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15 2011-10-28 00:28:42 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rd8770654f5db cgminer/configure.ac: Add x86_64 w64 mingw32 target courtesy of dukrat.
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21 2011-10-28 00:34:04 <BlueMatt> graingert: ping
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23 2011-10-28 00:35:33 <graingert> pong
24 2011-10-28 00:35:50 <BlueMatt> do you have a launchpad account?
25 2011-10-28 00:35:55 <graingert> I do
26 2011-10-28 00:36:03 <BlueMatt> name?
27 2011-10-28 00:36:21 <graingert> https://launchpad.net/~tagrain
28 2011-10-28 00:36:27 <BlueMatt> <gribble> Sent 6 hours and 17 minutes ago: <gavinandresen> (graingert)... so I trust him.
29 2011-10-28 00:36:44 <BlueMatt> added
30 2011-10-28 00:36:54 <graingert> fair enough
31 2011-10-28 00:36:56 <BlueMatt> you should now be able to push to ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
32 2011-10-28 00:36:58 <graingert> thanks :)
33 2011-10-28 00:37:08 <BlueMatt> (the scripts I use are on my debian-build branch)
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36 2011-10-28 00:37:33 <BlueMatt> ask if you need the miniupnpc stuff (Im too lazy to package that up nicely...)
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38 2011-10-28 00:38:25 <graingert> it might be an idea to grab ~stretch
39 2011-10-28 00:38:52 <graingert> for the build team
40 2011-10-28 00:38:55 <graingert> as he's been doing fine so far
41 2011-10-28 00:39:05 <graingert> well he's gone on holiday recently
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48 2011-10-28 00:42:27 <BlueMatt> thanks launchpad: "Hello Matt Corallo, graingert (tagrain) has been added as a member of Bitcoin (bitcoin) by Matt Corallo (bluematt)"
49 2011-10-28 00:42:34 <BlueMatt> oh really, I added someone?
50 2011-10-28 00:42:37 <BlueMatt> I didnt realize that
51 2011-10-28 00:42:53 <graingert> :p
52 2011-10-28 00:43:10 <BlueMatt> in other news, the oneiric build is broken because they dont have libdb4.8++-dev, only libdb4.8-dev...
53 2011-10-28 00:43:13 <graingert> BlueMatt: I guess it's in case someone gets authed as you
54 2011-10-28 00:43:39 <BlueMatt> and I cant decide whether to upload a copy of it, or link bitcoin against libdb5.1++-dev
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58 2011-10-28 00:44:10 <graingert> http://packages.ubuntu.com/libdb4.8++ is down for me
59 2011-10-28 00:44:15 <BlueMatt> comments, questions?
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62 2011-10-28 00:44:32 <BlueMatt> is down for you?
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64 2011-10-28 00:44:41 <graingert> I'd rather have less packages installed per repo
65 2011-10-28 00:44:58 <graingert> less packages in each repo
66 2011-10-28 00:45:00 <BlueMatt> I agree, but Im also very against linking against libdb5.1
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68 2011-10-28 00:45:22 <graingert> can you discover the reason for pulling 4.8++
69 2011-10-28 00:45:33 <BlueMatt> I googled a bit, but didnt find anything
70 2011-10-28 00:45:39 <BlueMatt> would probably have to ask the maintainer...
71 2011-10-28 00:46:01 <graingert> can I vote for renaming the bitcoin ppa, dev
72 2011-10-28 00:46:19 <BlueMatt> you mean rename bitcoin/bitcoin to like bitcoin/bitcoin-dev?
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74 2011-10-28 00:46:29 <graingert> I was thinking bitcoin/dev
75 2011-10-28 00:46:47 <BlueMatt> but the idea is to link bitcoin/bitcoin for people to use
76 2011-10-28 00:46:53 <graingert> yep
77 2011-10-28 00:46:57 <BlueMatt> (on the download page)
78 2011-10-28 00:46:57 <graingert> that would be for release
79 2011-10-28 00:47:02 <BlueMatt> so its not a dev repo...
