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  42 2011-10-13 01:16:57 <luke-jr> devrandom: poke
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  67 2011-10-13 02:10:54 <anon2048> Fiat <3 Bitcoin: http://pastebin.com/KegRdJwy
  68 2011-10-13 02:12:26 <cjdelisl1> heh
  69 2011-10-13 02:12:36 <imsaguy> stupid /msg
  70 2011-10-13 02:14:49 <cjdelisl1> I'd just tag them with [ I'd rather be spending bitcoin ]
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  75 2011-10-13 02:21:58 <Graet> mm i think i will
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  82 2011-10-13 02:33:36 <devrandom> luke-jr: peek
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  94 2011-10-13 03:02:41 <luke-jr> devrandom: Windows binaries? :P
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 109 2011-10-13 03:28:03 <groffer> luke-jr: I think BlueMatt is working on that
 110 2011-10-13 03:29:29 <luke-jr> I just need bitcoind :/
 111 2011-10-13 03:29:31 <luke-jr> that should be easy
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 113 2011-10-13 03:35:24 <SomeoneWeird> can't you compile it luke-jr ?
 114 2011-10-13 03:35:38 <luke-jr> SomeoneWeird: no, I don't even USE windows
 115 2011-10-13 03:35:46 <SomeoneWeird> rightyo
 116 2011-10-13 03:37:24 <devrandom> luke-jr groffer: yeah, I think he's still dealing with a possible compiler code generation issue
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 118 2011-10-13 03:38:03 <luke-jr> devrandom: in bitcoind or bitcoin-qt? :p
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 120 2011-10-13 03:39:05 <devrandom> luke-jr: good point, maybe the issue doesn't manifest in bitcoind
 121 2011-10-13 03:40:20 <devrandom> luke-jr: you can try compiling it. install mingw and make -f makefile.mingw bitcoind.exe
 122 2011-10-13 03:41:06 <groffer> winblows.... sigh
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 125 2011-10-13 03:43:19 <luke-jr> devrandom: I have mingw. I don't have boost/bdb for mingw
 126 2011-10-13 03:44:29 <devrandom> luke-jr: the gitian script has steps for compiling each
 127 2011-10-13 03:45:13 <luke-jr> devrandom: Gitian requires Ruby crap
 128 2011-10-13 03:45:14 <devrandom> (just shell commands)
 129 2011-10-13 03:45:49 <devrandom> you can ignore the gitian boilerplate, just do the shell steps to build each item
 130 2011-10-13 03:46:20 <luke-jr> O.o
 131 2011-10-13 03:46:28 <devrandom> (i.e. copy-paste them from the gitian mingw file)
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 134 2011-10-13 03:53:07 <luke-jr> why on earth are you guys doing i586?
 135 2011-10-13 03:54:16 <luke-jr> and calling mingw msvc⁇? O.o
 136 2011-10-13 03:56:55 <devrandom> I didn't do the mingw stuff
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 141 2011-10-13 04:15:34 <jrmithdobbs> gitian is awful and requires ancient versions of everything
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 146 2011-10-13 04:22:49 <devrandom> jrmithdobbs: what seems to be the problem?
 147 2011-10-13 04:26:32 <jrmithdobbs> wait sorry i was thinking of gitorious my bad
 148 2011-10-13 04:27:01 <luke-jr> fail
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 156 2011-10-13 04:43:45 <devrandom> luke-jr: symptom?
 157 2011-10-13 04:43:59 <luke-jr> devrandom: it doesn't like mingw :P
 158 2011-10-13 04:44:13 <jrmithdobbs> devrandom: can gitian run on anything but ubuntu?
 159 2011-10-13 04:44:51 <devrandom> it needs apt-cacher-ng
 160 2011-10-13 04:44:58 <jrmithdobbs> why
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 162 2011-10-13 04:45:44 <devrandom> it creates an ubuntu guest vm
 163 2011-10-13 04:46:39 <devrandom> that's the only guest os I have support for
 164 2011-10-13 04:47:19 <jrmithdobbs> so? shouldn't it just need qemu and then do the guest install with debian-installer?
