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 20 2011-10-22 00:29:11 <phantomcircuit> what would happen if you decided to generate a block with higher difficulty than necessary?
 21 2011-10-22 00:29:32 <lfm> only you might miss a good one
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 25 2011-10-22 00:32:55 <diki> phantomcircuit:lol, fail
 26 2011-10-22 00:34:02 <phantomcircuit> diki, eh i dont mine
 27 2011-10-22 00:34:06 <phantomcircuit> i was just wondering
 28 2011-10-22 00:34:22 <phantomcircuit> logically there is no reason to drop blocks which have a higher difficulty than necessary
 29 2011-10-22 00:34:25 <diki> the truth? nothing
 30 2011-10-22 00:34:42 <diki> we actually generate blocks with ALL kinds of diffs
 31 2011-10-22 00:35:43 <lfm> phantomcircuit: almost all blocks will have a "higher difficulty than necessary" since the target comparison is "less than or equalto"
 32 2011-10-22 00:36:27 <lfm> it would be incredibly rare to have a difficulty exactly equal to the target
 33 2011-10-22 00:36:28 <gmaxwell> lfm: s/almost//
 34 2011-10-22 00:36:50 <gmaxwell> Astronomically rare
 35 2011-10-22 00:37:29 <lfm> ya historiclly speaking I would expect them to all be not equal
 36 2011-10-22 00:37:45 <phantomcircuit> lfm, no i was referring to the 'bits' field
 37 2011-10-22 00:37:55 <diki> the chance of it happening is the same as that of an asteroid escaping a black hole's gravitational pull
 38 2011-10-22 00:38:20 <phantomcircuit> but i got my answer
 39 2011-10-22 00:38:24 <lfm> phantomcircuit: yes, exactly. the bits field is just a compact representation of the target value
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 41 2011-10-22 00:38:41 <phantomcircuit> a block with a bits field corresponding to a higher than expected difficulty will be rejected
 42 2011-10-22 00:39:59 <lfm> oh I see, hmm, not so sure of that but ya, once a new diff is calculated every 2016 blocks you basiclly have to use it till the next recalc
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 45 2011-10-22 00:40:34 <Diablo-D3> its now deepbit, slush, btcguild, ars, bitclockers, abcpool, bitcoins.lc, btcmine, and nmcbit
 46 2011-10-22 00:40:53 <lfm> and I think you have to calculate the new diff exactly the same way as everyone else.
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 48 2011-10-22 00:41:22 <lfm> Diablo-D3: huh? did luke quit?
 49 2011-10-22 00:41:29 <Diablo-D3> luke's pool is still down
 50 2011-10-22 00:41:32 <Diablo-D3> so he gets a 0
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 52 2011-10-22 00:41:37 <lfm> oic
 53 2011-10-22 00:41:37 <imsaguy> he didn't quit
 54 2011-10-22 00:41:42 <imsaguy> he's on vacation
 55 2011-10-22 00:41:51 <imsaguy> the pool got blackholed, its now unblackholed
 56 2011-10-22 00:41:52 <Diablo-D3> someone set his thread back to 460, and I dont know why
 57 2011-10-22 00:41:53 <lfm> oic
 58 2011-10-22 00:41:56 <imsaguy> the dameon needs a restart
 59 2011-10-22 00:42:01 <imsaguy> daemon*
 60 2011-10-22 00:42:02 <Diablo-D3> its 0
 61 2011-10-22 00:42:28 <imsaguy> well, it was either a mod or luke
 62 2011-10-22 00:42:38 <imsaguy> regardless, they are free to change it how they see fit
 63 2011-10-22 00:43:37 <Diablo-D3> yes, and Im free to change it back when I do the top 10
 64 2011-10-22 00:43:48 <imsaguy> whihc is like every ten minutes or so
 65 2011-10-22 00:44:00 <Diablo-D3> no, usually about once a month
 66 2011-10-22 00:44:12 <imsaguy> is that all?
 67 2011-10-22 00:44:20 <Diablo-D3> yeah, I dont update frequently
 68 2011-10-22 00:44:29 <Diablo-D3> the pool ranking doesnt change often
 69 2011-10-22 00:44:53 <diki> that is because
 70 2011-10-22 00:44:55 <imsaguy> so did you change it now>?
