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  27 2011-10-21 00:47:24 <beppu> Where in the code can I find the function(s) that control the bitcoin production rate?
  28 2011-10-21 00:48:17 <jgarzik> beppu: that's a carefully guarded secret.  because once you find it, you can change it, giving yourself bitcoins.
  29 2011-10-21 00:48:30 <lianj> haha
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  31 2011-10-21 00:49:38 <beppu> jgarzik: I wasn't going to do that.  Someone asked me what controlled the bitcoin production rate, so I wanted to be able to answer him.
  32 2011-10-21 00:50:59 <Ukto> lol
  33 2011-10-21 00:51:28 <neofutur> beppu: http://bitcoin-trader.blogspot.com/2011/10/three-stages-of-bitcoin.html have some clues
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  37 2011-10-21 00:52:13 <neofutur> ( a very good btc blog I recommend )
  38 2011-10-21 00:52:57 <neofutur> I also like http://bitcoin-trader.blogspot.com/2011/09/legitimization-and-inevitability-of_10.html
  39 2011-10-21 00:53:36 <beppu> neofutur: thanks
  40 2011-10-21 00:55:40 <neofutur> you could also be interested in https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_Currency_Supply
  41 2011-10-21 00:56:25 <neofutur> also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Total_bitcoins_over_time.png
  42 2011-10-21 00:56:43 <neofutur> google "bitcoin creation rate over time" gave me many results
  43 2011-10-21 00:57:27 <lianj> he somewhat asked for code and functions
  44 2011-10-21 00:58:16 <neofutur> I just gave clues, i dont have the code answer ;)
  45 2011-10-21 00:59:47 <neofutur> The rate of block creation is approximately constant over time: 6 per hour. The number of Bitcoins generated per block is set to decrease geometrically, with a 50% reduction every 4 years. The result is that the number of Bitcoins in existence will never exceed 21 million
  46 2011-10-21 00:59:52 <neofutur> good clue on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_Currency_Supply
  47 2011-10-21 01:00:16 <neofutur> actually
  48 2011-10-21 01:01:10 <neofutur> beppu: see also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3366.msg47522#msg47522
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  76 2011-10-21 01:50:20 <gmaxwell> Davincij15: you.
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  90 2011-10-21 02:26:14 <Kiba> hello
  91 2011-10-21 02:26:21 <Kiba> anybody know of a good payment processor for bitcoin?
  92 2011-10-21 02:27:21 <[Tycho]> Have you tried mtgox ?
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  94 2011-10-21 02:32:37 <MimeNarrator> or the bitcoin network itself haha
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 135 2011-10-21 04:25:58 <neofutur> are there any patchs for bitcoind allowing to use the greenaddress feature ?
 136 2011-10-21 04:26:13 <neofutur> or plans to include it in the mainstream official client ?
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 138 2011-10-21 04:28:08 <gmaxwell> Since you'd presumably like it to be a widely adopted convention, you should consider writing a BIP describing how it should work.
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 140 2011-10-21 04:29:00 <gmaxwell> But I don't see why you're asking about plans— ISTM the vendors offering it should propose patches, and leave the community developers to work on things which don't have obvious advocates available. :)
 141 2011-10-21 04:31:59 <neofutur> agreed
 142 2011-10-21 04:32:40 <neofutur> but still its a good idea to help developping bitcoin economy, POS . . .
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 144 2011-10-21 04:32:54 <neofutur> imho
 145 2011-10-21 04:33:02 <gmaxwell> It would be nice if the greenaddress hack didn't _double_ the load on the blockchain of these txn.
 146 2011-10-21 04:33:47 <gmaxwell> maybe of the bank could delay them for a few seconds in order to batch them into sendmanys or something?
 147 2011-10-21 04:33:53 <neofutur> iirc there have been proposals on the bitcointalk forum to have the 2 transactions in the same block
 148 2011-10-21 04:33:57 <gmaxwell> The doubling is just a litt said and painful.
 149 2011-10-21 04:34:42 <gmaxwell> neofutur: having them in the same block is a little bit of a challenge unless you're paying fees or partnering with miners since the second transaction will have a priority of zero.
 150 2011-10-21 04:34:55 <neofutur> any better idea to get instant transactions with bitcoin ?
 151 2011-10-21 04:35:04 <gmaxwell> There are a great many ideas.
 152 2011-10-21 04:35:06 <neofutur> the customer in a supermarket cant wait for confirmations
 153 2011-10-21 04:35:42 <neofutur> partnering with miners, like https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Free_transaction_relay_policy ?
 154 2011-10-21 04:35:45 <gmaxwell> And if you're willing to trust the bank (which this greenaddress thing requires) then you could just do the transfer entirely within the bank and keep it off the blockchain entirely.
 155 2011-10-21 04:37:25 <gmaxwell> I summerized seven (well really six) pos techniques here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28565.5;wap2  but that was afew months ago. I could add four more now.
 156 2011-10-21 04:38:06 <neofutur> " keep it off the blockchain entirely" sound like "bitcoin cant" to me
 157 2011-10-21 04:38:13 <gmaxwell> Greenaddress is a variation of (4) that doesn't require the split signatures but allows the bank to rob you blind.
 158 2011-10-21 04:38:26 <neofutur> and imho its not just banks, but transfers between any btc business
 159 2011-10-21 04:38:32 <gmaxwell> neofutur: so the usd can't be spent across the internet?
 160 2011-10-21 04:38:39 <neofutur> me selling services, bitparking or mtgox, wallets . . .
 161 2011-10-21 04:38:58 <neofutur> any btc business, not just "banks"
 162 2011-10-21 04:39:00 <gmaxwell> neofutur: there is absolutely no need for you to settle that with blockchain spam in realtime.
 163 2011-10-21 04:39:15 <gmaxwell> since you're willing to trust anyways, as you'll take zero confirmations...
 164 2011-10-21 04:39:35 <gmaxwell> send some message out of band.. and then every 30 minutes do one trueup transaction to settle your balances.
 165 2011-10-21 04:39:36 <neofutur> I ll trust some greenaddresses , not all in block
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 167 2011-10-21 04:40:16 <neofutur> "send some message out of band" sound  like "bitcoin cant" to me
 168 2011-10-21 04:40:25 <gmaxwell> Right, you make a list of parties you trust, then exchange signed messages just via IP to promise to pay.  Then every once in a while (e.g. every half hour or every hour) true up with a single transaction.
 169 2011-10-21 04:40:29 <gmaxwell> fuck you.
 170 2011-10-21 04:40:39 <gmaxwell> I mean seriously.
 171 2011-10-21 04:40:41 <neofutur> and it would be easy for anyone if its integrated in bitcoin
 172 2011-10-21 04:40:49 <gmaxwell> Then integrate it!
 173 2011-10-21 04:41:00 <gmaxwell> The account feature already gives you a UI for it basically.
 174 2011-10-21 04:41:02 <neofutur> most small businesses wont be able to develop "out of band messages system"
 175 2011-10-21 04:41:31 <gmaxwell> Who says they have to develop it? Write it as a feature of a bitcoin client that uses the account system.
 176 2011-10-21 04:41:48 <neofutur> thats why i ask here, I think someone should provide this kind of patch
 177 2011-10-21 04:41:57 <neofutur> and if its nbot me i ll try to find someone :p
 178 2011-10-21 04:42:48 <neofutur> sorry, i can do small hacks on php code, but wouldnt even try to patch bitcoin myself
 179 2011-10-21 04:42:49 <gmaxwell> K. Well it's something people should discuss because it has a broad social and technical impact.
 180 2011-10-21 04:43:05 <gmaxwell> Pfft. Bitcoin's pretty easy to hack on.
 181 2011-10-21 04:43:06 <gmaxwell> :)
 182 2011-10-21 04:45:06 <gmaxwell> We recently added a feature called signmessage that allows you to sign random text with any address you have the private key for.
 183 2011-10-21 04:45:18 <gmaxwell> This could be used as the basis of an IOU system integerated with accounts.
 184 2011-10-21 04:45:47 <gmaxwell> And the IOUs could be automatically trued up every once in a while in order to reduce transaction volume.
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 186 2011-10-21 04:46:20 <gmaxwell> I think thats an area worth exploring but I don't know if anyone cares about this at the moment.
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 188 2011-10-21 04:46:33 <gmaxwell> Because there is a focus on basic usability/security right now.
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 191 2011-10-21 04:57:20 <neofutur> instant transactions could be a part of real world "usability" . . .
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 195 2011-10-21 05:03:06 <gmaxwell> neofutur: Sure, but they are just one issue— and the thing you want it to support is a "bitcoin cant"  .. it requires centeralized trusted parties to make it work. My customers have to deposit their funds and trust mtgox (for example). Then I have to trust mtgox too.  I think a higher priority is given to more bitcoinish systems like using a second signature so less trust is required.
 196 2011-10-21 05:03:25 <neofutur> and not the most urgent for sure ;) true
 197 2011-10-21 05:03:57 <gmaxwell> but important I agree.
 198 2011-10-21 05:04:15 <neofutur> as a small independent worker selling services, I could get other btc businesses to trust my own green address
 199 2011-10-21 05:04:35 <neofutur> as an individual i could get my local supermarket to trust my own individual green address
 200 2011-10-21 05:04:45 <neofutur> once they know who I am, where live . . .
 201 2011-10-21 05:05:11 <neofutur> imho greenaddress is not something just for big banks , but for any btc business
 202 2011-10-21 05:05:23 <neofutur> and possible also for individual customers
 203 2011-10-21 05:06:25 <gmaxwell> It's technically a poor solution due to the aformented double txn data / computation and bad interaction with the anti-DOS priority rules.
 204 2011-10-21 05:06:27 <neofutur> negociating trust with their providers
 205 2011-10-21 05:06:53 <gmaxwell> It would be better to use signmessage to create detached signatures for transactions that don't have to go in the global record.
 206 2011-10-21 05:07:10 <gmaxwell> (or SIPA's transaction protocol, which I think could provide identifying signatures too)
 207 2011-10-21 05:07:17 <gmaxwell> Also better for privacy.