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 166 2011-10-13 04:48:00 <jrmithdobbs> then you just need an http proxy
 167 2011-10-13 04:48:10 <devrandom> it runs debian bootstrap before creating the vm
 168 2011-10-13 04:48:31 <jrmithdobbs> right, there's other ways to do that
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 170 2011-10-13 04:49:48 <devrandom> it could be be improved
 171 2011-10-13 04:49:54 <jrmithdobbs> fai and a local http proxy accomplishes the same thing
 172 2011-10-13 04:50:15 <devrandom> maybe chroot and do away with need for vm
 173 2011-10-13 04:50:42 <jrmithdobbs> no then it's even harder to build on not-ubuntu
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 177 2011-10-13 04:51:21 <jrmithdobbs> eg, os x
 178 2011-10-13 04:52:39 <devrandom> yeah, both ways would be useful.
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 180 2011-10-13 04:52:52 <devrandom> will have both
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 182 2011-10-13 04:54:13 <devrandom> debian installer has a batch mode.  that should work too.
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 215 2011-10-13 05:54:28 <signmes> can someone help me get signmessage to work?
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 230 2011-10-13 06:39:53 <enquirer> where an i get bitcoind.exe version 0.5
 231 2011-10-13 06:40:52 <dub> sounds like you have to build it yourself
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 259 2011-10-13 07:27:33 <conman> o/
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 301 2011-10-13 08:32:47 <neofutur> when i try to use bitcoind signmessage , i get :
 302 2011-10-13 08:32:54 <neofutur> error: {"code":-4,"message":"Private key not available"}
 303 2011-10-13 08:33:03 <neofutur> anything i should do to generate a private key ?
 304 2011-10-13 08:33:55 <neofutur> i find nothing related in bitcoind help and bitcoind help signmessage
 305 2011-10-13 08:34:14 <wumpus> maybe your wallet is locked?
 306 2011-10-13 08:34:43 <wumpus> it's the only reason I can think of for private keys not being available...
 307 2011-10-13 08:34:54 <neofutur> its an old wallet , existed before the signmessage appeared
 308 2011-10-13 08:34:59 <neofutur> but its not locked
 309 2011-10-13 08:35:29 <sipa> you did use one of your own addresses, right?
 310 2011-10-13 08:35:55 <wumpus> hehe
 311 2011-10-13 08:35:56 <neofutur> yes
 312 2011-10-13 08:36:06 <neofutur> bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress
 313 2011-10-13 08:36:12 <neofutur> gives my my list of transactions
 314 2011-10-13 08:36:13 <sipa> ok
 315 2011-10-13 08:37:49 <neofutur> private keys should have been generated automatically ?
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 317 2011-10-13 08:38:14 <neofutur> nothing related to this new option bitcoind keypoolrefill ?
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 319 2011-10-13 08:38:58 <neofutur> a strace gives me :
 320 2011-10-13 08:38:59 <neofutur> sendmsg(6, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(1)=[{"POST / HTTP/1.1\r\nUser-Agent: bitc"..., 395}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 395
 321 2011-10-13 08:39:03 <neofutur> recvmsg(6, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(1)=[{"HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Erro"..., 4096}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, 0) = 266
 322 2011-10-13 08:39:07 <neofutur> when i do the signmessage stuff
 323 2011-10-13 08:39:24 <sipa> that is just rpc you see
 324 2011-10-13 08:39:51 <sipa> your wallet has private keys for all your own keys
 325 2011-10-13 08:39:55 <neofutur> 500 Internal Server Error
 326 2011-10-13 08:40:00 <neofutur> when other commands are working
 327 2011-10-13 08:40:07 <sipa> eh?
 328 2011-10-13 08:40:39 <neofutur> i receive msg_iov(1)=[{"HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Erro"
 329 2011-10-13 08:40:46 <neofutur> on signmessage
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 336 2011-10-13 08:47:36 <neofutur> hum blockchain is still updating, i ll wait a little and try again
 337 2011-10-13 08:48:13 <sipa> that shouldn't matter, actually
 338 2011-10-13 08:52:39 <neofutur> http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2011/06/30/18
 339 2011-10-13 08:52:51 <neofutur> only reference for this error message i can find on google
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 356 2011-10-13 09:29:25 <neofutur> grumph on centos you need to rebuild the ssl package to add ecdsa support
 357 2011-10-13 09:30:12 <neofutur> sipa: if I saved my wallet.dat only months ago, i lost my private keys for my adresses ?