 71 2011-10-22 00:45:00 <diki> there are too many lazy people
 72 2011-10-22 00:45:01 <imsaguy> or yesterday when you posted this [2011/10/20 18:29:48] <Diablo-D3> its now deepbit, btc guild, slush, ars, bitcoin.lc, bitclockers, abcpool, mt red, btcmine, emc
 73 2011-10-22 00:45:01 <Diablo-D3> Ive been doing it like every day for the past 3 days because of the ddos
 74 2011-10-22 00:45:08 <Diablo-D3> ^
 75 2011-10-22 00:45:15 <imsaguy> why not just make a ddos thread instead
 76 2011-10-22 00:45:28 <diki> why not unsticky them all
 77 2011-10-22 00:45:31 <Diablo-D3> and mmc shut down as well
 78 2011-10-22 00:45:38 <diki> mmc
 79 2011-10-22 00:45:42 <diki> ?
 80 2011-10-22 00:45:46 <Diablo-D3> mainframe
 81 2011-10-22 00:45:50 <diki> why?
 82 2011-10-22 00:45:56 <Diablo-D3> he got tired of the bullshit
 83 2011-10-22 00:47:01 <Diablo-D3> I dont blame annihilat
 84 2011-10-22 00:47:04 <lfm> hehe he got tired of the exchange price I bet
 85 2011-10-22 00:47:15 <Diablo-D3> no, he got tired of being a ddos target
 86 2011-10-22 00:47:20 <Diablo-D3> the 10gbit eye of sauron hit him too
 87 2011-10-22 00:47:29 <Diablo-D3> and its basically charge fees or quit, so he quit
 88 2011-10-22 00:49:34 <diki> slush was from where exactly?
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 90 2011-10-22 00:49:46 <Diablo-D3> diki: dunno
 91 2011-10-22 00:49:57 <diki> I think he was Czech
 92 2011-10-22 00:50:01 <diki> however its spelled
 93 2011-10-22 00:50:11 <diki> Yet his english is far beyond mine
 94 2011-10-22 00:50:20 <Diablo-D3> yeah, czech
 95 2011-10-22 00:50:31 <Diablo-D3> at least his domain is in .cz
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 97 2011-10-22 00:50:51 <diki> Notch's english is also top notch
 98 2011-10-22 00:51:23 * Diablo-D3 smacks diki
 99 2011-10-22 00:51:39 <diki> Actually i thought of this phrase
100 2011-10-22 00:51:54 <diki> "Step it up a nonce" :D
101 2011-10-22 00:52:04 <Diablo-D3> =|
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149 2011-10-22 02:12:42 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: I just realized something. It took me an entire month to write 1000 lines of code.
150 2011-10-22 02:12:45 <Diablo-D3> I must be getting old.
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433 2011-10-22 14:48:10 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * re7c8a4..e50ed9 / (7 files in 4 dirs): (5 commits)
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466 2011-10-22 16:27:01 <dikidera> ;;seen gigavps
467 2011-10-22 16:27:01 <gribble> I have not seen gigavps.
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475 2011-10-22 16:41:36 <phungus> umm, where did the wall go?
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482 2011-10-22 17:13:13 <genjix> anybody had luck building bitcoin on oneiric ocelot?
483 2011-10-22 17:16:57 <EskimoBob> genjix: I can try. I just upgraded
484 2011-10-22 17:18:22 <genjix> it has a problem with boost system error_code
485 2011-10-22 17:18:32 <genjix> but the linker clearly has -lboost_system
486 2011-10-22 17:19:00 <ThomasV> genjix: I upgraded too and I haven't found how to get rid of gnome 3
487 2011-10-22 17:19:23 <genjix> ThomasV: you use kde?
488 2011-10-22 17:19:30 <sipa> just install something else?
