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  2 2011-10-11 17:02:31 <copumpkin> at this point, either I'm wrong about it being the wrong calling convention (the unwinding shit in g++'s generated code is confusing), or something preprocessorey is changing your calling convention behind your back, or it's a compiler bug :P
  3 2011-10-11 17:02:46 <copumpkin> in the last case, I'll be impressed
  4 2011-10-11 17:02:47 <BlueMatt> well...
  5 2011-10-11 17:03:46 <copumpkin> if you want to experiment with it, you can write a separate little piece of code and change the prototype calling convention of BindLocalPort until you see the correct answer come out of it
  6 2011-10-11 17:03:52 <copumpkin> then you can determine what it's compiled as :P
  7 2011-10-11 17:04:11 <copumpkin> not sure if there's a way to ask g++ to tell you what calling convention it's slapping on individual functions
  8 2011-10-11 17:05:05 <copumpkin> or maybe you should have someone l33ter than me (or with a beefier computer) look at the debug version of the executable
  9 2011-10-11 17:06:17 <gmaxwell> copumpkin: it should be just a fallout from the prototype.
 10 2011-10-11 17:06:27 <gmaxwell> As far as I knew, but BlueMatt seems to have discovered otherwise!
 11 2011-10-11 17:06:32 <copumpkin> yeah, that's what I'd think :P
 12 2011-10-11 17:06:56 <copumpkin> so either some preprocessor voodoo is substituting bad calling conventions into your prototype (seems hard to do given how simple the prototype is)
 13 2011-10-11 17:06:59 <copumpkin> or it's a compiler bug
 14 2011-10-11 17:07:16 <gmaxwell> Or both!
 15 2011-10-11 17:07:27 <BlueMatt> both seem equally unlikely
 16 2011-10-11 17:07:33 <gmaxwell> I haven't been following— you've looked at the preprocessor output right?
 17 2011-10-11 17:07:47 <gmaxwell> No crazy crap got added to the prototype via unintended macro expansion?
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 19 2011-10-11 17:09:01 <luke-jr> #define return return true;
 20 2011-10-11 17:09:07 <luke-jr> <.<
 21 2011-10-11 17:09:52 <Diablo-D3> ..........
 22 2011-10-11 17:09:57 * Diablo-D3 stabs luke-jr
 23 2011-10-11 17:10:26 <luke-jr> #define stabs smiles at
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 25 2011-10-11 17:10:26 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: at least that should result in Warning: Statement with no effect.
 26 2011-10-11 17:10:36 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: nothing crazy after the preprocessor
 27 2011-10-11 17:10:56 <midnightmagic> lol, and with a semicolon
 28 2011-10-11 17:11:04 <midnightmagic> that my friend is satan's work
 29 2011-10-11 17:11:23 <Diablo-D3> return true; //
 30 2011-10-11 17:11:26 <Diablo-D3> would probably be better
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 35 2011-10-11 17:13:33 <midnightmagic> it would certainly drive some people mad that's for sure.
 36 2011-10-11 17:14:38 <gmaxwell> The most fun comes from abusing the precidence rules across macro boundaries.
 37 2011-10-11 17:15:20 <Diablo-D3> argh
 38 2011-10-11 17:15:26 <gmaxwell> Especially the rtl binding ones.
 39 2011-10-11 17:15:26 <midnightmagic> it's too bad the ioccc stopped @ 19, back in 2007 or so.
 40 2011-10-11 17:15:52 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: there is http://underhanded.xcott.com/ too but its been about as lively as ioccc
 41 2011-10-11 17:16:25 <gmaxwell> I was really kind of alarmed at the comments on this thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3093323
 42 2011-10-11 17:16:32 <midnightmagic> i really loved those programs. I especially loved the text-based x-wing renderer.
 43 2011-10-11 17:16:46 <gmaxwell> Lots of people seem to think there is little/no value to understanding whats actually happening— I wonder how the hell these people ever debug anything.