 358 2011-10-13 09:30:19 <diki> R.I.P dennis ritchie
 359 2011-10-13 09:30:23 <neofutur> they arent regenerated ?
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 364 2011-10-13 09:33:42 <gmaxwell> neofutur: your wallet generates 100 keys ahead of your current usage invisibly.. but if you've used more than 100 since your backup (via getnewaddress or for change in spends) then you'll lose money if you lose your wallet.
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 367 2011-10-13 09:35:06 <dub> is there any way to avoid downloading the blockchain again for 0.5?
 368 2011-10-13 09:36:16 <gmaxwell> dub: just don't erase your blockchain.
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 371 2011-10-13 09:37:45 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
 372 2011-10-13 09:37:50 <dub> gmaxwell: I got this http://pastebin.com/msVLNYr0
 373 2011-10-13 09:38:04 <neofutur> gmaxwell: less than 100 adresse, but they were generated logn ago, like one year
 374 2011-10-13 09:38:17 <snimpy> ;; bc,deepbit
 375 2011-10-13 09:38:21 <gribble> 3058062000
 376 2011-10-13 09:38:24 <snimpy> ;;bc,slushpool
 377 2011-10-13 09:38:29 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
 378 2011-10-13 09:38:36 <neofutur> and when i try to use bitcoind signmessage , i get : error: {"code":-4,"message":"Private key not available"}
 379 2011-10-13 09:38:39 <gmaxwell> neofutur: It's not clear to me what you're saying.
 380 2011-10-13 09:38:42 <snimpy> slushs pool dds?
 381 2011-10-13 09:38:58 <neofutur> it seems i dont have the Private key for my old adress
 382 2011-10-13 09:39:08 <gmaxwell> neofutur: is your wallet locked?
 383 2011-10-13 09:39:17 <neofutur> how can I check this ?
 384 2011-10-13 09:39:51 <neofutur> yes there is a .lock file in my .bitcoin folder
 385 2011-10-13 09:40:20 <gmaxwell> neofutur: Thats unrelated. Are you using wallet encryption?
 386 2011-10-13 09:40:51 <gmaxwell> If so, use walletpassphrase to unlock your wallet before using signmessage.
 387 2011-10-13 09:41:11 <neofutur> nop, never used this
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 389 2011-10-13 09:41:56 <neofutur> all the bitcoind commands work well, only bitcoind signmessage have a problem, not finding the private key
 390 2011-10-13 09:42:22 <neofutur> are the private keys stored in the wallet.dat or somewhere else ?
 391 2011-10-13 09:42:36 <gmaxwell> In your wallet.dat.
 392 2011-10-13 09:45:32 <neofutur> ok, so i ll delete anything in .bitcoin and just keep wallet.dat with a new install
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 407 2011-10-13 10:00:25 <UukGoblin> db.cpp:952: warning: not protecting function: no buffer at least 8 bytes long
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 410 2011-10-13 10:01:02 <UukGoblin> when building git latest
 411 2011-10-13 10:01:20 <UukGoblin> same at bitcoinrpc.cpp:2528
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 426 2011-10-13 10:35:37 <neofutur> UukGoblin: i had the same warning, also git latest
 427 2011-10-13 10:35:50 <neofutur> where can I get the 0.5rc tarball ?
 428 2011-10-13 10:36:01 <neofutur> my private key problem could be related to using the latest git
 429 2011-10-13 10:37:17 <UukGoblin> private key problem?
 430 2011-10-13 10:37:28 <UukGoblin> hm
 431 2011-10-13 10:37:37 <UukGoblin> I just signmessage'd with git latest and it worked fine
 432 2011-10-13 10:38:13 <gmaxwell> UukGoblin: those warnings are completely uninteresting and harmless.
 433 2011-10-13 10:38:27 <gmaxwell> It's just saying that the stack protection hardening had nothing to do for those functions.