489 2011-10-22 17:19:32 <ThomasV> no, I use gnome
490 2011-10-22 17:19:35 <sipa> ah
491 2011-10-22 17:19:46 <genjix> you want gnome2
492 2011-10-22 17:19:46 <ThomasV> but the new modern desktop is a pain
493 2011-10-22 17:19:50 <ThomasV> yes
494 2011-10-22 17:19:57 <genjix> maybe try xfce instead
495 2011-10-22 17:20:07 <sipa> xfce is nice
496 2011-10-22 17:20:09 <genjix> i use awesome and it suits my needs
497 2011-10-22 17:20:10 <ThomasV> I installed gnome 2 and since then X is broken
498 2011-10-22 17:20:42 <genjix> i kind of like unity, but it feels too much like a granny-desktop for me
499 2011-10-22 17:20:56 <ThomasV> I mean, the guy who designed this gnome3 think should be punished by waterboarding
500 2011-10-22 17:21:03 <ThomasV> *thing*
501 2011-10-22 17:21:16 <ThomasV> or perhaps burnt alive
502 2011-10-22 17:21:27 <genjix> is it that bad lol
503 2011-10-22 17:21:53 <ThomasV> try it. you won't be able to open a terminal :-)
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505 2011-10-22 17:22:17 <genjix> oh i got the new bitcoin to build
506 2011-10-22 17:22:23 <genjix> old object files doh
507 2011-10-22 17:22:25 <ThomasV> I think there's a gnome fork called Mate
508 2011-10-22 17:22:29 <EskimoBob> ThomasV: waterboarding and THEN burned
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510 2011-10-22 17:22:41 <ThomasV> yeah
511 2011-10-22 17:22:48 <EskimoBob> but i do not use gnome so ... do not care how you kill this guy
512 2011-10-22 17:23:11 <ThomasV> I might quit using it if they go on with the shit
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515 2011-10-22 17:23:45 <genjix> what does opcode 0xfc mean in a script?
516 2011-10-22 17:23:54 <genjix> do you just ignore it?
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518 2011-10-22 17:24:21 <sipa> ThomasV: how do you mean, not able to open a terminal? what can you do with it, then? :p
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520 2011-10-22 17:24:49 <ThomasV> sipa: it took me 5 minutes to open one
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522 2011-10-22 17:25:16 <ThomasV> ctrl-alt-f1 was more efficient
523 2011-10-22 17:26:24 <EskimoBob> damn, 60 min and 3 confirmation... this is getting ridiculous. Please guys, fix BTC
524 2011-10-22 17:26:35 <sipa> EskimoBob: ?
525 2011-10-22 17:26:51 <UukGoblin> EskimoBob, that's pretty allright actually
526 2011-10-22 17:26:51 <sipa> it got confirmed, is that not good?
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530 2011-10-22 17:30:43 <terrytibbs> sipa: Not "confirmed" enough for most bitcoin services, though...
531 2011-10-22 17:31:35 <casascius> Who is running the Bitcoin Wiki?  MagicalTux?  Someone else?  It's getting spammed lately, thought I would ask for rights to delete pages.
532 2011-10-22 17:31:55 <ThomasV> casascius: yes, MT
533 2011-10-22 17:32:12 <genjix> this is the first block where the coinbase does not follow the scripting rules: http://blockexplorer.com/rawblock/000000000000046acff93b0e76cd10490551bf871ce9ac9fad62e67a07ff1d1e
534 2011-10-22 17:32:27 <ThomasV> genjix: how so ?
535 2011-10-22 17:32:40 <genjix> normally the coinbases can be parsed as scripts
536 2011-10-22 17:33:09 <genjix> so the usual format is:  number of bytes to push: [ ... ] number of bytes to push: [ ..more bytes... ]
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539 2011-10-22 17:33:25 <genjix> but this one starts with 0xfc, and that's not a proper opcode
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541 2011-10-22 17:33:45 <ThomasV> genjix: does it mean that the coinbase cannot be spent?
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543 2011-10-22 17:34:57 <genjix> block 142312
544 2011-10-22 17:35:28 <genjix> no, the input is unused
545 2011-10-22 17:35:46 <genjix> but it makes parsing difficult for me since i always assumed that the input is sane ffs
546 2011-10-22 17:35:49 <ThomasV> oh then it's fine
547 2011-10-22 17:36:14 <Eliel> just add a check to not parse the input if it's a coinbase transaction?
548 2011-10-22 17:36:32 <ThomasV> does the wiki page contain all proper opcodes ?