 44 2011-10-11 17:17:07 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: i don't know what rtl binding is. is that to do with how variables are bound to registers?
 45 2011-10-11 17:17:17 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: right to left.
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 49 2011-10-11 17:28:05 <midnightmagic> oh
 50 2011-10-11 17:28:32 <midnightmagic> i used to be much better at C than I am now. that Deep C slideshow is taxing my rusty
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 54 2011-10-11 17:36:38 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r230 /trunk/ (27 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
 55 2011-10-11 17:36:38 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: Second part of Steves lazy parsing patchset:
 56 2011-10-11 17:36:38 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: 1) Added getters and setters to many objects that lacked them.
 57 2011-10-11 17:36:38 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: 2) Introduce a parseLite method that is called even in "lazy parse" mode. This calculates the length of the message so children can be skipped when parsing a container object.
 58 2011-10-11 17:36:38 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: 3) Full serialization for AddressMessage
 59 2011-10-11 17:36:38 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: 4) Added a (huge, standalone) SpeedTest.
 60 2011-10-11 17:36:39 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: 5) Add unit tests for the matrix of lazy parsing modes.
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 62 2011-10-11 17:39:26 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: ahh, you saw the deep c thing?
 63 2011-10-11 17:39:28 <Diablo-D3> thats nifty
 64 2011-10-11 17:39:36 <Diablo-D3> I wanna show that to C noobs everywhere
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 74 2011-10-11 17:55:25 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: Yeah I'm slowly going through it in between waiting for my endless testing runs to complete.
 75 2011-10-11 17:58:12 <asm> Diablo-D3: haha, all 400 slides?
 76 2011-10-11 17:58:47 <Diablo-D3> well, its not slide slides
 77 2011-10-11 17:58:53 <Diablo-D3> they're mostly animationey
 78 2011-10-11 17:58:59 <Diablo-D3> it would have been better has a 10 minute video
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 80 2011-10-11 18:00:12 <asm> true
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 86 2011-10-11 18:03:42 <midnightmagic> i prefer it as slides, i can sit there and think about it without having to explicitly pause anything.
 87 2011-10-11 18:04:59 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: I see the comments you're talking about. I get the same feeling reading them as I get when I learn that full machine assembly is no longer being taught for CSC degrees.
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 89 2011-10-11 18:09:14 <gmaxwell> mix 4evar!
 90 2011-10-11 18:11:50 <gmaxwell> I wonder if the people writing "just don't write that code" have ever had someone demand they explain a failure.  "The code was yucky so I rewrote it and the problem was then gone" isn't a good answer.
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 92 2011-10-11 18:15:09 <copumpkin> BlueMatt: just for you, I'm reloading the -O2 version
 93 2011-10-11 18:15:23 <copumpkin> give my IDA a couple of hours to analyze it ;)
 94 2011-10-11 18:18:07 <copumpkin> god, x86 is so ugly
 95 2011-10-11 18:18:24 <midnightmagic> HAHAHA "This is a piece of shitty C++ code. Is this your code? First of all... never use two spaces for indentation."
 96 2011-10-11 18:18:27 <BlueMatt> copumpkin: heh, thanks Im still confused, random statement insertion in the function makes it work sometimes not others so...
 97 2011-10-11 18:18:46 <copumpkin> hmm
 98 2011-10-11 18:18:50 * sipa uses 2 spaces for indentation ;)
 99 2011-10-11 18:18:56 <sipa> (not in bitcoin source though)
100 2011-10-11 18:19:04 * BlueMatt feels like the only one using \t
101 2011-10-11 18:19:12 <midnightmagic> i use 4 and I used to have a really good reason for it. but now I don't.
102 2011-10-11 18:19:36 <phantomcircuit> INDENTATION WARS!
103 2011-10-11 18:19:44 * sipa grabs some chips
104 2011-10-11 18:20:15 * b4epoche learned to program using fortran
105 2011-10-11 18:20:16 <midnightmagic> (secretly I use \t but i have the editor print it as though it was 4.)
