1 2011-11-16 00:00:26 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: rather than worrying about distributing dynamic binaries, we should worry about making it trivial to build from source.
2 2011-11-16 00:01:02 <gjs278> this is true
3 2011-11-16 00:01:09 <gjs278> everytime I edit the makefile I die
4 2011-11-16 00:01:24 <Matt_von_Mises> I added an email field.
5 2011-11-16 00:01:40 <Matt_von_Mises> Just put in an email and I'll try to email the result off.
6 2011-11-16 00:01:49 <gmaxwell> gjs278: I mean, e.g. not requring versions of libraries that people don't have.. the move off WX was a major advance in that direction.
7 2011-11-16 00:02:07 <gjs278> I only build bitcoind either way
8 2011-11-16 00:02:49 <gmaxwell> likewise, but .. oh wow, I actually care about people other than me. I guess I'm one of those horrible selfless people, Ayn Rand would be ashamed of me. I should just go kill myself now.
9 2011-11-16 00:02:50 <molecular> Matt_von_Mises, I hope it's optional
10 2011-11-16 00:02:58 <Matt_von_Mises> Of-course
11 2011-11-16 00:03:02 <Matt_von_Mises> Every question is optional
12 2011-11-16 00:03:14 <molecular> k
13 2011-11-16 00:03:36 <molecular> Matt_von_Mises, can you make a thread in the forums now, so I can subscribe to it?
14 2011-11-16 00:03:49 <molecular> otherwise I will surely miss the results
15 2011-11-16 00:03:52 <Matt_von_Mises> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51967.0
16 2011-11-16 00:03:55 <Matt_von_Mises> Just did it
17 2011-11-16 00:04:05 <molecular> nice ;)
18 2011-11-16 00:04:13 <molecular> we're in the wrong channel to discuss this
19 2011-11-16 00:05:56 <parus> gmaxwell: fyi, if you missed it: it works fine w/o -nodnsseed
20 2011-11-16 00:07:11 <gmaxwell> obviously luke filled out the survey.
21 2011-11-16 00:07:14 <gmaxwell> parus: Thanks!
22 2011-11-16 00:07:43 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: we might want to add the the 0.5 release notes that for users where .24 and .4 hung on startup, .5 does not.
23 2011-11-16 00:08:50 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: do we know what the problem is? bad dns seed?
24 2011-11-16 00:09:21 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I already did.
25 2011-11-16 00:09:48 <gmaxwell> Yes, dnsseed has a bug (which is not fixed yet) where if the request hands the client doesn't startup. Older versions have a DNSseed that returns oversized results that force TCP, which causes the aformentioned hangs.
26 2011-11-16 00:10:06 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: yes, I know you did, I see the request for better tonal support. ;)
27 2011-11-16 00:10:07 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: no, bad ISPs
28 2011-11-16 00:10:26 <gmaxwell> 0.5 omits that seed, which hides the bug.
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30 2011-11-16 00:10:34 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I mean I already made it trivial to compile.
31 2011-11-16 00:10:42 <luke-jr> hmm, I guess the client shouldn't hang eitherâ¦
32 2011-11-16 00:10:48 <luke-jr> so bug in ISPs + bitcoin clients
33 2011-11-16 00:11:10 <molecular> Matt_von_Mises, someone answered "to promote tonal numbers" for usage of bitcoin. That guy is probably identified ;)
34 2011-11-16 00:11:15 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: I dunno how many people are being hit by itâ strangely we had two people in here today.
35 2011-11-16 00:11:18 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: also, I removed the problem DNS seed from 0.4.1 too, so just 0.4.0 is affected (and .3.24)
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37 2011-11-16 00:11:49 <luke-jr> molecular: everyone knows my entire reason for being involved in Bitcoin is to promote Tonal
38 2011-11-16 00:11:50 <Matt_von_Mises> Does it show you all the results so far at the end?
39 2011-11-16 00:11:51 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: but it's probably safe to assume there are a few other people that tried .3.24,.4 and gave up.
40 2011-11-16 00:11:54 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: yes
41 2011-11-16 00:11:58 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: emails too
42 2011-11-16 00:12:01 <Matt_von_Mises> I'm not sure if you can come back to the results?
43 2011-11-16 00:12:20 <Matt_von_Mises> This is the first time I've used this survey maker
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45 2011-11-16 00:12:31 <Matt_von_Mises> It was free and did everything I wanted so I went for it.
46 2011-11-16 00:12:36 <luke-jr> http://www.kwiksurveys.com/results-overview.php?surveyID=OHKDGN_329545e7&mode=4
47 2011-11-16 00:12:40 <molecular> luke-jr, I remember "a guy", now I know it's you ;)
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51 2011-11-16 00:15:33 <molecular> Matt_von_Mises, you should not make the results available in such detail. I, for example, just found the age of luke-jr.
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54 2011-11-16 00:15:59 <luke-jr> molecular: o rly?
55 2011-11-16 00:16:03 <luke-jr> not like it's secret :P
56 2011-11-16 00:16:09 <luke-jr> but still, curious what you deduced
57 2011-11-16 00:16:11 <molecular> yeah, klick on your email
58 2011-11-16 00:16:26 <Matt_von_Mises> Well, I would hope people wouldn't give information away they don't want to when I say I'm going to make the results available
59 2011-11-16 00:16:31 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: as far as builds go... still have the issue that the boost mt suffix failures are a bit mysterious. ... and redhat systems openssl not working.
60 2011-11-16 00:16:33 <molecular> any answer that allows custom entry has a "view" link that leads to the complete form
61 2011-11-16 00:16:37 <molecular> you entered 26, luke-jr
62 2011-11-16 00:16:40 <luke-jr> molecular: interesting
63 2011-11-16 00:16:42 <Matt_von_Mises> I'll remove the email one
64 2011-11-16 00:16:51 <Matt_von_Mises> Since I don't need it now
65 2011-11-16 00:16:58 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: what failures?