 434 2011-10-13 10:39:24 <UukGoblin> gmaxwell, ah, good
 435 2011-10-13 10:39:56 <gmaxwell> I suppose it might be reasonable to set the minimum to 1 for bitcoin, I doubt it would really make a performance difference.
 436 2011-10-13 10:40:47 <UukGoblin> hm, where does verifymessage get the public key from? a bitcoin address is only a hash of it, right?
 437 2011-10-13 10:41:14 <neofutur> UukGoblin: {"code":-4,"message":"Private key not available"}
 438 2011-10-13 10:41:15 <gmaxwell> UukGoblin: from the signature.
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 440 2011-10-13 10:41:43 <neofutur> and its my address, everything works but bitcoind signmessage
 441 2011-10-13 10:41:54 <neofutur> strace shows it receive :
 442 2011-10-13 10:41:57 <UukGoblin> gmaxwell, ah, so signature actually contains the pubkey + signature?
 443 2011-10-13 10:42:08 <neofutur> sendmsg(6, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(1)=[{"POST / HTTP/1.1\r\nUser-Agent: bitc"..., 395}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 395
 444 2011-10-13 10:42:11 <neofutur> recvmsg(6, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(1)=[{"HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Erro"..., 4096}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, 0) = 266
 445 2011-10-13 10:42:46 <gmaxwell> UukGoblin: Nope. :) The signature contains the signature. ECDSA public keys can be recovered from the signature itself.
 446 2011-10-13 10:42:51 <UukGoblin> neofutur, does verifyaddress on that address show it's yours?
 447 2011-10-13 10:43:03 <UukGoblin> gmaxwell, ah... interesting...
 448 2011-10-13 10:43:41 <neofutur> I ll check
 449 2011-10-13 10:44:12 <neofutur> you mean validateaddress ?
 450 2011-10-13 10:44:30 <neofutur>     "isvalid" : true,
 451 2011-10-13 10:44:33 <neofutur>     "ismine" : false,
 452 2011-10-13 10:45:19 <gmaxwell> well, indeed, sounds like the wallet you're using doesn't have that address in it.
 453 2011-10-13 10:46:15 <neofutur> hum, i could have used the bad wallet
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 524 2011-10-13 12:55:23 <talpan> hello, i want to see if i got a incoming transactions for a specific address. get or listreceivedby doesn't do it. i want the full transaction with txid. Am I missing something or is there currently now rpc-command for that?
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 530 2011-10-13 13:04:23 <slush1> [Tycho]: you here?
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 532 2011-10-13 13:06:06 <conman> probably still busy putting out fires
 533 2011-10-13 13:06:16 <sipa> how so?
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 535 2011-10-13 13:06:58 <conman> longest outage for deepbit in a while... must be something decent sized to take it out for that long
 536 2011-10-13 13:07:20 <sipa> wow: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png
 537 2011-10-13 13:07:36 <sipa> noticable indeed
 538 2011-10-13 13:07:49 <luke-jr> lol
 539 2011-10-13 13:07:54 <luke-jr> they aren't moving to another pool?
 540 2011-10-13 13:07:57 <conman> blocks are coming at half the speed
 541 2011-10-13 13:08:00 <slush1> actually attack is going bigger when they see we're starting to fight it
 542 2011-10-13 13:08:06 <luke-jr> sipa: do you have *any* Windows build with signmessage btw?
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 544 2011-10-13 13:09:29 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: Of course not.
 545 2011-10-13 13:12:18 <imsaguy2> Its the 2 step, ddos the biggest pools so they can't be productive and at the same time, ramp up your botnet production to see if you can overtake what's left (test the 51%)
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 550 2011-10-13 13:13:41 <epscy> ;;bc,diffchange
 551 2011-10-13 13:13:43 <gribble> Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | -12.7836546322 % based on data since last change | -29.0569879185 % based on data for last three days
 552 2011-10-13 13:13:50 <epscy> 29% yikes
 553 2011-10-13 13:13:51 <slush1> I still don't understand why attacker didn't shot down btcguild
 554 2011-10-13 13:14:06 <Graet> yer
 555 2011-10-13 13:14:12 <talpan> hello, i want to see if i got a incoming transactions for a specific address. get or listreceivedby doesn't do it. i want the full transaction with txid. Am I missing something or is there currently no rpc-command for that?