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107 2011-10-11 18:20:31 <luke-jr> tabs is the right way
108 2011-10-11 18:20:35 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, everybody does
109 2011-10-11 18:20:45 <phantomcircuit> and yes
110 2011-10-11 18:20:50 <phantomcircuit> tabs *are* the proper way
111 2011-10-11 18:20:58 <luke-jr> well, depending on what you're doing
112 2011-10-11 18:21:02 <phantomcircuit> people bitching and moaning about formatting need to shut the fuck up
113 2011-10-11 18:21:03 <luke-jr> tabs are right for indenting
114 2011-10-11 18:21:22 <luke-jr> tabs are not right for lining up multiline code things :p
115 2011-10-11 18:21:26 <b4epoche> fortran, when indentation used to mean something!
116 2011-10-11 18:21:34 <luke-jr> b4epoche: I thought that was Python
117 2011-10-11 18:21:42 <sipa> or Haskell
118 2011-10-11 18:21:51 <luke-jr> wait, so nobody here actually likes 4 spaces?
119 2011-10-11 18:21:53 <midnightmagic> yeah but I don't remember why. Style used to be terribly important to me, but these days nobody even knows what the 1TBS is, so..
120 2011-10-11 18:22:01 <luke-jr> can we reindent the bitcoind source please?
121 2011-10-11 18:22:08 <copumpkin> yay haskell
122 2011-10-11 18:22:09 * nanotube likes 4 spaces :)
123 2011-10-11 18:22:12 <copumpkin> I use 2 spaces, fwiw
124 2011-10-11 18:22:21 <luke-jr> ok, can we /kick nanotube and reindent bitcoind source then?
125 2011-10-11 18:22:21 <sipa> 2 or 4 spaces
126 2011-10-11 18:22:22 <wumpus>  I love 4 spaces
127 2011-10-11 18:22:31 <nanotube> luke-jr: lol
128 2011-10-11 18:22:32 <wumpus> if it's good enough for python it's good enoug hfor me
129 2011-10-11 18:22:35 <copumpkin> 3 is perfect
130 2011-10-11 18:22:35 <sipa> anyone pro 3 spaces?
131 2011-10-11 18:22:38 <sipa> haha
132 2011-10-11 18:22:39 <luke-jr> tab characters let you control how many "spaces" a tab appears as ;)
133 2011-10-11 18:22:40 <copumpkin> :D
134 2011-10-11 18:22:47 <imsaguy2> 6 spaces is better
135 2011-10-11 18:22:48 <BlueMatt> what about 6?
136 2011-10-11 18:22:49 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: and create a diff barrier <scary god voice>BEYOND WHICH NO OTHER BUT SPACE-IGNORING DIFFS SHALL PASS</voice>
137 2011-10-11 18:22:53 <copumpkin> lol
138 2011-10-11 18:22:54 <imsaguy2> lol BlueMatt
139 2011-10-11 18:22:55 * sipa wants π spaces
140 2011-10-11 18:22:56 <BlueMatt> imsaguy2: great minds think alike
141 2011-10-11 18:22:57 <copumpkin> 5.3
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143 2011-10-11 18:23:03 <imsaguy2> unless you're solid coin
144 2011-10-11 18:23:05 <imsaguy2> then no spaces
145 2011-10-11 18:23:10 <copumpkin> indentation is for chumps
146 2011-10-11 18:23:18 <luke-jr> my Kate is configured to put tabs all the time.
147 2011-10-11 18:23:22 <copumpkin> real programmers use ed and don't indent
148 2011-10-11 18:23:22 <b4epoche> so are linebreaks
149 2011-10-11 18:23:27 <sipa> wait, people actually use whitespace in source code?