66 2011-11-16 00:17:54 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: on some systems the boost libraries have a -mt suffix. The makefile has support for this, but there isn't anything that connects the clueless user from the failure message to the right flags.
67 2011-11-16 00:17:59 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: IMO, people are exaggerating their own skill in the confidency part
68 2011-11-16 00:18:08 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: either that, or people are too ignorant of what they don't know
69 2011-11-16 00:18:24 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: afaik that's not on any current systems
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72 2011-11-16 00:18:33 <Matt_von_Mises> Maybe but I did submit it on the bitcoin forums
73 2011-11-16 00:18:40 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: fedora 16, for example.
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75 2011-11-16 00:18:50 <Matt_von_Mises> So it will be biased to more experienced bitcoin users I guess.
76 2011-11-16 00:18:54 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: I'm the only one who voted less than 3 on "the risks", yet I'm probably far more aware of potential risks than most people
77 2011-11-16 00:19:06 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: lol, forums is mostly trolls
78 2011-11-16 00:19:49 <gmaxwell> $ locate libboost_thread
79 2011-11-16 00:19:49 <gmaxwell> /usr/lib64/libboost_thread-mt.so
80 2011-11-16 00:19:49 <gmaxwell> /usr/lib64/libboost_thread-mt.so.1.47.0
81 2011-11-16 00:20:03 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: you're aware "Send text messages with transactions." is already a reality? :P
82 2011-11-16 00:20:23 <gmaxwell> heh.... yea, and we're removing it!
83 2011-11-16 00:20:24 <molecular> luke-jr, when's the last time you've been on the forums? it's gotten a lot better.
84 2011-11-16 00:20:29 <Matt_von_Mises> THere is new software?
85 2011-11-16 00:20:36 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: no?
86 2011-11-16 00:20:50 <luke-jr> molecular: I read selectively every week or so
87 2011-11-16 00:20:51 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: you can only do that with IP transactions, and IIRC the plan was to remove that functionality.
88 2011-11-16 00:20:57 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: signmessage
89 2011-11-16 00:21:09 <gmaxwell> Hm. Send isn't sign.
90 2011-11-16 00:21:18 <luke-jr> signmessage is a text message
91 2011-11-16 00:21:21 <luke-jr> which can be emailed
92 2011-11-16 00:21:37 <luke-jr> I agree the GUI could be improved for it tho
93 2011-11-16 00:21:52 <luke-jr> if it would let you compose the email in the send screen
94 2011-11-16 00:21:55 <gmaxwell> there is a gui for it?
95 2011-11-16 00:22:03 <gmaxwell> thats neat.
96 2011-11-16 00:22:05 <luke-jr> yes, I wrote a simple GUI
97 2011-11-16 00:22:11 <luke-jr> it's a pull req accepted for 0.6
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99 2011-11-16 00:22:29 <Matt_von_Mises> So it isn't actually in the software GUI yet?
100 2011-11-16 00:22:33 <Matt_von_Mises> Well this is what I mean
101 2011-11-16 00:22:56 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: I have a custom build on Eligius.st with it
102 2011-11-16 00:23:11 <gmaxwell> ::shrugs:: I've never used the GUI. Now that its easily built I probably will someday but only to help someone out or test a feature. :)
103 2011-11-16 00:23:46 <luke-jr> tbh, Bitcoin-Qt will probably win me over from Spesmilo :/
104 2011-11-16 00:24:02 <luke-jr> though I might have to fork it for proper TBC support
105 2011-11-16 00:25:19 <Matt_von_Mises> You are doing the wrong things. My survey is already showing people aren't as interested in text messages. :P
106 2011-11-16 00:25:45 <Matt_von_Mises> "Instant point of sale payment solutions." Will obviously be most wanted.
107 2011-11-16 00:25:46 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: well, I sure as heck didn't understand 'text messages' the same way luke did.
108 2011-11-16 00:25:56 <gmaxwell> If you had signmessage on the list I would have put it as number one.
109 2011-11-16 00:26:00 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: that doesn't belong in the wallet/client
110 2011-11-16 00:26:02 <Matt_von_Mises> "Send text messages with transactions."
111 2011-11-16 00:26:06 <gmaxwell> Except for the fact that its already done.
112 2011-11-16 00:26:11 <Matt_von_Mises> What is ambigous about that?
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115 2011-11-16 00:26:27 <Matt_von_Mises> ambiguous
116 2011-11-16 00:26:29 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: gmaxwell, being a developer, probably thought it meant embedding them in the block chain
117 2011-11-16 00:26:39 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: no, POS would be support from major ecommerce suites
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119 2011-11-16 00:26:55 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: something businesses can just setup easily and run
120 2011-11-16 00:26:59 <gmaxwell> Sign message doesn't SEND with the transaction. It signs a message as being from the same sender, which can be sent seperately from the transaction but matched up with it.
121 2011-11-16 00:27:07 <Matt_von_Mises> I mean sending messages that are shown in the GUI. I heard doing it in the block chain is a bad idea so a seperate protocol should be used.
122 2011-11-16 00:27:34 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: well, it's not practical to show it in the GUI without making it an email client too :P
123 2011-11-16 00:27:36 <luke-jr> or at least IM
124 2011-11-16 00:27:58 <luke-jr> I suppose some kind of short-term DHT could work too
125 2011-11-16 00:28:06 <gmaxwell> The signing part is important. The sending not so much.. I don't want to turn bitcoin into an IM client too. :)
126 2011-11-16 00:28:21 <Matt_von_Mises> Messages only have to be small like "I'll get the rest of the money by friday, cheers"
127 2011-11-16 00:28:35 <luke-jr> ie, add the signed message to the DHT until the recipient gets it (and then he deletes it)
128 2011-11-16 00:28:37 <Matt_von_Mises> So it can go under the transaction
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130 2011-11-16 00:28:41 <Matt_von_Mises> Just a one-liner
131 2011-11-16 00:28:53 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: bitcoin is a flodding network. Your example message is simlar in size to a whole transaction.
