-23 06:02:48 <Diablo-D3> master is the stable branch.
 260 2011-09-23 06:03:41 <theymos> Diablo-D3: There are no security bugs in my version. There are a few performance bugs that will probably cause me to move to luke-jr's stable version or make my own stable version.
 261 2011-09-23 06:04:12 <Diablo-D3> except master is the stable version.
 262 2011-09-23 06:04:15 <luke-jr> no known*
 263 2011-09-23 06:04:16 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, master is not stable
 264 2011-09-23 06:04:23 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: master is stable.
 265 2011-09-23 06:04:27 <luke-jr> guys, ignore the troll
 266 2011-09-23 06:04:27 <theymos> It's proven to not be very stable. Many deadlocks and other problems.
 267 2011-09-23 06:04:33 <phantomcircuit> git HEAD on master is not stable
 268 2011-09-23 06:04:41 <TuxBlackEdo> LOUD NOISES
 269 2011-09-23 06:04:44 <Diablo-D3> any other definition means theres a developer who needs to have his commit access revoked.
 270 2011-09-23 06:05:01 <Diablo-D3> keep your experimental shit in topic branches you noobs.
 271 2011-09-23 06:05:15 <phantomcircuit> there have been a series of bugs introduced into master
 272 2011-09-23 06:05:30 <Diablo-D3> then whoever introduced them needs to have commit access removed.
 273 2011-09-23 06:05:44 <phantomcircuit> gavin?
 274 2011-09-23 06:05:51 <Diablo-D3> gavin should fucking know better.
 275 2011-09-23 06:06:04 <phantomcircuit> yeah thus a stable branch
 276 2011-09-23 06:06:17 <Diablo-D3> no, master needs to have gavin removed.
 277 2011-09-23 06:06:28 <phantomcircuit> yeah good luck with that
 278 2011-09-23 06:06:53 <Diablo-D3> or maybe gavin just needs to learn how to code
 279 2011-09-23 06:10:01 <luke-jr> nobody writes perfect code
 280 2011-09-23 06:10:15 * copumpkin does
 281 2011-09-23 06:10:33 <copumpkin> so nobody except for copumpkin writes perfect code
 282 2011-09-23 06:11:14 <cjdelisle> the problem is that threads suck, there's just no way to reason safely with them
 283 2011-09-23 06:11:47 <TuxBlackEdo> I was thinking of something today... If the US really wanted to shut down bitcoin, they could force microsoft/adobe (automatic self updating software used by >80% of all computers) to do a difficulty attack (or even just steam)
 284 2011-09-23 06:11:59 <copumpkin> cjdelisle: I agree
 285 2011-09-23 06:12:13 <phantomcircuit> cjdelisle, it is if you define the workflow adequately
 286 2011-09-23 06:12:13 <copumpkin> well, they're not fundamentally bad
 287 2011-09-23 06:12:19 <copumpkin> but STM is where it's at :)
 288 2011-09-23 06:12:21 <denisx> Tuxavant: it would be cheaper to buy mtgox...
 289 2011-09-23 06:12:27 <denisx> oh wait! ;)
 290 2011-09-23 06:12:55 <TuxBlackEdo> if they manage to get enough computing power, they could leave the bitcoin network with a retarget that would take a year
 291 2011-09-23 06:13:25 <TuxBlackEdo> and walk away with 1 retargets worth of bitcoins which is like 72k, right?
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 293 2011-09-23 06:14:00 <TuxBlackEdo> walk away with like 400k usd
 294 2011-09-23 06:14:32 <copumpkin> take a year?
 295 2011-09-23 06:14:42 <copumpkin> difficulty can only quadruple
 296 2011-09-23 06:14:57 <copumpkin> I guess they could do it until it's effectively impossible
 297 2011-09-23 06:15:10 <shadders> Diablo-D3's got SOL today... cranky bugger :p
 298 2011-09-23 06:15:25 <cjdelisle> phantomcircuit: I disagree, I think nomatter how perfect you are, sooner or later you will need to make an exception and then your threads will be acting in ways you had not planned and then you end up with spaghetti locks.
 299 2011-09-23 06:15:33 <copumpkin> STM!
 300 2011-09-23 06:16:18 <Diablo-D3> shadders: ?
 301 2011-09-23 06:16:21 <Diablo-D3> wtf is SOL?
 302 2011-09-23 06:16:30 <phantomcircuit> cjdelisle, if you avoid cyclic dependencies you can make threads work
 303 2011-09-23 06:17:08 <copumpkin> and make sure you handle locks in a consistent order
 304 2011-09-23 06:17:13 <shadders> shit on the liver...
 305 2011-09-23 06:17:28 <copumpkin> and basically jump through a bunch of hoops to work around a bad abstraction :)
 306 2011-09-23 06:17:50 <Diablo-D3> that doesnt even make sense.
 307 2011-09-23 06:18:43 <cjdelisle> Just do yourself a favor and use processes since then you get free sandboxing and as long as you never map common memory you never have lock problems. The OS gave you pipes for a reason...
 308 2011-09-23 06:19:01 <phantomcircuit> threading works if you make the flow of data explicit such that you basically dont use locking
 309 2011-09-23 06:19:12 <phantomcircuit> only problem is that you end up with a ton of copying
 310 2011-09-23 06:19:17 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: not using locking != lockfree.