150 2011-10-11 18:23:29 <luke-jr> I have to backspace it and type 4 space-keys for bitcoind -.-
151 2011-10-11 18:23:32 <imsaguy2> real programmers write in machine code
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153 2011-10-11 18:23:33 <b4epoche> and write code as one line
154 2011-10-11 18:23:35 <sipa> just write everthing on one line!
155 2011-10-11 18:23:55 <copumpkin> sipa: what if that changes the meaning of my program?
156 2011-10-11 18:23:56 <copumpkin> http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/
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158 2011-10-11 18:24:12 <wumpus> I write abstract syntax trees directly, screw syntax :P
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160 2011-10-11 18:24:24 <copumpkin> oh, so scheme?
161 2011-10-11 18:24:25 <midnightmagic> sipa: for a long time I put as much code as I could squish into an 80x25 terminal. and it used to be 80x24 but then I always wanted to be able to telnet to kevin-on-demand and laugh as the world's most celebrated hacker stumbled blindly through the command-line.
162 2011-10-11 18:24:32 <sipa> copumpkin: you know Edwin Brady? :)
163 2011-10-11 18:24:39 <copumpkin> only on IRC
164 2011-10-11 18:24:49 <copumpkin> and twitter, I guess :P
165 2011-10-11 18:25:01 <sipa> is he in #haskell?
166 2011-10-11 18:25:18 <copumpkin> usually just #epigram and #agda, as far as I know
167 2011-10-11 18:25:28 <sipa> ok
168 2011-10-11 18:25:46 <copumpkin> a.k.a. #haskell-elite ;)
169 2011-10-11 18:25:58 <phantomcircuit> anybody here have a dwolla account with funds on it? i need someone to transfer $1 with a very specific comment
170 2011-10-11 18:25:59 <phantomcircuit> ill send it right back (dont care about the $0.50 in fees)
171 2011-10-11 18:26:34 <sipa> midnightmagic: i learned programming in BASIC, with an interpreter that used 56k of RAM
172 2011-10-11 18:26:47 <sipa> midnightmagic: kinda encourages writing as much as possible on one line
173 2011-10-11 18:27:29 <midnightmagic> 56K? wow. that seems like a lot when talking about BASIC..  I started on a C64. (Actually VIC=20 but I never wrote any programs on that but what I typed in from books.)
174 2011-10-11 18:27:47 <sipa> GW-BASIC
175 2011-10-11 18:27:53 <midnightmagic> cool
176 2011-10-11 18:28:03 <sipa> on a 286 or 386
177 2011-10-11 18:28:18 <imsaguy2> lol midnightmagic
178 2011-10-11 18:28:29 <midnightmagic> those were always very infuriating machines for me. nothing seemed to work right and I'd get angry that I couldn't just plug something in and expect it to work.
179 2011-10-11 18:28:44 <JFK911> will bitcoin work on a vic20
180 2011-10-11 18:29:18 <sipa> 3.5kb usable memory
181 2011-10-11 18:29:21 <sipa> i doubt it :p
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200 2011-10-11 19:08:35 <dikidera> I don't suppose there is a way to convert a pubkey hash to a pubkey?
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202 2011-10-11 19:09:36 <dikidera> scratch that
203 2011-10-11 19:09:46 <dikidera> a way to convert a pubkey hash to a valid bitcoin address
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222 2011-10-11 19:37:32 <terrytibbs> Where can I find more info about the build process for linux binaries?
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231 2011-10-11 19:49:18 <wumpus> terrytibbs: doc/build-unix.txt
232 2011-10-11 19:50:07 <terrytibbs> wumpus: is that how they're packaged up before release?
233 2011-10-11 19:50:13 <terrytibbs> are they stripped of debug code?
234 2011-10-11 19:50:22 <terrytibbs> how do you maintain compatibility across platforms?