132 2011-11-16 00:29:10 <luke-jr> perhaps emails could have .bitcoin-signed-message attachments that the client opens and associates with the txn :P
133 2011-11-16 00:29:20 <cjdelisle> (sending messages would be expensive)
134 2011-11-16 00:29:45 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: the way to handle that need is the payment protocol sipa designed, or something substantially similar.
135 2011-11-16 00:29:47 <luke-jr> hmm
136 2011-11-16 00:29:51 <Matt_von_Mises> Who says it must be p2p?
137 2011-11-16 00:30:00 <gmaxwell> Indeed! who says.
138 2011-11-16 00:30:10 <gmaxwell> But thats how it is unless you add another protocol to bitcoin.
139 2011-11-16 00:30:27 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: https://gist.github.com/1237788
140 2011-11-16 00:30:34 <Matt_von_Mises> A little extra protocol added on top, not a harm is it?
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142 2011-11-16 00:30:58 <gmaxwell> ^ that, or something substantial similar, would be good. â it does a _lot_ more than text messages.
143 2011-11-16 00:31:13 <gmaxwell> For example, it lets the reciever agree to pay the fees in a txn.
144 2011-11-16 00:31:27 <luke-jr> I think IM would work best for that
145 2011-11-16 00:31:43 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: ever written an xmpp client? it sucks. :(
146 2011-11-16 00:31:56 <gmaxwell> but inventing a new im protocol would also suck.
147 2011-11-16 00:32:24 <Matt_von_Mises> The exact nature of the software can be figured out. I don't think it will come out top on the survey though
148 2011-11-16 00:32:28 <parus> i have another question: is it bad to just kill bitcoind?
149 2011-11-16 00:33:17 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: I think if people know about the payment protcol and all it could do they'd rate it highly.
150 2011-11-16 00:33:22 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: well, if it's not a full IM clientâ¦
151 2011-11-16 00:33:27 <gmaxwell> 'text messages' not so much.
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157 2011-11-16 00:36:15 <Matt_von_Mises> Payments done online with software that takes separate bitcoin addresses to track payments. Would a POS merchant use this payment system?
158 2011-11-16 00:38:10 <gmaxwell> I would expect that most people would use it because it prevents a number of problems.
159 2011-11-16 00:38:37 <gmaxwell> For example, right now you can underpay and screw things up. E.g. the site tells me to pay 2 btc to 1111... I send 1 btc. What happens then?
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161 2011-11-16 00:39:46 <gmaxwell> (answer: you have to find a way to contact the sender and you have to ask them to either pay the rest or give you an address to return the 1 btc to)
162 2011-11-16 00:40:35 <gmaxwell> The payment protocol: allows you to reject the transaction in realtime before it ever happens, so that problem shouldn't be created. And it allows the sender to specify a return address, so if you do need to refund the funds you know where to send them.
163 2011-11-16 00:40:52 <Matt_von_Mises> It could be useful but the online merchants can have a refund address field.
164 2011-11-16 00:40:58 <gmaxwell> It also signals the addresses and amounts, eliminating a chance for user error.
165 2011-11-16 00:41:11 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: yes, but thats more data the user has to copy and paste.. and more they could screw up.
166 2011-11-16 00:41:18 <Matt_von_Mises> And at a POS, they will tell you if something went wrong and you can sort it out there and then.
167 2011-11-16 00:41:31 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I can bypass that rejection. :P
168 2011-11-16 00:41:51 <Matt_von_Mises> Yes, so it could be useful but I don't think it is as useful as you may at first think
169 2011-11-16 00:41:55 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: yea, sure. but better that it not go wrong in the first place!
170 2011-11-16 00:41:57 <Matt_von_Mises> Since there are other solutions.
171 2011-11-16 00:42:08 <Matt_von_Mises> No saying it wont be good
172 2011-11-16 00:42:10 <Matt_von_Mises> Not
173 2011-11-16 00:42:20 <gmaxwell> and, as a bonus it gets your your text messages.
174 2011-11-16 00:42:52 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: there are few features where there aren't an alternative. :)
175 2011-11-16 00:43:09 <gmaxwell> POS transactions? pshaw. Pay for things with mtgox codes. done.
176 2011-11-16 00:43:36 <Matt_von_Mises> Mtgox turning into a bitcoin bank would be horrid.
177 2011-11-16 00:43:41 <gmaxwell> TOO LATE!
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179 2011-11-16 00:44:11 <gmaxwell> There won't just be one solution for that problem domain in any case.. we're going to see several, let the best one become most popular!
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181 2011-11-16 00:44:21 <cjdelisle> It is the bank of btc but we should not accept that.
182 2011-11-16 00:44:30 <cjdelisle> BTC is all about not accepting things as they are.
183 2011-11-16 00:44:31 * roconnor_ thought the mining pools would be the ones to turn into banks.
184 2011-11-16 00:44:55 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: no, it isn't. Bitcoin is all about Tonal!
185 2011-11-16 00:45:09 <luke-jr> roconnor_: I intentionally avoid that with Eligius.
186 2011-11-16 00:45:13 <Matt_von_Mises> It's funny how people keep using Mtgox when it shoudl be getting a worse reputation with all these security scares.
187 2011-11-16 00:45:21 <luke-jr> roconnor_: I refuse to hold onto balances any longer than I reasonably have to.
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189 2011-11-16 00:45:39 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: MtGox is the most secure place to store Bitcoins besides your own secured PC, right now.
190 2011-11-16 00:45:41 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: every time it screws up thats one new way it probably won't fail in the future. :)
191 2011-11-16 00:46:03 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: could be argued to be more secure â yubikey protected!
