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310 2011-10-18 09:26:21 <AlexWaters> can anyone point me to the leading FOSS bitcoin payment processing repo? is there one?
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468 2011-10-18 16:09:37 <snimpy> ;;bc,slushpool
469 2011-10-18 16:09:39 <gribble> 1356884000
470 2011-10-18 16:10:00 <snimpy> ;;bc,spotestimate
471 2011-10-18 16:10:01 <gribble> 1213470.27478
472 2011-10-18 16:10:30 <snimpy> ;;bc,diffchange
473 2011-10-18 16:10:31 <gribble> Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | -10.2786976379 % based on data since last change | -17.3495399671 % based on data for last three days
474 2011-10-18 16:11:17 <snimpy> ;;bc,totalbc
475 2011-10-18 16:11:18 <gribble> 7488800.00000000
476 2011-10-18 16:11:41 <snimpy> exit
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481 2011-10-18 16:25:58 <SomeoneWeird> Anyone here good with iptables?
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483 2011-10-18 16:26:21 <BlueMatt> kinda random chan, but shoot
484 2011-10-18 16:27:02 <SomeoneWeird> yeah i've asked everyone else though :(
485 2011-10-18 16:27:27 <SomeoneWeird> Basically im just trying to forward packets to another host.
486 2011-10-18 16:27:31 <SomeoneWeird> on certain ports.
487 2011-10-18 16:27:50 <BlueMatt> -j REDIRECT?
488 2011-10-18 16:27:54 <SomeoneWeird> i've tried googling for the last couple hours and havn't found anything thats worked and it's annoting
489 2011-10-18 16:27:54 <BlueMatt> iirc
490 2011-10-18 16:28:15 <BlueMatt> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-port-redirection-with-iptables/
491 2011-10-18 16:28:17 <SomeoneWeird> yeah but ive like never used iptables before so i dont know the rest of the args lol
492 2011-10-18 16:28:51 <BlueMatt> a. do you have nat table, ie iptables -t nat -L
493 2011-10-18 16:28:54 <SomeoneWeird> thats internal routing
494 2011-10-18 16:28:57 <BlueMatt> do you get an error?
495 2011-10-18 16:29:16 <SomeoneWeird> nope
496 2011-10-18 16:29:26 <SomeoneWeird> it has the last 2 rules i added
497 2011-10-18 16:29:44 <BlueMatt> need more info...
498 2011-10-18 16:30:02 <SomeoneWeird> liiike? sorry >.<
499 2011-10-18 16:30:06 <BlueMatt> where from, where to, what have you tried, whats the result?
500 2011-10-18 16:30:10 <SomeoneWeird> right
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502 2011-10-18 16:30:28 <SomeoneWeird> port 80 just say
503 2011-10-18 16:30:31 <SomeoneWeird> from 192.168.0.22
504 2011-10-18 16:30:35 <SomeoneWeird> to 192.168.0.21
505 2011-10-18 16:30:42 <SomeoneWeird> i've tried the examples from
506 2011-10-18 16:30:44 <SomeoneWeird> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73
507 2011-10-18 16:30:47 <SomeoneWeird> http://debianclusters.org/index.php/NAT_with_IPTables
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509 2011-10-18 16:31:15 <SomeoneWeird> and a couple more, but they all make it timeout
510 2011-10-18 16:31:55 <BlueMatt> have you opened up wireshark/tcpdump to take a look, likely need to MASQUERADE and ip_forward as well?>
511 2011-10-18 16:32:14 <SomeoneWeird> done ip_forward, whats the masquerade?
512 2011-10-18 16:32:17 <BlueMatt> likely passing packets properly, but not getting them back right
513 2011-10-18 16:32:30 <BlueMatt> ie when you pass a packet, 192.168.0.21 passes directly back to src
514 2011-10-18 16:32:39 <BlueMatt> which confuses the src and results in no connection
515 2011-10-18 16:32:43 <SomeoneWeird> ah
516 2011-10-18 16:33:42 <BlueMatt> but you should open up wireshark/tcpdump to be sure
517 2011-10-18 16:33:48 <ThomasV> is a python version of deterministic wallet generation available?
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519 2011-10-18 16:35:11 <gmaxwell> I'd caution against the "deterministic wallet" code thats on the forums.. it uses novel cryptographic functions which are almost certantly insecure.