 311 2011-09-23 06:19:25 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, yeah im aware
 312 2011-09-23 06:19:57 <cjdelisle> yea but then it's a danger that someone is somewhere going to make a mistake and introduce a threading issue
 313 2011-09-23 06:20:03 <cjdelisle> *concurrency issue
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 315 2011-09-23 06:20:45 <cjdelisle> so you can hire a crack team of programmers who always write perfect code and never introduce any concurrency issues
 316 2011-09-23 06:20:46 <shadders> Diablo-D3: it means hangover level cranky..
 317 2011-09-23 06:20:53 <copumpkin> cjdelisle: rockstar programmers!
 318 2011-09-23 06:21:07 <cjdelisle> or you can just face the fact that threads are broken.
 319 2011-09-23 06:21:17 <copumpkin> the best programmers never doubt their ability to do tedious, error-prone tasks
 320 2011-09-23 06:22:41 <midnightmagic> I  never doubt Diablo-D3's willlingness to say what's on his mind! :)
 321 2011-09-23 06:22:45 <cjdelisle> I would expect a good programmer to tell you that you're doing it wrong by using threads and trying to fight nature to make it work.
 322 2011-09-23 06:24:14 <phantomcircuit> the only thing in a bitcoin client that requires threading really is some of the crypto operations
 323 2011-09-23 06:24:27 <midnightmagic> grar! single-thread event loop makes threads its bitch
 324 2011-09-23 06:25:31 <copumpkin> especially if you have green threads layered on top of it
 325 2011-09-23 06:26:30 <midnightmagic> =] green threads..  geez, old school.
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 327 2011-09-23 06:26:59 <phantomcircuit> green threads haven't been a good idea in a long time
 328 2011-09-23 06:27:40 <copumpkin> no, they're great
 329 2011-09-23 06:27:54 <copumpkin> or can be
 330 2011-09-23 06:28:14 <copumpkin> or, what's wrong with them?
 331 2011-09-23 06:29:27 <phantomcircuit> they dont know enough about the hardware to get everything just right
 332 2011-09-23 06:29:36 <copumpkin> o.O
 333 2011-09-23 06:29:42 <phantomcircuit> proper os threads do but usually take a little longer to get started
 334 2011-09-23 06:29:52 <copumpkin> "know enough about the hardware"?
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 336 2011-09-23 06:30:43 <phantomcircuit> stackless python has trouble with scheduling properly between it's os threads
 337 2011-09-23 06:31:08 <copumpkin> proof by counterexample? :P
 338 2011-09-23 06:31:16 <copumpkin> GHC does it just fine
 339 2011-09-23 06:31:18 <phantomcircuit> so you end up with not insignificant amounts of time stalled
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 341 2011-09-23 06:35:31 * copumpkin shrugs. GHC doesn't have issues with stalled threads
 342 2011-09-23 06:35:42 <copumpkin> but it's also a pretty complicated (and well thought-out) implementation
 343 2011-09-23 06:36:23 <copumpkin> so it's a fair amount of up-front work to put in to get them
 344 2011-09-23 06:36:28 <copumpkin> I think it's worth it, though
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 349 2011-09-23 06:54:23 <midnightmagic> hey GHC has an LLVM generator now. exciting!
 350 2011-09-23 06:54:55 <copumpkin> lots of exciting developments in it :)
 351 2011-09-23 06:55:22 <midnightmagic> I wish it wasn't so g-d hard to port to 64-bit netbsd.
 352 2011-09-23 06:55:30 <midnightmagic> it defeated me.
 353 2011-09-23 06:55:52 <copumpkin> ah yeah
 354 2011-09-23 06:55:54 <copumpkin> when did you try?
 355 2011-09-23 06:56:05 <copumpkin> they've been making that build stuff progressively easier over time
 356 2011-09-23 06:56:13 <midnightmagic> maybe a year or two ago. around the time i set up my tahoe-lafs buildslave..
 357 2011-09-23 06:56:21 <copumpkin> ah, it might have improve since then
 358 2011-09-23 06:56:28 <copumpkin> they also moved to git
 359 2011-09-23 06:56:32 <copumpkin> but who knows
 360 2011-09-23 06:57:40 <midnightmagic> tahoe-lafs uses darcs (dammit) so to port darcs to netbsd amd64 required an amd64 ghc. And in the meanwhile I found like..  five major bugs ranging from an assembly issue in crypto++, to a date handling bug in ghc, to problems in darcs. And then I was in the midst of porting ghc and.. just gave up. I didn't have it in me! grargh!!
 361 2011-09-23 06:57:42 <midnightmagic> lol
 362 2011-09-23 06:58:01 <copumpkin> hah
 363 2011-09-23 06:58:24 <copumpkin> yeah, zooko likes darcs
 364 2011-09-23 06:58:29 <midnightmagic> maybe someone did it and i don't have to.
 365 2011-09-23 06:58:30 <copumpkin> he also uses bitcoins, by the way
 366 2011-09-23 06:58:36 <copumpkin> I quite like darcs too, actually
 367 2011-09-23 06:58:41 <midnightmagic> yeah I'm the one who convinced him to get into them. :)
 368 2011-09-23 06:58:48 <copumpkin> ooh
 369 2011-09-23 06:58:50 <midnightmagic> he initially called them tulips and mocked me
 370 2011-09-23 06:58:52 <copumpkin> lol
 371 2011-09-23 06:58:57 <midnightmagic> but in a friendly-like way
 372 2011-09-23 06:59:21 <midnightmagic> at least.. I think I'm the one who did. Maybe just indirectly because I sold a bunch early on to warner
 373 2011-09-23 07:02:31 <copumpkin> :)
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 375 2011-09-23 07:03:43 <midnightmagic> night
 376 2011-09-23 07:03:47 <copumpkin> night
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 418 2011-09-23 08:44:21 <sipa> Lolcust: chainIDs?