192 2011-11-16 00:46:17 <roconnor_> luke-jr: is Eligius a mining pool?
193 2011-11-16 00:46:41 <gmaxwell> roconnor_: yes, and he pays people using extra outputs in the coinbase to avoid ending up holding a lot of other people's coins.
194 2011-11-16 00:46:46 <luke-jr> MtGox has screwed up twice: 1) hack, was the fault of the previous owner; tangible losses were covered by MtGox; and 2) impossible outputs, losses covered entirely by MtGox again
195 2011-11-16 00:46:55 <Matt_von_Mises> Haven't they admitted to losing bitcoins randomly?
196 2011-11-16 00:47:01 <luke-jr> roconnor_: yes, the best :p
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198 2011-11-16 00:47:08 <cjdelisle> if we're just going to accept a central authority of bitcoin then bitcoin == paypal == LR == WMZ
199 2011-11-16 00:47:11 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: yes, at their own expense
200 2011-11-16 00:47:15 <Matt_von_Mises> So what?
201 2011-11-16 00:47:22 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: not 'randomly'. They had some buggy software and suffered a pretty modest loss.
202 2011-11-16 00:47:24 <Matt_von_Mises> What happens when they run out of "their own expense"?
203 2011-11-16 00:47:25 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: no, because you have a choice with Bitcoins
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205 2011-11-16 00:47:41 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: very unlikely, given the profits MtGox makes
206 2011-11-16 00:47:48 <roconnor_> luke-jr: choice upto what miners are willing to allow ...
207 2011-11-16 00:48:05 <Matt_von_Mises> Just wait for a major problem and all the bitcoins to be flushed away
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209 2011-11-16 00:48:18 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: more likely on my own PC
210 2011-11-16 00:48:22 <cjdelisle> ;;ticker --last
211 2011-11-16 00:48:23 <gribble> 2.32964
212 2011-11-16 00:48:24 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: you're kidding right.. do you ask when $local_bank will 'run out of "their own expense"' every time some dimbulb installs toner wrong and ruins a copy machine? :)
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214 2011-11-16 00:48:38 <luke-jr> ^
215 2011-11-16 00:48:44 <roconnor_> gmaxwell: install tonal wrong
216 2011-11-16 00:48:58 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: the evidence suggests that they have prudent practices which prevent that. (the bulk of their bitcoin balance appears to be offline)
217 2011-11-16 00:49:04 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: MtGox keeps most of their funds offline, too. No computer issue will compromise that.
218 2011-11-16 00:49:50 <gmaxwell> I support the skepticism, but don't get carried away. :)
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220 2011-11-16 00:50:42 <Matt_von_Mises> "I'd like to warn people that the survey responses are currently public - you can see the email address of other respondents and how they answered.
221 2011-11-16 00:50:42 <Matt_von_Mises> That's really... not very nice."
222 2011-11-16 00:50:50 <Matt_von_Mises> THat's probabaly scared people away from my survey already
223 2011-11-16 00:50:56 <Matt_von_Mises> THat person just had to post that
224 2011-11-16 00:51:09 <cjdelisle> who did?
225 2011-11-16 00:51:21 <luke-jr> that's where I'd hit reply "fixed" done
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228 2011-11-16 00:51:48 <Matt_von_Mises> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51967.0
229 2011-11-16 00:52:01 <Matt_von_Mises> Anyone here that uses julz? :P
230 2011-11-16 00:52:07 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: tagged rc5. Binaries built and uploaded to sourceforge, and I'm compiling wxWidgets for a 0.4.1 release on my gitian build machine
231 2011-11-16 00:52:48 <cjdelisle> haha I thought he had just made it up entirely
232 2011-11-16 00:52:55 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: speaking of wxwidgets and 0.4.1, did anybody test your patch?
233 2011-11-16 00:52:57 <cjdelisle> gotta expect that kinda thing on the forum
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235 2011-11-16 00:55:55 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: not afaik, but v0.4.1rc5 tagged
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237 2011-11-16 00:56:16 <luke-jr> as long as it's still RC, we can wait for public bug reports :p
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239 2011-11-16 00:56:41 <luke-jr> the chance of it being wrong is so tinyâ¦
240 2011-11-16 00:56:49 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: great. I hope before I go to sleep tonight I'll be done cross-compiling wxwidgets....
241 2011-11-16 00:57:10 <luke-jr> isn't there one from 0.4.0?
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243 2011-11-16 00:59:52 <Matt_von_Mises> I'm off to bed. THanks for any responses to the survey.
244 2011-11-16 00:59:57 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r85510a52bad6 gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoind/ (Manifest bitcoind-0.4.1_rc5.ebuild): net-p2p/bitcoind: 0.4.1_rc5
245 2011-11-16 01:00:01 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * ra1270a869b37 gentoo/net-p2p/wxbitcoin/ (Manifest wxbitcoin-0.4.1_rc5.ebuild): net-p2p/wxbitcoin: bump to 0.4.1_rc5
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247 2011-11-16 01:06:07 <eueueue> Hi, bitcoin wiki has a TIMELINE of bitcoin ?
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249 2011-11-16 01:06:50 <eueueue> of most important things that happened
250 2011-11-16 01:06:59 <eueueue> on bitcoin world
251 2011-11-16 01:07:44 <luke-jr> eueueue: it's under "History"
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253 2011-11-16 01:07:53 <eueueue> ok
254 2011-11-16 01:07:55 <eueueue> will see
255 2011-11-16 01:09:57 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r7a347b40791c gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoind/ (Manifest bitcoind-0.5.0_rc5.ebuild): net-p2p/bitcoind: 0.5.0_rc5
256 2011-11-16 01:10:25 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: btw, what's the plan on i18n for the new "shutdown bitcoin" message?
