1 2011-11-17 00:00:13 <molecular> oh yes
  2 2011-11-17 00:00:43 <molecular> "remember when we passed around bitcoins worth aircraft carriers for little favors?"
  3 2011-11-17 00:01:35 <tcatm> Almost... I remember passing around hundreds of bitcoins for small donations :P
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 15 2011-11-17 00:16:11 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: genjix * rb367539dd77d / (include/bitcoin/address.hpp src/address.cpp): pubkey_to_address -> public_key_to_address (no abbrev in public API)
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 50 2011-11-17 01:30:01 <molecular> tcatm, people are asking about chart.glbse.com. They're really missing it ;). Do you maintain that?
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 56 2011-11-17 01:48:22 <denisx> is the coder of phoenix here sometimes?
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 60 2011-11-17 01:52:24 <luke-jr> denisx: at least one phoenix contributor hangs in #eligius sometimes
 61 2011-11-17 01:53:28 <denisx> I wonder what happens when I do not deliver the "X-Long-Polling" header
 62 2011-11-17 01:54:48 <luke-jr> then you don't enable LP…?
 63 2011-11-17 01:55:10 <denisx> luke-jr: and phoenix respects that?
 64 2011-11-17 01:55:28 <luke-jr> dunno
 65 2011-11-17 01:55:33 <luke-jr> phoenix is full of bugs
 66 2011-11-17 01:55:45 <denisx> ah fuck, learning by doing...
 67 2011-11-17 01:55:51 <denisx> I will just try it ;)
 68 2011-11-17 01:57:20 <markkio> What do I use to decrypt my Gpg again?
 69 2011-11-17 01:58:48 <luke-jr> you use GPG to decrypt PGP.
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 73 2011-11-17 02:01:25 <denisx> luke-jr: I want to disable LP for the botnet, but instead it seems the traffic is increasing
 74 2011-11-17 02:01:29 <denisx> I don't know why
 75 2011-11-17 02:02:06 <luke-jr> denisx: of course. without LP, you get polls every 1-10 seconds.
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 77 2011-11-17 02:02:21 <denisx> yeah, seems like 15
 78 2011-11-17 02:02:22 <graingert> gpg
 79 2011-11-17 02:02:26 <luke-jr> LP, like most extensions, was invented to REDUCE load
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 81 2011-11-17 02:02:48 <denisx> luke-jr: but I can't handle LP calls from 500k clients
 82 2011-11-17 02:03:02 <luke-jr> denisx: then maybe you should join my project :p
 83 2011-11-17 02:03:14 <luke-jr> why the heck do you have 500k clients btw
 84 2011-11-17 02:03:23 <denisx> luke-jr: a botnet is hitting me
 85 2011-11-17 02:04:34 <luke-jr> denisx: anyhow, my Python pool server can probably handle 500k LP clients, when finished
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 93 2011-11-17 02:24:31 <doublec> by the time you've sent 500,000 getwork requests to the LP clients, the next block would have come around
 94 2011-11-17 02:24:48 <denisx> doublec: no, its not that slow
 95 2011-11-17 02:26:22 <graingert> would it be possible to create a distributed pool miner
 96 2011-11-17 02:26:30 <doublec> I'd have thought 1,000 getworks/s was about normal? Then it's nearly 10 minutes to send out the longpoll results
 97 2011-11-17 02:27:26 <graingert> in which each miner shows the rest their block with the reward of the previous set in, if they only partially hit the target
 98 2011-11-17 02:28:05 <graingert> with their address in the extra nonce etc
 99 2011-11-17 02:28:29 <graingert> that way you could create a pool with no pool operator
100 2011-11-17 02:28:46 <doublec> graingert: have you seen p2pool?
101 2011-11-17 02:29:59 <graingert> cool
102 2011-11-17 02:30:10 <graingert> 0.5% is kept as a fee ?
103 2011-11-17 02:30:13 <graingert> a fee to whom?
104 2011-11-17 02:30:30 <doublec> the p2pool creator I assume
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106 2011-11-17 02:30:55 <graingert> a hard coded bitcoin address
107 2011-11-17 02:31:06 <graingert> would not be hard to make a free one
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111 2011-11-17 02:56:01 <luke-jr> denisx: so want to join me on my pool server? :P
112 2011-11-17 02:57:00 <denisx> I need to discuss that with my partners in crime
113 2011-11-17 02:58:36 <denisx> but did I understand that correctly. it is written in python?