80 2011-10-28 00:47:16 <graingert> well currently it's RC
81 2011-10-28 00:47:22 <BlueMatt> (the only reason there are rcs now is because I dont want to do 0.4)
82 2011-10-28 00:47:35 <BlueMatt> so Im just gonna upgrade it when 0.5 hits beta
83 2011-10-28 00:47:57 <graingert> okay, just uncomfortable with having dev builds in what will be the release PPA
84 2011-10-28 00:48:10 <BlueMatt> I would say its fine
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86 2011-10-28 00:48:21 <BlueMatt> (isnt it the way the chrome ppa is?)
87 2011-10-28 00:48:41 <graingert> really what need to be discussed is a release schedule
88 2011-10-28 00:48:42 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * r9b26b10b5833 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Bitcoin address from private key.
89 2011-10-28 00:48:47 <BlueMatt> as long as its bitcoin-qt bitcoin-qt-beta and bitcoin-qt-unstable or similar
90 2011-10-28 00:48:48 <graingert> then we can work out what we want from this
91 2011-10-28 00:49:02 <BlueMatt> its up to you really
92 2011-10-28 00:49:09 <BlueMatt> I have time to do releases, but...
93 2011-10-28 00:49:11 <lfm> repo? or distro?
94 2011-10-28 00:49:16 <graingert> lfm: repo
95 2011-10-28 00:49:23 <lfm> whats a repo?
96 2011-10-28 00:49:24 <BlueMatt> lfm: bitcoin ppa
97 2011-10-28 00:49:32 <BlueMatt> personal package archive
98 2011-10-28 00:49:34 <BlueMatt> (for apt-get)
99 2011-10-28 00:49:35 <graingert> ah
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101 2011-10-28 00:49:52 <graingert> I forgot what the a was for a moment
102 2011-10-28 00:49:57 <BlueMatt> ...g2g
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104 2011-10-28 00:50:02 <graingert> fair enough
105 2011-10-28 00:50:06 <graingert> lol
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107 2011-10-28 00:51:13 <graingert> gavinandresen: is there any discussion for a release schedule?
108 2011-10-28 00:52:29 <graingert> BlueMatt and I are leaning on a chrome-esque repo system
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110 2011-10-28 00:53:14 <graingert> it would be neat if we could get this to mesh nicely with a release schedule
111 2011-10-28 00:53:25 <graingert> (imho)
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183 2011-10-28 03:03:33 <shadders> argh! Any news on the wiki?
184 2011-10-28 03:04:05 <neofutur> should soon be up again
185 2011-10-28 03:04:15 <neofutur> datacenter migration and routing issues
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206 2011-10-28 03:29:00 <dub> heh, miration issues, and routing and my dog ate it
207 2011-10-28 03:29:12 <dub> likely stories
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209 2011-10-28 03:29:27 <cocktopus> the dog ate my router
210 2011-10-28 03:29:48 <cocktopus> i heard thirdhand that the dc cooling system had a leak all over their rack
211 2011-10-28 03:29:54 <cocktopus> or something
212 2011-10-28 03:30:00 <dub> maybe one of the trucks stopped to let a dog cross the tube
213 2011-10-28 03:30:55 <cocktopus> anyways, its behind the same anti-ddos as mtgox is, so its not down due to ddos
214 2011-10-28 03:31:17 <kiba`> they are trying to extort mtgox?
215 2011-10-28 03:31:25 <cocktopus> the gox hosts the wiki
216 2011-10-28 03:31:37 <kiba`> so they are trying to extort mtgox!
217 2011-10-28 03:32:19 <cocktopus> yeah, with a cooling system that randomly springs a leak in just the right rack
218 2011-10-28 03:32:20 <kiba`> maybe they will try next to extort the hosting business behind it
219 2011-10-28 03:32:22 <cocktopus> likely story
220 2011-10-28 03:33:30 <kiba`> time to escape to sleep
221 2011-10-28 03:34:05 <dub> \ to & ?