257 2011-11-16 01:11:20 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: I don't know nuthin about i18n.... (ok, that's a lie, but I like to pretend I don't)
258 2011-11-16 01:11:27 <luke-jr> :p
259 2011-11-16 01:11:42 <luke-jr> well, we just invalidated all the earlier translations >.>
260 2011-11-16 01:12:25 <gavinandresen> yup. What do you think the plan should be?
261 2011-11-16 01:12:57 <luke-jr> well, I'd have hacked it to be a separate string for Qt⦠not as simple for wx since it's in the middle of the string there already
262 2011-11-16 01:13:15 <luke-jr> I guess the only plan at this point is to send an email to the translators asking for an emergency change :P
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264 2011-11-16 01:15:03 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r8b5b79daddfe gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoin-qt/ (3 files): net-p2p/bitcoin-qt: 0.5.0_rc5
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274 2011-11-16 01:24:57 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rb477752742b6 gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoind/ (6 files): net-p2p/bitcoind: remove old rcs
275 2011-11-16 01:24:59 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rb6754c1dd390 gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoin-qt/bitcoin-qt-9999.1.ebuild: net-p2p/bitcoin-qt: forgot to `git rm' 9999.1
276 2011-11-16 01:25:00 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r756d7478bfb0 gentoo/net-p2p/wxbitcoin/ (Manifest wxbitcoin-0.4.1_rc4.ebuild): net-p2p/wxbitcoin: remove rc4
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283 2011-11-16 01:45:02 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r9e9dd1ee1a7d gentoo/net-p2p/namecoin/ (Manifest namecoin-0.3.24.63.ebuild namecoin-0.3.24.64.ebuild): net-p2p/namecoin: 0.3.24.64
284 2011-11-16 01:45:03 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r08cec14c0c71 gentoo/app-misc/cgminer/ (Manifest cgminer-2.0.8.ebuild): app-misc/cgminer: 2.0.8
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287 2011-11-16 01:53:15 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: how goes?
288 2011-11-16 01:53:53 <gavinandresen> wxwidgets-32 and -64 built, building -win32....
289 2011-11-16 01:54:15 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: 0.4.1rc5-win32?
290 2011-11-16 01:54:30 <gavinandresen> no, the wxwidgets dependency.
291 2011-11-16 01:55:00 <gavinandresen> After that's done, I'll be able to build 0.4.1rc5
292 2011-11-16 01:55:27 <luke-jr> what's "built" mean then? O.o
293 2011-11-16 01:55:44 <gavinandresen> I hadn't gitian-compiled wxwidgets before
294 2011-11-16 01:56:38 <gavinandresen> ... so I have to compile it and then move the result into the gitian-builder/inputs directory.
295 2011-11-16 01:56:54 <gavinandresen> That's a one-time setup thing.
296 2011-11-16 01:57:17 <gavinandresen> (happily 0.4 and 0.5 use the same version of boost, so I don't have to recompile that monster)
297 2011-11-16 01:57:24 * luke-jr is still confused, but oh well
298 2011-11-16 01:57:56 <gavinandresen> see the 0.5 doc/release-process.txt for all the gory details
299 2011-11-16 01:59:56 <luke-jr> yeah, just saying⦠you said you had wxwidgets-32 and -64 built, but then you said you still had to :p
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301 2011-11-16 02:04:08 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: I need three versions of wxwidgets: 32 and 64-bit for Linux, and a win32 for Windows....
302 2011-11-16 02:04:25 <luke-jr> ahh
303 2011-11-16 02:04:41 <gavinandresen> Oof, and a macosx version, too... forgot about that...
304 2011-11-16 02:04:54 <gavinandresen> (wonders if he still has one hanging around....)
305 2011-11-16 02:05:24 <luke-jr> >_<
306 2011-11-16 02:05:32 <luke-jr> gitian supports OSX?
307 2011-11-16 02:05:52 <gavinandresen> no, osx builds are done the old-fashioned way
308 2011-11-16 02:06:28 <luke-jr> nuts, that WOULD be a killer feature for gitian
309 2011-11-16 02:06:29 <gavinandresen> ... and you just have to trust whoever does them (I've been building them recently)
310 2011-11-16 02:07:37 <cjdelisle> how long does the build take in gitian?
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313 2011-11-16 02:08:33 <gavinandresen> cjdelisle: an hour or so, assuming all the do-it-once dependencies are compiled.
314 2011-11-16 02:09:03 <cjdelisle> I see
315 2011-11-16 02:09:11 <gavinandresen> cjdelisle: ... at least, an hour or so on the cheap machine I bought just to do builds...
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337 2011-11-16 03:20:50 <roconnor_> etotheipi_: next math to look for would be given two keys find a random number such that the signature can be verified by either public key
338 2011-11-16 03:21:12 <roconnor_> which would be an ... interesting property
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341 2011-11-16 03:26:00 <etotheipi_> ahh... interesting problem
342 2011-11-16 03:26:04 <etotheipi_> i'm sure there is a relationship
343 2011-11-16 03:26:44 <roconnor_> bearing in mind that if anyone recovers the "random" nonce, the private keys are comprimised
344 2011-11-16 03:26:53 <roconnor_> as sony knows
345 2011-11-16 03:28:32 <etotheipi_> oh, I bet that's a discrete log prblem
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347 2011-11-16 03:30:42 <etotheipi_> that's not necessarily true... it's may be that the second key contains as much information as the nonce:
348 2011-11-16 03:30:52 <etotheipi_> meaning that if you have one, you have the other
349 2011-11-16 03:31:05 <etotheipi_> but I don't feel like figuring out the math right now...
350 2011-11-16 03:33:33 <roconnor_> :)
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352 2011-11-16 03:34:56 <cjdelisle> I had an interesting thought, suppose you made an RSA sig and then you modded it and set the public exponent to something huge
353 2011-11-16 03:35:16 <cjdelisle> could you carry out a memory exhaustion attack on the validator?
