1 2011-11-01 00:00:29 <da2ce7> UukGoblin, no
   2 2011-11-01 00:01:04 <da2ce7> we can have the issuer and the server both require a signture of the cash-withdrawal of an asset.
   3 2011-11-01 00:02:18 <da2ce7> however that isn't implmented in OT yet.
   4 2011-11-01 00:03:00 <UukGoblin> da2ce7, you're saying apart from Alice, Bob, Charlie and Server, there's also Issuer?
   5 2011-11-01 00:03:10 <da2ce7> of course.
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   8 2011-11-01 00:03:37 <da2ce7> the server dosn't make the asset; a issuer dose.... That may be Alice, Bob, or Charlie
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  11 2011-11-01 00:04:01 <UukGoblin> so Issuer would have to be malicious and cooperate with Server and Alice?
  12 2011-11-01 00:04:22 <da2ce7> yes... but what it the point? That would make the issuer's asset worthless.
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  14 2011-11-01 00:04:32 <da2ce7> and the issuer could just do it by-itslef by issuer more of the asset.
  15 2011-11-01 00:04:38 <UukGoblin> if issuer is bitcoin...
  16 2011-11-01 00:04:43 <UukGoblin> then there is no central issuer
  17 2011-11-01 00:05:13 <da2ce7> no... sombody stills need to hold the bitcoin in escow
  18 2011-11-01 00:05:39 <da2ce7> this means that many different issuers can use the same OT server, yet, the server cannot cheat the by scaming people out of their coins. (throogh asset inflation)
  19 2011-11-01 00:05:53 <batouzo> actually I will hold the bitcoins in escrow
  20 2011-11-01 00:06:28 <batouzo> Issuer can make 100 bitcoin assets and then ask 3rd party auditor to verify them
  21 2011-11-01 00:06:36 <batouzo> and auditor will sign only 100 assets
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  23 2011-11-01 00:06:57 <batouzo> then issuer can not spawn 100000 hist-btc-assets out of no-where
  24 2011-11-01 00:07:02 <batouzo> *his-btc-assets
  25 2011-11-01 00:07:16 <UukGoblin> brb, booting my rig up
  26 2011-11-01 00:07:26 <batouzo> UukGoblin: you still mining? ;)
  27 2011-11-01 00:07:31 <da2ce7> UukGoblin, however I don't expect you (or anyone other than batouzo know about these features yet), as they are still in development/planning and not even on git yet.
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  29 2011-11-01 00:07:51 <batouzo> I have it in my private git >_>
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  34 2011-11-01 00:11:22 <batouzo> on anonymous money creation the server signs the tokens and the issuer/auditor so there is no inflation on asset(signed) ---> blinded token of cash step
  35 2011-11-01 00:11:35 <batouzo> da2ce7's idea :P
  36 2011-11-01 00:11:41 <da2ce7> :)
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  38 2011-11-01 00:12:25 * da2ce7 thinks that we need to include this in the auiditing proticol.
  39 2011-11-01 00:12:53 <da2ce7> we can make it a new type of OT cash.  "Issuer Audited Cash Token"
  40 2011-11-01 00:13:40 <da2ce7> insted of doing the auditing after the fact, we cand do it when the cash gets created.
  41 2011-11-01 00:13:57 <da2ce7> 'just in time auditing'
  42 2011-11-01 00:15:27 <Eliel> da2ce7: oh, you're involved with OT?
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  44 2011-11-01 00:15:39 <da2ce7> sure.
  45 2011-11-01 00:16:19 <da2ce7> we have some OT software that we are going to release quite soon. :)
  46 2011-11-01 00:16:34 <Eliel> graingert: the bitcoin packages on the PPA. The description says the needed space is 150+MB. It's a minor thing but might be nice to update the minimum :)
  47 2011-11-01 00:16:57 <da2ce7> conference.bitgroups.org/
  48 2011-11-01 00:17:08 <Eliel> Aah :)
  49 2011-11-01 00:17:20 <da2ce7> ^ Eliel, I'm speaking on OT at the confrence.