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117 2011-11-17 03:10:50 <luke-jr> denisx: currently 100% python
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130 2011-11-17 04:23:38 <denisx> LP do not use keep-alive, right?
131 2011-11-17 04:23:45 <denisx> LP calls that is
132 2011-11-17 04:25:03 <luke-jr> LP calls are LP.
133 2011-11-17 04:25:20 <luke-jr> they can use HTTP keep-alive or not, it's immaterial.
134 2011-11-17 04:26:21 <denisx> luke-jr: yeah sure, but do I need to send an "Connection: closed" at the end?
135 2011-11-17 04:26:39 <luke-jr> if you want to refuse the keep-alive…
136 2011-11-17 04:26:42 <luke-jr> read the HTTP spec
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138 2011-11-17 04:30:17 <bd_> denisx: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec8.html section 8.1 :)
139 2011-11-17 04:30:50 <bd_> note that the server sending a 'Connection: closed' is a SHOULD statement - it's not mandatory, but it's a good idea
140 2011-11-17 04:30:57 <bd_> as otherwise you might end up wasting the client's time
141 2011-11-17 04:31:28 <luke-jr> "close", not "closed" BTW
142 2011-11-17 04:32:36 <denisx> luke-jr: thanks for catching that
143 2011-11-17 04:32:53 <bd_> er, yes. oops :)
144 2011-11-17 04:33:03 <denisx> I ask because I found that: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.libevent.user/989
145 2011-11-17 04:33:13 <denisx> (there he said "closed")
146 2011-11-17 04:34:00 <denisx> and Iam not that Denis
147 2011-11-17 04:34:11 <bd_> I haven't worked with evhttp
148 2011-11-17 04:34:24 <denisx> pushpool does
149 2011-11-17 04:34:29 <bd_> but a HTTP server can terminate the connection between requests whenever it wants. Connection: close is a courtesy.
150 2011-11-17 04:38:18 <cocktopus> btw when discussing LP, be sure to take into account QoS for it - Slush has implemented it for his largest miners
151 2011-11-17 04:38:25 <cocktopus> they get priority LPs
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171 2011-11-17 04:41:34 <OneFixt> nanotube: theymos jgarzik
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181 2011-11-17 04:41:49 <p3N1S> nigger cracker beaner wetback penis slut fuck my asshole shit cunt jap whore vagina retard faggot @$$ ass nigga poof douche bag pussy beaver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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184 2011-11-17 04:42:23 <OneFixt> jgarzik: thanks; could i get ops?
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187 2011-11-17 04:42:48 <OneFixt> are you able to set the flag?
188 2011-11-17 04:42:54 <jgarzik> OneFixt: no
189 2011-11-17 04:43:02 <OneFixt> ok; thanks
190 2011-11-17 04:44:14 <cjdelisle> nice poetry, albeit redundant
191 2011-11-17 04:44:54 <denisx> what is a wetback?
192 2011-11-17 04:45:02 <denisx> the rest I know ;)
193 2011-11-17 04:45:09 <cocktopus> derrogitory term for mexican person
194 2011-11-17 04:45:59 <cjdelisle> @$$ <-- that's the only one that's new to me
195 2011-11-17 04:46:13 <cjdelisle> must be a variable in perl
196 2011-11-17 04:46:30 <cjdelisle> hell, maybe it's a perl script
197 2011-11-17 04:46:45 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: it's invalid in perl
198 2011-11-17 04:46:50 <luke-jr> $$ is the PID
199 2011-11-17 04:47:05 <cjdelisle> ahh, so that's where bash got it from
200 2011-11-17 04:47:21 <luke-jr> you can't dereference a scalar (PID) to an array
201 2011-11-17 04:47:23 <cjdelisle> bad ideas die hard
202 2011-11-17 04:47:24 <luke-jr> list*
203 2011-11-17 04:54:42 <bitcoiner> luke-jr!!!
204 2011-11-17 04:57:01 <cocktopus> help help, #bitcoin-court is being flooded too
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206 2011-11-17 04:59:45 <theymos> Maybe someone should complain to the Freenode staff.