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 558 2011-10-13 13:17:41 <tcatm> talpan: could be a bug...
 559 2011-10-13 13:17:58 <talpan> that's what i consider too
 560 2011-10-13 13:18:02 <talpan> hold on a sec
 561 2011-10-13 13:18:27 <talpan> here is one weird thing:simon@simon-desktop:~/Downloads/bitcoin-bitcoin-398049e/src$ ./bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress 14gZn3riMtpufftPLceFxzzGbiMNG8HkLK
 562 2011-10-13 13:18:27 <talpan> [
 563 2011-10-13 13:18:27 <talpan>     {
 564 2011-10-13 13:18:27 <talpan>         "address" : "1Mq8JmbXQJKsVbmWvhCF89G6iM9sBrWtgd",
 565 2011-10-13 13:19:20 <talpan> but other than the address, account, amount and confirmations i don't get anything. i would like to have the txid
 566 2011-10-13 13:23:16 <tcatm> looks like listreceivedbyaddress is broken
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 613 2011-10-13 14:40:29 <AlexWaters> gavinandresen: nice!
 614 2011-10-13 14:40:45 <gavinandresen> what'd I do now?
 615 2011-10-13 14:41:07 <AlexWaters> gavinandresen: the state of Bitcoin memo, much appreciated
 616 2011-10-13 14:41:38 <gavinandresen> good, thanks for the feedback!
 617 2011-10-13 14:41:46 <AlexWaters> and the weekend ETA on binaries is relieving
 618 2011-10-13 14:41:48 <talpan> source?
 619 2011-10-13 14:42:19 <gavinandresen> talpan: bitcoin-dev mailing list
 620 2011-10-13 14:42:32 <gavinandresen> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development
 621 2011-10-13 14:42:44 <talpan> ty
 622 2011-10-13 14:43:18 <AlexWaters> gavinandresen: the item about the cross-platform testing infastructure - does that integrate Jenkins?
 623 2011-10-13 14:43:56 <gavinandresen> does it?  no, it is quite a ways from being implemented.  could it?  I suppose it could....
 624 2011-10-13 14:44:32 <AlexWaters> and, any chance your twisted work is available to the public?
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 626 2011-10-13 14:45:09 <gavinandresen> sure:  https://github.com/gavinandresen/Bitcoin-protocol-test-harness
 627 2011-10-13 14:45:17 <AlexWaters> awesome, thanks!
 628 2011-10-13 14:45:27 <shadders> gavinandresen: said it on the list but I feel strongly enough about it say it again here... you should invite ArtForz onto the security list..
 629 2011-10-13 14:46:02 <gavinandresen> I'll see what the other developer think. I'm hesitant to invite somebody anonymous to discuss possible security breaches
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 631 2011-10-13 14:46:33 <shadders> I've talked to him an awful lot lately... the man is human cpu.  I'd be surprised if he can't calculate sha256 in his head
 632 2011-10-13 14:46:35 <gavinandresen> (I'd make an exception for Satoshi)
 633 2011-10-13 14:46:37 <AlexWaters> IMO the artist formerly known as ArtForz should be invited
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 636 2011-10-13 14:48:20 <talpan> ArtFortz can do 1THashes @1 bar of chocolate ))
 637 2011-10-13 14:48:59 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: any news in bitcoind binaries? you only mentioned Bitcoin-Qt bins
 638 2011-10-13 14:50:02 <gavinandresen> no news
 639 2011-10-13 14:50:34 <luke-jr> apparently Gentoo's mingw is broken -.-
 640 2011-10-13 14:50:45 * luke-jr tries 4.4 instead of 4.5
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 642 2011-10-13 14:51:18 <cosurgi> guys, how can I check history of all difficulties?
 643 2011-10-13 14:51:27 <sipa> luke-jr: i don't have windows build
 644 2011-10-13 14:51:29 <sipa> s
 645 2011-10-13 14:51:34 <cosurgi> it used to be in http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/difficultiez.php
 646 2011-10-13 14:51:40 <cosurgi> but now it's empty
 647 2011-10-13 14:51:49 <urstroyer> @cosurgi: http://btcserv.net/bitcoin/history/
 648 2011-10-13 14:52:40 <cosurgi> thanks
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 682 2011-10-13 16:26:20 <cosurgi> luke-jr: on average to mine a block a pool needs <difficulty> number of shares, right?