354 2011-11-16 03:35:42 <roconnor_> cjdelisle: exponentation over finite fields can be done in constant space
355 2011-11-16 03:35:49 <cjdelisle> ahh crap
356 2011-11-16 03:35:53 <roconnor_> and in fact is done in constant space
357 2011-11-16 03:35:59 <etotheipi_> if the exponent, e, is huge, you just replace it with (e mod N) which should be a fairly quick operation
358 2011-11-16 03:36:21 <roconnor_> etotheipi_: (e mod (phi N))
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360 2011-11-16 03:36:48 <etotheipi_> where N is the order of the group... I assume that's what your "phi" is
361 2011-11-16 03:37:04 <cjdelisle> My thinking was: ya know those spam bots that connect to you on port993 to see if you're a mail server? ....
362 2011-11-16 03:38:16 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: 0.4.1rc5 linux/windows binaries are uploading to sourceforge now
363 2011-11-16 03:39:10 <gavinandresen> osx will have to wait until tomorrow, I'm tired....
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385 2011-11-16 04:23:00 <Mad7Scientist> Can someone help me? Bitcoin won't start because it cannot obtain a lock on .bitcoin
386 2011-11-16 04:23:29 <cocktopus> Mad7Scientist: sounds like it is already running
387 2011-11-16 04:23:37 <cocktopus> kill any ghost processes?
388 2011-11-16 04:23:52 <Mad7Scientist> it isn't running and lsof shows noohting
389 2011-11-16 04:23:55 <Mad7Scientist> it's an NFS mounted share
390 2011-11-16 04:23:59 <Mad7Scientist> it always worked before
391 2011-11-16 04:24:36 <cocktopus> hmm, does locking work properly over NFS?
392 2011-11-16 04:25:07 <Mad7Scientist> Is there a stale lock file there?
393 2011-11-16 04:26:10 <Mad7Scientist> let me try remounting it
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395 2011-11-16 04:28:00 <phantomcircuit> Mad7Scientist, heh nfs is your problem
396 2011-11-16 04:28:03 <phantomcircuit> inb4infinitelock
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407 2011-11-16 05:16:01 <Mad7Scientist> It works now
408 2011-11-16 05:16:07 <Mad7Scientist> the NFS server locking system got messed up
409 2011-11-16 05:16:11 <Mad7Scientist> ;;bc,blocks
410 2011-11-16 05:16:12 <gribble> 153500
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413 2011-11-16 05:18:20 <jgarzik> Mad7Scientist: sounds like you should use NFSv4 exclusively?
414 2011-11-16 05:18:49 <Mad7Scientist> what's wrong with v3
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416 2011-11-16 05:19:07 <cocktopus> v4 has better locking iirc
417 2011-11-16 05:19:23 <cocktopus> and other cool stuff besides
418 2011-11-16 05:19:29 <jgarzik> Mad7Scientist: in v4, locking has been tightly integrated into the nfs protocol itself
419 2011-11-16 05:19:58 <Mad7Scientist> why not fix the bugs in v3 first
420 2011-11-16 05:20:04 <jgarzik> Mad7Scientist: in <= v3, it is a bolt-on, with all the attendent race conditions and other problems one may imagine from a separate, bolted-on, potentially optional lock/mount facilities
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490 2011-11-16 09:34:25 <wboy1> Hey Guys if you are a js developer,and interested to join a funded bitcoin related startup ,drop me a message thanks!
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492 2011-11-16 09:37:55 <erus`> wboy1: tell me more about your startup :)
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569 2011-11-16 11:49:38 <wboy1> Hey Guys if you are a js developer,and interested to join a funded bitcoin related startup ,drop me a message thanks!
570 2011-11-16 11:50:37 <AliciaC> not interested
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575 2011-11-16 12:29:46 <edcba> how much btc/month ? :)
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662 2011-11-16 15:25:41 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: Kamil Domanski * rd6f070a07674 /m4/ax_berkeley_db_cxx.m4: m4/ax_berkeley_db_cxx.m4: added db 5.1 to list
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681 2011-11-16 16:19:12 <gavinandresen> I need help! If you can, please download and sanity test the new builds: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52008
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695 2011-11-16 16:48:44 <Ken`> 0.5 runs on my Ubuntu 11.10 (and looks nice!), but I find the UI a bit confusing (new address).
696 2011-11-16 16:50:09 <gavinandresen> Ken`: thanks for helping test!
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699 2011-11-16 16:52:21 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: 0.4.1 only has zip for mac?
700 2011-11-16 16:52:51 <gavinandresen> yes, I lost my create-a-dmg script somewhere in the upgrade-to-qt shuffle
701 2011-11-16 16:53:27 <gavinandresen> ... and I don't feel like recreating it.
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706 2011-11-16 16:55:36 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: only noticed because 0.5.0 has a dmg :P
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714 2011-11-16 17:05:40 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: genjix * r1db7684e69ff /include/bitcoin/bitcoin.hpp: Convenience header.
715 2011-11-16 17:05:41 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: genjix * rb6ff345cb30d / (17 files in 8 dirs): inventory, not inv (we dont like abbrevs here)
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768 2011-11-16 18:55:36 <jacobwg> Okay, so I'm trying to understand how the traditional "authority" part of the bitcoin network works, but after reading the wiki and lots of articles, I seem to still be unable to get it. Is this a good place to ask questions?
769 2011-11-16 18:55:43 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: genjix * r17ceb5430e74 /include/bitcoin/storage/bdb_storage.hpp: Use DB_CXX_HEADER for different bdb paths.
770 2011-11-16 18:55:45 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: genjix * r882338eb4322 /bitcoin.sql: WITH TIME ZONE
771 2011-11-16 18:56:07 <luke-jr> yes
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773 2011-11-16 18:56:15 <phantomcircuit> lol @ luke-jr
774 2011-11-16 18:56:20 <jacobwg> lol
775 2011-11-16 18:56:26 <luke-jr> where is that idiot genjix?