549 2011-10-22 17:36:50 <genjix> yeah
550 2011-10-22 17:36:53 <genjix> it's complete
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553 2011-10-22 17:38:24 <Diablo-D3> has anyone done business with casascius?
554 2011-10-22 17:38:28 <ThomasV> genjix: did you look at bitcoind's code, to see how it is parsed?
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556 2011-10-22 17:39:31 <genjix> yeah lol. how silly
557 2011-10-22 17:39:51 <genjix> stores it as a character array internally and inherits from std::vector
558 2011-10-22 17:39:57 <genjix> both very bad things to do
559 2011-10-22 17:39:59 <Diablo-D3> anyone?
560 2011-10-22 17:40:33 <genjix> std::vector has a non-virtual dtor (maybe not on all implementations) and it's bad to inherit from it
561 2011-10-22 17:40:49 <genjix> also generally you should encapsulate containers, not inherit from them...
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586 2011-10-22 18:44:59 <tcatm> Diablo-D3: I've bought some coins from him.
587 2011-10-22 18:45:24 <genjix> how are they?
588 2011-10-22 18:45:44 <tcatm> I like them :)
589 2011-10-22 18:46:06 <genjix> how do you break the seal though?
590 2011-10-22 18:46:13 <genjix> it's a metal coin, no?
591 2011-10-22 18:47:21 <tcatm> it has a sticker on the back hiding the private key. it has very visible marks when removed
592 2011-10-22 18:48:09 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * r3d283d29d61e / (include/bitcoin/script.hpp src/script.cpp): Removed script_from_pretty
593 2011-10-22 18:48:10 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * r17c53c41da34 / (5 files in 3 dirs): Store coinbase input script as raw byte stream.
594 2011-10-22 18:48:40 <tcatm> wumpus: how do I install/use qt translations in bitcoin-qt?
595 2011-10-22 18:49:38 <genjix> tcatm: i don't know about bitcoin-qt but normally qt apps have a build in help that you can use using --help-qt
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598 2011-10-22 18:51:22 <tcatm> no --help-qt in bitcoin-qt :/
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600 2011-10-22 18:57:55 <tcatm> wumpus: also, would it be sane to use TRANSLATIONS = $$files(src/qt/locale/bitcoin_*.ts) in the project file?
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604 2011-10-22 19:10:33 <gasteve> I bought some casascius coins too…not directly from casascius though…but the guy I bought them from didn't have any problems with the order
605 2011-10-22 19:10:48 <gasteve> (there really cool too)
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607 2011-10-22 19:29:56 <dikidera> Ok
608 2011-10-22 19:30:06 <dikidera> i have this problem i am interested in fixing
609 2011-10-22 19:30:23 <grubles> i have some coins from casascius
610 2011-10-22 19:30:39 <dikidera> If i have bitcoin running and an alt chain client, depending on whicever client was started first, the other client gets ONLY 8 connections
611 2011-10-22 19:31:28 <phantomcircuit> dikidera, you're behind a router?
612 2011-10-22 19:31:38 <dikidera> you could say that
613 2011-10-22 19:31:53 <dikidera> i dont have a router, however i have another PC and using a crossed-cable i share internet
614 2011-10-22 19:32:05 <phantomcircuit> lol wat
615 2011-10-22 19:32:21 <dikidera> look, bitcoin can get up to 100 connections, but if i fire up namecoind...i get only 8 on the namecoin client
616 2011-10-22 19:32:28 <phantomcircuit> ps cross cables aren't necessary with any nic made in the last 5 years
617 2011-10-22 19:32:48 <dikidera> phantomcircuit:and how would i connect the PCs then>\
618 2011-10-22 19:33:04 <lianj> oO
619 2011-10-22 19:33:07 <phantomcircuit> lol buy a fucking router?
620 2011-10-22 19:33:10 <phantomcircuit> they're like $20
621 2011-10-22 19:33:15 <dikidera> that is expensive
622 2011-10-22 19:33:18 <gmaxwell> Pretty much any gigabit interface is autocross.
623 2011-10-22 19:33:33 <lianj> watching youtube over COM port
624 2011-10-22 19:33:43 <gmaxwell> laplink ftw.