 683 2011-10-13 16:27:26 <luke-jr> cosurgi: on average, yes.
 684 2011-10-13 16:27:34 <luke-jr> well, depending on what you mean
 685 2011-10-13 16:27:58 <luke-jr> 63% chance you find it in under <difficulty> shares
 686 2011-10-13 16:28:09 <luke-jr> but there's also a chance you'll never find it ;)
 687 2011-10-13 16:28:19 <luke-jr> overall, the average shares per block is <difficulty>
 688 2011-10-13 16:29:08 <cosurgi> ok
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 690 2011-10-13 16:29:43 <sipa> depends on the difficulty of the shares :)
 691 2011-10-13 16:30:09 <sipa> you need N shares of difficulty M to solve an (M*N)-difficulty block
 692 2011-10-13 16:30:16 <cosurgi> luke-jr: so if I look at pool stats, take number of shares for a finished round, and divide it by difficulty for that block, I would bet 1.0 on average?
 693 2011-10-13 16:30:43 <cosurgi> s/bet/get/
 694 2011-10-13 16:30:46 <sipa> yes
 695 2011-10-13 16:31:02 <cosurgi> and if I plot a histogram of obtained number, I should get a gaussian bell curve?
 696 2011-10-13 16:31:10 <sipa> no
 697 2011-10-13 16:31:13 <cosurgi> wiith peak at 1?
 698 2011-10-13 16:31:17 <cosurgi> why no?
 699 2011-10-13 16:31:28 <sipa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_distribution
 700 2011-10-13 16:31:32 <sipa> that's what you should get
 701 2011-10-13 16:32:10 <sipa> the first share has the highest chance of being a good one
 702 2011-10-13 16:32:23 <sipa> the second one can only win if the first one didn't
 703 2011-10-13 16:32:24 <sipa> and so on
 704 2011-10-13 16:32:25 <cosurgi> ok
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 706 2011-10-13 16:33:48 * luke-jr notes that in practice, Eligius has almost always been lower than diff on average
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 708 2011-10-13 16:34:29 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, hm? lower diff than what?
 709 2011-10-13 16:34:49 <luke-jr> lower shares/block than difficulty
 710 2011-10-13 16:34:57 <luke-jr> that's what having a positive buffer implies :p
 711 2011-10-13 16:35:38 <UukGoblin> I don't understand :-(
 712 2011-10-13 16:35:56 <UukGoblin> I mean I see that if you have a positive buffer of money that means the pool is "lucky"
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 716 2011-10-13 16:38:22 <luke-jr> :p
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 729 2011-10-13 16:57:11 <cosurgi> did you guys ever try to calculate average number of shares/difficulty for each pool ? Based on pool history?
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 731 2011-10-13 16:58:05 <[Tycho]> Hello.
 732 2011-10-13 16:58:19 <[Tycho]> Is that you who detected strange bias of btcguild ?
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 738 2011-10-13 17:05:01 <cosurgi> [Tycho]: yes.
 739 2011-10-13 17:06:54 <cosurgi> ok, probably you guys can verify my calculations. but you need to download https://www.btcguild.com/all_blocks.php
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 741 2011-10-13 17:07:43 <cosurgi> I used http://btcserv.net/bitcoin/history/  to put difficultied for each block into spreadsheet, then calculated shares/diff, then calculated average from all blocks
 742 2011-10-13 17:07:54 <cosurgi> s/difficultied/difficulties/
 743 2011-10-13 17:08:18 <cosurgi> from 3500 blocks in btcguild history I get 1.04, which can mean that they take 4% fee.
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 745 2011-10-13 17:09:07 <cosurgi> or that their servers have 4% downtime and miss 4% of solving shares.
 746 2011-10-13 17:10:14 <cosurgi> in comparison on other pool, I used slush pool for that - I get 1.005, which is much less.
 747 2011-10-13 17:10:33 <cosurgi> luke-jr: what was your average? You said it was below 1.0 ?