 208 2011-10-21 05:07:34 <gmaxwell> Otherwise everyone in the world can track the identitfy of all your txn via your greenaddress
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 210 2011-10-21 05:07:59 <gmaxwell> https://gist.github.com/1237788
 211 2011-10-21 05:09:23 <gmaxwell> (see the X-Bitcoin-Signature:  part)
 212 2011-10-21 05:09:46 <gmaxwell> So you'd sign your payment with your 'green address' but the green address would actually appear nowhere on the transaction data sent to the public bitcoin network.
 213 2011-10-21 05:10:12 <gmaxwell> so no blockchain bloat from double txn, no privacy loss from making the identity of the transaction more public.
 214 2011-10-21 05:12:25 <nanotube> ah, interesting
 215 2011-10-21 05:13:20 <gmaxwell> (no txn fee annoyance due to bumping into the anti-DOS priorty rules with back-to-back transactions... its really superior technically, it just has the disadvantage of needing more non-existing software :))
 216 2011-10-21 05:14:06 <nanotube> heh well, it's a big jump from zero to some, but not so big from some to some more.
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 218 2011-10-21 05:15:31 <neofutur> at the customer level, this would be as simple as greenaddress
 219 2011-10-21 05:15:46 <neofutur> KISS rulez . . .
 220 2011-10-21 05:16:07 <neofutur> hu was a question, would this be as simple ?
 221 2011-10-21 05:16:25 <gmaxwell> I don't think it would be any different for the customer. You'd drop a url that you want to pay... and pick an identity (if you have more than one).
 222 2011-10-21 05:18:30 <gmaxwell> nanotube: both need software, but the software for green addresses on the reciever side can be pretty stupid simple. in the IsConfirmed stuff ... If input signed by mtgoxpubkey return true;  or whatever. Of course that kind of simple implementation leaves a lot of issues.
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 224 2011-10-21 05:19:21 <gmaxwell> A more complete implementation where you can manage lots of trust.. where normal users can generate transactions on their own without depositing their coin in mtgox.. etc... start needing more software and the gap between payment protocol and greenaddress close.
 225 2011-10-21 05:20:12 <nanotube> well, the privacy preserving aspects of sipa's proposal, and lack of chainspam, more than make up for the bit of added complexity, imo
 226 2011-10-21 05:21:13 <gmaxwell> nanotube: greenaddress is already being used and promoted by instanwallet and mtgox.
 227 2011-10-21 05:21:26 <gmaxwell> network effect trumps technical merit.
 228 2011-10-21 05:22:39 <nanotube> well, the same greenaddresses can be used for the sipa prop too
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 230 2011-10-21 05:23:01 <nanotube> i suggest you turn mtux's ear one day and talk to him about it
 231 2011-10-21 05:23:05 <gmaxwell> indeed. just use them for the authenticator.
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 233 2011-10-21 05:23:46 <gmaxwell> MagicalTux: see X-Bitcoin-Signature: in https://gist.github.com/1237788    this is superior to green adddresses, at least for a longer term solution for the reasons discussed in the chatlog above.
 234 2011-10-21 05:24:13 <nanotube> heh, now let's hope he notices :)
 235 2011-10-21 05:24:48 <MagicalTux> gmaxwell: problem is how do you pass the signature to recepient ?
 236 2011-10-21 05:25:18 <MagicalTux> having the user do it will probably not be instant
 237 2011-10-21 05:27:11 <gmaxwell> MagicalTux: don't have the user do it. E.g. if you're doing a payment to Bob via Mtgox and mtgox is greenaddressing it.. the user gives mtgox bob's payment URL and mtgox signs and passes the signature.
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 239 2011-10-21 05:27:19 <gmaxwell> (via the url)
 240 2011-10-21 05:27:41 <MagicalTux> gmaxwell: that needs people need payment urls and no longer bitcoin addresses
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 242 2011-10-21 05:27:51 <MagicalTux> ie. we lose the anonymous part
 243 2011-10-21 05:27:55 <[Tycho]> What is that X-Bitcoin-Signature &
 244 2011-10-21 05:27:56 <[Tycho]> ?
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 247 2011-10-21 05:29:06 <gmaxwell> MagicalTux: greenaddresses on the blockchain are highly distructive of anonymity. Perhaps not in the single usecase where mtgox is the only greenaddress party but neofutur was telling me above about people having their own greenaddresses that people trusted.
 248 2011-10-21 05:29:35 <gmaxwell> MagicalTux: but fair point, we could make it possible to carry payment protocol messages via p2p .. I gues. hm. kinda ugly.
 249 2011-10-21 05:30:07 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/524
 250 2011-10-21 05:30:28 <gmaxwell> (it's in git mainline now in will be in 0.5)
 251 2011-10-21 05:31:35 <neofutur> gmaxwell: i wont use greenaddress when i need anonimity, but if my local supermarket accept bitcoins i d be happy to give them my anonimity
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 253 2011-10-21 05:32:00 <neofutur> to earn their trust
 254 2011-10-21 05:32:03 <gmaxwell> neofutur: I don't think you understood the issue.
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 256 2011-10-21 05:32:17 <gmaxwell> neofutur: It's not the supermarket I'm worried about...
 257 2011-10-21 05:32:31 <gmaxwell> It's that with green address you end up with a persistent identity that the whole world can track.
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 259 2011-10-21 05:32:45 <neofutur> true
 260 2011-10-21 05:33:12 <gmaxwell> Where as if you use the payment protocol and only use your greenaddress in the X-Bitcoin-Signature: then only the supermarket learns your identity.
 261 2011-10-21 05:33:25 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell, is there any description not on github ? Github is a very bad site and doesn't works without JS.
 262 2011-10-21 05:33:46 <gmaxwell> But MagicalTux points out that a payment url loses anonymity if you have a third party providing the green signature.
 263 2011-10-21 05:34:09 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: sorry about that, I agree.
 264 2011-10-21 05:34:11 <gmaxwell> Adds two RPC commands:
 265 2011-10-21 05:34:11 <gmaxwell> * signmessage [address] [message]: create a base64-encoded signature string
 266 2011-10-21 05:34:11 <gmaxwell> * verifymessage [address] [signature] [message]: verify whether a signature string is valid
 267 2011-10-21 05:34:14 <gmaxwell> The signature string contains both the ECDSA pubkey and signature, to allow address-based verification.
 268 2011-10-21 05:34:17 <gmaxwell> Verifymessage simply returns true or false.
 269 2011-10-21 05:34:28 <MagicalTux> other issue
 270 2011-10-21 05:34:36 <MagicalTux> we can't use signmessage without touching some patents
 271 2011-10-21 05:34:48 <MagicalTux> because of the current implementation
 272 2011-10-21 05:34:49 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: basically you can take whatever text you want, sign it with a bitcoin private key.. and anyone else can validate it. And it creates no risk of forged transactions or anything sneaky like that.
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 274 2011-10-21 05:35:33 <gmaxwell> That isn't true, if you have an attorney that has looked at this I can connect them someone who has done a claims chart analysis on this.
 275 2011-10-21 05:35:34 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell, I like those commands.
 276 2011-10-21 05:35:45 <[Tycho]> And where is that "X-" part used ?
 277 2011-10-21 05:35:51 <neofutur> gmaxwell: for this anonimity problem, what if you use an online wallet, using same greenaddress for many customers ?
 278 2011-10-21 05:36:55 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: sipa has a proposed protocol for using http to negoiate transactions via users and merchants. It can use these signatures to prove the identity of a customer (without making it part of a transaction)
 279 2011-10-21 05:37:30 <gmaxwell> neofutur: Yes, it's not a privacy problem in that case— or not as major of one at least— it identifies the txn as going through that bank.
 280 2011-10-21 05:37:54 <gmaxwell> (which you could probably tell in other ways)
 281 2011-10-21 05:38:31 <[Tycho]> Nice idea. The only bad thing is that it requires a merchant to trust his customer :(
 282 2011-10-21 05:38:53 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: It's an option, useful for when the trust exists.
 283 2011-10-21 05:39:19 <neofutur> Tycale: or the customer s online wallet provider
 284 2011-10-21 05:39:32 <gmaxwell> It doesn't have to be the customer's signature however- it could be a bank or an insuring party that the merchant trusts.. though MagicalTux points out that there are privacy complications there.
 285 2011-10-21 05:39:49 <neofutur> oups s/Tycale/[Tycho]/
 286 2011-10-21 05:39:49 * [Tycho] don't likes online wallet providers
 287 2011-10-21 05:40:09 <[Tycho]> Those like mybitcoin and so on.
 288 2011-10-21 05:40:41 <[Tycho]> Once I even wanted to allow my users to pay anywhere from their pool balances... :)
 289 2011-10-21 05:41:48 <nanotube> history has shown repeatedly that 'most people' prefer convenience over security. so like it or not, online wallets are here to stay
 290 2011-10-21 05:42:02 <gmaxwell> Yea.. what a headache with people attacking you constantly to steal people's balances. :-/
 291 2011-10-21 05:42:07 <[Tycho]> Yes, I totally agree that they do.
 292 2011-10-21 05:42:24 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell, no, that's no the reason.
 293 2011-10-21 05:42:32 <[Tycho]> *t
 294 2011-10-21 05:43:36 <[Tycho]> 1) It will make easier to steal BTCs if someone gets user's password, 2) It will make people to store their funds in the pool which is bad for me.
 295 2011-10-21 05:43:46 <[Tycho]> Mostly it's 2)
 296 2011-10-21 05:44:09 <gmaxwell> MagicalTux: okay, thanks for poking your head in. I'll think and prod some people to think about the challenge of double-blinding these things.
 297 2011-10-21 05:44:38 <MagicalTux> gmaxwell: actually if we could add in the in script an extra signature, it may help
 298 2011-10-21 05:44:39 <[Tycho]> I even changed default autopayment threshold to 0.01 BTC to prevent money from accidental accumulation.
 299 2011-10-21 05:44:53 <neofutur> we just need trusted online wallet providers
 300 2011-10-21 05:45:06 <neofutur> mbc was just an anonymous domainbyproxy scam
 301 2011-10-21 05:45:34 <[Tycho]> Also I had some idea of instant transfer of people's money to MtGox, but can't remember why it's bad.
 302 2011-10-21 05:45:34 <neofutur> I love anonimity but not for someone i ll give my money and trust
 303 2011-10-21 05:46:12 <gmaxwell> MagicalTux: that would work, but thats a minimum of 65 bytes of extra immortal data in the transaction. Much better than two transactions... but a good solution would at least make it instantly droppable by everyone but the recipent.