625 2011-10-22 19:33:58 <dikidera> in any case, without router i obviously cant use internet on two computers
626 2011-10-22 19:33:58 <phantomcircuit> dikidera, ok then
627 2011-10-22 19:34:06 <dikidera> i'd obviously need such a cable
628 2011-10-22 19:34:13 <gmaxwell> I wonder if the linux kernel still has a lpt network driver that uses the laplink cables.
629 2011-10-22 19:34:15 <dikidera> plus i paid only 1/20th of what i'd pay for a router
630 2011-10-22 19:34:16 <phantomcircuit> dikidera, wen you say share internet
631 2011-10-22 19:34:25 <phantomcircuit> i assume you mean that idiotic windows "share internet" thing
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633 2011-10-22 19:34:35 <dikidera> ICS,yes
634 2011-10-22 19:34:52 <phantomcircuit> you're not going to find a reasonable answer anywhere
635 2011-10-22 19:34:56 <phantomcircuit> just give up
636 2011-10-22 19:34:56 <phantomcircuit> lol
637 2011-10-22 19:35:03 <dikidera> it has never failed me
638 2011-10-22 19:35:06 <dikidera> and as i said
639 2011-10-22 19:35:26 <dikidera> i get a lot of connection *most of the time* with one client running
640 2011-10-22 19:35:34 <dikidera> but if its two...one client gets only 8
641 2011-10-22 19:36:30 <lianj> is your network DSL -> pc-one -> pc-two?
642 2011-10-22 19:37:32 <dikidera> dsl...what's that(sarcasm)
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644 2011-10-22 19:38:33 <dikidera> our national phone provider does internet over ADSL...but most of us are on much better internet
645 2011-10-22 19:38:39 <dikidera> Optical etc
646 2011-10-22 19:39:16 <lianj> wan -> pc-one -> pc-two then?
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648 2011-10-22 19:39:33 <dikidera> internet cable -> pc-one->pc two
649 2011-10-22 19:39:35 <dikidera> pretty much
650 2011-10-22 19:39:51 <lianj> and on pc-two you only get 8 connections?
651 2011-10-22 19:40:00 <dikidera> only if two clients are running
652 2011-10-22 19:40:23 <lianj> pc-one windows?
653 2011-10-22 19:40:28 <dikidera> both of them
654 2011-10-22 19:40:42 <lianj> happy debugging then
655 2011-10-22 19:40:53 <dikidera> many users have this problem i think
656 2011-10-22 19:41:03 <dikidera> 8 connections...thought i dunno if linux users as well
657 2011-10-22 19:41:46 <gmaxwell> dikidera: I think this isn't a bitcoin problem, it sounds like your connection sharing crap won't forward more than one port at a time.
658 2011-10-22 19:41:53 <lianj> no, this only means that client only does outgoing connection, no incomming
659 2011-10-22 19:42:39 <dikidera> that cant be true
660 2011-10-22 19:42:48 <dikidera> i use a lot of programs which connect through different ports
661 2011-10-22 19:42:53 <dikidera> utorrent being one
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663 2011-10-22 19:43:42 <lianj> it really sound like that case. did you try running utorrent on both of them then?
664 2011-10-22 19:43:51 <dikidera> yup
665 2011-10-22 19:43:53 <dikidera> 24/7
666 2011-10-22 19:44:01 <dikidera> both get max speeds
667 2011-10-22 19:44:25 <dikidera> i can have utorrent running, multiplayer gaming and bitcoin as well
668 2011-10-22 19:44:45 <dikidera> and still have a lot of connections but if i fire up another alt chain client...it doesnt like its counterpart
669 2011-10-22 19:46:54 <lianj> always only 8 sounds like no incomming connections, just outgoing period
670 2011-10-22 19:47:44 <dikidera> ok i believe you, but why?
671 2011-10-22 19:47:58 <dikidera> this only happens on any bitcoin like client
672 2011-10-22 19:49:35 <lianj> i dont know, debug the network traffic
673 2011-10-22 19:51:52 <Diablo-D3> [02:32:32] <tcatm> Diablo-D3: I've bought some coins from him.