207 2011-11-17 05:00:55 <Graet> they sigh, "bitcoin again"
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209 2011-11-17 05:02:29 <cocktopus> it seems to have stopped for now
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212 2011-11-17 05:21:29 <neofutur> if needed we have freenode staff on #bitcoin-ops fyi
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214 2011-11-17 05:23:28 <Graet> cant join :/
215 2011-11-17 05:23:30 <Graet> :P
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219 2011-11-17 05:34:51 <neofutur> its for bitcoin channel ops Graet
220 2011-11-17 05:35:13 <neofutur> ask to nanotube to be added on the access list is you re op here
221 2011-11-17 05:35:28 <neofutur> SomeoneWeird: you should be on #nitcoin-ops ;)
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224 2011-11-17 05:35:57 <Graet> lol
225 2011-11-17 05:36:03 <SomeoneWeird> invite only neofutur
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228 2011-11-17 05:38:56 <Graet> i have ops in a few bitcoin related chanels neofutur , but i'm guessing thats not what you mean ;)
229 2011-11-17 05:39:52 <neofutur> yes it is
230 2011-11-17 05:40:35 <SomeoneWeird> neofutur, /invite me?
231 2011-11-17 05:40:36 <neofutur> any #bitcoin-* channel can ask to be on #bitcoin-ops
232 2011-11-17 05:41:13 <neofutur> SomeoneWeird: I /invite you but you still need to ask nanotube to be in the access liste and be able to invite yourself
233 2011-11-17 05:41:40 <SomeoneWeird> i know, but i got a bounce so I wont be leaving anytime soon
234 2011-11-17 05:43:23 <Graet> hmm several bitcoin related, but #bitcoin-police is only public #bitcoin- one
235 2011-11-17 05:44:07 <SomeoneWeird> :)
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266 2011-11-17 07:44:01 * Prattler goes  nigger cracker beaner wetback penis slut fuck my asshole shit cunt jap whore vagina retard faggot @$$ ass nigga poof douche bag pussy beaver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
267 2011-11-17 07:44:04 <Prattler> don't ban pls :D
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269 2011-11-17 07:44:51 <lolcat> Prattler: ?
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271 2011-11-17 07:45:22 <Prattler> check out channel logs, hehe
272 2011-11-17 07:49:08 <lolcat> Prattler: ahh
273 2011-11-17 07:49:28 <Prattler> that was funny :D
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306 2011-11-17 09:40:04 <tcatm> molecular: what are they missing on charts.glbse.com?
307 2011-11-17 09:40:35 <tcatm> oh it's broken again
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346 2011-11-17 10:44:39 <molecular> tcatm, it's been broken for some days ;)
347 2011-11-17 10:45:27 <molecular> tcatm, I actually thought "out of coins" meant: I need some donations, if I don't receive any, this will be "offline" ;)
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351 2011-11-17 10:50:06 <tcatm> molecular: no, it's the old 500 error page
352 2011-11-17 10:51:16 <molecular> yeah, people told me
353 2011-11-17 10:51:26 <molecular> tcatm, thanks for fixing
354 2011-11-17 10:51:29 <molecular> you're great!
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357 2011-11-17 11:07:27 <erus`> wow setting up a windows server is as eassy as arch linux :)
358 2011-11-17 11:07:53 <erus`> i havnt set up any services yet tho
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379 2011-11-17 12:25:41 <coderrr> damn, the find a subset that sums to x is actually solvable really fast
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383 2011-11-17 12:28:15 <Mqrius> knapsack problem?