 304 2011-10-21 05:46:43 <[Tycho]> That would be useful because most miners like to exchange their earnings right away. Well, at least when BTC rate was good :)
 305 2011-10-21 05:47:16 <gmaxwell> neofutur: "trusted online wallet providers" trust is harder the more you have to trust them.
 306 2011-10-21 05:47:22 <MagicalTux> gmaxwell: problem is the receipient may be not online at that time to receive the extra data. For green address purpose (instant transmission) it's fine, but if we ever want to use that for something else it wouldn't work
 307 2011-10-21 05:49:21 <gmaxwell> Okay, something to sleep on. Goodnight.
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 309 2011-10-21 05:52:35 <[Tycho]> MagicalTux, do you want to accept funds instantly from some pool's green address ?
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 311 2011-10-21 05:56:35 <MagicalTux> [Tycho]: which pool?
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 334 2011-10-21 06:43:45 <snimpy> ;;bc,eligius
 335 2011-10-21 06:43:51 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression.  Please remove them.
 336 2011-10-21 06:44:20 <snimpy> ;;bc,eligius
 337 2011-10-21 06:44:25 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression.  Please remove them.
 338 2011-10-21 06:44:26 <gjs278> ;;seen "an error in your mathematical expression when I double checked. I am sorry for making that mistake and I will now kill myself"
 339 2011-10-21 06:44:27 <gribble> I have not seen an error in your mathematical expression when I double checked. I am sorry for making that mistake and I will now kill myself.
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 343 2011-10-21 06:47:22 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression.  Please remove them.
 344 2011-10-21 06:47:43 <snimpy> ;;bc,swepool
 345 2011-10-21 06:47:44 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
 346 2011-10-21 06:48:07 <snimpy> gribble has lost his mind
 347 2011-10-21 06:48:25 <snimpy> ;;bc,diffchange
 348 2011-10-21 06:48:27 <gribble> Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | -11.5626616406 % based on data since last change | -16.349544874 % based on data for last three days
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 350 2011-10-21 06:50:01 <snimpy> ;;bc,gen 1650
 351 2011-10-21 06:50:02 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1650 Khps, given current difficulty of 1468195.4272208 , is 0.00113037869291 BTC per day and 4.70991122048e-05 BTC per hour.
 352 2011-10-21 06:50:28 <snimpy> ;;bc,gen 1650000
 353 2011-10-21 06:50:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1650000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1468195.4272208 , is 1.13037869291 BTC per day and 0.0470991122048 BTC per hour.
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 509 2011-10-21 10:10:27 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r244 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Improve the block locator we send to remote peers as a temporary hack for the lack of exponential thinning. Patch from Jan. Updates issue 84.
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 519 2011-10-21 10:26:52 <Diablo-D3> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/networks/the-worlds-first-bitcoin-conference/0
 520 2011-10-21 10:26:56 <Diablo-D3> heh, worlds first and last
 521 2011-10-21 10:27:05 <upb> lol
 522 2011-10-21 10:27:18 <Diablo-D3> its not really funny, its kind of depressing
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 524 2011-10-21 10:27:45 <upb> is that guy back ?:P
 525 2011-10-21 10:27:47 <upb> the fraudster
 526 2011-10-21 10:28:09 <Diablo-D3> theres always fraudsters somewhere
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 528 2011-10-21 10:28:34 <lfm> a fraudulent conference?
 529 2011-10-21 10:29:19 <nathan7> awesome.
 530 2011-10-21 10:30:19 <Diablo-D3> and theres a video of gavin and Im not watching it
 531 2011-10-21 10:30:39 <Diablo-D3> I think the way I imagine gavin is probably much cooler than who he really is and I dont want to ruin it
 532 2011-10-21 10:31:39 <upb> :D
 533 2011-10-21 10:31:49 <upb> i mean that fraudster who organized that 'WORLD CONFERENCE'
 534 2011-10-21 10:31:51 <upb> whatever his name was
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 536 2011-10-21 10:32:09 <Diablo-D3> oh that dude
 537 2011-10-21 10:32:20 <Diablo-D3> no, hes just a fucking asshole who think the world owes him something
 538 2011-10-21 10:32:22 <Diablo-D3> one of those types
 539 2011-10-21 10:32:35 <Diablo-D3> and no one showed up to it anyhow
 540 2011-10-21 10:34:08 <noagendamarket> no ones going to a pedo conference in pattaya either
 541 2011-10-21 10:34:24 <Diablo-D3> I mean, if you cant get me to go
 542 2011-10-21 10:34:26 <Diablo-D3> why bother having one
 543 2011-10-21 10:35:18 <lfm> lol , also we dont want to see what you really look like, we'd rather keep our illusions
 544 2011-10-21 10:35:25 <Diablo-D3> heh
 545 2011-10-21 10:35:27 <Diablo-D3> seriously though
 546 2011-10-21 10:35:35 <lfm> the red horns and all
 547 2011-10-21 10:35:37 <Diablo-D3> I think without people like me, bitcoin would have been nothing
 548 2011-10-21 10:35:51 <Diablo-D3> its not that I told the most people about bitcoin, its that I told the RIGHT people
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 551 2011-10-21 10:37:59 * Diablo-D3 shouldnt eat before going to bed
 552 2011-10-21 10:39:58 <nathan7> hmm
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 565 2011-10-21 10:55:26 <nathan7> 'sup, UukGoblin?
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 567 2011-10-21 10:56:18 <UukGoblin> rollin'
 568 2011-10-21 10:56:32 <UukGoblin> waiting for the rally to come back
 569 2011-10-21 10:56:53 <UukGoblin> I'm basically getting into a lethargic sleep until the price is at $100 :->
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 571 2011-10-21 10:58:25 <UukGoblin> 'n' u? ;-]
 572 2011-10-21 10:58:40 <nathan7> it's my birthday
 573 2011-10-21 10:58:40 <Diablo-D3> lol
 574 2011-10-21 10:58:50 <UukGoblin> happy birthday!!11oneone
 575 2011-10-21 10:58:56 <Diablo-D3> happy birthday nathan7
 576 2011-10-21 10:58:56 <nathan7> thanks
 577 2011-10-21 10:59:01 * nathan7 be rollin' towards Amsterdam atm
 578 2011-10-21 10:59:05 <nathan7> with caek.
 579 2011-10-21 10:59:07 <nathan7> :D?
 580 2011-10-21 10:59:17 <UukGoblin> oh cool
 581 2011-10-21 10:59:22 <UukGoblin> say hi to the ladies ;-]
 582 2011-10-21 10:59:38 <nathan7> the only lady in this car is my mom
 583 2011-10-21 11:00:00 <UukGoblin> the ladies in amsterdam
 584 2011-10-21 11:00:39 <nathan7> the most direct route from Central Station to the fablab passes by one 'window'
 585 2011-10-21 11:00:46 <nathan7> with old ladies
 586 2011-10-21 11:00:49 <nathan7> HALF NAKED
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 588 2011-10-21 11:00:52 <nathan7> not a pleasant sight
 589 2011-10-21 11:01:05 <UukGoblin> wrong window! :->
 590 2011-10-21 11:01:21 <nathan7> lol
 591 2011-10-21 11:01:40 <nathan7> once upon a day
 592 2011-10-21 11:01:50 <nathan7> I had to get to somewhere in Amsterdam
 593 2011-10-21 11:01:59 <nathan7> and google maps sent me right fucking through the red light district.
 594 2011-10-21 11:02:08 <nathan7> the best part was that it wasn't even the shortest route.
 595 2011-10-21 11:02:53 <nathan7> this was like two or three years ago
 596 2011-10-21 11:03:38 <nathan7> You can imagine the delays caused by the surprise of a 13 year old at his surroundings when walking through the red light district
 597 2011-10-21 11:03:50 <UukGoblin> lol
 598 2011-10-21 11:04:12 <UukGoblin> 13yo? being you, or your son or something? ;-]
 599 2011-10-21 11:04:20 <nathan7> the nathan has just turned 16, sir.
 600 2011-10-21 11:04:28 <UukGoblin> oic :-)
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 602 2011-10-21 11:04:53 <nathan7> I can now legally imbibe intoxicants I don't like anyway
 603 2011-10-21 11:05:00 <nathan7> (ethanol and nicotine)
 604 2011-10-21 11:05:07 <UukGoblin> yeah
 605 2011-10-21 11:05:11 <UukGoblin> 'n' other stuff
 606 2011-10-21 11:05:17 <nathan7> like?
 607 2011-10-21 11:05:18 <UukGoblin> they're all shit
 608 2011-10-21 11:05:19 <Diablo-D3> er in what country?
 609 2011-10-21 11:05:20 <UukGoblin> not worth it
 610 2011-10-21 11:05:24 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: .nl, sir.
 611 2011-10-21 11:05:29 <Diablo-D3> thats 21 and 18 respecti--oh
 612 2011-10-21 11:05:31 <nathan7> the land of hookers and weed.
 613 2011-10-21 11:05:36 <UukGoblin> well in .nl, you can get the THC and stuff
 614 2011-10-21 11:05:38 <Diablo-D3> I dunno, I think when I become president
 615 2011-10-21 11:05:42 <Diablo-D3> Im going to make it all illegal
 616 2011-10-21 11:05:44 <nathan7> UukGoblin: that's 18+, technically.
 617 2011-10-21 11:05:50 <UukGoblin> nathan7, ah.
 618 2011-10-21 11:05:54 <nathan7> Though I could acquire some with ease.
 619 2011-10-21 11:06:04 <lfm> make a new prohhibition?
 620 2011-10-21 11:06:17 <UukGoblin> I like Amsterdam
 621 2011-10-21 11:06:23 * nathan7 too
 622 2011-10-21 11:06:27 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, that's why I ain't voting for you
 623 2011-10-21 11:06:36 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, you'd make java the official national language
 624 2011-10-21 11:06:40 * nathan7 was born in Amsterdam and lived there half of his life
 625 2011-10-21 11:07:01 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: ...
 626 2011-10-21 11:07:10 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: and most people are worried about ENGLISH being the official national language
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 628 2011-10-21 11:08:36 <nathan7> The English language has been raped to death in most places, no?