674 2011-10-22 19:51:56 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if I should
675 2011-10-22 19:52:03 <Diablo-D3> just to have physical evidence bitcoin ever existed
676 2011-10-22 19:52:50 <lianj> you have your gpus :P
677 2011-10-22 19:53:20 <da2ce7> tcatm, bitcoincharts saying 500 again
678 2011-10-22 19:53:38 <tcatm> da2ce7: works here. which url?
679 2011-10-22 19:53:52 <da2ce7> oO it is fixed.
680 2011-10-22 19:54:15 <tcatm> Oh, I see...
681 2011-10-22 19:54:24 <tcatm> that's a bug I'm trying to track down for weeks now
682 2011-10-22 19:55:09 <tcatm> calculating the weighted prices is a little inefficient (= database stuck at 100% cpu for a few minutes) in some cases
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684 2011-10-22 19:55:51 <da2ce7> you cannot calculate them async?
685 2011-10-22 19:56:01 <tcatm> I do.
686 2011-10-22 19:56:44 <da2ce7> how large is your db now?
687 2011-10-22 19:57:09 <tcatm> They are fetched from a cache when displayed on the website, but every now and then I need to recalculate them and in some cases that causes the bug.
688 2011-10-22 19:57:22 <Diablo-D3> also, heeeeeee
689 2011-10-22 19:57:28 <Diablo-D3> I have 256 karma on hn
690 2011-10-22 19:57:28 <tcatm> 1221531 trades
691 2011-10-22 19:57:59 <da2ce7> you cannot copy the db in ram, then calculate them on annother thread?
692 2011-10-22 19:58:22 <tcatm> I'm pretty sure that the database daemon is doing just that.
693 2011-10-22 19:58:42 <tcatm> Usually the query takes <100ms anyway except for that strange edge cases :D
694 2011-10-22 19:59:06 <da2ce7> hmm, then, yes it dose sound like a werid bug.
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696 2011-10-22 20:00:20 <tcatm> the best solution would be seperating database server and webfrontend anyway
697 2011-10-22 20:01:24 <mrb_> nope, separating them would increase latency of the DB operations
698 2011-10-22 20:01:48 <mrb_> if you combine the equivalent hw into a single box, it can only be faster
699 2011-10-22 20:02:00 <tcatm> not that kind of seperation ;)
700 2011-10-22 20:02:11 <upb> yet they are 2 totally different workloads to optimize the box for
701 2011-10-22 20:02:18 <mrb_> many people go with "dedicated" databases, because they can't technically upgrade the hw of the primary box (frontend)
702 2011-10-22 20:02:18 <tcatm> I'd have two daemons, one on the server and a read-only copy on the webfrontend
703 2011-10-22 20:02:31 <mrb_> ah, ok
704 2011-10-22 20:02:39 <da2ce7> the db should be sitting in ram cashe on every box that renders the webpage.
705 2011-10-22 20:02:50 <da2ce7> and then have a write db on annother server.
706 2011-10-22 20:03:20 <tcatm> almost no HTTP GET touches the db at all. It's all pre-rendered in memory except trades.csv in the API
707 2011-10-22 20:03:40 <da2ce7> oh.
708 2011-10-22 20:04:04 <da2ce7> shouldn't you be doing much of the calculations at the DB level then?
709 2011-10-22 20:04:26 <da2ce7> and have the db sitting in ram on the web-rendering side.
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712 2011-10-22 20:05:26 <tcatm> I prefer to fetch the least possible amount of data from the DB and run calculations in other threads
713 2011-10-22 20:06:36 <da2ce7> how many pages do you serve now?  I hit the site a every 10 min or so.  there must be many ppl like me also.
714 2011-10-22 20:06:59 <tcatm> about half a million visitors per month
715 2011-10-22 20:07:36 <da2ce7> and unique?
716 2011-10-22 20:07:37 <mrb_> how about request/sec ?
717 2011-10-22 20:07:45 <tcatm> half a million unique visits ;)
718 2011-10-22 20:07:59 <da2ce7> :O
719 2011-10-22 20:08:04 <da2ce7> and hit's?