 419 2011-09-23 08:45:14 <Lolcust> The ChainID value. Bitcoin has 0 IIRC, namecoin has 1...
 420 2011-09-23 08:45:40 <sipa> you mean the version number in base58 addresses?
 421 2011-09-23 08:46:35 <Lolcust> Hm, I am probably getting confused...
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 537 2011-09-23 13:46:19 <bitcoineer> fixme: http://www.weusecoins.com/mining-guide.php broken links: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1334.0 and http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3878.0
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 602 2011-09-23 14:21:26 <genjix> please respond to this to help get bitcoin: URIs added to the HTML5 foaf standard, https://twitter.com/#!/danbri/statuses/117238286019342337
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 635 2011-09-23 15:01:28 <gavinandresen> AlexWaters:  ping
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 639 2011-09-23 15:06:21 <AlexWaters> gavinandresen: pong
 640 2011-09-23 15:06:47 <gavinandresen> AlexWaters: Can you sanity-test the 0.4 final release files I just uploaded to SourceForge?
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 642 2011-09-23 15:06:57 <gavinandresen> https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.4.0/
 643 2011-09-23 15:07:30 <AlexWaters> gavinandresen: ok any preferred o/s or all?
 644 2011-09-23 15:07:50 <gavinandresen> Windows first, then Linux if you have some time.
 645 2011-09-23 15:08:18 <AlexWaters> ok, np i'll check it out and see if I can break something
 646 2011-09-23 15:08:42 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: all the zips and tarballs have files stored in bitcoin-0.4.0/ directory?
 647 2011-09-23 15:08:47 <jgarzik> (inside the zip/tarball)
 648 2011-09-23 15:08:56 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  yes, I repackaged the gitian.zips
 649 2011-09-23 15:09:18 <gavinandresen> AlexWaters: ... double-check that, when you untar/unzip you shouldn't get a mess...
 650 2011-09-23 15:09:47 <AlexWaters> it's pretty for the windows .zip
 651 2011-09-23 15:10:03 <AlexWaters> 3 folders, bitcoin.exe and two .txt files
 652 2011-09-23 15:10:25 <gavinandresen> ... all in a top-level directory, I hope....
 653 2011-09-23 15:10:58 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: the linux zip is superfluous.  there never was a linux zip previously, just a .tar.gz
 654 2011-09-23 15:11:20 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: Ok, I'll get rid of it
 655 2011-09-23 15:11:57 <AlexWaters> gavinandresen: yes, those files are in bitcoin-0.4.0-win32
 656 2011-09-23 15:12:13 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: the linux tarball uses 'bitcoin-0.4.0-linux', which is a change from previous practice 'bitcoin-$VERSION' (rather than bitcoin-$VERSION-$OS)
 657 2011-09-23 15:12:23 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: no objection, just noting the difference
 658 2011-09-23 15:13:15 <gavinandresen> AlexWaters: spiffy.  jgarzik : ack.  I think I like the os in the unpacked-dir... and I'll update the release process doc RE: re-packaging
 659 2011-09-23 15:14:19 <AlexWaters> gavinandresen: p.s. Matt is working on the Jenkins thing over the weekend - we should have a bot in #bitcoin-testing that can takes commands to build binaries from a repo early next week
 660 2011-09-23 15:14:35 <gavinandresen> AlexWaters: nice!
 661 2011-09-23 15:14:48 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: looks good here, including sha1 sums
 662 2011-09-23 15:19:10 <AlexWaters> gavinandresen: hmm... bitcoin-0.4.0-win32\src\src
 663 2011-09-23 15:19:18 <AlexWaters> is that correct?
 664 2011-09-23 15:19:54 <shadders> gavinandresen: sorry to go off topic... any idea why getwork target is mixed endian?
 665 2011-09-23 15:19:57 <gavinandresen> AlexWaters: yes.  Weird, I know...
 666 2011-09-23 15:20:04 <gavinandresen> shadders: no idea
 667 2011-09-23 15:20:15 <AlexWaters> gavinandresen: ok i see now, makes sense - just slightly confusing
 668 2011-09-23 15:20:19 <shadders> satoshi messing with our heads?
 669 2011-09-23 15:20:44 <gavinandresen> shadders: m0mchil created the first version of getwork, maybe it is his fault
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 671 2011-09-23 15:22:00 <shadders> FYI... bitcoind proxy has been progressing... slowly due to btc guild rolling out poolserverj and merged mining... but got the basic infrastructure working... will put up a protoype in a week or so hopefully...
 672 2011-09-23 15:22:19 <sipa> shadders: it's just a standard hex encoding (each byte represented by two big endian hex characters) of the block header, which has the 32-bit integer target encoded as 4 little-endian bytes
 673 2011-09-23 15:22:30 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: jgarzik sorry about putting crap in top level in zip, thats just what gitian-downloader wanted...
 674 2011-09-23 15:22:40 <BlueMatt> maybe ask devrandom to change that...
 675 2011-09-23 15:24:23 <shadders> sipa: fair enough... I took 15 yrs off coding and the last time I dealt with native byte strings was motorola 68000 so never heard of endian before I met bitcoin...