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521 2011-10-18 16:35:28 <gmaxwell> (not thats thats helpful to you…)
522 2011-10-18 16:35:53 <ThomasV> which code?
523 2011-10-18 16:36:17 <gmaxwell> The ... one with the novel crypto. Of course. ;)
524 2011-10-18 16:36:21 <SomeoneWeird> lol
525 2011-10-18 16:36:39 <gmaxwell> I dunno, it was horrible enough I blotted out the memory.
526 2011-10-18 16:36:50 <ThomasV> was it C, java ?
527 2011-10-18 16:36:56 <ThomasV> C#*
528 2011-10-18 16:37:04 <ThomasV> err, C#
529 2011-10-18 16:37:44 <ThomasV> or javascript ?
530 2011-10-18 16:38:03 <midnightmagic> aaargh one-character ellipses
531 2011-10-18 16:38:25 <ThomasV> the only list I have is thhis one: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/718/what-is-a-deterministic-wallet
532 2011-10-18 16:38:59 <luke-jr> if I'm logging panics/oops to a mtd partition, is it safe to wipe that partition? :P
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536 2011-10-18 16:41:00 <ThomasV> gmaxwell: ^^
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554 2011-10-18 17:18:22 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: miron@google.com * r240 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/ (Block.java Message.java): Fix length and parseLazy handling. Resolves issue 92
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576 2011-10-18 18:09:32 <cosurgi> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48889.0
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578 2011-10-18 18:14:38 <Eliel> cosurgi: as I understood it, BTCGuild has several minipools that run like separate pools (maybe old info?). I was wondering if it would make any sense to see what the results would come up as if you treated those separately.
579 2011-10-18 18:16:25 <cosurgi> But I would need statistics for that
580 2011-10-18 18:16:45 <cosurgi> is there separate stats for sub-pools, somewhere?
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595 2011-10-18 18:33:10 <hippich> hi. could someone explain what "Generation" means here? http://blockexplorer.com/address/14igy7qHESq2uTy7xBZ2hf7aBt2i2m8xic
596 2011-10-18 18:33:23 <sipa> creation of new coins
597 2011-10-18 18:33:35 <sipa> the first transaction in each block is allowed to do so
598 2011-10-18 18:33:51 <hippich> but i thought it can create 50 coins?
599 2011-10-18 18:34:00 <hippich> and in this case i see 0.34198512
600 2011-10-18 18:34:24 <sipa> it is still a normal transaction that can have numerous outputs
601 2011-10-18 18:34:42 <sipa> you see only one output here
602 2011-10-18 18:34:57 <hippich> ah..
603 2011-10-18 18:34:59 <hippich> got it.
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607 2011-10-18 18:36:13 <hippich> i just used to 50 coins being sent to single address.
608 2011-10-18 18:36:15 <hippich> thanx
609 2011-10-18 18:37:21 <sipa> it doesn't even need to be 50
610 2011-10-18 18:37:28 <sipa> it could be more, by collecting fees
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612 2011-10-18 18:38:14 <sipa> and it could be less, as it doesn't need to collect the maximum allowed amount
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646 2011-10-18 19:38:19 <gmaxwell> I wonder if it would be possible to get the bitcoincharts graphs to y origin on zero. The current behavior is a bit deceptive... making it look like bitcoin has lost ALLTHEVALUE whenever we're at a new recent low.
647 2011-10-18 19:39:17 <ThomasV> gmaxwell: bitcoin is dead. I read it on the internet
648 2011-10-18 19:39:59 <makomk> gmaxwell: presumably it was misleading in the opposite direction when Bitcoin's value was increasing.
649 2011-10-18 19:41:09 <gmaxwell> makomk: Indeed. Though "went from nothing to lots" is perhaps less deceptive— since it's actually true if you look back far enough.