222 2011-10-28 03:34:13 <dub> nevermind
223 2011-10-28 03:34:57 <cocktopus> cheers
224 2011-10-28 03:35:05 <cocktopus> hitting the hay also
225 2011-10-28 03:37:17 <neofutur> (05:16) < cocktopus> i heard thirdhand that the dc cooling system had a leak all over their rack
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227 2011-10-28 03:37:20 <neofutur> thats it
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257 2011-10-28 04:16:45 <[1]Denis> Hi all
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260 2011-10-28 04:17:08 <[1]Denis> Is there a library to integrate bitcoin payments into applications?
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524 2011-10-28 10:58:43 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * r74fe352ce7b0 / (7 files in 3 dirs): (input.hash, input.index) -> (input.previous_output.hash, input.previous_output.index) for clarity.
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533 2011-10-28 11:13:44 <UukGoblin> bitcoin.it down?
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535 2011-10-28 11:14:24 <DrHaribo> been down for days
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576 2011-10-28 11:58:42 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * r59d4b7f0d998 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Temporary address helper functions (address.hpp).
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652 2011-10-28 13:52:27 <FellowTraveler1> Hi all.
653 2011-10-28 13:53:53 <FellowTraveler1> Today is the day I add scripting to OT.
654 2011-10-28 13:54:00 <FellowTraveler1> WIsh me luck.
655 2011-10-28 13:57:24 <lianj> good luck
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675 2011-10-28 14:19:46 <BlueMatt> morning everyone
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737 2011-10-28 16:07:34 <slush> is there some website listing transactions not yet included in blocks?
738 2011-10-28 16:08:29 <gmaxwell> slush: yes. http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
739 2011-10-28 16:09:26 <gmaxwell> slush: though it won't list ones that didn't even make it to the monitoring node, of course.
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744 2011-10-28 16:20:19 <BlueMatt> ;;later tell graingert set up a second ppa for libdb4.8++-dev and set the bitcoin one to depend on it for build (note that end users dont need this ppa as only libdb4.8++-dev was removed not libdb4.8)
745 2011-10-28 16:20:19 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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756 2011-10-28 16:33:01 <slush> gmaxwell: thanks
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775 2011-10-28 17:07:35 <snimpy> ;;bc,diffchange
776 2011-10-28 17:07:37 <gribble> Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | -17.1029909894 % based on data since last change | -25.1708012959 % based on data for last three days
777 2011-10-28 17:08:00 <snimpy> ;;bc,estimate
778 2011-10-28 17:08:01 <gribble> 1217090.09559653
779 2011-10-28 17:08:39 <snimpy> ;;bc,timetonext
780 2011-10-28 17:09:30 <snimpy> ;;bc,stats
781 2011-10-28 17:09:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 150929 | Current Difficulty: 1468195.4272208 | Next Difficulty At Block: 151199 | Next Difficulty In: 270 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1217090.09559653 | Estimated Percent Change: -17.1029909894
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810 2011-10-28 18:03:57 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * rb3faf96f7c4a / (5 files in 3 dirs): Patch for occasional dropped hashContinue.
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839 2011-10-28 18:49:01 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: re: email...did you mean why there is no rc2 out yet, or do you plan on going from rc1 to release?
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841 2011-10-28 18:49:35 <BlueMatt> also, where are you with win32 builds?
842 2011-10-28 18:49:48 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ping
843 2011-10-28 18:50:03 <gavinandresen> Once everything will build on all platforms, I want to update all of the doc/build*.txt files to actually document how to build, then tag it rc2, rebuild, and hopefully that is the release
844 2011-10-28 18:50:16 <BlueMatt> m, fair enough
845 2011-10-28 18:51:13 <BlueMatt> also, where are you with win32 builds?