 676 2011-09-23 15:24:53 <sipa> haha
 677 2011-09-23 15:25:00 <shadders> java has protected me from such ugliness :)
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 681 2011-09-23 15:30:22 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * ra4f2c84 / (contrib/BitcoinTemplate.dmg contrib/create_osx_dmg.sh): Script to create OSX .dmg diskimage file. - http://git.io/KPiiNQ
 682 2011-09-23 15:30:22 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rc1ffdc5 / doc/release-process.txt : Update release process for repackaging gitian builds, and osx dmg - http://git.io/tQNXgA
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 684 2011-09-23 15:38:32 <sipa> it seems my gpg signature subkey expired
 685 2011-09-23 15:39:05 <sipa> don't think it's a problem, the master key didn't
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 688 2011-09-23 15:42:51 <sipa> gavinandresen: still can't download from github
 689 2011-09-23 15:43:14 <gavinandresen> sipa: I'm in the middle of uploading to github right now....
 690 2011-09-23 15:43:21 <gavinandresen> ... I think...
 691 2011-09-23 15:43:28 <sipa> yes, i see the uploaded files
 692 2011-09-23 15:43:43 <sipa> but i get the same error as before: an XML document with some accessdenied error code in
 693 2011-09-23 15:44:41 <gavinandresen> sipa: huh, yeah, me too
 694 2011-09-23 15:45:30 <gavinandresen> sipa: I'll ask github support what's up.
 695 2011-09-23 15:48:33 <gavinandresen> Anybody already have Jekyll setup and knows how to update the links on bitcoin.org ?
 696 2011-09-23 15:48:45 <sipa> not me
 697 2011-09-23 15:48:54 <gavinandresen> tcatm : ping ?
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 707 2011-09-23 15:58:06 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  the release process has two items:  "Update wiki" and "Update wiki download links".   What is "update wiki" ? Is the current version mentioned somewhere?
 708 2011-09-23 15:59:00 <sipa> gavinandresen: it has download links on the main page
 709 2011-09-23 15:59:09 <gavinandresen> sipa:  yes, I changed those
 710 2011-09-23 15:59:10 <sipa> ... which seem updated already
 711 2011-09-23 15:59:10 <Blitzboom> gavinandresen: don’t forget to have the forum news and bitcoin.org updated
 712 2011-09-23 15:59:12 <sipa> oh, nvm
 713 2011-09-23 15:59:20 <Blitzboom> whoever controls those
 714 2011-09-23 16:00:13 <sipa> hmm, there is a bitcoin-list mailinglist
 715 2011-09-23 16:00:26 <sipa> where new versions were announced up to 0.3.20.1
 716 2011-09-23 16:00:36 <sipa> is it obsolete?
 717 2011-09-23 16:00:50 <gavinandresen> It'd be good to start announcing there again.  Just slipped through the cracks.
 718 2011-09-23 16:00:55 <gavinandresen> I'll make it so
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 721 2011-09-23 16:05:39 <sipa> gavinandresen: there appeared a green icon next to the .dmg and the .exe here
 722 2011-09-23 16:05:45 <sipa> and those download now
 723 2011-09-23 16:06:07 <gavinandresen> sipa: on github?  great
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 725 2011-09-23 16:06:27 <sipa> yeah
 726 2011-09-23 16:06:34 <b4epoche> is there anyone willing to test my Cocoa UI?  I think it's pretty much feature complete at this point.
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 732 2011-09-23 16:16:56 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: the wiki template for the main page links directly to file URLs (which obviously change with each version)
 733 2011-09-23 16:17:07 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: "update wiki" is simply noting the new version
 734 2011-09-23 16:18:24 <sipa> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Changelog needs updating as well, it seems
 735 2011-09-23 16:19:14 <gavinandresen> afk a bit for lunch...
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 738 2011-09-23 16:20:05 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, hey there is a working group conference call happening right now about a bitcoin payments uri
 739 2011-09-23 16:20:35 <phantomcircuit> you might eb interested
 740 2011-09-23 16:20:37 <phantomcircuit> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/URI_Scheme
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 742 2011-09-23 16:23:59 <tcatm> gavinandresen: pong
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 744 2011-09-23 16:28:51 <Optimo> never though I would see wlalet encryption; congrats are in order perhaps :)
 745 2011-09-23 16:28:57 <Optimo> *wallet
 746 2011-09-23 16:29:15 <tcatm> gavinandresen: you can either edit the index.html online https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/edit/master/index.html (change DOWNLOAD_VERSION and the links in the list around 43..55) or send me an email with the updated links.
 747 2011-09-23 16:29:45 <Optimo> phantomcircuit: I thought the basic uri that I read about once on teh forum was pointed enough; any details of what else is being proposed?
 748 2011-09-23 16:30:00 <phantomcircuit> basically that's it so far
 749 2011-09-23 16:30:30 <gavinandresen> tcatm: I'll just edit the file at github.
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 752 2011-09-23 16:31:13 <Optimo> the only tidbit that seemed like a tossup iirc was whether to use teh base160 version of the public key
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 755 2011-09-23 16:31:40 <sipa> Optimo: ?
 756 2011-09-23 16:31:57 <Optimo> for the uri (I'm getting caught up actually now)
 757 2011-09-23 16:32:04 <gavinandresen> phantomcircuit: my only input would be to keep it simple.
 758 2011-09-23 16:32:24 <Blitzboom> will private key import/export come in 0.5?
 759 2011-09-23 16:32:51 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, agreed
 760 2011-09-23 16:33:04 <alexwaters> is it ok to refer to Bitcoin as 'The Bitcoin project'?