 748 2011-10-13 17:10:36 <cosurgi> 18:22  * luke-jr notes that in practice, Eligius has almost always been lower than diff on average
 749 2011-10-13 17:12:19 <luke-jr> cosurgi: feel free to calculate it exactly for me
 750 2011-10-13 17:12:45 <cosurgi> good point :) where's your history?
 751 2011-10-13 17:13:55 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I need number_of_shares & difficulty for each your block
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 753 2011-10-13 17:14:04 <molecular> does "getnewaddress" always generate a new address or deliver one from the pool?
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 755 2011-10-13 17:14:34 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I can't find it on http://eligius.st/~artefact2/
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 757 2011-10-13 17:16:48 <cosurgi> ah, this http://eligius.st/~artefact2/blocks/
 758 2011-10-13 17:17:28 <cosurgi> luke-jr: that's all your blocks?
 759 2011-10-13 17:18:33 <luke-jr> cosurgi: yes
 760 2011-10-13 17:18:50 <luke-jr> molecular: it always delivers one from the pool
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 764 2011-10-13 17:25:27 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I need difficulty for each block
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 766 2011-10-13 17:25:49 <cosurgi> luke-jr: for btcguild I used block number to find it.
 767 2011-10-13 17:25:55 <cosurgi> luke-jr: you don't have number, you have hash
 768 2011-10-13 17:26:17 <luke-jr> cosurgi: I bet block explorer can tell you :P
 769 2011-10-13 17:26:49 <cosurgi> luke-jr: man... that's lot of searching. don't you have this data somewhere?
 770 2011-10-13 17:26:55 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I need to know when difficulty changes
 771 2011-10-13 17:26:56 <luke-jr> not really, no
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 773 2011-10-13 17:31:19 <cosurgi> luke-jr: maybe you could tell me a block number for each round?
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 776 2011-10-13 17:32:33 <luke-jr> cosurgi: hash is all I got
 777 2011-10-13 17:32:49 <cosurgi> luke-jr: and href isn't working
 778 2011-10-13 17:33:04 <cosurgi> luke-jr: maybe you could at least edit that www and make href point to blockexplorer?
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 780 2011-10-13 17:34:58 <luke-jr> wfm
 781 2011-10-13 17:35:25 <luke-jr> maybe not
 782 2011-10-13 17:35:42 <cosurgi> it doeant work ::)
 783 2011-10-13 17:35:47 <cosurgi> doesnt
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 786 2011-10-13 17:39:08 <[Tycho]> cosurgi, hash is much better than block number
 787 2011-10-13 17:39:35 <cosurgi> [Tycho]: but I need difficulty for that block. To difide: shares/diff
 788 2011-10-13 17:39:42 <cosurgi> *divide
 789 2011-10-13 17:40:08 <[Tycho]> I noticed that some pools are publishing wrong block numbers sometimes.
 790 2011-10-13 17:41:40 <cosurgi> eh, I need to write bash script to download all luke's blocks from blockexplorer, then parse it
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 795 2011-10-13 18:09:55 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
 796 2011-10-13 18:09:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 149144 | Current Difficulty: 1689334.4045971 | Next Difficulty At Block: 149183 | Next Difficulty In: 39 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 44 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1468454.26342550 | Estimated Percent Change: -13.0749803337
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 798 2011-10-13 18:11:49 <cosurgi> luke-jr: ok, I just calculated for you, it is 0.965 !
 799 2011-10-13 18:11:58 <cosurgi> luke-jr: you are lucky by 3.5% !
 800 2011-10-13 18:12:25 <cosurgi> luke-jr: but with only 770 blocks you can have bigger variatioon, because your statistics are less precise.
 801 2011-10-13 18:12:34 <cosurgi> luke-jr: it's in fact too short history
 802 2011-10-13 18:12:54 <cosurgi> [Tycho]: can I have your statistics? :)
 803 2011-10-13 18:13:40 <cosurgi> I will upload this openoffice spreadsheet somewhere, so you can verify that
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 805 2011-10-13 18:15:47 <cosurgi> btcguild has 3500 blocks (1.04) ; slush has 8000 blocks (1.005) ; luke-jr has 776 blocks (0.965)
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 832 2011-10-13 18:46:28 <cosurgi> [Tycho]: did it take 000000000000ed503a58325e8220855205ece3adf8036973f2e1705742104943          70433
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 834 2011-10-13 18:46:43 <cosurgi> [Tycho]: I mean, did it take 70433 shares for 000000000000ed503a58325e8220855205ece3adf8036973f2e1705742104943 ?