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847 2011-10-28 18:51:43 <gavinandresen> RE: win32 builds: I still haven't managed to get a win32 build that runs
848 2011-10-28 18:52:08 <gavinandresen> ... maybe because Qt comes with its own mingw toolchain....
849 2011-10-28 18:52:24 <gavinandresen> ... and I think I end up compiling dependencies with different versions of mingw
850 2011-10-28 18:52:39 <BlueMatt> yuck...
851 2011-10-28 18:52:48 <BlueMatt> it seems like its always easier to just xcompile...
852 2011-10-28 18:53:19 <gavinandresen> That's not a good way to attract windows developers, though.
853 2011-10-28 18:53:31 <gavinandresen> And I think we could use more windows developers.
854 2011-10-28 18:53:35 <BlueMatt> true...
855 2011-10-28 18:53:50 <BlueMatt> but others have compiled bitcoin-qt on win32, correct?
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857 2011-10-28 18:54:39 <gavinandresen> I hear they have. I grabbed Wladimir's dependencies bundle, but it didn't include miniupnpc, was an older version of boost, ....
858 2011-10-28 18:55:35 <BlueMatt> arg db4.8 builds take forever...test suite takes like 15 minutes alone...
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861 2011-10-28 18:56:05 <BlueMatt> in other news bitcoin ppa should be ready to go in the next couple hours (its already fine for everyone except oneiric users...)
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866 2011-10-28 18:58:05 <Eliel> BlueMatt: that ppa will be very nice. No more manual upgrades needed for me :)
867 2011-10-28 18:58:22 <BlueMatt> thats the idea
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869 2011-10-28 18:58:36 <BlueMatt> https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin/+packages
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871 2011-10-28 18:59:16 <Guest75201> BlueMatt: what was the fix for oneiric?
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874 2011-10-28 18:59:50 <BlueMatt> I left a gribble msg...but: set up a second ppa for libdb4.8++-dev and set the bitcoin one to depend on it for build (note that end users dont need this ppa as only libdb4.8++-dev was removed not libdb4.8)
875 2011-10-28 18:59:51 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: miron@google.com * r256 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/ (DownloadListener.java Peer.java): Notify even if nothing to download, resolves issue 90
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878 2011-10-28 19:00:10 <BlueMatt> though Im actually second-guessing that second part now...
879 2011-10-28 19:00:23 <BlueMatt> Im pretty sure every oneiric user will need it...
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881 2011-10-28 19:00:36 <graingert> get msgs
882 2011-10-28 19:00:53 <graingert> BlueMatt: Gribble has yet to notice me
883 2011-10-28 19:01:06 <BlueMatt> ask gribble ;;whoami
884 2011-10-28 19:01:18 <BlueMatt> actually, no that wont work...
885 2011-10-28 19:01:23 <BlueMatt> might have to /part /join
886 2011-10-28 19:01:35 <graingert> I /msg ed him
887 2011-10-28 19:01:40 <graingert> /her
888 2011-10-28 19:02:05 <graingert> BlueMatt: ah okay that's cool
889 2011-10-28 19:02:20 <graingert> it might be worth thinking about moving to the new lib
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893 2011-10-28 19:07:47 <graingert> does it break compatibility with the old format?
894 2011-10-28 19:10:57 <BlueMatt> yea
895 2011-10-28 19:11:06 <Eliel> if it does, it might be worthwhile to change the name of the wallet file the new version uses. So, the old wallet is safe in case things go wrong (or the user wants to return)
896 2011-10-28 19:11:20 <BlueMatt> I would just link against system default, but then wallets arent compatible between systems...