 761 2011-09-23 16:33:19 <phantomcircuit> im going to suggest https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/URI_Scheme minus the tonal stuff
 762 2011-09-23 16:33:34 <Optimo> I like it so far
 763 2011-09-23 16:33:56 <sipa> i think uri's containing a static bitcoin address are not the right way to go
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 765 2011-09-23 16:34:24 <sipa> or at least not the most useful one
 766 2011-09-23 16:34:32 <sipa> https://gist.github.com/1237788
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 769 2011-09-23 16:35:13 <Optimo> same argument as could be made now with people pasting their btc addresses all over teh web
 770 2011-09-23 16:36:33 <Optimo> what if the bitcoin daemon could be finger'd to return a btc address (random halfbaked idea)
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 772 2011-09-23 16:36:58 <Optimo> but the idea about making a payment is that the cleint meant to receive the money doens't have to be ''online'' so that ida sucks
 773 2011-09-23 16:37:08 <gavinandresen> sipa: I like your proposal.
 774 2011-09-23 16:37:15 <Optimo> ++
 775 2011-09-23 16:38:51 <Optimo> the theoretical protocol for a wallet service could mean that the bitcoin: uri could be generated somewhat dynamically at the time that it's shown on a webpage or w/e
 776 2011-09-23 16:39:02 <Optimo> since that wallet service has to be online indefinitely
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 779 2011-09-23 16:39:38 <Optimo> part of the wallet protocol has to include serving up your btc payment address upon request
 780 2011-09-23 16:41:55 <Optimo> so forget the fingering idea above, but the idea could be applied to a wallet service perhaps; the bitcoin: uri would have a the wallet service's servername and a nonce maybe, then it would give up a payment address when your payment-making software uses that uri idea to retrive a n address (if this sounds confusing it's because I'm bad at explaining myself)
 781 2011-09-23 16:42:49 <sipa> Optimo: would you mind reading my proposal? :)
 782 2011-09-23 16:43:01 <sipa> gavinandresen: thanks
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 784 2011-09-23 16:43:45 <Optimo> omg that is exactly what I was trying to ellucidate
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 786 2011-09-23 16:45:02 <Optimo> well thought out, sipa
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 788 2011-09-23 16:45:41 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, what's the current minimum transfer that will result in a fee?
 789 2011-09-23 16:45:45 <phantomcircuit> anybody?
 790 2011-09-23 16:46:40 <phantomcircuit> i see it's listed as 0.0005 BTC but that doesn't seem right from experience
 791 2011-09-23 16:46:41 <gavinandresen> phantomcircuit: you mean current definition of dust spam?  0.0005 BTC if I recall correctly
 792 2011-09-23 16:47:26 <gavinandresen> phantomcircuit: low-priority transactions also get fees, and priority is a function of age and transaction amount (and transaction size in kilobytes)...
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 794 2011-09-23 16:47:53 <Optimo> I thikn this whole mess could be a plugin for Chromium hmm
 795 2011-09-23 16:47:56 <phantomcircuit> yeah im pretty sure the minimum transaction size results in a fee for transactions > 0.0005 BTC
 796 2011-09-23 16:48:02 <gavinandresen> ... so in practice, getting 0.01 bitcoins and trying to spend it in less than 100 days will mean fees.
 797 2011-09-23 16:48:35 <b4epoche> sipa:  I think recent versions of bitcoin do actually support IP transactions
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 799 2011-09-23 16:48:54 <b4epoche> as far as I could tell it was only superficially removed
 800 2011-09-23 16:49:00 <Optimo> b4epoche 0.4 is out btw
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 802 2011-09-23 16:49:05 <Optimo> you will like it
 803 2011-09-23 16:49:07 <gavinandresen> b4epoche: it is on the short list for code to remove
 804 2011-09-23 16:49:20 <b4epoche> Optimo:  got the Cocoa UI for it almost done
 805 2011-09-23 16:49:40 <Optimo> you wanted wallet encryption, so you got it ;p
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 808 2011-09-23 16:50:24 <b4epoche> yea, I like when people listen to me without ever having heard me
 809 2011-09-23 16:50:56 <Optimo> gavinandresen: in your 0.4 post on the forum; typo 'chose' -> choose
 810 2011-09-23 16:51:17 <gavinandresen> Optimo: thanks
 811 2011-09-23 16:51:22 * sipa made a shameful typo as well it seems :S
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 813 2011-09-23 16:52:54 <Optimo> ad gavin touches on it briefly, but in the case of fully-compromised system, as I beleive we did see with the theft from some months ago, the encryption is only a moticum of security slightly greater than who-knows
 814 2011-09-23 16:53:20 <Optimo> b4epoche me and you argued about this iirc ;p
 815 2011-09-23 16:53:24 <Sedra> I'm guessing 0.4 doesn't include the change to stop new address's being generated when a new transaction is received?
 816 2011-09-23 16:53:35 <b4epoche> Optimo: indeed we did ;-)
 817 2011-09-23 16:53:54 <sipa> Sedra: how do you mean?
 818 2011-09-23 16:54:00 <sipa> ah, nvm
 819 2011-09-23 16:54:06 <Optimo> it should help against script-kiddies I guess
 820 2011-09-23 16:54:18 <sipa> no, it still autogenerates the default address upon receipt of transactions to it
 821 2011-09-23 16:54:18 <Optimo> and more or less social engineering
 822 2011-09-23 16:55:11 <b4epoche> and if you use a good password, it should help combat the professionals too
 823 2011-09-23 16:55:20 <Optimo> are there any restrictions on the passkey that can be used?