 629 2011-10-21 11:09:18 <lfm> language without chage is dead
 630 2011-10-21 11:09:31 <UukGoblin> english is fine and well
 631 2011-10-21 11:09:45 * nathan7 is quite annoyed by the abuse of the English language by teenagers
 632 2011-10-21 11:09:48 <UukGoblin> look at how many Dutch people speak it ;-]
 633 2011-10-21 11:09:55 * nathan7 isn't Dutch, sir
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 635 2011-10-21 11:10:03 <UukGoblin> I wasn't implying you were
 636 2011-10-21 11:10:03 * nathan7 sips his cup of Earl Grey
 637 2011-10-21 11:10:09 <nathan7> mkay
 638 2011-10-21 11:10:23 <nathan7> The Dutch speak terrible English though.
 639 2011-10-21 11:10:25 <UukGoblin> isn't it early for Earl Grey?
 640 2011-10-21 11:10:35 <Diablo-D3> never too early
 641 2011-10-21 11:10:41 <nathan7> it's sufficiently earl-y
 642 2011-10-21 11:10:56 <UukGoblin> hm
 643 2011-10-21 11:11:10 <Diablo-D3> ARGH
 644 2011-10-21 11:11:11 <UukGoblin> OK, I see what you're saying. Dutch-English was good enough for me though ;-)
 645 2011-10-21 11:11:47 <nathan7> I speak English with a classmate who is also British
 646 2011-10-21 11:11:50 <UukGoblin> aha! lunch time!
 647 2011-10-21 11:11:51 <nathan7> sometimes people try to mock us
 648 2011-10-21 11:11:53 <nathan7> it's entertaining
 649 2011-10-21 11:12:13 <UukGoblin> heh yeah, british accent is hard to imitate ;-P
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 652 2011-10-21 11:16:16 <nathan7> UukGoblin: I have less of a British accent than I'd like
 653 2011-10-21 11:16:27 <nathan7> I need to steal Tom Hardy's accent
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 664 2011-10-21 11:31:27 <noob> hello
 665 2011-10-21 11:31:40 <noob> I want to make my own bit coin mining software
 666 2011-10-21 11:31:59 <noob> but I'm confused on what hashing work is expected
 667 2011-10-21 11:32:03 <noob> anyone can help?
 668 2011-10-21 11:32:16 <lfm> noob ya
 669 2011-10-21 11:32:26 <noob> I know its SHA256 hashing
 670 2011-10-21 11:32:33 <noob> and that the first 64 bits are hashed?
 671 2011-10-21 11:32:40 <noob> and I get the first half hash
 672 2011-10-21 11:32:41 <noob> right?
 673 2011-10-21 11:33:11 <lfm> you start with 80 bytes. each main "block" of hash is 64 bytes
 674 2011-10-21 11:33:24 <noob> total 80bytes always?
 675 2011-10-21 11:33:41 <lfm> so the second part of the 80 bytes are padded with secial values
 676 2011-10-21 11:33:56 <lfm> ya you start with 80 bytes always for mining
 677 2011-10-21 11:33:59 <noob> ok I saw that I have to change endianess
 678 2011-10-21 11:34:04 <noob> for the second half
 679 2011-10-21 11:34:06 <noob> correct?
 680 2011-10-21 11:34:18 <noob> and append "1"
 681 2011-10-21 11:34:22 <lfm> ya the sha256 spec is big endian based calculations
 682 2011-10-21 11:34:37 <noob> omg this will be hard to do in FPGA's
 683 2011-10-21 11:34:43 <lfm> ya append a 1 bit and a length value
 684 2011-10-21 11:35:19 <lfm> prolly should do the padding on a cpu then just hand the "blocks" to the fpga
 685 2011-10-21 11:35:26 <noob> right
 686 2011-10-21 11:35:33 <noob> I was going to use an arduino for that
 687 2011-10-21 11:35:40 <noob> and stack FPGA's
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 690 2011-10-21 11:36:17 <lfm> the fpgas can prolly do the bytes swaps and stuff pretty easily too
 691 2011-10-21 11:36:27 <noob> yeah it can
 692 2011-10-21 11:36:41 <noob> but those functions take circuits
 693 2011-10-21 11:36:44 <lfm> but some of the mining interface is already done in the bitoicn client too
 694 2011-10-21 11:36:52 <noob> I just want the work part on the FPGA
 695 2011-10-21 11:37:14 <noob> hmmm are the bitcoin clients modular?
 696 2011-10-21 11:37:31 <noob> can I write a parallel port or serial port driver that will address my FPGA's
 697 2011-10-21 11:37:41 <noob> or just send them work?
 698 2011-10-21 11:38:11 <lfm> well to run the mining you need to have an internet connection. the bitcoin client runs on a pc (or mac maybe).
 699 2011-10-21 11:38:32 <noob> yeah... there are embeded modules for internet access
 700 2011-10-21 11:38:43 <noob> I want to make this very very low power
 701 2011-10-21 11:39:27 <noob> Im thinking LAN embbeded module + atmega + many FPGA's
 702 2011-10-21 11:39:30 <lfm> I dont think youd want to run the whole bitcoin client on an ardioino. Not sure, maybe could run a complete miner on an arduiono
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 705 2011-10-21 11:40:13 <noob> yeah I just want to be able to communicate with the servers... that part is not hard I can always watch the communications with a packet sniffer
 706 2011-10-21 11:40:16 <lfm> the interface between the miner and the main bitcoin client is a network interface
 707 2011-10-21 11:40:22 <noob> my problem is more the crypto work
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 709 2011-10-21 11:40:43 <noob> I want to give most of the crypto work to the FPGA's
 710 2011-10-21 11:41:03 <noob> and do all the other stuff like xmit and rrcv from another smaller Processor
 711 2011-10-21 11:41:29 <noob> the crypto work is completely ambigous to me
 712 2011-10-21 11:41:38 <lfm> ya I understand. in fact you only really need to do the second "block" of the mining hash quickly.
 713 2011-10-21 11:41:42 <noob> it reads out as if you guys are trying sequential hashes?
 714 2011-10-21 11:41:55 <noob> yes exactly
 715 2011-10-21 11:42:04 <noob> I just want that on the FPGA the second half
 716 2011-10-21 11:42:18 <noob> the first half is just reference correct?
 717 2011-10-21 11:42:40 <lfm> you only need to figure out the sha256 really for mining, you dont need to do the other crypto stuff. its done on the servers wich actually run what we call the bitcoin client
 718 2011-10-21 11:43:07 <noob> ahhh thats what you meant
 719 2011-10-21 11:43:15 <noob> ok cool I'm getting somewhere here
 720 2011-10-21 11:43:19 <lfm> the first half of the  hash is fixed. the second half has the nonce which varies for each "tyr"
 721 2011-10-21 11:43:23 <lfm> "try"
 722 2011-10-21 11:43:34 <noob> [40bytes]:[40bytes]
 723 2011-10-21 11:43:34 <Diablo-D3> noob: bitcoin miners take every advantage they can
 724 2011-10-21 11:43:48 <lfm> 64 bytes -- 64 bytes
 725 2011-10-21 11:43:56 <noob> ok cool
 726 2011-10-21 11:44:05 <noob> nonce value is incremented correct?
 727 2011-10-21 11:44:11 <lfm> noob ya
 728 2011-10-21 11:44:15 <noob> is there a range? or can I skip
 729 2011-10-21 11:44:24 <noob> like can I use somekind of algo
 730 2011-10-21 11:44:28 <lfm> start at zero go to ffffffff
 731 2011-10-21 11:44:35 <noob> ok
 732 2011-10-21 11:44:47 <noob> how often to change time in second half?
 733 2011-10-21 11:44:53 <noob> it sais every minute or so?
 734 2011-10-21 11:44:57 <noob> what works best?
 735 2011-10-21 11:45:07 <lfm> make it interruptable tho cuz you prolly wont be able to do a full range in time
 736 2011-10-21 11:45:31 <noob> right... well I calculate that a Cyclone III fpga can do about 120Mh
 737 2011-10-21 11:45:32 <lfm> you would change the nonce prolly thousands of times per second
 738 2011-10-21 11:45:39 <Diablo-D3> 120mh? too high
 739 2011-10-21 11:45:48 <noob> no way
 740 2011-10-21 11:45:49 <noob> too low
 741 2011-10-21 11:45:54 <noob> thats with bad code
 742 2011-10-21 11:45:58 <Diablo-D3> theres a few fpga weirdos in here
 743 2011-10-21 11:46:02 <Diablo-D3> seems too high
 744 2011-10-21 11:46:06 <noob> no way brother
 745 2011-10-21 11:46:13 <noob> not on a 25K circuit chip
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 747 2011-10-21 11:46:29 * nathan7 consumes caek
 748 2011-10-21 11:46:37 <Diablo-D3> how much does this chip cost?
 749 2011-10-21 11:46:41 <noob> they are also using serial coms for the chips
 750 2011-10-21 11:46:48 <noob> they cost about $30 bucks
 751 2011-10-21 11:46:55 <Diablo-D3> then no, no way in hell it does 120mh
 752 2011-10-21 11:47:04 <noob> dude... these are not CPU's
 753 2011-10-21 11:47:16 <noob> they don't have op codes to search through
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 755 2011-10-21 11:47:28 <noob> you just create a logic circuit
 756 2011-10-21 11:47:28 <Diablo-D3> yes, Im aware of how fpgas work
 757 2011-10-21 11:47:32 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas  * rc91bf88 / (lib/bitcoin.js package.json): Automatically read version info from package.json. - http://git.io/ZsCkHw
 758 2011-10-21 11:47:32 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan  * rc19f3b3 / (.gitignore .npmignore lib/util.js wscript): Added compatibility with Node.js 0.5.5+ build system. - http://git.io/9TPtAg
 759 2011-10-21 11:47:32 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan  * r86257b4 / package.json : Version bump to 0.1.2. - http://git.io/Y98fKg
 760 2011-10-21 11:47:48 <noob> there's a guy who clocked his with bad code at about 80mh
 761 2011-10-21 11:48:13 <noob> he was able to fit like 3 hashers on the chip
 762 2011-10-21 11:48:46 <noob> lfm suggests I do part of the work on another chip... which I had in mind already
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 764 2011-10-21 11:48:54 <noob> these guys are doing the whole thing on the chip
 765 2011-10-21 11:48:56 <noob> even endianess
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 767 2011-10-21 11:49:06 <noob> im not going to do all that on the chip
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 770 2011-10-21 11:49:31 <noob> im just going to increment nonce and check
 771 2011-10-21 11:49:49 <noob> lfm whats the deal with the difficulty level?