384 2011-11-17 12:28:52 <coderrr> Mqrius, yea
385 2011-11-17 12:29:15 <coderrr> http://www.diku.dk/hjemmesider/ansatte/pisinger/subsum.c taht shit solves it really quickly
386 2011-11-17 12:29:20 <Mqrius> Isn't that supposed to be difficult? :P
387 2011-11-17 12:29:31 <coderrr> i was looking into how feasible it would be to identify multiple btc transactions that sum to a given amt
388 2011-11-17 12:29:38 <coderrr> yea i thot so, but not since '99 i guess
389 2011-11-17 12:29:59 <coderrr> wikipedia only mentions thsi doods paper in passing
390 2011-11-17 12:30:09 <coderrr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subset_sum_problem#cite_note-Pisinger09-2
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394 2011-11-17 12:32:33 <coderrr> Mqrius, i create a random array of 1mill numbers and it a subset that matches any # i throw at it in less than a second
395 2011-11-17 12:33:24 <coderrr> it *finds
396 2011-11-17 12:33:42 <coderrr> s/matches/sums/
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398 2011-11-17 12:35:21 <coderrr> hrm, its probly that the hard part is finding the smallest set
399 2011-11-17 12:36:27 <Mqrius> Heh, yeah
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401 2011-11-17 12:38:18 <Mqrius> the bitcoin problem is different though, you want any set without transaction fees :)
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404 2011-11-17 12:49:39 <epscy> coderrr: why would you want to do that?
405 2011-11-17 12:50:28 <coderrr> epscy, was just thinking about anon stuff, like if you want to pay someone from multiple addresses in multipel tx's as to not link the addresses
406 2011-11-17 12:50:42 <coderrr> if someone knew what the payment amount would be, how hard it would be for them to identify the transactions
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409 2011-11-17 12:56:00 <CIA-89> libbitcoin: Kamil Domanski * r184d9813d529 /README: updated README
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428 2011-11-17 13:20:38 <epscy> oh i see
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462 2011-11-17 14:12:48 <MaxSan> Hey everyone
463 2011-11-17 14:13:07 <MaxSan> anyone point me to some information about communicting with the bitcoin network via a web service?
464 2011-11-17 14:16:37 <[eval]> MaxSan: you should check out etotheipi_'s posts on bitcointalk.org
465 2011-11-17 14:16:43 * roconnor added a block to testnet with version 1435318603
466 2011-11-17 14:17:02 <MaxSan> any link [eval]
467 2011-11-17 14:17:15 <[eval]> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29416.0
468 2011-11-17 14:20:10 <MaxSan> cheers
469 2011-11-17 14:20:26 <[eval]> oh wait... via web service
470 2011-11-17 14:20:32 <[eval]> i missed that part
471 2011-11-17 14:20:46 <[eval]> are you talking about the JSON-RPC interface of bitcoind?
472 2011-11-17 14:21:25 <MaxSan> yeh think thats whats needed
473 2011-11-17 14:22:00 <MaxSan> wanna setup a WCF service between bitcoind and vanitygen to make produce address's on the fly
474 2011-11-17 14:23:37 <[eval]> you're going to have your web service talk to bitcoind and get it to import the addresses generated by vanitygen?
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476 2011-11-17 14:23:53 <[eval]> (and their corresponding keys, i assume)
477 2011-11-17 14:24:08 <MaxSan> naaaw idea is request a new address w/e
478 2011-11-17 14:24:15 <MaxSan> via asp.. which talks to legacy C vanitygen
479 2011-11-17 14:24:30 <MaxSan> but only begins it once bitcoin transaction is logged in the blockchain
480 2011-11-17 14:24:40 <[eval]> oh i see!
481 2011-11-17 14:24:52 <[eval]> you're trying to sell vanitygen addresses
482 2011-11-17 14:25:30 <[eval]> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)
483 2011-11-17 14:25:45 <[eval]> i don't know how to use JSON-RCP in WCF; i haven't used .Net in years (since before WCF existed)
484 2011-11-17 14:26:58 <MaxSan> ahh cheers
485 2011-11-17 14:27:07 <MaxSan> yeh thats the idea.. just a random wee project i came up with on the fly
486 2011-11-17 14:27:21 <MaxSan> not exactly a moneymaker but a service nontheless
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489 2011-11-17 14:28:38 <[eval]> check this out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25804.msg615923#msg615923
490 2011-11-17 14:29:16 <[eval]> i don't know enough about ECC to verify it (and don't have time to look into it at the moment; i'm at work) but you might find it interesting
491 2011-11-17 14:29:48 <MaxSan> ahh yeh i was thinking about implementing that
492 2011-11-17 14:30:19 <MaxSan> well, unreadable priv keys by me
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517 2011-11-17 15:45:19 <roconnor> [eval]: that link doesn't make sense to me
518 2011-11-17 15:45:31 <roconnor> a private and public keys aren't even the same type; they cannot be added
519 2011-11-17 15:45:43 <roconnor> public keys are points on the elliptic curve
520 2011-11-17 15:46:00 <roconnor> private keys are a number modulo N
521 2011-11-17 15:46:06 <roconnor> (where N is the order of the curve)
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523 2011-11-17 15:46:49 <roconnor> [eval]: maybe when he says adds, he means multiply
524 2011-11-17 15:47:23 <roconnor> even still, I don't think the system works
525 2011-11-17 15:47:37 <roconnor> granted I'm not an elliptic curve expert either
526 2011-11-17 15:48:27 <roconnor> Oh, BTCurious's later posts are more clear
527 2011-11-17 15:49:19 <[eval]> roconnor: that's where it started... i've worked with RSA before (on the down-and-dirty level), not ECC, and i haven't had time to learn how ECC works yet.