 824 2011-09-23 16:55:33 <b4epoche> size > 0
 825 2011-09-23 16:55:33 <Optimo> enforced mimnimum input length?
 826 2011-09-23 16:56:09 <Optimo> that reassuring lol
 827 2011-09-23 16:56:09 <Optimo> is it double-verified entry?
 828 2011-09-23 16:56:21 <b4epoche> in Cocoa UI it is
 829 2011-09-23 16:56:28 <Optimo> awesome
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 831 2011-09-23 16:56:58 <Optimo> my 3G here sucks. so I'm off to neverland
 832 2011-09-23 16:57:04 <sipa> what is "double-verified entry" ?
 833 2011-09-23 16:57:09 <sipa> that you need to enter it twice? yes
 834 2011-09-23 16:57:15 <Optimo> yes. great
 835 2011-09-23 16:57:26 <helo> in what scenarios will this wallet encryption prevent bitcoin theft?
 836 2011-09-23 16:57:46 <helo> usually if one has access to the filesystem, one has access to the keyboard
 837 2011-09-23 16:57:47 <sipa> helo: when you backup you wallet.dat to a usb stick, that you lose on the bus
 838 2011-09-23 16:58:18 <sipa> and it makes it somewhat harder, but far from impossible, for script kiddies that get access to your system
 839 2011-09-23 16:58:20 <b4epoche> well, the keys are encrypted so...
 840 2011-09-23 16:58:27 <Optimo> there's still a fair argument that the mainline client doesn't need to offer this, but it's not a bad option to have I suppose ;p
 841 2011-09-23 16:58:32 <Optimo> bai
 842 2011-09-23 16:59:35 <b4epoche> if you use a good passphrase it will make it hard for someone that has your wallet
 843 2011-09-23 17:00:27 <b4epoche> more than anything, I think it discourages 'wallet.dat crawling'
 844 2011-09-23 17:00:32 <sipa> indeed
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 846 2011-09-23 17:01:50 <helo> so it will be wallet.dat keylogging... at least someone would have more of a chance to get caught/detected i suppose
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 848 2011-09-23 17:02:27 <D0han_> b4epoche: what about crunching it on GPU, as every miner do for BTC? ;D
 849 2011-09-23 17:03:00 <sipa> D0han_: if you have a decent passphrase, good luck
 850 2011-09-23 17:03:03 <helo> it is kind of funny that windows users will be more secure than linux users when using bitcoin
 851 2011-09-23 17:03:04 <b4epoche> well, having to crunch it on a GPU is more work than not having to
 852 2011-09-23 17:03:17 <sipa> helo: how so?
 853 2011-09-23 17:03:26 <b4epoche> and OSX users will be the most secure
 854 2011-09-23 17:03:29 <b4epoche> ;-)
 855 2011-09-23 17:03:47 <sipa> warning: reality distortion field detected
 856 2011-09-23 17:04:21 <b4epoche> but I am curious to hear from helo about this
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 858 2011-09-23 17:06:14 <helo> i'm no expert on windows security, but in linux you just have to wait for an 'su' (hijacked) to be able to install a kernel-level keylogger
 859 2011-09-23 17:06:33 <helo> or sudo, etc
 860 2011-09-23 17:06:48 <D0han_> lol, on windows you dont have to wait, most users are on admin account ;D
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 862 2011-09-23 17:07:06 <sipa> and you'd be stupid as hell to give your password when asked without knowing
 863 2011-09-23 17:07:09 <b4epoche> yea, on windows you just need to wait for an internet connection
 864 2011-09-23 17:07:20 <sipa> surely, some people will do that
 865 2011-09-23 17:07:44 <sipa> but the same is true on windows or osx, when asked for superuser rights
 866 2011-09-23 17:07:48 <helo> doesn't microsoft have some pretty heavy hardware-level protections that make getting access to raw keyboard data more difficult?
 867 2011-09-23 17:08:12 <helo> DRM-esque protection
 868 2011-09-23 17:08:21 <sipa> hmm, might be
 869 2011-09-23 17:08:30 <helo> in windows you *cannot* get access to certain datastreams due to DRM
 870 2011-09-23 17:08:49 <sipa> unless you have a rootkit?
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 874 2011-09-23 17:09:47 <helo> even rootkits though... just saw a story yesterday that windows 8's encrypted/locked bootloader could make linux dual-boot setups impossible, because everything that runs on the system will be signed
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 876 2011-09-23 17:10:18 <b4epoche> hmm…  Windows does != Windows will
 877 2011-09-23 17:10:42 <helo> i think a lot of windows 7 is already signed and difficult to tamper with
 878 2011-09-23 17:10:54 <helo> none of that kind of protection in linux afaik
 879 2011-09-23 17:11:31 <phantomcircuit> you can use a TPM to sign linux bootloaders
 880 2011-09-23 17:11:34 <phantomcircuit> but nobody does it
 881 2011-09-23 17:11:44 <b4epoche> but it does seem like MS is finally paying more attention
 882 2011-09-23 17:11:51 <phantomcircuit> it's called TrustedGRUB
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 884 2011-09-23 17:12:15 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
 885 2011-09-23 17:12:15 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin-Sanitytest build #30: FIXED in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Sanitytest/30/
 886 2011-09-23 17:12:36 <cjdelisle> +1 for jenkins :)
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 892 2011-09-23 17:21:51 <sgornick> gavinandresen: For the forum post, would you update the forum thread and add [url] [/url]  so that the download is made as a link
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 908 2011-09-23 17:42:14 <AlonzoTG> Bitcoin still doesn't build for me.