 772 2011-10-21 11:49:54 <noob> how do I cross check for that?
 773 2011-10-21 11:50:22 <Diablo-D3> you dont in the fpga
 774 2011-10-21 11:50:36 <noob> ok?
 775 2011-10-21 11:50:47 <lfm> well the difficulty is the "limit" for the hash result you are trying to find
 776 2011-10-21 11:50:49 <Diablo-D3> look how miners are currently written
 777 2011-10-21 11:50:57 <lfm> find a hash lower than the limit and you win
 778 2011-10-21 11:51:10 <noob> limit? how do I limit 256 bit hashes?
 779 2011-10-21 11:51:12 <Diablo-D3> you'd do the same thing with an fpga babysitter
 780 2011-10-21 11:51:21 <lfm> compare greater than
 781 2011-10-21 11:51:25 <Diablo-D3> noob: look at existing miners, srsly
 782 2011-10-21 11:51:26 <noob> word
 783 2011-10-21 11:51:33 <noob> I have diablo
 784 2011-10-21 11:51:37 <lfm> its a 256 bit compare
 785 2011-10-21 11:51:43 <noob> all the open source ones at least
 786 2011-10-21 11:51:43 <Diablo-D3> well, then you'd know they check every 32 bit chunk
 787 2011-10-21 11:52:20 <noob> yeah I saw that why diablo?
 788 2011-10-21 11:52:24 <Diablo-D3> H must == 0 for diff > 1, and then G for the rest
 789 2011-10-21 11:52:29 <lfm> just doing a 32 bit zero compare is an optimization for current conditions
 790 2011-10-21 11:52:33 <Diablo-D3> why? because sha256 is done in 32 bit chunk
 791 2011-10-21 11:52:36 <noob> why not create a register that can do the whole block?
 792 2011-10-21 11:52:37 <Diablo-D3> *chunks
 793 2011-10-21 11:52:45 <Diablo-D3> because sha256 isnt written that way
 794 2011-10-21 11:53:16 <noob> ok so you divide the block into corresponding pieces
 795 2011-10-21 11:53:19 <lfm> block is 64 bytes. you could do a lot of it in paralell maybe
 796 2011-10-21 11:53:49 <noob> I would write two hashers that would work the whole 64byte in parallel
 797 2011-10-21 11:53:50 <Diablo-D3> lfm: yes you can
 798 2011-10-21 11:53:55 <noob> instead of shifting them in and out
 799 2011-10-21 11:53:57 <Diablo-D3> radeons use instruction level parallelism well
 800 2011-10-21 11:55:01 <noob> yeah but vid cards use way tooo much power
 801 2011-10-21 11:55:10 <noob> and x86 CPU's suck at this type of stuff
 802 2011-10-21 11:55:20 <noob> cause they have to mind all the hardware
 803 2011-10-21 11:55:24 <lfm> Id expect fpga is some differences from gpus
 804 2011-10-21 11:55:46 <noob> gpus are still linear processors no?
 805 2011-10-21 11:56:04 <lfm> noob todays gpus are massivley parallel
 806 2011-10-21 11:56:31 <noob> I've never done work with them at hardware level... so its a big ? to me
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 808 2011-10-21 11:56:49 <noob> I've written kernels in x86
 809 2011-10-21 11:57:05 <noob> I know enough about the architecture to say it sucks at this task
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 811 2011-10-21 11:57:16 <lfm> noob in fact the gpus will prolly be faster than your fpga. fpga can win mainly on power
 812 2011-10-21 11:57:26 <noob> thats all I care for
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 814 2011-10-21 11:57:42 <noob> FPGA's are actually more expensive by Mhs
 815 2011-10-21 11:57:50 <noob> but WAY cheaper on electricity
 816 2011-10-21 11:58:08 <nathan7> the question is, is it cheaper per megahash
 817 2011-10-21 11:58:16 <nathan7> (as opposed to price per megahash/second)
 818 2011-10-21 11:58:28 <lfm> but power is pretty cheap so it might take a long time to make up the difference
 819 2011-10-21 11:58:29 <noob> one FPGA at a modest 100Mhs consumes at most 6 watts
 820 2011-10-21 11:58:47 <noob> not where I'm from... here power is expensive
 821 2011-10-21 11:59:00 <lfm> still takes months
 822 2011-10-21 11:59:15 <noob> oh yeah any route will take time to compensate hardware
 823 2011-10-21 11:59:38 <noob> but I don't have the money to spend 25K on a rig
 824 2011-10-21 11:59:48 <lfm> like did you buy a developer kit for the fpgas?
 825 2011-10-21 12:00:02 <noob> yeah its in the mail
 826 2011-10-21 12:00:11 <lfm> whatd you spend?
 827 2011-10-21 12:00:11 <noob> I got the Cyclone III usb evaluation board
 828 2011-10-21 12:00:19 <noob> $50
 829 2011-10-21 12:00:27 <noob> its just for prototyping
 830 2011-10-21 12:00:56 <lfm> ok, then you figure you can use all open source developer tools?
 831 2011-10-21 12:00:58 <noob> the final chip and power supply circuit and PCB will run me about $50 each
 832 2011-10-21 12:01:34 <noob> no FPGA programming software is not opensource... but its free to download
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 834 2011-10-21 12:02:14 <noob> then you also need to know a bit about electronics
 835 2011-10-21 12:02:26 <noob> and they also come in strange packages that shouldn
 836 2011-10-21 12:02:31 <noob> t be soldered by noobs
 837 2011-10-21 12:02:53 <lfm> but you are noob!
 838 2011-10-21 12:02:59 <noob> :D
 839 2011-10-21 12:03:03 <noob> only here
 840 2011-10-21 12:03:12 <lfm> um ok grin
 841 2011-10-21 12:03:56 <noob> school me on the SHA work stuff and I promise to burn you a few boards once I get up and running
 842 2011-10-21 12:04:04 <noob> I want to get this going by early next year
 843 2011-10-21 12:05:41 <lfm> well I am not really expert on sha256 internals. only what I have seen in open source miners and stuff. they mostly seem to use a bunch of nested macros that do arithmetic operations that I havnt looked at too closly
 844 2011-10-21 12:05:47 <noob> lfm and diablo like this --------> http://hackaday.com/tag/bitcoin/
 845 2011-10-21 12:07:01 <noob> they are using the Spartan 6 chip
 846 2011-10-21 12:07:47 <noob> I don't like that chip
 847 2011-10-21 12:07:52 <noob> lol the price is high
 848 2011-10-21 12:08:18 <noob> the dev board is awesome though... I drooled over it the other day
 849 2011-10-21 12:08:25 <lfm> ya, at $440 per board it would take a while to make it up on eletric bills
 850 2011-10-21 12:08:34 <noob> naw thats his price
 851 2011-10-21 12:08:50 <noob> I'm sure he doesn't pay more that $100 per board
 852 2011-10-21 12:09:06 <noob> + he ordered a custom PCB
 853 2011-10-21 12:09:14 <noob> lol
 854 2011-10-21 12:09:14 <noob> Im not doing all that
 855 2011-10-21 12:09:25 <noob> im going to just use protoboards
 856 2011-10-21 12:10:13 <noob> protoboards are $1
 857 2011-10-21 12:11:20 <noob> so I would spend about 1K per 1Gh
 858 2011-10-21 12:11:49 <noob> so thats about 80 watts for 1Gh
 859 2011-10-21 12:11:49 <lfm> huh?
 860 2011-10-21 12:12:01 <noob> $1000 would get me 1Gh
 861 2011-10-21 12:12:08 <noob> @ 80 watts
 862 2011-10-21 12:12:09 <lfm> 1gh/s?
 863 2011-10-21 12:12:12 <noob> yes
 864 2011-10-21 12:12:21 <noob> 1Gh/s
 865 2011-10-21 12:12:23 <lfm> oh,
 866 2011-10-21 12:12:48 <lfm> whats that 8 or 10 chips?
 867 2011-10-21 12:12:53 <noob> yes
 868 2011-10-21 12:13:03 <noob> they would fit in a cigarette box
 869 2011-10-21 12:13:44 <noob> I wouldn't make my board as big as that other guy
 870 2011-10-21 12:13:51 <noob> I would also use liquid cooling
 871 2011-10-21 12:13:56 <lfm> !
 872 2011-10-21 12:14:07 <noob> I would probably stack them
 873 2011-10-21 12:14:42 <noob> but I'm still trying to see if its profitable
 874 2011-10-21 12:15:27 <noob> hey I have a suggestion for you guys
 875 2011-10-21 12:15:31 <noob> on how to cool your rigs
 876 2011-10-21 12:15:43 <noob> dip them in mineral oil
 877 2011-10-21 12:15:51 <noob> get a big fish tank
 878 2011-10-21 12:15:58 <noob> and dip the whole rig into it
 879 2011-10-21 12:15:58 <lfm> yuk, not into plumbing
 880 2011-10-21 12:16:09 <noob> no plumbing
 881 2011-10-21 12:16:20 <noob> I'm saying DIP the whole thing into the mineral oil
 882 2011-10-21 12:16:36 <lfm> how does it dissipate the heat?
 883 2011-10-21 12:17:10 <noob> better lol
 884 2011-10-21 12:17:12 <lfm> I mean how does the oil get rid of the heat?