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898 2011-10-28 19:12:17 <BlueMatt> wouldnt be a big deal if it was like db4.7 vs db4.8, but its a major revision
899 2011-10-28 19:12:26 <BlueMatt> which means not only db logs but actual db files are incompatible
900 2011-10-28 19:14:26 <BlueMatt> the problem is db5.X is too new to start linking everything against it - many semi-old but still heavily used distros dont have db5.X
901 2011-10-28 19:17:13 <graingert> BlueMatt: Why is the wallet file a database? why not use a standard structured format
902 2011-10-28 19:17:20 <graingert> eg json/xml
903 2011-10-28 19:17:31 <BlueMatt> because thats what satoshi chose...
904 2011-10-28 19:17:34 <graingert> then parse it into a database format
905 2011-10-28 19:17:46 <graingert> well if you're going to break compatability with the old wallets
906 2011-10-28 19:17:59 <BlueMatt> seems like every month or so someone will decide we need to switch to (insert name of db/file format here)
907 2011-10-28 19:18:01 <graingert> it would be worth investigating a format that won't be mucked up by libs
908 2011-10-28 19:18:04 <BlueMatt> and will make a ton of noise...
909 2011-10-28 19:18:14 <BlueMatt> though its usually sqlite
910 2011-10-28 19:18:43 <graingert> the file format should be something that isn't going to changer
911 2011-10-28 19:18:46 <graingert> change*
912 2011-10-28 19:19:13 <graingert> it could be parsed into whatever format people want
913 2011-10-28 19:19:17 <BlueMatt> yea, that would be nice, but using xml isnt much of an option because we want things like commits, etc
914 2011-10-28 19:19:17 <graingert> and be called wallet.db
915 2011-10-28 19:19:32 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: pong
916 2011-10-28 19:19:40 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: what were your "comments" about the ppa?
917 2011-10-28 19:19:53 <BlueMatt> never got those and nanotbe said he didnt see any...
918 2011-10-28 19:19:53 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: none
919 2011-10-28 19:19:56 <BlueMatt> oh...
920 2011-10-28 19:20:10 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: just indicated general approval of you doing a ppa
921 2011-10-28 19:20:20 <BlueMatt> oh, ok nice
922 2011-10-28 19:20:28 <graingert> BlueMatt: what goes in the wallet other than key pairs?
923 2011-10-28 19:20:33 <graingert> It used to be everything
924 2011-10-28 19:20:44 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: the only point I was trying to make the other day was that ppa'ing should not add additional devteam burdens :)
925 2011-10-28 19:21:01 <BlueMatt> agreed
926 2011-10-28 19:21:07 <BlueMatt> graingert: txes
927 2011-10-28 19:21:10 <BlueMatt> settings
928 2011-10-28 19:21:13 <BlueMatt> (still)
929 2011-10-28 19:21:30 <BlueMatt> dont remember, go skim bitcointools src
930 2011-10-28 19:21:41 <graingert> BlueMatt: In that case I propose putting the keys and things in a wallet file
931 2011-10-28 19:22:01 <graingert> and then parsing that into a database.brk
932 2011-10-28 19:22:07 <BlueMatt> go for it...but for now libdb has to be repackaged into bitcoin/bitcoin...Ill do that later
933 2011-10-28 19:22:09 <graingert> that is system dependant
934 2011-10-28 19:22:31 <graingert> well if someone writes a spec
935 2011-10-28 19:22:31 <Diablo-D3> http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/10/28/st-micro-15-usd-stm32f4-discovery-cortex-m-development-kit/
936 2011-10-28 19:22:33 <Diablo-D3> ooh
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938 2011-10-28 19:22:40 <Diablo-D3> $15 cortex-m4 dev kit
939 2011-10-28 19:23:11 <graingert> BlueMatt: Sorry , a blueprint
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943 2011-10-28 19:24:51 <graingert> where do bitcoin blueprints go?
944 2011-10-28 19:25:36 <BlueMatt> BIPs I would say
945 2011-10-28 19:25:38 <imsaguy> so you want someone to build the VS binaries just to make sure they work?
946 2011-10-28 19:25:49 <imsaguy> I could do that.