 909 2011-09-23 17:42:23 <AlonzoTG> rpc.cpp:22:46: fatal error: json/json_spirit_reader_template.h: No such file or directory
 910 2011-09-23 17:42:42 <AlonzoTG> -- must be some obscure dependency... =\
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 922 2011-09-23 18:04:36 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: you should send the release announce to bitcoin-development
 923 2011-09-23 18:06:18 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * rf8937b2 / (3 files):
 924 2011-09-23 18:06:18 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Merge pull request #528 from TheBlueMatt/gitian-downloader
 925 2011-09-23 18:06:18 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Add win32 gitian download config. - http://git.io/5hkEmA
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 933 2011-09-23 18:29:17 <Diablo-D3> https://www.survs.com/survey/VCAGZA8CT5
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 936 2011-09-23 18:35:18 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: kinda wish it had "wtf is that feature?" options. Lots of things in git I've never heard about though I use it every day.
 937 2011-09-23 18:35:56 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: thats more of docs fail than anything
 938 2011-09-23 18:36:07 <Diablo-D3> I threw that in one of the freeform boxes on my run through
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 946 2011-09-23 18:45:04 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r366c90818d56 gentoo/net-p2p/ (8 files in 2 dirs): net-p2p/bitcoind and net-p2p/wxbitcoin: 0.4.0: use official source release, and remove RCs
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 976 2011-09-23 19:39:16 <tany000> I just got my first transfer from a pal of mine.I did not recive anything.It takes like 4 mins to load the client and ive got 17 connections but the block size does not change.Anyone ?
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 981 2011-09-23 19:44:27 <Disposition> tany000: so it's at 0?
 982 2011-09-23 19:44:31 <Disposition> what's your block size
 983 2011-09-23 19:44:39 <tany000> no
 984 2011-09-23 19:44:50 <tany000> 1424648
 985 2011-09-23 19:45:12 <Disposition> still? not increasing? also still at 17 connections?
 986 2011-09-23 19:45:12 <tany000> 142468 sorry
 987 2011-09-23 19:45:16 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
 988 2011-09-23 19:45:16 <gribble> 146609
 989 2011-09-23 19:45:24 <tany000> no ,connections change
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 991 2011-09-23 19:46:09 <Disposition> I don't really know what's wrong with it particularlly, but you can try to manually addnode in the config file to connect to one of the backup nodes that's listed on the wiki
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 993 2011-09-23 19:46:17 <Disposition> just to increase connectivity manually.
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 995 2011-09-23 19:46:28 <lfm> try a restart, that often gets it going again for a while. also make sure you have 0.3.24 or newer
 996 2011-09-23 19:46:39 <Disposition> ^ or that.
 997 2011-09-23 19:47:19 <tany000> ive got the latest
 998 2011-09-23 19:47:21 <tany000> how do I do that ?
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1000 2011-09-23 19:47:44 <lfm> exit, wait a minute, restart
1001 2011-09-23 19:48:14 <tany000> already did that
1002 2011-09-23 19:48:27 <lfm> and did it help (for a while)?
1003 2011-09-23 19:48:38 <tany000> not quite
1004 2011-09-23 19:49:05 <Disposition> tany000: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
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1009 2011-09-23 19:55:17 <luke-jr> tany000: you have 0.4.0?
1010 2011-09-23 19:55:36 <tany000> yes
1011 2011-09-23 19:55:44 <tany000> tried also with the previous one
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1013 2011-09-23 19:58:32 <lfm> try addnode= some reliable node with a full block chain
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1015 2011-09-23 20:02:00 <tany000> i did
1016 2011-09-23 20:02:03 <tany000> doesnt work
1017 2011-09-23 20:03:00 <lfm> how long have you waited?
1018 2011-09-23 20:03:51 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: miron@google.com * r222 /wiki/SecurityModel.wiki: Edited wiki page SecurityModel through web user interface.
1019 2011-09-23 20:03:54 <tany000> 10 min
1020 2011-09-23 20:04:44 <lfm> try letting it run an hour or so.
1021 2011-09-23 20:05:43 <XX01XX> Anything ever happen with the idea of putting pooling support into the reference client?
1022 2011-09-23 20:05:58 <lfm> XX01XX: no point
1023 2011-09-23 20:06:29 <tany000> an hour ?
1024 2011-09-23 20:06:31 <tany000> wow
1025 2011-09-23 20:06:38 <tany000> why ? where would be the prob ?
1026 2011-09-23 20:07:29 <lfm> it used to take like 10 min to drop a bad feed and try a new one. it might have to do that more than once to find a good feed
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1029 2011-09-23 20:11:59 <tany000> its been sittig like that for hours now
1030 2011-09-23 20:12:15 <lfm> so why'd you say 10 min?
1031 2011-09-23 20:12:17 <Disposition> delete the blockchain completely? :P
1032 2011-09-23 20:12:42 <tany000> thats since the reboot
1033 2011-09-23 20:13:04 <lfm> ya try it for hours without any reboot or restarts
1034 2011-09-23 20:13:26 <tany000> yup
1035 2011-09-23 20:14:08 <lfm> ok ok, we fooled you, it doesnt work anbd it never has worked and it doesnt work for any of us either. its all a big april fools joke.
1036 2011-09-23 20:14:12 <XX01XX> Delete the block chain.