 885 2011-10-21 12:17:17 <noob> liquids are way better at carrying heat
 886 2011-10-21 12:17:21 <noob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtufuXLvOok
 887 2011-10-21 12:17:40 <erska> the oil can be pumped through a radiator quite easily
 888 2011-10-21 12:17:47 <lfm> ya I have seen them, I never seen one that runs longer than it takes to run a benchmark
 889 2011-10-21 12:18:00 <lfm> oil pump == plumbing
 890 2011-10-21 12:18:08 <erska> also, a tankful of oil has quite massive heat capacity, it takes a long while for it to heat up
 891 2011-10-21 12:18:10 <noob> erska the surface area will desipitate heat
 892 2011-10-21 12:18:17 <erska> also that
 893 2011-10-21 12:18:19 <noob> you don't need radiators
 894 2011-10-21 12:18:41 <lfm> long time to heat up also means a long time to cool down
 895 2011-10-21 12:18:51 <noob> true
 896 2011-10-21 12:18:54 <UukGoblin> amphipod is still dead
 897 2011-10-21 12:19:01 <noob> but way more efficient than air
 898 2011-10-21 12:19:04 <noob> WAY more
 899 2011-10-21 12:19:07 <erska> there was some brand of gaming computers which are entirely oil-cooled
 900 2011-10-21 12:19:24 <erska> reactor, that's it
 901 2011-10-21 12:19:25 <erska> http://www.hardcorecomputer.com/desktops/rx/index.html
 902 2011-10-21 12:19:26 <lfm> yuk, not for me, thanks anyway
 903 2011-10-21 12:19:31 <noob> mineral oil is also non corrosive
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 905 2011-10-21 12:19:41 <noob> so it would protect your rigs
 906 2011-10-21 12:19:50 <noob> and they can't catch fire in there
 907 2011-10-21 12:19:57 <noob> incase something goes wrong
 908 2011-10-21 12:20:21 <noob> erska those computer are nice :D
 909 2011-10-21 12:20:24 <lfm> if something really goes wrong oil burns
 910 2011-10-21 12:20:50 <noob> naw... it needs to be very hot and oxigen needs to be around
 911 2011-10-21 12:21:01 <lfm> ya, small spill
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 913 2011-10-21 12:21:19 <lfm> woof, big fire
 914 2011-10-21 12:21:29 <noob> lol
 915 2011-10-21 12:21:35 <Ycros> lfm: erm, no
 916 2011-10-21 12:21:36 <noob> naw
 917 2011-10-21 12:21:49 <noob> it needs to be SUPER hot
 918 2011-10-21 12:21:49 <erska> actually, those computers aren't cooled by oil, it's some other non-conductive liquid
 919 2011-10-21 12:22:03 <lfm> mineral oil actually
 920 2011-10-21 12:22:36 <lfm> unless you want to get real exotic with non-flamable coolant. like the old crays
 921 2011-10-21 12:22:45 <erska> it's probably fluorinert or something similar
 922 2011-10-21 12:22:49 <erska> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorinert
 923 2011-10-21 12:23:02 <lfm> ya, thats real expensive then
 924 2011-10-21 12:23:05 <noob> lfm they use mineral oil to cool the transformers on the electric poles
 925 2011-10-21 12:23:21 <noob> they dip the coil into it
 926 2011-10-21 12:23:23 <noob> then seal it
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 928 2011-10-21 12:23:37 <noob> those giant canisters on the pole are full on mineral oil
 929 2011-10-21 12:24:23 <lfm> noob you cant seal a computer like you can a transformer. you are gonna have oil everywhere
 930 2011-10-21 12:24:53 <Ycros> fishtanks are pretty easy...
 931 2011-10-21 12:25:01 <noob> how to private?
 932 2011-10-21 12:25:05 <noob> first time on IRC
 933 2011-10-21 12:25:14 <noob> im such a noob
 934 2011-10-21 12:25:43 <lfm>   /msg noob meaages
 935 2011-10-21 12:25:58 <edcba> just type /join 0,private
 936 2011-10-21 12:26:08 <noob> thanks
 937 2011-10-21 12:26:22 <erska> looks like I was wrong on that latter part, reactors are indeed cooled by oil, and it indeed can catch fire
 938 2011-10-21 12:26:32 <erska> http://hardcorecomputer.custhelp.com/ci/fattach/get/50/1280175521/redirect/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzE5MTk5MTA5L3NpZC9KNmx5eTZIaw==
 939 2011-10-21 12:26:43 <Diablo-D3> EVERYTHING can catch fire
 940 2011-10-21 12:26:45 <Diablo-D3> even water.
 941 2011-10-21 12:26:49 <Diablo-D3> why are you surprised?
 942 2011-10-21 12:27:02 <edcba> can fire catch fire ?
 943 2011-10-21 12:27:04 <noob> dude they use cooking oil lol
 944 2011-10-21 12:27:10 <lfm> well mineral oil catches fire a bit easier than water
 945 2011-10-21 12:27:15 <UukGoblin> water can catch fire? :-O
 946 2011-10-21 12:27:22 <noob> yes water can catch fire
 947 2011-10-21 12:27:23 <Diablo-D3> edcba: you know how sand is usually used as the kill-all for industrial fires?
 948 2011-10-21 12:27:26 <noob> and explode too
 949 2011-10-21 12:27:30 <Diablo-D3> theres shit that can catch sand on fire.
 950 2011-10-21 12:27:36 <UukGoblin> like, liquid water?
 951 2011-10-21 12:27:38 <noob> at a very HIGH HIGH temperature
 952 2011-10-21 12:27:40 <noob> yes
 953 2011-10-21 12:27:48 <UukGoblin> fuck!
 954 2011-10-21 12:27:52 <noob> you have to super heat it
 955 2011-10-21 12:27:57 <lfm> I kinda think h2o is already oxidized but who am I to call the great diablo wrong.
 956 2011-10-21 12:27:58 <noob> faster than it can evaporate
 957 2011-10-21 12:28:01 <UukGoblin> wouldn't it like
 958 2011-10-21 12:28:02 <UukGoblin> ah
 959 2011-10-21 12:28:09 <UukGoblin> that'd take some heating
 960 2011-10-21 12:28:13 <noob> and it will explode or catch fire
 961 2011-10-21 12:28:21 <UukGoblin> cool
 962 2011-10-21 12:28:23 <noob> or if you introduce frequencies to it
 963 2011-10-21 12:28:25 <Diablo-D3> lfm: there are oxidizers that will react with water VIOLENTLY
 964 2011-10-21 12:28:26 <UukGoblin> I've gotta see it to believe it though
 965 2011-10-21 12:28:28 <noob> if its salinated
 966 2011-10-21 12:28:33 <noob> and you introduce high emf
 967 2011-10-21 12:28:36 <noob> it will catch fire
 968 2011-10-21 12:28:50 <Diablo-D3> lfm: I mean, not like dropping sodium in a lake boom
 969 2011-10-21 12:28:57 <Diablo-D3> like, your water is actually on fucking fire
 970 2011-10-21 12:29:15 <Ycros> mineral oil has a flash point of 140degC
 971 2011-10-21 12:29:18 <Diablo-D3> and adding more water only makes it angrier
 972 2011-10-21 12:29:24 <lfm> well we are kinda thinking of stuff in air here
 973 2011-10-21 12:29:59 <noob> thats almost 300F
 974 2011-10-21 12:30:23 <lfm> so an electric spark can do that
 975 2011-10-21 12:30:27 <noob> your CPU would melt and motherboard before it can heat the oil uniformly to that temperature
 976 2011-10-21 12:30:35 <noob> yes it can
 977 2011-10-21 12:30:40 <noob> but its at one point
 978 2011-10-21 12:30:45 <Ycros> it's not considred flammable.
 979 2011-10-21 12:30:55 <noob> if you want all the oil to burn you need to heat it all at that temp
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 982 2011-10-21 12:31:04 <noob> and keep it at that temp
 983 2011-10-21 12:31:06 <lfm> yes, fires can start at one point then they kinda like grow on their own
 984 2011-10-21 12:31:30 <noob> one spark at 2000F wouldn't ignite it
 985 2011-10-21 12:31:43 <noob> cause the rest of the cold oil would put it out
 986 2011-10-21 12:32:06 <lfm> you never heard of an oil lamp? only takes a spark to start it and it will burn all the oil
 987 2011-10-21 12:32:16 <noob> different kind of oil
 988 2011-10-21 12:32:32 <Ycros> *sigh*
 989 2011-10-21 12:32:39 <Ycros> it's not going to catch fire easily
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 991 2011-10-21 12:32:53 <lfm> the flame once started supplies the extra heat to heat up the next bit of oil to burn
 992 2011-10-21 12:32:59 <noob> if it did they wouldn't use it for cooling
 993 2011-10-21 12:33:30 <noob> how come motor oil doesn't catch fire?
 994 2011-10-21 12:33:32 <noob> same concept
 995 2011-10-21 12:33:48 <lfm> well you dont see a home air conditioner using it prolly for safty reasons
 996 2011-10-21 12:33:57 <noob> lol
 997 2011-10-21 12:34:17 <noob> air conditioners use freon or that new stuff
 998 2011-10-21 12:34:23 <noob> its more of a gas
 999 2011-10-21 12:34:26 <lfm> and motor oil does burn quite nastily
1000 2011-10-21 12:34:42 <noob> it can be a liquid if condensed
1001 2011-10-21 12:35:34 <noob> when the cylinder compresses in a vehicle sometimes there is blow back... if oil was that flammable most cars would explode
1002 2011-10-21 12:35:50 <diki> woah
1003 2011-10-21 12:35:53 <noob> lol but instead you get black smoke
1004 2011-10-21 12:35:53 <diki> gintama has a new opening
1005 2011-10-21 12:35:55 <lfm> burning != exploding
1006 2011-10-21 12:36:16 <noob> what is gintama?
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1008 2011-10-21 12:37:38 <noob> well I don't think the bottom pan of the engine would hold the pressure of burning oil
1009 2011-10-21 12:37:41 <lfm> noob you ever seen someone throw a match into a bucket of gasoline? usually it doesnt start a fire either. so that proves to your satisfaction that gasoline is not flamable , right?
1010 2011-10-21 12:37:45 <noob> so it would definetely blow something off
1011 2011-10-21 12:38:13 <noob> lmao @lfm
1012 2011-10-21 12:38:26 <noob> i forgot how to pm
1013 2011-10-21 12:38:46 <lfm> what, you dont beleive me? or what?