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651 2011-10-18 19:41:49 <jeremias> bitcoin is dead, long live bitcoin
652 2011-10-18 19:41:53 <gmaxwell> (I never noticed it before or I would have commented recently. non zero origins is a classic graph fraud technique, and even when its harmless it should be avoided in order to avoid appearing dishonest)
653 2011-10-18 19:41:54 <jeremias> nothing to see here, move along
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656 2011-10-18 19:42:15 <gmaxwell> s/recently//
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659 2011-10-18 19:43:44 <gjs278> but then there is still a space after commented and the period
660 2011-10-18 19:44:30 <gmaxwell> s/gjs278//g
661 2011-10-18 19:44:53 <gjs278> everythng is turning white
662 2011-10-18 19:46:57 <ThomasV> lol
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664 2011-10-18 19:48:54 <sipa> lol
665 2011-10-18 19:51:49 <osmosis> jeremias, amazing how dead bitcoin can get
666 2011-10-18 19:52:15 <DrHaribo> just a minor correction
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669 2011-10-18 19:53:11 <vorlov> hey
670 2011-10-18 19:53:17 <vorlov> does anyone know if i can get a hold of someone from MTGox?
671 2011-10-18 19:53:22 <vorlov> im missing liek 1000 dollars in my account
672 2011-10-18 19:53:38 <grubles> #mtgox
673 2011-10-18 19:53:41 <neofutur> vorlov: https://mtgox.zendesk.com/entries/20248423-transaction-inquiries
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694 2011-10-18 20:34:08 <Eliel> ... this is rather interesting http://www.scribd.com/doc/69305472/rsa-coin
695 2011-10-18 20:34:16 <Eliel> too bad it's pretty low on details.
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698 2011-10-18 20:35:14 <Eliel> but if they manage to make that work as they advertise, it has the potential to replace bitcoin.
699 2011-10-18 20:35:59 <rjk2> how do you knwo that isn't already being done with SHA256 and Bitcoin?
700 2011-10-18 20:36:04 * rjk2 ducks lol
701 2011-10-18 20:36:58 <Eliel> well, until I figure out what kind of an algorithm they're planning to use, exactly, I'll have to remain doubtful :)
702 2011-10-18 20:37:02 <ThomasV> it's extremely short
703 2011-10-18 20:37:26 <Eliel> but if that's something more than just hot air, it has definite potential
704 2011-10-18 20:37:37 <sipa> who?
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706 2011-10-18 20:39:12 <ThomasV> honestly, it looks like hot air
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709 2011-10-18 20:43:04 <gmaxwell> ugh. the most efficient factoring is way way better than brute force— but also isn't quite embarassingly parallel.
710 2011-10-18 20:43:07 <Eliel> also, the use of prefix-hash-tree looks suspect...
711 2011-10-18 20:44:12 <Eliel> mainly as in, how to achieve double spend resistance through that.
712 2011-10-18 20:45:12 <ThomasV> oh it means that you can only spend your coins at addresses that are on the same branch of the tree :-)
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717 2011-10-18 20:54:12 <helo> what kinds of problems are there that wouldn't benefit greatly from a GPU or ASIC/FPIC implementation?
718 2011-10-18 20:55:01 <copumpkin> typechecking on nontrivial type systems :)
719 2011-10-18 20:55:10 <Eliel> :D
720 2011-10-18 20:55:17 <nathan7> helo: problems solved by shitty algorithms
721 2011-10-18 20:55:42 <copumpkin> I wouldn't say that
722 2011-10-18 20:55:57 <copumpkin> I'd say problems that don't have easily extractable substructure :P
723 2011-10-18 20:56:07 <copumpkin> stuff where a lot of stuff depends on a lot of other stuff
724 2011-10-18 20:56:16 <copumpkin> if you know the stuff I'm talking about
725 2011-10-18 20:56:20 <copumpkin> (can you tell I like stuff?)
726 2011-10-18 20:56:31 <helo> heh
727 2011-10-18 20:57:32 <tcatm> it looks like aptitude has trouble resolving dependencies on my system so that could be an option, too ;)
728 2011-10-18 20:57:55 <copumpkin> yeah, take SAT solving :P
729 2011-10-18 20:58:02 <copumpkin> or more interestingly, SMT
730 2011-10-18 20:58:43 <copumpkin> well, you could do naive SAT solving massively in parallel, but it'd probably still lose out to a smart SAT solver on common problems
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739 2011-10-18 21:09:46 <Ken`> 8)
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748 2011-10-18 21:24:59 <whiteman> Is there a gist somewhere for a working 0.4.0 or 0.5.0 gitian? All I'm finding is the 0.3.x versions.