947 2011-10-28 19:25:53 <graingert> BlueMatt: BIP?
948 2011-10-28 19:26:18 <graingert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIP
949 2011-10-28 19:26:21 <BlueMatt> yea
950 2011-10-28 19:26:30 <BlueMatt> actually, no file format doesnt belong there...
951 2011-10-28 19:26:35 <BlueMatt> I guess mailing list then
952 2011-10-28 19:26:46 * graingert has no idea what a BIP is
953 2011-10-28 19:26:55 <BlueMatt> Id say mailing list
954 2011-10-28 19:26:59 <Diablo-D3> bi-image plane?
955 2011-10-28 19:27:21 <BlueMatt> bbl, Ill finish the packaging then...
956 2011-10-28 19:27:27 <BlueMatt> (hopefully today...)
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958 2011-10-28 19:29:33 <graingert> BlueMatt: awesome
959 2011-10-28 19:29:47 <edcba> hmm why old versions harm my security ?
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961 2011-10-28 19:29:56 <graingert> edcba: no passphrase support
962 2011-10-28 19:30:02 <edcba> lol ok
963 2011-10-28 19:30:10 <edcba> didn't know it was added
964 2011-10-28 19:30:14 <graingert> and even older it might have security bugs
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966 2011-10-28 19:30:50 <edcba> yes i fear more security bugs than passphrase :)
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968 2011-10-28 19:31:08 <gmaxwell> Well, old verions will display and forward a certian kind of transaction which can never be mined.
969 2011-10-28 19:31:21 <gmaxwell> So you might be tricked into accepting a crap payment.
970 2011-10-28 19:31:31 <edcba> very old then i guess
971 2011-10-28 19:31:41 <gavinandresen> graingert: BIP == Bitcoin Improvement Proposal
972 2011-10-28 19:31:42 <graingert> only if you pay out on 0 confirms
973 2011-10-28 19:31:49 <gmaxwell> graingert: indeed.
974 2011-10-28 19:32:11 <graingert> gavinandresen: awesome, is that something formal somewhere?
975 2011-10-28 19:32:28 <gavinandresen> Ah, bitcoin wiki is back up
976 2011-10-28 19:32:51 <gavinandresen> graingert: see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Improvement_Proposals
977 2011-10-28 19:32:53 <graingert> gavinandresen: and can I get your opinion on having an interchangeable format for wallets?
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979 2011-10-28 19:33:13 <graingert> so we don't have issues with OS's not supporting different versions of berkley DB
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981 2011-10-28 19:33:32 <gavinandresen> graingert: you'll be trading one set of problems for another....
982 2011-10-28 19:33:40 <graingert> that's true
983 2011-10-28 19:33:49 <graingert> but I believe the problems would only be once
984 2011-10-28 19:33:59 <gavinandresen> graingert: a database is nice because you (should) get transactional integrity and disaster recovery.
985 2011-10-28 19:34:31 <graingert> my proposal was to parse this format into the db, the "wallet" file would only contain keys
986 2011-10-28 19:34:44 <gavinandresen> I'm generally against an easy-to-use-on-multiple-machines wallet format, because that will encourage people to do something unsupported-- try to use the same wallet on multiple machines at the same time
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988 2011-10-28 19:35:43 <graingert> in that case I'm changing my proposal
989 2011-10-28 19:35:54 <gavinandresen> I don't think ordinary users are very good at key management.... and I don't think "we" have thought hard enough about it, either
990 2011-10-28 19:36:10 <graingert> have an export system, that uses the standard ascii armored key format
991 2011-10-28 19:36:23 <graingert> replace every mention of backup your wallet
992 2011-10-28 19:36:27 <graingert> with export your keys
993 2011-10-28 19:36:39 <graingert> on the wiki
994 2011-10-28 19:38:09 <graingert> thoughts/feelings, gavinandresen?