1014 2011-10-21 12:38:57 <noob> I've acctually seen it done
1015 2011-10-21 12:39:30 <noob> but thats because the fumes drown out alot of the oxygen
1016 2011-10-21 12:39:44 <noob> you need oxygen for any type of fire
1017 2011-10-21 12:40:01 <noob> main ingredient in combustion is Oxygen
1018 2011-10-21 12:40:03 <noob> O2
1019 2011-10-21 12:40:44 <noob> dunno I think oil cooling would be better than liquid nitrogen
1020 2011-10-21 12:40:57 <noob> I saw a video of some dude cooling his rigs with liquid nitrogen
1021 2011-10-21 12:41:20 <noob> you dont have to use it
1022 2011-10-21 12:41:22 <lfm> yes, I understand the match doesnt have time to heat the gas before the lack of oxygen puts out the match but it is the same point. once gas or oil starts burning it can spread and its not something I want in my computers with unattended heat building up and electric sparks from hundreds of parts possible.
1023 2011-10-21 12:41:24 <noob> just a suggestion
1024 2011-10-21 12:42:01 <noob> plus it looks cool when the fans are rotating very sllooooooooooooooooowly
1025 2011-10-21 12:42:05 <noob> inside the liquid
1026 2011-10-21 12:42:06 <noob> lol
1027 2011-10-21 12:43:07 <lfm> not to mention the mess whenever you want to change something around.
1028 2011-10-21 12:43:13 <noob> true
1029 2011-10-21 12:43:37 <noob> oil bath = no air conditioner and no fans
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1031 2011-10-21 12:44:10 <noob> I would cool my FPGA's in oil
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1036 2011-10-21 12:47:17 <noob> so 64bytes:64bytes
1037 2011-10-21 12:49:31 <lfm> ya 64 bytes is 256 bits, thats why its called sha256
1038 2011-10-21 12:49:45 <noob> ah those are the hashes
1039 2011-10-21 12:49:53 <noob> ok ok
1040 2011-10-21 12:50:03 <noob> not that difficult
1041 2011-10-21 12:50:07 <lfm> oops no I m wrong
1042 2011-10-21 12:50:18 <noob> ?
1043 2011-10-21 12:50:28 <lfm> 32 bytes is 256 bits. the 64 bytes is just the block chunk size
1044 2011-10-21 12:50:54 <noob> is the block chunk always 64bytes?
1045 2011-10-21 12:51:10 <noob> thats the end of the work message
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1047 2011-10-21 12:51:30 <lfm> for sha256 ya, there is also sha512 but thats nothing to do with us
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1049 2011-10-21 12:51:55 <noob> 512 would be too wide for these chips I think
1050 2011-10-21 12:52:02 <noob> dunno I have to see how the circuits are layered
1051 2011-10-21 12:52:20 <lfm> well 64 bytes is actually 512 bits
1052 2011-10-21 12:52:44 <noob> but the math is only 256bits wide
1053 2011-10-21 12:53:00 <lfm> but thats like the input to the hash, the output is 256 bits
1054 2011-10-21 12:53:16 <noob> the block is 512bits
1055 2011-10-21 12:53:25 <lfm> ya 64 bytes
1056 2011-10-21 12:53:34 <noob> the hash is 256bits
1057 2011-10-21 12:53:48 <lfm> the output is 32 bytes/256 bits
1058 2011-10-21 12:53:57 <noob> yeah one hash
1059 2011-10-21 12:53:59 <noob> the winning hash
1060 2011-10-21 12:54:15 <lfm> winning or not, it is 32 bytes
1061 2011-10-21 12:54:18 <noob> the hard part would be to make a circuit to do modulus math
1062 2011-10-21 12:54:29 <noob> do I have to report on every check?
1063 2011-10-21 12:54:44 <lfm> report?
1064 2011-10-21 12:54:50 <noob> like for every nonce
1065 2011-10-21 12:55:04 <noob> is there something transmitted back to the server?
1066 2011-10-21 12:55:19 <noob> or only when it gets to 32bit max?
1067 2011-10-21 12:55:33 <noob> cause nonce is 32bit unsigned int correct?
1068 2011-10-21 12:55:53 <lfm> theoreticly you do a 256 bit compare to the "target" but most miners just look for the high 32 bits == zero
1069 2011-10-21 12:56:04 <lfm> ya, the nonce is 32 bits
1070 2011-10-21 12:56:10 <noob> interesting
1071 2011-10-21 12:56:15 <noob> they are doing partial?
1072 2011-10-21 12:56:28 <noob> and if they get something close they weigh in the whole thing?
1073 2011-10-21 12:57:03 <noob> massive circuit this will be
1074 2011-10-21 12:57:04 <lfm> they do a partial test for the hi bits then later on in the miner controller cpu or the server they do the full check for the target compare
1075 2011-10-21 12:57:20 <noob> ahh cool that makes sense
1076 2011-10-21 12:57:44 <lfm> so a hit in the fpga might not pass the later check
1077 2011-10-21 12:57:55 <noob> I think I can do the whole thing in one shot
1078 2011-10-21 12:58:03 <noob> one clock pulse
1079 2011-10-21 12:58:10 <noob> but I have to see
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1081 2011-10-21 12:58:50 <noob> anyone know how many instruction cycles a GPU takes?
1082 2011-10-21 12:59:10 <lfm> it might be tricky doing the compare cuz I think it is little endian again compared to the sha256 operations which are big endian
1083 2011-10-21 12:59:52 <noob> I wrote a shift register to flip it already...
1084 2011-10-21 13:00:06 <noob> or I can flip it on the controller IC (Arduino)
1085 2011-10-21 13:00:10 <noob> or ATmega
1086 2011-10-21 13:00:11 <lfm> you just flip 32 bits at a time, right?
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1088 2011-10-21 13:00:39 <noob> um... I can flip the whole thing in 256 cycles
1089 2011-10-21 13:00:49 <noob> but I only have to flip it once?
1090 2011-10-21 13:00:57 <noob> right and go through each hash
1091 2011-10-21 13:01:09 <lfm> ya but you only do the byte swaps on 32 bit chunks
1092 2011-10-21 13:01:41 <noob> ok that was what diablo was talking about
1093 2011-10-21 13:02:00 <noob> I can write two hashers to do that concurrently
1094 2011-10-21 13:02:08 <noob> hi and low
1095 2011-10-21 13:02:21 <lfm> ya the sha256 internal operations are all 32 bits at a time really, like the adds and stuff
1096 2011-10-21 13:02:42 <noob> yeah http://www.webtoolkit.info/javascript-sha256.html <--- like this
1097 2011-10-21 13:02:52 <noob> just using it for pseudo code
1098 2011-10-21 13:03:05 <noob> this code actually generates a hash for a block
1099 2011-10-21 13:03:15 <lfm> ya java suks cuz it doesnt support unsigned operations tho
1100 2011-10-21 13:03:28 <noob> naw just a map
1101 2011-10-21 13:03:41 <noob> not going to use javascript lol
1102 2011-10-21 13:04:06 <lfm> Id think C code would be easier to follow
1103 2011-10-21 13:04:20 <noob> I have some of those examples too
1104 2011-10-21 13:04:27 <noob> except people always use libraries
1105 2011-10-21 13:04:41 <noob> this javascript example is probably one of the only one that shows math
1106 2011-10-21 13:05:44 <lfm> well theres several open source libraries that do sha256 that you can look at too
1107 2011-10-21 13:06:09 <noob> I need one without CPU optimizations
1108 2011-10-21 13:06:13 <noob> just pseudo
1109 2011-10-21 13:06:47 <lfm> k well I gotta go, good luck with your project
1110 2011-10-21 13:06:53 <noob> :) thanks
1111 2011-10-21 13:07:00 <noob> thanks for all your help
1112 2011-10-21 13:07:06 <noob> I really appreciate it
1113 2011-10-21 13:08:15 <noob> \msg lfm ngarcia.work@gmail.com
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1120 2011-10-21 13:26:04 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r246 /trunk/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
1121 2011-10-21 13:26:04 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: Some changes to PeerGroup and how we manage the download process:
1122 2011-10-21 13:26:05 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: - Have a dominant peer that is responsible for all data downloads. This eliminates the case of multiple threads fighting over download of the block chain and wasting time/bandwidth duplicating work.
1123 2011-10-21 13:26:05 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: - Make NetworkConnection an interface with two implementations: {TCP,Mock}NetworkConnection
1124 2011-10-21 13:26:05 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: - Rewrite the Peer/PeerGroup tests to use the mock connection. This simplifies testing of multiple independent peer threads within the same gro
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1168 2011-10-21 14:49:45 <edcba> "Bitcoins are backed by gold. Comedy gold."
1169 2011-10-21 14:49:48 <edcba> haha
1170 2011-10-21 14:49:55 <da2ce7> :)
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1177 2011-10-21 15:01:55 <upb> loool :P
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1182 2011-10-21 15:22:19 <pwrcycle> hi all, has any bitcoin site replicated something like the payment API that mybitcoin had?
1183 2011-10-21 15:22:37 <pwrcycle> i need to find another way to accept payments via website.
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1189 2011-10-21 15:29:06 <rjk2> pwrcycle: the gox has a pretty big API
1190 2011-10-21 15:29:21 <rjk2> not very well documented, but meh
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1192 2011-10-21 15:30:46 <pwrcycle> rjk2: for receiving business payments? i think they did that..
1193 2011-10-21 15:31:41 <rjk2> you would need to write your own processor, afaik, but it could interface with their API
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1206 2011-10-21 15:58:28 <nathan7> greetings, humans.
1207 2011-10-21 15:58:38 <SomeoneWeird> sup
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1221 2011-10-21 16:20:28 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,blocks
1222 2011-10-21 16:20:29 <gribble> 150146
1223 2011-10-21 16:22:21 <slush> hello, anybody familiar with DNS system? Is somehow possible to detect subdomains of any domain?
1224 2011-10-21 16:22:46 <slush> I mean - if i know domain example.com, is there any way how to detect there's DNS record for good.example.com and bad.example.com?
1225 2011-10-21 16:23:00 <imsaguy2> slush, not if you turn off zone transfers
1226 2011-10-21 16:23:05 <rjk2> DNS is designed to prevent that
1227 2011-10-21 16:23:06 <gmaxwell> slush: not unless the name server supports xfer
1228 2011-10-21 16:23:21 <rjk2> however you could write a bot to try a dictionary
1229 2011-10-21 16:23:29 <imsaguy2> it would really need to be unique
1230 2011-10-21 16:23:43 <gmaxwell> (the fact that wildcards can work shows why it couldn't hope to get a complete list. ;) )
1231 2011-10-21 16:23:43 <slush> oh, so I need to study zone transfers :)
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1233 2011-10-21 16:23:53 <rjk2> AXFR is disabled usually
1234 2011-10-21 16:24:03 <imsaguy2> slush, they're usually off unless someone's turned them on
1235 2011-10-21 16:24:06 <imsaguy2> I concur with rjk2
1236 2011-10-21 16:24:08 <slush> ok, if AXFR is enabled, how can I detect it?