528 2011-11-17 15:49:46 <[eval]> so i can't tell whether it makes sense or not, but i figured if someone's gonna be generating vanity addresses for someone else...
529 2011-11-17 15:50:00 <[eval]> it looks almost like a version of blinding
530 2011-11-17 15:50:11 <roconnor> [eval]: post #367 looks more readable
531 2011-11-17 15:50:20 <roconnor> I mean looks more plausible
532 2011-11-17 15:51:06 <roconnor> okay I believe it now
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534 2011-11-17 15:51:27 <gmaxwell> roconnor: it works fine, it's not being descrbed clearly there.
535 2011-11-17 15:51:28 <roconnor> heh, this looks like a nice service
536 2011-11-17 15:51:29 <[eval]> i'm reading through the post now
537 2011-11-17 15:51:38 <gmaxwell> roconnor: bytecoin and I have both described doing this before.
538 2011-11-17 15:52:02 <roconnor> gmaxwell: ya, I get what he is saying now
539 2011-11-17 15:52:53 <[eval]> i see how it works now
540 2011-11-17 15:53:01 <[eval]> neato
541 2011-11-17 15:54:25 <gmaxwell> It uses the same property I describe here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=19137.msg239768#msg239768
542 2011-11-17 15:55:29 <gmaxwell> ah, here is where we discussed it for vanity address generation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1387.msg196529#msg196529
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544 2011-11-17 15:57:05 <[eval]> have you guys read... whoever's... analysis of bitcoin's resistance to quantum computing?
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546 2011-11-17 15:57:25 <[eval]> vanity addresses will be one of the first things to go once it's practical
547 2011-11-17 15:58:50 <copumpkin> huh
548 2011-11-17 16:00:19 <gmaxwell> [eval]: The amount of quantum logic required to do a vanity key search would be quite enormous.
549 2011-11-17 16:00:44 <gmaxwell> [eval]: people greatly inflate the capabilities of quantum computing.
550 2011-11-17 16:01:01 <[eval]> not vanity key search
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552 2011-11-17 16:01:33 <[eval]> the analysis basically said that because we're double-hashing the public key to make an address, the address should be safe from quantum computers finding the private key
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554 2011-11-17 16:01:49 <copumpkin> o.O
555 2011-11-17 16:01:55 <[eval]> but as soon as the public key is broadcast to the network, redeeming the transaction to the address, a quantum computer could find the private key
556 2011-11-17 16:02:04 <copumpkin> [eval]: how would it do that?
557 2011-11-17 16:02:08 <[eval]> so you can only use an address once (or at least redeem the address once)
558 2011-11-17 16:02:10 <gmaxwell> Until you spend.
559 2011-11-17 16:02:14 <[eval]> right
560 2011-11-17 16:02:25 <gmaxwell> Yes, I posted about that too. Were you talking about my post?
561 2011-11-17 16:02:30 <gmaxwell> :)
562 2011-11-17 16:02:31 <[eval]> i guess so!
563 2011-11-17 16:02:33 <[eval]> :D
564 2011-11-17 16:02:35 <gmaxwell> But I see what you're saying.
565 2011-11-17 16:02:41 <[eval]> my first thought was "vanity addresses go bye-bye"
566 2011-11-17 16:02:46 <[eval]> single-use addresses only
567 2011-11-17 16:02:57 <gmaxwell> Yea, you wouldn't want persistant addresses if there were attackers with QCs.
568 2011-11-17 16:03:16 * [eval] nods
569 2011-11-17 16:03:19 <copumpkin> link to this analysis?