720 2011-10-22 20:08:08 <tcatm> about 15.1 reqs/sec right now
721 2011-10-22 20:09:11 <tcatm> with 1.45 reqs/sec for rendered charts
722 2011-10-22 20:09:29 <tcatm> server load 1.03 with 4 cores
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726 2011-10-22 20:14:16 <tcatm> about 900k hits/day
727 2011-10-22 20:16:49 <tcatm> it was much worse in june... 21M hits/day :)
728 2011-10-22 20:19:51 <tcatm> da2ce7: btw, you do not need to refresh bitcoincharts. it should auto update
729 2011-10-22 20:20:09 <da2ce7> yeah, but I keep on changing the change, and the view
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742 2011-10-22 20:57:48 <ianthius> where can i get the 0.5 RC of the client?
743 2011-10-22 20:58:01 <ianthius> i heard it is supports importing a private key?
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745 2011-10-22 20:58:28 <ianthius> this is really awesome and needs to make it to RELEASE
746 2011-10-22 20:58:39 <neofutur> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
747 2011-10-22 20:58:58 <neofutur> yes afaik you have to build it
748 2011-10-22 20:58:58 <ianthius> we are planning to had out physical bitcents at the #occupy events
749 2011-10-22 20:59:33 <ianthius> neofutur, how far are we away from .5 release?
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752 2011-10-22 21:00:30 <neofutur> no idea, its just working well here ( built myself from source )
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754 2011-10-22 21:02:24 <ianthius> neofutur, does it have the import private key feature?
755 2011-10-22 21:03:38 <Kiba> price of bitcoin is jumpy jumpy today
756 2011-10-22 21:03:56 <Kiba> taking advantage of social movement is smart, ianthius
757 2011-10-22 21:04:12 <neofutur> mine have signmessage but no import, build a few days ago
758 2011-10-22 21:04:49 <ianthius> Kiba, yeah we are discussing this in #operationbitcoin
759 2011-10-22 21:05:15 <ianthius> problem is there is no good way to get the physicals back into the computer for neaderthals or those that don't trust Mt. Gox
760 2011-10-22 21:05:35 <ianthius> this puts a wrench in our hole plan
761 2011-10-22 21:05:54 <osearth> so goes physics and the grandfather paradox
762 2011-10-22 21:06:14 <osearth> hold there i'll be back, yesterday! woo spooky
763 2011-10-22 21:06:29 <ianthius> wtf?
764 2011-10-22 21:06:30 <ianthius> :)
765 2011-10-22 21:07:41 <osearth> ;]
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767 2011-10-22 21:08:14 <ianthius> neofutur, darn, i wonder someone told me that feature was in
768 2011-10-22 21:08:48 <imsaguy> there was discussion about it.
769 2011-10-22 21:10:24 <ianthius> seems the simplest implementation would be to take the private key and institute a transfer immediatly with one of the public addresses already in the wallet effectiely immediately moving all coins at private key address to address in your wallet
770 2011-10-22 21:10:43 <ianthius> has this been discussed?
771 2011-10-22 21:10:48 <imsaguy> it should be left up to the user what to do with it
772 2011-10-22 21:10:56 <imsaguy> there might be times where you dont want an auto transfer to a new address
773 2011-10-22 21:11:31 <gmaxwell> imsaguy: unfortunately the user often doesn't really know what they want.
774 2011-10-22 21:11:50 <imsaguy> that doesn't mean it should be coded to that
775 2011-10-22 21:11:55 <ianthius> imsaguy, i think that is more complicated because you would need to build a transaction history for that key and add the key to your wallet
776 2011-10-22 21:12:04 <gmaxwell> handling imports by instant-transfer also cleans up some of the issues with history management that crop up.
777 2011-10-22 21:12:18 <imsaguy> yes and no
778 2011-10-22 21:12:26 <imsaguy> on the import, you gotta do a rescan anyway
779 2011-10-22 21:12:53 <gmaxwell> yea.. it's really terrible.. you import a key and it has a history.. what do you do with the history?  what happens if some of the send txn in its history have multiple inputs, some of which you don't have?
780 2011-10-22 21:13:09 <imsaguy> thats why there should be options
781 2011-10-22 21:13:15 <imsaguy> if you are recovering your wallet, you might want the history
782 2011-10-22 21:13:20 <gmaxwell> If you transfer the full balance on the import then you just show the incoming transaction for that and none of the history.