749 2011-10-18 21:26:59 <whiteman> Right now https://gitian.org/ has a link to https://gist.github.com/806265, which appears to be the most recent update, dated May 27, 2011.
750 2011-10-18 21:27:33 <BlueMatt> whiteman: that shoule work if you update the commit and maybe the versions of input libs
751 2011-10-18 21:27:43 <BlueMatt> whiteman: take a look at the contrib dir in the bitcoin src
752 2011-10-18 21:27:51 <BlueMatt> specifically contrib/gitian-descriptors
753 2011-10-18 21:28:02 <whiteman> Ok
754 2011-10-18 21:29:34 <devrandom> whiteman: you will also need a 64 bit machine with VT instruction support to run kvm
755 2011-10-18 21:30:09 <BlueMatt> (and ubuntu)
756 2011-10-18 21:30:31 <devrandom> debian might work too
757 2011-10-18 21:31:16 <whiteman> I'm trying to run the 806265 gist on a Ubuntu Server 11.10 64-bit virtual machine. Looks like it's running, although it's slow as piss right now.
758 2011-10-18 21:31:51 <BlueMatt> yea, if you are running without vt support it takes hours and hours to build
759 2011-10-18 21:31:57 <BlueMatt> (ie in a vm)
760 2011-10-18 21:32:03 <BlueMatt> you should run it on a physical box
761 2011-10-18 21:33:23 <whiteman> Don't have a dedicated physical at the moment.
762 2011-10-18 21:33:41 <BlueMatt> well it should run, but dont expect it to finish within the next day...
763 2011-10-18 21:33:56 <lianj> vms without vt should be called ems :D
764 2011-10-18 21:34:55 <whiteman> It's getting there...
765 2011-10-18 21:34:57 <BlueMatt> anything except qemu vms without vt work fine
766 2011-10-18 21:35:02 <BlueMatt> qemu...not so much
767 2011-10-18 21:35:13 <BlueMatt> but eg vmware, virtualbox, etc work fine without vt-x/amd-v
768 2011-10-18 21:35:25 <lianj> work fine as in run fast enough?
769 2011-10-18 21:35:27 <whiteman> 'bin/make-base-vm --arch i386' took about 20 minutes or so, but it finished
770 2011-10-18 21:35:30 <BlueMatt> yea, run quite fast
771 2011-10-18 21:35:39 <BlueMatt> whiteman: oh just wait till you do the actual building...
772 2011-10-18 21:35:55 <BlueMatt> lianj: qemu just does software virtualization wrong
773 2011-10-18 21:36:30 * helo does its qemu-arm compilation before going home for the weekend
774 2011-10-18 21:37:06 <BlueMatt> sounds like a good idea...
775 2011-10-18 21:37:14 <lianj> helo: heh, i used to do that too. now i got enough arm hardware
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781 2011-10-18 21:43:35 <helo> i was recently able to set up a competent debian pdebuild chroot that has replaced the qemu-arm nonsense :)
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785 2011-10-18 21:44:50 <whiteman> What the hell... this thing is goes slow as shit and it's only using 1% of my CPU.
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789 2011-10-18 21:45:26 <helo> check atop?
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791 2011-10-18 21:47:55 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: in bitcointools you copied some bits from python-ecdsa ; why didn't you import it? did you try to reduce dependencies, or is there another reason for not importing it?
792 2011-10-18 21:48:11 <gavinandresen> I did?  what bits?
793 2011-10-18 21:48:29 <ThomasV> the curves and generators
794 2011-10-18 21:48:39 <gavinandresen> Not me... you must be looking at another fork
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796 2011-10-18 21:48:58 <ThomasV> oh right that's joric's version
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816 2011-10-18 22:15:20 <ThomasV> I really need to learn how github works
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830 2011-10-18 22:34:19 <whiteman> I'm getting a file not found for the wx and miniupnp zips. They are in the gitian-builder/input directory. Has the path changed to something new?
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832 2011-10-18 22:36:33 <whiteman> I think I've almost got this crap working.