570 2011-11-17 16:03:43 <[eval]> i get confused as to who posts what... i remember content more than attribution, unfortunately... apologies to you, gmaxwell, for not remembering
571 2011-11-17 16:03:45 <gmaxwell> copumpkin: there isn't much analysis required.
572 2011-11-17 16:04:05 <gmaxwell> copumpkin: it's just the observation that no ecc public key is disclosed until you spend from an address.
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574 2011-11-17 16:04:46 <gmaxwell> copumpkin: so bitcoin has some resistance to ecc compromises, because if you use addresses just once an attacker would have to compromise your key in the time between when you spend from it and when that spend is mined.
575 2011-11-17 16:05:02 <copumpkin> ah, okay
576 2011-11-17 16:05:08 <copumpkin> you could thus receive multiple times with an address
577 2011-11-17 16:05:12 <copumpkin> as long as you don't spend multiple times
578 2011-11-17 16:05:16 <gmaxwell> Yes.
579 2011-11-17 16:05:41 <etotheipi_>  this is what might also save BTC if no changes are made to it before quantum computing becomes reality
580 2011-11-17 16:06:02 <etotheipi_> quantum computing can compute your private key from your public key... but not if it doesn't have you public key
581 2011-11-17 16:06:02 <copumpkin> I doubt that's happening any time soon, anyway :)
582 2011-11-17 16:06:18 <copumpkin> regular computing can compute your private key from your public key, too :D
583 2011-11-17 16:06:31 <etotheipi_> copumpkin, not before the sun runs out of energy
584 2011-11-17 16:06:31 <gmaxwell> yea, to break ecc you don't just need a real quantum computer, you need a rather large one.
585 2011-11-17 16:06:35 <copumpkin> anyway, we should switch to lamport signatures
586 2011-11-17 16:06:53 <gmaxwell> copumpkin: I proposed that.. but the keys are really big. :(
587 2011-11-17 16:06:53 <copumpkin> clearly the easy answer ;)
588 2011-11-17 16:07:39 <copumpkin> yeah
589 2011-11-17 16:07:42 <gmaxwell> though with pruning and the fact that you use a hash of the key... it's not completely terrible.
590 2011-11-17 16:07:48 <gmaxwell> but not good either.
591 2011-11-17 16:07:51 <etotheipi_> interesting... I'm not actually familiar with Lamport sigs... I guess I'll be reading about it tonight :)
592 2011-11-17 16:07:53 <gmaxwell> <3 lamport signatures.
593 2011-11-17 16:07:54 <copumpkin> clearly the answer there is to run it through lzma ;)
594 2011-11-17 16:08:01 * copumpkin is a l33t computer scientist
595 2011-11-17 16:08:37 <gmaxwell> They're the only kind of signature that you can explain to a moron and have them understand it and trust it for the correct reasons. They're also strong against quantum computers.
596 2011-11-17 16:08:52 <Eliel> hmm? I thought I read somewhere that ECC cryptography is not vulnerable to quantum computing
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598 2011-11-17 16:09:13 <gmaxwell> Eliel: dunno where you read that, but it's not true.
599 2011-11-17 16:09:20 <etotheipi_> *most* asymmetric encryptions are threatened by QC
600 2011-11-17 16:09:35 <etotheipi_> unfortunately, it's all the ones that are in user everywhere in the world right now
601 2011-11-17 16:09:55 <gmaxwell> Though we use fairly large ecc... and you're really need an insanely large quantum computer to attack it, there may turn out to be physical limits that make such machines impossible.
602 2011-11-17 16:10:15 <etotheipi_> yeah, we'll have *plenty* of time to prepare...
603 2011-11-17 16:10:35 <etotheipi_> if anyone's interested, I gave an hour-long seminar on QCs... but it's very math-y
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605 2011-11-17 16:12:32 <etotheipi_> actually, it's more like 2 hours:  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1139081/QC_Lecture_Slides.pdf
606 2011-11-17 16:13:03 <etotheipi_> either way, if anyone wanted to learn about QCs, that presentation gives you all the intro math, and then starts explaining some of the basic QC algorithms
607 2011-11-17 16:13:42 <nanotube> what was that about ops and stuff?