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  53 2011-11-01 00:18:33 <Eliel> da2ce7: Ah :)
  54 2011-11-01 00:19:19 <batouzo> quite soon hopefully =)
  55 2011-11-01 00:19:46 <da2ce7> at very least we will have a demo ready for the confrence.
  56 2011-11-01 00:20:07 <Eliel> sounds great :)
  57 2011-11-01 00:20:19 <da2ce7> (public demo)
  58 2011-11-01 00:20:21 <Eliel> I'm looking forward to seeing what new things pop up.
  59 2011-11-01 00:20:28 <da2ce7> not just a slideshow.
  60 2011-11-01 00:20:43 <batouzo> an actual power point presentation instead!
  61 2011-11-01 00:20:57 <batouzo> there might be a working portal too btw
  62 2011-11-01 00:21:06 <da2ce7> lol
  63 2011-11-01 00:21:35 * da2ce7 will trade a OT_Fat_Chick asset with batouzo for a OT_hamburger.
  64 2011-11-01 00:22:29 <graingert> Eliel: ah yes
  65 2011-11-01 00:22:43 <graingert> now that we are over 1GB
  66 2011-11-01 00:23:03 <graingert> I'll probably wait till the debian control files get pulled
  67 2011-11-01 00:23:29 <graingert> tbh it's probably not worth mentioning it at all
  68 2011-11-01 00:23:33 <graingert> as it will keep going up
  69 2011-11-01 00:24:03 <Eliel> it's a good idea to mention something though.
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 486 2011-11-01 09:23:31 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * e9cc76d7ba10 r180 / (19 files in 11 dirs): - 1st working version with coinbase donations. See http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/00000000032326c542b685ad99754e0238ec26e3528643f797666bb148980fe1
 487 2011-11-01 09:23:31 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * 254ff2b49c43 r181 /poolserverj-main/src/main/java/com/shadworld/poolserver/source/merged/JsonRpcMergeMiningDaemonHandler.java: abstracted getauxpow function so we can implement a native version.
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 736 2011-11-01 15:04:09 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r2f91039 / contrib/gitian-descriptors/qt-win32.yml : Add gitian descriptor for qt cross compile via MinGW. - http://git.io/rHZMPw
 737 2011-11-01 15:04:09 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * rfca0e79 / contrib/gitian-descriptors/gitian-win32.yml : Update Win32 gitian descriptor for bitcoin-qt. - http://git.io/AQnqsA
 738 2011-11-01 15:04:09 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Wladimir J. van der Laan master * r533c82c / bitcoin-qt.pro : do not use -fstack-protector on Windows - http://git.io/sMegkQ
 739 2011-11-01 15:04:09 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Wladimir J. van der Laan master * r8fb6134 / contrib/gitian-descriptors/gitian-win32.yml : attempt to make build deterministic - http://git.io/qGdCCg
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 770 2011-11-01 16:19:39 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: ...webchat flaked out... (my house still has no power, I'm working at my in-laws...)
 771 2011-11-01 16:19:52 <BlueMatt> <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: for qt what needs to happen is someone needs to make one zip that they distribute and everyone uses (since qt build isnt deterministic yet...)
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 773 2011-11-01 16:20:00 <BlueMatt> <BlueMatt> the other gitian scripts in contrib/
 774 2011-11-01 16:20:00 <BlueMatt> <BlueMatt> (copy the resulting zip to inputs from build/out)
 775 2011-11-01 16:20:00 <BlueMatt> <BlueMatt> though that only half applies to qt...
 776 2011-11-01 16:20:03 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ^
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 778 2011-11-01 16:20:54 <gavinandresen> contrib/gitian-descriptors/boost-win32.yml and qt-win32.yml ....
 779 2011-11-01 16:21:04 <BlueMatt> yes
 780 2011-11-01 16:21:26 <BlueMatt> they both produce a zip in build/out after run, which can then be copied to inputs
 781 2011-11-01 16:21:59 <gavinandresen> OK, I'll update the release-process document.  What about the openssl and db-4.8 .tar.gzs?
 782 2011-11-01 16:22:13 <BlueMatt> those should just be the source you download from their website
 783 2011-11-01 16:22:22 <BlueMatt> (the bitcoin descriptor does the db+openssl building)
 784 2011-11-01 16:22:29 <gavinandresen> ... but gitian doesn't automatically fetch those....