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996 2011-10-28 19:38:32 <gavinandresen> graingert: knock yourself out, but that kind of stuff is WAAAY down my priority list. Mostly because I think most users are going to be running bitcoin via a web interface or on their mobile device
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999 2011-10-28 19:38:47 <gavinandresen> ... and those ways of running bitcoin will take care of handling their private keys for the user
1000 2011-10-28 19:39:13 <graingert> hmm
1001 2011-10-28 19:39:58 <graingert> gavinandresen: the thing is we are having the problem now
1002 2011-10-28 19:40:09 <gavinandresen> If you're a sophisticated computer geek who will know how to keep an ascii armored key format safe, then I don't really care about you. You can take care of yourself, if if that means backing up wallet.dat ....
1003 2011-10-28 19:40:34 <gavinandresen> Who are "we" and what is the problem?
1004 2011-10-28 19:40:50 <graingert> ubuntu oneiric has removed libdb4.8++-dev
1005 2011-10-28 19:41:39 <graingert> the current plan is to maintain walletdb compatibility by remaining with the old db format
1006 2011-10-28 19:42:29 <gavinandresen> What's the difference between db4.8++ and just db4.8 ?
1007 2011-10-28 19:42:44 <graingert> I'm not sure
1008 2011-10-28 19:42:49 <gavinandresen> (and does oneiric include the non-++ 4.8?)
1009 2011-10-28 19:43:19 <graingert> libdb4.8-dev is included
1010 2011-10-28 19:43:22 <gavinandresen> If we're looking for easy solutions, seems to me using non-++ 4.8 would be shortest-path
1011 2011-10-28 19:43:45 <graingert> but if people switch to this ppa they will get problems
1012 2011-10-28 19:43:46 <gavinandresen> (and making whatever code changes are necessary)
1013 2011-10-28 19:43:49 <graingert> with their wallet
1014 2011-10-28 19:44:27 <gavinandresen> 4.8++ is just c++ wrappers on top of the c 4.8.... I think? (I don't actually know for sure)
1015 2011-10-28 19:44:37 <graingert> I believe so
1016 2011-10-28 19:44:39 <Diablo-D3> yes
1017 2011-10-28 19:44:53 <graingert> in that case a c program could be written that would port the formats over
1018 2011-10-28 19:45:03 <gavinandresen> db format should be the same
1019 2011-10-28 19:45:13 <gavinandresen> ... just might have to change some code
1020 2011-10-28 19:45:17 <graingert> not between 4.8 and 5.1 according to BlueMatt
1021 2011-10-28 19:45:28 <gavinandresen> I'm saying use db4.8.
1022 2011-10-28 19:45:39 <graingert> rather than db4.8++
1023 2011-10-28 19:45:44 <gavinandresen> right
1024 2011-10-28 19:45:47 <graingert> hmm
1025 2011-10-28 19:46:08 <Diablo-D3> the C++ API is identical to the C API
1026 2011-10-28 19:46:19 <gavinandresen> Then it should be easy to port.
1027 2011-10-28 19:46:25 <Diablo-D3> guess what bitches, C is an OO language!
1028 2011-10-28 19:46:34 <graingert> SO
1029 2011-10-28 19:47:34 <graingert> (Struct orientated)
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1031 2011-10-28 19:53:06 <graingert> gavinandresen: currently going for a PPA dependency on a PPAC containing libdb4.8++-dev
1032 2011-10-28 19:53:11 <graingert> as this is the quickest fix
1033 2011-10-28 19:53:55 <gavinandresen> graingert: cool.
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1052 2011-10-28 20:31:14 <Eliel> who was it who was running bitcointalk.org forums? There's quite a few old links in the messages there that still link to the old forum, like this one: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=847.0 would it be possible to automatically find them from old messages and convert them? They're somewhat annoying.
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1054 2011-10-28 20:36:59 <graingert> Eliel: try #bitcoin
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1059 2011-10-28 20:53:13 * BlueMatt is getting segfaults building default bitcoin-qt...