1237 2011-10-21 16:24:43 <gmaxwell> dig foo.com AXFR
1238 2011-10-21 16:24:44 <gmaxwell> IIRC
1239 2011-10-21 16:24:48 <imsaguy2> yes
1240 2011-10-21 16:24:50 * slush reading 
1241 2011-10-21 16:25:22 <rjk2> intodns.com is a nice gui site if you are into that, it detects various issues with DNS including whether AXFR is enabled or not
1242 2011-10-21 16:26:00 <imsaguy2> Ive always used dnsstuff.com, but its a paid site.
1243 2011-10-21 16:26:38 <slush> thanks for intodns.com, looks cool!
1244 2011-10-21 16:27:05 <slush> (looks like I need some fixes for bitcoin.cz :) )
1245 2011-10-21 16:27:10 <rjk2> :)
1246 2011-10-21 16:27:21 <imsaguy2> actually, it looks fine.
1247 2011-10-21 16:27:42 <imsaguy2> missing ns/stealth ns is no big deal
1248 2011-10-21 16:27:47 <slush> ok :)
1249 2011-10-21 16:27:54 <slush> Thanks guys for great help, I need to go
1250 2011-10-21 16:28:00 <slush> But I got some interesting idea ;)
1251 2011-10-21 16:28:42 <gmaxwell> but! darnit.
1252 2011-10-21 16:28:48 <gmaxwell> I hate when people do that. :)
1253 2011-10-21 16:29:01 <rjk2> same lol
1254 2011-10-21 16:29:06 <gmaxwell> If I was a cat I'd be quite dead.
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1256 2011-10-21 16:29:54 <gmaxwell> I once set of air raid sirens over a 10mi radius because I wondered what a switch did.  Twice. (because the first time could have been a coincidence)
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1259 2011-10-21 16:30:36 <rjk2> unsecured switchboxes ftw
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1261 2011-10-21 16:30:48 <rjk2> especially before the days of cctv :P
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1263 2011-10-21 16:31:51 <gmaxwell> I was in an abandoned air traffic control tower on official business. Late at night. (setting up a temporary wireless relay to get internet to a red cross site)
1264 2011-10-21 16:32:30 <gmaxwell> The whole building hadn't been used in years and everything was shut down. While I was waiting for the other side to get their crap aligned, I was flipping the endless arrays of switches.
1265 2011-10-21 16:32:40 <rjk2> lol nice
1266 2011-10-21 16:32:48 <gmaxwell> One was under a bright red cover...
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1268 2011-10-21 16:33:11 <rjk2> i always lol when someone uses a keyswitch as well, when the key is the same for all switches sold by the company unless specified otherwise
1269 2011-10-21 16:33:32 * rjk2 has an Allen Bradley key that unlocks most of their switches
1270 2011-10-21 16:34:23 <nathan7> o:
1271 2011-10-21 16:34:27 <nathan7> fun.
1272 2011-10-21 16:34:51 <imsaguy2> its interesting that it was still connected
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1274 2011-10-21 16:36:13 <da2ce7> lol
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1277 2011-10-21 16:37:16 <gmaxwell> imsaguy2: I assume they never disconnected it because they never moved it... AFAIK the system wasn't actually in use anymore, just no one ever turned it off.
1278 2011-10-21 16:37:36 <gmaxwell> It was replaced by things like the emergency interupts on catv and radio.
1279 2011-10-21 16:39:14 <gmaxwell> I don't know how many of the sirens actually worked— certantly the ones near the airport did, and I know some of the far away ones worked because of how far away people reported it.. but it could have been that 2/3rds of the sirens no longer actually worked.
1280 2011-10-21 16:40:49 <gavinandresen> speaking of not turning things off... "we" should remove the pay-by-ip code....
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1284 2011-10-21 16:43:53 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: yep.  that was ACK'd, but the most recent pull request to do that was incorrect (problems w/ UI code spotted by BlueMatt)
1285 2011-10-21 16:44:01 <jgarzik> presumably that UI code is gone in QT edition
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1291 2011-10-21 16:51:44 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: lol. I too cannot resist that "wtf does this switch do" urge
1292 2011-10-21 16:52:14 <gavinandresen> DO NOT PUSH THE RED BUTTON
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1294 2011-10-21 16:52:51 <gmaxwell> It was such an impressive switch. Imposing.
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1296 2011-10-21 16:53:46 <jrmithdobbs> i actually may be able to get out of my apartment lease in part due to this trait, in fact
1297 2011-10-21 16:53:49 <jrmithdobbs> ha
1298 2011-10-21 16:54:04 <gmaxwell> The fire department usually frowns on that.
1299 2011-10-21 16:54:20 <jrmithdobbs> those bitcoin mining rigs showed me how dangerous the wiring is and all sorts of problems with the eletrical ;p
1300 2011-10-21 16:54:40 <jrmithdobbs> all thanks to flipping switches that don't seem to do anything
1301 2011-10-21 16:54:52 <da2ce7> jrmithdobbs, maybe the moral of the story is to 'label big red buttons, with a accurate and usefull discription of what they do'
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1303 2011-10-21 16:54:59 <gmaxwell> oh man, I kind of had a similar expirence.
1304 2011-10-21 16:55:42 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: it's bad. entirety of guest bedroom plugs (which used to have most of my eletronics plugged into them) are on the same circuit as the hardwired microwave and several other fun fun things
1305 2011-10-21 16:55:56 <gmaxwell> When I added another 240v circuit for mining, I discovered that I had two 30a 240 breakers that were just connected to wires that were just sitting unconnected in a junction box!
1306 2011-10-21 16:56:10 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: most fun? There's no master switch on the box at all
1307 2011-10-21 16:56:18 <jrmithdobbs> (100% illegal)
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1309 2011-10-21 16:56:32 <gmaxwell> Which had just been sitting turned on, because presumably me or someone before me did a "ACTIVATE ALL THE BREAKERS!"
1310 2011-10-21 16:56:45 <imsaguy2> I had a power box that had the master switch catch on fire/blow out
1311 2011-10-21 16:56:46 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: i've got two wires that are literally just hanging down in the wall somewhere
1312 2011-10-21 16:56:49 <imsaguy2> that is scary as hell
1313 2011-10-21 16:56:53 <imsaguy2> I was about 3 feet from it
1314 2011-10-21 16:56:59 <jrmithdobbs> because when they were installing or reinstalling something they hooked up the wrong fuckin circuit
1315 2011-10-21 16:57:24 <jrmithdobbs> (that bedroom has it's own circuit that's currently not connected to anything)
1316 2011-10-21 16:57:32 <gmaxwell> the junction box that those wires were in was ungrounded too. There was a ground wire attached to it, but it was just floating free on the other side.
1317 2011-10-21 16:58:08 <jrmithdobbs> ya I thought i'd seen some crazy commercial power
1318 2011-10-21 16:58:27 <jrmithdobbs> residential power in the US is a whole new level of fucking jerry rigging I didn't even want to know existed.
1319 2011-10-21 16:58:55 <gmaxwell> The electrical code is pretty good... but a lot of work is done by unlicensed idiots.
1320 2011-10-21 16:59:07 <jrmithdobbs> ya the code is fine
1321 2011-10-21 16:59:21 <jrmithdobbs> noone seems to actually follow it, especially when doing residential work, though
1322 2011-10-21 16:59:36 <imsaguy2> you mean the black and white wires aren't supposed to touch?
1323 2011-10-21 16:59:41 <jrmithdobbs> I guess they don't do the absolutely batshit stuff in commercial buildings as much since those people are more likely to sue
1324 2011-10-21 17:00:34 <gmaxwell> more likely to hire competent contractors.
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1329 2011-10-21 17:10:40 <[Tycho]> "gmaxwell> I hate when people do that. :)" - do what ?
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1335 2011-10-21 17:16:13 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: ask some interesting sounding questions and then vanish!
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1337 2011-10-21 17:19:38 <imsaguy2> damn
1338 2011-10-21 17:19:44 <imsaguy2> I just pinged out
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1344 2011-10-21 17:21:54 <imsaguy2> excellent
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1437 2011-10-21 19:52:22 <diki> ;;seen gigavps
1438 2011-10-21 19:52:22 <gribble> I have not seen gigavps.
1439 2011-10-21 19:52:29 <diki> ;;seen gigavps #arsbitcoin
1440 2011-10-21 19:52:29 <gribble> (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
1441 2011-10-21 19:52:40 <diki> ;;seen #arsbitcoin gigavps
1442 2011-10-21 19:52:40 <gribble> I have not seen gigavps.
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1502 2011-10-21 21:43:09 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * r97d400d71b9e / (6 files in 3 dirs): postgresql script -> bytea
1503 2011-10-21 21:43:11 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * rc7242755ce84 /src/script.cpp: pushdata1/2/4
1504 2011-10-21 21:43:13 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * rf50e1b1a231e /src/storage/postgresql_storage.cpp: Cleaner way to find indices for block_locator.
1505 2011-10-21 21:43:14 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * re7c0cb8c1fb7 /src/types.cpp: hash_from_pretty implicitly uses bytes_from_pretty
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1522 2011-10-21 22:13:04 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * ra548287ec062 / (include/bitcoin/script.hpp src/script.cpp): OP_CHECKSIG uses the stack
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1568 2011-10-21 23:23:58 <MacRohard> this new bitcoin-qt build is making my system painfully slow :/
1569 2011-10-21 23:25:18 <neofutur> bad news, they wont wait for the trial :
1570 2011-10-21 23:25:18 <neofutur> https://mtgox.com/press_release_20111021.html
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1580 2011-10-21 23:48:12 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * r53fe15034148 / (3 files in 2 dirs): no prev_block_id
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1590 2011-10-21 23:58:41 <Diablo-D3> https://github.com/blog/967-github-secrets