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237 2011-10-11 19:51:05 <wumpus> I think a gitian script is used for that, don't ask me how that works though
238 2011-10-11 19:51:28 <wumpus> what compatibility across platforms? there is a different makefile for each platform afaik :p
239 2011-10-11 19:52:03 <sipa> it constructs a virtual machine, fetches a git commit inside of it and akl build dependencies, and then runs the build script
240 2011-10-11 19:52:07 <gmaxwell> "It's easier to write a portable make(1) than it is to wrote a portable makefile"
241 2011-10-11 19:52:34 <wumpus> sipa: right, thanks
242 2011-10-11 19:52:42 <wumpus> it's magical!
243 2011-10-11 19:53:10 <dikidera> sipa:how do i convert a hash160 hash of a pubkey back to a public key OR bitcoin address?
244 2011-10-11 19:53:15 <terrytibbs> Neat! Where may I learn more about this?
245 2011-10-11 19:54:01 <wumpus> gmaxwell: right, many people have tried and failed :-)
246 2011-10-11 19:54:02 <sipa> the idea is reproducible builds
247 2011-10-11 19:56:56 <luke-jr> [15:26:47] <luke-jr> first, prepend \0; then, double-sha256 the whole 21 octets; take the first 4 octets of that double-sha256 and append it
248 2011-10-11 19:56:58 <luke-jr> [15:26:52] <luke-jr> finally, base58 the whole thing
249 2011-10-11 19:57:09 <luke-jr> [15:44:44] <luke-jr> dikidera: it's a hash160(sha256(pubkey))
250 2011-10-11 19:58:17 <dikidera> yes i saw that luke, but i wanted to verify
251 2011-10-11 19:58:21 <dikidera> and maybe find an easier way
252 2011-10-11 19:59:29 <luke-jr> …
253 2011-10-11 19:59:31 <luke-jr> as if that's hard
254 2011-10-11 19:59:35 <wumpus> can it be easier :p
255 2011-10-11 20:01:14 <dikidera> yes
256 2011-10-11 20:01:22 <dikidera> like some ready to use function for X language
257 2011-10-11 20:02:36 <luke-jr> from bitcoin import address; address.fromKeyhash(keyhash); address.fromKey(key)
258 2011-10-11 20:03:58 <dikidera> actually i just found out a python script that does this, but i'll be damned if i can port this to php
259 2011-10-11 20:04:09 <dikidera> i've never worked with bits, bit operators..its too hard
260 2011-10-11 20:04:26 <wumpus> it's a good learning experience
261 2011-10-11 20:04:58 <dikidera> not for a person with ADD
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264 2011-10-11 20:06:35 <wumpus> that's a lousy excuse :p too hard means "excellent challenge"
265 2011-10-11 20:07:06 <dikidera> no its not a lousy excuse
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267 2011-10-11 20:07:21 <dikidera> add has always obstructed any kind of learning i just cant concentrate
268 2011-10-11 20:07:22 <luke-jr> dikidera: guess what.
269 2011-10-11 20:07:31 <luke-jr> NONE OF WHAT I SAID HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH BIT-LEVEL OPERATIONS\
270 2011-10-11 20:07:43 <dikidera> you said 21 octets
271 2011-10-11 20:07:48 <dikidera> which is 168 bits
272 2011-10-11 20:07:51 <luke-jr> …
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274 2011-10-11 20:08:05 <luke-jr> ok, sorry, your idiocy just exceeded the tolerance level
275 2011-10-11 20:08:21 <gmaxwell> \0/
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279 2011-10-11 20:08:39 <wumpus> byte-level operations are also bit-level operations!
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300 2011-10-11 20:28:54 <dikidera> and is that the formula to the pubkey hash to pubkey or to a bitcoin address since it was not clarified
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302 2011-10-11 20:30:27 <dikidera> s/to the/for the
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304 2011-10-11 20:33:00 <dikidera> and this is the result
305 2011-10-11 20:33:01 <dikidera> 5sZmW8Uwh5fhA4sF1ztEr8rsaT2fq1syw9qAesksZyhhREDeX1vFGgFPxxmMvDh7Nv2pSGwQYC2gZQfcvHi7cKLV
306 2011-10-11 20:33:07 <dikidera> i have no idea what that is
307 2011-10-11 20:36:28 <dikidera> but its neither bitcoin address nor pubkey
308 2011-10-11 20:39:27 <Eliel> maybe it's private key then?