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1061 2011-10-28 20:55:54 <graingert> BlueMatt: Is that the PPA build?
1062 2011-10-28 20:56:47 <BlueMatt> its a build I did myself (via debuild) so...half
1063 2011-10-28 20:56:55 <BlueMatt> (on oneiric)
1064 2011-10-28 20:56:56 <graingert> odd
1065 2011-10-28 20:57:16 <graingert> is that with your libdb4.8++-dev ppa?
1066 2011-10-28 20:57:24 <BlueMatt> yes
1067 2011-10-28 20:57:51 <graingert> hang on you get a segfault _building_
1068 2011-10-28 20:58:00 <BlueMatt> no, running
1069 2011-10-28 20:58:12 <graingert> damn
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1071 2011-10-28 21:00:27 <c_k> Eliel: post in the Meta subforum
1072 2011-10-28 21:03:21 <BlueMatt> "0x08174e84 in ClientModel::getOptionsModel()"
1073 2011-10-28 21:03:26 <BlueMatt> Segfault
1074 2011-10-28 21:05:03 <BlueMatt> heh, its already been reported...
1075 2011-10-28 21:06:48 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: and...the first blocker :)
1076 2011-10-28 21:07:14 <gavinandresen> What is it a bug in?
1077 2011-10-28 21:07:22 <BlueMatt> either qt or bitcoin-qt
1078 2011-10-28 21:07:31 <BlueMatt> not entirely sure...
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1080 2011-10-28 21:07:58 <BlueMatt> but googleing only shows up someone reporting a similar bug on here
1081 2011-10-28 21:08:14 <gavinandresen> sigh.
1082 2011-10-28 21:09:05 <BlueMatt> at least it (would appear to be) easy to reproduce...just install 11.10
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1085 2011-10-28 21:11:32 <graingert> BlueMatt: Link?
1086 2011-10-28 21:11:43 <BlueMatt> http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2011/10/19/4
1087 2011-10-28 21:11:51 <BlueMatt> cntrl-f " ClientModel::getOptionsModel()"
1088 2011-10-28 21:12:13 <graingert> so it does
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1153 2011-10-28 22:46:27 <Disposition> ThomasV: cinfu is sitting on  Hetzner Online and their rep is decent
1154 2011-10-28 22:46:41 <ThomasV> huh?
1155 2011-10-28 22:47:17 BlueMatt has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
1156 2011-10-28 22:47:18 <Disposition> cinfu is hosted on and buy  Hetzner Online, another hosting company
1157 2011-10-28 22:47:30 <Disposition> by*
1158 2011-10-28 22:47:54 <ThomasV> oh that's in response to me this morning?
1159 2011-10-28 22:48:04 <Disposition> ay, I just scrolled over
1160 2011-10-28 22:48:12 <ThomasV> my vps was down, but they fixed it
1161 2011-10-28 22:48:12 <ThomasV> ty
1162 2011-10-28 22:48:23 <Disposition> k ;)
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1185 2011-10-28 23:18:11 <Diablo-D3> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/invisible-glass-may-solve-screen-reflection-problems-20111028/
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1187 2011-10-28 23:18:12 <Diablo-D3> DOWANT
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1190 2011-10-28 23:21:13 <imsaguy> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/research-team-create-transistors-using-cotton-fibers-20111028/
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1193 2011-10-28 23:22:19 <Diablo-D3> imsaguy: saw that one
1194 2011-10-28 23:22:20 <Diablo-D3> its lol
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1211 2011-10-28 23:45:30 <graingert> !later tell BlueMatt bitcoin-qt : Depends: libdb4.8++ but it is not installable
1212 2011-10-28 23:45:30 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
1213 2011-10-28 23:46:02 <graingert> !later tell BlueMatt it looks like you're going to have to change to libdb5.1++ or libdb4.8 on the PPA
1214 2011-10-28 23:46:02 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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