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622 2011-11-17 16:37:54 <cocktopus> nanotube, SomeoneWeird wants access to #bitcoin-ops
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624 2011-11-17 16:38:33 <Graet> mm i think he was offered and i wanted :P
625 2011-11-17 16:39:09 <cocktopus> oh yeah (it was last night nad i forgot)
626 2011-11-17 16:41:24 <Graet> :)
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635 2011-11-17 17:28:40 <sipa> gavinandresen: regarding rc6... you mean restoring the wallet backup while bitcoin is running?
636 2011-11-17 17:29:06 <gavinandresen> sipa:  no.  Use case is:
637 2011-11-17 17:29:15 <gavinandresen> User decides to encrypt their wallet.  So they do.
638 2011-11-17 17:29:38 <gavinandresen> Bitcoin encrypts and then shuts down.  They then backup the encrypted wallet (good time to do that, right?).
639 2011-11-17 17:29:57 <gavinandresen> ... and are then extremely unhappy later when they restore from that backup.
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641 2011-11-17 17:30:36 * Prattler is so glad he could kill RC5, wheeee :)
642 2011-11-17 17:30:59 <sipa> gavinandresen: haven't tested it, but what's the problem with that?
643 2011-11-17 17:31:24 <gavinandresen> The keypool isn't regenerated until you request a new key from the encrypted wallet.
644 2011-11-17 17:31:38 <sipa> ow, i believed it was
645 2011-11-17 17:33:40 <gavinandresen> There is still an issue with upgrading previously-encrypted wallets, though-- that is done at startup, before we have a wallet passphrase
646 2011-11-17 17:33:53 <gavinandresen> ... and without a wallet passphrase we can't generate new keypool keys
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648 2011-11-17 17:35:44 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: won't your solution mean the NEW keys get left UNENCRYPTED on disk?
649 2011-11-17 17:36:36 <luke-jr> perhaps the best solution is to require, or at least prompt for, opening the wallet after the restart
650 2011-11-17 17:36:42 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: No; the steps are:  Invalidate old keypool in old wallet.  Write new keyppol unencypted to old wallet.  Rewrite entire wallet, encrypted.
651 2011-11-17 17:37:02 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: that puts new keypool on disk unencrypted
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653 2011-11-17 17:37:31 <gavinandresen> sorry, mis-typed--  write new keypool ENCRYPTED to old wallet
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656 2011-11-17 17:39:54 <sipa> when doing rewriting on upgrade, you'd only want the flush the keys from the keypool that were available before the wallet for encrypted
657 2011-11-17 17:40:08 <sipa> and if there are no such keys left, the harm is already done anyway
658 2011-11-17 17:40:17 <sipa> s/for/got/
659 2011-11-17 17:40:27 <gmaxwell> Can you really tell?
660 2011-11-17 17:40:29 <sipa> unfortunately, you don't know that
661 2011-11-17 17:40:46 <gmaxwell> yea.. it's not like flushing the keypool is a costly operation in any case.
662 2011-11-17 17:44:34 <sipa> and in the average case, you'd still want most of the keypool to be flushed
663 2011-11-17 17:44:38 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: oh ok, then just have the "omg your wallet is unsafe" step require the passphrase, and just quit unchanged until they give it? :p
664 2011-11-17 17:44:58 <sipa> so i guess the only real solution is indeed to ask for opening the wallet upon upgrade
665 2011-11-17 17:45:09 <sipa> but what to do in bitcoind? just not rewrite?
666 2011-11-17 17:45:17 <luke-jr> ew
667 2011-11-17 17:45:33 <sipa> you cannot "ask" for a passphrase there
668 2011-11-17 17:45:42 <luke-jr> how about not fork, and do stdio?
669 2011-11-17 17:45:52 <luke-jr> ie, until it's fixed, bitcoind becomes a CLI app
670 2011-11-17 17:46:01 <sipa> and have all automated scripts that depend on it fail?