309 2011-10-11 20:39:48 <dikidera> uh no
310 2011-10-11 20:39:54 <dikidera> its a pubkey hash, im sure of it
311 2011-10-11 20:40:01 <dikidera> since i copied from its designated plac
312 2011-10-11 20:40:02 <dikidera> e
313 2011-10-11 20:41:45 <Eliel> there's readymade C++ and python code for converting it to other formats.
314 2011-10-11 20:41:55 <dikidera> i need it in php
315 2011-10-11 20:42:11 <dikidera> since everything for converting a pubkey to a bitcoin address is in there
316 2011-10-11 20:42:18 <dikidera> and i will be pulling my data from mysql via php
317 2011-10-11 20:43:06 <BlueMatt> ;;later tell gavinandresen well, nfc whats gonna happen with xcompiling bitcoin-qt at this point...no problem getting qt to xcompile and getting bitcoin-qt to xcompile, but there are some really bizarre compiler/linker/header-redefining-true bugs blocking at this point...these kinds of things being well over my head Im stuck, may have to do aws builds for 0.5
318 2011-10-11 20:43:06 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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320 2011-10-11 20:44:12 <dikidera> lol
321 2011-10-11 20:44:15 <dikidera> i neednt have done anything
322 2011-10-11 20:44:30 <log0s> dikidera: have you looked at the relevant wiki pages?
323 2011-10-11 20:45:10 <dikidera> honestly i've looked at the wiki at bitcoin.org and while there are mentions of hash160 or pubkeys; there is absolutely no info on them
324 2011-10-11 20:45:39 <log0s> you've looked at this page? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Address
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326 2011-10-11 20:46:39 <dikidera> uh no i have not...weird..anywho it appears the bitcoin controller written in php already has a function that does what i want
327 2011-10-11 20:46:46 <dikidera> weird i never clearly saw the name
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329 2011-10-11 20:48:25 <dikidera> i really like it when things are already made there for you
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333 2011-10-11 20:53:52 <dikidera> Well, i have add, i cant pay attention to stuff
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335 2011-10-11 20:54:11 <dikidera> there have been many times where i almost got hit by a car
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337 2011-10-11 20:55:14 <dikidera> I've tried many times to read books, but nothing gets into my head
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355 2011-10-11 21:31:37 <MrDDisBack> Hello
356 2011-10-11 21:32:04 <MrDDisBack> Anyone knows why is btc not getting higher?
357 2011-10-11 21:32:26 <MrDDisBack> Why devs cant "fix" it?
358 2011-10-11 21:32:34 <MrDDisBack> Will btc die?
359 2011-10-11 21:33:05 <nanotube> the price of bitcoins is the result of supply and demand
360 2011-10-11 21:33:14 <nanotube> devs do not control the price
361 2011-10-11 21:33:57 <MrDDisBack> But, someone is controlling it
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363 2011-10-11 21:34:08 <MrDDisBack> Someone is killing btc value
364 2011-10-11 21:34:38 <nanotube> dropping price means there's more supply than demand at the moment
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366 2011-10-11 21:35:09 <MrDDisBack> yes, and demand will not grow like supply did
367 2011-10-11 21:35:18 <nanotube> supply and demand are made up of people wanting to buy and sell coins, so yes, "someone" is, but it is multiple someones, in all likelihood.