 835 2011-10-13 18:46:59 <cosurgi> and 00000000000068262a127bfcd6d4886d661d2ff9c855be9e44f0764cff00b75e          21992
 836 2011-10-13 18:47:03 <cosurgi> ?
 837 2011-10-13 18:47:12 <cosurgi> I'm just checking my data
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 839 2011-10-13 18:47:26 <cosurgi> and for example 0000000000000696f7cd07c492f1824579168ca36417b4ba572345eb8b6da16e          2363372
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 842 2011-10-13 18:49:59 <cosurgi> ehh.. downlloadiing 120000 blocks from blockexplorer takes a lot of time
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 844 2011-10-13 18:50:21 <cosurgi> I mean 11413
 845 2011-10-13 18:50:42 <cosurgi> :) not 120000 but 12000
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 847 2011-10-13 18:54:20 <cosurgi> [Tycho]: I have your data, because I was downloading it with crontab since start of your pool. I just wanted to verify that I make no mistake in parsing that html now.
 848 2011-10-13 18:56:14 <cosurgi> but I was hoping that I will not need to parse it, and get data from you :)
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 853 2011-10-13 19:03:34 <cosurgi> ;;bc,stats
 854 2011-10-13 19:03:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 149153 | Current Difficulty: 1689334.4045971 | Next Difficulty At Block: 149183 | Next Difficulty In: 30 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 57 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1471675.76476635 | Estimated Percent Change: -12.884283848
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 878 2011-10-13 19:33:08 <crazy_imp> arg, sorry
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 968 2011-10-13 22:02:52 <luke-jr> cosurgi: law of large numbers
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 986 2011-10-13 22:18:16 <machine2> remember when i called the absolute top on bitcoin at 32? http://www.street-finance.com/story/bitcoin-the-bit-con-avoid-the-bubble-stay-high-and-dry
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1003 2011-10-13 22:30:13 <Eliel> machine2: you're way too early with that claim.
1004 2011-10-13 22:30:20 <Eliel> even now still.
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1014 2011-10-13 22:44:48 <luke-jr_> what problem was BlueMatt having with builds anyhow?
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1017 2011-10-13 22:48:05 <neofutur> (22:31) <@ BlueMatt> ;;later tell gavinandresen well, nfc whats gonna happen with xcompiling bitcoin-qt at this point...no problem getting qt to xcompile and getting bitcoin-qt to xcompile, but there are some really bizarre compiler/linker/header-redefining-true bugs blocking at this point...these kinds of things being well over my head Im stuck, may have to do aws builds for 0.5
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1019 2011-10-13 22:48:26 <luke-jr_> specifically? :P
1020 2011-10-13 22:48:34 <luke-jr_> looks like it's working fine to me
1021 2011-10-13 22:49:00 <neofutur> (18:46) <@ BlueMatt> any experts on g++ around who can explain why bitcoin git head compiled does this: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/bitcoin-nightly/bitcoin-qt-O2.exe
1022 2011-10-13 22:49:12 <luke-jr_> does what?
1023 2011-10-13 22:50:06 <luke-jr_> lol his doesn't even start?
1024 2011-10-13 22:50:20 <neofutur> I can give you . txt with full logs if needed
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1026 2011-10-13 22:51:21 <neofutur> and offer you a ssh/screen/irssi :p
1027 2011-10-13 22:52:50 <luke-jr_> whatever
1028 2011-10-13 22:52:52 <luke-jr_> works for me
1029 2011-10-13 22:52:53 <luke-jr_> I'm publishin git
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1051 2011-10-13 23:21:35 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1052 2011-10-13 23:21:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 149168 | Current Difficulty: 1689334.4045971 | Next Difficulty At Block: 149183 | Next Difficulty In: 15 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1466372.43575004 | Estimated Percent Change: -13.198213938
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