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836 2011-10-18 22:39:20 <whiteman> Oh wtf
837 2011-10-18 22:39:33 <whiteman> it wants zip and I got tar.gz
838 2011-10-18 22:39:37 <whiteman> That'll do it
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850 2011-10-18 22:54:05 <qscgy> hi everyone
851 2011-10-18 22:54:12 <qscgy> how is BOOST_FOREACH implemented
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858 2011-10-18 23:03:35 <whiteman> I've had enough for the day. This thing is driving me fucking crazy.
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860 2011-10-18 23:04:17 <sipa> whiteman: use the github head
861 2011-10-18 23:04:30 <sipa> if you're compiling from source anyway
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868 2011-10-18 23:13:15 <whiteman> sipa: I was trying to.
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870 2011-10-18 23:13:28 <sipa> then you shouldn't bother with wx
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875 2011-10-18 23:15:46 <whiteman> I'm not an expert with Git yet. When you say the github head, you're talking about Refs/heads/master, right?
876 2011-10-18 23:17:40 <whiteman> I've been digging for gitian instructions for hours. contrib/gitian-descriptors/*.yaml still has lots of refs to wx.
877 2011-10-18 23:18:10 <Diablo-D3> yes, when someone says HEAD they mean HEAD
878 2011-10-18 23:19:22 <whiteman> contrip/gitian-downloader/linux-download-config doesn't appear to work anymore
879 2011-10-18 23:19:49 <sipa> do you really want the gitian build, or just compile the source code?
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881 2011-10-18 23:21:26 <whiteman> I thought gitian was supposed to be the way to do it.
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883 2011-10-18 23:23:02 <sipa> no, no
884 2011-10-18 23:23:13 <sipa> gitian is for when you want to recreate the official binaries
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886 2011-10-18 23:23:16 <sipa> byte-for-byte
887 2011-10-18 23:23:20 <sipa> so they can be verified
888 2011-10-18 23:24:09 <sipa> if you want to build bitcoin-qt from source under linux: git clone git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin; cd bitcoin; qmake; make; ./bitcoin-qt
889 2011-10-18 23:24:25 <sipa> (or read the build instructions)
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891 2011-10-18 23:28:50 <whiteman> That certainly seems a lot more simple.
892 2011-10-18 23:28:52 <whiteman> Why wouldn't I want to recreate the official binaries though? Why not just use that as the base build method so everyone is on the same page?
893 2011-10-18 23:29:02 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
894 2011-10-18 23:29:03 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.9,"low":2.31,"avg":2.627975437,"vwap":2.620255331,"vol":88088,"last_all":2.44,"last_local":2.44,"last":2.44,"buy":2.42,"sell":2.44}}
895 2011-10-18 23:29:09 <Diablo-D3> wow its really dropping
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898 2011-10-18 23:43:08 <BlueMatt> whiteman: because atm the builds for bitcoin-qt arent deterministic so you wont get anything identical to others anyway
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901 2011-10-18 23:53:28 <sipa> whiteman: gitian uses a virtual machine, built from scratch, with all dependencies recompiled inside
902 2011-10-18 23:53:34 <sipa> that takes a very long time
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907 2011-10-18 23:55:09 <whiteman> I'm just trying the normal make now
908 2011-10-18 23:55:25 <whiteman> Anyone know what Ubuntu package contains openssl/buffer.h?
909 2011-10-18 23:55:42 <phantomcircuit> openssl-dev
910 2011-10-18 23:55:43 <sipa> libssl-dev
911 2011-10-18 23:55:47 <phantomcircuit> damn
912 2011-10-18 23:55:50 <phantomcircuit> swing and a miss
913 2011-10-18 23:56:46 <whiteman> ah, libssl-dev
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915 2011-10-18 23:57:07 <whiteman> phantomcircuit: yeah I was searching for openssl-dev also
916 2011-10-18 23:57:54 <sipa> don't the build instructions say which dependencies to install in ubuntu?
917 2011-10-18 23:58:40 <whiteman> It says libssl, but the missing file was openssl.
918 2011-10-18 23:59:02 <whiteman> What I'm trying to do is put together a base set of commands to build bitcoin from a fresh Ubuntu 11.10 install.
919 2011-10-18 23:59:34 <whiteman> Just copy, paste, and it's built
920 2011-10-18 23:59:57 <lianj> heh, it removes ubuntu and installs archlinux first