671 2011-11-17 17:46:05 <luke-jr> yes
672 2011-11-17 17:46:12 <luke-jr> that's already the case
673 2011-11-17 17:46:20 <luke-jr> since it would otherwise just quit after upgrading
674 2011-11-17 17:46:28 <sipa> what about making backupwallet require opening the wallet
675 2011-11-17 17:46:29 <luke-jr> actually
676 2011-11-17 17:46:35 <sipa> and do the rewriting there
677 2011-11-17 17:46:42 <luke-jr> bitcoind users aren't likely to do the "backup immediately after rewrite" thing anyway
678 2011-11-17 17:46:47 <sipa> indeed
679 2011-11-17 17:46:59 <luke-jr> backupwallet idea is good too
680 2011-11-17 17:47:20 <luke-jr> if it hasn't got a valid keypool, refuse to backup until it's opened?
681 2011-11-17 17:47:27 <sipa> indeed
682 2011-11-17 17:47:31 <luke-jr> actually
683 2011-11-17 17:47:39 <luke-jr> breakign automated backups is the LAST thing we want to do IMO
684 2011-11-17 17:48:11 <sipa> there are three concerns: breaking automated backups, breaking functioning wallet, breaking security
685 2011-11-17 17:48:34 <sipa> you will need to break one
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687 2011-11-17 17:49:22 <gavinandresen> If people read the release notes, and backup AFTER requesting their first key after upgrading a previously-encrypted wallet, then they'll be OK.
688 2011-11-17 17:49:47 <sipa> so for bitcoind, you'd go for just flushing without refilling?
689 2011-11-17 17:50:14 <sipa> or only rewrite at the point where the first new key is requested?
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691 2011-11-17 17:51:54 <gavinandresen> rewriting means a shutdown, so rewriting at first key request would be a nightmare to test
692 2011-11-17 17:52:24 <sipa> do we really need to shutdown bitcoind?
693 2011-11-17 17:52:55 <sipa> can't you do something like make the shutdown function call init/main/... again?
694 2011-11-17 17:52:58 <gavinandresen> More testing is welcome, but in my testing if a shutdown wasn't done immediately after rewriting then old keys could end up unencrypted in the new wallet.dat
695 2011-11-17 17:53:55 <gavinandresen> sipa:  be my guest.  The shutdown code is a tangled nightmare, I doubt a soft restart can be done without a very large refactoring
696 2011-11-17 17:55:01 <jgarzik> indeed... that would be a pain
697 2011-11-17 17:55:07 <luke-jr> sanest approach to soft restart right now is exec()
698 2011-11-17 17:55:13 <luke-jr> which seems to have other psosible issues
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708 2011-11-17 18:07:39 <sipa> gavinandresen: let's try :)
709 2011-11-17 18:08:42 <gavinandresen> let's try what?  restarting?  go for it, I'm busy debugging ugly plan B....
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714 2011-11-17 18:21:20 <JFK911> rain rain :(
715 2011-11-17 18:25:31 <sipa> there is a CNetCleanup that is not used anywhere? :S
716 2011-11-17 18:26:07 <sipa> oh, just a single instance that is destroyed at shutdown
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721 2011-11-17 18:33:41 * luke-jr notes that any major refactoring or cleanup is out of scope for 0.4.x
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728 2011-11-17 18:41:14 <gavinandresen> sipa, I'm about to throw my keyboard out the window-- a simple little routine to recreate the keypool after encryption is locking up deep in the bowels of CWallet/CEncryptedKeyStore/CKeystore, and I can't figure out why. Could you give it a try?
729 2011-11-17 18:50:18 <sipa> gavinandresen: i hope to have restart working soon, and then i'm off for a bit
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748 2011-11-17 19:17:03 <gavinandresen> ... figured it out...
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764 2011-11-17 19:37:02 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r1c15f88 / (src/db.cpp src/db.h src/init.cpp src/wallet.cpp): Only remove database log files on shutdown after wallet encryption/rewrite - http://git.io/2p5rfA
765 2011-11-17 19:37:04 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r37971fc / (src/wallet.cpp src/wallet.h): Create new keypool for newly encrypted wallets. - http://git.io/WmNeRg
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773 2011-11-17 19:51:02 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen 0.4.x * r90de05e88ecc bitcoind-stable/src/ (wallet.cpp wallet.h): Create new keypool for newly encrypted wallets.
774 2011-11-17 19:51:04 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen 0.4.x * rc4a3bf9e552f bitcoind-stable/src/ (db.cpp db.h init.cpp wallet.cpp): Only remove database log files on shutdown after wallet encryption/rewrite
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