 785 2011-11-01 16:22:34 <BlueMatt> correct
 786 2011-11-01 16:22:39 <gavinandresen> okey doke.  Thanks
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 870 2011-11-01 18:20:59 <BlueMatt> TD: is the author of bitcoin-wallet on irc?
 871 2011-11-01 18:21:08 <TD> don't think so
 872 2011-11-01 18:21:25 <BlueMatt> darn, so much quicker than email...oh well
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 956 2011-11-01 20:06:54 <dikidera> ;;seen andrew12
 957 2011-11-01 20:06:54 <gribble> andrew12 was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 20 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 16 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
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 961 2011-11-01 20:08:31 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 3 hours, 45 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> okey doke.  Thanks
 962 2011-11-01 20:09:35 <dikidera> BlueMatt
 963 2011-11-01 20:10:05 <dikidera> i am having an odd problem in compiling bitcoind. From a file called /usr/include/db_cxx.h i get an error of a missing iostream.h
 964 2011-11-01 20:10:18 <BlueMatt> thats something you will have to google...
 965 2011-11-01 20:10:22 <dikidera> oh i googled
 966 2011-11-01 20:10:30 <BlueMatt> as its not related to bitcoin
 967 2011-11-01 20:10:30 <dikidera> Another used had the exact same problem with bitcoind
 968 2011-11-01 20:10:54 <ageis> dikidera: iostream.h is central to C++...
 969 2011-11-01 20:10:54 <dikidera> i also cant find libdb4.7++-dev
 970 2011-11-01 20:10:57 <jgarzik> broken C++ install
 971 2011-11-01 20:11:06 <jgarzik> iostream is basic C++
 972 2011-11-01 20:11:20 <BlueMatt> bitcoin upgraded to libdb4.8 a while ago...
 973 2011-11-01 20:11:22 <ageis> exactly
 974 2011-11-01 20:11:24 <BlueMatt> or was that just for 0.4?
 975 2011-11-01 20:11:26 <dikidera> its for an old install
 976 2011-11-01 20:11:34 <dikidera> well, not so old
 977 2011-11-01 20:11:36 <dikidera> 0.3.24
 978 2011-11-01 20:11:41 <BlueMatt> whatever, any libdb*++-dev will work
 979 2011-11-01 20:11:46 <jgarzik> indeed
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 982 2011-11-01 20:12:57 <dikidera> I cant find any ++ packages
 983 2011-11-01 20:13:05 <BlueMatt> then you are on oneiric
 984 2011-11-01 20:13:10 <dikidera> right
 985 2011-11-01 20:13:28 <dikidera> What do i do then?
 986 2011-11-01 20:13:35 <BlueMatt> oneiric removed all libdb4.*++ packages
 987 2011-11-01 20:13:39 <BlueMatt> but 5.1 is still there
 988 2011-11-01 20:13:44 <dikidera> will it work?
 989 2011-11-01 20:13:52 <BlueMatt> "any libdb*++-dev will work"
 990 2011-11-01 20:14:32 <dikidera> ok no error anymore
 991 2011-11-01 20:14:38 <dikidera> See, it was bitcoin related
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 993 2011-11-01 20:15:23 <dikidera> Yup, double confirming it compiles now
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 996 2011-11-01 20:22:15 <dikidera> Though i have to say that compiling bitcoind takes anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes
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1003 2011-11-01 20:35:49 <dikidera> well its either hung on me
1004 2011-11-01 20:35:54 <dikidera> or its still is compiling rpc.cpp
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1074 2011-11-01 21:29:22 <MartianW> m
1075 2011-11-01 21:29:32 <MartianW> Oops.
1076 2011-11-01 21:30:35 <graingert> b0rd
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1078 2011-11-01 21:30:43 <graingert> MartianW: heya
1079 2011-11-01 21:31:02 <MartianW> Hello graingert.
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1084 2011-11-01 21:35:31 <graingert> how's the party
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1198 2011-11-01 23:48:18 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
1199 2011-11-01 23:48:18 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 7 hours, 25 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> okey doke.  Thanks
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