783 2011-10-22 21:13:24 <imsaguy> if you are importing a new 'coin' you might not
784 2011-10-22 21:13:54 <gmaxwell> imsaguy: unless you happen to get all the keys the history is probably not rationally importable due to the aformentioned split inputs.
785 2011-10-22 21:14:43 <gmaxwell> Otherwise you end up with crap like a negative balance due to spending inputs you never owned.
786 2011-10-22 21:16:02 <gmaxwell> also, you don't really need a full rescan if you do a transfer, you just need to check the set of open txn but not the full bitcoin history.
787 2011-10-22 21:16:30 <gmaxwell> We don't have a fast way to do that today but its fundimentally easier and a full scan is not possible if you have a pruned chain.
788 2011-10-22 21:18:37 <gmaxwell> adding an index of addresses to live inputs might only add a dozen mb to the disk usage, if you'r willing to make importing a bit slower due to lossy indexing... it would be a lot bigger for the full history.
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793 2011-10-22 21:25:19 <phantomcircuit> if anybody is interested i am rapidly adapting bitcoin-alt (python client) to use epoll (or select)
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795 2011-10-22 21:33:45 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Nils Schneider  * r38a9edb / (src/qt/locale/bitcoin_es_CL.ts src/qt/locale/bitcoin_nb.ts): update translations: nb, es_CL (from transifex) - http://git.io/NvUqvw
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811 2011-10-22 21:54:28 <edcba> casascius: nice coins, is there some picture with where is stored the private key ?
812 2011-10-22 21:56:00 <gmaxwell> edcba: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41892.0  see second picture
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816 2011-10-22 22:00:14 <edcba> i bet is already out of stock
817 2011-10-22 22:02:46 <CIA-101> bitcoin: phantomcircuit * rec3bef86c559 bitcoin-alt/ (8 files in 3 dirs): initial work to switch to epoll based system
818 2011-10-22 22:02:53 <gmaxwell> Hm? no it's not out of stock.
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823 2011-10-22 22:10:15 <edcba> maybe i should buy some
824 2011-10-22 22:10:24 <edcba> just have to find where to send them lol
825 2011-10-22 22:11:07 <gmaxwell> oh, if thats your only issue — feel free to send them to me.
826 2011-10-22 22:13:10 <edcba> "Sorry, I am only accepting Bitcoins for payment for this item at this time, not dollars."
827 2011-10-22 22:13:14 <edcba> lol
828 2011-10-22 22:13:50 <edcba> i feel so sorry for him not accepting paypal payments ! :)
829 2011-10-22 22:14:21 <gmaxwell> creates a business for everone else.
830 2011-10-22 22:15:54 <edcba> i hope he doesn't generate private keys on some online computer...
831 2011-10-22 22:17:04 <bd_> the problem with those coins is you need to trust the coin minter to actually erase the private key after printing
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833 2011-10-22 22:17:23 <gmaxwell> Yep.
834 2011-10-22 22:17:26 <bd_> as well as trust them to actually include the private key
835 2011-10-22 22:17:31 <gmaxwell> Yep.
836 2011-10-22 22:18:06 <bd_> fiat currency coins work because the government guarentees exchange between any current denomination of coin/bill, that takes a lot of trust to pull off here :/
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838 2011-10-22 22:18:12 <bd_> and the additional cost doesn't help
839 2011-10-22 22:18:13 <gmaxwell> Fortunately, in his case he's building a lot of business for bitcoin. If his reputation stays good and bitcoin grows in success he will make a lot of money
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841 2011-10-22 22:23:11 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * ra7622f9364eb / (4 files in 2 dirs): Significant speedup of block validation by caching block info for connect_input
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858 2011-10-22 22:58:25 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
859 2011-10-22 22:58:25 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoind-Sanitytest build #66: FIXED in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoind-Sanitytest/66/
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868 2011-10-22 23:12:47 <CIA-101> bitcoin: phantomcircuit * r666a495561f5 bitcoin-alt/ (8 files in 4 dirs): functional epoll based implementation (still missing tons of stuff
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