776 2011-11-16 18:56:26 <jacobwg> Okay, here goes
777 2011-11-16 18:56:37 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, hiding
778 2011-11-16 18:56:42 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I found him on IM
779 2011-11-16 18:56:47 <luke-jr> I'm calling him out
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782 2011-11-16 18:58:22 <jacobwg> First question - how exactly is ownership of bitcoins and validity of transactions ensured? The design doc that I read seemed to say that each client needed to know about all transactions in order to be secure⦠is that true?
783 2011-11-16 18:58:44 <luke-jr> jacobwg: yup
784 2011-11-16 18:59:24 <jacobwg> kk, so how exactly do the clients get to know about the transactions, for instance, since there is no central server?
785 2011-11-16 18:59:34 <jacobwg> Do the clients maintain a list of all other clients?
786 2011-11-16 19:01:13 <phantomcircuit> jacobwg, they're connected in a mesh
787 2011-11-16 19:01:20 <gavinandresen> jacobwg: not all other clients, but a random selection of other clients. The p2p network is a randomly connected network
788 2011-11-16 19:01:21 <phantomcircuit> 8 connections minimum per peer outbound
789 2011-11-16 19:01:29 <phantomcircuit> and upto 120 inbound
790 2011-11-16 19:01:35 <phantomcircuit> or is that 125-8 inbound?
791 2011-11-16 19:02:16 <jacobwg> Okay, so I'll do some more digging on mesh networks. followup question - how does a client get the initial list of connections? i.e. when you first get started.
792 2011-11-16 19:02:35 <phantomcircuit> jacobwg, when i say mesh network im almost certainly using the term incorrectly
793 2011-11-16 19:02:46 <phantomcircuit> jacobwg, the client basically picks 8 random peers
794 2011-11-16 19:02:50 <jacobwg> no problem :)
795 2011-11-16 19:03:04 <jacobwg> Right, but how does the client get the list of peers?
796 2011-11-16 19:03:13 <jacobwg> Is there a central peer list somewhere?
797 2011-11-16 19:03:15 <luke-jr> jacobwg: to create new coins from scratch, you have to do a proof-of-work; from there, it's all based on signing keys
798 2011-11-16 19:03:19 <phantomcircuit> jacobwg, there are a couple of ways, a dns server, an irc server, or if those fail static ips
799 2011-11-16 19:03:50 <luke-jr> jacobwg: once the client gets an IP from one of the ways phantomcircuit mentioned, it can get more over the p2p
800 2011-11-16 19:04:09 <jacobwg> So, there is some kind of central server for getting started, but after that, it's all p2p?
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802 2011-11-16 19:04:19 <gavinandresen> jacobwg: good info on bootstrapping here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Network
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804 2011-11-16 19:04:24 <luke-jr> there's multiple DNS servers
805 2011-11-16 19:04:28 <jacobwg> Or several "central" servers
806 2011-11-16 19:04:33 <luke-jr> could always use more
807 2011-11-16 19:05:02 <jacobwg> Or I guess you could know about just one other peer and could get the rest from them in this kind of network
808 2011-11-16 19:05:03 <luke-jr> the DNS servers just talk p2p to get IPs, test them, and add them to a round-robin
809 2011-11-16 19:05:26 <luke-jr> so you don't even connect to the "central" one
810 2011-11-16 19:05:34 <luke-jr> it just gives you a random assortment of IPs
811 2011-11-16 19:05:46 <jacobwg> Okay, makes sense
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813 2011-11-16 19:06:23 <gavinandresen> ... that reminds me, need to update the hard-coded seed list for the next release....
814 2011-11-16 19:07:24 <jacobwg> second question - if it is based on your peers confirming transactions, then what would happen if you were to flood the network with malicious peers? Is there some kind of protection against lots of peers advocating transactions that don't exist?
815 2011-11-16 19:07:52 <jacobwg> Or is the key signing designed so that they couldn't generate those transactions
816 2011-11-16 19:07:55 <gmaxwell> jacobwg: You should go read the original bitcoin paper.
817 2011-11-16 19:07:58 <gavinandresen> invalid transactions are simply dropped.
818 2011-11-16 19:08:18 <gmaxwell> jacobwg: http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
819 2011-11-16 19:08:24 <gavinandresen> If you send too many invalid transactions, the latest version of bitcoin will drop its connection to you
820 2011-11-16 19:08:26 <jacobwg> gmaxwell: I think I did, though I can re-read it
821 2011-11-16 19:08:58 <jacobwg> gavinandresen: but what if you were to add 10000 clients advocating something that didn't exist?
822 2011-11-16 19:09:10 <gmaxwell> Yea, this is evidence you need to read the paper again.
823 2011-11-16 19:09:15 <gavinandresen> Then bandwidth on the network will go up.
824 2011-11-16 19:09:19 <luke-jr> jacobwg: Bitcoin isn't democratic at that level.
825 2011-11-16 19:09:28 <gmaxwell> What luke-jr said.
826 2011-11-16 19:09:30 <luke-jr> Bitcoin is based on laws.
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828 2011-11-16 19:09:44 <luke-jr> if your 10000 clients are trying to break the laws, they get ignored
829 2011-11-16 19:09:54 <gmaxwell> The Three Laws of Bitcoin. Except there are more like 30 than three. :)
830 2011-11-16 19:10:00 <gavinandresen> jacobwg: are you asking about a denial-of-service attack, or are you worried that a bad transaction will get accepted?
831 2011-11-16 19:10:04 <luke-jr> to change the laws, you change the client code. but the change only affects you ;)
832 2011-11-16 19:10:31 <gmaxwell> Everyone independantly enforces The Law without trusting anyone else.