368 2011-10-11 21:36:05 <luke-jr> MrDDisBack: you are killing BTC value ;)
369 2011-10-11 21:36:20 <luke-jr> everyone who is willing to sell BTC under $25 is responsible for the price being under $25
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371 2011-10-11 21:36:35 <nanotube> you want to raise price, demand more coins, or supply sell coins. :)
372 2011-10-11 21:36:39 <nanotube> it's all in your hands
373 2011-10-11 21:36:41 <nanotube> heh
374 2011-10-11 21:36:42 <MrDDisBack> devs, or "main heads" of bitcoin project should "fix" this somehow
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376 2011-10-11 21:37:05 <nanotube> well, if you give the devs a few dozen millions of usd, then they can use it to fix it
377 2011-10-11 21:37:17 <MrDDisBack> yeah sure.. lol
378 2011-10-11 21:37:19 <nanotube> by buying bitcoins on the open market
379 2011-10-11 21:37:38 <MrDDisBack> so devs should start opening more world wide connections
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381 2011-10-11 21:38:04 <nanotube> why don't you help? try to convince some businesses to accept bitcoins
382 2011-10-11 21:38:06 <MrDDisBack> i mean.. adding bitcoins everywhere
383 2011-10-11 21:38:14 <luke-jr> MrDDisBack: there are no heads
384 2011-10-11 21:38:24 <MrDDisBack> i cant convince, i am small man
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386 2011-10-11 21:38:40 <MrDDisBack> but guys who Lead this, should do something bigger
387 2011-10-11 21:38:43 <luke-jr> MrDDisBack: do you accept bitcoins for your line of work?
388 2011-10-11 21:38:53 <MrDDisBack> then just waiting for btc to die
389 2011-10-11 21:38:56 <nanotube> luke-jr: first question should be, do you /have/ a line of work :)
390 2011-10-11 21:39:09 <luke-jr> nanotube: he's online
391 2011-10-11 21:39:35 <MrDDisBack> hm
392 2011-10-11 21:39:46 <nanotube> luke-jr: doesn't mean anything. plenty of hobos, kids, and students are online
393 2011-10-11 21:39:54 <luke-jr> MrDDisBack: the more merchants that accept Bitcoin, the more demand
394 2011-10-11 21:39:59 <MrDDisBack> yes
395 2011-10-11 21:40:15 <MrDDisBack> only way to fix bitcoin price is to make digital banks
396 2011-10-11 21:40:20 <MrDDisBack> in world
397 2011-10-11 21:40:23 <copumpkin> lol
398 2011-10-11 21:41:00 <luke-jr> MrDDisBack: you can't fix prices of anything
399 2011-10-11 21:41:07 <luke-jr> MrDDisBack: every currency fluxuates to some degree
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401 2011-10-11 21:42:42 <MrDDisBack> yes but this is not fluxuating, its dying
402 2011-10-11 21:42:55 <MrDDisBack> that means market is getting smaller and smaller
403 2011-10-11 21:43:21 <MrDDisBack> and alot of btcs are produced
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407 2011-10-11 21:44:42 <luke-jr> MrDDisBack: USD is dying too
408 2011-10-11 21:44:46 <luke-jr> so is Euro
409 2011-10-11 21:45:02 <MrDDisBack> no
410 2011-10-11 21:45:06 <MrDDisBack> its stable
411 2011-10-11 21:45:19 <MrDDisBack> not dying
412 2011-10-11 21:45:48 <luke-jr> lol
413 2011-10-11 21:46:03 <luke-jr> USD's value goes down pretty consistently
414 2011-10-11 21:46:20 <luke-jr> anyhow, topic for #bitcoin, not here
415 2011-10-11 21:46:32 <luke-jr> on topic: anyone here able to build Bitcoin-Qt on Windows?
416 2011-10-11 21:49:16 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
417 2011-10-11 21:49:17 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.1185,"low":3.84962,"avg":3.960350437,"vwap":3.948149363,"vol":38925,"last_all":3.92143,"last_local":3.92143,"last":3.92143,"buy":3.89832,"sell":3.92143}}
418 2011-10-11 21:49:34 <edcba> bitcoin is going down too
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