1037 2011-09-23 20:14:24 <XX01XX> Download it again.
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1048 2011-09-23 20:49:05 <tany000> XX01XX:  whats the name of the blockchain file/
1049 2011-09-23 20:49:36 <gmaxwell> blk0001.dat
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1053 2011-09-23 20:50:09 <lfm> If you are deleting it you should delete blkindex.dat too
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1058 2011-09-23 20:58:06 <gjs278> I really wish the database files were all in their own folder
1059 2011-09-23 20:58:17 <gjs278> I want to mount them somewhere else
1060 2011-09-23 20:58:38 <gjs278> but it's a mix of database/logcrap and __db** garbage all in .bitcoin
1061 2011-09-23 20:58:44 <cjdelisle> symlink?
1062 2011-09-23 20:59:05 <lfm> __db is database files too
1063 2011-09-23 20:59:25 <gjs278> yeah it would just be cool if they were in database/ instead
1064 2011-09-23 20:59:44 <gjs278> .bitcoin should just be wallet.dat .lock and bitcoin.conf really
1065 2011-09-23 20:59:54 <gjs278> addr.dat too I guess
1066 2011-09-23 21:00:14 <lfm> addr.dat is a database to afaik
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1068 2011-09-23 21:01:15 <gjs278> yeah that's true, I'll stick with just wallet.dat .lock and bitcoin.conf wallet.dat
1069 2011-09-23 21:01:27 <gjs278> -the second wallet.dat
1070 2011-09-23 21:01:55 <lfm> wallet.dat is a databse too  think
1071 2011-09-23 21:04:03 <gjs278> well yeah, but I actually want that. plus it doesn't get too big
1072 2011-09-23 21:04:36 <gjs278> the end goal is you could just delete database/ and start over for garbage like blockchain corruptions and mounting the database dir somewhere else because it's getting huge
1073 2011-09-23 21:04:59 <tany000> a guy sent me some btc's few hours ago but I didnt recived them ,because of the block problem ,so I deleted the block chain.Would that be a prob ?
1074 2011-09-23 21:05:24 <gjs278> as long as you have your wallet.dat you can delete your blockchain all day
1075 2011-09-23 21:05:38 <gjs278> you have a long wait though
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1078 2011-09-23 21:10:43 <tany000> oh
1079 2011-09-23 21:10:54 <tany000> how do I figure out how much till I get it ?
1080 2011-09-23 21:11:15 <lfm> ask the guy that sent it?
1081 2011-09-23 21:11:31 <tany000> he said i should wait for 68ish k
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1083 2011-09-23 21:12:21 <lfm> maybe he never sent anything then.
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1085 2011-09-23 21:12:30 <phantomcircuit> lfm, i did ;)
1086 2011-09-23 21:12:48 <lfm> 68ish K?
1087 2011-09-23 21:12:58 <phantomcircuit> the block number
1088 2011-09-23 21:13:06 <phantomcircuit> https://blockexplorer.com/tx/3abdeae31589c8bde5160524e20510fb2365e490efc130dda2c10b2ca3aa7335
1089 2011-09-23 21:13:19 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
1090 2011-09-23 21:13:19 <phantomcircuit> you'll see it once you get to block 146609
1091 2011-09-23 21:13:19 <gribble> 146617
1092 2011-09-23 21:13:46 <lfm> oh
1093 2011-09-23 21:14:28 <tany000> oh
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1106 2011-09-23 21:39:41 <nanotube> so... where's the 0.4 release party? :D
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1108 2011-09-23 21:40:28 <cjdelisle> need to be like java and say:  Bitcoin4 released!
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1112 2011-09-23 21:48:43 <nanotube> cjdelisle: haha
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1119 2011-09-23 22:03:48 <lfm> um, just another bitcoin0 realeased!
1120 2011-09-23 22:05:12 <nanotube> lfm: i think cj is referring to the fact that they call java 1.6.x "java6", so using the same logic we can call this "bitcoin4". :)
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1168 2011-09-23 23:39:20 <sipa> luke-jr: explain to me how deterministic wallets help without two-way communication?
1169 2011-09-23 23:40:10 <luke-jr> sipa: encode the public key root, let the customer pick a key number
1170 2011-09-23 23:40:21 <sipa> ok, and how do you get the key number?
1171 2011-09-23 23:40:35 <luke-jr> put it in the email?
1172 2011-09-23 23:40:46 <sipa> and how is that not two-way communication?
1173 2011-09-23 23:41:09 <luke-jr> communication is only from customer to merchant
1174 2011-09-23 23:41:18 <luke-jr> merchant just publishes a static pubkey root on a website
1175 2011-09-23 23:41:36 <luke-jr> just like now
1176 2011-09-23 23:42:06 <sipa> to me, that is communication in two directions: the website sends an address to the client, the client sends an email (or whatever) to the merchant
1177 2011-09-23 23:42:40 <sipa> and as i said, an address like now suffices for that, if you assume that two-way communication already happens outside of the protocol
1178 2011-09-23 23:42:47 <sipa> my suggestion is just to standardize it
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1180 2011-09-23 23:49:51 <k9quaint> we need a way to encourage women to tattoo their wallet address on their breasts
1181 2011-09-23 23:50:07 <k9quaint> that would get more merchants to use bitcoin as a transaction medium
1182 2011-09-23 23:51:40 <sipa> haha
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1184 2011-09-23 23:55:51 <k9quaint> hell, I would open a bar just to sell beer for bitcoins
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