833 2011-11-16 19:10:47 <gmaxwell> The only thing that the network needs to come to agreement on is the mutual order that events happened in.
834 2011-11-16 19:10:52 <gavinandresen> Transactions are valid if they are included in valid blocks. And you can't flood the network with valid blocks, because you have to perform the proof-of-work calculation for the block to be valid
835 2011-11-16 19:10:55 <jacobwg> gavinandresen: I'm basically researching this not for bitcoin specifically, but for another p2p network project
836 2011-11-16 19:11:05 <gmaxwell> The agreement about order is also not democratic. It's based on computing power.
837 2011-11-16 19:11:21 <luke-jr> I'm not sure bitcoin's design would work for general p2p
838 2011-11-16 19:11:22 <gmaxwell> jacobwg: you'll likely discover that bitcoin solves non of those problems in ways that are useful to you. :)
839 2011-11-16 19:11:54 <gmaxwell> (those problems are super hard, which is one reason all open p2p except bit coin is insecure.
840 2011-11-16 19:12:18 <jacobwg> Okay, this makes more sense. The only way you can trust a peer is if you are using the same client that is enforcing the same rules
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842 2011-11-16 19:12:44 <jacobwg> Yeah, I'm looking into bitcoin (and namecoin) since it seems to be an example of p2p that "got it right"
843 2011-11-16 19:12:56 <gavinandresen> jacobwg: same rules, yes. But you don't trust your peers, you validate the information they send you
844 2011-11-16 19:13:03 <luke-jr> jacobwg: with bitcoin, you don't trust peers ever.
845 2011-11-16 19:13:30 <jacobwg> Well, right, but the only way to accept a transaction is if you and your peer use the same laws
846 2011-11-16 19:13:54 <gmaxwell> jacobwg: it gets it right with a fairly high cost.
847 2011-11-16 19:15:01 <gmaxwell> (cost which can be supported because it's a currency, it might not work well for other things.. namecoin needed to do some special stuffâ basically sharing work with bitcoinâ in order to achieve stability)
848 2011-11-16 19:16:48 <jacobwg> Basically what I'm trying to do is get some kind of secure p2p key-value store (in essence) where you could store arbitrary encrypted data - my brain is starting to overload :)
849 2011-11-16 19:17:36 <jacobwg> Sort of like what namecoin is doing with dns
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851 2011-11-16 19:18:07 <phantomcircuit> jacobwg, https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs
852 2011-11-16 19:18:53 <jacobwg> phantomcircuit, I've seen it, but didn't think it was p2p, per se - I'll have to look some more
853 2011-11-16 19:19:06 <phantomcircuit> it's federated i'd say
854 2011-11-16 19:19:22 <phantomcircuit> jacobwg, a true p2p key-value store would be freenet
855 2011-11-16 19:19:48 <jacobwg> true. I should probably do some more digging on how freenet works
856 2011-11-16 19:22:48 <jacobwg> Anyway, thanks everyone for the info and help! This gives me some more stuff to research.
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865 2011-11-16 20:01:00 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: Kamil Domanski * r798a9084200a / (4 files in 3 dirs): conditional berkdb in configure
866 2011-11-16 20:01:03 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: Kamil Domanski * r9b50fdd8db29 / (4 files in 3 dirs): conditional postgres in configure
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871 2011-11-16 20:20:35 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: Kamil Domanski * r685c5c6ee22d /include/bitcoin/Makefile.am: fixed minor Makefile.am mistake
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874 2011-11-16 20:35:32 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: Kamil Domanski * rdf21fca406b2 /src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): proto mumbo-jumbo, ask genjix what just happened
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891 2011-11-16 21:05:01 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Kamil Domanski * rf9fc6dafdd8c gentoo/net-p2p/libbitcoin/ (Manifest libbitcoin-9999.ebuild): net-p2p/libbitcoin-9999: updated deps and use flags
892 2011-11-16 21:05:02 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Kamil Domanski * r232502795a10 gentoo/app-crypt/subvertx/ (Manifest subvertx-9999.ebuild): app-crypt/subvertx-9999: updated libbitcoin dep to reflect new useflags
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919 2011-11-16 21:59:58 <molecular> tcatm, the trade table on bitcoincharts.com is really slowing things down when loading new data. an option to turn it off would be great, no?
920 2011-11-16 22:02:34 <tcatm> it shouldn't slow down anything as the image is loaded independently from the table
921 2011-11-16 22:04:18 <molecular> it's slow in the client, I guess. building the table document elements?
922 2011-11-16 22:04:31 <tcatm> could be
923 2011-11-16 22:04:49 <molecular> I tend to use low setting for time interval
924 2011-11-16 22:04:56 <molecular> it's ok for "auto"
925 2011-11-16 22:05:13 <molecular> but low values, like 1 minute in 2 day view are lots of data... a little too much for my atom to render
926 2011-11-16 22:05:28 <molecular> it was quick without the data table
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933 2011-11-16 22:25:40 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: Kamil Domanski * r23be37ef2915 /configure.ac: fixed pkg-config issue on some systems (including gentoo)
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944 2011-11-16 22:59:12 <BCBot> Stats: http://bit.ly/bitcoin-irc-stats
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968 2011-11-16 23:56:06 <tcatm> molecular: fix deployed :)
969 2011-11-16 23:57:25 <molecular> awesome! insanely fast now in comparions. thank you so much. addy?
970 2011-11-16 23:57:32 <molecular> comparison
971 2011-11-16 23:57:49 <tcatm> 1Nqr3MqVyUp6k3o3QPePAdn4Yg4tzgB9kw
972 2011-11-16 23:58:00 <molecular> already in clipboard from page, sorry for even asking...
973 2011-11-16 23:58:22 <molecular> not much at all, just like micro-donations ;)
974 2011-11-16 23:59:49 <tcatm> Could be worth a lot someday ;)